From signal.graphics at snet.net Thu May 1 08:39:43 2008 From: signal.graphics at snet.net (Philip Bombart) Date: Thu May 1 08:41:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] IKON CCP 550 In-Reply-To: <90A2EF77-AA4B-4F2B-9B21-78F127E2B8A4@mauiprintworks.com> References: <4C059306-9E55-4D73-97E4-FAF61636408B@mauiprintworks.com><200804302044.m3UKiLfK082987@i2bnetworks.com> <90A2EF77-AA4B-4F2B-9B21-78F127E2B8A4@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: <007c01c8ab88$6e70b040$6a01a8c0@phil> In speaking with IKON yesterday concerning the CCP 550 (Konica 5500) they offered me the S450 external fiery rip at the same price as the embedded rip. The rip is their last generation rip. Does anyone have any experience with this rip? Phil Philip Bombart Signal Graphics Printing 63 Hebron Avenue Glastonbury, CT 06033 860.633.3333 sg49@signalgraphics.com From paula at curryprint.com Thu May 1 09:07:49 2008 From: paula at curryprint.com (Paula Smith) Date: Thu May 1 09:09:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] New sales rep....needs product knowledge In-Reply-To: References: <20080429202910.82BA6F0217C@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <024801c8ab8c$5c859a90$9701a8c0@curry.local> Hi, Carisa: How about letting your new rep actually work in all of the various departments for a day or two? We've tried that and it works out well on many different levels, including creating an empathy in the rep for his new associates. JMO Paula Smith Curry Printing & Copy Center 314 North Charles Street Baltimore, Maryland 21201 410.685.2679 410.685.1018 fax www.curryprint.com paula@curryprint.com "IMPOSSIBLE DEADLINES MET" > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Carisa Holmes-Peters > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:03 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] New sales rep....needs product knowledge > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The saying was always if you can sell....you can sell anything. I was > reading an article in a trade magazine yesterday that was saying how > that is not necessarily true today. Nowadays you have to know your > stuff and be able to offer more than just great quality. You need to > be able to ask all the probing questions and find solutions and make > suggestions to stand out from the rest. > > So my question is.....we recently hired a sales rep....new to the > printing industry....he has attended sales training and is ready to > go, however I still feel like we are lacking in the ability to > provide him with a good foundation of product knowledge training in a > quick manner. Have any of you been in a situation similar and how > did you go about getting them up to speed. > > Thanks so much! > Carisa > > > Carisa > Carisa Holmes-Peters > HOLMES Printing > 401 E. Columbia Street . Springfield, OH 45503 > Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 . Fax (937) 322-1601 > carisa@holmesprinting.com . http://www.holmesprinting.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From david at commercialpressink.com Thu May 1 09:17:59 2008 From: david at commercialpressink.com (David Charleson) Date: Thu May 1 09:13:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Silver Recovery? Message-ID: <4819C307.7090108@commercialpressink.com> Hello, For those of us who still process film and poly digi plates, are any of you using some sort of silver recovery? Is it worth the expense of the equipment or is it more economical to pay someone to dispose of the waste with a waste disposal company? Which is what we are doing at this time. Any thoughts would be helpful. Someday i'm sure we will have to convert to a chemical free plate system, especially here in NY state. Thanks David Charleson Commercial Press Inc. 216 Cowan Rd Canton NY 13617 P 315.386.3431 david@commercialpressink.com www.commercialpressink.com From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Thu May 1 09:37:30 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Thu May 1 09:38:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Manual for Challenge Cutter In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620804301908k37fc07c9wf218377e36b6cf04@mail.gmail.com> References: <2877567D-89A5-4B29-B2CB-54A40A0A7CDD@interiorgraphics.com> <83d5b9620804301908k37fc07c9wf218377e36b6cf04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Size isn't everything! Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Daghir Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:08 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Manual for Challenge Cutter ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** A 65 inch cutter? That's a big ass cutter you've got there (big ass is a technical term for really large). I don't have a manual for it, but Challenge was happy to send me the manual for my Challenge 305 MPC when I called and requested one. www.challengemachinery.com (231) 799-8484 A 65 inch cutter. Dang it, now I'm going to have cutter envy for the rest of the day. ;-) -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Michelle said: > I have an old Challenge Cutter, Style F, Size 2 65 inch. Does anyone have a > manual for it? We just need to get the info on servicing and adjusting it. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From rstor at copycats.com Thu May 1 09:40:49 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Thu May 1 09:42:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer confidentiality agreement In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620804301908k37fc07c9wf218377e36b6cf04@mail.gmail.com> References: <2877567D-89A5-4B29-B2CB-54A40A0A7CDD@interiorgraphics.com> <83d5b9620804301908k37fc07c9wf218377e36b6cf04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4819C861.4030709@copycats.com> We have been providing mail services for many years, but I just had a request that has never come up before. A prospect wants us to provide a signed confidentiality agreement which says that we will not disclose their mailing list to anyone. Does anyone have such an agreement handy? Please email it to me, if you are willing to share. Thanks, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu May 1 09:49:20 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu May 1 09:49:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM 46-2 Water Pan Roller - Issues - Resolved In-Reply-To: <20080430214622.F2DC4F055CF@rb.enter.net> References: <20080430214622.F2DC4F055CF@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <78CCC601-8BF8-41AB-8AA1-21FB946D88FC@sheergraphics.com> We purchase distilled water in bulk, 'non-potable' containers from Culligan, but any grocery store sells distilled water for use in domestic steam irons or for topping up lead acid car batteries. Deionized water has been purified of all ions except water ions. We use distilled water, which contains no minerals such as calcium, and is quite adequate for fountain solution. > We use reverse osmosis filtered water here but where do you get > deionized water? Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Thu May 1 11:05:41 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Thu May 1 11:05:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer confidentiality agreement In-Reply-To: <4819C861.4030709@copycats.com> References: <2877567D-89A5-4B29-B2CB-54A40A0A7CDD@interiorgraphics.com> <83d5b9620804301908k37fc07c9wf218377e36b6cf04@mail.gmail.com> <4819C861.4030709@copycats.com> Message-ID: <45E98510-E25E-48EE-9DB9-BC4D9432B6BE@inkonpaper.biz> In My opinion and experience, the entity requesting the confidentiality agreement prepares the paperwork. On May 1, 2008, at 9:40 AM, Robert Stor wrote: > Does anyone have such an agreement handy? Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Thu May 1 11:13:43 2008 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Thu May 1 11:12:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer confidentiality agreement References: <2877567D-89A5-4B29-B2CB-54A40A0A7CDD@interiorgraphics.com><83d5b9620804301908k37fc07c9wf218377e36b6cf04@mail.gmail.com> <4819C861.4030709@copycats.com> Message-ID: <000e01c8ab9d$f2ca2b90$042967d3@kp4> No copy to give you, however used to sign these periodically when one of the customers (pharmaceutical co.) was going to launch a new product. It was pretty routine. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Stor" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer confidentiality agreement > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have been providing mail services for many years, but I just had a > request that has never come up before. > > A prospect wants us to provide a signed confidentiality agreement which > says that we will not disclose their mailing list to anyone. > > Does anyone have such an agreement handy? > > Please email it to me, if you are willing to share. > > Thanks, > Bob Stor > Copycats > New York, NY > 212-557-2111 x20 > www.copycats.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From barryt99 at gmail.com Thu May 1 11:15:57 2008 From: barryt99 at gmail.com (Barry Takayesu) Date: Thu May 1 11:16:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM 46-2 Water Pan Roller - Issues - Resolved In-Reply-To: <78CCC601-8BF8-41AB-8AA1-21FB946D88FC@sheergraphics.com> References: <20080430214622.F2DC4F055CF@rb.enter.net> <78CCC601-8BF8-41AB-8AA1-21FB946D88FC@sheergraphics.com> Message-ID: On 5/1/08, Simon Sheers wrote: > Deionized water has been purified of all ions except water ions. We use > distilled water, which contains no minerals such as calcium, and is quite > adequate for fountain solution. > > > We use reverse osmosis filtered water here but where do you get deionized > water? There's a good writeup by GATF on the subject. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa5476/is_200706/ai_n21292513 Also when I googled distilled and deionized along with RO, it cautions using the first two since it is an extremely agressive solvent where metals, including stainless steel and even glass exposed to it will be attacked. http://www.finishing.com/115/09.shtml ------------------------------------------------ Barry Takayesu Prestige Print & Graphics 10592 Wellington Rd St.Thomas, ON N5P 3T1 519 631-8800 barry@prestigeprint.ca From clc at crownmax.com Thu May 1 10:53:43 2008 From: clc at crownmax.com (Charlie Counts) Date: Thu May 1 11:18:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer confidentiality agreement In-Reply-To: <4819C861.4030709@copycats.com> References: <2877567D-89A5-4B29-B2CB-54A40A0A7CDD@interiorgraphics.com><83d5b9620804301908k37fc07c9wf218377e36b6cf04@mail.gmail.com> <4819C861.4030709@copycats.com> Message-ID: <002a01c8ab9b$2b14e790$7201a8c0@Crown.local> I am sending you one to client@copycats.com you can strip out what you don't need. Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road P. O. Box 234 Dunbar, WV 25064 1-800-252-4011 Fax 304-744-8652 www.crownmax.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robert Stor Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:41 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer confidentiality agreement ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have been providing mail services for many years, but I just had a request that has never come up before. A prospect wants us to provide a signed confidentiality agreement which says that we will not disclose their mailing list to anyone. Does anyone have such an agreement handy? Please email it to me, if you are willing to share. Thanks, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu May 1 11:24:39 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu May 1 11:24:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer confidentiality agreement Message-ID: In a message dated 5/1/2008 9:42:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rstor@copycats.com writes: A prospect wants us to provide a signed confidentiality agreement which says that we will not disclose their mailing list to anyone. Does anyone have such an agreement handy? Bob, interestingly enough, in 25 years of consulting I have only had to sign three such agreements, and in all three cases they were provided by the client. All were very large companies and/or franchises. If they are really concerned about confidentiality they ought to provide it since it is in their own best interests. If you provide one (even though it is unlikely to ever come up as an issue) it needs to favor you and give you lots of wiggle room and anticipate every possibility... theft, break-ins, computer piracy, etc., non-payment by client for services rendered... In my case, I felt obligated to have an attorney go over the confidentiality agreements to protect me and allow me to use my general knowledge of the industry and that I get from osmosis or whatever as opposed to specifics I might have gleaned after entering a consulting assignment. As always, practical sense, common sense and business integrity ought to be the key ingredients. My reaction to a client would be that, "I would be happy to sign such an agreement, but in order to protect your legitimate interests it really is your obligation to prepare and submit it to me in writing what you are expecting of me and my company. It is not a commonly used or available agreement in the mailing industry." John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From list at interiorgraphics.com Thu May 1 11:55:20 2008 From: list at interiorgraphics.com (Michelle at Interior Graphics) Date: Thu May 1 11:55:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Manual for Challenge Cutter In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620804301908k37fc07c9wf218377e36b6cf04@mail.gmail.com> References: <2877567D-89A5-4B29-B2CB-54A40A0A7CDD@interiorgraphics.com> <83d5b9620804301908k37fc07c9wf218377e36b6cf04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Well - I wouldn't get too much cutter envy.... I checked it out and it must be man inches, because there's no way it's 65 inches wide. It's really old, so maybe it's 265 square inches? There is a space between the 2 and the 65, but it looks like it was hand stamped on the plate. The serial number only has four digits, if that's an indication of the year it was made. :-) I'll give Challenge a call and see if we can get a manual for it. Thank you! Michelle On Apr 30, 2008, at 6:08 PM, Jeff Daghir wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > A 65 inch cutter? That's a big ass cutter you've got there (big ass is > a technical term for really large). I don't have a manual for it, but > Challenge was happy to send me the manual for my Challenge 305 MPC > when I called and requested one. > > www.challengemachinery.com > (231) 799-8484 > > A 65 inch cutter. Dang it, now I'm going to have cutter envy for the > rest of the day. ;-) > > -- > Jeff Daghir > MPS Printing, Inc. > "The Ink & Paper People" > Madison, IN > www.mpsprinting.com > jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com > > > Michelle said: >> I have an old Challenge Cutter, Style F, Size 2 65 inch. Does >> anyone have a >> manual for it? We just need to get the info on servicing and >> adjusting it. > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From sos at olympus.net Thu May 1 12:18:52 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu May 1 12:19:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Manual for Challenge Cutter References: <2877567D-89A5-4B29-B2CB-54A40A0A7CDD@interiorgraphics.com><83d5b9620804301908k37fc07c9wf218377e36b6cf04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008301c8aba7$0bba0e50$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > It's really old, so maybe it's 265 square inches? There is a space > between the 2 and the 65, but it looks like it was hand stamped on ====================== Oh for goodness sakes, a Challenge 265 is 26 and a half inches wide. A Challenge 305 is 30 and a half inches wide. Those are the two most common cutters in America. A Polar 66 is 66 millimeters wide or about 26 inches wide. A Polar 78 is . . .guess. . . 78 millimeters wide or about 30.5 inches. And when you push the two buttons the clamp and blade go whooomph. And that's about all I know. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Thu May 1 12:28:12 2008 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Thu May 1 12:27:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Manual for Challenge Cutter In-Reply-To: <008301c8aba7$0bba0e50$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <002901c8aba8$595aafb0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> I believe those are supposed to be centimeters . . . a 66 millimeter cutter would be pretty small. . . Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com A Polar 66 is 66 millimeters wide or about 26 inches wide. A Polar 78 is . . .guess. . . 78 millimeters wide or about 30.5 inches. From brian at designotype.com Thu May 1 12:49:16 2008 From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen) Date: Thu May 1 12:48:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source for Large Qty Full Color envelopes References: <2877567D-89A5-4B29-B2CB-54A40A0A7CDD@interiorgraphics.com><83d5b9620804301908k37fc07c9wf218377e36b6cf04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <175901c8abab$4bbe7730$6a01a8c0@brianspc> I need a source for: 18,000 to 36,000 9 x 12 catalog envelopes 4/4 with bleeds both sides I'm sure this would be printed, then converted to envelopes. Any ideas on this one? Brentwood (on this PO list) was mentioned, but I can't find anything on them. Brian Helminen Designotype Printers, Inc. 22950 Airpark Blvd. Calumet, MI 49913 906-482-2424 Fax 906-482-2266 www.designotype.com From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu May 1 12:50:40 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu May 1 12:51:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM 46-2 Water Pan Roller - Issues - Resolved In-Reply-To: <20080501161911.24297F07297@rb.enter.net> References: <20080501161911.24297F07297@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Too much information!!!! Another out of context sentence from the referenced article: '....Distilled water is probably sufficient for your application and is much less expensive than deionised water.....' Since when is distilled water 'an extremely agressive solvent'? Oh! Has anybody on this list suffered corroding presses after using distilled water? :- > Also when I googled distilled and deionized along with RO, it cautions > using the first two since it is an extremely agressive solvent where > metals, including stainless steel and even glass exposed to it will be > attacked. > http://www.finishing.com/115/09.shtml Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu May 1 12:56:43 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu May 1 12:57:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer confidentiality agreement In-Reply-To: <20080501161911.24297F07297@rb.enter.net> References: <20080501161911.24297F07297@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <26ABCE2D-42C3-48CC-B61A-05750222623E@sheergraphics.com> We happily signed one prepared by the local, in-state Illinois customer. I did not feel it my position to point out that the boilerplate agreement required disputing parties to abide by the laws of Arizona! > We have been providing mail services for many years, but I just had > a request that has never come up before. > > A prospect wants us to provide a signed confidentiality agreement > which says that we will not disclose their mailing list to anyone. > > Does anyone have such an agreement handy? Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From prtquick at eos.net Thu May 1 13:11:02 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Thu May 1 13:07:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source for Large Qty Full Color envelopes In-Reply-To: <175901c8abab$4bbe7730$6a01a8c0@brianspc> References: <2877567D-89A5-4B29-B2CB-54A40A0A7CDD@interiorgraphics.com><83d5b9620804301908k37fc07c9wf218377e36b6cf04@mail.gmail.com> <175901c8abab$4bbe7730$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Message-ID: > Brentwood (on this PO list) was mentioned, but I can't find > anything on them. Sorry, Brian - we don't do 4-color envelopes. We do 2-color on our Jet Press, and we can do perfecting on most jobs. Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing On May 1, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Brian Helminen wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I need a source for: > 18,000 to 36,000 > 9 x 12 catalog envelopes > 4/4 with bleeds both sides > I'm sure this would be printed, then converted to envelopes. > Any ideas on this one? > Brentwood (on this PO list) was mentioned, but I can't find > anything on them. > > Brian Helminen > Designotype Printers, Inc. > 22950 Airpark Blvd. > Calumet, MI 49913 > 906-482-2424 > Fax 906-482-2266 > www.designotype.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From sos at olympus.net Thu May 1 13:08:49 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu May 1 13:09:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Manual for Challenge Cutter References: <002901c8aba8$595aafb0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Message-ID: <009401c8abae$0662b310$6900a8c0@DANIEL> I believe those are supposed to be centimeters . . . a 66 millimeter cutter would be pretty small. . . ===================== Ah well, at least I knew they weren't Meters. Or Kilometers. My little model press is about 50 millimeters, that's what confused me. Yeah right. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From hal at pickimp.com Thu May 1 13:40:31 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Thu May 1 13:39:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM 46-2 Water Pan Roller - Issues - Resolved References: <20080501161911.24297F07297@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <003001c8abb2$c6fa9b20$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> :- > That was in applications where water is re-circulated endlessly as in closed heating/cooling systems.. Hal From jodib at blackfoot.net Thu May 1 13:51:16 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Thu May 1 13:51:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source for Large Qty Full Color envelopes References: <2877567D-89A5-4B29-B2CB-54A40A0A7CDD@interiorgraphics.com><83d5b9620804301908k37fc07c9wf218377e36b6cf04@mail.gmail.com> <175901c8abab$4bbe7730$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Message-ID: <00bd01c8abb3$f4915500$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Brian: You might contact Wholesale Envelope Inc (wholesalenevelope.com ask for Dale) 806-762-2255 or Mead-Westvaco - I have a card for Frank McCabe in CO 303-375-7501 but they do have plants all over. Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Helminen" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 10:49 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Source for Large Qty Full Color envelopes > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I need a source for: > 18,000 to 36,000 > 9 x 12 catalog envelopes > 4/4 with bleeds both sides > I'm sure this would be printed, then converted to envelopes. > Any ideas on this one? > Brentwood (on this PO list) was mentioned, but I can't find anything on > them. > > Brian Helminen > Designotype Printers, Inc. > 22950 Airpark Blvd. > Calumet, MI 49913 > 906-482-2424 > Fax 906-482-2266 > www.designotype.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From inkyhand at gmail.com Thu May 1 13:55:16 2008 From: inkyhand at gmail.com (Ron Livingston) Date: Thu May 1 13:55:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source for Large Qty Full Color envelopes In-Reply-To: <175901c8abab$4bbe7730$6a01a8c0@brianspc> References: <2877567D-89A5-4B29-B2CB-54A40A0A7CDD@interiorgraphics.com> <83d5b9620804301908k37fc07c9wf218377e36b6cf04@mail.gmail.com> <175901c8abab$4bbe7730$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Message-ID: <5c2107b30805011055nde135d1oa9a5398083133935@mail.gmail.com> I'm pretty sure Envelopes Limited here in Dallas can do them on their 4 color Halm Jet press. www.envelopeslimited.com Ron On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Brian Helminen wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I need a source for: > 18,000 to 36,000 > 9 x 12 catalog envelopes > 4/4 with bleeds both sides > I'm sure this would be printed, then converted to envelopes. > Any ideas on this one? > Brentwood (on this PO list) was mentioned, but I can't find anything on > them. > > Brian Helminen > Designotype Printers, Inc. > 22950 Airpark Blvd. > Calumet, MI 49913 > 906-482-2424 > Fax 906-482-2266 > www.designotype.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Ron Livingston Cornerstone Press 1228 Scyene, Suite 117 Mesquite, TX 75149 (972) 285-4670 From robin at protypeonline.com Thu May 1 14:13:52 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Thu May 1 14:14:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Film Scrap Metal Recyclers - NEEDED Message-ID: <3075FF34-8F0B-4BB4-91FE-680AACC68536@protypeonline.com> I have inherited lots and lots and LOTS of photography film, metal plates and heavy metal (very old) cabinets -- I know in the old days "guys" would just drive around and stop at print shops and ask if we had any used film or metal plates -- are their any of those type of "guys" still operating in the Illinois area? I have contacted several different recyclers and they don't have any interest. One guy told me he would take the film and plates but it could be one month to one year before he could come get the stuff. WHAT?!!! :) robin Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 Wright Printing Company 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From brian at designotype.com Thu May 1 14:37:02 2008 From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen) Date: Thu May 1 14:36:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source needed References: <200801290917812.SM05176@Engelhart> Message-ID: <17cc01c8abba$5db83840$6a01a8c0@brianspc> I think Thompson - Shore would do these, but they specialize in short to medium runs up to 50,000 http://www.tshore.com/ Brian Helminen, Designotype Printers, Inc. 22950 Airpark Blvd. Calumet, MI 49913 906-482-2424 Fax 906-482-2266 www.designotype.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Engelhart" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 11:17 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Source needed > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > I have a customer who is looking for the following > This is way to big for us to do economically > > 100,000 / 200,000 booklets > 5.5x8.5 finished > 24 inside pages, all text, no bleeds > Cover is 4/0 with bleeds > Saddle stitched > Wants to be "cheap" so he is willing to use standard house stocks From greg at ajprinting.com Thu May 1 15:12:17 2008 From: greg at ajprinting.com (Greg Johnston) Date: Thu May 1 15:12:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] web printed source needed. Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080501121121.03752418@ajprinting.com> I'm looking for a referral to a good web printer in California (LA or Sac) hopefully. Thanks much Greg Johnston AJ Printing & Graphics 1350 Central Ave #1 Santa Rosa CA 95401 707.525.8600 Fax 707.525.8923 www.ajprinting.com e-mail: greg@ajprinting.com Ask me about how I can help you build your business with our direct mailing services for your marketing needs Authorized Adobe Service Provider Quark Authorized Output Provider From scottv at regalpress.net Thu May 1 15:57:16 2008 From: scottv at regalpress.net (Scott) Date: Thu May 1 15:57:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] pricing on KM 6500 and/or CPP 650 Message-ID: <01be01c8abc5$937c4100$0c10a8c0@ellsworthacer> Hello, I'm looking at a possible upgrade from my 8050 to either the 550 or 650 from IKON, and have a few questions that you folks might be able to help with. 1. Are the KM and IKON models the same box with different labels. If not, what are the differences. 2. I currently have an upgraded RIP, Creo 500, I believe, which I own. Will this work with a new machine? 3. What kind of pricing for the box and service have you gotten? I know that my friendly IKON sales rep could give me answers, but I figure I'll get the unvarnished truth from fellow owners. TIA, Sincerely, Scott Vicnaire President Regal Printing & Graphics www.regalpress.net 140 South Main Street Brewer, Maine 04412 207-989-4100 265 Water Street Ellsworth, Maine 04605 207-667-5227 From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Thu May 1 16:32:35 2008 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Thu May 1 16:32:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] pricing on KM 6500 and/or CPP 650 In-Reply-To: <01be01c8abc5$937c4100$0c10a8c0@ellsworthacer> Message-ID: <007f01c8abca$7d97c120$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Scott, When we were ready to upgrade our Doc 12 last year we were going to go with the KM C500. We did not have a KM dealer in Des Moines at the time we started our shopping, so we started talking to Konica dealers. None of them would meet NAQP pricing on hardware and service. Shortly after we started shopping, KM opened a branch in DM. The KM rep indicated that the 500 was getting to the end of its life cycle and the next version was the 6500. The 6500 had very good prices on the hardware and service, so we were going to just buy the 6500 from new KM branch. Long story short, KM's branch was brand new and did not have their service department established in Des Moines. Knowing that you really don't have a printer, if you don't have service, we started talking to Ikon. They had several 500's placed with printers in our area. We called most of them and all had good things to say about service in the Des Moines area from Ikon. Ikon met NAQP pricing on hardware and service on their 650 product. We ended up buying a 650 from Ikon with the Creo rip. The Ikon Creo rip, at that time, was a little bit different than the KM rip. I don't remember all the differences, but in our application, it did not affect us. To get the straight scoop, someone from Ikon should be able to put you in contact with the Creo people, and Creo should be able to tell you the exact differences between the KM version of the Creo rip and the Ikon version. HTH's Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 2:57 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] pricing on KM 6500 and/or CPP 650 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hello, I'm looking at a possible upgrade from my 8050 to either the 550 or 650 from IKON, and have a few questions that you folks might be able to help with. 1. Are the KM and IKON models the same box with different labels. If not, what are the differences. 2. I currently have an upgraded RIP, Creo 500, I believe, which I own. Will this work with a new machine? 3. What kind of pricing for the box and service have you gotten? I know that my friendly IKON sales rep could give me answers, but I figure I'll get the unvarnished truth from fellow owners. TIA, Sincerely, Scott Vicnaire President Regal Printing & Graphics www.regalpress.net 140 South Main Street Brewer, Maine 04412 207-989-4100 265 Water Street Ellsworth, Maine 04605 207-667-5227 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From brianoday at eprint.us Thu May 1 17:11:30 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Thu May 1 17:14:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Just got an order for 97, 500 shipped to south Africa (scam) Message-ID: <002f01c8abcf$edba2b00$800101df@eprint.local> Just thought I would pass along an order that was given to me by my CSR. It all started as a RELAY call to our shop. I know this is a scam thanks to the list. Any suggestions on how to proceed. I did Google youngstarshippers and they don't exist, go figure. Brian O'Day ePRINT 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland Oregon 97223 (503)684-267 Brianoday@eprint.us www.eprint.us _____ From: Raff Gibson [mailto:raff_gibson2001@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:57 AM To: Angela Huston Subject: Pickup and delivery details.... Hello Angie Thanks so much for your email response.I would have loved to come in myself to arrange for the pickup but due to urgent prayer conferences that i would be having with other Bishops and reverends as to make more campaign for the Orphanage Home i wouldnt be able to do so,I would therefore recommend you to Young Star Shippers who would be coming to your location to pick these flyers up and shipped to my new Orphanage Home thats located in Johannesburg,South Africa.Kindly send them an email through youngstarshippers@gmail.com with the following details and then request for a shipping cost so i can make the subtotal of the flyers and shipping charges together. 1.Total quntity with size and weight of flyers 2.Pickup location(Your Shop) 3.Delivery location which is Gibsons Orphanage Home, Cnr Oxford Road and Tyrwhitt Avenue Rosebank, Johannesburg . I am recommending you to Young Star Shippers because they have handled my shipments before and i am okay with their services.Thanks and i will wait for your prompt response Sincerely Rev.Raff Gibson Angela Huston wrote: Good Morning Mr. Gibson, They estimate for your flyer is attached. I hope I understood your request correctly. The estimate is based on one color blue ink on a yellow stock finished size 8.5 x 11. Please let me know if I misunderstood your request and I will revise it for you. For payment methods we accept Mastercard, Visa & American Express. Please let me know if you have any questions or need me to revise this estimate. Thank you, Angie Huston _____ From: Raff Gibson [mailto:raff_gibson2001@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:22 AM To: ahuston@eprint.us Subject: Quote needed Attention Angie Thanks for your patience with me on the phone.My name is Rev.Raff Gibson and general owner of Gibsons Orphanage home(under construction)and i will kindly like you to advice me on the total pickup price plus gst of 97,500 quantity flyers with size 8.5"x11" in full copies of blue ink on yellow paper with lettering saying "SAVE OUR SOULS".Dont hestitate to advice me on the payment methods that you accept.. Sincerely Rev.Gibson _____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From char at themasterspress.com Thu May 1 17:37:38 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Thu May 1 17:37:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] pricing on KM 6500 and/or CPP 650 In-Reply-To: <01be01c8abc5$937c4100$0c10a8c0@ellsworthacer> References: <01be01c8abc5$937c4100$0c10a8c0@ellsworthacer> Message-ID: <011d01c8abd3$93e22660$0b01a8c0@CharXP> I have understood there is some differences in the rip, that one of the main differences is that they won't work on each others machines if you are unhappy with either. My understanding is that they are both made by Konica as far as the boxes. Service is the key. The NAQP pricing if you are a member (if not you can join for $495) is set but there are a lot of things that will make a bottom line difference. Like the rip, finishing, de-humidifier, etc etc. So for exact pricing it would be much more accurate to get a price from KM. You can call Chuck Slaughter and get a price from them or he will put you in touch with someone direct that can give you an exact price. His phone number is 214-697-3455. That way Ikon can also give you a price that would match exact configurations. I can tell you the click price on the NAQP contract is .049. The one thing that I like about the KM is that you have a lot of people that have purchased through NAQP and gives you some back up if you have any problems in the future. With Ikon you are probably on your own with that particular dealership. I don't believe even an updated rip that you have would drive the new machine. The whole print engine in the 650/6500 is different and would require a rip configured to the specifics of that engine and machine. Hope this helps you out some. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 2:57 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] pricing on KM 6500 and/or CPP 650 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hello, I'm looking at a possible upgrade from my 8050 to either the 550 or 650 from IKON, and have a few questions that you folks might be able to help with. 1. Are the KM and IKON models the same box with different labels. If not, what are the differences. 2. I currently have an upgraded RIP, Creo 500, I believe, which I own. Will this work with a new machine? 3. What kind of pricing for the box and service have you gotten? I know that my friendly IKON sales rep could give me answers, but I figure I'll get the unvarnished truth from fellow owners. TIA, Sincerely, Scott Vicnaire President Regal Printing & Graphics www.regalpress.net 140 South Main Street Brewer, Maine 04412 207-989-4100 265 Water Street Ellsworth, Maine 04605 207-667-5227 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3050 (20080423) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3050 (20080423) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From eupinc at aol.com Thu May 1 18:38:24 2008 From: eupinc at aol.com (eupinc@aol.com) Date: Thu May 1 18:38:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fwd: Polar 55 Programable Cutter for Sale In-Reply-To: <8CA78E8D73CA85F-1520-2E22@webmail-db08.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA78E8D73CA85F-1520-2E22@webmail-db08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CA79F33386A76E-A98-1789@mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com> EUP - Porath Print Source 19236 DETROIT ROAD ROCKY RIVER, OHIO 44116 PHONE: 440.333.6484 FAX: 440.333.1182 www.porathprintsource.com -----Original Message----- From: eupinc@aol.com To: PrintOwners@printweb.org Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:51 am Subject: Polar 55 Programable Cutter for Sale 1986 Polar programmable Cutter for Sale. Serial # 5551841. 1 Owner / bought new. Service/maintence records available. Impeccably maintained. Pickup only in Rocky River, Ohio 44116. Also comes with 3 extra cutting blades. Sell price $6,250.00. Similar cutters online for $7,500.00. Call Dave 440.823.8361 EUP - Porath Print Source 19236 DETROIT ROAD ROCKY RIVER, OHIO 44116 PHONE: 440.333.6484 FAX: 440.333.1182 www.porathprintsource.com Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site. From bill at werkheiser.com Fri May 2 22:35:23 2008 From: bill at werkheiser.com (Bill Werkheiser) Date: Thu May 1 22:34:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] pricing on KM 6500 and/or CPP 650 In-Reply-To: <007f01c8abca$7d97c120$f901a8c0@MitchDell> References: <007f01c8abca$7d97c120$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Message-ID: <481BCF6B.2030609@werkheiser.com> Similar story with a stranger twist. When we started shopping for our KM C500, there was only one dealer and it was an hour away so we had little negotiation power. We told them what the national pricing was for the machine and the service clicks and they said, "no way." Thanks to Charlene Sims, we called the KM rep for NAQP who said they would do the deal direct. We paid the national price for the machine (saved 8 grand) and are paying the NAQP rate. Guess who's servicing the machine? They moaned and groaned so much, I believe KM national is paying them the difference. I turn my clicks into the national KM, but the local (if you want to call it that, they are an hour away) still services the machine. That was three years ago. Bill Werkheiser http://WeLoveToPrint.com SE PrinTech / Coastal Mailing Services P O Box 27 - 315 E Banks St. Glennville, GA 30427 (912) 654-3610 phone (912) 654-3611 fax Mitch Eaton wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Scott, > > When we were ready to upgrade our Doc 12 last year we were going to go with > the KM C500. We did not have a KM dealer in Des Moines at the time we > started our shopping, so we started talking to Konica dealers. None of them > would meet NAQP pricing on hardware and service. > From jdaghir at gmail.com Fri May 2 01:05:34 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Fri May 2 01:06:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] pricing on KM 6500 and/or CPP 650 In-Reply-To: <01be01c8abc5$937c4100$0c10a8c0@ellsworthacer> References: <01be01c8abc5$937c4100$0c10a8c0@ellsworthacer> Message-ID: <83d5b9620805012205uc9410f6pf0c42960c3da845d@mail.gmail.com> > 1. Are the KM and IKON models the same box with different labels. If not, what are the differences. My understanding is that they are essentially the same with the exception of minor differences in the configuration of the firmware of the machines. I think the toner cartridges are slightly different - same toner but different connector on it so that a KM cartridge won't work in a Ikon and vice-versa. For the C500 there were some small difference between Ikon's Creo rip and KM's Creo rip. > 2. I currently have an upgraded RIP, Creo 500, I believe, which I own. Will this work with a new machine? Nope. Copier rips are specific to the machine they were made for. Buy a new copier and you'll have to buy a new rip to go with it. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com From printian at gmail.com Fri May 2 01:22:23 2008 From: printian at gmail.com (Ian Franks) Date: Fri May 2 01:22:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Just got an order for 97, 500 shipped to south Africa (scam) In-Reply-To: <002f01c8abcf$edba2b00$800101df@eprint.local> References: <002f01c8abcf$edba2b00$800101df@eprint.local> Message-ID: Brian, That address is very close to my shop I will go have a look later. It is an address of a Hotel and right next to the building site for the Rosebank Station for the Gautrain (our own underground). 2008/5/1 Brian O'Day : > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Young Star Shippers who would be coming to your location to > pick these flyers up and shipped to my new Orphanage Home thats located > in > Johannesburg,South Africa.Kindly send them an email through > youngstarshippers@gmail.com with the following details and then request > for > a shipping cost so i can make the subtotal of the flyers and shipping > charges together. > 1.Total quntity with size and weight of flyers > 2.Pickup location(Your Shop) > 3.Delivery location which is > Gibsons Orphanage Home, Cnr Oxford Road and > Tyrwhitt Avenue Rosebank, Johannesburg . > I am recommending you to Young Star Shippers because they have handled > my > shipments before and i am okay with their services.Thanks and i will wait > for your prompt response > > -- Regards Ian Franks Print Image 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo Johannesburg, South Africa Ph 011 447 3133 Fax 011 447 0642 sales@printimage.co.za www.printimage.co.za From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Fri May 2 07:00:02 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Fri May 2 07:00:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] pricing on KM 6500 and/or CPP 650 In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620805012205uc9410f6pf0c42960c3da845d@mail.gmail.com> References: <01be01c8abc5$937c4100$0c10a8c0@ellsworthacer> <83d5b9620805012205uc9410f6pf0c42960c3da845d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7A461D6A-E357-4B26-9D84-5558ACF62125@bellsouth.net> This is pretty much what I found when I purchased our CP500. One important item though, is that I was told that nobody but Ikon would service the CP machines, where you may have your choice of several Konica Minolta dealers with for KM service. In our case, I was very happy with our existing Ikon service, so I was confident in their ability to service our CP500... Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On May 2, 2008, at 1:05 AM, Jeff Daghir wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> 1. Are the KM and IKON models the same box with different labels. >> If not, what are the differences. > > My understanding is that they are essentially the same with the > exception of minor differences in the configuration of the firmware of > the machines. I think the toner cartridges are slightly different - > same toner but different connector on it so that a KM cartridge won't > work in a Ikon and vice-versa. For the C500 there were some small > difference between Ikon's Creo rip and KM's Creo rip. > > > >> 2. I currently have an upgraded RIP, Creo 500, I believe, which I >> own. Will this work with a new machine? > > Nope. Copier rips are specific to the machine they were made for. Buy > a new copier and you'll have to buy a new rip to go with it. > > > > > > -- > Jeff Daghir > MPS Printing, Inc. > "The Ink & Paper People" > Madison, IN > www.mpsprinting.com > jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From jeff at hprinting.biz Fri May 2 08:02:13 2008 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Fri May 2 08:02:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer confidentiality agreement In-Reply-To: <4819C861.4030709@copycats.com> References: <2877567D-89A5-4B29-B2CB-54A40A0A7CDD@interiorgraphics.com> <83d5b9620804301908k37fc07c9wf218377e36b6cf04@mail.gmail.com> <4819C861.4030709@copycats.com> Message-ID: <20080502120203.17650.29381@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 09:40 AM 5/1/2008, you wrote: >We have been providing mail services for many >years, but I just had a request that has never come up before. > >A prospect wants us to provide a signed >confidentiality agreement which says that we >will not disclose their mailing list to anyone. > >Does anyone have such an agreement handy? > >Please email it to me, if you are willing to share. I've offered to sign them for clients in the past, but no one every went far enough to actually present one. I wouldn't hesitate to sign on. If you do, I can't imagine why a customer would trust you with their mailing list. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From printian at gmail.com Fri May 2 08:29:39 2008 From: printian at gmail.com (Ian Franks) Date: Fri May 2 08:29:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Just got an order for 97, 500 shipped to south Africa (scam) In-Reply-To: References: <002f01c8abcf$edba2b00$800101df@eprint.local> Message-ID: Brian I went there and there is a Hotel one corner and a school on the other corner. -- Regards Ian Franks Print Image 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo Johannesburg, South Africa Ph 011 447 3133 Fax 011 447 0642 sales@printimage.co.za www.printimage.co.za From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Fri May 2 09:53:35 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Fri May 2 09:53:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RipIt - Xante MasterCare Service Agreement Message-ID: <64B954C2-D12D-45EE-AE8D-BF344F60CE5B@inkonpaper.biz> Those who have this service agreement on the hardware: Does your contract cover the Vastech processor? Or only the Imagesetter? Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz From copythatnyc at aol.com Fri May 2 09:59:12 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Fri May 2 09:59:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Manual for Challenge Cutter In-Reply-To: <008301c8aba7$0bba0e50$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <2877567D-89A5-4B29-B2CB-54A40A0A7CDD@interiorgraphics.com><83d5b9620804301908k37fc07c9wf218377e36b6cf04@mail.gmail.com> <008301c8aba7$0bba0e50$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <8CA7A73D573F1F4-B6C-58CE@webmail-dd21.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for that Dan!? Day started out bad but that one helped! Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Dan Huntingford To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:18 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Manual for Challenge Cutter ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? > It's really old, so maybe it's 265 square inches? There is a space? > between the 2 and the 65, but it looks like it was hand stamped on? ======================? ? Oh for goodness sakes, a Challenge 265 is 26 and a half inches wide. A Challenge 305 is 30 and a half inches wide.? Those are the two most common cutters in America.? ? A Polar 66 is 66 millimeters wide or about 26 inches wide. A Polar 78 is . . .guess. . . 78 millimeters wide or about 30.5 inches.? ? And when you push the two buttons the clamp and blade go whooomph.? And that's about all I know.? ? Dan Huntingford? SOS Printing? 2319 Washington Street? Port Townsend, WA 98368? Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF? sos@olympus.net? (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From greg at pressexpress.org Fri May 2 10:23:02 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Fri May 2 10:23:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Just got an order for 97, 500 shipped to south Africa (scam) In-Reply-To: <002f01c8abcf$edba2b00$800101df@eprint.local> References: <002f01c8abcf$edba2b00$800101df@eprint.local> Message-ID: <8A65C1BA-211A-4A63-9D34-2C96DD322C24@pressexpress.org> It is a scam. My brothers shop got scammed. How it works is that they give you a stolen credit card number to process the order. This card number rings thru as good so one feels good to proceed. The flyers were printed. Then when they called for international shipping, instructs that you must pay the shipping company with YOUR good card because the shipper will not take "third party" card numbers, so he gives you another stolen card number to reimburse you. The quantity of printed matter is high to boost shipping costs. The idea is that you pay the thousands of dollars for the international shipping which is wired out of the country, the printing is never picked up and you are out your printing costs. Then later, when the stolen credit card numbers catch up, you are out that too. There was also an interpreter talking because the party from Africa is supposedly deaf. This scam is not just for printing. Banners, car parts, anything! The scam is the same. They take your money on the shipping, not the printing or product. Here is some info that scam my bro sent to me: I am sending out this email to alert everyone on my list to a scam that was attempted on our company. After further investigation and a couple phone calls, my boss discovered what the scam entailed. We had some odd orders for printing large quantities of religious flyers for "orphans". The orders were coming from Accra in Ghana, West Africa. They were for large amounts and would have entailed shipping a heavy pallet of printed material to Ghana, costing several thousand dollars. I tried to keep alert with it, but other than the oddity of the order we saw no flags going up that would have alerted us to any ill intent. The order was processed and paid ahead with credit cards that went through with no issues. To avoid any hassles with shipping internationally, I attempted to get the end client to pay for the shipping directly with the transport company itself. We were told that the shipping company would only accept payment from the location that was doing the shipping and not the third party. The shipping was paid for with a different credit card and we were instructed to send payment via Western Union. Fortunately we had a bad answer on the test that Western Union gives over the phone to verify us as the proper card holders and we were told we would need to go to an office to make the transaction. In the midst of that, a second order similar to the first came in and we all started to get the questionable integrity mode going. When I asked the second guy if they would like to ship with the company that I am currently dealing with on another order, he replied that he would rather deal with a different company. The cards were going through alright so we tried to stay alert to anything that might be suspicious. We couldn't come up with any reason that it could come back to haunt us since we put out no account information to let them in. Still, one order going through and another order coming in as fast and impatient as it did kept the worry flags flying. We began the search for answers. Here's the dealio. They don't give a hoot about the charges on the card. They're stolen card numbers and the money comes in for them because they are waiting for it from Western Union. No one would have shown up to pick up the materials that were destined for the poor orphans. It would have sat here while the "shipping" company would have been sporting our cash through Western Union and the cards would have been flagged as fraudulent. We caught it and we're only out some time and minor materials. I just wanted to pass this along so that you know there's something new going along with the Prince of Nigeria who wants to come to America if only you can send him your account numbers so he can transfer his quadrillion dollars to it. Sometimes they aren't after the account numbers. Just the cash. We turned the numbers that were given to us over to the credit card company and they'll do what they do with it to rectify the situation. If something like this comes up and you can get the card numbers I encourage you to do the same. I also encourage you to forward this to whomever you may think could come into a situation like this. It may not be printing. We were told a cabinet company in Milwaukee had something like this come up, and there were reports of orders for things like snow blower parts and other odd things that would entail BIG SHIPMENTS internationally. Have a nice day, Eric On May 1, 2008, at 4:11 PM, Brian O'Day wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Just thought I would pass along an order that was given to me by my > CSR. It > all started as a RELAY call to our shop. I know this is a scam > thanks to the > list. Any suggestions on how to proceed. I did Google > youngstarshippers and > they don't exist, go figure. > > > > > > Brian O'Day > > ePRINT > > 9970 SW Greenburg Rd > > Portland Oregon 97223 > > (503)684-267 > > > > Brianoday@eprint.us > > > > www.eprint.us > > > > > > _____ > > From: Raff Gibson [mailto:raff_gibson2001@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:57 AM > To: Angela Huston > Subject: Pickup and delivery details.... > > > > > Hello Angie > Thanks so much for your email response.I would have loved to come in > myself to arrange for the pickup but due to urgent prayer > conferences that > i would be having with other Bishops and reverends as to make more > campaign > for the Orphanage Home i wouldnt be able to do so,I would therefore > recommend you to Young Star Shippers who would be coming to your > location to > pick these flyers up and shipped to my new Orphanage Home thats > located in > Johannesburg,South Africa.Kindly send them an email through > youngstarshippers@gmail.com with the following details and then > request for > a shipping cost so i can make the subtotal of the flyers and shipping > charges together. > 1.Total quntity with size and weight of flyers > 2.Pickup location(Your Shop) > 3.Delivery location which is > Gibsons Orphanage Home, Cnr Oxford Road and > Tyrwhitt Avenue Rosebank, Johannesburg . > I am recommending you to Young Star Shippers because they have > handled my > shipments before and i am okay with their services.Thanks and i will > wait > for your prompt response > Sincerely > Rev.Raff Gibson > > Angela Huston wrote: > > Good Morning Mr. Gibson, > > > > They estimate for your flyer is attached. I hope I understood your > request > correctly. The estimate is based on one color blue ink on a yellow > stock > finished size 8.5 x 11. Please let me know if I misunderstood your > request > and I will revise it for you. > > For payment methods we accept Mastercard, Visa & American Express. > > > > Please let me know if you have any questions or need me to revise this > estimate. > > > > Thank you, > > Angie Huston > > > > > > _____ > > From: Raff Gibson [mailto:raff_gibson2001@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:22 AM > To: ahuston@eprint.us > Subject: Quote needed > > > > Attention Angie > Thanks for your patience with me on the phone.My name is Rev.Raff > Gibson > and general owner of Gibsons Orphanage home(under construction)and i > will > kindly like you to advice me on the total pickup price plus gst of > 97,500 > quantity flyers with size 8.5"x11" in full copies of blue ink on > yellow > paper with lettering saying "SAVE OUR SOULS".Dont hestitate to > advice me on > the payment methods that you accept.. > Sincerely > Rev.Gibson > > > > > > _____ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try > DtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20> it now. > > > > > > _____ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try > DtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20> it now. > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From steve at toledoprinter.com Fri May 2 10:36:15 2008 From: steve at toledoprinter.com (West Printing) Date: Fri May 2 10:35:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] Don't take any wooden nickels Message-ID: <000d01c8ac61$e10ba0e0$a322e2a0$@com> A tree hugging compromise. http://www.enbite.com/researchers-develop-erasable-printing-paper/ I can think of a few uses, how about you? Last will and testament Xerox service contract Affirmative Action Plan Loan Covenants... Steve Robison West Printing Co. 327 12th Street, Toledo, OH 43604 Ph. 419.246.0857, steve@toledoprinter.com? **************************************** http://www.ToledoPrinter.Com Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider Search Engine Optimization From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri May 2 10:38:50 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri May 2 10:39:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] Don't take any wooden nickels Message-ID: In a message dated 5/2/2008 10:37:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, steve@toledoprinter.com writes: I can think of a few uses, how about you? Last will and testament Xerox service contract Affirmative Action Plan Loan Covenants... You forgot the most important of all, pre-nuptials! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) From armand at curryonline.com Fri May 2 11:14:20 2008 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Fri May 2 11:14:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Nebs and DFS References: <20080429.225952.18528.3@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> <48185D30.14789.46904E01@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <040b01c8ac67$328b2d50$97a187f0$@com> As a follow up to my last email about NEBS and DFS being separate companies, I was just reconciling my credit card statement. We purchased an item from DFS last month for one of our clients. The charge on the credit card shows up as NEBS/DFS. Yeah, right. Two separate companies. Sure..... Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing Auburn, ME 04210 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 11:51 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Nebs and DFS ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I got a call from a DFS telemarketer a week or two ago, and, in the conversation, I mentioned the NEBS connection. I was told that DFS and NEBS are now separate companies (NEBS sold off DFS, DFS sold off NEBS, or the parent of both sold off one or the other--I don't remember which). Anybody else hear this? If they're truly separate companies now, I can't see them sharing mailing lists, although they clearly did it in the past. Steve > There are SEVERAL on this list that can attest that send an order to > DFS and the customer will see a NEBS catalog within a month or so. (I > know because they misspelled a name on an order) and they had a NEBS > catalog in a month. As friends, they showed it to me. Wished I had > kept it. > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Fri May 2 11:20:22 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Fri May 2 11:20:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] Don't take any wooden nickels In-Reply-To: <000d01c8ac61$e10ba0e0$a322e2a0$@com> References: <000d01c8ac61$e10ba0e0$a322e2a0$@com> Message-ID: >The printer prints by exposing the paper to a UVB light source. Images remain on the erasable paper for eight hours before progressively fading away< I always assumed that erasable paper was just another name for "inkjet" Put it in the sun and watch it fade away. On May 2, 2008, at 10:36 AM, West Printing wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > A tree hugging compromise. > http://www.enbite.com/researchers-develop-erasable-printing-paper/ > > I can think of a few uses, how about you? > > Last will and testament > Xerox service contract > Affirmative Action Plan > Loan Covenants... > > > Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz From ray at capitol-copy.com Fri May 2 11:39:40 2008 From: ray at capitol-copy.com (Ray Sziber) Date: Fri May 2 11:39:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ripit Master Care Agreement In-Reply-To: <20080502135928.251CFF095B4@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <000601c8ac6a$bc945e10$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> Loren It covers just the imagesetter. Vastech is separate: go to www.vastechusa.com (Mohr Enterprises) Ray Sziber Capitol Copy Service NAQP NAPL 116 West State Street Trenton NJ 08608 Ph 609-989-8776 Fx609-989-9570 www.Capitol-Copy.com Now Offering Large Format Printing! verkin tala >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rom: Loren Maurina Subject: [PrintOwners] RipIt - Xante MasterCare Service Agreement To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Message-ID: <64B954C2-D12D-45EE-AE8D-BF344F60CE5B@inkonpaper.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Those who have this service agreement on the hardware: Does your contract cover the Vastech processor? Or only the Imagesetter? Loren Maurina President<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From eupinc at aol.com Fri May 2 12:58:09 2008 From: eupinc at aol.com (eupinc@aol.com) Date: Fri May 2 12:58:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fwd: Polar 55 Cutter for Sale In-Reply-To: <8CA78E8D73CA85F-1520-2E22@webmail-db08.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA78E8D73CA85F-1520-2E22@webmail-db08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CA7A8CD55E96DE-39C-B9E@webmail-md12.sysops.aol.com> EUP - Porath Print Source 19236 DETROIT ROAD ROCKY RIVER, OHIO 44116 PHONE: 440.333.6484 FAX: 440.333.1182 www.porathprintsource.com -----Original Message----- From: eupinc@aol.com To: PrintOwners@printweb.org Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:51 am Subject: Polar 55 Programable Cutter for Sale 1986 Polar programmable Cutter for Sale. Serial # 5551841. 1 Owner / bought new. Service/maintence records available. Impeccably maintained. Pickup only in Rocky River, Ohio 44116. Also comes with 3 extra cutting blades. Sell price $6,250.00. Similar cutters online for $7,500.00. Call Dave 440.823.8361 EUP - Porath Print Source 19236 DETROIT ROAD ROCKY RIVER, OHIO 44116 PHONE: 440.333.6484 FAX: 440.333.1182 www.porathprintsource.com Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site. From char at themasterspress.com Fri May 2 13:09:07 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Fri May 2 13:09:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Playing Cards Message-ID: <00b401c8ac77$3b3f50b0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Have you ever printed or have a source for playing cards. The thick, coated, nice cards with the customers name on the back. I can Google but more interested in a known source that someone has used. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com From jodib at blackfoot.net Fri May 2 13:17:45 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Fri May 2 13:17:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Playing Cards References: <00b401c8ac77$3b3f50b0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <00fd01c8ac78$6fde6d00$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Charlene: We have a couple of customers that order sets of cards at the Holidays, I've worked with Carlson Craft (now Navitor) however, I would suggest submitting orders via email with them, their new on-line order system stinks - Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlene Sims" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:09 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Playing Cards > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Have you ever printed or have a source for playing cards. The thick, > coated, nice cards with the customers name on the back. > > I can Google but more interested in a known source that someone has used. > > ch > > > > Charlene Sims > > President > > The Master's Press, Inc. > > 14550 Midway Road > > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > > www.TheMastersPress.com > > char@themasterspress.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jacemeister at gmail.com Fri May 2 13:19:47 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Fri May 2 15:13:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ripit Master Care Agreement In-Reply-To: <000601c8ac6a$bc945e10$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> References: <20080502135928.251CFF095B4@rb.enter.net> <000601c8ac6a$bc945e10$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> Message-ID: Do not let them sell you the P24 plate processor. It is not reliable and once you accept it you're stuck with it. After fighting with them for over 6 months, we thougth they had it fixed so we paid them. Big mistake. Within days it was acting up again. RipIt dropped the ball with this and Xante doesn't care. Whenever Xante customer service calls I tell them the same story and they give me the same bs, saying they will make sure the "right person" hears about it. I don't think there is a right person there, and there certainly doesn't appear to be a right processor. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Ray Sziber wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Loren > > It covers just the imagesetter. > Vastech is separate: go to www.vastechusa.com (Mohr Enterprises) > > Ray Sziber > Capitol Copy Service NAQP NAPL > 116 West State Street > Trenton NJ 08608 > Ph 609-989-8776 Fx609-989-9570 > www.Capitol-Copy.com > Now Offering Large Format Printing! > verkin tala > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > rom: Loren Maurina > Subject: [PrintOwners] RipIt - Xante MasterCare Service Agreement > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <64B954C2-D12D-45EE-AE8D-BF344F60CE5B@inkonpaper.biz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Those who have this service agreement on the hardware: > > Does your contract cover the Vastech processor? > Or only the Imagesetter? > > Loren Maurina > President<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From brianoday at eprint.us Fri May 2 15:19:01 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Fri May 2 15:22:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Just got an order for 97, 500 shipped to south Africa (scam) In-Reply-To: References: <002f01c8abcf$edba2b00$800101df@eprint.local> Message-ID: <005301c8ac89$610f7880$800101df@eprint.local> Ian Guess we don't need the freight co. You should contact the sender and ask him for the order? This list is great print owners from around the world getting together to bad this is a scam we could have both made money! Thanks for checking out the address. Brian O'Day ePRINT 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland Oregon 97223 (503)684-267 Brianoday@eprint.us www.eprint.us -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ian Franks Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 5:30 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Just got an order for 97,500 shipped to south Africa (scam) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Brian I went there and there is a Hotel one corner and a school on the other corner. -- Regards Ian Franks Print Image 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo Johannesburg, South Africa Ph 011 447 3133 Fax 011 447 0642 sales@printimage.co.za www.printimage.co.za _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From craig at newhavenprint.com Sat May 3 10:08:02 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Sat May 3 10:02:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Midwest Printer's Party II In-Reply-To: <005301c8ac89$610f7880$800101df@eprint.local> Message-ID: <20080503140253.620B3F0C22B@rb.enter.net> Here we go again. Two years ago a group of us got together for a "serious" business only meeting. OK, maybe there was a little beer and laughter involved. Anyway, Becky Whatley and I have been thinking it's time for another go at it. We're looking at the weekend of June 7th and 8th. Probably back here in Fort Wayne, but we're open to suggestions. It was a lot of fun and we did tours of our shop and also Mark Hagar's Specialized Printed Products. Spent some time talking about marketing, employee issues, but mostly funny stories of everyday life in the printing world. Let me know if you're interested in attending. We'll get a list together and get things moving. I know it's short notice, but if Becky can make it from Riverside, California - others should be able to make arrangements. Thanks, Craig Craig Dellinger President New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com Sun May 4 15:21:46 2008 From: kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com (Kirk Squiers) Date: Sun May 4 15:21:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Midwest Printer's Party II Message-ID: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B1198E04@fpserver.FP.local> Craig, Two hour drive for me. I'm in. Kirk K. Squiers Central Michigan Graphics You think it! We ink it! 1200 E. Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-230-8600 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com Standard turnaround time on all printed jobs is 7-10 working days after final proof approval. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Craig Dellinger Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 10:08 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Midwest Printer's Party II ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Here we go again. Two years ago a group of us got together for a "serious" business only meeting. OK, maybe there was a little beer and laughter involved. Anyway, Becky Whatley and I have been thinking it's time for another go at it. We're looking at the weekend of June 7th and 8th. Probably back here in Fort Wayne, but we're open to suggestions. It was a lot of fun and we did tours of our shop and also Mark Hagar's Specialized Printed Products. Spent some time talking about marketing, employee issues, but mostly funny stories of everyday life in the printing world. Let me know if you're interested in attending. We'll get a list together and get things moving. I know it's short notice, but if Becky can make it from Riverside, California - others should be able to make arrangements. Thanks, Craig Craig Dellinger President New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jdaghir at gmail.com Mon May 5 02:07:40 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Mon May 5 02:36:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RipIt - Xante MasterCare Service Agreement In-Reply-To: <64B954C2-D12D-45EE-AE8D-BF344F60CE5B@inkonpaper.biz> References: <64B954C2-D12D-45EE-AE8D-BF344F60CE5B@inkonpaper.biz> Message-ID: <83d5b9620805042307p21e556bfpc176afd510113de4@mail.gmail.com> I wouldn't worry too much about the processor. Mechanically it's pretty simple - 3 pumps, a heating element & thermostat and a drive motor. That's about it. Fairly reliable and easy to diagnose & fix if something does go wrong. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Loren: > Those who have this service agreement on the hardware: > > Does your contract cover the Vastech processor? > Or only the Imagesetter? From jdaghir at gmail.com Mon May 5 02:12:06 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Mon May 5 02:39:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ripit Master Care Agreement In-Reply-To: References: <20080502135928.251CFF095B4@rb.enter.net> <000601c8ac6a$bc945e10$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> Message-ID: <83d5b9620805042312g7ccdf8fi78382220e3673aa1@mail.gmail.com> Jace, I believe Loren was inquiring about the Vastech processor which is for film and poly plates. I think the P24 is for violet metal plates. But good information to know none the less. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Jace said: > Do not let them sell you the P24 plate processor. It is not reliable and > once you accept it you're stuck with it. After fighting with them for over 6 > months, we thougth they had it fixed so we paid them. Big mistake. Within > days it was acting up again. RipIt dropped the ball with this and Xante > doesn't care. Whenever Xante customer service calls I tell them the same > story and they give me the same bs, saying they will make sure the "right > person" hears about it. I don't think there is a right person there, and > there certainly doesn't appear to be a right processor. From jdaghir at gmail.com Mon May 5 03:13:28 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Mon May 5 03:13:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Greetings from Beautiful San Diego Message-ID: <83d5b9620805050013uf7d564cp6c959f469fb6995f@mail.gmail.com> Greetings to all my printer friends from beautiful San Diego. My wife and I decided we deserved a long weekend away from the monsters - excuse me, I meant to say our children - so we left the kids with my parents and flew out here Friday. I'm writing this now from a private balcony off of our hotel room that overlooks the bay and I'm enjoying a nice glass of Californian Merlot while I listen to the seagulls and the seals and watch the boats go by. It's unbelievably beautiful here. We rented a convertible to get around and it's obvious that convertibles were invented with San Diego in mind - the weather is absolutely perfect. I spent Friday afternoon with Scott Cappel at shop picking his brain and soaking up as much knowledge as possible. Saturday we did some shopping at a large open-air mall and toured the extensive gardens around the San Diego Zoo. Later we met with Scott and his wife Elsa and enjoyed a long walk along the beach followed by good food, good drinks and best of all good company at a beach side bar. I'd like to publicly thank Scott and his wife for being such gracious and entertaining hosts. Today we went down to another beach and shopped and people watched for several hours. We also went out onto the pier and waved and cheered with several hundred other people as one the Navy's helicopter carrier ships came back into port after a tour of duty. I'm not terribly sentimental or overly patriotic but I have to admit it gave me a bit of lump in my throat to see that huge ship with all of the sailors in their dress whites lined up along the side of the ship, escorted by a couple of helicopters overhead and the American flag flying high above it all. There was also an air show going on and the military had some fighter jets in the air. They came in low and slow over the crowd at a steep angle of attack and then they hit their afterburners hard and jumped straight up into the sky. The sound we so loud and physical you could actually feel it inside of your body. It was loud enough that it set off several car alarms every time they made a pass overhead. After that we took a tour of the USS Midway aircraft carrier which has been decommissioned and turned into a floating museum. We spent over three hours walking around that ship and still only saw a small fraction of it. Even though it is old that thing is HUGE! No wonder the rest of the world sits up and takes notice when a carrier group moves into the area. I did notice one area on board that was marked as the print shop but there wasn't any equipment left in it, just some old photographs of sailors standing in front of cases of type. And right across the bay was the newest carrier in the fleet, the USS Ronald Regan. A very impressive day to say the least. Unfortunately all good things must come to an end and tomorrow afternoon we'll have to head home. ---- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com From david.doost at gmail.com Mon May 5 10:27:10 2008 From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost) Date: Mon May 5 10:27:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] If You Use Outlook E-Mail, Meet Xobni In-Reply-To: References: <20080502135928.251CFF095B4@rb.enter.net> <000601c8ac6a$bc945e10$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> Message-ID: <481f1939.0603c00a.29c9.ffffde33@mx.google.com> This is a Beta program - so proceed at your own risk. http://preview.tinyurl.com/55dr7n If You Use Outlook E-Mail, Meet Xobni Xobni, based in San Francisco, is introducing a new tool on Monday that plugs into Outlook. Mr. Smith's general complaint - one that is shared by many users of Outlook - is that the more the program is used, the slower it gets and the harder it is to search for e-mail addresses and phone numbers. To solve these problems, Xobni ("inbox" spelled backwards and pronounced zob-nee) has produced free downloadable software that, once installed, indexes all the e-mail in Outlook and makes those messages quickly and easily searchable. The software, available at www.xobni.com will also be sold to companies. David Doost Printing Impression Kennesaw, GA 30144 770-422-8766 _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Mon May 5 11:42:31 2008 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Mon May 5 11:42:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Midwest Printer's Party II In-Reply-To: <20080503140253.620B3F0C22B@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: I'd say I'm 50-50. Could be a conflict on the calendar with some personal stuff, but I'll try to work through that. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Craig Dellinger Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 9:08 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Midwest Printer's Party II ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Here we go again. Two years ago a group of us got together for a "serious" business only meeting. OK, maybe there was a little beer and laughter involved. Anyway, Becky Whatley and I have been thinking it's time for another go at it. We're looking at the weekend of June 7th and 8th. Probably back here in Fort Wayne, but we're open to suggestions. It was a lot of fun and we did tours of our shop and also Mark Hagar's Specialized Printed Products. Spent some time talking about marketing, employee issues, but mostly funny stories of everyday life in the printing world. Let me know if you're interested in attending. We'll get a list together and get things moving. I know it's short notice, but if Becky can make it from Riverside, California - others should be able to make arrangements. Thanks, Craig Craig Dellinger President New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1412 - Release Date: 5/2/2008 4:34 PM From printer at ptialaska.net Mon May 5 12:18:34 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Mon May 5 12:18:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hydrogen Boosters for you car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Has anyone researched these hydrogen conversions for their vehicles? Claims of doubling mileage etc. If anyone is in Van Nuys California, they demo them every Saturday, check it out and report back. Thanks... (sounds too good to be true) http://www.water4gas.com/2books.htm _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From ron at printingconcepts.com Mon May 5 14:22:01 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Mon May 5 14:22:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] MAILING FROM U.S. TO CANADA Message-ID: We have a customer who wants to mail 4500 foldover postcards into Canada. Anyone have any suggestions as to the best way to do this? They would also like to have a BRC. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com Mon May 5 14:35:42 2008 From: Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com (Gerry Engelhart) Date: Mon May 5 14:35:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Laser checks Message-ID: <200805051335800.SM04716@Engelhart> I have a customer who needed laser checks, three to a page We went to DFS who quoted the job, we marked it up and customer accepted. We placed the order and after three weeks they said they could not do the check. They could not number correctly (which is strange because they do mfg 3 up checks) After this fiasco, they just reordered from their old vendor. In Jan they called and told us the order is coming again. We quoted through Wise and quoted the customer again. They accepted. We went to give Wise the order and they repriced it since the original quote was 30 days old. They raised the price 53%. There was a price increase and they mis quoted the job They have agreed to a one time price consession, but does anyone have another vendor who can do a three up check with MICR on each thanks Gerry Engelhart Porath Printsource Cleveland Ohio From markath1 at verizon.net Mon May 5 14:37:10 2008 From: markath1 at verizon.net (Rick Martin) Date: Mon May 5 14:37:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] MAILING FROM U.S. TO CANADA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000e01c8aedf$0ac4f880$640a0a0a@advanced8l9v8x> We did a self mailer on 100# coated text a several years ago and all of Canada came back because it needed to be in an ENVELOPE. I'm not sure if it applies to postcards, but worth a thought. Rick Martin Advanced Print & Copy 229 Memorial Avenue W Springfield, MA 01089 413-736-9808 markath1@verizon.net www.advancedprintandcopy.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 2:22 PM To: printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] MAILING FROM U.S. TO CANADA ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have a customer who wants to mail 4500 foldover postcards into Canada. Anyone have any suggestions as to the best way to do this? They would also like to have a BRC. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Mon May 5 14:38:04 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Mon May 5 14:38:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Laser checks In-Reply-To: <200805051335800.SM04716@Engelhart> References: <200805051335800.SM04716@Engelhart> Message-ID: <481F540C.6050705@satx.rr.com> Ennis Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Gerry Engelhart wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a customer who needed laser checks, three to a page > > We went to DFS who quoted the job, we marked it up and customer accepted. > We placed the order and after three weeks they said they could not do the > check. > They could not number correctly (which is strange because they do mfg 3 up > checks) > > After this fiasco, they just reordered from their old vendor. > > In Jan they called and told us the order is coming again. > We quoted through Wise and quoted the customer again. They accepted. > > We went to give Wise the order and they repriced it since the original quote > was 30 days old. > They raised the price 53%. There was a price increase and they mis quoted > the job > > They have agreed to a one time price consession, but does anyone have > another vendor who > can do a three up check with MICR on each > > thanks > > Gerry Engelhart > Porath Printsource > Cleveland Ohio > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From markath1 at verizon.net Mon May 5 14:40:31 2008 From: markath1 at verizon.net (Rick Martin) Date: Mon May 5 14:41:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Laser checks In-Reply-To: <200805051335800.SM04716@Engelhart> Message-ID: <002301c8aedf$7fc58410$640a0a0a@advanced8l9v8x> We do laser checks thru Wilmer -- 1-800- 4wilmer. They have been pretty good to work with and have a few promotional offers for accounts new to them. They ship out of Ohio, so you would probably get next day delivery on orders to your area. Rick Martin Advanced Print & Copy 229 Memorial Avenue W Springfield, MA 01089 413-736-9808 markath1@verizon.net www.advancedprintandcopy.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Engelhart Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 2:36 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Laser checks ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a customer who needed laser checks, three to a page We went to DFS who quoted the job, we marked it up and customer accepted. We placed the order and after three weeks they said they could not do the check. They could not number correctly (which is strange because they do mfg 3 up checks) After this fiasco, they just reordered from their old vendor. In Jan they called and told us the order is coming again. We quoted through Wise and quoted the customer again. They accepted. We went to give Wise the order and they repriced it since the original quote was 30 days old. They raised the price 53%. There was a price increase and they mis quoted the job They have agreed to a one time price consession, but does anyone have another vendor who can do a three up check with MICR on each thanks Gerry Engelhart Porath Printsource Cleveland Ohio _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From si at ria.net Mon May 5 14:48:46 2008 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Mon May 5 14:51:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Laser checks In-Reply-To: <002301c8aedf$7fc58410$640a0a0a@advanced8l9v8x> References: <200805051335800.SM04716@Engelhart> <002301c8aedf$7fc58410$640a0a0a@advanced8l9v8x> Message-ID: <20080505115122.A6C3C323@dm0201.mta.everyone.net> I'd second Rick's Wilmer recommendation. They've done a good job for us over the past few years. Doug At 02:40 PM 5/5/2008, Rick Martin said: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We do laser checks thru Wilmer -- 1-800- 4wilmer. > >They have been pretty good to work with and have a few promotional offers >for accounts new to them. They ship out of Ohio, so you would probably get >next day delivery on orders to your area. Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Mon May 5 14:53:00 2008 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Mon May 5 14:53:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Midwest Printer's Party II References: Message-ID: <00dd01c8aee1$3eab2fa0$0600a8c0@Nancy> Hey Craig, Becky. I'm "probably" in!!! That is a while away but right now I'll say Yes!!! Nancy Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernard Bahn" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 10:42 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Midwest Printer's Party II > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'd say I'm 50-50. Could be a conflict on the calendar with some personal > stuff, but I'll try to work through that. > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc > 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 > > Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | > bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com > > http://www.creativeimaginginc.com > Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Craig Dellinger > Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 9:08 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] Midwest Printer's Party II > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Here we go again. Two years ago a group of us got together for a "serious" > business only meeting. > OK, maybe there was a little beer and laughter involved. Anyway, Becky > Whatley and I have been thinking it's time for another go at it. We're > looking at the weekend of June 7th and 8th. Probably back here in Fort > Wayne, but we're open to suggestions. It was a lot of fun and we did tours > of our shop and also Mark Hagar's Specialized Printed Products. Spent some > time talking about marketing, employee issues, but mostly funny stories of > everyday life in the printing world. Let me know if you're interested in > attending. We'll get a list together and get things moving. I know it's > short notice, but if Becky can make it from Riverside, California - others > should be able to make arrangements. > > Thanks, > Craig > Craig Dellinger > President > New Haven Print & Copy > 7531 US 930 East > Fort Wayne, IN 46803 > 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 > www.newhavenprint.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1412 - Release Date: 5/2/2008 > 4:34 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From printer at ptialaska.net Mon May 5 14:54:49 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Mon May 5 14:55:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cheap RAM Message-ID: <1B970940-1B50-44A7-BE69-9E0F00A4B4E3@ptialaska.net> I just installed 4 gigs of ram in the G5 for only $99, that is right 2-2 gig chips for only $99 total plus $10 shipping from Crucial so now I have 6 gigs (I could get up to 16 gigs if I wanted but we will be replacing this computer when the next line of chips ship). RAM is cheap, load up... P.S. They also have a download that will tell you which ram you need, way cool. http://www.crucial.com _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From hal at pickimp.com Mon May 5 15:00:37 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Mon May 5 14:57:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] MAILING FROM U.S. TO CANADA References: Message-ID: <003201c8aee2$5217ea00$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> We've been mailing monthly newsletters to Canada and Europe for over a decade. Email me off-list if you have specific questions. Hal From sos at olympus.net Mon May 5 16:47:20 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon May 5 16:47:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox! References: <00d201c8aa1b$0c98d280$25ca7780$@com> Message-ID: <042801c8aef1$37045000$6900a8c0@DANIEL> I just got a letter from Xerox saying they will be issuing a refund check. In the same mail I got the refund check, for 30 cents. Wonder what it cost them to issue that letter and that check? $30.00 maybe? What are they thinking? Why not just credit out account, why the letter and separate check? They're probably over billing me for thousands and just sent the 30 cents out to create the illusion of honesty. Yeah, that's probably it. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From dominick at fmtc.com Mon May 5 17:10:17 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Mon May 5 17:10:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DeCurler for Copier Message-ID: <481F77B9.2090706@fmtc.com> Anybody use one of these? Or even heard on one? Our Xerox 252 gives a nasty curl to our 11 x 17 business card stock, and we have been running it thru a 2nd time to "decurl." Just wondering if there is such a beast... Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! From npiprinting at verizon.net Mon May 5 17:56:11 2008 From: npiprinting at verizon.net (Steve Fairchild) Date: Mon May 5 17:56:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Peer Group needed in the Mid-Atlantic Region Message-ID: <481F827B.5060803@verizon.net> I am interested in becoming a part of a Peer Group that is looking for another member or forming a new group. If someone is interested please email me off list. States that could be included: Virginia, Kentucky, Ohio, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania. We are located in Central West Virginia and would like to work with members in these areas. Looking forward to healthy response soon so we can begin comparing results. -- Thanks, Charles S. Fairchild, President Nicholas Printing, Inc. 1109 Broad Street Summersville, WV 26651 1-304-872-5906 - Phone 1-304-872-5923 - Fax npiprinting@verizon.net www.nicholasprinting.com From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Mon May 5 18:17:13 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Mon May 5 18:19:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DeCurler for Copier In-Reply-To: <481F77B9.2090706@fmtc.com> References: <481F77B9.2090706@fmtc.com> Message-ID: I know there is such an animal, but the time I saw it was when demoing a Canon 4000. It was built in and worked very well. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dominick's Printing Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 4:10 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] DeCurler for Copier ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Anybody use one of these? Or even heard on one? Our Xerox 252 gives a nasty curl to our 11 x 17 business card stock, and we have been running it thru a 2nd time to "decurl." Just wondering if there is such a beast... Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From jodib at blackfoot.net Mon May 5 18:21:26 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Mon May 5 18:21:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox! References: <00d201c8aa1b$0c98d280$25ca7780$@com> <042801c8aef1$37045000$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <00cf01c8aefe$5bfa5dc0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Dan: don't spend that .30 all in one place Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Huntingford" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Xerox! > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > I just got a letter from Xerox saying they will be issuing a refund check. > In the same mail I got the refund check, for 30 cents. > Wonder what it cost them to issue that letter and that check? > > $30.00 maybe? > What are they thinking? > > Why not just credit out account, why the letter and separate check? > > They're probably over billing me for thousands and just sent the 30 cents > out to create the illusion of honesty. > Yeah, that's probably it. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Mon May 5 19:12:39 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon May 5 19:12:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DeCurler for Copier References: <481F77B9.2090706@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <049e01c8af05$836ee7c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Our Xerox 4110 has a decurl function. It seems to help a bit, but not a whole lot. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dominick's Printing" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 2:10 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] DeCurler for Copier > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Anybody use one of these? Or even heard on one? > > Our Xerox 252 gives a nasty curl to our 11 x 17 business card stock, and > we have been running it thru a 2nd time to "decurl." > > Just wondering if there is such a beast... > > Joe Dominick > > Dominick's Quality Printing > 542 W. Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > 541.881.1121 > Fax 541.881.1599 > > www.dominicksprinting.com > dominick@fmtc.com > > Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider > Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From dominick at fmtc.com Mon May 5 19:27:55 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Joe Dominick) Date: Mon May 5 19:41:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mac OS Message-ID: <6e9828ad0ec4eaeb8b1315bbb55d2693@fmtc.com> Fellow Printers, Because of our new purchase of the iPF8000s, (canon 44" wide format printer) we need to upgrade all our computers from 10.3.9 to at least 10.4.11. I have one Mac running 10.4.11, and it prints to ALL my hardware (old and new), with no problems. It runs CS2, just fine, (need to load CS3), everything works great. Is there anything about 10.5 Leopard that I need to know about? Have 6 Mac's to upgrade, so want to do it quick easy and no problems. Joe Dominick Dominick's Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541-881-1121 fax 541-881-1599 http://www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com NEW! We are Ontario's ONLY Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher File Welcome Here! Total Quality Printing using the Technology of Today! From mkahny at gmail.com Mon May 5 19:53:53 2008 From: mkahny at gmail.com (Michael Kahny) Date: Mon May 5 19:54:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mac OS In-Reply-To: <6e9828ad0ec4eaeb8b1315bbb55d2693@fmtc.com> References: <6e9828ad0ec4eaeb8b1315bbb55d2693@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <7bb924c10805051653k5e0ed76y6e464b0d280ed066@mail.gmail.com> Joe, we have been Mac based in our type and prepress department for over 20 years and I can honestly say we have never experienced as many problems with any upgrade as we have since updating from 10.3 to 10.5. (That includes the jumps from 6 to 7 AND the jump from 9 to OSX.) We have 3 work stations that are constantly crashing when using Indesign CS3 & CS2. Below is a link to a white paper on the problem from the Adobe website. The short of the paper is that they are aware of the problem, and are working on it. Their suggested solution of removing Version Cue has not eliminated the problem completely.We still are getting multiple crashes a day. So my recommendation is to stick with 10.4 until this issue is resolved. - Mike Michael Kahny Kahny Printing Cincinnati, OH 45233 (513) 251-2911 http://tinyurl.com/5f9op2 On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Joe Dominick wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Fellow Printers, > Because of our new purchase of the iPF8000s, (canon 44" wide format > printer) we need to upgrade all our computers from 10.3.9 to at least > 10.4.11. > > I have one Mac running 10.4.11, and it prints to ALL my hardware (old and > new), with no problems. It runs CS2, just fine, (need to load CS3), > everything works great. > > Is there anything about 10.5 Leopard that I need to know about? Have 6 > Mac's to upgrade, so want to do it quick easy and no problems. > > Joe Dominick > Dominick's Printing > 542 W. Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > > 541-881-1121 > fax 541-881-1599 > > http://www.dominicksprinting.com > dominick@fmtc.com > > NEW! We are Ontario's ONLY Adobe Authorized Service Provider > Microsoft Publisher File Welcome Here! > > Total Quality Printing using the Technology of Today! > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From printer at ptialaska.net Mon May 5 19:57:49 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Mon May 5 19:57:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mac OS In-Reply-To: <6e9828ad0ec4eaeb8b1315bbb55d2693@fmtc.com> References: <6e9828ad0ec4eaeb8b1315bbb55d2693@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <312CABBA-EE4A-4127-ABD0-7EE848FF3276@ptialaska.net> On May 5, 2008, at 3:27 PM, Joe Dominick wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Fellow Printers, > Because of our new purchase of the iPF8000s, (canon 44" wide format > printer) we need to upgrade all our computers from 10.3.9 to at > least 10.4.11. > > I have one Mac running 10.4.11, and it prints to ALL my hardware > (old and new), with no problems. It runs CS2, just fine, (need to > load CS3), everything works great. > > Is there anything about 10.5 Leopard that I need to know about? Have > 6 Mac's to upgrade, so want to do it quick easy and no problems. REPLY: Try installing it on one to see how it works. We have leopard and no problems with it so far. _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From k_graham at hotmail.com Mon May 5 22:52:26 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Mon May 5 22:52:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DeCurler for Copier References: <481F77B9.2090706@fmtc.com> Message-ID: > Our Xerox 252 gives a nasty curl to our 11 x 17 business card stock, and > we have been running it thru a 2nd time to "decurl." > Joe Dominick > Joe, I think the issue is to find acceptable stocks. We run most of our business cards on10 & 12 point Supreme Gloss from Xerox. We used to use 110# index, Domtar White for uncoated but thats been discontinued by our supplier. I've tried Cooper 80 Cover but find it not acceptable. For lighter weight card 80# hammermill stays flat but is too thin for business cards. I'm going to look into 100# cover, something must be good as a uncoated BC. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com Dawson Creek BC 250-782-7108 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue May 6 00:14:44 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue May 6 00:15:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DeCurler for Copier In-Reply-To: References: <481F77B9.2090706@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <200805060414.m464EhU9061470@i2bnetworks.com> 110# Classic Crest. Nice and thick and runs without a hitch (for us). S. At 07:52 PM 5/5/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >>Our Xerox 252 gives a nasty curl to our 11 x 17 business card >>stock, and we have been running it thru a 2nd time to "decurl." >>Joe Dominick > >Joe, I think the issue is to find acceptable stocks. > >We run most of our business cards on10 & 12 point Supreme Gloss from Xerox. > >We used to use 110# index, Domtar White for uncoated but thats been >discontinued by our supplier. > >I've tried Cooper 80 Cover but find it not acceptable. > >For lighter weight card 80# hammermill stays flat but is too thin >for business cards. > >I'm going to look into 100# cover, something must be good as a uncoated BC. > >Ken Graham >CommunityPrinters.com >Dawson Creek BC >250-782-7108 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3077 (20080506) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From ron at printingconcepts.com Tue May 6 09:27:32 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Tue May 6 09:27:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] MAILING FROM U.S. TO CANADA In-Reply-To: <003201c8aee2$5217ea00$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Thanks Hal for your offer to help, but I don't see your email on your signature. Sorry if I am clueless here. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Hal Wendt Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:01 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] MAILING FROM U.S. TO CANADA ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We've been mailing monthly newsletters to Canada and Europe for over a decade. Email me off-list if you have specific questions. Hal _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ron at printingconcepts.com Tue May 6 09:27:32 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Tue May 6 09:27:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing from U.S. to Canada Message-ID: Has anyone on this list ever used a Canadian printer to mail into Canada? Anyone on this list speak Canadian? :) Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From jeff at hprinting.biz Tue May 6 09:35:43 2008 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Tue May 6 09:35:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing from U.S. to Canada In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080506133526.28031.25645@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 09:27 AM 5/6/2008, you wrote: >Has anyone on this list ever used a Canadian printer to mail into Canada? One of my non-for-profits use to use a company that transported the mail to Canada. They postaged it there and entered into the Canadian Postal System. They were only mailing about 2,000 at a time. They have since started mailing from their Canadian office so they no longer use the forwarding company. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue May 6 09:35:50 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Tue May 6 09:35:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DeCurler for Copier In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080506133543.IRZK24465.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> The KM6500 & KM5500 machines also have this. It is a heater in the high capacity tray on the back of the machine and is called a dehumidifier. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From hal at pickimp.com Tue May 6 09:54:51 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Tue May 6 09:51:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] MAILING FROM U.S. TO CANADA References: Message-ID: <003801c8af80$d67f49c0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> It's in the FROM line. Hal Email: Hal@pickIMP.com A Click and Mortar Business ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Taggart To: printowners Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:27 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] MAILING FROM U.S. TO CANADA ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thanks Hal for your offer to help, but I don't see your email on your signature. Sorry if I am clueless here. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Hal Wendt Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:01 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] MAILING FROM U.S. TO CANADA ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We've been mailing monthly newsletters to Canada and Europe for over a decade. Email me off-list if you have specific questions. Hal _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From webmaster at designercard.com Tue May 6 10:22:38 2008 From: webmaster at designercard.com (webmaster@designercard.com) Date: Tue May 6 10:17:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hydrogen Boosters for you car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0AAC09F040524E0A98540EB2CFF1971C@ebilliotPC> Yes, its true. I do have tons of information on my home computer. Including 4 companies that claim to be coming out with a unit that will run you car on 100% hydrogen made from water. Two of which claim will be this year and are both looking for dealers for distribution of their product. Anyone can do their own research on Google or Youtube and here are just a few search terms you can start with HHO Stanley Myers (sample - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f52n8JkYEs ) Denny Klein (sample - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImGaraPrEo8 ) Hydrogen on Demand and there is simply tons of information for those looking. I am still amazed as to why one has to go looking for this information instead of having this information mainstream in the everyday news media. I only have a few links here at my shop so I ask anyone interested to email me at mcptrman@cox.net (my home email address) because all my research is on my home computer. Please do not email me here at my shop because I simply do not have the information here. I will be glad to share with anyone interested. Ed ed@designercard.com Designer Business Cards, Inc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles A. Lincoln" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Hydrogen Boosters for you car > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Has anyone researched these hydrogen conversions for their vehicles? > Claims of doubling mileage etc. If anyone is in Van Nuys California, they > demo them every Saturday, check it out and report back. Thanks... > (sounds too good to be true) > > http://www.water4gas.com/2books.htm > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From eking at whidbeyprinters.com Tue May 6 10:39:07 2008 From: eking at whidbeyprinters.com (Eric at Whidbey Printers) Date: Tue May 6 10:39:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mac OS In-Reply-To: <312CABBA-EE4A-4127-ABD0-7EE848FF3276@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: Be sure to run Disk Utility-Repair Permissions before installing 10.5, and run it again immediately after the install and restart. Then download the latest combined updater from Apple's website (do not run Software Update yet. If it starts on its own, quit out of it.) Run the combined updater, then Repair Permissions again. Then run Software Update and when everything is installed, run Repair Permissions again. Always run Repair Permissions before AND after any update. Always download and use a combined updater (if available) rather than Software Update, when one is available. It is also not wise to simply update the existing system software when going from one named version to another. Archive and Install is a good route to go. It installs a completely fresh system and then copies over your settings, preferences, home folder, etc. On 5/5/08 4:57 PM, "Charles A. Lincoln" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > On May 5, 2008, at 3:27 PM, Joe Dominick wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Fellow Printers, >> Because of our new purchase of the iPF8000s, (canon 44" wide format >> printer) we need to upgrade all our computers from 10.3.9 to at >> least 10.4.11. >> >> I have one Mac running 10.4.11, and it prints to ALL my hardware >> (old and new), with no problems. It runs CS2, just fine, (need to >> load CS3), everything works great. >> >> Is there anything about 10.5 Leopard that I need to know about? Have >> 6 Mac's to upgrade, so want to do it quick easy and no problems. > > > REPLY: > Try installing it on one to see how it works. We have leopard and no > problems with it so far. > > > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > -- 2003 & 2002 Quality Award - Oak Harbor Chamber of Commerce 2001 Business of the Year - Oak Harbor Chamber of Commerce Eric King Whidbey Printers 1330 SW Barlow St #1 Oak Harbor, WA 98277 360-675-8837 Fax 360-679-4120 eking@whidbeyprinters.com From doug at p-print.com Tue May 6 10:46:09 2008 From: doug at p-print.com (Doug) Date: Tue May 6 10:46:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hydrogen Boosters for you car In-Reply-To: <0AAC09F040524E0A98540EB2CFF1971C@ebilliotPC> References: <0AAC09F040524E0A98540EB2CFF1971C@ebilliotPC> Message-ID: <5A36CB56-265D-4695-9441-1AE273CEDDBC@p-print.com> Didn't "Myth Busters" feature this on one of the shows. Doug S Performance Printing, Inc 2500 East Fifth Street Marshfield, WI 54449 715.384.4354 doug@p-print.com On May 6, 2008, at 9:22 AM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Yes, its true. > > I do have tons of information on my home computer. Including 4 > companies that claim to be coming out with a unit that will run you > car on 100% hydrogen made from water. Two of which claim will be > this year and are both looking for dealers for distribution of > their product. > > Anyone can do their own research on Google or Youtube and here are > just a few search terms you can start with > > HHO > Stanley Myers (sample - http://www.youtube.com/watch? > v=0f52n8JkYEs ) > Denny Klein (sample - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImGaraPrEo8 ) > Hydrogen on Demand > > and there is simply tons of information for those looking. I am > still amazed as > to why one has to go looking for this information instead of having > this > information mainstream in the everyday news media. > > I only have a few links here at my shop so I ask anyone interested > to email me at > mcptrman@cox.net (my home email address) because all my research is > on my home computer. > > Please do not email me here at my shop because I simply do not have > the information here. > > I will be glad to share with anyone interested. > > Ed > ed@designercard.com > Designer Business Cards, Inc. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles A. Lincoln" > > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:18 AM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Hydrogen Boosters for you car > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Has anyone researched these hydrogen conversions for their >> vehicles? Claims of doubling mileage etc. If anyone is in Van Nuys >> California, they demo them every Saturday, check it out and >> report back. Thanks... >> (sounds too good to be true) >> >> http://www.water4gas.com/2books.htm >> >> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ >> >> Charles Lincoln >> ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY >> 612 30th Avenue >> Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 >> (907) 451-1111 >> fax (907) 451-4511 >> >> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue May 6 11:39:10 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue May 6 11:39:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hydrogen Boosters for you car In-Reply-To: <0AAC09F040524E0A98540EB2CFF1971C@ebilliotPC> References: <0AAC09F040524E0A98540EB2CFF1971C@ebilliotPC> Message-ID: <200805061539.m46Fd9eq043531@i2bnetworks.com> The thermodynamics of Hydrogen do not work. The energy required to create Hydrogen from the electrolysis of water is too great to be feasable as an energy source. You may be able to run your car on Hydrogen (which in itself will get you a very short distance because there is just no large amount of energy to be released as there is in fossil fuels), but your electricity bill for any "device" they may want to sell you for the electrolysis (separation of H2 from H20) will make you wish for the days of 5$ gas..... Just like Ethanol (another insane public policy put together by politicians who have no understanding of energy and thermodynamics) there is no real net energy gain by the production of the fuel. Before you get to hyped up on Hydrogen and get scammed into spending money on anything, take a read: http://tinyurl.com/4sc4lb Hydrogen has its place (like powering spacecraft where your choices are indeed limited and profit is not involved) but I can't see it for your car. S. At 07:22 AM 5/6/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Yes, its true. > >I do have tons of information on my home computer. Including 4 >companies that claim to be coming out with a unit that will run you >car on 100% hydrogen made from water. Two of which claim will be >this year and are both looking for dealers for distribution of their product. > >Anyone can do their own research on Google or Youtube and here are >just a few search terms you can start with > >HHO >Stanley Myers (sample - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f52n8JkYEs ) >Denny Klein (sample - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImGaraPrEo8 ) >Hydrogen on Demand > >and there is simply tons of information for those looking. I am >still amazed as >to why one has to go looking for this information instead of having this >information mainstream in the everyday news media. > >I only have a few links here at my shop so I ask anyone interested >to email me at >mcptrman@cox.net (my home email address) because all my research is >on my home computer. > >Please do not email me here at my shop because I simply do not have >the information here. > >I will be glad to share with anyone interested. > >Ed >ed@designercard.com >Designer Business Cards, Inc. > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles A. Lincoln" > >To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > >Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:18 AM >Subject: [PrintOwners] Hydrogen Boosters for you car > > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>Has anyone researched these hydrogen conversions for their >>vehicles? Claims of doubling mileage etc. If anyone is in Van Nuys >>California, they demo them every Saturday, check it out and report >>back. Thanks... >>(sounds too good to be true) >> >>http://www.water4gas.com/2books.htm >> >>_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ >> >>Charles Lincoln >>ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY >>612 30th Avenue >>Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 >>(907) 451-1111 >>fax (907) 451-4511 >> >>_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3079 (20080506) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Tue May 6 12:03:46 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Tue May 6 12:04:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hydrogen Boosters for you car In-Reply-To: <20080506153924.5051AF14205@rb.enter.net> References: <20080506153924.5051AF14205@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <265A37B1-6CA0-4DD9-8691-8C32B3135811@sheergraphics.com> Much as I am amused by the junk science that abounds in congress, shouldn't this subject be labelled: OFF. Official Fuel Foolishness. > The thermodynamics of Hydrogen do not work. > > The energy required to create Hydrogen from the electrolysis of > water is too great to be feasable as an energy source. > > You may be able to run your car on Hydrogen (which in itself will > get you a very short distance because there is just no large amount > of energy to be released as there is in fossil fuels), but your > electricity bill for any "device" they may want to sell you for the > electrolysis (separation of H2 from H20) will make you wish for the > days of 5$ gas..... > > Just like Ethanol (another insane public policy put together by > politicians who have no understanding of energy and thermodynamics) > there is no real net energy gain by the production of the fuel. > > Before you get to hyped up on Hydrogen and get scammed into spending > money on anything, take a read:http://tinyurl.com/4sc4lb > > Hydrogen has its place (like powering spacecraft where your choices > are indeed limited and profit is not involved) but I can't see it > for your car. > > S. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From sciesemier at pagepath.com Tue May 6 12:35:29 2008 From: sciesemier at pagepath.com (Steve Ciesemier) Date: Tue May 6 12:35:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hydrogen Boosters for you car In-Reply-To: <200805061539.m46Fd9eq043531@i2bnetworks.com> References: <0AAC09F040524E0A98540EB2CFF1971C@ebilliotPC> <200805061539.m46Fd9eq043531@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: > The thermodynamics of Hydrogen do not work. > >The energy required to create Hydrogen from the electrolysis of water >is too great to be feasable as an energy source. Iceland has hydrogen producing "gas" pumps - but their electricity is produced from really really cheap geothermal sources that create steam to spin turbines. Sitting on top of some *very* hot earth has some nice perks: outdoor hot water baths all year round, heated streets and sidewalks, heated greenhouses to grow food, lots of juicy electrons to lavish on creating hydrogen gas to fuel cars. Iceland is energy self sufficient. Of course, you also have the occasional volcanic eruption or two :-0 National Geographic did a nice article on Iceland recently. I think the closest we have to a similar geothermal situation would be Yellowstone. -Steve *********************************************************** Steve Ciesemier PagePath Technologies, Inc. 13 East Main Street Plano, IL 60545-1521 Phone: 630-689-4112 Fax: 630-604-1156 mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com http://www.pagepath.com MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage International & Best of Breed by Xerox MyOrderDesk - Spend more time winning & keeping customers, improve your profits. *********************************************************** From tufelkinder at gmail.com Tue May 6 14:11:09 2008 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Tue May 6 14:11:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hydrogen Boosters for you car In-Reply-To: References: <0AAC09F040524E0A98540EB2CFF1971C@ebilliotPC> <200805061539.m46Fd9eq043531@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0805061111n36fb415cvcce648ba7ce42e58@mail.gmail.com> On this topic: http://mercersburg.net/waterGas.gif :-) Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ What color is a chameleon on a mirror? From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Tue May 6 14:41:38 2008 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King) Date: Tue May 6 14:41:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FW: Digital Numbering Advice Needed Message-ID: <000001c8afa8$d1a11320$74e33960$@com> We've been using the program Auto-Number for years to do our forms numbering - but it's on a Mac OS 9.x which we're retiring. How do you all do simple numbering (raffle tickets, etc.) on your copiers? Thanks in advance! Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From slb at inkspot.net Tue May 6 14:53:14 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue May 6 14:53:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FW: Digital Numbering Advice Needed In-Reply-To: <000001c8afa8$d1a11320$74e33960$@com> References: <000001c8afa8$d1a11320$74e33960$@com> Message-ID: <482070DA.13525.661D2192@slb.inkspot.net> We use Fusion Pro, since we have it for variable data work. It's certainly overkill for numbering, but, since we have it already, it'd be silly to buy something else for numbering. Steve > > We've been using the program Auto-Number for years to do our forms numbering > - but it's on a Mac OS 9.x which we're retiring. How do you all do simple > numbering (raffle tickets, etc.) on your copiers? > > > > Thanks in advance! > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3079 (20080506) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From melissa at kwiksolutions.com Tue May 6 14:59:08 2008 From: melissa at kwiksolutions.com (Melissa Uber) Date: Tue May 6 14:57:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FW: Digital Numbering Advice Needed In-Reply-To: <000001c8afa8$d1a11320$74e33960$@com> Message-ID: <000a01c8afab$44c579c0$3e00000a@Melissa> We use Auto-Number on our Macs using OS 10. Melissa Uber Kwik Solutions...Everything in Print! melissa@kwiksolutions.com 20 W. 3rd St, Jamestown, NY 14701 (716) 483-3227 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tom King Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:42 PM To: Print Owners Subject: [PrintOwners] FW: Digital Numbering Advice Needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We've been using the program Auto-Number for years to do our forms numbering - but it's on a Mac OS 9.x which we're retiring. How do you all do simple numbering (raffle tickets, etc.) on your copiers? Thanks in advance! Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From slb at inkspot.net Tue May 6 14:57:21 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue May 6 14:57:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FW: Digital Numbering Advice Needed In-Reply-To: <000001c8afa8$d1a11320$74e33960$@com> References: <000001c8afa8$d1a11320$74e33960$@com> Message-ID: <482071D1.21500.6620E77D@slb.inkspot.net> I didn't mention it in my first email, but we initially purchased Fusion Pro for one very large numbering job (knowing that we also wanted variable-data software). That job alone justified the purchase, and it enabled us to get into variable data in a more serious way than formerly. YMMV, Steve > > We've been using the program Auto-Number for years to do our forms numbering > - but it's on a Mac OS 9.x which we're retiring. How do you all do simple > numbering (raffle tickets, etc.) on your copiers? > > > > Thanks in advance! > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3079 (20080506) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From sos at olympus.net Tue May 6 15:03:03 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue May 6 15:03:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FW: Digital Numbering Advice Needed References: <000001c8afa8$d1a11320$74e33960$@com> Message-ID: <058b01c8afab$cfa8e540$6900a8c0@DANIEL> On Windows PC we use a program called Number Machine, www.number-it.com or 1-800-944-9526 If they are still there. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom King" To: "Print Owners" Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] FW: Digital Numbering Advice Needed > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We've been using the program Auto-Number for years to do our forms > numbering > - but it's on a Mac OS 9.x which we're retiring. How do you all do simple > numbering (raffle tickets, etc.) on your copiers? > > > > Thanks in advance! > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From eking at whidbeyprinters.com Tue May 6 15:18:10 2008 From: eking at whidbeyprinters.com (Eric at Whidbey Printers) Date: Tue May 6 15:18:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FW: Digital Numbering Advice Needed In-Reply-To: <000001c8afa8$d1a11320$74e33960$@com> Message-ID: We also use Auto-Number on our Mac's with OS X. Don't know if they have an upgrade path or if you'll need to repurchase it. Works great. On 5/6/08 11:41 AM, "Tom King" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We've been using the program Auto-Number for years to do our forms numbering > - but it's on a Mac OS 9.x which we're retiring. How do you all do simple > numbering (raffle tickets, etc.) on your copiers? > > > > Thanks in advance! > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > -- 2003 & 2002 Quality Award - Oak Harbor Chamber of Commerce 2001 Business of the Year - Oak Harbor Chamber of Commerce Eric King Whidbey Printers 1330 SW Barlow St #1 Oak Harbor, WA 98277 360-675-8837 Fax 360-679-4120 eking@whidbeyprinters.com From jacemeister at gmail.com Tue May 6 16:28:39 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Tue May 6 16:28:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quote for Cards Message-ID: If anyone would like to quote on this job, you are welcome. I normally do this job inhouse but they've bumped the quantity and I don't want to do all this shrink wrapping ! Stock 110# White Index Black & PMS 307 Blue - Front & Back Has screen on one side but no bleeds Quantity 600,000 200 per package (3000 packages) in generic cartons -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com From cpc at clearnet.net Tue May 6 16:35:31 2008 From: cpc at clearnet.net (Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc.) Date: Tue May 6 16:35:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FW: Digital Numbering Advice Needed In-Reply-To: <000001c8afa8$d1a11320$74e33960$@com> References: <000001c8afa8$d1a11320$74e33960$@com> Message-ID: <4820C113.3030601@clearnet.net> Hi Tom, The simple numbering jobs can be done with InDesign using the Data Merge feature. I created a couple numbering templates for our popular raffle ticket layouts and just reuse them. For longer runs I agree with Steve Blatman -- one job can easily pay for the cost of FusionPro Desktop. Randy Hurley Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 17 South Third Street P.O. Box 23 Clearfield, PA 16830 814-765-4731 Fax: 814-765-1380 cpc@clearnet.net Tom King wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We've been using the program Auto-Number for years to do our forms numbering >- but it's on a Mac OS 9.x which we're retiring. How do you all do simple >numbering (raffle tickets, etc.) on your copiers? > > > >Thanks in advance! > >Tom King >King Printing >1305 W. College Ave. >State College, PA 16801 >Phone: 814-238-2536 >Fax: 814-237-5238 >Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > From kellycrom at gmail.com Tue May 6 16:40:53 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Tue May 6 16:40:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quote for Cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <025d01c8afb9$7b483740$6d01a8c0@KELLY> What is the size of the card? Also, if it's just the shrink wrapping you don't want to do, then do the printing, and send them out to a trade-bindery for high-speed wrapping. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jace Prejean > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 3:29 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Quote for Cards > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > If anyone would like to quote on this job, you are welcome. I > normally do > this job inhouse but they've bumped the quantity and I don't > want to do all > this shrink wrapping ! > > Stock 110# White Index > Black & PMS 307 Blue - Front & Back > Has screen on one side but no bleeds > Quantity 600,000 > 200 per package (3000 packages) in generic cartons > -- > Jace Prejean > Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc > 922 Sunset Ave > Houma, LA 70360 > Phone 985-868-8273 > > www.BayouPrinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Tue May 6 16:45:36 2008 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Tue May 6 16:45:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FW: Digital Numbering Advice Needed In-Reply-To: <482071D1.21500.6620E77D@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <01b901c8afba$2307f100$f901a8c0@MitchDell> We have/had an old version of Planet Press on a Windows 2000 server. Long story short, we had a power issue with the electricity coming into our building and we had a couple of pieces of equipment die on us, one being the Windows 2000 server box. My question is, does Fusion Pro create a PDF that you then send to your printer, or does it merge the data at the printer? The thing that we've liked about Planet Press is that once you have the form all set up, all you have to do is drop numbering data files into a hot folder, and it sent the data to the printer and merged it there. You don't have to keep re-ripping common data. It is very fast, but the older version of planet press is a PITA to program and updating it is very expensive. We have the desktop version of XMPie, but to do the merge at that RIP, you need to upgrade to the server addition, and now you're talking big bucks again. TIA Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:57 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] FW: Digital Numbering Advice Needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I didn't mention it in my first email, but we initially purchased Fusion Pro for one very large numbering job (knowing that we also wanted variable-data software). That job alone justified the purchase, and it enabled us to get into variable data in a more serious way than formerly. YMMV, Steve > > We've been using the program Auto-Number for years to do our forms numbering > - but it's on a Mac OS 9.x which we're retiring. How do you all do simple > numbering (raffle tickets, etc.) on your copiers? > > > > Thanks in advance! > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3079 (20080506) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kevin at abfprints.com Tue May 6 16:43:58 2008 From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko) Date: Tue May 6 16:51:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quote for Cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007401c8afb9$e91076c0$1c00a8c0@abf.local> What is the size of the finished piece? Kevin Danko Advantage Business Forms 102 N. Riverside Ave. Rialto, CA 92376 Phone: (909) 875-7163 Fax: (909) 875-7971 www.abfprints.com E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jace Prejean Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:29 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Quote for Cards ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** If anyone would like to quote on this job, you are welcome. I normally do this job inhouse but they've bumped the quantity and I don't want to do all this shrink wrapping ! Stock 110# White Index Black & PMS 307 Blue - Front & Back Has screen on one side but no bleeds Quantity 600,000 200 per package (3000 packages) in generic cartons -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jacemeister at gmail.com Tue May 6 16:55:52 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Tue May 6 16:56:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quote for Cards In-Reply-To: <025d01c8afb9$7b483740$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <025d01c8afb9$7b483740$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: Sorry about that! The finished size is 3" x 7.5". I only know of one trade shop within 100 miles of here and his trade prices are generally higher than my retail prices. So to him, being a trade printer means printing for the trade - not pricing for the trade . In case you're wondering, my prices are consistently in the middle to high range of the PrintImage Pricing Study. Thanks for the suggestion. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics < kellycrom@gmail.com> wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What is the size of the card? > > Also, if it's just the shrink wrapping you don't want to do, then do the > printing, and send them out to a trade-bindery for high-speed wrapping. > > Kelly Crom > Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 > Plymouth, MN 55441 > (763)231-6970 > kellycrom@gmail.com > www.applied-graphics.com > > p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's > Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jace Prejean > > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 3:29 PM > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: [PrintOwners] Quote for Cards > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > If anyone would like to quote on this job, you are welcome. I > > normally do > > this job inhouse but they've bumped the quantity and I don't > > want to do all > > this shrink wrapping ! > > > > Stock 110# White Index > > Black & PMS 307 Blue - Front & Back > > Has screen on one side but no bleeds > > Quantity 600,000 > > 200 per package (3000 packages) in generic cartons > > -- > > Jace Prejean > > Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc > > 922 Sunset Ave > > Houma, LA 70360 > > Phone 985-868-8273 > > > > www.BayouPrinting.com > From jacemeister at gmail.com Tue May 6 17:00:25 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Tue May 6 17:00:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quote for Cards In-Reply-To: <007401c8afb9$e91076c0$1c00a8c0@abf.local> References: <007401c8afb9$e91076c0$1c00a8c0@abf.local> Message-ID: I didn't contact you directly, Kevin, because I thought you were only interested in high-end process color work. I had given your name to my CSR's in the event we get other full-color jobs that are too large for our presses, although that isn't a common occurance. What other kinds of printing do you offer - do you have web presses by chance? -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Kevin Danko wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What is the size of the finished piece? > > Kevin Danko > Advantage Business Forms > 102 N. Riverside Ave. > Rialto, CA 92376 > Phone: (909) 875-7163 > Fax: (909) 875-7971 > www.abfprints.com > E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jace Prejean > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:29 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Quote for Cards > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > If anyone would like to quote on this job, you are welcome. I normally do > this job inhouse but they've bumped the quantity and I don't want to do > all > this shrink wrapping ! > > Stock 110# White Index > Black & PMS 307 Blue - Front & Back > Has screen on one side but no bleeds > Quantity 600,000 > 200 per package (3000 packages) in generic cartons > -- > Jace Prejean > Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc > 922 Sunset Ave > Houma, LA 70360 > Phone 985-868-8273 > > www.BayouPrinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > From slb at inkspot.net Tue May 6 17:12:11 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue May 6 17:12:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FW: Digital Numbering Advice Needed In-Reply-To: <01b901c8afba$2307f100$f901a8c0@MitchDell> References: <482071D1.21500.6620E77D@slb.inkspot.net>, <01b901c8afba$2307f100$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Message-ID: <4820916B.17370.669C56FD@slb.inkspot.net> If you tell Fusion Pro to make a pdf, that's what it does--all of the static information is repeated on every page. If, on the other hand, you tell it to make a multi-file vps file (variable postscript), you get at least two files, separating the static and variable information. The vps can be a lot more efficient, but it's much easier to reprint one page from a pdf. (Fusion Pro can do other formats, but Creo rips like vps files.) HTH, Steve > > We have/had an old version of Planet Press on a Windows 2000 server. Long > story short, we had a power issue with the electricity coming into our > building and we had a couple of pieces of equipment die on us, one being the > Windows 2000 server box. > > My question is, does Fusion Pro create a PDF that you then send to your > printer, or does it merge the data at the printer? > > The thing that we've liked about Planet Press is that once you have the form > all set up, all you have to do is drop numbering data files into a hot > folder, and it sent the data to the printer and merged it there. You don't > have to keep re-ripping common data. It is very fast, but the older version > of planet press is a PITA to program and updating it is very expensive. > > We have the desktop version of XMPie, but to do the merge at that RIP, you > need to upgrade to the server addition, and now you're talking big bucks > again. > > TIA > > Mitch Eaton > The Printing Station > 1420 Locust Street > Des Moines, IA 50309 > 515-243-8144 > 866-866-7414 > Fax 515-243-6540 > mitch.eaton@printingstation.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:57 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] FW: Digital Numbering Advice Needed > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I didn't mention it in my first email, but we initially purchased > Fusion Pro for one very large numbering job (knowing that we also > wanted variable-data software). That job alone justified the > purchase, and it enabled us to get into variable data in a more > serious way than formerly. > > YMMV, > Steve > > > > > > > We've been using the program Auto-Number for years to do our forms > numbering > > - but it's on a Mac OS 9.x which we're retiring. How do you all do simple > > numbering (raffle tickets, etc.) on your copiers? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > Tom King > > King Printing > > 1305 W. College Ave. > > State College, PA 16801 > > Phone: 814-238-2536 > > Fax: 814-237-5238 > > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 3079 (20080506) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3080 (20080506) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Tue May 6 17:50:47 2008 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Tue May 6 17:48:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Direct mail success...or not Message-ID: Over the last year, our direct mail postcards, often personalized, have generated anywhere from 0% to .2%. Yes, that's .2, not 2. It used to be closer to .5%, which was a still pretty good ROI for us. But zero is not such a good ROI. Now I know how much harder it is for a postcard to trigger a phone call with all the clutter in the mailbox. (The call to action is usually requesting a phone call to learn more about a particular service such as mailing, color printing, etc.) But I'm just curious what others may experience with a response rate when using direct mail to promote your particular company's services. I should add we'll be using PURLs very soon to see if we can improve our response rate. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying From sos at olympus.net Tue May 6 19:14:06 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue May 6 19:14:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Direct mail success...or not References: Message-ID: <060201c8afce$e1bfdb30$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernard Bahn" > Over the last year, our direct mail postcards, often personalized, have > generated anywhere from 0% to .2%. Yes, that's .2, not 2. It used to be > closer to .5%, which was a still pretty good ROI for us. But zero is not > such a good ROI. =========================== I just dropped our newsletter in the mail yesterday. Today I get a call asking to take someone who has been out of business for 10 years off our list. Yahoo, a response. That's more than we usually get. An occasional comment. On the other hand we have grown and grown. Not tripled in size yet, but another year or two. I'm convinced it works, but not in any real obvious way. We don't, by the way, make any special offers in our newsletter. In years past I did, via coupons for various things and yes we did get a few coupons back. But now it is just informational and always done in full color to show off our printing capabilities. I feel it is important to promote consistently. To promote in different ways. To just keep hammering away on those darned customers until they break. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From mitch at mitchevansconsulting.com Tue May 6 21:50:45 2008 From: mitch at mitchevansconsulting.com (Mitch Evans) Date: Tue May 6 21:50:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Direct mail success...or not In-Reply-To: <060201c8afce$e1bfdb30$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <002701c8afe4$c42d0c30$6501a8c0@Y765TJ> Dan -- you make great points -- whether you send postcards, newsletters, have spots on the radio/TV or email blasts -- you are marketing your brand and the hope is that when a prospect or past customer has a need, your company is the first one they call to do their work or solve their printing problem. Marketing = Branding Consistent contacts with your prospects and customers work -- its hard to measure directly except as Dan mentioned, sales increases happen for a reason. Mitch Mitch Evans Mitch Evans Consulting & The Next Level Group 168 E. Inlet Drive Palm Beach, FL 33480 561-351-6950 phone 561-845-7525 fax www.mitchevansconsulting.com www.the-nextlevelgroup.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:14 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Direct mail success...or not ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernard Bahn" > Over the last year, our direct mail postcards, often personalized, have > generated anywhere from 0% to .2%. Yes, that's .2, not 2. It used to be > closer to .5%, which was a still pretty good ROI for us. But zero is not > such a good ROI. =========================== I just dropped our newsletter in the mail yesterday. Today I get a call asking to take someone who has been out of business for 10 years off our list. Yahoo, a response. That's more than we usually get. An occasional comment. On the other hand we have grown and grown. Not tripled in size yet, but another year or two. I'm convinced it works, but not in any real obvious way. We don't, by the way, make any special offers in our newsletter. In years past I did, via coupons for various things and yes we did get a few coupons back. But now it is just informational and always done in full color to show off our printing capabilities. I feel it is important to promote consistently. To promote in different ways. To just keep hammering away on those darned customers until they break. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From k_graham at hotmail.com Wed May 7 00:10:07 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Wed May 7 00:10:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hydrogen Boosters for you car References: <0AAC09F040524E0A98540EB2CFF1971C@ebilliotPC> <200805061539.m46Fd9eq043531@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: > The thermodynamics of Hydrogen do not work. > > The energy required to create Hydrogen from the electrolysis of water is > too great to be feasable as an energy source. > > Before you get to hyped up on Hydrogen and get scammed into spending money > on anything, take a read: http://tinyurl.com/4sc4lb > Good article Scott; On the other hand it does not take into account the possibility water vapour or atomized water might improve mileage, especially in high temperature situations. Google water injection and one sees its been used in racing turbo applications to allow more power. The problem is its hard to apply as an across the board solution given freezing conditions and the corrosive effects of water. The best method of introduction seems to be by highly atomized droplets that will provide a cooling effect to the air fuel mixture and likely also helps during the conversion to steam. My guess is the one most likely to benefit would be someone with a older or high compression car that might be suffering from carbon deposits causing pre-ignition. One of my customers claims to buy all sorts of money back guarantee items then sic the credit card company on them when they don't work, not that I am that brave. If I was to try it I think I would buy at the beginning of the month and refuse payment of the item on credit card statement assuming it did not perform as promised. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 From k_graham at hotmail.com Wed May 7 01:27:46 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Wed May 7 01:28:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DeCurler for Copier - alternative - decent card References: <481F77B9.2090706@fmtc.com> <200805060414.m464EhU9061470@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: > > 110# Classic Crest. > > Nice and thick and runs without a hitch (for us). > > S. Only in 8.5x11 cut sheet size and full size 26x40 if I recall. Gould paper is sending me some 100# Mohawk cover to try. Available 11x17 and 12x18 in pre-cut. And I think I would prefer a stock thats more affordable for the 8.5x11 and 11x17 cut sizes. If that doesn't work out then I guess I will be trying the Classic Crest Cover. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 From david at commercialpressink.com Wed May 7 08:26:51 2008 From: david at commercialpressink.com (David Charleson) Date: Wed May 7 08:22:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Numbering Message-ID: <4821A00B.4060303@commercialpressink.com> I found a shareware program for Mac OS X, called Easy Numbering. Works great,easy to use.use it to # forms and raffle tickets. no problems to date, been using it for over a year now. David Charleson Commercial Press Inc. 216 Cowan Rd Canton NY 13617 P 315.386.3431 david@commercialpressink.com www.commercialpressink.com From cpc at clearnet.net Wed May 7 08:58:42 2008 From: cpc at clearnet.net (Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc.) Date: Wed May 7 08:58:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FW: Digital Numbering Advice Needed In-Reply-To: <01b901c8afba$2307f100$f901a8c0@MitchDell> References: <01b901c8afba$2307f100$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Message-ID: <4821A782.3000708@clearnet.net> Hey Mitch, Printables just announced the availability of a free library of FusionPro Desktop training videos. I scanned down thru them and there is one on coposing options for the output file. (pdf, vps, etc.) They can be found here: http://www.printable.com/self-guided-tutorials You may find the answer for your particular workflow/rip there. Hope this helps. Randy Hurley Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 17 South Third Street P.O. Box 23 Clearfield, PA 16830 814-765-4731 Fax: 814-765-1380 cpc@clearnet.net Mitch Eaton wrote: >My question is, does Fusion Pro create a PDF that you then send to your >printer, or does it merge the data at the printer? > >TIA > >Mitch Eaton >The Printing Station >1420 Locust Street >Des Moines, IA 50309 >515-243-8144 >866-866-7414 >Fax 515-243-6540 >mitch.eaton@printingstation.com > > From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed May 7 09:22:57 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed May 7 09:23:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DeCurler for Copier - alternative - decent card In-Reply-To: References: <481F77B9.2090706@fmtc.com> <200805060414.m464EhU9061470@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <200805071323.m47DMupL046562@i2bnetworks.com> Mohawk 100#C runs well too. But we'll run 110 CC for those wanting a little thicker and most clients like the 110. We do run 8.5x11 for ultra short runs (<250 sheets) or cut 23x35 down to 11x17 for any substantial longer run. But, the digital business card is still a very limited business for us, 98% of our business card business still consists of offset imprinting on offset shells because on the nature of the client mix. The dehumidifier Cora was referring to on the KM machines only engages when you set the machine to run coated stock. That does help with image integrity, especially on gradients and solids on coated, but we've not seen it contribute to any prevention of curling. The paper path on the 6500 is a rather straight one, so that may prevent curling that may be more prevalent in other machines with a more convoluted path. Oh well..probably more then you wanted to know... I think you'll like the Mohawk 100C. S. At 10:27 PM 5/6/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> >>110# Classic Crest. >> >>Nice and thick and runs without a hitch (for us). >> >>S. > >Only in 8.5x11 cut sheet size and full size >26x40 if I recall. > >Gould paper is sending me some 100# Mohawk cover to try. Available >11x17 and 12x18 in pre-cut. > >And I think I would prefer a stock thats more affordable for the >8.5x11 and 11x17 cut sizes. If that doesn't work out then I guess I >will be trying the Classic Crest Cover. > >Ken Graham >CommunityPrinters.com >250-782-7108 >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3082 (20080507) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From kellycrom at gmail.com Wed May 7 09:28:58 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Wed May 7 09:29:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DeCurler for Copier - alternative - decent card In-Reply-To: References: <481F77B9.2090706@fmtc.com><200805060414.m464EhU9061470@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <02b001c8b046$4f1d03c0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Xerox has a #110 Elite Silk cover that runs very well for us. It has a nice uncoated feel, and customers like it because it just "feels" more rigid than some other stocks. Even though it is a coated sheet, we have found that it only runs well if we tell the machine it is an uncoated paper. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > k_graham@hotmail.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 12:28 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] DeCurler for Copier - alternative > - decent card > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > 110# Classic Crest. > > > > Nice and thick and runs without a hitch (for us). > > > > S. > > Only in 8.5x11 cut sheet size and full size > 26x40 if I recall. > > Gould paper is sending me some 100# Mohawk cover to try. > Available 11x17 and > 12x18 in pre-cut. > > And I think I would prefer a stock thats more affordable for > the 8.5x11 and > 11x17 cut sizes. If that doesn't work out then I guess I will > be trying the > Classic Crest Cover. > > Ken Graham > CommunityPrinters.com > 250-782-7108 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Wed May 7 09:42:30 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Wed May 7 09:43:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing from U.S. to Canada In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01a801c8b048$331335d0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Ron I'm in Toronto. I speak Canadian although with a slight accent. Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:28 AM To: printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing from U.S. to Canada ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Has anyone on this list ever used a Canadian printer to mail into Canada? Anyone on this list speak Canadian? :) Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Wed May 7 10:10:16 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Wed May 7 10:10:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Direct mail success...or not In-Reply-To: <20080507125843.0CB32F166D8@rb.enter.net> References: <20080507125843.0CB32F166D8@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <00bf01c8b04c$136e06c0$3a4a1440$@com> Branding is what your doing it is expensive and not a sales tool. Printing is a hard to sell by mail. Unless you offer a product like full color cards $49 you never will see a high response. Try something like invitations to seminar or a open house and you will see response. Better yet do targeted letters, even better pick up the phone and make sales calls just get off your butt and get in front of them. We only do a few mailers now a year. I have given up on spending time and money on pure branding. All mailers we now do are announcing something new or an invite to try something. I do not look at them to generate direct sale. Last year Kathy started entering in ACT! Reorder dates on every account or follow up. Sales are up 30% this year 1st 1/4. She can now pick up the phone and get 2-3 orders any day. This takes months; you will not see much for 6 month or more. You're priming your pipeline, when you get it place it is amazing. Problem is I bet not 10% of us here have the fortitude to spend a year doing this. You need to spend both time and money. 1. Buy act! or goldmine to track your prospects and steps you take for each. $100-$300 (Printsmith can minimally do this, but does not tract the other information act does.) 2. Get Wendy Weiss by book or coaching $50-$500. 3. Get some letter or sales tools via Feldman or others $250+ Do it every day for 6 months and you will see growth! 4. Remember newsletters and postcards brand you, they are not selling. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.9/1418 - Release Date: 5/6/2008 5:17 PM From greg at pressexpress.org Wed May 7 10:51:03 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed May 7 10:51:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FW: Digital Numbering Advice Needed In-Reply-To: <000001c8afa8$d1a11320$74e33960$@com> References: <000001c8afa8$d1a11320$74e33960$@com> Message-ID: <78598670-6DFA-41F8-82C5-72D0F02FB60F@pressexpress.org> We use File Maker Pro Greg On May 6, 2008, at 1:41 PM, Tom King wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We've been using the program Auto-Number for years to do our forms > numbering > - but it's on a Mac OS 9.x which we're retiring. How do you all do > simple > numbering (raffle tickets, etc.) on your copiers? > > > > Thanks in advance! > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed May 7 10:58:10 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed May 7 10:58:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Direct mail success...or not In-Reply-To: <00bf01c8b04c$136e06c0$3a4a1440$@com> References: <20080507125843.0CB32F166D8@rb.enter.net> <00bf01c8b04c$136e06c0$3a4a1440$@com> Message-ID: <200805071458.m47Ew9YS062031@i2bnetworks.com> I'd just like to contribute here that John and Kathy have done an excellent job of going back to the fundamentals and applying them consistently and with purpose. Sales will never grow dramatically with passive events like direct mail, (w or w/o PURLS), they only pave the way to grow dramatically though activity that is active: Outside sales efforts, telemarketing, sales letters with telephone follow up, actively looking for referrals from those who are pleased with your performance. Its not rocket science and never will be. That being said, new methods are available today that can multiply your efficiency and compress your time that weren't available 10 years ago to help this process. People will always buy from people they like. If they like the owner, you make a lot more money...$$$ S. At 07:10 AM 5/7/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Branding is what your doing it is expensive and not a sales tool. Printing >is a hard to sell by mail. Unless you offer a product like full color cards >$49 you never will see a high response. > >Try something like invitations to seminar or a open house and you will see >response. > >Better yet do targeted letters, even better pick up the phone and make sales >calls just get off your butt and get in front of them. We only do a few >mailers now a year. I have given up on spending time and money on pure >branding. All mailers we now do are announcing something new or an invite to >try something. I do not look at them to generate direct sale. > >Last year Kathy started entering in ACT! Reorder dates on every account or >follow up. Sales are up 30% this year 1st 1/4. > >She can now pick up the phone and get 2-3 orders any day. This takes months; >you will not see much for 6 month or more. You're priming your pipeline, >when you get it place it is amazing. Problem is I bet not 10% of us here >have the fortitude to spend a year doing this. > >You need to spend both time and money. > >1. Buy act! or goldmine to track your prospects and steps you take for each. >$100-$300 (Printsmith can minimally do this, but does not tract the other >information act does.) >2. Get Wendy Weiss by book or coaching $50-$500. >3. Get some letter or sales tools via Feldman or others $250+ > >Do it every day for 6 months and you will see growth! > >4. Remember newsletters and postcards brand you, they are not selling. > >John M. Henry >Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company >125-129 East First Street >Oswego, New York 13126 >(315) 343-3531 >(315) 343-3577 Fax >www.mpcny.com >John@mpcny.com > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.9/1418 - Release Date: 5/6/2008 >5:17 PM > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3082 (20080507) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From slb at inkspot.net Wed May 7 11:14:38 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed May 7 11:15:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need advice -- RTI rip In-Reply-To: <4821A00B.4060303@commercialpressink.com> References: <4821A00B.4060303@commercialpressink.com> Message-ID: <48218F1E.979.6A7B5B88@slb.inkspot.net> We have an RTI Harlequin rip driving our imagesetter, and I'm having calibration issues. Specifically, I'm trying both to get the blacks to print without halftone dots in them, and to get the darker portion of a graduated blend to print as other than a solid. If anyone has an RTI rip-kit setup, and is willing to talk, I could really use some help. It's not often that digital devices get the better of me, but..... TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From kellycrom at gmail.com Wed May 7 11:59:06 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Wed May 7 11:59:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need advice -- RTI rip In-Reply-To: <48218F1E.979.6A7B5B88@slb.inkspot.net> References: <4821A00B.4060303@commercialpressink.com> <48218F1E.979.6A7B5B88@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <02f601c8b05b$4868a830$6d01a8c0@KELLY> I found these instructions on the www.rti-rips.com website: http://www.rti-rips.com/LinkedDocuments/Version7Instructions/Calibrating%20a n%20Imagesetter.pdf Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 10:15 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Need advice -- RTI rip > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have an RTI Harlequin rip driving our imagesetter, and I'm having > calibration issues. Specifically, I'm trying both to get the blacks > to print without halftone dots in them, and to get the darker portion > of a graduated blend to print as other than a solid. > > If anyone has an RTI rip-kit setup, and is willing to talk, I could > really use some help. It's not often that digital devices get the > better of me, but..... > > TIA, > Steve > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cpurvine1 at cox.net Wed May 7 12:03:40 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Wed May 7 12:03:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: YORKIE FOR ADOPTION. Message-ID: <20080507160329.PDZP15722.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> I just got this. Wonder how much the freight will be for this puppy We have registered Shih Tzu's. Wonder if this is where they got our name? Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: Rev Mattew [mailto:office@church.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 6:44 AM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: YORKIE FOR ADOPTION. YORKIE FOR ADOPTION. MY NAME IS REV MATTEW, I AND MY WIFE ARE ON A CHRISTIAN MISSION TO AFRICA AND I CAME ALONG WITH MY FEMALE YORKIE PUPPY. AFTER A WHILE I NOTICE THAT THE AFRICAN WEATHER IS NOT GOOD FOR THE PUPPY AND I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO TAKE GOOD CARE OFHER THE WAY I ALWAYS DO BECAUSE OF MY JOB.SHE IS TEACUP, HOME RAISED.I NEED A SOMEONE TO ADOPT HER AND TAKE CARE OF HER THE WAY I ALWAYS DO.IF YOU CAN TAKE GOOD CARE OF HER DO SEND A REPLY AND I WILL EMAIL YOU HER PICTURES.I HOPE TO READ FROM YOU. REGARDS Nb:pls reply to rv.mattew@gmail.com From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Wed May 7 12:48:27 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Wed May 7 12:48:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hydrogen Boosters for you car In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It does work. It was not on myth busters. I have a client here to does it as well. He says some people do see 50%, but promises people 10% - 30%. I'm not doing it on my car because its still under warranty, but may try it on the shop van. If I do I'll let you know my results. Regards, Borzou www.falconprintandcopy.com t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 > From: "Charles A. Lincoln" > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 08:18:34 -0800 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: [PrintOwners] Hydrogen Boosters for you car > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Has anyone researched these hydrogen conversions for their vehicles? > Claims of doubling mileage etc. If anyone is in Van Nuys California, > they demo them every Saturday, check it out and report back. Thanks... > (sounds too good to be true) > > http://www.water4gas.com/2books.htm > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From dennisdater at sbcglobal.net Wed May 7 13:16:25 2008 From: dennisdater at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Dater) Date: Wed May 7 13:16:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: YORKIE FOR ADOPTION. In-Reply-To: <20080507160329.PDZP15722.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <20080507171637.51E75F17077@rb.enter.net> It's a scam. You send money for shipping the dog - but no dog. Dennis Dater -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 9:04 AM To: printowners@printweb.org; PrintOwnersNG Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: YORKIE FOR ADOPTION. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I just got this. Wonder how much the freight will be for this puppy We have registered Shih Tzu's. Wonder if this is where they got our name? Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: Rev Mattew [mailto:office@church.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 6:44 AM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: YORKIE FOR ADOPTION. YORKIE FOR ADOPTION. MY NAME IS REV MATTEW, I AND MY WIFE ARE ON A CHRISTIAN MISSION TO AFRICA AND I CAME ALONG WITH MY FEMALE YORKIE PUPPY. AFTER A WHILE I NOTICE THAT THE AFRICAN WEATHER IS NOT GOOD FOR THE PUPPY AND I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO TAKE GOOD CARE OFHER THE WAY I ALWAYS DO BECAUSE OF MY JOB.SHE IS TEACUP, HOME RAISED.I NEED A SOMEONE TO ADOPT HER AND TAKE CARE OF HER THE WAY I ALWAYS DO.IF YOU CAN TAKE GOOD CARE OF HER DO SEND A REPLY AND I WILL EMAIL YOU HER PICTURES.I HOPE TO READ FROM YOU. REGARDS Nb:pls reply to rv.mattew@gmail.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.9/1417 - Release Date: 5/6/2008 8:07 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.9/1420 - Release Date: 5/7/2008 2:12 PM From cpurvine1 at cox.net Wed May 7 13:18:43 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Wed May 7 13:18:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: YORKIE FOR ADOPTION. In-Reply-To: <20080507171637.51E75F17077@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <20080507171832.QNXI5070.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Yes, I figured it was a scam too, but thought I would send it along for a good laugh about the new direction they are going to get their shipping costs Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From greg at pressexpress.org Wed May 7 13:40:35 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed May 7 13:40:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: YORKIE FOR ADOPTION. In-Reply-To: <20080507160329.PDZP15722.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20080507160329.PDZP15722.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <02412D77-2A2F-44CE-BA4F-AC4E26A6118A@pressexpress.org> Well, the "cat" is out of the bag with the printing and shipping scam. They will try anything. greg On May 7, 2008, at 11:03 AM, Cora wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I just got this. Wonder how much the freight will be for this > puppy We > have registered Shih Tzu's. Wonder if this is where they got our name? > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora and Bernie Purvine > 5801 W. Juno Street > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > cpurvine1@cox.net > Microsoft Service Provider > Member NAQP > -----Original Message----- > From: Rev Mattew [mailto:office@church.org] > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 6:44 AM > To: undisclosed-recipients: > Subject: YORKIE FOR ADOPTION. > > YORKIE FOR ADOPTION. > MY NAME IS REV MATTEW, I AND MY WIFE ARE ON A CHRISTIAN MISSION TO > AFRICA > AND I CAME ALONG WITH MY FEMALE YORKIE PUPPY. AFTER A WHILE I NOTICE > THAT > THE AFRICAN WEATHER IS NOT GOOD FOR THE PUPPY AND I HAVE NOT BEEN > ABLE TO > TAKE GOOD CARE OFHER THE WAY I ALWAYS DO BECAUSE OF MY JOB.SHE IS > TEACUP, > HOME RAISED.I NEED A SOMEONE TO ADOPT HER AND TAKE CARE OF HER THE > WAY I > ALWAYS DO.IF YOU CAN TAKE GOOD CARE OF HER DO SEND A REPLY AND I WILL > EMAIL YOU HER PICTURES.I HOPE TO READ FROM YOU. REGARDS > Nb:pls reply to rv.mattew@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Wed May 7 13:51:40 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (borzou@falconprintandcopy.com) Date: Wed May 7 13:51:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: YORKIE FOR ADOPTION. In-Reply-To: <02412D77-2A2F-44CE-BA4F-AC4E26A6118A@pressexpress.org> References: <20080507160329.PDZP15722.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net><02412D77-2A2F-44CE-BA4F-AC4E26A6118A@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: <1557810116-1210182690-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1893203549-@bxe124.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> DN Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Greg Weinfurter Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 12:40:35 To:Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] OFF: YORKIE FOR ADOPTION. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Well, the "cat" is out of the bag with the printing and shipping scam. They will try anything. greg On May 7, 2008, at 11:03 AM, Cora wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I just got this. Wonder how much the freight will be for this > puppy We > have registered Shih Tzu's. Wonder if this is where they got our name? > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora and Bernie Purvine > 5801 W. Juno Street > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > cpurvine1@cox.net > Microsoft Service Provider > Member NAQP > -----Original Message----- > From: Rev Mattew [mailto:office@church.org] > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 6:44 AM > To: undisclosed-recipients: > Subject: YORKIE FOR ADOPTION. > > YORKIE FOR ADOPTION. > MY NAME IS REV MATTEW, I AND MY WIFE ARE ON A CHRISTIAN MISSION TO > AFRICA > AND I CAME ALONG WITH MY FEMALE YORKIE PUPPY. AFTER A WHILE I NOTICE > THAT > THE AFRICAN WEATHER IS NOT GOOD FOR THE PUPPY AND I HAVE NOT BEEN > ABLE TO > TAKE GOOD CARE OFHER THE WAY I ALWAYS DO BECAUSE OF MY JOB.SHE IS > TEACUP, > HOME RAISED.I NEED A SOMEONE TO ADOPT HER AND TAKE CARE OF HER THE > WAY I > ALWAYS DO.IF YOU CAN TAKE GOOD CARE OF HER DO SEND A REPLY AND I WILL > EMAIL YOU HER PICTURES.I HOPE TO READ FROM YOU. REGARDS > Nb:pls reply to rv.mattew@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From eugene at zapcolor.com Wed May 7 14:00:01 2008 From: eugene at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Wed May 7 14:00:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Direct mail success...or not..Now... .BRANDING In-Reply-To: <20080507125843.0CB32F166D8@rb.enter.net> References: <20080507125843.0CB32F166D8@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <21D251A8-4392-49D7-AADB-109E633AF41F@zapcolor.com> Although I usually agree and respect Mitch's points, I think the biggest mistake we can make for ourselves or our customers is to be like an Ad Agency and expect BRANDING to bring in sales. Although we do a newsletter with virtually NO call to action, it has different intent. We have started the MasterMind Software letter communication program, as have a couple on the list. It has VERY specific calls to action, after I modified the letters, and we have had TREMENDOUS results so far, and we have only been doing this for about 2 months. Our Dec. was our worse months in YEARS! Jan & Feb were a tad better, and April was the best in over a year. We did an extra newsletter, did some press releases, our annual calendar, and the new letter program. On foot, we hand delivered marketing packs of pads and literature door to door in our growing industrial areas. We also were very visible at all Chamber and City events. When someone would ask how business was, we would say good, but we are looking for new clients. Not whining, but asking for business and it has worked. We also finished the month with over $40,000 work in the shop. In addition, we cut one position and replaced a problematic "team" member who was not really with the team. I am very hopeful we have acted fast enough to make a difference, although the economy should be picking up soon, please act quickly, your business life could depend on it! On May 7, 2008, at 5:58 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > Dan -- you make great points -- whether you send postcards, > newsletters, > have spots on the radio/TV or email blasts -- you are marketing your > brand > and the hope is that when a prospect or past customer has a need, your > company is the first one they call to do their work or solve their > printing > problem. > > Marketing = Branding > > Consistent contacts with your prospects and customers work -- its > hard to > measure directly except as Dan mentioned, sales increases happen for a > reason. > > Mitch Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From ron at printingconcepts.com Wed May 7 14:38:55 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Wed May 7 14:39:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Peer Group needed in the Mid-Atlantic Region In-Reply-To: <481F827B.5060803@verizon.net> Message-ID: Charles: I am in a pretty good PEER group that is looking for members. We are all east of the Mississippi. Minimum sales requirement is $3MM. email me if you are interested. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Steve Fairchild Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 5:56 PM To: Printowners list Subject: [PrintOwners] Peer Group needed in the Mid-Atlantic Region ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am interested in becoming a part of a Peer Group that is looking for another member or forming a new group. If someone is interested please email me off list. States that could be included: Virginia, Kentucky, Ohio, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania. We are located in Central West Virginia and would like to work with members in these areas. Looking forward to healthy response soon so we can begin comparing results. -- Thanks, Charles S. Fairchild, President Nicholas Printing, Inc. 1109 Broad Street Summersville, WV 26651 1-304-872-5906 - Phone 1-304-872-5923 - Fax npiprinting@verizon.net www.nicholasprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From k_graham at hotmail.com Wed May 7 17:01:58 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Wed May 7 17:02:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hydrogen Boosters for you car References: Message-ID: > It does work. It was not on myth busters. I have a client here to does it > as > well. He says some people do see 50%, but promises people 10% - 30%. I'm > not doing it on my car because its still under warranty, but may try it on > the shop van. If I do I'll let you know my results. But is it really perhaps just the heat of the engine forcing water vapour over or is he atomizing water. Atomized Water converting to steam would increase volume several hundred times - a engine prone to knock would be most likely to benefit as is why its been used with racing turbo. I doubt electrolysis of water is occuring as the extra power to turn the alternator would result in a net loss. Ken Graham From slb at inkspot.net Wed May 7 19:30:58 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed May 7 19:31:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need advice -- RTI rip In-Reply-To: <02f601c8b05b$4868a830$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <4821A00B.4060303@commercialpressink.com>, <48218F1E.979.6A7B5B88@slb.inkspot.net>, <02f601c8b05b$4868a830$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <48220372.20943.6C41C3BE@slb.inkspot.net> Thanks, but the link appears to be broken. Anybody have a copy of the pdf, perchance? Steve > > I found these instructions on the www.rti-rips.com website: > http://www.rti-rips.com/LinkedDocuments/Version7Instructions/Calibrating%20a > n%20Imagesetter.pdf > > Kelly Crom > Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 > Plymouth, MN 55441 > (763)231-6970 > kellycrom@gmail.com > www.applied-graphics.com > > p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's > Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman > > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 10:15 AM > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: [PrintOwners] Need advice -- RTI rip > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > We have an RTI Harlequin rip driving our imagesetter, and I'm having > > calibration issues. Specifically, I'm trying both to get the blacks > > to print without halftone dots in them, and to get the darker portion > > of a graduated blend to print as other than a solid. > > > > If anyone has an RTI rip-kit setup, and is willing to talk, I could > > really use some help. It's not often that digital devices get the > > better of me, but..... > > > > TIA, > > Steve > > > > Steve Blatman > > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > > Tel: 610-647-0776 > > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3083 (20080507) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed May 7 20:07:30 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed May 7 20:07:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need advice -- RTI rip In-Reply-To: <48220372.20943.6C41C3BE@slb.inkspot.net> References: <4821A00B.4060303@commercialpressink.com> <48218F1E.979.6A7B5B88@slb.inkspot.net> <02f601c8b05b$4868a830$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <48220372.20943.6C41C3BE@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <200805080007.m4807UdD004831@i2bnetworks.com> The link is fine Steve, just needs some finessan'.... http://tinyurl.com/5es6cf S. At 04:30 PM 5/7/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Thanks, but the link appears to be broken. Anybody have a copy of the >pdf, perchance? > >Steve > > > > > I found these instructions on the www.rti-rips.com website: > > > http://www.rti-rips.com/LinkedDocuments/Version7Instructions/Calibrating%20a > > n%20Imagesetter.pdf > > > > Kelly Crom > > Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > > 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 > > Plymouth, MN 55441 > > (763)231-6970 > > kellycrom@gmail.com > > www.applied-graphics.com > > > > p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's > > Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 10:15 AM > > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > > Subject: [PrintOwners] Need advice -- RTI rip > > > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > We have an RTI Harlequin rip driving our imagesetter, and I'm having > > > calibration issues. Specifically, I'm trying both to get the blacks > > > to print without halftone dots in them, and to get the darker portion > > > of a graduated blend to print as other than a solid. > > > > > > If anyone has an RTI rip-kit setup, and is willing to talk, I could > > > really use some help. It's not often that digital devices get the > > > better of me, but..... > > > > > > TIA, > > > Steve > > > > > > Steve Blatman > > > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > > > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > > > Tel: 610-647-0776 > > > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 3083 (20080507) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > >Steve Blatman >Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >Tel: 610-647-0776 >Fax: 610-647-4560 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3083 (20080507) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From jeff at hprinting.biz Thu May 8 10:06:25 2008 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Thu May 8 10:06:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4over again Message-ID: <20080508140626.27431.12066@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Great news. I just had a call from a designer that uses 4over. He said exactly what I told him would happen did. They lost his order for postcards and when it was to late to get them and mail them for an event. When we realized it he called them and they said they would rush them through. He told them not to as it was to late. They went ahead and printed them and charged him even though he told them not to. The designer filed a dispute with the credit card company who told him to find a reputable printer. 4over said they printed the order and won't reprint with later dates no charge. He told me that he was warned, but didn't listen and is now paying for it. On another note, what does trade printer mean to you? I always thought it meant they print for the printing trade ? ie other printers. It seems 4over and many other take it to mean anyone who claims to resale the product no matter what their main business is. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From acepm2 at gmail.com Thu May 8 10:37:54 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Thu May 8 10:38:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4over again In-Reply-To: <20080508140626.27431.12066@hm-pop1.solinus.com> References: <20080508140626.27431.12066@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: .....and we all know that DFS would NEVER do this, right Jace??? :) :) :) Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Jeff Haines wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On another note, what does trade printer mean to you? I always thought it > meant they print for the printing trade ? ie other printers. It seems 4over > and many other take it to mean anyone who claims to resale the product no > matter what their main business is. > > > Jeff > > Haines Printing Co. > From acepm2 at gmail.com Thu May 8 11:02:43 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Thu May 8 11:02:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Snap Server for Sale Message-ID: Ok, For those of you who want to upgrade to server level, now is the time. I have the following item for sale: Model ... 4200 Software ... 4.4.049 SP3 Bios ... 3B02 This is a 640GB unit. 1U Rack mount system. Two (2) gig nic cards inside. I can get you all the technical info. you could possibly want. If you are interested, please contact me directly. This unit was put into use by me (new) August '07. I am in the process of upgrading my whole network to a SBS exchange server system....if anyone is interested, I can post that info. too! :) The system is in FANTASTIC shape and operating condition. I just did the final upgrad on the OS this morning. Rock steady unit for sure. Here is a link with some further info: http://www.promarktech.com/2005/new/adaptec/adaptec_snapserver_4200.pdf Thanks... please email me directly. Thom -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From sos at olympus.net Thu May 8 11:32:30 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu May 8 11:32:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4over again References: <20080508140626.27431.12066@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: <016601c8b120$ba90f0f0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> >what does trade printer mean to you? I always thought it meant they print for the printing trade - ie other printers. It seems 4over and many other take it to mean anyone who claims to resale the product no matter what their main business is. =================== Trade printer means whatever they decide it means. For most on-line printers it means, printers like us, in-plants, brokers, designers and anyone claiming to be a designer or broker. In most cases they have no idea who it is they are printing for, the orders just come in with a credit card number and they print and ship. The more we use these on-line printers, the more we feed the beast that is going to eat us. Or at least eat the segment of our business that has been most profitable. We printed two jobs yesterday for people who I know use the on-line folks. But they had to have them today, so they sent them to us. Yes, we can print quickly and deliver next day. But it's a hell of a way to run a business when everything has to be turned in a few hours. I'm getting tired of the hectic, chaotic pace. Everything a rush. People trying to do it all themselves, running out of time and dumping it on us. I'm feeling less and less like a partner with our clients and more like an emergency room. ER Printing. Yeah, that'd be a good name. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Thu May 8 11:32:50 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Thu May 8 11:33:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hydrogen Boosters for you car In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is my client's website: http://hhofromwater.com/ If you click on the research tab, he has links to get more info on it. Whatever this technology is, its certainly not a secret. Regards, Borzou www.falconprintandcopy.com t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 > From: > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 14:01:58 -0700 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Hydrogen Boosters for you car > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> It does work. It was not on myth busters. I have a client here to does it >> as >> well. He says some people do see 50%, but promises people 10% - 30%. I'm >> not doing it on my car because its still under warranty, but may try it on >> the shop van. If I do I'll let you know my results. > > But is it really perhaps just the heat of the engine forcing water vapour > over or is he atomizing water. > > Atomized Water converting to steam would increase volume several hundred > times - a engine prone to knock would be most likely to benefit as is why > its been used with racing turbo. > > I doubt electrolysis of water is occuring as the extra power to turn the > alternator would result in a net loss. > > Ken Graham > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From printer at ptialaska.net Thu May 8 11:39:34 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Thu May 8 11:39:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4over again In-Reply-To: <016601c8b120$ba90f0f0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <20080508140626.27431.12066@hm-pop1.solinus.com> <016601c8b120$ba90f0f0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <3242B275-B3F1-4EFA-A6E7-557B896504AB@ptialaska.net> On May 8, 2008, at 7:32 AM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > I'm getting tired of the hectic, chaotic pace. Everything a rush. > People trying to do it all themselves, running out of time and > dumping it on us. I'm feeling less and less like a partner with our > clients and more like an emergency room. ER Printing. Yeah, that'd > be a good name. REPLY: Now that my friend is the nature of this business, always was, always will be. It is not for the faint hearted otherwise you will get an ulser every time the phone rings. We once had a customer who seemed to only bring us rush jobs. When I asked them why they told me that they thought that was all we did, they were taking there normal stuff elsewhere. AAARRGGHH! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From john at duplicatesink.com Thu May 8 13:03:42 2008 From: john at duplicatesink.com (John Cassidy) Date: Thu May 8 13:04:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners]Tracde Printers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080508170427.6BEF644C074@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> We have experienced it with GROWLL We do work for a customer and used GROWLL to Print it. Recently lost a few bids to a competitor when I asked who the competitor was it was INDEXX which happens to be GROWLL's retail division under the same *&%^$#@! Roof. Guess who lost my $160,000 of brokered out business. Warmest Regards, John Cassidy www.duplicatesink.com Print & Communications If you always do what you have always done, you will ALWAYS get what you have ALWAYS got! Try some new creative marketing ideas. Give us a call to discuss your next direct mail marketing project. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Thom Gulyas Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 10:38 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 4over again ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** .....and we all know that DFS would NEVER do this, right Jace??? :) :) :) Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Jeff Haines wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On another note, what does trade printer mean to you? I always thought > it meant they print for the printing trade - ie other printers. It > seems 4over and many other take it to mean anyone who claims to resale > the product no matter what their main business is. > > > Jeff > > Haines Printing Co. > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jeff at hprinting.biz Thu May 8 13:12:04 2008 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Thu May 8 13:12:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners]Tracde Printers In-Reply-To: <20080508170427.6BEF644C074@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20080508170427.6BEF644C074@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <20080508171205.21094.12971@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 01:03 PM 5/8/2008, you wrote: >We have experienced it with GROWLL >We do work for a customer and used GROWLL to Print it. Recently lost a few >bids to a competitor when I asked who the competitor was it was INDEXX >which happens to be GROWLL's retail division under the same *&%^$#@! Roof. >Guess who lost my $160,000 of brokered out business. That is the problem with all these so called trade printers advertising in the magazines. How do you know they are trade only and don't have a retail company by another name owned by the same people? Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu May 8 13:30:37 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu May 8 13:30:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners]Trade Printers In-Reply-To: <20080508171205.21094.12971@hm-pop1.solinus.com> References: <20080508170427.6BEF644C074@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <20080508171205.21094.12971@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: <200805081730.m48HUc17050166@i2bnetworks.com> For CMYK work that is beyond our capabilities (28" format and anything needing aqueous), I work with a local trade printer (who really is a trade printer, only works with other printers and brokers) I buy the paper and drop ship, I press check everything and then handle everything post press (bindery, finishing. foil/emboss etc.) I have control over the color and I have control over the process. For those fortunate to be in markets where these opportunities present themselves, I would encourage you to develop this model in conjunction with your own internal capabilities I have never had any respect for 4Over, I can't stand their marketing practices, and nothing I have ever heard about them, or VistaPrint or PrintingForLess or any of the others causes me any concern. I would kindly suggest we all get out of the bidding business, and into the selling business..... S. At 10:12 AM 5/8/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >At 01:03 PM 5/8/2008, you wrote: >>We have experienced it with GROWLL >>We do work for a customer and used GROWLL to Print it. Recently lost a few >>bids to a competitor when I asked who the competitor was it was INDEXX >>which happens to be GROWLL's retail division under the same *&%^$#@! Roof. >>Guess who lost my $160,000 of brokered out business. > > >That is the problem with all these so called >trade printers advertising in the magazines. How >do you know they are trade only and don't have a >retail company by another name owned by the same people? > >Jeff > >Haines Printing Co. >10575 W. Main Rd. >North East, PA 16428 >(814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 >email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3086 (20080508) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Thu May 8 13:44:54 2008 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King) Date: Thu May 8 13:45:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners]Trade Printers In-Reply-To: <200805081730.m48HUc17050166@i2bnetworks.com> References: <20080508170427.6BEF644C074@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <20080508171205.21094.12971@hm-pop1.solinus.com> <200805081730.m48HUc17050166@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <000f01c8b133$3948cd20$abda6760$@com> May I turn the discussion around? After all the complaining about bad trade printers, can anyone suggest a few good trade printers? I'm in a relatively rural location, and there just aren't any trade printers nearby. I'd love suggestions on where I can send the stuff I can't do (mid-Atlantic states, preferably, to keep shipping costs down). Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From mfoster at chilitech.net Thu May 8 13:56:25 2008 From: mfoster at chilitech.net (Michael Foster) Date: Thu May 8 13:56:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners]Trade Printers In-Reply-To: <000f01c8b133$3948cd20$abda6760$@com> Message-ID: I use Mercersburg Printing all the time...down to earth, great people to work with, and list members. -- Michael Foster The Print Shoppe 421 Washington Blvd. Williamsport, PA 17701 570-327-9005 Fax 570-327-9149 www.theprintshoppe.com mfoster@chilitech.net > From: Tom King > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 13:44:54 -0400 > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners]Trade Printers > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > May I turn the discussion around? After all the complaining about bad trade > printers, can anyone suggest a few good trade printers? I'm in a relatively > rural location, and there just aren't any trade printers nearby. > I'd love suggestions on where I can send the stuff I can't do (mid-Atlantic > states, preferably, to keep shipping costs down). > > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Thu May 8 14:03:33 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Thu May 8 14:03:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners]Trade Printers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48234075.40905@sugarloafprint.com> I use them too, good people to work with Michael Foster wrote: > I use Mercersburg Printing all the time...down to earth, great people to > work with, and list members. > > -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From jodib at blackfoot.net Thu May 8 14:26:23 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Thu May 8 14:26:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners]Trade Printers References: <48234075.40905@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: <012901c8b139$05158dd0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Could you (or Mercersburg Printing) when they read this, contact me. I'd be very interested in talking with them. thanks Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Sardo" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners]Trade Printers > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I use them too, good people to work with > > Michael Foster wrote: >> I use Mercersburg Printing all the time...down to earth, great people to >> work with, and list members. >> >> > > > -- > Ron Sardo > Sugarloaf Print Shop > mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com > www.sugarloafprint.com > 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From clc at crownmax.com Thu May 8 14:30:41 2008 From: clc at crownmax.com (Charlie Counts) Date: Thu May 8 14:30:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners]Trade Printers In-Reply-To: <48234075.40905@sugarloafprint.com> References: <48234075.40905@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: <001501c8b139$9fa349f0$7201a8c0@Crown.local> Are they set up to do trade work or it works because you are close by. Do they have a niche or commercial everything? Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road P. O. Box 234 Dunbar, WV 25064 1-800-252-4011 Fax 304-744-8652 www.crownmax.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Sardo Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:04 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners]Trade Printers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I use them too, good people to work with Michael Foster wrote: > I use Mercersburg Printing all the time...down to earth, great people > to work with, and list members. > > -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 . Fax: 570-788-6077 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpc at clearnet.net Thu May 8 14:38:05 2008 From: cpc at clearnet.net (Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc.) Date: Thu May 8 14:38:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners]Trade Printers In-Reply-To: <000f01c8b133$3948cd20$abda6760$@com> References: <20080508170427.6BEF644C074@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <20080508171205.21094.12971@hm-pop1.solinus.com> <200805081730.m48HUc17050166@i2bnetworks.com> <000f01c8b133$3948cd20$abda6760$@com> Message-ID: <4823488D.9090008@clearnet.net> Hey Tom, I have also used Mercersburg Printing with good success. They are close, one day UPS and they are PrintOwner listmembers. Randy Hurley Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 17 South Third Street P.O. Box 23 Clearfield, PA 16830 814-765-4731 Fax: 814-765-1380 cpc@clearnet.net Tom King wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >May I turn the discussion around? After all the complaining about bad trade >printers, can anyone suggest a few good trade printers? I'm in a relatively >rural location, and there just aren't any trade printers nearby. >I'd love suggestions on where I can send the stuff I can't do (mid-Atlantic >states, preferably, to keep shipping costs down). > > >Tom King >King Printing >1305 W. College Ave. >State College, PA 16801 >Phone: 814-238-2536 >Fax: 814-237-5238 >Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > From clc at crownmax.com Thu May 8 14:30:41 2008 From: clc at crownmax.com (Charlie Counts) Date: Thu May 8 14:50:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4over again In-Reply-To: <016601c8b120$ba90f0f0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <20080508140626.27431.12066@hm-pop1.solinus.com> <016601c8b120$ba90f0f0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <001401c8b139$9f5bb9a0$7201a8c0@Crown.local> That could be a highly priced niche in your area, double your prices retain half of your customers and promote only Emergency Printing! You would be doing half the work so you could have plenty of time and less stress Just a thought. Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road P. O. Box 234 Dunbar, WV 25064 1-800-252-4011 Fax 304-744-8652 www.crownmax.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:33 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 4over again ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >what does trade printer mean to you? I always thought it meant they print for the printing trade - ie other printers. It seems 4over and many other take it to mean anyone who claims to resale the product no matter what their main business is. =================== Trade printer means whatever they decide it means. For most on-line printers it means, printers like us, in-plants, brokers, designers and anyone claiming to be a designer or broker. In most cases they have no idea who it is they are printing for, the orders just come in with a credit card number and they print and ship. The more we use these on-line printers, the more we feed the beast that is going to eat us. Or at least eat the segment of our business that has been most profitable. We printed two jobs yesterday for people who I know use the on-line folks. But they had to have them today, so they sent them to us. Yes, we can print quickly and deliver next day. But it's a hell of a way to run a business when everything has to be turned in a few hours. I'm getting tired of the hectic, chaotic pace. Everything a rush. People trying to do it all themselves, running out of time and dumping it on us. I'm feeling less and less like a partner with our clients and more like an emergency room. ER Printing. Yeah, that'd be a good name. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mfoster at chilitech.net Thu May 8 14:50:04 2008 From: mfoster at chilitech.net (Michael Foster) Date: Thu May 8 14:50:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners]Trade Printers In-Reply-To: <001501c8b139$9fa349f0$7201a8c0@Crown.local> Message-ID: They are somewhat close, same state. Give Dennis a call. 717-328-3902 -- Michael Foster The Print Shoppe 421 Washington Blvd. Williamsport, PA 17701 570-327-9005 Fax 570-327-9149 www.theprintshoppe.com mfoster@chilitech.net > From: Charlie Counts > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 14:30:41 -0400 > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners]Trade Printers > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Are they set up to do trade work or it works because you are close by. Do > they have a niche or commercial everything? > > Charlie Counts > CROWNMAX, Inc. > 2301 Roxalana Road > P. O. Box 234 > Dunbar, WV 25064 > 1-800-252-4011 > Fax 304-744-8652 > www.crownmax.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Sardo > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:04 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners]Trade Printers > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I use them too, good people to work with > > Michael Foster wrote: >> I use Mercersburg Printing all the time...down to earth, great people >> to work with, and list members. >> >> > > > -- > Ron Sardo > Sugarloaf Print Shop > mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com > www.sugarloafprint.com > 570-788-5099 . Fax: 570-788-6077 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From dominick at fmtc.com Thu May 8 15:23:49 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Thu May 8 15:24:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Anyone heard of these guys Message-ID: <48235345.2010807@fmtc.com> Has anyone heard of or dealt with Nash Graphics in Texas? Also have an office in Montana. They have made an offer on my 1 color H-berg MO, but before I move forward, just wanted to check in. www.nashgraphicmachinery.com Guess if the check clears, no problem right? Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com From digitaldeb at graphiccreations.com Thu May 8 16:21:59 2008 From: digitaldeb at graphiccreations.com (digitaldeb@graphiccreations.com) Date: Thu May 8 16:21:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Test Message-ID: <2045169638-1210278062-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1470751264-@bxe008.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Testing from berry Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From greg at pressexpress.org Thu May 8 16:30:27 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Thu May 8 16:30:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners]Trade Printers In-Reply-To: <000f01c8b133$3948cd20$abda6760$@com> References: <20080508170427.6BEF644C074@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> <20080508171205.21094.12971@hm-pop1.solinus.com> <200805081730.m48HUc17050166@i2bnetworks.com> <000f01c8b133$3948cd20$abda6760$@com> Message-ID: <8AD40E1A-515B-4266-B1C8-E6F0C860E984@pressexpress.org> I have had good luck with www.gotprint.com greg On May 8, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Tom King wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > May I turn the discussion around? After all the complaining about > bad trade > printers, can anyone suggest a few good trade printers? I'm in a > relatively > rural location, and there just aren't any trade printers nearby. > I'd love suggestions on where I can send the stuff I can't do (mid- > Atlantic > states, preferably, to keep shipping costs down). > > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From tufelkinder at gmail.com Thu May 8 16:31:19 2008 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Thu May 8 16:31:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners]Trade Printers In-Reply-To: <001501c8b139$9fa349f0$7201a8c0@Crown.local> References: <48234075.40905@sugarloafprint.com> <001501c8b139$9fa349f0$7201a8c0@Crown.local> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0805081331n24eef189m5894df7b8de43f42@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Charlie Counts wrote: > > Are they set up to do trade work or it works because you are close by. Do > they have a niche or commercial everything? Wow, I'm a bit surprised to see us brought up on the list! Our "niche," if you can call it that, is working quickly with files supplied ready-to-go (press-ready PDFs, or well-collected document files). On small-to-medium run-lengths and especially on high-quality work, we are very efficient and quite competitive. As a result, a number of our clients tend to be design agencies or other printers. We just enjoy printing, and hey, it's more fun to do great work!* Walt * plus that lets us buy more cool equipment! :-) Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 tufelkinder@gmail.com (for quotes: email Doug at doug@mercersburg.net ) -~ What color is a chameleon on a mirror? From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Fri May 9 09:29:25 2008 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King) Date: Fri May 9 09:41:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Multi-Color Thermographed Business Card Source Needed Message-ID: <000001c8b1d8$b32e2fe0$198a8fa0$@com> Customer wants thermographed business cards - three colors one side, two colors second side. Our regular business card suppliers can't do this. Any advice? Thanks! Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From robin at protypeonline.com Fri May 9 09:46:04 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Fri May 9 09:46:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Paddy Wagon? Message-ID: <1E4220E7-9995-4C4E-8D56-8B2BCB3F0873@protypeonline.com> anyone have an extra paddy wagon, actual "brand" name -- floor model unit for manually padding sheets -- that you would want to sell ? I need something very simple and affordable.. Robin Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 Wright Printing Company 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From bherion at bucksdigital.com Fri May 9 09:47:58 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Fri May 9 10:06:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] printer near Napa, CA? Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080509094756.0333ed08@bucksdigital.com> I've been contacted by a person in Napa seeking: >1,000 11-by-17 posters on hard card stock in four colors, with an >attached pad of postcards (20) that may be torn off and mailed. All >text and images would be sent via email. It makes no sense for me to do this and ship across country. If you are near to there and interested, I will pass your contact info on. I won't be involved - this would be your account. Bob Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From robin at protypeonline.com Fri May 9 10:12:09 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Fri May 9 10:12:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Paddy Wagon Message-ID: <200805090912663.SM01976@[10.0.1.3]> Boy -- you guys are quick! Problem solved, unit found -- thank you. Robin Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 Wright Printing Company 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Fri May 9 10:43:26 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Fri May 9 10:43:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Paddy Wagon? In-Reply-To: <1E4220E7-9995-4C4E-8D56-8B2BCB3F0873@protypeonline.com> References: <1E4220E7-9995-4C4E-8D56-8B2BCB3F0873@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <4824630E.3090206@satx.rr.com> Have you tried ebay? I see them there for about half what I paid for mine. Of course if I was into wood working back then I could have built one for about 150. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > anyone have an extra paddy wagon, actual "brand" name -- floor model > unit for manually padding sheets -- that you would want to sell ? > I need something very simple and affordable.. > Robin > > > Robin Niewold > robin@protypeonline.com > > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > > Wright Printing Company > 203 North Street > Normal, IL 61761 > 309.452.4409 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From ppiinc7 at gmail.com Fri May 9 10:45:04 2008 From: ppiinc7 at gmail.com (John Steffes) Date: Fri May 9 10:45:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Multi-Color Thermographed Business Card Source Needed In-Reply-To: <000001c8b1d8$b32e2fe0$198a8fa0$@com> References: <000001c8b1d8$b32e2fe0$198a8fa0$@com> Message-ID: We went through this recently. After lots of looking I think it was only Regency (can't remember their new name) that would do it. Client declined doing the job. Too much money. On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Tom King wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Customer wants thermographed business cards - three colors one side, two > colors second side. Our regular business card suppliers can't do this. Any > advice? > > > > Thanks! > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- John Steffes Printing Plus Delray Beach, FL From acepm2 at gmail.com Fri May 9 11:22:03 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Fri May 9 11:22:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Paddy Wagon? In-Reply-To: <4824630E.3090206@satx.rr.com> References: <1E4220E7-9995-4C4E-8D56-8B2BCB3F0873@protypeonline.com> <4824630E.3090206@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: Acutally Robin, if you can do it, have Dennis build you one (beg him if you have to!). I've seen pictures of his "burls" (I think that is what he called them) and you really could have him make you something bada$$! Yes, I realize that particle board would do the same thing....but why not have something really nice? :) JMT Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Dennis Ewing wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Have you tried ebay? I see them there for about half what I paid for mine. > Of course if I was into wood working back then I could have built one for > about 150. > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > Ewing and Sons Printing > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > San Antonio, TX 78233 > dennisewing@satx.rr.com > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com > 210/650-5311 > 210/650-9916 Fax > > > > > Robin Niewold wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> anyone have an extra paddy wagon, actual "brand" name -- floor model unit >> for manually padding sheets -- that you would want to sell ? >> I need something very simple and affordable.. >> Robin >> >> >> Robin Niewold >> robin@protypeonline.com >> >> Pro-Type Printing, Inc. >> 130 N. Market Street >> Paxton, IL 60957 >> 217.379.4715 >> >> Wright Printing Company >> 203 North Street >> Normal, IL 61761 >> 309.452.4409 >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From char at themasterspress.com Fri May 9 11:57:27 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Fri May 9 11:59:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Multi-Color Thermographed Business Card SourceNeeded In-Reply-To: References: <000001c8b1d8$b32e2fe0$198a8fa0$@com> Message-ID: <00a401c8b1ed$6155af30$0b01a8c0@CharXP> We have a supplier here in Dallas that is great. Their name is DOT and you can talk to Amy or one of the customer service people. They have a 3304 that they do 4 color thermo and I am sure can do the three color. I know this question has come up from time to time and they are a great name. Yes they are in Dallas but can ship anywhere. Their phone number is 972-701-0968. They are wholesale for real. Have used them for 30 years. Great service. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Steffes Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 9:45 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Multi-Color Thermographed Business Card SourceNeeded ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We went through this recently. After lots of looking I think it was only Regency (can't remember their new name) that would do it. Client declined doing the job. Too much money. On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Tom King wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Customer wants thermographed business cards - three colors one side, two > colors second side. Our regular business card suppliers can't do this. Any > advice? > > > > Thanks! > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- John Steffes Printing Plus Delray Beach, FL _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3089 (20080509) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3089 (20080509) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3089 (20080509) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Fri May 9 12:02:07 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Fri May 9 12:02:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Paddy Wagon? In-Reply-To: References: <1E4220E7-9995-4C4E-8D56-8B2BCB3F0873@protypeonline.com> <4824630E.3090206@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4824757F.2080505@satx.rr.com> If I were to build it it would be out of laminated particle board. A craftsman chooses materials based on function. Bookcases are pretty hardwoods and stuff to work with is particle board. :-) Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Thom Gulyas wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Acutally Robin, if you can do it, have Dennis build you one (beg him if you > have to!). > > I've seen pictures of his "burls" (I think that is what he called them) and > you really could have him make you something bada$$! > > Yes, I realize that particle board would do the same thing....but why not > have something really nice? :) > > JMT > > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > www.acepm.com > > > > > > On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Dennis Ewing > wrote: > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Have you tried ebay? I see them there for about half what I paid for mine. >> Of course if I was into wood working back then I could have built one for >> about 150. >> >> Dennis W. Ewing Sr >> Ewing and Sons Printing >> 12000 Crownpoint, #130 >> San Antonio, TX 78233 >> dennisewing@satx.rr.com >> ewingandsons@satx.rr.com >> 210/650-5311 >> 210/650-9916 Fax >> >> >> >> >> Robin Niewold wrote: >> >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> anyone have an extra paddy wagon, actual "brand" name -- floor model unit >>> for manually padding sheets -- that you would want to sell ? >>> I need something very simple and affordable.. >>> Robin >>> >>> >>> Robin Niewold >>> robin@protypeonline.com >>> >>> Pro-Type Printing, Inc. >>> 130 N. Market Street >>> Paxton, IL 60957 >>> 217.379.4715 >>> >>> Wright Printing Company >>> 203 North Street >>> Normal, IL 61761 >>> 309.452.4409 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > > > From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Fri May 9 12:11:21 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Fri May 9 12:12:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Multi-Color Thermographed Business Card SourceNeeded In-Reply-To: <00a401c8b1ed$6155af30$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <000001c8b1d8$b32e2fe0$198a8fa0$@com> <00a401c8b1ed$6155af30$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <026301c8b1ef$53502300$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> I'll better that's Lee Stirling's (formerly of Kwik Kopy in Austin) daughter. I think it was originally called Dallas Overnite Thermography. Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:57 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Multi-Color Thermographed Business Card SourceNeeded ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have a supplier here in Dallas that is great. Their name is DOT and you can talk to Amy or one of the customer service people. They have a 3304 that they do 4 color thermo and I am sure can do the three color. I know this question has come up from time to time and they are a great name. Yes they are in Dallas but can ship anywhere. Their phone number is 972-701-0968. They are wholesale for real. Have used them for 30 years. Great service. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Steffes Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 9:45 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Multi-Color Thermographed Business Card SourceNeeded ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We went through this recently. After lots of looking I think it was only Regency (can't remember their new name) that would do it. Client declined doing the job. Too much money. On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Tom King wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Customer wants thermographed business cards - three colors one side, two > colors second side. Our regular business card suppliers can't do this. Any > advice? > > > > Thanks! > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- John Steffes Printing Plus Delray Beach, FL _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3089 (20080509) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3089 (20080509) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3089 (20080509) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From char at themasterspress.com Fri May 9 12:20:49 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Fri May 9 12:22:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Multi-Color Thermographed Business Card SourceNeeded In-Reply-To: <026301c8b1ef$53502300$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> References: <000001c8b1d8$b32e2fe0$198a8fa0$@com><00a401c8b1ed$6155af30$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <026301c8b1ef$53502300$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: <00af01c8b1f0$a52ff4b0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Yep you are right. Davies' Overnite Thermography. They do work for a whole lot of the shops in Dallas but also go nationwide now. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gordon Watt Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:11 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Multi-Color Thermographed Business Card SourceNeeded ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I'll better that's Lee Stirling's (formerly of Kwik Kopy in Austin) daughter. I think it was originally called Dallas Overnite Thermography. Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:57 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Multi-Color Thermographed Business Card SourceNeeded ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have a supplier here in Dallas that is great. Their name is DOT and you can talk to Amy or one of the customer service people. They have a 3304 that they do 4 color thermo and I am sure can do the three color. I know this question has come up from time to time and they are a great name. Yes they are in Dallas but can ship anywhere. Their phone number is 972-701-0968. They are wholesale for real. Have used them for 30 years. Great service. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Steffes Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 9:45 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Multi-Color Thermographed Business Card SourceNeeded ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We went through this recently. After lots of looking I think it was only Regency (can't remember their new name) that would do it. Client declined doing the job. Too much money. On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Tom King wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Customer wants thermographed business cards - three colors one side, two > colors second side. Our regular business card suppliers can't do this. Any > advice? > > > > Thanks! > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- John Steffes Printing Plus Delray Beach, FL _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3089 (20080509) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3089 (20080509) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3089 (20080509) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3089 (20080509) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3089 (20080509) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3089 (20080509) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From carisa at holmesprinting.com Fri May 9 12:32:24 2008 From: carisa at holmesprinting.com (Carisa Holmes-Peters) Date: Fri May 9 12:33:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote In-Reply-To: <20080509160230.E8573F1C0DA@rb.enter.net> References: <20080509160230.E8573F1C0DA@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: If you have a moment could you send me your price for the following.... 15,000 6x9 24#white open side booklet envelopes printed on one side return address in 2 standard ink colors, nominal ink coverage we quoted a new client $1377.70, their current printer was at $965.00....just wanted to get a feel for where we fell. There are different sized envelopes in the 06/07 NAQP price study but I wanted to get a current feel for this specific item. Thank you for taking the time. Carisa Carisa Holmes-Peters HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street ? Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 ? Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com ? http://www.holmesprinting.com/ From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Fri May 9 12:41:52 2008 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Fri May 9 12:41:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Domain Name Scam? In-Reply-To: <4824630E.3090206@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <008f01c8b1f3$95ca1fc0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> I received the following letter by someone going out to our website and sending me an email from our website: >>Emily Dinnie submitted the following message via the Contact Us page. Email: emily@gomerit.org.cn Phone: 0086-21-6460 0589 Please contact me by: E-mail Dear Sir or Madam: We are the auditing department for Merit Technology Development Limited, professional domain name registration and dispute resolution center in China. On May 7th, 2008, we received an online registration application for "printingstation " as their internet keyword and "www.printingstation.com.cn" "www.printingstation.cn" domain names from an investment company named SNOW. However, after our audit department checking, we found this is conflict with your company's domain name and internet keyword. According to the registration principle in China, we will audit every application of our customer in order to avoid the conflict of the intellectual property. You are the original trademark owner, so I am sending you this E-mail to check if you object to their application and need to protect your trademark in China. Our audit period is limited, so please ask the responsible officer to contact us as soon as possible. Best regards Emily Dinnie Auditing Department Principal Merit Technology Development Limited Tel: 0086-21-6460 0589 Fax: 0086-21-6460 0689 SKYPE: meritmerit75 Email: emily@gomerit.org.cn Website: www.gomerit.com.cn Thank You! Emily Dinnie<< I generally disregard these types of emails, but the grammar was almost perfect, the message came from our website, and the message appeared to be more legitimate, the more times I read it. I forwarded the message to a couple of people who are more internet/email savvy than myself and received the following response: >>I did some research and a lot of people are getting a similar type of contact. Most agree this is aggressive marketing or a scam to try to get the domain owner to register a .cn domain. Read here - http://texturbation.com/blog/?p=343 In this thread, there are several mentions of the same investment company called SNOW. Seems improbable.<< I'm posting this for two reasons. 1. After reading the information provided in the link, it appears to be a high level marketing tactic, or scam, and I want to see if others agree with my assessment. 2. If it is a new scam, I wanted to make others aware of the new fun scam going around so they don't spend valuable time screwing around with it. TIA Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Fri May 9 12:42:11 2008 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Fri May 9 12:42:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007f01c8b1f3$a155e770$5a01a8c0@fileserver> I would charge $1260 for the 2 color. I would sell 15,000 single color for $965 and I suspect that is how their current printer priced the job. Not to say customers would ever lie but did you ask them were they printed 1 or 2 color last time? Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Carisa Holmes-Peters Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:32 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** If you have a moment could you send me your price for the following.... 15,000 6x9 24#white open side booklet envelopes printed on one side return address in 2 standard ink colors, nominal ink coverage we quoted a new client $1377.70, their current printer was at $965.00....just wanted to get a feel for where we fell. There are different sized envelopes in the 06/07 NAQP price study but I wanted to get a current feel for this specific item. Thank you for taking the time. Carisa Carisa Holmes-Peters HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street . Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 . Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com . http://www.holmesprinting.com/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3089 (20080509) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From bob at rjmprinting.com Fri May 9 12:43:18 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Fri May 9 12:43:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote In-Reply-To: Message-ID: $1342 Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Carisa Holmes-Peters Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:32 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** If you have a moment could you send me your price for the following.... 15,000 6x9 24#white open side booklet envelopes printed on one side return address in 2 standard ink colors, nominal ink coverage we quoted a new client $1377.70, their current printer was at $965.00....just wanted to get a feel for where we fell. There are different sized envelopes in the 06/07 NAQP price study but I wanted to get a current feel for this specific item. Thank you for taking the time. Carisa Carisa Holmes-Peters HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street . Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 . Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com . http://www.holmesprinting.com/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From john at duplicatesink.com Fri May 9 12:48:03 2008 From: john at duplicatesink.com (John Cassidy) Date: Fri May 9 12:48:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote In-Reply-To: <007f01c8b1f3$a155e770$5a01a8c0@fileserver> Message-ID: <20080509164848.8131144C90F@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> $1765 is our price for 15000 2 pms colors Warmest Regards, John Cassidy www.duplicatesink.com Print & Communications If you always do what you have always done, you will ALWAYS get what you have ALWAYS got! Try some new creative marketing ideas. Give us a call to discuss your next direct mail marketing project. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ed Pierce Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 12:42 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I would charge $1260 for the 2 color. I would sell 15,000 single color for $965 and I suspect that is how their current printer priced the job. Not to say customers would ever lie but did you ask them were they printed 1 or 2 color last time? Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Carisa Holmes-Peters Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:32 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** If you have a moment could you send me your price for the following.... 15,000 6x9 24#white open side booklet envelopes printed on one side return address in 2 standard ink colors, nominal ink coverage we quoted a new client $1377.70, their current printer was at $965.00....just wanted to get a feel for where we fell. There are different sized envelopes in the 06/07 NAQP price study but I wanted to get a current feel for this specific item. Thank you for taking the time. Carisa Carisa Holmes-Peters HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street . Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 . Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com . http://www.holmesprinting.com/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3089 (20080509) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dave at goldentriangleprinting.com Fri May 9 12:52:04 2008 From: dave at goldentriangleprinting.com (Dave) Date: Fri May 9 12:52:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Business Card Slitters Message-ID: <003301c8b1f5$024a5970$0201a8c0@GTP01> Looking for feedback on which machine is the most reliable and accurate Dave Golden Triangle Printing 80 Baffin Pl Unit 1 Waterloo, Ontario N2V 1Z7 Ph. 519-725-1414 Fax. 519-725-2051 sales@goldentriangleprinting.com From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Fri May 9 12:54:16 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Fri May 9 12:54:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote In-Reply-To: References: <20080509160230.E8573F1C0DA@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <244CDDC7-593B-4D32-91FD-E23210FD5349@bellsouth.net> Carisa, We would be at $1584.53. Stock cost is $577.87. Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On May 9, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Carisa Holmes-Peters wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > If you have a moment could you send me your price for the > following.... > > 15,000 > 6x9 24#white open side booklet envelopes > printed on one side return address in 2 standard ink colors, nominal > ink coverage > > we quoted a new client $1377.70, their current printer was at > $965.00....just wanted to get a feel for where we fell. There are > different sized envelopes in the 06/07 NAQP price study but I wanted > to get a current feel for this specific item. > > Thank you for taking the time. > > Carisa > Carisa Holmes-Peters > HOLMES Printing > 401 E. Columbia Street ? Springfield, OH 45503 > Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 ? Fax (937) 322-1601 > carisa@holmesprinting.com ? http://www.holmesprinting.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From john at duplicatesink.com Fri May 9 12:54:00 2008 From: john at duplicatesink.com (John Cassidy) Date: Fri May 9 12:54:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080509165445.80DA044C691@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> Wisco is approx $717 2 color 15,000 plus shipping. Warmest Regards, John Cassidy www.duplicatesink.com Print & Communications If you always do what you have always done, you will ALWAYS get what you have ALWAYS got! Try some new creative marketing ideas. Give us a call to discuss your next direct mail marketing project. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Carisa Holmes-Peters Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 12:32 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** If you have a moment could you send me your price for the following.... 15,000 6x9 24#white open side booklet envelopes printed on one side return address in 2 standard ink colors, nominal ink coverage we quoted a new client $1377.70, their current printer was at $965.00....just wanted to get a feel for where we fell. There are different sized envelopes in the 06/07 NAQP price study but I wanted to get a current feel for this specific item. Thank you for taking the time. Carisa Carisa Holmes-Peters HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street . Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 . Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com . http://www.holmesprinting.com/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From stalprint at charter.net Fri May 9 12:56:52 2008 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Fri May 9 12:57:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote In-Reply-To: References: <20080509160230.E8573F1C0DA@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <48248254.5060003@charter.net> I would buy it from http://www.national-imprint.com/M_Contactus.cfm Cost is around $550.00 plus freight Carisa Holmes-Peters wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > If you have a moment could you send me your price for the following.... > > 15,000 > 6x9 24#white open side booklet envelopes > printed on one side return address in 2 standard ink colors, nominal > ink coverage > > we quoted a new client $1377.70, their current printer was at > $965.00....just wanted to get a feel for where we fell. There are > different sized envelopes in the 06/07 NAQP price study but I wanted > to get a current feel for this specific item. > > Thank you for taking the time. > > Carisa > Carisa Holmes-Peters > HOLMES Printing > 401 E. Columbia Street ? Springfield, OH 45503 > Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 ? Fax (937) 322-1601 > carisa@holmesprinting.com ? http://www.holmesprinting.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri May 9 12:57:16 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri May 9 12:57:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote In-Reply-To: References: <20080509160230.E8573F1C0DA@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <200805091657.m49GvIDe091535@i2bnetworks.com> Oh what the heck, its Friday right? $1397.01. S. At 09:32 AM 5/9/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >If you have a moment could you send me your price for the following.... > >15,000 >6x9 24#white open side booklet envelopes >printed on one side return address in 2 standard ink colors, nominal >ink coverage > >we quoted a new client $1377.70, their current printer was at >$965.00....just wanted to get a feel for where we fell. There are >different sized envelopes in the 06/07 NAQP price study but I wanted >to get a current feel for this specific item. > >Thank you for taking the time. > >Carisa >Carisa Holmes-Peters >HOLMES Printing >401 E. Columbia Street ? Springfield, OH 45503 >Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 ? Fax (937) 322-1601 >carisa@holmesprinting.com ? http://www.holmesprinting.com/ > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3089 (20080509) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From carisa at holmesprinting.com Fri May 9 12:57:14 2008 From: carisa at holmesprinting.com (Carisa Holmes-Peters) Date: Fri May 9 12:57:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: 6x9 envelope price quote In-Reply-To: <20080509164858.23816F1C353@rb.enter.net> References: <20080509164858.23816F1C353@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <35BC2975-74F5-4DD3-9A37-61D019D20D55@holmesprinting.com> They did provide us with the written quote from the other printer and it stated 2 colors. Thank you for the quick responses! Carisa Carisa Holmes-Peters HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street ? Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 ? Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com ? http://www.holmesprinting.com/ On May 9, 2008, at 12:48 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > > Not to say customers would ever lie but did you ask them were they > printed 1 > or 2 color last time? > > Ed Pierce > Graphic Print & Communication > Meridian MS > 601-485-7088 > ed@graphicprintersinc.com From billg at TGAssociates.com Fri May 9 13:12:05 2008 From: billg at TGAssociates.com (Bill Greif) Date: Fri May 9 13:10:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Domain Name Scam? In-Reply-To: <008f01c8b1f3$95ca1fc0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> References: <4824630E.3090206@satx.rr.com> <008f01c8b1f3$95ca1fc0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Message-ID: <002d01c8b1f7$ce94dd00$6301a8c0@BILL> I got a similar message and I treated it as a scam. I certainly did not see the need to have a China domain address. The message gave me the opportunity to register our company several different ways with the threat that if I didn't, then this other company would. Bill Greif TG & Associates billg@tgassociates.com www.tgassociates.com Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 Toll Free 877-842-7762 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mitch Eaton Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 9:42 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Domain Name Scam? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I received the following letter by someone going out to our website and sending me an email from our website: >>Emily Dinnie submitted the following message via the Contact Us page. Email: emily@gomerit.org.cn Phone: 0086-21-6460 0589 Please contact me by: E-mail Dear Sir or Madam: We are the auditing department for Merit Technology Development Limited, professional domain name registration and dispute resolution center in China. On May 7th, 2008, we received an online registration application for "printingstation " as their internet keyword and "www.printingstation.com.cn" "www.printingstation.cn" domain names from an investment company named SNOW. However, after our audit department checking, we found this is conflict with your company's domain name and internet keyword. According to the registration principle in China, we will audit every application of our customer in order to avoid the conflict of the intellectual property. You are the original trademark owner, so I am sending you this E-mail to check if you object to their application and need to protect your trademark in China. Our audit period is limited, so please ask the responsible officer to contact us as soon as possible. Best regards Emily Dinnie Auditing Department Principal Merit Technology Development Limited Tel: 0086-21-6460 0589 Fax: 0086-21-6460 0689 SKYPE: meritmerit75 Email: emily@gomerit.org.cn Website: www.gomerit.com.cn Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jacemeister at gmail.com Fri May 9 13:12:54 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Fri May 9 13:13:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 100% Cotton Envelopes Message-ID: If anyone is interested I have 3,000 White #10-24 Gilbert 100% Cotton Envelopes I will let go at a very good price. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Fri May 9 13:37:00 2008 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Fri May 9 13:34:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote References: <20080509160230.E8573F1C0DA@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <005e01c8b1fb$4a249c00$0301a8c0@Leah> Just did a quick check with National Imprint Corporation's wholesale price book. Looks like about $34.00 per M + freight - mark it up to suit your needs. Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carisa Holmes-Peters" To: Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:32 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** If you have a moment could you send me your price for the following.... 15,000 6x9 24#white open side booklet envelopes printed on one side return address in 2 standard ink colors, nominal ink coverage we quoted a new client $1377.70, their current printer was at $965.00....just wanted to get a feel for where we fell. There are different sized envelopes in the 06/07 NAQP price study but I wanted to get a current feel for this specific item. Thank you for taking the time. Carisa Carisa Holmes-Peters HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street ? Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 ? Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com ? http://www.holmesprinting.com/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Fri May 9 13:49:08 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri May 9 13:51:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote References: <20080509160230.E8573F1C0DA@rb.enter.net> <244CDDC7-593B-4D32-91FD-E23210FD5349@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <009a01c8b1fc$fb416120$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Travis" We would be at $1584.53. Stock cost is $577.87. ============================ You guys kill me. Everytime there is a price quote like this. Our price is $1347. However our stock cost is $713. Plus a gas surcharge on delivery. If I actually got such an order, I'd probably send it out to an envelope specialty company. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Fri May 9 14:17:41 2008 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King) Date: Fri May 9 14:17:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Multi-Color Thermographed Business Card SourceNeeded In-Reply-To: <00af01c8b1f0$a52ff4b0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <000001c8b1d8$b32e2fe0$198a8fa0$@com> <00a401c8b1ed$6155af30$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <026301c8b1ef$53502300$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> <00af01c8b1f0$a52ff4b0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <002101c8b200$f89ef410$e9dcdc30$@com> Just an update... I called DOT and they will do process color thermography, but not three colors over two colors (makes sense, they don't want to set up their four color press for three spot colors on a 500 run of business cards). Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 12:21 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Multi-Color Thermographed Business Card SourceNeeded ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Yep you are right. Davies' Overnite Thermography. They do work for a whole lot of the shops in Dallas but also go nationwide now. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gordon Watt Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:11 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Multi-Color Thermographed Business Card SourceNeeded ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I'll better that's Lee Stirling's (formerly of Kwik Kopy in Austin) daughter. I think it was originally called Dallas Overnite Thermography. Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:57 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Multi-Color Thermographed Business Card SourceNeeded ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have a supplier here in Dallas that is great. Their name is DOT and you can talk to Amy or one of the customer service people. They have a 3304 that they do 4 color thermo and I am sure can do the three color. I know this question has come up from time to time and they are a great name. Yes they are in Dallas but can ship anywhere. Their phone number is 972-701-0968. They are wholesale for real. Have used them for 30 years. Great service. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Steffes Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 9:45 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Multi-Color Thermographed Business Card SourceNeeded ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We went through this recently. After lots of looking I think it was only Regency (can't remember their new name) that would do it. Client declined doing the job. Too much money. On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Tom King wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Customer wants thermographed business cards - three colors one side, two > colors second side. Our regular business card suppliers can't do this. Any > advice? > > > > Thanks! > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- John Steffes Printing Plus Delray Beach, FL _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3089 (20080509) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3089 (20080509) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3089 (20080509) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3089 (20080509) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3089 (20080509) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3089 (20080509) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mike at arborprinting.com Fri May 9 14:26:05 2008 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Fri May 9 14:28:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote References: <20080509160230.E8573F1C0DA@rb.enter.net><244CDDC7-593B-4D32-91FD-E23210FD5349@bellsouth.net> <009a01c8b1fc$fb416120$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <00bb01c8b202$24e7aa20$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> On these quantities we can send this to an envelope house, and almost in every case they wind up $2.00 - $4.00 higher per thousand than we can buy the stock. For $50-60.00 we don't have to deal with all the usual printing stuff, and we don't have the waste to worry about either. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com mike@arborprinting.com P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Huntingford" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Travis" > > We would be at $1584.53. > > Stock cost is $577.87. > ============================ > > You guys kill me. Everytime there is a price quote like this. > Our price is $1347. However our stock cost is $713. > Plus a gas surcharge on delivery. > > If I actually got such an order, I'd probably send it out to an envelope > specialty company. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri May 9 14:48:07 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri May 9 14:48:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote In-Reply-To: <009a01c8b1fc$fb416120$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <20080509160230.E8573F1C0DA@rb.enter.net> <244CDDC7-593B-4D32-91FD-E23210FD5349@bellsouth.net> <009a01c8b1fc$fb416120$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0805091148u73a41b7v90a0258d0ca681a2@mail.gmail.com> On 5/9/08, Dan Huntingford wrote: You guys kill me. Everytime there is a price quote like this. Our price is $1347. However our stock cost is $713. I can't help wondering, Dan, if your price is based on a price-survey- derived target price that does not take into account your apparently much-higher-than-average paper costs. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From sos at olympus.net Fri May 9 14:54:30 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri May 9 14:56:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote References: <20080509160230.E8573F1C0DA@rb.enter.net><244CDDC7-593B-4D32-91FD-E23210FD5349@bellsouth.net><009a01c8b1fc$fb416120$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <98f5b19a0805091148u73a41b7v90a0258d0ca681a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <010f01c8b206$1d7fc5c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Vogel" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On 5/9/08, Dan Huntingford wrote: > > You guys kill me. Everytime there is a price quote like this. > Our price is $1347. However our stock cost is $713. > > > I can't help wondering, Dan, if your price is based on a price-survey- > derived target price that does not take into account your apparently > much-higher-than-average paper costs. > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri May 9 14:56:50 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri May 9 14:56:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote In-Reply-To: <00bb01c8b202$24e7aa20$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> References: <20080509160230.E8573F1C0DA@rb.enter.net> <244CDDC7-593B-4D32-91FD-E23210FD5349@bellsouth.net> <009a01c8b1fc$fb416120$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <00bb01c8b202$24e7aa20$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0805091156o409ccd08nd2c38a42c1d08170@mail.gmail.com> On 5/9/08, Mike@arborprinting.com wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On these quantities we can send this to an envelope house, and almost in > every case they wind up $2.00 - $4.00 higher per thousand than we can buy > the stock. For $50-60.00 we don't have to deal with all the usual printing > stuff, and we don't have the waste to worry about either. Your comment addresses the issue of *cost*, not price. So it seems you've simply changed the question to one of what level of markup will yield "the roght" competitive price that will yield at least a fair profit and the fewest dollars left on the table. -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon From sos at olympus.net Fri May 9 15:10:40 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri May 9 15:13:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote References: <20080509160230.E8573F1C0DA@rb.enter.net><244CDDC7-593B-4D32-91FD-E23210FD5349@bellsouth.net><009a01c8b1fc$fb416120$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <98f5b19a0805091148u73a41b7v90a0258d0ca681a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <011201c8b208$5f8b0d10$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > I can't help wondering, Dan, if your price is based on a price-survey- > derived target price that does not take into account your apparently > much-higher-than-average paper costs. ====================== Who cares? We'd never get a job like that anyway. 500 or 1000 envelopes is about it. Every now and then 2500. But yes, we try to have market prices, we benchmark against the NAQP surveys and try to be about average to 10% above. Are there better places to order envelopes from than the traditional paper wholesaler? We use West Coast Paper because they are the only company that delivers here. But we have found a small specialty company to order NCR stock from at about half price. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From kkurata at cusa.canon.com Fri May 9 19:19:46 2008 From: kkurata at cusa.canon.com (kkurata@cusa.canon.com) Date: Fri May 9 19:19:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 05/09/2008 and will not return until 05/19/2008. From bill at mauiprintworks.com Fri May 9 19:57:06 2008 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Fri May 9 19:57:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote In-Reply-To: References: <20080509160230.E8573F1C0DA@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <26F1F3EF-2651-4525-92FA-8441C3120E41@mauiprintworks.com> $1395 Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793 bill@mauiprintworks.com 808-242-6634 On May 9, 2008, at 6:32 AM, Carisa Holmes-Peters wrote: > If you have a moment could you send me your price for the > following.... > > 15,000 > 6x9 24#white open side booklet envelopes > printed on one side return address in 2 standard ink colors, > nominal ink coverage > > we quoted a new client $1377.70, their current printer was at > $965.00....just wanted to get a feel for where we fell. There are > different sized envelopes in the 06/07 NAQP price study but I > wanted to get a current feel for this specific item. > > Thank you for taking the time. > > Carisa > Carisa Holmes-Peters > HOLMES Printing > 401 E. Columbia Street ? Springfield, OH 45503 > Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 ? Fax (937) 322-1601 > carisa@holmesprinting.com ? http://www.holmesprinting.com/ > From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com Fri May 9 20:32:56 2008 From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat) Date: Fri May 9 20:33:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote In-Reply-To: References: <20080509160230.E8573F1C0DA@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Carisa, We would price in a no bid situation for $1002 (paper cost $300). I would price @ $875 if I felt I was competing with somebody. What I cannot understand is the difference in pricing which everybody is giving you, I think people are getting catalog pricing and not booklet (big difference) Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Carisa Holmes-Peters Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 12:32 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** If you have a moment could you send me your price for the following.... 15,000 6x9 24#white open side booklet envelopes printed on one side return address in 2 standard ink colors, nominal ink coverage we quoted a new client $1377.70, their current printer was at $965.00....just wanted to get a feel for where we fell. There are different sized envelopes in the 06/07 NAQP price study but I wanted to get a current feel for this specific item. Thank you for taking the time. Carisa Carisa Holmes-Peters HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street . Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 . Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com . http://www.holmesprinting.com/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Fri May 9 20:55:17 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri May 9 20:57:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote References: <20080509160230.E8573F1C0DA@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <016f01c8b238$83ccaa00$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Moffat" > We would price in a no bid situation for $1002 (paper cost $300). I > would > price @ $875 if I felt I was competing with somebody. What I cannot > understand is the difference in pricing which everybody is giving you, I > think people are getting catalog pricing and not booklet (big difference) ====================== Our price for booklet 6x9s $39.30 per thousand. Catalog 6x9s $46.00 per thousand, both 24 lb. white. Where do you get them for $20.00/m? I can't even get regular #10s for $20. I'm paying $22.30/m for them. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com Fri May 9 21:07:56 2008 From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat) Date: Fri May 9 21:08:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote In-Reply-To: <016f01c8b238$83ccaa00$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <20080509160230.E8573F1C0DA@rb.enter.net> <016f01c8b238$83ccaa00$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: Dan, I buy from Mac Papers. Booklet (5 Carton Price) $19.48, Catalog (5 Carton Price) $31.41. #10 (5 Carton Price) $13.46. Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 8:55 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Moffat" > We would price in a no bid situation for $1002 (paper cost $300). I > would > price @ $875 if I felt I was competing with somebody. What I cannot > understand is the difference in pricing which everybody is giving you, I > think people are getting catalog pricing and not booklet (big difference) ====================== Our price for booklet 6x9s $39.30 per thousand. Catalog 6x9s $46.00 per thousand, both 24 lb. white. Where do you get them for $20.00/m? I can't even get regular #10s for $20. I'm paying $22.30/m for them. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri May 9 21:12:57 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri May 9 21:13:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote In-Reply-To: <016f01c8b238$83ccaa00$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <20080509160230.E8573F1C0DA@rb.enter.net> <016f01c8b238$83ccaa00$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <200805100113.m4A1D0nF087723@i2bnetworks.com> Yes, but then everyone in your neck of the woods is as well Dan. Pricing is relative to your market and also what you can get away with (as in selling at higher prices because you're worth it) All of this banter about cost is irrelevant. Price and cost are not related. Carisa's question was about price in her marketplace. I think her price was fair, but its up to her to sell to her price and not to someone else's (in her market). If she can bring more value to the table then the guy who is pricing less, then she'll get the business. If not, then she won't. S. At 05:55 PM 5/9/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Moffat" > > >>We would price in a no bid situation for $1002 (paper cost $300). I would >>price @ $875 if I felt I was competing with somebody. What I cannot >>understand is the difference in pricing which everybody is giving you, I >>think people are getting catalog pricing and not booklet (big difference) >====================== > >Our price for booklet 6x9s $39.30 per thousand. Catalog 6x9s $46.00 >per thousand, both 24 lb. white. >Where do you get them for $20.00/m? > >I can't even get regular #10s for $20. I'm paying $22.30/m for them. > >Dan Huntingford >SOS Printing >2319 Washington Street >Port Townsend, WA 98368 >Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >sos@olympus.net >(360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3090 (20080509) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From john at foxprinting.biz Sat May 10 07:29:01 2008 From: john at foxprinting.biz (John Schroeder) Date: Sat May 10 07:32:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] pdf color In-Reply-To: References: <000001c8b1d8$b32e2fe0$198a8fa0$@com> Message-ID: When exporting a PDF with no compression from ID CS3 my PMS-colored business card files become 4/C. What the heck? How can I export a PDF from ID and retain spot colors? John Schroeder Fox Printing 802-658-9196 john@foxprinting.biz From John at mpcny.com Sat May 10 08:42:08 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Sat May 10 08:41:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA is on the list In-Reply-To: <20080510113215.324D7F1E054@rb.enter.net> References: <20080510113215.324D7F1E054@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <000301c8b29b$42fbc390$c8f34ab0$@com> Beware Canon has a USA executive lurking on this owners only list. Bob has always allowed consultants like John, Steve, Mike and Mitch here. I encourage that and they all give much to this group. I know even more only lurk and take, which I do not like at all. I do not recall Mr Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA ever posting an intro, being invited or contributing. Tell us about yourself Kohji Kurata. I guess we all better watch what we say about Canon... or better if you have bitch you now have a pipeline! P.S. love my Canon ir3200 (getting dated) but would never buy the replacement ones they have not held up, are just plain inferior to the KM 6500 and Xerox 242/252/260. The new 7000/6000 is slick but more than I can afford right now Hey Mr. Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA (kkurata@cusa.canon.com) can you cut us a special for PO memebers? Your now part of the gang I guess what I am saying is we have some lurkers here who should not be and others who are consultants in our industry and lurk and take, then they never post or contribute. Bob I believe, needs let us know what MFG's are lurking and who is monitoring. God I hope EFI is (Hi Ron T, Mark O and Guy G) Maybe some of you will have courtesy to come out and do a intro? It is part of the list rules when you joined. Maybe something has changed and the list is now open to all. We all are here learning, some of discussions are hard hitting. I know I freely give and take and often bitch, I will do so if a MFG is here, others may not. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.14/1425 - Release Date: 5/9/2008 12:38 PM From clc at crownmax.com Sat May 10 08:59:00 2008 From: clc at crownmax.com (Charlie Counts) Date: Sat May 10 08:59:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA is on the list In-Reply-To: <000301c8b29b$42fbc390$c8f34ab0$@com> References: <20080510113215.324D7F1E054@rb.enter.net> <000301c8b29b$42fbc390$c8f34ab0$@com> Message-ID: <000501c8b29d$9e04bf60$7201a8c0@Crown.local> John, I am pretty much a lurker and am mostly interested in management issues and it seems that if we have 650 or so members most are like me. We are fortunate to have folks like you and all of the other regular posters to keep the info and opinions flowing. The entertainment value of the list is great. Scott and Stewart's rants are priceless! The unique information like the shipping scam alert is also extremely valuable. Keep on sharing, your input is appreciated. Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road P. O. Box 234 Dunbar, WV 25064 1-800-252-4011 Fax 304-744-8652 www.crownmax.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 8:42 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA is on the list Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Beware Canon has a USA executive lurking on this owners only list. Bob has always allowed consultants like John, Steve, Mike and Mitch here. I encourage that and they all give much to this group. I know even more only lurk and take, which I do not like at all. I do not recall Mr Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA ever posting an intro, being invited or contributing. Tell us about yourself Kohji Kurata. I guess we all better watch what we say about Canon... or better if you have bitch you now have a pipeline! P.S. love my Canon ir3200 (getting dated) but would never buy the replacement ones they have not held up, are just plain inferior to the KM 6500 and Xerox 242/252/260. The new 7000/6000 is slick but more than I can afford right now Hey Mr. Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA (kkurata@cusa.canon.com) can you cut us a special for PO memebers? Your now part of the gang I guess what I am saying is we have some lurkers here who should not be and others who are consultants in our industry and lurk and take, then they never post or contribute. Bob I believe, needs let us know what MFG's are lurking and who is monitoring. God I hope EFI is (Hi Ron T, Mark O and Guy G) Maybe some of you will have courtesy to come out and do a intro? It is part of the list rules when you joined. Maybe something has changed and the list is now open to all. We all are here learning, some of discussions are hard hitting. I know I freely give and take and often bitch, I will do so if a MFG is here, others may not. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.14/1425 - Release Date: 5/9/2008 12:38 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From championprinting at yahoo.com Sat May 10 12:02:55 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Sat May 10 12:03:22 2008 Subject: OFF Re: [PrintOwners] Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA is on the list Message-ID: <771085.77562.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Charlie, if you were a lurker, I wouldn't recognize your name. I consider you a contributor an well as those that ask intelligent questions.? Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Charlie Counts To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 8:59:00 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA is on the list ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** John, I am pretty much a lurker and am mostly interested in management issues and it seems that if we have 650 or so members most are like me. We are fortunate to have folks like you and all of the other regular posters to keep the info and opinions flowing. The entertainment value of the list is great. Scott and Stewart's rants are priceless! The unique information like the shipping scam alert is also extremely valuable. Keep on sharing, your input is appreciated. Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road P. O. Box 234 Dunbar, WV 25064 1-800-252-4011 Fax 304-744-8652 www.crownmax.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 8:42 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA is on the list Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Beware Canon has a USA executive lurking on this owners only list. Bob has always allowed consultants like John, Steve, Mike and Mitch here. I encourage that and they all give much to this group. I know even more only lurk and take, which I do not like at all. I do not recall Mr Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA ever posting an intro, being invited or contributing. Tell us about yourself Kohji Kurata. I guess we all better watch what we say about Canon... or better if you have bitch you now have a pipeline! P.S. love my Canon ir3200 (getting dated) but would never buy the replacement ones they have not held up, are just plain inferior to the KM 6500 and Xerox 242/252/260. The new 7000/6000 is slick but more than I can afford right now Hey Mr. Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA (kkurata@cusa.canon.com) can you cut us a special for PO memebers? Your now part of the gang I guess what I am saying is we have some lurkers here who should not be and others who are consultants in our industry and lurk and take, then they never post or contribute. Bob I believe, needs let us know what MFG's are lurking and who is monitoring. God I hope EFI is (Hi Ron T, Mark O and Guy G) Maybe some of you will have courtesy to come out and do a intro? It is part of the list rules when you joined. Maybe something has changed and the list is now open to all. We all are here learning, some of discussions are hard hitting. I know I freely give and take and often bitch, I will do so if a MFG is here, others may not. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.14/1425 - Release Date: 5/9/2008 12:38 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From acepm2 at gmail.com Sat May 10 13:56:24 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Sat May 10 13:56:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA is on the list In-Reply-To: <000301c8b29b$42fbc390$c8f34ab0$@com> References: <20080510113215.324D7F1E054@rb.enter.net> <000301c8b29b$42fbc390$c8f34ab0$@com> Message-ID: Look, this may bring up another topic that nobody wants to discuss but I guess I'll be the one to ask. First, who is Kohji Kurata and why did Bob not tell us about him? First you have the question about the computer system you all bought and now this? Bob, I'm curious. When did Kohji Kurata introduce himself? Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 8:42 AM, John Henry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Beware Canon has a USA executive lurking on this owners only list. > > Bob has always allowed consultants like John, Steve, Mike and Mitch here. I > encourage that and they all give much to this group. I know even more only > lurk and take, which I do not like at all. > > I do not recall Mr Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA ever posting an intro, > being invited or contributing. Tell us about yourself Kohji Kurata. > > I guess we all better watch what we say about Canon... or better if you > have > bitch you now have a pipeline! > > P.S. love my Canon ir3200 (getting dated) but would never buy the > replacement ones they have not held up, are just plain inferior to the KM > 6500 and Xerox 242/252/260. The new 7000/6000 is slick but more than I can > afford right now Hey Mr. Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA > (kkurata@cusa.canon.com) can you cut us a special for PO memebers? Your > now > part of the gang > > I guess what I am saying is we have some lurkers here who should not be and > others who are consultants in our industry and lurk and take, then they > never post or contribute. > > Bob I believe, needs let us know what MFG's are lurking and who is > monitoring. God I hope EFI is (Hi Ron T, Mark O and Guy G) Maybe some > of > you will have courtesy to come out and do a intro? It is part of the list > rules when you joined. Maybe something has changed and the list is now open > to all. > > We all are here learning, some of discussions are hard hitting. I know I > freely give and take and often bitch, I will do so if a MFG is here, others > may not. > > > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > 125-129 East First Street > Oswego, New York 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 Fax > www.mpcny.com > John@mpcny.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.14/1425 - Release Date: 5/9/2008 > 12:38 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From sos at olympus.net Sat May 10 14:08:53 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Sat May 10 14:11:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote References: <20080509160230.E8573F1C0DA@rb.enter.net><016f01c8b238$83ccaa00$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <200805100113.m4A1D0nF087723@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <019e01c8b2c8$e84f3ed0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > Pricing is relative to your market and also what you can get away with (as > in selling at higher prices because you're worth it) > > All of this banter about cost is irrelevant. > > Price and cost are not related. ====================== I disagree that cost is irrelevant. Price and cost may not be directly related, but price, cost and profit have a very direct correlation. Having found a source for NCR that costs about half our usual price, we are now selling forms at a substantially greater profit than we were before. No, I didn't lower prices to reflect our lower cost of materials. And, no, I'm not planning to forget that cost and value are very different. I truly value our relationship with West Coast Paper. As paper prices have gone up, our prices have gone up. I have always told our paper sales rep to quit apologizing for cost increases, I just make more profit on the markup, so don't sweat it. As long as everyone gets the same cost increases. Which is true. I agree with you there. But I'm still going to look into buying bulk envelopes direct from Western States. (What an odd name for a business located back east in Minnesota, by the way.) Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From sos at olympus.net Sat May 10 14:26:23 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Sat May 10 14:28:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA is on the list References: <20080510113215.324D7F1E054@rb.enter.net><000301c8b29b$42fbc390$c8f34ab0$@com> Message-ID: <01a501c8b2cb$5a536860$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > First, who is Kohji Kurata and why did Bob not tell us about him? ================ What an odd name. Kurata is Greek. (at least the Kuratas I know are) Kohji sounds Japanese. Anyway, I'm OK with manufacturers being on the list. As well as consultants. I can't keep all the lists I'm on straight, but representatives of Adobe, Enfocus, etc. have jumped in and given very valuable information now and then. John and Mitch, etc. have certainly contributed greatly, and I hope being on the list keeps them abreast of current issues with lots of printers. I wish a representative of Heidelberg were on the list to hear the scathing comments, all true by the way, of their lousy and extraordinarily expensive service. I wish someone from Ryobi would jump in and give us some factual information. If Bob were to crack down and boot off anyone who isn't actually a PrintOwner, I'd be OK with that. But my vote would be for consultants, manufacturers, etc. to be welcome, as long as they didn't abuse the privilege. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From vern at fosterpress.com Sat May 10 16:16:14 2008 From: vern at fosterpress.com (Vern Foster) Date: Sat May 10 16:16:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] pdf color In-Reply-To: References: <000001c8b1d8$b32e2fe0$198a8fa0$@com> Message-ID: <003d01c8b2da$b2c68b30$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> John, you should be able to find the "Adobe PDF presets" under your "file" menu. Under "output" then "color conversion" select "no color conversion". This should allow your PMS numbers to stay intact. ======================================== Vern Foster ~ Foster Press ~ Lake Stevens, WA vern@fosterpress.com ~ 425-334-9317 ======================================== -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Schroeder Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 4:29 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] pdf color ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** When exporting a PDF with no compression from ID CS3 my PMS-colored business card files become 4/C. What the heck? How can I export a PDF from ID and retain spot colors? John Schroeder Fox Printing 802-658-9196 john@foxprinting.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Sat May 10 19:38:31 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Sat May 10 19:38:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA is out of the office. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200805102338.m4ANcZgB046418@i2bnetworks.com> Not to bright for a lurker, no? I give him a 3 on a 10 scale. S. At 01:35 PM 5/9/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >I will be out of the office starting 05/09/2008 and will not return until >05/19/2008. > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3090 (20080509) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From acepm2 at gmail.com Sun May 11 07:02:40 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Sun May 11 07:02:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA is out of the office. In-Reply-To: <200805102338.m4ANcZgB046418@i2bnetworks.com> References: <200805102338.m4ANcZgB046418@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: You hold him in a higher regard than I do. I'm quickly loosing faith in the "List Mom" as we go on too. Sad.... Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Not to bright for a lurker, no? > > I give him a 3 on a 10 scale. > > S. > > > > > At 01:35 PM 5/9/2008, you wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> I will be out of the office starting 05/09/2008 and will not return until >> 05/19/2008. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3090 (20080509) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From craig at sutterprinting.com Sun May 11 15:05:02 2008 From: craig at sutterprinting.com (Craig Baise) Date: Tue May 13 19:44:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon IR5020 Message-ID: Does anyone have experience with the Canon Image Runner 5020? I am looking for backup - maybe 100,000 copies per month. Danka is quoting .057per click. I would appreciate any feedback on reliability and click cost - thanks Craig C. Baise Sutter Printing 916.446.0167 office www.sutterprinting.com From scottv at fullcircleprintingsolutions.com Sun May 11 19:56:22 2008 From: scottv at fullcircleprintingsolutions.com (Scott) Date: Tue May 13 19:44:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: pricing on KM 6500 and/or CPP 650 References: <20080502135928.1D304F095B3@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <000601c8b3c2$bc06aac0$2d01a8c0@ellsworthacer> Thanks for all the input, and it is very much appreciated. However, one of the most important things I was looking for are some of the actual purchase prices you were getting for these machines. I like to know what the " If I were paying with a bag of cash, how big would the bag have to be?" price is so I can compare the vendors lease rates with other options. Thanks again. Sincerely, Scott Vicnaire President Regal Printing & Graphics www.regalpress.net 140 South Main Street Brewer, Maine 04412 207-989-4100 265 Water Street Ellsworth, Maine 04605 207-667-5227 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:59 AM Subject: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 33, Issue 5 > Send PrintOwners mailing list submissions to > printowners@printweb.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > printowners-request@printweb.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > printowners-owner@printweb.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of PrintOwners digest..." > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Digest ***** > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: pricing on KM 6500 and/or CPP 650 (Bill Werkheiser) > 2. Re: pricing on KM 6500 and/or CPP 650 (Jeff Daghir) > 3. Re: Just got an order for 97, 500 shipped to south Africa > (scam) (Ian Franks) > 4. Re: pricing on KM 6500 and/or CPP 650 (Ben Travis) > 5. Re: Customer confidentiality agreement (Jeff Haines) > 6. Re: Just got an order for 97, 500 shipped to south Africa > (scam) (Ian Franks) > 7. RipIt - Xante MasterCare Service Agreement (Loren Maurina) > 8. Re: Manual for Challenge Cutter (Tommy Melendez) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 22:35:23 -0400 > From: Bill Werkheiser > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] pricing on KM 6500 and/or CPP 650 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <481BCF6B.2030609@werkheiser.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Similar story with a stranger twist. When we started shopping for our KM > C500, there was only one dealer and it was an hour away so we had little > negotiation power. We told them what the national pricing was for the > machine and the service clicks and they said, "no way." Thanks to > Charlene Sims, we called the KM rep for NAQP who said they would do the > deal direct. We paid the national price for the machine (saved 8 grand) > and are paying the NAQP rate. Guess who's servicing the machine? They > moaned and groaned so much, I believe KM national is paying them the > difference. I turn my clicks into the national KM, but the local (if you > want to call it that, they are an hour away) still services the machine. > That was three years ago. > > Bill Werkheiser > http://WeLoveToPrint.com > SE PrinTech / Coastal Mailing Services > P O Box 27 - 315 E Banks St. > Glennville, GA 30427 > (912) 654-3610 phone > (912) 654-3611 fax > > > > Mitch Eaton wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Scott, >> >> When we were ready to upgrade our Doc 12 last year we were going to go >> with >> the KM C500. We did not have a KM dealer in Des Moines at the time we >> started our shopping, so we started talking to Konica dealers. None of >> them >> would meet NAQP pricing on hardware and service. >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 01:05:34 -0400 > From: "Jeff Daghir" > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] pricing on KM 6500 and/or CPP 650 > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Message-ID: > <83d5b9620805012205uc9410f6pf0c42960c3da845d@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >> 1. Are the KM and IKON models the same box with different labels. If not, >> what are the differences. > > My understanding is that they are essentially the same with the > exception of minor differences in the configuration of the firmware of > the machines. I think the toner cartridges are slightly different - > same toner but different connector on it so that a KM cartridge won't > work in a Ikon and vice-versa. For the C500 there were some small > difference between Ikon's Creo rip and KM's Creo rip. > > > >> 2. I currently have an upgraded RIP, Creo 500, I believe, which I own. >> Will this work with a new machine? > > Nope. Copier rips are specific to the machine they were made for. Buy > a new copier and you'll have to buy a new rip to go with it. > > > > > > -- > Jeff Daghir > MPS Printing, Inc. > "The Ink & Paper People" > Madison, IN > www.mpsprinting.com > jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 07:22:23 +0200 > From: "Ian Franks" > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Just got an order for 97, 500 shipped to > south Africa (scam) > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Brian, > That address is very close to my shop I will go have a look later. It is > an > address of a Hotel and right next to the building site for the Rosebank > Station for the Gautrain (our own underground). > > > 2008/5/1 Brian O'Day : > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Young Star Shippers who would be coming to your location to >> pick these flyers up and shipped to my new Orphanage Home thats located >> in >> Johannesburg,South Africa.Kindly send them an email through >> youngstarshippers@gmail.com with the following details and then request >> for >> a shipping cost so i can make the subtotal of the flyers and shipping >> charges together. >> 1.Total quntity with size and weight of flyers >> 2.Pickup location(Your Shop) >> 3.Delivery location which is >> Gibsons Orphanage Home, Cnr Oxford Road and >> Tyrwhitt Avenue Rosebank, Johannesburg . >> I am recommending you to Young Star Shippers because they have handled >> my >> shipments before and i am okay with their services.Thanks and i will wait >> for your prompt response >> >> > > > -- > Regards > Ian Franks > Print Image > 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo > Johannesburg, South Africa > Ph 011 447 3133 > Fax 011 447 0642 > sales@printimage.co.za > www.printimage.co.za > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 07:00:02 -0400 > From: Ben Travis > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] pricing on KM 6500 and/or CPP 650 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <7A461D6A-E357-4B26-9D84-5558ACF62125@bellsouth.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > This is pretty much what I found when I purchased our CP500. > > One important item though, is that I was told that nobody but Ikon > would service the CP machines, where you may have your choice of > several Konica Minolta dealers with for KM service. > > In our case, I was very happy with our existing Ikon service, so I was > confident in their ability to service our CP500... > > Ben Travis > > Copy Express > 4004-A South Blvd. > Charlotte, NC 20209 > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net > 704-527-1750 > On May 2, 2008, at 1:05 AM, Jeff Daghir wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>> 1. Are the KM and IKON models the same box with different labels. >>> If not, what are the differences. >> >> My understanding is that they are essentially the same with the >> exception of minor differences in the configuration of the firmware of >> the machines. I think the toner cartridges are slightly different - >> same toner but different connector on it so that a KM cartridge won't >> work in a Ikon and vice-versa. For the C500 there were some small >> difference between Ikon's Creo rip and KM's Creo rip. >> >> >> >>> 2. I currently have an upgraded RIP, Creo 500, I believe, which I >>> own. Will this work with a new machine? >> >> Nope. Copier rips are specific to the machine they were made for. Buy >> a new copier and you'll have to buy a new rip to go with it. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jeff Daghir >> MPS Printing, Inc. >> "The Ink & Paper People" >> Madison, IN >> www.mpsprinting.com >> jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 08:02:13 -0400 > From: Jeff Haines > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Customer confidentiality agreement > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <20080502120203.17650.29381@hm-pop1.solinus.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed > > At 09:40 AM 5/1/2008, you wrote: >>We have been providing mail services for many >>years, but I just had a request that has never come up before. >> >>A prospect wants us to provide a signed >>confidentiality agreement which says that we >>will not disclose their mailing list to anyone. >> >>Does anyone have such an agreement handy? >> >>Please email it to me, if you are willing to share. > > > I've offered to sign them for clients in the > past, but no one every went far enough to > actually present one. I wouldn't hesitate to sign > on. If you do, I can't imagine why a customer > would trust you with their mailing list. > > Jeff > > Haines Printing Co. > 10575 W. Main Rd. > North East, PA 16428 > (814) 725-1955 . Fax (814) 725-2244 > email: jeff@hprinting.biz . www.hprinting.biz > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 14:29:39 +0200 > From: "Ian Franks" > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Just got an order for 97, 500 shipped to > south Africa (scam) > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Brian > I went there and there is a Hotel one corner and a school on the other > corner. > -- > Regards > Ian Franks > Print Image > 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo > Johannesburg, South Africa > Ph 011 447 3133 > Fax 011 447 0642 > sales@printimage.co.za > www.printimage.co.za > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 09:53:35 -0400 > From: Loren Maurina > Subject: [PrintOwners] RipIt - Xante MasterCare Service Agreement > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <64B954C2-D12D-45EE-AE8D-BF344F60CE5B@inkonpaper.biz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Those who have this service agreement on the hardware: > > Does your contract cover the Vastech processor? > Or only the Imagesetter? > > Loren Maurina > President > L & L Printing, Inc. > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren > > ph (586) 263-0060 > fx (586) 263-4895 > > Loren@InkOnPaper.biz > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 09:59:12 -0400 > From: Tommy Melendez > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Manual for Challenge Cutter > To: printowners@printweb.org > Message-ID: <8CA7A73D573F1F4-B6C-58CE@webmail-dd21.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Thanks for that Dan!? Day started out bad but that one helped! > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Huntingford > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Sent: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:18 pm > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Manual for Challenge Cutter > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? > ? >> It's really old, so maybe it's 265 square inches? There is a space? >> between the 2 and the 65, but it looks like it was hand stamped on? > ======================? > ? > Oh for goodness sakes, a Challenge 265 is 26 and a half inches wide. A > Challenge 305 is 30 and a half inches wide.? > Those are the two most common cutters in America.? > ? > A Polar 66 is 66 millimeters wide or about 26 inches wide. A Polar 78 is . > . .guess. . . 78 millimeters wide or about 30.5 inches.? > ? > And when you push the two buttons the clamp and blade go whooomph.? > And that's about all I know.? > ? > Dan Huntingford? > SOS Printing? > 2319 Washington Street? > Port Townsend, WA 98368? > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF? > sos@olympus.net? > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 ? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? > ? > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > End of PrintOwners Digest, Vol 33, Issue 5 > ****************************************** > From copythatnyc at aol.com Sun May 11 20:11:03 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue May 13 19:44:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA is on the list In-Reply-To: <01a501c8b2cb$5a536860$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <20080510113215.324D7F1E054@rb.enter.net><000301c8b29b$42fbc390$c8f34ab0$@com> <01a501c8b2cb$5a536860$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <8CA81DBCCD9DC1F-F98-3D45@Webmail-mg15.sim.aol.com> I agree 100%? Actually they should be paying to be on our list.? They are receiving vital information, something that their (RD) department wouldn't have access to.? So a small monthly fee of let's say $1000 a month would be priceless for what they normally spend.? Oh yes the moneys will be put towards scholarships for the future of our industry.? Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Dan Huntingford To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Sat, 10 May 2008 11:26 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA is on the list ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? > First, who is Kohji Kurata and why did Bob not tell us about him?? ================? ? What an odd name. Kurata is Greek. (at least the Kuratas I know are) Kohji sounds Japanese.? Anyway, I'm OK with manufacturers being on the list. As well as consultants. I can't keep all the lists I'm on straight, but representatives of Adobe, Enfocus, etc. have jumped in and given very valuable information now and then. John and Mitch, etc. have certainly contributed greatly, and I hope being on the list keeps them abreast of current issues with lots of printers. I wish a representative of Heidelberg were on the list to hear the scathing comments, all true by the way, of their lousy and extraordinarily expensive service. I wish someone from Ryobi would jump in and give us some factual information.? ? If Bob were to crack down and boot off anyone who isn't actually a PrintOwner, I'd be OK with that. But my vote would be for consultants, manufacturers, etc. to be welcome, as long as they didn't abuse the privilege.? ? Dan Huntingford? SOS Printing? 2319 Washington Street? Port Townsend, WA 98368? Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF? sos@olympus.net? (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From John at mpcny.com Mon May 12 08:23:20 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Tue May 13 19:44:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA is on the In-Reply-To: <20080510182850.1C981F1EA33@rb.enter.net> References: <20080510182850.1C981F1EA33@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <008901c8b42a$f6e136c0$e4a3a440$@com> I have nothing against them being here, but it was a day one rule they were not allowed. As far as lurkers who are owners I do not mind that at all. Some are shy; others busy, some only check once in awhile and by then the answer is given. Again nothing wrong with lurking if you?re an owner or Bob has given the ok to you as a consultant. The list rules were set that this is a closed list for owners (or past owner, manager or director type). Has that changed? John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1427 - Release Date: 5/11/2008 1:08 PM From gamble at choiceonemail.com Mon May 12 08:30:33 2008 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Tue May 13 19:44:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA is out of the office. In-Reply-To: References: <200805102338.m4ANcZgB046418@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <013f01c8b42b$f9a01330$0201a8c0@RICK> I can not say for sure but I think you'd be very surprised how many "Lurkers" from other manufactures are on this as well as the "PONG" list. I know on both you need to be invited or at least introduce yourself but the Lurkers are not going to use the front door.. They use the back so they can keep track of what and who rant or rave about the product they market. Should we stop openly discussing the issues we come across..god no if they want to monitor let them hear it and react as they see fit, maybe just maybe they will react as they should. If not then they face the loss of sales to competitors. Oh well Off to meet with the contractors on the walls in the new location and then the electric and phones..does the madness ever stop..:) JMTC Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Thom Gulyas Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 7:03 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA is out of the office. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** You hold him in a higher regard than I do. I'm quickly loosing faith in the "List Mom" as we go on too. Sad.... Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Not to bright for a lurker, no? > > I give him a 3 on a 10 scale. > > S. > > > > > At 01:35 PM 5/9/2008, you wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> I will be out of the office starting 05/09/2008 and will not return until >> 05/19/2008. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3090 (20080509) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dominick at fmtc.com Mon May 12 09:45:41 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Tue May 13 19:44:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Plate Punch For Sale Message-ID: <48284A05.1050300@fmtc.com> Fellow Owners, Before I sell it somewhere else, thought I would ask if anyone needs to purchase a Bacher 2042 Plate Punch. We used it for our H-berg MO, adjustable for many presses that need plates punched. I know I paid $2000, so if interested, e-mail is best. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com From eking at whidbeyprinters.com Mon May 12 10:48:05 2008 From: eking at whidbeyprinters.com (Eric at Whidbey Printers) Date: Tue May 13 19:44:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] pdf color In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I had this happen to me on an envelope job a month ago. Check the Ink Manager in both InDesign proper and in the pdf export settings and make sure 'Convert spot colors to Process' is unchecked. On 5/10/08 4:29 AM, "John Schroeder" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > When exporting a PDF with no compression from ID CS3 my PMS-colored > business card files become 4/C. What the heck? > > How can I export a PDF from ID and retain spot colors? > > > > > > John Schroeder > Fox Printing > 802-658-9196 > john@foxprinting.biz > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > -- 2003 & 2002 Quality Award - Oak Harbor Chamber of Commerce 2001 Business of the Year - Oak Harbor Chamber of Commerce Eric King Whidbey Printers 1330 SW Barlow St #1 Oak Harbor, WA 98277 360-675-8837 Fax 360-679-4120 eking@whidbeyprinters.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon May 12 11:15:16 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue May 13 19:44:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote Message-ID: In a message dated 5/9/2008 9:10:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com writes: Dan, I buy from Mac Papers. Booklet (5 Carton Price) $19.48, Catalog (5 Carton Price) $31.41. #10 (5 Carton Price) $13.46. Richard, We also purchase from Mac, and even using a slightly outdated price book, 6x9 Booklet, 24#, 5 carton price is listed at $29.75. Catalog, #24 same size, 5 ctn. price $37.83. We normally receive the 10 ctn. price break on everything, but just don't have a current invoice or price book on the 6x9's but would assume the new catalog prices would be even higher than the above.... are you absolutely sure the above prices are current? Curious minds want to know. As for #10s, currently, we purchase Mac. #10/24 regulars $12.95/M John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) From george at dahlquistprinting.com Mon May 12 15:00:22 2008 From: george at dahlquistprinting.com (George Dahlquist) Date: Tue May 13 19:44:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Air Cleaners References: <200805102338.m4ANcZgB046418@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <000901c8b462$6e0a90c0$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> We are currently looking to install some sort of air filtration system in our pressroom. I just had a meeting with the local Honeywell dealer and he recommended the Honeywell F111 unit. It looks to be a good unit but seems a little pricey. He wants $2670 installed plus I'll need to have an electrician run service to it. It is a ceiling mounted device that uses a couple of different filtration systems. Anyone have any experience with this or similar types of units? Thanks. George Dahlquist Dahlquist Printing & Graphics Orlando, FL george@dahlquistprinting.com From andy at CedarBusinessPrinting.com Mon May 12 15:07:33 2008 From: andy at CedarBusinessPrinting.com (Andy Flamm) Date: Tue May 13 19:44:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Envelope Printers Message-ID: Looking for recommendations for low-volume envelope printers, both for mailings and as an alternative to offset printing for simple jobs. Speed is not a big concern, but it would need to accept a larger stack of envelopes than a typical desktop inkjet, and quality should be almost laser-like. Any suggestions? Andy Flamm -- Cedar Business Printing 345 Cedar Street, Suite 256 Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101 651-293-3904 voice 651-293-3905 fax andy@CedarBusinessPrinting.com www.CedarBusinessPrinting.com From steve at toledoprinter.com Mon May 12 16:47:10 2008 From: steve at toledoprinter.com (West Printing) Date: Tue May 13 19:44:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Acceptable Industry Standards..pttooey! Message-ID: <013501c8b471$5a3c8940$0eb59bc0$@com> Here is a link to the Print Ceo blog that presents some opinions of print buyers. On the issue of listing your equipment on your website, some say it is counterproductive. These guys say it's important information to have. http://printceoblog.com/2008/04/print-buyers-straight-shoot-print-prov iders-at-woa "Acceptable Industry Standards" are three dirty words never to be uttered. Give it a read and see if you are guilty. Green printing is a hot topic and training print buyers never ends. Do you have client contacts who buy printing as well as do the pencil shopping at Officemax? Steve Robison West Printing Co. 327 12th Street, Toledo, OH 43604 Ph. 419.246.0857, steve@toledoprinter.com? **************************************** http://www.ToledoPrinter.Com Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider Search Engine Optimization From andrew.flamm at gmail.com Mon May 12 16:59:51 2008 From: andrew.flamm at gmail.com (Andy Flamm) Date: Tue May 13 19:44:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Envelope Printers Message-ID: Looking for recommendations for low-volume envelope printers, both for mailings and as an alternative to offset printing for simple jobs. Speed is not a big concern, but it would need to accept a larger stack of envelopes than a typical desktop inkjet, and quality should be almost laser-like. Any suggestions? Andy Flamm -- Cedar Business Printing 345 Cedar Street, Suite 256 Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101 651-293-3904 voice 651-293-3905 fax andy@CedarBusinessPrinting.com www.CedarBusinessPrinting.com From joseph at mauiprintworks.com Mon May 12 20:09:21 2008 From: joseph at mauiprintworks.com (Joseph Marsh) Date: Tue May 13 19:44:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 4595 vs 4112 Message-ID: <31477FE1-2CCE-484F-B9B7-66F2C5F0116C@mauiprintworks.com> We are at the point where we need to upgrade our Xerox WCP 90. Our Xerox rep has given us some pricing on the 4595 and the 4112. We average 57,000 copies a month on our WCP 90. We are starting to do more and more books which take us to 150,000+ in any given month. These books require tabs to be inserted which we currently do by hand. Xerox is the only dealer locally that can offer the quality of service we need. I would like to know your thoughts on the differences between the 2 models Xerox is recommending to us. Thank you! Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 Cell: 808-264-6382 joseph@mauiprintworks.com From bill at werkheiser.com Tue May 13 21:41:52 2008 From: bill at werkheiser.com (Bill Werkheiser) Date: Tue May 13 19:44:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <1B970940-1B50-44A7-BE69-9E0F00A4B4E3@ptialaska.net> References: <1B970940-1B50-44A7-BE69-9E0F00A4B4E3@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <482A4360.2020806@werkheiser.com> OK, I went to printweb.org to unsubscribe so that my auto responder would not show up and followed directions and here is what I got: This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: printowners-off@rb.enter.net (ultimately generated from printowners-off@printweb.org) SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:: host rb.enter.net [67.62.102.11]: 550 : User unknown in local recipient table ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ Return-path: Received: from mailout04.yourhostingaccount.com ([65.254.254.66]) by seahorse.dnsvelocity.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JvjSw-0007G5-4F for printowners-off@printweb.org; Tue, 13 May 2008 01:38:06 +0000 Received: from [10.1.15.21] (helo=mailscan21.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout04.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1JvjSs-0000M2-Rk for printowners-off@printweb.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 21:38:02 -0400 Received: from impout02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.2] helo=impout02.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan21.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1JvjSr-0001FC-27 for printowners-off@printweb.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 21:38:01 -0400 Received: from authsmtp06.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.6]) by impout02.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id Qpdp1Z00107rVmq0000000; Mon, 12 May 2008 21:37:49 -0400 X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.18.6 X-EN-IMPSID: Qpdp1Z00107rVmq0000000 Received: from adsl-214-134-34.sav.bellsouth.net ([68.214.134.34] helo=[192.168.1.102]) by authsmtp06.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpa (Exim) id 1JvjSf-0006a9-7N for printowners-off@printweb.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 21:37:49 -0400 Message-ID: <482A42C9.9020900@werkheiser.com> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 21:39:21 -0400 From: Bill Werkheiser Reply-To: bill@werkheiser.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: printowners-off@printweb.org Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-EN-UserInfo: 282a53f1dbd739f8e72e6cea811b2bf2:2e4feed4fbe3efb398bc8ccf8fac60d1 X-EN-AuthUser: bill@werkheiser.com Sender: Bill Werkheiser X-EN-OrigIP: 68.214.134.34 X-EN-OrigHost: adsl-214-134-34.sav.bellsouth.net going on vacation where there is no means of communication, see ya when I get back -- Bill Werkheiser http://WeLoveToPrint.com SE PrinTech / Coastal Mailing Services P O Box 27 - 315 E Banks St. Glennville, GA 30427 (912) 654-3610 phone (912) 654-3611 fax > From info at aeroprinting.com Tue May 13 06:55:22 2008 From: info at aeroprinting.com (Carl Core) Date: Tue May 13 19:44:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 5000 Message-ID: <90A97637BD0A4908B636FF2F6655EB75@aero> We are getting a Canon 5000 black & white copier on trial this week from a former Xerox rep who is now with Ikon. They are asking $4212 cash with service at .007 on a "Printers Special". It seems like a very good price. I will check with Larry Hunt as we have in the past. I have never dealt with Ikon and have in the past heard some unsavory things about them here. Our black and white market isn't what it used to be. We are replacing a Xerox 470ST that's been out of service for 2 years with 4 m copies. Anyone have any experience with either the machine or Ikon that you would like to share? Carl Core, Jr. Aero Printing, Inc. 710 Elida Ave Delphos, OH 45833 Ph. 419-695-2931 Fax 419-695-9930 info@aeroprinting.com www.aeroprinting.com From John at mpcny.com Tue May 13 08:23:21 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Tue May 13 19:44:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Inflation Message-ID: <005d01c8b4f4$21ec66e0$65c534a0$@com> Had a talk with the printer I am merging (buying) with. He has always done well investing and follows the market. His take is we are about to enter a time of inflation and rising interest rates. The "recession" is about over and soon will see a pick up. The dollar has hit bottom, housing has been hit hard and coming back up. Why do I bring this up? He tells me it is time to borrow. The cost new equipment is as low as it will be and the terms to buy are also. Each recession he went through they was a time to spend money and be equipped to capitalize. I agree it is now or soon be that time again. Shorty I believe you will see a sharp rise in equipment costs and the rates to buy them I thought I would throw this out here, now you can think about how want to come out and what a 2-3% rise in interest would do if you were buying a building or press? John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1427 - Release Date: 5/11/2008 1:08 PM From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue May 13 08:46:30 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue May 13 19:44:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] pdf color In-Reply-To: References: <000001c8b1d8$b32e2fe0$198a8fa0$@com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620805130546t70c1ce70o9567c7de004fa790@mail.gmail.com> You probably need to disable the "All Spots to Process" option in the Ink Manager. You can get to the Ink Manager during PDF export from the Ouput tab. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com John said: > How can I export a PDF from ID and retain spot colors? From braddpotter at juno.com Tue May 13 10:31:12 2008 From: braddpotter at juno.com (Brad Potter) Date: Tue May 13 19:44:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] test, I have not received my digest emails for like a day... Message-ID: <20080513.073112.13637.1@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Brad Potter Printing Services Inc. www.myprintsource.net Your Printing Super Hero 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A Port Orchard, WA 98366 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax _____________________________________________________________ Click to see huge collection of discounted designer watches. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mdA3MJYaVomE7WYdfZpWHeXT9GfeFrbikvrsMr8pi2EYB5S/?count=1234567890 From greg at ajprinting.com Tue May 13 12:34:59 2008 From: greg at ajprinting.com (Greg Johnston) Date: Tue May 13 19:44:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Upgrade Heid. Prosetter 52 to a 74? Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080513093112.038082e0@ajprinting.com> I realize this may be a needle in the haystack but has anyone had experience doing a field upgrade from Heid. Prosetter 52 to the Prosetter 74 ? Greg Johnston AJ Printing & Graphics 1350 Central Ave #1 Santa Rosa CA 95401 707.525.8600 Fax 707.525.8923 www.ajprinting.com e-mail: greg@ajprinting.com Ask me about how I can help you build your business with our direct mailing services for your marketing needs Authorized Adobe Service Provider Quark Authorized Output Provider From craig at newhavenprint.com Tue May 13 14:31:27 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Tue May 13 19:45:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen for Sale. In-Reply-To: <000301c8b29b$42fbc390$c8f34ab0$@com> Message-ID: <20080513182607.7C5A9F22A27@rb.enter.net> No, it's not mine, and it really pains me that I don't have physical space for it. I'd buy this in a heartbeat for added capacity and backup. It's on eBay. Has about the same number of clicks as mine, but it also has the long sheet feeder and delivery (13.3 x 22.5). They have a "buy it now" for $150k (starting bid of $115k). It would have sold new for somewhere north of $500,000. I'd guess Xerox would charge $30 to $50k to move and install it, but it would still be an amazing deal. http://tinyurl.com/3uzuad Craig Dellinger President New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 8:42 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA is on the list > Importance: High > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Beware Canon has a USA executive lurking on this owners only list. > > Bob has always allowed consultants like John, Steve, Mike and > Mitch here. I encourage that and they all give much to this > group. I know even more only lurk and take, which I do not > like at all. > > I do not recall Mr Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA ever posting > an intro, being invited or contributing. Tell us about > yourself Kohji Kurata. > > I guess we all better watch what we say about Canon... or > better if you have bitch you now have a pipeline! > > P.S. love my Canon ir3200 (getting dated) but would never buy > the replacement ones they have not held up, are just plain > inferior to the KM 6500 and Xerox 242/252/260. The new > 7000/6000 is slick but more than I can afford right now > Hey Mr. Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA > (kkurata@cusa.canon.com) can you cut us a special for PO > memebers? Your now part of the gang > > I guess what I am saying is we have some lurkers here who > should not be and others who are consultants in our industry > and lurk and take, then they never post or contribute. > > Bob I believe, needs let us know what MFG's are lurking and > who is monitoring. God I hope EFI is (Hi Ron T, Mark O and > Guy G) Maybe some of you will have courtesy to come out > and do a intro? It is part of the list rules when you joined. > Maybe something has changed and the list is now open to all. > > We all are here learning, some of discussions are hard > hitting. I know I freely give and take and often bitch, I > will do so if a MFG is here, others may not. > > > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > 125-129 East First Street > Oswego, New York 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 Fax > www.mpcny.com > John@mpcny.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.14/1425 - Release > Date: 5/9/2008 > 12:38 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From slb at inkspot.net Tue May 13 15:07:04 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue May 13 19:45:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need to get a font out of a "suitcase" Message-ID: <4829AE98.18096.48F60AA@slb.inkspot.net> I'm dire straits on a job. I need to extract a font from an OSX "suitcase" so I can convert it to use on a PC in Fusion Pro. Otherwise, I'm going to have to do the imposition and merge manually... (Unless Indesign will merge a csv file to a multiple-up form?) Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From bob at bergey.net Tue May 13 20:04:50 2008 From: bob at bergey.net (Bob Bergey) Date: Tue May 13 20:04:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA is on the list In-Reply-To: <000301c8b29b$42fbc390$c8f34ab0$@com> References: <20080510113215.324D7F1E054@rb.enter.net> <000301c8b29b$42fbc390$c8f34ab0$@com> Message-ID: At 8:42 AM -0400 on 5/10/08, John Henry wrote: > Beware Canon has a USA executive lurking on this owners only list. He has been removed. I do not knowingly let any non-owners on the list, but it has always been, to some extent, an honor system. When you come across one who you suspect is not an owner, don't hesitate to call it to my attention. In this case, Mr. Kurata outed himself with improper use of out-of-office messages. Bob -- ====================================================================== Bob Bergey -- 215-527-1048 -- Perkasie, PA Internet Services for the Printing Industry Web Hosting & E-Mail Services: BERGEY.NET ====================================================================== From sos at olympus.net Tue May 13 20:24:29 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue May 13 20:26:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Air Cleaners References: <200805102338.m4ANcZgB046418@i2bnetworks.com> <000901c8b462$6e0a90c0$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> Message-ID: <012a01c8b558$dfb74aa0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > We are currently looking to install some sort of air filtration system in > our pressroom. I just had a meeting with the local Honeywell dealer and > he recommended the Honeywell F111 unit. It looks to be a good unit but > seems a little pricey. He wants $2670 installed plus I'll need to have an > electrician run service to it. ============================= We have the Island Clean Air Duster 3000, it cost about $5,000. I've never been impressed with it. I guess it sucks up the dust, but you still have to go around wiping dust off everything. It's got the activated charcoal but the press wash still smellsup the whole shop. We have an exhaust fan as well which I think helps more. You've got to change the filters regularly, like every six months. You can vacuum off the coarse outside dust filters, but they still clog after a while. It's on wheels so you can roll it around where you think you need it the most. We never do, it just stays in one place. Mild recommendation. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From bob at bergey.net Tue May 13 21:21:36 2008 From: bob at bergey.net (Bob Bergey) Date: Tue May 13 21:21:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <482A4360.2020806@werkheiser.com> References: <1B970940-1B50-44A7-BE69-9E0F00A4B4E3@ptialaska.net> <482A4360.2020806@werkheiser.com> Message-ID: At 9:41 PM -0400 on 5/13/08, Bill Werkheiser wrote: > OK, I went to printweb.org to unsubscribe so that my auto responder > would not show up and followed directions and here is what I got: Just follow the INFO link at the bottom of any list message to adjust your subscription. The unsub directions you found on that particular page of PrintWeb.org are obsolete -- I didn't realize they were still there. I'll try and get that removed shortly. Bob -- ====================================================================== Bob Bergey -- 215-527-1048 -- Perkasie, PA Internet Services for the Printing Industry Web Hosting & E-Mail Services: BERGEY.NET ====================================================================== From char at themasterspress.com Tue May 13 21:24:55 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue May 13 21:25:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: pricing on KM 6500 and/or CPP 650 In-Reply-To: <000601c8b3c2$bc06aac0$2d01a8c0@ellsworthacer> Message-ID: Scott I am not trying to be ugly, but it is sort of like asking how much do you charge for printing. There are very many different configurations for different rips, different additions to the equipment. If you can be pretty specific of what it is you are looking at with the vendors I can give you what an NAQP price would be. The basic price for a 6500 with a high capacity tray, stapler, Creo would be right around $50,000. Charlene On 5/11/08 6:56 PM, "Scott" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thanks for all the input, and it is very much appreciated. However, one of > the most important things I was looking for are some of the actual purchase > prices you were getting for these machines. I like to know what the " If I > were paying with a bag of cash, how big would the bag have to be?" price is > so I can compare the vendors lease rates with other options. > > Thanks again. > > Sincerely, > > > Scott Vicnaire > President > > Regal Printing & Graphics > www.regalpress.net > > 140 South Main Street > Brewer, Maine 04412 > 207-989-4100 > > 265 Water Street > Ellsworth, Maine 04605 > 207-667-5227 > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:59 AM > Subject: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 33, Issue 5 > > >> Send PrintOwners mailing list submissions to >> printowners@printweb.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> printowners-request@printweb.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> printowners-owner@printweb.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of PrintOwners digest..." >> >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Digest ***** >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: pricing on KM 6500 and/or CPP 650 (Bill Werkheiser) >> 2. Re: pricing on KM 6500 and/or CPP 650 (Jeff Daghir) >> 3. Re: Just got an order for 97, 500 shipped to south Africa >> (scam) (Ian Franks) >> 4. Re: pricing on KM 6500 and/or CPP 650 (Ben Travis) >> 5. Re: Customer confidentiality agreement (Jeff Haines) >> 6. Re: Just got an order for 97, 500 shipped to south Africa >> (scam) (Ian Franks) >> 7. RipIt - Xante MasterCare Service Agreement (Loren Maurina) >> 8. Re: Manual for Challenge Cutter (Tommy Melendez) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 22:35:23 -0400 >> From: Bill Werkheiser >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] pricing on KM 6500 and/or CPP 650 >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Message-ID: <481BCF6B.2030609@werkheiser.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Similar story with a stranger twist. When we started shopping for our KM >> C500, there was only one dealer and it was an hour away so we had little >> negotiation power. We told them what the national pricing was for the >> machine and the service clicks and they said, "no way." Thanks to >> Charlene Sims, we called the KM rep for NAQP who said they would do the >> deal direct. We paid the national price for the machine (saved 8 grand) >> and are paying the NAQP rate. Guess who's servicing the machine? They >> moaned and groaned so much, I believe KM national is paying them the >> difference. I turn my clicks into the national KM, but the local (if you >> want to call it that, they are an hour away) still services the machine. >> That was three years ago. >> >> Bill Werkheiser >> http://WeLoveToPrint.com >> SE PrinTech / Coastal Mailing Services >> P O Box 27 - 315 E Banks St. >> Glennville, GA 30427 >> (912) 654-3610 phone >> (912) 654-3611 fax >> >> >> >> Mitch Eaton wrote: >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Scott, >>> >>> When we were ready to upgrade our Doc 12 last year we were going to go >>> with >>> the KM C500. We did not have a KM dealer in Des Moines at the time we >>> started our shopping, so we started talking to Konica dealers. None of >>> them >>> would meet NAQP pricing on hardware and service. >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 01:05:34 -0400 >> From: "Jeff Daghir" >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] pricing on KM 6500 and/or CPP 650 >> To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" >> >> Message-ID: >> <83d5b9620805012205uc9410f6pf0c42960c3da845d@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >>> 1. Are the KM and IKON models the same box with different labels. If not, >>> what are the differences. >> >> My understanding is that they are essentially the same with the >> exception of minor differences in the configuration of the firmware of >> the machines. I think the toner cartridges are slightly different - >> same toner but different connector on it so that a KM cartridge won't >> work in a Ikon and vice-versa. For the C500 there were some small >> difference between Ikon's Creo rip and KM's Creo rip. >> >> >> >>> 2. I currently have an upgraded RIP, Creo 500, I believe, which I own. >>> Will this work with a new machine? >> >> Nope. Copier rips are specific to the machine they were made for. Buy >> a new copier and you'll have to buy a new rip to go with it. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jeff Daghir >> MPS Printing, Inc. >> "The Ink & Paper People" >> Madison, IN >> www.mpsprinting.com >> jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 07:22:23 +0200 >> From: "Ian Franks" >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Just got an order for 97, 500 shipped to >> south Africa (scam) >> To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" >> >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Brian, >> That address is very close to my shop I will go have a look later. It is >> an >> address of a Hotel and right next to the building site for the Rosebank >> Station for the Gautrain (our own underground). >> >> >> 2008/5/1 Brian O'Day : >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Young Star Shippers who would be coming to your location to >>> pick these flyers up and shipped to my new Orphanage Home thats located >>> in >>> Johannesburg,South Africa.Kindly send them an email through >>> youngstarshippers@gmail.com with the following details and then request >>> for >>> a shipping cost so i can make the subtotal of the flyers and shipping >>> charges together. >>> 1.Total quntity with size and weight of flyers >>> 2.Pickup location(Your Shop) >>> 3.Delivery location which is >>> Gibsons Orphanage Home, Cnr Oxford Road and >>> Tyrwhitt Avenue Rosebank, Johannesburg . >>> I am recommending you to Young Star Shippers because they have handled >>> my >>> shipments before and i am okay with their services.Thanks and i will wait >>> for your prompt response >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Regards >> Ian Franks >> Print Image >> 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo >> Johannesburg, South Africa >> Ph 011 447 3133 >> Fax 011 447 0642 >> sales@printimage.co.za >> www.printimage.co.za >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 07:00:02 -0400 >> From: Ben Travis >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] pricing on KM 6500 and/or CPP 650 >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Message-ID: <7A461D6A-E357-4B26-9D84-5558ACF62125@bellsouth.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes >> >> This is pretty much what I found when I purchased our CP500. >> >> One important item though, is that I was told that nobody but Ikon >> would service the CP machines, where you may have your choice of >> several Konica Minolta dealers with for KM service. >> >> In our case, I was very happy with our existing Ikon service, so I was >> confident in their ability to service our CP500... >> >> Ben Travis >> >> Copy Express >> 4004-A South Blvd. >> Charlotte, NC 20209 >> cpyxpres@bellsouth.net >> 704-527-1750 >> On May 2, 2008, at 1:05 AM, Jeff Daghir wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>>> 1. Are the KM and IKON models the same box with different labels. >>>> If not, what are the differences. >>> >>> My understanding is that they are essentially the same with the >>> exception of minor differences in the configuration of the firmware of >>> the machines. I think the toner cartridges are slightly different - >>> same toner but different connector on it so that a KM cartridge won't >>> work in a Ikon and vice-versa. For the C500 there were some small >>> difference between Ikon's Creo rip and KM's Creo rip. >>> >>> >>> >>>> 2. I currently have an upgraded RIP, Creo 500, I believe, which I >>>> own. Will this work with a new machine? >>> >>> Nope. Copier rips are specific to the machine they were made for. Buy >>> a new copier and you'll have to buy a new rip to go with it. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jeff Daghir >>> MPS Printing, Inc. >>> "The Ink & Paper People" >>> Madison, IN >>> www.mpsprinting.com >>> jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 08:02:13 -0400 >> From: Jeff Haines >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Customer confidentiality agreement >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Message-ID: <20080502120203.17650.29381@hm-pop1.solinus.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed >> >> At 09:40 AM 5/1/2008, you wrote: >>> We have been providing mail services for many >>> years, but I just had a request that has never come up before. >>> >>> A prospect wants us to provide a signed >>> confidentiality agreement which says that we >>> will not disclose their mailing list to anyone. >>> >>> Does anyone have such an agreement handy? >>> >>> Please email it to me, if you are willing to share. >> >> >> I've offered to sign them for clients in the >> past, but no one every went far enough to >> actually present one. I wouldn't hesitate to sign >> on. If you do, I can't imagine why a customer >> would trust you with their mailing list. >> >> Jeff >> >> Haines Printing Co. >> 10575 W. Main Rd. >> North East, PA 16428 >> (814) 725-1955 . Fax (814) 725-2244 >> email: jeff@hprinting.biz . www.hprinting.biz >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 14:29:39 +0200 >> From: "Ian Franks" >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Just got an order for 97, 500 shipped to >> south Africa (scam) >> To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" >> >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Brian >> I went there and there is a Hotel one corner and a school on the other >> corner. >> -- >> Regards >> Ian Franks >> Print Image >> 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo >> Johannesburg, South Africa >> Ph 011 447 3133 >> Fax 011 447 0642 >> sales@printimage.co.za >> www.printimage.co.za >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 09:53:35 -0400 >> From: Loren Maurina >> Subject: [PrintOwners] RipIt - Xante MasterCare Service Agreement >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Message-ID: <64B954C2-D12D-45EE-AE8D-BF344F60CE5B@inkonpaper.biz> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >> >> Those who have this service agreement on the hardware: >> >> Does your contract cover the Vastech processor? >> Or only the Imagesetter? >> >> Loren Maurina >> President >> L & L Printing, Inc. >> dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp >> dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren >> >> ph (586) 263-0060 >> fx (586) 263-4895 >> >> Loren@InkOnPaper.biz >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 09:59:12 -0400 >> From: Tommy Melendez >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Manual for Challenge Cutter >> To: printowners@printweb.org >> Message-ID: <8CA7A73D573F1F4-B6C-58CE@webmail-dd21.sysops.aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Thanks for that Dan!? Day started out bad but that one helped! >> >> >> Copy That, Inc. >> "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" >> 3515 E. Tremont Avenue >> Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >> 718.892.1859 >> 718.892.2315 Fax >> www.copythatnyc.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dan Huntingford >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Sent: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:18 pm >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Manual for Challenge Cutter >> >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >> ? >>> It's really old, so maybe it's 265 square inches? There is a space? >>> between the 2 and the 65, but it looks like it was hand stamped on? >> ======================? >> ? >> Oh for goodness sakes, a Challenge 265 is 26 and a half inches wide. A >> Challenge 305 is 30 and a half inches wide.? >> Those are the two most common cutters in America.? >> ? >> A Polar 66 is 66 millimeters wide or about 26 inches wide. A Polar 78 is . >> . .guess. . . 78 millimeters wide or about 30.5 inches.? >> ? >> And when you push the two buttons the clamp and blade go whooomph.? >> And that's about all I know.? >> ? >> Dan Huntingford? >> SOS Printing? >> 2319 Washington Street? >> Port Townsend, WA 98368? >> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF? >> sos@olympus.net? >> (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 ? >> _______________________________________________? >> PrintOwners Discussion List? >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >> ? >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> End of PrintOwners Digest, Vol 33, Issue 5 >> ****************************************** >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Charlene Sims The Master?s Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 Fax 972-404-0317 Char@themasterspress.com From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com Tue May 13 22:13:14 2008 From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat) Date: Tue May 13 22:13:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6x9 envelope price quote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: John, I checked the pricing on EzMac before I posted the response. If it is wrong I am not going to tell them, but that is the pricing I get when I order. You may want to talk to your MAC salesperson to get you online access to you pricing, that is why I do not order from Xpedex as they still have not given me online pricing. We always get end pricing with everything unless we brake a carton. BTW, do not tell your salesguy that I gave you my price. My salesperson is very good with the price he gives us, we both make money. I do not penny pinch him and treats me good on my regular orders and we cover our minimums for daily delivery. Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com From john at duplicatesink.com Tue May 13 22:15:49 2008 From: john at duplicatesink.com (John Cassidy) Date: Tue May 13 22:16:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need to get a font out of a "suitcase" In-Reply-To: <4829AE98.18096.48F60AA@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <20080514021639.4F933C1F5@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> In Design will merge a text file to a multiple up form. We do it. I don't know how but my graphics manager does. His name is Scott Jelnick reach him at design@duplicatesink.com Warmest Regards, John Cassidy www.duplicatesink.com Print & Communications If you always do what you have always done, you will ALWAYS get what you have ALWAYS got! Try some new creative marketing ideas. Give us a call to discuss your next direct mail marketing project. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 3:07 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Need to get a font out of a "suitcase" ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I'm dire straits on a job. I need to extract a font from an OSX "suitcase" so I can convert it to use on a PC in Fusion Pro. Otherwise, I'm going to have to do the imposition and merge manually... (Unless Indesign will merge a csv file to a multiple-up form?) Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com Tue May 13 22:26:34 2008 From: kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com (Kirk Squiers) Date: Tue May 13 22:26:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA is out of the office. Message-ID: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B1198FA8@fpserver.FP.local> Bet he turns into a 10 at 3:) Kirk K. Squiers Central Michigan Graphics YOU THINK IT! WE INK IT! 1200 E. Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-332-2200 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com Standard turnaround time is 7-10 working days after final approval. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 7:39 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Kohji Kurata/NewYork/CanonUSA is out of the office. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Not to bright for a lurker, no? I give him a 3 on a 10 scale. S. At 01:35 PM 5/9/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >I will be out of the office starting 05/09/2008 and will not return until >05/19/2008. > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3090 (20080509) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From k_graham at hotmail.com Tue May 13 23:45:45 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Tue May 13 23:46:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 5000 References: <90A97637BD0A4908B636FF2F6655EB75@aero> Message-ID: > We are getting a Canon 5000 black & white copier on trial this week from a > former Xerox rep who is now with Ikon. They are asking $4212 cash with > service at .007 on a "Printers Special". It seems like a very good price. > I will check with Larry Hunt as we have in the past. I have never dealt > with Ikon and have in the past heard some unsavory things about them here. > Our black and white market isn't what it used to be. We are replacing a > Xerox 470ST that's been out of service for 2 years with 4 m copies. Anyone > have any experience with either the machine or Ikon that you would like to > share? > > Carl Core, Jr. http://groups.google.com/group/ColorCopier/browse_thread/thread/1a3de76d9c7b1f6e With good service from our current provider where parts are replaced when worn I think we get 200,000 or more copies between service. With Ikon we were at 5000 copies between service. Thats not to say you don't have decent Ikon service there. Signs of a poor dealer in my experience will be clogged or removed air filters and parts replaced beyond recomended life expectancy in the service manual. Have them sign off on any paper you might conceivably use or they may blame the paper. Cross off any printing on the contract not above your signature especially the stuff hidden on back. If on parts and service add a line stating its part of the sale and get a 5 year usage guarantee that they will keep the machine in good condition. Ken Graham Communityprinters.com 250-782-7108 From steve at toledoprinter.com Wed May 14 09:55:49 2008 From: steve at toledoprinter.com (West Printing) Date: Wed May 14 09:55:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] (OFF) East two sheets of vellum bristol and call me in the morning Message-ID: <000001c8b5ca$3d2befd0$b783cf70$@com> Wouldn't be great if someone paid you to think up weird stuff that might sell. Microsoft is just such a company. http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20080509/tc_pcworld/145679;_ylt=Ap_2nk RTxBa3TS66MHyQlagOSLMF Steve Robison West Printing Co. 327 12th Street, Toledo, OH 43604 Ph. 419.246.0857, steve@toledoprinter.com? **************************************** http://www.ToledoPrinter.Com Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider Search Engine Optimization From jacemeister at gmail.com Wed May 14 10:24:13 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Wed May 14 10:24:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Sleeves Message-ID: I have a box of sleeves I will let go for a very good price. They are Rogers Dampening Sleeves #22228 that were for a 25" press I sold this week. I paid over $400 and cannot send them back because my vender is an a$$ . If interested, make an offer. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com From brian at designotype.com Wed May 14 10:42:55 2008 From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen) Date: Wed May 14 10:43:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Air Cleaners References: <200805102338.m4ANcZgB046418@i2bnetworks.com><000901c8b462$6e0a90c0$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> <012a01c8b558$dfb74aa0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <004601c8b5d0$d1ef3900$6a01a8c0@brianspc> I'd like to hear what others have to say about this (island Clean Air system). I know there are others that have it because this issue has been brought up before. We are (were) thinking about getting one lately. Our newest employee is a little concerned about breathing this "print shop air" since she may be having more kids someday and thinks they will come out deformed. Brian Helminen Designotype Printers, Inc. 22950 Airpark Blvd. Calumet, MI 49913 906-482-2424 Fax 906-482-2266 www.designotype.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Huntingford" > We have the Island Clean Air Duster 3000, it cost about $5,000. I've > never been impressed with it. I guess it sucks up the dust, but you still > have to go around wiping dust off everything. It's got the activated > charcoal but the press wash still smellsup the whole shop. We have an > exhaust fan as well which I think helps more. > You've got to change the filters regularly, like every six months. You > can vacuum off the coarse outside dust filters, but they still clog after > a while. It's on wheels so you can roll it around where you think you > need it the most. We never do, it just stays in one place. > > Mild recommendation. > From mike at arborprinting.com Wed May 14 10:56:18 2008 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Wed May 14 10:58:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Air Cleaners References: <200805102338.m4ANcZgB046418@i2bnetworks.com><000901c8b462$6e0a90c0$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local><012a01c8b558$dfb74aa0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <004601c8b5d0$d1ef3900$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Message-ID: <00b701c8b5d2$ab0bdc60$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> We have had an Island Air 3000 for 2 years. it is in the production area of our shop, about 3500 SF, and it has made a difference. Less odor, and less powder. It doesn't eliminate powder, but it cuts down about 80% of it. We blow out our pleated filters once a month, change the outer filters every 60 days,(they are only $6.00 x3 ), and do the lower charcoal every 6 months. The odor filter on the top is about $800.00 and should last 2+ years as long as you are changing the lower charcoal filters, as these do the heavy filtering of odor. All in all, we are pretty happy with it. 8 on a 10pt scale. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com mike@arborprinting.com P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Helminen" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Air Cleaners > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'd like to hear what others have to say about this (island Clean Air > system). I know there are others that have it because this issue has been > brought up before. We are (were) thinking about getting one lately. Our > newest employee is a little concerned about breathing this "print shop > air" since she may be having more kids someday and thinks they will come > out deformed. > > Brian Helminen > Designotype Printers, Inc. > 22950 Airpark Blvd. > Calumet, MI 49913 > 906-482-2424 > Fax 906-482-2266 > www.designotype.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Huntingford" >> We have the Island Clean Air Duster 3000, it cost about $5,000. I've >> never been impressed with it. I guess it sucks up the dust, but you still >> have to go around wiping dust off everything. It's got the activated >> charcoal but the press wash still smellsup the whole shop. We have an >> exhaust fan as well which I think helps more. >> You've got to change the filters regularly, like every six months. You >> can vacuum off the coarse outside dust filters, but they still clog after >> a while. It's on wheels so you can roll it around where you think you >> need it the most. We never do, it just stays in one place. >> >> Mild recommendation. >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From nelsonind at sbcglobal.net Wed May 14 11:18:55 2008 From: nelsonind at sbcglobal.net (Curtis Nelson) Date: Wed May 14 11:19:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 5000 In-Reply-To: References: <90A97637BD0A4908B636FF2F6655EB75@aero> Message-ID: <482B02DF.7070505@sbcglobal.net> Ikon experience - In my second job as a loan officer, we are currently using Ikon for 3 digital copiers. There was a disagreement on the definition in the lease and copier buy-out. I have spent lots and lots of hours on the phone, writing e-mails, etc. They finally decided our company was correct. However, we had to withold making payments for 4 months to get their attention (they would not return our phone calls). It has taken almost three months (after they admitted their mistake) and they still can't get it correct. The Ikon Financial side can't seem to communicate correctly with the Ikon sales side. I have NEVER had so many problems dealing with a company when I am clearly correct. I feel like it will take an act of congress to get it right. I will never deal with them if I have ANY reasonable alternative. I have probably spent over 40 hours dealing with correcting this problem. It is NOT over yet! Furthermore, I would caution anyone to be very sure you both understand words like "co-terminus" , fair market value, etc. Verbal agreements are pretty much worthless when the sales rep who wrote the contract is no longer with the company. A handshake and a clear understanding with a sales rep is not sufficient. The lease/ contract will take precedence. "I'll make sure they understand" from a sales rep is worthless. Billing issues are a complete nightmare with them - get it right the first time! In their behalf, the copiers were well maintained and serviced within 1-2 days of the service call. Curtis Nelson Nelson Industries 438 Reynolds Circle, San Jose, CA 95112 k_graham@hotmail.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> We are getting a Canon 5000 black & white copier on trial this week >> from a former Xerox rep who is now with Ikon. They are asking $4212 >> cash with service at .007 on a "Printers Special". It seems like a >> very good price. I will check with Larry Hunt as we have in the past. >> I have never dealt with Ikon and have in the past heard some unsavory >> things about them here. Our black and white market isn't what it used >> to be. We are replacing a Xerox 470ST that's been out of service for >> 2 years with 4 m copies. Anyone have any experience with either the >> machine or Ikon that you would like to share? >> >> Carl Core, Jr. > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/ColorCopier/browse_thread/thread/1a3de76d9c7b1f6e > > > With good service from our current provider where parts are replaced > when worn I think we get 200,000 or more copies between service. With > Ikon we were at 5000 copies between service. > > Thats not to say you don't have decent Ikon service there. Signs of a > poor dealer in my experience will be clogged or removed air filters > and parts replaced beyond recomended life expectancy in the service > manual. > > Have them sign off on any paper you might conceivably use or they may > blame the paper. > > Cross off any printing on the contract not above your signature > especially the stuff hidden on back. If on parts and service add a > line stating its part of the sale and get a 5 year usage guarantee > that they will keep the machine in good condition. > > > Ken Graham > Communityprinters.com > 250-782-7108 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed May 14 11:42:31 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed May 14 11:42:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Air Cleaners In-Reply-To: <004601c8b5d0$d1ef3900$6a01a8c0@brianspc> References: <200805102338.m4ANcZgB046418@i2bnetworks.com> <000901c8b462$6e0a90c0$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> <012a01c8b558$dfb74aa0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <004601c8b5d0$d1ef3900$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Message-ID: <200805141542.m4EFgcY1080440@i2bnetworks.com> We have one as well (Duster 3000). Dan is right about the dust. We have two large roll up doors that are open from 6:00 AM to when we close, every day. It helps mostly when we have to have the doors closed (when it rains about 5 days a year) and when it gets too hot (about 2 days a year). It does a good job of knocking down the press fumes (especially when using a varnish) but you have to have the additional charcoal filter on top to make it work like it is supposed to when it comes to fumes. One thing about the employee fears (especially ones who become pregnant). Kindly remind them that the nose is a very sensitive thing and can pick up a few molecules of press chemistry which has no correlation to the amount of press chemistry the body must injest, (like a few swigs of blanket wash...ummmm yummy) that might introduce enough of a problem to cause any endangerment to a fetus or reproductive organs. Most people don't get the difference between those two. S. At 07:42 AM 5/14/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I'd like to hear what others have to say about this (island Clean >Air system). I know there are others that have it because this issue >has been brought up before. We are (were) thinking about getting one >lately. Our newest employee is a little concerned about breathing >this "print shop air" since she may be having more kids someday and >thinks they will come out deformed. > >Brian Helminen >Designotype Printers, Inc. >22950 Airpark Blvd. >Calumet, MI 49913 >906-482-2424 >Fax 906-482-2266 >www.designotype.com > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Huntingford" >>We have the Island Clean Air Duster 3000, it cost about >>$5,000. I've never been impressed with it. I guess it sucks up the >>dust, but you still have to go around wiping dust off >>everything. It's got the activated charcoal but the press wash >>still smellsup the whole shop. We have an exhaust fan as well >>which I think helps more. >>You've got to change the filters regularly, like every six >>months. You can vacuum off the coarse outside dust filters, but >>they still clog after a while. It's on wheels so you can roll it >>around where you think you need it the most. We never do, it just >>stays in one place. >> >>Mild recommendation. > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3098 (20080514) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From tstrickland at studiodesignsprinting.com Wed May 14 11:42:59 2008 From: tstrickland at studiodesignsprinting.com (tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com) Date: Wed May 14 11:43:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] EFI/Printsmith Billing References: <200805102338.m4ANcZgB046418@i2bnetworks.com><000901c8b462$6e0a90c0$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local><012a01c8b558$dfb74aa0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <004601c8b5d0$d1ef3900$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Message-ID: <020e01c8b5d9$30332cd0$6800a8c0@TravisComp> Thought I would post what we are dealing with and see if anyone else has had a similar situation with PS. We have not renewed our telephone tech. support with them that was due last Nov 2007. The reason for this is that the very few times we have actually called, their support has been minimum at best. My employees tell me that they are very short with them when we call and have generally offered little help and rush to get them off the phone call. When we got our bill for $600 I decided to just sit on it and see what happened. Finally, someone from EFI called and tried to hustle my bookkeeper into paying the bill...telling her it was overdue etc. I called her and listened to her whole spill and then I mentioned to her that this was for tech support and I wanted to make sure that I had the option to pay or not renew. She really didn't know what to say then but finally agreed. I told her why we hadn't paid and that I couldn't even get someone from PS to call me to discuss these issues. I asked her if she could pass on my complaint and have someone call me. She said she would but of course no one has called me. It's now 7 months later and she keeps calling and bugging me about this bill...she wanted me to email this guy and email that guy with PS and then put something in writing saying I didn't want to renew etc. I finally told her that I wasn't going to do anything else and that they could either call me or just drop me off the support contract. She then told me that it looked like someone called into support back in March and that I would have to pay for that call! Anyway, I hate to drop it but just don't think I have been getting my monies worth. And it still irritates me that I can't put my customers email on our job tickets...I can but I would have to spend $1,000 and buy report writer. Like she cared but I even voiced my opinion to her about that. Anyway just thought I would pass this along and see if anyone else is experiencing the same. Travis Strickland Studio Designs Printing Milledgeville, GA 31061 From sos at olympus.net Wed May 14 12:06:57 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed May 14 12:09:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] EFI/Printsmith Billing References: <200805102338.m4ANcZgB046418@i2bnetworks.com><000901c8b462$6e0a90c0$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local><012a01c8b558$dfb74aa0$6900a8c0@DANIEL><004601c8b5d0$d1ef3900$6a01a8c0@brianspc> <020e01c8b5d9$30332cd0$6800a8c0@TravisComp> Message-ID: <026301c8b5dc$895c4fa0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- Anyway, I hate to drop it but just don't think I have been getting my monies worth. =================== I dropped my maintenance over a year ago and I've never heard from anyone at PrintSmith. I had meant to drop it even a year before that but my bookkeeper paid the bill, so no biggie, I reupped for a year then. They have blackballed me from their email list, or whatever the correct term is. So it's not like they didn't notice. But no one was ever asked if I wouldn't like to renew and update to 8.x Other than sending an invoice, no hear from EFI. Actually I did hear from them about something in a mailing. It was addressed to the former owner, from eleven years ago who was never a PrintSmith customer. I believe they were touting their Variable Data offering in that mailing. I know we all got a good laugh out of it around the shop. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Wed May 14 12:54:54 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Wed May 14 12:55:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 5000 In-Reply-To: <482B02DF.7070505@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20080514165444.KVGA23410.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> I've had the same experience with IKON and will NEVER deal with them again. I withheld payment until they got my billing correct and they turned me in as a late pay and ruined my credit rating!!!! My experience was that as soon as one person got it straightened out, they moved that person to another area and then you had to go all through it again with the new rep. BILLINGS ARE A NIGHTMARE!!!! I had to pay my bookkeeper to go through every bill and make sure it was right and then had to fight with IKON because it was incorrect. They would put tax on supplies, put insurance on our machine that was already insured, etc......... Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Nelson Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:19 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Canon 5000 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Wed May 14 13:02:18 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Wed May 14 13:02:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] EFI/Printsmith Billing In-Reply-To: <020e01c8b5d9$30332cd0$6800a8c0@TravisComp> Message-ID: <20080514170209.MJNP7964.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Boy Travis. The people at Printer's Plan awe awesome to deal with and really care about our problems. So sorry you are having problems. Maybe you should give Tulin and her crew a call and try Printer's Plan and see what you think of it. They have a free demo and you can try it for a year and if you decide you really don't like it, they will cheerfully give you your money back with no hassle. Cora. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From k_graham at hotmail.com Wed May 14 13:11:26 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Wed May 14 13:11:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Air Cleaners References: <200805102338.m4ANcZgB046418@i2bnetworks.com><000901c8b462$6e0a90c0$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local><012a01c8b558$dfb74aa0$6900a8c0@DANIEL><004601c8b5d0$d1ef3900$6a01a8c0@brianspc> <200805141542.m4EFgcY1080440@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: > One thing about the employee fears (especially ones who become pregnant). > Kindly remind them that the nose is a very sensitive thing and can pick up > a few molecules of press chemistry which has no correlation to the amount > of press chemistry the body must injest, (like a few swigs of blanket > wash...ummmm yummy) that might introduce enough of a problem to cause any > endangerment to a fetus or reproductive organs. We have a motorized damper that introduces fresh air to the building, it closes off in winter so that mixed return air has to be above some predetermined figure. The catch is it requires the furnace fan to run continuously. A air to air exchanger might be an even better alternative - I added a venmar ventilation 3000 with Hepa filter at home that filters all incoming air from outside and my wifes allergies pretty much cleared up in a week. On the other hand I find the employees that worry about the fumes are the ones that smoke. Not allowed to in the building try and tell them smoking is the problem - good luck. I've bought a filter mask for one - he never used it but at least I could say to use it. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 From dominick at fmtc.com Wed May 14 14:14:28 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Wed May 14 14:14:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF Searching Message-ID: <482B2C04.7060708@fmtc.com> I have a customer with 12,000 (yes thousand) 3 page files, that need to be PDF, text mode. We can scan, no problem, but is there automated software that will consecutive number right after scanned? Also is there software that can scan "inside" the PDF and search for names? Before I accept the job, want to know if possible. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com From John at mpcny.com Wed May 14 14:16:57 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Wed May 14 14:16:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: EFI/Printsmith Billing In-Reply-To: <20080514171144.81A78F26360@rb.enter.net> References: <20080514171144.81A78F26360@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <003601c8b5ee$b23ff900$16bfeb00$@com> Oh boy I get to jump in again. Funny part it is alleged I am the ONLY person bitching about or spreading rumors of poor service about EFI Printsmith. I dropped my service for many of the same reasons you all have, over 17 months ago. Not one phone call, just some bills. I have never met a more customer service challenge group in my life. They just do not get it. Oh just so you know they claim they improved and hired more people. That was claimed for the past 2 years, so see how much better things are LOL If you wanted to do a case study on not too hire and train CSR's they would be the model. I would love see how they pick these people and only can think human resources is as messed up as EFI management is. Now you guys are in for the fun part. Try and get back on service, you have to pay another Fee to rejoin it! Yes, you pay for at least a back year, for the privilege of renewing + the new contract. Then they dropped the email support so I believe your new lowest rate is $750 a year or higher and you need to pay it twice now to get back on the EFI Christmas card list. P.S. the last kicker is they also want to now auto charge your CC so they have even less contact with you. In fact you sign a contract giving the right to charge you forever or you get billed higher rates. All in the name of better customer service. I have some nice rants on www.mpcny.com.printblogger about EFI if you care for some my other interactions with them. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1432 - Release Date: 5/14/2008 7:49 AM From scottv at fullcircleprintingsolutions.com Wed May 14 14:17:47 2008 From: scottv at fullcircleprintingsolutions.com (Scott) Date: Wed May 14 14:19:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 5000 References: <20080514171144.7932DF2635F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <00de01c8b5ee$e5c36190$0c10a8c0@ellsworthacer> Our experience with IKON has been much the same. We were being over billed, and each month I'd call and be assured a credit would be issued and the problem fixed. The next month's invoices would arrive and still be wrong. Long story short, after 10 months and over $10,000 overpaid, I quit sending them money and refused to resume doing so until the issue was resolved. It took another 12 months for them to get my credit issued. 1.5 years for a seemingly simple fix! The moral of that story is he who holds the money sets the agenda, I guess. To give credit where it's due, IKON service has been excellent. Knowledgeable techs and great response times. FWIW, Scott Vicnaire President Regal Printing & Graphics www.regalpress.net 140 South Main Street Brewer, Maine 04412 207-989-4100 265 Water Street Ellsworth, Maine 04605 207-667-5227 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 1:11 PM Subject: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 33, Issue 31 > Send PrintOwners mailing list submissions to > printowners@printweb.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > printowners-request@printweb.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > printowners-owner@printweb.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of PrintOwners digest..." > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Digest ***** > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Canon 5000 (Curtis Nelson) > 2. Re: Air Cleaners (Scott Cappel) > 3. EFI/Printsmith Billing (tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com) > 4. Re: EFI/Printsmith Billing (Dan Huntingford) > 5. RE: Canon 5000 (Cora) > 6. RE: EFI/Printsmith Billing (Cora) > 7. Re: Air Cleaners (k_graham@hotmail.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 08:18:55 -0700 > From: Curtis Nelson > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Canon 5000 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <482B02DF.7070505@sbcglobal.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Ikon experience - > In my second job as a loan officer, we are currently using Ikon for 3 > digital copiers. There was a disagreement on the definition in the > lease and copier buy-out. I have spent lots and lots of hours on the > phone, writing e-mails, etc. They finally decided our company was > correct. However, we had to withold making payments for 4 months to get > their attention (they would not return our phone calls). It has taken > almost three months (after they admitted their mistake) and they still > can't get it correct. The Ikon Financial side can't seem to communicate > correctly with the Ikon sales side. I have NEVER had so many problems > dealing with a company when I am clearly correct. I feel like it will > take an act of congress to get it right. I will never deal with them if > I have ANY reasonable alternative. I have probably spent over 40 hours > dealing with correcting this problem. It is NOT over yet! > Furthermore, I would caution anyone to be very sure you both > understand words like "co-terminus" , fair market value, etc. Verbal > agreements are pretty much worthless when the sales rep who wrote the > contract is no longer with the company. A handshake and a clear > understanding with a sales rep is not sufficient. The lease/ contract > will take precedence. "I'll make sure they understand" from a sales rep > is worthless. Billing issues are a complete nightmare with them - get > it right the first time! > In their behalf, the copiers were well maintained and serviced within > 1-2 days of the service call. > Curtis Nelson > Nelson Industries > 438 Reynolds Circle, San Jose, CA 95112 > > > k_graham@hotmail.com wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>> We are getting a Canon 5000 black & white copier on trial this week >>> from a former Xerox rep who is now with Ikon. They are asking $4212 >>> cash with service at .007 on a "Printers Special". It seems like a >>> very good price. I will check with Larry Hunt as we have in the past. >>> I have never dealt with Ikon and have in the past heard some unsavory >>> things about them here. Our black and white market isn't what it used >>> to be. We are replacing a Xerox 470ST that's been out of service for >>> 2 years with 4 m copies. Anyone have any experience with either the >>> machine or Ikon that you would like to share? >>> >>> Carl Core, Jr. >> >> >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/ColorCopier/browse_thread/thread/1a3de76d9c7b1f6e >> >> >> With good service from our current provider where parts are replaced >> when worn I think we get 200,000 or more copies between service. With >> Ikon we were at 5000 copies between service. >> >> Thats not to say you don't have decent Ikon service there. Signs of a >> poor dealer in my experience will be clogged or removed air filters >> and parts replaced beyond recomended life expectancy in the service >> manual. >> >> Have them sign off on any paper you might conceivably use or they may >> blame the paper. >> >> Cross off any printing on the contract not above your signature >> especially the stuff hidden on back. If on parts and service add a >> line stating its part of the sale and get a 5 year usage guarantee >> that they will keep the machine in good condition. >> >> >> Ken Graham >> Communityprinters.com >> 250-782-7108 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 08:42:31 -0700 > From: Scott Cappel > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Air Cleaners > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <200805141542.m4EFgcY1080440@i2bnetworks.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > We have one as well (Duster 3000). Dan is right about the dust. We > have two large roll up doors that are open from 6:00 AM to when we > close, every day. It helps mostly when we have to have the doors > closed (when it rains about 5 days a year) and when it gets too hot > (about 2 days a year). It does a good job of knocking down the press > fumes (especially when using a varnish) but you have to have the > additional charcoal filter on top to make it work like it is supposed > to when it comes to fumes. > > One thing about the employee fears (especially ones who become > pregnant). Kindly remind them that the nose is a very sensitive thing > and can pick up a few molecules of press chemistry which has no > correlation to the amount of press chemistry the body must injest, > (like a few swigs of blanket wash...ummmm yummy) that might introduce > enough of a problem to cause any endangerment to a fetus or > reproductive organs. > > Most people don't get the difference between those two. > > S. > > > > At 07:42 AM 5/14/2008, you wrote: >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>I'd like to hear what others have to say about this (island Clean >>Air system). I know there are others that have it because this issue >>has been brought up before. We are (were) thinking about getting one >>lately. Our newest employee is a little concerned about breathing >>this "print shop air" since she may be having more kids someday and >>thinks they will come out deformed. >> >>Brian Helminen >>Designotype Printers, Inc. >>22950 Airpark Blvd. >>Calumet, MI 49913 >>906-482-2424 >>Fax 906-482-2266 >>www.designotype.com >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Huntingford" >>>We have the Island Clean Air Duster 3000, it cost about >>>$5,000. I've never been impressed with it. I guess it sucks up the >>>dust, but you still have to go around wiping dust off >>>everything. It's got the activated charcoal but the press wash >>>still smellsup the whole shop. We have an exhaust fan as well >>>which I think helps more. >>>You've got to change the filters regularly, like every six >>>months. You can vacuum off the coarse outside dust filters, but >>>they still clog after a while. It's on wheels so you can roll it >>>around where you think you need it the most. We never do, it just >>>stays in one place. >>> >>>Mild recommendation. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >>__________ NOD32 3098 (20080514) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com >> > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 11:42:59 -0400 > From: > Subject: [PrintOwners] EFI/Printsmith Billing > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Message-ID: <020e01c8b5d9$30332cd0$6800a8c0@TravisComp> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thought I would post what we are dealing with and see if anyone else has > had a similar situation with PS. We have not renewed our telephone tech. > support with them that was due last Nov 2007. The reason for this is that > the very few times we have actually called, their support has been minimum > at best. My employees tell me that they are very short with them when we > call and have generally offered little help and rush to get them off the > phone call. When we got our bill for $600 I decided to just sit on it and > see what happened. Finally, someone from EFI called and tried to hustle my > bookkeeper into paying the bill...telling her it was overdue etc. I called > her and listened to her whole spill and then I mentioned to her that this > was for tech support and I wanted to make sure that I had the option to > pay or not renew. She really didn't know what to say then but finally > agreed. I told her why we hadn't paid and that I couldn't even get someone > from PS to call me to discuss thes > e issues. I asked her if she could pass on my complaint and have someone > call me. She said she would but of course no one has called me. It's now > 7 months later and she keeps calling and bugging me about this bill...she > wanted me to email this guy and email that guy with PS and then put > something in writing saying I didn't want to renew etc. I finally told her > that I wasn't going to do anything else and that they could either call me > or just drop me off the support contract. She then told me that it looked > like someone called into support back in March and that I would have to > pay for that call! > > Anyway, I hate to drop it but just don't think I have been getting my > monies worth. And it still irritates me that I can't put my customers > email on our job tickets...I can but I would have to spend $1,000 and buy > report writer. Like she cared but I even voiced my opinion to her about > that. Anyway just thought I would pass this along and see if anyone else > is experiencing the same. > > Travis Strickland > Studio Designs Printing > Milledgeville, GA 31061 > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 09:06:57 -0700 > From: "Dan Huntingford" > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] EFI/Printsmith Billing > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Message-ID: <026301c8b5dc$895c4fa0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > ----- Original Message ----- Anyway, I hate to drop it but just don't > think > I have been getting my monies worth. > =================== > > I dropped my maintenance over a year ago and I've never heard from anyone > at > PrintSmith. I had meant to drop it even a year before that but my > bookkeeper paid the bill, so no biggie, I reupped for a year then. They > have > blackballed me from their email list, or whatever the correct term is. So > it's not like they didn't notice. But no one was ever asked if I wouldn't > like to renew and update to 8.x Other than sending an invoice, no hear > from EFI. > > Actually I did hear from them about something in a mailing. It was > addressed to the former owner, from eleven years ago who was never a > PrintSmith customer. I believe they were touting their Variable Data > offering in that mailing. I know we all got a good laugh out of it around > the shop. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 11:54:54 -0500 > From: "Cora" > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Canon 5000 > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Message-ID: > <20080514165444.KVGA23410.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I've had the same experience with IKON and will NEVER deal with them > again. > > I withheld payment until they got my billing correct and they turned me in > as a late pay and ruined my credit rating!!!! > > My experience was that as soon as one person got it straightened out, they > moved that person to another area and then you had to go all through it > again with the new rep. BILLINGS ARE A NIGHTMARE!!!! I had to pay my > bookkeeper to go through every bill and make sure it was right and then > had > to fight with IKON because it was incorrect. They would put tax on > supplies, > put insurance on our machine that was already insured, etc......... > > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora and Bernie Purvine > 5801 W. Juno Street > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > cpurvine1@cox.net > Microsoft Service Provider > Member NAQP > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Nelson > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:19 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Canon 5000 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:02:18 -0500 > From: "Cora" > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] EFI/Printsmith Billing > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Message-ID: > <20080514170209.MJNP7964.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Boy Travis. The people at Printer's Plan awe awesome to deal with and > really > care about our problems. So sorry you are having problems. Maybe you > should > give Tulin and her crew a call and try Printer's Plan and see what you > think > of it. > > They have a free demo and you can try it for a year and if you decide you > really don't like it, they will cheerfully give you your money back with > no > hassle. > > Cora. > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora and Bernie Purvine > 5801 W. Juno Street > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > cpurvine1@cox.net > Microsoft Service Provider > Member NAQP > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 10:11:26 -0700 > From: > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Air Cleaners > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > >> One thing about the employee fears (especially ones who become pregnant). >> Kindly remind them that the nose is a very sensitive thing and can pick >> up >> a few molecules of press chemistry which has no correlation to the amount >> of press chemistry the body must injest, (like a few swigs of blanket >> wash...ummmm yummy) that might introduce enough of a problem to cause any >> endangerment to a fetus or reproductive organs. > > We have a motorized damper that introduces fresh air to the building, it > closes off in winter so that mixed return air has to be above some > predetermined figure. The catch is it requires the furnace fan to run > continuously. > > A air to air exchanger might be an even better alternative - I added a > venmar ventilation 3000 with Hepa filter at home that filters all incoming > air from outside and my wifes allergies pretty much cleared up in a week. > > On the other hand I find the employees that worry about the fumes are the > ones that smoke. Not allowed to in the building try and tell them smoking > is the problem - good luck. I've bought a filter mask for one - he never > used it but at least I could say to use it. > > Ken Graham > CommunityPrinters.com > 250-782-7108 > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > End of PrintOwners Digest, Vol 33, Issue 31 > ******************************************* > From robin at protypeonline.com Wed May 14 14:22:02 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed May 14 14:22:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tiny Fold - HELP! Message-ID: We have a Baum 714 air feed and also a Horizon PF-S315 and neither of them can fold a 2" fold. We have 2500 sheets that are 4" x 5.5" that need to be tri-folded. We really do not want to score them twice and then fold them manually. What do we do and what machine can do a job like this. One of our larger, maybe our largest?, customer said they will be doing "lots" of these in the future. And, of course, as most of their orders are -- short turn-around and lots of bindery and packaging. These 2500 pieces get shrink wrapped in 25's -- and it is Wed. and the job is due on Friday! What machine or HOW? Robin Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 Wright Printing Company 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed May 14 14:31:36 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed May 14 14:31:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF Searching In-Reply-To: <482B2C04.7060708@fmtc.com> References: <482B2C04.7060708@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <200805141831.m4EIVhtl018185@i2bnetworks.com> Acrobat Pro already as a very robust search function built in, most people are unaware of this. Read through the help menu about the search function, you'll be pleasantly surprised. As far a scan to PDF, after the scan, you should be able to use the Acrobat OCR function and then use the search function on the OCR'd text. Although I've never actually tried this, you might want to scan a test document to see if it works. We use the find function regularly as a strategic sales tool (I showed Jeff when he was out here how to do this, he might want to comment) but only on natively generated PDF's, not scanned PDF's. It would be good for you to try this and let us all know whether it works. S. At 11:14 AM 5/14/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I have a customer with 12,000 (yes thousand) 3 page files, that need >to be PDF, text mode. > >We can scan, no problem, but is there automated software that will >consecutive number right after scanned? > >Also is there software that can scan "inside" the PDF and search for names? > >Before I accept the job, want to know if possible. > >Joe Dominick > >Dominick's Quality Printing >542 W. Idaho Avenue >Ontario Oregon 97914 >541.881.1121 >Fax 541.881.1599 > >www.dominicksprinting.com >dominick@fmtc.com >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3099 (20080514) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From jodib at blackfoot.net Wed May 14 14:34:14 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Wed May 14 14:34:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tiny Fold - HELP! References: Message-ID: <012201c8b5f1$1c856870$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Robin: will it do at least one of the folds 2"....we have the 714 also and I see that it will do (up to) 2". If you got the one fold done and then hand folded the second? A pain I know. Do you have any companies in town that you can outsource the hand folding to? We have a business here in town that employs handicapped folks that we try and outsource some of our bigger bindery jobs to.Excellent quality control. Or is there a mailing house that could handle this? We Also work with a temp agency. Maybe that would get you through for this first job while you research other options for the future ??? Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Niewold" To: "printowners printowners" Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:22 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Tiny Fold - HELP! > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have a Baum 714 air feed and also a Horizon PF-S315 and neither of > them can fold a 2" fold. We have 2500 sheets that are 4" x 5.5" that need > to be tri-folded. > We really do not want to score them twice and then fold them manually. > What do we do and what machine can do a job like this. One of our larger, > maybe our largest?, customer said they will be doing "lots" of these in > the future. And, of course, as most of their orders are -- short > turn-around and lots of bindery and packaging. These 2500 pieces get > shrink wrapped in 25's -- and it is Wed. and the job is due on Friday! > > What machine or HOW? > > Robin > > > Robin Niewold > robin@protypeonline.com > > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > > Wright Printing Company > 203 North Street > Normal, IL 61761 > 309.452.4409 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From brian at mousegraphics.com Wed May 14 14:36:24 2008 From: brian at mousegraphics.com (Brian Perkinson) Date: Wed May 14 14:36:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF Searching In-Reply-To: <200805141831.m4EIVhtl018185@i2bnetworks.com> References: <482B2C04.7060708@fmtc.com> <200805141831.m4EIVhtl018185@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <482B3128.5080207@mousegraphics.com> Scott Cappel wrote: > > As far a scan to PDF, after the scan, you should be able to use the > Acrobat OCR function and then use the search function on the OCR'd text. > > Although I've never actually tried this, you might want to scan a test > document to see if it works. > I use this feature quite often. Having nothing to compare it to, I'd say it works extremely well. Brian -- Brian Perkinson Mousegraphics 1414 W 14th St Tempe, AZ 85281 480-894-1992 1-888-88 MOUSE brian@mousegraphics.com www.mousegraphics.com From tufelkinder at gmail.com Wed May 14 14:36:48 2008 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Wed May 14 14:36:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF Searching In-Reply-To: <482B2C04.7060708@fmtc.com> References: <482B2C04.7060708@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0805141136h1c9b4f62h71661bfa5359e54e@mail.gmail.com> Acrobat's OCR feature is very nice, actually. Not perfect, of course, but on decent originals it's probably in the 95+% accuracy range. I'm not sure what you mean by consecutive number right after scan... Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA 800-955-3902 http://mercersburg.net tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ What color is a chameleon on a mirror? From dgtday at aol.com Wed May 14 14:41:20 2008 From: dgtday at aol.com (dgtday@aol.com) Date: Wed May 14 14:41:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tiny Fold - HELP! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA84093C69A95F-A58-2D6F@webmail-ne15.sysops.aol.com> You need a pharmaceutical folder. Stahl or MBO. Very expensive for small folds. But built rock solid. That is why binderies is where you will find them. David Youngs DGT Orange, CA -----Original Message----- From: Robin Niewold To: printowners printowners Sent: Wed, 14 May 2008 11:22 am Subject: [PrintOwners] Tiny Fold - HELP! ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? We have a Baum 714 air feed and also a Horizon PF-S315 and neither of them can fold a 2" fold. We have 2500 sheets that are 4" x 5.5" that need to be tri-folded.? We really do not want to score them twice and then fold them manually. What do we do and what machine can do a job like this. One of our larger, maybe our largest?, customer said they will be doing "lots" of these in the future. And, of course, as most of their orders are -- short turn-around and lots of bindery and packaging. These 2500 pieces get shrink wrapped in 25's -- and it is Wed. and the job is due on Friday!? ? What machine or HOW?? ? Robin? ? Robin Niewold? robin@protypeonline.com? ? Pro-Type Printing, Inc.? 130 N. Market Street? Paxton, IL 60957? 217.379.4715? ? Wright Printing Company? 203 North Street? Normal, IL 61761? 309.452.4409? ? ? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From sos at olympus.net Wed May 14 14:41:49 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed May 14 14:43:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tiny Fold - HELP! References: Message-ID: <02af01c8b5f2$2b6ebd90$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Niewold" > We have a Baum 714 air feed and also a Horizon PF-S315 and neither of > them can fold a 2" fold. We have 2500 sheets that are 4" x 5.5" that need > to be tri-folded. ======================== You need a Mini folder or Pharmaceutical folder (i.e. the most common use is for those little instruction sheets that come inside the one inch box of medicine.) Start calling commercial binderies until you find one with one of those kind of folders. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From kellycrom at gmail.com Wed May 14 14:46:32 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Wed May 14 14:46:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tiny Fold - HELP! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005201c8b5f2$d51363f0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> I'm not exactly sure what "type" or brand of folder to get, but if you have some local trade bindery sources, check to see if any of them do "pharmaceutical" folding(miniature folding). We have a couple sources here, and I have found that if the quantity is more than about 1500, it is cheap enough to send out. If it's less than 1500 pieces, then it makes more sense to hand fold them. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 1:22 PM > To: printowners printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] Tiny Fold - HELP! > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have a Baum 714 air feed and also a Horizon PF-S315 and > neither of > them can fold a 2" fold. We have 2500 sheets that are 4" x 5.5" that > need to be tri-folded. > We really do not want to score them twice and then fold them > manually. > What do we do and what machine can do a job like this. One of our > larger, maybe our largest?, customer said they will be doing > "lots" of > these in the future. And, of course, as most of their orders are -- > short turn-around and lots of bindery and packaging. These > 2500 pieces > get shrink wrapped in 25's -- and it is Wed. and the job is due on > Friday! > > What machine or HOW? > > Robin > > > Robin Niewold > robin@protypeonline.com > > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > > Wright Printing Company > 203 North Street > Normal, IL 61761 > 309.452.4409 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed May 14 14:47:30 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed May 14 14:47:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tiny Fold - HELP! Message-ID: In a message dated 5/14/2008 2:24:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, robin@protypeonline.com writes: We have a Baum 714 air feed and also a Horizon PF-S315 and neither of them can fold a 2" fold. We have 2500 sheets that are 4" x 5.5" that need to be tri-folded. We really do not want to score them twice and then fold them manually. Robin, If you are talking about folding along the 5.5" length and you are trying to tri-fold that length then you are really talking about at least one panel folding at 1 7/8." Just for the hell of it I went back and cut some 4 x 5.5" stock down and found that with our older Baum, floor-model 20 x 26 pile feed it required that at least one of the gates be set to the smallest setting possible. There was no room to tweak the fold at all..... it looked pretty good but there was absolutely no room left to make a micro adjustment. I don't have a manual for the Baum but I suspect it might actually be a 2" min., although as I said I was able to fold the sheets. I did not try feeding a stack of the paper, just feeding one at a time on the table. Just my thoughts. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed May 14 14:48:24 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed May 14 14:48:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tiny Fold - HELP! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200805141848.m4EImVQ2021877@i2bnetworks.com> We have a trade bindery in town that has a Vijuk pharmaceutical folder for exactly this purpose...we're lucky. They're very expensive to own unless you do a ton of this kind of work. You should be able to call Vijuk and find a trade bindery in Chicago that you could work with. Then you have to have a conversation with your client to get their expectation level in line with the available resources in the marketplace. http://www.vijukequip.com S. At 11:22 AM 5/14/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We have a Baum 714 air feed and also a Horizon PF-S315 and neither of >them can fold a 2" fold. We have 2500 sheets that are 4" x 5.5" that >need to be tri-folded. >We really do not want to score them twice and then fold them manually. >What do we do and what machine can do a job like this. One of our >larger, maybe our largest?, customer said they will be doing "lots" of >these in the future. And, of course, as most of their orders are -- >short turn-around and lots of bindery and packaging. These 2500 pieces >get shrink wrapped in 25's -- and it is Wed. and the job is due on >Friday! > >What machine or HOW? > >Robin > > >Robin Niewold >robin@protypeonline.com > >Pro-Type Printing, Inc. >130 N. Market Street >Paxton, IL 60957 >217.379.4715 > >Wright Printing Company >203 North Street >Normal, IL 61761 >309.452.4409 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3099 (20080514) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Wed May 14 14:48:23 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Wed May 14 14:48:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 33, Issue 32 In-Reply-To: <20080514182226.6D57FF26690@rb.enter.net> References: <20080514182226.6D57FF26690@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Robin, you want a pharmaceutical folder by MBO, Stahl, Vijuk or: Which has a minimum fold length of 0.8" And you want the job finished by Friday? On May 14, 2008, at 1:22 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > [PrintOwners] Tiny Fold - HELP! > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > > > We have a Baum 714 air feed and also a Horizon PF-S315 and neither > of them can fold a 2" fold. We have 2500 sheets that are 4" x 5.5" > that need to be tri-folded. > We really do not want to score them twice and then fold them > manually. What do we do and what machine can do a job like this. One > of our larger, maybe our largest?, customer said they will be doing > "lots" of these in the future. And, of course, as most of their > orders are -- short turn-around and lots of bindery and packaging. > These 2500 pieces get shrink wrapped in 25's -- and it is Wed. and > the job is due on Friday! > > What machine or HOW? > > Robin Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From John at mpcny.com Wed May 14 14:50:00 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Wed May 14 14:49:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Tiny Fold - HELP! In-Reply-To: <20080514182226.8C602F26692@rb.enter.net> References: <20080514182226.8C602F26692@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <000301c8b5f3$505187e0$f0f497a0$@com> Robin, Stalh and others make what is called a Mini-folder for Pharmaceutical Type Folds. Most bindery houses have them so farm it out, to you find one to buy. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1432 - Release Date: 5/14/2008 7:49 AM From sos at olympus.net Wed May 14 14:50:51 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed May 14 14:53:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF Searching References: <482B2C04.7060708@fmtc.com> <200805141831.m4EIVhtl018185@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <02b801c8b5f3$6e979f50$6900a8c0@DANIEL> We've scanned a few fairly large documents into PDF and used the OCR there and then saved as Word documents. It's worked fine. Not perfect, depending of what typeface and quality the originals are in, but pretty darned good. My daughter had been writing a book for weeks and one day her file was simply gone. Totally and completely vanished, I used the way back machine to take the computer back a week, still wasn't there. She'd been working on it, off and on for weeks. I have no idea how it could have vanished. But anyway, she had a printed version from not that long back which I scanned and resurected for her. She was almost in tears the whole time. . . "Don't worry sweety, Dad will save the day." Which I did. She's got some local authors helping with the editing now and they are encouraging her to submit it for publication. She's 13 by the way. I'm kind of proud. It's about kids who go back in time and try to save the Titanic from sinking. Any who, yeah, Acrobat is pretty cool. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From jdaghir at gmail.com Wed May 14 15:03:31 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Wed May 14 15:03:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tiny Fold - HELP! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83d5b9620805141203y581f4426xa40daa687950b472@mail.gmail.com> I think what you need is called a miniature folder or a pharmaceutical folder. Vijuk and Stahl make them and possibly MBO and other folder manufactures do also. With a little bit of searching you might be able to find a trade bindery in Chicago or St. Louis that has one. But for the job you've got now the only thing I can suggest is a score and manual fold. http://www.vijukequip.com/sva.html -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Robin said: > We have a Baum 714 air feed and also a Horizon PF-S315 and neither of them > can fold a 2" fold. We have 2500 sheets that are 4" x 5.5" that need to be > tri-folded. From stalprint at charter.net Wed May 14 15:07:51 2008 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Wed May 14 15:08:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tiny Fold - HELP! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <482B3887.8010206@charter.net> 3 options: # 1 I THINK this will work - believe I have done it before. On your 714 - put the long fold on the first plate. That should not be a problem. Make a "shim" out of chipboard. Several (5?) sheets 10" x 2" taped together. This shim will go between the plates and against the moveable guide on the second/bottom fold plate. Put the guide on about 3 3/4" and the shim will stop the sheet shorter that the guide without the shim. # 2 Farm out to http://www.pharmagraphics.com/about-us.php # 3 I saw a tabletop folder at the Chicago show designed for this. It was a little slow, but it seemed to work. Best I can remember cost was about $ 5,000 Do not remember the brand, but I can go through my "stuff" and look for if you need the info Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have a Baum 714 air feed and also a Horizon PF-S315 and neither of > them can fold a 2" fold. We have 2500 sheets that are 4" x 5.5" that > need to be tri-folded. > We really do not want to score them twice and then fold them > manually. What do we do and what machine can do a job like this. One > of our larger, maybe our largest?, customer said they will be doing > "lots" of these in the future. And, of course, as most of their > orders are -- short turn-around and lots of bindery and packaging. > These 2500 pieces get shrink wrapped in 25's -- and it is Wed. and > the job is due on Friday! > > What machine or HOW? > > Robin > > > Robin Niewold > robin@protypeonline.com > > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > > Wright Printing Company > 203 North Street > Normal, IL 61761 > 309.452.4409 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed May 14 15:14:51 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed May 14 15:15:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tiny Fold - HELP! Message-ID: In a message dated 5/14/2008 3:10:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, stalprint@charter.net writes: # 1 I THINK this will work - believe I have done it before. On your 714 - put the long fold on the first plate. That should not be a problem. Make a "shim" out of chipboard. Several (5?) sheets 10" x 2" taped together. This shim will go between the plates and against the moveable guide on the second/bottom fold plate. Put the guide on about 3 3/4" and the shim will stop the sheet shorter that the guide without the shim. Mark, Very clever! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) From tracy at commercialpressink.com Wed May 14 15:15:14 2008 From: tracy at commercialpressink.com (Tracy Charleson) Date: Wed May 14 15:15:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Currency Reproductions Message-ID: <68218D9F-C8FD-4B43-9C4D-E4F7A359C52D@commercialpressink.com> Good Afternoon to my panel of experts! We have a used car salesman/owner that wants to do a coupon with a reproduction of a $50.00 bill front & back with some copy changes of course added in. I found instructions that say "Reproductions of US currency in color or black and white is permitted as long as the reproductions are less than three-fourths or more than one and one-half the size of the orignall and one-sided. Size restrictions apply whether using the whole or a portion of any bill. Additionally, care must be taken to dispose of negatives, scans, or other materials used in creating the reproductions. Problem 1) He wants this coupon to be two sided using both sides of the $50.00 bill Problem 2) The originall measures measures 6 1/16" x 2 5/16". The customer wants it the same as his sample which is 7 1/2" x 3 1/4". We told him we can't do this and he is throwing a fit. Are we correct? Or am I misunderstanding something. Thanks for your help on this! Tracy "Did you know...;. When you shop locally-owned businesses, your money is re-circulated over and over and creates up to 75% more tax revenue to our community and state." Tracy Charleson Commercial Press, Inc. 216 Cowan Road Canton, New York 13617 Phone: (315) 386-3431 Fax: (315) 386-5259 email: info@commercialpressink.com http://www.commercialpressink.com From jacemeister at gmail.com Wed May 14 15:26:35 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Wed May 14 15:26:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: EFI/Printsmith Billing In-Reply-To: <003601c8b5ee$b23ff900$16bfeb00$@com> References: <20080514171144.81A78F26360@rb.enter.net> <003601c8b5ee$b23ff900$16bfeb00$@com> Message-ID: It's well worth the subscription price to belong to this list just to get to read John's emails about EFI . Where else can you get this much entertainment for the price? -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 1:16 PM, John Henry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Oh boy I get to jump in again. Funny part it is alleged I am the ONLY > person > bitching about or spreading rumors of poor service about EFI Printsmith. > > I dropped my service for many of the same reasons you all have, over 17 > months ago. Not one phone call, just some bills. > > I have never met a more customer service challenge group in my life. They > just do not get it. Oh just so you know they claim they improved and hired > more people. That was claimed for the past 2 years, so see how much better > things are LOL If you wanted to do a case study on not too hire and train > CSR's they would be the model. I would love see how they pick these people > and only can think human resources is as messed up as EFI management is. > > Now you guys are in for the fun part. Try and get back on service, you have > to pay another Fee to rejoin it! Yes, you pay for at least a back year, for > the privilege of renewing + the new contract. Then they dropped the email > support so I believe your new lowest rate is $750 a year or higher and you > need to pay it twice now to get back on the EFI Christmas card list. > > P.S. the last kicker is they also want to now auto charge your CC so they > have even less contact with you. In fact you sign a contract giving the > right to charge you forever or you get billed higher rates. All in the name > of better customer service. > > I have some nice rants on www.mpcny.com.printblogger about EFI if you care > for some my other interactions with them. > > > > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > 125-129 East First Street > Oswego, New York 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 Fax > www.mpcny.com > John@mpcny.com > > From robin at protypeonline.com Wed May 14 15:31:53 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed May 14 15:32:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tiny Fold - HELP! Message-ID: <4C3605B2-3111-4A18-A999-A20EC3F8EAF6@protypeonline.com> thanks everyone -- we don't have any trade binderies even remotely close to us so turnaround would be too long. In keeping with my philosophy of selling what we CAN do -- I told my csr to call this customer and tell them right now we can only fold a min. of 6" and if she needs them this Friday, she needs to change her finished sheet size. I have not heard back yet, but I think it worked. or I HOPE it will work! :) Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 Wright Printing Company 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From bill at mauiprintworks.com Wed May 14 15:39:14 2008 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Wed May 14 15:39:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rx pads, Is Dr's license # required? Message-ID: <6B0C6D73-9BBE-460A-8EF8-32535F9966B5@mauiprintworks.com> A Dentist we do prescription pads for just got pricing from us using the new Security Paper and they have a question. Does anyone know if there's any requirement to have the Doctors license # ... on the prescription form? Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793 bill@mauiprintworks.com 808-242-6634 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed May 14 15:42:37 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed May 14 15:42:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Currency Reproductions Message-ID: In a message dated 5/14/2008 3:17:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tracy@commercialpressink.com writes: Problem 1) He wants this coupon to be two sided using both sides of the $50.00 bill Problem 2) The original measures measures 6 1/16" x 2 5/16". The customer wants it the same as his sample which is 7 1/2" x 3 1/4". We told him we can't do this and he is throwing a fit. Are we correct? Or am I misunderstanding something. Thanks for your help on this! Tracy Tracy, The basic problem here is you are dealing with an asshole, which is a synonym for used car salesmen. In any event, I would just give him the phone number of the local Secret Service office and have him call them and describe what he wants to do and get the Ok from them, which of course he will never get. Years ago we decided to print our own currency. We purchased 100% cotton paper, and then tinted it light yellowish-green. We then imprinted green and blue threads throughout the sheet. We then purchased borders from Goes and created our own currency for Paragon. We used a photo of our building on one side and photos of the CSR's on the other sides for $5, $10 and $20 denominations. We imprinted the same serial number all the bills which were printed six up as I recall. Slogan in upper left on one side said "this note is legal tender for all debts incurred at Paragon Printing." I got to sign my name down in lower right as treasurer. Bottom line is the currency, from many respects, looked damn real.... it was sort of like I had my own country and this was my currency. Which was the defense I was going to use if I ever received a call from the Secret Service which I never did. Why did we go to all this trouble? We used the currency in a lot of promotional stuff later, using it to thank customers, solicit testimonials, etc. We would just enclose a $10 or $20 bill and tell them to bring it with them or send it in and apply it against their next invoice. The only time I ever received a phone call from the Secret Service was when a customer apparently called them and told them we were printing sheets of $1 bills.... of course he got that idea because we were displaying an un-cut sheet of 16 $1 bills in our display rack up in the front office. Occasionally, a customer would be looking through all the samples and then in the middle would come across our sheet of currency... they would often ask did we print these, and we would respond, "Yes, the Treasury Dept. has a contest every six months open to printers, and the winner gets a free trip to D.C." You just won't believe how stupid some customers can be! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) From dominick at fmtc.com Wed May 14 15:44:32 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Wed May 14 15:44:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rx pads, Is Dr's license # required? In-Reply-To: <6B0C6D73-9BBE-460A-8EF8-32535F9966B5@mauiprintworks.com> References: <6B0C6D73-9BBE-460A-8EF8-32535F9966B5@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: <482B4120.3030501@fmtc.com> Depends on the state. For us, it is on the form. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! Maui Print Works wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > A Dentist we do prescription pads for just got pricing from us using > the new Security Paper and they have a question. > Does anyone know if there's any requirement to have the Doctors > license # ... on the prescription form? > > Bill Marsh > Maui Print Works > 70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793 > bill@mauiprintworks.com > 808-242-6634 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From printer at ptialaska.net Wed May 14 15:24:59 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Wed May 14 15:47:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Currency Reproductions In-Reply-To: <68218D9F-C8FD-4B43-9C4D-E4F7A359C52D@commercialpressink.com> References: <68218D9F-C8FD-4B43-9C4D-E4F7A359C52D@commercialpressink.com> Message-ID: On May 14, 2008, at 11:15 AM, Tracy Charleson wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Good Afternoon to my panel of experts! > We have a used car salesman/owner that wants to do a coupon with a > reproduction of a $50.00 bill front & back with some copy changes of > course added in. > > I found instructions that say "Reproductions of US currency in color > or black and white is permitted as long as the reproductions are > less than three-fourths or more than one and one-half the size of > the orignall and one-sided. Size restrictions apply whether using > the whole or a portion of any bill. Additionally, care must be taken > to dispose of negatives, scans, or other materials used in creating > the reproductions. > > Problem 1) He wants this coupon to be two sided using both sides of > the $50.00 bill > Problem 2) The originall measures measures 6 1/16" x 2 5/16". The > customer wants it the same as his sample which is 7 1/2" x 3 1/4". > We told him we can't do this and he is throwing a fit. REPLY: If he is throwing a fit, dont do it. Let him go elsewhere, if he does not trust his printer (and he is a used car salesman), then send him to Kinkos... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Wed May 14 16:11:26 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Wed May 14 16:11:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rx pads, Is Dr's license # required? In-Reply-To: <482B4120.3030501@fmtc.com> References: <6B0C6D73-9BBE-460A-8EF8-32535F9966B5@mauiprintworks.com> <482B4120.3030501@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <54DF24AE-84A2-4CDB-839E-A839307B928A@inkonpaper.biz> We print thousands of pad. Some have the DEA # preprinted - some do not. My understanding is the DEA number must be on the pad when it gets to the pharmacy. Preprinted or hand written is up to the Dr. Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz On May 14, 2008, at 3:44 PM, Dominick's Printing wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Depends on the state. For us, it is on the form. > > Joe Dominick > > Dominick's Quality Printing > 542 W. Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > 541.881.1121 > Fax 541.881.1599 > > www.dominicksprinting.com > dominick@fmtc.com > > Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider > Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! > > Maui Print Works wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> A Dentist we do prescription pads for just got pricing from us >> using the new Security Paper and they have a question. >> Does anyone know if there's any requirement to have the Doctors >> license # ... on the prescription form? >> >> Bill Marsh >> Maui Print Works >> 70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793 >> bill@mauiprintworks.com >> 808-242-6634 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From jodib at blackfoot.net Wed May 14 16:14:23 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Wed May 14 16:14:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Currency Reproductions References: <68218D9F-C8FD-4B43-9C4D-E4F7A359C52D@commercialpressink.com> Message-ID: <014701c8b5ff$1a062f40$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Send him a letter with a copy of the instructions............ and then yea! Kinko's is a great idea (or Staples) Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles A. Lincoln" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Currency Reproductions > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On May 14, 2008, at 11:15 AM, Tracy Charleson wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Good Afternoon to my panel of experts! >> We have a used car salesman/owner that wants to do a coupon with a >> reproduction of a $50.00 bill front & back with some copy changes of >> course added in. >> >> I found instructions that say "Reproductions of US currency in color or >> black and white is permitted as long as the reproductions are less than >> three-fourths or more than one and one-half the size of the orignall and >> one-sided. Size restrictions apply whether using the whole or a portion >> of any bill. Additionally, care must be taken to dispose of negatives, >> scans, or other materials used in creating the reproductions. >> >> Problem 1) He wants this coupon to be two sided using both sides of the >> $50.00 bill >> Problem 2) The originall measures measures 6 1/16" x 2 5/16". The >> customer wants it the same as his sample which is 7 1/2" x 3 1/4". We >> told him we can't do this and he is throwing a fit. > > > REPLY: > If he is throwing a fit, dont do it. Let him go elsewhere, if he does not > trust his printer (and he is a used car salesman), then send him to > Kinkos... > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Wed May 14 16:19:05 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Wed May 14 16:20:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CPP500 Message-ID: Are any of you with the CPP 500 having this problem? We get black, I'll call them lines, running the long way on a sheet. The sheet is running 11" (on 8 1/2 x 11 sheet) as the lead edge so the lines are running from the top to the bottom. I guess they could be called streaks but they are perfectly parallel, not consistently spaced but cover the entire sheet, are from 2 point to 5 point thick, do not have a nice clean edge but are pretty consistent as to the thickness of each streak and there are somewhere around 30 across the sheet. They almost look like a background tint. If we didn't have this problem we wouldn't see our tech for several months, or until he had to do regular PM or starter change. He says neither he nor Konica know what causes it but if we thin the developer it fixes it except there is a fine line between fixing and killing the developer. He has more than a couple of these machines and they all have the same problem. I think I've narrowed it down to happening only when we run black as opposed to CMYK since we just had it for a small run and I switched the black side to CMYK and it worked, but I really don't want to pay for color clicks. It is usually at least 4 hours for him to get here so he talks us through thinning the developer to fix it until he can get here. I'm maintaining it is a training issue since IKON in Wisconsin hasn't handled the Konica or Ricoh lines until about the time I got the machines. Is it just us in NE Wisconsin or is this problem widespread with this machine? Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From char at themasterspress.com Wed May 14 16:20:25 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Wed May 14 16:20:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Currency Reproductions In-Reply-To: <68218D9F-C8FD-4B43-9C4D-E4F7A359C52D@commercialpressink.com> References: <68218D9F-C8FD-4B43-9C4D-E4F7A359C52D@commercialpressink.com> Message-ID: <008201c8b5ff$f1e4f0e0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> The reasons the instructions are there is because that is what is legal. If there were different dimensions that were "OK" it would say that. I think I would rather have an irate customer than my shop closed down for printing illegal bills. Let him go other places and try. Kinko's would not even get close to touching this. They have very strict rules about that. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Charleson Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 2:15 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Currency Reproductions ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Good Afternoon to my panel of experts! We have a used car salesman/owner that wants to do a coupon with a reproduction of a $50.00 bill front & back with some copy changes of course added in. I found instructions that say "Reproductions of US currency in color or black and white is permitted as long as the reproductions are less than three-fourths or more than one and one-half the size of the orignall and one-sided. Size restrictions apply whether using the whole or a portion of any bill. Additionally, care must be taken to dispose of negatives, scans, or other materials used in creating the reproductions. Problem 1) He wants this coupon to be two sided using both sides of the $50.00 bill Problem 2) The originall measures measures 6 1/16" x 2 5/16". The customer wants it the same as his sample which is 7 1/2" x 3 1/4". We told him we can't do this and he is throwing a fit. Are we correct? Or am I misunderstanding something. Thanks for your help on this! Tracy "Did you know...;. When you shop locally-owned businesses, your money is re-circulated over and over and creates up to 75% more tax revenue to our community and state." Tracy Charleson Commercial Press, Inc. 216 Cowan Road Canton, New York 13617 Phone: (315) 386-3431 Fax: (315) 386-5259 email: info@commercialpressink.com http://www.commercialpressink.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3100 (20080514) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3100 (20080514) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From bob at rjmprinting.com Wed May 14 16:20:51 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Wed May 14 16:20:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: EFI/Printsmith Billing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Several years ago EFI/Printsmith failed to bill us for our annual maintenance. They called about 9 months after they should have billed us and wanted us to pay for both years. I pointed out to them that I had not used their maintenance and therefore did not feel I should be required to pay for their screw up. Ron Teller from Printsmith called me and said he knew that he billed me because he sends out the bill personally. I said did you send it registered mail? No. While how the h$$$ do you know I received it? While if you want to get back on maintenance you have to pay both years. I declined. Once a year I get a call and I explain everything to the caller and they always swear they will have someone get back to me. Know one ever does. Right now they want $1,620 to update me from 7.1 to 8.09 plus a $100 key exchange fee. I know some day I am going to have to pay them but I am still holding out hope that I will get a reasonable person on the other end of the phone when they call. Still waiting..... Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jace Prejean Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 2:27 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: EFI/Printsmith Billing ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** It's well worth the subscription price to belong to this list just to get to read John's emails about EFI . Where else can you get this much entertainment for the price? -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 1:16 PM, John Henry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Oh boy I get to jump in again. Funny part it is alleged I am the ONLY > person > bitching about or spreading rumors of poor service about EFI Printsmith. > > I dropped my service for many of the same reasons you all have, over 17 > months ago. Not one phone call, just some bills. > > I have never met a more customer service challenge group in my life. They > just do not get it. Oh just so you know they claim they improved and hired > more people. That was claimed for the past 2 years, so see how much better > things are LOL If you wanted to do a case study on not too hire and train > CSR's they would be the model. I would love see how they pick these people > and only can think human resources is as messed up as EFI management is. > > Now you guys are in for the fun part. Try and get back on service, you have > to pay another Fee to rejoin it! Yes, you pay for at least a back year, for > the privilege of renewing + the new contract. Then they dropped the email > support so I believe your new lowest rate is $750 a year or higher and you > need to pay it twice now to get back on the EFI Christmas card list. > > P.S. the last kicker is they also want to now auto charge your CC so they > have even less contact with you. In fact you sign a contract giving the > right to charge you forever or you get billed higher rates. All in the name > of better customer service. > > I have some nice rants on www.mpcny.com.printblogger about EFI if you care > for some my other interactions with them. > > > > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > 125-129 East First Street > Oswego, New York 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 Fax > www.mpcny.com > John@mpcny.com > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From k_graham at hotmail.com Wed May 14 16:25:08 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Wed May 14 16:25:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 5000 References: <20080514171144.7932DF2635F@rb.enter.net> <00de01c8b5ee$e5c36190$0c10a8c0@ellsworthacer> Message-ID: > > To give credit where it's due, IKON service has been excellent. > Knowledgeable techs and great response times. > We had generally good response time and some knowledgeable techs - but! Check your logs or if you don't keep a log ask for a history print out for your machine and divide service calls by the total copies preferably for each year. On Ikons last year we were in the 5000 copies between calls on the IR5000. It doesn't matter a bit how many times they come or that they get there fast, it matters that they change parts. Our current provider goes ages between calls and our IR6000 is at 1.6 million copies, thats what matters. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 From armand at curryonline.com Wed May 14 16:33:25 2008 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Wed May 14 16:33:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Currency Reproductions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <012b01c8b601$c559fa50$500deef0$@com> >> we would respond, "Yes, the Treasury Dept. has a contest every six >> months open to printers, and the winner gets a free trip to D.C." John, Did you ever win the contest? :) (hee hee hee) Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing Auburn, ME 04210 armand@curryonline.com From kk1400 at charterinternet.com Wed May 14 16:42:17 2008 From: kk1400 at charterinternet.com (Monica Mead) Date: Wed May 14 16:41:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tiny Fold - HELP! In-Reply-To: <482B3887.8010206@charter.net> References: <482B3887.8010206@charter.net> Message-ID: <20080514204107.DQWD7882.aacpub02.charter.net@DellD800.charterinternet.com> Mark's suggestion will work, however chipboard is a bit spongy so it can wear down especially if you're folding a heavier stock or it's a long run. Last couple times I made the shim out of 12 pt cast coat sheets, and it seemed to hold up better. Previous to the 714, I had a Profold - the minimum size was smaller. I didn't realize the difference until the first time a small folding job couldn't be done. Necessity is the mother of invention.... . Monica Mead Kwik Kopy Printing Dundas, MN At 02:07 PM 5/14/2008, Mark Stallings wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >3 options: > ># 1 >I THINK this will work - believe I have done it before. >On your 714 - put the long fold on the first plate. That should not be a problem. >Make a "shim" out of chipboard. Several (5?) sheets 10" x 2" taped together. >This shim will go between the plates and against the moveable guide on the second/bottom fold plate. >Put the guide on about 3 3/4" and the shim will stop the sheet shorter that the guide without the shim. > ># 2 >Farm out to >http://www.pharmagraphics.com/about-us.php > ># 3 >I saw a tabletop folder at the Chicago show designed for this. >It was a little slow, but it seemed to work. >Best I can remember cost was about $ 5,000 >Do not remember the brand, but I can go through my "stuff" and look for if you need the info > > > >Robin Niewold wrote: > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>We have a Baum 714 air feed and also a Horizon PF-S315 and neither of >>them can fold a 2" fold. We have 2500 sheets that are 4" x 5.5" that >>need to be tri-folded. >>We really do not want to score them twice and then fold them manually. What do we do and what machine can do a job like this. One of our larger, maybe our largest?, customer said they will be doing "lots" of these in the future. And, of course, as most of their orders are -- short turn-around and lots of bindery and packaging. These 2500 pieces get shrink wrapped in 25's -- and it is Wed. and the job is due on Friday! >> >>What machine or HOW? >> >>Robin >> >> >>Robin Niewold >>robin@protypeonline.com >> >>Pro-Type Printing, Inc. >>130 N. Market Street >>Paxton, IL 60957 >>217.379.4715 >> >>Wright Printing Company >>203 North Street >>Normal, IL 61761 >>309.452.4409 >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > >-- >Mark Stallings >Stallings Printing >1709 Walt Arney Road >Lenoir, NC 28645 >828-758-1126 >stalprint@charter.net > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3099 (20080514) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > From markath1 at verizon.net Wed May 14 16:42:14 2008 From: markath1 at verizon.net (Rick Martin) Date: Wed May 14 16:43:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rx pads, Is Dr's license # required? In-Reply-To: <6B0C6D73-9BBE-460A-8EF8-32535F9966B5@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: <000001c8b603$018771f0$640a0a0a@advanced8l9v8x> What needs to be on a script is governed by the individual states Board of Pharmacy. In Mass, license # is not required and the DEA# is only required if the script contains a class 1 - 5 drug. Hope it helps. You could probably call a local pharmacy to get the regs for Hawaii. Rick Martin Advanced Print & Copy 229 Memorial Avenue W Springfield, MA 01089 413-736-9808 markath1@verizon.net www.advancedprintandcopy.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Maui Print Works Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:39 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Rx pads, Is Dr's license # required? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** A Dentist we do prescription pads for just got pricing from us using the new Security Paper and they have a question. Does anyone know if there's any requirement to have the Doctors license # ... on the prescription form? Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793 bill@mauiprintworks.com 808-242-6634 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Wed May 14 16:44:40 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Wed May 14 16:44:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 5000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080514204429.PRAO26184.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> When I was with IKON, I got good service although it seemed like they were there every week changing or tweaking something. Canon CLC1000. One of the techs told me that their year end bonus is determined by how many parts they need to fix something. I guess they have a set bonus and every time they need a part, it comes off their bonus. At least that is what I was told and I don't remember them ever putting in very many new parts Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From printer at ptialaska.net Wed May 14 16:50:04 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Wed May 14 16:50:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rx pads, Is Dr's license # required? In-Reply-To: <54DF24AE-84A2-4CDB-839E-A839307B928A@inkonpaper.biz> References: <6B0C6D73-9BBE-460A-8EF8-32535F9966B5@mauiprintworks.com> <482B4120.3030501@fmtc.com> <54DF24AE-84A2-4CDB-839E-A839307B928A@inkonpaper.biz> Message-ID: On May 14, 2008, at 12:11 PM, Loren Maurina wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We print thousands of pad. Some have the DEA # preprinted - some do > not. > My understanding is the DEA number must be on the pad when it gets > to the pharmacy. > Preprinted or hand written is up to the Dr. REPLY: States can have different rules as well. Our state requires the NPI, DEA and consecutive numbering... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From brian at designotype.com Wed May 14 16:58:53 2008 From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen) Date: Wed May 14 16:57:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Air Cleaners References: <200805102338.m4ANcZgB046418@i2bnetworks.com><000901c8b462$6e0a90c0$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local><012a01c8b558$dfb74aa0$6900a8c0@DANIEL><004601c8b5d0$d1ef3900$6a01a8c0@brianspc> <200805141542.m4EFgcY1080440@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <01a801c8b605$51aec8c0$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Thanks for the replies on and off list. She really is not as concerned as I might have made it sound, but did mention it in a routine 90 day review. Margaret basically said the same thing... "I've been working in print shops for 32 years, gave birth to 15 kids, all healthy and most of them honor roll students, even a couple valedictorians. And in print shops where they had more harsh chemicals (in the early days) and no ventilating like we do now.... I don't think there should be any concern." or something like that. Anyway, our shop does not smell, I don't know what they are talking about ;) Brian Helminen Designotype Printers, Inc. 22950 Airpark Blvd. Calumet, MI 49913 906-482-2424 Fax 906-482-2266 www.designotype.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cappel" > One thing about the employee fears (especially ones who become pregnant). > Kindly remind them that the nose is a very sensitive thing and can pick up > a few molecules of press chemistry which has no correlation to the amount > of press chemistry the body must injest, (like a few swigs of blanket > wash...ummmm yummy) that might introduce enough of a problem to cause any > endangerment to a fetus or reproductive organs. > > Most people don't get the difference between those two. > From jacemeister at gmail.com Wed May 14 16:58:20 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Wed May 14 16:58:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Currency Reproductions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > Years ago we decided to print our own currency. Funny you should mention that, John. I was looking through some old marketing materials just this week and I have a $20 bill with Mary's picture and a $10 bill with J. Vanover's picture. I guess I'd better spend them while they're still worth something . -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com From brian at designotype.com Wed May 14 17:02:25 2008 From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen) Date: Wed May 14 17:01:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tiny Fold - HELP! References: Message-ID: <01c701c8b605$cff12c00$6a01a8c0@brianspc> If you don't have to shim too much, use magnets. Brian Helminen Designotype Printers, Inc. 22950 Airpark Blvd. Calumet, MI 49913 906-482-2424 Fax 906-482-2266 www.designotype.com ----- Original Message ----- From: > Make a "shim" out of chipboard. Several (5?) sheets 10" x 2" taped > together. > This shim will go between the plates and against the moveable guide on > the second/bottom fold plate. > Put the guide on about 3 3/4" and the shim will stop the sheet shorter > that the guide without the shim. From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Wed May 14 17:58:07 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Wed May 14 17:58:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon C6000 vs Xerox 5000 In-Reply-To: <01c701c8b605$cff12c00$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Message-ID: Okay, I know this is a constant ongoing battle, BUT, who has what, and how much do you love it? We currently have the 6060, which I'm in love with. But our click rate is inching up to $0.0725, and its at the point where a new machine with a low click rate will save us money. Xerox won't lower the click rate on the 6060 (we tried to increase our minimum from 5K to 30K, they don't care), so we basically have to get a new machine. The 5000 doesn't seem like much of an upgrade to me. Its prints at a much higher resolution (four times my 6060 and double the c6000), and is faster on medium cardstocks (up to 220 gsm), but there are no other advantages. Won't auto-duplex up to 300 GSM, no finishing options, etc. The C6000 auto-duplexes up to 300 GSM, can take 12x18 300 GSM sheet in its stacker, had robust finishing options (although I'll only get the saddle), and kind of seems to be the future. That being said, the 6060 has been a phenomenal machine for us, and I honestly can't imagine either of these being better. I'm inclined to stay with Xerox just because of our experiences with the 6060. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed May 14 18:12:29 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed May 14 18:12:46 2008 Subject: Spilling my currency and passports Re: [PrintOwners] Currency Reproductions Message-ID: In a message dated 5/14/2008 5:01:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jacemeister@gmail.com writes: Funny you should mention that, John. I was looking through some old marketing materials just this week and I have a $20 bill with Mary's picture and a $10 bill with J. Vanover's picture. I guess I'd better spend them while they're still worth something . -- Well Jace, that's two more copies than I have.... every single other bill was lost/destroyed in the hurricane. One funny thing that I forgot to mention... two things actually... I was putting on a seminar in Canada and was being driven across the border by my host. We had to stop at Canadian Customs and I had 2-3 boxes of marketing material I was giving away at the seminar. The custom's officer leaned his head in the door and asked what was in the boxes... I told him a lot of printing and marketing samples... he asks if he can open a box... of course I say yes since I have nothing to hide.... of course, sitting at the very top of the carton he opens were stacks and stacks of $5, $10 and $20 bills... he took a double take and then a third, and I explained what they were, and he was never totally satisfied but finally let us go. Coming back from another marketing seminar I was waiting for my cartons of marketing material to come off the luggage belt at DFW... one of the first things to come up the belt and drop on to the carousel was one of my boxes of samples... it came up, tumbled down and broke open... not only did it spill out these stacks of $5, $10, and $20 currency but we had also printed up custom made Passports that looked identical to U.S. Passports... gold stamped on the front with our eagle logo, round cornered, dark blue heavy cover, really, really neat marketing stuff designed for a special marketing program we were doing for the summer in Melbourne.... "Planning on traveling this summer... well, even if you'te staying close to home you'll need this passport to take advantage of all our special summer savings!" Inside were special coupon pages each designed to be stamped by a CSR when redeemed..... You should have seen the expressions of folks when they saw all these passports and what looked like U.S. Currency spilling out all over... almost everyone sort of backed up, and I just kept looking at folks telling them "Hey, don't get upset, this isn't real, it is just my marketing material." They looked back at me with these strange expressions as if to say, "Oh sure...." Honest to God, I was able to retrieve almost all of my stuff before anyone else even approached the carousel. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Wed May 14 18:31:38 2008 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Austin Havens) Date: Wed May 14 18:27:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Currency Reproductions References: <68218D9F-C8FD-4B43-9C4D-E4F7A359C52D@commercialpressink.com> Message-ID: <001901c8b612$47468690$0201a8c0@austin> Ask the customer to get permission in writing from the Bureau of Engraving to do as he is asking. I'll bet he will get an ear ful and not bother you anymore. Austin Havens Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Charleson" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 2:15 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Currency Reproductions > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Good Afternoon to my panel of experts! > We have a used car salesman/owner that wants to do a coupon with a > reproduction of a $50.00 bill front & back with some copy changes of > course added in. > > I found instructions that say "Reproductions of US currency in color > or black and white is permitted as long as the reproductions are less > than three-fourths or more than one and one-half the size of the > orignall and one-sided. Size restrictions apply whether using the > whole or a portion of any bill. Additionally, care must be taken to > dispose of negatives, scans, or other materials used in creating the > reproductions. > > Problem 1) He wants this coupon to be two sided using both sides of > the $50.00 bill > Problem 2) The originall measures measures 6 1/16" x 2 5/16". The > customer wants it the same as his sample which is 7 1/2" x 3 1/4". > We told him we can't do this and he is throwing a fit. > Are we correct? Or am I misunderstanding something. > > Thanks for your help on this! > Tracy > > > "Did you know...;. When you shop locally-owned businesses, your money > is re-circulated over and over and creates up to 75% more tax revenue > to our community and state." > Tracy Charleson > Commercial Press, Inc. > 216 Cowan Road > Canton, New York 13617 > Phone: (315) 386-3431 > Fax: (315) 386-5259 > email: info@commercialpressink.com > http://www.commercialpressink.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From k_graham at hotmail.com Wed May 14 18:46:42 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (Ken Graham) Date: Wed May 14 18:46:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Stocklayouts In-Reply-To: <001901c8b612$47468690$0201a8c0@austin> References: <68218D9F-C8FD-4B43-9C4D-E4F7A359C52D@commercialpressink.com> <001901c8b612$47468690$0201a8c0@austin> Message-ID: What does the group think of StockLayouts.com Perhaps I overlooked it before but I see they now allow you to buy just the templates you want at a more reasonable price if buying 25 or 50 at a time. http://www.stocklayouts.com/Products/Template-Subscriptions.aspx Or do you have anything better to suggest? Thanks, Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 _________________________________________________________________ Try Chicktionary, a game that tests how many words you can form from the letters given. Find this and more puzzles at Live Search Games! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/207 From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed May 14 18:48:14 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed May 14 18:48:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Currency Reproductions In-Reply-To: <68218D9F-C8FD-4B43-9C4D-E4F7A359C52D@commercialpressink.com> References: <68218D9F-C8FD-4B43-9C4D-E4F7A359C52D@commercialpressink.com> Message-ID: <8CA842BBA2ABA54-10A4-60E@WEBMAIL-DG09.sim.aol.com> Keep? your ground on this issue.? Doesn't matter how big customer is to you.? 15% smaller or larger or have a nice day! Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Tracy Charleson To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Wed, 14 May 2008 3:15 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] Currency Reproductions ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Good Afternoon to my panel of experts!? We have a used car salesman/owner that wants to do a coupon with a reproduction of a $50.00 bill front & back with some copy changes of course added in.? ? I found instructions that say "Reproductions of US currency in color or black and white is permitted as long as the reproductions are less than three-fourths or more than one and one-half the size of the orignall and one-sided. Size restrictions apply whether using the whole or a portion of any bill. Additionally, care must be taken to dispose of negatives, scans, or other materials used in creating the reproductions.? ? Problem 1) He wants this coupon to be two sided using both sides of the $50.00 bill? Problem 2) The originall measures measures 6 1/16" x 2 5/16". The customer wants it the same as his sample which is 7 1/2" x 3 1/4". We told him we can't do this and he is throwing a fit.? Are we correct? Or am I misunderstanding something.? ? Thanks for your help on this!? Tracy? ? "Did you know...;. When you shop locally-owned businesses, your money is re-circulated over and over and creates up to 75% more tax revenue to our community and state."? Tracy Charleson? Commercial Press, Inc.? 216 Cowan Road? Canton, New York 13617? Phone: (315) 386-3431? Fax: (315) 386-5259? email: info@commercialpressink.com? http://www.commercialpressink.com? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From Patel3Plus at aol.com Wed May 14 19:03:09 2008 From: Patel3Plus at aol.com (Patel3Plus@aol.com) Date: Wed May 14 19:03:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Air Cleaners for Print Shops Message-ID: We've used an air cleaning system called "Clean Air Plant" very successfully for about 15 years. It is a biological air cleaning system which destroys airborne pollutants and removes other particulates. Somehow the process breaks down contaminants to non-harmful compounds like CO2 and water. It removes the odors from our shop that customers and employees used to complain about. We have one in the pressroom and one in our front office. Our shops is about 5500 sq. ft. I found out about it through client who runs a mechanics association. It works in garages removing fumes and pollutants. If you want more information, the company name is Air & Water Solutions" 973-661-5192, _www.srebiotech.com_ (http://www.srebiotech.com) . Sharon Patel Patel Printing Plus Corp. 1036 Commerce Avenue Union, NJ 07083 USA T 908.964.6422 T 800.801.PRINT (7746) F 908.964.7949 _http://www.patelprintingplus.com/_ (http://www.patelprintingplus.com/) Quick...creative...with a passion for exceeding customers' expectations! **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) From sos at olympus.net Wed May 14 19:13:46 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed May 14 19:16:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon C6000 vs Xerox 5000 References: Message-ID: <036401c8b618$29708750$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > That being said, the 6060 has been a phenomenal machine for us, and I > honestly can't imagine either of these being better. I'm inclined to stay > with Xerox just because of our experiences with the 6060. Let me know > your > thoughts. Thanks. ========================= Did you see Craig's post on the used I-Gen3 for $150,000? Jump on it. That's my advice. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com Thu May 15 08:58:53 2008 From: jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com (Jim Quinn) Date: Thu May 15 09:01:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon C6000 vs Xerox 5000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have the Canon C7000VP and love it. Kind of like a 6060 in that you just put paper in it, press the go button and let it run. No issues about whether it will run this paper or that, no color variance throughout the run, pretty consistent color from day to day, doesn't slow down for cover or coated stocks and will duplex anything that will run through it. I think a Xerox 5000 would be a noticeable downgrade for you and I did not see that the print quality was noticeably better on the 5000 than the two 2045's that we had. I thought the Konica 6500 had better print quality than the Xerox 5000 primarily because it doesn't use fuser oil. The Konica is inexpensive to buy and operate but slows down some for coated text and more for cover stock. There also has been a lot of chatter on this forum about Konica's problems with registration, color variance and the ability to duplex certain stocks well. You never see those comments about the Xerox 6060, 5000, 7000 or 8000 although the lesser Xerox 240 & 250's may suffer from them. Jim Quinn Sir Speedy 4043 15323 Midway Road Addison, TX 75001 Phone 972-788-4266 Fax 972-788-2367 jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 4:58 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon C6000 vs Xerox 5000 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Okay, I know this is a constant ongoing battle, BUT, who has what, and how much do you love it? We currently have the 6060, which I'm in love with. But our click rate is inching up to $0.0725, and its at the point where a new machine with a low click rate will save us money. Xerox won't lower the click rate on the 6060 (we tried to increase our minimum from 5K to 30K, they don't care), so we basically have to get a new machine. The 5000 doesn't seem like much of an upgrade to me. Its prints at a much higher resolution (four times my 6060 and double the c6000), and is faster on medium cardstocks (up to 220 gsm), but there are no other advantages. Won't auto-duplex up to 300 GSM, no finishing options, etc. The C6000 auto-duplexes up to 300 GSM, can take 12x18 300 GSM sheet in its stacker, had robust finishing options (although I'll only get the saddle), and kind of seems to be the future. That being said, the 6060 has been a phenomenal machine for us, and I honestly can't imagine either of these being better. I'm inclined to stay with Xerox just because of our experiences with the 6060. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jdaghir at gmail.com Thu May 15 09:03:35 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Thu May 15 09:03:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF Searching In-Reply-To: <200805141831.m4EIVhtl018185@i2bnetworks.com> References: <482B2C04.7060708@fmtc.com> <200805141831.m4EIVhtl018185@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620805150603u71d9c0afjadc35ae6e897b4a4@mail.gmail.com> Yup - Scott's correct. Acrobat Pro does have a pretty powerful PDF search engine and I didn't even know it had any search functions at all. It would probably do exactly what you what as far as searching through the PDFs for a name after OCR. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Scott said: > We use the find function regularly as a strategic sales tool (I showed Jeff > when he was out here how to do this, he might want to comment) but only on > natively generated PDF's, not scanned PDF's. It would be good for you to try > this and let us all know whether it works. From jdaghir at gmail.com Thu May 15 09:09:23 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Thu May 15 09:09:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CPP500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83d5b9620805150609q3ffd4863oad6e93420383d196@mail.gmail.com> We've got the Ikon CPP 500. We run a fair amount of straight black through it and haven't noticed the problems you are describing. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Mark said: > Are any of you with the CPP 500 having this problem? We get black, I'll call > them lines, running the long way on a sheet. From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Thu May 15 09:10:44 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Thu May 15 09:10:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon C6000 vs Xerox 5000 In-Reply-To: <036401c8b618$29708750$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: I have the same space issue he does. I wish they'd make an all-weather one we could leave outdoors. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Dan Huntingford > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:13:46 -0700 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Canon C6000 vs Xerox 5000 > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> That being said, the 6060 has been a phenomenal machine for us, and I >> honestly can't imagine either of these being better. I'm inclined to stay >> with Xerox just because of our experiences with the 6060. Let me know >> your >> thoughts. Thanks. > ========================= > > Did you see Craig's post on the used I-Gen3 for $150,000? Jump on it. > That's my advice. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From list at interiorgraphics.com Thu May 15 09:51:02 2008 From: list at interiorgraphics.com (Michelle at Interior Graphics) Date: Thu May 15 09:51:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PDF Searching In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620805150603u71d9c0afjadc35ae6e897b4a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <482B2C04.7060708@fmtc.com> <200805141831.m4EIVhtl018185@i2bnetworks.com> <83d5b9620805150603u71d9c0afjadc35ae6e897b4a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If you're looking for software to electronically bates number the documents, we use NitroPDF. It is $99 and will do alot of different things, but we use it mostly for when we scan in large legal jobs and then need to combine the files and auto number them. It allows you to place the number anywhere on the page, and you can add a prefix or suffix to the number if needed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michelle Maynor "Your Personal Printer" Interior Graphics & Printing 770 8th Avenue Fairbanks, AK 99701 907.456.4982 phone 907.452.6992 fax "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the most." - John Ruskin From eric at digi-print.com Thu May 15 10:14:48 2008 From: eric at digi-print.com (Eric Weber) Date: Thu May 15 10:15:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xitron Navigator GPS In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620805150603u71d9c0afjadc35ae6e897b4a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <482B2C04.7060708@fmtc.com> <200805141831.m4EIVhtl018185@i2bnetworks.com> <83d5b9620805150603u71d9c0afjadc35ae6e897b4a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I have looked for several years at a PDF workflow along with the direct RIP capabilities to my DI, CTP, etc. I think I have decided on the Xitron Navigator GPS ... I think. I have heard a few of you mention this system as being pretty good. Service after the sale?? Price you paid? Etc.?? TIA ... -- *********************************************************************** Eric Weber Sales / General Manager / Vice President PrintDigital Inc. 4688 Darrow Rd., Stow, OH 44224 330-686-5945 Fax 330-686-5329 www.digi-print.com eric@digi-print.com ***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and delete this copy from your system. Thank you for your co-operation. *********************************************************************** From craig at sutterprinting.com Thu May 15 10:38:00 2008 From: craig at sutterprinting.com (Craig Baise) Date: Thu May 15 10:38:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 5000 In-Reply-To: <90A97637BD0A4908B636FF2F6655EB75@aero> Message-ID: Carl - I have been offered a new 5020 for $2500 incl tax and install with maintenance at .0057 - Craig On 5/13/08 3:55 AM, "Carl Core" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are getting a Canon 5000 black & white copier on trial this week from a > former Xerox rep who is now with Ikon. They are asking $4212 cash with > service at .007 on a "Printers Special". It seems like a very good price. I > will check with Larry Hunt as we have in the past. I have never dealt with > Ikon and have in the past heard some unsavory things about them here. Our > black and white market isn't what it used to be. We are replacing a Xerox > 470ST that's been out of service for 2 years with 4 m copies. Anyone have > any experience with either the machine or Ikon that you would like to share? > > Carl Core, Jr. > Aero Printing, Inc. > 710 Elida Ave > Delphos, OH 45833 > Ph. 419-695-2931 > Fax 419-695-9930 > info@aeroprinting.com > www.aeroprinting.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Craig C. Baise Sutter Printing 916.446.0167 office www.sutterprinting.com From char at themasterspress.com Thu May 15 11:04:41 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Thu May 15 11:04:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 5000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don't know anything about the 5020 but when I looked at the 5000 there were a lot of stocks that it would not run well. Especially cover. But for $4000 it seems like it would be hard to beat as a backup. Charlene On 5/15/08 9:38 AM, "Craig Baise" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Carl - I have been offered a new 5020 for $2500 incl tax and install with > maintenance at .0057 - Craig > > > On 5/13/08 3:55 AM, "Carl Core" wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> We are getting a Canon 5000 black & white copier on trial this week from a >> former Xerox rep who is now with Ikon. They are asking $4212 cash with >> service at .007 on a "Printers Special". It seems like a very good price. I >> will check with Larry Hunt as we have in the past. I have never dealt with >> Ikon and have in the past heard some unsavory things about them here. Our >> black and white market isn't what it used to be. We are replacing a Xerox >> 470ST that's been out of service for 2 years with 4 m copies. Anyone have >> any experience with either the machine or Ikon that you would like to share? >> >> Carl Core, Jr. >> Aero Printing, Inc. >> 710 Elida Ave >> Delphos, OH 45833 >> Ph. 419-695-2931 >> Fax 419-695-9930 >> info@aeroprinting.com >> www.aeroprinting.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > Craig C. Baise > Sutter Printing > 916.446.0167 office > www.sutterprinting.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Charlene Sims The Master?s Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 Fax 972-404-0317 Char@themasterspress.com From sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com Thu May 15 13:19:53 2008 From: sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com (Date-Line Digital Printing) Date: Thu May 15 13:23:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon C6000 vs. Xerox 5000 In-Reply-To: References: <01c701c8b605$cff12c00$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Message-ID: <032c01c8b6af$e5994ba0$b0cbe2e0$@com> Finally I can quit being a lurker and give some input We have a Xerox 5000 with the creo rip, and love it. Likes: Speed Color consistency End user replaceable drums Can run 220 gsm duplex Tight registration Can run NCR (Xerox brand, special settings needed) Quick calibration Had it about a year, and hardly any service calls Dislikes: Small toner cartages (constantly replacing on a long runs) Cannot order drums direct from Xerox, your service tech has to do it for you Hope this helps Travis Lewis Date-Line digital printing Fairbanks, AK -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf of Borzou Azabdaftari Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 1:58 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon C6000 vs Xerox 5000 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Okay, I know this is a constant ongoing battle, BUT, who has what, and how Much do you love it? We currently have the 6060, which I am in love with. However, our click rate is Inching up to $0.0725, and it's at the point where a new machine with a low Click rate will save us money. Xerox will not lower the click rate on the 6060 (We tried to increase our minimum from 5K to 30K, they don't care), so we Have to get a new machine. The 5000 doesn't seem like much of an upgrade to me. Its prints at a much higher resolution (four times my 6060 and double the c6000), and is faster on medium cardstocks (up to 220 gsm), but there are no other advantages. Won't auto-duplex up to 300 GSM, no finishing options, etc. The C6000 auto-duplexes up to 300 GSM, can take 12x18 300 GSM sheet in its stacker, had robust finishing options (although I'll only get the saddle), and kind of seems to be the future. That being said, the 6060 has been a phenomenal machine for us, and I honestly can't imagine either of these being better. I'm inclined to stay with Xerox just because of our experiences with the 6060. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From rstor at copycats.com Thu May 15 13:22:29 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Thu May 15 13:23:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Gold and Silver Text Message-ID: <482C7155.4050706@copycats.com> We are quoting on a Journal which needs some sheets of Gold and Silver text-weight stock. This will image digitally, which means that we need a smooth stock. Our broken-carton merchant only has Royal Metallic which is not smooth enough and is pretty expensive. Does anyone have another suggestion/source? Thanks, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com From slb at inkspot.net Thu May 15 13:37:16 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu May 15 13:37:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Currency Reproductions In-Reply-To: <001901c8b612$47468690$0201a8c0@austin> References: <68218D9F-C8FD-4B43-9C4D-E4F7A359C52D@commercialpressink.com>, <001901c8b612$47468690$0201a8c0@austin> Message-ID: <482C3C8C.12959.E89E2C0@slb.inkspot.net> Actually, it's not the Bureau of Engraving and Printing that makes (and enforces) those rules. They print the stuff, but it's the U.S. Secret Service that's charged with enforcement. Refer him to the local Secret Service office (ours is at 600 Arch St., in Philadelphia), and tell him he needs clearance from them before you can do it.... Steve > > Ask the customer to get permission in writing from the Bureau of Engraving > to do as he is asking. I'll bet he will get an ear ful and not bother you > anymore. > > Austin Havens > Havens Printing & Copy Shop > 200 N Main > McPherson, KS 67460 > 620-241-5400 > ahavens@sbcglobal.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tracy Charleson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 2:15 PM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Currency Reproductions > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Good Afternoon to my panel of experts! > > We have a used car salesman/owner that wants to do a coupon with a > > reproduction of a $50.00 bill front & back with some copy changes of > > course added in. > > > > I found instructions that say "Reproductions of US currency in color > > or black and white is permitted as long as the reproductions are less > > than three-fourths or more than one and one-half the size of the > > orignall and one-sided. Size restrictions apply whether using the > > whole or a portion of any bill. Additionally, care must be taken to > > dispose of negatives, scans, or other materials used in creating the > > reproductions. > > > > Problem 1) He wants this coupon to be two sided using both sides of > > the $50.00 bill > > Problem 2) The originall measures measures 6 1/16" x 2 5/16". The > > customer wants it the same as his sample which is 7 1/2" x 3 1/4". > > We told him we can't do this and he is throwing a fit. > > Are we correct? Or am I misunderstanding something. > > > > Thanks for your help on this! > > Tracy > > > > > > "Did you know...;. When you shop locally-owned businesses, your money > > is re-circulated over and over and creates up to 75% more tax revenue > > to our community and state." > > Tracy Charleson > > Commercial Press, Inc. > > 216 Cowan Road > > Canton, New York 13617 > > Phone: (315) 386-3431 > > Fax: (315) 386-5259 > > email: info@commercialpressink.com > > http://www.commercialpressink.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3100 (20080514) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Thu May 15 13:40:43 2008 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Thu May 15 13:40:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon C6000 vs. Xerox 5000 In-Reply-To: <032c01c8b6af$e5994ba0$b0cbe2e0$@com> Message-ID: <00cd01c8b6b2$cf7f00a0$5a01a8c0@fileserver> I have the 5000 and love it as well. If it would run envelopes I would go all digital in a heart beat. The 5000 is one fine machine. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com From braddpotter at juno.com Thu May 15 14:14:12 2008 From: braddpotter at juno.com (Brad Potter) Date: Thu May 15 14:16:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] vendor needed (anywhere in the US) for gold foil 2 sided foldover busi ness cards Message-ID: <20080515.111412.24254.2@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Navitar can do it, but we offically hate them. West Texas does NOT do it. Brad Potter Printing Services Inc. www.myprintsource.net Your Printing Super Hero 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A Port Orchard, WA 98366 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax _____________________________________________________________ Click for free information on accounting careers, $150/hour potential. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3l7D3zQayPvf0y9lj55mKP5cNbleATA9y8q1sCj2UzuF3MLy/?count=1234567890 From communicar at aol.com Thu May 15 14:28:21 2008 From: communicar at aol.com (communicar@aol.com) Date: Thu May 15 14:28:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] vendor needed (anywhere in the US) for gold foil 2 sided foldover busi ness cards In-Reply-To: <20080515.111412.24254.2@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080515.111412.24254.2@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CA84D0963907F9-968-176@webmail-ne10.sysops.aol.com> Brad, We use a local guy who does good work. Not the cheapest, but reliable quality, and very knowledgeable.? Rick is still around most days, but his son Derek is now running the business on a daily basis. He can supply dies or you can. For repeat jobs he will store dies for you.? I forwarded your message to them. Ace Embossing (408) 262-2585 Ken Azebu Communicart Graphics & Printing 499 Aldo Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408) 970-0922 (408) 970-8630 Fax -----Original Message----- From: Brad Potter To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Thu, 15 May 2008 11:14 am Subject: [PrintOwners] vendor needed (anywhere in the US) for gold foil 2 sided foldover busi ness cards ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Navitar can do it, but we offically hate them. West Texas does NOT do it. Brad Potter Printing Services Inc. www.myprintsource.net Your Printing Super Hero 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A Port Orchard, WA 98366 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax _____________________________________________________________ Click for free information on accounting careers, $150/hour potential. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3l7D3zQayPvf0y9lj55mKP5cNbleATA9y8q1sCj2UzuF3MLy/?count=1234567890 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From segass at heritageprinting.com Thu May 15 14:28:18 2008 From: segass at heritageprinting.com (Steve Gass) Date: Thu May 15 14:28:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xitron Navigator GPS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001501c8b6b9$72e8bf00$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> Hello, Eric Can you give us your reasoning for the GPS system? And how does it fit your equipment, aka Digital press, direct to plate, copiers . . . I am review system also . . . Thanks, Steve Gass Prepress Manager Heritage Printing & Graphics, Inc. Cell: 240-298-0102 Visit our NEW website at www.heritageprinting.com Our Mission: To help your company attract more business by improving the image you project in the marketplace. We offer mailing services for First and Presort Standard class mailings including Non-Profits. We handle everything from concept...to printing...to mailing! We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider and a Microsoft Publisher Service Provider. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Eric Weber Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:15 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: SPAM-LOW: [PrintOwners] Xitron Navigator GPS ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have looked for several years at a PDF workflow along with the direct RIP capabilities to my DI, CTP, etc. I think I have decided on the Xitron Navigator GPS ... I think. I have heard a few of you mention this system as being pretty good. Service after the sale?? Price you paid? Etc.?? TIA ... -- *********************************************************************** Eric Weber Sales / General Manager / Vice President PrintDigital Inc. 4688 Darrow Rd., Stow, OH 44224 330-686-5945 Fax 330-686-5329 www.digi-print.com eric@digi-print.com ***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and delete this copy from your system. Thank you for your co-operation. *********************************************************************** _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dave at goldentriangleprinting.com Thu May 15 15:24:57 2008 From: dave at goldentriangleprinting.com (Dave) Date: Thu May 15 15:25:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minolta C6500 Message-ID: <003e01c8b6c1$5c8d8120$0201a8c0@GTP01> We are looking at this machine, however the dealer is 7.5 cents per click 8 1/2 x 11 Need verification that others are paying per click 12 x 18 Please help me out and let me know your experience with this machine Thanks Dave Golden Triangle Printing 80 Baffin Pl Unit 1 Waterloo, Ontario N2V 1Z7 Ph. 519-725-1414 Fax. 519-725-2051 sales@goldentriangleprinting.com From char at themasterspress.com Thu May 15 15:40:09 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Thu May 15 15:40:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minolta C6500 In-Reply-To: <003e01c8b6c1$5c8d8120$0201a8c0@GTP01> References: <003e01c8b6c1$5c8d8120$0201a8c0@GTP01> Message-ID: <00b101c8b6c3$7c6faa70$0b01a8c0@CharXP> I have been quoted on the NAQP pricing of .049 per 11 x 17 click on the contract pricing. Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 2:25 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Minolta C6500 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are looking at this machine, however the dealer is 7.5 cents per click 8 1/2 x 11 Need verification that others are paying per click 12 x 18 Please help me out and let me know your experience with this machine Thanks Dave Golden Triangle Printing 80 Baffin Pl Unit 1 Waterloo, Ontario N2V 1Z7 Ph. 519-725-1414 Fax. 519-725-2051 sales@goldentriangleprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3102 (20080515) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3102 (20080515) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3102 (20080515) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From john at foxprinting.biz Thu May 15 15:44:14 2008 From: john at foxprinting.biz (John Schroeder) Date: Thu May 15 15:47:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minolta C6500 In-Reply-To: <003e01c8b6c1$5c8d8120$0201a8c0@GTP01> References: <003e01c8b6c1$5c8d8120$0201a8c0@GTP01> Message-ID: Paying $.052 per page, any size. John Schroeder Fox Printing 802-658-9196 john@foxprinting.biz On May 15, 2008, at 3:24 PM, Dave wrote: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are looking at this machine, however the dealer is 7.5 cents per click 8 1/2 x 11 Need verification that others are paying per click 12 x 18 Please help me out and let me know your experience with this machine Thanks Dave Golden Triangle Printing 80 Baffin Pl Unit 1 Waterloo, Ontario N2V 1Z7 Ph. 519-725-1414 Fax. 519-725-2051 sales@goldentriangleprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kevin at proprinters.ca Thu May 15 15:49:27 2008 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin at PRO Printers) Date: Thu May 15 15:49:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minolta C6500 References: <003e01c8b6c1$5c8d8120$0201a8c0@GTP01> Message-ID: <00b201c8b6c4$c8f4f0c0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> Dave: We just got two CPP650's 10 days ago. This the same box rebranded through Ikon. We got KM down to .069 while Ikon came in at .065. We're pleased as punch with these machines. One of the best decisions we've ever made. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 3:24 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Minolta C6500 > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are looking at this machine, however the dealer is 7.5 cents per click > 8 1/2 x 11 > Need verification that others are paying per click 12 x 18 > Please help me out and let me know your experience with this machine > Thanks > Dave > Golden Triangle Printing > 80 Baffin Pl Unit 1 > Waterloo, Ontario N2V 1Z7 > Ph. 519-725-1414 Fax. 519-725-2051 > sales@goldentriangleprinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu May 15 16:23:04 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu May 15 16:23:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minolta C6500 In-Reply-To: <00b101c8b6c3$7c6faa70$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <003e01c8b6c1$5c8d8120$0201a8c0@GTP01> <00b101c8b6c3$7c6faa70$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <200805152023.m4FKNDCT081974@i2bnetworks.com> Thanks to Char, we pay .049 11x17 one click, no minimum. Did I say thank you Char? Yes, I do believe I did say thank you Char. Hey Char, thank you. S. At 12:40 PM 5/15/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I have been quoted on the NAQP pricing of .049 per 11 x 17 click on the >contract pricing. > > >Charlene Sims >President >The Master's Press, Inc. >14550 Midway Road >Dallas, Tx 75244 > >972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 >www.TheMastersPress.com >char@themasterspress.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dave >Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 2:25 PM >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >Subject: [PrintOwners] Minolta C6500 > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We are looking at this machine, however the dealer is 7.5 cents per click 8 >1/2 x 11 >Need verification that others are paying per click 12 x 18 >Please help me out and let me know your experience with this machine >Thanks >Dave >Golden Triangle Printing >80 Baffin Pl Unit 1 >Waterloo, Ontario N2V 1Z7 >Ph. 519-725-1414 Fax. 519-725-2051 >sales@goldentriangleprinting.com >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 3102 (20080515) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 3102 (20080515) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 3102 (20080515) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3102 (20080515) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From nt at andrewsblueprint.com Thu May 15 16:40:25 2008 From: nt at andrewsblueprint.com (Nancy Thomsen) Date: Thu May 15 16:40:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minolta C6500 In-Reply-To: <200805152023.m4FKNDCT081974@i2bnetworks.com> References: <003e01c8b6c1$5c8d8120$0201a8c0@GTP01> <00b101c8b6c3$7c6faa70$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <200805152023.m4FKNDCT081974@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20080515204026.D87E3F2A5D8@rb.enter.net> We have had ours for a year so we pay $0.045/ color and $0.01/black any size no minimum Nancy At 01:23 PM 5/15/2008, Scott Cappel wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >Thanks to Char, we pay .049 11x17 one click, no minimum. > >Did I say thank you Char? > >Yes, I do believe I did say thank you Char. > >Hey Char, thank you. > >S. > > > > >At 12:40 PM 5/15/2008, you wrote: >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>I have been quoted on the NAQP pricing of .049 per 11 x 17 click on the >>contract pricing. >> >> >>Charlene Sims > >Nancy Thomsen >Andrews Blueprint, Inc. >269 Griffin St. >Salinas, CA 93901 >Phone: (831) 424-0331 >www.andrewsblueprint.com From char at themasterspress.com Thu May 15 16:50:00 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Thu May 15 16:50:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minolta C6500 In-Reply-To: <200805152023.m4FKNDCT081974@i2bnetworks.com> References: <003e01c8b6c1$5c8d8120$0201a8c0@GTP01><00b101c8b6c3$7c6faa70$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <200805152023.m4FKNDCT081974@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <00da01c8b6cd$3e8ce0b0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> As rich as you are getting off that machine, a real thank you would be a glass of pink wine in Chicago. :-) I am in the process of buying a 6500 myself in the next month or so. I have looked at a lot of machines. Except the IGen. Not ready for that yet. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 3:23 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Minolta C6500 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thanks to Char, we pay .049 11x17 one click, no minimum. Did I say thank you Char? Yes, I do believe I did say thank you Char. Hey Char, thank you. S. At 12:40 PM 5/15/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I have been quoted on the NAQP pricing of .049 per 11 x 17 click on the >contract pricing. > > >Charlene Sims >President >The Master's Press, Inc. >14550 Midway Road >Dallas, Tx 75244 > >972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 >www.TheMastersPress.com >char@themasterspress.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dave >Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 2:25 PM >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >Subject: [PrintOwners] Minolta C6500 > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We are looking at this machine, however the dealer is 7.5 cents per click 8 >1/2 x 11 >Need verification that others are paying per click 12 x 18 >Please help me out and let me know your experience with this machine >Thanks >Dave >Golden Triangle Printing >80 Baffin Pl Unit 1 >Waterloo, Ontario N2V 1Z7 >Ph. 519-725-1414 Fax. 519-725-2051 >sales@goldentriangleprinting.com >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 3102 (20080515) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 3102 (20080515) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 3102 (20080515) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3102 (20080515) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3102 (20080515) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3102 (20080515) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu May 15 16:54:34 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Thu May 15 16:54:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minolta C6500 In-Reply-To: <20080515204026.D87E3F2A5D8@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <20080515205434.FGCI26883.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> I have the KM5500, thanks to Char also!!! I talked them down to .025 for color on 8.5x11" (because sometimes I have to do this size and didn't want to pay the nickel for 8.5x11") It is .05 for 11x17" and .005 for black and white 8,5x11" and .01 for 11x17". Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From brianoday at eprint.us Thu May 15 17:14:47 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Thu May 15 17:18:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] vendor needed (anywhere in the US) for gold foil 2sided foldover busi ness cards In-Reply-To: <8CA84D0963907F9-968-176@webmail-ne10.sysops.aol.com> References: <20080515.111412.24254.2@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> <8CA84D0963907F9-968-176@webmail-ne10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <007501c8b6d0$b466fc00$800101df@eprint.local> We use Advanced Letterpress in Portland Oregon they do a fantastic job. PHONE 503 224 0561??? FAX 503 224 0636 Brian O'Day ePRINT 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland Oregon 97223 (503)684-267 Brianoday@eprint.us www.eprint.us -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of communicar@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:28 AM To: printowners@printweb.org; braddpotter@juno.com Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] vendor needed (anywhere in the US) for gold foil 2sided foldover busi ness cards ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Brad, We use a local guy who does good work. Not the cheapest, but reliable quality, and very knowledgeable.? Rick is still around most days, but his son Derek is now running the business on a daily basis. He can supply dies or you can. For repeat jobs he will store dies for you.? I forwarded your message to them. Ace Embossing (408) 262-2585 Ken Azebu Communicart Graphics & Printing 499 Aldo Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408) 970-0922 (408) 970-8630 Fax -----Original Message----- From: Brad Potter To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Thu, 15 May 2008 11:14 am Subject: [PrintOwners] vendor needed (anywhere in the US) for gold foil 2 sided foldover busi ness cards ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Navitar can do it, but we offically hate them. West Texas does NOT do it. Brad Potter Printing Services Inc. www.myprintsource.net Your Printing Super Hero 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A Port Orchard, WA 98366 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax _____________________________________________________________ Click for free information on accounting careers, $150/hour potential. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3l7D3zQayPvf0y9lj55mKP5cNb leATA9y8q1sCj2UzuF3MLy/?count=1234567890 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu May 15 17:25:35 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu May 15 17:25:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minolta C6500 In-Reply-To: <20080515205434.FGCI26883.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20080515204026.D87E3F2A5D8@rb.enter.net> <20080515205434.FGCI26883.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0805151425n1e2be6ect14ddde2ebedc8bf8@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Cora wrote: > > I have the KM5500, thanks to Char also!!! I talked them down to .025 for > color on 8.5x11" (because sometimes I have to do this size and didn't want > to pay the nickel for 8.5x11") It is .05 for 11x17" and .005 for black > and white 8,5x11" and .01 for 11x17". Wow -- that's a first! Cora's got the right idea! While we're all making sure we only pay a "single" click for 11x17, Cora assumed 11x17 as the standard and negotiated a half click for a half-size sheet! Since we run virtually everything 2-up, we rarely get to take advantage of some of our (1-up only) inline finishing capabilities. Way to go Cora!! I'm calling you to negotiate my next copier deal. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From digitalgraphics at sbcglobal.net Thu May 15 18:27:09 2008 From: digitalgraphics at sbcglobal.net (Chris Barton) Date: Thu May 15 18:26:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Variable Data Pricing Question..... In-Reply-To: <20080515202322.2A30CF2A57E@rb.enter.net> References: <20080515202322.2A30CF2A57E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <004401c8b6da$d19ea520$74dbef60$@net> This is a two part question.........I'm hoping to get a quick education here....first....we have been playing a little doing some variable data projects on our KM C6500.....it has worked well so far with no issues....mostly doing badges for one customer with variable names and/or numbers..... Now, a customer has called asking me to price a job for him and I really don't know what is competitive....it has to be a wholesale price as he is reselling it..."He" works at a VERY large mail house and we do a fair amount of work for him. The specs are....customer supplied 8.5 x 14 80lb velvet coated book.... 4/0 with several fields of personalization. Do you guys charge for each field? He has the Address up top....4 boxes on the side that are variable and in the letter the persons name twice..."Dear Susan" and then at the bottom...."Thanks Susan" .....Quantity is 10,000 Now we already would go .15 cents per click or lower for the color copies based on the quantity...but else are you guys charging for? Set up...fields of data? Etc.... The Second question is software....I remember seeing some software discussed here that was recommended for variable that was inexpensive...like $500 as I recall...and I remember someone saying it had a free trial period. Also.....my prepress person will have to make a 10,000 document PDF using indesign for this....how does the new softwares work? Will she NOT have to do that? Is it more like she imports the excel file and only has to do it once? Will it reduce rip time? Sorry but I am ignorant to all this.......I'm just an old press operator at heart....... Thanks in advance!! Chris Barton Digital Color Graphics, Inc. 3209 W. Warner Avenue Santa Ana, CA 92704 (714) 241-8443 www.digitalcolorgraphics.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1434 - Release Date: 5/15/2008 7:24 AM From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu May 15 18:55:56 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Thu May 15 18:56:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minolta C6500 In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0805151425n1e2be6ect14ddde2ebedc8bf8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080515225557.HXQE26184.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Thanks Michael.... It is just that I do a lot of 8.5x11". Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Thu May 15 21:27:49 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Thu May 15 21:28:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minolta C6500 In-Reply-To: <003e01c8b6c1$5c8d8120$0201a8c0@GTP01> References: <003e01c8b6c1$5c8d8120$0201a8c0@GTP01> Message-ID: <004f01c8b6f4$0e0f2c50$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Dave So far they won't do the .049 thing in Canada. We're paying .105 on our C500 #*!!!. They did have a deal whereby for the first year you can pay $8000 up front for unlimited clicks. Please correct me if I'm wrong, which is likely this time of night, but I think that if you were doing 100,000 clicks a month, which I'm not, you would be paying less than 1? per click. Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 3:25 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Minolta C6500 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are looking at this machine, however the dealer is 7.5 cents per click 8 1/2 x 11 Need verification that others are paying per click 12 x 18 Please help me out and let me know your experience with this machine Thanks Dave Golden Triangle Printing 80 Baffin Pl Unit 1 Waterloo, Ontario N2V 1Z7 Ph. 519-725-1414 Fax. 519-725-2051 sales@goldentriangleprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Thu May 15 22:36:54 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Thu May 15 22:37:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minolta C6500 In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0805151425n1e2be6ect14ddde2ebedc8bf8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080515204026.D87E3F2A5D8@rb.enter.net> <20080515205434.FGCI26883.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> <98f5b19a0805151425n1e2be6ect14ddde2ebedc8bf8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <944B34ED-4D41-45BD-ACE1-DDB939A63857@bellsouth.net> My thoughts exactly... I can just see that copier salesman going back to his boss saying he doesn't know what happened, but somehow Cora got the best deal for 8.5 x 11 copies in the US! Way to go Cora! Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On May 15, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Cora wrote: >> >> I have the KM5500, thanks to Char also!!! I talked them down to . >> 025 for >> color on 8.5x11" (because sometimes I have to do this size and >> didn't want >> to pay the nickel for 8.5x11") It is .05 for 11x17" and .005 for >> black >> and white 8,5x11" and .01 for 11x17". > > > Wow -- that's a first! Cora's got the right idea! While we're all > making sure we only pay a "single" click for 11x17, Cora assumed 11x17 > as the standard and negotiated a half click for a half-size sheet! > Since we run virtually everything 2-up, we rarely get to take > advantage of some of our (1-up only) inline finishing capabilities. > Way to go Cora!! I'm calling you to negotiate my next copier deal. > > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cpc at clearnet.net Fri May 16 08:22:59 2008 From: cpc at clearnet.net (Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc.) Date: Fri May 16 08:23:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Variable Data Pricing Question..... In-Reply-To: <004401c8b6da$d19ea520$74dbef60$@net> References: <20080515202322.2A30CF2A57E@rb.enter.net> <004401c8b6da$d19ea520$74dbef60$@net> Message-ID: <482D7CA3.4060505@clearnet.net> Hey Chris, Let me preface my reply with the fact that I would also consider myself a novice in the field of variable data printing but hope you do find it of some value. I really don't think you want to be building any 10000 page pdf files. The software you are asking about is called Fusion Pro Desktop from Printable. Here is a link to their online tutorials: http://www.printable.com/self-guided-tutorials You didn't say what rip you are using but if you have the Creo then you would simply compose the output file from Fusion Pro to a multi-file vps file. Create a new folder first and direct the composer to put all the files in it. Copy the folder over to the Creo and use the import feature to import the vps file that you will find in the folder to the Process Queue. From there you can set your parameters for the job. The file will print at normal speed. I just did a 10,500 pager last week. Same size, 8.5x14. It was actually 42000 records imposed 4 up. Worked fine. As far as the pricing, for what it is worth, I added $250 to the price of the job for the variable data. I , like you, would like to hear how others determine what to charge for variable data setup. I am not looking for prices, but would like to know the thought process you use to determine your pricing. Thanks in advance to all replies! Randy Hurley Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 17 South Third Street P.O. Box 23 Clearfield, PA 16830 814-765-4731 Fax: 814-765-1380 cpc@clearnet.net Chris Barton wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >This is a two part question.........I'm hoping to get a quick education >here....first....we have been playing a little doing some variable data >projects on our KM C6500.....it has worked well so far with no >issues....mostly doing badges for one customer with variable names and/or >numbers..... > >Now, a customer has called asking me to price a job for him and I really >don't know what is competitive.... > > > >The Second question is software....I remember seeing some software discussed >here that was recommended for variable that was inexpensive...like $500 as I >recall...and I remember someone saying it had a free trial period. > >Also.....my prepress person will have to make a 10,000 document PDF using >indesign for this....how does the new softwares work? Will she NOT have to >do that? > > >Chris Barton > > >Digital Color Graphics, Inc. >3209 W. Warner Avenue >Santa Ana, CA 92704 > >(714) 241-8443 > >www.digitalcolorgraphics.com > > From kellycrom at gmail.com Fri May 16 10:01:41 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Fri May 16 10:01:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fusion Pro question & DirectSmile Message-ID: <00f101c8b75d$5f6f9990$6d01a8c0@KELLY> For those of you using Fusion Pro... I want to get this going here, but from what I see, it's not compatible with CS3 yet, am I wrong? Our prepress is all Mac and all CS3(plus Quark 6&7). Also, is there a Mac option for something like DirectSmile?(again our prepress/design is all Mac) Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! From ppiinc7 at gmail.com Fri May 16 10:22:26 2008 From: ppiinc7 at gmail.com (John Steffes) Date: Fri May 16 10:23:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fusion Pro question & DirectSmile In-Reply-To: <00f101c8b75d$5f6f9990$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <00f101c8b75d$5f6f9990$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: In my limited experience on the PC side with Fusion Pro it is not compatible with CS3 (even though it was represented as being compatible). It doesn't really matter though because it will work with any PDF. On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics < kellycrom@gmail.com> wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > For those of you using Fusion Pro... > I want to get this going here, but from what I see, it's not compatible > with > CS3 yet, am I wrong? > Our prepress is all Mac and all CS3(plus Quark 6&7). > > Also, is there a Mac option for something like DirectSmile?(again our > prepress/design is all Mac) > > > Kelly Crom > Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 > Plymouth, MN 55441 > (763)231-6970 > kellycrom@gmail.com > www.applied-graphics.com > > p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's > Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com > ! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- John Steffes Printing Plus Delray Beach, FL From joy at libertyprintgreen.com Fri May 16 11:21:04 2008 From: joy at libertyprintgreen.com (Joy Downing) Date: Fri May 16 10:23:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fusion Pro question & DirectSmile In-Reply-To: <00f101c8b75d$5f6f9990$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <012b01c8b768$756defc0$1401a8c0@JOY2> I was so glad to see variable data come up today! We are finally ready to tackle the variable data. About a month ago the folder that contained all the great information you have been so kind to share, disappeared from my computer. The computer "guru" came in and said "I have good news and bad. The good news is I found the file, the bad news is the computer has already written over it." UGH! Anyway, if anyone can share any information on variable data it would be greatly apprecaited again. Thanks in advance. Joy Downing Liberty 3021Nashville Road Bowling Green, KY 42101 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:02 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Fusion Pro question & DirectSmile ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** For those of you using Fusion Pro... I want to get this going here, but from what I see, it's not compatible with CS3 yet, am I wrong? Our prepress is all Mac and all CS3(plus Quark 6&7). Also, is there a Mac option for something like DirectSmile?(again our prepress/design is all Mac) Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Fri May 16 10:23:38 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt) Date: Fri May 16 10:23:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fusion Pro question & DirectSmile In-Reply-To: <00f101c8b75d$5f6f9990$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: On 5/16/08 9:01 AM, "Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > For those of you using Fusion Pro... > I want to get this going here, but from what I see, it's not compatible with > CS3 yet, am I wrong? > Our prepress is all Mac and all CS3(plus Quark 6&7). > > Also, is there a Mac option for something like DirectSmile?(again our > prepress/design is all Mac) Kelly, I just upgraded Fusion Pro to CS3. I think the upgrade cost more than the original program, but it was worth it. New version is now $599 plus $200 for phone support. I didn't buy the support - am muddling through on my own. Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri May 16 10:45:36 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri May 16 10:45:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fusion Pro question & DirectSmile In-Reply-To: <00f101c8b75d$5f6f9990$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <00f101c8b75d$5f6f9990$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <200805161445.m4GEjj9I030548@i2bnetworks.com> download the update 5.1 and you're good to go. http://tinyurl.com/5ps5nz S. At 07:01 AM 5/16/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >For those of you using Fusion Pro... >I want to get this going here, but from what I see, it's not compatible with >CS3 yet, am I wrong? >Our prepress is all Mac and all CS3(plus Quark 6&7). > >Also, is there a Mac option for something like DirectSmile?(again our >prepress/design is all Mac) > > >Kelly Crom >Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. >2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 >Plymouth, MN 55441 >(763)231-6970 >kellycrom@gmail.com >www.applied-graphics.com > >p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's >Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com > ! > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3105 (20080516) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From craig at newhavenprint.com Fri May 16 11:02:41 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Fri May 16 10:57:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fusion Pro question & DirectSmile In-Reply-To: <00f101c8b75d$5f6f9990$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <20080516145720.D3B80F2E21D@rb.enter.net> > Also, is there a Mac option for something like > DirectSmile?(again our prepress/design is all Mac) > Kelly Crom > Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. I haven't seen anything comparible for Mac. DirectSmile works from within InDesign CS3 or CS2, so you'll need to figure that into the budget along with a PC to run it on. It can take some serious processing power to run complex jobs. A postcard we ran last week took 10 hours to process - and created an 8 gig ppml file. And that was only 1000 postcards. It's nice to have a PC and just let it run overnight. Some art takes less time, but this one was pretty complicated. Another option is XMPie products. I believe uImage is similar to DirectSmile. DirectSmiles website is www.directsmile.de P.S. we're also running Fusion Pro with CS3 (Acrobat 8) pdf's. You just have to keep the current updates installed. Craig Dellinger President New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From sos at olympus.net Fri May 16 11:18:21 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri May 16 11:26:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Variable Data Pricing Question..... References: <20080515202322.2A30CF2A57E@rb.enter.net><004401c8b6da$d19ea520$74dbef60$@net> <482D7CA3.4060505@clearnet.net> Message-ID: <060e01c8b769$6f443810$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > I just did a 10,500 pager last week. Same size, 8.5x14. It was actually > 42000 records imposed 4 up. Worked fine. ==================== $250??? You've got Fusion whatever a $500 program, plus the time it took to learn to use it, Adobe CS3 a $2400 set of programs, a Creo RIP a $20,000 piece of equipment, plus your digital box probably $40,000 to $150,000 piece of equipment, and all the time it took to learn to use all of that, and you charged $0.005 per record? I think you are leaving huge amounts of money on the table. Plus more importantly, devaluing the market for that type of expertise not only for yourself and all future jobs of this type but for everyone who is in that segment of the market. Just simple addressing is usually around $50/m or $0.05 per record. Ten times more than you charged. Or did you forget a zero or two? Those are my thoughts. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From joy at libertyprintgreen.com Fri May 16 12:34:47 2008 From: joy at libertyprintgreen.com (Joy Downing) Date: Fri May 16 11:36:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Variable Data Pricing Question..... In-Reply-To: <060e01c8b769$6f443810$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <01d901c8b772$c12f33b0$1401a8c0@JOY2> Good insight. Thank you! Joy Downing Liberty Bowling Green, KY . -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 9:18 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Variable Data Pricing Question..... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > I just did a 10,500 pager last week. Same size, 8.5x14. It was > actually 42000 records imposed 4 up. Worked fine. ==================== $250??? You've got Fusion whatever a $500 program, plus the time it took to learn to use it, Adobe CS3 a $2400 set of programs, a Creo RIP a $20,000 piece of equipment, plus your digital box probably $40,000 to $150,000 piece of equipment, and all the time it took to learn to use all of that, and you charged $0.005 per record? I think you are leaving huge amounts of money on the table. Plus more importantly, devaluing the market for that type of expertise not only for yourself and all future jobs of this type but for everyone who is in that segment of the market. Just simple addressing is usually around $50/m or $0.05 per record. Ten times more than you charged. Or did you forget a zero or two? Those are my thoughts. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri May 16 12:30:54 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri May 16 12:31:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Variable Data Pricing Question..... In-Reply-To: <482D7CA3.4060505@clearnet.net> References: <20080515202322.2A30CF2A57E@rb.enter.net> <004401c8b6da$d19ea520$74dbef60$@net> <482D7CA3.4060505@clearnet.net> Message-ID: <200805161631.m4GGV3bq052571@i2bnetworks.com> I agree with Dan on this. I'm not set on pricing for VDP either yet but I think you could have gotten at least 4X or 5X what you charged for the value added if you had sold the service correctly. The marketplace has not been commoditized for VDP yet. Eventually, like all things that time will come. NOW is the time to recapture ROI on your investment in this technology, NOW is the time you should be charging confiscatory rates for VDP. S. At 05:22 AM 5/16/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Hey Chris, > >Let me preface my reply with the fact that I would also consider >myself a novice in the field of variable data printing but hope you >do find it of some value. > >I really don't think you want to be building any 10000 page pdf >files. The software you are asking about is called Fusion Pro >Desktop from Printable. Here is a link to their online tutorials: > >http://www.printable.com/self-guided-tutorials > >You didn't say what rip you are using but if you have the Creo then >you would simply compose the output file from Fusion Pro to a >multi-file vps file. Create a new folder first and direct the >composer to put all the files in it. Copy the folder over to the >Creo and use the import feature to import the vps file that you will >find in the folder to the Process Queue. From there you can set your >parameters for the job. The file will print at normal speed. > >I just did a 10,500 pager last week. Same size, 8.5x14. It was >actually 42000 records imposed 4 up. Worked fine. > >As far as the pricing, for what it is worth, I added $250 to the >price of the job for the variable data. I , like you, would like to >hear how others determine what to charge for variable data setup. I >am not looking for prices, but would like to know the thought >process you use to determine your pricing. > >Thanks in advance to all replies! > >Randy Hurley >Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. >17 South Third Street >P.O. Box 23 >Clearfield, PA 16830 >814-765-4731 >Fax: 814-765-1380 >cpc@clearnet.net > > >Chris Barton wrote: > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>This is a two part question.........I'm hoping to get a quick education >>here....first....we have been playing a little doing some variable data >>projects on our KM C6500.....it has worked well so far with no >>issues....mostly doing badges for one customer with variable names and/or >>numbers..... >> >>Now, a customer has called asking me to price a job for him and I really >>don't know what is competitive.... >> > >> >>The Second question is software....I remember seeing some software discussed >>here that was recommended for variable that was inexpensive...like $500 as I >>recall...and I remember someone saying it had a free trial period. >>Also.....my prepress person will have to make a 10,000 document PDF using >>indesign for this....how does the new softwares work? Will she NOT have to >>do that? >> > >>Chris Barton >> >> >>Digital Color Graphics, Inc. >>3209 W. Warner Avenue >>Santa Ana, CA 92704 >> >>(714) 241-8443 >>www.digitalcolorgraphics.com >> > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3105 (20080516) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From sandy at cornerstone-print.com Fri May 16 12:49:22 2008 From: sandy at cornerstone-print.com (Sandy Clark) Date: Fri May 16 12:49:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Question Message-ID: <001101c8b774$cae20ac0$0c02a8c0@SandyTP> Can't figure this one out, but I'll bet it's something simple. I hope someone can help. We received an Excel database file for a mailing. The street address has been entered in two columns, one for the street number (ie, 160), the other for the street name (ie, Ridge Ave). We want to run the list through the NCOA update service, but they require the full street address to be in one column (ie, 160 Ridge Ave). Does anyone know how to do this without leaving Excel? Thanks in advance. Sandy Clark Cornerstone Print & Imaging, LLC 179 State Route 31 Flemington, NJ 08822 (908) 782-7966 (908) 782-1011 FAX www.cornerstone-print.com From bob at rjmprinting.com Fri May 16 12:59:31 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Fri May 16 12:59:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Question In-Reply-To: <001101c8b774$cae20ac0$0c02a8c0@SandyTP> Message-ID: =CONCATENATE(Cell1, Cell2) There will not be a space between them. If you need a space, insert a column and put a space in the 1st cell and copy that cell down. And the add that cell to the formula. =CONCATENATE(Cell1, Cell3,Cell2) Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Sandy Clark Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 11:49 AM To: Print Owners List Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Can't figure this one out, but I'll bet it's something simple. I hope someone can help. We received an Excel database file for a mailing. The street address has been entered in two columns, one for the street number (ie, 160), the other for the street name (ie, Ridge Ave). We want to run the list through the NCOA update service, but they require the full street address to be in one column (ie, 160 Ridge Ave). Does anyone know how to do this without leaving Excel? Thanks in advance. Sandy Clark Cornerstone Print & Imaging, LLC 179 State Route 31 Flemington, NJ 08822 (908) 782-7966 (908) 782-1011 FAX www.cornerstone-print.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From rstor at copycats.com Fri May 16 12:58:57 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Fri May 16 13:00:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Question In-Reply-To: <001101c8b774$cae20ac0$0c02a8c0@SandyTP> References: <001101c8b774$cae20ac0$0c02a8c0@SandyTP> Message-ID: <482DBD51.9020209@copycats.com> Sandy, Insert a third column that will be the one you use for the mailing. Insert the TEXT FUNCTION "COCATENATE" and define it as =COCATENATE(Cell 1, Cell2) where Cell 1is the number and Cell 2 is the street. This will give you the complete address. Copy down. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Sandy Clark wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Can't figure this one out, but I'll bet it's something simple. I hope someone can help. > > We received an Excel database file for a mailing. The street address has been entered in two columns, one for the street number (ie, 160), the other for the street name (ie, Ridge Ave). We want to run the list through the NCOA update service, but they require the full street address to be in one column (ie, 160 Ridge Ave). Does anyone know how to do this without leaving Excel? > > Thanks in advance. > > Sandy Clark > Cornerstone Print & Imaging, LLC > 179 State Route 31 > Flemington, NJ 08822 > > (908) 782-7966 > (908) 782-1011 FAX > www.cornerstone-print.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri May 16 13:04:47 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri May 16 13:05:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Question Message-ID: Place the following in a new column.....: =A2&" "&B2 What that does is take the text in cell A2, add a space, then the contents of B2. Then copy that formula down the column. You may want to make sure that the house numbers were entered as text and not numbers since this might cause a problem but it too can be fixed quickly. By the way, the little help function box in the upper right is excellent for answering these types of questions. John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road, W. Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) (New book by Larry Hunt & John Stewart) **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) From files at aloha4print.com Fri May 16 13:09:51 2008 From: files at aloha4print.com (Nancy Denney) Date: Fri May 16 13:05:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Question In-Reply-To: <001101c8b774$cae20ac0$0c02a8c0@SandyTP> References: <001101c8b774$cae20ac0$0c02a8c0@SandyTP> Message-ID: Concatenate it example =CONCATENATE(A1," ",B1) Type in exactly how the string above is and in your A1 field is your numeric address part "205" and in B1 is your street part "Lackland Ave" then the quotes in between with a space will enter a space between the two, producing "205 Lackland Ave" Then just down fill the column, afterwards you want to copy and "paste special" with values clicked on and that column turns into your new data. Now you can delete the other columns including your formula one. I do this all the time and it saves me a lot of time. Good Luck, Nancy Denney Aloha Print & Copy, LLC 212 McMenamy Road St. Peters, MO 63376 www.aloha4print.com On May 16, 2008, at 11:49 AM, Sandy Clark wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Can't figure this one out, but I'll bet it's something simple. I > hope someone can help. > > We received an Excel database file for a mailing. The street > address has been entered in two columns, one for the street number > (ie, 160), the other for the street name (ie, Ridge Ave). We want > to run the list through the NCOA update service, but they require > the full street address to be in one column (ie, 160 Ridge Ave). > Does anyone know how to do this without leaving Excel? > > Thanks in advance. > > Sandy Clark > Cornerstone Print & Imaging, LLC > 179 State Route 31 > Flemington, NJ 08822 > > (908) 782-7966 > (908) 782-1011 FAX > www.cornerstone-print.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From dennis.trump at gmail.com Fri May 16 13:09:46 2008 From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump) Date: Fri May 16 13:09:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Question In-Reply-To: References: <001101c8b774$cae20ac0$0c02a8c0@SandyTP> Message-ID: <41aa6a080805161009vf93d9e1x75c95b825f275bb@mail.gmail.com> Well I saw Bob's answer to your post and I haven't even seen your original post but such is the way with Gmail. My response is that our mailing software takes care of this on import quite easily just by combining the two fields. Don't you need to import this into your software to do the NCOA processing? I find that even knowing the formulas in Excel the mailing software is much more powerful and easier to deal with situations such as this because you're working within a database type program rather than a spreadsheet. Just my $ .02. -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 From sandy at cornerstone-print.com Fri May 16 15:30:40 2008 From: sandy at cornerstone-print.com (Sandy Clark) Date: Fri May 16 15:30:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Question References: <001101c8b774$cae20ac0$0c02a8c0@SandyTP> Message-ID: <006b01c8b78b$5379fda0$0c02a8c0@SandyTP> What an outstanding resource you all are. I spent almost an hour searching the Excel help menu for merge related info and then Google, all without any solutions. Then after just 10 min. on this list, I had the answer and the problem went away. Thanks again for taking the time to help. Sandy Clark Cornerstone Print & Imaging, LLC 179 State Route 31 Flemington, NJ 08822 (908) 782-7966 (908) 782-1011 FAX www.cornerstone-print.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Sandy Clark To: Print Owners List Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 12:49 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Can't figure this one out, but I'll bet it's something simple. I hope someone can help. We received an Excel database file for a mailing. The street address has been entered in two columns, one for the street number (ie, 160), the other for the street name (ie, Ridge Ave). We want to run the list through the NCOA update service, but they require the full street address to be in one column (ie, 160 Ridge Ave). Does anyone know how to do this without leaving Excel? Thanks in advance. Sandy Clark Cornerstone Print & Imaging, LLC 179 State Route 31 Flemington, NJ 08822 (908) 782-7966 (908) 782-1011 FAX www.cornerstone-print.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri May 16 15:37:31 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri May 16 15:37:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Question Message-ID: In a message dated 5/16/2008 3:31:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sandy@cornerstone-print.com writes: What an outstanding resource you all are. I spent almost an hour searching the Excel help menu for merge related info and then Google, all without any solutions. Then after just 10 min. on this list, I had the answer and the problem went away. Thanks again for taking the time to help. Sandy Clark Well Sandy.... don't keep us in suspense.... which approach did you use? I still think mine was the simplest... I just tried the =A2&" "&B2 with two columns of data and it worked great. Excel is an absolutely amazing program, despite the fact it has a few bugs in it, including one or two I have recently discovered while working on the Operating Ratio Study. John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road, W. Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) (New book by Larry Hunt & John Stewart) **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) From craig at portageprinting.com Fri May 16 16:05:43 2008 From: craig at portageprinting.com (Craig Vestal) Date: Fri May 16 16:05:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] lick and stick References: <20080514145858.B5B3DF25CCA@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <005901c8b790$3c472bd0$0400000a@CraigNotebook> We have been in this business for more than 30 years, and every day there is an incredible new challenge to learn from. Today's involved envelope converting. We ran 75,000 4/4 appeals for a local nonprofit that also needed a reply envelope. I cleverly designed it into the end of the self-mailer and we got approval from the client. We printed all the sheets, and then sent them out to be scored and perfed and the envelope pocket glued shut on each side. So far so good. The brochures came back on time and we noticed that the horizontal "remoistenable" glue strip was unusually thick and shiny...kind of like you see from a hot glue gun. After the piece went out, our client started getting the envelopes back - UNSEALED. The glue failed on about 85 % of the time and the envelopes came back with the donor info uncovered and the payment falling out. Later, they got a call from a woman who was going to the hospital because she licked one of these and her tongue puffed up and lost all sensation - she wanted the newspapers and radio stations to carry an alert concering the possible poisoning threat. Her doctoctor diagnosed an allergic reaction and we did not do any publicity about the danger. Client is upset. We had a couple of meetings with the envelope converters and the salesman attempted to address our concerns by eating three of the envelopes at the meeting while we watched. His mouth felt fine, he assured us. We asked for a discount (we got it) and some help with the remaining 1500 brochures that the client wanted for face-to-face solicitations over the coming year. The envelope guys told us happily that they had a solution: they ran the pieces back through another glue machine and put "good" glue on top of that bad glue and it "really really works." Today we took the fixed envelopes back to the client. She licks one, and the entire 8 inch strip of "good" glue fell off the envelope and dangled from her tongue. She said that it was "unthatithfactory am pleathe take them back and rerun them. Pluth they tathte tewwible." We all stood around looking at them here at the shop. I picked one up and found that if I ran it over the edge of the desk, the entire strip of "good glue" popped right off and fluttered to the floor. Seven of us stood around popping glue strips for an hour, and now we have a carton of brochures that are nice and clean like they were 2 days ago. We are taking them to another vendor who will put a strip of 2 sided tape on top of that BAD glue and perhaps save this job yet again! The mailing has been a huge success, our client has broken records for the money that this piece has generated - so I don't think that I have lost a customer over this. But my envelope converter has. Craig Vestal President Portage Printing 1116 W Centre, Portage, MI 49024 269.323.9333 PortagePrinting.com From jodib at blackfoot.net Fri May 16 16:28:06 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Fri May 16 16:28:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] lick and stick References: <20080514145858.B5B3DF25CCA@rb.enter.net> <005901c8b790$3c472bd0$0400000a@CraigNotebook> Message-ID: <012d01c8b793$596f21b0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Craig: Glad to see you still have a positive attitude, as does your customer. Hope you get this resolved. Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Vestal" To: Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:05 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] lick and stick > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have been in this business for more than 30 years, and every day there > is an incredible new challenge to learn from. Today's involved envelope > converting. We ran 75,000 4/4 appeals for a local nonprofit that also > needed a reply envelope. I cleverly designed it into the end of the > self-mailer and we got approval from the client. We printed all the > sheets, and then sent them out to be scored and perfed and the envelope > pocket glued shut on each side. So far so good. > > The brochures came back on time and we noticed that the horizontal > "remoistenable" glue strip was unusually thick and shiny...kind of like > you see from a hot glue gun. After the piece went out, our client started > getting the envelopes back - UNSEALED. The glue failed on about 85 % of > the time and the envelopes came back with the donor info uncovered and the > payment falling out. Later, they got a call from a woman who was going to > the hospital because she licked one of these and her tongue puffed up and > lost all sensation - she wanted the newspapers and radio stations to carry > an alert concering the possible poisoning threat. Her doctoctor diagnosed > an allergic reaction and we did not do any publicity about the danger. > > Client is upset. > > We had a couple of meetings with the envelope converters and the salesman > attempted to address our concerns by eating three of the envelopes at the > meeting while we watched. His mouth felt fine, he assured us. We asked for > a discount (we got it) and some help with the remaining 1500 brochures > that the client wanted for face-to-face solicitations over the coming > year. The envelope guys told us happily that they had a solution: they ran > the pieces back through another glue machine and put "good" glue on top of > that bad glue and it "really really works." > > Today we took the fixed envelopes back to the client. She licks one, and > the entire 8 inch strip of "good" glue fell off the envelope and dangled > from her tongue. She said that it was "unthatithfactory am pleathe take > them back and rerun them. Pluth they tathte tewwible." > > We all stood around looking at them here at the shop. I picked one up and > found that if I ran it over the edge of the desk, the entire strip of > "good glue" popped right off and fluttered to the floor. Seven of us stood > around popping glue strips for an hour, and now we have a carton of > brochures that are nice and clean like they were 2 days ago. We are taking > them to another vendor who will put a strip of 2 sided tape on top of that > BAD glue and perhaps save this job yet again! The mailing has been a huge > success, our client has broken records for the money that this piece has > generated - so I don't think that I have lost a customer over this. > > But my envelope converter has. > > Craig Vestal > President > Portage Printing > 1116 W Centre, Portage, MI 49024 > 269.323.9333 > PortagePrinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sgfinke at fuse.net Fri May 16 17:00:30 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Fri May 16 16:59:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] lick and stick In-Reply-To: <005901c8b790$3c472bd0$0400000a@CraigNotebook> References: <20080514145858.B5B3DF25CCA@rb.enter.net> <005901c8b790$3c472bd0$0400000a@CraigNotebook> Message-ID: <0500F7AC-A23B-467E-A1EF-63B70FEBCBCB@fuse.net> !!!!! That sounds like an episode of "The Office." I bet you could sell the storyline! That is one of the most bizarre stories I've heard in ages. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On May 16, 2008, at 4:05 PM, Craig Vestal wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have been in this business for more than 30 years, and every day > there is an incredible new challenge to learn from. Today's > involved envelope converting. We ran 75,000 4/4 appeals for a > local nonprofit that also needed a reply envelope. I cleverly > designed it into the end of the self-mailer and we got approval > from the client. We printed all the sheets, and then sent them out > to be scored and perfed and the envelope pocket glued shut on each > side. So far so good. > > The brochures came back on time and we noticed that the horizontal > "remoistenable" glue strip was unusually thick and shiny...kind of > like you see from a hot glue gun. After the piece went out, our > client started getting the envelopes back - UNSEALED. The glue > failed on about 85 % of the time and the envelopes came back with > the donor info uncovered and the payment falling out. Later, they > got a call from a woman who was going to the hospital because she > licked one of these and her tongue puffed up and lost all sensation > - she wanted the newspapers and radio stations to carry an alert > concering the possible poisoning threat. Her doctoctor diagnosed an > allergic reaction and we did not do any publicity about the danger. > > Client is upset. > > We had a couple of meetings with the envelope converters and the > salesman attempted to address our concerns by eating three of the > envelopes at the meeting while we watched. His mouth felt fine, he > assured us. We asked for a discount (we got it) and some help with > the remaining 1500 brochures that the client wanted for face-to- > face solicitations over the coming year. The envelope guys told us > happily that they had a solution: they ran the pieces back through > another glue machine and put "good" glue on top of that bad glue > and it "really really works." > > Today we took the fixed envelopes back to the client. She licks > one, and the entire 8 inch strip of "good" glue fell off the > envelope and dangled from her tongue. She said that it was > "unthatithfactory am pleathe take them back and rerun them. Pluth > they tathte tewwible." > > We all stood around looking at them here at the shop. I picked one > up and found that if I ran it over the edge of the desk, the entire > strip of "good glue" popped right off and fluttered to the floor. > Seven of us stood around popping glue strips for an hour, and now > we have a carton of brochures that are nice and clean like they > were 2 days ago. We are taking them to another vendor who will put > a strip of 2 sided tape on top of that BAD glue and perhaps save > this job yet again! The mailing has been a huge success, our client > has broken records for the money that this piece has generated - so > I don't think that I have lost a customer over this. > > But my envelope converter has. > > Craig Vestal > President > Portage Printing > 1116 W Centre, Portage, MI 49024 > 269.323.9333 > PortagePrinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Fri May 16 17:22:25 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Fri May 16 17:22:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Competence Test In-Reply-To: <012d01c8b793$596f21b0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Message-ID: We've had some turnover recently and some really, really bad results with new hires. Now most of this is my fault I suppose, but there's only so much you can get from an interview. I'm thinking of putting together a simple competency test, much like one I took to get a job at Boston Market when I was in high school. I'm thinking of asking them to spell some basic words, read measurements on a ruler, just a really simple aptitude test. Does anyone have anything like this? Yes, I am thoroughly embarrassed. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com From sandy at cornerstone-print.com Fri May 16 17:45:17 2008 From: sandy at cornerstone-print.com (Sandy Clark) Date: Fri May 16 17:45:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Question References: Message-ID: <008201c8b79e$21f550a0$0c02a8c0@SandyTP> John, In my book, you've always been a winner........regardless of your concatenated columns. I doubt that solving my Excel problem could represent much of a trophy among your collection. But your advice is 'priceless' (as the commercial goes) and I really appreciate your input as well as the others who responded. The only loser in this deal was me until I asked for help on this list. I hope we're all happy now. Let's get a beer! It's happy hour. Sandy Clark Cornerstone Print & Imaging, LLC 179 State Route 31 Flemington, NJ 08822 (908) 782-7966 (908) 782-1011 FAX www.cornerstone-print.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well Sandy.... don't keep us in suspense.... which approach did you use? I still think mine was the simplest... I just tried the =A2&" "&B2 with two columns of data and it worked great. Excel is an absolutely amazing program, despite the fact it has a few bugs in it, including one or two I have recently discovered while working on the Operating Ratio Study. John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road, W. Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) (New book by Larry Hunt & John Stewart) **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri May 16 18:06:54 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri May 16 18:07:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Question Message-ID: In a message dated 5/16/2008 5:46:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sandy@cornerstone-print.com writes: John, In my book, you've always been a winner........regardless of your concatenated columns. I doubt that solving my Excel problem could represent much of a trophy among your collection. Sandy, Seriously I wanted to know which method you used, I really do..... I might have suggested concat???.... but I couldn't pronounce it, spell it, nor have I ever used it.... So, I just typed in combining text columns in the upper right hand of Excel and the first one that came up I tried with a short sample and it worked.... Amazing! John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) From sos at olympus.net Fri May 16 18:21:36 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri May 16 18:19:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] lick and stick References: <20080514145858.B5B3DF25CCA@rb.enter.net> <005901c8b790$3c472bd0$0400000a@CraigNotebook> Message-ID: <00b101c8b7a3$3463b100$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Vestal" > We have been in this business for more than 30 years, and every day there > is an incredible new challenge to learn from. Today's involved envelope > converting. We ran 75,000 4/4 appeals for a local nonprofit that also > needed a reply envelope. I cleverly designed it into the end of the > self-mailer and we got approval from the client. ======================== We do a mailer like this each year for our local UGN. Seattle Envelope calls is a standard Unit 1 mailer, we've done it for 11 years and it was a standard item long before that. Not that you aren't clever for doing one yourself. But do you mind if I share you story with our converter. I'm thinking they might find it amusing and possibly a lesson in not trying new untested glues. Thanks, Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From brianoday at eprint.us Fri May 16 18:20:24 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Fri May 16 18:23:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Variable Data Pricing Question..... In-Reply-To: <200805161631.m4GGV3bq052571@i2bnetworks.com> References: <20080515202322.2A30CF2A57E@rb.enter.net><004401c8b6da$d19ea520$74dbef60$@net><482D7CA3.4060505@clearnet.net> <200805161631.m4GGV3bq052571@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <015f01c8b7a3$09ff7cf0$800101df@eprint.local> We charge $100 per hour to program then get a premium on the clicks. We have a variable job with Barcodes we do for a commercial printer in town and we get programming (min $25 for one name) and .05 per copy. We got that for 200,000 copies black on 20#. I would say a minimum of a 25% up charge on clicks just because they are variable and not many folks can do it! The initial order they paid us to learn Barcodes. Brian O'Day ePRINT 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland Oregon 97223 (503)684-267 Brianoday@eprint.us www.eprint.us -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 9:31 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Variable Data Pricing Question..... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I agree with Dan on this. I'm not set on pricing for VDP either yet but I think you could have gotten at least 4X or 5X what you charged for the value added if you had sold the service correctly. The marketplace has not been commoditized for VDP yet. Eventually, like all things that time will come. NOW is the time to recapture ROI on your investment in this technology, NOW is the time you should be charging confiscatory rates for VDP. S. At 05:22 AM 5/16/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Hey Chris, > >Let me preface my reply with the fact that I would also consider >myself a novice in the field of variable data printing but hope you >do find it of some value. > >I really don't think you want to be building any 10000 page pdf >files. The software you are asking about is called Fusion Pro >Desktop from Printable. Here is a link to their online tutorials: > >http://www.printable.com/self-guided-tutorials > >You didn't say what rip you are using but if you have the Creo then >you would simply compose the output file from Fusion Pro to a >multi-file vps file. Create a new folder first and direct the >composer to put all the files in it. Copy the folder over to the >Creo and use the import feature to import the vps file that you will >find in the folder to the Process Queue. From there you can set your >parameters for the job. The file will print at normal speed. > >I just did a 10,500 pager last week. Same size, 8.5x14. It was >actually 42000 records imposed 4 up. Worked fine. > >As far as the pricing, for what it is worth, I added $250 to the >price of the job for the variable data. I , like you, would like to >hear how others determine what to charge for variable data setup. I >am not looking for prices, but would like to know the thought >process you use to determine your pricing. > >Thanks in advance to all replies! > >Randy Hurley >Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. >17 South Third Street >P.O. Box 23 >Clearfield, PA 16830 >814-765-4731 >Fax: 814-765-1380 >cpc@clearnet.net > > >Chris Barton wrote: > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>This is a two part question.........I'm hoping to get a quick education >>here....first....we have been playing a little doing some variable data >>projects on our KM C6500.....it has worked well so far with no >>issues....mostly doing badges for one customer with variable names and/or >>numbers..... >> >>Now, a customer has called asking me to price a job for him and I really >>don't know what is competitive.... >> > >> >>The Second question is software....I remember seeing some software discussed >>here that was recommended for variable that was inexpensive...like $500 as I >>recall...and I remember someone saying it had a free trial period. >>Also.....my prepress person will have to make a 10,000 document PDF using >>indesign for this....how does the new softwares work? Will she NOT have to >>do that? >> > >>Chris Barton >> >> >>Digital Color Graphics, Inc. >>3209 W. Warner Avenue >>Santa Ana, CA 92704 >> >>(714) 241-8443 >>www.digitalcolorgraphics.com >> > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3105 (20080516) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Fri May 16 18:31:30 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Fri May 16 18:31:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Competence Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CA85BBB8D161A0-E98-E71@WEBMAIL-DC03.sysops.aol.com> :? )? Borzou I'm laughing and not at you directly.? But I totally understand what your going through!? What is it with some of these applicants.? Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Borzou Azabdaftari To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Fri, 16 May 2008 5:22 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] Competence Test ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We've had some turnover recently and some really, really bad results with new hires. Now most of this is my fault I suppose, but there's only so much you can get from an interview. I'm thinking of putting together a simple competency test, much like one I took to get a job at Boston Market when I was in high school. I'm thinking of asking them to spell some basic words, read measurements on a ruler, just a really simple aptitude test. Does anyone have anything like this? Yes, I am thoroughly embarrassed. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri May 16 18:16:33 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri May 16 18:36:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Helping a fellow printer... Presstek's Sales Practices Message-ID: I am posting this for someone who is not a member of this list in the hopes he might get some feedback. I have encouraged him to join but in the meantime I think the topic is important enough to encourage more feedback for him... so here goes: I am contacting the NAQP Membership for feedback on Presstek's "Sales Practices" . In November of 2007, my partner and I decided to purchase a 34 DI Press. Our company finally had enough work to support this investment and we wanted to take advantage of the tax break by year end. Presstek came in and offered us a price we thought was too high. I told this to the salesperson from Presstek, and I also told him that we were getting prices from a Ryobi dealer and also a used equipment press broker to explore our options. The Presstek salesperson sat in his car in our parking lot for 20 minutes, then came back in and said he had been on the phone with his manager and office and they had a "Demo Machine" with a full warranty in Hudson, NH (where their plant is located) and they would sell us this machine with more options than the dealers machine at a similar price. I gladly accepted the demo machine offer and said we would take it. I told the salesperson that I would give him a deposit if he needed and he said that wasn?t necessary. My partner had not seen the press so we asked Presstek when we could see a demo and sign the paper work.They made the appointment for 3 days later at their facility in Hudson,NH (approx 30 miles from our shop). We saw the demo (approx.1 1/2 hours long), renewed our excitement and with samples in hand, sat down to schedule delivery and sign whatever needed to be signed. Only then did we find out that the demo had been sold to someone else and was no longer an option! They apologized and presented paper work for a new press at a MUCH higher price. Angry and frustrated with our deadline approaching, we left. No sooner had I gotten back to my office when the salesperson called, reiterating that they were sorry, but they suddenly remembered their training machine could be sold and they would offer that at the discounted demo price with a full warranty. Again, we said okay and guess what! A couple of days later the salesperson calls to inform us that the "training press" did not have the heavy paper feed and could not be retrofitted so that wouldn't be an option (because he knew we ran a lot of 14 to 20pt stocks). It was now December and time was running out. I was sure Presstek was stalling and boxing me into a corner. The salesmanager for Presstek finally called and asked for a meeting. They offered to sell us a new press at a "special end of year demo" price. ($56,000 higher than we had been quoted initially for the first demo unit)! Talk about baiting and switching !! With no time left to pursue other machines, we signed and got the machine by year end (the first box arrived by the end of the year but nothing was set up until the end of January. The kicker was, a couple of weeks later during training at Presstek, another printer from Maryland gave a similar story of bait and switch by Presstek! He also said he knew of a couple of other printers in Maryland that he had found with these stories as well. Can anyone in the membership share their experiences that they have had with Presstek? Has anyone had similar sales tactics used by Presstek? I am in a legal battle with them and could use some support. Thanks for any help you can give. Respectfully, Peter Derby QPL,Inc & The Image Group 275 Billerica Road Chelmsford,Massachusetts 01824 Phone 978-256-1822 Fax 978-256-9595 Cell 978-815-8934 www.qplimage.com John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) From billg at TGAssociates.com Fri May 16 18:55:53 2008 From: billg at TGAssociates.com (Bill Greif) Date: Fri May 16 18:54:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Competence Test In-Reply-To: References: <012d01c8b793$596f21b0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Message-ID: <007f01c8b7a7$fe774570$6301a8c0@BILL> Many of you know that we provide assistance in staffing for the graphics industry. One of the tools we use for prescreening candidates is the Wonderlic test (Same one used by the NFL). In some parts of the country, it is virtually impossible to find candidates who can achieve a minimally acceptable score on the test. We now use an online Wonderlic as the first step in the prescreen and we will not even evaluate the candidate any further if they cannot achieve the minimum. For example we are trying to find a CSR for a client in Brooklyn. We have received over 290 resumes and so far have only had a handful achieve a passing score on Wonderlic. Bill Greif TG & Associates billg@tgassociates.com www.tgassociates.com Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 Toll Free 877-842-7762 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:22 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Competence Test ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We've had some turnover recently and some really, really bad results with new hires. Now most of this is my fault I suppose, but there's only so much you can get from an interview. I'm thinking of putting together a simple competency test, much like one I took to get a job at Boston Market when I was in high school. I'm thinking of asking them to spell some basic words, read measurements on a ruler, just a really simple aptitude test. Does anyone have anything like this? Yes, I am thoroughly embarrassed. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Fri May 16 19:20:23 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri May 16 19:18:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Competence Test References: <012d01c8b793$596f21b0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> <007f01c8b7a7$fe774570$6301a8c0@BILL> Message-ID: <011601c8b7ab$6a7f08e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Greif" > Many of you know that we provide assistance in staffing for the graphics > industry. One of the tools we use for prescreening candidates is the > Wonderlic test (Same one used by the NFL). ===================== I remember reading that Eli Manning scored the highest ever recorded in the NFL Wonderlic. And he just won the Super Bowl, so what does that tell you? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From armand at curryonline.com Fri May 16 21:33:11 2008 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Fri May 16 22:18:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Competence Test In-Reply-To: <011601c8b7ab$6a7f08e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <012d01c8b793$596f21b0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> <007f01c8b7a7$fe774570$6301a8c0@BILL> <011601c8b7ab$6a7f08e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <033801c8b7bd$f8532680$e8f97380$@com> That he would be a good candidate for that position in Brooklyn? Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing Auburn, ME 04210 armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 7:20 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Competence Test ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Greif" > Many of you know that we provide assistance in staffing for the graphics > industry. One of the tools we use for prescreening candidates is the > Wonderlic test (Same one used by the NFL). ===================== I remember reading that Eli Manning scored the highest ever recorded in the NFL Wonderlic. And he just won the Super Bowl, so what does that tell you? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From robin at protypeonline.com Sat May 17 09:54:13 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Sat May 17 09:54:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minolta C6500 Message-ID: we pay $0.0475 all sizes -- locked for 4 years. Ikon CPP650 Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. 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Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-332-2200 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com Standard turnaround time is 7-10 working days after final approval. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 3:25 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Minolta C6500 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are looking at this machine, however the dealer is 7.5 cents per click 8 1/2 x 11 Need verification that others are paying per click 12 x 18 Please help me out and let me know your experience with this machine Thanks Dave Golden Triangle Printing 80 Baffin Pl Unit 1 Waterloo, Ontario N2V 1Z7 Ph. 519-725-1414 Fax. 519-725-2051 sales@goldentriangleprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From michael at sirspeedy7099.com Sun May 18 14:50:25 2008 From: michael at sirspeedy7099.com (michael@sirspeedy7099.com) Date: Sun May 18 14:50:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Competence Test Message-ID: After one of the first employees we hired (must have been about 20 years ago) asked be how many "ticks" on the ruler was it to 5/8" I made up a simple ruler test with some additional simple math or money change questions. It's amazing the results I get and it saves me the time interviewing them if they can't read a ruler. Michael Brown Sir Speedy Printing Center 443 West Chester Pike Havertown PA 19083-4595 (610) 789-2685 Fax (610) 789-2695 michael@sirspeedy7099.com www.sirspeedy7099.com >-----Original Message----- >From: Borzou Azabdaftari [mailto:borzou@falconprintandcopy.com] >Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 05:22 PM >To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >Subject: [PrintOwners] Competence Test > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We've had some turnover recently and some really, really bad results with >new hires. Now most of this is my fault I suppose, but there's only so much >you can get from an interview. I'm thinking of putting together a simple >competency test, much like one I took to get a job at Boston Market when I >was in high school. I'm thinking of asking them to spell some basic words, >read measurements on a ruler, just a really simple aptitude test. Does >anyone have anything like this? > >Yes, I am thoroughly embarrassed. > >Borzou Azabdaftari >Falcon Print and Copy >1921 Gallows Road >Suite 150 >Vienna, VA 22182 >t.703.442.0124 >f.703.442.0134 >borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From prtquick at eos.net Mon May 19 08:17:59 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Mon May 19 08:13:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Competence Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I used to work at a publishing company that swore by the Wonderlic test. If there was a bad score on your new "interviewee" HR would not let you hire them. Any exception they had made to that rule over the years never worked out. I thought someone had posted here years ago about a simple math and printing terms 'screening test' they had made up and used. Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing On May 18, 2008, at 2:50 PM, michael@sirspeedy7099.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > After one of the first employees we hired (must have been about 20 > years ago) asked be how many "ticks" on the ruler was it to 5/8" I > made up a simple ruler test with some additional simple math or > money change questions. It's amazing the results I get and it saves > me the time interviewing them if they can't read a ruler. > > Michael Brown > Sir Speedy Printing Center > 443 West Chester Pike > Havertown PA 19083-4595 > (610) 789-2685 Fax (610) 789-2695 > michael@sirspeedy7099.com > www.sirspeedy7099.com > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Borzou Azabdaftari [mailto:borzou@falconprintandcopy.com] >> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 05:22 PM >> To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Competence Test >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> We've had some turnover recently and some really, really bad >> results with >> new hires. Now most of this is my fault I suppose, but there's >> only so much >> you can get from an interview. I'm thinking of putting together a >> simple >> competency test, much like one I took to get a job at Boston >> Market when I >> was in high school. I'm thinking of asking them to spell some >> basic words, >> read measurements on a ruler, just a really simple aptitude test. >> Does >> anyone have anything like this? >> >> Yes, I am thoroughly embarrassed. >> >> Borzou Azabdaftari >> Falcon Print and Copy >> 1921 Gallows Road >> Suite 150 >> Vienna, VA 22182 >> t.703.442.0124 >> f.703.442.0134 >> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From gamble at choiceonemail.com Mon May 19 08:50:51 2008 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Mon May 19 08:51:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Competence Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005601c8b9ae$f850ebc0$0201a8c0@RICK> With all the challenges we face today with environmental changes and rising costs, I am finding it so hard to find a younger work force to replace the ones leaving the industry. My experience has been padded resumes, people who excel during trial period only to under achieve when it is near the time when they can go back onto unemployment. I just had this discussion the other day with my Parents who are beginning to step down and pass the headaches on to me and they agreed that finding replacements for the ageing workforce is going to be one of my toughest challenges. Being from NY (The Welfare State) I read and listen to our local politicians and the newspapers on events that are going on around me and I see that as a Business owner I face an uphill battle daily just to stay on the straight and narrow to profitability as well as keeping up with technology. I have ranted enough it is only 8 am on Monday and already wish it was Friday. Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Finke Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 8:18 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Competence Test ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I used to work at a publishing company that swore by the Wonderlic test. If there was a bad score on your new "interviewee" HR would not let you hire them. Any exception they had made to that rule over the years never worked out. I thought someone had posted here years ago about a simple math and printing terms 'screening test' they had made up and used. Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing On May 18, 2008, at 2:50 PM, michael@sirspeedy7099.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > After one of the first employees we hired (must have been about 20 > years ago) asked be how many "ticks" on the ruler was it to 5/8" I > made up a simple ruler test with some additional simple math or > money change questions. It's amazing the results I get and it saves > me the time interviewing them if they can't read a ruler. > > Michael Brown > Sir Speedy Printing Center > 443 West Chester Pike > Havertown PA 19083-4595 > (610) 789-2685 Fax (610) 789-2695 > michael@sirspeedy7099.com > www.sirspeedy7099.com > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Borzou Azabdaftari [mailto:borzou@falconprintandcopy.com] >> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 05:22 PM >> To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Competence Test >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> We've had some turnover recently and some really, really bad >> results with >> new hires. Now most of this is my fault I suppose, but there's >> only so much >> you can get from an interview. I'm thinking of putting together a >> simple >> competency test, much like one I took to get a job at Boston >> Market when I >> was in high school. I'm thinking of asking them to spell some >> basic words, >> read measurements on a ruler, just a really simple aptitude test. >> Does >> anyone have anything like this? >> >> Yes, I am thoroughly embarrassed. >> >> Borzou Azabdaftari >> Falcon Print and Copy >> 1921 Gallows Road >> Suite 150 >> Vienna, VA 22182 >> t.703.442.0124 >> f.703.442.0134 >> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sandy at cornerstone-print.com Mon May 19 09:10:50 2008 From: sandy at cornerstone-print.com (Sandy Clark) Date: Mon May 19 09:10:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Question References: Message-ID: <002801c8b9b1$c2dad390$0c02a8c0@SandyTP> Hi John, Here's the expression we used: =CONCATENATE(A1," ",B1) We didn't really try any other suggestions that came in. When I check for the replies to my email, this expression seemed like the simplest for my fried Friday brain to grasp and pass on to our graphics person who actually used it. The other replies would probably have all worked fine. I should be so lucky with the lottery. Regards, Sandy Clark Cornerstone Print & Imaging, LLC 179 State Route 31 Flemington, NJ 08822 (908) 782-7966 (908) 782-1011 FAX www.cornerstone-print.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: QKCONSULT@aol.com To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Excel Question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 5/16/2008 5:46:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sandy@cornerstone-print.com writes: John, In my book, you've always been a winner........regardless of your concatenated columns. I doubt that solving my Excel problem could represent much of a trophy among your collection. Sandy, Seriously I wanted to know which method you used, I really do..... I might have suggested concat???.... but I couldn't pronounce it, spell it, nor have I ever used it.... So, I just typed in combining text columns in the upper right hand of Excel and the first one that came up I tried with a short sample and it worked.... Amazing! John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 From bob at rjmprinting.com Mon May 19 10:02:19 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Mon May 19 10:02:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6060 and Laser Printers Message-ID: Hi, We have a competitor telling customers that letterhead ran on their Xerox 6060 are safe to run on laser printers. We have stayed away from doing letterhead on our KM500. Thoughts? Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Mon May 19 10:10:16 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Mon May 19 10:10:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6060 and Laser Printers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It totally depends on the type of laser printer they're running it back through. We have a 6060, and have had nothing but problems with people trying to run our prints back through their printers. You have to run a few copies and have each customer test it. I don't know if its a function of how hot the individual printers get, or what the rollers are made of, but we usually get image transfer on other parts of the sheet. We also have a KMC451 though, and have had much better (still not 100%) success with that. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Bob Molacek > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 09:02:19 -0500 > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: [PrintOwners] 6060 and Laser Printers > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi, > > > > We have a competitor telling customers that letterhead ran on their Xerox > 6060 are safe to run on laser printers. We have stayed away from doing > letterhead on our KM500. Thoughts? > > > > Bob Molacek > > Sir Speedy Printing > > 7793 Ranchers Road > > Fridley, MN 55432 > > 763-571-4608 > > bob@rjmprinting.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From printian at gmail.com Mon May 19 10:12:23 2008 From: printian at gmail.com (Ian Franks) Date: Mon May 19 10:12:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6060 and Laser Printers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob When we have runs of less than 1000 we run on our C450 no complaints yet. This is on bond and other papers. 2008/5/19 Bob Molacek : > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi, > > > > We have a competitor telling customers that letterhead ran on their Xerox > 6060 are safe to run on laser printers. We have stayed away from doing > letterhead on our KM500. Thoughts? > > > > Bob Molacek > -- Regards Ian Franks Print Image 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo Johannesburg, South Africa Ph 011 447 3133 Fax 011 447 0642 sales@printimage.co.za www.printimage.co.za From kellycrom at gmail.com Mon May 19 10:14:55 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Mon May 19 10:15:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6060 and Laser Printers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <019101c8b9ba$cac2aa70$6d01a8c0@KELLY> We have a 6060, and have never recommended to our customers that they can run its output back through their laser printers. On occasion, a customer has requested it, but then we tell them we will run some sample output for them, and explain that they do so at their own risk of ruining their printer. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Molacek > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 9:02 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] 6060 and Laser Printers > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi, > > > > We have a competitor telling customers that letterhead ran on > their Xerox > 6060 are safe to run on laser printers. We have stayed away > from doing > letterhead on our KM500. Thoughts? > > > > Bob Molacek > > Sir Speedy Printing > > 7793 Ranchers Road > > Fridley, MN 55432 > > 763-571-4608 > > bob@rjmprinting.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From Minmandon at aol.com Mon May 19 10:16:44 2008 From: Minmandon at aol.com (Minmandon@aol.com) Date: Mon May 19 10:17:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6060 and Laser Printers Message-ID: In a message dated 5/19/2008 10:03:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bob@rjmprinting.com writes: We have a competitor telling customers that letterhead ran on their Xerox 6060 are safe to run on laser printers. There is a new Kinko's about a mile up the road from my shop. I stopped in last week to see if I could get them to refer printing work to me. I was told that they are doing letterhead on a Xerox 250. I always thought that you can't run anything toner based through a laser printer. The general manager assured me that it hasn't been a problem. Of course, they have only been in business about 6 months. The manager said that they have been doing over forty thousand a month for the past few months. There must be a lot of business out there that I don't know about. Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield 954 421-9904 **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) From tracey at targetcopy.com Mon May 19 10:21:21 2008 From: tracey at targetcopy.com (Tracey Cohen) Date: Mon May 19 10:21:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6060 and Laser Printers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001a01c8b9bb$a0bddf00$e2399d00$@com> We stay away from running letterhead on our 8000 for the same reasons. When we have taken a chance or an employee "didn't know", it's always come back and bitten us in the butt. I'm curious to see if others have had success with it on Xerox equipment though... Tracey G. Cohen President Target Copy 850.224.3007 850.325.3668 fax 635 West Tennessee Street Tallahassee, Fl 32304 www.targetcopy.com > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi, > > > > We have a competitor telling customers that letterhead ran on their Xerox > 6060 are safe to run on laser printers. We have stayed away from doing > letterhead on our KM500. Thoughts? > > > > Bob Molacek > -- Regards Ian Franks Print Image 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo Johannesburg, South Africa Ph 011 447 3133 Fax 011 447 0642 sales@printimage.co.za www.printimage.co.za _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com Mon May 19 12:30:20 2008 From: sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com (Date-Line Digital Printing) Date: Mon May 19 12:33:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6060 and Laser Printers In-Reply-To: <001a01c8b9bb$a0bddf00$e2399d00$@com> References: <001a01c8b9bb$a0bddf00$e2399d00$@com> Message-ID: <002401c8b9cd$a2e3c710$e8ab5530$@com> We have been able to do short run letterhead through a Xerox 3535 without any issues, but I think we have just been lucky. Travis Lewis Date-Line Digital Printing Fairbanks, AK -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tracey Cohen Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 6:21 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] 6060 and Laser Printers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We stay away from running letterhead on our 8000 for the same reasons. When we have taken a chance or an employee "didn't know", it's always come back and bitten us in the butt. I'm curious to see if others have had success with it on Xerox equipment though... Tracey G. Cohen President Target Copy 850.224.3007 850.325.3668 fax 635 West Tennessee Street Tallahassee, Fl 32304 www.targetcopy.com > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi, > > > > We have a competitor telling customers that letterhead ran on their Xerox > 6060 are safe to run on laser printers. We have stayed away from doing > letterhead on our KM500. Thoughts? > > > > Bob Molacek > -- Regards Ian Franks Print Image 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo Johannesburg, South Africa Ph 011 447 3133 Fax 011 447 0642 sales@printimage.co.za www.printimage.co.za _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jodib at blackfoot.net Mon May 19 13:21:36 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Mon May 19 13:21:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Competence Test References: <005601c8b9ae$f850ebc0$0201a8c0@RICK> Message-ID: <008101c8b9d4$cad214f0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> For the last couple of positions that we've had to fill, I have used an employment agency with generally favorable results. They do all the testing and screening and will handle any 'issues' along with me that we have (which is few because I've given them the guidelines of what I'm looking for). I have to pay 480 hours to them (of the employee) and then if everyone is happy the employee is then turned over to my payroll. It has saved me lot of headaches and a lot of work. We also utilize using the agency when we have an overload in the bindery department and need help with booklets, numbering, stapling, etc. It has been a win-win situation . Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Bird" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 6:50 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Competence Test > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > With all the challenges we face today with environmental changes and > rising > costs, I am finding it so hard to find a younger work force to replace the > ones leaving the industry. > > My experience has been padded resumes, people who excel during trial > period only to under achieve when it is near the time when they can go > back > onto unemployment. I just had this discussion the other day with my > Parents > who are beginning to step down and pass the headaches on to me and they > agreed that finding replacements for the ageing workforce is going to be > one > of my toughest challenges. > > Being from NY (The Welfare State) I read and listen to our local > politicians and the newspapers on events that are going on around me and I > see that as a Business owner I face an uphill battle daily just to stay on > the straight and narrow to profitability as well as keeping up with > technology. > > I have ranted enough it is only 8 am on Monday and already wish it > was Friday. > > > Rick Bird > Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. > 3649 California Road > Orchard Park, NY 14127 > (716) 662-1515 > (716) 662-5917 - Fax > gamble@choiceonemail.com - email > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Finke > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 8:18 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Competence Test > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I used to work at a publishing company that swore by the Wonderlic test. > If there was a bad score on your new "interviewee" HR would not let > you hire them. > Any exception they had made to that rule over the years never worked > out. > > I thought someone had posted here years ago about a simple math and > printing terms 'screening test' they had made up and used. > > > Scott Finke > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Visit our new location! > > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Phone: (513) 522.2679 > Fax (513) 522.2692 > Email: info@brentwood-printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > www.Brentwood-Printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Send us your file at: > http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Quick. Quality. Printing > > > > On May 18, 2008, at 2:50 PM, michael@sirspeedy7099.com wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> After one of the first employees we hired (must have been about 20 >> years ago) asked be how many "ticks" on the ruler was it to 5/8" I >> made up a simple ruler test with some additional simple math or >> money change questions. It's amazing the results I get and it saves >> me the time interviewing them if they can't read a ruler. >> >> Michael Brown >> Sir Speedy Printing Center >> 443 West Chester Pike >> Havertown PA 19083-4595 >> (610) 789-2685 Fax (610) 789-2695 >> michael@sirspeedy7099.com >> www.sirspeedy7099.com >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Borzou Azabdaftari [mailto:borzou@falconprintandcopy.com] >>> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 05:22 PM >>> To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >>> Subject: [PrintOwners] Competence Test >>> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> We've had some turnover recently and some really, really bad >>> results with >>> new hires. Now most of this is my fault I suppose, but there's >>> only so much >>> you can get from an interview. I'm thinking of putting together a >>> simple >>> competency test, much like one I took to get a job at Boston >>> Market when I >>> was in high school. I'm thinking of asking them to spell some >>> basic words, >>> read measurements on a ruler, just a really simple aptitude test. >>> Does >>> anyone have anything like this? >>> >>> Yes, I am thoroughly embarrassed. >>> >>> Borzou Azabdaftari >>> Falcon Print and Copy >>> 1921 Gallows Road >>> Suite 150 >>> Vienna, VA 22182 >>> t.703.442.0124 >>> f.703.442.0134 >>> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From slb at inkspot.net Mon May 19 13:49:55 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon May 19 13:50:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need source for large job Message-ID: <48318583.11270.DF9BCB4@slb.inkspot.net> A customer is asking me to quote a job that I know is too big to be optimal for our equipment. I need a source for 15,000 - 30,000 booklets, all 4/4, finished size of 8.5x11, self-cover, about 24 pages. They're not sure of the quantity or the page count--they'll depend on the intersection of the pricing with the budget, at the least. Anybody on the forum interested, or able to recommend a source? The job would have to include shipping to us (near Philadelphia). TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com Mon May 19 14:40:04 2008 From: Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com (Gerry Engelhart) Date: Mon May 19 14:40:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) Message-ID: <200805191340922.SM06564@Engelhart> I have a treo 650. I like the fact that it stores all my contacts and has an easy keyboard for texting. I am on Verizon and I am very happy with their service. It is starting to fall apart and I can A) get it replaced via the extended warranty for $50.00 B) get a new upgraded phone The problem is that I do not know which phone to get. Anyone have any experience with a phone they like, that stores 100's of phone numbers that are recallable by typing in the first few letters and has an easy keyboard to use thanks gerry Engelhart porath printsource cleveland ohio From printweb at campbellcopy.com Mon May 19 14:58:03 2008 From: printweb at campbellcopy.com (John Beery) Date: Mon May 19 14:58:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) In-Reply-To: <200805191340922.SM06564@Engelhart> Message-ID: <004701c8b9e2$45ab2290$c70a0a0a@D5N31R91> The Blackberry. I currently use a Treo 750 Windows version because I need the Windows programs. I previously had a Blackberry and in my opinion the contact management, call management and email handling were much better on the Blackberry. It's handling of Word documents however is less than desirable. If I didn't need to have a Windows device for other programs I would definitely go back to the Blackberry. Oh, and the battery life on the Blackberry was much better too. John Beery Harrisonburg Printing & Graphics 540-434-4171 ext 101 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Engelhart Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 2:40 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a treo 650. I like the fact that it stores all my contacts and has an easy keyboard for texting. I am on Verizon and I am very happy with their service. It is starting to fall apart and I can A) get it replaced via the extended warranty for $50.00 B) get a new upgraded phone The problem is that I do not know which phone to get. Anyone have any experience with a phone they like, that stores 100's of phone numbers that are recallable by typing in the first few letters and has an easy keyboard to use thanks gerry Engelhart porath printsource cleveland ohio _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Mon May 19 15:09:58 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Mon May 19 15:10:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) In-Reply-To: <004701c8b9e2$45ab2290$c70a0a0a@D5N31R91> Message-ID: I'm a blackberry fan. I've had everything except the TREO (iphone, every motorola, lg, nokia, etc.), and the blackberry is the best. The iphone is amazing, but at&t isn't great, and since it brings in images, fonts, etc. with the emails, looking at emails takes FOREVER, which was a nightmare even with this list, that converts everything to text. The blackberry gets all the emails to you me instantly, syncs seamlessly with my mac (contacts, email, everything), and for those of you who use PCs it'll do the same. The internet is weak compared to the iphone (haven't seen it on the treo), but I can still find an address, phone number, or movie times if I need to. In every arena, battery life, reliability, durability (I'm rough on the poor little guy), its the best phone I've ever owned. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: John Beery > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:58:03 -0400 > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The Blackberry. I currently use a Treo 750 Windows version because I need > the Windows programs. I previously had a Blackberry and in my opinion the > contact management, call management and email handling were much better on > the Blackberry. It's handling of Word documents however is less than > desirable. If I didn't need to have a Windows device for other programs I > would definitely go back to the Blackberry. > > Oh, and the battery life on the Blackberry was much better too. > > John Beery > Harrisonburg Printing & Graphics > 540-434-4171 ext 101 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Engelhart > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 2:40 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a treo 650. I like the fact that it stores all my contacts and has > an easy keyboard for texting. > I am on Verizon and I am very happy with their service. > > > It is starting to fall apart and I can > A) get it replaced via the extended warranty for $50.00 > B) get a new upgraded phone > > The problem is that I do not know which phone to get. Anyone have any > experience with > a phone they like, that stores 100's of phone numbers that are recallable by > typing in the first few letters and has an easy keyboard to use > > thanks > > gerry Engelhart > porath printsource > cleveland ohio > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From char at themasterspress.com Mon May 19 15:13:00 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Mon May 19 15:13:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) In-Reply-To: <200805191340922.SM06564@Engelhart> References: <200805191340922.SM06564@Engelhart> Message-ID: <00f601c8b9e4$5b0e6050$0b01a8c0@CharXP> I love my iPhone and have not even touched the possiblities of contacts it can give me. I don't know this for sure, but in my limited experience it syncs with windows and Mac. It does have a short battery life but I just plug it in at nite and it is always ready to go. So..... simple to use. And that my friend comes from the world's greatest computer challenged PO probably on this list. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Engelhart Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 1:40 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a treo 650. I like the fact that it stores all my contacts and has an easy keyboard for texting. I am on Verizon and I am very happy with their service. It is starting to fall apart and I can A) get it replaced via the extended warranty for $50.00 B) get a new upgraded phone The problem is that I do not know which phone to get. Anyone have any experience with a phone they like, that stores 100's of phone numbers that are recallable by typing in the first few letters and has an easy keyboard to use thanks gerry Engelhart porath printsource cleveland ohio _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3110 (20080519) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3110 (20080519) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From char at themasterspress.com Mon May 19 15:24:05 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Mon May 19 15:24:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser Message-ID: <00fb01c8b9e5$e71ebda0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Am I the only one getting an out of the office message from Bill every time I send to PO. It comes to me directly and does not say Print Owners but I get them all day. Just wondering how I got so lucky. :-) ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com From jodib at blackfoot.net Mon May 19 15:39:37 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Mon May 19 15:39:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser References: <00fb01c8b9e5$e71ebda0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <00ad01c8b9e8$12b7dd50$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Char: I have been getting these too. Maybe another unidentifiable lurker? Kind of annoying. Maybe a friend of Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlene Sims" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 1:24 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Am I the only one getting an out of the office message from Bill every > time > I send to PO. It comes to me directly and does not say Print Owners but I > get them all day. > > Just wondering how I got so lucky. :-) > > ch > > > > Charlene Sims > > President > > The Master's Press, Inc. > > 14550 Midway Road > > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > > www.TheMastersPress.com > > char@themasterspress.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Mon May 19 15:42:21 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Mon May 19 15:42:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser In-Reply-To: <00fb01c8b9e5$e71ebda0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: I'm getting them too. It weird that it doesn't go to the whole group, but better. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Charlene Sims > Organization: The Master's Press > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:24:05 -0500 > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Am I the only one getting an out of the office message from Bill every time > I send to PO. It comes to me directly and does not say Print Owners but I > get them all day. > > Just wondering how I got so lucky. :-) > > ch > > > > Charlene Sims > > President > > The Master's Press, Inc. > > 14550 Midway Road > > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > > www.TheMastersPress.com > > char@themasterspress.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From dennis.trump at gmail.com Mon May 19 15:43:28 2008 From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump) Date: Mon May 19 15:43:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser In-Reply-To: <00fb01c8b9e5$e71ebda0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <00fb01c8b9e5$e71ebda0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <41aa6a080805191243l6f18d531v51f9fab7ebf66a4e@mail.gmail.com> No I get them when I post also. I think he must have some of our names flagged to read specific posts and that's why we're getting them. -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 > Am I the only one getting an out of the office message from Bill every time > I send to PO. It comes to me directly and does not say Print Owners but I > get them all day. > > Just wondering how I got so lucky. :-) > > ch > From kellycrom at gmail.com Mon May 19 15:44:48 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Mon May 19 15:45:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser In-Reply-To: <00fb01c8b9e5$e71ebda0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <00fb01c8b9e5$e71ebda0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <004401c8b9e8$cd9dc800$6d01a8c0@KELLY> I assume that we are all getting them. That is another nice feature of WebsitesForPrinters, if you use them for hosting your email, you can login to your webmail, and setup a vacation/out of office setting that only sends out your out-of-office reply once to each reply-to email while it is turned on. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 2:24 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Am I the only one getting an out of the office message from > Bill every time > I send to PO. It comes to me directly and does not say Print > Owners but I > get them all day. > > Just wondering how I got so lucky. :-) > > ch > > > > Charlene Sims > > President > > The Master's Press, Inc. > > 14550 Midway Road > > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > > www.TheMastersPress.com > > char@themasterspress.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From ernlang at planttel.net Mon May 19 15:50:34 2008 From: ernlang at planttel.net (ernlang@planttel.net) Date: Mon May 19 15:45:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Copier Info Message-ID: <50221.216.105.181.217.1211226634.squirrel@webmail.planttel.net> I am looking at a color copier and would like some feedback if anyone has experience with this machine. Ricoh Aficio MP C7500 (also sold as Lanier LD275c and Savin C7570) This is a new machine released in January of this year. ==================================== Ernest Lang Lang Printing and Office Supply 101 3rd St. E. Tifton, GA 31794 P - 229-382-4264 F - 229-387-0087 ernlang@friendlycity.net ==================================== From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Mon May 19 15:52:39 2008 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Mon May 19 15:52:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser In-Reply-To: <41aa6a080805191243l6f18d531v51f9fab7ebf66a4e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00ee01c8b9e9$e5358e70$5a01a8c0@fileserver> The good news is he will be back in civilization tomorrow. Maybe he will have pictures. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Trump Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 2:43 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** No I get them when I post also. I think he must have some of our names flagged to read specific posts and that's why we're getting them. -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 > Am I the only one getting an out of the office message from Bill every time > I send to PO. It comes to me directly and does not say Print Owners but I > get them all day. > > Just wondering how I got so lucky. :-) > > ch > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3110 (20080519) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com Mon May 19 15:49:09 2008 From: sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com (Date-Line Digital Printing) Date: Mon May 19 15:52:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) In-Reply-To: <00f601c8b9e4$5b0e6050$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <200805191340922.SM06564@Engelhart> <00f601c8b9e4$5b0e6050$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <004901c8b9e9$728ef870$57ace950$@com> I too love my iPhone. I traded up from the Blackjack II, and haven't looked back. It syncs seamlessly with MS outlook, There is a web app for just about anything, it automatically connects to open Wi-Fi points, and it just works.... My only gripe is that it doesn't have a built in to-do list. Travis Lewis Date-Line Digital Printing Fairbanks, AK -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 11:13 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I love my iPhone and have not even touched the possiblities of contacts it can give me. I don't know this for sure, but in my limited experience it syncs with windows and Mac. It does have a short battery life but I just plug it in at nite and it is always ready to go. So..... simple to use. And that my friend comes from the world's greatest computer challenged PO probably on this list. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Engelhart Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 1:40 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a treo 650. I like the fact that it stores all my contacts and has an easy keyboard for texting. I am on Verizon and I am very happy with their service. It is starting to fall apart and I can A) get it replaced via the extended warranty for $50.00 B) get a new upgraded phone The problem is that I do not know which phone to get. Anyone have any experience with a phone they like, that stores 100's of phone numbers that are recallable by typing in the first few letters and has an easy keyboard to use thanks gerry Engelhart porath printsource cleveland ohio _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3110 (20080519) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3110 (20080519) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From billg at TGAssociates.com Mon May 19 16:21:18 2008 From: billg at TGAssociates.com (Bill Greif) Date: Mon May 19 16:19:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser In-Reply-To: <00fb01c8b9e5$e71ebda0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <00fb01c8b9e5$e71ebda0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <003c01c8b9ed$e58f9880$6301a8c0@BILL> I believe that Bill forwarded a message to Print Owners when he tried to unsubscribe for the period he was going to be gone but he was unable to do so. Bill Greif TG & Associates billg@tgassociates.com www.tgassociates.com Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 Toll Free 877-842-7762 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 12:24 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Am I the only one getting an out of the office message from Bill every time I send to PO. It comes to me directly and does not say Print Owners but I get them all day. Just wondering how I got so lucky. :-) ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sgfinke at fuse.net Mon May 19 16:39:39 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Mon May 19 16:38:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser In-Reply-To: <003c01c8b9ed$e58f9880$6301a8c0@BILL> References: <00fb01c8b9e5$e71ebda0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <003c01c8b9ed$e58f9880$6301a8c0@BILL> Message-ID: I'm not getting any. I think Dennis is right and he has some flagged. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On May 19, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Bill Greif wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I believe that Bill forwarded a message to Print Owners when he > tried to > unsubscribe for the period he was going to be gone but he was > unable to do > so. > > Bill Greif > TG & Associates > billg@tgassociates.com > www.tgassociates.com > Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 > Toll Free 877-842-7762 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 12:24 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Am I the only one getting an out of the office message from Bill > every time > I send to PO. It comes to me directly and does not say Print > Owners but I > get them all day. > > Just wondering how I got so lucky. :-) > > ch > > > > Charlene Sims > > President > > The Master's Press, Inc. > > 14550 Midway Road > > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > > www.TheMastersPress.com > > char@themasterspress.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From david at commercialpressink.com Mon May 19 16:47:28 2008 From: david at commercialpressink.com (David Charleson) Date: Mon May 19 16:42:44 2008 Subject: SPAM-MED: [PrintOwners] Need source for large job In-Reply-To: <48318583.11270.DF9BCB4@slb.inkspot.net> References: <48318583.11270.DF9BCB4@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <4831E760.3080802@commercialpressink.com> Hello, We have used a place called Book-mart Press, North Bergen, N.J. (201)-864-1887 send one big job a year there for the last 2 yrs with good results my job was perfect bound so you might want to check with them and see if the saddle stitch. -- David Charleson Commercial Press Inc. 216 Cowan Rd Canton NY 13617 P 315.386.3431 david@commercialpressink.com www.commercialpressink.com From sgfinke at fuse.net Mon May 19 16:49:52 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Mon May 19 16:48:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser In-Reply-To: References: <00fb01c8b9e5$e71ebda0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <003c01c8b9ed$e58f9880$6301a8c0@BILL> Message-ID: Oops, got one. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On May 19, 2008, at 4:39 PM, Scott and Gail Finke wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > I'm not getting any. I think Dennis is right and he has some flagged. > > > > Gail Finke > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, OH 45231 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > (513) 522-2679 > Fax 522-2692 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > info@brentwood-printing.com > www.brentwood-printing.com > > > > > On May 19, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Bill Greif wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I believe that Bill forwarded a message to Print Owners when he >> tried to >> unsubscribe for the period he was going to be gone but he was >> unable to do >> so. >> >> Bill Greif >> TG & Associates >> billg@tgassociates.com >> www.tgassociates.com >> Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 >> Toll Free 877-842-7762 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims >> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 12:24 PM >> To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Am I the only one getting an out of the office message from Bill >> every time >> I send to PO. It comes to me directly and does not say Print >> Owners but I >> get them all day. >> >> Just wondering how I got so lucky. :-) >> >> ch >> >> >> >> Charlene Sims >> >> President >> >> The Master's Press, Inc. >> >> 14550 Midway Road >> >> Dallas, Tx 75244 >> >> >> >> 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 >> >> www.TheMastersPress.com >> >> char@themasterspress.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From gamble at choiceonemail.com Mon May 19 16:51:37 2008 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Mon May 19 16:51:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser In-Reply-To: References: <00fb01c8b9e5$e71ebda0$0b01a8c0@CharXP><003c01c8b9ed$e58f9880$6301a8c0@BILL> Message-ID: <00a001c8b9f2$22291100$0201a8c0@RICK> Ok now I am paranoid.. why am I flagged...:) Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott and Gail Finke Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 4:40 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I'm not getting any. I think Dennis is right and he has some flagged. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On May 19, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Bill Greif wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I believe that Bill forwarded a message to Print Owners when he > tried to > unsubscribe for the period he was going to be gone but he was > unable to do > so. > > Bill Greif > TG & Associates > billg@tgassociates.com > www.tgassociates.com > Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 > Toll Free 877-842-7762 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 12:24 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Am I the only one getting an out of the office message from Bill > every time > I send to PO. It comes to me directly and does not say Print > Owners but I > get them all day. > > Just wondering how I got so lucky. :-) > > ch > > > > Charlene Sims > > President > > The Master's Press, Inc. > > 14550 Midway Road > > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > > www.TheMastersPress.com > > char@themasterspress.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jodib at blackfoot.net Mon May 19 16:56:02 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Mon May 19 16:56:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser References: <00fb01c8b9e5$e71ebda0$0b01a8c0@CharXP><003c01c8b9ed$e58f9880$6301a8c0@BILL> <00a001c8b9f2$22291100$0201a8c0@RICK> Message-ID: <00e701c8b9f2$bf8de1f0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> I think we're flagged because we are Special :-) Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Bird" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 2:51 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Ok now I am paranoid.. why am I flagged...:) > > Rick Bird > Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. > 3649 California Road > Orchard Park, NY 14127 > (716) 662-1515 > (716) 662-5917 - Fax > gamble@choiceonemail.com - email > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott and Gail > Finke > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 4:40 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > I'm not getting any. I think Dennis is right and he has some flagged. > > > > Gail Finke > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, OH 45231 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > (513) 522-2679 > Fax 522-2692 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > info@brentwood-printing.com > www.brentwood-printing.com > > > > > On May 19, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Bill Greif wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I believe that Bill forwarded a message to Print Owners when he >> tried to >> unsubscribe for the period he was going to be gone but he was >> unable to do >> so. >> >> Bill Greif >> TG & Associates >> billg@tgassociates.com >> www.tgassociates.com >> Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 >> Toll Free 877-842-7762 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims >> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 12:24 PM >> To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Am I the only one getting an out of the office message from Bill >> every time >> I send to PO. It comes to me directly and does not say Print >> Owners but I >> get them all day. >> >> Just wondering how I got so lucky. :-) >> >> ch >> >> >> >> Charlene Sims >> >> President >> >> The Master's Press, Inc. >> >> 14550 Midway Road >> >> Dallas, Tx 75244 >> >> >> >> 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 >> >> www.TheMastersPress.com >> >> char@themasterspress.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kk1400 at charterinternet.com Mon May 19 17:21:15 2008 From: kk1400 at charterinternet.com (Monica Mead) Date: Mon May 19 17:20:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser In-Reply-To: <00e701c8b9f2$bf8de1f0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> References: <00fb01c8b9e5$e71ebda0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <003c01c8b9ed$e58f9880$6301a8c0@BILL> <00a001c8b9f2$22291100$0201a8c0@RICK> <00e701c8b9f2$bf8de1f0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Message-ID: <20080519212002.TMGN27901.aacpub01.charter.net@DellD800.charterinternet.com> You'll only get one if you post to the list. Obviously, he has it set to go to the "from" field instead of the "reply-to" field in the headers that accompany each post. Monica Mead Kwik Kopy Printing Dundas, MN At 03:56 PM 5/19/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I think we're flagged because we are Special :-) >Jodi Bowser >Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana >www.pyramidprintingmt.com >jodib@blackfoot.net >Member NAQP #205787 >Member Garden City BNI >406-728-1503 >fax 406-728-0505 > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Bird" >To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" >Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 2:51 PM >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser > > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>Ok now I am paranoid.. why am I flagged...:) >> >>Rick Bird >>Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. >>3649 California Road >>Orchard Park, NY 14127 >>(716) 662-1515 >>(716) 662-5917 - Fax >>gamble@choiceonemail.com - email >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >>[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott and Gail Finke >>Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 4:40 PM >>To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >>Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser >> >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >>I'm not getting any. I think Dennis is right and he has some flagged. >> >> >> >>Gail Finke >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >>8630 Winton Road >>Cincinnati, OH 45231 >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>(513) 522-2679 >>Fax 522-2692 >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>info@brentwood-printing.com >>www.brentwood-printing.com >> >> >> >> >>On May 19, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Bill Greif wrote: >> >>>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>>I believe that Bill forwarded a message to Print Owners when he >>>tried to >>>unsubscribe for the period he was going to be gone but he was >>>unable to do >>>so. >>> >>>Bill Greif >>>TG & Associates >>>billg@tgassociates.com >>>www.tgassociates.com >>>Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 >>>Toll Free 877-842-7762 >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >>>[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims >>>Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 12:24 PM >>>To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >>>Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser >>> >>>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>>Am I the only one getting an out of the office message from Bill >>>every time >>>I send to PO. It comes to me directly and does not say Print >>>Owners but I >>>get them all day. >>> >>>Just wondering how I got so lucky. :-) >>> >>>ch >>> >>> >>> >>>Charlene Sims >>> >>>President >>> >>>The Master's Press, Inc. >>> >>>14550 Midway Road >>> >>>Dallas, Tx 75244 >>> >>> >>> >>>972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 >>> >>>www.TheMastersPress.com >>> >>>char@themasterspress.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>PrintOwners Discussion List >>>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>PrintOwners Discussion List >>>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3110 (20080519) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > From john at duplicatesink.com Mon May 19 17:43:16 2008 From: john at duplicatesink.com (John Cassidy) Date: Mon May 19 17:42:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Perfer - Scorer - Creaser In-Reply-To: <20080519212002.TMGN27901.aacpub01.charter.net@DellD800.charterinternet.com> Message-ID: <20080519214217.608681B4D4A@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> What are some of the fellow printers using for a perfer, scorer, creaser. We are looking for a solution to handle offset with powder as well as a digitally printed piece. Warmest Regards, John Cassidy www.duplicatesink.com Print & Communications If you always do what you have always done, you will ALWAYS get what you have ALWAYS got! Try some new creative marketing ideas. Give us a call to discuss your next direct mail marketing project. - From sgfinke at fuse.net Mon May 19 17:52:07 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Mon May 19 17:50:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser In-Reply-To: <20080519212002.TMGN27901.aacpub01.charter.net@DellD800.charterinternet.com> References: <00fb01c8b9e5$e71ebda0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <003c01c8b9ed$e58f9880$6301a8c0@BILL> <00a001c8b9f2$22291100$0201a8c0@RICK> <00e701c8b9f2$bf8de1f0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> <20080519212002.TMGN27901.aacpub01.charter.net@DellD800.charterinternet.com> Message-ID: <2EFC9C42-ACFB-471A-B463-386B91D9D33A@fuse.net> On May 19, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Monica Mead wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > You'll only get one if you post to the list. > > Obviously, he has it set to go to the "from" field instead of the > "reply-to" field in the headers that accompany each post. > Thank goodness he did, or we'd all have a mailbox full of those! If he did try to temporarily unsubscribe and couldn't, then maybe he set the computer this way to give the fewest number of messages possible. In which case I thank him. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com From slb at inkspot.net Mon May 19 18:08:27 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon May 19 18:08:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Perfer - Scorer - Creaser In-Reply-To: <20080519214217.608681B4D4A@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20080519212002.TMGN27901.aacpub01.charter.net@DellD800.charterinternet.com>, <20080519214217.608681B4D4A@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4831C21B.12056.EE66AB8@slb.inkspot.net> We're using a Rollem (for numbering, also), but I have the distinct impression that we're in the minority... Steve > > What are some of the fellow printers using for a perfer, scorer, creaser. > We are looking for a solution to handle offset with powder as well as a > digitally printed piece. > > > Warmest Regards, > John Cassidy > www.duplicatesink.com > > Print & Communications > If you always do what you have always done, you will ALWAYS get what you > have ALWAYS got! > > Try some new creative marketing ideas. Give us a call to discuss your next > direct mail marketing project. > > - > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3110 (20080519) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon May 19 18:10:51 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon May 19 18:11:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum book publishing standards needed ASAP Message-ID: Folks, I need your help. For years I have heard lots of talk and rumors as to printing standards, but can anyone point me to any printed documentation that spells out various levels of acceptable quality in the publishing industry? Is there such an animal? I am specifically referring to imposition standards related to general book publishing, and even more specifically to acceptable levels of quality as to variations in header and footer from signature to signature? I have done some quick research but I have been unable to find anything written down. Urgent help with documentation, if it exists, would be greatly appreciated. If you publish books yourself, do you have any self-imposed standards that you would be willing to share with me. Preferably, however, they should be written down and used on a consistent basis. Thanks for your help. Full story to follow. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) From sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com Mon May 19 18:08:31 2008 From: sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com (Date-Line Digital Printing) Date: Mon May 19 18:12:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Perfer - Scorer - Creaser In-Reply-To: <20080519214217.608681B4D4A@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20080519212002.TMGN27901.aacpub01.charter.net@DellD800.charterinternet.com> <20080519214217.608681B4D4A@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <000001c8b9fc$e1dddd50$a59997f0$@com> We use the Tri-Creaser and MicroPerf from Tech-ni-fold. Both work as advertised. Good weekly e-mail with tips and tricks from other real world users. http://www.technifoldusa.com/index.html Travis Lewis Date-Line Digital Printing Fairbanks, AK -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Cassidy Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 1:43 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Perfer - Scorer - Creaser ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** What are some of the fellow printers using for a perfer, scorer, creaser. We are looking for a solution to handle offset with powder as well as a digitally printed piece. Warmest Regards, John Cassidy www.duplicatesink.com Print & Communications If you always do what you have always done, you will ALWAYS get what you have ALWAYS got! Try some new creative marketing ideas. Give us a call to discuss your next direct mail marketing project. - _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon May 19 18:48:50 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Mon May 19 18:48:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Copier Info In-Reply-To: <50221.216.105.181.217.1211226634.squirrel@webmail.planttel.net> References: <50221.216.105.181.217.1211226634.squirrel@webmail.planttel.net> Message-ID: <00f701c8ba02$81ec3120$6401a8c0@coranew> Ernest, if you are going to be doing any double-sided cover (#80 or better) or any gloss cover, make sure that this machine will do it. I am getting rid of my Lanier LD425c because the sales person told me it would do anything I wanted to. I loved the color on it, but after 2 years they are campaigning about all the service calls and said that the double-sided card stock and the gloss card stock are out of speck. I called their tech department and ask what machine they would recommend to do these jobs and they told me that Lanier doesn't make a machine that will do this. Now my salesman is trying to sell me a Lanier 260c and says it will do what I need, but the tech department says "NO", so I bought the OCE SD550. I WILL do what I need Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon May 19 18:49:47 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Mon May 19 18:49:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser In-Reply-To: References: <00fb01c8b9e5$e71ebda0$0b01a8c0@CharXP><003c01c8b9ed$e58f9880$6301a8c0@BILL> Message-ID: <012e01c8ba02$a3a79930$6401a8c0@coranew> I've been getting them also??? Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From championprinting at yahoo.com Mon May 19 19:10:41 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Mon May 19 19:10:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser Message-ID: <50860.37752.qm@web38904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I guess the list monitor does not see them. ? Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Cora To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 6:49:47 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I've been getting them also??? Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From robin at protypeonline.com Mon May 19 21:31:28 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Mon May 19 21:31:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser Message-ID: I'm getting it also! Poor guy, was trying to make his life easier by not collecting a ton of emails while he is out enjoying life. Oh well ! :) robin Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 Wright Printing Company 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Tue May 20 00:04:56 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Tue May 20 00:05:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Perfer - Scorer - Creaser In-Reply-To: <20080519214217.608681B4D4A@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20080519214217.608681B4D4A@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: John, I would be very surprised if anyone is having consistently good success with any scoring solution for digital color copies. We found this was a totally different animal from scoring our offset jobs, or even our B&W regular copy jobs. We tried with our Graphics Whizzard, we sent out to bindery houses to score and even had a die made to die cut and score a job. Nothing defeated the cracking of digital color copies. After very extensive research and demos, we went with the Morgana AutoCreaser 33. We paid around $11,700 for it. If you would like more info., let me know and I will send you my excel spreadsheet comparison between that and the CreaseMaster Plus and the EZ Creaser. We use it for traditional scoring as well. While it can be set up to perforate, we found using our Graphics Whizzard for perfing to be easier... Hope this helps! Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On May 19, 2008, at 5:43 PM, John Cassidy wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What are some of the fellow printers using for a perfer, scorer, > creaser. > We are looking for a solution to handle offset with powder as well > as a > digitally printed piece. > > > Warmest Regards, > John Cassidy > www.duplicatesink.com > > Print & Communications > If you always do what you have always done, you will ALWAYS get what > you > have ALWAYS got! > > Try some new creative marketing ideas. Give us a call to discuss > your next > direct mail marketing project. > > - > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From communicar at aol.com Tue May 20 01:49:29 2008 From: communicar at aol.com (communicar@aol.com) Date: Tue May 20 01:49:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum book publishing standards needed ASAP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA885467093BB7-1660-422E@webmail-nb04.sysops.aol.com> The only "Standard" I have ever seen has to do with ad specs in magazines. and allowing certain margins for trim (live image area must be at least xx" from trim). We do some perfect bound books with printed signatures. When we bid out the bindery we specify tight registration required?- cross overs must align. The bindery knows the standard on that job with that spec, but I wouldn't know what the "Standard" is when there is movement. Ken Azebu Communicart Graphics & Printing 499 Aldo Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408) 970-0922 (408) 970-8630 Fax -----Original Message----- From: QKCONSULT@aol.com To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Mon, 19 May 2008 3:10 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum book publishing standards needed ASAP ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Folks, I need your help. For years I have heard lots of talk and rumors as to printing standards, but can anyone point me to any printed documentation that spells out various levels of acceptable quality in the publishing industry? Is there such an animal? I am specifically referring to imposition standards related to general book publishing, and even more specifically to acceptable levels of quality as to variations in header and footer from signature to signature? I have done some quick research but I have been unable to find anything written down. Urgent help with documentation, if it exists, would be greatly appreciated. If you publish books yourself, do you have any self-imposed standards that you would be willing to share with me. Preferably, however, they should be written down and used on a consistent basis. Thanks for your help. Full story to follow. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bill at werkheiser.com Wed May 21 04:50:45 2008 From: bill at werkheiser.com (Bill Werkheiser) Date: Tue May 20 04:49:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser - MY EXPLANATION In-Reply-To: <00fb01c8b9e5$e71ebda0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <00fb01c8b9e5$e71ebda0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <4833E265.4070202@werkheiser.com> I'm terribly sorry this happened but I shouldn't be because I went to the Printowner's website (printweb.org) and asked to be removed as per instructions. My message actually got bounced. What else could I have done? For those who care, I took my son and a college friend of his to Yellowstone for seven days where we backpacked and camped along trails miles away from any cars, humans, etc. They had the skills and equipments and I provided the means. It was awesome as we saw practically every species known. I did not get home until 3:00 am but too wired to go to bed. Walking in the woods and seeing a black bear and two yearlings trying to slip away quietly less than a hundred yards away is awesome. Too many things to list such as laying in a tent and hearing the wolves do their thing or seeing a small heard of elk run across the top of a mountain as they caused a cascade of rocks to fall which actually got our attention or we would have missed it. One eighteen mile journey took us across state lines which made the trip sound bigger. BTW, there was no flagging of names, everyone should have gotten the autoresponder. A lurker? Bill Werkheiser http://WeLoveToPrint.com SE PrinTech / Coastal Mailing Services P O Box 27 - 315 E Banks St. Glennville, GA 30427 (912) 654-3610 phone (912) 654-3611 fax Charlene Sims wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Am I the only one getting an out of the office message from Bill every time > I send to PO. It comes to me directly and does not say Print Owners but I > get them all day. > > Just wondering how I got so lucky. :-) > > ch > > > > Charlene Sims > > President > > The Master's Press, Inc. > > 14550 Midway Road > > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > > www.TheMastersPress.com > > char@themasterspress.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3111 (20080520) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > From John at mpcny.com Tue May 20 07:21:01 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Tue May 20 07:20:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re Color Copier Info Message-ID: <00d301c8ba6b$95fa8770$c1ef9650$@com> I looked at them at Ondemand. Felt the output quality was clearly below the KM and X. It is 2 clicks per 11x17 and the click rate was higher. Did not handle thick stock as well or as many types. That taken in all, it was a dog and not the best choice for the print for pay market. 3 years ago this would have top line, today not so much. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1455 - Release Date: 5/19/2008 5:04 PM From swiftyprinting at mac.com Tue May 20 07:46:55 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Tue May 20 07:47:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Perfer - Scorer - Creaser In-Reply-To: <20080519214217.608681B4D4A@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <20080519214217.608681B4D4A@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <9D0BB6F6-7581-440E-8EEB-27BC9B8D4162@mac.com> On May 19, 2008, at 5:43 PM, John Cassidy wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What are some of the fellow printers using for a perfer, scorer, > creaser. > We are looking for a solution to handle offset with powder as well > as a > digitally printed piece. > If you want full automation take a look at the Duplo-645 Cut, slit, perf, crease all in one step. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue May 20 08:41:15 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue May 20 08:41:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Perfer - Scorer - Creaser In-Reply-To: <000001c8b9fc$e1dddd50$a59997f0$@com> References: <20080519212002.TMGN27901.aacpub01.charter.net@DellD800.charterinternet.com> <20080519214217.608681B4D4A@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <000001c8b9fc$e1dddd50$a59997f0$@com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620805200541l439a7212h1e4256ec5078ad69@mail.gmail.com> We also use Tri-Creasers. We have them on our MBO folder & a Rollem Champion perf-score machine. Works well although we still sometimes have problems with cracking on a right-angle fold against the grain. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Travis said; > We use the Tri-Creaser and MicroPerf from Tech-ni-fold. Both work as > advertised. Good weekly e-mail with tips and tricks from other real world > users. > > http://www.technifoldusa.com/index.html From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Tue May 20 08:46:36 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt) Date: Tue May 20 08:46:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser - MY EXPLANATION In-Reply-To: <4833E265.4070202@werkheiser.com> Message-ID: On 5/21/08 3:50 AM, "Bill Werkheiser" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'm terribly sorry this happened but I shouldn't be because I went to > the Printowner's website (printweb.org) and asked to be removed as per > instructions. My message actually got bounced. What else could I have done? Hi Bill, I got the message and if I remember correctly, it said you would be out and also that the message would only be received one time, which it was. You did not flood PrintOwners with your message with every post, which was very thoughtful of you. It sounds like you had a wonderful trip - I have never been to Yellowstone. It's on my list of things to do. Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From jacemeister at gmail.com Tue May 20 08:59:15 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Tue May 20 08:59:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Perfer - Scorer - Creaser In-Reply-To: References: <20080519214217.608681B4D4A@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: I was set to order a Morgana Creaser until last week when a GW rep caught wind of it. He brought a Graphic Whizard Creaser here to demo and though my mind was already made up I was impressed to say the least. I ran various coated and uncoated stocks through it and they did not crack whatsoever. We intentially folded pieces against the grain AND against the score (wrong side). We folded the pieces inside out (both ways) and they still did not crack at all. We ran metal objects across the fold to make sure the fold was tight and still no crack. I was very surprised to say the least and ordered one that day. We're expecting delivery in a week or two. As Chuck pointed out, this unit will make multiple perfs or scores in one pass, and it will strike slit or strike perf so you can make a true T-slit in virtually any position, if you have that need. On top of everything else, GW offers a 5 YEAR WARRANTY. You won't get that out of Morgana. GW was aggressive with their pricing and threw in lots of extras. This machine will also allow us to quickly and effortlessly score wrap-around covers for our carbonless books (our carbonless business is stronger than ever) and perfect bound covers in as many positions as we could ever need. Do your self a favor and compare the machines side by side. GW appears to be a better built machine (more steel) and a better performer (more speed). BTW, I tried them all and could not find any scoring wheel that would totally eliminate cracking. You must use a true creaser if you never want to worry about cracking again. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Ben Travis wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > John, > > I would be very surprised if anyone is having consistently good success > with any scoring solution for digital color copies. We found this was a > totally different animal from scoring our offset jobs, or even our B&W > regular copy jobs. > > We tried with our Graphics Whizzard, we sent out to bindery houses to score > and even had a die made to die cut and score a job. Nothing defeated the > cracking of digital color copies. > > After very extensive research and demos, we went with the Morgana > AutoCreaser 33. We paid around $11,700 for it. If you would like more info., > let me know and I will send you my excel spreadsheet comparison between that > and the CreaseMaster Plus and the EZ Creaser. > > We use it for traditional scoring as well. While it can be set up to > perforate, we found using our Graphics Whizzard for perfing to be easier... > > Hope this helps! > > Ben Travis > > Copy Express > 4004-A South Blvd. > Charlotte, NC 20209 > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net > 704-527-1750 > > > On May 19, 2008, at 5:43 PM, John Cassidy wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> What are some of the fellow printers using for a perfer, scorer, creaser. >> We are looking for a solution to handle offset with powder as well as a >> digitally printed piece. >> >> >> Warmest Regards, >> John Cassidy >> www.duplicatesink.com >> >> From chris at mmgraphicsandmail.com Tue May 20 09:24:17 2008 From: chris at mmgraphicsandmail.com (Chris Cochran) Date: Tue May 20 09:24:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser - MY EXPLANATION In-Reply-To: <4833E265.4070202@werkheiser.com> Message-ID: <000001c8ba7c$ce3c52b0$2e01a8c0@ChrisCochran> I'll vouch for Bill as I know him and that is probably the reason why I remember his post to Bob Bergey about the problem with unsubscribing from the list. Cut him some slack it really wasn't his fault. Chris Cochran M & M Graphics, Inc. "Our work makes you look better" Tel:704-376-0938 www.mmgraphicsandmail.com Print** Design** Mailing** Copy Services Promotional Items - at great prices. Take a look at our Promotional Items Catalog on the left side of our website. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bill Werkheiser Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:51 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser - MY EXPLANATION ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I'm terribly sorry this happened but I shouldn't be because I went to the Printowner's website (printweb.org) and asked to be removed as per instructions. My message actually got bounced. What else could I have done? For those who care, I took my son and a college friend of his to Yellowstone for seven days where we backpacked and camped along trails miles away from any cars, humans, etc. They had the skills and equipments and I provided the means. It was awesome as we saw practically every species known. I did not get home until 3:00 am but too wired to go to bed. Walking in the woods and seeing a black bear and two yearlings trying to slip away quietly less than a hundred yards away is awesome. Too many things to list such as laying in a tent and hearing the wolves do their thing or seeing a small heard of elk run across the top of a mountain as they caused a cascade of rocks to fall which actually got our attention or we would have missed it. One eighteen mile journey took us across state lines which made the trip sound bigger. BTW, there was no flagging of names, everyone should have gotten the autoresponder. A lurker? Bill Werkheiser http://WeLoveToPrint.com SE PrinTech / Coastal Mailing Services P O Box 27 - 315 E Banks St. Glennville, GA 30427 (912) 654-3610 phone (912) 654-3611 fax Charlene Sims wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Am I the only one getting an out of the office message from Bill every > time I send to PO. It comes to me directly and does not say Print > Owners but I get them all day. > > Just wondering how I got so lucky. :-) > > ch > > > > Charlene Sims > > President > > The Master's Press, Inc. > > 14550 Midway Road > > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > > www.TheMastersPress.com > > char@themasterspress.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 3111 (20080520) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From championprinting at yahoo.com Tue May 20 11:03:03 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Tue May 20 11:03:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser - MY EXPLANATION Message-ID: <222235.22452.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Regular readers of this list know that Bill has been on this list a long time. And we recognize that this is not his fault (other than using a darned auto responder ). The list monitor generally removes anyone who sets their list email to auto respond and was apparently unable to do so this time. I don't know how Bill does it, but he is always a day ahead of the rest of us (according to the posting dates). Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Chris Cochran To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:24:17 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser - MY EXPLANATION ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I'll vouch for Bill as I know him and that is probably the reason why I remember his post to Bob Bergey about the problem with unsubscribing from the list. Cut him some slack it really wasn't his fault. Chris Cochran M & M Graphics, Inc. "Our work makes you look better" Tel:704-376-0938 www.mmgraphicsandmail.com Print** Design** Mailing** Copy Services Promotional Items - at great prices. Take a look at our Promotional Items Catalog on the left side of our website. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bill Werkheiser Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:51 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser - MY EXPLANATION ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I'm terribly sorry this happened but I shouldn't be because I went to the Printowner's website (printweb.org) and asked to be removed as per instructions. My message actually got bounced. What else could I have done? For those who care, I took my son and a college friend of his to Yellowstone for seven days where we backpacked and camped along trails miles away from any cars, humans, etc. They had the skills and equipments and I provided the means. It was awesome as we saw practically every species known. I did not get home until 3:00 am but too wired to go to bed. Walking in the woods and seeing a black bear and two yearlings trying to slip away quietly less than a hundred yards away is awesome. Too many things to list such as laying in a tent and hearing the wolves do their thing or seeing a small heard of elk run across the top of a mountain as they caused a cascade of rocks to fall which actually got our attention or we would have missed it. One eighteen mile journey took us across state lines which made the trip sound bigger. BTW, there was no flagging of names, everyone should have gotten the autoresponder. A lurker? Bill Werkheiser http://WeLoveToPrint.com SE PrinTech / Coastal Mailing Services P O Box 27 - 315 E Banks St. Glennville, GA 30427 (912) 654-3610 phone (912) 654-3611 fax Charlene Sims wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Am I the only one getting an out of the office message from Bill every > time I send to PO. It comes to me directly and does not say Print > Owners but I get them all day. > > Just wondering how I got so lucky. :-) > > ch > > > > Charlene Sims > > President > > The Master's Press, Inc. > > 14550 Midway Road > > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > > www.TheMastersPress.com > > char@themasterspress.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 3111 (20080520) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Sam at mojavecopy.com Tue May 20 11:30:24 2008 From: Sam at mojavecopy.com (Sam Pulice) Date: Tue May 20 11:34:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Competence test In-Reply-To: <20080519192410.F08F2F3C145@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: We also use the wonderlic. It is not the only way to put applicants to the test but sure is helpful when getting good help quick. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of printowners-request@printweb.org Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 12:24 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 33, Issue 48 Send PrintOwners mailing list submissions to printowners@printweb.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to printowners-request@printweb.org You can reach the person managing the list at printowners-owner@printweb.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of PrintOwners digest..." ***** This is a PrintOwners List Digest ***** Today's Topics: 1. Re: Competence Test (Jodi Bowser) 2. Need source for large job (Steve Blatman) 3. Cell phones (off ! ) (Gerry Engelhart) 4. RE: Cell phones (off ! ) (John Beery) 5. Re: Cell phones (off ! ) (Borzou Azabdaftari) 6. RE: Cell phones (off ! ) (Charlene Sims) 7. Bill Werkheiser (Charlene Sims) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 11:21:36 -0600 From: "Jodi Bowser" Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Competence Test To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Message-ID: <008101c8b9d4$cad214f0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original For the last couple of positions that we've had to fill, I have used an employment agency with generally favorable results. They do all the testing and screening and will handle any 'issues' along with me that we have (which is few because I've given them the guidelines of what I'm looking for). I have to pay 480 hours to them (of the employee) and then if everyone is happy the employee is then turned over to my payroll. It has saved me lot of headaches and a lot of work. We also utilize using the agency when we have an overload in the bindery department and need help with booklets, numbering, stapling, etc. It has been a win-win situation . Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Bird" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 6:50 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Competence Test > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > With all the challenges we face today with environmental changes and > rising > costs, I am finding it so hard to find a younger work force to replace the > ones leaving the industry. > > My experience has been padded resumes, people who excel during trial > period only to under achieve when it is near the time when they can go > back > onto unemployment. I just had this discussion the other day with my > Parents > who are beginning to step down and pass the headaches on to me and they > agreed that finding replacements for the ageing workforce is going to be > one > of my toughest challenges. > > Being from NY (The Welfare State) I read and listen to our local > politicians and the newspapers on events that are going on around me and I > see that as a Business owner I face an uphill battle daily just to stay on > the straight and narrow to profitability as well as keeping up with > technology. > > I have ranted enough it is only 8 am on Monday and already wish it > was Friday. > > > Rick Bird > Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. > 3649 California Road > Orchard Park, NY 14127 > (716) 662-1515 > (716) 662-5917 - Fax > gamble@choiceonemail.com - email > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Finke > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 8:18 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Competence Test > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I used to work at a publishing company that swore by the Wonderlic test. > If there was a bad score on your new "interviewee" HR would not let > you hire them. > Any exception they had made to that rule over the years never worked > out. > > I thought someone had posted here years ago about a simple math and > printing terms 'screening test' they had made up and used. > > > Scott Finke > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Visit our new location! > > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Phone: (513) 522.2679 > Fax (513) 522.2692 > Email: info@brentwood-printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > www.Brentwood-Printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Send us your file at: > http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Quick. Quality. Printing > > > > On May 18, 2008, at 2:50 PM, michael@sirspeedy7099.com wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> After one of the first employees we hired (must have been about 20 >> years ago) asked be how many "ticks" on the ruler was it to 5/8" I >> made up a simple ruler test with some additional simple math or >> money change questions. It's amazing the results I get and it saves >> me the time interviewing them if they can't read a ruler. >> >> Michael Brown >> Sir Speedy Printing Center >> 443 West Chester Pike >> Havertown PA 19083-4595 >> (610) 789-2685 Fax (610) 789-2695 >> michael@sirspeedy7099.com >> www.sirspeedy7099.com >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Borzou Azabdaftari [mailto:borzou@falconprintandcopy.com] >>> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 05:22 PM >>> To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >>> Subject: [PrintOwners] Competence Test >>> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> We've had some turnover recently and some really, really bad >>> results with >>> new hires. Now most of this is my fault I suppose, but there's >>> only so much >>> you can get from an interview. I'm thinking of putting together a >>> simple >>> competency test, much like one I took to get a job at Boston >>> Market when I >>> was in high school. I'm thinking of asking them to spell some >>> basic words, >>> read measurements on a ruler, just a really simple aptitude test. >>> Does >>> anyone have anything like this? >>> >>> Yes, I am thoroughly embarrassed. >>> >>> Borzou Azabdaftari >>> Falcon Print and Copy >>> 1921 Gallows Road >>> Suite 150 >>> Vienna, VA 22182 >>> t.703.442.0124 >>> f.703.442.0134 >>> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 13:49:55 -0400 From: "Steve Blatman" Subject: [PrintOwners] Need source for large job To: printowners@printweb.org Message-ID: <48318583.11270.DF9BCB4@slb.inkspot.net> A customer is asking me to quote a job that I know is too big to be optimal for our equipment. I need a source for 15,000 - 30,000 booklets, all 4/4, finished size of 8.5x11, self-cover, about 24 pages. They're not sure of the quantity or the page count--they'll depend on the intersection of the pricing with the budget, at the least. Anybody on the forum interested, or able to recommend a source? The job would have to include shipping to us (near Philadelphia). TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:40:04 -0400 From: "Gerry Engelhart" Subject: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) To: Message-ID: <200805191340922.SM06564@Engelhart> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have a treo 650. I like the fact that it stores all my contacts and has an easy keyboard for texting. I am on Verizon and I am very happy with their service. It is starting to fall apart and I can A) get it replaced via the extended warranty for $50.00 B) get a new upgraded phone The problem is that I do not know which phone to get. Anyone have any experience with a phone they like, that stores 100's of phone numbers that are recallable by typing in the first few letters and has an easy keyboard to use thanks gerry Engelhart porath printsource cleveland ohio ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:58:03 -0400 From: "John Beery" Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Message-ID: <004701c8b9e2$45ab2290$c70a0a0a@D5N31R91> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" The Blackberry. I currently use a Treo 750 Windows version because I need the Windows programs. I previously had a Blackberry and in my opinion the contact management, call management and email handling were much better on the Blackberry. It's handling of Word documents however is less than desirable. If I didn't need to have a Windows device for other programs I would definitely go back to the Blackberry. Oh, and the battery life on the Blackberry was much better too. John Beery Harrisonburg Printing & Graphics 540-434-4171 ext 101 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Engelhart Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 2:40 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a treo 650. I like the fact that it stores all my contacts and has an easy keyboard for texting. I am on Verizon and I am very happy with their service. It is starting to fall apart and I can A) get it replaced via the extended warranty for $50.00 B) get a new upgraded phone The problem is that I do not know which phone to get. Anyone have any experience with a phone they like, that stores 100's of phone numbers that are recallable by typing in the first few letters and has an easy keyboard to use thanks gerry Engelhart porath printsource cleveland ohio _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 15:09:58 -0400 From: Borzou Azabdaftari Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I'm a blackberry fan. I've had everything except the TREO (iphone, every motorola, lg, nokia, etc.), and the blackberry is the best. The iphone is amazing, but at&t isn't great, and since it brings in images, fonts, etc. with the emails, looking at emails takes FOREVER, which was a nightmare even with this list, that converts everything to text. The blackberry gets all the emails to you me instantly, syncs seamlessly with my mac (contacts, email, everything), and for those of you who use PCs it'll do the same. The internet is weak compared to the iphone (haven't seen it on the treo), but I can still find an address, phone number, or movie times if I need to. In every arena, battery life, reliability, durability (I'm rough on the poor little guy), its the best phone I've ever owned. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: John Beery > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:58:03 -0400 > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The Blackberry. I currently use a Treo 750 Windows version because I need > the Windows programs. I previously had a Blackberry and in my opinion the > contact management, call management and email handling were much better on > the Blackberry. It's handling of Word documents however is less than > desirable. If I didn't need to have a Windows device for other programs I > would definitely go back to the Blackberry. > > Oh, and the battery life on the Blackberry was much better too. > > John Beery > Harrisonburg Printing & Graphics > 540-434-4171 ext 101 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Engelhart > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 2:40 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a treo 650. I like the fact that it stores all my contacts and has > an easy keyboard for texting. > I am on Verizon and I am very happy with their service. > > > It is starting to fall apart and I can > A) get it replaced via the extended warranty for $50.00 > B) get a new upgraded phone > > The problem is that I do not know which phone to get. Anyone have any > experience with > a phone they like, that stores 100's of phone numbers that are recallable by > typing in the first few letters and has an easy keyboard to use > > thanks > > gerry Engelhart > porath printsource > cleveland ohio > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:13:00 -0500 From: "Charlene Sims" Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Message-ID: <00f601c8b9e4$5b0e6050$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I love my iPhone and have not even touched the possiblities of contacts it can give me. I don't know this for sure, but in my limited experience it syncs with windows and Mac. It does have a short battery life but I just plug it in at nite and it is always ready to go. So..... simple to use. And that my friend comes from the world's greatest computer challenged PO probably on this list. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Engelhart Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 1:40 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a treo 650. I like the fact that it stores all my contacts and has an easy keyboard for texting. I am on Verizon and I am very happy with their service. It is starting to fall apart and I can A) get it replaced via the extended warranty for $50.00 B) get a new upgraded phone The problem is that I do not know which phone to get. Anyone have any experience with a phone they like, that stores 100's of phone numbers that are recallable by typing in the first few letters and has an easy keyboard to use thanks gerry Engelhart porath printsource cleveland ohio _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3110 (20080519) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3110 (20080519) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:24:05 -0500 From: "Charlene Sims" Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Message-ID: <00fb01c8b9e5$e71ebda0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Am I the only one getting an out of the office message from Bill every time I send to PO. It comes to me directly and does not say Print Owners but I get them all day. Just wondering how I got so lucky. :-) ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners End of PrintOwners Digest, Vol 33, Issue 48 ******************************************* -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1454 - Release Date: 5/19/2008 7:44 AM From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Tue May 20 12:46:06 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Tue May 20 12:46:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser - MY EXPLANATION In-Reply-To: <222235.22452.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On behalf of people who don't know Bill, I don't think anyone is legitimately upset with him. I don't know why his away message directed the individuals instead of the group, but that is definitely a plus, since we got it only when we posted, and not whenever anyone posted. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Ted Gelletly > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 08:03:03 -0700 (PDT) > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser - MY EXPLANATION > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Regular readers of this list know that Bill has been on this list a long time. > And we recognize that this is not his fault (other than using a darned auto > responder ). The list monitor generally removes anyone who sets their list > email to auto respond and was apparently unable to do so this time. I don't > know how Bill does it, but he is always a day ahead of the rest of us > (according to the posting dates). > > Ted Gelletly > Champion Printing > 5401 New Expansion Drive > Eldersburg MD 21784 > 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 > ted@championprintingonline.com > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Chris Cochran > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:24:17 AM > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser - MY EXPLANATION > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'll vouch for Bill as I know him and that is probably the reason why I > remember his post to Bob Bergey about the problem with unsubscribing from > the list. Cut him some slack it really wasn't his fault. > > > Chris Cochran > M & M Graphics, Inc. > "Our work makes you look better" > Tel:704-376-0938 > www.mmgraphicsandmail.com > > Print** Design** Mailing** Copy Services > > Promotional Items - at great prices. Take a look at our Promotional Items > Catalog on the left side of our website. > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bill Werkheiser > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:51 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser - MY EXPLANATION > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'm terribly sorry this happened but I shouldn't be because I went to the > Printowner's website (printweb.org) and asked to be removed as per > instructions. My message actually got bounced. What else could I have done? > > For those who care, I took my son and a college friend of his to Yellowstone > for seven days where we backpacked and camped along trails miles away from > any cars, humans, etc. They had the skills and equipments and I provided the > means. It was awesome as we saw practically every species known. I did not > get home until 3:00 am but too wired to go to bed. Walking in the woods and > seeing a black bear and two yearlings trying to slip away quietly less than > a hundred yards away is awesome. Too many things to list such as laying in a > tent and hearing the wolves do their thing or seeing a small heard of elk > run across the top of a mountain as they caused a cascade of rocks to fall > which actually got our attention or we would have missed it. One eighteen > mile journey took us across state lines which made the trip sound bigger. > > BTW, there was no flagging of names, everyone should have gotten the > autoresponder. A lurker? > > Bill Werkheiser > http://WeLoveToPrint.com > SE PrinTech / Coastal Mailing Services > P O Box 27 - 315 E Banks St. > Glennville, GA 30427 > (912) 654-3610 phone > (912) 654-3611 fax > > > > Charlene Sims wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Am I the only one getting an out of the office message from Bill every >> time I send to PO. It comes to me directly and does not say Print >> Owners but I get them all day. >> >> Just wondering how I got so lucky. :-) >> >> ch >> >> >> >> Charlene Sims >> >> President >> >> The Master's Press, Inc. >> >> 14550 Midway Road >> >> Dallas, Tx 75244 >> >> >> >> 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 >> >> www.TheMastersPress.com >> >> char@themasterspress.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 3111 (20080520) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From gamble at choiceonemail.com Tue May 20 13:30:50 2008 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Tue May 20 13:31:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price quote Message-ID: <002001c8ba9f$3fa84d60$0201a8c0@RICK> I received this price quote from a good customer of mine and we don't do this in house and was not sure if anybody on the list did. See specs below: Breakdown Pass pads: 4.25x7" 2 part carbonless I figure standard 2 part Numbered in red Stapled @ top with wraparound cover Black & white 2500, 5000, & 7500 pads of 50 Thanks in advance Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email From bob at rjmprinting.com Tue May 20 13:42:28 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Tue May 20 13:42:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price quote In-Reply-To: <002001c8ba9f$3fa84d60$0201a8c0@RICK> Message-ID: Try Royal Business Forms 800-843-5325 or 763-560-6650 Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Rick Bird Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 12:31 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Price quote ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I received this price quote from a good customer of mine and we don't do this in house and was not sure if anybody on the list did. See specs below: Breakdown Pass pads: 4.25x7" 2 part carbonless I figure standard 2 part Numbered in red Stapled @ top with wraparound cover Black & white 2500, 5000, & 7500 pads of 50 Thanks in advance Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com Tue May 20 13:38:07 2008 From: sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com (Date-Line Digital Printing) Date: Tue May 20 13:43:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser - MY EXPLANATION In-Reply-To: References: <222235.22452.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002401c8baa0$6c01f360$4405da20$@com> Bill, I am glad you had a good trip, and welcome back. Travis Lewis Date-Line Digital Printing Fairbanks, AK From jacemeister at gmail.com Tue May 20 13:47:15 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Tue May 20 13:47:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price quote In-Reply-To: <002001c8ba9f$3fa84d60$0201a8c0@RICK> References: <002001c8ba9f$3fa84d60$0201a8c0@RICK> Message-ID: If they want 7500 pads of 50 (375,000 total) I think Ennis would be a good source, although their service is very slow. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Rick Bird wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I received this price quote from a good customer of mine and we don't do > this in house and was not sure if anybody on the list did. > > > > See specs below: > > > > Breakdown Pass pads: > > 4.25x7" > > 2 part carbonless I figure standard 2 part > > Numbered in red > > Stapled @ top with wraparound cover > > Black & white > > 2500, 5000, & 7500 pads of 50 > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > Rick Bird > > Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. > > 3649 California Road > > Orchard Park, NY 14127 > > (716) 662-1515 > > (716) 662-5917 - Fax > > gamble@choiceonemail.com - email > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From andrew.flamm at gmail.com Tue May 20 14:44:59 2008 From: andrew.flamm at gmail.com (Andy Flamm) Date: Tue May 20 14:45:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) In-Reply-To: <004901c8b9e9$728ef870$57ace950$@com> References: <200805191340922.SM06564@Engelhart> <00f601c8b9e4$5b0e6050$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <004901c8b9e9$728ef870$57ace950$@com> Message-ID: I still use separate cell phone and Palm PDA, but eventually would like a smartphone. I like the iPhone but don't really want to switch carriers, as we have a very reasonable family plan with T-Mobile. I have my eye on the Blackberry Curve, but I think I'll wait for the new Bold or whatever version T-Mobile offers; it sounds incredible and should be a lot cheaper than an iPhone (with contract extension discounts, of course). Andy Flamm On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Date-Line Digital Printing < sales@datelinedigitalprinting.com> wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I too love my iPhone. I traded up from the Blackjack II, and haven't looked > back. It syncs seamlessly with MS outlook, There is a web app for just > about > anything, it automatically connects to open Wi-Fi points, and it just > works.... > > My only gripe is that it doesn't have a built in to-do list. > > Travis Lewis > Date-Line Digital Printing > Fairbanks, AK > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 11:13 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I love my iPhone and have not even touched the possiblities of contacts it > can give me. I don't know this for sure, but in my limited experience it > syncs with windows and Mac. > It does have a short battery life but I just plug it in at nite and it is > always ready to go. So..... simple to use. And that my friend comes from > the world's greatest computer challenged PO probably on this list. > ch > > Charlene Sims > President > The Master's Press, Inc. > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > www.TheMastersPress.com > char@themasterspress.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Engelhart > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 1:40 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a treo 650. I like the fact that it stores all my contacts and has > an easy keyboard for texting. > I am on Verizon and I am very happy with their service. > > > It is starting to fall apart and I can > A) get it replaced via the extended warranty for $50.00 > B) get a new upgraded phone > > The problem is that I do not know which phone to get. Anyone have any > experience with > a phone they like, that stores 100's of phone numbers that are recallable > by > typing in the first few letters and has an easy keyboard to use > > thanks > > gerry Engelhart > porath printsource > cleveland ohio > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 3110 (20080519) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 3110 (20080519) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Cedar Business Printing 345 Cedar Street, Suite 256 Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101 651-293-3904 voice 651-293-3905 fax andy@CedarBusinessPrinting.com www.CedarBusinessPrinting.com From kellycrom at gmail.com Tue May 20 14:58:39 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Tue May 20 14:58:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) In-Reply-To: References: <200805191340922.SM06564@Engelhart><00f601c8b9e4$5b0e6050$0b01a8c0@CharXP><004901c8b9e9$728ef870$57ace950$@com> Message-ID: <009501c8baab$84c228b0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> My wife has had a Palm and cell for years. She didn't want to leave the Palm OS, so she just got the new Palm Centro. I think the keys are too small, but she has skinnier fingers than I, so she loves it. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Andy Flamm > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 1:45 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I still use separate cell phone and Palm PDA, but eventually > would like a > smartphone. I like the iPhone but don't really want to switch > carriers, as > we have a very reasonable family plan with T-Mobile. I have > my eye on the > Blackberry Curve, but I think I'll wait for the new Bold or > whatever version > T-Mobile offers; it sounds incredible and should be a lot > cheaper than an > iPhone (with contract extension discounts, of course). > > Andy Flamm > > On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Date-Line Digital Printing < > sales@datelinedigitalprinting.com> wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > I too love my iPhone. I traded up from the Blackjack II, > and haven't looked > > back. It syncs seamlessly with MS outlook, There is a web > app for just > > about > > anything, it automatically connects to open Wi-Fi points, > and it just > > works.... > > > > My only gripe is that it doesn't have a built in to-do list. > > > > Travis Lewis > > Date-Line Digital Printing > > Fairbanks, AK > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 11:13 AM > > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > I love my iPhone and have not even touched the possiblities > of contacts it > > can give me. I don't know this for sure, but in my limited > experience it > > syncs with windows and Mac. > > It does have a short battery life but I just plug it in at > nite and it is > > always ready to go. So..... simple to use. And that my > friend comes from > > the world's greatest computer challenged PO probably on this list. > > ch > > > > Charlene Sims > > President > > The Master's Press, Inc. > > 14550 Midway Road > > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > > www.TheMastersPress.com > > char@themasterspress.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > Gerry Engelhart > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 1:40 PM > > To: printowners@printweb.org > > Subject: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > I have a treo 650. I like the fact that it stores all my > contacts and has > > an easy keyboard for texting. > > I am on Verizon and I am very happy with their service. > > > > > > It is starting to fall apart and I can > > A) get it replaced via the extended warranty for $50.00 > > B) get a new upgraded phone > > > > The problem is that I do not know which phone to get. > Anyone have any > > experience with > > a phone they like, that stores 100's of phone numbers that > are recallable > > by > > typing in the first few letters and has an easy keyboard to use > > > > thanks > > > > gerry Engelhart > > porath printsource > > cleveland ohio > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > > signature > > database 3110 (20080519) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > > signature > > database 3110 (20080519) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > -- > Cedar Business Printing > 345 Cedar Street, Suite 256 > Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101 > > 651-293-3904 voice > 651-293-3905 fax > > andy@CedarBusinessPrinting.com > www.CedarBusinessPrinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From vern at fosterpress.com Tue May 20 15:06:29 2008 From: vern at fosterpress.com (Vern Foster) Date: Tue May 20 15:06:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) In-Reply-To: References: <200805191340922.SM06564@Engelhart><00f601c8b9e4$5b0e6050$0b01a8c0@CharXP><004901c8b9e9$728ef870$57ace950$@com> Message-ID: <005201c8baac$9c466720$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> I had the same situation, and last month bought the "T-mobile Dash" because it offered seamless integration with MS Outlook. It also offers wifi connection, which is great at home because I don't get any cell service at my house. Now I have 5 bars because it accesses through my highspeed connection. ======================================== Vern Foster ~ Foster Press ~ Lake Stevens, WA vern@fosterpress.com ~ 425-334-9317 ======================================== -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Andy Flamm Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:45 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I still use separate cell phone and Palm PDA, but eventually would like a smartphone. I like the iPhone but don't really want to switch carriers, as we have a very reasonable family plan with T-Mobile. I have my eye on the Blackberry Curve, but I think I'll wait for the new Bold or whatever version T-Mobile offers; it sounds incredible and should be a lot cheaper than an iPhone (with contract extension discounts, of course). Andy Flamm On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Date-Line Digital Printing < sales@datelinedigitalprinting.com> wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I too love my iPhone. I traded up from the Blackjack II, and haven't looked > back. It syncs seamlessly with MS outlook, There is a web app for just > about > anything, it automatically connects to open Wi-Fi points, and it just > works.... > > My only gripe is that it doesn't have a built in to-do list. > > Travis Lewis > Date-Line Digital Printing > Fairbanks, AK > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 11:13 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I love my iPhone and have not even touched the possiblities of contacts it > can give me. I don't know this for sure, but in my limited experience it > syncs with windows and Mac. > It does have a short battery life but I just plug it in at nite and it is > always ready to go. So..... simple to use. And that my friend comes from > the world's greatest computer challenged PO probably on this list. > ch > > Charlene Sims > President > The Master's Press, Inc. > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > www.TheMastersPress.com > char@themasterspress.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Engelhart > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 1:40 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Cell phones (off ! ) > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a treo 650. I like the fact that it stores all my contacts and has > an easy keyboard for texting. > I am on Verizon and I am very happy with their service. > > > It is starting to fall apart and I can > A) get it replaced via the extended warranty for $50.00 > B) get a new upgraded phone > > The problem is that I do not know which phone to get. Anyone have any > experience with > a phone they like, that stores 100's of phone numbers that are recallable > by > typing in the first few letters and has an easy keyboard to use > > thanks > > gerry Engelhart > porath printsource > cleveland ohio > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 3110 (20080519) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 3110 (20080519) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Cedar Business Printing 345 Cedar Street, Suite 256 Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101 651-293-3904 voice 651-293-3905 fax andy@CedarBusinessPrinting.com www.CedarBusinessPrinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From acepm2 at gmail.com Tue May 20 16:27:34 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Tue May 20 16:27:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Perfer - Scorer - Creaser In-Reply-To: References: <20080519214217.608681B4D4A@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: Jace, Exactly what unit did you purchase? Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Jace Prejean wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I was set to order a Morgana Creaser until last week when a GW rep caught > wind of it. He brought a Graphic Whizard Creaser here to demo and though > my mind was already made up I was impressed to say the least. I ran various > coated and uncoated stocks through it and they did not crack whatsoever. > We intentially folded pieces against the grain AND against the score (wrong > side). We folded the pieces inside out (both ways) and they still did not > crack at all. We ran metal objects across the fold to make sure the fold > was > tight and still no crack. I was very surprised to say the least and ordered > one that day. We're expecting delivery in a week or two. > > As Chuck pointed out, this unit will make multiple perfs or scores in one > pass, and it will strike slit or strike perf so you can make a true T-slit > in virtually any position, if you have that need. > > On top of everything else, GW offers a 5 YEAR WARRANTY. You won't get that > out of Morgana. GW was aggressive with their pricing and threw in lots of > extras. This machine will also allow us to quickly and effortlessly score > wrap-around covers for our carbonless books (our carbonless business is > stronger than ever) and perfect bound covers in as many positions as we > could ever need. > > Do your self a favor and compare the machines side by side. GW appears to > be > a better built machine (more steel) and a better performer (more speed). > > BTW, I tried them all and could not find any scoring wheel that would > totally eliminate cracking. You must use a true creaser if you never want > to > worry about cracking again. > -- > Jace Prejean > Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc > 922 Sunset Ave > Houma, LA 70360 > Phone 985-868-8273 > > www.BayouPrinting.com > > > > On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Ben Travis > wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > John, > > > > I would be very surprised if anyone is having consistently good success > > with any scoring solution for digital color copies. We found this was a > > totally different animal from scoring our offset jobs, or even our B&W > > regular copy jobs. > > > > We tried with our Graphics Whizzard, we sent out to bindery houses to > score > > and even had a die made to die cut and score a job. Nothing defeated the > > cracking of digital color copies. > > > > After very extensive research and demos, we went with the Morgana > > AutoCreaser 33. We paid around $11,700 for it. If you would like more > info., > > let me know and I will send you my excel spreadsheet comparison between > that > > and the CreaseMaster Plus and the EZ Creaser. > > > > We use it for traditional scoring as well. While it can be set up to > > perforate, we found using our Graphics Whizzard for perfing to be > easier... > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > Ben Travis > > > > Copy Express > > 4004-A South Blvd. > > Charlotte, NC 20209 > > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net > > 704-527-1750 > > > > > > On May 19, 2008, at 5:43 PM, John Cassidy wrote: > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> > >> What are some of the fellow printers using for a perfer, scorer, > creaser. > >> We are looking for a solution to handle offset with powder as well as a > >> digitally printed piece. > >> > >> > >> Warmest Regards, > >> John Cassidy > >> www.duplicatesink.com > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From kellycrom at gmail.com Tue May 20 16:57:50 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Tue May 20 16:58:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! Message-ID: <00b801c8babc$2b4b1ce0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> OUCH! I was just getting ready to order a pallet of 20# white 11x17(last time I ordered one was in February). My pricing went from $8.75/M to $13.00/M!!!! Is it just here? Or has everyone seen these increases in the last few months? Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! From russ at mobile-print.com Tue May 20 17:10:51 2008 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Tue May 20 17:11:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser - MY EXPLANATION In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48333E5B.50107@mobile-print.com> Did anyone notice that Bill sent this message from the future? Wow, so that's what a good vacation can do! Russ Mobile print >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bill Werkheiser >> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:51 AM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Bill Werkheiser - MY EXPLANATION >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I'm terribly sorry this happened but I shouldn't be because I went to the >> Printowner's website (printweb.org) and asked to be removed as per >> instructions. My message actually got bounced. What else could I have done? >> >> > From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue May 20 17:29:06 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Tue May 20 17:29:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! In-Reply-To: <00b801c8babc$2b4b1ce0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <00b801c8babc$2b4b1ce0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <008001c8bac0$88695230$6401a8c0@coranew> Kelly, mine is at $15.08M, but I don't order pallets They just changed it last week. Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 3:58 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** OUCH! I was just getting ready to order a pallet of 20# white 11x17(last time I ordered one was in February). My pricing went from $8.75/M to $13.00/M!!!! Is it just here? Or has everyone seen these increases in the last few months? Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3115 (20080520) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From jacemeister at gmail.com Tue May 20 17:32:32 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Tue May 20 17:32:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Perfer - Scorer - Creaser In-Reply-To: References: <20080519214217.608681B4D4A@relay7.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: > > Jace, > > Exactly what unit did you purchase? > > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > www.acepm.com > CreaseMaster Plus (air fed model). It's supposed to crease about 4600 sheets per hour. I agreed to the list price of $10,395 and they threw in shipping, delivery, installation and training, plus some accessories. I also got quite a few accessories for the GW8000 Numbering Machine I bought at the same time. I'm mentioning the numbering machine because a couple of folks have asked me about the price and buying both machines did have an affect on the deal. I saved over $3,000 from what another vendor proposed on the identical setup. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com From sos at olympus.net Tue May 20 17:48:56 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue May 20 17:47:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! References: <00b801c8babc$2b4b1ce0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <038201c8bac3$4dfa2f90$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > OUCH! > I was just getting ready to order a pallet of 20# white 11x17(last time I > ordered one was in February). My pricing went from $8.75/M to $13.00/M!!!! > Is it just here? Or has everyone seen these increases in the last few > months? ==================== I've seen several increases in the past few months. Plus, my sales rep was just in yesterday, and they are cutting back to just one delivery a week. I ordered a pallet full of envelopes from Western States Envelope at way cheaper prices than my paper wholesaler, but freight was $227 so there goes any savings. Well, actually I still saved about $1.00 per thousand. But that's hardly worth screwing your local supplier for. There doesn't appear to be any magic in the buying paper for less realm. Get used to it. With oil going over $125 per barrel it's not going to end anytime soon if at all. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From tracey at targetcopy.com Tue May 20 17:52:31 2008 From: tracey at targetcopy.com (Tracey Cohen) Date: Tue May 20 17:52:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! In-Reply-To: <008001c8bac0$88695230$6401a8c0@coranew> References: <00b801c8babc$2b4b1ce0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <008001c8bac0$88695230$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <001801c8bac3$cfdd3930$6f97ab90$@com> Kelly, We order around a pallet a week, and our price is currently $12.36/M. Prices have increased steadily over the past year, but we haven't seen that kind of jump all at once. On the bright side, you can consider yourself lucky - we have been paying over $10/M for at least 2 years... Tracey G. Cohen President Target Copy 850.224.3007 850.325.3668 fax 635 West Tennessee Street Tallahassee, Fl 32304 www.targetcopy.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 5:29 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Kelly, mine is at $15.08M, but I don't order pallets They just changed it last week. Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 3:58 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** OUCH! I was just getting ready to order a pallet of 20# white 11x17(last time I ordered one was in February). My pricing went from $8.75/M to $13.00/M!!!! Is it just here? Or has everyone seen these increases in the last few months? Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3115 (20080520) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From files at aloha4print.com Tue May 20 18:03:56 2008 From: files at aloha4print.com (Nancy Denney) Date: Tue May 20 17:59:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! In-Reply-To: <038201c8bac3$4dfa2f90$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <00b801c8babc$2b4b1ce0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <038201c8bac3$4dfa2f90$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: However, the envelopes we get from Western States Envelopes run better through our presses over the local supplier, they are flatter. Nancy Denney Aloha Print & Copy, LLC 212 McMenamy Road St. Peters, MO 63376 www.aloha4print.com On May 20, 2008, at 4:48 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >> OUCH! >> I was just getting ready to order a pallet of 20# white 11x17(last >> time I >> ordered one was in February). My pricing went from $8.75/M to >> $13.00/M!!!! >> Is it just here? Or has everyone seen these increases in the last few >> months? >> > ==================== > > I've seen several increases in the past few months. Plus, my sales > rep was just in yesterday, and they are cutting back to just one > delivery a week. > I ordered a pallet full of envelopes from Western States Envelope > at way cheaper prices than my paper wholesaler, but freight was > $227 so there goes any savings. Well, actually I still saved about > $1.00 per thousand. But that's hardly worth screwing your local > supplier for. > There doesn't appear to be any magic in the buying paper for less > realm. > Get used to it. With oil going over $125 per barrel it's not going > to end anytime soon if at all. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From dominick at fmtc.com Tue May 20 18:22:56 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Tue May 20 18:23:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! In-Reply-To: <008001c8bac0$88695230$6401a8c0@coranew> References: <00b801c8babc$2b4b1ce0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <008001c8bac0$88695230$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <48334F40.6080105@fmtc.com> Wow, what brand and quality are you ordering??? Basic 20# white bond from Office Depot (104 brite) - $29.99 per case, plus I had a 10% off coupon. Just got in 2 pallets last week! There was no minimum, no maximum. No delivery, or shipping charges. $2160.00 for 80 cartons. Time to stock up! Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Cora wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Kelly, mine is at $15.08M, but I don't order pallets They just changed it > last week. > > Class Act Printing and Foil > 5801 W. Juno Street > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > (316) 522-0733 > cpurvine1@cox.net > Microsoft Service Provider > Member NAQP > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Crom at Applied > Graphics > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 3:58 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > OUCH! > I was just getting ready to order a pallet of 20# white 11x17(last time I > ordered one was in February). My pricing went from $8.75/M to $13.00/M!!!! > Is it just here? Or has everyone seen these increases in the last few > months? > > Kelly Crom > Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 > Plymouth, MN 55441 > (763)231-6970 > kellycrom@gmail.com > www.applied-graphics.com > > p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's > Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com > ! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3115 (20080520) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From char at themasterspress.com Tue May 20 18:46:59 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue May 20 18:47:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! In-Reply-To: <001801c8bac3$cfdd3930$6f97ab90$@com> References: <00b801c8babc$2b4b1ce0$6d01a8c0@KELLY><008001c8bac0$88695230$6401a8c0@coranew> <001801c8bac3$cfdd3930$6f97ab90$@com> Message-ID: <01a801c8bacb$69a99cf0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Just had my paper salesman update our price book and he says the paper prices have significantly increased and will continue to do so. A lot of the material used, transportation, blah blah blah. Get ready for it. There are going to be sharp increases soon everywhere. Even if it is not true it is all a great excuse for people to go up on their prices. Will be interesting to see thru this summer what happens in a traditionally slow period for this industry. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tracey Cohen Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 4:53 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Kelly, We order around a pallet a week, and our price is currently $12.36/M. Prices have increased steadily over the past year, but we haven't seen that kind of jump all at once. On the bright side, you can consider yourself lucky - we have been paying over $10/M for at least 2 years... Tracey G. Cohen President Target Copy 850.224.3007 850.325.3668 fax 635 West Tennessee Street Tallahassee, Fl 32304 www.targetcopy.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 5:29 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Kelly, mine is at $15.08M, but I don't order pallets They just changed it last week. Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 3:58 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** OUCH! I was just getting ready to order a pallet of 20# white 11x17(last time I ordered one was in February). My pricing went from $8.75/M to $13.00/M!!!! Is it just here? Or has everyone seen these increases in the last few months? Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3115 (20080520) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3115 (20080520) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3115 (20080520) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3115 (20080520) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue May 20 18:48:29 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Tue May 20 18:48:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! In-Reply-To: <48334F40.6080105@fmtc.com> References: <00b801c8babc$2b4b1ce0$6d01a8c0@KELLY><008001c8bac0$88695230$6401a8c0@coranew> <48334F40.6080105@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <008d01c8bacb$9f689da0$6401a8c0@coranew> That is for Impact 20# 11x17". Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dominick's Printing Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 5:23 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Wow, what brand and quality are you ordering??? Basic 20# white bond from Office Depot (104 brite) - $29.99 per case, plus I had a 10% off coupon. Just got in 2 pallets last week! There was no minimum, no maximum. No delivery, or shipping charges. $2160.00 for 80 cartons. Time to stock up! Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Cora wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Kelly, mine is at $15.08M, but I don't order pallets They just changed it > last week. > > Class Act Printing and Foil > 5801 W. Juno Street > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > (316) 522-0733 > cpurvine1@cox.net > Microsoft Service Provider > Member NAQP > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Crom at Applied > Graphics > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 3:58 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > OUCH! > I was just getting ready to order a pallet of 20# white 11x17(last time I > ordered one was in February). My pricing went from $8.75/M to $13.00/M!!!! > Is it just here? Or has everyone seen these increases in the last few > months? > > Kelly Crom > Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 > Plymouth, MN 55441 > (763)231-6970 > kellycrom@gmail.com > www.applied-graphics.com > > p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's > Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com > ! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3115 (20080520) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3115 (20080520) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue May 20 18:52:18 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue May 20 18:52:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! In-Reply-To: <038201c8bac3$4dfa2f90$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <00b801c8babc$2b4b1ce0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <038201c8bac3$4dfa2f90$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <8CA88E34A650207-14EC-2EFD@FWM-M40.sysops.aol.com> I was watching a video of an old baseball world series game on Sunday.? Mets & Red Sox.? There was so much noise going on at Shea Stadium, that one of the announcers had said & I quote.? "With all this yelling you would think that oil was $100 a barrel"? I would love to contact home & play that back for a little history.? Paper is up by me also. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Dan Huntingford To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 20 May 2008 5:48 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? > OUCH!? > I was just getting ready to order a pallet of 20# white 11x17(last time I? > ordered one was in February). My pricing went from $8.75/M to $13.00/M!!!!? > Is it just here? Or has everyone seen these increases in the last few? > months?? ====================? ? I've seen several increases in the past few months. Plus, my sales rep was just in yesterday, and they are cutting back to just one delivery a week.? I ordered a pallet full of envelopes from Western States Envelope at way cheaper prices than my paper wholesaler, but freight was $227 so there goes any savings. Well, actually I still saved about $1.00 per thousand. But that's hardly worth screwing your local supplier for.? There doesn't appear to be any magic in the buying paper for less realm.? Get used to it. With oil going over $125 per barrel it's not going to end anytime soon if at all.? ? Dan Huntingford? SOS Printing? 2319 Washington Street? Port Townsend, WA 98368? Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF? sos@olympus.net? (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From dominick at fmtc.com Tue May 20 18:54:21 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Tue May 20 18:54:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! In-Reply-To: <008d01c8bacb$9f689da0$6401a8c0@coranew> References: <00b801c8babc$2b4b1ce0$6d01a8c0@KELLY><008001c8bac0$88695230$6401a8c0@coranew> <48334F40.6080105@fmtc.com> <008d01c8bacb$9f689da0$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <4833569D.4010905@fmtc.com> Opps! Missed the size, I just paid $10.48 m, ordered 10 cases, Xerox brand. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Cora wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > That is for Impact 20# 11x17". > > Class Act Printing and Foil > 5801 W. Juno Street > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > (316) 522-0733 > cpurvine1@cox.net > Microsoft Service Provider > Member NAQP > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dominick's Printing > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 5:23 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Wow, what brand and quality are you ordering??? > > Basic 20# white bond from Office Depot (104 brite) - $29.99 per case, > plus I had a 10% off coupon. Just got in 2 pallets last week! From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue May 20 19:09:40 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue May 20 19:16:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Little Help Message-ID: <8CA88E5B72A5172-1284-2E6C@WEBMAIL-MA06.sysops.aol.com> Need contact number for printers shopper in CA anyone have it?? Thanks Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com From jodib at blackfoot.net Tue May 20 19:33:30 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Tue May 20 19:33:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Little Help References: <8CA88E5B72A5172-1284-2E6C@WEBMAIL-MA06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <013601c8bad1$e975ecd0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Hey Tommy: Here is the contact info I have: 1-800-854-2911 or 1-800-482-8563 (but the 8563 I think is the fax number) Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Melendez" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 5:09 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Little Help > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Need contact number for printers shopper in CA anyone have it?? > > Thanks > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From championprinting at yahoo.com Tue May 20 19:42:55 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Tue May 20 19:43:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! Message-ID: <606387.58821.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Not to mention how much better they run in an inserter. Our local vendor cannot supply anything comparable at any price (so I don't think we are "screwing" them out of a sale). Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Nancy Denney To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 6:03:56 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** However, the envelopes we get from Western States Envelopes run? better through our presses over the local supplier, they are flatter. Nancy Denney Aloha Print & Copy, LLC 212 McMenamy Road St. Peters, MO? 63376 www.aloha4print.com On May 20, 2008, at 4:48 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >> OUCH! >> I was just getting ready to order a pallet of 20# white 11x17(last? >> time I >> ordered one was in February). My pricing went from $8.75/M to? >> $13.00/M!!!! >> Is it just here? Or has everyone seen these increases in the last few >> months? >> > ==================== > > I've seen several increases in the past few months. Plus, my sales? > rep was just in yesterday, and they are cutting back to just one? > delivery a week. > I ordered a pallet full of envelopes from Western States Envelope? > at way cheaper prices than my paper wholesaler, but freight was? > $227 so there goes any savings.? Well, actually I still saved about? > $1.00 per thousand.? But that's hardly worth screwing your local? > supplier for. > There doesn't appear to be any magic in the buying paper for less? > realm. > Get used to it. With oil going over $125 per barrel it's not going? > to end anytime soon if at all. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194? Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Azkwikkopy at aol.com Tue May 20 19:48:08 2008 From: Azkwikkopy at aol.com (Azkwikkopy@aol.com) Date: Tue May 20 19:48:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? Message-ID: With the cost of gasoline we are going to close on Friday's through the summer. We have 4 employees and they have agreed to work 4--10 hour days to get the work done and take the Friday's off. I will have my phone forwarded to cell so I will not miss anybody. We have no walk in traffic and will notify the significant parties. What do you think? ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue May 20 21:59:17 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Tue May 20 21:59:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! In-Reply-To: <606387.58821.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <606387.58821.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002c01c8bae6$46e953c0$6401a8c0@coranew> The envelopes from Western Paper run better than what our vendor supplies also, and they are cheaper. Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed May 21 00:16:29 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed May 21 00:17:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Little Help In-Reply-To: <8CA88E5B72A5172-1284-2E6C@WEBMAIL-MA06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA88E5B72A5172-1284-2E6C@WEBMAIL-MA06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <200805210416.m4L4GhBU011190@i2bnetworks.com> They're no longer here in San Diego. California's business friendly climate finally go to 'em. They've moved to Kirkland Washington. Here's their website : http://www.theprintersshopper.com/ S. At 04:09 PM 5/20/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Need contact number for printers shopper in CA anyone have it?? > >Thanks > > >Copy That, Inc. >"Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" >3515 E. Tremont Avenue >Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >718.892.1859 >718.892.2315 Fax >www.copythatnyc.com >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3115 (20080520) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com Tue May 20 08:20:17 2008 From: jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com (Jim Quinn) Date: Wed May 21 08:23:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think your competitors will love it. I sure would. Jim Quinn Sir Speedy 4043 15323 Midway Road Addison, TX 75001 Phone 972-788-4266 Fax 972-788-2367 jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Azkwikkopy@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 6:48 PM To: PRINTOWNERS@PRINTWEB.ORG Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** With the cost of gasoline we are going to close on Friday's through the summer. We have 4 employees and they have agreed to work 4--10 hour days to get the work done and take the Friday's off. I will have my phone forwarded to cell so I will not miss anybody. We have no walk in traffic and will notify the significant parties. What do you think? ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Wed May 21 08:32:15 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt) Date: Wed May 21 08:32:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! In-Reply-To: <038201c8bac3$4dfa2f90$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: On 5/20/08 4:48 PM, "Dan Huntingford" wrote: > I've seen several increases in the past few months. Plus, my sales rep was > just in yesterday, and they are cutting back to just one delivery a week. > I ordered a pallet full of envelopes from Western States Envelope at way > cheaper prices than my paper wholesaler, but freight was $227 so there goes > any savings. Well, actually I still saved about $1.00 per thousand. But > that's hardly worth screwing your local supplier for. > There doesn't appear to be any magic in the buying paper for less realm. > Get used to it. With oil going over $125 per barrel it's not going to end > anytime soon if at all. Dan, You should talk to Western States - we get free shipping if we order 10 cartons or more. Surely a pallet is at least that. Our current price on the 20# 11 x 17 was $14.06/m. That's 15% off last column I believe and is for the extra white Navigator. Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From brian at designotype.com Wed May 21 08:51:54 2008 From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen) Date: Wed May 21 08:51:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? References: Message-ID: <08b801c8bb41$72783cd0$6a01a8c0@brianspc> It depends on your customers and your location... and the kinds of jobs you do for them. If you have almost no walk-ins, you may do just as well or better. We cut back our hours last summer. We used to close at 5 pm and changed to 4pm. At that time, I personally talked to all of our best customers and none of them were concerned... many of them leave before 4 pm anyway. We had intended to just do this for the summer, but we liked it so well that we continued ever since then. We also do not have a lot of walk-ins and would prefer to keep it that way. We often are here later anyway, but with the "official" closing time at 4, we always have that option to leave. It works well for us, I wish I had the guts to close on Fridays. Brian Helminen Designotype Printers, Inc. 22950 Airpark Blvd. Calumet, MI 49913 906-482-2424 Fax 906-482-2266 www.designotype.com ----- Original Message ----- From: > With the cost of gasoline we are going to close on Friday's through the > summer. We have 4 employees and they have agreed to work 4--10 hour days > to get > the work done and take the Friday's off. I will have my phone forwarded > to cell > so I will not miss anybody. We have no walk in traffic and will notify > the > significant parties. What do you think? > From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Wed May 21 09:04:40 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt) Date: Wed May 21 09:04:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? In-Reply-To: <08b801c8bb41$72783cd0$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Message-ID: On 5/21/08 7:51 AM, "Brian Helminen" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > It depends on your customers and your location... and the kinds of jobs you > do for them. If you have almost no walk-ins, you may do just as well or > better. I agree. We are in an area with a lot of construction companies - it is usually desolate here by 4:00 in the afternoon and Fridays are barely worth having, especially now that summer is here. We have very little walk-in, which we love. We changed our hours when we moved to accommodate the early morning nature of builders and contractors - 7:00 a.m. To 4:30. For summer we are considering closing at 2:00 on Fridays. -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed May 21 09:37:25 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed May 21 09:37:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? Message-ID: In a message dated 5/21/2008 8:25:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com writes: I think your competitors will love it. I sure would. I disagree. I suspect very few printers ("competitors") are skilled enough or knowledgeable about marketing to take any serious advantage of this type of situation, and this assumes there is an advantage to be gained in the first place. To carry your argument to the extreme, if a company was open 24/7 it ought to have a an incredible competitive advantage over mere mortals who are only open 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, and yet we know that isn't the case, as we've seen in the case of Kinkos. Assuming his customer base is informed and accepts the 4-day concept, it is doubtful that you are going to be able to convince them to switch over to you just because you are open on Fridays! It so happens that two of the largest corporations in the State of Florida (The Harris Corp. and Northrop Grumman) close every other Friday during the summer and it is quite popular with their employees. They do this by alternating weeks of 10-hour days and 8-hour days to enable this to be done. Sure, they keep a skeleton staff in place to answer the phones but production, engineering and research are gone every other Friday. In conclusion, I don't think a company that otherwise offers great products and customer service is at any significant disadvantage by switching over to a 4-day workweek. In fact, I would not be surprised if more and more companies start adopting this policy as energy costs continue to soar. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) From printer at sbcglobal.net Wed May 21 09:50:52 2008 From: printer at sbcglobal.net (Don Black) Date: Wed May 21 09:51:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? Message-ID: <595317.82815.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Seems like these days?50% of what we do is rush.? Next day or same day shipping or delivery.? If we are not producing work on Friday we delay 20% of our work for at least a day.? That could be a problem for all those customers who are in a hurry. ? Don Black Sprekelmeyer Printing Ardmore, Oklahoma www.PrintArdmore.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Cyndy Wendt To: PrintOwners List Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:04:40 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On 5/21/08 7:51 AM, "Brian Helminen" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > It depends on your customers and your location... and the kinds of jobs you > do for them. If you have almost no walk-ins, you may do just as well or > better. I agree. We are in an area with a lot of construction companies - it is usually desolate here by 4:00 in the afternoon and Fridays are barely worth having, especially now that summer is here. We have very little walk-in, which we love. We changed our hours when we moved to accommodate the early morning nature of builders and contractors - 7:00 a.m. To 4:30. For summer we are considering closing at 2:00 on Fridays. -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com Wed May 21 09:51:52 2008 From: jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com (Jim Quinn) Date: Wed May 21 09:55:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: O.K., it probably varies by location. Friday is always our busiest day of the week. I seems like people are frantically trying to get the presentations, brochures, business cards, etc ready for Monday morning meetings and Monday travel to other cities. Jim Quinn Sir Speedy 4043 15323 Midway Road Addison, TX 75001 Phone 972-788-4266 Fax 972-788-2367 jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:37 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 5/21/2008 8:25:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com writes: I think your competitors will love it. I sure would. I disagree. I suspect very few printers ("competitors") are skilled enough or knowledgeable about marketing to take any serious advantage of this type of situation, and this assumes there is an advantage to be gained in the first place. To carry your argument to the extreme, if a company was open 24/7 it ought to have a an incredible competitive advantage over mere mortals who are only open 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, and yet we know that isn't the case, as we've seen in the case of Kinkos. Assuming his customer base is informed and accepts the 4-day concept, it is doubtful that you are going to be able to convince them to switch over to you just because you are open on Fridays! It so happens that two of the largest corporations in the State of Florida (The Harris Corp. and Northrop Grumman) close every other Friday during the summer and it is quite popular with their employees. They do this by alternating weeks of 10-hour days and 8-hour days to enable this to be done. Sure, they keep a skeleton staff in place to answer the phones but production, engineering and research are gone every other Friday. In conclusion, I don't think a company that otherwise offers great products and customer service is at any significant disadvantage by switching over to a 4-day workweek. In fact, I would not be surprised if more and more companies start adopting this policy as energy costs continue to soar. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Wed May 21 10:03:04 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Wed May 21 10:03:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? In-Reply-To: <20080521123230.4C129F420DB@rb.enter.net> References: <20080521123230.4C129F420DB@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: How about taking Mondays off instead? Then no customer would be fretting over the weekend and complaining that you're goofing off when they need you. There would be the rest of the week to keep customers happy and your employees could enjoy very quiet Mondays at the mall or be running domestic errands without the crowds. > With the cost of gasoline we are going to close on Friday's through > the > summer. We have 4 employees and they have agreed to work 4--10 hour > days to get > the work done and take the Friday's off. I will have my phone > forwarded to cell > so I will not miss anybody. We have no walk in traffic and will > notify the > significant parties. What do you think? Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From bcreighton at danielsprinting.us Wed May 21 10:13:24 2008 From: bcreighton at danielsprinting.us (Bill Creighton) Date: Wed May 21 10:14:06 2008 Subject: SPAM-LOW: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48342E04.60702@danielsprinting.us> We have been doing just this for the last 5 years. The key is to let your customers know so they can adjust their schedules to yours. It has worked out very well and our employees love it. Customers are envious. Azkwikkopy@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > With the cost of gasoline we are going to close on Friday's through the > summer. We have 4 employees and they have agreed to work 4--10 hour days to get > the work done and take the Friday's off. I will have my phone forwarded to cell > so I will not miss anybody. We have no walk in traffic and will notify the > significant parties. What do you think? > > > ************** > Wondering what's for > Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- Bill Creighton Daniels Printing 2141 Priest Bridge Drive #5 Crofton, MD 21114 301.261.3426 bcreighton@danielsprinting.us From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed May 21 10:19:40 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed May 21 10:19:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200805211419.m4LEJsBU091567@i2bnetworks.com> For me that would be impossible. My clients are all corporate accounts. They are all open 5 days a week 8 to 5, and for us to be a successful high-tech high-touch model we have to be open and available too. We have zero walk up, but not having walk up isn't really the point... I think carrying a cell phone and being available isn't going to cut it if you are committed to extraordinary service. How will you handle an emergency from a client if there's nobody there to handle it? I personally think all of this hand wring about energy costs is really overblown. Its the latest media focus so now everybody's in a tizzy.... Take a look at your P and L and tell me that even a doubling in your energy costs is really going to make that big of a difference in your bottom line. I think sacrificing your business model to the "crisis of the moment" needs a thorough reevaluation. We all need to stop and take a deep breath and learn how to deal with increasing costs. Raising prices would be a good start. I believe you put yourself at a competitive disadvantage by closing on Fridays. It would be my wish that all of my competition would do this. S. At 04:48 PM 5/20/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >With the cost of gasoline we are going to close on Friday's through the >summer. We have 4 employees and they have agreed to work 4--10 hour >days to get >the work done and take the Friday's off. I will have my phone >forwarded to cell >so I will not miss anybody. We have no walk in traffic and will notify the >significant parties. What do you think? > > >************** >Wondering what's for >Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. > >(http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3115 (20080520) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed May 21 10:24:00 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed May 21 10:24:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Little Help In-Reply-To: <013601c8bad1$e975ecd0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> References: <8CA88E5B72A5172-1284-2E6C@WEBMAIL-MA06.sysops.aol.com> <013601c8bad1$e975ecd0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Message-ID: <8CA8965725BD81C-1DA0-3E4@FWM-M07.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Jody.? Contacted them but they don't have parts for a skrabba saddle stitch stapler.? The part we need is the loading piece for the staples. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Jodi Bowser To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 20 May 2008 7:33 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Little Help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Hey Tommy: ? Here is the contact info I have:? ? 1-800-854-2911 or 1-800-482-8563 (but the 8563 I think is the fax number)? ? Jodi Bowser? Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana? www.pyramidprintingmt.com? jodib@blackfoot.net? Member NAQP #205787? Member Garden City BNI? 406-728-1503? fax 406-728-0505? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Melendez" ? To: ? Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 5:09 PM? Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Little Help? ? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? > > Need contact number for printers shopper in CA anyone have it?? > > Thanks? > > > Copy That, Inc.? > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service"? > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue? > Bronx, N.Y. 10465? > 718.892.1859? > 718.892.2315 Fax? > www.copythatnyc.com? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From Susan at cdandp.net Wed May 21 10:33:42 2008 From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton) Date: Wed May 21 10:35:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? References: <200805211419.m4LEJsBU091567@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <001301c8bb4f$ab23cdc0$8302a8c0@Robbin> Dear Scott, I agree with you. However, I believe the idea was to save the employees gasoline money for their cars. Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, VA 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cappel" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > For me that would be impossible. > > My clients are all corporate accounts. > > They are all open 5 days a week 8 to 5, and for us to be a successful > high-tech high-touch model we have to be open and available too. > > We have zero walk up, but not having walk up isn't really the point... > > I think carrying a cell phone and being available isn't going to cut it if > you are committed to extraordinary service. How will you handle an > emergency from a client if there's nobody there to handle it? > > I personally think all of this hand wring about energy costs is really > overblown. Its the latest media focus so now everybody's in a tizzy.... > > Take a look at your P and L and tell me that even a doubling in your > energy costs is really going to make that big of a difference in your > bottom line. > > I think sacrificing your business model to the "crisis of the moment" > needs a thorough reevaluation. > > We all need to stop and take a deep breath and learn how to deal with > increasing costs. > > Raising prices would be a good start. > > I believe you put yourself at a competitive disadvantage by closing on > Fridays. > > It would be my wish that all of my competition would do this. > > S. > > > At 04:48 PM 5/20/2008, you wrote: >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>With the cost of gasoline we are going to close on Friday's through the >>summer. We have 4 employees and they have agreed to work 4--10 hour days >>to get >>the work done and take the Friday's off. I will have my phone forwarded >>to cell >>so I will not miss anybody. We have no walk in traffic and will notify >>the >>significant parties. What do you think? >> >> >>************** >>Wondering what's for >>Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. >> >>(http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >>__________ NOD32 3115 (20080520) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3116 (20080521) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From printer at sbcglobal.net Wed May 21 10:38:12 2008 From: printer at sbcglobal.net (Don Black) Date: Wed May 21 10:38:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? Message-ID: <969822.99110.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Scott, as usual your comments are right on the mark.? I couldn't agree more. ? Don Black Sprekelmeyer Printing Ardmore, Oklahoma www.PrintArdmore.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Scott Cappel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:19:40 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** For me that would be impossible. My clients are all corporate accounts. They are all open 5 days a week 8 to 5, and for us to be a successful high-tech high-touch model we have to be open and available too. We have zero walk up, but not having walk up isn't really the point... I think carrying a cell phone and being available isn't going to cut it if you are committed to extraordinary service. How will you handle an emergency from a client if there's nobody there to handle it? I personally think all of this hand wring about energy costs is really overblown. Its the latest media focus so now everybody's in a tizzy.... Take a look at your P and L and tell me that even a doubling in your energy costs is really going to make that big of a difference in your bottom line. I think sacrificing your business model to the "crisis of the moment" needs a thorough reevaluation. We all need to stop and take a deep breath and learn how to deal with increasing costs. Raising prices would be a good start. I believe you put yourself at a competitive disadvantage by closing on Fridays. It would be my wish that all of my competition would do this. S. At 04:48 PM 5/20/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >With the cost of gasoline we are going to close on Friday's through the >summer.? We have 4 employees and they have agreed to work 4--10 hour >days to get >the work done and take the Friday's off.? I will have my phone >forwarded to cell >so I will not miss anybody.? We have no walk in traffic and will notify the >significant parties.? What do you think? > > >************** >Wondering what's for >Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. > >(http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3115 (20080520) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed May 21 10:49:07 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed May 21 10:49:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? Message-ID: In a message dated 5/21/2008 10:21:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: Take a look at your P and L and tell me that even a doubling in your energy costs is really going to make that big of a difference in your bottom line. I think sacrificing your business model to the "crisis of the moment" needs a thorough reevaluation. Scott, As someone else said, yes it does varies by market. However, there are high-tech (high-touch) customers all over the country and some have in fact adopted variations of a 4-day work week, albeit not all for the same reasons. Not saying it can work for everyone, but it indeed works for big corporations (such as those I mentioned) and they seem to be very understanding of vendors who attempt the same approach. I don't think anyone was talking about any significant savings on company P&Ls, but rather the personal P&L's of employees. I don't think gasoline prices are a "crisis of the moment," but rather the crisis of this decade. When two countries (U.S. and China) already consume almost 45% of the world's total oil production and with China's burgeoning thirst for fuel oil projected to surpass our own within two years, this isn't a crisis that's going to go away. Anyone who believes gasoline prices will soon if ever come down is simply dreaming. I have no doubt that gasoline will probably reach $4.50 before the end of THIS summer and be $5 or more by next spring. You can save this and throw it back in my face next year if I am wrong! There are indeed employees who are now easily working 2-3 hours a week simply to pay for their fuel costs for the week.... For you, I am sure gasoline costs are chump change, but it isn't for many of those we employ. In fact, working 2-3 hours per week to pay for gasoline represents 7-9% of take-home pay and it is going to get worse before it gets better. Anyway, just another take. And by the way, we were forced to run our business strictly from a single cell phone for more than two months after hurricane Jeanne and it can be done.... hell, there were some customers we served that didn't even know our building had been destroyed for months after the hurricane. In fact, with all your expertise, I am surprised you have not found someway to operate your KM6500 remotely from your home! All you really need is 50M LCT and an equivalent size conveyor at the other end! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) From jeff at hprinting.biz Wed May 21 10:49:13 2008 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Wed May 21 10:49:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Info Form Message-ID: <20080521144905.4021.15667@hm-pop1.solinus.com> We need to create a form to go with all mailing jobs to identify the file name to be addressed, what fields, how to format it, etc. Before we reinvent the wheel I was wondering if anyone had such a form they would be willing to email me. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From russ at mobile-print.com Wed May 21 10:50:53 2008 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Wed May 21 10:51:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <483436CD.106@mobile-print.com> > With the cost of gasoline we are going to close on Friday's through the > summer. I'd love to do this but there's no way. Fridays are usually a madhouse with clients needing rush jobs completed. I already get flack for being closed saturday! Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed May 21 10:54:20 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed May 21 10:54:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? In-Reply-To: <200805211419.m4LEJsBU091567@i2bnetworks.com> References: <200805211419.m4LEJsBU091567@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <8CA8969AF803DF9-1DA0-666@FWM-M07.sysops.aol.com> I'm a six day a week location.? Aside from providing printing services, I have 181 mailbox's, which 70% are rented.? This provides income for a corner of our location that would have been dead space.? Aside from that, most of the renters provide extra income for our print service.? So I need to be here!? Our hours are 8:30 - 7:30 M-F? 9-5 Sat.? My competitor's are gone before 5pm.?Besides summers have always been good for me, it's Sept. & Oct. that kill me.? Something that I used to do without the owners of the place I used to manage back in the day.? I?gave one person off?on Friday's?with pay, during July & August.? These guys worked so hard for me, they would go out of there way to get all the work out.? Management was always impressed by our production.? Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Cappel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:19 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? For me that would be impossible.? ? My clients are all corporate accounts.? ? They are all open 5 days a week 8 to 5, and for us to be a successful high-tech high-touch model we have to be open and available too.? ? We have zero walk up, but not having walk up isn't really the point...? ? I think carrying a cell phone and being available isn't going to cut it if you are committed to extraordinary service. How will you handle an emergency from a client if there's nobody there to handle it?? ? I personally think all of this hand wring about energy costs is really overblown. Its the latest media focus so now everybody's in a tizzy....? ? Take a look at your P and L and tell me that even a doubling in your energy costs is really going to make that big of a difference in your bottom line.? ? I think sacrificing your business model to the "crisis of the moment" needs a thorough reevaluation.? ? We all need to stop and take a deep breath and learn how to deal with increasing costs.? ? Raising prices would be a good start.? ? I believe you put yourself at a competitive disadvantage by closing on Fridays.? ? It would be my wish that all of my competition would do this.? ? S.? ? At 04:48 PM 5/20/2008, you wrote:? >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? >With the cost of gasoline we are going to close on Friday's through the? >summer. We have 4 employees and they have agreed to work 4--10 hour >days to get? >the work done and take the Friday's off. I will have my phone >forwarded to cell? >so I will not miss anybody. We have no walk in traffic and will notify the? >significant parties. What do you think?? >? >? >**************? >Wondering what's for? >Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food.? >? >(http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)? >_______________________________________________? >PrintOwners Discussion List? >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? >__________ NOD32 3115 (20080520) Information __________? >? >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.? >http://www.eset.com? ? _____________________________________________? ? Scott Cappel? ? Sorrento Mesa Printing? 7398 Trade Street? San Diego, CA 92121-2422? 858-527-0800? 858-527-1740 FAX? http://www.sorrentomesa.com? ? LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa? ? Direct Links for Learning:? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html? ? Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider? Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider? Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level? Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider? ? Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From dominick at fmtc.com Wed May 21 10:58:13 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Wed May 21 10:58:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? In-Reply-To: <200805211419.m4LEJsBU091567@i2bnetworks.com> References: <200805211419.m4LEJsBU091567@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <48343885.9010002@fmtc.com> Well said Scott, 5 days ago we had a delivery truck tear down our power line. We were down for 7 hours. I would have paid double for power so we could have been doing production. Our customers are also 8-5. They do not care about "my costs" just theirs. A quick phone call with "this is your price" is all we have to do. No excuses, no "sorry's". Just 'this is your price'. We did finally close Saturdays because of lack of business. (We used to average $1000 in orders on Saturday when open). Now we strictly do production, and get done by noon or 2, and have a weekend life. But to close on the week days? Ouch, not here! Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > For me that would be impossible. > > My clients are all corporate accounts. > > They are all open 5 days a week 8 to 5, and for us to be a successful > high-tech high-touch model we have to be open and available too. > > We have zero walk up, but not having walk up isn't really the point... > > I think carrying a cell phone and being available isn't going to cut > it if you are committed to extraordinary service. How will you handle > an emergency from a client if there's nobody there to handle it? > > I personally think all of this hand wring about energy costs is really > overblown. Its the latest media focus so now everybody's in a tizzy.... > > Take a look at your P and L and tell me that even a doubling in your > energy costs is really going to make that big of a difference in your > bottom line. > > I think sacrificing your business model to the "crisis of the moment" > needs a thorough reevaluation. > > We all need to stop and take a deep breath and learn how to deal with > increasing costs. > > Raising prices would be a good start. > > I believe you put yourself at a competitive disadvantage by closing on > Fridays. > > It would be my wish that all of my competition would do this. > > S. > From John at mpcny.com Wed May 21 11:01:25 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Wed May 21 11:01:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? In-Reply-To: <20080521142003.BD2C0F426FA@rb.enter.net> References: <20080521142003.BD2C0F426FA@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <00b801c8bb53$8afb8c00$a0f2a400$@com> My take, huge mistake as you portray yourself as a part-time less serious business. That said nothing wrong with a staggered work week. Some work 4/10 others 5/8 you cover the phones and counter. Much better, solution same savings. I would think a CSR and maybe a bindery worker would be able to handle Friday. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1457 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 4:45 PM From joy at libertyprintgreen.com Wed May 21 12:07:43 2008 From: joy at libertyprintgreen.com (Joy Downing) Date: Wed May 21 11:09:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? In-Reply-To: <001301c8bb4f$ab23cdc0$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: <00b301c8bb5c$cd6da740$1401a8c0@JOY2> All good points, but do you really think your staff would stay home and save gas if they had a Friday off? Joy Downing Liberty 3021 Nashville Road Bowling Green, KY 42101 270-782-7829 LibertyPrintGreen.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Susan Compton Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:34 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dear Scott, I agree with you. However, I believe the idea was to save the employees gasoline money for their cars. Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, VA 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cappel" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > For me that would be impossible. > > My clients are all corporate accounts. > > They are all open 5 days a week 8 to 5, and for us to be a successful > high-tech high-touch model we have to be open and available too. > > We have zero walk up, but not having walk up isn't really the point... > > I think carrying a cell phone and being available isn't going to cut it if > you are committed to extraordinary service. How will you handle an > emergency from a client if there's nobody there to handle it? > > I personally think all of this hand wring about energy costs is really > overblown. Its the latest media focus so now everybody's in a tizzy.... > > Take a look at your P and L and tell me that even a doubling in your > energy costs is really going to make that big of a difference in your > bottom line. > > I think sacrificing your business model to the "crisis of the moment" > needs a thorough reevaluation. > > We all need to stop and take a deep breath and learn how to deal with > increasing costs. > > Raising prices would be a good start. > > I believe you put yourself at a competitive disadvantage by closing on > Fridays. > > It would be my wish that all of my competition would do this. > > S. > > > At 04:48 PM 5/20/2008, you wrote: >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>With the cost of gasoline we are going to close on Friday's through the >>summer. We have 4 employees and they have agreed to work 4--10 hour days >>to get >>the work done and take the Friday's off. I will have my phone forwarded >>to cell >>so I will not miss anybody. We have no walk in traffic and will notify >>the >>significant parties. What do you think? >> >> >>************** >>Wondering what's for >>Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. >> >>(http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >>__________ NOD32 3115 (20080520) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3116 (20080521) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Wed May 21 11:13:50 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed May 21 11:11:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! References: Message-ID: <03dd01c8bb55$4685b080$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > You should talk to Western States - we get free shipping if we order 10 > cartons or more. Surely a pallet is at least that. ===================== I got 12 cartons, shipping was $227 or about $18 per carton $7.50 per thousand. But then I'm probably over 1,500 miles further away from them than you. I'll ask them if there are any other options. Thanks, Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From sos at olympus.net Wed May 21 11:31:01 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed May 21 11:29:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? References: <200805211419.m4LEJsBU091567@i2bnetworks.com> <48343885.9010002@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <040a01c8bb57$acf18f40$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > We did finally close Saturdays because of lack of business. (We used to > average $1000 in orders on Saturday when open). Now we strictly do > production, and get done by noon or 2, and have a weekend life. ======================== We get a lot of flack for not being open Saturdays and/or Sundays. My competitor is, at least the copy shop side of his business. But I tried being open on Saturdays for about a year and it was dismal. I remember days doing $13 and once only $11 worth of business all day long. Sure, you could do production work, but it's a lot easier when the doors are locked and the phone answering machine is on. So we are Monday through Friday only. Our real customers are only open then as well. I think four days a week could work if you can get the work done and delivered. If an employee or two could work Tuesday through Friday, you could still be open 5 days and still have everyone work 4/10s. I know of a shop that does that. They like it. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From marthabell at aol.com Wed May 21 11:35:42 2008 From: marthabell at aol.com (marthabell@aol.com) Date: Wed May 21 11:35:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] re: Closing Fridays In-Reply-To: <20080521145443.145F2F42996@rb.enter.net> References: <20080521145443.145F2F42996@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <8CA896F76857064-BD8-B00@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Dear Friends who have seen our collective margins shrink,? Who are we listening to? Am? I missing something, or is it just more expensive to drive on Fridays.? Why not rotate the days off.? The employees, and owners all want longer weekends.? Why don't we get some insightful and simple suggestions?? Hallmark Cards works 3 twelves.? But Hallmark, Grumman etc. have lead delivery times measured in months, not hours.? Can we hear from some owners who are making this work.? Instead of letting the fox guard the hen house.? And in Missouri, we have? a large number of hen houses.? Henry Leonard Marthabelle's Printing & Mailing Kansas City, MO 64112 marthabell@aol.com From gamble at choiceonemail.com Wed May 21 11:41:32 2008 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Wed May 21 11:41:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Info Form In-Reply-To: <20080521144905.4021.15667@hm-pop1.solinus.com> References: <20080521144905.4021.15667@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: <00b401c8bb59$253e4320$0201a8c0@RICK> Jeff, I implemented one of these years ago. I'll give you 2 guesses how many fill them out. And if they do they put info which is not relevant to what your trying to do Good guess..:) Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Haines Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:49 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Info Form ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We need to create a form to go with all mailing jobs to identify the file name to be addressed, what fields, how to format it, etc. Before we reinvent the wheel I was wondering if anyone had such a form they would be willing to email me. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 . Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz . www.hprinting.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From gamble at choiceonemail.com Wed May 21 11:43:04 2008 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Wed May 21 11:43:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! In-Reply-To: References: <038201c8bac3$4dfa2f90$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <00b501c8bb59$5c060140$0201a8c0@RICK> Could some one give me a number or contact for western states envelopes we run lots quote even more and now paying 14.90/m for #10 & #9 regs. Windows are worse Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cyndy Wendt Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:32 AM To: PrintOwners List Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On 5/20/08 4:48 PM, "Dan Huntingford" wrote: > I've seen several increases in the past few months. Plus, my sales rep was > just in yesterday, and they are cutting back to just one delivery a week. > I ordered a pallet full of envelopes from Western States Envelope at way > cheaper prices than my paper wholesaler, but freight was $227 so there goes > any savings. Well, actually I still saved about $1.00 per thousand. But > that's hardly worth screwing your local supplier for. > There doesn't appear to be any magic in the buying paper for less realm. > Get used to it. With oil going over $125 per barrel it's not going to end > anytime soon if at all. Dan, You should talk to Western States - we get free shipping if we order 10 cartons or more. Surely a pallet is at least that. Our current price on the 20# 11 x 17 was $14.06/m. That's 15% off last column I believe and is for the extra white Navigator. Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Wed May 21 12:09:43 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Wed May 21 12:09:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This would be a disaster for us, as we have clients with tight turnarounds and rush jobs. We would actually lose customers. If you could keep all your current customers, you're still running the risk of losing future customers. Anyone who needs something on a Friday, and if we're going to split the changes equally let's say that's 20% of people, isn't going to be able to use you. And honestly answering your cell phone at home/the grocery store/gym isn't going to provide anyone any significant advantage over an answering machine. Aside from a 3 day weekend every week I don't see any upside. Now if you were going to pay your employees for 32 hours, that would save you some money. Regards, Borzou www.falconprintandcopy.com t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 > From: > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 19:48:08 EDT > To: > Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > With the cost of gasoline we are going to close on Friday's through the > summer. We have 4 employees and they have agreed to work 4--10 hour days to > get > the work done and take the Friday's off. I will have my phone forwarded to > cell > so I will not miss anybody. We have no walk in traffic and will notify the > significant parties. What do you think? > > > ************** > Wondering what's for > Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Wed May 21 12:22:58 2008 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Wed May 21 12:20:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? References: <00b301c8bb5c$cd6da740$1401a8c0@JOY2> Message-ID: <007e01c8bb5e$efe8f200$0301a8c0@Leah> Who cares? If they chose not to stay home, at least they are spending it on something important to them. Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Downing" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:07 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > All good points, but do you really think your staff would stay home and > save > gas if they had a Friday off? > > Joy Downing > Liberty > 3021 Nashville Road > Bowling Green, KY 42101 > 270-782-7829 > > LibertyPrintGreen.com > > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Susan Compton > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:34 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dear Scott, > > I agree with you. However, I believe the idea was to save the employees > gasoline money for their cars. > > Susan Wells Compton > Compton Design & Printing Inc. > 109 South Jefferson Street > Lexington, VA 24450 > 540-463-9232 > 540-464-4329 Fax > Susan@cdandp.net > www.cdandp.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Cappel" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:19 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> For me that would be impossible. >> >> My clients are all corporate accounts. >> >> They are all open 5 days a week 8 to 5, and for us to be a successful >> high-tech high-touch model we have to be open and available too. >> >> We have zero walk up, but not having walk up isn't really the point... >> >> I think carrying a cell phone and being available isn't going to cut it >> if > >> you are committed to extraordinary service. How will you handle an >> emergency from a client if there's nobody there to handle it? >> >> I personally think all of this hand wring about energy costs is really >> overblown. Its the latest media focus so now everybody's in a tizzy.... >> >> Take a look at your P and L and tell me that even a doubling in your >> energy costs is really going to make that big of a difference in your >> bottom line. >> >> I think sacrificing your business model to the "crisis of the moment" >> needs a thorough reevaluation. >> >> We all need to stop and take a deep breath and learn how to deal with >> increasing costs. >> >> Raising prices would be a good start. >> >> I believe you put yourself at a competitive disadvantage by closing on >> Fridays. >> >> It would be my wish that all of my competition would do this. >> >> S. >> >> >> At 04:48 PM 5/20/2008, you wrote: >>>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>>With the cost of gasoline we are going to close on Friday's through the >>>summer. We have 4 employees and they have agreed to work 4--10 hour days >>>to get >>>the work done and take the Friday's off. I will have my phone forwarded >>>to cell >>>so I will not miss anybody. We have no walk in traffic and will notify >>>the >>>significant parties. What do you think? >>> >>> >>>************** >>>Wondering what's for >>>Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. >>> >>>(http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) >>>_______________________________________________ >>>PrintOwners Discussion List >>>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>>__________ NOD32 3115 (20080520) Information __________ >>> >>>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>>http://www.eset.com >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Scott Cappel >> >> Sorrento Mesa Printing >> 7398 Trade Street >> San Diego, CA 92121-2422 >> 858-527-0800 >> 858-527-1740 FAX >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com >> >> LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa >> >> Direct Links for Learning: >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html >> >> Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider >> Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider >> Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level >> Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider >> >> Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3116 (20080521) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From greg at pressexpress.org Wed May 21 12:58:09 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed May 21 12:58:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! In-Reply-To: <00b501c8bb59$5c060140$0201a8c0@RICK> References: <038201c8bac3$4dfa2f90$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <00b501c8bb59$5c060140$0201a8c0@RICK> Message-ID: <9ABCDC3A-66CF-4545-9CF9-C7B3A62C9CF9@pressexpress.org> Wisconsin 800-558-0514 Kentucky 800-354-9806 Ohio 800-835-3734 Minnesota 800-336-1721 I am in Wisconsin so these are the only numbers I have Greg On May 21, 2008, at 10:43 AM, Rick Bird wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Could some one give me a number or contact for western states > envelopes we > run lots quote even more and now paying 14.90/m for #10 & #9 regs. > Windows > are worse > > Rick Bird > Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. > 3649 California Road > Orchard Park, NY 14127 > (716) 662-1515 > (716) 662-5917 - Fax > gamble@choiceonemail.com - email > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cyndy Wendt > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:32 AM > To: PrintOwners List > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] over 40% 20# bond increase!!! > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On 5/20/08 4:48 PM, "Dan Huntingford" wrote: > >> I've seen several increases in the past few months. Plus, my sales >> rep was >> just in yesterday, and they are cutting back to just one delivery a >> week. >> I ordered a pallet full of envelopes from Western States Envelope >> at way >> cheaper prices than my paper wholesaler, but freight was $227 so >> there > goes >> any savings. Well, actually I still saved about $1.00 per >> thousand. But >> that's hardly worth screwing your local supplier for. >> There doesn't appear to be any magic in the buying paper for less >> realm. >> Get used to it. With oil going over $125 per barrel it's not going >> to end >> anytime soon if at all. > > Dan, > > You should talk to Western States - we get free shipping if we order > 10 > cartons or more. Surely a pallet is at least that. > > Our current price on the 20# 11 x 17 was $14.06/m. That's 15% off last > column I believe and is for the extra white Navigator. > > Cyndy > -- > Cyndy Wendt Harkins > President > Pioneer Printing, Inc. > 3133 S. 7th., Suite D > Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 > cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com > > 402.483.7575 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From jacemeister at gmail.com Wed May 21 14:30:48 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Wed May 21 14:30:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Accufast Tabber In-Reply-To: <77FDD1A50C1856408B95EB77DC87CF24084EBB@server2.printdept.office> References: <77FDD1A50C1856408B95EB77DC87CF24084EBB@server2.printdept.office> Message-ID: > > About two years ago I bought an Accufast KT Tabber with feeder from a > member of this list. He said it was put into service in September of 2004 > and he only ran about 10,000 tabs a month on it. Because most of our mailing > is post cards I doubt we've run 100,000 tabs in the time we've had it, so > there have probably been less than 300,000 pieces through the tabber and > feeder. The machine is in excellent shape and has run flawlessly for us, but > I just made a deal on a KT2 Tabber with feeder so I no longer will be > needing this one. I am asking $3000 for both the tabber and feeder. I have > not listed it anywhere else as of yet. Please contact me privately if you > are interested. > -- > Jace Prejean > Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc > 922 Sunset Ave > Houma, LA 70360 > Phone 985-868-8273 > > www.BayouPrinting.com From sos at olympus.net Wed May 21 14:49:52 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed May 21 14:47:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Norton References: <77FDD1A50C1856408B95EB77DC87CF24084EBB@server2.printdept.office> Message-ID: <048f01c8bb73$74517df0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> >As part of the Norton Automatic Renewal Service, Symantec has automatically >renewed your Norton AntiVirus subscription online by charging your debit or >credit card. =========== Just got the above from Symantic. Those sneaky bas. . . If you use Norton Anti-virus read the fine print on any message you get from them. You may be signing up for a lifetime supply of it without knowing anything about it. I was planning to switch to NOD 32 for the whole shop and so did not plan to buy any more Norton. Just thought I'd warn you all. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From brianoday at eprint.us Wed May 21 14:51:36 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Wed May 21 14:54:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Norton In-Reply-To: <048f01c8bb73$74517df0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <77FDD1A50C1856408B95EB77DC87CF24084EBB@server2.printdept.office> <048f01c8bb73$74517df0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <00b801c8bb73$b2960b30$800101df@eprint.local> I try to use my American Express card for things like this. If you do it is easier to protest the charges and if they don't have your signature they will have a harder time. I also hate automatic renewals. s Brian O'Day ePRINT 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland Oregon 97223 (503)684-267 Brianoday@eprint.us www.eprint.us -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:50 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Norton ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >As part of the Norton Automatic Renewal Service, Symantec has automatically >renewed your Norton AntiVirus subscription online by charging your debit or >credit card. =========== Just got the above from Symantic. Those sneaky bas. . . If you use Norton Anti-virus read the fine print on any message you get from them. You may be signing up for a lifetime supply of it without knowing anything about it. I was planning to switch to NOD 32 for the whole shop and so did not plan to buy any more Norton. Just thought I'd warn you all. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Wed May 21 14:59:02 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Wed May 21 14:58:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Norton In-Reply-To: <048f01c8bb73$74517df0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <77FDD1A50C1856408B95EB77DC87CF24084EBB@server2.printdept.office> <048f01c8bb73$74517df0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <013101c8bb74$bc3094c0$6401a8c0@coranew> Thanks. I switched to NOD 32 and love it. I hated Norton. When I bought my new computer the guy that built it for me put AVG on it and I didn't like it either. I was halfway through putting all my contacts, by hand, into ACT 2008 and because of this program's firewall, it is now corrupt so guess I will not use Act either....: ( Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From kk1127 at mindspring.com Wed May 21 15:14:29 2008 From: kk1127 at mindspring.com (John Hughes) Date: Wed May 21 15:14:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Norton References: <77FDD1A50C1856408B95EB77DC87CF24084EBB@server2.printdept.office> <048f01c8bb73$74517df0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <046a01c8bb76$e5bc7f50$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> I'd dispute the charge. John Hughes Kwik Kopy Printing kk1127@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Huntingford" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Norton > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >>As part of the Norton Automatic Renewal Service, Symantec has >>automatically renewed your Norton AntiVirus subscription online by >>charging your debit or credit card. > =========== > Just got the above from Symantic. Those sneaky bas. . . > If you use Norton Anti-virus read the fine print on any message you get > from them. You may be signing up for a lifetime supply of it without > knowing anything about it. > I was planning to switch to NOD 32 for the whole shop and so did not plan > to buy any more Norton. > > Just thought I'd warn you all. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From greg at pressexpress.org Wed May 21 15:33:03 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed May 21 15:33:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant Message-ID: I just don't get it. I ran short of some 10 mm spirals for a book project. I didn't have time to get them shipped in so I called our local Office Max. Them being competition in the copy area, I really do not try to support them but I really needed the spirals today so I called them. They answered "yes, we have 10 mm spirals in black". So I asked them to set a box aside for me and I will be right over. I jump in my car and run over and ask for my box of spirals and they had me a box of 3/8 inch combs instead! I stated that I specifically asked for 10 mm spirals and not 3/8 inch combs. Her response was "sir, I talked to you over the phone and I know what you asked for". I stood there dumbfounded. I then said that I know the difference between the two and I know what I asked for, regardless of what you thought you heard, I do not need the combs but rather the spirals. She replied, we don't have any spirals in stock we can sell you. Uuggg! Now get this, I look off to the left, and I see a copy project being spiral bound. It seemed everyone was hand applying the spirals! These books were everywhere! The cashiers and counter people were all hand spiraling these manuals so I said, that those are spirals and appear to be the size I am looking for, will you sell me just 25 of them? After she gave me a sigh, and dirty look that could kill, she sold them to me. I just don't get how they continue to stay in business with non experience and lack of training. They are just stupid. Now the kicker, the copy project I saw was for camp up the road from my house. They are a client of mine. I do printing for them but never got a chance to bid on this. Now for my next phone call . . . Just ranting. Greg Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From sos at olympus.net Wed May 21 15:45:30 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed May 21 15:43:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Norton References: <77FDD1A50C1856408B95EB77DC87CF24084EBB@server2.printdept.office><048f01c8bb73$74517df0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <046a01c8bb76$e5bc7f50$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <04ca01c8bb7b$39e6fcf0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hughes" > I'd dispute the charge. ================= John and Brian, I did use Amex for the last purchase so that's the card they were automatically charging this time and I do plan to dispute it. Just thought I'd warn everyone else. Thanks, Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed May 21 15:43:32 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed May 21 15:43:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant Message-ID: In a message dated 5/21/2008 3:35:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, greg@pressexpress.org writes: Now the kicker, the copy project I saw was for camp up the road from my house. They are a client of mine. I do printing for them but never got a chance to bid on this. Now for my next phone call . . . Greg I suspect you will get one of two answers when you call the camp: (1) "We didn't think you did small jobs like this and didn't want to bother you. OR (2) "We thought you only did printing since that is what your name is..." Just another marketing challenge to overcome! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) From greg at pressexpress.org Wed May 21 15:54:04 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed May 21 15:54:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5EC89BDA-8C90-4B68-A014-E0734CD8B240@pressexpress.org> Yup, I agree with you entirely! Our new name as of tomorrow is: Press, Copy, Spiral, Vinyl, Banner, Folding, Collating, Stapling, Flyers, Tickets, Brochures, Fax, Carbonless . . . . EXPRESS. I just wish one word could encompass all of what we quick printers do! Greg On May 21, 2008, at 2:43 PM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 5/21/2008 3:35:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > greg@pressexpress.org writes: > > Now the kicker, the copy project I saw was for camp up the road from > my house. They are a client of mine. I do printing for them but > never got a chance to bid on this. Now for my next phone call . . . > > > > > > Greg I suspect you will get one of two answers when you call the > camp: (1) > "We didn't think you did small jobs like this and didn't want to > bother you. OR > (2) "We thought you only did printing since that is what your name > is..." > Just another marketing challenge to overcome! > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http:// > www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking > with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&? > NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From StevePrint at aol.com Wed May 21 16:04:29 2008 From: StevePrint at aol.com (StevePrint@aol.com) Date: Wed May 21 16:04:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant Message-ID: Change your name to: We Do It All Printers, LOL Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 Order Printing & Promotional Products On-Line. We have Ideas & Solutions! Visit: _http://www.iorderprinting.com_ (http://www.iorderprinting.com/) **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed May 21 16:09:21 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed May 21 16:09:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Just in from PIA Message-ID: <200805212009.m4LK9Z3N073970@i2bnetworks.com> No matter what your politics, bottom line, if you work your ass off, it all boils down to taxes. So check it out: General Tax Relief/Small Business Tax Issues The expiration of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts will mean that the next President will play a critical role in determining the nation's tax structure. All three candidates have released tax plans, and while Clinton and Obama's are very similar, McCain has called for a continuation of most relief and further rollback in some areas. Below is a comparison of just a few of the differences between the candidates. Current Law McCain Clinton/Obama Top Tax Rate 35% 35% 39.6% Capital Gains Rate 15% 15% 39.6% Death Tax 0% 15%/$10 mill 55%/$1 mill AMT Rate 28% 0% 28% Corporate Income Tax 35% 25% 35% S. _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Wed May 21 16:18:24 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Harkins) Date: Wed May 21 16:18:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 5/21/08 2:33 PM, "Greg Weinfurter" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I just don't get it. > > I ran short of some 10 mm spirals for a book project. I didn't have > time to get them shipped in so I called our local Office Max. Them > being competition in the copy area, I really do not try to support > them but I really needed the spirals today so I called them. > > They answered "yes, we have 10 mm spirals in black". So I asked them > to set a box aside for me and I will be right over. I jump in my car > and run over and ask for my box of spirals and they had me a box of > 3/8 inch combs instead! I stated that I specifically asked for 10 mm > spirals and not 3/8 inch combs. A lot of people refer to comb binding as spiral binding for some reason. I have never seen continuous coil sold at any of the office supply stores, so that is probably why they handed you combs. We have had to learn to refer to "spiral" as "coil" binding to make the distinction from comb. I don't like to go to Office Max or Depot either, but there's really no where else to go for same day needs. It does make me gag to pay their retail prices for combs or paper knowing what their/my real costs are. At least it gives you an opportunity to talk to your client about all of the services you offer. -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Wed May 21 16:36:48 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Wed May 21 16:37:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Just in from PIA In-Reply-To: <200805212009.m4LK9Z3N073970@i2bnetworks.com> References: <200805212009.m4LK9Z3N073970@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <785DD237-332C-415B-9C92-3FBEBAF49145@bellsouth.net> Scott, About a week ago I saw an interview with Obama that really concerned me. He was proposing raising taxes on the rich to give back to the middle class. He was stating the middle class ($75,000) range should see $1000 less or so in taxes. And the rich, those above $200,000 will see an increase.... Not sure when $200,000 started qualifying as "rich". Buying votes with tax cuts seems to be the American way.... Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On May 21, 2008, at 4:09 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > No matter what your politics, bottom line, if you work your ass off, > it all boils down to taxes. > > So check it out: > > > > General Tax Relief/Small Business Tax Issues > The expiration of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts will mean that the next > President will play a critical role in determining the nation's tax > structure. All three candidates have released tax plans, and while > Clinton and Obama's are very similar, McCain has called for a > continuation of most relief and further rollback in some areas. > Below is a comparison of just a few of the differences between the > candidates. > Current Law McCain Clinton/Obama > Top Tax Rate 35% 35% 39.6% > Capital Gains Rate 15% 15% 39.6% > Death Tax 0% 15%/$10 mill 55%/$1 mill > AMT Rate 28% 0% 28% > Corporate Income Tax 35% 25% 35% > > > S. > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cpurvine1 at cox.net Wed May 21 16:59:37 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Wed May 21 16:59:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <015b01c8bb85$949f9530$6401a8c0@coranew> When I need combs or spirals at the last minute, I go to my local bindery. They are a lot cheaper and I am not supporting competition Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From cpurvine1 at cox.net Wed May 21 17:10:48 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Wed May 21 17:10:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: I just got a notice that I won $500, 000 lira in a Bingo Jackpot In-Reply-To: <04ca01c8bb7b$39e6fcf0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <77FDD1A50C1856408B95EB77DC87CF24084EBB@server2.printdept.office><048f01c8bb73$74517df0$6900a8c0@DANIEL><046a01c8bb76$e5bc7f50$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> <04ca01c8bb7b$39e6fcf0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <016201c8bb87$245d9130$6401a8c0@coranew> Hope it is true They said I was selected from my email. I answered all they wanted was my name, address and date of birth. Hope they aren't ID thieves.....: ( How much is $500,000 lira? Can I retire on that much? Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed May 21 17:17:18 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed May 21 17:17:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Just in from PIA In-Reply-To: <785DD237-332C-415B-9C92-3FBEBAF49145@bellsouth.net> References: <200805212009.m4LK9Z3N073970@i2bnetworks.com> <785DD237-332C-415B-9C92-3FBEBAF49145@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <200805212117.m4LLHWlN089199@i2bnetworks.com> I could deal with a 4% increase at the top (although I'd rather not) but what scares me is jacking the capital gains rate from 15 to 39.6. You want to lock down this economy so nothing moves...well, there you go. Damn idiots. Not a shred of economic sense in the both of them. S. At 01:36 PM 5/21/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Scott, > >About a week ago I saw an interview with Obama that really concerned me. > >He was proposing raising taxes on the rich to give back to the middle >class. He was stating the middle class ($75,000) range should see >$1000 less or so in taxes. And the rich, those above $200,000 will see >an increase.... > >Not sure when $200,000 started qualifying as "rich". > >Buying votes with tax cuts seems to be the American way.... > >Ben Travis > >Copy Express >4004-A South Blvd. >Charlotte, NC 20209 >cpyxpres@bellsouth.net >704-527-1750 > >On May 21, 2008, at 4:09 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >>No matter what your politics, bottom line, if you work your ass off, >>it all boils down to taxes. >> >>So check it out: >> >> >> >>General Tax Relief/Small Business Tax Issues >>The expiration of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts will mean that the next >>President will play a critical role in determining the nation's tax >>structure. All three candidates have released tax plans, and while >>Clinton and Obama's are very similar, McCain has called for a >>continuation of most relief and further rollback in some areas. >>Below is a comparison of just a few of the differences between the >>candidates. >> Current Law McCain Clinton/Obama >>Top Tax Rate 35% 35% 39.6% >>Capital Gains Rate 15% 15% 39.6% >>Death Tax 0% 15%/$10 mill 55%/$1 mill >>AMT Rate 28% 0% 28% >>Corporate Income Tax 35% 25% 35% >> >> >>S. >> >> >> >>_____________________________________________ >> >>Scott Cappel >> >>Sorrento Mesa Printing >>7398 Trade Street >>San Diego, CA 92121-2422 >>858-527-0800 >>858-527-1740 FAX >>http://www.sorrentomesa.com >> >>LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa >> >>Direct Links for Learning: >>http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html >>http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html >>http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html >> >>Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider >>Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider >>Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level >>Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider >> >>Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3118 (20080521) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Wed May 21 17:21:53 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Wed May 21 17:23:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Just in from PIA In-Reply-To: <200805212117.m4LLHWlN089199@i2bnetworks.com> References: <200805212009.m4LK9Z3N073970@i2bnetworks.com> <785DD237-332C-415B-9C92-3FBEBAF49145@bellsouth.net> <200805212117.m4LLHWlN089199@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <48349271.9060702@satx.rr.com> What else would you expect form the communist party? It seems the Dems are moving more toward socialist methods daily. The only conservative that ran was defeated because of his religion. The man who knows how to get money to increase is what we need now, not some tax and spend liberal. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > I could deal with a 4% increase at the top (although I'd rather not) > but what scares me is jacking the capital gains rate from 15 to 39.6. > > You want to lock down this economy so nothing moves...well, there you go. > > Damn idiots. Not a shred of economic sense in the both of them. > > S. > > > > At 01:36 PM 5/21/2008, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Scott, >> >> About a week ago I saw an interview with Obama that really concerned me. >> >> He was proposing raising taxes on the rich to give back to the middle >> class. He was stating the middle class ($75,000) range should see >> $1000 less or so in taxes. And the rich, those above $200,000 will see >> an increase.... >> >> Not sure when $200,000 started qualifying as "rich". >> >> Buying votes with tax cuts seems to be the American way.... >> >> Ben Travis >> >> Copy Express >> 4004-A South Blvd. >> Charlotte, NC 20209 >> cpyxpres@bellsouth.net >> 704-527-1750 >> >> On May 21, 2008, at 4:09 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> >>> No matter what your politics, bottom line, if you work your ass off, >>> it all boils down to taxes. >>> >>> So check it out: >>> >>> >>> >>> General Tax Relief/Small Business Tax Issues >>> The expiration of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts will mean that the next >>> President will play a critical role in determining the nation's tax >>> structure. All three candidates have released tax plans, and while >>> Clinton and Obama's are very similar, McCain has called for a >>> continuation of most relief and further rollback in some areas. >>> Below is a comparison of just a few of the differences between the >>> candidates. >>> Current Law McCain Clinton/Obama >>> Top Tax Rate 35% 35% 39.6% >>> Capital Gains Rate 15% 15% 39.6% >>> Death Tax 0% 15%/$10 mill 55%/$1 mill >>> AMT Rate 28% 0% 28% >>> Corporate Income Tax 35% 25% 35% >>> >>> >>> S. >>> >>> >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> >>> Scott Cappel >>> >>> Sorrento Mesa Printing >>> 7398 Trade Street >>> San Diego, CA 92121-2422 >>> 858-527-0800 >>> 858-527-1740 FAX >>> http://www.sorrentomesa.com >>> >>> LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa >>> >>> Direct Links for Learning: >>> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html >>> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html >>> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html >>> >>> Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider >>> Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider >>> Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level >>> Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider >>> >>> Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3118 (20080521) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From greg at pressexpress.org Wed May 21 17:24:59 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed May 21 17:25:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2FD44A55-8F55-40FE-858B-AE89653B5958@pressexpress.org> I agree, spiral/coil can be confusing, but how do you think they came to mix up 10mm into 3/8 inch? greg On May 21, 2008, at 3:18 PM, Cyndy Harkins wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On 5/21/08 2:33 PM, "Greg Weinfurter" wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I just don't get it. >> >> I ran short of some 10 mm spirals for a book project. I didn't have >> time to get them shipped in so I called our local Office Max. Them >> being competition in the copy area, I really do not try to support >> them but I really needed the spirals today so I called them. >> >> They answered "yes, we have 10 mm spirals in black". So I asked them >> to set a box aside for me and I will be right over. I jump in my car >> and run over and ask for my box of spirals and they had me a box of >> 3/8 inch combs instead! I stated that I specifically asked for 10 mm >> spirals and not 3/8 inch combs. > > A lot of people refer to comb binding as spiral binding for some > reason. I > have never seen continuous coil sold at any of the office supply > stores, so > that is probably why they handed you combs. We have had to learn to > refer to > "spiral" as "coil" binding to make the distinction from comb. > > I don't like to go to Office Max or Depot either, but there's really > no > where else to go for same day needs. It does make me gag to pay > their retail > prices for combs or paper knowing what their/my real costs are. > > At least it gives you an opportunity to talk to your client about > all of the > services you offer. > > -- > Cyndy Wendt Harkins > President > Pioneer Printing, Inc. > 3133 S. 7th., Suite D > Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 > cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com > > 402.483.7575 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From slb at inkspot.net Wed May 21 17:31:36 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed May 21 17:31:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Just in from PIA In-Reply-To: <785DD237-332C-415B-9C92-3FBEBAF49145@bellsouth.net> References: <200805212009.m4LK9Z3N073970@i2bnetworks.com>, <785DD237-332C-415B-9C92-3FBEBAF49145@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <48345C78.25972.19116686@slb.inkspot.net> This time around, we don't get to choose between good and bad. We get to choose between bad and worse, which, to paraphrase Robert Heinlein, frequently ends up being a much more important distinction. Steve > > Scott, > > About a week ago I saw an interview with Obama that really concerned me. > > He was proposing raising taxes on the rich to give back to the middle > class. He was stating the middle class ($75,000) range should see > $1000 less or so in taxes. And the rich, those above $200,000 will see > an increase.... > > Not sure when $200,000 started qualifying as "rich". > > Buying votes with tax cuts seems to be the American way.... > > Ben Travis > > Copy Express > 4004-A South Blvd. > Charlotte, NC 20209 > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net > 704-527-1750 > > On May 21, 2008, at 4:09 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > No matter what your politics, bottom line, if you work your ass off, > > it all boils down to taxes. > > > > So check it out: > > > > > > > > General Tax Relief/Small Business Tax Issues > > The expiration of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts will mean that the next > > President will play a critical role in determining the nation's tax > > structure. All three candidates have released tax plans, and while > > Clinton and Obama's are very similar, McCain has called for a > > continuation of most relief and further rollback in some areas. > > Below is a comparison of just a few of the differences between the > > candidates. > > Current Law McCain Clinton/Obama > > Top Tax Rate 35% 35% 39.6% > > Capital Gains Rate 15% 15% 39.6% > > Death Tax 0% 15%/$10 mill 55%/$1 mill > > AMT Rate 28% 0% 28% > > Corporate Income Tax 35% 25% 35% > > > > > > S. > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Scott Cappel > > > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > > 7398 Trade Street > > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > > 858-527-0800 > > 858-527-1740 FAX > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > > > LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > > > Direct Links for Learning: > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3118 (20080521) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed May 21 18:04:35 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed May 21 18:04:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant In-Reply-To: <5EC89BDA-8C90-4B68-A014-E0734CD8B240@pressexpress.org> References: <5EC89BDA-8C90-4B68-A014-E0734CD8B240@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: <8CA89A5C9B62757-15E0-27AD@webmail-md07.sysops.aol.com> Now that just made my day.? Thanks I needed that.? Been short a man since last Thursday & it seems that all my customers are coming in all at once. Here's the kicker. I have new competition just 2 blocks away.?? When I first arrived here there was no one?in my immediate area.? Now there is two.? LOL? Once again I needed that. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg Weinfurter To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wed, 21 May 2008 3:54 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Yup, I agree with you entirely!? ? Our new name as of tomorrow is:? ? Press, Copy, Spiral, Vinyl, Banner, Folding, Collating, Stapling, Flyers, Tickets, Brochures, Fax, Carbonless . . . . EXPRESS. ? ? I just wish one word could encompass all of what we quick printers do!? ? Greg? ? On May 21, 2008, at 2:43 PM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote:? ? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? >? >? > In a message dated 5/21/2008 3:35:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? > greg@pressexpress.org writes:? >? > Now the kicker, the copy project I saw was for camp up the road from? > my house. They are a client of mine. I do printing for them but? > never got a chance to bid on this. Now for my next phone call . . .? >? >? >? >? >? > Greg I suspect you will get one of two answers when you call the > camp: (1)? > "We didn't think you did small jobs like this and didn't want to > bother you. OR? > (2) "We thought you only did printing since that is what your name > is..."? > Just another marketing challenge to overcome!? >? >? > John Stewart? > Q. P. Consulting, Inc.? > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://> www.printshopsforsale.net/)? >? > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart? >? > 2110 S. Dairy Road? > West Melbourne, FL 32904? > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166? > Cell: 321-794-6259? > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/)? > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize."? >? >? >? > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking > with? > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.? > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?> NCID=aolfod00030000000002)? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? > --> This message has been scanned for viruses and? > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is? > believed to be clean.? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Wed May 21 18:17:33 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Wed May 21 18:18:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] re: Closing Fridays In-Reply-To: <8CA896F76857064-BD8-B00@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> References: <20080521145443.145F2F42996@rb.enter.net> <8CA896F76857064-BD8-B00@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Is anyone else getting lots of question marks in Henry's emails? There is one other person on the list that I get the same thing. Is it a setting on my computer? Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of marthabell@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:36 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] re: Closing Fridays ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dear Friends who have seen our collective margins shrink,? Who are we listening to? Am? I missing something, or is it just more expensive to drive on Fridays.? Why not rotate the days off.? The employees, and owners all want longer weekends.? Why don't we get some insightful and simple suggestions?? Hallmark Cards works 3 twelves.? But Hallmark, Grumman etc. have lead delivery times measured in months, not hours.? Can we hear from some owners who are making this work.? Instead of letting the fox guard the hen house.? And in Missouri, we have? a large number of hen houses.? Henry Leonard Marthabelle's Printing & Mailing Kansas City, MO 64112 marthabell@aol.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed May 21 18:20:07 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed May 21 18:20:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: I just got a notice that I won $500, 000 lira in a Bingo Jackpot In-Reply-To: <016201c8bb87$245d9130$6401a8c0@coranew> References: <77FDD1A50C1856408B95EB77DC87CF24084EBB@server2.printdept.office> <048f01c8bb73$74517df0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <046a01c8bb76$e5bc7f50$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> <04ca01c8bb7b$39e6fcf0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <016201c8bb87$245d9130$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0805211520o1a68808ct982281e32378530a@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Cora wrote: > > Hope it is true They said I was selected from my email. I answered all > they wanted was my name, address and date of birth. What, no social security and driver's license numbers? > ( How much is $500,000 lira? Can I retire on that much? Now that depends, Cora. The Italian lira is now obsolete, having been replaced by the Euro. But the Turkish currency is also called the lira. Assuming it's the latter, 500,000 lira is just shy of $447,000. On the other hand, if it's in ITL (Italian lira), the value is a tad less, at $406.79. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Wed May 21 18:20:58 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Wed May 21 18:22:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant In-Reply-To: <8CA89A5C9B62757-15E0-27AD@webmail-md07.sysops.aol.com> References: <5EC89BDA-8C90-4B68-A014-E0734CD8B240@pressexpress.org> <8CA89A5C9B62757-15E0-27AD@webmail-md07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Just realized Tommy is the other one that I get question marks in the email. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:05 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Now that just made my day.? Thanks I needed that.? Been short a man since last Thursday & it seems that all my customers are coming in all at once. Here's the kicker. I have new competition just 2 blocks away.?? When I first arrived here there was no one?in my immediate area.? Now there is two.? LOL? Once again I needed that. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg Weinfurter To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wed, 21 May 2008 3:54 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Yup, I agree with you entirely!? ? Our new name as of tomorrow is:? ? Press, Copy, Spiral, Vinyl, Banner, Folding, Collating, Stapling, Flyers, Tickets, Brochures, Fax, Carbonless . . . . EXPRESS. ? ? I just wish one word could encompass all of what we quick printers do!? ? Greg? ? On May 21, 2008, at 2:43 PM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote:? ? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? >? >? > In a message dated 5/21/2008 3:35:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? > greg@pressexpress.org writes:? >? > Now the kicker, the copy project I saw was for camp up the road from? > my house. They are a client of mine. I do printing for them but? > never got a chance to bid on this. Now for my next phone call . . .? >? >? >? >? >? > Greg I suspect you will get one of two answers when you call the > camp: (1)? > "We didn't think you did small jobs like this and didn't want to > bother you. OR? > (2) "We thought you only did printing since that is what your name > is..."? > Just another marketing challenge to overcome!? >? >? > John Stewart? > Q. P. Consulting, Inc.? > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://> www.printshopsforsale.net/)? >? > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart? >? > 2110 S. Dairy Road? > West Melbourne, FL 32904? > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166? > Cell: 321-794-6259? > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/)? > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize."? >? >? >? > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking > with? > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.? > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?> NCID=aolfod00030000000002)? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? > --> This message has been scanned for viruses and? > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is? > believed to be clean.? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Wed May 21 18:24:26 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Wed May 21 18:25:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? In-Reply-To: <040a01c8bb57$acf18f40$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <200805211419.m4LEJsBU091567@i2bnetworks.com><48343885.9010002@fmtc.com> <040a01c8bb57$acf18f40$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: 17 years ago I tried being open on Saturday. My press operator said the previous owners tried it and it didn't work. I said I need to try it myself. Open from first Saturday in November 1991 to last Saturday of July 2002. 9-noon. Biggest day was $5.00. Never wrote a single invoice in all that time. Guess who isn't open Saturdays anymore? Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:31 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > We did finally close Saturdays because of lack of business. (We used > to average $1000 in orders on Saturday when open). Now we strictly do > production, and get done by noon or 2, and have a weekend life. ======================== We get a lot of flack for not being open Saturdays and/or Sundays. My competitor is, at least the copy shop side of his business. But I tried being open on Saturdays for about a year and it was dismal. I remember days doing $13 and once only $11 worth of business all day long. Sure, you could do production work, but it's a lot easier when the doors are locked and the phone answering machine is on. So we are Monday through Friday only. Our real customers are only open then as well. I think four days a week could work if you can get the work done and delivered. If an employee or two could work Tuesday through Friday, you could still be open 5 days and still have everyone work 4/10s. I know of a shop that does that. They like it. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From dennis.trump at gmail.com Wed May 21 18:30:27 2008 From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump) Date: Wed May 21 18:30:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant In-Reply-To: References: <5EC89BDA-8C90-4B68-A014-E0734CD8B240@pressexpress.org> <8CA89A5C9B62757-15E0-27AD@webmail-md07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <41aa6a080805211530u60ac5bffyfdada2084d934229@mail.gmail.com> Mark you get question marks from Tommy but when I get your emails I get a file "noname" that I have to open to read your post. On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Mark Lake wrote: > -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 From si at ria.net Wed May 21 18:30:39 2008 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Wed May 21 18:33:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] re: Closing Fridays In-Reply-To: References: <20080521145443.145F2F42996@rb.enter.net> <8CA896F76857064-BD8-B00@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20080521153337.F8191DB6@dm37.mta.everyone.net> At 06:17 PM 5/21/2008, Mark Lake wrote: >Is anyone else getting lots of question marks in Henry's emails? There is >one other person on the list that I get the same thing. Is it a setting on >my computer? Not your computer, Mark. Messages posted using AOL webmail (specifically AOL Webmail 36743-STANDARD) show up on many email programs with lots of question marks. Tommy Melendez also uses that version of AOL webmail, and his messages are difficult to read due to all the ????? throughout the text. Folks using that email client would be well advised to switch to something else, especially if they are using email with their customers. Doug Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From rstor at copycats.com Wed May 21 18:46:05 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Wed May 21 18:47:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4834A62D.20606@copycats.com> Comb binding (flat teeth, through rectangular holes) was originally made by GBC and was known as "GBC" binding. (Same as story as Velo binding). This was a trademark name, obviously. Spiral Binding company wanted to compete (I believe when the product cam off patent) so they started calling the comb "spiral", which stuck despite the fact that it is not a spiral. We call it "comb" and we encourage our clients to call it that, to distinguish it from "coil" which is the plastic spiral, and from "wire-o" which is the double wire. Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Cyndy Harkins wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On 5/21/08 2:33 PM, "Greg Weinfurter" wrote: > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I just don't get it. >> >> I ran short of some 10 mm spirals for a book project. I didn't have >> time to get them shipped in so I called our local Office Max. Them >> being competition in the copy area, I really do not try to support >> them but I really needed the spirals today so I called them. >> >> They answered "yes, we have 10 mm spirals in black". So I asked them >> to set a box aside for me and I will be right over. I jump in my car >> and run over and ask for my box of spirals and they had me a box of >> 3/8 inch combs instead! I stated that I specifically asked for 10 mm >> spirals and not 3/8 inch combs. >> > > A lot of people refer to comb binding as spiral binding for some reason. I > have never seen continuous coil sold at any of the office supply stores, so > that is probably why they handed you combs. We have had to learn to refer to > "spiral" as "coil" binding to make the distinction from comb. > > I don't like to go to Office Max or Depot either, but there's really no > where else to go for same day needs. It does make me gag to pay their retail > prices for combs or paper knowing what their/my real costs are. > > At least it gives you an opportunity to talk to your client about all of the > services you offer. > > From joe at colorcraftprinting.com Wed May 21 19:18:42 2008 From: joe at colorcraftprinting.com (Joe Nutile) Date: Wed May 21 19:18:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: I just got a notice that I won $500, 000 lira in a Bingo Jackpot In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0805211520o1a68808ct982281e32378530a@mail.gmail.com> References: <77FDD1A50C1856408B95EB77DC87CF24084EBB@server2.printdept.office> <048f01c8bb73$74517df0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <046a01c8bb76$e5bc7f50$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> <04ca01c8bb7b$39e6fcf0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <016201c8bb87$245d9130$6401a8c0@coranew> <98f5b19a0805211520o1a68808ct982281e32378530a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: They probably have the ssn. : ( Joe On May 21, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Cora wrote: >> >> Hope it is true They said I was selected from my email. I >> answered all >> they wanted was my name, address and date of birth. > > > What, no social security and driver's license numbers? > > >> ( How much is $500,000 lira? Can I retire on that much? > > > Now that depends, Cora. > The Italian lira is now obsolete, having been replaced by the Euro. > But the Turkish currency is also called the lira. > Assuming it's the latter, 500,000 lira is just shy of $447,000. > On the other hand, if it's in ITL (Italian lira), the value is a tad > less, at $406.79. > > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > Joe Nutile ColorCraft Printing 805-461-3742 http:www.colorcraftprinting.com Commercial and Digital Printing From cpurvine1 at cox.net Wed May 21 19:52:27 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Wed May 21 19:52:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: I just got a notice that I won $500, 000 lira in a Bingo Jackpot In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0805211520o1a68808ct982281e32378530a@mail.gmail.com> References: <77FDD1A50C1856408B95EB77DC87CF24084EBB@server2.printdept.office><048f01c8bb73$74517df0$6900a8c0@DANIEL><046a01c8bb76$e5bc7f50$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK><04ca01c8bb7b$39e6fcf0$6900a8c0@DANIEL><016201c8bb87$245d9130$6401a8c0@coranew> <98f5b19a0805211520o1a68808ct982281e32378530a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <01d201c8bb9d$b95627f0$6401a8c0@coranew> Oh well any is more than I have now And probably more than I will get also This Bertha keeps trying to get me to buy lucky charms etc, and she said that this month would be the luckiest month of my life. Of course I didn't buy her charms, but.....maybe I always delete her messages, but I sometimes find them fun too. Just to see if any of them are true Looks like it is from the Netherlands????? ____________________________________________________________________________ SPONSOR BINGO LOTTERY INT. NL DAMSTRAAT 30 3531 BV UTRECHT, THE NETHERLANDS. TELEPHONE:+31-681-094-486 TEL/FAX :+31-847-270-278 FROM USA : + 011-31-681-094-486 Attn: Cora Your email indicating you as a winner in the lottery programs held by the Sponsor Bingo Loterij International was received. Your email address was selected through the computer ballot system from the average collection of over 70,000.000.00,Seventy million email addresses, your email address attached to a single ticket was found as one of the lucky email address that emerge from the second category to have won the sum of Five Hundred Thousand Euros 500,000.00cts, only. You are advised to click reply, fill carefully the information provided to you in the notifiaction before sending. This will enable us verify that we are in contact with he rightful winner. SPONSOR BINGO LOTTERY CLAIMS VERIFICATION FORM. Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:20 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] OFF: I just got a notice that I won $500,000 lira in a Bingo Jackpot ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Cora wrote: > > Hope it is true They said I was selected from my email. I answered all > they wanted was my name, address and date of birth. What, no social security and driver's license numbers? > ( How much is $500,000 lira? Can I retire on that much? Now that depends, Cora. The Italian lira is now obsolete, having been replaced by the Euro. But the Turkish currency is also called the lira. Assuming it's the latter, 500,000 lira is just shy of $447,000. On the other hand, if it's in ITL (Italian lira), the value is a tad less, at $406.79. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3118 (20080521) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed May 21 20:26:53 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed May 21 20:27:07 2008 Subject: Putting things in perspective Re: [PrintOwners] Just in from PIA Message-ID: In a message dated 5/21/2008 4:37:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cpyxpres@bellsouth.net writes: He was proposing raising taxes on the rich to give back to the middle class. He was stating the middle class ($75,000) range should see $1000 less or so in taxes. And the rich, those above $200,000 will see an increase.... Not sure when $200,000 started qualifying as "rich". Buying votes with tax cuts seems to be the American way.... Ben Travis Hey folks, let's not get too worked up over all this stuff, it's way too early to start this political stuff. Plus, most on this list won't be affected by these predictions or threats! The reality of the situation is that (even if most of you are super wealthy ) using data from 2005, 95% of all U.S. households make $166,000 or less. Approximately 98% of households make less than $250,000... 80% make less than $91,000. So if you are making $200,000 or more then consider yourself very fortunate... this is not meant as a political statement but just as a fact! The facts are that most on this list and most printers in this industry DON'T have to worry about breaking that $200,000 barrier any time too soon. The same thing can be said for achieving a notable net worth, at least not any time soon. By the way, I didn't do any selective research on this.... just type in "average and median U.S. income histograms" and you will find all the data and facts that you want. If you want to view two of these histograms you can go here: _http://www.visualizingeconomics.com/category/histogram/_ (http://www.visualizingeconomics.com/category/histogram/) The histograms are a bit hard to read but I think if you double click on the chart it becomes very readable. Here is the gif for the chart: _http://www.visualizingeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2005_income_distributi on.gif_ (http://www.visualizingeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2005_income_distribution.gif) John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) From acepm2 at gmail.com Wed May 21 21:22:22 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Wed May 21 21:22:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] re: Closing Fridays In-Reply-To: <20080521153337.F8191DB6@dm37.mta.everyone.net> References: <20080521145443.145F2F42996@rb.enter.net> <8CA896F76857064-BD8-B00@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> <20080521153337.F8191DB6@dm37.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: I honestly didn't think that most businesses used AOL anymore. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Doug Shelton wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > At 06:17 PM 5/21/2008, Mark Lake wrote: > > Is anyone else getting lots of question marks in Henry's emails? There is >> one other person on the list that I get the same thing. Is it a setting on >> my computer? >> > > Not your computer, Mark. > > Messages posted using AOL webmail (specifically AOL Webmail 36743-STANDARD) > show up on many email programs with lots of question marks. Tommy Melendez > also uses that version of AOL webmail, and his messages are difficult to > read > due to all the ????? throughout the text. > > Folks using that email client would be well advised to switch to something > else, especially if they are using email with their customers. > > Doug > > > Doug Shelton > Superior Impressions, Inc. > Toledo, Ohio > mailto:si@ria.net > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From DanF at MMSNY.com Wed May 21 22:12:29 2008 From: DanF at MMSNY.com (Dan Flatt) Date: Wed May 21 22:04:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? Message-ID: We give employees a combination of vacation days and sabbatical days. Sabbatical days have to be used within each month (or lost) (1-2 days depending on the month and Holidays within that month) that employees can schedule to use as long as another person in their department does not already have it scheduled for vacation or sabbatical. This allows us to give employees more time off and still serve our customers. We have 20 employees and I am not sure that it would work for smaller shops. Dan Flatt owner Multi Media Services 11136-40 River Road Corning, NY 14830 main 607-936-3186 CELL 607-331-7217 PLEASE CALL MY CELL FIRST! Fax 877-684-3043 www.mmsny.com Isn't it time that you had a business printer printing for your business? Other contacts: Rick Bartholomew president -Manufacturing 607-769-8111 Belinda Wilcox vp-Finance & CSR's 607-936-3186 Rose Flatt VP - Creative 607-331-1555 Dick Shelford Sunset Operations 607-331-5775 Patty Carlson Strategic accounts 607-331-5314 Jenna Nailer IR operations liaison 607-331-5314 Dave Satterly IR operations 570-882-0485 Ralph Begeal CSR 607-331-5572 Steve Mullen CSR / paper 607-936-3186 Margaret Puffer Major accounts / mailing 607-936-318 Emily Colletta creative 607-331-7068 Judy Pruyne creative 607-331-5963 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:10 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** This would be a disaster for us, as we have clients with tight turnarounds and rush jobs. We would actually lose customers. If you could keep all your current customers, you're still running the risk of losing future customers. Anyone who needs something on a Friday, and if we're going to split the changes equally let's say that's 20% of people, isn't going to be able to use you. And honestly answering your cell phone at home/the grocery store/gym isn't going to provide anyone any significant advantage over an answering machine. Aside from a 3 day weekend every week I don't see any upside. Now if you were going to pay your employees for 32 hours, that would save you some money. Regards, Borzou www.falconprintandcopy.com t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 > From: > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 19:48:08 EDT > To: > Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > With the cost of gasoline we are going to close on Friday's through > the summer. We have 4 employees and they have agreed to work 4--10 > hour days to get the work done and take the Friday's off. I will have > my phone forwarded to cell > so I will not miss anybody. We have no walk in traffic and will notify the > significant parties. What do you think? > > > ************** > Wondering what's for > Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed May 21 22:18:10 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed May 21 22:18:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0805211918g5f6f30d9uf732ac1288f24e23@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Borzou Azabdaftari < borzou@falconprintandcopy.com> wrote: > > > Aside from a 3 day weekend every week I don't see any > upside. Geez, Bourzou, that's a helluva lot of upside! Like the equivalent of an extra 7.4 weeks per year of vacation!! Let's not get overly greedy. It should be obvious by now that the proposal could work for many, and for many others it would not. But an extra personal day per week, used wisely, can translate into a great deal of personal gain, however you might define it. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From championprinting at yahoo.com Wed May 21 22:23:57 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Wed May 21 22:24:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Just in from PIA Message-ID: <9241.46302.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So what religion is Ron Paul? Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Dennis Ewing To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:21:53 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Just in from PIA ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** What else would you expect form the communist party? It seems the Dems are moving more toward socialist methods daily. The only conservative that ran was defeated because of his religion. The man who knows how to get money to increase is what we need now, not some tax and spend liberal. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > I could deal with a 4% increase at the top (although I'd rather not) > but what scares me is jacking the capital gains rate from 15 to 39.6. > > You want to lock down this economy so nothing moves...well, there you go. > > Damn idiots. Not a shred of economic sense in the both of them. > > S. > > > > At 01:36 PM 5/21/2008, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Scott, >> >> About a week ago I saw an interview with Obama that really concerned me. >> >> He was proposing raising taxes on the rich to give back to the middle >> class. He was stating the middle class ($75,000) range should see >> $1000 less or so in taxes. And the rich, those above $200,000 will see >> an increase.... >> >> Not sure when $200,000 started qualifying as "rich". >> >> Buying votes with tax cuts seems to be the American way.... >> >> Ben Travis >> >> Copy Express >> 4004-A South Blvd. >> Charlotte, NC 20209 >> cpyxpres@bellsouth.net >> 704-527-1750 >> >> On May 21, 2008, at 4:09 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> >>> No matter what your politics, bottom line, if you work your ass off, >>> it all boils down to taxes. >>> >>> So check it out: >>> >>> >>> >>> General Tax Relief/Small Business Tax Issues >>> The expiration of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts will mean that the next >>> President will play a critical role in determining the nation's tax >>> structure. All three candidates have released tax plans, and while >>> Clinton and Obama's are very similar, McCain has called for a >>> continuation of most relief and further rollback in some areas. >>> Below is a comparison of just a few of the differences between the >>> candidates. >>>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Current Law? ? McCain? Clinton/Obama >>> Top Tax Rate? ? 35%? ? ? ? ? ? 35%? ? ? ? ? ? 39.6% >>> Capital Gains Rate? ? ? 15%? ? ? ? ? ? 15%? ? ? ? ? ? 39.6% >>> Death Tax? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 0%? ? ? ? ? ? 15%/$10 mill? ? 55%/$1 mill >>> AMT Rate? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 28%? ? ? ? ? ? 0%? ? ? ? ? ? ? 28% >>> Corporate Income Tax 35%? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 25%? ? ? ? ? ? 35% >>> >>> >>> S. >>> >>> >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> >>> Scott Cappel >>> >>> Sorrento Mesa Printing >>> 7398 Trade Street >>> San Diego, CA 92121-2422 >>> 858-527-0800 >>> 858-527-1740 FAX >>> http://www.sorrentomesa.com >>> >>> LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa >>> >>> Direct Links for Learning: >>> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html >>> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html >>> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html >>> >>> Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider >>> Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider >>> Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level >>> Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider >>> >>> Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3118 (20080521) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed May 21 22:27:00 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed May 21 22:27:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] re: Closing Fridays In-Reply-To: References: <20080521145443.145F2F42996@rb.enter.net> <8CA896F76857064-BD8-B00@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0805211927m2fe17991s31d9e8073eba629d@mail.gmail.com> At 06:17 PM 5/21/2008, Mark Lake wrote: Is anyone else getting lots of question marks in Henry's emails? There is > one other person on the list that I get the same thing. Is it a setting on > my computer? I get the same thing on certain people's emails, Tommy Copy-That being one that comes immediately to mind. But Mark's -- and only Mark's -- emails always come to me as a "noname" attachment. What's with that? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed May 21 22:51:07 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed May 21 22:51:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Just in from PIA In-Reply-To: <200805212009.m4LK9Z3N073970@i2bnetworks.com> References: <200805212009.m4LK9Z3N073970@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0805211951u1fd83dd8q64b0c0c6041181c7@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > > Current Law McCain Clinton/Obama > Top Tax Rate 35% 35% 39.6% > Capital Gains Rate 15% 15% 39.6% > Death Tax 0% 15%/$10 mill 55%/$1 mill > AMT Rate 28% 0% 28% > Corporate Income Tax 35% 25% 35% > > While I'm all for less government and less government spending, the issue of taxes is not as cut-and-dried as this comparison would suggest. The fact is that our already committed social security and medicare benefits are already destined to bankrupt us, to say nothing of the new entitlements on the table. Some restructuring of taxes, and yes, probably some higher ones, is inevitable. We're in this too deep to pounce on this issue strictly along partisan lines. The above chart probably reflects more campaign rhetoric than reality. And how they'll spend is certainly the bigger issue. A recommended, fair, non-partisan, highly readable view of all sides of the related issues is: "Where Does the Money Go?: Your Guided Tour to the Federal Budget Crisis" (http://tinyurl.com/53zgth) -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From dvmonto at optonline.net Wed May 21 23:28:36 2008 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Wed May 21 23:28:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing Friday's?? In-Reply-To: < > Message-ID: I took you 11 years to figure out being open Saturdays was not working? :-)) -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net -- "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 On 5/21/08 6:24 PM, "Mark Lake" wrote: > I said I need to try it myself. > Open from first Saturday in November 1991 to last Saturday of July 2002. > 9-noon. Biggest day was $5.00. Never wrote a single invoice in all that > time. Guess who isn't open Saturdays anymore? From armand at curryonline.com Wed May 21 23:34:23 2008 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Wed May 21 23:34:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Norton In-Reply-To: <04ca01c8bb7b$39e6fcf0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <77FDD1A50C1856408B95EB77DC87CF24084EBB@server2.printdept.office><048f01c8bb73$74517df0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <046a01c8bb76$e5bc7f50$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> <04ca01c8bb7b$39e6fcf0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <091c01c8bbbc$bac61a90$30524fb0$@com> Before disputing it, have you tried calling Symantec and tell them you no longer want the subscription? Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing Auburn, ME 04210 armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:46 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Norton ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hughes" > I'd dispute the charge. ================= John and Brian, I did use Amex for the last purchase so that's the card they were automatically charging this time and I do plan to dispute it. Just thought I'd warn everyone else. Thanks, Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From tufelkinder at gmail.com Wed May 21 23:51:07 2008 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Wed May 21 23:51:14 2008 Subject: Putting things in perspective Re: [PrintOwners] Just in from PIA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84f70d5e0805212051y7d5087d3wfdee3da81ac3f731@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 8:26 PM, wrote: > So if you are making $200,000 or more then consider yourself very > fortunate... this is not meant as a political statement but just as a fact! Why should someone _earning_ $200k+/year consider themselves fortunate? Fortunate that the government didn't take more...yet...? Luck is, occasionally, involved in life, to be sure, but in my opinion hard work and intelligence have a lot more do to with how much a person earns. But I think this is the root of the progressive taxation ideology: "we're just taxing the _lucky_ ones who got wealthy... And it's only 5% or 2% or 1% of the population anyway, so what's the big deal?" In other words, they are punishing the most intelligent and/or the hardest-working, but definitely the most productive members of society. Not a good way to build a healthy economy, in my humble opinion. Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA 800-955-3902 http://mercersburg.net tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ Shallow men believe in luck. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu May 22 00:21:06 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu May 22 00:26:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant In-Reply-To: References: <5EC89BDA-8C90-4B68-A014-E0734CD8B240@pressexpress.org> <8CA89A5C9B62757-15E0-27AD@webmail-md07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CA89DA6392AB16-534-7A0@webmail-dd06.sysops.aol.com> : )? sorry.? I've noticed that also Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Lake To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Wed, 21 May 2008 3:20 pm Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Just realized Tommy is the other one that I get question marks in the email. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:05 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Now that just made my day.? Thanks I needed that.? Been short a man since last Thursday & it seems that all my customers are coming in all at once. Here's the kicker. I have new competition just 2 blocks away.?? When I first arrived here there was no one?in my immediate area.? Now there is two.? LOL? Once again I needed that. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg Weinfurter To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wed, 21 May 2008 3:54 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Yup, I agree with you entirely!? ? Our new name as of tomorrow is:? ? Press, Copy, Spiral, Vinyl, Banner, Folding, Collating, Stapling, Flyers, Tickets, Brochures, Fax, Carbonless . . . . EXPRESS. ? ? I just wish one word could encompass all of what we quick printers do!? ? Greg? ? On May 21, 2008, at 2:43 PM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote:? ? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? >? >? > In a message dated 5/21/2008 3:35:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? > greg@pressexpress.org writes:? >? > Now the kicker, the copy project I saw was for camp up the road from? > my house. They are a client of mine. I do printing for them but? > never got a chance to bid on this. Now for my next phone call . . .? >? >? >? >? >? > Greg I suspect you will get one of two answers when you call the > camp: (1)? > "We didn't think you did small jobs like this and didn't want to > bother you. OR? > (2) "We thought you only did printing since that is what your name > is..."? > Just another marketing challenge to overcome!? >? >? > John Stewart? > Q. P. Consulting, Inc.? > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://> www.printshopsforsale.net/)? >? > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart? >? > 2110 S. Dairy Road? > West Melbourne, FL 32904? > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166? > Cell: 321-794-6259? > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/)? > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize."? >? >? >? > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking > with? > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.? > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?> NCID=aolfod00030000000002)? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? > --> This message has been scanned for viruses and? > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is? > believed to be clean.? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu May 22 00:30:10 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu May 22 00:40:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] re: Closing Fridays In-Reply-To: References: <20080521145443.145F2F42996@rb.enter.net> <8CA896F76857064-BD8-B00@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> <20080521153337.F8191DB6@dm37.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <8CA89DBA750D4FE-534-7C1@webmail-dd06.sysops.aol.com> I've never had any other type of email address.? I've been with AOL since they started.? We get lots of orders through the website & Iarge accounts prefer to see my face.? So not much is done through emails. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Thom Gulyas To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wed, 21 May 2008 6:22 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] re: Closing Fridays ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I honestly didn't think that most businesses used AOL anymore. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Doug Shelton wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > At 06:17 PM 5/21/2008, Mark Lake wrote: > > Is anyone else getting lots of question marks in Henry's emails? There is >> one other person on the list that I get the same thing. Is it a setting on >> my computer? >> > > Not your computer, Mark. > > Messages posted using AOL webmail (specifically AOL Webmail 36743-STANDARD) > show up on many email programs with lots of question marks. Tommy Melendez > also uses that version of AOL webmail, and his messages are difficult to > read > due to all the ????? throughout the text. > > Folks using that email client would be well advised to switch to something > else, especially if they are using email with their customers. > > Doug > > > Doug Shelton > Superior Impressions, Inc. > Toledo, Ohio > mailto:si@ria.net > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu May 22 07:53:34 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Thu May 22 07:53:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: NOTARIZATION OF PRIZE AWARD DOCUMENTS/APPOINTMENT. In-Reply-To: <888544.17665.qm@web28303.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <00da01c8bb58$8283c8d0$6401a8c0@coranew> <888544.17665.qm@web28303.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007501c8bc02$76c6b6b0$6401a8c0@coranew> Well, so much for that Does anyone that lives in the Netherlands want to check this out for me Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP _____ From: John Boone [mailto:johnboone2007@yahoo.de] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 6:29 AM To: Cora Subject: NOTARIZATION OF PRIZE AWARD DOCUMENTS/APPOINTMENT. SPONSOR BINGO LOTTERY INT. NL DAMSTRAAT 30 3531 BV UTRECHT, THE NETHERLANDS. TELEPHONE:+31-681-094-486 TEL/FAX :+31-847-270-278 FROM USA : + 011-31-681-094-486 TEL/FAX :011+31-847-270-278 Dear Cora Purvine, This is to acknowledge the receipt of the claims appraisal and verification form. I hereby confirm that the content has been verified to be correct. Please be informed that you are required to notarise the award winning certificate here in the Netherlands as this is a pre-requisite for there mittance of the winning sum. For this purpose an official appointment has been scheduled for you for Tuesday the 27th day of May 2008 in Amsterdam. Should you be unable to meet this appointment, you can authorise our affiliated legal practitioner/ advocate to do the signing on your behalf.In the case of the above as your chosen alternative, do notify us as soon as possible so that you can duely be informed of the requirements necessary to achieve this.You are advised to notify us as soon as possible for the chosen option. Warm regards, Mrs. T.M Marlan. Legal Secretary _____ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail . Dem pfiffigeren Posteingang. From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu May 22 08:06:35 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu May 22 08:06:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant Message-ID: In a message dated 5/22/2008 12:28:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, copythatnyc@aol.com writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** : )? sorry.? I've noticed that also Do you always use the same keyboard to send your emails? Maybe it is just a question of the period and question mark being so close to each other and there is a short and thus a bad keyboard. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) From kellycrom at gmail.com Thu May 22 09:35:08 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Thu May 22 09:33:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant In-Reply-To: <8CA89DA6392AB16-534-7A0@webmail-dd06.sysops.aol.com> References: <5EC89BDA-8C90-4B68-A014-E0734CD8B240@pressexpress.org> <8CA89A5C9B62757-15E0-27AD@webmail-md07.sysops.aol.com> <8CA89DA6392AB16-534-7A0@webmail-dd06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <00b601c8bc10$a7e6d280$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Tommy, In using AOL mail, are you also using the graphical "smileys" in your emails? If so, that is why we see all of the question marks, since all emails on this list come through in plain text formatting, not html. This is also the reason quite a few emails from others come through as attachments(html format instead of plain text). I think that if you try and remember that posts/replies to this list are plain text only, then you should refrain from inserting any graphics(smileys), and we will most likely not get any more "random" question marks in your posts. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:21 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > : )? sorry.? I've noticed that also > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Lake > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Sent: Wed, 21 May 2008 3:20 pm > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Just realized Tommy is the other one that I get question > marks in the email. > > > > Mark Lake > PIP Printing > 368 Jefferson Street > Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 > 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax > www.pipsturgeonbay.com > Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com > > To send a file to us, please use the link below > http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:05 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Now that just made my day.? Thanks I needed that.? Been short > a man since > last Thursday & it seems that all my customers are coming in > all at once. > Here's the kicker. I have new competition just 2 blocks > away.?? When I first > arrived here there was no one?in my immediate area.? Now > there is two.? LOL? > Once again I needed that. > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Weinfurter > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Sent: Wed, 21 May 2008 3:54 pm > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? > ? > Yup, I agree with you entirely!? > ? > Our new name as of tomorrow is:? > ? > Press, Copy, Spiral, Vinyl, Banner, Folding, Collating, > Stapling, Flyers, > Tickets, Brochures, Fax, Carbonless . . . . EXPRESS. ? > ? > I just wish one word could encompass all of what we quick > printers do!? > ? > Greg? > ? > On May 21, 2008, at 2:43 PM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote:? > ? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? > >? > >? > >? > > In a message dated 5/21/2008 3:35:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? > > greg@pressexpress.org writes:? > >? > > Now the kicker, the copy project I saw was for camp up the > road from? > > my house. They are a client of mine. I do printing for them but? > > never got a chance to bid on this. Now for my next phone call . . .? > >? > >? > >? > >? > >? > > Greg I suspect you will get one of two answers when you > call the > camp: > (1)? > > "We didn't think you did small jobs like this and didn't > want to > bother > you. OR? > > (2) "We thought you only did printing since that is what your name > > is..."? > > Just another marketing challenge to overcome!? > >? > >? > > John Stewart? > > Q. P. Consulting, Inc.? > > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://> > www.printshopsforsale.net/)? > >? > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart? > >? > > 2110 S. Dairy Road? > > West Melbourne, FL 32904? > > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166? > > Cell: 321-794-6259? > > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/)? > > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize."? > >? > >? > >? > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch > "Cooking > > with? > > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.? > > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?> > NCID=aolfod00030000000002)? > > _______________________________________________? > > PrintOwners Discussion List? > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? > >? > >? > > --> This message has been scanned for viruses and? > > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is? > > believed to be clean.? > ? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? > ? > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database > version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) > Database version: 5.09520 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu May 22 09:57:04 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu May 22 09:57:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant In-Reply-To: <00b601c8bc10$a7e6d280$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <5EC89BDA-8C90-4B68-A014-E0734CD8B240@pressexpress.org> <8CA89A5C9B62757-15E0-27AD@webmail-md07.sysops.aol.com> <8CA89DA6392AB16-534-7A0@webmail-dd06.sysops.aol.com> <00b601c8bc10$a7e6d280$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <8CA8A2AD9A2EDAC-CC8-19C4@WEBMAIL-DG13.sim.aol.com> Hey Kelly.? I dont use the smileys.? Just this type : )? I've noticed when I use a question mark in my threads I get lots of those.? I check to see if I can alter the format. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Thu, 22 May 2008 9:35 am Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Tommy, In using AOL mail, are you also using the graphical "smileys" in your emails? If so, that is why we see all of the question marks, since all emails on this list come through in plain text formatting, not html. This is also the reason quite a few emails from others come through as attachments(html format instead of plain text). I think that if you try and remember that posts/replies to this list are plain text only, then you should refrain from inserting any graphics(smileys), and we will most likely not get any more "random" question marks in your posts. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:21 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > : )? sorry.? I've noticed that also > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Lake > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Sent: Wed, 21 May 2008 3:20 pm > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Just realized Tommy is the other one that I get question > marks in the email. > > > > Mark Lake > PIP Printing > 368 Jefferson Street > Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 > 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax > www.pipsturgeonbay.com > Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com > > To send a file to us, please use the link below > http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:05 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Now that just made my day.? Thanks I needed that.? Been short > a man since > last Thursday & it seems that all my customers are coming in > all at once. > Here's the kicker. I have new competition just 2 blocks > away.?? When I first > arrived here there was no one?in my immediate area.? Now > there is two.? LOL? > Once again I needed that. > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Weinfurter > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Sent: Wed, 21 May 2008 3:54 pm > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? > ? > Yup, I agree with you entirely!? > ? > Our new name as of tomorrow is:? > ? > Press, Copy, Spiral, Vinyl, Banner, Folding, Collating, > Stapling, Flyers, > Tickets, Brochures, Fax, Carbonless . . . . EXPRESS. ? > ? > I just wish one word could encompass all of what we quick > printers do!? > ? > Greg? > ? > On May 21, 2008, at 2:43 PM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote:? > ? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? > >? > >? > >? > > In a message dated 5/21/2008 3:35:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? > > greg@pressexpress.org writes:? > >? > > Now the kicker, the copy project I saw was for camp up the > road from? > > my house. They are a client of mine. I do printing for them but? > > never got a chance to bid on this. Now for my next phone call . . .? > >? > >? > >? > >? > >? > > Greg I suspect you will get one of two answers when you > call the > camp: > (1)? > > "We didn't think you did small jobs like this and didn't > want to > bother > you. OR? > > (2) "We thought you only did printing since that is what your name > > is..."? > > Just another marketing challenge to overcome!? > >? > >? > > John Stewart? > > Q. P. Consulting, Inc.? > > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://> > www.printshopsforsale.net/)? > >? > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart? > >? > > 2110 S. Dairy Road? > > West Melbourne, FL 32904? > > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166? > > Cell: 321-794-6259? > > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/)? > > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize."? > >? > >? > >? > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch > "Cooking > > with? > > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.? > > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?> > NCID=aolfod00030000000002)? > > _______________________________________________? > > PrintOwners Discussion List? > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? > >? > >? > > --> This message has been scanned for viruses and? > > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is? > > believed to be clean.? > ? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? > ? > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database > version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) > Database version: 5.09520 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From slb at inkspot.net Thu May 22 10:04:53 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu May 22 10:05:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] business card boxes Message-ID: <48354545.8993.1C9ECA4D@slb.inkspot.net> We used to buy Park Avenue hard business card boxes that were 3.5"x3.75"x2". Now, our supplier no longer carries the 3.75" boxes; they would like to sell us 4.75" boxes. I can understand using the longer boxes for 250 cards on 110# cover, but we frequently do ganged runs for some of our customers, where they want only 100 or 150 cards for a whole bunch of names. Anybody got a decent source for Park Avenue JX-694 boxes, or their equivalent? TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Thu May 22 10:06:00 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Harkins) Date: Thu May 22 10:06:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Office Max rant In-Reply-To: <8CA8A2AD9A2EDAC-CC8-19C4@WEBMAIL-DG13.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: On 5/22/08 8:57 AM, "Tommy Melendez" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hey Kelly.? I dont use the smileys.? Just this type : )? I've noticed when I > use a question mark in my threads I get lots of those.? I check to see if I > can alter the format. Hi Tommy, I also get a question mark after every period, except in this message where the last sentence didn't have one. Most of your posts have them. It is also a good idea to trim your posts before sending. This one had many messages trailing after. Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From barry at wolfprinting.com Thu May 22 10:31:54 2008 From: barry at wolfprinting.com (Barry Wolf) Date: Thu May 22 10:32:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] business card boxes In-Reply-To: <48354545.8993.1C9ECA4D@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <000201c8bc18$95c323d0$9000a8c0@wolf1> We are getting the Park Avenue boxes from Xpedx. Barry V. Wolf Wolf Printing, LLC 1200 Haines Road York, PA 17402 717-755-1560 717-840-0496 FAX barry@wolfprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:05 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] business card boxes ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We used to buy Park Avenue hard business card boxes that were 3.5"x3.75"x2". Now, our supplier no longer carries the 3.75" boxes; they would like to sell us 4.75" boxes. I can understand using the longer boxes for 250 cards on 110# cover, but we frequently do ganged runs for some of our customers, where they want only 100 or 150 cards for a whole bunch of names. Anybody got a decent source for Park Avenue JX-694 boxes, or their equivalent? TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Thu May 22 11:30:31 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu May 22 11:28:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Norton References: <77FDD1A50C1856408B95EB77DC87CF24084EBB@server2.printdept.office><048f01c8bb73$74517df0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <046a01c8bb76$e5bc7f50$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK><04ca01c8bb7b$39e6fcf0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <091c01c8bbbc$bac61a90$30524fb0$@com> Message-ID: <05e001c8bc20$c5834930$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > Before disputing it, have you tried calling Symantec and tell them you no > longer want the subscription? ====================== Did they call me? NO. Do they even have a telephone? Not that I know of. I sent them an email. Who is Symantec, I was talking about Norton. I guess Norton sold out, and there lies the problem. It's not really a big deal. I just thought I'd warn people about the automatic renewal which was a total surprise to me. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From sos at olympus.net Thu May 22 11:43:37 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu May 22 11:43:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] business card boxes References: <48354545.8993.1C9ECA4D@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <062201c8bc22$99e46050$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > We used to buy Park Avenue hard business card boxes that were > 3.5"x3.75"x2". Now, our supplier no longer carries the 3.75" boxes; > they would like to sell us 4.75" boxes. I can understand using the > longer boxes for 250 cards on 110# cover, but we frequently do ganged > runs for some of our customers, where they want only 100 or 150 cards > for a whole bunch of names. > > Anybody got a decent source for Park Avenue JX-694 boxes, or their > equivalent? =================== We use Prestige Boxes 1-800-221-6506 they don't seem to have a web page. Now that I look at their order form, they don't have that size either. We use the BC-1 3.75 x 2.25 x 1.75 (outside dimensions) for orders of 100 to 200 and 6 x 3.5 x 2 (inside dimensions for some reason or other) for larger amounts. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From kathy at mpcny.com Thu May 22 11:45:17 2008 From: kathy at mpcny.com (Kathy Henry) Date: Thu May 22 11:45:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Glue Dot attach pricing In-Reply-To: <05e001c8bc20$c5834930$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <77FDD1A50C1856408B95EB77DC87CF24084EBB@server2.printdept.office><048f01c8bb73$74517df0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <046a01c8bb76$e5bc7f50$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK><04ca01c8bb7b$39e6fcf0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <091c01c8bbbc$bac61a90$30524fb0$@com> <05e001c8bc20$c5834930$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <023901c8bc22$d56fe810$804fb830$@com> I am trying to get pricing on how much to charge to apply two glue dots (booger glue???removable) to the back of two gift cards, attach them to the card (hand), 208 cards x 2 cards x 2 dots. Anyone care to help with pricing? We do not have the glue gun, but are getting more and more requests for this type of service, so right now, we will do this by hand to get this order out. Thanks! Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower." Steve Jobs 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) From info at desktopsxm.com Thu May 22 11:58:22 2008 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Thu May 22 11:55:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] business card boxes In-Reply-To: <062201c8bc22$99e46050$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <48354545.8993.1C9ECA4D@slb.inkspot.net> <062201c8bc22$99e46050$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <78EA00CA-8EDB-45D2-9E12-1730EA7D3BB7@desktopsxm.com> try Aves clear products. website is www.avesclearproducts.com 1-800-783-2299 Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten Tel 542-4044 fax 543-1100 "The Printshop with a Difference" On May 22, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >> We used to buy Park Avenue hard business card boxes that were >> 3.5"x3.75"x2". Now, our supplier no longer carries the 3.75" boxes; >> they would like to sell us 4.75" boxes. I can understand using the >> longer boxes for 250 cards on 110# cover, but we frequently do ganged >> runs for some of our customers, where they want only 100 or 150 cards >> for a whole bunch of names. >> >> Anybody got a decent source for Park Avenue JX-694 boxes, or their >> equivalent? > =================== > > We use Prestige Boxes 1-800-221-6506 they don't seem to have a web > page. > Now that I look at their order form, they don't have that size > either. We use the BC-1 3.75 x 2.25 x 1.75 (outside dimensions) > for orders of 100 to 200 and 6 x 3.5 x 2 (inside dimensions for > some reason or other) for larger amounts. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu May 22 12:16:50 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu May 22 12:16:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Glue Dot attach pricing In-Reply-To: <023901c8bc22$d56fe810$804fb830$@com> References: <77FDD1A50C1856408B95EB77DC87CF24084EBB@server2.printdept.office> <048f01c8bb73$74517df0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <046a01c8bb76$e5bc7f50$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> <04ca01c8bb7b$39e6fcf0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <091c01c8bbbc$bac61a90$30524fb0$@com> <05e001c8bc20$c5834930$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <023901c8bc22$d56fe810$804fb830$@com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0805220916s2552b241hd62a2f094d978cbf@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Kathy Henry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am trying to get pricing on how much to charge to apply two glue dots > (booger glue???removable) to the back of two gift cards, attach them to the > card (hand), 208 cards x 2 cards x 2 dots. > > Just winging it, but on the low end I'd estimate the time and charge our > our hourly hand-work rate + a premium for the fact that there's a material > involved. But more likely, I'd come up with a market-priced piece rate, like > 50 or more cents per card ($208+). > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon From jacemeister at gmail.com Thu May 22 12:46:51 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Thu May 22 12:46:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Glue Dot attach pricing In-Reply-To: <023901c8bc22$d56fe810$804fb830$@com> References: <77FDD1A50C1856408B95EB77DC87CF24084EBB@server2.printdept.office> <048f01c8bb73$74517df0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <046a01c8bb76$e5bc7f50$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> <04ca01c8bb7b$39e6fcf0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <091c01c8bbbc$bac61a90$30524fb0$@com> <05e001c8bc20$c5834930$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <023901c8bc22$d56fe810$804fb830$@com> Message-ID: $25 makeready and 10? per dot plus the cost of materials. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Kathy Henry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am trying to get pricing on how much to charge to apply two glue dots > (booger glue???removable) to the back of two gift cards, attach them to the > card (hand), 208 cards x 2 cards x 2 dots. > > Anyone care to help with pricing? We do not have the glue gun, but are > getting more and more requests for this type of service, so right now, we > will do this by hand to get this order out. > > Thanks! > > Kathleen Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing > kathy@mpcny.com > > > "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower." > Steve Jobs > > > 125 East First Street > PO Box 815 > Oswego, NY 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 (fax) > (315) 532-0943 (cell) > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From brian at mousegraphics.com Thu May 22 13:13:01 2008 From: brian at mousegraphics.com (Brian Perkinson) Date: Thu May 22 13:13:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] NOD32 Message-ID: <4835A99D.1030700@mousegraphics.com> Has anyone noticed that the latest NOD32 update is giving lots of false warnings? Mine started today and has also made the system completely unstable. Trying to uninstall it remotely, but watch out. Apparently lots of users are really hurting after the last update. Brian -- Brian Perkinson Mousegraphics 1414 W 14th St Tempe, AZ 85281 480-894-1992 1-888-88 MOUSE brian@mousegraphics.com www.mousegraphics.com From slb at inkspot.net Thu May 22 14:01:02 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu May 22 14:01:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pocket folder source needed Message-ID: <48357C9E.26297.1D76FC69@slb.inkspot.net> In the past, we printed sheets for pocket folders on our KORD, and sent them out to be converted. We're contemplating selling the KORD, and I'm trying to figure out if we'd be better off sending out pocket folder orders that are too big for Digipockets. 1. Who's your favorite vendor for pocket folders? (We have done single and two-color folders, and foiled folders, and will probably also have to deal with 4-color folders, for which the KORD is clearly not the optimal solution.) 2. How big an order will you still do with Digipockets, before moving to the print-and-convert approach? TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu May 22 14:50:54 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Thu May 22 14:50:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] business card boxes In-Reply-To: <78EA00CA-8EDB-45D2-9E12-1730EA7D3BB7@desktopsxm.com> References: <48354545.8993.1C9ECA4D@slb.inkspot.net><062201c8bc22$99e46050$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <78EA00CA-8EDB-45D2-9E12-1730EA7D3BB7@desktopsxm.com> Message-ID: <015b01c8bc3c$c3a8d320$6401a8c0@coranew> I know it is tacky, but if one of my customers orders less than 250 cards, I just wrap a wide rubber band around them. I told them that the boxes cost too much to give them out on small orders. I MIGHT GIVE THEM THE FIRST ONE, BUT AFTER THAT, IT IS BANDS. No problems so far. They seem to understand and want the prices kept down I also give them to option of buying a box for $1.00 extra, but have never had anyone want one that bad Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From brianoday at eprint.us Thu May 22 15:09:14 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Thu May 22 15:12:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Just in from PIA In-Reply-To: <200805212009.m4LK9Z3N073970@i2bnetworks.com> References: <200805212009.m4LK9Z3N073970@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <013f01c8bc3f$539abaf0$800101df@eprint.local> We all need to pay for Bushes war! Or should we let our kids or someone else pay for it? Brian O'Day ePRINT 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland Oregon 97223 (503)684-267 Brianoday@eprint.us www.eprint.us -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:09 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Just in from PIA ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** No matter what your politics, bottom line, if you work your ass off, it all boils down to taxes. So check it out: General Tax Relief/Small Business Tax Issues The expiration of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts will mean that the next President will play a critical role in determining the nation's tax structure. All three candidates have released tax plans, and while Clinton and Obama's are very similar, McCain has called for a continuation of most relief and further rollback in some areas. Below is a comparison of just a few of the differences between the candidates. Current Law McCain Clinton/Obama Top Tax Rate 35% 35% 39.6% Capital Gains Rate 15% 15% 39.6% Death Tax 0% 15%/$10 mill 55%/$1 mill AMT Rate 28% 0% 28% Corporate Income Tax 35% 25% 35% S. _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From printian at gmail.com Thu May 22 15:30:15 2008 From: printian at gmail.com (Ian Franks) Date: Thu May 22 15:30:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] business card boxes In-Reply-To: <015b01c8bc3c$c3a8d320$6401a8c0@coranew> References: <48354545.8993.1C9ECA4D@slb.inkspot.net> <062201c8bc22$99e46050$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <78EA00CA-8EDB-45D2-9E12-1730EA7D3BB7@desktopsxm.com> <015b01c8bc3c$c3a8d320$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: Cora I am with you rubber band and shrinkwrap and it looks great. 2008/5/22 Cora : > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I know it is tacky, but if one of my customers orders less than 250 cards, > I > just wrap a wide rubber band around them. I told them that the boxes cost > too much to give them out on small orders. I MIGHT GIVE THEM THE FIRST ONE, > BUT AFTER THAT, IT IS BANDS. No problems so far. They seem to understand > and > want the prices kept down I also give them to option of buying a box for > $1.00 extra, but have never had anyone want one that bad > -- Regards Ian Franks Print Image 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo Johannesburg, South Africa Ph 011 447 3133 Fax 011 447 0642 sales@printimage.co.za www.printimage.co.za From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu May 22 15:51:58 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu May 22 15:52:08 2008 Subject: OFF Re: [PrintOwners] Just in from PIA Message-ID: In a message dated 5/22/2008 3:15:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brianoday@eprint.us writes: We all need to pay for Bushes war! Or should we let our kids or someone else pay for it? Funny how things have changed over the years. Up through Vietnam at least we had the draft. No it wasn't totally fair or equitable but at least in theory everyone (at least men/boys) were expected to serve two years if drafted. Now, we have relegated the task of fighting our wars to volunteers. It does strike me that it seems a bit easier to wave the flag, chant stupid slogans, and send kids off to fight questionable battles when it is someone else's kids rather than your own. What really galls me are the bubbas out there who say with a straight face, "Man, if we don't stop them terrorists over there, we'll have to fight them over here," as if they are going to grab their 12 gauge shotguns and head over to the beach to start firing as they row ashore! Forgotten this weekend by most Americans will be the men and women who have served this nation in times of both peace and turmoil. Many of course gave the ultimate sacrifice and died on the battlefield, in the jungle, a ditch or in a rice paddy. That's what Memorial Day is all about - to remember all of these fallen heroes. Personally, I can no longer visit the Vietnam War Memorial in Washington because even today, after more than 25 years, it brings tears to my eyes to see all those names etched in Marble and to realize what a God damned fiasco that war was and how lucky I was to only serve 11 months in that God forsaken country. Today I dropped my wife off at the airport and upon leaving I saw a sign on the side of the road that said, "Welcome home Veterans." Boy, you sure didn't see signs like that during Vietnam. Nobody welcomed me back, and I didn't really give a shit. You took your uniform off as quickly as you could and tried to blend in with the rest of the crowd, despite the fact you were one of the few if any with short hair. It's amazing how we continue to make the same mistakes year after year, war after war. Hell, that truly stupid blond bimbo that serves as the President's Press Secretary doesn't (or didn't until she was told later) what the Cuban Missile Crisis was all about, and you can damn sure bet she hasn't the faintest "f%^&&() idea what the Domino Theory was all about during the Vietnam era. If someone doesn't know about the Domino Theory, espoused on a daily and weekly basis to justify the war in Vietnam, then they surely don't have much ground upon which to stand to argue in support of this stupid war in Iraq. The next bubba who spouts off to me about the necessity of defending his/her country and fighting wars in far off lands and yet has never served in the military nor had to sacrifice someone in their immediate family is going to have me jumping down his throat. I'm just tired of folks who seem so willing to sacrifice the blood of someone else's children. I guess the pragmatist in me says that the only good news this weekend is that 5,000 dead soldiers is a lot better than 50,000 dead soldiers, and so long as one of those soldiers isn't your son, daughter or relative then you can spend the entire weekend at the lake drinking beer or wine and not really worry about how really screwed up this country is these days! Anyway, here's hat's off to those wonderful boys and girls (most really are just boys and girls) serving overseas, especially in Iraq and Afghanistan. While many were nothing more than boys and girls when they went, every single one of them will return as a man or woman with a lifetime of memories and nightmares that most Americans can't possibly even relate to. They are doing the best job they know how and that's the best that we can ask in these trying times. Sorry about the rant. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Thu May 22 15:55:18 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Thu May 22 15:55:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] business card boxes In-Reply-To: <015b01c8bc3c$c3a8d320$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: We just shrink wrap em. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Cora > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 13:50:54 -0500 > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] business card boxes > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I know it is tacky, but if one of my customers orders less than 250 cards, I > just wrap a wide rubber band around them. I told them that the boxes cost > too much to give them out on small orders. I MIGHT GIVE THEM THE FIRST ONE, > BUT AFTER THAT, IT IS BANDS. No problems so far. They seem to understand and > want the prices kept down I also give them to option of buying a box for > $1.00 extra, but have never had anyone want one that bad > > Class Act Printing and Foil > 5801 W. Juno Street > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > (316) 522-0733 > cpurvine1@cox.net > Microsoft Service Provider > Member NAQP > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From hal at pickimp.com Thu May 22 16:07:30 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Thu May 22 16:03:42 2008 Subject: [SPAM]IMP RE: [PrintOwners] business card boxes References: <48354545.8993.1C9ECA4D@slb.inkspot.net><062201c8bc22$99e46050$6900a8c0@DANIEL><78EA00CA-8EDB-45D2-9E12-1730EA7D3BB7@desktopsxm.com> <015b01c8bc3c$c3a8d320$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <002301c8bc47$7964acc0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> > Raise your prices $2.50 and give them all a box. Hal From printer at sbcglobal.net Thu May 22 16:09:55 2008 From: printer at sbcglobal.net (Don Black) Date: Thu May 22 16:10:05 2008 Subject: OFF Re: [PrintOwners] Just in from PIA Message-ID: <225459.40776.qm@web81103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sorry, my mistake, I thought this was a printing forum. ? Don Black Sprekelmeyer Printing Ardmore, Oklahoma www.PrintArdmore.com ----- Original Message ---- > From: "QKCONSULT@aol.com" > To: printowners@printweb.org > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 2:51:58 PM > Subject: OFF Re: [PrintOwners] Just in from PIA > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > In a message dated 5/22/2008 3:15:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? > brianoday@eprint.us writes: > > We all? need to pay for Bushes war! Or should we let our kids or someone else > pay? for it? > > > Funny how things have changed over the years. Up through Vietnam at least? we > had the draft. No it wasn't totally fair or equitable but at least in theory? > everyone (at least men/boys) were expected to serve two years if drafted. > Now,? we have relegated the task of fighting our wars to volunteers. It does > strike me? that it seems a bit easier to wave the flag, chant stupid slogans, > and > send kids? off to fight questionable battles when it is someone else's kids > rather than? your own. > > What really galls me are the bubbas out there who say with a straight face,? > "Man, if we don't stop them terrorists over there, we'll have to fight them > over? here," as if they are going to grab their 12 gauge shotguns and head over > to the? beach to start firing as they row ashore! > > Forgotten this weekend by most Americans will be the men and women who have? > served this nation in times of both peace and turmoil. Many of course gave the > ultimate sacrifice and died on the battlefield, in the jungle, a ditch or? > in a rice paddy. That's what Memorial Day is all about - to remember all of? > these fallen heroes. > > Personally, I can no longer visit the Vietnam War Memorial in Washington? > because even today, after more than 25 years, it brings tears to my eyes to see? > > all those names etched in Marble and to realize what a God damned fiasco that? > war was and how lucky I was to only serve 11 months in that God forsaken? > country. > > Today I dropped my wife off at the airport and upon leaving I saw a sign on? > the side of the road that said, "Welcome home Veterans." Boy, you sure didn't? > see signs like that during Vietnam. Nobody welcomed me back, and I didn't > really? give a shit. You took your uniform off as quickly as you could and tried > > to? blend in with the rest of the crowd, despite the fact you were one of the > few if? any with short hair. > > It's amazing how we continue to make the same mistakes year after year, war? > after war. Hell, that truly stupid blond bimbo that serves as the? President's > Press Secretary doesn't (or didn't until she was told later) what? the Cuban > Missile Crisis was all about, and you can damn sure bet she hasn't the? > faintest "f%^&&() idea what the Domino Theory was all about during the? Vietnam > era. > If someone doesn't know about the Domino Theory, espoused on a? daily and > weekly basis to justify the war in Vietnam, then they surely don't? have much > ground upon which to stand to argue in support of this stupid war in? Iraq. > > The next bubba who spouts off to me about the necessity of defending? his/her > country and fighting wars in far off lands and yet has never served in? the > military nor had to sacrifice someone in their immediate family is going to? > have me jumping down his throat. I'm just tired of folks who seem so willing to? > > sacrifice the blood of someone else's children. > > I guess the pragmatist in me says that the only good news this weekend? is > that 5,000 dead soldiers is a lot better than 50,000 dead soldiers, and so? long > > as one of those soldiers isn't your son, daughter or relative then you can? > spend the entire weekend at the lake drinking beer or wine and not really worry > about how really screwed up this country is these days! > > Anyway, here's hat's off to those wonderful boys and girls (most really are? > just boys and girls) serving overseas, especially in Iraq and Afghanistan. > While? many were nothing more than boys and girls when they went, every single > one? of them will return as a man or woman with a lifetime of memories and? > nightmares that most Americans can't possibly even relate to. They are doing > the? > best job they know how and that's the best that we can ask in these trying? > times. > > Sorry about the