From mitch at mitchevansconsulting.com Mon Sep 1 10:48:55 2008 From: mitch at mitchevansconsulting.com (Mitch Evans) Date: Mon Sep 1 10:49:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Houma LA in the news. In-Reply-To: <20080831.202014.3471.2@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <002301c90c41$ddd485f0$6501a8c0@Y765TJ> Looks like they are directly in the path of Gustav - I am probably one of the few on this list that has actually been to Houma - nice community - reminded me a lot of area that I now spend most of my time -- the lowcountry of South Carolina. Jace was a great host and I wish him and his family well through the storm. Mitch Mitch Evans Mitch Evans Consulting & The Next Level Group 8 Driftwood Cottage Lane Daufuskie Island, SC 29915 561-351-6950 cell 843-757-8057 fax www.mitchevansconsulting.com www.the-nextlevelgroup.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brad Potter Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 11:20 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Houma LA in the news. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Looks like the storm is heading straight for Jace. Our prayers are with you buddy, especially for the bar... brad Brad Potter Printing Services Inc. www.myprintsource.net Your Printing Super Hero 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A Port Orchard, WA 98366 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! ____________________________________________________________ Are you safe? Click for quotes on a home security system. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3ni3dWhPedzWC82OgwtrWgEYKl BCjnnRMlMDpKdwFGc3VfL2/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Mon Sep 1 11:30:20 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Mon Sep 1 11:30:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Service In-Reply-To: <8CAD9B256CDED97-1628-14C0@webmail-db18.sysops.aol.com> References: <348667.82721.qm@web703.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CAD9B256CDED97-1628-14C0@webmail-db18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CADA5EC70605D2-1B3C-784A@mblk-d35.sysops.aol.com> A friend send me this & I found it amusing! I became confused when I heard these terms?which make reference to the word 'service'. ? Internal Revenue 'Service'? Telephone 'Service' T.V. 'Service' Civil 'Service' City & County Public 'Service' Customer 'Service' ? This is not what I thought 'service' meant. But today, I overheard two farmers talking, and one of them said he had hired a bull to 'service' a few of his cows. BAM!!! It all came into perspective. I now understand what all those 'service' agencies are doing to us. ? I hope you are now as enlightened as I am... Tommy Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: tommel61@aol.com To: Copythatnyc@aol.com Sent: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 2:55 pm Subject: Fwd: Service! -----Original Message----- From: T-Bone FTO FL-2 To: T-Bone - FTO FL-2 Sent: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:56 am Subject: Service! I became confused when I heard these terms?which make reference to the word 'service'. ? Internal Revenue 'Service'? Telephone 'Service' T.V. 'Service' Civil 'Service' City & County Public 'Service' Customer 'Service' ? This is not what I thought 'service' meant. But today, I overheard two farmers talking, and one of them said he had hired a bull to 'service' a few of his cows. BAM!!! It all came into perspective. I now understand what all those 'service' agencies are doing to us. ? I hope you are now as enlightened as I am... In Brotherhood T-Bone FTO USMVMC FL-2 www.usmvmc.net? A US Military Vet, whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve is someone who at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to The United States of America for an amount of up to, and including his life. That is honor; and there are way too many people in this country who don't get that. ------------------------------------------------------------ Get the MapQuest Toolbar. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices & More! From huntleyw at bellsouth.net Mon Sep 1 16:27:23 2008 From: huntleyw at bellsouth.net (Bill Huntley) Date: Mon Sep 1 15:27:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Houma LA in the news. References: <002301c90c41$ddd485f0$6501a8c0@Y765TJ> Message-ID: <003d01c90c71$258c4fc0$d5e10641@bills4drj3ddzy> Start frettin', Mitch, you are next. Hannah comin' your way! Bill Huntley Universal Copies Columbia, SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitch Evans" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 9:48 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Houma LA in the news. > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Looks like they are directly in the path of Gustav - I am probably one of > the few on this list that has actually been to Houma - nice community - > reminded me a lot of area that I now spend most of my time -- the lowcountry > of South Carolina. Jace was a great host and I wish him and his family well > through the storm. > > Mitch > > Mitch Evans > Mitch Evans Consulting & The Next Level Group > 8 Driftwood Cottage Lane > Daufuskie Island, SC 29915 > 561-351-6950 cell > 843-757-8057 fax > www.mitchevansconsulting.com > www.the-nextlevelgroup.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brad Potter > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 11:20 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Houma LA in the news. > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Looks like the storm is heading straight for Jace. > Our prayers are with you buddy, especially for the bar... > > brad > > > > > > > Brad Potter > Printing Services Inc. > www.myprintsource.net > Your Printing Super Hero > 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A > Port Orchard, WA 98366 > 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax > > P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or > business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated > printing related products and services, please contact me. > I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. > Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please > don't keep us a secret! > > ____________________________________________________________ > Are you safe? Click for quotes on a home security system. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3ni3dWhPedzWC82OgwtrWgEYKl > BCjnnRMlMDpKdwFGc3VfL2/ > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Mon Sep 1 15:32:08 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Mon Sep 1 15:32:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Acrobat color to K Message-ID: Piece of cake....send the file to your rip; tell it to output in greyscale..you'll get black text, grayscale images, black clicks. At least............we do. And we do this a lot. Or send it from your workstation selecting greyscale in Acrobat. As for working on a 3 day weekend, that's great! Doing things other's don't want to do is important for long term success. I've noticed my competition drops by at least 90% after they do their 40 hour work week. Hey, work is not a 4 letter word. Unless you want it to be. Larry Desert Pacific Printing Tucson Hello I have a file that is 331 pages and my Acrobat preflight says that 192 are pages that are CMY.. BUT I look and see that many pages are really just black.. Using Enfocus Pit Stop Professional (Version 7.01) what is the BEST way to change the color to K black and NOT Rich black and to fix the RGB images to be CMY BUT IF they are RGB images that are really black that they also become REAL BLACK... Just trying to save a little as I need to print 25 of these books SOON! and I have other files that have the same issue... I do not want to pay a color click for my black pages! If you want to give it a try you can download the file here.. It is about 20 MEG http://wikisend.com/download/493046/GM0011-GimelMath-workbook.pdf thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From keli at parchmentpress.net Mon Sep 1 21:01:39 2008 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Mon Sep 1 21:01:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Acrobat color to K In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48BC9073.1020604@parchmentpress.net> Yes I can easily make it all greyscale.. BUT I only want color on color pages and black on greyscale pages! Mixed document.. I contacted Matt Beals (he was a great help) he told me that there was a spot color called acrofakegrey that needed to be remapped and then using Callas pdftoolbox he fixed the document... Before this 312 page document had 192 pages that it wanted in color and after it was ONLY 99 pages n color.. 100 page difference for 25 books! BUT I use acrobat 8 and have pitstop and callas is costly... As for my strange work days... I am in a religious community.. We are off every Sabbath.. Fri Eve to Sat Eve.. so I am usually in the shop most Sundays...and the rest of the week... MUCH to do! thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Parchment Press is a cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes. To learn more about our community please go here... http://www.twelvetribes.com larry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Piece of cake....send the file to your rip; tell it to output in greyscale..you'll get black text, grayscale images, black clicks. > At least............we do. And we do this a lot. Or send it from your workstation selecting greyscale in Acrobat. > > As for working on a 3 day weekend, that's great! Doing things other's don't want to do is important for long term success. > I've noticed my competition drops by at least 90% after they do their 40 hour work week. > > Hey, work is not a 4 letter word. Unless you want it to be. > > Larry > Desert Pacific Printing > Tucson > > > > > Hello I have a file that is 331 pages and my Acrobat preflight says that > 192 are pages that are CMY.. > BUT I look and see that many pages are really just black.. > Using Enfocus Pit Stop Professional (Version 7.01) > what is the BEST way to change the color to K black and NOT Rich black > and to fix the RGB images to be CMY BUT IF they are RGB images that are > really black that they also become REAL BLACK... > > Just trying to save a little as I need to print 25 of these books SOON! > and I have other files that have the same issue... > I do not want to pay a color click for my black pages! > > If you want to give it a try you can download the file here.. It is > about 20 MEG > http://wikisend.com/download/493046/GM0011-GimelMath-workbook.pdf > > thanks, > Michael Markuson (aka Keli) > Parchment Press > > Larry Taylor > Desert Pacific Printing > Tucson, AZ > 520-745-8004 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From slb at inkspot.net Mon Sep 1 21:02:29 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Sep 1 21:02:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] cleaning HP inkjet cartridges? Message-ID: <48BC5865.9669.267C44EC@slb.inkspot.net> I'm trying to address a mailing, and I can't seem to put together enough working ink cartridges. Any advice on cleaning (partially to wholly) clogged HP cartriges? TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From k_graham at hotmail.com Mon Sep 1 21:39:28 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Mon Sep 1 21:39:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Interesting site linking photos to Google Maps References: <48BC5865.9669.267C44EC@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: I'm probably the last to know about this site http://www.panoramio.com I was just shown it a few days ago, however it seems 100's of thousands of photos are there, linked to Google earth. If one needs a good photo of an area it should be a matter of contacting the photographer. I've put a few up I've stitched together of the area of southern Mexico I'm in at the moment http://www.panoramio.com/user/2191674 . Just keep clicking on a photo to enlarge it to viewing size and use your scroll bars. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Blatman" To: Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 6:02 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] cleaning HP inkjet cartridges? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'm trying to address a mailing, and I can't seem to put together > enough working ink cartridges. > > Any advice on cleaning (partially to wholly) clogged HP cartriges? > > TIA, > Steve > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From scott at usacolor.com Mon Sep 1 21:40:12 2008 From: scott at usacolor.com (scott) Date: Mon Sep 1 21:40:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] cleaning HP inkjet cartridges? In-Reply-To: <48BC5865.9669.267C44EC@slb.inkspot.net> References: <48BC5865.9669.267C44EC@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <48BC997C.7090706@usacolor.com> hot water on a smooth cloth rag. dab repeatedly until it works. I've seen some fast drying cartridges needing this after stopping for even a few minutes -- Scott Balsiger President USA Color Printing Inc. 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN 56601 800-759-9126 218-759-2883(fax) www.usacolor.com Steve Blatman wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'm trying to address a mailing, and I can't seem to put together > enough working ink cartridges. > > Any advice on cleaning (partially to wholly) clogged HP cartriges? > > TIA, > Steve > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- Scott Balsiger President USA Color Printing Inc. 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN 56601 800-759-9126 218-759-2883(fax) www.usacolor.com From falconprinting at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 09:20:07 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Tue Sep 2 09:20:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 3302 help needed In-Reply-To: <48B94BBA.6107.1A92C9EE@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: If its not too late feel free to call and ask our pressman Steve. Ask for myself or Chris. Thanks. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Steve Blatman > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:31:38 -0400 > To: > Subject: [PrintOwners] 3302 help needed > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Anybody around who can walk me through changing the blankets on a > 3302? (ours uses blankets with pre-mounted blanket bars) > My pressman's on vacation, and I have a job that can't wait. > > TIA, > Steve > > 610-647-0776 > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com Tue Sep 2 09:25:26 2008 From: Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com (Gerry Engelhart) Date: Tue Sep 2 09:25:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Repair of a Xerox 7700 Message-ID: <02ef01c90cff$5c906310$7000000a@Engelhart> We have a Phaser 7700 that needs repair. Any ideas on how to find a repair source. We found one repiar depot on line that wants $185 per hour with a 4 hour minimum help We use this machine for color proofing out of the art department no production Gerry Engelhart Porath Printsource Cleveland Oh From falconprinting at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 09:32:21 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Tue Sep 2 09:32:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Acrobat color to K In-Reply-To: <48BC9073.1020604@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: Sorry I was out, this is actually really easy in Pitstop. Unfortunately I'm not in the office and don't have our active version in front of me, but you're going to go to the "plug-ins" tab in your Acrobat Menu. Click on "Enfocus Pitstop Professional." From here you're going to have to find the right menu. I believe its "Show Enfocus Global Change", but can't verify that as I have a temp version on this computer that has expired. Once inside, there's an option to change all color to grayscale, and text to black. Simply enter in the page ranges that are supposed to be black, and this will quickly get them to come out correctly. Sorry I can't walk you all the way through, but it is extremely easy and totally possible with Pitstop. Try their support, otherwise I'll get it to you later today. This is the only reason we have pitstop, you definitely don't need any other software. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Keli of Coxsackie > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:01:39 -0400 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Acrobat color to K > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Yes I can easily make it all greyscale.. > BUT I only want color on color pages and black on greyscale pages! > Mixed document.. > I contacted Matt Beals (he was a great help) > he told me that there was a spot color called acrofakegrey that needed > to be remapped and then > using Callas pdftoolbox he fixed the document... > Before this 312 page document had 192 pages that it wanted in color and > after it was ONLY 99 pages n color.. 100 page difference for 25 books! > BUT I use acrobat 8 and have pitstop and callas is costly... > > As for my strange work days... I am in a religious community.. We are > off every Sabbath.. Fri Eve to Sat Eve.. so I am usually in the shop > most Sundays...and the rest of the week... MUCH to do! > > thanks, > Michael Markuson (aka Keli) > Parchment Press > 52 S River St > Coxsackie, NY 12051 > > Parchment Press is a cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes. To learn > more about our community please go here... http://www.twelvetribes.com > > > larry wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Piece of cake....send the file to your rip; tell it to output in >> greyscale..you'll get black text, grayscale images, black clicks. >> At least............we do. And we do this a lot. Or send it from your >> workstation selecting greyscale in Acrobat. >> >> As for working on a 3 day weekend, that's great! Doing things other's don't >> want to do is important for long term success. >> I've noticed my competition drops by at least 90% after they do their 40 hour >> work week. >> >> Hey, work is not a 4 letter word. Unless you want it to be. >> >> Larry >> Desert Pacific Printing >> Tucson >> >> >> >> >> Hello I have a file that is 331 pages and my Acrobat preflight says that >> 192 are pages that are CMY.. >> BUT I look and see that many pages are really just black.. >> Using Enfocus Pit Stop Professional (Version 7.01) >> what is the BEST way to change the color to K black and NOT Rich black >> and to fix the RGB images to be CMY BUT IF they are RGB images that are >> really black that they also become REAL BLACK... >> >> Just trying to save a little as I need to print 25 of these books SOON! >> and I have other files that have the same issue... >> I do not want to pay a color click for my black pages! >> >> If you want to give it a try you can download the file here.. It is >> about 20 MEG >> http://wikisend.com/download/493046/GM0011-GimelMath-workbook.pdf> > >> >> thanks, >> Michael Markuson (aka Keli) >> Parchment Press >> >> Larry Taylor >> Desert Pacific Printing >> Tucson, AZ >> 520-745-8004 >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From keli at parchmentpress.net Tue Sep 2 09:58:57 2008 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Tue Sep 2 09:59:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Acrobat color to K In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48BD46A1.7040407@parchmentpress.net> Thanks - BUT it is a mixed b/w and color document... IF all I wanted was greyscale.. EASY! BUT the problem is that the images were placed in the document with word and I believe it makes it come in with an ICC profile in RGB and so most pdf preflights will see it as color whether it is in b/w/greyscale or color... SO many pages that COULD be in b/w are charged a color click... SO Matt Beals explained that CALLAS pdftoolbox is the way to go.. I played a little with the trial and agree! Just a costly little program... but it does pay IF you know what to do... thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Parchment Press is a cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes. To learn more about our community please go here... http://www.twelvetribes.com Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Sorry I was out, this is actually really easy in Pitstop. Unfortunately I'm > not in the office and don't have our active version in front of me, but > you're going to go to the "plug-ins" tab in your Acrobat Menu. Click on > "Enfocus Pitstop Professional." From here you're going to have to find the > right menu. I believe its "Show Enfocus Global Change", but can't verify > that as I have a temp version on this computer that has expired. Once > inside, there's an option to change all color to grayscale, and text to > black. Simply enter in the page ranges that are supposed to be black, and > this will quickly get them to come out correctly. Sorry I can't walk you > all the way through, but it is extremely easy and totally possible with > Pitstop. Try their support, otherwise I'll get it to you later today. This > is the only reason we have pitstop, you definitely don't need any other > software. > > > Borzou Azabdaftari > Falcon Print and Copy > 1921 Gallows Road > Suite 150 > Vienna, VA 22182 > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > > > >> From: Keli of Coxsackie >> Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:01:39 -0400 >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Acrobat color to K >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Yes I can easily make it all greyscale.. >> BUT I only want color on color pages and black on greyscale pages! >> Mixed document.. >> I contacted Matt Beals (he was a great help) >> he told me that there was a spot color called acrofakegrey that needed >> to be remapped and then >> using Callas pdftoolbox he fixed the document... >> Before this 312 page document had 192 pages that it wanted in color and >> after it was ONLY 99 pages n color.. 100 page difference for 25 books! >> BUT I use acrobat 8 and have pitstop and callas is costly... >> >> As for my strange work days... I am in a religious community.. We are >> off every Sabbath.. Fri Eve to Sat Eve.. so I am usually in the shop >> most Sundays...and the rest of the week... MUCH to do! >> >> thanks, >> Michael Markuson (aka Keli) >> Parchment Press >> 52 S River St >> Coxsackie, NY 12051 >> >> Parchment Press is a cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes. To learn >> more about our community please go here... http://www.twelvetribes.com >> >> >> larry wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Piece of cake....send the file to your rip; tell it to output in >>> greyscale..you'll get black text, grayscale images, black clicks. >>> At least............we do. And we do this a lot. Or send it from your >>> workstation selecting greyscale in Acrobat. >>> >>> As for working on a 3 day weekend, that's great! Doing things other's don't >>> want to do is important for long term success. >>> I've noticed my competition drops by at least 90% after they do their 40 hour >>> work week. >>> >>> Hey, work is not a 4 letter word. Unless you want it to be. >>> >>> Larry >>> Desert Pacific Printing >>> Tucson >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello I have a file that is 331 pages and my Acrobat preflight says that >>> 192 are pages that are CMY.. >>> BUT I look and see that many pages are really just black.. >>> Using Enfocus Pit Stop Professional (Version 7.01) >>> what is the BEST way to change the color to K black and NOT Rich black >>> and to fix the RGB images to be CMY BUT IF they are RGB images that are >>> really black that they also become REAL BLACK... >>> >>> Just trying to save a little as I need to print 25 of these books SOON! >>> and I have other files that have the same issue... >>> I do not want to pay a color click for my black pages! >>> >>> If you want to give it a try you can download the file here.. It is >>> about 20 MEG >>> >>> > http://wikisend.com/download/493046/GM0011-GimelMath-workbook.pdf> > >>> thanks, >>> Michael Markuson (aka Keli) >>> Parchment Press >>> >>> Larry Taylor >>> Desert Pacific Printing >>> Tucson, AZ >>> 520-745-8004 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From falconprinting at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 10:05:39 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Tue Sep 2 10:05:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Acrobat color to K In-Reply-To: <48BD46A1.7040407@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: You select the page range. So not all pages convert, only the ones you ask it to change. The rest remain in color. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Keli of Coxsackie > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 09:58:57 -0400 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Acrobat color to K > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thanks - BUT it is a mixed b/w and color document... > IF all I wanted was greyscale.. EASY! > BUT the problem is that the images were placed in the document with word > and I believe it makes it come in with an ICC profile in RGB and so most > pdf preflights will see it as color whether it is in b/w/greyscale or > color... SO many pages that COULD be in b/w are charged a color click... > SO Matt Beals explained that CALLAS pdftoolbox is the way to go.. > I played a little with the trial and agree! > Just a costly little program... but it does pay IF you know what to do... > > thanks, > Michael Markuson (aka Keli) > Parchment Press > 52 S River St > Coxsackie, NY 12051 > > Parchment Press is a cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes. To learn > more about our community please go here... http://www.twelvetribes.com > > > > Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Sorry I was out, this is actually really easy in Pitstop. Unfortunately I'm >> not in the office and don't have our active version in front of me, but >> you're going to go to the "plug-ins" tab in your Acrobat Menu. Click on >> "Enfocus Pitstop Professional." From here you're going to have to find the >> right menu. I believe its "Show Enfocus Global Change", but can't verify >> that as I have a temp version on this computer that has expired. Once >> inside, there's an option to change all color to grayscale, and text to >> black. Simply enter in the page ranges that are supposed to be black, and >> this will quickly get them to come out correctly. Sorry I can't walk you >> all the way through, but it is extremely easy and totally possible with >> Pitstop. Try their support, otherwise I'll get it to you later today. This >> is the only reason we have pitstop, you definitely don't need any other >> software. >> >> >> Borzou Azabdaftari >> Falcon Print and Copy >> 1921 Gallows Road >> Suite 150 >> Vienna, VA 22182 >> t.703.442.0124 >> f.703.442.0134 >> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: Keli of Coxsackie >>> Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >>> >>> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:01:39 -0400 >>> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >>> >>> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Acrobat color to K >>> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Yes I can easily make it all greyscale.. >>> BUT I only want color on color pages and black on greyscale pages! >>> Mixed document.. >>> I contacted Matt Beals (he was a great help) >>> he told me that there was a spot color called acrofakegrey that needed >>> to be remapped and then >>> using Callas pdftoolbox he fixed the document... >>> Before this 312 page document had 192 pages that it wanted in color and >>> after it was ONLY 99 pages n color.. 100 page difference for 25 books! >>> BUT I use acrobat 8 and have pitstop and callas is costly... >>> >>> As for my strange work days... I am in a religious community.. We are >>> off every Sabbath.. Fri Eve to Sat Eve.. so I am usually in the shop >>> most Sundays...and the rest of the week... MUCH to do! >>> >>> thanks, >>> Michael Markuson (aka Keli) >>> Parchment Press >>> 52 S River St >>> Coxsackie, NY 12051 >>> >>> Parchment Press is a cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes. To learn >>> more about our community please go here... http://www.twelvetribes.com >>> >>> >>> larry wrote: >>> >>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>> >>>> Piece of cake....send the file to your rip; tell it to output in >>>> greyscale..you'll get black text, grayscale images, black clicks. >>>> At least............we do. And we do this a lot. Or send it from your >>>> workstation selecting greyscale in Acrobat. >>>> >>>> As for working on a 3 day weekend, that's great! Doing things other's >>>> don't >>>> want to do is important for long term success. >>>> I've noticed my competition drops by at least 90% after they do their 40 >>>> hour >>>> work week. >>>> >>>> Hey, work is not a 4 letter word. Unless you want it to be. >>>> >>>> Larry >>>> Desert Pacific Printing >>>> Tucson >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello I have a file that is 331 pages and my Acrobat preflight says that >>>> 192 are pages that are CMY.. >>>> BUT I look and see that many pages are really just black.. >>>> Using Enfocus Pit Stop Professional (Version 7.01) >>>> what is the BEST way to change the color to K black and NOT Rich black >>>> and to fix the RGB images to be CMY BUT IF they are RGB images that are >>>> really black that they also become REAL BLACK... >>>> >>>> Just trying to save a little as I need to print 25 of these books SOON! >>>> and I have other files that have the same issue... >>>> I do not want to pay a color click for my black pages! >>>> >>>> If you want to give it a try you can download the file here.. It is >>>> about 20 MEG >>>> >>>> >> http://wikisend.com/download/493046/GM0011-GimelMath-workbook.pdf> >> >> >>>> thanks, >>>> Michael Markuson (aka Keli) >>>> Parchment Press >>>> >>>> Larry Taylor >>>> Desert Pacific Printing >>>> Tucson, AZ >>>> 520-745-8004 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From tims_printowner at schreurprinting.com Tue Sep 2 10:20:09 2008 From: tims_printowner at schreurprinting.com (Tim PrintOwner) Date: Tue Sep 2 10:22:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cont. Forms In-Reply-To: <20080902132539.24110105F275@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Looking for suggestions for continuous forms printers. suggestions? ----------- Tim Schreur President Schreur Printing - Since 1946 "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" P 616-392-4405 F 616-392-4296 w www.schreurprinting.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Sep 2 10:30:37 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Sep 2 10:30:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] contacting an IP Address? Message-ID: Someone attempted to order my book on line, but most of the critical information as to who was ordering or where to send it was dropped or missing. Ironically, the CC info and expiration date came through fine. All that I do have is an IP address. Is there a way I can send something to that address using only the numbers and decimals I have? Thanks. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From clc at crownmax.com Tue Sep 2 10:44:44 2008 From: clc at crownmax.com (clc) Date: Tue Sep 2 10:44:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cont. Forms In-Reply-To: References: <20080902132539.24110105F275@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Go to www.printprofessionalmag.com/whoswho and search by product. Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road Dunbar, WV 25064 1-800-252-40111 www.crownmax.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tim PrintOwner Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 10:20 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Cont. Forms ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Looking for suggestions for continuous forms printers. suggestions? ----------- Tim Schreur President Schreur Printing - Since 1946 "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" P 616-392-4405 F 616-392-4296 w www.schreurprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From hal at pickimp.com Tue Sep 2 10:50:12 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Tue Sep 2 10:48:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] contacting an IP Address? References: Message-ID: <000c01c90d0b$36f691e0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> If it's a static IP you can probably send an email if it came from a company. If it came from someone's home you cannot. Most small businesses and home users have a dynamic IP address which may or many not still be assigned to the sender. If they';re dial up customers their IP address changes every time they sign on. You can run the IP address here: http://tinyurl.com/hu5ux be sure to click the IP address radio button. The results will make it apparent whether it's assigned to a customer or whether it's simply inside a block of dynamically assigned addresses. Hal From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 10:52:28 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue Sep 2 10:52:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] contacting an IP Address? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83d5b9620809020752x164f376bi1a6bffedb639480c@mail.gmail.com> Try typing the IP address in a browser just like it was a URL. It might take you to their web page. For example you can get to our web page by using "www.mpsprinting.com" or "206.162.193.75" -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com John said: > Someone attempted to order my book on line, but most of the critical > information as to who was ordering or where to send it was dropped or missing. > Ironically, the CC info and expiration date came through fine. > > All that I do have is an IP address. Is there a way I can send something to > that address using only the numbers and decimals I have? Thanks. From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Sep 2 11:00:43 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Sep 2 11:00:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] contacting an IP Address? Message-ID: In a message dated 9/2/2008 10:49:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hal@pickimp.com writes: You can run the IP address here: http://tinyurl.com/hu5ux be sure to click the IP address radio button. Hal, that seemed to work great... it took me to a company in Indiana that looks like it does mailing services, so now I will google them and see if I can hunt up a name of someone. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From char at themasterspress.com Tue Sep 2 11:11:27 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue Sep 2 11:11:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cont. Forms In-Reply-To: References: <20080902132539.24110105F275@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <6E99642061B447878FC3A1DC404A43C2@CharXP> We use Central States but can't find their number right now. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tim PrintOwner Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:20 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Cont. Forms ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Looking for suggestions for continuous forms printers. suggestions? ----------- Tim Schreur President Schreur Printing - Since 1946 "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" P 616-392-4405 F 616-392-4296 w www.schreurprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3407 (20080902) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3407 (20080902) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Sep 2 11:12:48 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Sep 2 11:13:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] contacting an IP Address? Message-ID: In a message dated 9/2/2008 11:02:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, QKCONSULT@aol.com writes: You can run the IP address here: http://tinyurl.com/hu5ux be sure to click the IP address radio button. Well, I thought I had it since it returned a Telephone Cooperative which is a likely customer... however when I called the operator did not recognize the name.... so I guess I will drop it for now... It's not the money but the fact that the guy probably thinks it is in the mail when in reality I cannot process the order because I don't have enough info. I did try using it as an email addressed but enclosed in square brackets (I read that somewhere) but that did not seem to work. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Tue Sep 2 11:15:52 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Tue Sep 2 11:15:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Houma LA in the news. In-Reply-To: <002301c90c41$ddd485f0$6501a8c0@Y765TJ> References: <002301c90c41$ddd485f0$6501a8c0@Y765TJ> Message-ID: <48BD58A8.6010405@satx.rr.com> I lived there for a while when I was kid. It was great place to be a kid. I also hope Jace is OK. The local news had a reporter there today and it did not look good. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Mitch Evans wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Looks like they are directly in the path of Gustav - I am probably one of > the few on this list that has actually been to Houma - nice community - > reminded me a lot of area that I now spend most of my time -- the lowcountry > of South Carolina. Jace was a great host and I wish him and his family well > through the storm. > > Mitch > > Mitch Evans > Mitch Evans Consulting & The Next Level Group > 8 Driftwood Cottage Lane > Daufuskie Island, SC 29915 > 561-351-6950 cell > 843-757-8057 fax > www.mitchevansconsulting.com > www.the-nextlevelgroup.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brad Potter > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 11:20 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Houma LA in the news. > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Looks like the storm is heading straight for Jace. > Our prayers are with you buddy, especially for the bar... > > brad > > > > > > > Brad Potter > Printing Services Inc. > www.myprintsource.net > Your Printing Super Hero > 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A > Port Orchard, WA 98366 > 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax > > P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or > business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated > printing related products and services, please contact me. > I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. > Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please > don't keep us a secret! > > ____________________________________________________________ > Are you safe? Click for quotes on a home security system. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3ni3dWhPedzWC82OgwtrWgEYKl > BCjnnRMlMDpKdwFGc3VfL2/ > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From prtquick at eos.net Tue Sep 2 11:31:25 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Tue Sep 2 11:27:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cont. Forms In-Reply-To: References: <20080902132539.24110105F275@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <959FE593-BB5F-451A-8B7E-CD98F46211A0@eos.net> We use Strathmore Press in Cincinnati. Always had good service and turnaround. www.strathmorepress.com Thanks! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - PS: Referrals are the lifeblood of my business. If you have a friend or business associate who benefit from my years of experience, please contact me. We will treat them with respect and provide them with great customer service. Your referrals are the greatest compliment I can receive. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - On Sep 2, 2008, at 10:44 AM, clc wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Go to www.printprofessionalmag.com/whoswho and search by product. > > Charlie Counts > CROWNMAX, Inc. > 2301 Roxalana Road > Dunbar, WV 25064 > 1-800-252-40111 > www.crownmax.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tim PrintOwner > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 10:20 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Cont. Forms > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Looking for suggestions for continuous forms printers. > suggestions? > > ----------- > Tim Schreur > President > Schreur Printing - Since 1946 > "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" > P 616-392-4405 > F 616-392-4296 > w www.schreurprinting.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From hal at pickimp.com Tue Sep 2 11:32:22 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Tue Sep 2 11:30:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] contacting an IP Address? References: Message-ID: <001701c90d11$1cd07b40$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Run the credit card, he'll contact you soon enough. Hal From tufelkinder at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 11:30:28 2008 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Tue Sep 2 11:30:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] contacting an IP Address? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84f70d5e0809020830n499ad952w826164209d096d8e@mail.gmail.com> John, You may have succeeded in contacting the netblock owner, not the individual who was using that IP address. Could you send me the address? I'd be curious to see if it's traceable or not... Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ The best way out is always through. -- Robert Frost From hal at pickimp.com Tue Sep 2 11:40:13 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Tue Sep 2 11:38:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] contacting an IP Address? References: Message-ID: <002701c90d12$3409ce00$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> No that can't work because IP addresses are not tied to email addresses so even it could get there, it still couldn't find one person's mail box and most companies bounce misaddressed email. Hal From John at mpcny.com Tue Sep 2 11:40:34 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Tue Sep 2 11:40:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok Message-ID: <8B5CDF9DC5554621B1BA991247583165@Leo4allPC> I just talked with Jace on his cell. He and his family are fine. They got out late Sat. Night to his camp 100 miles north. Long drive, power is out at the camp, but nice breeze. He has been told the shop and bar are Ok but Houma is a mess with power out to the Friday or latter. He cannot go back to then. He almost always stays put, but this one was centered on him so he got out. Now is hearing about looting and hopes they shoot any SOB they catch. Not much more to add. He did say he thinks Chris Baker was hit with more water and is concerned about her and her business being flooded. I told Jace I had box of old art waxers, exacto blades and letterpress type chases I was shipping him to help him out You will not hear much to the weekend from him, but thanks all for thinking of him and his family, John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From hal at pickimp.com Tue Sep 2 11:59:00 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Tue Sep 2 11:56:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok References: <8B5CDF9DC5554621B1BA991247583165@Leo4allPC> Message-ID: <001401c90d14$d301fe40$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Things sure are different in the heartland. Hal From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue Sep 2 12:13:53 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Tue Sep 2 12:13:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok In-Reply-To: <8B5CDF9DC5554621B1BA991247583165@Leo4allPC> References: <8B5CDF9DC5554621B1BA991247583165@Leo4allPC> Message-ID: <00d601c90d16$e4c4bcb0$6401a8c0@coranew> Thank goodness Jace and his family are OK. Wasn't there someone else in that neck of the woods? I know Carol Rike was there, but has since moved to Texas, but was hoping to move back ASAP. Hope Chris is OK too!!!! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John M. Henry Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 10:41 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I just talked with Jace on his cell. He and his family are fine. They got out late Sat. Night to his camp 100 miles north. Long drive, power is out at the camp, but nice breeze. He has been told the shop and bar are Ok but Houma is a mess with power out to the Friday or latter. He cannot go back to then. He almost always stays put, but this one was centered on him so he got out. Now is hearing about looting and hopes they shoot any SOB they catch. Not much more to add. He did say he thinks Chris Baker was hit with more water and is concerned about her and her business being flooded. I told Jace I had box of old art waxers, exacto blades and letterpress type chases I was shipping him to help him out You will not hear much to the weekend from him, but thanks all for thinking of him and his family, John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3407 (20080902) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Tue Sep 2 12:24:53 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Tue Sep 2 12:26:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] cleaning HP inkjet cartridges? In-Reply-To: <20080902132539.24110105F275@rb.enter.net> References: <20080902132539.24110105F275@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <0CD10940-AE0C-448D-91C0-918BCAF4ACDB@sheergraphics.com> I'm surprised that genuine H-P cartridges clog. We changed from Collins Ink for that very reason. In between mailings, we store the cartridges in a small plastic Tupperware sort of container. The jets are sealed with a plastic clip device that came with HP cartridges purchased for our 60" wide ink- jet. This sealed plastic tub has a damp sponge at the bottom. The cartridges have never clogged since w started this procedure some years ago. > I'm trying to address a mailing, and I can't seem to put together > enough working ink cartridges. > > Any advice on cleaning (partially to wholly) clogged HP cartriges? Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Tue Sep 2 12:26:25 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Tue Sep 2 12:26:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cont. Forms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: MicroForm in Sterling Hgt, Michigan 800-334-3676 On Sep 2, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Tim PrintOwner wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Looking for suggestions for continuous forms printers. > suggestions? > > ----------- > Tim Schreur > President > Schreur Printing - Since 1946 > "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" > P 616-392-4405 > F 616-392-4296 > w www.schreurprinting.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." - Plato From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Tue Sep 2 12:32:25 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Tue Sep 2 12:32:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok In-Reply-To: <001401c90d14$d301fe40$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> References: <8B5CDF9DC5554621B1BA991247583165@Leo4allPC> <001401c90d14$d301fe40$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48BD6A99.3040505@satx.rr.com> They are sheltering evacuees here again. Last night I commented to my wife that all the faces I saw in the free shelters were black, no Hispanics or Anglos. Watching one complain they weren't being given money to pay for the gas for the trip really aggravated me. If I had to do a bug out I would take care of my own as I'm sure many on this list would. I don't want to sound racist and maybe the observation is, but why do Anglos and Hispanics seem more likely to deal with this sort of thing without whining? Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Hal Wendt wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Things sure are different in the heartland. > > > > Hal > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Sep 2 12:45:26 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Sep 2 12:45:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok Message-ID: In a message dated 9/2/2008 12:34:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dennisewing@satx.rr.com writes: I don't want to sound racist and maybe the observation is, but why do Anglos and Hispanics seem more likely to deal with this sort of thing without whining? Well, what bothers me a lot more are the folks lined up in the emergency rooms at hospitals 24-7, with so many of them simply not being emergencies at all, but rather because these folks have no other source for medical assistance. It is amazing how much abuse there is in the system, to the point where if you have a real emergency you may still have to wait hours in line behind many folks who use the emergency room like we would use a family doctor or clinic. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From slb at inkspot.net Tue Sep 2 12:54:39 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Sep 2 12:55:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] cleaning HP inkjet cartridges? In-Reply-To: <0CD10940-AE0C-448D-91C0-918BCAF4ACDB@sheergraphics.com> References: <20080902132539.24110105F275@rb.enter.net>, <0CD10940-AE0C-448D-91C0-918BCAF4ACDB@sheergraphics.com> Message-ID: <48BD378F.32653.29E3FFA6@slb.inkspot.net> We store ours in tupperware, with a wet cloth in the container, but I haven't been able to find clips to cover the jets. Apparently, humidity alone is not sufficient. Any thoughts on a source for clips? Steve > > I'm surprised that genuine H-P cartridges clog. We changed from > Collins Ink for that very reason. > > In between mailings, we store the cartridges in a small plastic > Tupperware sort of container. The jets are sealed with a plastic clip > device that came with HP cartridges purchased for our 60" wide ink- > jet. This sealed plastic tub has a damp sponge at the bottom. The > cartridges have never clogged since w started this procedure some > years ago. > > > I'm trying to address a mailing, and I can't seem to put together > > enough working ink cartridges. > > > > Any advice on cleaning (partially to wholly) clogged HP cartriges? > > > Please reply to Simon Sheers at: > > > Sheer Graphics Inc. > 47 Chestnut Avenue, > Westmont, IL 60559-1127 > Tel: (630) 654-4422 > > Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3408 (20080902) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From slb at inkspot.net Tue Sep 2 12:58:01 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Sep 2 12:58:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok In-Reply-To: <48BD6A99.3040505@satx.rr.com> References: <8B5CDF9DC5554621B1BA991247583165@Leo4allPC>, <001401c90d14$d301fe40$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net>, <48BD6A99.3040505@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <48BD3859.22451.29E713E4@slb.inkspot.net> Or, to expand on your point a bit, why were there no visible complaints, looting, or related pathologies associated with the floods in Iowa earlier this year? Steve > > They are sheltering evacuees here again. Last night I commented to my > wife that all the faces I saw in the free shelters were black, no > Hispanics or Anglos. Watching one complain they weren't being given > money to pay for the gas for the trip really aggravated me. If I had to > do a bug out I would take care of my own as I'm sure many on this list > would. I don't want to sound racist and maybe the observation is, but > why do Anglos and Hispanics seem more likely to deal with this sort of > thing without whining? > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > Ewing and Sons Printing > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > San Antonio, TX 78233 > dennisewing@satx.rr.com > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com > 210/650-5311 > 210/650-9916 Fax > > > > Hal Wendt wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > > > Things sure are different in the heartland. > > > > > > > > Hal > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3408 (20080902) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 13:07:17 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Sep 2 13:07:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0809021007x1330c7fav5cae8d2720c9578@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:45 PM, wrote: > > It is amazing how much abuse there is in the system, to the point where if > you have a real emergency you may still have to wait hours in line behind many > folks who use the emergency room like we would use a family doctor or clinic. I think that's a different issue, John. Back in the day, my father was a General Practioner and then a Family Physician when general practice became a "specialty", and he would not only make daily house calls, but would regularly meet patients with emergencies at his office at any time of any day or night -- there were no off limits "days off" from that sort of thing. That type of medicine -- right away, when you need it -- is no longer available, hence the growth in the use of the emergency room. As for *real* emergencies, all emergency room practice triage, which is why non-emergency patients frequently are frequently kept waiting a long time as opposed to the other way around. At least that's the way it's supposed to work. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Sep 2 13:24:16 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Sep 2 13:24:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok Message-ID: In a message dated 9/2/2008 1:09:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com writes: That type of medicine -- right away, when you need it -- is no longer available, hence the growth in the use of the emergency room. I strongly disagree. I too remember house calls by doctors, etc., but the concept of 24-hr walk-in health clinics did not exist then as they do today. There is a place to go for a sudden severe ear ache but it shouldn't be the emergency room. You shouldn't go to the emergency room to get 6 stitches unless it is to sew back the jugular . The primary reason a large number of folks use the emergency room is they know it is or will be free and they don't have to pay a cent. They don't have to have insurance. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From kathy at badgerpressinc.com Tue Sep 2 13:29:54 2008 From: kathy at badgerpressinc.com (Kathy Dederich) Date: Tue Sep 2 13:30:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Earthtone Message-ID: <011701c90d21$83993eb0$6501a8c0@DellInspiron> Anybody familiar with this? Thoughts? Thanks! Kathy Dederich From dana at landmarkimpressions.com Tue Sep 2 13:35:35 2008 From: dana at landmarkimpressions.com (dana) Date: Tue Sep 2 13:34:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok In-Reply-To: <48BD3859.22451.29E713E4@slb.inkspot.net> References: <8B5CDF9DC5554621B1BA991247583165@Leo4allPC>, <001401c90d14$d301fe40$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net>, <48BD6A99.3040505@satx.rr.com> <48BD3859.22451.29E713E4@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: I just have to speak up, being amazed by the simplistic comments being put on this list server and not wanting my silence to have people believe I agree with any of these ideas. Keep the discussion to printing and hopefully you can add something of value to that. By the way I was in Iowa last year for the state fair. Nice people, fun time, but wouldn't put them on this pedestal that is being created and most definitely not holier then thou. Dana Wilson LandMark Impressions 35 Industrial Parkway Woburn, MA 01801 www.landmarkimpressions.com Phone: 781-569-0297 Fax: 781-569-0419 Cell: 781-710-7609 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 12:58 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Or, to expand on your point a bit, why were there no visible complaints, looting, or related pathologies associated with the floods in Iowa earlier this year? Steve > > They are sheltering evacuees here again. Last night I commented to my > wife that all the faces I saw in the free shelters were black, no > Hispanics or Anglos. Watching one complain they weren't being given > money to pay for the gas for the trip really aggravated me. If I had to > do a bug out I would take care of my own as I'm sure many on this list > would. I don't want to sound racist and maybe the observation is, but > why do Anglos and Hispanics seem more likely to deal with this sort of > thing without whining? > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > Ewing and Sons Printing > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > San Antonio, TX 78233 > dennisewing@satx.rr.com > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com > 210/650-5311 > 210/650-9916 Fax > > > > Hal Wendt wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > > > Things sure are different in the heartland. > > > > > > > > Hal > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3408 (20080902) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From rstor at copycats.com Tue Sep 2 13:42:27 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Tue Sep 2 13:43:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok In-Reply-To: References: <8B5CDF9DC5554621B1BA991247583165@Leo4allPC>, <001401c90d14$d301fe40$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net>, <48BD6A99.3040505@satx.rr.com> <48BD3859.22451.29E713E4@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <48BD7B03.90408@copycats.com> I think that's a very wise post. Generalizations from anecdotal evidence are more indicative of what you bring to the observation than anything else. Lets stick to printing. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com dana wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I just have to speak up, being amazed by the simplistic comments being put > on this list server and not wanting my silence to have people believe I > agree with any of these ideas. > > Keep the discussion to printing and hopefully you can add something of value > to that. > > By the way I was in Iowa last year for the state fair. Nice people, fun > time, but wouldn't put them on this pedestal that is being created and most > definitely not holier then thou. > > > Dana Wilson > > LandMark Impressions > 35 Industrial Parkway > Woburn, MA 01801 > > www.landmarkimpressions.com > > Phone: 781-569-0297 > Fax: 781-569-0419 > Cell: 781-710-7609 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 12:58 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Or, to expand on your point a bit, why were there no visible > complaints, looting, or related pathologies associated with the > floods in Iowa earlier this year? > > Steve > > >> They are sheltering evacuees here again. Last night I commented to my >> wife that all the faces I saw in the free shelters were black, no >> Hispanics or Anglos. Watching one complain they weren't being given >> money to pay for the gas for the trip really aggravated me. If I had to >> do a bug out I would take care of my own as I'm sure many on this list >> would. I don't want to sound racist and maybe the observation is, but >> why do Anglos and Hispanics seem more likely to deal with this sort of >> thing without whining? >> >> Dennis W. Ewing Sr >> Ewing and Sons Printing >> 12000 Crownpoint, #130 >> San Antonio, TX 78233 >> dennisewing@satx.rr.com >> ewingandsons@satx.rr.com >> 210/650-5311 >> 210/650-9916 Fax >> >> >> >> Hal Wendt wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> >>> >>> Things sure are different in the heartland. >>> >>> >>> >>> Hal >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3408 (20080902) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From sos at olympus.net Tue Sep 2 13:50:58 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Sep 2 13:51:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok References: Message-ID: <0a4001c90d24$74fb4da0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> The primary reason a large number of folks > use the emergency room is they know it is or will be free and they don't > have to pay a cent. They don't have to have insurance. ========================= Right. Their insurance is all the rest of us paying twice as much as any service would normally cost, OK maybe half again as much, so that hospitals don't go bankrupt over all the no pay emergency customers. We are clearly paying for everyone's medical care already. Why not just make it official. I voted for Mit Romney as the only GOP candidate who had real experience in implementing universal health care. I was ready to support Hillary. I'll be curious to see what Barak and John have to say about it. Of course that's just one issue, but as a business owner who buys $30,000 worth of health insurance every year, competing with other businesses who don't offer it at all, it's an issue I'm interested in. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From John at mpcny.com Tue Sep 2 13:52:02 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Tue Sep 2 13:52:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Designer looking for work in FLA Message-ID: <4ECEF00BA890433EBBB979F19F1645DB@Leo4allPC> I know a 21 year in Rockledge (Melbourne area) FLA who is looking for work. He worked in his father's print shop doing all the odd print jobs until he got a 2 year Graphic design degree and moved to FLA to get married and the sun. He just got laid off in a merger of the space coast magazine. He is getting married and his soon to be wife is looking for a teaching job in the area, so wants to stay in FLA. If anyone is looking for a young designer who knows what an ink knife is, he maybe a good pickup. I can forward his email to you. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From sos at olympus.net Tue Sep 2 13:53:10 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Sep 2 13:53:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Earthtone References: <011701c90d21$83993eb0$6501a8c0@DellInspiron> Message-ID: <0a4501c90d24$c39363d0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Dederich" Anybody familiar with this? Thoughts? =================== Earthtone always used to be a brown color. But in the space age, with the earth being a blue ball, maybe it's more of a blue color now. But if it was me, I'd go with brown. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From george at dahlquistprinting.com Tue Sep 2 13:53:01 2008 From: george at dahlquistprinting.com (George Dahlquist) Date: Tue Sep 2 13:55:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Earthtone References: <011701c90d21$83993eb0$6501a8c0@DellInspiron> Message-ID: <005301c90d24$be9d66a0$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> I got a letter/solicitation from them today too. Also interested if anyone has any first hand information regarding their service. Supposedly free service but evidently they will charge a commission on jobs you get from your storefront on their site. www.earthstone.net. George Dahlquist Dahlquist Printing & Graphics Orlando, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Dederich" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 1:29 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Earthtone ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Anybody familiar with this? Thoughts? Thanks! Kathy Dederich _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From george at dahlquistprinting.com Tue Sep 2 13:59:55 2008 From: george at dahlquistprinting.com (George Dahlquist) Date: Tue Sep 2 14:02:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Earthtone References: <011701c90d21$83993eb0$6501a8c0@DellInspiron> <005301c90d24$be9d66a0$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> Message-ID: <000601c90d25$b51038a0$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> Sorry...should have been www.earthtone.net George Dahlquist Dahlquist Printing & Graphics Orlando, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Dahlquist" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Earthtone > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I got a letter/solicitation from them today too. Also interested if > anyone has any first hand information regarding their service. Supposedly > free service but evidently they will charge a commission on jobs you get > from your storefront on their site. www.earthstone.net. > > George Dahlquist > Dahlquist Printing & Graphics > Orlando, FL > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathy Dederich" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 1:29 PM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Earthtone > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Anybody familiar with this? Thoughts? > > Thanks! > > Kathy Dederich > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From prtquick at eos.net Tue Sep 2 14:16:35 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Tue Sep 2 14:12:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... In-Reply-To: <0a4001c90d24$74fb4da0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <0a4001c90d24$74fb4da0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <6A8725A9-4F38-47B1-8A9D-E9F9D675975A@eos.net> OK, focusing on printing: Without starting a political hoopla-thread (although we could under an OFF title ) has anyone heard much about either Presidential candidate concerning their platforms on small business? JMc. has a section about it on his website that shows the 4-5 things he would do to help small businesses (they talk about healthcare costs, corp. tax rate and a first year deduction expense on equipment investments. Also inheritance tax, which could effect a business changeover. I am not going to quote it all, here's a link http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/smallbusiness.htm I bumped into this Friday afternoon looking for the scoop on Palin. Anyone know what BHO has to say on such pertinent topics? Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - On Sep 2, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The primary reason a large number of folks >> use the emergency room is they know it is or will be free and they >> don't >> have to pay a cent. They don't have to have insurance. > ========================= > > Right. Their insurance is all the rest of us paying twice as much > as any service would normally cost, OK maybe half again as much, so > that hospitals don't go bankrupt over all the no pay emergency > customers. > We are clearly paying for everyone's medical care already. Why not > just make it official. > > I voted for Mit Romney as the only GOP candidate who had real > experience in implementing universal health care. I was ready to > support Hillary. I'll be curious to see what Barak and John have > to say about it. > > Of course that's just one issue, but as a business owner who buys > $30,000 worth of health insurance every year, competing with other > businesses who don't offer it at all, it's an issue I'm interested in. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mark at cordesprinting.com Tue Sep 2 14:18:54 2008 From: mark at cordesprinting.com (Mark Cordes) Date: Tue Sep 2 14:14:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Recommendation for B&W Copier needed Message-ID: <48BD838E.6060003@cordesprinting.com> Our lease on our Canon IR9070 is coming up next year and I want to start the process of looking at alternatives now. Overall the 9070 has been ok -- not great but ok. I have not been overly pleased with the service from Canon however. Speed-wise the 9070 serves our needs so I'm not looking to go to a high speed, feature packed box which will cost me more. What machines have you been pleased with? How about service? I realize service varies around the country so I will have to do my homework locally on that. I believe Danka also handles Canon -- at least they did in the past. The features our 9070 has which I would like on the next machine include the booklet finisher, 3 hole punch, stapler, cover inserter, high capacity side drawer which handles up to 11x17. The only thing we cannot do and I don't need to either is the letter folder. We have the Fiery rip on it with Command Work Station. Thanks for your thoughts! Mark Mark Cordes Cordes Printing, Inc. 460 Braen Avenue Wyckoff, NJ 07481 201.652.7272 mark@cordesprinting.com www.cordesprinting.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Sep 2 14:39:19 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Sep 2 14:41:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Earthtone In-Reply-To: <000601c90d25$b51038a0$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> References: <011701c90d21$83993eb0$6501a8c0@DellInspiron> <005301c90d24$be9d66a0$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> <000601c90d25$b51038a0$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> Message-ID: <200809021841.m82IfICF024333@i2bnetworks.com> From their home page: Earthtone is the future of online printing. uh huh, right. If I had a dollar for every time I have either heard or seen that statement, well, I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing now.... Looks like this Silver Butllet is still in beta. I can hardly wait. whoa....just had a Noosh flashback.... S. At 10:59 AM 9/2/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Sorry...should have been www.earthtone.net > >George Dahlquist >Dahlquist Printing & Graphics >Orlando, FL > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "George Dahlquist" > >To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > >Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 1:53 PM >Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Earthtone > > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>I got a letter/solicitation from them today too. Also interested >>if anyone has any first hand information regarding their >>service. Supposedly free service but evidently they will charge a >>commission on jobs you get from your storefront on their >>site. www.earthstone.net. >> >>George Dahlquist >>Dahlquist Printing & Graphics >>Orlando, FL >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Dederich" >> >>To: >>Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 1:29 PM >>Subject: [PrintOwners] Earthtone >> >> >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>Anybody familiar with this? Thoughts? >> >>Thanks! >> >>Kathy Dederich >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3408 (20080902) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From steveprint at aol.com Tue Sep 2 02:51:11 2008 From: steveprint at aol.com (StevePrint) Date: Tue Sep 2 14:50:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Earthtone In-Reply-To: <200809021841.m82IfICF024333@i2bnetworks.com> References: <011701c90d21$83993eb0$6501a8c0@DellInspiron>, <005301c90d24$be9d66a0$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local>, <000601c90d25$b51038a0$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local>, <200809021841.m82IfICF024333@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <72458482.76c5.4fc7.a2bb.442b47951e57@aol.com> We received 2 offers from them. Looks like they mailed to whole country. Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting In a message dated 09/02/08 11:42:53 Pacific Daylight Time, smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >From their home page: Earthtone is the future of online printing. uh huh, right. If I had a dollar for every time I have either heard or seen that statement, well, I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing now.... Looks like this Silver Butllet is still in beta. I can hardly wait. whoa....just had a Noosh flashback.... S. At 10:59 AM 9/2/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Sorry...should have been www.earthtone.net > >George Dahlquist >Dahlquist Printing & Graphics >Orlando, FL > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "George Dahlquist" > >To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > >Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 1:53 PM >Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Earthtone > > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>I got a letter/solicitation from them today too. Also interested >>if anyone has any first hand information regarding their >>service. Supposedly free service but evidently they will charge a >>commission on jobs you get from your storefront on their >>site. www.earthstone.net. >> >>George Dahlquist >>Dahlquist Printing & Graphics >>Orlando, FL >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Dederich" >> >>To: >>Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 1:29 PM >>Subject: [PrintOwners] Earthtone >> >> >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>Anybody familiar with this? Thoughts? >> >>Thanks! >> >>Kathy Dederich >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3408 (20080902) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From steve at toledoprinter.com Tue Sep 2 14:58:55 2008 From: steve at toledoprinter.com (West Printing) Date: Tue Sep 2 14:58:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] please help - Pit Stop action In-Reply-To: <48BAA626.20706@parchmentpress.net> References: <48BAA626.20706@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <00e901c90d2d$f3c9fc40$db5df4c0$@com> I have a Pitstop action list that will do what you want in a few seconds. Well, maybe a minute because you have a large file. If you haven't solved the problem yet, I would be glad to email the action list to you. Also, a fast way to visually inspect pages for cmyk is to open the pdf navigate advanced>print production>output preview, select separations from the drop down, click off "black". Then page through the pdf. Anything visible on your screen will be cmyk. Kind of a hassle for a large file but it works when you want to visually inspect what preflight has reported. Steve Robison West Printing Co. 327 12th Street, Toledo, OH 43604 Ph. 419.246.0857, steve@toledoprinter.com? **************************************** http://www.ToledoPrinter.Com Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Keli of Coxsackie > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 10:10 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] please help - Pit Stop action > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello I have a file that is 331 pages and my Acrobat preflight > says that > 192 are pages that are CMY.. > BUT I look and see that many pages are really just black.. > Using Enfocus Pit Stop Professional (Version 7.01) > what is the BEST way to change the color to K black and NOT Rich > black > and to fix the RGB images to be CMY BUT IF they are RGB images > that are > really black that they also become REAL BLACK... > > Just trying to save a little as I need to print 25 of these books > SOON! > and I have other files that have the same issue... > I do not want to pay a color click for my black pages! > > If you want to give it a try you can download the file here.. It > is > about 20 MEG > http://wikisend.com/download/493046/GM0011-GimelMath-workbook.pdf > > thanks, > Michael Markuson (aka Keli) > Parchment Press > 52 S River St > Coxsackie, NY 12051 > > Parchment Press is a cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes. To > learn > more about our community please go here... > http://www.twelvetribes.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Tue Sep 2 15:07:12 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Sep 2 15:07:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Earthtone References: <011701c90d21$83993eb0$6501a8c0@DellInspiron><005301c90d24$be9d66a0$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local><000601c90d25$b51038a0$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> <200809021841.m82IfICF024333@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <0a7801c90d2f$1bb2b390$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Earthtone drives customers from the internet to your store. We provide you with a search-optimised storefront that enhances your online visibility and gives your business an enterprise-spec ecommerce capability that's full of features that help you attract online buyers. Oh, in case you were wondering, we're offering you all this for free. Isn't that nice? That sounds like the program my yellow pages rep was just pitching me on. Their web site, using Google optimized searching critia and Yahoo Adwords would drive traffic to my site, for only $150 per month. Yeah, I'm thinking I'll just stick with brown. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From cpc at clearnet.net Tue Sep 2 15:19:05 2008 From: cpc at clearnet.net (Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc.) Date: Tue Sep 2 15:19:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for Sons of the American Legion Logo Message-ID: <48BD91A9.7060103@clearnet.net> Does anyone have vector art of the full color version of the Sons of the American Legion logo that they would be willing to share? TIA Randy Hurley Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 17 South Third Street P.O. Box 23 Clearfield, PA 16830 814-765-4731 Fax: 814-765-1380 cpc@clearnet.net From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Tue Sep 2 15:44:48 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Tue Sep 2 15:46:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: cleaning HP inkjet cartridges? In-Reply-To: <20080902174323.EA29F105FE27@rb.enter.net> References: <20080902174323.EA29F105FE27@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <000BE2A5-B481-4086-A929-867398894D8D@sheergraphics.com> ..... Any thoughts on a source for clips? ..... I'm assuming that you are writing of HP C8842A size cartridges, if so, then from your friendly fellow printer of course! Please confirm the cartridge size and - I'll have a couple or so mailed to you. > We store ours in tupperware, with a wet cloth in the container, but I > haven't been able to find clips to cover the jets. Apparently, > humidity alone is not sufficient. Any thoughts on a source for clips? > > Steve >> I'm surprised that genuine H-P cartridges clog. We changed from >> Collins Ink for that very reason. >> >> In between mailings, we store the cartridges in a small plastic >> Tupperware sort of container. The jets are sealed with a plastic clip >> device that came with HP cartridges purchased for our 60" wide ink- >> jet. This sealed plastic tub has a damp sponge at the bottom. The >> cartridges have never clogged since w started this procedure some >> years ago. >> >>> I'm trying to address a mailing, and I can't seem to put together >>> enough working ink cartridges. >>> >>> Any advice on cleaning (partially to wholly) clogged HP cartriges? >> > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From char at themasterspress.com Tue Sep 2 20:04:11 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue Sep 2 20:04:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Recommendation for B&W Copier needed In-Reply-To: <48BD838E.6060003@cordesprinting.com> References: <48BD838E.6060003@cordesprinting.com> Message-ID: Mark I have no idea what is the best one out there but I am getting ready to buy a Konica 1050. All the looking and testing I could do for the last 6 months that is the conclusion I have come to. It is a good heavy duty machine, everyone I have talked to that has one has loved it and says it is a workhorse. The halftones are good although I think the very early ones they were not good and they made some changes on the machine. It runs up to 300 gsm and sometimes I need that. It also runs 12 x 18 sheets which is also something I keep needing. Not very many run the 12 x 18 sheets. You get the NAQP pricing on it which is good. Danka no longer sells Canon machines. They can service the ones they have sold but can no longer sell them. However they do sell the Konica and that at this point is the way I am heavily leaning. They will match the NAQP pricing and the service seems to really be excellent here in Dallas. The booklet maker on this machine is outstanding. Will do a 200 page book. And until I saw it I did not believe it. It does a better job than my $100M Horizon booklet maker. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Cordes Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 1:19 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Recommendation for B&W Copier needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Our lease on our Canon IR9070 is coming up next year and I want to start the process of looking at alternatives now. Overall the 9070 has been ok -- not great but ok. I have not been overly pleased with the service from Canon however. Speed-wise the 9070 serves our needs so I'm not looking to go to a high speed, feature packed box which will cost me more. What machines have you been pleased with? How about service? I realize service varies around the country so I will have to do my homework locally on that. I believe Danka also handles Canon -- at least they did in the past. The features our 9070 has which I would like on the next machine include the booklet finisher, 3 hole punch, stapler, cover inserter, high capacity side drawer which handles up to 11x17. The only thing we cannot do and I don't need to either is the letter folder. We have the Fiery rip on it with Command Work Station. Thanks for your thoughts! Mark Mark Cordes Cordes Printing, Inc. 460 Braen Avenue Wyckoff, NJ 07481 201.652.7272 mark@cordesprinting.com www.cordesprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3408 (20080902) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3409 (20080902) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From andrew.flamm at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 21:55:20 2008 From: andrew.flamm at gmail.com (Andy Flamm) Date: Tue Sep 2 21:55:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] MNA Newsletter Message-ID: FYI, the MNA newsletter should be coming in Thursday a.m. I should have thought to check our paper supply, since we will need to print it before the 7200 is de-installed on Friday for the move. Please find the 17" cream and let me know if we need more, in which case I'll have it courier-ed from xpedx. Thanks. A -- Cedar Business Printing 345 Cedar Street, Suite 256 Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101 651-293-3904 voice 651-293-3905 fax andy@CedarBusinessPrinting.com www.CedarBusinessPrinting.com From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Wed Sep 3 00:05:55 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Wed Sep 3 00:06:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] MNA Newsletter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59FD923E-E3C0-4250-8A7E-609AE950D7A5@bellsouth.net> Andy, Thanks for the head up! I'll check my supply of cream paper as well, just in case you run out! : ) Don't you hate it when you send an email to the wrong person, or in this case, a whole list! I'll look for some cream paper in the morning, just in case you need it! Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Sep 2, 2008, at 9:55 PM, Andy Flamm wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > FYI, the MNA newsletter should be coming in Thursday a.m. I should > have > thought to check our paper supply, since we will need to print it > before the > 7200 is de-installed on Friday for the move. Please find the 17" > cream and > let me know if we need more, in which case I'll have it courier-ed > from > xpedx. Thanks. > > A > > -- > Cedar Business Printing > 345 Cedar Street, Suite 256 > Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101 > > 651-293-3904 voice > 651-293-3905 fax > > andy@CedarBusinessPrinting.com > www.CedarBusinessPrinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From jdaghir at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 08:45:02 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Wed Sep 3 08:45:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] cleaning HP inkjet cartridges? In-Reply-To: <48BC5865.9669.267C44EC@slb.inkspot.net> References: <48BC5865.9669.267C44EC@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <83d5b9620809030545p5146ca33if705e91245762257@mail.gmail.com> I sometimes put the cartridge upside down underneath a running stream of hot water from the faucet for a few minutes. This usually works however it does take several purge cycles aftwards to get the ink density back up. I have also read that soaking in hot ammonia works well but I haven't tried that yet. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Steve said: > I'm trying to address a mailing, and I can't seem to put together > enough working ink cartridges. > > Any advice on cleaning (partially to wholly) clogged HP cartriges? From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Wed Sep 3 09:05:00 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Harkins) Date: Wed Sep 3 09:05:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Recommendation for B&W Copier needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 9/2/08 7:04 PM, "Charlene Sims" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Mark I have no idea what is the best one out there but I am getting ready to > buy a Konica 1050. All the looking and testing I could do for the last 6 > months that is the conclusion I have come to. It is a good heavy duty > machine, everyone I have talked to that has one has loved it and says it is > a workhorse. The halftones are good although I think the very early ones > they were not good and they made some changes on the machine. It runs up to > 300 gsm and sometimes I need that. It also runs 12 x 18 sheets which is > also something I keep needing. Not very many run the 12 x 18 sheets. You > get the NAQP pricing on it which is good. We have had a 1050 for a little over two years now and love it. We regularly put between 250 & 300k on it per month and push all of the limits as far as coverage, halftones, etc. The booklet making is wonderful. Only a few glitches along the way that our service guy has been able to solve. Hope this helps. Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From stalprint at charter.net Wed Sep 3 09:18:23 2008 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Wed Sep 3 09:18:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Neet source to print price book Message-ID: <48BE8E9F.1040606@charter.net> If anyone can do this or knows a good wholesale vendor, please contact me off list. Have a price book that is 52 inside pages (think it is 80 lb book) and perfect bound cover (think it is 100 lb. cover) All process color 15,000 books finish 8 1/2 x 11 3 hole punch pdf supplied Customer is now buying direct for about $ 1.15 per book plus freight. -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From slb at inkspot.net Wed Sep 3 10:17:06 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Sep 3 10:17:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Suggestion for political posts In-Reply-To: <6A8725A9-4F38-47B1-8A9D-E9F9D675975A@eos.net> References: , <0a4001c90d24$74fb4da0$6900a8c0@DANIEL>, <6A8725A9-4F38-47B1-8A9D-E9F9D675975A@eos.net> Message-ID: <48BE6422.24785.2E7A1D38@slb.inkspot.net> For those printers interested in discussing politics, there's already a forum for that. Check out pong-politics@googlegroups.com Yes, we're all tempted to answer political posts with which we disagree (I'm certainly among the offenders), and, yes, this list is really supposed to be about printing, and those things that affect our printing businesses (which explains some of the political postings), so maybe we ought to move the rest to another forum... Just a thought... Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From slb at inkspot.net Wed Sep 3 10:23:22 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Sep 3 10:23:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Recommendation for B&W Copier needed In-Reply-To: <48BD838E.6060003@cordesprinting.com> References: <48BD838E.6060003@cordesprinting.com> Message-ID: <48BE659A.3950.2E7FDD05@slb.inkspot.net> If halftone quality is an issue, you might consider something with higher-than-600x600 print resolution. As far as I know, that means one of the machines from X that uses their 1200/2400 dpi imaging engine (4110, 4112, 4590, 4595). YMMV, Steve > > Our lease on our Canon IR9070 is coming up next year and I want to start > the process of looking at alternatives now. Overall the 9070 has been ok > -- not great but ok. I have not been overly pleased with the service > from Canon however. Speed-wise the 9070 serves our needs so I'm not > looking to go to a high speed, feature packed box which will cost me > more. What machines have you been pleased with? How about service? I > realize service varies around the country so I will have to do my > homework locally on that. I believe Danka also handles Canon -- at least > they did in the past. > > The features our 9070 has which I would like on the next machine include > the booklet finisher, 3 hole punch, stapler, cover inserter, high > capacity side drawer which handles up to 11x17. The only thing we cannot > do and I don't need to either is the letter folder. We have the Fiery > rip on it with Command Work Station. > > Thanks for your thoughts! > > Mark > > Mark Cordes > > Cordes Printing, Inc. > 460 Braen Avenue > Wyckoff, NJ 07481 > > 201.652.7272 > > mark@cordesprinting.com > > www.cordesprinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3409 (20080902) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Sep 3 11:06:23 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Sep 3 11:08:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Suggestion for political posts In-Reply-To: <48BE6422.24785.2E7A1D38@slb.inkspot.net> References: <0a4001c90d24$74fb4da0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <6A8725A9-4F38-47B1-8A9D-E9F9D675975A@eos.net> <48BE6422.24785.2E7A1D38@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <200809031508.m83F8NtS011002@i2bnetworks.com> yeah, and if you're a lib, wear your Kevlar. S. At 07:17 AM 9/3/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >For those printers interested in discussing politics, there's already >a forum for that. Check out > >pong-politics@googlegroups.com > >Yes, we're all tempted to answer political posts with which we >disagree (I'm certainly among the offenders), and, yes, this list is >really supposed to be about printing, and those things that affect >our printing businesses (which explains some of the political >postings), so maybe we ought to move the rest to another forum... > >Just a thought... > >Steve > >Steve Blatman >Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >Tel: 610-647-0776 >Fax: 610-647-4560 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3411 (20080903) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed Sep 3 11:12:39 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed Sep 3 11:13:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Suggestion for political posts In-Reply-To: <200809031508.m83F8NtS011002@i2bnetworks.com> References: <0a4001c90d24$74fb4da0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <6A8725A9-4F38-47B1-8A9D-E9F9D675975A@eos.net> <48BE6422.24785.2E7A1D38@slb.inkspot.net> <200809031508.m83F8NtS011002@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <8CADBEEA385C1F2-6E0-10FB@FWM-M21.sysops.aol.com> : ) LOL Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Cappel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:06 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Suggestion for political posts ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? yeah, and if you're a lib, wear your Kevlar.? ? S.? ? ? At 07:17 AM 9/3/2008, you wrote:? >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? >For those printers interested in discussing politics, there's already? >a forum for that. Check out? >? >pong-politics@googlegroups.com? >? >Yes, we're all tempted to answer political posts with which we? >disagree (I'm certainly among the offenders), and, yes, this list is? >really supposed to be about printing, and those things that affect? >our printing businesses (which explains some of the political? >postings), so maybe we ought to move the rest to another forum...? >? >Just a thought...? >? >Steve? >? >Steve Blatman? >Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.? >14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA? >Tel: 610-647-0776? >Fax: 610-647-4560? >? >_______________________________________________? >PrintOwners Di scussion List? >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? >__________ NOD32 3411 (20080903) Information __________? >? >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.? >http://www.eset.com? ? _____________________________________________? ? Scott Cappel? ? Sorrento Mesa Printing? 7398 Trade Street? San Diego, CA 92121-2422? 858-527-0800? 858-527-1740 FAX? http://www.sorrentomesa.com? ? LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa? ? Direct Links for Learning:? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html? ? Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider? Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider? Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level? Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider? ? Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com Wed Sep 3 11:13:45 2008 From: Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com (Gerry Engelhart) Date: Wed Sep 3 11:14:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Gluing continuous forms Message-ID: <03c301c90dd7$aa575670$7000000a@Engelhart> We messed up big time. New Customer ordered continuous forms. We were fixing his problem of the forms comming undone. Crimping was not enough They needed to be glued. Unfortunately the CSR wrote glue as part of the body copy with no emphesis that this was a key component of the job. Of course when we ordered the forms, this got lost and was never communicated to the manufacturer. Anyone have a source on a company that can edge glue 10,000 continuous forms? I know that there are guys out there that "repair" theses types of problems, but do not know whom? Since these are NCR, can they be glued with NCR padding compound? Any ideas Thanks Gerry Engelhart Porath Printsource Sunny Cleveland Ohio From kevin at abfprints.com Wed Sep 3 11:09:14 2008 From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko) Date: Wed Sep 3 11:18:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Konica 1050 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <748899FC1BA9419F86BE03ACFB2AFCD6@abf.local> Speaking of the 1050, we have had ours for about 9 months and have had great success with it. The only problem we have had is printing on 25% rag paper, Linen and Laid stocks. They DO NOT print very well. The 1050 doesn't seem to be able to get a good "impression" on any stock that has a porous or uneven texture, and yes we have tried all the different paper settings. We end up printing these jobs on the 6500. Any of you other 1050 users experiencing this...? Kevin Danko Advantage Business Forms 102 N. Riverside Ave. Rialto, CA 92376 Phone: (909) 875-7163 Fax: (909) 875-7971 www.abfprints.com E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cyndy Harkins Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 6:05 AM To: PrintOwners List Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Recommendation for B&W Copier needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On 9/2/08 7:04 PM, "Charlene Sims" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Mark I have no idea what is the best one out there but I am getting ready to > buy a Konica 1050. All the looking and testing I could do for the last 6 > months that is the conclusion I have come to. It is a good heavy duty > machine, everyone I have talked to that has one has loved it and says it is > a workhorse. The halftones are good although I think the very early ones > they were not good and they made some changes on the machine. It runs up to > 300 gsm and sometimes I need that. It also runs 12 x 18 sheets which is > also something I keep needing. Not very many run the 12 x 18 sheets. You > get the NAQP pricing on it which is good. We have had a 1050 for a little over two years now and love it. We regularly put between 250 & 300k on it per month and push all of the limits as far as coverage, halftones, etc. The booklet making is wonderful. Only a few glitches along the way that our service guy has been able to solve. Hope this helps. Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Wed Sep 3 11:52:16 2008 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Wed Sep 3 11:50:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Recommendation for B&W Copier needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002d01c90ddd$0a494fc0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Charlene & others with the heavy duty booklet maker on their laser printers, Do these heavy duty booklet makers have a 3 knife trim or just the face trim? If it only face trims, do you find yourself stitching booklets with bleeds offline, or do you stitch and face trim them online and then trim the head and toe on the cutter? Since we have a Speed Vac with a booklet maker, we ordered our 650 and with the entry level booklet maker. It seems that most of our saddle-stitch booklet jobs have bleeds. Assuming you have a way to saddle-stitch books off-line, do you find yourself stitching on-line or off-line for the majority of your booklets? Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 7:04 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Recommendation for B&W Copier needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Mark I have no idea what is the best one out there but I am getting ready to buy a Konica 1050. All the looking and testing I could do for the last 6 months that is the conclusion I have come to. It is a good heavy duty machine, everyone I have talked to that has one has loved it and says it is a workhorse. The halftones are good although I think the very early ones they were not good and they made some changes on the machine. It runs up to 300 gsm and sometimes I need that. It also runs 12 x 18 sheets which is also something I keep needing. Not very many run the 12 x 18 sheets. You get the NAQP pricing on it which is good. Danka no longer sells Canon machines. They can service the ones they have sold but can no longer sell them. However they do sell the Konica and that at this point is the way I am heavily leaning. They will match the NAQP pricing and the service seems to really be excellent here in Dallas. The booklet maker on this machine is outstanding. Will do a 200 page book. And until I saw it I did not believe it. It does a better job than my $100M Horizon booklet maker. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Cordes Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 1:19 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Recommendation for B&W Copier needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Our lease on our Canon IR9070 is coming up next year and I want to start the process of looking at alternatives now. Overall the 9070 has been ok -- not great but ok. I have not been overly pleased with the service from Canon however. Speed-wise the 9070 serves our needs so I'm not looking to go to a high speed, feature packed box which will cost me more. What machines have you been pleased with? How about service? I realize service varies around the country so I will have to do my homework locally on that. I believe Danka also handles Canon -- at least they did in the past. The features our 9070 has which I would like on the next machine include the booklet finisher, 3 hole punch, stapler, cover inserter, high capacity side drawer which handles up to 11x17. The only thing we cannot do and I don't need to either is the letter folder. We have the Fiery rip on it with Command Work Station. Thanks for your thoughts! Mark Mark Cordes Cordes Printing, Inc. 460 Braen Avenue Wyckoff, NJ 07481 201.652.7272 mark@cordesprinting.com www.cordesprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3408 (20080902) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3409 (20080902) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed Sep 3 13:04:33 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed Sep 3 13:05:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Price Check on Aisle Invit's Message-ID: <8CADBFE45624BAA-608-73B@FWM-M29.sysops.aol.com> 600 4/4 Invitations digitally printed on coated stock cut & scored. 67? high or low? Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com From falconprinting at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 13:13:47 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Wed Sep 3 13:14:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Price Check on Aisle Invit's In-Reply-To: <8CADBFE45624BAA-608-73B@FWM-M29.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: What size? Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Tommy Melendez > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:04:33 -0400 > To: > Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Price Check on Aisle Invit's > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > 600 4/4 Invitations digitally printed on coated stock cut & scored. 67? > high or low? > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cpurvine1 at cox.net Wed Sep 3 13:29:06 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Wed Sep 3 13:29:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Price Check on Aisle Invit's In-Reply-To: <8CADBFE45624BAA-608-73B@FWM-M29.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CADBFE45624BAA-608-73B@FWM-M29.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <00fd01c90dea$910bd570$6401a8c0@coranew> What size, what stock????? Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 12:05 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Price Check on Aisle Invit's ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** 600 4/4 Invitations digitally printed on coated stock cut & scored. 67? high or low? Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3412 (20080903) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 13:30:17 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Sep 3 13:30:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Price Check on Aisle Invit's In-Reply-To: <8CADBFE45624BAA-608-73B@FWM-M29.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CADBFE45624BAA-608-73B@FWM-M29.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0809031030p1312d527nd905ac5d39872a39@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Tommy Melendez wrote: > > 600 4/4 Invitations digitally printed on coated stock cut & scored. 67? high > or low? What does your customer say? A friend of mine recently called to tell me that his daughter picked out Thank You cards for her wedding that cost $10 each! She bought them from one of the 24 retail invitation printing departments for which my wife is director. These operations, while they sell across the full range of price points, regularly sell multi-dollar-each invitations. Now, I could ask: size? stock? and other technical questions. But the only question that matters is: is the value there for your customer? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed Sep 3 13:33:15 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed Sep 3 13:33:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Price Check on Aisle Invit's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CADC02474E74D2-608-97D@FWM-M29.sysops.aol.com> Crap sorry 5 x 7. Also forgot to mention that this is trade work. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Borzou Azabdaftari To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 1:13 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Price Check on Aisle Invit's ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** What size? Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Tommy Melendez > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:04:33 -0400 > To: > Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Price Check on Aisle Invit's > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > 600 4/4 Invitations digitally printed on coated stock cut & scored. 67? > high or low? > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter .net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed Sep 3 13:44:54 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed Sep 3 13:45:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Price Check on Aisle Invit's In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0809031030p1312d527nd905ac5d39872a39@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CADBFE45624BAA-608-73B@FWM-M29.sysops.aol.com> <98f5b19a0809031030p1312d527nd905ac5d39872a39@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CADC03E8758A12-608-A6B@FWM-M29.sysops.aol.com> Hey Michael. Customer hasn't replied yet! it's the value that is the principle here. I know she can get them done at a printer for less, but not in three days! Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Vogel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 1:30 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Price Check on Aisle Invit's ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Tommy Melendez wrote: > > 600 4/4 Invitations digitally printed on coated stock cut & scored. 67? high > or low? What does your customer say? A friend of mine recently called to tell me that his daughter picked out Thank You cards for her wedding that cost $10 each! She bought them from one of the 24 retail invitation printing departments for which my wife is director. These operations, while they sell across the full range of price points, regularly sell multi-dollar-each invitations. Now, I could ask: size? stock? and other technical questions. But the only question that matters is: is the value there for your customer? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fa x 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Sep 3 14:43:56 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Sep 3 14:44:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Experience with appealing property appraisals Message-ID: I am in the midst of fighting what is almost surely a lost cause, but nonetheless I would really like to hear from anyone who has successfully appealed a property assessment on their commercial property. In Florida, the Property Appraiser's office as well as its function and purpose is distinctly different and separate from the legal taxing authorities such as county boards, etc. The assessed value of our property has increased 33% between 07 and 08, and I would love to talk with someone who has gone through all the red tape in fighting that size of an increase. You can email me privately if you want. Thanks. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Wed Sep 3 15:46:35 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Wed Sep 3 15:47:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] MICR font Message-ID: I have a project for a local bank. We print something the size of a check and then they would encode it with an account number with a micr font. We are now going to print the account number. I got the font from a website and it looks fine on screen. When I go to print the text becomes boxes. When I create a pdf nothing shows. I did not purchase the font but got a trial download. Do you think that is the problem? If so, I'll gladly buy the font but didn't want to until I made sure, with the customer, that all is OK. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Wed Sep 3 16:05:01 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Wed Sep 3 16:05:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 9 x 12 Tan Catalog Envelopes In-Reply-To: <200806192328.m5JNSHgU026777@i2bnetworks.com> References: <200806192328.m5JNSHgU026777@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: I need 500 9 x 12 Tan Catalog Envelopes for a one time job. Someone mentioned a site awhile back about a company that sold odds & ends for specialty papers. Of course, I forgot to write it down... Does anyone remember this site, or have 500 of these leftover from something that they would like to sell? Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 From clc at crownmax.com Wed Sep 3 16:07:26 2008 From: clc at crownmax.com (clc) Date: Wed Sep 3 16:07:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Gluing continuous forms In-Reply-To: <03c301c90dd7$aa575670$7000000a@Engelhart> References: <03c301c90dd7$aa575670$7000000a@Engelhart> Message-ID: They CANNOT be glued with padding compound, it is a different coating on the paper because it came from roll stock. I know that sounds crazy but based on actual experience it will not stick. Continuous Forms Inc now owned by Microforms in Detroit area used to have a machine that could insert into the line holes a very small piece of green tape spaced about every 2 or 3 holes. It held the forms together very well and could be a solution. I don't know if the have the machine. An additional run through a crimper can sometimes tie together enough to be used as a snapout once burst apart I am assuming that is the reason for line glue. Microforms 810-939-7900 Sterling Heights, MI Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road Dunbar, WV 25064 1-800-252-40111 www.crownmax.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Engelhart Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:14 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Gluing continuous forms ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We messed up big time. New Customer ordered continuous forms. We were fixing his problem of the forms comming undone. Crimping was not enough They needed to be glued. Unfortunately the CSR wrote glue as part of the body copy with no emphesis that this was a key component of the job. Of course when we ordered the forms, this got lost and was never communicated to the manufacturer. Anyone have a source on a company that can edge glue 10,000 continuous forms? I know that there are guys out there that "repair" theses types of problems, but do not know whom? Since these are NCR, can they be glued with NCR padding compound? Any ideas Thanks Gerry Engelhart Porath Printsource Sunny Cleveland Ohio _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From si at ria.net Wed Sep 3 16:18:20 2008 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Wed Sep 3 16:19:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 9 x 12 Tan Catalog Envelopes In-Reply-To: References: <200806192328.m5JNSHgU026777@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20080903131955.E1A69C8D@sj1-dm102.mta.everyone.net> At 04:05 PM 9/3/2008, Ben Travis wrote: >I need 500 9 x 12 Tan Catalog Envelopes for a one time job. Western States has several options and probably can ship to you from their Erlanger, KY warehouse. 800-354-9806 http://www.westernstatesenvelope.com Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From zapit at zapcolor.com Wed Sep 3 17:11:47 2008 From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Wed Sep 3 17:11:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Experience with appealing property appraisals in Hurricane Florida In-Reply-To: <20080903205459.9A7C11062FE8@rb.enter.net> References: <20080903205459.9A7C11062FE8@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <20031186-6AFB-4F1C-9F39-1FB9D1DB710E@zapcolor.com> You have a brand new building, what are you complaining about??? Everyone likes to make fun of California, but our personal AND business property tax can not go up more than 2% per year, from the original purchase price. Of course once sold, the new owner pays at the new price, and you have to pay CapGains, but oh well. Maybe move the building to Corona? Seriously, there should be a "reputable" company that would do that service, but you may want to be careful in case there is some ramification if you sell for much more than a "win" appraisal in a year or 2, if I were the tax assessor, I would come after you for taxes & penalties! One of those be careful what you wish for. Case in point, one of our friends bought a $300,000 motorhome in CA but said they were keeping it in Arizona to not pay CA sales tax, 7.75%, well after fighting and "winning", California tax guys turned them in to Arizona, who then promptly charged them AZ sales tax. Not sure if they got interest and penalties, but the win was short lived. On Sep 3, 2008, at 1:54 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I am in the midst of fighting what is almost surely a lost cause, but > nonetheless I would really like to hear from anyone who has > successfully appealed a > property assessment on their commercial property. > > In Florida, the Property Appraiser's office as well as its function > and > purpose is distinctly different and separate from the legal taxing > authorities > such as county boards, etc. The assessed value of our property has > increased > 33% between 07 and 08, and I would love to talk with someone who > has gone > through all the red tape in fighting that size of an increase. > > You can email me privately if you want. Thanks. > > Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Wed Sep 3 17:29:48 2008 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Wed Sep 3 17:29:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Experience with appealing property appraisals inHurricane Florida In-Reply-To: <20031186-6AFB-4F1C-9F39-1FB9D1DB710E@zapcolor.com> Message-ID: <009001c90e0c$319da060$5b01a8c0@fileserver> Why on earth would you not want to pay more taxes? Just think of all the government services you will short change if you win. I will bet you are one of those dirty old conservatives aren't you or as some say neo-con. Children will starve because of your stingy ways. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com From sos at olympus.net Wed Sep 3 18:03:27 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Sep 3 18:04:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Experience with appealing property appraisal References: <009001c90e0c$319da060$5b01a8c0@fileserver> Message-ID: <0bfd01c90e10$e5142ca0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Pierce" > Why on earth would you not want to pay more taxes? Just think of all the > government services you will short change if you win. I will bet you are > one > of those dirty old conservatives aren't you or as some say neo-con. > Children will starve because of your stingy ways. ================== Yeah, you tell 'em Ed. It's an honor to pay taxes. Big time. It's especially an honor to pay your business property taxes, at least in the State of Washington you owe on every desk, every stapler, your phone, the computer I'm typing this on. And of course it IS the government's business to know if you buy a stapler or not. Or a chair. More to the point, no I've never challenged a property assessment, but lots of people are lately as assessments have gone up and property values have started to go down. I would think you'd have to spend some time at the assessor's office looking up comparable sales and comparable properties valuations to get some data. Then make an appointment with board of appeals and present your data. Around here properties are re-evaluated every four years and a 33% increase is pretty mild. A lot of people have seen over 100% increase. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Sep 3 18:35:33 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Sep 3 18:35:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Employee pay question Message-ID: <8852056D-9FF5-44B2-99E7-EFE3AF9BD4EE@protypeonline.com> Here is a statement in my existing employee handbook that is being questioned by one of my employees: "Employees will not earn over-time pay in the same pay period they have used or received paid time-off. They will be paid for all hours worked in the pay period, however, additional hours will not qualify for the overtime pay rate of 1.5 times the employees normal hourly rate." NOW....this statement appears under the heading of PAID HOLIDAYS. The previous heading is PAID VACATIONS and the two below paid holidays are PAID SICK LEAVE. Sooooooo, does this statement ONLY apply to paid holidays? Should it only apply to paid holidays or should it also apply to ANY paid time off? IF an employee plans to take off a couple vacation days during a very busy time and they come back and need to work overtime to catch up, should I, the employer pay them for the time off and then overtime pay to catch up? Would you? Do you? And then I remember Wayne Yada and maybe even Scott Cappel telling me many years ago -- not to make a problem where one does not exist and....aren't your good employees worth a few more dollars here and there. And it was very good advice that I have tried to follow. Do I leave the statement, revise or completely remove. Why was it there in the first place? Because I had an employee that always took paid vacation time off, came back to work and worked late every night trying to catch back up. Honestly, I can see both sides of this issue but wonder how others view this situation. :) Robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Sep 3 18:42:33 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Sep 3 18:42:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Experience with appealing property appraisal Message-ID: In a message dated 9/3/2008 6:05:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sos@olympus.net writes: Around here properties are re-evaluated every four years and a 33% increase is pretty mild. A lot of people have seen over 100% increase. Remember Dan that the 33% I mentioned is in one year and that was the property value assessment. The actual property taxes, because of increased millage, actually increased approx. 40%. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Sep 3 18:47:02 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Sep 3 18:47:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Experience with appealing property appraisals in Hurric... Message-ID: In a message dated 9/3/2008 5:13:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, zapit@zapcolor.com writes: You have a brand new building, what are you complaining about??? Hey, it's no newer than it was a year ago. To appraise a piece of property at $X in 2007 and then appraise it at $3.3X the very next year just isn't logical, let alone fair! The strange thing, from a political science position, is that the appraiser's office is typically independent of taxing authorities and it should never be of their concern that there is a need for more dollars.... the method used to assess property ought to be fair and Consistent. A 33% increase in one year is, on the face of it, neither fair or consistent. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From slb at inkspot.net Wed Sep 3 18:53:41 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Sep 3 18:53:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Suggestion for political posts In-Reply-To: <200809031508.m83F8NtS011002@i2bnetworks.com> References: , <48BE6422.24785.2E7A1D38@slb.inkspot.net>, <200809031508.m83F8NtS011002@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <48BEDD35.24370.30531235@slb.inkspot.net> I don't mind wearing Kevlar. I don't like having to use asbestos corks. In my experience, while some on that forum might feel the need for the former, I have yet to see a need for the latter. YMMV, Steve > > > yeah, and if you're a lib, wear your Kevlar. > > S. > > > > > At 07:17 AM 9/3/2008, you wrote: > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >For those printers interested in discussing politics, there's already > >a forum for that. Check out > > > >pong-politics@googlegroups.com > > > >Yes, we're all tempted to answer political posts with which we > >disagree (I'm certainly among the offenders), and, yes, this list is > >really supposed to be about printing, and those things that affect > >our printing businesses (which explains some of the political > >postings), so maybe we ought to move the rest to another forum... > > > >Just a thought... > > > >Steve > > > >Steve Blatman > >Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > >14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > >Tel: 610-647-0776 > >Fax: 610-647-4560 > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >__________ NOD32 3411 (20080903) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.eset.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3412 (20080903) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From billg at TGAssociates.com Wed Sep 3 18:53:22 2008 From: billg at TGAssociates.com (Bill Greif) Date: Wed Sep 3 18:55:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Employee pay question In-Reply-To: <8852056D-9FF5-44B2-99E7-EFE3AF9BD4EE@protypeonline.com> References: <8852056D-9FF5-44B2-99E7-EFE3AF9BD4EE@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <027501c90e17$ddd41430$6301a8c0@BILL> Robin, The paid time off counts against the normal 40 in the work week. Any hours over 40 are overtime and must be paid at 1.5 times normal. The only exception that I could see is if you allowed them to reimburse their paid time off account to the extent they worked hours over 40. But it must all be in the same pay period. So if they worked 6 hours of overtime, you would only charge them 10 hours of paid time off for the two days they were gone. I think that provision in your manual needs to be revised. Bill Greif TG & Associates billg@tgassociates.com www.tgassociates.com Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 Toll Free 877-842-7762 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:36 PM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Employee pay question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Here is a statement in my existing employee handbook that is being questioned by one of my employees: "Employees will not earn over-time pay in the same pay period they have used or received paid time-off. They will be paid for all hours worked in the pay period, however, additional hours will not qualify for the overtime pay rate of 1.5 times the employees normal hourly rate." NOW....this statement appears under the heading of PAID HOLIDAYS. The previous heading is PAID VACATIONS and the two below paid holidays are PAID SICK LEAVE. Sooooooo, does this statement ONLY apply to paid holidays? Should it only apply to paid holidays or should it also apply to ANY paid time off? IF an employee plans to take off a couple vacation days during a very busy time and they come back and need to work overtime to catch up, should I, the employer pay them for the time off and then overtime pay to catch up? Would you? Do you? And then I remember Wayne Yada and maybe even Scott Cappel telling me many years ago -- not to make a problem where one does not exist and....aren't your good employees worth a few more dollars here and there. And it was very good advice that I have tried to follow. Do I leave the statement, revise or completely remove. Why was it there in the first place? Because I had an employee that always took paid vacation time off, came back to work and worked late every night trying to catch back up. Honestly, I can see both sides of this issue but wonder how others view this situation. :) Robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From slb at inkspot.net Wed Sep 3 18:56:16 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Sep 3 18:56:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Recommendation for B&W Copier needed In-Reply-To: <002d01c90ddd$0a494fc0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> References: , <002d01c90ddd$0a494fc0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Message-ID: <48BEDDD0.11209.30556F06@slb.inkspot.net> When we do a booklet with bleeds, we do the head and foot trims on the flat sheets, and the face trim on the bookletmaker. Of course, we're producing flat sheets on our digital printer, and using an off- line Duplo collater-bookletmaker setup. This way, we can still print 5.5x8.5 booklets 2-up, with the attendant advantage in click charges. YMMV, Steve > > Charlene & others with the heavy duty booklet maker on their laser printers, > > Do these heavy duty booklet makers have a 3 knife trim or just the face > trim? > > If it only face trims, do you find yourself stitching booklets with bleeds > offline, or do you stitch and face trim them online and then trim the head > and toe on the cutter? > > Since we have a Speed Vac with a booklet maker, we ordered our 650 and with > the entry level booklet maker. It seems that most of our saddle-stitch > booklet jobs have bleeds. Assuming you have a way to saddle-stitch books > off-line, do you find yourself stitching on-line or off-line for the > majority of your booklets? > > Mitch Eaton > The Printing Station > 1420 Locust Street > Des Moines, IA 50309 > 515-243-8144 > 866-866-7414 > Fax 515-243-6540 > mitch.eaton@printingstation.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 7:04 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Recommendation for B&W Copier needed > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Mark I have no idea what is the best one out there but I am getting ready to > buy a Konica 1050. All the looking and testing I could do for the last 6 > months that is the conclusion I have come to. It is a good heavy duty > machine, everyone I have talked to that has one has loved it and says it is > a workhorse. The halftones are good although I think the very early ones > they were not good and they made some changes on the machine. It runs up to > 300 gsm and sometimes I need that. It also runs 12 x 18 sheets which is > also something I keep needing. Not very many run the 12 x 18 sheets. You > get the NAQP pricing on it which is good. > > > Danka no longer sells Canon machines. They can service the ones they have > sold but can no longer sell them. However they do sell the Konica and that > at this point is the way I am heavily leaning. They will match the NAQP > pricing and the service seems to really be excellent here in Dallas. > > The booklet maker on this machine is outstanding. Will do a 200 page book. > And until I saw it I did not believe it. It does a better job than my $100M > Horizon booklet maker. > ch > > Charlene Sims > President > The Master's Press, Inc. > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > www.TheMastersPress.com > char@themasterspress.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Cordes > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 1:19 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Recommendation for B&W Copier needed > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Our lease on our Canon IR9070 is coming up next year and I want to start > the process of looking at alternatives now. Overall the 9070 has been ok > -- not great but ok. I have not been overly pleased with the service > from Canon however. Speed-wise the 9070 serves our needs so I'm not > looking to go to a high speed, feature packed box which will cost me > more. What machines have you been pleased with? How about service? I > realize service varies around the country so I will have to do my > homework locally on that. I believe Danka also handles Canon -- at least > they did in the past. > > The features our 9070 has which I would like on the next machine include > the booklet finisher, 3 hole punch, stapler, cover inserter, high > capacity side drawer which handles up to 11x17. The only thing we cannot > do and I don't need to either is the letter folder. We have the Fiery > rip on it with Command Work Station. > > Thanks for your thoughts! > > Mark > > Mark Cordes > > Cordes Printing, Inc. > 460 Braen Avenue > Wyckoff, NJ 07481 > > 201.652.7272 > > mark@cordesprinting.com > > www.cordesprinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 3408 (20080902) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 3409 (20080902) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3412 (20080903) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From slb at inkspot.net Wed Sep 3 19:01:09 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Sep 3 19:01:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Experience with appealing property appraisals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48BEDEF5.20016.3059E5CC@slb.inkspot.net> We've successfully appealed our residential assessment, but comparables were very easy to find, since we're in a development of substantially identical houses. Commercial property is, I understand, a different matter--you rarely have easy, straightforward comparables. Have you spoken with a commercial real estate appraiser? It seems to me that you'd almost have to go that way.... Steve > > I am in the midst of fighting what is almost surely a lost cause, but > nonetheless I would really like to hear from anyone who has successfully appealed a > property assessment on their commercial property. > > In Florida, the Property Appraiser's office as well as its function and > purpose is distinctly different and separate from the legal taxing authorities > such as county boards, etc. The assessed value of our property has increased > 33% between 07 and 08, and I would love to talk with someone who has gone > through all the red tape in fighting that size of an increase. > > You can email me privately if you want. Thanks. > > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3412 (20080903) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From slb at inkspot.net Wed Sep 3 19:11:57 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Sep 3 19:12:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 9 x 12 Tan Catalog Envelopes In-Reply-To: References: , <200806192328.m5JNSHgU026777@i2bnetworks.com>, Message-ID: <48BEE17D.26637.3063CA13@slb.inkspot.net> You could try Announcement Converters....I know they do some odd 9x12s. www.announcementconverters.com, I think. Steve > > I need 500 9 x 12 Tan Catalog Envelopes for a one time job. > > Someone mentioned a site awhile back about a company that sold odds & > ends for specialty papers. > > Of course, I forgot to write it down... > > Does anyone remember this site, or have 500 of these leftover from > something that they would like to sell? > > Thanks, > > Ben Travis > > Copy Express > 4004-A South Blvd. > Charlotte, NC 20209 > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net > 704-527-1750 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3412 (20080903) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From joe at calagaz.com Wed Sep 3 19:25:40 2008 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Wed Sep 3 19:25:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Employee pay question Message-ID: That is the exact opposite of our policy. Ie this week Monday was a paid holiday and the employees will be paid 8 hours of holiday pay and then they will be paid for the time they worked and they do not add together. We have been doing this for about 52 years and have not had an issue. Why did you use the term "must". In Alabama paid holidays are considered a "benefit" and are not governed by the wage and hour board. The way we understand it (and we have been challenged over the years) is that what ever our "policy" is for the benefit the policy governs how it is handled. And we have the same "policy" for vacation time as well..... Joe Calagaz Calagaz Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bill Greif Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 5:53 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Employee pay question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Robin, The paid time off counts against the normal 40 in the work week. Any hours over 40 are overtime and must be paid at 1.5 times normal. The only exception that I could see is if you allowed them to reimburse their paid time off account to the extent they worked hours over 40. But it must all be in the same pay period. So if they worked 6 hours of overtime, you would only charge them 10 hours of paid time off for the two days they were gone. I think that provision in your manual needs to be revised. Bill Greif TG & Associates billg@tgassociates.com www.tgassociates.com Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 Toll Free 877-842-7762 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:36 PM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Employee pay question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Here is a statement in my existing employee handbook that is being questioned by one of my employees: "Employees will not earn over-time pay in the same pay period they have used or received paid time-off. They will be paid for all hours worked in the pay period, however, additional hours will not qualify for the overtime pay rate of 1.5 times the employees normal hourly rate." NOW....this statement appears under the heading of PAID HOLIDAYS. The previous heading is PAID VACATIONS and the two below paid holidays are PAID SICK LEAVE. Sooooooo, does this statement ONLY apply to paid holidays? Should it only apply to paid holidays or should it also apply to ANY paid time off? IF an employee plans to take off a couple vacation days during a very busy time and they come back and need to work overtime to catch up, should I, the employer pay them for the time off and then overtime pay to catch up? Would you? Do you? And then I remember Wayne Yada and maybe even Scott Cappel telling me many years ago -- not to make a problem where one does not exist and....aren't your good employees worth a few more dollars here and there. And it was very good advice that I have tried to follow. Do I leave the statement, revise or completely remove. Why was it there in the first place? Because I had an employee that always took paid vacation time off, came back to work and worked late every night trying to catch back up. Honestly, I can see both sides of this issue but wonder how others view this situation. :) Robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Wed Sep 3 19:26:32 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Wed Sep 3 19:26:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Employee pay question In-Reply-To: <20080903225540.DEF3D106348B@rb.enter.net> References: <20080903225540.DEF3D106348B@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: "..... paid time off counts against the normal 40 in the work week." ..... I'm confused. Surely the law requires overtime rates of pay after 40 hours WORKED in one week, not after 40 hours PAID per week. We often pay for 40 hours, even though the employee has only WORKED for 32 hours. He took one day off as a vacation day. If he WORKED more than 32 hours, we certainly would not pay him overtime merely because he was PAID 40 hours. > Robin, > > The paid time off counts against the normal 40 in the work week. Any > hours > over 40 are overtime and must be paid at 1.5 times normal. > > The only exception that I could see is if you allowed them to > reimburse > their paid time off account to the extent they worked hours over 40. > But it > must all be in the same pay period. So if they worked 6 hours of > overtime, > you would only charge them 10 hours of paid time off for the two > days they > were gone. > > I think that provision in your manual needs to be revised. > > Bill Greif > TG & Associates > billg@tgassociates.com > www.tgassociates.com > Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 > Toll Free 877-842-7762 Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From sos at olympus.net Wed Sep 3 19:37:50 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Sep 3 19:39:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Experience with appealing property appraisal References: Message-ID: <0c1c01c90e1e$14741750$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > Remember Dan that the 33% I mentioned is in one year and that was the > property value assessment. The actual property taxes, because of increased > millage, > actually increased approx. 40%. ==================== Of course, there won't be anything you can do about the millage, other than vote the rascals out, but the assessment can be challenged, but you need some data to present at the hearing. Assuming you can find data that shows your assessment was higher than other comparable properties. I'd start with a visit to your friendly local assessors office. Big news in the paper today was the local county is over budget due to falling sales taxes, real estate excise taxes and higher county pay levels as dictated by union rules. With an election approaching, two commissioners running, that'll be talked about ad nauseum. Now if they start dropping the value of property, and with a limit on how fast they can raise the millage, or tax rate, (6% per year maximum) the ol' county could be in real trouble. The past decades of growth in government has all relied on ever increasing property taxes levied on ever increasing property values. It would be a really fundamental change if property values really continue to drop. The local schools have been going through that for several years, as rich retired people are replacing families. The schools are funded on a so much per student basis, as students dry up, funding dries up. Ask me about the "war against working people" around here sometime. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Sep 3 19:54:32 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Sep 3 19:54:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Experience with appealing property appraisal Message-ID: In a message dated 9/3/2008 7:40:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sos@olympus.net writes: Assuming you can find data that shows your assessment was higher than other comparable properties. I'd start with a visit to your friendly local assessors office. No I can't show that it was higher than comparables.... the computer search system is excellent, and while I can find minor comparability differences the key issue comes down to the fact that most commercial property in this county was assessed at anywhere between 30-50% higher in the past year! What do you do with that? John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From slb at inkspot.net Wed Sep 3 19:58:15 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Sep 3 19:58:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Experience with appealing property appraisal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48BEEC57.7412.308E2CCB@slb.inkspot.net> The easy shot would be to show that you're assessed disproportionately higher than comparable commercial property. Failing that, I think you'd have to show that recent assessments are disproportionately higher than was customary, with respect to actual value. That approach would probably enrich a few lawyers before your assessment realigned with reality.... Not sure what I'd do.... Steve > > > > In a message dated 9/3/2008 7:40:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > sos@olympus.net writes: > > Assuming you can find data that shows > your assessment was higher than other comparable properties. > I'd start with a visit to your friendly local assessors office. > > > > No I can't show that it was higher than comparables.... the computer search > system is excellent, and while I can find minor comparability differences the > key issue comes down to the fact that most commercial property in this > county was assessed at anywhere between 30-50% higher in the past year! What do > you do with that? > > John Stewart > The Quick Consultant > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > 321-727-2442 > FAX 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > > Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > By Larry Hunt and myself. > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3412 (20080903) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From billg at TGAssociates.com Wed Sep 3 20:16:59 2008 From: billg at TGAssociates.com (Bill Greif) Date: Wed Sep 3 20:19:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Employee pay question In-Reply-To: References: <20080903225540.DEF3D106348B@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <02ac01c90e23$8c614940$6301a8c0@BILL> Hi again, Simon is correct. My first message was in error under the law. You are not obligated to count the vacation hours as time worked under the FLSA. Bill Greif TG & Associates billg@tgassociates.com www.tgassociates.com Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 Toll Free 877-842-7762 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Simon Sheers Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 4:27 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Employee pay question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** "..... paid time off counts against the normal 40 in the work week." ..... I'm confused. Surely the law requires overtime rates of pay after 40 hours WORKED in one week, not after 40 hours PAID per week. We often pay for 40 hours, even though the employee has only WORKED for 32 hours. He took one day off as a vacation day. If he WORKED more than 32 hours, we certainly would not pay him overtime merely because he was PAID 40 hours. > Robin, > > The paid time off counts against the normal 40 in the work week. Any > hours over 40 are overtime and must be paid at 1.5 times normal. > > The only exception that I could see is if you allowed them to > reimburse their paid time off account to the extent they worked hours > over 40. > But it > must all be in the same pay period. So if they worked 6 hours of > overtime, you would only charge them 10 hours of paid time off for the > two days they were gone. > > I think that provision in your manual needs to be revised. > > Bill Greif > TG & Associates > billg@tgassociates.com > www.tgassociates.com > Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 Toll Free 877-842-7762 Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From billg at TGAssociates.com Wed Sep 3 20:26:31 2008 From: billg at TGAssociates.com (Bill Greif) Date: Wed Sep 3 20:28:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Employee pay question In-Reply-To: References: <20080903225540.DEF3D106348B@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <02b401c90e24$e11aa0c0$6301a8c0@BILL> Hi again again, Simon is correct that the paid time off hours are not counted in calculating the work week, but if the real hours worked exceed 40, then OT must be paid. The provision in Robin's manual says they would never receive OT pay if they took paid time off. But for example this week Labor day was paid time off for some. If upon their return they work an additional 45 hours then they would receive 1.5 times regular pay for the 5 hours. Bill Greif TG & Associates billg@tgassociates.com www.tgassociates.com Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 Toll Free 877-842-7762 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Simon Sheers Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 4:27 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Employee pay question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** "..... paid time off counts against the normal 40 in the work week." ..... I'm confused. Surely the law requires overtime rates of pay after 40 hours WORKED in one week, not after 40 hours PAID per week. We often pay for 40 hours, even though the employee has only WORKED for 32 hours. He took one day off as a vacation day. If he WORKED more than 32 hours, we certainly would not pay him overtime merely because he was PAID 40 hours. > Robin, > > The paid time off counts against the normal 40 in the work week. Any > hours over 40 are overtime and must be paid at 1.5 times normal. > > The only exception that I could see is if you allowed them to > reimburse their paid time off account to the extent they worked hours > over 40. > But it > must all be in the same pay period. So if they worked 6 hours of > overtime, you would only charge them 10 hours of paid time off for the > two days they were gone. > > I think that provision in your manual needs to be revised. > > Bill Greif > TG & Associates > billg@tgassociates.com > www.tgassociates.com > Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 Toll Free 877-842-7762 Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bill at werkheiser.com Wed Sep 3 20:32:58 2008 From: bill at werkheiser.com (Bill Werkheiser) Date: Wed Sep 3 20:33:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Old Quark Files In-Reply-To: <200808290506.m7T56EdC089223@i2bnetworks.com> References: <9BD063BDA2F645CBAB4B44C1D2940782@ebilliotPC> <48B772B7.4000808@werkheiser.com> <200808290506.m7T56EdC089223@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <48BF2CBA.8090907@werkheiser.com> Thanks Scott, this did the trick. Bill Werkheiser http://WeLoveToPrint.com SE PrinTech / Coastal Mailing Services P O Box 27 - 315 E Banks St. Glennville, GA 30427 (912) 654-3610 phone (912) 654-3611 fax Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Wow, haven't heard about this one in many years. > > This is a very old known issue and you don't really want to hear the > whole story but lets just say this is a Markzware issue from long ago. > > Go here: http://tinyurl.com/5amazd > > download the Kill pasteboard XT extension for your appropriate version > install it and then relaunch Quark and your files should open. > > Talk about a blast from the past..... > > S. > > > > At 08:53 PM 8/28/2008, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> We have a book that was printed in 1998 from Quark. It is multiple >> files consisting of a total of 1,000 pages, all black ink, 1/1 >> >> Customer wants to reprint but we cannot open the file. We are getting >> a "pasteboard extension error". We lean heavily toward the Adobe side >> and haven't kept up with Quark as well. We do have a fairly current >> version of Quark but it will not open the files. If any of you are >> capable of opening this and creating pdfs for us, we would be happy >> to compensate you. I am at my home computer, so please respond to >> bill@welovetoprint.com >> >> Bill Werkheiser >> http://WeLoveToPrint.com >> SE PrinTech / Coastal Mailing Services >> P O Box 27 - 315 E Banks St. >> Glennville, GA 30427 >> (912) 654-3610 phone >> (912) 654-3611 fax >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3397 (20080828) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 3400 (20080829) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Sep 3 20:41:53 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Sep 3 20:41:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Employee Pay Question Message-ID: Simon, you state, " Surely the law requires overtime rates of pay after 40 hours WORKED in one week, not after 40 hours PAID per week." I believe that is the point I was making or trying to make - if an employee has 16 hours (2 days) of PAID time off and then WORKS 27 hours (3 days plus 3 hours) then do I pay the extra 3 hours at the overtime rate? I would think not because the employee has not WORKED over 40 hours. Shouldn't there be a distinction from WORKING hours and PAID hours? ???? Robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From bill at werkheiser.com Wed Sep 3 20:45:43 2008 From: bill at werkheiser.com (Bill Werkheiser) Date: Wed Sep 3 20:46:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Experience with appealing property appraisals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48BF2FB7.8060400@werkheiser.com> John, not in Florida but I just went though this. Our county was way behind in updating, as in 10 years, so everyone got hit with increases. Some of my properties went up as much as 200%. I made an appointment, was very non combative and got major reductions on four properties and two smaller reductions. Two were commercial, four were residential. Pretty much got everything I asked for. The key is doing your your homework. In my case, the values were heavily weighted toward standard calculations rather than comparable sales which made for an easy argument. Bill Werkheiser http://WeLoveToPrint.com SE PrinTech / Coastal Mailing Services P O Box 27 - 315 E Banks St. Glennville, GA 30427 (912) 654-3610 phone (912) 654-3611 fax QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am in the midst of fighting what is almost surely a lost cause, but > nonetheless I would really like to hear from anyone who has successfully appealed a > property assessment on their commercial property. > > In Florida, the Property Appraiser's office as well as its function and > purpose is distinctly different and separate from the legal taxing authorities > such as county boards, etc. The assessed value of our property has increased > 33% between 07 and 08, and I would love to talk with someone who has gone > through all the red tape in fighting that size of an increase. > > You can email me privately if you want. Thanks. > > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3412 (20080903) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > From char at themasterspress.com Wed Sep 3 21:07:10 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Wed Sep 3 21:07:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Employee Pay Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Peachtree is the payroll program I use with the specific state laws for the payroll programs. If someone uses vacation, sick or time off, it does not calculate overtime. It pays straight time. It is not in my employee manual - to me that is just the law. That is the way the payroll system is set up. If it is one day, after that day of straight pay it goes to overtime. Sometimes I think it is not fair because they go on vacation and work their tails off so they can leave and don't get the overtime, but I just leave it at that. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 7:42 PM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Employee Pay Question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Simon, you state, " Surely the law requires overtime rates of pay after 40 hours WORKED in one week, not after 40 hours PAID per week." I believe that is the point I was making or trying to make - if an employee has 16 hours (2 days) of PAID time off and then WORKS 27 hours (3 days plus 3 hours) then do I pay the extra 3 hours at the overtime rate? I would think not because the employee has not WORKED over 40 hours. Shouldn't there be a distinction from WORKING hours and PAID hours? ???? Robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3412 (20080903) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3412 (20080903) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From char at themasterspress.com Wed Sep 3 21:08:06 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Wed Sep 3 21:08:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Employee pay question In-Reply-To: <02b401c90e24$e11aa0c0$6301a8c0@BILL> References: <20080903225540.DEF3D106348B@rb.enter.net> <02b401c90e24$e11aa0c0$6301a8c0@BILL> Message-ID: Bill that is exactly what Peachtree program would do. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bill Greif Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 7:27 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Employee pay question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hi again again, Simon is correct that the paid time off hours are not counted in calculating the work week, but if the real hours worked exceed 40, then OT must be paid. The provision in Robin's manual says they would never receive OT pay if they took paid time off. But for example this week Labor day was paid time off for some. If upon their return they work an additional 45 hours then they would receive 1.5 times regular pay for the 5 hours. Bill Greif TG & Associates billg@tgassociates.com www.tgassociates.com Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 Toll Free 877-842-7762 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Simon Sheers Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 4:27 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Employee pay question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** "..... paid time off counts against the normal 40 in the work week." ..... I'm confused. Surely the law requires overtime rates of pay after 40 hours WORKED in one week, not after 40 hours PAID per week. We often pay for 40 hours, even though the employee has only WORKED for 32 hours. He took one day off as a vacation day. If he WORKED more than 32 hours, we certainly would not pay him overtime merely because he was PAID 40 hours. > Robin, > > The paid time off counts against the normal 40 in the work week. Any > hours over 40 are overtime and must be paid at 1.5 times normal. > > The only exception that I could see is if you allowed them to > reimburse their paid time off account to the extent they worked hours > over 40. > But it > must all be in the same pay period. So if they worked 6 hours of > overtime, you would only charge them 10 hours of paid time off for the > two days they were gone. > > I think that provision in your manual needs to be revised. > > Bill Greif > TG & Associates > billg@tgassociates.com > www.tgassociates.com > Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 Toll Free 877-842-7762 Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3412 (20080903) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3412 (20080903) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From bcreighton at danielsprinting.us Wed Sep 3 21:24:49 2008 From: bcreighton at danielsprinting.us (Bill) Date: Wed Sep 3 21:25:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Severance Pay Message-ID: <48BF38E1.6080200@danielsprinting.us> All: Is severance pay taxable as in regular pay? If I write an employee a severance check, do I treat as a regular payroll item? Maybe asked the same question twice, but wanted to be clear. On the other issue, if a holiday is paid, then the additional 30 or 24 hours worked are added and the employee gets a check for a normal non-OT week. If he takes vacation, then the vacation is used at his discretion to make up a 40 week. Thanks, Bill -- Bill Creighton Daniels Printing 2141 Priest Bridge Drive Suite 5 Crofton, MD 301.261.3426 From communicar at aol.com Wed Sep 3 21:43:33 2008 From: communicar at aol.com (Kenneth Azebu) Date: Wed Sep 3 21:43:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Employee Pay Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A96E1A1-D1CC-4AB8-B1D8-72BC07C01F1A@aol.com> Depends on your labor rules. In CA, it's OT after 40 hours AND 8 hours worked in a day. And if you want to get technical over 5 hours without a meal break. So, we sometimes pay OT even if the employee works less than 20 hours in a week. FWIW, Ken Azebu Communicart 499 Aldo Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408) 970-0922 Fax (408) 970-8630 On Sep 3, 2008, at 5:41 PM, Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Simon, > > you state, " Surely the law requires overtime rates of pay after 40 > hours WORKED in one week, not after 40 hours PAID per week." > > I believe that is the point I was making or trying to make - if an > employee has 16 hours (2 days) of PAID time off and then WORKS 27 > hours (3 days plus 3 hours) then do I pay the extra 3 hours at the > overtime rate? I would think not because the employee has not WORKED > over 40 hours. > > Shouldn't there be a distinction from WORKING hours and PAID hours? > > ???? > > Robin > > > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > Robin Niewold > robin@protypeonline.com > > > PAXTON > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > > NORMAL > 203 North Street > Normal, IL 61761 > 309.452.4409 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From bcreighton at danielsprinting.us Wed Sep 3 21:44:49 2008 From: bcreighton at danielsprinting.us (Bill) Date: Wed Sep 3 21:45:33 2008 Subject: SPAM-LOW: [PrintOwners] Severance Pay In-Reply-To: <48BF38E1.6080200@danielsprinting.us> References: <48BF38E1.6080200@danielsprinting.us> Message-ID: <48BF3D91.2000209@danielsprinting.us> Duh: Should be 30 or 32 hours per week. We have people on 4 - 10's and 5 - 8's. Bill Bill wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > All: > Is severance pay taxable as in regular pay? If I write an employee a > severance check, do I treat as a regular payroll item? > Maybe asked the same question twice, but wanted to be clear. > > > On the other issue, if a holiday is paid, then the additional 30 or 24 > hours worked are added and the employee gets a check for a normal > non-OT week. If he takes vacation, then the vacation is used at his > discretion to make up a 40 week. > > Thanks, > Bill > -- Bill Creighton Daniels Printing 2141 Priest Bridge Drive Suite 5 Crofton, MD 301.261.3426 From char at themasterspress.com Wed Sep 3 21:46:01 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Wed Sep 3 21:46:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Recommendation for B&W Copier needed In-Reply-To: <002d01c90ddd$0a494fc0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> References: <002d01c90ddd$0a494fc0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Message-ID: Mitch, right now I am doing my booklets off line with a face trim. The booklet maker on the 6500 and 1050, same one, is only face trim. To me it is pretty limiting, but it does such a good job folding, and the speed that I am going to get it on the b/w. The entry level booklet maker slows way down and makes it too painfully slow to use. So I did not even consider that as an option. It is much faster to do it offline. But the larger one does not slow down at all. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mitch Eaton Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:52 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Recommendation for B&W Copier needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Charlene & others with the heavy duty booklet maker on their laser printers, Do these heavy duty booklet makers have a 3 knife trim or just the face trim? If it only face trims, do you find yourself stitching booklets with bleeds offline, or do you stitch and face trim them online and then trim the head and toe on the cutter? Since we have a Speed Vac with a booklet maker, we ordered our 650 and with the entry level booklet maker. It seems that most of our saddle-stitch booklet jobs have bleeds. Assuming you have a way to saddle-stitch books off-line, do you find yourself stitching on-line or off-line for the majority of your booklets? Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 7:04 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Recommendation for B&W Copier needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Mark I have no idea what is the best one out there but I am getting ready to buy a Konica 1050. All the looking and testing I could do for the last 6 months that is the conclusion I have come to. It is a good heavy duty machine, everyone I have talked to that has one has loved it and says it is a workhorse. The halftones are good although I think the very early ones they were not good and they made some changes on the machine. It runs up to 300 gsm and sometimes I need that. It also runs 12 x 18 sheets which is also something I keep needing. Not very many run the 12 x 18 sheets. You get the NAQP pricing on it which is good. Danka no longer sells Canon machines. They can service the ones they have sold but can no longer sell them. However they do sell the Konica and that at this point is the way I am heavily leaning. They will match the NAQP pricing and the service seems to really be excellent here in Dallas. The booklet maker on this machine is outstanding. Will do a 200 page book. And until I saw it I did not believe it. It does a better job than my $100M Horizon booklet maker. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Cordes Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 1:19 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Recommendation for B&W Copier needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Our lease on our Canon IR9070 is coming up next year and I want to start the process of looking at alternatives now. Overall the 9070 has been ok -- not great but ok. I have not been overly pleased with the service from Canon however. Speed-wise the 9070 serves our needs so I'm not looking to go to a high speed, feature packed box which will cost me more. What machines have you been pleased with? How about service? I realize service varies around the country so I will have to do my homework locally on that. I believe Danka also handles Canon -- at least they did in the past. The features our 9070 has which I would like on the next machine include the booklet finisher, 3 hole punch, stapler, cover inserter, high capacity side drawer which handles up to 11x17. The only thing we cannot do and I don't need to either is the letter folder. We have the Fiery rip on it with Command Work Station. Thanks for your thoughts! Mark Mark Cordes Cordes Printing, Inc. 460 Braen Avenue Wyckoff, NJ 07481 201.652.7272 mark@cordesprinting.com www.cordesprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3408 (20080902) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3409 (20080902) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3412 (20080903) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3412 (20080903) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Sep 3 22:08:29 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Sep 3 22:08:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Employee Pay Question Message-ID: <58E97553-90EF-45E5-92C6-618A5549B5A5@protypeonline.com> Simon, Bill, Charlene and others, thank you -- I now understand perfectly! And, it makes perfect sense to me also. Charlene, employees that work hard are always noticed and rewarded for their extra efforts, so don't get me wrong on that! I've learned the hard way that once I've got a great employee, I need to do everything within my power to keep them! :) robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Thu Sep 4 03:18:33 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Thu Sep 4 03:18:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OT work after vacation Message-ID: We are different than others in this area.....any employee going on vacation has to have someone cover his/her position while they are gone. The vacation employee tells me who is going to be helping with his/her jobs, and when they get back from one or two weeks off, we are not behind......and the way I explain it to all my employees, they are very excited about doing this. It's a work/behavioral/management training/philosophical/fully integrated human being work in progress at my place. Robin, does this make sense? If not, here's a short version cuz you are in a hurry........ Getting caught up after a vacation doesn't happen in our store. I can't imagine work laying around, while someone is on vacation. Eliminate that procedure, and eliminate that paragraph from your manual. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Why was it there in the first place? Because I had an employee that always took paid vacation time off, came back to work and worked late every night trying to catch back up. Honestly, I can see both sides of this issue but wonder how others view this situation. :) Robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From acepm2 at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 05:05:59 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Thu Sep 4 05:06:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Experience with appealing property appraisals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: John, I'm in the midst of that currently. I have commercial property that the state appraised at $1.2 million. I had to pay the taxes on this property but immediately filed the necessary paperwork to question their infinite wisdom. We (my accountant and myself) met with the folks at the State Appraiser's Office. I asked, "I'm curious. Just how does the State of Maryland come up with the appraisal that they do?" "Mr. Gulyas, we have (blah! Blah!) program that after taking measurements of the outside of the building, we can determine the actual cost of the property." I replied "Interesting. I only spent just over $875,000.00 to build this. Here are my receipts, my cancelled checks, the copy of the contract with the builder and your own information taken from the COMAR code showing where you made a mistake!" It is something you just have to stay on. Can you believe that some folks actually think that we small business owners should just pay for everything like blind sheep? HA! I'll let you know within the next week or so how well we made out. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 2:43 PM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am in the midst of fighting what is almost surely a lost cause, but > nonetheless I would really like to hear from anyone who has successfully > appealed a > property assessment on their commercial property. > > In Florida, the Property Appraiser's office as well as its function and > purpose is distinctly different and separate from the legal taxing > authorities > such as county boards, etc. The assessed value of our property has > increased > 33% between 07 and 08, and I would love to talk with someone who has gone > through all the red tape in fighting that size of an increase. > > You can email me privately if you want. Thanks. > > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Sep 4 07:36:18 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Sep 4 07:36:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Experience with appealing property appraisals Message-ID: In a message dated 9/4/2008 5:07:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, acepm2@gmail.com writes: I replied "Interesting. I only spent just over $875,000.00 to build this. Here are my receipts, my cancelled checks, the copy of the contract with the builder and your own information taken from the COMAR code showing where you made a mistake!" Everyone seems to be missing the major issue in this case. It is not that that the appraisal might not be comparable with others, but the fact that virtually all commercial property appraisals increased between 35-50 in just the past 12 months. I am seeking the justification and authority or whatever for doing that. Compounding that is that in most states there is little relationship between appraised values and real market values. Appraised values tend to be much lower. It is a shell game used to raise taxes... raise the appraised value or raise the millage to produce the required income. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Thu Sep 4 08:49:46 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Harkins) Date: Thu Sep 4 08:50:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Employee Pay Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 9/3/08 7:41 PM, "Robin Niewold" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Simon, > > you state, " Surely the law requires overtime rates of pay after 40 > hours WORKED in one week, not after 40 hours PAID per week." > > I believe that is the point I was making or trying to make - if an > employee has 16 hours (2 days) of PAID time off and then WORKS 27 > hours (3 days plus 3 hours) then do I pay the extra 3 hours at the > overtime rate? I would think not because the employee has not WORKED > over 40 hours. > > Shouldn't there be a distinction from WORKING hours and PAID hours? Hi Robin, With the possible exception of California, my understanding was always that overtime is paid for hours actually worked in excess of 40 per week. Nebraska is a right to work state, so except for the child labor laws and requirements regarding overtime, the state doesn't care about much else, i.e.. You don't have to provide paid breaks, vacation, sick days, holidays, etc. I know that some people on the list (like you mentioned) feel that paying that way is splitting hairs. However, I have never had an employee get upset about "overtime" in a holiday or vacation week once the policy is explained. We have always paid on the basis of hours WORKED to figure overtime. Illinois law may be different, however, so that is where you have to start. Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From xeroid at kos.net Thu Sep 4 09:04:44 2008 From: xeroid at kos.net (Wayne) Date: Thu Sep 4 09:04:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] The Value of a Print Shop References: Message-ID: <005b01c90e8e$cda976f0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> Just curious in general what the value of a print shop is if you were to sell. Does someone have a general guide? I know it is complicated, but in general what is the quide line. FOR EXAMPLE: The value of the equipment inside the 3 times the gross sales ? The value of the equipment inside plus the average profit in the past 3 years ? Wayne Stevenhaagen Kingston ON Canada From falconprinting at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 09:23:55 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Thu Sep 4 09:24:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] The Value of a Print Shop In-Reply-To: <005b01c90e8e$cda976f0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> Message-ID: I don't know print shop specifics, but from what I know about business, you'll be lucky to get last years sales. A 1 to 1 valuation is about as high as you'll see, and that's if you've had significant growth, and can convince the owner they can sustain that growth. Our equipment is replaced pretty quickly, and unless you own the building, there's not much else of significant value. If anyone wants to give me double last years sales my shop is yours. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Wayne > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:04:44 -0400 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: [PrintOwners] The Value of a Print Shop > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Just curious in general what the value of a print shop is if you were to > sell. Does someone have a general guide? I know it is complicated, but in > general what is the quide line. FOR EXAMPLE: > > The value of the equipment inside the 3 times the gross sales ? > > The value of the equipment inside plus the average profit in the past 3 > years ? > > Wayne Stevenhaagen > Kingston ON > Canada > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Sep 4 10:04:41 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Sep 4 10:06:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Employee Pay Question In-Reply-To: <9A96E1A1-D1CC-4AB8-B1D8-72BC07C01F1A@aol.com> References: <9A96E1A1-D1CC-4AB8-B1D8-72BC07C01F1A@aol.com> Message-ID: <200809041406.m84E6fx2047455@i2bnetworks.com> There has just been a court ruling to soften if not eliminate the 5 hour requirement. Its not OT, but the employee must be paid an hour if they work more than 5 hours in a single day (its a California thing) without a meal break .If there is no appeal of this ruling by year end then the 5 hour requirement for a meal break and the extra pay associated will be a thing of the past. Finally we win one. http://tinyurl.com/5gmb7y S. At 06:43 PM 9/3/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Depends on your labor rules. In CA, it's OT after 40 hours AND 8 hours >worked in a day. And if you want to get technical over 5 hours without >a meal break. So, we sometimes pay OT even if the employee works less >than 20 hours in a week. > >FWIW, > >Ken Azebu >Communicart >499 Aldo Avenue >Santa Clara, CA 95054 >(408) 970-0922 >Fax (408) 970-8630 > >On Sep 3, 2008, at 5:41 PM, Robin Niewold wrote: > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>Simon, >> >>you state, " Surely the law requires overtime rates of pay after 40 >>hours WORKED in one week, not after 40 hours PAID per week." >> >>I believe that is the point I was making or trying to make - if an >>employee has 16 hours (2 days) of PAID time off and then WORKS 27 >>hours (3 days plus 3 hours) then do I pay the extra 3 hours at the >>overtime rate? I would think not because the employee has not WORKED >>over 40 hours. >> >>Shouldn't there be a distinction from WORKING hours and PAID hours? >> >>???? >> >>Robin >> >> >>Pro-Type Printing, Inc. >>Robin Niewold >>robin@protypeonline.com >> >> >>PAXTON >>130 N. Market Street >>Paxton, IL 60957 >>217.379.4715 >> >>NORMAL >>203 North Street >>Normal, IL 61761 >>309.452.4409 >> >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3412 (20080903) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Sep 4 10:09:03 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Sep 4 10:11:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] The Value of a Print Shop In-Reply-To: <005b01c90e8e$cda976f0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> References: <005b01c90e8e$cda976f0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> Message-ID: <200809041411.m84EB3Xd048139@i2bnetworks.com> Buy the book: http://www.printshopsforsale.net/ and get your curiosity satisfied. S. At 06:04 AM 9/4/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Just curious in general what the value of a print shop is if you >were to sell. Does someone have a general guide? I know it is >complicated, but in general what is the quide line. FOR EXAMPLE: > >The value of the equipment inside the 3 times the gross sales ? > >The value of the equipment inside plus the average profit in the >past 3 years ? > >Wayne Stevenhaagen >Kingston ON >Canada > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3414 (20080904) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From championprinting at yahoo.com Thu Sep 4 10:14:27 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Thu Sep 4 10:14:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Severance Pay Message-ID: <25090.8123.qm@web38305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Severance Pay: Pay and Tax as Bonus Pay Vacation-Holiday/Overtime: Vacation or Holiday Pay does not count toward Overtime Pay Ted Gelletly Allegra Print & Imaging (formerly Champion Printing) 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@allegraeldersburg.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2008 9:44:49 PM Subject: Re: SPAM-LOW: [PrintOwners] Severance Pay ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Duh: Should be 30 or 32 hours per week. We have people on 4 - 10's and 5 - 8's. Bill Bill wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > All: > Is severance pay taxable as in regular pay? If I write an employee a > severance check, do I treat as a regular payroll item? > Maybe asked the same question twice, but wanted to be clear. > > > On the other issue, if a holiday is paid, then the additional 30 or 24 > hours worked are added and the employee gets a check for a normal > non-OT week. If he takes vacation, then the vacation is used at his > discretion to make up a 40 week. > > Thanks, > Bill > -- Bill Creighton Daniels Printing 2141 Priest Bridge Drive Suite 5 Crofton, MD 301.261.3426 From John at mpcny.com Thu Sep 4 10:50:25 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Thu Sep 4 10:50:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] :Re: Experience with appealing property In-Reply-To: <20080903225541.0252D106348D@rb.enter.net> References: <20080903225541.0252D106348D@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7014237E1202467DABE8A914C8470835@Leo4allPC> Got mine lowered 20%. I took photos and comparisons of the elected town official's places. Also all their relatives, who owned buildings in the town. They told me I was not fair as their places were not as nice as mine, bad location and was being vindictive, funny they then lowered it... John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From jodib at blackfoot.net Thu Sep 4 11:02:44 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Thu Sep 4 11:02:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] :Re: Experience with appealing property References: <20080903225541.0252D106348D@rb.enter.net> <7014237E1202467DABE8A914C8470835@Leo4allPC> Message-ID: <004701c90e9f$493af7c0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> very creative of you..... Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Henry" To: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:50 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] :Re: Experience with appealing property > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Got mine lowered 20%. I took photos and comparisons of the elected town > official's places. Also all their relatives, who owned buildings in the > town. > > They told me I was not fair as their places were not as nice as mine, bad > location and was being vindictive, funny they then lowered it... > > > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. > PO Box 815 > 125-129 East First Street > Oswego, NY 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 fax > (315) 532-0620 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 11:21:25 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Sep 4 11:21:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] The Value of a Print Shop In-Reply-To: <005b01c90e8e$cda976f0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> References: <005b01c90e8e$cda976f0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0809040821h4ccc25f3lc7b5fbed737f379f@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Wayne wrote: > > Just curious in general what the value of a print shop is if you were to > sell. Does someone have a general guide? I know it is complicated, but in > general what is the quide line. I find it remarkable that anyone who particpates in this forum is unaware of some of the most basic, valuable reference material available, especially when it is mentioned here so frequently. If you haven't read John Stewart's and Larry Hunt's book that is a definitive discussion of the subject (www.printshopsforsale.net), do that first and then come back and ask whatever informed questions you may have left. Perhaps we ought to make up and post a list of "required reading" necessary to be reasonably well (if not fully) informed about being in business and the business we're in. There are most definitely some basics that belong on everyone's bookshleves (after having read and absorbed them, of course). For starters, and in no particular order, my personal recommendations include: Dead Printer Working (Tom Crouser) Print Shop For Sale (Stewart & Hunt) The E Myth (and others by Michael Gerber) The most recent NAQP Operating Ratio Study How to Sell at Higher Prices Than Your Competitors (Larry Steinmetz) The above is by no means meant to be a complete list, but a good basic one. I hope others will add significant, important titles to it. As excellent and invaluable as this forum is, it is not a substitute for a basic education. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From sos at olympus.net Thu Sep 4 11:45:44 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Sep 4 11:48:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] The Value of a Print Shop References: <005b01c90e8e$cda976f0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> <200809041411.m84EB3Xd048139@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <0cda01c90ea5$4b35f5b0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > Buy the book: > > http://www.printshopsforsale.net/ > ======================== I second that motion. But if you want a very quick, rule of thumb valuation, it's owner's compensation (or net profit) times 3 to 5. That is if you make a $50,000 profit your shop is worth about $150,000 to $250,000 depending on general market conditions, growth record, how you present the business to a potential buyer, etc. The equipment has no value within the going concern business. It's only value is the profit it produces. If you break up the business, sell the accounts to another shop and then sell the equipment, it then has whatever value you can get for it, of course. But within the business itself, don't worry about equipment, or annual sales, or anything else. It's just 3 to 5 times net profits. Again, just a rule of thumb. Buy the book. Read it. Understand it. Pop the CD in your computer, fill out the valuation forms, and you'll get a much more accurate valuation. By the way, my truly sincere thanks to John Stewart and Larry Hunt for that book. It's really brings home what we should all be trying to do in our businesses. Creating value. Working through a couple valuations really shows you how what you do in your business impacts its value. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Sep 4 12:05:30 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Sep 4 12:05:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] The Value of a Print Shop Message-ID: In a message dated 9/4/2008 11:50:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sos@olympus.net writes: But if you want a very quick, rule of thumb valuation, it's owner's compensation (or net profit) times 3 to 5. That is if you make a $50,000 profit your shop is worth about $150,000 to $250,000 depending on general market conditions I would suggest two modifications.... earnings multiplier range really should be 2-5. We find many shops deserving multipliers below 3.0. On the other hand, a 5.0 would have to be a near perfect shop in all respects. The $50,000 profit noted above would have to be after a "fair market" salary for the owner. We call it excess earnings in our book. Note that we include as legitimate business expenses both depreciation and interest. We would also add to that the real world value of transferable net assets. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Thu Sep 4 12:26:17 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Thu Sep 4 12:26:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] emails and attachements Message-ID: <1321CAE1-1F40-45EA-A458-244FE83F6870@inkonpaper.biz> When I send Attachments to my email they show in the body of the text When I receive email attachment they sometime show in the body of the text and sometime show as icons How do I send them so they only show as icons? Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." - Plato From greg at pressexpress.org Mon Sep 1 12:33:11 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Thu Sep 4 12:33:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] The Value of a Print Shop In-Reply-To: <005b01c90e8e$cda976f0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> References: <005b01c90e8e$cda976f0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> Message-ID: I am sure Mr. Stewart will ante in. Get his book "print shop for sale". It covers all the theories as how people derive their asking price and gives a good basis to evaluate your own or another shop if you wish to purchase. Don't forget to ask John to wrap it in a brown paper bag. Greg On Sep 4, 2008, at 8:04 AM, Wayne wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Just curious in general what the value of a print shop is if you > were to sell. Does someone have a general guide? I know it is > complicated, but in general what is the quide line. FOR EXAMPLE: > > The value of the equipment inside the 3 times the gross sales ? > > The value of the equipment inside plus the average profit in the > past 3 years ? > > Wayne Stevenhaagen > Kingston ON > Canada > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Sep 4 12:40:15 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Sep 4 12:40:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] The Value of a Print Shop Message-ID: In a message dated 9/4/2008 12:34:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, greg@pressexpress.org writes: Don't forget to ask John to wrap it in a brown paper bag. Greg And Greg is serious about that. You won't believe some of the calls we got from owners who want the book shipped to their house, and or wanted reassurances that the name of the book would not appear on the envelope. I guess it would have been funny to somehow poly-wrap the books and then apply a label on the plastic.... I can just imagine the rumors that would immediately start to float around the shop as news of the book's arrival spreads. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From hal at pickimp.com Thu Sep 4 12:49:52 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Thu Sep 4 12:48:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] emails and attachements References: <1321CAE1-1F40-45EA-A458-244FE83F6870@inkonpaper.biz> Message-ID: <001301c90eae$43b67860$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Zip files. Hal From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Sep 4 13:01:35 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Sep 4 13:03:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] The Value of a Print Shop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200809041703.m84H3ZMl084732@i2bnetworks.com> Which brings up another good point. What is considered a realistic salary for the owner. I know it will vary greatly based on size of revenue and profitability, but what would you consider as a % of profits to be a rule of thumb for owner's salary? S. At 09:05 AM 9/4/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >In a message dated 9/4/2008 11:50:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >sos@olympus.net writes: > >But if you want a very quick, rule of thumb valuation, it's owner's >compensation (or net profit) times 3 to 5. >That is if you make a $50,000 profit your shop is worth about $150,000 to >$250,000 depending on general market conditions > > >I would suggest two modifications.... earnings multiplier range really >should be 2-5. We find many shops deserving multipliers below 3.0. >On the other >hand, a 5.0 would have to be a near perfect shop in all respects. > >The $50,000 profit noted above would have to be after a "fair market" salary >for the owner. We call it excess earnings in our book. Note that we include >as legitimate business expenses both depreciation and interest. > >We would also add to that the real world value of transferable net assets. > >John Stewart >Q. P. Consulting, Inc. >Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > >by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > >2110 S. Dairy Road >West Melbourne, FL 32904 >321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 >Cell: 321-794-6259 >_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) >"Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > >**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel >deal here. >(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3415 (20080904) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From braddpotter at juno.com Thu Sep 4 13:03:58 2008 From: braddpotter at juno.com (Brad Potter) Date: Thu Sep 4 13:05:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] The Value of a Print Shop Message-ID: <20080904.100358.3118.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Nah, the brown paper bag is no fun, you send to your competitor business addressed in such a way that the staff will see it first. Then the news will spread like wildfire, and the best employees will jump ship, maybe a few to your firm. Then you BUY the book from him at HIS going out of business sale. brad full sig below... From: Greg Weinfurter Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] The Value of a Print Shop To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes I am sure Mr. Stewart will ante in. Get his book "print shop for sale". It covers all the theories as how people derive their asking price and gives a good basis to evaluate your own or another shop if you wish to purchase. Don't forget to ask John to wrap it in a brown paper bag. Greg On Sep 4, 2008, at 8:04 AM, Wayne wrote: Brad Potter Printing Services Inc. www.myprintsource.net Your Printing Super Hero 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A Port Orchard, WA 98366 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! A US Military Vet, whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve is someone who at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to The United States of America for an amount of up to, and including his life. That is honor; and there are way too many people in this country who don't get that. ____________________________________________________________ Get everything you need to hook up your own wireless network by clicking now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3npyAjwkDiFNcfBuuf8RtClwtAwUQ7gaCsu8qsfHfNuAKFgg/ From mark at imageproprint.com Thu Sep 4 13:10:22 2008 From: mark at imageproprint.com (Mark) Date: Thu Sep 4 13:10:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Seminar Ideas In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0809040821h4ccc25f3lc7b5fbed737f379f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: We are planning a Grand Re-Opening to show off our newly remodeled building. As part of that, we want to offer some seminars for our better customers and would like some input on what others have done. We're considering seminars on: preparing digital files, paper options, & getting the most for your printing dollar. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks! Mark Rowley ImagePro Printing & Copying, Inc. 95 West Harding Ave. Cedar City, UT 84720 435-586-1105 435-586-0499 fax mark@imageproprint.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Sep 4 13:36:49 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Sep 4 13:36:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] The Value of a Print Shop Message-ID: In a message dated 9/4/2008 1:05:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: I know it will vary greatly based on size of revenue and profitability, but what would you consider as a % of profits to be a rule of thumb for owner's salary? The formula we have used to establish a bare minimum fair market salary for the owner is $14,000 + 4% of sales, the total of which is multiplied by 1.18 (or 18% is added) to cover fringe benefits, taxes, etc.) Consequently, a min. salary for a working owner/manager for a $1 million company would be $54,000 X 1.18 or approx. $63,700. Anything earned or produced above that would be considered excess earnings. I can tell you right off the bat that there are indeed $1 million dollar companies where not only are there no excess earnings but where the owner is unable to pay himself even our min. salary recommendations. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From mark at cordesprinting.com Thu Sep 4 13:51:13 2008 From: mark at cordesprinting.com (Mark Cordes) Date: Thu Sep 4 13:46:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Dealers vs. Going Direct Message-ID: <48C02011.80204@cordesprinting.com> It has often puzzled me that when dealing with copier companies you can either deal directly with the company (Xerox, Konica Minolta, Canon) or at least in some cases go through what I guess is a dealer (distributor?). This has happened to us a couple of times and I find it rather confusing. In this particular situation I am starting the process of looking at some Konica Minolta copier equipment. In our area I have 2 ways I can go as stated previously. Interestingly enough they are both located in Totowa, NJ at different addresses. At this point I figure I can play one against the other, however the bigger issue to me is who will offer me the best service. Cost of equipment and clicks doesn't mean a whole lot when I have to wait 24 hours or more for a service call as often happens with Canon who I am currently with. Have any others had similar experiences and what did you discover in the process? Mark Mark Cordes Cordes Printing, Inc. 460 Braen Avenue Wyckoff, NJ 07481 201.652.7272 mark@cordesprinting.com www.cordesprinting.com From sgfinke at fuse.net Thu Sep 4 14:28:29 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Thu Sep 4 14:25:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... In-Reply-To: <6A8725A9-4F38-47B1-8A9D-E9F9D675975A@eos.net> References: <0a4001c90d24$74fb4da0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <6A8725A9-4F38-47B1-8A9D-E9F9D675975A@eos.net> Message-ID: Scott: Here is your answer. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/ Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Scott Finke wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > OK, focusing on printing: > > Without starting a political hoopla-thread (although we could under > an OFF title ) has anyone heard much about either Presidential > candidate concerning their platforms on small business? > > JMc. has a section about it on his website that shows the 4-5 > things he would do to help small businesses (they talk about > healthcare costs, corp. tax rate and a first year deduction expense > on equipment investments. Also inheritance tax, which could effect > a business changeover. > > I am not going to quote it all, here's a link > > http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/smallbusiness.htm > > > I bumped into this Friday afternoon looking for the scoop on Palin. > > Anyone know what BHO has to say on such pertinent topics? > > > > > Scott Finke > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Phone: (513) 522.2679 > Fax (513) 522.2692 > Email: info@brentwood-printing.com > www.Brentwood-Printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Send us your file at: > http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > > On Sep 2, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> The primary reason a large number of folks >>> use the emergency room is they know it is or will be free and >>> they don't >>> have to pay a cent. They don't have to have insurance. >> ========================= >> >> Right. Their insurance is all the rest of us paying twice as much >> as any service would normally cost, OK maybe half again as much, >> so that hospitals don't go bankrupt over all the no pay emergency >> customers. >> We are clearly paying for everyone's medical care already. Why >> not just make it official. >> >> I voted for Mit Romney as the only GOP candidate who had real >> experience in implementing universal health care. I was ready to >> support Hillary. I'll be curious to see what Barak and John have >> to say about it. >> >> Of course that's just one issue, but as a business owner who buys >> $30,000 worth of health insurance every year, competing with other >> businesses who don't offer it at all, it's an issue I'm interested >> in. >> >> Dan Huntingford >> SOS Printing >> 2319 Washington Street >> Port Townsend, WA 98368 >> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >> sos@olympus.net >> (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From sgfinke at fuse.net Thu Sep 4 14:32:23 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Thu Sep 4 14:29:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Experience with appealing property appraisals In-Reply-To: <48BEDEF5.20016.3059E5CC@slb.inkspot.net> References: <48BEDEF5.20016.3059E5CC@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <5C8089F5-5E6F-42BC-BADA-EE3617217E0B@fuse.net> Well at least it didn't go down. We just had our building (which we bought, renovated, and moved into two years ago ) appraised so we could refinance, and the appraisal came back at less than we paid. Nice, eh? We just got it yesterday so we have to look over it carefully and make some phone calls to find out why it came out low. We had to pay over $1,000 for it, too. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Sep 3, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Steve Blatman wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We've successfully appealed our residential assessment, but > comparables were very easy to find, since we're in a development of > substantially identical houses. Commercial property is, I understand, > a different matter--you rarely have easy, straightforward > comparables. Have you spoken with a commercial real estate appraiser? > It seems to me that you'd almost have to go that way.... > > Steve > > >> >> I am in the midst of fighting what is almost surely a lost cause, but >> nonetheless I would really like to hear from anyone who has >> successfully appealed a >> property assessment on their commercial property. >> >> In Florida, the Property Appraiser's office as well as its >> function and >> purpose is distinctly different and separate from the legal >> taxing authorities >> such as county boards, etc. The assessed value of our property >> has increased >> 33% between 07 and 08, and I would love to talk with someone who >> has gone >> through all the red tape in fighting that size of an increase. >> >> You can email me privately if you want. Thanks. >> >> >> >> John Stewart >> Q. P. Consulting, Inc. >> Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http:// >> www.printshopsforsale.net/) >> >> by Larry Hunt & John Stewart >> >> 2110 S. Dairy Road >> West Melbourne, FL 32904 >> 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 >> Cell: 321-794-6259 >> _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) >> "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." >> >> >> >> **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find >> your travel >> deal here. >> (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3412 (20080903) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 4 14:37:21 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Thu Sep 4 14:37:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... In-Reply-To: References: <0a4001c90d24$74fb4da0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <6A8725A9-4F38-47B1-8A9D-E9F9D675975A@eos.net> Message-ID: <48C02AE1.2060209@satx.rr.com> The oil companies don't pay the windfall profits taxes. The last one the jug-head fro GA set us up with came out of the oil royalty checks of the land owners. People like my dad and myself. Any other taxes were passed on as a price increase to the consumer. I an not for the life of me see how anyone can run a business and be liberal. The whole platform is to take from them who worked to build wealth and give it to those who want to sit on their one bun and a duff. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Scott and Gail Finke wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Scott: > > Here is your answer. > > http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/ > > > > Gail Finke > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, OH 45231 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > (513) 522-2679 > Fax 522-2692 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > info@brentwood-printing.com > www.brentwood-printing.com > > From carole at wordcatering.com Thu Sep 4 14:35:09 2008 From: carole at wordcatering.com (Carole M. Rike) Date: Thu Sep 4 14:41:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Houma LA in the news. In-Reply-To: <002301c90c41$ddd485f0$6501a8c0@Y765TJ> References: <20080831.202014.3471.2@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> <002301c90c41$ddd485f0$6501a8c0@Y765TJ> Message-ID: <5EE98A148E0F486BA0F492AFFB402049@carol3ceeaab4a> Jace! Did you hear the reporter talking about whom-ah? Carole M. Rike Word Catering, Ltd. PRINTING SOLUTIONS 48299 Stafford Road . Tickfaw, LA 70466 -*** Looks like they are directly in the path of Gustav - I am probably one of the few on this list that has actually been to Houma - nice community - reminded me a lot of area that I now spend most of my time -- the lowcountry of South Carolina. Jace was a great host and I wish him and his family well through the storm. M __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3405 (20080901) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Sep 4 14:41:37 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Sep 4 14:41:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Experience with appealing property appraisals Message-ID: In a message dated 9/4/2008 2:31:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sgfinke@fuse.net writes: Well at least it didn't go down. We just had our building (which we bought, renovated, and moved into two years ago ) appraised so we could refinance, and the appraisal came back at less than we paid. The facts are that in most jurisdictions the appraised value of property as prepared by governmental entities has little relationship whatsoever to market value. In fact, the appraised value in most jurisdictions is significantly lower than real market value. It only exists as a benchmark against which other properties of similar value, etc. can be compared, as well as against which tax millage rates can be applied. Some times, the factor or percentage of appraised value to market value is publicized, and at other times it is not. It would indeed be very nice to know and to rely upon a government entity to appraise the value of property and provide a real market value, but the appraisals done in this county, this state and most other states bares little resemblance to reality. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Sep 4 14:44:24 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Sep 4 14:44:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... Message-ID: In a message dated 9/4/2008 2:38:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dennisewing@satx.rr.com writes: I an not for the life of me see how anyone can run a business and be liberal. You also have to understand that you/we are in a minority. Most people are not business owners and never will be, and their perspective on life and politics might be dramatically different than your own. I happen to consider myself a liberal on some issues, and a raving conservative on other issues... talk to me about freedom of the press and I am a radical... talk to me about women having children out of wedlock and the public paying for all those costs and I will be more conservative than you could ever imagine. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From slb at inkspot.net Thu Sep 4 14:46:51 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Sep 4 14:47:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Dealers vs. Going Direct In-Reply-To: <48C02011.80204@cordesprinting.com> References: <48C02011.80204@cordesprinting.com> Message-ID: <48BFF4DB.10059.34977210@slb.inkspot.net> We dealt directly with KM, via the NAQP pricing deal. A dealer offered to match the pricing, so I asked him what I considered the most important question. "The national deal is $.0x per click, with all sizes counted as one click. Will that be enough for you to give us the level of service we will need, or will we end up with you not able to service us because you're losing money on us?" In my case, that led to an honest discussion, which concluded with them telling me that, no, they couldn't service the machine for that amount of money, unless I was willing to go to double clicks for 11x17 over an agreed-upon monthly volume. The last thing you want to do is to put a dealer, upon whose service you depend, in the position of losing money on that service. It won't be good for you, the dealer, the manufacturer, or your customer. JMO, Steve > > It has often puzzled me that when dealing with copier companies you can > either deal directly with the company (Xerox, Konica Minolta, Canon) or > at least in some cases go through what I guess is a dealer > (distributor?). This has happened to us a couple of times and I find it > rather confusing. > > In this particular situation I am starting the process of looking at > some Konica Minolta copier equipment. In our area I have 2 ways I can go > as stated previously. Interestingly enough they are both located in > Totowa, NJ at different addresses. At this point I figure I can play one > against the other, however the bigger issue to me is who will offer me > the best service. Cost of equipment and clicks doesn't mean a whole lot > when I have to wait 24 hours or more for a service call as often happens > with Canon who I am currently with. > > Have any others had similar experiences and what did you discover in the > process? > > Mark > > Mark Cordes > > Cordes Printing, Inc. > 460 Braen Avenue > Wyckoff, NJ 07481 > > 201.652.7272 > > mark@cordesprinting.com > > www.cordesprinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3415 (20080904) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From brian at mousegraphics.com Thu Sep 4 14:57:42 2008 From: brian at mousegraphics.com (Brian Perkinson) Date: Thu Sep 4 14:57:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Experience with appealing property appraisals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C02FA6.3080104@mousegraphics.com> QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > > Everyone seems to be missing the major issue in this case. It is not that > that the appraisal might not be comparable with others, but the fact that > virtually all commercial property appraisals increased between 35-50 in just the > past 12 months. I am seeking the justification and authority or whatever for > doing that. > > Compounding that is that in most states there is little relationship between > appraised values and real market values. Appraised values tend to be much > lower. It is a shell game used to raise taxes... raise the appraised value or > raise the millage to produce the required income. Have you checked with any of the firms that do property tax appeals? They work on a contingency basis so it's worth pursuing. The people that did ours had all kinds of questions about the rent, if it's owner-occupied, asking price if it's for sale, income/expense info, etc. I think the last couple of years they did not appeal based on the info we provided. Several years before that I think they did get us some relief. Brian -- Brian Perkinson Mousegraphics 1414 W 14th St Tempe, AZ 85281 480-894-1992 1-888-88 MOUSE brian@mousegraphics.com www.mousegraphics.com From george at dahlquistprinting.com Thu Sep 4 15:05:07 2008 From: george at dahlquistprinting.com (George Dahlquist) Date: Thu Sep 4 15:07:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF... Jace is ok, gettin' political... References: <0a4001c90d24$74fb4da0$6900a8c0@DANIEL><6A8725A9-4F38-47B1-8A9D-E9F9D675975A@eos.net> Message-ID: <004201c90ec1$256bd270$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> Looks to me like the BHO "small business" plan is a joke. Also, by increasing taxes on corporations (which they claim pay little to no income taxes) it also appears that he intends to increase the amount paid by smaller S corps as well. Most of us probably don't pay much in the way of corporate income tax, however as we all know, all the profits flow through to the owners (us) and we then pay regular income tax on those monies. Just words? Words do mean something and you have to be careful how they are interpreted. Just my opinion folks. George Dahlquist Dahlquist Printing & Graphics Orlando, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott and Gail Finke" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Scott: > > Here is your answer. > > http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/ > > > > Gail Finke > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, OH 45231 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > (513) 522-2679 > Fax 522-2692 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > info@brentwood-printing.com > www.brentwood-printing.com > > > > > On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Scott Finke wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> OK, focusing on printing: >> >> Without starting a political hoopla-thread (although we could under an >> OFF title ) has anyone heard much about either Presidential candidate >> concerning their platforms on small business? >> >> JMc. has a section about it on his website that shows the 4-5 things he >> would do to help small businesses (they talk about healthcare costs, >> corp. tax rate and a first year deduction expense on equipment >> investments. Also inheritance tax, which could effect a business >> changeover. >> >> I am not going to quote it all, here's a link >> >> http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/smallbusiness.htm >> >> >> I bumped into this Friday afternoon looking for the scoop on Palin. >> >> Anyone know what BHO has to say on such pertinent topics? >> >> >> >> >> Scott Finke >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >> 8630 Winton Road >> Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> Phone: (513) 522.2679 >> Fax (513) 522.2692 >> Email: info@brentwood-printing.com >> www.Brentwood-Printing.com >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> Send us your file at: >> http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 2, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> The primary reason a large number of folks >>>> use the emergency room is they know it is or will be free and they >>>> don't >>>> have to pay a cent. They don't have to have insurance. >>> ========================= >>> >>> Right. Their insurance is all the rest of us paying twice as much as >>> any service would normally cost, OK maybe half again as much, so that >>> hospitals don't go bankrupt over all the no pay emergency customers. >>> We are clearly paying for everyone's medical care already. Why not >>> just make it official. >>> >>> I voted for Mit Romney as the only GOP candidate who had real >>> experience in implementing universal health care. I was ready to >>> support Hillary. I'll be curious to see what Barak and John have to >>> say about it. >>> >>> Of course that's just one issue, but as a business owner who buys >>> $30,000 worth of health insurance every year, competing with other >>> businesses who don't offer it at all, it's an issue I'm interested in. >>> >>> Dan Huntingford >>> SOS Printing >>> 2319 Washington Street >>> Port Townsend, WA 98368 >>> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >>> sos@olympus.net >>> (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From mark at cordesprinting.com Thu Sep 4 15:17:47 2008 From: mark at cordesprinting.com (Mark Cordes) Date: Thu Sep 4 15:14:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Dealers vs. Going Direct In-Reply-To: <48BFF4DB.10059.34977210@slb.inkspot.net> References: <48C02011.80204@cordesprinting.com> <48BFF4DB.10059.34977210@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <48C0345B.8010209@cordesprinting.com> Steve -- So the question I have is WHO is servicing your machine? Does KM through NAQP use your local guy to service the equipment? If not -- who? Mark Mark Cordes Cordes Printing, Inc. 460 Braen Avenue Wyckoff, NJ 07481 201.652.7272 mark@cordesprinting.com www.cordesprinting.com Steve Blatman wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We dealt directly with KM, via the NAQP pricing deal. A dealer > offered to match the pricing, so I asked him what I considered the > most important question. > > "The national deal is $.0x per click, with all sizes counted as one > click. Will that be enough for you to give us the level of service we > will need, or will we end up with you not able to service us because > you're losing money on us?" > > In my case, that led to an honest discussion, which concluded with > them telling me that, no, they couldn't service the machine for that > amount of money, unless I was willing to go to double clicks for > 11x17 over an agreed-upon monthly volume. > > The last thing you want to do is to put a dealer, upon whose service > you depend, in the position of losing money on that service. It won't > be good for you, the dealer, the manufacturer, or your customer. > > JMO, > Steve > > > >> It has often puzzled me that when dealing with copier companies you can >> either deal directly with the company (Xerox, Konica Minolta, Canon) or >> at least in some cases go through what I guess is a dealer >> (distributor?). This has happened to us a couple of times and I find it >> rather confusing. >> >> In this particular situation I am starting the process of looking at >> some Konica Minolta copier equipment. In our area I have 2 ways I can go >> as stated previously. Interestingly enough they are both located in >> Totowa, NJ at different addresses. At this point I figure I can play one >> against the other, however the bigger issue to me is who will offer me >> the best service. Cost of equipment and clicks doesn't mean a whole lot >> when I have to wait 24 hours or more for a service call as often happens >> with Canon who I am currently with. >> >> Have any others had similar experiences and what did you discover in the >> process? >> >> Mark >> >> Mark Cordes >> >> Cordes Printing, Inc. >> 460 Braen Avenue >> Wyckoff, NJ 07481 >> >> 201.652.7272 >> >> mark@cordesprinting.com >> >> www.cordesprinting.com >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3415 (20080904) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From slb at inkspot.net Thu Sep 4 15:34:34 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Sep 4 15:35:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Houma LA in the news. In-Reply-To: <5EE98A148E0F486BA0F492AFFB402049@carol3ceeaab4a> References: <20080831.202014.3471.2@webmail20.vgs.untd.com>, <002301c90c41$ddd485f0$6501a8c0@Y765TJ>, <5EE98A148E0F486BA0F492AFFB402049@carol3ceeaab4a> Message-ID: <48C0000A.17201.34C31F92@slb.inkspot.net> I am probably one of > the few on this list that has actually been to Houma - nice community - My older son went there once. He was in and around Baton Rouge for a few weeks as part of the relief effort after Katrina, as part of a contingent of 100 ambulances and crews. He and a partner drove to Houma one day, to transport a nursing-home patient from there, to somewhere north of Baton Rouge, where her family had taken refuge. Unfortunately, I didn't know he'd be in Houma until after the fact, so he didn't stop at Dooley's... Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From slb at inkspot.net Thu Sep 4 15:36:29 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Sep 4 15:37:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] need a couple of sources Message-ID: <48C0007D.21265.34C4E1FC@slb.inkspot.net> Need a good source for foil-and-ink pocket folders Also need a source for stick-on title blocks for architectural drawings. Any recommendations? Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Sep 4 15:36:50 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Sep 4 15:38:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... In-Reply-To: References: <0a4001c90d24$74fb4da0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <6A8725A9-4F38-47B1-8A9D-E9F9D675975A@eos.net> Message-ID: <200809041938.m84Jcp0c021480@i2bnetworks.com> In every sense of the word, a clueless, sad, joke. Written by people who have no clue what makes this country go. In celebration of Sarah's kick ass speech last night, today I'm putting on a Mcain/Palin bumper sticker on my V8 Gas guzzling white convertible Mustang to celebrate. They never saw her coming, and I can't wait to watch her to turn Biden into Moosebait. S. At 11:28 AM 9/4/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >Scott: > >Here is your answer. > >http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/ > > > >Gail Finke >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >8630 Winton Road >Cincinnati, OH 45231 >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >(513) 522-2679 >Fax 522-2692 >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >info@brentwood-printing.com >www.brentwood-printing.com > > > > >On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Scott Finke wrote: > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>OK, focusing on printing: >> >>Without starting a political hoopla-thread (although we could under >>an OFF title ) has anyone heard much about either Presidential >>candidate concerning their platforms on small business? >> >>JMc. has a section about it on his website that shows the 4-5 >>things he would do to help small businesses (they talk about >>healthcare costs, corp. tax rate and a first year deduction expense >>on equipment investments. Also inheritance tax, which could effect >>a business changeover. >> >>I am not going to quote it all, here's a link >> >>http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/smallbusiness.htm >> >> >>I bumped into this Friday afternoon looking for the scoop on Palin. >> >>Anyone know what BHO has to say on such pertinent topics? >> >> >> >> >>Scott Finke >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >>8630 Winton Road >>Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>Phone: (513) 522.2679 >>Fax (513) 522.2692 >>Email: info@brentwood-printing.com >>www.Brentwood-Printing.com >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>Send us your file at: >>http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> >> >> >> >>On Sep 2, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: >> >>>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>>The primary reason a large number of folks >>>>use the emergency room is they know it is or will be free and >>>>they don't >>>>have to pay a cent. They don't have to have insurance. >>>========================= >>> >>>Right. Their insurance is all the rest of us paying twice as much >>>as any service would normally cost, OK maybe half again as much, >>>so that hospitals don't go bankrupt over all the no pay emergency >>>customers. >>>We are clearly paying for everyone's medical care already. Why >>>not just make it official. >>> >>>I voted for Mit Romney as the only GOP candidate who had real >>>experience in implementing universal health care. I was ready to >>>support Hillary. I'll be curious to see what Barak and John have >>>to say about it. >>> >>>Of course that's just one issue, but as a business owner who buys >>>$30,000 worth of health insurance every year, competing with other >>>businesses who don't offer it at all, it's an issue I'm interested >>>in. >>> >>>Dan Huntingford >>>SOS Printing >>>2319 Washington Street >>>Port Townsend, WA 98368 >>>Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >>>sos@olympus.net >>>(360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >>>_______________________________________________ >>>PrintOwners Discussion List >>>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3415 (20080904) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From steveprint at aol.com Thu Sep 4 15:49:11 2008 From: steveprint at aol.com (StevePrint) Date: Thu Sep 4 15:48:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] need a couple of sources In-Reply-To: <48C0007D.21265.34C4E1FC@slb.inkspot.net> References: <48C0007D.21265.34C4E1FC@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <5a5610e3.ddf4.4033.add1.76f0ed014883@aol.com> We use FSI. Quality Vendor. fsiproducts.com Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting In a message dated 09/04/08 12:39:25 Pacific Daylight Time, slb@inkspot.net writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Need a good source for foil-and-ink pocket folders Also need a source for stick-on title blocks for architectural drawings. Any recommendations? Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From slb at inkspot.net Thu Sep 4 15:56:17 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Sep 4 15:56:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Dealers vs. Going Direct In-Reply-To: <48C0345B.8010209@cordesprinting.com> References: <48C02011.80204@cordesprinting.com>, <48BFF4DB.10059.34977210@slb.inkspot.net>, <48C0345B.8010209@cordesprinting.com> Message-ID: <48C00521.28980.34D703C6@slb.inkspot.net> We're in the western suburbs of Philadelphia, so we're not far from you. We bought our machine, and are being serviced, from the KM corporate office near Horsham, or Willow Grove, or somewhere in that vicinity. The dealer agreed that trying to service a machine for us at the KM national-deal prices, would be a losing proposition for all concerned, and understood our decision to buy from KM. So far, the service from KM has been, in general, anywhere from very good to reasonable. Once or twice, I climbed the chain of command to get up to "reasonable," and once or twice they've gone considerably above and beyond what I had any right to expect. Steve > > Steve -- > > So the question I have is WHO is servicing your machine? Does KM through > NAQP use your local guy to service the equipment? If not -- who? > > Mark > > Mark Cordes > > Cordes Printing, Inc. > 460 Braen Avenue > Wyckoff, NJ 07481 > > 201.652.7272 > > mark@cordesprinting.com > > www.cordesprinting.com > > > Steve Blatman wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > We dealt directly with KM, via the NAQP pricing deal. A dealer > > offered to match the pricing, so I asked him what I considered the > > most important question. > > > > "The national deal is $.0x per click, with all sizes counted as one > > click. Will that be enough for you to give us the level of service we > > will need, or will we end up with you not able to service us because > > you're losing money on us?" > > > > In my case, that led to an honest discussion, which concluded with > > them telling me that, no, they couldn't service the machine for that > > amount of money, unless I was willing to go to double clicks for > > 11x17 over an agreed-upon monthly volume. > > > > The last thing you want to do is to put a dealer, upon whose service > > you depend, in the position of losing money on that service. It won't > > be good for you, the dealer, the manufacturer, or your customer. > > > > JMO, > > Steve > > > > > > > >> It has often puzzled me that when dealing with copier companies you can > >> either deal directly with the company (Xerox, Konica Minolta, Canon) or > >> at least in some cases go through what I guess is a dealer > >> (distributor?). This has happened to us a couple of times and I find it > >> rather confusing. > >> > >> In this particular situation I am starting the process of looking at > >> some Konica Minolta copier equipment. In our area I have 2 ways I can go > >> as stated previously. Interestingly enough they are both located in > >> Totowa, NJ at different addresses. At this point I figure I can play one > >> against the other, however the bigger issue to me is who will offer me > >> the best service. Cost of equipment and clicks doesn't mean a whole lot > >> when I have to wait 24 hours or more for a service call as often happens > >> with Canon who I am currently with. > >> > >> Have any others had similar experiences and what did you discover in the > >> process? > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> Mark Cordes > >> > >> Cordes Printing, Inc. > >> 460 Braen Avenue > >> Wyckoff, NJ 07481 > >> > >> 201.652.7272 > >> > >> mark@cordesprinting.com > >> > >> www.cordesprinting.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> PrintOwners Discussion List > >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >> > >> > >> > >> __________ NOD32 3415 (20080904) Information __________ > >> > >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >> http://www.eset.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > Steve Blatman > > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > > Tel: 610-647-0776 > > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3415 (20080904) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From mark at cordesprinting.com Thu Sep 4 16:21:58 2008 From: mark at cordesprinting.com (Mark Cordes) Date: Thu Sep 4 16:17:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Dealers vs. Going Direct In-Reply-To: <48C00521.28980.34D703C6@slb.inkspot.net> References: <48C02011.80204@cordesprinting.com>, <48BFF4DB.10059.34977210@slb.inkspot.net>, <48C0345B.8010209@cordesprinting.com> <48C00521.28980.34D703C6@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <48C04366.5030108@cordesprinting.com> Steve -- One more question -- which model and what features did you get on your machine? Mark Mark Cordes Cordes Printing, Inc. 460 Braen Avenue Wyckoff, NJ 07481 201.652.7272 mark@cordesprinting.com www.cordesprinting.com Steve Blatman wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We're in the western suburbs of Philadelphia, so we're not far from > you. We bought our machine, and are being serviced, from the KM > corporate office near Horsham, or Willow Grove, or somewhere in that > vicinity. The dealer agreed that trying to service a machine for us > at the KM national-deal prices, would be a losing proposition for all > concerned, and understood our decision to buy from KM. > > So far, the service from KM has been, in general, anywhere from very > good to reasonable. Once or twice, I climbed the chain of command to > get up to "reasonable," and once or twice they've gone considerably > above and beyond what I had any right to expect. > > Steve > > > >> Steve -- >> >> So the question I have is WHO is servicing your machine? Does KM through >> NAQP use your local guy to service the equipment? If not -- who? >> >> Mark >> >> Mark Cordes >> >> Cordes Printing, Inc. >> 460 Braen Avenue >> Wyckoff, NJ 07481 >> >> 201.652.7272 >> >> mark@cordesprinting.com >> >> www.cordesprinting.com >> >> >> Steve Blatman wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> We dealt directly with KM, via the NAQP pricing deal. A dealer >>> offered to match the pricing, so I asked him what I considered the >>> most important question. >>> >>> "The national deal is $.0x per click, with all sizes counted as one >>> click. Will that be enough for you to give us the level of service we >>> will need, or will we end up with you not able to service us because >>> you're losing money on us?" >>> >>> In my case, that led to an honest discussion, which concluded with >>> them telling me that, no, they couldn't service the machine for that >>> amount of money, unless I was willing to go to double clicks for >>> 11x17 over an agreed-upon monthly volume. >>> >>> The last thing you want to do is to put a dealer, upon whose service >>> you depend, in the position of losing money on that service. It won't >>> be good for you, the dealer, the manufacturer, or your customer. >>> >>> JMO, >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> It has often puzzled me that when dealing with copier companies you can >>>> either deal directly with the company (Xerox, Konica Minolta, Canon) or >>>> at least in some cases go through what I guess is a dealer >>>> (distributor?). This has happened to us a couple of times and I find it >>>> rather confusing. >>>> >>>> In this particular situation I am starting the process of looking at >>>> some Konica Minolta copier equipment. In our area I have 2 ways I can go >>>> as stated previously. Interestingly enough they are both located in >>>> Totowa, NJ at different addresses. At this point I figure I can play one >>>> against the other, however the bigger issue to me is who will offer me >>>> the best service. Cost of equipment and clicks doesn't mean a whole lot >>>> when I have to wait 24 hours or more for a service call as often happens >>>> with Canon who I am currently with. >>>> >>>> Have any others had similar experiences and what did you discover in the >>>> process? >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> Mark Cordes >>>> >>>> Cordes Printing, Inc. >>>> 460 Braen Avenue >>>> Wyckoff, NJ 07481 >>>> >>>> 201.652.7272 >>>> >>>> mark@cordesprinting.com >>>> >>>> www.cordesprinting.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ NOD32 3415 (20080904) Information __________ >>>> >>>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Steve Blatman >>> Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >>> 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >>> Tel: 610-647-0776 >>> Fax: 610-647-4560 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3415 (20080904) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From slb at inkspot.net Thu Sep 4 16:33:41 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Sep 4 16:33:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Dealers vs. Going Direct In-Reply-To: <48C04366.5030108@cordesprinting.com> References: <48C02011.80204@cordesprinting.com>, <48C00521.28980.34D703C6@slb.inkspot.net>, <48C04366.5030108@cordesprinting.com> Message-ID: <48C00DE5.26472.34F93F8C@slb.inkspot.net> Mark, We bought a C500 (it'll be 2 years in mid-october). We have the Creo rip (which I highly recommend, if you're using digital as a substitute for offset), and the large side paper-tray. We also bought the basic finisher, so we'd get a receding output tray. We have a Duplo collator-bookletmaker, and an MBO folder, so we didn't bother with either folding or bookletmaking in-line. I guess the thing will staple flat sets, but we've never used that feature. At the time, the NAQP pricing was about as well as anyone was doing, according to Larry Hunt's data, so, while I asked about better pricing, I didn't press very hard. HTH, Steve > > Steve -- > > One more question -- which model and what features did you get on your > machine? > > Mark > > Mark Cordes > > Cordes Printing, Inc. > 460 Braen Avenue > Wyckoff, NJ 07481 > > 201.652.7272 > > mark@cordesprinting.com > > www.cordesprinting.com > > Steve Blatman wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > We're in the western suburbs of Philadelphia, so we're not far from > > you. We bought our machine, and are being serviced, from the KM > > corporate office near Horsham, or Willow Grove, or somewhere in that > > vicinity. The dealer agreed that trying to service a machine for us > > at the KM national-deal prices, would be a losing proposition for all > > concerned, and understood our decision to buy from KM. > > > > So far, the service from KM has been, in general, anywhere from very > > good to reasonable. Once or twice, I climbed the chain of command to > > get up to "reasonable," and once or twice they've gone considerably > > above and beyond what I had any right to expect. > > > > Steve > > > > > > > >> Steve -- > >> > >> So the question I have is WHO is servicing your machine? Does KM through > >> NAQP use your local guy to service the equipment? If not -- who? > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> Mark Cordes > >> > >> Cordes Printing, Inc. > >> 460 Braen Avenue > >> Wyckoff, NJ 07481 > >> > >> 201.652.7272 > >> > >> mark@cordesprinting.com > >> > >> www.cordesprinting.com > >> > >> > >> Steve Blatman wrote: > >> > >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >>> > >>> We dealt directly with KM, via the NAQP pricing deal. A dealer > >>> offered to match the pricing, so I asked him what I considered the > >>> most important question. > >>> > >>> "The national deal is $.0x per click, with all sizes counted as one > >>> click. Will that be enough for you to give us the level of service we > >>> will need, or will we end up with you not able to service us because > >>> you're losing money on us?" > >>> > >>> In my case, that led to an honest discussion, which concluded with > >>> them telling me that, no, they couldn't service the machine for that > >>> amount of money, unless I was willing to go to double clicks for > >>> 11x17 over an agreed-upon monthly volume. > >>> > >>> The last thing you want to do is to put a dealer, upon whose service > >>> you depend, in the position of losing money on that service. It won't > >>> be good for you, the dealer, the manufacturer, or your customer. > >>> > >>> JMO, > >>> Steve > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> It has often puzzled me that when dealing with copier companies you can > >>>> either deal directly with the company (Xerox, Konica Minolta, Canon) or > >>>> at least in some cases go through what I guess is a dealer > >>>> (distributor?). This has happened to us a couple of times and I find it > >>>> rather confusing. > >>>> > >>>> In this particular situation I am starting the process of looking at > >>>> some Konica Minolta copier equipment. In our area I have 2 ways I can go > >>>> as stated previously. Interestingly enough they are both located in > >>>> Totowa, NJ at different addresses. At this point I figure I can play one > >>>> against the other, however the bigger issue to me is who will offer me > >>>> the best service. Cost of equipment and clicks doesn't mean a whole lot > >>>> when I have to wait 24 hours or more for a service call as often happens > >>>> with Canon who I am currently with. > >>>> > >>>> Have any others had similar experiences and what did you discover in the > >>>> process? > >>>> > >>>> Mark > >>>> > >>>> Mark Cordes > >>>> > >>>> Cordes Printing, Inc. > >>>> 460 Braen Avenue > >>>> Wyckoff, NJ 07481 > >>>> > >>>> 201.652.7272 > >>>> > >>>> mark@cordesprinting.com > >>>> > >>>> www.cordesprinting.com > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> PrintOwners Discussion List > >>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> __________ NOD32 3415 (20080904) Information __________ > >>>> > >>>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >>>> http://www.eset.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> Steve Blatman > >>> Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > >>> 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > >>> Tel: 610-647-0776 > >>> Fax: 610-647-4560 > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> PrintOwners Discussion List > >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> PrintOwners Discussion List > >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >> > >> > >> > >> __________ NOD32 3415 (20080904) Information __________ > >> > >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >> http://www.eset.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > Steve Blatman > > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > > Tel: 610-647-0776 > > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3415 (20080904) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From webmaster at designercard.com Thu Sep 4 16:46:38 2008 From: webmaster at designercard.com (webmaster@designercard.com) Date: Thu Sep 4 16:46:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Houma LA in the news. In-Reply-To: <48C0000A.17201.34C31F92@slb.inkspot.net> References: <20080831.202014.3471.2@webmail20.vgs.untd.com>, <002301c90c41$ddd485f0$6501a8c0@Y765TJ>, <5EE98A148E0F486BA0F492AFFB402049@carol3ceeaab4a> <48C0000A.17201.34C31F92@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <6AD5454DB69E415294E342DFACAEA08D@ebilliotPC> Hi All, I am not sure what was all said about Houma, but I do have a little information. I am from Morgan City which is about 30 miles west of Houma. We caught the eye of Gustav and Houma caught the right side. We faired pretty good and are just now getting electricity back up. Houma on the other hand is under control of Homeland security. No one is allowed in except to check out their property then they are asked to leave. They claim it will be up to 6 weeks before people are allowed back into that area. I hope that helps, Ed Billiot DesignerCards ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Blatman" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 2:34 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Houma LA in the news. > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am probably one of >> the few on this list that has actually been to Houma - nice community - > > My older son went there once. He was in and around Baton Rouge for a > few weeks as part of the relief effort after Katrina, as part of a > contingent of 100 ambulances and crews. He and a partner drove to > Houma one day, to transport a nursing-home patient from there, to > somewhere north of Baton Rouge, where her family had taken refuge. > > Unfortunately, I didn't know he'd be in Houma until after the fact, > so he didn't stop at Dooley's... > > Steve > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From gamble at choiceonemail.com Thu Sep 4 17:47:57 2008 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Thu Sep 4 17:46:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... In-Reply-To: <200809041938.m84Jcp0c021480@i2bnetworks.com> References: <0a4001c90d24$74fb4da0$6900a8c0@DANIEL><6A8725A9-4F38-47B1-8A9D-E9F9D675975A@eos.net> <200809041938.m84Jcp0c021480@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <0e1a01c90ed7$e5046dc0$0201a8c0@RICK> Woo Hoo, I'll put one on my Gas eating Mustang GT also as I drive with the top down enjoying the last few days of summer in Upstate NY. I hope she can do for this country what she has done for the state of Alaska. Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 3:37 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In every sense of the word, a clueless, sad, joke. Written by people who have no clue what makes this country go. In celebration of Sarah's kick ass speech last night, today I'm putting on a Mcain/Palin bumper sticker on my V8 Gas guzzling white convertible Mustang to celebrate. They never saw her coming, and I can't wait to watch her to turn Biden into Moosebait. S. At 11:28 AM 9/4/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >Scott: > >Here is your answer. > >http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/ > > > >Gail Finke >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >8630 Winton Road >Cincinnati, OH 45231 >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >(513) 522-2679 >Fax 522-2692 >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >info@brentwood-printing.com >www.brentwood-printing.com > > > > >On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Scott Finke wrote: > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>OK, focusing on printing: >> >>Without starting a political hoopla-thread (although we could under >>an OFF title ) has anyone heard much about either Presidential >>candidate concerning their platforms on small business? >> >>JMc. has a section about it on his website that shows the 4-5 >>things he would do to help small businesses (they talk about >>healthcare costs, corp. tax rate and a first year deduction expense >>on equipment investments. Also inheritance tax, which could effect >>a business changeover. >> >>I am not going to quote it all, here's a link >> >>http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/smallbusiness.htm >> >> >>I bumped into this Friday afternoon looking for the scoop on Palin. >> >>Anyone know what BHO has to say on such pertinent topics? >> >> >> >> >>Scott Finke >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >>8630 Winton Road >>Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>Phone: (513) 522.2679 >>Fax (513) 522.2692 >>Email: info@brentwood-printing.com >>www.Brentwood-Printing.com >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>Send us your file at: >>http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> >> >> >> >>On Sep 2, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: >> >>>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>>The primary reason a large number of folks >>>>use the emergency room is they know it is or will be free and >>>>they don't >>>>have to pay a cent. They don't have to have insurance. >>>========================= >>> >>>Right. Their insurance is all the rest of us paying twice as much >>>as any service would normally cost, OK maybe half again as much, >>>so that hospitals don't go bankrupt over all the no pay emergency >>>customers. >>>We are clearly paying for everyone's medical care already. Why >>>not just make it official. >>> >>>I voted for Mit Romney as the only GOP candidate who had real >>>experience in implementing universal health care. I was ready to >>>support Hillary. I'll be curious to see what Barak and John have >>>to say about it. >>> >>>Of course that's just one issue, but as a business owner who buys >>>$30,000 worth of health insurance every year, competing with other >>>businesses who don't offer it at all, it's an issue I'm interested >>>in. >>> >>>Dan Huntingford >>>SOS Printing >>>2319 Washington Street >>>Port Townsend, WA 98368 >>>Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >>>sos@olympus.net >>>(360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >>>_______________________________________________ >>>PrintOwners Discussion List >>>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3415 (20080904) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 17:47:14 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Sep 4 17:47:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BHO Small Business Plan [Was: OFF... Jace is ok, gettin' political...] Message-ID: <98f5b19a0809041447r2d3ac873y31cde2a20e71543c@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:05 PM, George Dahlquist wrote: > > Looks to me like the BHO "small business" plan is a joke. Also, by increasing taxes >on corporations (which they claim pay little to no income taxes) it also appears that he >intends to increase the amount paid by smaller S corps as well. Most of us probably >don't pay much in the way of corporate income tax, however as we all know, all the >profits flow through to the owners (us) and we then pay regular income tax on those >monies. Just words? Words do mean something and you have to be careful how they >are interpreted. Just my opinion folks. >From Obama's website, re: his "small business plan" -- he would "Provide Zero Capital Gains and Other Tax Relief for Small Businesses and Start Ups: Barack Obama believes that we need to reduce burdens on small business owners, many of whom are struggling to succeed as health care and energy costs continue to skyrocket. Barack Obama will also eliminate all capital gains taxes on small and start-up businesses to encourage innovation and job creation." Eliminate capital gains taxes on small and start-up businesses? Huh? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Thu Sep 4 18:02:33 2008 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Thu Sep 4 18:02:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... References: <0a4001c90d24$74fb4da0$6900a8c0@DANIEL><6A8725A9-4F38-47B1-8A9D-E9F9D675975A@eos.net><200809041938.m84Jcp0c021480@i2bnetworks.com> <0e1a01c90ed7$e5046dc0$0201a8c0@RICK> Message-ID: <000401c90ed9$f00b8a30$042967d3@kp4> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Bird" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:47 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Woo Hoo, > > I'll put one on my Gas eating Mustang GT also as I drive with the > top down enjoying the last few days of summer in Upstate NY. I hope she can > do for this country what she has done for the state of Alaska. > > Rick Bird > Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. > 3649 California Road > Orchard Park, NY 14127 > (716) 662-1515 > (716) 662-5917 - Fax > gamble@choiceonemail.com - email > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 3:37 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > In every sense of the word, a clueless, sad, joke. > > Written by people who have no clue what makes this country go. > > In celebration of Sarah's kick ass speech last night, today I'm > putting on a Mcain/Palin bumper sticker on my V8 Gas guzzling white > convertible Mustang to celebrate. > > They never saw her coming, and I can't wait to watch her to turn > Biden into Moosebait. > > S. > > > > > At 11:28 AM 9/4/2008, you wrote: > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > >Scott: > > > >Here is your answer. > > > >http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/ > > > > > > > >Gail Finke > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > >8630 Winton Road > >Cincinnati, OH 45231 > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >(513) 522-2679 > >Fax 522-2692 > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >info@brentwood-printing.com > >www.brentwood-printing.com > > > > > > > > > >On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Scott Finke wrote: > > > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> > >>OK, focusing on printing: > >> > >>Without starting a political hoopla-thread (although we could under > >>an OFF title ) has anyone heard much about either Presidential > >>candidate concerning their platforms on small business? > >> > >>JMc. has a section about it on his website that shows the 4-5 > >>things he would do to help small businesses (they talk about > >>healthcare costs, corp. tax rate and a first year deduction expense > >>on equipment investments. Also inheritance tax, which could effect > >>a business changeover. > >> > >>I am not going to quote it all, here's a link > >> > >>http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/smallbusiness.htm > >> > >> > >>I bumped into this Friday afternoon looking for the scoop on Palin. > >> > >>Anyone know what BHO has to say on such pertinent topics? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Scott Finke > >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >>Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > >>8630 Winton Road > >>Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 > >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >>Phone: (513) 522.2679 > >>Fax (513) 522.2692 > >>Email: info@brentwood-printing.com > >>www.Brentwood-Printing.com > >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >>Send us your file at: > >>http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html > >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>On Sep 2, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > >> > >>>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >>> > >>>The primary reason a large number of folks > >>>>use the emergency room is they know it is or will be free and > >>>>they don't > >>>>have to pay a cent. They don't have to have insurance. > >>>========================= > >>> > >>>Right. Their insurance is all the rest of us paying twice as much > >>>as any service would normally cost, OK maybe half again as much, > >>>so that hospitals don't go bankrupt over all the no pay emergency > >>>customers. > >>>We are clearly paying for everyone's medical care already. Why > >>>not just make it official. > >>> > >>>I voted for Mit Romney as the only GOP candidate who had real > >>>experience in implementing universal health care. I was ready to > >>>support Hillary. I'll be curious to see what Barak and John have > >>>to say about it. > >>> > >>>Of course that's just one issue, but as a business owner who buys > >>>$30,000 worth of health insurance every year, competing with other > >>>businesses who don't offer it at all, it's an issue I'm interested > >>>in. > >>> > >>>Dan Huntingford > >>>SOS Printing > >>>2319 Washington Street > >>>Port Townsend, WA 98368 > >>>Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > >>>sos@olympus.net > >>>(360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>PrintOwners Discussion List > >>>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >>>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>PrintOwners Discussion List > >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >__________ NOD32 3415 (20080904) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.eset.com > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu Sep 4 18:31:14 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu Sep 4 18:33:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BHO Small Business Plan [Was: OFF... Jace is ok, gettin' political...] In-Reply-To: <20080904220249.4A33B10667DC@rb.enter.net> References: <20080904220249.4A33B10667DC@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <3805362C-1E2A-46D0-ACD6-9DA2A1F006CA@sheergraphics.com> ..... Eliminate capital gains taxes on small and start-up businesses? Huh? ..... What we small business owners and voters have to understand is that Obama hasn't even managed a Dairy Queen. Beltway Obama is confused between capital gains and 'Capitol gains'. P.S. There shouldn't be any tax on any corporations, since the group of individuals involved in corporations (owners, shareholders and employees) all report personal income derived from the corporation. The tax avoidance efforts of non-widget-making accountants and lawyers would be better spent improving our standard of living. > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:05 PM, George Dahlquist > wrote: >> >> Looks to me like the BHO "small business" plan is a joke. Also, by >> increasing taxes >on corporations (which they claim pay little to >> no income taxes) it also appears that he >intends to increase the >> amount paid by smaller S corps as well. Most of us probably >don't >> pay much in the way of corporate income tax, however as we all >> know, all the >profits flow through to the owners (us) and we then >> pay regular income tax on those >monies. Just words? Words do >> mean something and you have to be careful how they >are >> interpreted. Just my opinion folks. > > >> From Obama's website, re: his "small business plan" -- he would > > "Provide Zero Capital Gains and Other Tax Relief for Small Businesses > and Start Ups: > Barack Obama believes that we need to reduce burdens on small business > owners, many of whom are struggling to succeed as health care and > energy costs continue to skyrocket. Barack Obama will also eliminate > all capital gains taxes on small and start-up businesses to encourage > innovation and job creation." > > > Eliminate capital gains taxes on small and start-up businesses? Huh? > > -- > Michael Vogel Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Sep 4 18:42:13 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Sep 4 18:44:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BHO Small Business Plan [Was: OFF... Jace is ok, gettin' political...] In-Reply-To: <3805362C-1E2A-46D0-ACD6-9DA2A1F006CA@sheergraphics.com> References: <20080904220249.4A33B10667DC@rb.enter.net> <3805362C-1E2A-46D0-ACD6-9DA2A1F006CA@sheergraphics.com> Message-ID: <200809042244.m84MiEYF062217@i2bnetworks.com> My point exactly. The Obama team isn't communicating that they know the difference between an ongoing concern (small business) and a capital asset like a stock (or other equity that would possess a gain). Its really really scary what these people could do if they get into power. S. At 03:31 PM 9/4/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >..... Eliminate capital gains taxes on small and start-up businesses? >Huh? ..... > >What we small business owners and voters have to understand is that >Obama hasn't even managed a Dairy Queen. > >Beltway Obama is confused between capital gains and 'Capitol gains'. > >P.S. There shouldn't be any tax on any corporations, since the group >of individuals involved in corporations (owners, shareholders and >employees) all report personal income derived from the corporation. >The tax avoidance efforts of non-widget-making accountants and lawyers >would be better spent improving our standard of living. > > >>On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:05 PM, George Dahlquist >> wrote: >>> >>>Looks to me like the BHO "small business" plan is a joke. Also, by >>>increasing taxes >on corporations (which they claim pay little to >>>no income taxes) it also appears that he >intends to increase the >>>amount paid by smaller S corps as well. Most of us probably >don't >>>pay much in the way of corporate income tax, however as we all >>>know, all the >profits flow through to the owners (us) and we then >>>pay regular income tax on those >monies. Just words? Words do >>>mean something and you have to be careful how they >are >>>interpreted. Just my opinion folks. >> >> >>> From Obama's website, re: his "small business plan" -- he would >> >>"Provide Zero Capital Gains and Other Tax Relief for Small Businesses >>and Start Ups: >>Barack Obama believes that we need to reduce burdens on small business >>owners, many of whom are struggling to succeed as health care and >>energy costs continue to skyrocket. Barack Obama will also eliminate >>all capital gains taxes on small and start-up businesses to encourage >>innovation and job creation." >> >> >>Eliminate capital gains taxes on small and start-up businesses? Huh? >> >>-- >>Michael Vogel > > >Please reply to Simon Sheers at: > > >Sheer Graphics Inc. >47 Chestnut Avenue, >Westmont, IL 60559-1127 >Tel: (630) 654-4422 > >Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3416 (20080904) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From printer at ptialaska.net Thu Sep 4 20:19:47 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Thu Sep 4 20:19:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... In-Reply-To: <48C02AE1.2060209@satx.rr.com> References: <0a4001c90d24$74fb4da0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <6A8725A9-4F38-47B1-8A9D-E9F9D675975A@eos.net> <48C02AE1.2060209@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <5767F793-AFB3-43EA-81BE-B6654811A2AE@ptialaska.net> On Sep 4, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Dennis Ewing wrote: > I an not for the life of me see how anyone can run a business and > be liberal. > The whole platform is to take from them who worked to build wealth > and give it to those who want to sit on their one bun and a duff. REPLY: Hmmm, you have just described socialism... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From sgfinke at fuse.net Fri Sep 5 07:33:35 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Fri Sep 5 07:30:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Houma LA in the news. In-Reply-To: <6AD5454DB69E415294E342DFACAEA08D@ebilliotPC> References: <20080831.202014.3471.2@webmail20.vgs.untd.com>, <002301c90c41$ddd485f0$6501a8c0@Y765TJ>, <5EE98A148E0F486BA0F492AFFB402049@carol3ceeaab4a> <48C0000A.17201.34C31F92@slb.inkspot.net> <6AD5454DB69E415294E342DFACAEA08D@ebilliotPC> Message-ID: WHAT??? None of this is in our local news. All they care about is that the hurricane didn't hit New Orleans. Other cities and towns don't seem to exist for them. What are people supposed to do for six weeks? And why can't anyone go back for six weeks -- what could possibly have happened there? Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Sep 4, 2008, at 4:46 PM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi All, > > I am not sure what was all said about Houma, but I do have a little > information. I am from Morgan City which is about 30 miles west of > Houma. We caught the eye of Gustav and Houma caught the right side. > We faired pretty good and are just now getting electricity back up. > Houma on the other hand is under control of Homeland security. No > one is allowed in except to check out their property then they are > asked to leave. They claim it will be up to 6 weeks before people > are allowed back into that area. > > I hope that helps, > > Ed Billiot > DesignerCards > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Blatman" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 2:34 PM > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Houma LA in the news. > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I am probably one of >>> the few on this list that has actually been to Houma - nice >>> community - >> >> My older son went there once. He was in and around Baton Rouge for a >> few weeks as part of the relief effort after Katrina, as part of a >> contingent of 100 ambulances and crews. He and a partner drove to >> Houma one day, to transport a nursing-home patient from there, to >> somewhere north of Baton Rouge, where her family had taken refuge. >> >> Unfortunately, I didn't know he'd be in Houma until after the fact, >> so he didn't stop at Dooley's... >> >> Steve >> >> Steve Blatman >> Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >> 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >> Tel: 610-647-0776 >> Fax: 610-647-4560 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Fri Sep 5 08:07:49 2008 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Fri Sep 5 08:08:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Options needed on label for Chemical Drum References: <20080831.202014.3471.2@webmail20.vgs.untd.com>, <002301c90c41$ddd485f0$6501a8c0@Y765TJ>, <5EE98A148E0F486BA0F492AFFB402049@carol3ceeaab4a><48C0000A.17201.34C31F92@slb.inkspot.net><6AD5454DB69E415294E342DFACAEA08D@ebilliotPC> Message-ID: <320EF653502E4DEAA767EBFBD708F11B@Nancy> Hoping someone has some suggestions for options on a label request. I have a customer that is a Chemical Co. They have asked for a 11x17 Crack & Peel Label that is weather resistant for 90 days. They want 100 to make sure it works then possibly as many as 1000. I am thinking that there is possibly a better option. Maybe laminating or printed on vinyl with a double face tape? I don't know if they plan to use these on metal or plastic. Thanks Nancy Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting From mark at cordesprinting.com Fri Sep 5 09:12:05 2008 From: mark at cordesprinting.com (Mark Cordes) Date: Fri Sep 5 09:07:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Options needed on label for Chemical Drum In-Reply-To: <320EF653502E4DEAA767EBFBD708F11B@Nancy> References: <20080831.202014.3471.2@webmail20.vgs.untd.com>, <002301c90c41$ddd485f0$6501a8c0@Y765TJ>, <5EE98A148E0F486BA0F492AFFB402049@carol3ceeaab4a><48C0000A.17201.34C31F92@slb.inkspot.net><6AD5454DB69E415294E342DFACAEA08D@ebilliotPC> <320EF653502E4DEAA767EBFBD708F11B@Nancy> Message-ID: <48C13025.8060601@cordesprinting.com> Nancy -- There are printable Vinyl Pressure Sensitive stocks available. You will probably need to use an oxidizing ink (Van Son Tough Tex for instance) but they should do the trick. You should also ask client if the labels will be exposed to chemicals, do they go on a metal or plastic drum and perhaps before you even print the 100 they should take a sample of the stock you intend to use and stick it on the drum to make sure it adheres. Mark Mark Cordes Cordes Printing, Inc. 460 Braen Avenue Wyckoff, NJ 07481 201.652.7272 mark@cordesprinting.com www.cordesprinting.com Nancy wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hoping someone has some suggestions for options on a label request. > I have a customer that is a Chemical Co. > They have asked for a 11x17 Crack & Peel Label that is weather > resistant for 90 days. > They want 100 to make sure it works then possibly as many as 1000. > > I am thinking that there is possibly a better option. > Maybe laminating or printed on vinyl with a double face tape? > > I don't know if they plan to use these on metal or plastic. > > Thanks > > Nancy > > Nancy Middleton > The Printing Place, Inc. > 5878 Cook Road, Suite F > Milford, OH 45150 > nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com > Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax > 877/248-8774 Toll Free > www.theprintingplaceinc.com > we now have web hosting > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From bob at rjmprinting.com Fri Sep 5 09:12:05 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Fri Sep 5 09:12:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Options needed on label for Chemical Drum In-Reply-To: <320EF653502E4DEAA767EBFBD708F11B@Nancy> Message-ID: Nancy, In the past we have used Stouse or you could try Ken at Dasco Label 763-574-2275. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 7:08 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Options needed on label for Chemical Drum ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hoping someone has some suggestions for options on a label request. I have a customer that is a Chemical Co. They have asked for a 11x17 Crack & Peel Label that is weather resistant for 90 days. They want 100 to make sure it works then possibly as many as 1000. I am thinking that there is possibly a better option. Maybe laminating or printed on vinyl with a double face tape? I don't know if they plan to use these on metal or plastic. Thanks Nancy Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From hal at pickimp.com Fri Sep 5 09:20:34 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Fri Sep 5 09:18:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... References: <0a4001c90d24$74fb4da0$6900a8c0@DANIEL><6A8725A9-4F38-47B1-8A9D-E9F9D675975A@eos.net><200809041938.m84Jcp0c021480@i2bnetworks.com> <0e1a01c90ed7$e5046dc0$0201a8c0@RICK> Message-ID: <004e01c90f5a$344ffb60$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Careful, you were just warned by the P/C police that they don't like political posts here.. I have a serious question though --- When the heartland was flooded and folks were forced to move, did FEMA pay their hotel bills? What about the California folks who had to evacuate because of the fires? I assume if they lost their homes FEMA put them up and paid the bills? or is it strictly a Louisiana thing? Hal ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Bird To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 5:47 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Woo Hoo, I'll put one on my Gas eating Mustang GT also as I drive with the top down enjoying the last few days of summer in Upstate NY. I hope she can do for this country what she has done for the state of Alaska. Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 3:37 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In every sense of the word, a clueless, sad, joke. Written by people who have no clue what makes this country go. In celebration of Sarah's kick ass speech last night, today I'm putting on a Mcain/Palin bumper sticker on my V8 Gas guzzling white convertible Mustang to celebrate. They never saw her coming, and I can't wait to watch her to turn Biden into Moosebait. S. At 11:28 AM 9/4/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >Scott: > >Here is your answer. > >http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/ > > > >Gail Finke >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >8630 Winton Road >Cincinnati, OH 45231 >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >(513) 522-2679 >Fax 522-2692 >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >info@brentwood-printing.com >www.brentwood-printing.com > > > > >On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Scott Finke wrote: > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>OK, focusing on printing: >> >>Without starting a political hoopla-thread (although we could under >>an OFF title ) has anyone heard much about either Presidential >>candidate concerning their platforms on small business? >> >>JMc. has a section about it on his website that shows the 4-5 >>things he would do to help small businesses (they talk about >>healthcare costs, corp. tax rate and a first year deduction expense >>on equipment investments. Also inheritance tax, which could effect >>a business changeover. >> >>I am not going to quote it all, here's a link >> >>http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/smallbusiness.htm >> >> >>I bumped into this Friday afternoon looking for the scoop on Palin. >> >>Anyone know what BHO has to say on such pertinent topics? >> >> >> >> >>Scott Finke >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >>8630 Winton Road >>Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>Phone: (513) 522.2679 >>Fax (513) 522.2692 >>Email: info@brentwood-printing.com >>www.Brentwood-Printing.com >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>Send us your file at: >>http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> >> >> >> >>On Sep 2, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: >> >>>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>>The primary reason a large number of folks >>>>use the emergency room is they know it is or will be free and >>>>they don't >>>>have to pay a cent. They don't have to have insurance. >>>========================= >>> >>>Right. Their insurance is all the rest of us paying twice as much >>>as any service would normally cost, OK maybe half again as much, >>>so that hospitals don't go bankrupt over all the no pay emergency >>>customers. >>>We are clearly paying for everyone's medical care already. Why >>>not just make it official. >>> >>>I voted for Mit Romney as the only GOP candidate who had real >>>experience in implementing universal health care. I was ready to >>>support Hillary. I'll be curious to see what Barak and John have >>>to say about it. >>> >>>Of course that's just one issue, but as a business owner who buys >>>$30,000 worth of health insurance every year, competing with other >>>businesses who don't offer it at all, it's an issue I'm interested >>>in. >>> >>>Dan Huntingford >>>SOS Printing >>>2319 Washington Street >>>Port Townsend, WA 98368 >>>Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >>>sos@olympus.net >>>(360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >>>_______________________________________________ >>>PrintOwners Discussion List >>>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3415 (20080904) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From falconprinting at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 09:24:48 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Fri Sep 5 09:24:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... In-Reply-To: <000401c90ed9$f00b8a30$042967d3@kp4> Message-ID: There's an old Churchill quote that goes something to the effect of "Any man how is under 30 and is not a liberal has not a heart. Any man who is over 40 and is not a conservative has not a brain" Now maybe I'm right on the cusp. I hate the idea of paying more taxes. Especially estate tax, which looks to be 4 times higher under Obama's plan. We're also reaching the end of worst president in modern history (probably ever), and nothing is scarier than more 4 more years of the same. Its literally impossible for Obama to do worse for this country than Bush. I know no one likes getting taxed excessively, but we still have our congressmen to protect us. Were your pockets getting fatter under the balanced budget, liberal days of Clinton, or since we started sinking even farther into debt for this completely unnecessary war? Now I understand the economy is cyclical, but its a hard to argue with results. Now as an Iranian-American I should even more strongly support McCain. I have a friend very high up in the GOP that has gotten Iranian-American's minority status (we weren't minorities 3 months ago). Which makes me eligible for 8(a) certification and is projected to funnel $10 billion into the Iranian-American economy over the next 10 years. Obama is almost certain to reverse this as that money comes directly out of the pockets of African Americans. Also the war has made Iran a major power in the middle east, so technically I shouldn't even upset about that. But I can't get over how the Republican's buy the rich, and bowl over the poor (who really should be voting liberal) with talk of abortion and guns. I mean, this is still America, you'll always have both. I can't get over how Bush blatantly fleeced everyone with false reasons for a war, and we didn't even get cheap gas (which yes, would have made it ok with me). I find it infuriating. And McCain, who I loved in 2000, has clearly rolled over. The straight talk express has pulled into the station, and he's riding the Bush/Republican/Special Interests hegemony's train. Obama's lack of experience is the most attractive thing about him. If you don't believe him, that's one thing. But if you think he's really going to try and do good, its a welcome change that I think everyone should get on board for. I have way more faith, in every arena, in Obama/Biden than I do in McCain/Palin. (Seriously, you guys like Palin?) So, who am I voting for? I don't know. I'm surprised too. But I really feel like I'm choosing between what's better for the world, and what's better for me. And I think that's really sad. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Linda Baribeau > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:02:33 -0500 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Bird" > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:47 PM > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Woo Hoo, >> >> I'll put one on my Gas eating Mustang GT also as I drive with the >> top down enjoying the last few days of summer in Upstate NY. I hope she > can >> do for this country what she has done for the state of Alaska. >> >> Rick Bird >> Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. >> 3649 California Road >> Orchard Park, NY 14127 >> (716) 662-1515 >> (716) 662-5917 - Fax >> gamble@choiceonemail.com - email >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel >> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 3:37 PM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> In every sense of the word, a clueless, sad, joke. >> >> Written by people who have no clue what makes this country go. >> >> In celebration of Sarah's kick ass speech last night, today I'm >> putting on a Mcain/Palin bumper sticker on my V8 Gas guzzling white >> convertible Mustang to celebrate. >> >> They never saw her coming, and I can't wait to watch her to turn >> Biden into Moosebait. >> >> S. >> >> >> >> >> At 11:28 AM 9/4/2008, you wrote: >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> >>> Scott: >>> >>> Here is your answer. >>> >>> http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/ >>> >>> >>> >>> Gail Finke >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>> Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >>> 8630 Winton Road >>> Cincinnati, OH 45231 >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>> (513) 522-2679 >>> Fax 522-2692 >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>> info@brentwood-printing.com >>> www.brentwood-printing.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Scott Finke wrote: >>> >>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>> >>>> OK, focusing on printing: >>>> >>>> Without starting a political hoopla-thread (although we could under >>>> an OFF title ) has anyone heard much about either Presidential >>>> candidate concerning their platforms on small business? >>>> >>>> JMc. has a section about it on his website that shows the 4-5 >>>> things he would do to help small businesses (they talk about >>>> healthcare costs, corp. tax rate and a first year deduction expense >>>> on equipment investments. Also inheritance tax, which could effect >>>> a business changeover. >>>> >>>> I am not going to quote it all, here's a link >>>> >>>> http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/smallbusiness.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> I bumped into this Friday afternoon looking for the scoop on Palin. >>>> >>>> Anyone know what BHO has to say on such pertinent topics? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Scott Finke >>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>> Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >>>> 8630 Winton Road >>>> Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 >>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>> Phone: (513) 522.2679 >>>> Fax (513) 522.2692 >>>> Email: info@brentwood-printing.com >>>> www.Brentwood-Printing.com >>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>> Send us your file at: >>>> http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html >>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 2, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: >>>> >>>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>>> >>>>> The primary reason a large number of folks >>>>>> use the emergency room is they know it is or will be free and >>>>>> they don't >>>>>> have to pay a cent. They don't have to have insurance. >>>>> ========================= >>>>> >>>>> Right. Their insurance is all the rest of us paying twice as much >>>>> as any service would normally cost, OK maybe half again as much, >>>>> so that hospitals don't go bankrupt over all the no pay emergency >>>>> customers. >>>>> We are clearly paying for everyone's medical care already. Why >>>>> not just make it official. >>>>> >>>>> I voted for Mit Romney as the only GOP candidate who had real >>>>> experience in implementing universal health care. I was ready to >>>>> support Hillary. I'll be curious to see what Barak and John have >>>>> to say about it. >>>>> >>>>> Of course that's just one issue, but as a business owner who buys >>>>> $30,000 worth of health insurance every year, competing with other >>>>> businesses who don't offer it at all, it's an issue I'm interested >>>>> in. >>>>> >>>>> Dan Huntingford >>>>> SOS Printing >>>>> 2319 Washington Street >>>>> Port Townsend, WA 98368 >>>>> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >>>>> sos@olympus.net >>>>> (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> __________ NOD32 3415 (20080904) Information __________ >>> >>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Scott Cappel >> >> Sorrento Mesa Printing >> 7398 Trade Street >> San Diego, CA 92121-2422 >> 858-527-0800 >> 858-527-1740 FAX >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com >> >> LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa >> >> Direct Links for Learning: >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html >> >> Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider >> Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider >> Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level >> Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider >> >> Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From falconprinting at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 09:25:45 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Fri Sep 5 09:26:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... In-Reply-To: <004e01c90f5a$344ffb60$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Sorry Hal, I just sent one before I saw this. I felt like I had to help balance the force. That's it though, I promise. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Hal Wendt > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:20:34 -0400 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Careful, you were just warned by the P/C police that they don't like political > posts here.. > > I have a serious question though --- When the heartland was flooded and folks > were forced to move, did FEMA pay their hotel bills? What about the > California folks who had to evacuate because of the fires? I assume if they > lost their homes FEMA put them up and paid the bills? or is it strictly a > Louisiana thing? > > > > Hal > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Bird > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 5:47 PM > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Woo Hoo, > > I'll put one on my Gas eating Mustang GT also as I drive with the > top down enjoying the last few days of summer in Upstate NY. I hope she can > do for this country what she has done for the state of Alaska. > > Rick Bird > Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. > 3649 California Road > Orchard Park, NY 14127 > (716) 662-1515 > (716) 662-5917 - Fax > gamble@choiceonemail.com - email > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 3:37 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > In every sense of the word, a clueless, sad, joke. > > Written by people who have no clue what makes this country go. > > In celebration of Sarah's kick ass speech last night, today I'm > putting on a Mcain/Palin bumper sticker on my V8 Gas guzzling white > convertible Mustang to celebrate. > > They never saw her coming, and I can't wait to watch her to turn > Biden into Moosebait. > > S. > > > > > At 11:28 AM 9/4/2008, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> Scott: >> >> Here is your answer. >> >> http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/ >> >> >> >> Gail Finke >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >> 8630 Winton Road >> Cincinnati, OH 45231 >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> (513) 522-2679 >> Fax 522-2692 >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> info@brentwood-printing.com >> www.brentwood-printing.com >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Scott Finke wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> OK, focusing on printing: >>> >>> Without starting a political hoopla-thread (although we could under >>> an OFF title ) has anyone heard much about either Presidential >>> candidate concerning their platforms on small business? >>> >>> JMc. has a section about it on his website that shows the 4-5 >>> things he would do to help small businesses (they talk about >>> healthcare costs, corp. tax rate and a first year deduction expense >>> on equipment investments. Also inheritance tax, which could effect >>> a business changeover. >>> >>> I am not going to quote it all, here's a link >>> >>> http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/smallbusiness.htm >>> >>> >>> I bumped into this Friday afternoon looking for the scoop on Palin. >>> >>> Anyone know what BHO has to say on such pertinent topics? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Scott Finke >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>> Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >>> 8630 Winton Road >>> Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>> Phone: (513) 522.2679 >>> Fax (513) 522.2692 >>> Email: info@brentwood-printing.com >>> www.Brentwood-Printing.com >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>> Send us your file at: >>> http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 2, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: >>> >>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>> >>>> The primary reason a large number of folks >>>>> use the emergency room is they know it is or will be free and >>>>> they don't >>>>> have to pay a cent. They don't have to have insurance. >>>> ========================= >>>> >>>> Right. Their insurance is all the rest of us paying twice as much >>>> as any service would normally cost, OK maybe half again as much, >>>> so that hospitals don't go bankrupt over all the no pay emergency >>>> customers. >>>> We are clearly paying for everyone's medical care already. Why >>>> not just make it official. >>>> >>>> I voted for Mit Romney as the only GOP candidate who had real >>>> experience in implementing universal health care. I was ready to >>>> support Hillary. I'll be curious to see what Barak and John have >>>> to say about it. >>>> >>>> Of course that's just one issue, but as a business owner who buys >>>> $30,000 worth of health insurance every year, competing with other >>>> businesses who don't offer it at all, it's an issue I'm interested >>>> in. >>>> >>>> Dan Huntingford >>>> SOS Printing >>>> 2319 Washington Street >>>> Port Townsend, WA 98368 >>>> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >>>> sos@olympus.net >>>> (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3415 (20080904) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Fri Sep 5 09:39:44 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Fri Sep 5 09:39:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C136A0.1010509@sugarloafprint.com> Wow I'm not afraid to say it, I've always like McCain, I'm voting for him. So far everything I've read about Palin shows me she will make a great VP. Maybe even a great President one day. Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > There's an old Churchill quote that goes something to the effect of "Any man > how is under 30 and is not a liberal has not a heart. Any man who is over > 40 and is not a conservative has not a brain" > > Now maybe I'm right on the cusp. I hate the idea of paying more taxes. > Especially estate tax, which looks to be 4 times higher under Obama's plan. > We're also reaching the end of worst president in modern history (probably > ever), and nothing is scarier than more 4 more years of the same. Its > literally impossible for Obama to do worse for this country than Bush. I > know no one likes getting taxed excessively, but we still have our > congressmen to protect us. Were your pockets getting fatter under the > balanced budget, liberal days of Clinton, or since we started sinking even > farther into debt for this completely unnecessary war? Now I understand the > economy is cyclical, but its a hard to argue with results. > > Now as an Iranian-American I should even more strongly support McCain. I > have a friend very high up in the GOP that has gotten Iranian-American's > minority status (we weren't minorities 3 months ago). Which makes me > eligible for 8(a) certification and is projected to funnel $10 billion into > the Iranian-American economy over the next 10 years. Obama is almost > certain to reverse this as that money comes directly out of the pockets of > African Americans. > > Also the war has made Iran a major power in the middle east, so technically > I shouldn't even upset about that. > > But I can't get over how the Republican's buy the rich, and bowl over the > poor (who really should be voting liberal) with talk of abortion and guns. > I mean, this is still America, you'll always have both. I can't get over > how Bush blatantly fleeced everyone with false reasons for a war, and we > didn't even get cheap gas (which yes, would have made it ok with me). I > find it infuriating. > > And McCain, who I loved in 2000, has clearly rolled over. The straight talk > express has pulled into the station, and he's riding the > Bush/Republican/Special Interests hegemony's train. > > Obama's lack of experience is the most attractive thing about him. If you > don't believe him, that's one thing. But if you think he's really going to > try and do good, its a welcome change that I think everyone should get on > board for. I have way more faith, in every arena, in Obama/Biden than I do > in McCain/Palin. (Seriously, you guys like Palin?) > > So, who am I voting for? I don't know. I'm surprised too. But I really > feel like I'm choosing between what's better for the world, and what's > better for me. And I think that's really sad. > > > Borzou Azabdaftari > Falcon Print and Copy > 1921 Gallows Road > Suite 150 > Vienna, VA 22182 > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Fri Sep 5 09:59:28 2008 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Fri Sep 5 09:59:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:{OFF} Jace is ok, gettin' political... In-Reply-To: <004e01c90f5a$344ffb60$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <003301c90f5f$9d698da0$5b01a8c0@fileserver> Hal, please don't judge a whole region by the way New Orleans is viewed in the media and by politically correct politicians. The 9th ward in New Orleans is a direct result of white, guilt ridden liberals' policies creating a class of people that know nothing about providing for themselves so to judge a whole region based on the way those people have to be cared for is just not correct. Who knows how many generations have been living just like this so this is all they know. I would guess they are in about the 5th or 6th generation but maybe more. I'm not saying the people in the 9th ward are right but I am saying blame your liberal friends and politicians as much or more than you blame people that have been very systematically destroyed by them. It would be the same if a hurricane or flood hit in any large urban area such as Chicago, New York or any where there are massive public housing and a nanny state. It's not just New Orleans. Think of it as 24/7 daycare provided by your government and your tax dollars. Like it or not LBJ and his war on poverty and a long line of liberals since have created a dependent group of people that can't function as the rest of us do. It's not that they aren't smart enough but they simply have never had to do anything and they have constantly been told that the government owes them so simply demand your rights and sit back and wait. They have been told they can't succeed because they and their ancestors have been so mistreated and the people have accepted that message. I know this email won't be well received by some on this list but I don't apologize. In fact I think the liberals in this country owe the people in the 9th ward and similar places an apology along with an apology to the American taxpayer. It won't ever happen but they really do owe an apology because they have convinced these people they are 2nd class with no hope unless it comes from the government. Liberals are well intended but are still elitist racist bigots. Of course they will deny that and curse me for saying these things but too bad and have at it. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Hal Wendt Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 8:21 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Careful, you were just warned by the P/C police that they don't like political posts here.. I have a serious question though --- When the heartland was flooded and folks were forced to move, did FEMA pay their hotel bills? What about the California folks who had to evacuate because of the fires? I assume if they lost their homes FEMA put them up and paid the bills? or is it strictly a Louisiana thing? Hal ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Bird To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 5:47 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Woo Hoo, I'll put one on my Gas eating Mustang GT also as I drive with the top down enjoying the last few days of summer in Upstate NY. I hope she can do for this country what she has done for the state of Alaska. Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 3:37 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In every sense of the word, a clueless, sad, joke. Written by people who have no clue what makes this country go. In celebration of Sarah's kick ass speech last night, today I'm putting on a Mcain/Palin bumper sticker on my V8 Gas guzzling white convertible Mustang to celebrate. They never saw her coming, and I can't wait to watch her to turn Biden into Moosebait. S. At 11:28 AM 9/4/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >Scott: > >Here is your answer. > >http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/ > > > >Gail Finke >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >8630 Winton Road >Cincinnati, OH 45231 >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >(513) 522-2679 >Fax 522-2692 >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >info@brentwood-printing.com >www.brentwood-printing.com > > > > >On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Scott Finke wrote: > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>OK, focusing on printing: >> >>Without starting a political hoopla-thread (although we could under >>an OFF title ) has anyone heard much about either Presidential >>candidate concerning their platforms on small business? >> >>JMc. has a section about it on his website that shows the 4-5 >>things he would do to help small businesses (they talk about >>healthcare costs, corp. tax rate and a first year deduction expense >>on equipment investments. Also inheritance tax, which could effect >>a business changeover. >> >>I am not going to quote it all, here's a link >> >>http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/smallbusiness.htm >> >> >>I bumped into this Friday afternoon looking for the scoop on Palin. >> >>Anyone know what BHO has to say on such pertinent topics? >> >> >> >> >>Scott Finke >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >>8630 Winton Road >>Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>Phone: (513) 522.2679 >>Fax (513) 522.2692 >>Email: info@brentwood-printing.com >>www.Brentwood-Printing.com >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>Send us your file at: >>http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> >> >> >> >>On Sep 2, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: >> >>>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>>The primary reason a large number of folks >>>>use the emergency room is they know it is or will be free and >>>>they don't >>>>have to pay a cent. They don't have to have insurance. >>>========================= >>> >>>Right. Their insurance is all the rest of us paying twice as much >>>as any service would normally cost, OK maybe half again as much, >>>so that hospitals don't go bankrupt over all the no pay emergency >>>customers. >>>We are clearly paying for everyone's medical care already. Why >>>not just make it official. >>> >>>I voted for Mit Romney as the only GOP candidate who had real >>>experience in implementing universal health care. I was ready to >>>support Hillary. I'll be curious to see what Barak and John have >>>to say about it. >>> >>>Of course that's just one issue, but as a business owner who buys >>>$30,000 worth of health insurance every year, competing with other >>>businesses who don't offer it at all, it's an issue I'm interested >>>in. >>> >>>Dan Huntingford >>>SOS Printing >>>2319 Washington Street >>>Port Townsend, WA 98368 >>>Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >>>sos@olympus.net >>>(360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >>>_______________________________________________ >>>PrintOwners Discussion List >>>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3415 (20080904) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3418 (20080905) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From dvmonto at optonline.net Fri Sep 5 10:00:34 2008 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Fri Sep 5 10:00:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 "A man who is not a liberal in his twenties has no heart, and a man who is not a conservative in his forties has no brain" - Churchill On 9/5/08 9:24 AM, "Borzou Azabdaftari" wrote: > There's an old Churchill quote that goes something to the effect of "Any man > how is under 30 and is not a liberal has not a heart. Any man who is over > 40 and is not a conservative has not a brain" > From tracy at commercialpressink.com Fri Sep 5 10:05:52 2008 From: tracy at commercialpressink.com (Tracy Charleson) Date: Fri Sep 5 10:05:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Politics OFF Comments In-Reply-To: <20080905132620.03FA31068091@rb.enter.net> References: <20080905132620.03FA31068091@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: > Borzou, Although I find a lot of what you have to say concerning printing to be logical and valuable, this whole post just pissed me off. There is a group on Pong on politics, which Dave somehow got us on so now I get their emails and which I see alot of you on.. When I open that I EXPECT to get annoyed and listen to different political views then my own, but I really hate seeing it on this group. Just for the record, time will definitely show us who's right or wrong. Borzou you have plenty to be worried about if Obama becomes President of our great United States. What a broad generalization you make by saying No one could do worse then Bush. Well if Obama wins we'll see. So far he is a complete LIAR! From now on I guess I will pass on reading these threads on Printowners. Tracy "Did you know...;. When you shop locally-owned businesses, your money is re-circulated over and over and creates up to 75% more tax revenue to our community and state." Tracy Charleson Commercial Press, Inc. 216 Cowan Road Canton, New York 13617 Phone: (315) 386-3431 Fax: (315) 386-5259 email: info@commercialpressink.com http://www.commercialpressink.com > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:24:48 -0400 > From: Borzou Azabdaftari > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > There's an old Churchill quote that goes something to the effect of > "Any man > how is under 30 and is not a liberal has not a heart. Any man who > is over > 40 and is not a conservative has not a brain" > > Now maybe I'm right on the cusp. I hate the idea of paying more > taxes. > Especially estate tax, which looks to be 4 times higher under > Obama's plan. > We're also reaching the end of worst president in modern history > (probably > ever), and nothing is scarier than more 4 more years of the same. Its > literally impossible for Obama to do worse for this country than > Bush. I > know no one likes getting taxed excessively, but we still have our > congressmen to protect us. Were your pockets getting fatter under the > balanced budget, liberal days of Clinton, or since we started > sinking even > farther into debt for this completely unnecessary war? Now I > understand the > economy is cyclical, but its a hard to argue with results. > > Now as an Iranian-American I should even more strongly support > McCain. I > have a friend very high up in the GOP that has gotten Iranian- > American's > minority status (we weren't minorities 3 months ago). Which makes me > eligible for 8(a) certification and is projected to funnel $10 > billion into > the Iranian-American economy over the next 10 years. Obama is almost > certain to reverse this as that money comes directly out of the > pockets of > African Americans. > > Also the war has made Iran a major power in the middle east, so > technically > I shouldn't even upset about that. > > But I can't get over how the Republican's buy the rich, and bowl > over the > poor (who really should be voting liberal) with talk of abortion > and guns. > I mean, this is still America, you'll always have both. I can't > get over > how Bush blatantly fleeced everyone with false reasons for a war, > and we > didn't even get cheap gas (which yes, would have made it ok with > me). I > find it infuriating. > > And McCain, who I loved in 2000, has clearly rolled over. The > straight talk > express has pulled into the station, and he's riding the > Bush/Republican/Special Interests hegemony's train. > > Obama's lack of experience is the most attractive thing about him. > If you > don't believe him, that's one thing. But if you think he's really > going to > try and do good, its a welcome change that I think everyone should > get on > board for. I have way more faith, in every arena, in Obama/Biden > than I do > in McCain/Palin. (Seriously, you guys like Palin?) > > So, who am I voting for? I don't know. I'm surprised too. But I > really > feel like I'm choosing between what's better for the world, and what's > better for me. And I think that's really sad. > > > Borzou Azabdaftari > Falcon Print and Copy > 1921 Gallows Road > Suite 150 > Vienna, VA 22182 > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > From hal at pickimp.com Fri Sep 5 10:09:41 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Fri Sep 5 10:07:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... References: Message-ID: <001501c90f61$0cd1f320$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Send more --- Trust me here, I am definitely NOT the P/C police. My whole post was meant to be sarcastic. I'll do better next time. I promise. Hal From hal at pickimp.com Fri Sep 5 10:19:49 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Fri Sep 5 10:17:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:{OFF} Jace is ok, gettin' political... References: <003301c90f5f$9d698da0$5b01a8c0@fileserver> Message-ID: <002101c90f62$7b851260$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> I am judging, but not apologizing. Detroit is less than 5 miles Norh of here, on the same road. I understand deeply what the problem is ----- Hell, Detroit doesn't even have seated mayor as of yesterday, and the murder investigation is still in progress, half the city council is under FBI invenstigation and will most likely be indicted before Christmas. This stuff makes Marion Barry look like an altar boy, Ray Nagin too. Hal From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 5 10:24:20 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Fri Sep 5 10:23:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C14114.4020809@satx.rr.com> Worst President? Where were you during the Carter administration? Bush will have to be settled by historians, but I know that he is no where near as bad as Carter. I was going to hold my nose to cast a vote for McCain, because I could never vote a socialist into the white house. Obama's handlers are giving us socialism plain and simple. Once I heard Sarah Palin speak I'm happy to vote for him and hope he only lasts a year so she can take charge. Kick butt and take names. We need a normal person in there and from where I sit she is as normal as the come, complete with common sense. I fear for my country if Obama somehow gets elected. I hope we can survive 4 years of socialist policy with out breaking the union. The choice for a small businessman is between a man who has no idea what happens to make money and a man who was smart enough to bring in a Vice-Presidential pick that has worked for a living. I'm going with the latter. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > > Now maybe I'm right on the cusp. I hate the idea of paying more taxes. > Especially estate tax, which looks to be 4 times higher under Obama's plan. > We're also reaching the end of worst president in modern history (probably > ever), and nothing is scarier than more 4 more years of the same. Its > literally impossible for Obama to do worse for this country than Bush. I > know no one likes getting taxed excessively, but we still have our > congressmen to protect us. Were your pockets getting fatter under the > balanced budget, liberal days of Clinton, or since we started sinking even > farther into debt for this completely unnecessary war? Now I understand the > economy is cyclical, but its a hard to argue with results. > > > From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Fri Sep 5 10:33:55 2008 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Fri Sep 5 10:33:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:{OFF} Jace is ok, gettin' political... In-Reply-To: <002101c90f62$7b851260$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <003701c90f64$6d8af7e0$5b01a8c0@fileserver> Hal wrote: "I am judging, but not apologizing. Detroit is less than 5 miles North of here, on the same road. I understand deeply what the problem is -----" Ok, just to be sure I understand then. All of Louisiana and the south is like the 9th ward in New Orleans therefore all of Michigan and the mid-west is like Detroit. I think I have it now and thanks for clearing it up. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Hal Wendt Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 9:20 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE:{OFF} Jace is ok, gettin' political... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am judging, but not apologizing. Detroit is less than 5 miles Norh of here, on the same road. I understand deeply what the problem is ----- Hell, Detroit doesn't even have seated mayor as of yesterday, and the murder investigation is still in progress, half the city council is under FBI invenstigation and will most likely be indicted before Christmas. This stuff makes Marion Barry look like an altar boy, Ray Nagin too. Hal _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3418 (20080905) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From bob at rjmprinting.com Fri Sep 5 10:49:11 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Fri Sep 5 10:49:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Borzou, >From your comments it seems you are living in the wrong country. Please feel free to leave anytime... "We are all Americans"-John McCain Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 8:25 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** There's an old Churchill quote that goes something to the effect of "Any man how is under 30 and is not a liberal has not a heart. Any man who is over 40 and is not a conservative has not a brain" Now maybe I'm right on the cusp. I hate the idea of paying more taxes. Especially estate tax, which looks to be 4 times higher under Obama's plan. We're also reaching the end of worst president in modern history (probably ever), and nothing is scarier than more 4 more years of the same. Its literally impossible for Obama to do worse for this country than Bush. I know no one likes getting taxed excessively, but we still have our congressmen to protect us. Were your pockets getting fatter under the balanced budget, liberal days of Clinton, or since we started sinking even farther into debt for this completely unnecessary war? Now I understand the economy is cyclical, but its a hard to argue with results. Now as an Iranian-American I should even more strongly support McCain. I have a friend very high up in the GOP that has gotten Iranian-American's minority status (we weren't minorities 3 months ago). Which makes me eligible for 8(a) certification and is projected to funnel $10 billion into the Iranian-American economy over the next 10 years. Obama is almost certain to reverse this as that money comes directly out of the pockets of African Americans. Also the war has made Iran a major power in the middle east, so technically I shouldn't even upset about that. But I can't get over how the Republican's buy the rich, and bowl over the poor (who really should be voting liberal) with talk of abortion and guns. I mean, this is still America, you'll always have both. I can't get over how Bush blatantly fleeced everyone with false reasons for a war, and we didn't even get cheap gas (which yes, would have made it ok with me). I find it infuriating. And McCain, who I loved in 2000, has clearly rolled over. The straight talk express has pulled into the station, and he's riding the Bush/Republican/Special Interests hegemony's train. Obama's lack of experience is the most attractive thing about him. If you don't believe him, that's one thing. But if you think he's really going to try and do good, its a welcome change that I think everyone should get on board for. I have way more faith, in every arena, in Obama/Biden than I do in McCain/Palin. (Seriously, you guys like Palin?) So, who am I voting for? I don't know. I'm surprised too. But I really feel like I'm choosing between what's better for the world, and what's better for me. And I think that's really sad. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Linda Baribeau > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:02:33 -0500 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Bird" > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:47 PM > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Woo Hoo, >> >> I'll put one on my Gas eating Mustang GT also as I drive with the >> top down enjoying the last few days of summer in Upstate NY. I hope she > can >> do for this country what she has done for the state of Alaska. >> >> Rick Bird >> Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. >> 3649 California Road >> Orchard Park, NY 14127 >> (716) 662-1515 >> (716) 662-5917 - Fax >> gamble@choiceonemail.com - email >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel >> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 3:37 PM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> In every sense of the word, a clueless, sad, joke. >> >> Written by people who have no clue what makes this country go. >> >> In celebration of Sarah's kick ass speech last night, today I'm >> putting on a Mcain/Palin bumper sticker on my V8 Gas guzzling white >> convertible Mustang to celebrate. >> >> They never saw her coming, and I can't wait to watch her to turn >> Biden into Moosebait. >> >> S. >> >> >> >> >> At 11:28 AM 9/4/2008, you wrote: >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> >>> Scott: >>> >>> Here is your answer. >>> >>> http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/ >>> >>> >>> >>> Gail Finke >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>> Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >>> 8630 Winton Road >>> Cincinnati, OH 45231 >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>> (513) 522-2679 >>> Fax 522-2692 >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>> info@brentwood-printing.com >>> www.brentwood-printing.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Scott Finke wrote: >>> >>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>> >>>> OK, focusing on printing: >>>> >>>> Without starting a political hoopla-thread (although we could under >>>> an OFF title ) has anyone heard much about either Presidential >>>> candidate concerning their platforms on small business? >>>> >>>> JMc. has a section about it on his website that shows the 4-5 >>>> things he would do to help small businesses (they talk about >>>> healthcare costs, corp. tax rate and a first year deduction expense >>>> on equipment investments. Also inheritance tax, which could effect >>>> a business changeover. >>>> >>>> I am not going to quote it all, here's a link >>>> >>>> http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/smallbusiness.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> I bumped into this Friday afternoon looking for the scoop on Palin. >>>> >>>> Anyone know what BHO has to say on such pertinent topics? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Scott Finke >>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>> Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >>>> 8630 Winton Road >>>> Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 >>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>> Phone: (513) 522.2679 >>>> Fax (513) 522.2692 >>>> Email: info@brentwood-printing.com >>>> www.Brentwood-Printing.com >>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>> Send us your file at: >>>> http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html >>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 2, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: >>>> >>>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>>> >>>>> The primary reason a large number of folks >>>>>> use the emergency room is they know it is or will be free and >>>>>> they don't >>>>>> have to pay a cent. They don't have to have insurance. >>>>> ========================= >>>>> >>>>> Right. Their insurance is all the rest of us paying twice as much >>>>> as any service would normally cost, OK maybe half again as much, >>>>> so that hospitals don't go bankrupt over all the no pay emergency >>>>> customers. >>>>> We are clearly paying for everyone's medical care already. Why >>>>> not just make it official. >>>>> >>>>> I voted for Mit Romney as the only GOP candidate who had real >>>>> experience in implementing universal health care. I was ready to >>>>> support Hillary. I'll be curious to see what Barak and John have >>>>> to say about it. >>>>> >>>>> Of course that's just one issue, but as a business owner who buys >>>>> $30,000 worth of health insurance every year, competing with other >>>>> businesses who don't offer it at all, it's an issue I'm interested >>>>> in. >>>>> >>>>> Dan Huntingford >>>>> SOS Printing >>>>> 2319 Washington Street >>>>> Port Townsend, WA 98368 >>>>> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >>>>> sos@olympus.net >>>>> (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> __________ NOD32 3415 (20080904) Information __________ >>> >>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Scott Cappel >> >> Sorrento Mesa Printing >> 7398 Trade Street >> San Diego, CA 92121-2422 >> 858-527-0800 >> 858-527-1740 FAX >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com >> >> LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa >> >> Direct Links for Learning: >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html >> >> Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider >> Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider >> Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level >> Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider >> >> Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From falconprinting at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 10:58:44 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Fri Sep 5 10:58:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tracy, Was mine the first political email? Funny its the one that elicited a response. Lets at least call a spade a spade. If it was the fact that it was a political post, your response would have come for one of the many other posts. I appreciate that you don't buy into my ideology, but don't pretend its the general "political" nature of it that you're taking issue with. Bob, You're a bigot. Just because I haven't decided that I'm voting for McCain doesn't make me any less a patriot. I hope to see you in Chicago. Everyone, If no one wants political discourse on this list, don't start it. Don't get upset with me for representing the other side of the argument. My name might be different but I was born in Alabama and every bit an American as some hump in Minnesota. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Bob Molacek > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:49:11 -0500 > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Borzou, > >> From your comments it seems you are living in the wrong country. Please > feel free to leave anytime... > > "We are all Americans"-John McCain > > > Bob Molacek > Sir Speedy Printing > 7793 Ranchers Road > Fridley, MN 55432 > 763-571-4608 > bob@rjmprinting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 8:25 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > There's an old Churchill quote that goes something to the effect of "Any man > how is under 30 and is not a liberal has not a heart. Any man who is over > 40 and is not a conservative has not a brain" > > Now maybe I'm right on the cusp. I hate the idea of paying more taxes. > Especially estate tax, which looks to be 4 times higher under Obama's plan. > We're also reaching the end of worst president in modern history (probably > ever), and nothing is scarier than more 4 more years of the same. Its > literally impossible for Obama to do worse for this country than Bush. I > know no one likes getting taxed excessively, but we still have our > congressmen to protect us. Were your pockets getting fatter under the > balanced budget, liberal days of Clinton, or since we started sinking even > farther into debt for this completely unnecessary war? Now I understand the > economy is cyclical, but its a hard to argue with results. > > Now as an Iranian-American I should even more strongly support McCain. I > have a friend very high up in the GOP that has gotten Iranian-American's > minority status (we weren't minorities 3 months ago). Which makes me > eligible for 8(a) certification and is projected to funnel $10 billion into > the Iranian-American economy over the next 10 years. Obama is almost > certain to reverse this as that money comes directly out of the pockets of > African Americans. > > Also the war has made Iran a major power in the middle east, so technically > I shouldn't even upset about that. > > But I can't get over how the Republican's buy the rich, and bowl over the > poor (who really should be voting liberal) with talk of abortion and guns. > I mean, this is still America, you'll always have both. I can't get over > how Bush blatantly fleeced everyone with false reasons for a war, and we > didn't even get cheap gas (which yes, would have made it ok with me). I > find it infuriating. > > And McCain, who I loved in 2000, has clearly rolled over. The straight talk > express has pulled into the station, and he's riding the > Bush/Republican/Special Interests hegemony's train. > > Obama's lack of experience is the most attractive thing about him. If you > don't believe him, that's one thing. But if you think he's really going to > try and do good, its a welcome change that I think everyone should get on > board for. I have way more faith, in every arena, in Obama/Biden than I do > in McCain/Palin. (Seriously, you guys like Palin?) > > So, who am I voting for? I don't know. I'm surprised too. But I really > feel like I'm choosing between what's better for the world, and what's > better for me. And I think that's really sad. > > > Borzou Azabdaftari > Falcon Print and Copy > 1921 Gallows Road > Suite 150 > Vienna, VA 22182 > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > >> From: Linda Baribeau >> Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:02:33 -0500 >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rick Bird" >> To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" >> >> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:47 PM >> Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... >> >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Woo Hoo, >>> >>> I'll put one on my Gas eating Mustang GT also as I drive with the >>> top down enjoying the last few days of summer in Upstate NY. I hope she >> can >>> do for this country what she has done for the state of Alaska. >>> >>> Rick Bird >>> Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. >>> 3649 California Road >>> Orchard Park, NY 14127 >>> (716) 662-1515 >>> (716) 662-5917 - Fax >>> gamble@choiceonemail.com - email >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >>> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel >>> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 3:37 PM >>> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >>> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... >>> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> >>> In every sense of the word, a clueless, sad, joke. >>> >>> Written by people who have no clue what makes this country go. >>> >>> In celebration of Sarah's kick ass speech last night, today I'm >>> putting on a Mcain/Palin bumper sticker on my V8 Gas guzzling white >>> convertible Mustang to celebrate. >>> >>> They never saw her coming, and I can't wait to watch her to turn >>> Biden into Moosebait. >>> >>> S. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> At 11:28 AM 9/4/2008, you wrote: >>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>> >>>> >>>> Scott: >>>> >>>> Here is your answer. >>>> >>>> http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gail Finke >>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>> Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >>>> 8630 Winton Road >>>> Cincinnati, OH 45231 >>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>> (513) 522-2679 >>>> Fax 522-2692 >>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>> info@brentwood-printing.com >>>> www.brentwood-printing.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Scott Finke wrote: >>>> >>>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>>> >>>>> OK, focusing on printing: >>>>> >>>>> Without starting a political hoopla-thread (although we could under >>>>> an OFF title ) has anyone heard much about either Presidential >>>>> candidate concerning their platforms on small business? >>>>> >>>>> JMc. has a section about it on his website that shows the 4-5 >>>>> things he would do to help small businesses (they talk about >>>>> healthcare costs, corp. tax rate and a first year deduction expense >>>>> on equipment investments. Also inheritance tax, which could effect >>>>> a business changeover. >>>>> >>>>> I am not going to quote it all, here's a link >>>>> >>>>> http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/smallbusiness.htm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I bumped into this Friday afternoon looking for the scoop on Palin. >>>>> >>>>> Anyone know what BHO has to say on such pertinent topics? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Scott Finke >>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>> Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >>>>> 8630 Winton Road >>>>> Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 >>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>> Phone: (513) 522.2679 >>>>> Fax (513) 522.2692 >>>>> Email: info@brentwood-printing.com >>>>> www.Brentwood-Printing.com >>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>> Send us your file at: >>>>> http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html >>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 2, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>>>> >>>>>> The primary reason a large number of folks >>>>>>> use the emergency room is they know it is or will be free and >>>>>>> they don't >>>>>>> have to pay a cent. They don't have to have insurance. >>>>>> ========================= >>>>>> >>>>>> Right. Their insurance is all the rest of us paying twice as much >>>>>> as any service would normally cost, OK maybe half again as much, >>>>>> so that hospitals don't go bankrupt over all the no pay emergency >>>>>> customers. >>>>>> We are clearly paying for everyone's medical care already. Why >>>>>> not just make it official. >>>>>> >>>>>> I voted for Mit Romney as the only GOP candidate who had real >>>>>> experience in implementing universal health care. I was ready to >>>>>> support Hillary. I'll be curious to see what Barak and John have >>>>>> to say about it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course that's just one issue, but as a business owner who buys >>>>>> $30,000 worth of health insurance every year, competing with other >>>>>> businesses who don't offer it at all, it's an issue I'm interested >>>>>> in. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dan Huntingford >>>>>> SOS Printing >>>>>> 2319 Washington Street >>>>>> Port Townsend, WA 98368 >>>>>> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >>>>>> sos@olympus.net >>>>>> (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ NOD32 3415 (20080904) Information __________ >>>> >>>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> >>> Scott Cappel >>> >>> Sorrento Mesa Printing >>> 7398 Trade Street >>> San Diego, CA 92121-2422 >>> 858-527-0800 >>> 858-527-1740 FAX >>> http://www.sorrentomesa.com >>> >>> LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa >>> >>> Direct Links for Learning: >>> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html >>> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html >>> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html >>> >>> Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider >>> Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider >>> Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level >>> Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider >>> >>> Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From robin at protypeonline.com Fri Sep 5 11:13:23 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Fri Sep 5 11:13:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Equipment Questions Message-ID: <8A361A96-C41A-4AF6-8E46-E3A89C173CC7@protypeonline.com> Has anyone demo'd or maybe purchased the Fujipla ALM 3220 Automatic Laminator? Will automatically feed 200 sheets of stock, laminate and trim.... Does it work as stated? Cost of film - -ASAP Film? Also, our X-rite tunnel shrink wrap unit has been giving us fits for most of 2008! The heat wires keep breaking. We have talked with technicians, suppliers and had a repair guy here -- tried different wires, I think we have tried everything, so now I'm asking other users if you might have any ideas? About 5 mins. ago, the wire was not even being "used" -- the arm was up and SNAP! wire broke. ?????? robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri Sep 5 11:15:15 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri Sep 5 11:15:37 2008 Subject: (OFF) Re: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... Message-ID: In a message dated 9/5/2008 10:55:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bob@rjmprinting.com writes: Borzou, >From your comments it seems you are living in the wrong country. Please feel free to leave anytime... Yeah Bob, "love it or leave it," right? My God, I might expect the above uninformed, knee-jerk comment from an ignorant good old boy from Mississippi, but the above is one of the most bigoted statements I have read in a long time. Are the Molacek's from Minnesota now deciding what American citizens can say about their country and what they can't? I thought many of Borzou's comments were pretty rational, and even subdued, but whether I agree with him or not, I would never presume or suggest that he is living in the wrong country because he says something I don't agree with. Your statement makes you look like a fool. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and suggest that maybe you hit the send key before you realized how insulting such a statement really is. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From sos at olympus.net Fri Sep 5 11:32:20 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Sep 5 11:34:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:{OFF} gettin' political... References: <003301c90f5f$9d698da0$5b01a8c0@fileserver> Message-ID: <00a901c90f6c$966006d0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > Liberals are well intended but are still elitist racist bigots. Of course > they will deny that and curse me for saying these things but too bad and > have at it. ==================== I don't believe they are racists bigots, it's just the law of unintended consequences rearing its ugly head, again. Elitist, yes. They, the liberals, truly believe they know better than we, the people. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From carole at wordcatering.com Fri Sep 5 11:32:20 2008 From: carole at wordcatering.com (Carole M. Rike) Date: Fri Sep 5 11:36:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok In-Reply-To: <00d601c90d16$e4c4bcb0$6401a8c0@coranew> References: <8B5CDF9DC5554621B1BA991247583165@Leo4allPC> <00d601c90d16$e4c4bcb0$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: Hey Cora - We are living on the North Shore, about 45 miles from New Orleans. This side of the lake was possibly hit worse than the South Shore. Huge number of people in the state without power - 1.3 million last I heard. Baton Rouge hit very hard. I'm not sure about damage in Mississippi. We have been without power since Monday, just got power back, so I'm somewhat behind on the news except the local radio bulletins on where to get gas or ice, etc. Carole M. Rike Word Catering, Ltd. PRINTING SOLUTIONS 48299 Stafford Road . Tickfaw, LA 70466 __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3419 (20080905) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From carole at wordcatering.com Fri Sep 5 11:34:49 2008 From: carole at wordcatering.com (Carole M. Rike) Date: Fri Sep 5 11:39:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok In-Reply-To: <48BD6A99.3040505@satx.rr.com> References: <8B5CDF9DC5554621B1BA991247583165@Leo4allPC><001401c90d14$d301fe40$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> <48BD6A99.3040505@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: New Orleans has a huge population of Asians. None of them were on TV after Katrina, and they had their little parts of town up and working when everyone was still away. Listening to New Orleans radio late into the night, I was disappointed that people were calling in to claim that the power outages are racist . . . . No one wants these people. Nagin started busing them back into New Orleans before regular people were able to return. They are really not welcome anywhere else. Carole M. Rike Word Catering, Ltd. PRINTING SOLUTIONS 48299 Stafford Road . Tickfaw, LA 70466 They are sheltering evacuees here again. Last night I commented to my wife that all the faces I saw in the free shelters were black, no Hispanics or Anglos. Watching one complain they weren't being given money to pay for the gas for the trip really aggravated me. If I had to do a bug out I would take care of my own as I'm sure many on this list would. I don't want to sound racist and maybe the observation is, but why do Anglos and Hispanics seem more likely to deal with this sort of thing without whining? __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3419 (20080905) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From joe at calagaz.com Fri Sep 5 11:42:13 2008 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Fri Sep 5 11:42:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Equipment Questions Message-ID: I have the Fujipla and if you can stomach the cost (about $17K if I remember) and a higher cost of film for a product that is very consistent and is more or less hands off when running it is an awesome product.....I was doing a fair amount of lamination and was very unhappy with the finished product I was getting before(inconsistent size, not straight....lots of labor) and now I am happy to put my name on the lamination..... Call me if you want to talk details..... Joe Calagaz Calagaz Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:13 AM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Equipment Questions ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Has anyone demo'd or maybe purchased the Fujipla ALM 3220 Automatic Laminator? Will automatically feed 200 sheets of stock, laminate and trim.... Does it work as stated? Cost of film - -ASAP Film? Also, our X-rite tunnel shrink wrap unit has been giving us fits for most of 2008! The heat wires keep breaking. We have talked with technicians, suppliers and had a repair guy here -- tried different wires, I think we have tried everything, so now I'm asking other users if you might have any ideas? About 5 mins. ago, the wire was not even being "used" -- the arm was up and SNAP! wire broke. ?????? robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Fri Sep 5 11:42:43 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Sep 5 11:45:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] gettin' political... References: Message-ID: <00c701c90f6e$098db1b0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Borzou Azabdaftari" My name > might be different but I was born in Alabama and every bit an American as > some hump in Minnesota. ================= Now I'm confused. If you were born in Alabama, how are you going to get 10 billion dollars through Iranian minority status through an SBA 8(a) program, by voting for McCain??? Our government must be even more screwed up than I thought. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From falconprinting at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 11:53:27 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Fri Sep 5 11:53:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] gettin' political... In-Reply-To: <00c701c90f6e$098db1b0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: It doesn't matter where you born. You're ethnicity is either on the list or its not. Until a few months ago I was Caucasian. Now I'm not. I wish they had done this before I went to college. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Dan Huntingford > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:42:43 -0700 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] [OFF] gettin' political... > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Borzou Azabdaftari" > My name >> might be different but I was born in Alabama and every bit an American as >> some hump in Minnesota. > ================= > > Now I'm confused. If you were born in Alabama, how are you going to get 10 > billion dollars through Iranian minority status through an SBA 8(a) program, > by voting for McCain??? > > Our government must be even more screwed up than I thought. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Sep 5 12:03:52 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Sep 5 12:06:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I guess I kind of started this.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200809051605.m85G5rXD012931@i2bnetworks.com> and I apologize for sending this list into a tailspin. I didn't really mean to do this, I was very excited about Sarah Palin's speech and guess I kinda got carried away. I'm writing this because I know Bob's about to step in and shut us all down, so I'm going to take some responsibility here and try to put the control rods back in.... The reality is that everyone is entitles to their opinion, its what makes this country (and a kick ass military) the strongest on Earth. Personally I'm looking forward to meeting Borzou in Chicago, he seems like an intelligent, honest guy who may have different political views but that doesn't mean we can't be friends. Many on this list remember Greg LeRoy who is no longer subscribed (I think) because he sold his printing business and moved on to other ventures. Greg incited a lot of discontent on this list because of his ultra liberal views. Many here did not like him, but I'm probably the only one that has ever met him. I had him and his wife over to my house last year when he was visiting San Diego and we had lunch in my kitchen (along with my wife as well). He had on a tie die t-shirt, waws wearing Birkenstocks and he was driving a rented Prius...totally in character with what you would expect (actually made me laugh because he was exactly as you would imagine.) But he was a very nice guy, smart, intelligent, personable. I liked meeting him and having him in my home. We are on polar opposite ends of the ideological spectrum, but just because someone has different political views doesn't mean he can't be your friend. So, we're all friends here, we all have points of view, we're all driven to be successful, and we're all have more in common than not. Just remember that before you hit the send key. S. _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From championprinting at yahoo.com Fri Sep 5 12:36:24 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Fri Sep 5 12:36:28 2008 Subject: OFF Re: [PrintOwners] I guess I kind of started this.... Message-ID: <320123.77101.qm@web38302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is why we (the list junkies) seek Scott's (among other wise ones) council. He knows how to analyze and does not loose sight of the "big picture". Ted Gelletly Allegra Print & Imaging (formerly Champion Printing) 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 championprinting@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Scott Cappel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 12:03:52 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] I guess I kind of started this.... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** and I apologize for sending this list into a tailspin. I didn't really mean to do this, I was very excited about Sarah Palin's speech and guess I kinda got carried away. I'm writing this because I know Bob's about to step in and shut us all down, so I'm going to take some responsibility here and try to put the control rods back in.... The reality is that everyone is entitles to their opinion, its what makes this country (and a kick ass military) the strongest on Earth. Personally I'm looking forward to meeting Borzou in Chicago, he seems like an intelligent, honest guy who may have different political views but that doesn't mean we can't be friends. Many on this list remember Greg LeRoy who is no longer subscribed (I think) because he sold his printing business and moved on to other ventures. Greg incited a lot of discontent on this list because of his ultra liberal views. Many here did not like him, but I'm probably the only one that has ever met him. I had him and his wife over to my house last year when he was visiting San Diego and we had lunch in my kitchen (along with my wife as well). He had on a tie die t-shirt, waws wearing Birkenstocks and he was driving a rented Prius...totally in character with what you would expect (actually made me laugh because he was exactly as you would imagine.) But he was a very nice guy, smart, intelligent, personable. I liked meeting him and having him in my home. We are on polar opposite ends of the ideological spectrum, but just because someone has different political views doesn't mean he can't be your friend. So, we're all friends here, we all have points of view, we're all driven to be successful, and we're all have more in common than not. Just remember that before you hit the send key. S. _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Fri Sep 5 12:43:47 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Fri Sep 5 12:43:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] (OFF) Politics In-Reply-To: <200809051605.m85G5rXD012931@i2bnetworks.com> References: <200809051605.m85G5rXD012931@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <938D527D-3E07-4C37-841D-8D344AADBE96@bellsouth.net> Well said! Actually, I like political posts on this list, as long as they are titled "Off." When I'm busy, I delete. When I am interested, I learn from other points of view. Quite honestly, anyone who thinks their party is 100% right is usually not worth listening to. I suspect most American's are somewhere towards the middle. The rhetoric on both sides when carried to the extreme is ignorant in my opinion.... The divisive "party first" politics, if continued, spells trouble for our country... By the way, I found nothing in Borzou's post that made me think he was one of the guys who is always 100% right and anyone who disagrees with him is wrong. Looked to me like a post from someone expressing their views, but willing to listen. I appreciated his opinion and questions. He even said he still doesn't know who he will vote for... If we, as a group of business owners, can't respectfully disagree with each other on issues, how in the world can we be discouraged or upset when the politicians we elect can't or won't either? What did I like best about Sarah Palin? She is not the typical politician! I was inspired and excited by her speech.... She is obviously smart, confident and dedicated. She seems like she is a "real person.". Not a professional politician. Her brother just opened a gas station. Her kids make mistakes. He husband is a real guy, not a "trophy spouse." And the press making a big deal about his DWI 20 years ago is laughable....., along with some of their other attacks. Quite honestly, I wish she was running for the big office... I also wish more people like her from both party's were running for office. I have no problem voting for someone on the other ticket when I feel they are qualified and support some of the things I do. So, in my opinion, keep the discussions going, mark them "Off" and agree or disagree with respect and we'll all learn a little.. Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Sep 5, 2008, at 12:03 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > and I apologize for sending this list into a tailspin. > > I didn't really mean to do this, I was very excited about Sarah > Palin's speech and guess I kinda got carried away. > > I'm writing this because I know Bob's about to step in and shut us > all down, so I'm going to take some responsibility here and try to > put the control rods back in.... > > The reality is that everyone is entitles to their opinion, its what > makes this country (and a kick ass military) the strongest on Earth. > Personally I'm looking forward to meeting Borzou in Chicago, he > seems like an intelligent, honest guy who may have different > political views but that doesn't mean we can't be friends. > > Many on this list remember Greg LeRoy who is no longer subscribed (I > think) because he sold his printing business and moved on to other > ventures. Greg incited a lot of discontent on this list because of > his ultra liberal views. Many here did not like him, but I'm > probably the only one that has ever met him. I had him and his wife > over to my house last year when he was visiting San Diego and we had > lunch in my kitchen (along with my wife as well). He had on a tie > die t-shirt, waws wearing Birkenstocks and he was driving a rented > Prius...totally in character with what you would expect (actually > made me laugh because he was exactly as you would imagine.) But he > was a very nice guy, smart, intelligent, personable. I liked meeting > him and having him in my home. We are on polar opposite ends of the > ideological spectrum, but just because someone has different > political views doesn't mean he can't be your friend. > > So, we're all friends here, we all have points of view, we're all > driven to be successful, and we're all have more in common than not. > > Just remember that before you hit the send key. > > S. > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From david at commercialpressink.com Fri Sep 5 13:12:21 2008 From: david at commercialpressink.com (David Charleson) Date: Fri Sep 5 13:08:12 2008 Subject: SPAM-MED: [PrintOwners] I guess I kind of started this.... In-Reply-To: <200809051605.m85G5rXD012931@i2bnetworks.com> References: <200809051605.m85G5rXD012931@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <48C16875.8010905@commercialpressink.com> Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > and I apologize for sending this list into a tailspin. > > I didn't really mean to do this, I was very excited about Sarah > Palin's speech and guess I kinda got carried away. > > I'm writing this because I know Bob's about to step in and shut us all > down, so I'm going to take some responsibility here and try to put the > control rods back in.... > > The reality is that everyone is entitles to their opinion, its what > makes this country (and a kick ass military) the strongest on Earth. > Personally I'm looking forward to meeting Borzou in Chicago, he seems > like an intelligent, honest guy who may have different political views > but that doesn't mean we can't be friends. > > Many on this list remember Greg LeRoy who is no longer subscribed (I > think) because he sold his printing business and moved on to other > ventures. Greg incited a lot of discontent on this list because of his > ultra liberal views. Many here did not like him, but I'm probably the > only one that has ever met him. I had him and his wife over to my > house last year when he was visiting San Diego and we had lunch in my > kitchen (along with my wife as well). He had on a tie die t-shirt, > waws wearing Birkenstocks and he was driving a rented Prius...totally > in character with what you would expect (actually made me laugh > because he was exactly as you would imagine.) But he was a very nice > guy, smart, intelligent, personable. I liked meeting him and having > him in my home. We are on polar opposite ends of the ideological > spectrum, but just because someone has different political views > doesn't mean he can't be your friend. > > So, we're all friends here, we all have points of view, we're all > driven to be successful, and we're all have more in common than not. > > Just remember that before you hit the send key. > > S. > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > How right you are Scott!!! I have very good friends who are at opposite ends of the political spectrum!....but like everything else there is a time and place -- David Charleson Commercial Press Inc. 216 Cowan Rd Canton NY 13617 P 315.386.3431 david@commercialpressink.com www.commercialpressink.com From tracy at commercialpressink.com Fri Sep 5 13:18:36 2008 From: tracy at commercialpressink.com (Tracy Charleson) Date: Fri Sep 5 13:18:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: SPAM-MED: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 37, Issue 25 In-Reply-To: <20080905145903.682F310685AD@rb.enter.net> References: <20080905145903.682F310685AD@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Tracy, Was mine the first political email? Funny its the one that elicited a response. Lets at least call a spade a spade. If it was the fact that it was a political post, your response would have come for one of the many other posts. I appreciate that you don't buy into my ideology, but don't pretend its the general "political" nature of it that you're taking issue with. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com You are right it was not just because it was a political post, it was because of the broad generalizations that you made. In particular (We're also reaching the end of worst president in modern history (probably ever), and nothing is scarier than more 4 more years of the same. Its literally impossible for Obama to do worse for this country than Bush) Also Thankfully I am busy enough not to be able to read every post. You just happened to fire me up with your remarks. (Seriously, you guys like Palin?) So far, from what I see - YES! Like I said that doesn't mean I don't value the other contributions you make to the list (actually you make many more contributions and many more responses to questions then I do, by the time I have something helpful to say someone else has already done so). Don't take it too personal, but you may not want to make such broad generalizations without a whole lot to back it up. I personally thank George Bush because as of yet we haven't had more attacks on American soil and we are all still here in our "Free America" and you are still allowed to say what you think and I as a women am not shut away in the kitchen having more babies. OK I have already spent too much valuable work time on this. Have a good weekend! Tracy "Did you know...;. When you shop locally-owned businesses, your money is re-circulated over and over and creates up to 75% more tax revenue to our community and state." Tracy Charleson Commercial Press, Inc. 216 Cowan Road Canton, New York 13617 Phone: (315) 386-3431 Fax: (315) 386-5259 email: info@commercialpressink.com http://www.commercialpressink.com From bob at rjmprinting.com Fri Sep 5 13:20:15 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Fri Sep 5 13:20:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] gettin' political... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I apologize to Borzou and the list. I obviously did not read his post as intended, for that I am sorry. Probably time for me to leave. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:53 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] [OFF] gettin' political... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** It doesn't matter where you born. You're ethnicity is either on the list or its not. Until a few months ago I was Caucasian. Now I'm not. I wish they had done this before I went to college. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Dan Huntingford > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:42:43 -0700 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] [OFF] gettin' political... > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Borzou Azabdaftari" > My name >> might be different but I was born in Alabama and every bit an American as >> some hump in Minnesota. > ================= > > Now I'm confused. If you were born in Alabama, how are you going to get 10 > billion dollars through Iranian minority status through an SBA 8(a) program, > by voting for McCain??? > > Our government must be even more screwed up than I thought. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Fri Sep 5 13:19:51 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Sep 5 13:22:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] gettin' political... References: Message-ID: > It doesn't matter where you born. You're ethnicity is either on the list > or > its not. Until a few months ago I was Caucasian. Now I'm not. I wish > they > had done this before I went to college. =================== Still confused. Are you American or Iranian? What does that have to do with going to college? If blacks are no longer eligible for preferred treatment under affirmative action, why would someone who's parents were Iranian be eligible? This is news to me. Any body remember John Kennedy saying, "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From slb at inkspot.net Fri Sep 5 13:22:55 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Sep 5 13:23:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] gettin' political... In-Reply-To: References: <00c701c90f6e$098db1b0$6900a8c0@DANIEL>, Message-ID: <48C132AF.21680.3970F418@slb.inkspot.net> Reminds me of a high school friend who went to Drexel. During the summer between hs and college, he saw black, probably "inner city," kids being bussed all over the place by the university on neat field trips. They called it "minority education." He, being Jewish, figured that would give him an entree to these field trips. Of course, the administrators told him he was not a minority. His response was, of course, "since when are Jews a majority?" He followed with the proposal that, if only blacks, rather than all minorities, were admitted to the program, they should be honest about it, and call it "black education," instead of "minority education." He got precisely nowhere, but he had some fun trying. YMMV, Steve > > It doesn't matter where you born. You're ethnicity is either on the list or > its not. Until a few months ago I was Caucasian. Now I'm not. I wish they > had done this before I went to college. > > > Borzou Azabdaftari > Falcon Print and Copy > 1921 Gallows Road > Suite 150 > Vienna, VA 22182 > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > > > From: Dan Huntingford > > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > > > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:42:43 -0700 > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] [OFF] gettin' political... > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Borzou Azabdaftari" > > My name > >> might be different but I was born in Alabama and every bit an American as > >> some hump in Minnesota. > > ================= > > > > Now I'm confused. If you were born in Alabama, how are you going to get 10 > > billion dollars through Iranian minority status through an SBA 8(a) program, > > by voting for McCain??? > > > > Our government must be even more screwed up than I thought. > > > > Dan Huntingford > > SOS Printing > > 2319 Washington Street > > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > > sos@olympus.net > > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3419 (20080905) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From slb at inkspot.net Fri Sep 5 13:38:24 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Sep 5 13:38:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: I guess I kind of started this.... In-Reply-To: <200809051605.m85G5rXD012931@i2bnetworks.com> References: , , <200809051605.m85G5rXD012931@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <48C13650.22574.397F220B@slb.inkspot.net> > The reality is that everyone is entitles to their opinion, its what > makes this country (and a kick ass military) the strongest on Earth. Thanks for the sanity check, Scott. My biggest beef with too much of what passes for "debate" on the left, is that, while each of us is entitled to our own opinion, we are NOT entitled to our own facts. Some relevant facts follow: It was Carter who made Iran the first modern Islamic state. Bush did NOT "lie us into a war." British Intelligence still stands by its contention that Saddam sought uranium in Niger, and practically every Democrat with a voice was saying that he was a danger to the world, right up until January 20, 2000. Except for the recent downturn (which is not, even now, a recession-- we're still experiencing growth, not contraction), the economic numbers during Bush's presidency are generally similar to, or better than, those during Clinton's. Yes, Bush is running bigger deficits, and we'll probably pay for that down the road. I could go on, but I'll refrain. I used to be a dedicated, academically elite, liberal. However, one of the side effects of an engineering education, at least in my case, is a tendency to look at the actual effects of policy decisions, rather than just their stated (and invariably good) intentions. IMO, leftist policy decisions do not withstand that scrutiny. YMMV, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From slb at inkspot.net Fri Sep 5 13:42:31 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Sep 5 13:46:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] gettin' political... In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <48C13747.673.3982E937@slb.inkspot.net> As usual when these things get out of hand, we have another member who contributes to the general level of printing and business knowledge, talking about leaving over a political disagreement. I'll speak the usual truth: don't leave the list over this kind of "stuff." When that happens, we all lose. YMMV, Steve > > I apologize to Borzou and the list. I obviously did not read his post as > intended, for that I am sorry. > > Probably time for me to leave. > > Bob Molacek > Sir Speedy Printing > 7793 Ranchers Road > Fridley, MN 55432 > 763-571-4608 > bob@rjmprinting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:53 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] [OFF] gettin' political... > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > It doesn't matter where you born. You're ethnicity is either on the list or > its not. Until a few months ago I was Caucasian. Now I'm not. I wish they > had done this before I went to college. > > > Borzou Azabdaftari > Falcon Print and Copy > 1921 Gallows Road > Suite 150 > Vienna, VA 22182 > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > > > From: Dan Huntingford > > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > > > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:42:43 -0700 > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] [OFF] gettin' political... > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Borzou Azabdaftari" > > My name > >> might be different but I was born in Alabama and every bit an American as > >> some hump in Minnesota. > > ================= > > > > Now I'm confused. If you were born in Alabama, how are you going to get > 10 > > billion dollars through Iranian minority status through an SBA 8(a) > program, > > by voting for McCain??? > > > > Our government must be even more screwed up than I thought. > > > > Dan Huntingford > > SOS Printing > > 2319 Washington Street > > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > > sos@olympus.net > > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3419 (20080905) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Fri Sep 5 13:53:27 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Fri Sep 5 13:53:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Robin's shrink wrap wires Message-ID: Sure, try M. Latter & Co. in LA. They sell industrial strength wrap equip and wires. We still use their tunnel wrap we purchased back in 1986. An American will actually answer the phone and help you out.!!!! (They have been trained by Gov. Palin.) Also, our X-rite tunnel shrink wrap unit has been giving us fits for most of 2008! The heat wires keep breaking. We have talked with technicians, suppliers and had a repair guy here -- tried different wires, I think we have tried everything, so now I'm asking other users if you might have any ideas? About 5 mins. ago, the wire was not even being "used" -- the arm was up and SNAP! wire broke. ?????? robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From falconprinting at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 13:55:59 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Fri Sep 5 13:56:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] gettin' political... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks to everyone to helped placate the situation. There's a drink it for each of you when we get to Chicago. Bob, I certainly don't want anyone to leave the list. And apologize as well if I overreacted. Tracy and I will agree to disagree, except that enough valuable time has been lost to this. Water under the bridge I say. Let's move on. I have questions I'm waiting to ask, so lets be done with it! Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Bob Molacek > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:20:15 -0500 > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] [OFF] gettin' political... > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I apologize to Borzou and the list. I obviously did not read his post as > intended, for that I am sorry. > > Probably time for me to leave. > > Bob Molacek > Sir Speedy Printing > 7793 Ranchers Road > Fridley, MN 55432 > 763-571-4608 > bob@rjmprinting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:53 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] [OFF] gettin' political... > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > It doesn't matter where you born. You're ethnicity is either on the list or > its not. Until a few months ago I was Caucasian. Now I'm not. I wish they > had done this before I went to college. > > > Borzou Azabdaftari > Falcon Print and Copy > 1921 Gallows Road > Suite 150 > Vienna, VA 22182 > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > >> From: Dan Huntingford >> Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:42:43 -0700 >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] [OFF] gettin' political... >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Borzou Azabdaftari" >> My name >>> might be different but I was born in Alabama and every bit an American as >>> some hump in Minnesota. >> ================= >> >> Now I'm confused. If you were born in Alabama, how are you going to get > 10 >> billion dollars through Iranian minority status through an SBA 8(a) > program, >> by voting for McCain??? >> >> Our government must be even more screwed up than I thought. >> >> Dan Huntingford >> SOS Printing >> 2319 Washington Street >> Port Townsend, WA 98368 >> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >> sos@olympus.net >> (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Fri Sep 5 14:01:34 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Fri Sep 5 14:01:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Equipment Questions Message-ID: <8AFED446-BF83-40CB-BA13-5C89B030CAF4@inkonpaper.biz> On Sep 5, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Robin Niewold wrote: > About 5 mins. ago, the wire was not even being "used" -- the arm > was up and SNAP! wire broke. The first thing I would do is call in Ghost hunter Second I would look at line voltage, wattage, amperage that sort of thing that might cause the heat wire to over heat and break Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." - Plato From falconprinting at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 14:03:04 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Fri Sep 5 14:03:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] gettin' political... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I believe the term is Iranian-American, but I'm a second generation immigrant. So my parents were born in Iran, and like many, fled after the Islamic Revolution in 1979. I was subsequently born in Alabama. So you can decide if I'm American or Iranian. Affirmative action aside, schools strive for diversity, it makes them look good (even though affirmative action was in effect when I did go to school). This is a different issue from the 8 (a) disadvantaged minority business. Its the same as any other minority (black, latino, etc.) who may have lived here for generations, but quality for that status. The government has to give something like 30% off all contracts to 8(a) businesses, and all other government contractors have to sub-contract out 35% off all the contracts they get to 8(a) businesses. Women owned business see similar benefits. These monies are set aside from these businesses. I don't think Kennedy would be upset with me getting some of that business, if I'm able to. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Dan Huntingford > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:19:51 -0700 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] [OFF] gettin' political... > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >> It doesn't matter where you born. You're ethnicity is either on the list >> or >> its not. Until a few months ago I was Caucasian. Now I'm not. I wish >> they >> had done this before I went to college. > =================== > > Still confused. Are you American or Iranian? What does that have to do > with going to college? > If blacks are no longer eligible for preferred treatment under affirmative > action, why would someone who's parents were Iranian be eligible? > This is news to me. > > Any body remember John Kennedy saying, "Ask not what your country can do for > you, ask what you can do for your country." > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mike at arborprinting.com Fri Sep 5 14:03:20 2008 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Fri Sep 5 14:03:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] gettin' political... References: Message-ID: <013b01c90f81$aea53430$6601a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Don't leave, everybody reacts/ overreacts or misinterprets things from time to time. That's what happens when politics, race or religion is discussed openly. Even with my closest friends we tend to stay away from these subjects, or at least shut it down before it gets out of hand. Everyon has an opinion, some very much stronger than others. Can you imagine these discussions if liquor was involved? Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. 5100 Academy Dr., Ste 100 Lisle, IL 60532 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Molacek" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:20 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] [OFF] gettin' political... > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I apologize to Borzou and the list. I obviously did not read his post as > intended, for that I am sorry. > > Probably time for me to leave. > > Bob Molacek > Sir Speedy Printing > 7793 Ranchers Road > Fridley, MN 55432 > 763-571-4608 > bob@rjmprinting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:53 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] [OFF] gettin' political... > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > It doesn't matter where you born. You're ethnicity is either on the list > or > its not. Until a few months ago I was Caucasian. Now I'm not. I wish > they > had done this before I went to college. > > > Borzou Azabdaftari > Falcon Print and Copy > 1921 Gallows Road > Suite 150 > Vienna, VA 22182 > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > >> From: Dan Huntingford >> Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:42:43 -0700 >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] [OFF] gettin' political... >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Borzou Azabdaftari" >> My name >>> might be different but I was born in Alabama and every bit an American >>> as >>> some hump in Minnesota. >> ================= >> >> Now I'm confused. If you were born in Alabama, how are you going to get > 10 >> billion dollars through Iranian minority status through an SBA 8(a) > program, >> by voting for McCain??? >> >> Our government must be even more screwed up than I thought. >> >> Dan Huntingford >> SOS Printing >> 2319 Washington Street >> Port Townsend, WA 98368 >> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >> sos@olympus.net >> (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From John at mpcny.com Fri Sep 5 14:20:59 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Fri Sep 5 14:21:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Friday Jace Update Message-ID: Just got off the phone, Jace is home and the whole family is safe. Almost every building in Houma has roof damage of some sort. No power and it will be awhile before he gets any (maybe weeks). Most trees in the area are down and everyone on his property. Phone and power lines also. They are even trying to restart a old power plant in Houma that will help move things along. Lots of rumors of help/no help, but hard to track the real facts. He is just getting along, went to hardware store by flash light and they even let him charge. He bought a natural gas home generator that will get his house about ?-3/4 powered. Has not been in the shop yet, but it is ok by reports he as got so far. Same with Dooley?s (his bar),, some minor damage but still intact. He has not work phone or email so he is not getting anything that way. Hopes to have internet next week via generator power. Said to say thanks for all the good wishes, but cannot take the time to call as he gets only blocks of reception and drops most calls. He said he is sorry to miss the political rants, as he usually will jumps in and gets his BP up. Wondering how insurance will pay for a month of losses, only good thing is all his customers are in the same boat. I wonder if this happened to nation wide or an internet printer how they would ever recover. If you?re local based it is hard, but your and your accounts are in the same issues. His servers are all backed up and he even took them with him, so he can work from home at some point. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Fri Sep 5 13:12:38 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Fri Sep 5 14:25:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok In-Reply-To: References: <8B5CDF9DC5554621B1BA991247583165@Leo4allPC><00d601c90d16$e4c4bcb0$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <009401c90f7a$d8c86bd0$6401a8c0@coranew> Wow, I was thinking you were still in Texas.....Glad you are OK!!!! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Carole M. Rike Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:32 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hey Cora - We are living on the North Shore, about 45 miles from New Orleans. This side of the lake was possibly hit worse than the South Shore. Huge number of people in the state without power - 1.3 million last I heard. Baton Rouge hit very hard. I'm not sure about damage in Mississippi. We have been without power since Monday, just got power back, so I'm somewhat behind on the news except the local radio bulletins on where to get gas or ice, etc. Carole M. Rike Word Catering, Ltd. PRINTING SOLUTIONS 48299 Stafford Road . Tickfaw, LA 70466 __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3419 (20080905) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3419 (20080905) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From dana at landmarkimpressions.com Fri Sep 5 14:33:14 2008 From: dana at landmarkimpressions.com (dana) Date: Fri Sep 5 14:32:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CODE 128 Barcode In-Reply-To: <48C14114.4020809@satx.rr.com> References: <48C14114.4020809@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <49A996482F2D4977B0602A276B8E23EA@LMI.lan> A customer is requiring on all pallets and individual boxes that are shipped to them have a scan able part number be on the box or pallet using CODE 128 for barcodes. I have looked into it and know: 1. You can get the software for $199.00 to produce this bar code. www.code128barcodes.com 2. The label can be created using this bar code in many applications. 3. I do realize that a bar code is just a font I am looking to hear form anybody who is using this bar code for labeling on the boxes to hear what to watch out for, any tricks that would be helpful, and any general knowledge that you could share. Thank you Dana Wilson LandMark Impressions 35 Industrial Parkway Woburn, MA 01801 www.landmarkimpressions.com Phone: 781-569-0297 Fax: 781-569-0419 Cell: 781-710-7609 From sos at olympus.net Fri Sep 5 14:39:00 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Sep 5 14:41:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] gettin' political... References: Message-ID: > Affirmative action aside, schools strive for diversity, it makes them look > good (even though affirmative action was in effect when I did go to > school). > This is a different issue from the 8 (a) disadvantaged minority business. > Its the same as any other minority (black, latino, etc.) who may have > lived > here for generations, but quality for that status. The government has to > give something like 30% off all contracts to 8(a) businesses, and all > other > government contractors have to sub-contract out 35% off all the contracts > they get to 8(a) businesses. Women owned business see similar benefits. > These monies are set aside from these businesses. I don't think Kennedy > would be upset with me getting some of that business, if I'm able to. ================== Thanks for the info. That's interesting. Being a very typical, or at least what used to be typical, we will apparently be a minority too in just a few years, White Anglo Saxon Protestant, I guess I've never paid any attention to that type of thing. This is labeled OFF. I believe all that special treatment is totally unnecessary and more likely to have a negative impact than a positive one. Women, for example now earn more than men, at least a recent survey showed that women of equal education and experience are actually earning 15% more than men. Colleges are getting worried, they almost all have more women students than men now. The percentages have completely turned around. Now they even say, girls are just as good at math as boys. What'll they discover next? Remember that experiment where they told all the blue eyed children they were smarter, and moved them up to the front of the class and gave them special treatment and indeed they all got much better grades. And then they said, oh, so sorry, we were wrong, it's brown eyed children that are smarter, and they moved them up to the front of the class and started giving them special treatment and before long the brown eyed children were all getting better grades. We are all special. Just give us all a level playing field. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Sep 5 14:45:56 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Sep 5 14:48:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Friday Jace Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200809051847.m85IlvaB054976@i2bnetworks.com> This is indeed good news. Thanks for the update john. S. At 11:20 AM 9/5/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Just got off the phone, Jace is home and the whole family is safe. Almost >every building in Houma has roof damage of some sort. No power and it will >be awhile before he gets any (maybe weeks). Most trees in the area are down >and everyone on his property. Phone and power lines also. They are even >trying to restart a old power plant in Houma that will help move things >along. > > > >Lots of rumors of help/no help, but hard to track the real facts. He is just >getting along, went to hardware store by flash light and they even let him >charge. > > > >He bought a natural gas home generator that will get his house about ?-3/4 >powered. > > > >Has not been in the shop yet, but it is ok by reports he as got so far. Same >with Dooley?s (his bar),, some minor damage but still intact. > > > >He has not work phone or email so he is not getting anything that way. Hopes >to have internet next week via generator power. > > > >Said to say thanks for all the good wishes, but cannot take the time to >call as he gets only blocks of reception and drops most calls. He said he is >sorry to miss the political rants, as he usually will jumps in and gets his >BP up. > > > >Wondering how insurance will pay for a month of losses, only good thing is >all his customers are in the same boat. I wonder if this happened to nation >wide or an internet printer how they would ever recover. If you?re local >based it is hard, but your and your accounts are in the same issues. > > > >His servers are all backed up and he even took them with him, so he can work >from home at some point. > > > > > >John M. Henry > >Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. > >PO Box 815 > >125-129 East First Street > >Oswego, NY 13126 > >(315) 343-3531 > >(315) 343-3577 fax > >(315) 532-0620 > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3419 (20080905) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From copythatnyc at aol.com Fri Sep 5 14:51:51 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Fri Sep 5 14:52:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] gettin' political... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CADD9F978BE95D-14CC-1E1@webmail-md16.sysops.aol.com> Dan Great Post! Love JFK Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Dan Huntingford To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] [OFF] gettin' political... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? > It doesn't matter where you born. You're ethnicity is either on the list > or? > its not. Until a few months ago I was Caucasian. Now I'm not. I wish > they? > had done this before I went to college.? ===================? ? Still confused. Are you American or Iranian? What does that have to do with going to college?? If blacks are no longer eligible for preferred treatment under affirmative action, why would someone who's parents were Iranian be eligible?? This is news to me.? ? Any body remember John Kennedy saying, "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."? ? Dan Huntingford? SOS Printing? 2319 Washington Street? Port Townsend, WA 98368? Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF? sos@olympus.net? (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion=2 0List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From russ at mobile-print.com Fri Sep 5 14:55:12 2008 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Fri Sep 5 14:56:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] gettin' political... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C18090.6000001@mobile-print.com> > > We are all special. > > Now that just can't be true. Everyone can't be special. It just doesn't make sense. Special means being different or above the masses or having unique qualities. You can't have special without the opposite (non-special?). It's this kind of stuff being taught in school that really burns me. Kids are being taught they they're 'special' when they're just the same as everyone else. It's a lie. Hey, self confidence is a good thing, but being lied to is a different matter all together. We are all in the same boat. -- Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! ++++++++ From mark at cordesprinting.com Fri Sep 5 15:01:15 2008 From: mark at cordesprinting.com (Mark Cordes) Date: Fri Sep 5 14:57:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CODE 128 Barcode In-Reply-To: <49A996482F2D4977B0602A276B8E23EA@LMI.lan> References: <48C14114.4020809@satx.rr.com> <49A996482F2D4977B0602A276B8E23EA@LMI.lan> Message-ID: <48C181FB.4000606@cordesprinting.com> Dana -- be careful with using a font for bar codes. At bare minimum you should submit a sample to your client to make sure it reads ok. I've seen a situation where it was assumed that the font bar code would be ok and it didn't work correctly. Fortunately this was caught prior to what could have been a real problem. I would suggest the same even if you go with the software. If possible have the company that sells the software supply you with a sample bar code before you purchase the program. Bar codes can be like PDF's -- they aren't always created the way we need them! Mark Mark Cordes Cordes Printing, Inc. 460 Braen Avenue Wyckoff, NJ 07481 201.652.7272 mark@cordesprinting.com www.cordesprinting.com dana wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > A customer is requiring on all pallets and individual boxes that are shipped > to them have a scan able part number be on the box or pallet using CODE 128 > for barcodes. > > I have looked into it and know: > 1. You can get the software for $199.00 to produce this bar code. > www.code128barcodes.com > > 2. The label can be created using this bar code in many applications. > > 3. I do realize that a bar code is just a font > > I am looking to hear form anybody who is using this bar code for labeling on > the boxes to hear what to watch out for, any tricks that would be helpful, > and any general knowledge that you could share. > > Thank you > > Dana Wilson > > LandMark Impressions > 35 Industrial Parkway > Woburn, MA 01801 > > www.landmarkimpressions.com > > Phone: 781-569-0297 > Fax: 781-569-0419 > Cell: 781-710-7609 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From kellycrom at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 14:57:39 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Fri Sep 5 14:57:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CODE 128 Barcode In-Reply-To: <49A996482F2D4977B0602A276B8E23EA@LMI.lan> References: <48C14114.4020809@satx.rr.com> <49A996482F2D4977B0602A276B8E23EA@LMI.lan> Message-ID: <003301c90f89$456b5cd0$d0421670$@com> We have a customer who requires something similar. What I did was went out and bought this inexpensive program called Label Factory Deluxe(nova development) at my local OfficeMax. I think I paid about $25-$30 for it. It will handle code 128, plus almost any other type of barcode you want to print. It also has templates for some of the more common Avery labels. You can check out the program here: www.novadevelopment.com/products/us/lds/default.aspx Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of dana > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:33 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] CODE 128 Barcode > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > A customer is requiring on all pallets and individual boxes that are > shipped > to them have a scan able part number be on the box or pallet using CODE > 128 > for barcodes. > > I have looked into it and know: > 1. You can get the software for $199.00 to produce this bar code. > www.code128barcodes.com > > 2. The label can be created using this bar code in many applications. > > 3. I do realize that a bar code is just a font > > I am looking to hear form anybody who is using this bar code for > labeling on > the boxes to hear what to watch out for, any tricks that would be > helpful, > and any general knowledge that you could share. > > Thank you > > Dana Wilson > > LandMark Impressions > 35 Industrial Parkway > Woburn, MA 01801 > > www.landmarkimpressions.com > > Phone: 781-569-0297 > Fax: 781-569-0419 > Cell: 781-710-7609 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jdaghir at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 14:58:32 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Fri Sep 5 14:58:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Seminar Ideas In-Reply-To: References: <98f5b19a0809040821h4ccc25f3lc7b5fbed737f379f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620809051158r522b3590t49b35ff24c9e0749@mail.gmail.com> Depends somewhat on who you typical customers are. For example the majority of my customers are manufacturers and small business and they would probably benefit from something like "Design for Dummies". Things like just because you have 100 different fonts installed doesn't mean you should use all of them on the same document, or swiping a thumbnail sized photo from a web site and enlarging it disproportionally by 400% is not a good idea, etc. The book "The Non-Designer's Design Book" by Robin Willams would be a good reference for stuff like that. On the other hand if you primarily sell to design professionals or ad agencies then maybe seminars on color management, proper use of transpariency or mailpeice design might be more pertinent. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Mark said: > We are planning a Grand Re-Opening to show off our newly remodeled building. > As part of that, we want to offer some seminars for our better customers and > would like some input on what others have done. We're considering seminars > on: preparing digital files, paper options, & getting the most for your > printing dollar. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks! From sgfinke at fuse.net Fri Sep 5 15:08:04 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Fri Sep 5 15:04:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Friday Jace Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7D8AA027-CB4E-4174-8C8C-09797B84C76C@fuse.net> Thanks for the update, John, and I'm so glad Jace & family are okay. Our paper had yet another story on New Orleans this morning (nothing else) but did have a little sidebar about the Red Cross receiving only $5 million in donations, though it expects to spend $70 million to shelter and aid people. It is borrowing the money. "...donations are trickling in slowly as the public seems to think there wasn't much damage, [Red Cross President] Becker said Thursday. He pleaded for donations, saying Gustav wasn't as big as it could have been but still inflicted major damage along the Gulf Coast." This post is the only thing I've heard about the damage, so if the rest of the country is like me, that's why no money is coming in. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Sep 5, 2008, at 2:20 PM, John M. Henry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Just got off the phone, Jace is home and the whole family is safe. > Almost > every building in Houma has roof damage of some sort. No power and > it will > be awhile before he gets any (maybe weeks). Most trees in the area > are down > and everyone on his property. Phone and power lines also. They are > even > trying to restart a old power plant in Houma that will help move > things > along. > > > > Lots of rumors of help/no help, but hard to track the real facts. > He is just > getting along, went to hardware store by flash light and they even > let him > charge. > > > > He bought a natural gas home generator that will get his house > about ?-3/4 > powered. > > > > Has not been in the shop yet, but it is ok by reports he as got so > far. Same > with Dooley?s (his bar),, some minor damage but still intact. > > > > He has not work phone or email so he is not getting anything that > way. Hopes > to have internet next week via generator power. > > > > Said to say thanks for all the good wishes, but cannot take the > time to > call as he gets only blocks of reception and drops most calls. He > said he is > sorry to miss the political rants, as he usually will jumps in and > gets his > BP up. > > > > Wondering how insurance will pay for a month of losses, only good > thing is > all his customers are in the same boat. I wonder if this happened > to nation > wide or an internet printer how they would ever recover. If you?re > local > based it is hard, but your and your accounts are in the same issues. > > > > His servers are all backed up and he even took them with him, so he > can work > from home at some point. > > > > > > John M. Henry > > Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. > > PO Box 815 > > 125-129 East First Street > > Oswego, NY 13126 > > (315) 343-3531 > > (315) 343-3577 fax > > (315) 532-0620 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From tufelkinder at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 15:05:31 2008 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Fri Sep 5 15:05:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] gettin' political... In-Reply-To: <48C18090.6000001@mobile-print.com> References: <48C18090.6000001@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0809051205x24da7291n58422eb302b8fedb@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Russ Peters wrote: >> >> We are all special. >> >> > Now that just can't be true. Everyone can't be special. It just doesn't make > sense. > Special means being different or above the masses or having unique > qualities. You can't have special without the opposite (non-special?). You are a unique and special snowflake... just like everybody else. http://www.despair.com/individuality.html Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ The best way out is always through. -- Robert Frost From lacey at pdqteam.com Fri Sep 5 15:14:13 2008 From: lacey at pdqteam.com (Lacey Deal) Date: Fri Sep 5 15:14:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Options needed on label for Chemical Drum In-Reply-To: <320EF653502E4DEAA767EBFBD708F11B@Nancy> Message-ID: <6ADC2266B88D4BA59873C91A58C2C21C@DESK1> For chemical barrels, we order weatherproof durable labels from Discount Labels and have never had a complaint. Lacey Deal PDQ Printing Martinez, CA -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 5:08 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Options needed on label for Chemical Drum ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hoping someone has some suggestions for options on a label request. I have a customer that is a Chemical Co. They have asked for a 11x17 Crack & Peel Label that is weather resistant for 90 days. They want 100 to make sure it works then possibly as many as 1000. I am thinking that there is possibly a better option. Maybe laminating or printed on vinyl with a double face tape? I don't know if they plan to use these on metal or plastic. Thanks Nancy Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1653 - Release Date: 9/5/2008 6:57 AM From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 5 15:17:40 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Fri Sep 5 15:17:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CODE 128 Barcode In-Reply-To: <49A996482F2D4977B0602A276B8E23EA@LMI.lan> References: <48C14114.4020809@satx.rr.com> <49A996482F2D4977B0602A276B8E23EA@LMI.lan> Message-ID: <48C185D4.1090203@satx.rr.com> I have a el cheapo program I bought back in the windows 3.1 days that will do 128 bar codes. I bought it because a major customer decided they had to have all their stuff labeled with 3 of nine bar codes. I think you can download a free program from Avery that will do it also. I impressed the company by being the first vendor to begin bar coding. In fact I sold labels to a larger company to put on a few orders until they got their massively expensive solution in. Why spend big bucks if the cheap stuff will do the job. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax dana wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > A customer is requiring on all pallets and individual boxes that are shipped > to them have a scan able part number be on the box or pallet using CODE 128 > for barcodes. > > I have looked into it and know: > 1. You can get the software for $199.00 to produce this bar code. > www.code128barcodes.com > > 2. The label can be created using this bar code in many applications. > > 3. I do realize that a bar code is just a font > > I am looking to hear form anybody who is using this bar code for labeling on > the boxes to hear what to watch out for, any tricks that would be helpful, > and any general knowledge that you could share. > > Thank you > > Dana Wilson > > LandMark Impressions > 35 Industrial Parkway > Woburn, MA 01801 > > www.landmarkimpressions.com > > Phone: 781-569-0297 > Fax: 781-569-0419 > Cell: 781-710-7609 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From dana at landmarkimpressions.com Fri Sep 5 15:36:32 2008 From: dana at landmarkimpressions.com (dana) Date: Fri Sep 5 15:36:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CODE 128 Barcode In-Reply-To: <003301c90f89$456b5cd0$d0421670$@com> References: <48C14114.4020809@satx.rr.com><49A996482F2D4977B0602A276B8E23EA@LMI.lan> <003301c90f89$456b5cd0$d0421670$@com> Message-ID: <004067729DCF43D9BEE7721E7DDBAF18@LMI.lan> Kelly, Mark and Dennis, Thank you for your quick responses to the 128 bar code questions. If anybody else has further info feel free to pass on. Dana Wilson LandMark Impressions 35 Industrial Parkway Woburn, MA 01801 www.landmarkimpressions.com Phone: 781-569-0297 Fax: 781-569-0419 Cell: 781-710-7609 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 2:58 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] CODE 128 Barcode ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have a customer who requires something similar. What I did was went out and bought this inexpensive program called Label Factory Deluxe(nova development) at my local OfficeMax. I think I paid about $25-$30 for it. It will handle code 128, plus almost any other type of barcode you want to print. It also has templates for some of the more common Avery labels. You can check out the program here: www.novadevelopment.com/products/us/lds/default.aspx Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of dana > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:33 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] CODE 128 Barcode > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > A customer is requiring on all pallets and individual boxes that are > shipped > to them have a scan able part number be on the box or pallet using CODE > 128 > for barcodes. > > I have looked into it and know: > 1. You can get the software for $199.00 to produce this bar code. > www.code128barcodes.com > > 2. The label can be created using this bar code in many applications. > > 3. I do realize that a bar code is just a font > > I am looking to hear form anybody who is using this bar code for > labeling on > the boxes to hear what to watch out for, any tricks that would be > helpful, > and any general knowledge that you could share. > > Thank you > > Dana Wilson > > LandMark Impressions > 35 Industrial Parkway > Woburn, MA 01801 > > www.landmarkimpressions.com > > Phone: 781-569-0297 > Fax: 781-569-0419 > Cell: 781-710-7609 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sundance_print at yahoo.com Fri Sep 5 15:50:33 2008 From: sundance_print at yahoo.com (Wes Cornwell) Date: Fri Sep 5 15:50:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... Message-ID: <55299.36954.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think it is interesting that people who say Obama is too inexperienced want to put Sarah Palin one (very old) heartbeat away from the presidency. Just two years ago she was the mayor of a town with 9000 people. Not the person I'd like to have across the table from Valdimir Putin. But then we've had "W" for eight years and he's no prize either. I also don't think that the Federal government has had that much affect on my business. I am much more affected by the state and local taxing agencies than by the IRS. Wes Cornwell Sundance Printing 10240 Progress Lane Parker, CO 80134 303-841-3094 ----- Original Message ---- From: Scott Cappel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 1:36:50 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In every sense of the word, a clueless, sad, joke. Written by people who have no clue what makes this country go. In celebration of Sarah's kick ass speech last night, today I'm putting on a Mcain/Palin bumper sticker on my V8 Gas guzzling white convertible Mustang to celebrate. They never saw her coming, and I can't wait to watch her to turn Biden into Moosebait. S. At 11:28 AM 9/4/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >Scott: > >Here is your answer. > >http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/ > > > >Gail Finke >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >8630 Winton Road >Cincinnati, OH 45231 >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >(513) 522-2679 >Fax 522-2692 >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >info@brentwood-printing.com >www.brentwood-printing.com > > > > >On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Scott Finke wrote: > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>OK, focusing on printing: >> >>Without starting a political hoopla-thread (although we could under >>an OFF title ) has anyone heard much about either Presidential >>candidate concerning their platforms on small business? >> >>JMc. has a section about it on his website that shows the 4-5 >>things he would do to help small businesses (they talk about >>healthcare costs, corp. tax rate and a first year deduction expense >>on equipment investments. Also inheritance tax, which could effect >>a business changeover. >> >>I am not going to quote it all, here's a link >> >>http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/smallbusiness.htm >> >> >>I bumped into this Friday afternoon looking for the scoop on Palin. >> >>Anyone know what BHO has to say on such pertinent topics? >> >> >> >> >>Scott Finke >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >>8630 Winton Road >>Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>Phone: (513) 522.2679 >>Fax (513) 522.2692 >>Email: info@brentwood-printing.com >>www.Brentwood-Printing.com >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>Send us your file at: >>http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> >> >> >> >>On Sep 2, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: >> >>>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>>The primary reason a large number of folks >>>>use the emergency room is they know it is or will be free and >>>>they don't >>>>have to pay a cent. They don't have to have insurance. >>>========================= >>> >>>Right. Their insurance is all the rest of us paying twice as much >>>as any service would normally cost, OK maybe half again as much, >>>so that hospitals don't go bankrupt over all the no pay emergency >>>customers. >>>We are clearly paying for everyone's medical care already. Why >>>not just make it official. >>> >>>I voted for Mit Romney as the only GOP candidate who had real >>>experience in implementing universal health care. I was ready to >>>support Hillary. I'll be curious to see what Barak and John have >>>to say about it. >>> >>>Of course that's just one issue, but as a business owner who buys >>>$30,000 worth of health insurance every year, competing with other >>>businesses who don't offer it at all, it's an issue I'm interested >>>in. >>> >>>Dan Huntingford >>>SOS Printing >>>2319 Washington Street >>>Port Townsend, WA 98368 >>>Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >>>sos@olympus.net >>>(360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >>>_______________________________________________ >>>PrintOwners Discussion List >>>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3415 (20080904) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sundance_print at yahoo.com Fri Sep 5 16:03:22 2008 From: sundance_print at yahoo.com (Wes Cornwell) Date: Fri Sep 5 16:03:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... Message-ID: <675676.60566.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> When did conservatives decide that it isn't OK for people to criticize the government. Or is Rush Limbaugh allowed to criticize the liberals. The rest of us should keep our mouths shut. Wes Cornwell Sundance Printing 10240 Progress Lane Parker, CO 80134 303-841-3094 ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob Molacek To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 8:49:11 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Borzou, >From your comments it seems you are living in the wrong country. Please feel free to leave anytime... "We are all Americans"-John McCain Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 8:25 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** There's an old Churchill quote that goes something to the effect of "Any man how is under 30 and is not a liberal has not a heart. Any man who is over 40 and is not a conservative has not a brain" Now maybe I'm right on the cusp. I hate the idea of paying more taxes. Especially estate tax, which looks to be 4 times higher under Obama's plan. We're also reaching the end of worst president in modern history (probably ever), and nothing is scarier than more 4 more years of the same. Its literally impossible for Obama to do worse for this country than Bush. I know no one likes getting taxed excessively, but we still have our congressmen to protect us. Were your pockets getting fatter under the balanced budget, liberal days of Clinton, or since we started sinking even farther into debt for this completely unnecessary war? Now I understand the economy is cyclical, but its a hard to argue with results. Now as an Iranian-American I should even more strongly support McCain. I have a friend very high up in the GOP that has gotten Iranian-American's minority status (we weren't minorities 3 months ago). Which makes me eligible for 8(a) certification and is projected to funnel $10 billion into the Iranian-American economy over the next 10 years. Obama is almost certain to reverse this as that money comes directly out of the pockets of African Americans. Also the war has made Iran a major power in the middle east, so technically I shouldn't even upset about that. But I can't get over how the Republican's buy the rich, and bowl over the poor (who really should be voting liberal) with talk of abortion and guns. I mean, this is still America, you'll always have both. I can't get over how Bush blatantly fleeced everyone with false reasons for a war, and we didn't even get cheap gas (which yes, would have made it ok with me). I find it infuriating. And McCain, who I loved in 2000, has clearly rolled over. The straight talk express has pulled into the station, and he's riding the Bush/Republican/Special Interests hegemony's train. Obama's lack of experience is the most attractive thing about him. If you don't believe him, that's one thing. But if you think he's really going to try and do good, its a welcome change that I think everyone should get on board for. I have way more faith, in every arena, in Obama/Biden than I do in McCain/Palin. (Seriously, you guys like Palin?) So, who am I voting for? I don't know. I'm surprised too. But I really feel like I'm choosing between what's better for the world, and what's better for me. And I think that's really sad. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Linda Baribeau > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:02:33 -0500 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Bird" > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:47 PM > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Woo Hoo, >> >> I'll put one on my Gas eating Mustang GT also as I drive with the >> top down enjoying the last few days of summer in Upstate NY. I hope she > can >> do for this country what she has done for the state of Alaska. >> >> Rick Bird >> Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. >> 3649 California Road >> Orchard Park, NY 14127 >> (716) 662-1515 >> (716) 662-5917 - Fax >> gamble@choiceonemail.com - email >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel >> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 3:37 PM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> In every sense of the word, a clueless, sad, joke. >> >> Written by people who have no clue what makes this country go. >> >> In celebration of Sarah's kick ass speech last night, today I'm >> putting on a Mcain/Palin bumper sticker on my V8 Gas guzzling white >> convertible Mustang to celebrate. >> >> They never saw her coming, and I can't wait to watch her to turn >> Biden into Moosebait. >> >> S. >> >> >> >> >> At 11:28 AM 9/4/2008, you wrote: >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> >>> Scott: >>> >>> Here is your answer. >>> >>> http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/ >>> >>> >>> >>> Gail Finke >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>> Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >>> 8630 Winton Road >>> Cincinnati, OH 45231 >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>> (513) 522-2679 >>> Fax 522-2692 >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>> info@brentwood-printing.com >>> www.brentwood-printing.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Scott Finke wrote: >>> >>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>> >>>> OK, focusing on printing: >>>> >>>> Without starting a political hoopla-thread (although we could under >>>> an OFF title ) has anyone heard much about either Presidential >>>> candidate concerning their platforms on small business? >>>> >>>> JMc. has a section about it on his website that shows the 4-5 >>>> things he would do to help small businesses (they talk about >>>> healthcare costs, corp. tax rate and a first year deduction expense >>>> on equipment investments. Also inheritance tax, which could effect >>>> a business changeover. >>>> >>>> I am not going to quote it all, here's a link >>>> >>>> http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/smallbusiness.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> I bumped into this Friday afternoon looking for the scoop on Palin. >>>> >>>> Anyone know what BHO has to say on such pertinent topics? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Scott Finke >>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>> Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >>>> 8630 Winton Road >>>> Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 >>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>> Phone: (513) 522.2679 >>>> Fax (513) 522.2692 >>>> Email: info@brentwood-printing.com >>>> www.Brentwood-Printing.com >>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>> Send us your file at: >>>> http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html >>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 2, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: >>>> >>>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>>> >>>>> The primary reason a large number of folks >>>>>> use the emergency room is they know it is or will be free and >>>>>> they don't >>>>>> have to pay a cent. They don't have to have insurance. >>>>> ========================= >>>>> >>>>> Right. Their insurance is all the rest of us paying twice as much >>>>> as any service would normally cost, OK maybe half again as much, >>>>> so that hospitals don't go bankrupt over all the no pay emergency >>>>> customers. >>>>> We are clearly paying for everyone's medical care already. Why >>>>> not just make it official. >>>>> >>>>> I voted for Mit Romney as the only GOP candidate who had real >>>>> experience in implementing universal health care. I was ready to >>>>> support Hillary. I'll be curious to see what Barak and John have >>>>> to say about it. >>>>> >>>>> Of course that's just one issue, but as a business owner who buys >>>>> $30,000 worth of health insurance every year, competing with other >>>>> businesses who don't offer it at all, it's an issue I'm interested >>>>> in. >>>>> >>>>> Dan Huntingford >>>>> SOS Printing >>>>> 2319 Washington Street >>>>> Port Townsend, WA 98368 >>>>> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >>>>> sos@olympus.net >>>>> (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> __________ NOD32 3415 (20080904) Information __________ >>> >>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Scott Cappel >> >> Sorrento Mesa Printing >> 7398 Trade Street >> San Diego, CA 92121-2422 >> 858-527-0800 >> 858-527-1740 FAX >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com >> >> LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa >> >> Direct Links for Learning: >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html >> >> Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider >> Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider >> Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level >> Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider >> >> Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From printer at ptialaska.net Fri Sep 5 16:46:58 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Fri Sep 5 16:47:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] {OFF} political... In-Reply-To: <55299.36954.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <55299.36954.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sep 5, 2008, at 11:50 AM, Wes Cornwell wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > I think it is interesting that people who say Obama is too > inexperienced want to put Sarah Palin one (very old) heartbeat away > from the presidency. Just two years ago she was the mayor of a town > with 9000 people. Not the person I'd like to have across the table > from Valdimir Putin. But then we've had "W" for eight years and > he's no prize either. REPLY: I think it is interesting that you have to compare your presidential candidate to our vp candidate, that says a lot in itself. The sad thing is that Sarahs being the mayor trumps obamas executive experience all by itself. She stood up to very powerful people and won (our former Governor and Senator Frank Murkowski for one - he was one tough SOB for sure). Get informed and dont be afraid to think for yourself. The problem is that we sometimes form our opinions based strictly on what we hear through the media. There is a reason Sarah has over 80% approval (and it would be much higher if not for our liberal University system which will find fault with anyone not left of liberal). I think you can be confident that she will make a great vp AND a great president if called upon. She is like Reagan in that she has strong convictions and is not swayed by polls and whichever way the wind blows. Like it or not, at least you know where she stands, despite the way the media is trying to paint her... Greetings from ALASKA, _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From tufelkinder at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 16:51:57 2008 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Fri Sep 5 16:52:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jace is ok, gettin' political... In-Reply-To: <55299.36954.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <55299.36954.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0809051351s32e65981t15d5b00f01818ffb@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Wes Cornwell wrote: > > I think it is interesting that people who say Obama is too inexperienced want to put Sarah Palin one > (very old) heartbeat away from the presidency. Just two years ago she was the mayor of a town with > 9000 people. Not the person I'd like to have across the table from Valdimir Putin. And yet you want someone _less_ experienced than her for _president_? :-) http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2008/09/02/2008153891.jpg http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gm080505.jpg http://tinyurl.com/67l4yn Ironically, the media/dems are mostly ignoring her role as governor and limiting their condemnation to her time as mayor. As gov, she ran a state with ten times the people and budget of Obama's campaign. I mean, after all, to compare he has years of experience as a community organizer. What does that prepare him for? The presidency...? If I were an Obamanite, I'd drop that issue faster than a hot potato before it burnt me! Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ The best way out is always through. -- Robert Frost From sundance_print at yahoo.com Fri Sep 5 17:06:59 2008 From: sundance_print at yahoo.com (Wes Cornwell) Date: Fri Sep 5 17:07:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] {OFF} political... Message-ID: <227948.33138.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <> I didn't compare them. I was contrasting your criticism of him with the lack of criticism for her. <> That is just an opinion which I do not share. <> I do think for myself. Where would I get opinions or information if not through the media. Where do you get your information. Does it come through the ether. The Delphic oracle? <> I know where she stands too. She is proud of her choice to keep her baby and her daughter's choice to keep hers (and that is great. I have no problems with that.) But she wants to take away my daughters choice if she were to become pregnant. Wes Cornwell Sundance Printing 10240 Progress Lane Parker, CO 80134 303-841-3094 ----- Original Message ---- From: Charles A. Lincoln To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 2:46:58 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] {OFF} political... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Sep 5, 2008, at 11:50 AM, Wes Cornwell wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > I think it is interesting that people who say Obama is too > inexperienced want to put Sarah Palin one (very old) heartbeat away > from the presidency. Just two years ago she was the mayor of a town > with 9000 people. Not the person I'd like to have across the table > from Valdimir Putin. But then we've had "W" for eight years and > he's no prize either. REPLY: I think it is interesting that you have to compare your presidential candidate to our vp candidate, that says a lot in itself. The sad thing is that Sarahs being the mayor trumps obamas executive experience all by itself. She stood up to very powerful people and won (our former Governor and Senator Frank Murkowski for one - he was one tough SOB for sure). Get informed and dont be afraid to think for yourself. The problem is that we sometimes form our opinions based strictly on what we hear through the media. There is a reason Sarah has over 80% approval (and it would be much higher if not for our liberal University system which will find fault with anyone not left of liberal). I think you can be confident that she will make a great vp AND a great president if called upon. She is like Reagan in that she has strong convictions and is not swayed by polls and whichever way the wind blows. Like it or not, at least you know where she stands, despite the way the media is trying to paint her... Greetings from ALASKA, _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From joe at calagaz.com Fri Sep 5 17:49:04 2008 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Fri Sep 5 17:49:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] {OFF} political... Message-ID: <> But what about the choice of the unborn child? (or in some cases the born child?) (and I have 3 daughters) Just my 2 cents.....and now I am off to serve my country in the Army reserves.....have a great weekend..... Joe Calagaz Calagaz Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Wes Cornwell Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 4:07 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] {OFF} political... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** <> I didn't compare them. I was contrasting your criticism of him with the lack of criticism for her. <> That is just an opinion which I do not share. <> I do think for myself. Where would I get opinions or information if not through the media. Where do you get your information. Does it come through the ether. The Delphic oracle? Wes Cornwell Sundance Printing 10240 Progress Lane Parker, CO 80134 303-841-3094 ----- Original Message ---- From: Charles A. Lincoln To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 2:46:58 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] {OFF} political... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Sep 5, 2008, at 11:50 AM, Wes Cornwell wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > I think it is interesting that people who say Obama is too > inexperienced want to put Sarah Palin one (very old) heartbeat away > from the presidency. Just two years ago she was the mayor of a town > with 9000 people. Not the person I'd like to have across the table > from Valdimir Putin. But then we've had "W" for eight years and > he's no prize either. REPLY: I think it is interesting that you have to compare your presidential candidate to our vp candidate, that says a lot in itself. The sad thing is that Sarahs being the mayor trumps obamas executive experience all by itself. She stood up to very powerful people and won (our former Governor and Senator Frank Murkowski for one - he was one tough SOB for sure). Get informed and dont be afraid to think for yourself. The problem is that we sometimes form our opinions based strictly on what we hear through the media. There is a reason Sarah has over 80% approval (and it would be much higher if not for our liberal University system which will find fault with anyone not left of liberal). I think you can be confident that she will make a great vp AND a great president if called upon. She is like Reagan in that she has strong convictions and is not swayed by polls and whichever way the wind blows. Like it or not, at least you know where she stands, despite the way the media is trying to paint her... Greetings from ALASKA, _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From gamble at choiceonemail.com Fri Sep 5 17:57:37 2008 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Fri Sep 5 17:58:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Robin's shrink wrap wires In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0eb401c90fa2$6a97ed70$0201a8c0@RICK> Robin, One thing I noticed with the X-Rite systems is that where the wires meet on the l seal bar there is a nylon busing between the 2 of no bushing they will snap/arc each other even as they are off.. it acts as an insulator so that the positive and negative are separated. Mine was just as bad till I learned what was missing. My Bessler system has been flawless works like a champ. Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of larry Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:53 PM To: Printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Robin's shrink wrap wires ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Sure, try M. Latter & Co. in LA. They sell industrial strength wrap equip and wires. We still use their tunnel wrap we purchased back in 1986. An American will actually answer the phone and help you out.!!!! (They have been trained by Gov. Palin.) Also, our X-rite tunnel shrink wrap unit has been giving us fits for most of 2008! The heat wires keep breaking. We have talked with technicians, suppliers and had a repair guy here -- tried different wires, I think we have tried everything, so now I'm asking other users if you might have any ideas? About 5 mins. ago, the wire was not even being "used" -- the arm was up and SNAP! wire broke. ?????? robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Sep 5 18:08:50 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Sep 5 18:10:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] The biggest loser In-Reply-To: <675676.60566.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <675676.60566.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200809052210.m85MApw7003097@i2bnetworks.com> It is my opinion that when this election cycle runs its course and we elect a new administration, the biggest loser in this whole episode will be the mainstream media. The biases have been far beyond anything ever seen. Hilary was a victim of it, so is Sarah Palin. They (mainstream media) will no longer be looked upon as credible, or a reliable source for doing what they're supposed to do, and that is to provide the populace with an unbiased objective source of information so that the populace can decide for itself, and not be swayed one way or the other. The Internet has changed everything. ABC CBS NBC New York Times/Boston Globe LA Times SF Chronicle Atlanta Journal and Constitution the list goes on and on, revenues down, staff layoffs, plant closings, M/As There is a reason for all of this. Journalisim as an objective discipline is dead (it maybe never was that objective until the we had the Internet as a contrast to show its bias) Have you watched the evening news lately? Noticed the commercials? My wife and I refer to the evening news as "The Medicine Show" because that's all you see, commercials pitched at people in the twilight of their years. We get information at lightening speeds from a 24/7 newscycle. The Drudge Report, no matter what its enemies say (mostly mainstream media types) is eating mainstream media's lunch. And has been for years now. Over 5 billion hits in the last year. Its on screens in every news room across the world. There is a reason. So, the biggest loser...the mainstream media. And frankly speaking, they earned it. S. _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Fri Sep 5 18:19:24 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Fri Sep 5 18:17:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Sarah the Alaska wolverine Message-ID: CC'd to me in error, but an interesting comment:::::::::::::::from an Alaska man who is a very serious cynic about all things political here is his take on Sarah. I met and spoke with Sarah Palin about two years ago at our downtown Park Strip. It is a place for walking, carnivals, political outdoor things and such. She was cooking hotdogs at a fund raiser and introducing herself to the public as a Governor hopeful. She came by and said the usual 'Hi, I'm Sarah Palin and I am running for Governor'...and I expected her to keep on to the next person but she asked me who I was and what I did in Alaska and we ended up talking for 15 minutes about me, Air America (she was all agog!) and my career in the Army and AAM. She is a pilot (Super Cub) I'm told although all she told me about that was that she loved flying. As I watched her over the next six months as she successfully ran for Governor I was really impressed. I was impressed greatly even before that after she resigned a good position (Alaska Gas and Oil Regulatory Commission) because a fellow Commission member (Chair of the Alaska Republican Party) misused their office and position. He was using the FAX, computers, printing room and all to promote the Republican endeavors while in a State job. That is a huge no-no in any government employment position. She resigned and made her point and within weeks Randy Ruderich (the above bad guy) found his ass out on the street and a subsequent investigation found him guilty and he was fined $12,000. Small change actually but a giant point was made. Next she went after our most horrible Governor ever, Governor Murkowski, and damned if she didn't beat him! All of us here in Alaska, except the Democrats, are sick of our State's corruption. That fact was shouted to the heavens after she was elected with an overwhelming point spread. After she got into office she started after corrupt legislators and with the FBI's help we've put four of them in prison, indicted six more and the 'Corrupt Bastard's Club' as they arrogantly called themselves (even had hats made with CBC on the front!) suddenly found it no fun anymore. Club membership is now in the toilet!! The current flap which has cost her a ten point loss of popularity (she's still 82 %!) was over firing a popular Commissioner of Public Safety who is responsible for our Alaska State Troopers. She fired him for no STATED reason which was her prerogative as the Gov. He served entirely at her option. She and her whole family had a bad, bad experience with a rogue Trooper who was married to Sarah's sister. His name is Trooper Wooten. This dimwit Trooper had threatened Sarah's father (death threat!), threatened Sarah ('I'll get you too'), tasered his 12 year old stepson, drove drunk in his AST cruiser, got a pass by a fellow Trooper who stopped him for erratic driving a second time while in civvies and just a host of other things not yet released to the public. He got away with it and got another pass by the Commissioner's appointed AST Trooper Internal Affairs investigator with a tiny slap on the wrist. Five days off without pay to be exact!! This maverick Trooper is still on the payroll but only just. The Union intervening saved his malcontent ass. He'll yet get his I'm sure. Incredible heat is being heaped on the Troopers. Public heat, not the Governors office. The Democrats had the audacity to appoint an obviously biased investigator, Rep. 'Gunny' French (so called because he lied about being in the USMC while running for the Legislature) is a staunch liberal and under the orders of Senate President Lyda Green who hates Sara. She hates Sarah because after being elected Governor Sarah told the whole Legislature in one of her first meetings with them that, quote; 'All of you here need some Adult Supervision!!!" Sarah was seriously pissed and not afraid of anyone there. That played wonderfully well with Alaskan's after all of our corruption and after all of her successful battles against a seriously entrenched corrupt government here in Alaska. It pissed off the whole Legislature though! They have stayed pissed but also afraid of her because of her popularity. She reminds me personally of our Alaska wolverine which will fight anything in its path if it sees's fit to do so. No respect at all for size or position. Wife Cindy is in this category too. Unfortunately. In closing I must tell you that she is the best, most moral and most focused leader I've seen since President Reagan. I feel, really strongly, that like Alaska the rest of our country will love her within a few weeks. Put simply, she represents middle America like NO leader we've ever had. I think McCain made a totally brilliant move in choosing her. She's a maverick who is probably tougher and more focused than McCain himself....and she won't be a total 'Yes Man' or more appropriately, woman. McCain will love her. In 2012 she will be President. My best to all of you in the hurricane belt. I hope you are all OK. We just had another mini Air America reunion here in beautiful Soldotna, Alaska along the Kenai river. We'll be doing this every year now I guess. Like our Flying Tiger pal's before us there are not that many Air America guys left. I'm 71 myself this September 16. Where the hell did the years go so fast? My best to you old buddy Semper Fi, Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Fri Sep 5 18:20:02 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Fri Sep 5 18:20:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] The biggest loser In-Reply-To: <200809052210.m85MApw7003097@i2bnetworks.com> References: <675676.60566.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200809052210.m85MApw7003097@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <013801c90fa5$8afb1120$6401a8c0@coranew> Scott you are right. I tried to watch Channel 24 last night, but they turned my stomach so I went over to Channel 25 and they were just as bad so I finally sent to Channel 8, our Public Service Channel. At least they were just reporting and not trying to sway me one way or the other. I hope who ever gets elected can do something about the way the media reports things....sad!!!! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 5:09 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] The biggest loser ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** It is my opinion that when this election cycle runs its course and we elect a new administration, the biggest loser in this whole episode will be the mainstream media. The biases have been far beyond anything ever seen. Hilary was a victim of it, so is Sarah Palin. They (mainstream media) will no longer be looked upon as credible, or a reliable source for doing what they're supposed to do, and that is to provide the populace with an unbiased objective source of information so that the populace can decide for itself, and not be swayed one way or the other. The Internet has changed everything. ABC CBS NBC New York Times/Boston Globe LA Times SF Chronicle Atlanta Journal and Constitution the list goes on and on, revenues down, staff layoffs, plant closings, M/As There is a reason for all of this. Journalisim as an objective discipline is dead (it maybe never was that objective until the we had the Internet as a contrast to show its bias) Have you watched the evening news lately? Noticed the commercials? My wife and I refer to the evening news as "The Medicine Show" because that's all you see, commercials pitched at people in the twilight of their years. We get information at lightening speeds from a 24/7 newscycle. The Drudge Report, no matter what its enemies say (mostly mainstream media types) is eating mainstream media's lunch. And has been for years now. Over 5 billion hits in the last year. Its on screens in every news room across the world. There is a reason. So, the biggest loser...the mainstream media. And frankly speaking, they earned it. S. _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3420 (20080905) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 18:45:46 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri Sep 5 18:45:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] The biggest loser [OFF] Message-ID: <98f5b19a0809051545r1d074926n781c81a0a0632d4f@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > > Journalisim as an objective discipline is dead (it maybe never was that objective until the we had the Internet as a contrast to show its bias) The internet has certainly made it easy to read both (all) sides of an issue, and with critical reading, to expose the biases on both sides. I'm not sure that journalism was ever any more universally objective, though, than it is today. Total objectivity in political news, in particular, is pretty hard to come by. But I also don't think that all of the negative press I've read about Palin is the result of bias. The stories about her accomplishments have most certainly suffered from pro-Palin bias. Delving a little more deeply sheds some gray shadows on her bright lights. The most disturbing news I have read about her revolves around her request for the banning of certain books in a local library. That would have been intolerable enough; but the reports are that she got, or tried to have, the librarian who refused the request, fired. To mind mind, that's a scary, defining incident. I have no doubt the governor is a capable pit-bull. Even while enjoying the anti-Obama rhetoric comparing her experience to his, I'm shocked at which traits of hers people I know to be intelligent are finding meaningful. My concern is that her purpose on the ticket was to unnecessarily kow-tow to the fundamental-religionist right wing of the party who had no other place to turn anyway. While never a fan of McCain's, what appeal he might have had before his selection of Palin, was, to me, the degree to which he was a moderate and an independent thinker. So much for those defining characterisitcs. I am now officially a member of what I suspect is the nation's centrist majority (occupying the area between the left two-thirds of the red team, and the right third of the blue) without a candidate who represents my sensibilities. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Sep 5 19:32:35 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Sep 5 19:34:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] The biggest loser [OFF] In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0809051545r1d074926n781c81a0a0632d4f@mail.gmail.co m> References: <98f5b19a0809051545r1d074926n781c81a0a0632d4f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809052334.m85NYbdk019780@i2bnetworks.com> Well, I just found this: http://tinyurl.com/58mfue I guess the thought that comes to mind is...QED. S. At 03:45 PM 9/5/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > > > > Journalisim as an objective discipline is dead (it maybe never > was that objective until the we had the Internet as a contrast to > show its bias) > >The internet has certainly made it easy to read both (all) sides of an >issue, and with critical reading, to expose the biases on both sides. >I'm not sure that journalism was ever any more universally objective, >though, than it is today. Total objectivity in political news, in >particular, is pretty hard to come by. > >But I also don't think that all of the negative press I've read about >Palin is the result of bias. The stories about her accomplishments >have most certainly suffered from pro-Palin bias. Delving a little >more deeply sheds some gray shadows on her bright lights. The most >disturbing news I have read about her revolves around her request for >the banning of certain books in a local library. That would have been >intolerable enough; but the reports are that she got, or tried to >have, the librarian who refused the request, fired. To mind mind, >that's a scary, defining incident. > >I have no doubt the governor is a capable pit-bull. Even while >enjoying the anti-Obama rhetoric comparing her experience to his, I'm >shocked at which traits of hers people I know to be intelligent are >finding meaningful. My concern is that her purpose on the ticket was >to unnecessarily kow-tow to the fundamental-religionist right wing of >the party who had no other place to turn anyway. While never a fan of >McCain's, what appeal he might have had before his selection of Palin, >was, to me, the degree to which he was a moderate and an independent >thinker. So much for those defining characterisitcs. I am now >officially a member of what I suspect is the nation's centrist >majority (occupying the area between the left two-thirds of the red >team, and the right third of the blue) without a candidate who >represents my sensibilities. > > >-- >Michael Vogel >Sir Speedy Printing >9 Research Drive >Milford, CT 06460 >tel 203-877-1231 >fax 203-878-2679 >mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com >www.eSirSpeedy.com > >==================================== >Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to >criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. >~Sir Francis Bacon >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3420 (20080905) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From printer at ptialaska.net Fri Sep 5 20:06:06 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Fri Sep 5 20:06:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] {OFF} political... In-Reply-To: <227948.33138.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <227948.33138.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sep 5, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Wes Cornwell wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > But she wants to take away my daughters choice if she were to become > pregnant. REPLY: That would be your grandchild and unlike Barak, Sarah does not consider a child to be a punishment... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From slb at inkspot.net Fri Sep 5 20:44:22 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Sep 5 20:44:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] {OFF} political... In-Reply-To: <227948.33138.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <227948.33138.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48C19A26.16251.3B051E91@slb.inkspot.net> > But she > wants to take away my daughters choice if she were to become pregnant. > Are you aware of what would happen, should Roe be overturned by the Supreme Court? The matter of abortion regulation, or lack thereof, would be returned to the 50 state legislatures, where it belongs. Abortion would NOT be outlawed. It would merely be de-Federalized. Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From sgfinke at fuse.net Fri Sep 5 21:14:39 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Fri Sep 5 21:11:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] The biggest loser In-Reply-To: <013801c90fa5$8afb1120$6401a8c0@coranew> References: <675676.60566.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200809052210.m85MApw7003097@i2bnetworks.com> <013801c90fa5$8afb1120$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: Yeah. My father was a newspaper man. I am disgusted with most of the journalists today. No one even pretends to be objective. Take Sarah Palin. They dig up her husband's DUI arrest from when he was 22 and not even her husband yet. But what do you ever hear about Obama's past? They don't even look. What did he do, for instance, as a 'community organizer'? What did he accomplish? I am an active civic volunteer, I know lots of community organizers. Some are great, and some are just a waste of grant money who do more harm than good. Who did he work for? We found out more about Sarah Palin's father in her acceptance speech than I've ever heard about Obama's mother. It's a joke. I realized it fully when every reporter in America left Cuba, where Castro was meeting with the Pope, to hurry back home for the story of Monica Lewinski's stained dress. Journalism was always a business, but we're back to the days of Yellow Journalism, all sensation and no substance. I watched both conventions on PBS (I don't have cable) and the comments were laughable. Objective?!?! My dad is a registered independent because he never wanted to be formally affiliated with a party. He always said that journalists should not belong to political organizations or participate in political protests while they were employed by a newspaper. After he retired, he was shocked when one of the young women reporters was approached one evening by a neighbor, whose young children played with her children, to tell her that she was going to turn herself in to the police in the morning for a long-ago crime. She had been living under an alias for years. The reporter wrote a column about it the following day. My father said she should have called up the paper the moment the neighbor left and written a story for the front page of the last edition. The story comes first, he said. Not your friends, or your politics. The newspaper is the Fifth Column, it has the sacred duty of reporting the truth, etc. etc. Oh well. There's a lot of great information on the internet but it's even more biased than the news. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Sep 5, 2008, at 6:20 PM, Cora Purvine wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Scott you are right. I tried to watch Channel 24 last night, but > they turned > my stomach so I went over to Channel 25 and they were just as bad so I > finally sent to Channel 8, our Public Service Channel. At least > they were > just reporting and not trying to sway me one way or the other. I > hope who > ever gets elected can do something about the way the media reports > things....sad!!!! > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora and Bernie Purvine > 5801 W. Juno Street > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > (316) 522-0733 > (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) > cpurvine1@cox.net > Microsoft Service Provider > Member NAQP > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 5:09 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] The biggest loser > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > It is my opinion that when this election cycle runs its course and we > elect a new administration, the biggest loser in this whole episode > will be the mainstream media. > > The biases have been far beyond anything ever seen. Hilary was a > victim of it, so is Sarah Palin. > > They (mainstream media) will no longer be looked upon as credible, or > a reliable source for doing what they're supposed to do, and that is > to provide the populace with an unbiased objective source of > information so that the populace can decide for itself, and not be > swayed one way or the other. > > The Internet has changed everything. > > ABC > CBS > NBC > New York Times/Boston Globe > LA Times > SF Chronicle > Atlanta Journal and Constitution > > the list goes on and on, revenues down, staff layoffs, plant > closings, M/As > > There is a reason for all of this. > > Journalisim as an objective discipline is dead (it maybe never was > that objective until the we had the Internet as a contrast to show > its bias) > > Have you watched the evening news lately? > Noticed the commercials? > My wife and I refer to the evening news as "The Medicine Show" > because that's all you see, commercials pitched at people in the > twilight of their years. > > We get information at lightening speeds from a 24/7 newscycle. > > The Drudge Report, no matter what its enemies say (mostly mainstream > media types) is eating mainstream media's lunch. And has been for > years now. > > Over 5 billion hits in the last year. Its on screens in every news > room across the world. > > There is a reason. > > So, the biggest loser...the mainstream media. > > And frankly speaking, they earned it. > > > S. > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3420 (20080905) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From kopynow at netzero.com Fri Sep 5 22:15:10 2008 From: kopynow at netzero.com (kopynow@netzero.com) Date: Fri Sep 5 22:16:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] {OFF} political... Message-ID: <20080905.211510.2179.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Well, she just got 4 votes from our household that were classified undecided a week ago. Tom Nichols Kwik Kopyshop ____________________________________________________________ Click to get information on the ultimate Bahamas relaxation vacation. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4uFHQEqyMbrHHUrV2gntLGAmsjwFtLK9CIhC8WI0ux4TzATy/ From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Sat Sep 6 02:40:19 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Sat Sep 6 02:40:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Book Ban Palin-Just the facts Message-ID: Were any books banned? June Pinell-Stephens, chairwoman of the Alaska Library Association's Intellectual Freedom Committee since 1984, checked her files Wednesday (Sept 3, 2008) and came up empty-handed. Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Sat Sep 6 08:59:38 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Sat Sep 6 08:59:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Book Ban Palin-Just the facts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0809060559m6a3b088dvc1dfa26d69228419@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 2:40 AM, larry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Were any books banned? June Pinell-Stephens, chairwoman of the Alaska > Library Association's Intellectual Freedom Committee since 1984, checked her > files Wednesday (Sept 3, 2008) and came up empty-handed. > The question is not whether any were banned, but whether Palin *wanted* and *asked* (insisted?) that certain books be banned. The second question is whether it is true that she had, or tried to have, the librarian who refused, fired. I think the answers to these answers could amount to nothing less than a deal-breaker for Palin if the assertions prove true. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From sgfinke at fuse.net Sat Sep 6 09:52:55 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Sat Sep 6 09:49:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Book Ban Palin-Just the facts In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0809060559m6a3b088dvc1dfa26d69228419@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0809060559m6a3b088dvc1dfa26d69228419@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <91E0E5C3-F30E-4FB4-94CE-2988C15B8B61@fuse.net> So where are the allegations? So far I haven't heard anything except from you. Book banning is an inflammatory accusation. People being upset about certain books being available in a library is not. Some of us seem to be inclined to believe that Palin wanted books banned and others of us seem to be inclined to believe that she didn't. I, for one, would like to hear the accusation and the facts. I'm not inclined to believe anything except that the obvious -- a lot of people are out to get this woman right now. Jumping to conclusions is never good, in this case it calls for more than the usual caution. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Sep 6, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 2:40 AM, larry wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Were any books banned? June Pinell-Stephens, chairwoman of the Alaska >> Library Association's Intellectual Freedom Committee since 1984, >> checked her >> files Wednesday (Sept 3, 2008) and came up empty-handed. >> > > > > The question is not whether any were banned, but whether Palin > *wanted* and > *asked* (insisted?) that certain books be banned. The second > question is > whether it is true that she had, or tried to have, the librarian who > refused, fired. I think the answers to these answers could amount > to nothing > less than a deal-breaker for Palin if the assertions prove true. > > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Sir Francis Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From rstor at copycats.com Sat Sep 6 09:52:26 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Sat Sep 6 09:53:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Off - Palin In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0809060559m6a3b088dvc1dfa26d69228419@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0809060559m6a3b088dvc1dfa26d69228419@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C28B1A.2030100@copycats.com> Michael, There are a number of net references on Palin asking if books could be banned on one occasion. She also asked that the head librarian resign, though it is unclear if the two events were related. The librarian involved has not commented one way or another. FWIW, I was going to vote McCain. The addition of Palin to the ticket has done much to weaken my commitment. I watched the speech. I was not impressed. To me, she came across like a lightweight. The speechwriters did a good job but she did not strike me someone who I would want with a finger on the button. And I find the idea that she supports creationism be taught in the schools to be deeply disturbing. Our country is lagging in science education. Our science and engineering graduate programs are filled with foreign students who, upon graduation, go back to their native countries primarily because make it hard to let them stay and get jobs. The last thing we need is a throwback who believes that 200-year-old discredited scientific ideas should be given the legitimacy of tax-subsidized education. Abortion is a matter of belief. Scientific truths are not, unless you live in a country rule by a theocracy. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 2:40 AM, larry wrote: > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Were any books banned? June Pinell-Stephens, chairwoman of the Alaska >> Library Association's Intellectual Freedom Committee since 1984, checked her >> files Wednesday (Sept 3, 2008) and came up empty-handed. >> >> > > > > The question is not whether any were banned, but whether Palin *wanted* and > *asked* (insisted?) that certain books be banned. The second question is > whether it is true that she had, or tried to have, the librarian who > refused, fired. I think the answers to these answers could amount to nothing > less than a deal-breaker for Palin if the assertions prove true. > > > > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Sat Sep 6 10:52:41 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Sat Sep 6 10:52:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Book Ban Palin-Just the facts In-Reply-To: <91E0E5C3-F30E-4FB4-94CE-2988C15B8B61@fuse.net> References: <98f5b19a0809060559m6a3b088dvc1dfa26d69228419@mail.gmail.com> <91E0E5C3-F30E-4FB4-94CE-2988C15B8B61@fuse.net> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0809060752j6fcb8875x786bafb130392c06@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Scott and Gail Finke wrote: > > So where are the allegations? So far I haven't heard anything except from you. > > a lot of people are out to get this woman right now. Jumping to conclusions is never good, in this case it calls for more than the usual caution. I am not "out to get this woman." Like a lot of people, I've been doing a lot of reading this past week to learn what facts I can about her, to arrive at an informed appraisal. I couldn't care less about the fact that she's a woman, that she can shoot and gut a moose, that her husband was arrested for DUI 20 years ago. All of that means nothing to me. Whether or not I can personally relate to her lifestyle is not relevant to her qualifications. And I do believe she's very capable, and a doer. And I enjoyed her comparisons of her experience to Obama's. I have tried to give her the benefit of the doubt. That said, there are some things about her that I find personally disturbing. For one, I'd like to see the whole pro-life issue taken off the political table. I hate even the bias that resonates in the term "pro-life," as if those who did not subscribe were "pro-death." I believe in the republican value of individual choice, individual liberty. And I don't want some fundamentalist right wing "religionist" cramming their values down my throat. Especially while bragging about their proven pit-bull capability to do so. (Not for nothing, while I don't hold it against her that her unwed daughter is pregnant, I am offended by the hypocrisy of parading one's high morality and wanting foist it on everyone and make it the law of the land, while turning a blind eye to those high moral values in one's own family and being so it's-perfectly-okay tolerant. (I'm fine with the tolerance part, but it should go hand in hand with tolerance of others' views). Pretty hollow values, if you ask me. Now, book banning, to my view, would be a very serious offense. As for not having heard anything except from me (and the implication that I'm feeding you just so much more anti-Palin bias), there has been a lot written about it. The librarian in question apparently resigned over the incident. Here are some references I found. Bear in mind, I am not citing these as truth. But I certainly do want to learn the truth because, as I've indicated, for me it would be the end-of-discussion about her. In a Time magazine article about Palin (http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html): "[Former Wasilla mayor] Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." The librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire her for not giving "full support" to the mayor." [The librarian subsequently resigned in 1999] You can interpret from this article: http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/515512.html, that there is no hard evidence, or ponder why Palin would even ask the questions she did. Draw your own conclusions. But be careful of your own bias, and try to be objective. The New York Times reported that Palin explored a book banning campaign as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska in the late 1990's: "Shortly after becoming mayor, former city officials and Wasilla residents said, Ms. Palin approached the town librarian about the possibility of banning some books, though she never followed through... "Ann Kilkenny, a Democrat who said she attended every City Council meeting in Ms. Palin's first year in office, said Ms. Palin brought up the idea of banning some books at one meeting. "They were somehow morally or socially objectionable to her," Ms. Kilkenny said. "The librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, pledged to "resist all efforts at censorship," Ms. Kilkenny recalled. Ms. Palin fired Ms. Emmons shortly after taking office but changed course after residents made a strong show of support..." I repeat: I do not offer these examples as fact, but as something potentially telling about someone none of us knows anything about. Turning a blind idea to the allegations because they might constitute biased-against-her reporting is nothing more than bias of another sort. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Sat Sep 6 11:05:16 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Sat Sep 6 11:05:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Off - Palin In-Reply-To: <48C28B1A.2030100@copycats.com> References: <98f5b19a0809060559m6a3b088dvc1dfa26d69228419@mail.gmail.com> <48C28B1A.2030100@copycats.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0809060805w31f4730chb6f263f1d91fe111@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Robert Stor wrote: > > FWIW, I was going to vote McCain. The addition of Palin to the ticket has > done much to weaken my commitment. > > And I find the idea that she supports creationism be taught in the schools > to be deeply disturbing. Our country is lagging in science education. Our > science and engineering graduate programs are filled with foreign students > who, upon graduation, go back to their native countries primarily because > make it hard to let them stay and get jobs. The last thing we need is a > throwback who believes that 200-year-old discredited scientific ideas should > be given the legitimacy of tax-subsidized education. Abortion is a matter of > belief. Scientific truths are not, unless you live in a country rule by a > theocracy. I'm glad I'm not alone. I'm amazed by how many people here are willing to turn a blind eye to these defining issues, calling all news reporting them as (presumably unfairly) biased against her. Perhaps it's because the news media focus on all the superficial lifestyle crap. I think people need to worry more about what this particular pit-bull could bite on. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From copythatnyc at aol.com Sat Sep 6 11:40:59 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Sat Sep 6 11:41:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] The biggest loser In-Reply-To: <013801c90fa5$8afb1120$6401a8c0@coranew> References: <675676.60566.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200809052210.m85MApw7003097@i2bnetworks.com> <013801c90fa5$8afb1120$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <8CADE4E184C0B75-D0C-256E@FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com> I stop watching regular news a couple of months after the invasion of IRAQ. They (news)...IN-BEDded! are all regulated to play out scenarios in order to filtrate our minds to believe what they (government ) want us to hear. I used to only watch the news for sports. Now ESPN is all I need. Scott is totally Correct! JM2? Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Cora Purvine To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 6:20 pm Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] The biggest loser ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Scott you are right. I tried to watch Channel 24 last night, but they turned my stomach so I went over to Channel 25 and they were just as bad so I finally sent to Channel 8, our Public Service Channel. At least they were just reporting and not trying to sway me one way or the other. I hope who ever gets elected can do something about the way the media reports things....sad!!!! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printw eb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 5:09 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] The biggest loser ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** It is my opinion that when this election cycle runs its course and we elect a new administration, the biggest loser in this whole episode will be the mainstream media. The biases have been far beyond anything ever seen. Hilary was a victim of it, so is Sarah Palin. They (mainstream media) will no longer be looked upon as credible, or a reliable source for doing what they're supposed to do, and that is to provide the populace with an unbiased objective source of information so that the populace can decide for itself, and not be swayed one way or the other. The Internet has changed everything. ABC CBS NBC New York Times/Boston Globe LA Times SF Chronicle Atlanta Journal and Constitution the list goes on and on, revenues down, staff layoffs, plant closings, M/As There is a reason for all of this. Journalisim as an objective discipline is dead (it maybe never was that objective until the we had the Internet as a contrast to show its bias) Have you watched the evening news lately? Noticed the commercials? My wife and I refer to the evening news as "The Medicine Show" because that's all you see, commercials pitched at people in the0D twilight of their years. We get information at lightening speeds from a 24/7 newscycle. The Drudge Report, no matter what its enemies say (mostly mainstream media types) is eating mainstream media's lunch. And has been for years now. Over 5 billion hits in the last year. Its on screens in every news room across the world. There is a reason. So, the biggest loser...the mainstream media. And frankly speaking, they earned it. S. _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3420 (20080905) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Po st: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kellycrom at gmail.com Sat Sep 6 12:03:21 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Sat Sep 6 12:03:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Off - Palin - creationism In-Reply-To: <48C28B1A.2030100@copycats.com> References: <98f5b19a0809060559m6a3b088dvc1dfa26d69228419@mail.gmail.com> <48C28B1A.2030100@copycats.com> Message-ID: <006201c9103a$17275110$4575f330$@com> > > And I find the idea that she supports creationism be taught in the > schools to be deeply disturbing. > Palin was quoted in the Anchorage Daily News that: "I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum." Healthy debate(as seen many times even on this list) is good, especially for our children. She didn't say "let's mandate the teaching of creation or intelligent design", but let's not prohibit the discussion if it comes up in our public schools. Evolution is based much more on theories than facts. Over the decades the theories on evolution have kept changing when new "facts" have been discovered. Also, many scientists(even Darwin) have said that the true evidence for evolution isn't really there. Below are just a few: "The evidence of Geology today is that species seem to come into existence suddenly and in full perfection, remain substantially unchanged during the terms of their existence, and pass away in full perfection. Other species take their place, apparently by substitution, not by transmutation" Geologist, Joseph Le Conte "Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory." Charles Robert Darwin, The Origin of Species: The Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life, 1st edition reprint. Avenel Books "The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology (study of fossils). In any local area, a species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its ancestors, it appears all at once and fully formed." Dr. Stephen J. Gould, Prof of Geology and Paleontology, Harvard University. Mentioned in one of his regular columns in Natural History Magazine (1977) and also in The Panda's Thumb, 1980, p. 181-182 "different species usually appear and disappear from the record without showing the transitions that Darwin postulated -- we are now about 120 years after Darwin and the knowledge of the fossil record has been greatly expanded. We now have a quarter of a million fossil species but the situation hasn't changed much -- We have fewer examples of evolutionary transitions than we had in Darwins' time" Dr. David Raup, a paleontologist at the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago. Field Museum Natural History Bulletin 50:22- 29 "Evolution requires intermediate forms between species and paleontology does not provide them" Dr. David B. Kitts, Paleontologist Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Sat Sep 6 12:06:44 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Sat Sep 6 12:08:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Book Ban Palin-Just the facts In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0809060752j6fcb8875x786bafb130392c06@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0809060559m6a3b088dvc1dfa26d69228419@mail.gmail.com><91E0E5C3-F30E-4FB4-94CE-2988C15B8B61@fuse.net> <98f5b19a0809060752j6fcb8875x786bafb130392c06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It seems these 2 resources can't agree on the name of the librarian. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 9:53 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Book Ban Palin-Just the facts ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Scott and Gail Finke wrote: > > So where are the allegations? So far I haven't heard anything except from you. > > a lot of people are out to get this woman right now. Jumping to conclusions is never good, in this case it calls for more than the usual caution. I am not "out to get this woman." Like a lot of people, I've been doing a lot of reading this past week to learn what facts I can about her, to arrive at an informed appraisal. I couldn't care less about the fact that she's a woman, that she can shoot and gut a moose, that her husband was arrested for DUI 20 years ago. All of that means nothing to me. Whether or not I can personally relate to her lifestyle is not relevant to her qualifications. And I do believe she's very capable, and a doer. And I enjoyed her comparisons of her experience to Obama's. I have tried to give her the benefit of the doubt. That said, there are some things about her that I find personally disturbing. For one, I'd like to see the whole pro-life issue taken off the political table. I hate even the bias that resonates in the term "pro-life," as if those who did not subscribe were "pro-death." I believe in the republican value of individual choice, individual liberty. And I don't want some fundamentalist right wing "religionist" cramming their values down my throat. Especially while bragging about their proven pit-bull capability to do so. (Not for nothing, while I don't hold it against her that her unwed daughter is pregnant, I am offended by the hypocrisy of parading one's high morality and wanting foist it on everyone and make it the law of the land, while turning a blind eye to those high moral values in one's own family and being so it's-perfectly-okay tolerant. (I'm fine with the tolerance part, but it should go hand in hand with tolerance of others' views). Pretty hollow values, if you ask me. Now, book banning, to my view, would be a very serious offense. As for not having heard anything except from me (and the implication that I'm feeding you just so much more anti-Palin bias), there has been a lot written about it. The librarian in question apparently resigned over the incident. Here are some references I found. Bear in mind, I am not citing these as truth. But I certainly do want to learn the truth because, as I've indicated, for me it would be the end-of-discussion about her. In a Time magazine article about Palin (http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html): "[Former Wasilla mayor] Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." The librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire her for not giving "full support" to the mayor." [The librarian subsequently resigned in 1999] You can interpret from this article: http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/515512.html, that there is no hard evidence, or ponder why Palin would even ask the questions she did. Draw your own conclusions. But be careful of your own bias, and try to be objective. The New York Times reported that Palin explored a book banning campaign as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska in the late 1990's: "Shortly after becoming mayor, former city officials and Wasilla residents said, Ms. Palin approached the town librarian about the possibility of banning some books, though she never followed through... "Ann Kilkenny, a Democrat who said she attended every City Council meeting in Ms. Palin's first year in office, said Ms. Palin brought up the idea of banning some books at one meeting. "They were somehow morally or socially objectionable to her," Ms. Kilkenny said. "The librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, pledged to "resist all efforts at censorship," Ms. Kilkenny recalled. Ms. Palin fired Ms. Emmons shortly after taking office but changed course after residents made a strong show of support..." I repeat: I do not offer these examples as fact, but as something potentially telling about someone none of us knows anything about. Turning a blind idea to the allegations because they might constitute biased-against-her reporting is nothing more than bias of another sort. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From rstor at copycats.com Sat Sep 6 12:39:10 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Sat Sep 6 12:40:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Off - Palin - creationism In-Reply-To: <006201c9103a$17275110$4575f330$@com> References: <98f5b19a0809060559m6a3b088dvc1dfa26d69228419@mail.gmail.com> <48C28B1A.2030100@copycats.com> <006201c9103a$17275110$4575f330$@com> Message-ID: <48C2B22E.7020205@copycats.com> Kelly, There are 3 separate issues that arise from your post: A. Palin's position - Is there a prohibition against debate if it comes up in the classroom? I'm not aware of any such prohibition ANYWHERE. Frankly, I think she's raising strawman to know down so she can back off gracefully from her original statements. B. Validity of Darwinism - Most of the quotes you cite casting doubt on the validity of Darwinism are based on the lack of paleontological evidence for "intermediate species". The estimates of the number of CURRENT species on Earth that I have seen is in the 10 to 20 Million. If you go back over the 3 billion years for which life has existed on earth, you can reasonably reach a number in the Billions for how many species have ever existed. The paleontological record has barely been scratched. Relative to the size of the Earth, few places have been searched for fossils. In addition the chances of a fossil even surviving over the millenia are scant, because, as you know, organic matter is not durable. So the chances of finding the "Missing Links" are probably somewhere near those of hitting the lotto jackpot twice in a lifetime. On the other hand, anyone that has bred animals or plants, anyone that allows for the fact of genetically engineered crops, anyone that has benefited from a genetic test, anyone whose children look like them, will attest to the fact that traits are passed from one generation to another and that some of those traits give a survival advantage. C. Creationism as an alternative to Darwinsim - What distinguishes the arguments that you cite is that they all appeal to facts. What distinguishes Creationism is that it does not. At most, it appeals to holes in Darwinism. There are no facts that support it - only the opinion that organisms are too complex to have evolved a little at a time. Science is based on predictions of fact that can be disproved. Show me an alternative to Darwinism that can make predictions of fact that can be disproved, and that can explain the phenomena, and that will be a valid alternative. Creationism is not that theory - all it consists of is poking holes in Darwinism. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >> And I find the idea that she supports creationism be taught in the >> schools to be deeply disturbing. >> >> > > Palin was quoted in the Anchorage Daily News that: "I don't think there > should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't > have to be part of the curriculum." > > Healthy debate(as seen many times even on this list) is good, especially for > our children. She didn't say "let's mandate the teaching of creation or > intelligent design", but let's not prohibit the discussion if it comes up in > our public schools. > > Evolution is based much more on theories than facts. Over the decades the > theories on evolution have kept changing when new "facts" have been > discovered. Also, many scientists(even Darwin) have said that the true > evidence for evolution isn't really there. Below are just a few: > > "The evidence of Geology today is that species seem to come into existence > suddenly and in full perfection, remain substantially unchanged during the > terms of their existence, and pass away in full perfection. Other species > take their place, apparently by substitution, not by transmutation" > Geologist, Joseph Le Conte > > > "Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such > intermediate links? > Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; > and this, perhaps is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be > urged against my theory." > Charles Robert Darwin, > The Origin of Species: The Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for > Life, 1st edition reprint. Avenel Books > > > "The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as > the trade secret of paleontology (study of fossils). In any local area, a > species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its > ancestors, it appears all at once and fully formed." > Dr. Stephen J. Gould, Prof of Geology and Paleontology, Harvard University. > Mentioned in one of his regular columns in Natural History Magazine (1977) > and also in The Panda's Thumb, 1980, p. 181-182 > > > "different species usually appear and disappear from the record without > showing the transitions that Darwin postulated -- we are now about 120 years > after Darwin and the knowledge of the fossil record has been greatly > expanded. We now have a quarter of a million fossil species but the > situation hasn't changed much -- We have fewer examples of evolutionary > transitions than we had in Darwins' time" Dr. David Raup, a paleontologist > at the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago. Field Museum Natural > History Bulletin 50:22- 29 > > > > "Evolution requires intermediate forms between species and paleontology > does not provide them" Dr. David B. Kitts, Paleontologist > > > > Kelly Crom > Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 > Plymouth, MN 55441 > (763)231-6970 > kellycrom@gmail.com > www.applied-graphics.com > > p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's > Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From kellycrom at gmail.com Sat Sep 6 13:26:44 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Sat Sep 6 13:26:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Off - Palin - creationism In-Reply-To: <48C2B22E.7020205@copycats.com> References: <98f5b19a0809060559m6a3b088dvc1dfa26d69228419@mail.gmail.com> <48C28B1A.2030100@copycats.com> <006201c9103a$17275110$4575f330$@com> <48C2B22E.7020205@copycats.com> Message-ID: <006901c91045$bcc64cb0$3652e610$@com> Robert, I really don't want to get into a long debate about creationism vs Evolution. My biggest argument did come from Palin's position. In response to: > A. Palin's position - Is there a prohibition against debate if it comes > up in the classroom? I'm not aware of any such prohibition ANYWHERE. It seems that every year in the media we hear or read of a teacher in some public school being brought down because they raised the subject of Intelligent Design. I'm sure there may not be any written/enforced prohibitions anywhere, but the second one parent raises a stink because their child came home and said their teacher brought up Creation or Intelligent Design, then the media, the ACLU, and thousands of others start screaming "where is the separation of Church and State?". The mere fact that solid proof of the origin of Man still isn't there is grounds enough to teach, or at least offer, that "we really don't know" and that should be a strong enough reason enough to let the questions or debate be allowed(in our schools) if presented in a way that is acceptable to all parties(and no, I don't know what that way would be). Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robert Stor > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 11:39 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Off - Palin - creationism > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Kelly, > > There are 3 separate issues that arise from your post: > > A. Palin's position - Is there a prohibition against debate if it comes > up in the classroom? I'm not aware of any such prohibition ANYWHERE. > Frankly, I think she's raising strawman to know down so she can back > off > gracefully from her original statements. > > B. Validity of Darwinism - Most of the quotes you cite casting doubt on > the validity of Darwinism are based on the lack of paleontological > evidence for "intermediate species". The estimates of the number of > CURRENT species on Earth that I have seen is in the 10 to 20 Million. > If > you go back over the 3 billion years for which life has existed on > earth, you can reasonably reach a number in the Billions for how many > species have ever existed. The paleontological record has barely been > scratched. Relative to the size of the Earth, few places have been > searched for fossils. In addition the chances of a fossil even > surviving > over the millenia are scant, because, as you know, organic matter is > not > durable. So the chances of finding the "Missing Links" are probably > somewhere near those of hitting the lotto jackpot twice in a lifetime. > > On the other hand, anyone that has bred animals or plants, anyone that > allows for the fact of genetically engineered crops, anyone that has > benefited from a genetic test, anyone whose children look like them, > will attest to the fact that traits are passed from one generation to > another and that some of those traits give a survival advantage. > > C. Creationism as an alternative to Darwinsim - What distinguishes the > arguments that you cite is that they all appeal to facts. What > distinguishes Creationism is that it does not. At most, it appeals to > holes in Darwinism. There are no facts that support it - only the > opinion that organisms are too complex to have evolved a little at a > time. Science is based on predictions of fact that can be disproved. > Show me an alternative to Darwinism that can make predictions of fact > that can be disproved, and that can explain the phenomena, and that > will > be a valid alternative. Creationism is not that theory - all it > consists > of is poking holes in Darwinism. > > Regards, > Bob Stor > Copycats > New York, NY > 212-557-2111 x20 > www.copycats.com > > Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > >> And I find the idea that she supports creationism be taught in the > >> schools to be deeply disturbing. > >> > >> > > > > Palin was quoted in the Anchorage Daily News that: "I don't think > there > > should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It > doesn't > > have to be part of the curriculum." > > > > Healthy debate(as seen many times even on this list) is good, > especially for > > our children. She didn't say "let's mandate the teaching of creation > or > > intelligent design", but let's not prohibit the discussion if it > comes up in > > our public schools. > > > > Evolution is based much more on theories than facts. Over the decades > the > > theories on evolution have kept changing when new "facts" have been > > discovered. Also, many scientists(even Darwin) have said that the > true > > evidence for evolution isn't really there. Below are just a few: > > > > "The evidence of Geology today is that species seem to come into > existence > > suddenly and in full perfection, remain substantially unchanged > during the > > terms of their existence, and pass away in full perfection. Other > species > > take their place, apparently by substitution, not by transmutation" > > Geologist, Joseph Le Conte > > > > > > "Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of > such > > intermediate links? > > Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic > chain; > > and this, perhaps is the most obvious and gravest objection which can > be > > urged against my theory." > > Charles Robert Darwin, > > The Origin of Species: The Preservation of Favored Races in the > Struggle for > > Life, 1st edition reprint. Avenel Books > > > > > > "The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record > persists as > > the trade secret of paleontology (study of fossils). In any local > area, a > > species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its > > ancestors, it appears all at once and fully formed." > > Dr. Stephen J. Gould, Prof of Geology and Paleontology, Harvard > University. > > Mentioned in one of his regular columns in Natural History Magazine > (1977) > > and also in The Panda's Thumb, 1980, p. 181-182 > > > > > > "different species usually appear and disappear from the record > without > > showing the transitions that Darwin postulated -- we are now about > 120 years > > after Darwin and the knowledge of the fossil record has been greatly > > expanded. We now have a quarter of a million fossil species but the > > situation hasn't changed much -- We have fewer examples of > evolutionary > > transitions than we had in Darwins' time" Dr. David Raup, a > paleontologist > > at the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago. Field Museum > Natural > > History Bulletin 50:22- 29 > > > > > > > > "Evolution requires intermediate forms between species and > paleontology > > does not provide them" Dr. David B. Kitts, Paleontologist > > > > > > > > Kelly Crom > > Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > > 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 > > Plymouth, MN 55441 > > (763)231-6970 > > kellycrom@gmail.com > > www.applied-graphics.com > > > > p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's > > Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ron at printingconcepts.com Sat Sep 6 13:41:50 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Sat Sep 6 13:41:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Off - Palin - creationism-book banning In-Reply-To: <006201c9103a$17275110$4575f330$@com> Message-ID: Evolution is a theory, yes... just as there is a theory of gravity. The use by science of the word "theory" does not approximate the vernacular use of the word. There are many "gaps" in the fossil record for transitional forms, as there will always be. New transitional forms are being discovered, but there will be gaps even between the new form and the next, and so on. We have a national park near our business with literally thousands of deer running through it. The chances that just one of these deer will be fossilized in the next 100 years is minutely small. Most carcasses are picked clean and bones eaten and/or scattered by animals, insects, and bacteria within several days of death. Hence, the sheer number of fossils that do exist is testament also to the earth's great age. I am reminded of a conversation that Isaac Assimov had on a plane with a religious person, (I am paraphrasing), when he was asked, "How can you believe in science, it constantly is revising its theories?" Answering, he said, "Yes, science has constantly corrected itself, and will continue to corrected itself, how often has your religion changed?" The core problem with creationism or even "intelligent design" is that it emanates from an ideology and a preconceived conclusion, something that is intrinsically anti-science. The problem with would-be book banners like Palin comes when they are put into a position of power and then fail to recognize the principles of separation of church and state as outlined in the constitution. Religious beliefs that cannot be challenged by the facts then lead to our tax dollars being spent, for example, on the unsuccessful and thoroughly discredited abstinence ONLY sex education. (I do believe kids should be encourage to abstain, but they should get all the facts). The Catholic Inquisition was on-going when our country was founded, our founding fathers had seen enough of what happens when religion gains temporal power both in the Colonies and abroad. I am always bemused when I hear the religious claim that our government was founded on the Christian religion, when neither a God nor Jesus is mentioned once in the Constitution (what, did they forget?). As a former fundamentalist who knows the Bible pretty well, I know of only one instance where voting took place in the Bible, hardly a source of inspiration for our entirely revolutionary form of government. There are plenty of examples in the Bible, however, of the debasement and disenfranchisement of women, instructions in the implementation of slavery, endorsement of monarchy, etc. If you really want to the know the source for inspiration for much of our federal system, study the Iroquois Nation's system of government. I am fully for everyone's right to worship as they please. Paradoxically, our system of separation of church and state has fostered a higher degree of religiosity than all the European nations that have state-sponsored religion, and I don't think either Bush or Palin gets it. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons" "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, and of the merchants a merchant." RALPH WALDO EMERSON Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 12:03 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Off - Palin - creationism ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > And I find the idea that she supports creationism be taught in the > schools to be deeply disturbing. > Palin was quoted in the Anchorage Daily News that: "I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum." Healthy debate(as seen many times even on this list) is good, especially for our children. She didn't say "let's mandate the teaching of creation or intelligent design", but let's not prohibit the discussion if it comes up in our public schools. Evolution is based much more on theories than facts. Over the decades the theories on evolution have kept changing when new "facts" have been discovered. Also, many scientists(even Darwin) have said that the true evidence for evolution isn't really there. Below are just a few: "The evidence of Geology today is that species seem to come into existence suddenly and in full perfection, remain substantially unchanged during the terms of their existence, and pass away in full perfection. Other species take their place, apparently by substitution, not by transmutation" Geologist, Joseph Le Conte "Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory." Charles Robert Darwin, The Origin of Species: The Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life, 1st edition reprint. Avenel Books "The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology (study of fossils). In any local area, a species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its ancestors, it appears all at once and fully formed." Dr. Stephen J. Gould, Prof of Geology and Paleontology, Harvard University. Mentioned in one of his regular columns in Natural History Magazine (1977) and also in The Panda's Thumb, 1980, p. 181-182 "different species usually appear and disappear from the record without showing the transitions that Darwin postulated -- we are now about 120 years after Darwin and the knowledge of the fossil record has been greatly expanded. We now have a quarter of a million fossil species but the situation hasn't changed much -- We have fewer examples of evolutionary transitions than we had in Darwins' time" Dr. David Raup, a paleontologist at the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago. Field Museum Natural History Bulletin 50:22- 29 "Evolution requires intermediate forms between species and paleontology does not provide them" Dr. David B. Kitts, Paleontologist Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Sat Sep 6 13:43:45 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Sat Sep 6 13:45:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Off - Palin - creationism In-Reply-To: <006901c91045$bcc64cb0$3652e610$@com> References: <98f5b19a0809060559m6a3b088dvc1dfa26d69228419@mail.gmail.com> <48C28B1A.2030100@copycats.com> <006201c9103a$17275110$4575f330$@com> <48C2B22E.7020205@copycats.com> <006901c91045$bcc64cb0$3652e610$@com> Message-ID: <200809061745.m86Hjlv3063617@i2bnetworks.com> A couple of things to think about. Evolution is a theory supported by a lot of physical evidence. That it is a theory, also means it is not a fact. As we uncover more and more physical evidence over time, the theory becomes more and more supportable. When enough evidence is uncovered that a theory becomes irrefutable, it becomes a fact. Evolution at this point in our history and understanding is still a theory. Intelligent design is a Hypothesis. A Hypothesis is a theory without any physical evidence. When physical evidence is discovered, a hypothesis (which is basically an idea) graduates to become a theory. One of the best explanations of why schools won't teach Intelligent Design is that there is no evidence of its existence. There is only faith in the hypothesis. I believe that a lot of people get caught up in the church vs. state thing, but a teacher who is tasked with teaching science, would find it difficult to teach a hypothesis without some sort of physical evidence to give credibility to its existence. Therefore Intelligent design does not belong in a classroom teaching science. If more people would stop and thing about this, perhaps there would be a little less passion and a little more understanding of the problem. S. At 10:26 AM 9/6/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Robert, > >I really don't want to get into a long debate about creationism vs >Evolution. My biggest argument did come from Palin's position. >In response to: > > A. Palin's position - Is there a prohibition against debate if it comes > > up in the classroom? I'm not aware of any such prohibition ANYWHERE. > >It seems that every year in the media we hear or read of a teacher in some >public school being brought down because they raised the subject of >Intelligent Design. I'm sure there may not be any written/enforced >prohibitions anywhere, but the second one parent raises a stink because >their child came home and said their teacher brought up Creation or >Intelligent Design, then the media, the ACLU, and thousands of others start >screaming "where is the separation of Church and State?". >The mere fact that solid proof of the origin of Man still isn't there is >grounds enough to teach, or at least offer, that "we really don't know" and >that should be a strong enough reason enough to let the questions or debate >be allowed(in our schools) if presented in a way that is acceptable to all >parties(and no, I don't know what that way would be). > >Kelly Crom >Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. >2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 >Plymouth, MN 55441 >(763)231-6970 >kellycrom@gmail.com >www.applied-graphics.com > >p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's >Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robert Stor > > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 11:39 AM > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Off - Palin - creationism > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Kelly, > > > > There are 3 separate issues that arise from your post: > > > > A. Palin's position - Is there a prohibition against debate if it comes > > up in the classroom? I'm not aware of any such prohibition ANYWHERE. > > Frankly, I think she's raising strawman to know down so she can back > > off > > gracefully from her original statements. > > > > B. Validity of Darwinism - Most of the quotes you cite casting doubt on > > the validity of Darwinism are based on the lack of paleontological > > evidence for "intermediate species". The estimates of the number of > > CURRENT species on Earth that I have seen is in the 10 to 20 Million. > > If > > you go back over the 3 billion years for which life has existed on > > earth, you can reasonably reach a number in the Billions for how many > > species have ever existed. The paleontological record has barely been > > scratched. Relative to the size of the Earth, few places have been > > searched for fossils. In addition the chances of a fossil even > > surviving > > over the millenia are scant, because, as you know, organic matter is > > not > > durable. So the chances of finding the "Missing Links" are probably > > somewhere near those of hitting the lotto jackpot twice in a lifetime. > > > > On the other hand, anyone that has bred animals or plants, anyone that > > allows for the fact of genetically engineered crops, anyone that has > > benefited from a genetic test, anyone whose children look like them, > > will attest to the fact that traits are passed from one generation to > > another and that some of those traits give a survival advantage. > > > > C. Creationism as an alternative to Darwinsim - What distinguishes the > > arguments that you cite is that they all appeal to facts. What > > distinguishes Creationism is that it does not. At most, it appeals to > > holes in Darwinism. There are no facts that support it - only the > > opinion that organisms are too complex to have evolved a little at a > > time. Science is based on predictions of fact that can be disproved. > > Show me an alternative to Darwinism that can make predictions of fact > > that can be disproved, and that can explain the phenomena, and that > > will > > be a valid alternative. Creationism is not that theory - all it > > consists > > of is poking holes in Darwinism. > > > > Regards, > > Bob Stor > > Copycats > > New York, NY > > 212-557-2111 x20 > > www.copycats.com > > > > Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > > > >> And I find the idea that she supports creationism be taught in the > > >> schools to be deeply disturbing. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > Palin was quoted in the Anchorage Daily News that: "I don't think > > there > > > should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It > > doesn't > > > have to be part of the curriculum." > > > > > > Healthy debate(as seen many times even on this list) is good, > > especially for > > > our children. She didn't say "let's mandate the teaching of creation > > or > > > intelligent design", but let's not prohibit the discussion if it > > comes up in > > > our public schools. > > > > > > Evolution is based much more on theories than facts. Over the decades > > the > > > theories on evolution have kept changing when new "facts" have been > > > discovered. Also, many scientists(even Darwin) have said that the > > true > > > evidence for evolution isn't really there. Below are just a few: > > > > > > "The evidence of Geology today is that species seem to come into > > existence > > > suddenly and in full perfection, remain substantially unchanged > > during the > > > terms of their existence, and pass away in full perfection. Other > > species > > > take their place, apparently by substitution, not by transmutation" > > > Geologist, Joseph Le Conte > > > > > > > > > "Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of > > such > > > intermediate links? > > > Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic > > chain; > > > and this, perhaps is the most obvious and gravest objection which can > > be > > > urged against my theory." > > > Charles Robert Darwin, > > > The Origin of Species: The Preservation of Favored Races in the > > Struggle for > > > Life, 1st edition reprint. Avenel Books > > > > > > > > > "The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record > > persists as > > > the trade secret of paleontology (study of fossils). In any local > > area, a > > > species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its > > > ancestors, it appears all at once and fully formed." > > > Dr. Stephen J. Gould, Prof of Geology and Paleontology, Harvard > > University. > > > Mentioned in one of his regular columns in Natural History Magazine > > (1977) > > > and also in The Panda's Thumb, 1980, p. 181-182 > > > > > > > > > "different species usually appear and disappear from the record > > without > > > showing the transitions that Darwin postulated -- we are now about > > 120 years > > > after Darwin and the knowledge of the fossil record has been greatly > > > expanded. We now have a quarter of a million fossil species but the > > > situation hasn't changed much -- We have fewer examples of > > evolutionary > > > transitions than we had in Darwins' time" Dr. David Raup, a > > paleontologist > > > at the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago. Field Museum > > Natural > > > History Bulletin 50:22- 29 > > > > > > > > > > > > "Evolution requires intermediate forms between species and > > paleontology > > > does not provide them" Dr. David B. Kitts, Paleontologist > > > > > > > > > > > > Kelly Crom > > > Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > > > 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 > > > Plymouth, MN 55441 > > > (763)231-6970 > > > kellycrom@gmail.com > > > www.applied-graphics.com > > > > > > p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's > > > Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3423 (20080906) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From joe at trinitypress.com Sat Sep 6 14:10:16 2008 From: joe at trinitypress.com (Joe Dye) Date: Sat Sep 6 14:10:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 37, Issue 36 In-Reply-To: <20080906174556.D10E1106BD8D@rb.enter.net> References: <20080906174556.D10E1106BD8D@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7C86ECF8-64DB-48FB-AAF2-D01C869BA6EA@trinitypress.com> It takes more faith to believe that something other than the intelligent creator made us. Joe Dye Trinity Press/LOOK Design 678-462-8864 On Sep 6, 2008, at 1:45 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > Send PrintOwners mailing list submissions to > printowners@printweb.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > printowners-request@printweb.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > printowners-owner@printweb.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of PrintOwners digest..." > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Digest ***** > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Off - Palin - creationism (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) > 2. RE: Off - Palin - creationism-book banning (Ron Taggart) > 3. RE: Off - Palin - creationism (Scott Cappel) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:26:44 -0500 > From: "Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics" > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Off - Palin - creationism > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Message-ID: <006901c91045$bcc64cb0$3652e610$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Robert, > > I really don't want to get into a long debate about creationism vs > Evolution. My biggest argument did come from Palin's position. > In response to: >> A. Palin's position - Is there a prohibition against debate if it >> comes >> up in the classroom? I'm not aware of any such prohibition ANYWHERE. > > It seems that every year in the media we hear or read of a teacher > in some > public school being brought down because they raised the subject of > Intelligent Design. I'm sure there may not be any written/enforced > prohibitions anywhere, but the second one parent raises a stink > because > their child came home and said their teacher brought up Creation or > Intelligent Design, then the media, the ACLU, and thousands of > others start > screaming "where is the separation of Church and State?". > The mere fact that solid proof of the origin of Man still isn't > there is > grounds enough to teach, or at least offer, that "we really don't > know" and > that should be a strong enough reason enough to let the questions or > debate > be allowed(in our schools) if presented in a way that is acceptable > to all > parties(and no, I don't know what that way would be). > > Kelly Crom > Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 > Plymouth, MN 55441 > (763)231-6970 > kellycrom@gmail.com > www.applied-graphics.com > > p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's > Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- >> bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robert Stor >> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 11:39 AM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Off - Palin - creationism >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Kelly, >> >> There are 3 separate issues that arise from your post: >> >> A. Palin's position - Is there a prohibition against debate if it >> comes >> up in the classroom? I'm not aware of any such prohibition ANYWHERE. >> Frankly, I think she's raising strawman to know down so she can back >> off >> gracefully from her original statements. >> >> B. Validity of Darwinism - Most of the quotes you cite casting >> doubt on >> the validity of Darwinism are based on the lack of paleontological >> evidence for "intermediate species". The estimates of the number of >> CURRENT species on Earth that I have seen is in the 10 to 20 Million. >> If >> you go back over the 3 billion years for which life has existed on >> earth, you can reasonably reach a number in the Billions for how many >> species have ever existed. The paleontological record has barely been >> scratched. Relative to the size of the Earth, few places have been >> searched for fossils. In addition the chances of a fossil even >> surviving >> over the millenia are scant, because, as you know, organic matter is >> not >> durable. So the chances of finding the "Missing Links" are probably >> somewhere near those of hitting the lotto jackpot twice in a >> lifetime. >> >> On the other hand, anyone that has bred animals or plants, anyone >> that >> allows for the fact of genetically engineered crops, anyone that has >> benefited from a genetic test, anyone whose children look like them, >> will attest to the fact that traits are passed from one generation to >> another and that some of those traits give a survival advantage. >> >> C. Creationism as an alternative to Darwinsim - What distinguishes >> the >> arguments that you cite is that they all appeal to facts. What >> distinguishes Creationism is that it does not. At most, it appeals to >> holes in Darwinism. There are no facts that support it - only the >> opinion that organisms are too complex to have evolved a little at a >> time. Science is based on predictions of fact that can be disproved. >> Show me an alternative to Darwinism that can make predictions of fact >> that can be disproved, and that can explain the phenomena, and that >> will >> be a valid alternative. Creationism is not that theory - all it >> consists >> of is poking holes in Darwinism. >> >> Regards, >> Bob Stor >> Copycats >> New York, NY >> 212-557-2111 x20 >> www.copycats.com >> >> Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics wrote: >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> >>>> And I find the idea that she supports creationism be taught in the >>>> schools to be deeply disturbing. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Palin was quoted in the Anchorage Daily News that: "I don't think >> there >>> should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It >> doesn't >>> have to be part of the curriculum." >>> >>> Healthy debate(as seen many times even on this list) is good, >> especially for >>> our children. She didn't say "let's mandate the teaching of creation >> or >>> intelligent design", but let's not prohibit the discussion if it >> comes up in >>> our public schools. >>> >>> Evolution is based much more on theories than facts. Over the >>> decades >> the >>> theories on evolution have kept changing when new "facts" have been >>> discovered. Also, many scientists(even Darwin) have said that the >> true >>> evidence for evolution isn't really there. Below are just a few: >>> >>> "The evidence of Geology today is that species seem to come into >> existence >>> suddenly and in full perfection, remain substantially unchanged >> during the >>> terms of their existence, and pass away in full perfection. Other >> species >>> take their place, apparently by substitution, not by transmutation" >>> Geologist, Joseph Le Conte >>> >>> >>> "Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full >>> of >> such >>> intermediate links? >>> Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic >> chain; >>> and this, perhaps is the most obvious and gravest objection which >>> can >> be >>> urged against my theory." >>> Charles Robert Darwin, >>> The Origin of Species: The Preservation of Favored Races in the >> Struggle for >>> Life, 1st edition reprint. Avenel Books >>> >>> >>> "The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record >> persists as >>> the trade secret of paleontology (study of fossils). In any local >> area, a >>> species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its >>> ancestors, it appears all at once and fully formed." >>> Dr. Stephen J. Gould, Prof of Geology and Paleontology, Harvard >> University. >>> Mentioned in one of his regular columns in Natural History Magazine >> (1977) >>> and also in The Panda's Thumb, 1980, p. 181-182 >>> >>> >>> "different species usually appear and disappear from the record >> without >>> showing the transitions that Darwin postulated -- we are now about >> 120 years >>> after Darwin and the knowledge of the fossil record has been greatly >>> expanded. We now have a quarter of a million fossil species but the >>> situation hasn't changed much -- We have fewer examples of >> evolutionary >>> transitions than we had in Darwins' time" Dr. David Raup, a >> paleontologist >>> at the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago. Field Museum >> Natural >>> History Bulletin 50:22- 29 >>> >>> >>> >>> "Evolution requires intermediate forms between species and >> paleontology >>> does not provide them" Dr. David B. Kitts, Paleontologist >>> >>> >>> >>> Kelly Crom >>> Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. >>> 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 >>> Plymouth, MN 55441 >>> (763)231-6970 >>> kellycrom@gmail.com >>> www.applied-graphics.com >>> >>> p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's >>> Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 13:41:50 -0400 > From: "Ron Taggart" > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Off - Palin - creationism-book banning > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Evolution is a theory, yes... just as there is a theory of gravity. > The use > by science of the word "theory" does not approximate the vernacular > use of > the word. > > There are many "gaps" in the fossil record for transitional forms, > as there > will always be. New transitional forms are being discovered, but > there will > be gaps even between the new form and the next, and so on. We have a > national park near our business with literally thousands of deer > running > through it. The chances that just one of these deer will be > fossilized in > the next 100 years is minutely small. Most carcasses are picked > clean and > bones eaten and/or scattered by animals, insects, and bacteria > within > several days of death. Hence, the sheer number of fossils that do > exist is > testament also to the earth's great age. > > I am reminded of a conversation that Isaac Assimov had on a plane > with a > religious person, (I am paraphrasing), when he was asked, "How can you > believe in science, it constantly is revising its theories?" > Answering, he > said, "Yes, science has constantly corrected itself, and will > continue to > corrected itself, how often has your religion changed?" > > The core problem with creationism or even "intelligent design" is > that it > emanates from an ideology and a preconceived conclusion, something > that is > intrinsically anti-science. > > The problem with would-be book banners like Palin comes when they > are put > into a position of power and then fail to recognize the principles of > separation of church and state as outlined in the constitution. > Religious > beliefs that cannot be challenged by the facts then lead to our tax > dollars > being spent, for example, on the unsuccessful and thoroughly > discredited > abstinence ONLY sex education. (I do believe kids should be > encourage to > abstain, but they should get all the facts). > > The Catholic Inquisition was on-going when our country was founded, > our > founding fathers had seen enough of what happens when religion gains > temporal power both in the Colonies and abroad. I am always bemused > when I > hear the religious claim that our government was founded on the > Christian > religion, when neither a God nor Jesus is mentioned once in the > Constitution > (what, did they forget?). As a former fundamentalist who knows the > Bible > pretty well, I know of only one instance where voting took place in > the > Bible, hardly a source of inspiration for our entirely revolutionary > form of > government. There are plenty of examples in the Bible, however, of > the > debasement and disenfranchisement of women, instructions in the > implementation of slavery, endorsement of monarchy, etc. If you > really want > to the know the source for inspiration for much of our federal > system, study > the Iroquois Nation's system of government. > > > I am fully for everyone's right to worship as they please. > Paradoxically, > our system of separation of church and state has fostered a higher > degree of > religiosity than all the European nations that have state-sponsored > religion, and I don't think either Bush or Palin gets it. > > > > > Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that > appear below > should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any > manner a > statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the > general > edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. > > "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, > adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." > > ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our > spoons" > > "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a > crusader, > and of the merchants a merchant." > > RALPH WALDO EMERSON > > > > > Ron Taggart, President > PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. > 4246 Hudson Drive > Stow, Ohio 44224 > 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 > www.printingconcepts.com > ron@printingconcepts.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Kelly Crom at > Applied Graphics > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 12:03 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Off - Palin - creationism > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> >> And I find the idea that she supports creationism be taught in the >> schools to be deeply disturbing. >> > > Palin was quoted in the Anchorage Daily News that: "I don't think > there > should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It > doesn't > have to be part of the curriculum." > > Healthy debate(as seen many times even on this list) is good, > especially for > our children. She didn't say "let's mandate the teaching of creation > or > intelligent design", but let's not prohibit the discussion if it > comes up in > our public schools. > > Evolution is based much more on theories than facts. Over the > decades the > theories on evolution have kept changing when new "facts" have been > discovered. Also, many scientists(even Darwin) have said that the true > evidence for evolution isn't really there. Below are just a few: > > "The evidence of Geology today is that species seem to come into > existence > suddenly and in full perfection, remain substantially unchanged > during the > terms of their existence, and pass away in full perfection. Other > species > take their place, apparently by substitution, not by transmutation" > Geologist, Joseph Le Conte > > > "Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full > of such > intermediate links? > Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic > chain; > and this, perhaps is the most obvious and gravest objection which > can be > urged against my theory." > Charles Robert Darwin, > The Origin of Species: The Preservation of Favored Races in the > Struggle for > Life, 1st edition reprint. Avenel Books > > > "The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record > persists as > the trade secret of paleontology (study of fossils). In any local > area, a > species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its > ancestors, it appears all at once and fully formed." > Dr. Stephen J. Gould, Prof of Geology and Paleontology, Harvard > University. > Mentioned in one of his regular columns in Natural History Magazine > (1977) > and also in The Panda's Thumb, 1980, p. 181-182 > > > "different species usually appear and disappear from the record > without > showing the transitions that Darwin postulated -- we are now about > 120 years > after Darwin and the knowledge of the fossil record has been greatly > expanded. We now have a quarter of a million fossil species but the > situation hasn't changed much -- We have fewer examples of > evolutionary > transitions than we had in Darwi From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Sat Sep 6 15:02:00 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Sat Sep 6 15:02:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scientific facts for Bob Stor Message-ID: And the fact is: scientific facts have not dis-proved creationism. If so, please oh please show me where I can read and know that these alleged facts have been finalized. It is just a theory. It is disturbing to me that our dumbed down education system teaches only one point of view, and does not allow for a counterpoint to be taught. And, that statement applies to any subject. Hey, I'm a math nerd w/credentials.... I have scored one of the highest 'math IQ's' available, over 180,....and FWIW, there are hundreds of math problems which have a solution, but have not yet been solved despite over 100 years of ongoing attempts. Don't believe me, check it out. And new unsolved problems arise frequently from within the math structure do to it's very nature. Google unsolved math problems. You will understand the most brilliant minds seeking the truth cannot achieve it..... It takes a leap of faith to believe in creationism, although most of the facts have been proven. Similarly, it takes the same leap of faith to believe in the scientific explaination. But, know this: never in the course of history has a species EVER changed to another species. Ask any biologist. That is the weak spot in their explaination, but people latch on to what ever makes them feel 'right' even if it's not. New species formation can happen, yes. Species CHANGE, no. Anything may be possible, but to date, these are the facts from the scientific community. Best, Larry Taylor ************************************************************************************************** And I find the idea that she supports creationism be taught in the schools to be deeply disturbing. Our country is lagging in science education. Our science and engineering graduate programs are filled with foreign students who, upon graduation, go back to their native countries primarily because make it hard to let them stay and get jobs. The last thing we need is a throwback who believes that 200-year-old discredited scientific ideas should be given the legitimacy of tax-subsidized education. Abortion is a matter of belief. Scientific truths are not, unless you live in a country rule by a theocracy. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Sat Sep 6 15:26:22 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Sat Sep 6 15:26:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Book Ban Palin-Just the facts In-Reply-To: References: <98f5b19a0809060559m6a3b088dvc1dfa26d69228419@mail.gmail.com> <91E0E5C3-F30E-4FB4-94CE-2988C15B8B61@fuse.net> <98f5b19a0809060752j6fcb8875x786bafb130392c06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0809061226v7969d7bfpfe93fd69930d7f22@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Mark Lake wrote: > It seems these 2 resources can't agree on the name of the librarian. > Maiden name; married name; same person. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Sat Sep 6 15:36:59 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Sat Sep 6 15:37:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Off - Palin - creationism In-Reply-To: <200809061745.m86Hjlv3063617@i2bnetworks.com> References: <98f5b19a0809060559m6a3b088dvc1dfa26d69228419@mail.gmail.com> <48C28B1A.2030100@copycats.com> <006201c9103a$17275110$4575f330$@com> <48C2B22E.7020205@copycats.com> <006901c91045$bcc64cb0$3652e610$@com> <200809061745.m86Hjlv3063617@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0809061236m72c403d9sf7e6d5fcd6572bb1@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > > Therefore Intelligent design does not belong in a classroom teaching > science. > > If more people would stop and thing about this, perhaps there would be a > little less passion and a little more understanding of the problem. Thank you Scott and Bob. Passion replacing facts seems to be the symptom on both sides this political season. Yes, if people would only stop and think... Then again, yielding to passion is so much easier. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From kellycrom at gmail.com Sat Sep 6 15:43:55 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Sat Sep 6 15:43:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] lenticular source Message-ID: <007201c91058$e6af3ba0$b40db2e0$@com> We have a customer who is looking at doing a lenticular book cover. Anyone have any good sources you have used? We have TravelTags locally, but want some other options. Yes, I've googled, but a recommended source would be helpful. Thanks, Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com Awarded the City of Plymouth 2008 Environmental Champion Award!!!!!!!!!!! p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Sat Sep 6 15:59:19 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Sat Sep 6 15:59:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 37, Issue 36 In-Reply-To: <7C86ECF8-64DB-48FB-AAF2-D01C869BA6EA@trinitypress.com> References: <20080906174556.D10E1106BD8D@rb.enter.net> <7C86ECF8-64DB-48FB-AAF2-D01C869BA6EA@trinitypress.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0809061259o2244203eob3373fe5559ee0be@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Joe Dye wrote: > > It takes more faith to believe that something other than the intelligent > creator made us. Horsefeathers! (to be polite) I respect your right to believe that, if not the belief itself, nor the thought process (or lack thereof) behind it. Please read the informed posts by Bob and Scott and Ron, and come back with some substance to back up your statement. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From ron at printingconcepts.com Sat Sep 6 16:22:32 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Sat Sep 6 16:22:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Off - Palin - creationism In-Reply-To: <200809061745.m86Hjlv3063617@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: >Intelligent design is a Hypothesis. A Hypothesis is a theory without any physical evidence. When physical evidence is discovered, a hypothesis (which is basically an idea) graduates to become a theory. Good points, Scott Any reading of history will show that religion has repeatedly used "the God of the gaps" argument, only to be consistently proven wrong. Before the advent of the wide acceptance of science, religion was used to explain nearly every natural phenomena. As science progressed in its ability to explain an ever wideneing array of phenomena, religion still stepped forward and proffered its explanations for gaps in scientific knowlege. This is intelligent design in a nutshell. Science hasn't figured out how life began, well, then, since we can't figure it out, God must have done it. When I was a fundamentalist, I enjoyed the surety of having an answer for everything. Now, I am perfectly comfortable saying I am not sure about quite a number of things... Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons" "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, and of the merchants a merchant." RALPH WALDO EMERSON Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 1:44 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Off - Palin - creationism ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** A couple of things to think about. Evolution is a theory supported by a lot of physical evidence. That it is a theory, also means it is not a fact. As we uncover more and more physical evidence over time, the theory becomes more and more supportable. When enough evidence is uncovered that a theory becomes irrefutable, it becomes a fact. Evolution at this point in our history and understanding is still a theory. Intelligent design is a Hypothesis. A Hypothesis is a theory without any physical evidence. When physical evidence is discovered, a hypothesis (which is basically an idea) graduates to become a theory. One of the best explanations of why schools won't teach Intelligent Design is that there is no evidence of its existence. There is only faith in the hypothesis. I believe that a lot of people get caught up in the church vs. state thing, but a teacher who is tasked with teaching science, would find it difficult to teach a hypothesis without some sort of physical evidence to give credibility to its existence. Therefore Intelligent design does not belong in a classroom teaching science. If more people would stop and thing about this, perhaps there would be a little less passion and a little more understanding of the problem. S. At 10:26 AM 9/6/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Robert, > >I really don't want to get into a long debate about creationism vs >Evolution. My biggest argument did come from Palin's position. >In response to: > > A. Palin's position - Is there a prohibition against debate if it comes > > up in the classroom? I'm not aware of any such prohibition ANYWHERE. > >It seems that every year in the media we hear or read of a teacher in some >public school being brought down because they raised the subject of >Intelligent Design. I'm sure there may not be any written/enforced >prohibitions anywhere, but the second one parent raises a stink because >their child came home and said their teacher brought up Creation or >Intelligent Design, then the media, the ACLU, and thousands of others start >screaming "where is the separation of Church and State?". >The mere fact that solid proof of the origin of Man still isn't there is >grounds enough to teach, or at least offer, that "we really don't know" and >that should be a strong enough reason enough to let the questions or debate >be allowed(in our schools) if presented in a way that is acceptable to all >parties(and no, I don't know what that way would be). > >Kelly Crom >Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. >2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 >Plymouth, MN 55441 >(763)231-6970 >kellycrom@gmail.com >www.applied-graphics.com > >p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's >Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robert Stor > > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 11:39 AM > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Off - Palin - creationism > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Kelly, > > > > There are 3 separate issues that arise from your post: > > > > A. Palin's position - Is there a prohibition against debate if it comes > > up in the classroom? I'm not aware of any such prohibition ANYWHERE. > > Frankly, I think she's raising strawman to know down so she can back > > off > > gracefully from her original statements. > > > > B. Validity of Darwinism - Most of the quotes you cite casting doubt on > > the validity of Darwinism are based on the lack of paleontological > > evidence for "intermediate species". The estimates of the number of > > CURRENT species on Earth that I have seen is in the 10 to 20 Million. > > If > > you go back over the 3 billion years for which life has existed on > > earth, you can reasonably reach a number in the Billions for how many > > species have ever existed. The paleontological record has barely been > > scratched. Relative to the size of the Earth, few places have been > > searched for fossils. In addition the chances of a fossil even > > surviving > > over the millenia are scant, because, as you know, organic matter is > > not > > durable. So the chances of finding the "Missing Links" are probably > > somewhere near those of hitting the lotto jackpot twice in a lifetime. > > > > On the other hand, anyone that has bred animals or plants, anyone that > > allows for the fact of genetically engineered crops, anyone that has > > benefited from a genetic test, anyone whose children look like them, > > will attest to the fact that traits are passed from one generation to > > another and that some of those traits give a survival advantage. > > > > C. Creationism as an alternative to Darwinsim - What distinguishes the > > arguments that you cite is that they all appeal to facts. What > > distinguishes Creationism is that it does not. At most, it appeals to > > holes in Darwinism. There are no facts that support it - only the > > opinion that organisms are too complex to have evolved a little at a > > time. Science is based on predictions of fact that can be disproved. > > Show me an alternative to Darwinism that can make predictions of fact > > that can be disproved, and that can explain the phenomena, and that > > will > > be a valid alternative. Creationism is not that theory - all it > > consists > > of is poking holes in Darwinism. > > > > Regards, > > Bob Stor > > Copycats > > New York, NY > > 212-557-2111 x20 > > www.copycats.com > > > > Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > > > >> And I find the idea that she supports creationism be taught in the > > >> schools to be deeply disturbing. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > Palin was quoted in the Anchorage Daily News that: "I don't think > > there > > > should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It > > doesn't > > > have to be part of the curriculum." > > > > > > Healthy debate(as seen many times even on this list) is good, > > especially for > > > our children. She didn't say "let's mandate the teaching of creation > > or > > > intelligent design", but let's not prohibit the discussion if it > > comes up in > > > our public schools. > > > > > > Evolution is based much more on theories than facts. Over the decades > > the > > > theories on evolution have kept changing when new "facts" have been > > > discovered. Also, many scientists(even Darwin) have said that the > > true > > > evidence for evolution isn't really there. Below are just a few: > > > > > > "The evidence of Geology today is that species seem to come into > > existence > > > suddenly and in full perfection, remain substantially unchanged > > during the > > > terms of their existence, and pass away in full perfection. Other > > species > > > take their place, apparently by substitution, not by transmutation" > > > Geologist, Joseph Le Conte > > > > > > > > > "Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of > > such > > > intermediate links? > > > Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic > > chain; > > > and this, perhaps is the most obvious and gravest objection which can > > be > > > urged against my theory." > > > Charles Robert Darwin, > > > The Origin of Species: The Preservation of Favored Races in the > > Struggle for > > > Life, 1st edition reprint. Avenel Books > > > > > > > > > "The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record > > persists as > > > the trade secret of paleontology (study of fossils). In any local > > area, a > > > species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its > > > ancestors, it appears all at once and fully formed." > > > Dr. Stephen J. Gould, Prof of Geology and Paleontology, Harvard > > University. > > > Mentioned in one of his regular columns in Natural History Magazine > > (1977) > > > and also in The Panda's Thumb, 1980, p. 181-182 > > > > > > > > > "different species usually appear and disappear from the record > > without > > > showing the transitions that Darwin postulated -- we are now about > > 120 years > > > after Darwin and the knowledge of the fossil record has been greatly > > > expanded. We now have a quarter of a million fossil species but the > > > situation hasn't changed much -- We have fewer examples of > > evolutionary > > > transitions than we had in Darwins' time" Dr. David Raup, a > > paleontologist > > > at the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago. Field Museum > > Natural > > > History Bulletin 50:22- 29 > > > > > > > > > > > > "Evolution requires intermediate forms between species and > > paleontology > > > does not provide them" Dr. David B. Kitts, Paleontologist > > > > > > > > > > > > Kelly Crom > > > Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > > > 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 > > > Plymouth, MN 55441 > > > (763)231-6970 > > > kellycrom@gmail.com > > > www.applied-graphics.com > > > > > > p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's > > > Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3423 (20080906) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Susan at cdandp.net Sat Sep 6 16:37:07 2008 From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton) Date: Sat Sep 6 16:37:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Political Correctness References: <20080906174556.D10E1106BD8D@rb.enter.net><7C86ECF8-64DB-48FB-AAF2-D01C869BA6EA@trinitypress.com> <98f5b19a0809061259o2244203eob3373fe5559ee0be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006301c91060$584b3b40$8302a8c0@Robbin> First off, whatever happened to the printowners list serve? What happened to printing issues? Any type of "political correctness" is discrimination to someone. You teach evolution, but don't teach Intelligent Design (or worse, say that it isn't factual), you've just dismissed the beliefs of more than half of your students. Why not present both sides and let the students decide for themselves. Sure there are fanatics on both sides who try to push their particular beliefs, but isn't teaching creationism only just as wrong as teaching Intelligent Design only? If you give government purchasing prejudice to any racial or ethnic group (SWAM), then you're diminishing the purchasing option of choosing those who are "white male" (as an example). Yes, I am a woman small business owner, but I have chosen to not register as such because I think it is wrong to force government entities to purchase based on those criteria, rather than on which company best fits the need of the purchaser. The same is true for educational grants, etc. As for "pro-life," there are many of us who prefer the term "pro-choice." I am a Christian, and I personally would not have an abortion. But that doesn't mean that everyone should not have the personal choice to make that decision based on their own beliefs. Do I think that those who are "wrong" will have to face the consequences later? Yes, but I think only God is the One who knows what that "wrong" might be. Who knows, I might be "wrong." I am very ignorant when it comes to politics, etc., but I thought the whole idea of a democracy was so that there could be two (or many more) differing opinions, both which are possible (I started to say valid, but that would be incorrect), and that the people of this country had the choice (and the right) to believe as they choose. Do I discriminate? Not if I can possibly help it. I think that everone is entitled to the beliefs and choices they make. But I also know that I am going to be held accountable for my choices (both here on earth and later in Heaven), so I think very carefully before I make those choices. Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, VA 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Vogel" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 37, Issue 36 > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Joe Dye wrote: >> >> It takes more faith to believe that something other than the intelligent >> creator made us. > > > Horsefeathers! (to be polite) > > I respect your right to believe that, if not the belief itself, nor > the thought process (or lack thereof) behind it. 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Dana Wilson LandMark Impressions 35 Industrial Parkway Woburn, MA 01801 www.landmarkimpressions.com Phone: 781-569-0297 Fax: 781-569-0419 Cell: 781-710-7609 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 2:58 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] CODE 128 Barcode ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have a customer who requires something similar. What I did was went out and bought this inexpensive program called Label Factory Deluxe(nova development) at my local OfficeMax. I think I paid about $25-$30 for it. It will handle code 128, plus almost any other type of barcode you want to print. It also has templates for some of the more common Avery labels. You can check out the program here: www.novadevelopment.com/products/us/lds/default.aspx Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of dana > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:33 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] CODE 128 Barcode > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > A customer is requiring on all pallets and individual boxes that are > shipped > to them have a scan able part number be on the box or pallet using CODE > 128 > for barcodes. > > I have looked into it and know: > 1. You can get the software for $199.00 to produce this bar code. > www.code128barcodes.com > > 2. The label can be created using this bar code in many applications. > > 3. I do realize that a bar code is just a font > > I am looking to hear form anybody who is using this bar code for > labeling on > the boxes to hear what to watch out for, any tricks that would be > helpful, > and any general knowledge that you could share. > > Thank you > > Dana Wilson > > LandMark Impressions > 35 Industrial Parkway > Woburn, MA 01801 > > www.landmarkimpressions.com > > Phone: 781-569-0297 > Fax: 781-569-0419 > Cell: 781-710-7609 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bob at bergey.net Sat Sep 6 19:10:56 2008 From: bob at bergey.net (Bob Bergey) Date: Sat Sep 6 19:11:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Political Correctness In-Reply-To: <006301c91060$584b3b40$8302a8c0@Robbin> References: <20080906174556.D10E1106BD8D@rb.enter.net><7C86ECF8-64DB-48FB-AAF2-D01C869BA6EA@trinitypress.com> <98f5b19a0809061259o2244203eob3373fe5559ee0be@mail.gmail.com> <006301c91060$584b3b40$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: <9224D9F1-755C-41BA-9588-9D3B6983A8D9@bergey.net> Good question .... but we've traditionally relaxed the rules on Fridays and weekends. It's back to printing issues on Monday! Bob ====================================================================== Bob Bergey -- 215-527-1048 -- Perkasie, PA Internet Services for the Printing Industry Web Hosting & E-Mail Services: BERGEY.NET ====================================================================== On Sep 6, 2008, at 4:37 PM, Susan Compton wrote: > First off, whatever happened to the printowners list serve? What > happened to printing issues? From QKCONSULT at aol.com Sat Sep 6 19:48:35 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Sat Sep 6 19:48:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] (OFF) Palin and The Anne Kilkenny Letter Message-ID: The "Anne Kilkenney" Letter is said by many to provide some of the best, most rational analyses of Sarah Palin's political career as anyone has provided. In fact, she is a primary source for many of the stories that have come out of Alaska these past few days. It is written by someone who claims she knows Palin's political history more than most having attended more city council meetings before and after Palin became mayor of Wasilla. Warning - This isn't some short little article and it isn't an easy read, in fact it is fairly detailed, but then digging for the facts never is meant to be easy. If you really want to get a fairly decent, unbiased picture of Palin, who she is, what she has done and how she seems to operate, for better or worse, then go to the following: _http://www.andrys.com/palin-kilkenny.html_ (http://www.andrys.com/palin-kilkenny.html) John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From bob at bergey.net Sat Sep 6 22:44:20 2008 From: bob at bergey.net (Bob Bergey) Date: Sat Sep 6 22:44:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] (OFF) Palin and The Anne Kilkenny Letter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19BE0E72-995F-40D6-BF17-D28B0B95411C@bergey.net> Hardly an unbiased letter, John -- she even admits in it that Palin hates her, and almost certainly the feelings are mutual! As a two term member on my local Borough Council, very similar in size and responsibility to Wasilla's, I can tell you that from my experience the only people who attend every meeting are the ones with bones to pick, people who feel they have been wronged by local government and have become self-appointed watchdogs. Unbiased would NOT be a good word to describe them, or Anne Kilkenney! Bob ====================================================================== Bob Bergey -- 215-527-1048 -- Perkasie, PA Internet Services for the Printing Industry Web Hosting & E-Mail Services: BERGEY.NET ====================================================================== On Sep 6, 2008, at 7:48 PM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > If you really want to get a fairly decent, unbiased picture of > Palin, who > she is, what she has done and how she seems to operate, for better > or worse, > then go to the following: _http://www.andrys.com/palin-kilkenny.html_ > (http://www.andrys.com/palin-kilkenny.html) From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Sun Sep 7 00:19:44 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Sun Sep 7 00:19:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Dear M. Vogel Message-ID: You and I could have a very good debate in person, but online it's like shooting 'bullet points'. I'll address only one comment you made: I have been in the preemie room at UMC here in Tucson several times, and the preemies are about a pound in weigh. They survive more and more as technology and science make progress. Oh, and those same one pound humans are also aborted at this exact stage in their lives, too. Google Images: preemies and take a look. That is exactly what goes into the dumpster.....or into a crib. So, which is it, pro life or pro death. I think when you see it as I have in person, the perspective makes you think a bit more about the casual way folks kill what UMC allows to live and become a human being just like you and I. It's not just UMC, but that has been my own first hand experience. Finally, throughout history, human beings are frightened. The unknown becomes immediately a negative. Take a look at the early maps. There are dragons in the uncharted territories....that's because, "beyond these areas, there be dragons" was the reason. Best in hunting for the truth to all........ LT "Michael Vogel" > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Book Ban Palin-Just the facts To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > I am not "out to get this woman." Like a lot of people, I've been doing a lot of reading this past week to learn what facts I can about her, to arrive at an informed appraisal. .........I have tried to give her the benefit of the doubt. That said, there are some things about her that I find personally disturbing. For one, I'd like to see the whole pro-life issue taken off the political table. I hate even the bias that resonates in the term "pro-life," as if those who did not subscribe were "pro-death." I believe in the republican value of individual choice, individual liberty. ............... Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Sun Sep 7 01:04:58 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Sun Sep 7 01:05:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] (OFF) Palin and The Anne Kilkenny Letter Message-ID: In a message dated 9/6/2008 10:46:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bob@bergey.net writes: Hardly an unbiased letter, John -- she even admits in it that Palin hates her, and almost certainly the feelings are mutual! Well one is a fact (her claim that Palin hates her allegedly based upon Palin's own comments) and one is a supposition (Your supposition that it must be mutual). But regardless, assuming you read the lengthy letter, what facts would you contest and how what would you cite to refute them - I am curious. I thought her summaries of the pros and cons for Palin sounded pretty reasonable, and did not sound that biased. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Sun Sep 7 01:06:17 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Sun Sep 7 01:06:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mr. Scott C Message-ID: Cappel Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 1:44 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Off - Palin - creationism ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** This sounds really wonderful, but it's just not the factual or conclusive. I'll be brief: The reason you say it's not taught in schools is your view. You don't have to admit it, I'm just pointing it out. You have simply explained 'scientific process' 101. And that sounds pretty cool to the uninformed. Apparently. Scientists and scholars have faked as much data over the past centuries as ministers have skewered the Christian bible. And that leaves us to sort through the droppings. Creation/Darwin will never fit neatly into a nice intellectual or believer's box for all to agree upon. One thing I can say for certain, Christianity was never intended to be a religion, it just got messed up by mankind. So many insane things have been done to others in the name of religion and Christianity it's a wonder it has survived at all. Email offline for more if that is confusing to you. This needs to move elsewhere. But I'll gladly go toe to toe w/anyone on the side of creationism anytime in the spirit of education. Best, Larry A couple of things to think about. Evolution is a theory supported by a lot of physical evidence. That it is a theory, also means it is not a fact. As we uncover more and more physical evidence over time, the theory becomes more and more supportable. When enough evidence is uncovered that a theory becomes irrefutable, it becomes a fact. Evolution at this point in our history and understanding is still a theory. Intelligent design is a Hypothesis. A Hypothesis is a theory without any physical evidence. When physical evidence is discovered, a hypothesis (which is basically an idea) graduates to become a theory. One of the best explanations of why schools won't teach Intelligent Design is that there is no evidence of its existence. There is only faith in the hypothesis. I believe that a lot of people get caught up in the church vs. state thing, but a teacher who is tasked with teaching science, would find it difficult to teach a hypothesis without some sort of physical evidence to give credibility to its existence. Therefore Intelligent design does not belong in a classroom teaching science. If more people would stop and thing about this, perhaps there would be a little less passion and a little more understanding of the problem. S. Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From acepm2 at gmail.com Sun Sep 7 09:26:32 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Sun Sep 7 09:26:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] (OFF) Palin and The Anne Kilkenny Letter In-Reply-To: <19BE0E72-995F-40D6-BF17-D28B0B95411C@bergey.net> References: <19BE0E72-995F-40D6-BF17-D28B0B95411C@bergey.net> Message-ID: Bob, That is one interesting summary of the citizens of your local Borough Council. I'm sure they would be proud to hear this from a "two term" member. Perhaps it is time to step aside and let someone else finish this term for you? It is comments like these, from the folks on the dais such as you, that keep people like ME coming to each meeting. I go to these meetings because the folks that are USUALLY up on the dais are ones that profess to have all the knowledge in the world on how to run a government and tell me what is good for my family and I. Many times I find the ones in charge have not a clue as to how to interpret a simple set of financials let alone be responsible for a few million dollar budget or following a simple Town Charter. For you to say that *"**I can tell you that from my experience the only people who attend every meeting are the ones with bones to pick, people who feel they have been wronged by local government and have become self-appointed watchdogs"* only supports the my fact that you are indeed INEXPERIENCED and being in charge has gone to your head! How can you actually say this Bob? I've been going to Town meetings for four years (I have lived in my Town for three!). How can I learn about something if I do not apply myself? Are we as citizens to blindly accept the fact that since you, and others, sit up on the dais, you are all of a sudden all knowing? I'm sure the serfs that serve you would love to read this comment! What keeps me coming back twice a month to our Town meetings is that fact that I have invested millions in my Town and my family resides here. I am not interested in "leaders" that make insensitive comments such as the one you posted here Bob. But I always remember something I heard from the Blue Collar Comedy Tour ?. *You can't fix stupid.* Bob, perhaps you forgot that you were "elected" ?. not "anointed!" Big difference. You should stick to driving your bus and working on that free apple server that you have been for the past several years. Thanks for steaming my wiener on a Sunday morning! Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com PS.... just for the record I will vote for Palin. I've read the letter several times before it was posted here. You have to take the letter in the context in which it was written. On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Bob Bergey wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hardly an unbiased letter, John -- she even admits in it that Palin hates > her, and almost certainly the feelings are mutual! As a two term member on > my local Borough Council, very similar in size and responsibility to > Wasilla's, I can tell you that from my experience the only people who attend > every meeting are the ones with bones to pick, people who feel they have > been wronged by local government and have become self-appointed watchdogs. > Unbiased would NOT be a good word to describe them, or Anne Kilkenney! > > Bob > > ====================================================================== > Bob Bergey -- 215-527-1048 -- Perkasie, PA > Internet Services for the Printing Industry > Web Hosting & E-Mail Services: BERGEY.NET < > http://www.bergey.net/> > ====================================================================== > > > -- > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > Berlin, Maryland 21811 > www.acepm.com > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Sun Sep 7 10:43:36 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Sun Sep 7 10:43:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] (OFF) Palin and The Anne Kilkenny Letter In-Reply-To: References: <19BE0E72-995F-40D6-BF17-D28B0B95411C@bergey.net> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0809070743m4c871902g66c50aeced66f1f8@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Thom Gulyas wrote: > > PS.... I've read the letter > several times before it was posted here. You have to take the letter in the > context in which it was written. Which was? If Kilkenny has a negative "bias" toward Palin, she outlines the reasons for it. And she certainly makes a concerted effort to be as "transparent" as possible about it. What's the context which renders her views so easily dismissable? Familiarity? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Sun Sep 7 10:44:00 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Sun Sep 7 10:44:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Political Correctness In-Reply-To: <20080906204701.1959F106C40D@rb.enter.net> References: <20080906204701.1959F106C40D@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <0512B002-9A71-495D-9CE2-B386C409413C@sheergraphics.com> > First off, whatever happened to the printowners list serve? What > happened to printing issues? The chairman, editor or master of cermonies is wheeling around elsewhere! Meanwhile, those of us that receive the digest version, have to suffer the tedious task of deleting the irrelevant 'OFF' posts. Too many non-printing related posts, despite their being labelled 'OFF', will deter discussion of subjects that are of common interest, and ultimately destroy the value of this FREE list. This post also has NOTHING to do with owning a printing business, only about the reason for subscribing to any list. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From acepm2 at gmail.com Sun Sep 7 10:56:00 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Sun Sep 7 10:56:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] (OFF) Palin and The Anne Kilkenny Letter In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0809070743m4c871902g66c50aeced66f1f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <19BE0E72-995F-40D6-BF17-D28B0B95411C@bergey.net> <98f5b19a0809070743m4c871902g66c50aeced66f1f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It is more philosophical than an exact statement. It is "whatever" you read into it. ......you decide for yourself. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Thom Gulyas wrote: > > > > PS.... I've read the letter > > several times before it was posted here. You have to take the letter in > the > > context in which it was written. > > > > Which was? > > If Kilkenny has a negative "bias" toward Palin, she outlines the reasons > for it. > And she certainly makes a concerted effort to be as "transparent" as > possible about it. > What's the context which renders her views so easily dismissable? > Familiarity? > > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Sir Francis Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Sun Sep 7 13:22:54 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Sun Sep 7 13:23:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] John's article of 'facts' Message-ID: Facts???? The entire piece was the observations of a person who continually interjected her agenda, and Palin's opposite choices. A point/counter point written by the same person is not an objective view to say the least. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ But regardless, assuming you read the lengthy letter, what facts would you contest and how what would you cite to refute them - I am curious. I thought her summaries of the pros and cons for Palin sounded pretty reasonable, and did not sound that biased. John Stewart The Quick Consultant Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From keli at parchmentpress.net Sun Sep 7 13:34:25 2008 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Sun Sep 7 13:34:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] (ON) Printing Topic Message-ID: <48C410A1.5080205@parchmentpress.net> Hello, Does anyone have a Enfocus Pitstop Action that would make my color pages CMYK and my b/w pages greyscale? Problem is the pdf was made in WORD and has ICC profiles! thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Sun Sep 7 13:50:22 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Sun Sep 7 13:50:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] John's article of 'facts' Message-ID: In a message dated 9/7/2008 1:23:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eatnsleepgolf@msn.com writes: Facts???? The entire piece was the observations of a person who continually interjected her agenda, and Palin's opposite choices. A point/counter point written by the same person is not an objective view to say the least. Larry, Larry.... Ok, let's not play wordsmith... the whole point of my response to Bob was what "facts" would he contest. Ok, let's change the word... maybe I used the wrong word... God I am so sorry. So let me rephrase it so even the math genius you claim to be can understand what I was attempting to ask... What specific observations or conclusions of Kilkenny's letter would you dispute. I still think she explained the situation pretty well. As for, "A point/counter point written by the same person is not an objective view to say the least" I disagree. A point/counterpoint approach is no different than preparing a T-Chart to analyze a problem in an effort arrive at solutions. I believe it is possible and reasonable for one person to succeed at writing a point/counterpoint article. Is it always successful? Of course not, but it is possible. Well, back to the pool with my Grolsch! John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Sun Sep 7 13:51:43 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Sun Sep 7 13:52:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] You can't fix stupid Message-ID: And for providing a place for Thom's voice to be heard, not that it's any different than mine or any list members voice. We all have our opinions, none are right or wrong, they are just somewhere in between. Personal attacks serve to show.....*You can't fix stupid.* Thom, you are in it in your community for your best interest, as am I in mine. What's the problem there? I am not saying you are stupid. Nor anyone on the list. LT ____________________________________________________________________ Bob, perhaps you forgot that you were "elected" .. not "anointed!" Big difference. You should stick to driving your bus and working on that free apple server that you have been for the past several years. Thanks for steaming my wiener on a Sunday morning! Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Sun Sep 7 14:01:35 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Sun Sep 7 14:01:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] only pair of unbiased glasses Message-ID: Thom Guylas says: > PS.... I've read the letter > several times before it was posted here. You have to take the letter in the > context in which it was written. Michael Vogel says: Which was? If Kilkenny has a negative "bias" toward Palin, she outlines the reasons for it. And she certainly makes a concerted effort to be as "transparent" as possible about it. What's the context which renders her views so easily dismissable? Familiarity? ______________________________________________________________________ Michael, the context is this: Anne Kilkenny begins her letter: "So many people have asked me about what I know about Sarah Palin in the last 2 days that I decided to write something up . . ." The entire letter is apparantly Anne's observations, and unless she has the one and only pair of unbiased glasses in the world, it needs to be taken in that context. Ask 5 people on this list about Michael Vogel, or Larry Taylor, get 5 different replies, all of which are truthful only to the persons making the reply. Make sense now? Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Sun Sep 7 15:20:11 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Sun Sep 7 15:20:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] only pair of unbiased glasses Message-ID: In a message dated 9/7/2008 2:03:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eatnsleepgolf@msn.com writes: Ask 5 people on this list about Michael Vogel, or Larry Taylor, get 5 different replies, all of which are truthful only to the persons making the reply. Make sense now? Not really! Your analogy is really quite poor. It's is highly unlikely that any of the five list members you would ask have ever met with or directly observed or had any dealings with either you or Mike. On the other hand, people asked Kilkenny her opinions because she had directly observed, listened to and dealt with Palin for quite a long time, That is far different than the scenario you outlined. I am now sunburned and taking another Grolsch out to the pool. If my dermatologist knew I was out without sunscreen he would kill me! John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Sun Sep 7 16:42:54 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Sun Sep 7 16:43:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] only pair of unbiased glasses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0809071342p6b78a2ael8dc14da886e24c66@mail.gmail.com> In a message dated 9/7/2008 2:03:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eatnsleepgolf@msn.com writes: > Ask 5 people on this list about Michael Vogel, or Larry Taylor, get 5 > different replies, all of which are truthful only to the persons making the reply. and On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 3:20 PM, wrote: > > It's is highly unlikely that any of the five list members you would ask have > ever met with or directly observed or had any dealings with either you or > Mike. Likewise, any five who had directly observed, listened to and dealt with either of us over a period of time (as Kilkenny did Palin), although they might have singled out different different specifics, would be unlikely to offer materially different observations about our respective characters. I find it hard to argue with the qualifications of Anne Kilkenny to offer the assessments she made, and I think her letter effectively presents another side to some of the "facts" about her that the Republican machine has spun in an entirely different (and more favorable) light. This isn't about preconceived notions for or against Palin, but about ferreting out a balanced view of who she is and what she's about. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Sun Sep 7 18:08:05 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Sun Sep 7 18:06:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] John...here's your answer; you are welcome Message-ID: John wrote: What specific observations or conclusions of Kilkenny's letter would you dispute. I still think she explained the situation pretty well. _________________________________________________________________________________________________________ OK, here's one from memory of the article: Palin took the excess oil money and gave it to the citizens of the state. Kilkenny's view was there was a better use of the money. No one else's view, just Kelkeny's as written in the article. There are too many, it's a memoir not an investigative piece of work. She explained it well according to her point of view. Let's here some more points from people who know her, and we can connect some dots and get a picture of who this person is. Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Sun Sep 7 18:10:37 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Sun Sep 7 18:10:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Another's view about Gov. Palin from Alaska In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0809071342p6b78a2ael8dc14da886e24c66@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0809071342p6b78a2ael8dc14da886e24c66@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005101c91136$8eeca770$6401a8c0@coranew> Here is an article about the Gov. that a friend just sent me....Cora ____________________________________________________________________ One of our good friends, Eddie Spalten from San Antonio, fishes at the Wildman Lodge on the Alaskan Peninsula. The lodge is owned by Butch and Kathy Wildman. The Wildmans spend their winters in Texas and their summers in Alaska. Kathy's father and former husband served in the Alaskan legislature for around 30 years so Butch and Kathy know Alaska politics. Eddie emailed Butch and asks Butch what the Wildmans think of Gov. Sarah Palin. Butch's unedited email is attached below. Please read it and forward it to your friends. This is what the citizens of Alaska think of Sarah Palin! Hi Eddie: Fishing is good here at Wildman and I rarely have time for politics, but many of our friends are asking us "Who is Sarah Palin?" Of course, as Alaskans, Kathy and I are extremely proud of her. We just want to let you know that Sarah "Barracuda" Palin is a straight shooting, hard charging, get it done gal. She knows when to listen, how to analyze the facts and how to make a decision, then implement the plan. She doesn't do a poll before jumping in with both feet like too many of the Washington types. She has little legislative experience because she has always held the EXECUTIVE position; in private life, as mayor of Anchorage's largest bedroom community or more recently as Governor of our State. She is a smart, attractive home grown Alaska girl with excellent moral and family values. She can see what needs to be done and does not hesitate to get it done. One of our State's major problems is that its Capital is in Juneau, 500 miles from the nearest road and 800 air miles from the population base which is Anchorage, Wasilla and Fairbanks. Our legislature and most of the State government is in Juneau and they ALL behave like a bunch of freshmen in a college town. It has been this way since Statehood in 1959. When Sarah moved to Juneau, so did accountability and responsibility When the oil revenue started flown and a barrel of North Slope Crude hit $23.00, these people began spending money like drunken sailors. You can only imagine what was happenings when oil hit $100.00 a barrel, about the time Sarah took command. My wife Kathy has first-hand experience with this fiasco, as her father and also her ex-husband were Alaska Legislators who served in Juneau as Senators, Senate President, or members of the State House for a combined period spanning nearly three decades. About the time Sarah took the HELM as Governor of Alaska, about half of the State legislature was in the pocket of big oil companies or contractors doing big projects for Native Corporations around Alaska, all funded by State oil revenue. Alaska government was nothing but a good old boys club riding the perpetual wave of prosperity. This filtered down from the legislature, through the Department of Natural Resources, Department of Labor and even spilled in to the Public Safety who are supposed to "preserve and protect". When Sarah walked into the Governor's Mansion, she promptly dismissed the State Trooper detachment assigned to Governor and had her and her husband's gun case brought in from Wasilla. Then, she got rid of the former Governor's STATE Jet and told legislators that there were no more free rides, they would have to fly Alaska Airlines, just like her and her family if they wanted to travel. Next came the nut cutting (the Barracuda part) the heads that rolled were too numerous to name, but when Sarah finished cleaning house, a number of our legislators ended up in jail for on corruption charges, or tendered their resignations along with numerous department heads and those who have been riding the gravy train for way too long, AND THEN SHE HAD LUNCH. By the end of the day, Sarah Palin had saved the people of Alaska millions and has not yet slowed down. She has truly brought CHANGE to Juneau. I personally know several persons in the private sector in Alaska, that hold her in high esteem. She surrounds herself with smart people, many from my hometown of Anchorage, she listens to them but makes her own decisions. Sarah Palin is a no B.S. politician. It is refreshing that there is such a thing anymore. You want to talk about CHANGE? You should see a before and after picture of the State government in Alaska. That's CHANGE! Sarah will bring a number of things to the election. I am sure she will appeal many voters who my otherwise could have gone the other direction on election day. The conservative block will not be for Barack. We have their vote. We need what Sarah will bring, first to the election and second, what she will bring to Washington D.C. McCain has been advised well, Let's just hope the American people can get the straight scoop on her in the weeks ahead. This is just the opinion of one Alaska Bush Pilot and Guide, who pays attention to national politics, watches the news and is deathly afraid of the direction our nation is headed. I guarantee that if Sarah gets a chance to dig her spurs into the flanks of the liberal Washington types, they will know that she is in the saddle. Butch King Pilot/Guide Butch & Kathy King Proprietors Wildman Lake Lodge www.wildmanlodge.com Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From quickerprinter at yahoo.com Sun Sep 7 21:08:41 2008 From: quickerprinter at yahoo.com (quicker printer) Date: Sun Sep 7 21:08:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] (OFF) Palin and The Anne Kilkenny Letter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <350185.48367.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Snopes is usually considered to be fairly balanced, they have an excellent article regarding this letter and some balance at: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/sarahpalin.asp --- On Sat, 9/6/08, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: From: QKCONSULT@aol.com Subject: [PrintOwners] (OFF) Palin and The Anne Kilkenny Letter To: printowners@printweb.org Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 7:48 PM ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The "Anne Kilkenney" Letter is said by many to provide some of the best, most rational analyses of Sarah Palin's political career as anyone has provided. In fact, she is a primary source for many of the stories that have come out of Alaska these past few days. It is written by someone who claims she knows Palin's political history more than most having attended more city council meetings before and after Palin became mayor of Wasilla. Warning - This isn't some short little article and it isn't an easy read, in fact it is fairly detailed, but then digging for the facts never is meant to be easy. If you really want to get a fairly decent, unbiased picture of Palin, who she is, what she has done and how she seems to operate, for better or worse, then go to the following: _http://www.andrys.com/palin-kilkenny.html_ (http://www.andrys.com/palin-kilkenny.html) John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From quickerprinter at yahoo.com Sun Sep 7 22:57:35 2008 From: quickerprinter at yahoo.com (quicker printer) Date: Sun Sep 7 22:57:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Off -Interesting roundup of Sara Palin Rumors In-Reply-To: <350185.48367.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <679457.62405.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> This is a link to a roundup of Sarah Palin rumors.? The list keeps growing. http://explorations.chasrmartin.com/2008/09/06/palin-rumors/ Bob LaVarnway QP Printing and Mailing Elmira, NY 607-734-8955 From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 7 23:13:56 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Sun Sep 7 23:14:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] only pair of unbiased glasses In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0809071342p6b78a2ael8dc14da886e24c66@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0809071342p6b78a2ael8dc14da886e24c66@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9988D1D5-8803-4F42-ABC5-74240D476926@bellsouth.net> Michael wrote: "Likewise, any five who had directly observed, listened to and dealt with either of us over a period of time (as Kilkenny did Palin), although they might have singled out different different specifics, would be unlikely to offer materially different observations about our respective characters." I have to strongly disagree. Having coached youth baseball for years, I have received many letters and emails of praise for how I coached the team, taught the players fundamentals, made sure it was an enjoyable experience for the players, was very fair with playing time, etc., etc. By the tone of some of these letters, I expect to be inducted into the baseball hall of fame! I have also received what could almost be classified as hate mail, disparaging my baseball knowledge, how unfair I was to players, and that I was only interested in making my kid a better player, and other very negative comments. By the tone of some of those, I expected to be lynched. Both types of letters were sent by people who had dealt with me over an extended period of time... For example: I received a great letter from a parent whose son averaged 3 innings a game. She was realistic in her evaluation of his skills, appreciated that I had worked extra with him to increase those skills, and that I managed to always get him in at least 3 innings every game. If she was having a conversation with a friend about baseball, I would receive nothing but rave reviews about my character. Another parent on the same team had a son that averaged 3 innings as well. She was unrealistic in her evaluation of her son's skills and that changed her opinion greatly about her perception of how I coached. According to her, I was only interested in winning, extremely unfair to her son, didn't care at all about the players, yada, yada, yada! If she was having a conversation with a friend about baseball, I would be made out to be the worst coach possible! Depending on your personal experience with someone and the emotional baggage or expectations you bring to the relationship, perceived slights or negative experiences will color your "letter" describing that person's character greatly... I do agree that it is "about ferreting out a balanced view of who she is and what she's about." And yes, the "Republican Machine" wants to spin her in a more favorable light. I am pretty sure the "Democratic Machine" is doing the same thing for their candidates. : ) I read the letter. Thought it was interesting. Gave me another perspective. I'll continue to read and research about her and all of the candidates. And in doing so, I'll keep in mind that the writer of anything I read, hear or watch, most likely has bias towards or against the candidate they are writing about, regardless of how hard they try to not show it... On an off note, someone mentioned they were tired of these emails, and by receiving the digest version it was very tiresome. I tried the digest version for a day or two and hated it. The regular system lets me skip this subject or any other I am not interested in quickly and easily... So I don't mind at all the thread on politics. It actually gives me a place to get other opinions and facts that are different from my own... Who knows, I may change my views on some things. I may even help change someone else's mind! Or at least give them food for thought... Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Sep 7, 2008, at 4:42 PM, Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > In a message dated 9/7/2008 2:03:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > eatnsleepgolf@msn.com writes: > >> Ask 5 people on this list about Michael Vogel, or Larry Taylor, >> get 5 >> different replies, all of which are truthful only to the persons >> making the reply. > > and On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 3:20 PM, wrote: >> >> It's is highly unlikely that any of the five list members you >> would ask have >> ever met with or directly observed or had any dealings with either >> you or >> Mike. > > > Likewise, any five who had directly observed, listened to and dealt > with either of us over a period of time (as Kilkenny did Palin), > although they might have singled out different different specifics, > would be unlikely to offer materially different observations about our > respective characters. > > I find it hard to argue with the qualifications of Anne Kilkenny to > offer the assessments she made, and I think her letter effectively > presents another side to some of the "facts" about her that the > Republican machine has spun in an entirely different (and more > favorable) light. This isn't about preconceived notions for or against > Palin, but about ferreting out a balanced view of who she is and what > she's about. > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Sir Francis Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From kellycrom at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 01:06:30 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom) Date: Mon Sep 8 01:06:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] (OFF) Political posts Message-ID: <3168e95d0809072206v7325e99fpf7557eaf02e868d3@mail.gmail.com> First of all, I normally don't make or reply to many(if any) of the OFF posts on PrintOwners, but I did on a couple this weekend. I offer that a political natured post on this forum, especially when dealing with a Presidential election, wouldn't necessarily even need to be an "OFF" post. This list is meant to be a forum where we can discuss topics which directly relate to our businesses. I think that it's obvious that whomever we decide to vote into the office of President can and most probably will effect the future of any business(especially small businesses). As business owners, who we decide to vote for in any election(local or national) can have a direct effect on how much income we will be able to keep, and how much we will pay to our local and national governments. So for anyone to say that here is not the place to conduct these discussions, I say look at them as you would any topic. If you own an all digital shop, most likely you will delete, ingore, or save for future reference, a post that requests information on repairing a Ryobi 3302. So if the OFF posts bother you, just do the same as you would any topic that doesn't interest or relate to you. Sincerely, Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! From keli at parchmentpress.net Mon Sep 8 08:51:54 2008 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Mon Sep 8 08:51:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Question on the FS-607 booklet finisher for 6500 Message-ID: <48C51FEA.4080402@parchmentpress.net> Does anyone on the list have the booklet finisher FS-607 for their 6500 or 5500 (or that family of machines) ? I am just wondering of if it offsets each job (if wanted)... I really like the capabilities of the bigger saddle stitch unit BUT it only has a straight delivery of 200 sheets and no offsetting for the other jobs... So this would not save me time.. thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Parchment Press is a cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes. To learn more about our community please go here... http://www.twelvetribes.com From hal at pickimp.com Mon Sep 8 08:56:32 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Mon Sep 8 08:54:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] (OFF) Palin and The Anne Kilkenny Letter References: Message-ID: <008301c911b2$571032a0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Are you serious John, or just buzzing people????? Hal From cpc at clearnet.net Mon Sep 8 09:02:36 2008 From: cpc at clearnet.net (Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc.) Date: Mon Sep 8 09:02:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Question on the FS-607 booklet finisher for 6500 In-Reply-To: <48C51FEA.4080402@parchmentpress.net> References: <48C51FEA.4080402@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <48C5226C.6080605@clearnet.net> Keli, We have the FS-607 / C6500 combination. It will offset stack collated sets into the receding tray. Is that what you are asking? Randy Hurley Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 17 South Third Street P.O. Box 23 Clearfield, PA 16830 814-765-4731 Fax: 814-765-1380 cpc@clearnet.net Keli of Coxsackie wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone on the list have the booklet finisher FS-607 for their > 6500 or 5500 (or that family of machines) ? > > I am just wondering of if it offsets each job (if wanted)... > > I really like the capabilities of the bigger saddle stitch unit BUT it > only has a straight delivery of 200 sheets and no offsetting for the > other jobs... So this would not save me time.. > > thanks, > Michael Markuson (aka Keli) > Parchment Press > 52 S River St > Coxsackie, NY 12051 From keli at parchmentpress.net Mon Sep 8 09:18:39 2008 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Mon Sep 8 09:18:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Question on the FS-607 booklet finisher for 6500 In-Reply-To: <48C5226C.6080605@clearnet.net> References: <48C51FEA.4080402@parchmentpress.net> <48C5226C.6080605@clearnet.net> Message-ID: <48C5262F.1030209@parchmentpress.net> YES.. that is the tray that moves down? Holds about 2000 sheets? Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Keli, > > We have the FS-607 / C6500 combination. It will offset stack collated > sets into the receding tray. Is that what you are asking? > > Randy Hurley > Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. > 17 South Third Street > P.O. Box 23 > Clearfield, PA 16830 > 814-765-4731 > Fax: 814-765-1380 > cpc@clearnet.net > > > > Keli of Coxsackie wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Does anyone on the list have the booklet finisher FS-607 for their >> 6500 or 5500 (or that family of machines) ? >> >> I am just wondering of if it offsets each job (if wanted)... >> >> I really like the capabilities of the bigger saddle stitch unit BUT >> it only has a straight delivery of 200 sheets and no offsetting for >> the other jobs... So this would not save me time.. >> >> thanks, >> Michael Markuson (aka Keli) >> Parchment Press >> 52 S River St >> Coxsackie, NY 12051 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From falconprinting at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 09:34:05 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Mon Sep 8 09:34:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] {OFF} political... In-Reply-To: <48C19A26.16251.3B051E91@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: Abortion is always the focal point of the conversation because it is the most polarizing, but there is much to fear from a one-sided Supreme Court. I wouldn't want it biased to the left or the right. I'm a big fan of balance, and that the next two justices coming off likely to be the most extreme liberals you can expect it to influence a lot of it votes. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Steve Blatman > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:44:22 -0400 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] {OFF} political... > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> But she >> wants to take away my daughters choice if she were to become pregnant. >> > > Are you aware of what would happen, should Roe be overturned by the > Supreme Court? > > The matter of abortion regulation, or lack thereof, would be returned > to the 50 state legislatures, where it belongs. > > Abortion would NOT be outlawed. It would merely be de-Federalized. > > Steve > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cpc at clearnet.net Mon Sep 8 09:44:59 2008 From: cpc at clearnet.net (Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc.) Date: Mon Sep 8 09:45:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Question on the FS-607 booklet finisher for 6500 In-Reply-To: <48C5262F.1030209@parchmentpress.net> References: <48C51FEA.4080402@parchmentpress.net> <48C5226C.6080605@clearnet.net> <48C5262F.1030209@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <48C52C5B.1070905@clearnet.net> Yes Keli, that is the primary tray (the one that moves down). Randy Hurley Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 17 South Third Street P.O. Box 23 Clearfield, PA 16830 814-765-4731 Fax: 814-765-1380 cpc@clearnet.net Keli of Coxsackie wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > YES.. that is the tray that moves down? Holds about 2000 sheets? > > Michael Markuson (aka Keli) > Parchment Press > 52 S River St > Coxsackie, NY 12051 From joe at calagaz.com Mon Sep 8 10:03:05 2008 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Mon Sep 8 10:03:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] (ON) Printing Topic Message-ID: I thought one of the default actions is convert color to CMYK. Also I think word is actually doing an RGB black and that is your issue. I have used the Global Change to select the RGB black (or the one with the profile) and change it to 100% K I also think they have one to remove all of the profiles..... Let me know if you do not have the actions and I will send them to you ....also they do have a lot of actions on their web site, and I think there is a user out there that runs a web site for action sharing (google pitstop actions) Sorry I don't do tiny urls..... (http://www.actionlistexchange.net/searchform.php?ss0=&do=Search&_ds=1&b n=0&sf0=description%2Cauthor%2Cauthor_info&so0=contains&so1=contains) Good luck... Joe Calagaz Calagaz Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Keli of Coxsackie Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 12:34 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] (ON) Printing Topic ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hello, Does anyone have a Enfocus Pitstop Action that would make my color pages CMYK and my b/w pages greyscale? Problem is the pdf was made in WORD and has ICC profiles! thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Mon Sep 8 10:08:28 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Mon Sep 8 10:08:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] The biggest loser In-Reply-To: <200809052210.m85MApw7003097@i2bnetworks.com> References: <675676.60566.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200809052210.m85MApw7003097@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <48C531DC.3010909@sugarloafprint.com> Scott Cappel wrote: > Journalisim as an objective discipline is dead (it maybe never was > that objective until the we had the Internet as a contrast to show its > bias) ?If you don?t read the newspapers you are uninformed; if you do read the newspapers you are misinformed.? -Mark Twain -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From SueAnn at professional-printers.com Mon Sep 8 10:38:28 2008 From: SueAnn at professional-printers.com (SueAnn@professional-printers.com) Date: Mon Sep 8 10:38:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 37, Issue 40 In-Reply-To: <20080907204303.0A9FA106ED77@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: I would appreciate it if this list were kept to printing matters and not political statements. If this is to continue, please remove me from this listing. SueAnn Schroer Carolina Professional Printers 604-2 Seaboard Street Myrtle Beach, SC 29577 843-626-6611 fax 843-626-6613 SueAnn@professional-printers.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of printowners-request@printweb.org Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 4:43 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 37, Issue 40 Send PrintOwners mailing list submissions to printowners@printweb.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to printowners-request@printweb.org You can reach the person managing the list at printowners-owner@printweb.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of PrintOwners digest..." ***** This is a PrintOwners List Digest ***** Today's Topics: 1. Political Correctness (Simon Sheers) 2. Re: (OFF) Palin and The Anne Kilkenny Letter (Thom Gulyas) 3. John's article of 'facts' (larry) 4. (ON) Printing Topic (Keli of Coxsackie) 5. Re: John's article of 'facts' (QKCONSULT@aol.com) 6. You can't fix stupid (larry) 7. only pair of unbiased glasses (larry) 8. Re: only pair of unbiased glasses (QKCONSULT@aol.com) 9. Re: only pair of unbiased glasses (Michael Vogel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 09:44:00 -0500 From: Simon Sheers Subject: [PrintOwners] Political Correctness To: printowners@printweb.org Message-ID: <0512B002-9A71-495D-9CE2-B386C409413C@sheergraphics.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > First off, whatever happened to the printowners list serve? What > happened to printing issues? The chairman, editor or master of cermonies is wheeling around elsewhere! Meanwhile, those of us that receive the digest version, have to suffer the tedious task of deleting the irrelevant 'OFF' posts. Too many non-printing related posts, despite their being labelled 'OFF', will deter discussion of subjects that are of common interest, and ultimately destroy the value of this FREE list. This post also has NOTHING to do with owning a printing business, only about the reason for subscribing to any list. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 10:56:00 -0400 From: "Thom Gulyas" Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] (OFF) Palin and The Anne Kilkenny Letter To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It is more philosophical than an exact statement. It is "whatever" you read into it. ......you decide for yourself. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Thom Gulyas wrote: > > > > PS.... I've read the letter > > several times before it was posted here. You have to take the letter > > in > the > > context in which it was written. > > > > Which was? > > If Kilkenny has a negative "bias" toward Palin, she outlines the > reasons for it. > And she certainly makes a concerted effort to be as "transparent" as > possible about it. > What's the context which renders her views so easily dismissable? > Familiarity? > > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or > condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Sir Francis Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 10:22:54 -0700 From: "larry" Subject: [PrintOwners] John's article of 'facts' To: "Printowners" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Facts???? The entire piece was the observations of a person who continually interjected her agenda, and Palin's opposite choices. A point/counter point written by the same person is not an objective view to say the least. ____________________________________________________________________________ _______________________ But regardless, assuming you read the lengthy letter, what facts would you contest and how what would you cite to refute them - I am curious. I thought her summaries of the pros and cons for Palin sounded pretty reasonable, and did not sound that biased. John Stewart The Quick Consultant Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 13:34:25 -0400 From: Keli of Coxsackie Subject: [PrintOwners] (ON) Printing Topic To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Message-ID: <48C410A1.5080205@parchmentpress.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hello, Does anyone have a Enfocus Pitstop Action that would make my color pages CMYK and my b/w pages greyscale? Problem is the pdf was made in WORD and has ICC profiles! thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 13:50:22 EDT From: QKCONSULT@aol.com Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] John's article of 'facts' To: printowners@printweb.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 9/7/2008 1:23:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eatnsleepgolf@msn.com writes: Facts???? The entire piece was the observations of a person who continually interjected her agenda, and Palin's opposite choices. A point/counter point written by the same person is not an objective view to say the least. Larry, Larry.... Ok, let's not play wordsmith... the whole point of my response to Bob was what "facts" would he contest. Ok, let's change the word... maybe I used the wrong word... God I am so sorry. So let me rephrase it so even the math genius you claim to be can understand what I was attempting to ask... What specific observations or conclusions of Kilkenny's letter would you dispute. I still think she explained the situation pretty well. As for, "A point/counter point written by the same person is not an objective view to say the least" I disagree. A point/counterpoint approach is no different than preparing a T-Chart to analyze a problem in an effort arrive at solutions. I believe it is possible and reasonable for one person to succeed at writing a point/counterpoint article. Is it always successful? Of course not, but it is possible. Well, back to the pool with my Grolsch! John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 10:51:43 -0700 From: "larry" Subject: [PrintOwners] You can't fix stupid To: "Printowners" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" And for providing a place for Thom's voice to be heard, not that it's any different than mine or any list members voice. We all have our opinions, none are right or wrong, they are just somewhere in between. Personal attacks serve to show.....*You can't fix stupid.* Thom, you are in it in your community for your best interest, as am I in mine. What's the problem there? I am not saying you are stupid. Nor anyone on the list. LT ____________________________________________________________________ Bob, perhaps you forgot that you were "elected" .. not "anointed!" Big difference. You should stick to driving your bus and working on that free apple server that you have been for the past several years. Thanks for steaming my wiener on a Sunday morning! Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 11:01:35 -0700 From: "larry" Subject: [PrintOwners] only pair of unbiased glasses To: "Printowners" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thom Guylas says: > PS.... I've read the letter > several times before it was posted here. You have to take the letter in the > context in which it was written. Michael Vogel says: Which was? If Kilkenny has a negative "bias" toward Palin, she outlines the reasons for it. And she certainly makes a concerted effort to be as "transparent" as possible about it. What's the context which renders her views so easily dismissable? Familiarity? ______________________________________________________________________ Michael, the context is this: Anne Kilkenny begins her letter: "So many people have asked me about what I know about Sarah Palin in the last 2 days that I decided to write something up . . ." The entire letter is apparantly Anne's observations, and unless she has the one and only pair of unbiased glasses in the world, it needs to be taken in that context. Ask 5 people on this list about Michael Vogel, or Larry Taylor, get 5 different replies, all of which are truthful only to the persons making the reply. Make sense now? Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 15:20:11 EDT From: QKCONSULT@aol.com Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] only pair of unbiased glasses To: printowners@printweb.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 9/7/2008 2:03:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eatnsleepgolf@msn.com writes: Ask 5 people on this list about Michael Vogel, or Larry Taylor, get 5 different replies, all of which are truthful only to the persons making the reply. Make sense now? Not really! Your analogy is really quite poor. It's is highly unlikely that any of the five list members you would ask have ever met with or directly observed or had any dealings with either you or Mike. On the other hand, people asked Kilkenny her opinions because she had directly observed, listened to and dealt with Palin for quite a long time, That is far different than the scenario you outlined. I am now sunburned and taking another Grolsch out to the pool. If my dermatologist knew I was out without sunscreen he would kill me! John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 16:42:54 -0400 From: "Michael Vogel" Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] only pair of unbiased glasses To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Message-ID: <98f5b19a0809071342p6b78a2ael8dc14da886e24c66@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In a message dated 9/7/2008 2:03:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eatnsleepgolf@msn.com writes: > Ask 5 people on this list about Michael Vogel, or Larry Taylor, get 5 > different replies, all of which are truthful only to the persons making the reply. and On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 3:20 PM, wrote: > > It's is highly unlikely that any of the five list members you would ask have > ever met with or directly observed or had any dealings with either you or > Mike. Likewise, any five who had directly observed, listened to and dealt with either of us over a period of time (as Kilkenny did Palin), although they might have singled out different different specifics, would be unlikely to offer materially different observations about our respective characters. I find it hard to argue with the qualifications of Anne Kilkenny to offer the assessments she made, and I think her letter effectively presents another side to some of the "facts" about her that the Republican machine has spun in an entirely different (and more favorable) light. This isn't about preconceived notions for or against Palin, but about ferreting out a balanced view of who she is and what she's about. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners End of PrintOwners Digest, Vol 37, Issue 40 ******************************************* From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon Sep 8 10:45:02 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon Sep 8 10:45:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 37, Issue 40 Message-ID: In a message dated 9/8/2008 10:41:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, SueAnn@professional-printers.com writes: I would appreciate it if this list were kept to printing matters and not political statements. If this is to continue, please remove me from this listing. I agree with your sentiments to a large degree, but you made the decision to join this list and only you can make the decision to remove yourself. Don't ask others to do it for you. Very clear instructions appear at the bottom of each and every email. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From jdaghir at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 10:53:13 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Mon Sep 8 10:53:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Equipment Questions In-Reply-To: <8A361A96-C41A-4AF6-8E46-E3A89C173CC7@protypeonline.com> References: <8A361A96-C41A-4AF6-8E46-E3A89C173CC7@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620809080753x8d25acpaf2c579abff00990@mail.gmail.com> Probably a silly question but have you checked to see if the wire is actually OFF when the arm is up? Threre should be a switch of some sort that should turn on the wire when the arm is down and shut it off when it's up. If it's staying on all the time this could cause it to burn out frequently. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Robin Niewold wrote: > Also, our X-rite tunnel shrink wrap unit has been giving us fits for most of > 2008! The heat wires keep breaking. We have talked with technicians, > suppliers and had a repair guy here -- tried different wires, I think we > have tried everything, so now I'm asking other users if you might have any > ideas? About 5 mins. ago, the wire was not even being "used" -- the arm was > up and SNAP! wire broke. From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon Sep 8 11:05:39 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Mon Sep 8 11:05:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Question on the FS-607 booklet finisher for 6500 In-Reply-To: <48C51FEA.4080402@parchmentpress.net> References: <48C51FEA.4080402@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <006c01c911c4$5b43ec10$6401a8c0@coranew> Kelly we also have that booklet maker and love it. It really folds straight and perfect. You can tell it to Collate, uncollate or offset in the settings before you send the job. I am getting ready to do a full color newsletter on 80# gloss text, double-sided from Tray 4 and I am going to just fold it and see what happens. Usually it is more than one page so I staple and fold. This is the first time it will be duplexed and folded. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From clc at crownmax.com Mon Sep 8 11:13:52 2008 From: clc at crownmax.com (clc) Date: Mon Sep 8 11:13:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printing Sales Question In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620809080753x8d25acpaf2c579abff00990@mail.gmail.com> References: <8A361A96-C41A-4AF6-8E46-E3A89C173CC7@protypeonline.com> <83d5b9620809080753x8d25acpaf2c579abff00990@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7FA73A51815D4710865F967D63C14C7D@Crown.local> We sell printed products to every state mostly by catalog and have seen a considerable decline in sales over the past several months. No increase in internet sales either. Since we are broad based geographically we have not seen a decline since 1992 as the 2001 recession did not seem to be felt. The print industry experts say we have had a 7% decline from some of my readings and the catalog experts say sales are down by at least 5%. We are at the end of August and down about 6% for the year but we had a 9% price increase in February. What are you seeing in your area? Thank you Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road Dunbar, WV 25064 1-800-252-40111 www.crownmax.com From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon Sep 8 11:20:09 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Mon Sep 8 11:20:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Question on the FS-607 booklet finisher for 6500 In-Reply-To: <48C51FEA.4080402@parchmentpress.net> References: <48C51FEA.4080402@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <008201c911c6$61aaf380$6401a8c0@coranew> Kelly, it printed beautifully, but it told me that it won't fold the 80# gloss even though it will duplex it. I have another folder so we will just use it No problem. I think if we had of todld it to staple, we might have been OK, but with only 1 page.... I run 2 11x17" sheets and staple on my newsletters though. I've been using 20# text though to save them money. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Keli of Coxsackie Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 7:52 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Question on the FS-607 booklet finisher for 6500 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does anyone on the list have the booklet finisher FS-607 for their 6500 or 5500 (or that family of machines) ? I am just wondering of if it offsets each job (if wanted)... I really like the capabilities of the bigger saddle stitch unit BUT it only has a straight delivery of 200 sheets and no offsetting for the other jobs... So this would not save me time.. thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Parchment Press is a cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes. To learn more about our community please go here... http://www.twelvetribes.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3425 (20080908) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Mon Sep 8 11:26:36 2008 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Mon Sep 8 11:27:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Another Survey References: <48C51FEA.4080402@parchmentpress.net> <006c01c911c4$5b43ec10$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: Well, I thought I had another copy of that DARN survey although I filled out (sort of) and mailed it in. I opened it and this is different. This one is called "2007 SURVEY OF BUSINESS OWNERS AND SELF-EMPLOYED PERSONS" and is questions like.... when did you start the business?, where did you get the money? Hispanic? How many hrs. a week do you work...and on and on and on.... I am about surveyed to death. I wonder if they will accept KY Hillbilly as Ethnic origin??? A POed KY Hillbilly at that!!!! Nan Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting From greg at pressexpress.org Mon Sep 8 11:28:36 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon Sep 8 11:28:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Politics and Religion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I too am getting extremely frustrated with the hundreds of posts that is non specific to the list. I am deleting them without reading them and quite frankly, unintentionally, deleting other posts that IS relevant to this list. Yes, I made the decision to join this list, but it was to learn and help others resolve print related issues, not bash politics or religion. This bull crap is consuming much time sifting thru further bull crap so I might be able learn or to offer advice to a fellow printer. I know of other printers that have elected to remove themselves from this list and it is a great loss. These people that removed themselves are professionals trying to better their business, now,we are being left with the rif-raf that has nothing better to do than to cite politics. As subscribers to this list declines, this list will further deteriorate. I value the input from fellow users like Michael Vogel, Dan Huntingford, Mark Lake and John Stewart. I do not wish to see these people make the decision to remove themselves as John recommends for their input is way too valuable to loose. Lets please stay on the topics at hand that make us money before we loose further subscribers. Greg On Sep 8, 2008, at 9:45 AM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 9/8/2008 10:41:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > SueAnn@professional-printers.com writes: > > I would appreciate it if this list were kept to printing matters > and not > political statements. If this is to continue, please remove me > from this > listing. > > > > I agree with your sentiments to a large degree, but you made the > decision to > join this list and only you can make the decision to remove > yourself. Don't > ask others to do it for you. Very clear instructions appear at the > bottom of > each and every email. > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http:// > www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new > fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon Sep 8 11:30:10 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Mon Sep 8 11:30:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] In need of a generic job application for a customer In-Reply-To: <008201c911c6$61aaf380$6401a8c0@coranew> References: <48C51FEA.4080402@parchmentpress.net> <008201c911c6$61aaf380$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <009701c911c7$c818c380$6401a8c0@coranew> Does anyone have or know where to get just a generic job application for a customer. This is a butcher shop so a printing application would probably be different Thanks in advance, Cora. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From greg at pressexpress.org Mon Sep 8 11:33:09 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon Sep 8 11:33:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] (ON) Printing Topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <855CCE65-867D-4240-B95D-8B04528F861D@pressexpress.org> I agree with Joe, Seeing as that there are now more OFF related topics than ON related topics, I think we need to address ON related topics in the subject line so I can filter out all the politics, religion and now, abortion issues. Greg On Sep 8, 2008, at 9:03 AM, Joe Calagaz wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I thought one of the default actions is convert color to CMYK. > > Also I think word is actually doing an RGB black and that is your > issue. > I have used the Global Change to select the RGB black (or the one with > the profile) and change it to 100% K > > I also think they have one to remove all of the profiles..... > > Let me know if you do not have the actions and I will send them to you > ....also they do have a lot of actions on their web site, and I think > there is a user out there that runs a web site for action sharing > (google pitstop actions) > > Sorry I don't do tiny urls..... > > (http://www.actionlistexchange.net/searchform.php?ss0=&do=Search&_ds=1&b > n=0&sf0=description%2Cauthor%2Cauthor_info&so0=contains&so1=contains) > > Good luck... > > Joe Calagaz > Calagaz Printing > Mobile, AL 36606 > 251-478-0487 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Keli of > Coxsackie > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 12:34 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] (ON) Printing Topic > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello, > > Does anyone have a Enfocus Pitstop Action that would make my color > pages > > CMYK and my b/w pages greyscale? > > Problem is the pdf was made in WORD and has ICC profiles! > > thanks, > Michael Markuson (aka Keli) > Parchment Press > 52 S River St > Coxsackie, NY 12051 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > From sos at olympus.net Mon Sep 8 11:38:02 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Sep 8 11:40:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] only pair of unbiased glasses References: <98f5b19a0809071342p6b78a2ael8dc14da886e24c66@mail.gmail.com> <9988D1D5-8803-4F42-ABC5-74240D476926@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <9B2107B2477447B1B8ED848B144C7003@DANIEL> I expect to be inducted into the baseball hall > of fame! . By the tone of some of those, I expected to be > lynched. > > Both types of letters were sent by people who had dealt with me over an > extended period of time... =========================== That's a good analogy. My brother-in-law IS in the coaches hall of fame. One of the all time winningest coaches in Washington State History. There are people who hate him. All along the way they were plotting behind his back to get him fired. Luckily he had friends on the school board who backed him and he came through with championship after championship. My Dad was in political office for 22 years. He did a good job, but still he had enemies as all politicians do and was eventually voted out of office. I wise man once said, "A man with no enemies, is no man at all." I think you could say the same thing about Sarah Palin. She has obviously ruffled a few feathers. And good for her. As vice president she will be able to accomplish exactly Nothing in Washington D.C. So What. So far I'm leaning toward voting for her. Just because. A barracuda is just what they need back there in millionaire lawyer land. I do not agree with her socially conservative views at all, but those are not very important issues when it comes to government. Government primarily has the power to tax and the power to spend. And that really needs to be reigned in to a more conservative nature. The Republicans actually controlled both house and senate for a couple years there, and they did nothing. What an embarrassment that was. But I still have hope. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From John at mpcny.com Mon Sep 8 11:45:30 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Mon Sep 8 11:45:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Printing Sales Question In-Reply-To: <20080908153034.4AADA10712B4@rb.enter.net> References: <20080908153034.4AADA10712B4@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7E204D942B264485AD477BA9FFFD3D9D@Leo4allPC> Up 30% ytd and the other firm I buying is up 5%. Factor in all costs have gone up (paper, plates, shipping...) and you better be up or you're down even more. How did we do it? Did like S said, and Kathy worked sales real hard LAST YEAR that has driven this year. Sales efforts to attract new accounts take over a year to really fill the pipeline. Hire Wendy Weiss to coach you, follow her advice and read S old posts. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From sos at olympus.net Mon Sep 8 11:51:25 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Sep 8 11:53:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printing Sales Question References: <8A361A96-C41A-4AF6-8E46-E3A89C173CC7@protypeonline.com><83d5b9620809080753x8d25acpaf2c579abff00990@mail.gmail.com> <7FA73A51815D4710865F967D63C14C7D@Crown.local> Message-ID: <231BBB6BF67C4A8793C3E2FA1F3EDB7D@DANIEL> > What are you seeing in your area? ================== Our sales are up about 8% so far this year. We have been growing about 8 to 10% per year for the past 9 to 10 years except for last year when we were only even with the year before. That tell you anything? Our wide format, engineering copies are down about 25% despite a 30% increase in prices. Or maybe because of a 30% increase in price. Who knows. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 12:40:07 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Sep 8 12:40:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 37, Issue 40 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0809080940m6a668cf9sc300cf4835145424@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 10:45 AM, wrote: > > In a message dated 9/8/2008 10:41:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > SueAnn@professional-printers.com writes: > > I would appreciate it if this list were kept to printing matters and not > political statements. If this is to continue, please remove me from this > listing. Unfortunately, we're in a heated political season, and because we a large group of people in constant touch with one another -- I feel there are people all over the country who are more than casual acquaintances, although we've never met -- it's difficult to refrain compeletly from talking about current issues. Some suggestions, SueAnn: 1) If you were to receive individual emails instead of digest mode, you could easily delete ones you had no interest in. 2) I would appreciate if people who read the list in digest mode would please edit their subject lines so the rest of us can detemine whether theirs is a post we wish to read. The subject line of this email is yours, and fails to provide courtesy of informing the rest of us of the content of your post. Conversely, the political posts that you find objectionable were all pretty easily identifiable and deleteble to those not in digest mode. 3) Looking in my archives, I don't see where you introduced yourself to the list. (My apologies if I deleted the introduction). 4) That said, we hope you'll stick around and contribute. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Mon Sep 8 12:50:02 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Mon Sep 8 12:50:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 37, Issue 40 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: SueAnn, If your bank paid you 25% interest on your savings and you had to endure a sales call every now and then, would you pull your money out? Think of the value of this list to your business, and the little effort it takes to delete something you aren't interested in. Just my opinion.... Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Sep 8, 2008, at 10:45 AM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 9/8/2008 10:41:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > SueAnn@professional-printers.com writes: > > I would appreciate it if this list were kept to printing matters > and not > political statements. If this is to continue, please remove me > from this > listing. > > > > I agree with your sentiments to a large degree, but you made the > decision to > join this list and only you can make the decision to remove > yourself. Don't > ask others to do it for you. Very clear instructions appear at the > bottom of > each and every email. > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http:// > www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new > fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From kwhelan at pioneerprint.com Mon Sep 8 13:31:11 2008 From: kwhelan at pioneerprint.com (Kevin Whelan) Date: Mon Sep 8 13:31:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for a SIMPLE Proofing Work Flow Solution In-Reply-To: <231BBB6BF67C4A8793C3E2FA1F3EDB7D@DANIEL> References: <8A361A96-C41A-4AF6-8E46-E3A89C173CC7@protypeonline.com><83d5b9620809080753x8d25acpaf2c579abff00990@mail.gmail.com> <7FA73A51815D4710865F967D63C14C7D@Crown.local> <231BBB6BF67C4A8793C3E2FA1F3EDB7D@DANIEL> Message-ID: <01b001c911d8$b0d97820$128c6860$@com> Can anyone recommend a simple (relatively inexpensive) proofing work flow solution? Presently, our system works like this... . our job ticket and uploaded file goes into our prepress department . the file is preflighted . we create a low resolution PDF proof . the PDF is then emailed to the sales person . the salesperson forwards the PDF proof to our customer for approval . customer responds to the sales person with an approval . salesperson then gives the "approved to print" job ticket to production This process is totally manual and a burden on our sales people (who I would rather be out selling instead of babysitting proof approvals). I would like to see a work flow system where a low resolution PDF proof is emailed from our prepress dept to our customer. Once our customer receives our proof, they either check an approved box or an approved with changes box, hit submit and the file is automatically sent to our production department. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks, Kevin Whelan PIONEER Print Communications 10285 Bach Blvd. St. Louis, MO 63132 314.428.4055 www.pioneerprint.com From sundance_print at yahoo.com Mon Sep 8 13:41:04 2008 From: sundance_print at yahoo.com (Wes Cornwell) Date: Mon Sep 8 13:41:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printing Sales Question Message-ID: <686800.53777.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We are up 10% year to date, but I have had two of my three competitors in my town go out of business. Staples and Kinkos came to town and neither of the other shops were able to stay open. We spend all our time marketing to the businesses in town trying to remind them that they are small businesses too. Spot color printing is down and copying is down, but color copying and process printing is way up. Wes Cornwell Sundance Printing 10240 Progress Lane Parker, CO 80134 303-841-3094 ----- Original Message ---- From: clc To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Monday, September 8, 2008 9:13:52 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Printing Sales Question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We sell printed products to every state mostly by catalog and have seen a considerable decline in sales over the past several months. No increase in internet sales either. Since we are broad based geographically we have not seen a decline since 1992 as the 2001 recession did not seem to be felt. The print industry experts say we have had a 7% decline from some of my readings and the catalog experts say sales are down by at least 5%. We are at the end of August and down about 6% for the year but we had a 9% price increase in February. What are you seeing in your area? Thank you Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road Dunbar, WV 25064 1-800-252-40111 www.crownmax.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon Sep 8 13:51:44 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Mon Sep 8 13:51:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printing Sales Question In-Reply-To: <686800.53777.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <686800.53777.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c401c911db$8eef0970$6401a8c0@coranew> I am up a little over 13% over last year, but I have a very select set of customers that I sell too and we also sell some specialty items that we produce. We have never advertised and all of our referrals are by word of mouth....of course we are only a mom & pop shop More than enough to keep us busy, but no overhead either Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Wes Cornwell Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:41 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Printing Sales Question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are up 10% year to date, but I have had two of my three competitors in my town go out of business. Staples and Kinkos came to town and neither of the other shops were able to stay open. We spend all our time marketing to the businesses in town trying to remind them that they are small businesses too. Spot color printing is down and copying is down, but color copying and process printing is way up. Wes Cornwell Sundance Printing 10240 Progress Lane Parker, CO 80134 303-841-3094 ----- Original Message ---- From: clc To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Monday, September 8, 2008 9:13:52 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Printing Sales Question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We sell printed products to every state mostly by catalog and have seen a considerable decline in sales over the past several months. No increase in internet sales either. Since we are broad based geographically we have not seen a decline since 1992 as the 2001 recession did not seem to be felt. The print industry experts say we have had a 7% decline from some of my readings and the catalog experts say sales are down by at least 5%. We are at the end of August and down about 6% for the year but we had a 9% price increase in February. What are you seeing in your area? Thank you Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road Dunbar, WV 25064 1-800-252-40111 www.crownmax.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3426 (20080908) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From clc at crownmax.com Mon Sep 8 14:07:50 2008 From: clc at crownmax.com (clc) Date: Mon Sep 8 14:07:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Another Survey In-Reply-To: References: <48C51FEA.4080402@parchmentpress.net><006c01c911c4$5b43ec10$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: I followed John Stewart's instructions and did not send anything in and have received my letter indicating they will be turning me in to the US Attorney! It wasn't sent certified so I probably did not receive it. Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road Dunbar, WV 25064 1-800-252-40111 www.crownmax.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 11:27 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Another Survey ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Well, I thought I had another copy of that DARN survey although I filled out (sort of) and mailed it in. I opened it and this is different. This one is called "2007 SURVEY OF BUSINESS OWNERS AND SELF-EMPLOYED PERSONS" and is questions like.... when did you start the business?, where did you get the money? Hispanic? How many hrs. a week do you work...and on and on and on.... I am about surveyed to death. I wonder if they will accept KY Hillbilly as Ethnic origin??? A POed KY Hillbilly at that!!!! Nan Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From tufelkinder at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 14:11:05 2008 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Mon Sep 8 14:11:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for a SIMPLE Proofing Work Flow Solution In-Reply-To: <01b001c911d8$b0d97820$128c6860$@com> References: <8A361A96-C41A-4AF6-8E46-E3A89C173CC7@protypeonline.com> <83d5b9620809080753x8d25acpaf2c579abff00990@mail.gmail.com> <7FA73A51815D4710865F967D63C14C7D@Crown.local> <231BBB6BF67C4A8793C3E2FA1F3EDB7D@DANIEL> <01b001c911d8$b0d97820$128c6860$@com> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0809081111g6b85f58ch54ce23bd10faf217@mail.gmail.com> Why not just have the salesperson provide your prepress people with the necessary contact information and have them handle the proofing/correction interaction directly with the customer? No only does it involve fewer people, but there's less likelihood of error with fewer people in the loop and changes/proofs can be exchanged more quickly instead of on your salesperson's schedule... Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ The best way out is always through. -- Robert Frost From jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com Mon Sep 8 14:15:37 2008 From: jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com (Jim Quinn) Date: Mon Sep 8 14:18:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for a SIMPLE Proofing Work Flow Solution In-Reply-To: <01b001c911d8$b0d97820$128c6860$@com> Message-ID: Our system is just like yours except that we skip the salesperson and ask that they do an email reply with their o.k. or comments. We've tried on-line proofing systems but find that our customers prefer just getting a pdf via email. Jim Quinn Sir Speedy 4043 15323 Midway Road Addison, TX 75001 Phone 972-788-4266 Fax 972-788-2367 jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Whelan Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:31 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for a SIMPLE Proofing Work Flow Solution ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Can anyone recommend a simple (relatively inexpensive) proofing work flow solution? Presently, our system works like this... . our job ticket and uploaded file goes into our prepress department . the file is preflighted . we create a low resolution PDF proof . the PDF is then emailed to the sales person . the salesperson forwards the PDF proof to our customer for approval . customer responds to the sales person with an approval . salesperson then gives the "approved to print" job ticket to production This process is totally manual and a burden on our sales people (who I would rather be out selling instead of babysitting proof approvals). I would like to see a work flow system where a low resolution PDF proof is emailed from our prepress dept to our customer. Once our customer receives our proof, they either check an approved box or an approved with changes box, hit submit and the file is automatically sent to our production department. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks, Kevin Whelan PIONEER Print Communications 10285 Bach Blvd. St. Louis, MO 63132 314.428.4055 www.pioneerprint.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon Sep 8 14:27:20 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon Sep 8 14:27:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Another Survey Message-ID: In a message dated 9/8/2008 2:08:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, clc@crownmax.com writes: I followed John Stewart's instructions and did not send anything in and have received my letter indicating they will be turning me in to the US Attorney! It wasn't sent certified so I probably did not receive it. Charlie, What do you want, for us to be cell mates in Federal Prison. Quit mentioning my name in connection with all this stuff! I did not "instruct" anyone to kill anyone, rob a bank or refuse to fill out one of these forms... By the way, I still did not respond to the last one, but don't recall whether I ever received a registered or certified one requesting a signature. I could honestly see writing them back at some point, and saying something to the effect...."Folks the economy is so poor and business is so down, that I am lucky we still have the doors open and that is where I am concentrating 100% of my efforts, so if you want it filled out you will have to send someone and I will point out the filing cabinet where I think some of the info is kept." I did an extensive search at one point and even found some blogs of folks who have refused time and again to complete a Census (business or personal) and I read somewhere that no one has ever been prosecuted, fined or sent to jail for refusing to supply the information. At some point, the census takers are instructed to just put down what they believe to be true and move on! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From steveprint at aol.com Mon Sep 8 14:40:04 2008 From: steveprint at aol.com (StevePrint) Date: Mon Sep 8 14:39:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for a SIMPLE Proofing Work Flow Solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9907b266.6ec0.4cac.969d.138aab3c623a@aol.com> We use the send Proof feature within our websitesforprinters site. Client receives Proof reviews and checks box ok or not. Simple and clean. Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting In a message dated 09/08/08 11:20:19 Pacific Daylight Time, jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Our system is just like yours except that we skip the salesperson and ask that they do an email reply with their o.k. or comments. We've tried on-line proofing systems but find that our customers prefer just getting a pdf via email. Jim Quinn Sir Speedy 4043 15323 Midway Road Addison, TX 75001 Phone 972-788-4266 Fax 972-788-2367 jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Whelan Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:31 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for a SIMPLE Proofing Work Flow Solution ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Can anyone recommend a simple (relatively inexpensive) proofing work flow solution? Presently, our system works like this... . our job ticket and uploaded file goes into our prepress department . the file is preflighted . we create a low resolution PDF proof . the PDF is then emailed to the sales person . the salesperson forwards the PDF proof to our customer for approval . customer responds to the sales person with an approval . salesperson then gives the "approved to print" job ticket to production This process is totally manual and a burden on our sales people (who I would rather be out selling instead of babysitting proof approvals). I would like to see a work flow system where a low resolution PDF proof is emailed from our prepress dept to our customer. Once our customer receives our proof, they either check an approved box or an approved with changes box, hit submit and the file is automatically sent to our production department. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks, Kevin Whelan PIONEER Print Communications 10285 Bach Blvd. St. Louis, MO 63132 314.428.4055 www.pioneerprint.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From russ at mobile-print.com Mon Sep 8 15:03:39 2008 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Mon Sep 8 15:04:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for a SIMPLE Proofing Work Flow Solution In-Reply-To: <01b001c911d8$b0d97820$128c6860$@com> References: <8A361A96-C41A-4AF6-8E46-E3A89C173CC7@protypeonline.com><83d5b9620809080753x8d25acpaf2c579abff00990@mail.gmail.com> <7FA73A51815D4710865F967D63C14C7D@Crown.local> <231BBB6BF67C4A8793C3E2FA1F3EDB7D@DANIEL> <01b001c911d8$b0d97820$128c6860$@com> Message-ID: <48C5770B.8010905@mobile-print.com> Our proofing procedure is extremely similar to yours, with slight differences. Our salesman does not enter orders, so the proof goes back to the CSR, who checks it against the markup & forwards it to the client. This initial, in-house double check is important as it can frequently prevent small mistakes (usually 'judgement' mistakes) from getting to the client in the first place. We also have quite a few clients who prefer fax over e-mail. The fax machine is in the office area, while there is not a fax close to prepress. For many years we had Prepress send out the proofs directly, but this caused other problems: - The CSR/Salesman never knew exactly when the proof went out, if there were changes, if it was OK'd, etc. - The person most familiar with the job (CSR/Salesman) couldn't review the job prior to proofing, resulting in more corrections. - Clients would frequently ask the Prepress guy questions that he was not authorized to answer (how much $$, when, etc.) Personally, it's my belief that the Salesman/CSR 'owns' the job and should be responsible for sheepharding it through the system. He/she is the customers contact person and should know the specific status & details of their orders. Russ > Presently, our system works like this... > > > > . our job ticket and uploaded file goes into our prepress department > > . the file is preflighted > > . we create a low resolution PDF proof > > . the PDF is then emailed to the sales person > > . the salesperson forwards the PDF proof to our customer for > approval > > . customer responds to the sales person with an approval > > . salesperson then gives the "approved to print" job ticket to > production > > > > This process is totally manual and a burden on our sales people (who I would > rather be out selling instead of babysitting proof approvals). > -- Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! ++++++++ From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon Sep 8 19:08:08 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon Sep 8 19:10:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for a SIMPLE Proofing Work Flow Solution In-Reply-To: <01b001c911d8$b0d97820$128c6860$@com> References: <8A361A96-C41A-4AF6-8E46-E3A89C173CC7@protypeonline.com> <83d5b9620809080753x8d25acpaf2c579abff00990@mail.gmail.com> <7FA73A51815D4710865F967D63C14C7D@Crown.local> <231BBB6BF67C4A8793C3E2FA1F3EDB7D@DANIEL> <01b001c911d8$b0d97820$128c6860$@com> Message-ID: <200809082310.m88NAC3L041752@i2bnetworks.com> Take the salesperson out of the loop. Have the CSR email the PDF, handle the approval and send the job into production. Nobody in pre-press should be communicating with the client. This is what a CSR is supposed to do, assist the salesperson with the transaction so the salesperson can be out generating new business. S. At 08:40 AM 9/8/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Can anyone recommend a simple (relatively inexpensive) proofing work flow >solution? > >Presently, our system works like this... > > > >. our job ticket and uploaded file goes into our prepress department > >. the file is preflighted > >. we create a low resolution PDF proof > >. the PDF is then emailed to the sales person > >. the salesperson forwards the PDF proof to our customer for >approval > >. customer responds to the sales person with an approval > >. salesperson then gives the "approved to print" job ticket to >production > > > >This process is totally manual and a burden on our sales people (who I would >rather be out selling instead of babysitting proof approvals). > > > >I would like to see a work flow system where a low resolution PDF proof is >emailed from our prepress dept to our customer. Once our customer receives >our proof, they either check an approved box or an approved with changes >box, hit submit and the file is automatically sent to our production >department. > > > >Any recommendations would be appreciated. > >Thanks, > > > >Kevin Whelan > > > >PIONEER Print Communications > >10285 Bach Blvd. > >St. Louis, MO 63132 > > > >314.428.4055 > >www.pioneerprint.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3426 (20080908) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From ep101 at technaprint.com Mon Sep 8 19:33:05 2008 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Mon Sep 8 19:33:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Experience with appealing property appraisals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > The assessed value of our property has increased > 33% between 07 and 08... John, Just because the assessed value of the property went up 33% doesn't necessarily mean your property taxes have gone or will go up the same percentage amount. It could be that your area has in fact appreciated by that amount but along with everyone else, the tax base is covering "x" dollars of budgetary outlay for the respective taxing jurisdictions effectively reducing the millage. Did your tax obligation go up 33% along with the assessed value? While I have never appealed our commercial building, I did appeal one of our presses and actually got the value of that reduced about $200,000 saving us about $3,000/year. It wasn't that big of deal. I just got a letter from a couple of dealers as to their estimate of value, averaged them, asked it to be reduced to that amount and got the reduction. A commercial appraisal can set you back quite a bit, but if you're curious as to the actual value, you might consider getting a full-blown appraisal on your building and if it comes in lower than what they think it's worth, then by all means appeal the valuation. You'll likely succeed. Good luck! Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From communicar at aol.com Mon Sep 8 19:35:23 2008 From: communicar at aol.com (communicar@aol.com) Date: Mon Sep 8 19:35:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM 6501 release soon Message-ID: <8CAE022B2B449BE-1260-28C3@webmail-da17.sysops.aol.com> Our KMBS sales rep stopped in today to let me know the new 6501 machines are due in the end of next week - probably at least another week before they actually deliver and install. Originally we were told there were going to be very minor upgrades, but there is one new feature that should have appeal for some people. The new finisher for the 6501 will punch for GBC, plastiKoil and one other type of mechanical binding inline. Supposedly, there has been discussions about Ikon phasing out the KM and Canon lines in a couple years since they were purchased by Ricoh. That might have been sales talk, but it makes sense to me. FWIW, Ken Azebu Communicart Graphics & Printing 499 Aldo Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408) 970-0922 (408) 970-8630 Fax From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon Sep 8 19:44:59 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon Sep 8 19:45:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Experience with appealing property appraisals Message-ID: In a message dated 9/8/2008 7:34:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ep101@technaprint.com writes: Did your tax obligation go up 33% along with the assessed value? Eric, Actually, the taxes went up approximately 40%, or an increase of about $1,600. That was a result of increases in the milage rates. Unfortunately, having talked to the commercial property appraiser, he said there is no basis to argue the percent of increase in assessments. The unfortunate reality is that we paid $330,000 for the building approx. 20 years ago, and it is now appraised at $400,000. Its real market value is between $900-950,000. He tells me that commercial property is, like residential, supposed to be appraised at real market values but it continued to be appraised at much lower values and they are trying to play catch-up. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From printer at ptialaska.net Mon Sep 8 20:42:29 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Mon Sep 8 20:42:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] Grizzly Photos to brighten your day Message-ID: <9188126F-5759-4902-8CCC-7A462DB0644E@ptialaska.net> Here are some photos of 2 grizzlies that get a bit close to a car up by the Arctic Circle. Crazy... http://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/239682-found-out-80-series-grizzly-proof.html _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Mon Sep 8 22:38:35 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Mon Sep 8 22:38:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 5.5 million press demo.......WOW Message-ID: I talked to a friend today who is considering a 26x40 10/C $5.5 MM Heidelburg (4/4+UV perfector) fully loaded press. He spent some time in Kennesaw last week. Showed me video of 2 presses and box converters running in Heidelburg's facility. I'm not editing this, so I may jump around....not a journalist GET THIS: He explained how during a big 5/5 run on the 26x40, if you needed to throw on a short run, you hit the interrupt button, the plates are removed and held aside automatically, new plates put on and up to speed in 10 minutes or so with the new job. Once that job is over, you go back to what you were previously doing press the same button. Also explained their cutter which requires hands off cutting, how the stock it parked in 'elevator lifts' near the cutter.....parked by the cutter(!), and moved into place when the next lift is ready for cutting. Also explained how the job flow software holds a job in pre-press....say multiple up business cards... until the last one is in place, then the press accepts the job and waits for the 'go button' to be pushed. No matter if it's single or double sided, the pressman only loads the card stock. No chance for human error on the press side. Prepress makes the errors, not the press. He plans to make playing cards for the indian casinos, there is another machine which will cut decks (collated first by the machine) and insert into boxes, all of which were just printed and converted. Bouncing around here....... The 10/C would take at the most, 2 operators. TWO! Ink is in cartridges, doesn't have to be added by a pressman. If it gets low on ink, the press changes to the next ink cartridge. If it is near to running out of a color, it stops the press completely. Wow, a different industry than I know. I didn't know a thing about the big presses at this end of the spectrum. Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Mon Sep 8 22:47:12 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Mon Sep 8 22:47:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] The salesperson needs to be in the loop, but not in the production. Message-ID: I think we do just about the same. Our salesperson or people is a customer of ours, and gives all jobs to 1 or more CSR's. From that point, the CSR and salesperson arrange how to contact the client as necessary and at what point in the process for complex jobs. This is only on new jobs. Repeats don't even cross the salesperson's desk until after they are in production. This is done to keep the salesperson from micromanaging. We'll give them a recap of the days business pertaining to him/her at the end of the day. The salesperson needs to be in the loop, but not in the production. Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Personally, it's my belief that the Salesman/CSR 'owns' the job and should be responsible for sheepharding it through the system. He/she is the customers contact person and should know the specific status & details of their orders. Russ From tufelkinder at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 09:33:41 2008 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Tue Sep 9 09:33:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for a SIMPLE Proofing Work Flow Solution In-Reply-To: <200809082310.m88NAC3L041752@i2bnetworks.com> References: <8A361A96-C41A-4AF6-8E46-E3A89C173CC7@protypeonline.com> <83d5b9620809080753x8d25acpaf2c579abff00990@mail.gmail.com> <7FA73A51815D4710865F967D63C14C7D@Crown.local> <231BBB6BF67C4A8793C3E2FA1F3EDB7D@DANIEL> <01b001c911d8$b0d97820$128c6860$@com> <200809082310.m88NAC3L041752@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0809090633l162510dfxb7bbd6feaf78ddc@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > > Nobody in pre-press should be communicating with the client. Scott, Out of curiousity, why do you say this? I'm aware that our company structure is somewhat different from that of many companies out there* but how does it benefit the customer or your company to have an intermediary person involved in every conversation with the customer? In our experience, that's been one of the number one causes of delays in communication, as well as mistakes causes by the inaccurate relay of information/corrections, etc. Thanks, Walt * Different in that we have no outside salespeople or CSRs, per se, so every prepress person works directly with the client, in most cases. Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ The best way out is always through. -- Robert Frost From russ at mobile-print.com Tue Sep 9 09:32:38 2008 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Tue Sep 9 09:33:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Imaging envelopes with latex seal Message-ID: <48C67AF6.7010904@mobile-print.com> We recently produced some envelopes upon which we had a latex seal applied. Client wanted square flap Strathmore with strip & grip. Quantity 1000. Item unavailable, so we had 2 part latex applied. Anyways, the client now says they can't image them on their laser printer. If the envelope goes through with the flap closed, the envelope becomes sealed & can't be opened without destroying it. If the envelope goes through with the flap open, the latex melts onto the rollers and won't seal. Any suggestions? -- Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! ++++++++ From steveprint at aol.com Tue Sep 9 10:23:25 2008 From: steveprint at aol.com (StevePrint) Date: Tue Sep 9 10:22:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Imaging envelopes with latex seal In-Reply-To: <48C67AF6.7010904@mobile-print.com> References: <48C67AF6.7010904@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <4adaea65.ad42.4bb0.b2ae.52c68c1e3146@aol.com> See if Announcement Converters in Florida has these. The other option is to find an Envelope Converter. Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting In a message dated 09/09/08 06:43:36 Pacific Daylight Time, russ@mobile-print.com writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We recently produced some envelopes upon which we had a latex seal applied. Client wanted square flap Strathmore with strip & grip. Quantity 1000. Item unavailable, so we had 2 part latex applied. Anyways, the client now says they can't image them on their laser printer. If the envelope goes through with the flap closed, the envelope becomes sealed & can't be opened without destroying it. If the envelope goes through with the flap open, the latex melts onto the rollers and won't seal. Any suggestions? -- Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! ++++++++ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Tue Sep 9 10:51:37 2008 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Tue Sep 9 10:51:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HIPPA Message-ID: Has anyone gone through this certification process? Do you need a consultant to get it done or can it be done in a more cost-effective manner? Any insight into this process or possible costs would be helpful. Thanks. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying From IRPRNTR at aol.com Tue Sep 9 10:54:55 2008 From: IRPRNTR at aol.com (IRPRNTR@aol.com) Date: Tue Sep 9 10:55:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 5.5 million press demo.......WOW Message-ID: If you never had any direct connection with large presses, haven't you ever opened a trade magazine. All that info is in there!! I just haven't seen the 'Demos' work as smoothly in actual production. There are always bugs to work out. The new technology is pretty awesome, but seems be taking the 'skill' out of printing, more like working in a factory!! TJ Litho Jr ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From craig at newhavenprint.com Tue Sep 9 11:08:15 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Tue Sep 9 11:08:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 5.5 million press demo.......WOW In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C6915F.9030401@newhavenprint.com> Yep, we watched this press run at Heidelberg (Kennesaw) in July. It's very impressive. I think the operators would need roller skates to get from one end to the other however. It's really long. We also got a demo on the automated Polar cutter. It fed itself (after you load the jogger), made the cuts (rotating the piles by itself), then transferred the finished cut piles to another stacker. The coolest part was the conveyor that fed the waste paper out of the cutter and into a scrap bin. Fun stuff. Craig Dellinger President New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, Indiana USA Phone: 260.493.3844 Fax: 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com larry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I talked to a friend today who is considering a 26x40 10/C $5.5 MM Heidelburg (4/4+UV perfector) fully loaded > press. > > He spent some time in Kennesaw last week. Showed me video of 2 presses and box converters > running in Heidelburg's facility. > > I'm not editing this, so I may jump around....not a journalist > > GET THIS: He explained how during a big 5/5 run on the 26x40, if you needed to throw on a short run, > you hit the interrupt button, the plates are removed and held aside automatically, new plates > put on and up to speed in 10 minutes or so with the new job. > > Once that job is over, you go back to what you were previously doing press the same button. > > Also explained their cutter which requires hands off cutting, how the stock > it parked in 'elevator lifts' near the cutter.....parked by the cutter(!), and moved > into place when the next lift is ready for cutting. > > Also explained how the job flow software holds a job in pre-press....say multiple up business cards... > until the last one is in place, then the press accepts the job and waits for the 'go button' to be > pushed. No matter if it's single or double sided, the pressman only loads the card stock. > > No chance for human error on the press side. Prepress makes the errors, not the press. > > He plans to make playing cards for the indian casinos, there is another machine which will cut decks (collated first by the machine) > and insert into boxes, all of which were just printed and converted. > > Bouncing around here....... > > The 10/C would take at the most, 2 operators. TWO! > > Ink is in cartridges, doesn't have to be added by a pressman. If it gets low on ink, > the press changes to the next ink cartridge. If it is near to running out of a color, it stops the press > completely. > > Wow, a different industry than I know. I didn't know a thing about the big presses > at this end of the spectrum. > Larry Taylor > Desert Pacific Printing > Tucson, AZ > 520-745-8004 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 11:27:35 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Sep 9 11:27:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 5.5 million press demo.......WOW In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0809090827s2889c2efl221c397748c73932@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:54 AM, wrote: The new technology is pretty awesome, but seems be taking the 'skill' > out of printing, more like working in a factory!! > > "But"??? How many are interested in the skill of printing at this level? There's plenty of opportunity in the retro letterpress invitation market for printing artisans. Given the personalities most of us have had to deal with over the years in search of printing "skill," the idea of printing in a factory almost void of employees (maybe even with the lights off!) certainly has its appeal (albeit at an exclusionary price tag)! > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Sir Francis Bacon > From rstor at copycats.com Tue Sep 9 11:55:46 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Tue Sep 9 11:56:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Budget Image Libraries In-Reply-To: <48C6915F.9030401@newhavenprint.com> References: <48C6915F.9030401@newhavenprint.com> Message-ID: <48C69C82.8010708@copycats.com> I have a customer who is balking at the prices for royalty-free images from Jupiter (in the $3-400 range). Does anyone know of a budget-minded alternative? Thanks, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue Sep 9 11:58:51 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Tue Sep 9 11:58:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Budget Image Libraries In-Reply-To: <48C69C82.8010708@copycats.com> References: <48C6915F.9030401@newhavenprint.com> <48C69C82.8010708@copycats.com> Message-ID: <008e01c91294$f4102b90$6401a8c0@coranew> I use iStock.com sometimes. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robert Stor Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:56 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Budget Image Libraries ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a customer who is balking at the prices for royalty-free images from Jupiter (in the $3-400 range). Does anyone know of a budget-minded alternative? Thanks, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3428 (20080909) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From clc at crownmax.com Tue Sep 9 12:06:55 2008 From: clc at crownmax.com (clc) Date: Tue Sep 9 12:07:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 5.5 million press demo.......WOW In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A0B9149B3C643E6A0378E78FE11D93B@Crown.local> Only two operators and the need for fifty service technicians, sounds like a nightmare to me! I wonder what the monthly service agreement costs. What I see, is us being forced into buying more complex beasts that make us a prisoner of the service technicians. Think about it. Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road Dunbar, WV 25064 1-800-252-40111 www.crownmax.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of larry Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 10:39 PM To: Printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] 5.5 million press demo.......WOW ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I talked to a friend today who is considering a 26x40 10/C $5.5 MM Heidelburg (4/4+UV perfector) fully loaded press. He spent some time in Kennesaw last week. Showed me video of 2 presses and box converters running in Heidelburg's facility. I'm not editing this, so I may jump around....not a journalist GET THIS: He explained how during a big 5/5 run on the 26x40, if you needed to throw on a short run, you hit the interrupt button, the plates are removed and held aside automatically, new plates put on and up to speed in 10 minutes or so with the new job. Once that job is over, you go back to what you were previously doing press the same button. Also explained their cutter which requires hands off cutting, how the stock it parked in 'elevator lifts' near the cutter.....parked by the cutter(!), and moved into place when the next lift is ready for cutting. Also explained how the job flow software holds a job in pre-press....say multiple up business cards... until the last one is in place, then the press accepts the job and waits for the 'go button' to be pushed. No matter if it's single or double sided, the pressman only loads the card stock. No chance for human error on the press side. Prepress makes the errors, not the press. He plans to make playing cards for the indian casinos, there is another machine which will cut decks (collated first by the machine) and insert into boxes, all of which were just printed and converted. Bouncing around here....... The 10/C would take at the most, 2 operators. TWO! Ink is in cartridges, doesn't have to be added by a pressman. If it gets low on ink, the press changes to the next ink cartridge. If it is near to running out of a color, it stops the press completely. Wow, a different industry than I know. I didn't know a thing about the big presses at this end of the spectrum. Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ppiinc7 at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 12:13:25 2008 From: ppiinc7 at gmail.com (John Steffes) Date: Tue Sep 9 12:13:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Budget Image Libraries In-Reply-To: <48C69C82.8010708@copycats.com> References: <48C6915F.9030401@newhavenprint.com> <48C69C82.8010708@copycats.com> Message-ID: http://www.istockphoto.com/index.php On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Robert Stor wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > I have a customer who is balking at the prices for royalty-free images from > Jupiter (in the $3-400 range). > > Does anyone know of a budget-minded alternative? > > Thanks, > Bob Stor > Copycats > New York, NY > 212-557-2111 x20 > www.copycats.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- John Steffes Printing Plus Delray Beach, FL From craig at portageprinting.com Tue Sep 9 12:24:50 2008 From: craig at portageprinting.com (Craig Vestal) Date: Tue Sep 9 12:25:03 2008 Subject: Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Budget Image Libraries References: <20080909160703.4C3E81074B24@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <004301c91298$984557a0$78140a0a@CraigNotebook> We use Can Stock Photo, and pay between $1 and $4 or so each. http://www.canstockphoto.com/ Craig Vestal President Portage Printing 1116 W Centre, Portage, MI 49024 269.323.9333 PortagePrinting.com From mark at imageproprint.com Tue Sep 9 12:32:21 2008 From: mark at imageproprint.com (Mark) Date: Tue Sep 9 12:32:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Budget Image Libraries In-Reply-To: <48C69C82.8010708@copycats.com> Message-ID: Try: www.fotolia.com www.Dreamstime.com Mark Rowley ImagePro Printing & Copying, Inc. 95 West Harding Ave. Cedar City, UT 84720 435-586-1105 435-586-0499 fax mark@imageproprint.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robert Stor > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:56 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Budget Image Libraries > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > I have a customer who is balking at the prices for royalty-free images > from Jupiter (in the $3-400 range). > > Does anyone know of a budget-minded alternative? > > Thanks, > Bob Stor > Copycats > New York, NY > 212-557-2111 x20 > www.copycats.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Sep 9 12:33:31 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Sep 9 12:33:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Budget Image Libraries Message-ID: <81C5B514-65C9-4340-AC66-A687CC437D38@protypeonline.com> www.dreamstime.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From sos at olympus.net Tue Sep 9 12:48:07 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Sep 9 12:50:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Imaging envelopes with latex seal References: <48C67AF6.7010904@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <079112A549BA480B992C72BE07584DAA@DANIEL> If the envelope goes through with the flap closed, the envelope > becomes sealed & can't be opened without destroying it. If the envelope > goes through with the flap open, the latex melts onto the rollers and > won't seal. > > Any suggestions? =========================== Tell them, dag gummit, why didn't you tell me you were going to be running them through a laser printer. Everyone knows you can't do that. That should fix it. Or tell them they'll have to print labels and stick them on. Or use an inkjet printer. Or reprint the envelopes with the peal and seal type of glue. That's all I can think of. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 13:14:17 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Sep 9 13:14:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Difficult customer of the month Message-ID: <98f5b19a0809091014t24d56e3o47ac72917b5d3692@mail.gmail.com> I'm not sure I can write this with my blood boiling as it is, but... You'd think that after 34 years, I'd have learned to believe my gut when a designer, sent to us by another Sir Speedy "because their press was down" and wanting another two-sided painted business card press proof because a Pantone swatch wasn't sufficient for her customer to visualize the color on a white background. I looked for every good reason to walk away, but the customer accepted my price, and off we went. Let me start by saying that she specificed "business card stock." Anoither red flag. I quoted the job (and supplied the spec detail) on 88# Strathmore cover bristol. We printed the cards with great care and they were dead-on perfect. Called the customer for payment (I had not requested a deposit out of deference to her relationship with the other Sir Speedy had said she was a good customer); she said that when she got the cards, *if* they were okay, she'd send a check in 30 days. She proceeded to pay by Amex when I told her I wouldn't ship them until they were paid for, but that I stood behind our work. A week went by during which I shied away from making a follow-up call. The first call from her was that *one* of the two names (printed in signature) was crooked. Funny that it was only one. And that all of our samples were perfect. She wanted to send me a sample and balked when I told her she'd have to send *all* the cards back if she expected a reprint. No response. Friday, I got a call from her saying that her customer called to tell her that the cards were "curling up like potato chips." She repeated the phrase more than once. Her customer wouldn't pay for them, and if he wouldn't she wouldn't. I took a stance and said that I would keep an open mind until I saw the badly curled cards, but that it sounded to me like she had a difficult customer, but that it was *hers* and that her responsibility was to me. I.e., if her customer unreasonably withheld payment from her, she was still on the hook to us. Today, the cards came back. One lot in a topless box, the other wiuth box intact. One box contained a single card that had been bent, apprently by hand, and two others similarly bent, but less so. The remainder of the box, and all of the second box are as perfect and flat as can be. The designer said the printing was "awsome" [sic], but that the stock was "not right." She wants them heavier, but, of course, never spec'd anything other than "business card stock," and had been told the stock in writing on the quotation. There is no cause to reprint (especiallly not to save the customer for future "lifetime value" ). I know she'll dispute the Amex charge. What would you do next? I'm not sure I can keep my cool in a conversation with her. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From russ at mobile-print.com Tue Sep 9 13:19:16 2008 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Tue Sep 9 13:20:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Imaging envelopes with latex seal In-Reply-To: <079112A549BA480B992C72BE07584DAA@DANIEL> References: <48C67AF6.7010904@mobile-print.com> <079112A549BA480B992C72BE07584DAA@DANIEL> Message-ID: <48C6B014.1060400@mobile-print.com> Yeah, that's what I was afraid of. This customer is a real PITA!!! Thanks... > > > If the envelope goes through with the flap closed, the envelope >> becomes sealed & can't be opened without destroying it. If the >> envelope goes through with the flap open, the latex melts onto the >> rollers and won't seal. >> >> Any suggestions? > =========================== > > Tell them, dag gummit, why didn't you tell me you were going to be > running them through a laser printer. Everyone knows you can't do > that. That should fix it. > > Or tell them they'll have to print labels and stick them on. Or use an > inkjet printer. > Or reprint the envelopes with the peal and seal type of glue. > > That's all I can think of. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! ++++++++ From printer at ptialaska.net Tue Sep 9 13:21:32 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Tue Sep 9 13:21:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Difficult customer of the month In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0809091014t24d56e3o47ac72917b5d3692@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0809091014t24d56e3o47ac72917b5d3692@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sep 9, 2008, at 9:14 AM, Michael Vogel wrote: > > The designer said the printing was "awsome" [sic], but that the > stock was > "not right." She wants them heavier, but, of course, never spec'd > anything > other than "business card stock," and had been told the stock in > writing on > the quotation. There is no cause to reprint (especiallly not to save > the > customer for future "lifetime value" ). I know she'll dispute the > Amex > charge. > > What would you do next? I'm not sure I can keep my cool in a > conversation > with her. REPLY: Redo them however she wants, then wash your hands from this customer. Lesson: Always show the customer the paper sample and get them to sign off... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Tue Sep 9 13:25:54 2008 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Tue Sep 9 13:26:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Difficult customer of the month In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0809091014t24d56e3o47ac72917b5d3692@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005501c912a1$1e05eff0$5b01a8c0@fileserver> I would tell her the work exceeded industry standards in your opinion and you feel you met her expectations as well. Then if she disagreed I would refund her money and tell her we are not the printer for her. Oh yeah, I would also ask before I asked anything else how much printing she did in a years time and if it was significant then I might grovel and beg. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:14 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Difficult customer of the month ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I'm not sure I can write this with my blood boiling as it is, but... You'd think that after 34 years, I'd have learned to believe my gut when a designer, sent to us by another Sir Speedy "because their press was down" and wanting another two-sided painted business card press proof because a Pantone swatch wasn't sufficient for her customer to visualize the color on a white background. I looked for every good reason to walk away, but the customer accepted my price, and off we went. Let me start by saying that she specificed "business card stock." Anoither red flag. I quoted the job (and supplied the spec detail) on 88# Strathmore cover bristol. We printed the cards with great care and they were dead-on perfect. Called the customer for payment (I had not requested a deposit out of deference to her relationship with the other Sir Speedy had said she was a good customer); she said that when she got the cards, *if* they were okay, she'd send a check in 30 days. She proceeded to pay by Amex when I told her I wouldn't ship them until they were paid for, but that I stood behind our work. A week went by during which I shied away from making a follow-up call. The first call from her was that *one* of the two names (printed in signature) was crooked. Funny that it was only one. And that all of our samples were perfect. She wanted to send me a sample and balked when I told her she'd have to send *all* the cards back if she expected a reprint. No response. Friday, I got a call from her saying that her customer called to tell her that the cards were "curling up like potato chips." She repeated the phrase more than once. Her customer wouldn't pay for them, and if he wouldn't she wouldn't. I took a stance and said that I would keep an open mind until I saw the badly curled cards, but that it sounded to me like she had a difficult customer, but that it was *hers* and that her responsibility was to me. I.e., if her customer unreasonably withheld payment from her, she was still on the hook to us. Today, the cards came back. One lot in a topless box, the other wiuth box intact. One box contained a single card that had been bent, apprently by hand, and two others similarly bent, but less so. The remainder of the box, and all of the second box are as perfect and flat as can be. The designer said the printing was "awsome" [sic], but that the stock was "not right." She wants them heavier, but, of course, never spec'd anything other than "business card stock," and had been told the stock in writing on the quotation. There is no cause to reprint (especiallly not to save the customer for future "lifetime value" ). I know she'll dispute the Amex charge. What would you do next? I'm not sure I can keep my cool in a conversation with her. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3428 (20080909) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From sos at olympus.net Tue Sep 9 13:27:10 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Sep 9 13:29:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Difficult customer of the month References: <98f5b19a0809091014t24d56e3o47ac72917b5d3692@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <137F111F78AF4BB18AAEFC9B29F14403@DANIEL> > What would you do next? I'm not sure I can keep my cool in a conversation > with her. ===================== Like Sm?agol told Gollum, "Go away and never come back." Or maybe, tell her, "Next time we print these, you should probably specify a heavier stock." Or like the song says, "Stand your ground and don't back down." Of course that's easy to say at a distance, and I know you'll use your own good judgment, but I'd tell her to get lost. Even here in a very small town, about the size of Wasilla, where each and every customer is precious, I'd tell her to go away. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From communicar at aol.com Tue Sep 9 13:32:04 2008 From: communicar at aol.com (communicar@aol.com) Date: Tue Sep 9 13:32:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Difficult customer of the month In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0809091014t24d56e3o47ac72917b5d3692@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0809091014t24d56e3o47ac72917b5d3692@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CAE0B91B499FDB-710-394A@webmail-nd17.sysops.aol.com> Write/email her pretty much what you just told us. Point out she did not specify a stock but you did. She accepted your spec and that's what you printed. If her customer is the one who is complaining, and she did not clarify the details with them, it's her problem, but to help her out you'll offer a XX% discount on the reprint, prepaid, of course, as per your normal company policy for these types of incidents. Start collecting all the documentation you have to refute her claim when she disputes the charge with AMEX. Since it will be her word against yours, you'll need as much in writing as possible. Take a deep breath, flush, and move on to your good customers. What's done is done.? Oh, and don't forget to send the other Sir Speedy a Thank You note . Ken Azebu Communicart Graphics & Printing 499 Aldo Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408) 970-0922 (408) 970-8630 Fax -----Original Message----- From: Michael Vogel To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:14 am Subject: [PrintOwners] Difficult customer of the month ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I'm not sure I can write this with my blood boiling as it is, but... You'd think that after 34 years, I'd have learned to believe my gut when a designer, sent to us by another Sir Speedy "because their press was down" and wanting another two-sided painted business card press proof because a Pantone swatch wasn't sufficient for=2 0her customer to visualize the color on a white background. I looked for every good reason to walk away, but the customer accepted my price, and off we went. Let me start by saying that she specificed "business card stock." Anoither red flag. I quoted the job (and supplied the spec detail) on 88# Strathmore cover bristol. We printed the cards with great care and they were dead-on perfect. Called the customer for payment (I had not requested a deposit out of deference to her relationship with the other Sir Speedy had said she was a good customer); she said that when she got the cards, *if* they were okay, she'd send a check in 30 days. She proceeded to pay by Amex when I told her I wouldn't ship them until they were paid for, but that I stood behind our work. A week went by during which I shied away from making a follow-up call. The first call from her was that *one* of the two names (printed in signature) was crooked. Funny that it was only one. And that all of our samples were perfect. She wanted to send me a sample and balked when I told her she'd have to send *all* the cards back if she expected a reprint. No response. Friday, I got a call from her saying that her customer called to tell her that the cards were "curling up like potato chips." She repeated the phrase more than once. Her customer wouldn't pay for them, and if he wouldn't she wouldn't. I took a stance and said that I would keep an open mind until I saw the badly curled cards, but that it20sounded to me like she had a difficult customer, but that it was *hers* and that her responsibility was to me. I.e., if her customer unreasonably withheld payment from her, she was still on the hook to us. Today, the cards came back. One lot in a topless box, the other wiuth box intact. One box contained a single card that had been bent, apprently by hand, and two others similarly bent, but less so. The remainder of the box, and all of the second box are as perfect and flat as can be. The designer said the printing was "awsome" [sic], but that the stock was "not right." She wants them heavier, but, of course, never spec'd anything other than "business card stock," and had been told the stock in writing on the quotation. There is no cause to reprint (especiallly not to save the customer for future "lifetime value" ). I know she'll dispute the Amex charge. What would you do next? I'm not sure I can keep my cool in a conversation with her. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From tufelkinder at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 13:34:14 2008 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Tue Sep 9 13:34:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Difficult customer of the month In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0809091014t24d56e3o47ac72917b5d3692@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0809091014t24d56e3o47ac72917b5d3692@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0809091034j2e025409q292d141b59c3ff19@mail.gmail.com> Offer conciliation by shared responsibility -- maybe offer to reprint at half price or an otherwise negotiated rate. "We understand that you'd like a heavier stock and we're sorry you're disappointed with the finished product when they turned out so beautifully, however we'll be will to reprint the project for you at cost... yadda yadda..." Maybe helpful... :-) Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ The best way out is always through. -- Robert Frost From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Sep 9 13:42:41 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Sep 9 13:43:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Budget Image Libraries In-Reply-To: <48C69C82.8010708@copycats.com> References: <48C6915F.9030401@newhavenprint.com> <48C69C82.8010708@copycats.com> Message-ID: <8CAE0BA981394D3-568-1713@webmail-me02.sysops.aol.com> We use Istock very affordable with lots of selections Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stor To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:55 am Subject: [PrintOwners] Budget Image Libraries ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? I have a customer who is balking at the prices for royalty-free images from Jupiter (in the $3-400 range).? ? Does anyone know of a budget-minded alternative?? ? Thanks,? Bob Stor? Copycats? New York, NY? 212-557-2111 x20? www.copycats.com? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com Tue Sep 9 14:14:16 2008 From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat) Date: Tue Sep 9 14:14:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Difficult customer of the month In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0809091014t24d56e3o47ac72917b5d3692@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0809091014t24d56e3o47ac72917b5d3692@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Michael, Is the other Sir Speedy your friend? It sounds to me that he passed the problem to somebody else. If the job was based on specs she provided, and you have done the job correctly then you are not liable for a reprint. She is responsible to her customer for not taking the specs well from the beginning, not your problem. If she wants to redo the cards with another paper maybe give her a break on the reprint, but definitely charge her full price for the initial run. Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com From greg at pressexpress.org Tue Sep 9 14:35:29 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Tue Sep 9 14:35:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Difficult customer of the month In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0809091014t24d56e3o47ac72917b5d3692@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0809091014t24d56e3o47ac72917b5d3692@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1E8F5318-A423-45E6-9F36-A45484D8D4EE@pressexpress.org> Since the cards are so drastically defective, recall them and politely explain that it appears that you are not the shop for them. Or that the level of expectations are beyond being reasonable. In other words, fire em. Greg On Sep 9, 2008, at 12:14 PM, Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'm not sure I can write this with my blood boiling as it is, but... > > You'd think that after 34 years, I'd have learned to believe my gut > when a > designer, sent to us by another Sir Speedy "because their press was > down" > and wanting another two-sided painted business card press proof > because a > Pantone swatch wasn't sufficient for her customer to visualize the > color on > a white background. I looked for every good reason to walk away, but > the > customer accepted my price, and off we went. > > Let me start by saying that she specificed "business card stock." > Anoither > red flag. I quoted the job (and supplied the spec detail) on 88# > Strathmore > cover bristol. We printed the cards with great care and they were > dead-on > perfect. Called the customer for payment (I had not requested a > deposit out > of deference to her relationship with the other Sir Speedy had said > she was > a good customer); she said that when she got the cards, *if* they > were okay, > she'd send a check in 30 days. She proceeded to pay by Amex when I > told her > I wouldn't ship them until they were paid for, but that I stood > behind our > work. > > A week went by during which I shied away from making a follow-up > call. The > first call from her was that *one* of the two names (printed in > signature) > was crooked. Funny that it was only one. And that all of our samples > were > perfect. She wanted to send me a sample and balked when I told her > she'd > have to send *all* the cards back if she expected a reprint. No > response. > Friday, I got a call from her saying that her customer called to > tell her > that the cards were "curling up like potato chips." She repeated the > phrase > more than once. Her customer wouldn't pay for them, and if he > wouldn't she > wouldn't. I took a stance and said that I would keep an open mind > until I > saw the badly curled cards, but that it sounded to me like she had a > difficult customer, but that it was *hers* and that her > responsibility was > to me. I.e., if her customer unreasonably withheld payment from her, > she was > still on the hook to us. > > Today, the cards came back. One lot in a topless box, the other > wiuth box > intact. One box contained a single card that had been bent, > apprently by > hand, and two others similarly bent, but less so. The remainder of > the box, > and all of the second box are as perfect and flat as can be. > > The designer said the printing was "awsome" [sic], but that the > stock was > "not right." She wants them heavier, but, of course, never spec'd > anything > other than "business card stock," and had been told the stock in > writing on > the quotation. There is no cause to reprint (especiallly not to save > the > customer for future "lifetime value" ). I know she'll dispute the > Amex > charge. > > What would you do next? I'm not sure I can keep my cool in a > conversation > with her. > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Sir Francis Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From hal at pickimp.com Tue Sep 9 14:47:34 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Tue Sep 9 14:45:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Difficult customer of the month References: <98f5b19a0809091014t24d56e3o47ac72917b5d3692@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002701c912ac$88db0620$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Well Mike, if it were me I'd dance with her as long as possible and when the band quits playing I'd have someone call your "friend" and see if his press is working. Tell her that you sent the art to your friend and he will print it for her. I would NOT throw more good money at this job. Her experience in her mind will always be that you had to do the job twice to get it right. It reminds me of helping someone out with a super-rush job, they only learn that you can meet impossible deadlines otherwise they go elsewhere. You're just good for rush jobs. Hal From rstor at copycats.com Tue Sep 9 14:56:09 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Tue Sep 9 14:57:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Difficult customer of the month In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0809091014t24d56e3o47ac72917b5d3692@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0809091014t24d56e3o47ac72917b5d3692@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C6C6C9.7010905@copycats.com> The job is toast and it sounds like the customer will not be someone that you can or want to keep. The only salvageable thing here is to stop her from spreading bad news about you to her designer friends. I would take back the cards, refund the money, and say something like "I'm sorry that we are not able to meet your expectations. I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors." Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'm not sure I can write this with my blood boiling as it is, but... > > You'd think that after 34 years, I'd have learned to believe my gut when a > designer, sent to us by another Sir Speedy "because their press was down" > and wanting another two-sided painted business card press proof because a > Pantone swatch wasn't sufficient for her customer to visualize the color on > a white background. I looked for every good reason to walk away, but the > customer accepted my price, and off we went. > > Let me start by saying that she specificed "business card stock." Anoither > red flag. I quoted the job (and supplied the spec detail) on 88# Strathmore > cover bristol. We printed the cards with great care and they were dead-on > perfect. Called the customer for payment (I had not requested a deposit out > of deference to her relationship with the other Sir Speedy had said she was > a good customer); she said that when she got the cards, *if* they were okay, > she'd send a check in 30 days. She proceeded to pay by Amex when I told her > I wouldn't ship them until they were paid for, but that I stood behind our > work. > > A week went by during which I shied away from making a follow-up call. The > first call from her was that *one* of the two names (printed in signature) > was crooked. Funny that it was only one. And that all of our samples were > perfect. She wanted to send me a sample and balked when I told her she'd > have to send *all* the cards back if she expected a reprint. No response. > Friday, I got a call from her saying that her customer called to tell her > that the cards were "curling up like potato chips." She repeated the phrase > more than once. Her customer wouldn't pay for them, and if he wouldn't she > wouldn't. I took a stance and said that I would keep an open mind until I > saw the badly curled cards, but that it sounded to me like she had a > difficult customer, but that it was *hers* and that her responsibility was > to me. I.e., if her customer unreasonably withheld payment from her, she was > still on the hook to us. > > Today, the cards came back. One lot in a topless box, the other wiuth box > intact. One box contained a single card that had been bent, apprently by > hand, and two others similarly bent, but less so. The remainder of the box, > and all of the second box are as perfect and flat as can be. > > The designer said the printing was "awsome" [sic], but that the stock was > "not right." She wants them heavier, but, of course, never spec'd anything > other than "business card stock," and had been told the stock in writing on > the quotation. There is no cause to reprint (especiallly not to save the > customer for future "lifetime value" ). I know she'll dispute the Amex > charge. > > What would you do next? I'm not sure I can keep my cool in a conversation > with her. > > > From jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com Tue Sep 9 15:03:43 2008 From: jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com (Jim Quinn) Date: Tue Sep 9 15:06:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Difficult customer of the month In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0809091014t24d56e3o47ac72917b5d3692@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'd just go ahead & re-do the job, with her picking out the business card stock this time, and me getting paid. Then I could forget about it. If she ever ordered again, I'd probably tell her we were just too busy, all booked up. Jim Quinn Sir Speedy 4043 15323 Midway Road Addison, TX 75001 Phone 972-788-4266 Fax 972-788-2367 jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:14 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Difficult customer of the month ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I'm not sure I can write this with my blood boiling as it is, but... You'd think that after 34 years, I'd have learned to believe my gut when a designer, sent to us by another Sir Speedy "because their press was down" and wanting another two-sided painted business card press proof because a Pantone swatch wasn't sufficient for her customer to visualize the color on a white background. I looked for every good reason to walk away, but the customer accepted my price, and off we went. Let me start by saying that she specificed "business card stock." Anoither red flag. I quoted the job (and supplied the spec detail) on 88# Strathmore cover bristol. We printed the cards with great care and they were dead-on perfect. Called the customer for payment (I had not requested a deposit out of deference to her relationship with the other Sir Speedy had said she was a good customer); she said that when she got the cards, *if* they were okay, she'd send a check in 30 days. She proceeded to pay by Amex when I told her I wouldn't ship them until they were paid for, but that I stood behind our work. A week went by during which I shied away from making a follow-up call. The first call from her was that *one* of the two names (printed in signature) was crooked. Funny that it was only one. And that all of our samples were perfect. She wanted to send me a sample and balked when I told her she'd have to send *all* the cards back if she expected a reprint. No response. Friday, I got a call from her saying that her customer called to tell her that the cards were "curling up like potato chips." She repeated the phrase more than once. Her customer wouldn't pay for them, and if he wouldn't she wouldn't. I took a stance and said that I would keep an open mind until I saw the badly curled cards, but that it sounded to me like she had a difficult customer, but that it was *hers* and that her responsibility was to me. I.e., if her customer unreasonably withheld payment from her, she was still on the hook to us. Today, the cards came back. One lot in a topless box, the other wiuth box intact. One box contained a single card that had been bent, apprently by hand, and two others similarly bent, but less so. The remainder of the box, and all of the second box are as perfect and flat as can be. The designer said the printing was "awsome" [sic], but that the stock was "not right." She wants them heavier, but, of course, never spec'd anything other than "business card stock," and had been told the stock in writing on the quotation. There is no cause to reprint (especiallly not to save the customer for future "lifetime value" ). I know she'll dispute the Amex charge. What would you do next? I'm not sure I can keep my cool in a conversation with her. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From steveprint at aol.com Tue Sep 9 15:21:23 2008 From: steveprint at aol.com (StevePrint) Date: Tue Sep 9 15:20:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Difficult customer of the month In-Reply-To: <48C6C6C9.7010905@copycats.com> References: <98f5b19a0809091014t24d56e3o47ac72917b5d3692@mail.gmail.com>, <48C6C6C9.7010905@copycats.com> Message-ID: <621b75e2.4aef.40ac.8920.348ddd9de2eb@aol.com> The 88lb Strathmore is a Pasted Sheet which has a tendency to curl. I would suggest that the job could be done on 16 point as CMYK. Offer this as an option to customer. Contact: PartnerPrinting.com It probably won't be that expensive doing it that way. If customer says no, you at least presented an option before sending them on their way. Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting In a message dated 09/09/08 11:59:39 Pacific Daylight Time, rstor@copycats.com writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The job is toast and it sounds like the customer will not be someone that you can or want to keep. The only salvageable thing here is to stop her from spreading bad news about you to her designer friends. I would take back the cards, refund the money, and say something like "I'm sorry that we are not able to meet your expectations. I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors." Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'm not sure I can write this with my blood boiling as it is, but... > > You'd think that after 34 years, I'd have learned to believe my gut when a > designer, sent to us by another Sir Speedy "because their press was down" > and wanting another two-sided painted business card press proof because a > Pantone swatch wasn't sufficient for her customer to visualize the color on > a white background. I looked for every good reason to walk away, but the > customer accepted my price, and off we went. > > Let me start by saying that she specificed "business card stock." Anoither > red flag. I quoted the job (and supplied the spec detail) on 88# Strathmore > cover bristol. We printed the cards with great care and they were dead-on > perfect. Called the customer for payment (I had not requested a deposit out > of deference to her relationship with the other Sir Speedy had said she was > a good customer); she said that when she got the cards, *if* they were okay, > she'd send a check in 30 days. She proceeded to pay by Amex when I told her > I wouldn't ship them until they were paid for, but that I stood behind our > work. > > A week went by during which I shied away from making a follow-up call. The > first call from her was that *one* of the two names (printed in signature) > was crooked. Funny that it was only one. And that all of our samples were > perfect. She wanted to send me a sample and balked when I told her she'd > have to send *all* the cards back if she expected a reprint. No response. > Friday, I got a call from her saying that her customer called to tell her > that the cards were "curling up like potato chips." She repeated the phrase > more than once. Her customer wouldn't pay for them, and if he wouldn't she > wouldn't. I took a stance and said that I would keep an open mind until I > saw the badly curled cards, but that it sounded to me like she had a > difficult customer, but that it was *hers* and that her responsibility was > to me. I.e., if her customer unreasonably withheld payment from her, she was > still on the hook to us. > > Today, the cards came back. One lot in a topless box, the other wiuth box > intact. One box contained a single card that had been bent, apprently by > hand, and two others similarly bent, but less so. The remainder of the box, > and all of the second box are as perfect and flat as can be. > > The designer said the printing was "awsome" [sic], but that the stock was > "not right." She wants them heavier, but, of course, never spec'd anything > other than "business card stock," and had been told the stock in writing on > the quotation. There is no cause to reprint (especiallly not to save the > customer for future "lifetime value" ). I know she'll dispute the Amex > charge. > > What would you do next? I'm not sure I can keep my cool in a conversation > with her. > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Tue Sep 9 15:48:45 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Tue Sep 9 15:49:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HIPPA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32DAC0CA-7C47-4007-BB32-B51CB28C4365@inkonpaper.biz> Since I haven't seen any other response to your request I will I have not gone through any certification process. However, I'm curious about what you do that may fall under HIPPA Are you handling medical records? or billing? On Sep 9, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Bernard Bahn wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Has anyone gone through this certification process? Do you need a > consultant > to get it done or can it be done in a more cost-effective manner? Any > insight into this process or possible costs would be helpful. Thanks. > > > Respectfully, > > > > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc > 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 > > Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | > bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com > > http://www.creativeimaginginc.com > Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." - Plato From tomk at kingprintingonline.com Tue Sep 9 16:07:30 2008 From: tomk at kingprintingonline.com (Tom King) Date: Tue Sep 9 16:08:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Difficult customer of the month In-Reply-To: <621b75e2.4aef.40ac.8920.348ddd9de2eb@aol.com> References: <98f5b19a0809091014t24d56e3o47ac72917b5d3692@mail.gmail.com> <48C6C6C9.7010905@copycats.com> <621b75e2.4aef.40ac.8920.348ddd9de2eb@aol.com> Message-ID: <000701c912b7$b0745960$115d0c20$@com> Say a little prayer of thanks if this was the worst thing that happened to you in the month. One set of business cards isn't worth worrying about. Me, I'd tell her I was sorry I couldn't satisfy her high standards, give her a full refund then get on with my life. No way would I pour more money into the job. Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From tims_printowner at schreurprinting.com Tue Sep 9 16:18:22 2008 From: tims_printowner at schreurprinting.com (Tim PrintOwner) Date: Tue Sep 9 16:20:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Budget Image Libraries In-Reply-To: <8CAE0BA981394D3-568-1713@webmail-me02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: For those who use these image sources, how are you charging for them? 5 bucks each 50 bucks...? Just wondering. Most times it's not the image so much as the time to find the right one. ----------- Tim Schreur President Schreur Printing - Since 1946 "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" P 616-392-4405 F 616-392-4296 w www.schreurprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: Tommy Melendez [mailto:copythatnyc@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 1:43 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Budget Image Libraries We use Istock very affordable with lots of selections Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stor To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:55 am Subject: [PrintOwners] Budget Image Libraries ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a customer who is balking at the prices for royalty-free images from Jupiter (in the $3-400 range). Does anyone know of a budget-minded alternative? Thanks, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue Sep 9 16:23:50 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Tue Sep 9 16:23:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Difficult customer of the month In-Reply-To: <1E8F5318-A423-45E6-9F36-A45484D8D4EE@pressexpress.org> References: <98f5b19a0809091014t24d56e3o47ac72917b5d3692@mail.gmail.com> <1E8F5318-A423-45E6-9F36-A45484D8D4EE@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: <00f201c912b9$f8a962f0$6401a8c0@coranew> I agree with Greg and others....Fire her!!!! She will cause you nothing but aggravation and nothing is worth that. Wonder if the other Sir Speedy had problems with her also. I find that when I have a problem, it is usually with a woman customer....grrrrr!!! I had a printer in a small town (a man) that ordered business cards, but there was always something wrong with them. The first time I redid them, but the second order he came in with had a different problem, color not exactly on, etc. I told him to go find another printer that we didn't seem to be suited to each other. In talking to other printers, I guess he pulled that on everyone that he could. That way he got two orders for the price of one. I heard he is about ready to go out of business. Too bad Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 1:35 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Difficult customer of the month ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Since the cards are so drastically defective, recall them and politely explain that it appears that you are not the shop for them. Or that the level of expectations are beyond being reasonable. In other words, fire em. Greg On Sep 9, 2008, at 12:14 PM, Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'm not sure I can write this with my blood boiling as it is, but... > > You'd think that after 34 years, I'd have learned to believe my gut > when a > designer, sent to us by another Sir Speedy "because their press was > down" > and wanting another two-sided painted business card press proof > because a > Pantone swatch wasn't sufficient for her customer to visualize the > color on > a white background. I looked for every good reason to walk away, but > the > customer accepted my price, and off we went. > > Let me start by saying that she specificed "business card stock." > Anoither > red flag. I quoted the job (and supplied the spec detail) on 88# > Strathmore > cover bristol. We printed the cards with great care and they were > dead-on > perfect. Called the customer for payment (I had not requested a > deposit out > of deference to her relationship with the other Sir Speedy had said > she was > a good customer); she said that when she got the cards, *if* they > were okay, > she'd send a check in 30 days. She proceeded to pay by Amex when I > told her > I wouldn't ship them until they were paid for, but that I stood > behind our > work. > > A week went by during which I shied away from making a follow-up > call. The > first call from her was that *one* of the two names (printed in > signature) > was crooked. Funny that it was only one. And that all of our samples > were > perfect. She wanted to send me a sample and balked when I told her > she'd > have to send *all* the cards back if she expected a reprint. No > response. > Friday, I got a call from her saying that her customer called to > tell her > that the cards were "curling up like potato chips." She repeated the > phrase > more than once. Her customer wouldn't pay for them, and if he > wouldn't she > wouldn't. I took a stance and said that I would keep an open mind > until I > saw the badly curled cards, but that it sounded to me like she had a > difficult customer, but that it was *hers* and that her > responsibility was > to me. I.e., if her customer unreasonably withheld payment from her, > she was > still on the hook to us. > > Today, the cards came back. One lot in a topless box, the other > wiuth box > intact. One box contained a single card that had been bent, > apprently by > hand, and two others similarly bent, but less so. The remainder of > the box, > and all of the second box are as perfect and flat as can be. > > The designer said the printing was "awsome" [sic], but that the > stock was > "not right." She wants them heavier, but, of course, never spec'd > anything > other than "business card stock," and had been told the stock in > writing on > the quotation. There is no cause to reprint (especiallly not to save > the > customer for future "lifetime value" ). I know she'll dispute the > Amex > charge. > > What would you do next? I'm not sure I can keep my cool in a > conversation > with her. > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Sir Francis Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3429 (20080909) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From ron at printingconcepts.com Tue Sep 9 16:32:38 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Tue Sep 9 16:32:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Difficult customer of the month In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Moral of this story is that there are some difficult people who you will never be able to make money with, no matter what. They don't know what they want until you actually produce it and then use you as a scapegoat for their own . We just picked up a skid from a web printer and it fell over in our truck (poor packing). When we told the customer we had to charge for restacking the skid (1.5 hours) they hit the ceiling and said it was our fault for not informing the web printer how we wanted to have the skid stacked. We also should have given them the opportunity to come to our plant and restack it themselves. We sent them a polite letter telling them we have consistently failed to deliver the service they deserve (he he, the truth), and they will be better off looking for another mailer. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons" "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, and of the merchants a merchant." RALPH WALDO EMERSON Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Charles A. Lincoln Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 1:22 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Difficult customer of the month ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Sep 9, 2008, at 9:14 AM, Michael Vogel wrote: > > The designer said the printing was "awsome" [sic], but that the > stock was > "not right." She wants them heavier, but, of course, never spec'd > anything > other than "business card stock," and had been told the stock in > writing on > the quotation. There is no cause to reprint (especiallly not to save > the > customer for future "lifetime value" ). I know she'll dispute the > Amex > charge. > > What would you do next? I'm not sure I can keep my cool in a > conversation > with her. REPLY: Redo them however she wants, then wash your hands from this customer. Lesson: Always show the customer the paper sample and get them to sign off... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From keli at parchmentpress.net Tue Sep 9 16:43:19 2008 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Tue Sep 9 16:43:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Budget Image Libraries In-Reply-To: <48C69C82.8010708@copycats.com> References: <48C6915F.9030401@newhavenprint.com> <48C69C82.8010708@copycats.com> Message-ID: <48C6DFE7.3090804@parchmentpress.net> and then there is... http://www.sxc.hu Stock.XCHNG, the leading FREE stock photo site! thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Parchment Press is a cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes. To learn more about our community please go here... http://www.twelvetribes.com Robert Stor wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > I have a customer who is balking at the prices for royalty-free images > from Jupiter (in the $3-400 range). > > Does anyone know of a budget-minded alternative? > > Thanks, > Bob Stor > Copycats > New York, NY > 212-557-2111 x20 > www.copycats.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From falconprinting at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 16:48:44 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Tue Sep 9 16:49:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Trade 4-color In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Does anyone have an online/trade soure that will print thinner business cards? 3.5 by either 1.75 or 1.5? Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com From sos at olympus.net Tue Sep 9 16:54:15 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Sep 9 16:56:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Trade 4-color References: Message-ID: > Does anyone have an online/trade soure that will print thinner business > cards? 3.5 by either 1.75 or 1.5? ===================== I'd just order them 3.5 x 2 and then trim them myself. By the way, BCs in England are all 3.5 x 2.25. I got a 3.5 x 1.5 one the other day. It's a little different and does stand out. I guess everyone has electronic info on everyone and doesn't keep a rolladex anymore, because those cards would never work in a rolodex. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From steveprint at aol.com Tue Sep 9 17:10:24 2008 From: steveprint at aol.com (StevePrint) Date: Tue Sep 9 17:09:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Trade 4-color In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <81ba20da.7393.4891.bf1f.5032c8ad9dd6@aol.com> We use Partner Printing. Pay for 3.5 x 2 send file with crops and they cut to your specs. www.partnerprinting.com Use code H855FPDPX and get a 15% discount till Sept. 30. Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting In a message dated 09/09/08 13:49:25 Pacific Daylight Time, falconprinting@gmail.com writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does anyone have an online/trade soure that will print thinner business cards? 3.5 by either 1.75 or 1.5? Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From hal at pickimp.com Tue Sep 9 17:18:35 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Tue Sep 9 17:16:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Difficult customer of the month References: <98f5b19a0809091014t24d56e3o47ac72917b5d3692@mail.gmail.com><1E8F5318-A423-45E6-9F36-A45484D8D4EE@pressexpress.org> <00f201c912b9$f8a962f0$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <001e01c912c1$a263b000$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Surely no one would reprint without receiving the rejects first. Hal From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue Sep 9 17:20:55 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Tue Sep 9 17:20:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Difficult customer of the month In-Reply-To: <001e01c912c1$a263b000$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> References: <98f5b19a0809091014t24d56e3o47ac72917b5d3692@mail.gmail.com><1E8F5318-A423-45E6-9F36-A45484D8D4EE@pressexpress.org><00f201c912b9$f8a962f0$6401a8c0@coranew> <001e01c912c1$a263b000$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <011601c912c1$f2429e10$6401a8c0@coranew> I did ONCE, not any more. It was only for 500 cards and he was a fellow printer Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Hal Wendt Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 4:19 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Difficult customer of the month ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Surely no one would reprint without receiving the rejects first. Hal _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3429 (20080909) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Tue Sep 9 17:24:52 2008 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Tue Sep 9 17:25:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HIPPA In-Reply-To: <32DAC0CA-7C47-4007-BB32-B51CB28C4365@inkonpaper.biz> Message-ID: I'm looking into HIPPA so I can work with Medical Insurance providers, their databases, and their documents. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Loren Maurina Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 2:49 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] HIPPA ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Since I haven't seen any other response to your request I will I have not gone through any certification process. However, I'm curious about what you do that may fall under HIPPA Are you handling medical records? or billing? On Sep 9, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Bernard Bahn wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Has anyone gone through this certification process? Do you need a > consultant > to get it done or can it be done in a more cost-effective manner? Any > insight into this process or possible costs would be helpful. Thanks. > > > Respectfully, > > > > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc > 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 > > Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | > bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com > > http://www.creativeimaginginc.com > Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." - Plato _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.18/1658 - Release Date: 9/7/2008 3:30 PM From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Sep 9 17:30:48 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Sep 9 17:31:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Budget Image Libraries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CAE0DA761F2169-8D0-562@webmail-me02.sysops.aol.com> Our charges are as follows with Istock. 1 credit - $3 3 credits - $9 5 credits - $12 10 credits - $20 Of course this doesn't include any set-up's. John Giles always says that this area is usually a black hole (DTP) in some print operations. Well, this is the one area that I know we are making money at. The print & copying section is a whole other story. Thanks to Tulin today, she has opened my eyes to Loss of revenue in my P.P. set-up's. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Tim PrintOwner To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 4:18 pm Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Budget Image Libraries ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** For those who use these image sources, how are you charging for them? 5 bucks each 50 bucks...? Just wondering. Most times it's not the image so much as the time to find the right one. ----------- Tim Schreur President Schreur Printing - Since 1946 "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" P 616-392-4405 F 616-392-4296 w www.schreurprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: Tommy Melendez [mailto:copythatnyc@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 1:43 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Budget Image Libraries We use Istock very affordable with lots of selections Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stor To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:55 am Subject: [PrintOwners] Budget Image Libraries ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a customer who is balking at the prices for royalty-free images from Jupiter (in the $3-400 range). Does anyone know of a budget-minded alternative? Thanks, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From greg at pressexpress.org Tue Sep 9 18:02:54 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Tue Sep 9 18:03:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Difficult customer of the month In-Reply-To: <00f201c912b9$f8a962f0$6401a8c0@coranew> References: <98f5b19a0809091014t24d56e3o47ac72917b5d3692@mail.gmail.com> <1E8F5318-A423-45E6-9F36-A45484D8D4EE@pressexpress.org> <00f201c912b9$f8a962f0$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: I thought franchises are suppose to be a "tight knit" community, with some kind of inner network chat like this one warning of other fellow franchisers of aggravation clients, businesses that stiffed them, bounced checks, etc...? That would be in the best interest of corporate since they get commission on sales. Tough for corporate to get commission when two franchisors are referring problem accounts to one another. Greg On Sep 9, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Cora Purvine wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I agree with Greg and others....Fire her!!!! > > She will cause you nothing but aggravation and nothing is worth > that. Wonder > if the other Sir Speedy had problems with her also. I find that when > I have > a problem, it is usually with a woman customer....grrrrr!!! > > I had a printer in a small town (a man) that ordered business cards, > but > there was always something wrong with them. The first time I redid > them, but > the second order he came in with had a different problem, color not > exactly > on, etc. > > I told him to go find another printer that we didn't seem to be > suited to > each other. > > In talking to other printers, I guess he pulled that on everyone > that he > could. That way he got two orders for the price of one. I heard he > is about > ready to go out of business. Too bad > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora and Bernie Purvine > 5801 W. Juno Street > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > (316) 522-0733 > (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) > cpurvine1@cox.net > Microsoft Service Provider > Member NAQP > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 1:35 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Difficult customer of the month > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Since the cards are so drastically defective, recall them and politely > explain that it appears that you are not the shop for them. Or that > the level of expectations are beyond being reasonable. > > In other words, fire em. > > Greg > > > On Sep 9, 2008, at 12:14 PM, Michael Vogel wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I'm not sure I can write this with my blood boiling as it is, but... >> >> You'd think that after 34 years, I'd have learned to believe my gut >> when a >> designer, sent to us by another Sir Speedy "because their press was >> down" >> and wanting another two-sided painted business card press proof >> because a >> Pantone swatch wasn't sufficient for her customer to visualize the >> color on >> a white background. I looked for every good reason to walk away, but >> the >> customer accepted my price, and off we went. >> >> Let me start by saying that she specificed "business card stock." >> Anoither >> red flag. I quoted the job (and supplied the spec detail) on 88# >> Strathmore >> cover bristol. We printed the cards with great care and they were >> dead-on >> perfect. Called the customer for payment (I had not requested a >> deposit out >> of deference to her relationship with the other Sir Speedy had said >> she was >> a good customer); she said that when she got the cards, *if* they >> were okay, >> she'd send a check in 30 days. She proceeded to pay by Amex when I >> told her >> I wouldn't ship them until they were paid for, but that I stood >> behind our >> work. >> >> A week went by during which I shied away from making a follow-up >> call. The >> first call from her was that *one* of the two names (printed in >> signature) >> was crooked. Funny that it was only one. And that all of our samples >> were >> perfect. She wanted to send me a sample and balked when I told her >> she'd >> have to send *all* the cards back if she expected a reprint. No >> response. >> Friday, I got a call from her saying that her customer called to >> tell her >> that the cards were "curling up like potato chips." She repeated the >> phrase >> more than once. Her customer wouldn't pay for them, and if he >> wouldn't she >> wouldn't. I took a stance and said that I would keep an open mind >> until I >> saw the badly curled cards, but that it sounded to me like she had a >> difficult customer, but that it was *hers* and that her >> responsibility was >> to me. I.e., if her customer unreasonably withheld payment from her, >> she was >> still on the hook to us. >> >> Today, the cards came back. One lot in a topless box, the other >> wiuth box >> intact. One box contained a single card that had been bent, >> apprently by >> hand, and two others similarly bent, but less so. The remainder of >> the box, >> and all of the second box are as perfect and flat as can be. >> >> The designer said the printing was "awsome" [sic], but that the >> stock was >> "not right." She wants them heavier, but, of course, never spec'd >> anything >> other than "business card stock," and had been told the stock in >> writing on >> the quotation. There is no cause to reprint (especiallly not to save >> the >> customer for future "lifetime value" ). I know she'll dispute the >> Amex >> charge. >> >> What would you do next? I'm not sure I can keep my cool in a >> conversation >> with her. >> >> >> -- >> Michael Vogel >> Sir Speedy Printing >> 9 Research Drive >> Milford, CT 06460 >> tel 203-877-1231 >> fax 203-878-2679 >> mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com >> www.eSirSpeedy.com >> >> ==================================== >> Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to >> criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. >> ~Sir Francis Bacon >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. > > > > > Press Express > 1869 N. Stevens St. > Rhinelander, WI 54501 > Phone 715-362-2828 > Fax 715-369-2828 > info@pressexpress.org > > Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider > Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3429 (20080909) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From brianoday at eprint.us Tue Sep 9 19:30:00 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Tue Sep 9 19:34:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Difficult customer of the month In-Reply-To: <000701c912b7$b0745960$115d0c20$@com> References: <98f5b19a0809091014t24d56e3o47ac72917b5d3692@mail.gmail.com><48C6C6C9.7010905@copycats.com><621b75e2.4aef.40ac.8920.348ddd9de2eb@aol.com> <000701c912b7$b0745960$115d0c20$@com> Message-ID: <007701c912d3$fac05d40$800101df@eprint.local> I totally agree with Tom. Refund her the money and tell you are sorry you can't meet her specs. You will never make her happy. Brian O'Day ePRINT 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland Oregon 97223 (503)684-2679 ? Brianoday@eprint.us ? www.eprint.us -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tom King Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 1:08 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Difficult customer of the month ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Say a little prayer of thanks if this was the worst thing that happened to you in the month. One set of business cards isn't worth worrying about. Me, I'd tell her I was sorry I couldn't satisfy her high standards, give her a full refund then get on with my life. No way would I pour more money into the job. Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From files at aloha4print.com Tue Sep 9 18:38:25 2008 From: files at aloha4print.com (Aloha Print & Copy, LLC) Date: Tue Sep 9 19:42:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HIPPA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32CF9D57-25D3-4520-9761-729133C4B524@aloha4print.com> Bernie, We have done jobs in the past which required us to sign a "HIPPA" contract basically stating we would not use or disburse any information within the database we had used to address their document. This contract was provided by the customer which was designed by their attorney. The first one, we had one of our attorneys look it over and he said it was "fine to sign." That was a cover your @$$ kind of thing. Nancy Denney Aloha Print & Copy, LLC 212 McMenamy Road St. Peters, MO 63376 636-397-8558 www.aloha4print.com On Sep 9, 2008, at 4:24 PM, Bernard Bahn wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'm looking into HIPPA so I can work with Medical Insurance > providers, their > databases, and their documents. > > Respectfully, > > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc > 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 > > Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | > bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com > > http://www.creativeimaginginc.com > Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Loren Maurina > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 2:49 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] HIPPA > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Since I haven't seen any other response to your request I will > > I have not gone through any certification process. > However, I'm curious about what you do that may fall under HIPPA > Are you handling medical records? or billing? > > On Sep 9, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Bernard Bahn wrote: > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Has anyone gone through this certification process? Do you need a >> consultant >> to get it done or can it be done in a more cost-effective manner? Any >> insight into this process or possible costs would be helpful. Thanks. >> >> >> Respectfully, >> >> >> >> Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc >> 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 >> >> Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | >> bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com >> >> http://www.creativeimaginginc.com >> Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > > Loren Maurina > President > L & L Printing, Inc. > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren > > ph (586) 263-0060 > fx (586) 263-4895 > > Loren@InkOnPaper.biz > > "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." - > Plato > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.18/1658 - Release Date: > 9/7/2008 > 3:30 PM > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 22:39:02 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue Sep 9 22:39:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Budget Image Libraries In-Reply-To: References: <8CAE0BA981394D3-568-1713@webmail-me02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620809091939n4f54874cxc7527c9e44be5558@mail.gmail.com> We generally charge around $40 - $50 for stock photography from Istockphoto. Our cost to find the image and more importantly the value of the image to the customer is much more than just a simple markup of the cost of the image. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Tim said: > For those who use these image sources, how are you > charging for them? 5 bucks each 50 bucks...? Just wondering. > Most times it's not the image so much as the time to find the right one. From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Wed Sep 10 00:18:15 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Wed Sep 10 00:18:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CS4 Message-ID: This doesn't sound even remotely worthwhile to upgrade to....here is some info hope there is some substance beyond what this article says. http://www.pdfzone.com/c/a/Authoring/Rumblings-on-New-Adobe-CS4-Possible-October-Release-and-Flash-Features/?kc=PZPDFEMNL09092008STR4 Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Sep 10 00:35:50 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Sep 10 00:38:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CS4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200809100437.m8A4buH4027727@i2bnetworks.com> Nobody who has really seen it should be commenting because we are all still under NDA. S. At 09:18 PM 9/9/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >This doesn't sound even remotely worthwhile to upgrade to....here is >some info hope there is some substance beyond what >this article says. > > > >http://www.pdfzone.com/c/a/Authoring/Rumblings-on-New-Adobe-CS4-Possible-October-Release-and-Flash-Features/?kc=PZPDFEMNL09092008STR4 > > > > > >Larry Taylor >Desert Pacific Printing >Tucson, AZ >520-745-8004 >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3430 (20080910) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Sep 10 01:49:01 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Sep 10 01:51:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printing Sales Question In-Reply-To: <7FA73A51815D4710865F967D63C14C7D@Crown.local> References: <8A361A96-C41A-4AF6-8E46-E3A89C173CC7@protypeonline.com> <83d5b9620809080753x8d25acpaf2c579abff00990@mail.gmail.com> <7FA73A51815D4710865F967D63C14C7D@Crown.local> Message-ID: <200809100551.m8A5p65B035877@i2bnetworks.com> We're up a little over 9% from last year. But I see a lot of weakness out there and most people are not up 9% in this market. We've had several major failures this year of long established printers that just could not hang on any longer. I do think it makes a difference of who you sell to and what your value proposition is. I think our growth this year has been mostly a function of the health and strength of the clients we went after and landed as accounts. I also would have to say that the quality of your accounts and the strength of your relationship with those accounts is the biggest insulator in times like these. S. At 08:13 AM 9/8/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >We sell printed products to every state mostly by catalog and have seen a >considerable decline in sales over the past several months. No increase in >internet sales either. > >Since we are broad based geographically we have not seen a decline since >1992 as the 2001 recession did not seem to be felt. > >The print industry experts say we have had a 7% decline from some of my >readings and the catalog experts say sales are down by at least 5%. > >We are at the end of August and down about 6% for the year but we had a 9% >price increase in February. > >What are you seeing in your area? > >Thank you > > >Charlie Counts >CROWNMAX, Inc. >2301 Roxalana Road >Dunbar, WV 25064 >1-800-252-40111 >www.crownmax.com > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3426 (20080908) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Sep 10 02:13:05 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Sep 10 02:15:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for a SIMPLE Proofing Work Flow Solution In-Reply-To: <84f70d5e0809090633l162510dfxb7bbd6feaf78ddc@mail.gmail.com > References: <8A361A96-C41A-4AF6-8E46-E3A89C173CC7@protypeonline.com> <83d5b9620809080753x8d25acpaf2c579abff00990@mail.gmail.com> <7FA73A51815D4710865F967D63C14C7D@Crown.local> <231BBB6BF67C4A8793C3E2FA1F3EDB7D@DANIEL> <01b001c911d8$b0d97820$128c6860$@com> <200809082310.m88NAC3L041752@i2bnetworks.com> <84f70d5e0809090633l162510dfxb7bbd6feaf78ddc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809100615.m8A6FAEp038275@i2bnetworks.com> The CSR should (in my opinion) be the main transactional contact with the client. I don't see the CSR as an intermediary. The salesperson is out there building relationships, building rapport, building business. The CSR helps this process by being the grease that keeps the gears moving via contact by phone, email, IM or fax. Prepress should focus on the technical aspects of getting files through to the output stage. People skills are not a personality type I have seen that correlates with highly skilled prepress types. There are always exceptions obviously, but prepress can get very technical and those staffers need to focus on their incredibly complex tasks. Phone calls seem to be a distraction to those goals. I know that my model is a bit different as well since I handle well over a million dollars in annual sales and have never hired a salesperson. But my structure allows me to take on the traditional role of salesperson because all the detail, and hand holding, and workflow is handled by staff that can focus on giving the client the best experience possible. If organized and properly structured, the CSR can be in the strongest position to nurture and manage the long term transactional relationship with the client freeing up the salesperson to be the primary strategic contact. S. At 06:33 AM 9/9/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > > > > Nobody in pre-press should be communicating with the client. > >Scott, > >Out of curiousity, why do you say this? I'm aware >that our company structure is somewhat different >from that of many companies out there* but how >does it benefit the customer or your company to >have an intermediary person involved in every >conversation with the customer? > >In our experience, that's been one of the number >one causes of delays in communication, as well >as mistakes causes by the inaccurate relay of >information/corrections, etc. > >Thanks, >Walt > > >* Different in that we have no outside salespeople or >CSRs, per se, so every prepress person works directly >with the client, in most cases. > > > >Mercersburg Printing >Mercersburg, PA >http://mercersburg.net >800-955-3902 >tufelkinder@gmail.com > > >-~ > > The best way out is always through. > -- Robert Frost >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3428 (20080909) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From dominick at fmtc.com Wed Sep 10 09:46:10 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Wed Sep 10 09:46:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PC Problem help Message-ID: <48C7CFA2.40108@fmtc.com> Is there a fix for this or is my system messed up for good? Running a PC with 2 gigs ram, Windows XP pro, all the usual software. Went to download a photo from a web site, and it would not do it. Just did nothing. Thinking it was the site, went to another one, and same. So I tried my music site, and bought a song, and it also will not download. The Download Manager does not open, and nothing happens. What more info do you need? This will become a problem when retreiving customer files shortly. Everything else seems to be normal. Thanks for your suggestions, Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com From John at mpcny.com Wed Sep 10 10:03:04 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Wed Sep 10 10:03:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lead type and cases Message-ID: <5D3A7D31A53249A0A54A61E444EAAA45@Leo4allPC> I have some old type banks and cases, is now a good time to get rid of them with metals up? Also who buys type lead at what price or should I just call the metal guys? John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From kellycrom at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 10:05:18 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Wed Sep 10 10:05:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PC Problem help In-Reply-To: <48C7CFA2.40108@fmtc.com> References: <48C7CFA2.40108@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <000301c9134e$42cb8220$c8628660$@com> Most obvious, but many times forgotten, did you try restarting your PC? If you did, did you try a System Restore to a point to when you knew you could download? Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dominick's Printing > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:46 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] PC Problem help > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Is there a fix for this or is my system messed up for good? > > Running a PC with 2 gigs ram, Windows XP pro, all the usual software. > > Went to download a photo from a web site, and it would not do it. Just > did nothing. Thinking it was the site, went to another one, and same. > So > I tried my music site, and bought a song, and it also will not > download. > > The Download Manager does not open, and nothing happens. > > What more info do you need? This will become a problem when retreiving > customer files shortly. Everything else seems to be normal. > > Thanks for your suggestions, > Joe Dominick > > Dominick's Quality Printing > 542 W. Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > 541.881.1121 > Fax 541.881.1599 > > www.dominicksprinting.com > dominick@fmtc.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mark at cordesprinting.com Wed Sep 10 10:15:13 2008 From: mark at cordesprinting.com (Mark Cordes) Date: Wed Sep 10 10:10:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lead type and cases In-Reply-To: <5D3A7D31A53249A0A54A61E444EAAA45@Leo4allPC> References: <5D3A7D31A53249A0A54A61E444EAAA45@Leo4allPC> Message-ID: <48C7D671.6080503@cordesprinting.com> John -- Before you just scrap the metal (although scrap prices are very good -- our main export to China! Don't get me started. . . ) I would e-bay this. There seems to be an excellent market for letterpress stuff out there. We are actually doing letterpress printing again from time to time but not using hand-set type or any metal for that matter. Mark Mark Cordes Cordes Printing, Inc. 460 Braen Avenue Wyckoff, NJ 07481 201.652.7272 mark@cordesprinting.com www.cordesprinting.com John M. Henry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have some old type banks and cases, is now a good time to get rid of them > with metals up? Also who buys type lead at what price or should I just call > the metal guys? > > > > > > > > John M. Henry > > Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. > > PO Box 815 > > 125-129 East First Street > > Oswego, NY 13126 > > (315) 343-3531 > > (315) 343-3577 fax > > (315) 532-0620 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From steveprint at aol.com Wed Sep 10 10:12:23 2008 From: steveprint at aol.com (StevePrint) Date: Wed Sep 10 10:11:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PC Problem help In-Reply-To: <48C7CFA2.40108@fmtc.com> References: <48C7CFA2.40108@fmtc.com> Message-ID: If your able to get on the web, find utility called reg cure. We run it daily and cleans up many problems. You will wonder how you ever lived without it. Runs about $35.00. Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting In a message dated 09/10/08 06:48:55 Pacific Daylight Time, dominick@fmtc.com writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Is there a fix for this or is my system messed up for good? Running a PC with 2 gigs ram, Windows XP pro, all the usual software. Went to download a photo from a web site, and it would not do it. Just did nothing. Thinking it was the site, went to another one, and same. So I tried my music site, and bought a song, and it also will not download. The Download Manager does not open, and nothing happens. What more info do you need? This will become a problem when retreiving customer files shortly. Everything else seems to be normal. Thanks for your suggestions, Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Wed Sep 10 10:11:50 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Wed Sep 10 10:11:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CS4 In-Reply-To: <200809100437.m8A4buH4027727@i2bnetworks.com> References: <200809100437.m8A4buH4027727@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <48C7D5A6.3010403@satx.rr.com> An I'm Frustrated that I had a client come in and waste time, so much time that I missed the online seminar I was signed up for yesterday. If another ASN member would be so kind as to tell me what I missed or how to see a replay I'd appreciate it. I am looking in the wrong place for the replay I guess. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Nobody who has really seen it should be commenting because we are all > still under NDA. > > S. > > > > At 09:18 PM 9/9/2008, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> This doesn't sound even remotely worthwhile to upgrade to....here is >> some info hope there is some substance beyond what >> this article says. >> >> >> >> http://www.pdfzone.com/c/a/Authoring/Rumblings-on-New-Adobe-CS4-Possible-October-Release-and-Flash-Features/?kc=PZPDFEMNL09092008STR4 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Larry Taylor >> Desert Pacific Printing >> Tucson, AZ >> 520-745-8004 >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3430 (20080910) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From John at mpcny.com Wed Sep 10 10:15:32 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Wed Sep 10 10:15:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: CS4 In-Reply-To: <20080910140536.D88531077C37@rb.enter.net> References: <20080910140536.D88531077C37@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <0DD062C8EEDB4742A0ED196A622ED62D@Leo4allPC> I have not seen it and am not on NDA that said, all fluff, just more bloat ware that has little to offer us printers. Adobe seems to have run out of ideas for us printers. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From dvmonto at optonline.net Wed Sep 10 10:20:32 2008 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Wed Sep 10 10:20:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PC Problem help In-Reply-To: <000301c9134e$42cb8220$c8628660$@com> Message-ID: Maybe switch to Firefox and see if problem was with Explorer or PC? -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net -- "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 On 9/10/08 10:05 AM, "Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics" wrote: > Most obvious, but many times forgotten, did you try restarting your PC? If > you did, did you try a System Restore to a point to when you knew you could > download? From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Wed Sep 10 10:21:32 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Wed Sep 10 10:20:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PC Problem help In-Reply-To: <48C7CFA2.40108@fmtc.com> References: <48C7CFA2.40108@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <48C7D7EC.9000309@satx.rr.com> Just run system restore and take it back to the last time it worked right and you are done. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Dominick's Printing wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Is there a fix for this or is my system messed up for good? > > Running a PC with 2 gigs ram, Windows XP pro, all the usual software. > > Went to download a photo from a web site, and it would not do it. Just > did nothing. Thinking it was the site, went to another one, and same. > So I tried my music site, and bought a song, and it also will not > download. > > The Download Manager does not open, and nothing happens. > > What more info do you need? This will become a problem when retreiving > customer files shortly. Everything else seems to be normal. > > Thanks for your suggestions, > Joe Dominick > > Dominick's Quality Printing > 542 W. Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > 541.881.1121 > Fax 541.881.1599 > > www.dominicksprinting.com > dominick@fmtc.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From david at commercialpressink.com Wed Sep 10 10:26:08 2008 From: david at commercialpressink.com (David Charleson) Date: Wed Sep 10 10:22:03 2008 Subject: SPAM-MED: [PrintOwners] Lead type and cases In-Reply-To: <5D3A7D31A53249A0A54A61E444EAAA45@Leo4allPC> References: <5D3A7D31A53249A0A54A61E444EAAA45@Leo4allPC> Message-ID: <48C7D900.2060009@commercialpressink.com> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Also who buys type lead at what price or should I just call the metal guys? Do you know anyone who is into reloading ammunition? Guys who cast their own bullets love linotype lead as it has a higher tin content and makes a harder bullet. im sure there is someone in Oswego who is into this David Charleson Commercial Press Inc. 216 Cowan Rd Canton NY 13617 P 315.386.3431 david@commercialpressink.com www.commercialpressink.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Wed Sep 10 10:23:08 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Wed Sep 10 10:22:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lead type and cases In-Reply-To: <5D3A7D31A53249A0A54A61E444EAAA45@Leo4allPC> References: <5D3A7D31A53249A0A54A61E444EAAA45@Leo4allPC> Message-ID: <48C7D84C.8000209@satx.rr.com> Put the drawers on ebay. people pay big bucks for the drawers as antiques. I'm kicking myself for getting rid of what I had. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax John M. Henry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have some old type banks and cases, is now a good time to get rid of them > with metals up? Also who buys type lead at what price or should I just call > the metal guys? > > > > > > > > John M. Henry > > Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. > > PO Box 815 > > 125-129 East First Street > > Oswego, NY 13126 > > (315) 343-3531 > > (315) 343-3577 fax > > (315) 532-0620 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From craig at newhavenprint.com Wed Sep 10 10:25:43 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Wed Sep 10 10:25:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CS4 In-Reply-To: <200809100437.m8A4buH4027727@i2bnetworks.com> References: <200809100437.m8A4buH4027727@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <48C7D8E7.4040103@newhavenprint.com> It is allowed under the Adobe NDA to announce that CS4 will be publically introduced on September 23rd. You can even sign up for a intro webinar at this address: www.adobe.com/go/somethingbrilliant We have our annual Adobe User Conference scheduled for November 6th. We held off until Adobe was sure of a release date for CS4. Hopefully it will be available for our customers by then. We'll have an Adobe trainer in the shop on the 5th to train our people, then we'll host a full day session on the 6th for about 140 of our favorite customers. It's always a great day, the customers really appreciate it, Adobe helps us pay for it, and we end up looking like experts. Even though we can't go into details, CS4 has some very valuable new features that justify an immediate upgrade. Craig Craig Dellinger President New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, Indiana USA Phone: 260.493.3844 Fax: 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Nobody who has really seen it should be commenting because we are all > still under NDA. > > S. > > > > At 09:18 PM 9/9/2008, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> This doesn't sound even remotely worthwhile to upgrade to....here is >> some info hope there is some substance beyond what >> this article says. >> >> Larry Taylor >> Desert Pacific Printing >> Tucson, AZ >> 520-745-8004 >> > From rstor at copycats.com Wed Sep 10 10:31:06 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Wed Sep 10 10:31:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PC Problem help In-Reply-To: <48C7D7EC.9000309@satx.rr.com> References: <48C7CFA2.40108@fmtc.com> <48C7D7EC.9000309@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <48C7DA2A.3060701@copycats.com> Run spybot in addition to the anti-virus software. At home I was able to run all the functions of my browser because of a trojan that had sneaked past my Norton. Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Dennis Ewing wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Just run system restore and take it back to the last time it worked > right and you are done. > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > Ewing and Sons Printing > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > San Antonio, TX 78233 > dennisewing@satx.rr.com > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com > 210/650-5311 > 210/650-9916 Fax > > > > Dominick's Printing wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Is there a fix for this or is my system messed up for good? >> >> Running a PC with 2 gigs ram, Windows XP pro, all the usual software. >> >> Went to download a photo from a web site, and it would not do it. >> Just did nothing. Thinking it was the site, went to another one, and >> same. So I tried my music site, and bought a song, and it also will >> not download. >> >> The Download Manager does not open, and nothing happens. >> >> What more info do you need? This will become a problem when >> retreiving customer files shortly. Everything else seems to be normal. >> >> Thanks for your suggestions, >> Joe Dominick >> >> Dominick's Quality Printing >> 542 W. Idaho Avenue >> Ontario Oregon 97914 >> 541.881.1121 >> Fax 541.881.1599 >> >> www.dominicksprinting.com >> dominick@fmtc.com >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From craig at newhavenprint.com Wed Sep 10 10:33:42 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Wed Sep 10 10:33:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: CS4 In-Reply-To: <0DD062C8EEDB4742A0ED196A622ED62D@Leo4allPC> References: <20080910140536.D88531077C37@rb.enter.net> <0DD062C8EEDB4742A0ED196A622ED62D@Leo4allPC> Message-ID: <48C7DAC6.7030903@newhavenprint.com> You need to wait until you see what features have been added to BENEFIT printers before you go off on Adobe. It will be worth the upgrade - especially for our customers. Craig Craig Dellinger President New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, Indiana USA Phone: 260.493.3844 Fax: 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com John M. Henry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > I have not seen it and am not on NDA that said, all fluff, just more bloat > ware that has little to offer us printers. > > Adobe seems to have run out of ideas for us printers. > > > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. > PO Box 815 > 125-129 East First Street > Oswego, NY 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 fax > (315) 532-0620 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > From meadows at allegranet.com Wed Sep 10 10:41:39 2008 From: meadows at allegranet.com (Michael Tarpinian) Date: Wed Sep 10 10:41:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lead type and cases In-Reply-To: <5D3A7D31A53249A0A54A61E444EAAA45@Leo4allPC> References: <5D3A7D31A53249A0A54A61E444EAAA45@Leo4allPC> Message-ID: John, Have you asked our friends on the Letterpress list if any are interested? - - - - - - Michael Tarpinian Allegra Print & Imaging 5410 Newport Drive, Suite 31 Rolling Meadows, IL 60008 T 847/398-2500 F 847/398-2979 www.allegraUSA.com Printing | Mailing | Posters & Banners | Promotional Products On Sep 10, 2008, at 9:03 AM, John M. Henry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have some old type banks and cases, is now a good time to get rid > of them > with metals up? Also who buys type lead at what price or should I > just call > the metal guys? > > > > > > > > John M. Henry > > Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. > > PO Box 815 > > 125-129 East First Street > > Oswego, NY 13126 > > (315) 343-3531 > > (315) 343-3577 fax > > (315) 532-0620 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners - - - - - - Michael Tarpinian Allegra Print & Imaging 5410 Newport Drive, Suite 31 Rolling Meadows, IL 60008 T 847/398-2500 F 847/398-2979 www.allegraUSA.com Printing | Mailing | Posters & Banners | Promotional Products From ernie at allegratampa.com Wed Sep 10 10:42:47 2008 From: ernie at allegratampa.com (Ernie Kautzmann) Date: Wed Sep 10 10:43:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Lean practices In-Reply-To: <20080910142551.881CD1077EAE@rb.enter.net> References: <20080910142551.881CD1077EAE@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <003901c91353$82141fa0$d301a8c0@ManagerComputer> Is anyone using lean practices in their shops, specifically S5? How is it working and has it been a useful tool. Any experiences shared are appreciated. Ernie Kautzmann Thanks for Choosing Allegra Print and Imaging 3110 Cherry Palm Drive Tampa, Florida 33619 (813) 664-1129 - Fax (813) 664-0578 Be Sure to Visit Our Website at http://www.allegratampa.com Online. On Press. On Time! Our Mission is to provide the Graphic Communication Tools & Services our Clients need to be successful. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of printowners-request@printweb.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 10:26 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 37, Issue 54 Send PrintOwners mailing list submissions to printowners@printweb.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to printowners-request@printweb.org You can reach the person managing the list at printowners-owner@printweb.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of PrintOwners digest..." ***** This is a PrintOwners List Digest ***** Today's Topics: 1. Re: Lead type and cases (Mark Cordes) 2. Re: PC Problem help (StevePrint) 3. Re: CS4 (Dennis Ewing) 4. Re: CS4 (John M. Henry) 5. Re: PC Problem help (David Monto) 6. Re: PC Problem help (Dennis Ewing) 7. Re: SPAM-MED: [PrintOwners] Lead type and cases (David Charleson) 8. Re: Lead type and cases (Dennis Ewing) 9. Re: CS4 (Craig Dellinger) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:15:13 -0400 From: Mark Cordes Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Lead type and cases To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Message-ID: <48C7D671.6080503@cordesprinting.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed John -- Before you just scrap the metal (although scrap prices are very good -- our main export to China! Don't get me started. . . ) I would e-bay this. There seems to be an excellent market for letterpress stuff out there. We are actually doing letterpress printing again from time to time but not using hand-set type or any metal for that matter. Mark Mark Cordes Cordes Printing, Inc. 460 Braen Avenue Wyckoff, NJ 07481 201.652.7272 mark@cordesprinting.com www.cordesprinting.com John M. Henry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have some old type banks and cases, is now a good time to get rid of them > with metals up? Also who buys type lead at what price or should I just call > the metal guys? > > > > > > > > John M. Henry > > Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. > > PO Box 815 > > 125-129 East First Street > > Oswego, NY 13126 > > (315) 343-3531 > > (315) 343-3577 fax > > (315) 532-0620 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:12:23 -0700 From: StevePrint Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] PC Problem help To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii If your able to get on the web, find utility called reg cure. We run it daily and cleans up many problems. You will wonder how you ever lived without it. Runs about $35.00. Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting In a message dated 09/10/08 06:48:55 Pacific Daylight Time, dominick@fmtc.com writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Is there a fix for this or is my system messed up for good? Running a PC with 2 gigs ram, Windows XP pro, all the usual software. Went to download a photo from a web site, and it would not do it. Just did nothing. Thinking it was the site, went to another one, and same. So I tried my music site, and bought a song, and it also will not download. The Download Manager does not open, and nothing happens. What more info do you need? This will become a problem when retreiving customer files shortly. Everything else seems to be normal. Thanks for your suggestions, Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:11:50 -0500 From: Dennis Ewing Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] CS4 To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Message-ID: <48C7D5A6.3010403@satx.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed An I'm Frustrated that I had a client come in and waste time, so much time that I missed the online seminar I was signed up for yesterday. If another ASN member would be so kind as to tell me what I missed or how to see a replay I'd appreciate it. I am looking in the wrong place for the replay I guess. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Nobody who has really seen it should be commenting because we are all > still under NDA. > > S. > > > > At 09:18 PM 9/9/2008, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> This doesn't sound even remotely worthwhile to upgrade to....here is >> some info hope there is some substance beyond what >> this article says. >> >> >> >> http://www.pdfzone.com/c/a/Authoring/Rumblings-on-New-Adobe-CS4-Possible-Oct ober-Release-and-Flash-Features/?kc=PZPDFEMNL09092008STR4 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Larry Taylor >> Desert Pacific Printing >> Tucson, AZ >> 520-745-8004 >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3430 (20080910) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:15:32 -0400 From: "John M. Henry" Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: CS4 To: Message-ID: <0DD062C8EEDB4742A0ED196A622ED62D@Leo4allPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have not seen it and am not on NDA that said, all fluff, just more bloat ware that has little to offer us printers. Adobe seems to have run out of ideas for us printers. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:20:32 -0400 From: David Monto Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] PC Problem help To: Printowners Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Maybe switch to Firefox and see if problem was with Explorer or PC? -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net -- "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 On 9/10/08 10:05 AM, "Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics" wrote: > Most obvious, but many times forgotten, did you try restarting your PC? If > you did, did you try a System Restore to a point to when you knew you could > download? ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:21:32 -0500 From: Dennis Ewing Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] PC Problem help To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Message-ID: <48C7D7EC.9000309@satx.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Just run system restore and take it back to the last time it worked right and you are done. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Dominick's Printing wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Is there a fix for this or is my system messed up for good? > > Running a PC with 2 gigs ram, Windows XP pro, all the usual software. > > Went to download a photo from a web site, and it would not do it. Just > did nothing. Thinking it was the site, went to another one, and same. > So I tried my music site, and bought a song, and it also will not > download. > > The Download Manager does not open, and nothing happens. > > What more info do you need? This will become a problem when retreiving > customer files shortly. Everything else seems to be normal. > > Thanks for your suggestions, > Joe Dominick > > Dominick's Quality Printing > 542 W. Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > 541.881.1121 > Fax 541.881.1599 > > www.dominicksprinting.com > dominick@fmtc.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:26:08 -0400 From: David Charleson Subject: Re: SPAM-MED: [PrintOwners] Lead type and cases To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Message-ID: <48C7D900.2060009@commercialpressink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Also who buys type lead at what price or should I just call the metal guys? Do you know anyone who is into reloading ammunition? Guys who cast their own bullets love linotype lead as it has a higher tin content and makes a harder bullet. im sure there is someone in Oswego who is into this David Charleson Commercial Press Inc. 216 Cowan Rd Canton NY 13617 P 315.386.3431 david@commercialpressink.com www.commercialpressink.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:23:08 -0500 From: Dennis Ewing Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Lead type and cases To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Message-ID: <48C7D84C.8000209@satx.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Put the drawers on ebay. people pay big bucks for the drawers as antiques. I'm kicking myself for getting rid of what I had. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax John M. Henry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have some old type banks and cases, is now a good time to get rid of them > with metals up? Also who buys type lead at what price or should I just call > the metal guys? > > > > > > > > John M. Henry > > Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. > > PO Box 815 > > 125-129 East First Street > > Oswego, NY 13126 > > (315) 343-3531 > > (315) 343-3577 fax > > (315) 532-0620 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:25:43 -0400 From: Craig Dellinger Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] CS4 To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Message-ID: <48C7D8E7.4040103@newhavenprint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed It is allowed under the Adobe NDA to announce that CS4 will be publically introduced on September 23rd. You can even sign up for a intro webinar at this address: www.adobe.com/go/somethingbrilliant We have our annual Adobe User Conference scheduled for November 6th. We held off until Adobe was sure of a release date for CS4. Hopefully it will be available for our customers by then. We'll have an Adobe trainer in the shop on the 5th to train our people, then we'll host a full day session on the 6th for about 140 of our favorite customers. It's always a great day, the customers really appreciate it, Adobe helps us pay for it, and we end up looking like experts. Even though we can't go into details, CS4 has some very valuable new features that justify an immediate upgrade. Craig Craig Dellinger President New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, Indiana USA Phone: 260.493.3844 Fax: 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Nobody who has really seen it should be commenting because we are all > still under NDA. > > S. > > > > At 09:18 PM 9/9/2008, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> This doesn't sound even remotely worthwhile to upgrade to....here is >> some info hope there is some substance beyond what >> this article says. >> >> Larry Taylor >> Desert Pacific Printing >> Tucson, AZ >> 520-745-8004 >> > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners End of PrintOwners Digest, Vol 37, Issue 54 ******************************************* From k_graham at hotmail.com Wed Sep 10 10:42:52 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Wed Sep 10 10:44:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PC Problem help References: <48C7CFA2.40108@fmtc.com> <48C7D7EC.9000309@satx.rr.com> <48C7DA2A.3060701@copycats.com> Message-ID: If all the previous hasn't worked At a command prompt (accessible from accessories) type sfc /scannow This puts all original system files back in place - it will ask for the windows system disk if their is a problem. Also try from another User set up on machine ( I keep a Admin user and Admin-bu user for this reason) if the main user get corrupted you may be able to use the backup User, in which case create a new User with administrative rights and delete the corrupted one. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Stor" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] PC Problem help > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Run spybot in addition to the anti-virus software. At home I was able to > run all the functions of my browser because of a trojan that had sneaked > past my Norton. > > Bob Stor > Copycats > New York, NY > 212-557-2111 x20 > www.copycats.com > > Dennis Ewing wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Just run system restore and take it back to the last time it worked > > right and you are done. > > > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > > Ewing and Sons Printing > > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > > San Antonio, TX 78233 > > dennisewing@satx.rr.com > > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com > > 210/650-5311 > > 210/650-9916 Fax > > > > > > > > Dominick's Printing wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> > >> Is there a fix for this or is my system messed up for good? > >> > >> Running a PC with 2 gigs ram, Windows XP pro, all the usual software. > >> > >> Went to download a photo from a web site, and it would not do it. > >> Just did nothing. Thinking it was the site, went to another one, and > >> same. So I tried my music site, and bought a song, and it also will > >> not download. > >> > >> The Download Manager does not open, and nothing happens. > >> > >> What more info do you need? This will become a problem when > >> retreiving customer files shortly. Everything else seems to be normal. > >> > >> Thanks for your suggestions, > >> Joe Dominick > >> > >> Dominick's Quality Printing > >> 542 W. Idaho Avenue > >> Ontario Oregon 97914 > >> 541.881.1121 > >> Fax 541.881.1599 > >> > >> www.dominicksprinting.com > >> dominick@fmtc.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> PrintOwners Discussion List > >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From dominick at fmtc.com Wed Sep 10 11:00:17 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Wed Sep 10 11:00:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PC Problem help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C7E101.7060000@fmtc.com> Yes, have restarted (which is done daily), have tried system restore, am using Firefox, and also tried IE, and the old Netscape. None have worked. Thanks for more suggestions, Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com David Monto wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Maybe switch to Firefox and see if problem was with Explorer or PC? > > > > From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Wed Sep 10 11:00:21 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Wed Sep 10 11:00:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PC Problem help In-Reply-To: <48C7D7EC.9000309@satx.rr.com> References: <48C7CFA2.40108@fmtc.com> <48C7D7EC.9000309@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <48C7E105.8000201@sugarloafprint.com> Firewall Problem?? -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From greg at pressexpress.org Wed Sep 10 11:01:05 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed Sep 10 11:01:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lead type and cases In-Reply-To: <5D3A7D31A53249A0A54A61E444EAAA45@Leo4allPC> References: <5D3A7D31A53249A0A54A61E444EAAA45@Leo4allPC> Message-ID: <8ED884B9-0407-4B50-9016-C3F9D0BB7E7C@pressexpress.org> See what is out there in eBay. You will be amazed at the prices. Big bucks. Time consuming but well worth it. Greg On Sep 10, 2008, at 9:03 AM, John M. Henry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have some old type banks and cases, is now a good time to get rid > of them > with metals up? Also who buys type lead at what price or should I > just call > the metal guys? > > > > > > > > John M. Henry > > Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. > > PO Box 815 > > 125-129 East First Street > > Oswego, NY 13126 > > (315) 343-3531 > > (315) 343-3577 fax > > (315) 532-0620 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Sep 10 11:00:14 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Sep 10 11:02:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: CS4 In-Reply-To: <48C7DAC6.7030903@newhavenprint.com> References: <20080910140536.D88531077C37@rb.enter.net> <0DD062C8EEDB4742A0ED196A622ED62D@Leo4allPC> <48C7DAC6.7030903@newhavenprint.com> Message-ID: <200809101502.m8AF2KfJ062382@i2bnetworks.com> I would agree with what Craig has said. S. At 07:33 AM 9/10/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >You need to wait until you see what features have been added to >BENEFIT printers before you go off on Adobe. It will be worth the >upgrade - especially for our customers. > >Craig > >Craig Dellinger >President >New Haven Print & Copy >7531 US 930 East >Fort Wayne, Indiana USA >Phone: 260.493.3844 >Fax: 260.493.3579 >www.newhavenprint.com > > > >John M. Henry wrote: >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >>I have not seen it and am not on NDA that said, all fluff, just more bloat >>ware that has little to offer us printers. >>Adobe seems to have run out of ideas for us printers. >> >>John M. Henry >>Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. >>PO Box 815 >>125-129 East First Street >>Oswego, NY 13126 >>(315) 343-3531 >>(315) 343-3577 fax >>(315) 532-0620 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >>__________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3432 (20080910) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From slb at inkspot.net Wed Sep 10 11:20:37 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Sep 10 11:28:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lead type and cases In-Reply-To: <5D3A7D31A53249A0A54A61E444EAAA45@Leo4allPC> References: <5D3A7D31A53249A0A54A61E444EAAA45@Leo4allPC> Message-ID: <48C7AD85.29224.52C0CEA6@slb.inkspot.net> John, If the type is worn, or you just want the cash, I think any of the metal guys would be about the same. If the type is in good shape, and you'd like to see it used, there are probably any number of non- profits you could donate it to (and sell the cases on ebay, separately). If you're interested in donating it, and you can't find a nonprofit that wants it, I can contact the student-run letterpress shop at MIT, and see if they're interested. They got my grandfather's type, but that was about 20 years ago..... Steve > > I have some old type banks and cases, is now a good time to get rid of them > with metals up? Also who buys type lead at what price or should I just call > the metal guys? > > > > > > > > John M. Henry > > Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. > > PO Box 815 > > 125-129 East First Street > > Oswego, NY 13126 > > (315) 343-3531 > > (315) 343-3577 fax > > (315) 532-0620 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3431 (20080910) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Wed Sep 10 11:19:03 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Wed Sep 10 11:28:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CS4 updated Message-ID: This is the link within the article about CS4....the previously posted url is just a related article: http://dailytechtalk.com/2008/08/adobe-cs4-details-bridge-photoshop-release-date/ Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From hal at pickimp.com Wed Sep 10 11:15:25 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Wed Sep 10 11:28:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PC Problem help References: <48C7CFA2.40108@fmtc.com> <48C7D7EC.9000309@satx.rr.com> <48C7E105.8000201@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: <0aea01c91358$0fe0a480$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Being able to browse but not download is usually caused by NIC problems. Move your NIC to a different PCI slot. If that doesn't work, take out all unnecessary PCI cards like sound cards and 56k modems, and then try each slot. If it works, then you can add the other devices back until you find the problem. You can move the device causing a conflict to a different slot and that may fix the download problems. Hal From mike at arborprinting.com Wed Sep 10 11:07:20 2008 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Wed Sep 10 11:28:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DPM 2000 Emergency. References: <48C7E101.7060000@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <009401c91356$eca0b4c0$6601a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Does anyone have a NT 4.01 Setup disk thay can copy and email to us. We can't locate ours, and a file was corrupted. This is going out to both lists, sorry but we are screwed right now. Thanks in advance Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. 5100 Academy Dr., Ste 100 Lisle, IL 60532 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com From slb at inkspot.net Wed Sep 10 11:22:48 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Sep 10 11:33:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PC Problem help In-Reply-To: <48C7DA2A.3060701@copycats.com> References: <48C7CFA2.40108@fmtc.com>, <48C7D7EC.9000309@satx.rr.com>, <48C7DA2A.3060701@copycats.com> Message-ID: <48C7AE08.24188.52C2CF39@slb.inkspot.net> And then, or maybe before then, trash Norton, and install NOD32 and Spysweeper. Virus and crapware problems will no longer be a concern. YMMV, Steve > > Run spybot in addition to the anti-virus software. At home I was able to > run all the functions of my browser because of a trojan that had sneaked > past my Norton. > > Bob Stor > Copycats > New York, NY > 212-557-2111 x20 > www.copycats.com > > Dennis Ewing wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Just run system restore and take it back to the last time it worked > > right and you are done. > > > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > > Ewing and Sons Printing > > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > > San Antonio, TX 78233 > > dennisewing@satx.rr.com > > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com > > 210/650-5311 > > 210/650-9916 Fax > > > > > > > > Dominick's Printing wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> > >> Is there a fix for this or is my system messed up for good? > >> > >> Running a PC with 2 gigs ram, Windows XP pro, all the usual software. > >> > >> Went to download a photo from a web site, and it would not do it. > >> Just did nothing. Thinking it was the site, went to another one, and > >> same. So I tried my music site, and bought a song, and it also will > >> not download. > >> > >> The Download Manager does not open, and nothing happens. > >> > >> What more info do you need? This will become a problem when > >> retreiving customer files shortly. Everything else seems to be normal. > >> > >> Thanks for your suggestions, > >> Joe Dominick > >> > >> Dominick's Quality Printing > >> 542 W. Idaho Avenue > >> Ontario Oregon 97914 > >> 541.881.1121 > >> Fax 541.881.1599 > >> > >> www.dominicksprinting.com > >> dominick@fmtc.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> PrintOwners Discussion List > >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3431 (20080910) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Sep 10 12:18:31 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Sep 10 12:46:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PC Problem help In-Reply-To: <48C7AE08.24188.52C2CF39@slb.inkspot.net> References: <48C7CFA2.40108@fmtc.com> <48C7D7EC.9000309@satx.rr.com> <48C7DA2A.3060701@copycats.com> <48C7AE08.24188.52C2CF39@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <200809101620.m8AGKclI054262@i2bnetworks.com> FYI... If you are running NOD32 V3 or NOD32 Smart Security (if you do not have a robust hardware firewall) you no longer need SpySweeper to handle spy/mal/crapware. S. At 08:22 AM 9/10/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >And then, or maybe before then, trash Norton, and install NOD32 and >Spysweeper. Virus and crapware problems will no longer be a concern. > >YMMV, >Steve > > > > > > Run spybot in addition to the anti-virus software. At home I was able to > > run all the functions of my browser because of a trojan that had sneaked > > past my Norton. > > > > Bob Stor > > Copycats > > New York, NY > > 212-557-2111 x20 > > www.copycats.com > > > > Dennis Ewing wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > Just run system restore and take it back to the last time it worked > > > right and you are done. > > > > > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > > > Ewing and Sons Printing > > > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > > > San Antonio, TX 78233 > > > dennisewing@satx.rr.com > > > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com > > > 210/650-5311 > > > 210/650-9916 Fax > > > > > > > > > > > > Dominick's Printing wrote: > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >> > > >> Is there a fix for this or is my system messed up for good? > > >> > > >> Running a PC with 2 gigs ram, Windows XP pro, all the usual software. > > >> > > >> Went to download a photo from a web site, and it would not do it. > > >> Just did nothing. Thinking it was the site, went to another one, and > > >> same. So I tried my music site, and bought a song, and it also will > > >> not download. > > >> > > >> The Download Manager does not open, and nothing happens. > > >> > > >> What more info do you need? This will become a problem when > > >> retreiving customer files shortly. Everything else seems to be normal. > > >> > > >> Thanks for your suggestions, > > >> Joe Dominick > > >> > > >> Dominick's Quality Printing > > >> 542 W. Idaho Avenue > > >> Ontario Oregon 97914 > > >> 541.881.1121 > > >> Fax 541.881.1599 > > >> > > >> www.dominicksprinting.com > > >> dominick@fmtc.com > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> PrintOwners Discussion List > > >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >> > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 3431 (20080910) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > >Steve Blatman >Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >Tel: 610-647-0776 >Fax: 610-647-4560 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3432 (20080910) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Wed Sep 10 13:06:41 2008 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Wed Sep 10 13:07:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lead type and cases References: <5D3A7D31A53249A0A54A61E444EAAA45@Leo4allPC> Message-ID: We have a letterpress list??? How do I find it??? We have an entire case full too. Plus the old Chandler Price Press (which we use for die cutting) Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tarpinian" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Lead type and cases > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > John, > > Have you asked our friends on the Letterpress list if any are interested? > > > - - - - - - > Michael Tarpinian > Allegra Print & Imaging > 5410 Newport Drive, Suite 31 > Rolling Meadows, IL 60008 > > T 847/398-2500 > F 847/398-2979 > www.allegraUSA.com > > Printing | Mailing | Posters & Banners | Promotional Products > > > > > On Sep 10, 2008, at 9:03 AM, John M. Henry wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I have some old type banks and cases, is now a good time to get rid of >> them >> with metals up? Also who buys type lead at what price or should I just >> call >> the metal guys? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> John M. Henry >> >> Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. >> >> PO Box 815 >> >> 125-129 East First Street >> >> Oswego, NY 13126 >> >> (315) 343-3531 >> >> (315) 343-3577 fax >> >> (315) 532-0620 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > - - - - - - > Michael Tarpinian > Allegra Print & Imaging > 5410 Newport Drive, Suite 31 > Rolling Meadows, IL 60008 > > T 847/398-2500 > F 847/398-2979 > www.allegraUSA.com > > Printing | Mailing | Posters & Banners | Promotional Products > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From billg at TGAssociates.com Wed Sep 10 13:51:36 2008 From: billg at TGAssociates.com (Bill Greif) Date: Wed Sep 10 13:49:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for a SIMPLE Proofing Work Flow Solution In-Reply-To: <200809100615.m8A6FAEp038275@i2bnetworks.com> References: <8A361A96-C41A-4AF6-8E46-E3A89C173CC7@protypeonline.com><83d5b9620809080753x8d25acpaf2c579abff00990@mail.gmail.com><7FA73A51815D4710865F967D63C14C7D@Crown.local><231BBB6BF67C4A8793C3E2FA1F3EDB7D@DANIEL><01b001c911d8$b0d97820$128c6860$@com><200809082310.m88NAC3L041752@i2bnetworks.com><84f70d5e0809090633l162510dfxb7bbd6feaf78ddc@mail.gmail.com> <200809100615.m8A6FAEp038275@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <01c301c9136d$df1f4020$6301a8c0@BILL> Scott has it right again! There are distinct personality differences between top performing outside sales people, CSRs and Prepress personnel. As Scott says, prepress types generally do not relate well to people. Outside sales people love to sell but they often do not do well on admin and the details of the order. CSRs, properly selected, will have the interpersonal skills to deal with the customer and the detail orientation to get the order right and manage the internal processes to make things happen. Bill Greif TG & Associates billg@tgassociates.com www.tgassociates.com Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 Toll Free 877-842-7762 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:13 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Looking for a SIMPLE Proofing Work Flow Solution ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The CSR should (in my opinion) be the main transactional contact with the client. I don't see the CSR as an intermediary. The salesperson is out there building relationships, building rapport, building business. The CSR helps this process by being the grease that keeps the gears moving via contact by phone, email, IM or fax. Prepress should focus on the technical aspects of getting files through to the output stage. People skills are not a personality type I have seen that correlates with highly skilled prepress types. There are always exceptions obviously, but prepress can get very technical and those staffers need to focus on their incredibly complex tasks. Phone calls seem to be a distraction to those goals. I know that my model is a bit different as well since I handle well over a million dollars in annual sales and have never hired a salesperson. But my structure allows me to take on the traditional role of salesperson because all the detail, and hand holding, and workflow is handled by staff that can focus on giving the client the best experience possible. If organized and properly structured, the CSR can be in the strongest position to nurture and manage the long term transactional relationship with the client freeing up the salesperson to be the primary strategic contact. S. At 06:33 AM 9/9/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > > > > Nobody in pre-press should be communicating with the client. > >Scott, > >Out of curiousity, why do you say this? I'm aware >that our company structure is somewhat different >from that of many companies out there* but how >does it benefit the customer or your company to >have an intermediary person involved in every >conversation with the customer? > >In our experience, that's been one of the number >one causes of delays in communication, as well >as mistakes causes by the inaccurate relay of >information/corrections, etc. > >Thanks, >Walt > > >* Different in that we have no outside salespeople or >CSRs, per se, so every prepress person works directly >with the client, in most cases. > > > >Mercersburg Printing >Mercersburg, PA >http://mercersburg.net >800-955-3902 >tufelkinder@gmail.com > > >-~ > > The best way out is always through. > -- Robert Frost >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3428 (20080909) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From craig at newhavenprint.com Wed Sep 10 14:01:30 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Wed Sep 10 14:01:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 5.5 million press demo.......WOW In-Reply-To: <9A0B9149B3C643E6A0378E78FE11D93B@Crown.local> References: <9A0B9149B3C643E6A0378E78FE11D93B@Crown.local> Message-ID: <48C80B7A.1080804@newhavenprint.com> OK, which is more reliable . . . a computer or a pressman? We were just having this discussion today. The Ink Control Computer on our Ryobi 5/color console started acting goofy this morning. We've had absolutely no computer issues since the press was new in 2002 - until today. Anyway, we can still run the press, but the poor pressman is actually having to set his own ink fountains manually on the console. Considering we've gotten about 6 years without a hickup on the press, I'm not too excited. Ryobi has another computer coming in tomorrow. My point is this. Automation is a wonderful thing. Sure, we're running jobs on the 5/color today, but the make readys are taking more like 15 or 20 minutes instead of 5. That time (and extra paper stock) really adds up. As far as technology being complex and expensive, we pay about $7000 a year for a maintenance contract on that press. All parts other than rubber are included - as well as quarterly PM's. The PMs are pretty much the only time we've seen the repair guys in 6 years. I can't say any employee we've ever had is nearly as reliable. Craig Dellinger President New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, Indiana USA Phone: 260.493.3844 Fax: 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com clc wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Only two operators and the need for fifty service technicians, sounds like a > nightmare to me! > I wonder what the monthly service agreement costs. > What I see, is us being forced into buying more complex beasts that make us > a prisoner of the service technicians. > Think about it. > > Charlie Counts > CROWNMAX, Inc. > 2301 Roxalana Road > Dunbar, WV 25064 > 1-800-252-40111 > www.crownmax.com > > From dominick at fmtc.com Wed Sep 10 14:40:57 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Wed Sep 10 14:41:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Label company Message-ID: <48C814B9.2030600@fmtc.com> Does anybody have a label company that will "guarantee" 24 or 48 hour turnaround? My biggest customer needs roll labels this order and we will need 10 to 50 thousand guaranteed to them within 3 days. Discount Label said "no", and Stickerman said "impossible".... Thanks Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com From hal at pickimp.com Wed Sep 10 14:43:27 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Wed Sep 10 14:41:21 2008 Subject: SPAM-MED: [PrintOwners] Lead type and cases References: <5D3A7D31A53249A0A54A61E444EAAA45@Leo4allPC> <48C7D900.2060009@commercialpressink.com> Message-ID: <003201c91375$1eefc060$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> < Do you know anyone who is into reloading ammunition? Guys who cast their own bullets love linotype lead as it has a higher tin content and makes a harder bullet. I'm sure there is someone in Oswego who is into this > That's what I use for reloading 9MM rounds. I've never had to pay for it though, they're usually happy to be rid of it. I'll bet I still have 500lbs of that stuff. Hal From slb at inkspot.net Wed Sep 10 14:48:31 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Sep 10 14:48:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] epic black classic linen 100# cover? Message-ID: <48C7DE3F.6842.537F298B@slb.inkspot.net> Anybody know a source for classic linen epic black 100# cover in less- than-carton quantities? I've come up dry with our usual suspects, and I have a customer who would like us to print silver-on-black business cards. TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From Minmandon at aol.com Wed Sep 10 14:55:38 2008 From: Minmandon at aol.com (Minmandon@aol.com) Date: Wed Sep 10 14:55:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Label company Message-ID: In a message dated 9/10/2008 2:42:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dominick@fmtc.com writes: Discount Label said "no", How foolish!!! There business must be doing really well. I dropped Discount Label about 5 years ago after numerous problems & really bad attitude. I switched to Americal 800 228-8809. I've had virtually no problems. Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield 954 421-9904 **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Wed Sep 10 14:57:20 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Wed Sep 10 14:57:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Spot Varnish over 4 color In-Reply-To: <48C6DFE7.3090804@parchmentpress.net> References: <48C6915F.9030401@newhavenprint.com> <48C69C82.8010708@copycats.com> <48C6DFE7.3090804@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <1613DC36-7AC6-4C63-A162-92668D4D3C2E@bellsouth.net> Customer wants Spot Varnish over 4 color printing. We will do the 4 color printing on our press (2 at a time on a Ryobi 3302). The varnish is to go over about a couple of very large words to make them "pop" out, at least that is what the designer is telling them will happen.... No having done much spot varnish, I don't know if this will really get the effect they want..... Don't want to attempt it and disappoint. I'd rather lose the job.... Any comments or suggestions? Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 From mkahny at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 14:57:23 2008 From: mkahny at gmail.com (Michael Kahny) Date: Wed Sep 10 14:57:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Christmas cards & customer ordering online Message-ID: <7bb924c10809101157x6b9ba0b0t481fe40a6d89f4e9@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone offer a service for their customers to order Christmas cards online through your website? We would like to offer something that goes straight to a service that prints and ships them direct to our customers? If you do I am curious who you use and how it works for you. Thanks, Mike Michael Kahny Kahny Printing Cincinnati, OH From list at interiorgraphics.com Wed Sep 10 14:57:58 2008 From: list at interiorgraphics.com (Michelle at Interior Graphics) Date: Wed Sep 10 14:58:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] epic black classic linen 100# cover? In-Reply-To: <48C7DE3F.6842.537F298B@slb.inkspot.net> References: <48C7DE3F.6842.537F298B@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: I've purchased small lots of paper from www.paperandmore.com. Not sure off the top of my head if it's 80 or 100#, but it's a good resource for small amounts of specialty papers. Best of luck, Michelle ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michelle Maynor "Your Personal Printer" Interior Graphics & Printing 770 8th Avenue Fairbanks, AK 99701 907.456.4982 phone 907.452.6992 fax "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the most." - John Ruskin On Sep 10, 2008, at 10:48 AM, Steve Blatman wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Anybody know a source for classic linen epic black 100# cover in less- > than-carton quantities? I've come up dry with our usual suspects, and > I have a customer who would like us to print silver-on-black business > cards. > > TIA, > Steve > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Wed Sep 10 14:58:52 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Harkins) Date: Wed Sep 10 14:59:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Label company In-Reply-To: <48C814B9.2030600@fmtc.com> Message-ID: On 9/10/08 1:40 PM, "Dominick's Printing" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anybody have a label company that will "guarantee" 24 or 48 hour > turnaround? My biggest customer needs roll labels this order and we will > need 10 to 50 thousand guaranteed to them within 3 days. We use AmeriCal in Omaha - they are very fast, but their turnaround on those quantities is 3-5 days plus shipping. Without rush charges and overnight shipping, it would be tough to accomplish, but they are a local company and may be interested in working with you on such a large order. For example, I ordered 10,000 small labels, brown ink on white gloss on Monday and they shipped them today. My customer will have them tomorrow, but we are only a day way UPS. Give them a call. 800-228-8809 -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Wed Sep 10 15:02:07 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Harkins) Date: Wed Sep 10 15:02:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] epic black classic linen 100# cover? In-Reply-To: <48C7DE3F.6842.537F298B@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: On 9/10/08 1:48 PM, "Steve Blatman" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Anybody know a source for classic linen epic black 100# cover in less- > than-carton quantities? I've come up dry with our usual suspects, and > I have a customer who would like us to print silver-on-black business > cards. Would they consider 120# Classic Linen duplex cover - black on white? Xpedx shows it available in our book. -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From joy at libertyprintgreen.com Wed Sep 10 16:05:30 2008 From: joy at libertyprintgreen.com (Joy Downing) Date: Wed Sep 10 15:05:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] epic black classic linen 100# cover? In-Reply-To: <48C7DE3F.6842.537F298B@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <32466B0614B64B9AA99AC2A26E299B30@JOY2> It is a stocking paper for Athens Paper- no minimum. 1-800-444-7910 Joy Downing President Liberty 3021 Nashville Road Bowling Green, KY 42101 270-782-7829 LibertyPrintGreen.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:49 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] epic black classic linen 100# cover? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Anybody know a source for classic linen epic black 100# cover in less- than-carton quantities? I've come up dry with our usual suspects, and I have a customer who would like us to print silver-on-black business cards. TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 15:24:20 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Sep 10 15:24:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Christmas cards & customer ordering online In-Reply-To: <7bb924c10809101157x6b9ba0b0t481fe40a6d89f4e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <7bb924c10809101157x6b9ba0b0t481fe40a6d89f4e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0809101224l30ad25abxc459d4b0b764e047@mail.gmail.com> Birchcraft has a dealer site with this capability. 800-333-0405 www.birchcraft.com You can see the site at www.eSirSpeedy.com . Click the "Holiday Cards" box. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Michael Kahny wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone offer a service for their customers to order Christmas cards > online through your website? We would like to offer something that goes > straight to a service that prints and ships them direct to our customers? > If > you do I am curious who you use and how it works for you. > > Thanks, > > Mike > > Michael Kahny > Kahny Printing > Cincinnati, OH > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 15:26:58 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Sep 10 15:27:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] epic black classic linen 100# cover? In-Reply-To: <48C7DE3F.6842.537F298B@slb.inkspot.net> References: <48C7DE3F.6842.537F298B@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0809101226x35a71015y34817efa4d3d461f@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Steve Blatman wrote: Anybody know a source for classic linen epic black 100# cover in less- than-carton quantities? I've come up dry with our usual suspects, and I have a customer who would like us to print silver-on-black business cards. Try Paper Mart in East Hanover, NJ www.papermartinc.com -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From tims_printowner at schreurprinting.com Wed Sep 10 15:51:07 2008 From: tims_printowner at schreurprinting.com (Tim PrintOwner) Date: Wed Sep 10 15:52:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Spot Varnish over 4 color In-Reply-To: <1613DC36-7AC6-4C63-A162-92668D4D3C2E@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: Ben, We have our best success doing what your doing by printing on a dull coated stock and then adding a really good high gloss varnish. Success will also depend on the background color that the "very large words" are placed against. We have also used a two varnish approach by adding a dull varnish plate as a reverse to give the spot gloss more "POP. Tim Schreur Schreur Printing tim@schreurprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: Ben Travis [mailto:cpyxpres@bellsouth.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:57 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Spot Varnish over 4 color Customer wants Spot Varnish over 4 color printing. We will do the 4 color printing on our press (2 at a time on a Ryobi 3302). The varnish is to go over about a couple of very large words to make them "pop" out, at least that is what the designer is telling them will happen.... No having done much spot varnish, I don't know if this will really get the effect they want..... Don't want to attempt it and disappoint. I'd rather lose the job.... Any comments or suggestions? Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Sep 10 15:53:04 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Sep 10 15:55:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Viral load In-Reply-To: <32466B0614B64B9AA99AC2A26E299B30@JOY2> References: <48C7DE3F.6842.537F298B@slb.inkspot.net> <32466B0614B64B9AA99AC2A26E299B30@JOY2> Message-ID: <200809101955.m8AJtAGU065487@i2bnetworks.com> The last couple of days we've been bombarded with emails loaded with viruses (virii?) My NOD32 Remote Administrator Console looks like a friggen' Christmas tree. Pretty big tsunami goin' on out there. We actually had one of those UPS emails get though without being knocked down. She was aware of it though and deleted it. Scary. All it takes is one click from someone to really mess up your day. Might want to have a quick chat with your staffs to make them aware of the increased activity. These things tend to come and go in waves. S. _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Wed Sep 10 15:57:14 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Wed Sep 10 15:57:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Spot Varnish over 4 color In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good idea! They had specified a gloss stock, but I can see that this would reduce the contrast. Thanks! Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Sep 10, 2008, at 3:51 PM, Tim PrintOwner wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Ben, > We have our best success doing what your doing by printing on > a dull coated stock and then adding a really good high gloss varnish. > Success will > also depend on the background color that the "very large words" are > placed > against. We have also used a two varnish approach by adding a dull > varnish > plate as a reverse to give the spot gloss more "POP. > > Tim Schreur > Schreur Printing > tim@schreurprinting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Travis [mailto:cpyxpres@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:57 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Spot Varnish over 4 color > > > Customer wants Spot Varnish over 4 color printing. We will do the 4 > color printing on our press (2 at a time on a Ryobi 3302). The varnish > is to go over about a couple of very large words to make them "pop" > out, at least that is what the designer is telling them will > happen.... > > No having done much spot varnish, I don't know if this will really get > the effect they want..... Don't want to attempt it and disappoint. I'd > rather lose the job.... > > Any comments or suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Ben Travis > > Copy Express > 4004-A South Blvd. > Charlotte, NC 20209 > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net > 704-527-1750 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From slb at inkspot.net Wed Sep 10 15:58:12 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Sep 10 15:58:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] self-adhesive title blocks Message-ID: <48C7EE94.18779.53BEF8F2@slb.inkspot.net> Anybody got a source for self-adhesive, custom-printed title blocks? Or, perhaps, a recommendation for stock on which to print them? TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From John at mpcny.com Wed Sep 10 16:06:10 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Wed Sep 10 16:06:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lead type and cases In-Reply-To: <20080910144435.7B196107805B@rb.enter.net> References: <20080910144435.7B196107805B@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: What letterpress list? John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 John, Have you asked our friends on the Letterpress list if any are interested? - - - - - - Michael Tarpinian From meadows at allegranet.com Wed Sep 10 16:13:18 2008 From: meadows at allegranet.com (Michael Tarpinian) Date: Wed Sep 10 16:13:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lead type and cases In-Reply-To: References: <20080910144435.7B196107805B@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <2A8D176E-17C4-4FB3-A1C8-493E53A1BB7B@allegranet.com> John, LETPRESS@LISTSERV.UNB.CA The list is made up of real printers who use letterpress with some old timers who are retired but run a letterpress in their garages, along with some artsy types and hobby printers. There was a discussion the other day about a treadle operated press. I am amazed at how active this list is. - - - - - - Michael Tarpinian Allegra Print & Imaging 5410 Newport Drive, Suite 31 Rolling Meadows, IL 60008 T 847/398-2500 F 847/398-2979 www.allegraUSA.com Printing | Mailing | Posters & Banners | Promotional Products On Sep 10, 2008, at 3:06 PM, John M. Henry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What letterpress list? > > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. > PO Box 815 > 125-129 East First Street > Oswego, NY 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 fax > (315) 532-0620 > John, > > Have you asked our friends on the Letterpress list if any are > interested? > > > - - - - - - > Michael Tarpinian > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From slb at inkspot.net Wed Sep 10 16:13:40 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Sep 10 16:15:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] epic black classic linen 100# cover? In-Reply-To: <32466B0614B64B9AA99AC2A26E299B30@JOY2> References: <48C7DE3F.6842.537F298B@slb.inkspot.net>, <32466B0614B64B9AA99AC2A26E299B30@JOY2> Message-ID: <48C7F234.18434.53CD1EDF@slb.inkspot.net> So far, our local sources, as well as Athens and Paper Mart, all stock the 80# cover, but not the 100#. At this point, I'd stop trying, except that the customer is also a neighbor....anybody got any more sources for me to try? TIA, Steve > > It is a stocking paper for Athens Paper- no minimum. > 1-800-444-7910 > > Joy Downing > President > Liberty > 3021 Nashville Road > Bowling Green, KY 42101 > 270-782-7829 > > LibertyPrintGreen.com > > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:49 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] epic black classic linen 100# cover? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Anybody know a source for classic linen epic black 100# cover in less- > than-carton quantities? I've come up dry with our usual suspects, and I have > a customer who would like us to print silver-on-black business cards. > > TIA, > Steve > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3432 (20080910) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From slb at inkspot.net Wed Sep 10 16:16:21 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Sep 10 16:16:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lead type and cases In-Reply-To: <2A8D176E-17C4-4FB3-A1C8-493E53A1BB7B@allegranet.com> References: <20080910144435.7B196107805B@rb.enter.net>, , <2A8D176E-17C4-4FB3-A1C8-493E53A1BB7B@allegranet.com> Message-ID: <48C7F2D5.22152.53CF960E@slb.inkspot.net> Yeah. I think it's a bit amusing to see folks who use an antiquated technology, talking about it using a very modern technology. Sort of like a local order of nuns selling "pray for you" services over the internet.... It's a good list for letterpress enthusiasts, though. Steve > > John, > > LETPRESS@LISTSERV.UNB.CA > > > The list is made up of real printers who use letterpress with some old > timers who are retired but run a letterpress in their garages, along > with some artsy types and hobby printers. There was a discussion the > other day about a treadle operated press. > > I am amazed at how active this list is. > > - - - - - - > Michael Tarpinian > Allegra Print & Imaging > 5410 Newport Drive, Suite 31 > Rolling Meadows, IL 60008 > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From steveprint at aol.com Wed Sep 10 16:37:22 2008 From: steveprint at aol.com (StevePrint) Date: Wed Sep 10 16:36:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Christmas cards & customer ordering online In-Reply-To: <7bb924c10809101157x6b9ba0b0t481fe40a6d89f4e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <7bb924c10809101157x6b9ba0b0t481fe40a6d89f4e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6ac8bd07.621c.41b0.833a.3117be06e119@aol.com> Look at our site. Works well. Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting In a message dated 09/10/08 12:35:16 Pacific Daylight Time, mkahny@gmail.com writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does anyone offer a service for their customers to order Christmas cards online through your website? We would like to offer something that goes straight to a service that prints and ships them direct to our customers? If you do I am curious who you use and how it works for you. Thanks, Mike Michael Kahny Kahny Printing Cincinnati, OH _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Wed Sep 10 17:26:51 2008 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Wed Sep 10 17:29:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Spot Varnish over 4 color In-Reply-To: <1613DC36-7AC6-4C63-A162-92668D4D3C2E@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <000c01c9138b$f0f0bae0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Scott, Do you have a trade bindery that can do Spot UV? That might be what they're really looking for. UV will make the letters pop much better than a varnish. I don't believe we have any printers in Des Moines that can do spot UV coating. A lot of them have UV coaters on the back of their presses and can do flood coating, not spot. Along the same lines . . . we have a client that received a high-end saddle-stitched brochure in the mail. They want us to do something just like their sample. It's a 12-pager plus cover, 5/5 Process Color + a Metallic ink throughout, 100# gloss cover, 100# gloss text for body, Lay-Flat 1.3 mil Matte Laminate throughout the entire booklet, with Spot UV over the laminate throughout the entire booklet as well. The quantity is only 350 - 500. We have a trade binder that is going to handle all the finishing work, all we have to do is print and coordinate the production. I haven't seen the clients design yet but the sample they supplied had a really cool look and feel to it. I'm 80-90% sure we're gonna get this project. It's gonna be fun. These brochures are for an insurance company's sales conference for their top producers. Last year they had a $10,000 budget for the printing of the promotional items for this conference and they spent every penny (custom converted envelopes, personalized letters, expensive paper & printing). There were only 800 people getting the information. They spent about $12.50/attendee. It's really nice when you get someone with a budget they need to use up or lose. I need to find more of these . . . Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ben Travis Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:57 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Spot Varnish over 4 color ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Customer wants Spot Varnish over 4 color printing. We will do the 4 color printing on our press (2 at a time on a Ryobi 3302). The varnish is to go over about a couple of very large words to make them "pop" out, at least that is what the designer is telling them will happen.... No having done much spot varnish, I don't know if this will really get the effect they want..... Don't want to attempt it and disappoint. I'd rather lose the job.... Any comments or suggestions? Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From russ at mobile-print.com Wed Sep 10 17:35:04 2008 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Wed Sep 10 17:36:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lead type and cases In-Reply-To: <2A8D176E-17C4-4FB3-A1C8-493E53A1BB7B@allegranet.com> References: <20080910144435.7B196107805B@rb.enter.net> <2A8D176E-17C4-4FB3-A1C8-493E53A1BB7B@allegranet.com> Message-ID: <48C83D88.1030601@mobile-print.com> > LETPRESS@LISTSERV.UNB.CA > > I am amazed at how active this list is. And how they manage to stay pretty well on topic!!! -- Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! ++++++++ From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com Wed Sep 10 18:18:07 2008 From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat) Date: Wed Sep 10 18:18:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Spot Varnish over 4 color In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ben, You could also run a clear foil, will definitely pop out more than varnish. Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ben Travis Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:57 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Spot Varnish over 4 color ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Good idea! They had specified a gloss stock, but I can see that this would reduce the contrast. Thanks! Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Sep 10, 2008, at 3:51 PM, Tim PrintOwner wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Ben, > We have our best success doing what your doing by printing on > a dull coated stock and then adding a really good high gloss varnish. > Success will > also depend on the background color that the "very large words" are > placed > against. We have also used a two varnish approach by adding a dull > varnish > plate as a reverse to give the spot gloss more "POP. > > Tim Schreur > Schreur Printing > tim@schreurprinting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Travis [mailto:cpyxpres@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:57 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Spot Varnish over 4 color > > > Customer wants Spot Varnish over 4 color printing. We will do the 4 > color printing on our press (2 at a time on a Ryobi 3302). The varnish > is to go over about a couple of very large words to make them "pop" > out, at least that is what the designer is telling them will > happen.... > > No having done much spot varnish, I don't know if this will really get > the effect they want..... Don't want to attempt it and disappoint. I'd > rather lose the job.... > > Any comments or suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Ben Travis > > Copy Express > 4004-A South Blvd. > Charlotte, NC 20209 > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net > 704-527-1750 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com Wed Sep 10 18:28:41 2008 From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat) Date: Wed Sep 10 18:28:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Spot Varnish over 4 color In-Reply-To: <000c01c9138b$f0f0bae0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> References: <1613DC36-7AC6-4C63-A162-92668D4D3C2E@bellsouth.net> <000c01c9138b$f0f0bae0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Message-ID: Mitch, Make certain that the trade bindery shop you will use for the spot UV will be able to handle the size of your printed sheet. The smallest size I have been able to find for running registered spot UV has been 17 x 22. Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mitch Eaton Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:27 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Spot Varnish over 4 color ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Scott, Do you have a trade bindery that can do Spot UV? That might be what they're really looking for. UV will make the letters pop much better than a varnish. I don't believe we have any printers in Des Moines that can do spot UV coating. A lot of them have UV coaters on the back of their presses and can do flood coating, not spot. Along the same lines . . . we have a client that received a high-end saddle-stitched brochure in the mail. They want us to do something just like their sample. It's a 12-pager plus cover, 5/5 Process Color + a Metallic ink throughout, 100# gloss cover, 100# gloss text for body, Lay-Flat 1.3 mil Matte Laminate throughout the entire booklet, with Spot UV over the laminate throughout the entire booklet as well. The quantity is only 350 - 500. We have a trade binder that is going to handle all the finishing work, all we have to do is print and coordinate the production. I haven't seen the clients design yet but the sample they supplied had a really cool look and feel to it. I'm 80-90% sure we're gonna get this project. It's gonna be fun. These brochures are for an insurance company's sales conference for their top producers. Last year they had a $10,000 budget for the printing of the promotional items for this conference and they spent every penny (custom converted envelopes, personalized letters, expensive paper & printing). There were only 800 people getting the information. They spent about $12.50/attendee. It's really nice when you get someone with a budget they need to use up or lose. I need to find more of these . . . Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ben Travis Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:57 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Spot Varnish over 4 color ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Customer wants Spot Varnish over 4 color printing. We will do the 4 color printing on our press (2 at a time on a Ryobi 3302). The varnish is to go over about a couple of very large words to make them "pop" out, at least that is what the designer is telling them will happen.... No having done much spot varnish, I don't know if this will really get the effect they want..... Don't want to attempt it and disappoint. I'd rather lose the job.... Any comments or suggestions? Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From communicar at aol.com Wed Sep 10 18:33:42 2008 From: communicar at aol.com (communicar@aol.com) Date: Wed Sep 10 18:33:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Spot Varnish over 4 color In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAE1AC6982DF5C-1388-EBA@webmail-nb16.sysops.aol.com> If they are willing to pay, you could do a double hit of the varnish - two separate passes (dry trap) to get a higher gloss. One pass with two heads will not look the same. Another option would be a spot gloss UV coat. Good luck! Ken Azebu Communicart Graphics & Printing 499 Aldo Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408) 970-0922 (408) 970-8630 Fax -----Original Message----- From: Richard Moffat To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 3:18 pm Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Spot Varnish over 4 color ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Ben, You could also run a clear foil, will definitely pop out more than varnish. Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ben Travis Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:57 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Spot Varnish over 4 color ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Good idea! They had specified a gloss stock, but I can see that this would reduce the contrast. Thanks! Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Sep 10, 2008, at 3:51 PM, Tim PrintOwner wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Ben, > We have our best success doing what your doing by printing on > a dull coated stock and then adding a really good high gloss varnish. > Success will > also depend on the background color that the "very large words" are > placed > against. We have also used a two varnish approach by adding a dull > varnish > plate as a reverse to give the spot gloss more "POP. > > Tim Schreur > Schreur Printing > tim@schreurprinting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Travis [mailto:cpyxpres@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:57 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Spot Varnish over 4 color > > > Customer wants Spot Varnish over 4 color printing. We will do the 4 > color printing on our press (2 at a time on a Ryobi 3302). The varnish > is to go over about a couple of very large words to make them "pop" > out, at least that is what the designer is telling them will > happen.... > > No having done much spot varnish, I don't know if this will really get > the effect they want..... Don't want to attempt it and disappoint. I'd > rather lose the job.... > > Any comments or suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Ben Travis > > Copy Express > 4004-A South Blvd. > Charlotte, NC 20209 > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net > 704-527-1750 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Wed Sep 10 18:38:59 2008 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Wed Sep 10 18:41:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Spot Varnish over 4 color In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000d01c91396$045e7090$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Richard, Thanks for the heads-up. Our trade binder can register our 19 x 12.5 press sheet. Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Richard Moffat Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:29 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Spot Varnish over 4 color ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Mitch, Make certain that the trade bindery shop you will use for the spot UV will be able to handle the size of your printed sheet. The smallest size I have been able to find for running registered spot UV has been 17 x 22. Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mitch Eaton Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:27 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Spot Varnish over 4 color ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Scott, Do you have a trade bindery that can do Spot UV? That might be what they're really looking for. UV will make the letters pop much better than a varnish. I don't believe we have any printers in Des Moines that can do spot UV coating. A lot of them have UV coaters on the back of their presses and can do flood coating, not spot. Along the same lines . . . we have a client that received a high-end saddle-stitched brochure in the mail. They want us to do something just like their sample. It's a 12-pager plus cover, 5/5 Process Color + a Metallic ink throughout, 100# gloss cover, 100# gloss text for body, Lay-Flat 1.3 mil Matte Laminate throughout the entire booklet, with Spot UV over the laminate throughout the entire booklet as well. The quantity is only 350 - 500. We have a trade binder that is going to handle all the finishing work, all we have to do is print and coordinate the production. I haven't seen the clients design yet but the sample they supplied had a really cool look and feel to it. I'm 80-90% sure we're gonna get this project. It's gonna be fun. These brochures are for an insurance company's sales conference for their top producers. Last year they had a $10,000 budget for the printing of the promotional items for this conference and they spent every penny (custom converted envelopes, personalized letters, expensive paper & printing). There were only 800 people getting the information. They spent about $12.50/attendee. It's really nice when you get someone with a budget they need to use up or lose. I need to find more of these . . . Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ben Travis Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:57 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Spot Varnish over 4 color ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Customer wants Spot Varnish over 4 color printing. We will do the 4 color printing on our press (2 at a time on a Ryobi 3302). The varnish is to go over about a couple of very large words to make them "pop" out, at least that is what the designer is telling them will happen.... No having done much spot varnish, I don't know if this will really get the effect they want..... Don't want to attempt it and disappoint. I'd rather lose the job.... Any comments or suggestions? Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From paula at curryprint.com Wed Sep 10 19:56:20 2008 From: paula at curryprint.com (Paula Smith) Date: Wed Sep 10 19:57:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Viral load In-Reply-To: <200809101955.m8AJtAGU065487@i2bnetworks.com> References: <48C7DE3F.6842.537F298B@slb.inkspot.net><32466B0614B64B9AA99AC2A26E299B30@JOY2> <200809101955.m8AJtAGU065487@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <01de01c913a0$d31602e0$9701a8c0@curry.local> I agree...I had something similar happen at my other company, Copy Cat. We are all fully and recently protected, yet 1 virus got in, went to our server, and infected 5 computers which all had to be wiped clean and all software reinstalled. Talk about a pain in the a** My IT guy told me to tell the staff I had installed "tracking" software to monitor where they go on the 'net and any non-work-related visits would be grounds for a write-up. Seems to be working so far Paula Paula Smith Curry Printing & Copy Center 314 North Charles Street Baltimore, Maryland 21201 410.685.2679 410.685.1018 fax www.curryprint.com paula@curryprint.com "IMPOSSIBLE DEADLINES MET" We make banners and signs! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:53 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Viral load > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > The last couple of days we've been bombarded with emails loaded with > viruses (virii?) > > My NOD32 Remote Administrator Console looks like a friggen' Christmas > tree. > > Pretty big tsunami goin' on out there. > > We actually had one of those UPS emails get though without being > knocked down. She was aware of it though and deleted it. > > Scary. > > All it takes is one click from someone to really mess up your day. > > Might want to have a quick chat with your staffs to make them aware > of the increased activity. > > These things tend to come and go in waves. > > > S. > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1663 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 > 6:00 AM From IRPRNTR at aol.com Wed Sep 10 20:23:13 2008 From: IRPRNTR at aol.com (IRPRNTR@aol.com) Date: Wed Sep 10 20:23:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Spot Varnish over 4 color Message-ID: Spot varnish is 'old school' Make sure your client knows what they want. If they're looking for it to 'pop' and mention 'varnish' in the same sentence, I would make sure to show them samples of UV. If it is 'varnish' they want, then just make sure your registration is 'on', don't run too much powder prior to varnishing. Maybe even 'dust' the sheets beforehand, just in case. You can run varnish heavy with little powder, small lifts, and air them out for the a couple hours after coming off press so as not to stick together. Good Luck TJ Litho Jr ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From dvmonto at optonline.net Wed Sep 10 21:51:59 2008 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Wed Sep 10 21:52:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] epic black classic linen 100# cover? In-Reply-To: <48C7DE3F.6842.537F298B@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: How about flooding the white stock with solid black then foiling that? -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net -- "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 On 9/10/08 2:48 PM, "Steve Blatman" wrote: > Anybody know a source for classic linen epic black 100# cover in less- > than-carton quantities? I've come up dry with our usual suspects, and > I have a customer who would like us to print silver-on-black business > cards. From falconprinting at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 09:13:35 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Thu Sep 11 09:13:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Who can print 20 pt cover? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I need someone to print two 9x11 sheets, 4/4 on 20 pt. cover. I had someone local doing it, and, well, they over estimated their capabilities. So I have a client that has been waiting weeks for it and a vendor who wants to me ask them if they can just laminate 12 pt. instead. I don't want to do that. Its 2 versions, only 500 each. I have art ready to print this instant. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com From xeroid at kos.net Thu Sep 11 09:15:08 2008 From: xeroid at kos.net (Wayne) Date: Thu Sep 11 09:15:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PRICE SHOCK References: Message-ID: <00bf01c91410$6a31f160$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> Just want to understand this pricing which has taken a couple of my accounts away recently. 10,000 4/4 8.5 X 11, 80# Gloss Plus Delivered to 10,000 households through Canada Post Only $895 !!! I also have a flyer from a local printer offering 10,000 4/4 80# gloss for Only $695 I have to assume these two different printers are making some kind of profit ... but what I don't understand is how they do it for this little $$$. Could someone help me understand? Thanks Wayne Stevenhaagen 332B Barrie Street Kingston Ontario From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Thu Sep 11 09:28:48 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Thu Sep 11 09:28:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PRICE SHOCK In-Reply-To: <00bf01c91410$6a31f160$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> References: <00bf01c91410$6a31f160$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> Message-ID: <48C91D10.3080301@sugarloafprint.com> They use real presses, not inkjet printers like you do Wayne Wayne wrote: > Just want to understand this pricing which has taken a couple of my > accounts away recently. > > 10,000 4/4 8.5 X 11, 80# Gloss Plus Delivered to 10,000 households > through Canada Post > Only $895 !!! > > I also have a flyer from a local printer offering 10,000 4/4 80# gloss > for Only $695 > > I have to assume these two different printers are making some kind of > profit ... but what I don't understand is how they do it for this > little $$$. Could someone help me understand? > > Thanks > Wayne Stevenhaagen > 332B Barrie Street > Kingston Ontario > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From tufelkinder at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 09:31:19 2008 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Thu Sep 11 09:31:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PRICE SHOCK In-Reply-To: <00bf01c91410$6a31f160$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> References: <00bf01c91410$6a31f160$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0809110631u2090fe2drdbe82c7c2c04ac5f@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Wayne wrote: > > 10,000 4/4 8.5 X 11, 80# Gloss Plus Delivered to 10,000 households through > Canada Post Only $895 !!! > > I also have a flyer from a local printer offering 10,000 4/4 80# gloss for Only $695 > > I have to assume these two different printers are making some kind of profit > ... but what I don't understand is how they do it for this little $$$. Could > someone help me understand? Well, not that I would want to sell that job for so little, but looking at the numbers: set of plates - $80 paper cost - $125 one hour of press time - $200 15 minutes of cutting - $25 So, cost of $430 means $255 profit. Certainly not the best to be hoped for, but in a tight market, I'd take it... Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ The best way out is always through. -- Robert Frost From xeroid at kos.net Thu Sep 11 09:33:14 2008 From: xeroid at kos.net (Wayne) Date: Thu Sep 11 09:33:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PRICE SHOCK References: <00bf01c91410$6a31f160$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> <48C91D10.3080301@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: <00d601c91412$f1656250$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> So break it down for me then ..... Paper cost = Labour cost = Plate cost = Press cost = Other costs = ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Sardo" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] PRICE SHOCK > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > They use real presses, not inkjet printers like you do Wayne > > Wayne wrote: >> Just want to understand this pricing which has taken a couple of my >> accounts away recently. >> >> 10,000 4/4 8.5 X 11, 80# Gloss Plus Delivered to 10,000 households >> through Canada Post >> Only $895 !!! >> >> I also have a flyer from a local printer offering 10,000 4/4 80# gloss >> for Only $695 >> >> I have to assume these two different printers are making some kind of >> profit ... but what I don't understand is how they do it for this little >> $$$. Could someone help me understand? >> >> Thanks >> Wayne Stevenhaagen >> 332B Barrie Street >> Kingston Ontario >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > -- > Ron Sardo > Sugarloaf Print Shop > mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com > www.sugarloafprint.com > 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From xeroid at kos.net Thu Sep 11 09:35:22 2008 From: xeroid at kos.net (Wayne) Date: Thu Sep 11 09:35:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PRICE SHOCK References: <00bf01c91410$6a31f160$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> <84f70d5e0809110631u2090fe2drdbe82c7c2c04ac5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00db01c91413$3dc38e10$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> Does the $200 for one hour of press time pay for the Press and the Labour ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walt" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] PRICE SHOCK > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Wayne wrote: >> >> 10,000 4/4 8.5 X 11, 80# Gloss Plus Delivered to 10,000 households >> through >> Canada Post Only $895 !!! >> >> I also have a flyer from a local printer offering 10,000 4/4 80# gloss >> for Only $695 >> >> I have to assume these two different printers are making some kind of >> profit >> ... but what I don't understand is how they do it for this little $$$. >> Could >> someone help me understand? > > Well, not that I would want to sell that job for so little, > but looking at the numbers: > > set of plates - $80 > paper cost - $125 > one hour of press time - $200 > 15 minutes of cutting - $25 > > So, cost of $430 means $255 profit. Certainly not the best > to be hoped for, but in a tight market, I'd take it... > > > Walt > > > Mercersburg Printing > Mercersburg, PA > http://mercersburg.net > 800-955-3902 > tufelkinder@gmail.com > > > -~ > > The best way out is always through. > -- Robert Frost > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Sep 11 09:54:54 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Sep 11 09:55:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PRICE SHOCK Message-ID: In a message dated 9/11/2008 9:36:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, xeroid@kos.net writes: Does the $200 for one hour of press time pay for the Press and the Labour ? Generally speaking Yes! A Budgeted Hourly Charge of $X is intended to cover everything - the press itself, interest costs, direct and indirect labor costs at specific hourly labor rates, an efficiency factor, and a contribution to general overhead which in turn would cover admin. labor, rent, heat, insurance, etc. The only thing up in the air is whether we are really talking about a Budgeted Hourly Cost or a Budgeted Hourly Charge.... the difference being an hourly cost figure would still need to be marked up to produce a desired profit. So, if a fully developed hourly cost was say $190 and you wanted to produce a desired profit of 15%, you could divide $190 by the inverse (.85) and you would get $224 (rounded). I think the only problem with Wayne's assumption is his statement that he must assume they printers are making some profit and yet we know that about 25% of the industry hovers around 3% profits, so in that bottom 25% there are firms that are actually losing money consistently throughout the year and because some items used to calculate profits are not necessarily immediate cash expenses it is possible for a business to struggle along for years losing money all the time and yet still keep their doors open. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From StevePrint at aol.com Thu Sep 11 09:57:35 2008 From: StevePrint at aol.com (StevePrint@aol.com) Date: Thu Sep 11 09:57:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Who can print 20 pt cover? Message-ID: We used FSI for doing a 24 Point 4/4, 2 sided Hang Tag. Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing _www.iorderprinting.com_ (http://www.iorderprinting.com) **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From hal at pickimp.com Thu Sep 11 10:00:59 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Thu Sep 11 09:58:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PRICE SHOCK References: <00bf01c91410$6a31f160$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> Message-ID: <001e01c91416$d40e1ae0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Think a little xeroid. Just send a flyer to the other printer advertising 25,000 4/4 for $585.00. Add 20% discount on postage too. Hal From priorityprinting at comcast.net Thu Sep 11 10:07:14 2008 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Thu Sep 11 10:07:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PRICE SHOCK Message-ID: <091120081407.2522.48C92612000DA67E000009DA22070032010902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Wayne: I priced this job out with 4over. The cost for this job on 100# text would be $459.00 US plus shipping. Not much profit this way but it would be possible. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Wayne" > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Just want to understand this pricing which has taken a couple of my accounts > away recently. > > 10,000 4/4 8.5 X 11, 80# Gloss Plus Delivered to 10,000 households through > Canada Post > Only $895 !!! > > I also have a flyer from a local printer offering 10,000 4/4 80# gloss for > Only $695 > > I have to assume these two different printers are making some kind of profit > ... but what I don't understand is how they do it for this little $$$. > Could someone help me understand? > > Thanks > Wayne Stevenhaagen > 332B Barrie Street > Kingston Ontario > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From priorityprinting at comcast.net Thu Sep 11 10:07:14 2008 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Thu Sep 11 10:07:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PRICE SHOCK Message-ID: <091120081407.2522.48C92612000DA67E000009DA22070032010902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Wayne: I priced this job out with 4over. The cost for this job on 100# text would be $459.00 US plus shipping. Not much profit this way but it would be possible. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Wayne" > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Just want to understand this pricing which has taken a couple of my accounts > away recently. > > 10,000 4/4 8.5 X 11, 80# Gloss Plus Delivered to 10,000 households through > Canada Post > Only $895 !!! > > I also have a flyer from a local printer offering 10,000 4/4 80# gloss for > Only $695 > > I have to assume these two different printers are making some kind of profit > ... but what I don't understand is how they do it for this little $$$. > Could someone help me understand? > > Thanks > Wayne Stevenhaagen > 332B Barrie Street > Kingston Ontario > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Sep 11 10:16:39 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Thu Sep 11 10:16:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Viral load In-Reply-To: <01de01c913a0$d31602e0$9701a8c0@curry.local> References: <48C7DE3F.6842.537F298B@slb.inkspot.net><32466B0614B64B9AA99AC2A26E299B30@JOY2><200809101955.m8AJtAGU065487@i2bnetworks.com> <01de01c913a0$d31602e0$9701a8c0@curry.local> Message-ID: <008401c91419$023d75d0$6401a8c0@coranew> Paula, what virus software are you using??? I have Nod32 and haven't seen any....thank goodness. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Paula Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:56 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Viral load ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I agree...I had something similar happen at my other company, Copy Cat. We are all fully and recently protected, yet 1 virus got in, went to our server, and infected 5 computers which all had to be wiped clean and all software reinstalled. Talk about a pain in the a** My IT guy told me to tell the staff I had installed "tracking" software to monitor where they go on the 'net and any non-work-related visits would be grounds for a write-up. Seems to be working so far Paula Paula Smith Curry Printing & Copy Center 314 North Charles Street Baltimore, Maryland 21201 410.685.2679 410.685.1018 fax www.curryprint.com paula@curryprint.com "IMPOSSIBLE DEADLINES MET" We make banners and signs! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:53 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Viral load > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > The last couple of days we've been bombarded with emails loaded with > viruses (virii?) > > My NOD32 Remote Administrator Console looks like a friggen' Christmas > tree. > > Pretty big tsunami goin' on out there. > > We actually had one of those UPS emails get though without being > knocked down. She was aware of it though and deleted it. > > Scary. > > All it takes is one click from someone to really mess up your day. > > Might want to have a quick chat with your staffs to make them aware > of the increased activity. > > These things tend to come and go in waves. > > > S. > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1663 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 > 6:00 AM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3434 (20080911) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From xeroid at kos.net Thu Sep 11 11:09:29 2008 From: xeroid at kos.net (Wayne) Date: Thu Sep 11 11:09:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PRICE SHOCK References: Message-ID: <014701c91420$639d4510$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> I will have to assume then that the hourly rate must be figured out by how often the press is running. A shop that runs their press for one shift, 8 hours per day, two shifts, 16 hours per day or a smaller printer running 4 hours a day would all have to charge differently for the same work? So the smaller the print shop .... the more expensive they are? Wayne Kingston, Ontario Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] PRICE SHOCK > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 9/11/2008 9:36:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > xeroid@kos.net writes: > > Does the $200 for one hour of press time pay for the Press and the Labour > ? > > > Generally speaking Yes! A Budgeted Hourly Charge of $X is intended to > cover > everything - the press itself, interest costs, direct and indirect labor > costs at specific hourly labor rates, an efficiency factor, and a > contribution to > general overhead which in turn would cover admin. labor, rent, heat, > insurance, etc. > > The only thing up in the air is whether we are really talking about a > Budgeted Hourly Cost or a Budgeted Hourly Charge.... the difference being > an hourly > cost figure would still need to be marked up to produce a desired profit. > > So, if a fully developed hourly cost was say $190 and you wanted to > produce > a desired profit of 15%, you could divide $190 by the inverse (.85) and > you > would get $224 (rounded). > > I think the only problem with Wayne's assumption is his statement that he > must assume they printers are making some profit and yet we know that > about 25% > of the industry hovers around 3% profits, so in that bottom 25% there are > firms that are actually losing money consistently throughout the year and > because some items used to calculate profits are not necessarily immediate > cash > expenses it is possible for a business to struggle along for years losing > money > all the time and yet still keep their doors open. > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion > blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 11:24:29 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Sep 11 11:24:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PRICE SHOCK In-Reply-To: <014701c91420$639d4510$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> References: <014701c91420$639d4510$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0809110824u7aad108u534a66d8312d3e19@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Wayne wrote: > > I will have to assume then that the hourly rate must be figured out by how > often the press is running. A shop that runs their press for one shift, 8 > hours per day, two shifts, 16 hours per day or a smaller printer running 4 > hours a day would all have to charge differently for the same work? So the > smaller the print shop .... the more expensive they are? No. Or not necessarily. But they *would* all have different cost bases, and different budgeted hourly *costs*. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Sep 11 12:20:52 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Sep 11 12:23:05 2008 Subject: Business 101 (was Re: [PrintOwners] PRICE SHOCK) In-Reply-To: <014701c91420$639d4510$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> References: <014701c91420$639d4510$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> Message-ID: <200809111623.m8BGMxX3061459@i2bnetworks.com> The price is dictated by the marketplace...period. Big shop, small shop, shop with guy running around filling ink jet cartridges in the backroom....it makes no difference. Price is determined by the marketplace. Hourly rates are used to determine you COST OF PRODUCTION. You have to figure out your cost to produce, and then you can see if you can mark up the price to the market rate and then (watch out know..here comes the tricky part)...make any money in the process. Thats why you should buy John's price study. Then you can see what the average market prices are for particular products. Without knowing the market price, even if you do know your costs, how much would you know to mark things up? 10%? 26% 123% 214.356%??? without knowing the end game (DA PRICE), all of the rest of this discussion is an academic exercise. S. At 08:09 AM 9/11/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I will have to assume then that the hourly rate must be figured out >by how often the press is running. A shop that runs their press for >one shift, 8 hours per day, two shifts, 16 hours per day or a >smaller printer running 4 hours a day would all have to charge >differently for the same work? So the smaller the print shop .... >the more expensive they are? > >Wayne >Kingston, Ontario >Canada >----- Original Message ----- From: >To: >Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:54 AM >Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] PRICE SHOCK > > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> >>In a message dated 9/11/2008 9:36:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>xeroid@kos.net writes: >> >>Does the $200 for one hour of press time pay for the Press and the Labour ? >> >> >>Generally speaking Yes! A Budgeted Hourly Charge of $X is intended to cover >>everything - the press itself, interest costs, direct and indirect labor >>costs at specific hourly labor rates, an efficiency factor, and a >>contribution to >>general overhead which in turn would cover admin. labor, rent, heat, >>insurance, etc. >> >>The only thing up in the air is whether we are really talking about a >>Budgeted Hourly Cost or a Budgeted Hourly Charge.... the difference >>being an hourly >>cost figure would still need to be marked up to produce a desired profit. >> >>So, if a fully developed hourly cost was say $190 and you wanted to produce >>a desired profit of 15%, you could divide $190 by the inverse (.85) and you >>would get $224 (rounded). >> >>I think the only problem with Wayne's assumption is his statement that he >>must assume they printers are making some profit and yet we know >>that about 25% >>of the industry hovers around 3% profits, so in that bottom 25% there are >>firms that are actually losing money consistently throughout the year and >>because some items used to calculate profits are not necessarily >>immediate cash >>expenses it is possible for a business to struggle along for years >>losing money >>all the time and yet still keep their doors open. >> >>John Stewart >>Q. P. Consulting, Inc. >>Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) >> >> >>by Larry Hunt & John Stewart >> >>2110 S. Dairy Road >>West Melbourne, FL 32904 >>321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 >>Cell: 321-794-6259 >>_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) >>"Winners analyze, losers rationalize." >> >> >> >>**************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, >>plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. >>(http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3434 (20080911) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From paula at curryprint.com Thu Sep 11 12:33:31 2008 From: paula at curryprint.com (Paula Smith) Date: Thu Sep 11 12:35:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Viral load In-Reply-To: <008401c91419$023d75d0$6401a8c0@coranew> References: <48C7DE3F.6842.537F298B@slb.inkspot.net><32466B0614B64B9AA99AC2A26E299B30@JOY2><200809101955.m8AJtAGU065487@i2bnetworks.com><01de01c913a0$d31602e0$9701a8c0@curry.local> <008401c91419$023d75d0$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <033a01c9142c$211f5d70$9701a8c0@curry.local> I believe it is AVG 8.0 Paula > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Purvine > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:17 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Viral load > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Paula, what virus software are you using??? I have Nod32 and haven't seen > any....thank goodness. > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora and Bernie Purvine > 5801 W. Juno Street > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > (316) 522-0733 > (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) > cpurvine1@cox.net > Microsoft Service Provider > Member NAQP > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Paula Smith > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:56 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Viral load > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I agree...I had something similar happen at my other company, Copy Cat. We > are all fully and recently protected, yet 1 virus got in, went to our > server, and infected 5 computers which all had to be wiped clean and all > software reinstalled. Talk about a pain in the a** > > My IT guy told me to tell the staff I had installed "tracking" software to > monitor where they go on the 'net and any non-work-related visits would be > grounds for a write-up. Seems to be working so far > > Paula > Paula Smith > Curry Printing & Copy Center > 314 North Charles Street > Baltimore, Maryland 21201 > 410.685.2679 > 410.685.1018 fax > www.curryprint.com > paula@curryprint.com > "IMPOSSIBLE DEADLINES MET" > We make banners and signs! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:53 PM > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: [PrintOwners] Viral load > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners Li