Plates Platesetter Worflow ((was Luddite no more)....(was Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Scott and charge cards))

Tue Oct 21 18:47:02 EDT 2008

We looked at EVO thoroughly, so has John Henry so you can also ask 
him what he thinks. I think it was way overpriced for what it offers. 
We've been using a Navigator RIP for almost 10 years now so for us it 
was an upgrade path as opposed to a new outright license. The GPS 
workflow looked more solid than the Screen TruFlow plus I've seen 
some griping about TruFlow on some of the prepress chat boards and I 
also know someone locally who isn't really happy with it so thats why 
we choose to go again with Xitron. And Harlequin easily handles XPS 
which isn't big now, but has the potential to be..so we're ready for 
that if it happens.

As far as the DOP plates..we tested them and my pressman likes them 
and also I know a guy running a 5 color 29" Lithrone with a coater 
that also likes them. They're a bit touchier to handle than 
conventional plates, but once you screw up a few, you learn to be 
more careful. They can also can be burned conventionally (you know, 
like with film...seems so yesterday) so they make a good plate for 
the transition..

The complaints you've probably heard are from the earlier versions of 
these plates...which were dogs...but the technology is ready for 
prime time which is why we're going forward with them (we always wait 
for prime time)...

And, the biggee....no more processor. No more chemistry and suddenly 
we turned a bright shade of green...

S.

At 10:34 AM 10/21/2008, you wrote:
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>Scott,
>
>We've been investigating new plate-setters to replace an aging DPX and your
>purchase is interesting. We've been looking at Xitron, and your decision to
>purchase that workflow may influence our decision (we've been looking at
>Kodak's EVO and one of the Xitron solutions, we seem to like Xitron better).
>
>We haven't decided on a plate-setter yet, but one of the biggest questions
>we still have to answer is what plate to use. I've heard good, and bad
>comments, on many of the plates that don't require processing (mostly bad).
>
>Most of the negative comments seem to come from the people using plates that
>finish the processing on press (non-image area's transfer from plate to
>blanket to paper).
>
>Can you summarize what influenced your decision to use Kodak Thermal DOP
>plates? Have you tested these plates?
>
>TIA
>
>Mitch Eaton
>The Printing Station
>1420 Locust Street
>Des Moines, IA 50309
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>[mailto:printowners-bounces at printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel
>Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 11:44 AM
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>Subject: Luddite no more....(was Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Scott and charge
>cards)
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>So uh yeah..damn I wish I would have done this years ago.
>
>Actually its not up and running yet. We're building out the room its
>going into (Jeff you remember the cave?) it now has new paint, and
>air conditioning, and a new drop ceiling with lots of lighting....
>
>damn I wish I would have done that years ago.....
>
>SO um I didn't have time to learn the new RIP and workflow, will do
>that when I get back. But its interesting how this is all going to work out.
>
>We're replacing a SelectSet 5000 imagesetter, a Mitsubishi CP-310
>Silvermaster platemaker, a NuArc FTV403up Frame/Plateburner, a Nuarc
>261Ks Frame/Plateburner, an Imation 2365 Matchprint Proofer, a Film
>Developer/Processor a Plate Developer Processor, and a light table with...
>
>A Screen 4100 Platesetter, and Epson 9880 44" Proofer and a new
>Xitron Navigator 8 with the PDF GPS Workflow. We'll have enough room
>now to move the Bizhubs (just bought a second 6500) in there as well.
>
>We're going to run the new Kodak Thermal DOP plates so all of our
>chemistry is bye bye...."sniff" we'll miss all that fun stuff....NOT.
>
>We'll be about as green as you get.
>
>So yeah...2008 turned out to be the year of the deal, I am glad we
>waited since the pricing on all this has been nothing short of phenomenal.
>
>But sure wish I'd had all this before now.
>
>S.
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>
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>At 08:54 AM 10/21/2008, you wrote:
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> >I can't recall ever having a Credit Card charge back either.  But we
> >do get NSF checks now and then.
> >
> >Another Luddite moment for Mr. Technology.  So how's that CTP unit
> >working? Are you thinking, "damn, why didn't I do this years ago" yet?
> >
> >There is such a broad array of technology, methodology, and devices
> >out there, no one can use them all. I'm sure we're in the stone age
> >in certain aspects of our shop, (still using Peachtree for invoicing
> >for instance) and yet now and then you hear someone else admit to
> >something you just can't imagine. How could anyone be so backward as
> >to not take credit cards, for instance.
> >I should probably be on my way to Chicago right now to learn more
> >stuff, but I kind of feel like I've got all the stuff I can possibly use
>now.
> >
> >It's kind of like life in general.  How many of us actually floss
> >our teeth every day?  Exercise 30 minutes a day? Stretch before
> >excercising? Rebalance our investment portfolio quarterly? Eat six
> >servings of vegetables every day. Change our oil every 3,000 miles?
> >Have a colonoscopy every three years? Etc. etc. etc.
> >
> >As Plato said about 2,300 years ago, "Be kind, for everyone you meet
> >is fighting a terrible battle."
> >
> >Dan Huntingford
> >SOS Printing
> >2319 Washington Street
> >Port Townsend, WA 98368
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> >sos at olympus.net
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