From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 00:00:31 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Oct 1 00:00:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection jar for flushes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0809302100h64f12d46n780950b170146a5d@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:04 PM, wrote: > > By the way, we are making no attempt to charge customers who ask to use the > washrooms. > There you go -- not charging for stuff. You of all people, John. This is where the slippery slope begins. I don't get it: if there's enough value in getting to go when one has to, then I see no reason why one wouldn't be willing -- and shouldn't be expected -- to pay for the luxury. I don't know why it's always up to me to say it, but I think you're leaving a lot of money on the table. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Wed Oct 1 00:16:44 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Wed Oct 1 00:16:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam In-Reply-To: <8CAF149735A7DAA-99C-2510@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAF149735A7DAA-99C-2510@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <188CD971-EA70-455D-B78F-46BB01627192@bellsouth.net> We have just gone live with WebsitesForPrinters. I have a lot to learn, and still some setting up to do... One of the things we plan on utilizing is the Printer's at Work email newsletter, which I will customize each edition. I will explore how to import the email addresses we have in Printsmith and import them into WFP to send out the newsletter. Plus I want to manually add other email addresses I have culled from customers or prospects. Would it be unethical to send the first issue to customers and contacts we have had a relationship with, without first asking them to opt in? I don't want to be seen as a spammer, but I prefer not to have to contact them all and ask for permission first... Time consuming to say the least. To me spam is when I get unsolicited stuff from people I have never met. So, if a company I had requested a quote from, or purchased a product from sent me an email, newsletter, ad, etc., it wouldn't feel like spam to me, but good solid marketing. But I thought I'd ask for the opinion of the list! By the way, they can easily opt out by clicking on the unsubscribe button on the bottom. Thanks for you feed back! Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 From bcreighton at danielsprinting.us Wed Oct 1 00:31:33 2008 From: bcreighton at danielsprinting.us (Bill) Date: Wed Oct 1 00:31:35 2008 Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [PrintOwners] Collection jar for flushes In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0809302100h64f12d46n780950b170146a5d@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0809302100h64f12d46n780950b170146a5d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <490A8A09.6050806@danielsprinting.us> Reminds me of walking around in New York City in the 60's looking for a place to p. Cost a dime. Too expensive. Bill Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:04 PM, wrote: > > >> By the way, we are making no attempt to charge customers who ask to use the >> washrooms. >> >> > > > > There you go -- not charging for stuff. You of all people, John. This is > where the slippery slope begins. I don't get it: if there's enough value in > getting to go when one has to, then I see no reason why one wouldn't be > willing -- and shouldn't be expected -- to pay for the luxury. I don't know > why it's always up to me to say it, but I think you're leaving a lot of > money on the table. > > > -- Bill Creighton Daniels Printing 2141 Priest Bridge Drive Suite 5 Crofton, MD 301.261.3426 From mike at arborprinting.com Wed Oct 1 07:11:33 2008 From: mike at arborprinting.com (mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Wed Oct 1 07:11:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] work and turn.. here's what works References: Message-ID: <001801c923b6$773dd210$6500a8c0@den> On what press? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry" To: "Printowners" Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:27 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] work and turn.. here's what works ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We work and turn instantly. On all jobs. For 23 years since we got better at knowing what we were doing. Our pressman is naqp award winning pressman from the 80's. I'd recomment practice on ink/water balance. Should be very little smear with a finger stroke across the printed piece right off the press. That's what he told me. He swipes his finger across the top oscillator, and gets no ink on his finger, that's when he know's he's in balance. HTH. Best, Larry Desert Pacific Printing _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From tammie at macombprinter.com Wed Oct 1 08:27:40 2008 From: tammie at macombprinter.com (Tammie at Quick Print & Signs) Date: Wed Oct 1 08:28:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Zip Code help In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0809302100h64f12d46n780950b170146a5d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I know this can be done, but haven't done it enough. I have an Excel file and one of the zip codes is for New Jersey. It starts with a 0. It is dropping it. I know why, but I don't know how to fix. Thanks, Tammie Tammie Speer ---------------------------------- Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ QUICK PRINT & SIGNS __________________________________ 1120 East Jackson Street Macomb, IL 61455 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From mkahny at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 08:33:14 2008 From: mkahny at gmail.com (Michael Kahny) Date: Wed Oct 1 08:33:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam In-Reply-To: <188CD971-EA70-455D-B78F-46BB01627192@bellsouth.net> References: <8CAF149735A7DAA-99C-2510@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> <188CD971-EA70-455D-B78F-46BB01627192@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <7bb924c10810010533l1bc5290al68ce751a6a3fef66@mail.gmail.com> Ben, I'm no spam filter expert but I have personally seen issues with certain email addresses being "filtered" as spam after sending the types of emails you are talking about. All a customer has to do is click on a "this is spam" button when your newsletter arrives to have all your future emails directed to their spam folder. Can be a real pain. I would NEVER recommend a printer use email to promote the use of printing. It just doesn't sound right. - Mike Michael Kahny Kahny Printing Cincinnati, OH On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:16 AM, Ben Travis wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have just gone live with WebsitesForPrinters. I have a lot to learn, and > still some setting up to do... > > One of the things we plan on utilizing is the Printer's at Work email > newsletter, which I will customize each edition. > > I will explore how to import the email addresses we have in Printsmith and > import them into WFP to send out the newsletter. Plus I want to manually add > other email addresses I have culled from customers or prospects. > > Would it be unethical to send the first issue to customers and contacts we > have had a relationship with, without first asking them to opt in? I don't > want to be seen as a spammer, but I prefer not to have to contact them all > and ask for permission first... Time consuming to say the least. > > To me spam is when I get unsolicited stuff from people I have never met. > So, if a company I had requested a quote from, or purchased a product from > sent me an email, newsletter, ad, etc., it wouldn't feel like spam to me, > but good solid marketing. But I thought I'd ask for the opinion of the list! > > By the way, they can easily opt out by clicking on the unsubscribe button > on the bottom. > > Thanks for you feed back! > > > Ben Travis > > Copy Express > 4004-A South Blvd. > Charlotte, NC 20209 > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net > 704-527-1750 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Wed Oct 1 08:42:49 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Wed Oct 1 08:44:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Zip Code help In-Reply-To: References: <98f5b19a0809302100h64f12d46n780950b170146a5d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Had the same problem and someone on this list helped me out (John Stewart I believe). Right click on the column with the zip code, go to Format Cells, under the Number tab select Special and Zip Code should be an option. Should take care of it. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tammie at Quick Print & Signs Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:28 AM To: Printowners List Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Zip Code help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I know this can be done, but haven't done it enough. I have an Excel file and one of the zip codes is for New Jersey. It starts with a 0. It is dropping it. I know why, but I don't know how to fix. Thanks, Tammie Tammie Speer ---------------------------------- Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ QUICK PRINT & SIGNS __________________________________ 1120 East Jackson Street Macomb, IL 61455 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From bherion at bucksdigital.com Wed Oct 1 09:01:58 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Wed Oct 1 09:02:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Excel Zip Code help In-Reply-To: <20081001122818.6F7DB10B1B66@rb.enter.net> References: <20081001122818.6F7DB10B1B66@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20081001090013.034a9a48@bucksdigital.com> Tammie, One quickt way to resolve is to duplicate your header row. That way the file will be seen as text. Bob At 08:28 AM 10/1/2008, you wrote: >I know this can be done, but haven't done it enough. I have an Excel file >and one of the zip codes is for New Jersey. It starts with a 0. It is >dropping it. I know why, but I don't know how to fix. > >Thanks, >Tammie Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! NEW - GLOSS AND SATIN UV COATING We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From kellycrom at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 09:07:38 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Wed Oct 1 09:07:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Zip Code help In-Reply-To: References: <98f5b19a0809302100h64f12d46n780950b170146a5d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <054001c923c6$af07a3a0$0d16eae0$@com> Select the column and right click. Select cell properties and choose Special, then choose zip code. Then, with many programs you are using for merging, you may have to save the list as a text file(ie csv). Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tammie at Quick Print & Signs > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:28 AM > To: Printowners List > Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Zip Code help > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I know this can be done, but haven't done it enough. I have an Excel > file > and one of the zip codes is for New Jersey. It starts with a 0. It is > dropping it. I know why, but I don't know how to fix. > > Thanks, > Tammie > > > Tammie Speer > ---------------------------------- > Tammie@MacombPrinter.com > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > QUICK PRINT & SIGNS > __________________________________ > 1120 East Jackson Street > Macomb, IL 61455 > 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 > http://www.macombprinter.com > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jdaghir at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 09:09:14 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Wed Oct 1 09:09:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Work and Turn In-Reply-To: References: <98f5b19a0809301019g508bdd40g26d3c1e1c9910eec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620810010609t24bab3d6j26695e8a7183d14a@mail.gmail.com> Depends on your press, ink, fountain solution, operator skill, etc. We do work & turns all the time, frequently with with no time in between running the front and running the back. But we have a hot air dryer and I think the infeed roller configuration on our Hamada is just the opposite of that on your Ryobi - we have a steel roller on bottom and a rubber roller on top. I suspect having a rubber roller run against wet ink would be more prone to problems with offset & smearing. I know we do often have a problem with multi-pass work. The first pass has to be pretty dry before we can run it through again for the second pass. But if we have have a heavy coverage 2 sided job and we're concerned about smearing on a work & turn we would normally run it sheetwise and not bother with trying to save a few plates & setup time with a work & turn. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Borzou: > On a simple two color job (very light coverage, business cards), how long do > you have to wait to turn and re-run a work and turn job? Our pressmans > waits up to an hour, and then still usually has some smudging and stuff and > says he backed it up too soon. We have a Ryobi 3302 w/crestline dampening > system, use poly plates, and are printing on 100# cougar. Should he be > waiting longer? Doesn't that kill the efficiency of the work and turn if > the press is sitting idle? From tracey at targetcopy.com Wed Oct 1 09:33:56 2008 From: tracey at targetcopy.com (Tracey Cohen) Date: Wed Oct 1 09:34:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam In-Reply-To: <7bb924c10810010533l1bc5290al68ce751a6a3fef66@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CAF149735A7DAA-99C-2510@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> <188CD971-EA70-455D-B78F-46BB01627192@bellsouth.net> <7bb924c10810010533l1bc5290al68ce751a6a3fef66@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003001c923ca$5c9f4ec0$15ddec40$@com> We are actually going through the same quandary here, as I am looking to send out an email promotion to our current customers who have not officially opted in and others who actually have opted in through a customer satisfaction card. When it comes to current customers, my thought is this - because they have already made a purchase from you, they have essentially "opted in." I get tons of emails everyday from the places that I shop most frequently, and I am certain that I did not opt in to receiving their promotions - I simply provided my email address to them so they could send me confirmation of my purchase. I make the conscious choice whether to remove myself from these stores' communication to me or to continue to receive it. I find that the stores that I tend to choose to keep receiving emails from the stores I value most. So you may get a few people to mark you as spam, but the customers who know you and want to continue to do business with you will likely choose to keep receiving your emails. Now, it's possible that I am completely wrong on this issue, legally or otherwise, but that's the way I see it. I'll let you know if we get any serious backlash from the email we're sending out this week. Tracey G. Cohen Target Copy 850.224.3007 850.325.3668 fax 635 West Tennessee Street Tallahassee, Fl 32304 www.targetcopy.com On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:16 AM, Ben Travis wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have just gone live with WebsitesForPrinters. I have a lot to learn, and > still some setting up to do... > > One of the things we plan on utilizing is the Printer's at Work email > newsletter, which I will customize each edition. > > I will explore how to import the email addresses we have in Printsmith and > import them into WFP to send out the newsletter. Plus I want to manually add > other email addresses I have culled from customers or prospects. > > Would it be unethical to send the first issue to customers and contacts we > have had a relationship with, without first asking them to opt in? I don't > want to be seen as a spammer, but I prefer not to have to contact them all > and ask for permission first... Time consuming to say the least. > > To me spam is when I get unsolicited stuff from people I have never met. > So, if a company I had requested a quote from, or purchased a product from > sent me an email, newsletter, ad, etc., it wouldn't feel like spam to me, > but good solid marketing. But I thought I'd ask for the opinion of the list! > > By the way, they can easily opt out by clicking on the unsubscribe button > on the bottom. > > Thanks for you feed back! > > > Ben Travis > > Copy Express > 4004-A South Blvd. > Charlotte, NC 20209 > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net > 704-527-1750 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed Oct 1 09:56:16 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed Oct 1 09:56:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection jar for flushes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAF1E49BA6F051-77C-26FE@webmail-dd08.sysops.aol.com> this one takes the cake. Ingenious Charles! Still laughing Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Charles A. Lincoln To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 8:55 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Collection jar for flushes ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? On Sep 30, 2008, at 4:45 PM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote:? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? > I disagree with the above in the sense that I don't think it is the? > responsibility of owners to supply both soap and paper towels in > the bathrooms. For? > Pete's sake, we are already providing bathrooms, which is a lot > more than you? ? ? REPLY:? You could charge a bit more and make this a profit center by offering FREE BRAN MUFFINS, PRUNE JUICE and TEA.? Just a thought...? ? _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/? ? Charles Lincoln? ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY? 612 30th Avenue? Fairbanks, Alaska 99701? (907) 451-1111? fax (907) 451-4511? ? _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/? ? _____________________ __________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Wed Oct 1 10:03:29 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Wed Oct 1 10:02:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Zip Code help In-Reply-To: <20081001122817.E228F10B1B63@rb.enter.net> References: <20081001122817.E228F10B1B63@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <04C25942-A0DA-4807-B33A-AC2700047CFD@sheergraphics.com> Hope this helps. > I know this can be done, but haven't done it enough. I have an Excel > file > and one of the zip codes is for New Jersey. It starts with a 0. It is > dropping it. I know why, but I don't know how to fix. From my archives: Select the column you are using, and hit format cells. Under the type, select general, and then you can type in four zeros or whatever amount you need. (0000). That will make the cells numbers with zeros in front of them. Then you can type in the start number in the top of the column, and hit Edit > Fill > Series and you can make the numbers increase by 1 and put in the stop number. That all works great. But. . . when I merge the numbers in InDesign it always starts with 0002 and goes forward, instead of starting with 0001. I assume that's because it assumes line one is the title of the file, but I can't find any way to put a title in line 1 and still get it to put numbers in line 2 and on. If I put a title in line 1 it just copies that title down the column. What am I doing wrong now? Do you have to manually type in a title in the.csv file? or what? After I get my columns set up for whatever job I'm doing, I go in and add a new row, and then put labels in the top. For instance, on a three up item I'll have three rows of numbers, and label them top, middle, and bottom. Or 1, 2 and 3, or whatever. The numbers come out right then. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michelle Maynor ----------------------------------------------------------- Select the cells where you want leading zeros to appear... Format ---> Cells ---> Number Tab ---> Custom In the box in the right hand column of the dialog box under "Type", enter the number of zeros corresponding to the total number of digits you want in your printed number. For example, if you want 4 digit numbers, like 0001, enter four zeros in the box. That takes care of it. Doug Shelton -------------------------------------------------------------- Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Wed Oct 1 10:09:03 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Wed Oct 1 10:09:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Errors and omissions In-Reply-To: <41aa6a080809301857j5114614bg27095649c5b4f1c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <41aa6a080809301857j5114614bg27095649c5b4f1c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E3847F.6090700@satx.rr.com> If it works like my policy you will only be paid for the damages to the customer. The cost of the reprint is on you. If you used a lettershop for the mailing they will pay that and they will pay the postage. I have this information due to a mailing where one of the inside pages got mixed up with the one from the last mailing. Safeco handles the whole thing quickly and impressed my customer. As the mailing is a partnership with another guy I only had to eat the reprint. The revised mailer was in the mail in a week and the client was very pleased. All I did was fax receipts to my agent and they took care of it. Hope I never need it again, but it saved the relationship with the client. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Dennis Trump wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I've had a wild ride in the past few weeks and as I've shared this with a > few people I promised I would post it to the list as I had time. I have a > client we mail for and it is one of our larger accounts. Basically we buy a > new list each time we mail so there is a charge for printing, mailing, list > purchase and postage. The mailing consists of 120,000 postcards per order > and we mail two to three times a month. The total for the order averages > around $46,000 per mailing. I have an employee who's responsibility it is to > download the purchased list and process the mailing. This employee > downloaded and extracted the new list but imported an older previously used > list. This caused the recipients of the mailing to log on to our clients > website using two unique codes when they should have had only one. My client > became suspicious that the list broker sold us duplicate names but after > weeks of digging I found the error was made by us. > > The employee who processed the file incorrectly was using IM software on the > mailing computer and was obviously distracted at the time. I know this > because I have been monitoring the employee's computer usage using stealth > software. The employee was terminated for the error and escorted from the > building without being allowed to get back on to the computer. I intend to > fight any unemployment claim and will use screen shots from the time the > error occurred to prove what the employee was involved in when the error > occurred. > > I told my client of the error and am running a new list at no charge > basically eating the entire $46,000. I have an errors and omissions rider on > my insurance policy and I have contacted my insurance agent. He has > initially indicated I might be covered on this. I'll believe it when I see a > check written out to me. I'll keep you posted on how this all turns out. I'm > keeping my fingers crossed that he is correct but I can tell you that if I'm > not covered in this instance I won't be renewing with him next year. > > The good news is my SPE just went up. > > From jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com Wed Oct 1 10:10:26 2008 From: jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com (Jim Quinn) Date: Wed Oct 1 10:10:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam In-Reply-To: <7bb924c10810010533l1bc5290al68ce751a6a3fef66@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think it's o.k. and safe to send emails to people who have given you their emails for communications. It's also good for printers use email for their marketing and to sell email broadcasts to their customers as an additional service. It's a real good follow-up to a regular mailing & increases the response rate. For our own PURL campaigns, we've got about 1/2 our responses from the initial postcard and 1/2 from the follow-up email. It's safest to use an outside service for these emails, we've used InterLink One and Constant Contact after a semi-disaster sending them out ourselves. One of the Dallas email services put us on their Spammer list because they saw a lot of email coming through at one time. Our service had to go to bat for us to get us removed so that our regular email communications to our customers would go through. Jim Quinn Sir Speedy 4043 15323 Midway Road Addison, TX 75001 Phone 972-788-4266 Fax 972-788-2367 jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Kahny Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:33 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Ben, I'm no spam filter expert but I have personally seen issues with certain email addresses being "filtered" as spam after sending the types of emails you are talking about. All a customer has to do is click on a "this is spam" button when your newsletter arrives to have all your future emails directed to their spam folder. Can be a real pain. I would NEVER recommend a printer use email to promote the use of printing. It just doesn't sound right. - Mike Michael Kahny Kahny Printing Cincinnati, OH On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:16 AM, Ben Travis wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have just gone live with WebsitesForPrinters. I have a lot to > learn, and still some setting up to do... > > One of the things we plan on utilizing is the Printer's at Work email > newsletter, which I will customize each edition. > > I will explore how to import the email addresses we have in Printsmith > and import them into WFP to send out the newsletter. Plus I want to > manually add other email addresses I have culled from customers or prospects. > > Would it be unethical to send the first issue to customers and > contacts we have had a relationship with, without first asking them to > opt in? I don't want to be seen as a spammer, but I prefer not to have > to contact them all and ask for permission first... Time consuming to say the least. > > To me spam is when I get unsolicited stuff from people I have never met. > So, if a company I had requested a quote from, or purchased a product > from sent me an email, newsletter, ad, etc., it wouldn't feel like > spam to me, but good solid marketing. But I thought I'd ask for the opinion of the list! > > By the way, they can easily opt out by clicking on the unsubscribe > button on the bottom. > > Thanks for you feed back! > > > Ben Travis > > Copy Express > 4004-A South Blvd. > Charlotte, NC 20209 > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net > 704-527-1750 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Wed Oct 1 10:18:11 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Wed Oct 1 10:18:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam In-Reply-To: <20081001135657.8219E10B2005@rb.enter.net> References: <20081001135657.8219E10B2005@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <89734E706AE048978E1A376597D61960@Leo4allPC> Letterpress will never be replaced by offset. Customers want real photo typesetting not DTP from a laser, it is just a fad. No one will ever buy printing from the internet. I would NEVER recommend a printer use email to promote the use of printing. Think about it... John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From david.doost at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 10:26:00 2008 From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost) Date: Wed Oct 1 10:26:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam In-Reply-To: <003001c923ca$5c9f4ec0$15ddec40$@com> References: <8CAF149735A7DAA-99C-2510@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> <188CD971-EA70-455D-B78F-46BB01627192@bellsouth.net> <7bb924c10810010533l1bc5290al68ce751a6a3fef66@mail.gmail.com> <003001c923ca$5c9f4ec0$15ddec40$@com> Message-ID: <48e38879.2204be0a.04d9.ffffc8e6@mx.google.com> We have been doing this (once or twice a month email newsletters) for the past two years. I view it as nothing but one more tool for communicating with my customers and prospects. I also had some conflicts at the beginning of what these were viewed as by folks we sent them to. So we did a small test - all the feedback was positive. So we held our breath and did the first mass email. Out of 900 or so (we are up to 1,800) we had one or two opt outs. Results? The web page view count from the month we sent out vs month prior and every month since has dramatically increased. I consider it a success because it is putting our name in front of our target audience for a very reasonable amount. Only surprise I had was how many email addresses bounced back as obsolete. Actual $ as a result of e-newsletters? Have no idea but I know it doesn't hurt. I do know that our phones get busier right after we send these -mostly from our existing customers reordering. Since everyone is busy multi-tasking - perhaps it helps jog their memory of what they forgot to do? Customers view of a printer who sends electronic newsletters? (we still send regular printed mailers as well) My personal opinion is that my customers look at us as a resource. As such we need to be up on some of the latest technology that relates to what we do. The ability to send these e-newsletters is a part of that. Are we junk mailers because we send printed items they get in their mailbox? At least with these email newsletters they have the option to opt out and/or send it to their junk in box. I don't think anyone of our customers or prospects stopped doing business with us as a result of these newsletters; I have the same expectations of this as with printed items we mail out. Bottom line: part of my job as an owner is to help bring business in. This tool helps me with doing that. Ben - as far as importing the list: Just export your PS customer list into excel and email it to WFP. They will import it for you for the first time. After that it is easy to import individually. Hope that helps. David Doost Printing Impression Kennesaw, GA 30144 On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:16 AM, Ben Travis wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have just gone live with WebsitesForPrinters. I have a lot to learn, and > still some setting up to do... > > One of the things we plan on utilizing is the Printer's at Work email > newsletter, which I will customize each edition. > > I will explore how to import the email addresses we have in Printsmith and > import them into WFP to send out the newsletter. Plus I want to manually add > other email addresses I have culled from customers or prospects. > > Would it be unethical to send the first issue to customers and contacts we > have had a relationship with, without first asking them to opt in? I don't > want to be seen as a spammer, but I prefer not to have to contact them all > and ask for permission first... Time consuming to say the least. > > To me spam is when I get unsolicited stuff from people I have never met. > So, if a company I had requested a quote from, or purchased a product from > sent me an email, newsletter, ad, etc., it wouldn't feel like spam to me, > but good solid marketing. But I thought I'd ask for the opinion of the list! > > By the way, they can easily opt out by clicking on the unsubscribe button > on the bottom. > > Thanks for you feed back! > > > Ben Travis > > Copy Express > 4004-A South Blvd. > Charlotte, NC 20209 > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net > 704-527-1750 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed Oct 1 10:27:31 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed Oct 1 10:28:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam In-Reply-To: <188CD971-EA70-455D-B78F-46BB01627192@bellsouth.net> References: <8CAF149735A7DAA-99C-2510@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> <188CD971-EA70-455D-B78F-46BB01627192@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <8CAF1E8F920DD37-77C-2978@webmail-dd08.sysops.aol.com> Same thing we spoke about. But too many to call & try to get a hold of the right person & you will have to make numerous calls. Some areas IMO doesn't require it. We've had clients call to confirm that it was us sending. Very little resistance. Go ahead and send. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Ben Travis To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:16 am Subject: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? We have just gone live with WebsitesForPrinters. I have a lot to learn, and still some setting up to do...? ? One of the things we plan on utilizing is the Printer's at Work email newsletter, which I will customize each edition.? ? I will explore how to import the email addresses we have in Printsmith and import them into WFP to send out the newsletter. Plus I want to manually add other email addresses I have culled from customers or prospects.? ? Would it be unethical to send the first issue to customers and contacts we have had a relationship with, without first asking them to opt in? I don't want to be seen as a spammer, but I prefer not to have to=2 0contact them all and ask for permission first... Time consuming to say the least.? ? To me spam is when I get unsolicited stuff from people I have never met. So, if a company I had requested a quote from, or purchased a product from sent me an email, newsletter, ad, etc., it wouldn't feel like spam to me, but good solid marketing. But I thought I'd ask for the opinion of the list!? ? By the way, they can easily opt out by clicking on the unsubscribe button on the bottom.? ? Thanks for you feed back!? ? Ben Travis? ? Copy Express? 4004-A South Blvd.? Charlotte, NC 20209? cpyxpres@bellsouth.net? 704-527-1750? ? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Wed Oct 1 10:36:59 2008 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Wed Oct 1 10:37:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim is right; there's a right way and a wrong way to do this. The simple, safe way is to engage the services of an email marketing company like Constant Contact or local sources. The email addresses that are used should come from people who willingly gave them to you. And all emails need an opt-out option. I'm just starting to read "E-Mail Marketing for Dummies". It seems helpful so far. I fully intend to market our services via email very soon. Should have been doing it years ago. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Jim Quinn Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:10 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I think it's o.k. and safe to send emails to people who have given you their emails for communications. It's also good for printers use email for their marketing and to sell email broadcasts to their customers as an additional service. It's a real good follow-up to a regular mailing & increases the response rate. For our own PURL campaigns, we've got about 1/2 our responses from the initial postcard and 1/2 from the follow-up email. It's safest to use an outside service for these emails, we've used InterLink One and Constant Contact after a semi-disaster sending them out ourselves. One of the Dallas email services put us on their Spammer list because they saw a lot of email coming through at one time. Our service had to go to bat for us to get us removed so that our regular email communications to our customers would go through. Jim Quinn Sir Speedy 4043 15323 Midway Road Addison, TX 75001 Phone 972-788-4266 Fax 972-788-2367 jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com - From greg at pressexpress.org Wed Oct 1 10:41:08 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed Oct 1 10:41:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection jar for flushes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9E23CBE8-97BF-48EB-AA2F-F22074CEC6CD@pressexpress.org> John, you have got to be kidding! Don't you have insurance to cover this type of thing? I know we are close to becoming a 3rd world country but we are not! (yet) Why don't you just put a vending lock on the stall door like there use to be in county office buildings. If your press breaks down, are you going to charge the pressman to run it? It is part of the business gamble. You, the owner, are the one that is suppose to be reaping the higher owners compensation, therefore, you are the one assuming the risk. Unless you pay your staff at least $60,000 per year or you match employees wages with what your W2 states as your income, don't take it out on your staff. You might find that one of your disgruntled employees might just defecate on your office chair as a message. (Only because the rebel in me would "doo" that) Anyway, just my 2 cents worth, or .50 cents worth, or why heck, I will just throw in a dollar this one time. Greg On Sep 30, 2008, at 7:45 PM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > which is a lot more than you > get in Afghanistan, Puerto Rico and other 3rd world countries ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** As many of you know, we lost our septic tank about a month ago during one of those horrendous tropical deluges that dropped 26" in just a few hours. The tank literally rose out of the ground like a monster. This month's Quick Printing magazine tells the story, or at least part of it. The costs to rebury the tank and all the reconnections ran about $7,500. Well, the good news is that the girls no longer have to use the portable toilets out in the back parking lot. I thought they were quite clean and nice, but they seemed very reluctant to use the one we had set aside for them. We even put theirs up next to the building rather than out at the end of the parking lot. So, you would think they would be extraordinarily happy that everything is back up and connected and they can now use the toilets inside the building..... BUT no, they are complaining about the small collection jars I have placed on the back of each toilet with a note asking for a donation of $1 per flush. It's not as if we are monitoring it with a camera or whatever. The girls actually got even more upset about a week ago when they heard I was only charging 50 cents per flush on the urinal, so I finally reneged on that issue and raised all of the flushes to a $1 each. The employees think this is ridiculous that we are charging, but I don't think they realize how tight the economy is and how we have to do everything possible to stretch every dollar. I've told them that if Congress passes a refinancing package suitable to what I think needs to be passed then I will consider lowering the flush charge or even eliminating it completely. No one is forcing them to use the toilets... it's their choice... use them and pay or just hold it until you go out for lunch or go home. I figure if we get eight to ten flushes a day for the next three years it will totally pay for the tank's reinstallation. By the way, we are making no attempt to charge customers who ask to use the washrooms. I'd be curious to hear what others think about this move. Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Oct 1 10:56:16 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Oct 1 10:56:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection jar for flushes Message-ID: In a message dated 10/1/2008 10:42:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, greg@pressexpress.org writes: John, you have got to be kidding! Don't you have insurance to cover this type of thing? I know we are close to becoming a 3rd world country but we are not! (yet) Actually, you cannot get an insurance company to cover hydrostatic pressure events. The problem with most people, myself included, is that you never really know what is covered by your policy until after an event happens and then you open it up and start reading it line for line. I don't think requesting donations to cover the cost of our recent septic tank repairs is that unreasonable. Actually that is one of the factors or attitudes that distinguish profit leaders from profit laggards... the ability and willingness to make hard, unpopular decisions. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From dennis.trump at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 11:04:30 2008 From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump) Date: Wed Oct 1 11:04:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Errors and omissions In-Reply-To: <48E3847F.6090700@satx.rr.com> References: <41aa6a080809301857j5114614bg27095649c5b4f1c1@mail.gmail.com> <48E3847F.6090700@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <41aa6a080810010804q5d5320e4u2c2e3ae199960221@mail.gmail.com> We are the mail house in this instance and we are out the postage. I would certainly think that would be covered. The postage alone is around $26,000. I'm in the process of contacting an adjuster right now based on the advice of someone who's been through this. There is a bigger issue in that my client might actually have a claim against us for loss of revenue. I have been up front with them and they are being very decent about this but in the end we're both out money here. Hopefully my insurance company will see this and agree to a settlement. -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Dennis Ewing wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > If it works like my policy you will only be paid for the damages to the > customer. The cost of the reprint is on you. If you used a lettershop for > the mailing they will pay that and they will pay the postage. I have this > information due to a mailing where one of the inside pages got mixed up with > the one from the last mailing. Safeco handles the whole thing quickly and > impressed my customer. As the mailing is a partnership with another guy I > only had to eat the reprint. The revised mailer was in the mail in a week > and the client was very pleased. All I did was fax receipts to my agent and > they took care of it. Hope I never need it again, but it saved the > relationship with the client. > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > Ewing and Sons Printing > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > San Antonio, TX 78233 > dennisewing@satx.rr.com > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com > 210/650-5311 > 210/650-9916 Fax > > > > Dennis Trump wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> I've had a wild ride in the past few weeks and as I've shared this with a >> few people I promised I would post it to the list as I had time. I have a >> client we mail for and it is one of our larger accounts. Basically we buy >> a >> new list each time we mail so there is a charge for printing, mailing, >> list >> purchase and postage. The mailing consists of 120,000 postcards per order >> and we mail two to three times a month. The total for the order averages >> around $46,000 per mailing. I have an employee who's responsibility it is >> to >> download the purchased list and process the mailing. This employee >> downloaded and extracted the new list but imported an older previously >> used >> list. This caused the recipients of the mailing to log on to our clients >> website using two unique codes when they should have had only one. My >> client >> became suspicious that the list broker sold us duplicate names but after >> weeks of digging I found the error was made by us. >> >> The employee who processed the file incorrectly was using IM software on >> the >> mailing computer and was obviously distracted at the time. I know this >> because I have been monitoring the employee's computer usage using stealth >> software. The employee was terminated for the error and escorted from the >> building without being allowed to get back on to the computer. I intend to >> fight any unemployment claim and will use screen shots from the time the >> error occurred to prove what the employee was involved in when the error >> occurred. >> >> I told my client of the error and am running a new list at no charge >> basically eating the entire $46,000. I have an errors and omissions rider >> on >> my insurance policy and I have contacted my insurance agent. He has >> initially indicated I might be covered on this. I'll believe it when I see >> a >> check written out to me. I'll keep you posted on how this all turns out. >> I'm >> keeping my fingers crossed that he is correct but I can tell you that if >> I'm >> not covered in this instance I won't be renewing with him next year. >> >> The good news is my SPE just went up. >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From cpurvine1 at cox.net Wed Oct 1 11:05:57 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Wed Oct 1 11:05:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection jar for flushes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000a01c923d7$35433eb0$6401a8c0@coranew> John, do you and your wife pay when you go???? Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 201-1345 Fax cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:56 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Collection jar for flushes ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 10/1/2008 10:42:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, greg@pressexpress.org writes: John, you have got to be kidding! Don't you have insurance to cover this type of thing? I know we are close to becoming a 3rd world country but we are not! (yet) Actually, you cannot get an insurance company to cover hydrostatic pressure events. The problem with most people, myself included, is that you never really know what is covered by your policy until after an event happens and then you open it up and start reading it line for line. I don't think requesting donations to cover the cost of our recent septic tank repairs is that unreasonable. Actually that is one of the factors or attitudes that distinguish profit leaders from profit laggards... the ability and willingness to make hard, unpopular decisions. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3485 (20081001) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Wed Oct 1 11:14:31 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Wed Oct 1 11:14:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Errors and omissions In-Reply-To: <41aa6a080810010804q5d5320e4u2c2e3ae199960221@mail.gmail.com> References: <41aa6a080809301857j5114614bg27095649c5b4f1c1@mail.gmail.com> <48E3847F.6090700@satx.rr.com> <41aa6a080810010804q5d5320e4u2c2e3ae199960221@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E393D7.8080801@satx.rr.com> That was a question my agent asked. Did the customer lose revenue? On my policy it is covered up to some limit. I would have to pull it out to see what it is, but that should also be covered. I know I lost a night's sleep when this happened to me. I was seriously worried that I was going to be writing a big check I couldn't afford to write. I was very glad I had the policy. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Dennis Trump wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are the mail house in this instance and we are out the postage. I would > certainly think that would be covered. The postage alone is around $26,000. > I'm in the process of contacting an adjuster right now based on the advice > of someone who's been through this. > > There is a bigger issue in that my client might actually have a claim > against us for loss of revenue. I have been up front with them and they are > being very decent about this but in the end we're both out money here. > Hopefully my insurance company will see this and agree to a settlement. > > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 11:15:32 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Oct 1 11:15:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection jar for flushes In-Reply-To: <000a01c923d7$35433eb0$6401a8c0@coranew> References: <000a01c923d7$35433eb0$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0810010815v43b4cdf2y4dd1ad760cb059ed@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Cora Purvine wrote: > > John, do you and your wife pay when you go???? > Cora, Cora, Cora -- if *they* paid, it would only dig the financial hole deeper and extend the payoff period. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From greg at pressexpress.org Wed Oct 1 11:16:46 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed Oct 1 11:17:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection jar for flushes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23B4D10C-9158-4022-AFA2-3DBA4C82C519@pressexpress.org> Good advice. I need to fire someone and have been procrastinating. Greg On Oct 1, 2008, at 9:56 AM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > Actually that is one of the factors or > attitudes that distinguish profit leaders from profit laggards... > the ability and > willingness to make hard, unpopular decisions. Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From hal at pickimp.com Wed Oct 1 11:23:56 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Wed Oct 1 11:22:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Australia -- Ahead of the curve References: Message-ID: <004801c923d9$ef4c4c00$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> http://tinyurl.com/42waqf I think our friends in Australia will get a chuckle out of this. Geoff too. Hal From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Wed Oct 1 11:23:56 2008 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Wed Oct 1 11:24:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Errors and omissions In-Reply-To: <41aa6a080810010804q5d5320e4u2c2e3ae199960221@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dennis: I sincerely wish you the best of luck on your claim. Thanks so much for the heads-up to all of us by sharing. I'll be checking our policy right now. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying From mikestevens at gutenblog.com Wed Oct 1 11:26:18 2008 From: mikestevens at gutenblog.com (Mike Stevens) Date: Wed Oct 1 11:26:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I Need Your Help - Personal - (Off) Message-ID: <1222874778.443812897@192.168.1.35> Hi everybody, It may sound crazy, but I'm going ahead with my big plans ... can you please help me? Click here to find out how you can help... [http://tinyurl.com/3n727f] http://tinyurl.com/3n727f Kindest Regards, Mike Stevens 1-800-736-0688 MikeStevens@GutenBlog.com www.WebsitesForPrinters.com www.DirectMailForPrinters.com From jacemeister at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 11:36:36 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Wed Oct 1 11:36:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] Collection jar for flushes In-Reply-To: <9E23CBE8-97BF-48EB-AA2F-F22074CEC6CD@pressexpress.org> References: <9E23CBE8-97BF-48EB-AA2F-F22074CEC6CD@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Greg Weinfurter wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > John, you have got to be kidding! > > Don't you have insurance to cover this type of thing? I know we are close > to becoming a 3rd world country but we are not! (yet) > > Why don't you just put a vending lock on the stall door like there use to > be in county office buildings. > > If your press breaks down, are you going to charge the pressman to run it? > It is part of the business gamble. You, the owner, are the one that is > suppose to be reaping the higher owners compensation, therefore, you are the > one assuming the risk. Unless you pay your staff at least $60,000 per year > or you match employees wages with what your W2 states as your income, don't > take it out on your staff. You might find that one of your disgruntled > employees might just defecate on your office chair as a message. (Only > because the rebel in me would "doo" that) > > Anyway, just my 2 cents worth, or .50 cents worth, or why heck, I will just > throw in a dollar this one time. > > Greg I'm sure all John's employees are making well over $60,000 per year so that shouldn't be an issue, but I'd also like to add that since we began requiring employees to use their own toiled paper we find there are less clogged toilets. This probably saves us several hundreds of dollars a year in plumber's bills. A couple of the girls have become so efficient that they've agreed to use a different color for each employee. I've strung a line across the ladies room with some clothes pins (all done at my expense!) so they can recycle after a #1 use and not have to worry about which towel belongs to whom. Color coding also helps prevent the spread of diseases! Let's keep this thread going. It's ideas like these that allow us to really build those retirement funds faster and bigger! -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com From sos at olympus.net Wed Oct 1 11:37:38 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Oct 1 11:37:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam References: <20081001135657.8219E10B2005@rb.enter.net> <89734E706AE048978E1A376597D61960@Leo4allPC> Message-ID: <54D37D4172DE4BCD95F8BC0EC5002302@DANIEL> > I would NEVER recommend a printer use email to promote the use of > printing. ======================== I have been thinking about that very thing as more and more of our newsletter customers are cutting down their runs for only those old curmudgeons who don't have e-mail. And sending out e-mail versions to everybody else. Sometimes they find their emails are being lost, ignored, etc. and start printing more again, but usually not. If a printshop doesn't believe that sending out printed material is the best way to promote their business, why would anyone else believe it? If we don't believe in it, how do we sell it? If we can't sell it, why invest in the equipment to produce it? Why slave away 12 hours a day to produce it? Are we all going to have to go into the packaging business to survive? Or the web page designing business, 'cause that isn't working out so well for most of us is it? Not feeling very optimistic this morning. For many reasons. It's my wife's birthday and after 26 years of coming up with birthday, Christmas, Valentine's day, Mother's day, presents, I am so far away from an idea I can't even see a glimmer from here. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From russ at mobile-print.com Wed Oct 1 11:57:27 2008 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Wed Oct 1 11:57:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection jar for flushes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E39DE7.60605@mobile-print.com> This thread has really got me thinking... You know, it's often said that a business has 2 classes of customers - outside (regular clients) and inside (employees). We all sell to our outside customers, but we really don't sell to our inside customers. Oh sure, we try to make their lives easier by having fully completed work orders, good access to supplies, quality equipment, etc., etc. But we don't really sell to them. John's concept opens a whole new area for profitability. How about the lunch room? I could charge for putting lunch in the refrigerator, or using the microwave. Or put in pop & snack machines and ban personal food & drink items (like amusement parks do). Quarter operated lockers rather than free ones. Charge for a space in the company parking lot. Sell company-branded t-shirts & hats. This is exciting! -- Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 > They also use > vast quantities of toilet paper during the process. Following that, soap and > water must be available along with paper towels. > > > Bob, > > I disagree with the above in the sense that I don't think it is the > responsibility of owners to supply both soap and paper towels in the bathrooms. For > Pete's sake, we are already providing bathrooms, which is a lot more than you > get in Afghanistan, Puerto Rico and other 3rd world countries. There is no > reason whatsoever why employees cannot buy their own bottles of hand sanitizer > and some of those handiwipes and keep these items at their desk or work > station. > > > > > From greg at pressexpress.org Wed Oct 1 12:04:53 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed Oct 1 12:05:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] Collection jar for flushes In-Reply-To: References: <9E23CBE8-97BF-48EB-AA2F-F22074CEC6CD@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: <6CA996BE-38ED-4609-AC8C-808CD2ACADD5@pressexpress.org> When Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait back in the 90's, he had to recruit his army and defend against America. He told his "volunteers" to bring their own shoes, guns, food and water. Greg On Oct 1, 2008, at 10:36 AM, Jace Prejean wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Greg Weinfurter > wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> John, you have got to be kidding! >> >> Don't you have insurance to cover this type of thing? I know we >> are close >> to becoming a 3rd world country but we are not! (yet) >> >> Why don't you just put a vending lock on the stall door like there >> use to >> be in county office buildings. >> >> If your press breaks down, are you going to charge the pressman to >> run it? >> It is part of the business gamble. You, the owner, are the one >> that is >> suppose to be reaping the higher owners compensation, therefore, >> you are the >> one assuming the risk. Unless you pay your staff at least $60,000 >> per year >> or you match employees wages with what your W2 states as your >> income, don't >> take it out on your staff. You might find that one of your >> disgruntled >> employees might just defecate on your office chair as a message. >> (Only >> because the rebel in me would "doo" that) >> >> Anyway, just my 2 cents worth, or .50 cents worth, or why heck, I >> will just >> throw in a dollar this one time. >> >> Greg > > > > I'm sure all John's employees are making well over $60,000 per year > so that > shouldn't be an issue, but I'd also like to add that since we > began requiring employees to use their own toiled paper we find > there are > less clogged toilets. This probably saves us several hundreds of > dollars a > year in plumber's bills. A couple of the girls have become so > efficient that > they've agreed to use a different color for each employee. I've > strung a > line across the ladies room with some clothes pins (all done at my > expense!) > so they can recycle after a #1 use and not have to worry about which > towel > belongs to whom. Color coding also helps prevent the spread of > diseases! > > Let's keep this thread going. It's ideas like these that allow us to > really > build those retirement funds faster and bigger! > > -- > Jace Prejean > Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc > 922 Sunset Ave > Houma, LA 70360 > Phone 985-868-8273 > > www.BayouPrinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From dvmonto at optonline.net Wed Oct 1 12:06:59 2008 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Wed Oct 1 12:07:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection jar for flushes In-Reply-To: <9E23CBE8-97BF-48EB-AA2F-F22074CEC6CD@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: Greg, I really don't think he is kidding. I have seen him do far worse things. I am also considering not only charging for the toilet use but putting a lock on the door that has to be coin fed to enter. Sort of like those carts at stores you have to pay a quarter to use......... Anything that helps the revenue stream in these lean times helps. Dave On 10/1/08 10:41 AM, "Greg Weinfurter" wrote: > John, you have got to be kidding! From greg at pressexpress.org Wed Oct 1 12:09:38 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed Oct 1 12:09:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I Need Your Help - Personal - (Off) In-Reply-To: <1222874778.443812897@192.168.1.35> References: <1222874778.443812897@192.168.1.35> Message-ID: Mike, you are crazy! Oh by the way, you got my vote! Greg On Oct 1, 2008, at 10:26 AM, Mike Stevens wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi everybody, > > It may sound crazy, but I'm going ahead with my big plans ... can > you please help me? > > Click here to find out how you can help... > > [http://tinyurl.com/3n727f] http://tinyurl.com/3n727f > > > Kindest Regards, > Mike Stevens > > 1-800-736-0688 > MikeStevens@GutenBlog.com > www.WebsitesForPrinters.com > www.DirectMailForPrinters.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From tomk at kingprintingonline.com Wed Oct 1 12:15:54 2008 From: tomk at kingprintingonline.com (Tom King) Date: Wed Oct 1 12:16:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] Collection jar for flushes In-Reply-To: References: <9E23CBE8-97BF-48EB-AA2F-F22074CEC6CD@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: <000901c923e0$facb3e40$f061bac0$@com> Jace said:>>>>>but I'd also like to add that since we began requiring employees to use their own toilet paper we find there are less clogged toilets. ------------------------------------------------ But, hmmm, wonder why we've been ordering all those reams of onionskin paper in the last few weeks. Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From greg at pressexpress.org Wed Oct 1 12:16:50 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed Oct 1 12:16:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection jar for flushes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Even though I shared my opposition, I have to admit the lock on the door and pay is not that cray of an idea. I have NO magazines in the bathroom. That just promotes milking the clock. After all, the employees are paid to work, not paid to poop. I have one employee that uses the bathroom just once or twice daily, while another, is in there every stinken hour for 5 minutes a crack! Let's see, 5 minutes times 8 times per day is 40 minutes per day, times 5 days per week is 3.3 hours per week times 52 weeks per year is 171 hours per year or over 21 work days I paid one guy for being on the sh- toilet. Can the math be right? A full work month on the crapper? Greg On Oct 1, 2008, at 11:06 AM, David Monto wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Greg, > > I really don't think he is kidding. I have seen him do far worse > things. > > I am also considering not only charging for the toilet use but > putting a > lock on the door that has to be coin fed to enter. Sort of like > those carts > at stores you have to pay a quarter to use......... > > Anything that helps the revenue stream in these lean times helps. > > Dave > > > On 10/1/08 10:41 AM, "Greg Weinfurter" wrote: > >> John, you have got to be kidding! > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From nelsonind at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 1 12:17:21 2008 From: nelsonind at sbcglobal.net (Curtis Nelson) Date: Wed Oct 1 12:18:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I Need Your Help - Personal - (Off) In-Reply-To: References: <1222874778.443812897@192.168.1.35> Message-ID: <48E3A291.40608@sbcglobal.net> That was VERY amusing. Someone spent a lot of time on that one! Have a wonderful day, Curtis Nelson Nelson Industries San Jose, CA Greg Weinfurter wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Mike, you are crazy! Oh by the way, you got my vote! > > Greg > > On Oct 1, 2008, at 10:26 AM, Mike Stevens wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Hi everybody, >> >> It may sound crazy, but I'm going ahead with my big plans ... can >> you please help me? >> >> Click here to find out how you can help... >> >> [http://tinyurl.com/3n727f] http://tinyurl.com/3n727f >> >> >> Kindest Regards, >> Mike Stevens >> >> 1-800-736-0688 >> MikeStevens@GutenBlog.com >> www.WebsitesForPrinters.com >> www.DirectMailForPrinters.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> > > > > > Press Express > 1869 N. Stevens St. > Rhinelander, WI 54501 > Phone 715-362-2828 > Fax 715-369-2828 > info@pressexpress.org > > Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider > Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From John at mpcny.com Wed Oct 1 12:24:47 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Wed Oct 1 12:25:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam In-Reply-To: <20081001160509.B66A710B2694@rb.enter.net> References: <20081001160509.B66A710B2694@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <8865C70085E94A7087527DD9DEABA5A5@Leo4allPC> Dan taking your line of thinking out a bit... We printers should never put ads in; The newspaper The yellow pages On the radio Via Email Web promotions Or any media, except printing. Now I will say the number one place for us printers to promote is with direct mail. But just like a balanced diet, you need to get your message across a variety of ways. I guess I look at it as swimming against the tide when you refuse to at least test new methods, you may stay afloat for awhile but in the end you get swept away. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From sos at olympus.net Wed Oct 1 12:45:44 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Oct 1 12:46:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam References: <20081001160509.B66A710B2694@rb.enter.net> <8865C70085E94A7087527DD9DEABA5A5@Leo4allPC> Message-ID: <2E56CC99D95645F2AEE8CAC41D394B2C@DANIEL> > Dan taking your line of thinking out a bit... > We printers should never put ads in; > The newspaper > The yellow pages > On the radio > Via Email > Web promotions ========================== Yeah, yeah, all media are good to a certain extent. I'm just depressed about our shrinking newsletters. And what about birthday present ideas???? That's where I'm really stumped. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From mkahny at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 12:52:11 2008 From: mkahny at gmail.com (Michael Kahny) Date: Wed Oct 1 12:52:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam In-Reply-To: <89734E706AE048978E1A376597D61960@Leo4allPC> References: <20081001135657.8219E10B2005@rb.enter.net> <89734E706AE048978E1A376597D61960@Leo4allPC> Message-ID: <7bb924c10810010952t30f1292dk838dbb1b1e554843@mail.gmail.com> If you are in the business of selling "mass emailing services", then by all means use it to promote that end of your business. If you, on the other hand, are trying to promote the business of "printing", using email to do that, to me, sounds counter productive. Don't get me wrong, I use email, the internet and all sorts of new fangled means of communication, but I still make my money selling ink on paper. - Mike Michael Kahny Kahny Printing Cincinnati, OH On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:18 AM, John M. Henry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Letterpress will never be replaced by offset. > > Customers want real photo typesetting not DTP from a laser, it is just a > fad. > > No one will ever buy printing from the internet. > > I would NEVER recommend a printer use email to promote the use of printing. > > Think about it... > > John M. Henry > > > From tracy at commercialpressink.com Wed Oct 1 12:55:14 2008 From: tracy at commercialpressink.com (Tracy Charleson) Date: Wed Oct 1 12:55:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Your Help - Personal - (Off) In-Reply-To: <20081001160509.B66A710B2694@rb.enter.net> References: <20081001160509.B66A710B2694@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <8D56DDAC-B503-4442-8A93-0A6DB9CA3D5C@commercialpressink.com> > Mike, I am very sorry that I cannot give you my vote. I have already pledged my vote to John Stewart based on the fact that he knows money and how not to waste it in business and is even willing to do research and follow up. Plus he is willing to tell agencies like whoever it was that sent us numerous surveys to fill out and threatened us with fines to Kiss his _ _ _. (Which I never did send back) Right now America needs him. Maybe I can vote for you in 2112. But... you could be his marketing chair since you do that so well. :) Tracy "Did you know...;. When you shop locally-owned businesses, your money is re-circulated over and over and creates up to 75% more tax revenue to our community and state." Tracy Charleson Commercial Press, Inc. 216 Cowan Road Canton, New York 13617 Phone: (315) 386-3431 Fax: (315) 386-5259 email: info@commercialpressink.com http://www.commercialpressink.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:26:18 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Mike Stevens" > Subject: [PrintOwners] I Need Your Help - Personal - (Off) > To: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Message-ID: <1222874778.443812897@192.168.1.35> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi everybody, > > It may sound crazy, but I'm going ahead with my big plans ... can > you please help me? > > Click here to find out how you can help... > > [http://tinyurl.com/3n727f] http://tinyurl.com/3n727f > > > Kindest Regards, > Mike Stevens > > 1-800-736-0688 > MikeStevens@GutenBlog.com > www.WebsitesForPrinters.com > www.DirectMailForPrinters.com > > > ------------------------------ > From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Wed Oct 1 13:33:22 2008 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Wed Oct 1 13:33:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam In-Reply-To: <2E56CC99D95645F2AEE8CAC41D394B2C@DANIEL> Message-ID: <00c001c923eb$ce137c40$5b01a8c0@fileserver> Go for roses and a nice dinner. If you have been married for a while and still show how much you value time with her that is, as they say, priceless and never goes out of style or favor. Now you have to let us know how the evening turned out tomorrow. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 11:46 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Dan taking your line of thinking out a bit... > We printers should never put ads in; > The newspaper > The yellow pages > On the radio > Via Email > Web promotions ========================== Yeah, yeah, all media are good to a certain extent. I'm just depressed about our shrinking newsletters. And what about birthday present ideas???? That's where I'm really stumped. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3486 (20081001) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From rstor at copycats.com Wed Oct 1 13:52:00 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Wed Oct 1 13:52:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam In-Reply-To: <54D37D4172DE4BCD95F8BC0EC5002302@DANIEL> References: <20081001135657.8219E10B2005@rb.enter.net> <89734E706AE048978E1A376597D61960@Leo4allPC> <54D37D4172DE4BCD95F8BC0EC5002302@DANIEL> Message-ID: <48E3B8C0.3010008@copycats.com> I don't know if there are any spas in Port Washington, but I know that my wife loved going to one (not just a hairdresser's but a place where they have massages and saunas, etc.) Buy her a day at one with her best friend or, if you have a daughter, with your daughter. The best option, if only for the self-sacrifice involved, would be for you to go with her. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >> I would NEVER recommend a printer use email to promote the use of >> printing. > ======================== > > I have been thinking about that very thing as more and more of our > newsletter customers are cutting down their runs for only those old > curmudgeons who don't have e-mail. And sending out e-mail versions to > everybody else. > Sometimes they find their emails are being lost, ignored, etc. and > start printing more again, but usually not. > > If a printshop doesn't believe that sending out printed material is > the best way to promote their business, why would anyone else believe it? > If we don't believe in it, how do we sell it? > If we can't sell it, why invest in the equipment to produce it? > Why slave away 12 hours a day to produce it? > Are we all going to have to go into the packaging business to survive? > Or the web page designing business, 'cause that isn't working out so > well for most of us is it? > > Not feeling very optimistic this morning. > For many reasons. > It's my wife's birthday and after 26 years of coming up with birthday, > Christmas, Valentine's day, Mother's day, presents, I am so far away > from an idea I can't even see a glimmer from here. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From cpurvine1 at cox.net Wed Oct 1 14:02:46 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Wed Oct 1 14:02:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam In-Reply-To: <54D37D4172DE4BCD95F8BC0EC5002302@DANIEL> References: <20081001135657.8219E10B2005@rb.enter.net><89734E706AE048978E1A376597D61960@Leo4allPC> <54D37D4172DE4BCD95F8BC0EC5002302@DANIEL> Message-ID: <007901c923ef$e8c41410$6401a8c0@coranew> Don, how about a gift certificate??? Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 201-1345 Fax cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 10:38 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > I would NEVER recommend a printer use email to promote the use of > printing. ======================== I have been thinking about that very thing as more and more of our newsletter customers are cutting down their runs for only those old curmudgeons who don't have e-mail. And sending out e-mail versions to everybody else. Sometimes they find their emails are being lost, ignored, etc. and start printing more again, but usually not. If a printshop doesn't believe that sending out printed material is the best way to promote their business, why would anyone else believe it? If we don't believe in it, how do we sell it? If we can't sell it, why invest in the equipment to produce it? Why slave away 12 hours a day to produce it? Are we all going to have to go into the packaging business to survive? Or the web page designing business, 'cause that isn't working out so well for most of us is it? Not feeling very optimistic this morning. For many reasons. It's my wife's birthday and after 26 years of coming up with birthday, Christmas, Valentine's day, Mother's day, presents, I am so far away from an idea I can't even see a glimmer from here. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3486 (20081001) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From cpurvine1 at cox.net Wed Oct 1 14:14:14 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Wed Oct 1 14:14:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam In-Reply-To: <007901c923ef$e8c41410$6401a8c0@coranew> References: <20081001135657.8219E10B2005@rb.enter.net><89734E706AE048978E1A376597D61960@Leo4allPC><54D37D4172DE4BCD95F8BC0EC5002302@DANIEL> <007901c923ef$e8c41410$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <008301c923f1$831b3a60$6401a8c0@coranew> Sorry about that Dan....: ( Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 201-1345 Fax cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Purvine Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 1:03 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Don, how about a gift certificate??? Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 201-1345 Fax cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 10:38 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > I would NEVER recommend a printer use email to promote the use of > printing. ======================== I have been thinking about that very thing as more and more of our newsletter customers are cutting down their runs for only those old curmudgeons who don't have e-mail. And sending out e-mail versions to everybody else. Sometimes they find their emails are being lost, ignored, etc. and start printing more again, but usually not. If a printshop doesn't believe that sending out printed material is the best way to promote their business, why would anyone else believe it? If we don't believe in it, how do we sell it? If we can't sell it, why invest in the equipment to produce it? Why slave away 12 hours a day to produce it? Are we all going to have to go into the packaging business to survive? Or the web page designing business, 'cause that isn't working out so well for most of us is it? Not feeling very optimistic this morning. For many reasons. It's my wife's birthday and after 26 years of coming up with birthday, Christmas, Valentine's day, Mother's day, presents, I am so far away from an idea I can't even see a glimmer from here. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3486 (20081001) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3486 (20081001) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From sos at olympus.net Wed Oct 1 14:22:20 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Oct 1 14:22:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BD ideas References: <20081001135657.8219E10B2005@rb.enter.net> <89734E706AE048978E1A376597D61960@Leo4allPC><54D37D4172DE4BCD95F8BC0EC5002302@DANIEL> <48E3B8C0.3010008@copycats.com> Message-ID: > I don't know if there are any spas in Port Washington, but I know that > my wife loved going to one (not just a hairdresser's but a place where > they have massages and saunas, etc.) ===================== Done that. Dinner & Roses, done that. Flying her to the San Juans for Dinner, done that. Flying her out to the ocean, done that. Clothes, beautiful outfits that just sit in her closet, done that. Jewelry, done that. Portraits of the kids, done that. Portraits of us, done that. Custom calendars, done that. Candy, done that. Books, done that. Movies, done that. Come on guys, any good ideas. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From sos at olympus.net Wed Oct 1 14:23:58 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Oct 1 14:24:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam References: <20081001135657.8219E10B2005@rb.enter.net><89734E706AE048978E1A376597D61960@Leo4allPC><54D37D4172DE4BCD95F8BC0EC5002302@DANIEL><007901c923ef$e8c41410$6401a8c0@coranew> <008301c923f1$831b3a60$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <23B6F01451AC4E20B0975EC10C9BEB79@DANIEL> > Sorry about that Dan....: ( > > Don, how about a gift certificate??? ================= Ah, the personal touch. I'll get called a lot worse than that if that's all I come up with. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From steveprint at aol.com Wed Oct 1 14:29:31 2008 From: steveprint at aol.com (StevePrint) Date: Wed Oct 1 14:29:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BD ideas In-Reply-To: References: <20081001135657.8219E10B2005@rb.enter.net>, <89734E706AE048978E1A376597D61960@Leo4allPC><54D37D4172DE4BCD95F8BC0EC5002302@DANIEL>, <48E3B8C0.3010008@copycats.com>, Message-ID: Hello Dan: Get her something you would really like to have. A massage Chair, Heated Toilet Seat, a Bigger Big Screen or a new Sports Car! LOL Regards, Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting In a message dated 10/01/08 11:24:25 Pacific Daylight Time, sos@olympus.net writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > I don't know if there are any spas in Port Washington, but I know that > my wife loved going to one (not just a hairdresser's but a place where > they have massages and saunas, etc.) ===================== Done that. Dinner & Roses, done that. Flying her to the San Juans for Dinner, done that. Flying her out to the ocean, done that. Clothes, beautiful outfits that just sit in her closet, done that. Jewelry, done that. Portraits of the kids, done that. Portraits of us, done that. Custom calendars, done that. Candy, done that. Books, done that. Movies, done that. Come on guys, any good ideas. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sgfinke at fuse.net Wed Oct 1 14:35:55 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Wed Oct 1 14:32:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection jar for flushes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HA HA HA John you crack me up!!!! I needed a good laugh today. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Sep 30, 2008, at 8:04 PM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > As many of you know, we lost our septic tank about a month ago > during one of > those horrendous tropical deluges that dropped 26" in just a few > hours. The > tank literally rose out of the ground like a monster. This month's > Quick > Printing magazine tells the story, or at least part of it. > > The costs to rebury the tank and all the reconnections ran about > $7,500. > Well, the good news is that the girls no longer have to use the > portable toilets > out in the back parking lot. I thought they were quite clean and > nice, but > they seemed very reluctant to use the one we had set aside for > them. We even > put theirs up next to the building rather than out at the end of > the parking > lot. > > So, you would think they would be extraordinarily happy that > everything is > back up and connected and they can now use the toilets inside the > building..... > BUT no, they are complaining about the small collection jars I > have placed > on the back of each toilet with a note asking for a donation of $1 > per flush. > It's not as if we are monitoring it with a camera or whatever. > > The girls actually got even more upset about a week ago when they > heard I > was only charging 50 cents per flush on the urinal, so I finally > reneged on > that issue and raised all of the flushes to a $1 each. The > employees think this > is ridiculous that we are charging, but I don't think they realize > how tight > the economy is and how we have to do everything possible to > stretch every > dollar. > > I've told them that if Congress passes a refinancing package > suitable to > what I think needs to be passed then I will consider lowering the > flush charge > or even eliminating it completely. No one is forcing them to use > the toilets... > it's their choice... use them and pay or just hold it until you go > out for > lunch or go home. I figure if we get eight to ten flushes a day > for the next > three years it will totally pay for the tank's reinstallation. > > By the way, we are making no attempt to charge customers who ask to > use the > washrooms. > > I'd be curious to hear what others think about this move. > > John Stewart > The Quick Consultant > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > 321-727-2442 > FAX 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > > Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http:// > www.printshopsforsale.net/) > By Larry Hunt and myself. > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and > information, tips and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/? > NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Wed Oct 1 14:32:45 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Wed Oct 1 14:32:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BD ideas In-Reply-To: References: <20081001135657.8219E10B2005@rb.enter.net> <89734E706AE048978E1A376597D61960@Leo4allPC><54D37D4172DE4BCD95F8BC0EC5002302@DANIEL> <48E3B8C0.3010008@copycats.com> Message-ID: <48E3C24D.8090501@satx.rr.com> Try this. I did this for my family members last Christmas and there wasn't a dry eye in the place. Sit down and write her a letter telling her what she means to you and how much you appreciate what she has done for you. Costs nothing, but I'll bet it is one thing she will remember for years. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >> I don't know if there are any spas in Port Washington, but I know that >> my wife loved going to one (not just a hairdresser's but a place >> where they have massages and saunas, etc.) > ===================== > > Done that. Dinner & Roses, done that. Flying her to the San Juans > for Dinner, done that. Flying her out to the ocean, done that. > Clothes, beautiful outfits that just sit in her closet, done that. > Jewelry, done that. Portraits of the kids, done that. > Portraits of us, done that. Custom calendars, done that. Candy, done > that. Books, done that. Movies, done that. > > Come on guys, any good ideas. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mike at arborprinting.com Wed Oct 1 14:47:32 2008 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Wed Oct 1 14:45:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BD ideas References: <20081001135657.8219E10B2005@rb.enter.net> <89734E706AE048978E1A376597D61960@Leo4allPC><54D37D4172DE4BCD95F8BC0EC5002302@DANIEL> <48E3B8C0.3010008@copycats.com> <48E3C24D.8090501@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <02e701c923f6$2a6d4160$6601a8c0@MikeShutaPC> For my wife's 50th, I made her a 21 minute DVD, consisting of 425 photos (all kinds of shots grouped of her, me, the kids, family, freinds etc., spanning our 20 year marriage and some from her childhood) each on screen for about 3 seconds to parts of about 15 different songs. It was a HUGE hit. I used about 225 digital photos, and had to scan in about 200 others. Took quite a while to sort through, catalog and scan, but the software I used made it really easy to put together. Great for milestone birthdays or anniversarys. Got me a lot of nice fringe benefits. Or, you could get her a cordless iron. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. 5100 Academy Dr., Ste 100 Lisle, IL 60532 630-969-2277 P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Ewing" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] BD ideas > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Try this. I did this for my family members last Christmas and there wasn't > a dry eye in the place. Sit down and write her a letter telling her what > she means to you and how much you appreciate what she has done for you. > Costs nothing, but I'll bet it is one thing she will remember for years. > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > Ewing and Sons Printing > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > San Antonio, TX 78233 > dennisewing@satx.rr.com > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com > 210/650-5311 > 210/650-9916 Fax > > > > Dan Huntingford wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >>> I don't know if there are any spas in Port Washington, but I know that >>> my wife loved going to one (not just a hairdresser's but a place where >>> they have massages and saunas, etc.) >> ===================== >> >> Done that. Dinner & Roses, done that. Flying her to the San Juans for >> Dinner, done that. Flying her out to the ocean, done that. Clothes, >> beautiful outfits that just sit in her closet, done that. Jewelry, done >> that. Portraits of the kids, done that. >> Portraits of us, done that. Custom calendars, done that. Candy, done >> that. Books, done that. Movies, done that. >> >> Come on guys, any good ideas. >> >> Dan Huntingford >> SOS Printing >> 2319 Washington Street >> Port Townsend, WA 98368 >> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >> sos@olympus.net >> (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From kevin at proprinters.ca Wed Oct 1 14:51:45 2008 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin at PRO Printers) Date: Wed Oct 1 14:52:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 510 Engineering Copier Message-ID: <595ACD151A164FF88608429124061C02@promerivale1> Xerox has just proposed the above machine to replace my aging 8830. Numbers on it are good but wondering about the box itself. Anyone have any experience with this unit? Reliablility? Ease of use? TIA Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Wed Oct 1 15:05:03 2008 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Wed Oct 1 15:05:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection jar for flushes References: Message-ID: John, $1.00 flushes aside....I believe I remember you had originally said that you had just had work done prior to the floating monster. when you hade your tank worked on, the company was supposed to fill it about 3/4 full of water to keep it from floating. Seems to me the co. who made your repairs should be fixing your tank & lines, etc. since they evidently didn't fill the tank. Nan Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting From russ at mobile-print.com Wed Oct 1 15:16:04 2008 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Wed Oct 1 15:16:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BD ideas In-Reply-To: References: <20081001135657.8219E10B2005@rb.enter.net> <89734E706AE048978E1A376597D61960@Leo4allPC><54D37D4172DE4BCD95F8BC0EC5002302@DANIEL> <48E3B8C0.3010008@copycats.com> Message-ID: <48E3CC74.8020301@mobile-print.com> A sunrise ride in a hot air balloon with a champaign breakfast? > > >> I don't know if there are any spas in Port Washington, but I know that >> my wife loved going to one (not just a hairdresser's but a place >> where they have massages and saunas, etc.) > ===================== > > Done that. Dinner & Roses, done that. Flying her to the San Juans > for Dinner, done that. Flying her out to the ocean, done that. > Clothes, beautiful outfits that just sit in her closet, done that. > Jewelry, done that. Portraits of the kids, done that. > Portraits of us, done that. Custom calendars, done that. Candy, done > that. Books, done that. Movies, done that. > > > -- Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! ++++++++ From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Oct 1 15:18:17 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Oct 1 15:18:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection jar for flushes Message-ID: In a message dated 10/1/2008 3:06:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com writes: when you hade your tank worked on, the company was supposed to fill it about 3/4 full of water to keep it from floating. Seems to me the co. who made your repairs should be fixing your tank & lines, etc. since they evidently didn't fill the tank. Interesting Nan. Apparently in Florida contractors are required to empty tank completely. No mention was made at the time about the need or possible benefits of filling it back up with 300-400 gallons of water, although the suggestion did come up after the fact. While filling the tank up after emptying it seems a perfectly sound suggestion it was not made at the time. The plumbing firm that installed it originally recently bought the septic tank company, but obviously not all the experience that comes with age. They did it by the book, but not the way it should have been done. Of course the company also happens to be a fairly large and good customer of ours as well, so that just throws a monkey wrench into the debate. I have no doubt that had the relationship not existed and I threatened to sue, they might have caved in admitting that they had made a mistake. Nonetheless, I have seen the regulation requiring total emptying of the tanks, etc..... it is very vague as to suggesting that some water be pumped back in.... John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From John at mpcny.com Wed Oct 1 15:31:25 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Wed Oct 1 15:31:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BD ideas In-Reply-To: <20081001191828.89D8010B2FD5@rb.enter.net> References: <20081001191828.89D8010B2FD5@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <50B589AD6A9C44BFBE58B756779FD26C@Leo4allPC> I really like some of the suggestions. To bad my wife (Kathy) is on the list, if I try any of them, she will know I did not think of it on my own. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From scottv at regalpress.net Wed Oct 1 15:36:45 2008 From: scottv at regalpress.net (Scott Vicnaire) Date: Wed Oct 1 15:36:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BD Ideas In-Reply-To: <20081001182905.3C17910B2CAF@rb.enter.net> References: <20081001182905.3C17910B2CAF@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <003001c923fd$0aba7660$0310a8c0@Ellsworth> Dan, Give her something so precious that it's priceless...TIME. Make a nice gift certificate that entitles her to a span of time in which she has your full and undivided attention and willingness to do whatever she would like. Talking, going for walks, out to dinner, foot rubs, hanging up all the crap that she's bought for the house, etc. all done cheerfully and with a spirit of appreciation for what she means to you. I don't think I know any woman who would say her husband spends too much time doting on her. Sincerely, Scott Vicnaire Full Circle Printing Solutions 265 Water Street Ellsworth, ME 04650 207-667-5227 140 South Main Street Brewer, ME 04412 207-989-4100 www.fullcircleprintingsolutions.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of printowners-request@printweb.org Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 2:29 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 38, Issue 7 Send PrintOwners mailing list submissions to printowners@printweb.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to printowners-request@printweb.org You can reach the person managing the list at printowners-owner@printweb.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of PrintOwners digest..." ***** This is a PrintOwners List Digest ***** Today's Topics: 1. RE: Email Newsletter vs. Spam (Ed Pierce) 2. Re: Email Newsletter vs. Spam (Robert Stor) 3. RE: Email Newsletter vs. Spam (Cora Purvine) 4. RE: Email Newsletter vs. Spam (Cora Purvine) 5. Re: BD ideas (Dan Huntingford) 6. Re: Email Newsletter vs. Spam (Dan Huntingford) 7. Re: BD ideas (StevePrint) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:33:22 -0500 From: "Ed Pierce" Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Message-ID: <00c001c923eb$ce137c40$5b01a8c0@fileserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Go for roses and a nice dinner. If you have been married for a while and still show how much you value time with her that is, as they say, priceless and never goes out of style or favor. Now you have to let us know how the evening turned out tomorrow. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 11:46 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Dan taking your line of thinking out a bit... > We printers should never put ads in; > The newspaper > The yellow pages > On the radio > Via Email > Web promotions ========================== Yeah, yeah, all media are good to a certain extent. I'm just depressed about our shrinking newsletters. And what about birthday present ideas???? That's where I'm really stumped. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3486 (20081001) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:52:00 -0400 From: Robert Stor Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Message-ID: <48E3B8C0.3010008@copycats.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I don't know if there are any spas in Port Washington, but I know that my wife loved going to one (not just a hairdresser's but a place where they have massages and saunas, etc.) Buy her a day at one with her best friend or, if you have a daughter, with your daughter. The best option, if only for the self-sacrifice involved, would be for you to go with her. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >> I would NEVER recommend a printer use email to promote the use of >> printing. > ======================== > > I have been thinking about that very thing as more and more of our > newsletter customers are cutting down their runs for only those old > curmudgeons who don't have e-mail. And sending out e-mail versions to > everybody else. > Sometimes they find their emails are being lost, ignored, etc. and > start printing more again, but usually not. > > If a printshop doesn't believe that sending out printed material is > the best way to promote their business, why would anyone else believe it? > If we don't believe in it, how do we sell it? > If we can't sell it, why invest in the equipment to produce it? > Why slave away 12 hours a day to produce it? > Are we all going to have to go into the packaging business to survive? > Or the web page designing business, 'cause that isn't working out so > well for most of us is it? > > Not feeling very optimistic this morning. > For many reasons. > It's my wife's birthday and after 26 years of coming up with birthday, > Christmas, Valentine's day, Mother's day, presents, I am so far away > from an idea I can't even see a glimmer from here. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:02:46 -0500 From: "Cora Purvine" Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Message-ID: <007901c923ef$e8c41410$6401a8c0@coranew> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Don, how about a gift certificate??? Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 201-1345 Fax cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 10:38 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > I would NEVER recommend a printer use email to promote the use of > printing. ======================== I have been thinking about that very thing as more and more of our newsletter customers are cutting down their runs for only those old curmudgeons who don't have e-mail. And sending out e-mail versions to everybody else. Sometimes they find their emails are being lost, ignored, etc. and start printing more again, but usually not. If a printshop doesn't believe that sending out printed material is the best way to promote their business, why would anyone else believe it? If we don't believe in it, how do we sell it? If we can't sell it, why invest in the equipment to produce it? Why slave away 12 hours a day to produce it? Are we all going to have to go into the packaging business to survive? Or the web page designing business, 'cause that isn't working out so well for most of us is it? Not feeling very optimistic this morning. For many reasons. It's my wife's birthday and after 26 years of coming up with birthday, Christmas, Valentine's day, Mother's day, presents, I am so far away from an idea I can't even see a glimmer from here. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3486 (20081001) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:14:14 -0500 From: "Cora Purvine" Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Message-ID: <008301c923f1$831b3a60$6401a8c0@coranew> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sorry about that Dan....: ( Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 201-1345 Fax cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Purvine Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 1:03 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Don, how about a gift certificate??? Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 201-1345 Fax cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 10:38 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > I would NEVER recommend a printer use email to promote the use of > printing. ======================== I have been thinking about that very thing as more and more of our newsletter customers are cutting down their runs for only those old curmudgeons who don't have e-mail. And sending out e-mail versions to everybody else. Sometimes they find their emails are being lost, ignored, etc. and start printing more again, but usually not. If a printshop doesn't believe that sending out printed material is the best way to promote their business, why would anyone else believe it? If we don't believe in it, how do we sell it? If we can't sell it, why invest in the equipment to produce it? Why slave away 12 hours a day to produce it? Are we all going to have to go into the packaging business to survive? Or the web page designing business, 'cause that isn't working out so well for most of us is it? Not feeling very optimistic this morning. For many reasons. It's my wife's birthday and after 26 years of coming up with birthday, Christmas, Valentine's day, Mother's day, presents, I am so far away from an idea I can't even see a glimmer from here. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3486 (20081001) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3486 (20081001) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:22:20 -0700 From: "Dan Huntingford" Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] BD ideas To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response > I don't know if there are any spas in Port Washington, but I know that > my wife loved going to one (not just a hairdresser's but a place where > they have massages and saunas, etc.) ===================== Done that. Dinner & Roses, done that. Flying her to the San Juans for Dinner, done that. Flying her out to the ocean, done that. Clothes, beautiful outfits that just sit in her closet, done that. Jewelry, done that. Portraits of the kids, done that. Portraits of us, done that. Custom calendars, done that. Candy, done that. Books, done that. Movies, done that. Come on guys, any good ideas. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:23:58 -0700 From: "Dan Huntingford" Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Email Newsletter vs. Spam To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Message-ID: <23B6F01451AC4E20B0975EC10C9BEB79@DANIEL> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original > Sorry about that Dan....: ( > > Don, how about a gift certificate??? ================= Ah, the personal touch. I'll get called a lot worse than that if that's all I come up with. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:29:31 -0700 From: StevePrint Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] BD ideas To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello Dan: Get her something you would really like to have. A massage Chair, Heated Toilet Seat, a Bigger Big Screen or a new Sports Car! LOL Regards, Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting In a message dated 10/01/08 11:24:25 Pacific Daylight Time, sos@olympus.net writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > I don't know if there are any spas in Port Washington, but I know that > my wife loved going to one (not just a hairdresser's but a place where > they have massages and saunas, etc.) ===================== Done that. Dinner & Roses, done that. Flying her to the San Juans for Dinner, done that. Flying her out to the ocean, done that. Clothes, beautiful outfits that just sit in her closet, done that. Jewelry, done that. Portraits of the kids, done that. Portraits of us, done that. Custom calendars, done that. Candy, done that. Books, done that. Movies, done that. Come on guys, any good ideas. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners End of PrintOwners Digest, Vol 38, Issue 7 ****************************************** From mark at cordesprinting.com Wed Oct 1 15:41:50 2008 From: mark at cordesprinting.com (Mark Cordes) Date: Wed Oct 1 15:37:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection jar for flushes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E3D27E.60703@cordesprinting.com> John -- You may want to take Charles Lincoln's suggestion from earlier today and run a "two-for-one" special to encourage filling up the new tank in a more expedient manner to prevent a relapse of the same problem. Mark Mark Cordes Cordes Printing, Inc. 460 Braen Avenue Wyckoff, NJ 07481 201.652.7272 mark@cordesprinting.com www.cordesprinting.com QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 10/1/2008 3:06:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com writes: > > when you hade your tank worked on, the company was supposed to fill it about > 3/4 full of water to keep it from floating. > Seems to me the co. who made your repairs should be fixing your tank & > lines, etc. since they evidently didn't fill the tank. > > > > > Interesting Nan. Apparently in Florida contractors are required to empty > tank completely. No mention was made at the time about the need or possible > benefits of filling it back up with 300-400 gallons of water, although the > suggestion did come up after the fact. > > While filling the tank up after emptying it seems a perfectly sound > suggestion it was not made at the time. The plumbing firm that installed it > originally recently bought the septic tank company, but obviously not all the > experience that comes with age. They did it by the book, but not the way it should > have been done. > > Of course the company also happens to be a fairly large and good customer of > ours as well, so that just throws a monkey wrench into the debate. I have no > doubt that had the relationship not existed and I threatened to sue, they > might have caved in admitting that they had made a mistake. Nonetheless, I have > seen the regulation requiring total emptying of the tanks, etc..... it is > very vague as to suggesting that some water be pumped back in.... > > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Wed Oct 1 15:44:43 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Wed Oct 1 15:45:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BD ideas In-Reply-To: <02e701c923f6$2a6d4160$6601a8c0@MikeShutaPC> References: <20081001135657.8219E10B2005@rb.enter.net> <89734E706AE048978E1A376597D61960@Leo4allPC><54D37D4172DE4BCD95F8BC0EC5002302@DANIEL> <48E3B8C0.3010008@copycats.com><48E3C24D.8090501@satx.rr.com> <02e701c923f6$2a6d4160$6601a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: My sister did something similar for the siblings in our family. Started back to when we were just pups. Even got 8mm movies Dad had recorded and put those in too. It was great! She works at a college and did it herself in their AV dept and believe me, and she will agree, if she could do it, anyone could. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mike@arborprinting.com Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 1:48 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] BD ideas ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** For my wife's 50th, I made her a 21 minute DVD, consisting of 425 photos (all kinds of shots grouped of her, me, the kids, family, freinds etc., spanning our 20 year marriage and some from her childhood) each on screen for about 3 seconds to parts of about 15 different songs. It was a HUGE hit. I used about 225 digital photos, and had to scan in about 200 others. Took quite a while to sort through, catalog and scan, but the software I used made it really easy to put together. Great for milestone birthdays or anniversarys. Got me a lot of nice fringe benefits. Or, you could get her a cordless iron. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. 5100 Academy Dr., Ste 100 Lisle, IL 60532 630-969-2277 P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Ewing" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] BD ideas > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Try this. I did this for my family members last Christmas and there wasn't > a dry eye in the place. Sit down and write her a letter telling her what > she means to you and how much you appreciate what she has done for you. > Costs nothing, but I'll bet it is one thing she will remember for years. > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > Ewing and Sons Printing > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > San Antonio, TX 78233 > dennisewing@satx.rr.com > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com > 210/650-5311 > 210/650-9916 Fax > > > > Dan Huntingford wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >>> I don't know if there are any spas in Port Washington, but I know that >>> my wife loved going to one (not just a hairdresser's but a place where >>> they have massages and saunas, etc.) >> ===================== >> >> Done that. Dinner & Roses, done that. Flying her to the San Juans for >> Dinner, done that. Flying her out to the ocean, done that. Clothes, >> beautiful outfits that just sit in her closet, done that. Jewelry, done >> that. Portraits of the kids, done that. >> Portraits of us, done that. Custom calendars, done that. Candy, done >> that. Books, done that. Movies, done that. >> >> Come on guys, any good ideas. >> >> Dan Huntingford >> SOS Printing >> 2319 Washington Street >> Port Townsend, WA 98368 >> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >> sos@olympus.net >> (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Wed Oct 1 15:45:30 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Wed Oct 1 15:46:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BD ideas In-Reply-To: <50B589AD6A9C44BFBE58B756779FD26C@Leo4allPC> References: <20081001191828.89D8010B2FD5@rb.enter.net> <50B589AD6A9C44BFBE58B756779FD26C@Leo4allPC> Message-ID: How will she know you didn't think of it beforehand? Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John M. Henry Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 2:31 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] BD ideas ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I really like some of the suggestions. To bad my wife (Kathy) is on the list, if I try any of them, she will know I did not think of it on my own. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Wed Oct 1 16:25:46 2008 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Wed Oct 1 16:26:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection jar for flushes References: Message-ID: Too bad John, I tried. Nan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Collection jar for flushes > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 10/1/2008 3:06:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com writes: > > when you hade your tank worked on, the company was supposed to fill it > about > 3/4 full of water to keep it from floating. > Seems to me the co. who made your repairs should be fixing your tank & > lines, etc. since they evidently didn't fill the tank. > > > > > Interesting Nan. Apparently in Florida contractors are required to empty > tank completely. No mention was made at the time about the need or > possible > benefits of filling it back up with 300-400 gallons of water, although > the > suggestion did come up after the fact. > > While filling the tank up after emptying it seems a perfectly sound > suggestion it was not made at the time. The plumbing firm that installed > it > originally recently bought the septic tank company, but obviously not all > the > experience that comes with age. They did it by the book, but not the way > it should > have been done. > > Of course the company also happens to be a fairly large and good customer > of > ours as well, so that just throws a monkey wrench into the debate. I have > no > doubt that had the relationship not existed and I threatened to sue, they > might have caved in admitting that they had made a mistake. Nonetheless, > I have > seen the regulation requiring total emptying of the tanks, etc..... it is > very vague as to suggesting that some water be pumped back in.... > > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips > and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From info at premierprintmail.com Wed Oct 1 16:37:52 2008 From: info at premierprintmail.com (Premier Printing) Date: Wed Oct 1 16:38:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BD Ideas In-Reply-To: <003001c923fd$0aba7660$0310a8c0@Ellsworth> References: <20081001182905.3C17910B2CAF@rb.enter.net> <003001c923fd$0aba7660$0310a8c0@Ellsworth> Message-ID: <249D4111703445B98BA4D4417827AFF1@premier9cf7460> I have been blown away by the incredible birthday suggestions posted today but the one below from Scott really takes the prize. Of course putting the gift certificate on a nice scroll and wrapping a big gemstone ring around it (diamonds always work) would make it perfect! Gaya Zeiter Premier Printing & Mailing 4949 E 5th Street Tucson AZ 85711 520-322-0300 gaya@premierprintmail.com ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dan, Give her something so precious that it's priceless...TIME. Make a nice gift certificate that entitles her to a span of time in which she has your full and undivided attention and willingness to do whatever she would like. Talking, going for walks, out to dinner, foot rubs, hanging up all the crap that she's bought for the house, etc. all done cheerfully and with a spirit of appreciation for what she means to you. I don't think I know any woman who would say her husband spends too much time doting on her. Sincerely, Scott Vicnaire Full Circle Printing Solutions 265 Water Street Ellsworth, ME 04650 207-667-5227 140 South Main Street Brewer, ME 04412 207-989-4100 From kellycrom at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 16:55:31 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Wed Oct 1 16:55:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Value of Super Blues? Message-ID: <004101c92408$0b6f6d80$224e4880$@com> We have 2 Super Blues that fit 3302/3985 presses. A local press tech expressed interest in them, but I'm not sure of what value to place on them. I saw one on ebay (for a Chief) that was selling for $210, but I'm not sure if I could get that. Has anyone bought or priced them recently? Thanks, Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! From Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au Wed Oct 1 18:50:28 2008 From: Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au (Harry Brelsford) Date: Wed Oct 1 18:50:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Australia -- Ahead of the curve In-Reply-To: <004801c923d9$ef4c4c00$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> References: <004801c923d9$ef4c4c00$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Yes, I think there are a few printers in their vicinity who can't wait. I think it adds weight to the fact that our kind of businesses need the owner close to the front line - no matter what the experts say about working on rather than in your business. Regards Harry >http://tinyurl.com/42waqf > >I think our friends in Australia will get a chuckle out of this. >Geoff too. > >Hal > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed Oct 1 18:55:28 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed Oct 1 18:55:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BD ideas In-Reply-To: <48E3C24D.8090501@satx.rr.com> References: <20081001135657.8219E10B2005@rb.enter.net> <89734E706AE048978E1A376597D61960@Leo4allPC><54D37D4172DE4BCD95F8BC0EC5002302@DANIEL> <48E3B8C0.3010008@copycats.com> <48E3C24D.8090501@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <8CAF22FEEA78AD2-140-CB9@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> What how cheap he is? LOL Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Ewing To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 2:32 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] BD ideas ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Try this. I did this for my family members last Christmas and there wasn't a dry eye in the place. Sit down and write her a letter telling her what she means to you and how much you appreciate what she has done for you. Costs nothing, but I'll bet it is one thing she will remember for years.? ? Dennis W. Ewing Sr? Ewing and Sons Printing? 12000 Crownpoint, #130? San Antonio, TX 78233? dennisewing@satx.rr.com? ewingandsons@satx.rr.com? 210/650-5311? 210/650-9916 Fax? ? ? Dan Huntingford wrote:? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? >? >> I don't know if there are any spas in Port Washington, but I know that? >> my wife loved going to one (not just a hairdresser's but a place >> where they have massages and saunas, etc.)? > =====================? >? > Done that. Dinner & Roses, done that. Flying her to=2 0the San Juans > for Dinner, done that. Flying her out to the ocean, done that. > Clothes, beautiful outfits that just sit in her closet, done that. > Jewelry, done that. Portraits of the kids, done that.? > Portraits of us, done that. Custom calendars, done that. Candy, done > that. Books, done that. Movies, done that.? >? > Come on guys, any good ideas.? >? > Dan Huntingford? > SOS Printing? > 2319 Washington Street? > Port Townsend, WA 98368? > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF? > sos@olympus.net? > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed Oct 1 18:56:20 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed Oct 1 18:56:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BD ideas In-Reply-To: <02e701c923f6$2a6d4160$6601a8c0@MikeShutaPC> References: <20081001135657.8219E10B2005@rb.enter.net> <89734E706AE048978E1A376597D61960@Leo4allPC><54D37D4172DE4BCD95F8BC0EC5002302@DANIEL> <48E3B8C0.3010008@copycats.com><48E3C24D.8090501@satx.rr.com> <02e701c923f6$2a6d4160$6601a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <8CAF2300E0F2BCE-140-CC9@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> X-cellent! That's it!!!!!! Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike@arborprinting.com To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 2:47 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] BD ideas ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? For my wife's 50th, I made her a 21 minute DVD, consisting of 425 photos (all kinds of shots grouped of her, me, the kids, family, freinds etc., spanning our 20 year marriage and some from her childhood) each on screen for about 3 seconds to parts of about 15 different songs. It was a HUGE hit. I used about 225 digital photos, and had to scan in about 200 others. Took quite a while to sort through, catalog and scan, but the software I used made it really easy to put together. Great for milestone birthdays or anniversarys. Got me a lot of nice fringe benefits. Or, you could get her a cordless iron.? Thanks,? Michael Shuta? ? Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc.? 5100 Academy Dr., Ste 100? Lisle, IL 60532? 630-969-2277? ? P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or? business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated? printing relate d products and services, please contact me.? I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity.? Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please? don't keep us a secret!? www.arborprinting.com? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Ewing" ? To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" ? Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 1:32 PM? Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] BD ideas? ? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > Try this. I did this for my family members last Christmas and there wasn't > a dry eye in the place. Sit down and write her a letter telling her what > she means to you and how much you appreciate what she has done for you. > Costs nothing, but I'll bet it is one thing she will remember for years.? >? > Dennis W. Ewing Sr? > Ewing and Sons Printing? > 12000 Crownpoint, #130? > San Antonio, TX 78233? > dennisewing@satx.rr.com? > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com? > 210/650-5311? > 210/650-9916 Fax? >? >? >? > Dan Huntingford wrote:? >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >>? >>? >>> I don't know if there are any spas in Port Washington, but I know that? >>> my wife loved going to one (not just a hairdresser's but a place where >>> they have massages=2 0and saunas, etc.)? >> =====================? >>? >> Done that. Dinner & Roses, done that. Flying her to the San Juans for >> Dinner, done that. Flying her out to the ocean, done that. Clothes, >> beautiful outfits that just sit in her closet, done that. Jewelry, done >> that. Portraits of the kids, done that.? >> Portraits of us, done that. Custom calendars, done that. Candy, done >> that. Books, done that. Movies, done that.? >>? >> Come on guys, any good ideas.? >>? >> Dan Huntingford? >> SOS Printing? >> 2319 Washington Street? >> Port Townsend, WA 98368? >> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF? >> sos@olympus.net? >> (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860? >> _______________________________________________? >> PrintOwners Discussion List? >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >>? >>? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? > ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed Oct 1 18:58:00 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed Oct 1 18:58:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 510 Engineering Copier In-Reply-To: <595ACD151A164FF88608429124061C02@promerivale1> References: <595ACD151A164FF88608429124061C02@promerivale1> Message-ID: <8CAF23049C6EBCC-140-CDF@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> Kevin don't know that one,but the 6204 is a workhorse & incredible quality prints. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Kevin at PRO Printers To: Print Owners Sent: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 2:51 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 510 Engineering Copier ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Xerox has just proposed the above machine to replace my aging 8830. Numbers on it are good but wondering about the box itself. Anyone have any experience with this unit? Reliablility? Ease of use? TIA Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed Oct 1 19:00:41 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed Oct 1 19:01:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BD ideas In-Reply-To: <50B589AD6A9C44BFBE58B756779FD26C@Leo4allPC> References: <20081001191828.89D8010B2FD5@rb.enter.net> <50B589AD6A9C44BFBE58B756779FD26C@Leo4allPC> Message-ID: <8CAF230A94E240A-140-D05@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> 2 Funny John. You know have to be more creative than Dan! Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: John M. Henry To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 3:31 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] BD ideas ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I really like some of the suggestions. To bad my wife (Kathy) is on the list, if I try any of them, she will know I did not think of it on my own. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From brianoday at eprint.us Wed Oct 1 19:42:19 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Wed Oct 1 19:47:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Errors and omissions In-Reply-To: References: <41aa6a080810010804q5d5320e4u2c2e3ae199960221@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00f201c9241f$5801f840$800101df@eprint.local> We had a claim against our policy and the customer got paid for provable additional expenses and we got paid for the postage and I think for the cost to print the replacement mailing.. At first they didn't know what to do but they paid with very few questions asked and our rates didn't seem to go up. Brian O'Day ePRINT 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland Oregon 97223 (503)684-2679 ? Brianoday@eprint.us ? www.eprint.us -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bernard Bahn Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 8:24 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Errors and omissions ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dennis: I sincerely wish you the best of luck on your claim. Thanks so much for the heads-up to all of us by sharing. I'll be checking our policy right now. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From awbunny at earthlink.net Wed Oct 1 20:35:22 2008 From: awbunny at earthlink.net (Amy E Watson) Date: Wed Oct 1 20:35:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Value of Super Blues? In-Reply-To: <004101c92408$0b6f6d80$224e4880$@com> References: <004101c92408$0b6f6d80$224e4880$@com> Message-ID: We sold one for a Multi 1850 on ebay for about 250 about six months ago. Bought one for our GTO for 200 but would have paid 400. Just bought one for our QM-46 last week. It was with a IR dryer as well but it was about 400. If you put it on ebay pay the extra for a reserve you feel is fair. We do it when we sell equipment and it keeps it from going too cheap. If you have extra covers I would sell them in a different auction. They are expensive. Good luck! Richard Amy Watson 1984 PRINTING 674 B 23rd Street Oakland, CA 94612 510.435.8338 amy@1984printing.com www.1984printing.com On Oct 1, 2008, at 1:55 PM, Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have 2 Super Blues that fit 3302/3985 presses. A local press tech > expressed interest in them, but I'm not sure of what value to place > on them. > I saw one on ebay (for a Chief) that was selling for $210, but I'm > not sure > if I could get that. Has anyone bought or priced them recently? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Kelly Crom > Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 > Plymouth, MN 55441 > (763)231-6970 > kellycrom@gmail.com > www.applied-graphics.com > > p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's > Environmental Initiatives - > www.mygreatprinter.com ! > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From slb at inkspot.net Wed Oct 1 21:03:10 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Oct 1 21:03:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] scanning 12" circles Message-ID: <48E3E58E.31722.BB1A17@slb.inkspot.net> A customer asked me if I could scan, resize, and output film. The films we need to scan are 12" diameter circles with screened, halftone art in them. The screens are only about 75 lines (he's a silkscreen printer), so I'm not too concerned about picking up the dots, but I need to find someone with a scanner that's 12" on the shorter dimension, and that can handle films. Anybody got a recommendation? TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From keli at parchmentpress.net Wed Oct 1 22:03:54 2008 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Wed Oct 1 22:03:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] acme champion stitcher heads repair Message-ID: <48E42C0A.1060500@parchmentpress.net> Does anyone know of a reliable and reasonably priced repair service for Acme Champion Stitcher heads? thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 From sgfinke at fuse.net Wed Oct 1 22:21:19 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Wed Oct 1 22:17:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BD ideas In-Reply-To: References: <20081001135657.8219E10B2005@rb.enter.net> <89734E706AE048978E1A376597D61960@Leo4allPC><54D37D4172DE4BCD95F8BC0EC5002302@DANIEL> <48E3B8C0.3010008@copycats.com> Message-ID: <37F4828B-F044-4408-A7E9-1ACCB3D91E59@fuse.net> > >> I don't know if there are any spas in Port Washington, but I know >> that >> my wife loved going to one (not just a hairdresser's but a place >> where they have massages and saunas, etc.) > ===================== > > Ugh! I would HATE that! I like the letter and the photo DVD ideas best for a big birthday -- but for an ordinary one, I would always pick a gift certificate to use fpr my favorite hobby, because I don't spend much on myself. Guilt-free shopping is wonderful, because I don't feel as if I should be using the money on something else. So the gift most people find stupid is the one I would like best. I guess one size does not fit all. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Oct 2 06:06:19 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Thu Oct 2 06:06:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BD ideas In-Reply-To: <37F4828B-F044-4408-A7E9-1ACCB3D91E59@fuse.net> References: <20081001135657.8219E10B2005@rb.enter.net> <89734E706AE048978E1A376597D61960@Leo4allPC><54D37D4172DE4BCD95F8BC0EC5002302@DANIEL><48E3B8C0.3010008@copycats.com> <37F4828B-F044-4408-A7E9-1ACCB3D91E59@fuse.net> Message-ID: <004401c92476$8450d2c0$6401a8c0@coranew> That is also the one I would like best Gail. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 201-1345 Fax cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott and Gail Finke Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:21 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] BD ideas ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> I don't know if there are any spas in Port Washington, but I know >> that >> my wife loved going to one (not just a hairdresser's but a place >> where they have massages and saunas, etc.) > ===================== > > Ugh! I would HATE that! I like the letter and the photo DVD ideas best for a big birthday -- but for an ordinary one, I would always pick a gift certificate to use fpr my favorite hobby, because I don't spend much on myself. Guilt-free shopping is wonderful, because I don't feel as if I should be using the money on something else. So the gift most people find stupid is the one I would like best. I guess one size does not fit all. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3486 (20081001) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Thu Oct 2 09:18:45 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Thu Oct 2 09:18:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Who Caused the Economic Crisis? Message-ID: <48E4CA35.50401@sugarloafprint.com> As we all know, there has been allot of finger pointing as to who is to blame. This article does a good job taking out the spin. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/who_caused_the_economic_crisis.html -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Oct 2 09:32:26 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Oct 2 09:32:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Who Caused the Economic Crisis? Message-ID: In a message dated 10/2/2008 9:20:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, po-lists@sugarloafprint.com writes: As we all know, there has been allot of finger pointing as to who is to blame. This article does a good job taking out the spin. _http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/who_caused_the_economic_crisis.html_ (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/who_caused_the_economic_crisis.html) Thanks Ron. Excellent article and my blood pressure is slowly dropping below 160. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Thu Oct 2 09:43:39 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Thu Oct 2 09:43:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] News Flash FedEx is expected to join its competitor, UPS, and become: FedUP. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: News Flash FedEx is expected to join its competitor, UPS, and become: FedUP Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." - Plato From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu Oct 2 10:58:17 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu Oct 2 10:58:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] News Flash FedEx is expected to join its competitor, UPS, and become: FedUP. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAF2B66FD3204C-7B8-9DF@MBLK-M40.sysops.aol.com> LM( Y )O X-cellent! Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Loren Maurina To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 9:43 am Subject: [PrintOwners] News Flash FedEx is expected to join its competitor, UPS, and become: FedUP. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? News Flash? ? FedEx is expected to join its competitor, UPS, and become:? FedUP? ? Loren Maurina? President? L & L Printing, Inc.? dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp? dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren? ? ph (586) 263-0060? fx (586) 263-4895? ? Loren@InkOnPaper.biz? ? "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." - Plato? ? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From owner at latsons.com Thu Oct 2 11:00:10 2008 From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson) Date: Thu Oct 2 11:00:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Credit Ap Message-ID: <200810021500.m92F0C1K097107@pro35.abac.com> Say guys and gals, anyone out there have a credit application with a personal guarantee on it that I could bum? I'll try and pay you back later. -Dick Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com From scottp at quattrografx.com Thu Oct 2 12:31:51 2008 From: scottp at quattrografx.com (scottp@quattrografx.com) Date: Thu Oct 2 11:10:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] scanning 12" circles Message-ID: <20081002151022.50D4210B5322@rb.enter.net> Hello, Steve Blatman, Try EPrep they have a BIG CopyDot scanner. It's like 24x36 801-379-0345 ask for Jeff Scott ======= At 2008-10-01, 21:03:00 you wrote: ======= >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >A customer asked me if I could scan, resize, and output film. The films we >need to scan are 12" diameter circles with screened, halftone art in them. >The screens are only about 75 lines (he's a silkscreen printer), so I'm not too >concerned about picking up the dots, but I need to find someone with a >scanner that's 12" on the shorter dimension, and that can handle films. > >Anybody got a recommendation? > >TIA, >Steve > >Steve Blatman >Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >Tel: 610-647-0776 >Fax: 610-647-4560 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Best regards. scottp scottp@quattrografx.com 2008-10-02 From prtquick at eos.net Thu Oct 2 12:11:07 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Thu Oct 2 12:06:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BD ideas In-Reply-To: <37F4828B-F044-4408-A7E9-1ACCB3D91E59@fuse.net> References: <20081001135657.8219E10B2005@rb.enter.net> <89734E706AE048978E1A376597D61960@Leo4allPC><54D37D4172DE4BCD95F8BC0EC5002302@DANIEL> <48E3B8C0.3010008@copycats.com> <37F4828B-F044-4408-A7E9-1ACCB3D91E59@fuse.net> Message-ID: I have it made. Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - On Oct 1, 2008, at 10:21 PM, Scott and Gail Finke wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >> >>> I don't know if there are any spas in Port Washington, but I know >>> that >>> my wife loved going to one (not just a hairdresser's but a place >>> where they have massages and saunas, etc.) >> ===================== >> >> > > Ugh! I would HATE that! > > I like the letter and the photo DVD ideas best for a big birthday > -- but for an ordinary one, I would always pick a gift certificate > to use fpr my favorite hobby, because I don't spend much on > myself. Guilt-free shopping is wonderful, because I don't feel as > if I should be using the money on something else. So the gift most > people find stupid is the one I would like best. > > I guess one size does not fit all. > > > Gail Finke > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, OH 45231 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > (513) 522-2679 > Fax 522-2692 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > info@brentwood-printing.com > www.brentwood-printing.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From stalprint at charter.net Thu Oct 2 12:12:15 2008 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Thu Oct 2 12:12:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Credit Ap In-Reply-To: <200810021500.m92F0C1K097107@pro35.abac.com> References: <200810021500.m92F0C1K097107@pro35.abac.com> Message-ID: <48E4F2DF.9040500@charter.net> There are several on PONG in the files section http://groups.google.com/group/PrintOwnersNG Dick Latson wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Say guys and gals, anyone out there have a credit application with a > personal guarantee on it that I could bum? I'll try and pay you back > later. > -Dick > > > Dick Latson > Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. > 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 > Commerce, Texas 75428 > (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 > email: owner@latsons.com > www.latsons.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Thu Oct 2 12:30:19 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Thu Oct 2 12:30:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off Message-ID: I had lunch w/John McCain, and posted his comments here years ago....a few months before we invaded Iraq. That's been some time, but the theme is still the same IMO: John: "We have irrefutable evidence of weapons of mass destruction." The 'we' was not John, his committee or his advisors. It consisted of a host of other sources within/without the US Government. All senators had the same info. He made the comment based on our country's intelligence. He was not right or wrong, he was going with the best information our Gov't had. So, who's to blame?" It's easy for me to 'transition' that mis-information into today's finger pointing on the credit issue. Ulitmately, it's not any administration that caused the credit crisis. It's a lot more than that. Start with the way our government is run.....The oppty's for corruption which spread across hundreds of agencies throughout the nation makes this 'crisis' a normal ocurrance, IMO. This will not bring the world to it's knees, but it will allow for more government programs to be installed.....which will not get to the root cause. Obama said in the first debate there are 4 problems with/the economy. The 4th one he called THE ROOT CAUSE: high risk mortgages. If you Tivo'd it, go back and hear him say it. The mortgages were the result, not the cause..... I was dumbfounded McCain didn't hammer him on that dumb remark. No, the root cause resulted in many problems, one of which was the creation of high risk mortgages. The news is no longer news, it's reporting speculation. They ought to change the name and remove the word 'news' from their broadcast. Larry Desert Pacific Printing Tucson As we all know, there has been allot of finger pointing as to who is to blame. This article does a good job taking out the spin. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/who_caused_the_economic_crisis.html -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop From falconprinting at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 13:32:51 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Thu Oct 2 13:33:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Folders - Challenge and otherwise.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So, our Challenge SRA3 folder needed new rollers about 4 months ago. We muscled threw it, and now it REALLY needs new rollers. I'm told Challenge is no longer supporting our product though. So.... 1. Does anyone know if/where I can get parts for this? 2. If not, I have to get a new one. I'm a little bit in love with the Morgana Digifold, but I'm a little shy on dropping $30K on a folder right now. Looking at a Baum ultrafold 714XLT, or a Baum Flexifold. Figure I'll tack on the digicreaser later. Anyone have experience with either, or recommend anything else? Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com From hal at pickimp.com Thu Oct 2 13:49:37 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Thu Oct 2 13:47:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off References: Message-ID: <001c01c924b7$3fa40a20$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Part of that intelligence was provided by Great Britain and they still stand by it. I still believe it was true at the time. Hal From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Oct 2 13:53:26 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Oct 2 13:56:20 2008 Subject: Changes coming to Morgana (was Re: [PrintOwners] Folders - Challenge and otherwise....) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810021756.m92HtrxP018987@i2bnetworks.com> A bit about the Morgana We were all set up to pick up a Digifold at Graph Expo but we've been told that Morgana will shortly be announcing a major upgrade to their line with new engineering. They will probably have one at the show and it involves a new internal cylinder design that will change how the machine works thereby increasing its throughput three fold (3X). The problem I've always had with Morgana is that they are dog slow, they obviously are painfully aware of this hence the new design. I'm told that the price will remain about the same as the current models (we'll see) but the enhancement in the productivity is worth the wait a few more months. Also its $30,000 mostly for the creasing and folding. Its more than just a folder. None of your digital work will crack (even solids) with the Morgana units. You pay for the ability to differentiate yourself from the other digital printing guy/gal down the block whose work always cracks... S. At 10:32 AM 10/2/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >So, our Challenge SRA3 folder needed new rollers about 4 months ago. We >muscled threw it, and now it REALLY needs new rollers. I'm told Challenge >is no longer supporting our product though. So.... > >1. Does anyone know if/where I can get parts for this? > >2. If not, I have to get a new one. I'm a little bit in love with the >Morgana Digifold, but I'm a little shy on dropping $30K on a folder right >now. Looking at a Baum ultrafold 714XLT, or a Baum Flexifold. Figure I'll >tack on the digicreaser later. Anyone have experience with either, or >recommend anything else? > > >Borzou Azabdaftari >Falcon Print and Copy >1921 Gallows Road >Suite 150 >Vienna, VA 22182 >t.703.442.0124 >f.703.442.0134 >borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3490 (20081002) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From kellycrom at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 14:14:23 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Thu Oct 2 14:14:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Folders - Challenge and otherwise.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000101c924ba$b45a8d00$1d0fa700$@com> I'm not sure if they do Challenge rollers, but we just bought replacement rollers for our Stahl right angle unit from Kepes, Inc. www.kepes.com and saved about 50% over buying new ones from Heidelberg. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:33 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Folders - Challenge and otherwise.... > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > So, our Challenge SRA3 folder needed new rollers about 4 months ago. > We > muscled threw it, and now it REALLY needs new rollers. I'm told > Challenge > is no longer supporting our product though. So.... > > 1. Does anyone know if/where I can get parts for this? > > 2. If not, I have to get a new one. I'm a little bit in love with the > Morgana Digifold, but I'm a little shy on dropping $30K on a folder > right > now. Looking at a Baum ultrafold 714XLT, or a Baum Flexifold. Figure > I'll > tack on the digicreaser later. Anyone have experience with either, or > recommend anything else? > > > Borzou Azabdaftari > Falcon Print and Copy > 1921 Gallows Road > Suite 150 > Vienna, VA 22182 > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ron at printingconcepts.com Thu Oct 2 14:42:37 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Thu Oct 2 14:42:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unlawful use of post office skids Message-ID: The new postal skids have in bright letters "$1,000 fine for unauthorized use", was wondering if anyone has heard of the post office actually issuing fines for their misuse???? Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons" "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, and of the merchants a merchant." RALPH WALDO EMERSON Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From falconprinting at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 14:44:21 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Thu Oct 2 14:44:36 2008 Subject: Changes coming to Morgana (was Re: [PrintOwners] Folders - Challenge and otherwise....) In-Reply-To: <200810021756.m92HtrxP018987@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: Thanks Scott. The creasing is why I'm in love with the digifold (and the easy set up). We do a LOT of digital work here. I was actually hoping to get Digifold in the future, so maybe I'll try and hold out for it. I thinking maybe of getting the Baum now, and just a digi creaser down the line too. Who knows, we'll see how it goes. Thanks. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Scott Cappel > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:53:26 -0700 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Changes coming to Morgana (was Re: [PrintOwners] Folders - Challenge > and otherwise....) > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > A bit about the Morgana > > We were all set up to pick up a Digifold at Graph Expo but we've been > told that Morgana will shortly be announcing a major upgrade to their > line with new engineering. They will probably have one at the show > and it involves a new internal cylinder design that will change how > the machine works thereby increasing its throughput three fold (3X). > > The problem I've always had with Morgana is that they are dog slow, > they obviously are painfully aware of this hence the new design. I'm > told that the price will remain about the same as the current models > (we'll see) but the enhancement in the productivity is worth the wait > a few more months. > > Also its $30,000 mostly for the creasing and folding. Its more than > just a folder. None of your digital work will crack (even solids) > with the Morgana units. > > You pay for the ability to differentiate yourself from the other > digital printing guy/gal down the block whose work always cracks... > > S. > > > > > At 10:32 AM 10/2/2008, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> So, our Challenge SRA3 folder needed new rollers about 4 months ago. We >> muscled threw it, and now it REALLY needs new rollers. I'm told Challenge >> is no longer supporting our product though. So.... >> >> 1. Does anyone know if/where I can get parts for this? >> >> 2. If not, I have to get a new one. I'm a little bit in love with the >> Morgana Digifold, but I'm a little shy on dropping $30K on a folder right >> now. Looking at a Baum ultrafold 714XLT, or a Baum Flexifold. Figure I'll >> tack on the digicreaser later. Anyone have experience with either, or >> recommend anything else? >> >> >> Borzou Azabdaftari >> Falcon Print and Copy >> 1921 Gallows Road >> Suite 150 >> Vienna, VA 22182 >> t.703.442.0124 >> f.703.442.0134 >> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3490 (20081002) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From sos at olympus.net Thu Oct 2 15:23:03 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Oct 2 15:23:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off References: <001c01c924b7$3fa40a20$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <16E1739F69F04D519F67023367C01A68@DANIEL> >Part of that intelligence was provided by Great Britain and they still >stand by it. >I still believe it was true at the time. ================ Well, of course it was true at the time. Clinton believed it during his term and took some small steps because of it. The overwhelming majority of both the house and senate believed it. Just because the liberal media have been telling us it's a lie, he lied, for years and years doesn't mean it wasn't true. I'm curious to hear Mrs. Palin tonight. Can she possibly be as big a dumb dumb doddo head as the liberal media have been portraying her to be? I don't know that I'll vote for her and the old guy yet, but the way the media have been attacking her makes me want to, just out of sympathy. Why do they hate her so much? They make the entire state of Alaska sound like Dogpatch. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Oct 2 15:32:12 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Oct 2 15:32:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off Message-ID: In a message dated 10/2/2008 3:24:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sos@olympus.net writes: Can she possibly be as big a dumb dumb doddo head as the liberal media have been portraying her to be? YES! Next question. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Thu Oct 2 15:39:15 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Thu Oct 2 15:39:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off In-Reply-To: <16E1739F69F04D519F67023367C01A68@DANIEL> References: <001c01c924b7$3fa40a20$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> <16E1739F69F04D519F67023367C01A68@DANIEL> Message-ID: <48E52363.3060008@sugarloafprint.com> Dan Huntingford wrote: > > > I'm curious to hear Mrs. Palin tonight. Can she possibly be as big a > dumb dumb doddo head as the liberal media have been portraying her to be? > I don't know that I'll vote for her and the old guy yet, but the way > the media have been attacking her makes me want to, just out of > sympathy. Why do they hate her so much? They make the entire state of > Alaska sound like Dogpatch. > I can't believe McCain-Palin agreed to letting Gwen Ifill moderate the debate tonight. I think Michelle would be less biased. -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From hal at pickimp.com Thu Oct 2 15:47:46 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Thu Oct 2 15:45:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off References: Message-ID: <001501c924c7$c12fd8c0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> References: Message-ID: On Oct 2, 2008, at 11:32 AM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Can she possibly be as big a dumb > dumb doddo head as the liberal media have been portraying her to be? > > YES! > > Next question. REPLY: Ouch. My opinion of Mr. Stewart just dropped significantly, though he is still ever so slightly above Katy Couric. Sarah Palin is the real deal, as an Alaskan I can vouch for her, and as a business owner I can tell you that traditionally Republicans have been pro business while Democrats have never met a tax they did not like or a regulation or an anti-development bill etc, etc. Anyway, it saddens me to see the way the media belittles our Governor and treats her so condescendingly, please do not buy into it. Above all she is a woman of integrity, and in this day and age we could use a bit more of that. We will see tonight... GO SARAH! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From george at dahlquistprinting.com Thu Oct 2 15:47:29 2008 From: george at dahlquistprinting.com (George Dahlquist) Date: Thu Oct 2 15:50:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off References: Message-ID: <000b01c924c7$b43abd10$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> Come on guys...is it really fair to talk about Hillary like that??? If the Lion King is coronated I think I'll become part of the problem instead part of the solution and start looking for gov't handouts. George Dahlquist Dahlquist Printing & Graphics Orlando, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 10/2/2008 3:24:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > sos@olympus.net writes: > > Can she possibly be as big a dumb > dumb doddo head as the liberal media have been portraying her to be? > > > > YES! > > Next question. > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips > and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From rstor at copycats.com Thu Oct 2 15:52:18 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Thu Oct 2 15:53:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off In-Reply-To: <001501c924c7$c12fd8c0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> References: <001501c924c7$c12fd8c0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48E52672.2000604@copycats.com> Hal, Have you seen the interviews? What is your (unbiased) opinion? FWIW, I cringe every time she is on the air in an un-rehearsed setting. Don't they Wonderlick VP job applicants? Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Hal Wendt wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Well there you have it, it must be true since John said it. > > > Hal > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From hal at pickimp.com Thu Oct 2 16:08:32 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Thu Oct 2 16:06:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off References: <001501c924c7$c12fd8c0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> <48E52672.2000604@copycats.com> Message-ID: <000b01c924ca$a7530780$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> < Hal, Have you seen the interviews? What is your (unbiased) opinion? FWIW, I cringe every time she is on the air in an un-rehearsed setting. Don't they Wonderlick VP job applicants? > No, I haven't but as soon we get electricity in our log cabin I'll save up for a Tee Vee. I would have expected nothing less from New York. Keep on cringin' Hal From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu Oct 2 16:10:45 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu Oct 2 16:09:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off In-Reply-To: <20081002193237.5F6D310B5F6A@rb.enter.net> References: <20081002193237.5F6D310B5F6A@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: > > > Part of that intelligence was provided by Great Britain and they > still stand by it. > I still believe it was true at the time. 'British Intelligence' (MI6) sent Kim Philby to teach the young CIA about how double agents operated. 'British Intelligence' also had its employee George Blake be the official scribe at meetings concerning the underground tunnel to eaves-drop on Russian controlled Berlin in the fifties. Observatory Circle in Washington D.C. was the workplace of Guy Burgess and Donald MacLean. Anthony Blunt was the Queen's 'art advisor'. Google any of them, and then comment about British 'intelligence'! Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Thu Oct 2 16:28:30 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Thu Oct 2 16:28:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off In-Reply-To: References: <000b01c924c7$b43abd10$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> Message-ID: <48E52EEE.7020905@sugarloafprint.com> While I don't respond much, I have been reading. (Okay, not every item in every thread). It seems to me the only ones to get their panties tied in a knot are the ones whining about the quality of this list. Elections are important, Presidential elections more so. What happens in the next few days can have a great impact on our businesses. I've gathered some real good information about both candidates and their VPs from this list. I hope to read more. Go Palin-McCain! (yes I typed it that way on purpose) Greg Weinfurter wrote: > > Please, please, here we go again. A couple of weeks ago, this list was > FLOODED with HUNDREDS of off topics specifically related to politics. > People were bashing others on the list and others were telling other > people to get off the list. All in the name of politics and religion. > It really dirtied up the quality that this list has to offer. Please, > please lets not go down that road again. > > Greg > -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From rstor at copycats.com Thu Oct 2 16:52:49 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Thu Oct 2 16:53:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off In-Reply-To: <000b01c924ca$a7530780$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> References: <001501c924c7$c12fd8c0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> <48E52672.2000604@copycats.com> <000b01c924ca$a7530780$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48E534A1.2070908@copycats.com> Hal, Your expectations are way of the mark. I voted for W both times, and may vote for McCain this time around. It does not stop me from thinking Palin is unfit. But I find it revealing that instead of answering the question, you go on attack mode. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Hal Wendt wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > < > Hal, > > Have you seen the interviews? What is your (unbiased) opinion? > > FWIW, I cringe every time she is on the air in an un-rehearsed setting. > > Don't they Wonderlick VP job applicants? > > No, I haven't but as soon we get electricity in our log cabin I'll save up for a Tee Vee. > I would have expected nothing less from New York. > > Keep on cringin' > > Hal > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Thu Oct 2 16:56:51 2008 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Thu Oct 2 16:56:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off In-Reply-To: <48E52363.3060008@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: <00e801c924d1$6585c480$5b01a8c0@fileserver> Anybody that is confident in their beliefs as Palin is suspect to libs. She must be ignorant to hold such simple beliefs according to liberals. The media would never ask Biden, Clinton or any other Dim the questions they ask her. It is totally biased. I watched Dodd and Harry Reid last night having a mutual admiration society going on about the passage of that pork bill and I literally wanted to puke. What jokes they are but the sad part is the public is always the recipient of the joke. Somebody please tell me what Obama has done besides be black and a huge lib? Let's see. He has organized voter registration drives...I think. He has a nice smile. He can shoot baskets. He went to law school. He jogs up steps and waves really nice. Um...let's see. He attended that bigot Rev Dr Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years but didn't hear anything out of place in the crazy man's sermons. Nothing but love, peace and understanding in those messages was there? I would like for someone to ask Obama where his money came from. He was born to a single mom had to take student loans to go to school, worked as a government paid volunteer and was an attorney for a short time so where did he get the money he has now? You don't think he is bought and paid for do you? At least McCain did it the old fashioned way he married into it. Strangely enough I don't hear the media or libs in general questioning his credentials like they are Palin's. There you go John. Take another blood pressure pill and you will be ok. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com From sundance_print at yahoo.com Thu Oct 2 17:11:37 2008 From: sundance_print at yahoo.com (Wes Cornwell) Date: Thu Oct 2 17:11:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off Message-ID: <708459.75331.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Obama has done a lot of things, He taught Law Classes at Harvard. He was elected to Illinois State senate, he was elected a US senator. If he was a Republican you'd be saying that that meant he was an outsider and not part of the beltway politics. Instead McCain is trying to somehow to sell the fact that he has been in Washington his whole life and well connected three generations back as an "maverick" who isn't part of the Washington beltway elite. It's just baloney. Lots of presidents had thin resumes. Take W for instance. Woodrow Wilson was president of Princton. Eisenhower was a General. Reagan was governor for just 8 years. Having a long resume didn't help Johnson or Nixon or Hoover. Wes Cornwell Sundance Printing 10240 Progress Lane Parker, CO 80134 303-841-3094 ----- Original Message ---- From: Ed Pierce To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 2:56:51 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Anybody that is confident in their beliefs as Palin is suspect to libs. She must be ignorant to hold such simple beliefs according to liberals. The media would never ask Biden, Clinton or any other Dim the questions they ask her. It is totally biased. I watched Dodd and Harry Reid last night having a mutual admiration society going on about the passage of that pork bill and I literally wanted to puke. What jokes they are but the sad part is the public is always the recipient of the joke. Somebody please tell me what Obama has done besides be black and a huge lib? Let's see. He has organized voter registration drives...I think. He has a nice smile. He can shoot baskets. He went to law school. He jogs up steps and waves really nice. Um...let's see. He attended that bigot Rev Dr Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years but didn't hear anything out of place in the crazy man's sermons. Nothing but love, peace and understanding in those messages was there? I would like for someone to ask Obama where his money came from. He was born to a single mom had to take student loans to go to school, worked as a government paid volunteer and was an attorney for a short time so where did he get the money he has now? You don't think he is bought and paid for do you? At least McCain did it the old fashioned way he married into it. Strangely enough I don't hear the media or libs in general questioning his credentials like they are Palin's. There you go John. Take another blood pressure pill and you will be ok. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From prtquick at eos.net Thu Oct 2 17:24:17 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Thu Oct 2 17:19:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off In-Reply-To: <48E534A1.2070908@copycats.com> References: <001501c924c7$c12fd8c0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> <48E52672.2000604@copycats.com> <000b01c924ca$a7530780$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> <48E534A1.2070908@copycats.com> Message-ID: <03F32FDE-22BC-435E-AB6D-C512CD6CE4CC@eos.net> Palin is fine and will do a great job for us. I hope she speaks well tonight. Some people don't understand all she has accomplished, and won't be happy unless she can speak like a network news teleprompter queen. I hope she stays on message (like BO did and JMc did not in the last 'debate'). She has a conservative message that a lot of people have been waiting to hear. Americans have to get over the illusion that only lawyers, ivy leaguers and career politicians can run the country. We have too many of all three. I'm from Cincinnati. We were founded by members of the order of Cincinnatus, they were Revolutionary War fellows who believed that leaders should rise from the common people, do their duty politically or militarily and return to civilian life. Like Cincinnatus. He was a Roman, you can look it up. Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - P On Oct 2, 2008, at 4:52 PM, Robert Stor wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hal, > > Your expectations are way of the mark. I voted for W both times, > and may vote for McCain this time around. > > It does not stop me from thinking Palin is unfit. > > But I find it revealing that instead of answering the question, you > go on attack mode. > > Regards, > Bob Stor > Copycats > New York, NY > 212-557-2111 x20 > www.copycats.com > > Hal Wendt wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> < >> Hal, >> >> Have you seen the interviews? What is your (unbiased) opinion? >> >> FWIW, I cringe every time she is on the air in an un-rehearsed >> setting. >> >> Don't they Wonderlick VP job applicants? >> No, I haven't but as soon we get electricity in our log cabin >> I'll save up for a Tee Vee. >> I would have expected nothing less from New York. >> >> Keep on cringin' >> Hal >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From slb at inkspot.net Thu Oct 2 17:24:26 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Oct 2 17:25:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off In-Reply-To: <708459.75331.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <708459.75331.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48E503CA.11204.5193509@slb.inkspot.net>
Herewith Diana West's column. It's about as good as any other, reasonably accurate, summary I've seen.

(I'll duck for cover now...historically, this list leans considerably to the left, in the politics of those most willing to post politically...)



The conventional wisdom is that the economic crisis is the reason Sen. Barack Obama is up in the polls.

The conventional wisdom is wrong. Not about Obama being up in the polls, of course, but about why that is so. Obama is up in the polls not because of the economic crisis, but because the reason for the economic crisis, the festering root of it all that has twisted the U.S. financial system beyond recognition, is being ignored in our narrative-creating centers, from the mainstream media to Congress to the White House to the presidential candidates themselves.

Since Obama can only stay up in the polls as long as this all-important reason remains an unspoken, murky kind of secret, I can well understand his obvious inclination to change the subject.

The fact is, if American citizens become too widely acquainted with the fact that race-based social engineering virtually created the sub-prime mortgage industry that has transformed the U.S. economy into The Titanic, Obama will sink in the polls. That's because race-based social engineering is what Obama both advanced as a so-called community organizer, and later funded as an official of Chicago's Woods Fund, where he served alongside unrepentant terrorist and political ally William Ayers -- another phantom political fact citizens now pondering their presidential votes are not supposed to consider.

But I digress. The question is, how exactly did the government overlay of race-based goals onto the real estate marketplace help create the sub-prime mortgage industry, which, having imploded, triggered the current economic crisis, and what did Obama have to do with it?

The answer goes back to one of those totalitarian drawing boards where social engineers draft their human havoc. Not "enough" minorities owned homes, the social engineers decided, because not "enough" minorities were eligible for mortgages, the social engineers concluded. Therefore, in the bean-counting name of what "should" be, the social engineers effectively junked all bottom-line, non-racial markers of mortgage eligibility, from steady employment and clean credit to the all-important down payment, that banks have traditionally relied on to determine the difference between a good and a bad credit risk. This paved the way for increasingly unconventional "sub prime" loans for all (including rubber-check-writing deadbeats, speculators and novices-in-over-their-heads of all races). The social engineers claimed victory for what they called "affordable housing" -- which also paradoxically created a vast market of extremely unaffordable housing -- but it was just a house of card!

s. The real estate bubble popped, the bad loans came crashing down, and the world markets came tumbling after.

Back in the early 1990s, however, it was all still coming together. Writing in the New York Post, Stanley Kurtz described some of the techniques community organizers use to intimidate banks into making bad loans: "In the name of fairness to minorities, community organizers occupy private offices, chant inside bank lobbies, and confront executives at their homes -- and thereby force financial institutions to direct hundreds of millions of dollars in mortgages to low-credit customers."

He continued: "In other words, community organizers help to undermine the U.S. economy by pushing the banking system into a sinkhole of bad loans. And Obama has spent years training and funding the organizers who do it."

Kurtz went on to detail the nature of that training and funding in concert with ACORN (the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now), an essential component in the drive to force banks "kicking and screaming" as Madeline Talbott, one of Obama's close ACORN associates put it, into the risky loan business. At one point, Kurtz reported, "Obama was training the army of ACORN organizers who participated in Madeline Talbott's drive against Chicago's banks."

Will America elect someone this far left wing to take charge of the Federal Reserve Bank? Terrifying thought. To be sure, it wasn't just community shakedown artists who brought our current crisis about. They had massive help along the way, as "affirmative action lending" practices were foisted on the banking industry at the national level, particularly during the presidencies of Carter, Clinton and, yes, George W. Bush. These lending practices were further institutionalized once government-sponsored Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, under the astronomically well-paid leadership of Fannie CEO James A. Johnson, began snapping up high-risk loans and repackaging them for sale on the world market. Johnson, whom Obama, of course, chose to lead his vice-presidential selection committee (until financial shenanigans over a sweetheart housing loan forced him out) even set a goal for Fannie Mae to buy up $1 trillion in low-income loans to ensure that, as CNSNews.com quoted him as saying, "ev!

ery American who wants to get a mortgage will have their loan approved."

Well, they did. And it didn't work out so well, did it? Such is the human cost of social engineering, whether on Wall Street, Main Street or Red Square. No wonder Obama doesn't seem to want to discuss the pesky details. "The main thing is to just move away from this hyper-political environment and recognize the house is on fire," he recently said.

That's the main thing? "Let's put out the fire first," he added, "and we can figure out what caused it."

Later, he means. A lot later. Like after Election Day when it's too late to vote for the other guy. Because what voters in their right minds would expect the man who likes to set the fires to put them out?




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From tracy at commercialpressink.com Thu Oct 2 17:40:16 2008 From: tracy at commercialpressink.com (Tracy Charleson) Date: Thu Oct 2 17:40:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off Message-ID: <483CE0C6-9D58-48EA-B413-75F6C2BB3ABB@commercialpressink.com> Hal, Just another opinion, but you probably won't want to hear it because it's from New York (Totally uncalled for ignorant remark, you sound like a democrats in my town and on CNN, if someone doesn't agree with you it automatically gives you the right to insult and degrade them) Just so happens McCain-Palin get my whole families vote this year!! How refreshing to see honesty and unrehearsed answers! Last thing I want to see is more "Professional Politicians" in government. Gosh, look where all the experienced politicians have gotten us to today. Time for some integrity, honesty and hard work. Just look at the voting records. Obama can't even bother to show up to most Senate meetings, but then why should he, he gets paid regardless and after all HE is what is important not us lowly American's. Tracy "Did you know...;. When you shop locally-owned businesses, your money is re-circulated over and over and creates up to 75% more tax revenue to our community and state." Tracy Charleson Commercial Press, Inc. 216 Cowan Road Canton, New York 13617 Phone: (315) 386-3431 Fax: (315) 386-5259 email: info@commercialpressink.com http://www.commercialpressink.com Message: 6 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:08:32 -0400 From: "Hal Wendt" Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Message-ID: <000b01c924ca$a7530780$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" < Hal, Have you seen the interviews? What is your (unbiased) opinion? FWIW, I cringe every time she is on the air in an un-rehearsed setting. Don't they Wonderlick VP job applicants? No, I haven't but as soon we get electricity in our log cabin I'll save up for a Tee Vee. I would have expected nothing less from New York. Keep on cringin' Hal From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Thu Oct 2 18:10:31 2008 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Thu Oct 2 18:10:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off In-Reply-To: <708459.75331.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00ed01c924db$affab250$5b01a8c0@fileserver> I wasn't comparing Obama to McCain I was comparing him to Palin and the way she is treated by the media. Do you not see a double standard in the way they treat the 2 "outsiders'" in this campaign? If you don't then you need to lighten up on the Kool Aid. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Wes Cornwell Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:12 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Obama has done a lot of things, He taught Law Classes at Harvard. He was elected to Illinois State senate, he was elected a US senator. If he was a Republican you'd be saying that that meant he was an outsider and not part of the beltway politics. Instead McCain is trying to somehow to sell the fact that he has been in Washington his whole life and well connected three generations back as an "maverick" who isn't part of the Washington beltway elite. It's just baloney. Lots of presidents had thin resumes. Take W for instance. Woodrow Wilson was president of Princton. Eisenhower was a General. Reagan was governor for just 8 years. Having a long resume didn't help Johnson or Nixon or Hoover. Wes Cornwell Sundance Printing 10240 Progress Lane Parker, CO 80134 303-841-3094 ----- Original Message ---- From: Ed Pierce To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 2:56:51 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Anybody that is confident in their beliefs as Palin is suspect to libs. She must be ignorant to hold such simple beliefs according to liberals. The media would never ask Biden, Clinton or any other Dim the questions they ask her. It is totally biased. I watched Dodd and Harry Reid last night having a mutual admiration society going on about the passage of that pork bill and I literally wanted to puke. What jokes they are but the sad part is the public is always the recipient of the joke. Somebody please tell me what Obama has done besides be black and a huge lib? Let's see. He has organized voter registration drives...I think. He has a nice smile. He can shoot baskets. He went to law school. He jogs up steps and waves really nice. Um...let's see. He attended that bigot Rev Dr Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years but didn't hear anything out of place in the crazy man's sermons. Nothing but love, peace and understanding in those messages was there? I would like for someone to ask Obama where his money came from. He was born to a single mom had to take student loans to go to school, worked as a government paid volunteer and was an attorney for a short time so where did he get the money he has now? You don't think he is bought and paid for do you? At least McCain did it the old fashioned way he married into it. Strangely enough I don't hear the media or libs in general questioning his credentials like they are Palin's. There you go John. Take another blood pressure pill and you will be ok. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3490 (20081002) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 18:30:20 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Oct 2 18:30:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off In-Reply-To: <16E1739F69F04D519F67023367C01A68@DANIEL> References: <001c01c924b7$3fa40a20$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> <16E1739F69F04D519F67023367C01A68@DANIEL> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0810021530v2108aefbi541ddcfc3c2530d8@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > Why do they hate her so much? They make the entire state of Alaska sound > like Dogpatch. > I don't think they hate her; most I've heard have sympathy for her. But come on Dan, what you heard in her interviews wasn't a matter of honesty; it showed that she is totally out of her league. I mean: Putin hanging in the airspace of Alaska? Foreign policy exposure is being able to see Russia on the left and Canada on the right (only when looking north, of course)? And in the context of her apparent lack of recognition of how badly she's out of her element, Alaska might as well be Dogpatch. She certainly doesn't resonate here in the Northeast. > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Sir Francis Bacon > From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Oct 2 18:31:12 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Thu Oct 2 18:31:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off In-Reply-To: <48E503CA.11204.5193509@slb.inkspot.net> References: <708459.75331.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48E503CA.11204.5193509@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <017901c924de$93133920$6401a8c0@coranew> Could you repeat that in English Steve???? Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 201-1345 Fax cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:24 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
Herewith Diana West's column. It's about as good as any other, reasonably accurate, summary I've seen.

(I'll duck for cover now...historically, this list leans considerably to the left, in the politics of those most willing to post politically...)



The conventional wisdom is that the economic crisis is the reason Sen. Barack Obama is up in the polls.

The conventional wisdom is wrong. Not about Obama being up in the polls, of course, but about why that is so. Obama is up in the polls not because of the economic crisis, but because the reason for the economic crisis, the festering root of it all that has twisted the U.S. financial system beyond recognition, is being ignored in our narrative-creating centers, from the mainstream media to Congress to the White House to the presidential candidates themselves.

Since Obama can only stay up in the polls as long as this all-important reason remains an unspoken, murky kind of secret, I can well understand his obvious inclination to change the subject.

The fact is, if American citizens become too widely acquainted with the fact that race-based social engineering virtually created the sub-prime mortgage industry that has transformed the U.S. economy into The Titanic, Obama will sink in the polls. That's because race-based social engineering is what Obama both advanced as a so-called community organizer, and later funded as an official of Chicago's Woods Fund, where he served alongside unrepentant terrorist and political ally William Ayers -- another phantom political fact citizens now pondering their presidential votes are not supposed to consider.

But I digress. The question is, how exactly did the government overlay of race-based goals onto the real estate marketplace help create the sub-prime mortgage industry, which, having imploded, triggered the current economic crisis, and what did Obama have to do with it?

The answer goes back to one of those totalitarian drawing boards where social engineers draft their human havoc. Not "enough" minorities owned homes, the social engineers decided, because not "enough" minorities were eligible for mortgages, the social engineers concluded. Therefore, in the bean-counting name of what "should" be, the social engineers effectively junked all bottom-line, non-racial markers of mortgage eligibility, from steady employment and clean credit to the all-important down payment, that banks have traditionally relied on to determine the difference between a good and a bad credit risk. This paved the way for increasingly unconventional "sub prime" loans for all (including rubber-check-writing deadbeats, speculators and novices-in-over-their-heads of all races). The social engineers claimed victory for what they called "affordable housing" -- which also paradoxically created a vast market of extremely unaffordable housing -- but it was just a house of card!

s. The real estate bubble popped, the bad loans came crashing down, and the world markets came tumbling after.

Back in the early 1990s, however, it was all still coming together. Writing in the New York Post, Stanley Kurtz described some of the techniques community organizers use to intimidate banks into making bad loans: "In the name of fairness to minorities, community organizers occupy private offices, chant inside bank lobbies, and confront executives at their homes -- and thereby force financial institutions to direct hundreds of millions of dollars in mortgages to low-credit customers."

He continued: "In other words, community organizers help to undermine the U.S. economy by pushing the banking system into a sinkhole of bad loans. And Obama has spent years training and funding the organizers who do it."

Kurtz went on to detail the nature of that training and funding in concert with ACORN (the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now), an essential component in the drive to force banks "kicking and screaming" as Madeline Talbott, one of Obama's close ACORN associates put it, into the risky loan business. At one point, Kurtz reported, "Obama was training the army of ACORN organizers who participated in Madeline Talbott's drive against Chicago's banks."

Will America elect someone this far left wing to take charge of the Federal Reserve Bank? Terrifying thought. To be sure, it wasn't just community shakedown artists who brought our current crisis about. They had massive help along the way, as "affirmative action lending" practices were foisted on the banking industry at the national level, particularly during the presidencies of Carter, Clinton and, yes, George W. Bush. These lending practices were further institutionalized once government-sponsored Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, under the astronomically well-paid leadership of Fannie CEO James A. Johnson, began snapping up high-risk loans and repackaging them for sale on the world market. Johnson, whom Obama, of course, chose to lead his vice-presidential selection committee (until financial shenanigans over a sweetheart housing loan forced him out) even set a goal for Fannie Mae to buy up $1 trillion in low-income loans to ensure that, as CNSNews.com quoted him as saying, "ev!

ery American who wants to get a mortgage will have their loan approved."

Well, they did. And it didn't work out so well, did it? Such is the human cost of social engineering, whether on Wall Street, Main Street or Red Square. No wonder Obama doesn't seem to want to discuss the pesky details. "The main thing is to just move away from this hyper-political environment and recognize the house is on fire," he recently said.

That's the main thing? "Let's put out the fire first," he added, "and we can figure out what caused it."

Later, he means. A lot later. Like after Election Day when it's too late to vote for the other guy. Because what voters in their right minds would expect the man who likes to set the fires to put them out?




Steve Blatman
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_______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3490 (20081002) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 18:43:47 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Oct 2 18:43:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off In-Reply-To: <48E52672.2000604@copycats.com> References: <001501c924c7$c12fd8c0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> <48E52672.2000604@copycats.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0810021543j25156652x6dd63a300bc214b7@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Robert Stor wrote: > > > Don't they Wonderlick VP job applicants? > > Great question, Bob. Wouldn't you love to know all of the candidates' Wonderlic scores? Not that even a 40 would make me believe Sarah Palin is qualified for the role she's trying to play. > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Sir Francis Bacon > From david at commercialpressink.com Thu Oct 2 19:02:49 2008 From: david at commercialpressink.com (David Charleson) Date: Thu Oct 2 18:58:50 2008 Subject: SPAM-MED: Re: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off In-Reply-To: <03F32FDE-22BC-435E-AB6D-C512CD6CE4CC@eos.net> References: <001501c924c7$c12fd8c0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> <48E52672.2000604@copycats.com> <000b01c924ca$a7530780$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> <48E534A1.2070908@copycats.com> <03F32FDE-22BC-435E-AB6D-C512CD6CE4CC@eos.net> Message-ID: <48E55319.3070704@commercialpressink.com> Scott you are right on about the statement below...sure John McCain is a "politician" in that he has been in Washington for a long time. One thing he has that BO doesnt have is character,integrity and unconditional love of his country. Im sure he is not perfect and not the total answer to all our problems but i think between him and Palin working together they will steer us in the right direction. Its too bad we couldnt pay senators and congressmen the mean wage in the US. Then maybe they can understand how the other half lives. Its just ironic how they all become very wealthy after they are in office a short time. My question is why no one is questioning the contents in BO's books he wrote, or how he has acquired his wealth and why the dems want him in office so bad hell i think HC was a better choice than him. Is this the type of "character"and "integrity" we want leading our country? I am just a"little"worried if BO is elected. I believe in what Thomas Jefferson said a long time ago: "When people fear their government there is tyranny, when a government fears it people there is liberty" David Charleson Commercial Press Inc. 216 Cowan Rd Canton NY 13617 P 315.386.3431 david@commercialpressink.com www.commercialpressink.com Scott Finke wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Americans have to get over the illusion that only lawyers, ivy > leaguers and career politicians can run the country. > > We have too many of all three. > > > From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu Oct 2 19:22:37 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu Oct 2 19:22:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Digital Help Message-ID: <8CAF2FCE4158B02-13C8-1E3E@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> I not crazy about attempting this on my X 250. 2500 8? x 5? full color booklets 16 page 4 leaves. saddle stitched & with bleeds I've just made a little over 10,000 for the month of Sept. without a hitch 90% on 12.5 x 19 : ) Not bad for us considering we use to average 1500 - 2000 before on old Lanier. It's great not having to send out work like before. Still do but very little now! Here is the problem! Customer loves the digital book sample we made for him already! Has anyone attempted this run this much on one order on an X250-242 or 252? Also, is $2.38 a bk. enough? Thanks in advance! Tommy Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com From sos at olympus.net Thu Oct 2 19:24:08 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Oct 2 19:24:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off References: <001c01c924b7$3fa40a20$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net><16E1739F69F04D519F67023367C01A68@DANIEL> <98f5b19a0810021530v2108aefbi541ddcfc3c2530d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <52951661B8A8468B8C41A15F870D91B6@DANIEL> >> Why do they hate her so much? They make the entire state of Alaska sound >> like Dogpatch. >> > I don't think they hate her; most I've heard have sympathy for her. > > But come on Dan, what you heard in her interviews wasn't a matter of > honesty; it showed that she is totally out of her league. ===================== I never saw any interview, whatever channel Katie is on we don't get it. But I have read newspaper columnist after columnist just ripping her to shreds, for no reason that I can discern. They just seem to hate her. I really hope I get home in time to see the big debate, so I can see for myself what she is like. I saw a bit on the news about her the other night. Footage of her beauty pageant, with an emphasis on the bathing suit competition. Oh yeah, that's fair news coverage. It is absolutely amazing to me the depths to which the liberal media have sunk to attack her. They make no effort whatsoever to even appear slightly non-biased. They just rip her. Having worked in the newspaper business for 20 years before I bought the printshop, I find it embarrassing in the extreme. Politically, I'm pretty moderate, I vote for both Democrats and Republicans alike, trying my best to choose the best candidate without prejudice as to party affiliation. I believe in a conservative fiscal policy but I'm pretty liberal socially. So I have some pretty serious questions about Sarah Palin. But the way she has been treated in the media just drives me nuts. And the closer the poling show the candidates to be the more strident the columnists get. Last election, while virtually every newspaper in America endorsed John Kerry, the vote was actually just about 50/50. Which clearly shows how out of touch with ordinary Americans the elites in the media are. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From championprinting at yahoo.com Thu Oct 2 20:00:39 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Thu Oct 2 20:00:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off Message-ID: <563772.40735.qm@web38307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greg, ? It's October 2nd (at least on the east coast ). ?Ted Gelletly Retired Printer championprinting@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Greg Weinfurter To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 4:06:40 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off From list at interiorgraphics.com Thu Oct 2 21:23:06 2008 From: list at interiorgraphics.com (Michelle at Interior Graphics) Date: Thu Oct 2 21:23:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off In-Reply-To: <52951661B8A8468B8C41A15F870D91B6@DANIEL> References: <001c01c924b7$3fa40a20$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net><16E1739F69F04D519F67023367C01A68@DANIEL> <98f5b19a0810021530v2108aefbi541ddcfc3c2530d8@mail.gmail.com> <52951661B8A8468B8C41A15F870D91B6@DANIEL> Message-ID: <41658D52-C7A6-406D-B1E4-4A31FDAEFC5B@interiorgraphics.com> I don't usually post to these topics, because they tend to be pretty hot, and I'm not always the most eloquent, and I do believe Sarah will be a great VP. She was mayor of Wasilla when I lived there, her husband races in an event I would love to do sometime, and my dad has worked with her in the past on many issues. I don't like the way the media has ripped her apart and put her on the hot seat so unfairly. We don't see any news coverage of Biden and his blunders. For example - in a recent interview he had with Katie Couric, he was talking about the stock market crash in 1929 and how Franklin Roosevelt got on television to let everyone know what was going on. Except that Hoover was president then, and most households didn't even have television, and they weren't using television in that capacity yet. The clip is on you tube, and the factual parts are in the history books. If Sarah had said that it would be on the front page of every paper across the country, and on every tv report. I hope she does great tonight. She's one heck of a debater, and I really think she'll do a good job for us in the white house, when she gets there. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michelle Maynor "Your Personal Printer" Interior Graphics & Printing 770 8th Avenue Fairbanks, AK 99701 907.456.4982 phone 907.452.6992 fax "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the most." - John Ruskin From info at desktopsxm.com Fri Oct 3 06:44:46 2008 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Fri Oct 3 06:44:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] transferring printsmith master Message-ID: I sent the message below to printsmith support and after 48 hours have still not received a reply. Perhaps someone (Ron Woodruff) can give me an easy way to do this. I am trying to find the easiest and fastest way to do this. Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten Tel 542-4044 fax 543-1100 "The Printshop with a Difference" > have bought a new computer and wish to make it my master. > Can I just take the full program and install on new computer, > Install a new program and then transfer some folders/files or is > there something else I should do and is there anything I should > watch out for. > I am transferring it from a G3 running 10.4.10 to a mini mac running > leopard. > From falconprinting at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 07:36:38 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Fri Oct 3 07:37:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off In-Reply-To: <41658D52-C7A6-406D-B1E4-4A31FDAEFC5B@interiorgraphics.com> Message-ID: Soooooo.....what did everyone think? Few quick points about all the emails: - During the Clinton years liberals complained about how cruel and unbiased the right-wing media was. Media, like anything else, is a business, and they report what makes money. Conservatives CAN'T complain now, because they're in power. Rush Limbaugh (though he still makes insane money) doesn't get the national press he used to because he supports the conservatives, and would have to switch sides to bash them and make headlines. If the Democrats regain power, the news will shift to the other side, so they can trash talk and make headlines again. Print will always lean one way or the other, but for every liberal blog or newspaper there's a conservative one as well. - Biden got eaten up for his stupid remarks about the TV too. He's just not that interesting or he'd be on SNL too. - The media doesn't hate Palin, and they're not overly unfair to her. The Katie Couric interview (who doesn't get CBS) was actually way worse than the SNL skit. Debate (on youtube in its entirety if you missed it): I was actually pretty impressed with Palin all the way around. I'd give Biden the edge if asked who won. I think he ate her up on McCain's deregulation record and health care plan (which is just ridiculous). She did very well, but the facts just seemed to be against her. She was a little nervous, especially at first, but I would have been way worse. If I believed McCain still stood for the things she said he did I'll be a lot more comfortable with them in office. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Michelle at Interior Graphics > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:23:06 -0800 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I don't usually post to these topics, because they tend to be pretty > hot, and I'm not always the most eloquent, and I do believe Sarah > will be a great VP. She was mayor of Wasilla when I lived there, her > husband races in an event I would love to do sometime, and my dad has > worked with her in the past on many issues. > > I don't like the way the media has ripped her apart and put her on > the hot seat so unfairly. We don't see any news coverage of Biden > and his blunders. For example - in a recent interview he had with > Katie Couric, he was talking about the stock market crash in 1929 and > how Franklin Roosevelt got on television to let everyone know what > was going on. Except that Hoover was president then, and most > households didn't even have television, and they weren't using > television in that capacity yet. The clip is on you tube, and the > factual parts are in the history books. If Sarah had said that it > would be on the front page of every paper across the country, and on > every tv report. > > I hope she does great tonight. She's one heck of a debater, and I > really think she'll do a good job for us in the white house, when she > gets there. > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Michelle Maynor > "Your Personal Printer" > Interior Graphics & Printing > 770 8th Avenue > Fairbanks, AK 99701 > 907.456.4982 phone > 907.452.6992 fax > > "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the > most." - John Ruskin > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From markath1 at verizon.net Fri Oct 3 07:55:02 2008 From: markath1 at verizon.net (Rick Martin) Date: Fri Oct 3 07:55:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] transferring printsmith master In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <89C3409466DE41A28848044C1D8C548A@Email> We moved to a mini mac about 6 months ago, running 10.4. All I did was burn a complete copy of the PS folder to a cd and then copy it onto the mini mac. When I opened the PS program, everything worked fine, AR, passwords, account balances all just as they were on the old mac. Make sure to keep the old computer and files handy. If something does happen, you can go back to it. Also, make sure the leopard will print to all the printers etc you need it too. Sometimes drivers need to be changed. Regards Rick Advanced Print & Copy 413-736-9808 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Joel Brint Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 6:45 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] transferring printsmith master ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I sent the message below to printsmith support and after 48 hours have still not received a reply. Perhaps someone (Ron Woodruff) can give me an easy way to do this. I am trying to find the easiest and fastest way to do this. Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten Tel 542-4044 fax 543-1100 "The Printshop with a Difference" > have bought a new computer and wish to make it my master. > Can I just take the full program and install on new computer, > Install a new program and then transfer some folders/files or is > there something else I should do and is there anything I should > watch out for. > I am transferring it from a G3 running 10.4.10 to a mini mac running > leopard. > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Fri Oct 3 07:58:16 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Fri Oct 3 07:58:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: who's to blame? Hal is - off In-Reply-To: <20081002224356.3F34010B692E@rb.enter.net> References: <20081002224356.3F34010B692E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Blaming Obama or McCain or any one person is senseless. Every objective account shows plenty of blame to go around. For years OUR elected officials' failed the county. Lenders raped and pillaged and YES people made bad choices and took interest only loans with little or no down payment. It is just as simplistic as blaming Bob for being in NY with any of your perceived issues. If you want to take that tack, Hal you're to blame for the auto industry woes and the former Mayor in Detroit. (Hal your closer to Detroit than I, David and most other "NY" printers are to Wall Street on the list) Pot shots are easy to make. The problem is they are just a snippet and do nothing to solve the issues. So Hal fire away. You take Bush, Detroit and auto mess and we get Wall Street and Hillary. Now that we have solved all that, what can we get done next with a one liner? John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From woodruff.ron at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 08:21:49 2008 From: woodruff.ron at gmail.com (Ron Woodruff) Date: Fri Oct 3 08:21:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] transferring printsmith master In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joel: Rick pretty much covered it all. I know one thing we had to do on the Windows side when we switched masters was that we had to install a "new" PrintSmith first, rename the PrintSmith folder "Old PrintSmith Folder" and then move the original PrintSmith folder onto the new computer. PS told me that there are some files or settings installed in the computer outside the folder. Some other things you may need to do: Install the barcode font Reassign the IP address of the master Thanks, Ron On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 6:44 AM, Joel Brint wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I sent the message below to printsmith support and after 48 hours have > still not received a reply. > Perhaps someone (Ron Woodruff) can give me an easy way to do this. > I am trying to find the easiest and fastest way to do this. > > Joel Brint > Desktop Imaging > St. Maarten > Tel 542-4044 > fax 543-1100 > > "The Printshop with a Difference" > > > > have bought a new computer and wish to make it my master. >> Can I just take the full program and install on new computer, Install a >> new program and then transfer some folders/files or is there something else >> I should do and is there anything I should watch out for. >> I am transferring it from a G3 running 10.4.10 to a mini mac running >> leopard. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thank you, Ron Woodruff Woodruff Consulting 6 Legend Court Cincinnati, OH 45244 513-587-9085 Fax 513-248-7606 ron@woodruffconsulting.com woodruff.ron@gmail.com www.WoodruffConsulting.com From woodruff.ron at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 08:38:20 2008 From: woodruff.ron at gmail.com (Ron Woodruff) Date: Fri Oct 3 08:38:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] You might be a Pseudo Graphic Designer if........ (jokes) Message-ID: I think most of these have happened in our shop, I'm sure that there are many more. ------------------------------------------------------------------- You might be a Pseudo Graphic Designer......... ... if you submit the artwork for your 80 page self cover booklet with 80 separate Illustrator files. ... if you take the terms "cut and paste" literally and use scissors and glue to assemble your artwork. ... if you submit the 3 photos for your project by dropping off your digital camera....with 1,000 photos....unlabeled.....and without the proprietary cables. ... if you think the phrase "provide 1/8" bleed" involves pricking your thumb. ... if you submit your artwork on more than two pieces of media. Page 1 is on a floppy, page 2 is on a CD, page 3 is hard copy, page will be emailed, etc. ... if you spec a mill item paper for a job that only needs 50 sheets. ... if you spec more than 6 different spot PMS colors for one brochure. ... if you use more than 5 font families on all of your projects. ... if you love to use yellow for the text of your projects. ... if you submit your project with No fonts, No bleeds, and No images and expect us to "fix it" for No additional charges. ... if you think the phrase "crop marks" has something to do with space aliens and corn fields. ... if you submit your 144 full color yearbook on 144 sheets of paper, to be scanned in, cleaned up, and color corrected. ... if you think Microsoft Publisher rocks! ... if you hate Publisher because Microsoft Word can "do it all". ... if you think the phrase "creep allowance" has something to do with your little brother and his chores. ... if you think 4/4, 4/0, and 4/1 all mean the same thing. ... if you submit an RFQ for quantities ranging from 500 to 10,000 in increments of 500. ... if you submit an RFQ with more than 5 paper choices for 1 item. ... if you submit an RFQ with No quantities, No paper, No colors and then expect a competitive price. ... if you request a press proof but can't show up until during regular business hours. ... if you only proof your project After it is printed. ... if you expect your print provider to catch typos on personal information such as email addresses, phone numbers and names. ... if you refuse to use Spell Check because it is a "waist" of your time. ... if you have actually asked the question, "How much does printing cost?" ... if you get offended when asked for a PMS number. ... if you miss the artwork submission deadline by one week yet still want the job printed in time. (Oops, even Real designers do that!) Thanks, Ron Woodruff Relevant Works Direct Marketing Campaign Services 22 Whitney Drive | Milford, OH 45150 | 513-248-7610 | Fax 513-248-7606 | www.RelevantWorks.com | rwoodruff@relevantworks.com From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Fri Oct 3 08:47:37 2008 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Fri Oct 3 08:47:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unlawful use of post office skids In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <466E7FC14B17403F8A0B437878FC570C@MitchDell> It's funny that you sent this message and I'm reading it at this particular time . . . We have a park right across the street from our building and they are doing some major landscaping. Part of that landscaping is removing rock blocks from the park. Guess what they're stacking the blocks on? Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:43 PM To: printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Unlawful use of post office skids ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The new postal skids have in bright letters "$1,000 fine for unauthorized use", was wondering if anyone has heard of the post office actually issuing fines for their misuse???? Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons" "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, and of the merchants a merchant." RALPH WALDO EMERSON Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Fri Oct 3 09:04:23 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Fri Oct 3 09:04:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FactChecking Biden-Palin Debate Message-ID: <48E61857.2040100@sugarloafprint.com> http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_biden-palin_debate.html -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From rstor at copycats.com Fri Oct 3 09:23:35 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Fri Oct 3 09:24:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E61CD7.70401@copycats.com> I think she did much better than I expected, in that she did not sound like a moron. At the same time, I did not think either of them had anything substantive to say - both were in attack dog mode. The one exception was Biden's comment about allowing courts to reduce the interest and principal of mortgages. That's an insane idea and, if it is part of their platform (rather than a Biden improvisation) it will destroy the housing market in the US beyond where the current crisis leads us. If mortgage lenders are not assured that they have fully collateralized loans, they will be charging mortgage rates in line with what they charge for credit cards - think 18% mortgages, not 7%. Property values will reflect this. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Soooooo.....what did everyone think? > > Few quick points about all the emails: > > - During the Clinton years liberals complained about how cruel and unbiased > the right-wing media was. Media, like anything else, is a business, and > they report what makes money. Conservatives CAN'T complain now, because > they're in power. Rush Limbaugh (though he still makes insane money) > doesn't get the national press he used to because he supports the > conservatives, and would have to switch sides to bash them and make > headlines. If the Democrats regain power, the news will shift to the other > side, so they can trash talk and make headlines again. Print will always > lean one way or the other, but for every liberal blog or newspaper there's a > conservative one as well. > > - Biden got eaten up for his stupid remarks about the TV too. He's just not > that interesting or he'd be on SNL too. > > - The media doesn't hate Palin, and they're not overly unfair to her. The > Katie Couric interview (who doesn't get CBS) was actually way worse than the > SNL skit. > > > Debate (on youtube in its entirety if you missed it): > > I was actually pretty impressed with Palin all the way around. I'd give > Biden the edge if asked who won. I think he ate her up on McCain's > deregulation record and health care plan (which is just ridiculous). She > did very well, but the facts just seemed to be against her. She was a > little nervous, especially at first, but I would have been way worse. If I > believed McCain still stood for the things she said he did I'll be a lot > more comfortable with them in office. > > > > > Borzou Azabdaftari > Falcon Print and Copy > 1921 Gallows Road > Suite 150 > Vienna, VA 22182 > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > > >> From: Michelle at Interior Graphics >> Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:23:06 -0800 >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I don't usually post to these topics, because they tend to be pretty >> hot, and I'm not always the most eloquent, and I do believe Sarah >> will be a great VP. She was mayor of Wasilla when I lived there, her >> husband races in an event I would love to do sometime, and my dad has >> worked with her in the past on many issues. >> >> I don't like the way the media has ripped her apart and put her on >> the hot seat so unfairly. We don't see any news coverage of Biden >> and his blunders. For example - in a recent interview he had with >> Katie Couric, he was talking about the stock market crash in 1929 and >> how Franklin Roosevelt got on television to let everyone know what >> was going on. Except that Hoover was president then, and most >> households didn't even have television, and they weren't using >> television in that capacity yet. The clip is on you tube, and the >> factual parts are in the history books. If Sarah had said that it >> would be on the front page of every paper across the country, and on >> every tv report. >> >> I hope she does great tonight. She's one heck of a debater, and I >> really think she'll do a good job for us in the white house, when she >> gets there. >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Michelle Maynor >> "Your Personal Printer" >> Interior Graphics & Printing >> 770 8th Avenue >> Fairbanks, AK 99701 >> 907.456.4982 phone >> 907.452.6992 fax >> >> "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the >> most." - John Ruskin >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From championprinting at yahoo.com Fri Oct 3 09:26:30 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Fri Oct 3 09:26:38 2008 Subject: OFF Re: [PrintOwners] FactChecking Biden-Palin Debate Message-ID: <924703.99236.qm@web38306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Shocking that both candidates would misrepresent (lie about) both their own and their opponent's records . I did not understand the fuss about Gwen Ifill. Looked "Fair & Balanced" to me. ?Ted Gelletly Retired Printer championprinting@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Ron Sardo To: Print Owners Sent: Friday, October 3, 2008 9:04:23 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] FactChecking Biden-Palin Debate ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_biden-palin_debate.html -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Fri Oct 3 09:31:34 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Fri Oct 3 09:32:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off In-Reply-To: <48E503CA.11204.5193509@slb.inkspot.net> References: <708459.75331.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48E503CA.11204.5193509@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <016001c9255c$5b9e4dd0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Steve I have to admit your post went right over my head . Gord Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 Ph: 416 298 6996 Fax: 416 298 2771 www.xoxocyberprint.com gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com You can lick our envelopes but you can't beat our printing! -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 5:24 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
Herewith Diana West's column. It's about as good as any other, reasonably accurate, summary I've seen.

(I'll duck for cover now...historically, this list leans considerably to the left, in the politics of those most willing to post politically...)



The conventional wisdom is that the economic crisis is the reason Sen. Barack Obama is up in the polls.

The conventional wisdom is wrong. Not about Obama being up in the polls, of course, but about why that is so. Obama is up in the polls not because of the economic crisis, but because the reason for the economic crisis, the festering root of it all that has twisted the U.S. financial system beyond recognition, is being ignored in our narrative-creating centers, from the mainstream media to Congress to the White House to the presidential candidates themselves.

Since Obama can only stay up in the polls as long as this all-important reason remains an unspoken, murky kind of secret, I can well understand his obvious inclination to change the subject.

The fact is, if American citizens become too widely acquainted with the fact that race-based social engineering virtually created the sub-prime mortgage industry that has transformed the U.S. economy into The Titanic, Obama will sink in the polls. That's because race-based social engineering is what Obama both advanced as a so-called community organizer, and later funded as an official of Chicago's Woods Fund, where he served alongside unrepentant terrorist and political ally William Ayers -- another phantom political fact citizens now pondering their presidential votes are not supposed to consider.

But I digress. The question is, how exactly did the government overlay of race-based goals onto the real estate marketplace help create the sub-prime mortgage industry, which, having imploded, triggered the current economic crisis, and what did Obama have to do with it?

The answer goes back to one of those totalitarian drawing boards where social engineers draft their human havoc. Not "enough" minorities owned homes, the social engineers decided, because not "enough" minorities were eligible for mortgages, the social engineers concluded. Therefore, in the bean-counting name of what "should" be, the social engineers effectively junked all bottom-line, non-racial markers of mortgage eligibility, from steady employment and clean credit to the all-important down payment, that banks have traditionally relied on to determine the difference between a good and a bad credit risk. This paved the way for increasingly unconventional "sub prime" loans for all (including rubber-check-writing deadbeats, speculators and novices-in-over-their-heads of all races). The social engineers claimed victory for what they called "affordable housing" -- which also paradoxically created a vast market of extremely unaffordable housing -- but it was just a house of card!

s. The real estate bubble popped, the bad loans came crashing down, and the world markets came tumbling after.

Back in the early 1990s, however, it was all still coming together. Writing in the New York Post, Stanley Kurtz described some of the techniques community organizers use to intimidate banks into making bad loans: "In the name of fairness to minorities, community organizers occupy private offices, chant inside bank lobbies, and confront executives at their homes -- and thereby force financial institutions to direct hundreds of millions of dollars in mortgages to low-credit customers."

He continued: "In other words, community organizers help to undermine the U.S. economy by pushing the banking system into a sinkhole of bad loans. And Obama has spent years training and funding the organizers who do it."

Kurtz went on to detail the nature of that training and funding in concert with ACORN (the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now), an essential component in the drive to force banks "kicking and screaming" as Madeline Talbott, one of Obama's close ACORN associates put it, into the risky loan business. At one point, Kurtz reported, "Obama was training the army of ACORN organizers who participated in Madeline Talbott's drive against Chicago's banks."

Will America elect someone this far left wing to take charge of the Federal Reserve Bank? Terrifying thought. To be sure, it wasn't just community shakedown artists who brought our current crisis about. They had massive help along the way, as "affirmative action lending" practices were foisted on the banking industry at the national level, particularly during the presidencies of Carter, Clinton and, yes, George W. Bush. These lending practices were further institutionalized once government-sponsored Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, under the astronomically well-paid leadership of Fannie CEO James A. Johnson, began snapping up high-risk loans and repackaging them for sale on the world market. Johnson, whom Obama, of course, chose to lead his vice-presidential selection committee (until financial shenanigans over a sweetheart housing loan forced him out) even set a goal for Fannie Mae to buy up $1 trillion in low-income loans to ensure that, as CNSNews.com quoted him as saying, "ev!

ery American who wants to get a mortgage will have their loan approved."

Well, they did. And it didn't work out so well, did it? Such is the human cost of social engineering, whether on Wall Street, Main Street or Red Square. No wonder Obama doesn't seem to want to discuss the pesky details. "The main thing is to just move away from this hyper-political environment and recognize the house is on fire," he recently said.

That's the main thing? "Let's put out the fire first," he added, "and we can figure out what caused it."

Later, he means. A lot later. Like after Election Day when it's too late to vote for the other guy. Because what voters in their right minds would expect the man who likes to set the fires to put them out?




Steve Blatman
Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
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_______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jdaghir at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 09:51:08 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Fri Oct 3 09:51:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Folders - Challenge and otherwise.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83d5b9620810030651j4d7fb3cdybced80a1020cb78@mail.gmail.com> Assuming they are rubber rollers or combo rubber/steel and that they are not too badly damaged you can have the rubber replaced and regound. You can only do it once and because some of the knurling on the steel gets ground down the grip is not quite as good as new rollers but it is considerably cheaper. I had the rollers in our MBO right-angle redone a few years ago and I believe it was around $100 a roller. New rollers from MBO were $660 each. There are a couple places that do it. I used Wear-Ever Manufacturing and was reasonably pleased with the results. You'll need to replace the bearings when you install the recovered rollers. Wear-Ever Manufacturing Bencia, CA www.wearevermfg.com Threre is also JAS Graphics Indianapolis, IN www.jasgraphics.net and Clevland Folder Service Chicago, IL www.clevelandfolder.com -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Borzou said: > So, our Challenge SRA3 folder needed new rollers about 4 months ago. We > muscled threw it, and now it REALLY needs new rollers. I'm told Challenge > is no longer supporting our product though. So.... From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Fri Oct 3 09:53:18 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Fri Oct 3 09:54:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off In-Reply-To: <48E61CD7.70401@copycats.com> References: <48E61CD7.70401@copycats.com> Message-ID: <48E623CE.3070001@sugarloafprint.com> Robert Stor wrote: > I think she did much better than I expected, in that she did not sound > like a moron. At the same time, I did not think either of them had > anything substantive to say - both were in attack dog mode. > I think both did the job that was expected of them. I give them both a two thumbs up. I never thought Palin was a moron, that was the way our media portrays her. I expected her to do well and she did. What I find alarming is how intelligent people can't see through the media's hype and the politicians' spin. -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Fri Oct 3 10:24:11 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Fri Oct 3 10:24:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] You might be a Pseudo Graphic Designer if........ (jokes) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E62B0B.9070804@satx.rr.com> You missed one. You submit your 32 page booklet in 32 layers because you know how to make a new layer, you don't know how to make a new page. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Ron Woodruff wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I think most of these have happened in our shop, I'm sure that there > are many more. > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > You might be a Pseudo Graphic Designer......... > > ... if you submit the artwork for your 80 page self cover booklet > with 80 separate Illustrator files. > > ... if you take the terms "cut and paste" literally and use scissors > and glue to assemble your artwork. > > ... if you submit the 3 photos for your project by dropping off your > digital camera....with 1,000 photos....unlabeled.....and without the > proprietary cables. > > ... if you think the phrase "provide 1/8" bleed" involves pricking your thumb. > > ... if you submit your artwork on more than two pieces of media. Page > 1 is on a floppy, page 2 is on a CD, page 3 is hard copy, page will be > emailed, etc. > > ... if you spec a mill item paper for a job that only needs 50 sheets. > > ... if you spec more than 6 different spot PMS colors for one brochure. > > ... if you use more than 5 font families on all of your projects. > > ... if you love to use yellow for the text of your projects. > > ... if you submit your project with No fonts, No bleeds, and No > images and expect us to "fix it" for No additional charges. > > ... if you think the phrase "crop marks" has something to do with > space aliens and corn fields. > > ... if you submit your 144 full color yearbook on 144 sheets of > paper, to be scanned in, cleaned up, and color corrected. > > ... if you think Microsoft Publisher rocks! > > ... if you hate Publisher because Microsoft Word can "do it all". > > ... if you think the phrase "creep allowance" has something to do > with your little brother and his chores. > > ... if you think 4/4, 4/0, and 4/1 all mean the same thing. > > ... if you submit an RFQ for quantities ranging from 500 to 10,000 in > increments of 500. > > ... if you submit an RFQ with more than 5 paper choices for 1 item. > > ... if you submit an RFQ with No quantities, No paper, No colors and > then expect a competitive price. > > ... if you request a press proof but can't show up until during > regular business hours. > > ... if you only proof your project After it is printed. > > ... if you expect your print provider to catch typos on personal > information such as email addresses, phone numbers and names. > > ... if you refuse to use Spell Check because it is a "waist" of your time. > > ... if you have actually asked the question, "How much does printing cost?" > > ... if you get offended when asked for a PMS number. > > ... if you miss the artwork submission deadline by one week yet still > want the job printed in time. (Oops, even Real designers do that!) > > > Thanks, > > Ron Woodruff > Relevant Works > Direct Marketing Campaign Services > 22 Whitney Drive | Milford, OH 45150 | > 513-248-7610 | Fax 513-248-7606 | www.RelevantWorks.com | > rwoodruff@relevantworks.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From kevin at proprinters.ca Fri Oct 3 11:08:34 2008 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin at PRO Printers) Date: Fri Oct 3 11:08:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 510 or Oce TDS450 Message-ID: <23DA6714F54F4975BBFFE6ECC8A1F98C@promerivale1> Anyone have any direct experience with the Xerox 510 or Oce TDS450 Engineering copiers? I want to pull the trigger on a deal asap and both of these machines are very close on features (speed better on X but quality better on Oce, etc - it's a saw-off) and pricing and maintenance are virtually identical. Can anyone sway me one way or the other? Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca From mfoster at chilitech.net Fri Oct 3 11:18:18 2008 From: mfoster at chilitech.net (Michael Foster) Date: Fri Oct 3 11:18:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Baum 310 collator troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <23DA6714F54F4975BBFFE6ECC8A1F98C@promerivale1> Message-ID: Does anyone have a troubleshooting manual for this machine..... -- Michael Foster The Print Shoppe 421 Washington Blvd. Williamsport, PA 17701 570-327-9005 Fax 570-327-9149 www.theprintshoppe.com mfoster@chilitech.net From nelsonind at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 3 11:30:29 2008 From: nelsonind at sbcglobal.net (Curtis Nelson) Date: Fri Oct 3 11:31:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Folders - Challenge and otherwise.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E63A95.3020703@sbcglobal.net> I have a Baum 714 XLT airfolder and love it. I recently sold an older model 714 airfolder for $1,300 , but I have seen them go very reasonably. The newer models have plastic covers. I would suggest looking for a used 714 XLT. There are even some of them set up for right angle folding. The folding is fairly even and accurate, but the air pumps make a fair amount of noise. I use earplugs when I operate it. There are also friction-fed models, but I have never used one. The rollers are still available, but sort of expensive (I think around $500). Baum still has complete rebuild kits. You might want to check with a bindery (they do this everyday). Best of luck, Curtis Nelson Nelson Industries 438 Reynolds Circle, San Jose, CA 95112 (408) 452-0116 Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >So, our Challenge SRA3 folder needed new rollers about 4 months ago. We >muscled threw it, and now it REALLY needs new rollers. I'm told Challenge >is no longer supporting our product though. So.... > >1. Does anyone know if/where I can get parts for this? > >2. If not, I have to get a new one. I'm a little bit in love with the >Morgana Digifold, but I'm a little shy on dropping $30K on a folder right >now. Looking at a Baum ultrafold 714XLT, or a Baum Flexifold. Figure I'll >tack on the digicreaser later. Anyone have experience with either, or >recommend anything else? > > >Borzou Azabdaftari >Falcon Print and Copy >1921 Gallows Road >Suite 150 >Vienna, VA 22182 >t.703.442.0124 >f.703.442.0134 >borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Oct 3 11:29:35 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Oct 3 11:32:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF and UP and OUT like real fast.... In-Reply-To: <48E623CE.3070001@sugarloafprint.com> References: <48E61CD7.70401@copycats.com> <48E623CE.3070001@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: <200810031532.m93FW3fi006630@i2bnetworks.com> About 24 hours from now I'll be putting on a flight suit, G suit and a helmet and going for a ride with these guys: http://tinyurl.com/4emprt Thanks to a very well connected client (she redefines the term great client), she's has made it possible for me to go up on a solo ride with the lead pilot tomorrow before the Air Show at Miramar begins. From what I understand it going to be a 20-25 minute ride zipping though the skies of San Diego county at 500+ MPH.... Here's their home page, I'm going up with "Wilbur" http://tinyurl.com/4y2e4x If you watch the video you'll get an idea of their performance abilities. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity and I feel extremely lucky to do this. I went out and bought a new Nikon Coolpix 10 Megapixels with good video capabilities so I should be able to get some pretty good video from inside the cockpit. I'll bring it to Chicago. 45 minute preflight debrief about what NOT to touch, and also what to do if we have to eject...definitely don't want to be this guy....http://tinyurl.com/3mn72w And yeah, they give me a barf bag. There's not a coaster on the planet I won't go on, but obviously there's no rails here so it takes it up a few notches.... Hopefully I won't need it and then some people I know are gonna lose some coin. Should be a hoot. This one was a bigeee on my bucket list....after tomorrow it gets a big X. S. _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com Fri Oct 3 11:39:57 2008 From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat) Date: Fri Oct 3 11:39:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 510 or Oce TDS450 In-Reply-To: <23DA6714F54F4975BBFFE6ECC8A1F98C@promerivale1> References: <23DA6714F54F4975BBFFE6ECC8A1F98C@promerivale1> Message-ID: Kevin, There is a Xerox 510 for sale on ebay, do not know if it is a good price but check it out. http://tinyurl.com/54ol2y Good luck. Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kevin at PRO Printers Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 11:09 AM To: Print Owners Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 510 or Oce TDS450 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Anyone have any direct experience with the Xerox 510 or Oce TDS450 Engineering copiers? I want to pull the trigger on a deal asap and both of these machines are very close on features (speed better on X but quality better on Oce, etc - it's a saw-off) and pricing and maintenance are virtually identical. Can anyone sway me one way or the other? Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3493 (20081003) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From printer at ptialaska.net Fri Oct 3 11:41:37 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Fri Oct 3 11:41:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] You might be a Pseudo Graphic Designer if........ (jokes) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F012A69-3244-4349-88BB-85A468B96115@ptialaska.net> Here are some of my personal favorites. ... if you LOVE using upper case script fonts ... if you insist on 2 spaces after every period (because your 9th grade typing teacher said so - in 1970 - on an IBM Selectric) ... if you think that converting fonts to outlines is a religious term ... if when proofing a job you oooh and ahhh at the layout, but neglect to check for spelling, errors and omissions ... if you call a .pdf a .pfd ... if you call any adobe product adobe (instead of acrobat, indesign, photoshop, etc) ... if you say MAC OS EX (instead of OS10) ... if you complain the finished printed color does not match what you saw on your monitor (which happens to be a 1998 viewsonic) ... if when proofing your card on screen you keep pointing and touching the monitor thus getting your greasy fingerprints all over it (my personal pet peeve) ... if you call any pc program windows ie: "what did you create the file in" (response) "Windows" ... if you love using 2k .gif files for your large format printing projects _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From david at commercialpressink.com Fri Oct 3 11:52:52 2008 From: david at commercialpressink.com (David Charleson) Date: Fri Oct 3 11:49:05 2008 Subject: SPAM-MED: [PrintOwners] OFF and UP and OUT like real fast.... In-Reply-To: <200810031532.m93FW3fi006630@i2bnetworks.com> References: <48E61CD7.70401@copycats.com> <48E623CE.3070001@sugarloafprint.com> <200810031532.m93FW3fi006630@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <48E63FD4.70203@commercialpressink.com> Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > About 24 hours from now I'll be putting on a flight suit, G suit and a > helmet and going for a ride with these guys: > Scott, Holy s***!!!!! That looks like a great time...im envious....have a great time.....will you be able to take any pics? -- David Charleson Commercial Press Inc. 216 Cowan Rd Canton NY 13617 P 315.386.3431 david@commercialpressink.com www.commercialpressink.com From s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com Fri Oct 3 11:55:58 2008 From: s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com (Sonya Hughes) Date: Fri Oct 3 12:00:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HP5100 Computer to plate In-Reply-To: <23DA6714F54F4975BBFFE6ECC8A1F98C@promerivale1> References: <23DA6714F54F4975BBFFE6ECC8A1F98C@promerivale1> Message-ID: We have been looking at computer to plate on an entry level basis. There is nothing inexpensive out there except this is on ebay, and I am wondering if anyone has ever used this printer in that context, and if so, what the results were. Any information you can share with me will be appreciated. Won't it be great when the elections are over! Off topic: I thought Biden and Palen both did well last night, but knew one of the first things I would hear this morning is criticizm of Palen's folksy style. Pretty funny when everyone is preaching we hate the typical Washington politician and everything they represent, until someone who isn't comes along. Just my take. Have a great weekend. Sonya Hughes Legends Printing Dodge City From sos at olympus.net Fri Oct 3 12:03:24 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Oct 3 12:03:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] VP Debate - OFF References: <48E61CD7.70401@copycats.com> <48E623CE.3070001@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: I though Palin started off great and kind of lost steam as the evening went on. Biden just had way more experience and facts and figures at his disposal. They really didn't debate any issues, it was more a series of scripted mini speeches one after the other, which is unfortunate. More give and take and actual debate would have been nice. Considering Palin had just a few weeks to prepare and Biden has been in national politics for decades, she did very well. We just heard from our Health Insurance company, rates are going up quite a bit for next year. I really wish one or the other candidate had a more credible plan on health care. Our rates have gone from under $100 to well over $400 per month per employee in the eleven years I've owned the business. That is a rate that dwarfs the increase in housing. I believe a true crisis is brewing and no one knows what to do about it except to just keep paying more and more. And more. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From sos at olympus.net Fri Oct 3 12:08:32 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Oct 3 12:08:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF and UP and OUT like real fast.... References: <48E61CD7.70401@copycats.com> <48E623CE.3070001@sugarloafprint.com> <200810031532.m93FW3fi006630@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <69D19E5CF350457482D8873B6613FADC@DANIEL> > About 24 hours from now I'll be putting on a flight suit, G suit and > a helmet and going for a ride with these guys: > > http://tinyurl.com/4emprt > ====================== Wow! Have fun. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Fri Oct 3 12:40:20 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Fri Oct 3 12:40:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HP5100 Computer to plate In-Reply-To: References: <23DA6714F54F4975BBFFE6ECC8A1F98C@promerivale1> Message-ID: <008a01c92576$b9bb7a90$6401a8c0@coranew> Sonya, when you are in Wichita next, stop and see me. I have a HP5000 that is just sitting here and I need the room. I would let you have it for $100 if you want it to try. It works good and does 1200 DPI. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 201-1345 Fax cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Sonya Hughes Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 10:56 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] HP5100 Computer to plate ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have been looking at computer to plate on an entry level basis. There is nothing inexpensive out there except this is on ebay, and I am wondering if anyone has ever used this printer in that context, and if so, what the results were. Any information you can share with me will be appreciated. Won't it be great when the elections are over! Off topic: I thought Biden and Palen both did well last night, but knew one of the first things I would hear this morning is criticizm of Palen's folksy style. Pretty funny when everyone is preaching we hate the typical Washington politician and everything they represent, until someone who isn't comes along. Just my take. Have a great weekend. Sonya Hughes Legends Printing Dodge City _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3493 (20081003) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From cpurvine1 at cox.net Fri Oct 3 12:42:37 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Fri Oct 3 12:42:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF and UP and OUT like real fast.... In-Reply-To: <69D19E5CF350457482D8873B6613FADC@DANIEL> References: <48E61CD7.70401@copycats.com><48E623CE.3070001@sugarloafprint.com><200810031532.m93FW3fi006630@i2bnetworks.com> <69D19E5CF350457482D8873B6613FADC@DANIEL> Message-ID: <009101c92577$0b4c3750$6401a8c0@coranew> You have way more guts than I have!!!! Wonder if we will see a brown streak added to the red white and blue Have fun, Cora. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 201-1345 Fax cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From randy at actionprintingokc.com Fri Oct 3 12:44:52 2008 From: randy at actionprintingokc.com (Randy McConnell) Date: Fri Oct 3 12:45:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HP5100 Computer to plate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I use the 5100 all the time for short run projects that don't require screens. Not real happy with the screen output. If you would like more specific information please feel free to contact me off line. Randy McConnell Action Printing 1429 W. Main Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 73106 405-235-5956 Fax 405-235-5961 randy@actionprintingokc.com www.actionprintingokc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Sonya Hughes Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 10:56 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] HP5100 Computer to plate ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have been looking at computer to plate on an entry level basis. There is nothing inexpensive out there except this is on ebay, and I am wondering if anyone has ever used this printer in that context, and if so, what the results were. Any information you can share with me will be appreciated. Won't it be great when the elections are over! Off topic: I thought Biden and Palen both did well last night, but knew one of the first things I would hear this morning is criticizm of Palen's folksy style. Pretty funny when everyone is preaching we hate the typical Washington politician and everything they represent, until someone who isn't comes along. Just my take. Have a great weekend. Sonya Hughes Legends Printing Dodge City _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Minmandon at aol.com Fri Oct 3 12:49:57 2008 From: Minmandon at aol.com (Minmandon@aol.com) Date: Fri Oct 3 12:50:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF and UP and OUT like real fast.... Message-ID: In a message dated 10/3/2008 11:35:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: http://tinyurl.com/4emprt Several years ago I got to take a ride in a World War II fighter plane. We went out over the Everglades & performed some aerobatics. Unlike a roller coaster you get to feel sustained G force on your body. It is a weird feeling when you realize your hands & legs won't move like they are supposed to. One of the things we did was the "hammerhead stall". This is where the nose of the aircraft is pointed straight up & you travel until it will go no further. The aircraft falls off to one side. Eventually the pilot levels the plane off. Have fun & don't forget the barf bag. Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield 954 421-9904 **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Fri Oct 3 12:52:31 2008 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Fri Oct 3 12:52:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF and UP and OUT like real fast.... In-Reply-To: <200810031532.m93FW3fi006630@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <01E1FA1EAEBB44CB9117ECF581856BE8@MitchDell> I hate you . . . What with all your horrific weather . . . and now this? Ooops! What I meant to say was, I wanna go! If you get video I'd love to see you post it for viewing. Have fun! PS I'd give a left something or other for ride like that! Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 10:30 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF and UP and OUT like real fast.... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** About 24 hours from now I'll be putting on a flight suit, G suit and a helmet and going for a ride with these guys: http://tinyurl.com/4emprt Thanks to a very well connected client (she redefines the term great client), she's has made it possible for me to go up on a solo ride with the lead pilot tomorrow before the Air Show at Miramar begins. From what I understand it going to be a 20-25 minute ride zipping though the skies of San Diego county at 500+ MPH.... Here's their home page, I'm going up with "Wilbur" http://tinyurl.com/4y2e4x If you watch the video you'll get an idea of their performance abilities. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity and I feel extremely lucky to do this. I went out and bought a new Nikon Coolpix 10 Megapixels with good video capabilities so I should be able to get some pretty good video from inside the cockpit. I'll bring it to Chicago. 45 minute preflight debrief about what NOT to touch, and also what to do if we have to eject...definitely don't want to be this guy....http://tinyurl.com/3mn72w And yeah, they give me a barf bag. There's not a coaster on the planet I won't go on, but obviously there's no rails here so it takes it up a few notches.... Hopefully I won't need it and then some people I know are gonna lose some coin. Should be a hoot. This one was a bigeee on my bucket list....after tomorrow it gets a big X. S. _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From inkyhand at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 12:56:47 2008 From: inkyhand at gmail.com (Ron Livingston) Date: Fri Oct 3 12:56:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HP5100 Computer to plate In-Reply-To: References: <23DA6714F54F4975BBFFE6ECC8A1F98C@promerivale1> Message-ID: <5c2107b30810030956g28169bd3j43873d731c078dba@mail.gmail.com> We are using laser plates on a HP5000, the predecessor to the 5100. We produce about 200 plates a month with it. If you have time to call me at 972-285-4670, I can explain the pros and cons a lot faster than my slow typing will allow me to. Ron On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Sonya Hughes < s.hughes@legendsofdodgecity.com> wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > We have been looking at computer to plate on an entry level basis. There is > nothing inexpensive out there except this is on ebay, and I am wondering if > anyone has ever used this printer in that context, and if so, what the > results were. Any information you can share with me will be appreciated. > > Won't it be great when the elections are over! > > Off topic: I thought Biden and Palen both did well last night, but knew one > of the first things I would hear this morning is criticizm of Palen's folksy > style. Pretty funny when everyone is preaching we hate the typical > Washington politician and everything they represent, until someone who isn't > comes along. Just my take. > > Have a great weekend. > > Sonya Hughes > Legends Printing > Dodge City > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Ron Livingston Cornerstone Press 1228 Scyene, Suite 117 Mesquite, TX 75149 (972) 285-4670 From keli at parchmentpress.net Fri Oct 3 12:58:43 2008 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Fri Oct 3 12:58:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HP5100 Computer to plate In-Reply-To: <008a01c92576$b9bb7a90$6401a8c0@coranew> References: <23DA6714F54F4975BBFFE6ECC8A1F98C@promerivale1> <008a01c92576$b9bb7a90$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <48E64F43.1000205@parchmentpress.net> I second that.. I have used my HP5000 with polyester plates came out good enough.. runs up to 10,000 past that or recurring jobs - go metal.. Since going digital I put my HP to doing other things.. and use compatible toner now.. Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Cora Purvine wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Sonya, when you are in Wichita next, stop and see me. I have a HP5000 that > is just sitting here and I need the room. I would let you have it for $100 > if you want it to try. It works good and does 1200 DPI. > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora and Bernie Purvine > 5801 W. Juno Street > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > (316) 522-0733 > (316) 201-1345 Fax > cpurvine1@cox.net > Microsoft Service Provider > Member NAQP > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Sonya Hughes > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 10:56 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] HP5100 Computer to plate > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > We have been looking at computer to plate on an entry level basis. > There is nothing inexpensive out there except this is on ebay, and I > am wondering if anyone has ever used this printer in that context, > and if so, what the results were. Any information you can share with > me will be appreciated. > > Won't it be great when the elections are over! > > Off topic: I thought Biden and Palen both did well last night, but > knew one of the first things I would hear this morning is criticizm > of Palen's folksy style. Pretty funny when everyone is preaching we > hate the typical Washington politician and everything they represent, > until someone who isn't comes along. Just my take. > > Have a great weekend. > > Sonya Hughes > Legends Printing > Dodge City > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3493 (20081003) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From Minmandon at aol.com Fri Oct 3 13:53:41 2008 From: Minmandon at aol.com (Minmandon@aol.com) Date: Fri Oct 3 13:53:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HP5100 Computer to plate Message-ID: In a message dated 10/3/2008 12:06:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, s.hughes@legendsofdodgecity.com writes: We have been looking at computer to plate on an entry level basis. Look at Kimosetter. We've been using it for about three years. Not one problem. If it crapped out today I would go & buy a new one. Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield 954 421-9904 **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From tufelkinder at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 13:58:58 2008 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Fri Oct 3 13:59:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] scanning 12" circles In-Reply-To: <48E3E58E.31722.BB1A17@slb.inkspot.net> References: <48E3E58E.31722.BB1A17@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0810031058i6c4e9c34ha290c500c639bd32@mail.gmail.com> Hi Steve, We can do the 12"x12" scanning for you if you haven't already found another source. I was thinking we couldn't but I just double-checked and it looks like we can do up to 12.2". Thanks! Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ The best way out is always through. -- Robert Frost From stalprint at charter.net Fri Oct 3 14:53:50 2008 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Fri Oct 3 14:53:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HP5100 Computer to plate In-Reply-To: References: <23DA6714F54F4975BBFFE6ECC8A1F98C@promerivale1> Message-ID: <48E66A3E.8060209@charter.net> Works great for me using Hurst Smart Plates. You do need to have a special printer driver setting in order to get enough heat applied to the plate. Hurst tech support will walk you through doing the setup - other vendors may also. A plate vendor may send you some imaged plates to try if you call them. Also, I have found out using off brand toners does not work well. Stick with HP brand. I still go to film/metal plate with photos or hairline register jobs. Local newspaper does my film. Sonya Hughes wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > We have been looking at computer to plate on an entry level basis. > There is nothing inexpensive out there except this is on ebay, and I > am wondering if anyone has ever used this printer in that context, > and if so, what the results were. Any information you can share with > me will be appreciated. > > Won't it be great when the elections are over! > > Off topic: I thought Biden and Palen both did well last night, but > knew one of the first things I would hear this morning is criticizm > of Palen's folksy style. Pretty funny when everyone is preaching we > hate the typical Washington politician and everything they represent, > until someone who isn't comes along. Just my take. > > Have a great weekend. > > Sonya Hughes > Legends Printing > Dodge City > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From jeff at nwgprint.com Fri Oct 3 15:14:06 2008 From: jeff at nwgprint.com (Jeff Swoyer) Date: Fri Oct 3 15:14:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Eliminating outstanding credits in Printsmith Message-ID: <0D12C61D155F4CDF9607C65ED18DE231@northwes2uvrwl> Hello to all who. For those of you who are using Printsmith, I've got a question. When I print my Account Aging Report, it is often populated with customers who are carrying a small credit, sometimes from years ago, sometimes as small as two cents. I would like to eliminate these. Has anyone dealt with this before and if so, how did you handle it? Thank you in advance for your reply! Jeff Swoyer Northwest Graphics, Inc. 625 South Lincoln Avenue Steamboat Springs, CO 80487 970-879-5444 Fax: 970-879-9854 jeff@nwgprint.com From rstor at copycats.com Fri Oct 3 15:28:27 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Fri Oct 3 15:29:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off In-Reply-To: <000b01c924ca$a7530780$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> References: <001501c924c7$c12fd8c0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> <48E52672.2000604@copycats.com> <000b01c924ca$a7530780$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48E6725B.2000801@copycats.com> Hal, George Will is not from New York http://tinyurl.com/4z5k46 Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Hal Wendt wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > < > Hal, > > Have you seen the interviews? What is your (unbiased) opinion? > > FWIW, I cringe every time she is on the air in an un-rehearsed setting. > > Don't they Wonderlick VP job applicants? > > No, I haven't but as soon we get electricity in our log cabin I'll save up for a Tee Vee. > I would have expected nothing less from New York. > > Keep on cringin' > > Hal > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From copythatnyc at aol.com Fri Oct 3 15:32:06 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Fri Oct 3 15:32:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF and UP and OUT like real fast.... In-Reply-To: <200810031532.m93FW3fi006630@i2bnetworks.com> References: <48E61CD7.70401@copycats.com> <48E623CE.3070001@sugarloafprint.com> <200810031532.m93FW3fi006630@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <8CAF3A5DA9C5E56-150C-A1C@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> Scott don't!!! Wit for me.. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Cappel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:29 am Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF and UP and OUT like real fast.... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? About 24 hours from now I'll be putting on a flight suit, G suit and a helmet and going for a ride with these guys:? ? http://tinyurl.com/4emprt? ? Thanks to a very well connected client (she redefines the term great client), she's has made it possible for me to go up on a solo ride with the lead pilot tomorrow before the Air Show at Miramar begins.? ? From what I understand it going to be a 20-25 minute ride zipping though the skies of San Diego county at 500+ MPH....? ? Here's their home page, I'm going up with "Wilbur"? ? http://tinyurl.com/4y2e4x? ? If you watch the video you'll get an idea of their performance abilities.? ? This is a once in a lifetime opportunity and I feel extremely lucky to do this.? ? I went out and bought a new Nikon Coolpix 10 Megapixels with good video capabilities so I should be able to get some p retty good video from inside the cockpit. I'll bring it to Chicago.? ? 45 minute preflight debrief about what NOT to touch, and also what to do if we have to eject...definitely don't want to be this guy....http://tinyurl.com/3mn72w? ? And yeah, they give me a barf bag. There's not a coaster on the planet I won't go on, but obviously there's no rails here so it takes it up a few notches....? ? Hopefully I won't need it and then some people I know are gonna lose some coin.? ? Should be a hoot.? ? This one was a bigeee on my bucket list....after tomorrow it gets a big X.? ? S.? ? ? ? ? _____________________________________________? ? Scott Cappel? ? Sorrento Mesa Printing? 7398 Trade Street? San Diego, CA 92121-2422? 858-527-0800? 858-527-1740 FAX? http://www.sorrentomesa.com? ? LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa? ? Direct Links for Learning:? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html? ? Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider? Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider? Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level? Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider? ? Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego? ? ________________________ _______________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Fri Oct 3 15:40:40 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Fri Oct 3 15:41:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Eliminating outstanding credits in Printsmith In-Reply-To: <0D12C61D155F4CDF9607C65ED18DE231@northwes2uvrwl> References: <0D12C61D155F4CDF9607C65ED18DE231@northwes2uvrwl> Message-ID: Go to the payment window, click on the credit (left side of the screen), click on Remainder (below where you enter the payment amount) and select refund cash, which will make you over in cash, or check if you intend to refund the amount. Call if I didn't make myself clear enough. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Swoyer Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 2:14 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Eliminating outstanding credits in Printsmith ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hello to all who. For those of you who are using Printsmith, I've got a question. When I print my Account Aging Report, it is often populated with customers who are carrying a small credit, sometimes from years ago, sometimes as small as two cents. I would like to eliminate these. Has anyone dealt with this before and if so, how did you handle it? Thank you in advance for your reply! Jeff Swoyer Northwest Graphics, Inc. 625 South Lincoln Avenue Steamboat Springs, CO 80487 970-879-5444 Fax: 970-879-9854 jeff@nwgprint.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Fri Oct 3 15:51:45 2008 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Fri Oct 3 15:52:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Eliminating outstanding credits in Printsmith In-Reply-To: <0D12C61D155F4CDF9607C65ED18DE231@northwes2uvrwl> Message-ID: <3414F9EAD34340379C352D4DC4070D26@MitchDell> Jeff, It should be fairly simple. . . Just create an off-setting journal entry for each account. To apply the journal entry, go into post payments, select the journal entry, and the invoice you're trying to clear, and post them (I believe you need to select the negative Journal entry first). It's pretty straightforward. The only question is what sales category to post the journal entry to. If you're only talking about a few cents or dollars it won't really make much difference. If you want to refund money, use Mark Lake's method. If it's only for a few cents it's not worth it. HTH Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Swoyer Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 2:14 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Eliminating outstanding credits in Printsmith ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hello to all who. For those of you who are using Printsmith, I've got a question. When I print my Account Aging Report, it is often populated with customers who are carrying a small credit, sometimes from years ago, sometimes as small as two cents. I would like to eliminate these. Has anyone dealt with this before and if so, how did you handle it? Thank you in advance for your reply! Jeff Swoyer Northwest Graphics, Inc. 625 South Lincoln Avenue Steamboat Springs, CO 80487 970-879-5444 Fax: 970-879-9854 jeff@nwgprint.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From char at themasterspress.com Fri Oct 3 15:59:31 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Fri Oct 3 15:59:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Eliminating outstanding credits in Printsmith In-Reply-To: <0D12C61D155F4CDF9607C65ED18DE231@northwes2uvrwl> References: <0D12C61D155F4CDF9607C65ED18DE231@northwes2uvrwl> Message-ID: Jeff we do it as a journal entry and just take it off. Sometimes that .02 is my putting in a wrong number or whatever. Same thing when we have a write off - we do a journal entry. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Swoyer Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 2:14 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Eliminating outstanding credits in Printsmith ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hello to all who. For those of you who are using Printsmith, I've got a question. When I print my Account Aging Report, it is often populated with customers who are carrying a small credit, sometimes from years ago, sometimes as small as two cents. I would like to eliminate these. Has anyone dealt with this before and if so, how did you handle it? Thank you in advance for your reply! Jeff Swoyer Northwest Graphics, Inc. 625 South Lincoln Avenue Steamboat Springs, CO 80487 970-879-5444 Fax: 970-879-9854 jeff@nwgprint.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3493 (20081003) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3493 (20081003) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From sgfinke at fuse.net Fri Oct 3 16:46:42 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Fri Oct 3 16:42:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Eliminating outstanding credits in Printsmith In-Reply-To: <0D12C61D155F4CDF9607C65ED18DE231@northwes2uvrwl> References: <0D12C61D155F4CDF9607C65ED18DE231@northwes2uvrwl> Message-ID: <68F96D9A-057E-424D-A58D-DC76D991E71B@fuse.net> The other responses are good. Here is a little more information. If you are not giving a refund (and I didn't know how to do that before Mark Lake'st post!) you'll want to correct those through a journal entry. It is under A/R, and allows you to negate mistaken balances or credits, get rid of mistaken or disputed charges, etc., after an invoice has already been posted. You can also use it to take losses if a customer never pays, or goes out of business. Here's the important part... if the entries are years old, you need to uncheck "affect sales." That will correct your billing mistakes without changing years worth of sales data. If you are doing a current adjustment, of course you want to leave "affect sales" checked, because it does affect your current sales data. Once you make the journal entry, then you have to go to the post payments window and post it, clicking on both the credit and the adjustment to post the data and cancel out the credit. If you don't, you end up with all the credits and the adjustments for each account listed in a column in its account, but no action has been taken on it. Every time you make a journal entry, you'll see a box that says "adjust invoice #XXXXX." Use that box to record why you made the adjustment, in case you ever have to remember why you did it. Do you know how to open the sales tape and void transactions if you make a mistake entering payments? That will help keep you from having incorrect balances in the first place. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Oct 3, 2008, at 3:14 PM, Jeff Swoyer wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello to all who. For those of you who are using Printsmith, I've > got a > question. > > > > When I print my Account Aging Report, it is often populated with > customers > who are carrying a small credit, sometimes from years ago, > sometimes as > small as two cents. I would like to eliminate these. Has anyone > dealt with > this before and if so, how did you handle it? > > > > Thank you in advance for your reply! > > > > Jeff Swoyer > > Northwest Graphics, Inc. > > 625 South Lincoln Avenue > > Steamboat Springs, CO 80487 > > 970-879-5444 > > Fax: 970-879-9854 > > jeff@nwgprint.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From kathy at mpcny.com Fri Oct 3 16:50:25 2008 From: kathy at mpcny.com (Kathy Henry) Date: Fri Oct 3 16:51:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF and UP and OUT like real fast.... In-Reply-To: <200810031532.m93FW3fi006630@i2bnetworks.com> References: <48E61CD7.70401@copycats.com> <48E623CE.3070001@sugarloafprint.com> <200810031532.m93FW3fi006630@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <020001c92599$a971a0b0$fc54e210$@com> Wow, we have our own Top Gun. I can hear him now: Maverick: Tower, this is Ghost rider requesting a flyby. Air Boss Johnson: That's a negative Ghost rider, the pattern is full. Have a wonderful time! Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower." Steve Jobs 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 11:30 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF and UP and OUT like real fast.... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** About 24 hours from now I'll be putting on a flight suit, G suit and a helmet and going for a ride with these guys: http://tinyurl.com/4emprt Thanks to a very well connected client (she redefines the term great client), she's has made it possible for me to go up on a solo ride with the lead pilot tomorrow before the Air Show at Miramar begins. From what I understand it going to be a 20-25 minute ride zipping though the skies of San Diego county at 500+ MPH.... Here's their home page, I'm going up with "Wilbur" http://tinyurl.com/4y2e4x If you watch the video you'll get an idea of their performance abilities. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity and I feel extremely lucky to do this. I went out and bought a new Nikon Coolpix 10 Megapixels with good video capabilities so I should be able to get some pretty good video from inside the cockpit. I'll bring it to Chicago. 45 minute preflight debrief about what NOT to touch, and also what to do if we have to eject...definitely don't want to be this guy....http://tinyurl.com/3mn72w And yeah, they give me a barf bag. There's not a coaster on the planet I won't go on, but obviously there's no rails here so it takes it up a few notches.... Hopefully I won't need it and then some people I know are gonna lose some coin. Should be a hoot. This one was a bigeee on my bucket list....after tomorrow it gets a big X. S. _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1703 - Release Date: 10/3/2008 8:18 AM From char at themasterspress.com Fri Oct 3 16:52:35 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Fri Oct 3 16:52:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Eliminating outstanding credits in Printsmith In-Reply-To: <68F96D9A-057E-424D-A58D-DC76D991E71B@fuse.net> References: <0D12C61D155F4CDF9607C65ED18DE231@northwes2uvrwl> <68F96D9A-057E-424D-A58D-DC76D991E71B@fuse.net> Message-ID: <253F1924C10448C0A91BB5F7DC25996E@CharXP> Thanks Gail. That is good info. I just give it to my bookkeeper and say fix this. It is really good to know for myself though how to do it. I am keeping this. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott and Gail Finke Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 3:47 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Eliminating outstanding credits in Printsmith ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The other responses are good. Here is a little more information. If you are not giving a refund (and I didn't know how to do that before Mark Lake'st post!) you'll want to correct those through a journal entry. It is under A/R, and allows you to negate mistaken balances or credits, get rid of mistaken or disputed charges, etc., after an invoice has already been posted. You can also use it to take losses if a customer never pays, or goes out of business. Here's the important part... if the entries are years old, you need to uncheck "affect sales." That will correct your billing mistakes without changing years worth of sales data. If you are doing a current adjustment, of course you want to leave "affect sales" checked, because it does affect your current sales data. Once you make the journal entry, then you have to go to the post payments window and post it, clicking on both the credit and the adjustment to post the data and cancel out the credit. If you don't, you end up with all the credits and the adjustments for each account listed in a column in its account, but no action has been taken on it. Every time you make a journal entry, you'll see a box that says "adjust invoice #XXXXX." Use that box to record why you made the adjustment, in case you ever have to remember why you did it. Do you know how to open the sales tape and void transactions if you make a mistake entering payments? That will help keep you from having incorrect balances in the first place. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Oct 3, 2008, at 3:14 PM, Jeff Swoyer wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello to all who. For those of you who are using Printsmith, I've > got a > question. > > > > When I print my Account Aging Report, it is often populated with > customers > who are carrying a small credit, sometimes from years ago, > sometimes as > small as two cents. I would like to eliminate these. Has anyone > dealt with > this before and if so, how did you handle it? > > > > Thank you in advance for your reply! > > > > Jeff Swoyer > > Northwest Graphics, Inc. > > 625 South Lincoln Avenue > > Steamboat Springs, CO 80487 > > 970-879-5444 > > Fax: 970-879-9854 > > jeff@nwgprint.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3493 (20081003) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3493 (20081003) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3493 (20081003) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From kellycrom at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 16:56:04 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Fri Oct 3 16:57:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF and UP and OUT like real fast.... In-Reply-To: <200810031532.m93FW3fi006630@i2bnetworks.com> References: <48E61CD7.70401@copycats.com> <48E623CE.3070001@sugarloafprint.com> <200810031532.m93FW3fi006630@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <005c01c9259a$850fdb50$8f2f91f0$@com> Did they happen to suggest no tequila within 24hours before takeoff??? ;-) Can't wait to hear about it in Chicago(20 days and counting...) p.s. A little hint, don't try focusing on the little viewfinder of your new toy while in flight, or you're sure to need multiple barf bags. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 10:30 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF and UP and OUT like real fast.... > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > About 24 hours from now I'll be putting on a flight suit, G suit and > a helmet and going for a ride with these guys: > > http://tinyurl.com/4emprt > > Thanks to a very well connected client (she redefines the term great > client), she's has made it possible for me to go up on a solo ride > with the lead pilot tomorrow before the Air Show at Miramar begins. > > From what I understand it going to be a 20-25 minute ride zipping > though the skies of San Diego county at 500+ MPH.... > > Here's their home page, I'm going up with "Wilbur" > > http://tinyurl.com/4y2e4x > > If you watch the video you'll get an idea of their performance > abilities. > > This is a once in a lifetime opportunity and I feel extremely lucky > to do this. > > I went out and bought a new Nikon Coolpix 10 Megapixels with good > video capabilities so I should be able to get some pretty good video > from inside the cockpit. I'll bring it to Chicago. > > 45 minute preflight debrief about what NOT to touch, and also what to > do if we have to eject...definitely don't want to be this > guy....http://tinyurl.com/3mn72w > > And yeah, they give me a barf bag. There's not a coaster on the > planet I won't go on, but obviously there's no rails here so it takes > it up a few notches.... > > Hopefully I won't need it and then some people I know are gonna lose > some coin. > > Should be a hoot. > > This one was a bigeee on my bucket list....after tomorrow it gets a big > X. > > S. > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From woodruff.ron at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 17:20:58 2008 From: woodruff.ron at gmail.com (Ron Woodruff) Date: Fri Oct 3 17:21:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Eliminating outstanding credits in Printsmith In-Reply-To: <0D12C61D155F4CDF9607C65ED18DE231@northwes2uvrwl> References: <0D12C61D155F4CDF9607C65ED18DE231@northwes2uvrwl> Message-ID: Jeff: No need for a Journal Entry. There is an easier way. Go directly to AR > Post Payments Select the Customer Hilight the line item' On the right side of the window you will see the word "Remainder" Simply select how you want to credit the acount: 1. return cash 2. write check 3. credit card refund In these cases, I usually use "return cash" because I'm not actually returning anything Then click Post. Your Done ( In never saw Mark Lake's post so forgive me if this repeats what he said.) On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Jeff Swoyer wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello to all who. For those of you who are using Printsmith, I've got a > question. > > > > When I print my Account Aging Report, it is often populated with customers > who are carrying a small credit, sometimes from years ago, sometimes as > small as two cents. I would like to eliminate these. Has anyone dealt with > this before and if so, how did you handle it? > > > > Thank you in advance for your reply! > > > > Jeff Swoyer > > Northwest Graphics, Inc. > > 625 South Lincoln Avenue > > Steamboat Springs, CO 80487 > > 970-879-5444 > > Fax: 970-879-9854 > > jeff@nwgprint.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thank you, Ron Woodruff Woodruff Consulting 6 Legend Court Cincinnati, OH 45244 513-587-9085 Fax 513-248-7606 ron@woodruffconsulting.com woodruff.ron@gmail.com www.WoodruffConsulting.com From sgfinke at fuse.net Fri Oct 3 18:43:10 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Fri Oct 3 18:39:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Eliminating outstanding credits in Printsmith In-Reply-To: References: <0D12C61D155F4CDF9607C65ED18DE231@northwes2uvrwl> Message-ID: Ron: Won't that mess up your financial records? Especially considering that some of these credits are years old? Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Oct 3, 2008, at 5:20 PM, Ron Woodruff wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Jeff: > > No need for a Journal Entry. There is an easier way. > > Go directly to AR > Post Payments > Select the Customer > Hilight the line item' > > On the right side of the window you will see the word "Remainder" > Simply select how you want to credit the acount: > > 1. return cash > 2. write check > 3. credit card refund > > In these cases, I usually use "return cash" because I'm not actually > returning anything > > Then click Post. Your Done > ( In never saw Mark Lake's post so forgive me if this repeats what > he said.) > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Jeff Swoyer wrote: >> From robmeier at instyprints.net Fri Oct 3 18:39:37 2008 From: robmeier at instyprints.net (Rob Meier) Date: Fri Oct 3 18:39:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Work and Turn In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0809301308w38f928aaw6370d0614ede8e6c@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0809301119p172f6985uc2ab0255a6570ccd@mail.gmail.com> <98f5b19a0809301211pb8c0ab0w9d00c2ac363fad4f@mail.gmail.com> <71694364559443C899A16E0CE1B409B4@DANIEL> <98f5b19a0809301308w38f928aaw6370d0614ede8e6c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E69F29.3050201@instyprints.net> About 18 months ago we had an after market roller installed on our 3302 that cured the majority of this problem. My pressman has left for the day, so I will have to ask him about it on Monday, but we do work and turn on that press all the time now. The part installed was $1800 from a place called United Graphic Equipment in Bloomington, MN. One of the advantages is that now when that roller needs replacing we can do it ourselves from now on. Good luck -- _____________________________ Rob Meier Insty-Prints 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-1959 From bcreighton at danielsprinting.us Fri Oct 3 22:29:59 2008 From: bcreighton at danielsprinting.us (Bill) Date: Fri Oct 3 22:30:35 2008 Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [PrintOwners] transferring printsmith master In-Reply-To: <4ACAF182-9DF0-43F6-BECE-71C55AB2C6EA@pressexpress.org> References: <4ACAF182-9DF0-43F6-BECE-71C55AB2C6EA@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: <48E6D527.4010508@danielsprinting.us> Greg: Your computer is stuck on 9/30/08. Messing with PS again? Bill Greg Weinfurter wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Take your ENTIRE PrintSmith folder, burn it to a cd. That way you > have a back up should things go awry. > > Move the PS folder that you just burned to cd and place it to the > applications folder in the mac mini. > > If you have a new ip address, you will need to go to the workstations > If you have them) and update them so they look for the new ip address, > if you keep the same ip address you should be ok. > > Don't forget to move the dongle. Since you have an old g3, is your PS > dongle adb or usb? If it is an older adb, you will need to pay PS > about a hundred bucks for a newer style usb dongle or you can use an > iMate adapter, but I would recommend upgrading the dongle if needed.. > > Take the old g3 off the network and DO NOT decommission it until you > verify the transfer worked. > > Good luck > > Yea, I know my date is wrong. > > Greg > > On Oct 3, 2008, at 5:44 AM, Joel Brint wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I sent the message below to printsmith support and after 48 hours >> have still not received a reply. >> Perhaps someone (Ron Woodruff) can give me an easy way to do this. >> I am trying to find the easiest and fastest way to do this. >> >> Joel Brint >> Desktop Imaging >> St. Maarten >> Tel 542-4044 >> fax 543-1100 >> >> "The Printshop with a Difference" >> >> >> >>> have bought a new computer and wish to make it my master. >>> Can I just take the full program and install on new computer, >>> Install a new program and then transfer some folders/files or is >>> there something else I should do and is there anything I should >>> watch out for. >>> I am transferring it from a G3 running 10.4.10 to a mini mac running >>> leopard. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Bill Creighton Daniels Printing 2141 Priest Bridge Drive Suite 5 Crofton, MD 301.261.3426 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Sat Oct 4 11:53:26 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Sat Oct 4 11:53:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: All about Obama. History, record, associations including ACORN Message-ID: <004101c92639$56f1fa60$6401a8c0@coranew> This might be interesting if you want to know all about Obama Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 201-1345 Fax cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP Tune in Sunday night at 9:00 EST to FOX News channel to watch Hannity's America. Obama's history, record and associations including ACORN. From k_graham at hotmail.com Sat Oct 4 13:39:12 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Sat Oct 4 13:38:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Programs Licences going Time limited, what programs to be wary of? References: <004101c92639$56f1fa60$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: You know how software usually works - you buy a licence and you either upgrade or some times you see no point and continue with the current version. Often times its better to hold off an upgrade untill the first service pack has been released, consequently we often delay our upgrade of Quick books a few weeks to see what the fall out is, for instance. Last January however we had no choice, Quick Books hit a date, I think it was February 1st and refused to operate without the update.Now we had bought the update because we do payroll with it, but in a trial on another computer we were running into problems as to how procedures had changed and we wanted that figured out before making the update. - eventually our Accountant sorted it out though we now know that Quick Books will time out every year, but it got me wondering -- what programs are out there including a shutoff point on previously fine running software by way of an update? For instance I was recently offered a inexpensive upgrade to Franklin Estimator - something we chose not to update when they switched to Microsoft SQL from their DBF file system in 2002. By chance I asked if the program shuts down and correct or not it was indicated by the salesman it would indeed shut down sometime after the now yearly licence. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 From acepm2 at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 22:05:46 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Sat Oct 4 22:06:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Programs Licences going Time limited, what programs to be wary of? In-Reply-To: References: <004101c92639$56f1fa60$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: Wow... sounds like Franklin took a page out of the EFI/PrintSmith handbook. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 1:39 PM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > You know how software usually works - you buy a licence and you either > upgrade or some times you see no point and continue with the current > version. > > Often times its better to hold off an upgrade untill the first service pack > has been released, consequently we often delay our upgrade of Quick books a > few weeks to see what the fall out is, for instance. > > Last January however we had no choice, Quick Books hit a date, I think it > was February 1st and refused to operate without the update.Now we had > bought > the update because we do payroll with it, but in a trial on another > computer > we were running into problems as to how procedures had changed and we > wanted > that figured out before making the update. - eventually our Accountant > sorted it out though we now know that Quick Books will time out every year, > but it got me wondering -- what programs are out there including a shutoff > point on previously fine running software by way of an update? > > For instance I was recently offered a inexpensive upgrade to Franklin > Estimator - something we chose not to update when they switched to > Microsoft > SQL from their DBF file system in 2002. By chance I asked if the program > shuts down and correct or not it was indicated by the salesman it would > indeed shut down sometime after the now yearly licence. > > Ken Graham > CommunityPrinters.com > 250-782-7108 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com Sun Oct 5 13:48:42 2008 From: kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com (Kirk Squiers) Date: Sun Oct 5 13:48:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off Message-ID: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B1281B58@fpserver.FP.local> I'm voting for her because she is a "Smokin" hottie!! Kirk K. Squiers Central Michigan Graphics YOU THINK IT! WE INK IT! 1200 E. Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-332-2200 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com Standard turnaround time is 7-10 working days after final approval. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Sardo Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 9:53 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Robert Stor wrote: > I think she did much better than I expected, in that she did not sound > like a moron. At the same time, I did not think either of them had > anything substantive to say - both were in attack dog mode. > I think both did the job that was expected of them. I give them both a two thumbs up. I never thought Palin was a moron, that was the way our media portrays her. I expected her to do well and she did. What I find alarming is how intelligent people can't see through the media's hype and the politicians' spin. -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 * Fax: 570-788-6077 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 14:56:32 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Sun Oct 5 14:56:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off In-Reply-To: <48E61CD7.70401@copycats.com> References: <48E61CD7.70401@copycats.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0810051156t716b5635ma123401f54fcdc04@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Robert Stor wrote: > > > I think she did much better than I expected, in that she did not sound like > a moron. At the same time, I did not think either of them had anything > substantive to say - both were in attack dog mode. > > The one exception was Biden's comment about allowing courts to reduce the > interest and principal of mortgages. That's an insane idea and, if it is > part of their platform (rather than a Biden improvisation) it will destroy > the housing market in the US beyond where the current crisis leads us. If > mortgage lenders are not assured that they have fully collateralized loans, > they will be charging mortgage rates in line with what they charge for > credit cards - think 18% mortgages, not 7%. Property values will reflect > this. On the other side of the aisle, we have the inanity of the McCain health care "plan", which is too ludicrous to devote any more space to, although it compares favorably with the entire paragraph in Obama's Small Business Plan that begins with the elimination of capital gains taxes on small businesses and startups to help create more jobs and goes downhill from there. That Sarah Palin did not sound like a moron would be subject to debate if the subject were worthwhile, which it isn't, though at least she didn't make reference to Putin in her airspace. Actually, it's not that she sounded like a moron, which she certainly is not. But over her head? Unprepared? Not well-enough grounded? Too provincial? Wrongheadedly thinks being good enough for Joe Sixpack is good enough for the Presidency of the United States and that being a Washington outsider, is, in and of itself, all America needs??? Yes; all of those describe her well. Seriously, what if nobody showed up at the polls this election day, because there is no worthy candidate in the running? That seems to be the only way remaining for the electorate to give voice to the current political fiasco. I'm in. Anybody else? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From cpurvine1 at cox.net Sun Oct 5 15:04:02 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Sun Oct 5 15:03:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0810051156t716b5635ma123401f54fcdc04@mail.gmail.com> References: <48E61CD7.70401@copycats.com> <98f5b19a0810051156t716b5635ma123401f54fcdc04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006401c9271d$21bed860$6401a8c0@coranew> I don't know about that....Mike Stevens is running and he's as good or better that the choices we already have Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 201-1345 Fax cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 1:57 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] who's to blame - off ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Robert Stor wrote: > > > I think she did much better than I expected, in that she did not sound like > a moron. At the same time, I did not think either of them had anything > substantive to say - both were in attack dog mode. > > The one exception was Biden's comment about allowing courts to reduce the > interest and principal of mortgages. That's an insane idea and, if it is > part of their platform (rather than a Biden improvisation) it will destroy > the housing market in the US beyond where the current crisis leads us. If > mortgage lenders are not assured that they have fully collateralized loans, > they will be charging mortgage rates in line with what they charge for > credit cards - think 18% mortgages, not 7%. Property values will reflect > this. On the other side of the aisle, we have the inanity of the McCain health care "plan", which is too ludicrous to devote any more space to, although it compares favorably with the entire paragraph in Obama's Small Business Plan that begins with the elimination of capital gains taxes on small businesses and startups to help create more jobs and goes downhill from there. That Sarah Palin did not sound like a moron would be subject to debate if the subject were worthwhile, which it isn't, though at least she didn't make reference to Putin in her airspace. Actually, it's not that she sounded like a moron, which she certainly is not. But over her head? Unprepared? Not well-enough grounded? Too provincial? Wrongheadedly thinks being good enough for Joe Sixpack is good enough for the Presidency of the United States and that being a Washington outsider, is, in and of itself, all America needs??? Yes; all of those describe her well. Seriously, what if nobody showed up at the polls this election day, because there is no worthy candidate in the running? That seems to be the only way remaining for the electorate to give voice to the current political fiasco. I'm in. Anybody else? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3495 (20081004) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Sun Oct 5 18:21:07 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Sun Oct 5 18:22:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] anyone will do Message-ID: I have yet to see any substantial changes in the US made by any president since I've been alive. Substantial, not just the nuts and bolts. How has my life changed under any administration? (I'm ready for the onslaught) I don't see any possibility for change of human behavior. The money is all fake, the words are nonsense, nobody's platform is of value unless it can run the gauntlet of capitol hill. I've seen corruption first hand.....yes, the deals and the cash $100 dollar bills. In the hands of one US Congressman from our state. So, I give this election another yawn, just like the others. I have put my life on the line for this country, I'd rather live here than elsewhere, but election rhetoric is what I expect to hear from 8 year olds. Nobody has a plan for anything. Don't you get that?? jeeze. Larry Desert Pacific Printing From si at ria.net Sun Oct 5 18:53:12 2008 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Sun Oct 5 18:55:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4Over's slogan In-Reply-To: <8CAE7C2883BE43D-1230-1083@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> References: <20080918153606.08E2D44CCAB@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> <001d01c919a5$669af7a0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> <200809181608.m8IG8NkT099142@i2bnetworks.com> <8CAE7C2883BE43D-1230-1083@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20081005155534.BAAE8DF4@dm07.mta.everyone.net> At 12:27 PM 9/18/2008, that's a few weeks ago... Ken Azebu wrote: >So, anyone care to predict how long before 4 over starts selling direct? Not to worry, Ken and others. They must have heard your concern. I reckon 4Over's advertisement in the current [October 2008] issue of Quick Printing ought to set your mind at ease . http://xrl.us/qpa/40ver.htm Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From k_graham at hotmail.com Sun Oct 5 22:19:10 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Sun Oct 5 22:18:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Programs Licences going Time limited, what programs to be wary of? References: <004101c92639$56f1fa60$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: Ah well, I've still got the old version 4 that works on XP as long as I don't install security update kb926436 or Service pack 3, which I guess was why I was considering a update. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com > Wow... sounds like Franklin took a page out of the EFI/PrintSmith handbook. > > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > www.acepm.com From printer at ptialaska.net Sun Oct 5 22:31:08 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Sun Oct 5 22:31:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] anyone will do In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <455A8550-0325-461E-85A9-A9CAB88452DD@ptialaska.net> On Oct 5, 2008, at 2:21 PM, larry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > I have yet to see any substantial changes in the US made by any > president since I've been alive. REPLY: You are right, however the difference in your life comes from the supreme court justices that the candidate appoints. Democrats will usually appoint liberal judges who reflect their values (pro abortion, anti-guns (anti 2nd amendment), pro big government, anti small business, pro gay marriage, anti free speech (fairness doctrine), pro affirmitave action (quotas), anti development of our natural resources etc. The republicans usually appoint conservative judges that reflect their values as well. SO, the appointment of judges is the real power to change your life that the president holds. P.S. If I am wrong on the values listed, please let me know, that is how I have perceived democrats during my lifetime. What values do conservatives and liberals have in common, maybe that is where we need to look... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From braddpotter at juno.com Mon Oct 6 01:45:19 2008 From: braddpotter at juno.com (Brad Potter) Date: Mon Oct 6 01:47:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help creating an editble pdf Message-ID: <20081005.224519.25142.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> I just had someone in my office tell me that when creating an editable pdf in Adobe whatever, they are unable to control the movement of the "tab" as it moves from field to field. Example is on the left side of the form, there is a credit card form, room for the card number. The NEXT line down, is the expiration, which would be the intuitive location for a tab key to take you. One the RIGHT side of the form, is the shipping information, name, address, city state zip etc. The TAB key goes from the credit card line to the first name of the ship information line, then tabs down to the expiration field. That seems to me to be crazy talk. Surely the "tab" key can command where the cursor goes next? b Brad Potter Printing Services Inc. www.myprintsource.net Your Printing Super Hero 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A Port Orchard, WA 98366 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! A US Military Vet, whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve is someone who at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to The United States of America for an amount of up to, and including his life. That is honor; and there are way too many people in this country who don't get that. ____________________________________________________________ Looking for insurance? Click to compare and save big. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m275cEaSQ860Zdnpos08OTonoBejtikmmDhe3uKdrmpQQw0/ From woodruff.ron at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 08:12:53 2008 From: woodruff.ron at gmail.com (Ron Woodruff) Date: Mon Oct 6 08:12:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Eliminating outstanding credits in Printsmith In-Reply-To: References: <0D12C61D155F4CDF9607C65ED18DE231@northwes2uvrwl> Message-ID: > Won't that mess up your financial records? ----------------------- >From what I understood, these are customers who have OVER paid their bill and are due their money back. This just removes the overpayment from PrintSmith. It shouldn't affect sales. On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Scott and Gail Finke wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Ron: > > Won't that mess up your financial records? Especially considering that some > of these credits are years old? > > > Gail Finke > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, OH 45231 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > (513) 522-2679 > Fax 522-2692 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > info@brentwood-printing.com > www.brentwood-printing.com > > > > > On Oct 3, 2008, at 5:20 PM, Ron Woodruff wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Jeff: >> >> No need for a Journal Entry. There is an easier way. >> >> Go directly to AR > Post Payments >> Select the Customer >> Hilight the line item' >> >> On the right side of the window you will see the word "Remainder" >> Simply select how you want to credit the acount: >> >> 1. return cash >> 2. write check >> 3. credit card refund >> >> In these cases, I usually use "return cash" because I'm not actually >> returning anything >> >> Then click Post. Your Done >> ( In never saw Mark Lake's post so forgive me if this repeats what he >> said.) >> >> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Jeff Swoyer wrote: >Thank you, Ron Woodruff Relevant Works Direct Marketing Campaign Services 22 Whitney Drive | Milford, OH 45150 | 513-248-7610 | Fax 513-248-7606 | www.RelevantWorks.com | rwoodruff@relevantworks.com From gsnmercury at yahoo.com Mon Oct 6 09:16:28 2008 From: gsnmercury at yahoo.com (William Farquharson) Date: Mon Oct 6 09:16:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Questions for Selling Owners Message-ID: <370685.79563.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Good day, all! I need your help. I am doing research on the unique needs of the Selling Owner in preparation for a seminar next month and ask for your input. Selling Owners, if you were being honest with yourself while answering the question, "Why aren't I selling more?" what would you say? Second, short of having a sales rep or engaging a company to set up appointments for you, what would help you to use your very limited selling time more effectively? For example, if a well qualified (read: well researched) prospect list was given to you each month, would that be enough or would something else help? You can answer through using this forum or email me directly at billf@printtec.com. I've been sending out a free "Trust me. I'm in Sales" T shirt to all who submit answers. If you want one, include your shirt size. Thanks in advance. Bill Farquharson Print Tec www.printtec.com 781-934-7036 billf@printtec.com From jeff at hprinting.biz Mon Oct 6 09:18:37 2008 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Mon Oct 6 09:18:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bulk Mail Acceptance at Post Office-Changes Message-ID: <20081006131833.16975.22314@hm-pop1.solinus.com> I was told by my local post office when I stopped there Friday that I will be receiving a letter in the next week or two saying that the USPS will only accept bulk mailings at a few post offices. That means we will have to drive about 15 miles instead of 2 everyday to do bulk mailings. Has anyone else heard anything about this? I see this as a major threat to our bulk mailings as it will drive up the cost greatly. My local PO says they are trying to fight it and find a way around it as they want the $500,000+ we spend on postage to go through them. They also said they really don't expect to be successful. This seems in complete opposition to what I heard at a postal council meeting by someone high up who came from Washington who said the want our business and want to make mailings easier as they need to be able to break even or make a profit. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From copythatnyc at aol.com Mon Oct 6 09:37:51 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Mon Oct 6 09:38:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4Over's slogan In-Reply-To: <20081005155534.BAAE8DF4@dm07.mta.everyone.net> References: <20080918153606.08E2D44CCAB@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com><001d01c919a5$669af7a0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net><200809181608.m8IG8NkT099142@i2bnetworks.com><8CAE7C2883BE43D-1230-1083@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> <20081005155534.BAAE8DF4@dm07.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <8CAF5CFDCCFF0FC-1010-465B@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> Powerful message. So they are, on our list monitoring us! Trying to gain our confidence, especially before the EXPO! Wouldn't want to set-up a booth like last year, & have absolutely no new prospects watching. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Doug Shelton To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 6:53 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 4Over's slogan ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? At 12:27 PM 9/18/2008, that's a few weeks ago... Ken Azebu wrote:? ? >So, anyone care to predict how long before 4 over starts selling direct?? ? Not to worry, Ken and others. They must have heard your? concern. I reckon 4Over's advertisement in the current? [October 2008] issue of Quick Printing ought to set your? mind at ease .? ? ? http://xrl.us/qpa/40ver.htm? ? Doug Shelton? Superior Impressions, Inc.? Toledo, Ohio? mailto:si@ria.net? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Mon Oct 6 09:38:17 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Mon Oct 6 09:39:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] underpayment of invoice Message-ID: I have a customer that sent a PO (places this order about 4-5 times per year) and they put a price on the PO. I sent the invoice upon delivery and it was higher than the PO. They paid the PO amount. Now, I don't really understand purchase orders and don't require them. I have 5 companies that use PO's, but 1 doesn't fill in a price, 1 says if the price is different to notify them immediately, 1 calls for a price before issuing the PO and 1 tells me to bill for the correct amount, no matter what the PO says. It just so happens that the company in question ordered this job twice within a week (I called to make sure it wasn't the same order twice by mistake) so they have underpaid on 2 invoices. Each invoice was for $931 and their PO was for $868, not a huge amount but enough to a small shop like mine. The purchasing agent sent me an email questioning the difference and I replied exactly what I said in the email, but they short paid the invoice. What would you do? Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From david at commercialpressink.com Mon Oct 6 09:48:08 2008 From: david at commercialpressink.com (David Charleson) Date: Mon Oct 6 09:44:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Publisher 2007 program? Message-ID: <48EA1718.5070709@commercialpressink.com> I know this was a subject a while ago, but does anyone have the contact info for microsoft on this program? TIA -- David Charleson Commercial Press Inc. 216 Cowan Rd Canton NY 13617 P 315.386.3431 david@commercialpressink.com www.commercialpressink.com From jeff at nwgprint.com Mon Oct 6 09:56:52 2008 From: jeff at nwgprint.com (Jeff Swoyer) Date: Mon Oct 6 09:57:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4Over's slogan In-Reply-To: <20081005155534.BAAE8DF4@dm07.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <92B3CAAA299E41C8B0DF91AD630AF720@northwes2uvrwl> No predictions here, but I have been disappointed that they have been advertising in Macworld. I seems to me that advertising in Macworld is not targeting "Trade Only" printing. I wonder how they qualify "Trade"? We do use 4Over quite a bit now. I feel with their pricing, we have been able to pick up a lot of work that used to go to someone else. Jeff Swoyer Northwest Graphics, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Doug Shelton Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 4:53 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 4Over's slogan ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** At 12:27 PM 9/18/2008, that's a few weeks ago... Ken Azebu wrote: >So, anyone care to predict how long before 4 over starts selling direct? Not to worry, Ken and others. They must have heard your concern. I reckon 4Over's advertisement in the current [October 2008] issue of Quick Printing ought to set your mind at ease . http://xrl.us/qpa/40ver.htm Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From russ at mobile-print.com Mon Oct 6 10:10:40 2008 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Mon Oct 6 10:10:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help creating an editble pdf In-Reply-To: <20081005.224519.25142.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081005.224519.25142.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <48EA1C60.5050805@mobile-print.com> Brad, I think that the tab moves the cursor from field to field in the order in which the fields are created. If you want it to go from Card Number to Expiration, you must create the fields in that order. I've only made a few PDF forms but this is the behavior that I have noticed. There may be another method, but I don't know any. -- Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com Brad Potter wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I just had someone in my office tell me that when creating an editable pdf in Adobe whatever, they are unable to control the movement of the "tab" as it moves from field to field. > Example is on the left side of the form, there is a credit card form, room for the card number. The NEXT line down, is the expiration, which would be the intuitive location for a tab key to take you. One the RIGHT side of the form, is the shipping information, name, address, city state zip etc. The TAB key goes from the credit card line to the first name of the ship information line, then tabs down to the expiration field. > That seems to me to be crazy talk. Surely the "tab" key can command where the cursor goes next? > b > > > > From newtone at cox.net Mon Oct 6 10:17:47 2008 From: newtone at cox.net (Newtone) Date: Mon Oct 6 10:17:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Publisher 2007 program? In-Reply-To: <48EA1718.5070709@commercialpressink.com> Message-ID: David, Hope this helps Publisher Service Provider Program [pspp@microsoft.com] Bob Newton Town & Country Printers, Inc. Santee, CA -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of David Charleson Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 6:48 AM To: PrintOwners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Publisher 2007 program? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I know this was a subject a while ago, but does anyone have the contact info for microsoft on this program? TIA -- David Charleson Commercial Press Inc. 216 Cowan Rd Canton NY 13617 P 315.386.3431 david@commercialpressink.com www.commercialpressink.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.3/1694 - Release Date: 10/5/2008 9:20 AM From greg at pressexpress.org Mon Oct 6 10:17:29 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon Oct 6 10:18:05 2008 Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [PrintOwners] transferring printsmith master In-Reply-To: <48E6D527.4010508@danielsprinting.us> References: <4ACAF182-9DF0-43F6-BECE-71C55AB2C6EA@pressexpress.org> <48E6D527.4010508@danielsprinting.us> Message-ID: <3C4BA093-1441-449E-92BB-BEC8227F7685@pressexpress.org> Yea, I dance with the devil every other month or so. Good luck on the upgrade. Greg On Oct 3, 2008, at 9:29 PM, Bill wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Greg: > Your computer is stuck on 9/30/08. > Messing with PS again? > Bill > > Greg Weinfurter wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Take your ENTIRE PrintSmith folder, burn it to a cd. That way you >> have a back up should things go awry. >> >> Move the PS folder that you just burned to cd and place it to the >> applications folder in the mac mini. >> >> If you have a new ip address, you will need to go to the >> workstations If you have them) and update them so they look for the >> new ip address, if you keep the same ip address you should be ok. >> >> Don't forget to move the dongle. Since you have an old g3, is your >> PS dongle adb or usb? If it is an older adb, you will need to pay >> PS about a hundred bucks for a newer style usb dongle or you can >> use an iMate adapter, but I would recommend upgrading the dongle if >> needed.. >> >> Take the old g3 off the network and DO NOT decommission it until >> you verify the transfer worked. >> >> Good luck >> >> Yea, I know my date is wrong. >> >> Greg >> >> On Oct 3, 2008, at 5:44 AM, Joel Brint wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> I sent the message below to printsmith support and after 48 hours >>> have still not received a reply. >>> Perhaps someone (Ron Woodruff) can give me an easy way to do this. >>> I am trying to find the easiest and fastest way to do this. >>> >>> Joel Brint >>> Desktop Imaging >>> St. Maarten >>> Tel 542-4044 >>> fax 543-1100 >>> >>> "The Printshop with a Difference" >>> >>> >>> >>>> have bought a new computer and wish to make it my master. >>>> Can I just take the full program and install on new computer, >>>> Install a new program and then transfer some folders/files or is >>>> there something else I should do and is there anything I should >>>> watch out for. >>>> I am transferring it from a G3 running 10.4.10 to a mini mac >>>> running leopard. >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>> believed to be clean. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > -- > Bill Creighton > Daniels Printing > 2141 Priest Bridge Drive Suite 5 > Crofton, MD > 301.261.3426 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From prtquick at eos.net Mon Oct 6 10:25:56 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Mon Oct 6 10:21:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Publisher 2007 program? In-Reply-To: <48EA1718.5070709@commercialpressink.com> References: <48EA1718.5070709@commercialpressink.com> Message-ID: I finally got ahold of Microsoft on this, and they have discontinued it. Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - PS: Referrals are the lifeblood of my business. If you have a friend or business associate who benefit from my years of experience, please contact me. We will treat them with respect and provide them with great customer service. Your referrals are the greatest compliment I can receive. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - On Oct 6, 2008, at 9:48 AM, David Charleson wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I know this was a subject a while ago, but does anyone have the > contact info for microsoft on this program? > TIA > -- > > David Charleson > > Commercial Press Inc. > > 216 Cowan Rd > > Canton NY 13617 > > P 315.386.3431 > > david@commercialpressink.com > > www.commercialpressink.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From jdaghir at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 10:25:23 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Mon Oct 6 10:25:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Publisher 2007 program? In-Reply-To: <48EA1718.5070709@commercialpressink.com> References: <48EA1718.5070709@commercialpressink.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620810060725t78abfc18jf6f8c6afc821301@mail.gmail.com> I believe the program that supplied you with a free copy of Publisher has been discontinued but you still can get specialized tech support for Publisher from Microsoft here: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/publisher/FX010833971033.aspx http://tinyurl.com/5xnz83 -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com David said: > I know this was a subject a while ago, but does anyone have the contact info > for microsoft on this program? From kellycrom at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 10:31:28 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Mon Oct 6 10:31:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help creating an editble pdf In-Reply-To: <20081005.224519.25142.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081005.224519.25142.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <010501c927c0$3934de60$ab9e9b20$@com> In Acrobat 8, if the form is already set up, go under Forms and select edit form in Acrobat. Then you may right click on one of the fields and select "Set Tab Order". Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brad Potter > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:45 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Help creating an editble pdf > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I just had someone in my office tell me that when creating an editable > pdf in Adobe whatever, they are unable to control the movement of the > "tab" as it moves from field to field. > Example is on the left side of the form, there is a credit card form, > room for the card number. The NEXT line down, is the expiration, > which would be the intuitive location for a tab key to take you. One > the RIGHT side of the form, is the shipping information, name, address, > city state zip etc. The TAB key goes from the credit card line to the > first name of the ship information line, then tabs down to the > expiration field. > That seems to me to be crazy talk. Surely the "tab" key can command > where the cursor goes next? > b > > > > Brad Potter > Printing Services Inc. > www.myprintsource.net > Your Printing Super Hero > 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A > Port Orchard, WA 98366 > 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax > > P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a > friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design > and associated printing related products and services, please contact > me. > I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of > integrity. > Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so > please don't keep us a secret! > > > A US Military Vet, whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve > is someone who at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made > payable to The United States of America for an amount of up to, and > including his life. That is honor; and there are way too many people in > this country who don't get that. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Looking for insurance? Click to compare and save big. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m275cEaSQ860Zdnpos08 > OTonoBejtikmmDhe3uKdrmpQQw0/ > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From robmeier at instyprints.net Mon Oct 6 11:17:38 2008 From: robmeier at instyprints.net (Rob Meier) Date: Mon Oct 6 11:17:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Work and Turn In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48EA2C12.1070501@instyprints.net> It was specifically for this problem. In talking with the pressman he said it made a big difference. He still will leave it sit for a little while and get plates and paper for the next job (5-10 minutes). The only thing I notice is an image that forms on the tail of the sheet that is visible from the side of the stack but not on the individual sheets. The other benefit is that the upper roller in this group of two is now the one that will eventually wear out and it is the easier of the two to replace. You may want to give these guys a call for a better explanation and pricing. Pat or Erick United Graphic Equipment (612) 861-3876 Good luck, Rob Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > Thanks Rob, > > I'd love to hear more about this. Specifically which roller, and why you > think it helped. Did you get it specifically for this problem, or was it an > additional benefit? > > Regards, > > Borzou > > > www.falconprintandcopy.com > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > > > > > > >> From: Rob Meier >> Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:39:37 -0500 >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Work and Turn >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> About 18 months ago we had an after market roller installed on our 3302 >> that cured the majority of this problem. My pressman has left for the >> day, so I will have to ask him about it on Monday, but we do work and >> turn on that press all the time now. The part installed was $1800 from a >> place called United Graphic Equipment in Bloomington, MN. One of the >> advantages is that now when that roller needs replacing we can do it >> ourselves from now on. >> >> Good luck >> >> -- >> _____________________________ >> >> Rob Meier >> >> Insty-Prints >> 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. >> Eau Claire, WI 54701 >> (715) 835-1959 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > > > -- _____________________________ Rob Meier Insty-Prints 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-1959 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon Oct 6 11:28:03 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon Oct 6 11:30:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Publisher 2007 program? In-Reply-To: References: <48EA1718.5070709@commercialpressink.com> Message-ID: <200810061530.m96FUXon047107@i2bnetworks.com> Probably because the program is an abysmal failure unless printing to an office printer. We long ago gave up even trying to make this POS work and ultimately resorted to getting it into a PDF workflow as far upstream as possible. It has absolutely zero ability to control color, I think Redmond finally figured this out...hence their withdrawal from our space. S. At 07:25 AM 10/6/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I finally got ahold of Microsoft on this, and they have discontinued it. > >Scott Finke >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >8630 Winton Road >Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Phone: (513) 522.2679 >Fax (513) 522.2692 >Email: info@brentwood-printing.com >www.Brentwood-Printing.com >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >PS: Referrals are the lifeblood of my business. >If you have a friend or business associate who benefit >from my years of experience, please contact me. >We will treat them with respect and provide them >with great customer service. Your referrals are the >greatest compliment I can receive. >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Send us your file at: >http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > >On Oct 6, 2008, at 9:48 AM, David Charleson wrote: > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>I know this was a subject a while ago, but does anyone have the >>contact info for microsoft on this program? >>TIA >>-- >> >>David Charleson >> >>Commercial Press Inc. >> >>216 Cowan Rd >> >>Canton NY 13617 >> >>P 315.386.3431 >> >>david@commercialpressink.com >> >>www.commercialpressink.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3497 (20081006) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Mon Oct 6 11:42:26 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Mon Oct 6 11:42:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Publisher 2007 program? In-Reply-To: <200810061530.m96FUXon047107@i2bnetworks.com> References: <48EA1718.5070709@commercialpressink.com> <200810061530.m96FUXon047107@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <48EA31E2.4030406@satx.rr.com> I talking with a MS programmer during the beta of 2003 he told me MS id trying to make this a program for process color printing. I tried to explain to him that they are not ever going to hit that market with this product. They needed to write it for the mom and pop that wanted a 1 or 2 color spot flier. He did not listen to me, nor did he fix any of the 30+ bugs I reported. I deal with this program on a near daily basis and I rarely see process color come in Pub format. I see a lot of manuals and fliers in 1-2 colors. MS still thinks their competition is Adobe. They don't get it. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Probably because the program is an abysmal failure unless printing to > an office printer. > > We long ago gave up even trying to make this POS work and ultimately > resorted to getting it into a PDF workflow as far upstream as possible. > > It has absolutely zero ability to control color, I think Redmond > finally figured this out...hence their withdrawal from our space. > > S. > > > From david at commercialpressink.com Mon Oct 6 11:52:18 2008 From: david at commercialpressink.com (David Charleson) Date: Mon Oct 6 11:48:23 2008 Subject: SPAM-MED: [PrintOwners] OFF and UP and OUT like real fast.... In-Reply-To: <200810031532.m93FW3fi006630@i2bnetworks.com> References: <48E61CD7.70401@copycats.com> <48E623CE.3070001@sugarloafprint.com> <200810031532.m93FW3fi006630@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <48EA3432.30604@commercialpressink.com> Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > About 24 hours from now I'll be putting on a flight suit, G suit and a > helmet and going for a ride with these guys: > Well? How was the flight?...we are anxious to see pics and read a story about it!!! I hope it was all what you expected. -- David Charleson Commercial Press Inc. 216 Cowan Rd Canton NY 13617 P 315.386.3431 david@commercialpressink.com www.commercialpressink.com From jeff at nwgprint.com Mon Oct 6 11:49:32 2008 From: jeff at nwgprint.com (Jeff Swoyer) Date: Mon Oct 6 11:49:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Eliminating outstanding credits in Printsmith In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ron, If you choose "return cash", and you're not actually returning anything, how does that affect your reports in your daily closeout? Does it change anything in the "Payments" report or "Daily Deposit Record"? Does it affect the "Accounting Links Summary"? Where does it show up in the "Daily Sales" report? Thanks in advance for your response! Jeff -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Woodruff Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 3:21 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Eliminating outstanding credits in Printsmith ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Jeff: No need for a Journal Entry. There is an easier way. Go directly to AR > Post Payments Select the Customer Hilight the line item' On the right side of the window you will see the word "Remainder" Simply select how you want to credit the acount: 1. return cash 2. write check 3. credit card refund In these cases, I usually use "return cash" because I'm not actually returning anything Then click Post. Your Done ( In never saw Mark Lake's post so forgive me if this repeats what he said.) On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Jeff Swoyer wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello to all who. For those of you who are using Printsmith, I've got a > question. > > > > When I print my Account Aging Report, it is often populated with customers > who are carrying a small credit, sometimes from years ago, sometimes as > small as two cents. I would like to eliminate these. Has anyone dealt with > this before and if so, how did you handle it? > > > > Thank you in advance for your reply! > > > > Jeff Swoyer > > Northwest Graphics, Inc. > > 625 South Lincoln Avenue > > Steamboat Springs, CO 80487 > > 970-879-5444 > > Fax: 970-879-9854 > > jeff@nwgprint.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thank you, Ron Woodruff Woodruff Consulting 6 Legend Court Cincinnati, OH 45244 513-587-9085 Fax 513-248-7606 ron@woodruffconsulting.com woodruff.ron@gmail.com www.WoodruffConsulting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Mon Oct 6 11:57:29 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Mon Oct 6 11:58:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Eliminating outstanding credits in Printsmith In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: All it does is put your cash drawer over. PS thinks you returned cash so it subtracts it from the drawer and it is really still there. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Swoyer Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 10:50 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Eliminating outstanding credits in Printsmith ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Ron, If you choose "return cash", and you're not actually returning anything, how does that affect your reports in your daily closeout? Does it change anything in the "Payments" report or "Daily Deposit Record"? Does it affect the "Accounting Links Summary"? Where does it show up in the "Daily Sales" report? Thanks in advance for your response! Jeff -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Woodruff Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 3:21 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Eliminating outstanding credits in Printsmith ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Jeff: No need for a Journal Entry. There is an easier way. Go directly to AR > Post Payments Select the Customer Hilight the line item' On the right side of the window you will see the word "Remainder" Simply select how you want to credit the acount: 1. return cash 2. write check 3. credit card refund In these cases, I usually use "return cash" because I'm not actually returning anything Then click Post. Your Done ( In never saw Mark Lake's post so forgive me if this repeats what he said.) On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Jeff Swoyer wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello to all who. For those of you who are using Printsmith, I've got > a question. > > > > When I print my Account Aging Report, it is often populated with > customers who are carrying a small credit, sometimes from years ago, > sometimes as small as two cents. I would like to eliminate these. Has > anyone dealt with this before and if so, how did you handle it? > > > > Thank you in advance for your reply! > > > > Jeff Swoyer > > Northwest Graphics, Inc. > > 625 South Lincoln Avenue > > Steamboat Springs, CO 80487 > > 970-879-5444 > > Fax: 970-879-9854 > > jeff@nwgprint.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thank you, Ron Woodruff Woodruff Consulting 6 Legend Court Cincinnati, OH 45244 513-587-9085 Fax 513-248-7606 ron@woodruffconsulting.com woodruff.ron@gmail.com www.WoodruffConsulting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon Oct 6 12:28:16 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon Oct 6 12:31:37 2008 Subject: SPAM-MED: [PrintOwners] OFF and UP and OUT like real fast.... In-Reply-To: <48EA3432.30604@commercialpressink.com> References: <48E61CD7.70401@copycats.com> <48E623CE.3070001@sugarloafprint.com> <200810031532.m93FW3fi006630@i2bnetworks.com> <48EA3432.30604@commercialpressink.com> Message-ID: <200810061630.m96GUleM061744@i2bnetworks.com> Truly an experience of a lifetime. 4.5 G's no barfing. Very cool pilot. If Jughead (great call sign no?) wanted me to barf he could have easily done it. I've got pics and video. Can't attach here but I'll have them my laptop in Chicago. Not sure I posted their website but it has a video showing some of their stuff. http://tinyurl.com/4y2e4x you can right click the video for full screen. Jughead is their announcer so he was good with it cause normally he doesn't fly unless a guest flight is arranged. it was a win/win. I think the biggest revelation of the day was watching the F-22 Raptor do its thing. 75,000 pounds of thrust and vectorable exhaust nozzles. There's afterburner noise, and then there's the Raptor. It make the ground shake. I have never seen a jet fighter do a U turn in such a small amount of space. It almost swivels in place...there is no current fighter on the planet that has any chance against this thing. And I swear the F-18 demo was about 2 mph from breaking the sound barrier, he had a cone on his high speed flyby but must have been just under. They say jet noise is the sound of freedom. I would say thats pretty much the deal. Great day. S. At 08:52 AM 10/6/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Scott Cappel wrote: >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >>About 24 hours from now I'll be putting on a flight suit, G suit >>and a helmet and going for a ride with these guys: > >Well? How was the flight?...we are anxious to see pics and read a >story about it!!! I hope it was all what you expected. > > >-- > >David Charleson > >Commercial Press Inc. > >216 Cowan Rd > >Canton NY 13617 > >P 315.386.3431 > >david@commercialpressink.com > >www.commercialpressink.com > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3497 (20081006) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From sundance_print at yahoo.com Mon Oct 6 12:34:26 2008 From: sundance_print at yahoo.com (Wes Cornwell) Date: Mon Oct 6 12:34:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bulk Mail Acceptance at Post Office-Changes Message-ID: <482132.99714.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I hadn't hear that, but I have had several PO Employees tell me that they are reducing hours at some Bulk Facilities and suggesting that I deliver to the GMF because the postage is so much cheaper and eventually they will only be accepting bulk at the GMF. I have done the math occasionally and I might save $50 in postage but I have to drive 25 miles to Denver and it never seems worth the time. They are consolidating and reducing hours at lots of bulk facilities near me and I wouldn't doubt that what you were told is true. I think the Post Office says they want to make things easier but not necessaily easier for us. Wes Cornwell Sundance Printing 10240 Progress Lane Parker, CO 80134 303-841-3094 ----- Original Message ---- From: Jeff Haines To: PrintOwners@printweb.org Sent: Monday, October 6, 2008 7:18:37 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Bulk Mail Acceptance at Post Office-Changes ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I was told by my local post office when I stopped there Friday that I will be receiving a letter in the next week or two saying that the USPS will only accept bulk mailings at a few post offices. That means we will have to drive about 15 miles instead of 2 everyday to do bulk mailings. Has anyone else heard anything about this? I see this as a major threat to our bulk mailings as it will drive up the cost greatly. My local PO says they are trying to fight it and find a way around it as they want the $500,000+ we spend on postage to go through them. They also said they really don't expect to be successful. This seems in complete opposition to what I heard at a postal council meeting by someone high up who came from Washington who said the want our business and want to make mailings easier as they need to be able to break even or make a profit. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Mon Oct 6 12:40:51 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Mon Oct 6 12:41:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 Message-ID: <48EA3F93.4060806@sugarloafprint.com> http://financialservices.house.gov/essa/essabill.pdf -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Mon Oct 6 12:53:34 2008 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Mon Oct 6 12:53:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Eliminating outstanding credits in Printsmith In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <25B047D9ECFD45A9B21274516BA42586@MitchDell> You are usually giving money back for one of two reasons. . . 1. Your client overpaid you, or 2. You issued a credit and now they want a check. Either way, your client has a credit on their account and they want their money, or you want to get it off their account. If they've overpaid you, this transaction does not affect sales. If it's a credit, you've already accounted for the sales in the credit. What's left is a receivable issue and sales don't come into play. If you're not going to give the money back to your client, since it's only a few cents for each client, pull cash from your cash drawer, and go to your favorite fast food joint. If you're really refunding the money to your client, write the check, or give them the cash. All the return cash, and write check, functions in the post payment window does, is reduce accounts receivable in PS. It does not send a corresponding adjustment to Cash or A/R in your accounting program when you export. The write check, or return cash procedure, requires that you write a check, or return cash, to reconcile your accounting program to PS. When you write the check, or return the cash, out of your accounting program, you are supposed to credit cash and debit accounts receivable. This is the point that A/R is reconciled in your accounting program to PS. If you don't want to pull cash, you could also credit your bad debt expense, or some other appropriate account, to account for the difference. Somehow you need to put a debit in Accounts Receivable so that Receivables in the accounting program match Receivables in PS. Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lake Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 10:57 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Eliminating outstanding credits in Printsmith ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** All it does is put your cash drawer over. PS thinks you returned cash so it subtracts it from the drawer and it is really still there. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Swoyer Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 10:50 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Eliminating outstanding credits in Printsmith ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Ron, If you choose "return cash", and you're not actually returning anything, how does that affect your reports in your daily closeout? Does it change anything in the "Payments" report or "Daily Deposit Record"? Does it affect the "Accounting Links Summary"? Where does it show up in the "Daily Sales" report? Thanks in advance for your response! Jeff -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Woodruff Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 3:21 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Eliminating outstanding credits in Printsmith ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Jeff: No need for a Journal Entry. There is an easier way. Go directly to AR > Post Payments Select the Customer Hilight the line item' On the right side of the window you will see the word "Remainder" Simply select how you want to credit the acount: 1. return cash 2. write check 3. credit card refund In these cases, I usually use "return cash" because I'm not actually returning anything Then click Post. Your Done ( In never saw Mark Lake's post so forgive me if this repeats what he said.) On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Jeff Swoyer wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello to all who. For those of you who are using Printsmith, I've got > a question. > > > > When I print my Account Aging Report, it is often populated with > customers who are carrying a small credit, sometimes from years ago, > sometimes as small as two cents. I would like to eliminate these. Has > anyone dealt with this before and if so, how did you handle it? > > > > Thank you in advance for your reply! > > > > Jeff Swoyer > > Northwest Graphics, Inc. > > 625 South Lincoln Avenue > > Steamboat Springs, CO 80487 > > 970-879-5444 > > Fax: 970-879-9854 > > jeff@nwgprint.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thank you, Ron Woodruff Woodruff Consulting 6 Legend Court Cincinnati, OH 45244 513-587-9085 Fax 513-248-7606 ron@woodruffconsulting.com woodruff.ron@gmail.com www.WoodruffConsulting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From falconprinting at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 13:11:53 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Mon Oct 6 13:12:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF - Copy Shop Video In-Reply-To: <48EA3F93.4060806@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: This is like 10 minutes long and super artsy. There is nothing informative about our industry or really useful in anyway. So consider yourself warned, and please don't give me any heat if you hate it. I thought it was very cool though. http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-9121231592119423214&hl Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com From sgfinke at fuse.net Mon Oct 6 15:14:51 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Mon Oct 6 15:11:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Eliminating outstanding credits in Printsmith In-Reply-To: <25B047D9ECFD45A9B21274516BA42586@MitchDell> References: <25B047D9ECFD45A9B21274516BA42586@MitchDell> Message-ID: <81466D15-A6E7-4F11-A326-B373953DCE5B@fuse.net> Or you could do what I said. That does take care of the sales. :-) If you're only talking about a couple of dollars, I'd do what Ron said. But I got the impression that this was a longstanding problem that had to be corrected. It was for me.... when we first got PrintSmith some of the people who used it were using it incorreclty, and I had years of junk to clean out of the accounts. In fact, I am STILL cleaning up some of it. And in that case you want to do Journal Entries and be sure "affect sales" is unchecked. That just gets rid of your billing mistakes, it doesn't give anyone a refund. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Oct 6, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Mitch Eaton wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > You are usually giving money back for one of two reasons. . . > > 1. Your client overpaid you, or > 2. You issued a credit and now they want a check. > > Either way, your client has a credit on their account and they want > their > money, or you want to get it off their account. If they've overpaid > you, > this transaction does not affect sales. If it's a credit, you've > already > accounted for the sales in the credit. What's left is a receivable > issue and > sales don't come into play. > > If you're not going to give the money back to your client, since > it's only a > few cents for each client, pull cash from your cash drawer, and go > to your > favorite fast food joint. If you're really refunding the money to your > client, write the check, or give them the cash. > > All the return cash, and write check, functions in the post payment > window > does, is reduce accounts receivable in PS. It does not send a > corresponding > adjustment to Cash or A/R in your accounting program when you export. > > The write check, or return cash procedure, requires that you write > a check, > or return cash, to reconcile your accounting program to PS. When > you write > the check, or return the cash, out of your accounting program, you are > supposed to credit cash and debit accounts receivable. This is the > point > that A/R is reconciled in your accounting program to PS. > > If you don't want to pull cash, you could also credit your bad debt > expense, > or some other appropriate account, to account for the difference. > Somehow > you need to put a debit in Accounts Receivable so that Receivables > in the > accounting program match Receivables in PS. > > Mitch Eaton > The Printing Station > 1420 Locust Street > Des Moines, IA 50309 > 515-243-8144 > 866-866-7414 > Fax 515-243-6540 > mitch.eaton@printingstation.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lake > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 10:57 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Eliminating outstanding credits in > Printsmith > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > All it does is put your cash drawer over. PS thinks you returned > cash so it > subtracts it from the drawer and it is really still there. > > > Mark Lake > PIP Printing > 368 Jefferson Street > Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 > 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax > www.pipsturgeonbay.com > Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com > > To send a file to us, please use the link below > http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Swoyer > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 10:50 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Eliminating outstanding credits in > Printsmith > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Ron, > > If you choose "return cash", and you're not actually returning > anything, how > does that affect your reports in your daily closeout? Does it change > anything in the "Payments" report or "Daily Deposit Record"? Does > it affect > the "Accounting Links Summary"? Where does it show up in the "Daily > Sales" > report? > > Thanks in advance for your response! > > Jeff > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Woodruff > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 3:21 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Eliminating outstanding credits in > Printsmith > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Jeff: > > No need for a Journal Entry. There is an easier way. > > Go directly to AR > Post Payments > Select the Customer > Hilight the line item' > > On the right side of the window you will see the word "Remainder" > Simply select how you want to credit the acount: > > 1. return cash > 2. write check > 3. credit card refund > > In these cases, I usually use "return cash" because I'm not actually > returning anything > > Then click Post. Your Done > ( In never saw Mark Lake's post so forgive me if this repeats what > he said.) > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Jeff Swoyer wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Hello to all who. For those of you who are using Printsmith, I've got >> a question. >> >> >> >> When I print my Account Aging Report, it is often populated with >> customers who are carrying a small credit, sometimes from years ago, >> sometimes as small as two cents. I would like to eliminate these. Has >> anyone dealt with this before and if so, how did you handle it? >> >> >> >> Thank you in advance for your reply! >> >> >> >> Jeff Swoyer >> >> Northwest Graphics, Inc. >> >> 625 South Lincoln Avenue >> >> Steamboat Springs, CO 80487 >> >> 970-879-5444 >> >> Fax: 970-879-9854 >> >> jeff@nwgprint.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > > -- > Thank you, > > Ron Woodruff > Woodruff Consulting > 6 Legend Court > Cincinnati, OH 45244 > 513-587-9085 > Fax 513-248-7606 > ron@woodruffconsulting.com > woodruff.ron@gmail.com > www.WoodruffConsulting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database > version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) > Database version: 5.09520 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Mon Oct 6 16:22:59 2008 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Mon Oct 6 16:23:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Keeping up with Paper Prices In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7DCFBE2540F3480D969242240DFCA0B0@MitchDell> Is anyone else finding it challenging keeping paper prices updated in their print management systems? XpedX is our primary paper vendor. We used to have a pretty good choice between 5 different distributors (XpedX, Unisource, and 3 pretty good independents). Two of the independents have resorted to specialization. I haven't ordered anything from Unisource for 3 years for a variety of reasons. My choice is between XpedX and the remaining independent. XpedX has the best service, availability, and when I have the opportunity to compare prices, they are pretty much in line with other vendors. We have a few of our preferred paper lines loaded in PrintSmith. It seems like all we get done doing anymore is updating paper prices. Every time we turn around something's changed. I don't think I've seen paper go up as much as I have in the last year. Keeping up is becoming a full time job! If you haven't updated your MIS with current paper prices, especially if you haven't in the last year or so, you might want to take a quick look and see what's been going on lately. I'm pretty sure you'll find many of your papers have gone up by some pretty amazing numbers. Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com From russ at mobile-print.com Mon Oct 6 16:47:46 2008 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Mon Oct 6 16:47:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] C500 overage charges Message-ID: <48EA7972.8030609@mobile-print.com> It's time for a new maintenance contract from Konica-Minolta on our C500. They want 0.069 for the first 10,000 (minimum), but then go up to 0.076 for overages. Is this customary - charging more for overs rather than less? Our previous contract was for a set quantity over the year, paid upfront, so there was no overage calculations. -- Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! ++++++++ From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 17:04:49 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Oct 6 17:04:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] C500 overage charges In-Reply-To: <48EA7972.8030609@mobile-print.com> References: <48EA7972.8030609@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0810061404q72de4b7bgf7d0b04b5606dd4e@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Russ Peters wrote: > > It's time for a new maintenance contract from Konica-Minolta on our C500. > They want 0.069 for the first 10,000 (minimum), but then go up to 0.076 for overages. > Is this customary - charging more for overs rather than less? > I've never heard of overs being charged at a higher rate. What is your current contract click rate? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From communicar at aol.com Mon Oct 6 17:18:50 2008 From: communicar at aol.com (communicar@aol.com) Date: Mon Oct 6 17:19:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] C500 overage charges In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0810061404q72de4b7bgf7d0b04b5606dd4e@mail.gmail.com> References: <48EA7972.8030609@mobile-print.com> <98f5b19a0810061404q72de4b7bgf7d0b04b5606dd4e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CAF61042F599CC-D78-12BE@FWM-M33.sysops.aol.com> You could ask about the NAQP rate, but I don't know if the contract is good for the C500. Ask your sales rep how much a new machine costs. Then ask when the new ?machine (6501) will be out. And what about the next model which is supposed to come out next year. If you show some interest in a new unit, maybe a sales rep can help get you a better rate.? Ken Azebu Communicart Graphics & Printing 499 Aldo Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408) 970-0922 (408) 970-8630 Fax -----Original Message----- From: Michael Vogel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 2:04 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] C500 overage charges ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Russ Peters wrote: > > It's time for a new maintenance contract from Konica-Minolta on our C500. > They want 0.069 for the first 10,000 (minimum), but then go up to 0.076 for overages. > Is this customary - charging more for overs rather than less? > I've never heard of overs being charged at a higher rate. What is your current contract click rate? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and conside r. ~Sir Francis Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From gsnmercury at yahoo.com Mon Oct 6 17:27:22 2008 From: gsnmercury at yahoo.com (William Farquharson) Date: Mon Oct 6 17:27:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thanks for the input Message-ID: <502858.69425.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I appreciate the feedback to those who answered my question about Selling Owners. Not sure where the original question went (Al Gore over in Tech support is looking into it for me), but the feedback that was received was awesome. Thanks! Bill Farquharson Print Tec From russ at mobile-print.com Mon Oct 6 17:40:25 2008 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Mon Oct 6 17:40:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] C500 overage charges In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0810061404q72de4b7bgf7d0b04b5606dd4e@mail.gmail.com> References: <48EA7972.8030609@mobile-print.com> <98f5b19a0810061404q72de4b7bgf7d0b04b5606dd4e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48EA85C9.1090606@mobile-print.com> Our previous contract was for 86,000 copies @ $5676.00, paid upfront (0.066 per click regardless of sheet size). There was no monthly minimum, and so no overages charge. We non longer want to pay a big charge upfront, so we want a contract that we pay monthly rather than annually. I can understand the click charge going up slightly (about 4.5%) but the higher overages has me surprised. I called KM & the guy told me it's normal for them to charge overs at 11% higher than regular clicks. >> It's time for a new maintenance contract from Konica-Minolta on our C500. >> They want 0.069 for the first 10,000 (minimum), but then go up to 0.076 for overages. > Is this customary - charging more for overs rather than less? >> >> > > I've never heard of overs being charged at a higher rate. What is your > current contract click rate? > > > > > > -- Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! ++++++++ From jacemeister at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 17:56:26 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Mon Oct 6 17:56:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] C500 overage charges In-Reply-To: <48EA85C9.1090606@mobile-print.com> References: <48EA7972.8030609@mobile-print.com> <98f5b19a0810061404q72de4b7bgf7d0b04b5606dd4e@mail.gmail.com> <48EA85C9.1090606@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: When we bought our C500 our volume was low so we didn't want to agree to a high monthly minimum. We worked out a deal that was fair to me and my vendor. We agreed to pay .055 if we ran under 5000 copies in any given month. If we ran between 5000 and 10000 clicks we paid .05 per click, and if we reached 15000 copies we paid .0469. So your agreement is upside down in that your vendor punishes you for giving him more work! We're averaging over 50000 copies a month but would do a LOT more if the machine performed the way it should. The service department with our local dealer leaves much to be desired. I'm trying to negotiate on a better machine, possibly a K/M 6501 or Xerox 700 but the dealers are far away and I'm concerned about not getting prompt service. I already know the only local dealer would give mediocre service at best, so I'm in a tough spot. Good luck to you. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Russ Peters wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Our previous contract was for 86,000 copies @ $5676.00, paid upfront (0.066 > per click regardless of sheet size). There was no monthly minimum, and so no > overages charge. We non longer want to pay a big charge upfront, so we want > a contract that we pay monthly rather than annually. > > I can understand the click charge going up slightly (about 4.5%) but the > higher overages has me surprised. I called KM & the guy told me it's normal > for them to charge overs at 11% higher than regular clicks. > > > > It's time for a new maintenance contract from Konica-Minolta on our C500. >>> They want 0.069 for the first 10,000 (minimum), but then go up to 0.076 >>> for overages. > Is this customary - charging more for overs rather than >>> less? >>> >>> >>> >> >> I've never heard of overs being charged at a higher rate. What is your >> current contract click rate? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Russ Peters > MOBILE PRINT, INC. > 201 W. Central Road > Mount Prospect, IL 60056 > Phone: 847.398.6155 > Fax: 847.398.0788 > E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com > W. www.Mobile-Print.com > > P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or > business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated > printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to > treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals > are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a > secret! > ++++++++ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon Oct 6 18:27:03 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon Oct 6 18:29:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] C500 overage charges In-Reply-To: <48EA85C9.1090606@mobile-print.com> References: <48EA7972.8030609@mobile-print.com> <98f5b19a0810061404q72de4b7bgf7d0b04b5606dd4e@mail.gmail.com> <48EA85C9.1090606@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <200810062229.m96MTYnK042856@i2bnetworks.com> I have never heard such nonsense. The higher click charge for lower quantity is supposed to cover the fixed costs of personnel showing up, just like an offset press run, you should be discounted at higher run lengths since theoretically you should be producing a larger mean click quantity between calls, hence the lower rate. You're getting jacked around Russ. Sounds like he's makin' it up as he goes. Maybe this guy's boss should be involved here. S. At 02:40 PM 10/6/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Our previous contract was for 86,000 copies @ $5676.00, paid upfront >(0.066 per click regardless of sheet size). There was no monthly >minimum, and so no overages charge. We non longer want to pay a big >charge upfront, so we want a contract that we pay monthly rather than annually. > >I can understand the click charge going up slightly (about 4.5%) but >the higher overages has me surprised. I called KM & the guy told me >it's normal for them to charge overs at 11% higher than regular clicks. > > > >>>It's time for a new maintenance contract from Konica-Minolta on our C500. >>>They want 0.069 for the first 10,000 (minimum), but then go up to >>>0.076 for overages. > Is this customary - charging more for overs >>>rather than less? >>> >>> >> >>I've never heard of overs being charged at a higher rate. What is your >>current contract click rate? >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >-- >Russ Peters >MOBILE PRINT, INC. >201 W. Central Road >Mount Prospect, IL 60056 >Phone: 847.398.6155 >Fax: 847.398.0788 >E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com >W. www.Mobile-Print.com > >P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a >friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design >and associated printing related products and services, please >contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest >level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that >we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! >++++++++ > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3497 (20081006) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Mon Oct 6 18:30:44 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Mon Oct 6 18:32:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] C500 overage charges In-Reply-To: <48EA7972.8030609@mobile-print.com> References: <48EA7972.8030609@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: I've had the IKON CPP500 for over 3 years. Initial maintenance was .05/click color and .015 B&W with 2,000 clicks/month minimum. Just renewed for another year at same rate. They wanted to go up 10% but I told them I'd get a different machine if they did that. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Russ Peters Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 3:48 PM To: PrintOwners Subject: [PrintOwners] C500 overage charges ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** It's time for a new maintenance contract from Konica-Minolta on our C500. They want 0.069 for the first 10,000 (minimum), but then go up to 0.076 for overages. Is this customary - charging more for overs rather than less? Our previous contract was for a set quantity over the year, paid upfront, so there was no overage calculations. -- Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! ++++++++ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon Oct 6 18:44:19 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Mon Oct 6 18:44:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] C500 overage charges In-Reply-To: <200810062229.m96MTYnK042856@i2bnetworks.com> References: <48EA7972.8030609@mobile-print.com><98f5b19a0810061404q72de4b7bgf7d0b04b5606dd4e@mail.gmail.com><48EA85C9.1090606@mobile-print.com> <200810062229.m96MTYnK042856@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <01b501c92805$120a1d10$6401a8c0@coranew> When I had my CLC1000, IKON charged me more for overages and I thought it was ridiculous also. I told them that it kept me from trying to sell more if I was going to have to pay more. I never did understand it. On my OCE, I don't have any minimum and it is .03 for 8.5x11 and .05 for 11x17 Color and .005 for 8.5x11 and .01 for 11x17 black and white. This set up is finally letting me make some money Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 201-1345 Fax cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 5:27 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] C500 overage charges ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have never heard such nonsense. The higher click charge for lower quantity is supposed to cover the fixed costs of personnel showing up, just like an offset press run, you should be discounted at higher run lengths since theoretically you should be producing a larger mean click quantity between calls, hence the lower rate. You're getting jacked around Russ. Sounds like he's makin' it up as he goes. Maybe this guy's boss should be involved here. S. At 02:40 PM 10/6/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Our previous contract was for 86,000 copies @ $5676.00, paid upfront >(0.066 per click regardless of sheet size). There was no monthly >minimum, and so no overages charge. We non longer want to pay a big >charge upfront, so we want a contract that we pay monthly rather than annually. > >I can understand the click charge going up slightly (about 4.5%) but >the higher overages has me surprised. I called KM & the guy told me >it's normal for them to charge overs at 11% higher than regular clicks. > > > >>>It's time for a new maintenance contract from Konica-Minolta on our C500. >>>They want 0.069 for the first 10,000 (minimum), but then go up to >>>0.076 for overages. > Is this customary - charging more for overs >>>rather than less? >>> >>> >> >>I've never heard of overs being charged at a higher rate. What is your >>current contract click rate? >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >-- >Russ Peters >MOBILE PRINT, INC. >201 W. Central Road >Mount Prospect, IL 60056 >Phone: 847.398.6155 >Fax: 847.398.0788 >E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com >W. www.Mobile-Print.com > >P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a >friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design >and associated printing related products and services, please >contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest >level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that >we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! >++++++++ > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3497 (20081006) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3497 (20081006) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From robmeier at instyprints.net Mon Oct 6 19:09:12 2008 From: robmeier at instyprints.net (Rob Meier) Date: Mon Oct 6 19:09:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Keeping up with Paper Prices In-Reply-To: <7DCFBE2540F3480D969242240DFCA0B0@MitchDell> References: <7DCFBE2540F3480D969242240DFCA0B0@MitchDell> Message-ID: <48EA9A98.2080906@instyprints.net> I feel your pain, This how I do it every week. I have an Excel spread sheet with the majority of my stock papers sorted in to separate sheets mostly by paper type (bond, offset, gloss...). The columns are just Date, Size, Vendor, Price/M, and Comments. As I go through my invoices to catch them not giving discounts, I also enter the new price into the next row on the appropriate sheet. I can see at a glance if the price changed from last time and allows me to track which vendor charges more and who makes more mistakes. If a price goes up and it's not obviously a mistake I check it out with the vendor. If it's indeed an increase, I just make the change. It also lets them know that I'm watching! One comment about multiple vendors. I am a big fan because you can play them against each other. When I notice the price of 20# white creeping up every six weeks, I will sometimes get a pallet (or what ever) from another vendor just so the sales person will see it and ask. "Sorry, they were less". Ever here that from your clients? I get some pretty good, consistent discounts from the two that I use. Good luck, Rob Mitch Eaton wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Is anyone else finding it challenging keeping paper prices updated in their > print management systems? > > XpedX is our primary paper vendor. We used to have a pretty good choice > between 5 different distributors (XpedX, Unisource, and 3 pretty good > independents). Two of the independents have resorted to specialization. I > haven't ordered anything from Unisource for 3 years for a variety of > reasons. My choice is between XpedX and the remaining independent. XpedX has > the best service, availability, and when I have the opportunity to compare > prices, they are pretty much in line with other vendors. > > We have a few of our preferred paper lines loaded in PrintSmith. It seems > like all we get done doing anymore is updating paper prices. Every time we > turn around something's changed. > > I don't think I've seen paper go up as much as I have in the last year. > Keeping up is becoming a full time job! > > If you haven't updated your MIS with current paper prices, especially if you > haven't in the last year or so, you might want to take a quick look and see > what's been going on lately. I'm pretty sure you'll find many of your papers > have gone up by some pretty amazing numbers. > > Mitch Eaton > The Printing Station > 1420 Locust Street > Des Moines, IA 50309 > 515-243-8144 > 866-866-7414 > Fax 515-243-6540 > mitch.eaton@printingstation.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > -- _____________________________ Rob Meier Insty-Prints 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-1959 From gamble at choiceonemail.com Mon Oct 6 19:43:50 2008 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Mon Oct 6 19:43:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Click Charges In-Reply-To: References: <48EA7972.8030609@mobile-print.com><98f5b19a0810061404q72de4b7bgf7d0b04b5606dd4e@mail.gmail.com><48EA85C9.1090606@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: Gawd I hate to bring this up but I am looking at a new KM C203 color copier for my offices use. 11 x 17 is 2 clicks at .080 each (or .16 for 11 x 17) and B/W is .010 per click for 8.5 x 11 in reading the thread here I feel like I am getting the short end of the stick here. Can anybody share there click costs on the following machines: KM500 - b/w KM C203 - color I thank you in advance Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jace Prejean Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 5:56 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] C500 overage charges ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** When we bought our C500 our volume was low so we didn't want to agree to a high monthly minimum. We worked out a deal that was fair to me and my vendor. We agreed to pay .055 if we ran under 5000 copies in any given month. If we ran between 5000 and 10000 clicks we paid .05 per click, and if we reached 15000 copies we paid .0469. So your agreement is upside down in that your vendor punishes you for giving him more work! We're averaging over 50000 copies a month but would do a LOT more if the machine performed the way it should. The service department with our local dealer leaves much to be desired. I'm trying to negotiate on a better machine, possibly a K/M 6501 or Xerox 700 but the dealers are far away and I'm concerned about not getting prompt service. I already know the only local dealer would give mediocre service at best, so I'm in a tough spot. Good luck to you. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Russ Peters wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Our previous contract was for 86,000 copies @ $5676.00, paid upfront (0.066 > per click regardless of sheet size). There was no monthly minimum, and so no > overages charge. We non longer want to pay a big charge upfront, so we want > a contract that we pay monthly rather than annually. > > I can understand the click charge going up slightly (about 4.5%) but the > higher overages has me surprised. I called KM & the guy told me it's normal > for them to charge overs at 11% higher than regular clicks. > > > > It's time for a new maintenance contract from Konica-Minolta on our C500. >>> They want 0.069 for the first 10,000 (minimum), but then go up to 0.076 >>> for overages. > Is this customary - charging more for overs rather than >>> less? >>> >>> >>> >> >> I've never heard of overs being charged at a higher rate. What is your >> current contract click rate? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Russ Peters > MOBILE PRINT, INC. > 201 W. Central Road > Mount Prospect, IL 60056 > Phone: 847.398.6155 > Fax: 847.398.0788 > E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com > W. www.Mobile-Print.com > > P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or > business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated > printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to > treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals > are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a > secret! > ++++++++ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon Oct 6 19:58:26 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon Oct 6 19:58:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Click Charges Message-ID: In a message dated 10/6/2008 7:45:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gamble@choiceonemail.com writes: Gawd I hate to bring this up but I am looking at a new KM C203 color copier for my offices use. 11 x 17 is 2 clicks at .080 each (or .16 for 11 x 17) and B/W is .010 per click for 8.5 x 11 in reading the thread here I feel like I am getting the short end of the stick here. Can anybody share there click costs on the following machines: FIRST, no one, absolutely no one in the printing industry should be paying more than one click per 11x17. The statistics supporting this statement are so overwhelming that we no longer be surveying clicks per 11x17 in future industry studies. SECOND, .08 cents per click charge is about the highest in the country.... the national average click charge is closer to .05 to .06 and these are facts you can take to the bank and your vendor. The only exception to the above would be for a printer who anticipates he will only be producing in the 500-1500 copies per month range or lower. If that is the case, then who cares, since you're not going to make much money nor is it going to cost you much either, at least in click charges. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From dominick at fmtc.com Mon Oct 6 21:24:28 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Mon Oct 6 20:22:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Click Charges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48EABA4C.6070702@fmtc.com> John, So true. Even in little ole Ontario Oregon, 60 miles from the service company, one click for 11 x 17, and 6 cents per click (a little high but worth it). And .0077 per click black. Good post, thanks, Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 10/6/2008 7:45:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > gamble@choiceonemail.com writes: > > Gawd I hate to bring this up but I am looking at a new KM C203 color copier > for my offices use. 11 x 17 is 2 clicks at .080 each (or .16 for 11 x 17) > and B/W is .010 per click for 8.5 x 11 in reading the thread here I feel > like I am getting the short end of the stick here. > > Can anybody share there click costs on the following machines: > > > > FIRST, no one, absolutely no one in the printing industry should be paying > more than one click per 11x17. The statistics supporting this statement are so > overwhelming that we no longer be surveying clicks per 11x17 in future > industry studies. > > SECOND, .08 cents per click charge is about the highest in the country.... > the national average click charge is closer to .05 to .06 and these are facts > you can take to the bank and your vendor. > > The only exception to the above would be for a printer who anticipates he > will only be producing in the 500-1500 copies per month range or lower. If that > is the case, then who cares, since you're not going to make much money nor is > it going to cost you much either, at least in click charges. > > > John Stewart > The Quick Consultant > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > 321-727-2442 > FAX 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > > Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > By Larry Hunt and myself. > > > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1711 - Release Date: 10/6/2008 5:37 PM > From rsmith at smithprintinginc.com Tue Oct 7 08:06:18 2008 From: rsmith at smithprintinginc.com (Randy Smith) Date: Tue Oct 7 07:51:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing a new digital press Message-ID: We are in negotiations for a new digital press. We should finalize this deal next week, and have the equipment on our floor within a month. I'm looking for suggestions on how to market this new digital equipment. I've thought about having an open house where we could invite customers, prospects, and suspects to see the equipment in operation. We're blowing new ground here and want to be smart in our marketing approach. What does your company do to market a new piece of equipment, like a digital press? Thanks in advance for your help, Randy Smith Smith Printing Company, Inc. P.O.Box 37 Leeds, AL 35094 Office: 205.699.2284 Fax: 205.699.8660 e-mail: rsmith@smithprintinginc.com From gamble at choiceonemail.com Tue Oct 7 07:59:23 2008 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Tue Oct 7 07:59:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Click Charges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: John, Joe and Steve, Thanks for your replies I am now armed and ready for my vendor this AM when he calls. Odd thing is he's less per click than the mighty IKON on this also..LOL Guess I know what I have to do. Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 7:58 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Click Charges ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 10/6/2008 7:45:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gamble@choiceonemail.com writes: Gawd I hate to bring this up but I am looking at a new KM C203 color copier for my offices use. 11 x 17 is 2 clicks at .080 each (or .16 for 11 x 17) and B/W is .010 per click for 8.5 x 11 in reading the thread here I feel like I am getting the short end of the stick here. Can anybody share there click costs on the following machines: FIRST, no one, absolutely no one in the printing industry should be paying more than one click per 11x17. The statistics supporting this statement are so overwhelming that we no longer be surveying clicks per 11x17 in future industry studies. SECOND, .08 cents per click charge is about the highest in the country.... the national average click charge is closer to .05 to .06 and these are facts you can take to the bank and your vendor. The only exception to the above would be for a printer who anticipates he will only be producing in the 500-1500 copies per month range or lower. If that is the case, then who cares, since you're not going to make much money nor is it going to cost you much either, at least in click charges. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From richard at weprintcary.com Tue Oct 7 09:25:45 2008 From: richard at weprintcary.com (Richard Cobb) Date: Tue Oct 7 08:29:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM6500 Color Consistency In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48EB6359.3010409@weprintcary.com> We've had the box since Jan 07, first one in our market and knew there would be a learning curve. Ours has the embedded Fiery. For most jobs, it is absolutely great. However, when we need to repeat a job and the color is somewhat critical, as an example pms blue 280, we cannot get back to the original color. After many service calls, we finally had a meeting with the top guys in the dealership where we bought it. GM, VP Service, service tech. Our normal daily routine is a color calibration first thing with the spectrophotometer. Same paper, same procedure. Then we would run 2 files to see how well that color was holding up. If not okay, then we would call service. At the meeting, we were informed that the machine was designed with a bunch of "user friendly" options so we could go in and make adjustments and "tweak" the color to get where we need to be. What we had to do was run the gamma and toner refresh then print out a "gray point" sheet to see where we were then adjust the cmyk values as needed to get the "gray point." Once that was completed, then do the calibration. Okay, fine, we'll do it. It added about 10 minutes to the daily routine. Problem is, we still can't get some colors back where they should be. Even using the color eye to scan and save the profile gets close but can't reproduce the same color as the original run. In Command Workstation, using Spot on color, the machine would print out the color swatch okay but would not print the same color when applied to the file. So now, our customers who really look at color consistency are asking us why their shades don't match previous runs. Is this a situation anyone else has encountered with their machine? Thanks. Richard Cobb Allegra Print & Imaging 1155 Kildaire Farm Road Cary, NC 27511 919-468-3334 fax 919-468-3880 The Future of Printing is Here Helping Businesses Find Ways to Enhance the VALUE of Their Print Communications! From mfoster at chilitech.net Tue Oct 7 08:48:28 2008 From: mfoster at chilitech.net (Michael Foster) Date: Tue Oct 7 08:48:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Keeping up with Paper Prices In-Reply-To: <48EA9A98.2080906@instyprints.net> Message-ID: It's hard believe that we are now paying $55 per thousand for premium Via envelopes and $20 per thousand for matching letterhead stock. Seems like only yesterday that the envelopes were $20 less! -- Michael Foster The Print Shoppe 421 Washington Blvd. Williamsport, PA 17701 570-327-9005 Fax 570-327-9149 www.theprintshoppe.com mfoster@chilitech.net > From: Rob Meier > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:09:12 -0500 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Keeping up with Paper Prices > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I feel your pain, > This how I do it every week. I have an Excel spread sheet with the > majority of my stock papers sorted in to separate sheets mostly by paper > type (bond, offset, gloss...). The columns are just Date, Size, Vendor, > Price/M, and Comments. As I go through my invoices to catch them not > giving discounts, I also enter the new price into the next row on the > appropriate sheet. I can see at a glance if the price changed from last > time and allows me to track which vendor charges more and who makes more > mistakes. If a price goes up and it's not obviously a mistake I check it > out with the vendor. If it's indeed an increase, I just make the change. > It also lets them know that I'm watching! > > One comment about multiple vendors. I am a big fan because you can play > them against each other. When I notice the price of 20# white creeping > up every six weeks, I will sometimes get a pallet (or what ever) from > another vendor just so the sales person will see it and ask. "Sorry, > they were less". Ever here that from your clients? I get some pretty > good, consistent discounts from the two that I use. > > Good luck, > Rob > > > > Mitch Eaton wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Is anyone else finding it challenging keeping paper prices updated in their >> print management systems? >> >> XpedX is our primary paper vendor. We used to have a pretty good choice >> between 5 different distributors (XpedX, Unisource, and 3 pretty good >> independents). Two of the independents have resorted to specialization. I >> haven't ordered anything from Unisource for 3 years for a variety of >> reasons. My choice is between XpedX and the remaining independent. XpedX has >> the best service, availability, and when I have the opportunity to compare >> prices, they are pretty much in line with other vendors. >> >> We have a few of our preferred paper lines loaded in PrintSmith. It seems >> like all we get done doing anymore is updating paper prices. Every time we >> turn around something's changed. >> >> I don't think I've seen paper go up as much as I have in the last year. >> Keeping up is becoming a full time job! >> >> If you haven't updated your MIS with current paper prices, especially if you >> haven't in the last year or so, you might want to take a quick look and see >> what's been going on lately. I'm pretty sure you'll find many of your papers >> have gone up by some pretty amazing numbers. >> >> Mitch Eaton >> The Printing Station >> 1420 Locust Street >> Des Moines, IA 50309 >> 515-243-8144 >> 866-866-7414 >> Fax 515-243-6540 >> mitch.eaton@printingstation.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> > > > -- > _____________________________ > > Rob Meier > > Insty-Prints > 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. > Eau Claire, WI 54701 > (715) 835-1959 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Oct 7 09:05:33 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Oct 7 09:08:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM6500 Color Consistency In-Reply-To: <48EB6359.3010409@weprintcary.com> References: <48EB6359.3010409@weprintcary.com> Message-ID: <200810071308.m97D84tO056311@i2bnetworks.com> No. Never. But then again we have the CREO DFE. My opinion is that you are asking too much of your internal RIP. Its also my opinion that the internal Fiery was never intended for professional color reproduction. IF you add a CREO your problems will disappear. S. At 06:25 AM 10/7/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We've had the box since Jan 07, first one in our market and knew >there would be a learning curve. Ours has the embedded Fiery. For >most jobs, it is absolutely great. However, when we need to repeat a >job and the color is somewhat critical, as an example pms blue 280, >we cannot get back to the original color. After many service calls, >we finally had a meeting with the top guys in the dealership where >we bought it. GM, VP Service, service tech. > >Our normal daily routine is a color calibration first thing with the >spectrophotometer. Same paper, same procedure. Then we would run 2 >files to see how well that color was holding up. If not okay, then >we would call service. > >At the meeting, we were informed that the machine was designed with >a bunch of "user friendly" options so we could go in and make >adjustments and "tweak" the color to get where we need to be. What >we had to do was run the gamma and toner refresh then print out a >"gray point" sheet to see where we were then adjust the cmyk values >as needed to get the "gray point." Once that was completed, then do >the calibration. > >Okay, fine, we'll do it. It added about 10 minutes to the daily >routine. Problem is, we still can't get some colors back where they >should be. Even using the color eye to scan and save the profile >gets close but can't reproduce the same color as the original run. >In Command Workstation, using Spot on color, the machine would print >out the color swatch okay but would not print the same color when >applied to the file. > >So now, our customers who really look at color consistency are >asking us why their shades don't match previous runs. > >Is this a situation anyone else has encountered with their machine? > >Thanks. > > >Richard Cobb >Allegra Print & Imaging >1155 Kildaire Farm Road >Cary, NC 27511 >919-468-3334 >fax 919-468-3880 > >The Future of Printing is Here > >Helping Businesses Find Ways to Enhance the VALUE of Their >Print Communications! > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3500 (20081007) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Tue Oct 7 09:21:35 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Tue Oct 7 09:21:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] underpayment of invoice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48EB625F.7080603@sugarloafprint.com> Send them a monthly statement showing a past due amount Mark Lake wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a customer that sent a PO (places this order about 4-5 times per > year) and they put a price on the PO. I sent the invoice upon delivery and > it was higher than the PO. They paid the PO amount. Now, I don't really > understand purchase orders and don't require them. I have 5 companies that > use PO's, but 1 doesn't fill in a price, 1 says if the price is different to > notify them immediately, 1 calls for a price before issuing the PO and 1 > tells me to bill for the correct amount, no matter what the PO says. It just > so happens that the company in question ordered this job twice within a week > (I called to make sure it wasn't the same order twice by mistake) so they > have underpaid on 2 invoices. Each invoice was for $931 and their PO was for > $868, not a huge amount but enough to a small shop like mine. The purchasing > agent sent me an email questioning the difference and I replied exactly what > I said in the email, but they short paid the invoice. What would you do? > > Mark Lake > PIP Printing > 368 Jefferson Street > Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 > 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax > www.pipsturgeonbay.com > Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com > > To send a file to us, please use the link below > http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) > Database version: 5.09520 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From jacemeister at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 09:47:51 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Tue Oct 7 09:47:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] underpayment of invoice In-Reply-To: <48EB625F.7080603@sugarloafprint.com> References: <48EB625F.7080603@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: Some of my larger customers will only pay exactly what the PO was written for. If my invoice and the PO match I will be paid in about 2-3 weeks. If it does not match it will result in dozens of phone calls and six to nine months before we finally get paid. This is a communication process. Your customer does not dictate your price. We send these companies a quote or order receipt. They send us a PO. We do NOTHING without a PO, and we check the PO for accuracy before the order is printed. If there is a discrepency, that is the time to address it. Have them fix it and send you a PO with the correct amount. ONLY THEN should you print the order. I just did 60,000 full-color 2-part invoices for one of these companies on my C500 because I wasn't able to find a vendor to produce the job. My point is the customer does not care about the price as much as they care about good service. However, they do have a rigid system which they must follow precisely. Teach your staff to take care of potential problems in the beginning and doing business with that customer gets much easier. Good luck. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Ron Sardo wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Send them a monthly statement showing a past due amount > > Mark Lake wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I have a customer that sent a PO (places this order about 4-5 times per >> year) and they put a price on the PO. I sent the invoice upon delivery and >> it was higher than the PO. They paid the PO amount. Now, I don't really >> understand purchase orders and don't require them. I have 5 companies that >> use PO's, but 1 doesn't fill in a price, 1 says if the price is different >> to >> notify them immediately, 1 calls for a price before issuing the PO and 1 >> tells me to bill for the correct amount, no matter what the PO says. It >> just >> so happens that the company in question ordered this job twice within a >> week >> (I called to make sure it wasn't the same order twice by mistake) so they >> have underpaid on 2 invoices. Each invoice was for $931 and their PO was >> for >> $868, not a huge amount but enough to a small shop like mine. The >> purchasing >> agent sent me an email questioning the difference and I replied exactly >> what >> I said in the email, but they short paid the invoice. What would you do? >> Mark Lake >> PIP Printing >> 368 Jefferson Street >> Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 >> 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax >> www.pipsturgeonbay.com >> Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com >> >> To send a file to us, please use the link below >> http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 >> >> >> >> >> >> E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) >> Database version: 5.09520 >> http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Ron Sardo > Sugarloaf Print Shop > mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com > www.sugarloafprint.com > 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Tue Oct 7 09:53:37 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Tue Oct 7 09:54:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing a new digital press In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: While I think it is a good idea to have an open house to show off what you have, I personally don't think customers care whether you have a digital press or not. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Randy Smith Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 7:06 AM To: 'PrintOwners' Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing a new digital press ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are in negotiations for a new digital press. We should finalize this deal next week, and have the equipment on our floor within a month. I'm looking for suggestions on how to market this new digital equipment. I've thought about having an open house where we could invite customers, prospects, and suspects to see the equipment in operation. We're blowing new ground here and want to be smart in our marketing approach. What does your company do to market a new piece of equipment, like a digital press? Thanks in advance for your help, Randy Smith Smith Printing Company, Inc. P.O.Box 37 Leeds, AL 35094 Office: 205.699.2284 Fax: 205.699.8660 e-mail: rsmith@smithprintinginc.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Tue Oct 7 09:54:28 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Tue Oct 7 09:55:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM6500 Color Consistency In-Reply-To: <48EB6359.3010409@weprintcary.com> References: <48EB6359.3010409@weprintcary.com> Message-ID: <029f01c92884$380d4e40$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> You should be able to go into a screen under color management that allows you to change the curves to match a color. It works pretty well. Gord Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 Ph: 416 298 6996 Fax: 416 298 2771 www.xoxocyberprint.com gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com You can lick our envelopes but you can't beat our printing! -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Richard Cobb Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 9:26 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] KM6500 Color Consistency ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We've had the box since Jan 07, first one in our market and knew there would be a learning curve. Ours has the embedded Fiery. For most jobs, it is absolutely great. However, when we need to repeat a job and the color is somewhat critical, as an example pms blue 280, we cannot get back to the original color. After many service calls, we finally had a meeting with the top guys in the dealership where we bought it. GM, VP Service, service tech. Our normal daily routine is a color calibration first thing with the spectrophotometer. Same paper, same procedure. Then we would run 2 files to see how well that color was holding up. If not okay, then we would call service. At the meeting, we were informed that the machine was designed with a bunch of "user friendly" options so we could go in and make adjustments and "tweak" the color to get where we need to be. What we had to do was run the gamma and toner refresh then print out a "gray point" sheet to see where we were then adjust the cmyk values as needed to get the "gray point." Once that was completed, then do the calibration. Okay, fine, we'll do it. It added about 10 minutes to the daily routine. Problem is, we still can't get some colors back where they should be. Even using the color eye to scan and save the profile gets close but can't reproduce the same color as the original run. In Command Workstation, using Spot on color, the machine would print out the color swatch okay but would not print the same color when applied to the file. So now, our customers who really look at color consistency are asking us why their shades don't match previous runs. Is this a situation anyone else has encountered with their machine? Thanks. Richard Cobb Allegra Print & Imaging 1155 Kildaire Farm Road Cary, NC 27511 919-468-3334 fax 919-468-3880 The Future of Printing is Here Helping Businesses Find Ways to Enhance the VALUE of Their Print Communications! _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Tue Oct 7 10:06:07 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Tue Oct 7 10:06:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] underpayment of invoice In-Reply-To: References: <48EB625F.7080603@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: <48EB6CCF.3010105@sugarloafprint.com> Good Advice Jace I have one well known company that states on their PO if we bill for a different amount they will charge us $50 for the paper work Jace Prejean wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Some of my larger customers will only pay exactly what the PO was written > for. If my invoice and the PO match I will be paid in about 2-3 weeks. If it > does not match it will result in dozens of phone calls and six to nine > months before we finally get paid. This is a communication process. Your > customer does not dictate your price. > > We send these companies a quote or order receipt. They send us a PO. We do > NOTHING without a PO, and we check the PO for accuracy before the order is > printed. If there is a discrepency, that is the time to address it. Have > them fix it and send you a PO with the correct amount. ONLY THEN should you > print the order. > > I just did 60,000 full-color 2-part invoices for one of these companies on > my C500 because I wasn't able to find a vendor to produce the job. My point > is the customer does not care about the price as much as they care about > good service. However, they do have a rigid system which they must follow > precisely. > > Teach your staff to take care of potential problems in the beginning and > doing business with that customer gets much easier. > > Good luck. > > -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From tomk at kingprintingonline.com Tue Oct 7 10:14:13 2008 From: tomk at kingprintingonline.com (Tom King) Date: Tue Oct 7 10:14:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Envelopes on Color Laser Printer Message-ID: <000901c92886$f9cc6320$ed652960$@com> I know this has been discussed before, so forgive me... Is anybody doing full color envelopes on a color laser printer? If so, what machine? Any advice about doing it that way - good or bad? Any other alternatives? Thanks! Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From sgfinke at fuse.net Tue Oct 7 10:37:48 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Tue Oct 7 10:33:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] underpayment of invoice In-Reply-To: <48EB625F.7080603@sugarloafprint.com> References: <48EB625F.7080603@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: <2CD3B1B5-C5FB-46F3-BF36-62E19D9A3AF7@fuse.net> > If they send a PO with a price, that is the price that they are authorizing the billing agent to pay. If it's not your price, you need to get a new PO. Your client that pays a different amount from the PO is more flexible, but in my experience that is not the norm. The PO system is set up to make sure that the client's company doesn't pay things it's not supposed to, so the purchasing agent is just doing his/her job. You didn't say why the number was different, but if they changed the price arbitrarily you need to deal with that problem, too. I would do what Ron said and send them a statement for the past due amount, every month for as long as it takes to get it resolved, and follow up with phone calls to be sure you are on the same page. Then in the future make sure that the PO is for the correct amount and don't print until it is. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com > Mark Lake wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I have a customer that sent a PO (places this order about 4-5 >> times per >> year) and they put a price on the PO. I sent the invoice upon >> delivery and >> it was higher than the PO. They paid the PO amount. Now, I don't >> really >> understand purchase orders and don't require them. I have 5 >> companies that >> use PO's, but 1 doesn't fill in a price, 1 says if the price is >> different to >> notify them immediately, 1 calls for a price before issuing the PO >> and 1 >> tells me to bill for the correct amount, no matter what the PO >> says. It just >> so happens that the company in question ordered this job twice >> within a week >> (I called to make sure it wasn't the same order twice by mistake) >> so they >> have underpaid on 2 invoices. Each invoice was for $931 and their >> PO was for >> $868, not a huge amount but enough to a small shop like mine. The >> purchasing >> agent sent me an email questioning the difference and I replied >> exactly what >> I said in the email, but they short paid the invoice. What would >> you do? >> Mark Lake >> PIP Printing >> 368 Jefferson Street >> Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 >> 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax >> www.pipsturgeonbay.com >> Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com >> >> To send a file to us, please use the link below >> http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 >> >> >> >> >> >> E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) >> Database version: 5.09520 >> http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > > > -- > Ron Sardo > Sugarloaf Print Shop > mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com > www.sugarloafprint.com > 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From slb at inkspot.net Tue Oct 7 10:35:04 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Oct 7 10:35:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] best way to make a pdf? In-Reply-To: <029f01c92884$380d4e40$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> References: , <48EB6359.3010409@weprintcary.com>, <029f01c92884$380d4e40$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: <48EB3B58.14746.383FD81@slb.inkspot.net> We, of course, have the full version of Acrobat Pro, but I need to recommend something for a customer (attorney in solo practice, just starting out, trying to minimize expenses in the short term) to be able to make password-protected pdfs from Word. Any thoughts? TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From richard at weprintcary.com Tue Oct 7 11:35:08 2008 From: richard at weprintcary.com (Richard Cobb) Date: Tue Oct 7 10:39:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM6500 Color Consistency In-Reply-To: <029f01c92884$380d4e40$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> References: <48EB6359.3010409@weprintcary.com> <029f01c92884$380d4e40$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: <48EB81AC.7010905@weprintcary.com> Is that not the same as adjusting the cmyk values? Richard Cobb Allegra Print & Imaging 1155 Kildaire Farm Road Cary, NC 27511 919-468-3334 fax 919-468-3880 The Future of Printing is Here Helping Businesses Find Ways to Enhance the VALUE of Their Print Communications! Gordon Watt wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > You should be able to go into a screen under color management that allows > you to change the curves to match a color. It works pretty well. > > Gord Watt > Xoxo Cyberprint Inc > 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 > Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 > Ph: 416 298 6996 > Fax: 416 298 2771 > www.xoxocyberprint.com > gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com > > You can lick our envelopes but you can't beat our printing! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Richard Cobb > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 9:26 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] KM6500 Color Consistency > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We've had the box since Jan 07, first one in our market and knew there > would be a learning curve. Ours has the embedded Fiery. For most jobs, > it is absolutely great. However, when we need to repeat a job and the > color is somewhat critical, as an example pms blue 280, we cannot get > back to the original color. After many service calls, we finally had a > meeting with the top guys in the dealership where we bought it. GM, VP > Service, service tech. > > Our normal daily routine is a color calibration first thing with the > spectrophotometer. Same paper, same procedure. Then we would run 2 files > to see how well that color was holding up. If not okay, then we would > call service. > > At the meeting, we were informed that the machine was designed with a > bunch of "user friendly" options so we could go in and make adjustments > and "tweak" the color to get where we need to be. What we had to do was > run the gamma and toner refresh then print out a "gray point" sheet to > see where we were then adjust the cmyk values as needed to get the "gray > point." Once that was completed, then do the calibration. > > Okay, fine, we'll do it. It added about 10 minutes to the daily routine. > Problem is, we still can't get some colors back where they should be. > Even using the color eye to scan and save the profile gets close but > can't reproduce the same color as the original run. In Command > Workstation, using Spot on color, the machine would print out the color > swatch okay but would not print the same color when applied to the file. > > So now, our customers who really look at color consistency are asking us > why their shades don't match previous runs. > > Is this a situation anyone else has encountered with their machine? > > Thanks. > > > Richard Cobb > Allegra Print & Imaging > 1155 Kildaire Farm Road > Cary, NC 27511 > 919-468-3334 > fax 919-468-3880 > > The Future of Printing is Here > > Helping Businesses Find Ways to Enhance the VALUE of Their > Print Communications! > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From char at themasterspress.com Tue Oct 7 10:41:40 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue Oct 7 10:41:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing a new digital press In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5ACFC9856E69424B97378AFAA69DB41C@CharXP> When I had my open house we had people at every station in the shop with the machines running. We had samples of some of the work done by the customers. They loved it. They loved seeing the machines and how they worked and they loved seeing some of their jobs on display. Maybe everyone did not want to see the machine but my people stayed very busy showing and telling a very continuous flow of people. It gives them a connection with you and what you are doing and helps them to understand a little more. I think it is a great idea. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lake Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 8:54 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Marketing a new digital press ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** While I think it is a good idea to have an open house to show off what you have, I personally don't think customers care whether you have a digital press or not. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Randy Smith Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 7:06 AM To: 'PrintOwners' Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing a new digital press ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are in negotiations for a new digital press. We should finalize this deal next week, and have the equipment on our floor within a month. I'm looking for suggestions on how to market this new digital equipment. I've thought about having an open house where we could invite customers, prospects, and suspects to see the equipment in operation. We're blowing new ground here and want to be smart in our marketing approach. What does your company do to market a new piece of equipment, like a digital press? Thanks in advance for your help, Randy Smith Smith Printing Company, Inc. P.O.Box 37 Leeds, AL 35094 Office: 205.699.2284 Fax: 205.699.8660 e-mail: rsmith@smithprintinginc.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3500 (20081007) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3500 (20081007) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 10:41:08 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Oct 7 10:42:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing a new digital press In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0810070741j74dbb563q647e445793115731@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Randy Smith wrote: > I've > thought about having an open house where we could invite customers, > prospects, and suspects to see the equipment in operation. > What does your company do to market a new piece of equipment, like a digital > press? Bear in mind if you do that, that the focus needs to be, not on the equipment's dazzling features, but on what your new capability will do for them. So think in terms of how you might demonstrate what will change for *them*, or at least how to get their minds thinking in that direction -- how they could use your new capabilities. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From info at aeroprinting.com Tue Oct 7 10:45:45 2008 From: info at aeroprinting.com (Carl Core) Date: Tue Oct 7 10:45:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Envelopes on Color Laser Printer References: <000901c92886$f9cc6320$ed652960$@com> Message-ID: Tom: We feed envelopes thru the Xerox 240. We have a different fuser we have readjusted with less pressure and run flap open and bottom edge feed. Generally just for 500-1000 qtys. We have very successful results. Carl Core Aero Printing, Inc. 710 Elida Ave Delphos, OH 45833 Ph. 419-695-2931 Fax 419-695-9930 info@aeroprinting.com www.aeroprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom King" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:14 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Envelopes on Color Laser Printer > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I know this has been discussed before, so forgive me... > Is anybody doing full color envelopes on a color laser printer? If so, > what > machine? Any advice about doing it that way - good or bad? > Any other alternatives? > > Thanks! > > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From char at themasterspress.com Tue Oct 7 10:46:40 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue Oct 7 10:46:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM6500 Color Consistency In-Reply-To: <48EB6359.3010409@weprintcary.com> References: <48EB6359.3010409@weprintcary.com> Message-ID: <6B06596ED3E64A80803D69E0B82AC88A@CharXP> Richard we have to tweak a lot to get the colors back and forth to hold that consistency. We have a C500 with a Fiery but one of the reasons we paid more for the rip and the graphics arts package was to be able to tweak the colors to adjust. I do not think you will ever get that consistency with a internal rip. It is difficult with and external and all the extras. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Richard Cobb Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 8:26 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] KM6500 Color Consistency ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We've had the box since Jan 07, first one in our market and knew there would be a learning curve. Ours has the embedded Fiery. For most jobs, it is absolutely great. However, when we need to repeat a job and the color is somewhat critical, as an example pms blue 280, we cannot get back to the original color. After many service calls, we finally had a meeting with the top guys in the dealership where we bought it. GM, VP Service, service tech. Our normal daily routine is a color calibration first thing with the spectrophotometer. Same paper, same procedure. Then we would run 2 files to see how well that color was holding up. If not okay, then we would call service. At the meeting, we were informed that the machine was designed with a bunch of "user friendly" options so we could go in and make adjustments and "tweak" the color to get where we need to be. What we had to do was run the gamma and toner refresh then print out a "gray point" sheet to see where we were then adjust the cmyk values as needed to get the "gray point." Once that was completed, then do the calibration. Okay, fine, we'll do it. It added about 10 minutes to the daily routine. Problem is, we still can't get some colors back where they should be. Even using the color eye to scan and save the profile gets close but can't reproduce the same color as the original run. In Command Workstation, using Spot on color, the machine would print out the color swatch okay but would not print the same color when applied to the file. So now, our customers who really look at color consistency are asking us why their shades don't match previous runs. Is this a situation anyone else has encountered with their machine? Thanks. Richard Cobb Allegra Print & Imaging 1155 Kildaire Farm Road Cary, NC 27511 919-468-3334 fax 919-468-3880 The Future of Printing is Here Helping Businesses Find Ways to Enhance the VALUE of Their Print Communications! _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3500 (20081007) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3500 (20081007) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From xeroid at kos.net Tue Oct 7 11:00:13 2008 From: xeroid at kos.net (Wayne) Date: Tue Oct 7 11:00:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Envelopes on Color Laser Printer References: <000901c92886$f9cc6320$ed652960$@com> Message-ID: <000a01c9288d$675bd0a0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> Would this pose a problem when your customer runs these through their laser printer to apply the address on the envelope. Re Heating the baked on toner ( their logo that you printed ) can cause repeated images and ruin their laser printer ??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Core" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Full Color Envelopes on Color Laser Printer > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Tom: > > We feed envelopes thru the Xerox 240. We have a different fuser we have > readjusted with less pressure and run flap open and bottom edge feed. > Generally just for 500-1000 qtys. We have very successful results. > > Carl Core > Aero Printing, Inc. > 710 Elida Ave > Delphos, OH 45833 > Ph. 419-695-2931 > Fax 419-695-9930 > info@aeroprinting.com > www.aeroprinting.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom King" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:14 AM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Envelopes on Color Laser Printer > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I know this has been discussed before, so forgive me... >> Is anybody doing full color envelopes on a color laser printer? If so, >> what >> machine? Any advice about doing it that way - good or bad? >> Any other alternatives? >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> Tom King >> King Printing >> 1305 W. College Ave. >> State College, PA 16801 >> Phone: 814-238-2536 >> Fax: 814-237-5238 >> Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 11:06:19 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Oct 7 11:06:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM6500 Color Consistency In-Reply-To: <6B06596ED3E64A80803D69E0B82AC88A@CharXP> References: <48EB6359.3010409@weprintcary.com> <6B06596ED3E64A80803D69E0B82AC88A@CharXP> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0810070806p5a9ad8aasd6722edf36a3c9f3@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Charlene Sims wrote: > > Richard we have to tweak a lot to get the colors back and forth to hold that > consistency. We have a C500 with a Fiery but one of the reasons we paid > more for the rip and the graphics arts package was to be able to tweak the > colors to adjust. We have a C500 with a Creo, and we also, in addition to frequent calibration, have to do constant tweaking to get both to the desired color as well as to maintain color consistency. I've wondered if those quality and time-consumption issues would go away with a Creo/6500. Scott -- how does your experience with this combination compare to the experience you had with the Creo/C500? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From jacemeister at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 11:10:17 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Tue Oct 7 11:10:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] underpayment of invoice In-Reply-To: <2CD3B1B5-C5FB-46F3-BF36-62E19D9A3AF7@fuse.net> References: <48EB625F.7080603@sugarloafprint.com> <2CD3B1B5-C5FB-46F3-BF36-62E19D9A3AF7@fuse.net> Message-ID: > > You didn't say why the number was different, but if they changed the price > arbitrarily you need to deal with that problem, too. I would do what Ron > said and send them a statement for the past due amount, every month for as > long as it takes to get it resolved, and follow up with phone calls to be > sure you are on the same page. Then in the future make sure that the PO is > for the correct amount and don't print until it is. > > Gail Finke > That's a trick purchasers are taught, Gail. Many are trained to put the last price on the PO, and there are a LOT of printers who will go along with it rather than taking a chance the customer will rebid the job or take it elsewhere if you increase your price. It is suicide if you go along with it because it could lead to the "Lifetime Pricing" concept John Stewart wrote about in his column years ago. Before you know it, 10 years will go by and you'll still be letting that customer dictate your prices! -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com From info at aeroprinting.com Tue Oct 7 11:14:15 2008 From: info at aeroprinting.com (Carl Core) Date: Tue Oct 7 11:14:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Envelopes on Color Laser Printer References: <000901c92886$f9cc6320$ed652960$@com> <000a01c9288d$675bd0a0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> Message-ID: <56177D697DFA403A98A01B99281DE12E@aero> Wayne: I suppose it could if it weren't tested first. We have had no issues with this machine's ink and customer useage. We have printed lots of letterheads also and to date (3 yrs) have had no problems. Carl Core Aero Printing, Inc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Full Color Envelopes on Color Laser Printer > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Would this pose a problem when your customer runs these through their > laser printer to apply the address on the envelope. Re Heating the baked > on toner ( their logo that you printed ) can cause repeated images and > ruin their laser printer ??? > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Core" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Full Color Envelopes on Color Laser Printer > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Tom: >> >> We feed envelopes thru the Xerox 240. We have a different fuser we have >> readjusted with less pressure and run flap open and bottom edge feed. >> Generally just for 500-1000 qtys. We have very successful results. >> >> Carl Core >> Aero Printing, Inc. >> 710 Elida Ave >> Delphos, OH 45833 >> Ph. 419-695-2931 >> Fax 419-695-9930 >> info@aeroprinting.com >> www.aeroprinting.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tom King" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:14 AM >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Envelopes on Color Laser Printer >> >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> I know this has been discussed before, so forgive me... >>> Is anybody doing full color envelopes on a color laser printer? If so, >>> what >>> machine? Any advice about doing it that way - good or bad? >>> Any other alternatives? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> >>> Tom King >>> King Printing >>> 1305 W. College Ave. >>> State College, PA 16801 >>> Phone: 814-238-2536 >>> Fax: 814-237-5238 >>> Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Tue Oct 7 11:17:00 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Tue Oct 7 11:18:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] underpayment of invoice In-Reply-To: <2CD3B1B5-C5FB-46F3-BF36-62E19D9A3AF7@fuse.net> References: <48EB625F.7080603@sugarloafprint.com> <2CD3B1B5-C5FB-46F3-BF36-62E19D9A3AF7@fuse.net> Message-ID: Thanks Ron, Jace and Gail for responding. We'll make sure we have matching numbers before we go ahead from now on, even if it doesn't matter to the customer. BTW, the cost went up because the cost of paper did. We print some pretty large orders on white 60# 11x17 offset so my sales rep did not increase the cost of that stock during the last couple increases because we order it in full skids. This time though we got a larger than normal increase in paper price. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott and Gail Finke Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 9:38 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] underpayment of invoice ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > If they send a PO with a price, that is the price that they are authorizing the billing agent to pay. If it's not your price, you need to get a new PO. Your client that pays a different amount from the PO is more flexible, but in my experience that is not the norm. The PO system is set up to make sure that the client's company doesn't pay things it's not supposed to, so the purchasing agent is just doing his/her job. You didn't say why the number was different, but if they changed the price arbitrarily you need to deal with that problem, too. I would do what Ron said and send them a statement for the past due amount, every month for as long as it takes to get it resolved, and follow up with phone calls to be sure you are on the same page. Then in the future make sure that the PO is for the correct amount and don't print until it is. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com > Mark Lake wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I have a customer that sent a PO (places this order about 4-5 times >> per >> year) and they put a price on the PO. I sent the invoice upon >> delivery and it was higher than the PO. They paid the PO amount. Now, >> I don't really understand purchase orders and don't require them. I >> have 5 companies that use PO's, but 1 doesn't fill in a price, 1 says >> if the price is different to notify them immediately, 1 calls for a >> price before issuing the PO and 1 tells me to bill for the correct >> amount, no matter what the PO says. It just so happens that the >> company in question ordered this job twice within a week (I called to >> make sure it wasn't the same order twice by mistake) so they have >> underpaid on 2 invoices. Each invoice was for $931 and their PO was >> for $868, not a huge amount but enough to a small shop like mine. The >> purchasing agent sent me an email questioning the difference and I >> replied exactly what I said in the email, but they short paid the >> invoice. What would you do? >> Mark Lake >> PIP Printing >> 368 Jefferson Street >> Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 >> 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax >> www.pipsturgeonbay.com >> Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com >> >> To send a file to us, please use the link below >> http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 >> >> >> >> >> >> E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) >> Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > > > -- > Ron Sardo > Sugarloaf Print Shop > mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com > www.sugarloafprint.com > 570-788-5099 . Fax: 570-788-6077 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Oct 7 11:18:10 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Oct 7 11:18:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] underpayment of invoice Message-ID: In a message dated 10/7/2008 11:11:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jacemeister@gmail.com writes: It is suicide if you go along with it because it could lead to the "Lifetime Pricing" concept John Stewart wrote about in his column years ago. God, I remember that client as if it was yesterday. We were going through his pricing strategy and I turned to his brother who did the pricing and asked, "How do you know what to charge this customer for this job." His answer, "Well, whatever we charged him last time." I asked him what did he know what to charge the customer that last time, and he responded with, "Well, once again, whatever we charged him the time before." I must have looked a bit pale at that point and said then, "essentially what you are telling me is that you sort of offer 'lifetime pricing' to your clients... someone who purchased the same thing eight years ago is paying exactly the same price today?" "Yup," he answered. 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(http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Oct 7 11:38:51 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Oct 7 11:41:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM6500 Color Consistency In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0810070806p5a9ad8aasd6722edf36a3c9f3@mail.gmail.co m> References: <48EB6359.3010409@weprintcary.com> <6B06596ED3E64A80803D69E0B82AC88A@CharXP> <98f5b19a0810070806p5a9ad8aasd6722edf36a3c9f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810071541.m97FfNGb084969@i2bnetworks.com> Yes, definitely. The C500 was a great starter machine for us to enter the digital arena, but the business grew so fast that eventually at 100,000+ clicks a month it was starting to show some strain. After adding the 6500 it took us to the next level. We have made full use of the Pantone Libraries in the CREO (both in the 301 and the 304) so that once we configure a Pantone color (most are very accurate right out of the gate) we save it and never again have to deal with color variation. Logo colors on BCs are the same today as they will be 6 months from now...because of the CREO. Calibration requirements are much less with the 6500/304 than with the C500/301, and color consistency over a long run on the 6500 is not an issue, the C500 takes a little more care and requires a calibration say every 2500 sheets or so because it does drift a little bit. The 6500 can run until the large capcacity stacker is full (many times overnight) and the color is perfect from top sheet to bottom. But it all depends on your Delta E tolerance. Corporate marketing work has more stringent requirements than color flyers for the street fair this weekend. So for long runs the 6500 is a much better solution. I would never suggest anyone enter the color print for pay market with an internal RIP because people like me will eat your lunch. I would suggest that if you find the C500 is holding you back in any way, that you consider investing in the 6500 or the new 6501, it will take you to the next level, and keep your C500 because having both gives you the additional safety of redundancy as well as an increased production capacity. The CREO's are very powerful but I believe are very underutilized because the training from KM is non-existent...you have to learn it on your own. I wonder how many that have CREO's are using the Virtual Printer capabilities? A tremendous workflow tool and save us more time than I can even begin to track...and is a large contributor to our high SPE. Its been a great combination for us, and a very profitable one as well. S. At 08:06 AM 10/7/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Charlene Sims > wrote: > > > > Richard we have to tweak a lot to get the colors back and forth > to hold that > > consistency. We have a C500 with a Fiery but one of the reasons we paid > > more for the rip and the graphics arts package was to be able to tweak the > > colors to adjust. > >We have a C500 with a Creo, and we also, in addition to frequent >calibration, have to do constant tweaking to get both to the desired >color as well as to maintain color consistency. I've wondered if those >quality and time-consumption issues would go away with a Creo/6500. >Scott -- how does your experience with this combination compare to the >experience you had with the Creo/C500? > > >-- >Michael Vogel >Sir Speedy Printing >9 Research Drive >Milford, CT 06460 >tel 203-877-1231 >fax 203-878-2679 >mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com >www.eSirSpeedy.com > >==================================== >Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to >criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Sir Francis Bacon >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3500 (20081007) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Oct 7 11:45:00 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Oct 7 11:45:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Envelopes on Color Laser Printer Message-ID: <6A31FB67-564D-4202-9C24-6494D95E44E6@protypeonline.com> Tom, we do short runs, 500 or less, on our canon 3220 all the time! And...if you are interested, the copier has very, very low miles on it and is available for sale or take over lease payments. We just open the flaps and send them through the bypass....any size at all. We printed some 8 x 8 inch sqaure envelopes for ourselves and had the graphic on the front bleed over to the back flap....pretty neat! :) robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From craig at newhavenprint.com Tue Oct 7 12:03:22 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Tue Oct 7 12:03:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM6500 Color Consistency In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0810070806p5a9ad8aasd6722edf36a3c9f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <48EB6359.3010409@weprintcary.com> <6B06596ED3E64A80803D69E0B82AC88A@CharXP> <98f5b19a0810070806p5a9ad8aasd6722edf36a3c9f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48EB884A.9000109@newhavenprint.com> This RIP/consistency question keeps getting thrown around and there's seems to be some confusion out there. The Rip has nothing to do with keeping the job consistent once the job starts running. That's the job of the color printer. Using an external rip does make it much easier to hit calibration, but once the job starts running, the rip assumes the color is great. Pretty much all color printers have trouble keeping the color perfectly consistent on a long run. The iGen3 measures color on the fly (off the belt) and adjusts the image when it thinks it necessary. The iGen4 actually uses an internal spectrophotometer on each sheet and makes adjustments during the run to maintain perfect color. I believe the new KM6501 has some kind of running color control also, I just haven't heard much about it. While I agree it's critical to use a good external rip in a production environment, the quality of the color printer, not the rip, is key to running consistent on long runs. Craig Dellinger President New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, Indiana USA Phone: 260.493.3844 Fax: 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Charlene Sims wrote: > >> Richard we have to tweak a lot to get the colors back and forth to hold that >> consistency. We have a C500 with a Fiery but one of the reasons we paid >> more for the rip and the graphics arts package was to be able to tweak the >> colors to adjust. >> > > We have a C500 with a Creo, and we also, in addition to frequent > calibration, have to do constant tweaking to get both to the desired > color as well as to maintain color consistency. I've wondered if those > quality and time-consumption issues would go away with a Creo/6500. > Scott -- how does your experience with this combination compare to the > experience you had with the Creo/C500? > > > From steve at toledoprinter.com Tue Oct 7 12:07:33 2008 From: steve at toledoprinter.com (West Printing) Date: Tue Oct 7 12:08:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] best way to make a pdf? In-Reply-To: <48EB3B58.14746.383FD81@slb.inkspot.net> References: , <48EB6359.3010409@weprintcary.com>, <029f01c92884$380d4e40$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> <48EB3B58.14746.383FD81@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <003901c92896$d30f23c0$792d6b40$@com> I suggest the free version of PrimoPdf. Download it at Primopdf.com Simple to use and works well when imposing (unlike MS publisher created pdfs). Primopdf installs a print driver just like Acrobat. The print dialog is so simple a caveman could do it. Steve Robison West Printing Co. 327 12th Street, Toledo, OH 43604 Ph. 419.246.0857, steve@toledoprinter.com? **************************************** http://www.ToledoPrinter.Com Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:35 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] best way to make a pdf? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We, of course, have the full version of Acrobat Pro, but I need > to > recommend something for a customer (attorney in solo practice, > just starting > out, trying to minimize expenses in the short term) to be able to > make > password-protected pdfs from Word. > > Any thoughts? > > TIA, > Steve > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Tue Oct 7 12:21:12 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Tue Oct 7 12:22:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Die Cut Table Tents Message-ID: I need 2000 table tents. Each side is 5 1/2 x 8 1/2 and then the die cut portion that is the base that gets interlocked. Blanks no longer has the die cut but rather a peel & stick base. Prefer the die cut. Anyone care to share a possible source? Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From inkyhand at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 12:26:12 2008 From: inkyhand at gmail.com (Ron Livingston) Date: Tue Oct 7 12:26:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Envelopes on Color Laser Printer In-Reply-To: <000901c92886$f9cc6320$ed652960$@com> References: <000901c92886$f9cc6320$ed652960$@com> Message-ID: <5c2107b30810070926s6c2c88e2s5febb3cdaa2b1f99@mail.gmail.com> We run full color envelopes through Xerox 7750 laser printer all the time. They are usually short runs, usually not more than 1M. We have run #10, 5 & 6 bar baronial, square, and an occasional booklet. We run the flaps closed on most of them. I don't think it is for any reason other than we started that way. All of our envelopes are run through the bypass tray.Ron On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Tom King wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I know this has been discussed before, so forgive me... > Is anybody doing full color envelopes on a color laser printer? If so, what > machine? Any advice about doing it that way - good or bad? > Any other alternatives? > > Thanks! > > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Ron Livingston Cornerstone Press 1228 Scyene, Suite 117 Mesquite, TX 75149 (972) 285-4670 From mark at cordesprinting.com Tue Oct 7 12:32:31 2008 From: mark at cordesprinting.com (Mark Cordes) Date: Tue Oct 7 12:28:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Die Cut Table Tents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48EB8F1F.3080007@cordesprinting.com> Mark -- any die-cutter can do these for you -- probably will run you more than when it was off-the-shelf. We do die cutting but I'm sure you have someone close by to you. Mark Mark Cordes Cordes Printing, Inc. 460 Braen Avenue Wyckoff, NJ 07481 201.652.7272 mark@cordesprinting.com www.cordesprinting.com Mark Lake wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I need 2000 table tents. Each side is 5 1/2 x 8 1/2 and then the die cut > portion that is the base that gets interlocked. Blanks no longer has the die > cut but rather a peel & stick base. Prefer the die cut. Anyone care to share > a possible source? > > Mark Lake > PIP Printing > 368 Jefferson Street > Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 > 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax > www.pipsturgeonbay.com > Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com > > To send a file to us, please use the link below > http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) > Database version: 5.09520 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Tue Oct 7 12:52:56 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Tue Oct 7 12:53:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM6500 Color Consistency In-Reply-To: <48EB81AC.7010905@weprintcary.com> References: <48EB6359.3010409@weprintcary.com><029f01c92884$380d4e40$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> <48EB81AC.7010905@weprintcary.com> Message-ID: <02c101c9289d$2641c1f0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Actually, I don't know. Could be. I just know it's pretty easy and you can save the profile. Gord Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 Ph: 416 298 6996 Fax: 416 298 2771 www.xoxocyberprint.com gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com You can lick our envelopes but you can't beat our printing! -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Richard Cobb Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:35 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] KM6500 Color Consistency ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Is that not the same as adjusting the cmyk values? Richard Cobb Allegra Print & Imaging 1155 Kildaire Farm Road Cary, NC 27511 919-468-3334 fax 919-468-3880 The Future of Printing is Here Helping Businesses Find Ways to Enhance the VALUE of Their Print Communications! Gordon Watt wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > You should be able to go into a screen under color management that allows > you to change the curves to match a color. It works pretty well. > > Gord Watt > Xoxo Cyberprint Inc > 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 > Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 > Ph: 416 298 6996 > Fax: 416 298 2771 > www.xoxocyberprint.com > gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com > > You can lick our envelopes but you can't beat our printing! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Richard Cobb > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 9:26 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] KM6500 Color Consistency > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We've had the box since Jan 07, first one in our market and knew there > would be a learning curve. Ours has the embedded Fiery. For most jobs, > it is absolutely great. However, when we need to repeat a job and the > color is somewhat critical, as an example pms blue 280, we cannot get > back to the original color. After many service calls, we finally had a > meeting with the top guys in the dealership where we bought it. GM, VP > Service, service tech. > > Our normal daily routine is a color calibration first thing with the > spectrophotometer. Same paper, same procedure. Then we would run 2 files > to see how well that color was holding up. If not okay, then we would > call service. > > At the meeting, we were informed that the machine was designed with a > bunch of "user friendly" options so we could go in and make adjustments > and "tweak" the color to get where we need to be. What we had to do was > run the gamma and toner refresh then print out a "gray point" sheet to > see where we were then adjust the cmyk values as needed to get the "gray > point." Once that was completed, then do the calibration. > > Okay, fine, we'll do it. It added about 10 minutes to the daily routine. > Problem is, we still can't get some colors back where they should be. > Even using the color eye to scan and save the profile gets close but > can't reproduce the same color as the original run. In Command > Workstation, using Spot on color, the machine would print out the color > swatch okay but would not print the same color when applied to the file. > > So now, our customers who really look at color consistency are asking us > why their shades don't match previous runs. > > Is this a situation anyone else has encountered with their machine? > > Thanks. > > > Richard Cobb > Allegra Print & Imaging > 1155 Kildaire Farm Road > Cary, NC 27511 > 919-468-3334 > fax 919-468-3880 > > The Future of Printing is Here > > Helping Businesses Find Ways to Enhance the VALUE of Their > Print Communications! > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From greg at pressexpress.org Tue Oct 7 13:05:23 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Tue Oct 7 13:05:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Die Cut Table Tents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark, try Graphic Finishing (GFS). They are down in Appleton and do an outstanding job. They do all my stamping, die cutting, etc. They just finished on some 9x12 pocket folders for me. Ask for Rick, he is the owner. 1-920-730-2900 He might even have a die standing but I think a simple knife rule is all it would take. He could probably score in the same process. Greg On Oct 7, 2008, at 11:21 AM, Mark Lake wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I need 2000 table tents. Each side is 5 1/2 x 8 1/2 and then the die > cut > portion that is the base that gets interlocked. Blanks no longer has > the die > cut but rather a peel & stick base. Prefer the die cut. Anyone care > to share > a possible source? > > Mark Lake > PIP Printing > 368 Jefferson Street > Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 > 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax > www.pipsturgeonbay.com > Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com > > To send a file to us, please use the link below > http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) > Database version: 5.09520 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Oct 7 13:20:29 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Oct 7 13:23:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM6500 Color Consistency In-Reply-To: <48EB884A.9000109@newhavenprint.com> References: <48EB6359.3010409@weprintcary.com> <6B06596ED3E64A80803D69E0B82AC88A@CharXP> <98f5b19a0810070806p5a9ad8aasd6722edf36a3c9f3@mail.gmail.com> <48EB884A.9000109@newhavenprint.com> Message-ID: <200810071723.m97HN0cZ008664@i2bnetworks.com> I would totally agree with Craig on this. If I said anything that could be could be construed as other than what Craig said, then I was unclear. The 6500 does stay on target over long runs, the C500 does not. The Igen is a much more reliable platform than anything in the KM box category, hence the difference in price. I would imagine the Igen would stay on target over multiple shifts or multiple days on mega projects. S. At 09:03 AM 10/7/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >This RIP/consistency question keeps getting thrown around and >there's seems to be some confusion out there. The Rip has nothing to >do with keeping the job consistent once the job starts running. >That's the job of the color printer. Using an external rip does make >it much easier to hit calibration, but once the job starts running, >the rip assumes the color is great. Pretty much all color printers >have trouble keeping the color perfectly consistent on a long run. >The iGen3 measures color on the fly (off the belt) and adjusts the >image when it thinks it necessary. The iGen4 actually uses an >internal spectrophotometer on each sheet and makes adjustments >during the run to maintain perfect color. I believe the new KM6501 >has some kind of running color control also, I just haven't heard >much about it. While I agree it's critical to use a good external >rip in a production environment, the quality of the color printer, >not the rip, is key to running consistent on long runs. > >Craig Dellinger >President >New Haven Print & Copy >7531 US 930 East >Fort Wayne, Indiana USA >Phone: 260.493.3844 >Fax: 260.493.3579 >www.newhavenprint.com > > > >Michael Vogel wrote: >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Charlene Sims >> wrote: >> >>>Richard we have to tweak a lot to get the colors back and forth to hold that >>>consistency. We have a C500 with a Fiery but one of the reasons we paid >>>more for the rip and the graphics arts package was to be able to tweak the >>>colors to adjust. >>> >> >>We have a C500 with a Creo, and we also, in addition to frequent >>calibration, have to do constant tweaking to get both to the desired >>color as well as to maintain color consistency. I've wondered if those >>quality and time-consumption issues would go away with a Creo/6500. >>Scott -- how does your experience with this combination compare to the >>experience you had with the Creo/C500? >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3501 (20081007) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 13:39:30 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue Oct 7 13:39:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM6500 Color Consistency In-Reply-To: <48EB884A.9000109@newhavenprint.com> References: <48EB6359.3010409@weprintcary.com> <6B06596ED3E64A80803D69E0B82AC88A@CharXP> <98f5b19a0810070806p5a9ad8aasd6722edf36a3c9f3@mail.gmail.com> <48EB884A.9000109@newhavenprint.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620810071039h3b725229y3bf19c15e191fc8a@mail.gmail.com> Craig is absolutely correct - a rip cannot affect the color of a job once it has been submitted to the copier. So there are really two separate but related facets to consistent color. There is sheet-to-sheet color consistency within a single job which is controlled entirely by the copier and there is job to job color consistency which is affected by both the copier & the rip. We have a C500 with the Creo rip (Ikon version) and we've been less than impressed with color consistency both within the same job and from job to job. I've seen the color float around in jobs as few as 500 sheets. Since others have had better success with this exact same combination I attribute this to something being set wrong internally in the copier or our local Ikon service doesn't know what they are doing. Color consistency on our Doc 12 both sheet to sheet and job to job was much better. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Craig Dellinger wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > This RIP/consistency question keeps getting thrown around and there's seems > to be some confusion out there. The Rip has nothing to do with keeping the > job consistent once the job starts running. That's the job of the color > printer. Using an external rip does make it much easier to hit calibration, > but once the job starts running, the rip assumes the color is great. Pretty > much all color printers have trouble keeping the color perfectly consistent > on a long run. The iGen3 measures color on the fly (off the belt) and > adjusts the image when it thinks it necessary. The iGen4 actually uses an > internal spectrophotometer on each sheet and makes adjustments during the > run to maintain perfect color. I believe the new KM6501 has some kind of > running color control also, I just haven't heard much about it. While I > agree it's critical to use a good external rip in a production environment, > the quality of the color printer, not the rip, is key to running consistent > on long runs. > > Craig Dellinger > President > New Haven Print & Copy > 7531 US 930 East > Fort Wayne, Indiana USA > Phone: 260.493.3844 > Fax: 260.493.3579 > www.newhavenprint.com > > > > Michael Vogel wrote: >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Charlene Sims >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Richard we have to tweak a lot to get the colors back and forth to hold >>> that >>> consistency. We have a C500 with a Fiery but one of the reasons we paid >>> more for the rip and the graphics arts package was to be able to tweak >>> the >>> colors to adjust. >>> >> >> We have a C500 with a Creo, and we also, in addition to frequent >> calibration, have to do constant tweaking to get both to the desired >> color as well as to maintain color consistency. I've wondered if those >> quality and time-consumption issues would go away with a Creo/6500. >> Scott -- how does your experience with this combination compare to the >> experience you had with the Creo/C500? >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From slb at inkspot.net Tue Oct 7 14:16:11 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Oct 7 14:16:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] reverse pagination in Indesign? Message-ID: <48EB6F2B.16449.44E6D3E@slb.inkspot.net> Once a year, we print a memorial book for a local synagogue. It paginates like any Hebrew prayer book--the reverse of an English book. In other words, what you think of as front and back covers are reversed, and every spread has the lower page number on the right, and the higher on the left. In Pagemaker, we used to be able to do this by clicking a box to reverse-paginate when converting to a booklet. I believe last year's book was done in ID CS2, and I don't believe we were able to find such an option--we ended up converting the document to a pdf, and placing the pages in a second ID document. Does anyone know an easier way to reverse paginate in any version of ID through CS3? TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Tue Oct 7 14:30:26 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Tue Oct 7 14:30:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] reverse pagination in Indesign? In-Reply-To: <48EB6F2B.16449.44E6D3E@slb.inkspot.net> References: <48EB6F2B.16449.44E6D3E@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <48EBAAC2.30404@sugarloafprint.com> In Acrobat you can print to PDF in reverse order (in theory anyway, I never tried this) Steve Blatman wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Once a year, we print a memorial book for a local synagogue. It paginates > like any Hebrew prayer book--the reverse of an English book. In other > words, what you think of as front and back covers are reversed, and every > spread has the lower page number on the right, and the higher on the > left. > > In Pagemaker, we used to be able to do this by clicking a box to > reverse-paginate when converting to a booklet. I believe last year's book > was done > in ID CS2, and I don't believe we were able to find such an option--we ended > up converting the document to a pdf, and placing the pages in a second ID > document. > > Does anyone know an easier way to reverse paginate in any version of ID > through CS3? > > TIA, > Steve > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From craig at newhavenprint.com Tue Oct 7 14:37:17 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Tue Oct 7 14:38:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] reverse pagination in Indesign? In-Reply-To: <48EB6F2B.16449.44E6D3E@slb.inkspot.net> References: <48EB6F2B.16449.44E6D3E@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <48EBAC5D.9000809@newhavenprint.com> You could print to a postscript file and check reverse order in the print setup screen, then distill to a pdf, take that pdf and use QuiteImposing or whatever your imposition software is to paginate it. That would be pretty quick and simple. Craig Craig Dellinger President New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, Indiana USA Phone: 260.493.3844 Fax: 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com Steve Blatman wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Once a year, we print a memorial book for a local synagogue. It paginates > like any Hebrew prayer book--the reverse of an English book. In other > words, what you think of as front and back covers are reversed, and every > spread has the lower page number on the right, and the higher on the > left. > > In Pagemaker, we used to be able to do this by clicking a box to > reverse-paginate when converting to a booklet. I believe last year's book > was done > in ID CS2, and I don't believe we were able to find such an option--we ended > up converting the document to a pdf, and placing the pages in a second ID > document. > > Does anyone know an easier way to reverse paginate in any version of ID > through CS3? > > TIA, > Steve > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > From cpc at clearnet.net Tue Oct 7 14:43:10 2008 From: cpc at clearnet.net (Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc.) Date: Tue Oct 7 14:43:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] reverse pagination in Indesign? In-Reply-To: <48EB6F2B.16449.44E6D3E@slb.inkspot.net> References: <48EB6F2B.16449.44E6D3E@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <48EBADBE.1030606@clearnet.net> Hey Steve, This should work. I just did a test on a 8 page booklet using ID CS2 and InBooklet SE. Choose InBooklet SE from the file menu. Check the Create New Document Box Click the Range button Imput your range in reverse (ie. 8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1) Select the other parameters required Click OK Test printed on KM C6500 with Creo with Duplex head to toe. Page 8 was front cover, page 7 inside front cover etc) Randy Hurley Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 17 South Third Street P.O. Box 23 Clearfield, PA 16830 814-765-4731 Fax: 814-765-1380 cpc@clearnet.net Steve Blatman wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Once a year, we print a memorial book for a local synagogue. It paginates >like any Hebrew prayer book--the reverse of an English book. In other >words, what you think of as front and back covers are reversed, and every >spread has the lower page number on the right, and the higher on the >left. > >In Pagemaker, we used to be able to do this by clicking a box to >reverse-paginate when converting to a booklet. I believe last year's book >was done >in ID CS2, and I don't believe we were able to find such an option--we ended >up converting the document to a pdf, and placing the pages in a second ID >document. > >Does anyone know an easier way to reverse paginate in any version of ID >through CS3? > >TIA, >Steve > >Steve Blatman >Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >Tel: 610-647-0776 >Fax: 610-647-4560 > > From falconprinting at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 15:28:17 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Tue Oct 7 15:28:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Page numbering in Quark & InDesign... In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620810071039h3b725229y3bf19c15e191fc8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Anyone know how to do this? I know its easy...but I don't know how to do it. I really need it for Quark, but figured I'd ask for both. Thanks. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com From k_graham at hotmail.com Tue Oct 7 11:04:18 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Tue Oct 7 15:58:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM6500 Color Consistency References: <48EB6359.3010409@weprintcary.com> <200810071308.m97D84tO056311@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: Yes on the 500, with internal Fiery. I expect Scot is right but you haven't mentioned humidity or temp or paper. Do you have a humidifier, can you keep the humidity at 30 to 50%, neither too high or too low. Can you run a furnace fan continuously to even out heat and humidity. Is the paper kept wrapped until use. Can you merge a few problem files into 1 that you use as a startup file each morning so you can call them more often? We bought a Xerox 240 abeit with external Fiery as a replacement. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 > No. > > Never. > > But then again we have the CREO DFE. > > My opinion is that you are asking too much of your internal RIP. > > Its also my opinion that the internal Fiery was never intended for > professional color reproduction. > > IF you add a CREO your problems will disappear. > > S. > > > > At 06:25 AM 10/7/2008, you wrote: > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >We've had the box since Jan 07, first one in our market and knew > >there would be a learning curve. Ours has the embedded Fiery. For > >most jobs, it is absolutely great. However, when we need to repeat a > >job and the color is somewhat critical, as an example pms blue 280, > >we cannot get back to the original color. After many service calls, > >we finally had a meeting with the top guys in the dealership where > >we bought it. GM, VP Service, service tech. > > > >Our normal daily routine is a color calibration first thing with the > >spectrophotometer. Same paper, same procedure. Then we would run 2 > >files to see how well that color was holding up. If not okay, then > >we would call service. > > > >At the meeting, we were informed that the machine was designed with > >a bunch of "user friendly" options so we could go in and make > >adjustments and "tweak" the color to get where we need to be. What > >we had to do was run the gamma and toner refresh then print out a > >"gray point" sheet to see where we were then adjust the cmyk values > >as needed to get the "gray point." Once that was completed, then do > >the calibration. > > > >Okay, fine, we'll do it. It added about 10 minutes to the daily > >routine. Problem is, we still can't get some colors back where they > >should be. Even using the color eye to scan and save the profile > >gets close but can't reproduce the same color as the original run. > >In Command Workstation, using Spot on color, the machine would print > >out the color swatch okay but would not print the same color when > >applied to the file. > > > >So now, our customers who really look at color consistency are > >asking us why their shades don't match previous runs. > > > >Is this a situation anyone else has encountered with their machine? > > > >Thanks. > > > > > >Richard Cobb > >Allegra Print & Imaging > >1155 Kildaire Farm Road > >Cary, NC 27511 > >919-468-3334 > >fax 919-468-3880 > > > >The Future of Printing is Here > > > >Helping Businesses Find Ways to Enhance the VALUE of Their > >Print Communications! > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >__________ NOD32 3500 (20081007) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.eset.com > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From bob at gallagherprint.com Tue Oct 7 15:58:11 2008 From: bob at gallagherprint.com (Bob Gallagher) Date: Tue Oct 7 15:58:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Page numbering in Quark & InDesign... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/7/08 3:28 PM, "Borzou Azabdaftari" wrote: In Quark, you set it up on the master page. Make a text box, type in command 3, format it for the font and size you want and position it where you want the number to show. If you are working with a two page master, you do it for each. Cant remember the InDesign formula right now. Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 http://www.gallagherprint.com An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Tue Oct 7 20:25:33 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Tue Oct 7 20:25:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Update removal Message-ID: Hi, I'd like to delete the update that several PC's want to install. How would I go about doing this. It's the sp3 service pack that I want to delete. Thanks, Larry Desert pacific Printing Tucson From dominick at fmtc.com Tue Oct 7 20:36:23 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Tue Oct 7 20:36:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Update removal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48EC0087.2070403@fmtc.com> Good Luck. It is difficult, and your PC will never be the same. Might as well dump the entire disk and start over. It wiped out all my "revert" dates, destroyed all my printing files, "ate" customer files, and basically cost me 4 days. I finally just threw the PC in the trash, bought a new one, and have locked it down, and will never let MicroCrap update my machine again. There are so many "pieces" left over from SP3 that your machine will never run the same again.. Toss it and start over. JMHO, PC's are worthless. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com larry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi, I'd like to delete the update that several PC's want to install. How would I go about doing this. It's the sp3 service pack that I want to delete. > > Thanks, Larry > Desert pacific Printing > Tucson > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1712 - Release Date: 10/7/2008 9:41 AM > From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Oct 7 20:57:21 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Oct 7 21:00:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Update removal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810080059.m980xrZV003144@i2bnetworks.com> Most of the service packs are to patch vulnerabilities of the OS that expose the machine to some sort of danger. I regularly patch all workstations and servers every patch Tuesday and have never seen any software "break" or problems occur. But I am running a domain and my network is as solid as they come. I think you can cause more problems than its worth to go backwards. If you want the Windows OS to stop updating go into the control panel named "system" and click on the Automatic Updates tab and turn it off. But you then are vulnerable to any new problems caused by the bad guys. S. At 05:25 PM 10/7/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Hi, I'd like to delete the update that several PC's want to >install. How would I go about doing this. It's the sp3 service >pack that I want to delete. > >Thanks, Larry >Desert pacific Printing >Tucson >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3502 (20081007) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From jdaghir at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 08:48:10 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Wed Oct 8 08:48:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Update removal In-Reply-To: <48EC0087.2070403@fmtc.com> References: <48EC0087.2070403@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620810080548h609019cex616b6bb0860bf15@mail.gmail.com> I don't doubt that you had problems but my experience has been just the opposite - I've allowed a couple of our Windows workstation to install SP3 and it was seamless - they worked exactly liked they did before the install of SP3. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Joe said: > Good Luck. It is difficult, and your PC will never be the same. Might as > well dump the entire disk and start over. > > It wiped out all my "revert" dates, destroyed all my printing files, "ate" > customer files, and basically cost me 4 days. > > I finally just threw the PC in the trash, bought a new one, and have locked > it down, and will never let MicroCrap update my machine again. > > There are so many "pieces" left over from SP3 that your machine will never > run the same again.. Toss it and start over. From jdaghir at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 09:09:51 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Wed Oct 8 09:09:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Keeping up with Paper Prices In-Reply-To: <7DCFBE2540F3480D969242240DFCA0B0@MitchDell> References: <7DCFBE2540F3480D969242240DFCA0B0@MitchDell> Message-ID: <83d5b9620810080609o6bf1a358o50737f4045268841@mail.gmail.com> This may not work for you, but since Xpedx is the only supplier that delivers to my area I buy almost exclusively from them. Therefore I have all of my paper loaded in PrintSmith with the correct Xpedx stock number. It makes updating my prices very easy. I download the current prices from Xpedx and import them into PrintSmith. Done in about 5 minutes. But I still don't do it as often as I should - maybe once every 6 months. And of course I still have to update the few stocks that we get from other sources manually. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Mitch said: > Is anyone else finding it challenging keeping paper prices updated in their > print management systems? From mike at arborprinting.com Wed Oct 8 09:39:09 2008 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Wed Oct 8 09:41:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Keeping up with Paper Prices References: <7DCFBE2540F3480D969242240DFCA0B0@MitchDell> <83d5b9620810080609o6bf1a358o50737f4045268841@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002a01c9294b$3e36e200$6601a8c0@MikeShutaPC> I asked for this enhancement from PrintSmith. Being able to change prices in the stock picker window. We update prices every month. A pain, but our paper supplier gives us an updated price list almost every month, with the stocks that have changed in bold type. It is a very time consuming job, so we do it every nonth. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. 5100 Academy Dr., Ste 100 Lisle, IL 60532 630-969-2277 P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Daghir" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Keeping up with Paper Prices > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > This may not work for you, but since Xpedx is the only supplier that > delivers to my area I buy almost exclusively from them. Therefore I > have all of my paper loaded in PrintSmith with the correct Xpedx stock > number. It makes updating my prices very easy. I download the current > prices from Xpedx and import them into PrintSmith. Done in about 5 > minutes. But I still don't do it as often as I should - maybe once > every 6 months. And of course I still have to update the few stocks > that we get from other sources manually. > > -- > Jeff Daghir > MPS Printing, Inc. > "The Ink & Paper People" > Madison, IN > www.mpsprinting.com > jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com > > > > Mitch said: >> Is anyone else finding it challenging keeping paper prices updated in >> their >> print management systems? > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From sam at mojavecopy.com Wed Oct 8 09:49:43 2008 From: sam at mojavecopy.com (sam@mojavecopy.com) Date: Wed Oct 8 09:50:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price update for printsmith Message-ID: <35017626-1223473822-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2129811947-@bxe178.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> We need to update paper pricing in Print smith and when this happens it is very tedious. Paper company will supply updates digitally but will include the entire price book for every product. Is there a way to clean the list before importing to PS? Is anybody doing this now? Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Wed Oct 8 10:14:40 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Wed Oct 8 10:14:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Update removal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48ECC050.4010801@satx.rr.com> Why not install SP3? They have the kinks out of it now. I waited until a couple of weeks a go to bring all my systems to SP3. Of the 6 XP boxes I have none experienced any problems. All are running AMD CPUs. If you really don't want to install it, uncheck it and when prompted check the box that will skip the unchecked updates. I can't remember the exact wording. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax larry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi, I'd like to delete the update that several PC's want to install. How would I go about doing this. It's the sp3 service pack that I want to delete. > > Thanks, Larry > Desert pacific Printing > Tucson > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From jdaghir at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 10:16:08 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Wed Oct 8 10:16:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price update for printsmith In-Reply-To: <35017626-1223473822-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2129811947-@bxe178.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <35017626-1223473822-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2129811947-@bxe178.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <83d5b9620810080716l373f0e75i52021a2c25bba180@mail.gmail.com> Yes, we import our price updates into PrintSmith. From the Import Stock Catalog window the Update Prices function will update only stocks that already exist in PrintSmith - it will NOT add any new stocks so there is no need to clean out your update list before importing. PS keys off the vendor name & vendor stock number in order to match stocks in the update file with stocks in PrintSmith so both these fields have to be correct in order for the stock update to work. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Sam said: > We need to update paper pricing in Print smith and when this happens it is very tedious. Paper company will supply updates digitally but will include the entire price book for every product. Is there a way to clean the list before importing to PS? Is anybody doing this now? > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From woodruff.ron at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 10:27:22 2008 From: woodruff.ron at gmail.com (Ron Woodruff) Date: Wed Oct 8 10:27:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price update for printsmith In-Reply-To: <35017626-1223473822-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2129811947-@bxe178.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <35017626-1223473822-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2129811947-@bxe178.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: There are several ways to change the prices: 1. Manually (This can be sped up by using the Filters to do smaller groups at one time) 2. Use the "Change Prices" function on the Master under Pricing. (I usually use this one when a Vendor raises their prices by %.) 3. Export your current list to Excel, make changes and import it back in. The main thing to remember is that this only works for stocks with a Stock Number) I can send you a report we use to export the data. You then use the Generic Importer to import them back in using the Import Stock Catalog) 4. Import the prices from a 3rd party like Xpedx using the Import Stock Catalog. Thank you, Ron Woodruff Relevant Works Direct Marketing Campaign Services 22 Whitney Drive | Milford, OH 45150 | 513-248-7610 | Fax 513-248-7606 | www.RelevantWorks.com | rwoodruff@relevantworks.com P.S. Wouldn't it be great to track your customer's response in real time? Ask me how! On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:49 AM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We need to update paper pricing in Print smith and when this happens it is very tedious. Paper company will supply updates digitally but will include the entire price book for every product. Is there a way to clean the list before importing to PS? Is anybody doing this now? > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Wed Oct 8 10:39:56 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Wed Oct 8 10:41:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Keeping up with Paper Prices In-Reply-To: <002a01c9294b$3e36e200$6601a8c0@MikeShutaPC> References: <7DCFBE2540F3480D969242240DFCA0B0@MitchDell><83d5b9620810080609o6bf1a358o50737f4045268841@mail.gmail.com> <002a01c9294b$3e36e200$6601a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: I do it manually, but I've suggested that PS "group" stocks of the same kind but different color to make it easier. Example: probably 20 different Astrobright 8 1/2 x 11 60# text colors. I have to change prices in each color separately. If those were grouped, it would make it much easier. My stock definition pricing is probably more complex than what others are doing. I charge double the price if less than a ream (cut stock only), 40% surcharge for a ream to less than 2 reams, regular price up to a case and then 15% off full case price (I get that discount from my vendor). Charging for full reams was just to difficult since we have so much paper inhouse. This was we have partial reams on the shelf for walk in customers but get a premium price for those small runs. Just what works for us, and it took 16 years to get to this point. Lots of trial and error! Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mike@arborprinting.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 8:39 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Keeping up with Paper Prices ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I asked for this enhancement from PrintSmith. Being able to change prices in the stock picker window. We update prices every month. A pain, but our paper supplier gives us an updated price list almost every month, with the stocks that have changed in bold type. It is a very time consuming job, so we do it every nonth. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. 5100 Academy Dr., Ste 100 Lisle, IL 60532 630-969-2277 P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Daghir" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Keeping up with Paper Prices > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > This may not work for you, but since Xpedx is the only supplier that > delivers to my area I buy almost exclusively from them. Therefore I > have all of my paper loaded in PrintSmith with the correct Xpedx stock > number. It makes updating my prices very easy. I download the current > prices from Xpedx and import them into PrintSmith. Done in about 5 > minutes. But I still don't do it as often as I should - maybe once > every 6 months. And of course I still have to update the few stocks > that we get from other sources manually. > > -- > Jeff Daghir > MPS Printing, Inc. > "The Ink & Paper People" > Madison, IN > www.mpsprinting.com > jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com > > > > Mitch said: >> Is anyone else finding it challenging keeping paper prices updated in >> their >> print management systems? > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Wed Oct 8 11:57:41 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Wed Oct 8 11:57:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Removal prior to install Message-ID: Hello.....I haven't updated yet, it keeps asking me to. On several PC's. I'd like to eliminat the pop up which keeps asking if I want to install it. I assumed that there was a folder it was sitting in which I could remove. SP3 messed up my personal laptop, but it did fine on my wife's. I don't want to go through the problems I had w/the PC's at the shop. That is my question, is there a folder somewhere on the PC I can locate and remove the update? That's what I want to do, regardless of how your experience has been. Thanks again, Larry Desert Pacific Printing Tucson Why not install SP3? They have the kinks out of it now. I waited until a couple of weeks a go to bring all my systems to SP3. Of the 6 XP boxes I have none experienced any problems. All are running AMD CPUs. If you really don't want to install it, uncheck it and when prompted check the box that will skip the unchecked updates. I can't remember the exact wording. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com Wed Oct 8 12:07:41 2008 From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat) Date: Wed Oct 8 12:08:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price update for printsmith In-Reply-To: References: <35017626-1223473822-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2129811947-@bxe178.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Ron, Could you please send me that report. Thanks in advance Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Woodruff Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 10:27 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Price update for printsmith ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** There are several ways to change the prices: 1. Manually (This can be sped up by using the Filters to do smaller groups at one time) 2. Use the "Change Prices" function on the Master under Pricing. (I usually use this one when a Vendor raises their prices by %.) 3. Export your current list to Excel, make changes and import it back in. The main thing to remember is that this only works for stocks with a Stock Number) I can send you a report we use to export the data. You then use the Generic Importer to import them back in using the Import Stock Catalog) 4. Import the prices from a 3rd party like Xpedx using the Import Stock Catalog. Thank you, Ron Woodruff Relevant Works Direct Marketing Campaign Services 22 Whitney Drive | Milford, OH 45150 | 513-248-7610 | Fax 513-248-7606 | www.RelevantWorks.com | rwoodruff@relevantworks.com P.S. Wouldn't it be great to track your customer's response in real time? Ask me how! On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:49 AM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We need to update paper pricing in Print smith and when this happens it is very tedious. Paper company will supply updates digitally but will include the entire price book for every product. Is there a way to clean the list before importing to PS? Is anybody doing this now? > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3504 (20081008) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From mike at arborprinting.com Wed Oct 8 12:11:13 2008 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Wed Oct 8 12:13:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price update for printsmith References: <35017626-1223473822-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2129811947-@bxe178.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <010b01c92960$7c885b00$6601a8c0@MikeShutaPC> > Ron, > > Could you please send me that report. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. 5100 Academy Dr., Ste 100 Lisle, IL 60532 630-969-2277 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Woodruff > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 10:27 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Price update for printsmith > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > There are several ways to change the prices: > > 1. Manually (This can be sped up by using the Filters to do smaller > groups at one time) > > 2. Use the "Change Prices" function on the Master under Pricing. > (I usually use this one when a Vendor raises their prices by %.) > > 3. Export your current list to Excel, make changes and import it back in. > The main thing to remember is that this only works for stocks with a > Stock Number) I can send you a report we use to export the data. You > then use the Generic Importer to import them back in using the Import > Stock Catalog) > > 4. Import the prices from a 3rd party like Xpedx using the Import Stock > Catalog. > > Thank you, > > Ron Woodruff > Relevant Works > Direct Marketing Campaign Services > 22 Whitney Drive | Milford, OH 45150 | > 513-248-7610 | Fax 513-248-7606 | www.RelevantWorks.com | > rwoodruff@relevantworks.com > > P.S. Wouldn't it be great to track your customer's response in real > time? Ask me how! > > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:49 AM, wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> We need to update paper pricing in Print smith and when this happens it >> is > very tedious. Paper company will supply updates digitally but will include > the entire price book for every product. Is there a way to clean the list > before importing to PS? Is anybody doing this now? >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 3504 (20081008) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From jdaghir at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 13:06:51 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Wed Oct 8 13:06:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Removal prior to install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83d5b9620810081006o7903fa24nfd9734d481cae8c3@mail.gmail.com> Larry wrote: > That is my question, is there a folder somewhere on the PC I can locate and remove the update? > > That's what I want to do, regardless of how your experience has been. If the update has already been installed: Start Menu | Control Panel | Add/Remove Programs Select Windows XP Service Pack 3 and click the Remove button -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Wed Oct 8 13:26:41 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Wed Oct 8 13:25:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Keeping up with Paper Prices In-Reply-To: <20081008144118.0CACF10C765A@rb.enter.net> References: <20081008144118.0CACF10C765A@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: > I do it manually As do we. We buy from several vendors and adjust the paper database on- the-fly as new or repeat jobs are estimated. > ..... but I've suggested that PS "group" stocks of the same kind > but different color to make it easier. Example: probably 20 different > Astrobright 8 1/2 x 11 60# text colors. I have to change prices in > each > color separately. If those were grouped, it would make it much easier. Available feature in PrintPoint for a couple of years or more. Updating the costs of the same paper brands & colors on-the-fly is easy. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Wed Oct 8 13:43:07 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Wed Oct 8 13:43:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Removal prior to install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48ECF12B.8000408@satx.rr.com> Then hit the install updates icon, choose Custom install and uncheck the ones you don't want. A dialog will come up and you can check the don't notify me about these updates again and it will not do so. I will say that the early versions of SP3 did cause chaos on a lot of systems. That is why I waited until now to install myself. I had no problems on 2 laptops and the rest were desktops. The only thing they had in common was AMD processors. That was a big problem on HP systems and that was cured. One of the boxes was a 2000 vintage HP that we use for email at the house. The last time I purchased a ready built desktop computer was that one. I was in a hurry. It plugs several problems you might encounter in a network environment. I still recommend the install for you as I do all my computer clients. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax larry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello.....I haven't updated yet, it keeps asking me to. On several PC's. I'd like to eliminat the pop up which keeps asking if I want > to install it. I assumed that there was a folder it was sitting in which I could remove. > > SP3 messed up my personal laptop, but it did fine on my wife's. I don't want to go through the problems I had w/the PC's at the shop. > > That is my question, is there a folder somewhere on the PC I can locate and remove the update? > > That's what I want to do, regardless of how your experience has been. > > Thanks again, Larry > Desert Pacific Printing > Tucson > > > > Why not install SP3? They have the kinks out of it now. I waited until a > couple of weeks a go to bring all my systems to SP3. Of the 6 XP boxes I > have none experienced any problems. All are running AMD CPUs. If you > really don't want to install it, uncheck it and when prompted check the > box that will skip the unchecked updates. I can't remember the exact > wording. > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > Ewing and Sons Printing > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From scottv at regalpress.net Wed Oct 8 13:56:44 2008 From: scottv at regalpress.net (Scott Vicnaire) Date: Wed Oct 8 13:57:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Custom file folders Message-ID: <000901c9296f$3aa4b030$0310a8c0@Ellsworth> Hello, I need a source for a file folder that one of my best clients wants to buy from me, and not the competitor they have been using (yeah for me!). It has an end tab, a 2" tape expansion gusset, a funky plastic tubing type of fastener and needs a double set of 6 bank tabs. Any suggestions? TIA. Sincerely, Scott Vicnaire Full Circle Printing Solutions 265 Water Street Ellsworth, ME 04650 207-667-5227 140 South Main Street Brewer, ME 04412 207-989-4100 www.fullcircleprintingsolutions.com From ron at printingconcepts.com Wed Oct 8 14:17:44 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Wed Oct 8 14:17:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] End of Lease Scam Message-ID: Recently we ended a lease with DE LAGE LANDEN and wanted to send the machine back, as it was FMV. These jerks tried to charge us for two extra months ($2500) because we claimed we didn't notify them within 60-90 days. We did notify them but claimed they had no record of our letter. When we were arguing with them we actually were within 60-90 days of our last payment but they said the lease really ended one month before our last payment, hence we were out of their spec. Talked to the copier company and they said they try these stunts with everyone (BTW, thanks, copier company, for the introduction :( ) I was prepared for the end of lease scenario and they still tried to ding me. This will be or was my last lease, too much hassle. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons" "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, and of the merchants a merchant." RALPH WALDO EMERSON Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From steveprint at aol.com Wed Oct 8 15:05:12 2008 From: steveprint at aol.com (StevePrint) Date: Wed Oct 8 15:04:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] SP3 Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2c0bf727.167d.4edf.a678.9b52596e8842@aol.com> We installed SP3 and now our user keys on the Microsoft Keyboard don't work with the shortcuts we programmed. Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting In a message dated 10/08/08 08:59:42 Pacific Daylight Time, eatnsleepgolf@msn.com writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hello.....I haven't updated yet, it keeps asking me to. On several PC's. I'd like to eliminat the pop up which keeps asking if I want to install it. I assumed that there was a folder it was sitting in which I could remove. SP3 messed up my personal laptop, but it did fine on my wife's. I don't want to go through the problems I had w/the PC's at the shop. That is my question, is there a folder somewhere on the PC I can locate and remove the update? That's what I want to do, regardless of how your experience has been. Thanks again, Larry Desert Pacific Printing Tucson Why not install SP3? They have the kinks out of it now. I waited until a couple of weeks a go to bring all my systems to SP3. Of the 6 XP boxes I have none experienced any problems. All are running AMD CPUs. If you really don't want to install it, uncheck it and when prompted check the box that will skip the unchecked updates. I can't remember the exact wording. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Wed Oct 8 16:26:40 2008 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Wed Oct 8 16:27:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Another Survey References: <2c0bf727.167d.4edf.a678.9b52596e8842@aol.com> Message-ID: I know we talked about the Survey that we all received and tossed. I have now received another. This is the 2007 Survey of Business Owners and Self-Employed Persons. (SBO-1). This looks just like the other one but only ask about nationality, where you obtained the funds to purchase/start the business, if you have taken out loans, etc do you import or export, etc, etc, etc. I didn't reply to the first and now I have another one. It says it is a part of the Economic Census program and the Census Bureau is required by low to conduct every 5 years. (Title 13 of US Census code). And it says that you response is required BY LAW!!! Now in my 25 years, these are the only 2 of these type surveys I have ever received. Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting From joseph at mauiprintworks.com Wed Oct 8 17:21:56 2008 From: joseph at mauiprintworks.com (Joseph Marsh) Date: Wed Oct 8 17:22:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Legal Scanning to CD Message-ID: <3097385F-17D4-4593-9E48-39919B46249C@mauiprintworks.com> I just got a call from an attorney that needs to get about 7500 documents scanned in to PDFs and labeled by file folder. How would you bill for this? They don't need any hard copies they just need everything scanned and burned to cds. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 Cell: 808-264-6382 joseph@mauiprintworks.com From dominick at fmtc.com Wed Oct 8 17:33:43 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Wed Oct 8 17:34:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Legal Scanning to CD In-Reply-To: <3097385F-17D4-4593-9E48-39919B46249C@mauiprintworks.com> References: <3097385F-17D4-4593-9E48-39919B46249C@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: <48ED2737.6090707@fmtc.com> Joseph, We would run this on our Ricoh 1075, scanning straight to computer to PDF. We charge 10 to 15 cents per scan (depending on the number of staples), PLUS computer time to label the file folders, PLUS the cost to burn CD's. This job could cost the customer close to $2000, depending on the # of file folders... Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! Joseph Marsh wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I just got a call from an attorney that needs to get about 7500 > documents scanned in to PDFs and labeled by file folder. How would you > bill for this? They don't need any hard copies they just need > everything scanned and burned to cds. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. Thanks. > > Joseph Marsh > Maui Print Works > Phone: 808-242-6634 > Fax: 808-242-8967 > Cell: 808-264-6382 > joseph@mauiprintworks.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1714 - Release Date: 10/8/2008 7:01 AM > From bjohnson at nemont.net Wed Oct 8 17:40:08 2008 From: bjohnson at nemont.net (bob johnson) Date: Wed Oct 8 17:40:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Calendar Software Message-ID: Is their some sort of Calendar software for the MAC that is good? Thank You Bob Johnson From rstor at copycats.com Wed Oct 8 17:44:48 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Wed Oct 8 17:45:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Legal Scanning to CD In-Reply-To: <3097385F-17D4-4593-9E48-39919B46249C@mauiprintworks.com> References: <3097385F-17D4-4593-9E48-39919B46249C@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: <48ED29D0.6010900@copycats.com> You can't quote on this without first looking at the folders. If the material is feedable with minimal staples, we charge 12 cents/impression At the other extreme, if it is bank records with checks, or crumpled, stapled receipts that have to be put back into envelopes, we charge 22 cents. In addition, we charge $1 per file name, plus $5 per CD Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Joseph Marsh wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I just got a call from an attorney that needs to get about 7500 > documents scanned in to PDFs and labeled by file folder. How would > you bill for this? They don't need any hard copies they just need > everything scanned and burned to cds. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. Thanks. > > Joseph Marsh > Maui Print Works > Phone: 808-242-6634 > Fax: 808-242-8967 > Cell: 808-264-6382 > joseph@mauiprintworks.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From paula at curryprint.com Wed Oct 8 20:20:14 2008 From: paula at curryprint.com (Paula Smith) Date: Wed Oct 8 20:22:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] End of Lease Scam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ron: I'm with you...I will never lease another copier again. It is hard enough keeping up with the legit requirements, forget about the bs they throw in at the end. After doing this for 20 years now, I thought I would be well-prepared for any possible scenario... WRONG! They are always coming up with new tricks and hidden bits. And it's not just the leasing companies...try reading a service contract these days! The first thing I do is enlarge it to 11x17 and take a highlighter to it. Some of the stuff they want you to sign is so ballsy and reprehensible, that I'm surprised they get away with it. How about calling the leasing company, asking a question, getting an answer, and then having that answer denied being given later on? How about sending a fax, getting a confirmation, and then finding out no one ever got it? How about a copier company agreeing to pick up old equipment and return it to the leasing company when upgrading, and then storing the old equipment in their own warehouse for 4 months while the leasing company still bills me??? Like you, I've signed my last lease, and couldn't be happier. I don't trust copier companies or leasing companies as far as my lawyer can throw them (and he's a pretty small guy!). Paula Smith Curry Printing & Copy Center 314 North Charles Street Baltimore, Maryland 21201 410.685.2679 410.685.1018 fax www.curryprint.com paula@curryprint.com "IMPOSSIBLE DEADLINES MET" We make banners and signs! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:18 PM > To: printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] End of Lease Scam > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Recently we ended a lease with DE LAGE LANDEN and wanted to send the > machine > back, as it was FMV. These jerks tried to charge us for two extra months > ($2500) because we claimed we didn't notify them within 60-90 days. We > did > notify them but claimed they had no record of our letter. When we were > arguing with them we actually were within 60-90 days of our last payment > but > they said the lease really ended one month before our last payment, hence > we > were out of their spec. Talked to the copier company and they said they > try > these stunts with everyone (BTW, thanks, copier company, for the > introduction :( ) > > I was prepared for the end of lease scenario and they still tried to ding > me. > > This will be or was my last lease, too much hassle. > > > > > Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear > below > should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner > a > statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the > general > edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. > > "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, > adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." > > ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our > spoons" > > "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, > and of the merchants a merchant." > > RALPH WALDO EMERSON > > > > > Ron Taggart, President > PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. > 4246 Hudson Drive > Stow, Ohio 44224 > 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 > www.printingconcepts.com > ron@printingconcepts.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1714 - Release Date: 10/8/2008 > 7:01 AM From gsnmercury at yahoo.com Thu Oct 9 06:48:15 2008 From: gsnmercury at yahoo.com (William Farquharson) Date: Thu Oct 9 06:48:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing a new digital press In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <243601.18097.qm@web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Randy-I have done many of these for Xerox, Indigo, NexPress and others. What stimulates interest is when you speak in anecdotal terms. In other words, tell stories and show examples of what the equipment can do. Talk about building relationships with customers based on what you know about them. Discuss the concepts of targeting markets and speaking to each client or prospect based on their known preferences. Your new digital press is beige and it uses electricity. Yawn. Get into the incredible things it can do. Call me if you need more help. Roll Tide! Bill Farquharson Print Tec Network 781-934-7036 www.printtec.com University of Alabama '81 --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Randy Smith wrote: From: Randy Smith Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing a new digital press To: "'PrintOwners'" Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 8:06 AM ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are in negotiations for a new digital press. We should finalize this deal next week, and have the equipment on our floor within a month. I'm looking for suggestions on how to market this new digital equipment. I've thought about having an open house where we could invite customers, prospects, and suspects to see the equipment in operation. We're blowing new ground here and want to be smart in our marketing approach. What does your company do to market a new piece of equipment, like a digital press? Thanks in advance for your help, Randy Smith Smith Printing Company, Inc. P.O.Box 37 Leeds, AL 35094 Office: 205.699.2284 Fax: 205.699.8660 e-mail: rsmith@smithprintinginc.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Thu Oct 9 08:24:10 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Thu Oct 9 08:24:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF- EFI and wall street Message-ID: <8DAA478B8F394D7BAF2BCCA6032D6BBA@Leo4allPC> I have been waiting for someone to connect the dots on EFI actions and whole banking mess. EFI did (does?) just what the scum on Wall Street did. They back dated stocks and enriched themselves at our expense. I know many hate to hear it here, but EFI and the whole corporate greed thing is out of control. The sad thing is so many look the other way and justify the actions until it hits them. So banks gorged themselves on stock holders and EFI did the same, just on a smaller scale in our print world. Both are wrong and un-justifiable. I would love to see what Getch, Olin and others have for a golden parachute. To bad I am one of few who seem to care about it. I just hope EFI does not implode, someday like AIG and others. I wonder how many now think of the gang who runs EFI as good example of leaders to emulate. Jim Cramer of Mad money has a wall of shame, what is the print world wall of shame? Closing Price $10.56 EFI 10/08/08 down from the high 20's one year ago today. The oracle of Oswego John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From robin at protypeonline.com Thu Oct 9 08:42:42 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Thu Oct 9 08:42:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:Calendar Software Message-ID: <0E8530A3-98E8-4B7E-AC0F-FC7ACADB5F42@protypeonline.com> Bob, don't you use or like iCal? Robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From jdaghir at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 08:49:23 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Thu Oct 9 08:49:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Calendar Software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83d5b9620810090549w37db175dk9b9d9ad023732fd7@mail.gmail.com> It's not really Mac software per se but you can purchase InDesign & Quark calendar templates here: http://www.expresscalendartemplates.com/ -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com > Is their some sort of Calendar software for the MAC that is good? From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Thu Oct 9 08:56:07 2008 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Thu Oct 9 08:56:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing a new digital press In-Reply-To: <243601.18097.qm@web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003f01c92a0e$65d0eef0$5b01a8c0@fileserver> Roll Tide! Bill Farquharson I have heard since there have been so many arrests of players at Alabama they are changing Roll Tide to Parole Tide. I could have heard bad information of course. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of William Farquharson Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 5:48 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Marketing a new digital press ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Randy-I have done many of these for Xerox, Indigo, NexPress and others. What stimulates interest is when you speak in anecdotal terms. In other words, tell stories and show examples of what the equipment can do. Talk about building relationships with customers based on what you know about them. Discuss the concepts of targeting markets and speaking to each client or prospect based on their known preferences. Your new digital press is beige and it uses electricity. Yawn. Get into the incredible things it can do. Call me if you need more help. Roll Tide! Bill Farquharson Print Tec Network 781-934-7036 www.printtec.com University of Alabama '81 --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Randy Smith wrote: From: Randy Smith Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing a new digital press To: "'PrintOwners'" Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 8:06 AM ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are in negotiations for a new digital press. We should finalize this deal next week, and have the equipment on our floor within a month. I'm looking for suggestions on how to market this new digital equipment. I've thought about having an open house where we could invite customers, prospects, and suspects to see the equipment in operation. We're blowing new ground here and want to be smart in our marketing approach. What does your company do to market a new piece of equipment, like a digital press? Thanks in advance for your help, Randy Smith Smith Printing Company, Inc. P.O.Box 37 Leeds, AL 35094 Office: 205.699.2284 Fax: 205.699.8660 e-mail: rsmith@smithprintinginc.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3506 (20081009) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From Chris at mmgraphicsandmail.com Thu Oct 9 09:38:36 2008 From: Chris at mmgraphicsandmail.com (Chris) Date: Thu Oct 9 09:38:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PMS Color Conversion help Message-ID: What standard PMS color matches, or is closest to Pantone DS 324 - 1U, and Pantone DS 298 - 1U. Thanks for the help. Chris Cochran M & M Graphics, Inc. "Charlotte's Favorite Printer", we mail too. 704-376-0938 The most frequently made comment by new customers is: "I wish we had found out about you sooner." I want to thank you if you are one of our valued customers. If you are not, give us a try and see what you are missing!!!! www.mmgraphicsandmail.com From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com Thu Oct 9 09:49:23 2008 From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat) Date: Thu Oct 9 09:50:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PMS Color Conversion help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, I believe the closest would be: DS324-1U...PMS 426 U DS298-1U...PMS 382 U Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:39 AM To: printowners list Subject: [PrintOwners] PMS Color Conversion help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** What standard PMS color matches, or is closest to Pantone DS 324 - 1U, and Pantone DS 298 - 1U. Thanks for the help. Chris Cochran M & M Graphics, Inc. "Charlotte's Favorite Printer", we mail too. 704-376-0938 The most frequently made comment by new customers is: "I wish we had found out about you sooner." I want to thank you if you are one of our valued customers. If you are not, give us a try and see what you are missing!!!! www.mmgraphicsandmail.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3506 (20081009) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Thu Oct 9 09:57:31 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Thu Oct 9 09:57:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] SP3 Problem In-Reply-To: <2c0bf727.167d.4edf.a678.9b52596e8842@aol.com> References: <2c0bf727.167d.4edf.a678.9b52596e8842@aol.com> Message-ID: <48EE0DCB.8070402@sugarloafprint.com> http://windowssecrets.com/comp/080911/ -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From Chris at mmgraphicsandmail.com Thu Oct 9 09:59:23 2008 From: Chris at mmgraphicsandmail.com (Chris) Date: Thu Oct 9 09:59:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PMS Color Conversion help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Richard, Thanks for the help. Chris Cochran M & M Graphics, Inc. "Charlotte's Favorite Printer", we mail too. 704-376-0938 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Richard Moffat Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:49 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] PMS Color Conversion help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Chris, I believe the closest would be: DS324-1U...PMS 426 U DS298-1U...PMS 382 U Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:39 AM To: printowners list Subject: [PrintOwners] PMS Color Conversion help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** What standard PMS color matches, or is closest to Pantone DS 324 - 1U, and Pantone DS 298 - 1U. Thanks for the help. Chris Cochran M & M Graphics, Inc. "Charlotte's Favorite Printer", we mail too. 704-376-0938 The most frequently made comment by new customers is: "I wish we had found out about you sooner." I want to thank you if you are one of our valued customers. If you are not, give us a try and see what you are missing!!!! www.mmgraphicsandmail.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3506 (20081009) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3373 (20080821) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3373 (20080821) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From jeff at nwgprint.com Thu Oct 9 10:42:19 2008 From: jeff at nwgprint.com (Jeff Swoyer) Date: Thu Oct 9 10:42:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] End of Lease Scam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4BFEDA44642E4E9C8F4174A82911D787@northwes2uvrwl> Dear Print Owners: I just got a proposal from Xerox for a Doc242 (with offsetting catch tray, over-sized high capacity feeder (1 tray), and Creo RIP/Controller, which showed the following: With a 60-month term lease with FMV purchase option ($928.15 per month), color prints billed at .0539 (fixed for term of leas) and black only prints billed at .0142 (fixed for term of lease). With outright purchase (less Doc3535 trade-in $39,650.00), color prints billed at .089 (increases each year) and black only prints billed at .0129 (increases each year). I've never leased a copier before, always purchased. But with the better click charge quoted with the lease, I'm tempted to go with the lease. At 20,000 color copies per month, that's a savings of $702.00 per month on click charges. Please give me your opinion as to what you would do. Jeff Swoyer Northwest Graphics, Inc. 625 S. Lincoln Ave. Steamboat Springs, CO 80487 970-879-5444 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Paula Smith Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 6:20 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] End of Lease Scam ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Ron: I'm with you...I will never lease another copier again. It is hard enough keeping up with the legit requirements, forget about the bs they throw in at the end. After doing this for 20 years now, I thought I would be well-prepared for any possible scenario... WRONG! They are always coming up with new tricks and hidden bits. And it's not just the leasing companies...try reading a service contract these days! The first thing I do is enlarge it to 11x17 and take a highlighter to it. Some of the stuff they want you to sign is so ballsy and reprehensible, that I'm surprised they get away with it. How about calling the leasing company, asking a question, getting an answer, and then having that answer denied being given later on? How about sending a fax, getting a confirmation, and then finding out no one ever got it? How about a copier company agreeing to pick up old equipment and return it to the leasing company when upgrading, and then storing the old equipment in their own warehouse for 4 months while the leasing company still bills me??? Like you, I've signed my last lease, and couldn't be happier. I don't trust copier companies or leasing companies as far as my lawyer can throw them (and he's a pretty small guy!). Paula Smith Curry Printing & Copy Center 314 North Charles Street Baltimore, Maryland 21201 410.685.2679 410.685.1018 fax www.curryprint.com paula@curryprint.com "IMPOSSIBLE DEADLINES MET" We make banners and signs! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:18 PM > To: printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] End of Lease Scam > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Recently we ended a lease with DE LAGE LANDEN and wanted to send the > machine > back, as it was FMV. These jerks tried to charge us for two extra months > ($2500) because we claimed we didn't notify them within 60-90 days. We > did > notify them but claimed they had no record of our letter. When we were > arguing with them we actually were within 60-90 days of our last payment > but > they said the lease really ended one month before our last payment, hence > we > were out of their spec. Talked to the copier company and they said they > try > these stunts with everyone (BTW, thanks, copier company, for the > introduction :( ) > > I was prepared for the end of lease scenario and they still tried to ding > me. > > This will be or was my last lease, too much hassle. > > > > > Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear > below > should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner > a > statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the > general > edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. > > "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, > adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." > > ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our > spoons" > > "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, > and of the merchants a merchant." > > RALPH WALDO EMERSON > > > > > Ron Taggart, President > PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. > 4246 Hudson Drive > Stow, Ohio 44224 > 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 > www.printingconcepts.com > ron@printingconcepts.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1714 - Release Date: 10/8/2008 > 7:01 AM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From braddpotter at juno.com Thu Oct 9 10:41:58 2008 From: braddpotter at juno.com (Brad Potter) Date: Thu Oct 9 10:43:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] End of Lease Scam Message-ID: <20081009.074158.9619.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> What we forget about is that there are NO consumer protections like we are so used to having with credit cards. NONE. They can lie. It is in their customer service manual. I have opined in the past that I think the people they hire in these (end of lease) departments are paid a percentage of the extra money they scam out of you in the end. I noted in one post a long time ago about the certain demographic description of these older females that they seem to hire for these departments. Not going there again. brad printing services Port Orchard, wa Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] End of Lease Scam To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ron: I'm with you...I will never lease another copier again. It is hard enough keeping up with the legit requirements, forget about the bs they throw in at the end. After doing this for 20 years now, I thought I would be well-prepared for any possible scenario... WRONG! They are always coming up with new tricks and hidden bits. And it's not just the leasing companies...try reading a service contract these days! The first thing I do is enlarge it to 11x17 and take a highlighter to it. Some of the stuff they want you to sign is so ballsy and reprehensible, that I'm surprised they get away with it. How about calling the leasing company, asking a question, getting an answer, and then having that answer denied being given later on? How about sending a fax, getting a confirmation, and then finding out no one ever got it? How about a copier company agreeing to pick up old equipment and return it to the leasing company when upgrading, and then storing the old equipment in their own warehouse for 4 months while the leasing company still bills me??? Like you, I've signed my last lease, and couldn't be happier. I don't trust copier companies or leasing companies as far as my lawyer can throw them (and he's a pretty small guy!). Paula Smith Curry Printing & Copy Center 314 North Charles Street Baltimore, Maryland 21201 410.685.2679 410.685.1018 fax www.curryprint.com paula@curryprint.com "IMPOSSIBLE DEADLINES MET" We make banners and signs! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:18 PM > To: printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] End of Lease Scam > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Recently we ended a lease with DE LAGE LANDEN and wanted to send the > machine > back, as it was FMV. These jerks tried to charge us for two extra months > ($2500) because we claimed we didn't notify them within 60-90 days. We > did > notify them but claimed they had no record of our letter. When we were > arguing with them we actually were within 60-90 days of our last payment > but > they said the lease really ended one month before our last payment, hence > we > were out of their spec. Talked to the copier company and they said they > try > these stunts with everyone (BTW, thanks, copier company, for the > introduction :( ) > > I was prepared for the end of lease scenario and they still tried to ding > me. > > This will be or was my last lease, too much hassle. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ Inventors: Does your idea have potential for millions? Click for info. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mfCNGmcsDL7CWDVZSw7yUgkBAhcozYkJ6B3seaa7iZuQ5ve/ From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Thu Oct 9 10:51:12 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Thu Oct 9 10:52:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] End of Lease Scam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008401c92a1e$7998c3d0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Hear! Hear! We just finished a lease with Pitney Bowes. We just discovered that they had been improperly charging us sales tax for five years to the tune of about $1800. Rather than refund the money they suddenly decided we should have been paying insurance on the equipment over this period even though we are already covered under our main policy. Gord Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 Ph: 416 298 6996 Fax: 416 298 2771 www.xoxocyberprint.com gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com You can lick our envelopes but you can't beat our printing! -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Paula Smith Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 8:20 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] End of Lease Scam ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Ron: I'm with you...I will never lease another copier again. It is hard enough keeping up with the legit requirements, forget about the bs they throw in at the end. After doing this for 20 years now, I thought I would be well-prepared for any possible scenario... WRONG! They are always coming up with new tricks and hidden bits. And it's not just the leasing companies...try reading a service contract these days! The first thing I do is enlarge it to 11x17 and take a highlighter to it. Some of the stuff they want you to sign is so ballsy and reprehensible, that I'm surprised they get away with it. How about calling the leasing company, asking a question, getting an answer, and then having that answer denied being given later on? How about sending a fax, getting a confirmation, and then finding out no one ever got it? How about a copier company agreeing to pick up old equipment and return it to the leasing company when upgrading, and then storing the old equipment in their own warehouse for 4 months while the leasing company still bills me??? Like you, I've signed my last lease, and couldn't be happier. I don't trust copier companies or leasing companies as far as my lawyer can throw them (and he's a pretty small guy!). Paula Smith Curry Printing & Copy Center 314 North Charles Street Baltimore, Maryland 21201 410.685.2679 410.685.1018 fax www.curryprint.com paula@curryprint.com "IMPOSSIBLE DEADLINES MET" We make banners and signs! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:18 PM > To: printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] End of Lease Scam > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Recently we ended a lease with DE LAGE LANDEN and wanted to send the > machine > back, as it was FMV. These jerks tried to charge us for two extra months > ($2500) because we claimed we didn't notify them within 60-90 days. We > did > notify them but claimed they had no record of our letter. When we were > arguing with them we actually were within 60-90 days of our last payment > but > they said the lease really ended one month before our last payment, hence > we > were out of their spec. Talked to the copier company and they said they > try > these stunts with everyone (BTW, thanks, copier company, for the > introduction :( ) > > I was prepared for the end of lease scenario and they still tried to ding > me. > > This will be or was my last lease, too much hassle. > > > > > Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear > below > should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner > a > statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the > general > edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. > > "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, > adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." > > ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our > spoons" > > "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, > and of the merchants a merchant." > > RALPH WALDO EMERSON > > > > > Ron Taggart, President > PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. > 4246 Hudson Drive > Stow, Ohio 44224 > 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 > www.printingconcepts.com > ron@printingconcepts.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1714 - Release Date: 10/8/2008 > 7:01 AM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ellsworth at fullcircleprintingsolutions.com Thu Oct 9 10:54:29 2008 From: ellsworth at fullcircleprintingsolutions.com (Scott Vicnaire) Date: Thu Oct 9 10:54:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] End of Lease Scam In-Reply-To: <4BFEDA44642E4E9C8F4174A82911D787@northwes2uvrwl> References: <4BFEDA44642E4E9C8F4174A82911D787@northwes2uvrwl> Message-ID: <48EE1B25.1060508@fullcircleprintingsolutions.com> Jeff, I'd ask why the service costs are any different between lease and purchase. Service should be the same either/ or, in my opinion. The truth is that the copier companies use the service department as incentive/leverage to promote leasing. I agree with the others who have posted to this topic, I'll not lease anything again. In my opinion leasing companies are a bunch of blood-sucking leaches and outright liars, but my opinion and a couple of bucks will buy you a cup of coffee. Jeff Swoyer wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dear Print Owners: > > I just got a proposal from Xerox for a Doc242 (with offsetting catch tray, > over-sized high capacity feeder (1 tray), and Creo RIP/Controller, which > showed the following: > > With a 60-month term lease with FMV purchase option ($928.15 per month), > color prints billed at .0539 (fixed for term of leas) and black only prints > billed at .0142 (fixed for term of lease). > > With outright purchase (less Doc3535 trade-in $39,650.00), color prints > billed at .089 (increases each year) and black only prints billed at .0129 > (increases each year). > > I've never leased a copier before, always purchased. But with the better > click charge quoted with the lease, I'm tempted to go with the lease. At > 20,000 color copies per month, that's a savings of $702.00 per month on > click charges. > > Please give me your opinion as to what you would do. > > Jeff Swoyer > Northwest Graphics, Inc. > 625 S. Lincoln Ave. > Steamboat Springs, CO 80487 > 970-879-5444 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Paula Smith > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 6:20 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] End of Lease Scam > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Ron: > > I'm with you...I will never lease another copier again. It is hard enough > keeping up with the legit requirements, forget about the bs they throw in at > the end. After doing this for 20 years now, I thought I would be > well-prepared for any possible scenario... WRONG! They are always coming up > with new tricks and hidden bits. And it's not just the leasing > companies...try reading a service contract these days! The first thing I do > is enlarge it to 11x17 and take a highlighter to it. Some of the stuff they > want you to sign is so ballsy and reprehensible, that I'm surprised they get > away with it. > > How about calling the leasing company, asking a question, getting an answer, > and then having that answer denied being given later on? How about sending a > fax, getting a confirmation, and then finding out no one ever got it? How > about a copier company agreeing to pick up old equipment and return it to > the leasing company when upgrading, and then storing the old equipment in > their own warehouse for 4 months while the leasing company still bills me??? > > Like you, I've signed my last lease, and couldn't be happier. I don't trust > copier companies or leasing companies as far as my lawyer can throw them > (and he's a pretty small guy!). > > > > Paula Smith > Curry Printing & Copy Center > 314 North Charles Street > Baltimore, Maryland 21201 > 410.685.2679 > 410.685.1018 fax > www.curryprint.com > paula@curryprint.com > "IMPOSSIBLE DEADLINES MET" > We make banners and signs! > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- >> bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart >> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:18 PM >> To: printowners >> Subject: [PrintOwners] End of Lease Scam >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Recently we ended a lease with DE LAGE LANDEN and wanted to send the >> machine >> back, as it was FMV. These jerks tried to charge us for two extra months >> ($2500) because we claimed we didn't notify them within 60-90 days. We >> did >> notify them but claimed they had no record of our letter. When we were >> arguing with them we actually were within 60-90 days of our last payment >> but >> they said the lease really ended one month before our last payment, hence >> we >> were out of their spec. Talked to the copier company and they said they >> try >> these stunts with everyone (BTW, thanks, copier company, for the >> introduction :( ) >> >> I was prepared for the end of lease scenario and they still tried to ding >> me. >> >> This will be or was my last lease, too much hassle. >> >> >> >> >> Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear >> below >> should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner >> a >> statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the >> general >> edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. >> >> "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, >> adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." >> >> ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our >> spoons" >> >> "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, >> and of the merchants a merchant." >> >> RALPH WALDO EMERSON >> >> >> >> >> Ron Taggart, President >> PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. >> 4246 Hudson Drive >> Stow, Ohio 44224 >> 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 >> www.printingconcepts.com >> ron@printingconcepts.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1714 - Release Date: 10/8/2008 >> 7:01 AM >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > -- Sincerely, Scott Vicnaire Full Circle Printing Solutions 265 Water Street Ellsworth, Maine 04605 207-667-5227 140 South Main Street Brewer, Maine 04412 207-989-4100 www.fullcircleprintingsolutions.com From tradeprint at frontiernet.net Thu Oct 9 11:03:24 2008 From: tradeprint at frontiernet.net (Robert Cashimere) Date: Thu Oct 9 11:03:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] End of Lease Scam In-Reply-To: <4BFEDA44642E4E9C8F4174A82911D787@northwes2uvrwl> References: <4BFEDA44642E4E9C8F4174A82911D787@northwes2uvrwl> Message-ID: <48EE1D3C.8010108@frontiernet.net> > > I've never leased a copier before, always purchased. But . . . . Of course, this is a question that should be put to Larry Hunt. You are a subscriber, aren't you? But my immediate thought is to recommend that you negotiate for the best of both worlds. Purchase price AND lowest click rates. The market has to be pretty thin right now. That being said, even .539 (color) and .0142 (B/W) are nothing to write home about. Those other rates are simply not competitive. Have you looked at the KM6500 or the CPP650? If not, it's time to go shopping! Rob Cashimere Trade Print Rochester, NY From mark at cordesprinting.com Thu Oct 9 11:07:45 2008 From: mark at cordesprinting.com (Mark Cordes) Date: Thu Oct 9 11:03:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Doc 242 w/ Creo (was End of Lease Scam) In-Reply-To: <4BFEDA44642E4E9C8F4174A82911D787@northwes2uvrwl> References: <4BFEDA44642E4E9C8F4174A82911D787@northwes2uvrwl> Message-ID: <48EE1E41.9020802@cordesprinting.com> Have you looked at the Konica/Minolta 6500? I don't have one but from everything I have heard it will probably be replacing my Xerox Doc 240 within the next couple of years. I'm tired of Xerox, the games they play with pricing and the mediocre service I get -- not to mention the fact that for all the great things I hear about Creo rips my take is Xerox and Creo never got their act together on the combination of the 240 and the Creo. Yeah it works, sort of , most of the time. But they have had to come in on numerous occasions to re-install software and there are some features I should be able to take advantage of on the Creo but have never functioned properly so we work around it and get by. That's not good when you are paying the premium for the Creo to begin with. I even had Xerox once suggest that I deal directly with Creo on an issue we were having. Excuse me, but I bought the Creo through Xerox for one very good reason -- I don't want to deal with 2 different companies who can point fingers at each other with the excuse of "it ain't us, it must be them". Anyway -- just a thought. I know Scott Cappel LOVES the Creo on the KM 6500. I can only assume that KM and Creo worked together to make sure the rip does what it is supposed to do. I don't get the feeling that was the case with Xerox and Creo, at least not on the 240. Mark Mark Cordes Cordes Printing, Inc. 460 Braen Avenue Wyckoff, NJ 07481 201.652.7272 mark@cordesprinting.com www.cordesprinting.com Jeff Swoyer wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dear Print Owners: > > I just got a proposal from Xerox for a Doc242 (with offsetting catch tray, > over-sized high capacity feeder (1 tray), and Creo RIP/Controller, which > showed the following: > > With a 60-month term lease with FMV purchase option ($928.15 per month), > color prints billed at .0539 (fixed for term of leas) and black only prints > billed at .0142 (fixed for term of lease). > > With outright purchase (less Doc3535 trade-in $39,650.00), color prints > billed at .089 (increases each year) and black only prints billed at .0129 > (increases each year). > > I've never leased a copier before, always purchased. But with the better > click charge quoted with the lease, I'm tempted to go with the lease. At > 20,000 color copies per month, that's a savings of $702.00 per month on > click charges. > > Please give me your opinion as to what you would do. > > Jeff Swoyer > Northwest Graphics, Inc. > 625 S. Lincoln Ave. > Steamboat Springs, CO 80487 > 970-879-5444 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Paula Smith > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 6:20 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] End of Lease Scam > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Ron: > > I'm with you...I will never lease another copier again. It is hard enough > keeping up with the legit requirements, forget about the bs they throw in at > the end. After doing this for 20 years now, I thought I would be > well-prepared for any possible scenario... WRONG! They are always coming up > with new tricks and hidden bits. And it's not just the leasing > companies...try reading a service contract these days! The first thing I do > is enlarge it to 11x17 and take a highlighter to it. Some of the stuff they > want you to sign is so ballsy and reprehensible, that I'm surprised they get > away with it. > > How about calling the leasing company, asking a question, getting an answer, > and then having that answer denied being given later on? How about sending a > fax, getting a confirmation, and then finding out no one ever got it? How > about a copier company agreeing to pick up old equipment and return it to > the leasing company when upgrading, and then storing the old equipment in > their own warehouse for 4 months while the leasing company still bills me??? > > Like you, I've signed my last lease, and couldn't be happier. I don't trust > copier companies or leasing companies as far as my lawyer can throw them > (and he's a pretty small guy!). > > > > Paula Smith > Curry Printing & Copy Center > 314 North Charles Street > Baltimore, Maryland 21201 > 410.685.2679 > 410.685.1018 fax > www.curryprint.com > paula@curryprint.com > "IMPOSSIBLE DEADLINES MET" > We make banners and signs! > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- >> bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart >> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:18 PM >> To: printowners >> Subject: [PrintOwners] End of Lease Scam >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Recently we ended a lease with DE LAGE LANDEN and wanted to send the >> machine >> back, as it was FMV. These jerks tried to charge us for two extra months >> ($2500) because we claimed we didn't notify them within 60-90 days. We >> did >> notify them but claimed they had no record of our letter. When we were >> arguing with them we actually were within 60-90 days of our last payment >> but >> they said the lease really ended one month before our last payment, hence >> we >> were out of their spec. Talked to the copier company and they said they >> try >> these stunts with everyone (BTW, thanks, copier company, for the >> introduction :( ) >> >> I was prepared for the end of lease scenario and they still tried to ding >> me. >> >> This will be or was my last lease, too much hassle. >> >> >> >> >> Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear >> below >> should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner >> a >> statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the >> general >> edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. >> >> "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, >> adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." >> >> ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our >> spoons" >> >> "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, >> and of the merchants a merchant." >> >> RALPH WALDO EMERSON >> >> >> >> >> Ron Taggart, President >> PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. >> 4246 Hudson Drive >> Stow, Ohio 44224 >> 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 >> www.printingconcepts.com >> ron@printingconcepts.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1714 - Release Date: 10/8/2008 >> 7:01 AM >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From sos at olympus.net Thu Oct 9 11:33:10 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Oct 9 11:33:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Doc 242 w/ Creo References: <4BFEDA44642E4E9C8F4174A82911D787@northwes2uvrwl> <48EE1E41.9020802@cordesprinting.com> Message-ID: <8893CC58BCF4439E9C494836FBB39626@DANIEL> for all the great things I hear about Creo rips my take is Xerox > and Creo never got their act together on the combination of the 240 and > the Creo. Yeah it works, sort of , most of the time. But they have had to > come in on numerous occasions to re-install software and there are some > features I should be able to take advantage of on the Creo but have never > functioned properly so we work around it and get by. ========================== That's been my experience too, with the Xerox 240/CREO Spire. We can not use the Virtual Printers that Scott raves about. We've set them up, didn't work. We had a CREO tech come in and set them up, still didn't work. When I print from InDesign, it won't duplex. Some times your heavy stock setting won't work. Sometimes it just quits printing. Sometimes it won't connect to the printer at all. Etc. etc., just odd little things crop up here and there. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From dvmonto at optonline.net Thu Oct 9 11:38:09 2008 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Thu Oct 9 11:38:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing a new digital press In-Reply-To: <003f01c92a0e$65d0eef0$5b01a8c0@fileserver> Message-ID: 'round the bowl & down the hole, roll tide roll! Dave On 10/9/08 8:56 AM, "Ed" wrote: > Roll Tide! > > Bill Farquharson > > I have heard since there have been so many arrests of players at Alabama > they are changing Roll Tide to Parole Tide. > > I could have heard bad information of course. From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Thu Oct 9 11:38:37 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Thu Oct 9 11:38:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Creo vs Fiery Message-ID: I spoke w/Scott about why he loves the Creo. His reasons are good for him. I decided to go w/the Fiery even though it cost more. He is more knowledgeable about these rips than I, but we do everything we want w/the Fiery. We have them on a Xerox production model and on a 6500. LT Desert Pacific Tucson __________________________________________________________________________________________ Anyway -- just a thought. I know Scott Cappel LOVES the Creo on the KM 6500. I can only assume that KM and Creo worked together to make sure the rip does what it is supposed to do. I don't get the feeling that was the case with Xerox and Creo, at least not on the 240. Mark Mark Cordes Cordes Printing, Inc. 460 Braen Avenue Wyckoff, NJ 07481 From mark at cordesprinting.com Thu Oct 9 11:51:34 2008 From: mark at cordesprinting.com (Mark Cordes) Date: Thu Oct 9 11:47:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Doc 242 w/ Creo In-Reply-To: <8893CC58BCF4439E9C494836FBB39626@DANIEL> References: <4BFEDA44642E4E9C8F4174A82911D787@northwes2uvrwl> <48EE1E41.9020802@cordesprinting.com> <8893CC58BCF4439E9C494836FBB39626@DANIEL> Message-ID: <48EE2886.6010301@cordesprinting.com> Dan -- as much as I am sorry for the problems you are having too I am SO RELIEVED to know it isn't just us. It's easy to think I'm the crazy one (which some of the time is true!). Mark Mark Cordes Cordes Printing, Inc. 460 Braen Avenue Wyckoff, NJ 07481 201.652.7272 mark@cordesprinting.com www.cordesprinting.com Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > for all the great things I hear about Creo rips my take is Xerox >> and Creo never got their act together on the combination of the 240 >> and the Creo. Yeah it works, sort of , most of the time. But they >> have had to come in on numerous occasions to re-install software and >> there are some features I should be able to take advantage of on the >> Creo but have never functioned properly so we work around it and get by. > ========================== > > That's been my experience too, with the Xerox 240/CREO Spire. We can > not use the Virtual Printers that Scott raves about. We've set them > up, didn't work. We had a CREO tech come in and set them up, still > didn't work. > When I print from InDesign, it won't duplex. Some times your heavy > stock setting won't work. > Sometimes it just quits printing. Sometimes it won't connect to the > printer at all. > Etc. etc., just odd little things crop up here and there. > > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From bob at gallagherprint.com Thu Oct 9 12:07:25 2008 From: bob at gallagherprint.com (Bob Gallagher) Date: Thu Oct 9 12:08:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Creo vs Fiery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/9/08 11:38 AM, "larry" wrote: We have the Fiery for our KM6500 and it does the job for us. Does anyone know if that RIP will also run a KM1050 if we get one, or do we have to buy another RIP for it. Micropress used to have a system that would run more than one box from a central station. Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 http://www.gallagherprint.com An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network From John at mpcny.com Thu Oct 9 12:23:21 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Thu Oct 9 12:23:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CIT and GE Re: End of Lease Scam Message-ID: Just look at two of the biggest are in the business and the problems they are in now. Both their leasing groups are tanking. I can see the orders coming down now, No return of security and we need to max the FMV anyway we can. Hell I may only 3 million in my year end bonus! Not the 18 million I had planned on. Most of the paper held even by other leasing firms is run though the two of them. I believe they way they have structured leasing is to get every cent they can. Is EFI in the leasing business yet? John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From gamble at choiceonemail.com Thu Oct 9 12:26:22 2008 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Thu Oct 9 12:26:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Creo vs Fiery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <82DB918E7588400D8D7152D20FE43E67@RICK> I read and read posts regarding the color and b/w copiers, I was with Xerox, Yesterday they delivered my Konica Minolta equipment after one day I can honestly say I was never so satisfied with the install training and product quality, not to mention the quality of the prints. If they hold up as I am hoping they will I am going to be very happy. JMTC Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Gallagher Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:07 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Creo vs Fiery ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On 10/9/08 11:38 AM, "larry" wrote: We have the Fiery for our KM6500 and it does the job for us. Does anyone know if that RIP will also run a KM1050 if we get one, or do we have to buy another RIP for it. Micropress used to have a system that would run more than one box from a central station. Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 http://www.gallagherprint.com An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 12:44:42 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Oct 9 12:44:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] End of Lease Scam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0810090944x664d144cj79ed20538a679355@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Ron Taggart wrote: > > This will be or was my last lease, too much hassle. I, too, have had my during and end of lease hassles. BUT, all leasing companies, fortunately, as not alike. Lease One of New England is owned by a former Sir Speedy business management consultant (David Rabinow: 508-720-0078, drabinow@leaseone.com), who knows -- and is a friend to -- our industry (though his leases are not limited to it). He is and remains your personal point of contact throughout the lease, and you'll never have to try negotiating with a call center in India! I've had similarly excellent, no hassle experience with Mart Financial Group (Matt Martorano, 800-926-8755). I would never, *ever*, lease from GE Capital or Canon Financial again, but I wouldn't hesitate to do a lease with either of these people. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Thu Oct 9 12:48:49 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Harkins) Date: Thu Oct 9 12:49:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Creo vs Fiery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/9/08 11:07 AM, "Bob Gallagher" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On 10/9/08 11:38 AM, "larry" wrote: > > We have the Fiery for our KM6500 and it does the job for us. Does anyone > know if that RIP will also run a KM1050 if we get one, or do we have to buy > another RIP for it. Micropress used to have a system that would run more > than one box from a central station. The 1050 has an embedded rip and as far as I know does not require a CREO or Fiery. We have had a 1050 for over two years and just added a second. With the right software it is possible to run them in tandem, but we haven't done that. Hope this helps. Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Oct 9 12:48:06 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Oct 9 12:50:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Creo vs Fiery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810091650.m99GodFx050062@i2bnetworks.com> RIPs are usually machine specific since they control the functionality of the peripherals as well as the engine. S. At 09:07 AM 10/9/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >On 10/9/08 11:38 AM, "larry" wrote: > >We have the Fiery for our KM6500 and it does the job for us. Does anyone >know if that RIP will also run a KM1050 if we get one, or do we have to buy >another RIP for it. Micropress used to have a system that would run more >than one box from a central station. > > >Bob Gallagher >Gallagher Printing, Inc. >601 W. Main Street >Palmyra, PA 17078 >717-838-1527 >1-888-838-1527 >Fax 717-838-5715 > >http://www.gallagherprint.com > >An Adobe Service Provider >A Microsoft Publisher Provider >Member, Adobe Solutions Network > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3507 (20081009) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From amanatranslation at yahoo.com Thu Oct 9 12:54:36 2008 From: amanatranslation at yahoo.com (nasr hussain) Date: Thu Oct 9 12:54:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Custom Printed Admission Tickets. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <479506.67512.qm@web31407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does anyone has a source for custom printed admission tickets (like admit one) that comes in a roll. TIA Nasr Hussain Amana Graphics Hamtramck, MI From joy at libertyprintgreen.com Thu Oct 9 14:02:08 2008 From: joy at libertyprintgreen.com (Joy Downing) Date: Thu Oct 9 13:02:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Custom Printed Admission Tickets. In-Reply-To: <479506.67512.qm@web31407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You might try Ticketcraft - 1-800-645-4944 Joy Downing Liberty 3021 Nashville Road Bowling Green, KY 42101 270-782-7829 LibertyPrintGreen.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of nasr hussain Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:55 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Custom Printed Admission Tickets. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does anyone has a source for custom printed admission tickets (like admit one) that comes in a roll. TIA Nasr Hussain Amana Graphics Hamtramck, MI _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu Oct 9 14:07:00 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu Oct 9 14:05:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] End of Lease Scam In-Reply-To: <20081009164907.DC5ED10CAD38@rb.enter.net> References: <20081009164907.DC5ED10CAD38@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <1B7EA59D-D87E-4FC3-95DA-EEF9098F8BB0@sheergraphics.com> > I would never, *ever*, lease from GE Capital or Canon Financial again, > but I wouldn't hesitate to do a lease with either of these people. We had a loan once, which after several successors, ended up in the hands of GE Capital. They never could get the accounting straight. They never had employees who could read a one page letter. We prepaid that loan more than one year early, which caused confusion at GE Capital who eventually screwed themselves through accounting incompetence. Another loan became a 'lease' when it was sold by the lender, Heidelberg. The illiterate purchaser of that loan also employed rude people who could not read a one page agreement, and who opined that a 'loan' was the same as a 'lease'! Far better to arrange a loan from your retail community bank, if it's possible these days. (If nobody wanted to lend money to the defunct Wall Street investment banks, who's going to lend to a printing company? Perhaps Barney Frank or Chris Dodd might want to forward their Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac political contributions!!!) Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From craig at newhavenprint.com Thu Oct 9 14:07:08 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Thu Oct 9 14:07:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Creative ideas? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48EE484C.1030906@newhavenprint.com> OK, I've got the chance to quote on a job that is really ridiculous in size. It would include (1) color sheet and (4) 2-sided black and white sheets stapled together with an envelope. I'm trying to figure out the best way to automate this as much as possible. The total quantity is a lot. There are 1300 different versions (both the color and B&W pages) of this job so it's not just a big run somebody could do on a web press. We're figuring that we'd have to rent (4) Xerox Nuveras (the 288 duplex copy per minute ones) to get this job done within the 3 month time frame required. How scary is that? Anyway, I'm looking for a creative way to include the envelope. We're thinking of running the color sheets both on press and the iGen, then using the black and white Xerox's to insert the color cover and a xerox self-contained envelope (8.5x11 sheet), then stitch it. The idea of hand stitching all these sets is crazy. Actually, this whole job is crazy, but it's for a regular customer - so what can you do. My question is: Can anyone think of a better way to do this job? The envelope really complicated things. Thanks, Craig Craig Dellinger President New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, Indiana USA Phone: 260.493.3844 Fax: 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com larry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I spoke w/Scott about why he loves the Creo. His reasons are good for him. I decided to go w/the Fiery even though it cost more. > He is more knowledgeable about these rips than I, but we do everything we want w/the Fiery. > We have them on a Xerox production model and on a 6500. > > LT > Desert Pacific > Tucson > > __________________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > Anyway -- just a thought. I know Scott Cappel LOVES the Creo on the KM > 6500. I can only assume that KM and Creo worked together to make sure > the rip does what it is supposed to do. I don't get the feeling that was > the case with Xerox and Creo, at least not on the 240. > > Mark > > Mark Cordes > > Cordes Printing, Inc. > 460 Braen Avenue > Wyckoff, NJ 07481 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > From hal at pickimp.com Thu Oct 9 14:36:38 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Thu Oct 9 14:34:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Custom Printed Admission Tickets. References: <479506.67512.qm@web31407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006701c92a3e$0164ec20$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> www.fax-a-ticket.com Located in Flint, MI great source Hal From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Thu Oct 9 15:22:44 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Thu Oct 9 15:22:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for a 3 month at a glance calendar Message-ID: <48EE5A04.2040909@sugarloafprint.com> Looking for a 12 page, 3 month at a glance calendar, 13"x27". I tried the usual, Norwood, Goes and Ennis and they don't have what the client is looking for. Anyone have any other sources? TIA -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From bill at mauiprintworks.com Thu Oct 9 15:47:20 2008 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Thu Oct 9 15:47:27 2008 Subject: URGENT, URGENT Re: Caving in... Re: [PrintOwners] Economic census In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I filled it out in less than 15 minutes and sent it in. Now NO worries. This thread has taken more time than the survey. Yes I think it was a waste of time for useless information, mine and governments, BUT if they so desire to make an example of this they can squeeze your hand pretty hard while they're shaking it. OSHA comes around periodically inspecting and laying fines on companies to keep us in line and show us they still have clout. Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com On Jun 20, 2008, at 8:36 AM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > STOP THE PRESSES - The postman (postal person) just attempted to > deliver a > certified letter re the survey and I told Mary to simply refuse it... > Damn if > she didn't... she will now probably go to prison... I may have to > testify > against her..... Serious, it is amazing that they are sending out all > these via > certified mail.... > > Hey, if we all go to prison, ask if we can be put in one wing and > maybe we > can start a special peer group. > > Someone just faxed me the copy of the survey.... We shall see who wins > this > battle.... do you really think the General Counsel of the Department of > Commerce is going to take further legal action??? What BS. > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From soneal at conestogadpi.com Thu Oct 9 15:53:45 2008 From: soneal at conestogadpi.com (Shawn O'Neal) Date: Thu Oct 9 15:54:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Wide format pricing In-Reply-To: <8CAEB1D6D1D95A1-528-1C84@webmail-dd09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <0E22E1F2E7F54F5AAF54E94A607C712F@CopierComputer> $15 each http://www.conestogadpi.com/ 246 N Lincoln Ave Lebanon PA USA 17046 ? Before printing this message, make sure that it's necessary. The environment is in our hands. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 6:55 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Wide format pricing ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** This is for owners of wide format equipment. I have an order that is due Thursday. 100 posters 17" x 22". Just wanted to clarify what I want to quote. I'm asking for $7.25 ea. What would you charge? Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jann at bobdrake.com Thu Oct 9 17:21:53 2008 From: jann at bobdrake.com (Jann) Date: Thu Oct 9 16:21:54 2008 Subject: URGENT, URGENT Re: Caving in... Re: [PrintOwners] Economic census In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081009202151.939A310CB8B6@rb.enter.net> Law enforcement, government agencies, always go after the law-abiding especially when it comes to fines and money. Why? Criminals don't care and don't abide and don't pay. And we all know how efficient bureaucracy is when it digs in. I know, just tell them you are an 'undocumented' visitor and are afraid of being caught and deported, so it would be an unfair hardship on you. Jann At 11:47 AM 10/9/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I filled it out in less than 15 minutes and sent it in. Now NO >worries. This thread has taken more time than the survey. Yes I >think it was a waste of time for useless information, mine and >governments, BUT if they so desire to make an example of this they >can squeeze your hand pretty hard while they're shaking it. OSHA >comes around periodically inspecting and laying fines on companies >to keep us in line and show us they still have clout. > >Bill Marsh >Maui Print Works >70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 >(808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 >bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com >On Jun 20, 2008, at 8:36 AM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>STOP THE PRESSES - The postman (postal person) just attempted to deliver a >>certified letter re the survey and I told Mary to simply refuse >>it... Damn if >>she didn't... she will now probably go to prison... I may have to testify >>against her..... Serious, it is amazing that they are sending out >>all these via >>certified mail.... >> >>Hey, if we all go to prison, ask if we can be put in one wing and maybe we >>can start a special peer group. >> >>Someone just faxed me the copy of the survey.... We shall see who wins this >>battle.... do you really think the General Counsel of the Department of >>Commerce is going to take further legal action??? What BS. >> >> >>John Stewart >>Q. P. Consulting, Inc. >>Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) >> >>by Larry Hunt & John Stewart >> >>2110 S. Dairy Road >>West Melbourne, FL 32904 >>321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 >>Cell: 321-794-6259 >>_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) >>"Winners analyze, losers rationalize." >> >> >> >>**************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for >>fuel-efficient used cars. >>(http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > Jann Leger jann@bobdrake.com Art Department Bob Drake Reproductions, Inc. 1.800.221.3673 www.bobdrake.com From k_graham at hotmail.com Thu Oct 9 16:44:39 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Thu Oct 9 16:43:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Doc 242 w/ Creo References: <4BFEDA44642E4E9C8F4174A82911D787@northwes2uvrwl><48EE1E41.9020802@cordesprinting.com><8893CC58BCF4439E9C494836FBB39626@DANIEL> <48EE2886.6010301@cordesprinting.com> Message-ID: The question is, can you find a unit not having the troubles - perhaps in Xerox showroom? We have a Xerox 240 and 250, same software, same Fiery's First one worked out of the box, the other would work a few days then it would not calibrate to anything but paper setting. We swapped Fiery,s not copiers between shops so I could have the problem unit close the problem came along so it was the Fiery not the Copier.. Xerox went through a couple re-installs of software, same problem. Replaced hard disk, no help. They cloned a hard disk with a known good unit in one of their demo offices, success. They suggested the software CD's were faulty though there was no install error and have provided replacement disks though I fear the day I have to use them in case the CD also is faulty. I might add I sent in a letter to Xerox asking for their replacement unit guarantee which seemed to provide them the incentive to fix the issue. At least Xerox fixed it, with the cpp500 it was something like a 7x7 step procecdure for software upgrades and they never did say that a print driver replacement was also necessary on the computer workstations to match the upgraded RIP software. Which gets back to the unfortunate truth, the right unit for you also relies on having the right people located in your area. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Cordes" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Doc 242 w/ Creo > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dan -- > > as much as I am sorry for the problems you are having too I am SO > RELIEVED to know it isn't just us. It's easy to think I'm the crazy one > (which some of the time is true!). > > Mark > > Mark Cordes > > Cordes Printing, Inc. > 460 Braen Avenue > Wyckoff, NJ 07481 > > 201.652.7272 > > mark@cordesprinting.com > > www.cordesprinting.com > Dan Huntingford wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > for all the great things I hear about Creo rips my take is Xerox > >> and Creo never got their act together on the combination of the 240 > >> and the Creo. Yeah it works, sort of , most of the time. But they > >> have had to come in on numerous occasions to re-install software and > >> there are some features I should be able to take advantage of on the > >> Creo but have never functioned properly so we work around it and get by. > > ========================== > > > > That's been my experience too, with the Xerox 240/CREO Spire. We can > > not use the Virtual Printers that Scott raves about. We've set them > > up, didn't work. We had a CREO tech come in and set them up, still > > didn't work. > > When I print from InDesign, it won't duplex. Some times your heavy > > stock setting won't work. > > Sometimes it just quits printing. Sometimes it won't connect to the > > printer at all. > > Etc. etc., just odd little things crop up here and there. > > > > > > Dan Huntingford > > SOS Printing > > 2319 Washington Street > > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > > sos@olympus.net > > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu Oct 9 17:51:43 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu Oct 9 17:52:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with Message-ID: <8CAF8705A7AB195-15DC-73A@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com> I have a customer that does 300 - 500 a month with us. They use around 17 different forms that we have on our system. We recently sent out self stick envelopes to be done. We quoted the order before sending out to be printed. Now the purchaser says that we are over $854 more than the printer they used for this type of envelopes. Her boss requested that I give him back product to justify my cost being higher than their other vendor. The order cost me $712 (Western Envelopes) I sold it for $1512 w/set-up. They wouldn't tell me who charge that, but I told them that if they were charging that little they won't be around very long. How would you deal with this? Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Thu Oct 9 18:02:50 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Thu Oct 9 18:04:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with In-Reply-To: <8CAF8705A7AB195-15DC-73A@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAF8705A7AB195-15DC-73A@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: If I'm meeting with someone, or this situation comes up, I tell them I will never be the cheapest printer. I say you can't get best quality, best service and lowest price and stay in business very long. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 4:52 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a customer that does 300 - 500 a month with us. They use around 17 different forms that we have on our system. We recently sent out self stick envelopes to be done. We quoted the order before sending out to be printed. Now the purchaser says that we are over $854 more than the printer they used for this type of envelopes. Her boss requested that I give him back product to justify my cost being higher than their other vendor. The order cost me $712 (Western Envelopes) I sold it for $1512 w/set-up. They wouldn't tell me who charge that, but I told them that if they were charging that little they won't be around very long. How would you deal with this? Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Oct 9 18:21:34 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Oct 9 18:24:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with In-Reply-To: <8CAF8705A7AB195-15DC-73A@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAF8705A7AB195-15DC-73A@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <200810092224.m99MO7id028729@i2bnetworks.com> Well along the same vein, we had a client that we've had for over 10 years now ( a biotech) send me an email today inviting us to bid on the printing we've been doing for them all this time. Corporate is trying to lower cost by sending our work out to bid. Here's my response verbatim: ___________________________________________________________________ You already know what are pricing is. You know if you put this out to bid in this environment you will certainly get pricing lower from starving printing companies grasping for business. Your designer specified the most expensive paper available in the marketplace. We have complied with your every wish. If lowering costs is truly the goal here, I have a myriad of ideas to help you accomplish this. We will create your pricing matrix for you, but I know that we will not be the lowest price. But we stand ready to work with you lowering your costs by adjusting specs if you would like to talk. Let me know your thoughts. Scott ____________________________________________________________________ We'll do their matrix, and then we'll have a meeting. If it turns out that price is now more important than the excellent service we've been giving them all these years, then we're not a good fit anymore. Things change, you do the best you can, but they change. If its no longer a fit, its no longer a fit. There's plenty more business out there to get. S. At 02:51 PM 10/9/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I have a customer that does 300 - 500 a month with us. They use >around 17 different forms that we have on our system. We recently >sent out self stick envelopes to be done. We quoted the order before >sending out to be printed. Now the purchaser says that we are over >$854 more than the printer they used for this type of envelopes. Her >boss requested that I give him back product to justify my cost being >higher than their other vendor. The order cost me $712 (Western >Envelopes) I sold it for $1512 w/set-up. They wouldn't tell me who >charge that, but I told them that if they were charging that little >they won't be around very long. How would you deal with this? > > >Copy That, Inc. >"Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" >3515 E. Tremont Avenue >Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >718.892.1859 >718.892.2315 Fax >www.copythatnyc.com >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3508 (20081009) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From greg at pressexpress.org Thu Oct 9 18:43:55 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Thu Oct 9 18:44:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with In-Reply-To: <8CAF8705A7AB195-15DC-73A@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAF8705A7AB195-15DC-73A@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <0B44CB70-07EC-41F8-BC42-9A7545785A17@pressexpress.org> They sound like a good customer and monthly repeat orders are gravy so keeping them is important, however, too many people play games and I have caught people lying about getting it cheaper just to get better pricing. But rather than telling them you think that they might be lying, ask for a copy of the competitive invoice so you may compare and VERIFY that the specs are accurate. Quite often, I find that they are comparing peaches to apples. Heck, they might be getting plain jane number 10's? But it appears that your scenario is different. First of all, you said that you quoted it to them. They must have given you the go ahead to print based on the price you provided, so you printed and invoiced the customer. Now after they get the envelopes, they complain about pricing? Just about every printer is different. Using different equipment and thus giving different pricing. I can do 4 color process on my Heidelberg QM 46-2 (two color, two passes, two sides) but it is much more efficient to print process with a 26 inch 6 color and therefore, walk all over me price wise. Perhaps someone is more efficient at processing the envelopes (but I don't see how). Split the difference and move on??? 300-500/month is not a bad little account. Interesting to see how this unfolds. Greg On Oct 9, 2008, at 4:51 PM, Tommy Melendez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a customer that does 300 - 500 a month with us. They use > around 17 different forms that we have on our system. We recently > sent out self stick envelopes to be done. We quoted the order before > sending out to be printed. Now the purchaser says that we are over > $854 more than the printer they used for this type of envelopes. Her > boss requested that I give him back product to justify my cost being > higher than their other vendor. The order cost me $712 (Western > Envelopes) I sold it for $1512 w/set-up. They wouldn't tell me who > charge that, but I told them that if they were charging that little > they won't be around very long. How would you deal with this? > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From sos at olympus.net Thu Oct 9 18:50:30 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Oct 9 18:50:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with References: <8CAF8705A7AB195-15DC-73A@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <495F49E7A09044C69821B7BE072390C2@DANIEL> > If I'm meeting with someone, or this situation comes up, I tell them I > will > never be the cheapest printer. I say you can't get best quality, best > service and lowest price and stay in business very long. Now the purchaser says that we are over $854 more than the printer > they used for this type of envelopes. Her boss requested that I give him > back product to justify my cost being higher than their other vendor. The > order cost me $712 (Western Envelopes) I sold it for > $1512 w/set-up. They wouldn't tell me who charge that, ================================ Why won't they tell you who charged that? Why did they change? Sounds like they got them wholesale before. Maybe that company realized their mistake and won't deal with them anymore. I'd have charged around $1200 for that order, depending on how much shipping was and how much set up was involved, by the way. That is a 40% mark up. But a 50% mark up isn't outrageous. And what do you mean by "give him back product?" Oh and remember, customer's lie. They really do. They think of it as negotiating or something, but they will just out and out lie to you. You have to know that your prices are fair and have a little backbone about it. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Oct 9 19:05:46 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Thu Oct 9 19:05:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hot Checks coming in....: ( Message-ID: <01c001c92a63$9031ee10$6401a8c0@coranew> I had two checks returned today for insufficient funds from customers that I thought were OK. One I have been dealing with forever and he usually pays with cash and the other one is an advertising agency from Dallas that I just started working with. Both apologized and the one that I have known for a long time just brought me a certified check with overage on it and the other one is supposed to pay me by the end of the week. $800 in one day is tough Thank goodness we've been doing pretty well lately and I had enough in savings to cover it until they get their payments in Guess I need to start watching closer now that the economy is getting bad. First problem that I have had in a long time. Cora. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 201-1345 Fax cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From sundance_print at yahoo.com Thu Oct 9 19:13:36 2008 From: sundance_print at yahoo.com (Wes Cornwell) Date: Thu Oct 9 19:13:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Update removal Message-ID: <849258.69487.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I installed the SP3 and it crashed (I mean crashed ) my pc. It cost me $660 to have my whole hard drive put back together again. Lord, how I hate PC's Wes Cornwell Sundance Printing 10240 Progress Lane Parker, CO 80134 303-841-3094 ----- Original Message ---- From: Dennis Ewing To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2008 8:14:40 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Update removal ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Why not install SP3? They have the kinks out of it now. I waited until a couple of weeks a go to bring all my systems to SP3. Of the 6 XP boxes I have none experienced any problems. All are running AMD CPUs. If you really don't want to install it, uncheck it and when prompted check the box that will skip the unchecked updates. I can't remember the exact wording. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax larry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi, I'd like to delete the update that several PC's want to install. How would I go about doing this. It's the sp3 service pack that I want to delete. > > Thanks, Larry > Desert pacific Printing > Tucson > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Oct 9 19:49:09 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Oct 9 19:49:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with Message-ID: In a message dated 10/9/2008 6:25:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: You already know what are pricing is. I hope that "are" didn't go through verbatim. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu Oct 9 20:10:33 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu Oct 9 20:10:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with In-Reply-To: <495F49E7A09044C69821B7BE072390C2@DANIEL> References: <8CAF8705A7AB195-15DC-73A@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com> <495F49E7A09044C69821B7BE072390C2@DANIEL> Message-ID: <8CAF883BF56C7FB-15DC-E8A@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com> Product - instead of cash back they will except print jobs for the difference! Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Dan Huntingford To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 6:50 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? > If I'm meeting with someone, or this situation comes up, I tell them I > will? > never be the cheapest printer. I say you can't get best quality, best? > service and lowest price and stay in business very long.? Now the purchaser says that we are over $854 more than the printer? > they used for this type of envelopes. Her boss requested that I give him? > back product to justify my cost being higher than their other vendor. The? > order cost me $712 (Western Envelopes) I sold it for? > $1512 w/set-up. They wouldn't tell me who charge that,? ================================? ? Why won't they tell you who charged that? Why did they change?? Sounds like they got them wholesale before. Maybe that company realized their mistake and won't deal with them anymore.? ? I'd have charged around20$1200 for that order, depending on how much shipping was and how much set up was involved, by the way. That is a 40% mark up. But a 50% mark up isn't outrageous.? ? And what do you mean by "give him back product?"? ? Oh and remember, customer's lie. They really do. They think of it as negotiating or something, but they will just out and out lie to you. You have to know that your prices are fair and have a little backbone about it.? ? Dan Huntingford? SOS Printing? 2319 Washington Street? Port Townsend, WA 98368? Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF? sos@olympus.net? (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Oct 9 20:09:23 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Oct 9 20:12:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810100011.m9A0BuHD047903@i2bnetworks.com> It did. I've been hanging around with JH too much..... S. At 04:49 PM 10/9/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >In a message dated 10/9/2008 6:25:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: > >You already know what are pricing is. > > > >I hope that "are" didn't go through verbatim. > >John Stewart >The Quick Consultant >_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) >321-727-2442 >FAX 321-727-2166 >Cell: 321-794-6259 >2110 S. Dairy Road >West Melbourne, FL 32904 > >Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) >By Larry Hunt and myself. > > > >**************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. >Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! >(http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3509 (20081009) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Oct 9 20:21:01 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Oct 9 20:21:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with Message-ID: In a message dated 10/9/2008 8:17:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: It did. I've been hanging around with JH too much..... If either of us come into power, we have to agree that John Henry will not be allowed a keyboard in our administration. Agreed? John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Oct 9 20:26:50 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Oct 9 20:29:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810100029.m9A0TN0Z050239@i2bnetworks.com> Agreed. We'll make him sit in a windowless cell and force him to prophesize about EFI so we'll know the best moments to sell the stock short. S. At 05:21 PM 10/9/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >In a message dated 10/9/2008 8:17:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: > >It did. I've been hanging around with JH too much..... > > > > > >If either of us come into power, we have to agree that John Henry will not >be allowed a keyboard in our administration. Agreed? > >John Stewart >The Quick Consultant >_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) >321-727-2442 >FAX 321-727-2166 >Cell: 321-794-6259 >2110 S. Dairy Road >West Melbourne, FL 32904 > >Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) >By Larry Hunt and myself. > > > >**************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. >Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! >(http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3509 (20081009) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From char at themasterspress.com Thu Oct 9 23:47:44 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Thu Oct 9 23:47:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Creo vs Fiery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bob I just got a 1050. It has it's own internal rip and that is it. I research the same thing. No go. Charlene On 10/9/08 11:07 AM, "Bob Gallagher" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On 10/9/08 11:38 AM, "larry" wrote: > > We have the Fiery for our KM6500 and it does the job for us. Does anyone > know if that RIP will also run a KM1050 if we get one, or do we have to buy > another RIP for it. Micropress used to have a system that would run more > than one box from a central station. > > > Bob Gallagher > Gallagher Printing, Inc. > 601 W. Main Street > Palmyra, PA 17078 > 717-838-1527 > 1-888-838-1527 > Fax 717-838-5715 > > http://www.gallagherprint.com > > An Adobe Service Provider > A Microsoft Publisher Provider > Member, Adobe Solutions Network > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > Charlene Sims The Master?s Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 Fax 972-404-0317 Char@themasterspress.com From char at themasterspress.com Fri Oct 10 00:30:30 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Fri Oct 10 00:30:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Creative ideas? In-Reply-To: <48EE484C.1030906@newhavenprint.com> Message-ID: Craig can you print and then collate and staple on an offline system like a collator, stapler. Not sure whether my Horizon will collate an envelope or not. It does everything else. ch On 10/9/08 1:07 PM, "Craig Dellinger" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > OK, I've got the chance to quote on a job that is really ridiculous in > size. It would include (1) color sheet and (4) 2-sided black and white > sheets stapled together with an envelope. I'm trying to figure out the > best way to automate this as much as possible. The total quantity is a > lot. There are 1300 different versions (both the color and B&W pages) of > this job so it's not just a big run somebody could do on a web press. > We're figuring that we'd have to rent (4) Xerox Nuveras (the 288 duplex > copy per minute ones) to get this job done within the 3 month time frame > required. How scary is that? Anyway, I'm looking for a creative way to > include the envelope. We're thinking of running the color sheets both on > press and the iGen, then using the black and white Xerox's to insert the > color cover and a xerox self-contained envelope (8.5x11 sheet), then > stitch it. The idea of hand stitching all these sets is crazy. Actually, > this whole job is crazy, but it's for a regular customer - so what can > you do. > My question is: Can anyone think of a better way to do this job? The > envelope really complicated things. > > Thanks, > Craig > > Craig Dellinger > President > New Haven Print & Copy > 7531 US 930 East > Fort Wayne, Indiana USA > Phone: 260.493.3844 > Fax: 260.493.3579 > www.newhavenprint.com > > > > larry wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I spoke w/Scott about why he loves the Creo. His reasons are good for him. >> I decided to go w/the Fiery even though it cost more. >> He is more knowledgeable about these rips than I, but we do everything we >> want w/the Fiery. >> We have them on a Xerox production model and on a 6500. >> >> LT >> Desert Pacific >> Tucson >> >> _____________________________________________________________________________ >> _____________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Anyway -- just a thought. I know Scott Cappel LOVES the Creo on the KM >> 6500. I can only assume that KM and Creo worked together to make sure >> the rip does what it is supposed to do. I don't get the feeling that was >> the case with Xerox and Creo, at least not on the 240. >> >> Mark >> >> Mark Cordes >> >> Cordes Printing, Inc. >> 460 Braen Avenue >> Wyckoff, NJ 07481 >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > Charlene Sims The Master?s Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 Fax 972-404-0317 Char@themasterspress.com From craig at newhavenprint.com Fri Oct 10 07:49:01 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Fri Oct 10 07:49:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Creative ideas? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48EF412D.9090003@newhavenprint.com> I don't think either of our Horizon systems would do that reliably - the envelope wouldn't jog. Plus, it would take too long. I didn't mention it in the previous email, but it's for 11,000,000 sets. Ouch. Xerox gave us a quote on self-contained envelopes (8.5x11 sheets) that could run through the copiers. They're expensive, but I think that's the way I'm going to quote it. I'm sure we won't get the job anyway. I'm going to price it really high, but then again, maybe it's going to scare the other couple people that are quoting it also. Thanks, Craig Craig Dellinger President New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, Indiana USA Phone: 260.493.3844 Fax: 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com Charlene Sims wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Craig can you print and then collate and staple on an offline system like a > collator, stapler. Not sure whether my Horizon will collate an envelope or > not. It does everything else. > ch > > > On 10/9/08 1:07 PM, "Craig Dellinger" wrote: > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> OK, I've got the chance to quote on a job that is really ridiculous in >> size. It would include (1) color sheet and (4) 2-sided black and white >> sheets stapled together with an envelope. I'm trying to figure out the >> best way to automate this as much as possible. The total quantity is a >> lot. There are 1300 different versions (both the color and B&W pages) of >> this job so it's not just a big run somebody could do on a web press. >> We're figuring that we'd have to rent (4) Xerox Nuveras (the 288 duplex >> copy per minute ones) to get this job done within the 3 month time frame >> required. How scary is that? Anyway, I'm looking for a creative way to >> include the envelope. We're thinking of running the color sheets both on >> press and the iGen, then using the black and white Xerox's to insert the >> color cover and a xerox self-contained envelope (8.5x11 sheet), then >> stitch it. The idea of hand stitching all these sets is crazy. Actually, >> this whole job is crazy, but it's for a regular customer - so what can >> you do. >> My question is: Can anyone think of a better way to do this job? The >> envelope really complicated things. >> >> Thanks, >> Craig >> >> Craig Dellinger >> President >> New Haven Print & Copy >> 7531 US 930 East >> Fort Wayne, Indiana USA >> Phone: 260.493.3844 >> Fax: 260.493.3579 >> www.newhavenprint.com >> >> >> >> larry wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> I spoke w/Scott about why he loves the Creo. His reasons are good for him. >>> I decided to go w/the Fiery even though it cost more. >>> He is more knowledgeable about these rips than I, but we do everything we >>> want w/the Fiery. >>> We have them on a Xerox production model and on a 6500. >>> >>> LT >>> Desert Pacific >>> Tucson >>> >>> _____________________________________________________________________________ >>> _____________ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Anyway -- just a thought. I know Scott Cappel LOVES the Creo on the KM >>> 6500. I can only assume that KM and Creo worked together to make sure >>> the rip does what it is supposed to do. I don't get the feeling that was >>> the case with Xerox and Creo, at least not on the 240. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> Mark Cordes >>> >>> Cordes Printing, Inc. >>> 460 Braen Avenue >>> Wyckoff, NJ 07481 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ >>> >>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > Charlene Sims > The Master?s Press, Inc. > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > 972-387-0046 > Fax 972-404-0317 > Char@themasterspress.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > From bherion at bucksdigital.com Fri Oct 10 07:41:49 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Fri Oct 10 07:49:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Wide Format Pricing In-Reply-To: <20081009224422.254E310CBEA7@rb.enter.net> References: <20081009224422.254E310CBEA7@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20081010073831.034c5008@bucksdigital.com> $13. and after seeing this post, I think I'll broker them to Tommy :) At 06:44 PM 10/9/2008, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:53:45 -0400 >From: "Shawn O'Neal" >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] RE: Wide format pricing >To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > >Message-ID: <0E22E1F2E7F54F5AAF54E94A607C712F@CopierComputer> > >$15 each > >http://www.conestogadpi.com/ > > 246 N Lincoln Ave Lebanon PA USA 17046 >? Before printing this message, make sure that it's necessary. > The environment is in our hands. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez >Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 6:55 PM >To: printowners@printweb.org >Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Wide format pricing > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >This is for owners of wide format equipment. I have an order that is >due Thursday. 100 posters 17" x 22". Just wanted to clarify what I want >to quote. > >I'm asking for $7.25 ea. What would you charge? > > >Copy That, Inc. >"Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" >3515 E. Tremont Avenue >Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >718.892.1859 >718.892.2315 Fax >www.copythatnyc.com Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! NEW - GLOSS AND SATIN UV COATING We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From John at mpcny.com Fri Oct 10 07:20:36 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Fri Oct 10 07:49:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with In-Reply-To: <20081010002934.7CD3C10CC207@rb.enter.net> References: <20081010002934.7CD3C10CC207@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: As long as Sarah Palin is sharing office with me I am ok with that. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From rsmith at smithprintinginc.com Fri Oct 10 08:15:45 2008 From: rsmith at smithprintinginc.com (Randy Smith) Date: Fri Oct 10 08:00:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for a Vendor to Print on File Folders Message-ID: <72300BE34FD24F68BA7FD657D4AB510F@SMITHPRINT.local> We have a client who needs 2M legal size file folders printed. Any suggestions on who might produce this type of job? Thanks for your help. Randy Smith Smith Printing Company, Inc. P.O.Box 37 Leeds, AL 35094 Office: 205.699.2284 Fax: 205.699.8660 e-mail: rsmith@smithprintinginc.com From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Fri Oct 10 08:53:10 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Fri Oct 10 08:53:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Update removal In-Reply-To: <849258.69487.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <849258.69487.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48EF5036.4070702@sugarloafprint.com> And the reason you didn't do a complete harddrive backup before you installed SP3 is? External harddrive - $100 Arconis True Image - $50 Knowing you can easily restore your system - Priceless Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 Wes Cornwell wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I installed the SP3 and it crashed (I mean crashed ) my pc. It cost me $660 to have my whole hard drive put back together again. Lord, how I hate PC's > > > Wes Cornwell > Sundance Printing > 10240 Progress Lane > Parker, CO 80134 > 303-841-3094 > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Dennis Ewing > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2008 8:14:40 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Update removal > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Why not install SP3? They have the kinks out of it now. I waited until a > couple of weeks a go to bring all my systems to SP3. Of the 6 XP boxes I > have none experienced any problems. All are running AMD CPUs. If you > really don't want to install it, uncheck it and when prompted check the > box that will skip the unchecked updates. I can't remember the exact > wording. > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > Ewing and Sons Printing > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > San Antonio, TX 78233 > dennisewing@satx.rr.com > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com > 210/650-5311 > 210/650-9916 Fax > > > > larry wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Hi, I'd like to delete the update that several PC's want to install. How would I go about doing this. It's the sp3 service pack that I want to delete. >> >> Thanks, Larry >> Desert pacific Printing >> Tucson >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From jdaghir at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 09:02:27 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Fri Oct 10 09:02:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] End of Lease Scam In-Reply-To: <4BFEDA44642E4E9C8F4174A82911D787@northwes2uvrwl> References: <4BFEDA44642E4E9C8F4174A82911D787@northwes2uvrwl> Message-ID: <83d5b9620810100602g38dca649y8b2d02a341097435@mail.gmail.com> I think the lower click charges with a lease versus an outright purchase is pretty standard with Xerox. At least every proposal I've gotten from them has been structured that way. I haven't kept up with pricing on the 242 so I can't really comment on the lease or purchase prices but the color click charges with the outright purchase seems high to me. I pay $0.075 on my c500 & $0.092 on my old Doc 12. We run around 17,000 clicks per month. A 60 month lease is a LONG time for a copier - I wouldn't do a lease that long. At the rate things change in the copier world it will be outdated and obsolete before the lease is over. If it doesn't look econmoically feasible on a 36 month lease I would question if it's really a sound investment. And I don't like FMV leases - typically the lessor's idea of FMV and yours are miles apart. I'd see if you can negotiate a range of FMV values or look at a dollar buyout lease - a capital lease instead of an operating lease. But there are tax differences between the two. If you haven't done so already I would subscribe to Larry Hunt's color copier newsletter. He collects and complies proposals from all his subscribes and publishes them every month in the newsletter. It gives you a real good feel for what others are paying for their copiers. He will also evaluate any proposal you have and give you his opinion on them. Well worth the subscription fee. http://www.larryhunt.com/ -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Jeff Swoyer wrote: Jeff said: > I just got a proposal from Xerox for a Doc242 (with offsetting catch tray, > over-sized high capacity feeder (1 tray), and Creo RIP/Controller, which > showed the following: > > With a 60-month term lease with FMV purchase option ($928.15 per month), > color prints billed at .0539 (fixed for term of leas) and black only prints > billed at .0142 (fixed for term of lease). > > With outright purchase (less Doc3535 trade-in $39,650.00), color prints > billed at .089 (increases each year) and black only prints billed at .0129 > (increases each year). > > I've never leased a copier before, always purchased. But with the better > click charge quoted with the lease, I'm tempted to go with the lease. At > 20,000 color copies per month, that's a savings of $702.00 per month on > click charges. From stalprint at charter.net Fri Oct 10 09:21:38 2008 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Fri Oct 10 09:21:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for a Vendor to Print on File Folders In-Reply-To: <72300BE34FD24F68BA7FD657D4AB510F@SMITHPRINT.local> References: <72300BE34FD24F68BA7FD657D4AB510F@SMITHPRINT.local> Message-ID: <48EF56E2.2070805@charter.net> http://www.intfiling.com/ Randy Smith wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We have a client who needs 2M legal size file folders printed. Any >suggestions on who might produce this type of job? > > > >Thanks for your help. > > > >Randy Smith > >Smith Printing Company, Inc. > >P.O.Box 37 > >Leeds, AL 35094 > >Office: 205.699.2284 > >Fax: 205.699.8660 > >e-mail: rsmith@smithprintinginc.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From jacemeister at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 09:33:05 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Fri Oct 10 09:33:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with In-Reply-To: <200810092224.m99MO7id028729@i2bnetworks.com> References: <8CAF8705A7AB195-15DC-73A@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com> <200810092224.m99MO7id028729@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: Scott, I don't disagree with your approach but I can remember spending countless hours with clients showing them how to save money only to have them take my ideas to other printers. One even called me a few months later to ask me to help him with the wording on his bid, yet had the gall to make it clear to me the cheapest price would get the job. I did help him once jsut to see if I could sway him. It became apparant he was never going to work with me so the next time he called I told him I'd be more than happy to help him but my rate is $200 per hour. Fortunately this is not an everyday occurrance. The customers who really get to me are those who spend thousands of dollars having stationery designed by some out of state agency then bring it to us asking how they can save money on the printing. We ultimately end up redesigning it for a few hundred dollars. We do end up with the printing but to think of the ludicrous prices some of these agencies are charging. Don't get me wrong, it doesn't bother me that they are making lots of money. What does bother me is that they don't have their customer's best interest in mind. You don't design $2,000 stationery for someone with a $300 budget. Jace On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Well along the same vein, we had a client that we've had for over 10 years > now ( a biotech) send me an email today inviting us to bid on the printing > we've been doing for them all this time. Corporate is trying to lower cost > by sending our work out to bid. Here's my response verbatim: > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > > You already know what are pricing is. > > You know if you put this out to bid in this environment you will certainly > get pricing lower from starving printing companies grasping for business. > > Your designer specified the most expensive paper available in the > marketplace. We have complied with your every wish. > > If lowering costs is truly the goal here, I have a myriad of ideas to help > you accomplish this. > > We will create your pricing matrix for you, but I know that we will not be > the lowest price. > > But we stand ready to work with you lowering your costs by adjusting specs > if you would like to talk. > > Let me know your thoughts. > > Scott > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > We'll do their matrix, and then we'll have a meeting. If it turns out that > price is now more important than the excellent service we've been giving > them all these years, then we're not a good fit anymore. > > Things change, you do the best you can, but they change. > > If its no longer a fit, its no longer a fit. There's plenty more business > out there to get. > > > S. > > > > > > > > > > At 02:51 PM 10/9/2008, you wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I have a customer that does 300 - 500 a month with us. They use around 17 >> different forms that we have on our system. We recently sent out self stick >> envelopes to be done. We quoted the order before sending out to be printed. >> Now the purchaser says that we are over $854 more than the printer they used >> for this type of envelopes. Her boss requested that I give him back product >> to justify my cost being higher than their other vendor. The order cost me >> $712 (Western Envelopes) I sold it for $1512 w/set-up. They wouldn't tell me >> who charge that, but I told them that if they were charging that little they >> won't be around very long. How would you deal with this? >> >> >> Copy That, Inc. >> "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" >> 3515 E. Tremont Avenue >> Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >> 718.892.1859 >> 718.892.2315 Fax >> www.copythatnyc.com >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3508 (20081009) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com From kellycrom at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 10:00:29 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Fri Oct 10 10:00:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Film output question Message-ID: <000801c92ae0$8f102290$ad3067b0$@com> For those of you who still output film(or remember from your own personal history), we have a problem we've fought for quite some time. When outputting film(we have a Lino 530 w/Harlequin RIP), we run into the issue of getting hard edges on drop shadows/vignettes that go down to the 3-5% range. Any suggestions as to how to remedy this would be a great help. BTW, we typically output at 175lpi at 2540dpi. Thanks in advance, Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! From greg at pressexpress.org Fri Oct 10 10:25:14 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Fri Oct 10 10:25:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with In-Reply-To: References: <8CAF8705A7AB195-15DC-73A@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com> <200810092224.m99MO7id028729@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: Jace is onto something here. Peoples mentality is that because you are an ad agency, you are allowed to charge bookoo bucks, but since we are printers we are not allowed to charge anything. I had a customer, first name basis, that I have been doing his menu for 15 years now. He insisted to keep cost down so they were always one color black on red card stock. (black and red were the restaurant colors). I go dining there last week and see a full color menu with pictures of food, etc. He spent $3,000 for the agency to come into his restaurant, shoot a half dozen pictures of his entree's and do a full color menu that they ran out on a desktop color laser printer. He never once asked me because he said "because I was a printer, he didn't think we did that kind of thing". And yes, I too can take a picture with my Canon EOS digital camera. $3,000! 15 years! Burns me up! I bet the guy that took the pictures got the eat the gourmet entr?e's too! I state that I offer "ad agency" style design but no one seems to care since it is still a printing company. Greg On Oct 10, 2008, at 8:33 AM, Jace Prejean wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Scott, > > I don't disagree with your approach but I can remember spending > countless > hours with clients showing them how to save money only to have them > take my > ideas to other printers. One even called me a few months later to > ask me to > help him with the wording on his bid, yet had the gall to make it > clear to > me the cheapest price would get the job. I did help him once jsut to > see if > I could sway him. It became apparant he was never going to work with > me so > the next time he called I told him I'd be more than happy to help > him but my > rate is $200 per hour. > > Fortunately this is not an everyday occurrance. The customers who > really get > to me are those who spend thousands of dollars having stationery > designed by > some out of state agency then bring it to us asking how they can > save money > on the printing. We ultimately end up redesigning it for a few hundred > dollars. We do end up with the printing but to think of the > ludicrous prices > some of these agencies are charging. Don't get me wrong, it doesn't > bother > me that they are making lots of money. What does bother me is that > they > don't have their customer's best interest in mind. You don't design > $2,000 > stationery for someone with a $300 budget. > > Jace > > > > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Scott Cappel > wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> Well along the same vein, we had a client that we've had for over >> 10 years >> now ( a biotech) send me an email today inviting us to bid on the >> printing >> we've been doing for them all this time. Corporate is trying to >> lower cost >> by sending our work out to bid. Here's my response verbatim: >> >> ___________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> You already know what are pricing is. >> >> You know if you put this out to bid in this environment you will >> certainly >> get pricing lower from starving printing companies grasping for >> business. >> >> Your designer specified the most expensive paper available in the >> marketplace. We have complied with your every wish. >> >> If lowering costs is truly the goal here, I have a myriad of ideas >> to help >> you accomplish this. >> >> We will create your pricing matrix for you, but I know that we will >> not be >> the lowest price. >> >> But we stand ready to work with you lowering your costs by >> adjusting specs >> if you would like to talk. >> >> Let me know your thoughts. >> >> Scott >> >> ____________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> We'll do their matrix, and then we'll have a meeting. If it turns >> out that >> price is now more important than the excellent service we've been >> giving >> them all these years, then we're not a good fit anymore. >> >> Things change, you do the best you can, but they change. >> >> If its no longer a fit, its no longer a fit. There's plenty more >> business >> out there to get. >> >> >> S. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 02:51 PM 10/9/2008, you wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> I have a customer that does 300 - 500 a month with us. They use >>> around 17 >>> different forms that we have on our system. We recently sent out >>> self stick >>> envelopes to be done. We quoted the order before sending out to be >>> printed. >>> Now the purchaser says that we are over $854 more than the printer >>> they used >>> for this type of envelopes. Her boss requested that I give him >>> back product >>> to justify my cost being higher than their other vendor. The order >>> cost me >>> $712 (Western Envelopes) I sold it for $1512 w/set-up. They >>> wouldn't tell me >>> who charge that, but I told them that if they were charging that >>> little they >>> won't be around very long. How would you deal with this? >>> >>> >>> Copy That, Inc. >>> "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" >>> 3515 E. Tremont Avenue >>> Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >>> 718.892.1859 >>> 718.892.2315 Fax >>> www.copythatnyc.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> __________ NOD32 3508 (20081009) Information __________ >>> >>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Scott Cappel >> >> Sorrento Mesa Printing >> 7398 Trade Street >> San Diego, CA 92121-2422 >> 858-527-0800 >> 858-527-1740 FAX >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com >> >> LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa >> >> Direct Links for Learning: >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html >> >> Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider >> Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider >> Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level >> Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider >> >> Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > -- > Jace Prejean > Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc > 922 Sunset Ave > Houma, LA 70360 > Phone 985-868-8273 > > www.BayouPrinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From dvmonto at optonline.net Fri Oct 10 10:27:28 2008 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Fri Oct 10 10:27:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Creo vs Fiery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: When I bought my 1050, I asked about a similar rip as the Fiery or Creo. I was told the only option other than the internal rip is the Micropress. If I remember it was very pricey. Also I was trying to wean myself from EFI products so I passed. http://www.efi.com/products/production/efi-micropress/ -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong. - -- Abraham Lincoln On 10/9/08 11:47 PM, "Charlene Sims" wrote: > Bob I just got a 1050. It has it's own internal rip and that is it. I > research the same thing. No go. From jodib at blackfoot.net Fri Oct 10 10:29:01 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Fri Oct 10 10:29:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Film output question References: <000801c92ae0$8f102290$ad3067b0$@com> Message-ID: <004501c92ae4$8a34dc80$0101a8c0@JodiPC> seems like when we had issues (although we had a different camera) the bulbs needed to be replaced. Is the problem constant or only occasional? Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 8:00 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Film output question > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > For those of you who still output film(or remember from your own personal > history), we have a problem we've fought for quite some time. > > When outputting film(we have a Lino 530 w/Harlequin RIP), we run into the > issue of getting hard edges on drop shadows/vignettes that go down to the > 3-5% range. Any suggestions as to how to remedy this would be a great > help. > BTW, we typically output at 175lpi at 2540dpi. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Kelly Crom > Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 > Plymouth, MN 55441 > (763)231-6970 > kellycrom@gmail.com > www.applied-graphics.com > > p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's > Environmental Initiatives - > www.mygreatprinter.com ! > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From greg at pressexpress.org Fri Oct 10 10:34:07 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Fri Oct 10 10:34:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF-kinda Digital Vinyl Pricing Message-ID: <022F9342-F950-4727-842D-338BFF650E55@pressexpress.org> This is for any printers out there doing vinyl graphics. We recently installed a Mimaki JV3 Solvent Printer. I do not yet have the cutter capable of doing contour cuts yet but is on my wish list. There are both solvent based calendared vinyl and calendared over laminates. There are also solvent based CAST vinyl and CAST over laminates, which, quite frankly, is really expensive! I have no idea how to price this type of media. Can anyone share with me their pricing strategy? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Greg Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From george at dahlquistprinting.com Fri Oct 10 10:34:14 2008 From: george at dahlquistprinting.com (George Dahlquist) Date: Fri Oct 10 10:37:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 6060 References: Message-ID: <002101c92ae5$44efbf90$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> Anyone out there have the X 6060 that would care to share their pleasure / displeasure with this box? Also would like to know which rip you are utilizing. George Dahlquist Dahlquist Printing & Graphics Orlando, FL george@dahlquistprinting.com From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Fri Oct 10 10:39:38 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Fri Oct 10 10:40:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with In-Reply-To: References: <8CAF8705A7AB195-15DC-73A@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com><200810092224.m99MO7id028729@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: Order put it on a mill item stock when they are ordering only 500 of each. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jace Prejean Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 8:33 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** You don't design $2,000 stationery for someone with a $300 budget. Jace E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From hal at pickimp.com Fri Oct 10 10:50:46 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Fri Oct 10 10:48:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with References: <8CAF8705A7AB195-15DC-73A@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com><200810092224.m99MO7id028729@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <002101c92ae7$968859a0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> <$3,000! 15 years! Burns me up!> We've all been there. In facing reality I think we all know that we market our products and work hard. Ad agencies market their services and don't work very hard, they only make a hell of a lot more money than we do -- with less effort. Think there could be a lesson here? Mark Roberts used to tell me that if I wanted loyalty to get a dog. If I wanted more sales get a salesman. Hal From slb at inkspot.net Fri Oct 10 11:03:24 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Oct 10 11:03:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for a Vendor to Print on File Folders In-Reply-To: <72300BE34FD24F68BA7FD657D4AB510F@SMITHPRINT.local> References: <72300BE34FD24F68BA7FD657D4AB510F@SMITHPRINT.local> Message-ID: <48EF367C.21338.1311029D@slb.inkspot.net> We can run these on our Heidelberg KORD. Other H presses with the same feeder (curved feed board with push guide, not stream feeder) should be able to run them as well. Surely, someone in your area must have a press that will run them. HTH, Steve > > We have a client who needs 2M legal size file folders printed. > Any > suggestions on who might produce this type of job? > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > Randy Smith > > Smith Printing Company, Inc. > > P.O.Box 37 > > Leeds, AL 35094 > > Office: 205.699.2284 > > Fax: 205.699.8660 > > e-mail: rsmith@smithprintinginc.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3511 (20081010) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From prtquick at eos.net Fri Oct 10 11:43:04 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Fri Oct 10 11:37:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with In-Reply-To: References: <8CAF8705A7AB195-15DC-73A@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com> <200810092224.m99MO7id028729@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <68A25510-8556-4A3A-9674-1909DFF91EE1@eos.net> > What does bother me is that they > don't have their customer's best interest in mind. You don't design > $2,000 > stationery for someone with a $300 budget. I just finished redesigning my non-profit customer's newly designed letterhead package. Their new logo is 3-color - but we all know they are on a 1-color budget! We may use it on their annual report. A lot of non-profits get 'free' or reduced cost design work from Graphic Designers. Designers mean well, and often see this as a chance to have more creative freedom. They are not 'real' clients, but sort of charity cases. Many Graphic Design contests even have a special category for 'pro-bono' work - and usually the entries are very creative and wild. Of course I see their poor client - who is a non-profit housing group run by nuns - wanting to get brochures printed with full color imagery and die cuts!! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - On Oct 10, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Jace Prejean wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Scott, > > I don't disagree with your approach but I can remember spending > countless > hours with clients showing them how to save money only to have them > take my > ideas to other printers. One even called me a few months later to > ask me to > help him with the wording on his bid, yet had the gall to make it > clear to > me the cheapest price would get the job. I did help him once jsut > to see if > I could sway him. It became apparant he was never going to work > with me so > the next time he called I told him I'd be more than happy to help > him but my > rate is $200 per hour. > > Fortunately this is not an everyday occurrance. The customers who > really get > to me are those who spend thousands of dollars having stationery > designed by > some out of state agency then bring it to us asking how they can > save money > on the printing. We ultimately end up redesigning it for a few hundred > dollars. We do end up with the printing but to think of the > ludicrous prices > some of these agencies are charging. Don't get me wrong, it doesn't > bother > me that they are making lots of money. What does bother me is that > they > don't have their customer's best interest in mind. You don't design > $2,000 > stationery for someone with a $300 budget. > > Jace > > > > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Scott Cappel > wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> Well along the same vein, we had a client that we've had for over >> 10 years >> now ( a biotech) send me an email today inviting us to bid on the >> printing >> we've been doing for them all this time. Corporate is trying to >> lower cost >> by sending our work out to bid. Here's my response verbatim: >> >> ___________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> You already know what are pricing is. >> >> You know if you put this out to bid in this environment you will >> certainly >> get pricing lower from starving printing companies grasping for >> business. >> >> Your designer specified the most expensive paper available in the >> marketplace. We have complied with your every wish. >> >> If lowering costs is truly the goal here, I have a myriad of ideas >> to help >> you accomplish this. >> >> We will create your pricing matrix for you, but I know that we >> will not be >> the lowest price. >> >> But we stand ready to work with you lowering your costs by >> adjusting specs >> if you would like to talk. >> >> Let me know your thoughts. >> >> Scott >> >> ____________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> We'll do their matrix, and then we'll have a meeting. If it turns >> out that >> price is now more important than the excellent service we've been >> giving >> them all these years, then we're not a good fit anymore. >> >> Things change, you do the best you can, but they change. >> >> If its no longer a fit, its no longer a fit. There's plenty more >> business >> out there to get. >> >> >> S. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 02:51 PM 10/9/2008, you wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> I have a customer that does 300 - 500 a month with us. They use >>> around 17 >>> different forms that we have on our system. We recently sent out >>> self stick >>> envelopes to be done. We quoted the order before sending out to >>> be printed. >>> Now the purchaser says that we are over $854 more than the >>> printer they used >>> for this type of envelopes. Her boss requested that I give him >>> back product >>> to justify my cost being higher than their other vendor. The >>> order cost me >>> $712 (Western Envelopes) I sold it for $1512 w/set-up. They >>> wouldn't tell me >>> who charge that, but I told them that if they were charging that >>> little they >>> won't be around very long. How would you deal with this? >>> >>> >>> Copy That, Inc. >>> "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" >>> 3515 E. Tremont Avenue >>> Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >>> 718.892.1859 >>> 718.892.2315 Fax >>> www.copythatnyc.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> __________ NOD32 3508 (20081009) Information __________ >>> >>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Scott Cappel >> >> Sorrento Mesa Printing >> 7398 Trade Street >> San Diego, CA 92121-2422 >> 858-527-0800 >> 858-527-1740 FAX >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com >> >> LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa >> >> Direct Links for Learning: >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html >> >> Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider >> Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider >> Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level >> Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider >> >> Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > -- > Jace Prejean > Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc > 922 Sunset Ave > Houma, LA 70360 > Phone 985-868-8273 > > www.BayouPrinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From dominick at fmtc.com Fri Oct 10 11:42:46 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Fri Oct 10 11:42:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PC Backup Message-ID: <48EF77F6.2000702@fmtc.com> Someone on this list mentioned Acronis Back Up software. I have it, and also have the backup on not only 2 off line hard drives, but a third in the safe. Question is, I have a PC that is very corrupt, but an older machine than the one Acronis was used on. Can I use the good PC backup and reformat the HD on the other machine? Then they are both identical and clean. Is this possible, or will I just mess it up worse? Thanks Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Fri Oct 10 11:50:50 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Fri Oct 10 11:50:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with In-Reply-To: References: <8CAF8705A7AB195-15DC-73A@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com> <200810092224.m99MO7id028729@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <48EF79DA.9050703@satx.rr.com> I know the feeling. I bid on a directory for a professional association. They had a locked PDF of the old one to use as a guide to bid it and asked for a bid on the design. I was awarded the printing, but the design went to a "professional designer" who is charging them 4 times my bid and at this point is 3 WEEKS late on delivering the file to me. Job was supposed to be done by October 1. I still have no files on a simple job that could have been done in 8=9 hours of really hitting the computer. They are getting ripped and by the time I get the file the bid will have expired and I will need to raise the printing for the price increase I got on the first. Because we are printers not "professional designers" she gave the design to someone who is not serving them well. This "designer" is still using Quark 4. Really with the times. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Greg Weinfurter wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Jace is onto something here. > > Peoples mentality is that because you are an ad agency, you are > allowed to charge bookoo bucks, but since we are printers we are not > allowed to charge anything. > > I had a customer, first name basis, that I have been doing his menu > for 15 years now. He insisted to keep cost down so they were always > one color black on red card stock. (black and red were the restaurant > colors). I go dining there last week and see a full color menu with > pictures of food, etc. He spent $3,000 for the agency to come into > his restaurant, shoot a half dozen pictures of his entree's and do a > full color menu that they ran out on a desktop color laser printer. > He never once asked me because he said "because I was a printer, he > didn't think we did that kind of thing". And yes, I too can take a > picture with my Canon EOS digital camera. > > $3,000! 15 years! Burns me up! > > I bet the guy that took the pictures got the eat the gourmet entr?e's > too! > > I state that I offer "ad agency" style design but no one seems to care > since it is still a printing company. > > Greg > > On Oct 10, 2008, at 8:33 AM, Jace Prejean wrote: > > From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Fri Oct 10 12:01:59 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Fri Oct 10 12:02:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PC Backup In-Reply-To: <48EF77F6.2000702@fmtc.com> References: <48EF77F6.2000702@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <48EF7C77.9020908@sugarloafprint.com> "Sometimes" if you use a backup from one computer to another there are problems 1) Windows checks to see if the motherboard/CPU is the same. If it isn't it may not startup 2) Many programs (Word, Photoshop, etc) also check the mb/cpu. May need reactivation. It's really a crap shoot. I guess you can always call MS or Adobe for reactivation. 3) Drivers (video card, etc) may be different. This in itself can be a headache Let us know how it works out if you try it. Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 Dominick's Printing wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Someone on this list mentioned Acronis Back Up software. > > I have it, and also have the backup on not only 2 off line hard > drives, but a third in the safe. > > Question is, I have a PC that is very corrupt, but an older machine > than the one Acronis was used on. Can I use the good PC backup and > reformat the HD on the other machine? Then they are both identical and > clean. > > Is this possible, or will I just mess it up worse? > > Thanks > > Joe Dominick > > Dominick's Quality Printing > 542 W. Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > 541.881.1121 > Fax 541.881.1599 > > www.dominicksprinting.com > dominick@fmtc.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Oct 10 12:08:06 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Oct 10 12:10:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Film output question In-Reply-To: <000801c92ae0$8f102290$ad3067b0$@com> References: <000801c92ae0$8f102290$ad3067b0$@com> Message-ID: <200810101610.m9AGAe2g071287@i2bnetworks.com> How's your DMax and your chemistry? BTW just took delivery of a Screen 4100 and Epson 9880 so it won't long till we're film free. S. At 07:00 AM 10/10/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >For those of you who still output film(or remember from your own personal >history), we have a problem we've fought for quite some time. > >When outputting film(we have a Lino 530 w/Harlequin RIP), we run into the >issue of getting hard edges on drop shadows/vignettes that go down to the >3-5% range. Any suggestions as to how to remedy this would be a great help. >BTW, we typically output at 175lpi at 2540dpi. > > > >Thanks in advance, > > > >Kelly Crom >Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. >2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 >Plymouth, MN 55441 >(763)231-6970 > kellycrom@gmail.com > www.applied-graphics.com > >p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's >Environmental Initiatives - >www.mygreatprinter.com ! > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3511 (20081010) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Fri Oct 10 12:12:45 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Fri Oct 10 12:12:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 1300 versions of a job Message-ID: There are 1300 different versions (both the color and B&W pages) of > this job How many copies of each version? From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Fri Oct 10 12:22:02 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Fri Oct 10 12:21:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] SP3 install Message-ID: And the reason you didn't do a complete harddrive backup before you installed SP3 is? Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ That information is reason enough for me to avoid sp3. A complete backup warning tells me to steer clear. We are just fine w/o it. It's like a mechanic saying 'I'll fix your engine, but you better have a backup standing by in case I screw it up". It wouldn't install yesterday when we sacrificed an older PC. There must be a folder where the installer resides, anyone know where? I expect machinery to work, and for the mfgs to provide me w/parts and supplies that work. Crazy, huh? Best, Larry Desert Pacific Printing Tucson From tufelkinder at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 12:29:19 2008 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Fri Oct 10 12:29:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Film output question In-Reply-To: <200810101610.m9AGAe2g071287@i2bnetworks.com> References: <000801c92ae0$8f102290$ad3067b0$@com> <200810101610.m9AGAe2g071287@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0810100929q573da3f2h8b85a697e08d3982@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > > BTW just took delivery of a Screen 4100 and Epson 9880 so it won't long till > we're film free. Hey Scott, What's your workflow/RIP solution? Thanks, Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ The best way out is always through. -- Robert Frost From kellycrom at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 12:39:44 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Fri Oct 10 12:39:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Film output question In-Reply-To: <200810101610.m9AGAe2g071287@i2bnetworks.com> References: <000801c92ae0$8f102290$ad3067b0$@com> <200810101610.m9AGAe2g071287@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <007401c92af6$d10a62d0$731f2870$@com> Chemistry is fresh(and processor was just cleaned), and our DMax is right where it should be. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 11:08 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Film output question > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > How's your DMax and your chemistry? > > BTW just took delivery of a Screen 4100 and Epson 9880 so it won't > long till we're film free. > > S. > > > > > At 07:00 AM 10/10/2008, you wrote: > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >For those of you who still output film(or remember from your own > personal > >history), we have a problem we've fought for quite some time. > > > >When outputting film(we have a Lino 530 w/Harlequin RIP), we run into > the > >issue of getting hard edges on drop shadows/vignettes that go down to > the > >3-5% range. Any suggestions as to how to remedy this would be a great > help. > >BTW, we typically output at 175lpi at 2540dpi. > > > > > > > >Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > >Kelly Crom > >Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > >2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 > >Plymouth, MN 55441 > >(763)231-6970 > > kellycrom@gmail.com > > www.applied-graphics.com > > > >p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's > >Environmental Initiatives - > >www.mygreatprinter.com ! > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >__________ NOD32 3511 (20081010) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.eset.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Fri Oct 10 12:46:31 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Fri Oct 10 12:46:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] SP3 install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48EF86E7.2070204@sugarloafprint.com> Dumb! Hell No! I have complete backup on all my systems. What's dumb is saying you won't do it. Almost as dumb as not running Antivirus software on any platform. You deserve any problem you may encounter. Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 larry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > And the reason you didn't do a complete harddrive backup before you > installed SP3 is? > > Ron Sardo > Sugarloaf Print Shop > _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > That information is reason enough for me to avoid sp3. A complete backup warning tells me to steer clear. We are just fine w/o it. > It's like a mechanic saying 'I'll fix your engine, but you better have a backup standing by in case I screw it up". > > It wouldn't install yesterday when we sacrificed an older PC. There must be a folder where the installer resides, anyone know where? > > I expect machinery to work, and for the mfgs to provide me w/parts and supplies that work. > > Crazy, huh? > > Best, > Larry > Desert Pacific Printing > Tucson > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From copythatnyc at aol.com Fri Oct 10 12:46:33 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Fri Oct 10 12:46:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with In-Reply-To: <0B44CB70-07EC-41F8-BC42-9A7545785A17@pressexpress.org> References: <8CAF8705A7AB195-15DC-73A@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com> <0B44CB70-07EC-41F8-BC42-9A7545785A17@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: <8CAF90EE3167D10-17C0-149@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> Here is where I am so far. Client has no paper work to show old pricing. So they provided me with a teL# 800.645.5220 & their acct#. It may be me, I'm all clogged with a head cold. Couldn't quite hear the name of the place. Pricing on self stick #24 Stratmore Ivory 2500 $477.17 5000 $954.00 I believe the name was Histaccounts Anyone know them? It seems like they do other work than just printing. Now What Batman LOL!!! Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg Weinfurter To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 6:43 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? They sound like a good customer and monthly repeat orders are gravy so keeping them is important, however, too many people play games and I have caught people lying about getting it cheaper just to get better pricing.? ? But rather than telling them you think that they might be lying, ask for a copy of the competitive invoice so you may compare and VERIFY that the specs are accurate. Quite often, I find that they are comparing peaches to apples. Heck, they might be getting plain jane number 10's? ? ? But it appears that your scenario is different. First of all, you said that you quoted it to them. They must have given you the go ahead to print based on the price you provided, so you printed and invoiced the customer. Now after they get the envelopes, they complain about pricing?? ? Just about every printer is different. Using different equipment and thus giving different pricing. I can do 4 color process on my Heidelberg QM 46-2 (two color, two passes, two sides) but it is much more efficient to print process with a 26 inch 6 color and therefore, walk all over me price wise. Perhaps someone is more efficient at processing the envelopes (but I don't see how).? ? Split the difference and move on???? ? 300-500/month is not a bad little account.? ? Interesting to see how this unfolds.? ? Greg? ? On Oct 9, 2008, at 4:51 PM, Tommy Melendez wrote:? ? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > I have a customer that does 300 - 500 a month with us. They use > around 17 different forms that we have on our system. We recently > sent out self stick envelopes to be done. We quoted the order before > sending out to be printed. Now the purchaser says that we are over > $854 more than the printer they used for this type of envelopes. Her > boss requested that I give him back product to justify20my cost being > higher than their other vendor. The order cost me $712 (Western > Envelopes) I sold it for $1512 w/set-up. They wouldn't tell me who > charge that, but I told them that if they were charging that little > they won't be around very long. How would you deal with this?? >? >? > Copy That, Inc.? > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service"? > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue? > Bronx, N.Y. 10465? > 718.892.1859? > 718.892.2315 Fax? > www.copythatnyc.com? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? > --> This message has been scanned for viruses and? > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is? > believed to be clean.? ? ? Press Express? 1869 N. Stevens St.? Rhinelander, WI 54501? Phone 715-362-2828? Fax 715-369-2828? info@pressexpress.org? ? Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider? Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From mike at arborprinting.com Fri Oct 10 12:49:01 2008 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Fri Oct 10 12:47:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Graphic Whizard References: <8CAF8705A7AB195-15DC-73A@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com> <200810092224.m99MO7id028729@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <010f01c92af8$19896320$6401a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Anyone using a GW 150 or similar product for scoring digitally reproduced cover stock? Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. 5100 Academy Dr., Ste 100 Lisle, IL 60532 630-969-2277 P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cappel" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Well along the same vein, we had a client that we've had for over 10 years > now ( a biotech) send me an email today inviting us to bid on the printing > we've been doing for them all this time. Corporate is trying to lower cost > by sending our work out to bid. Here's my response verbatim: > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > > You already know what are pricing is. > > You know if you put this out to bid in this environment you will certainly > get pricing lower from starving printing companies grasping for business. > > Your designer specified the most expensive paper available in the > marketplace. We have complied with your every wish. > > If lowering costs is truly the goal here, I have a myriad of ideas to help > you accomplish this. > > We will create your pricing matrix for you, but I know that we will not be > the lowest price. > > But we stand ready to work with you lowering your costs by adjusting specs > if you would like to talk. > > Let me know your thoughts. > > Scott > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > We'll do their matrix, and then we'll have a meeting. If it turns out that > price is now more important than the excellent service we've been giving > them all these years, then we're not a good fit anymore. > > Things change, you do the best you can, but they change. > > If its no longer a fit, its no longer a fit. There's plenty more business > out there to get. > > > S. > > > > > > > > > At 02:51 PM 10/9/2008, you wrote: >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>I have a customer that does 300 - 500 a month with us. They use around 17 >>different forms that we have on our system. We recently sent out self >>stick envelopes to be done. We quoted the order before sending out to be >>printed. Now the purchaser says that we are over $854 more than the >>printer they used for this type of envelopes. Her boss requested that I >>give him back product to justify my cost being higher than their other >>vendor. The order cost me $712 (Western Envelopes) I sold it for $1512 >>w/set-up. They wouldn't tell me who charge that, but I told them that if >>they were charging that little they won't be around very long. How would >>you deal with this? >> >> >>Copy That, Inc. >>"Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" >>3515 E. Tremont Avenue >>Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >>718.892.1859 >>718.892.2315 Fax >>www.copythatnyc.com >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >>__________ NOD32 3508 (20081009) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com >> > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From rstor at copycats.com Fri Oct 10 12:54:00 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Fri Oct 10 12:54:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with In-Reply-To: <8CAF90EE3167D10-17C0-149@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAF8705A7AB195-15DC-73A@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com> <0B44CB70-07EC-41F8-BC42-9A7545785A17@pressexpress.org> <8CAF90EE3167D10-17C0-149@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <48EF88A8.70908@copycats.com> Tommy, http://tinyurl.com/4r4ptc I don't see any Strathmore on there. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com* * Tommy Melendez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Here is where I am so far. Client has no paper work to show old > pricing. So they provided me with a teL# 800.645.5220 & their acct#. > > It may be me, I'm all clogged with a head cold. Couldn't quite hear > the name of the place. > Pricing on self stick #24 Stratmore Ivory > > 2500 $477.17 > 5000 $954.00 > > I believe the name was Histaccounts Anyone know them? It seems like > they do other work than just printing. > > Now What Batman LOL!!! > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Weinfurter > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Sent: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 6:43 pm > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > They sound like a good customer and monthly repeat orders are gravy so > keeping them is important, however, too many people play games and I > have caught people lying about getting it cheaper just to get better > pricing. > > But rather than telling them you think that they might be lying, ask > for a copy of the competitive invoice so you may compare and VERIFY > that the specs are accurate. Quite often, I find that they are > comparing peaches to apples. Heck, they might be getting plain jane > number 10's? > > > But it appears that your scenario is different. First of all, you said > that you quoted it to them. They must have given you the go ahead to > print based on the price you provided, so you printed and invoiced the > customer. Now after they get the envelopes, they complain about pricing? > > Just about every printer is different. Using different equipment and > thus giving different pricing. I can do 4 color process on my > Heidelberg QM 46-2 (two color, two passes, two sides) but it is much > more efficient to print process with a 26 inch 6 color and therefore, > walk all over me price wise. Perhaps someone is more efficient at > processing the envelopes (but I don't see how). > > Split the difference and move on??? > > 300-500/month is not a bad little account. > > Interesting to see how this unfolds. > > Greg > > On Oct 9, 2008, at 4:51 PM, Tommy Melendez wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I have a customer that does 300 - 500 a month with us. They use > > around 17 different forms that we have on our system. We recently > > sent out self stick envelopes to be done. We quoted the order before > > sending out to be printed. Now the purchaser says that we are over > > $854 more than the printer they used for this type of envelopes. Her > > boss requested that I give him back product to justify20my cost being > > higher than their other vendor. The order cost me $712 (Western > > Envelopes) I sold it for $1512 w/set-up. They wouldn't tell me who > > charge that, but I told them that if they were charging that little > > they won't be around very long. How would you deal with this? >> >> >> Copy That, Inc. >> "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" >> 3515 E. Tremont Avenue >> Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >> 718.892.1859 >> 718.892.2315 Fax >> www.copythatnyc.com >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> --> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. > > > Press Express > 1869 N. Stevens St. > Rhinelander, WI 54501 > Phone 715-362-2828 > Fax 715-369-2828 > info@pressexpress.org > > Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider > Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From copythatnyc at aol.com Fri Oct 10 12:56:56 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Fri Oct 10 12:57:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Wide Format Pricing In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081010073831.034c5008@bucksdigital.com> References: <20081009224422.254E310CBEA7@rb.enter.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20081010073831.034c5008@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <8CAF910569CFC73-17C0-200@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> LOL I also posted in signs101 forum & came up with 9's all around so I sold it at $10 ea. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Herion To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 7:41 am Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Wide Format Pricing ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? ?$13.? and after seeing this post, I think I'll broker them to Tommy :)? ? At 06:44 PM 10/9/2008, you wrote:? >Message: 1? >Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:53:45 -0400? >From: "Shawn O'Neal" ? >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] RE: Wide format pricing? >To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'"? > ? >Message-ID: <0E22E1F2E7F54F5AAF54E94A607C712F@CopierComputer>? >? >$15 each? >? >http://www.conestogadpi.com/? >? > 246 N Lincoln Ave Lebanon PA USA 17046? >? Before printing this message, make sure that it's necessary.? > The environment is in our hands.? >? >? >-----Original Message-----? >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org? >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez? >Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 6:55 PM? >To: printowners@printweb.org? >Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Wide format pricing >? >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? >This is for owners of wide format equipment. I have an order that is? >due Thursday. 100 posters 17" x 22". Just wanted to clarify what I want? >to quote.? >? >I'm asking for $7.25 ea. What would you charge?? >? >? >Copy That, Inc.? >"Where the only thing you can't copy is our service"? >3515 E. Tremont Avenue? >Bronx, N.Y. 10465? >718.892.1859? >718.892.2315 Fax? >www.copythatnyc.com? ? Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too!? NEW - GLOSS AND SATIN UV COATING? We use Recycled and Certified Papers? Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510? 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940? www.bucksdigital.com? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From hal at pickimp.com Fri Oct 10 13:05:52 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Fri Oct 10 13:03:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with References: <8CAF8705A7AB195-15DC-73A@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com><0B44CB70-07EC-41F8-BC42-9A7545785A17@pressexpress.org> <8CAF90EE3167D10-17C0-149@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001301c92afa$77d4dfc0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> It's a division of Deluxe, the check printers. http://tinyurl.com/3qqeq6 Hal ----- Original Message ----- From: Tommy Melendez To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Here is where I am so far. Client has no paper work to show old pricing. So they provided me with a teL# 800.645.5220 & their acct#. It may be me, I'm all clogged with a head cold. Couldn't quite hear the name of the place. Pricing on self stick #24 Stratmore Ivory 2500 $477.17 5000 $954.00 I believe the name was Histaccounts Anyone know them? It seems like they do other work than just printing. Now What Batman LOL!!! Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg Weinfurter To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 6:43 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** They sound like a good customer and monthly repeat orders are gravy so keeping them is important, however, too many people play games and I have caught people lying about getting it cheaper just to get better pricing. But rather than telling them you think that they might be lying, ask for a copy of the competitive invoice so you may compare and VERIFY that the specs are accurate. Quite often, I find that they are comparing peaches to apples. Heck, they might be getting plain jane number 10's? But it appears that your scenario is different. First of all, you said that you quoted it to them. They must have given you the go ahead to print based on the price you provided, so you printed and invoiced the customer. Now after they get the envelopes, they complain about pricing? Just about every printer is different. Using different equipment and thus giving different pricing. I can do 4 color process on my Heidelberg QM 46-2 (two color, two passes, two sides) but it is much more efficient to print process with a 26 inch 6 color and therefore, walk all over me price wise. Perhaps someone is more efficient at processing the envelopes (but I don't see how). Split the difference and move on??? 300-500/month is not a bad little account. Interesting to see how this unfolds. Greg On Oct 9, 2008, at 4:51 PM, Tommy Melendez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a customer that does 300 - 500 a month with us. They use > around 17 different forms that we have on our system. We recently > sent out self stick envelopes to be done. We quoted the order before > sending out to be printed. Now the purchaser says that we are over > $854 more than the printer they used for this type of envelopes. Her > boss requested that I give him back product to justify20my cost being > higher than their other vendor. The order cost me $712 (Western > Envelopes) I sold it for $1512 w/set-up. They wouldn't tell me who > charge that, but I told them that if they were charging that little > they won't be around very long. How would you deal with this? > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > --> This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 13:11:02 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri Oct 10 13:11:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with In-Reply-To: <8CAF90EE3167D10-17C0-149@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAF8705A7AB195-15DC-73A@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com> <0B44CB70-07EC-41F8-BC42-9A7545785A17@pressexpress.org> <8CAF90EE3167D10-17C0-149@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0810101011q55d3f0eam2957d3c76da987b9@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Tommy Melendez wrote: > > Here is where I am so far. Client has no paper work to show old pricing. So > they provided me with a teL# 800.645.5220 & their acct#. > > It may be me, I'm all clogged with a head cold. Couldn't quite hear the name > of the place. I hadn't heard that name in a long time, but Histacount specializes in printing for the medical community. My guess is that you printed these envelopes on Strathmore because it matches their letterhead; they never noticed -- or cared -- that the envelopes they used to get were a commodity grade that didn't match. Could that be the case? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From rstor at copycats.com Fri Oct 10 13:13:04 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Fri Oct 10 13:13:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with In-Reply-To: <48EF88A8.70908@copycats.com> References: <8CAF8705A7AB195-15DC-73A@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com> <0B44CB70-07EC-41F8-BC42-9A7545785A17@pressexpress.org> <8CAF90EE3167D10-17C0-149@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> <48EF88A8.70908@copycats.com> Message-ID: <48EF8D20.6090405@copycats.com> One more thing Tommy. If I gave the price up-front and it was accepted, I would not discount after the fact. You devalue your work. I would explain to the customer that we did everything as requested and that my policy is that we guarantee our work - if you are not happy with it, return it for a full credit. Then I would pick up the envelopes and shred them. You will have pain now eating the $800 in costs, but you will spare yourself the pain of after-the fact negotiation on every job you ever do for them going forward. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Robert Stor wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Tommy, > > http://tinyurl.com/4r4ptc > > I don't see any Strathmore on there. > > Regards, > Bob Stor > Copycats > New York, NY > 212-557-2111 x20 > www.copycats.com* > * > Tommy Melendez wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Here is where I am so far. Client has no paper work to show old >> pricing. So they provided me with a teL# 800.645.5220 & their acct#. >> >> It may be me, I'm all clogged with a head cold. Couldn't quite hear >> the name of the place. >> Pricing on self stick #24 Stratmore Ivory >> >> 2500 $477.17 >> 5000 $954.00 >> >> I believe the name was Histaccounts Anyone know them? It seems like >> they do other work than just printing. >> >> Now What Batman LOL!!! >> >> >> Copy That, Inc. >> "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" >> 3515 E. Tremont Avenue >> Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >> 718.892.1859 >> 718.892.2315 Fax >> www.copythatnyc.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Greg Weinfurter >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Sent: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 6:43 pm >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with >> >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> They sound like a good customer and monthly repeat orders are gravy >> so keeping them is important, however, too many people play games and >> I have caught people lying about getting it cheaper just to get >> better pricing. >> But rather than telling them you think that they might be lying, ask >> for a copy of the competitive invoice so you may compare and VERIFY >> that the specs are accurate. Quite often, I find that they are >> comparing peaches to apples. Heck, they might be getting plain jane >> number 10's? >> >> >> But it appears that your scenario is different. First of all, you >> said that you quoted it to them. They must have given you the go >> ahead to print based on the price you provided, so you printed and >> invoiced the customer. Now after they get the envelopes, they >> complain about pricing? >> Just about every printer is different. Using different equipment and >> thus giving different pricing. I can do 4 color process on my >> Heidelberg QM 46-2 (two color, two passes, two sides) but it is much >> more efficient to print process with a 26 inch 6 color and therefore, >> walk all over me price wise. Perhaps someone is more efficient at >> processing the envelopes (but I don't see how). >> Split the difference and move on??? >> 300-500/month is not a bad little account. >> Interesting to see how this unfolds. >> Greg >> On Oct 9, 2008, at 4:51 PM, Tommy Melendez wrote: >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> I have a customer that does 300 - 500 a month with us. They use > >> around 17 different forms that we have on our system. We recently > >> sent out self stick envelopes to be done. We quoted the order before >> > sending out to be printed. Now the purchaser says that we are over >> > $854 more than the printer they used for this type of envelopes. >> Her > boss requested that I give him back product to justify20my cost >> being > higher than their other vendor. The order cost me $712 >> (Western > Envelopes) I sold it for $1512 w/set-up. They wouldn't >> tell me who > charge that, but I told them that if they were charging >> that little > they won't be around very long. How would you deal with >> this? >>> >>> >>> Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" >>> 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 >>> Fax www.copythatnyc.com >>> _______________________________________________ PrintOwners >>> Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: >>> http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> --> This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content >>> by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. >> >> >> Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone >> 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org >> Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express >> is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider >> _______________________________________________ PrintOwners >> Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: >> http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From sos at olympus.net Fri Oct 10 13:20:26 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Oct 10 13:20:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Film output question References: <000801c92ae0$8f102290$ad3067b0$@com> <200810101610.m9AGAe2g071287@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cappel" > BTW just took delivery of a Screen 4100 and Epson 9880 so it won't long > till we're film free. ================= You're such a Luddite. Congratulations on joining the modern world. In a similar vein, I just got my first cell phone. And I've already gotten my first call, a wrong number. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From craig at newhavenprint.com Fri Oct 10 13:25:29 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Fri Oct 10 13:25:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 1300 versions of a job In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48EF9009.1090602@newhavenprint.com> It will vary - I don't have an exact breakdown. Between 1000 and 25,000 of each version It's a crazy job. Craig Craig Dellinger President New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, Indiana USA Phone: 260.493.3844 Fax: 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com larry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > There are 1300 different versions (both the color and B&W pages) of > >> this job >> > > How many copies of each version? > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > From char at themasterspress.com Fri Oct 10 14:46:47 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Fri Oct 10 14:46:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] K1050 question Message-ID: <3739AC1CE1DC4312A5B94137944335F1@CharXP> I have just installed a KM 1050. We have the bookletmaker on it but am doubting now how valuable that would be to us. We have a big Horizon bookletmaker but it will only fold 22 pages at the max. The amazing thing is that the bookletmaker on the Konica will fold 40 sheets of paper in half and staple it. (Actually it will do 50) But that is so thick. Would you/do you even do books that thick. We don't right now because we tell people we can't. But if WE CAN is that a selling point. Do any of you do thick books like that. On the 15-22 pages there is a slight difference between the folding on the 1050 and the Horizon but not enough for the cost of the bookletmaker. This bookletmaker fold three sheets Hard at a time, puts on a saddle and adds pages and then staples. So it is very different than the bookletmakers can do when they fold all the sheets at one time. I need to make a decision NOW one way or the other. HELP ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Fri Oct 10 14:53:29 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Fri Oct 10 14:53:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] SP3 install In-Reply-To: <48EF86E7.2070204@sugarloafprint.com> References: <48EF86E7.2070204@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: <48EFA4A9.3040208@satx.rr.com> I have 3 times the trouble with the mac on my network that I have with my PCs. I have complete back ups for it and all the PCs. It is called cheap insurance. I back up the mac before I let update. I've have updates kill my mac. I don't have the resources to see which ones will be a problem I do for the PC. I've reloaded the mac from back up 3 times. This PC, never. But the other thing is to make sure the backups are good. I had a tape drive quit once and it acted like it was working for 6 months until I lost a hard drive and found out that I had to reload 6 months of customer info from hard copy. Now I make point of restoring a few files on a monthly basis from all back ups to make sure they are good. If you don't back up you are going to wish you had some day. Macs use the same hard drives as PCs. The question is not if the hard drive fails it is when will it fail. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Ron Sardo wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dumb! Hell No! I have complete backup on all my systems. > > What's dumb is saying you won't do it. > > Almost as dumb as not running Antivirus software on any platform. > > You deserve any problem you may encounter. > > Ron Sardo > Sugarloaf Print Shop > mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com > www.sugarloafprint.com > 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 > > > > larry wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> And the reason you didn't do a complete harddrive backup before you >> installed SP3 is? >> >> Ron Sardo >> Sugarloaf Print Shop >> _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> That information is reason enough for me to avoid sp3. A complete >> backup warning tells me to steer clear. We are just fine w/o it. >> It's like a mechanic saying 'I'll fix your engine, but you better >> have a backup standing by in case I screw it up". >> >> It wouldn't install yesterday when we sacrificed an older PC. There >> must be a folder where the installer resides, anyone know where? >> >> I expect machinery to work, and for the mfgs to provide me w/parts >> and supplies that work. >> >> Crazy, huh? >> >> Best, >> Larry >> Desert Pacific Printing >> Tucson >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From craig at newhavenprint.com Fri Oct 10 15:18:26 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Fri Oct 10 15:18:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 6060 In-Reply-To: <002101c92ae5$44efbf90$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> References: <002101c92ae5$44efbf90$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> Message-ID: <48EFAA82.9080404@newhavenprint.com> Hey George, We've never had a 6060, we did have a 2060. I think you'll find that although the 6060 was a wonderful machine in it's day, technology has passed it by. I'm not sure when the last year was that they made those, maybe at least 3 years ago. They might still be selling remanufactured versions, but if the rip is not current, I'd back away. The service costs to operate that machine would probably be close to double what you'd pay on a new Xerox 700 machine. That's what I'd recommend. Or even a KM6501 if you have good service in your area. Both of them would be faster and have much newer technology. If you already had a good 6060, it might not be worth upgrading. If you're starting fresh, I don't think you'll want that machine 3 years from now. Craig Craig Dellinger President New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, Indiana USA Phone: 260.493.3844 Fax: 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com George Dahlquist wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Anyone out there have the X 6060 that would care to share their > pleasure / displeasure with this box? Also would like to know which > rip you are utilizing. > > George Dahlquist > Dahlquist Printing & Graphics > Orlando, FL > george@dahlquistprinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > From jacemeister at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 15:26:00 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Fri Oct 10 15:26:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Graphic Whizard In-Reply-To: <010f01c92af8$19896320$6401a8c0@MikeShutaPC> References: <8CAF8705A7AB195-15DC-73A@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com> <200810092224.m99MO7id028729@i2bnetworks.com> <010f01c92af8$19896320$6401a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: I believe the 150 is a scoring machine, and if so I don't believe you will ever stop cracking on digitally printed enamel cover with any scoring device. I recently bought a CreaseMaster Plus+ which works very well. I like the GW, but you could buy any brand you're comfortable with or get the best service from. Just do your homework and look closely at a Creasing Machine, not a Scoring Machine. I can make any fold I like after the piece has been creased and it will NOT crack, even if you fold it back and forth and inside out. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Mike@arborprinting.com < mike@arborprinting.com> wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Anyone using a GW 150 or similar product for scoring digitally reproduced > cover stock? > Thanks, > Michael Shuta > > Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. > 5100 Academy Dr., Ste 100 > Lisle, IL 60532 > 630-969-2277 > From jdaghir at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 15:40:21 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Fri Oct 10 15:40:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Creative ideas? In-Reply-To: <48EE484C.1030906@newhavenprint.com> References: <48EE484C.1030906@newhavenprint.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620810101240x17983df6r29f07f51149e8ea4@mail.gmail.com> For that kind of quantity you might try contacting Streamfeeder. That had a system at Graph Expo that could collate and bag various marketing materials like brochures, flyers, etc. together. I would imagine it could probably be adapted to handle envelopes and do a corner staple in place of bagging. Something like this maybe: http://www.streamfeeder.com/applications/kitful.htm -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com From jdaghir at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 15:48:26 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Fri Oct 10 15:48:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PC Backup In-Reply-To: <48EF77F6.2000702@fmtc.com> References: <48EF77F6.2000702@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620810101248g19886bcfre94ea2f954a196c1@mail.gmail.com> Probably won't work initially unless they are almost identical at the hardware level - same motherboard & hard drive. But you might be able to do a restore and then do a repair install of XP to straighten out any hardware discrepancies. The repair install of XP would take about the same time as a fresh install but it would save you the time & trouble of reinstalling all your applications. I have successfully moved an installation of XP from one machine to another using this exact method. Doesn't always work but when it does it can be a big time saver. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Joe said: > Question is, I have a PC that is very corrupt, but an older machine than the > one Acronis was used on. Can I use the good PC backup and reformat the HD on > the other machine? Then they are both identical and clean. From copythatnyc at aol.com Fri Oct 10 15:48:22 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Fri Oct 10 15:48:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: ID Help Message-ID: <8CAF928495031A0-17C0-D3E@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> Trying to print out a journal to my Canon 7095, but the pages are not lining up. Front pages are lower than the back pages. Anyway of preventing this? Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com From kellycrom at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 16:05:00 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Fri Oct 10 16:05:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 6060 In-Reply-To: <48EFAA82.9080404@newhavenprint.com> References: <002101c92ae5$44efbf90$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> <48EFAA82.9080404@newhavenprint.com> Message-ID: <00b501c92b13$7b207ef0$71617cd0$@com> I agree with Craig. We have a 6060, and it is a great machine, however, the service rates(click charges) are a lot higher than on a KM6500, or probably(haven't priced yet) even the new Xerox 700. I assume you are probably looking at a used machine. I know that JJ Bender has been reselling quite a few used 6060's lately(and shipping a lot of them overseas), so if you haven't already, you might want to give them a call for their current pricing. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Craig Dellinger > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 2:18 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Xerox 6060 > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hey George, > We've never had a 6060, we did have a 2060. I think you'll find that > although the 6060 was a wonderful machine in it's day, technology has > passed it by. I'm not sure when the last year was that they made those, > maybe at least 3 years ago. They might still be selling remanufactured > versions, but if the rip is not current, I'd back away. The service > costs to operate that machine would probably be close to double what > you'd pay on a new Xerox 700 machine. That's what I'd recommend. Or > even > a KM6501 if you have good service in your area. Both of them would be > faster and have much newer technology. If you already had a good 6060, > it might not be worth upgrading. If you're starting fresh, I don't > think > you'll want that machine 3 years from now. > > Craig > > Craig Dellinger > President > New Haven Print & Copy > 7531 US 930 East > Fort Wayne, Indiana USA > Phone: 260.493.3844 > Fax: 260.493.3579 > www.newhavenprint.com > > > > George Dahlquist wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Anyone out there have the X 6060 that would care to share their > > pleasure / displeasure with this box? Also would like to know which > > rip you are utilizing. > > > > George Dahlquist > > Dahlquist Printing & Graphics > > Orlando, FL > > george@dahlquistprinting.com > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Oct 10 16:05:20 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Oct 10 16:08:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Film output question In-Reply-To: <007401c92af6$d10a62d0$731f2870$@com> References: <000801c92ae0$8f102290$ad3067b0$@com> <200810101610.m9AGAe2g071287@i2bnetworks.com> <007401c92af6$d10a62d0$731f2870$@com> Message-ID: <200810102007.m9AK7sjH029167@i2bnetworks.com> Whens the last time you baselined and linearized your engine, and then built cal curves? At 09:39 AM 10/10/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Chemistry is fresh(and processor was just cleaned), and our DMax is right >where it should be. > >Kelly Crom >Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. >2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 >Plymouth, MN 55441 >(763)231-6970 >kellycrom@gmail.com >www.applied-graphics.com > >p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's >Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel > > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 11:08 AM > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Film output question > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > How's your DMax and your chemistry? > > > > BTW just took delivery of a Screen 4100 and Epson 9880 so it won't > > long till we're film free. > > > > S. > > > > > > > > > > At 07:00 AM 10/10/2008, you wrote: > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > >For those of you who still output film(or remember from your own > > personal > > >history), we have a problem we've fought for quite some time. > > > > > >When outputting film(we have a Lino 530 w/Harlequin RIP), we run into > > the > > >issue of getting hard edges on drop shadows/vignettes that go down to > > the > > >3-5% range. Any suggestions as to how to remedy this would be a great > > help. > > >BTW, we typically output at 175lpi at 2540dpi. > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > > > > >Kelly Crom > > >Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > > >2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 > > >Plymouth, MN 55441 > > >(763)231-6970 > > > kellycrom@gmail.com > > > www.applied-graphics.com > > > > > >p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's > > >Environmental Initiatives - > > >www.mygreatprinter.com ! > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >PrintOwners Discussion List > > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > >__________ NOD32 3511 (20081010) Information __________ > > > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > >http://www.eset.com > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Scott Cappel > > > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > > 7398 Trade Street > > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > > 858-527-0800 > > 858-527-1740 FAX > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > > > Direct Links for Learning: > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3512 (20081010) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Oct 10 16:08:48 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Oct 10 16:11:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Film output question In-Reply-To: <84f70d5e0810100929q573da3f2h8b85a697e08d3982@mail.gmail.co m> References: <000801c92ae0$8f102290$ad3067b0$@com> <200810101610.m9AGAe2g071287@i2bnetworks.com> <84f70d5e0810100929q573da3f2h8b85a697e08d3982@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810102011.m9AKBMb9030063@i2bnetworks.com> Xitron Navigator 8.X / GPS Rip Manager workflow / full trapping and Vdot 3 plugin to drive the Epson. Complete ROOM workflow. 2 dongles. and a partridge in a pear tree. Ask me in Chicago what I paid for the entire deal and I'll catch you when you pass out. S. At 09:29 AM 10/10/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > > > > BTW just took delivery of a Screen 4100 and Epson 9880 so it > won't long till > > we're film free. > >Hey Scott, > >What's your workflow/RIP solution? > >Thanks, >Walt > > >Mercersburg Printing >Mercersburg, PA >http://mercersburg.net >800-955-3902 >tufelkinder@gmail.com > > >-~ > > The best way out is always through. > -- Robert Frost >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3512 (20081010) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From danf at mmsny.com Fri Oct 10 16:08:28 2008 From: danf at mmsny.com (Daniel Flatt) Date: Fri Oct 10 16:11:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] K1050 question In-Reply-To: <3739AC1CE1DC4312A5B94137944335F1@CharXP> References: <3739AC1CE1DC4312A5B94137944335F1@CharXP> Message-ID: <7AA4E499F75C454D864713FEF2958D3384B0FE@BE09.exg4.exghost.com> Charlene, We also have the booklet maker on the 1050 as well as the cover insertion and folder unit. It works great for short runs where the setup time kills you on a collator. We have 3 airfed collators with stitching folding and trimming but it is real nice to not have to use them for 100 booklet jobs. The cover insertion is handy too. The folding unit saves huge time on sending jobs out to finishing. It also folds jobs that were printed elsewhere like the color copier and it gate folds! We do not use the booklet maker for really large page count booklets because they do look sloppy and we have a perfect binder if we need to. They are expensive but it really does make us much more productive on short run jobs (less staff). Dan Flatt co-owner Multi Media Services BUSINESS PRINTERS 11136-40 River Road Corning, NY 14830 main 607-936-3186 CELL 607-331-7217 PLEASE CALL MY CELL FIRST! Fax 877-684-3043 www.mmsny.com Isn't it time that you had a business printer printing for your business? Other contacts: Rick Bartholomew president -co-owner 607-769-8111 Belinda Wilcox VP-Finance & CSR's 607-331-7068 Rose Flatt VP - Creative 607-331-1555 Dick Shelford Sunset Operations 607-331-5775 Patty Carlson Strategic accounts 607-331-5314 Ralph Begeal CSR 607-331-5572 Jessi Mitchell CSR 607-936-3186 Dave Satterly IR operations 570-882-0485 Steve Mullen IR operations liaison 607-936-3186 ext 201 Clint Fox Mailing/ creative 607-331-7068 Judy Pruyne creative 607-331-5963 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 2:47 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Cc: members@printimageintl.org Subject: [PrintOwners] K1050 question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have just installed a KM 1050. We have the bookletmaker on it but am doubting now how valuable that would be to us. We have a big Horizon bookletmaker but it will only fold 22 pages at the max. The amazing thing is that the bookletmaker on the Konica will fold 40 sheets of paper in half and staple it. (Actually it will do 50) But that is so thick. Would you/do you even do books that thick. We don't right now because we tell people we can't. But if WE CAN is that a selling point. Do any of you do thick books like that. On the 15-22 pages there is a slight difference between the folding on the 1050 and the Horizon but not enough for the cost of the bookletmaker. This bookletmaker fold three sheets Hard at a time, puts on a saddle and adds pages and then staples. So it is very different than the bookletmakers can do when they fold all the sheets at one time. I need to make a decision NOW one way or the other. HELP ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From IRPRNTR at aol.com Fri Oct 10 16:13:57 2008 From: IRPRNTR at aol.com (IRPRNTR@aol.com) Date: Fri Oct 10 16:14:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Film output question Message-ID: In a message dated 10/10/08 7:03:23 AM, kellycrom@gmail.com writes: > For those of you who still output film(or remember from your own personal > history), we have a problem we've fought for quite some time. > > When outputting film(we have a Lino 530 w/Harlequin RIP), we run into the > issue of getting hard edges on drop shadows/vignettes that go down to the > 3-5% range. Any suggestions as to how to remedy this would be a great help. > BTW, we typically output at 175lpi at 2540dpi. > I run a Scitex Imagesetter and Rip. If I had this problem I would go into the settings of the Rip software. If your computer files are correct but film image varies, there must be something telling it to image it differently. Just like adjusting the screen values from 5% to 95% so output matches the files. TJ Litho Jr ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From sundance_print at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 16:18:55 2008 From: sundance_print at yahoo.com (Wes Cornwell) Date: Fri Oct 10 16:19:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Update removal Message-ID: <241213.1247.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The reason I didn't do a hard drive back-up is that I'm used to Macs where this kind of thing doesn't happen Wes Cornwell Sundance Printing 10240 Progress Lane Parker, CO 80134 303-841-3094 ----- Original Message ---- From: Ron Sardo To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 6:53:10 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Update removal ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** And the reason you didn't do a complete harddrive backup before you installed SP3 is? External harddrive - $100 Arconis True Image - $50 Knowing you can easily restore your system - Priceless Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 Wes Cornwell wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I installed the SP3 and it crashed (I mean crashed ) my pc. It cost me $660 to have my whole hard drive put back together again. Lord, how I hate PC's > > > Wes Cornwell > Sundance Printing > 10240 Progress Lane > Parker, CO 80134 > 303-841-3094 > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Dennis Ewing > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2008 8:14:40 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Update removal > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Why not install SP3? They have the kinks out of it now. I waited until a > couple of weeks a go to bring all my systems to SP3. Of the 6 XP boxes I > have none experienced any problems. All are running AMD CPUs. If you > really don't want to install it, uncheck it and when prompted check the > box that will skip the unchecked updates. I can't remember the exact > wording. > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > Ewing and Sons Printing > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > San Antonio, TX 78233 > dennisewing@satx.rr.com > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com > 210/650-5311 > 210/650-9916 Fax > > > > larry wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Hi, I'd like to delete the update that several PC's want to install. How would I go about doing this. It's the sp3 service pack that I want to delete. >> >> Thanks, Larry >> Desert pacific Printing >> Tucson >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From greg at pressexpress.org Fri Oct 10 16:21:44 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Fri Oct 10 16:22:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with In-Reply-To: <48EF79DA.9050703@satx.rr.com> References: <8CAF8705A7AB195-15DC-73A@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com> <200810092224.m99MO7id028729@i2bnetworks.com> <48EF79DA.9050703@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: And the file wont be "rip-able" either or designed in a way that making it print is next to impossible. greg On Oct 10, 2008, at 10:50 AM, Dennis Ewing wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I know the feeling. I bid on a directory for a professional > association. They had a locked PDF of the old one to use as a guide > to bid it and asked for a bid on the design. I was awarded the > printing, but the design went to a "professional designer" who is > charging them 4 times my bid and at this point is 3 WEEKS late on > delivering the file to me. Job was supposed to be done by October 1. > I still have no files on a simple job that could have been done in > 8=9 hours of really hitting the computer. They are getting ripped > and by the time I get the file the bid will have expired and I will > need to raise the printing for the price increase I got on the > first. Because we are printers not "professional designers" she gave > the design to someone who is not serving them well. This "designer" > is still using Quark 4. Really with the times. > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > Ewing and Sons Printing > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > San Antonio, TX 78233 > dennisewing@satx.rr.com > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com > 210/650-5311 > 210/650-9916 Fax > > > > Greg Weinfurter wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Jace is onto something here. >> >> Peoples mentality is that because you are an ad agency, you are >> allowed to charge bookoo bucks, but since we are printers we are >> not allowed to charge anything. >> >> I had a customer, first name basis, that I have been doing his menu >> for 15 years now. He insisted to keep cost down so they were >> always one color black on red card stock. (black and red were the >> restaurant colors). I go dining there last week and see a full >> color menu with pictures of food, etc. He spent $3,000 for the >> agency to come into his restaurant, shoot a half dozen pictures of >> his entree's and do a full color menu that they ran out on a >> desktop color laser printer. He never once asked me because he >> said "because I was a printer, he didn't think we did that kind of >> thing". And yes, I too can take a picture with my Canon EOS >> digital camera. >> >> $3,000! 15 years! Burns me up! >> >> I bet the guy that took the pictures got the eat the gourmet >> entr?e's too! >> >> I state that I offer "ad agency" style design but no one seems to >> care since it is still a printing company. >> >> Greg >> >> On Oct 10, 2008, at 8:33 AM, Jace Prejean wrote: >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Fri Oct 10 16:26:38 2008 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Fri Oct 10 16:23:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Graphic Whizard References: <8CAF8705A7AB195-15DC-73A@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com><200810092224.m99MO7id028729@i2bnetworks.com> <010f01c92af8$19896320$6401a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <002501c92b16$8079ca70$042967d3@kp4> We've got the 6000. Use scoring function a lot. Has several pressures for the score depending on stock. Linda Baribeau Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. Glendale, WI 414-332-2080 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike@arborprinting.com" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 11:49 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Graphic Whizard > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Anyone using a GW 150 or similar product for scoring digitally reproduced > cover stock? > Thanks, > Michael Shuta > > Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. > 5100 Academy Dr., Ste 100 > Lisle, IL 60532 > 630-969-2277 > > P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or > business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated > printing related products and services, please contact me. > I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. > Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please > don't keep us a secret! > www.arborprinting.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Cappel" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 5:21 PM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > Well along the same vein, we had a client that we've had for over 10 years > > now ( a biotech) send me an email today inviting us to bid on the printing > > we've been doing for them all this time. Corporate is trying to lower cost > > by sending our work out to bid. Here's my response verbatim: > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > You already know what are pricing is. > > > > You know if you put this out to bid in this environment you will certainly > > get pricing lower from starving printing companies grasping for business. > > > > Your designer specified the most expensive paper available in the > > marketplace. We have complied with your every wish. > > > > If lowering costs is truly the goal here, I have a myriad of ideas to help > > you accomplish this. > > > > We will create your pricing matrix for you, but I know that we will not be > > the lowest price. > > > > But we stand ready to work with you lowering your costs by adjusting specs > > if you would like to talk. > > > > Let me know your thoughts. > > > > Scott > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > We'll do their matrix, and then we'll have a meeting. If it turns out that > > price is now more important than the excellent service we've been giving > > them all these years, then we're not a good fit anymore. > > > > Things change, you do the best you can, but they change. > > > > If its no longer a fit, its no longer a fit. There's plenty more business > > out there to get. > > > > > > S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:51 PM 10/9/2008, you wrote: > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> > >>I have a customer that does 300 - 500 a month with us. They use around 17 > >>different forms that we have on our system. We recently sent out self > >>stick envelopes to be done. We quoted the order before sending out to be > >>printed. Now the purchaser says that we are over $854 more than the > >>printer they used for this type of envelopes. Her boss requested that I > >>give him back product to justify my cost being higher than their other > >>vendor. The order cost me $712 (Western Envelopes) I sold it for $1512 > >>w/set-up. They wouldn't tell me who charge that, but I told them that if > >>they were charging that little they won't be around very long. How would > >>you deal with this? > >> > >> > >>Copy That, Inc. > >>"Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > >>3515 E. Tremont Avenue > >>Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > >>718.892.1859 > >>718.892.2315 Fax > >>www.copythatnyc.com > >>_______________________________________________ > >>PrintOwners Discussion List > >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >> > >> > >>__________ NOD32 3508 (20081009) Information __________ > >> > >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >>http://www.eset.com > >> > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Scott Cappel > > > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > > 7398 Trade Street > > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > > 858-527-0800 > > 858-527-1740 FAX > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > > > Direct Links for Learning: > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From greg at pressexpress.org Fri Oct 10 16:24:04 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Fri Oct 10 16:24:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Wide Format Pricing In-Reply-To: <8CAF910569CFC73-17C0-200@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> References: <20081009224422.254E310CBEA7@rb.enter.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20081010073831.034c5008@bucksdigital.com> <8CAF910569CFC73-17C0-200@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <33D0CFDE-B903-4793-B77A-4D9A1AB2BD2B@pressexpress.org> signs 101 forum? What is the web address? greg On Oct 10, 2008, at 11:56 AM, Tommy Melendez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > LOL I also posted in signs101 forum & came up with 9's all around so > I sold it at $10 ea. > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Herion > To: printowners@printweb.org > Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 7:41 am > Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Wide Format Pricing > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > $13. > and after seeing this post, I think I'll broker them to Tommy :) > > At 06:44 PM 10/9/2008, you wrote: >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:53:45 -0400 >> From: "Shawn O'Neal" >> Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] RE: Wide format pricing >> To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" >> >> Message-ID: <0E22E1F2E7F54F5AAF54E94A607C712F@CopierComputer> >> >> $15 each >> >> http://www.conestogadpi.com/ >> >> 246 N Lincoln Ave Lebanon PA USA 17046 >> ? Before printing this message, make sure that it's necessary. >> The environment is in our hands. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez >> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 6:55 PM >> To: printowners@printweb.org >> Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Wide format pricing > >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> This is for owners of wide format equipment. I have an order that is >> due Thursday. 100 posters 17" x 22". Just wanted to clarify what I > want >> to quote. >> >> I'm asking for $7.25 ea. What would you charge? >> >> >> Copy That, Inc. >> "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" >> 3515 E. Tremont Avenue >> Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >> 718.892.1859 >> 718.892.2315 Fax >> www.copythatnyc.com > > Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! > NEW - GLOSS AND SATIN UV COATING > We use Recycled and Certified Papers > Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 > 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 > www.bucksdigital.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Fri Oct 10 16:28:24 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Fri Oct 10 16:28:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Update removal In-Reply-To: <241213.1247.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <241213.1247.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48EFBAE8.6000503@sugarloafprint.com> Hard drives fail on any platform Backups are cheap Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 Wes Cornwell wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The reason I didn't do a hard drive back-up is that I'm used to Macs where this kind of thing doesn't happen > > > Wes Cornwell > Sundance Printing > 10240 Progress Lane > Parker, CO 80134 > 303-841-3094 > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Ron Sardo > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 6:53:10 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Update removal > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > And the reason you didn't do a complete harddrive backup before you > installed SP3 is? > > External harddrive - $100 > Arconis True Image - $50 > Knowing you can easily restore your system - Priceless > > Ron Sardo > Sugarloaf Print Shop > mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com > www.sugarloafprint.com > 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 > > > > Wes Cornwell wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I installed the SP3 and it crashed (I mean crashed ) my pc. It cost me $660 to have my whole hard drive put back together again. Lord, how I hate PC's >> >> >> Wes Cornwell >> Sundance Printing >> 10240 Progress Lane >> Parker, CO 80134 >> 303-841-3094 >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Dennis Ewing >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2008 8:14:40 AM >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Update removal >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Why not install SP3? They have the kinks out of it now. I waited until a >> couple of weeks a go to bring all my systems to SP3. Of the 6 XP boxes I >> have none experienced any problems. All are running AMD CPUs. If you >> really don't want to install it, uncheck it and when prompted check the >> box that will skip the unchecked updates. I can't remember the exact >> wording. >> >> Dennis W. Ewing Sr >> Ewing and Sons Printing >> 12000 Crownpoint, #130 >> San Antonio, TX 78233 >> dennisewing@satx.rr.com >> ewingandsons@satx.rr.com >> 210/650-5311 >> 210/650-9916 Fax >> >> >> >> larry wrote: >> >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Hi, I'd like to delete the update that several PC's want to install. How would I go about doing this. It's the sp3 service pack that I want to delete. >>> >>> Thanks, Larry >>> Desert pacific Printing >>> Tucson >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From IRPRNTR at aol.com Fri Oct 10 16:32:31 2008 From: IRPRNTR at aol.com (IRPRNTR@aol.com) Date: Fri Oct 10 16:32:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with Message-ID: Yes, we all have been there one way or another. Worst I had. Car dealership, three years doing 2 color lth eps and bus card masters w/black imprint. No problems. A 'designer' came in, redesigned their logo, now 3 color. We did 2 or 3 runs of stationery and printed 40m bus card masters. After a few weeks of no imprint orders, we called to see how they were doing. Wouldn't take our calls. Finally got a face to face after 3 visits to their office. The 'designer' was getting it printed for them. We did get paid for the masters they never used, but I was outraged that they never gave us a chance to compete, never called us about it, and wouldn't take our calls. Cowards!! TJ Litho Jr In a message dated 10/10/08 8:53:13 AM, dennisewing@satx.rr.com writes: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I know the feeling. I bid on a directory for a professional association. > They had a locked PDF of the old one to use as a guide to bid it and > asked for a bid on the design. I was awarded the printing, but the > design went to a "professional designer" who is charging them 4 times my > bid and at this point is 3 WEEKS late on delivering the file to me. Job > was supposed to be done by October 1. I still have no files on a simple > job that could have been done in 8=9 hours of really hitting the > computer. They are getting ripped and by the time I get the file the bid > will have expired and I will need to raise the printing for the price > increase I got on the first. Because we are printers not "professional > designers" she gave the design to someone who is not serving them well. > This "designer" is still using Quark 4. Really with the times. > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > Ewing and Sons Printing > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > San Antonio, TX 78233 > dennisewing@satx.rr.com > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com > 210/650-5311 > 210/650-9916 Fax > > > > Greg Weinfurter wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Jace is onto something here. > > > > Peoples mentality is that because you are an ad agency, you are > > allowed to charge bookoo bucks, but since we are printers we are not > > allowed to charge anything. > > > > I had a customer, first name basis, that I have been doing his menu > > for 15 years now.? He insisted to keep cost down so they were always > > one color black on red card stock. (black and red were the restaurant > > colors).? I go dining there last week and see a full color menu with > > pictures of food, etc.? He spent $3,000 for the agency to come into > > his restaurant, shoot a half dozen pictures of his entree's and do a > > full color menu that they ran out on a desktop color laser printer.? > > He never once asked me because he said "because I was a printer, he > > didn't think we did that kind of thing".? And yes, I too can take a > > picture with my Canon EOS digital camera. > > > > $3,000! 15 years!? Burns me up! > > > > I bet the guy that took the pictures got the eat the gourmet entr?e's > > too! > > > > I state that I offer "ad agency" style design but no one seems to care > > since it is still a printing company. > > > > Greg > > > > On Oct 10, 2008, at 8:33 AM, Jace Prejean wrote: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From copythatnyc at aol.com Fri Oct 10 16:55:13 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Fri Oct 10 16:55:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with In-Reply-To: <48EF8D20.6090405@copycats.com> References: <8CAF8705A7AB195-15DC-73A@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com> <0B44CB70-07EC-41F8-BC42-9A7545785A17@pressexpress.org> <8CAF90EE3167D10-17C0-149@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com><48EF88A8.70908@copycats.com> <48EF8D20.6090405@copycats.com> Message-ID: <8CAF9319FE6878C-17C0-1181@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> Well I haven't returned or going to refund any money. I stipulated the price before I send the order out. The new purchasing agent that gave me the order, ok'd it for print. She had the quotes for three weeks prior to us getting the ok. The old PA still works there & she was the one that is complaining about the bill. As I told them before, I sell my service & don't sell on price. Now Michael has explained that Hisacount does work for the medical field. So why are they using me now? Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stor To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 1:13 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? One more thing Tommy.? ? If I gave the price up-front and it was accepted, I would not discount after the fact. You devalue your work.? ? I would explain to the customer that we did everything as requested and that my policy is that we guarantee our work - if you are not happy with it, return it for a full credit. Then I would pick up the envelopes and shred them. You will have pain now eating the $800 in costs, but you will spare20yourself the pain of after-the fact negotiation on every job you ever do for them going forward.? ? Regards,? Bob Stor? Copycats? New York, NY? 212-557-2111 x20? www.copycats.com? ? Robert Stor wrote:? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > Tommy,? >? > http://tinyurl.com/4r4ptc? >? > I don't see any Strathmore on there.? >? > Regards,? > Bob Stor? > Copycats? > New York, NY? > 212-557-2111 x20? > www.copycats.com*? > *? > Tommy Melendez wrote:? >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >>? >> Here is where I am so far. Client has no paper work to show old >> pricing. So they provided me with a teL# 800.645.5220 & their acct#.? >>? >> It may be me, I'm all clogged with a head cold. Couldn't quite hear >> the name of the place.? >> Pricing on self stick #24 Stratmore Ivory? >>? >> 2500 $477.17? >> 5000 $954.00? >>? >> I believe the name was Histaccounts Anyone know them? It seems like >> they do other work than just printing.? >>? >> Now What Batman LOL!!!? >>? >>? >> Copy That, Inc.? >> "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service"? >> 3515 E. Tremont Avenue? >> Bronx, N.Y. 10465? >> 718.892.1859? >> 718.892.2315 Fax? >> www.copythatnyc.com? >>? =0 A>>? >> -----Original Message-----? >> From: Greg Weinfurter ? >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> ? >> Sent: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 6:43 pm? >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with? >>? >>? >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> They sound like a good customer and monthly repeat orders are gravy >> so keeping them is important, however, too many people play games and >> I have caught people lying about getting it cheaper just to get >> better pricing. >> But rather than telling them you think that they might be lying, ask >> for a copy of the competitive invoice so you may compare and VERIFY >> that the specs are accurate. Quite often, I find that they are >> comparing peaches to apples. Heck, they might be getting plain jane >> number 10's?? >> >> >> But it appears that your scenario is different. First of all, you >> said that you quoted it to them. They must have given you the go >> ahead to print based on the price you provided, so you printed and >> invoiced the customer. Now after they get the envelopes, they >> complain about pricing? >> Just about every printer is different. Using different equipment and >> thus giving different pricing. I can do 4 color process on my >> Heidelberg QM 46-2 (two color, two passes, two sides) but it is much >> more efficient to=2 0print process with a 26 inch 6 color and therefore, >> walk all over me price wise. Perhaps someone is more efficient at >> processing the envelopes (but I don't see how). >> Split the difference and move on??? >> 300-500/month is not a bad little account. >> Interesting to see how this unfolds. >> Greg >> On Oct 9, 2008, at 4:51 PM, Tommy Melendez wrote: >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> I have a customer that does 300 - 500 a month with us. They use > >> around 17 different forms that we have on our system. We recently > >> sent out self stick envelopes to be done. We quoted the order before >> > sending out to be printed. Now the purchaser says that we are over >> > $854 more than the printer they used for this type of envelopes. >> Her > boss requested that I give him back product to justify20my cost >> being > higher than their other vendor. The order cost me $712 >> (Western > Envelopes) I sold it for $1512 w/set-up. They wouldn't >> tell me who > charge that, but I told them that if they were charging >> that little > they won't be around very long. How would you deal with >> this?? >>> >>> >>> Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" >>> 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 >>> Fax www.copythatnyc.com >>> _______________________________________________ PrintOwners >>> Discussion List Post: P rintOwners@printweb.org Info: >>> http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> --> This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content >>> by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. >> >> >> Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone >> 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org >> Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express >> is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider >> _______________________________________________ PrintOwners >> Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: >> http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>? >> _______________________________________________? >> PrintOwners Discussion List? >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >>? >>? >>? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? >? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From dominick at fmtc.com Fri Oct 10 17:17:33 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Fri Oct 10 17:17:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF help Message-ID: <48EFC66D.5070708@fmtc.com> I have spent over 2 hours trying to figure out how to make a PDF into an "fill in form" document, like we all use on the internet. I am using Acrobat Pro 7, and thought it was a few simple steps to make a useable form. Is there any short cuts anyone wants to share, or, what would you charge me to turn a form into one? I have both InDesign CS2 original, and the PDF. Thanks in advance, Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com From char at themasterspress.com Fri Oct 10 17:56:04 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Fri Oct 10 17:56:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] K1050 question In-Reply-To: <7AA4E499F75C454D864713FEF2958D3384B0FE@BE09.exg4.exghost.com> References: <3739AC1CE1DC4312A5B94137944335F1@CharXP> <7AA4E499F75C454D864713FEF2958D3384B0FE@BE09.exg4.exghost.com> Message-ID: <31392032EC9A46AF99DD8149BA792948@CharXP> Thanks for everyone's help. I really appreciate the input and the calls. I think at this time for what is will cost on a monthly basis, for right now it will be better for us to use the offline. We can always change our mind and order another one but once I have it I can't change my mind. If I did not have a really good offline Horizon it would be a whole different thought process. This really helped me make a decision. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3513 (20081010) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Fri Oct 10 21:41:14 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Fri Oct 10 21:41:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] sp3 and backup sardo Message-ID: What's dumb is saying you won't do it. Almost as dumb as not running Antivirus software on any platform. You deserve any problem you may encounter. Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop _____________________________________________________________________ I hear they have pills for your issues. Call the muscle man and see what's working for him these days. LT Tucson From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Fri Oct 10 21:55:53 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Fri Oct 10 21:55:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 1600 varieties Message-ID: It will vary - I don't have an exact breakdown. Between 1000 and 25,000 of each version It's a crazy job. Craig Craig Dellinger President New Haven Print & Copy ________________________________________________________________________ The pages are stapled to the envelope? If so, what happens to the completed piece downstream? Does it get inserted into something? This doesn't sound complicated so far, but I don't think I have all the facts. No, we can't do it, but I believe I know who can. With a jet press, and a forms press that prints beautiful color and does an amazing variety of bindery functions. For example, are ALL the envelopes printed the same, or are they specific to the 1300 varieties? Maybe a quick phone call would be faster: 520-745-8004. Need the tiny details; which direction does the envelope lay on the copies? More questions. Call if you want to pursue it. I can get a yes/no to you fast. Thanks, Larry Desert Pacific From copythatnyc at aol.com Sat Oct 11 00:25:30 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Sat Oct 11 00:26:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Wide Format Pricing In-Reply-To: <33D0CFDE-B903-4793-B77A-4D9A1AB2BD2B@pressexpress.org> References: <20081009224422.254E310CBEA7@rb.enter.net><7.0.1.0.2.20081010073831.034c5008@bucksdigital.com><8CAF910569CFC73-17C0-200@FWM-D40.sysops.aol.com> <33D0CFDE-B903-4793-B77A-4D9A1AB2BD2B@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: <8CAF97087AFEB47-CDC-106A@WEBMAIL-DC12.sysops.aol.com> LOL www.signs101.com click here Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg Weinfurter To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 1:24 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Wide Format Pricing ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? signs 101 forum? What is the web address?? ? greg? ? On Oct 10, 2008, at 11:56 AM, Tommy Melendez wrote:? ? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > LOL I also posted in signs101 forum & came up with 9's all around so > I sold it at $10 ea.? >? >? > Copy That, Inc.? > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service"? > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue? > Bronx, N.Y. 10465? > 718.892.1859? > 718.892.2315 Fax? > www.copythatnyc.com? >? >? > -----Original Message-----? > From: Bob Herion ? > To: printowners@printweb.org? > Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 7:41 am? > Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Wide Format Pricing? >? >? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > $13.? > and after seeing this post, I think I'll broker them to Tommy :)? >? > A t 06:44 PM 10/9/2008, you wrote:? >> Message: 1? >> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:53:45 -0400? >> From: "Shawn O'Neal" ? >> Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] RE: Wide format pricing? >> To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'"? >> ? >> Message-ID: <0E22E1F2E7F54F5AAF54E94A607C712F@CopierComputer>? >>? >> $15 each? >>? >> http://www.conestogadpi.com/? >>? >> 246 N Lincoln Ave Lebanon PA USA 17046? >> ? Before printing this message, make sure that it's necessary.? >> The environment is in our hands.? >>? >>? >> -----Original Message-----? >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org? >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez? >> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 6:55 PM? >> To: printowners@printweb.org? >> Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Wide format pricing? >? >>? >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >>? >> This is for owners of wide format equipment. I have an order that is? >> due Thursday. 100 posters 17" x 22". Just wanted to clarify what I? > want? >> to quote.? >>? >> I'm asking for $7.25 ea. What would you charge?? >>? >>? >> Copy That, Inc.? >> "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service"? >> 3515 E. Tremont Avenue? >> Bronx, N.Y. 10465? >> 718.892.1859? >> 718.892.2315 Fax? >>=2 0www.copythatnyc.com? >? > Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too!? > NEW - GLOSS AND SATIN UV COATING? > We use Recycled and Certified Papers? > Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510? > 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940? > www.bucksdigital.com? >? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? > --> This message has been scanned for viruses and? > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is? > believed to be clean.? >? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From copythatnyc at aol.com Sat Oct 11 00:33:57 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Sat Oct 11 00:34:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAF971B5731C0F-CDC-1088@WEBMAIL-DC12.sysops.aol.com> Want to add to this thread. I'm a board member of our merchants association. We are having another street fair this SAT & I found out while I was going our for orders that a little PUNK 21 yr old is going around stealing my clients. One of my regulars ordered two 30" x 40" posters that I sell for $60 + set-up He went to all my regulars with a $20 a piece price. This is insane. I charge more for the set-up & he's providing this for ea. I hope he either can't make the deadline 9 am or the quality is bad! I lost around 7 orders. I know you can't win them all. But these are my peeps : ) Will inform good or bad Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: IRPRNTR@aol.com To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 1:32 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: How to deal with ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Yes, we all have been there one way or another. Worst I had. Car dealership, three years doing 2 color lth eps and bus card masters w/black imprint. No problems. A 'designer' came in, redesigned their logo, now 3 color. We did 2 or 3 runs of stationery and printed 40m bus card masters. After a few weeks of no imprint orders, we called to see how they were doing. Wouldn't take ou r calls. Finally got a face to face after 3 visits to their office. The 'designer' was getting it printed for them. We did get paid for the masters they never used, but I was outraged that they never gave us a chance to compete, never called us about it, and wouldn't take our calls. Cowards!! TJ Litho Jr In a message dated 10/10/08 8:53:13 AM, dennisewing@satx.rr.com writes: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I know the feeling. I bid on a directory for a professional association. > They had a locked PDF of the old one to use as a guide to bid it and > asked for a bid on the design. I was awarded the printing, but the > design went to a "professional designer" who is charging them 4 times my > bid and at this point is 3 WEEKS late on delivering the file to me. Job > was supposed to be done by October 1. I still have no files on a simple > job that could have been done in 8=9 hours of really hitting the > computer. They are getting ripped and by the time I get the file the bid > will have expired and I will need to raise the printing for the price > increase I got on the first. Because we are printers not "professional > designers" she gave the design to someone who is not serving them well. > This "designer" is still using Quark 4. Really with the times. > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > Ewing and Sons Printing > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > San Antonio, TX 78233 > dennisewing@satx.rr.com > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com > 210/650-5311 > 210/650-9916 Fax > > > > Greg Weinfurter wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Jace is onto something here. > > > > Peoples mentality is that because you are an ad agency, you are > > allowed to charge bookoo bucks, but since we are printers we are not > > allowed to charge anything. > > > > I had a customer, first name basis, that I have been doing his menu > > for 15 years now.? He insisted to keep cost down so they were always > > one color black on red card stock. (black and red were the restaurant > > colors).? I go dining there last week and see a full color menu with > > pictures of food, etc.? He spent $3,000 for the agency to come into > > his restaurant, shoot a half dozen pictures of his entree's and do a > > full color menu that they ran out on a desktop color laser printer.? > > He never once asked me because he said "because I was a printer, he > > didn't think we did that kind of thing".? And yes, I too can take a > > picture with my Canon EOS digital camera. > > > > $3,000! 15 years!? Burns me up! > > > > I bet the guy that took the pictures got the eat the gourmet entr?e's > > too! > > > > I state that I offer "ad agency" style design but no one seems to care > > since it is still a printing company. > > > > Greg > > > > On Oct 10, 2008, at 8:33 AM, Jace Prejean wrote: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Sat Oct 11 07:56:23 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Sat Oct 11 07:56:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Photoshop Update Deadline Message-ID: <2BCDEEA10BCC49C7996894F009DD573D@Leo4allPC> Those working with older versions of Photoshop should bear in mind that Adobe has changed its policy as to what products are eligible for update. You are now permitted to skip only three product cycles before having to purchase a full version of Photoshop rather than an update. A deadline of Wednesday 15 October has been announced. If you are still working with Photoshop 7, you can't update it after that time I would assume this will be true about the whole CS suite also, so when 4 comes out you must be at CS2 or higher. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From printer at ptialaska.net Sat Oct 11 14:07:27 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Sat Oct 11 14:07:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quark File Message-ID: <0B21DC7D-7085-4A2E-82EC-E64C9E120541@ptialaska.net> I have a quark file that I need converted to either pdf, indesign or illustrator (I do not have quark). Anyone help? Thanks, _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From info at desktopsxm.com Sat Oct 11 15:07:46 2008 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Sat Oct 11 15:07:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quark File In-Reply-To: <0B21DC7D-7085-4A2E-82EC-E64C9E120541@ptialaska.net> References: <0B21DC7D-7085-4A2E-82EC-E64C9E120541@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <8C00C9F4-72E2-40ED-9C24-392C0A6533D1@desktopsxm.com> suggest you buy Q2ID from Markzware. I can do it for you using the above but it will have to wait till Monday to do it in the office. I had the same problem and it kept on reoccurring so I went online and bought it immediately. Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten Tel 542-4044 fax 543-1100 "The Printshop with a Difference" On Oct 11, 2008, at 2:07 PM, Charles A. Lincoln wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a quark file that I need converted to either pdf, indesign or > illustrator (I do not have quark). Anyone help? > > Thanks, > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From jodib at blackfoot.net Sat Oct 11 15:12:59 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Sat Oct 11 15:13:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quark File References: <0B21DC7D-7085-4A2E-82EC-E64C9E120541@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <008601c92bd5$5fe436f0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Charles: I should be able to import that into indesign and then make you a pdf. I have InDesign on the pc and mac...do you know if they make the fonts to curves (or outline?) or whether it was pc or mac? I'm at work for another hour (or so) if you needed that today. Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles A. Lincoln" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:07 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Quark File > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a quark file that I need converted to either pdf, indesign or > illustrator (I do not have quark). Anyone help? > > Thanks, > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From char at themasterspress.com Sat Oct 11 15:18:14 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Sat Oct 11 15:18:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Specialized checks- self seal. Message-ID: We have a customer that has these self seal type check blanks with a lot of safety screens printed and then all the sealing glue around the edges. We called many forms companies without much luck. The one we did finally use was Central States which has been pretty good in the past but they have redone these twice now and still won't work. They get glue on the edge, this time there is a lot of paper dust on the sides and getting in the customers printers and messing them up - so says the Xerox guy. We are talking about 150M copies so it is a good size job. These are the ones that are done with these automated payment systems like at banks and places like that. They fold up and seal all around the edges. Looking for anyone who has done a similar job and has a good supplier. I think they use to get these from Xerox but is wanting us to do the job. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com From StevePrint at aol.com Sat Oct 11 15:22:36 2008 From: StevePrint at aol.com (StevePrint@aol.com) Date: Sat Oct 11 15:22:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quark File Message-ID: It most likely should be opened in Quark to make sure everything is linked before converting to a PDF. Went through this recently. We actually purchased Quark to do this. We did make a PDF prior to opening in Quark and images weren't linked and some fonts needed to be updated. Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From jdaghir at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 18:09:07 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Sat Oct 11 18:09:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Film output question In-Reply-To: <000801c92ae0$8f102290$ad3067b0$@com> References: <000801c92ae0$8f102290$ad3067b0$@com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620810111509u77660596i96c82d5a8de75e19@mail.gmail.com> Sounds to me like one of your calibrations curves might be bad and is clipping your highlights. If I remeber correctly Harlequins can have up to 3 different calibration curves - a plate curve, a press curve and a third curve that I've forgotton the name of. Are all of your highlights getting clipped or just the edges of drop shadows? -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Kelly said: > For those of you who still output film(or remember from your own personal > history), we have a problem we've fought for quite some time. > > When outputting film(we have a Lino 530 w/Harlequin RIP), we run into the > issue of getting hard edges on drop shadows/vignettes that go down to the > 3-5% range. Any suggestions as to how to remedy this would be a great help. > BTW, we typically output at 175lpi at 2540dpi. From craig at newhavenprint.com Sat Oct 11 21:31:00 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Sat Oct 11 21:30:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 1600 varieties In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48F15354.4050503@newhavenprint.com> Well, I've already submitted a quote. And we were the only one to make the deadline. That probably doesn't mean anything though. It's too big of a job for technicalities. The specs are 11,000,000 sets of a 6 piece stapled set. There's a top color sheet, (4) 2-sided black and white sheets, and an envelope (I'm figuring a self-contained envelope that's perfed on an 8.5x11 sheet. Planning on running the color sheets on press, then running the black and white sheets and envelope on several Nuveras - the color sheet would be inserted. All we'd do then is put them in a box and ship. They'll be going to 1300 different school corporations around the country. Different quantities, different copy. I quoted it really high, and figured we'd figure out how to do it if lightening really does strike. I'll try to get some ideas at Graph Expo in a couple weeks. The envelope is the same on all the versions. Craig Craig Dellinger President New Haven Print & Copy Fort Wayne, Indiana larry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > It will vary - I don't have an exact breakdown. Between 1000 and 25,000 > of each version > It's a crazy job. > > Craig > > Craig Dellinger > President > New Haven Print & Copy > ________________________________________________________________________ > > The pages are stapled to the envelope? If so, what happens to the completed piece downstream? Does it get inserted into something? > > This doesn't sound complicated so far, but I don't think I have all the facts. No, we can't do it, but I believe I know who can. > > With a jet press, and a forms press that prints beautiful color and does an amazing variety of bindery functions. > > For example, are ALL the envelopes printed the same, or are they specific to the 1300 varieties? Maybe a quick phone > call would be faster: 520-745-8004. > > Need the tiny details; which direction does the envelope lay on the copies? More questions. Call if you want to pursue it. > > I can get a yes/no to you fast. > > Thanks, Larry > Desert Pacific > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From oren66 at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 11 22:07:14 2008 From: oren66 at sbcglobal.net (Arie Teomi) Date: Sat Oct 11 22:07:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] End of Lease Scam In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620810100602g38dca649y8b2d02a341097435@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <286869.50513.qm@web83405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> About 15 years ago I leased a small copier. At the end of the term I received Packing and Shipping instructions (Wooden box etc.) The good part of it was that they gave me an option to purchase it at a very reasonable price. >From that moment I decided that as much as I can control it I will not do a FMV lease. When the time came for new leasing I started to use CIT. I have been doing a $1.00 buyout leases and they rates are very competitive and sometime even close or better than others FMV leases. In fact the guy that was my contact became a manager and I developed very nice relationship with them. They also gave me an option to buy out the lease anytime after one year and pay the balance without penalty or interest for the unused time (I never exercised this option) Also, they never charged me property tax. I had so many leases with them and I can now get approvel in about 30 min. If anybody wants the contact information, I have it at the office. About 3 years ago I leased a Konica C500 from KMBS at a FMV option. I insisted that they put a clause that at the end of the lease KMBS is responsible to remove the machine from us. They wanted more money for it but I refused and they accepted.The vendors want to sell us their equipment and don't think that we are going to question and negotiate these detail. We are anxious to get the box and don't pay attention ourselves. So, now when we all feel the same let's do it and not let anybody scam us. Arie Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd.,?Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Jeff Daghir wrote: > From: Jeff Daghir > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] End of Lease Scam > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 9:02 AM > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I think the lower click charges with a lease versus an > outright > purchase is pretty standard with Xerox. At least every > proposal I've > gotten from them has been structured that way. I > haven't kept up with > pricing on the 242 so I can't really comment on the > lease or purchase > prices but the color click charges with the outright > purchase seems > high to me. I pay $0.075 on my c500 & $0.092 on my old > Doc 12. We run > around 17,000 clicks per month. A 60 month lease is a LONG > time for a > copier - I wouldn't do a lease that long. At the rate > things change in > the copier world it will be outdated and obsolete before > the lease is > over. If it doesn't look econmoically feasible on a 36 > month lease I > would question if it's really a sound investment. And I > don't like FMV > leases - typically the lessor's idea of FMV and yours > are miles apart. > I'd see if you can negotiate a range of FMV values or > look at a dollar > buyout lease - a capital lease instead of an operating > lease. But > there are tax differences between the two. If you > haven't done so > already I would subscribe to Larry Hunt's color copier > newsletter. He > collects and complies proposals from all his subscribes and > publishes > them every month in the newsletter. It gives you a real > good feel for > what others are paying for their copiers. He will also > evaluate any > proposal you have and give you his opinion on them. Well > worth the > subscription fee. > > http://www.larryhunt.com/ > > > > -- > Jeff Daghir > MPS Printing, Inc. > "The Ink & Paper People" > Madison, IN > www.mpsprinting.com > jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com > > > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Jeff Swoyer > wrote: > Jeff said: > > I just got a proposal from Xerox for a Doc242 (with > offsetting catch tray, > > over-sized high capacity feeder (1 tray), and Creo > RIP/Controller, which > > showed the following: > > > > With a 60-month term lease with FMV purchase option > ($928.15 per month), > > color prints billed at .0539 (fixed for term of leas) > and black only prints > > billed at .0142 (fixed for term of lease). > > > > With outright purchase (less Doc3535 trade-in > $39,650.00), color prints > > billed at .089 (increases each year) and black only > prints billed at .0129 > > (increases each year). > > > > I've never leased a copier before, always > purchased. But with the better > > click charge quoted with the lease, I'm tempted to > go with the lease. At > > 20,000 color copies per month, that's a savings of > $702.00 per month on > > click charges. > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From robin at protypeonline.com Sun Oct 12 10:51:10 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Sun Oct 12 10:51:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] New QM46-2 Update Message-ID: <365F537B-6F14-4209-945D-6A56613364EF@protypeonline.com> Simon, Amy, Dan, Greg and others, I currently have a written proposal for a brand new QM46-2, super blue, power, infra-red, delivered, installed, 3-5 days training after install, NO TRADE-IN, $1000 credit to use towards parts or service. $56,300 Presses are in stock in Georgia, he promises me that I will not get a lower price at Graph Expo and that H does not see a need to "deal" on the smaller presses like this, only on the $250,000 and up presses. At this point I think my need for the physical press is greater than my need to save another $1000, so am leaning heavily towards placing the order this week. And yes, my husband and I have looked at every tax law, advantage -- suffice it to say that for 2008 fiscal year we are going to be making Uncle Sam very happy with our contributions towards his political agenda. Rotten crops! Picked the wrong year to be prolific and profitable......:)))) As an aside, not sure too many of you will find humor in this because you really do need to have a rural/ag background to appreciate. Husband and son were combining beans yesterday on a gorgeous, sunny fall day. I inquired about yield. My son replied that it was awesome -- maybe as high as 65 bu/acre. "But, Dad is complaining because he didn't sell enough at the higher price". Good weather, great crop, working with your son, good price, new combine is working great......but still something to complain about! :)))))))) Gotta love those farmers! Back to my press..... I was asking for $45,000 to be my purchase price with them taking my existing on trade. NO LUCK!!! But sales rep was nice and didn't laugh -- at least not out loud! He offered $3000 for my existing press. What I have found is an equipment dealer in the Chicago area that will barter with me on my QM46-2. He gets the press and I get some equipment that I need. So far he has offered a brand new shrink wrap unit (we have the same one in our 2nd location and love it) $5700; used bc slitter - $ ??? (he is still trying to locate one that I we will accept), $2500 cash. I don't think this is such a bad deal but of course I am in the process of negotiating for more: $2500 cash or credit towards parts or service with them (we use them for service on our BB3000 perfect binder and Rosback slitter) $5700 shrink wrap $1500-$2000 - used bc slitter $ -- Rosback slitter upgrade, reconditioned....when he picks up the QM46-2, he also picks up our Rosback slitter and takes it back to Chicago for a rebuild/recondition/upgrade. When complete, we will pick up in Chicago. What do you think? Robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From StevePrint at aol.com Sun Oct 12 11:13:51 2008 From: StevePrint at aol.com (StevePrint@aol.com) Date: Sun Oct 12 11:13:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] New QM46-2 Update Message-ID: You could try getting a written quote from Ryobi for 3302 to use as a bargaining chip. Good Luck. Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From wayne at printingonline.com Sun Oct 12 11:37:07 2008 From: wayne at printingonline.com (Wayne Yada) Date: Sun Oct 12 11:37:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] New QM46-2 Update Message-ID: <200810121537.m9CFb27A026908@txslsmtp1.vzwmail.net> I'd say you're one heckuva negotiator, Robin! Your H deal sounds very reasonable. -----Original Message----- From: Robin Niewold Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 7:51 AM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] New QM46-2 Update ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Simon, Amy, Dan, Greg and others, I currently have a written proposal for a brand new QM46-2, super blue, power, infra-red, delivered, installed, 3-5 days training after install, NO TRADE-IN, $1000 credit to use towards parts or service. $56,300 Presses are in stock in Georgia, he promises me that I will not get a lower price at Graph Expo and that H does not see a need to "deal" on the smaller presses like this, only on the $250,000 and up presses. At this point I think my need for the physical press is greater than my need to save another $1000, so am leaning heavily towards placing the order this week. And yes, my husband and I have looked at every tax law, advantage -- suffice it to say that for 2008 fiscal year we are going to be making Uncle Sam very happy with our contributions towards his political agenda. Rotten crops! Picked the wrong year to be prolific and profitable......:)))) As an aside, not sure too many of you will find humor in this because you really do need to have a rural/ag background to appreciate. Husband and son were combining beans yesterday on a gorgeous, sunny fall day. I inquired about yield. My son replied that it was awesome -- maybe as high as 65 bu/acre. "But, Dad is complaining because he didn't sell enough at the higher price". Good weather, great crop, working with your son, good price, new combine is working great......but still something to complain about! :)))))))) Gotta love those farmers! Back to my press..... I was asking for $45,000 to be my purchase price with them taking my existing on trade. NO LUCK!!! But sales rep was nice and didn't laugh -- at least not out loud! He offered $3000 for my existing press. What I have found is an equipment dealer in the Chicago area that will barter with me on my QM46-2. He gets the press and I get some equipment that I need. So far he has offered a brand new shrink wrap unit (we have the same one in our 2nd location and love it) $5700; used bc slitter - $ ??? (he is still trying to locate one that I we will accept), $2500 cash. I don't think this is such a bad deal but of course I am in the process of negotiating for more: $2500 cash or credit towards parts or service with them (we use them for service on our BB3000 perfect binder and Rosback slitter) $5700 shrink wrap $1500-$2000 - used bc slitter $ -- Rosback slitter upgrade, reconditioned....when he picks up the QM46-2, he also picks up our Rosback slitter and takes it back to Chicago for a rebuild/recondition/upgrade. When complete, we will pick up in Chicago. What do you think? Robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ron at printingconcepts.com Sun Oct 12 13:11:41 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Sun Oct 12 13:11:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] ELECTION WORK -(NOT OFF) Message-ID: We have done exceedingly little election work. A competitor mailing house told me recently they are buried. The jobs we have done we like: cash up front, although rush, easy stuff. What have you done to get political work? Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons" "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, and of the merchants a merchant." RALPH WALDO EMERSON Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From falconprinting at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 13:51:38 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Sun Oct 12 13:51:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 6060 In-Reply-To: <00b501c92b13$7b207ef0$71617cd0$@com> Message-ID: I am the 6060's biggest advocate. It has literally taking our business to a whole new level, and has performed above and beyond my expectations. But even I can't wait for my lease to run out so I can upgrade. I imagine you'll be very happy with the Xerox 700 or KM6500, and unless you're getting a 6060 for dirt cheap (read: free), I'd recommend getting one of those machines new. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:05:00 -0500 > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Xerox 6060 > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I agree with Craig. > We have a 6060, and it is a great machine, however, the service rates(click > charges) are a lot higher than on a KM6500, or probably(haven't priced yet) > even the new Xerox 700. I assume you are probably looking at a used machine. > I know that JJ Bender has been reselling quite a few used 6060's lately(and > shipping a lot of them overseas), so if you haven't already, you might want > to give them a call for their current pricing. > > Kelly Crom > Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 > Plymouth, MN 55441 > (763)231-6970 > kellycrom@gmail.com > www.applied-graphics.com > > p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's > Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- >> bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Craig Dellinger >> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 2:18 PM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Xerox 6060 >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Hey George, >> We've never had a 6060, we did have a 2060. I think you'll find that >> although the 6060 was a wonderful machine in it's day, technology has >> passed it by. I'm not sure when the last year was that they made those, >> maybe at least 3 years ago. They might still be selling remanufactured >> versions, but if the rip is not current, I'd back away. The service >> costs to operate that machine would probably be close to double what >> you'd pay on a new Xerox 700 machine. That's what I'd recommend. Or >> even >> a KM6501 if you have good service in your area. Both of them would be >> faster and have much newer technology. If you already had a good 6060, >> it might not be worth upgrading. If you're starting fresh, I don't >> think >> you'll want that machine 3 years from now. >> >> Craig >> >> Craig Dellinger >> President >> New Haven Print & Copy >> 7531 US 930 East >> Fort Wayne, Indiana USA >> Phone: 260.493.3844 >> Fax: 260.493.3579 >> www.newhavenprint.com >> >> >> >> George Dahlquist wrote: >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Anyone out there have the X 6060 that would care to share their >>> pleasure / displeasure with this box? Also would like to know which >>> rip you are utilizing. >>> >>> George Dahlquist >>> Dahlquist Printing & Graphics >>> Orlando, FL >>> george@dahlquistprinting.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ >>> >>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From falconprinting at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 05:13:17 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Mon Oct 13 05:13:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CS3 For Mac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Does anyone have a copy of CS3 Design Premium for Mac? I have a serial number, but can't find the CDs. Anytime I try to reach Adobe I just get fast-forwarded to the wait for CS4 list. All I need is the .dmg file, I don't need a serial number. Thanks. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com From John at mpcny.com Mon Oct 13 08:06:24 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Mon Oct 13 08:06:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Prices to drop, when? Message-ID: I am going to have some fun this week with my suppliers. I am asking each when the energy surcharges and all the higher prices on products will be lowered or dropped. Oil is back to where it was a year ago, before all this started. All prices only went up from the costs of that, right? Well that is what they told me when they raised them weekly. Of course I expect to here how they product they have now was produced by the higher cost oil. But darn it they like the at gas pump sure seem to raise faster than ever lower it. I never felt the oil companies screwed us so much on the price, but really raped us on the "float time" when prices go up and down. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From jdaghir at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 08:59:57 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Mon Oct 13 09:00:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] New QM46-2 Update In-Reply-To: <365F537B-6F14-4209-945D-6A56613364EF@protypeonline.com> References: <365F537B-6F14-4209-945D-6A56613364EF@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620810130559k33dcb88es3178669630b72bb7@mail.gmail.com> I agree with Wayne - both the deal on the new QM-46 and the trade on the old one with the equipment broker looks pretty good to me. Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Robin said: > I currently have a written proposal for a brand new QM46-2, super blue, > power, infra-red, delivered, installed, 3-5 days training after install, NO > TRADE-IN, > $1000 credit to use towards parts or service. > $56,300 From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Mon Oct 13 09:35:16 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Mon Oct 13 09:35:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF help In-Reply-To: <48EFC66D.5070708@fmtc.com> References: <48EFC66D.5070708@fmtc.com> Message-ID: The only "short cut" I can tell you is: You can NOT create interactive forms on a Mac You need to use "LiveCycle Designer" it came with CS3 on the PC version of Acrobat Pro On a Mac you can use the Typewriter Tool bar located under the "Tools" menu I can also tell you that 2 hour is a fraction of the time it took me learn a fraction of the capabilities of LiveCycle Designer On Oct 10, 2008, at 5:17 PM, Dominick's Printing wrote: > I have spent over 2 hours trying to figure out how to make a PDF > into an "fill in form" document, like we all use on the internet. > > I am using Acrobat Pro 7, and thought it was a few simple steps to > make a useable form. > > Is there any short cuts anyone wants to share, or, what would you > charge me to turn a form into one? I have both InDesign CS2 > original, and the PDF. Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." - Plato From prtquick at eos.net Mon Oct 13 09:49:27 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Mon Oct 13 09:44:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] perfect binding equipment Message-ID: <55CBDA33-15F8-4658-A48A-ECE77221D87B@eos.net> What sort of equipment would you recommend for someone wanting to begin offering perfect binding? Is tabletop equipment decent, or is it a waste of money? 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Your referrals are the greatest compliment I can receive. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon Oct 13 09:46:22 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon Oct 13 09:49:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF help In-Reply-To: References: <48EFC66D.5070708@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <200810131348.m9DDmxcO014526@i2bnetworks.com> That is just not true Loren. The Mac side of Acobat Pro has the forms tool functionality just like the Windows side. Joe in response to your original question, there is no magic bullet to do this. Read the Help menu about using the Forms tool in Acrobat Pro, or look online for a myriad of sites with tutorials how to do this. Its not a push one button and its done kind of deal. There's a learning curve although its not that steep. Live Cycle Designer is a powerful tool but probably overkill for the task at hand if you just need to create a form or two. S. At 06:35 AM 10/13/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >The only "short cut" I can tell you is: >You can NOT create interactive forms on a Mac >You need to use "LiveCycle Designer" it came with CS3 on the PC >version of Acrobat Pro > >On a Mac you can use the Typewriter Tool bar located under the >"Tools" menu >I can also tell you that 2 hour is a fraction of the time it took me >learn a fraction of the capabilities of LiveCycle Designer > >On Oct 10, 2008, at 5:17 PM, Dominick's Printing wrote: > >>I have spent over 2 hours trying to figure out how to make a PDF >>into an "fill in form" document, like we all use on the internet. >> >>I am using Acrobat Pro 7, and thought it was a few simple steps to >>make a useable form. >> >>Is there any short cuts anyone wants to share, or, what would you >>charge me to turn a form into one? I have both InDesign CS2 >>original, and the PDF. > >Loren Maurina >President >L & L Printing, Inc. >dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp >dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren > >ph (586) 263-0060 >fx (586) 263-4895 > >Loren@InkOnPaper.biz > >"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." - Plato > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3517 (20081013) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Mon Oct 13 09:59:23 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Mon Oct 13 09:59:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF help In-Reply-To: <200810131348.m9DDmxcO014526@i2bnetworks.com> References: <48EFC66D.5070708@fmtc.com> <200810131348.m9DDmxcO014526@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: On Oct 13, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Scott Cappel wrote: > That is just not true Loren. The Mac side of Acobat Pro has the > forms tool functionality just like the Windows side. Sorry for the wrong info I keep forgetting that the Mac I use daily only has CS2 The Mac in the Design Dept has CS3 and does have a form designer Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." - Plato From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Mon Oct 13 10:02:01 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Mon Oct 13 10:00:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] New QM46-2 Update In-Reply-To: <20081012145123.0A22F10D2C75@rb.enter.net> References: <20081012145123.0A22F10D2C75@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <445B604C-F81B-49D6-B4BE-DB9080963A06@sheergraphics.com> > I currently have a written proposal for a brand new QM46-2, super > blue, power, infra-red, delivered, installed, 3-5 days training > after install, NO TRADE-IN, > $1000 credit to use towards parts or service. > $56,300 Great price. > I was asking for $45,000 to be my purchase price with them taking my > existing on trade. NO LUCK!!! But sales rep was nice and didn't > laugh -- at least not out loud! He offered $3000 for my existing > press. As I said, they don't want it! > So far he has offered a brand new shrink wrap unit (we have the same > one in our 2nd location and love it) $5700; used bc slitter - $ ??? > (he is still trying to locate one that I we will accept), $2500 cash. > > I don't think this is such a bad deal but of course I am in the > process of negotiating for more: > $2500 cash or credit towards parts or service with them (we use them > for service on our BB3000 perfect binder and Rosback slitter) > $5700 shrink wrap > $1500-$2000 - used bc slitter > $ -- Rosback slitter upgrade, reconditioned....when he picks up the > QM46-2, he also picks up our Rosback slitter and takes it back to > Chicago for a rebuild/recondition/upgrade. When complete, we will > pick up in Chicago. > > What do you think? > Robin Anything more than $8,500 in cash or kind would be good. At your proposed buying prices, how long will he be in business to service your machines? Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From tufelkinder at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 10:35:11 2008 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Mon Oct 13 10:35:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF help In-Reply-To: <48EFC66D.5070708@fmtc.com> References: <48EFC66D.5070708@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0810130735p316745dbgbd8c7760f5501aa8@mail.gmail.com> Hi Joe, Could you send me the form in question off-list? I'd like to take a look and see how complex it is. I've never found forms to be terribly time-consuming and there are some neat shortcuts (at least as of Acrobat 8) for creating multiple form fields. Thanks, Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ The best way out is always through. -- Robert Frost From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Mon Oct 13 10:36:06 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Mon Oct 13 10:36:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I love email timing Message-ID: <4645AFDF-5643-4992-B0CD-15CC5309C57D@inkonpaper.biz> I sent 1st email to List this am at 9:35 Received reply from Scott at 9:50 Sent 2nd email to List at 9:59 Recieved my 2nd email from List at 10:00 Recieved my 1st email from list at 10:14 In Spanglish - I got a response, sent a response, received my response before I received my original question I love email Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." - Plato From John at mpcny.com Mon Oct 13 10:37:03 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Mon Oct 13 10:37:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: ELECTION WORK -(NOT OFF) In-Reply-To: <20081013133533.4B4D510D4DEF@rb.enter.net> References: <20081013133533.4B4D510D4DEF@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <050369B1207A481A8CA9FB1FD9E48946@Leo4allPC> We did over $70,000 last Oct and we did over $40,000 so far this year. You need to be connected with the party to get into this. By that I mean I keep a $1000 a year chairman's club membership, with the local republicans. I also attend some of the major events. Last week I was at a former US ambassadors home for cocktails. I was there for a state senator we have done over $14,000 in work for so far year a minor but nice account So far this year Kathy and I took out in a republican primary a 20 year sitting judge with the party endorsement, no major issues against him and he has never taken a bribe or molested a kid We are known to be the people to go to if you want to get elected. We write (Kathy writes) the platform and run the campaigns', pretty much becoming marketing campaign manager. Our real claim to fame, is we won a race for a 3rd party candidate against a guy with the both Dem and rep lines. We now get candidates lining us up in January. Ask Thom we are doing his. I am sorry but I cannot give out the exact information as it has cost me a lot of time and money to develop my system. I can say you have to be in touch with all the local political dynamics and be able to give advice that is pertained to local race. Sure it is really just print and mail, but what you say how you say and when you do it is the trick. We do both Democrat and republicans. Last year out of 11 races we won 7. Only one person lost that I thought had a chance. One loser was a strip club owner, the 2nd a 79 year old woman who would not put up signs or go meet people. The 3rd was local handy man, with tax and bankruptcy issues running on accountability, I am good but not that good. Last we do let some charge the judge does and the senate. They pay in 10 days or less. WE do this with the understandings that have worked with them and they personal guaranty the money. In the judge race the guy who lost ordered 24,000 9x12 post cards full color to be mailed the weekend of the primary. The ad agency went home on Friday afternoon early. The printer told them COD. The mailer told them COD. They were a few dollars short and someone did not drop it off. They could reach not reach the judge or agency so it never got mailed to after the vote. Now they are suing each other on who pays the printer? The mailer? Or the agency? The now soon to be former judge is pissed. It may be clear to us, but your dealing in politics and all 3 are now being blamed. So you need to work with people and know the landscape if you want in. The really big races you need also to be union in most cases as they are funded by Pacs or the state parties. I find the local races to be most profitable. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From eking at whidbeyprinters.com Mon Oct 13 10:38:36 2008 From: eking at whidbeyprinters.com (Eric at Whidbey Printers) Date: Mon Oct 13 10:38:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] New QM46-2 Update In-Reply-To: <200810121537.m9CFb27A026908@txslsmtp1.vzwmail.net> Message-ID: I echo that statement. Very good deal indeed. We paid $65k for ours in 2002, with no $1000 credit towards parts and service, and only 2 days training. On 10/12/08 8:37 AM, "Wayne Yada" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'd say you're one heckuva negotiator, Robin! Your H deal sounds very > reasonable. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robin Niewold > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 7:51 AM > To: printowners printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] New QM46-2 Update > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Simon, Amy, Dan, Greg and others, > > I currently have a written proposal for a brand new QM46-2, super > blue, power, infra-red, delivered, installed, 3-5 days training after > install, NO TRADE-IN, > $1000 credit to use towards parts or service. > $56,300 > Presses are in stock in Georgia, he promises me that I will not get a > lower price at Graph Expo and that H does not see a need to "deal" on > the smaller presses like this, only on the $250,000 and up presses. > At this point I think my need for the physical press is greater than > my need to save another $1000, so am leaning heavily towards placing > the order this week. And yes, my husband and I have looked at every > tax law, advantage -- suffice it to say that for 2008 fiscal year we > are going to be making Uncle Sam very happy with our contributions > towards his political agenda. Rotten crops! Picked the wrong year to > be prolific and profitable......:)))) As an aside, not sure too many > of you will find humor in this because you really do need to have a > rural/ag background to appreciate. > Husband and son were combining beans yesterday on a gorgeous, sunny > fall day. I inquired about yield. My son replied that it was awesome > -- maybe as high as 65 bu/acre. "But, Dad is complaining because he > didn't sell enough at the higher price". Good weather, great crop, > working with your son, good price, new combine is working > great......but still something to complain about! :)))))))) Gotta love > those farmers! > > Back to my press..... > > I was asking for $45,000 to be my purchase price with them taking my > existing on trade. NO LUCK!!! But sales rep was nice and didn't laugh > -- at least not out loud! He offered $3000 for my existing press. > > What I have found is an equipment dealer in the Chicago area that will > barter with me on my QM46-2. He gets the press and I get some > equipment that I need. > So far he has offered a brand new shrink wrap unit (we have the same > one in our 2nd location and love it) $5700; used bc slitter - $ ??? > (he is still trying to locate one that I we will accept), $2500 cash. > > I don't think this is such a bad deal but of course I am in the > process of negotiating for more: > $2500 cash or credit towards parts or service with them (we use them > for service on our BB3000 perfect binder and Rosback slitter) > $5700 shrink wrap > $1500-$2000 - used bc slitter > $ -- Rosback slitter upgrade, reconditioned....when he picks up the > QM46-2, he also picks up our Rosback slitter and takes it back to > Chicago for a rebuild/recondition/upgrade. When complete, we will pick > up in Chicago. > > What do you think? > > Robin > > > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > Robin Niewold > robin@protypeonline.com > > > PAXTON > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > > NORMAL > 203 North Street > Normal, IL 61761 > 309.452.4409 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > -- 2003 & 2002 Quality Award - Oak Harbor Chamber of Commerce 2001 Business of the Year - Oak Harbor Chamber of Commerce Eric King Whidbey Printers 1330 SW Barlow St #1 Oak Harbor, WA 98277 360-675-8837 Fax 360-679-4120 eking@whidbeyprinters.com From bherion at bucksdigital.com Mon Oct 13 10:59:29 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Mon Oct 13 10:59:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: perfect binding equipment In-Reply-To: <20081013143846.9748010D5151@rb.enter.net> References: <20081013143846.9748010D5151@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20081013104816.035d3b18@bucksdigital.com> Gail, Table top is decent, yes, but it depends on your needs and plans. I had a fastback binder that we used over 8 hours a day for years and it was an okay bind, but certainly not representative of the integrity and quality available these days. We soon made a purchase of a BQ 240 and had well over a million binds before moving to the BQ 270 we have today (and we are VERY happy). Of the machines available, I always liked the Standard - Horizon line the best. If you are seriously able to promote perfect binding in-house, then you should seriously look at their equipment. They have a model 150 that might just be the starter for you. If you have any questions about these units as you begin speaking with salespeople, feel free to email me direct. Best, Bob At 10:38 AM 10/13/2008, you wrote: >What sort of equipment would you recommend for someone wanting to >begin offering perfect binding? Is tabletop equipment decent, or is >it a waste of money? > >Gail Finke >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >8630 Winton Road >Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! NEW - GLOSS AND SATIN UV COATING We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From nelsonind at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 13 11:35:01 2008 From: nelsonind at sbcglobal.net (Curtis Nelson) Date: Mon Oct 13 11:35:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] re: IR 105 - looking for a fuser section or complete machine Message-ID: <48F36AA5.2050508@sbcglobal.net> Hi everyone, I am looking to buy a Canon ImageRunner 105 and found one without a fuser section for a really good price - $1,200 plus shipping. The vendor claims it was stolen in shipping and received a nice discount for the theft (which he is willing to pass on). Would anyone know where to buy a used fuser section for a IR 105? I'm also open to buying the entire machine at a very good price. Thank you in advance, Curtis Nelson Nelson Industries, San Jose, CA 95112 (408) 452-0116 From printer at ptialaska.net Mon Oct 13 12:09:16 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Mon Oct 13 12:09:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF help In-Reply-To: References: <48EFC66D.5070708@fmtc.com> Message-ID: On Oct 13, 2008, at 5:35 AM, Loren Maurina wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The only "short cut" I can tell you is: > You can NOT create interactive forms on a Mac > You need to use "LiveCycle Designer" it came with CS3 on the PC > version of Acrobat Pr REPLY: WHAT!!!! Of course you can do interactive forms on a Mac, it was made for that. Simply design your form in InDesign, export as a pdf, then open it in Acrobrat pro and format away. We do it all the time. This is much simpler than everyone is trying to make it. Really simple. Who on earth told you that you cannot create one on a Mac. Macs are totally designed for graphics, period. You do not need any add ons like LiveCycle Designer to do it, it works right out of the box... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From david at commercialpressink.com Mon Oct 13 12:20:19 2008 From: david at commercialpressink.com (David Charleson) Date: Mon Oct 13 12:16:30 2008 Subject: SPAM-MED: [PrintOwners] re: IR 105 - looking for a fuser section or complete machine In-Reply-To: <48F36AA5.2050508@sbcglobal.net> References: <48F36AA5.2050508@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48F37543.1070003@commercialpressink.com> Try to google Precision Roller in Arizona they have a good asst. of copier parts they might have one -- David Charleson Commercial Press Inc. 216 Cowan Rd Canton NY 13617 P 315.386.3431 david@commercialpressink.com www.commercialpressink.com Curtis Nelson wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi everyone, > I am looking to buy a Canon ImageRunner 105 and found one without a > fuser section for a really good price - $1,200 plus shipping. > The vendor claims it was stolen in shipping and received a nice > discount for the theft (which he is willing to pass on). > Would anyone know where to buy a used fuser section for a IR 105? > I'm also open to buying the entire machine at a very good price. > > Thank you in advance, > Curtis Nelson > Nelson Industries, San Jose, CA 95112 > (408) 452-0116 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From printer at ptialaska.net Mon Oct 13 12:28:40 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Mon Oct 13 12:28:45 2008 Subject: Fwd: [PrintOwners] PDF help References: Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: > Sorry for the wrong info > I keep forgetting that the Mac I use daily only has CS2 > The Mac in the Design Dept has CS3 and does have a form designer REPLY: Wrong again, CS2 works fine for pds as well. Here it is. Step 1. Design the form in InDesign, make it is intricate as you like. Step 2. Export as pdf Step 3. Open in Acrobat Pro Step 4. Format away using the tools in Acrobat. Voila! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From printer at ptialaska.net Mon Oct 13 12:31:29 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Mon Oct 13 12:31:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] re: IR 105 - looking for a fuser section or complete machine In-Reply-To: <48F36AA5.2050508@sbcglobal.net> References: <48F36AA5.2050508@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <42362B6D-DF94-4619-961B-635F9B5EBF8A@ptialaska.net> On Oct 13, 2008, at 7:35 AM, Curtis Nelson wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi everyone, > I am looking to buy a Canon ImageRunner 105 and found one without a > fuser section for a really good price - $1,200 plus shipping. > The vendor claims it was stolen in shipping and received a nice > discount for the theft (which he is willing to pass on). > Would anyone know where to buy a used fuser section for a IR 105? REPLY: If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From greg at pressexpress.org Mon Oct 13 12:57:02 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon Oct 13 12:57:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CS3 For Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can't you download the CS3 file from Adobe???? Greg On Oct 13, 2008, at 4:13 AM, Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone have a copy of CS3 Design Premium for Mac? I have a > serial > number, but can't find the CDs. Anytime I try to reach Adobe I just > get > fast-forwarded to the wait for CS4 list. All I need is the .dmg > file, I > don't need a serial number. Thanks. > > > Borzou Azabdaftari > Falcon Print and Copy > 1921 Gallows Road > Suite 150 > Vienna, VA 22182 > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From tims_printowner at schreurprinting.com Mon Oct 13 13:23:56 2008 From: tims_printowner at schreurprinting.com (Tim PrintOwner) Date: Mon Oct 13 13:24:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] ISO Certification In-Reply-To: <20081013143846.7BF5310D514E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: This morning, after a few weeks of waiting, I got the ok to supply to a new account. If I play my hand right this could turn out to be a great account. Shortly after the "go" I received the question "Are you ISO certified by chance?" The quick answer is no. So my question...is it your experience that a no answer to ISO Certification is a deal breaker? Also, what is it like to get certified? Time, $$$? tia ----------- Tim Schreur President Schreur Printing - Since 1946 "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" P 616-392-4405 F 616-392-4296 w www.schreurprinting.com From printer at ptialaska.net Mon Oct 13 13:42:30 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Mon Oct 13 13:42:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quark File In-Reply-To: <008601c92bd5$5fe436f0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> References: <0B21DC7D-7085-4A2E-82EC-E64C9E120541@ptialaska.net> <008601c92bd5$5fe436f0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Message-ID: Special thanks to Doug, Jodi, Joel, Steve and Jack Edwards for converting the Quark file for me (on a weekend no less) Gotta love this list! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From robin at protypeonline.com Mon Oct 13 14:11:55 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Mon Oct 13 14:12:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: ISO Certification Message-ID: <8DA33D3B-F938-4991-89A7-CDA42CFDEA1A@protypeonline.com> Tim, I don't think you need to worry. I supply a national forms distributor with one specific product. I am one of 3 "preferred providers" for them (with regard to one product only). We JUST got a 20 page document they want all of their providers to complete. At the top it states, "if you are ISO certified, you do not need to complete". We are not, we are VERY small and the entire 20 page document does not apply to us. We do not have security measures in place for disposing of our printed waste (I can take a picture of my burn pile at home on the farm!!!) nor do I have a quality control manual, nor do I have documentation for employee qualifications to produce said product. They buy from us because we have a good price, good product and deliver to THEIR customers on time. I wouldn't worry if I were you, just provide them with what information you DO have. Not all companies are as small as mine so I am sure some of the big places will have documentation and detailed info. needed. Congrats and good luck with the new account. Robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From sos at olympus.net Mon Oct 13 14:17:23 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Oct 13 14:17:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bulk Mailing References: Message-ID: <2BE0936B8C6048AEB1B6A311799C3289@DANIEL> Non-machinable bulk mailings, 5 digit sort is now $0.343 each, but Mixed sort are $0.561. That's substantially more than First Class. I don't get it. Why would anyone do a bulk mailing anymore if it costs More than First Class? And what really is the difference between Machinable and Nonmachinable? And what is the difference between Automation and Nonautomation? And better yet, where do you go to learn this stuff? You'd think the post office itself, but no one at the local post office has a clue. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From homedespot1 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 14:30:57 2008 From: homedespot1 at yahoo.com (J.S.A.) Date: Mon Oct 13 14:31:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] websites for printers In-Reply-To: <2BE0936B8C6048AEB1B6A311799C3289@DANIEL> Message-ID: <308599.99283.qm@web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hiya, Do any of you use websites for printers? If so have any of you customized the online ordering/forms aspect of this? If yes can you point me to your webpage? I'm setting one up and I would like to see some examples of well done pages. Thanks! Jennifer Adelman formerly of Roller Printing Arlington, VA From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 15:10:42 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Oct 13 15:10:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: perfect binding equipment In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20081013104816.035d3b18@bucksdigital.com> References: <20081013143846.9748010D5151@rb.enter.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20081013104816.035d3b18@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0810131210v38421a85hb46e30393b37bafc@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Bob Herion wrote: > > > Of the machines available, I always liked the Standard - Horizon line the > best. > If you are seriously able to promote perfect binding in-house, then you > should seriously look at their equipment. > I have an operable Standard Horizon Bind Fast-5 -- a discontinued table-top model (http://www.a-1enterprises.com/photo.php?id=743, and http://www.paperhandlingsolutions.com/binding.htm -- scroll to the end, and http://pfequip.com/specsheet/bind-fast5.html -- specs and operating manual) that we rarely use and that I'd be willing to sell. > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Sir Francis Bacon > From sos at olympus.net Mon Oct 13 15:15:13 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Oct 13 15:15:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] websites for printers References: <308599.99283.qm@web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7B76E8203C3540918E4171BDFEBC9EC0@DANIEL> > Hiya, > > Do any of you use websites for printers? If so have any of you customized > the online ordering/forms aspect of this? If yes can you point me to your > webpage? I'm setting one up and I would like to see some examples of well > done pages. =============== No, I don't have website for printers, but I am curious how you got from New Mexico to Washington D.C. and from Roller Printing to where ever you are now. If you'd care to share any details. If not, that's fine. Good luck to you whatever. Just idle curiosity. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From printer at ptialaska.net Mon Oct 13 15:47:58 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Mon Oct 13 15:48:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Punch for IR 105 In-Reply-To: <308599.99283.qm@web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <308599.99283.qm@web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9E5AD3D1-6464-41BD-86AA-84AFF048D91A@ptialaska.net> We are looking for a punch for our IR 105 for doing COMB BINDING. It came with 6 punches, but not that one... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From digitaldeb at graphiccreations.com Mon Oct 13 16:05:30 2008 From: digitaldeb at graphiccreations.com (Debbie Billings) Date: Mon Oct 13 16:05:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Nashville small run book binding needed In-Reply-To: <20081013143846.9748010D5151@rb.enter.net> References: <20081013143846.9748010D5151@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: I have a customer around Nashville that wants to do a "personal project" which will need perfect or hard bound but only 5 copies of the "poem" book. Anyone in that area that you may know of that has the "short run" book binding now and that I could recommend? Thanks, Debbie Billings Graphic Creations, Inc. 1809 Lake Avenue Knoxville, TN 37916 865-522-6221 debbie@graphiccreations.com From greg at pressexpress.org Mon Oct 13 17:29:21 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon Oct 13 17:29:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bulk Mailing In-Reply-To: <2BE0936B8C6048AEB1B6A311799C3289@DANIEL> References: <2BE0936B8C6048AEB1B6A311799C3289@DANIEL> Message-ID: I am not an expert for all I do is simple mailings and not that many, but. . .. Form 3602-EZ1 Letters 3.3 oz or less, non-automated letters are at .216 for dscf and .26 for mixed. > And what really is the difference between Machinable and > Nonmachinable? > And what is the difference between Automation and Nonautomation? Automated is CASS with the 5+4 zip and extended bar codes. Machinable I think is having ink jetted addresses that are consistent that they can run thru their machines and avoid hand processing such as hand written envelopes. And if I sound like an idiot answering this it is because every time I go to the post office and ask for help, the Post Master shakes the "Quick Start Guide" and barks "EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW IS IN THIS GUIDE" or she remarks, "YOU HAVE A PERMIT, THEREFORE, YOU MUST KNOW HOW TO DO MAILINGS, RIGHT?" She (our postmaster) is a battle axe if there ever was one. She is the female version of a shouting "Sergeant Carter" from "Gomer Pile" (for those of you that old enough to remember that). All postal employee's tremble around her, they fear her, they fear for their jobs, they won't give any info to anyone because of fear. Oh man, the nightmare stories I could share with this list about our PostMaster. Her rejection rate is tremendous. If a tab is just a hair outside of the "guide" when doing tabs on CASS mailers, she rejects it. She has rejected semi trucks of printed mailings. It goes on and on and on and on and on. She is real terror. My only guess is that on Halloween she goes as herself. Greg On Oct 13, 2008, at 1:17 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Non-machinable bulk mailings, 5 digit sort is now $0.343 each, but > Mixed sort are $0.561. That's substantially more than First Class. > I don't get it. Why would anyone do a bulk mailing anymore if it > costs More than First Class? > > > > And better yet, where do you go to learn this stuff? You'd think the > post office itself, but no one at the local post office has a clue. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From si at ria.net Mon Oct 13 17:47:15 2008 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Mon Oct 13 17:50:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bulk Mailing In-Reply-To: <2BE0936B8C6048AEB1B6A311799C3289@DANIEL> References: <2BE0936B8C6048AEB1B6A311799C3289@DANIEL> Message-ID: <20081013145000.E333B1A9@sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net> At 02:17 PM 10/13/2008, Dan Huntingford wrote: >Non-machinable bulk mailings, 5 digit sort is now $0.343 each, but >Mixed sort are $0.561. That's substantially more than First Class. >I don't get it. Why would anyone do a bulk mailing anymore if it >costs More than First Class? There's a 20c per piece surcharge for non-machinable first class mail, so that would make it 62c, more than the mixed sort bulk rate. Rigid, non-rectangular or not uniformly thick pieces would be $1.17 minimum for first class. Doug Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From bernies at printnetusa.com Mon Oct 13 18:21:53 2008 From: bernies at printnetusa.com (BernieS) Date: Mon Oct 13 18:21:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Nashville small run book binding needed In-Reply-To: References: <20081013143846.9748010D5151@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <6E0865F5FEAE4D96AD4F2D69A940AD6E@DG2CHT61> We do perfect binding... What Size Book?? Bernie Schreiber 615.385.9100 bernies@printnetusa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Billings Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 3:06 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Nashville small run book binding needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a customer around Nashville that wants to do a "personal project" which will need perfect or hard bound but only 5 copies of the "poem" book. Anyone in that area that you may know of that has the "short run" book binding now and that I could recommend? Thanks, Debbie Billings Graphic Creations, Inc. 1809 Lake Avenue Knoxville, TN 37916 865-522-6221 debbie@graphiccreations.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From robin at protypeonline.com Mon Oct 13 18:23:25 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Mon Oct 13 18:23:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: websites for printers Message-ID: Hiya right back at you Jen! What are you doing now? Back in printing? Relocated? What's the scoop? No, I do not use Website for Printers but lots and lots of other printers do use that service. Robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Mon Oct 13 18:27:26 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Mon Oct 13 18:26:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bulk Mailing In-Reply-To: <20081013215010.D5D6610D60AA@rb.enter.net> References: <20081013215010.D5D6610D60AA@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: There really is a great website: You just have to poke around and all the information is there. The many links to definitions are very helpful. ..... but no one at the local post office has a clue.... That's not uncommon, especially at the smaller offices. Don't rely on the local opinions - read and comprehend the Domestic Mail Manual via the website. YOU can educate THEM!! > Non-machinable bulk mailings, 5 digit sort is now $0.343 each, but > Mixed sort are $0.561. That's substantially more than First Class. > I don't get it. Why would anyone do a bulk mailing anymore if it > costs More than First Class? > > And what really is the difference between Machinable and > Nonmachinable? > > And what is the difference between Automation and Nonautomation? > > And better yet, where do you go to learn this stuff? You'd think the > post office itself, but no one at the local post office has a clue. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From char at themasterspress.com Mon Oct 13 18:52:34 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Mon Oct 13 18:52:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: websites for printers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jen we use it - just changed over. Like others where are you. I am not sure I did not know you were not in NM. What's the scoop.] ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 5:23 PM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: websites for printers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hiya right back at you Jen! What are you doing now? Back in printing? Relocated? What's the scoop? No, I do not use Website for Printers but lots and lots of other printers do use that service. Robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3519 (20081013) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3519 (20081013) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From homedespot1 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 21:27:59 2008 From: homedespot1 at yahoo.com (J.S.A.) Date: Mon Oct 13 21:28:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Where are they now [OFF] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <808546.55218.qm@web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The short story is that I sold the business in Santa Fe and moved to Arlington, VA. I have a great deal of family here. I am working as a free-lance consultant more or less doing things for printers or designers that they know they should do themselves but don't have time for but need someone who understands the business to do...if that makes sense. Like you all know you should get those templates done in Printsmith, but who has time? Or you all know that you should use the online estimating part of websites for printers but who has time? And only you can do it right? I mostly stay on here for sentimental reasons, but I haven't posted because I really haven't felt that I had the right to. I enjoy watching ya'll though... So I'm having fun, doing lots of back end web work, design, programming etc. I am home when the kids come home from school. I can set my own hours and I can see my sister when I want...I can also date because there are actual people to date in the Washington, Metro area but that is another story.... Jennifer Adelman formerly of Roller Arlington, VA Non possumus bibere tota die, si non incipimus bibere bene mane. --------------------------------------------------------------- Art, like morality, consists of drawing the line somewhere -G.K. Chesterton ter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Nancy at printingresources.com Mon Oct 13 22:26:10 2008 From: Nancy at printingresources.com (Nancy Dediemar) Date: Mon Oct 13 22:26:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bulk Mailing In-Reply-To: <2BE0936B8C6048AEB1B6A311799C3289@DANIEL> References: <2BE0936B8C6048AEB1B6A311799C3289@DANIEL> Message-ID: Dan, The standard mail rates you cite are good for mail weighing up to 3.3 ounces. A first class letter is 42 cents for the first ounce, 59 cents for up to 2 ounces, and 76 cents for up to 3 ounces. So you are right -- if the letter weighs under 1 ounce, then first class single-piece (meaning: mailed one at a time) is less expensive. Postage rates are based on a combination of work sharing and efficient processing. Automation mail is presented with a complete address and a machine readable delivery point bar code on each mail piece, and mail pieces are presented in trays with lids that are strapped shut and have a machine-readable bar code label describing the ZIP codes that are in the tray. Non automation mail is presorted but lacks the delivery point bar code, so has more processing steps. Machinable and non machinable are new categories (from May 2007) and relate to the physical characteristics of the mail piece and whether they can be processed using equipment. Your frustration with trying to learn how to prepare mailings for postage discounts is shared by many. I'm not aware of any place you can go to get the information quickly and easily. Most mailers have acquired the knowledge in the usual ways -- by trial and error, by talking to other mailers, by joining trade associations, etc. Also, it was much easier to learn mailing before 1996 when machine processing was much less prevalent. Nancy Nancy DeDiemar Printing Resources of Southern California 893 W 9th St, Upland, CA 91786 909/981-5715 phone 909/981-9396 FAX http://www.printingresources.com mailto:nancy@printingresources.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:17 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Bulk Mailing ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Non-machinable bulk mailings, 5 digit sort is now $0.343 each, but Mixed sort are $0.561. That's substantially more than First Class. I don't get it. Why would anyone do a bulk mailing anymore if it costs More than First Class? And what really is the difference between Machinable and Nonmachinable? And what is the difference between Automation and Nonautomation? And better yet, where do you go to learn this stuff? You'd think the post office itself, but no one at the local post office has a clue. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon Oct 13 23:22:33 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon Oct 13 23:25:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Where are they now [OFF] In-Reply-To: <808546.55218.qm@web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <808546.55218.qm@web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200810140325.m9E3PAJ9070946@i2bnetworks.com> Life is a series of chapters, looks like you've started a new one. You have friends here, don't be a stranger. S. At 06:27 PM 10/13/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >The short story is that I sold the business in Santa Fe and moved to >Arlington, VA. I have a great deal of family here. > >I am working as a free-lance consultant more or less doing things >for printers or designers that they know they should do themselves >but don't have time for but need someone who understands the >business to do...if that makes sense. > >Like you all know you should get those templates done in Printsmith, >but who has time? Or you all know that you should use the online >estimating part of websites for printers but who has time? And only >you can do it right? > >I mostly stay on here for sentimental reasons, but I haven't posted >because I really haven't felt that I had the right to. I enjoy >watching ya'll though... > >So I'm having fun, doing lots of back end web work, design, >programming etc. I am home when the kids come home from school. I >can set my own hours and I can see my sister when I want...I can >also date because there are actual people to date in the Washington, >Metro area but that is another story.... > >Jennifer Adelman >formerly of Roller >Arlington, VA > >Non possumus bibere tota die, si non incipimus bibere bene mane. >--------------------------------------------------------------- >Art, like morality, consists of drawing the line somewhere >-G.K. Chesterton >ter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3519 (20081013) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Oct 14 00:31:09 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Oct 14 00:31:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Street Fair Message-ID: <8CAFBCCD0DA84E4-1150-2735@webmail-db20.sysops.aol.com> My Friday Thread I wrote/ I'm a board member of our merchants association. We are having another street fair this SAT & I found out while I was going our for orders that a little PUNK 21 yr old is going around stealing my clients. One of my regulars ordered two 30" x 40" posters that I sell for $60 + set-up He went to all my regulars with a $20 a piece price. This is insane. I charge more for the set-up & he's providing this for ea. I hope he either can't make the deadline 9 am or the quality is bad! I lost around 7 orders. I know you can't win them all. But these are my peeps : ) Will inform good or bad BAD - He got two of my clients Good - I hope he continues to go after my clients.? He did cut vinyl with 6" lettering in red,?blue & "ahem" yellow.? Three lines of text, remember the sign is 30" x 40"? He must have a desktop cutter...? I was on the a trolley going by the client I visited the day before & from the street I can see the 1st line was crooked & the spacing between all three was well, not even worth putting them up.? I could of had my 4 yr old use crayons & it would have matched.? She sells insurance & Driver's Ed course.? Nuf said From woodruff.ron at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 08:06:41 2008 From: woodruff.ron at gmail.com (Ron Woodruff) Date: Tue Oct 14 08:06:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] websites for printers In-Reply-To: <308599.99283.qm@web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <2BE0936B8C6048AEB1B6A311799C3289@DANIEL> <308599.99283.qm@web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jennifer: Not sure if this will help..... But here are the 3 WS4P sites that I have setup which show the flexibility of what can be done. http://www.jiffycalendar.com/ http://www.secureprintservice.com/ http://www.milfordprinters.com/ Thank you, Ron Woodruff Relevant Works Direct Marketing Campaign Services 22 Whitney Drive | Milford, OH 45150 | 513-248-7610 | Fax 513-248-7606 | www.RelevantWorks.com | rwoodruff@relevantworks.com On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 2:30 PM, J.S.A. wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hiya, > > Do any of you use websites for printers? If so have any of you customized the online ordering/forms aspect of this? If yes can you point me to your webpage? I'm setting one up and I would like to see some examples of well done pages. > > Thanks! > > Jennifer Adelman > formerly of Roller Printing > Arlington, VA > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Oct 14 08:40:55 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Oct 14 08:41:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:Where are they now [OFF] Message-ID: Great News Jen! Fantastic idea and use of your skills. I do not think you will have any problem at all staying as busy as you want to be! Would you please post all of your contact information. I might need your skills and experiences in the near future. Congratulatiions on your new career! Robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 08:59:30 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue Oct 14 08:59:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] ISO Certification In-Reply-To: References: <20081013143846.7BF5310D514E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <83d5b9620810140559m2576d5cna3ef526bf23f7f34@mail.gmail.com> I'd say it depends on who your customer is and what it is you are supplying to them. If for instance it's an automotive supplier or manufacturer and you are supplying something that is incorporated into their end product (an OEM supplier) then possibly yes, it might be a deal beaker. But with the same customer if your are supplying an administrative or operations related product that is only used internally (a MRO supplier in automotive-speak) then no, it probably doesn't matter. Several of our largest customers are automotive suppliers and we periodically get questions about ISO certification from them - typically as some sort of blanket letter or survey that has gone out to all their suppliers. But when we call the purchasing agent and ask it it's a problem that we're not ISO certified the response so far has always been "no, it doesn't matter for the stuff we buy from you". I will say ISO certification is usually kinda of expensive and has to be renewed every year and unless you are supplying a lot of large manufacturers or corporations it probably doesn't have much value to you or your customers. As always your mileage may vary. Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Tim PrintOwner wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > This morning, after a few weeks of waiting, I got the ok > to supply to a new account. If I play my hand > right this could turn out to be a great account. Shortly after the > "go" I received the question "Are you ISO certified by chance?" > The quick answer is no. > > So my question...is it your experience that a no answer to > ISO Certification is a deal breaker? > Also, what is it like to get certified? Time, $$$? > > tia > > ----------- > Tim Schreur > President > Schreur Printing - Since 1946 > "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" > P 616-392-4405 > F 616-392-4296 > w www.schreurprinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From srose25 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 09:41:56 2008 From: srose25 at yahoo.com (Stephen Rosenthal) Date: Tue Oct 14 09:42:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: ELECTION WORK -(NOT OFF) In-Reply-To: <050369B1207A481A8CA9FB1FD9E48946@Leo4allPC> Message-ID: <62414.75390.qm@web63905.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I don't reply on this site very often but this is a big part of my business especially this year. Right now many of our normal customers seem to be in a wait and see position with the economy. We do a great deal of election printing for mostly state house and Senate candidates. We are fortunate in doing work for both parties. We have become friends with several candidates just from having been around so long. We have people that are involved in other organizations that we participate in and have just been friends with. It seems that once they were elected they have gone out and told other members of their parties how great we are to work with. Actually at one party's candidate training last spring one of our friends stood up and told the assembly that they needed to do their printing at The Printers, inc. This brought in several candidates that we had never had contact with before. Just a few thoughts. Stephen Rosenthal The Printers, inc. Sioux Falls, SD --- On Mon, 10/13/08, John M. Henry wrote: > From: John M. Henry > Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: ELECTION WORK -(NOT OFF) > To: printowners@printweb.org > Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 9:37 AM > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We did over $70,000 last Oct and we did over $40,000 so far > this year. > > You need to be connected with the party to get into this. > By that I mean I > keep a $1000 a year chairman's club membership, with > the local republicans. > I also attend some of the major events. > > Last week I was at a former US ambassadors home for > cocktails. I was there > for a state senator we have done over $14,000 in work for > so far year a > minor but nice account > > So far this year Kathy and I took out in a republican > primary a 20 year > sitting judge with the party endorsement, no major issues > against him and he > has never taken a bribe or molested a kid We are > known to be the people > to go to if you want to get elected. We write (Kathy > writes) the platform > and run the campaigns', pretty much becoming marketing > campaign manager. > > Our real claim to fame, is we won a race for a 3rd party > candidate against a > guy with the both Dem and rep lines. We now get candidates > lining us up in > January. > > Ask Thom we are doing his. I am sorry but I cannot give out > the exact > information as it has cost me a lot of time and money to > develop my system. > I can say you have to be in touch with all the local > political dynamics and > be able to give advice that is pertained to local race. > > Sure it is really just print and mail, but what you say how > you say and when > you do it is the trick. We do both Democrat and > republicans. Last year out > of 11 races we won 7. > > Only one person lost that I thought had a chance. One loser > was a strip club > owner, the 2nd a 79 year old woman who would not put up > signs or go meet > people. The 3rd was local handy man, with tax and > bankruptcy issues running > on accountability, I am good but not that good. > > Last we do let some charge the judge does and the senate. > They pay in 10 > days or less. WE do this with the understandings that have > worked with them > and they personal guaranty the money. > > In the judge race the guy who lost ordered 24,000 9x12 post > cards full color > to be mailed the weekend of the primary. The ad agency went > home on Friday > afternoon early. The printer told them COD. The mailer told > them COD. They > were a few dollars short and someone did not drop it off. > They could reach > not reach the judge or agency so it never got mailed to > after the vote. Now > they are suing each other on who pays the printer? The > mailer? Or the > agency? > The now soon to be former judge is pissed. > > It may be clear to us, but your dealing in politics and all > 3 are now being > blamed. So you need to work with people and know the > landscape if you want > in. > > The really big races you need also to be union in most > cases as they are > funded by Pacs or the state parties. I find the local races > to be most > profitable. > > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. > PO Box 815 > 125-129 East First Street > Oswego, NY 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 fax > (315) 532-0620 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Tue Oct 14 10:26:45 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Tue Oct 14 10:26:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Update removal In-Reply-To: <241213.1247.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <241213.1247.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48F4AC25.8050409@satx.rr.com> I have had it happen 3 times on my G5 dual processor machine running tiger. Full drive backups saved my butt. It does happen to macs and in this shop more often than to the pcs. He who fails to back up is a fool waiting to lose. If your macs are not backed up do so today. As I said before, it is not if the hard drive will fail - it is when will it fail. They all quit, just some make it until you junk the computer and others don't. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Wes Cornwell wrote: > The reason I didn't do a hard drive back-up is that I'm used to Macs where this kind of thing doesn't happen > > > Wes Cornwell > Sundance Printing > 10240 Progress Lane > Parker, CO 80134 > 303-841-3094 > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Ron Sardo > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 6:53:10 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Update removal > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > And the reason you didn't do a complete harddrive backup before you > installed SP3 is? > > External harddrive - $100 > Arconis True Image - $50 > Knowing you can easily restore your system - Priceless > > Ron Sardo > Sugarloaf Print Shop > mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com > www.sugarloafprint.com > 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 > > > > W From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Tue Oct 14 10:48:22 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Tue Oct 14 10:48:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Update removal In-Reply-To: <48F4AC25.8050409@satx.rr.com> References: <241213.1247.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48F4AC25.8050409@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <48F4B136.8080909@sugarloafprint.com> Why are so many MAC users so adverse to doing full drive backups? On the PC it takes about an hour to complete and the software runs in the background. I still have full use of the system during the backup process. I usually start the backup on my way to lunch and it's just about done when we return. I'm sure there are comparable software for the Mac to let you do the same thing. Remember, Macs and PC use the same hardware, the only difference is the OS. If one of your systems died today, what would you do? Saying "Oh Shit" won't help much. Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 Dennis Ewing wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have had it happen 3 times on my G5 dual processor machine running > tiger. Full drive backups saved my butt. It does happen to macs and in > this shop more often than to the pcs. He who fails to back up is a > fool waiting to lose. If your macs are not backed up do so today. As I > said before, it is not if the hard drive will fail - it is when will > it fail. They all quit, just some make it until you junk the computer > and others don't. > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > Ewing and Sons Printing > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > San Antonio, TX 78233 > dennisewing@satx.rr.com > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com > 210/650-5311 > 210/650-9916 Fax > > > > Wes Cornwell wrote: >> The reason I didn't do a hard drive back-up is that I'm used to Macs >> where this kind of thing doesn't happen >> >> >> Wes Cornwell >> Sundance Printing >> 10240 Progress Lane >> Parker, CO 80134 >> 303-841-3094 >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Ron Sardo >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 6:53:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Update removal >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> And the reason you didn't do a complete harddrive backup before you >> installed SP3 is? >> >> External harddrive - $100 >> Arconis True Image - $50 >> Knowing you can easily restore your system - Priceless >> >> Ron Sardo >> Sugarloaf Print Shop >> mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com >> www.sugarloafprint.com >> 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 >> >> >> >> W > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Oct 14 11:42:47 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Oct 14 11:50:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] poster printing Message-ID: <38008C51-A9BB-4E2B-B2F5-993FD814BE6B@protypeonline.com> I have a customer that needs a quote today on 5000, 24" x 36", full color, full bleed, 100# glossy text, 1-sided, pdf file provided, posters. She told me last year they used a local printer that printed them for 50 cents each. This seems incredibly low to me. We do quite a bit of printing for this company already and I was thrilled she is giving me the opportunity to try to do more for them. Can any of you do this job? Price? Also, last year the company hand-rolled, by themselves, each of these posters. The customer said it took them "forever" to do this and wondered if I could quote a price on rolling also. HELP!!! And, she is looking for a price from us ASAP today. If you have a resource, please share. If you can print this job yourself, please quote. Thank you. Robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From prtquick at eos.net Mon Oct 13 09:20:53 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Tue Oct 14 11:51:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] perfect binding Message-ID: <51FFD320-8A4A-48E0-8A40-4E2E88F5BE2B@eos.net> What equipment would you suggest to get started doing perfect binding? Is tabletop equipment good enough -- is it a case of being slow but the binding holding up, or does the binding not really work? Thanks! Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - PS: Referrals are the lifeblood of my business. If your friends or business associates would benefit from my years of experience, please contact me. We will treat them with respect and provide them with great customer service. Your referrals are the greatest compliment I can receive. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -------------- next part -------------- From sos at olympus.net Tue Oct 14 11:58:36 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Oct 14 11:58:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] poster printing References: <38008C51-A9BB-4E2B-B2F5-993FD814BE6B@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: Anyone with a 40" press could print those, and $2500 doesn't seem like too bad a price. 4over.com for instance quotes $1695 for that. As far as rolling, you're on your own. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From themeistero at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 12:13:33 2008 From: themeistero at yahoo.com (steve neilson) Date: Tue Oct 14 12:13:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] poster printing Message-ID: <997603.77785.qm@web63604.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I use 4over.com, i just checked, their price is $1640 so it is about $0.32 but they don't offer hand rolling, they can ship this from dayton, Ohio good luck Steve Neilson http://www.mastgraph.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Robin Niewold To: members Member Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 8:42:47 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] poster printing ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a customer that needs a quote today on 5000, 24" x 36", full color, full bleed, 100# glossy text, 1-sided, pdf file provided, posters. She told me last year they used a local printer that printed them for 50 cents each. This seems incredibly low to me. We do quite a bit of printing for this company already and I was thrilled she is giving me the opportunity to try to do more for them. Can any of you do this job? Price? Also, last year the company hand-rolled, by themselves, each of these posters. The customer said it took them "forever" to do this and wondered if I could quote a price on rolling also. HELP!!! And, she is looking for a price from us ASAP today. If you have a resource, please share. If you can print this job yourself, please quote. Thank you. Robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From files at aloha4print.com Tue Oct 14 12:33:55 2008 From: files at aloha4print.com (Aloha Print & Copy, LLC) Date: Tue Oct 14 12:31:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Update removal In-Reply-To: <48F4B136.8080909@sugarloafprint.com> References: <241213.1247.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48F4AC25.8050409@satx.rr.com> <48F4B136.8080909@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: <58760E7A-305C-4B4B-B5DB-91492151C4F0@aloha4print.com> Saying "Oh Shit" No, we'd say, "must be an IBM!" By the way, we own mostly MACs and have always backed them up, however, when one crashed we were still able to get to the files via Diskwarrior. I can't say that about any of the IBMs that literally die. Mark Aloha Print & Copy, LLC On Oct 14, 2008, at 9:48 AM, Ron Sardo wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Why are so many MAC users so adverse to doing full drive backups? > > On the PC it takes about an hour to complete and the software runs > in the background. I still have full use of the system during the > backup process. I usually start the backup on my way to lunch and > it's just about done when we return. I'm sure there are comparable > software for the Mac to let you do the same thing. > > Remember, Macs and PC use the same hardware, the only difference is > the OS. > If one of your systems died today, what would you do? Saying "Oh > Shit" won't help much. > > Ron Sardo > Sugarloaf Print Shop > mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com > www.sugarloafprint.com > 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 > > > > Dennis Ewing wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I have had it happen 3 times on my G5 dual processor machine >> running tiger. Full drive backups saved my butt. It does happen to >> macs and in this shop more often than to the pcs. He who fails to >> back up is a fool waiting to lose. If your macs are not backed up >> do so today. As I said before, it is not if the hard drive will >> fail - it is when will it fail. They all quit, just some make it >> until you junk the computer and others don't. >> >> Dennis W. Ewing Sr >> Ewing and Sons Printing >> 12000 Crownpoint, #130 >> San Antonio, TX 78233 >> dennisewing@satx.rr.com >> ewingandsons@satx.rr.com >> 210/650-5311 >> 210/650-9916 Fax >> >> >> >> Wes Cornwell wrote: >>> The reason I didn't do a hard drive back-up is that I'm used to >>> Macs where this kind of thing doesn't happen >>> >>> >>> Wes Cornwell >>> Sundance Printing >>> 10240 Progress Lane >>> Parker, CO 80134 >>> 303-841-3094 >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Ron Sardo >>> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >>> >>> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 6:53:10 AM >>> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Update removal >>> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> And the reason you didn't do a complete harddrive backup before >>> you installed SP3 is? >>> >>> External harddrive - $100 >>> Arconis True Image - $50 >>> Knowing you can easily restore your system - Priceless >>> >>> Ron Sardo >>> Sugarloaf Print Shop >>> mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com >>> www.sugarloafprint.com >>> 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 >>> >>> >>> >>> W >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From steveprint at aol.com Tue Oct 14 12:34:01 2008 From: steveprint at aol.com (StevePrint) Date: Tue Oct 14 12:33:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] poster printing In-Reply-To: <38008C51-A9BB-4E2B-B2F5-993FD814BE6B@protypeonline.com> References: <38008C51-A9BB-4E2B-B2F5-993FD814BE6B@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <19799403.2374.4df1.afd4.825b93a5ab38@aol.com> Robin, we use PartnerPrinting.com They have a 10% off deal at moment. Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting In a message dated 10/14/08 08:51:34 Pacific Daylight Time, robin@protypeonline.com writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a customer that needs a quote today on 5000, 24" x 36", full color, full bleed, 100# glossy text, 1-sided, pdf file provided, posters. She told me last year they used a local printer that printed them for 50 cents each. This seems incredibly low to me. We do quite a bit of printing for this company already and I was thrilled she is giving me the opportunity to try to do more for them. Can any of you do this job? Price? Also, last year the company hand-rolled, by themselves, each of these posters. The customer said it took them "forever" to do this and wondered if I could quote a price on rolling also. HELP!!! And, she is looking for a price from us ASAP today. If you have a resource, please share. If you can print this job yourself, please quote. Thank you. Robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Tue Oct 14 12:40:27 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Oct 14 12:40:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bulk Mailing References: <20081013215010.D5D6610D60AA@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <2B727EB71C2E4F1B92667290B5E53974@DANIEL> > There really is a great website: You just have > to poke around and all the information is there. The many links to > definitions are very helpful. =================== Why, that's just what I've been doing for the past hour or so. But only getting more confused so far. I've only been doing bulk mailings for about 30 years. I have never, ever had any confidence I've been doing them properly. The local post office really likes all the little bundles rubber banded with just the right rubber bands. It says absolutely nothing about rubber bands in the mail manual. I wonder where that came from? And what about the little stickers, D, 3, MXD, it doesn't say anything about using those? Is that from years ago, old rules? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Tue Oct 14 12:57:59 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Tue Oct 14 12:58:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Update removal In-Reply-To: <58760E7A-305C-4B4B-B5DB-91492151C4F0@aloha4print.com> References: <241213.1247.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48F4AC25.8050409@satx.rr.com> <48F4B136.8080909@sugarloafprint.com> <58760E7A-305C-4B4B-B5DB-91492151C4F0@aloha4print.com> Message-ID: <48F4CF97.1040207@sugarloafprint.com> Mark You and I are almost on the same page Mark, at least you do a hard drive backup. Our main difference is I will not insult a Mac user because of the machine they use. (ok, maybe I might tease them because it's so easy to get them upset over such a silly thing) DiskWarrior will fix a corrupt directory, but what happens if the hard drive is dead? DiskWarrior won't help you, you would just have a dead Mac. If you don't have a full backup, you are screwed. Don't tell me that Macs don't have problems. Every time there is an OS upgrade there are a dozen or so people on this list crying that they are having trouble with the upgrade. In case you hadn't noticed Mark, IBM is not the only company making PCs. At this point I ask myself, "Why should I care if your system fails and you refused to take precautionary advise" Later Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 Aloha Print & Copy, LLC wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Saying "Oh Shit" > > No, we'd say, "must be an IBM!" > > By the way, we own mostly MACs and have always backed them up, > however, when one crashed we were still able to get to the files via > Diskwarrior. > I can't say that about any of the IBMs that literally die. > > Mark > Aloha Print & Copy, LLC > > > On Oct 14, 2008, at 9:48 AM, Ron Sardo wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Why are so many MAC users so adverse to doing full drive backups? >> >> On the PC it takes about an hour to complete and the software runs in >> the background. I still have full use of the system during the backup >> process. I usually start the backup on my way to lunch and it's just >> about done when we return. I'm sure there are comparable software for >> the Mac to let you do the same thing. >> >> Remember, Macs and PC use the same hardware, the only difference is >> the OS. >> If one of your systems died today, what would you do? Saying "Oh >> Shit" won't help much. >> >> Ron Sardo >> Sugarloaf Print Shop >> mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com >> www.sugarloafprint.com >> 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 >> >> >> >> Dennis Ewing wrote: >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> I have had it happen 3 times on my G5 dual processor machine running >>> tiger. Full drive backups saved my butt. It does happen to macs and >>> in this shop more often than to the pcs. He who fails to back up is >>> a fool waiting to lose. If your macs are not backed up do so today. >>> As I said before, it is not if the hard drive will fail - it is >>> when will it fail. They all quit, just some make it until you junk >>> the computer and others don't. >>> >>> Dennis W. Ewing Sr >>> Ewing and Sons Printing >>> 12000 Crownpoint, #130 >>> San Antonio, TX 78233 >>> dennisewing@satx.rr.com >>> ewingandsons@satx.rr.com >>> 210/650-5311 >>> 210/650-9916 Fax >>> >>> >>> >>> Wes Cornwell wrote: >>>> The reason I didn't do a hard drive back-up is that I'm used to >>>> Macs where this kind of thing doesn't happen >>>> >>>> >>>> Wes Cornwell >>>> Sundance Printing >>>> 10240 Progress Lane >>>> Parker, CO 80134 >>>> 303-841-3094 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> From: Ron Sardo >>>> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 6:53:10 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Update removal >>>> >>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>> >>>> And the reason you didn't do a complete harddrive backup before you >>>> installed SP3 is? >>>> >>>> External harddrive - $100 >>>> Arconis True Image - $50 >>>> Knowing you can easily restore your system - Priceless >>>> >>>> Ron Sardo >>>> Sugarloaf Print Shop >>>> mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com >>>> www.sugarloafprint.com >>>> 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> W >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 12:58:53 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue Oct 14 12:59:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Update removal In-Reply-To: <48F4B136.8080909@sugarloafprint.com> References: <241213.1247.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48F4AC25.8050409@satx.rr.com> <48F4B136.8080909@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620810140958j73722e7i1ca1bc0749a1ad40@mail.gmail.com> > If one of your systems died today, what would you do? I usually shout obscenities at it and kick it repeatedly. It doesn't help the workstation any but it sure makes me feel better. I do the same with the rest of the equipment in the shop whenever something misbehaves. ;-) Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 13:06:51 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Oct 14 13:06:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Update removal In-Reply-To: <58760E7A-305C-4B4B-B5DB-91492151C4F0@aloha4print.com> References: <241213.1247.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48F4AC25.8050409@satx.rr.com> <48F4B136.8080909@sugarloafprint.com> <58760E7A-305C-4B4B-B5DB-91492151C4F0@aloha4print.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0810141006k67bc3a5bs1663a288d25efb3e@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Aloha Print & Copy, LLC wrote: > > No, we'd say, "must be an IBM!" > An IBM?? As in the "IBM Personal Computer" released in 1981, from which we derive the initials "PC" to designate a non-Mac? (I know, I know: the IBM PC was't the first use of the term "personal computer," but it *was* the one that popularized the PeeCee acronym). There's a blast from the past! -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From sos at olympus.net Tue Oct 14 13:26:18 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Oct 14 13:26:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Update removal References: <241213.1247.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com><48F4AC25.8050409@satx.rr.com><48F4B136.8080909@sugarloafprint.com> <58760E7A-305C-4B4B-B5DB-91492151C4F0@aloha4print.com> Message-ID: >I can't say that about any of the IBMs that literally die. ================= IBM? Wow, how long has it been since IBM made computers? For you Macifiles, if you buy a good Windows PC, made with good quality components, if you spend about as much as you would buying a Mac, it'll last just as long, be just a trouble free as a Mac. At least that's been my experience. I am writing this on a six year old Windows XP Pro Workstation that still works just fine. It's a 2 GHz Xeon processor with only 1 gig of RAM and a SCSI 70 gig hard drive, which seems kind of quaint by today's standards, but if you back up your files regularly and keep some space available, it still runs great. XP has been 99.99% reliable for me. Oh, I shouldn't be saying that, now I'm going to crash for sure. But really, if you buy a $500 PC and then compare it to a $3,000 Mac, what do you expect? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From John at mpcny.com Tue Oct 14 13:32:36 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Tue Oct 14 13:32:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bulk Mailing In-Reply-To: <20081014165811.BE1F810D84F8@rb.enter.net> References: <20081014165811.BE1F810D84F8@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: http://www.usps.com/nationalpcc/welcome.htm My view is I love how hard they make it. It keeps the part timers out of it and the fools from cutting the prices so low you cannot make money. It will soon get harder with NCOA in few weeks and intelligent bar codes next year. Like anything else, if anyone can do it there is no money to be made. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Tue Oct 14 13:38:38 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Tue Oct 14 13:37:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bulk Mailing In-Reply-To: <20081014165811.3F47B10D84F5@rb.enter.net> References: <20081014165811.3F47B10D84F5@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <2725854D-B277-4EAF-B582-F7E3A1ABB4E2@sheergraphics.com> ..... It says absolutely nothing about rubber bands in the mail manual. I wonder where that came from? 1) enter 'bands' in search box 2) Read about 'DMM 245 Standard Mail Preparation for Discount Letters and Cards' & 'DMM 235 First-Class Mail Preparation for Discount Letters and Cards' I know an illustrated example is easier than reading, and that a friendly bulk mail acceptance clerk is a great help, but try 'QSG' Quick Service Guide. >> There really is a great website: You just have >> to poke around and all the information is there. The many links to >> definitions are very helpful. > =================== > > Why, that's just what I've been doing for the past hour or so. But > only getting more confused so far. I've only been doing bulk > mailings for about 30 years. I have never, ever had any confidence > I've been doing them properly. > The local post office really likes all the little bundles rubber > banded with just the right rubber bands. It says absolutely nothing > about rubber bands in the mail manual. I wonder where that came from? > And what about the little stickers, D, 3, MXD, it doesn't say > anything about using those? Is that from years ago, old rules? > > Dan Huntingford Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From dominick at fmtc.com Tue Oct 14 13:38:08 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Tue Oct 14 13:38:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Update removal In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620810140958j73722e7i1ca1bc0749a1ad40@mail.gmail.com> References: <241213.1247.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48F4AC25.8050409@satx.rr.com> <48F4B136.8080909@sugarloafprint.com> <83d5b9620810140958j73722e7i1ca1bc0749a1ad40@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F4D900.4070208@fmtc.com> Great one Jeff, however, last time I kicked a workstation, I really messed up my toe. So now I just huck it across the room. Makes a great "bash" sound! As for backups, minimum weekly here. We store ALL our files on external drives. Not just on one, but 3. Too many times these drives will die without any warning. The advice on this list is great, especially if you follow it. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! Jeff Daghir wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> If one of your systems died today, what would you do? > > I usually shout obscenities at it and kick it repeatedly. It doesn't > help the workstation any but it sure makes me feel better. I do the > same with the rest of the equipment in the shop whenever something > misbehaves. ;-) > > > > Jeff Daghir > MPS Printing, Inc. > "The Ink & Paper People" > Madison, IN > www.mpsprinting.com > jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1724 - Release Date: 10/14/2008 2:02 AM > From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Tue Oct 14 13:53:03 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Tue Oct 14 13:54:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Update removal In-Reply-To: References: <241213.1247.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com><48F4AC25.8050409@satx.rr.com><48F4B136.8080909@sugarloafprint.com><58760E7A-305C-4B4B-B5DB-91492151C4F0@aloha4print.com> Message-ID: <018601c92e25$b52e5530$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Aw, come on, PC'S can't be as good as MACS, haven't you seen those adds on TV where the MAC guy is way cool and the PC guy is a klutz? . Gord Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 Ph: 416 298 6996 Fax: 416 298 2771 www.xoxocyberprint.com gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com You can lick our envelopes but you can't beat our printing! -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 1:26 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Update removal ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >I can't say that about any of the IBMs that literally die. ================= IBM? Wow, how long has it been since IBM made computers? For you Macifiles, if you buy a good Windows PC, made with good quality components, if you spend about as much as you would buying a Mac, it'll last just as long, be just a trouble free as a Mac. At least that's been my experience. I am writing this on a six year old Windows XP Pro Workstation that still works just fine. It's a 2 GHz Xeon processor with only 1 gig of RAM and a SCSI 70 gig hard drive, which seems kind of quaint by today's standards, but if you back up your files regularly and keep some space available, it still runs great. XP has been 99.99% reliable for me. Oh, I shouldn't be saying that, now I'm going to crash for sure. But really, if you buy a $500 PC and then compare it to a $3,000 Mac, what do you expect? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From falconprinting at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 14:01:35 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Tue Oct 14 14:01:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Update removal In-Reply-To: <018601c92e25$b52e5530$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: Has everyone seen the Windows retaliation to that? The commercial with what rappers, indians with heads scarfs, designers, etc. saying "I'm a PC" and ending with the guy on a fishing boat yelling "and this is my office"? There was a article in the post about how that commercial was made on a Mac. I though that was pretty funny. Also.. Have you seen there's a computer service that boosts PC speed, called something like fixmypc.com. That's not it, but something like that. They say 8 times on the commercial that its only for PCs, but even the guy in that commercial is using a Mac. Apple just markets brilliantly. I don't understand why no PC makers make good looking PCs. I know they're better looking, but they're still sh*t compared to apple. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Gordon Watt > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:53:03 -0400 > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Update removal > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Aw, come on, PC'S can't be as good as MACS, haven't you seen those adds on > TV where the MAC guy is way cool and the PC guy is a klutz? . > > Gord Watt > Xoxo Cyberprint Inc > 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 > Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 > Ph: 416 298 6996 > Fax: 416 298 2771 > www.xoxocyberprint.com > gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com > > You can lick our envelopes but you can't beat our printing! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 1:26 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Update removal > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >> I can't say that about any of the IBMs that literally die. > ================= > > IBM? Wow, how long has it been since IBM made computers? > For you Macifiles, if you buy a good Windows PC, made with good quality > components, if you spend about as much as you would buying a Mac, it'll last > > just as long, be just a trouble free as a Mac. At least that's been my > experience. > I am writing this on a six year old Windows XP Pro Workstation that still > works just fine. It's a 2 GHz Xeon processor with only 1 gig of RAM and a > SCSI 70 gig hard drive, which seems kind of quaint by today's standards, but > > if you back up your files regularly and keep some space available, it still > runs great. XP has been 99.99% reliable for me. > > Oh, I shouldn't be saying that, now I'm going to crash for sure. > > But really, if you buy a $500 PC and then compare it to a $3,000 Mac, what > do you expect? > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 14:08:01 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Oct 14 14:08:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Street Fair In-Reply-To: <8CAFBCCD0DA84E4-1150-2735@webmail-db20.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAFBCCD0DA84E4-1150-2735@webmail-db20.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0810141108n5e12d4edyd74264d65e6084ef@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:31 AM, Tommy Melendez wrote: > > I could of had my 4 yr old use crayons & it would have matched.? She sells insurance & > Driver's Ed course.? Nuf said > Your 4 year old does? I hope she doesn't also teach the course. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Tue Oct 14 14:19:21 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Tue Oct 14 14:19:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Update removal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48F4E2A9.7040100@satx.rr.com> Lets see. I'm replacing for a client an 8 year old Dell that he bought a top end machine with a 19 inch CRT monitor. System still runs well and the only problem is the monitor has had it and it is a bit slow compared to today's machines. He is getting an AMD Phenom processor, Gigabyte main board, 4 gigs of memory, a raid mirror drive and Blu-Ray burner with a 24 inch high-def monitor. Spending about 3000.00 or so. This is not for the boss, it is for the hired hand. He won't replace this one for another 8 years. Apples to Apples so to speak. If you spend as much on a PC as you do a Mac you get parts that are as good. I have a PC that I bought when XP first came out. Can't remember exactly, but I think it was in 2001. It sits on a desk at my house and I use it for e-mail and internet at the house. Runs great and I ran it for 3 years without an anti-virus. I put one on a couple of months ago and it was still clean. I understand PCs and they work well for me. The Mac OS makes no sense at all to me and I fight it every time I boot. I use it to output customer files. I have had 3 updates kill it. I would be lost without backups for it as it has several customer files on it along with their fonts to use to run them. Many of those files came to me from the agency without the customer getting a copy. I have one corporate account that would be very angry with me if I lost their stuff. I back up, do you? Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Has everyone seen the Windows retaliation to that? The commercial with what > rappers, indians with heads scarfs, designers, etc. saying "I'm a PC" and > ending with the guy on a fishing boat yelling "and this is my office"? There > was a article in the post about how that commercial was made on a Mac. I > though that was pretty funny. > > Also.. Have you seen there's a computer service that boosts PC speed, called > something like fixmypc.com. That's not it, but something like that. They > say 8 times on the commercial that its only for PCs, but even the guy in > that commercial is using a Mac. > > Apple just markets brilliantly. I don't understand why no PC makers make > good looking PCs. I know they're better looking, but they're still sh*t > compared to apple. > > > Borzou Azabdaftari > Falcon Print and Copy > 1921 Gallows Road > Suite 150 > Vienna, VA 22182 > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > > >> From: Gordon Watt >> Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:53:03 -0400 >> To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >> >> Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Update removal >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Aw, come on, PC'S can't be as good as MACS, haven't you seen those adds on >> TV where the MAC guy is way cool and the PC guy is a klutz? . >> >> Gord Watt >> Xoxo Cyberprint Inc >> 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 >> Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 >> Ph: 416 298 6996 >> Fax: 416 298 2771 >> www.xoxocyberprint.com >> gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com >> >> You can lick our envelopes but you can't beat our printing! >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford >> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 1:26 PM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Update removal >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> >>> I can't say that about any of the IBMs that literally die. >>> >> ================= >> >> IBM? Wow, how long has it been since IBM made computers? >> For you Macifiles, if you buy a good Windows PC, made with good quality >> components, if you spend about as much as you would buying a Mac, it'll last >> >> just as long, be just a trouble free as a Mac. At least that's been my >> experience. >> I am writing this on a six year old Windows XP Pro Workstation that still >> works just fine. It's a 2 GHz Xeon processor with only 1 gig of RAM and a >> SCSI 70 gig hard drive, which seems kind of quaint by today's standards, but >> >> if you back up your files regularly and keep some space available, it still >> runs great. XP has been 99.99% reliable for me. >> >> Oh, I shouldn't be saying that, now I'm going to crash for sure. >> >> But really, if you buy a $500 PC and then compare it to a $3,000 Mac, what >> do you expect? >> >> Dan Huntingford >> SOS Printing >> 2319 Washington Street >> Port Townsend, WA 98368 >> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >> sos@olympus.net >> (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From awbunny at earthlink.net Tue Oct 14 14:37:12 2008 From: awbunny at earthlink.net (Amy E Watson) Date: Tue Oct 14 14:37:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] perfect binding In-Reply-To: <51FFD320-8A4A-48E0-8A40-4E2E88F5BE2B@eos.net> References: <51FFD320-8A4A-48E0-8A40-4E2E88F5BE2B@eos.net> Message-ID: <9ACFAC9A-409C-461C-803C-3A0F0259DCEA@earthlink.net> Gail, The biggest difference between table and the bigger machines I think is the milling of the spine. The bigger machines (we have had a Sulby III and now a Horizon BQ 270) have a saw type blade and smaller tips that grind the spine. This does a few important things. First it evens the block by sawing off a small part of the block. It also leaves a slightly ragged surface that allows the glue to bind to. The smaller bits cut a circular type pattern as well, providing more surface for the glue. The danger with the tabletop binders is the lack of adhesion. It can lead to binding failure. There is no surface for the glue to bind to. We started with a bigger machine, but we do alot of perfect binding for our size. We have heard some have problems when binding digital copies as well with the tabletops. There are many types of glue, ask your supplier. If you decide to go tabletop if you make the extra effort to keep the grain correct it gives you a little extra insurance. If you have any questions please call. Good luck! Richard 1984 PRINTING 674 B 23rd Street Oakland, CA 94612 510.551.7209 richard@1984printing.com www.1984printing.com On Oct 13, 2008, at 6:20 AM, Scott Finke wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > What equipment would you suggest to get started doing perfect > binding? Is tabletop equipment good enough -- is it a case of being > slow but the binding holding up, or does the binding not really work? > > Thanks! > > Gail Finke > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Phone: (513) 522.2679 > Fax (513) 522.2692 > Email: info@brentwood-printing.com > www.Brentwood-Printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > PS: Referrals are the lifeblood of my business. > If your friends or business associates would benefit > from my years of experience, please contact me. > We will treat them with respect and provide them > with great customer service. Your referrals are the > greatest compliment I can receive. > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Send us your file at: > http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Oct 14 14:39:47 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Oct 14 14:40:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Street Fair In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0810141108n5e12d4edyd74264d65e6084ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CAFBCCD0DA84E4-1150-2735@webmail-db20.sysops.aol.com> <98f5b19a0810141108n5e12d4edyd74264d65e6084ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CAFC435DC5F500-1760-CB9@WEBMAIL-MB04.sysops.aol.com> Wow I must have written it wrong.? The client is an insurance & driver's ed teacher.? She got would she paid for Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Vogel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 2:08 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Street Fair ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:31 AM, Tommy Melendez wrote: > > I could of had my 4 yr old use crayons & it would have matched.? She sells insurance & > Driver's Ed course.? Nuf said > Your 4 year old does? I hope she doesn't also teach the course. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From slb at inkspot.net Tue Oct 14 17:26:20 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Oct 14 17:26:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] pricing/stock availability question In-Reply-To: <8CAFC435DC5F500-1760-CB9@WEBMAIL-MB04.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAFBCCD0DA84E4-1150-2735@webmail-db20.sysops.aol.com>, <98f5b19a0810141108n5e12d4edyd74264d65e6084ef@mail.gmail.com>, <8CAFC435DC5F500-1760-CB9@WEBMAIL-MB04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <48F4D63C.9689.6116B93@slb.inkspot.net> Occasionally, customers want their color brochures on coated cover, instead of coated text. We used to be able to buy GalerieArt digital gloss cover in both 12x18 and 18x12. (The other options only seemed to be available grain short). Now that Galerie is changing its line, we can't find a digital gloss cover that comes grain long. 1. What do you do? Is there a long grain option we haven't found? Do you run 1-up on the short grain paper? Do you run it (and score and fold) with the grain the wrong way? 2. How do you price it? I'm particular interested in what you do if you choose to run it 1-out on short-grain paper, since that doubles the costs for both the paper and the meter clicks vs running 2up on long-grain paper. TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From slb at inkspot.net Tue Oct 14 17:38:05 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Oct 14 17:38:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bindery needed in Phila area or westward In-Reply-To: <48F4D63C.9689.6116B93@slb.inkspot.net> References: <8CAFBCCD0DA84E4-1150-2735@webmail-db20.sysops.aol.com>, <8CAFC435DC5F500-1760-CB9@WEBMAIL-MB04.sysops.aol.com>, <48F4D63C.9689.6116B93@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <48F4D8FD.7286.61C2C3F@slb.inkspot.net> The bindery we used to use for larger-quantity orders that called for either mechanical binding or perfect binding appears no longer to be in business (their phone is no longer in service). Anybody got a source to recommend? We're about half-way between Philadelphia and Lancaster, and probably about the same distance from Wilmington, DE. TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 17:55:15 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Oct 14 17:55:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] pricing/stock availability question In-Reply-To: <48F4D63C.9689.6116B93@slb.inkspot.net> References: <8CAFBCCD0DA84E4-1150-2735@webmail-db20.sysops.aol.com> <98f5b19a0810141108n5e12d4edyd74264d65e6084ef@mail.gmail.com> <8CAFC435DC5F500-1760-CB9@WEBMAIL-MB04.sysops.aol.com> <48F4D63C.9689.6116B93@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0810141455l1b7bbd7fn6e1ebb7de91b94f5@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Steve Blatman wrote: > 1. What do you do? Is there a long grain option we haven't found? Do you > run 1-up on the short grain paper? Do you run it (and score and fold) with > the grain the wrong way? One option would be to cut to 12x18 from 25x38. But, using the TechniFold creasing (Tri-creaser) wheel on our Rollem, I wouldn't hesitate to fold cross-grain. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From rej at gte.net Tue Oct 14 21:24:12 2008 From: rej at gte.net (Ronald Jones) Date: Tue Oct 14 20:24:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bindery needed in Phila area or westward In-Reply-To: <48F4D8FD.7286.61C2C3F@slb.inkspot.net> References: <8CAFBCCD0DA84E4-1150-2735@webmail-db20.sysops.aol.com>, <8CAFC435DC5F500-1760-CB9@WEBMAIL-MB04.sysops.aol.com>, <48F4D63C.9689.6116B93@slb.inkspot.net> <48F4D8FD.7286.61C2C3F@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: Steve, Try calling Peggy Sipp at... RonJon Publishing, Inc. 3728 Arapaho Rd. Addison, TX 75001 800-262-3060 972-488-3060 972-488-3066 F for your perfect binding. Good Luck. Ron Jones _____________________ Dr. Ronald E. Jones RonJon Publishing, Inc. 3728 Arapaho Rd. Addison, TX 75001 800-262-3060 On Oct 14, 2008, at 1:38 PM, Steve Blatman wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The bindery we used to use for larger-quantity orders that called > for either > mechanical binding or perfect binding appears no longer to be in > business > (their phone is no longer in service). > > Anybody got a source to recommend? We're about half-way between > Philadelphia and Lancaster, and probably about the same distance from > Wilmington, DE. > > TIA, > Steve > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 14 20:29:29 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Tue Oct 14 20:29:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] pricing/stock availability question In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0810141455l1b7bbd7fn6e1ebb7de91b94f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CAFBCCD0DA84E4-1150-2735@webmail-db20.sysops.aol.com> <98f5b19a0810141108n5e12d4edyd74264d65e6084ef@mail.gmail.com> <8CAFC435DC5F500-1760-CB9@WEBMAIL-MB04.sysops.aol.com> <48F4D63C.9689.6116B93@slb.inkspot.net> <98f5b19a0810141455l1b7bbd7fn6e1ebb7de91b94f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <03256B0C-C16A-4991-90A1-BDEB18A8921B@bellsouth.net> Since we installed our Morgana Autocreaser, I no longer worry about grain direction at all..... Ben Travis Copy Express of Charlotte 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 28209 Office: 704-527-1750 Fax: 704-523-6106 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net www.mycopyexpress.com On Oct 14, 2008, at 5:55 PM, Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Steve Blatman > wrote: >> 1. What do you do? Is there a long grain option we haven't found? >> Do you >> run 1-up on the short grain paper? Do you run it (and score and >> fold) with >> the grain the wrong way? > > > One option would be to cut to 12x18 from 25x38. But, using the > TechniFold > creasing (Tri-creaser) wheel on our Rollem, I wouldn't hesitate to > fold > cross-grain. > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Sir Francis Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From michael at sirspeedy7099.com Tue Oct 14 20:32:54 2008 From: michael at sirspeedy7099.com (michael@sirspeedy7099.com) Date: Tue Oct 14 20:33:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bindery needed in Phila area or westward Message-ID: Steve, Give Delco Trade Services a call at 610-543-0920 or fax 610-543-7224. They are in Springfield Delco. Al is the owner. Regards, Michael Brown Sir Speedy Printing Center 443 West Chester Pike Havertown PA 19083-4595 (610) 789-2685 Fax (610) 789-2695 michael@sirspeedy7099.com www.sirspeedy7099.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Blatman [mailto:slb@inkspot.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 05:38 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Bindery needed in Phila area or westward ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The bindery we used to use for larger-quantity orders that called for either mechanical binding or perfect binding appears no longer to be in business (their phone is no longer in service). Anybody got a source to recommend? We're about half-way between Philadelphia and Lancaster, and probably about the same distance from Wilmington, DE. TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Oct 15 00:25:43 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Oct 15 00:28:28 2008 Subject: A plan for no data loss (was Re: [PrintOwners] Update removal) In-Reply-To: <48F4AC25.8050409@satx.rr.com> References: <241213.1247.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48F4AC25.8050409@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <200810150428.m9F4SLLF016257@i2bnetworks.com> There are some things you can do avoid all of this.... like.... Run Raid 5 servers like SNAPs or an equivalent. All your important data goes on the SNAPs...a drive fails you replace it and move on. We currently have 3 in the rack and we've never had issues. All important non-data storage boxes like a Windows Server Domain Controller (AD) or a Printers Plan server (or a PrintSmith Master) set it up with 2 mirrored drives, a RAID 1, a drive fails you just replace it and move on. For the Macs you use Time Machine with Leopard, we have a 1TB Time Capsule in my office and a 1TB Time Machine at my house, backs up my Mac Workstations and my laptop here and at home as well as my wife's at home automatically through the air. Set it and forget it...btw Windows has nothing I've ever seen like this. Its not even fair.... Drive failures are inevitable they happen all the time. Prepare for it, the tools are all out there. And this Windows vs Mac things.....so silly. Its not even close. S. At 07:26 AM 10/14/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I have had it happen 3 times on my G5 dual >processor machine running tiger. Full drive >backups saved my butt. It does happen to macs >and in this shop more often than to the pcs. He >who fails to back up is a fool waiting to lose. >If your macs are not backed up do so today. As I >said before, it is not if the hard drive will >fail - it is when will it fail. They all quit, >just some make it until you junk the computer and others don't. > >Dennis W. Ewing Sr >Ewing and Sons Printing >12000 Crownpoint, #130 >San Antonio, TX 78233 >dennisewing@satx.rr.com >ewingandsons@satx.rr.com >210/650-5311 >210/650-9916 Fax > > > >Wes Cornwell wrote: >>The reason I didn't do a hard drive back-up is >>that I'm used to Macs where this kind of thing doesn't happen >> >> >> Wes Cornwell >>Sundance Printing >>10240 Progress Lane >>Parker, CO 80134 >>303-841-3094 >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ---- >>From: Ron Sardo >>To: Discussion List for Printing Business >>Owners Only >>Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 6:53:10 AM >>Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Update removal >> >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>And the reason you didn't do a complete >>harddrive backup before you installed SP3 is? >> >>External harddrive - $100 >>Arconis True Image - $50 >>Knowing you can easily restore your system - Priceless >> >>Ron Sardo >>Sugarloaf Print Shop >>mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com >>www.sugarloafprint.com >>570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 >> >> >> >>W >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3520 (20081014) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Wed Oct 15 03:04:11 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Wed Oct 15 03:04:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 40th anniversary this week Message-ID: 40 years ago this month, we opened our first quick print shop to the public, kind of by accident. We needed the printshop to get our own printing done quicker for our ad agency...... the tiny one person print shop was never planned to be a 'real business'. Who would ever have known? Then people in the business community began to beg us to print for them so they wouldn't have to wait 3 weeks for stationery. Then the CPA said, 'take a look at your 1st year's P&L', and a new career was born. So today I want to say thanks to all the printers I know for being available to talk to me over the years, when I had questions or just scared to death, for sharing a laugh, friendship and insights w/me-- all across the country over these years. You know who you are. In those early days, there was no one to talk shop with. We found other quick print owners by looking in different phone books at the library in different states. We called and visited the nearby ones. We all shared what we knew on regular phone calls. Sure wasn't much info back then but it all worked out nicely. Oh, and the 'real printers' thought we were a joke for the first 20 years. So as someone said, I have an attitude of gratitude. Everything is still as it was back then: ongoing change and friendly print owners. Best, Larry Desert Pacific Printing Tucson From barry at wolfprinting.com Wed Oct 15 07:07:17 2008 From: barry at wolfprinting.com (Barry Wolf) Date: Wed Oct 15 07:07:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bindery needed in Phila area or westward In-Reply-To: <48F4D8FD.7286.61C2C3F@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <198B3911E32A414F8F29E0215A95E6E3@wolf1> Steve, We have used Bindagraphics in Baltimore. They are one of the largest on the east coast and have done some very large jobs for us. 410-362-7200. Regards, Barry V. Wolf Wolf Printing, LLC 1200 Haines Road York, PA 17402 717-755-1560 717-840-0496 FAX barry@wolfprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:38 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Bindery needed in Phila area or westward ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The bindery we used to use for larger-quantity orders that called for either mechanical binding or perfect binding appears no longer to be in business (their phone is no longer in service). Anybody got a source to recommend? We're about half-way between Philadelphia and Lancaster, and probably about the same distance from Wilmington, DE. TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bherion at bucksdigital.com Wed Oct 15 07:28:38 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Wed Oct 15 07:28:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: pricing/stock availability question In-Reply-To: <20081014215522.56E3F10D9183@rb.enter.net> References: <20081014215522.56E3F10D9183@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20081015072146.034c6e00@bucksdigital.com> Steve, We run the Futura line and we run Productolith. The Futura is a very nice running sheet and we use that most always, except when we need grain 18. Then its parent sheets of Productolith cut to size (we still score). Of course, there are times when we must use a specified stock and score cross grain for whatever reason - dems da breaks! We have a Graphic Wizard and a tabletop tri-creaser for scoring. Best, Bob At 05:55 PM 10/14/2008, you wrote: >1. What do you do? Is there a long grain option we haven't found? Do you >run 1-up on the short grain paper? Do you run it (and score and fold) with >the grain the wrong way? > >2. How do you price it? I'm particular interested in what you do if >you choose >to run it 1-out on short-grain paper, since that doubles the costs >for both the >paper and the meter clicks vs running 2up on long-grain paper. > >TIA, >Steve > >Steve Blatman >Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >Tel: 610-647-0776 >Fax: 610-647-4560 Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! NEW - GLOSS AND SATIN UV COATING We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From John at mpcny.com Wed Oct 15 07:50:02 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Wed Oct 15 07:50:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: pricing/stock availability question In-Reply-To: <20081014215522.56E3F10D9183@rb.enter.net> References: <20081014215522.56E3F10D9183@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Xpedx in our area has the whole future digital line, it has grain short or long. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From jdaghir at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 08:33:35 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Wed Oct 15 08:33:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] pricing/stock avail