From douglas at andrepontprinting.com Wed Jun 13 11:51:38 2007 From: douglas at andrepontprinting.com (Douglas Sandoz) Date: Wed Jun 13 11:52:54 2007 Subject: [PrintShare] Unique form numbering/previous job look up Message-ID: <001701c7add2$ba822fe0$0f01a8c0@douglas> Does anyone have a unique system for numbering forms they are typesetting for customers along with a system for organizing them? Years ago i started labeling business forms as follows: For new forms: Form AP032804-348 AP for Andrepont Printing followed by the date and time. (we sometimes get 2 or 3 forms in a single day for the same customer, the time makes them different) If it was reordered with changes then it would be modified like this, Form AP032804-348-R0605 The R0605 means it was revised in June of 2005 20 years ago we had a book with form numbers in it that had to be kept up. The above system eliminated the book. Since then our art dept. started to put the job/invoice number (currently a 5 digit number) next to the left of my form number from above. Every time a job is reordered they are changing the invoice numbers AND my date. I am hoping someone has a better way than this. Please share if you do. Douglas Sandoz Andrepont Printing Opelousas, Louisiana From jhassel at raisedimageinc.com Wed Jun 13 13:00:56 2007 From: jhassel at raisedimageinc.com (Julie Hassel) Date: Wed Jun 13 12:01:37 2007 Subject: [PrintShare] Disposable cleaning rags Message-ID: Is anyone using disposable rags to clean your presses with good results? We are looking at alternatives to cloth rags due to continual price increases and bad service. Any recommendations or warnings would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Julie Hassel Raised Image, Inc. 3744 Industry Ave, Ste 404 Lakewood, CA 90712 Phone: (562) 426-2760 Fax: (562) 426-2798 From john at printingplusinc.com Wed Jun 13 12:29:50 2007 From: john at printingplusinc.com (John Steffes) Date: Wed Jun 13 12:30:37 2007 Subject: [PrintShare] Disposable cleaning rags In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070613162952.VEYK24553.ibm63aec.bellsouth.net@Exec.printingplusinc.com> As small users we just buy the red shop towels from an auto parts store or Home Depot or Costco and dispose of them after use. At 01:00 PM 6/13/2007, you wrote: >*** This is a PrintShare List Message *** > >Is anyone using disposable rags to clean your presses with good results? We >are looking at alternatives to cloth rags due to continual price increases >and bad service. > >Any recommendations or warnings would be appreciated. > >Thanks in advance, > >Julie Hassel > >Raised Image, Inc. >3744 Industry Ave, Ste 404 >Lakewood, CA 90712 >Phone: (562) 426-2760 >Fax: (562) 426-2798 > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintShare Discussion List >Post: PrintShare@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printshare John Steffes Printing Plus Delray Beach, FL 561-272-3013 From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Wed Jun 13 12:31:53 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Wed Jun 13 12:33:42 2007 Subject: [PrintShare] Unique form numbering/previous job look up In-Reply-To: <20070613160005.455A58D2FD8@rb.enter.net> References: <20070613160005.455A58D2FD8@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <03642cb739f74838caedf884d63bb99a@sheergraphics.com> We do not file job bags by date, nor by invoice number, nor customer, nor by computer generated job number. Doing so will force you to continually refer back to a previous issue's job bag or invoice. We keep everything in ONE place, we never have to search through a multitude of computer generated/numbered files, folders and accounting files. It's all searched by this unique, constant, permanent 'ID' number. Every item we print has a permanent ID number. A totally new item, never printed before, will require a new ID number. This ID number is separate from the estimating system's computer generated 'Job Number'. Each issue and re-issue of an item still retains this permanent ID, although each issue has a new computer generated 'Job Number'. In PrintPoint, we search for job ID number by Customer/ Item Description. This ID number is on the plate bag, on the art files in the pre-press computers, on previous issues of the job, on the purchase orders related to a particular job, and on the accounting history files. In the pre-press department's server, we file by the same Customer/ ID number. Within one customer's folder will be found folders for logos and other customer related art files. Also in the one customer's folder are subfolders, labelled with this ID number, containing art files pertaining to that job only. By this permanent ID number, we find jobs and related art files in the pre-press computers, find the estimates and job tickets, find the costs and selling prices in our accounting system, and find the plate bags in our storage racks. In 28 years this permanent ID method has made finding all job related information very easy, and has virtually eliminated the printing of an outdated version. (That only happened when the plate bag, upon a repeat job with changes, was not purged of outdated film and plates.) To find a particular file: Customer Sort by Item Description e.g letterhead Job Name e.g. 1234 L/H Chicago Address The plate bag, the invoice, and all the job specific artwork files will always have the prefix '1234', which is this same permanent ID number. Within the 'Customer' folder in our artwork file server, there will be a folder with all their logos, all their templates, and all their individual job files. Individual job files will typically have their own sub-folder named '1234 L/H Chicago Address' and intermediate working files, stored in the sub-folder, always start with this permanent number style '1234'. Everything, but everything revolves around this permanent ID number. It also helps us consistently price the same product sold to different customers for different perceived values. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more > Does anyone have a unique system for numbering forms they are > typesetting > for customers along with a system for organizing them? > > Years ago i started labeling business forms as follows: > > For new forms: > > Form AP032804-348 > > AP for Andrepont Printing followed by the date and time. (we sometimes > get 2 > or 3 forms in a single day for the same customer, the time makes them > different) > > If it was reordered with changes then it would be modified like this, > > Form AP032804-348-R0605 > > The R0605 means it was revised in June of 2005 > > > 20 years ago we had a book with form numbers in it that had to be kept > up. > The above system eliminated the book. > > > Since then our art dept. started to put the job/invoice number > (currently a > 5 digit number) next to the left of my form number from above. Every > time a > job is reordered they are changing the invoice numbers AND my date. > > > I am hoping someone has a better way than this. Please share if you do. > > Douglas Sandoz From douglas at andrepontprinting.com Thu Jun 14 09:04:57 2007 From: douglas at andrepontprinting.com (Douglas Sandoz) Date: Thu Jun 14 09:06:12 2007 Subject: [PrintShare] Unique form numbering/previous job look up References: <20070613160005.455A58D2FD8@rb.enter.net> <03642cb739f74838caedf884d63bb99a@sheergraphics.com> Message-ID: <004901c7ae84$9c704cf0$0f01a8c0@douglas> simon, interesting system. does this mean your prepress department overwrites each version every time there is a revision? what happens when a customer wants to revert to an older version of a form (say from 3 years ago) that has been revised a couple of times. doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Sheers" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [PrintShare] Unique form numbering/previous job look up > *** This is a PrintShare List Message *** > > We do not file job bags by date, nor by invoice number, nor customer, > nor by computer generated job number. Doing so will force you to > continually refer back to a previous issue's job bag or invoice. We > keep everything in ONE place, we never have to search through a > multitude of computer generated/numbered files, folders and accounting > files. It's all searched by this unique, constant, permanent 'ID' > number. > > Every item we print has a permanent ID number. A totally new item, > never printed before, will require a new ID number. This ID number is > separate from the estimating system's computer generated 'Job Number'. > Each issue and re-issue of an item still retains this permanent ID, > although each issue has a new computer generated 'Job Number'. > > In PrintPoint, we search for job ID number by Customer/ Item > Description. This ID number is on the plate bag, on the art files in > the pre-press computers, on previous issues of the job, on the purchase > orders related to a particular job, and on the accounting history > files. In the pre-press department's server, we file by the same > Customer/ ID number. Within one customer's folder will be found folders > for logos and other customer related art files. Also in the one > customer's folder are subfolders, labelled with this ID number, > containing art files pertaining to that job only. > > By this permanent ID number, we find jobs and related art files in the > pre-press computers, find the estimates and job tickets, find the costs > and selling prices in our accounting system, and find the plate bags in > our storage racks. > > In 28 years this permanent ID method has made finding all job related > information very easy, and has virtually eliminated the printing of an > outdated version. (That only happened when the plate bag, upon a repeat > job with changes, was not purged of outdated film and plates.) > > To find a particular file: > Customer > Sort by Item Description e.g letterhead > Job Name e.g. 1234 L/H Chicago Address > > The plate bag, the invoice, and all the job specific artwork files will > always have the prefix '1234', which is this same permanent ID number. > > Within the 'Customer' folder in our artwork file server, there will be > a folder with all their logos, all their templates, and all their > individual job files. Individual job files will typically have their > own sub-folder named '1234 L/H Chicago Address' and intermediate > working files, stored in the sub-folder, always start with this > permanent number style '1234'. > > Everything, but everything revolves around this permanent ID number. It > also helps us consistently price the same product sold to different > customers for different perceived values. > > > Please reply to Simon Sheers at: > > > Sheer Graphics Inc. > 47 Chestnut Avenue, > Westmont, IL 60559-1127 > Tel: (630) 654-4422 > > Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more > > > > Does anyone have a unique system for numbering forms they are > > typesetting > > for customers along with a system for organizing them? > > > > Years ago i started labeling business forms as follows: > > > > For new forms: > > > > Form AP032804-348 > > > > AP for Andrepont Printing followed by the date and time. (we sometimes > > get 2 > > or 3 forms in a single day for the same customer, the time makes them > > different) > > > > If it was reordered with changes then it would be modified like this, > > > > Form AP032804-348-R0605 > > > > The R0605 means it was revised in June of 2005 > > > > > > 20 years ago we had a book with form numbers in it that had to be kept > > up. > > The above system eliminated the book. > > > > > > Since then our art dept. started to put the job/invoice number > > (currently a > > 5 digit number) next to the left of my form number from above. Every > > time a > > job is reordered they are changing the invoice numbers AND my date. > > > > > > I am hoping someone has a better way than this. Please share if you do. > > > > Douglas Sandoz > _______________________________________________ > PrintShare Discussion List > Post: PrintShare@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printshare > > From ernlang at planttel.net Thu Jun 14 10:18:27 2007 From: ernlang at planttel.net (Ernest Lang) Date: Thu Jun 14 10:19:02 2007 Subject: [PrintShare] Disposable cleaning rags References: Message-ID: <46714E33.9030401@planttel.net> Julie Hassel wrote: >*** This is a PrintShare List Message *** > >Is anyone using disposable rags to clean your presses with good results? We >are looking at alternatives to cloth rags due to continual price increases >and bad service. > > > > We use rags from this web site: www.raglady.com Phone 1-866-724-7787 Item # WCA25-54B - premium 100% cotton knit rags, 25 pound case @ $63.75 - shippping included A little pricy but I have not been able to find anything locally. Up to several years ago there was a local business that made cotton fabric material and we could buy from them. They closed down and moved their process overseas. -- ================================ Ernest R. Lang Lang Printing Co. 101 3rd St. E. Tifton, GA 31794 Phone 229.382.4264 Fax 229.387.0087 Email: ernlang@planttel.net ================================ From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu Jun 14 17:28:53 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu Jun 14 17:30:43 2007 Subject: [PrintShare] Unique form numbering/previous job look up In-Reply-To: <20070614160004.BB6B48D8D1E@rb.enter.net> References: <20070614160004.BB6B48D8D1E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: No, we do not overwrite computer files. We keep older computer files in dated folders, within those folders each revision is kept. Computer space is cheap theses days! Only the film/ plate bags are purged of old plates and films. Older printed samples MIGHT be kept in film/ plate bags. In this way a pressman cannot pick up an outdated set of film and plate. Thanks for reading about our system, it's easier to show in person than describe! > simon, > interesting system. does this mean your prepress department overwrites > each > version every time there is a revision? what happens when a customer > wants > to revert to an older version of a form (say from 3 years ago) that > has been > revised a couple of times. > > doug Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu Jun 14 17:33:03 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu Jun 14 17:34:54 2007 Subject: [PrintShare] Disposable cleaning rags In-Reply-To: <20070614160004.BB6B48D8D1E@rb.enter.net> References: <20070614160004.BB6B48D8D1E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <6c644bdea9e28eecef2e69cd9e24ee91@sheergraphics.com> We use Nubtex Shop Cloths Style #313, Blue 13" x 13" 375 cloths per case @$51.00/case. Higher price, lower cost - they last a long time. >> Is anyone using disposable rags to clean your presses with good >> results? We >> are looking at alternatives to cloth rags due to continual price >> increases >> and bad service. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From John at mpcny.com Thu Jun 14 17:43:22 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Thu Jun 14 17:43:25 2007 Subject: [PrintShare] Disposable cleaning rags In-Reply-To: <6c644bdea9e28eecef2e69cd9e24ee91@sheergraphics.com> References: <20070614160004.BB6B48D8D1E@rb.enter.net> <6c644bdea9e28eecef2e69cd9e24ee91@sheergraphics.com> Message-ID: <000301c7aecd$0828d190$187a74b0$@com> http://www.ccpind.com/products/non_woven_prematex.aspx Best I have found and MFG direct. Low lint, a 50lb case is in under $200. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/848 - Release Date: 6/13/2007 12:50 PM From gptype at gillprintandgraphics.com Fri Jun 15 10:27:13 2007 From: gptype at gillprintandgraphics.com (Graphics Department) Date: Fri Jun 15 10:27:14 2007 Subject: [PrintShare] Unique form numbering/previous job look up References: <20070614160004.BB6B48D8D1E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <003301c7af59$447bc260$8609a8c0@tiger> How do you know when it's time to purge the old files? We have limited filing space, the number updating each time (Print Leader) keeps all current files at the front. This ends up leaving you a section of "old" files at the back that we periodically go through and toss depending on company being out of business, or one time never repeated order etc. The graphics files stay (if there are any) so if a re-order comes through all that is needed is pricing, which after a couple years needs to be redone anyway. Your system sounds interesting, and safer in some ways, but we would absolutely need some sort of older-file purging capability, if you have time to explain how you handle that, it's much appreciated. Thanks, Heather Bell GillPrint and Graphics Gretna, LA (504) 392-9600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Sheers" To: Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [PrintShare] Unique form numbering/previous job look up > *** This is a PrintShare List Message *** > > No, we do not overwrite computer files. We keep older computer files in > dated folders, within those folders each revision is kept. Computer space > is cheap theses days! Only the film/ plate bags are purged of old plates > and films. Older printed samples MIGHT be kept in film/ plate bags. > > In this way a pressman cannot pick up an outdated set of film and plate. > > Thanks for reading about our system, it's easier to show in person than > describe! > >> simon, >> interesting system. does this mean your prepress department overwrites >> each >> version every time there is a revision? what happens when a customer >> wants >> to revert to an older version of a form (say from 3 years ago) that has >> been >> revised a couple of times. >> >> doug > > Please reply to Simon Sheers at: > > > Sheer Graphics Inc. > 47 Chestnut Avenue, > Westmont, IL 60559-1127 > Tel: (630) 654-4422 > > Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more > _______________________________________________ > PrintShare Discussion List > Post: PrintShare@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printshare > > From michael at herculespress.com Fri Jun 15 12:59:54 2007 From: michael at herculespress.com (Michael Macrides) Date: Fri Jun 15 13:00:03 2007 Subject: [PrintShare] Disposable rags? In-Reply-To: <20070615160003.D1FF78DEF6B@rb.enter.net> References: <20070615160003.D1FF78DEF6B@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: So once you purchase and use these rags, how does everyone dispose of them? Michael Macrides Hercules Press > Send PrintShare mailing list submissions to > printshare@printweb.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printshare > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > printshare-request@printweb.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > printshare-owner@printweb.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of PrintShare digest..." > > > *** This is a PrintShare List Digest *** > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Unique form numbering/previous job look up (Simon Sheers) > 2. Re: Disposable cleaning rags (Simon Sheers) > 3. RE: Disposable cleaning rags (John Henry) > 4. Re: Unique form numbering/previous job look up > (Graphics Department) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:28:53 -0500 > From: Simon Sheers > Subject: Re: [PrintShare] Unique form numbering/previous job look up > To: printshare@printweb.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > No, we do not overwrite computer files. We keep older computer > files in > dated folders, within those folders each revision is kept. Computer > space is cheap theses days! Only the film/ plate bags are purged of > old > plates and films. Older printed samples MIGHT be kept in film/ plate > bags. > > In this way a pressman cannot pick up an outdated set of film and > plate. > > Thanks for reading about our system, it's easier to show in person > than > describe! > >> simon, >> interesting system. does this mean your prepress department >> overwrites >> each >> version every time there is a revision? what happens when a customer >> wants >> to revert to an older version of a form (say from 3 years ago) that >> has been >> revised a couple of times. >> >> doug > > Please reply to Simon Sheers at: > > > Sheer Graphics Inc. > 47 Chestnut Avenue, > Westmont, IL 60559-1127 > Tel: (630) 654-4422 > > Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:33:03 -0500 > From: Simon Sheers > Subject: Re: [PrintShare] Disposable cleaning rags > To: printshare@printweb.org > Message-ID: <6c644bdea9e28eecef2e69cd9e24ee91@sheergraphics.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > We use Nubtex Shop Cloths Style #313, Blue 13" x 13" 375 cloths per > case @$51.00/case. Higher price, lower cost - they last a long time. > > > >>> Is anyone using disposable rags to clean your presses with good >>> results? We >>> are looking at alternatives to cloth rags due to continual price >>> increases >>> and bad service. > > Please reply to Simon Sheers at: > > > Sheer Graphics Inc. > 47 Chestnut Avenue, > Westmont, IL 60559-1127 > Tel: (630) 654-4422 > > Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:43:22 -0400 > From: "John Henry" > Subject: RE: [PrintShare] Disposable cleaning rags > To: "'Discussion List for the Printing Industry'" > > Message-ID: <000301c7aecd$0828d190$187a74b0$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" > > http://www.ccpind.com/products/non_woven_prematex.aspx > > Best I have found and MFG direct. Low lint, a 50lb case is in under > $200. > > > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > 125-129 East First Street > Oswego, New York 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 Fax > www.mpcny.com > John@mpcny.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/848 - Release Date: > 6/13/2007 > 12:50 PM > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:27:13 -0500 > From: "Graphics Department" > Subject: Re: [PrintShare] Unique form numbering/previous job look up > To: "Discussion List for the Printing Industry" > > Message-ID: <003301c7af59$447bc260$8609a8c0@tiger> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > How do you know when it's time to purge the old files? We have limited > filing space, the number updating each time (Print Leader) keeps > all current > files at the front. This ends up leaving you a section of "old" > files at the > back that we periodically go through and toss depending on company > being out > of business, or one time never repeated order etc. The graphics > files stay > (if there are any) so if a re-order comes through all that is > needed is > pricing, which after a couple years needs to be redone anyway. Your > system > sounds interesting, and safer in some ways, but we would absolutely > need > some sort of older-file purging capability, if you have time to > explain how > you handle that, it's much appreciated. > Thanks, > Heather Bell > GillPrint and Graphics > Gretna, LA > (504) 392-9600 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Simon Sheers" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:28 PM > Subject: Re: [PrintShare] Unique form numbering/previous job look up > > >> *** This is a PrintShare List Message *** >> >> No, we do not overwrite computer files. We keep older computer >> files in >> dated folders, within those folders each revision is kept. >> Computer space >> is cheap theses days! Only the film/ plate bags are purged of old >> plates >> and films. Older printed samples MIGHT be kept in film/ plate bags. >> >> In this way a pressman cannot pick up an outdated set of film and >> plate. >> >> Thanks for reading about our system, it's easier to show in person >> than >> describe! >> >>> simon, >>> interesting system. does this mean your prepress department >>> overwrites >>> each >>> version every time there is a revision? what happens when a customer >>> wants >>> to revert to an older version of a form (say from 3 years ago) >>> that has >>> been >>> revised a couple of times. >>> >>> doug >> >> Please reply to Simon Sheers at: >> >> >> Sheer Graphics Inc. >> 47 Chestnut Avenue, >> Westmont, IL 60559-1127 >> Tel: (630) 654-4422 >> >> Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintShare Discussion List >> Post: PrintShare@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printshare >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintShare Discussion List > Post: PrintShare@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printshare > > > > End of PrintShare Digest, Vol 21, Issue 3 > ***************************************** From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Fri Jun 15 16:13:00 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Fri Jun 15 16:14:52 2007 Subject: [PrintShare] Unique form numbering/previous job look up In-Reply-To: <20070615160003.C492B8DEF69@rb.enter.net> References: <20070615160003.C492B8DEF69@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: > How do you know when it's time to purge the old files? We have limited > filing space, the number updating each time (Print Leader) keeps all > current files at the front. This ends up leaving you a section of > "old" files at the back that we periodically go through and toss > depending on company being out of business, or one time never repeated > order etc. Print management computer files are kept indefinitely. If too many too handle, then save a complete copy off site, then purge the inhouse copy of outdated files. This compacted data file will be the current file for daily use. Our data file is only a few hundred Mb after 8 years. > The graphics files stay (if there are any) so if a re-order comes > through all that is needed is pricing, which after a couple years > needs to be redone anyway. Your system sounds interesting, and safer > in some ways, but we would absolutely need some sort of older-file > purging capability, if you have time to explain how you handle that, > it's much appreciated. The purging is of the chipboard plate/film bags. Upon a re-order, the bag is emptied of out-of-date film and plates prior to being passed to pre-press or pressroom. Periodically, we trash any film/plate bag which job has not rerun for some years from the storage racks. The electronic files, however, remain. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From gptype at gillprintandgraphics.com Fri Jun 15 16:42:12 2007 From: gptype at gillprintandgraphics.com (Graphics Department) Date: Fri Jun 15 16:42:09 2007 Subject: [PrintShare] Unique form numbering/previous job look up References: <20070615160003.C492B8DEF69@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <000e01c7af8d$a6f6a520$8609a8c0@tiger> Thanks for the info. Heather, GillPrint 504-392-9600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Sheers" To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [PrintShare] Unique form numbering/previous job look up > *** This is a PrintShare List Message *** > >> How do you know when it's time to purge the old files? We have limited >> filing space, the number updating each time (Print Leader) keeps all >> current files at the front. This ends up leaving you a section of >> "old" files at the back that we periodically go through and toss >> depending on company being out of business, or one time never repeated >> order etc. > Print management computer files are kept indefinitely. If too many too > handle, then save a complete copy off site, then purge the inhouse copy > of outdated files. This compacted data file will be the current file > for daily use. Our data file is only a few hundred Mb after 8 years. > >> The graphics files stay (if there are any) so if a re-order comes >> through all that is needed is pricing, which after a couple years >> needs to be redone anyway. Your system sounds interesting, and safer >> in some ways, but we would absolutely need some sort of older-file >> purging capability, if you have time to explain how you handle that, >> it's much appreciated. > The purging is of the chipboard plate/film bags. Upon a re-order, the > bag is emptied of out-of-date film and plates prior to being passed to > pre-press or pressroom. Periodically, we trash any film/plate bag which > job has not rerun for some years from the storage racks. The electronic > files, however, remain. > > Please reply to Simon Sheers at: > > > Sheer Graphics Inc. > 47 Chestnut Avenue, > Westmont, IL 60559-1127 > Tel: (630) 654-4422 > > Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more > _______________________________________________ > PrintShare Discussion List > Post: PrintShare@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printshare > > From jeff at hprinting.biz Fri Jun 22 08:41:52 2007 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Fri Jun 22 08:41:43 2007 Subject: [PrintShare] Mac Fonts Message-ID: <20070622124139.26657.9629@hm-pop1.solinus.com> We received two Mac InDesign files from a fairly new broker yesterday. It was designed by there customer who knows what they are doing and included the fonts. We tried opening it on our new Intel processor Mac and can't load all the fonts. I'm not very comfortable with Macs and fonts so I don't know for sure that all parts of the fonts are there. We downloaded a demo of suitcase and still can't get all the fonts to work. So I took it to my 4 year old Imac. It was able to load some of the fonts so we could print the one file, but the other one still doesn't work. We talked to Apple tech support. They were saying the some fonts won't work on the Intel processor that work on the old processor. Is that true? I'm hesitant to call my customer since they didn't design it and I don't want to look dumb in case it is our fault. Any suggestions on making fonts work on Macs? Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From goldcoastprinting at earthlink.net Fri Jun 22 09:13:43 2007 From: goldcoastprinting at earthlink.net (Gold Coast Printing) Date: Fri Jun 22 09:13:49 2007 Subject: [PrintShare] Mac Fonts Message-ID: <1317878.1182518023914.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Yea certain decorative fonts do not work on the newer macs. If they are the "bastard" versions of fonts where your customer got off some free site or from another client who got off a free site they typically do not work. The best thing about InDesign is to create outlines unless they are sending a PDF because. I do this with any fancy fonts that I know most likely will not be accepted by a RIP or even something I completely want locked in position text wise - I do in outlines. Also get into the habit of asking for the PDF versions to back the native files up this way you will not need to worry about font issues in the future if the pdf is prepared correctly. -Jenn Graphic Designer -----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Haines >Sent: Jun 22, 2007 8:41 AM >To: printshare@printweb.org >Subject: [PrintShare] Mac Fonts > >*** This is a PrintShare List Message *** > >We received two Mac InDesign files from a fairly >new broker yesterday. It was designed by there >customer who knows what they are doing and >included the fonts. We tried opening it on our >new Intel processor Mac and can't load all the >fonts. I'm not very comfortable with Macs and >fonts so I don't know for sure that all parts of >the fonts are there. We downloaded a demo of >suitcase and still can't get all the fonts to >work. So I took it to my 4 year old Imac. It was >able to load some of the fonts so we could print >the one file, but the other one still doesn't >work. We talked to Apple tech support. They were >saying the some fonts won't work on the Intel >processor that work on the old processor. Is that >true? I'm hesitant to call my customer since they >didn't design it and I don't want to look dumb in >case it is our fault. Any suggestions on making fonts work on Macs? > > >Jeff > >Haines Printing Co. >10575 W. Main Rd. >North East, PA 16428 >(814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 >email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz >_______________________________________________ >PrintShare Discussion List >Post: PrintShare@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printshare > Gold Coast Printing 785 Walt Whitman Road (Rt. 110) Melville, NY 11747 Tel: 631.271.2775 Fax: 631.547.0213 E-Mail: goldcoastprinting@earthlink.net From jeff at hprinting.biz Fri Jun 22 10:36:34 2007 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Fri Jun 22 10:36:32 2007 Subject: [PrintShare] Mac Fonts In-Reply-To: <1317878.1182518023914.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa .earthlink.net> References: <1317878.1182518023914.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20070622143625.21347.11952@hm-pop1.solinus.com> >I renewed my ASN membership this morning. We >call InDesign tech support. The problem turned >out to be one of the InDesign preferences folder >had corrupted the fonts we were having a problem with. So problem is solved. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From michael at herculespress.com Fri Jun 22 12:17:52 2007 From: michael at herculespress.com (Michael Macrides) Date: Fri Jun 22 12:17:58 2007 Subject: [PrintShare] Shop Towels agin In-Reply-To: <20070622160004.54D039073F2@rb.enter.net> References: <20070622160004.54D039073F2@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Those who are buying disposable rags...................Do you have them carted away as hazardous? Is the overall cost still better than using a shop towel service? Michael Macrides Hercules Press Boston, MA 617-323-1950 > Send PrintShare mailing list submissions to > printshare@printweb.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printshare > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > printshare-request@printweb.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > printshare-owner@printweb.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of PrintShare digest..." > > > *** This is a PrintShare List Digest *** > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Mac Fonts (Jeff Haines) > 2. Re: Mac Fonts (Gold Coast Printing) > 3. Re: Mac Fonts (Jeff Haines) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:41:52 -0400 > From: Jeff Haines > Subject: [PrintShare] Mac Fonts > To: printshare@printweb.org > Message-ID: <20070622124139.26657.9629@hm-pop1.solinus.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed > > We received two Mac InDesign files from a fairly > new broker yesterday. It was designed by there > customer who knows what they are doing and > included the fonts. We tried opening it on our > new Intel processor Mac and can't load all the > fonts. I'm not very comfortable with Macs and > fonts so I don't know for sure that all parts of > the fonts are there. We downloaded a demo of > suitcase and still can't get all the fonts to > work. So I took it to my 4 year old Imac. It was > able to load some of the fonts so we could print > the one file, but the other one still doesn't > work. We talked to Apple tech support. They were > saying the some fonts won't work on the Intel > processor that work on the old processor. Is that > true? I'm hesitant to call my customer since they > didn't design it and I don't want to look dumb in > case it is our fault. Any suggestions on making fonts work on Macs? > > > Jeff > > Haines Printing Co. > 10575 W. Main Rd. > North East, PA 16428 > (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 > email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:13:43 -0400 (GMT-04:00) > From: Gold Coast Printing > Subject: Re: [PrintShare] Mac Fonts > To: Discussion List for the Printing Industry > > Message-ID: > <1317878.1182518023914.JavaMail.root@elwamui- > muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Yea certain decorative fonts do not work on the newer macs. If they > are the "bastard" versions of fonts where your customer got off > some free site or from another client who got off a free site they > typically do not work. The best thing about InDesign is to create > outlines unless they are sending a PDF because. I do this with any > fancy fonts that I know most likely will not be accepted by a RIP > or even something I completely want locked in position text wise - > I do in outlines. Also get into the habit of asking for the PDF > versions to back the native files up this way you will not need to > worry about font issues in the future if the pdf is prepared > correctly. > > -Jenn > Graphic Designer > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Jeff Haines >> Sent: Jun 22, 2007 8:41 AM >> To: printshare@printweb.org >> Subject: [PrintShare] Mac Fonts >> >> *** This is a PrintShare List Message *** >> >> We received two Mac InDesign files from a fairly >> new broker yesterday. It was designed by there >> customer who knows what they are doing and >> included the fonts. We tried opening it on our >> new Intel processor Mac and can't load all the >> fonts. I'm not very comfortable with Macs and >> fonts so I don't know for sure that all parts of >> the fonts are there. We downloaded a demo of >> suitcase and still can't get all the fonts to >> work. So I took it to my 4 year old Imac. It was >> able to load some of the fonts so we could print >> the one file, but the other one still doesn't >> work. We talked to Apple tech support. They were >> saying the some fonts won't work on the Intel >> processor that work on the old processor. Is that >> true? I'm hesitant to call my customer since they >> didn't design it and I don't want to look dumb in >> case it is our fault. Any suggestions on making fonts work on Macs? >> >> >> Jeff >> >> Haines Printing Co. >> 10575 W. Main Rd. >> North East, PA 16428 >> (814) 725-1955 ?? Fax (814) 725-2244 >> email: jeff@hprinting.biz ?? www.hprinting.biz >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintShare Discussion List >> Post: PrintShare@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printshare >> > > > Gold Coast Printing > 785 Walt Whitman Road (Rt. 110) > Melville, NY 11747 > Tel: 631.271.2775 Fax: 631.547.0213 > E-Mail: goldcoastprinting@earthlink.net > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:36:34 -0400 > From: Jeff Haines > Subject: Re: [PrintShare] Mac Fonts > To: Gold Coast Printing , Discussion > List for the Printing Industry > Message-ID: <20070622143625.21347.11952@hm-pop1.solinus.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed > > >> I renewed my ASN membership this morning. We >> call InDesign tech support. The problem turned >> out to be one of the InDesign preferences folder >> had corrupted the fonts we were having a problem with. So problem >> is solved. > > > Jeff > > Haines Printing Co. > 10575 W. Main Rd. > North East, PA 16428 > (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 > email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintShare Discussion List > Post: PrintShare@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printshare > > > > End of PrintShare Digest, Vol 21, Issue 5 > ***************************************** From John at mpcny.com Fri Jun 22 16:07:15 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Fri Jun 22 16:07:03 2007 Subject: [PrintShare] Shop Towels agin In-Reply-To: References: <20070622160004.54D039073F2@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <002101c7b508$edbd7210$c9385630$@com> Our local has an incinerator and they are disposable in the regular trash system. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and Standard Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! -----Original Message----- From: printshare-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printshare-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Macrides Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 12:18 PM To: printshare@printweb.org Subject: [PrintShare] Shop Towels agin *** This is a PrintShare List Message *** Those who are buying disposable rags...................Do you have them carted away as hazardous? Is the overall cost still better than using a shop towel service? Michael Macrides Hercules Press Boston, MA 617-323-1950 > Send PrintShare mailing list submissions to > printshare@printweb.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printshare > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > printshare-request@printweb.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > printshare-owner@printweb.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of PrintShare digest..." > > > *** This is a PrintShare List Digest *** > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Mac Fonts (Jeff Haines) > 2. Re: Mac Fonts (Gold Coast Printing) > 3. Re: Mac Fonts (Jeff Haines) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:41:52 -0400 > From: Jeff Haines > Subject: [PrintShare] Mac Fonts > To: printshare@printweb.org > Message-ID: <20070622124139.26657.9629@hm-pop1.solinus.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed > > We received two Mac InDesign files from a fairly > new broker yesterday. It was designed by there > customer who knows what they are doing and > included the fonts. We tried opening it on our > new Intel processor Mac and can't load all the > fonts. I'm not very comfortable with Macs and > fonts so I don't know for sure that all parts of > the fonts are there. We downloaded a demo of > suitcase and still can't get all the fonts to > work. So I took it to my 4 year old Imac. It was > able to load some of the fonts so we could print > the one file, but the other one still doesn't > work. We talked to Apple tech support. They were > saying the some fonts won't work on the Intel > processor that work on the old processor. Is that > true? I'm hesitant to call my customer since they > didn't design it and I don't want to look dumb in > case it is our fault. Any suggestions on making fonts work on Macs? > > > Jeff > > Haines Printing Co. > 10575 W. Main Rd. > North East, PA 16428 > (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 > email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:13:43 -0400 (GMT-04:00) > From: Gold Coast Printing > Subject: Re: [PrintShare] Mac Fonts > To: Discussion List for the Printing Industry > > Message-ID: > <1317878.1182518023914.JavaMail.root@elwamui- > muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Yea certain decorative fonts do not work on the newer macs. If they > are the "bastard" versions of fonts where your customer got off > some free site or from another client who got off a free site they > typically do not work. The best thing about InDesign is to create > outlines unless they are sending a PDF because. I do this with any > fancy fonts that I know most likely will not be accepted by a RIP > or even something I completely want locked in position text wise - > I do in outlines. Also get into the habit of asking for the PDF > versions to back the native files up this way you will not need to > worry about font issues in the future if the pdf is prepared > correctly. > > -Jenn > Graphic Designer > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Jeff Haines >> Sent: Jun 22, 2007 8:41 AM >> To: printshare@printweb.org >> Subject: [PrintShare] Mac Fonts >> >> *** This is a PrintShare List Message *** >> >> We received two Mac InDesign files from a fairly >> new broker yesterday. It was designed by there >> customer who knows what they are doing and >> included the fonts. We tried opening it on our >> new Intel processor Mac and can't load all the >> fonts. I'm not very comfortable with Macs and >> fonts so I don't know for sure that all parts of >> the fonts are there. We downloaded a demo of >> suitcase and still can't get all the fonts to >> work. So I took it to my 4 year old Imac. It was >> able to load some of the fonts so we could print >> the one file, but the other one still doesn't >> work. We talked to Apple tech support. They were >> saying the some fonts won't work on the Intel >> processor that work on the old processor. Is that >> true? I'm hesitant to call my customer since they >> didn't design it and I don't want to look dumb in >> case it is our fault. Any suggestions on making fonts work on Macs? >> >> >> Jeff >> >> Haines Printing Co. >> 10575 W. Main Rd. >> North East, PA 16428 >> (814) 725-1955 ?? Fax (814) 725-2244 >> email: jeff@hprinting.biz ?? www.hprinting.biz >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintShare Discussion List >> Post: PrintShare@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printshare >> > > > Gold Coast Printing > 785 Walt Whitman Road (Rt. 110) > Melville, NY 11747 > Tel: 631.271.2775 Fax: 631.547.0213 > E-Mail: goldcoastprinting@earthlink.net > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:36:34 -0400 > From: Jeff Haines > Subject: Re: [PrintShare] Mac Fonts > To: Gold Coast Printing , Discussion > List for the Printing Industry > Message-ID: <20070622143625.21347.11952@hm-pop1.solinus.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed > > >> I renewed my ASN membership this morning. We >> call InDesign tech support. The problem turned >> out to be one of the InDesign preferences folder >> had corrupted the fonts we were having a problem with. So problem >> is solved. > > > Jeff > > Haines Printing Co. > 10575 W. Main Rd. > North East, PA 16428 > (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 > email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintShare Discussion List > Post: PrintShare@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printshare > > > > End of PrintShare Digest, Vol 21, Issue 5 > ***************************************** _______________________________________________ PrintShare Discussion List Post: PrintShare@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printshare No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.4/860 - Release Date: 6/21/2007 5:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.4/860 - Release Date: 6/21/2007 5:53 PM