From joe at calagaz.com Sat Mar 1 08:22:57 2008 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Sat Mar 1 08:24:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign Question Message-ID: I have the same problem after upgrading from CS2 to CS3 and ID files try to open with PhotoShop????? Joe Calagaz Calagaz Digital Printing joe@calagaz.com www.calagazprinting.com 251-478-0487 ________________________________ From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org on behalf of Dan Huntingford Sent: Fri 2/29/2008 5:43 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] InDesign Question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > I would check the extension of the image you are trying to open and then > right click it and look at what program is associated with that particular > file type. ID is taking its cue from the OS, so if you change it at the OS > level should be good to go in ID. =================== Oh, yeah, been there before. Photoshop is not in the list of programs. I can click browse and go to Photoshop, but it still doesn't appear on the list, nor can you select it. What am I doing wrong? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From brian at designotype.com Sat Mar 1 10:16:24 2008 From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen) Date: Sat Mar 1 09:15:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Update (Long) References: <015c01c87b39$d7c2cf80$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: <006501c87baf$36da7980$0300a8c0@Brian> Susan: Maybe you should have a meeting with your staff (or you already have?) and say something like this: "You know, things are tough around here lately and I've had to lay off a couple of you already in order to stay afloat. A business has to be profitable in order to stay in business and quite frankly, we are not right now, even though I've laid off 2 people.... I'm afraid that if business does not improve real soon we'll have to cut back even more. I love you all as people and you're great employees and it would break my heart to have to let anyone else go, but it might just come down to that. I was thinking, maybe you people have some ideas about how we can make this work to all of our benefit, let's have a brainstorming session." Your can brainstorm about: marketing, efficiency improvements sales by employees mentioning your business to their friends/relatives, referrals from existing customers getting testimonials from good customers cutting back/eliminating waste and excess inventory building customer loyalty finding your businesses REAL nitch or Unique Purchase Appeal and working on promoting that figuring out and promoting your most profitable repeat-type of press and copier work that does not require a lot of DTP or graphic design work each time it comes in. figuring out and promoting the kind of work that flows through your shop EASILY and QUICKLY These jobs will be your "strike zone", then be careful NOT to promote anything that does not lie in your strike zone. I guess this is all obvious stuff, I'm just rambling... Brian Helminen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Compton" To: Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 7:16 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Update (Long) > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dear Printowner Friends, > > What a few couple of weeks this has been. You might remember I wrote > several weeks ago about "low-ball" pricing on letterhead, envelopes and > business cards for our local university. I went over and spoke with the > woman who makes the decision on these types of things. I showed her a > page out of the most recent pricing survey for 2-color press work and > explained that we were losing money on the work. I had made up a new > pricing schedule for her giving her a 20% discount for the "volume" we > would be printing overall. She basically said, "So if you are charging > the same price as X down the street, then what incentive would we have to > send our printing to you." Mind you, we've had this relationship for > years, they send the artwork to us through our website, we deliver the > product to the different departments, etc. I suppose this should have > been a good time to differentiate my company from the other one but, > frankly, I am tired of playing games with them. So I told her, "I suppose > none, but at least we'd be playing on a level playing field." She said > she'd have to talk it over with her superiors. The next week, I got an > email from her saying that they felt that I had agreed to a contract of > the prices and that, since all the departments had made their budgets > based on this, they felt I should honor the contract until July 1. I > agreed that a contract is a contract and said I'd hold on as best I could. > Then I thought, "Come July 1, the prices are going to a normal price and > either we'll be making a lot more money or we will fire them as customers > which will, at least, mean we won't be losing any money, even though I may > have to restructure." > > Today, I let go one of my two graphic designers and one of my two bindery > persons. We are now down to eight (counting myself). Companies can make > it through a recession if they have enough capital to weather the storm. > However, I don't, and I'm really starting to feel the rain. A third > person may have to go, but I haven't convinced myself yet. There are tough > days ahead and tough decisions to make. I know in my head I am making the > right decisions, but my heart is aching. Somehow, when I started all > this, I was idealistic enough to think that I would never look at my > employees as dollar signs. From gamble at choiceonemail.com Sat Mar 1 09:41:24 2008 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Sat Mar 1 09:41:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Update (Long) In-Reply-To: <006501c87baf$36da7980$0300a8c0@Brian> References: <015c01c87b39$d7c2cf80$8302a8c0@Robbin> <006501c87baf$36da7980$0300a8c0@Brian> Message-ID: <014101c87baa$5352c810$0301a8c0@RICK> Susan, I feel your pain as we also have lost many very talented people due to business fall offs. And Brain I agree with most of what you said on the brain storming idea. As far as the university you deal with, we had the same situation with a County Government office we did work for quoted at payment in 30 days at 2%, usually paid in 90 and took 3%. As I am sure you can imagine arguing with city hall is a losing battle and it was just that after 4 months in the contract I received an order and went and seen the person whom generated the purchase order and told them the terms are never agreed to. The response I received to this day still gets me in the gut, " If you don't want the work others are calling daily for it", I left with job under arm and came back to the office at which time I took the powers to be and asked them to give me a list of pros and cons on the jobs, i.e. Set right. Laid out right, press issues, cutting, delivery issues. After reviewing the list I realized all I was doing was taking the money from my right pocket and putting it in my left with nothing left over or gained. Next morning I returned with job under arm and a copy of the contract and seen the contract officers boss who gave me the same company line, I turned over the artwork for the job received and a copy of over due bills and left firing the customer. Long story short I received payment and the customer found out just how few in the area wanted the work they sent and wound up with a 2 yr contract and payment at 30 days or production stops. Sorry for long post, now off to the New building have to do a drawing for town to approve changes in building and get myself moved by April 1st. Have a great weekend Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brian Helminen Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 10:16 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Update (Long) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Susan: Maybe you should have a meeting with your staff (or you already have?) and say something like this: "You know, things are tough around here lately and I've had to lay off a couple of you already in order to stay afloat. A business has to be profitable in order to stay in business and quite frankly, we are not right now, even though I've laid off 2 people.... I'm afraid that if business does not improve real soon we'll have to cut back even more. I love you all as people and you're great employees and it would break my heart to have to let anyone else go, but it might just come down to that. I was thinking, maybe you people have some ideas about how we can make this work to all of our benefit, let's have a brainstorming session." Your can brainstorm about: marketing, efficiency improvements sales by employees mentioning your business to their friends/relatives, referrals from existing customers getting testimonials from good customers cutting back/eliminating waste and excess inventory building customer loyalty finding your businesses REAL nitch or Unique Purchase Appeal and working on promoting that figuring out and promoting your most profitable repeat-type of press and copier work that does not require a lot of DTP or graphic design work each time it comes in. figuring out and promoting the kind of work that flows through your shop EASILY and QUICKLY These jobs will be your "strike zone", then be careful NOT to promote anything that does not lie in your strike zone. I guess this is all obvious stuff, I'm just rambling... Brian Helminen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Compton" To: Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 7:16 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Update (Long) > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dear Printowner Friends, > > What a few couple of weeks this has been. You might remember I wrote > several weeks ago about "low-ball" pricing on letterhead, envelopes and > business cards for our local university. I went over and spoke with the > woman who makes the decision on these types of things. I showed her a > page out of the most recent pricing survey for 2-color press work and > explained that we were losing money on the work. I had made up a new > pricing schedule for her giving her a 20% discount for the "volume" we > would be printing overall. She basically said, "So if you are charging > the same price as X down the street, then what incentive would we have to > send our printing to you." Mind you, we've had this relationship for > years, they send the artwork to us through our website, we deliver the > product to the different departments, etc. I suppose this should have > been a good time to differentiate my company from the other one but, > frankly, I am tired of playing games with them. So I told her, "I suppose > none, but at least we'd be playing on a level playing field." She said > she'd have to talk it over with her superiors. The next week, I got an > email from her saying that they felt that I had agreed to a contract of > the prices and that, since all the departments had made their budgets > based on this, they felt I should honor the contract until July 1. I > agreed that a contract is a contract and said I'd hold on as best I could. > Then I thought, "Come July 1, the prices are going to a normal price and > either we'll be making a lot more money or we will fire them as customers > which will, at least, mean we won't be losing any money, even though I may > have to restructure." > > Today, I let go one of my two graphic designers and one of my two bindery > persons. We are now down to eight (counting myself). Companies can make > it through a recession if they have enough capital to weather the storm. > However, I don't, and I'm really starting to feel the rain. A third > person may have to go, but I haven't convinced myself yet. There are tough > days ahead and tough decisions to make. I know in my head I am making the > right decisions, but my heart is aching. Somehow, when I started all > this, I was idealistic enough to think that I would never look at my > employees as dollar signs. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Sat Mar 1 13:56:37 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Sat Mar 1 13:57:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign Question In-Reply-To: <000401c87b2c$d8c97d00$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <4607CD9D-7A0E-4137-B488-B51974A334E7@mac.com> <053c01c87b1a$a7408a10$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <200802292212.m1TMCgTe077592@i2bnetworks.com> <000401c87b2c$d8c97d00$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <200803011857.m21IvUQ4097800@i2bnetworks.com> You should be able to browse and select the program and it should change it at the OS level. This might help: http://tinyurl.com/ykssx7 Cora, it does not make a difference what program a file is created in, it matters what program is associated with a specific file extension on a specific workstation. On one workstation a Jpeg may open with Microsoft viewer, that very same file on another workstation may open in Photoshop because the OS on workstation 2 has the JPEG extension associated with Photoshop. Macs do it differently. S. At 03:43 PM 2/29/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >>I would check the extension of the image you are trying to open and >>then right click it and look at what program is associated with >>that particular file type. ID is taking its cue from the OS, so if >>you change it at the OS level should be good to go in ID. >=================== > >Oh, yeah, been there before. Photoshop is not in the list of >programs. I can click browse and go to Photoshop, but it still >doesn't appear on the list, nor can you select it. What am I doing wrong? > >Dan Huntingford >SOS Printing >2319 Washington Street >Port Townsend, WA 98368 >Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >sos@olympus.net >(360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2913 (20080301) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From cpurvine1 at cox.net Sat Mar 1 15:40:32 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Sat Mar 1 15:40:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign Question In-Reply-To: <200803011857.m21IvUQ4097800@i2bnetworks.com> References: <4607CD9D-7A0E-4137-B488-B51974A334E7@mac.com><053c01c87b1a$a7408a10$6900a8c0@DANIEL><200802292212.m1TMCgTe077592@i2bnetworks.com><000401c87b2c$d8c97d00$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <200803011857.m21IvUQ4097800@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <000501c87bdc$7e98e4f0$6501a8c0@corapurvine> Thanks Scott. Learned something new today. I appreciate it! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 12:57 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] InDesign Question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** You should be able to browse and select the program and it should change it at the OS level. This might help: http://tinyurl.com/ykssx7 Cora, it does not make a difference what program a file is created in, it matters what program is associated with a specific file extension on a specific workstation. On one workstation a Jpeg may open with Microsoft viewer, that very same file on another workstation may open in Photoshop because the OS on workstation 2 has the JPEG extension associated with Photoshop. Macs do it differently. S. At 03:43 PM 2/29/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >>I would check the extension of the image you are trying to open and >>then right click it and look at what program is associated with that >>particular file type. ID is taking its cue from the OS, so if you >>change it at the OS level should be good to go in ID. >=================== > >Oh, yeah, been there before. Photoshop is not in the list of programs. >I can click browse and go to Photoshop, but it still doesn't appear on >the list, nor can you select it. What am I doing wrong? > >Dan Huntingford >SOS Printing >2319 Washington Street >Port Townsend, WA 98368 >Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >sos@olympus.net >(360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2913 (20080301) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2913 (20080301) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From slb at inkspot.net Sat Mar 1 16:51:36 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Sat Mar 1 16:52:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] drill bits In-Reply-To: References: <056e01c87b26$40514220$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <47C98998.26642.420317E3@slb.inkspot.net> We have a hand-operated sharpener. It's really easy to see when you've ground off enough--you want to see a shiny (freshly cut) bevel all the way around the bit. It doesn't need to cover the whole face of the bevel (if it's grinding a slightly different angle than previously, you'll have to grind off quite a bit to achieve this)-- you just need a shiny edge all the way around at the tip of the bit. Rick's right--a couple of turns usually does it. Even so, you do eventually raise a burr around the outside, and you need to knock it off with a straight stone. You folks with multi-head drills have a separate problem--you need the drills to be matched in length, so they all bottom out at the same point. The best way to achieve this is to sharpen the bits as a set, gently and evenly, every time. Evening the lengths is a separate sharpening problem if/when you have to do it--you have to grind them all to the same lenth, first, and then regrind the bevel. Unless you understand metalworking a bit, you're probably better off sending them to a professional sharpening service if you have to even them up. YMMV, Steve > > In reference to the message sent by Dan Huntingford, on 2/29/08, at > 2:55 PM -0800: > > >You really don't want to sharpen the bits. You just hone the edge a > >bit. Lightly, gently. It sounds like you are way over sharpening. > >I have bought one, count 'em, one bit in all the years, eleven now, > >can you believe it, that I've been here. > > Same here, been using the same bit for many years. A old school tech > told me how to sharpen them. Place bit in the sharpener (challenge > brand bit sharpener), turn knob 2 or 3 twists, remove bit from > sharpener. Do not over sharpen, just give it 2 or 3 gentle twists in > clockwise direction. If you have the hand held sharpener it is the > same thing, just a few twists is all it takes. No need for massive > pressure or using any force, just lightly insert sharpener and twist. > -- > > Rick > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA > mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com > 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop > 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2913 (20080301) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Sat Mar 1 16:54:19 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Sat Mar 1 16:54:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox Docucolor 240 Message-ID: <000901c87be6$cdad2470$6501a8c0@corapurvine> Does anyone know if this will run gloss, how it does on card stock, including gloss and if it has fuser oil. Thanks a bunch, Cora. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From robin at protypeonline.com Sat Mar 1 17:10:47 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Sat Mar 1 17:10:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Update (Long) Message-ID: <7C58B2F7-D654-4D34-8C09-7538B3CF0CB3@protypeonline.com> Susan....hang in there! I like Brian's suggestion and...is there any chance one of the remaining employees might want to work part-time? Permanently or short-term? And, any chance one of these employees would like to go out and sell on a commission only basis? Just some thoughts. If you weren't a nice person and a good boss, then you would not find it so difficult to make these tough employee cuts. You inherited a mess when you purchased a business last year and it will a while for you to clean up the mess and make things right....but I'm confident it will happen...that you will make it happen. :) Robin p.s. when all else fails, have a glass of wine! :))) Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From robin at protypeonline.com Sat Mar 1 17:25:11 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Sat Mar 1 17:25:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] drill bits Message-ID: thanks everyone! NOW I get it! :))))) And, I may be one of the culprits creating bad drill bits -- it sure sounds like I have over-sharpened -- big time -- in the past. Will review all advice given with bindery and hopefully get a good sound understanding of the process and maintaing the bits. THANK YOU! :) Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From k_graham at hotmail.com Sat Mar 1 18:15:42 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Sat Mar 1 18:17:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox Docucolor 240 References: <000901c87be6$cdad2470$6501a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: Cora; Its a wonderful machine, we have a 250 with the corner stapler in Fort St. John and a 240 with no finisher in Dawson. I find no finisher to actually have less problems as sometimes the finisher has created a mark we've had to call service for. No problem with 100# cover stock printed 1 side from bypass, then ran a 2nd time through from Bypass. No fuser oil & even better are user replaceable drop in fuser - I kept the 1st one after it was damaged slightly to run the occasional envelope. No it doesn't do a good job on envelopes but I have done a few peel and seal ones this way. It tends to cause spider lines, your inkjet would be better. It has no problem with gloss but if you select a gloss paper you will be limited to 1 side printing (it is not rated for 2 side) However I select Heavy 1 setting, fill a tray with 11x17 face down and almost never have a jamb printing 2 side. We have the external RIP Fiery on each, though I would probably fly a 1000 miles to view a CREO next time. I'm not particularly complaining about the Fiery but they always seem to use a wimp processor and drives & included programs like Adobe Acrobat about 2 steps out of date as in Acrobat 6, it has hotfolders but they seem to limited in set-up. For instance this morning I had a batch of 24x36 pdf files a customer wanted fit to 11x17 some were landscape some were portrait. If sent via Adobe they automatically switch but seemingly if dropped into a hotfolder it has to be sent to either a landscape or portrait folder. Probably now I think of it I could have set the default Adobe to fit to 11x17 then right clicked on the group of files and printed Both our machines came with the image 1/8" short on 17" but they corrected it before I made payment. The 242, 252 are pretty much the same but with Acrobat 7 I have no experience with the internal Fiery, after the CPP500 debacle, Court summation due by Monday, I decided to stay away from Internal RIPs. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cora Purvine" To: Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 2:54 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox Docucolor 240 > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone know if this will run gloss, how it does on card stock, > including gloss and if it has fuser oil. > > Thanks a bunch, Cora. > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners > 5801 W. Juno Ave. > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 > cpurvine1@cox.net > www.ClassActPrinting.biz > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Sat Mar 1 18:57:33 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Sat Mar 1 18:55:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign Question In-Reply-To: <053c01c87b1a$a7408a10$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <4607CD9D-7A0E-4137-B488-B51974A334E7@mac.com> <053c01c87b1a$a7408a10$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <47C9ED6D.7030907@satx.rr.com> Here's what to do. Go to my computer, under tools select folder options, select the file types tab, ( I think that is what is is, I'm working from memory here) find each type of graphic extension you want to open with PS, (ie tiff, jpg, etc) and hit the change button. surf to the PS shortcut and change to it. Your problem is over. Cash donations welcomed ;-) Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > When I'm in InDesign on the PC and I want to edit a photo, if I right > click on it and click on Edit Graphic it will open in Windows Picture > and Fax viewer. I can't figure out any way to get it to open in > Photoshop. Anybody know how. > I edit photos in Acrobat all the time. But it lets you set Photoshop > as the editing program. InDesign doesn't seem to have any preference > for that, no mention of it in the help files, etc. > > Thanks if you can enlighten me. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cpurvine1 at cox.net Sat Mar 1 20:34:04 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Sat Mar 1 20:34:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox Docucolor 240 In-Reply-To: References: <000901c87be6$cdad2470$6501a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <000301c87c05$809d43d0$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Thanks for the info Ken!! We are doing a lot of glossy and this is one reason I was thinking about getting it. I have the Lanier LD425c right now and here lately I am getting streaks on lots of my sheets. I'm looking for a machine that can do the gloss. It doesn't have to be a speed demon, just reliable The machine I am looking at has a finisher and they want $20,000 for it. Xerox said they would service it for .08 color, any size, and .0125 for black and white, any size. I am spending twice that much now. .09 for each 8.5x11 and .012 for each B&W 8.5x11. I still owe $8,000 on this machine though. I'm just kicking it around. I am kind of thinking that in what I would save in click charges and scrap, I might be able to afford something a little better. I've talked to some on the list and they seem to think so too Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of k_graham@hotmail.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 5:16 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Xerox Docucolor 240 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Cora; Its a wonderful machine, we have a 250 with the corner stapler in Fort St. John and a 240 with no finisher in Dawson. I find no finisher to actually have less problems as sometimes the finisher has created a mark we've had to call service for. No problem with 100# cover stock printed 1 side from bypass, then ran a 2nd time through from Bypass. No fuser oil & even better are user replaceable drop in fuser - I kept the 1st one after it was damaged slightly to run the occasional envelope. No it doesn't do a good job on envelopes but I have done a few peel and seal ones this way. It tends to cause spider lines, your inkjet would be better. It has no problem with gloss but if you select a gloss paper you will be limited to 1 side printing (it is not rated for 2 side) However I select Heavy 1 setting, fill a tray with 11x17 face down and almost never have a jamb printing 2 side. We have the external RIP Fiery on each, though I would probably fly a 1000 miles to view a CREO next time. I'm not particularly complaining about the Fiery but they always seem to use a wimp processor and drives & included programs like Adobe Acrobat about 2 steps out of date as in Acrobat 6, it has hotfolders but they seem to limited in set-up. For instance this morning I had a batch of 24x36 pdf files a customer wanted fit to 11x17 some were landscape some were portrait. If sent via Adobe they automatically switch but seemingly if dropped into a hotfolder it has to be sent to either a landscape or portrait folder. Probably now I think of it I could have set the default Adobe to fit to 11x17 then right clicked on the group of files and printed Both our machines came with the image 1/8" short on 17" but they corrected it before I made payment. The 242, 252 are pretty much the same but with Acrobat 7 I have no experience with the internal Fiery, after the CPP500 debacle, Court summation due by Monday, I decided to stay away from Internal RIPs. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cora Purvine" To: Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 2:54 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox Docucolor 240 > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone know if this will run gloss, how it does on card stock, > including gloss and if it has fuser oil. > > Thanks a bunch, Cora. > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners > 5801 W. Juno Ave. > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 > cpurvine1@cox.net > www.ClassActPrinting.biz > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2913 (20080301) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From bill at mauiprintworks.com Sat Mar 1 23:24:56 2008 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Sat Mar 1 23:25:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox Docucolor 240 In-Reply-To: <000901c87be6$cdad2470$6501a8c0@corapurvine> References: <000901c87be6$cdad2470$6501a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: We have a Doc-240 with an internal fiery rip. It's been very reliable, runs Coated Cover very well ( no problem with 12pt. Kromekote ) A little too much wave on 80# coated text, we prefer running 100# coated text. We've been able to duplex coated text but haven't seen good front to back register duplexing 11x17. Running one side at a time we've been able to hold register pretty well. The static in coated text does pose feeding problems. ( doubles, triples, quadruples, 12 sheets in the fuser is a problem ) The Doc-12 we used to have held color very consistently. This 240 with the internal fiery rip has nice color but can vary quite a lot even from the beginning to end of a 1000 run. From what I've heard on this list I think I'd like to see how it does with a Creo rip on our next machine. Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793 bill@mauiprintworks.com 808-242-6634 On Mar 1, 2008, at 11:54 AM, Cora Purvine wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone know if this will run gloss, how it does on card stock, > including gloss and if it has fuser oil. > > Thanks a bunch, Cora. > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners > 5801 W. Juno Ave. > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 > cpurvine1@cox.net > www.ClassActPrinting.biz From cpurvine1 at cox.net Sat Mar 1 23:35:31 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Sat Mar 1 23:35:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox Docucolor 240 In-Reply-To: References: <000901c87be6$cdad2470$6501a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <000301c87c1e$d97ba000$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Thanks, Bill!!! I am sitting here at 10:30 at night waiting for a client to bring over the file for a funeral program that will be at 11 a.m. Monday. 500 programs on (4) 11x17 double-sided sheets with 2 color pages, all on Anodized Silver 80# text. They finally have it done, but now no one can get the disk open (floppy) so they can make a couple of last minute changes. I still have to scan the pictures and place them. This is for a preacher that passed and he is kind of an icon here in town. Been preaching for 42 years. Really a nice guy. Think I will go to bed and fight it tomorrow Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Maui Print Works Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 10:25 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Xerox Docucolor 240 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have a Doc-240 with an internal fiery rip. It's been very reliable, runs Coated Cover very well ( no problem with 12pt. Kromekote ) A little too much wave on 80# coated text, we prefer running 100# coated text. We've been able to duplex coated text but haven't seen good front to back register duplexing 11x17. Running one side at a time we've been able to hold register pretty well. The static in coated text does pose feeding problems. ( doubles, triples, quadruples, 12 sheets in the fuser is a problem ) The Doc-12 we used to have held color very consistently. This 240 with the internal fiery rip has nice color but can vary quite a lot even from the beginning to end of a 1000 run. From what I've heard on this list I think I'd like to see how it does with a Creo rip on our next machine. Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793 bill@mauiprintworks.com 808-242-6634 On Mar 1, 2008, at 11:54 AM, Cora Purvine wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone know if this will run gloss, how it does on card stock, > including gloss and if it has fuser oil. > > Thanks a bunch, Cora. > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners > 5801 W. Juno Ave. > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 > cpurvine1@cox.net > www.ClassActPrinting.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2913 (20080301) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From cpurvine1 at cox.net Sat Mar 1 23:49:41 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Sat Mar 1 23:49:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox Docucolor 240 In-Reply-To: References: <000901c87be6$cdad2470$6501a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <000401c87c20$d3f6e570$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Wonder why the color would vary so much. Do you think it has anything to do with humidity since you are having problems with static???? The 240 they have offered me does have the internal rip so guess I'd better check that out also. The machine I have now doesn't vary so much on color, but the blue sometimes looks purple and has lots of red in it like a ghost around the letters and sometimes a half sheet has streaks every .25" or so. sometimes red, sometimes blue, sometimes a rainbow of colors. This has just started recently. Now they say it is because I am running gloss. I've been running gloss for 2 years with hardly any problems at all??? They are now telling me that this machine will only get worse in the future. Sure gives me something to look forward to That is the reason I am thinking about switching, but I don't want to get into another problem machine either Thanks, Cora. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Maui Print Works Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 10:25 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Xerox Docucolor 240 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have a Doc-240 with an internal fiery rip. It's been very reliable, runs Coated Cover very well ( no problem with 12pt. Kromekote ) A little too much wave on 80# coated text, we prefer running 100# coated text. We've been able to duplex coated text but haven't seen good front to back register duplexing 11x17. Running one side at a time we've been able to hold register pretty well. The static in coated text does pose feeding problems. ( doubles, triples, quadruples, 12 sheets in the fuser is a problem ) The Doc-12 we used to have held color very consistently. This 240 with the internal fiery rip has nice color but can vary quite a lot even from the beginning to end of a 1000 run. From what I've heard on this list I think I'd like to see how it does with a Creo rip on our next machine. Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793 bill@mauiprintworks.com 808-242-6634 On Mar 1, 2008, at 11:54 AM, Cora Purvine wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone know if this will run gloss, how it does on card stock, > including gloss and if it has fuser oil. > > Thanks a bunch, Cora. > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners > 5801 W. Juno Ave. > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 > cpurvine1@cox.net > www.ClassActPrinting.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2913 (20080301) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From k_graham at hotmail.com Sun Mar 2 01:45:19 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Sun Mar 2 01:47:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox Docucolor 240 References: <000901c87be6$cdad2470$6501a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: > We have a Doc-240 with an internal fiery rip. It's been very reliable, > runs Coated Cover very well ( no problem with 12pt. Kromekote ) A little > too much wave on 80# coated text, we prefer running 100# coated text. > We've been able to duplex coated text but haven't seen good front to back > register duplexing 11x17. Running one side at a time we've been able to > hold register pretty well. The static in coated text does pose feeding > problems. ( doubles, triples, quadruples, 12 sheets in the fuser is a > problem Bill, have you been feeding from a tray? I do recall getting some doubles when feeding 80# coated 8.5x11 but not with 11x17. It is important to place paper out of the wrapper face down into the trays underneath. Also are you feeding with Heavy 1, alternatively I did run the last job on recycled setting out of tray 1 and duplexed and it still appeared hot enough. We have had the color hold extremely well, the only problem was when we did the Gradation adjust at copier with high brightness paper then the print would be too dark. Gradation adjust should be done with about 90 bright paper. We've been using the Xerox Supreme Gloss. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Sun Mar 2 13:46:49 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Sun Mar 2 13:47:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] John Stewart Message-ID: In a message dated 2/29/2008 12:29:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, owner@latsons.com writes: Hey John, F.Y.I. ; cannot access your web site. Have they not turned your power back on yet? Not sure when you tried it but it is up and running fine as of today. I am not aware that it was ever down.Try the link below. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt and myself. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From joe at calagaz.com Sun Mar 2 16:52:56 2008 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Sun Mar 2 16:54:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign Question Message-ID: I tried that and it did not work.....because ID was not listed as a program type and when I browsed for it and selected it it still did not work...... Joe Calagaz Calagaz Digital Printing joe@calagaz.com www.calagazprinting.com 251-478-0487 ________________________________ From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org on behalf of Dennis Ewing Sent: Sat 3/1/2008 5:57 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] InDesign Question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Here's what to do. Go to my computer, under tools select folder options, select the file types tab, ( I think that is what is is, I'm working from memory here) find each type of graphic extension you want to open with PS, (ie tiff, jpg, etc) and hit the change button. surf to the PS shortcut and change to it. Your problem is over. Cash donations welcomed ;-) Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > When I'm in InDesign on the PC and I want to edit a photo, if I right > click on it and click on Edit Graphic it will open in Windows Picture > and Fax viewer. I can't figure out any way to get it to open in > Photoshop. Anybody know how. > I edit photos in Acrobat all the time. But it lets you set Photoshop > as the editing program. InDesign doesn't seem to have any preference > for that, no mention of it in the help files, etc. > > Thanks if you can enlighten me. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au Sun Mar 2 17:33:31 2008 From: Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au (Harry Brelsford) Date: Sun Mar 2 17:33:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Word Letterhead for print and PDF email In-Reply-To: <007701c87ac6$b8290b30$6501a8c0@corapurvine> References: <007001c87a65$3f3ff1e0$6b00000a@domain1.local> <000e01c87a6f$9d088940$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> <007701c87ac6$b8290b30$6501a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: We need to create a letterhead in Word to print on preprinted stationery as well as email as a PDF. How can we set this up so that the customer can: 1) Print onto pre printed stationery (without printing the letterhead) 2) Then email the same document (as a PDF) showing the letterhead. We can set up in Word 2007 or 2003. Any help appreciated. Thanks Harry -- Harry Brelsford Varsity Graphics Shop 2 - 195 Varsity Parade Varsity Lakes QLD 4227 Australia Ph: 61 7 5575 9417 Fax: 61 7 5575 8091 Harry@VarsityGraphics.com.au From chris at illinoisprintingservices.com Sun Mar 2 18:22:50 2008 From: chris at illinoisprintingservices.com (Chris) Date: Sun Mar 2 18:22:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Word Letterhead for print and PDF email References: <007001c87a65$3f3ff1e0$6b00000a@domain1.local><000e01c87a6f$9d088940$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net><007701c87ac6$b8290b30$6501a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <001801c87cbc$563ec7f0$6b00a8c0@ipsmachine> Harry I think word has templates that will show the outlines of the letterhead. chris Chris Eckel Vice President Illinois Printing Services, Inc. P. O. Box 106 Sullivan, Illinois 61951 217.728.2786 FAX 728.2998 Cell 412-5051 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Brelsford" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 4:33 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Word Letterhead for print and PDF email > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > We need to create a letterhead in Word to print on preprinted stationery > as well as email as a PDF. > > How can we set this up so that the customer can: > > 1) Print onto pre printed stationery (without printing the letterhead) > > 2) Then email the same document (as a PDF) showing the letterhead. > > We can set up in Word 2007 or 2003. > > Any help appreciated. > > Thanks > > Harry > > > -- > Harry Brelsford > > Varsity Graphics > Shop 2 - 195 Varsity Parade > Varsity Lakes QLD 4227 > Australia > Ph: 61 7 5575 9417 > Fax: 61 7 5575 8091 > Harry@VarsityGraphics.com.au > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From rstor at copycats.com Mon Mar 3 09:00:50 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Mon Mar 3 09:08:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Update (Long) In-Reply-To: <006501c87baf$36da7980$0300a8c0@Brian> References: <015c01c87b39$d7c2cf80$8302a8c0@Robbin> <006501c87baf$36da7980$0300a8c0@Brian> Message-ID: <47CC0492.9070301@copycats.com> Susan, The most demoralizing thing for your employees is the uncertainty about keeping their jobs. I think the worst thing you can do is to tell them that there may be further cuts. In the past, when we have had lay-offs, we decided how many and, after we spoke with the affected individuals, we had a meet with everyone where we said, this is it. It's not really the position in which you find yourself, but I would not have a sit-down where I said anything about additional cut-backs. You'll find that you best employees will start looking for other jobs. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Brian Helminen wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Susan: > > Maybe you should have a meeting with your staff (or you already have?) > and say something like this: > "You know, things are tough around here lately and I've had to lay off > a couple of you already in order to stay afloat. A business has to be > profitable in order to stay in business and quite frankly, we are not > right now, even though I've laid off 2 people.... I'm afraid that if > business does not improve real soon we'll have to cut back even more. > I love you all as people and you're great employees and it would break > my heart to have to let anyone else go, but it might just come down to > that. > I was thinking, maybe you people have some ideas about how we can make > this work to all of our benefit, let's have a brainstorming session." > Your can brainstorm about: > marketing, > efficiency improvements > sales by employees mentioning your business to their > friends/relatives, referrals from existing customers > getting testimonials from good customers > cutting back/eliminating waste and excess inventory > building customer loyalty > finding your businesses REAL nitch or Unique Purchase Appeal and > working on promoting that > figuring out and promoting your most profitable repeat-type of press > and copier work that does not require a lot of DTP or graphic design > work each time it comes in. > figuring out and promoting the kind of work that flows through your > shop EASILY and QUICKLY > These jobs will be your "strike zone", then be careful NOT to promote > anything that does not lie in your strike zone. > I guess this is all obvious stuff, I'm just rambling... > > Brian Helminen > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Compton" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 7:16 PM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Update (Long) > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Dear Printowner Friends, >> >> What a few couple of weeks this has been. You might remember I wrote >> several weeks ago about "low-ball" pricing on letterhead, envelopes >> and business cards for our local university. I went over and spoke >> with the woman who makes the decision on these types of things. I >> showed her a page out of the most recent pricing survey for 2-color >> press work and explained that we were losing money on the work. I >> had made up a new pricing schedule for her giving her a 20% discount >> for the "volume" we would be printing overall. She basically said, >> "So if you are charging the same price as X down the street, then >> what incentive would we have to send our printing to you." Mind you, >> we've had this relationship for years, they send the artwork to us >> through our website, we deliver the product to the different >> departments, etc. I suppose this should have been a good time to >> differentiate my company from the other one but, frankly, I am tired >> of playing games with them. So I told her, "I suppose none, but at >> least we'd be playing on a level playing field." She said she'd have >> to talk it over with her superiors. The next week, I got an email >> from her saying that they felt that I had agreed to a contract of the >> prices and that, since all the departments had made their budgets >> based on this, they felt I should honor the contract until July 1. >> I agreed that a contract is a contract and said I'd hold on as best I >> could. Then I thought, "Come July 1, the prices are going to a normal >> price and either we'll be making a lot more money or we will fire >> them as customers which will, at least, mean we won't be losing any >> money, even though I may have to restructure." >> >> Today, I let go one of my two graphic designers and one of my two >> bindery persons. We are now down to eight (counting myself). >> Companies can make it through a recession if they have enough capital >> to weather the storm. However, I don't, and I'm really starting to >> feel the rain. A third person may have to go, but I haven't >> convinced myself yet. There are tough days ahead and tough decisions >> to make. I know in my head I am making the right decisions, but my >> heart is aching. Somehow, when I started all this, I was idealistic >> enough to think that I would never look at my employees as dollar signs. > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From priorityprinting at comcast.net Mon Mar 3 09:10:19 2008 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Mon Mar 3 09:10:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge Message-ID: <030320081410.8330.47CC06CB0009A40A0000208A22007636920902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Our minimum typesetting charge is currently $5.00 if we just make simple changes to a file. I would like to know what other printers are charging. I have no idea if I am pricing correctly. Thanks. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 From joy at libertyprintgreen.com Mon Mar 3 09:19:34 2008 From: joy at libertyprintgreen.com (Joy Downing) Date: Mon Mar 3 09:19:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge References: <030320081410.8330.47CC06CB0009A40A0000208A22007636920902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <14d501c87d39$9b1631b0$1401a8c0@JOY2> We charge $18.75 minimum. We bill $75.00 an hour, billed in 15 minute increments. But it really is what your market will bear. Joy Downing Liberty Live Green. Print Green. Bowling Grenn, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 8:10 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Our minimum typesetting charge is currently $5.00 if we just make simple > changes to a file. I would like to know what other printers are charging. > I have no idea if I am pricing correctly. Thanks. > > Jeff Farber > Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. > 1323 E. Main Street > Flushing, MI 48433 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From armand at curryonline.com Mon Mar 3 09:22:31 2008 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Mon Mar 3 09:22:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge In-Reply-To: <030320081410.8330.47CC06CB0009A40A0000208A22007636920902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> References: <030320081410.8330.47CC06CB0009A40A0000208A22007636920902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <025c01c87d3a$04804730$0d80d590$@com> Wow, way too low. Our minimum is $17.50. What do you call "simple changes"? How long does it take to find the file, open it, make the changes, output the new image (whether to paper or plate), and save the file? Take that time and your hourly type rate and come up with a reasonably accurate minimum type charge. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing Auburn, ME 04210 armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of priorityprinting@comcast.net Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 9:10 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Our minimum typesetting charge is currently $5.00 if we just make simple changes to a file. I would like to know what other printers are charging. I have no idea if I am pricing correctly. Thanks. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Susan at cdandp.net Mon Mar 3 09:44:25 2008 From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton) Date: Mon Mar 3 09:45:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Update References: <015c01c87b39$d7c2cf80$8302a8c0@Robbin><006501c87baf$36da7980$0300a8c0@Brian> <47CC0492.9070301@copycats.com> Message-ID: <006501c87d3d$13c12040$8302a8c0@Robbin> Thanks everyone for the replies. There are excellent suggestions, and I will try all of them (except for the wine, Robin. I never developed a taste for it. How about a non-alcoholic Pina Colada or Strawberry Daquiri?). One of the saddest parts of this whole thing is that, except for a press operator who is 28 and a graphic designer who is 24, the next youngest employee here is 46. Not only that, but the older ones have never done anything other than work in a print shop. So, myself included (at 52), it would be very difficult for any of us (because of age and work experience) to find other jobs. Well, I just got word that someone wants to buy my Heidelberg MOZ, so my week is off to a better start. Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, VA 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Stor" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Update (Long) > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Susan, > > The most demoralizing thing for your employees is the uncertainty about > keeping their jobs. I think the worst thing you can do is to tell them > that there may be further cuts. In the past, when we have had lay-offs, we > decided how many and, after we spoke with the affected individuals, we had > a meet with everyone where we said, this is it. It's not really the > position in which you find yourself, but I would not have a sit-down where > I said anything about additional cut-backs. You'll find that you best > employees will start looking for other jobs. > > Regards, > Bob Stor > Copycats > New York, NY > 212-557-2111 x20 > www.copycats.com > > Brian Helminen wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Susan: >> >> Maybe you should have a meeting with your staff (or you already have?) >> and say something like this: >> "You know, things are tough around here lately and I've had to lay off a >> couple of you already in order to stay afloat. A business has to be >> profitable in order to stay in business and quite frankly, we are not >> right now, even though I've laid off 2 people.... I'm afraid that if >> business does not improve real soon we'll have to cut back even more. I >> love you all as people and you're great employees and it would break my >> heart to have to let anyone else go, but it might just come down to that. >> I was thinking, maybe you people have some ideas about how we can make >> this work to all of our benefit, let's have a brainstorming session." >> Your can brainstorm about: >> marketing, >> efficiency improvements >> sales by employees mentioning your business to their friends/relatives, >> referrals from existing customers >> getting testimonials from good customers >> cutting back/eliminating waste and excess inventory >> building customer loyalty >> finding your businesses REAL nitch or Unique Purchase Appeal and working >> on promoting that >> figuring out and promoting your most profitable repeat-type of press and >> copier work that does not require a lot of DTP or graphic design work >> each time it comes in. >> figuring out and promoting the kind of work that flows through your shop >> EASILY and QUICKLY >> These jobs will be your "strike zone", then be careful NOT to promote >> anything that does not lie in your strike zone. >> I guess this is all obvious stuff, I'm just rambling... >> >> Brian Helminen >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Compton" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 7:16 PM >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Update (Long) >> >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Dear Printowner Friends, >>> >>> What a few couple of weeks this has been. You might remember I wrote >>> several weeks ago about "low-ball" pricing on letterhead, envelopes and >>> business cards for our local university. I went over and spoke with the >>> woman who makes the decision on these types of things. I showed her a >>> page out of the most recent pricing survey for 2-color press work and >>> explained that we were losing money on the work. I had made up a new >>> pricing schedule for her giving her a 20% discount for the "volume" we >>> would be printing overall. She basically said, "So if you are charging >>> the same price as X down the street, then what incentive would we have >>> to send our printing to you." Mind you, we've had this relationship for >>> years, they send the artwork to us through our website, we deliver the >>> product to the different departments, etc. I suppose this should have >>> been a good time to differentiate my company from the other one but, >>> frankly, I am tired of playing games with them. So I told her, "I >>> suppose none, but at least we'd be playing on a level playing field." >>> She said she'd have to talk it over with her superiors. The next week, >>> I got an email from her saying that they felt that I had agreed to a >>> contract of the prices and that, since all the departments had made >>> their budgets based on this, they felt I should honor the contract >>> until July 1. I agreed that a contract is a contract and said I'd hold >>> on as best I could. Then I thought, "Come July 1, the prices are going >>> to a normal price and either we'll be making a lot more money or we will >>> fire them as customers which will, at least, mean we won't be losing any >>> money, even though I may have to restructure." >>> >>> Today, I let go one of my two graphic designers and one of my two >>> bindery persons. We are now down to eight (counting myself). Companies >>> can make it through a recession if they have enough capital to weather >>> the storm. However, I don't, and I'm really starting to feel the rain. >>> A third person may have to go, but I haven't convinced myself yet. There >>> are tough days ahead and tough decisions to make. I know in my head I >>> am making the right decisions, but my heart is aching. Somehow, when I >>> started all this, I was idealistic enough to think that I would never >>> look at my employees as dollar signs. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2917 (20080303) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From robin at protypeonline.com Mon Mar 3 09:45:56 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Mon Mar 3 09:46:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge Message-ID: <2178F144-5C38-4221-AECD-07DE33C67931@protypeonline.com> Jeff, $20 You can't afford to pay anyone, not even yourself, to open a file for $5 or to locate it on the server -- at $5 you are not making money to reinvest in the equipment and software or to cover labor expenses. But, if you keep your prices this low for long, I may have to consider sending work your way! Just teasing!!! :) Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From vern at fosterpress.com Mon Mar 3 09:56:18 2008 From: vern at fosterpress.com (Vern Foster) Date: Mon Mar 3 09:56:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge In-Reply-To: <2178F144-5C38-4221-AECD-07DE33C67931@protypeonline.com> References: <2178F144-5C38-4221-AECD-07DE33C67931@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <000e01c87d3e$bcddb570$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> $15 if creating a new file, $5 if it is a small change in an existing file. ======================================== Vern Foster ~ Foster Press ~ Lake Stevens, WA vern@fosterpress.com ~ 425-334-9317 ======================================== -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 6:46 AM To: printowners printowners Subject: RE:[PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Jeff, $20 You can't afford to pay anyone, not even yourself, to open a file for $5 or to locate it on the server -- at $5 you are not making money to reinvest in the equipment and software or to cover labor expenses. But, if you keep your prices this low for long, I may have to consider sending work your way! Just teasing!!! :) Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From k_graham at hotmail.com Mon Mar 3 09:55:57 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Mon Mar 3 09:58:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge References: <2178F144-5C38-4221-AECD-07DE33C67931@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: In that case what would you folks charge for a Resume typed, typically from a previous one done elsewhere but with additions. Ken Graham Community Printers.com Dawson Creek BC Canada 250-782-7108 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon Mar 3 10:04:59 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 3 10:05:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge Message-ID: In a message dated 3/3/2008 9:12:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, priorityprinting@comcast.net writes: Our minimum typesetting charge is currently $5.00 if we just make simple changes to a file. I would like to know what other printers are charging. I have no idea if I am pricing correctly. Thanks. The median industry DTP minimum is $20. The average is $23. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 10:07:25 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Mar 3 10:07:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge In-Reply-To: <030320081410.8330.47CC06CB0009A40A0000208A22007636920902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> References: <030320081410.8330.47CC06CB0009A40A0000208A22007636920902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0803030707x4a9035c4l23bb0ead4cfcec8a@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 9:10 AM, wrote: Our minimum typesetting charge is currently $5.00 if we just make simple changes to a file. I would like to know what other printers are charging. I have no idea if I am pricing correctly. Thanks. Waaay low, Jeff. It might be useful to think in terms of "units" of time. For small amounts of time I think in an old industrial unit of 6 minutes -- i.e. 10 units per hour. It's an easy way to estimate short time periods. Our type AND alteration charges are figured as a minimum of 2 "units, or 12 minutes each -- which I think is pretty realistic for the bare minimum (and I really do mean bare minimum; this doesn't buy a whole lot of type). At $90/hour, that an $18 minimum. This is not a "what the traffic will bear" issue, but a minimum for time actually spent. Think in terms of: taking instructions, communicating instructions, finding or opening a new file and setting it up, executing the instruction(s), printing it out, and proofing it (internally or externally). For five dollars? Why? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ========================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From bob at rjmprinting.com Mon Mar 3 10:11:06 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Mon Mar 3 10:11:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge In-Reply-To: <000e01c87d3e$bcddb570$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> Message-ID: $25 minimum typesetting $31.50 preflight charge I always find these discussions fruitless because it really depends on your overall pricing scheme. JMO. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Vern Foster Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 8:56 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** $15 if creating a new file, $5 if it is a small change in an existing file. ======================================== Vern Foster ~ Foster Press ~ Lake Stevens, WA vern@fosterpress.com ~ 425-334-9317 ======================================== -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 6:46 AM To: printowners printowners Subject: RE:[PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Jeff, $20 You can't afford to pay anyone, not even yourself, to open a file for $5 or to locate it on the server -- at $5 you are not making money to reinvest in the equipment and software or to cover labor expenses. But, if you keep your prices this low for long, I may have to consider sending work your way! Just teasing!!! :) Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jacemeister at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 10:13:08 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Mon Mar 3 10:13:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > > The median industry DTP minimum is $20. The average is $23. > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. http://www.quickconsultant.com/ I just looked up the link to refer him to your web site, John! There's so much information in these studies I can't understand why everyone wouldn't jump at a chance to participate. Anyway, to answer the question, we charge $90/hr with a $20 minimum. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Mon Mar 3 10:17:08 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Mon Mar 3 10:14:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47CC1674.9010800@satx.rr.com> NO NO NO! You want to change the file type to open with Photoshop. That way when you click the edit original on ID it will open in Photoshop. If you can't figure it out give me a call and I will walk you though it step by step. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Joe Calagaz wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > I tried that and it did not work.....because ID was not listed as a program type and when I browsed for it and selected it it still did not work...... > > > Joe Calagaz > Calagaz Digital Printing > joe@calagaz.com > www.calagazprinting.com > 251-478-0487 > > ________________________________ > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org on behalf of Dennis Ewing > Sent: Sat 3/1/2008 5:57 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] InDesign Question > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Here's what to do. Go to my computer, under tools select folder options, > select the file types tab, ( I think that is what is is, I'm working > from memory here) find each type of graphic extension you want to open > with PS, (ie tiff, jpg, etc) and hit the change button. surf to the PS > shortcut and change to it. Your problem is over. > > Cash donations welcomed ;-) > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > Ewing and Sons Printing > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > San Antonio, TX 78233 > dennisewing@satx.rr.com > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com > 210/650-5311 > 210/650-9916 Fax > > > > Dan Huntingford wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> When I'm in InDesign on the PC and I want to edit a photo, if I right >> click on it and click on Edit Graphic it will open in Windows Picture >> and Fax viewer. I can't figure out any way to get it to open in >> Photoshop. Anybody know how. >> I edit photos in Acrobat all the time. But it lets you set Photoshop >> as the editing program. InDesign doesn't seem to have any preference >> for that, no mention of it in the help files, etc. >> >> Thanks if you can enlighten me. >> >> Dan Huntingford >> SOS Printing >> 2319 Washington Street >> Port Townsend, WA 98368 >> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >> sos@olympus.net >> (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From kellycrom at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 10:16:27 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Mon Mar 3 10:16:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge In-Reply-To: <030320081410.8330.47CC06CB0009A40A0000208A22007636920902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> References: <030320081410.8330.47CC06CB0009A40A0000208A22007636920902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00b401c87d41$90063010$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Our initial minimum(first time on a project) is $36.00. Then, our minimum on additional customer changes is $11.00. Our hourly rate is $109/hr. About 85% of the work(prepress) we do hits the $36.00 minimum. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > priorityprinting@comcast.net > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 8:10 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Our minimum typesetting charge is currently $5.00 if we just > make simple changes to a file. I would like to know what > other printers are charging. I have no idea if I am pricing > correctly. Thanks. > > Jeff Farber > Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. > 1323 E. Main Street > Flushing, MI 48433 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon Mar 3 10:25:38 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 3 10:26:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge Message-ID: In a message dated 3/3/2008 10:13:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bob@rjmprinting.com writes: $25 minimum typesetting $31.50 preflight charge I always find these discussions fruitless because it really depends on your overall pricing scheme. JMO. I suspect it isn't fruitless for those who discover out of ignorance, intimidation or whatever that they are totally out of the ball park and only competing against themselves with prices as low as $5! I can't foresee and "pricing scheme" that would justify charging below costs, so I don't understand how you can say "it depends." John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From bjohnson at nemont.net Mon Mar 3 10:32:58 2008 From: bjohnson at nemont.net (bob johnson) Date: Mon Mar 3 10:33:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] MS Office 2008 Message-ID: I have been watching this with interest, as I need to get some sort of word processing program. I have a document that a customer brought in, but I had to open it up in OS 9.2.2 with Office something. It worked for that purpose, BUT I don't want to have to bounce back to OS 9.2.2 in order to this. I have downloaded Mariner and that did not do a very good job with it. Apple works did not do a very good job either. I was wondering if anybody has tried iWork 08, and what results they have. I guess it looks like I may have to buy Office 2008, but I hardly ever use it. What results has anyone had with iWork 08? Also, is there some way to translate Publilsher files that work good? Bob Johnson BJ's Printing From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Mon Mar 3 10:40:16 2008 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Mon Mar 3 10:40:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Update (Long) In-Reply-To: <015c01c87b39$d7c2cf80$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: Susan: I think the advice you've ben given is solid. Always have an answer ready though for the question (or it's many variants)' "Why should we do business with you?" Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying From dvmonto at optonline.net Mon Mar 3 10:41:52 2008 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Mon Mar 3 10:42:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge In-Reply-To: <2178F144-5C38-4221-AECD-07DE33C67931@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: Here is something I found amazing. I hired an ex Staples CSR last week. As I was explaining to her our pre-flight fee she said Staples does not charge a file fee. I asked her how they charge for prints from customer files. She said they just charge the rate for how many copies they want. When I asked her how much they charged for printing one print she said either .09 cents for B & W and .49 if color! Talk about a black hole!!! They are also not allowed to make any changes to customer files. They have to send it to their production facility in Massachusetts for any corrections. -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net -- "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 From bob at rjmprinting.com Mon Mar 3 10:48:40 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Mon Mar 3 10:48:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: John, Sorry it was a flippant answer. I was just trying to indicate that sometimes we get caught up in the pricing the components of the job and not the whole job. If you charge below costs in some areas but way above in other areas your pricing maybe within reason. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 9:26 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 3/3/2008 10:13:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bob@rjmprinting.com writes: $25 minimum typesetting $31.50 preflight charge I always find these discussions fruitless because it really depends on your overall pricing scheme. JMO. I suspect it isn't fruitless for those who discover out of ignorance, intimidation or whatever that they are totally out of the ball park and only competing against themselves with prices as low as $5! I can't foresee and "pricing scheme" that would justify charging below costs, so I don't understand how you can say "it depends." John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From joe at calagaz.com Mon Mar 3 11:10:45 2008 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Mon Mar 3 11:11:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign Question Message-ID: I am sorry I guess I have a similar problem not the same.... Mine is that when I try to open an ID file it tries to open it with photoshop....and I have tried to re associate the file type and it does not have ID listed as a choice? This is after upgrading from CS2 to CS3 Thanks Joe Calagaz Calagaz Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Ewing Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 9:17 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] InDesign Question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** NO NO NO! You want to change the file type to open with Photoshop. That way when you click the edit original on ID it will open in Photoshop. If you can't figure it out give me a call and I will walk you though it step by step. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Joe Calagaz wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > I tried that and it did not work.....because ID was not listed as a program type and when I browsed for it and selected it it still did not work...... > > > Joe Calagaz > Calagaz Digital Printing > joe@calagaz.com > www.calagazprinting.com > 251-478-0487 > > ________________________________ > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org on behalf of Dennis Ewing > Sent: Sat 3/1/2008 5:57 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] InDesign Question > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Here's what to do. Go to my computer, under tools select folder options, > select the file types tab, ( I think that is what is is, I'm working > from memory here) find each type of graphic extension you want to open > with PS, (ie tiff, jpg, etc) and hit the change button. surf to the PS > shortcut and change to it. Your problem is over. > > Cash donations welcomed ;-) > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > Ewing and Sons Printing > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > San Antonio, TX 78233 > dennisewing@satx.rr.com > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com > 210/650-5311 > 210/650-9916 Fax > > > > Dan Huntingford wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> When I'm in InDesign on the PC and I want to edit a photo, if I right >> click on it and click on Edit Graphic it will open in Windows Picture >> and Fax viewer. I can't figure out any way to get it to open in >> Photoshop. Anybody know how. >> I edit photos in Acrobat all the time. But it lets you set Photoshop >> as the editing program. InDesign doesn't seem to have any preference >> for that, no mention of it in the help files, etc. >> >> Thanks if you can enlighten me. >> >> Dan Huntingford >> SOS Printing >> 2319 Washington Street >> Port Townsend, WA 98368 >> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >> sos@olympus.net >> (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From si at ria.net Mon Mar 3 11:07:51 2008 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Mon Mar 3 11:15:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge In-Reply-To: References: <2178F144-5C38-4221-AECD-07DE33C67931@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <20080303080910.6E82AAC1@dm07.mta.everyone.net> At 10:41 AM 3/3/2008, David Monto wrote: >I hired an ex Staples CSR last week. As I was explaining to her our >pre-flight fee she said Staples does not charge a file fee. I asked her how >they charge for prints from customer files. She said they just charge the >rate for how many copies they want. Same situation here with OfficeMax ImPress (formerly CopyMax). No file or RIP fee in most cases. >They are also not allowed to make any changes to customer files. They have >to send it to their production facility in Massachusetts for any >corrections. While some file manipulation is done locally at OfficeMax, they are supposed to send all typesetting and layout work to a contractor in India. Doug Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Mon Mar 3 11:19:07 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Mon Mar 3 11:20:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47CC24FB.7090501@satx.rr.com> The go to my computer, under tools select file types, go to the INDD type, hit change and them browse. Browse to the IDCS 3 executable location and hit that it will fix it. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Joe Calagaz wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am sorry I guess I have a similar problem not the same.... > > Mine is that when I try to open an ID file it tries to open it with > photoshop....and I have tried to re associate the file type and it does > not have ID listed as a choice? > > This is after upgrading from CS2 to CS3 > > Thanks > > Joe Calagaz > Calagaz Printing > Mobile, AL 36606 > 251-478-0487 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Ewing > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 9:17 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] InDesign Question > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > NO NO NO! You want to change the file type to open with Photoshop. That > way when you click the edit original on ID it will open in Photoshop. If > > you can't figure it out give me a call and I will walk you though it > step by step. > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > Ewing and Sons Printing > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > San Antonio, TX 78233 > dennisewing@satx.rr.com > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com > 210/650-5311 > 210/650-9916 Fax > > > > Joe Calagaz wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> I tried that and it did not work.....because ID was not listed as a >> > program type and when I browsed for it and selected it it still did not > work...... > >> >> >> Joe Calagaz >> Calagaz Digital Printing >> joe@calagaz.com >> www.calagazprinting.com >> 251-478-0487 >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org on behalf of Dennis Ewing >> Sent: Sat 3/1/2008 5:57 PM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] InDesign Question >> >> >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Here's what to do. Go to my computer, under tools select folder >> > options, > >> select the file types tab, ( I think that is what is is, I'm working >> from memory here) find each type of graphic extension you want to open >> with PS, (ie tiff, jpg, etc) and hit the change button. surf to the PS >> shortcut and change to it. Your problem is over. >> >> Cash donations welcomed ;-) >> >> Dennis W. Ewing Sr >> Ewing and Sons Printing >> 12000 Crownpoint, #130 >> San Antonio, TX 78233 >> dennisewing@satx.rr.com >> ewingandsons@satx.rr.com >> 210/650-5311 >> 210/650-9916 Fax >> >> >> >> Dan Huntingford wrote: >> >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> When I'm in InDesign on the PC and I want to edit a photo, if I right >>> click on it and click on Edit Graphic it will open in Windows Picture >>> and Fax viewer. I can't figure out any way to get it to open in >>> Photoshop. Anybody know how. >>> I edit photos in Acrobat all the time. But it lets you set Photoshop >>> as the editing program. InDesign doesn't seem to have any preference >>> for that, no mention of it in the help files, etc. >>> >>> Thanks if you can enlighten me. >>> >>> Dan Huntingford >>> SOS Printing >>> 2319 Washington Street >>> Port Townsend, WA 98368 >>> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >>> sos@olympus.net >>> (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From brian at designotype.com Mon Mar 3 11:41:52 2008 From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen) Date: Mon Mar 3 11:41:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge References: <030320081410.8330.47CC06CB0009A40A0000208A22007636920902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <07a701c87d4d$7c2a7450$6a01a8c0@brianspc> We charge $18 now and thinking seriously about increasing it to 20 to 25. $5 is way too low. Brian Helminen Designotype Printers, Inc. 22950 Airpark Blvd. Calumet, MI 49913 906-482-2424 Fax 906-482-2266 www.designotype.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 9:10 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Our minimum typesetting charge is currently $5.00 if we just make simple > changes to a file. I would like to know what other printers are charging. > I have no idea if I am pricing correctly. Thanks. > > Jeff Farber > Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. > 1323 E. Main Street > Flushing, MI 48433 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message.\r\nhttp://www.avg-antivirus.net/ > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1308 - Release Date: 3/3/2008 > 10:01 AM > > From sos at olympus.net Mon Mar 3 11:23:24 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Mar 3 11:43:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign Question References: <4607CD9D-7A0E-4137-B488-B51974A334E7@mac.com><053c01c87b1a$a7408a10$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <47C9ED6D.7030907@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <00f101c87d4d$5df6fa80$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Ewing" > Here's what to do. Go to my computer, under tools select folder options, > select the file types tab, ( I think that is what is is, I'm working from > memory here) find each type of graphic extension you want to open with PS, > (ie tiff, jpg, etc) and hit the change button. surf to the PS shortcut and > change to it. Your problem is over. ======================== Nope. Did that. Selecting Photoshop doesn't work, but selecting the shortcut to Photoshop seemed to work, when you go to the list of file types, it has the Photoshop shortcut association, but when you click on a (for instance) JPG file it still opens in Fax viewer. Do you know how the list of programs is populated? Why does Dreamweaver show up in the list, but Photoshop, Illustrator do not? This is not a big deal by the way, I can always open the picture in photoshop, edit it, go back to InDesign, update the link, and go on. But it's a bit of a roundabout way of doing things in a "Suite" of programs that are supposed to work seamlessly together. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Mon Mar 3 11:44:20 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt) Date: Mon Mar 3 11:44:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] MS Office 2008 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 3/3/08 9:32 AM, "bob johnson" wrote: > What results has anyone had with iWork 08? Also, is there > some way to translate Publilsher files that work good? I don't use iWork at work - have always had a copy of Office floating around as I use Entourage to manage my email on the Mac. You can buy the "student/home" version of the program for $150 and it will do everything you need. However, I think it is hard to avoid having a PC around for Publisher and Office files. We do and it just makes life easier. In my opinion there are too many font conflicts and just the changes that happen when you go from one computer to another and especially from PC to Mac, not to have a PC in the office. Again you can pick up the home version for around $150 for those jobs. Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Mon Mar 3 11:54:37 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Mon Mar 3 11:55:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign Question In-Reply-To: <00f101c87d4d$5df6fa80$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <4607CD9D-7A0E-4137-B488-B51974A334E7@mac.com><053c01c87b1a$a7408a10$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <47C9ED6D.7030907@satx.rr.com> <00f101c87d4d$5df6fa80$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <47CC2D4D.3040704@satx.rr.com> If you did the custom install of the Suite (I'm not sure if it's the same in a typical install) you are given the chance to associate file types with Photoshop and DreamWeaver and AI. The list is populated based on whatever they wrote in Redmond, so anything MS will show up on the list and Adobe will be hit or miss. I am happy to walk anyone through making it work right if they want to give me a call. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Ewing" > > >> Here's what to do. Go to my computer, under tools select folder >> options, select the file types tab, ( I think that is what is is, I'm >> working from memory here) find each type of graphic extension you >> want to open with PS, (ie tiff, jpg, etc) and hit the change button. >> surf to the PS shortcut and change to it. Your problem is over. > ======================== > > Nope. Did that. Selecting Photoshop doesn't work, but selecting the > shortcut to Photoshop seemed to work, when you go to the list of file > types, it has the Photoshop shortcut association, but when you click > on a (for instance) JPG file it still opens in Fax viewer. > Do you know how the list of programs is populated? Why does > Dreamweaver show up in the list, but Photoshop, Illustrator do not? > This is not a big deal by the way, I can always open the picture in > photoshop, edit it, go back to InDesign, update the link, and go on. > But it's a bit of a roundabout way of doing things in a "Suite" of > programs that are supposed to work seamlessly together. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From sos at olympus.net Mon Mar 3 11:53:57 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Mar 3 11:56:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign Question References: <47CC24FB.7090501@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <010101c87d4f$2c1fd070$6900a8c0@DANIEL> >> NO NO NO! You want to change the file type to open with Photoshop. That >> way when you click the edit original on ID it will open in Photoshop. If ================== I've done that Dennis, or whoever knows about this stuff, but now when I double click on a JPG it tells me it is not a valid WIN32 application. In InDesign when you go to edit graphic, nothing at all happens now, so it knows not to use Windows Picture and Fax viewer anymore, but still won't open in PhotoshopCS3. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From priorityprinting at comcast.net Mon Mar 3 12:14:20 2008 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Mon Mar 3 12:14:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Typesetting Charge for Basic Business Card Message-ID: <030320081714.26911.47CC31EC000B29D10000691F22135396530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Wow, it appears I am way too low on minimum typesetting charges. We also will typeset a basic business card for $10. What are others charging? Our standard rate for typesetting is $60 per hour. However, we have had fixed charges for minimum typesetting and business cards. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 810 487-1700 From kellycrom at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 12:20:40 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Mon Mar 3 12:21:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Typesetting Charge for Basic Business Card In-Reply-To: <030320081714.26911.47CC31EC000B29D10000691F22135396530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> References: <030320081714.26911.47CC31EC000B29D10000691F22135396530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <010101c87d52$e98a89e0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Our minimum, no matter what type of job it is, is still $36.00. If a customer wants the "cheapest cards they can get" then we sell them a BCT card, that includes basic typesetting(BCT does it, not us). Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > priorityprinting@comcast.net > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 11:14 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Typesetting Charge for Basic Business Card > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Wow, it appears I am way too low on minimum typesetting > charges. We also will typeset a basic business card for $10. > What are others charging? Our standard rate for typesetting > is $60 per hour. However, we have had fixed charges for > minimum typesetting and business cards. > > Jeff Farber > Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. > 1323 E. Main Street > Flushing, MI 48433 > 810 487-1700 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From sos at olympus.net Mon Mar 3 12:21:25 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Mar 3 12:23:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign Question References: <47CC24FB.7090501@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <011601c87d53$024011d0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > The go to my computer, under tools select file types, go to the INDD type, > hit change and them browse. Browse to the IDCS 3 executable location and > hit that it will fix it. =============== Well, I've made some progress. Tiff files now open in Photoshop, but Jpeg files won't open, I still get the not a valid WIN32 file error message. When you go to the list of files types and select Tiff, Photoshop IS in the list of programs and you can select it, but when you select JPG, it is NOT in the list and browsing to the Photoshop.exe files has no effect. Selecting Shortcut to Photoshop.exe creates an association, but the files won't open. Again, not a big deal. But very curious behavior. I'm on a Windows XP Pro machine by the way. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From paul at dfwilliamson.com Mon Mar 3 12:22:40 2008 From: paul at dfwilliamson.com (Paul Marzello) Date: Mon Mar 3 12:25:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Update In-Reply-To: <006501c87d3d$13c12040$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: Susan, Whether you're 24 or 52, change is inevitable. You need to anticipate it, monitor it, and adapt to it. Don't sell your employees short - nor yourself for that matter. Sometimes change brings out the best in a person. People learn to evaluate their skill set and think of new (and sometimes better) ways to reposition or redefine themselves in the workforce. Recommended reading: "Who Moved My Cheese?" by Spencer Johnson This is a short read with a big message. Hope this helps. Paul D.F.Williamson Co. Inc. Legal Publishers Since 1870 Legal Forms & Supplies - Corporate Stationery 295 Main Street - Suite 116 Buffalo, NY 14203 Tel (716) 852-0026 Fax (716) 852-2849 Paul J. Marzello Managing Partner -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Susan Compton Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 9:44 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Update ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thanks everyone for the replies. There are excellent suggestions, and I will try all of them (except for the wine, Robin. I never developed a taste for it. How about a non-alcoholic Pina Colada or Strawberry Daquiri?). One of the saddest parts of this whole thing is that, except for a press operator who is 28 and a graphic designer who is 24, the next youngest employee here is 46. Not only that, but the older ones have never done anything other than work in a print shop. So, myself included (at 52), it would be very difficult for any of us (because of age and work experience) to find other jobs. Well, I just got word that someone wants to buy my Heidelberg MOZ, so my week is off to a better start. Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, VA 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Stor" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Update (Long) > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Susan, > > The most demoralizing thing for your employees is the uncertainty about > keeping their jobs. I think the worst thing you can do is to tell them > that there may be further cuts. In the past, when we have had lay-offs, we > decided how many and, after we spoke with the affected individuals, we had > a meet with everyone where we said, this is it. It's not really the > position in which you find yourself, but I would not have a sit-down where > I said anything about additional cut-backs. You'll find that you best > employees will start looking for other jobs. > > Regards, > Bob Stor > Copycats > New York, NY > 212-557-2111 x20 > www.copycats.com > > Brian Helminen wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Susan: >> >> Maybe you should have a meeting with your staff (or you already have?) >> and say something like this: >> "You know, things are tough around here lately and I've had to lay off a >> couple of you already in order to stay afloat. A business has to be >> profitable in order to stay in business and quite frankly, we are not >> right now, even though I've laid off 2 people.... I'm afraid that if >> business does not improve real soon we'll have to cut back even more. I >> love you all as people and you're great employees and it would break my >> heart to have to let anyone else go, but it might just come down to that. >> I was thinking, maybe you people have some ideas about how we can make >> this work to all of our benefit, let's have a brainstorming session." >> Your can brainstorm about: >> marketing, >> efficiency improvements >> sales by employees mentioning your business to their friends/relatives, >> referrals from existing customers >> getting testimonials from good customers >> cutting back/eliminating waste and excess inventory >> building customer loyalty >> finding your businesses REAL nitch or Unique Purchase Appeal and working >> on promoting that >> figuring out and promoting your most profitable repeat-type of press and >> copier work that does not require a lot of DTP or graphic design work >> each time it comes in. >> figuring out and promoting the kind of work that flows through your shop >> EASILY and QUICKLY >> These jobs will be your "strike zone", then be careful NOT to promote >> anything that does not lie in your strike zone. >> I guess this is all obvious stuff, I'm just rambling... >> >> Brian Helminen >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Compton" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 7:16 PM >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Update (Long) >> >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Dear Printowner Friends, >>> >>> What a few couple of weeks this has been. You might remember I wrote >>> several weeks ago about "low-ball" pricing on letterhead, envelopes and >>> business cards for our local university. I went over and spoke with the >>> woman who makes the decision on these types of things. I showed her a >>> page out of the most recent pricing survey for 2-color press work and >>> explained that we were losing money on the work. I had made up a new >>> pricing schedule for her giving her a 20% discount for the "volume" we >>> would be printing overall. She basically said, "So if you are charging >>> the same price as X down the street, then what incentive would we have >>> to send our printing to you." Mind you, we've had this relationship for >>> years, they send the artwork to us through our website, we deliver the >>> product to the different departments, etc. I suppose this should have >>> been a good time to differentiate my company from the other one but, >>> frankly, I am tired of playing games with them. So I told her, "I >>> suppose none, but at least we'd be playing on a level playing field." >>> She said she'd have to talk it over with her superiors. The next week, >>> I got an email from her saying that they felt that I had agreed to a >>> contract of the prices and that, since all the departments had made >>> their budgets based on this, they felt I should honor the contract >>> until July 1. I agreed that a contract is a contract and said I'd hold >>> on as best I could. Then I thought, "Come July 1, the prices are going >>> to a normal price and either we'll be making a lot more money or we will >>> fire them as customers which will, at least, mean we won't be losing any >>> money, even though I may have to restructure." >>> >>> Today, I let go one of my two graphic designers and one of my two >>> bindery persons. We are now down to eight (counting myself). Companies >>> can make it through a recession if they have enough capital to weather >>> the storm. However, I don't, and I'm really starting to feel the rain. >>> A third person may have to go, but I haven't convinced myself yet. There >>> are tough days ahead and tough decisions to make. I know in my head I >>> am making the right decisions, but my heart is aching. Somehow, when I >>> started all this, I was idealistic enough to think that I would never >>> look at my employees as dollar signs. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2917 (20080303) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1308 - Release Date: 3/3/2008 10:01 AM From nt at andrewsblueprint.com Mon Mar 3 12:46:38 2008 From: nt at andrewsblueprint.com (Nancy Thomsen) Date: Mon Mar 3 12:46:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge In-Reply-To: <030320081410.8330.47CC06CB0009A40A0000208A2200763692090207 9B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> References: <030320081410.8330.47CC06CB0009A40A0000208A22007636920902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20080303174646.04EBBE5630A@rb.enter.net> I charge $10.50 for graphics for every reorder with no changes. This covers time to write up the order and to find the file. Takes a real bit out of the black hole. Nancy At 06:10 AM 3/3/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Our minimum typesetting charge is currently $5.00 if we just make >simple changes to a file. I would like to know what other printers >are charging. I have no idea if I am pricing correctly. Thanks. > >Jeff Farber >Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. >1323 E. Main Street >Flushing, MI 48433 Nancy Thomsen Andrews Blueprint, Inc 269 Griffin St. Salinas, CA 93901 Phone: (831) 424-0331 www.andrewsblueprint.com From rmeier at goinsty.com Mon Mar 3 13:07:30 2008 From: rmeier at goinsty.com (R. Meier) Date: Mon Mar 3 13:07:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Special punch needed for menu holder In-Reply-To: <010101c87d52$e98a89e0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <030320081714.26911.47CC31EC000B29D10000691F22135396530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> <010101c87d52$e98a89e0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <47CC3E62.3090202@goinsty.com> I have a restaurant who would like us to make pages for this type of holder, but they don't want plastic sleeves, they'd like them punched. Does anyone know if a punch like this is available? http://www.ops-inc.net/menuroll_pricing.html Thanks, Rob Meier -- _____________________________ Rob Meier Insty-Prints 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-1959 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon Mar 3 13:12:18 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon Mar 3 13:13:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] If your thinking of buying a SNAP Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200803031813.m23IDDiG050747@i2bnetworks.com> There are a few on Ebay that will be expiring in about 3 hours that look like a pretty good deal. for a 2 TB model yielding 1.5Tb of RAID 5 storage http://tinyurl.com/2nuj6n There were three, I just bought one, now there are two. Brand new in the box about $1700 less than the best price I found out there through normal channels. They have some 1TB models as well yielding 750 GB or RAID 5 as well http://tinyurl.com/3xgwe6 These are Buy it Now pricing so no sniping needed. The 520 is expandable, a good thing. FWIW. S. _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From scott at printing-impressions.com Mon Mar 3 15:37:45 2008 From: scott at printing-impressions.com (K. Scott Schoppert) Date: Mon Mar 3 15:37:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Special punch needed for menu holder In-Reply-To: <47CC3E62.3090202@goinsty.com> Message-ID: <0dd901c87d6e$702a3cf0$c801a8c0@Scott> We have a die that we diecut them for restaurants Scott K. Scott Schoppert Printing Impressions 68 Reliance Road Martinsburg, WV 25403 (304) 267-7327 scott@printing-impressions.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of R. Meier > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 1:08 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Special punch needed for menu holder > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a restaurant who would like us to make pages for this type of > holder, but they don't want plastic sleeves, they'd like them > punched. > Does anyone know if a punch like this is available? > http://www.ops-inc.net/menuroll_pricing.html Thanks, Rob Meier -- _____________________________ Rob Meier Insty-Prints 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-1959 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2918 (20080303) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Mon Mar 3 15:48:50 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Mon Mar 3 15:49:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] drill bits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47CC6432.40103@sugarloafprint.com> I'm a little late on this I have a cone shaped, 600 grit, diamond hone that I purchased in a sporting goods store for about $10. Fisherman use this hone to sharpen fishing hooks. I hold the bit in one hand, the hone in the other, I insert the hone into the drill bit, twist both wrists 3 times. On a well maintained bit, the difference between dull and sharp is .002". If you are creating a burr, you are over sharpening. Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > thanks everyone! NOW I get it! :))))) > And, I may be one of the culprits creating bad drill bits -- it sure > sounds like I have over-sharpened -- big time -- in the past. > Will review all advice given with bindery and hopefully get a good > sound understanding of the process and maintaing the bits. > THANK YOU! > :) > Robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Mon Mar 3 16:00:11 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Mon Mar 3 16:01:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge In-Reply-To: <20080303174646.04EBBE5630A@rb.enter.net> References: <030320081410.8330.47CC06CB0009A40A0000208A22007636920902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> <20080303174646.04EBBE5630A@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: $15.72 minimum for changes and $25.76 minimum for new work. Billed by the minute based on about $75/hr. Amounts are odd because every 2 months I raise prices across the board by 1%. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Our minimum typesetting charge is currently $5.00 if we just make >simple changes to a file. I would like to know what other printers are >charging. I have no idea if I am pricing correctly. Thanks. E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09320 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From david at commercialpressink.com Mon Mar 3 16:19:22 2008 From: david at commercialpressink.com (David Charleson) Date: Mon Mar 3 16:13:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Office 2008 Message-ID: I have downloaded something called neo office...seems to open office documents in OS X very well. can download free @ www.neooffice.org. David Charleson President Commercial Press Inc. 216 Cowan Rd Canton NY 13617 P 315-386-3431 david@commercialpressink.com www.commercialpressink.com From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Mon Mar 3 16:12:34 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Mon Mar 3 16:13:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge In-Reply-To: References: <2178F144-5C38-4221-AECD-07DE33C67931@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <002901c87d73$4cff2600$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> I believe in charging as much as I can but isn't it so much easier to print from a digital file than hard copy? I never heard of anyone anything to print from hard copy. I'm talking digital output here of course. Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of David Monto Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:42 AM To: Printowners Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Here is something I found amazing. I hired an ex Staples CSR last week. As I was explaining to her our pre-flight fee she said Staples does not charge a file fee. I asked her how they charge for prints from customer files. She said they just charge the rate for how many copies they want. When I asked her how much they charged for printing one print she said either .09 cents for B & W and .49 if color! Talk about a black hole!!! They are also not allowed to make any changes to customer files. They have to send it to their production facility in Massachusetts for any corrections. -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net -- "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From joe at calagaz.com Mon Mar 3 16:20:14 2008 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Mon Mar 3 16:20:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rosback 220A Message-ID: I have the opportunity to buy a old rosback 220A for about $1500 delivered.... Is that a fair price and does the unit do a good job? Will it do a microperf I really have no slitter or perfing device right now.... Joe Calagaz Calagaz Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 From mike at arborprinting.com Mon Mar 3 16:32:01 2008 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Mon Mar 3 16:34:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rosback 220A References: Message-ID: <021301c87d76$04b43130$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Air or friction? Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com mike@arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Calagaz" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" ; Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Rosback 220A ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have the opportunity to buy a old rosback 220A for about $1500 delivered.... Is that a fair price and does the unit do a good job? Will it do a microperf I really have no slitter or perfing device right now.... Joe Calagaz Calagaz Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From joe at calagaz.com Mon Mar 3 16:38:02 2008 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Mon Mar 3 16:38:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rosback 220A Message-ID: Friction Joe Calagaz Calagaz Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mike@arborprinting.com Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 3:32 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Rosback 220A ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Air or friction? Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com mike@arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Calagaz" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" ; Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Rosback 220A ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have the opportunity to buy a old rosback 220A for about $1500 delivered.... Is that a fair price and does the unit do a good job? Will it do a microperf I really have no slitter or perfing device right now.... Joe Calagaz Calagaz Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From armand at curryonline.com Mon Mar 3 16:46:26 2008 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Mon Mar 3 16:46:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge In-Reply-To: <002901c87d73$4cff2600$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> References: <2178F144-5C38-4221-AECD-07DE33C67931@protypeonline.com> <002901c87d73$4cff2600$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: <035801c87d78$087d5c40$197814c0$@com> There should be no connection between the difficulty of a task and how much to charge for it. Just because it is easier to print from a digital file doesn't much we should charge less for the service. It's all about the perceived value. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing Auburn, ME 04210 armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gordon Watt Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:13 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I believe in charging as much as I can but isn't it so much easier to print from a digital file than hard copy? I never heard of anyone anything to print from hard copy. I'm talking digital output here of course. Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of David Monto Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:42 AM To: Printowners Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Here is something I found amazing. I hired an ex Staples CSR last week. As I was explaining to her our pre-flight fee she said Staples does not charge a file fee. I asked her how they charge for prints from customer files. She said they just charge the rate for how many copies they want. When I asked her how much they charged for printing one print she said either .09 cents for B & W and .49 if color! Talk about a black hole!!! They are also not allowed to make any changes to customer files. They have to send it to their production facility in Massachusetts for any corrections. -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net -- "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From printer at ptialaska.net Mon Mar 3 17:08:38 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Mon Mar 3 17:08:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rosback 220A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7B81FA87-FB31-45C9-B9C6-10E19094AC99@ptialaska.net> On Mar 3, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Joe Calagaz wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Friction REPLY: We have one, it does fine. The micro perfs cost about $500 if it does not already have one. See what attachments it has (you can also get a score attachment for laser paper, prevents cracking, but it is about $1000) _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From jdaghir at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 17:18:12 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Mon Mar 3 17:18:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rosback 220A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83d5b9620803031418u23817311k7505a7e8d1b08f6b@mail.gmail.com> We had a Rosback 220 - the model before the 220A. The main difference between the two is the 220 had a fixed speed motor with a variable pulley to change the speed while the 220A has variable speed AC drive. Pretty good machine, runs fast and is fairly easy to setup. Can do a micro-perf if you have the micro-perf heads (I seem to recall that they were a little on the pricey side). Since it is basically a direct feed without any sort of registration table you won't be able to hold all perfs/scores 100% perfectly straight. But for many jobs it's good enough. The friction feed model will mark/smear coated stock and sometimes wasn't happy with digital stuff either. It can be field upgraded to air-feed but the cost of the upgrade was almost half of the price of just buying a new one. We replaced the Rosback 220 with an air-fed Rollem 990 with a registration table, although truthfully it wasn't as big of an improvement as I was hoping for. We still sometimes have marking problems and can't always hold perfs/scores perfectly true and consistent. $1500 for a used 220A in good condition is probably a fair price - our 220 sold on Ebay for around $900. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Joe said: > I have the opportunity to buy a old rosback 220A for about $1500 > delivered.... > > > > Is that a fair price and does the unit do a good job? Will it do a > microperf I really have no slitter or perfing device right now.... From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Mon Mar 3 17:32:56 2008 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Mon Mar 3 17:33:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source - 4/C Window Decals Message-ID: <003201c87d7e$884602a0$042967d3@kp4> Good Afternoon, Does anyone has a source for 4/C Window Decals? Thanks so much........Linda Linda Baribeau Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. 2041 West Mill Road Glendale, WI 53209 Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 From brianoday at eprint.us Mon Mar 3 17:35:17 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Mon Mar 3 17:37:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source - 4/C Window Decals In-Reply-To: <003201c87d7e$884602a0$042967d3@kp4> References: <003201c87d7e$884602a0$042967d3@kp4> Message-ID: <008201c87d7e$db4cbd90$800101df@eprint.local> Doesn't Discount do them? Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Linda Baribeau Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:33 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Source - 4/C Window Decals ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Good Afternoon, Does anyone has a source for 4/C Window Decals? Thanks so much........Linda Linda Baribeau Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. 2041 West Mill Road Glendale, WI 53209 Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From joe at calagaz.com Mon Mar 3 17:42:19 2008 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Mon Mar 3 17:42:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source - 4/C Window Decals Message-ID: I think you can buy a static cling that will print on a toner machine if you only need a small run.... Joe Calagaz Calagaz Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Linda Baribeau Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:33 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Source - 4/C Window Decals ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Good Afternoon, Does anyone has a source for 4/C Window Decals? Thanks so much........Linda Linda Baribeau Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. 2041 West Mill Road Glendale, WI 53209 Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon Mar 3 19:30:45 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Mon Mar 3 19:30:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source - 4/C Window Decals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <012401c87d8e$fcf51f90$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Linda, if you only want a very small run, Office Depot has it for sure and Office Max might carry it also. It comes in small packages and they have magnetic material also. Not sure if it is for laser copiers though. It might be for inkjets???? Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Joe Calagaz Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:42 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Source - 4/C Window Decals ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I think you can buy a static cling that will print on a toner machine if you only need a small run.... Joe Calagaz Calagaz Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Linda Baribeau Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:33 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Source - 4/C Window Decals ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Good Afternoon, Does anyone has a source for 4/C Window Decals? Thanks so much........Linda Linda Baribeau Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. 2041 West Mill Road Glendale, WI 53209 Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2918 (20080303) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From robin at protypeonline.com Mon Mar 3 20:08:53 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Mon Mar 3 20:08:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rosback 220A Message-ID: Joe, we have the Rosback 220A and it is a workhorse. We only use it for slitting -- we kiss cut the liner on transfer tape we apply to hospital forms. Got the slitter a couple years ago when I purchased accounts from the business. I'm guessing it is about 30 years old. No idea about a micro perf. Have you looked on the rosback site? I'm pooped -- maybe it isn't made by rosback but someone else? Anyway, google is our friend! try it if you haven't already. I would think $1500 is a good price. Does it come with slitting heads? They are expensive. We have 7 of them. Just ordered new blades today -- $48 per blade! If someone on this list knows where we can get them for less - PLEASE SHARE! Good luck robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From robin at protypeonline.com Mon Mar 3 20:11:56 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Mon Mar 3 20:12:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source - 4/C Window Decals Message-ID: <80552B58-F79C-449D-AD89-9AA9784D80A1@protypeonline.com> Linda, we have used window cling material made for laser printers and easily printed on our CPP650 -- recently! The no smoking window clings were a big thing right around the first of the year. :) robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com Mon Mar 3 20:13:22 2008 From: sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com (Date-Line Digital Printing) Date: Mon Mar 3 20:15:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge In-Reply-To: <000e01c87d3e$bcddb570$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> References: <2178F144-5C38-4221-AECD-07DE33C67931@protypeonline.com> <000e01c87d3e$bcddb570$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> Message-ID: <000d01c87d94$f2bfff80$d83ffe80$@com> We charge $60.00/hr with a $30.00 minimum. Travis Lewis Date-Line Digital Printing Fairbanks AK From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon Mar 3 20:24:13 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Mon Mar 3 20:24:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rosback 220A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <013201c87d96$74b5ff70$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Can the be sharpened? JAT Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:09 PM To: printowners printowners Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Rosback 220A ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Joe, we have the Rosback 220A and it is a workhorse. We only use it for slitting -- we kiss cut the liner on transfer tape we apply to hospital forms. Got the slitter a couple years ago when I purchased accounts from the business. I'm guessing it is about 30 years old. No idea about a micro perf. Have you looked on the rosback site? I'm pooped -- maybe it isn't made by rosback but someone else? Anyway, google is our friend! try it if you haven't already. I would think $1500 is a good price. Does it come with slitting heads? They are expensive. We have 7 of them. Just ordered new blades today -- $48 per blade! If someone on this list knows where we can get them for less - PLEASE SHARE! Good luck robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2919 (20080303) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 21:21:55 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Mar 3 21:22:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source - 4/C Window Decals In-Reply-To: <003201c87d7e$884602a0$042967d3@kp4> References: <003201c87d7e$884602a0$042967d3@kp4> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0803031821s19364247kf1a1ec3b91864109@mail.gmail.com> On 3/3/08, Linda Baribeau wrote: > > > > Does anyone has a source for 4/C Window Decals? Stouse, for one. Discount and Lancer Label. In-house: laser or inkjet cling media available from: http://www.papilio.com -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ========================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From soneal at conestogadpi.com Tue Mar 4 08:15:32 2008 From: soneal at conestogadpi.com (Shawn O'Neal) Date: Tue Mar 4 08:15:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] sustainable mark ups In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0802291205y101ec967s382e16311974df09@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006b01c87df9$d3b17410$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> An interesting thread might be a discussion on sustainable multiples for materials. For instance paper should be marked up x3, labor should be marked up x2, clicks x4. We are all going to have different starting points based on vendors etc but if we all use reasonable markups we should all do fine. Also look at what the markup is at your lowest qty discount. Are you still making a profit? Shawn O'Neal Shawn O'Neal - General Manager Conestoga DPI Digital Printing & Imaging ph. 717.389.0350 fx. 717.306.4495 www.conestogadpi.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:05 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Price on Mailing ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** It should be clear by now that this isn't the old "1000 copies black on white 20# bond" that we used to compare pricing on back in the old days. It should also be evident that a lot of money is being left on the table, since pricing is all over the place. It might also be evident that a pricing survey won't tell you much since it can only reflect an average or median of a range of quite disparate pricing; you'll still have to pick your point on the price curve. I suspect that, as with so many of the other things printers, most people have not tested the market waters to find what the traffic will bear, but price this service strictly by production standards. Local market pricing, coupled with your ability to "charm" your customers and how much your customers like you are the determinants of the price range. There's obviously no "right" answer. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ========================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Mar 4 09:01:07 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Mar 4 09:01:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] drill bits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA4C17541C1945-BC-2DE0@webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> Robin stay off the wine : ) Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Robin Niewold To: printowners printowners Sent: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 5:25 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] drill bits ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? thanks everyone! NOW I get it! :)))))? And, I may be one of the culprits creating bad drill bits -- it sure sounds like I have over-sharpened -- big time -- in the past.? Will review all advice given with bindery and hopefully get a good sound understanding of the process and maintaing the bits.? THANK YOU!? :)? Robin? ? Robin Niewold? Pro-Type Printing, Inc.? 130 N. Market Street? Paxton, IL 60957? 217.379.4715? robin@protypeonline.com? ? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Mar 4 09:13:32 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Mar 4 09:13:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox Docucolor 240 In-Reply-To: <000401c87c20$d3f6e570$6401a8c0@corapurvine> References: <000901c87be6$cdad2470$6501a8c0@corapurvine> <000401c87c20$d3f6e570$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <8CA4C190F7BD3A3-BC-2EB7@webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> I had a Lanier color also that couldn't print blue either, always got purplish coloring.? My 250 is a marvel. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Cora Purvine To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 11:49 pm Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Xerox Docucolor 240 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Wonder why the color would vary so much. Do you think it has anything to do with humidity since you are having problems with static???? The 240 they have offered me does have the internal rip so guess I'd better check that out also. The machine I have now doesn't vary so much on color, but the blue sometimes looks purple and has lots of red in it like a ghost around the letters and sometimes a half sheet has streaks every .25" or so. sometimes red, sometimes blue, sometimes a rainbow of colors. This has just started recently. Now they say it is because I am running gloss. I've been running gloss for 2 years with hardly any problems at all??? They are now telling me that this machine will only get worse in the future. Sure gives me something to look forward to That is the reason I am thinking about switching, but I don't want to get into another problem machine either Thanks, Cora. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Maui Print Works Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 10:25 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Xerox Docucolor 240 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have a Doc-240 with an internal fiery rip. It's been very reliable, runs Coated Cover very well ( no problem with 12pt. Kromekote ) A little too much wave on 80# coated text, we prefer running 100# coated text. We've been able to duplex coated text but haven't seen good front to back register duplexing 11x17. Running one side at a time we've been able to hold register pretty well. The static in coated text does pose feeding problems. ( doubles, triples, quadruples, 12 sheets in the fuser is a problem ) The Doc-12 we used to have held color very consistently. This 240 with the internal fiery rip has nice color but can vary quite a lot even from the beginning to end of a 1000 run. From what I've heard on this list I think I'd like to see how it does with a Creo rip on our next machine. Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793 bill@mauiprintworks.com 808-242-6634 On Mar 1, 2008, at 11:54 AM, Cora Purvine wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone know if this will run gloss, how it does on card stock, > including gloss and if it has fuser oil. > > Thanks a bunch, Cora. > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners > 5801 W. Juno Ave. > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 > cpurvine1@cox.net > www.ClassActPrinting.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2913 (20080301) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Mar 4 09:15:58 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Mar 4 09:17:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge In-Reply-To: <030320081410.8330.47CC06CB0009A40A0000208A22007636920902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> References: <030320081410.8330.47CC06CB0009A40A0000208A22007636920902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CA4C19673E70D6-BC-2EE8@webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> Are minimum here is $9 for any type change. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: priorityprinting@comcast.net To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 9:10 am Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Our minimum typesetting charge is currently $5.00 if we just make simple changes to a file. I would like to know what other printers are charging. I have no idea if I am pricing correctly. Thanks. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From k_graham at hotmail.com Tue Mar 4 09:24:35 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Tue Mar 4 09:26:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source - 4/C Window Decals References: <003201c87d7e$884602a0$042967d3@kp4> <98f5b19a0803031821s19364247kf1a1ec3b91864109@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Xerox also has it - though I've never purchased it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Vogel" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Source - 4/C Window Decals > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On 3/3/08, Linda Baribeau wrote: >> >> >> >> Does anyone has a source for 4/C Window Decals? > > > > > Stouse, for one. > Discount and Lancer Label. > > In-house: laser or inkjet cling media available from: > http://www.papilio.com > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ========================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Mar 4 09:39:06 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Mar 4 09:39:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA4C1CA1F78639-BC-307A@webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> Fruitless it's not.? I?always feel that this forum opens my eyes wider to not only new ideas but shows how far off I am in my minimums.? Yet I love when customers tell me that it's only one line.? My answers are always the same.? I have to pay that employee to work on the orders & it requires a minimum charge.? And hey look how off I am $9? Thanks guys! Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: QKCONSULT@aol.com To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 10:25 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 3/3/2008 10:13:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bob@rjmprinting.com writes: $25 minimum typesetting $31.50 preflight charge I always find these discussions fruitless because it really depends on your overall pricing scheme. JMO. I suspect it isn't fruitless for those who discover out of ignorance, intimidation or whatever that they are totally out of the ball park and only competing against themselves with prices as low as $5! I can't foresee and "pricing scheme" that would justify charging below costs, so I don't understand how you can say "it depends." John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jwci at YadTel.net Tue Mar 4 10:39:20 2008 From: jwci at YadTel.net (Sam Williams) Date: Tue Mar 4 10:42:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] T-Shirt printer in South East References: <83d5b9620803031418u23817311k7505a7e8d1b08f6b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <012101c87e0d$ea7e9ce0$7400a8c0@SAM1> I am looking for a T-shirt & clothing printer in the South Eastern US. Any recommendations? Samuel L. Williams, President James Williams & Co., Inc. www.JamesWilliams.com 8-5 M-F Eastern Time Phone 800/819-2033 Fax 888.679.4329 From acepm2 at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 10:44:15 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Tue Mar 4 10:44:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers Message-ID: I want to know something from you all this morning. I want to start a website listing that would house these folks that think it is "ok" to run in, order something and then for whatever apparent reason just decide NOT to pay you! I've been hit today with a $3,800.00 bill that I doubt I will EVER collect on. Yeah, I could drag the guy through the trenches of court and all that mess, but what will that get me? Especially if they don't "have anything or own anything" to begin with!! Damn.... I'm serious. Would you be willing to post your most noncollectable accounts online where the rest of us could see them? ......it's not like someone is going to go in and steal your customer. Hell, if they want them, let them have them! -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From acepm2 at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 10:47:54 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Tue Mar 4 10:48:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] T-Shirt printer in South East In-Reply-To: <012101c87e0d$ea7e9ce0$7400a8c0@SAM1> References: <83d5b9620803031418u23817311k7505a7e8d1b08f6b@mail.gmail.com> <012101c87e0d$ea7e9ce0$7400a8c0@SAM1> Message-ID: I don't know how "South East" you need to be, but if you want someone you can trust and does a FANTASTIC JOB, call my friends Kim & Bonnie at Action Island Imprinters. Action Island Imprinters 410-641-4878 Berlin, Maryland Tell them Thom Gulyas @ ACE Printing & Mailing told you to call. Good luck! Thom On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Sam Williams wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am looking for a T-shirt & clothing printer in the South Eastern US. > Any recommendations? > > > Samuel L. Williams, President > James Williams & Co., Inc. > www.JamesWilliams.com > 8-5 M-F Eastern Time > Phone 800/819-2033 > Fax 888.679.4329 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Mar 4 11:00:30 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Mar 4 11:05:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers Message-ID: In a message dated 3/4/2008 10:46:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, acepm2@gmail.com writes: these folks that think it is "ok" to run in, order something and then for whatever apparent reason just decide NOT to pay you! I've been hit today with a $3,800.00 bill that I doubt I will EVER collect on. Yeah, I could drag the guy through the trenches of court and all that mess, but what will that get me? Thom, First, what I would like to know is how does someone just "run in, order something and then... decide not to pay you" get away with placing an order for $3,800 without a credit check, credit application, personal guarantee or something similar. Second, taking someone to court, especially for that amount, seems like it might be well worth the effort. While it takes time, you eventually can end up having his office furniture, equipment, etc. attached by a sheriff, especially if it is pretty much cut and dry as you imply. Third, I think you have to be very cautious about posting a "black list" of customers, especially if the intent is to damage their credit or reputation in the eyes of others. As crazy as I am, I would be very careful in that regard. Now having his legs broken or his car destroyed would be another matter much more to my liking. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From davek at epgvl.com Tue Mar 4 11:21:33 2008 From: davek at epgvl.com (Dave Knapp) Date: Tue Mar 4 11:22:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] T-Shirt printer in South East In-Reply-To: References: <83d5b9620803031418u23817311k7505a7e8d1b08f6b@mail.gmail.com> <012101c87e0d$ea7e9ce0$7400a8c0@SAM1> Message-ID: <47CD770D.4000702@epgvl.com> Contact Adair Howard at this place and tell her Becky at Express Press in Simpsonville, SC said to call: http://www.queensboro.com Please note new information: Dave Knapp Express Press 501B Richardson Street Simpsonville, SC 29681 864/757-9652 864/757-9654 Fax DaveK@epgvl.com www.epgvl.com Thom Gulyas wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I don't know how "South East" you need to be, but if you want someone you > can trust and does a FANTASTIC JOB, call my friends Kim & Bonnie at Action > Island Imprinters. > > Action Island Imprinters > 410-641-4878 > Berlin, Maryland > > Tell them Thom Gulyas @ ACE Printing & Mailing told you to call. > > Good luck! > > Thom > > > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Sam Williams wrote: > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I am looking for a T-shirt & clothing printer in the South Eastern US. >> Any recommendations? >> >> >> Samuel L. Williams, President >> James Williams & Co., Inc. >> www.JamesWilliams.com >> 8-5 M-F Eastern Time >> Phone 800/819-2033 >> Fax 888.679.4329 >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > > > From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 4 11:55:45 2008 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Austin Havens) Date: Tue Mar 4 11:52:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers References: Message-ID: <001901c87e18$9735a7d0$0201a8c0@austin> Your message hit my button(s) and I resonate with you in your frustration. As much as one might delight in hanging "deadbeats" out to dry in public, I would caution us a bit. If, by some strange quirk of fate the name(s) got out to the wrong people (and you can bet they will), the once "penny less customer" might be tempted to make some cash off you in court. Better, you take him/her to court without a black list than they take you to court with said list. Austin Havens Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Gulyas" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" ; "printownersng" Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:44 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I want to know something from you all this morning. I want to start a > website listing that would house these folks that think it is "ok" to run > in, order something and then for whatever apparent reason just decide NOT to > pay you! > > I've been hit today with a $3,800.00 bill that I doubt I will EVER collect > on. Yeah, I could drag the guy through the trenches of court and all that > mess, but what will that get me? Especially if they don't "have anything or > own anything" to begin with!! > > Damn.... I'm serious. Would you be willing to post your most noncollectable > accounts online where the rest of us could see them? > > ......it's not like someone is going to go in and steal your customer. Hell, > if they want them, let them have them! > > -- > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > Berlin, Maryland 21811 > www.acepm.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From tracy at commercialpressink.com Tue Mar 4 12:01:55 2008 From: tracy at commercialpressink.com (Tracy Charleson) Date: Tue Mar 4 11:55:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge In-Reply-To: <20080304162236.909BFE5AD43@rb.enter.net> References: <20080304162236.909BFE5AD43@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Our minimum design charge is $20.00, but................ that is for very basic changes to existing artwork that we have on file and other very small items, like set up for Pen orders ect... I am trying to raise the bar on all design and preflighting files. I find that where I am having the most difficulty with this is having our two designers give me "honest" time on projects so that I am better able to estimate time factors for quotes and such. I say "honest" time because they tend to not keep good track of the time they spend on each job, whether it be design, emailing or faxing proofs, sitting with a customer and reviewing concept to finished design. The designers also have many interruptions which of coarse we can't charge on that particular design. We need to factor in all aspects so that we can at least guess better. I am looking for some type of computer software that will let them keep track of time on each job. If any of you know of any please pass the information along to me. Thanks - Have a great week Tracy Charleson Commercial Press, Inc. 216 Cowan Road Canton, New York 13617 Phone: (315) 386-3431 Fax: (315) 386-5259 email: info@commercialpressink.com http://www.commercialpressink.com From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Mar 4 12:07:05 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Mar 4 12:07:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA4C314E5B089C-858-476@webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> I second that!? I have a client I just e-mailed & been calling for weeks.? She was a regular customer & paid on a timely matter.? She approached me on Jan 28th & needed a RUSH Banner order?for Feb 1st.? I gave her a price & she picked up the banner paid with a company check as always?& bounced the check ($418.60) on us.? Now she doesn't even return our calls.? So hooked it up I'm In! Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Thom Gulyas To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only ; printownersng Sent: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:44 am Subject: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I want to know something from you all this morning. I want to start a website listing that would house these folks that think it is "ok" to run in, order something and then for whatever apparent reason just decide NOT to pay you! I've been hit today with a $3,800.00 bill that I doubt I will EVER collect on. Yeah, I could drag the guy through the trenches of court and all that mess, but what will that get me? Especially if they don't "have anything or own anything" to begin with!! Damn.... I'm serious. Would you be willing to post your most noncollectable accounts online where the rest of us could see them? ......it's not like someone is going to go in and steal your customer. Hell, if they want them, let them have them! -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Mar 4 12:08:38 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Mar 4 12:09:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA4C3186295964-858-498@webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> That's why we love you John....LOL Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: QKCONSULT@aol.com To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:00 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 3/4/2008 10:46:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, acepm2@gmail.com writes: these folks that think it is "ok" to run in, order something and then for whatever apparent reason just decide NOT to pay you! I've been hit today with a $3,800.00 bill that I doubt I will EVER collect on. Yeah, I could drag the guy through the trenches of court and all that mess, but what will that get me? Thom, First, what I would like to know is how does someone just "run in, order something and then... decide not to pay you" get away with placing an order for $3,800 without a credit check, credit application, personal guarantee or something similar. Second, taking someone to court, especially for that amount, seems like it might be well worth the effort. While it takes time, you eventually can end up having his office furniture, equipment, etc. attached by a sheriff, especially if it is pretty much cut and dry as you imply. Third, I think you have to be very cautious about posting a "black list" of customers, especially if the intent is to damage their credit or reputation in the eyes of others. As crazy as I am, I would be very careful in that regard. Now having his legs broken or his car destroyed would be another matter much more to my liking. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Tue Mar 4 12:40:41 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Tue Mar 4 12:41:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I used to be President of a small community credit union before I bought this shop. Take legal action against the guy! You may get nothing now, but the judgement stays on his record until it is satisfied. You don't know how many times we got judgements against someone who wouldn't/couldn't pay. All of a sudden things change in their personal life and they want to buy a house, etc and the lender says not until we get a satisfaction of the judgement. Guess who comes looking to pay their bill? For that much money a couple hundred dollars is good insurance (in my mind) for the chance to get it back, with interest. You could spend even less if you just go to whatever the limit is in your state for a small claims action (maybe it is even higher than what he owes). Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 10:01 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 3/4/2008 10:46:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, acepm2@gmail.com writes: these folks that think it is "ok" to run in, order something and then for whatever apparent reason just decide NOT to pay you! I've been hit today with a $3,800.00 bill that I doubt I will EVER collect on. Yeah, I could drag the guy through the trenches of court and all that mess, but what will that get me? Thom, E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09330 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Mar 4 12:52:49 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Mar 4 12:53:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge In-Reply-To: References: <20080304162236.909BFE5AD43@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <200803041753.m24Hrjqt021405@i2bnetworks.com> Hey lookee what I found... http://tinyurl.com/3x3962 software, schmoftware..... get one of these... cheap too... S. At 09:01 AM 3/4/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > >Our minimum design charge is $20.00, but................ that is for >very basic changes to existing artwork that we have on file and other >very small items, like set up for Pen orders ect... > >I am trying to raise the bar on all design and preflighting files. I >find that where I am having the most difficulty with this is having >our two designers give me "honest" time on projects so that I am >better able to estimate time factors for quotes and such. I say >"honest" time because they tend to not keep good track of the time >they spend on each job, whether it be design, emailing or faxing >proofs, sitting with a customer and reviewing concept to finished >design. The designers also have many interruptions which of coarse >we can't charge on that particular design. We need to factor in all >aspects so that we can at least guess better. > >I am looking for some type of computer software that will let them >keep track of time on each job. If any of you know of any please pass >the information along to me. > >Thanks - Have a great week > >Tracy Charleson >Commercial Press, Inc. >216 Cowan Road >Canton, New York 13617 >Phone: (315) 386-3431 >Fax: (315) 386-5259 >email: info@commercialpressink.com >http://www.commercialpressink.com >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2921 (20080304) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Mar 4 13:10:11 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Mar 4 13:11:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge Message-ID: In a message dated 3/4/2008 12:55:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: Hey lookee what I found... http://tinyurl.com/3x3962 software, schmoftware..... Still one of the best little devices around.... The red light on top made it abundantly clear whether the meter was running or not, a feature lacking on all these modern software packages designed to track time! Also, the non-resetable meter on the side was great for checking if the dollars or hours being reported were true, or being created by the operator just to make sure that things added up properly. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From david at commercialpressink.com Tue Mar 4 13:27:13 2008 From: david at commercialpressink.com (David Charleson) Date: Tue Mar 4 13:20:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We belong to the PIA in NY, they issue a slow pay list to all its members for free, you can see whos on that list, you can also submit a slow or no paying customer to that list. Dont know how effective it can be but at least you might be able to see if the "new" customer is on that list. I also believe you can log on to the web site and review the list also. Dont know if this is available in other states David Charleson President Commercial Press Inc. 216 Cowan Rd Canton NY 13617 P 315-386-3431 david@commercialpressink.com www.commercialpressink.com On Mar 4, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Mark Lake wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I used to be President of a small community credit union before I > bought > this shop. Take legal action against the guy! You may get nothing > now, but > the judgement stays on his record until it is satisfied. You don't > know how > many times we got judgements against someone who wouldn't/couldn't > pay. All > of a sudden things change in their personal life and they want to > buy a > house, etc and the lender says not until we get a satisfaction of the > judgement. Guess who comes looking to pay their bill? For that much > money a > couple hundred dollars is good insurance (in my mind) for the > chance to get > it back, with interest. You could spend even less if you just go to > whatever > the limit is in your state for a small claims action (maybe it is even > higher than what he owes). > > > Mark Lake > PIP Printing > 368 Jefferson Street > Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 > 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax > www.pipsturgeonbay.com > Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com > > To send a file to us, please use the link below > http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > QKCONSULT@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 10:01 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 3/4/2008 10:46:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > acepm2@gmail.com writes: > > these folks that think it is "ok" to run in, order something and > then for > whatever apparent reason just decide NOT to pay you! > > I've been hit today with a $3,800.00 bill that I doubt I will EVER > collect > on. Yeah, I could drag the guy through the trenches of court and > all that > mess, but what will that get me? > > Thom, > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) > Database version: 5.09330 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From dvmonto at optonline.net Tue Mar 4 13:26:01 2008 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Tue Mar 4 13:26:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers In-Reply-To: <001901c87e18$9735a7d0$0201a8c0@austin> Message-ID: Maybe we could also start a list of fellow PrintOwner list members who are deadbeats? I can think of one now that owes me for over 10 months! -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls ?Government?s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it.? If it keeps moving, regulate it.? And if it stops moving, subsidize it.? Ronald Reagan From owner at latsons.com Tue Mar 4 13:36:58 2008 From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson) Date: Tue Mar 4 13:35:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Crack and Peel through 3220 copier? Message-ID: <200803041834.m24IYv6t009971@pro35.abac.com> We have done short runs before, can any one advise me the best way for a run of 500 or 1,000 through this box? Should I worry about oozing? Recommendations on the type of adhesive stock to use? Thank you in advance, Dick Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com From tracy at commercialpressink.com Tue Mar 4 13:42:19 2008 From: tracy at commercialpressink.com (Tracy Charleson) Date: Tue Mar 4 13:35:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge In-Reply-To: <20080304181147.7D5EEE5B1BA@rb.enter.net> References: <20080304181147.7D5EEE5B1BA@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <2BD0F5BA-CDA1-43C8-91A5-C6DD8465B3B3@commercialpressink.com> > You printowners are the best!!! Dave is buying it as I type. > It will also work great for time studies in the bindery department > which is just another of those departments that I get me knickers > in a knot over because they don't give me true times and yet I am > magically suppose to charge the correct prices. I Thanks again!! > Tracy Charleson > Commercial Press, Inc. > 216 Cowan Road > Canton, New York 13617 > Phone: (315) 386-3431 > Fax: (315) 386-5259 > email: info@commercialpressink.com > http://www.commercialpressink.com > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:52:49 -0800 > From: Scott Cappel > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <200803041753.m24Hrjqt021405@i2bnetworks.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > Hey lookee what I found... > > http://tinyurl.com/3x3962 > > software, schmoftware..... > > get one of these... > > cheap too... > > S. > > > > At 09:01 AM 3/4/2008, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> >> >> Our minimum design charge is $20.00, but................ that is for >> very basic changes to existing artwork that we have on file and other >> very small items, like set up for Pen orders ect... >> >> I am trying to raise the bar on all design and preflighting files. I >> find that where I am having the most difficulty with this is having >> our two designers give me "honest" time on projects so that I am >> better able to estimate time factors for quotes and such. I say >> "honest" time because they tend to not keep good track of the time >> they spend on each job, whether it be design, emailing or faxing >> proofs, sitting with a customer and reviewing concept to finished >> design. The designers also have many interruptions which of coarse >> we can't charge on that particular design. We need to factor in all >> aspects so that we can at least guess better. >> >> I am looking for some type of computer software that will let them >> keep track of time on each job. If any of you know of any please pass >> the information along to me. >> >> Thanks - Have a great week >> >> Tracy Charleson >> Commercial Press, Inc. >> 216 Cowan Road >> Canton, New York 13617 >> Phone: (315) 386-3431 >> Fax: (315) 386-5259 >> email: info@commercialpressink.com >> http://www.commercialpressink.com >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 2921 (20080304) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 13:10:11 EST > From: QKCONSULT@aol.com > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge > To: printowners@printweb.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > In a message dated 3/4/2008 12:55:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: > > Hey lookee what I found... > > http://tinyurl.com/3x3962 > > software, schmoftware..... > > > > > Still one of the best little devices around.... The red light on > top made it > abundantly clear whether the meter was running or not, a feature > lacking on > all these modern software packages designed to track time! Also, the > non-resetable meter on the side was great for checking if the > dollars or hours being > reported were true, or being created by the operator just to make > sure that > things added up properly. > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http:// > www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > From dave at goldentriangleprinting.com Tue Mar 4 13:50:07 2008 From: dave at goldentriangleprinting.com (Dave) Date: Tue Mar 4 13:50:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Crack and Peel through 3220 copier? References: <200803041834.m24IYv6t009971@pro35.abac.com> Message-ID: <000b01c87e28$90ed1fb0$0201a8c0@GTP01> WE run labels on our 3220 all the time. Use side tray and label stock Dave Golden Triangle Printing 80 Baffin Pl Unit 1 Waterloo, Ontario N2V 1Z7 Ph. 519-725-1414 Fax. 519-725-2051 sales@goldentriangleprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Latson" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Crack and Peel through 3220 copier? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have done short runs before, can any one advise me the best way > for a run of 500 or 1,000 through this box? Should I worry about oozing? > Recommendations on the type of adhesive stock to use? > Thank you in advance, > Dick > > Dick Latson > Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. > 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 > Commerce, Texas 75428 > (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 > email: owner@latsons.com > www.latsons.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Tue Mar 4 14:09:30 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Tue Mar 4 14:09:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Font Servers/Management In-Reply-To: <2BD0F5BA-CDA1-43C8-91A5-C6DD8465B3B3@commercialpressink.com> References: <20080304181147.7D5EEE5B1BA@rb.enter.net> <2BD0F5BA-CDA1-43C8-91A5-C6DD8465B3B3@commercialpressink.com> Message-ID: <9BB19A13-7F1C-4A48-8A84-46D3F92BFADB@falconprintandcopy.com> We're a pretty small shop, and really only have 3 computers we do any graphic work on. We still have font issues sometimes, and have pretty well worked around them using Cross Font to convert mac fonts pc, and vice versa. I have considered getting a server version of suitcase (we're finally upgrading to a proper server instead of using my computer to network everything), but don't know if its worth the money/ effort, specifically for our environment. Can I get some information on what everyone's using, whether or not they're happy with it, and how much it helps? Thanks! Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Mar 4 14:40:52 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Mar 4 14:41:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Font Servers/Management In-Reply-To: <9BB19A13-7F1C-4A48-8A84-46D3F92BFADB@falconprintandcopy.co m> References: <20080304181147.7D5EEE5B1BA@rb.enter.net> <2BD0F5BA-CDA1-43C8-91A5-C6DD8465B3B3@commercialpressink.com> <9BB19A13-7F1C-4A48-8A84-46D3F92BFADB@falconprintandcopy.com> Message-ID: <200803041941.m24JfmtH049907@i2bnetworks.com> We have a 20 user license of Adobe Folio 9. Comes with the entire Adobe Library Mac and Windows. We have them installed on each individual graphics workstation with a copy of Suitcase. One one of our SNAPs we have a share called Content, that's where we store all the stock photography, clip art, and fonts needed for the graphics department. So individual installation at the workstation level as well as centralized resources for access. Works seamlessly. S. At 11:09 AM 3/4/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We're a pretty small shop, and really only have 3 computers we do any >graphic work on. We still have font issues sometimes, and have pretty >well worked around them using Cross Font to convert mac fonts pc, and >vice versa. I have considered getting a server version of suitcase >(we're finally upgrading to a proper server instead of using my >computer to network everything), but don't know if its worth the >money/ effort, specifically for our environment. Can I get some information >on what everyone's using, whether or not they're happy with it, and >how much it helps? Thanks! > >Borzou Azabdaftari >Falcon Print and Copy >1921 Gallows Road >Suite 150 >Vienna, VA 22182 >t.703.442.0124 >f.703.442.0134 >borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2921 (20080304) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From list at interiorgraphics.com Tue Mar 4 14:43:01 2008 From: list at interiorgraphics.com (Michelle at Interior Graphics) Date: Tue Mar 4 14:43:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Resurrecting Info from Floppy Message-ID: <2ACA859A-83AE-43B6-A4AB-EB68C3F1366B@interiorgraphics.com> I have inherited a safe full of floppy disks with my business purchase. Most of the floppies aren't worth anything (wait a minute - is there a market on ebay for Windows 3.0 startup floppies?) However, there are boxes of eps clip art files that I would like to put on my hard drive so I can use them. When I plug in the USB floppy disk drive to my Mac and insert the disk, nothing happens. I've tried it in the PC and it just wants me to format the disk. All of the Mac's are on system 10, maybe that's it? Is there any way to get the files off, or is this something else for the dump? Thank you! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michelle Maynor "Your Personal Printer" Interior Graphics & Printing 770 8th Avenue Fairbanks, AK 99701 907.456.4982 phone 907.452.6992 fax "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the most." - John Ruskin From acepm2 at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 15:26:08 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Tue Mar 4 15:26:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: John, While I agree with you...and I'm off to a hot head start, I'm pissed! This guy has been doing work with us for years. He's a congressman for hell's sake!! What a crook!! I've been doing work for him for years....and now that he lost his bid for re-election, I'm supposed to eat it? I'm supposed to drag a congressman into court? I told his campaign manager that I'm NOT too thrilled about having to eat this. They said that they were flat broke and it is tough to raise money on a campaign were they lost the primary. Damn I'm mad.... I'm real mad. I've taken on some big folks....but never a congressman. I guess there is a first for everything. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 11:00 AM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 3/4/2008 10:46:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > acepm2@gmail.com writes: > > these folks that think it is "ok" to run > in, order something and then for whatever apparent reason just decide NOT > to > pay you! > > I've been hit today with a $3,800.00 bill that I doubt I will EVER > collect > on. Yeah, I could drag the guy through the trenches of court and all that > mess, but what will that get me? > > Thom, > > First, what I would like to know is how does someone just "run in, order > something and then... decide not to pay you" get away with placing an > order for > $3,800 without a credit check, credit application, personal guarantee or > something similar. > > > Second, taking someone to court, especially for that amount, seems like > it > might be well worth the effort. While it takes time, you eventually can > end up > having his office furniture, equipment, etc. attached by a sheriff, > especially if it is pretty much cut and dry as you imply. > > Third, I think you have to be very cautious about posting a "black list" > of > customers, especially if the intent is to damage their credit or > reputation in > the eyes of others. As crazy as I am, I would be very careful in that > regard. Now having his legs broken or his car destroyed would be another > matter > much more to my liking. > > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From acepm2 at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 15:22:16 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Tue Mar 4 15:28:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers In-Reply-To: References: <001901c87e18$9735a7d0$0201a8c0@austin> Message-ID: David, Someone on this list owes you cash? Who?? Out them.... unless there is a good reason, out them. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 1:26 PM, David Monto wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Maybe we could also start a list of fellow PrintOwner list members who are > deadbeats? > > I can think of one now that owes me for over 10 months! > > > -- > David V. Monto > > Sir Speedy Printing > 1837 South Road > Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 > > Phone:845-298-8898 > Fax: 845-298-8537 > email: dvmonto@optonline.net > > www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls > > ?Government?s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short > phrases: > If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops > moving, subsidize it.? > > Ronald Reagan > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Mar 4 15:39:38 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Mar 4 15:39:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers Message-ID: In a message dated 3/4/2008 3:28:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, acepm2@gmail.com writes: While I agree with you...and I'm off to a hot head start, I'm pissed! This guy has been doing work with us for years. He's a congressman for hell's sake!! What a crook!! I've been doing work for him for years....and now that he lost his bid for re-election, I'm supposed to eat it? I'm supposed to drag a congressman into court? I told his campaign manager that I'm NOT too thrilled about having to eat this. They said that they were flat broke and it is tough to raise money on a campaign were they lost the primary. Damn I'm mad.... I'm real mad. I've taken on some big folks....but never a congressman. I guess there is a first for everything. Hell Thom, I've consulted for Congressmen who have gotten into printing. No big deal. What's the problem with filing a suit? Why would you worry about dragging him or his kids or wife or mother into court? Is this royalty or is he specially endowed with certain rights and privileges? Give me a break.... most of them are egotistical ass holes and he should get everything he deserves. Go after him, his wife, his kids, his manager and everyone and don't let them off the hook. Harass the hell out of them.... what is he going to do?.... call someone and complain that he is being harassed because he is a deadbeat! Shit, give me a break. You should file against everyone and make sure the newspaper and everyone else know what is going on! Of course, you do realize that whether you have been doing business with him for years or not, when it came to printing election stuff you violated one of the BIG RULES and that is political stuff is COD! Figure it this way, there is a 50-50 chance a candidate is going to lose so why take the chance of being on the loser's side and then wondering whether you will get paid. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From priorityprinting at comcast.net Tue Mar 4 15:45:43 2008 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Tue Mar 4 15:45:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minimum Typesetting Charge Message-ID: <030420082045.8790.47CDB4F7000362EC0000225622007637040902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> As odd as this sounds this works. Our graphic artists use stopwatches. Every time they stop working on the job they just give the watch a click. Using this system we get very accurate time charges. We charge for the actual time worked on the job without any guesswork deleted for interruptions. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 810 487-1700 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Tracy Charleson > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > Our minimum design charge is $20.00, but................ that is for > very basic changes to existing artwork that we have on file and other > very small items, like set up for Pen orders ect... > > I am trying to raise the bar on all design and preflighting files. I > find that where I am having the most difficulty with this is having > our two designers give me "honest" time on projects so that I am > better able to estimate time factors for quotes and such. I say > "honest" time because they tend to not keep good track of the time > they spend on each job, whether it be design, emailing or faxing > proofs, sitting with a customer and reviewing concept to finished > design. The designers also have many interruptions which of coarse > we can't charge on that particular design. We need to factor in all > aspects so that we can at least guess better. > > I am looking for some type of computer software that will let them > keep track of time on each job. If any of you know of any please pass > the information along to me. > > Thanks - Have a great week > > Tracy Charleson > Commercial Press, Inc. > 216 Cowan Road > Canton, New York 13617 > Phone: (315) 386-3431 > Fax: (315) 386-5259 > email: info@commercialpressink.com > http://www.commercialpressink.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From sos at olympus.net Tue Mar 4 15:48:47 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Mar 4 15:51:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers References: Message-ID: <03dc01c87e39$24c1dea0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > Damn I'm mad.... I'm real mad. I've taken on some big folks....but never a > congressman. I guess there is a first for everything. ================== Sorry for your loss, Thom. And of course it wasn't him, it was his campaign committee that stiffed you. Does anybody know if Campaign Committees are normally incorporated, LLCs or what. It seems to me that is not usually the case and He or She, should honor the debts. Or be taken to small claims court or whatever. Former congressmen usually make a whole lot more money once they start lobbying, or join a prestigious law firm, or go on the lecture circuit. Good luck with it. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Mar 4 16:02:07 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Mar 4 16:03:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers In-Reply-To: References: <001901c87e18$9735a7d0$0201a8c0@austin> Message-ID: <200803042103.m24L32Et070197@i2bnetworks.com> Get a rope. S. At 10:26 AM 3/4/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Maybe we could also start a list of fellow PrintOwner list members who are >deadbeats? > >I can think of one now that owes me for over 10 months! > > >-- >David V. Monto > >Sir Speedy Printing >1837 South Road >Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 > >Phone:845-298-8898 >Fax: 845-298-8537 >email: dvmonto@optonline.net > >www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls > >?Government?s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: >If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops >moving, subsidize it.? > >Ronald Reagan > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2921 (20080304) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Tue Mar 4 16:05:42 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Tue Mar 4 16:05:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A0BD040-F934-4EE2-9918-67AC3D5B1CC3@falconprintandcopy.com> I've been burned by anyone you can imagine. Literally, former presidential candidates (I'll take a point for the congressman trump, this was during an active presidential campaign), family friends, girlfriends relatives, clients who paid for a job by phone, picked it up in person, and when they're superior didn't like it, called and told their cc company they never received it. You name it, they've burned me. There's a delicate balance between protecting yourself, and burning a bridge before its been formed. You don't want to offend a potential client, but again, have to cover your bases. This begins with an air tight credit app. And I say air tight meaning it leaves you legal recourse, not that they have a great DNB score. Ours is pretty excellent I believe, email me if you want to see it. There are two sections on the back, one of the company, one for the personal guarantee. Here's are rule: 1. No one takes a job without paying for it, unless we've already had a credit app filled out. No matter what, or who they are. 2. Everyone fills out the top half of the second sheet, which is the business part. No matter what. Unless the company goes out of business, you're usually covered with this part. 3. Anyone who doesn't have an established business (physical location, been there for years) fills out the personal guarantee. If they don't, they can just pay for it. They all do, but there's no reason for people to assume they can take work without paying for it unless they're willing to back it up. 4. Politicians and political action committees are the WORST. 50% down to start, no matter what. Obviously nothing is 100%, but if you can get your employees to adhere to this policies, a. people are more likely to pay, and b. if they don't, you have options. If anyone would like a copy of the The worst: I had a client who took signage, said it was too expensive, and not only could I not get a judgement, because he said he didn't agree to that price, but he's still using them. I've talked to several lawyers, and if I take it back its theft, as the title transfered to him on delivery, and since he hasn't signed anything promising to pay for it, he doesn't have to. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com On Mar 4, 2008, at 3:39 PM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 3/4/2008 3:28:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > acepm2@gmail.com writes: > > While I agree with you...and I'm off to a hot head start, I'm > pissed! This > guy has been doing work with us for years. He's a congressman for > hell's > sake!! What a crook!! > > I've been doing work for him for years....and now that he lost his > bid for > re-election, I'm supposed to eat it? I'm supposed to drag a > congressman into > court? I told his campaign manager that I'm NOT too thrilled about > having to > eat this. They said that they were flat broke and it is tough to > raise money > on a campaign were they lost the primary. > > Damn I'm mad.... I'm real mad. I've taken on some big folks....but > never a > congressman. I guess there is a first for everything. > > > > Hell Thom, I've consulted for Congressmen who have gotten into > printing. No > big deal. What's the problem with filing a suit? Why would you > worry about > dragging him or his kids or wife or mother into court? Is this > royalty or is he > specially endowed with certain rights and privileges? Give me a > break.... > most of them are egotistical ass holes and he should get everything he > deserves. Go after him, his wife, his kids, his manager and everyone > and don't let > them off the hook. Harass the hell out of them.... what is he going > to do?.... > call someone and complain that he is being harassed because he is a > deadbeat! > Shit, give me a break. You should file against everyone and make > sure the > newspaper and everyone else know what is going on! > > Of course, you do realize that whether you have been doing business > with him > for years or not, when it came to printing election stuff you > violated one > of the BIG RULES and that is political stuff is COD! Figure it this > way, there > is a 50-50 chance a candidate is going to lose so why take the > chance of > being on the loser's side and then wondering whether you will get > paid. > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http:// > www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL > Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From dvmonto at optonline.net Tue Mar 4 16:19:28 2008 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Tue Mar 4 16:19:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers In-Reply-To: <8CA4C314E5B089C-858-476@webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On 3/4/08 12:07 PM, "Tommy Melendez" wrote: > I second that!? I have a client I just e-mailed & been calling for weeks.? She > was a regular customer & paid on a timely matter.? She approached me on Jan > 28th & needed a RUSH Banner order?for Feb 1st.? I gave her a price & she > picked up the banner paid with a company check as always?& bounced the check > ($418.60) on us.? Now she doesn't even return our calls.? So hooked it up I'm > In! Tommy, I would rather a customer pay me with a bad check then not at all. New York makes it a crime to bounce a check. I have already almost had someone arrested for bouncing a check. First I went to bank to file a protest. Then I went to sheriffs office and had them issue a warrant for his arrest. They went to his house with the warrant and told him that if he did not pay by the next day they would be back to arrest him. He came in next morning with cash for the check, all bank fees and he also paid for my time on the matter. In New York check bouncers are liable for up to twice face amount of check. -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net -- "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Tue Mar 4 16:23:56 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Tue Mar 4 16:24:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47CDBDEC.9030904@sugarloafprint.com> Just what he said Thom The media loves a deadbeat congressman QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 3/4/2008 3:28:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > acepm2@gmail.com writes: > > While I agree with you...and I'm off to a hot head start, I'm pissed! This > guy has been doing work with us for years. He's a congressman for hell's > sake!! What a crook!! > > I've been doing work for him for years....and now that he lost his bid for > re-election, I'm supposed to eat it? I'm supposed to drag a congressman into > court? I told his campaign manager that I'm NOT too thrilled about having to > eat this. They said that they were flat broke and it is tough to raise money > on a campaign were they lost the primary. > > Damn I'm mad.... I'm real mad. I've taken on some big folks....but never a > congressman. I guess there is a first for everything. > > > > Hell Thom, I've consulted for Congressmen who have gotten into printing. No > big deal. What's the problem with filing a suit? Why would you worry about > dragging him or his kids or wife or mother into court? Is this royalty or is he > specially endowed with certain rights and privileges? Give me a break.... > most of them are egotistical ass holes and he should get everything he > deserves. Go after him, his wife, his kids, his manager and everyone and don't let > them off the hook. Harass the hell out of them.... what is he going to do?.... > call someone and complain that he is being harassed because he is a deadbeat! > Shit, give me a break. You should file against everyone and make sure the > newspaper and everyone else know what is going on! > > Of course, you do realize that whether you have been doing business with him > for years or not, when it came to printing election stuff you violated one > of the BIG RULES and that is political stuff is COD! Figure it this way, there > is a 50-50 chance a candidate is going to lose so why take the chance of > being on the loser's side and then wondering whether you will get paid. > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Mar 4 17:03:47 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Mar 4 17:04:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Font Servers/Management In-Reply-To: <9BB19A13-7F1C-4A48-8A84-46D3F92BFADB@falconprintandcopy.com> References: <20080304181147.7D5EEE5B1BA@rb.enter.net> <2BD0F5BA-CDA1-43C8-91A5-C6DD8465B3B3@commercialpressink.com> <9BB19A13-7F1C-4A48-8A84-46D3F92BFADB@falconprintandcopy.com> Message-ID: <8CA4C5AC161E676-858-1A6F@webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> Same here we have 3 computers we use for graphics, & also wondering about price for these raid units.? If it's worth the expense. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Borzou Azabdaftari To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 2:09 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] Font Servers/Management ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? We're a pretty small shop, and really only have 3 computers we do any graphic work on. We still have font issues sometimes, and have pretty well worked around them using Cross Font to convert mac fonts pc, and vice versa. I have considered getting a server version of suitcase (we're finally upgrading to a proper server instead of using my computer to network everything), but don't know if its worth the money/effort, specifically for our environment. Can I get some information on what everyone's using, whether or not they're happy with it, and how much it helps? Thanks!? ? Borzou Azabdaftari? Falcon Print and Copy? 1921 Gallows Road? Suite 150? Vienna, VA 22182? t.703.442.0124? f.703.442.0134? borzou@falconprintandcopy.com? ? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From tstrickland at studiodesignsprinting.com Tue Mar 4 17:09:17 2008 From: tstrickland at studiodesignsprinting.com (tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com) Date: Tue Mar 4 17:09:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers - collecting & rental property stories References: Message-ID: <012d01c87e44$63fcffe0$0500a8c0@TravisComp> I saw the post on this issue and wanted to respond. Thankfully I've never really been stiffed on any large orders...we get a business card now and then but that's all I've really ever had. However, I also own many rental properties and over the years I could really tell you some stories about collecting and things dead beat renters do. I've heard every excuse possible, I've seen every trick, and through many mistakes and hard lessons learned unfortunately I've had to become very strict with my policies....I used to be a push over and ever single time I gave someone a little leniency they stuck it to me. The one turning point I remember was when had a lady move in, she paid the first months rent and I never got another penny from her. It took me 4 months to get her out of the house with $4000 worth of rent and damages owed. Good lesson here that carries over to our printing customers..I always do rental background/credit checks now and we follow the same rule in my printing business. Let me get back to collecting before I get off on another tangent about renters..anyway, I go after them even if it's a couple hundred bucks and it doesn't matter who they are. Heck, right now I get a $500 a month garnishment check from a supervisor on our local police force...I'm sure help with any speeding tickets is probably out for me..lol. It takes a little while to learn the ins and outs of the Magistrate Court System and of course your state laws..and naturally everything is geared toward the defendants advantage so you have to have a lot of patience. File your suite..once you have a judgment there are several options for collecting and sometimes you have to be creative. My best story on collecting comes after I received a judgment for several thousand dollars against a past renter. She moved out of town so I had to do a SSN search for wages in order to find her. I found her and filed a garnishment and her employer did not respond. The judge awarded me a judgment against the employer who happened to be a large chain of convenient stores. I filed a FiFa against them and was just scheduling an appt. with a sheriff's deputy...I was going to load up on gas, beer, and chips..lol. The employer at the last minute responded by having their lawyers send a 4 page letter to the judge. It was nothing but long legal mumbo jumbo but it rattled the judge enough to issue a hearing. They also sent me this treating letter saying I better go away or they would sue me for their legal expenses etc. etc. Well, that just got me fired up even more. I'll never forget that day...these three suites showed up and then there was me. The judge asked us could we work it out....I said sure but also mentioned their nasty letter...and all they would offer was my court cost of $60. So we had the hearing and to my surprise the judge gave them an ear full and I won. Oh they were pissed and I just smiled and even rode the elevator down with them! Travis Strickland Studio Designs Printing ----- Original Message ----- From: QKCONSULT@aol.com To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 3/4/2008 3:28:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, acepm2@gmail.com writes: While I agree with you...and I'm off to a hot head start, I'm pissed! This guy has been doing work with us for years. He's a congressman for hell's sake!! What a crook!! I've been doing work for him for years....and now that he lost his bid for re-election, I'm supposed to eat it? I'm supposed to drag a congressman into court? I told his campaign manager that I'm NOT too thrilled about having to eat this. They said that they were flat broke and it is tough to raise money on a campaign were they lost the primary. Damn I'm mad.... I'm real mad. I've taken on some big folks....but never a congressman. I guess there is a first for everything. Hell Thom, I've consulted for Congressmen who have gotten into printing. No big deal. What's the problem with filing a suit? Why would you worry about dragging him or his kids or wife or mother into court? Is this royalty or is he specially endowed with certain rights and privileges? Give me a break.... most of them are egotistical ass holes and he should get everything he deserves. Go after him, his wife, his kids, his manager and everyone and don't let them off the hook. Harass the hell out of them.... what is he going to do?.... call someone and complain that he is being harassed because he is a deadbeat! Shit, give me a break. You should file against everyone and make sure the newspaper and everyone else know what is going on! Of course, you do realize that whether you have been doing business with him for years or not, when it came to printing election stuff you violated one of the BIG RULES and that is political stuff is COD! Figure it this way, there is a 50-50 chance a candidate is going to lose so why take the chance of being on the loser's side and then wondering whether you will get paid. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From gamble at choiceonemail.com Tue Mar 4 18:09:41 2008 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Tue Mar 4 18:09:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Resurrecting Info from Floppy In-Reply-To: <2ACA859A-83AE-43B6-A4AB-EB68C3F1366B@interiorgraphics.com> References: <2ACA859A-83AE-43B6-A4AB-EB68C3F1366B@interiorgraphics.com> Message-ID: <04b101c87e4c$d42e5680$0301a8c0@RICK> Michele, If you think the data may be of some use to you if you have a PC with windows 95 on it I find that program/operating system is very friendly to older data opening. I have a customer who still uses windows 3.1 so my 95 get s usage once a month. Only thing to consider is the data on those disks may not work with any thing much newer as far as operating systems. But hey free is a nice word, if you have the older program open one up save it and see what it gives you. Could be exciting might be something of great value..:) JMTC Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michelle at Interior Graphics Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:43 PM To: Printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Resurrecting Info from Floppy ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have inherited a safe full of floppy disks with my business purchase. Most of the floppies aren't worth anything (wait a minute - is there a market on ebay for Windows 3.0 startup floppies?) However, there are boxes of eps clip art files that I would like to put on my hard drive so I can use them. When I plug in the USB floppy disk drive to my Mac and insert the disk, nothing happens. I've tried it in the PC and it just wants me to format the disk. All of the Mac's are on system 10, maybe that's it? Is there any way to get the files off, or is this something else for the dump? Thank you! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michelle Maynor "Your Personal Printer" Interior Graphics & Printing 770 8th Avenue Fairbanks, AK 99701 907.456.4982 phone 907.452.6992 fax "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the most." - John Ruskin _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dominick at fmtc.com Tue Mar 4 18:13:01 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Tue Mar 4 18:13:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Crack and Peel through 3220 copier? In-Reply-To: <200803041834.m24IYv6t009971@pro35.abac.com> References: <200803041834.m24IYv6t009971@pro35.abac.com> Message-ID: <47CDD77D.5070207@fmtc.com> For long runs, need to test your machine. We run from the drawer on heavy 1, especially if there is large coverage. The label backer sucks the heat out of the rollers and after 50 on any other setting, the toner starts to flake. We have never had adhesive "ooze" or any other problems. Our longest run was 2500 11 x 17 but all text in multi colors. Only threw out 5 because it caught the corner and wrinkled. We use GPA aggressive adhesive on all our labels, unless asked for removable, then use MacTac. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! Dick Latson wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have done short runs before, can any one advise me the best way for > a run of 500 or 1,000 through this box? Should I worry about oozing? > Recommendations on the type of adhesive stock to use? > Thank you in advance, > Dick > > Dick Latson > Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. > 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 > Commerce, Texas 75428 > (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 > email: owner@latsons.com > www.latsons.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Tue Mar 4 18:23:40 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Tue Mar 4 18:23:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Resurrecting Info from Floppy In-Reply-To: <04b101c87e4c$d42e5680$0301a8c0@RICK> References: <2ACA859A-83AE-43B6-A4AB-EB68C3F1366B@interiorgraphics.com> <04b101c87e4c$d42e5680$0301a8c0@RICK> Message-ID: <38C36E7A-C0A6-4468-AA80-F83BA647DC42@falconprintandcopy.com> I want to hear more about who's running windows 3.1.... Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com On Mar 4, 2008, at 6:09 PM, Rick Bird wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Michele, > > If you think the data may be of some use to you if you have a PC > with windows 95 on it I find that program/operating system is very > friendly > to older data opening. I have a customer who still uses windows 3.1 > so my > 95 get s usage once a month. Only thing to consider is the data on > those > disks may not work with any thing much newer as far as operating > systems. > But hey free is a nice word, if you have the older program open one > up save > it and see what it gives you. > > Could be exciting might be something of great value..:) > > JMTC > > Rick Bird > Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. > 3649 California Road > Orchard Park, NY 14127 > (716) 662-1515 > (716) 662-5917 - Fax > gamble@choiceonemail.com - email > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michelle at > Interior > Graphics > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:43 PM > To: Printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] Resurrecting Info from Floppy > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have inherited a safe full of floppy disks with my business > purchase. Most of the floppies aren't worth anything (wait a minute > - is there a market on ebay for Windows 3.0 startup floppies?) > However, there are boxes of eps clip art files that I would like to > put on my hard drive so I can use them. > > When I plug in the USB floppy disk drive to my Mac and insert the > disk, nothing happens. I've tried it in the PC and it just wants me > to format the disk. All of the Mac's are on system 10, maybe that's > it? Is there any way to get the files off, or is this something else > for the dump? Thank you! > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Michelle Maynor > "Your Personal Printer" > Interior Graphics & Printing > 770 8th Avenue > Fairbanks, AK 99701 > 907.456.4982 phone > 907.452.6992 fax > > "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the > most." - John Ruskin > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Mar 4 18:33:44 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Mar 4 18:34:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Resurrecting Info from Floppy Message-ID: <2B75110D-C10D-4214-B44B-C4317BB51F3C@protypeonline.com> Michelle, I'm certainly no computer "guru" but I'm with Rick on this -- I really doubt if the time you will spend will justify the results and that the files will be equally valuable (as your time). I completely understand your desire to make lemonade out of lemons but, I'm confident in your ability to find a better way to spend time and make money! :)) Just so hard to throw that old stuff out!!! But.....you've gotta do it! robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Mar 4 18:53:50 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Mar 4 18:54:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CA4C6A20FC2BAC-858-20C7@webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> I'll tell you the truth.? I'm more furious with the fact that I wasn't able to do it in-house.? This was outsource for $260 +?$35?overnight.? I did my part to please the customer & they knew their check wasn't going to clear.? A simple well don't deposit til so & so day would of helped.? I would of held onto the banner til she so &?so paid in cash.? Give me the option to say no.? Once anyone tells me not to deposit til so & so day that's a warning sign.? In 5 years this is only the?third check that bounced.? And the second that was because of a rush job!? I learned way back in the late 80's from Kenny The Printer....We are not banks Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: David Monto To: Printowners Sent: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 4:19 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On 3/4/08 12:07 PM, "Tommy Melendez" wrote: > I second that!? I have a client I just e-mailed & been calling for weeks.? She > was a regular customer & paid on a timely matter.? She approached me on Jan > 28th & needed a RUSH Banner order?for Feb 1st.? I gave her a price & she > picked up the banner paid with a company check as always?& bounced the check > ($418.60) on us.? Now she doesn't even return our calls.? So hooked it up I'm > In! Tommy, I would rather a customer pay me with a bad check then not at all. New York makes it a crime to bounce a check. I have already almost had someone arrested for bouncing a check. First I went to bank to file a protest. Then I went to sheriffs office and had them issue a warrant for his arrest. They went to his house with the warrant and told him that if he did not pay by the next day they would be back to arrest him. He came in next morning with cash for the check, all bank fees and he also paid for my time on the matter. In New York check bouncers are liable for up to twice face amount of check. -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net -- "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Mar 4 19:16:02 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Mar 4 19:16:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers - collecting & rental property stories In-Reply-To: <012d01c87e44$63fcffe0$0500a8c0@TravisComp> References: <012d01c87e44$63fcffe0$0500a8c0@TravisComp> Message-ID: <8CA4C6D3B3B704C-858-21D8@webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> Did it feel like one of those Visa Commercials.?? "Priceless" Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 5:09 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers - collecting & rental property stories ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I saw the post on this issue and wanted to respond. Thankfully I've never really been stiffed on any large orders...we get a business card now and then but that's all I've really ever had. However, I also own many rental properties and over the years I could really tell you some stories about collecting and things dead beat renters do. I've heard every excuse possible, I've seen every trick, and through many mistakes and hard lessons learned unfortunately I've had to become very strict with my policies....I used to be a push over and ever single time I gave someone a little leniency they stuck it to me. The one turning point I remember was when had a lady move in, she paid the first months rent and I never got another penny from her. It took me 4 months to get her out of the house with $4000 worth of rent and damages owed. Good lesson here that carries over to our printing customers..I always do rental background/credit checks now and we follow the same rule in my printing business. Let me get back to collecting before I get off on another tangent about renters..anyway, I go after them even if it's a couple hundred bucks and it doesn't matter who they are. Heck, right now I get a $500 a month garnishment check from a supervisor on our local police force...I'm sure help with any speeding tickets is probably out for me..lol. It takes a little while to learn the ins and outs of the Magistrate Court System and of course your state laws..and naturally everything is geared toward the defendants advantage so you have to have a lot of patience. File your suite..once you have a judgment there are several options for collecting and sometimes you have to be creative. My best story on collecting comes after I received a judgment for several thousand dollars against a past renter. She moved out of town so I had to do a SSN search for wages in order to find her. I found her and filed a garnishment and her employer did not respond. The judge awarded me a judgment against the employer who happened to be a large chain of convenient stores. I filed a FiFa against them and was just scheduling an appt. with a sheriff's deputy...I was going to load up on gas, beer, and chips..lol. The employer at the last minute responded by having their lawyers send a 4 page letter to the judge. It was nothing but long legal mumbo jumbo but it rattled the judge enough to issue a hearing. They also sent me this treating letter saying I better go away or they would sue me for their legal expenses etc. etc. Well, that just got me fired up even more. I'll never forget that day...these three suites showed up and then there was me. The judge asked us could we work it out....I said sure but also mentioned their nasty letter...and all they would offer was my court cost of $60. So we had the hearing and to my surprise the judge gave them an ear full and I won. Oh they were pissed and I just smiled and even rode the elevator down with them! Travis Strickland Studio Designs Printing ----- Original Message ----- From: QKCONSULT@aol.com To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 3/4/2008 3:28:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, acepm2@gmail.com writes: While I agree with you...and I'm off to a hot head start, I'm pissed! This guy has been doing work with us for years. He's a congressman for hell's sake!! What a crook!! I've been doing work for him for years....and now that he lost his bid for re-election, I'm supposed to eat it? I'm supposed to drag a congressman into court? I told his campaign manager that I'm NOT too thrilled about having to eat this. They said that they were flat broke and it is tough to raise money on a campaign were they lost the primary. Damn I'm mad.... I'm real mad. I've taken on some big folks....but never a congressman. I guess there is a first for everything. Hell Thom, I've consulted for Congressmen who have gotten into printing. No big deal. What's the problem with filing a suit? Why would you worry about dragging him or his kids or wife or mother into court? Is this royalty or is he specially endowed with certain rights and privileges? Give me a break.... most of them are egotistical ass holes and he should get everything he deserves. Go after him, his wife, his kids, his manager and everyone and don't let them off the hook. Harass the hell out of them.... what is he going to do?.... call someone and complain that he is being harassed because he is a deadbeat! Shit, give me a break. You should file against everyone and make sure the newspaper and everyone else know what is going on! Of course, you do realize that whether you have been doing business with him for years or not, when it came to printing election stuff you violated one of the BIG RULES and that is political stuff is COD! Figure it this way, there is a 50-50 chance a candidate is going to lose so why take the chance of being on the loser's side and then wondering whether you will get paid. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From championprinting at yahoo.com Tue Mar 4 20:34:17 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Tue Mar 4 20:34:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers Message-ID: <90862.7069.qm@web38912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thom, So you are saying it was the actual congressman you were dealing with or was it a "friends of", "committee to reelect" or some such concoction set up as a corporation in order to avoid any personal liability should the election play out the way it did? If it was the actual congressman that you were billing, I'd go after him. I'm sure you could get a judgment against a "committee" but they probably have disbanded. The only politicians I have risked credit on are the ones who are regular business clients (b2b, not political). If it's the congressman that represents your district, he is a family acquaintance and served well for many years. I'm with you and hate to see things end this way. You should be paid. There were tons of right wing money spent on TV ads to unseat him. The ads from both sides were borderline ridiculous. His opponent accused him of not supporting the troops (a popular slogan that when repeated over and over, gains legs). His ads (equally nutty) accused his opponent of funding classes for illegal immigrants that assist them in getting drivers licenses and applying for govt. assistance. Talk about your "swift boat" attacks, all the accusations were probably very misleading. Point is, with that kind of money being thrown around, you should have gotten your cut. I've sent collection cases to court twice now. First one the customer showed up and we got a judgment against his corp which he quickly disbanded and declared bankruptcy. That was over 10 years ago. The second client didn't show and my atty. got a judgment against him personally. The judgment will follow him basically forever. Since this atty. is working on a contingency, I feel pretty sure the day will come when the former client has to pony up. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Thom Gulyas To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2008 3:26:08 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Black Listing Customers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** John, While I agree with you...and I'm off to a hot head start, I'm pissed! This guy has been doing work with us for years. He's a congressman for hell's sake!! What a crook!! I've been doing work for him for years....and now that he lost his bid for re-election, I'm supposed to eat it? I'm supposed to drag a congressman into court? I told his campaign manager that I'm NOT too thrilled about having to eat this. They said that they were flat broke and it is tough to raise money on a campaign were they lost the primary. Damn I'm mad.... I'm real mad. I've taken on some big folks....but never a congressman. I guess there is a first for everything. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 11:00 AM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 3/4/2008 10:46:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > acepm2@gmail.com writes: > > these folks that think it is "ok" to run > in, order something and then for whatever apparent reason just decide NOT > to > pay you! > > I've been hit today with a $3,800.00 bill that I doubt I will EVER > collect > on. Yeah, I could drag the guy through the trenches of court and all that > mess, but what will that get me? > > Thom, > > First, what I would like to know is how does someone just "run in, order > something and then... decide not to pay you" get away with placing an > order for > $3,800 without a credit check, credit application, personal guarantee or > something similar. > > > Second, taking someone to court, especially for that amount, seems like > it > might be well worth the effort. While it takes time, you eventually can > end up > having his office furniture, equipment, etc. attached by a sheriff, > especially if it is pretty much cut and dry as you imply. > > Third, I think you have to be very cautious about posting a "black list" > of > customers, especially if the intent is to damage their credit or > reputation in > the eyes of others. As crazy as I am, I would be very careful in that > regard. Now having his legs broken or his car destroyed would be another > matter > much more to my liking. > > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 22:02:39 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Mar 4 22:02:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] sustainable mark ups In-Reply-To: <006b01c87df9$d3b17410$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> References: <98f5b19a0802291205y101ec967s382e16311974df09@mail.gmail.com> <006b01c87df9$d3b17410$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0803041902g11b1b2e9gf4569e303097f0b6@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 8:15 AM, SOmeone wrote: > We are all going to have different starting points based > on vendors etc but if we all use reasonable markups we should all do fine. > Also look at what the markup is at your lowest qty discount. Are you still > making a profit? Okay -- everyone who is not making a profit at your most heavily discounted prices, please raise your hands. And tell us -- do you make it up on volume? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ========================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From sos at olympus.net Tue Mar 4 22:38:24 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Mar 4 22:40:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] sustainable mark ups References: <98f5b19a0802291205y101ec967s382e16311974df09@mail.gmail.com><006b01c87df9$d3b17410$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> <98f5b19a0803041902g11b1b2e9gf4569e303097f0b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <046801c87e72$5dc34930$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > Okay -- everyone who is not making a profit at your most heavily > discounted prices, please raise your hands. And tell us -- do you make > it up on volume? ========================== I bid on a job recently, 5000 6x9 post cards. 4/4. Pricing survey says, average price $1200. I felt a little foolish but I bid $400. But then I didn't get the job, because they can print it on-line for $300. I forget the name of the place, printforless.com was at $395 4over $345. But they know an even cheaper place. Setting your prices at a profitable level is one thing. Being able to sell at those prices is another. Getting any work in at all even at 25% of "average price" is yet another thing. We've heard many laments about low ball competitors over the years. Usually some sleazy garage printer. But now the low ballers are $50,000,000 to $100,000,000 dollar gang runners (4over & vistaprint are in that neighborhood) with snazzy web pages that can print better than we can with UV coating, JDF automation, etc. Pricing surveys have always shown price variations of 30% to 40%. But $300 to $1200 is 400%. I kind of feel like I'm not in the old ball park anymore. In fact I'm on the bus heading away from the ball park. We're fairly busy, actually. But nothing I can't run on copy machines. I mean digital printers. And the 2 color QM. Anybody want to buy a nice 4 color GTO? I've done five full color jobs in the last five weeks and two of those were my own in-house newsletter. Just a few thoughts at the end of a long day. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From slb at inkspot.net Tue Mar 4 22:43:00 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Mar 4 22:42:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing lists? In-Reply-To: <8CA4C6D3B3B704C-858-21D8@webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> References: <012d01c87e44$63fcffe0$0500a8c0@TravisComp> Message-ID: <47CDD074.869.B557FB10@slb.inkspot.net> A current mailing project looks like it will get us into the business of supplying mailing lists. 1. What's a good source (or sources)? I need a list of oners of single-family homes in a specific geographic area. 2. The project involves telemarketing, too (by another vendor). Do mailing lists typically include phone numbers, and have these phone numbers been "scrubbed" against the Do Not Call list(s)? 3. Any particular pitfalls about which I should be aware? TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From scott at usacolor.com Tue Mar 4 23:04:01 2008 From: scott at usacolor.com (Scott Balsiger) Date: Tue Mar 4 23:04:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] sustainable mark ups In-Reply-To: <046801c87e72$5dc34930$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <98f5b19a0802291205y101ec967s382e16311974df09@mail.gmail.com><006b01c87df9$d3b17410$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> <98f5b19a0803041902g11b1b2e9gf4569e303097f0b6@mail.gmail.com> <046801c87e72$5dc34930$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <47CE1BB1.5090807@usacolor.com> Dan, I couldnt agree more! We are still going to offer 4 color work - wholesale and retail. But after meetings with kodak and xerox - digital is the way for us. When we can get a 8.5x11 copy done for .025(.049per 11x17), how can I justify a $25hr press operator? Plus the variable data options are very exciting - it really allows your creative ideas to come to life. Scott Balsiger President USA Color Printing Inc. www.usacolor.com 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN. 56601 218-759-9126 800-759-9126 218-556-5505(Cell) 218-759-2883(fax) Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >> Okay -- everyone who is not making a profit at your most heavily >> discounted prices, please raise your hands. And tell us -- do you make >> it up on volume? > > ========================== > > I bid on a job recently, 5000 6x9 post cards. 4/4. Pricing survey > says, average price $1200. > I felt a little foolish but I bid $400. > But then I didn't get the job, because they can print it on-line for > $300. > I forget the name of the place, printforless.com was at $395 4over > $345. But they know an even cheaper place. > > Setting your prices at a profitable level is one thing. Being able to > sell at those prices is another. Getting any work in at all even at > 25% of "average price" is yet another thing. > > We've heard many laments about low ball competitors over the years. > Usually some sleazy garage printer. But now the low ballers are > $50,000,000 to $100,000,000 dollar gang runners (4over & vistaprint > are in that neighborhood) with snazzy web pages that can print better > than we can with UV coating, JDF automation, etc. > Pricing surveys have always shown price variations of 30% to 40%. But > $300 to $1200 is 400%. > > I kind of feel like I'm not in the old ball park anymore. In fact I'm > on the bus heading away from the ball park. > We're fairly busy, actually. But nothing I can't run on copy > machines. I mean digital printers. And the 2 color QM. > Anybody want to buy a nice 4 color GTO? > I've done five full color jobs in the last five weeks and two of those > were my own in-house newsletter. > > Just a few thoughts at the end of a long day. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From scott at usacolor.com Tue Mar 4 23:07:37 2008 From: scott at usacolor.com (Scott Balsiger) Date: Tue Mar 4 23:07:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing lists? In-Reply-To: <47CDD074.869.B557FB10@slb.inkspot.net> References: <012d01c87e44$63fcffe0$0500a8c0@TravisComp> <47CDD074.869.B557FB10@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <47CE1C89.6050005@usacolor.com> Most list are scrubbed - but not all. If your calling business's then it doesnt matter. You do need to specify that you need phone numbers. Scott Balsiger President USA Color Printing Inc. www.usacolor.com 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN. 56601 218-759-9126 800-759-9126 218-556-5505(Cell) 218-759-2883(fax) Steve Blatman wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >A current mailing project looks like it will get us into the business >of supplying mailing lists. > >1. What's a good source (or sources)? I need a list of oners of >single-family homes in a specific geographic area. > >2. The project involves telemarketing, too (by another vendor). Do >mailing lists typically include phone numbers, and have these phone >numbers been "scrubbed" against the Do Not Call list(s)? > >3. Any particular pitfalls about which I should be aware? > >TIA, >Steve > > > >Steve Blatman >Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >Tel: 610-647-0776 >Fax: 610-647-4560 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From eugene at zapcolor.com Wed Mar 5 00:08:50 2008 From: eugene at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Wed Mar 5 00:09:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pantone book source In-Reply-To: <20080305013426.BD198E5C4D9@rb.enter.net> References: <20080305013426.BD198E5C4D9@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <01982014-9C5D-442E-AB89-50DB745E1011@zapcolor.com> We need new Pantone books, has anyone found formula and process(bridge) books at good pricing? > Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From acepm2 at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 03:15:08 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Wed Mar 5 03:15:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing lists? In-Reply-To: <47CDD074.869.B557FB10@slb.inkspot.net> References: <012d01c87e44$63fcffe0$0500a8c0@TravisComp> <8CA4C6D3B3B704C-858-21D8@webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> <47CDD074.869.B557FB10@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: Steve, Go to nfocus.com. I'm obviously at home now (we're having some TERRIBLE T-STORMS at the moment and I can't sleep!) but when I get into the office I'll email you his contact info. You will be very, very pleased with his products. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Steve Blatman wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > A current mailing project looks like it will get us into the business > of supplying mailing lists. > > 1. What's a good source (or sources)? I need a list of oners of > single-family homes in a specific geographic area. > > 2. The project involves telemarketing, too (by another vendor). Do > mailing lists typically include phone numbers, and have these phone > numbers been "scrubbed" against the Do Not Call list(s)? > > 3. Any particular pitfalls about which I should be aware? > > TIA, > Steve > > > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From acepm2 at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 03:16:40 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Wed Mar 5 03:17:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing lists? In-Reply-To: References: <012d01c87e44$63fcffe0$0500a8c0@TravisComp> <8CA4C6D3B3B704C-858-21D8@webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> <47CDD074.869.B557FB10@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: Whoops! Wrong url.... try this one: http://www.nfocusconsulting.com/ On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 3:15 AM, Thom Gulyas wrote: > Steve, > > Go to nfocus.com. I'm obviously at home now (we're having some TERRIBLE > T-STORMS at the moment and I can't sleep!) but when I get into the office > I'll email you his contact info. You will be very, very pleased with his > products. > > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > www.acepm.com > > > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Steve Blatman wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > A current mailing project looks like it will get us into the business > > of supplying mailing lists. > > > > 1. What's a good source (or sources)? I need a list of oners of > > single-family homes in a specific geographic area. > > > > 2. The project involves telemarketing, too (by another vendor). Do > > mailing lists typically include phone numbers, and have these phone > > numbers been "scrubbed" against the Do Not Call list(s)? > > > > 3. Any particular pitfalls about which I should be aware? > > > > TIA, > > Steve > > > > > > > > Steve Blatman > > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > > Tel: 610-647-0776 > > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > -- > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > Berlin, Maryland 21811 > www.acepm.com -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From david.doost at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 06:05:36 2008 From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost) Date: Wed Mar 5 06:05:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing lists? In-Reply-To: <47CDD074.869.B557FB10@slb.inkspot.net> References: <012d01c87e44$63fcffe0$0500a8c0@TravisComp> <47CDD074.869.B557FB10@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <47ce7e75.2586460a.1016.1de2@mx.google.com> Steve, Accudata has been a very good source for us. You can become a reseller -ask them how. http://www.accudata.com/ David Doost Printing Impression Kennesaw, GA 30144 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 10:43 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing lists? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** A current mailing project looks like it will get us into the business of supplying mailing lists. 1. What's a good source (or sources)? I need a list of oners of single-family homes in a specific geographic area. 2. The project involves telemarketing, too (by another vendor). Do mailing lists typically include phone numbers, and have these phone numbers been "scrubbed" against the Do Not Call list(s)? 3. Any particular pitfalls about which I should be aware? TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From markath1 at verizon.net Wed Mar 5 06:56:12 2008 From: markath1 at verizon.net (Rick Martin) Date: Wed Mar 5 06:56:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pantone book source In-Reply-To: <01982014-9C5D-442E-AB89-50DB745E1011@zapcolor.com> Message-ID: <001e01c87eb7$ec771040$660a0a0a@advanced8l9v8x> Best price we found when we last replaced them was from our ink supplier. Rick Martin Advanced Print & Copy 229 Memorial Avenue W Springfield, MA 01089 413-736-9808 markath1@verizon.net www.advancedprintandcopy.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Montanez Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:09 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Pantone book source ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We need new Pantone books, has anyone found formula and process(bridge) books at good pricing? > Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From printian at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 07:10:28 2008 From: printian at gmail.com (Ian Franks) Date: Wed Mar 5 07:17:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] MGI Meteor Message-ID: Hi Guys I have just had the Rep visit from MAN. They represent Ryobi and Roland presses in South Africa amongst other names. They are launching the MGI Meteor in SA http://mgi.celeonet.fr/v2/fiche_meteorDP60PRO_sp-us.html I will go for a demo soon but it looks good and has a side lay feeding system. Anyone seen this or had any experience The cost looks high and was told about R1 million. -- Regards Ian Franks Print Image 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo, JHB Ph 011 447 3133 Fax 011 447 0642 sales@printimage.co.za www.printimage.co.za From jdaghir at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 09:28:17 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Wed Mar 5 09:28:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Resurrecting Info from Floppy In-Reply-To: <2ACA859A-83AE-43B6-A4AB-EB68C3F1366B@interiorgraphics.com> References: <2ACA859A-83AE-43B6-A4AB-EB68C3F1366B@interiorgraphics.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620803050628l51c54b4cq938c6cc0cb402c06@mail.gmail.com> Floppies are notoriously unreliable. You might try reading them in a different drive if you have one available (not just the same drive in a different computer). Sometimes slight differences in head geometry will allow one drive to read a disk that another cannot. But I wouldn't put much faith, or time into it. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Michelle said: > I have inherited a safe full of floppy disks with my business > purchase. Most of the floppies aren't worth anything (wait a minute > - is there a market on ebay for Windows 3.0 startup floppies?) > However, there are boxes of eps clip art files that I would like to > put on my hard drive so I can use them. From John at mpcny.com Wed Mar 5 09:43:27 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Wed Mar 5 09:43:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ondemand review Message-ID: <002f01c87ecf$4659f610$d30de230$@com> I just got back from Boston, had some drinks Monday night with Chuck Pappas, his wife, Stacy and her roommate Willow. Also got to meet Mark Hagger (sp) and he even grabbed the bar tab. Thanks! Walked the floor, concentrating on digital boxes. I need to upgrade this year. Jeff Hayzlett from Kodak was all over the place and shaking hands. Most others were there. Interesting all the Purl booths was not as busy as I have seen them. Seemed people have looked at them or did not know what they do. Morgana, Duplo and others had the same you see in Chicago or other major shows. Mailing and lots of PDF plug ins but I am set on that so did not spend much time. Same with Web to print. Did not see a big EFI booth not sure what that means. Did see XmPi, MS, Quark and others. They even had presses! Presstek was there with their DI both the 34 and 52. Some large format but I was on digital mission. Creo and EFI were manning each vendor's booth. I was pretty disappointed that a year after the Adobe PDF engine was introduced; only Kodak is shipping rips based on it. The others are all promising too late this year or early next year. Creo looks to be the closest, they may by fall. The new Kodak M700 and Canon 7000vp is the same basic unit with the same engine but with different front ends. Canon claims they make new updates faster, Kodak says they have better color and newer rip (adobe pdf eng, canon is gen behind) The Kodak gets the nexpress 5 front end and the Canon you pick from I think 2, the Efi, Creo. They both start around $175,000. Canon has far more finisher options on theirs. Kodak has more user replaceable parts kits and claims lower cost of ownership and down time. Canon just at ondemand (went yesterday) showed 2 new units. The 6000vp and 6000. Same box as the 7000 just slowed down the 6000vp is $25,000 less than the 7000. The plain 6000 is just under $100,000. The major difference is the 6000 slows down on cover stocks, the 2 others run at rated. Remember key is the VP in the name; VP means no slow down on any stock. The plain 6000 also clicks 2 times of 11x17 the other 2 do not. Kodak is not selling them. Looked at all the units and was very impressed with the Canon. That said the hottest box was the KM6500 + a rumor that was not killed, is that KM will have a faster box soon a 8500???. All the others are in a scramble to meet the price performance of the KM. Xerox had the 5000, 7000 and 8000 with an Igen. The 5000-8000 is based on the old 2060 and 6060 frames. Very good, but I think not as good as the Canon 7000. They also have the 242-252-260. I just think the KM 6500 is a better buy at this time. Ricoh is out to lunch with w 75 cpm box that the color not great. Feeds limited cover stocks has a higher click rate and 2 clicks per 11x17. If you do letter only, on lighter stocks is the only reason to even look at this one. Oce had some nice units for some niche markets as HP did also. My take was if your in the $40-70,000 range, the KM6500 or even KM5500 (same box slowed down) Canon at this time is not in the ball game. Xerox is with the 242-260 and if service is great in your area a valid choice. $150-200,000 the Canon 7000 (I prefer the M700 with the Kodak rip) Kodak has lowered the cost per page on both the M700 and nexpress. $300,000+ Igen or Nexpress. Kodak also has lowered the CPC and has a new click based plan. The Igen is well the Igen. Keynote on simplify or slimming down the web and other technology. Google keeps their home simple, why? Many now use wireless and handheld devices. If you have to wait to load a large site or sit while loading a flash they skip your site. Other factor 3 touch rule. If you cannot get to what you want in 3 clicks, users leave for simpler solutions. Time and time again a simplified solution will win out. That said it still has to meet the requirements. Ask this how difficult do I (my firm) make it to do business with me? Ordering, paying and so on. Think simplify and how can I make buying from us faster simpler. Final note, the prediction at the keynote was color cost per page will be .02 Or below in 3-4 years. P.S. if you're at the show or VP of NAQP Christina is in the back booth, tell her hello, she will love to meet you. Next year's show is in Philly around the first week in April. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1312 - Release Date: 3/4/2008 9:46 PM From segass at heritageprinting.com Wed Mar 5 10:23:45 2008 From: segass at heritageprinting.com (Steve Gass) Date: Wed Mar 5 10:24:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Kodak M700 and Canon 7000vp In-Reply-To: <002f01c87ecf$4659f610$d30de230$@com> Message-ID: <001b01c87ed4$e7a1db50$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> John, On new Kodak M700 and Canon 7000vp, what are the speeds for 12x18 2 sided 100# cover gloss paper? And are you looking for booklet capabilities on the digital box that you chose? With your evaluation, does it make cent to have a few (2 or3) of the KM6500s instead one BIG digital box. What do you see as the PROs and CONs between the Bigger Digital Box (Kodak M700/Canon 7000vp) and the KM6500s. What is the rumored price on the KM8500? Thanks, Steve Gass Heritage Printing & Graphics, Inc. Cell: 240-298-0102 Our Mission: To help your company achieve better results by improving the image you project in the marketplace. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:43 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: SPAM-LOW: [PrintOwners] Ondemand review Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I just got back from Boston, had some drinks Monday night with Chuck Pappas, his wife, Stacy and her roommate Willow. Also got to meet Mark Hagger (sp) and he even grabbed the bar tab. Thanks! Walked the floor, concentrating on digital boxes. I need to upgrade this year. Jeff Hayzlett from Kodak was all over the place and shaking hands. Most others were there. Interesting all the Purl booths was not as busy as I have seen them. Seemed people have looked at them or did not know what they do. Morgana, Duplo and others had the same you see in Chicago or other major shows. Mailing and lots of PDF plug ins but I am set on that so did not spend much time. Same with Web to print. Did not see a big EFI booth not sure what that means. Did see XmPi, MS, Quark and others. They even had presses! Presstek was there with their DI both the 34 and 52. Some large format but I was on digital mission. Creo and EFI were manning each vendor's booth. I was pretty disappointed that a year after the Adobe PDF engine was introduced; only Kodak is shipping rips based on it. The others are all promising too late this year or early next year. Creo looks to be the closest, they may by fall. The new Kodak M700 and Canon 7000vp is the same basic unit with the same engine but with different front ends. Canon claims they make new updates faster, Kodak says they have better color and newer rip (adobe pdf eng, canon is gen behind) The Kodak gets the nexpress 5 front end and the Canon you pick from I think 2, the Efi, Creo. They both start around $175,000. Canon has far more finisher options on theirs. Kodak has more user replaceable parts kits and claims lower cost of ownership and down time. Canon just at ondemand (went yesterday) showed 2 new units. The 6000vp and 6000. Same box as the 7000 just slowed down the 6000vp is $25,000 less than the 7000. The plain 6000 is just under $100,000. The major difference is the 6000 slows down on cover stocks, the 2 others run at rated. Remember key is the VP in the name; VP means no slow down on any stock. The plain 6000 also clicks 2 times of 11x17 the other 2 do not. Kodak is not selling them. Looked at all the units and was very impressed with the Canon. That said the hottest box was the KM6500 + a rumor that was not killed, is that KM will have a faster box soon a 8500???. All the others are in a scramble to meet the price performance of the KM. Xerox had the 5000, 7000 and 8000 with an Igen. The 5000-8000 is based on the old 2060 and 6060 frames. Very good, but I think not as good as the Canon 7000. They also have the 242-252-260. I just think the KM 6500 is a better buy at this time. Ricoh is out to lunch with w 75 cpm box that the color not great. Feeds limited cover stocks has a higher click rate and 2 clicks per 11x17. If you do letter only, on lighter stocks is the only reason to even look at this one. Oce had some nice units for some niche markets as HP did also. My take was if your in the $40-70,000 range, the KM6500 or even KM5500 (same box slowed down) Canon at this time is not in the ball game. Xerox is with the 242-260 and if service is great in your area a valid choice. $150-200,000 the Canon 7000 (I prefer the M700 with the Kodak rip) Kodak has lowered the cost per page on both the M700 and nexpress. $300,000+ Igen or Nexpress. Kodak also has lowered the CPC and has a new click based plan. The Igen is well the Igen. Keynote on simplify or slimming down the web and other technology. Google keeps their home simple, why? Many now use wireless and handheld devices. If you have to wait to load a large site or sit while loading a flash they skip your site. Other factor 3 touch rule. If you cannot get to what you want in 3 clicks, users leave for simpler solutions. Time and time again a simplified solution will win out. That said it still has to meet the requirements. Ask this how difficult do I (my firm) make it to do business with me? Ordering, paying and so on. Think simplify and how can I make buying from us faster simpler. Final note, the prediction at the keynote was color cost per page will be .02 Or below in 3-4 years. P.S. if you're at the show or VP of NAQP Christina is in the back booth, tell her hello, she will love to meet you. Next year's show is in Philly around the first week in April. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1312 - Release Date: 3/4/2008 9:46 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Mar 5 11:30:16 2008 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Mar 5 11:30:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] "Offer letter/agreement" In-Reply-To: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D502705EC@mail1.datapalette.local> Message-ID: We're about to put on a new salesperson, and I'm wondering if anybody out there has an "offer letter/agreement" they'd be willing to share. I'm not talking about a non-compete (we've got one, along with samples of others), but something formal that specifies how the person will be compensated. TIA Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: PrintOwnersNG@googlegroups.com [mailto:PrintOwnersNG@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Andrew LeWinter Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 7:45 AM To: PrintOwnersNG@googlegroups.com Subject: [PONG] Re: Black Listing Customers Taking a congressman to court would be a good option. First, he probably wouldn't want the publicity that he was a deadbeat. Second, if you get a judgment, and he doesn't pay, that wouldn't look good on the public records for the next campaign. Local newspapers would eat it up. Andrew LeWinter Printing Resource of NY/NJ 43-34 32nd Place Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: PrintOwnersNG@googlegroups.com [mailto:PrintOwnersNG@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of michael@sirspeedy7099.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 7:18 PM To: PrintOwnersNG@googlegroups.com Subject: [PONG] Re: Black Listing Customers Thom, I think we all received or where reminded by the the good advice that was given in reply to your post. I can understand you being pissed as I would be to. Congressman or not I'd take him to court, it would be worth the trouble. Since his caimpaign is over reporting him to the PIA credit listing isn't worth much but I'd do so also. Good luck, Michael Brown Sir Speedy Printing Center 443 West Chester Pike Havertown PA 19083-4595 (610) 789-2685 Fax (610) 789-2695 michael@sirspeedy7099.com www.sirspeedy7099.com >-----Original Message----- >From: Thom Gulyas [mailto:acepm2@gmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2008 10:44 AM >To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only', 'printownersng' >Subject: [PONG] Black Listing Customers > >I want to know something from you all this morning. I want to start a >website listing that would house these folks that think it is "ok" to run >in, order something and then for whatever apparent reason just decide NOT to >pay you! > >I've been hit today with a $3,800.00 bill that I doubt I will EVER collect >on. Yeah, I could drag the guy through the trenches of court and all that >mess, but what will that get me? Especially if they don't "have anything or >own anything" to begin with!! > >Damn.... I'm serious. Would you be willing to post your most noncollectable >accounts online where the rest of us could see them? > >......it's not like someone is going to go in and steal your customer. Hell, >if they want them, let them have them! > >-- >Thom Gulyas >ACE Printing & Mailing >Berlin, Maryland 21811 >www.acepm.com > >> > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Print Owners News Group (PONG) To start a NEW TOPIC, create a NEW email and send to: PrintOwnersNG@googlegroups.com To UNSUBSCRIBE, send an email to: PrintOwnersNG-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com To Search the message ARCHIVES, goto PONG website: http://groups.google.com/group/PrintOwnersNG -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From brianoday at eprint.us Wed Mar 5 12:05:54 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Wed Mar 5 12:08:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ondemand review In-Reply-To: <002f01c87ecf$4659f610$d30de230$@com> References: <002f01c87ecf$4659f610$d30de230$@com> Message-ID: <003301c87ee3$2c598780$800101df@eprint.local> John Great review. I appreciate your input. Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 6:43 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Ondemand review Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I just got back from Boston, had some drinks Monday night with Chuck Pappas, his wife, Stacy and her roommate Willow. Also got to meet Mark Hagger (sp) and he even grabbed the bar tab. Thanks! Walked the floor, concentrating on digital boxes. I need to upgrade this year. Jeff Hayzlett from Kodak was all over the place and shaking hands. Most others were there. Interesting all the Purl booths was not as busy as I have seen them. Seemed people have looked at them or did not know what they do. Morgana, Duplo and others had the same you see in Chicago or other major shows. Mailing and lots of PDF plug ins but I am set on that so did not spend much time. Same with Web to print. Did not see a big EFI booth not sure what that means. Did see XmPi, MS, Quark and others. They even had presses! Presstek was there with their DI both the 34 and 52. Some large format but I was on digital mission. Creo and EFI were manning each vendor's booth. I was pretty disappointed that a year after the Adobe PDF engine was introduced; only Kodak is shipping rips based on it. The others are all promising too late this year or early next year. Creo looks to be the closest, they may by fall. The new Kodak M700 and Canon 7000vp is the same basic unit with the same engine but with different front ends. Canon claims they make new updates faster, Kodak says they have better color and newer rip (adobe pdf eng, canon is gen behind) The Kodak gets the nexpress 5 front end and the Canon you pick from I think 2, the Efi, Creo. They both start around $175,000. Canon has far more finisher options on theirs. Kodak has more user replaceable parts kits and claims lower cost of ownership and down time. Canon just at ondemand (went yesterday) showed 2 new units. The 6000vp and 6000. Same box as the 7000 just slowed down the 6000vp is $25,000 less than the 7000. The plain 6000 is just under $100,000. The major difference is the 6000 slows down on cover stocks, the 2 others run at rated. Remember key is the VP in the name; VP means no slow down on any stock. The plain 6000 also clicks 2 times of 11x17 the other 2 do not. Kodak is not selling them. Looked at all the units and was very impressed with the Canon. That said the hottest box was the KM6500 + a rumor that was not killed, is that KM will have a faster box soon a 8500???. All the others are in a scramble to meet the price performance of the KM. Xerox had the 5000, 7000 and 8000 with an Igen. The 5000-8000 is based on the old 2060 and 6060 frames. Very good, but I think not as good as the Canon 7000. They also have the 242-252-260. I just think the KM 6500 is a better buy at this time. Ricoh is out to lunch with w 75 cpm box that the color not great. Feeds limited cover stocks has a higher click rate and 2 clicks per 11x17. If you do letter only, on lighter stocks is the only reason to even look at this one. Oce had some nice units for some niche markets as HP did also. My take was if your in the $40-70,000 range, the KM6500 or even KM5500 (same box slowed down) Canon at this time is not in the ball game. Xerox is with the 242-260 and if service is great in your area a valid choice. $150-200,000 the Canon 7000 (I prefer the M700 with the Kodak rip) Kodak has lowered the cost per page on both the M700 and nexpress. $300,000+ Igen or Nexpress. Kodak also has lowered the CPC and has a new click based plan. The Igen is well the Igen. Keynote on simplify or slimming down the web and other technology. Google keeps their home simple, why? Many now use wireless and handheld devices. If you have to wait to load a large site or sit while loading a flash they skip your site. Other factor 3 touch rule. If you cannot get to what you want in 3 clicks, users leave for simpler solutions. Time and time again a simplified solution will win out. That said it still has to meet the requirements. Ask this how difficult do I (my firm) make it to do business with me? Ordering, paying and so on. Think simplify and how can I make buying from us faster simpler. Final note, the prediction at the keynote was color cost per page will be .02 Or below in 3-4 years. P.S. if you're at the show or VP of NAQP Christina is in the back booth, tell her hello, she will love to meet you. Next year's show is in Philly around the first week in April. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1312 - Release Date: 3/4/2008 9:46 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Wed Mar 5 12:08:50 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Wed Mar 5 12:09:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Kodak M700 and Canon 7000vp (Steve Gass) In-Reply-To: <20080305152417.49FD4E5DE26@rb.enter.net> References: <20080305152417.49FD4E5DE26@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <003201c87ee3$95783c20$c068b460$@com> On new Kodak M700 and Canon 7000vp, what are the speeds for 12x18 2 sided 100# cover gloss paper?--------------------------- 35 per min on any stock for 11x17 And are you looking for booklet capabilities on the digital box that you chose? -------------------- Yes/no not sure if I want to do online, am leaning to using our Air feed twin tower. With your evaluation, does it make cent to have a few (2 or3) of the KM6500s Instead one BIG digital box. --------------------------- Big question! I still weighing this one. Right now? I would buy one 6500 and add the newer KM when (if) it comes outs. What do you see as the PROs and CONs between the Bigger Digital Box (Kodak M700/Canon 7000vp) and the KM6500s. The color is bit better and speed. I also think the day to day print consistency is better on the bigger boxes. (not that it is bad on the KM) Back to front register is better on the large box. Not a lot but it is. That said the 7000/m700 is equal to a Igen or Nexpress to my eye in color quality. Also only Xerox and Kodak have lowered the cost per copy on currently machines in the field. KM will never get cheaper as you own it. What is the rumored price on the KM8500?-I have heard nothing on pricing. WAG? $80-100,000 John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1312 - Release Date: 3/4/2008 9:46 PM From eugene at zapcolor.com Wed Mar 5 12:48:31 2008 From: eugene at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Wed Mar 5 12:48:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Pantone book source In-Reply-To: <20080305152417.49FD4E5DE26@rb.enter.net> References: <20080305152417.49FD4E5DE26@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: I guess I am being told our ink supplier is not as nice as yours, but I'll check again. My manager said he heard their was a good internet source???? Best price we found when we last replaced them was from our ink supplier. Rick Martin Advanced Print & Copy 229 Memorial Avenue W Springfield, MA 01089 413-736-9808 markath1@verizon.net www.advancedprintandcopy.com On Mar 5, 2008, at 7:24 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > 2. RE: Pantone book source (Rick Martin) Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Wed Mar 5 13:20:44 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Wed Mar 5 13:20:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Pantone book source In-Reply-To: References: <20080305152417.49FD4E5DE26@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <3FA7AB28-D9AD-43B1-930B-5D87B7381248@falconprintandcopy.com> We've sweet talked Xpedx into discounting for us before. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com On Mar 5, 2008, at 12:48 PM, Eugene Montanez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I guess I am being told our ink supplier is not as nice as yours, > but I'll check again. > > My manager said he heard their was a good internet source???? > > > > Best price we found when we last replaced them was from our ink > supplier. > > Rick Martin > Advanced Print & Copy > 229 Memorial Avenue > W Springfield, MA 01089 > 413-736-9808 > markath1@verizon.net > www.advancedprintandcopy.com > On Mar 5, 2008, at 7:24 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > >> 2. RE: Pantone book source (Rick Martin) > > Eugene Montanez > ZAP Printing & Graphics > 127 Radio Rd > Corona, CA 92879 > 951-734-8181 > > Zapit@zapcolor.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From slb at inkspot.net Wed Mar 5 13:40:37 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Mar 5 13:50:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] WinXP Techie question In-Reply-To: References: <20080305152417.49FD4E5DE26@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <47CEA2D5.17491.1BE08EF@slb.inkspot.net> Can anyone tell me where on a typical Windows boot disk the registry information is stored? TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From dominick at fmtc.com Wed Mar 5 13:56:22 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Wed Mar 5 13:56:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Corner rounder Message-ID: <47CEECD6.3030301@fmtc.com> Fellow Printers Anybody got the corner rounder attachment for the single spindle Challenge Century Drill, laying around collecting dust? NEED ONE RIGHT AWAY!!! (like tomorrow?) Got a rush job that the bindery houses cannot meet deadline. Need 3/8" die, but would suffer with 1/4. Call or e-me right away!!! Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! From John at mpcny.com Wed Mar 5 15:07:24 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Wed Mar 5 15:07:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Dead beats Message-ID: <007e01c87efc$8760b720$96222560$@com> What about doing this, I cannot find anything saying it is illegal. For $7.99 on godaddy you can register the domain www.congressman(name)deadbeat.com and host it for like $5 a month. Post index page with his bill and a counter showing how many days old and the interest incurred. For less than $20 of your money I bet he will pay and quick. As a bonus if the bill is paid in full, you will turn ownership of it to him if he is Democrat send a PR to Fox news and Rush and I bet someone will pick it up. If Republican I am sure liberal bloggers would love it. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1312 - Release Date: 3/4/2008 9:46 PM From printer at ptialaska.net Wed Mar 5 15:21:27 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Wed Mar 5 15:21:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Suction on QM-46 Message-ID: <7DE8F1A9-AC56-4FA3-B685-4CD26C1D7594@ptialaska.net> It seems the suction has decreased on our QM-46 and am wondering if there is something going on, we checked the filter and it is fine. Thanks, _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From armand at curryonline.com Wed Mar 5 15:53:04 2008 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Wed Mar 5 15:53:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] WinXP Techie question In-Reply-To: <47CEA2D5.17491.1BE08EF@slb.inkspot.net> References: <20080305152417.49FD4E5DE26@rb.enter.net> <47CEA2D5.17491.1BE08EF@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <063701c87f02$e8a9bf80$b9fd3e80$@com> \WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\CONFIG Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing Auburn, ME 04210 armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 1:41 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] WinXP Techie question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Can anyone tell me where on a typical Windows boot disk the registry information is stored? TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From greg at pressexpress.org Wed Mar 5 17:13:11 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed Mar 5 17:13:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Suction on QM-46 In-Reply-To: <7DE8F1A9-AC56-4FA3-B685-4CD26C1D7594@ptialaska.net> References: <7DE8F1A9-AC56-4FA3-B685-4CD26C1D7594@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <42B9FB4D-F342-4528-9355-ABE5AF71F7E3@pressexpress.org> Behind the feed table, there is a junction box that has many hoses. I have had one pop loose. I think for me it effected blowing, not vacuum. The feed table is a real bear to take apart. I spent about 2 hours just to re clamp one hose, but there was no other way to get back there. Just a theory. Greg On Mar 5, 2008, at 2:21 PM, Charles A. Lincoln wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > It seems the suction has decreased on our QM-46 and am wondering if > there is something going on, we checked the filter and it is fine. > > Thanks, > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au Wed Mar 5 20:09:38 2008 From: Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au (Harry Brelsford) Date: Wed Mar 5 20:09:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ondemand review In-Reply-To: <002f01c87ecf$4659f610$d30de230$@com> References: <002f01c87ecf$4659f610$d30de230$@com> Message-ID: Thanks John, Great for us who are over the seas and far away. Harry -- Harry Brelsford Varsity Graphics Shop 2 - 195 Varsity Parade Varsity Lakes QLD 4227 Australia Ph: 61 7 5575 9417 Fax: 61 7 5575 8091 Harry@VarsityGraphics.com.au From slb at inkspot.net Wed Mar 5 20:21:36 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Mar 5 20:20:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] WinXP Techie question In-Reply-To: <063701c87f02$e8a9bf80$b9fd3e80$@com> References: <47CEA2D5.17491.1BE08EF@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <47CF00D0.2422.32D24AC@slb.inkspot.net> Thanks, Armand. That was exactly what I was looking for. Steve > > \WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\CONFIG > > Armand Girard > Curry Printing & Mailing > Auburn, ME 04210 > > armand@curryonline.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 1:41 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] WinXP Techie question > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Can anyone tell me where on a typical Windows boot disk the registry > information is stored? > > TIA, > Steve > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2924 (20080305) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Thu Mar 6 10:07:03 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Thu Mar 6 10:09:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] WinXP Techie question In-Reply-To: <47CF00D0.2422.32D24AC@slb.inkspot.net> References: <47CEA2D5.17491.1BE08EF@slb.inkspot.net> <47CF00D0.2422.32D24AC@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <47D00897.2080509@satx.rr.com> Part of it is also in the user.dat file in the documents and settings folder of the user of the machine. I f memory serves there is at least one other part of the hive (what MS calls all the components that make up the registry) tucked away in another spot. I'll pull out my MSCS book and look it up. It's data I don't use often and I remembered it just long enough to take the test. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Steve Blatman wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thanks, Armand. That was exactly what I was looking for. > > Steve > > > >> \WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\CONFIG >> >> Armand Girard >> Curry Printing & Mailing >> Auburn, ME 04210 >> >> armand@curryonline.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman >> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 1:41 PM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: [PrintOwners] WinXP Techie question >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Can anyone tell me where on a typical Windows boot disk the registry >> information is stored? >> >> TIA, >> Steve >> >> Steve Blatman >> Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >> 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >> Tel: 610-647-0776 >> Fax: 610-647-4560 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 2924 (20080305) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From armand at curryonline.com Thu Mar 6 10:25:16 2008 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Thu Mar 6 10:25:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] WinXP Techie question In-Reply-To: <47D00897.2080509@satx.rr.com> References: <47CEA2D5.17491.1BE08EF@slb.inkspot.net> <47CF00D0.2422.32D24AC@slb.inkspot.net> <47D00897.2080509@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <07ea01c87f9e$481bf050$d853d0f0$@com> True. I overlooked one key, the USER key. To find the hive list and file locations, look at: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\hivelist That tells all. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing Auburn, ME 04210 armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Ewing Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 10:07 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] WinXP Techie question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Part of it is also in the user.dat file in the documents and settings folder of the user of the machine. I f memory serves there is at least one other part of the hive (what MS calls all the components that make up the registry) tucked away in another spot. I'll pull out my MSCS book and look it up. It's data I don't use often and I remembered it just long enough to take the test. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Steve Blatman wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thanks, Armand. That was exactly what I was looking for. > > Steve > > > >> \WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\CONFIG >> >> Armand Girard >> Curry Printing & Mailing >> Auburn, ME 04210 >> >> armand@curryonline.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman >> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 1:41 PM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: [PrintOwners] WinXP Techie question >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Can anyone tell me where on a typical Windows boot disk the registry >> information is stored? >> >> TIA, >> Steve >> >> Steve Blatman >> Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >> 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >> Tel: 610-647-0776 >> Fax: 610-647-4560 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 2924 (20080305) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From segass at heritageprinting.com Thu Mar 6 10:37:59 2008 From: segass at heritageprinting.com (Steve Gass) Date: Thu Mar 6 10:38:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Is anybody using Presstek Aurora Plates In-Reply-To: <003201c87ee3$95783c20$c068b460$@com> Message-ID: <00ac01c87fa0$0ecefc00$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> Hello, Is anybody using Presstek Aurora Plates? Thanks, Steve Gass Prepress Manager Heritage Printing & Graphics, Inc. Cell: 240-298-0102 Visit our NEW website at www.heritageprinting.com Our Mission: To help your company achieve better results by improving the image you project in the marketplace. From bob at bandbduplicators.com Thu Mar 6 10:41:43 2008 From: bob at bandbduplicators.com (Bob Leaberry) Date: Thu Mar 6 10:42:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Suction on QM-46 In-Reply-To: <7DE8F1A9-AC56-4FA3-B685-4CD26C1D7594@ptialaska.net> References: <7DE8F1A9-AC56-4FA3-B685-4CD26C1D7594@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: Your getting a powder buildup,just reverse the hoses for 6 months it will clean out. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charles A. Lincoln Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 3:21 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Suction on QM-46 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** It seems the suction has decreased on our QM-46 and am wondering if there is something going on, we checked the filter and it is fine. Thanks, _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jdaghir at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 12:14:08 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Thu Mar 6 12:14:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Font Servers/Management In-Reply-To: <9BB19A13-7F1C-4A48-8A84-46D3F92BFADB@falconprintandcopy.com> References: <20080304181147.7D5EEE5B1BA@rb.enter.net> <2BD0F5BA-CDA1-43C8-91A5-C6DD8465B3B3@commercialpressink.com> <9BB19A13-7F1C-4A48-8A84-46D3F92BFADB@falconprintandcopy.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620803060914h5759fdden674546e0ad367d59@mail.gmail.com> We have all fonts stored in a central location on our server. We have Suitcase installed on our Workstations and Suitcase loads fonts temporarily as necessary from the server. Suitcase Server would be nice because it would keep Suitcase's font libraries on the workstations current & synchronized but it was a little too expensive for our needs - we only have 2 workstations. Without Suitcase Server, if someone adds a font to our collection on the server, the font also has to be manually added to Suitcase on the Workstations. We are entirely Windows based so we don't have any Mac to Windows font issues. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We're a pretty small shop, and really only have 3 computers we do any > graphic work on. We still have font issues sometimes, and have pretty > well worked around them using Cross Font to convert mac fonts pc, and > vice versa. I have considered getting a server version of suitcase > (we're finally upgrading to a proper server instead of using my > computer to network everything), but don't know if its worth the money/ > effort, specifically for our environment. Can I get some information > on what everyone's using, whether or not they're happy with it, and > how much it helps? Thanks! From jdaghir at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 12:14:08 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Thu Mar 6 12:21:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Font Servers/Management In-Reply-To: <9BB19A13-7F1C-4A48-8A84-46D3F92BFADB@falconprintandcopy.com> References: <20080304181147.7D5EEE5B1BA@rb.enter.net> <2BD0F5BA-CDA1-43C8-91A5-C6DD8465B3B3@commercialpressink.com> <9BB19A13-7F1C-4A48-8A84-46D3F92BFADB@falconprintandcopy.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620803060914h5759fdden674546e0ad367d59@mail.gmail.com> We have all fonts stored in a central location on our server. We have Suitcase installed on our Workstations and Suitcase loads fonts temporarily as necessary from the server. Suitcase Server would be nice because it would keep Suitcase's font libraries on the workstations current & synchronized but it was a little too expensive for our needs - we only have 2 workstations. Without Suitcase Server, if someone adds a font to our collection on the server, the font also has to be manually added to Suitcase on the Workstations. We are entirely Windows based so we don't have any Mac to Windows font issues. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We're a pretty small shop, and really only have 3 computers we do any > graphic work on. We still have font issues sometimes, and have pretty > well worked around them using Cross Font to convert mac fonts pc, and > vice versa. I have considered getting a server version of suitcase > (we're finally upgrading to a proper server instead of using my > computer to network everything), but don't know if its worth the money/ > effort, specifically for our environment. Can I get some information > on what everyone's using, whether or not they're happy with it, and > how much it helps? Thanks! From priorityprinting at comcast.net Thu Mar 6 15:03:23 2008 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Thu Mar 6 15:03:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Translucent Postcards Message-ID: <030620082003.14938.47D04E0B000965F700003A5A22007511500902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Does anyone have a source for translucent plastic which can be printed on? A customer of ours brought in a sample postcard, printed in full color. The plastic was equivalent to a 16 pt. stock. She would like to use this material for a mailing of her own. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 810 487-1700 From steve at digitalprintink.net Thu Mar 6 15:03:37 2008 From: steve at digitalprintink.net (Steve Counts) Date: Thu Mar 6 15:04:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] "Offer letter/agreement" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080306200412.880ADE61472@rb.enter.net> I do not have a formal document but one of the best ideas I have heard for any compensation for salespeople should be tied to activity. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:30 AM To: PrintOwnersNG@googlegroups.com; printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] "Offer letter/agreement" ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We're about to put on a new salesperson, and I'm wondering if anybody out there has an "offer letter/agreement" they'd be willing to share. I'm not talking about a non-compete (we've got one, along with samples of others), but something formal that specifies how the person will be compensated. TIA Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz From jgross at techiowa.com Thu Mar 6 15:09:29 2008 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Thu Mar 6 15:10:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] "Offer letter/agreement" In-Reply-To: <20080306200412.880ADE61472@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <006101c87fc5$ff65b6c0$1e00000a@tech.local> We just write a memo of understanding spelling it all out and both sign it. Don't forget to give accounting a copy. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc Iowa City, Iowa 52240 techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Counts Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:04 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] "Offer letter/agreement" ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I do not have a formal document but one of the best ideas I have heard for any compensation for salespeople should be tied to activity. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:30 AM To: PrintOwnersNG@googlegroups.com; printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] "Offer letter/agreement" ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We're about to put on a new salesperson, and I'm wondering if anybody out there has an "offer letter/agreement" they'd be willing to share. I'm not talking about a non-compete (we've got one, along with samples of others), but something formal that specifies how the person will be compensated. TIA Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jacemeister at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 16:53:45 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Thu Mar 6 16:53:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Morgana Numbering Machine Message-ID: I'm planning to buy a Morgana Creaser soon, and I'm thinking about bundling it with a Morgana FSN2 Numbering Machine. It is an air-fed machine and I'm told it is also marketed by Standard as their SRN-9 model. I've heard lots about the Creaser and I'm sold on it, but does anyone own or have experience with this numbering machine? Any knowledge or information you could share would be appreciated. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com From jdaghir at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 18:30:01 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Thu Mar 6 18:30:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Morgana Numbering Machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83d5b9620803061530ta35a5c2x6da8b382d90fb8e7@mail.gmail.com> In the dim receeses of my brain, I seem to recall a post on one of the print-related lists that I subscribe to from an individual who had both the SRN-9 and Pierce's PS-10. I believe that they strongly preferred the PS-10 over the SRN-9 although unfortunately I can no longer remember who it was or why exactly they preferred the PS-10. I can tell you I have the PS-10 and it is well built, easy to setup and runs fast. It is well-liked here by everyone who has ran it which says a lot about a machine in my opinion. We certainly have several machines that are NOT well liked. And this was posted recently on NAQP's email list: "I had a SRN-9, bought new in 1990. Used it up, just replaced it with a Graphic Whizard 12000. The Standard does a poor job of perfing and scoring and is time consuming to set up and perfs are easily damaged and cost $90!!!!!!! and and and Buy something else. If you do buy it, I have 4 numbering heads I will sell you. Tim Alley Kwik Print Plus" On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Jace Prejean wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'm planning to buy a Morgana Creaser soon, and I'm thinking about bundling > it with a Morgana FSN2 Numbering Machine. > > It is an air-fed machine and I'm told it is also marketed by Standard as > their SRN-9 model. > > I've heard lots about the Creaser and I'm sold on it, but does anyone own or > have experience with this numbering machine? Any knowledge or information > you could share would be appreciated. > > -- > Jace Prejean > Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc > 922 Sunset Ave > Houma, LA 70360 > Phone 985-868-8273 > > www.BayouPrinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com From jdaghir at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 18:30:01 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Thu Mar 6 18:30:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Morgana Numbering Machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83d5b9620803061530ta35a5c2x6da8b382d90fb8e7@mail.gmail.com> In the dim receeses of my brain, I seem to recall a post on one of the print-related lists that I subscribe to from an individual who had both the SRN-9 and Pierce's PS-10. I believe that they strongly preferred the PS-10 over the SRN-9 although unfortunately I can no longer remember who it was or why exactly they preferred the PS-10. I can tell you I have the PS-10 and it is well built, easy to setup and runs fast. It is well-liked here by everyone who has ran it which says a lot about a machine in my opinion. We certainly have several machines that are NOT well liked. And this was posted recently on NAQP's email list: "I had a SRN-9, bought new in 1990. Used it up, just replaced it with a Graphic Whizard 12000. The Standard does a poor job of perfing and scoring and is time consuming to set up and perfs are easily damaged and cost $90!!!!!!! and and and Buy something else. If you do buy it, I have 4 numbering heads I will sell you. Tim Alley Kwik Print Plus" On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Jace Prejean wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'm planning to buy a Morgana Creaser soon, and I'm thinking about bundling > it with a Morgana FSN2 Numbering Machine. > > It is an air-fed machine and I'm told it is also marketed by Standard as > their SRN-9 model. > > I've heard lots about the Creaser and I'm sold on it, but does anyone own or > have experience with this numbering machine? Any knowledge or information > you could share would be appreciated. > > -- > Jace Prejean > Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc > 922 Sunset Ave > Houma, LA 70360 > Phone 985-868-8273 > > www.BayouPrinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com From ron at printingconcepts.com Fri Mar 7 08:56:56 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Fri Mar 7 08:48:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ebay Scam Message-ID: I recently spotted a beautiful MBO folder on Ebay and decided to bid on it. Before the auction closed, I was 90% sure it was a scam and thought I'd share these observations of why I thought that: 1. No reserve or minimum bid. Anyone with anything of assured value wouldn't consider letting it go for no minimum. 2. I emailed the guy and asked to come see the item, no response. I continue to use this technique even though I might not be close to the item, sometimes making up a story like, "My brother lives near you." 3. All feedback was for trivial items like video games. Had mostly bought items and sold few. 4. Auction said he would accept a personal check or cashier's check, but when the auction closed he asked for a wire transfer. Wire transfer instructions had an Eastern European or Russian sounding name. Also suggested we "strongly wire" the money. At least they could invest in a good translation :). 5. When I told him we would pay when we picked the item up, there was no further communication. I have been seeing more items that fit the above profile in the bindery section, and I know of two others that turned out to be scams. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From tim at schreurprinting.com Fri Mar 7 09:08:09 2008 From: tim at schreurprinting.com (Tim Schreur) Date: Fri Mar 7 09:08:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Translucent Postcards In-Reply-To: <030620082003.14938.47D04E0B000965F700003A5A22007511500902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: Try PlasticPrinters.com Luke Lingle - President 800.808.7472 I have not used them other than for pricing. ----------- Tim Schreur President Schreur Printing - Since 1946 "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" P 616-392-4405 F 616-392-4296 w www.schreurprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: priorityprinting@comcast.net [mailto:priorityprinting@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 3:03 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Translucent Postcards Does anyone have a source for translucent plastic which can be printed on? A customer of ours brought in a sample postcard, printed in full color. The plastic was equivalent to a 16 pt. stock. She would like to use this material for a mailing of her own. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 810 487-1700 From jacemeister at gmail.com Fri Mar 7 09:24:39 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Fri Mar 7 09:26:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Morgana Numbering Machine In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620803061530ta35a5c2x6da8b382d90fb8e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <83d5b9620803061530ta35a5c2x6da8b382d90fb8e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Jeff. As always, I appreciate your help. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Jeff Daghir wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > In the dim receeses of my brain, I seem to recall a post on one of the > print-related lists that I subscribe to from an individual who had > both the SRN-9 and Pierce's PS-10. I believe that they strongly > preferred the PS-10 over the SRN-9 although unfortunately I can no > longer remember who it was or why exactly they preferred the PS-10. > > I can tell you I have the PS-10 and it is well built, easy to setup > and runs fast. It is well-liked here by everyone who has ran it which > says a lot about a machine in my opinion. We certainly have several > machines that are NOT well liked. > > And this was posted recently on NAQP's email list: > > "I had a SRN-9, bought new in 1990. Used it up, just replaced it with a > Graphic Whizard 12000. The Standard does a poor job of perfing and > scoring and is time consuming to set up and perfs are easily damaged and > cost $90!!!!!!! and and and > > Buy something else. > > If you do buy it, I have 4 numbering heads I will sell you. > > Tim Alley > > Kwik Print Plus" > > > > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Jace Prejean > wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > I'm planning to buy a Morgana Creaser soon, and I'm thinking about > bundling > > it with a Morgana FSN2 Numbering Machine. > > > > It is an air-fed machine and I'm told it is also marketed by Standard > as > > their SRN-9 model. > > > > I've heard lots about the Creaser and I'm sold on it, but does anyone > own or > > have experience with this numbering machine? Any knowledge or > information > > you could share would be appreciated. > > > > -- > > Jace Prejean > From bernies at printnetusa.com Fri Mar 7 10:28:50 2008 From: bernies at printnetusa.com (Bernie Schreiber) Date: Fri Mar 7 10:29:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PostalSoft Mailing Software Message-ID: <01ed01c88067$f2712fb0$0b000078@blsofficen01> We have been using PostalSoft Mailing Software for a number of years. They have always bee very prompt in customer service & in supplying updated disks, as required by the USPS. Recently they were sold to Business Objects, and then Business Objects was taken over by a European firm. Service has gone down hill. This month we have not received our CD update, as required by USPS. I'd like to know who others are using & the degree of satisfaction from 1 - 10. Also ...what they charge Thanks Bernie Schreiber bernies@printnetusa.com PrintNet USA, Inc. Cockrill Bend Industrial Park 7005 Westbelt Drive Nashville, TN 37209 615.385.9100 615.406.9994 - Cell 615.298.4234 - Fax From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri Mar 7 10:38:46 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri Mar 7 10:44:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PostalSoft Mailing Software Message-ID: In a message dated 3/7/2008 10:30:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bernies@printnetusa.com writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have been using PostalSoft Mailing Software for a number of years. They have always bee very prompt in customer service & in supplying updated disks, as required by the USPS. Recently they were sold to Business Objects, and then Business Objects was taken over by a European firm. Service has gone down hill. Interesting comments that dovetail exactly with a couple of comments sent to me along with the recent Industry Mailing Study. One guy went so far as to have completed the survey and then sent me a followup letter telling me that all the good stuff he had said about Postalsoft was no longer true and he wanted me to correct his survey form! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Mar 7 10:59:51 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Mar 7 11:01:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ebay Scam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200803071600.m27G0oY1099583@i2bnetworks.com> All excellent observations. Should be called Ebay Rules of the Road. I think any time the conditions are changed in any transaction at the last minute by the seller whether it be on Ebay, a Mortgage Refinance, or terms of a loan or lease...... always a red flag and worth taking a pause to see if the deal should proceed. Thank you Ron. S. At 05:56 AM 3/7/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I recently spotted a beautiful MBO folder on Ebay and decided to bid on it. >Before the auction closed, I was 90% sure it was a scam and thought I'd >share these observations of why I thought that: > >1. No reserve or minimum bid. Anyone with anything of assured value >wouldn't consider letting it go for no minimum. > >2. I emailed the guy and asked to come see the item, no response. I >continue to use this technique even though I might not be close to the item, >sometimes making up a story like, "My brother lives near you." > >3. All feedback was for trivial items like video games. Had mostly bought >items and sold few. > >4. Auction said he would accept a personal check or cashier's check, but >when the auction closed he asked for a wire transfer. Wire transfer >instructions had an Eastern European or Russian sounding name. Also >suggested we "strongly wire" the money. At least they could invest in a >good translation :). > >5. When I told him we would pay when we picked the item up, there was no >further communication. > >I have been seeing more items that fit the above profile in the bindery >section, and I know of two others that turned out to be scams. > > >Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below >should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a >statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general >edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. > >If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you >really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis > >People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham > >The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego >ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the >pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell > > > > >Ron Taggart, President >PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. >4246 Hudson Drive >Stow, Ohio 44224 >330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 >www.printingconcepts.com >ron@printingconcepts.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2930 (20080307) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From prtquick at eos.net Fri Mar 7 11:04:45 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Fri Mar 7 11:02:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PostalSoft Mailing Software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <296D3CCA-4D6C-49EC-9DEB-B74B95B41104@eos.net> We just received our updates yesterday, they are in time for the computer upgrade. I do know that PostalSoft is on the 'expensive' side, but it has always worked well for us. I have had good luck with the phone help, but i have not called them since all the mergers. I do have a question for them so I'll give them a buzz - let you know if they do OK. Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing On Mar 7, 2008, at 10:38 AM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2008 10:30:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > bernies@printnetusa.com writes: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have been using PostalSoft Mailing Software for a number of years. > > They have always bee very prompt in customer service & in supplying > > updated disks, as required by the USPS. > > > > Recently they were sold to Business Objects, and then Business > Objects > > was taken over by a European firm. > > > > Service has gone down hill. > > > > > > Interesting comments that dovetail exactly with a couple of > comments sent to > me along with the recent Industry Mailing Study. One guy went so > far as to > have completed the survey and then sent me a followup letter > telling me that > all the good stuff he had said about Postalsoft was no longer true > and he > wanted me to correct his survey form! > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http:// > www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL > Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Fri Mar 7 11:29:05 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Fri Mar 7 11:29:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ebay Scam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <649CFBE2-1C95-43FD-9EE5-80D9560152A0@falconprintandcopy.com> I just went through the exact same thing with a duplo collator supposedly located in Texas. Charlene was nice enough to hook me up with her duplo service guy to check it out, but I never heard back from the seller when I asked to send him over. I ended up not bidding on it, and now I'm glad I didn't. Anyone who won't let you check out equipment is clearly hiding something. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com On Mar 7, 2008, at 8:56 AM, Ron Taggart wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I recently spotted a beautiful MBO folder on Ebay and decided to bid > on it. > Before the auction closed, I was 90% sure it was a scam and thought > I'd > share these observations of why I thought that: > > 1. No reserve or minimum bid. Anyone with anything of assured value > wouldn't consider letting it go for no minimum. > > 2. I emailed the guy and asked to come see the item, no response. I > continue to use this technique even though I might not be close to > the item, > sometimes making up a story like, "My brother lives near you." > > 3. All feedback was for trivial items like video games. Had mostly > bought > items and sold few. > > 4. Auction said he would accept a personal check or cashier's > check, but > when the auction closed he asked for a wire transfer. Wire transfer > instructions had an Eastern European or Russian sounding name. Also > suggested we "strongly wire" the money. At least they could invest > in a > good translation :). > > 5. When I told him we would pay when we picked the item up, there > was no > further communication. > > I have been seeing more items that fit the above profile in the > bindery > section, and I know of two others that turned out to be scams. > > > Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that > appear below > should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any > manner a > statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the > general > edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. > > If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if > you > really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis > > People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset > Maugham > > The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego > ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering > with the > pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell > > > > > Ron Taggart, President > PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. > 4246 Hudson Drive > Stow, Ohio 44224 > 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 > www.printingconcepts.com > ron@printingconcepts.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From jim at visaliaidea.com Fri Mar 7 11:35:17 2008 From: jim at visaliaidea.com (James Laber) Date: Fri Mar 7 11:35:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] transfer paper In-Reply-To: <20080307160104.40A39E635CA@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <00cf01c88071$3aa5bfe0$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local> I know this has been discussed before but I can't seem to find it. For those of you who have the Canon Imagerunner 3220 what kind of transfer paper have you found to be the best. TIA Jim Laber Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc 1921 E Main St Visalia CA 93292 559-733-4149 X118 Fax: 559-636-3690 jim@visaliaidea.com http://www.visaliaidea.com/ From joseph at mauiprintworks.com Fri Mar 7 14:31:29 2008 From: joseph at mauiprintworks.com (Joseph Marsh) Date: Fri Mar 7 14:31:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking into Business Card Slitter Message-ID: We do a lot of business cards on our copiers. I was wondering how productive business card slitters are compared to traditional cutters. It looks like they are set up as either 10 up or 12 up for 8.5x11. Are there any slitter brands to definitely stay away from? Any recommendations? Does anyone know if 8.5x11 runs at the same speed as 11x17 on a Doc 240? (ex: 50 sheets 8.5x11 cover takes the same time as 25 sheets 11x17) Thanks. Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 Cell: 808-264-6382 joseph@mauiprintworks.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri Mar 7 15:16:18 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri Mar 7 15:16:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking into Business Card Slitter Message-ID: In a message dated 3/7/2008 2:33:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, joseph@mauiprintworks.com writes: We do a lot of business cards on our copiers. I was wondering how productive business card slitters are compared to traditional cutters. It looks like they are set up as either 10 up or 12 up for 8.5x11. Are there any slitter brands to definitely stay away from? Any recommendations? I will play the role of a contrarian here and say that while they are neat and super simple and even fun to run, BC slitters may or may not be as efficient as simply cutting cards on a cutter. I think this is especially true on larger quantities of business cards but also even true on the small lifts used for 4C cards off of copiers. I can only speak to the slitters that slit a strip 4-up. Remember, you are still holding a lift and feeding one strip off the bottom at a time, and while it is fast it is still one strip at a time. While a stack of strips representing 400 - 1000 business cards can be cut in one swipe on the cutter it may take 2-3 minutes to cut on the slitter. Granted, it does require a total of 7-8 cuts to cut a stack of business cards but you are also cutting out and finishing 500 to 1M cards. On the other hand, cutting cards on a cutter requires far more skill than using a slitter, but I am pretty convinced that a good operator can cut more cards per hour or minute than the same person using a slitter, especially the smaller 4-up slitters. In theory, labor costs for operating The only other thing I've noted about the slitters was that while they would handle normal weight stock fine, if you had to cut or slit something a bit much lighter or much heavier you could end up with a serious jam and clearing a jam on a slitter can be dangerous to your fingers..... it is amazing how sharp those blades are and how deep they can cut into a finger and how much blood can be lost in such a short time....and then after significant blood loss how light-headed you become... and then there are the problems related to blotting up the blood from all the business cards you've just slit. Just my thoughts on a lazy Friday. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From printer at ptialaska.net Fri Mar 7 15:38:10 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Fri Mar 7 15:38:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking into Business Card Slitter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mar 7, 2008, at 11:16 AM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > On the other hand, cutting cards on a cutter requires far more skill > than > using a slitter, but I am pretty convinced that a good operator can > cut more > cards per hour or minute than the same person using a slitter, > especially the > smaller 4-up slitters. In theory, labor costs for operating REPLY: Yes, but if you are cutting thermographed cards a slitter is a must otherwise the raise gets flattened. ALSO, you can cut wet card with no offset which comes in handy. And it is much easier and quicker to screw a job up on a cutter (say someone who will remain anonymous) turns the top sheet. _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri Mar 7 15:56:30 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri Mar 7 15:56:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking into Business Card Slitter Message-ID: In a message dated 3/7/2008 3:40:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, printer@ptialaska.net writes: Yes, but if you are cutting thermographed cards a slitter is a must otherwise the raise gets flattened. ALSO, you can cut wet card with no offset which comes in handy. And it is much easier and quicker to screw a job up on a cutter (say someone who will remain anonymous) turns the top sheet. Yes, I totally forgot about the significant advantage when cutting Thermography and wet ink.... definitely a plus there. Don't you hate that feeling when you set the back guide, to make the first cut on that beautiful 16-color cover and the blade comes down through the entire lift and along the face of the cut it is all black and mixed colors and you know for sure the job was not intended to involve a bleed? Then you realize that some ass (possibly yourself) earlier had picked up the top sheet, admired the work with pride, and then set it back down on the lift 180 degrees off from all the sheets beneath it? John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From swiftyprinting at mac.com Fri Mar 7 16:08:13 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Fri Mar 7 16:08:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking into Business Card Slitter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8BBD95B9-F1CC-4CB7-85BC-45044F6BC72A@mac.com> On Mar 7, 2008, at 3:16 PM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > > The only other thing I've noted about the slitters was that while > they would > handle normal weight stock fine, if you had to cut or slit something > a bit > much lighter or much heavier you could end up with a serious jam and > clearing a > jam on a slitter can be dangerous to your fingers..... it is amazing > how > sharp those blades are and how deep they can cut into a finger and > how much > blood can be lost in such a short time....and then after > significant blood loss > how light-headed you become... and then there are the problems > related to > blotting up the blood from all the business cards you've just slit. All of this may be true of the Old slitters. However take our Duplo645 (slitter/creaser/perf/cut). Fully digital. Step one print the cards with a barcode. Step 2 walk up to the slitter, press the start button. Machine sets itself by reading the barcode up to the size sheet and how many up the cards are (after we have written the programs) and then delivers the finished product. I would find it impossible to cut 17 sheets of 14.33x20.5 on a cutter. Especially if it is tight registration, bleeds, etc. We slit all of our cards now. Much more productive. From 65# to 14 pt kromekote - we now have zero waste. We print one extra sheet per order and still end up with extras. I agree with the older equipment it may not be more productive, but now with the digital based finishing equipment, a whole new world has opened up. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From k_graham at hotmail.com Fri Mar 7 16:10:34 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Fri Mar 7 16:12:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ebook software References: Message-ID: Has anyone experience with ebook and ebook sales software as in what would be good to use? I am guessing a PDF as image would be about as good as any perhaps with some sort of copywrite & password protection for read only - though I think they can be easily defeated. As well any automatic way of getting a paypal payment then releasing the item. I know a person could do a buy it now on ebay with multiple copies but then one has to manually email each book. I'm sure there are a few ways which a bit of Googling would find but I would prefer to cut through the clutter and find out what's worked for people here. Thanks, Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 250-782-7108 From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Fri Mar 7 16:27:53 2008 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Fri Mar 7 16:28:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking into Business Card Slitter In-Reply-To: <8BBD95B9-F1CC-4CB7-85BC-45044F6BC72A@mac.com> Message-ID: <012d01c8809a$1ac29da0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Chuck, We've been looking for something to do digital scoring and were thinking about the Tri-Creaser, or the Morgana unit, and then your post came up about the 645 and all the fun things you can do with that. You mentioned in a previous post that the 645 had the ability to keep multiple-up variable data runs in sequence. How does the 645 stack those kinds of jobs? We usually program those runs as a cut and stack. Do you program the variable data to print different than cut and stack, or can the 645 keep a cut and stack in order? TIA Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 3:08 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Looking into Business Card Slitter ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Mar 7, 2008, at 3:16 PM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > > The only other thing I've noted about the slitters was that while > they would > handle normal weight stock fine, if you had to cut or slit something > a bit > much lighter or much heavier you could end up with a serious jam and > clearing a > jam on a slitter can be dangerous to your fingers..... it is amazing > how > sharp those blades are and how deep they can cut into a finger and > how much > blood can be lost in such a short time....and then after > significant blood loss > how light-headed you become... and then there are the problems > related to > blotting up the blood from all the business cards you've just slit. All of this may be true of the Old slitters. However take our Duplo645 (slitter/creaser/perf/cut). Fully digital. Step one print the cards with a barcode. Step 2 walk up to the slitter, press the start button. Machine sets itself by reading the barcode up to the size sheet and how many up the cards are (after we have written the programs) and then delivers the finished product. I would find it impossible to cut 17 sheets of 14.33x20.5 on a cutter. Especially if it is tight registration, bleeds, etc. We slit all of our cards now. Much more productive. From 65# to 14 pt kromekote - we now have zero waste. We print one extra sheet per order and still end up with extras. I agree with the older equipment it may not be more productive, but now with the digital based finishing equipment, a whole new world has opened up. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From billg at TGAssociates.com Fri Mar 7 16:31:51 2008 From: billg at TGAssociates.com (Bill Greif) Date: Fri Mar 7 16:32:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ebook software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006501c8809a$a83f2a90$6701a8c0@BILL> Hi Ken, We offer a number of products including eBooks as a downloadable pdf file. The buyer selects the product from the website, orders and pays via the shopping cart and gets the download instructions. Once set up it is all automatic. Bill Greif TG & Associates billg@tgassociates.com www.tgassociates.com Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 Toll Free 877-842-7762 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of k_graham@hotmail.com Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 2:11 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Ebook software ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Has anyone experience with ebook and ebook sales software as in what would be good to use? I am guessing a PDF as image would be about as good as any perhaps with some sort of copywrite & password protection for read only - though I think they can be easily defeated. As well any automatic way of getting a paypal payment then releasing the item. I know a person could do a buy it now on ebay with multiple copies but then one has to manually email each book. I'm sure there are a few ways which a bit of Googling would find but I would prefer to cut through the clutter and find out what's worked for people here. Thanks, Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 250-782-7108 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From webmaster at designercard.com Fri Mar 7 16:34:19 2008 From: webmaster at designercard.com (webmaster@designercard.com) Date: Fri Mar 7 16:33:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Troubles with IKON 650 contract In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7F4C94BB9E754304B699B24AD1307756@ebilliotPC> Hi all, I am looking for comments if anyone on this forum has ever been released from a contract on an IKON 650 or from IKON. We signed a contract several months ago and to this day we still have major issues with the machine simply not capable of doing what was claimed. As well as, Color issues, Jamming problems, Driver problems, Service issues and I could go on. The sales person simply made outrageous claims and the service is horrific. We are meeting with 2 top people next week fron IKON(Head of Sales and Head of Service). They both have been aware of our problems and are completely aware of our standings for some time now. We are simply looking to see if anyone else has any experience with this. Thanks, Ed Designer Cards ed@designercard.com From brianoday at eprint.us Fri Mar 7 16:37:40 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Fri Mar 7 16:40:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Troubles with IKON 650 contract In-Reply-To: <7F4C94BB9E754304B699B24AD1307756@ebilliotPC> References: <7F4C94BB9E754304B699B24AD1307756@ebilliotPC> Message-ID: <005001c8809b$78e3f270$800101df@eprint.local> I would get a lawyers advice before you meet! Vendors have a responsibility to live up to their side of the agreement. It is possible your state has laws to protect you and for what a 6500 cost a lawyers advice would be chump change. Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of webmaster@designercard.com Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 1:34 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Troubles with IKON 650 contract ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hi all, I am looking for comments if anyone on this forum has ever been released from a contract on an IKON 650 or from IKON. We signed a contract several months ago and to this day we still have major issues with the machine simply not capable of doing what was claimed. As well as, Color issues, Jamming problems, Driver problems, Service issues and I could go on. The sales person simply made outrageous claims and the service is horrific. We are meeting with 2 top people next week fron IKON(Head of Sales and Head of Service). They both have been aware of our problems and are completely aware of our standings for some time now. We are simply looking to see if anyone else has any experience with this. Thanks, Ed Designer Cards ed@designercard.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From craig at sutterprinting.com Fri Mar 7 16:38:27 2008 From: craig at sutterprinting.com (craig@sutterprinting.com) Date: Fri Mar 7 16:41:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Troubles with IKON 650 contract In-Reply-To: <7F4C94BB9E754304B699B24AD1307756@ebilliotPC> References: <7F4C94BB9E754304B699B24AD1307756@ebilliotPC> Message-ID: <1091484532-1204926092-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-551902585-@bxe132.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Sounds like this sales person was trained by xerox Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:34:19 To:"Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Subject: [PrintOwners] Troubles with IKON 650 contract ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hi all, I am looking for comments if anyone on this forum has ever been released from a contract on an IKON 650 or from IKON. We signed a contract several months ago and to this day we still have major issues with the machine simply not capable of doing what was claimed. As well as, Color issues, Jamming problems, Driver problems, Service issues and I could go on. The sales person simply made outrageous claims and the service is horrific. We are meeting with 2 top people next week fron IKON(Head of Sales and Head of Service). They both have been aware of our problems and are completely aware of our standings for some time now. We are simply looking to see if anyone else has any experience with this. Thanks, Ed Designer Cards ed@designercard.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From priorityprinting at comcast.net Fri Mar 7 16:43:40 2008 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Fri Mar 7 16:44:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking into Business Card Slitter Message-ID: <030720082143.14986.47D1B70C0009780500003A8A22134843730902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> We did time studies and we can definitely cut cards faster on a BC slitter than on a cutter. Another big advantage is being able to cut cards when the ink is not totally dry since there is no clamp pressure being applied to the stock. We have ruined plenty of cards because of offset before purchasing our slitter. As already mentioned by others we really never have re-do's because of cutting errors. A BC slitter is so easy to use. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 810 487-1700 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Joseph Marsh > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We do a lot of business cards on our copiers. I was wondering how > productive business card slitters are compared to traditional > cutters. It looks like they are set up as either 10 up or 12 up for > 8.5x11. Are there any slitter brands to definitely stay away from? > Any recommendations? > > Does anyone know if 8.5x11 runs at the same speed as 11x17 on a Doc > 240? (ex: 50 sheets 8.5x11 cover takes the same time as 25 sheets > 11x17) > > Thanks. > > Joseph Marsh > Maui Print Works > Phone: 808-242-6634 > Fax: 808-242-8967 > Cell: 808-264-6382 > joseph@mauiprintworks.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From swiftyprinting at mac.com Fri Mar 7 16:45:52 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Fri Mar 7 16:46:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking into Business Card Slitter In-Reply-To: <012d01c8809a$1ac29da0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> References: <012d01c8809a$1ac29da0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Message-ID: On Mar 7, 2008, at 4:27 PM, Mitch Eaton wrote: > ou mentioned in a previous post that the 645 had the ability to keep > multiple-up variable data runs in sequence. How does the 645 stack > those > kinds of jobs? We usually program those runs as a cut and stack. Do > you > program the variable data to print different than cut and stack, or > can the > 645 keep a cut and stack in order? No you could not do a cut and stack. You need to run to as 1,2,3,4 left to right, 5,6,7,8 next row down left to right and so forth. We then print reverse collate. We have run everything through this and it does a great job on everything (except 80# gloss text and under. But uncoated is fine all the way to 20#). We have been doing postcards, business cards, invitation cards and a lot more. It is not superfast, but it can keep pace with the iGen. The biggest productivity gain is that the same operator can still be at the iGen (and other machines) and run the Duplo at the same time. if we were to cut these items, then the operator is pulled away from the digital printing machines to go cut a job. When cutting we do not allow the person cutting to be interrupted for safety reasons. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From jgross at techiowa.com Fri Mar 7 16:46:07 2008 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Fri Mar 7 16:46:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Troubles with IKON 650 contract In-Reply-To: <7F4C94BB9E754304B699B24AD1307756@ebilliotPC> Message-ID: <00d701c8809c$a6eccf10$1e00000a@tech.local> I can always pull out the test copies from day 1, signed by the tech person and tell them to make it do this, swap it or give me the money back. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc Iowa City, Iowa 52240 techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of webmaster@designercard.com Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 3:34 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Troubles with IKON 650 contract ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hi all, I am looking for comments if anyone on this forum has ever been released from a contract on an IKON 650 or from IKON. We signed a contract several months ago and to this day we still have major issues with the machine simply not capable of doing what was claimed. As well as, Color issues, Jamming problems, Driver problems, Service issues and I could go on. The sales person simply made outrageous claims and the service is horrific. We are meeting with 2 top people next week fron IKON(Head of Sales and Head of Service). They both have been aware of our problems and are completely aware of our standings for some time now. We are simply looking to see if anyone else has any experience with this. Thanks, Ed Designer Cards ed@designercard.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Fri Mar 7 16:46:54 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Fri Mar 7 16:47:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking into Business Card Slitter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA4EB3E4C55C59-DC8-39CC@MBLK-M33.sysops.aol.com> X-cellent! Ending Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: QKCONSULT@aol.com To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 3:16 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Looking into Business Card Slitter ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 3/7/2008 2:33:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, joseph@mauiprintworks.com writes: We do a lot of business cards on our copiers. I was wondering how productive business card slitters are compared to traditional cutters. It looks like they are set up as either 10 up or 12 up for 8.5x11. Are there any slitter brands to definitely stay away from? Any recommendations? I will play the role of a contrarian here and say that while they are neat and super simple and even fun to run, BC slitters may or may not be as efficient as simply cutting cards on a cutter. I think this is especially true on larger quantities of business cards but also even true on the small lifts used for 4C cards off of copiers. I can only speak to the slitters that slit a strip 4-up. Remember, you are still holding a lift and feeding one strip off the bottom at a time, and while it is fast it is still one strip at a time. While a stack of strips representing 400 - 1000 business cards can be cut in one swipe on the cutter it may take 2-3 minutes to cut on the slitter. Granted, it does require a total of 7-8 cuts to cut a stack of business cards but you are also cutting out and finishing 500 to 1M cards. On the other hand, cutting cards on a cutter requires far more skill than using a slitter, but I am pretty convinced that a good operator can cut more cards per hour or minute than the same person using a slitter, especially the smaller 4-up slitters. In theory, labor costs for operating The only other thing I've noted about the slitters was that while they would handle normal weight stock fine, if you had to cut or slit something a bit much lighter or much heavier you could end up with a serious jam and clearing a jam on a slitter can be dangerous to your fingers..... it is amazing how sharp those blades are and how deep they can cut into a finger and how much blood can be lost in such a short time....and then after significant blood loss how light-headed you become... and then there are the problems related to blotting up the blood from all the business cards you've just slit. Just my thoughts on a lazy Friday. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jdaghir at gmail.com Fri Mar 7 16:47:12 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Fri Mar 7 16:47:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking into Business Card Slitter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83d5b9620803071347p4161590ct706414d31d104101@mail.gmail.com> Don't know anything about the company or their equipment but Erso makes a 24 up out of 11x17 slitter. http://www.erso.us/1201x.htm -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Joseph wrote: > Does anyone know if 8.5x11 runs at the same speed as 11x17 on a Doc > 240? (ex: 50 sheets 8.5x11 cover takes the same time as 25 sheets > 11x17) From greg at pressexpress.org Fri Mar 7 16:59:23 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Fri Mar 7 16:59:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking into Business Card Slitter In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620803071347p4161590ct706414d31d104101@mail.gmail.com> References: <83d5b9620803071347p4161590ct706414d31d104101@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <10985DA9-CB39-476B-A2E4-AD7997ED8F67@pressexpress.org> Just checked them out. I really don't understand the coalition of their products. I mean really, business card slitters and boat anchors? Have a great weekend everyone Greg On Mar 7, 2008, at 3:47 PM, Jeff Daghir wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Don't know anything about the company or their equipment but Erso > makes a 24 up out of 11x17 slitter. > > http://www.erso.us/1201x.htm > > > -- > Jeff Daghir > MPS Printing, Inc. > "The Ink & Paper People" > Madison, IN > www.mpsprinting.com > jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com > > Joseph wrote: >> Does anyone know if 8.5x11 runs at the same speed as 11x17 on a Doc >> 240? (ex: 50 sheets 8.5x11 cover takes the same time as 25 sheets >> 11x17) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From greg at pressexpress.org Fri Mar 7 16:12:54 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Fri Mar 7 17:01:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking into Business Card Slitter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8B638259-CCD9-4F7A-B2C2-F0D1DE77ED00@pressexpress.org> Funny story. In my earlier days, the same thing was happening. It seemed like every other day, sometimes 3 times a day, we would cut a lift and BAM! the lift/job was destroyed just like John had described. This went on for MONTHS! It was getting frustrating! We all met several times and mentioned it to all staff. Everyone shrugged their shoulders and looked at each other. We were convinced we had a saboteur in our midst. We had to double check each and every job prior to cutting it was that bad. Then one day, my father stopped by for his usual visit. He stopped by the shop frequently. He was proud of his boys and their printing business. He would walk back into the shop, pick up a piece and look at it. Then I noticed he put it back on the pile 180 degrees off. UUUGGGG! I watched him closely, he went to the next job, picked up the top sheet, said how nice it looked and put it back on that pile, UPSIDE DOWN! And on and on and on. We found our culprit. Our own father. He didn't even know the harm he was doing. We talked to him about it but he didn't understand where we were going with it. So from then on, whenever dear ole dad stopped to proudly admire his sons accomplishments, we had to follow him through the shop replacing the sheets he laid down backwards. He has been gone for 12 years now, but he sure was proud of his boys. Oh, the good ole days. Right Mark? Greg On Mar 7, 2008, at 2:56 PM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2008 3:40:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > printer@ptialaska.net writes: > > Yes, but if you are cutting thermographed cards a slitter is a must > otherwise the raise gets flattened. ALSO, you can cut wet card with > no > offset which comes in handy. And it is much easier and quicker to > screw a job up on a cutter (say someone who will remain anonymous) > turns the top sheet. > > > > Yes, I totally forgot about the significant advantage when cutting > Thermography and wet ink.... definitely a plus there. > > Don't you hate that feeling when you set the back guide, to make the > first > cut on that beautiful 16-color cover and the blade comes down > through the > entire lift and along the face of the cut it is all black and mixed > colors and you > know for sure the job was not intended to involve a bleed? Then you > realize > that some ass (possibly yourself) earlier had picked up the top > sheet, > admired the work with pride, and then set it back down on the lift > 180 degrees off > from all the sheets beneath it? > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http:// > www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL > Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From k_graham at hotmail.com Fri Mar 7 19:14:22 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Fri Mar 7 19:16:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Troubles with IKON 650 contract References: <7F4C94BB9E754304B699B24AD1307756@ebilliotPC> Message-ID: I did not get released but did turn down a settlement offer, but I sued in Small Claims Court for up to 25,000 on 2 cases. Last week on a CPP500 and on a IR5000. Summation was due Monday, Counter Summation Tuesday. Verdict was supposed to be by phone Friday. - However Ikon seemed to overlook 3 written workorders done by techs while at store. Also appeared to be missing customer logs for customer call in. In my summation or counter summation, I said I would be happy to wait for a verdict if those items could be provided to the Judge, I pointed out that I was but a small player Corporate wide it could be affecting 1000's of businesses and Governent which involves our tax dollars. I would say for every day this verdict is held up my chances are going up. I give myself 98% chance on IR5000, 50% plus on CPP500. Make sure you have email replies to your request for service. Read oldest notes at http://groups.google.com/group/ColorCopier Also I put a link to this site from google finance and finding Ikon as an investment Contact me before speaking with them, theres a lot of ways they can try to use the talk against you. Call evenings 250-782-4331 theres a ton you can use against them. I'm 98%+ sure I got them on the IR5000, 50%+ sure on the CPP500 . I would not own any stock in any copier company right now in case I do win. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC From george at print-shoppe.com Fri Mar 7 22:26:45 2008 From: george at print-shoppe.com (George) Date: Fri Mar 7 22:39:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking into Business Card Slitter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <47db01c880cc$48aab590$6501a8c0@GeorgeHome> **** Private Email Response **** John, You must be talking about those tabletop slitters. They are accurate but slow. A Sunraise or ThermoType floor slitter will run at blinding speeds. 144,000 cards per hour or faster. Divide that by 500! The feed chute on the 12 up or 4 up can be continuously loaded on the fly. "Lifts" are can be as big as the operator can handle and multiple lifts go into the chute without stopping. The long delivery belts can accumulate multiple orders before off-loading. Just put a slip sheet between different orders. Scoop and box. Done. My Sunraise is one of the most productive pieces of equipment I have... and no skill needed. Doing cards on a cutter can't even compare. Rethink!!! George The Print Shoppe, Inc. Dallas, Texas george@print-shoppe.com From k_graham at hotmail.com Sat Mar 8 09:05:42 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Sat Mar 8 09:07:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CPP500 References: <7F4C94BB9E754304B699B24AD1307756@ebilliotPC> Message-ID: Those with a 2nd fuser assembly for the Ikon CPP500 or Konica Minolta C500. Does it have a web cleaning assembly? I presume this to mean a cloth cleaning web, I ask as our Xerox 240 with the new wax based toners use no cloth base web that I can see. One item in the professional evidence of Ikon "If heavier paper/card stock settings upon which the CPP500 reduces the fixing assembly speed to give it more time to fuse the toner on the heavier stock. Failing to select this setting causes the printer to run at normal toner speed which in turn causes poor fixing of toner to the heavier paper. This results in unfused toner sticking to the upper fixing roller, which in turn fuses onto the fixing roller web cleaning assembly, which damages the fixing roller upon drying. If the operator selects the proper setting when using heavier paper/car stock/Index this problem will not occur." I argued that the problem was described as lines on the rollers which were likely the lines at 11" mark known to be a issue. - Reply from Ikon Area Service Manager was that this was not a known issue on the CPP500. So you see this is what I was dealing with. Rollers were not entered into evidence by them. Just in case I did loose on the 500, any Ikon written documentation that proves a lie might be used as proof of perjury. This could be even more valuable if I can submit before the judges decision is rendered. Thanks, Ken Graham Emails to the effect from members here were not admissable as were hearsay, would require testimony from the witness. (or a Ikon statement on a work order to the effect that line on roller was caused by paper or card edge, even if on another machine) From copythatnyc at aol.com Sat Mar 8 10:32:26 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Sat Mar 8 10:32:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Folders Message-ID: <8CA4F48BF034F14-C48-3BC7@webmail-db07.sysops.aol.com> Spoke to someone way back about printing on folders.??If anyone out there?can do this please contact me on or off. Thanks Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com From Minmandon at aol.com Sat Mar 8 11:04:20 2008 From: Minmandon at aol.com (Minmandon@aol.com) Date: Sat Mar 8 11:04:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Folders Message-ID: Digifolders.com or 201 652-7278 Great product. We run them through our Canon 4080. I just did 100 for a customer @ $3.50 each. Customer loved them. Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield 954 421-9904 **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From cpurvine1 at cox.net Sat Mar 8 11:22:45 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Sat Mar 8 11:22:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Folders In-Reply-To: <8CA4F48BF034F14-C48-3BC7@webmail-db07.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA4F48BF034F14-C48-3BC7@webmail-db07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000d01c88138$a4a41eb0$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Tommy, you can order from Digifolders and print them yourself if you want to. Dave is a member of PrintOwners. He also sells the pockets with or without slits. I order the pockets and order my paper here in town and have my bindery score it. I use 12x18 CS1. I recommend you get the set-up tool that he has as it is real easy to get the pockets on crooked. I usually just take the tape off the bottom of the pocket and position it up against the guides on his jig and let if drop on the folder and press it down and then I take the top piece of tape off and press it down. You can print on both sides if you want. I have one customer wanting me to print on the pockets right now. Not sure if that is possible. Has anyone else tried it? Dave's info: Work: 201-652-7272 Work Address: 460 Braen Avenue Wyckoff, New Jersey ... http://www.digifolders... Mark Cordes Cordes Printing, Inc. & DigiFolders 460 Braen Avenue Wyckoff, NJ 07481 201-652-7272 e-mail: msc@cordesprinting.com www.cordesprinting.com www.digifolders.com Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 9:32 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Folders ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Spoke to someone way back about printing on folders.??If anyone out there?can do this please contact me on or off. Thanks Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2931 (20080307) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From copythatnyc at aol.com Sat Mar 8 12:01:44 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Sat Mar 8 12:03:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Folders In-Reply-To: <000d01c88138$a4a41eb0$6401a8c0@corapurvine> References: <8CA4F48BF034F14-C48-3BC7@webmail-db07.sysops.aol.com> <000d01c88138$a4a41eb0$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <8CA4F553936D01A-4B8-1ABF@webmail-me04.sysops.aol.com> Thanks guys, but I do know about digifolders.? What I should of said what we need are similar to pendaflex folders. ?Printed on the flap. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Cora Purvine To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 11:22 am Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] RE: Folders ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Tommy, you can order from Digifolders and print them yourself if you want to. Dave is a member of PrintOwners. He also sells the pockets with or without slits. I order the pockets and order my paper here in town and have my bindery score it. I use 12x18 CS1. I recommend you get the set-up tool that he has as it is real easy to get the pockets on crooked. I usually just take the tape off the bottom of the pocket and position it up against the guides on his jig and let if drop on the folder and press it down and then I take the top piece of tape off and press it down. You can print on both sides if you want. I have one customer wanting me to print on the pockets right now. Not sure if that is possible. Has anyone else tried it? Dave's info: Work: 201-652-7272 Work Address: 460 Braen Avenue Wyckoff, New Jersey ... http://www.digifolders... Mark Cordes Cordes Printing, Inc. & DigiFolders 460 Braen Avenue Wyckoff, NJ 07481 201-652-7272 e-mail: msc@cordesprinting.com www.cordesprinting.com www.digifolders.com Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 9:32 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Folders ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Spoke to someone way back about printing on folders.??If anyone out there?can do this please contact me on or off. Thanks Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2931 (20080307) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Sat Mar 8 14:10:15 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Sat Mar 8 14:11:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking into Business Card Slitter In-Reply-To: <8BBD95B9-F1CC-4CB7-85BC-45044F6BC72A@mac.com> References: <8BBD95B9-F1CC-4CB7-85BC-45044F6BC72A@mac.com> Message-ID: <014b01c88150$0ac9e730$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> There was a programmable machine at the last Graphics show in Toronto made by GBC which I wish I could justify priced at $18,000. It had a number of useful functions besides slitting business cards such as perfing and scoring. I watched it do several thousand business cards in a matter of minutes. There was no twice through as the cards came out in neat miles all finished. Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 4:08 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Looking into Business Card Slitter ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Mar 7, 2008, at 3:16 PM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > > The only other thing I've noted about the slitters was that while > they would > handle normal weight stock fine, if you had to cut or slit something > a bit > much lighter or much heavier you could end up with a serious jam and > clearing a > jam on a slitter can be dangerous to your fingers..... it is amazing > how > sharp those blades are and how deep they can cut into a finger and > how much > blood can be lost in such a short time....and then after > significant blood loss > how light-headed you become... and then there are the problems > related to > blotting up the blood from all the business cards you've just slit. All of this may be true of the Old slitters. However take our Duplo645 (slitter/creaser/perf/cut). Fully digital. Step one print the cards with a barcode. Step 2 walk up to the slitter, press the start button. Machine sets itself by reading the barcode up to the size sheet and how many up the cards are (after we have written the programs) and then delivers the finished product. I would find it impossible to cut 17 sheets of 14.33x20.5 on a cutter. Especially if it is tight registration, bleeds, etc. We slit all of our cards now. Much more productive. From 65# to 14 pt kromekote - we now have zero waste. We print one extra sheet per order and still end up with extras. I agree with the older equipment it may not be more productive, but now with the digital based finishing equipment, a whole new world has opened up. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From slb at inkspot.net Sat Mar 8 14:17:35 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Sat Mar 8 15:18:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Folders In-Reply-To: <8CA4F553936D01A-4B8-1ABF@webmail-me04.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA4F48BF034F14-C48-3BC7@webmail-db07.sysops.aol.com>, <000d01c88138$a4a41eb0$6401a8c0@corapurvine>, <8CA4F553936D01A-4B8-1ABF@webmail-me04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <47D29FFF.10662.263330E@slb.inkspot.net> If you're talking about the metal-reinforced hanging folders, I don't think you can print them unless you have a letterpress. If you're talking about the ordinarly manila folders that go inside the hanging folders, you can probably run the straight-across ("full tab") type through a digital device or a small (portrait) press, opened flat, provided the sheet size works. We've printed 1/3 tab, 1/5 tab, etc. folders many times, on our KORD. You just open them flat, and watch that the side guide hits the tab, instead of hanging up on it. If your quantity is large enough, look around for someone local with a large enough press. HTH, Steve > > Thanks guys, but I do know about digifolders.? What I should of said what we need are similar to pendaflex folders. > ?Printed on the flap. > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cora Purvine > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Sent: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 11:22 am > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] RE: Folders > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Tommy, you can order from Digifolders and print them yourself if you want > to. Dave is a member of PrintOwners. He also sells the pockets with or > without slits. I order the pockets and order my paper here in town and have > my bindery score it. I use 12x18 CS1. I recommend you get the set-up tool > that he has as it is real easy to get the pockets on crooked. > > I usually just take the tape off the bottom of the pocket and position it up > against the guides on his jig and let if drop on the folder and press it > down and then I take the top piece of tape off and press it down. > > You can print on both sides if you want. I have one customer wanting me to > print on the pockets right now. Not sure if that is possible. Has anyone > else tried it? > > Dave's info: > Work: 201-652-7272 > > Work Address: > 460 Braen Avenue > Wyckoff, New Jersey ... > > http://www.digifolders... > > Mark Cordes > Cordes Printing, Inc. & DigiFolders > 460 Braen Avenue > Wyckoff, NJ 07481 > > 201-652-7272 > e-mail: msc@cordesprinting.com > > www.cordesprinting.com > www.digifolders.com > > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners > 5801 W. Juno Ave. > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 > cpurvine1@cox.net > www.ClassActPrinting.biz > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 9:32 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Folders > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Spoke to someone way back about printing on folders.??If anyone out > there?can do this please contact me on or off. > > Thanks > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2931 (20080307) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From craig at portageprinting.com Sat Mar 8 18:23:21 2008 From: craig at portageprinting.com (Craig Vestal) Date: Sat Mar 8 18:23:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Crummy Paper References: <20080308201835.3A574E66C60@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <000b01c88173$68f52ea0$f5e2fea9@CraigNotebook> Does anyone have a source for really awful paper? We are going to be printing a coloring book. It will have a nice 4-color coated cover, but the inside pages have to be that dreadful yellowed rough-as-a cob kind of stuff that those books always use. I am a big fan of the French Paper Company's products, but for this project even their stuff is too nice and smooth. Newsprint is too thin and smooth (and almost impossible to run sheetfed). I am hoping I can find the actual stuff for this job. It will be kind of a prestige print job for a well-known writer/cartoonist, and we want to really do a cool job. Any ideas? Craig Vestal President Portage Printing 1116 W Centre, Portage, MI 49024 269.323.9333 PortagePrinting.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 08:16:50 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Sun Mar 9 08:17:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ebook software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0803090616j183cd555l467113705c790f86@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 5:10 PM, wrote: > > Has anyone experience with ebook and ebook sales software as in what would > be good to use? As is often the case with Gmail, an answer (albeit perhaps not the best one) to your questions appeared as an ad at the top of the page. Check out www.saledaddy.com. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ========================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From k_graham at hotmail.com Sun Mar 9 20:27:11 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Sun Mar 9 20:29:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ebook software References: <98f5b19a0803090616j183cd555l467113705c790f86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Michael; I did some google searches and Ebay searches and think perhaps this is a better one http://www.smartdd.com/special/index.php A very good read and a very good video and a free 3 ebook set-up with a small price to pay if you have more than 3 ebooks. This does not cover copy protection to keep the ebook from being distributed to 1000's. I was thinking serialized numbering or the email address might be embedded in each book distributed - Would this act as a deterrent to copying without killing sales, good question? Would you buy a PDF book that is locked out for printing, good question. That's the problem with researching these things, one can spend days or weeks. But sometimes we can come on to this group and ask 1 question, such as what's the best estimating program and bypass a lot of this. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com Dawson Creek BC Canada 250-782-7108 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Vogel" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Ebook software > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 5:10 PM, wrote: >> >> Has anyone experience with ebook and ebook sales software as in what >> would >> be good to use? > > > As is often the case with Gmail, an answer (albeit perhaps not the > best one) to your questions appeared as an ad at the top of the page. > Check out www.saledaddy.com. > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ========================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From k_graham at hotmail.com Sun Mar 9 20:48:10 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Sun Mar 9 20:50:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Whats the best, & inexpensive vehicle log maintenance software - is any machine log maintenance software available, copiers, presses, everything References: <98f5b19a0803090616j183cd555l467113705c790f86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I asked this some months ago and got no response, I have done a bit of digging my self and here are 3 interesting auto maintenance ones I plan to demo for 30 days. http://www.lonewolf-software.com/automotivewolf.htm Good - Includes service tips for indicated problems. Bad - I think you have to enter your recommended maintenance points. Bad - I think proprietry format data Good - Free Trial www.brightcar.com Good-Includes pre-entered maintenance points for regular and severe service for 10,000 North American Vehicles/Years combination. Bad - had a error on my wifes (Plymouth Voyageur - oil change) Good, provided me a free licence for finding error. Check your vehicle manual against entered service points before using. (email author if you find a error) Bad - I think proprietry format data Good - Free Trial www.ecarlog.com Good - available anywhere online Bad - looks to be Beta limited Good - perhaps free There is also one for sale on Ebay thats based on Microsoft Access which would have benefit of allowing extra reports if you know how to right them. Bad - no free trial. None seemed to support multi-languages. I was originally looking for one for my wifes relatives that run a few Vans in Mexico that do the job of our street buses up here but a lot quicker. Enjoy, and if you know of, or can recommend a better one as well as machine log maintenance software I appreciate it. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com Dawsn Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 From richard at weprintcary.com Mon Mar 10 07:28:42 2008 From: richard at weprintcary.com (Richard Cobb) Date: Mon Mar 10 07:29:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Troubles with IKON 650 contract In-Reply-To: <7F4C94BB9E754304B699B24AD1307756@ebilliotPC> References: <7F4C94BB9E754304B699B24AD1307756@ebilliotPC> Message-ID: <47D5297A.4060903@weprintcary.com> Several years ago I bought an Oce 3162 from Ikon. The only way I could get any action from Ikon to honor the sales agreement was to write a letter to their President detailing the agreement and Ikon's lack of action to deliver upon their promises. He brought smoke. I had all sorts of calls and followup afterwards. Richard Cobb Allegra Print & Imaging 1155 Kildaire Farm Road Cary, NC 27511 919-468-3334 fax 919-468-3880 The Future of Printing is Here Helping Businesses Find Ways to Enhance the VALUE of Their Print Communications! webmaster@designercard.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi all, > > I am looking for comments if anyone on this forum has ever been released > from a contract on an IKON 650 or from IKON. > > We signed a contract several months ago and to this day we still have > major issues with the machine simply not capable of doing what was > claimed. As well as, Color issues, Jamming problems, Driver problems, > Service issues and I could go on. The sales person simply made > outrageous claims and the service is horrific. > > We are meeting with 2 top people next week fron IKON(Head of Sales and > Head of Service). They both have been aware of our problems and are > completely aware of our standings for some time now. We are simply > looking to see if anyone else has any experience with this. > > Thanks, > Ed > Designer Cards > ed@designercard.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From kk1127 at mindspring.com Mon Mar 10 07:57:56 2008 From: kk1127 at mindspring.com (John Hughes) Date: Mon Mar 10 07:58:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Folders References: <8CA4F48BF034F14-C48-3BC7@webmail-db07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <015201c882ae$5dd61250$0302a8c0@NOTEBOOK> 2 options. We have run small qty by sealing ends with removeable tape and running through an AB Dick. Blanks USA wil do printed folders. ' John Hughes Kwik Kopy Printing kk1127@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Melendez" To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 11:32 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Folders > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Spoke to someone way back about printing on folders.??If anyone out > there?can do this please contact me on or off. > > Thanks > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From ron at printingconcepts.com Mon Mar 10 10:25:49 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Mon Mar 10 10:17:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] INFO USA Message-ID: We are looking to buy a database for our reps to look up prospects in and one of my reps is recommending we get a service from INFO USA in Omaha, called Directories USA. They charge a flat fee of $1650 for unlimited access to a regional database and limited downloads of names to mail to of 15,000 names. I was wondering if anyone on the list has had any experience as to the quality of INFO USA and/or knows of any other similar service? TIA Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From jacemeister at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 11:13:00 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Mon Mar 10 11:13:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] INFO USA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Several years ago I subscribed to such a service from that same company. I found the information to be outdated and very inaccurate. There were lots of misspelled names and in some instances "made up" names. In one case the name of the guy's dog was listed (Sargent) . By coincidence, the guy knew me and called when he got he mailer. The mailer was for a customer of mine but he recognized my permit number so he felt compelled to rub it in . Down here there are lots of unusual names - I'm sure you've all heard of Boudreaux and Thibodaux . I'm sure it's difficult for these companies to verify the information they are given, but other lists had the correct information. They could have at least spelled the names correctly. Some of them which I felt were misspelled I looked up in the BellSouth directory and they were spelled correctly in that listing. I never bothered to call and ask them to explain why. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Ron Taggart wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are looking to buy a database for our reps to look up prospects in and > one of my reps is recommending we get a service from INFO USA in Omaha, > called Directories USA. They charge a flat fee of $1650 for unlimited > access to a regional database and limited downloads of names to mail to of > 15,000 names. > > I was wondering if anyone on the list has had any experience as to the > quality of INFO USA and/or knows of any other similar service? > > TIA From digitaldeb at graphiccreations.com Mon Mar 10 11:28:17 2008 From: digitaldeb at graphiccreations.com (digitaldeb@graphiccreations.com) Date: Mon Mar 10 11:28:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: business card slitter Message-ID: <1850843204-1205166487-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2093909910-@bxe125.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> MBM makes a BC10 with reader for digital variance for around 4500. Debbie Graphic Creations 865-522-6221 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From John at mpcny.com Mon Mar 10 12:36:30 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Mon Mar 10 11:36:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] INFO USA -long In-Reply-To: <20080310161327.A46DDE6AF89@rb.enter.net> References: <20080310161327.A46DDE6AF89@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <002a01c882d5$46b8cbe0$d42a63a0$@com> I find them below average in accuracy and often older than others places. I also refuse to use them after I read about the founder's issues and sleaze. Many papers on the left and right have raised issues with Info USA. Mark Roberts lived near and knows Vin he never had much good to say about him. I remember a sticker in the old Nixon days. Don?t buy books from crooks. I do not buy lists from crooks. There are other sources that do not target the helpless, elderly and sick. The New York Times reported last year that an investigation by the authorities in Iowa found that infoUSA sold consumer data to telemarketing criminals who used it to steal money from elderly Americans. It advertised call lists with titles like ?Elderly Opportunity Seekers? or ?Suffering Seniors,? a compilation of people with cancer or Alzheimer?s disease. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/26/us/politics/26clinton.html http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18958566 Hillary, Bill Clinton Linked to Elder Scam - How Much Were They Paid? Dick Morris & Eileen McGann Tuesday, May 29, 2007 Since he left office in 2001, former president Bill Clinton has been paid by $3.3 million by InfoUSA, an Omaha, Nebraska company that has been identified as a key provider of specially designed databases that have been sold to criminals who use the detailed information to defraud the unsuspecting elderly. The consulting fees to the former president were only part of the largess InfoUSA showered on the former president. Vinod Gupta, the CEO of InfoUSA, lent the Clintons the company's jet which took them to places like Switzerland, Hawaii, Jamaica and Mexico. The jet service was worth a staggering $900,000. And Gupta gave the Clinton library a six-figure gift as well. Indeed, just months after he left the presidency, Bill Clinton was paid $200,000 for a speech given to InfoUSA in Omaha. InfoUSA is not the kind of company with which a former president and the husband of a presidential candidate should associate. According to the The New York Times, InfoUSA compiled and sold lists that disclosed the names of elderly men and women who would be likely to respond to unscrupulous scams. The lists left no doubt about the vulnerability of the elderly targets. The Times reported, for example, that InfoUSA advertised lists of "Elderly Opportunity Seekers," 3.3 million older people "looking for ways to make money," and "Suffering Seniors," 4.7 million people with cancer or Alzheimer's disease. "Oldies but Goodies" contained 500,000 gamblers over 55 years old, for 8.5 cents apiece. One list said: "These people are gullible. They want to believe that their luck can change." InfoUSA sold lists to companies that were under investigation or closed down by courts because of their criminal activity. The company's internal emails show that employees were aware that the investigation for elderly fraud involved their customers, but sold the lists anyway. The Times profiled one unfortunate 92-year-old man who entered a sweepstakes sponsored by InfoUSA. The information that he innocently provided was then sold to the predator marketers. After responding to their telemarketing calls seeking financial information, his entire life savings was stolen from his bank account at Wachovia Bank. These practices, using lists supplied by InfoUSA, were repeated all over the country. Last week, Hillary Clinton sought and obtained an extension of time to file her presidential candidate financial disclosure statement. Unlike the information required of Senators, this filing requires her to list not just the sources of Bill's income but exactly how much they paid him. While Senator Clinton offered no reason for the postponement, one cannot help wondering if a desire to conceal InfoUSA's payments to her husband while the company is under fire. The extent of the company's payments to Bill only came out as a result of a lawsuit by disgruntled stockholders against the company management. The relationship between Bill Clinton and Vinod "Vin" Gupta, the CEO and Chairman of InfoUSA is both long-standing and deep. A frequent Clinton donor, he has stayed in the Lincoln Bedroom, admitted to donating $1,000,000 to the Clinton Library and told the press that he'd consider an additional donation. Again, since the Clintons refuse to disclose who donated money to the library, we don't know the total that he actually gave. In late 1999, Gupta gave $2,000,000 for Hillary Clinton's Millennium New Year's Eve bash. (They party cost $16 million and was closed to the press!) The links between Gupta and the Clintons are extensive: Gupta raised over $200,000 for Hillary's Senate campaigns and contributed thousands to the DNC and Democratic House and Senate campaigns. InfoUSA was one of the sponsors of the Aspen Festival of Ideas last summer where Bill and Hillary Clinton both spoke. Gupta built the Bill Clinton Science & Technology Center and the Hillary Clinton Mass Communications Center in his hometown of Rampur, India. Bill and Gupta traveled to India together. Gupta reportedly paid for a golf outing for Bill at a legendary Scottish course. InfoUSA appointed Terry McAuliffe, the Clinton's longtime moneyman to the Board of Directors of its subsidiary company videoyellowpagesusa.com. Clinton appointed Gupta to the Kennedy Center Board of Trustees only a few days before he left office. Clinton also nominated Gupta as Consul General of Bermuda and U.S. Ambassador to Fiji, but Gupta was never confirmed. Gupta's company co-sponsored the 2006 Clinton Global Initiative. Gupta sent a $7000 treadmill to Chappaqua days after the Clintons left the White House. After the New York Post disclosed the gift, the Clintons returned the gift. Gupta's generosity to the Clintons is only matched by his generosity to himself. InfoUSA has lately been attacked by some of its shareholders, particularly by the Greenwich, Connecticut company Cardinal Capital that went after Conrad Black. Lord Black is now on trial in Chicago for corporate fraud. Cardinal Capital objected to Gupta's purchase of a $600,000 skybox at the University of Nebraska, his family's charges of $13.5 million in private jet charges, and $2.5 million for the long term lease of a yacht ? all with corporate funds. In addition to his 2001 visit to the company's headquarters, Bill Clinton was back there to speak at a conference on privacy issues in September 2006. Senator Clinton's disclosure statement for that period has not been publicly released, so we don't know how much he was paid. This connection between the Clintons and InfoUSA only underscores the necessity of full disclosure of income sources and amounts by all the presidential candidates and the release of their income tax returns, a step Mrs. Clinton has, thus far, refused to take. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1322 - Release Date: 3/9/2008 12:17 PM From copythatnyc at aol.com Mon Mar 10 12:17:09 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Mon Mar 10 12:17:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] INFO USA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA50E9B4D4F62A-D18-747@webmail-mf16.sysops.aol.com> LeadsUSA charges $150 a month w/all access available Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Ron Taggart To: printowners Sent: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:25 am Subject: [PrintOwners] INFO USA ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are looking to buy a database for our reps to look up prospects in and one of my reps is recommending we get a service from INFO USA in Omaha, called Directories USA. They charge a flat fee of $1650 for unlimited access to a regional database and limited downloads of names to mail to of 15,000 names. I was wondering if anyone on the list has had any experience as to the quality of INFO USA and/or knows of any other similar service? TIA Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 10 12:41:20 2008 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Mon Mar 10 12:40:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] INFO USA References: Message-ID: <013e01c882d5$f45d76b0$0301a8c0@Leah> Last time I used them, there was some kind of annual fee, and other hoops to jump and you were on their call list. Prior to that and since then I have used Best Mailing Lists. www.bestmailing.com Tell'em what you want, if you need ph #'s, etc. Prices are for one time usage and/or multiple uses. Don't get bothered for this and that - order what you want, get it, pay for it - end of story. 800-692-2378 Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Taggart" To: "printowners" Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] INFO USA > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are looking to buy a database for our reps to look up prospects in and > one of my reps is recommending we get a service from INFO USA in Omaha, > called Directories USA. They charge a flat fee of $1650 for unlimited > access to a regional database and limited downloads of names to mail to of > 15,000 names. > > I was wondering if anyone on the list has had any experience as to the > quality of INFO USA and/or knows of any other similar service? > > TIA > > > > Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear > below > should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner > a > statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the > general > edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. > > If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you > really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis > > People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset > Maugham > > The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego > ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with > the > pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell > > > > > Ron Taggart, President > PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. > 4246 Hudson Drive > Stow, Ohio 44224 > 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 > www.printingconcepts.com > ron@printingconcepts.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1323 - Release Date: 3/10/2008 > 11:07 AM > > From ron at printingconcepts.com Mon Mar 10 13:58:34 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Mon Mar 10 13:50:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] INFO USA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Down here there are lots of unusual names What do you mean, Jace? :) Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Jace Prejean Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 12:13 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] INFO USA ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Several years ago I subscribed to such a service from that same company. I found the information to be outdated and very inaccurate. There were lots of misspelled names and in some instances "made up" names. In one case the name of the guy's dog was listed (Sargent) . By coincidence, the guy knew me and called when he got he mailer. The mailer was for a customer of mine but he recognized my permit number so he felt compelled to rub it in . Down here there are lots of unusual names - I'm sure you've all heard of Boudreaux and Thibodaux . I'm sure it's difficult for these companies to verify the information they are given, but other lists had the correct information. They could have at least spelled the names correctly. Some of them which I felt were misspelled I looked up in the BellSouth directory and they were spelled correctly in that listing. I never bothered to call and ask them to explain why. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Ron Taggart wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are looking to buy a database for our reps to look up prospects in and > one of my reps is recommending we get a service from INFO USA in Omaha, > called Directories USA. They charge a flat fee of $1650 for unlimited > access to a regional database and limited downloads of names to mail to of > 15,000 names. > > I was wondering if anyone on the list has had any experience as to the > quality of INFO USA and/or knows of any other similar service? > > TIA _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ron at printingconcepts.com Mon Mar 10 14:50:03 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Mon Mar 10 14:41:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] INFO USA Message-ID: Thanks John and Jace for the information. In the back of my mind I knew there was something I had read negative about this company, thanks for confirming. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From scott at usacolor.com Mon Mar 10 17:18:04 2008 From: scott at usacolor.com (scott) Date: Mon Mar 10 17:16:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] INFO USA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47D5B39C.1020102@usacolor.com> Setting aside the ethics of info usa - I have found the list to be about 85% accurate. For the price its hard to beat, we have used many other lists over the years and have yet to find any that even come close to 100% accurate. We have 9 sales agents calling 8hrs a day - so its fair to say we go through a lot of lists! Scott Balsiger, President USA Color Printing Inc. www.usacolor.com 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN 56601 800-759-9126 218-759-9126 218-759-2883(fax) 218-556-5505(cell) Ron Taggart wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We are looking to buy a database for our reps to look up prospects in and >one of my reps is recommending we get a service from INFO USA in Omaha, >called Directories USA. They charge a flat fee of $1650 for unlimited >access to a regional database and limited downloads of names to mail to of >15,000 names. > >I was wondering if anyone on the list has had any experience as to the >quality of INFO USA and/or knows of any other similar service? > >TIA > > > >Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below >should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a >statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general >edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. > >If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you >really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis > >People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham > >The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego >ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the >pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell > > > > >Ron Taggart, President >PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. >4246 Hudson Drive >Stow, Ohio 44224 >330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 >www.printingconcepts.com >ron@printingconcepts.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Tue Mar 11 06:13:23 2008 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Tue Mar 11 06:14:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source - 4/C Window Decals References: <80552B58-F79C-449D-AD89-9AA9784D80A1@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <003601c88368$ed106050$042967d3@kp4> just had a little surgery so at present only have one arm functioning. just catching up on my request. where am i able to get the stock to run the decals in house. probably going to need only about 50. thank so much......linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Niewold" To: "printowners printowners" Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 8:11 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Source - 4/C Window Decals > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Linda, > we have used window cling material made for laser printers and easily > printed on our CPP650 -- recently! The no smoking window clings were a > big thing right around the first of the year. > :) > robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From gamble at choiceonemail.com Tue Mar 11 07:05:41 2008 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Tue Mar 11 07:05:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] INFO USA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00be01c88370$3a8241d0$0301a8c0@RICK> Did I read somewhere that Info USA now will print and mail your piece for you? I to bought a list from them for a local business I just happened to be looking through the list only to find people who not only retired from there business or sold it but had passed away in 2 instances it was 5 yrs since they past away or sold their business Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 3:50 PM To: printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] INFO USA ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thanks John and Jace for the information. In the back of my mind I knew there was something I had read negative about this company, thanks for confirming. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From k_graham at hotmail.com Tue Mar 11 07:41:03 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Tue Mar 11 07:43:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source - 4/C Window Decals References: <80552B58-F79C-449D-AD89-9AA9784D80A1@protypeonline.com> <003601c88368$ed106050$042967d3@kp4> Message-ID: Xerox had them as an item some years ago- though I've never used, not sure of sizes. Also Ikon, I had - on that is also a 12 x 18 size listing. Again I've not used. Ken Graham Community Printers.com Dawson Creek BC Canada 250-782-7108 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Baribeau" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:13 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Source - 4/C Window Decals > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > just had a little surgery so at present only have one arm functioning. > just > catching up on my request. where am i able to get the stock to run the > decals in house. probably going to need only about 50. > > thank so much......linda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robin Niewold" > To: "printowners printowners" > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 8:11 PM > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Source - 4/C Window Decals > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Linda, >> we have used window cling material made for laser printers and easily >> printed on our CPP650 -- recently! The no smoking window clings were a >> big thing right around the first of the year. >> :) >> robin >> >> Robin Niewold >> Pro-Type Printing, Inc. >> 130 N. Market Street >> Paxton, IL 60957 >> 217.379.4715 >> robin@protypeonline.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue Mar 11 08:47:09 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Tue Mar 11 08:47:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source - 4/C Window Decals In-Reply-To: <003601c88368$ed106050$042967d3@kp4> References: <80552B58-F79C-449D-AD89-9AA9784D80A1@protypeonline.com> <003601c88368$ed106050$042967d3@kp4> Message-ID: <00ad01c8837e$672efdf0$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Linda, sorry about your surgery! Hope everything gets better real soon You can get that material at Office Max or Office Depot if you are going to just run a few. It might be inkjet only though. I thought I had some, but guess I just looked at it and didn't buy it. Not sure where Robin gets hers or how many you have to buy@ what price. You may be able to find the ones I am talking about on-line. I just called Office Depot here in town and they only carry the inkjet version and it is $12.99 for 10 sheets. Sounds like there might be a laser version also since he said they only carry the inkjet version. Good luck, Cora. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Linda Baribeau Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:13 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Source - 4/C Window Decals ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** just had a little surgery so at present only have one arm functioning. just catching up on my request. where am i able to get the stock to run the decals in house. probably going to need only about 50. thank so much......linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Niewold" To: "printowners printowners" Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 8:11 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Source - 4/C Window Decals > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Linda, > we have used window cling material made for laser printers and easily > printed on our CPP650 -- recently! The no smoking window clings were a > big thing right around the first of the year. > :) > robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2937 (20080311) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From swiftyprinting at mac.com Tue Mar 11 09:12:20 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Tue Mar 11 09:13:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source - 4/C Window Decals In-Reply-To: References: <80552B58-F79C-449D-AD89-9AA9784D80A1@protypeonline.com> <003601c88368$ed106050$042967d3@kp4> Message-ID: <2B03D64F-DFFC-48A8-B591-81C76E19F090@mac.com> On Mar 11, 2008, at 8:41 AM, k_graham@hotmail.com wrote: >> . where am i able to get the stock to run the >> decals in house. probably going to need only about 50. Xerox sells them. Can order one box online. Wassau makes a whole selection of these type of products. From clear, frosted, white - permanent, semi and removable. Boxed in 100s DP1030S DP1900S DP1910S DP1901S We run them through our iGen and our 250. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From jeff at hprinting.biz Tue Mar 11 10:52:23 2008 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Tue Mar 11 10:54:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] INFO USA In-Reply-To: <00be01c88370$3a8241d0$0301a8c0@RICK> References: <00be01c88370$3a8241d0$0301a8c0@RICK> Message-ID: <20080311155419.5579.17876@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 08:05 AM 3/11/2008, you wrote: >Did I read somewhere that Info USA now will print and mail your piece for >you? I think I remember seeing and advertisement from them to the same effect. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From npiprinting at verizon.net Tue Mar 11 10:52:15 2008 From: npiprinting at verizon.net (Steve Fairchild) Date: Tue Mar 11 10:55:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cookbooks Message-ID: <47D6AAAF.20104@verizon.net> We need help with a cookbook. Morris Press in Kearney, NE is able to do this for $800. customer cost which includes typesetting, printing, and binding. We would have to typeset this from hand written copy which would take about 19 hours. We cannot do this job and still make money to set and print. This is 5.5x8.5 books with GBC comb binding on 150 pages plus covers with a quantity of 300 finished books. Covers are color and 6 sections with color pages to mark various types of dishes. We have quoted on these jobs before but always too high. I was hoping someone in this list serv. would be able to do this much more efficiently and we could mark it up to this price and win the job. -- Thanks, Charles S. Fairchild, President Nicholas Printing, Inc. 1109 Broad Street Summersville, WV 26651 1-304-872-5906 - Phone 1-304-872-5923 - Fax npiprinting@verizon.net www.nicholasprinting.com From priorityprinting at comcast.net Tue Mar 11 10:52:30 2008 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Tue Mar 11 10:57:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ink jet adressing gloss stock Message-ID: <031120081552.1068.47D6AABE000B58680000042C22007481840902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> The number of mail pieces we address on gloss stock appears to be increasing. Currently we do not have any additional charges for running gloss stock. However, we have to run our addressing equipment at a much slower speed and incur a larger labor cost. Do you currently charge more for addressing gloss stock for mailings? Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 810 487-1700 From jeff at hprinting.biz Tue Mar 11 11:05:23 2008 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Tue Mar 11 11:07:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cookbooks In-Reply-To: <47D6AAAF.20104@verizon.net> References: <47D6AAAF.20104@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20080311160719.20683.5814@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 11:52 AM 3/11/2008, you wrote: >We need help with a cookbook. Morris Press in >Kearney, NE is able to do this for $800. >customer cost which includes typesetting, >printing, and binding. We would have to typeset >this from hand written copy which would take >about 19 hours. We cannot do this job and still >make money to set and print. This is 5.5x8.5 >books with GBC comb binding on 150 pages plus >covers with a quantity of 300 finished >books. Covers are color and 6 sections with >color pages to mark various types of dishes. >We have quoted on these jobs before but always >too high. I was hoping someone in this list >serv. would be able to do this much more >efficiently and we could mark it up to this price and win the job. I've found in the past it is impossible to be competitive with the national companies that specialize in cookbooks. You only hope might be if you found someone in India to typeset it and greatly reduce your cost. I suppose the national cookbook companies have special software that automatically formats and all they do is type in the recipes. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From brianoday at eprint.us Tue Mar 11 11:25:36 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Tue Mar 11 11:28:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] INFO USA In-Reply-To: <20080311155419.5579.17876@hm-pop1.solinus.com> References: <00be01c88370$3a8241d0$0301a8c0@RICK> <20080311155419.5579.17876@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: <003601c88394$89b2e420$800101df@eprint.local> Yes they will they bought out an internet printer in Portland. He was doing real estate postcards almost exclusively and when the downturn hit he had to sell! Those that live by the niche can die by it! Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Haines Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:52 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] INFO USA ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** At 08:05 AM 3/11/2008, you wrote: >Did I read somewhere that Info USA now will print and mail your piece for >you? I think I remember seeing and advertisement from them to the same effect. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 . Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz . www.hprinting.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From printweb at campbellcopy.com Tue Mar 11 11:34:52 2008 From: printweb at campbellcopy.com (John Beery) Date: Tue Mar 11 11:36:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cookbooks In-Reply-To: <47D6AAAF.20104@verizon.net> Message-ID: <004901c88395$d513f5c0$c70a0a0a@D5N31R91> We print cookbooks and also run into competition from Morris Press. Morris operates on very strict templates and offers very little in the way of custom formatting for these prices. We have customers who have worked with Morris on cookbooks in the past and are just amazed and the control and options they have with their finished product when they do it with us. Armed with this information and a sample you've printed and a book from Morris to point out the differences you should be able to sell some in-house cookbooks for your prices, not Morris's. We had a customer that had completely typeset their cookbook in Morris's typesetting tool before they saw one of our books. After they saw our book they paid us to re-typeset it and add all the information they were not able to include in the Morris template. Bottom line Morris provides commodity printing of cookbooks and if that is what the customer wants and they are satisfied with the limitations Morris imposes don't waste your time trying to compete. John Beery Harrisonburg Printing & Graphics, LLC 755 Cantrell Avenue Harrisonburg, VA 22801 PH 540-434-4171 ext. 101 FX 540-432-6530 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Fairchild Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:52 AM To: Printowners list Subject: [PrintOwners] Cookbooks ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We need help with a cookbook. Morris Press in Kearney, NE is able to do this for $800. customer cost which includes typesetting, printing, and binding. We would have to typeset this from hand written copy which would take about 19 hours. We cannot do this job and still make money to set and print. This is 5.5x8.5 books with GBC comb binding on 150 pages plus covers with a quantity of 300 finished books. Covers are color and 6 sections with color pages to mark various types of dishes. We have quoted on these jobs before but always too high. I was hoping someone in this list serv. would be able to do this much more efficiently and we could mark it up to this price and win the job. -- Thanks, Charles S. Fairchild, President Nicholas Printing, Inc. 1109 Broad Street Summersville, WV 26651 1-304-872-5906 - Phone 1-304-872-5923 - Fax npiprinting@verizon.net www.nicholasprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From npiprinting at verizon.net Tue Mar 11 12:07:13 2008 From: npiprinting at verizon.net (Steve Fairchild) Date: Tue Mar 11 12:07:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Typesetting Message-ID: <47D6BC41.5080703@verizon.net> I am sure I saw a business name on this list that specialized in typsetting but I can't find the listing. Would someone have it handy and please send it out. -- Thanks, Charles S. Fairchild, President Nicholas Printing, Inc. 1109 Broad Street Summersville, WV 26651 1-304-872-5906 - Phone 1-304-872-5923 - Fax npiprinting@verizon.net www.nicholasprinting.com From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 12:21:14 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue Mar 11 12:21:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ink jet adressing gloss stock In-Reply-To: <031120081552.1068.47D6AABE000B58680000042C22007481840902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> References: <031120081552.1068.47D6AABE000B58680000042C22007481840902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <83d5b9620803111021q30fc0818q5b3089e2ee7bc9b@mail.gmail.com> We have three different direct addressing charges: Letters & Cards - $0.028 ea Flats - $0.034 ea Coated Items - $0.036 We're using a table-top addresser (Bryce 9k) with a 3 ft conveyor & an IR dryer on it. I haven't revised these prices in a couple of years and sitting here looking at them my gut tells me they're probably a little too low for the throughput we get with our setup - especially for flats & coated items. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Jeff wrote: > The number of mail pieces we address on gloss stock appears to be increasing. Currently we do not have any additional charges for running gloss stock. However, we have to run our addressing equipment at a much slower speed and incur a larger labor cost. Do you currently charge more for addressing gloss stock for mailings? From thom at acepm.com Tue Mar 11 12:21:18 2008 From: thom at acepm.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Tue Mar 11 12:22:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ink jet adressing gloss stock In-Reply-To: <031120081552.1068.47D6AABE000B58680000042C22007481840902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> References: <031120081552.1068.47D6AABE000B58680000042C22007481840902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <01b001c8839c$5165c4e0$f4314ea0$@com> No, no I don't. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing 10026 Old Ocean City Boulevard Unit # 3 Berlin, Maryland? 21811 410-641-3636 / FAX 410-641-1167 Web Page: www.ACEPM.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider and a Microsoft Publisher Service Provider. We offer mailing services for First, Second and Standard class mailings. We handle everything from concept...to printing...to mailing! Ask us how we can SAVE YOU MONEY!!! -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of priorityprinting@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:53 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Ink jet adressing gloss stock ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The number of mail pieces we address on gloss stock appears to be increasing. Currently we do not have any additional charges for running gloss stock. However, we have to run our addressing equipment at a much slower speed and incur a larger labor cost. Do you currently charge more for addressing gloss stock for mailings? Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 810 487-1700 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue Mar 11 13:33:30 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Tue Mar 11 13:33:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP In-Reply-To: <47D6BC41.5080703@verizon.net> References: <47D6BC41.5080703@verizon.net> Message-ID: <010d01c883a6$67d1ed80$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Well I bit the bullet My check is in the mail. I've had so many NAQP member do nice things for me that it is time to pay them back and become part of their organization so I just sent in my application. I thought it was only for the great big printers, but I have been having trouble with my copier company and Charlene Simms has really gone out of her way to help me even though she is at a convention she has called and given me excellent advice over the phone and I really appreciate it. I would have made a big mistake without her insight. Thanks, Charlene. It all started with Paris, bless his soul, he also did a lot for me and Stu, Jace and Tommy have all told me of the virtues of being a member so....it is time to pay back some of the ones that have helped me. See it didn't fall of deaf ears Thanks again guys! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From peter at keystonepress.com Tue Mar 11 13:45:55 2008 From: peter at keystonepress.com (Peter Church) Date: Tue Mar 11 13:48:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HP Indigo Message-ID: <008a01c883a8$24cba790$7d01a8c0@key.local> I just got back from three days at the Boston Print On Demand show. It was a fantastic show; lots of hardware, lots of software and lots of information. It looks to me like Digital Printing has arrived. The quality of the color work coming off the Canon 7000, the HP Indigo and the Xerox I-Gen is very, very good. I especially like the HP Indigo 5500, primarily because the quality of the printed piece looks the most like offset quality. So, is there anyone on the list that has one of these presses that I can talk to about your experience? I am most concerned about the ability to do finishing work, like collating and saddlestitching and scoring and folding, on a piece that is printed with "liquid toner". The competition tells me that it scuffs and marks a lot and has to be coated (offline). Thanks, Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 From swiftyprinting at mac.com Tue Mar 11 14:04:40 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Tue Mar 11 14:04:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon inkjet announcement - comment In-Reply-To: <008a01c883a8$24cba790$7d01a8c0@key.local> References: <008a01c883a8$24cba790$7d01a8c0@key.local> Message-ID: In all of the happenings with the OnDemand show, what I think is a big announcement, Canon announced a new home/office product. An inkjet printer which lays down a clear coat first so you can print on any paper. This technology has been under development for quite a while. However this is the first consumer based machine on the low end. This is also the same technology for those highspeed desktop inkjet printers (still in development) which people were talking about a while back on the list. However when will this technology creep into the RISO, or how about our large format inkjet printers. This would then make the large format inkjet printers the ability to print on any stock, much like the solvent printers. It appears that the next generation of inkjet printers are just around the corner. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Mar 11 14:12:08 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Mar 11 14:13:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cookbooks In-Reply-To: <47D6AAAF.20104@verizon.net> References: <47D6AAAF.20104@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200803111913.m2BJDAJu019958@i2bnetworks.com> You can't sell everything to everybody. Find what you do well, and sell to your strengths A resource that is geared towards producing cookbooks would be tough to compete with in the cookbook space. S. At 08:52 AM 3/11/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We need help with a cookbook. Morris Press in Kearney, NE is able >to do this for $800. customer cost which includes typesetting, >printing, and binding. We would have to typeset this from hand >written copy which would take about 19 hours. We cannot do this job >and still make money to set and print. This is 5.5x8.5 books with >GBC comb binding on 150 pages plus covers with a quantity of 300 >finished books. Covers are color and 6 sections with color pages to >mark various types of dishes. >We have quoted on these jobs before but always too high. I was >hoping someone in this list serv. would be able to do this much more >efficiently and we could mark it up to this price and win the job. > >-- >Thanks, > >Charles S. Fairchild, President > >Nicholas Printing, Inc. >1109 Broad Street >Summersville, WV 26651 > >1-304-872-5906 - Phone >1-304-872-5923 - Fax > >npiprinting@verizon.net >www.nicholasprinting.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2938 (20080311) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From joseph at mauiprintworks.com Tue Mar 11 14:25:08 2008 From: joseph at mauiprintworks.com (Joseph Marsh) Date: Tue Mar 11 14:25:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hard Drive Clicking on Laptop Message-ID: When my hard drive starts in the mornings it makes clicking sounds. It just started happening last week and they aren't your normal start up sounds. What is the best way to back up what I have? I'm on a Macbook Pro with OSX 10.4.11. I will be ordering a new hard drive for the computer soon. Is there a way to duplicate my HD so that when I put in the new HD I can just copy my old stuff and not reinstall everything? Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 Cell: 808-264-6382 joseph@mauiprintworks.com From bernies at printnetusa.com Tue Mar 11 14:38:38 2008 From: bernies at printnetusa.com (Bernie Schreiber) Date: Tue Mar 11 14:38:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hard Drive Clicking on Laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <037801c883af$81664da0$0b000078@blsofficen01> Buy an external Hard Drive- 500Gig + It must be Mac compatible. Preferably w USB or Firefox They generally come w software We bought an Acomdata Drive which works w Mac or Windows Came with Redemption Software When using it, I recommend Duplication (Incremental), rather than Backup. PrintNet USA, Inc. Cockrill Bend Industrial Park 7005 Westbelt Drive Nashville, TN 37209 Bernie Schreiber bernies@printnetusa.com 615.385.9100 Fax 615.298.4234 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:25 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Hard Drive Clicking on Laptop ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** When my hard drive starts in the mornings it makes clicking sounds. It just started happening last week and they aren't your normal start up sounds. What is the best way to back up what I have? I'm on a Macbook Pro with OSX 10.4.11. I will be ordering a new hard drive for the computer soon. Is there a way to duplicate my HD so that when I put in the new HD I can just copy my old stuff and not reinstall everything? Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 Cell: 808-264-6382 joseph@mauiprintworks.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Tue Mar 11 15:31:27 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Tue Mar 11 15:32:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ink jet adressing Using a copier In-Reply-To: <031120081552.1068.47D6AABE000B58680000042C22007481840902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> References: <031120081552.1068.47D6AABE000B58680000042C22007481840902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Mar 11, 2008, at 11:52 AM, priorityprinting@comcast.net wrote: > The number of mail pieces we address on gloss stock appears to be > increasing. Is anyone using a copier, or laser printer, to imprint address on post cards instead of ink jet address? Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz From greg at pressexpress.org Tue Mar 11 15:34:50 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Tue Mar 11 15:35:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hard Drive Clicking on Laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <07DF8A43-7E79-4D48-988D-9865ADAB4E0B@pressexpress.org> YES! Do not wait! Get an external hard drive NOW! USB Fire Wire, it doesn't matter. Go to: http://www.shirt-pocket.com And download SuperDuper. Install it on your laptop. It is free but when you use it, pay for it for the many extra features. Clone your hard using SuperDuper to the external. Plug the fire wire drive into the laptop, start holding the APPLE key. It will scan for all available start-up drives, like the one you just cloned, and pick it as your start up disk. Voila! you now just started up off the clone of your laptop. You can operate off the external drive like normal. Everything will be there. Now, replace your laptop hard drive with a new one. Again, start up via the clone and re-clone everything back to the new laptop drive. Cloning an entire hard drive will take a while so be patient. Purchase the full SuperDuper package and use it for incremental to run each and every night. ------ Now, after your back up, you might want to verify the disk using disk utility, or tech tool. ------ I use Super Duper and have my computers clone each night to a network drive that has a separate partition for each computer. Slick. Good luck and don't loose your data Greg On Mar 11, 2008, at 2:25 PM, Joseph Marsh wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > When my hard drive starts in the mornings it makes clicking sounds. > It just started happening last week and they aren't your normal > start up sounds. What is the best way to back up what I have? I'm > on a Macbook Pro with OSX 10.4.11. I will be ordering a new hard > drive for the computer soon. Is there a way to duplicate my HD so > that when I put in the new HD I can just copy my old stuff and not > reinstall everything? > > Joseph Marsh > Maui Print Works > Phone: 808-242-6634 > Fax: 808-242-8967 > Cell: 808-264-6382 > joseph@mauiprintworks.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From swiftyprinting at mac.com Tue Mar 11 16:01:06 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Tue Mar 11 16:01:15 2008 Subject: Backing up (was Re: [PrintOwners] Hard Drive Clicking on Laptop In-Reply-To: <07DF8A43-7E79-4D48-988D-9865ADAB4E0B@pressexpress.org> References: <07DF8A43-7E79-4D48-988D-9865ADAB4E0B@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: On Mar 11, 2008, at 4:34 PM, Greg Weinfurter wrote: > Is there a way to duplicate my HD so that when I put in the new HD > I can just copy my old stuff and not reinstall everything? I am not big fan of Macs new Time Machine. But I must say it saved me a lot of time today. Since it is a seamless backup, there is no chance the operator will forget to do it. Came in this morning, when to print something from the main graphics computer, and wham - nothing would print. Somehow between the last job printed and today the printcenter was damaged. Yes I could delete the printcenter preferences, etc....but then I would have to put a lot of my special settings back in. This was my first time using Time Machine to restore....clicked on it, picked the date and time I knew the printcenter worked, clicked on the preferences, hit restore and replace and I was running in minutes. It is nice when you have backups. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From slb at inkspot.net Tue Mar 11 17:09:17 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Mar 11 16:11:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hard Drive Clicking on Laptop In-Reply-To: <037801c883af$81664da0$0b000078@blsofficen01> References: , <037801c883af$81664da0$0b000078@blsofficen01> Message-ID: <47D6BCBD.18596.69BDDC@slb.inkspot.net> You can get a copy of "SuperDuper" from Shirt Pocket Software (online purchase), which will clone and restore hard drives macs, similarly to the way Ghost works on PCs. Steve > > Buy an external Hard Drive- 500Gig + > It must be Mac compatible. > Preferably w USB or Firefox > They generally come w software > > We bought an Acomdata Drive which works w Mac or Windows > Came with Redemption Software > > When using it, I recommend Duplication (Incremental), rather than Backup. > > PrintNet USA, Inc. > Cockrill Bend Industrial Park > 7005 Westbelt Drive > Nashville, TN 37209 > > Bernie Schreiber > bernies@printnetusa.com > > 615.385.9100 > Fax 615.298.4234 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:25 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Hard Drive Clicking on Laptop > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > When my hard drive starts in the mornings it makes clicking sounds. > It just started happening last week and they aren't your normal start > up sounds. What is the best way to back up what I have? I'm on a > Macbook Pro with OSX 10.4.11. I will be ordering a new hard drive > for the computer soon. Is there a way to duplicate my HD so that > when I put in the new HD I can just copy my old stuff and not > reinstall everything? > > Joseph Marsh > Maui Print Works > Phone: 808-242-6634 > Fax: 808-242-8967 > Cell: 808-264-6382 > joseph@mauiprintworks.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2938 (20080311) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Mar 11 16:19:24 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Mar 11 16:20:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hard Drive Clicking on Laptop In-Reply-To: <07DF8A43-7E79-4D48-988D-9865ADAB4E0B@pressexpress.org> References: <07DF8A43-7E79-4D48-988D-9865ADAB4E0B@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: <200803112120.m2BLKRDQ054979@i2bnetworks.com> I have two of these puppies with my MacBook Pro cause I got so much stuff....... http://www.seagate.com/freeagent/ Free agent Go. Light as a feather (slip into your shirt pocket) no power supply (gets power from two USB ports (dual cable)) Their website is little behind because they come in 250Gb now as well as the 160. They totally rock. You could easily do the Super Duper thing and then when you're done, take you 160 GB with you wherever you go... S. At 01:34 PM 3/11/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >YES! > >Do not wait! > >Get an external hard drive NOW! USB Fire Wire, it doesn't matter. > >Go to: > >http://www.shirt-pocket.com > >And download SuperDuper. Install it on your laptop. It is free but >when you use it, pay for it for the many extra features. > >Clone your hard using SuperDuper to the external. Plug the fire wire >drive into the laptop, start holding the APPLE key. It will scan for >all available start-up drives, like the one you just cloned, and pick >it as your start up disk. Voila! you now just started up off the >clone of your laptop. You can operate off the external drive like >normal. Everything will be there. > >Now, replace your laptop hard drive with a new one. Again, start up >via the clone and re-clone everything back to the new laptop drive. >Cloning an entire hard drive will take a while so be patient. >Purchase the full SuperDuper package and use it for incremental to run >each and every night. > >------ > >Now, after your back up, you might want to verify the disk using disk >utility, or tech tool. > >------ > >I use Super Duper and have my computers clone each night to a network >drive that has a separate partition for each computer. Slick. > >Good luck and don't loose your data > >Greg > > >On Mar 11, 2008, at 2:25 PM, Joseph Marsh wrote: > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>When my hard drive starts in the mornings it makes clicking sounds. >>It just started happening last week and they aren't your normal >>start up sounds. What is the best way to back up what I have? I'm >>on a Macbook Pro with OSX 10.4.11. I will be ordering a new hard >>drive for the computer soon. Is there a way to duplicate my HD so >>that when I put in the new HD I can just copy my old stuff and not >>reinstall everything? >> >>Joseph Marsh >>Maui Print Works >>Phone: 808-242-6634 >>Fax: 808-242-8967 >>Cell: 808-264-6382 >>joseph@mauiprintworks.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >>-- >>This message has been scanned for viruses and >>dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>believed to be clean. > > > > >Press Express >1869 N. Stevens St. >Rhinelander, WI 54501 >Phone 715-362-2828 >Fax 715-369-2828 >info@pressexpress.org > >Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider >Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2938 (20080311) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Tue Mar 11 16:34:41 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Tue Mar 11 16:35:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ink jet adressing Using a copier In-Reply-To: References: <031120081552.1068.47D6AABE000B58680000042C22007481840902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: We address probably 90% of our mailings on copier/laser printers. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Loren Maurina Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 3:31 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Ink jet adressing Using a copier ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Mar 11, 2008, at 11:52 AM, priorityprinting@comcast.net wrote: > The number of mail pieces we address on gloss stock appears to be > increasing. Is anyone using a copier, or laser printer, to imprint address on post cards instead of ink jet address? Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: Checking... http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: Checking... http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From championprinting at yahoo.com Tue Mar 11 16:56:05 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Tue Mar 11 17:00:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ink jet adressing Using a copier Message-ID: <913386.11040.qm@web38902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Only if we are printing and addressing simultaneously (using FusionPro). Ink jet addressers print much faster than copiers. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Loren Maurina To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:31:27 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Ink jet adressing Using a copier ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Mar 11, 2008, at 11:52 AM, priorityprinting@comcast.net wrote: > The number of mail pieces we address on gloss stock appears to be > increasing. Is anyone using a copier, or laser printer, to imprint address on post cards instead of ink jet address? Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From rcataldo at suddenlink.net Tue Mar 11 17:25:24 2008 From: rcataldo at suddenlink.net (Richard Cataldo) Date: Tue Mar 11 17:16:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ink jet adressing Using a copier References: <031120081552.1068.47D6AABE000B58680000042C22007481840902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <004201c883c6$cd5bfc20$0902a8c0@Graphics4> I am using a Xerox 275 copier to direct print addresses for 11 x 17 Booklets and newsletters. I use a Xerox phaser 8560 for postcards. My mailing runs are between 500 and 10,000. Dick Cataldo Pressmark Inc Marietta OH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loren Maurina" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:31 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Ink jet adressing Using a copier > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > On Mar 11, 2008, at 11:52 AM, priorityprinting@comcast.net wrote: > >> The number of mail pieces we address on gloss stock appears to be >> increasing. > > Is anyone using a copier, or laser printer, to imprint address on post > cards instead of ink jet address? > > > Loren Maurina > President > L & L Printing, Inc. > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren > > ph (586) 263-0060 > fx (586) 263-4895 > > Loren@InkOnPaper.biz > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Mar 11 17:42:44 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Mar 11 17:42:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP In-Reply-To: <010d01c883a6$67d1ed80$6401a8c0@corapurvine> References: <47D6BC41.5080703@verizon.net> <010d01c883a6$67d1ed80$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <8CA51E05B0B3AEB-13AC-19E8@Webmail-mg03.sim.aol.com> Welcome to the NAQP family.? Hopefully you can make arrangements with Bernie to come out to the owner's conference so we can meet in person.? : ) Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Cora Purvine To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 2:33 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Well I bit the bullet My check is in the mail. I've had so many NAQP member do nice things for me that it is time to pay them back and become part of their organization so I just sent in my application. I thought it was only for the great big printers, but I have been having trouble with my copier company and Charlene Simms has really gone out of her way to help me even though she is at a convention she has called and given me excellent advice over the phone and I really appreciate it. I would have made a big mistake without her insight. Thanks, Charlene. It all started with Paris, bless his soul, he also did a lot for me and Stu, Jace and Tommy have all told me of the virtues of being a member so....it is time to pay back some of the ones that have helped me. See it didn't fall of deaf ears Thanks again guys! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bherion at bucksdigital.com Tue Mar 11 16:58:20 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Tue Mar 11 17:52:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PrinterPresence Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080311175507.03259a38@bucksdigital.com> Is anyone using or have reference to offer on PrinterPresence? I had stopped to see them at the Boston show and I liked the pitch. Just looking for any pro/cons if you have them. Thanks in advance! Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue Mar 11 18:02:18 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Tue Mar 11 18:03:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP In-Reply-To: <8CA51E05B0B3AEB-13AC-19E8@Webmail-mg03.sim.aol.com> References: <47D6BC41.5080703@verizon.net><010d01c883a6$67d1ed80$6401a8c0@corapurvine> <8CA51E05B0B3AEB-13AC-19E8@Webmail-mg03.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <002601c883cb$f514a5f0$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Thank you Tommy. We will try Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 5:43 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] NAQP ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Welcome to the NAQP family.? Hopefully you can make arrangements with Bernie to come out to the owner's conference so we can meet in person.? : ) Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Cora Purvine To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 2:33 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Well I bit the bullet My check is in the mail. I've had so many NAQP member do nice things for me that it is time to pay them back and become part of their organization so I just sent in my application. I thought it was only for the great big printers, but I have been having trouble with my copier company and Charlene Simms has really gone out of her way to help me even though she is at a convention she has called and given me excellent advice over the phone and I really appreciate it. I would have made a big mistake without her insight. Thanks, Charlene. It all started with Paris, bless his soul, he also did a lot for me and Stu, Jace and Tommy have all told me of the virtues of being a member so....it is time to pay back some of the ones that have helped me. See it didn't fall of deaf ears Thanks again guys! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2938 (20080311) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From bill at werkheiser.com Tue Mar 11 19:02:43 2008 From: bill at werkheiser.com (Bill Werkheiser) Date: Tue Mar 11 19:02:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ink jet adressing Using a copier In-Reply-To: <004201c883c6$cd5bfc20$0902a8c0@Graphics4> References: <031120081552.1068.47D6AABE000B58680000042C22007481840902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> <004201c883c6$cd5bfc20$0902a8c0@Graphics4> Message-ID: <47D71DA3.1000204@werkheiser.com> Yes, we do approximately 85,000 postcards per month (many small jobs) and we are gradually moving most of this from the inkjet. Several reasons: 1) Charging for two services, only performing one 2) Merlin issues go away 3) Quality of addressing not only looks better before the Post Office but after due to smearing that can occur during processiing 4) Less labor We do ours on a bizhub 500 If you plan on doing decent size mailings, you will want to use VD software such as PrintShopMail, Fusion, etc. -- Bill Werkheiser SE PrinTech, Inc. Coastal Mailing Services, Inc. http://WeLoveToPrint.com 315 E Banks Street - P O Box 27 Glennville, GA 30427 (912) 654-3610 voice (912) 654-3611 fax Since we own an OCR, our process is even simplier because we don't have to keep the cards in order Richard Cataldo wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am using a Xerox 275 copier to direct print addresses for 11 x 17 > Booklets and newsletters. I use a Xerox phaser 8560 for postcards. My > mailing runs are between 500 and 10,000. > > Dick Cataldo > Pressmark Inc > Marietta OH > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loren Maurina" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:31 PM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Ink jet adressing Using a copier > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> On Mar 11, 2008, at 11:52 AM, priorityprinting@comcast.net wrote: >> >>> The number of mail pieces we address on gloss stock appears to be >>> increasing. >> >> Is anyone using a copier, or laser printer, to imprint address on >> post cards instead of ink jet address? >> >> >> Loren Maurina >> President >> L & L Printing, Inc. >> dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp >> dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren >> >> ph (586) 263-0060 >> fx (586) 263-4895 >> >> Loren@InkOnPaper.biz >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2938 (20080311) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > From dvmonto at optonline.net Tue Mar 11 21:13:28 2008 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Tue Mar 11 21:13:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ink jet addressing Using a copier In-Reply-To: > Message-ID: On 3/11/08 5:34 PM, "Mark Lake" wrote: > We address probably 90% of our mailings on copier/laser printers. > > > Mark Lake Don't do many envelopes, huh? -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net -- "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 From craig at newhavenprint.com Tue Mar 11 23:01:51 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Tue Mar 11 23:01:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP In-Reply-To: <002601c883cb$f514a5f0$6401a8c0@corapurvine> References: <47D6BC41.5080703@verizon.net><010d01c883a6$67d1ed80$6401a8c0@corapurvine><8CA51E05B0B3AEB-13AC-19E8@Webmail-mg03.sim.aol.com> <002601c883cb$f514a5f0$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: < Well I bit the bullet My check is in the mail. I've had so many NAQP member do nice things for me that it is time to pay them back and become part of their < < organization so I just sent in my application. < Class Act Printing and Foil < Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners Glad to have you on board Cora. Speaking of the NAQP, we just got back from a fun night with a bunch of NAQP people (at the NAPL conference). We had dinner with Charlene, Dennis and Christa Trump, Tracey and Jason from Target Copy (who I will have on this list soonly), Steve and Meagan from our shop, Steve Johnson and Christina, Dale and Donna Aigner, Keith Kemp, Bob Garder (Tom's son), and others that I'm not remembering right now. As usual, the conference was good, but the networking and seeing friends again was priceless. All of this group is already planning to be at the NAQP Owners Conference & Graph Expo in Chicago this fall. Hopefully a lot of you from the list will join us also. Our group gets huge when we hit Chicago. It would be a shame to miss the party. Time to start planning. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy Fort Wayne, IN From cpurvine1 at cox.net Wed Mar 12 04:45:40 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Wed Mar 12 04:45:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP In-Reply-To: References: <47D6BC41.5080703@verizon.net><010d01c883a6$67d1ed80$6401a8c0@corapurvine><8CA51E05B0B3AEB-13AC-19E8@Webmail-mg03.sim.aol.com><002601c883cb$f514a5f0$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <003601c88425$d599c520$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Thanks Craig, maybe you are right I've sat and looked at this computer long enough. Maybe it is time to do other things! We used to have a ball at the Shrine conventions that we used to go on. We used to sell tickets to see the parade, of course it was free, but that was one of our fund raisers and I used to sell the most tickets. We did have a blast!!! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From bherion at bucksdigital.com Wed Mar 12 07:39:14 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Wed Mar 12 07:39:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Never a doubt. Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080312082742.03274bd0@bucksdigital.com> I see folks worrying about on-line competition and certainly it is something to be aware of, but perhaps my following statements will help put it into better perspective. I have taken notice over the last several months of a new clientele approaching unsolicited. These people have had on-line experience and have determined on their own to reach out locally. The common factor is communication (or lack thereof) with the on-line vendor. Some even have troubled with the overseas designer who speaks broken English and is always at a time delay disadvantage. Here is a statement, typical of what I have been receiving: "While many online services seem cost effective - I'd much rather work with someone that is geographically based locally, such as your company. This client is a small nonprofit, however I was referred by a corporate designer who knows your company by reputation and speaks highly of your services." Bottom line: be the company you have always been in terms of service and quality - you won't go wrong. Hope that makes your morning. Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed Mar 12 07:48:32 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed Mar 12 07:48:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PrinterPresence In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080311175507.03259a38@bucksdigital.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080311175507.03259a38@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <8CA525683A26E33-16E4-3ADB@WEBMAIL-MB15.sysops.aol.com> Good product.? But there what we hear a lot from our customers'? They Nickel & Dime you!? Check out websiteforprinters & compare what they charge as part of their package Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Herion To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 5:58 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] PrinterPresence ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Is anyone using or have reference to offer on PrinterPresence?? I had stopped to see them at the Boston show and I liked the pitch.? Just looking for any pro/cons if you have them.? Thanks in advance!? ? Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's? We use Recycled and Certified Papers? Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510? 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940? www.bucksdigital.com? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Wed Mar 12 08:05:47 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt) Date: Wed Mar 12 08:06:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PrinterPresence In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080311175507.03259a38@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: On 3/11/08 4:58 PM, "Bob Herion" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Is anyone using or have reference to offer on PrinterPresence? > I had stopped to see them at the Boston show and I liked the pitch. > Just looking for any pro/cons if you have them. > Thanks in advance! They are based here in Lincoln and because they also own a competing print shop, I went with Websites for Printers and have been very happy. I believe the feature offerings are comparable and it is considerably cheaper. Mike Stevens and his crew had us up and running in only a couple of days and have always been very helpful. Hope this helps. Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From ron at printingconcepts.com Wed Mar 12 08:25:57 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Wed Mar 12 08:24:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PrinterPresence In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080311175507.03259a38@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: We have used them for about 7 years. Hosting has not been a problem, I think their pricing is very reasonable and we have found them easy and fair to deal with. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Bob Herion Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 5:58 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] PrinterPresence ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Is anyone using or have reference to offer on PrinterPresence? I had stopped to see them at the Boston show and I liked the pitch. Just looking for any pro/cons if you have them. Thanks in advance! Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ron at printingconcepts.com Wed Mar 12 08:36:05 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Wed Mar 12 08:27:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PURLS (personal URL's) Message-ID: I visited the Mindfire booth at On Demand to look into starting doing PURL's for our customers. We do a lot of direct mail and this looks like the wave of the future. My questions, then are: 1. Has anyone done any campaigns with PURL's and what were the results? 2. Any other vendors out there I should be looking at? 3. Any experience with Mindfire? My salespeople are bitching that they don't want to become a marketing company, I'm not sure we'll have a choice. TIA Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Mar 12 08:48:20 2008 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Mar 12 08:49:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quote follow-ups In-Reply-To: <20080312.053350.27806.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080312.053350.27806.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <308f01c88447$bc2bf140$3483d3c0$@biz> I'm trying to systemize quote follow-ups and have developed a form (in "beta testing") that I'd be willing to share with anybody that's interested enuf to respond off-list. ...and I'm wondering if any of the rest of you have something structured and are willing to share what you'd doing and how you're doing it. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz From scott at printing-impressions.com Wed Mar 12 09:07:29 2008 From: scott at printing-impressions.com (K. Scott Schoppert) Date: Wed Mar 12 09:07:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM 6500/5500 In-Reply-To: <308f01c88447$bc2bf140$3483d3c0$@biz> Message-ID: <1b7e01c8844a$68db54b0$c801a8c0@Scott> Just wondering if anyone has NAQP contract pricing for the Konica Minolta C5500 color copier? I have a call into Chuck Slaughter, but he is not available until Thursday PM and I would like to get the info today if possible. Thanks, Scott K. Scott Schoppert Printing Impressions 68 Reliance Road Martinsburg, WV 25403 (304) 267-7327 scott@printing-impressions.com From prtquick at eos.net Wed Mar 12 09:24:13 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Wed Mar 12 09:21:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] We are recycling gods In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080312082742.03274bd0@bucksdigital.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080312082742.03274bd0@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <22578344-20B4-4499-B36D-4BB9CE126B91@eos.net> Check us out on Abitibi's web page! www.paperretriever.com Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing From brian at designotype.com Wed Mar 12 09:46:47 2008 From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen) Date: Wed Mar 12 09:45:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quote follow-ups References: <20080312.053350.27806.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> <308f01c88447$bc2bf140$3483d3c0$@biz> Message-ID: <11dc01c8844f$ec182fb0$6a01a8c0@brianspc> I have a system that works for me, that's pretty simple. Each quote that I do, whether I give out at the counter, mail, deliver or e-mail gets followed up on one way or another. I decide at the time I give the quote when I want to follow up... it may be one day or it may be a month depending on the job and what was discussed with the customer. (always ask them when they expect to make a decision and follow up before that) I enter the date in the note section of Printers Plan and file a copy of the quote (or just write the quote number on a piece of paper) and file it for the appropriate day in a tickler file that I have by my desk. The file has a hanging folder for each day of the month, numbered 1 - 31. Every day, in the morning, pull the folder for the day, remove the contents, if any and shift the hanging folder to the back of the file drawer. If the customer orders before it comes up for follow-up, we see the date in the note section and will go to the tickler file to get any notes related to the project. I can take a picture of the file if anyone is interested and may be understood better, although it's pretty simple. The key is to check the file every day. We have a similar tickler file for out csr that also has a hanging file for each month of the year (not just the days of the month that we use for everything else, but mine is just for quote follow-ups. Brian Helminen Designotype Printers, Inc. 22950 Airpark Blvd. Calumet, MI 49913 906-482-2424 Fax 906-482-2266 www.designotype.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:48 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Quote follow-ups > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'm trying to systemize quote follow-ups and have developed a form (in > "beta > testing") that I'd be willing to share with anybody that's interested enuf > to respond off-list. > > ...and I'm wondering if any of the rest of you have something structured > and > are willing to share what you'd doing and how you're doing it. From soneal at conestogadpi.com Wed Mar 12 10:10:40 2008 From: soneal at conestogadpi.com (Shawn O'Neal) Date: Wed Mar 12 10:10:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PURLS (personal URL's) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <009501c88453$3c64f360$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> Check out EasyPURL. They are less expensive and have some unique PURL's that puts the clients name first in the purl rather than last. They also are scalable where you do all design landing pages etc. or they can do everything. Shawn O'Neal - GM Conestoga dpi 246 N Lincoln Ave Lebanon PA 17046 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:36 AM To: printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] PURLS (personal URL's) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I visited the Mindfire booth at On Demand to look into starting doing PURL's for our customers. We do a lot of direct mail and this looks like the wave of the future. My questions, then are: 1. Has anyone done any campaigns with PURL's and what were the results? 2. Any other vendors out there I should be looking at? 3. Any experience with Mindfire? My salespeople are bitching that they don't want to become a marketing company, I'm not sure we'll have a choice. TIA Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Wed Mar 12 12:33:23 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Wed Mar 12 11:36:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] nexpress Message-ID: <008701c88467$2c7df7d0$8579e770$@com> I am looking at used Nexpress 2100 with Kodak doing the install. Anyone have who would not mind a phone call to answer some questions. Thanks John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1325 - Release Date: 3/11/2008 1:41 PM From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Wed Mar 12 11:54:17 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Wed Mar 12 11:54:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Entourage/Mail Question In-Reply-To: <008701c88467$2c7df7d0$8579e770$@com> Message-ID: I've recently installed Office 08' on my Mac, and have been testing out Entourage to use instead of Mac Mail. I have a few issues with Mac Mail, that Entourage seems to be better at, but am having an issue with my contacts. Does anyone know how to get Entourage to pull from my address book, rather than its internal contact storage? Thanks. Regards, Borzou www.falconprintandcopy.com t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Wed Mar 12 11:59:26 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Wed Mar 12 11:59:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Entourage/Mail Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry, never mind. I figured it out. On 3/12/08 12:54 PM, "Borzou Azabdaftari" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I've recently installed Office 08' on my Mac, and have been testing out > Entourage to use instead of Mac Mail. I have a few issues with Mac Mail, > that Entourage seems to be better at, but am having an issue with my > contacts. Does anyone know how to get Entourage to pull from my address > book, rather than its internal contact storage? Thanks. > > Regards, > > Borzou > > > www.falconprintandcopy.com > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Regards, Borzou www.falconprintandcopy.com t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Wed Mar 12 11:30:18 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Wed Mar 12 12:01:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Test In-Reply-To: <308f01c88447$bc2bf140$3483d3c0$@biz> References: <20080312.053350.27806.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> <308f01c88447$bc2bf140$3483d3c0$@biz> Message-ID: <000401c8845e$5c78ec00$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Hello....is everyone still in shock Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From brianoday at eprint.us Wed Mar 12 12:05:15 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Wed Mar 12 12:07:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PrinterPresence In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080311175507.03259a38@bucksdigital.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080311175507.03259a38@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <009a01c88463$3e1177a0$800101df@eprint.local> We have used them for at least 8 years and love their service. I can't remember our web site going down. They actually have a great produce and really nice customer support when you call. And they are always improving their offering. Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Herion Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:58 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] PrinterPresence ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Is anyone using or have reference to offer on PrinterPresence? I had stopped to see them at the Boston show and I liked the pitch. Just looking for any pro/cons if you have them. Thanks in advance! Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kk1127 at mindspring.com Wed Mar 12 12:10:10 2008 From: kk1127 at mindspring.com (John Hughes) Date: Wed Mar 12 12:10:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Floor Plans References: <009501c88453$3c64f360$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> Message-ID: <017401c88463$efafe550$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> We are looking to redesign our shop. I know I can do it by hand, but I was wondering if anyone had experience with an automated tool to do a floor plan. TIA John Hughes Kwik Kopy Printing kk1127@mindspring.com From prtquick at eos.net Wed Mar 12 12:47:19 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Wed Mar 12 12:44:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Floor Plans In-Reply-To: <017401c88463$efafe550$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> References: <009501c88453$3c64f360$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> <017401c88463$efafe550$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <946BD12D-C2CA-432E-9D11-DA14BC56F43D@eos.net> When we moved, I just did a custom grid in Quark (1 foor squares) and printed it out nice & big. I did squares ad shapes for furniture & equipment and did floor layout with that. I did not find an easy way to automate it. Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing On Mar 12, 2008, at 1:10 PM, John Hughes wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are looking to redesign our shop. > > I know I can do it by hand, but I was wondering if anyone had > experience with an automated tool to do a floor plan. > > TIA > > John Hughes > Kwik Kopy Printing > kk1127@mindspring.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From jgross at techiowa.com Wed Mar 12 12:45:18 2008 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Wed Mar 12 12:45:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Floor Plans In-Reply-To: <017401c88463$efafe550$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <002801c88468$d69cbac0$1e00000a@tech.local> We have an envelope with cover stock cutouts of each piece of equipment with clearances included. Great for design before drafting a final floor plan. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc Iowa City, Iowa 52240 techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Hughes Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:10 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Floor Plans ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are looking to redesign our shop. I know I can do it by hand, but I was wondering if anyone had experience with an automated tool to do a floor plan. TIA John Hughes Kwik Kopy Printing kk1127@mindspring.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jgross at techiowa.com Wed Mar 12 12:48:36 2008 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Wed Mar 12 12:48:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PrinterPresence In-Reply-To: <009a01c88463$3e1177a0$800101df@eprint.local> Message-ID: <002901c88469$508c1790$1e00000a@tech.local> Brian is correct. Whenever I call with a problem their response is "lettuce" help solve that problem. None of the "corn" that you might get from an Iowa company. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc Iowa City, Iowa 52240 techiowa.com -----Original Message----- They actually have a great produce and nice customer support when you call. And they are always improving their offering. Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Herion Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:58 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] PrinterPresence ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Is anyone using or have reference to offer on PrinterPresence? I had stopped to see them at the Boston show and I liked the pitch. Just looking for any pro/cons if you have them. Thanks in advance! Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bob at gallagherprint.com Wed Mar 12 12:59:39 2008 From: bob at gallagherprint.com (Bob Gallagher) Date: Wed Mar 12 12:59:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM 6500/5500 In-Reply-To: <1b7e01c8844a$68db54b0$c801a8c0@Scott> Message-ID: On 3/12/08 10:07 AM, "K. Scott Schoppert" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Just wondering if anyone has NAQP contract pricing for the Konica > Minolta C5500 color copier? > > I have a call into Chuck Slaughter, but he is not available until > Thursday PM and I would like to get the info today if possible. > This $10 billion corporation offers members discounts from 20%-50% and reduced click charges--discounted national pricing; industry leading technology; dedicated support team; advanced technical support; industry recognized service; direct representation; national programs and support. Call NAPL at 800.642.6275, Option 5 Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 http://www.gallagherprint.com An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network From Michael at wolfiesprint.com Wed Mar 12 13:07:33 2008 From: Michael at wolfiesprint.com (Michael Wolf) Date: Wed Mar 12 13:07:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PrinterPresence In-Reply-To: <8CA525683A26E33-16E4-3ADB@WEBMAIL-MB15.sysops.aol.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080311175507.03259a38@bucksdigital.com> <8CA525683A26E33-16E4-3ADB@WEBMAIL-MB15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001a01c8846b$f2115b50$d63411f0$@com> I agree about the Nickel and Dime thing - their service is good - but every little change is $$$ out of your pocket - a lot more than I expected - and I had to do a lot of work for them to convert to their web formats. I am not in love with their "Front Page" options and would dearly love to have a more exciting/interactive front page - not possible unless I spend $$$$! Their charges are NOT inexpensive, Especially for minor changes (this cost was not evident in the beginning -!) If I could go to the "Website for Printers" I would, but have lots of $$$ invested in the variable doc. system, and would have to redo this for the Customer Portals I have established - also I don't want to have to pay another lump sum up front to move over (to get to what I have now!) I have investigated with a web designer to replicate what PPresence has - and it is too expensive because their system is quite sophisticated! I would be interested to hear other users comments! So I am stuck with them! sincerely Michael Wolf THE WOLF PRINTING COMPANY email: michael@wolfiesprint.com Tel: 714.491.0500 Fax: 714.491.7276 1320 WEST SANTA ANA STREET (Just minutes from the Anaheim Convention Center) ANAHEIM, CA 92082 On-Line ordering at WWW.WOLFIESPRINT.COM PRINT - DESIGN - COPY - LABELS - STAMPS - WIDE FORMAT POSTERS & BANNERS PERSONAL SERVICE - PERSONAL SERVICE - PERSONAL SERVICE - PERSONAL SERVICE -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:49 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] PrinterPresence ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Good product.? But there what we hear a lot from our customers'? They Nickel & Dime you!? Check out websiteforprinters & compare what they charge as part of their package Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Herion To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 5:58 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] PrinterPresence ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Is anyone using or have reference to offer on PrinterPresence?? I had stopped to see them at the Boston show and I liked the pitch.? Just looking for any pro/cons if you have them.? Thanks in advance!? ? Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's? We use Recycled and Certified Papers? Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510? 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940? www.bucksdigital.com? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2941 (20080312) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2941 (20080312) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2942 (20080312) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From ron at printingconcepts.com Wed Mar 12 13:29:41 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Wed Mar 12 13:21:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Floor Plans In-Reply-To: <017401c88463$efafe550$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: I have used Visio by Microsoft, not too expensive and learning curve not too steep. We are designing a large addition right now. I draw the space to scale, then make card stock cutouts of all machinery in black with the work area also delineated on the cutouts only in light gray. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Hughes Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:10 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Floor Plans ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are looking to redesign our shop. I know I can do it by hand, but I was wondering if anyone had experience with an automated tool to do a floor plan. TIA John Hughes Kwik Kopy Printing kk1127@mindspring.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From prtquick at eos.net Wed Mar 12 13:26:16 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Wed Mar 12 13:23:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Equipment Valuation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8B112B64-422B-4A00-B8BA-E24913C0D1E1@eos.net> I am looking to get values for my equipment. We are looking at refinancing (our building) this spring, and our lender will want to know this. Does anyone know if NAQP/NAPL or PIA offers this? I pay my dues. I'd hate to do my 'research' on E-bay!! Thanks! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing From slb at inkspot.net Wed Mar 12 14:46:40 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Mar 12 13:49:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Floor Plans In-Reply-To: <002801c88468$d69cbac0$1e00000a@tech.local> References: <017401c88463$efafe550$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK>, <002801c88468$d69cbac0$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <47D7ECD0.23910.50D8578@slb.inkspot.net> We, too, are of the "paper dolls" school. We have 1" to the foot scale drawings of the shop, and identially scaled "paper dolls" of each piece of equipment. It's worked for us. I don't think an automated tool exists, unless you're just looking to do manual layout with a computer aid, like Autocad. Just as we were taught in operations management that there is no close-form solution for the "job shop" problem (many work centers, many jobs, not all jobs need all work centers, find the optimum schedule, like a printing shop), I can't imagine there's a way for a computer to optimize shop layout.... YMMV, Steve > > We have an envelope with cover stock cutouts of each piece of equipment with > clearances included. Great for design before drafting a final floor plan. > > John A. Gross > Technigraphics, Inc > Iowa City, Iowa 52240 > techiowa.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Hughes > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:10 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Floor Plans > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are looking to redesign our shop. > > I know I can do it by hand, > but I was wondering if anyone had experience > with an automated tool to do a floor plan. > > TIA > > John Hughes > Kwik Kopy Printing > kk1127@mindspring.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2942 (20080312) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From davek at epgvl.com Wed Mar 12 14:49:49 2008 From: davek at epgvl.com (Dave Knapp) Date: Wed Mar 12 13:51:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Floor Plans In-Reply-To: <017401c88463$efafe550$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> References: <009501c88453$3c64f360$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> <017401c88463$efafe550$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <47D833DD.4080607@epgvl.com> John, I used this about 4 months ago. It's a bit cumbersome to use for our purposes, but it's free. http://www.cadsoft1.com You're looking for Envisioneer 4. Please note new information: Dave Knapp Express Press 501B Richardson Street Simpsonville, SC 29681 864/757-9652 864/757-9654 Fax DaveK@epgvl.com www.epgvl.com John Hughes wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are looking to redesign our shop. > > I know I can do it by hand, but I was wondering if anyone had > experience with an automated tool to do a floor plan. > > TIA > > John Hughes > Kwik Kopy Printing > kk1127@mindspring.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From mkahny at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 13:52:58 2008 From: mkahny at gmail.com (Michael Kahny) Date: Wed Mar 12 13:53:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Floor Plans In-Reply-To: <017401c88463$efafe550$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> References: <009501c88453$3c64f360$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> <017401c88463$efafe550$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <7bb924c10803121152v5a5c5f89g917276ddbd7dba03@mail.gmail.com> I would think this is a good use of the free SketchUp program from Google. - Mike Michael T. Kahny Kahny Printing Inc. Cincinnati, OH On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 1:10 PM, John Hughes wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are looking to redesign our shop. > > I know I can do it by hand, > but I was wondering if anyone had experience > with an automated tool to do a floor plan. > > TIA > > John Hughes > Kwik Kopy Printing > kk1127@mindspring.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From bherion at bucksdigital.com Wed Mar 12 13:58:30 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Wed Mar 12 13:58:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: We are recycling gods In-Reply-To: <20080312165942.1EA4AE70C26@rb.enter.net> References: <20080312165942.1EA4AE70C26@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080312145620.0329a150@bucksdigital.com> Good job. Good promo. Coulda got a better looking guy to pose, though... ;) At 12:59 PM 3/12/2008, you wrote: >Check us out on Abitibi's web page! > >www.paperretriever.com > > >Scott Finke Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From kevin at proprinters.ca Wed Mar 12 14:01:50 2008 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin at PRO Printers) Date: Wed Mar 12 14:02:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Floor Plans References: <009501c88453$3c64f360$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> <017401c88463$efafe550$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <00b801c88473$872ae560$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> We set everything up in CorelDraw. We made components like the walls, windows and pillars - items that could not be moved - immovable in the layout on the master page. We made boxes and other shapes representing furniture and equipment and then moved them around on subsequent pages. Once we had a design that looked good, we would save that page and then start another page trying some different options. We came up with about 4 or 5 designs, then discussed those, eliminating ideas and altering others as we went along, finally deciding on a final design. If we ever redesign again, much of the work is already done so it should be easier next time around. Hopefully, I'll be retired by then - the design was the easy part. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hughes" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:10 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Floor Plans > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are looking to redesign our shop. > > I know I can do it by hand, but I was wondering if anyone had experience > with an automated tool to do a floor plan. From dennis.trump at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 14:35:45 2008 From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump) Date: Wed Mar 12 14:35:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM 6500/5500 In-Reply-To: <1b7e01c8844a$68db54b0$c801a8c0@Scott> References: <308f01c88447$bc2bf140$3483d3c0$@biz> <1b7e01c8844a$68db54b0$c801a8c0@Scott> Message-ID: <41aa6a080803121235s58d1bbbfj5aadc9c9e81fa1f2@mail.gmail.com> > Just wondering if anyone has NAQP contract pricing for the Konica > Minolta C5500 color copier? > Chuck's in Orlando with us. I just saw him a few hours ago at breakfast. I'm guessing he'll be back in the office tomorrow. -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 From prtquick at eos.net Wed Mar 12 14:43:04 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Wed Mar 12 14:40:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Floor Plans In-Reply-To: <7bb924c10803121152v5a5c5f89g917276ddbd7dba03@mail.gmail.com> References: <009501c88453$3c64f360$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> <017401c88463$efafe550$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> <7bb924c10803121152v5a5c5f89g917276ddbd7dba03@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8AE3D85E-5458-43F2-9EEA-094A6A07D69A@eos.net> I've never used Google Sketch-up - but my 11 year old son plays with it all the time - it is easy to learn! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:52 PM, Michael Kahny wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I would think this is a good use of the free SketchUp program from > Google. > - Mike > > Michael T. Kahny > Kahny Printing Inc. > Cincinnati, OH > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 1:10 PM, John Hughes > wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> We are looking to redesign our shop. >> >> I know I can do it by hand, >> but I was wondering if anyone had experience >> with an automated tool to do a floor plan. >> >> TIA >> >> John Hughes >> Kwik Kopy Printing >> kk1127@mindspring.com >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From sgfinke at fuse.net Wed Mar 12 14:42:24 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Wed Mar 12 14:47:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: We are recycling gods In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080312145620.0329a150@bucksdigital.com> References: <20080312165942.1EA4AE70C26@rb.enter.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20080312145620.0329a150@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <4DC91739-0BC7-44B8-97C2-09D51C45AD47@fuse.net> This is the press release I wrote and sent out to the local paper. They printed it, without changing a thing, on the front page. Apparently Abitibi found it and picked it up for their web site -- we didn't send it to them. Poor Scott, if I'd known how often the picture would be used I would have waited a couple of hours until he didn't have to squint against the sun when I took it! Anyway, not bad publicity for one press release! It cost nothing -- which is, incidentally, what we make on our recycling :-) Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:58 PM, Bob Herion wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Good job. > Good promo. > Coulda got a better looking guy to pose, though... ;) > > At 12:59 PM 3/12/2008, you wrote: >> Check us out on Abitibi's web page! >> >> www.paperretriever.com >> >> >> Scott Finke > > Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's > We use Recycled and Certified Papers > Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 > 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 > www.bucksdigital.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From ericdarwin1 at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 14:47:02 2008 From: ericdarwin1 at gmail.com (Eric Darwin) Date: Wed Mar 12 14:47:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Floor Plans In-Reply-To: <017401c88463$efafe550$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> References: <009501c88453$3c64f360$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> <017401c88463$efafe550$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: A few years ago my son, then 12, downloaded the free software from Google called Sketchup. He created a 3d model of the shop space and most of the pieces of equipment. We then created several different layouts. The 3D layouts allow one to fly through the space like a bird, or walk through it at a selected height (eg 5'5") or even move palets through the space. Most of the models of the presses (QM, GTO, CLC5100s, racking, etc) we left on the public domain where anyone can reuse them. The program was not difficult for the computer literate to master. At the end, he created a mini-movie of the site layout, which you can see at my former company's web site, www.CieloPrint.ca , on the second page, click on take a virtual tour. After viewing the color copier room, the "camera" rises up through the floor to the mezannine level and tours the offices. -Eric Darwin EricDarwin1@gmail.com EricDarwin.ca On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 1:10 PM, John Hughes wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are looking to redesign our shop. > > I know I can do it by hand, > but I was wondering if anyone had experience > with an automated tool to do a floor plan. > > TIA > > John Hughes > Kwik Kopy Printing > kk1127@mindspring.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Eric Darwin. www.EricDarwin.ca From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Mar 12 14:47:53 2008 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Mar 12 14:48:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: We are recycling gods In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080312145620.0329a150@bucksdigital.com> References: <20080312165942.1EA4AE70C26@rb.enter.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20080312145620.0329a150@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <32dc01c88479$f6a3d360$e3eb7a20$@biz> Scott - Was the photo taken before or after you were recycled? Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Herion Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:59 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: We are recycling gods ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Good job. Good promo. Coulda got a better looking guy to pose, though... ;) At 12:59 PM 3/12/2008, you wrote: >Check us out on Abitibi's web page! > >www.paperretriever.com > > >Scott Finke Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From k_graham at hotmail.com Wed Mar 12 14:28:08 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Wed Mar 12 15:26:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Floor Plans - 1st do a workflow References: <009501c88453$3c64f360$b506a8c0@CopierComputer><017401c88463$efafe550$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> <00b801c88473$872ae560$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: Before doing any drawing I did a workflow diagram,(many) this is harder than one might think as you have to decide if work flows one end to the other and out shipping door or in our case routes back to front for billing and pick up by customer. In addition one has overlaps like cutting full size stock to fit press then return again as finishing bindery. Once the workflow is perfect lay it on your building drawing and figure if its your building or workflow that has to be changed. Before purchasing the DI I went from paper cutouts to computer. We used Coreldraw, I first scanned the building plan which I had managed to get a copy of from City Hall. I locked the scan in place and drew the solid objects over top. Corel has scales so you can work at something like 1/4" per foot or something metric if you prefer. After you are done with the scan you can save a new copy and delete the scan. I can say it was nice being able to drag the DI image in through the double doors and to the press room on screen compared to the real thing and to put it the correct direction for the workflow. Our exception even then was to remote position the water cooler 40 feet away in the furnace room with outside venting so we don't have to add airconditiong to make up for the probably 2 or 3 ton cooling unit. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com Dawson Creek BC 250-782-7108 From prtquick at eos.net Wed Mar 12 15:57:09 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Wed Mar 12 15:54:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: We are recycling gods In-Reply-To: <32dc01c88479$f6a3d360$e3eb7a20$@biz> References: <20080312165942.1EA4AE70C26@rb.enter.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20080312145620.0329a150@bucksdigital.com> <32dc01c88479$f6a3d360$e3eb7a20$@biz> Message-ID: <77BB0D68-B173-488A-9A37-F07EF5216B4D@eos.net> I claim to be made up of only 20% post-consumer waste, though some say my percentage may be higher : ) Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - On Mar 12, 2008, at 3:47 PM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Scott - > > Was the photo taken before or after you were recycled? > > Dan > Sir Speedy Printing Center > 5845 Hollywood Boulevard > Hollywood, FL 33021 > tel. 954.962.1309 > fax 954.962.1366 > dan@myprinter.biz > www.myprinter.biz > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Herion > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:59 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: We are recycling gods > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Good job. > Good promo. > Coulda got a better looking guy to pose, though... ;) > > At 12:59 PM 3/12/2008, you wrote: >> Check us out on Abitibi's web page! >> >> www.paperretriever.com >> >> >> Scott Finke > > Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's > We use Recycled and Certified Papers > Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 > 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 > www.bucksdigital.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From joseph at mauiprintworks.com Wed Mar 12 15:54:56 2008 From: joseph at mauiprintworks.com (Joseph Marsh) Date: Wed Mar 12 15:55:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 9x12 Window Catalog source needed Message-ID: <51F32EF6-5E9C-4FAC-B59D-56976D00DD77@mauiprintworks.com> Does anyone have a good source for 9x12 window Catalog envelope with a Peel n Stick adhesive? From what I can tell it is a standard window placement. We are looking for about 3500 envelopes. Thanks. Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 Cell: 808-264-6382 joseph@mauiprintworks.com From swiftyprinting at mac.com Wed Mar 12 15:59:29 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Wed Mar 12 15:59:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BUY - SELL Incorporated In-Reply-To: <51F32EF6-5E9C-4FAC-B59D-56976D00DD77@mauiprintworks.com> References: <51F32EF6-5E9C-4FAC-B59D-56976D00DD77@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: <337BAAFD-FEDE-492E-AC50-0B5874EAA7BC@mac.com> Anyone have experience with Buy-Sell Incorporated in Lexington Kentucky? We are looking to sell our Rollem 990. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From segass at heritageprinting.com Wed Mar 12 16:05:16 2008 From: segass at heritageprinting.com (Steve Gass) Date: Wed Mar 12 16:05:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BUY - SELL Incorporated In-Reply-To: <337BAAFD-FEDE-492E-AC50-0B5874EAA7BC@mac.com> Message-ID: <00bc01c88484$c6346090$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> RUN . . . Run fast from this guy. He is BAD news. Thanks, Steve Gass Heritage Printing & Graphics, Inc. Cell: 240-298-0102 Visit our NEW website at www.heritageprinting.com Our Mission: To help your company achieve better results by improving the image you project in the marketplace. We offer mailing services for First and Presort Standard class mailings including Non-Profits. We handle everything from concept...to printing...to mailing! We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider and a Microsoft Publisher Service Provider. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:59 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: SPAM-LOW: [PrintOwners] BUY - SELL Incorporated ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Anyone have experience with Buy-Sell Incorporated in Lexington Kentucky? We are looking to sell our Rollem 990. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From brianoday at eprint.us Wed Mar 12 16:16:11 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Wed Mar 12 16:18:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: [Print Owners] Equipment Valuation In-Reply-To: <8B112B64-422B-4A00-B8BA-E24913C0D1E1@eos.net> References: <8B112B64-422B-4A00-B8BA-E24913C0D1E1@eos.net> Message-ID: <00e001c88486$4c1a1140$800101df@eprint.local> A few years ago our bank wanted something similar. I made the list myself put prices on it and they accepted it. I was shocked myself when I got to the total. We buy equipment every year and it is amazing how much it adds up. NAPL does do this however it would probably involve someone coming out and spending a day or two and would not be free! Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Finke Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:26 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Equipment Valuation ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am looking to get values for my equipment. We are looking at refinancing (our building) this spring, and our lender will want to know this. Does anyone know if NAQP/NAPL or PIA offers this? I pay my dues. I'd hate to do my 'research' on E-bay!! Thanks! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ron at printingconcepts.com Wed Mar 12 16:33:40 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Wed Mar 12 16:33:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Equipment Valuation In-Reply-To: <8B112B64-422B-4A00-B8BA-E24913C0D1E1@eos.net> Message-ID: Scott: I discussed this with my bank and they accepted an appraisal of my equipment from a local equipment dealer. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Scott Finke Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:26 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Equipment Valuation ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am looking to get values for my equipment. We are looking at refinancing (our building) this spring, and our lender will want to know this. Does anyone know if NAQP/NAPL or PIA offers this? I pay my dues. I'd hate to do my 'research' on E-bay!! Thanks! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ron at printingconcepts.com Wed Mar 12 16:43:47 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Wed Mar 12 16:51:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: [Print Owners] Equipment Valuation In-Reply-To: <00e001c88486$4c1a1140$800101df@eprint.local> Message-ID: When you are doing your equipment valuation, you should also consider other factors. We do a valuation year end for Orderly Sale Liquidation Value Insurance Replacement Value Replacement value can vary widely from the Sale value since many items in the even of a fire, etc. could not be found on the used market readily and would have to be replaced by new. Good time to check also that your insurance is replacement value insurance. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Brian O'Day Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:16 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: [Print Owners] Equipment Valuation ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** A few years ago our bank wanted something similar. I made the list myself put prices on it and they accepted it. I was shocked myself when I got to the total. We buy equipment every year and it is amazing how much it adds up. NAPL does do this however it would probably involve someone coming out and spending a day or two and would not be free! Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Finke Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:26 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Equipment Valuation ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am looking to get values for my equipment. We are looking at refinancing (our building) this spring, and our lender will want to know this. Does anyone know if NAQP/NAPL or PIA offers this? I pay my dues. I'd hate to do my 'research' on E-bay!! Thanks! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From brian at designotype.com Wed Mar 12 16:19:16 2008 From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen) Date: Wed Mar 12 16:55:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Personalized playing cards References: <00bc01c88484$c6346090$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> Message-ID: <133001c88486$ba4d2080$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Doses anyone have a source for personalized playing cards that I can direct my customer to order from? I don't want to get involved except to help them find a source. A search on Google gives lots of hits, but .... any recommendations? Brian Helminen Designotype Printers, Inc. 22950 Airpark Blvd. Calumet, MI 49913 906-482-2424 Fax 906-482-2266 www.designotype.com From npiprinting at verizon.net Wed Mar 12 17:00:25 2008 From: npiprinting at verizon.net (Steve Fairchild) Date: Wed Mar 12 17:00:51 2008 Subject: FREE? Re: [PrintOwners] Floor Plans In-Reply-To: <47D833DD.4080607@epgvl.com> References: <009501c88453$3c64f360$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> <017401c88463$efafe550$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> <47D833DD.4080607@epgvl.com> Message-ID: <47D85279.70908@verizon.net> Where do we get the free part of this. Dave Knapp wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > John, > > I used this about 4 months ago. It's a bit cumbersome to use for our > purposes, but it's free. > > http://www.cadsoft1.com > > You're looking for Envisioneer 4. > > Please note new information: > Dave Knapp > Express Press > 501B Richardson Street > Simpsonville, SC 29681 > 864/757-9652 > 864/757-9654 Fax > DaveK@epgvl.com > www.epgvl.com > > > > > John Hughes wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> We are looking to redesign our shop. >> >> I know I can do it by hand, but I was wondering if anyone had >> experience with an automated tool to do a floor plan. >> >> TIA >> >> John Hughes >> Kwik Kopy Printing >> kk1127@mindspring.com >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- Thanks, Charles S. Fairchild, President Nicholas Printing, Inc. 1109 Broad Street Summersville, WV 26651 1-304-872-5906 - Phone 1-304-872-5923 - Fax npiprinting@verizon.net www.nicholasprinting.com From brianoday at eprint.us Wed Mar 12 17:07:20 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Wed Mar 12 17:09:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Personalized playing cards In-Reply-To: <133001c88486$ba4d2080$6a01a8c0@brianspc> References: <00bc01c88484$c6346090$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> <133001c88486$ba4d2080$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Message-ID: <00f201c8848d$714dd300$800101df@eprint.local> I goggled this and it seems like everyone has them try Wal-Mart! (Really they were $20) Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brian Helminen Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:19 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Personalized playing cards ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Doses anyone have a source for personalized playing cards that I can direct my customer to order from? I don't want to get involved except to help them find a source. A search on Google gives lots of hits, but .... any recommendations? Brian Helminen Designotype Printers, Inc. 22950 Airpark Blvd. Calumet, MI 49913 906-482-2424 Fax 906-482-2266 www.designotype.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Mar 12 17:41:51 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 12 17:42:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Equipment Valuation Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/2008 5:34:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ron@printingconcepts.com writes: Scott: I discussed this with my bank and they accepted an appraisal of my equipment from a local equipment dealer. A word to the wise.... just remember that buyers of a business are not buying assets but rather what those assets will generate in "excess earnings." While assets will normally sell at some discounted value (much lower these days than in the past), the "excess earnings" they produce are worth far more, since in most valuation formulas they are multiplied by some earnings multiplier. Larry and I discuss this quite a bit in our new book. All things being equal (yes, I know that is rarely if ever the case), a business generating excess earnings of say $200,000 per year with $75,000 in hard, transferable assets, is worth almost as much as a business generating the same excess earnings with $150,000 in transferable assets. Some would argue that a business is actually worth more the fewer hard assets it has. Obviously this can be taken to an extreme. However, the lesson to be learned is to structure and manage a business that can generate the maximum amount of excess earnings with the fewest assets possible. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt and myself. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From ron at printingconcepts.com Wed Mar 12 18:13:03 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Wed Mar 12 18:04:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Equipment Valuation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, John, you make some excellent points, but the focus of my comments was a valuation to secure a loan, and tangentially, insurance. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:42 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Equipment Valuation ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 3/12/2008 5:34:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ron@printingconcepts.com writes: Scott: I discussed this with my bank and they accepted an appraisal of my equipment from a local equipment dealer. A word to the wise.... just remember that buyers of a business are not buying assets but rather what those assets will generate in "excess earnings." While assets will normally sell at some discounted value (much lower these days than in the past), the "excess earnings" they produce are worth far more, since in most valuation formulas they are multiplied by some earnings multiplier. Larry and I discuss this quite a bit in our new book. All things being equal (yes, I know that is rarely if ever the case), a business generating excess earnings of say $200,000 per year with $75,000 in hard, transferable assets, is worth almost as much as a business generating the same excess earnings with $150,000 in transferable assets. Some would argue that a business is actually worth more the fewer hard assets it has. Obviously this can be taken to an extreme. However, the lesson to be learned is to structure and manage a business that can generate the maximum amount of excess earnings with the fewest assets possible. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt and myself. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 12 17:16:21 2008 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Wed Mar 12 18:15:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Floor Plans References: <009501c88453$3c64f360$b506a8c0@CopierComputer><017401c88463$efafe550$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK><7bb924c10803121152v5a5c5f89g917276ddbd7dba03@mail.gmail.com> <8AE3D85E-5458-43F2-9EEA-094A6A07D69A@eos.net> Message-ID: <00ea01c8848e$b42debf0$0301a8c0@Leah> Yeah, But the 11 year olds got the edge on some of us. Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Finke" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Floor Plans > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I've never used Google Sketch-up - but my 11 year old son plays with it > all the time - it is easy to learn! > > > Scott Finke > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Visit our new location! > > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Phone: (513) 522.2679 > Fax (513) 522.2692 > Email: info@brentwood-printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > www.Brentwood-Printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Send us your file at: > http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Quick. Quality. Printing > > > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:52 PM, Michael Kahny wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I would think this is a good use of the free SketchUp program from >> Google. >> - Mike >> >> Michael T. Kahny >> Kahny Printing Inc. >> Cincinnati, OH >> >> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 1:10 PM, John Hughes >> wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> We are looking to redesign our shop. >>> >>> I know I can do it by hand, >>> but I was wondering if anyone had experience >>> with an automated tool to do a floor plan. >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> John Hughes >>> Kwik Kopy Printing >>> kk1127@mindspring.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1325 - Release > Date: 3/11/2008 1:41 PM > > From sos at olympus.net Wed Mar 12 18:25:28 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Mar 12 18:23:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Valuation References: Message-ID: <02d001c88498$5be09740$6900a8c0@DANIEL> However, the lesson to be learned is to > structure and manage a business that can generate the maximum amount of > excess > earnings with the fewest assets possible. ===================== I've always heard it is better to be over equipped than over employee'ed. So having less equipment is not necessarily the way to produce maximum excess earnings. Otherwise a print broker with no equipment at all would have a huge valuation. Which they normally don't. Just a slightly contrary point. . . Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Mar 12 18:35:01 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 12 18:35:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Valuation Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/2008 7:24:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sos@olympus.net writes: So having less equipment is not necessarily the way to produce maximum excess earnings. Otherwise a print broker with no equipment at all would have a huge valuation. Which they normally don't. First, let me respond to the second statement first. You simply cannot compare a retail/wholesale equipment business (whose business is to buy and sell equipment) against a manufacturing business. The valuation principles are simply different. If you can produce the same excess earnings with fewer dollars invested in equipment, especially equipment that depreciates significantly, you are simply better off. That's where one of the key ratios "return on net assets" really comes into play. The problem in this industry is under utilization of existing equipment and personnel, not over utilization. If an owner can produce $1 million in sales with $100,000 of currently valued transferable net assets then why on earth would he want to purchase another $100,000 in assets to do the same in sales? Those scenarios exist frequently in this industry. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt and myself. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Mar 12 18:36:22 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 12 18:36:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Equipment Valuation Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/2008 7:07:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ron@printingconcepts.com writes: Yes, John, you make some excellent points, but the focus of my comments was a valuation to secure a loan, and tangentially, insurance. I agree Ron, and I didn't mean to appear to be responding your email, but rather to an under-current discussion. Sorry for the confusion. I just picked one of the emails I had read to begin my response and yours was unfortunately the one I chose. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt and myself. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From sos at olympus.net Wed Mar 12 19:31:13 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Mar 12 19:29:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Valuation References: Message-ID: <02fc01c884a1$8b4efdb0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > If an owner can produce $1 million in sales with $100,000 of currently > valued transferable net assets then why on earth would he want to purchase > another > $100,000 in assets to do the same in sales? Those scenarios exist > frequently > in this industry. ====================== Because maybe if he purchased another $100,000 in equipment he could produce that same $1 million in sales with two fewer employees and save $60,000 per year. Payment on $100,000 worth of equipment being about $10,000 per year he'd be $50,000 per year ahead. That's what I was getting at. More equipment isn't necessarily bad. Less equipment isn't necessarily good. Excess earnings is the goal. Ah so, the trick is to be in balance, grasshopper. Not too much. Not too little. The ying and the yang in balance. More specifically, in our business, you really don't need a million dollar press to do a pretty full range of work. A $25,000 to $50,000 color copier can go a long way to getting you there these days. And of course you can always job out to our good buddies, the gang run internet printers. If it's a standard item. And further of course, some printers make poor buying decisions and give equipment buying a bad name. can I go home now? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From newtone at cox.net Wed Mar 12 21:07:54 2008 From: newtone at cox.net (Newtone) Date: Wed Mar 12 20:07:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 9x12 Window Catalog source needed In-Reply-To: <51F32EF6-5E9C-4FAC-B59D-56976D00DD77@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: Try Southland Envelope in Lakeside, Ca. (San Diego area) www.southlandenvelope.com Bob Newton Town & country Printers, Inc. Santee, CA -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:55 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] 9x12 Window Catalog source needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does anyone have a good source for 9x12 window Catalog envelope with a Peel n Stick adhesive? From what I can tell it is a standard window placement. We are looking for about 3500 envelopes. Thanks. Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 Cell: 808-264-6382 joseph@mauiprintworks.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1327 - Release Date: 3/12/2008 1:27 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1327 - Release Date: 3/12/2008 1:27 PM From michael at sirspeedy7099.com Wed Mar 12 20:11:09 2008 From: michael at sirspeedy7099.com (michael@sirspeedy7099.com) Date: Wed Mar 12 20:11:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Floor Plans Message-ID: We did the "paper doll" layout also, but I put each of the pieces on a magnet and the floor plan on a metal shelf so anyone, pressman, bindery person etc.. could easily play around with different layout scenarios. Sometimes simple is best. Michael Brown Sir Speedy Printing Center 443 West Chester Pike Havertown PA 19083-4595 (610) 789-2685 Fax (610) 789-2695 michael@sirspeedy7099.com www.sirspeedy7099.com >-----Original Message----- >From: Steve Blatman [mailto:slb@inkspot.net] >Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 03:46 PM >To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Floor Plans > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We, too, are of the "paper dolls" school. We have 1" to the foot >scale drawings of the shop, and identially scaled "paper dolls" of >each piece of equipment. It's worked for us. > >I don't think an automated tool exists, unless you're just looking to >do manual layout with a computer aid, like Autocad. Just as we were >taught in operations management that there is no close-form solution >for the "job shop" problem (many work centers, many jobs, not all >jobs need all work centers, find the optimum schedule, like a >printing shop), I can't imagine there's a way for a computer to >optimize shop layout.... > >YMMV, >Steve > > > > >> >> We have an envelope with cover stock cutouts of each piece of equipment with >> clearances included. Great for design before drafting a final floor plan. >> >> John A. Gross >> Technigraphics, Inc >> Iowa City, Iowa 52240 >> techiowa.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Hughes >> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:10 PM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Floor Plans >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> We are looking to redesign our shop. >> >> I know I can do it by hand, >> but I was wondering if anyone had experience >> with an automated tool to do a floor plan. >> >> TIA >> >> John Hughes >> Kwik Kopy Printing >> kk1127@mindspring.com >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 2942 (20080312) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > >Steve Blatman >Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >Tel: 610-647-0776 >Fax: 610-647-4560 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From John at mpcny.com Thu Mar 13 07:42:26 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Thu Mar 13 06:44:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: [Print Owners] Equipment Valuation In-Reply-To: <20080312230504.E1183E71E2F@rb.enter.net> References: <20080312230504.E1183E71E2F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <005901c88507$b1440770$13cc1650$@com> Ron is 100% right in our purchase we did the same 3 breakouts. I bought in the low range but my and his estimate for the bank was far higher. We used a local equipment dealer, he came up took some photos and did 3 reports. Cost me $500. (He waived the fee as he is buying and selling me some things) The bank was happy and accepted it. Made me feel like whole subprime market. My banker admitted it is hard for them to value this type of thing. He also figures he would be lucky getting 50% on the dollar if he had to repo the equipment. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1327 - Release Date: 3/12/2008 1:27 PM From craig at newhavenprint.com Thu Mar 13 07:46:30 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Thu Mar 13 07:42:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PURLS (personal URL's) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080313124224.25A3DE732BE@rb.enter.net> > I visited the Mindfire booth at On Demand to look into > starting doing PURL's for our customers. We do a lot of > direct mail and this looks like the wave of the future. My > questions, then are: > 1. Has anyone done any campaigns with PURL's and what were > the results? We started doing PURL's a couple months ago. At first just for ourself. Self-promotional. Now we're working on some customer campaigns. It's not a get it today - have it done tomorrow proposition. The results so far have been great, and our customers are extremely excited about it. > 2. Any other vendors out there I should be looking at? We have Mindfire. I looked at the others (including EasyPurl) before we went with Mindfire. I liked the features, support and dashboard better with Mindfire. A few dollars in upfront costs are pretty much meaningless in the big picture. > 3. Any experience with Mindfire? > Ron Taggart, President > PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. Mindfire has been really good with training, support, functionality, etc. They have "Coaches Corner" webinars every month with the CEO that are interactive and very informative. They really work with you on the marketing, best practices, and selling Purls. The training is excellent. The campaign manager training is very thorough, they make sure you understand the functionality before you're developing your sites. You can set up your customers with their own password protected dashboard to watch their campaign results. Support has been responsive and patient. Overall, I'd highly recommend the company and the services they're providing. Our first "Purl" promotional mailing went out to some current customers, prospective customers, advertising agencies and CMO's (Chief Marketing Officers) of some larger corporations. We used DirectSmile software to create a Vegas theme with the person's name featured in neon signs all over the front of the cards (about 12 signs). We offered to put their names in a drawing for an iPod if they went to their PURL. From there, we collected their information and asked if they'd like to attend a free "lunch and learn" seminar about variable data printing and purls. We ended up with a list of over 100 people wanting to come to the seminars. We're scheduling about three a week with 6 to 8 people per session - we'll just keep going every week. We get them in, do a quick tour to see the entire shop, then do a presentation while they're eating their lunch. Response so far has been fantastic. They're really enthused about this new way of marketing and by the end of the session, you can tell the gears are turning in their heads considering all the possibilities. I really think this is going to drive our digital sales in the next couple years. If you contact Mindfire, tell them you want the "Dennis Trump" special. He got a great deal last week. Much better than the deal they gave me. ;-) Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From ron at printingconcepts.com Thu Mar 13 07:59:22 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Thu Mar 13 07:59:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PURLS (personal URL's) In-Reply-To: <20080313124224.25A3DE732BE@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Thanks Craig for some very useful information. What did you pay for the Direct Smile software? Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Craig Dellinger Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 8:47 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] PURLS (personal URL's) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > I visited the Mindfire booth at On Demand to look into > starting doing PURL's for our customers. We do a lot of > direct mail and this looks like the wave of the future. My > questions, then are: > 1. Has anyone done any campaigns with PURL's and what were > the results? We started doing PURL's a couple months ago. At first just for ourself. Self-promotional. Now we're working on some customer campaigns. It's not a get it today - have it done tomorrow proposition. The results so far have been great, and our customers are extremely excited about it. > 2. Any other vendors out there I should be looking at? We have Mindfire. I looked at the others (including EasyPurl) before we went with Mindfire. I liked the features, support and dashboard better with Mindfire. A few dollars in upfront costs are pretty much meaningless in the big picture. > 3. Any experience with Mindfire? > Ron Taggart, President > PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. Mindfire has been really good with training, support, functionality, etc. They have "Coaches Corner" webinars every month with the CEO that are interactive and very informative. They really work with you on the marketing, best practices, and selling Purls. The training is excellent. The campaign manager training is very thorough, they make sure you understand the functionality before you're developing your sites. You can set up your customers with their own password protected dashboard to watch their campaign results. Support has been responsive and patient. Overall, I'd highly recommend the company and the services they're providing. Our first "Purl" promotional mailing went out to some current customers, prospective customers, advertising agencies and CMO's (Chief Marketing Officers) of some larger corporations. We used DirectSmile software to create a Vegas theme with the person's name featured in neon signs all over the front of the cards (about 12 signs). We offered to put their names in a drawing for an iPod if they went to their PURL. From there, we collected their information and asked if they'd like to attend a free "lunch and learn" seminar about variable data printing and purls. We ended up with a list of over 100 people wanting to come to the seminars. We're scheduling about three a week with 6 to 8 people per session - we'll just keep going every week. We get them in, do a quick tour to see the entire shop, then do a presentation while they're eating their lunch. Response so far has been fantastic. They're really enthused about this new way of marketing and by the end of the session, you can tell the gears are turning in their heads considering all the possibilities. I really think this is going to drive our digital sales in the next couple years. If you contact Mindfire, tell them you want the "Dennis Trump" special. He got a great deal last week. Much better than the deal they gave me. ;-) Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From stalprint at charter.net Thu Mar 13 07:54:31 2008 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Thu Mar 13 08:03:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Helpful Hint for Ryobi 3302 owners Message-ID: <47D92407.3020301@charter.net> Service tech told me about these 10 mm wrenches. They are about 2" longer than regular which allows operator a better reach into the plate cylinder. Northern Tools sells them http://preview.tinyurl.com/ywpdqm -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From stalprint at charter.net Thu Mar 13 07:53:35 2008 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Thu Mar 13 08:07:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Helpful Hint for Rybi 3302 owners Message-ID: <47D923CF.2070203@charter.net> Service tech told me about these 10 mm wrenches. They are about 2" longer than regular which allows operator a better reach into the plate cylinder. Northern Tools sells them http://preview.tinyurl.com/ywpdqm -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From craig at newhavenprint.com Thu Mar 13 08:26:06 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Thu Mar 13 08:23:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP / NAPL Conference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080313132333.EACB9E734B8@rb.enter.net> Now that's I'm back to the real world, here are some tidbits from NAPL's Total Management Conference. Like I mentioned earlier, it seems like you always learn more talking to people in the hallways, bars and restaurants, but a lot of the sessions were very informative. One in particular that resonates with some of the discussion recently was on "going green". They talked about the FSC certifications and others. No matter how everyone feels about it, I think that's going to be a necessity sooner rather than later. When the speaker asked how many companies were already FSC certified, I was expecting a few. Probably 70% of the room raised their hands. Obviously, the larger printers have a jump on us. Their customers are already demanding compliance. I'm sure it will filter down to us. Might as well just do it. One of the more entertaining speakers was Warren Werbitt. You might not recognize his name, but he's the President of Pazazz Printing (aka the Printing Fanatic from the youtube video everyone was passing around a month ago). He actually now owns offices in Montreal, New York and Shanghai. He has a very green shop and has used this as a selling point (to the tune of about 14 million in annual sales). Here is a link to his "green printing" video that was broadcast on a local news station. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY7zFi_T6hY Of course digital printing, purls, fulfillment, ratios, and HR were discussed fully. Another highlight was a speaker from RR Donnelly talking about the 4 distinct generations we're all dealing with. They are the Traditionalists (born before 1945); the Baby Boomers (1946 to 1964); Generation X (1965 to 1980); and the Millennials (1981 to 1999). He had interesting perspectives on what motivates and drives each group. Overall a very worthwhile trip. It was great to re-unite with old friends and make some new ones. Hope to see a lot more of you at the NAQP Owners Conference in Chicago this fall. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From craig at newhavenprint.com Thu Mar 13 08:42:58 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Thu Mar 13 08:38:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: DirectSmile In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080313133844.5C99FE73535@rb.enter.net> > Thanks Craig for some very useful information. > What did you pay for the Direct Smile software? > Ron Taggart, President > PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. There are several ways you can purchase the software licensing depending on your needs. And there are a lot of different versions. We got the SE version with Smiley's. What that means is you purchase the license to use the software, but you pay a "click" charge (Smileys) for each image you create. That runs about a nickel per image unless you buy a large volume. We also got a database output driver to integrate with other software, the PPML license, a variety of templates and our first 20,000 Smiley's. It cost about $5000. I think pricing with this company will vary depending on the currency conversion rate. You can also purchase an unlimited version of the software without the Smiley's for about $15,000. But then you have a support cost of several thousand $$ a year. As long as you're on the Smiley plan, all upgrades and support are included. Overall, I think it's a very cool and unique program. It integrates with InDesign very well and the documents you can generate are very distinctive. Here's their web site. You can download a free trial if you'd like. www.directsmile.de You can also download their template catalog to get an idea how powerful this solution is. We're working with them to become a NAQP sponsoring vendor. Hopefully be this fall, they'll be on board and at Chicago. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From brian at designotype.com Thu Mar 13 07:53:00 2008 From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen) Date: Thu Mar 13 08:39:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Peter Ebner References: <20071129152753.LOMD13968.berlinr.can.rogers.com@w2k> <009301c832b0$d3fbb320$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Message-ID: <13b801c88509$312afd80$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Kathy: I just came across an old post (how old of a post are we allowed to reply to?) by you on Peter Ebner. I have his book AND tapes. He's not a motivational type (at least not on the tapes), but I think he has lots of sound advice on how to sell, writing quotes etc... The reason I bought them was I talked to him at a conference and I asked him approximately what percentage of quotes should we be getting? I thought my % was low. His answer was it depends on many things, but.... my book and tapes will pay for themselves in a short time if you use only a couple of the ideas in them. Since then I have listened to them many times, to the point where my kids quote him! Brian Helminen Designotype Printers, Inc. 22950 Airpark Blvd. Calumet, MI 49913 906-482-2424 Fax 906-482-2266 www.designotype.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Henry" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:54 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Peter Ebner > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I was just pursuing our new NAPL Publications Catalog and ran across books > from Peter Ebner, who NAPL is touting as "The Printing Industry's Leading > Sales Trainer". > > Anyone use him, hear him or know about him? I am looking for more > motivational stuff for the new year coming up. What I mainly want to know > is > if he is more of a large firm oriented guy or not. > > > > Kathleen Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing > From robin at protypeonline.com Thu Mar 13 08:54:50 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Thu Mar 13 08:55:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] X-rite Shrink Wrap unit Message-ID: <6D9AC42A-7B44-441F-871E-E985186CE25A@protypeonline.com> we need to get some replacement parts for our x-rite L-sealer shrink wrap unit -- I don't remember the model number right now and I'm sitting at the airport trying to get a few more things done....our unit is about 15-20 years old, gray metal, heat tunnel, we need to replace the wires on the bar that comes down and hits the sponge cushion. I refuse to order from our regular supplier as he is being rather immature and is not giving us good service and his attitude when we call!!!!! He is upset with me because I went with another long- time supplier of ours that was able to provide an identical product for less money and ON TIME! Anyway, I'm looking for a new supplier for this and other small graphics supplies, parts, equipment. Off to Atlanta I go......in search of more business! Just not enough in Paxton to keep us busy!!! :)))) Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From craig at newhavenprint.com Thu Mar 13 09:13:27 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Thu Mar 13 09:09:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PrinterPresence In-Reply-To: <002901c88469$508c1790$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <20080313140912.771C3E736C7@rb.enter.net> > Is anyone using or have reference to offer on PrinterPresence? > I had stopped to see them at the Boston show and I liked the pitch. > Just looking for any pro/cons if you have them. > Thanks in advance! > Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our > iGen3's We use Recycled and Certified Papers We've been a PrinterPresence customer for a long time. They've always had great service, great product, easy to work with. They host our email (including an effective server based spam filter), host our website with portals, on-line proofing, and now we're getting into using the Versa-Doc for on-line ordering. I just recently got an email from them stating that they now integrate with Printer's Plan. I'm not sure of the details on how it works yet, but it sounds like the customer can place an order from their portal (at that time they do their own typesetting/proofing), we'll receive a press (or digital) ready pdf file (already imposed/crops/separations/etc.), AND the order will be transferred into Printer's Plan. How cool is that? Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From bernies at printnetusa.com Thu Mar 13 09:11:09 2008 From: bernies at printnetusa.com (Bernie Schreiber) Date: Thu Mar 13 09:11:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] X-rite Shrink Wrap unit In-Reply-To: <6D9AC42A-7B44-441F-871E-E985186CE25A@protypeonline.com> References: <6D9AC42A-7B44-441F-871E-E985186CE25A@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <00a101c88514$16989e40$0b000078@blsofficen01> Robin We have a Clamco Unit & we can purchase from them, but as I recall XpedX was selling replacement items at the same price. PrintNet USA, Inc. Cockrill Bend Industrial Park 7005 Westbelt Drive Nashville, TN 37209 Bernie Schreiber bernies@printnetusa.com 615.385.9100 Fax 615.298.4234 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 8:55 AM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] X-rite Shrink Wrap unit ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** we need to get some replacement parts for our x-rite L-sealer shrink wrap unit -- I don't remember the model number right now and I'm sitting at the airport trying to get a few more things done....our unit is about 15-20 years old, gray metal, heat tunnel, we need to replace the wires on the bar that comes down and hits the sponge cushion. I refuse to order from our regular supplier as he is being rather immature and is not giving us good service and his attitude when we call!!!!! He is upset with me because I went with another long- time supplier of ours that was able to provide an identical product for less money and ON TIME! Anyway, I'm looking for a new supplier for this and other small graphics supplies, parts, equipment. Off to Atlanta I go......in search of more business! Just not enough in Paxton to keep us busy!!! :)))) Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From peter at keystonepress.com Thu Mar 13 09:11:32 2008 From: peter at keystonepress.com (Peter Church) Date: Thu Mar 13 09:14:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] X-rite Shrink Wrap unit In-Reply-To: <6D9AC42A-7B44-441F-871E-E985186CE25A@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <005701c88514$24e5f6f0$7d01a8c0@key.local> Robin. I had one of those X-rite shrinkwrap machines and it worked great. When I needed parts I called X-rite and they gave me the name and number of a guy, I think he is in Florida, who took over their parts when they got out of the business. He was very helpful and even provided me with a new motor for the conveyor belt when it went bad. If you can't find him through X-rite, email me and I will search through my files for his contact information. We got rid of the X-rite a few years ago and I do not have his name in front of me. Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:55 AM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] X-rite Shrink Wrap unit ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** we need to get some replacement parts for our x-rite L-sealer shrink wrap unit -- I don't remember the model number right now and I'm sitting at the airport trying to get a few more things done....our unit is about 15-20 years old, gray metal, heat tunnel, we need to replace the wires on the bar that comes down and hits the sponge cushion. I refuse to order from our regular supplier as he is being rather immature and is not giving us good service and his attitude when we call!!!!! He is upset with me because I went with another long- time supplier of ours that was able to provide an identical product for less money and ON TIME! Anyway, I'm looking for a new supplier for this and other small graphics supplies, parts, equipment. Off to Atlanta I go......in search of more business! Just not enough in Paxton to keep us busy!!! :)))) Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Thu Mar 13 10:16:43 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Thu Mar 13 09:18:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] EasyPurl Message-ID: <003201c8851d$3f34a660$bd9df320$@com> I tried EasyPurl last year for a one off for a customer. I found them great in the sales process but not so good after. They were on me every week to buy and promised to make this a turnkey solution for this customer. I paid a $1500 deposit and went to work on the campaign, we designed the mailing and concept the customer was ecstatic, then the purl. Let me just post my customers comment. "The piece was terrible...what else can I say, it is a creative thing" The landing page looked my first attempt at web design about a decade ago. It took about 2 weeks to even do the mock up and promised it in 2-3 days. The date of the event was then less than 3 weeks away, no way to book a trip that would include airfare and I have not even printed it let alone mail time. End result customer put the project on hold to this summer and I had to fight for a refund. They felt they completed their end by throwing a page up and we should have worked through the design issues, while hiding behind the signed contract. I had have Amex reverse the charges. (Turnabout for me and Amex from last year) Luckily I had email trails of times and their failed response. In the end they gave up and I got my money back via amex. I spent time looking at about 4 systems Mindfire and EasyPurl came down to the final 2. Easypurl was in NYC and felt good talking with them. I also did not want to buy the whole system and take a chance on my internal design for new account. I felt I would leave it to the experts and pay more for them to handle it. Easypurl may well have the system down but they failed me and my customer. I lost a lot of time and almost a lot of money. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1327 - Release Date: 3/12/2008 1:27 PM From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Thu Mar 13 09:34:53 2008 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Thu Mar 13 09:35:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thanks Craig for info on PURLs and Direct Smile Message-ID: I greatly appreciate the time you took to share that kind of detail. It helped me quite a bit. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying From stalprint at charter.net Thu Mar 13 09:41:48 2008 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Thu Mar 13 09:42:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] X-rite Shrink Wrap unit In-Reply-To: <6D9AC42A-7B44-441F-871E-E985186CE25A@protypeonline.com> References: <6D9AC42A-7B44-441F-871E-E985186CE25A@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <47D93D2C.8070108@charter.net> Thought I had good supplier on the wire, but can not find it. You probably need the tape that the wire hits also. You can get it at http://preview.tinyurl.com/2bhnek or http://preview.tinyurl.com/x39j Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > we need to get some replacement parts for our x-rite L-sealer shrink > wrap unit -- I don't remember the model number right now and I'm > sitting at the airport trying to get a few more things done....our > unit is about 15-20 years old, gray metal, heat tunnel, we need to > replace the wires on the bar that comes down and hits the sponge > cushion. I refuse to order from our regular supplier as he is being > rather immature and is not giving us good service and his attitude > when we call!!!!! He is upset with me because I went with another > long- time supplier of ours that was able to provide an identical > product for less money and ON TIME! > Anyway, I'm looking for a new supplier for this and other small > graphics supplies, parts, equipment. > Off to Atlanta I go......in search of more business! Just not enough > in Paxton to keep us busy!!! :)))) > Robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From peter at keystonepress.com Thu Mar 13 09:41:48 2008 From: peter at keystonepress.com (Peter Church) Date: Thu Mar 13 09:44:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Parts for X-rite Shrinkwrap machines. Message-ID: <000c01c88518$5f8d3c60$7d01a8c0@key.local> A few people have asked me to publish the name of the company that is in the business of supplying X-Rite shrinkwrap machine parts. It was a few years ago, but he was very helpful to me. I just called the number and there is an answering machine, so he must still be in business. He is Kevin at Lakaba Equipment at phone 606-249-3975. You should know your model number and serial number before calling him. Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 From randy at actionprintingokc.com Thu Mar 13 09:52:21 2008 From: randy at actionprintingokc.com (Randy McConnell) Date: Thu Mar 13 09:52:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Parts for a Standard Bind Fast 5 Message-ID: Does anyone have a source for parts for the Standard Bindfast 5. I need a snap disc thermostat for this machine. Thanks Randy Randy McConnell Action Printing 1429 W. Main Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 73106 405-235-5956 Fax 405-235-5961 randy@actionprintingokc.com www.actionprintingokc.com From robin at protypeonline.com Thu Mar 13 10:54:34 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Thu Mar 13 10:54:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: NAQP Message-ID: <6507C0B6-F6BF-4D10-BEBF-BA97448ED7A8@protypeonline.com> Cora, I was on a business trip to the Atlanta, GA area the last several days and so missed your big announcement of FINALLY joining NAQP. Soooo, what took you so long?!!! :))) I have no doubt, NAQP membership will benefit your business' future and your growth as an owner. Welcome aboard and thank you for your vote of confidence in OUR association. :) robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From sciesemier at pagepath.com Thu Mar 13 10:59:56 2008 From: sciesemier at pagepath.com (Steve Ciesemier) Date: Thu Mar 13 10:56:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PrinterPresence In-Reply-To: <20080313140912.771C3E736C7@rb.enter.net> References: <002901c88469$508c1790$1e00000a@tech.local> <20080313140912.771C3E736C7@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: > I just recently got an email from them stating that > they now integrate with Printer's Plan. That sounds familiar to something I read 4 years ago, Craig. :-) http://tinyurl.com/yuzygl -Steve *********************************************************** Steve Ciesemier PagePath Technologies, Inc. 13 East Main Street Plano, IL 60545-1521 Phone: 630-689-4112 Fax: 630-604-1156 mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com http://www.pagepath.com MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage International & Best of Breed by Xerox *********************************************************** From sgfinke at fuse.net Thu Mar 13 11:05:07 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Thu Mar 13 11:04:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP / NAPL Conference In-Reply-To: <20080313132333.EACB9E734B8@rb.enter.net> References: <20080313132333.EACB9E734B8@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <5EA23181-1C8C-4CA0-BEFD-BBCE4A2C1497@fuse.net> I heard a very interesting speaker on a radio program the other day who works with employers on motivating Millennial workers. He wouldn't give out his secrets, obviously, but he said that this group has grown up expecting their jobs and careers to be temporary, and they don't expect a lot from their employers -- or think the employers should expect a lot from them. He said the most overlooked thing about these employees is that they as a group are willing to work hard and put in a good day's work. In other words, they don't slack off. But that's all they're willing to do. And he said they are not motivated to do more by the traditional things -- especially overtime pay. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Mar 13, 2008, at 9:26 AM, Craig Dellinger wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Now that's I'm back to the real world, here are some tidbits from > NAPL's > Total Management Conference. Like I mentioned earlier, it seems > like you > always learn more talking to people in the hallways, bars and > restaurants, > but a lot of the sessions were very informative. One in particular > that > resonates with some of the discussion recently was on "going > green". They > talked about the FSC certifications and others. No matter how > everyone feels > about it, I think that's going to be a necessity sooner rather than > later. > When the speaker asked how many companies were already FSC > certified, I was > expecting a few. Probably 70% of the room raised their hands. > Obviously, the > larger printers have a jump on us. Their customers are already > demanding > compliance. I'm sure it will filter down to us. Might as well just > do it. > One of the more entertaining speakers was Warren Werbitt. You might > not > recognize his name, but he's the President of Pazazz Printing (aka the > Printing Fanatic from the youtube video everyone was passing around > a month > ago). He actually now owns offices in Montreal, New York and > Shanghai. He > has a very green shop and has used this as a selling point (to the > tune of > about 14 million in annual sales). Here is a link to his "green > printing" > video that was broadcast on a local news station. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY7zFi_T6hY > Of course digital printing, purls, fulfillment, ratios, and HR were > discussed fully. Another highlight was a speaker from RR Donnelly > talking > about the 4 distinct generations we're all dealing with. They are the > Traditionalists (born before 1945); the Baby Boomers (1946 to 1964); > Generation X (1965 to 1980); and the Millennials (1981 to 1999). He > had > interesting perspectives on what motivates and drives each group. > Overall a very worthwhile trip. It was great to re-unite with old > friends > and make some new ones. > Hope to see a lot more of you at the NAQP Owners Conference in > Chicago this > fall. > > Craig Dellinger > New Haven Print & Copy > 7531 US 930 East > Fort Wayne, IN 46803 > 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 > www.newhavenprint.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Thu Mar 13 11:07:43 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Thu Mar 13 11:08:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Free Xerox WC7345 Color Copier In-Reply-To: <003201c8851d$3f34a660$bd9df320$@com> References: <003201c8851d$3f34a660$bd9df320$@com> Message-ID: <3477030E-A94B-46A2-94AA-FE1164090E94@bellsouth.net> Xerox has been trying to get back in the door here for over 20 years. The local rep is persistent and he knows his stuff. But I am not in the market for color or B&W for another year or two, which he knows. But he wants me to place a Xerox WC7345 Color copier in our store at no charge for 30 months. No installation fees, no lease or rental. We would pay a click rate of .089 for color & .0129 for B&W, with 11 x 17 & 12 x 18 counting as one click. There is no minimum. If it sat here for 30 months and we did 0 copies there would be no cost. This is a national program, not one created just for us. Obviously the click rate is higher than our CPP500. We would only use it if we were seriously overloaded, or if the Cpp500 was down and we had to meet a deadline. That being said, I don't anticipate using it much, if at all. Also, as it is an office environment type machine, there are no color adjustments, etc... So trying to decide to get in and let it sit here or not, just in case.... Anyone have any experience with one of these? If so, is the quality acceptable for most jobs? Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 From robin at protypeonline.com Thu Mar 13 11:23:36 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Thu Mar 13 11:24:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xpedx ? Message-ID: <86CF66FF-D51A-42B0-AC1D-7993DD2E8BCB@protypeonline.com> I have never done business with Xpedx. Wondering what your experiences have been? I have a long-time and great working relationship with existing paper supplier (Midland) but do need to find an alternate supplier for plate material and press supplies, some bindery supplies. My closest dealer/location is approx. 150 miles from me. Thought I would get some information from current or past customers before contacting their customer service rep. Service? competitive pricing? :) Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Mar 13 11:25:57 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Thu Mar 13 11:25:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: NAQP In-Reply-To: <6507C0B6-F6BF-4D10-BEBF-BA97448ED7A8@protypeonline.com> References: <6507C0B6-F6BF-4D10-BEBF-BA97448ED7A8@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <006501c88526$eb027f40$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Thanks Robin. I thought I was too small I didn't realize that there are things for us small shops too. I have found out that OCE also sells the Konica Minolta and their prices are less that the Konica Minolta dealership here in town. I haven't gotten a final price yet, but they are talking to me about the OCE CS620. This is a Konica Minolta with their name on it. They also have the OCE CS650 which is the 6500. This is the machine that they really want to sell me, but I think it is bigger than my shop I am really amazed at the different things it can do. You can even get a perfect binder for it!!! They are getting prices ready for me, but I won't do anything until I talk to Chuck. For anyone that has the Lanier machines, I called their tech support yesterday because I am still having bad problems with mine and ask if they had a machine that will do gloss. They tech told me that they don't. So no matter what the salesman tells you. It is not true. My salesman is now trying to roll over my lease on this machine into a Lanier 260c and he assures me that it will run the gloss. The tech department says no! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Fax: 316-854-0321 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 10:55 AM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: NAQP ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Cora, I was on a business trip to the Atlanta, GA area the last several days and so missed your big announcement of FINALLY joining NAQP. Soooo, what took you so long?!!! :))) I have no doubt, NAQP membership will benefit your business' future and your growth as an owner. Welcome aboard and thank you for your vote of confidence in OUR association. :) robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2945 (20080313) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Thu Mar 13 11:41:48 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Thu Mar 13 11:58:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ink jet addressing Using a copier In-Reply-To: References: > Message-ID: No, we don't. A decent % of the jobs with envelopes we can address the letter on the copier and put into a window envelope. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of David Monto Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:13 PM To: Printowners Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Ink jet addressing Using a copier ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On 3/11/08 5:34 PM, "Mark Lake" wrote: > We address probably 90% of our mailings on copier/laser printers. > > > Mark Lake Don't do many envelopes, huh? -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net -- "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: Checking... http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: Checking... http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From sherwood at ctsbroadband.com Thu Mar 13 12:05:40 2008 From: sherwood at ctsbroadband.com (Bob Sherwood) Date: Thu Mar 13 12:06:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price for addressing flyers Message-ID: <007801c8852c$795359e0$01fea8c0@cumberla1> Customer is having us to run 1500 flyers. Then they want us to address them to the recipients. Merged a mailing list from Excel to Microsoft Word and will print the address on the unfolded flyer thru the copier. Should take about 75 minutes to finish. Have no idea what to charge for this service? Bob Sherwood Cumberland Printing 2201 N. Main St. Monticello, KY 42633 606-348-4517 From rcataldo at suddenlink.net Thu Mar 13 12:13:18 2008 From: rcataldo at suddenlink.net (rcataldo@suddenlink.net) Date: Thu Mar 13 12:13:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price for addressing flyers In-Reply-To: <007801c8852c$795359e0$01fea8c0@cumberla1> Message-ID: <20080313121318.2CWOG.182005.root@Web02> We would normally charge .06 ea for the copier addressing. Dick Cataldo Pressmark Inc Marietta, OH 45750 ---- Bob Sherwood wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Customer is having us to run 1500 flyers. Then they want us to address them to the recipients. Merged a mailing list from Excel to Microsoft Word and will print the address on the unfolded flyer thru the copier. Should take about 75 minutes to finish. > > Have no idea what to charge for this service? > > > Bob Sherwood > Cumberland Printing > 2201 N. Main St. > Monticello, KY 42633 > 606-348-4517 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mail at myprinter.biz Thu Mar 13 12:18:16 2008 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Thu Mar 13 12:19:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xpedx ? In-Reply-To: <86CF66FF-D51A-42B0-AC1D-7993DD2E8BCB@protypeonline.com> References: <86CF66FF-D51A-42B0-AC1D-7993DD2E8BCB@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <38ac01c8852e$3a17fea0$ae47fbe0$@biz> Robin - Xpedx has been okay for us as one of our three main suppliers. Service is not as good as our main supplier, Paper Plus/Unisource, which gives us same-day-ordered (often same-morning-ordered) deliveries, but better than our third choice vendor, Mac Papers. Pricing between Paper Plus and Xpedx is generally comparable, though one should shop, on occasion...and a good example of that was Mac charging us for parent sheets of Excel carbonless 70% of what we were quoted by Xpedx for Appleton NCR. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:24 PM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Xpedx ? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have never done business with Xpedx. Wondering what your experiences have been? I have a long-time and great working relationship with existing paper supplier (Midland) but do need to find an alternate supplier for plate material and press supplies, some bindery supplies. My closest dealer/location is approx. 150 miles from me. Thought I would get some information from current or past customers before contacting their customer service rep. Service? competitive pricing? :) Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From eric at digi-print.com Thu Mar 13 13:22:21 2008 From: eric at digi-print.com (Eric Weber) Date: Thu Mar 13 12:22:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PrinterPresence In-Reply-To: References: <002901c88469$508c1790$1e00000a@tech.local> <20080313140912.771C3E736C7@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: At 10:59 AM -0500 3/13/08, Steve Ciesemier wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> I just recently got an email from them stating that >> they now integrate with Printer's Plan. > >That sounds familiar to something I read 4 years ago, Craig. :-) > >http://tinyurl.com/yuzygl > >-Steve >*********************************************************** >Steve Ciesemier And eerily familiar to a conversation I had with Tawnya Starr about integration with PrintSmith. Steve, I am presuming that there was no final (and positive) outcome to the "plans"? If that's the case, sounds like just another sales pitch to get someone on board. I am not saying this to bash Printer's Presence. I used them for years, but currently am using WFP. Both are good providers, just figure out who you want to work with and go with it. I think we see where previous promises of integration have gone ..... -- *********************************************************************** Eric Weber Sales / General Manager / Vice President PrintDigital Inc. 4688 Darrow Rd., Stow, OH 44224 330-686-5945 Fax 330-686-5329 www.digi-print.com eric@digi-print.com ***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and delete this copy from your system. Thank you for your co-operation. *********************************************************************** From sciesemier at pagepath.com Thu Mar 13 12:46:36 2008 From: sciesemier at pagepath.com (Steve Ciesemier) Date: Thu Mar 13 12:42:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PrinterPresence, MyOrderDesk In-Reply-To: References: <002901c88469$508c1790$1e00000a@tech.local><20080313140912.771C3E736C7@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: > Steve, I am presuming that there was no final (and positive) outcome > to the "plans"? It was finalized and working in February of 2005, Eric. Quick Printing magazine published the announcement a few months later as I recall. Keep in mind we've been leading the way for a long time. You may recall that the PDF2U "File > Print" file delivery and automated proofing system was initially released in 1998 for example. -Steve *********************************************************** Steve Ciesemier PagePath Technologies, Inc. 13 East Main Street Plano, IL 60545-1521 Phone: 630-689-4112 Fax: 630-604-1156 mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com http://www.pagepath.com MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage International & Best of Breed by Xerox *********************************************************** From slb at inkspot.net Thu Mar 13 12:38:04 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Mar 13 12:45:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Franklin Printers' Supply? - Phila area question In-Reply-To: <86CF66FF-D51A-42B0-AC1D-7993DD2E8BCB@protypeonline.com> References: <86CF66FF-D51A-42B0-AC1D-7993DD2E8BCB@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <47D9202C.926.44D9B2@slb.inkspot.net> I've been trying to call Franklin in Phila. for the past day and a half, and have been getting a constant busy signal. Did they close? Does anyone know how to contact John Goodman (their Duplo service expert)? TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From david at commercialpressink.com Thu Mar 13 13:02:13 2008 From: david at commercialpressink.com (David) Date: Thu Mar 13 12:55:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xpedx ? In-Reply-To: <86CF66FF-D51A-42B0-AC1D-7993DD2E8BCB@protypeonline.com> References: <86CF66FF-D51A-42B0-AC1D-7993DD2E8BCB@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <47D96C25.4060803@commercialpressink.com> Our experience with Xpedx is very good(Syracuse NY store)we have dealt with them for the last 18 years, it was Alling and Cory before Xpedx.Im sure service and pricing varies from store to store. My situation is like yours in that the place is 150 miles away, i have my order the next day UPS. Pricing sometimes on some things i find can be higher from Xpedx but overall very competitive. Good luck Robin! David Charleson Commercial Press 216 Cowan Rd Canton NY 13617 P 315-386-3431 david@commercialpressink.com www.commercialpressink.com Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have never done business with Xpedx. Wondering what your experiences > have been? I have a long-time and great working relationship with > existing paper supplier (Midland) but do need to find an alternate > supplier for plate material and press supplies, some bindery supplies. > My closest dealer/location is approx. 150 miles from me. > Thought I would get some information from current or past customers > before contacting their customer service rep. Service? competitive > pricing? > :) > Robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From slb at inkspot.net Thu Mar 13 10:47:07 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Mar 13 12:56:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rollem feed tip In-Reply-To: <47D92407.3020301@charter.net> References: <47D92407.3020301@charter.net> Message-ID: <47D9062B.11286.103535@slb.inkspot.net> Our press guy just got our Rollem Auto 4 to feed much better by trimming the blue sleeve on the lower shaft a bit narrower, and putting one of the control o-rings on either side of the blue sleeve. He says that's the way they did it at his previous employer's shop, but he'd never seen any Rollem literature about it, and didn't realize how much difference it'd make. Is this a good tip, or are we the last ones in the world to figure this out? Any other good Rollem tips? TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu Mar 13 13:18:25 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu Mar 13 13:19:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: NAQP In-Reply-To: <006501c88526$eb027f40$6401a8c0@corapurvine> References: <6507C0B6-F6BF-4D10-BEBF-BA97448ED7A8@protypeonline.com> <006501c88526$eb027f40$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <8CA534DC3574EB5-158-F9A@WEBMAIL-DG12.sim.aol.com> DO NOT!!!? I repeat DO NOT!!!? My Lanier salesmen knew I was letting their machine go cause of all the problems the 5813 was having.? So they also tried to make a deal with me with a new box. I just laughed & told after all your company put me thru no thanks. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Cora Purvine To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:25 pm Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] RE: NAQP ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thanks Robin. I thought I was too small I didn't realize that there are things for us small shops too. I have found out that OCE also sells the Konica Minolta and their prices are less that the Konica Minolta dealership here in town. I haven't gotten a final price yet, but they are talking to me about the OCE CS620. This is a Konica Minolta with their name on it. They also have the OCE CS650 which is the 6500. This is the machine that they really want to sell me, but I think it is bigger than my shop I am really amazed at the different things it can do. You can even get a perfect binder for it!!! They are getting prices ready for me, but I won't do anything until I talk to Chuck. For anyone that has the Lanier machines, I called their tech support yesterday because I am still having bad problems with mine and ask if they had a machine that will do gloss. They tech told me that they don't. So no matter what the salesman tells you. It is not true. My salesman is now trying to roll over my lease on this machine into a Lanier 260c and he assures me that it will run the gloss. The tech department says no! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Fax: 316-854-0321 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 10:55 AM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: NAQP ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Cora, I was on a business trip to the Atlanta, GA area the last several days and so missed your big announcement of FINALLY joining NAQP. Soooo, what took you so long?!!! :))) I have no doubt, NAQP membership will benefit your business' future and your growth as an owner. Welcome aboard and thank you for your vote of confidence in OUR association. :) robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2945 (20080313) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Mar 13 13:25:54 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Thu Mar 13 13:25:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: NAQP In-Reply-To: <8CA534DC3574EB5-158-F9A@WEBMAIL-DG12.sim.aol.com> References: <6507C0B6-F6BF-4D10-BEBF-BA97448ED7A8@protypeonline.com><006501c88526$eb027f40$6401a8c0@corapurvine> <8CA534DC3574EB5-158-F9A@WEBMAIL-DG12.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <00a601c88537$aca29210$6401a8c0@corapurvine> I'm not going to. Thanks Tommy! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Fax: 316-854-0321 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 1:18 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: NAQP ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** DO NOT!!!? I repeat DO NOT!!!? My Lanier salesmen knew I was letting their machine go cause of all the problems the 5813 was having.? So they also tried to make a deal with me with a new box. I just laughed & told after all your company put me thru no thanks. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Cora Purvine To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:25 pm Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] RE: NAQP ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thanks Robin. I thought I was too small I didn't realize that there are things for us small shops too. I have found out that OCE also sells the Konica Minolta and their prices are less that the Konica Minolta dealership here in town. I haven't gotten a final price yet, but they are talking to me about the OCE CS620. This is a Konica Minolta with their name on it. They also have the OCE CS650 which is the 6500. This is the machine that they really want to sell me, but I think it is bigger than my shop I am really amazed at the different things it can do. You can even get a perfect binder for it!!! They are getting prices ready for me, but I won't do anything until I talk to Chuck. For anyone that has the Lanier machines, I called their tech support yesterday because I am still having bad problems with mine and ask if they had a machine that will do gloss. They tech told me that they don't. So no matter what the salesman tells you. It is not true. My salesman is now trying to roll over my lease on this machine into a Lanier 260c and he assures me that it will run the gloss. The tech department says no! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Fax: 316-854-0321 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 10:55 AM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: NAQP ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Cora, I was on a business trip to the Atlanta, GA area the last several days and so missed your big announcement of FINALLY joining NAQP. Soooo, what took you so long?!!! :))) I have no doubt, NAQP membership will benefit your business' future and your growth as an owner. Welcome aboard and thank you for your vote of confidence in OUR association. :) robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2945 (20080313) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2945 (20080313) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Thu Mar 13 13:30:00 2008 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King) Date: Thu Mar 13 13:30:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Franklin Printers' Supply? - Phila area question In-Reply-To: <47D9202C.926.44D9B2@slb.inkspot.net> References: <86CF66FF-D51A-42B0-AC1D-7993DD2E8BCB@protypeonline.com> <47D9202C.926.44D9B2@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <000301c88538$3f758bb0$be60a310$@com> Franklin Printer's Supply is officially kaput and permanently out of business. As I understand it, some of their people went to G.E. Richards. You might try them. Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 1:38 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Franklin Printers' Supply? - Phila area question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I've been trying to call Franklin in Phila. for the past day and a half, and have been getting a constant busy signal. Did they close? Does anyone know how to contact John Goodman (their Duplo service expert)? TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Thu Mar 13 13:41:17 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Mar 13 13:41:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xpedx ? References: <86CF66FF-D51A-42B0-AC1D-7993DD2E8BCB@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <03b001c88539$d34edc50$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Niewold" > I have never done business with Xpedx. Wondering what your experiences > have been? ================= I've never bought paper from xpedx either, but I bought our DPX platemaker through them, and the install was great, it worked flawlessly for over three years, but a bearing went out on the drive shaft and stripped a gear out and it wasn't working for a while. The repair tech got up at 4:00 AM and met me here at the shop at 5:30 to fit me in and get it up and running. Now that's service despite being very busy. The other repair tech was out of town doing a press install. They are Ryobi dealers. He had another appointment in downtown Seattle at 9 AM and was probably a little late, but he made it. I'm sure it varies by locality, but the local guys here are great. They also fixed my Rollem, when the factory installed the wrong gears on it and it wouldn't run straight and they (Rollem) just couldn't believe I wasn't an idiot who couldn't run any equipment. (now that it's fixed, I can run it just fine thank you) Anyway, thumbs up on xpedx service department NW. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Mar 13 14:08:29 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Mar 13 14:09:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xpedx ? In-Reply-To: <86CF66FF-D51A-42B0-AC1D-7993DD2E8BCB@protypeonline.com> References: <86CF66FF-D51A-42B0-AC1D-7993DD2E8BCB@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <200803131909.m2DJ9YCg084064@i2bnetworks.com> Regions vary. You're rural, I'm not. So my experiences may not reflect what yours may be. Xpdex gets about 95% of business. We order through their website just about every day, pallets of paper here by 6:30 the next morning at our back doors. They rarely screw up and almost never have anything back ordered. We have no minimums but we order about $15,000 a month so we try to keep the orders to at least $500/day so the salesguy gets his full commission. Becasue we partner in this way we gets some very radical price reductions off far right pricing on items we use a lot of. Its all programmed into the website for us to see, so we never have to scrutinize our bills. All in all, a very efficient way to do business. S. At 09:23 AM 3/13/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I have never done business with Xpedx. Wondering what your experiences >have been? I have a long-time and great working relationship with >existing paper supplier (Midland) but do need to find an alternate >supplier for plate material and press supplies, some bindery supplies. >My closest dealer/location is approx. 150 miles from me. >Thought I would get some information from current or past customers >before contacting their customer service rep. Service? competitive >pricing? >:) >Robin > >Robin Niewold >Pro-Type Printing, Inc. >130 N. Market Street >Paxton, IL 60957 >217.379.4715 >robin@protypeonline.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2945 (20080313) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Thu Mar 13 14:14:18 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt) Date: Thu Mar 13 14:15:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xpedx ? In-Reply-To: <86CF66FF-D51A-42B0-AC1D-7993DD2E8BCB@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: On 3/13/08 11:23 AM, "Robin Niewold" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have never done business with Xpedx. Wondering what your experiences > have been? Hi Robin, We have worked with Xpedx almost from the first day we opened in 1980 when they were still Western Paper. For the most part it has been a great relationship with a few hiccups along the way, mostly since International Paper bought them. The local sales people tend to start whining about small orders and threatening large minimums every now and again. When they do, we try to leave for a while and give our business to two of the locally owned suppliers. However, neither of them can compete with the vast inventory Xpedx has in Omaha and also within a one day service area, so we are usually back ordering from them after a while. Right now no one is calling on us and we like that! They give us (and I'm assuming all the other printers) 15% off last bracket plus special pricing on most commodity items like 20# bond and regular envelopes. Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Mar 13 14:17:34 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Mar 13 14:18:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: NAQP In-Reply-To: <006501c88526$eb027f40$6401a8c0@corapurvine> References: <6507C0B6-F6BF-4D10-BEBF-BA97448ED7A8@protypeonline.com> <006501c88526$eb027f40$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <200803131918.m2DJIdHe086739@i2bnetworks.com> Cora, you need to ditch this salesguy. He's a loser and deserves to be fired...by you. Walk away from any salesperson that suggests you roll a lease. Bad idea, bad decision. You should find a way to make it to Chicago. The time you spend talking with others will help you clear the air and WILL lead to you making better decisions about your business. Find a way to go. S. At 09:25 AM 3/13/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Thanks Robin. I thought I was too small I didn't realize that there are >things for us small shops too. I have found out that OCE also sells the >Konica Minolta and their prices are less that the Konica Minolta dealership >here in town. I haven't gotten a final price yet, but they are talking to me >about the OCE CS620. This is a Konica Minolta with their name on it. They >also have the OCE CS650 which is the 6500. This is the machine that they >really want to sell me, but I think it is bigger than my shop I am really >amazed at the different things it can do. You can even get a perfect binder >for it!!! > >They are getting prices ready for me, but I won't do anything until I talk >to Chuck. > >For anyone that has the Lanier machines, I called their tech support >yesterday because I am still having bad problems with mine and ask if they >had a machine that will do gloss. They tech told me that they don't. So no >matter what the salesman tells you. It is not true. My salesman is now >trying to roll over my lease on this machine into a Lanier 260c and he >assures me that it will run the gloss. The tech department says no! > > >Class Act Printing and Foil >Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners >5801 W. Juno Ave. >Wichita, KS 67215-1742 >Fax: 316-854-0321 >cpurvine1@cox.net >www.ClassActPrinting.biz > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold >Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 10:55 AM >To: printowners printowners >Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: NAQP > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Cora, >I was on a business trip to the Atlanta, GA area the last several days and >so missed your big announcement of FINALLY joining NAQP. >Soooo, what took you so long?!!! :))) >I have no doubt, NAQP membership will benefit your business' future and your >growth as an owner. >Welcome aboard and thank you for your vote of confidence in OUR association. >:) >robin > > >Robin Niewold >Pro-Type Printing, Inc. >130 N. Market Street >Paxton, IL 60957 >217.379.4715 >robin@protypeonline.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2945 (20080313) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2945 (20080313) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From robin at protypeonline.com Thu Mar 13 14:27:09 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Thu Mar 13 14:27:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: NAQP Message-ID: <21772BC0-77A2-4293-A765-E8B37532AD45@protypeonline.com> Cora, NOBODY is TOO small to be a member of NAQP. The association is made up of real people, real printers -- not "out of touch" printing wizards that live in a philosophical haze of subjectivity....gosh that sounds "big"! :)) This group is only unique in that members all share the desire to learn and grow from a wide variety of sources including each other. WITHOUT NAQP you really ARE "just another small printer" -- whereas WITH NAQP -- not coming up with anything eloquent or "cute" here -- suffice it to say, "there is power in numbers" and you have just joined a powerful and resourceful association that represent many, many, MANY printers just like you and just like me! Again -- WELCOME! And, now back to selling printing instead of NAQP memberships!!! :) robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From kellycrom at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 14:53:09 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Thu Mar 13 14:52:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printing Catalog envelopes on SM52? Message-ID: <016201c88543$dde22eb0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Has anyone had success printing 10x13 catalog(open end) envelopes on a Heidelberg SM52? We have printed many 9x12's, but on the 10x13's, the tail seam catches. If you can print them on this press, what workarounds(if any) have you had to do to accommodate these envelopes? Thanks, Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com From robin at protypeonline.com Thu Mar 13 14:52:53 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Thu Mar 13 14:55:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PrinterPresence Message-ID: <92DBDE43-66F2-4EE2-9B49-A59C3C91358C@protypeonline.com> Craig and others, I had a great conversation with Tulin at Printers Plan a couple weeks ago. The conversation was the result of my wanting Printers Plan and more specifically their Key Customers program to continue to develop into a "full-service", fully integrated system some printers had been discussing on the list several weeks ago. One of the most assuring comments shared with me by Tulin was that they have and will continue to work with and listen to other internet-based software developers as they are approached. They are not going committ to JUST ONE "partner" and thereby limit the choices of existing PP users. SoftUse, developer of Printers Plan, is open and committed to giving existing customers what they want and this means they are not going to limit themselves to just one partner -- and they are honoring this committment as we can all see by working with Printers Presence, MyOrderDesk and others. Let's see -- can I come up with some sort of corny analogy? PP is the horse and if others want to hitch their wagon to their horse -- they are open to that. :) robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Thu Mar 13 14:57:44 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Thu Mar 13 14:58:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Franklin Printers' Supply? - Phila area question In-Reply-To: <000301c88538$3f758bb0$be60a310$@com> References: <86CF66FF-D51A-42B0-AC1D-7993DD2E8BCB@protypeonline.com> <47D9202C.926.44D9B2@slb.inkspot.net> <000301c88538$3f758bb0$be60a310$@com> Message-ID: <47D98738.5010208@sugarloafprint.com> Yup, Franklin is gone for good. Count your fingers after you shake hands with G.E.Richards Tom King wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Franklin Printer's Supply is officially kaput and permanently out of > business. As I understand it, some of their people went to G.E. Richards. > You might try them. > > > Tom King > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I've been trying to call Franklin in Phila. for the past day and a > half, and have been getting a constant busy signal. > > Did they close? > > Does anyone know how to contact John Goodman (their Duplo service > expert)? > > TIA, > Steve > -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From priorityprinting at comcast.net Thu Mar 13 15:07:23 2008 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Thu Mar 13 15:07:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xpedx ? Message-ID: <031320082007.25159.47D9897B000ED0C40000624722070215730902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> I purchase our paper and printing supplies almost exclusively from Xpedx. They really do try to provide good customer service and I really have no complaints about the service. Whenever I found a cheaper vendor for the same item they would always match or beat it if I asked them. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 810 487-1700 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Robin Niewold > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have never done business with Xpedx. Wondering what your experiences > have been? I have a long-time and great working relationship with > existing paper supplier (Midland) but do need to find an alternate > supplier for plate material and press supplies, some bindery supplies. > My closest dealer/location is approx. 150 miles from me. > Thought I would get some information from current or past customers > before contacting their customer service rep. Service? competitive > pricing? > :) > Robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Mar 13 15:22:31 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Thu Mar 13 15:22:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: NAQP In-Reply-To: <200803131918.m2DJIdHe086739@i2bnetworks.com> References: <6507C0B6-F6BF-4D10-BEBF-BA97448ED7A8@protypeonline.com><006501c88526$eb027f40$6401a8c0@corapurvine> <200803131918.m2DJIdHe086739@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <00b901c88547$f76eb8e0$6401a8c0@corapurvine> I'm looking into going to Chicago next time. Thanks, Scott. I did fire the sales guy. I had to promise that I won't run any gloss paper or card stock and no double-sided 80# card stock, but that will give me time to see what to do. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Fax: 316-854-0321 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Thu Mar 13 15:49:37 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Thu Mar 13 15:50:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Owners and Workers Comp Message-ID: <66A6F18D-D1C1-4127-9A4F-3C6916F7B6F6@inkonpaper.biz> Two related questions 1 - Do exempt yourself from Worker comp coverage? 2 - If you do - do you have to pay more for your personal health insurance? We are trying to find a lower cost health insurance company. The company we are talking to wants more for the owners if we are not covered by workers comp. The term he used was "24 hour coverage?????" I think this is bull!@#$%^&*!!!! But would not be the first time today that I was wrong. Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Thu Mar 13 16:16:53 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Thu Mar 13 16:17:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thick, Thick, Thick Cover Message-ID: I have a customer who brought me a sample of a coil bound booklet where the cover is printed on what Xpedx tells me is 26 pt. Cover. I have another customer that brought me a sample of something even thicker. Someone is clearly printing this stuff, and I need to know who. I need a vendor who can print, well, anything apparently. I have someone who can run 20 pt on their DI, or up to 48 pt on a flat bed uv printer, but the 20 pt isn?t thick enough, and the 48 pt is too expensive for longer runs. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com From greg at pressexpress.org Thu Mar 13 16:24:31 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Thu Mar 13 16:24:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] price quote Message-ID: <166F990B-B53A-4197-8FAE-2D3A9B517379@pressexpress.org> Can anyone out there shoot me a price for 5,000 #10 regular envelopes 4/0 printed in register with a reasonable amount of color accuracy? Last printed on a 3304, no longer have that source. Please email me off the list with pricing. Thanks Greg Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From slb at inkspot.net Thu Mar 13 17:34:13 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Mar 13 16:36:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thick, Thick, Thick Cover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47D96595.6305.153FB94@slb.inkspot.net> I know we've run 4-ply (.018) and 6-ply (.024) board through our KORD. I'm less sure about 8-ply (.030). Surely there must be someone in your area with a KORD still running.... Steve > > I have a customer who brought me a sample of a coil bound booklet where the > cover is printed on what Xpedx tells me is 26 pt. Cover. I have another > customer that brought me a sample of something even thicker. Someone is > clearly printing this stuff, and I need to know who. I need a vendor who > can print, well, anything apparently. I have someone who can run 20 pt on > their DI, or up to 48 pt on a flat bed uv printer, but the 20 pt isn¹t thick > enough, and the 48 pt is too expensive for longer runs. Any help would be > greatly appreciated. Thanks. > > > Borzou Azabdaftari > Falcon Print and Copy > 1921 Gallows Road > Suite 150 > Vienna, VA 22182 > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2945 (20080313) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From char at themasterspress.com Thu Mar 13 16:53:57 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Thu Mar 13 16:58:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Owners and Workers Comp In-Reply-To: <66A6F18D-D1C1-4127-9A4F-3C6916F7B6F6@inkonpaper.biz> References: <66A6F18D-D1C1-4127-9A4F-3C6916F7B6F6@inkonpaper.biz> Message-ID: <02b101c88554$bd301090$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Yes, I exempt myself and no I don't pay more on my personal insurance. My understanding is if you don't have WC then your personal should kick in. I have never particularly asked but I am covered 24 hours from what I understand. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Loren Maurina Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 3:50 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Owners and Workers Comp ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Two related questions 1 - Do exempt yourself from Worker comp coverage? 2 - If you do - do you have to pay more for your personal health insurance? We are trying to find a lower cost health insurance company. The company we are talking to wants more for the owners if we are not covered by workers comp. The term he used was "24 hour coverage?????" I think this is bull!@#$%^&*!!!! But would not be the first time today that I was wrong. Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2945 (20080313) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2945 (20080313) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2945 (20080313) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From championprinting at yahoo.com Thu Mar 13 17:32:20 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Thu Mar 13 17:33:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Owners and Workers Comp Message-ID: <3659.9573.qm@web38911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Same here. I do understand their point though. If you spend approx 30% (or more) of the hours you are awake at work, one would assume that something might happen to you that, if you had it, WC would cover. Therefore, the insurance co. sees this as an increased risk, worthy of a higher rate. That might be part of the reason they are low cost. Yes, I exempt myself and no, I don't pay more since I'm covered by my wife's policy. I have never volunteered that info to her ins. co. either. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Charlene Sims To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 5:53:57 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Owners and Workers Comp ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Yes, I exempt myself and no I don't pay more on my personal insurance. My understanding is if you don't have WC then your personal should kick in. I have never particularly asked but I am covered 24 hours from what I understand. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Loren Maurina Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 3:50 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Owners and Workers Comp ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Two related questions 1 - Do exempt yourself from Worker comp coverage? 2 - If you do - do you have to pay more for your personal health insurance? We are trying to find a lower cost health insurance company. The company we are talking to wants more for the owners if we are not covered by workers comp. The term he used was "24 hour coverage?????" I think this is bull!@#$%^&*!!!! But would not be the first time today that I was wrong. Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz From sos at olympus.net Thu Mar 13 17:36:09 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Mar 13 17:36:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thick, Thick, Thick Cover References: Message-ID: <045201c8855a$a26c0c40$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > have a customer who brought me a sample of a coil bound booklet where the cover is printed on what Xpedx tells me is 26 pt. Cover. I have another customer that brought me a sample of something even thicker. Someone is clearly printing this stuff, and I need to know who. I need a vendor who can print, well, anything apparently. I have someone who can run 20 pt on their DI, or up to 48 pt on a flat bed uv printer, but the 20 pt isn?t thick enough, and the 48 pt is too expensive for longer runs. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. ===================== We ran some 140 lb cover through the GTO. It speced at about 20 pt. which is beyond max, but we got it through without damage, very short run or I wouldn't have tried it. But beyond that, I'd think about jobbing it out to a flat bed inkjet, or print on light stock and glue it to a thicker board. I would not risk thousands of dollars damage to your press for someone's hair-brained idea. Especially if they are price sensitive anyway. Depending on the art you can silk screen print on darned near anything. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From jodib at blackfoot.net Thu Mar 13 20:28:09 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Thu Mar 13 20:28:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Owners and Workers Comp References: <3659.9573.qm@web38911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <011201c88572$a9575ce0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> We do not carry WC on ourselves. And we actually have a carrier through QPI (Quick Printing Insurance) out of Kansas City, MO (1-800-216-8636) for our workman's comp. It is less than what I would pay the state of Montana. And, my insurance carrier has never asked if we have WC, so I guess I won't bother to volunteer that information Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Gelletly" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Owners and Workers Comp > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Same here. I do understand their point though. If you spend approx 30% (or > more) of the hours you are awake at work, one would assume that something > might happen to you that, if you had it, WC would cover. Therefore, the > insurance co. sees this as an increased risk, worthy of a higher rate. > That might be part of the reason they are low cost. Yes, I exempt myself > and no, I don't pay more since I'm covered by my wife's policy. I have > never volunteered that info to her ins. co. either. > > > Ted Gelletly > Champion Printing > 5401 New Expansion Drive > Eldersburg MD 21784 > 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 > ted@championprintingonline.com > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Charlene Sims > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 5:53:57 PM > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Owners and Workers Comp > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Yes, I exempt myself and no I don't pay more on my personal insurance. My > understanding is if you don't have WC then your personal should kick in. > I > have never particularly asked but I am covered 24 hours from what I > understand. > ch > > Charlene Sims > The Master's Press, Inc. > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > www.TheMastersPress.com > char@themasterspress.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Loren Maurina > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 3:50 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Owners and Workers Comp > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Two related questions > 1 - Do exempt yourself from Worker comp coverage? > 2 - If you do - do you have to pay more for your personal health > insurance? > > We are trying to find a lower cost health insurance company. The > company we are talking to wants more for the owners if we are not > covered by workers comp. > > The term he used was "24 hour coverage?????" > > I think this is bull!@#$%^&*!!!! > But would not be the first time today that I was wrong. > > Loren Maurina > President > L & L Printing, Inc. > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren > > ph (586) 263-0060 > fx (586) 263-4895 > > Loren@InkOnPaper.biz > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From k_graham at hotmail.com Thu Mar 13 20:18:46 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Thu Mar 13 21:17:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rollem feed tip References: <47D92407.3020301@charter.net> <47D9062B.11286.103535@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: > Our press guy just got our Rollem Auto 4 to feed much better by > trimming the blue sleeve on the lower shaft a bit narrower, and > putting one of the control o-rings on either side of the blue sleeve. > He says that's the way they did it at his previous employer's shop, > but he'd never seen any Rollem literature about it, and didn't > realize how much difference it'd make. > > Is this a good tip, or are we the last ones in the world to figure > this out? > > Any other good Rollem tips? > > Steve Blatman As shown in this photo Steve? http://dc.communityprinters.com/procolor/uploads/rollem.jpg Notice the Cat yellow silicone o-rings, even they sell them cheaper than Rollem :) Actually I buy them from a Hydraulic rebuilding place for about 2.00 each or less. This means we are more likely to replace them as soon as they start to flatten on one side which improves the running of the machine. Also the tongue can be drilled on the opposite end with a hole drill to provide double life. The real secret for us was unscrewing the C shape sensor & light device and remounting the sensor using a piece of plastic L shape material that holds ceiling tile and I think a piece of 2 sided carpet tape. The light is held with another piece of the plastic L shape material and it in turn is held by a 20 cent electrical wire clamp and a couple small bolts to the round bar crossing the entire machine. Because the sensor & light is center mounted its always same distance through for paper and it works equally well if you need to put numbers on the left or right side of paper. It probably saves 50 % of setup time on every job on the Rollem and makes previous impossible jobs possible. The trick with the Rollem in my opinion is to always have the form in the Feed wheels when the number occurs. If its in the following wheels its too subject to moving about. Really old Rollems don't have a adjustable light timing device and would not be able to upgrade to the fixed light position. Enjoy. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G2G5 250-782-7108 It took me a couple hours but that was about 14 years ago. I see about 240 have downloaded the photo but no one has ever said they've made the modification. I'm not sure if Rollem ever modified there new machines to this style or not, or if it came out with a modification kit.. One item I will warn about. We had some very long perforating to do on card, something over 20". After a fair bit of this the powersupply and another board died. Since then we've avoided continuous running of extemely long perfs in case that was the cause. From dvmonto at optonline.net Thu Mar 13 21:39:47 2008 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Thu Mar 13 21:40:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ink jet addressing Using a copier In-Reply-To: > Message-ID: On 3/13/08 12:41 PM, "Mark Lake" wrote: > No, we don't. A decent % of the jobs with envelopes we can address the > letter on the copier and put into a window envelope. Thanks for the response. I will have to work on selling more window envelopes. -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong. - -- Abraham Lincoln From rshutson at yahoo.com Fri Mar 14 08:19:29 2008 From: rshutson at yahoo.com (Roger Hutson) Date: Fri Mar 14 08:26:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] equipment for sale In-Reply-To: <20080313192803.87FBDE746AD@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <821813.10705.qm@web53711.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have gone digital so I'm selling a like new Nuarc 2 sided plate burner, burn 2 plates at the same time, a Graphline tabletop plate processor that will process a 22 inch wide plate and a clamco shrink wraper, this is a full size shrink wraper with heat tunnel, I just don't need it anymore. I'm in Jacksonville, NC. Just send me an email if interested and I can give more info and pics if needed. rhutson in NC --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Fri Mar 14 08:32:33 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Fri Mar 14 08:39:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] price quote Message-ID: $499 on 70# at 4over.com On 3/13/08 5:24 PM, "Greg Weinfurter" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Can anyone out there shoot me a price for 5,000 #10 regular envelopes > 4/0 printed in register with a reasonable amount of color accuracy? > Last printed on a 3304, no longer have that source. > > Please email me off the list with pricing. > > Thanks > > Greg > > > > Press Express > 1869 N. Stevens St. > Rhinelander, WI 54501 > Phone 715-362-2828 > Fax 715-369-2828 > info@pressexpress.org > > Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider > Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Regards, Borzou www.falconprintandcopy.com t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 From eric at prioritypress.com Fri Mar 14 08:35:00 2008 From: eric at prioritypress.com (Eric Mance) Date: Fri Mar 14 08:42:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] equipment for sale Message-ID: <5255cd08.1c885d8.3c57038.3d6c@prioritypress.com> Please send pic's and details of the shrink wrap unit Eric Mance Priority Press 132 Shaker Rd East Longmeadow, MA 01028 413-525-6111 413-525-2681 fax www.prioritypress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Roger Hutson Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:19 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] equipment for sale Errors-To: printowners-bounces@printweb.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have gone digital so I'm selling a like new Nuarc 2 sided plate burner,= burn 2 plates at the same time, a Graphline tabletop plate processor tha= t will process a 22 inch wide plate and a clamco shrink wraper, this is a= full size shrink wraper with heat tunnel, I just don't need it anymore. = I'm in Jacksonville, NC. Just send me an email if interested and I can gi= ve more info and pics if needed. =20 rhutson in NC =20 --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try i= t now. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bob at rjmprinting.com Fri Mar 14 08:35:20 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Fri Mar 14 08:46:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OSHA Pays Me a Visit Message-ID: On Tuesday afternoon OSHA showed up at our shop as a result of a complaint by an employee. The complaint reads: "Lack of ventilation during process of cleaning presses with chemicals is causing employees to have headaches. Employee states problems occur during the cleaning process more than the printing operation." Several months ago we had an employee complain of headaches, he went to the doctor and we provided all of the MSDS sheets and the doctor ultimately determined that it was HIS smoking that was causing the headaches. At that time we discussed putting a better ventilation system in with the landlord but given it was winter in Minnesota it was decided to wait until warmer weather to determine exactly what we need. This was communicated to the employees. Now the twist of fate, because it is likely OSHA will revisit us, we undertook a safety initiative and during this it was found that one of our presses, an AB Dick, doesn't have the appropriate guards. This press is run by the guy we believe issued the complaint. By the way this guy has a huge ax to grind and probably knows that we have started documenting issues. When he was asked what happened to the safety guards he stated that they must have gotten tossed during our move. I asked him whose responsibility it was to make sure we had the guards and he said it was his. It will cost $600 to purchase new guards and have them put on. I am not entirely sure the press is worth it and we have other alternatives. So the question becomes if this guys primary job is to run the AB Dick although he also helps in bindery and occasionally runs the two color press(not very well and the other operator complains that it is all screwed up after he is done with it). If I eliminate the press he is most proficient at would you risk eliminating his position and hiring a Lead Bindery/Back up Press person. He could not do the Lead Bindery job. Or given his "whistle blower" status would you grin and bear and fix the press? Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com From bernies at printnetusa.com Fri Mar 14 08:59:41 2008 From: bernies at printnetusa.com (Bernie Schreiber) Date: Fri Mar 14 08:59:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Owners and Workers Comp In-Reply-To: <02b101c88554$bd301090$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <66A6F18D-D1C1-4127-9A4F-3C6916F7B6F6@inkonpaper.biz> <02b101c88554$bd301090$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <013901c885db$a6a89fe0$0b000078@blsofficen01> Charlene We do the same. In Tennessee our group Blue Cross will cover. Bernie Schreiber bernies@printnetusa.com PrintNet USA, Inc. Cockrill Bend Industrial Park 7005 Westbelt Drive Nashville, TN 37209 615.385.9100 615.406.9994 - cell 615.298-4234 - fax -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:54 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Owners and Workers Comp ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Yes, I exempt myself and no I don't pay more on my personal insurance. My understanding is if you don't have WC then your personal should kick in. I have never particularly asked but I am covered 24 hours from what I understand. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Loren Maurina Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 3:50 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Owners and Workers Comp ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Two related questions 1 - Do exempt yourself from Worker comp coverage? 2 - If you do - do you have to pay more for your personal health insurance? We are trying to find a lower cost health insurance company. The company we are talking to wants more for the owners if we are not covered by workers comp. The term he used was "24 hour coverage?????" I think this is bull!@#$%^&*!!!! But would not be the first time today that I was wrong. Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2945 (20080313) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2945 (20080313) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2945 (20080313) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mail at myprinter.biz Fri Mar 14 09:03:19 2008 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Fri Mar 14 09:03:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OSHA Pays Me a Visit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3d7901c885dc$28c6b6b0$7a542410$@biz> Bob - I'd start the "de-hiring" process by putting him on disciplinary probation for not making sure the press had proper guards, something he admitted was his responsibility. I'd also look into your state's laws on terminating workers that smoke, which is legal in many states. If there's any way to get the doctor's determination that the employee's smoking was causing his headaches in writing and into the employee's file, I'd do that, too. While you might be asking for a result you don't want, having everybody answer and sign a very brief "yes/no" questionnaire about whether they're experiencing headaches during press cleaning could isolate the problem. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Molacek Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:35 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] OSHA Pays Me a Visit ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Tuesday afternoon OSHA showed up at our shop as a result of a complaint by an employee. The complaint reads: "Lack of ventilation during process of cleaning presses with chemicals is causing employees to have headaches. Employee states problems occur during the cleaning process more than the printing operation." Several months ago we had an employee complain of headaches, he went to the doctor and we provided all of the MSDS sheets and the doctor ultimately determined that it was HIS smoking that was causing the headaches. At that time we discussed putting a better ventilation system in with the landlord but given it was winter in Minnesota it was decided to wait until warmer weather to determine exactly what we need. This was communicated to the employees. Now the twist of fate, because it is likely OSHA will revisit us, we undertook a safety initiative and during this it was found that one of our presses, an AB Dick, doesn't have the appropriate guards. This press is run by the guy we believe issued the complaint. By the way this guy has a huge ax to grind and probably knows that we have started documenting issues. When he was asked what happened to the safety guards he stated that they must have gotten tossed during our move. I asked him whose responsibility it was to make sure we had the guards and he said it was his. It will cost $600 to purchase new guards and have them put on. I am not entirely sure the press is worth it and we have other alternatives. So the question becomes if this guys primary job is to run the AB Dick although he also helps in bindery and occasionally runs the two color press(not very well and the other operator complains that it is all screwed up after he is done with it). If I eliminate the press he is most proficient at would you risk eliminating his position and hiring a Lead Bindery/Back up Press person. He could not do the Lead Bindery job. Or given his "whistle blower" status would you grin and bear and fix the press? Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jacemeister at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 09:06:02 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Fri Mar 14 09:12:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] price quote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Borzou Azabdaftari < borzou@falconprintandcopy.com> wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > $499 on 70# at 4over.com That's fine as long as your customer doesn't care what colors he gets. I was reluctant to deal with 4over but heard it mentioned so many times on this list I figured I'd give them a try. Their incompetitence cost me a very good customer. Several times a year I printed a series of 11" x 25" brochures on 80# enamel cover. I usually printed 2500 of each, and since they were a series with a logo on the front cover they needed to match. I sold my 2-up 4-color press last year and needed vendor, so I gave them a shot. The first time everything went well. The second time they printed it on text instead of cover. I sent the email myself telling them I wanted 100# cover, but they priced it for 100# text and nobody here caught it, so they made me pay full price for the reprint. The colors on the reprint were so far off it didn't even look like the same brochure. Plus they shifted the copy so the holes were drilled through some of the text. They called to let me know about the holes and I told them not to drill - that I'd try to make it work, but my customer was desparate for their brochures. Well, not only was the color horrible but they drilled the damned holes in half of the order! The phone drone told me they don't have any control over color. Everything is gang printed and you get what you get. Not getting anywhere with him I insisted on speaking to a supervisor. Phone drone argued with me for 15 more minutes and the more he talked the less sense he made. This boy obviously knew very little about printing. When I finally got a supervisor on the line he told me the same crap. No color control - no guarantees. "That's how we keep our prices low - you get what you get". 4over BITES -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com > > On 3/13/08 5:24 PM, "Greg Weinfurter" wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Can anyone out there shoot me a price for 5,000 #10 regular envelopes > > 4/0 printed in register with a reasonable amount of color accuracy? > > Last printed on a 3304, no longer have that source. > > > > Please email me off the list with pricing. > > > > Thanks > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > Press Express > > 1869 N. Stevens St. > > Rhinelander, WI 54501 > > Phone 715-362-2828 > > Fax 715-369-2828 > > info@pressexpress.org > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri Mar 14 09:20:52 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri Mar 14 09:21:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OSHA Pays Me a Visit Message-ID: In a message dated 3/14/2008 10:04:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mail@myprinter.biz writes: I'd also look into your state's laws on terminating workers that smoke, which is legal in many states. I don't question your statement, but would be interested in being pointed in the right direction to read more about this... Under the assumption that we are talking about smoking off the clock (i.e. on you own time) it bothers me that firing someone for smoking is allowed but that you couldn't fire someone for being obese, which I believe is a much greater threat to overall health than smoking. Of course I realize the latter statement isn't very politically correct but then when have I ever been very PC. I think I will go outside and have a cigarette. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From jacemeister at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 09:21:49 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Fri Mar 14 09:22:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OSHA Pays Me a Visit In-Reply-To: <3d7901c885dc$28c6b6b0$7a542410$@biz> References: <3d7901c885dc$28c6b6b0$7a542410$@biz> Message-ID: I agree with Dan. If the press is in such bad shape that it isn't worth spending $600 on covers - and you have alternatives, I'd have to question what kind of quality it can produce and how efficient it is. I would do much of what Dan said immediately - this morning. Typeset the questionnaires and call the doctor. I'd make that employee get a pallet jack and haul the press to the street for pickup, and once he got it to the roadside I'd lock the damned door behind him and tape a sign to it on it saying his services are no longer needed (our state law allows employers to fire without reason and employees to quit without reason). YMMV - check with your attorney if you have doubts. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 9:03 AM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Bob - > > I'd start the "de-hiring" process by putting him on disciplinary probation > for not making sure the press had proper guards, something he admitted was > his responsibility. > > I'd also look into your state's laws on terminating workers that smoke, > which is legal in many states. > > If there's any way to get the doctor's determination that the employee's > smoking was causing his headaches in writing and into the employee's file, > I'd do that, too. > > While you might be asking for a result you don't want, having everybody > answer and sign a very brief "yes/no" questionnaire about whether they're > experiencing headaches during press cleaning could isolate the problem. > > > Dan > Sir Speedy Printing Center > 5845 Hollywood Boulevard > Hollywood, FL 33021 > tel. 954.962.1309 > fax 954.962.1366 > dan@myprinter.biz > www.myprinter.biz > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Molacek > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:35 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] OSHA Pays Me a Visit > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Tuesday afternoon OSHA showed up at our shop as a result of a complaint > by an employee. The complaint reads: > > > > "Lack of ventilation during process of cleaning presses with chemicals is > causing employees to have headaches. Employee states problems occur > during > the cleaning process more than the printing operation." > > > > Several months ago we had an employee complain of headaches, he went to > the > doctor and we provided all of the MSDS sheets and the doctor ultimately > determined that it was HIS smoking that was causing the headaches. At > that > time we discussed putting a better ventilation system in with the landlord > but given it was winter in Minnesota it was decided to wait until warmer > weather to determine exactly what we need. This was communicated to the > employees. > > > > Now the twist of fate, because it is likely OSHA will revisit us, we > undertook a safety initiative and during this it was found that one of our > presses, an AB Dick, doesn't have the appropriate guards. This press is > run > by the guy we believe issued the complaint. By the way this guy has a > huge > ax to grind and probably knows that we have started documenting issues. > When he was asked what happened to the safety guards he stated that they > must have gotten tossed during our move. I asked him whose responsibility > it was to make sure we had the guards and he said it was his. It will > cost > $600 to purchase new guards and have them put on. I am not entirely sure > the press is worth it and we have other alternatives. > > > > So the question becomes if this guys primary job is to run the AB Dick > although he also helps in bindery and occasionally runs the two color > press(not very well and the other operator complains that it is all > screwed > up after he is done with it). If I eliminate the press he is most > proficient at would you risk eliminating his position and hiring a Lead > Bindery/Back up Press person. He could not do the Lead Bindery job. Or > given his "whistle blower" status would you grin and bear and fix the > press? > > > > Bob Molacek > > Sir Speedy Printing > > 7793 Ranchers Road > > Fridley, MN 55432 > > 763-571-4608 > > bob@rjmprinting.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From david at commercialpressink.com Fri Mar 14 09:32:56 2008 From: david at commercialpressink.com (David Charleson) Date: Fri Mar 14 09:26:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] equipment for sale In-Reply-To: <821813.10705.qm@web53711.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <821813.10705.qm@web53711.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47DA8C98.2070306@commercialpressink.com> Roger, I could be interested in th plate proccesor email me pics and a price if you can. Thanks David Charleson Commercial Press Inc. 216 Cowan Rd Canron NY 13617 P. 315-386-3431 david@commercialpressink.com www.commercialpressink.com > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have gone digital so I'm selling a like new Nuarc 2 sided plate burner, burn 2 plates at the same time, a Graphline tabletop plate processor that will process a 22 inch wide plate and a clamco shrink wraper, this is a full size shrink wraper with heat tunnel, I just don't need it anymore. I'm in Jacksonville, NC. Just send me an email if interested and I can give more info and pics if needed. > > rhutson in NC > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From jacemeister at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 09:41:45 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Fri Mar 14 09:41:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] equipment for sale In-Reply-To: <47DA8C98.2070306@commercialpressink.com> References: <821813.10705.qm@web53711.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47DA8C98.2070306@commercialpressink.com> Message-ID: If anyone is interested, I'll be selling quite a few items and will make someone a fantastic deal on a bulk sale. I sold my 4-color Solna last year but held on to the 2-color to take care of a few jobs, and now I'm ready to sell it too. It's a 1990 model with about 26 million impressions, and has Royce Refrigerated Recirculator, Electrospray Powder, and Super Blue. I have a Lino 530 Image Setter with film processor and a 60" Plate Burner with plate processor. I will throw in PrePageIt Workflow Software and Trapwise. In addition, I have a Lino 330 we were using for poly plates and a plate processor. I'll include RIP's for everything plus some miscellaneous other equipment to sweeten the deal. All reasonable offers for anything or everything are welcome. ************************************************************************ Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 Fax 985-868-9914 www.bayouprinting.com From kellycrom at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 09:53:40 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Fri Mar 14 09:53:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] price quote In-Reply-To: <166F990B-B53A-4197-8FAE-2D3A9B517379@pressexpress.org> References: <166F990B-B53A-4197-8FAE-2D3A9B517379@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: <001b01c885e3$32677310$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Do you have a BCT for a vendor? I know that BCT Minneapolis does 4C envelopes(although we've never used them for 4C) Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:25 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] price quote > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Can anyone out there shoot me a price for 5,000 #10 regular > envelopes > 4/0 printed in register with a reasonable amount of color accuracy? > Last printed on a 3304, no longer have that source. > > Please email me off the list with pricing. > > Thanks > > Greg > > > > Press Express > 1869 N. Stevens St. > Rhinelander, WI 54501 > Phone 715-362-2828 > Fax 715-369-2828 > info@pressexpress.org > > Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider > Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cpurvine1 at cox.net Fri Mar 14 09:59:32 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Fri Mar 14 09:59:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Viruses found in iPods, digital picture frames and navigation devices that were built in China and sold at Target, etc. Message-ID: <006501c885e4$035292c0$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Our local paper carried a story this morning saying that some of the iPods and navigators and picture frames that people were buying for Christmas this year from Target, etc., made in China have viruses embedded in them and when people are hooking them up to their computers they get the viruses. They say it is mostly people that aren't up to date on their virus software, but there are some viruses that even being up to date won't help. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Fax: 316-854-0321 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From robin at protypeonline.com Fri Mar 14 10:09:10 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Fri Mar 14 10:10:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] X-rite 706 Shrink Wrap Machine - HELP! Message-ID: <89A0C552-D202-4F85-91A1-06ACDCE8DF71@protypeonline.com> X-Rite Shrink Packaging Systems??? Company out of business? Phone number on brochure -- disconnected. We continue to have problems with out 706 machine -- got 4 new seal wires and in 2 days broken 2 of the new ones. Either we got the wrong gauge wire or ? Need to find someone that can help and get us back up and packaging. Had an electrician in and he doesn't think the wire is "arching" -- he put on some nylon bushings for protection -- didn't help and wire broke again by the end of the day. HELP? Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From k_graham at hotmail.com Fri Mar 14 09:20:27 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Fri Mar 14 10:18:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OSHA Pays Me a Visit References: Message-ID: > "Lack of ventilation during process of cleaning presses with chemicals is > causing employees to have headaches. Employee states problems occur > during > the cleaning process more than the printing operation." > We had a very good employee, sick a lot and we did look into more ventilation, however we were running Furnace 24, 7 and did have a overhead fan above press. I also bought about a $30 or $40.00 mask with filters to use while cleaning the press. However I could'nt get him to wear it while smoking outside and he still had the problems. We lost the employee when he got divorced and said he couldn't stay in the same town as his wife. Removing the press and letting go the employee with severence pay due to not having the press to run sounds like a good option. Ken Graham From kellycrom at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 10:19:21 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Fri Mar 14 10:19:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] X-rite 706 Shrink Wrap Machine - HELP! In-Reply-To: <89A0C552-D202-4F85-91A1-06ACDCE8DF71@protypeonline.com> References: <89A0C552-D202-4F85-91A1-06ACDCE8DF71@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <002401c885e6$c88d87f0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Do you buy from Unisource? I know a few years back we were having problems with our shrink wrapper, and our Unisource rep had been in the same day. He overheard about our problems, and told us their packaging division had a service tech who worked on almost any make/model of wrappers. They came in and had us back up and running the next day. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:09 AM > To: printowners printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] X-rite 706 Shrink Wrap Machine - HELP! > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > X-Rite Shrink Packaging Systems??? Company out of business? Phone > number on brochure -- disconnected. > We continue to have problems with out 706 machine -- got 4 new seal > wires and in 2 days broken 2 of the new ones. Either we got > the wrong > gauge wire or ? > Need to find someone that can help and get us back up and packaging. > Had an electrician in and he doesn't think the wire is > "arching" -- he > put on some nylon bushings for protection -- didn't help and wire > broke again by the end of the day. > HELP? > Robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From bherion at bucksdigital.com Fri Mar 14 10:22:47 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Fri Mar 14 10:23:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: OSHA Pays Me a Visit In-Reply-To: <20080314142107.15DF9E76A90@rb.enter.net> References: <20080314142107.15DF9E76A90@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080314111856.032b3698@bucksdigital.com> At 10:21 AM 3/14/2008, you wrote: >So the question becomes if this guys primary job is to run the AB Dick >although he also helps in bindery and occasionally runs the two color >press(not very well and the other operator complains that it is all screwed >up after he is done with it). If I eliminate the press he is most >proficient at would you risk eliminating his position and hiring a Lead >Bindery/Back up Press person. He could not do the Lead Bindery job. Or >given his "whistle blower" status would you grin and bear and fix the press? I wouldn't keep anybody that didn't perform their job to my expectations. As far as the whistle blower status....you aren't supposed to know he is the one are you? One has nothing to do with the other, in my opinion. Unless, its the whistle blower thing that has you so angry you are reacting this way. Bottom line as an employer, you are ultimately responsible for everything and it sounds like this person isn't helping your cause. Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From kellycrom at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 10:46:58 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Fri Mar 14 10:46:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OSHA Pays Me a Visit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003301c885ea$a4553c30$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Bob, Are you a member of PIM? If so, it might help to contact Paul Gutkowski, Director of Safety and Environmental Services, at 651-789-5505. If not, it still would be a good idea to hire someone to do a full safety audit before OSHA comes back. The cost of that could be much less of any violations/fines that OSHA might come up with. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Molacek > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 8:35 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] OSHA Pays Me a Visit > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Tuesday afternoon OSHA showed up at our shop as a result > of a complaint > by an employee. The complaint reads: > > > > "Lack of ventilation during process of cleaning presses with > chemicals is > causing employees to have headaches. Employee states > problems occur during > the cleaning process more than the printing operation." > > > > Several months ago we had an employee complain of headaches, > he went to the > doctor and we provided all of the MSDS sheets and the doctor > ultimately > determined that it was HIS smoking that was causing the > headaches. At that > time we discussed putting a better ventilation system in with > the landlord > but given it was winter in Minnesota it was decided to wait > until warmer > weather to determine exactly what we need. This was > communicated to the > employees. > > > > Now the twist of fate, because it is likely OSHA will revisit us, we > undertook a safety initiative and during this it was found > that one of our > presses, an AB Dick, doesn't have the appropriate guards. > This press is run > by the guy we believe issued the complaint. By the way this > guy has a huge > ax to grind and probably knows that we have started > documenting issues. > When he was asked what happened to the safety guards he > stated that they > must have gotten tossed during our move. I asked him whose > responsibility > it was to make sure we had the guards and he said it was his. > It will cost > $600 to purchase new guards and have them put on. I am not > entirely sure > the press is worth it and we have other alternatives. > > > > So the question becomes if this guys primary job is to run the AB Dick > although he also helps in bindery and occasionally runs the two color > press(not very well and the other operator complains that it > is all screwed > up after he is done with it). If I eliminate the press he is most > proficient at would you risk eliminating his position and > hiring a Lead > Bindery/Back up Press person. He could not do the Lead > Bindery job. Or > given his "whistle blower" status would you grin and bear and > fix the press? > > > > Bob Molacek > > Sir Speedy Printing > > 7793 Ranchers Road > > Fridley, MN 55432 > > 763-571-4608 > > bob@rjmprinting.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From printer at ptialaska.net Fri Mar 14 10:49:35 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Fri Mar 14 10:50:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] equipment for sale In-Reply-To: <821813.10705.qm@web53711.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <821813.10705.qm@web53711.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <62D35AD6-D3A1-486A-B65D-C036B90215B8@ptialaska.net> Not sure if this is the list to put equipment for sale on, BUT we also have a ton of equipment we are selling to make room for some new stuff. We have just about a whole shops worth we have to move including presses with kompacs, lino, cutter, folder. We could fill a conex and ship it anywhere. We are only asking $11,000 for everything if interested. It has to go this month. Thanks, _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From ron at printingconcepts.com Fri Mar 14 11:04:28 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Fri Mar 14 10:58:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: OSHA Pays Me a Visit In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080314111856.032b3698@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: There is no question this guy is adversarial and consequently a bad influence on your business and needs to go. We have a saying here: "He has told you who he is." What I would caution you on is that your documentation needs to be good because you can't be perceived to have fired him because he complained to OSHA, that is illegal. You could fire him for removing the safety devices, however, the rejoinder to that from the government is "Have other employees engaged in this behavior and not been fired." He is now, because of his complaint, in a quasi-protected status, so you need to be careful how you let him go. I would find something unrelated to the safety issue purely from a strategy session, although firing him for a safety violation does have a sweet irony... :) The sad fact is many of these issues are stacked against the employer. I am now responding to an EEOC complaint that is so ridiculous I shouldn't have to spend two minutes on it, but the ex-employee knows how to harass with the assistance of our wonderful government as it appears your employee does. I will win this one, but not without spending all of tomorrow documenting my case. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Bob Herion Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 11:23 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: OSHA Pays Me a Visit ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** At 10:21 AM 3/14/2008, you wrote: >So the question becomes if this guys primary job is to run the AB Dick >although he also helps in bindery and occasionally runs the two color >press(not very well and the other operator complains that it is all screwed >up after he is done with it). If I eliminate the press he is most >proficient at would you risk eliminating his position and hiring a Lead >Bindery/Back up Press person. He could not do the Lead Bindery job. Or >given his "whistle blower" status would you grin and bear and fix the press? I wouldn't keep anybody that didn't perform their job to my expectations. As far as the whistle blower status....you aren't supposed to know he is the one are you? One has nothing to do with the other, in my opinion. Unless, its the whistle blower thing that has you so angry you are reacting this way. Bottom line as an employer, you are ultimately responsible for everything and it sounds like this person isn't helping your cause. Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From peter at keystonepress.com Fri Mar 14 10:55:13 2008 From: peter at keystonepress.com (Peter Church) Date: Fri Mar 14 10:59:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] equipment for sale In-Reply-To: <62D35AD6-D3A1-486A-B65D-C036B90215B8@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <006301c885eb$cb1d8f60$7d01a8c0@key.local> I agree with Charles that this is not the proper list to advertise items for sale, but I have a Heidelberg Quickmaster four color DI press that is in great shape for $60K. Only 14Million impressions and you can see it running. Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charles A. Lincoln Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 11:50 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] equipment for sale ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Not sure if this is the list to put equipment for sale on, BUT we also have a ton of equipment we are selling to make room for some new stuff. We have just about a whole shops worth we have to move including presses with kompacs, lino, cutter, folder. We could fill a conex and ship it anywhere. We are only asking $11,000 for everything if interested. It has to go this month. Thanks, _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Fri Mar 14 11:22:30 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Fri Mar 14 11:23:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: OSHA Pays Me a Visit In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080314111856.032b3698@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: If you don't know who actually filed the complaint, I don't see where you would have a problem firing the person. Depends on if your state is an "at will" state. If it is, you can fire for no reason at all. You would just tell the person you are terminating their employment and say nothing more. Don't give a reason if there is a chance of legal action from discrimation, being a whistle blower, etc. However, if this person is the one who filed the complaint and you do fire him, be prepared for him to file other complaints. Just make sure your shop is ready for the scrutiny. Just my thoughts. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 11:04 AM To: printowners Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Re: OSHA Pays Me a Visit ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** What I would caution you on is that your documentation needs to be good because you can't be perceived to have fired him because he complained to OSHA, that is illegal. You could fire him for removing the safety devices, however, the rejoinder to that from the government is "Have other employees engaged in this behavior and not been fired." He is now, because of his complaint, in a quasi-protected status, so you need to be careful how you let him go. I would find something unrelated to the safety issue purely from a strategy session, although firing him for a safety violation does have a sweet irony... :) E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09420 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Fri Mar 14 10:54:52 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Fri Mar 14 11:27:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] X-rite 706 Shrink Wrap Machine - HELP! In-Reply-To: <20080314151924.A7244E76E24@rb.enter.net> References: <20080314151924.A7244E76E24@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <9778d58b7be4f0f222543eb4a44ada8b@sheergraphics.com> http://www.gaec.biz/ Illinois or http://www.wurzburg.com/wbWebsite/products/index.aspx close by! > X-Rite Shrink Packaging Systems??? Company out of business? Phone > number on brochure -- disconnected. > We continue to have problems with out 706 machine -- got 4 new seal > wires and in 2 days broken 2 of the new ones. Either we got the wrong > gauge wire or ? > Need to find someone that can help and get us back up and packaging. > Had an electrician in and he doesn't think the wire is "arching" -- he > put on some nylon bushings for protection -- didn't help and wire > broke again by the end of the day. > HELP? > Robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From jdaghir at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 11:33:11 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Fri Mar 14 11:33:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thick, Thick, Thick Cover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83d5b9620803140933k7c2bdefakfa56fa66bed14351@mail.gmail.com> You might try contacting KBA North America (http://www.kbavt.com/) and asking for the name of a printer in your area with a KBA Genius 52 UV. It's a 14x20 4 color UV press that can handle up to 30 point according to its specs. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Borzou Azabdaftari said: > I have a customer who brought me a sample of a coil bound booklet where the > cover is printed on what Xpedx tells me is 26 pt. Cover. I have another > customer that brought me a sample of something even thicker. Someone is > clearly printing this stuff, and I need to know who. I need a vendor who > can print, well, anything apparently. I have someone who can run 20 pt on > their DI, or up to 48 pt on a flat bed uv printer, but the 20 pt isn?t thick > enough, and the 48 pt is too expensive for longer runs. From sos at olympus.net Fri Mar 14 10:31:09 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Mar 14 11:44:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] price quote References: Message-ID: <005401c885ee$4d61e0f0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > That's fine as long as your customer doesn't care what colors he gets. > ==================== I've used 4over several times and the color has been perfect each time for us. I'm curious what kind of Color Management you use, what ICC profiles are imbedded in the files? What kind of pre-proofing do you use? 4over has nice equipment, Heidelberg 40" 8 color perfectors with inline coaters, automated prepress, CTP, they print to standard ink densities (how else could you do it on gang runs?) We've had good luck, but only 4 jobs so far, maybe we've just been lucky. We aren't particularly sophisticated color management-wise. But do have calibrated monitors, use the Adobe NorthAmerican standard presets, can print proofs to a characterized Epson. I'm about to send them a large, important job. And wondering if that's wise at this point. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From mail at myprinter.biz Fri Mar 14 11:12:51 2008 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Fri Mar 14 11:44:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OSHA Pays Me a Visit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000901c885ee$40f2be20$c2d83a60$@biz> I don't question your statement, but would be interested in being pointed in the right direction to read more about this... John John - Goggle it. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:21 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] OSHA Pays Me a Visit ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 3/14/2008 10:04:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mail@myprinter.biz writes: I'd also look into your state's laws on terminating workers that smoke, which is legal in many states. I don't question your statement, but would be interested in being pointed in the right direction to read more about this... Under the assumption that we are talking about smoking off the clock (i.e. on you own time) it bothers me that firing someone for smoking is allowed but that you couldn't fire someone for being obese, which I believe is a much greater threat to overall health than smoking. Of course I realize the latter statement isn't very politically correct but then when have I ever been very PC. I think I will go outside and have a cigarette. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From billg at TGAssociates.com Fri Mar 14 11:51:24 2008 From: billg at TGAssociates.com (Bill Greif) Date: Fri Mar 14 11:51:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OSHA Pays Me a Visit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001301c885f3$a3927250$6701a8c0@BILL> In either case it would be necessary that you have a published policy that governs these activities and that the employees acknowledged and understood that these were the policies. Arbitrarily applying a rule against one individual could get you in hot water with EEOC and/or ADA Bill Greif TG & Associates billg@tgassociates.com www.tgassociates.com Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 Toll Free 877-842-7762 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 7:21 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] OSHA Pays Me a Visit ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 3/14/2008 10:04:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mail@myprinter.biz writes: I'd also look into your state's laws on terminating workers that smoke, which is legal in many states. I don't question your statement, but would be interested in being pointed in the right direction to read more about this... Under the assumption that we are talking about smoking off the clock (i.e. on you own time) it bothers me that firing someone for smoking is allowed but that you couldn't fire someone for being obese, which I believe is a much greater threat to overall health than smoking. Of course I realize the latter statement isn't very politically correct but then when have I ever been very PC. I think I will go outside and have a cigarette. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dvmonto at optonline.net Fri Mar 14 12:12:59 2008 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Fri Mar 14 12:13:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: OSHA Pays Me a Visit In-Reply-To: > Message-ID: If you eliminate the press, you could eliminate the position. As long as you don't immediately hire someone to take his place. I would take a set of wire cutters and cut the power cord to the ABDick, in doing so you show OSHA that it has been removed from production. -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net -- "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 From robin at protypeonline.com Fri Mar 14 12:26:52 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Fri Mar 14 12:26:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: X-rite Machine Problem Message-ID: <200803141126588.SM00776@[192.168.1.160]> Problem resolved -- thank you everyone! Problem was: bad wire AND optic eye was dirty and so the bad wire was overheating! :) robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From jacemeister at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 12:43:49 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Fri Mar 14 12:43:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] price quote In-Reply-To: <005401c885ee$4d61e0f0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <005401c885ee$4d61e0f0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: > > > I've used 4over several times and the color has been perfect each time for > us. I'm curious what kind of Color Management you use, what ICC profiles > are imbedded in the files? What kind of pre-proofing do you use? > 4over has nice equipment, Heidelberg 40" 8 color perfectors with inline > coaters, automated prepress, CTP, they print to standard ink densities > (how > else could you do it on gang runs?) We've had good luck, but only 4 jobs > so > far, maybe we've just been lucky. We aren't particularly sophisticated > color > management-wise. But do have calibrated monitors, use the Adobe > NorthAmerican standard presets, can print proofs to a characterized Epson. > > I'm about to send them a large, important job. And wondering if that's > wise > at this point. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > Prepress is not an area I know much about, but my employees and vendors tell me we have pretty much everything needed, and we never have color issues with jobs we produce in-house. With a huge amount of grattitude owed to John Henry and Scott Cappel, we seem to be up to par in that department. We used to make matchprints but we've since thrown that machine away. For our larger proofs (such as the job in discussing) we use a Canon iPF700. I can't remember the last time I heard a complaint about color off my 4-color press, but as I said, I no longer have the larger format press. The fact that they have Heidelberg 40" 8 color perfectors with inline coaters really doesn't mean a thing if they can't deliver consistent quality. More importantly, the mere fact that the employee and his supervisor told me that colors will not match from job to job is all I need to know. If that's their attitude, then no equipment in the world will help that company. The other issue that they changed the position of the finished product so their holes would be in the type is unexcusable, IMO. Why would anyone possibly do that? They printed the job before and matched it to the crop marks, but not the second time? I was going to send the job to Kevin Danko (on this list) after 4over screwed it up, but the customer fired me. I wish I had known about Kevin before. I hope your luck lasts with 4over. Really. I'd hate to see them cost you a customer. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com From sos at olympus.net Fri Mar 14 13:33:53 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Mar 14 13:34:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] price quote References: <005401c885ee$4d61e0f0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <00c901c88601$f47d49c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > The other issue that they changed the position of the finished product so > their holes would be in the type is unexcusable, IMO. Why would anyone > possibly do that? They printed the job before and matched it to the crop > marks, but not the second time? > > I was going to send the job to Kevin Danko (on this list) after 4over > screwed it up, but the customer fired me. I wish I had known about Kevin > before. ======================= It's easy to screw things up when it's all automated. I know one job I sent was not the correct size, I figured it'd be easy to scale up a press ready PDF, but they told me they are not allowed to make any changes. So I scaled it up and resent it. Took seconds to do, but hey, I guess that's a lot to ask of an employee. Thanks for the additional info. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From rick at jmjprinting.com Fri Mar 14 13:58:27 2008 From: rick at jmjprinting.com (Rick Foster) Date: Fri Mar 14 13:55:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: OSHA Pays Me a Visit In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080314111856.032b3698@bucksdigital.com> References: <20080314142107.15DF9E76A90@rb.enter.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20080314111856.032b3698@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: In reference to the message sent by Bob Herion, on 3/14/08, at 11:22 AM -0400: > >As far as the whistle blower status....you aren't supposed to know >he is the one are you? >One has nothing to do with the other, in my opinion. Unless, its the >whistle blower thing that has you so angry you are reacting this way. Good point, you *don't* know who the whistle blower is. Turn the deal around on him. Go to that employee and tell him that somebody notified OSHA about a complaint and during their visit and investigation they tagged the press because of the safety covers being removed. The cost to replace the covers is more than the press is worth so we will be removing that press and selling for parts or scrap. Sorry about the inconvenience this causes you but since we can no longer use the press you ran your position will be terminated. -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From kevin at abfprints.com Fri Mar 14 13:57:25 2008 From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko) Date: Fri Mar 14 14:02:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] price quote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005f01c88605$3ece6010$1c00a8c0@abf.local> Well, not only was the color horrible but they drilled the damned holes in half of the order! The phone drone told me they don't have any control over color. Everything is gang printed and you get what you get. Not getting anywhere with him I insisted on speaking to a supervisor. Phone drone argued with me for 15 more minutes and the more he talked the less sense he made. This boy obviously knew very little about printing. When I finally got a supervisor on the line he told me the same crap. No color control - no guarantees. "That's how we keep our prices low - you get what you get". 4over BITES... -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 Ditto here, we had 4-Over print 11 Business Cards (7 @ 250 each, 2 @ 500 each and 2 @ 1M each) for the same customer last week. When they arrived the 250 and 500 quantities all were hot on the magenta so my sales rep called to complain and she was told there was nothing they could do. They told her they could not control the color or guarantee that they would all look the same because the 250 and 500 quantities were printed on the Indigo and the 1M quantities were printed on the press. I then called and spoke to Rafi in C.S., he said he would talk to Rena the C.S. Supervisor, who by the way doesn't have a brain. Rena called me back and told me the same thing and I went on to explain to her that I could not or would not deliver my first order to this new customer 11 different sets of B/C's that didn't match in color. She persisted in telling me there was nothing she could do and I persisted in telling her to re-print the lower quantities on press. We spent 1/2 hour on the phone arguing about whether 4-Over would reprint at NO Charge and I finally agreed to have them run the short run (250 and 500 orders) at 1M each on press (not Indigo) for the additional cost between the 500 charge of $19 and the 1M charge of $24. Can you imagine if you had one of your employee's argue with one of you good customers for 1/2 hour over $5. I was livid, pissed, hotter than a pistol (you get the picture) to say the least and told my staff that was the LAST order we would be sending to 4-Over. There are other vendors out here that would love to have our business, I say it's time, no long over due, to start sending a message to 4-Over that we will not be treated like crap or tolerate their poor quality and horrendous customer service any longer... Kevin Danko Advantage Business Forms 102 N. Riverside Ave. Rialto, CA 92376 Phone: (909) 875-7163 Fax: (909) 875-7971 www.abfprints.com E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com From gamble at choiceonemail.com Fri Mar 14 14:25:08 2008 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Fri Mar 14 14:25:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: OSHA Pays Me a Visit In-Reply-To: References: <20080314142107.15DF9E76A90@rb.enter.net><7.0.1.0.2.20080314111856.032b3698@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <014d01c88609$1d65af10$0301a8c0@RICK> Rick Foster is my new hero...Love the way you replied to this OSHA item I had a disgruntled employee notify OSHA of unsafe working conditions stemming from no hot water on sink in Press room that he could wash his hands at. $ 3500.00 later and a lots of BS we are back and running as such and still have no hot water to sink in press area. In NYS it is no doubt the Employee is always right and you as the employer are always in the wrong. Hmmm.. Now I wonder if that would include Elliott Spitzer as the employer and that nice young lady with the high priced tastes as the employee.. Guess either way he is not on the winning side of this. Ok back to work so I can finish laughing at Rick Fosters response and Elliott Spitzers misfortunes...LOL Have a great weekend Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Rick Foster Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:58 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: OSHA Pays Me a Visit ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In reference to the message sent by Bob Herion, on 3/14/08, at 11:22 AM -0400: > >As far as the whistle blower status....you aren't supposed to know >he is the one are you? >One has nothing to do with the other, in my opinion. Unless, its the >whistle blower thing that has you so angry you are reacting this way. Good point, you *don't* know who the whistle blower is. Turn the deal around on him. Go to that employee and tell him that somebody notified OSHA about a complaint and during their visit and investigation they tagged the press because of the safety covers being removed. The cost to replace the covers is more than the press is worth so we will be removing that press and selling for parts or scrap. Sorry about the inconvenience this causes you but since we can no longer use the press you ran your position will be terminated. -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jgross at techiowa.com Fri Mar 14 14:32:02 2008 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Fri Mar 14 14:32:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: OSHA Pays Me a Visit(off) In-Reply-To: <014d01c88609$1d65af10$0301a8c0@RICK> Message-ID: <004001c8860a$17a121d0$1e00000a@tech.local> The best response to Spitzer was on NPR from an escort service owner from Albany who complained about his not shopping locally. $80K goes a long way in Albany. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc Iowa City, Iowa 52240 techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Rick Bird Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:25 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Re: OSHA Pays Me a Visit ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Rick Foster is my new hero...Love the way you replied to this OSHA item I had a disgruntled employee notify OSHA of unsafe working conditions stemming from no hot water on sink in Press room that he could wash his hands at. $ 3500.00 later and a lots of BS we are back and running as such and still have no hot water to sink in press area. In NYS it is no doubt the Employee is always right and you as the employer are always in the wrong. Hmmm.. Now I wonder if that would include Elliott Spitzer as the employer and that nice young lady with the high priced tastes as the employee.. Guess either way he is not on the winning side of this. Ok back to work so I can finish laughing at Rick Fosters response and Elliott Spitzers misfortunes...LOL Have a great weekend Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Rick Foster Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:58 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: OSHA Pays Me a Visit ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In reference to the message sent by Bob Herion, on 3/14/08, at 11:22 AM -0400: > >As far as the whistle blower status....you aren't supposed to know >he is the one are you? >One has nothing to do with the other, in my opinion. Unless, its the >whistle blower thing that has you so angry you are reacting this way. Good point, you *don't* know who the whistle blower is. Turn the deal around on him. Go to that employee and tell him that somebody notified OSHA about a complaint and during their visit and investigation they tagged the press because of the safety covers being removed. The cost to replace the covers is more than the press is worth so we will be removing that press and selling for parts or scrap. Sorry about the inconvenience this causes you but since we can no longer use the press you ran your position will be terminated. -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Fri Mar 14 15:07:07 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Mar 14 15:07:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: OSHA Pays Me a Visit References: <20080314142107.15DF9E76A90@rb.enter.net><7.0.1.0.2.20080314111856.032b3698@bucksdigital.com> <014d01c88609$1d65af10$0301a8c0@RICK> Message-ID: <012601c8860e$fb1bb3e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > had a disgruntled employee notify OSHA of unsafe working conditions > stemming > from no hot water on sink in Press room that he could wash his hands at. > ====================== I went through this as well. Air quality complaint. I happened to be at home with my ill daughter the day the inspector showed up. We were fined for not having MSDS sheets, which we did have right there on the lower shelf of the bookshelf, but no employee could point them out to the inspector, so $300 fine. We also were fined for not having a safety manual, which again was right there on the shelf, and for having the wrong nozzle on the air compressor, which I had just recently bought at Costco but of course no one is going to fine Costco, that was another $300. Air quality was fine however. No one ever said anything to me. Just called OSHA. When we installed the bigger 4 color press we also had the electrician install an exhaust fan in the pressroom. I haven't noticed any improvement in air quality however. Our $5,000 Island Air filtration system has made no noticeable difference either. Nor does an ion generator filter thingy. Nor do all the plants that grace the copy shop portion. We almost got fined for not having an eye wash station by the platemaker where we use activator and stabilizer until the inspector found out that I, the owner, was the only one who handled the solutions. Screw the owner, he can go blind. They are only concerned with employee safety. Ah well, we do what we can. I deliver now and then to a boat builder. You should smell it in there when they are laying up fiberglass. It smells 10 times worse than it has ever smelled in here. Had a customer just about swoon at the counter once. "My god, what is that smell?" I said it's Sauer kraut, someone is eating a Rubin Sandwich. "Oh," she said. She was about to call OSHAWA right then and there. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From kevin at abfprints.com Fri Mar 14 15:46:27 2008 From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko) Date: Fri Mar 14 15:51:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] price quote In-Reply-To: References: <005401c885ee$4d61e0f0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <007d01c88614$7a0d50a0$1c00a8c0@abf.local> I was going to send the job to Kevin Danko (on this list) after 4over screwed it up, but the customer fired me. I wish I had known about Kevin before. I hope your luck lasts with 4over. Really. I'd hate to see them cost you a customer. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Thanks for the thought Jace, maybe next time. I've always been impressed with your thoughts and opinions. I'll defiantly stop in to see you someday when I get to your neighborhood. Kevin Danko Advantage Business Forms 102 N. Riverside Ave. Rialto, CA 92376 Phone: (909) 875-7163 Fax: (909) 875-7971 www.abfprints.com E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com From rshutson at yahoo.com Sat Mar 15 06:04:32 2008 From: rshutson at yahoo.com (Roger Hutson) Date: Sat Mar 15 06:12:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] equipment for sale In-Reply-To: <20080314151924.BDE56E76E26@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <205097.41598.qm@web53711.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Monday morning I will get all the pics and details and send to anyone interested. I also have an Oblique hanging file system that is about 7 years old, we bought it when we got the 25 inch 4color press. It is about 4 or 5 feet wide and has to rows of files, I have all documentation with this and a bunch of the hanging files for it. This is a very nice file system that is expandable. rhutson in NC --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From copythatnyc at aol.com Sat Mar 15 12:54:44 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Sat Mar 15 12:54:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: OSHA Pays Me a Visit In-Reply-To: References: <20080314142107.15DF9E76A90@rb.enter.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20080314111856.032b3698@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <8CA54DCC97C6A96-8AC-1FC5@webmail-mf14.sysops.aol.com> Perfectly put Rick. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Rick Foster To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 2:58 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: OSHA Pays Me a Visit ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? In reference to the message sent by Bob Herion, on 3/14/08, at 11:22 AM -0400:? ? >? >As far as the whistle blower status....you aren't supposed to know >he is the one are you?? >One has nothing to do with the other, in my opinion. Unless, its the >whistle blower thing that has you so angry you are reacting this way.? ? Good point, you *don't* know who the whistle blower is. Turn the deal around on him. Go to that employee and tell him that somebody notified OSHA about a complaint and during their visit and investigation they tagged the press because of the safety covers being removed. The cost to replace the covers is more than the press is worth so we will be removing that press and selling for parts or scrap. Sorry about the inconvenience this causes you but since we can no longer use the press you ran your position will be terminated.? -- ? Rick? ? _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/? ? Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA? ?mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com? ? 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop? ? 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business!? _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From robin at protypeonline.com Sat Mar 15 15:26:10 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Sat Mar 15 15:26:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Risographs? Message-ID: I am looking for a riso that will print one or two sides, 8.5 x 11, 20# - 60# - 70# - 110# index. Black ink. 1000 - 25,000 sheets but most runs will be 10,000 or less per original. Text - minimal. Very light to medium ink coverage. These are medical charts that are used as "carrier" sheets -- other, smaller forms are taped to them. HOWEVER, I need the sheets to register -- good registration will do but of course, dead-on would be wonderful. I know a duplicator will register better the slower it is run but then more ink is also put down on the sheet and I don't want that. Also, ink drying used to be a problem -- has that improved any in the last 5-10 years? Years ago, I owned a Duplo 63P and it was fantastic! But after running it to death, we did not replace as we outgrew the need. Since then we have grown tremendously and find we have a small niche product that seems to be a good fit for a digital duplicator -- then we take the printed sheets and apply transfer tape, drill 3-10 holes, slit tape sometimes, shrink in pkgs. of 100 and ship. Current volume is clogging up our "real" press and the copiers don't have the registration we need....nor do they have "time" available for these jobs. Ebay has RN2030UI ??? Also an RZ220UI that is networked. Can't find specs via google on the RN model. I'm not opposed to getting another "real" press, however, with the riso, the plates are made for it and anyone can run the silly thing -- I don't need to train anyone for months or years! :) Robin p.s. I'm open to suggestions! Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From scott at usacolor.com Sat Mar 15 16:04:22 2008 From: scott at usacolor.com (scott) Date: Sat Mar 15 16:02:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Risographs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47DC39D6.3040009@usacolor.com> Robin, I think the only current solution is newer high speed B&W copier. I have owned 4 Riso's over the years - last one was a 3770 with over 12 million impressions. Great for placemats & non-critical forms, but it will not hold registration during the run. So unless they have changed the feeder I would pass. The Riso's on ebay are 400dpi - not what you want to sell! The 3770 with a interface prints at 600dpi With the new copiers running .005 click charge and Riso's stated cost of .0033(per 8.5 x 11) results in a additional $85 to run a copier for every 50,000 copies. However, if you ran your jobs 2 up it would result in a $40 savings per 50,000 copies using a copier. Just my opinion, but I think Riso waited to long to develop a registration system along with lower operating costs. Scott Balsiger, President USA Color Printing Inc. www.usacolor.com 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN 56601 800-759-9126 218-759-9126 218-759-2883(fax) 218-556-5505(cell) Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am looking for a riso that will print one or two sides, 8.5 x 11, > 20# - 60# - 70# - 110# index. Black ink. 1000 - 25,000 sheets but > most runs will be 10,000 or less per original. > Text - minimal. Very light to medium ink coverage. These are medical > charts that are used as "carrier" sheets -- other, smaller forms are > taped to them. > HOWEVER, I need the sheets to register -- good registration will do > but of course, dead-on would be wonderful. > I know a duplicator will register better the slower it is run but > then more ink is also put down on the sheet and I don't want that. > Also, ink drying used to be a problem -- has that improved any in the > last 5-10 years? > Years ago, I owned a Duplo 63P and it was fantastic! But after > running it to death, we did not replace as we outgrew the need. Since > then we have grown tremendously and find we have a small niche > product that seems to be a good fit for a digital duplicator -- then > we take the printed sheets and apply transfer tape, drill 3-10 holes, > slit tape sometimes, shrink in pkgs. of 100 and ship. Current volume > is clogging up our "real" press and the copiers don't have the > registration we need....nor do they have "time" available for these > jobs. > > Ebay has RN2030UI ??? Also an RZ220UI that is networked. Can't find > specs via google on the RN model. > > I'm not opposed to getting another "real" press, however, with the > riso, the plates are made for it and anyone can run the silly thing > -- I don't need to train anyone for months or years! > > :) > Robin > > p.s. I'm open to suggestions! > > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From dominick at fmtc.com Sat Mar 15 18:26:41 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Sat Mar 15 18:26:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Risographs? In-Reply-To: <47DC39D6.3040009@usacolor.com> References: <47DC39D6.3040009@usacolor.com> Message-ID: <47DC5B31.3000405@fmtc.com> Robin, We run this stuff daily on our two 1075 Ricoh Aficio copiers. Even tho they are now 4 years old, and each has over 3 million copies on them, they still register and will even run 110# index duplexed. (All because of a great service company). We can even 3 hole punch the index on the copier, saving bindery labor. I have never used a Riso, and would worry about the ink drying. Scott is right about the click charges. Ours have edged upward because of the age, but at .0077 per click, cannot complain about a quick 2000 run with a cost of only about 25 dollars, and a retail charge of $130 on 20# bond. We also have a Canon ir3220, which has black clicks at 1 cent, that registers dead on. We have run some 500+ jobs on it just for this reason. Just more for you to think about, Riso vs. copier vs. press. Good luck. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! > > Robin Niewold wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I am looking for a riso that will print one or two sides, 8.5 x 11, >> 20# - 60# - 70# - 110# index. Black ink. 1000 - 25,000 sheets but >> most runs will be 10,000 or less per original. >> Text - minimal. Very light to medium ink coverage. These are medical >> charts that are used as "carrier" sheets -- other, smaller forms are >> taped to them. >> HOWEVER, I need the sheets to register -- good registration will do >> but of course, dead-on would be wonderful. >> I know a duplicator will register better the slower it is run but >> then more ink is also put down on the sheet and I don't want that. >> Also, ink drying used to be a problem -- has that improved any in >> the last 5-10 years? >> Years ago, I owned a Duplo 63P and it was fantastic! But after >> running it to death, we did not replace as we outgrew the need. >> Since then we have grown tremendously and find we have a small niche >> product that seems to be a good fit for a digital duplicator -- then >> we take the printed sheets and apply transfer tape, drill 3-10 >> holes, slit tape sometimes, shrink in pkgs. of 100 and ship. >> Current volume is clogging up our "real" press and the copiers don't >> have the registration we need....nor do they have "time" available >> for these jobs. >> >> Ebay has RN2030UI ??? Also an RZ220UI that is networked. Can't find >> specs via google on the RN model. >> >> I'm not opposed to getting another "real" press, however, with the >> riso, the plates are made for it and anyone can run the silly thing >> -- I don't need to train anyone for months or years! >> >> :) >> Robin >> >> p.s. I'm open to suggestions! >> >> >> Robin Niewold >> Pro-Type Printing, Inc. >> 130 N. Market Street >> Paxton, IL 60957 >> 217.379.4715 >> robin@protypeonline.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From char at themasterspress.com Sat Mar 15 21:12:04 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Sat Mar 15 21:12:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Risographs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Robin I agree with some of the others about going with a copier. Just put the forms on their and let them run. Another thought would be getting another Printmaster and putting it beside the other and let Keri run both at the same time if is it 10M forms. Charlene On 3/15/08 3:26 PM, "Robin Niewold" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am looking for a riso that will print one or two sides, 8.5 x 11, > 20# - 60# - 70# - 110# index. Black ink. 1000 - 25,000 sheets but most > runs will be 10,000 or less per original. > Text - minimal. Very light to medium ink coverage. These are medical > charts that are used as "carrier" sheets -- other, smaller forms are > taped to them. > HOWEVER, I need the sheets to register -- good registration will do > but of course, dead-on would be wonderful. > I know a duplicator will register better the slower it is run but then > more ink is also put down on the sheet and I don't want that. > Also, ink drying used to be a problem -- has that improved any in the > last 5-10 years? > Years ago, I owned a Duplo 63P and it was fantastic! But after running > it to death, we did not replace as we outgrew the need. Since then we > have grown tremendously and find we have a small niche product that > seems to be a good fit for a digital duplicator -- then we take the > printed sheets and apply transfer tape, drill 3-10 holes, slit tape > sometimes, shrink in pkgs. of 100 and ship. Current volume is > clogging up our "real" press and the copiers don't have the > registration we need....nor do they have "time" available for these > jobs. > > Ebay has RN2030UI ??? Also an RZ220UI that is networked. Can't find > specs via google on the RN model. > > I'm not opposed to getting another "real" press, however, with the > riso, the plates are made for it and anyone can run the silly thing -- > I don't need to train anyone for months or years! > > :) > Robin > > p.s. I'm open to suggestions! > > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Charlene Sims The Master?s Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 Fax 972-404-0317 Char@themasterspress.com From robin at protypeonline.com Mon Mar 17 11:35:11 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Mon Mar 17 11:35:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox & Toko Message-ID: Anyone know anything at all about the following - value? quality? Xerox Color 5790 w/ splash RIP Toko 2-color press Model R25H And....any sources that want old horizontal camaera, film processor, nu-arc (huge) flip top platemaker? I've got a couple feelers out now, but thought "the lists" might have some good input. robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From richard at weprintcary.com Mon Mar 17 12:47:31 2008 From: richard at weprintcary.com (Richard Cobb) Date: Mon Mar 17 11:47:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox & Toko In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47DEAEB3.30609@weprintcary.com> The 5790 is a Regal and the Doc12 predecessor. I think it maxes out around 8 per minute. Very heavy toner saturation and fuser oil but best color of its generation and competition. Back then, supplies were not included with clicks. File handling capability very limited. I still have a Colorflare rip that will drive it. Richard Cobb Allegra Print & Imaging 1155 Kildaire Farm Road Cary, NC 27511 919-468-3334 fax 919-468-3880 The Future of Printing is Here Helping Businesses Find Ways to Enhance the VALUE of Their Print Communications! Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Anyone know anything at all about the following - value? quality? > > Xerox Color 5790 w/ splash RIP > > Toko 2-color press Model R25H > > And....any sources that want old horizontal camaera, film processor, > nu-arc (huge) flip top platemaker? > > I've got a couple feelers out now, but thought "the lists" might have > some good input. > > robin > > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com Mon Mar 17 12:12:17 2008 From: sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com (Date-Line Digital Printing) Date: Mon Mar 17 12:14:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Floor Plans In-Reply-To: <017401c88463$efafe550$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> References: <009501c88453$3c64f360$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> <017401c88463$efafe550$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <002601c88852$1084bed0$318e3c70$@com> For grins and giggles, I did 3-D modeling in AutoCAD, and it looked great, but took way too much time, and the layout didn't work out as nice in real life as it did in the screen.... oh well. Travis Lewis Date-Line Digital Printng Fairbanks, ak -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Hughes Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:10 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Floor Plans ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are looking to redesign our shop. I know I can do it by hand, but I was wondering if anyone had experience with an automated tool to do a floor plan. TIA John Hughes Kwik Kopy Printing kk1127@mindspring.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com Tue Mar 11 17:06:08 2008 From: sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com (Date-Line Digital Printing) Date: Mon Mar 17 12:15:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PostalSoft Mailing Software In-Reply-To: <296D3CCA-4D6C-49EC-9DEB-B74B95B41104@eos.net> References: <296D3CCA-4D6C-49EC-9DEB-B74B95B41104@eos.net> Message-ID: <004a01c883c4$1e043500$5a0c9f00$@com> We use PostalSoft, and rarely received the CD's on time (part of living in Alaska), but all the updates are available for download on their website. We just download the updates when the time comes. Travis Lewis Date-Line Digital Printing Fairbanks, AK -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Finke Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 7:05 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] PostalSoft Mailing Software ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We just received our updates yesterday, they are in time for the computer upgrade. I do know that PostalSoft is on the 'expensive' side, but it has always worked well for us. I have had good luck with the phone help, but i have not called them since all the mergers. I do have a question for them so I'll give them a buzz - let you know if they do OK. Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing On Mar 7, 2008, at 10:38 AM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2008 10:30:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > bernies@printnetusa.com writes: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have been using PostalSoft Mailing Software for a number of years. > > They have always bee very prompt in customer service & in supplying > > updated disks, as required by the USPS. > > > > Recently they were sold to Business Objects, and then Business > Objects > > was taken over by a European firm. > > > > Service has gone down hill. > > > > > > Interesting comments that dovetail exactly with a couple of > comments sent to > me along with the recent Industry Mailing Study. One guy went so > far as to > have completed the survey and then sent me a followup letter > telling me that > all the good stuff he had said about Postalsoft was no longer true > and he > wanted me to correct his survey form! > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http:// > www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. 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(http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com Tue Mar 11 16:51:54 2008 From: sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com (Date-Line Digital Printing) Date: Mon Mar 17 12:15:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ink jet adressing Using a copier In-Reply-To: References: <031120081552.1068.47D6AABE000B58680000042C22007481840902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <004801c883c2$20865df0$619319d0$@com> We address as we print for all postcards / flats. Travis Lewis Date-Line Digital Printng -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lake Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 1:35 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Ink jet adressing Using a copier ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We address probably 90% of our mailings on copier/laser printers. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Loren Maurina Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 3:31 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Ink jet adressing Using a copier ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Mar 11, 2008, at 11:52 AM, priorityprinting@comcast.net wrote: > The number of mail pieces we address on gloss stock appears to be > increasing. Is anyone using a copier, or laser printer, to imprint address on post cards instead of ink jet address? Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: Checking... http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: Checking... http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From russ at mobile-print.com Mon Mar 17 13:14:28 2008 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Mon Mar 17 12:15:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Prayer Card Imprinting Message-ID: <47DEB504.1060909@mobile-print.com> We're in the process of acquiring another printer & one of his nice niche's is imprinting prayer cards for funeral homes. These cards are about 2 3/8" x 4 1/8" and are provided by the funeral homes. They have rounded corners & gilded edges. The current printer is setting type on a Linotype and imprinting on a Windmill. The problem is that he's selling them for only $30 for 100. We've looked into running these on our Windmill with zinc cuts, but the time & cost just won't do. We can run them on an A B Dick, but the type & plate costs are too high. We'd love to print digitally, but don't have a device that will go thet small. Any ideas as to a digital device that will print this small? -- Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Mon Mar 17 12:33:41 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Mon Mar 17 12:33:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Prayer Card Imprinting In-Reply-To: <47DEB504.1060909@mobile-print.com> References: <47DEB504.1060909@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <47DEAB75.1070709@sugarloafprint.com> Russ Peters wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We're in the process of acquiring another printer & one of his nice > niche's is imprinting prayer cards for funeral homes. These cards are > about 2 3/8" x 4 1/8" and are provided by the funeral homes. They have > rounded corners & gilded edges. The current printer is setting type on > a Linotype and imprinting on a Windmill. The problem is that he's > selling them for only $30 for 100. > > We've looked into running these on our Windmill with zinc cuts, but > the time & cost just won't do. We can run them on an A B Dick, but the > type & plate costs are too high. We'd love to print digitally, but > don't have a device that will go thet small. > > Any ideas as to a digital device that will print this small? > > You can buy prayer sheets with pre-printed fronts and laser perfs that can be imprinted on a laser printer. I don't have a source, but that's how a funeral home near us imprints them. I'm sure if you did a google you'll find them. -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon Mar 17 12:39:18 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Mon Mar 17 12:39:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Prayer Card Imprinting In-Reply-To: <47DEB504.1060909@mobile-print.com> References: <47DEB504.1060909@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <00b901c88855$d4245e10$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Russ, we print things that small on our HP 1200 printer. We do blank and white envelopes on there also if it is a small order. The colored images we do with our Epson C88+. I just bought some bulk ink from Canada, but haven't had time to set it up yet. Right now, we are using refilled cartridges here locally on trade. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Fax: 316-854-0321 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Russ Peters Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 1:14 PM To: PrintOwners Subject: [PrintOwners] Prayer Card Imprinting ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We're in the process of acquiring another printer & one of his nice niche's is imprinting prayer cards for funeral homes. These cards are about 2 3/8" x 4 1/8" and are provided by the funeral homes. They have rounded corners & gilded edges. The current printer is setting type on a Linotype and imprinting on a Windmill. The problem is that he's selling them for only $30 for 100. We've looked into running these on our Windmill with zinc cuts, but the time & cost just won't do. We can run them on an A B Dick, but the type & plate costs are too high. We'd love to print digitally, but don't have a device that will go thet small. Any ideas as to a digital device that will print this small? -- Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2953 (20080317) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From kellycrom at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 12:39:45 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Mon Mar 17 12:40:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Prayer Card Imprinting In-Reply-To: <47DEB504.1060909@mobile-print.com> References: <47DEB504.1060909@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <023c01c88855$e4c40b30$6d01a8c0@KELLY> We have a funeral home client also. They don't do as many of those small prayer cards as in the past, but when they do, we run them on our old Ryobi 985. I once did a last minute Saturday run of these on my desktop inkjet printer, only problem is that most of those prayer cards are on an enamel stock, which inkjets won't dry on. I ran the cards, then ran them under my dryer on our addressing printer, the ink set some, but you could still rub it off. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Russ Peters > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 1:14 PM > To: PrintOwners > Subject: [PrintOwners] Prayer Card Imprinting > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We're in the process of acquiring another printer & one of his nice > niche's is imprinting prayer cards for funeral homes. These cards are > about 2 3/8" x 4 1/8" and are provided by the funeral homes. > They have > rounded corners & gilded edges. The current printer is > setting type on a > Linotype and imprinting on a Windmill. The problem is that > he's selling > them for only $30 for 100. > > We've looked into running these on our Windmill with zinc > cuts, but the > time & cost just won't do. We can run them on an A B Dick, > but the type > & plate costs are too high. We'd love to print digitally, but > don't have > a device that will go thet small. > > Any ideas as to a digital device that will print this small? > > > -- > Russ Peters > MOBILE PRINT, INC. > 201 W. Central Road > Mount Prospect, IL 60056 > Phone: 847.398.6155 > Fax: 847.398.0788 > E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com > W. www.Mobile-Print.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From hal at pickimp.com Mon Mar 17 13:54:45 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Mon Mar 17 12:50:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Prayer Card Imprinting References: <47DEB504.1060909@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <001901c88860$5f7e2680$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> All the funeral homes around here use a steno-printer they got from the funeral card company. Cost to produce is about a nickel in material. Hal ----- Original Message ----- From: Russ Peters To: PrintOwners Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 1:14 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Prayer Card Imprinting ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We're in the process of acquiring another printer & one of his nice niche's is imprinting prayer cards for funeral homes. These cards are about 2 3/8" x 4 1/8" and are provided by the funeral homes. They have rounded corners & gilded edges. The current printer is setting type on a Linotype and imprinting on a Windmill. The problem is that he's selling them for only $30 for 100. We've looked into running these on our Windmill with zinc cuts, but the time & cost just won't do. We can run them on an A B Dick, but the type & plate costs are too high. We'd love to print digitally, but don't have a device that will go thet small. Any ideas as to a digital device that will print this small? -- Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From russ at mobile-print.com Mon Mar 17 13:57:08 2008 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Mon Mar 17 12:58:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Prayer Card Imprinting In-Reply-To: <47DEAB75.1070709@sugarloafprint.com> References: <47DEB504.1060909@mobile-print.com> <47DEAB75.1070709@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: <47DEBF04.8030903@mobile-print.com> Yeah, but there's a couple of issues with these... 1) The funeral homes currently have a large inventory of small, 1 up cards on hand 2) They really like the rounded corners 3) Laser sheets could be run by the funeral homes themselves, thus cutting us out. I can run them on the AB Dick 8820, but the cost is too high. Our normal selling price would be $57, but the current guy is selling at $30. I can bump it up a bit, not double. I have some HP LaserJet 1100's, but they don't go down to 2 3/8" x 4 1/8". Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com Ron Sardo wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Russ Peters wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> We're in the process of acquiring another printer & one of his nice >> niche's is imprinting prayer cards for funeral homes. These cards are >> about 2 3/8" x 4 1/8" and are provided by the funeral homes. They >> have rounded corners & gilded edges. The current printer is setting >> type on a Linotype and imprinting on a Windmill. The problem is that >> he's selling them for only $30 for 100. >> >> We've looked into running these on our Windmill with zinc cuts, but >> the time & cost just won't do. We can run them on an A B Dick, but >> the type & plate costs are too high. We'd love to print digitally, >> but don't have a device that will go thet small. >> >> Any ideas as to a digital device that will print this small? >> >> > You can buy prayer sheets with pre-printed fronts and laser perfs that > can be imprinted on a laser printer. > > I don't have a source, but that's how a funeral home near us imprints > them. I'm sure if you did a google you'll find them. > From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Mon Mar 17 12:59:50 2008 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Mon Mar 17 13:00:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection advice Message-ID: We have an out of town customer stiffing us for about $400. (We did recieve about $600 as a down payment on a $1000 job.) Can anyone recommend a collection agency? Or an agency that would at least report this guy to the credit rating companies so that we can at least ruin, or hinder, his credit rating? Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying From sgfinke at fuse.net Mon Mar 17 13:00:33 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Mon Mar 17 13:00:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Prayer Card Imprinting In-Reply-To: <47DEB504.1060909@mobile-print.com> References: <47DEB504.1060909@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <2D33EB68-9C6E-4BA6-AE8F-24F5659EA435@fuse.net> We looked into doing this but found, just as you have, that this is an extreme niche business. The funeral homes provide the cards, so if you can get them to provide uncut cards you could print them however you liked. I see getting them to buy different cards as the key. There's a reason your guy did it that way -- although, Yowza! There ought to be an easier way than Lintotype. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Mar 17, 2008, at 2:14 PM, Russ Peters wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We're in the process of acquiring another printer & one of his nice > niche's is imprinting prayer cards for funeral homes. These cards > are about 2 3/8" x 4 1/8" and are provided by the funeral homes. > They have rounded corners & gilded edges. The current printer is > setting type on a Linotype and imprinting on a Windmill. The > problem is that he's selling them for only $30 for 100. > > We've looked into running these on our Windmill with zinc cuts, but > the time & cost just won't do. We can run them on an A B Dick, but > the type & plate costs are too high. We'd love to print digitally, > but don't have a device that will go thet small. > > Any ideas as to a digital device that will print this small? > > > -- > Russ Peters > MOBILE PRINT, INC. > 201 W. Central Road > Mount Prospect, IL 60056 > Phone: 847.398.6155 > Fax: 847.398.0788 > E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com > W. www.Mobile-Print.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From gamble at choiceonemail.com Mon Mar 17 13:31:04 2008 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Mon Mar 17 13:31:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Software Issues In-Reply-To: <00b901c88855$d4245e10$6401a8c0@corapurvine> References: <47DEB504.1060909@mobile-print.com> <00b901c88855$d4245e10$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <046b01c8885d$0f124210$0301a8c0@RICK> For those of you who are doing mailings out there I have a question(s). 1) My understanding is in August 2008 requirements will be as such that all lists First Class and Standard Mail will need to be NCOA encoded. 2) In the above how are your software companies planning to handle this regulation. I use MM2010 and have been very happy to a point but have heard a lot about accu zip as being a more friendly and cost effective product if you use this how are they handling the NCOA issue? 3) What kind of charges are you seeing for this service I know this may have been addressed and I apologize up front for re asking just I am not getting very far with BCC and to be honest kind of unhappy with the attitude I just received over the phone when I asked the questions. Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Purvine Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 1:39 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Prayer Card Imprinting ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Russ, we print things that small on our HP 1200 printer. We do blank and white envelopes on there also if it is a small order. The colored images we do with our Epson C88+. I just bought some bulk ink from Canada, but haven't had time to set it up yet. Right now, we are using refilled cartridges here locally on trade. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Fax: 316-854-0321 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Russ Peters Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 1:14 PM To: PrintOwners Subject: [PrintOwners] Prayer Card Imprinting ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We're in the process of acquiring another printer & one of his nice niche's is imprinting prayer cards for funeral homes. These cards are about 2 3/8" x 4 1/8" and are provided by the funeral homes. They have rounded corners & gilded edges. The current printer is setting type on a Linotype and imprinting on a Windmill. The problem is that he's selling them for only $30 for 100. We've looked into running these on our Windmill with zinc cuts, but the time & cost just won't do. We can run them on an A B Dick, but the type & plate costs are too high. We'd love to print digitally, but don't have a device that will go thet small. Any ideas as to a digital device that will print this small? -- Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2953 (20080317) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Mon Mar 17 13:40:41 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Mon Mar 17 13:40:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47DEBB29.7030209@satx.rr.com> May I recommend borrowing a 2 or 3 year old and telling them they can play in the front office of the customer?. They don't have to worry if they break anything it's OK. I have done that once long ago and it worked great. I had a check in hand in less than 5 minutes. I have a 3 year old grand daughter I could borrow now If needed. If you were closer I'd offer to help you out. :-) Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Bernard Bahn wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have an out of town customer stiffing us for about $400. (We did recieve > about $600 as a down payment on a $1000 job.) Can anyone recommend a > collection agency? Or an agency that would at least report this guy to the > credit rating companies so that we can at least ruin, or hinder, his credit > rating? > > > Respectfully, > > > > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc > 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 > > Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | > bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com > > http://www.creativeimaginginc.com > Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From bob at rjmprinting.com Mon Mar 17 13:50:50 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Mon Mar 17 13:51:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection advice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Have you tried visiting the customer and requesting payment, the really don't like you talking about payments at their place of business. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bernard Bahn Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 1:00 PM To: multiple recipients of Print Owners Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection advice ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have an out of town customer stiffing us for about $400. (We did recieve about $600 as a down payment on a $1000 job.) Can anyone recommend a collection agency? Or an agency that would at least report this guy to the credit rating companies so that we can at least ruin, or hinder, his credit rating? Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ron at printingconcepts.com Mon Mar 17 14:09:02 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Mon Mar 17 14:02:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] EEOC RANT Message-ID: I just spent the better part of yesterday responding to a ridiculous Equal Opportunity Commission complaint from a low life we fired. Totally without any basis in reality, four of my people signed statements countering what he claims. He didn't have to present one shred of evidence to get EEOC on my back, I had to counter with copious documentation. He also made a complaint to National Labor Relations Board but withdrew it, I think because they have a penalty for anyone making false statements. EEOC does not. I asked them if they have a process for barring people who abuse their system, and they do not. Our government at work. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From copythatnyc at aol.com Mon Mar 17 14:04:44 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Mon Mar 17 14:05:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA5678E5A0CF6A-3B0-6C9@MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com> Hmmm? that Black Flag website for non payers or bad checks still sound good! Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Bernard Bahn To: multiple recipients of Print Owners Sent: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 1:59 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection advice ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have an out of town customer stiffing us for about $400. (We did recieve about $600 as a down payment on a $1000 job.) Can anyone recommend a collection agency? Or an agency that would at least report this guy to the credit rating companies so that we can at least ruin, or hinder, his credit rating? Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com Mon Mar 17 14:15:20 2008 From: Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com (Gerry Engelhart) Date: Mon Mar 17 14:15:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Martin Yale item needed In-Reply-To: <20080317174031.C252BE7ECFC@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <20080317141579.SM01708@Engelhart> I need a Martin-Yale BCS212 (12-up) Business Card Slitter Anyone know where to buy this? Gerry Engelhart Porath Printsource From robin at protypeonline.com Mon Mar 17 14:16:10 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Mon Mar 17 14:16:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection advice Message-ID: <685DB17A-B648-4FCE-882B-2D9582936619@protypeonline.com> Bernie, I just hung up the phone from calling 4 local deadbeats. I won't pay my staff to call them anymore, but I'm willing to do whatever is necessary to get them to pay! Two older women in town write some silly books about their life growing up. They sell at least a dozen books/year. We made some posters for them to use at a book signing and reading. Those two old ladies owe us $88. Then an old man that runs his own electronics business out of his home -- owes us $140. Told me he has been in the hosp. 26 out of last 30 days. I told him "no" he wasn't because he talked to me from home in Feb. and told me he had only been in hosp. in Jan.....and HEY! I was in the hospital last year also, and I'm paying my bills. YES! I told him that. He promised to pay and I promised to collect. And then a landscaper that had my staff work overtime to get her color business cards printed so she had them for a trade show.....now she is slow and can't pay. WHY do people think they can do this? Don't answer, I'm just frustrated but will persist! I could take them to small claims court but I think I have to pay $25 to start the process. I know I'm lucky that this is all I cannot collect, but I'm sure you understand my frustration as I share yours! :( robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Mon Mar 17 14:17:14 2008 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Mon Mar 17 14:17:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection advice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The customer is out of town. Always paid before, but not this time. Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Have you tried visiting the customer and requesting payment, the really don't like you talking about payments at their place of business. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bernard Bahn Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 1:00 PM To: multiple recipients of Print Owners Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection advice ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** From robin at protypeonline.com Mon Mar 17 14:20:46 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Mon Mar 17 14:20:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unemployment Qualifying? Message-ID: I have an employee that talked with me about 2 months ago (I have our conversation documented and dated in her employment file) to tell me she was not happy working here and planned to stay until May which would be her one year anniversary to see if anything would change. After a lengthy discussion where I told her the pace, deadlines and staff -- all of which were problematic for her -- would not change in the next couple of months. She agreed this was not the job for her. End of discussion she agreed that she should begin to look for another job and I would look for her replacement. IF I found first, I would keep her on for "a while" and use her however I could until she found employment. Well, she really isn't looking and I'm getting ready to replace her so this morning I told her I could only use her another two weeks. She was shocked and thought she could just stay here as long as she needed. Now, can she collect unemployment? Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From jgross at techiowa.com Mon Mar 17 14:25:03 2008 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Mon Mar 17 14:25:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unemployment Qualifying? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004301c88864$9c9644e0$1e00000a@tech.local> Sounds like she resigned to me. Better if she signed the meeting summary though. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc Iowa City, Iowa 52240 techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 2:21 PM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Unemployment Qualifying? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have an employee that talked with me about 2 months ago (I have our conversation documented and dated in her employment file) to tell me she was not happy working here and planned to stay until May which would be her one year anniversary to see if anything would change. After a lengthy discussion where I told her the pace, deadlines and staff -- all of which were problematic for her -- would not change in the next couple of months. She agreed this was not the job for her. End of discussion she agreed that she should begin to look for another job and I would look for her replacement. IF I found first, I would keep her on for "a while" and use her however I could until she found employment. Well, she really isn't looking and I'm getting ready to replace her so this morning I told her I could only use her another two weeks. She was shocked and thought she could just stay here as long as she needed. Now, can she collect unemployment? Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Mon Mar 17 14:36:22 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Mon Mar 17 14:36:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is my guy, his company is good, and they're definitely on your team. They've been very effective. Mitch Steel Ethan & Associates Mandeville, LA 70448 Phn. 1-888-830-3170 Fax. 1-985-875-2034 Msteel@ethaninc.com www.ethaninc.com Regards, Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com On Mar 17, 2008, at 3:17 PM, Bernard Bahn wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The customer is out of town. Always paid before, but not this time. > > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc > 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 > > > > Have you tried visiting the customer and requesting payment, the > really > don't like you talking about payments at their place of business. > > Bob Molacek > Sir Speedy Printing > 7793 Ranchers Road > Fridley, MN 55432 > 763-571-4608 > bob@rjmprinting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bernard Bahn > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 1:00 PM > To: multiple recipients of Print Owners > Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection advice > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From hal at pickimp.com Mon Mar 17 15:44:09 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Mon Mar 17 14:40:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection advice References: Message-ID: <002701c8886f$a94cf700$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Suing him in small claims (and actually collecting) is child's play. I simply don't understand why printers always say things like small claims doesn't work (it does). Printers sue, they win but can't collect. Not true. Go to your local court get the form, fill it out. Show up in court with all documentation. When you win ask how long you must wait for payment. When they don't pay put a garnishment on their checking acct. Have your money in 5 days. Just be sure to add all the costs for forms, garnishment fees, blah, blah, blah. It works 100% of the time unless the client is dead and buried. See Russ to see if he printed funeral cards. The last one we had was a pizzeria, when they didn't pay I requested a "tii tap". The judge said he'd never heard of a till tap. I explained and honest to God -- the judge said "That's really cool --OK" He sent a court officer to the pizzeria who sat in the lobby and collected every penny that came in for 3 business days plus the Court Officer fee. All at no charge just for us. You need to spend a half-hour to learn how small claims court really works in your state. The pizzeria guy used to be a Court Officer and figured that since we were just printers he'd out maneuver us. He didn't. If you sue, win and don't collect you probably don't deserve to collect. Sorry but it's true. Hal From char at themasterspress.com Mon Mar 17 14:45:03 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Mon Mar 17 14:42:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unemployment Qualifying? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00ce01c88867$64c5c1f0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Robin you won't win on this one. You don't have any REAL ground as far as unemployment is concerned. She WILL file but you do not have that much turnover and it really won't cost you that much. Not compared to what it will cost you to keep her and fight it out for the next months. Just let her go. It is so much easier to tell someone else how to run their business than it is to run my own. :-) ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 2:21 PM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Unemployment Qualifying? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have an employee that talked with me about 2 months ago (I have our conversation documented and dated in her employment file) to tell me she was not happy working here and planned to stay until May which would be her one year anniversary to see if anything would change. After a lengthy discussion where I told her the pace, deadlines and staff -- all of which were problematic for her -- would not change in the next couple of months. She agreed this was not the job for her. End of discussion she agreed that she should begin to look for another job and I would look for her replacement. IF I found first, I would keep her on for "a while" and use her however I could until she found employment. Well, she really isn't looking and I'm getting ready to replace her so this morning I told her I could only use her another two weeks. She was shocked and thought she could just stay here as long as she needed. Now, can she collect unemployment? Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2953 (20080317) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2953 (20080317) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon Mar 17 14:47:14 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon Mar 17 14:48:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unemployment Qualifying? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200803171948.m2HJmMNE022273@i2bnetworks.com> In California, the only way to avoid being charged for unemployment on your account, is if it could be shown that the employee did not act in the best interest of the employer. So here, on the left coast, in the deep south of California, the answer would be yes. But since unemployment compensation is a state issue, you'll have to check with your state. Probably a better definition of "a while" would probably help next time as well. S. At 12:20 PM 3/17/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I have an employee that talked with me about 2 months ago (I have our >conversation documented and dated in her employment file) to tell me >she was not happy working here and planned to stay until May which >would be her one year anniversary to see if anything would change. >After a lengthy discussion where I told her the pace, deadlines and >staff -- all of which were problematic for her -- would not change in >the next couple of months. She agreed this was not the job for her. >End of discussion she agreed that she should begin to look for another >job and I would look for her replacement. IF I found first, I would >keep her on for "a while" and use her however I could until she found >employment. Well, she really isn't looking and I'm getting ready to >replace her so this morning I told her I could only use her another >two weeks. She was shocked and thought she could just stay here as >long as she needed. Now, can she collect unemployment? >Robin > >Robin Niewold >Pro-Type Printing, Inc. >130 N. Market Street >Paxton, IL 60957 >217.379.4715 >robin@protypeonline.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2953 (20080317) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From greg at pressexpress.org Mon Mar 17 14:49:40 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon Mar 17 14:50:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I first start out with friendly phone calls and statements, then I write a nice letter stating that I have tried to collect in a friendly manner but to no resolve. I continue to state that the job left our shop in a satisfactory manner and that there were no complaints about the job. Then sum it up stating that you consider this to be retail theft and that you will take them to small claims court for retail theft. Remind him that if it goes that far, that they will be responsible for court costs as well. Close by saying that you feel you did everything you could and you really do not wish to go down this road, but will. Also, send it out certified, return receipt. This gets them to actually sign the letter and the post office mails back a signed post card. It gets action. This works, I have yet to actually file a small claims action against anyone. However, there is that chance that the amount simply is not collectable. Good luck Greg On Mar 17, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Bernard Bahn wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The customer is out of town. Always paid before, but not this time. > > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc > 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 > > > > Have you tried visiting the customer and requesting payment, the > really > don't like you talking about payments at their place of business. > > Bob Molacek > Sir Speedy Printing > 7793 Ranchers Road > Fridley, MN 55432 > 763-571-4608 > bob@rjmprinting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bernard Bahn > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 1:00 PM > To: multiple recipients of Print Owners > Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection advice > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From PendyPtg at aol.com Mon Mar 17 14:54:21 2008 From: PendyPtg at aol.com (PendyPtg@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 17 14:54:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Church quote scam? Message-ID: To the group: If this has been brought up in the past, please forgive me. We recently had an unsolicited email asking for a quote on 100,000 4/0 flyers from a gentleman from South Carolina (we are in Wisconsin). In order to get more information, we asked him to call us with more details. The phone call was through an operator because the caller was deaf. We gave him a price and he asked what type of payment we accepted. He accepted the price and wants to pay with a credit card. A signature in his email has (UPPER CHURCH OF CHRIST) Theme: GOD BLESS US. This whole thing sounds like a scam. I thought I read an email from the group talking about a similar issue. Please give me your thoughts. Pat Pendergast Kwik Kopy Germantown, WI ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From char at themasterspress.com Mon Mar 17 15:07:21 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Mon Mar 17 15:05:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Church quote scam? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00d801c8886a$82cddea0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> It is a scam that has been going on and talked about much. Run don't walk. Don't even talk to them anymore. It is a waste of your time. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of PendyPtg@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 2:54 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Church quote scam? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** To the group: If this has been brought up in the past, please forgive me. We recently had an unsolicited email asking for a quote on 100,000 4/0 flyers from a gentleman from South Carolina (we are in Wisconsin). In order to get more information, we asked him to call us with more details. The phone call was through an operator because the caller was deaf. We gave him a price and he asked what type of payment we accepted. He accepted the price and wants to pay with a credit card. A signature in his email has (UPPER CHURCH OF CHRIST) Theme: GOD BLESS US. This whole thing sounds like a scam. I thought I read an email from the group talking about a similar issue. Please give me your thoughts. Pat Pendergast Kwik Kopy Germantown, WI ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2953 (20080317) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2953 (20080317) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From sos at olympus.net Mon Mar 17 15:11:55 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Mar 17 15:12:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Church quote scam? References: Message-ID: <008d01c8886b$26236070$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > If this has been brought up in the past, please forgive me. We recently > had > an unsolicited email asking for a quote on 100,000 4/0 flyers from a > gentleman > from South Carolina (we are in Wisconsin). In order to get more > information, > we asked him to call us with more details. The phone call was through an > operator because the caller was deaf. We gave him a price and he asked > what type of > payment we accepted. He accepted the price and wants to pay with a credit > card. A signature in his email has (UPPER CHURCH OF CHRIST) Theme: GOD > BLESS US. > This whole thing sounds like a scam. I thought I read an email from the > group > talking about a similar issue. Please give me your thoughts. ======================= Scam. They usually want you to ship them to Africa using a certain shipper which you will have to pay for, then after shipping them, you'll find their credit cards were stolen and no good, and you'll be left holding the bag and out whatever the shipping charges were. They are in cahoots with the shipper. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From inkyhand at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 15:17:05 2008 From: inkyhand at gmail.com (Ron Livingston) Date: Mon Mar 17 15:17:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Martin Yale item needed In-Reply-To: <20080317141579.SM01708@Engelhart> References: <20080317174031.C252BE7ECFC@rb.enter.net> <20080317141579.SM01708@Engelhart> Message-ID: <5c2107b30803171317v12d1ad30r3f6344e3a67c1d8e@mail.gmail.com> There are 2 on Ebay *http://tinyurl.com/2b9rp5 or **http://tinyurl.com/yusnxt or http://www.wheelermachines.com/martinyale.htm or here on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Martin-Yale-BCS212-Business-Slitter/dp/B000N2R1QQ or here at factory express http://www.factory-express.com/paper_cutters/martin_yale_BCS212/martin_yale_bcs212.html Ron * On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Gerry Engelhart < Gerrye@porathprintsource.com> wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I need a Martin-Yale BCS212 (12-up) Business Card Slitter > > Anyone know where to buy this? > > > -- Ron Livingston Cornerstone Press 1228 Scyene, Suite 117 Mesquite, TX 75149 (972) 285-4670 From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Mon Mar 17 15:19:35 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Mon Mar 17 15:19:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection advice In-Reply-To: <20080317190235.B382AE7F075@rb.enter.net> References: <20080317190235.B382AE7F075@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: It is also efficacious if, when the delinquent debtor has full length glass doors at his customer-crowded office, the toddlers have ice-cream --- all over their sticky hands and faces. > May I recommend borrowing a 2 or 3 year old and telling them they can > play in the front office of the customer?. They don't have to worry if > they break anything it's OK. I have done that once long ago and it > worked great. I had a check in hand in less than 5 minutes. I have a 3 > year old grand daughter I could borrow now If needed. If you were > closer I'd offer to help you out. :-) Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Mon Mar 17 15:19:54 2008 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Mon Mar 17 15:20:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Church quote scam? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Scam. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of PendyPtg@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 2:54 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Church quote scam? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** To the group: If this has been brought up in the past, please forgive me. We recently had an unsolicited email asking for a quote on 100,000 4/0 flyers from a gentleman from South Carolina (we are in Wisconsin). In order to get more information, we asked him to call us with more details. The phone call was through an operator because the caller was deaf. We gave him a price and he asked what type of payment we accepted. He accepted the price and wants to pay with a credit card. A signature in his email has (UPPER CHURCH OF CHRIST) Theme: GOD BLESS US. This whole thing sounds like a scam. I thought I read an email from the group talking about a similar issue. Please give me your thoughts. Pat Pendergast Kwik Kopy Germantown, WI ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1331 - Release Date: 3/16/2008 10:34 AM From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon Mar 17 15:26:05 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Mon Mar 17 15:26:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Prayer Card Imprinting In-Reply-To: <47DEBF04.8030903@mobile-print.com> References: <47DEB504.1060909@mobile-print.com><47DEAB75.1070709@sugarloafprint.com> <47DEBF04.8030903@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <00ed01c8886d$20659480$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Russ, can you turn the sheet the other direction to run it. You might have to change your artwork, but we do this sometimes? Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Fax: 316-854-0321 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Russ Peters Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 1:57 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Prayer Card Imprinting ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Yeah, but there's a couple of issues with these... 1) The funeral homes currently have a large inventory of small, 1 up cards on hand 2) They really like the rounded corners 3) Laser sheets could be run by the funeral homes themselves, thus cutting us out. I can run them on the AB Dick 8820, but the cost is too high. Our normal selling price would be $57, but the current guy is selling at $30. I can bump it up a bit, not double. I have some HP LaserJet 1100's, but they don't go down to 2 3/8" x 4 1/8". Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com Ron Sardo wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Russ Peters wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> We're in the process of acquiring another printer & one of his nice >> niche's is imprinting prayer cards for funeral homes. These cards are >> about 2 3/8" x 4 1/8" and are provided by the funeral homes. They >> have rounded corners & gilded edges. The current printer is setting >> type on a Linotype and imprinting on a Windmill. The problem is that >> he's selling them for only $30 for 100. >> >> We've looked into running these on our Windmill with zinc cuts, but >> the time & cost just won't do. We can run them on an A B Dick, but >> the type & plate costs are too high. We'd love to print digitally, >> but don't have a device that will go thet small. >> >> Any ideas as to a digital device that will print this small? >> >> > You can buy prayer sheets with pre-printed fronts and laser perfs that > can be imprinted on a laser printer. > > I don't have a source, but that's how a funeral home near us imprints > them. I'm sure if you did a google you'll find them. > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2953 (20080317) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon Mar 17 15:27:47 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Mon Mar 17 15:27:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Martin Yale item needed In-Reply-To: <20080317141579.SM01708@Engelhart> References: <20080317174031.C252BE7ECFC@rb.enter.net> <20080317141579.SM01708@Engelhart> Message-ID: <00f701c8886d$5d25a4a0$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Doesn't the Printers magazine that comes out sell them? They used to. Can't remember the name of that magazine though. Printer's Shopper or something like that. What about e-bay? Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Fax: 316-854-0321 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Engelhart Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 2:15 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Martin Yale item needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I need a Martin-Yale BCS212 (12-up) Business Card Slitter Anyone know where to buy this? Gerry Engelhart Porath Printsource _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2953 (20080317) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Mon Mar 17 15:28:34 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Mon Mar 17 15:28:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Church quote scam? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47DED472.4040200@sugarloafprint.com> Bernard Bahn wrote: > Scam. > Yup, I just received one for a load of banners -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From greg at pressexpress.org Mon Mar 17 12:48:06 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon Mar 17 15:40:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] recycled paper Message-ID: <2B047605-0805-4F19-8A8F-607A57B46711@pressexpress.org> I have a client looking for a true 100% de-inked recycled paper 8.5x11 20# "dirty" (recycled) white My client use to use Hammermill Unity DP #09730-1,which was made from 100% de-inked newspaper and magazine. It states a 100% recycled - 50% post consumer fiber. This hammermill is discontinued. Anyone out there using or can suggest something similar? Thanks Greg Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Mon Mar 17 15:44:14 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Mon Mar 17 15:43:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unemployment Qualifying? In-Reply-To: <20080317194302.DF5FBE7F38A@rb.enter.net> References: <20080317194302.DF5FBE7F38A@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: If an employee in Illinois, part-time or full-time, has attended for 30 working days or more (in whatever period is legislated - not relevant in this instance) and is dismissed without cause, then the employing unit is liable for his/her unemployment compensation claim. Dismissal for cause is not easy to prove to the Illinois Department of Employment Security (IDES). Prior written warnings of misbehavior are almost a requirement. Unless she quit or will quit of her own accord, you're stuck with the bill! Did she sign a resignation letter? What proof is there that she resigned voluntarily? However, ignoring the cost of increased UI premiums, is the company better off with this employee, or without this employee? We ALWAYS keep track of when this initial 29 working day period (about 6 calendar weeks) will expire. Indeed, Thursday, March 20, 2008 is a dismissal day! > I have an employee that talked with me about 2 months ago (I have our > conversation documented and dated in her employment file) to tell me > she was not happy working here and planned to stay until May which > would be her one year anniversary to see if anything would change. > After a lengthy discussion where I told her the pace, deadlines and > staff -- all of which were problematic for her -- would not change in > the next couple of months. She agreed this was not the job for her. > End of discussion she agreed that she should begin to look for another > job and I would look for her replacement. IF I found first, I would > keep her on for "a while" and use her however I could until she found > employment. Well, she really isn't looking and I'm getting ready to > replace her so this morning I told her I could only use her another > two weeks. She was shocked and thought she could just stay here as > long as she needed. Now, can she collect unemployment? > Robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From si at ria.net Mon Mar 17 15:46:25 2008 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Mon Mar 17 15:48:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] recycled paper In-Reply-To: <2B047605-0805-4F19-8A8F-607A57B46711@pressexpress.org> References: <2B047605-0805-4F19-8A8F-607A57B46711@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: <20080317134759.BDA42B19@dm07.mta.everyone.net> Western States Recovery 24# is now "100% Post-Consumer Recycled" and FSC Certified. It's not "dirty white" like Unity used to be, and it's not 20#. But it might be acceptable to your client if nothing else shows up. Doug At 01:48 PM 3/17/2008, Greg Weinfurter wrote: >I have a client looking for a true 100% de-inked recycled paper > >8.5x11 > >20# > >"dirty" (recycled) white > >My client use to use Hammermill Unity DP #09730-1,which was made from >100% de-inked newspaper and magazine. > >It states a 100% recycled - 50% post consumer fiber. -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. 327 12th Street, Toledo, Ohio 43604 USA Tel +1 419 242 7877 Fax +1 419 244 8653 mailto:das@superiorimpressions.com Upload your files to our Digital Dropbox http://superiorimpressions.com/up From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon Mar 17 15:49:25 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Mon Mar 17 15:49:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collection advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <010301c88870$633bfe90$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Maybe you could put on this list the town and one of us that lives close could contact you and see show we could help you out....JAT Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Fax: 316-854-0321 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From doug at vipprinting.com Mon Mar 17 15:49:15 2008 From: doug at vipprinting.com (Douglas W. Rinnert) Date: Mon Mar 17 15:54:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Equipment Valuation In-Reply-To: <8B112B64-422B-4A00-B8BA-E24913C0D1E1@eos.net> References: <8B112B64-422B-4A00-B8BA-E24913C0D1E1@eos.net> Message-ID: Scott, Try Tom Herzog at PressAmerica, LLC. he was with HRB before they were purchased by Komori. Tom has done this in the past for us and our bank was impressed with his knowledge and expertise. Toms information is: Tom Herzog PressAmerica, LLC 1718 Blue Rock Street Cincinnati, Oh 45223 PH: 513.853.0203 Fax: 513.853.0206 Doug Rinnert V.I.P. Printing & Design 9862 Crescent Park Drive West Chester, Ohio 45069 513.777.7468 office 513.777.7459 fax -- Doug Rinnert V.I.P. Printing & Design 9862 Crescent Park Drive West Chester, Ohio 45069 513.777.7468 office 513.777.7459 fax 513.623.6907 cell From greg at pressexpress.org Mon Mar 17 15:55:20 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon Mar 17 15:55:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] recycled paper In-Reply-To: <20080317134759.BDA42B19@dm07.mta.everyone.net> References: <2B047605-0805-4F19-8A8F-607A57B46711@pressexpress.org> <20080317134759.BDA42B19@dm07.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <6F09153F-6F99-4942-9547-AB3BCCBCFDCB@pressexpress.org> I just don't get email. I got an answer before I even received my question back. Greg On Mar 17, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Doug Shelton wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Western States Recovery 24# is now "100% Post-Consumer Recycled" > and FSC Certified. It's not "dirty white" like Unity used to be, > and it's not 20#. But it might be acceptable to your client if > nothing else shows up. > > Doug > > At 01:48 PM 3/17/2008, Greg Weinfurter wrote: > >> I have a client looking for a true 100% de-inked recycled paper >> >> 8.5x11 >> >> 20# >> >> "dirty" (recycled) white >> >> My client use to use Hammermill Unity DP #09730-1,which was made from >> 100% de-inked newspaper and magazine. >> >> It states a 100% recycled - 50% post consumer fiber. > > -- > Doug Shelton > Superior Impressions, Inc. > 327 12th Street, Toledo, Ohio 43604 USA > Tel +1 419 242 7877 Fax +1 419 244 8653 > mailto:das@superiorimpressions.com > > Upload your files to our Digital Dropbox > http://superiorimpressions.com/up > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Mon Mar 17 15:56:20 2008 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King) Date: Mon Mar 17 15:56:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Church quote scam? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000701c88871$5a0a0ff0$0e1e2fd0$@com> It's totally legitimate. He spends millions of dollars a year on printing worldwide. The buyer, though, is somewhat skeptical that some disreputable printer will try to rip him off, so he has asked that I act as his intermediary and requested that all interested printers should send me a 'good-faith' check of $100 to show they're legitimate printers and really serious about doing the job. Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From awbunny at earthlink.net Mon Mar 17 16:00:13 2008 From: awbunny at earthlink.net (Amy Watson) Date: Mon Mar 17 16:00:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] recycled paper In-Reply-To: <2B047605-0805-4F19-8A8F-607A57B46711@pressexpress.org> References: <2B047605-0805-4F19-8A8F-607A57B46711@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: Genesis (which I believe is made by Smart Papers) is 100% de-inked recycled post consumer. Various finishes, colors, and weights including 24W. Not all the colors and finishes are 100% PCW though. Some are only 30% or 50%. Amy Watson 1984 PRINTING 674 23rd Street Oakland, CA 94612 510.435.8338 amy@1984printing.com www.1984printing.com On Mar 17, 2008, at 10:48 AM, Greg Weinfurter wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a client looking for a true 100% de-inked recycled paper > > 8.5x11 > > 20# > > "dirty" (recycled) white > > My client use to use Hammermill Unity DP #09730-1,which was made > from 100% de-inked newspaper and magazine. > > It states a 100% recycled - 50% post consumer fiber. > > This hammermill is discontinued. > > Anyone out there using or can suggest something similar? > > Thanks > > Greg > > > > Press Express > 1869 N. Stevens St. > Rhinelander, WI 54501 > Phone 715-362-2828 > Fax 715-369-2828 > info@pressexpress.org > > Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider > Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Mon Mar 17 16:05:03 2008 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Mon Mar 17 16:05:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] collection advice - Small Claims Court Message-ID: Hal suggested Small Claims. I called them and was informed that yes, I can sue the company (or individual) in the other state. I have to contact the Secretary of State's office within that state and file an Abstract which is basically a request to determine the corporate filing status of the sued party (S Corp, C Corp, etc.). Then armed with that info, I can fill out the necessary papers in Missouri to sue in Small Claims. I then contact/pay the Sherriff in the out-of-state County to serve him the summons to appear in Court. Now, assuming I win the case, I'm unsure how I will collect my money, but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. Anyway, maybe this info helps someone else. Thanks for all the replies. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying From kellycrom at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 16:18:59 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Mon Mar 17 16:19:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Church quote scam? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <029d01c88874$85218710$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Definitely a scam. If someone ever gets a "return" call from him(after the relay operator for the deaf), funny thing is - "he" calls himself, and can hear just fine! I know my self(and at least 1 other) have gone so far as to collect a few credit card numbers from him/them and report them to the banks as stolen numbers(we never did any of the printing, as we knew of the scam). Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > PendyPtg@aol.com > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 2:54 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Church quote scam? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > To the group: > > If this has been brought up in the past, please forgive me. > We recently had > an unsolicited email asking for a quote on 100,000 4/0 flyers > from a gentleman > from South Carolina (we are in Wisconsin). In order to get > more information, > we asked him to call us with more details. The phone call was > through an > operator because the caller was deaf. We gave him a price and > he asked what type of > payment we accepted. He accepted the price and wants to pay > with a credit > card. A signature in his email has (UPPER CHURCH OF CHRIST) > Theme: GOD BLESS US. > This whole thing sounds like a scam. I thought I read an > email from the group > talking about a similar issue. Please give me your thoughts. > > Pat Pendergast > Kwik Kopy > Germantown, WI > > > ************** > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL > Money & Finance. > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Mon Mar 17 16:31:43 2008 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Mon Mar 17 16:32:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unemployment Qualifying? Message-ID: <003f01c88876$4cb6b560$042967d3@kp4> I documented an employee for a year. Tried to get her on the same philosophy as what I had for the company. We reviewed her jobs every 2 weeks. Finally I called her in and told her that I no longer needed her services. Escorted her out. She went straight to unemployment. Got 26+ weeks with the extension. It cost the company but better for all in the long run. Was taking down employee morale. And my patience! Good luck. Linda Baribeau Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. 2041 West Mill Road Glendale, WI 53209 Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 From gamble at choiceonemail.com Mon Mar 17 16:48:47 2008 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Mon Mar 17 16:48:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Church quote scam? In-Reply-To: <000701c88871$5a0a0ff0$0e1e2fd0$@com> References: <000701c88871$5a0a0ff0$0e1e2fd0$@com> Message-ID: <04a701c88878$ae090960$0301a8c0@RICK> Who do I make my Check Payable too? Elliott Spitzer Call Girl Fund? :) Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tom King Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 4:56 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Church quote scam? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** It's totally legitimate. He spends millions of dollars a year on printing worldwide. The buyer, though, is somewhat skeptical that some disreputable printer will try to rip him off, so he has asked that I act as his intermediary and requested that all interested printers should send me a 'good-faith' check of $100 to show they're legitimate printers and really serious about doing the job. Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Mon Mar 17 16:53:34 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Mon Mar 17 16:55:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Prayer Card Imprinting In-Reply-To: <47DEB504.1060909@mobile-print.com> References: <47DEB504.1060909@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: We used to do the cards for 2 funeral homes and we scanned the picture, went into the dark room for a pmt, pasted that up with the text, etc. Long time ago. One funeral home was sold and the new owner started doing color pictures on a color printer. We lost that work, and the 2nd homes work because now everyone wanted color and our color printer, at that time, couldn't do cardstock reliably. Anyway, the funeral homes can get any of their cards in 8 1/2 x 11 sheets. Just ask them to look into it, or get their vendor and you find out for them. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Russ Peters Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 1:14 PM To: PrintOwners Subject: [PrintOwners] Prayer Card Imprinting ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We're in the process of acquiring another printer & one of his nice niche's is imprinting prayer cards for funeral homes. These cards are about 2 3/8" x 4 1/8" and are provided by the funeral homes. They have rounded corners & gilded edges. The current printer is setting type on a Linotype and imprinting on a Windmill. The problem is that he's selling them for only $30 for 100. We've looked into running these on our Windmill with zinc cuts, but the time & cost just won't do. We can run them on an A B Dick, but the type & plate costs are too high. We'd love to print digitally, but don't have a device that will go thet small. Any ideas as to a digital device that will print this small? -- Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09420 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09420 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From PendyPtg at aol.com Mon Mar 17 16:55:26 2008 From: PendyPtg at aol.com (PendyPtg@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 17 16:55:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Church quote scam? Message-ID: Thanks everyone for your help! Pat Pendergast Kwik Kopy ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From jgross at techiowa.com Mon Mar 17 17:06:34 2008 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Mon Mar 17 17:06:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Church quote scam? In-Reply-To: <000701c88871$5a0a0ff0$0e1e2fd0$@com> Message-ID: <008901c8887b$2d9eb5b0$1e00000a@tech.local> Tom, do you have a credit card number I can credit that to? I'll get right on it. And on Blarney day as well. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc Iowa City, Iowa 52240 techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tom King Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:56 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Church quote scam? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** It's totally legitimate. He spends millions of dollars a year on printing worldwide. The buyer, though, is somewhat skeptical that some disreputable printer will try to rip him off, so he has asked that I act as his intermediary and requested that all interested printers should send me a 'good-faith' check of $100 to show they're legitimate printers and really serious about doing the job. Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Nancy at printingresources.com Mon Mar 17 18:09:35 2008 From: Nancy at printingresources.com (Nancy Dediemar) Date: Mon Mar 17 18:04:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] USPS Move Update requirements: was Mailing Software Issues In-Reply-To: <046b01c8885d$0f124210$0301a8c0@RICK> Message-ID: Rick, Effective November 23, 2008 the USPS is extending move update requirements to include standard mail as well as first class mail, and to move the time frame for completing an authorized move update method from 185 days to 95 days prior to mailing in order to qualify for automation compatible postage rates. The purpose of the change is to continue the USPS attack on the problem of mail that is undeliverable as addressed (UAA). In 2004 the USPS handled 9.7 billion pieces of UAA mail - about 4.7% of the entire mail volume -- at a cost of $1.979 billion. According to the USPS, standard mail accounted for nearly 63% of all UAA mail. The approved move update methods are: Address Change Service (ACS), National Change of Address Linkage System (NCOALink), FASTforward MLOCR (for letter mail only) or ancillary service endorsement (except "forwarding service requested"). Mail pieces addressed with any of the three alternative addressing formats (i.e., "John Doe or Current Resident', "Occupant", or "Postal Customer") are not subject to move update. Move update is a separate issue from postal coding and address standardization (i.e., CASS); all major software providers are also non-exclusive licensees of the USPS for providing NCOA services. Here is the link for BCC's offering: http://www.bccsoftware.com/prodserv/mus/ncoalink/ Also remember that an ancillary service endorsement is an acceptable method for move update. To meet the 95 day requirement, you will need to begin adding the endorsement to both first class and standard mailings no later than September 19. Failure to comply with move update requirements means your customer will give up the best postage rate, but can still mail. Nancy DeDiemar Printing Resources of Southern California 893 W 9th St, Upland, CA 91786 909/981-5715 phone 909/981-9396 FAX http://www.printingresources.com mailto:nancy@printingresources.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Rick Bird Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 10:31 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Software Issues ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** For those of you who are doing mailings out there I have a question(s). 1) My understanding is in August 2008 requirements will be as such that all lists First Class and Standard Mail will need to be NCOA encoded. 2) In the above how are your software companies planning to handle this regulation. I use MM2010 and have been very happy to a point but have heard a lot about accu zip as being a more friendly and cost effective product if you use this how are they handling the NCOA issue? 3) What kind of charges are you seeing for this service I know this may have been addressed and I apologize up front for re asking just I am not getting very far with BCC and to be honest kind of unhappy with the attitude I just received over the phone when I asked the questions. Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Purvine Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 1:39 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Prayer Card Imprinting ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Russ, we print things that small on our HP 1200 printer. We do blank and white envelopes on there also if it is a small order. The colored images we do with our Epson C88+. I just bought some bulk ink from Canada, but haven't had time to set it up yet. Right now, we are using refilled cartridges here locally on trade. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Fax: 316-854-0321 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Russ Peters Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 1:14 PM To: PrintOwners Subject: [PrintOwners] Prayer Card Imprinting ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We're in the process of acquiring another printer & one of his nice niche's is imprinting prayer cards for funeral homes. These cards are about 2 3/8" x 4 1/8" and are provided by the funeral homes. They have rounded corners & gilded edges. The current printer is setting type on a Linotype and imprinting on a Windmill. The problem is that he's selling them for only $30 for 100. We've looked into running these on our Windmill with zinc cuts, but the time & cost just won't do. We can run them on an A B Dick, but the type & plate costs are too high. We'd love to print digitally, but don't have a device that will go thet small. Any ideas as to a digital device that will print this small? -- Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2953 (20080317) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From k_graham at hotmail.com Mon Mar 17 22:05:36 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Mon Mar 17 22:05:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Church quote scam? References: Message-ID: Scam but who was it here that scammed the scammers by providing the numbers to a credit card company. I think may 2 or 3 by saying the first was turned down.. What about getting a call back number for the police etc. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com Dawson Creek BC Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernard Bahn" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 1:19 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Church quote scam? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Scam. > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc > 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 > > Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | > bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com > > http://www.creativeimaginginc.com > Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of PendyPtg@aol.com > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 2:54 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Church quote scam? > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > To the group: > > If this has been brought up in the past, please forgive me. We recently > had > an unsolicited email asking for a quote on 100,000 4/0 flyers from a > gentleman > from South Carolina (we are in Wisconsin). In order to get more > information, > we asked him to call us with more details. The phone call was through an > operator because the caller was deaf. We gave him a price and he asked > what > type of > payment we accepted. He accepted the price and wants to pay with a credit > card. A signature in his email has (UPPER CHURCH OF CHRIST) Theme: GOD > BLESS > US. > This whole thing sounds like a scam. I thought I read an email from the > group > talking about a similar issue. Please give me your thoughts. > > Pat Pendergast > Kwik Kopy > Germantown, WI > > > ************** > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL > Money & Finance. > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1331 - Release Date: 3/16/2008 > 10:34 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From joe at calagaz.com Tue Mar 18 06:46:36 2008 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Tue Mar 18 06:50:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Mac Message-ID: I am considering buy a MAC. I have not had one in years (7 or 8) and I am dealing with some customers that can not properly make pdfs (can not remember to include bleeds, does not understand spot color vs CMYK, etc etc etc.....) and instead of winning the battle and loosing the war I am considering adding one.(I would rather be easy to do business with instead of difficult) I would appreciate any recommendation/advice on models and configuration. Joe Calagaz Calagaz Digital Printing joe@calagaz.com www.calagazprinting.com 251-478-0487 From hal at pickimp.com Tue Mar 18 09:13:19 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Tue Mar 18 08:37:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Church quote scam? References: <000701c88871$5a0a0ff0$0e1e2fd0$@com> Message-ID: <006b01c88902$3a7d76e0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> We offer the same service for only $88.64 Hal Wendt IMP Printing & Graphics Design Southgate, Michigan USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom King To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:56 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Church quote scam? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** It's totally legitimate. He spends millions of dollars a year on printing worldwide. The buyer, though, is somewhat skeptical that some disreputable printer will try to rip him off, so he has asked that I act as his intermediary and requested that all interested printers should send me a 'good-faith' check of $100 to show they're legitimate printers and really serious about doing the job. Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Tue Mar 18 09:00:10 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Tue Mar 18 09:00:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Mac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is definitely a "you get what you pay for" situation. I'd just recommend a basic Imac, with a little added memory. Should handle everything you need. On 3/18/08 7:46 AM, "Joe Calagaz" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am considering buy a MAC. > > I have not had one in years (7 or 8) and I am dealing with some customers that > can not properly make pdfs (can not remember to include bleeds, does not > understand spot color vs CMYK, etc etc etc.....) and instead of winning the > battle and loosing the war I am considering adding one.(I would rather be easy > to do business with instead of difficult) > > I would appreciate any recommendation/advice on models and configuration. > > > Joe Calagaz > Calagaz Digital Printing > joe@calagaz.com > www.calagazprinting.com > 251-478-0487 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From peter at keystonepress.com Tue Mar 18 07:56:43 2008 From: peter at keystonepress.com (Peter Church) Date: Tue Mar 18 09:01:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000 Digital printing presses? Message-ID: <000e01c888f7$852e1ab0$7d01a8c0@key.local> I am looking at getting into digital printing and I am down to three candidates; The HP Indigo, the Xerox I-Gen and the Canon C7000. The Indigo has high quality, but high click price (9 cents for a 4/0 12 x 18) and requires a real "press" operator who can change blankets and all those mechanical things press operators do. The Indigo uses a liquid toner technology. The I-Gen has fairly low quality when compared to offset, has a reasonable click charge, is a real production workhorse capable of 1,000,000 clicks a month, and is the most expensive to buy. The I-Gen uses toner and fuser oil technology. The Canon C7000 has high quality, can be run by a prepress person, is the least costly, and the click charges are reasonable.The Canon uses wax toner technology. I am leaning toward the Canon because the quality is high and the cost is fairly low. We are a $2 million offset shop that currently does not do any digital printing. We want to be more competitive on smaller runs of color work and we want to get into variable data especially addressing postcards. Any thoughts? Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Mar 18 09:18:21 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Mar 18 09:19:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000 Digital printing presses? In-Reply-To: <000e01c888f7$852e1ab0$7d01a8c0@key.local> References: <000e01c888f7$852e1ab0$7d01a8c0@key.local> Message-ID: <200803181419.m2IEJUw1098871@i2bnetworks.com> I think all three of those choices are high horsepower machines for very high volumes. Since you are "looking" at getting into the digital side and are currently an all offset environment, a lower cost entry point might be a better business decision, like a KM 6500 to get your feet wet, get your internal systems and workflow ironed out and then when the business begins to exceed the capacity of your first engine, then you can step up to a more powerful solution. Unless you have been outsourcing and already have a robust digital business established, I would walk first, get you legs, and then run like heck. Considering the current economic situation we all find ourselves in, I would opt for a lower risk (financial) entry point. Just my opinion. S. At 05:56 AM 3/18/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I am looking at getting into digital printing and I am down to three >candidates; The HP Indigo, the Xerox I-Gen and the Canon C7000. > >The Indigo has high quality, but high click price (9 cents for a 4/0 12 x >18) and requires a real "press" operator who can change blankets and all >those mechanical things press operators do. The Indigo uses a liquid toner >technology. > >The I-Gen has fairly low quality when compared to offset, has a reasonable >click charge, is a real production workhorse capable of 1,000,000 clicks a >month, and is the most expensive to buy. The I-Gen uses toner and fuser oil >technology. > >The Canon C7000 has high quality, can be run by a prepress person, is the >least costly, and the click charges are reasonable.The Canon uses wax toner >technology. > >I am leaning toward the Canon because the quality is high and the cost is >fairly low. > >We are a $2 million offset shop that currently does not do any digital >printing. We want to be more competitive on smaller runs of color work and >we want to get into variable data especially addressing postcards. > >Any thoughts? > > >Peter Church >Keystone Press, LLC >9 Old Falls Road >Manchester, NH 03103 >phone: 603-622-5222 >fax: 603-622-9432 > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2956 (20080318) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From scott at usacolor.com Tue Mar 18 09:19:44 2008 From: scott at usacolor.com (scott) Date: Tue Mar 18 09:20:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000 Digital printing presses? In-Reply-To: <000e01c888f7$852e1ab0$7d01a8c0@key.local> References: <000e01c888f7$852e1ab0$7d01a8c0@key.local> Message-ID: <47DFCF80.2060500@usacolor.com> We are still reviewing all 3 and are leaning towards the Canon also. The clicks were quoted at .049 Scott Balsiger, President USA Color Printing Inc. www.usacolor.com 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN 56601 800-759-9126 218-759-9126 218-759-2883(fax) 218-556-5505(cell) Peter Church wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I am looking at getting into digital printing and I am down to three >candidates; The HP Indigo, the Xerox I-Gen and the Canon C7000. > >The Indigo has high quality, but high click price (9 cents for a 4/0 12 x >18) and requires a real "press" operator who can change blankets and all >those mechanical things press operators do. The Indigo uses a liquid toner >technology. > >The I-Gen has fairly low quality when compared to offset, has a reasonable >click charge, is a real production workhorse capable of 1,000,000 clicks a >month, and is the most expensive to buy. The I-Gen uses toner and fuser oil >technology. > >The Canon C7000 has high quality, can be run by a prepress person, is the >least costly, and the click charges are reasonable.The Canon uses wax toner >technology. > >I am leaning toward the Canon because the quality is high and the cost is >fairly low. > >We are a $2 million offset shop that currently does not do any digital >printing. We want to be more competitive on smaller runs of color work and >we want to get into variable data especially addressing postcards. > >Any thoughts? > > >Peter Church >Keystone Press, LLC >9 Old Falls Road >Manchester, NH 03103 >phone: 603-622-5222 >fax: 603-622-9432 > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Tue Mar 18 09:31:56 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Tue Mar 18 09:31:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Mac In-Reply-To: <20080318140104.60EEAE8174D@rb.enter.net> References: <20080318140104.60EEAE8174D@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <4b846aefc07f087d084321b3f72795f2@sheergraphics.com> > I am considering buy a MAC. As a total Mac fan - Congratulations! We have 4 or so PCs (some are dedicated RIPs) and the remainder are Macs. It's a bit like buying a car, if you want to drive it and navigate quickly - buy a BMW (without the iDrive single knob accessory control though!); if you want to search for your misplaced possessions and take it in for frequent repairs, buy a Land Rover. > I have not had one in years (7 or 8) and I am dealing with some > customers that can not properly make pdfs (can not remember to include > bleeds, does not understand spot color vs CMYK, etc etc etc.....) and > instead of winning the battle and loosing the war I am considering > adding one.(I would rather be easy to do business with instead of > difficult) Your customers' inability to create printable files will NOT be solved by purchasing a Mac. The graphic application programs are no different. As Chuck Pappas has commented, you can partition, or not, the iMac and boot in OSX or Vista. > I would appreciate any recommendation/advice on models and > configuration. If you're adding just one Mac as an introduction, I'd think of an iMac 24" with maximum RAM. BUT, new models on the way, so don't buy immediately. Here are some helpful Mac OS websites http://www.macrumors.com/ *** This 'Buyer's Guide' tab will give you new product anticipated dates http://www.macosxhints.com/ *** useful help site http://www.davidpogue.com/ *** buy his book 'The Missing Manual - Leopard edition http://www.walt.allthingsd.com/guide/ Wall Street Journal columnist - very helpful http://www.usingmac.com/ http://www.realmacsoftware.com/ http://macLeopard.org/ http://blog.guykawasaki.com/2007/10/top-ten-leopard.html Another guru Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From craig at newhavenprint.com Tue Mar 18 09:41:02 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Tue Mar 18 09:37:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000Digital printing presses? In-Reply-To: <200803181419.m2IEJUw1098871@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20080318143718.01EF8E81919@rb.enter.net> > I think all three of those choices are high horsepower > machines for very high volumes. > S. Totally agree with Scott on this one. Jumping into an iGen or other production equipment even from a pretty solid digital background isn't easy. I'd absolutely recommend buying something smaller to start. As far as your opinions of the three machines, it sounds like a Canon salesperson has been working you. Quality wise, I've seen really nice work from all three. The iGen can produce beautiful, consistent color - and LOTS of it. What you'll find as you grow your volume is that the original purchase price is just a fraction of your total operating costs. Our monthly click charges on our iGen are normally 2 to 3 times the loan payment. But that's a good thing . . . I think. It would be a great month if they were 10 times the loan payment. We had a pretty decent volume running on our Xerox 2060 before we made the jump. Plus we had a lot of potential opportunity and customer needs. I'm a big believer in "Buy it and they will come", but this might be pushing it. If you think the 6500 is not heavy duty enough for your requirements, maybe check into a Xerox 5000. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From jacemeister at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 09:45:03 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Tue Mar 18 09:45:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unemployment Qualifying? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Robin, As others have pointed out things are different from state to state. In Louisiana if an employee resigns without adequate explanation they are not eligible for unemployment. When I have to fire one I usually give them a choice. If they give me a written resignation I will usually give them a week or two of severence pay. Most will take advantage of the opportunity to resign because it looks better on their resume. It's a win-win because my rates don't get hiked. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have an employee that talked with me about 2 months ago (I have our > conversation documented and dated in her employment file) to tell me > she was not happy working here and planned to stay until May which > would be her one year anniversary to see if anything would change. > After a lengthy discussion where I told her the pace, deadlines and > staff -- all of which were problematic for her -- would not change in > the next couple of months. She agreed this was not the job for her. > End of discussion she agreed that she should begin to look for another > job and I would look for her replacement. IF I found first, I would > keep her on for "a while" and use her however I could until she found > employment. Well, she really isn't looking and I'm getting ready to > replace her so this morning I told her I could only use her another > two weeks. She was shocked and thought she could just stay here as > long as she needed. Now, can she collect unemployment? > Robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Mar 18 10:35:02 2008 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Mar 18 10:34:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000 Digital printing presses? In-Reply-To: <200803181419.m2IEJUw1098871@i2bnetworks.com> References: <000e01c888f7$852e1ab0$7d01a8c0@key.local> <200803181419.m2IEJUw1098871@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <060101c8890d$a2239440$e66abcc0$@biz> Scott's advice is sound. You might also look at the Xerox 5000, which isn't an I-Gen, but is several steps above the KM6500 and the Xerox 242/252/262 series. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:18 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000 Digital printing presses? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I think all three of those choices are high horsepower machines for very high volumes. Since you are "looking" at getting into the digital side and are currently an all offset environment, a lower cost entry point might be a better business decision, like a KM 6500 to get your feet wet, get your internal systems and workflow ironed out and then when the business begins to exceed the capacity of your first engine, then you can step up to a more powerful solution. Unless you have been outsourcing and already have a robust digital business established, I would walk first, get you legs, and then run like heck. Considering the current economic situation we all find ourselves in, I would opt for a lower risk (financial) entry point. Just my opinion. S. At 05:56 AM 3/18/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I am looking at getting into digital printing and I am down to three >candidates; The HP Indigo, the Xerox I-Gen and the Canon C7000. > >The Indigo has high quality, but high click price (9 cents for a 4/0 12 x >18) and requires a real "press" operator who can change blankets and all >those mechanical things press operators do. The Indigo uses a liquid toner >technology. > >The I-Gen has fairly low quality when compared to offset, has a reasonable >click charge, is a real production workhorse capable of 1,000,000 clicks a >month, and is the most expensive to buy. The I-Gen uses toner and fuser oil >technology. > >The Canon C7000 has high quality, can be run by a prepress person, is the >least costly, and the click charges are reasonable.The Canon uses wax toner >technology. > >I am leaning toward the Canon because the quality is high and the cost is >fairly low. > >We are a $2 million offset shop that currently does not do any digital >printing. We want to be more competitive on smaller runs of color work and >we want to get into variable data especially addressing postcards. > >Any thoughts? > > >Peter Church >Keystone Press, LLC >9 Old Falls Road >Manchester, NH 03103 >phone: 603-622-5222 >fax: 603-622-9432 > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2956 (20080318) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Mar 18 10:45:51 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Mar 18 10:47:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000 Digital printing presses? In-Reply-To: <060101c8890d$a2239440$e66abcc0$@biz> References: <000e01c888f7$852e1ab0$7d01a8c0@key.local> <200803181419.m2IEJUw1098871@i2bnetworks.com> <060101c8890d$a2239440$e66abcc0$@biz> Message-ID: <200803181547.m2IFl06H017210@i2bnetworks.com> John might have some astute observations to share regarding the Xerox 5000/7000/8000 vs. the KM 6500 that he observed at OnDemand... Oracle? S. At 08:35 AM 3/18/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Scott's advice is sound. > >You might also look at the Xerox 5000, which isn't an I-Gen, but is several >steps above the KM6500 and the Xerox 242/252/262 series. > >Dan >Sir Speedy Printing Center >5845 Hollywood Boulevard >Hollywood, FL 33021 >tel. 954.962.1309 >fax 954.962.1366 >dan@myprinter.biz >www.myprinter.biz > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel >Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:18 AM >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000 Digital >printing presses? > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >I think all three of those choices are high horsepower machines for >very high volumes. > >Since you are "looking" at getting into the digital side and are >currently an all offset environment, a lower cost entry point might >be a better business decision, like a KM 6500 to get your feet wet, >get your internal systems and workflow ironed out and then when the >business begins to exceed the capacity of your first engine, then you >can step up to a more powerful solution. > >Unless you have been outsourcing and already have a robust digital >business established, I would walk first, get you legs, and then run like >heck. > >Considering the current economic situation we all find ourselves in, >I would opt for a lower risk (financial) entry point. > >Just my opinion. > >S. > > > >At 05:56 AM 3/18/2008, you wrote: > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >I am looking at getting into digital printing and I am down to three > >candidates; The HP Indigo, the Xerox I-Gen and the Canon C7000. > > > >The Indigo has high quality, but high click price (9 cents for a 4/0 12 x > >18) and requires a real "press" operator who can change blankets and all > >those mechanical things press operators do. The Indigo uses a liquid toner > >technology. > > > >The I-Gen has fairly low quality when compared to offset, has a reasonable > >click charge, is a real production workhorse capable of 1,000,000 clicks a > >month, and is the most expensive to buy. The I-Gen uses toner and fuser oil > >technology. > > > >The Canon C7000 has high quality, can be run by a prepress person, is the > >least costly, and the click charges are reasonable.The Canon uses wax toner > >technology. > > > >I am leaning toward the Canon because the quality is high and the cost is > >fairly low. > > > >We are a $2 million offset shop that currently does not do any digital > >printing. We want to be more competitive on smaller runs of color work and > >we want to get into variable data especially addressing postcards. > > > >Any thoughts? > > > > > >Peter Church > >Keystone Press, LLC > >9 Old Falls Road > >Manchester, NH 03103 > >phone: 603-622-5222 > >fax: 603-622-9432 > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >__________ NOD32 2956 (20080318) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.eset.com > >_____________________________________________ > >Scott Cappel > >Sorrento Mesa Printing >7398 Trade Street >San Diego, CA 92121-2422 >858-527-0800 >858-527-1740 FAX >http://www.sorrentomesa.com > >LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > >Direct Links for Learning: >http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html >http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html >http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > >Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider >Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider >Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level >Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > >Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2956 (20080318) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Tue Mar 18 10:54:35 2008 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King) Date: Tue Mar 18 10:55:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000 Digital printing presses? In-Reply-To: <060101c8890d$a2239440$e66abcc0$@biz> References: <000e01c888f7$852e1ab0$7d01a8c0@key.local> <200803181419.m2IEJUw1098871@i2bnetworks.com> <060101c8890d$a2239440$e66abcc0$@biz> Message-ID: <002701c88910$5d163e40$1742bac0$@com> You might also look at the Xerox 5000, which isn't an I-Gen, but is several steps above the KM6500 and the Xerox 242/252/262 series. ------------------------------------------------------- I Agree. We'll soon be replacing our Xerox DocuColor 2045 with a Xerox 5000. Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From kevin at proprinters.ca Tue Mar 18 10:56:25 2008 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin at PRO Printers) Date: Tue Mar 18 10:56:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000 Digitalprinting presses? References: <000e01c888f7$852e1ab0$7d01a8c0@key.local><200803181419.m2IEJUw1098871@i2bnetworks.com> <060101c8890d$a2239440$e66abcc0$@biz> Message-ID: <007101c88910$9f0535e0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> Generally, what volume does one need to make a Xerox 5000 a legitimate option? Xerox has tried to sell us one, but we thought it was out of our league. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ***** > > Scott's advice is sound. > > You might also look at the Xerox 5000, which isn't an I-Gen, but is > several > steps above the KM6500 and the Xerox 242/252/262 series. > > Dan > Sir Speedy Printing Center > From greg at pressexpress.org Tue Mar 18 10:58:52 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Tue Mar 18 10:59:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] EEOC RANT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Many, many government agencies find the target of attack "guilty, until proven innocent". One of my employees owned a house. He was not married but shared a daughter with this female. She and their daughter lived in his house. The relationship was estranged. She called social services on him claiming he abused their daughter, and her as well. She also got a restraining order against him. The police showed up, arrested him based on her word only, evicted him from his own house. Since this was the primary residence of his daughter, his now ex girlfriend got to stay in the house with his daughter while it took 20 days to get in front of a judge to settle the matter. Thrown out of his own house. Guilty until proven innocent. Another instance was over child support. He complied and was up to date with his payments. The greedy female wanted more. Lied to social services claiming she was not paid. Social Services put a lien on his car. Took 6 months of frustration to get the lien removed. Again, guilty until proven innocent. There are many more stories I could share. Too many to list. This poor man was put thru the legal ringer. It sucked. Greg On Mar 17, 2008, at 2:09 PM, Ron Taggart wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I just spent the better part of yesterday responding to a ridiculous > Equal > Opportunity Commission complaint from a low life we fired. Totally > without > any basis in reality, four of my people signed statements countering > what he > claims. He didn't have to present one shred of evidence to get EEOC > on my > back, I had to counter with copious documentation. He also made a > complaint > to National Labor Relations Board but withdrew it, I think because > they have > a penalty for anyone making false statements. EEOC does not. > > I asked them if they have a process for barring people who abuse their > system, and they do not. > > Our government at work. > > > > Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that > appear below > should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any > manner a > statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the > general > edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. > > If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if > you > really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis > > People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset > Maugham > > The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego > ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering > with the > pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell > > > > > Ron Taggart, President > PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. > 4246 Hudson Drive > Stow, Ohio 44224 > 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 > www.printingconcepts.com > ron@printingconcepts.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Tue Mar 18 11:19:42 2008 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King) Date: Tue Mar 18 11:20:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000 Digitalprinting presses? In-Reply-To: <007101c88910$9f0535e0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> References: <000e01c888f7$852e1ab0$7d01a8c0@key.local> <200803181419.m2IEJUw1098871@i2bnetworks.com> <060101c8890d$a2239440$e66abcc0$@biz> <007101c88910$9f0535e0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <000801c88913$dfb84ac0$9f28e040$@com> Generally, what volume does one need to make a Xerox 5000 a legitimate option? Xerox has tried to sell us one, but we thought it was out of our league. ------------------------------ A quick but dumb answer: Build it and they will come. Ie. you'll quickly be putting lots of jobs on it. We do about 30,000 'clicks' a month on our 2045 (two up on 11 x 17 as much as we can). We're going to the 5000 to reduce the click charge from about .09 to about .04. Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From kellycrom at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 11:22:30 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Tue Mar 18 11:22:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Anyone have one of those new CanonC7000 Digitalprinting presses? In-Reply-To: <007101c88910$9f0535e0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> References: <000e01c888f7$852e1ab0$7d01a8c0@key.local><200803181419.m2IEJUw1098871@i2bnetworks.com><060101c8890d$a2239440$e66abcc0$@biz> <007101c88910$9f0535e0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <034d01c88914$455eefa0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> What is your volume now? Where can or do you want to be? Back when we moved from a Doc 12 to a Canon 4000, the volume on our Doc 12 was about 8-10,000/month. In the first month we had our CLC 4000, we did over 20,000. Did we go out and sell more? No. We just were able to take in more work from existing customers. When we had the Doc 12, there were many times that a customer would call and ask if we could get a few hundred copies out by the end of the day. If we already had jobs running, we most likely couldn't handle the extra volume for the day. Moving up to a higher volume machine will increase your daily capacity(more work out in the same amount of time). Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kevin > at PRO Printers > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:56 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Anyone have one of those new > CanonC7000 Digitalprinting presses? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Generally, what volume does one need to make a Xerox 5000 a > legitimate > option? Xerox has tried to sell us one, but we thought it was > out of our > league. > > Kevin Kerr > Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. > 1900 Merivale Rd. > Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 > Tel 613-727-9444 > Fax 613-727-1945 > kevin@proprinters.ca > www.proprinters.ca > > ***** > > > > Scott's advice is sound. > > > > You might also look at the Xerox 5000, which isn't an I-Gen, but is > > several > > steps above the KM6500 and the Xerox 242/252/262 series. > > > > Dan > > Sir Speedy Printing Center > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Tue Mar 18 11:23:26 2008 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Tue Mar 18 11:23:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] EEOC RANT References: Message-ID: <001d01c88914$66082460$042967d3@kp4> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Weinfurter" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] EEOC RANT > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Many, many government agencies find the target of attack "guilty, > until proven innocent". > > One of my employees owned a house. He was not married but shared a > daughter with this female. She and their daughter lived in his > house. The relationship was estranged. She called social services on > him claiming he abused their daughter, and her as well. She also got > a restraining order against him. > > The police showed up, arrested him based on her word only, evicted him > from his own house. Since this was the primary residence of his > daughter, his now ex girlfriend got to stay in the house with his > daughter while it took 20 days to get in front of a judge to settle > the matter. > > Thrown out of his own house. Guilty until proven innocent. > > Another instance was over child support. He complied and was up to > date with his payments. The greedy female wanted more. Lied to > social services claiming she was not paid. Social Services put a lien > on his car. Took 6 months of frustration to get the lien removed. > > Again, guilty until proven innocent. > > There are many more stories I could share. Too many to list. This > poor man was put thru the legal ringer. It sucked. > > Greg > > > > > On Mar 17, 2008, at 2:09 PM, Ron Taggart wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > I just spent the better part of yesterday responding to a ridiculous > > Equal > > Opportunity Commission complaint from a low life we fired. Totally > > without > > any basis in reality, four of my people signed statements countering > > what he > > claims. He didn't have to present one shred of evidence to get EEOC > > on my > > back, I had to counter with copious documentation. He also made a > > complaint > > to National Labor Relations Board but withdrew it, I think because > > they have > > a penalty for anyone making false statements. EEOC does not. > > > > I asked them if they have a process for barring people who abuse their > > system, and they do not. > > > > Our government at work. > > > > > > > > Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that > > appear below > > should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any > > manner a > > statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the > > general > > edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. > > > > If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if > > you > > really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis > > > > People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset > > Maugham > > > > The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego > > ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering > > with the > > pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell > > > > > > > > > > Ron Taggart, President > > PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. > > 4246 Hudson Drive > > Stow, Ohio 44224 > > 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 > > www.printingconcepts.com > > ron@printingconcepts.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > > believed to be clean. > > > > > Press Express > 1869 N. Stevens St. > Rhinelander, WI 54501 > Phone 715-362-2828 > Fax 715-369-2828 > info@pressexpress.org > > Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider > Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From brianoday at eprint.us Tue Mar 18 12:13:22 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Tue Mar 18 12:15:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000Digital printing presses? In-Reply-To: <200803181419.m2IEJUw1098871@i2bnetworks.com> References: <000e01c888f7$852e1ab0$7d01a8c0@key.local> <200803181419.m2IEJUw1098871@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <009401c8891b$5ef9f160$800101df@eprint.local> How many clicks a month can the Konica handle reliably? I was leaning toward the Canon however with a recession coming I may decide to be a little more conservative if the Konica can make me some money and keep my debt low. Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 7:18 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000Digital printing presses? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I think all three of those choices are high horsepower machines for very high volumes. Since you are "looking" at getting into the digital side and are currently an all offset environment, a lower cost entry point might be a better business decision, like a KM 6500 to get your feet wet, get your internal systems and workflow ironed out and then when the business begins to exceed the capacity of your first engine, then you can step up to a more powerful solution. Unless you have been outsourcing and already have a robust digital business established, I would walk first, get you legs, and then run like heck. Considering the current economic situation we all find ourselves in, I would opt for a lower risk (financial) entry point. Just my opinion. S. At 05:56 AM 3/18/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I am looking at getting into digital printing and I am down to three >candidates; The HP Indigo, the Xerox I-Gen and the Canon C7000. > >The Indigo has high quality, but high click price (9 cents for a 4/0 12 x >18) and requires a real "press" operator who can change blankets and all >those mechanical things press operators do. The Indigo uses a liquid toner >technology. > >The I-Gen has fairly low quality when compared to offset, has a reasonable >click charge, is a real production workhorse capable of 1,000,000 clicks a >month, and is the most expensive to buy. The I-Gen uses toner and fuser oil >technology. > >The Canon C7000 has high quality, can be run by a prepress person, is the >least costly, and the click charges are reasonable.The Canon uses wax toner >technology. > >I am leaning toward the Canon because the quality is high and the cost is >fairly low. > >We are a $2 million offset shop that currently does not do any digital >printing. We want to be more competitive on smaller runs of color work and >we want to get into variable data especially addressing postcards. > >Any thoughts? > > >Peter Church >Keystone Press, LLC >9 Old Falls Road >Manchester, NH 03103 >phone: 603-622-5222 >fax: 603-622-9432 > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2956 (20080318) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From brianoday at eprint.us Tue Mar 18 12:16:16 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Tue Mar 18 12:18:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009501c8891b$c694c520$800101df@eprint.local> If you go the Refurbished section or the Apple web site you can get some good deals there. We went with a 24" Imac and it is awesome. It was priced the same as a faster 17" and my operator hasn't noticed the slowness however everyone loves the monitor. Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 7:00 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] New Mac ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** This is definitely a "you get what you pay for" situation. I'd just recommend a basic Imac, with a little added memory. Should handle everything you need. On 3/18/08 7:46 AM, "Joe Calagaz" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am considering buy a MAC. > > I have not had one in years (7 or 8) and I am dealing with some customers that > can not properly make pdfs (can not remember to include bleeds, does not > understand spot color vs CMYK, etc etc etc.....) and instead of winning the > battle and loosing the war I am considering adding one.(I would rather be easy > to do business with instead of difficult) > > I would appreciate any recommendation/advice on models and configuration. > > > Joe Calagaz > Calagaz Digital Printing > joe@calagaz.com > www.calagazprinting.com > 251-478-0487 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Tue Mar 18 13:19:14 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Tue Mar 18 12:19:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000 Digital printing In-Reply-To: <20080318154708.3216CE81C20@rb.enter.net> References: <20080318154708.3216CE81C20@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <001701c88924$923cdf70$b6b69e50$@com> John might have some astute observations to share regarding the Xerox 5000/7000/8000 vs. the KM 6500 that he observed at OnDemand... Oracle?-S. LOL yes Scott I do, like most things. The canon box is the same as the Kodak nexpress M700. I like the Kodak Nexpress 5 frontend better than the canon EFI or Creo, Kodak owns creo but sill it and the EFI are latter versions of postscript than the Nepress front end major +. You want the Adobe Pdf eng based rip if you can find it. The Kodak M700 and Canon 7000vp is the same basic unit with the same engine but with different front ends. Canon claims they make new updates faster, Kodak says they have better color and newer rip (adobe pdf eng, canon is gen behind) The Kodak gets the nexpress 5 front end and the Canon you pick from I think 2, the Efi, Creo. They both start around $175,000. Canon has far more finisher options on theirs. Kodak has more user replaceable parts kits and claims lower cost of ownership and down time. The 7000vp now has sister unit the 6000vp and 6000. Same box as the 7000 just slowed down. The 6000vp is $25,000 less than the 7000. The plain 6000 is just under $100,000. The major difference is the 6000 slows down on cover stocks, the 2 others run at rated. Remember key is the VP in the name; VP means no slow down on any stock. The plain 6000 also clicks 2 times of 11x17 the other 2 do not. Kodak is not selling them. I looked at these units and was very impressed with the Canon. That said the hottest box was the KM6500 All the others seem to be in scramble to meet the price performance of the KM. Xerox has the 5000, 7000 and 8000 with an Igen. The 5000-8000 is based on the old 2060 and 6060 frames. Very good, but I think not as good as the Canon 7000. Xerox also has the 242-252-260. Now is here my personal view, take it as you may. Xerox is at the 3-4 year or longer date on this technology. I feel they are at the end of the product and will have newer boxes in the next year or so. They also do not compare well with the 6500 in price print quality. Even the 5000,7000,8000 do not beat the 6500 in print quality, at best it is draw. That said the Xerox's do not slow down on cover. They also cost far more both to buy and in click charges. I would buy Xerox still, if I did not have very good KM dealer. I just think the KM 6500 is a better buy at this time. Ricoh is out to lunch with w 75 cpm box that the color not great. Feeds limited cover stocks has a higher click rate and 2 clicks per 11x17. If you do letter only, on lighter stocks is the only reason to even look at this one. They will have new 90cpm that runs all stocks at rated speed and will be in the $100,000 range. This will set market on end if once click and has better color and service than Ricoh has before. My take was if your in the $40-70,000 range, the KM6500 or even KM5500 (same box slowed down) Canon at this time is not in this ball game range. Xerox is with the 242-260 and if service is great in your area a valid choice. $150-200,000 the Canon 7000 (I prefer the M700 with the Kodak rip) Kodak has lowered the cost per page on both the M700 and nexpress. Look at Kodak and make both price against each other. $300,000+ Igen or Nexpress. Kodak also has lowered the CPC and has a new click based plan and prints press like with a 5th color for coating. The Igen is well the Igen it is better than many of us print. I am leaning to getting a 6500 and adding a 2nd one as volume. Then I will move to igen or nexpress. I would never buy anyone of these for more than 3 years expect the Igen or Nexpress they you will get 5 years out of. The market is changing to fast. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1332 - Release Date: 3/17/2008 10:48 AM From char at themasterspress.com Tue Mar 18 12:32:01 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue Mar 18 12:29:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vinyl BC holders Message-ID: <008501c8891d$f9d26030$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Does anyone use the little vinyl BC holders with their names on it to put samples in with their name on it. Where do you get them. Carlson Craft has some, but they are expensive. Looked at samples at Nicky's folders and they are cheaply made. Looking for a source. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com From char at themasterspress.com Tue Mar 18 12:48:18 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue Mar 18 12:46:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000 Digitalprinting In-Reply-To: <001701c88924$923cdf70$b6b69e50$@com> References: <20080318154708.3216CE81C20@rb.enter.net> <001701c88924$923cdf70$b6b69e50$@com> Message-ID: <008d01c88920$4040b380$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Wow thank you John. What a wealth of information. Besides the typos very well said and reported. :-) Very helpful info. Have a Canon dealer trying to talk to me about the 6000 and was wondering what the deal was on that one. I think KM has hit a home run with the 6500 even if it is shorter than some, still a home run. Hard to beat for price and quality to get started. I need to make a decision myself in the next few months. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 1:19 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000 Digitalprinting Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** John might have some astute observations to share regarding the Xerox 5000/7000/8000 vs. the KM 6500 that he observed at OnDemand... Oracle?-S. LOL yes Scott I do, like most things. The canon box is the same as the Kodak nexpress M700. I like the Kodak Nexpress 5 frontend better than the canon EFI or Creo, Kodak owns creo but sill it and the EFI are latter versions of postscript than the Nepress front end major +. You want the Adobe Pdf eng based rip if you can find it. The Kodak M700 and Canon 7000vp is the same basic unit with the same engine but with different front ends. Canon claims they make new updates faster, Kodak says they have better color and newer rip (adobe pdf eng, canon is gen behind) The Kodak gets the nexpress 5 front end and the Canon you pick from I think 2, the Efi, Creo. They both start around $175,000. Canon has far more finisher options on theirs. Kodak has more user replaceable parts kits and claims lower cost of ownership and down time. The 7000vp now has sister unit the 6000vp and 6000. Same box as the 7000 just slowed down. The 6000vp is $25,000 less than the 7000. The plain 6000 is just under $100,000. The major difference is the 6000 slows down on cover stocks, the 2 others run at rated. Remember key is the VP in the name; VP means no slow down on any stock. The plain 6000 also clicks 2 times of 11x17 the other 2 do not. Kodak is not selling them. I looked at these units and was very impressed with the Canon. That said the hottest box was the KM6500 All the others seem to be in scramble to meet the price performance of the KM. Xerox has the 5000, 7000 and 8000 with an Igen. The 5000-8000 is based on the old 2060 and 6060 frames. Very good, but I think not as good as the Canon 7000. Xerox also has the 242-252-260. Now is here my personal view, take it as you may. Xerox is at the 3-4 year or longer date on this technology. I feel they are at the end of the product and will have newer boxes in the next year or so. They also do not compare well with the 6500 in price print quality. Even the 5000,7000,8000 do not beat the 6500 in print quality, at best it is draw. That said the Xerox's do not slow down on cover. They also cost far more both to buy and in click charges. I would buy Xerox still, if I did not have very good KM dealer. I just think the KM 6500 is a better buy at this time. Ricoh is out to lunch with w 75 cpm box that the color not great. Feeds limited cover stocks has a higher click rate and 2 clicks per 11x17. If you do letter only, on lighter stocks is the only reason to even look at this one. They will have new 90cpm that runs all stocks at rated speed and will be in the $100,000 range. This will set market on end if once click and has better color and service than Ricoh has before. My take was if your in the $40-70,000 range, the KM6500 or even KM5500 (same box slowed down) Canon at this time is not in this ball game range. Xerox is with the 242-260 and if service is great in your area a valid choice. $150-200,000 the Canon 7000 (I prefer the M700 with the Kodak rip) Kodak has lowered the cost per page on both the M700 and nexpress. Look at Kodak and make both price against each other. $300,000+ Igen or Nexpress. Kodak also has lowered the CPC and has a new click based plan and prints press like with a 5th color for coating. The Igen is well the Igen it is better than many of us print. I am leaning to getting a 6500 and adding a 2nd one as volume. Then I will move to igen or nexpress. I would never buy anyone of these for more than 3 years expect the Igen or Nexpress they you will get 5 years out of. The market is changing to fast. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1332 - Release Date: 3/17/2008 10:48 AM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2957 (20080318) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2957 (20080318) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2957 (20080318) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From betsy at copycatprintshop.net Tue Mar 18 13:47:16 2008 From: betsy at copycatprintshop.net (betsy@copycatprintshop.net) Date: Tue Mar 18 12:48:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vinyl BC holders In-Reply-To: <008501c8891d$f9d26030$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <008501c8891d$f9d26030$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <1098095586-1205862470-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1525039715-@bxe010.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> We purchased from National Pen Corp in TN. Without checking, I think we paid about .30 each. Patrick Milam is our rep. Betsy Kahn Copycat Print Shop, Inc Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless handheld -----Original Message----- From: "Charlene Sims" Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:32:01 To:"'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Subject: [PrintOwners] Vinyl BC holders ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does anyone use the little vinyl BC holders with their names on it to put samples in with their name on it. Where do you get them. Carlson Craft has some, but they are expensive. Looked at samples at Nicky's folders and they are cheaply made. Looking for a source. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From slb at inkspot.net Tue Mar 18 12:45:50 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Mar 18 12:48:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collections question, Pennsylvania In-Reply-To: <4b846aefc07f087d084321b3f72795f2@sheergraphics.com> References: <20080318140104.60EEAE8174D@rb.enter.net>, <4b846aefc07f087d084321b3f72795f2@sheergraphics.com> Message-ID: <47DFB97E.6015.145004CB@slb.inkspot.net> I've got two (probably former) customers who are candidates for small claims court ("District Court", in PA). I know I can represent myself, but I had an attorney caution me last week that representing my corporation, which is a separate entity, might constitute practicing law without a license. Does anyone know a definitive answer to this one? Can anyone point me to the "Rules of Procedure" for PA District Court on line (in which I should be able to find said definitive answer)? TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From char at themasterspress.com Tue Mar 18 13:02:13 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue Mar 18 13:00:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000Digitalprinting presses? In-Reply-To: <009401c8891b$5ef9f160$800101df@eprint.local> References: <000e01c888f7$852e1ab0$7d01a8c0@key.local><200803181419.m2IEJUw1098871@i2bnetworks.com> <009401c8891b$5ef9f160$800101df@eprint.local> Message-ID: <009d01c88922$318f56f0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Brian the RATED duty cycle is 300,000 a month max. If that helps. Don't know what is realistic. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brian O'Day Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:13 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000Digitalprinting presses? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** How many clicks a month can the Konica handle reliably? I was leaning toward the Canon however with a recession coming I may decide to be a little more conservative if the Konica can make me some money and keep my debt low. Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 7:18 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000Digital printing presses? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I think all three of those choices are high horsepower machines for very high volumes. Since you are "looking" at getting into the digital side and are currently an all offset environment, a lower cost entry point might be a better business decision, like a KM 6500 to get your feet wet, get your internal systems and workflow ironed out and then when the business begins to exceed the capacity of your first engine, then you can step up to a more powerful solution. Unless you have been outsourcing and already have a robust digital business established, I would walk first, get you legs, and then run like heck. Considering the current economic situation we all find ourselves in, I would opt for a lower risk (financial) entry point. Just my opinion. S. At 05:56 AM 3/18/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I am looking at getting into digital printing and I am down to three >candidates; The HP Indigo, the Xerox I-Gen and the Canon C7000. > >The Indigo has high quality, but high click price (9 cents for a 4/0 12 x >18) and requires a real "press" operator who can change blankets and all >those mechanical things press operators do. The Indigo uses a liquid toner >technology. > >The I-Gen has fairly low quality when compared to offset, has a reasonable >click charge, is a real production workhorse capable of 1,000,000 clicks a >month, and is the most expensive to buy. The I-Gen uses toner and fuser oil >technology. > >The Canon C7000 has high quality, can be run by a prepress person, is the >least costly, and the click charges are reasonable.The Canon uses wax toner >technology. > >I am leaning toward the Canon because the quality is high and the cost is >fairly low. > >We are a $2 million offset shop that currently does not do any digital >printing. We want to be more competitive on smaller runs of color work and >we want to get into variable data especially addressing postcards. > >Any thoughts? > > >Peter Church >Keystone Press, LLC >9 Old Falls Road >Manchester, NH 03103 >phone: 603-622-5222 >fax: 603-622-9432 > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2956 (20080318) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2957 (20080318) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2957 (20080318) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2957 (20080318) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From si at ria.net Tue Mar 18 13:00:04 2008 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Tue Mar 18 13:01:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collections question, Pennsylvania In-Reply-To: <47DFB97E.6015.145004CB@slb.inkspot.net> References: <20080318140104.60EEAE8174D@rb.enter.net> <4b846aefc07f087d084321b3f72795f2@sheergraphics.com> <47DFB97E.6015.145004CB@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <20080318110139.BEE25702@dm37.mta.everyone.net> At 01:45 PM 3/18/2008, Steve Blatman wrote: >I've got two (probably former) customers who are candidates for small >claims court ("District Court", in PA). I know I can represent >myself, but I had an attorney caution me last week that representing >my corporation, which is a separate entity, might constitute >practicing law without a license. Don't know about Pennsylvania, but in Ohio small claims courts an attorney must handle corporate claims. One workaround might be to have your corporation sell you, an individual, the receivables. Then you should be able to file your claims without hiring a lawyer. Doug Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From braddpotter at juno.com Tue Mar 18 13:02:06 2008 From: braddpotter at juno.com (Brad Potter) Date: Tue Mar 18 13:04:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Expressions Laminator ?? 40 or 42 inch Message-ID: <20080318.110206.27603.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> We are new to the oversize printer area. Indoor signage that sort of stuff. Have a Canon 8000 something, roll fed, 40 inch or something. Have an opportunty to pick up this laminator for about 4 grand. Hot shoe whatever that means. Does anyone have this beast? Brad Potter Your Printing Super Hero 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A Port Orchard, WA 98366 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax _____________________________________________________________ Free information on the best online trading options. Click here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mJ8VMSer2CLgQD0h2MfoBrZQLiXG4xCczwckm19U9IwX0yw/ From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Mar 18 13:05:44 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Mar 18 13:06:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000Digital printing presses? In-Reply-To: <009401c8891b$5ef9f160$800101df@eprint.local> References: <000e01c888f7$852e1ab0$7d01a8c0@key.local> <200803181419.m2IEJUw1098871@i2bnetworks.com> <009401c8891b$5ef9f160$800101df@eprint.local> Message-ID: <200803181806.m2II6sU1050383@i2bnetworks.com> Next week my 6500 will have been in service 6 months. As of an hour ago, we have 1,084,382 8.5x11 maintenance clicks (which is how they rate the duty cycle) which translates to almost 550,000 11x17 billable (to me) clicks. That averages out to about 90% of its rated duty cycle. Its a rock. Runs and runs and runs...Think I'll buy another soon. BTW my C500 has about 2 million on it now (2.5 years old)... You could buy 2 6500's for the price of the Canon.... Redundancy between 2 units... I can sell 6500 quality in my sleep.... Yeah, there's money to be made here.... S. At 10:13 AM 3/18/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >How many clicks a month can the Konica handle reliably? I was leaning toward >the Canon however with a recession coming I may decide to be a little more >conservative if the Konica can make me some money and keep my debt low. > >Brian O'Day >ePrint >9970 SW Greenburg Rd >Portland, Oregon >brianoday@eprint.us >503-684-2679 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel >Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 7:18 AM >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000Digital >printing presses? > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >I think all three of those choices are high horsepower machines for >very high volumes. > >Since you are "looking" at getting into the digital side and are >currently an all offset environment, a lower cost entry point might >be a better business decision, like a KM 6500 to get your feet wet, >get your internal systems and workflow ironed out and then when the >business begins to exceed the capacity of your first engine, then you >can step up to a more powerful solution. > >Unless you have been outsourcing and already have a robust digital >business established, I would walk first, get you legs, and then run like >heck. > >Considering the current economic situation we all find ourselves in, >I would opt for a lower risk (financial) entry point. > >Just my opinion. > >S. > > > >At 05:56 AM 3/18/2008, you wrote: > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >I am looking at getting into digital printing and I am down to three > >candidates; The HP Indigo, the Xerox I-Gen and the Canon C7000. > > > >The Indigo has high quality, but high click price (9 cents for a 4/0 12 x > >18) and requires a real "press" operator who can change blankets and all > >those mechanical things press operators do. The Indigo uses a liquid toner > >technology. > > > >The I-Gen has fairly low quality when compared to offset, has a reasonable > >click charge, is a real production workhorse capable of 1,000,000 clicks a > >month, and is the most expensive to buy. The I-Gen uses toner and fuser oil > >technology. > > > >The Canon C7000 has high quality, can be run by a prepress person, is the > >least costly, and the click charges are reasonable.The Canon uses wax toner > >technology. > > > >I am leaning toward the Canon because the quality is high and the cost is > >fairly low. > > > >We are a $2 million offset shop that currently does not do any digital > >printing. We want to be more competitive on smaller runs of color work and > >we want to get into variable data especially addressing postcards. > > > >Any thoughts? > > > > > >Peter Church > >Keystone Press, LLC > >9 Old Falls Road > >Manchester, NH 03103 > >phone: 603-622-5222 > >fax: 603-622-9432 > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >__________ NOD32 2956 (20080318) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.eset.com > >_____________________________________________ > >Scott Cappel > >Sorrento Mesa Printing >7398 Trade Street >San Diego, CA 92121-2422 >858-527-0800 >858-527-1740 FAX >http://www.sorrentomesa.com > >LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > >Direct Links for Learning: >http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html >http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html >http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > >Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider >Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider >Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level >Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > >Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2957 (20080318) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From dana at landmarkimpressions.com Tue Mar 18 13:10:12 2008 From: dana at landmarkimpressions.com (dana) Date: Tue Mar 18 13:07:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000Digitalprinting presses? In-Reply-To: <009401c8891b$5ef9f160$800101df@eprint.local> Message-ID: <605464C5107D4039B8DDC37930F9A931@LMI.lan> Brian, Have had the Konica over a year now. Until I slowed down this quarter we were averaging about 50,000 clicks (mostly 12x 18 coated) per month with no problems. We actually did 90,000 one month and 130,000 in another month. Dana Wilson LandMark Impressions 35 Industrial Parkway Woburn, MA 01801 www.landmarkimpressions.com Phone: 781-569-0297 Fax: 781-569-0419 Cell: 781-710-7609 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brian O'Day Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 1:13 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000Digitalprinting presses? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** How many clicks a month can the Konica handle reliably? I was leaning toward the Canon however with a recession coming I may decide to be a little more conservative if the Konica can make me some money and keep my debt low. Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 7:18 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000Digital printing presses? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I think all three of those choices are high horsepower machines for very high volumes. Since you are "looking" at getting into the digital side and are currently an all offset environment, a lower cost entry point might be a better business decision, like a KM 6500 to get your feet wet, get your internal systems and workflow ironed out and then when the business begins to exceed the capacity of your first engine, then you can step up to a more powerful solution. Unless you have been outsourcing and already have a robust digital business established, I would walk first, get you legs, and then run like heck. Considering the current economic situation we all find ourselves in, I would opt for a lower risk (financial) entry point. Just my opinion. S. At 05:56 AM 3/18/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I am looking at getting into digital printing and I am down to three >candidates; The HP Indigo, the Xerox I-Gen and the Canon C7000. > >The Indigo has high quality, but high click price (9 cents for a 4/0 12 x >18) and requires a real "press" operator who can change blankets and all >those mechanical things press operators do. The Indigo uses a liquid toner >technology. > >The I-Gen has fairly low quality when compared to offset, has a reasonable >click charge, is a real production workhorse capable of 1,000,000 clicks a >month, and is the most expensive to buy. The I-Gen uses toner and fuser oil >technology. > >The Canon C7000 has high quality, can be run by a prepress person, is the >least costly, and the click charges are reasonable.The Canon uses wax toner >technology. > >I am leaning toward the Canon because the quality is high and the cost is >fairly low. > >We are a $2 million offset shop that currently does not do any digital >printing. We want to be more competitive on smaller runs of color work and >we want to get into variable data especially addressing postcards. > >Any thoughts? > > >Peter Church >Keystone Press, LLC >9 Old Falls Road >Manchester, NH 03103 >phone: 603-622-5222 >fax: 603-622-9432 > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2956 (20080318) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Tue Mar 18 13:13:39 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Tue Mar 18 13:13:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Useful financial website In-Reply-To: <20080318154708.1A21EE81C1E@rb.enter.net> References: <20080318154708.1A21EE81C1E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: When working on the NAQP Operating Ratio Report, and checking some depreciation rates, I came across this site with a '2007 Tax pocket Guide': Also useful, poke around the site: Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Tue Mar 18 13:17:28 2008 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Tue Mar 18 13:17:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BCT overs/unders Message-ID: <000801c88924$546b5f50$042967d3@kp4> Please let me know your experience. I am currently trying to negotiate a credit with BCT. Ordered 500 Classic Laid envelopes/laser safe thermographic black ink. They delivered exactly 450. This was a reorder. My production manager thought the box looked a little empty and counted them. I phoned BCT and asked for a $7.90 credit. They said I was not entitled to it. They also told me if they went over I would not be billed for the overs. As I very rarely order envelopes I am not certain if I am not entitled to the credit. I get billed for overs from Folder Express and many others. Linda Linda Baribeau Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. 2041 West Mill Road Glendale, WI 53209 Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Tue Mar 18 13:23:11 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Tue Mar 18 13:23:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collections question, Pennsylvania In-Reply-To: <47DFB97E.6015.145004CB@slb.inkspot.net> References: <20080318140104.60EEAE8174D@rb.enter.net>, <4b846aefc07f087d084321b3f72795f2@sheergraphics.com> <47DFB97E.6015.145004CB@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <47E0088F.3050400@sugarloafprint.com> He's full of $hit Small claims court was set up so you don't need a lawyer. You don't even need to have a background in law to become a Magistrate for small claims court, you just need to be elected and pass a test. Call you local Magistrate Office and ask them this question. Steve Blatman wrote > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I've got two (probably former) customers who are candidates for small > claims court ("District Court", in PA). I know I can represent > myself, but I had an attorney caution me last week that representing > my corporation, which is a separate entity, might constitute > practicing law without a license. > > Does anyone know a definitive answer to this one? > > Can anyone point me to the "Rules of Procedure" for PA District Court > on line (in which I should be able to find said definitive answer)? > > TIA, > Steve > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From soneal at conestogadpi.com Tue Mar 18 13:27:47 2008 From: soneal at conestogadpi.com (Shawn O'Neal) Date: Tue Mar 18 13:27:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Anyone have one of those new CanonC7000 Digitalprinting In-Reply-To: <008d01c88920$4040b380$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <016501c88925$c420d360$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> Great information everyone! We just went over 2 million on our CLC-3900+ and are eying up this new Canon C6000VP model. From samples I have seen the KM 6500 is on par by my eye to our CLC so the C6000VP would be a boost in production and quality for us. Shawn O'Neal Conestoga dpi 246 N Lincoln Ave Lebanon, PA 17046 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 1:48 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Re: Anyone have one of those new CanonC7000 Digitalprinting ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Wow thank you John. What a wealth of information. Besides the typos very well said and reported. :-) Very helpful info. Have a Canon dealer trying to talk to me about the 6000 and was wondering what the deal was on that one. I think KM has hit a home run with the 6500 even if it is shorter than some, still a home run. Hard to beat for price and quality to get started. I need to make a decision myself in the next few months. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 1:19 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000 Digitalprinting Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** John might have some astute observations to share regarding the Xerox 5000/7000/8000 vs. the KM 6500 that he observed at OnDemand... Oracle?-S. LOL yes Scott I do, like most things. The canon box is the same as the Kodak nexpress M700. I like the Kodak Nexpress 5 frontend better than the canon EFI or Creo, Kodak owns creo but sill it and the EFI are latter versions of postscript than the Nepress front end major +. You want the Adobe Pdf eng based rip if you can find it. The Kodak M700 and Canon 7000vp is the same basic unit with the same engine but with different front ends. Canon claims they make new updates faster, Kodak says they have better color and newer rip (adobe pdf eng, canon is gen behind) The Kodak gets the nexpress 5 front end and the Canon you pick from I think 2, the Efi, Creo. They both start around $175,000. Canon has far more finisher options on theirs. Kodak has more user replaceable parts kits and claims lower cost of ownership and down time. The 7000vp now has sister unit the 6000vp and 6000. Same box as the 7000 just slowed down. The 6000vp is $25,000 less than the 7000. The plain 6000 is just under $100,000. The major difference is the 6000 slows down on cover stocks, the 2 others run at rated. Remember key is the VP in the name; VP means no slow down on any stock. The plain 6000 also clicks 2 times of 11x17 the other 2 do not. Kodak is not selling them. I looked at these units and was very impressed with the Canon. That said the hottest box was the KM6500 All the others seem to be in scramble to meet the price performance of the KM. Xerox has the 5000, 7000 and 8000 with an Igen. The 5000-8000 is based on the old 2060 and 6060 frames. Very good, but I think not as good as the Canon 7000. Xerox also has the 242-252-260. Now is here my personal view, take it as you may. Xerox is at the 3-4 year or longer date on this technology. I feel they are at the end of the product and will have newer boxes in the next year or so. They also do not compare well with the 6500 in price print quality. Even the 5000,7000,8000 do not beat the 6500 in print quality, at best it is draw. That said the Xerox's do not slow down on cover. They also cost far more both to buy and in click charges. I would buy Xerox still, if I did not have very good KM dealer. I just think the KM 6500 is a better buy at this time. Ricoh is out to lunch with w 75 cpm box that the color not great. Feeds limited cover stocks has a higher click rate and 2 clicks per 11x17. If you do letter only, on lighter stocks is the only reason to even look at this one. They will have new 90cpm that runs all stocks at rated speed and will be in the $100,000 range. This will set market on end if once click and has better color and service than Ricoh has before. My take was if your in the $40-70,000 range, the KM6500 or even KM5500 (same box slowed down) Canon at this time is not in this ball game range. Xerox is with the 242-260 and if service is great in your area a valid choice. $150-200,000 the Canon 7000 (I prefer the M700 with the Kodak rip) Kodak has lowered the cost per page on both the M700 and nexpress. Look at Kodak and make both price against each other. $300,000+ Igen or Nexpress. Kodak also has lowered the CPC and has a new click based plan and prints press like with a 5th color for coating. The Igen is well the Igen it is better than many of us print. I am leaning to getting a 6500 and adding a 2nd one as volume. Then I will move to igen or nexpress. I would never buy anyone of these for more than 3 years expect the Igen or Nexpress they you will get 5 years out of. The market is changing to fast. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1332 - Release Date: 3/17/2008 10:48 AM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2957 (20080318) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2957 (20080318) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2957 (20080318) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From craig at newhavenprint.com Tue Mar 18 13:35:06 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Tue Mar 18 13:30:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000 Digitalprinting In-Reply-To: <001701c88924$923cdf70$b6b69e50$@com> Message-ID: <20080318183047.C507EE82637@rb.enter.net> Good info John, One nice feature of the iGen - which I'm not sure anyone else does, is to include service upgrades. Xerox updates the iGen several times a year if you're under service. This includes any new parts they use in their current machines as well as software upgrades for the rips and controllers. So in essence, a two or three year old machine is identical to a currently selling model. This doesn't apply to print engine speed increases or RIP equipment upgrades however. I think in five years, our iGen will still be very usable. Another factor is whether you can program black and white vs. color jobs. With the iGen (again not sure of the others), we can tell the machine which pages of a document are color and which are not. And get billed appropriate clicks based on that. This can be a HUGE time saver. We do a lot of books and manuals which contain mixed pages. Also, the iGen works well as a black and white machine. Xerox has the B&W clicks down in the .006 range (higher than the .004 of our Canon's, but still decent). When we had the Xerox 2060, running black and white killed the developer. I guess the older machines keep dumping all the different colored toners into the developer housing whether you were using them or not. That's part of why a lot of color machines charge in the .015 and higher range for black and white. They don't want you to use the machine for that. The 6500 does seem like a good machine. You could make a lot of money with that machine before needing a heavier production unit. Again, service availability is key. www.printplanet.com has a lot of forums on digital printing and has many entries on these machines. Worth a look. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com > I am leaning to getting a 6500 and adding a 2nd one as > volume. Then I will move to igen or nexpress. I would never > buy anyone of these for more than 3 years expect the Igen or > Nexpress they you will get 5 years out of. The market is > changing to fast. > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company From craig at newhavenprint.com Tue Mar 18 13:35:06 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Tue Mar 18 13:30:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000 Digitalprinting In-Reply-To: <001701c88924$923cdf70$b6b69e50$@com> Message-ID: <20080318183047.D38D6E82638@rb.enter.net> Good info John, One nice feature of the iGen - which I'm not sure anyone else does, is to include service upgrades. Xerox updates the iGen several times a year if you're under service. This includes any new parts they use in their current machines as well as software upgrades for the rips and controllers. So in essence, a two or three year old machine is identical to a currently selling model. This doesn't apply to print engine speed increases or RIP equipment upgrades however. I think in five years, our iGen will still be very usable. Another factor is whether you can program black and white vs. color jobs. With the iGen (again not sure of the others), we can tell the machine which pages of a document are color and which are not. And get billed appropriate clicks based on that. This can be a HUGE time saver. We do a lot of books and manuals which contain mixed pages. Also, the iGen works well as a black and white machine. Xerox has the B&W clicks down in the .006 range (higher than the .004 of our Canon's, but still decent). When we had the Xerox 2060, running black and white killed the developer. I guess the older machines keep dumping all the different colored toners into the developer housing whether you were using them or not. That's part of why a lot of color machines charge in the .015 and higher range for black and white. They don't want you to use the machine for that. The 6500 does seem like a good machine. You could make a lot of money with that machine before needing a heavier production unit. Again, service availability is key. www.printplanet.com has a lot of forums on digital printing and has many entries on these machines. Worth a look. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com > I am leaning to getting a 6500 and adding a 2nd one as > volume. Then I will move to igen or nexpress. I would never > buy anyone of these for more than 3 years expect the Igen or > Nexpress they you will get 5 years out of. The market is > changing to fast. > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company From carisa at holmesprinting.com Tue Mar 18 13:31:55 2008 From: carisa at holmesprinting.com (Carisa Holmes-Peters) Date: Tue Mar 18 13:32:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BCT overs/unders In-Reply-To: <20080318182325.88495E825D6@rb.enter.net> References: <20080318182325.88495E825D6@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <41EFCF06-B1C2-4E4A-BA65-A1BA3FBA6236@holmesprinting.com> Linda, I worked with a BCT in Ohio for over 15 years until they went independent, I would have to say they would have given me the credit without any problem. I have some vendors that very clearly state the over/under policy...if this BCT does not, then I would not accept paying full price. Good Luck, Carisa Carisa Holmes-Peters HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street ? Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 ? Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com ? http://www.holmesprinting.com/ On Mar 18, 2008, at 2:23 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:17:28 -0500 > From: "Linda Baribeau" > Subject: [PrintOwners] BCT overs/unders > To: > Message-ID: <000801c88924$546b5f50$042967d3@kp4> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Please let me know your experience. I am currently trying to > negotiate a credit with BCT. Ordered 500 Classic Laid envelopes/ > laser safe thermographic black ink. They delivered exactly 450. > This was a reorder. My production manager thought the box looked a > little empty and counted them. I phoned BCT and asked for a $7.90 > credit. They said I was not entitled to it. They also told me if > they went over I would not be billed for the overs. As I very > rarely order envelopes I am not certain if I am not entitled to the > credit. I get billed for overs from Folder Express and many others. > > Linda > > > Linda Baribeau > Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. > 2041 West Mill Road > Glendale, WI 53209 > Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 From Minmandon at aol.com Tue Mar 18 13:32:44 2008 From: Minmandon at aol.com (Minmandon@aol.com) Date: Tue Mar 18 13:33:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BCT overs/unders Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/2008 1:18:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lbaribeau@paragon-print.com writes: Ordered 500 Classic Laid envelopes/laser safe thermographic black ink. They delivered exactly 450. Linda, These envelopes come in boxes of 500. Do you think that there would ever be overs???? I don't have time to fight over $7.90. For this, I would make an exception. I would deduct the $7.90 from my next bill & let BCT fight me for the money. I would be careful to charge the customer for only 450 envelopes. They might catch the light box & decide to count. This happened to me years ago with catalog envelopes. A big customer threw a fit because he was shorted about 70 envelopes. I had to do another 500 envelopes to appease him. Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield 954 421-9904 **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From ncgill at gillprintandgraphics.com Tue Mar 18 13:48:06 2008 From: ncgill at gillprintandgraphics.com (ncgill@gillprintandgraphics.com) Date: Tue Mar 18 13:40:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Business Card cases Message-ID: <376801c88928$9b7125c0$6309a8c0@MINIME> Charlene, We have used Lees Company for years. Good quality and not real expensive. 500 w/gold foil $177.00. That's what I paid last year. www.Leesweb.com or e-mail info@leesweb.com. Tell them I sent you Nancy Gill GillPrint and Graphics 2310 Park Place Drive Gretna, Louisiana 70056 (504) 392-9600 From bob at gallagherprint.com Tue Mar 18 13:40:31 2008 From: bob at gallagherprint.com (Bob Gallagher) Date: Tue Mar 18 13:40:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collections question, Pennsylvania In-Reply-To: <47DFB97E.6015.145004CB@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: On 3/18/08 1:45 PM, "Steve Blatman" wrote: We went after several before the District Justice here in Pennsylvania. Our attorney told us to start there. The office staff was very helpful in getting the proper paperwork done. Two didn't show up for the hearing and we won by default. Served papers including the filing fee and both paid. One showed for his hearing and lied like a rug! The Justice ruled in our favor for $2,300.00 dollars. He owed $4,600.00. Ticked me off, but it was better than nothing. The idiot decided to appeal to a higher court. That meant we could go after everything again. Brought my lawyer in on that one. Had a hearing before a panel of three lawyers and they ruled in our favor for the original sum plus 1-1/2% interest a month going back to last April. If he decides to appeal it will cost him an additional $500.00 in court costs plus whatever he's spent with his attorney. He has five days left. We printed four color brochures for him using his files provided on a CD. He okayed the proof and we nailed the color. He then decided he didn't like the color and that we should redo it. Wrong! He's a fine upstanding Christian businessman. I will take great delight in walking into his house two weeks from now with the sheriff and tagging items for sale! May even bring a few three year olds with me! Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 http://www.gallagherprint.com An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network From dennis.trump at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 13:43:56 2008 From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump) Date: Tue Mar 18 13:44:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Anyone have one of those new CanonC7000 Digitalprinting In-Reply-To: <016501c88925$c420d360$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> References: <008d01c88920$4040b380$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <016501c88925$c420d360$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> Message-ID: <41aa6a080803181143n6ada1a1bm2237dc7b267e612e@mail.gmail.com> > Great information everyone! We just went over 2 million on our CLC-3900+ and > are eying up this new Canon C6000VP model. From samples I have seen the KM > 6500 is on par by my eye to our CLC so the C6000VP would be a boost in > production and quality for us. Goodness gracious how did you ever coax 2 million out of the CLC-3900? I have the exact same machine and it is down more than it is up. Just looked at output from it this morning and as long as you don't mind a long black streak through the copy the quality is excellent. John, that's a load of information in digest form. Thanks for sharing your reasearch with the group! -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 From slb at inkspot.net Tue Mar 18 13:34:09 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Mar 18 13:44:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BCT overs/unders In-Reply-To: <000801c88924$546b5f50$042967d3@kp4> References: <000801c88924$546b5f50$042967d3@kp4> Message-ID: <47DFC4D1.18399.147C42BB@slb.inkspot.net> Linda, BCT is a franchise, so you're dealing with one idiot owner, rather than a universal policy. That said, we had very few issues with our local BCT for years, and those were handled professionally and reasonably. Then the franchise was sold, and then it was sold again. The last owner (on who's watch it went out of business) drove us away (to the local BCE (Business Card Express) franchise) by handling a customer-serivice issue in a manner similar to your recent experience. (That issue had nothing to do with short delivery, though.) We've stayed mostly with the BCE franchise, because the BCT who bought out our former vendor has both customer service (minor) and production quality (significant) issues. It might be worth your while to look for alternatives to your local BCT. HTH, Steve > > Please let me know your experience. I am currently trying to negotiate > a credit with BCT. Ordered 500 Classic Laid envelopes/laser safe > thermographic black ink. They delivered exactly 450. This was a > reorder. My production manager thought the box looked a little empty > and counted them. I phoned BCT and asked for a $7.90 credit. They said > I was not entitled to it. They also told me if they went over I would > not be billed for the overs. As I very rarely order envelopes I am not > certain if I am not entitled to the credit. I get billed for overs > from Folder Express and many others. > > Linda > > > Linda Baribeau > Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. > 2041 West Mill Road > Glendale, WI 53209 > Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 >Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From slb at inkspot.net Tue Mar 18 13:44:19 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Mar 18 13:45:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collections question, Pennsylvania In-Reply-To: References: <47DFB97E.6015.145004CB@slb.inkspot.net>, Message-ID: <47DFC733.28334.14859001@slb.inkspot.net> One of my cases is a restaurant. I'm looking forward to their reaction to a "till tap." Steve > > On 3/18/08 1:45 PM, "Steve Blatman" wrote: > > We went after several before the District Justice here in Pennsylvania. Our > attorney told us to start there. The office staff was very helpful in > getting the proper paperwork done. Two didn't show up for the hearing and we > won by default. Served papers including the filing fee and both paid. > > One showed for his hearing and lied like a rug! The Justice ruled in our > favor for $2,300.00 dollars. He owed $4,600.00. Ticked me off, but it was > better than nothing. The idiot decided to appeal to a higher court. That > meant we could go after everything again. Brought my lawyer in on that one. > Had a hearing before a panel of three lawyers and they ruled in our favor > for the original sum plus 1-1/2% interest a month going back to last April. > > If he decides to appeal it will cost him an additional $500.00 in court > costs plus whatever he's spent with his attorney. He has five days left. > > We printed four color brochures for him using his files provided on a CD. He > okayed the proof and we nailed the color. He then decided he didn't like the > color and that we should redo it. Wrong! > > He's a fine upstanding Christian businessman. I will take great delight in > walking into his house two weeks from now with the sheriff and tagging items > for sale! May even bring a few three year olds with me! > > > Bob Gallagher > Gallagher Printing, Inc. > 601 W. Main Street > Palmyra, PA 17078 > 717-838-1527 > 1-888-838-1527 > Fax 717-838-5715 > > http://www.gallagherprint.com > > An Adobe Service Provider > A Microsoft Publisher Provider > Member, Adobe Solutions Network > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2957 (20080318) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Tue Mar 18 13:53:18 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Tue Mar 18 13:53:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collections question, Pennsylvania In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47E00F9E.8010500@sugarloafprint.com> Bob Gallagher wrote: > I will take great delight in > walking into his house two weeks from now with the sheriff and tagging items > for sale! May even bring a few three year olds with me! > I like to make sure they tag his car, nothing like driving around letting everyone know you are a deadbeat. -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 18 14:00:23 2008 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Tue Mar 18 13:59:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BCT overs/unders References: <000801c88924$546b5f50$042967d3@kp4> Message-ID: <011601c8892a$52ce6970$0301a8c0@Leah> There may be something in their "Terms and Conditions" as to what constitutes a full delivery. Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Baribeau" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] BCT overs/unders ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Please let me know your experience. I am currently trying to negotiate a credit with BCT. Ordered 500 Classic Laid envelopes/laser safe thermographic black ink. They delivered exactly 450. This was a reorder. My production manager thought the box looked a little empty and counted them. I phoned BCT and asked for a $7.90 credit. They said I was not entitled to it. They also told me if they went over I would not be billed for the overs. As I very rarely order envelopes I am not certain if I am not entitled to the credit. I get billed for overs from Folder Express and many others. Linda Linda Baribeau Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. 2041 West Mill Road Glendale, WI 53209 Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM From brianoday at eprint.us Tue Mar 18 13:56:13 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Tue Mar 18 13:59:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Expressions Laminator ?? 40 or 42 inch In-Reply-To: <20080318.110206.27603.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080318.110206.27603.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <00a801c88929$bd424340$800101df@eprint.local> I am no expert but was warned to stay away from a hot shoe laminator. You can't use the really thin film, and the shoe scratches the film. I was able to pick up a 42" seal with heated rollers just recently for $4500. Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brad Potter Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 11:02 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Expressions Laminator ?? 40 or 42 inch ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are new to the oversize printer area. Indoor signage that sort of stuff. Have a Canon 8000 something, roll fed, 40 inch or something. Have an opportunty to pick up this laminator for about 4 grand. Hot shoe whatever that means. Does anyone have this beast? Brad Potter Your Printing Super Hero 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A Port Orchard, WA 98366 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax _____________________________________________________________ Free information on the best online trading options. Click here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mJ8VMSer2CLgQD0h2MfoBrZQL iXG4xCczwckm19U9IwX0yw/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Tue Mar 18 15:02:47 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Tue Mar 18 14:02:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Igen/Nexpress vs smaller boxes Message-ID: <002101c88933$09d41310$1d7c3930$@com> I want to expand on what Craig said. Kodak and Xerox put major effort in your success with the nexpress and Igen. They have development teams and training that comes with each sale. They both have sales development team's work with you and help sell to new markets. Web portals and many other things you do not get with the smaller boxes. All that is in the price you pay. They speed up, add new enhancements and YES even LOWER clicks as time goes on. This is part of why when you buy one of the big boy toys you can plan on 5 years and not having a dog on your hands after 3. I just wanted you to know when you buy a 6500 or Xerox 242-260 you do not get all this. Rips are improved and lots of things happen that you can upgrade and keep current with on theses big "digital presses". The others are pretty much thrown away every 3 years. All development stops other than patches once they hit the street. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1332 - Release Date: 3/17/2008 10:48 AM From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Tue Mar 18 14:06:05 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Tue Mar 18 14:05:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BCT overs/unders In-Reply-To: <20080318182325.6BFB3E825D4@rb.enter.net> References: <20080318182325.6BFB3E825D4@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <500562da701243992a65c193e5d3d05f@sheergraphics.com> We have the same experience. 500 of 10pt CC1S, raised ink business cards ordered, 444 delivered. The excuse is 'they don't fit into the box with that thick stock'. Duh? Doesn't raised ink increase the thickness? Why supply a fancily preprinted BCT business card box that won't contain 500 raised ink cards? We just asked, and were given, reprints at no charge. > Please let me know your experience. I am currently trying to negotiate > a credit with BCT. Ordered 500 Classic Laid envelopes/laser safe > thermographic black ink. They delivered exactly 450. This was a > reorder. My production manager thought the box looked a little empty > and counted them. I phoned BCT and asked for a $7.90 credit. They said > I was not entitled to it. They also told me if they went over I would > not be billed for the overs. As I very rarely order envelopes I am not > certain if I am not entitled to the credit. I get billed for overs > from Folder Express and many others. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From greg at pressexpress.org Tue Mar 18 14:10:58 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Tue Mar 18 14:11:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Expressions Laminator ?? 40 or 42 inch In-Reply-To: <00a801c88929$bd424340$800101df@eprint.local> References: <20080318.110206.27603.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> <00a801c88929$bd424340$800101df@eprint.local> Message-ID: <61C567E4-C1AF-420F-8658-41209EE770EF@pressexpress.org> I have a hot shoe laminator 42 inch and just love it. Yes you sometimes get fine scratches on the film, but for $1,200 bucks, I didn't go wrong. Greg On Mar 18, 2008, at 1:56 PM, Brian O'Day wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am no expert but was warned to stay away from a hot shoe > laminator. You > can't use the really thin film, and the shoe scratches the film. I > was able > to pick up a 42" seal with heated rollers just recently for $4500. > > Brian O'Day > ePrint > 9970 SW Greenburg Rd > Portland, Oregon > brianoday@eprint.us > 503-684-2679 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brad Potter > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 11:02 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Expressions Laminator ?? 40 or 42 inch > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are new to the oversize printer area. Indoor signage that sort > of stuff. > Have a Canon 8000 something, roll fed, 40 inch or something. > > Have an opportunty to pick up this laminator for about 4 grand. Hot > shoe > whatever that means. Does anyone have this beast? > > > > Brad Potter > Your Printing Super Hero > 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A > Port Orchard, WA 98366 > 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax > _____________________________________________________________ > Free information on the best online trading options. Click here! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mJ8VMSer2CLgQD0h2MfoBrZQL > iXG4xCczwckm19U9IwX0yw/ > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From joe at calagaz.com Tue Mar 18 14:13:09 2008 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Tue Mar 18 14:13:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Igen/Nexpress vs smaller boxes Message-ID: Can you expand a little on the other services (ie what is real world and what is pie in the sky) (the web portal is of interest, if that is included) I am about to decide between the 8000 and the 7000 and now that I am almost positive that the Canon 7000 is the "right" choice Xerox has thrown an iGen in the mix (not with pricing attached yet) I think that Xerox has realized that the canon is a threat and may be getting a little hungry / worried....I guess I will see..... Joe Calagaz Calagaz Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 3:03 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Igen/Nexpress vs smaller boxes Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I want to expand on what Craig said. Kodak and Xerox put major effort in your success with the nexpress and Igen. They have development teams and training that comes with each sale. They both have sales development team's work with you and help sell to new markets. Web portals and many other things you do not get with the smaller boxes. All that is in the price you pay. They speed up, add new enhancements and YES even LOWER clicks as time goes on. This is part of why when you buy one of the big boy toys you can plan on 5 years and not having a dog on your hands after 3. I just wanted you to know when you buy a 6500 or Xerox 242-260 you do not get all this. Rips are improved and lots of things happen that you can upgrade and keep current with on theses big "digital presses". The others are pretty much thrown away every 3 years. All development stops other than patches once they hit the street. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1332 - Release Date: 3/17/2008 10:48 AM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dominick at fmtc.com Tue Mar 18 14:21:44 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Tue Mar 18 14:21:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Anyone have one of those new CanonC7000 Digitalprinting In-Reply-To: <016501c88925$c420d360$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> References: <016501c88925$c420d360$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> Message-ID: <47E01648.6020206@fmtc.com> If you do a lot off the glass copies, check the KM6500 for quality. Did not come close to the CLC quality. Lots of good information, but remember every shop needs something that fits them. Because of service the KM6500 failed 60% of our tests. The Canon C1 failed 80% of the tests. The Xerox 252 met 90% of the tests. We have had it 3 months now. It runs everything we can put thru it. So for our shop, this is the best fit. I know the Canon and Kodak discussed are a few levels higher than the C1, and I have never seen these. Will be interesting to listen more and hear what they can do. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! Shawn O'Neal wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Great information everyone! We just went over 2 million on our CLC-3900+ and > are eying up this new Canon C6000VP model. From samples I have seen the KM > 6500 is on par by my eye to our CLC so the C6000VP would be a boost in > production and quality for us. > > Shawn O'Neal > Conestoga dpi > 246 N Lincoln Ave > Lebanon, PA 17046 > > > > From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Mar 18 14:23:17 2008 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Mar 18 14:23:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper curl on Xerox 2xx and KM6500s In-Reply-To: <47e00c54.24f8720a.4e53.3bcfSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <41aa6a080803170809w1860e9e7mab9d8a0345902deb@mail.gmail.com> <47e00c54.24f8720a.4e53.3bcfSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <008b01c8892d$8543dd10$8fcb9730$@biz> We're got a Xerox 242 here on a trial and, at times, are experiencing what can only be described as an impressive amount of paper curl. Have any of the rest of you experienced anything similar with Xerox 2xx copiers, and, if so, what have you done to mitigate it? Also, what's the paper curl situation for any of you with KM6500s? Thanks. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz From craig at newhavenprint.com Tue Mar 18 14:32:33 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Tue Mar 18 14:28:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Igen/Nexpress vs smaller boxes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080318192855.F2ACCE82B8F@rb.enter.net> Thanks for adding that John. Yes, Xerox does a wonderful job in helping you promote the machine. Whether it's supplying sample materials for your customers, training for your salespeople, TONS of promotional and vertical market information, more marketing materials and ideas than you could ever use, plus the Premier Partners program. We've send three sets of customers for two day training sessions in Rochester, NY at their Gil Hatch center. These are totally paid for by Xerox (flights, hotels, food, everything). Tomorrow, I have our two salespeople going to a seminar there on selling digital printing. Again completely paid for by Xerox. These workshops are wonderful. All our customers have came back extremely enthused about the iGen and are designing more and more for it. Like I mentioned earlier, Xerox makes most of their money on service clicks, rather than the equipment purchase. Their concept of making me more successful in order to make them more successful makes total sense to me. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Joe Calagaz > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 3:13 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Igen/Nexpress vs smaller boxes > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Can you expand a little on the other services (ie what is > real world and what is pie in the sky) (the web portal is of > interest, if that is > included) > > I am about to decide between the 8000 and the 7000 and now > that I am almost positive that the Canon 7000 is the "right" > choice Xerox has thrown an iGen in the mix (not with pricing > attached yet) > > I think that Xerox has realized that the canon is a threat > and may be getting a little hungry / worried....I guess I > will see..... > > > > Joe Calagaz > Calagaz Printing > Mobile, AL 36606 > 251-478-0487 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 3:03 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Igen/Nexpress vs smaller boxes > Importance: High > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I want to expand on what Craig said. Kodak and Xerox put > major effort in your success with the nexpress and Igen. They > have development teams and training that comes with each > sale. They both have sales development team's work with you > and help sell to new markets. Web portals and many other > things you do not get with the smaller boxes. All that is in > the price you pay. > > They speed up, add new enhancements and YES even LOWER clicks > as time goes on. This is part of why when you buy one of the > big boy toys you can plan on > 5 years and not having a dog on your hands after 3. > > I just wanted you to know when you buy a 6500 or Xerox > 242-260 you do not get all this. Rips are improved and lots > of things happen that you can upgrade and keep current with > on theses big "digital presses". The others are pretty much > thrown away every 3 years. All development stops other than > patches once they hit the street. > > > > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > 125-129 East First Street > Oswego, New York 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 Fax > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1332 - Release Date: > 3/17/2008 > 10:48 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From bherion at bucksdigital.com Tue Mar 18 14:36:48 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Tue Mar 18 14:37:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: BCT overs/unders In-Reply-To: <20080318182325.88495E825D6@rb.enter.net> References: <20080318182325.88495E825D6@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080318152552.032cff40@bucksdigital.com> At 02:23 PM 3/18/2008, you wrote: >I phoned BCT and asked for a $7.90 credit. They said I was not >entitled to it. If you read their pricing pdf ( I only have access to the retail side of the house), there is a footer that states "Quantities are + or - 10%", so indeed you pay the same price for (in your case) 450 or 550 pieces. Personally, I think that is a lousy policy and given you are exactly 50 short, I tend to believe this is a purposeful business practice of theirs. If this outfit were ever in my neighborhood, they wouldn't last a week before every printer spread the word and they either changed their mind or changed their career! Outrageously bad business. Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From dominick at fmtc.com Tue Mar 18 14:42:26 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Tue Mar 18 14:42:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Expressions Laminator ?? 40 or 42 inch In-Reply-To: <20080318.110206.27603.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080318.110206.27603.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <47E01B22.4040404@fmtc.com> Brad, We have the USI CRL 40. A 40 inch laminator. Has variable speed and heat. We run everything thru it, including our digital prints. Have had it 3 years now. Excellent machine. It does have "heat shoes", but have never had "scratches". Takes 20 minutes to fully heat up. USI list price new, for dealers is $2899. We use OptiClear film, 3 mil, $52 per roll for 250 ft, we also stock 5 mil. (1-800-282-9290). Sell price is 35 cents per lineal inch for 3 mil. 50 cents for 5 mil. By the way Brad, ordered the Canon iPF 8000s 44 inch digital color wide format yesterday. Thanks for the information. Should be a good fit for our company. The HP ran 14 full color, full bleed prints today, and the last one out may be the "last print out".... We think it is dead... (Hey Robin, it had a great life!). Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! Brad Potter wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are new to the oversize printer area. Indoor signage that sort of stuff. Have a Canon 8000 something, roll fed, 40 inch or something. > > Have an opportunty to pick up this laminator for about 4 grand. Hot shoe whatever that means. Does anyone have this beast? > > > > Brad Potter > Your Printing Super Hero > 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A > Port Orchard, WA 98366 > 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax > _____________________________________________________________ > Free information on the best online trading options. Click here! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mJ8VMSer2CLgQD0h2MfoBrZQLiXG4xCczwckm19U9IwX0yw/ > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Mar 18 14:49:10 2008 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Mar 18 14:49:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Anyone have one of those new CanonC7000 Digitalprinting In-Reply-To: <47E01648.6020206@fmtc.com> References: <016501c88925$c420d360$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> <47E01648.6020206@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <00aa01c88931$2305bac0$69113040$@biz> Joe - What's your paper curl situation with the 252? Thanks. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dominick's Printing Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 3:22 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Anyone have one of those new CanonC7000 Digitalprinting ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** If you do a lot off the glass copies, check the KM6500 for quality. Did not come close to the CLC quality. Lots of good information, but remember every shop needs something that fits them. Because of service the KM6500 failed 60% of our tests. The Canon C1 failed 80% of the tests. The Xerox 252 met 90% of the tests. We have had it 3 months now. It runs everything we can put thru it. So for our shop, this is the best fit. I know the Canon and Kodak discussed are a few levels higher than the C1, and I have never seen these. Will be interesting to listen more and hear what they can do. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! Shawn O'Neal wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Great information everyone! We just went over 2 million on our CLC-3900+ and > are eying up this new Canon C6000VP model. From samples I have seen the KM > 6500 is on par by my eye to our CLC so the C6000VP would be a boost in > production and quality for us. > > Shawn O'Neal > Conestoga dpi > 246 N Lincoln Ave > Lebanon, PA 17046 > > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bob at rjmprinting.com Tue Mar 18 14:50:34 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Tue Mar 18 14:51:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Igen/Nexpress vs smaller boxes In-Reply-To: <20080318192855.F2ACCE82B8F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: IGEN/Nexpress owners So I guess the questions I would have are, if you don't mind sharing, what is your average sell price and what is your breakeven on the IGEN/Nexpress. We currently run the doors off a KM500 which supplements our 4 color GTO. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Craig Dellinger Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 2:33 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Igen/Nexpress vs smaller boxes ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thanks for adding that John. Yes, Xerox does a wonderful job in helping you promote the machine. Whether it's supplying sample materials for your customers, training for your salespeople, TONS of promotional and vertical market information, more marketing materials and ideas than you could ever use, plus the Premier Partners program. We've send three sets of customers for two day training sessions in Rochester, NY at their Gil Hatch center. These are totally paid for by Xerox (flights, hotels, food, everything). Tomorrow, I have our two salespeople going to a seminar there on selling digital printing. Again completely paid for by Xerox. These workshops are wonderful. All our customers have came back extremely enthused about the iGen and are designing more and more for it. Like I mentioned earlier, Xerox makes most of their money on service clicks, rather than the equipment purchase. Their concept of making me more successful in order to make them more successful makes total sense to me. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Joe Calagaz > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 3:13 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Igen/Nexpress vs smaller boxes > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Can you expand a little on the other services (ie what is > real world and what is pie in the sky) (the web portal is of > interest, if that is > included) > > I am about to decide between the 8000 and the 7000 and now > that I am almost positive that the Canon 7000 is the "right" > choice Xerox has thrown an iGen in the mix (not with pricing > attached yet) > > I think that Xerox has realized that the canon is a threat > and may be getting a little hungry / worried....I guess I > will see..... > > > > Joe Calagaz > Calagaz Printing > Mobile, AL 36606 > 251-478-0487 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 3:03 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Igen/Nexpress vs smaller boxes > Importance: High > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I want to expand on what Craig said. Kodak and Xerox put > major effort in your success with the nexpress and Igen. They > have development teams and training that comes with each > sale. They both have sales development team's work with you > and help sell to new markets. Web portals and many other > things you do not get with the smaller boxes. All that is in > the price you pay. > > They speed up, add new enhancements and YES even LOWER clicks > as time goes on. This is part of why when you buy one of the > big boy toys you can plan on > 5 years and not having a dog on your hands after 3. > > I just wanted you to know when you buy a 6500 or Xerox > 242-260 you do not get all this. Rips are improved and lots > of things happen that you can upgrade and keep current with > on theses big "digital presses". The others are pretty much > thrown away every 3 years. All development stops other than > patches once they hit the street. > > > > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > 125-129 East First Street > Oswego, New York 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 Fax > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1332 - Release Date: > 3/17/2008 > 10:48 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Tue Mar 18 15:52:51 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Tue Mar 18 14:53:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Igen/Nexpress vs smaller boxes (Joe Calagaz) In-Reply-To: <20080318194252.17C28E82C7B@rb.enter.net> References: <20080318194252.17C28E82C7B@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <003701c8893a$0833cc60$189b6520$@com> Joe it is hard for to tell you all as I am still in the research stage. I would say if you like the 7000 make sure you to talk and take the Kodak VIP tour on the m700, (same box) they will go over all this with you. Well worth the free trip to Rochester. They have whole nexpress team at your bidding, you do not get from canon. The webportal is part of the workflow and some parts cost more as additional items. You need to think workflow and what you want to do and automate. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1332 - Release Date: 3/17/2008 10:48 AM From gamble at choiceonemail.com Tue Mar 18 14:57:57 2008 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Tue Mar 18 14:58:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] BCT overs/unders In-Reply-To: <011601c8892a$52ce6970$0301a8c0@Leah> References: <000801c88924$546b5f50$042967d3@kp4> <011601c8892a$52ce6970$0301a8c0@Leah> Message-ID: <000f01c88932$5cfb43c0$0301a8c0@RICK> Used to deal with BCT and they always stood behind a plus or minus 10% figure. I too find that the boxes of envelopes I open from my envelope supplier a lot of times are plus or minus 5 envelopes per box of 500 and was told if you order 100/m they would guarantee you would get 100/m but not guarantee box to box. Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Havens Printing and Copy Shop Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 3:00 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] BCT overs/unders ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** There may be something in their "Terms and Conditions" as to what constitutes a full delivery. Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Baribeau" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] BCT overs/unders ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Please let me know your experience. I am currently trying to negotiate a credit with BCT. Ordered 500 Classic Laid envelopes/laser safe thermographic black ink. They delivered exactly 450. This was a reorder. My production manager thought the box looked a little empty and counted them. I phoned BCT and asked for a $7.90 credit. They said I was not entitled to it. They also told me if they went over I would not be billed for the overs. As I very rarely order envelopes I am not certain if I am not entitled to the credit. I get billed for overs from Folder Express and many others. Linda Linda Baribeau Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. 2041 West Mill Road Glendale, WI 53209 Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From craig at newhavenprint.com Tue Mar 18 15:21:38 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Tue Mar 18 15:17:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Igen/Nexpress vs smaller boxes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080318201715.7032BE82E2D@rb.enter.net> No problem Bob. I would guess an average selling price is in the $.55 range for 12x18 sheets - this jives with John Stewart's Pricing study medians. The break-even is surprising small. Of course fixed numbers would vary for each different shop and these aren't extremely scientific numbers, but if I was to over simplify everything ... Take a loan payment of $7000 a month, salary for a dedicated high end employee = $7000, shared burden of overhead/administrative - say another $6000. At that point you have at least $20,000 a month in so-called fixed costs. Then figure another $.10 each for stock and clicks. If you sell 60,000 clicks @ $.55 each, your profit would be in the $7500 a month range. Sell 200,000 clicks, you're looking more at $70,000+. Sell 500,000 clicks and you'll be smiling a lot. Even at a selling price of $.45 for 12x18, you'd still pretty much break even on a 60k month. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Molacek > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 3:51 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Igen/Nexpress vs smaller boxes > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > IGEN/Nexpress owners > > So I guess the questions I would have are, if you don't mind > sharing, what is your average sell price and what is your > breakeven on the IGEN/Nexpress. > > We currently run the doors off a KM500 which supplements our > 4 color GTO. > > Bob Molacek > Sir Speedy Printing > 7793 Ranchers Road > Fridley, MN 55432 > 763-571-4608 > bob@rjmprinting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Craig Dellinger > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 2:33 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Igen/Nexpress vs smaller boxes > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thanks for adding that John. > Yes, Xerox does a wonderful job in helping you promote the > machine. Whether it's supplying sample materials for your > customers, training for your salespeople, TONS of promotional > and vertical market information, more marketing materials and > ideas than you could ever use, plus the Premier Partners > program. We've send three sets of customers for two day > training sessions in Rochester, NY at their Gil Hatch center. > These are totally paid for by Xerox (flights, hotels, food, > everything). Tomorrow, I have our two salespeople going to a > seminar there on selling digital printing. Again completely > paid for by Xerox. These workshops are wonderful. All our > customers have came back extremely enthused about the iGen > and are designing more and more for it. Like I mentioned > earlier, Xerox makes most of their money on service clicks, > rather than the equipment purchase. Their concept of making > me more successful in order to make them more successful > makes total sense to me. > > Craig Dellinger > New Haven Print & Copy > 7531 US 930 East > Fort Wayne, IN 46803 > 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 > www.newhavenprint.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Joe Calagaz > > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 3:13 PM > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Igen/Nexpress vs smaller boxes > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Can you expand a little on the other services (ie what is > real world > > and what is pie in the sky) (the web portal is of > interest, if that > > is > > included) > > > > I am about to decide between the 8000 and the 7000 and now > that I am > > almost positive that the Canon 7000 is the "right" > > choice Xerox has thrown an iGen in the mix (not with > pricing attached > > yet) > > > > I think that Xerox has realized that the canon is a threat > and may be > > getting a little hungry / worried....I guess I will see..... > > > > > > > > Joe Calagaz > > Calagaz Printing > > Mobile, AL 36606 > > 251-478-0487 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry > > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 3:03 PM > > To: printowners@printweb.org > > Subject: [PrintOwners] Igen/Nexpress vs smaller boxes > > Importance: High > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > I want to expand on what Craig said. Kodak and Xerox put > > major effort in your success with the nexpress and Igen. They > > have development teams and training that comes with each > > sale. They both have sales development team's work with you > > and help sell to new markets. Web portals and many other > > things you do not get with the smaller boxes. All that is in > > the price you pay. > > > > They speed up, add new enhancements and YES even LOWER clicks > > as time goes on. This is part of why when you buy one of the > > big boy toys you can plan on > > 5 years and not having a dog on your hands after 3. > > > > I just wanted you to know when you buy a 6500 or Xerox > > 242-260 you do not get all this. Rips are improved and lots > > of things happen that you can upgrade and keep current with > > on theses big "digital presses". The others are pretty much > > thrown away every 3 years. All development stops other than > > patches once they hit the street. > > > > > > > > John M. Henry > > Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > > 125-129 East First Street > > Oswego, New York 13126 > > (315) 343-3531 > > (315) 343-3577 Fax > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1332 - Release Date: > > 3/17/2008 > > 10:48 AM > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From sos at olympus.net Tue Mar 18 15:20:13 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Mar 18 15:20:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Igen/Nexpress vs smaller boxes References: <20080318192855.F2ACCE82B8F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <035401c88935$794ed2a0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> We've send three sets of customers for two day training > sessions in Rochester, NY at their Gil Hatch center. These are totally > paid > for by Xerox (flights, hotels, food, everything). Tomorrow, I have our two > salespeople going to a seminar there on selling digital printing. Again > completely paid for by Xerox. These workshops are wonderful. ========================= Someone on another list posted that Heidelberg is just about to start charging for telephone support. They charge for training, $1000 a day no matter how bad it is, they charge to send someone to their facility, they charge outrageous prices for parts, I bought a steel rod once, McGilla Gorilla pressman broke off a handle, and it was $700. Just a rod with threads on it. At least there aren't click charges. But you can buy a lot of clicks with what a delivery chain costs, or an ink fountain clutch, or three ink fountain clutches (so far) or etc. etc. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Mar 18 14:41:10 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Mar 18 15:33:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper curl on Xerox 2xx and KM6500s In-Reply-To: <008b01c8892d$8543dd10$8fcb9730$@biz> References: <41aa6a080803170809w1860e9e7mab9d8a0345902deb@mail.gmail.com> <47e00c54.24f8720a.4e53.3bcfSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <008b01c8892d$8543dd10$8fcb9730$@biz> Message-ID: <200803181942.m2IJgKuE073334@i2bnetworks.com> Zero. Even on 111# Gloss Cover. Its an almost a straight paper path on the 6500. S. At 12:23 PM 3/18/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We're got a Xerox 242 here on a trial and, at times, are experiencing what >can only be described as an impressive amount of paper curl. > >Have any of the rest of you experienced anything similar with Xerox 2xx >copiers, and, if so, what have you done to mitigate it? > >Also, what's the paper curl situation for any of you with KM6500s? > >Thanks. > >Dan >Sir Speedy Printing Center >5845 Hollywood Boulevard >Hollywood, FL 33021 >tel. 954.962.1309 >fax 954.962.1366 >dan@myprinter.biz >www.myprinter.biz > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2957 (20080318) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From sos at olympus.net Tue Mar 18 15:40:28 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Mar 18 15:40:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: BCT overs/unders References: <20080318182325.88495E825D6@rb.enter.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20080318152552.032cff40@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <038201c88938$4d1d0320$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > If this outfit were ever in my neighborhood, they wouldn't last a week > before every printer spread the word and they either changed their mind or > changed their career! > Outrageously bad business. ==================== Plus or minus 10% is indeed an industry "standard". It used to be more common, but today in the digital age, when you tell a machine to print 100 you get exactly 100. So it's not as common anymore. But in press days, you weren't always in register on the first sheet, or up to color, or maybe it double fed or miss fed or crumpled, or caught on fire under the IR dryer, etc. etc. IF BCT is a good supplier for you (the original question) I wouldn't quibble over seven dollars. If you special order a box of 500 envelopes, and the box is short, your order is going to be short. If you ruin a few you'll be that much shorter. We have that happen. If it's standard white envelopes we'll pull more off the shelf, ('cause we keep them in stock) but if it's a special order. . tough ptugies, you're going to be short. It's not a perfect world. We have a lot of people who want to order 432 envelopes, cause that's what their mailing list is. We make them order 500 'cause that's what's in a box. Not perfect from their view point, but so what? Or they order 1000 and then come back and want 13 more. Or they bring them back cause they changed their address. Ooops, off on a tangent. I'm just glad I don't own a BCT franchise. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From bjohnson at nemont.net Tue Mar 18 15:53:56 2008 From: bjohnson at nemont.net (bob johnson) Date: Tue Mar 18 15:54:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HP LaserJet 5000 GN Message-ID: I have an HP LaserJet 5000 GN that I bought new in 2000. I have an apple G4, OS10.4.11 It is a very good but old system. On the printers staus screen it now flashes EIO 2 Not Functional The printer works but not as good. The pictures are not the quality it used to be. Does anybody know what this means? Or can help out. HP apparently has no one alive any more that knows anything about this printer. So I turn to the second best resource. (Or maybe the best one) Thank You Bob Johnson BJ's Printing From soneal at conestogadpi.com Tue Mar 18 15:53:52 2008 From: soneal at conestogadpi.com (Shawn O'Neal) Date: Tue Mar 18 15:54:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Anyone have one of those new CanonC7000Digitalprinting In-Reply-To: <41aa6a080803181143n6ada1a1bm2237dc7b267e612e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <01b101c8893a$2c9d6480$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> We have a good vendor that supplies us with user replaceable carona assemblies. Get a streak...swap it out. Shawn -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Trump Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 2:44 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Anyone have one of those new CanonC7000Digitalprinting ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Great information everyone! We just went over 2 million on our CLC-3900+ and > are eying up this new Canon C6000VP model. From samples I have seen the KM > 6500 is on par by my eye to our CLC so the C6000VP would be a boost in > production and quality for us. Goodness gracious how did you ever coax 2 million out of the CLC-3900? I have the exact same machine and it is down more than it is up. Just looked at output from it this morning and as long as you don't mind a long black streak through the copy the quality is excellent. John, that's a load of information in digest form. Thanks for sharing your reasearch with the group! -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Mar 18 15:55:03 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Mar 18 15:55:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Prints Message-ID: <0A876E84-9F4A-42B8-9C19-75A4CA7F9495@protypeonline.com> We have the Ikon version of the KM6500, IKON CPP650 and just love it. Some customers want the finish to be more "shiny" or "glossy". Even printing on a coated one side, 10pt stock, does not give us shiny results. Is there a table top coating unit out yet that we could use to "polish" our prints? Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From swiftyprinting at mac.com Tue Mar 18 16:04:41 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Tue Mar 18 16:04:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HP LaserJet 5000 GN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <852198B7-479B-4DB5-A046-A07EE5DDD4F6@mac.com> On Mar 18, 2008, at 4:53 PM, bob johnson wrote: > On the printers staus screen it now flashes > EIO 2 Not Functional EIO DISK [x] NOT FUNCTIONAL EIO disk is not working correctly 1. Reseat the EIO disk in slot [X]. 2. Remove and replace the EIO disk in slot [X]. It is amazing what you can find on the web. source: http://www.printertechs.com/tech/error-codes/error-codes-A-E.php Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From dennis.trump at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 16:18:55 2008 From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump) Date: Tue Mar 18 16:19:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Anyone have one of those new CanonC7000Digitalprinting In-Reply-To: <01b101c8893a$2c9d6480$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> References: <41aa6a080803181143n6ada1a1bm2237dc7b267e612e@mail.gmail.com> <01b101c8893a$2c9d6480$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> Message-ID: <41aa6a080803181418l34bd5770ka03e2d0597e6378a@mail.gmail.com> > We have a good vendor that supplies us with user replaceable carona > assemblies. Get a streak...swap it out. > Is that your service company? Care to share your vendor? -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 From ep101 at technaprint.com Tue Mar 18 16:42:08 2008 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Tue Mar 18 16:42:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unemployment Qualifying? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Now, can she collect unemployment? Yes. Call it what you like, Robin, you're terming her employment...whether firing or layoff. In Oregon, the only way you're going to have someone not collect is if they voluntarily resign (weren't coerced into leaving or forced to "resign" because they were working in an untenable circumstance) or you term them for "Misconduct Associated With The Work" typically documented through a progressive disciplinary system. Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From ep101 at technaprint.com Tue Mar 18 16:48:23 2008 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Tue Mar 18 16:48:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Anyone have one of those new Canon C7000 Digital printing presses? In-Reply-To: <000e01c888f7$852e1ab0$7d01a8c0@key.local> Message-ID: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am looking at getting into digital printing and I am down to three > candidates; The HP Indigo, the Xerox I-Gen and the Canon C7000. Scott has offered wonderful counsel on this. Walk before you run.... Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From greg at pressexpress.org Tue Mar 18 16:59:54 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Tue Mar 18 17:00:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] SCAM -Fwd: Ghana West Africa Orders References: <791D1347-5471-4B31-97B9-81163C186C52@newprinting.com> Message-ID: <04950A97-03DB-4D54-B7D5-1697DF616EA8@pressexpress.org> This was sent to me by a fellow printer. This was a topic a few days ago on the list. Deaf operator, etc... It sounds like this scam is used in many other businesses other than printers. Wouldn't be a bad idea to notify your customers to be weary as well. Automotive, yard equipment, any industry. All they are after is the shipping transfer of funds. Pretty slick operation. Please read Greg Begin forwarded message: > > > I am sending out this email to alert everyone on my list to a scam > that was attempted on our company. > After further investigation and a couple phone calls, my boss > discovered what the scam entailed. > > We had some odd orders for printing large quantities of religious > flyers for "orphans". The orders were coming from Accra in Ghana, > West Africa. They were for large amounts and would have entailed > shipping a heavy pallet of printed material to Ghana, costing > several thousand dollars. > I tried to keep alert with it, but other than the oddity of the > order we saw no flags going up that would have alerted us to any ill > intent. The order was processed and paid ahead with credit cards > that went through with no issues. To avoid any hassles with shipping > internationally, I attempted to get the end client to pay for the > shipping directly with the transport company itself. We were told > that the shipping company would only accept payment from the > location that was doing the shipping and not the third party. The > shipping was paid for with a different credit card and we were > instructed to send payment via Western Union. Fortunately we had a > bad answer on the test that Western Union gives over the phone to > verify us as the proper card holders and we were told we would need > to go to an office to make the transaction. > > In the midst of that, a second order similar to the first came in > and we all started to get the questionable integrity mode going. > When I asked the second guy if they would like to ship with the > company that I am currently dealing with on another order, he > replied that he would rather deal with a different company. The > cards were going through alright so we tried to stay alert to > anything that might be suspicious. We couldn't come up with any > reason that it could come back to haunt us since we put out no > account information to let them in. Still, one order going through > and another order coming in as fast and impatient as it did kept the > worry flags flying. We began the search for answers. > > Here's the dealio. They don't give a hoot about the charges on the > card. They're stolen card numbers and the money comes in for them > because they are waiting for it from Western Union. No one would > have shown up to pick up the materials that were destined for the > poor orphans. It would have sat here while the "shipping" company > would have been sporting our cash through Western Union and the > cards would have been flagged as fraudulent. We caught it and we're > only out some time and minor materials. I just wanted to pass this > along so that you know there's something new going along with the > Prince of Nigeria who wants to come to America if only you can send > him your account numbers so he can transfer his quadrillion dollars > to it. Sometimes they aren't after the account numbers. Just the cash. > > We turned the numbers that were given to us over to the credit card > company and they'll do what they do with it to rectify the > situation. If something like this comes up and you can get the card > numbers I encourage you to do the same. I also encourage you to > forward this to whomever you may think could come into a situation > like this. It may not be printing. We were told a cabinet company in > Milwaukee had something like this come up, and there were reports of > orders for things like snow blower parts and other odd things that > would entail BIG SHIPMENTS internationally. > > Have a nice day, > Eric > From ep101 at technaprint.com Tue Mar 18 17:37:45 2008 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Tue Mar 18 17:38:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Entourage Exports Message-ID: I'm trying to take a subset of Entourage (Outlook) contacts out to Apple's Mail client and I'm having a heckuva time figuring out how to do this. I don't want all 900+-, but it seems that there's no way to take a "View" and simply Export that. Also, they say the only way you can export a "Group" is to select the group and paste it into a "Note". Problem there is all you get are names and email addresses...no address or phone data. Any ideas?? Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Mar 18 18:24:17 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Mar 18 18:24:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Business Card Stock Weight? Message-ID: <796BFA66-B49F-4D88-AADC-5A7D07DDC7F5@protypeonline.com> What weight cover stock do you use when you print business cards on your b/w or color copier, a/k/a digital printer. We have never had a complaint until this week. Another business that brokers some business to us and uses us for business cards, called today to say that two of their customers have complained that their business cards are more "flimsy" than the last time. I'm home now and the shop is closed, but I think we use 80# cover. What should we be putting through our iR7095 or IKON CPP650? robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Mar 18 18:37:31 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Mar 18 18:38:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Business Card Stock Weight? In-Reply-To: <796BFA66-B49F-4D88-AADC-5A7D07DDC7F5@protypeonline.com> References: <796BFA66-B49F-4D88-AADC-5A7D07DDC7F5@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <200803182338.m2INcfsB028928@i2bnetworks.com> Classic Crest 110# Cover Solar White is our primary stock for digital. 80# used to be the standard 10 years ago..now we consider it wimpy you could say 110 is the new 80 kinda like 50 is the new 40...if you know what I mean.... My cards are on 130# Crest Cover Solar (off the press)..... No wimpy here.... S. At 04:24 PM 3/18/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >What weight cover stock do you use when you print business cards on >your b/w or color copier, a/k/a digital printer. >We have never had a complaint until this week. Another business that >brokers some business to us and uses us for business cards, called >today to say that two of their customers >have complained that their business cards are more "flimsy" than the >last time. I'm home now and the shop is closed, but I think we use 80# >cover. What should we be putting through our iR7095 or IKON CPP650? >robin > >Robin Niewold >Pro-Type Printing, Inc. >130 N. Market Street >Paxton, IL 60957 >217.379.4715 >robin@protypeonline.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2958 (20080318) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From sos at olympus.net Tue Mar 18 19:12:42 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Mar 18 19:12:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Business Card Stock Weight? References: <796BFA66-B49F-4D88-AADC-5A7D07DDC7F5@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <040901c88955$f3326210$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > have complained that their business cards are more "flimsy" than the last > time. I'm home now and the shop is closed, but I think we use 80# cover. > What should we be putting through our iR7095 or IKON CPP650? > robin =================== We print lots of Classic Crest 80 lb cover, but have switched from 80 matte and gloss cover to 100 lb. From 10 pt Kromekote to 12 pt. We don't want to be flimsy. Mimsy maybe. But not flimsy. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From jrobson at cnydigital.com Tue Mar 18 19:27:27 2008 From: jrobson at cnydigital.com (Jon Robson) Date: Tue Mar 18 19:27:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 31, Issue 68 In-Reply-To: <20080318202035.14E97E82EA1@rb.enter.net> References: <20080318202035.14E97E82EA1@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <02a301c88958$03c775f0$0b5661d0$@com> Hi, How did it go this evening? Jon Robson Auburn Document Centre ADC Cellular and Satellite 74 Genesee St. Auburn, NY, 13021 315-255-4664 Cell- 315-277-0050 Fax- 315-252-8115 888-777-ANSWER (2679) Adobe Authorized Service Provider Computer Service and Repair DIRECTV Preferred Dealer HughesNet Satellite Internet Sales and Installations Verizon Wireless ? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????? ?????? ???????????????????????? ??????? ?????????? ?????????? -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of printowners-request@printweb.org Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 4:21 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 31, Issue 68 Send PrintOwners mailing list submissions to printowners@printweb.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to printowners-request@printweb.org You can reach the person managing the list at printowners-owner@printweb.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of PrintOwners digest..." ***** This is a PrintOwners List Digest ***** Today's Topics: 1. RE: Re: Anyone have one of those new CanonC7000 Digitalprinting (mail@myprinter.biz) 2. RE: Igen/Nexpress vs smaller boxes (Bob Molacek) 3. RE: Igen/Nexpress vs smaller boxes (Joe Calagaz) (John Henry) 4. RE: BCT overs/unders (Rick Bird) 5. RE: Igen/Nexpress vs smaller boxes (Craig Dellinger) 6. Re: Igen/Nexpress vs smaller boxes (Dan Huntingford) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:49:10 -0400 From: Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Re: Anyone have one of those new CanonC7000 Digitalprinting To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Message-ID: <00aa01c88931$2305bac0$69113040$@biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Joe - What's your paper curl situation with the 252? Thanks. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dominick's Printing Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 3:22 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Anyone have one of those new CanonC7000 Digitalprinting ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** If you do a lot off the glass copies, check the KM6500 for quality. Did not come close to the CLC quality. Lots of good information, but remember every shop needs something that fits them. Because of service the KM6500 failed 60% of our tests. The Canon C1 failed 80% of the tests. The Xerox 252 met 90% of the tests. We have had it 3 months now. It runs everything we can put thru it. So for our shop, this is the best fit.