[PrintOwners] Re: A plan for no data loss

Scott Cappel smc at sorrentomesa.com
Wed Oct 15 11:00:32 EDT 2008 

The Mac OS is different the Windows, but knowing 
as much about Windows as you do Dennis, you'd 
find it surprisingly simple to work with if you 
learned it. After all, its just Linux with a very 
nice, easy to use interface. Pretty simple really 
compared to Windows, I think thats why so many people like it that use it.

And you and Ron brought up a great point that I 
forgot to mention. Even with RAID 5 horsepower, 
you still need to do an occasional global backup 
that needs to go off site. We have several large 
drives we do this with. But there is less of a 
need (I do it usually once every few months) when 
you know that you have constant data protection 
in place for any hardware failure. Really 
critical files (like the Printer's Plan .mdb file 
and the Quickbooks .qbb file) I usually drag 
those once a week manually across my VPN to a machine at home.

S.



At 07:28 AM 10/15/2008, you wrote:
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>Agreed. My server has a raid 5 array and if I 
>could feel sure the mac was playing nice with it 
>I wouldn't be quite so paranoid about backing it 
>up. I guess the ideal for the mac would be to 
>set it up raid 1, but I am not comfortable with 
>the mac os so I back up instead. And be sure to 
>test your back ups. About 5 years ago I learned 
>the hard way that my tape drive was going 
>through the motions, but not doing the job. 6 
>months of bad data taught me to check the back 
>ups. Shortly after that I set up the raid 5 on 
>the server, but I still back up. It lets me 
>sleep better knowing a copy of my records is off 
>site. Printshops have been know to burn down.
>
>Dennis W. Ewing Sr
>Ewing and Sons Printing
>12000 Crownpoint, #130
>San Antonio, TX 78233
>dennisewing at satx.rr.com
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>Ron Sardo wrote:
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>>As always, good advice Scott
>>
>>I guess I'm paranoid, even though I have a raid 
>>5, I like to take a full HD off site.
>>You never know what can happen.
>>
>>Ron Sardo
>>Sugarloaf Print Shop
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>>Scott Cappel wrote:
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>>>There are some things you can do avoid all of this.... like....
>>>
>>>Run Raid 5 servers like SNAPs or an 
>>>equivalent. All your important data goes on 
>>>the SNAPs...a drive fails you replace it and 
>>>move on. We currently have 3 in the rack and we've never had issues.
>>>
>>>All important non-data storage boxes like a 
>>>Windows Server Domain Controller (AD) or a 
>>>Printers Plan server (or a PrintSmith Master) 
>>>set it up with 2 mirrored drives, a RAID 1, a 
>>>drive fails you just replace it and move on.
>>>
>>>For the Macs you use Time Machine with 
>>>Leopard, we have a 1TB Time Capsule in my 
>>>office and a 1TB Time Machine at my house, 
>>>backs up my Mac Workstations and my laptop 
>>>here and at home as well as my wife's at home 
>>>automatically through the air. Set it and 
>>>forget it...btw Windows has nothing I've ever 
>>>seen like this. Its not even fair....
>>>
>>>Drive failures are inevitable they happen all 
>>>the time. Prepare for it, the tools are all out there.
>>>
>>>And this Windows vs Mac things.....so silly. Its not even close.
>>>
>>>S.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>At 07:26 AM 10/14/2008, you wrote:
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>>>>I have had it happen 3 times on my G5 dual 
>>>>processor machine running tiger. Full drive 
>>>>backups saved my butt. It does happen to macs 
>>>>and in this shop more often than to the pcs. 
>>>>He who fails to back up is a fool waiting to 
>>>>lose. If your macs are not backed up do so 
>>>>today. As I said before, it is not if the 
>>>>hard drive will fail - it is when will it 
>>>>fail. They all quit, just some make it until 
>>>>you junk the computer and others don't.
>>>>
>>>>Dennis W. Ewing Sr
>>>>Ewing and Sons Printing
>>>>12000 Crownpoint, #130
>>>>San Antonio, TX 78233
>>>>dennisewing at satx.rr.com
>>>>ewingandsons at satx.rr.com
>>>>210/650-5311
>>>>210/650-9916 Fax
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Wes Cornwell wrote:
>>>>>The reason I didn't do a hard drive back-up 
>>>>>is that I'm used to Macs where this kind of thing doesn't happen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Wes Cornwell
>>>>>Sundance Printing
>>>>>10240 Progress Lane
>>>>>Parker, CO 80134
>>>>>303-841-3094
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----
>>>>>From: Ron Sardo <po-lists at sugarloafprint.com>
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>>>>>Owners Only <printowners at printweb.org>
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>>>>>And the reason you didn't do a complete 
>>>>>harddrive backup before you installed SP3 is?
>>>>>
>>>>>External harddrive - $100
>>>>>Arconis True Image - $50
>>>>>Knowing you can easily restore your system - Priceless
>>>>>
>>>>>Ron Sardo
>>>>>Sugarloaf Print Shop
>>>>>mailto:po-lists at sugarloafprint.com
>>>>>www.sugarloafprint.com
>>>>>570-788-5099 • Fax: 570-788-6077
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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