From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Sun Jun 1 06:30:12 2008 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Sun Jun 1 06:27:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Got nothing better to do today References: Message-ID: <000401c8c3d2$7a7add40$042967d3@kp4> ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry" To: "Printowners" Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 5:53 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Got nothing better to do today ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We faced this problem..... and someone took a used packing slip from the garbage can, scanned it, and we've been using that file for a long time. Works great. LT DPP Tucson, AZ > > Can anyone offer help on finding a graphic file for blocking out > > selected areas of the 2nd sheet of carbonless forms? Although you've got the problem solved, here's a quick solution for future reference. In your layout program such as InDesign, create a text box and fill it with random text and numbers by running your fingers back and forth over the keyboard. Highlight the content and tighten lhe leading to say half the height of the lext and then set the kerning to something like -100. The text will then overlap horizontally and vertically. ----------------------------------------- Barry Takayesu Prestige Print & Graphics 10592 Wellington Rd _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From john at mpcny.com Sun Jun 1 08:00:07 2008 From: john at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Sun Jun 1 08:00:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: OFF: The next Bubble In-Reply-To: <20080531184256.98749F61744@rb.enter.net> References: <20080531184256.98749F61744@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <003901c8c3df$092b5fe0$1b821fa0$@com> The best advice I ever got on investing from my uncle. When your postman, hairdresser and loser brother in law, start telling you what to invest in, get out that segment quick. I was told by a MBA guy this is the "masses is asses" rule. Yes, I agree with Dan, it is many commodities at this time. Will they collapse? absolutely not, but the big run up is close to the end. Take some of your profits and move them. John Henry No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1476 - Release Date: 5/31/2008 12:25 PM From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Sun Jun 1 19:10:43 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Sun Jun 1 19:11:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scottsdale or East Phoenix Printer needed Message-ID: Scottsdale or East Phoenix Printer needed Hi....a client has just opened a branch office in N. Scottsdale and needs quick turn around on color flyers and brochures, short runs of 100-1000 same day or overnight. Please email me offline or call me to discuss. Thanks Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing 520-745-8004 C: 520-955-2195 From homedespot1 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 1 20:49:38 2008 From: homedespot1 at yahoo.com (J.S.A.) Date: Sun Jun 1 20:49:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: OFF: The next Bubble In-Reply-To: <003901c8c3df$092b5fe0$1b821fa0$@com> Message-ID: <386696.48748.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I think the next bubble is alternative energy. Jennifer Adelman formerly superroller Non possumus bibere tota die, si non incipimus bibere bene mane. --------------------------------------------------------------- Art, like morality, consists of drawing the line somewhere -G.K. Chesterton --- On Sun, 6/1/08, John Henry wrote: > From: John Henry > Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: OFF: The next Bubble > To: printowners@printweb.org > Date: Sunday, June 1, 2008, 6:00 AM > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The best advice I ever got on investing from my uncle. > > When your postman, hairdresser and loser brother in law, > start telling you > what to invest in, get out that segment quick. I was told > by a MBA guy this > is the "masses is asses" rule. > > Yes, I agree with Dan, it is many commodities at this time. > Will they > collapse? absolutely not, but the big run up is close to > the end. Take some > of your profits and move them. > > > John Henry > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1476 - Release > Date: 5/31/2008 > 12:25 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com Mon Jun 2 07:58:55 2008 From: kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com (Kirk Squiers) Date: Mon Jun 2 07:58:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Coated text for 6500 Message-ID: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B120CFAC@fpserver.FP.local> What are most of you having success with printing on 6500 or similar machines for a coated text? Ie... ease of printing,best quality for photos etc... All the best.. Kirk K. Squiers Central Michigan Graphics YOU THINK IT! WE INK IT! 1200 E. Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-332-2200 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com Standard turnaround time is 7-10 working days after final approval. From richard at weprintcary.com Mon Jun 2 09:03:53 2008 From: richard at weprintcary.com (Richard Cobb) Date: Mon Jun 2 08:05:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Coated text for 6500 In-Reply-To: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B120CFAC@fpserver.FP.local> References: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B120CFAC@fpserver.FP.local> Message-ID: <4843EFB9.5090409@weprintcary.com> Futura runs extremely well and looks great. Also run lots of Euro Art (from Mac) but 80 text will only run long grain. Richard Cobb Allegra Print & Imaging 1155 Kildaire Farm Road Cary, NC 27511 919-468-3334 fax 919-468-3880 The Future of Printing is Here Helping Businesses Find Ways to Enhance the VALUE of Their Print Communications! Kirk Squiers wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What are most of you having success with printing on 6500 or similar > machines for a coated text? Ie... ease of printing,best quality for > photos etc... > > All the best.. > > > Kirk K. Squiers > Central Michigan Graphics > YOU THINK IT! WE INK IT! > 1200 E. Oakland > Lansing, Michigan 48906 > www.centralmichigangraphics.com > 517-332-2200 > kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com > > Standard turnaround time is 7-10 working days after final approval. > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From bherion at bucksdigital.com Mon Jun 2 07:38:24 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Mon Jun 2 08:17:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Political printing Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080602073228.0336d0e0@bucksdigital.com> Had seen a few comments in the "deadbeat" thread. Here in the Philadelphia region, for as long as I can remember (brain struggles with anything over 45 years), the only rule of thumb that was NEVER excepted is "Political work is always COD". Pardon me, yes, it actually is excepted at times. Sometimes its half up front, then COD. I didn't make this up, I'm pretty certain its in the rulebook. Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From John at mpcny.com Mon Jun 2 08:45:04 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Mon Jun 2 08:45:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox comes out with new color box Message-ID: <006301c8c4ae$7aea53f0$70befbd0$@com> After being pummeled by the KM 6500, Xerox has introduced the 700 a 70 cpm color box http://www.xerox.com/digital-printing/printers/digital-press/xerox-700/enus. html I do not have any pricing other than in the $60,000 range. Not sure if this is all "new" or a update to the 242/252/260. I will be at Xerox in a few weeks for a demo on it. It does offer EFI. Creo, Splash and Xerox rips John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com From jdaghir at gmail.com Mon Jun 2 08:58:03 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Mon Jun 2 08:58:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Coated text for 6500 In-Reply-To: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B120CFAC@fpserver.FP.local> References: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B120CFAC@fpserver.FP.local> Message-ID: <83d5b9620806020558k66d2ccb6j4e7b97428cb05fba@mail.gmail.com> We run Futura on our C500. Works reasonably well. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Kirk said: > What are most of you having success with printing on 6500 or similar > machines for a coated text? Ie... ease of printing,best quality for > photos etc... From craig at newhavenprint.com Mon Jun 2 09:19:42 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Mon Jun 2 09:14:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox comes out with new color box In-Reply-To: <006301c8c4ae$7aea53f0$70befbd0$@com> References: <006301c8c4ae$7aea53f0$70befbd0$@com> Message-ID: <4843F36E.5030805@newhavenprint.com> They also announced the iGen4 at Drupa. Due out this fall. Doesn't look like major changes. Same speed, same basic specs, they combined the toner/developer systems so that the quality will remain more consistent and we won't have to change developer. That would be nice, but not earth shattering. They also showed a machine with two iGen engines pumping out 220 impressions per minute. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy Fort Wayne, IN John Henry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > After being pummeled by the KM 6500, Xerox has introduced the 700 a 70 cpm > color box > > http://www.xerox.com/digital-printing/printers/digital-press/xerox-700/enus. > html > John M. Henry > > From swiftyprinting at mac.com Mon Jun 2 09:37:40 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Mon Jun 2 09:37:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox comes out with new color box In-Reply-To: <4843F36E.5030805@newhavenprint.com> References: <006301c8c4ae$7aea53f0$70befbd0$@com> <4843F36E.5030805@newhavenprint.com> Message-ID: <771787D9-2436-4104-8735-A0DD6A6297AC@mac.com> On Jun 2, 2008, at 9:19 AM, Craig Dellinger wrote: > They also announced the iGen4 at Drupa. Due out this fall. Doesn't > look like major changes. Same speed, same basic specs, they combined > the toner/developer systems so that the quality will remain more > consistent and we won't have to change developer. That would be > nice, but not earth shattering. They also showed a machine with two > iGen engines pumping out 220 impressions per minute. Basically the iGen4 is the same machine with all of the upgrades we hoped for in the iGen3. The biggest difference is the productivity factor. You will see the biggest gains in down time Reduction. The toner/developer mixing tray will increase the time between developer changes, the inline spectrometer is more advanced than the way it currently reads density from print to print. It appears that the 4 is way to start selling new machines instead of giving away the retrofits. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From russ at mobile-print.com Mon Jun 2 09:39:48 2008 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Mon Jun 2 09:39:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital boxes In-Reply-To: <00b401c8c371$0525e730$6401a8c0@coranew> References: <00b401c8c371$0525e730$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <4843F824.1050108@mobile-print.com> > Larry, if I charged anywhere near your prices I would be embarrassed to put > a rubber band on it, but when they only want to pay $12.00 for 150 laser > color business cards....they get a rubber band > > $12 for 150 cards! Yikes, that doesn't even cover my preflight price, let alone imposition & cutting. I'd be at $51 minimum for 150 cards run digitally on 100# uncoated cover, providing the file is perfect and there's no bleeds. Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com From joe at calagaz.com Mon Jun 2 10:11:59 2008 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Mon Jun 2 10:12:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox comes out with new color box Message-ID: I am not sure I understand the last statement..... Is the iGen4 a replacement for the 3? I am in the final stages of a deal with Xerox (I was going to sign last Friday) and am really upset that Xerox has not even mentioned a new machine was in the works.......I had the exact same issue when the 2060 was replaced by the 6060....... Joe Calagaz Calagaz Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 8:38 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Xerox comes out with new color box ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Jun 2, 2008, at 9:19 AM, Craig Dellinger wrote: > They also announced the iGen4 at Drupa. Due out this fall. Doesn't > look like major changes. Same speed, same basic specs, they combined > the toner/developer systems so that the quality will remain more > consistent and we won't have to change developer. That would be > nice, but not earth shattering. They also showed a machine with two > iGen engines pumping out 220 impressions per minute. Basically the iGen4 is the same machine with all of the upgrades we hoped for in the iGen3. The biggest difference is the productivity factor. You will see the biggest gains in down time Reduction. The toner/developer mixing tray will increase the time between developer changes, the inline spectrometer is more advanced than the way it currently reads density from print to print. It appears that the 4 is way to start selling new machines instead of giving away the retrofits. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bherion at bucksdigital.com Mon Jun 2 10:35:18 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Mon Jun 2 10:35:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen4 Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080602103202.03343a90@bucksdigital.com> Right. Who knew? Our last two iGens were purchased in the last year - one is only 2 month's old. On each, we were specific in asking if there was an iGen4 in the works. The answer was, No. Well, we all know the answer to that, now. I have Xerox creating a side by side spreadsheet of the differences and if there is a retrofit available for the difference and if so, its cost. I will share it with the world, once in hand. Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From craig at newhavenprint.com Mon Jun 2 10:43:24 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Mon Jun 2 10:37:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox comes out with new color box In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4844070C.7080801@newhavenprint.com> Also, one of the improvements of the iGen4 (like Chuck mentioned), is the Automated Color Quality Suite which includes the in-line photospectrometer. It is available as an upgrade to the iGen3 for about 25k. Might be another bargaining chip to get that thrown in to your deal. http://members.whattheythink.com/allsearch/article.cfm?id=33758 Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy Fort Wayne, IN Joe Calagaz wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am not sure I understand the last statement..... > Is the iGen4 a replacement for the 3? > I am in the final stages of a deal with Xerox (I was going to sign last > Friday) and am really upset that Xerox has not even mentioned a new > machine was in the works.......I had the exact same issue when the 2060 > was replaced by the 6060....... > Joe Calagaz > Calagaz Printing > Mobile, AL 36606 > 251-478-0487 > > From craig at sutterprinting.com Mon Jun 2 10:45:24 2008 From: craig at sutterprinting.com (Craig Baise) Date: Mon Jun 2 10:45:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox comes out with new color box In-Reply-To: <4844070C.7080801@newhavenprint.com> Message-ID: Joe - welcome to the xerox sales training manual!! craig On 6/2/08 7:43 AM, "Craig Dellinger" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Also, one of the improvements of the iGen4 (like Chuck mentioned), is > the Automated Color Quality Suite which includes the in-line > photospectrometer. It is available as an upgrade to the iGen3 for about > 25k. Might be another bargaining chip to get that thrown in to your deal. > > http://members.whattheythink.com/allsearch/article.cfm?id=33758 > > Craig Dellinger > New Haven Print & Copy > Fort Wayne, IN > > > Joe Calagaz wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I am not sure I understand the last statement..... >> Is the iGen4 a replacement for the 3? >> I am in the final stages of a deal with Xerox (I was going to sign last >> Friday) and am really upset that Xerox has not even mentioned a new >> machine was in the works.......I had the exact same issue when the 2060 >> was replaced by the 6060....... >> Joe Calagaz >> Calagaz Printing >> Mobile, AL 36606 >> 251-478-0487 >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Craig C. Baise Sutter Printing 916.446.0167 office www.sutterprinting.com From Azkwikkopy at aol.com Mon Jun 2 10:47:40 2008 From: Azkwikkopy at aol.com (Azkwikkopy@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 2 10:49:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scottsdale or East Phoenix Printer needed Message-ID: **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) From kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com Mon Jun 2 11:31:48 2008 From: kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com (Kirk Squiers) Date: Mon Jun 2 11:31:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox comes out with new color box Message-ID: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B120CFD2@fpserver.FP.local> I concur, XEROX is still getting pummeled by the 6500:) Kirk K. Squiers Central Michigan Graphics YOU THINK IT! WE INK IT! 1200 E. Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-332-2200 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com Standard turnaround time is 7-10 working days after final approval. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 8:45 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox comes out with new color box Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** After being pummeled by the KM 6500, Xerox has introduced the 700 a 70 cpm color box http://www.xerox.com/digital-printing/printers/digital-press/xerox-700/e nus. html I do not have any pricing other than in the $60,000 range. Not sure if this is all "new" or a update to the 242/252/260. I will be at Xerox in a few weeks for a demo on it. It does offer EFI. Creo, Splash and Xerox rips John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From steve at toledoprinter.com Mon Jun 2 11:48:45 2008 From: steve at toledoprinter.com (West Printing) Date: Mon Jun 2 11:48:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 7345...any comments? Message-ID: <007101c8c4c8$24810e40$6d832ac0$@com> Back in April there was some talk on PO about X's 7345 freebie, except for the clicks. My local X rep has visited me a couple of times trying to get the machine in here. Naturally the appeal is no use-no pay and it is probably an entr?e to getting another foot in the door. I am wondering if anyone has had any issues with this machine or the zero rent agreement. Steve Robison West Printing Co. 327 12th Street, Toledo, OH 43604 Ph. 419.246.0857, steve@toledoprinter.com? **************************************** From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Mon Jun 2 11:52:32 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Mon Jun 2 11:52:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 7345...any comments? In-Reply-To: <007101c8c4c8$24810e40$6d832ac0$@com> References: <007101c8c4c8$24810e40$6d832ac0$@com> Message-ID: <34D57338-D051-4BA9-B7DC-7E2AEE6A5001@bellsouth.net> None so far. About 75 copies in 6 weeks, so not real heavy use! Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Jun 2, 2008, at 11:48 AM, West Printing wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Back in April there was some talk on PO about X's 7345 freebie, except > for the clicks. > > My local X rep has visited me a couple of times trying to get the > machine in here. > > Naturally the appeal is no use-no pay and it is probably an entr?e to > getting another foot in the door. > > I am wondering if anyone has had any issues with this machine or the > zero rent agreement. > > Steve Robison > West Printing Co. > 327 12th Street, Toledo, OH 43604 > Ph. 419.246.0857, steve@toledoprinter.com > **************************************** > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From Minmandon at aol.com Mon Jun 2 12:01:03 2008 From: Minmandon at aol.com (Minmandon@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 2 12:02:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 7345...any comments? Message-ID: In a message dated 6/2/2008 11:48:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, steve@toledoprinter.com writes: I am wondering if anyone has had any issues with this machine or the zero rent agreement. Mine is scheduled to be delivered today. I had asked for the contract that I had to sign be emailed to me. I was expecting pages & pages of legalese. The contract is two lines. Even at the high click charge I thought it to be too good a deal to pass up. Factoring in the lease payment on my Canon 4080 the first 1000 clicks cost me $430. The first 1000 clicks on this Xerox will cost $89. I could not see how I could refuse this offer. Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield 954 421-9904 **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) From kevin at proprinters.ca Mon Jun 2 12:20:31 2008 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin at PRO Printers) Date: Mon Jun 2 12:20:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Acrobat 9 References: <019401c8bcfc$86e0a970$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <00ed01c8c4cc$9731e0a0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> Just noticed the following. http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/ Anyone have it yet? Any issues? Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca From swiftyprinting at mac.com Mon Jun 2 12:30:17 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Mon Jun 2 12:30:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen4 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080602103202.03343a90@bucksdigital.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080602103202.03343a90@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: On Jun 2, 2008, at 10:35 AM, Bob Herion wrote: > On each, we were specific in asking if there was an iGen4 in the > works. The answer was, No. The answer "Technically" was no. Xerox has been going back and forth on whether to update to a new model or continue retrofitting the 3. Some of the things in the 4 are in the field on the 3 as "fixes" to problem machines. It comes down to the bottom line. At what point do you just introduce a new machine, rather than keep upgrading the current model. Xerox is the only one that does extensive retrofits to current models. Most manufactures just introduce a new model. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From sos at olympus.net Mon Jun 2 12:36:14 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Jun 2 12:36:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Acrobat 9 References: <019401c8bcfc$86e0a970$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <00ed01c8c4cc$9731e0a0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <06bc01c8c4ce$c642c1f0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > Just noticed the following. > > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/ > > Anyone have it yet? Any issues? ======================= As far as I know no one has it yet. But it is supposed to be released today. It sounds to me like the only real added feature is incorporating Flash Video in it so you can put videos, slides shows, etc. in PDFs. Which shouldn't have any big effect on printers. . . except to make our lives even more complicated. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Mon Jun 2 12:35:43 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Mon Jun 2 12:37:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Acrobat 9 In-Reply-To: <00ed01c8c4cc$9731e0a0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> References: <019401c8bcfc$86e0a970$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <00ed01c8c4cc$9731e0a0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <4844215F.4050603@satx.rr.com> I did an online seminar on the product. I see it is not available yet. I would think they will put it up for ASN members before long. There are a lot of new pre-press features that will be helpful. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Kevin at PRO Printers wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Just noticed the following. > > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/ > > Anyone have it yet? Any issues? > Kevin Kerr > Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. > 1900 Merivale Rd. > Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 > Tel 613-727-9444 > Fax 613-727-1945 > kevin@proprinters.ca > www.proprinters.ca > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon Jun 2 12:36:38 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon Jun 2 12:37:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Acrobat 9 In-Reply-To: <00ed01c8c4cc$9731e0a0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> References: <019401c8bcfc$86e0a970$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <00ed01c8c4cc$9731e0a0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <200806021637.m52Gb39H049944@i2bnetworks.com> I've had a webinar with Adobe under NDA (as some on this list may have as well), so I can't talk about it. No release date has been disclosed as of yet. But, its impressive. S. At 09:20 AM 6/2/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Just noticed the following. > >http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/ > >Anyone have it yet? Any issues? >Kevin Kerr >Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. >1900 Merivale Rd. >Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 >Tel 613-727-9444 >Fax 613-727-1945 >kevin@proprinters.ca >www.proprinters.ca > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3152 (20080602) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From steve at toledoprinter.com Mon Jun 2 12:50:53 2008 From: steve at toledoprinter.com (West Printing) Date: Mon Jun 2 12:50:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Anybody using Carbonite Online Backup Message-ID: <007f01c8c4d0$d284a850$778df8f0$@com> I have tested Carbonite online backup for the past month and I think it is a keeper, well sort of. The price is certainly right. $49.95 a year for unlimited encrypted storage. Backs up all the time or just when you schedule. Restoring is just a couple of clicks. Easy-peasy. The only issue I have is I still need to maintain an accessible backup offsite where I can get to it. Who knows, Carbonite in spite of it's great service may disappear. Microsoft has their "Skydrive" and rumors says Google will soon release "G Drive". A little space for free and pay for more. Skydrive has remote access...something Carbonite does not have. So, if I'm choking on kimchee in Korea and want to access my Heimlich files, no can do. Steve Robison West Printing Co. 327 12th Street, Toledo, OH 43604 Ph. 419.246.0857, steve@toledoprinter.com? **************************************** http://www.ToledoPrinter.Com Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider From sos at olympus.net Mon Jun 2 12:54:25 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Jun 2 12:54:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Acrobat 9 References: <019401c8bcfc$86e0a970$6d01a8c0@KELLY><00ed01c8c4cc$9731e0a0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> <4844215F.4050603@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <06d101c8c4d1$509a7d50$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Ewing" There are a > lot of new pre-press features that will be helpful. ================ Really? The article I read about it only talked about the Flash bit. I guess we'll see soon enough. What ever happened to those newsletter we used to get as part of the Adobe Service Providers Program? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From robin at protypeonline.com Mon Jun 2 13:30:01 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Mon Jun 2 13:30:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Misc. Equipment Message-ID: I am in need of a simple airfeed folder -- max. size 11 x 17, table top -- like a Baum 714 or ? also a table top business card slitter....something simple that can handle the cards printed on our copiers -- about 6-12 orders/week. Anyone have used or one you can recommend? I haven't looked on ebay -- feel better dealing with other printers if I can. :) Robin Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 Wright Printing Company 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From bherion at bucksdigital.com Mon Jun 2 13:34:47 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Mon Jun 2 13:40:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 34, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <20080602163025.4AB2AF66957@rb.enter.net> References: <20080602163025.4AB2AF66957@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080602132639.0336acf8@bucksdigital.com> I see your point and raise you another... There is absolutely no reason to keep it a secret and in fact, that is what Xerox did to me as recent as 2 months ago and apparently STILL to another poster on this forum. The secret was kept to make a splash at Drupa. Well done. It did. If this was a car, I could see it in the upper lot and the salesman would say do you want this year or last year's model? At the very least, Xerox should have been prepared for customers like myself in the sense of here is what we can and will do for you. In the long run, I'm sure that is how we'll settle in my shop. Just leaves a bad taste - you know what I mean? Bob At 12:30 PM 6/2/2008, Chuck Pappas wrote: >On Jun 2, 2008, at 10:35 AM, Bob Herion wrote: > > > On each, we were specific in asking if there was an iGen4 in the > > works. The answer was, No. > >The answer "Technically" was no. Xerox has been going back and forth >on whether to update to a new model or continue retrofitting the 3. >Some of the things in the 4 are in the field on the 3 as "fixes" to >problem machines. > >It comes down to the bottom line. At what point do you just introduce >a new machine, rather than keep upgrading the current model. Xerox is >the only one that does extensive retrofits to current models. Most >manufactures just introduce a new model. Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From rstor at copycats.com Mon Jun 2 13:54:02 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Mon Jun 2 13:55:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 34, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080602132639.0336acf8@bucksdigital.com> References: <20080602163025.4AB2AF66957@rb.enter.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20080602132639.0336acf8@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <484433BA.1010801@copycats.com> Bob, This is a consistent problem with Xerox and will never go away. They need to place the boxes they have before placing new ones. I went through this nonsense with my Production Nuvera about 16 months ago. I bought it in November, took delivery in December '06 I they introduced the new EA models in late winter/early spring of '07. There are ongoing problems with my machine that they claim are inherent to it and will not do anything to fix, since they are not fixable. Yet the EA has been re-designed to avoid these issues. When get rid of my last Docutech it will not be for another Xerox, unless they cut me an unbelievable deal. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Bob Herion wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I see your point and raise you another... > There is absolutely no reason to keep it a secret and in fact, that is > what Xerox did to me as recent as 2 months ago and apparently STILL to > another poster on this forum. > The secret was kept to make a splash at Drupa. Well done. It did. > If this was a car, I could see it in the upper lot and the salesman > would say do you want this year or last year's model? > > At the very least, Xerox should have been prepared for customers like > myself in the sense of here is what we can and will do for you. > In the long run, I'm sure that is how we'll settle in my shop. Just > leaves a bad taste - you know what I mean? > > Bob > > > At 12:30 PM 6/2/2008, Chuck Pappas wrote: >> On Jun 2, 2008, at 10:35 AM, Bob Herion wrote: >> >> > On each, we were specific in asking if there was an iGen4 in the >> > works. The answer was, No. >> >> The answer "Technically" was no. Xerox has been going back and forth >> on whether to update to a new model or continue retrofitting the 3. >> Some of the things in the 4 are in the field on the 3 as "fixes" to >> problem machines. >> >> It comes down to the bottom line. At what point do you just introduce >> a new machine, rather than keep upgrading the current model. Xerox is >> the only one that does extensive retrofits to current models. Most >> manufactures just introduce a new model. > > Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! > We use Recycled and Certified Papers > Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 > 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 > www.bucksdigital.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon Jun 2 14:01:29 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon Jun 2 14:02:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 34, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080602132639.0336acf8@bucksdigital.com> References: <20080602163025.4AB2AF66957@rb.enter.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20080602132639.0336acf8@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <200806021802.m52I1ttD069485@i2bnetworks.com> I'd be pissed. Damn pissed at that. It will be interesting to see how Xerox handles this. I hope you'll share all, since there are some of us that potentially have the Igen in our future plans. Make sure you let them know that potential future customers are watching. You have permission to print this email and show it to 'em. S. At 10:34 AM 6/2/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I see your point and raise you another... >There is absolutely no reason to keep it a secret and in fact, that >is what Xerox did to me as recent as 2 months ago and apparently >STILL to another poster on this forum. >The secret was kept to make a splash at Drupa. Well done. It did. >If this was a car, I could see it in the upper lot and the salesman >would say do you want this year or last year's model? > >At the very least, Xerox should have been prepared for customers >like myself in the sense of here is what we can and will do for you. >In the long run, I'm sure that is how we'll settle in my shop. Just >leaves a bad taste - you know what I mean? > >Bob > > >At 12:30 PM 6/2/2008, Chuck Pappas wrote: >>On Jun 2, 2008, at 10:35 AM, Bob Herion wrote: >> >> > On each, we were specific in asking if there was an iGen4 in the >> > works. The answer was, No. >> >>The answer "Technically" was no. Xerox has been going back and forth >>on whether to update to a new model or continue retrofitting the 3. >>Some of the things in the 4 are in the field on the 3 as "fixes" to >>problem machines. >> >>It comes down to the bottom line. At what point do you just introduce >>a new machine, rather than keep upgrading the current model. Xerox is >>the only one that does extensive retrofits to current models. Most >>manufactures just introduce a new model. > >Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! >We use Recycled and Certified Papers >Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 >90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 >www.bucksdigital.com > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3152 (20080602) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From ron at printingconcepts.com Mon Jun 2 14:18:18 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Mon Jun 2 14:18:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] On-line Auction Message-ID: I have attended many printing equipment auctions, but I just received a flyer from Thomas Industries selling the assets of a nearby printer on June 11. This auction is on-line only. I intend to go inspect so I get a close up of what I am bidding on. Has anyone participated in one of these? I would think the potential for shills to bid up would be greater than a regular auction. What has been your experience? The last live auction I was at there were a number of on-line bidders who seemed to exceed the poor judgment of even the person with the least sense who was there in person. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons" "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, and of the merchants a merchant." RALPH WALDO EMERSON Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From copythatnyc at aol.com Mon Jun 2 14:41:47 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Mon Jun 2 14:41:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help Message-ID: <8CA92F7728E47EC-11E0-E8@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> We have an order that requires a mail merge with a first class indicia.? What program can we use to pre sort the mailing with zip codes in correct order? ? Thanks in advance Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com From swiftyprinting at mac.com Mon Jun 2 14:55:26 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Mon Jun 2 14:56:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Nuvera was Re: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 34, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <484433BA.1010801@copycats.com> References: <20080602163025.4AB2AF66957@rb.enter.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20080602132639.0336acf8@bucksdigital.com> <484433BA.1010801@copycats.com> Message-ID: <9C76CF06-1DE9-4681-B327-C0BDB2A609DF@mac.com> On Jun 2, 2008, at 1:54 PM, Robert Stor wrote: > I they introduced the new EA models in late winter/early spring of > '07. > > There are ongoing problems with my machine that they claim are > inherent to it and will not do anything to fix, since they are not > fixable. Yet the EA has been re-designed to avoid these issues. The Nuvera has a problem with environmental copy quality problems. This is why they stepped backwards and made the EA. The EA reverted back to the old style of toner/developer technology. The Nuvera uses the same technology that the iGen does however it is very sensitive to environment and toner (supply quality) issues. it comes down to the toner must be "fresh" (under 6 months old). All of the other problems (jams, paper trays, fuser, etc.) have been fixed and there are retrofits available to solve them. If they are not being solved lean on them hard. We had them replace a 4 year old Nuvera with a new upgraded Nuvera (not the ea) at their expense. The new one has all of the upgrades and none of the problems we had with the original one. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From armand at curryonline.com Mon Jun 2 15:01:35 2008 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Mon Jun 2 15:01:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help In-Reply-To: <8CA92F7728E47EC-11E0-E8@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA92F7728E47EC-11E0-E8@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <017101c8c4e3$146f5500$3d4dff00$@com> We use (on a daily basis) Accuzip (www.accuzip.com) Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing Auburn, ME 04210 armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:42 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have an order that requires a mail merge with a first class indicia.? What program can we use to pre sort the mailing with zip codes in correct order? ? Thanks in advance Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From john at duplicatesink.com Mon Jun 2 15:05:21 2008 From: john at duplicatesink.com (john@duplicatesink.com) Date: Mon Jun 2 15:07:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help In-Reply-To: <8CA92F7728E47EC-11E0-E8@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA92F7728E47EC-11E0-E8@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <904411577-1212433596-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1893248311-@bxe182.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Indesign Sent via BlackBerry from SunCom Wireless -----Original Message----- From: Tommy Melendez Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:41:47 To:printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have an order that requires a mail merge with a first class indicia.? What program can we use to pre sort the mailing with zip codes in correct order? ? Thanks in advance Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kevin at abfprints.com Mon Jun 2 15:12:50 2008 From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko) Date: Mon Jun 2 15:20:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Coated text for 6500 In-Reply-To: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B120CFAC@fpserver.FP.local> References: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B120CFAC@fpserver.FP.local> Message-ID: <006401c8c4e4$a752d3f0$1c00a8c0@abf.local> Futura Laser Kevin Danko Advantage Business Forms 102 N. Riverside Ave. Rialto, CA 92376 Phone: (909) 875-7163 Fax: (909) 875-7971 www.abfprints.com E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kirk Squiers Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 4:59 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Coated text for 6500 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** What are most of you having success with printing on 6500 or similar machines for a coated text? Ie... ease of printing,best quality for photos etc... All the best.. Kirk K. Squiers Central Michigan Graphics YOU THINK IT! WE INK IT! 1200 E. Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-332-2200 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com Standard turnaround time is 7-10 working days after final approval. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From rstor at copycats.com Mon Jun 2 15:22:02 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Mon Jun 2 15:23:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help In-Reply-To: <8CA92F7728E47EC-11E0-E8@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA92F7728E47EC-11E0-E8@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4844485A.3020306@copycats.com> Tommy, Do you have a First Class Pre-sort, or just a First Class mailing? If the former, you need not only a mailing program but you need to put it through NCOA. You will need not just pre-sorted addresses, but also tray labels and reports for the Post Office. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Tommy Melendez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have an order that requires a mail merge with a first class indicia.? What program can we use to pre sort the mailing with zip codes in correct order? ? > > Thanks in advance > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From copythatnyc at aol.com Mon Jun 2 15:28:55 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Mon Jun 2 15:29:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help In-Reply-To: <4844485A.3020306@copycats.com> References: <8CA92F7728E47EC-11E0-E8@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> <4844485A.3020306@copycats.com> Message-ID: <8CA92FE0864EC19-11E0-4E3@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> Just first class. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stor To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 3:22 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Tommy,? ? Do you have a First Class Pre-sort, or just a First Class mailing?? ? If the former, you need not only a mailing program but you need to put it through NCOA. You will need not just pre-sorted addresses, but also tray labels and reports for the Post Office.? ? Regards,? Bob Stor? Copycats? New York, NY? 212-557-2111 x20? www.copycats.com? ? Tommy Melendez wrote:? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > We have an order that requires a mail merge with a first class indicia.? What program can we use to pre sort the mailing with zip codes in correct order? ?? >? > Thanks in advance? >? >? > Copy That, Inc.? > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service"? > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue? > Bronx, N.Y. 10465? > 718.892.1859? > 718.892.2315 Fax? > www.copythatnyc.com? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? >? > _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Mon Jun 2 15:31:16 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Mon Jun 2 15:31:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Coated text for 6500 In-Reply-To: <006401c8c4e4$a752d3f0$1c00a8c0@abf.local> Message-ID: We have a 6060, and also use Futura for everything. I strongly recommend it. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Kevin Danko > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:12:50 -0700 > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Coated text for 6500 > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Futura Laser > > Kevin Danko > Advantage Business Forms > 102 N. Riverside Ave. > Rialto, CA 92376 > Phone: (909) 875-7163 > Fax: (909) 875-7971 > www.abfprints.com > E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kirk Squiers > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 4:59 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Coated text for 6500 > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What are most of you having success with printing on 6500 or similar > machines for a coated text? Ie... ease of printing,best quality for > photos etc... > > All the best.. > > > Kirk K. Squiers > Central Michigan Graphics > YOU THINK IT! WE INK IT! > 1200 E. Oakland > Lansing, Michigan 48906 > www.centralmichigangraphics.com > 517-332-2200 > kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com > > Standard turnaround time is 7-10 working days after final approval. > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From rstor at copycats.com Mon Jun 2 15:38:08 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Mon Jun 2 15:39:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help In-Reply-To: <8CA92FE0864EC19-11E0-4E3@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA92F7728E47EC-11E0-E8@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> <4844485A.3020306@copycats.com> <8CA92FE0864EC19-11E0-4E3@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <48444C20.5050308@copycats.com> Tommy, For straight First Class you don't need any kind of sort. Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Tommy Melendez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Just first class. > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Stor > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 3:22 pm > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? > ? > Tommy,? > ? > Do you have a First Class Pre-sort, or just a First Class mailing?? > ? > If the former, you need not only a mailing program but you need to put it through NCOA. You will need not just pre-sorted addresses, but also tray labels and reports for the Post Office.? > ? > Regards,? > Bob Stor? > Copycats? > New York, NY? > 212-557-2111 x20? > www.copycats.com? > ? > Tommy Melendez wrote:? > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >> ? >> We have an order that requires a mail merge with a first class indicia.? What program can we use to pre sort the mailing with zip codes in correct order? ?? >> ? >> Thanks in advance? >> ? >> ? >> Copy That, Inc.? >> "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service"? >> 3515 E. Tremont Avenue? >> Bronx, N.Y. 10465? >> 718.892.1859? >> 718.892.2315 Fax? >> www.copythatnyc.com? >> _______________________________________________? >> PrintOwners Discussion List? >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >> ? >> ? >> ? >> _______________________________________________? >> > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? > ? > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From armand at curryonline.com Mon Jun 2 15:47:57 2008 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Mon Jun 2 15:48:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help In-Reply-To: <8CA92F7728E47EC-11E0-E8@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA92F7728E47EC-11E0-E8@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <019e01c8c4e9$8e9606c0$abc21440$@com> Ooops. Didn't catch that this is a mail merge. Sorry. If the mail is not large (a few thousand pieces) you can do the mail merge in Word. A little slow but it works. Of course, this only works if you don't need to presort. We've also don't a presorted mail merge in Word. All you need to do is presort the list first (in a program like Accuzip) and then run it through Word. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing Auburn, ME 04210 armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:42 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have an order that requires a mail merge with a first class indicia.? What program can we use to pre sort the mailing with zip codes in correct order? ? Thanks in advance Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From rstor at copycats.com Mon Jun 2 16:59:03 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Mon Jun 2 17:00:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fedex dropping Kinko's name. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48445F17.1050906@copycats.com> My guess is that they will be migrating all their shops to the new small format, with office supplies. Less competition for us. Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com FedEx to drop Kinko's name, take $891M charge Monday June 2, 4:32 pm ET KinFedEx to stop using Kinko's name at its retail stores, take $891 million charge MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) -- FedEx plans to stop using the Kinko's name on its copy and office service stores and book an $891 million charge for the quarter that ended Saturday. The charge relates to a decision about the use of the Kinko's name and a write-down of the value of its acquisition of the brand. The charge, which works out to $2.22 a share, was not part of FedEx's earnings forecast. The company reports its financial results for the fiscal fourth quarter June 18. FedEx Corp. will change the name of its FedEx Kinko's stores to FedEx Office. The Memphis, Tenn., company says the new name "better describes the wide range of services available ... and takes full advantage of the FedEx brand." From slb at inkspot.net Mon Jun 2 18:13:36 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Jun 2 18:14:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Indesign trapping help Message-ID: <48443850.31951.57042AEA@slb.inkspot.net> I thought I'd specified a trap in a two-color logo in ID3, but it doesn't show on the printed separations. I exaggerated it (2pts of trap should be blazingly obvious on 18 pt type), and it still doesn't show. I'm sure I'm missing something really obvious. Any thoughts? TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From copythatnyc at aol.com Mon Jun 2 18:43:56 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Mon Jun 2 18:44:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help In-Reply-To: <48444C20.5050308@copycats.com> References: <8CA92F7728E47EC-11E0-E8@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> <4844485A.3020306@copycats.com> <8CA92FE0864EC19-11E0-4E3@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> <48444C20.5050308@copycats.com> Message-ID: <8CA931946867A21-11E0-116E@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> I just came back from main post office in the Bronx.? Was just told that we have wrong indicia to be able to mail out post cards for other companies.? I remember back in the day that it didn't matter who is on the mailing as long as you have money in the account.? Is this correct? Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stor To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 3:38 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Tommy,? ? For straight First Class you don't need any kind of sort.? ? Bob Stor? Copycats? New York, NY? 212-557-2111 x20? www.copycats.com? ? Tommy Melendez wrote:? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > Just first class.? >? >? > Copy That, Inc.? > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service"? > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue? > Bronx, N.Y. 10465? > 718.892.1859? > 718.892.2315 Fax? > www.copythatnyc.com? >? >? > -----Original Message-----? > From: Robert Stor ? > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only ? > Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 3:22 pm? > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help? >? >? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****?? > ?? > Tommy,?? > ?? > Do you have a First Class Pre-sort, or just a First Class mailing??? > ?? > If the former, you need not only a mailing program but you need to put it through NCOA. You will need not just pre-sorted addresses, but also tray labels and reports for the Post Office.?? > ?? > Regards,?? > Bob Stor?? > Copycats?? > New York, NY?? > 212-557-2111 x20?? > www.copycats.com?? > ?? > Tommy Melendez wrote:?? > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****?? >> ?? >> We have an order that requires a mail merge with a first class indicia.? What program can we use to pre sort the mailing with zip codes in correct order? ??? >> ?? >> Thanks in advance?? >> ?? >> ?? >> Copy That, Inc.?? >> "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service"?? >> 3515 E. Tremont Avenue?? >> Bronx, N.Y. 10465?? >> 718.892.1859?? >> 718.892.2315 Fax?? >> www.copythatnyc.com?? >> _______________________________________________?? >> PrintOwners Discussion List?? >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org?? >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners?? >> ?? >> ?? >> ?? >> _______________________________________________?? >> > PrintOwners Discussion List?? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org?? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners?? > ?? >? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? >? > _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From slb at inkspot.net Mon Jun 2 18:49:29 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Jun 2 18:49:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help In-Reply-To: <8CA931946867A21-11E0-116E@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA92F7728E47EC-11E0-E8@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com>, <48444C20.5050308@copycats.com>, <8CA931946867A21-11E0-116E@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <484440B9.30871.572504EF@slb.inkspot.net> What is the wording on your indicia, and what is the class of service? Steve 610-647-0776 > > I just came back from main post office in the Bronx.? Was just told > that we have wrong indicia to be able to mail out post cards for other > companies.? I remember back in the day that it didn't matter who is on > the mailing as long as you have money in the account.? Is this > correct? > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Stor > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 3:38 pm > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? > ? > Tommy,? > ? > For straight First Class you don't need any kind of sort.? > ? > Bob Stor? > Copycats? > New York, NY? > 212-557-2111 x20? > www.copycats.com? > ? > Tommy Melendez wrote:? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? > >? > > Just first class.? > >? > >? > > Copy That, Inc.? > > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service"? > > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue? > > Bronx, N.Y. 10465? > > 718.892.1859? > > 718.892.2315 Fax? > > www.copythatnyc.com? > >? > >? > > -----Original Message-----? > > From: Robert Stor ? > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only ? > > Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 3:22 pm? > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help? > >? > >? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****?? > > ?? > > Tommy,?? > > ?? > > Do you have a First Class Pre-sort, or just a First Class mailing??? > > ?? > > If the former, you need not only a mailing program but you need to put it through NCOA. You will need not just pre-sorted addresses, but also tray labels and reports for the Post Office.?? > > ?? > > Regards,?? > > Bob Stor?? > > Copycats?? > > New York, NY?? > > 212-557-2111 x20?? > > www.copycats.com?? > > ?? > > Tommy Melendez wrote:?? > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****?? > >> ?? > >> We have an order that requires a mail merge with a first class indicia.? What program can we use to pre sort the mailing with zip codes in correct order? ??? > >> ?? > >> Thanks in advance?? > >> ?? > >> ?? > >> Copy That, Inc.?? > >> "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service"?? > >> 3515 E. Tremont Avenue?? > >> Bronx, N.Y. 10465?? > >> 718.892.1859?? > >> 718.892.2315 Fax?? > >> www.copythatnyc.com?? > >> _______________________________________________?? > >> PrintOwners Discussion List?? > >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org?? > >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners?? > >> ?? > >> ?? > >> ?? > >> _______________________________________________?? > >> > PrintOwners Discussion List?? > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org?? > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners?? > > ?? > >? > > _______________________________________________? > > PrintOwners Discussion List? > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? > >? > >? > >? > > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? > ? > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3153 (20080602) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From championprinting at yahoo.com Mon Jun 2 18:59:34 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Mon Jun 2 18:59:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help Message-ID: <437021.24018.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Why was it wrong? Maybe if you explained what you were doing and what the indicia said we could help you better understand. I suspect at least half the posters on this list do not know what the definition of a post card is (according to the USPS). Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Tommy Melendez To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Monday, June 2, 2008 6:43:56 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I just came back from main post office in the Bronx.? Was just told that we have wrong indicia to be able to mail out post cards for other companies.? I remember back in the day that it didn't matter who is on the mailing as long as you have money in the account.? Is this correct? Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com From copythatnyc at aol.com Mon Jun 2 19:05:01 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Mon Jun 2 19:05:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help In-Reply-To: <484440B9.30871.572504EF@slb.inkspot.net> References: <8CA92F7728E47EC-11E0-E8@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com>, <48444C20.5050308@copycats.com>, <8CA931946867A21-11E0-116E@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> <484440B9.30871.572504EF@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <8CA931C379B30EA-11E0-1263@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> What is the wording on your indicia, and what is the class of service? FIRST-CLASS MAIL U.S. POSTAGE PAID BRONX N.Y. PERMIT# Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com ? From copythatnyc at aol.com Mon Jun 2 19:09:24 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Mon Jun 2 19:09:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help In-Reply-To: <437021.24018.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <437021.24018.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CA931CD55C2387-11E0-1298@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> tHIS IS TRUE? : )? I sat with them on Fri for 1??? Explained everything I was doing & what I needed it for.? The $360 I paid is nothing compared to mail merge & printing 7063 pieces? I just want to know if your not allowed to use your number to mail out for other clients.? I used to send it out to a mail house in Queens, but not sure what type of permit.? Is there a type of permit that will allows you to use your number in future mailings for customers? if not I better change my PERMIT? : ) Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Ted Gelletly To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 6:59 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Why was it wrong? Maybe if you explained what you were doing and what the ndicia said we could help you better understand. I suspect at least half the osters on this list do not know what the definition of a post card is according to the USPS). Ted Gelletly hampion Printing 401 New Expansion Drive ldersburg MD 21784 10-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ed@championprintingonline.com ---- Original Message ---- rom: Tommy Melendez o: printowners@printweb.org ent: Monday, June 2, 2008 6:43:56 PM ubject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I just came back from main post office in the Bronx.? Was just told that we have rong indicia to be able to mail out post cards for other companies.? I remember ack in the day that it didn't matter who is on the mailing as long as you have oney in the account.? Is this correct? opy That, Inc. Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 515 E. Tremont Avenue ronx, N.Y. 10465 18.892.1859 18.892.2315 Fax ww.copythatnyc.com _______________________________________________ rintOwners Discussion List ost: PrintOwners@printweb.org nfo: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From si at ria.net Mon Jun 2 19:17:50 2008 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Mon Jun 2 19:18:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help In-Reply-To: <8CA931C379B30EA-11E0-1263@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA92F7728E47EC-11E0-E8@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> <48444C20.5050308@copycats.com> <8CA931946867A21-11E0-116E@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> <484440B9.30871.572504EF@slb.inkspot.net> <8CA931C379B30EA-11E0-1263@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20080602161621.31F98412@sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net> Hey Tommy -- Is the permit you are attempting to use one that was purchased by your firm (Copy That, Inc.), or are you attempting to use some other entity's permit number and indicia? Doug Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From sos at olympus.net Mon Jun 2 19:31:09 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Jun 2 19:31:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help References: <8CA92F7728E47EC-11E0-E8@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> <4844485A.3020306@copycats.com> <8CA92FE0864EC19-11E0-4E3@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com><48444C20.5050308@copycats.com> <8CA931946867A21-11E0-116E@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <07d101c8c508$bce23250$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Melendez" > I just came back from main post office in the Bronx.? Was just told that > we have wrong indicia to be able to mail out post cards for other > companies.? I remember back in the day that it didn't matter who is on the > mailing as long as you have money in the account.? Is this correct? ============================ You probably have a standard rate (bulk) mail permit. It sounded like you were mailing a first class postcard. That takes a first class permit. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From tradeprint at frontiernet.net Mon Jun 2 20:52:42 2008 From: tradeprint at frontiernet.net (Robert Cashimere) Date: Mon Jun 2 20:52:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Indesign trapping help In-Reply-To: <48443850.31951.57042AEA@slb.inkspot.net> References: <48443850.31951.57042AEA@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <484495DA.9030304@frontiernet.net> > Steve Blatman wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I thought I'd specified a trap in a two-color logo in ID3, but it >> doesn't show on the printed separations. I exaggerated it (2pts of >> trap should be blazingly obvious on 18 pt type), and it still doesn't >> show. I'm sure I'm missing something really obvious. Any thoughts Steve, I believe if you read the fine print in InDesign's help, you'll find that it only traps PDF files - not eps. This is in contrast to Adobe In-Rip trapping which pretty much does just the opposite (at least in older versions). So, if your logo is a placed eps file, open it in Acrobat and make a PDF out of it. Then place it into InDesign (either embedded in another PDF or as part of an ID3 layout) and go from there. We use ID3 as our trapping engine quite successfully. Since we have a 100% PDF workflow, we simply (1) place the final composite PDF into an ID template of the same size, (2) apply a trap preset (we've predefined thin, default, and thick trapping presets), and (3) print to a new PDF using the output "separations" and "Application Built-In" trapping. The resulting PDF contains the plate seps, and we can easily see the added traps using Pitstop's Wireframe mode. Works like a charm for us. Rob Tradeprint Rochester, NY From slb at inkspot.net Mon Jun 2 21:24:00 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Jun 2 21:24:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Indesign trapping help In-Reply-To: <484495DA.9030304@frontiernet.net> References: <48443850.31951.57042AEA@slb.inkspot.net>, <484495DA.9030304@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <484464F0.19000.57B27B96@slb.inkspot.net> Thanks. I was trying to get the ->pathfinder -> trapping to work, with no success. I ended up adding a stroke of double the width of the trap, and setting it to overprint. I was trapping yellow type in a black box, so that did it. It always amazes me how long it takes me to do relatively simple prepress tasks when our regular guy takes vacation time... Steve > >> > >> I thought I'd specified a trap in a two-color logo in ID3, but it > >> doesn't show on the printed separations. I exaggerated it (2pts of > >> trap should be blazingly obvious on 18 pt type), and it still doesn't > >> show. I'm sure I'm missing something really obvious. Any thoughts > > > Steve, > > I believe if you read the fine print in InDesign's help, you'll find > that it only > traps PDF files - not eps. This is in contrast to Adobe In-Rip trapping > which > pretty much does just the opposite (at least in older versions). > > So, if your logo is a placed eps file, open it in Acrobat and make a PDF > out of it. > Then place it into InDesign (either embedded in another PDF or as part > of an ID3 > layout) and go from there. > > We use ID3 as our trapping engine quite successfully. > Since we have a 100% PDF workflow, we simply (1) place the final composite > PDF into an ID template of the same size, (2) apply a trap preset (we've > predefined thin, default, > and thick trapping presets), and (3) print to a new PDF using the output > "separations" and "Application > Built-In" trapping. The resulting PDF contains the plate seps, and we > can easily see > the added traps using Pitstop's Wireframe mode. > > Works like a charm for us. > > Rob > Tradeprint > Rochester, NY > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3153 (20080602) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From rick at jmjprinting.com Mon Jun 2 21:33:44 2008 From: rick at jmjprinting.com (Rick Foster) Date: Mon Jun 2 21:28:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Closing shop - Equipment for sale In-Reply-To: <770928.77092.qm@web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <770928.77092.qm@web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey fellow PrintOwners, We have decided to get out of the printing business and have started selling off the equipment. We will be closing our doors July 1st and would like all of this gone before the end of the month. Here is a short list of some equipment still needing a new home. Make offer! Itek 3985 with Kompac II Challenge 305 programmable cutter, model MPC, with 3 extra blades. Mitsubishi CP-150V Baum folder, floor model, 14 x 20, right angle, pile feed NuArc fliptop plate maker FT32V3UP Miehle Vertical 50, with lots of lumber, 2 numbering heads, and assorted dies. Pallet Jack Also a vertical camera and darkroom sinks if you have a museum that needs a donation. :) All equipment is located in Snohomish WA 98290, buyer to arrange shipping. Needs to be moved by July 1st (unless otherwise arranged). -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From championprinting at yahoo.com Mon Jun 2 21:44:40 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Mon Jun 2 21:44:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help Message-ID: <587796.92375.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dan may be on to something. We have both a First Class and a Standard Mail permit. They are *not* interchangeable. BTW, I did not see anything wrong with your indicia. It is perfectly acceptable for a non sorted First Class mailing ($.27 per piece for post cards) of 500 pieces or more?no matter what?company you are mailing them for. Is Dan correct?? ?Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Dan Huntingford To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Monday, June 2, 2008 7:31:09 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Melendez" > I just came back from main post office in the Bronx.? Was just told that > we have wrong indicia to be able to mail out post cards for other > companies.? I remember back in the day that it didn't matter who is on the > mailing as long as you have money in the account.? Is this correct? ============================ You probably have a standard rate (bulk) mail permit.? It sounded like you were mailing a first class postcard.? That takes a first class permit. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194? Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From scott at usacolor.com Tue Jun 3 00:05:59 2008 From: scott at usacolor.com (Scott Balsiger) Date: Tue Jun 3 00:06:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] arm stuck in press In-Reply-To: <587796.92375.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <587796.92375.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4844C327.1050702@usacolor.com> This is a good video to show your production staff or just to remind yourself about being careful where you put your fingers! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVkotQ-We88 Scott Balsiger President USA Color Printing Inc. www.usacolor.com 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN. 56601 218-759-9126 800-759-9126 218-556-5505(Cell) 218-759-2883(fax) > From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Jun 3 09:15:56 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Jun 3 09:16:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help In-Reply-To: <20080602161621.31F98412@sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net> References: <8CA92F7728E47EC-11E0-E8@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> <48444C20.5050308@copycats.com> <8CA931946867A21-11E0-116E@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> <484440B9.30871.572504EF@slb.inkspot.net> <8CA931C379B30EA-11E0-1263@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> <20080602161621.31F98412@sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <8CA939317C62EA0-11E0-2C8F@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> Copy Thats Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Doug Shelton To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 7:17 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Hey Tommy --? ? Is the permit you are attempting to use one that? was purchased by your firm (Copy That, Inc.), or? are you attempting to use some other entity's? permit number and indicia?? ? Doug? ? Doug Shelton? Superior Impressions, Inc.? Toledo, Ohio? mailto:si@ria.net ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Jun 3 09:17:02 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Jun 3 09:17:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help In-Reply-To: <07d101c8c508$bce23250$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <8CA92F7728E47EC-11E0-E8@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> <4844485A.3020306@copycats.com> <8CA92FE0864EC19-11E0-4E3@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com><48444C20.5050308@copycats.com> <8CA931946867A21-11E0-116E@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> <07d101c8c508$bce23250$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <8CA93933EC9583B-11E0-2CA2@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> Yes first class permit & mailing out customer's post cards.? I guess this is not allowed Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Dan Huntingford To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 7:31 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Melendez" ? ? > I just came back from main post office in the Bronx.? Was just told that > we have wrong indicia to be able to mail out post cards for other > companies.? I remember back in the day that it didn't matter who is on the > mailing as long as you have money in the account.? Is this correct?? ============================? ? You probably have a standard rate (bulk) mail permit. It sounded like you were mailing a first class postcard. That takes a first class permit.? ? Dan Huntingford? SOS Printing? 2319 Washington Street? Port Townsend, WA 98368? Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF? sos@olympus.net? (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 3 09:25:24 2008 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Tue Jun 3 09:22:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help References: <437021.24018.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CA931CD55C2387-11E0-1298@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <002301c8c57d$48608c90$0301a8c0@Leah> We use our permit # to mail for other clients. The paper work identifies us and the client for whom the mailing is being processed. So far, So good. Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Melendez" To: Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** tHIS IS TRUE : ) I sat with them on Fri for 1? Explained everything I was doing & what I needed it for. The $360 I paid is nothing compared to mail merge & printing 7063 pieces I just want to know if your not allowed to use your number to mail out for other clients. I used to send it out to a mail house in Queens, but not sure what type of permit. Is there a type of permit that will allows you to use your number in future mailings for customers if not I better change my PERMIT : ) Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Ted Gelletly To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 6:59 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Why was it wrong? Maybe if you explained what you were doing and what the ndicia said we could help you better understand. I suspect at least half the osters on this list do not know what the definition of a post card is according to the USPS). Ted Gelletly hampion Printing 401 New Expansion Drive ldersburg MD 21784 10-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ed@championprintingonline.com ---- Original Message ---- rom: Tommy Melendez o: printowners@printweb.org ent: Monday, June 2, 2008 6:43:56 PM ubject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I just came back from main post office in the Bronx.? Was just told that we have rong indicia to be able to mail out post cards for other companies.? I remember ack in the day that it didn't matter who is on the mailing as long as you have oney in the account.? Is this correct? opy That, Inc. Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 515 E. Tremont Avenue ronx, N.Y. 10465 18.892.1859 18.892.2315 Fax ww.copythatnyc.com _______________________________________________ rintOwners Discussion List ost: PrintOwners@printweb.org nfo: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Jun 3 09:22:50 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Jun 3 09:23:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help In-Reply-To: <587796.92375.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <587796.92375.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CA93940E1F742C-11E0-2D10@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> Hey Ted not sorting here.? Just want to be able to print & mail for client w/indicia.? Is there such a permit which will allow you to do this Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Ted Gelletly To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 9:44 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dan may be on to something. We have both a First Class and a Standard Mail permit. They are *not* interchangeable. BTW, I did not see anything wrong with your indicia. It is perfectly acceptable for a non sorted First Class mailing ($.27 per piece for post cards) of 500 pieces or more?no matter what?company you are mailing them for. Is Dan correct?? ?Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Dan Huntingford To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Monday, June 2, 2008 7:31:09 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Melendez" > I just came back from main post office in the Bronx.? Was just told that > we have wrong indicia to be able to mail out post cards for other > companies.? I remember back in the day that it didn't matter who is on the > mailing as long as you have money in the account.? Is this correct? ============================ You probably have a standard rate (bulk) mail permit.? It sounded like you were mailing a first class postcard.? That takes a first class permit. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194? Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Jun 3 09:35:03 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Jun 3 09:35:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] arm stuck in press In-Reply-To: <4844C327.1050702@usacolor.com> References: <587796.92375.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4844C327.1050702@usacolor.com> Message-ID: <8CA9395C37DD241-11E0-2E23@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> Freaked me out the first time I saw that.? We all must of had that situation before, when your cleaning the rollers & then swish, that rag that just got caught in the rollers & you just let go of it just in the nick of time.? And I'm just talking about a small press.? Safety in a shop is ___________________ Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Balsiger To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 12:05 am Subject: [PrintOwners] arm stuck in press ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? This is a good video to show your production staff or just to remind yourself about being careful where you put your fingers!? ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVkotQ-We88? ? Scott Balsiger President? USA Color Printing Inc.? www.usacolor.com? 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN. 56601? 218-759-9126? 800-759-9126? 218-556-5505(Cell)? 218-759-2883(fax)? ? ? > _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Jun 3 09:37:32 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Jun 3 09:37:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help In-Reply-To: <002301c8c57d$48608c90$0301a8c0@Leah> References: <437021.24018.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CA931CD55C2387-11E0-1298@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> <002301c8c57d$48608c90$0301a8c0@Leah> Message-ID: <8CA93961B7FF1C7-11E0-2E52@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> Hey Austin.? What I got out of this, is that I can have one alias in which I can mail for & any other I would have to get another permit. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Havens Printing and Copy Shop To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 9:25 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? We use our permit # to mail for other clients. The paper work identifies us and the client for whom the mailing is being processed.? So far, So good.? ? Austin Havens, Owner? Havens Printing & Copy Shop? 200 N Main? McPherson, KS 67460? 620-241-5400? ahavens@sbcglobal.net? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Melendez" ? To: ? Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 6:09 PM? Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help? ? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? tHIS IS TRUE : ) I sat with them on Fri for 1? Explained everything I was doing & what I needed it for. The $360 I paid is nothing compared to mail merge & printing 7063 pieces I just want to know if your not allowed to use your number to mail out for other clients. I used to send it out to a mail house in Queens, but not sure what type of permit. Is there a type of permit that will allows you to use your number in future mailings for customers if not I better change my PERMIT : )? ? ? Copy That, Inc.? "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service"? 3515 E. Tremont Avenue? Bronx, N.Y. 10465? 718.892.1859? 718.892.2315 Fax? www.copythatnyc.com? ? -----Original Message-----? From: Ted Gelletly ? To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only ? Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 6:59 pm? Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help? ? ? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? Why was it wrong? Maybe if you explained what you were doing and what the? ndicia said we could help you better understand. I suspect at least half the? osters on this list do not know what the definition of a post card is? according to the USPS).? Ted Gelletly? hampion Printing? 401 New Expansion Drive? ldersburg MD 21784? 10-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488? ed@championprintingonline.com? ? ---- Original Message ----? rom: Tommy Melendez ? o: printowners@printweb.org? ent: Monday, June 2, 2008 6:43:56 PM? ubject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? I just came back from main post office in the Bronx.? Was just told that we have? rong indicia to be able to mail out post cards for other companies.? I remember? ack in the day that it didn't matter who is on the mailing as long as you have? oney in the account.? Is this correct?? ? opy That, Inc.? Where the only thing you can't copy is our service"? 515 E. Tremont Avenue? ronx, N.Y. 10465? 18.892.1859? 18.892.2315 Fax? ww.copythatnyc.com? _______________________________________________? rintOwners Discussion List? ost: PrintOwners@printweb.org? nfo: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? From championprinting at yahoo.com Tue Jun 3 10:01:45 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Tue Jun 3 10:01:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help Message-ID: <341561.86934.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Someone is jerking your chain. As a mailer, you can mail for anyone you want. Your info goes in the upper right side box, your customers info goes in the upper left box. It's as simple as that unless there is a new rule. I think the clerk was just uninformed. I suspect most mailers will agree that it is important to establish a working relationship with the PO people you will be dealing with on a regular basis. They can be a great asset when you goof (if ever) by allowing special exceptions which they call "printer's error". Sounds like you need to go on a "good will mission". Good luck. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Tommy Melendez To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2008 9:22:50 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hey Ted not sorting here.? Just want to be able to print & mail for client w/indicia.? Is there such a permit which will allow you to do this Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Ted Gelletly To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 9:44 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dan may be on to something. We have both a First Class and a Standard Mail permit. They are *not* interchangeable. BTW, I did not see anything wrong with your indicia. It is perfectly acceptable for a non sorted First Class mailing ($.27 per piece for post cards) of 500 pieces or more?no matter what?company you are mailing them for. Is Dan correct?? ?Ted Gelletly From rstor at copycats.com Tue Jun 3 10:02:05 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Tue Jun 3 10:03:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help In-Reply-To: <8CA93961B7FF1C7-11E0-2E52@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> References: <437021.24018.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CA931CD55C2387-11E0-1298@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> <002301c8c57d$48608c90$0301a8c0@Leah> <8CA93961B7FF1C7-11E0-2E52@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <48454EDD.10003@copycats.com> Tommy, We do mailings all the time, for customers on our indicia, for customers on their indicia, and any other combination. There is no problem. Call 212-330-4230 or 212-330-4256 This is the Mailing Requirements desk at the JAF Post Office (the main one on 33rd St) and explain to them what you are doing. I have a feeling that you were misinformed. Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Tommy Melendez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hey Austin. What I got out of this, is that I can have one alias in which I can mail for & any other I would have to get another permit. > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Havens Printing and Copy Shop > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 9:25 am > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We use our permit # to mail for other clients. The paper work identifies us and the client for whom the mailing is being processed. > So far, So good. > > Austin Havens, Owner > Havens Printing & Copy Shop > 200 N Main > McPherson, KS 67460 > 620-241-5400 > ahavens@sbcglobal.net > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Melendez" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 6:09 PM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > tHIS IS TRUE : ) I sat with them on Fri for 1? Explained everything I was doing & what I needed it for. The $360 I paid is nothing compared to mail merge & printing 7063 pieces I just want to know if your not allowed to use your number to mail out for other clients. I used to send it out to a mail house in Queens, but not sure what type of permit. Is there a type of permit that will allows you to use your number in future mailings for customers if not I better change my PERMIT : ) > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ted Gelletly > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 6:59 pm > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Why was it wrong? Maybe if you explained what you were doing and what the > ndicia said we could help you better understand. I suspect at least half the > osters on this list do not know what the definition of a post card is > according to the USPS). > Ted Gelletly > hampion Printing > 401 New Expansion Drive > ldersburg MD 21784 > 10-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 > ed@championprintingonline.com > > ---- Original Message ---- > rom: Tommy Melendez > o: printowners@printweb.org > ent: Monday, June 2, 2008 6:43:56 PM > ubject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > I just came back from main post office in the Bronx.? Was just told that we have > rong indicia to be able to mail out post cards for other companies.? I remember > ack in the day that it didn't matter who is on the mailing as long as you have > oney in the account.? Is this correct? > > opy That, Inc. > Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 515 E. Tremont Avenue > ronx, N.Y. 10465 > 18.892.1859 > 18.892.2315 Fax > ww.copythatnyc.com > _______________________________________________ > rintOwners Discussion List > ost: PrintOwners@printweb.org > nfo: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From slb at inkspot.net Tue Jun 3 10:11:50 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Jun 3 10:12:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] arm stuck in press In-Reply-To: <4844C327.1050702@usacolor.com> References: <587796.92375.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <4844C327.1050702@usacolor.com> Message-ID: <484518E6.16646.5A717463@slb.inkspot.net> That looks like a Heidelberg S-press. We had one, and it had all kinds of safety guards and shutoffs on it. It still was a behemoth to run.... Back when we had two press operators, the woman who ran our small presses at the time played a prank on the guy who ran the Heidelbergs. When he was on vacation, she took a pair of her jeans, stuffed them with newspaper, put sneakers on the ends of the legs, and arranged the lot on the feedboard, so the waist of the jeans was at the headstops. It got a big laugh when he came back, but, obviously, only because we all knew it was a joke. There's a reason for all those safety guards on a press. Even a small one can do a number on a hand.... Steve > > This is a good video to show your production staff or just to remind > yourself about being careful where you put your fingers! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVkotQ-We88 > > Scott Balsiger President > USA Color Printing Inc. > www.usacolor.com > 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN. 56601 > 218-759-9126 > 800-759-9126 > 218-556-5505(Cell) > 218-759-2883(fax) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3154 (20080603) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Jun 3 10:17:04 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Jun 3 10:17:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help In-Reply-To: <341561.86934.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <341561.86934.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CA939BA1F4BEE8-1090-11E@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> I acted cool calm & collective.??Especially when I have three more runs for this client.? I did the OK thing with them? OK' d everything they said??Even though inside my gut?I was raging?? : )?? Father was a Post master, worked 33 yrs or something like that for them.? Had that in the back of my mind also. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Ted Gelletly To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:01 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Someone is jerking your chain. As a mailer, you can mail for anyone you want. Your info goes in the upper right side box, your customers info goes in the upper left box. It's as simple as that unless there is a new rule. I think the clerk was just uninformed. I suspect most mailers will agree that it is important to establish a working relationship with the PO people you will be dealing with on a regular basis. They can be a great asset when you goof (if ever) by allowing special exceptions which they call "printer's error". Sounds like you need to go on a "good will mission". Good luck. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Tommy Melendez To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2008 9:22:50 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hey Ted not sorting here.? Just want to be able to print & mail for client w/indicia.? Is there such a permit which will allow you to do this Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Ted Gelletly To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 9:44 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dan may be on to something. We have both a First Class and a Standard Mail permit. They are *not* interchangeable. BTW, I did not see anything wrong with your indicia. It is perfectly acceptable for a non sorted First Class mailing ($.27 per piece for post cards) of 500 pieces or more?no matter what?company you are mailing them for. Is Dan correct?? ?Ted Gelletly _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Jun 3 10:25:41 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Jun 3 10:25:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help In-Reply-To: <48454EDD.10003@copycats.com> References: <437021.24018.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CA931CD55C2387-11E0-1298@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> <002301c8c57d$48608c90$0301a8c0@Leah> <8CA93961B7FF1C7-11E0-2E52@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> <48454EDD.10003@copycats.com> Message-ID: <8CA939CD50B60EA-1090-1C2@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> Hey there Bob.? That's what I am thinking.? I mean back in the day, that was a big part of our business.? 85' - 92'? I can't imagine getting different permits for different customers? Thanks BOB Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stor To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:02 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Tommy,? ? We do mailings all the time, for customers on our indicia, for customers on their indicia, and any other combination. There is no problem. Call 212-330-4230 or 212-330-4256 This is the Mailing Requirements desk at the JAF Post Office (the main one on 33rd St) and explain to them what you are doing.? ? I have a feeling that you were misinformed.? ? Bob Stor? Copycats? New York, NY? 212-557-2111 x20? www.copycats.com? ? Tommy Melendez wrote:? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > Hey Austin. What I got out of this, is that I can have one alias in which I can mail for & any other I would have to get another permit.? >? >? > Copy That, Inc.? > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service"? > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue? > Bronx, N.Y. 10465? > 718.892.1859? > 718.892.2315 Fax? > www.copythatnyc.com? >? >? > -----Original Message-----? > From: Havens Printing and Copy Shop ? > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only ? > Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 9:25 am? > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help? >? >? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We use our permit # to mail for other clients. The paper work identifies us and the client for whom the mailing is being processed. > So far, So good. > > Austin Havens, Owner > Havens Printing & Copy Shop > 200 N Main > McPherson, KS 67460 > 620-241-5400 > ahavens@sbcglobal.net > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Melendez" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 6:09 PM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > tHIS IS TRUE : ) I sat with them on Fri for 1? Explained everything I was doing & what I needed it for. The $360 I paid is nothing compared to mail merge & printing 7063 pieces I just want to know if your not allowed to use your number to mail out for other clients. I used to send it out to a mail house in Queens, but not sure what type of permit. Is there a type of permit that will allows you to use your number in future mailings for customers if not I better change my PERMIT : ) > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ted Gelletly > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 6:59 pm > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Why was it wrong? Maybe if you explained what you were doing and what the > ndicia said we could help you better understand. I suspect at least half the > osters on this list do not know what the definition of a post card is > according to the USPS). > Ted Gelletly > hampion Printing > 401 New Expansion Drive > ldersburg MD 21784 > 10-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 > ed@championprintingonline.com > > ---- Original Message ---- > rom: Tommy Melendez > o: printowners@printweb.org > ent: Monday, June 2, 2008 6:43:56 PM > ubject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > I just came back from main post office in the Bronx.? Was just told that we have > rong indicia to be able to mail out post cards for other companies.? I remember > ack in the day that it didn't matter who is on the mailing as long as you have > oney in the account.? Is this correct? > > opy That, Inc. > Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 515 E. Tremont Avenue > ronx, N.Y. 10465 > 18.892.1859 > 18.892.2315 Fax > ww.copythatnyc.com > _______________________________________________ > rintOwners Discussion List > ost: PrintOwners@printweb.org > nfo: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? >? > _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Tue Jun 3 10:32:24 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Tue Jun 3 10:33:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help In-Reply-To: <437021.24018.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <437021.24018.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <484555F8.40808@satx.rr.com> Well gee, that would be a flat single sheet item measuring no less than 3? X 5 and no more the 4? X 6 with a thickness of no less than 7 points. Anything larger is considered a letter and must be at least 9 point s thick. Close enough? Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Ted Gelletly wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Why was it wrong? Maybe if you explained what you were doing and what the indicia said we could help you better understand. I suspect at least half the posters on this list do not know what the definition of a post card is (according to the USPS). > > Ted Gelletly > Champion Printing > 5401 New Expansion Drive > Eldersburg MD 21784 > 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 > ted@championprintingonline.com > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Tommy Melendez > To: printowners@printweb.org > Sent: Monday, June 2, 2008 6:43:56 PM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I just came back from main post office in the Bronx.? Was just told that we have wrong indicia to be able to mail out post cards for other companies.? I remember back in the day that it didn't matter who is on the mailing as long as you have money in the account.? Is this correct? > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 3 11:12:09 2008 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Tue Jun 3 11:09:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help References: <437021.24018.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CA931CD55C2387-11E0-1298@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com><002301c8c57d$48608c90$0301a8c0@Leah> <8CA93961B7FF1C7-11E0-2E52@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <006c01c8c58c$32407ec0$0301a8c0@Leah> We have ONE permit number. We pay an annual fee to mail First Class Presort and one annual fee to mail Standard Presort. We mail our own material under either class of postage. We also mail material for our customers under the same permit using either the First Class imprint or the Standard imprint. We always use First Class Presort for postcards. If you use Standard for postcards, the fee is higher than the regular postcard fee because it is figured as Standard Presort "Letter" rate. Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Melendez" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hey Austin. What I got out of this, is that I can have one alias in which I can mail for & any other I would have to get another permit. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Havens Printing and Copy Shop To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 9:25 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We use our permit # to mail for other clients. The paper work identifies us and the client for whom the mailing is being processed. So far, So good. Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Melendez" To: Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** tHIS IS TRUE : ) I sat with them on Fri for 1? Explained everything I was doing & what I needed it for. The $360 I paid is nothing compared to mail merge & printing 7063 pieces I just want to know if your not allowed to use your number to mail out for other clients. I used to send it out to a mail house in Queens, but not sure what type of permit. Is there a type of permit that will allows you to use your number in future mailings for customers if not I better change my PERMIT : ) Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Ted Gelletly To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 6:59 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Why was it wrong? Maybe if you explained what you were doing and what the ndicia said we could help you better understand. I suspect at least half the osters on this list do not know what the definition of a post card is according to the USPS). Ted Gelletly hampion Printing 401 New Expansion Drive ldersburg MD 21784 10-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ed@championprintingonline.com ---- Original Message ---- rom: Tommy Melendez o: printowners@printweb.org ent: Monday, June 2, 2008 6:43:56 PM ubject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I just came back from main post office in the Bronx.? Was just told that we have rong indicia to be able to mail out post cards for other companies.? I remember ack in the day that it didn't matter who is on the mailing as long as you have oney in the account.? Is this correct? opy That, Inc. Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 515 E. Tremont Avenue ronx, N.Y. 10465 18.892.1859 18.892.2315 Fax ww.copythatnyc.com _______________________________________________ rintOwners Discussion List ost: PrintOwners@printweb.org nfo: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Tue Jun 3 11:19:02 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Tue Jun 3 11:19:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: RE: Mailing help In-Reply-To: <20080603012850.F0F99F68195@rb.enter.net> References: <20080603012850.F0F99F68195@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Can I suggest the following website? Try the Quick Service Guide 'QSG PDF file approximately 6 MB'. It really is informative, not just for you, but also for your USPS Bulk Mail Entry clerk who might not be the most knowledgable about the rules. The Domestic Mail Manual (DMM) is the rule book and trumps (what an expression to use on this list when it comes to Dennis' mailing expertise!) any employee's opinion. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Melendez" > > >> I just came back from main post office in the Bronx.? Was just told >> that we have wrong indicia to be able to mail out post cards for >> other companies.? I remember back in the day that it didn't matter >> who is on the mailing as long as you have money in the account.? Is >> this correct? > ============================ > > You probably have a standard rate (bulk) mail permit. It sounded > like you were mailing a first class postcard. That takes a first > class permit. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Jun 3 11:24:41 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Jun 3 11:24:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help In-Reply-To: <006c01c8c58c$32407ec0$0301a8c0@Leah> References: <437021.24018.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CA931CD55C2387-11E0-1298@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com><002301c8c57d$48608c90$0301a8c0@Leah> <8CA93961B7FF1C7-11E0-2E52@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> <006c01c8c58c$32407ec0$0301a8c0@Leah> Message-ID: <8CA93A5129215F1-1090-6E0@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> I'm in the process of rebuilding product knowledge, so before I purchase any mailing equipment and software? I want everyone to learn the process? I'll complain once the complete mailing is done? After that I'll forge ahead?& try to speak to the head instead of the _________ Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Havens Printing and Copy Shop To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 11:12 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? We have ONE permit number. We pay an annual fee to mail First Class Presort and one annual fee to mail Standard Presort.? We mail our own material under either class of postage. We also mail material for our customers under the same permit using either the First Class imprint or the Standard imprint.? We always use First Class Presort for postcards. If you use Standard for postcards, the fee is higher than the regular postcard fee because it is figured as Standard Presort "Letter" rate.? ? Austin Havens, Owner? Havens Printing & Copy Shop? 200 N Main? McPherson, KS 67460? 620-241-5400? ahavens@sbcglobal.net? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Melendez" ? To: ? Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:37 AM? Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help? ? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Hey Austin. What I got out of this, is that I can have one alias in which I can mail for & any other I would have to get another permit.? ? Copy That, Inc.? "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service"? 3515 E. Tremont Avenue? Bronx, N.Y. 10465? 718.892.1859? 718.892.2315 Fax? www.copythatnyc.com? ? -----Original Message-----? From: Havens Printing and Copy Shop ? To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only ? Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 9:25 am? Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help? ? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? We use our permit # to mail for other clients. The paper work identifies us and the client for whom the mailing is being processed.? So far, So good.? ? Austin Havens, Owner? Havens Printing & Copy Shop? 200 N Main? McPherson, KS 67460? 620-241-5400? ahavens@sbcglobal.net? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Melendez" ? To: ? Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 6:09 PM? Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help? ? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? tHIS IS TRUE : ) I sat with them on Fri for 1? Explained everything I was doing & what I needed it for. The $360 I paid is nothing compared to mail merge & printing 7063 pieces I just want to know if your not allowed to use your number to mail out for other clients. I used to send it out to a mail house in Queens, but not sure what type of permit. Is there a type of permit that will allows you to use your number in future mailings for customers if not I better change my PERMIT : )? ? Copy That, Inc.? "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service"? 3515 E. Tremont Avenue? Bronx, N.Y. 10465? 718.892.1859? 718.892.2315 Fax? www.copythatnyc.com? ? -----Original Message----- From: Ted Gelletly ? To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only ? Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 6:59 pm? Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help? ? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? Why was it wrong? Maybe if you explained what you were doing and what the? ndicia said we could help you better understand. I suspect at least half the? osters on this list do not know what the definition of a post card is? according to the USPS).? Ted Gelletly? hampion Printing? 401 New Expansion Drive? ldersburg MD 21784? 10-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488? ed@championprintingonline.com? ? ---- Original Message ---- rom: Tommy Melendez ? o: printowners@printweb.org? ent: Monday, June 2, 2008 6:43:56 PM? ubject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? I just came back from main post office in the Bronx.? Was just told that we have? rong indicia to be able to mail out post cards for other companies.? I remember? ack in the day that it didn't matter who is on the mailing as long as you have? oney in the account.? Is this correct?? ? opy That, Inc.? Where the only thing you can't copy is our service"? 515 E. Tremont Avenue? ronx, N.Y. 10465? 18.892.1859? 18.892.2315 Fax? ww.copythatnyc.com? _______________________________________________? rintOwners Discussion List? ost: PrintOwners@printweb.org? nfo: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Jun 3 11:26:42 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Jun 3 11:26:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: RE: Mailing help In-Reply-To: References: <20080603012850.F0F99F68195@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <8CA93A55AEA15D9-1090-716@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> Now that's a PDF file? : )? Thanks Simon Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Simon Sheers To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 11:19 am Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Can I suggest the following website?? ? ? ? Try the Quick Service Guide 'QSG PDF file approximately 6 MB'. It really is informative, not just for you, but also for your USPS Bulk Mail Entry clerk who might not be the most knowledgable about the rules.? ? The Domestic Mail Manual (DMM) is the rule book and trumps (what an expression to use on this list when it comes to Dennis' mailing expertise!) any employee's opinion.? ? > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Melendez" >? >? >> I just came back from main post office in the Bronx.? Was just told >> that we have wrong indicia to be able to mail out post cards for >> other companies.? I remember back in the day that it didn't matter >> who is on the mailing as long as you have money in the account.? Is >> this correct?? > ============================? >? > You probably have a standard rate (bulk) mail permit. It sounded > like you were mailing a first class postcard. That takes a first > class permit.? ? Please reply to Simon Sheers at:? ? ? Sheer Graphics Inc.? 47 Chestnut Avenue,? Westmont, IL 60559-1127? Tel: (630) 654-4422? ? Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From championprinting at yahoo.com Tue Jun 3 11:32:20 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Tue Jun 3 11:32:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help Message-ID: <75258.58543.qm@web38908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You are in the half that knows! How many times have we seen "I have a 6 x 9 post card"? Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Dennis Ewing To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2008 10:32:24 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Well gee, that would be a flat single sheet item measuring no less than 3? X 5 and no more the 4? X 6 with a thickness of no less than 7 points. Anything larger is considered a letter and must be at least 9 point s thick. Close enough? Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Ted Gelletly wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Why was it wrong? Maybe if you explained what you were doing and what the indicia said we could help you better understand. I suspect at least half the posters on this list do not know what the definition of a post card is (according to the USPS). > > Ted Gelletly From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Tue Jun 3 11:41:36 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Tue Jun 3 11:43:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help In-Reply-To: <75258.58543.qm@web38908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <75258.58543.qm@web38908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48456630.6090103@satx.rr.com> What gets me is how a local opera group gets their mailings approved. they do 5? X 8? 80# text and mail it standard mail. They get away with it. I on the other hand fight to get a single tabbed 70# tri-fold self mailer approved because the moron in charge thinks 70# offset should weight the same as 28# bond. Do the math, it does not work that way and the DMM says that 70# offset is acceptable for the purpose. I have gone over his head so many times I have his dandruff on my shoes. I wonder how large the bribe thee opera folks are giving him is? Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Ted Gelletly wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > You are in the half that knows! How many times have we seen "I have a 6 x 9 post card"? > > Ted Gelletly > Champion Printing > 5401 New Expansion Drive > Eldersburg MD 21784 > 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 > ted@championprintingonline.com > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Dennis Ewing > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2008 10:32:24 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Well gee, that would be a flat single sheet item measuring no less than > 3? X 5 and no more the 4? X 6 with a thickness of no less than 7 points. > Anything larger is considered a letter and must be at least 9 point s > thick. Close enough? > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > Ewing and Sons Printing > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > San Antonio, TX 78233 > dennisewing@satx.rr.com > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com > 210/650-5311 > 210/650-9916 Fax > > > > Ted Gelletly wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Why was it wrong? Maybe if you explained what you were doing and what the indicia said we could help you better understand. I suspect at least half the posters on this list do not know what the definition of a post card is (according to the USPS). >> >> Ted Gelletly >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From slb at inkspot.net Tue Jun 3 14:47:51 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Jun 3 14:48:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help In-Reply-To: <48456630.6090103@satx.rr.com> References: <75258.58543.qm@web38908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <48456630.6090103@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <48455997.12939.5B6E27D9@slb.inkspot.net> Dennis, I'm confused. I get 105.367gsm for 28# bond, and 103.703gsm for 70# offset. I also thought that the requirement was thickness (.009" min for the folded, tabbed piece) rather than weight. Obviously, I'm laboring under a couple of misconceptions. Where should I look to quote chapter and verse to the PO drones? TIA, Steve > > What gets me is how a local opera group gets their mailings approved. > they do 5½ X 8½ 80# text and mail it standard mail. They get away with > it. I on the other hand fight to get a single tabbed 70# tri-fold self > mailer approved because the moron in charge thinks 70# offset should > weight the same as 28# bond. Do the math, it does not work that way and > the DMM says that 70# offset is acceptable for the purpose. I have gone > over his head so many times I have his dandruff on my shoes. I wonder > how large the bribe thee opera folks are giving him is? > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > Ewing and Sons Printing > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > San Antonio, TX 78233 > dennisewing@satx.rr.com > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com > 210/650-5311 > 210/650-9916 Fax > > > > Ted Gelletly wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > You are in the half that knows! How many times have we seen "I have a 6 x 9 post card"? > > > > Ted Gelletly > > Champion Printing > > 5401 New Expansion Drive > > Eldersburg MD 21784 > > 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 > > ted@championprintingonline.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Dennis Ewing > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2008 10:32:24 AM > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Well gee, that would be a flat single sheet item measuring no less than > > 3½ X 5 and no more the 4¼ X 6 with a thickness of no less than 7 points. > > Anything larger is considered a letter and must be at least 9 point s > > thick. Close enough? > > > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > > Ewing and Sons Printing > > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > > San Antonio, TX 78233 > > dennisewing@satx.rr.com > > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com > > 210/650-5311 > > 210/650-9916 Fax > > > > > > > > Ted Gelletly wrote: > > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> > >> Why was it wrong? Maybe if you explained what you were doing and what the indicia said we could help you better understand. I suspect at least half the posters on this list do not know what the definition of a post card is (according to the USPS). > >> > >> Ted Gelletly > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3155 (20080603) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From printer at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 3 14:55:06 2008 From: printer at sbcglobal.net (Don Black) Date: Tue Jun 3 14:55:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help Message-ID: <151988.46983.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The USPS produces a booklet each year called? "A Guide to Mailing for Businesses and Organizations".? It has all the official USPS specs and requirements.? I pick up a copy at the local post office each year. ? Don Black Sprekelmeyer Printing Ardmore, Oklahoma www.PrintArdmore.com ----- Original Message ---- > From: Steve Blatman > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2008 1:47:51 PM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dennis, > > I'm confused. I get 105.367gsm for 28# bond, and 103.703gsm for 70# > offset. I also thought that the requirement was thickness (.009" min > for the folded, tabbed piece) rather than weight. Obviously, I'm > laboring under a couple of misconceptions. Where should I look to > quote chapter and verse to the PO drones? > > TIA, > Steve > > > > > > What gets me is how a local opera group gets their mailings approved. > > they do 5? X 8? 80# text and mail it standard mail. They get away with > > it. I on the other hand fight to get a single tabbed 70# tri-fold self > > mailer approved because the moron in charge thinks 70# offset should > > weight the same as 28# bond. Do the math, it does not work that way and > > the DMM says that 70# offset is acceptable for the purpose. I have gone > > over his head so many times I have his dandruff on my shoes. I wonder > > how large the bribe thee opera folks are giving him is? > > > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > > Ewing and Sons Printing > > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > > San Antonio, TX 78233 > > dennisewing@satx.rr.com > > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com > > 210/650-5311 > > 210/650-9916 Fax > > > > > > > > Ted Gelletly wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > You are in the half that knows! How many times have we seen "I have a 6 > x 9 post card"? > > > > > >? Ted Gelletly > > > Champion Printing > > > 5401 New Expansion Drive > > > Eldersburg MD 21784 > > > 410-795-6464 ext.4? Fax 410-795-6488 > > > ted@championprintingonline.com > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: Dennis Ewing > > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2008 10:32:24 AM > > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE:? Mailing help > > > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > Well gee, that would be a flat single sheet item measuring no less than > > > 3? X 5 and no more the 4? X 6 with a thickness of no less than 7 points. > > > Anything larger is considered a letter and must be at least 9 point s > > > thick.? Close enough? > > > > > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > > > Ewing and Sons Printing > > > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > > > San Antonio, TX 78233 > > > dennisewing@satx.rr.com > > > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com > > > 210/650-5311 > > > 210/650-9916 Fax > > > > > > > > > > > > Ted Gelletly wrote: > > >? > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >> > > >> Why was it wrong? Maybe if you explained what you were doing and what the > indicia said we could help you better understand. I suspect at least half the > posters on this list do not know what the definition of a post card is > (according to the USPS). > > >> > > >> Ted Gelletly > > >>? ? > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >? > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 3155 (20080603) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Tue Jun 3 15:00:33 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Tue Jun 3 15:02:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help In-Reply-To: <48455997.12939.5B6E27D9@slb.inkspot.net> References: <75258.58543.qm@web38908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <48456630.6090103@satx.rr.com> <48455997.12939.5B6E27D9@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <484594D1.5050804@satx.rr.com> IN the DMM a folded self-mailer 8? X 11 for automation rate must be 70# offset or heavier to go with just 1 tab. 20# bond and 60# offset are supposed to be double tabbed. If 11X 17 folded to letter size you only need 1 tab. This of course assumes the opening is at the top. If not all bets are off and you double tab everything. I see a lot of 60# that gets by with 1 tab and there are certain ways of doing it that get by with a single tab. I do 3000 a week on 60# that only uses 1 tab. I just do what Accuzip and the guy who keeps up with all this stuff tells me to do. ;-> Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Steve Blatman wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dennis, > > I'm confused. I get 105.367gsm for 28# bond, and 103.703gsm for 70# > offset. I also thought that the requirement was thickness (.009" min > for the folded, tabbed piece) rather than weight. Obviously, I'm > laboring under a couple of misconceptions. Where should I look to > quote chapter and verse to the PO drones? > > TIA, > Steve > > > >> What gets me is how a local opera group gets their mailings approved. >> they do 5? X 8? 80# text and mail it standard mail. They get away with >> it. I on the other hand fight to get a single tabbed 70# tri-fold self >> mailer approved because the moron in charge thinks 70# offset should >> weight the same as 28# bond. Do the math, it does not work that way and >> the DMM says that 70# offset is acceptable for the purpose. I have gone >> over his head so many times I have his dandruff on my shoes. I wonder >> how large the bribe thee opera folks are giving him is? >> >> Dennis W. Ewing Sr >> Ewing and Sons Printing >> 12000 Crownpoint, #130 >> San Antonio, TX 78233 >> dennisewing@satx.rr.com >> ewingandsons@satx.rr.com >> 210/650-5311 >> 210/650-9916 Fax >> >> >> >> Ted Gelletly wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> You are in the half that knows! How many times have we seen "I have a 6 x 9 post card"? >>> >>> Ted Gelletly >>> Champion Printing >>> 5401 New Expansion Drive >>> Eldersburg MD 21784 >>> 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 >>> ted@championprintingonline.com >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Dennis Ewing >>> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2008 10:32:24 AM >>> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help >>> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Well gee, that would be a flat single sheet item measuring no less than >>> 3? X 5 and no more the 4? X 6 with a thickness of no less than 7 points. >>> Anything larger is considered a letter and must be at least 9 point s >>> thick. Close enough? >>> >>> Dennis W. Ewing Sr >>> Ewing and Sons Printing >>> 12000 Crownpoint, #130 >>> San Antonio, TX 78233 >>> dennisewing@satx.rr.com >>> ewingandsons@satx.rr.com >>> 210/650-5311 >>> 210/650-9916 Fax >>> >>> >>> >>> Ted Gelletly wrote: >>> >>> >>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>> >>>> Why was it wrong? Maybe if you explained what you were doing and what the indicia said we could help you better understand. I suspect at least half the posters on this list do not know what the definition of a post card is (according to the USPS). >>>> >>>> Ted Gelletly >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3155 (20080603) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From randy at actionprintingokc.com Tue Jun 3 15:36:17 2008 From: randy at actionprintingokc.com (Randy McConnell) Date: Tue Jun 3 15:36:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 5.25 x 12.25 envelope Message-ID: Does anyone have a source for 5.25 x 12.25 gray envelopes with a flap like A series announcement envelopes? Randy McConnell Action Printing 1429 W. Main Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 73106 405-235-5956 Fax 405-235-5961 randy@actionprintingokc.com www.actionprintingokc.com From kellycrom at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 15:52:24 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Tue Jun 3 15:52:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 5.25 x 12.25 envelope In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00a601c8c5b3$59024d00$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Sounds custom to me. Call your local diecutter and/or converter to get a custom bid. The closest I could find were expansion envelopes( see www.miracle-envelope.com/expansion.html ). Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Randy McConnell > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:36 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] 5.25 x 12.25 envelope > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone have a source for 5.25 x 12.25 gray envelopes > with a flap like > A series announcement envelopes? > > > > Randy McConnell > > Action Printing > > 1429 W. Main > > Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 73106 > > 405-235-5956 > > Fax 405-235-5961 > > randy@actionprintingokc.com > > www.actionprintingokc.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From jeff at hprinting.biz Tue Jun 3 15:57:38 2008 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Tue Jun 3 15:57:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] A/R Increase Message-ID: <20080603195739.17916.21651@hm-pop1.solinus.com> We've noticed a large increase in A/R this year. Sales are up 30% this year (no recession here), but A/R are up about 60%. Have others noticed A/R growing faster than sales? Or am I building sales through slower paying clients? Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From andrew.flamm at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 16:21:48 2008 From: andrew.flamm at gmail.com (Andy Flamm) Date: Tue Jun 3 16:21:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Inkjet Posters Fading Message-ID: The colors off our HP 5500PS large format inkjet are rapidly fading (over a matter of days). I don't think this used to happen, but we've started noticing it lately. We printed a bunch of posters that hang in our store with no direct sunlight, just fluorescent tubes, and they are noticeably faded except where they were covered by the frames. Could this be due to an ink problem or perhaps a reformulation of the paper we buy? Andy Flamm -- Cedar Business Printing 345 Cedar Street, Suite 256 Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101 651-293-3904 voice 651-293-3905 fax andy@CedarBusinessPrinting.com www.CedarBusinessPrinting.com From John at mpcny.com Tue Jun 3 16:55:38 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Tue Jun 3 16:55:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: A/R Increase In-Reply-To: <20080603195745.B0EBFF6A5DD@rb.enter.net> References: <20080603195745.B0EBFF6A5DD@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <007d01c8c5bc$2db884d0$89298e70$@com> I am seeing the same. Sales are way up but AR is getting longer. Fun part of being a owner, a fitness place owes me $1500 from December, I never should have let them charge but that is not the point. They have ignored Kathy's statements and email, no effort to pay other than "we will send a check". So I step in with my 90% effective system to collect bills. I start out like this I call everyday and leave a message that I am owner of XXX printing and I have a large past due amount, I would like xxx to call me. I call the next day and leave messages with each person. I then call the local chamber if they are member and ask for the director. I ask if they are still in business and is XXXX is owner. I then state nicely mmmm seems odd I can get them to call me back or pay my bill. I know in my chamber they call me to see if they can help I even call on the weekend and leave voice or messages with whomever answers. All ways polite but, with the information about past due bills and I asking to call me ASAP, then I state I will call back the next day. On week two, I call 2 times a day and tell them I am coming to town and will pick the check up. Even better if I get a worker bee I ask when the owner will be and tell him to call me as I am willing stop and save them the stamp. By this time I get a very irate call back 90% of time telling to stop calling they will pay. The guy today went on to say how things are hard and will pay this weekend as he is in Connecticut and out of the country did not know Connecticut was not in the US, but hey I will take the money. He promised to UPS it to me on Sunday??? I do not do this when I have a person who works with me. This is when you try and stiff me and do not return calls or lie. It happens once or twice a year and I make it personal, all this takes less than 2-3 mins a day and I make a game of it. I use my cell, other lines anything to get by caller ID I have been told this is against the fair credit laws; it is not as the OWNER you can call anytime as often as you want. If you turn to over to others you are limited in what you do. I lose less than 1% of my sales to bad payment a year, always a long term account who fell on bad time. Other who try and beat me I use this method and get paid. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com From scott at usacolor.com Tue Jun 3 17:03:38 2008 From: scott at usacolor.com (scott) Date: Tue Jun 3 17:03:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Inkjet Posters Fading In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4845B1AA.1040107@usacolor.com> If you use the original U.V. inks and not knock offs, I would say its the paper. We had this happen a fews ago when we ended up with a roll that wasn't coated for inkjet Scott Balsiger, President USA Color Printing Inc. www.usacolor.com 791 Mahnomen Dr. Bemidji, MN 56601 800-759-9126 218-759-9126 218-759-2883(fax) 218-556-5505(cell) Andy Flamm wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The colors off our HP 5500PS large format inkjet are rapidly fading (over a > matter of days). I don't think this used to happen, but we've started > noticing it lately. We printed a bunch of posters that hang in our store > with no direct sunlight, just fluorescent tubes, and they are noticeably > faded except where they were covered by the frames. Could this be due to an > ink problem or perhaps a reformulation of the paper we buy? > > Andy Flamm > > From sos at olympus.net Tue Jun 3 17:18:20 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Jun 3 17:18:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 5.25 x 12.25 envelope References: Message-ID: <091801c8c5bf$597a1ea0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy McConnell" > Does anyone have a source for 5.25 x 12.25 gray envelopes with a flap > like > A series announcement envelopes? ==================== That is not a standard size. You won't find it ready made anywhere, I'm pretty sure. But of course anything can be custom made. Contact a converter. A Regular #14 is 5 x 11.5 is that close enough? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From digitaldeb at graphiccreations.com Tue Jun 3 22:04:10 2008 From: digitaldeb at graphiccreations.com (Debbie Billings) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:04:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: arm stuck in press In-Reply-To: <20080603133745.2CF91F69482@rb.enter.net> References: <20080603133745.2CF91F69482@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <74B58031-83D5-4054-A65D-88C0A7A3789D@graphiccreations.com> On Jun 3, 2008, at 9:37 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > > This is a good video to show your production staff or just to remind > yourself about being careful where you put your fingers! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVkotQ-We88 This really happened to one of my "strategic partners", but they had to get the "jaws of life" to tear the press apart (fast) and the operator was injured. It tore both of them up, the press was a permanent loss (Big press, don't remember brand - just the personnel and business production recovery chaos) and luckily the operator recovered most of the functions of his hand. They are also a very safety oriented, by the books company - it can happen and reminders are always a good thing. Thanks, -Debbie Debbie Billings Graphic Creations, Inc. 1809 Lake Avenue Knoxville, TN 37916 865-522-6221 debbie@graphiccreations.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Jun 3 23:04:37 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Jun 3 23:05:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] A/R Increase In-Reply-To: <20080603195739.17916.21651@hm-pop1.solinus.com> References: <20080603195739.17916.21651@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: <200806040305.m54354d6099563@i2bnetworks.com> Sales are up. A/R is also up but not by much as a %. I do believe its at this point in the business cycle you truly find out the quality of your accounts. S. At 12:57 PM 6/3/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We've noticed a large increase in A/R this year. >Sales are up 30% this year (no recession here), >but A/R are up about 60%. Have others noticed >A/R growing faster than sales? Or am I building >sales through slower paying clients? > > >Jeff > >Haines Printing Co. >10575 W. Main Rd. >North East, PA 16428 >(814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 >email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3156 (20080603) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From John at mpcny.com Wed Jun 4 07:45:08 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Wed Jun 4 07:45:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM bizhub PRO C6501 Message-ID: <00d501c8c638$706da040$5148e0c0$@com> Km has updated the 6500 to a 6501. Not what has changed but if you're buying make sure you find out before signing John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed Jun 4 08:46:54 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed Jun 4 08:47:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help In-Reply-To: <48455997.12939.5B6E27D9@slb.inkspot.net> References: <75258.58543.qm@web38908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <48456630.6090103@satx.rr.com> <48455997.12939.5B6E27D9@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <8CA945833888A40-1208-48CB@MBLK-M27.sysops.aol.com> Hey Steve, watch what you say!? My PaPa was a Post Master? It's incredible though how each location does their own thinking on how things should be done.? Glad my 1? extra for stamps is paying OFF Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Blatman To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 2:47 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dennis, I'm confused. I get 105.367gsm for 28# bond, and 103.703gsm for 70# ffset. I also thought that the requirement was thickness (.009" min or the folded, tabbed piece) rather than weight. Obviously, I'm aboring under a couple of misconceptions. Where should I look to uote chapter and verse to the PO drones? TIA, teve What gets me is how a local opera group gets their mailings approved. they do 5? X 8? 80# text and mail it standard mail. They get away with it. I on the other hand fight to get a single tabbed 70# tri-fold self mailer approved because the moron in charge thinks 70# offset should weight the same as 28# bond. Do the math, it does not work that way and the DMM says that 70# offset is acceptable for the purpose. I have gone over his head so many times I have his dandruff on my shoes. I wonder how large the bribe thee opera folks are giving him is? Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Ted Gelletly wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > You are in the half that knows! How many times have we seen "I have a 6 9 post card"? > > Ted Gelletly > Champion Printing > 5401 New Expansion Drive > Eldersburg MD 21784 > 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 > ted@championprintingonline.com > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Dennis Ewing > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2008 10:32:24 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing help > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Well gee, that would be a flat single sheet item measuring no less than > 3? X 5 and no more the 4? X 6 with a thickness of no less than 7 points. > Anything larger is considered a letter and must be at least 9 point s > thick. Close enough? > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > Ewing and Sons Printing > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > San Antonio, TX 78233 > dennisewing@satx.rr.com > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com > 210/650-5311 > 210/650-9916 Fax > > > > Ted Gelletly wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Why was it wrong? Maybe if you explained what you were doing and what the ndicia said we could help you better understand. I suspect at least half the osters on this list do not know what the definition of a post card is according to the USPS). >> >> Ted Gelletly >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3155 (20080603) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Steve Blatman nk Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 4 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA el: 610-647-0776 ax: 610-647-4560 ______________________________________________ rintOwners Discussion List ost: PrintOwners@printweb.org nfo: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed Jun 4 09:06:01 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed Jun 4 09:06:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Inkjet Posters Fading In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA945ADF2D4000-1208-4A1C@MBLK-M27.sysops.aol.com> Right off the bat, check with your supplier.? DO NOT start purchasing on price alone.? Make sure you purchase from a reputable dealer, one that will have no problem investigating these types of problems.? Ink manufacturing is not a perfect process.? Check with your dealer first.? Also could be that your running aqueous ink on solvent material or vise versa.? Just because you can print on it, doesn't mean it will withstand the elements Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Andy Flamm To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 4:21 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] Inkjet Posters Fading ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The colors off our HP 5500PS large format inkjet are rapidly fading (over a matter of days). I don't think this used to happen, but we've started noticing it lately. We printed a bunch of posters that hang in our store with no direct sunlight, just fluorescent tubes, and they are noticeably faded except where they were covered by the frames. Could this be due to an ink problem or perhaps a reformulation of the paper we buy? Andy Flamm -- Cedar Business Printing 345 Cedar Street, Suite 256 Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101 651-293-3904 voice 651-293-3905 fax andy@CedarBusinessPrinting.com www.CedarBusinessPrinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed Jun 4 09:54:27 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed Jun 4 09:54:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: A/R Increase In-Reply-To: <007d01c8c5bc$2db884d0$89298e70$@com> References: <20080603195745.B0EBFF6A5DD@rb.enter.net> <007d01c8c5bc$2db884d0$89298e70$@com> Message-ID: <8CA9461A2294C51-13E0-1D6@MBLK-M27.sysops.aol.com> fair credit laws <---- MY ( Y )? What's fair when people place orders & we have to play phone tag to get our money.? We should be able to charge, for our extra time of hunting them done.? Good for you John Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: John Henry To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 4:55 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: A/R Increase ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am seeing the same. Sales are way up but AR is getting longer. Fun part of being a owner, a fitness place owes me $1500 from December, I never should have let them charge but that is not the point. They have ignored Kathy's statements and email, no effort to pay other than "we will send a check". So I step in with my 90% effective system to collect bills. I start out like this I call everyday and leave a message that I am owner of XXX printing and I have a large past due amount, I would like xxx to call me. I call the next day and leave messages with each person. I then call the local chamber if they are member and ask for the director. I ask if they are still in business and is XXXX is owner. I then state nicely mmmm seems odd I can get them to call me back or pay my bill. I know in my chamber they call me to see if they can help I even call on the weekend and leave voice or messages with whomever answers. All ways polite but, with the information about past due bills and I asking to call me ASAP, then I state I will call back the next day. On week two, I call 2 times a day and tell them I am coming to town and will pick the check up. Even better if I get a worker bee I ask when the owner will be and tell him to call me as I am willing stop and save them the stamp. By this time I get a very irate call back 90% of time telling to stop calling they will pay. The guy today went on to say how things are hard and will pay this weekend as he is in Connecticut and out of the country did not know Connecticut was not in the US, but hey I will take the money. He promised to UPS it to me on Sunday??? I do not do this when I have a person who works with me. This is when you try and stiff me and do not return calls or lie. It happens once or twice a year and I make it personal, all this takes less than 2-3 mins a day and I make a game of it. I use my cell, other lines anything to get by caller ID I have been told this is against the fair credit laws; it is not as the OWNER you can call anytime as often as you want. If you turn to over to others you are limited in what you do. I lose less than 1% of my sales to bad payment a year, always a long term account who fell on bad time. Other who try and beat me I use this method and get paid. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Wed Jun 4 11:13:00 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Jun 4 11:13:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Finally References: <75258.58543.qm@web38908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <48456630.6090103@satx.rr.com><48455997.12939.5B6E27D9@slb.inkspot.net> <8CA945833888A40-1208-48CB@MBLK-M27.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <099901c8c655$7a9e1780$6900a8c0@DANIEL> >Good day, > my name is Rev polo and will like to order some flyers and i will need > the Qty 98,500 with the size of 8.5''x11'' in full copies Black Ink on > Yellow Paper l want you to write of the flyer (Love One Another).I want > you to go ahead and quote me the total pick up prices plus tax without > shipping =========================== Finally, after all this time listening to you guys brag about your big orders to ship to Africa, I finally got one too. Thanks Rev polo, I'm in the club at last. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Wed Jun 4 11:12:57 2008 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King) Date: Wed Jun 4 11:13:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fancy Hardback Book Printer Needed Message-ID: <000601c8c655$7874a7d0$695df770$@com> We're setting up a children's picture book for a customer who is searching for a printer to make the book. About 1,000 copies. Hardcover, dust jacket, full color throughout, perhaps some die cut images - the whole bit. Any advice? Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Wed Jun 4 11:33:09 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Wed Jun 4 11:53:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] page numbering in Indesign CS3 Message-ID: Can anyone help me out with auto page numbering in Indesign? I have gone through the online help section and the page numbering starts at the wrong page and the last page of a 56 page document is page #3. If easier to call, my toll-free is 888 743-7370. Thanks Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 12:27:23 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jun 4 12:28:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Finally In-Reply-To: <099901c8c655$7a9e1780$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <75258.58543.qm@web38908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48456630.6090103@satx.rr.com> <48455997.12939.5B6E27D9@slb.inkspot.net> <8CA945833888A40-1208-48CB@MBLK-M27.sysops.aol.com> <099901c8c655$7a9e1780$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0806040927yf2a0b98x3fe7efbe256ae5e6@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > > Finally, after all this time listening to you guys brag about your big > orders to ship to Africa, I finally got one too. > > Thanks Rev polo, I'm in the club at last. > You did tell him that due to your remote location, your presses have electronic governors on them that limit your run lengths to a max of 1000, lest your pressman fall asleep and print more of anything than the entire peninsula can ever absorb, didn't you? > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon From prtquick at eos.net Wed Jun 4 12:03:42 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Wed Jun 4 12:28:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Finally In-Reply-To: <099901c8c655$7a9e1780$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <75258.58543.qm@web38908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <48456630.6090103@satx.rr.com><48455997.12939.5B6E27D9@slb.inkspot.net> <8CA945833888A40-1208-48CB@MBLK-M27.sysops.aol.com> <099901c8c655$7a9e1780$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <21C1295A-C4CD-483B-8C31-C9026A0F50ED@eos.net> I got a big envelope order the other day!! 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Printing On Jun 4, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> Good day, >> my name is Rev polo and will like to order some flyers and i >> will need the Qty 98,500 with the size of 8.5''x11'' in full >> copies Black Ink on Yellow Paper l want you to write of the flyer >> (Love One Another).I want you to go ahead and quote me the total >> pick up prices plus tax without shipping > =========================== > > Finally, after all this time listening to you guys brag about your > big orders to ship to Africa, I finally got one too. > > Thanks Rev polo, I'm in the club at last. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From keli at parchmentpress.net Wed Jun 4 12:33:06 2008 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Wed Jun 4 12:33:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fancy Hardback Book Printer Needed In-Reply-To: <000601c8c655$7874a7d0$695df770$@com> References: <000601c8c655$7874a7d0$695df770$@com> Message-ID: <4846C3C2.60008@parchmentpress.net> *For USA printing contact Doug Mercersburg Printing 9964 Buchanan Trail West Mercersburg PA 17236 800.955.3902 * For CHEAP CHINESE printing Jing Jiang Sales Manager USA DiYa Corporation. http://www.diyausa.com/ ph: 650-888-0302 thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Tom King wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We're setting up a children's picture book for a customer who is searching > for a printer to make the book. About 1,000 copies. Hardcover, dust jacket, > full color throughout, perhaps some die cut images - the whole bit. > > Any advice? > > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From sos at olympus.net Wed Jun 4 12:43:06 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Jun 4 12:43:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Finally References: <75258.58543.qm@web38908.mail.mud.yahoo.com><48456630.6090103@satx.rr.com><48455997.12939.5B6E27D9@slb.inkspot.net><8CA945833888A40-1208-48CB@MBLK-M27.sysops.aol.com><099901c8c655$7a9e1780$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <98f5b19a0806040927yf2a0b98x3fe7efbe256ae5e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <09cd01c8c662$10c527b0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Vogel" >> Thanks Rev polo, I'm in the club at last. >> > > You did tell him that due to your remote location, your presses have > electronic governors on them that limit your run lengths to a max of 1000, ==================== I told him I'd sent Jack out to cut some trees, float 'em on down the river to the mill, have the flyers all done and ready to ship in about a year and a half. Plenty of time to get a cashiers check here for the total amount. Actually I just deleted the message. (for anyone who is scarcasismistically challenged) Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From sos at olympus.net Wed Jun 4 12:55:32 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Jun 4 13:14:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] page numbering in Indesign CS3 References: Message-ID: <09d201c8c663$cd28e350$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > Can anyone help me out with auto page numbering in Indesign? I have gone > through the online help section and the page numbering starts at the wrong > page and the last page of a 56 page document is page #3. If easier to > call, > my toll-free is 888 743-7370. =================================== Did you apply the page numbering on master pages? InDesign is not easy to number pages in my limited experience. But you do it by inserting a Marker, that is Type, Insert Special Characters, Marker, Currant Page Number. Do that on the master pages and it should be automatic. You can then apply or override any individual page. That is, right click on the page icon and choose the appropriate action. Hope that helps. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From swiftyprinting at mac.com Wed Jun 4 13:25:37 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Wed Jun 4 13:47:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] page numbering in Indesign CS3 In-Reply-To: <09d201c8c663$cd28e350$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <09d201c8c663$cd28e350$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: On Jun 4, 2008, at 12:55 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: >> Can anyone help me out with auto page numbering in Indesign? I have >> gone >> through the online help section and the page numbering starts at >> the wrong >> page and the last page of a 56 page document is page #3 Type-Insert Special Character- Marke-Page # Now you should do this on a master pager to control sections. Also under: Layout-Numbering Section Options In this feature you control sections, auto page number, renumbering etc. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Jun 4 13:57:15 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Jun 4 15:05:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 3220 Message-ID: anyone looking for an extra 3220? I currently have one on lease with 14 months remaining but intend to upgrade to the CPP650 and I will be purchasing the 650 NOT leasing. This is at the business I purchased in April. Buyout at this time is $4700 give or take $25! Works good but just not enough "oomph" for existing needs and the business sure can't grow with it. 14 months left on a 5 year lease, so the machine is 46 months old and only has 150,000 clicks on it. I know some of you use them and have good luck. IF all goes as planned, I should be able to remove the 3220 by July 1. Machine currently located in Normal, IL 61761. Contact me directly if you might be interested in assuming payments or purchasing. Robin p.s. I'm not interested in trying to sell to a school or a large church in the area because so many of them are already our customers ..... Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 Wright Printing Company 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From sos at olympus.net Wed Jun 4 15:20:26 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Jun 4 15:22:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Heidelberg References: <09d201c8c663$cd28e350$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <0a2d01c8c678$0b9db840$6900a8c0@DANIEL> I just had a courtesy call from Heidelberg. That never happened before. He was a service guy, actually a service electrician, who was apparently pressed into making some sales calls. He'd been here before to replace a switch or something on the GTO. Nice enough guy, but had no idea what he was doing as a salesman. He had a catalog to show me, he couldn't give it to me because it was his only copy. He gave me no idea whatsoever how I could get one if I wanted one. He spoke briefly with my pressman, asked if he could use the bathroom and then had me sign his little tiny electronic thingy, to prove he was here. And that was it. Two hour drive to get here, and that was it. Which tells me two things. One: it's a lot harder being a salesman than most people think. Two: is Heidelberg getting a little desparate? I've noticed Heidelberg advertising consumables lately. I don't know about you, but I've never bought consumables in my life. Talk about a classic "me oriented" campaign. They may want to sell consumables, but it's nothing I'm interested in. Which I mention because, we too, must transcend ourselves when trying to sell. We produce and sell printing, but that's not what our customers really want. They want to communicate with their customers. They want to portray themselves as professionals, etc. It's all been said before, but think like a customer. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed Jun 4 15:47:08 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed Jun 4 15:47:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Finally In-Reply-To: <099901c8c655$7a9e1780$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <75258.58543.qm@web38908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <48456630.6090103@satx.rr.com><48455997.12939.5B6E27D9@slb.inkspot.net> <8CA945833888A40-1208-48CB@MBLK-M27.sysops.aol.com> <099901c8c655$7a9e1780$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <8CA9492E776B382-628-6C8@webmail-me06.sysops.aol.com> Come to mention it, I feel left out? Why is everyone else getting to have all the fun? I want to play to? Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Dan Huntingford To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:13 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Finally ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? >Good day,? > my name is Rev polo and will like to order some flyers and i will need > the Qty 98,500 with the size of 8.5''x11'' in full copies Black Ink on > Yellow Paper l want you to write of the flyer (Love One Another).I want > you to go ahead and quote me the total pick up prices plus tax without > shipping? ===========================? ? Finally, after all this time listening to you guys brag about your big orders to ship to Africa, I finally got one too.? ? Thanks Rev polo, I'm in the club at last.? ? Dan Huntingford? SOS Printing? 2319 Washington Street? Port Townsend, WA 98368? Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF? sos@olympus.net? (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From brianoday at eprint.us Wed Jun 4 15:53:44 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Wed Jun 4 15:57:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Finally In-Reply-To: <8CA9492E776B382-628-6C8@webmail-me06.sysops.aol.com> References: <75258.58543.qm@web38908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <48456630.6090103@satx.rr.com><48455997.12939.5B6E27D9@slb.inkspot.net> <8CA945833888A40-1208-48CB@MBLK-M27.sysops.aol.com><099901c8c655$7a9e1780$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <8CA9492E776B382-628-6C8@webmail-me06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <00fc01c8c67c$b29f7c60$800101df@eprint.local> They have heard about you Bronx People with Italian names. . Brian O'Day ePRINT 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland Oregon 97223 (503)684-267 Brianoday@eprint.us www.eprint.us -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:47 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Finally ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Come to mention it, I feel left out? Why is everyone else getting to have all the fun? I want to play to? Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Dan Huntingford To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:13 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Finally ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? >Good day,? > my name is Rev polo and will like to order some flyers and i will need > the Qty 98,500 with the size of 8.5''x11'' in full copies Black Ink on > Yellow Paper l want you to write of the flyer (Love One Another).I want > you to go ahead and quote me the total pick up prices plus tax without > shipping? ===========================? ? Finally, after all this time listening to you guys brag about your big orders to ship to Africa, I finally got one too.? ? Thanks Rev polo, I'm in the club at last.? ? Dan Huntingford? SOS Printing? 2319 Washington Street? Port Townsend, WA 98368? Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF? sos@olympus.net? (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Frklins120 at aol.com Wed Jun 4 16:11:21 2008 From: Frklins120 at aol.com (Frklins120@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 4 16:11:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Danka Doublecross Message-ID: We have a Canon 8500 b/w and a BizHub Pro 6500 CC copier. Both are under Danka maintenance agreements and both are 1 click per 11 x 17. We called Danka to correct a billing error on the color machine. At one time it was double clicking the 11 x 17 and the tech fixed it and took a reading but the billing did not reflect the correction. To make a long story short,our rep came in today for a meeting and told us that from now on all Danka customers were going to be billed the double click for 11 x 17 and there was nothing she could do about it. I would like to know if anyone has heard anything like this from Danka. We have been a customer for over 17 years and we are now exploring other options. Barb McPherson Innsbruck Printing Buffalo, New York 716-668-6107 716-668-6109 fax www.innsbruckprinting.com **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) From mike at arborprinting.com Wed Jun 4 16:18:39 2008 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Wed Jun 4 16:19:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Danka Doublecross References: Message-ID: <023401c8c680$2d5a3820$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> What does your service agreement say? I just heard last week Danka had been purchased. I can't remember who bought them. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com mike@arborprinting.com P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:11 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Danka Doublecross > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have a Canon 8500 b/w and a BizHub Pro 6500 CC copier. Both are under > Danka maintenance agreements and both are 1 click per 11 x 17. > We called Danka to correct a billing error on the color machine. > At one time it was double clicking the 11 x 17 and the tech fixed it and > took a > reading but the billing did not reflect the correction. > To make a long story short,our rep came in today for a meeting and told > us > that from > now on all Danka customers were going to be billed the double click for > 11 x > 17 and > there was nothing she could do about it. > I would like to know if anyone has heard anything like this from Danka. > We > have been > a customer for over 17 years and we are now exploring other options. > > Barb McPherson > Innsbruck Printing > Buffalo, New York > 716-668-6107 > 716-668-6109 fax > www.innsbruckprinting.com > > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From rstor at copycats.com Wed Jun 4 16:25:22 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Wed Jun 4 16:26:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Danka Doublecross In-Reply-To: <023401c8c680$2d5a3820$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> References: <023401c8c680$2d5a3820$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <4846FA32.6080902@copycats.com> Konika Minolta purchased them Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Mike@arborprinting.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What does your service agreement say? I just heard last week Danka had > been purchased. I can't remember who bought them. > Thanks, > > > Michael Shuta > Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc > 630-969-2277 > www.arborprinting.com > mike@arborprinting.com > > P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a > friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design > and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. > I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of > integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can > receive, so please don't keep us a secret! > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:11 PM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Danka Doublecross > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> We have a Canon 8500 b/w and a BizHub Pro 6500 CC copier. Both are >> under >> Danka maintenance agreements and both are 1 click per 11 x 17. >> We called Danka to correct a billing error on the color machine. >> At one time it was double clicking the 11 x 17 and the tech fixed it >> and >> took a >> reading but the billing did not reflect the correction. >> To make a long story short,our rep came in today for a meeting and >> told us >> that from >> now on all Danka customers were going to be billed the double click >> for 11 x >> 17 and >> there was nothing she could do about it. >> I would like to know if anyone has heard anything like this from >> Danka. We >> have been >> a customer for over 17 years and we are now exploring other options. >> >> Barb McPherson >> Innsbruck Printing >> Buffalo, New York >> 716-668-6107 >> 716-668-6109 fax >> www.innsbruckprinting.com >> >> >> >> >> **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with >> Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. >> (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From greg at pressexpress.org Wed Jun 4 16:26:44 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed Jun 4 16:27:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] A/R Increase In-Reply-To: <20080603195739.17916.21651@hm-pop1.solinus.com> References: <20080603195739.17916.21651@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: <6DD2EF00-B1FF-4712-9DDE-179E7FE093A8@pressexpress.org> Things are tight all over! Quality of accounts are one thing, but recession is another. Being rural, much of my work is for private individuals who own their own business. They spend their own money, not someone else's like working for a large corporation. These dba's are having a tougher time paying their bills because of higher gas prices, etc. Cel phone companies, UPS, and others are getting more stringent to pulling the service plug because of peoples lack of ability to pay on time. I use UPS and the cel phone companies as an example. UPS suspended my account because my bill of just $40.00's went just past 30 days. That's right, they suspended my account because their terms are net 15 days, not thirty. Last year, out of habit, I paid bi-monthly and their was no problem, now these companies are tightening up because everyone is paying slower. We need to be like the bigger corporates and keep on top of A/R better. After all, we can't pay UPS and the cel companies with $ that is collecting dust on our A/R Greg On Jun 3, 2008, at 2:57 PM, Jeff Haines wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We've noticed a large increase in A/R this year. Sales are up 30% > this year (no recession here), but A/R are up about 60%. Have others > noticed A/R growing faster than sales? Or am I building sales > through slower paying clients? > > > Jeff > > Haines Printing Co. > 10575 W. Main Rd. > North East, PA 16428 > (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 > email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > From rmeier at goinsty.com Wed Jun 4 16:28:01 2008 From: rmeier at goinsty.com (R. Meier) Date: Wed Jun 4 16:28:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Half of a folder request In-Reply-To: <0a2d01c8c678$0b9db840$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <09d201c8c663$cd28e350$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <0a2d01c8c678$0b9db840$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <4846FAD1.1010607@goinsty.com> Here's one I haven't had before. The client wants half of a normal pocket folder. Just the side with the pocket sealed on the right and business cards slits. Commodity grade stock with a dark blue pantone flood. 50,000 finished pieces. Any ideas? Thanks, Rob -- _____________________________ Rob Meier Insty-Prints 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-1959 From Minmandon at aol.com Wed Jun 4 16:30:23 2008 From: Minmandon at aol.com (Minmandon@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 4 16:30:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Danka Doublecross Message-ID: Danka just got bought by Konica-Minolta. I have a service contract from Danka. I had it written in under Additional Terms..."11 x 17" shall be click. Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield 954 421-9904 **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Jun 4 17:09:49 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Jun 4 17:10:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Danka Doublecross In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200806042110.m54LAHlX081857@i2bnetworks.com> You can't just change a contract midstream. What does your maintenance agreement say regarding click charges. Everything must always be in writing when it comes to contractual agreements. Does it specifically address this issue in your agreement? S. At 01:11 PM 6/4/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We have a Canon 8500 b/w and a BizHub Pro 6500 CC copier. Both are under >Danka maintenance agreements and both are 1 click per 11 x 17. >We called Danka to correct a billing error on the color machine. >At one time it was double clicking the 11 x 17 and the tech fixed it and >took a >reading but the billing did not reflect the correction. >To make a long story short,our rep came in today for a meeting and told us >that from >now on all Danka customers were going to be billed the double click for 11 x >17 and >there was nothing she could do about it. >I would like to know if anyone has heard anything like this from Danka. We >have been >a customer for over 17 years and we are now exploring other options. > >Barb McPherson >Innsbruck Printing >Buffalo, New York >716-668-6107 >716-668-6109 fax >www.innsbruckprinting.com > > > > >**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with >Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. >(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3158 (20080604) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From tstrickland at studiodesignsprinting.com Wed Jun 4 17:19:01 2008 From: tstrickland at studiodesignsprinting.com (tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com) Date: Wed Jun 4 17:19:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Heidelberg & invoice References: <09d201c8c663$cd28e350$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <0a2d01c8c678$0b9db840$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <050f01c8c688$9c798280$6500a8c0@TravisComp> Interesting about the sales guy....speaking of Hied. About a month ago my production manager called Hied to ask a question about moving our platesetter. We were getting ready to clean, seal, and epoxy our floors. Anyway, we wanted to make sure didn't mess up any settings with the laser etc. when we moved it. The call maybe took 5 minutes and they sent us a bill for $52 dollars. I mean good grief! We are not on any service contract etc. and they certainly did not tell him that there would be a charge for his question. I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet but I sure don't think that was chargeable time. Travis Strickland Studio Designs Printing ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Huntingford To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 15:20 Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Heidelberg ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I just had a courtesy call from Heidelberg. That never happened before. He was a service guy, actually a service electrician, who was apparently pressed into making some sales calls. He'd been here before to replace a switch or something on the GTO. Nice enough guy, but had no idea what he was doing as a salesman. He had a catalog to show me, he couldn't give it to me because it was his only copy. He gave me no idea whatsoever how I could get one if I wanted one. He spoke briefly with my pressman, asked if he could use the bathroom and then had me sign his little tiny electronic thingy, to prove he was here. And that was it. Two hour drive to get here, and that was it. Which tells me two things. One: it's a lot harder being a salesman than most people think. Two: is Heidelberg getting a little desparate? I've noticed Heidelberg advertising consumables lately. I don't know about you, but I've never bought consumables in my life. Talk about a classic "me oriented" campaign. They may want to sell consumables, but it's nothing I'm interested in. Which I mention because, we too, must transcend ourselves when trying to sell. We produce and sell printing, but that's not what our customers really want. They want to communicate with their customers. They want to portray themselves as professionals, etc. It's all been said before, but think like a customer. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1482 - Release Date: 6/4/2008 7:10 AM From rstor at copycats.com Wed Jun 4 17:32:41 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Wed Jun 4 17:33:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Half of a folder request In-Reply-To: <4846FAD1.1010607@goinsty.com> References: <09d201c8c663$cd28e350$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <0a2d01c8c678$0b9db840$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <4846FAD1.1010607@goinsty.com> Message-ID: <484709F9.8050109@copycats.com> Rob, You'd better print this on a coated stock, with varnish or it will never dry. If you can print it in-house, any die-cutter can fabricate it. If not, call folder express and ask for a price. (800-322-1064) Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com R. Meier wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Here's one I haven't had before. The client wants half of a normal > pocket folder. Just the side with the pocket sealed on the right and > business cards slits. Commodity grade stock with a dark blue pantone > flood. 50,000 finished pieces. Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Rob > From dvmonto at optonline.net Wed Jun 4 17:47:32 2008 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Wed Jun 4 17:47:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Heidelberg & invoice In-Reply-To: <050f01c8c688$9c798280$6500a8c0@TravisComp> Message-ID: I can't wait to see the bill Dan gets for the "sales" call! 2 hour travel time plus consulting with his pressperson. -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls ?Government?s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it.? If it keeps moving, regulate it.? And if it stops moving, subsidize it.? Ronald Reagan On 6/4/08 5:19 PM, "tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com" wrote: > Interesting about the sales guy....speaking of Hied. About a month ago my > production manager called Hied to ask a question about moving our platesetter. > We were getting ready to clean, seal, and epoxy our floors. Anyway, we wanted > to make sure didn't mess up any settings with the laser etc. when we moved it. > The call maybe took 5 minutes and they sent us a bill for $52 dollars. I mean > good grief! We are not on any service contract etc. and they certainly did not > tell him that there would be a charge for his question. I'm not sure what I'm > going to do yet but I sure don't think that was chargeable time. From si at ria.net Wed Jun 4 17:46:31 2008 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Wed Jun 4 17:48:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Danka Doublecross In-Reply-To: <200806042110.m54LAHlX081857@i2bnetworks.com> References: <200806042110.m54LAHlX081857@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20080604144238.54786D3F@sj1-dm102.mta.everyone.net> At 05:09 PM 6/4/2008, Scott Cappel wrote: >You can't just change a contract midstream. What does your >maintenance agreement say regarding click charges. A common clause in copier maintenance agreements allows the vendor to increase (or decrease) click charges or other terms at any time during the term of the contract by giving the client 30 days' notice. Client can opt out of the contract during that 30-day period if desired. Wording of this nature is advantageous to the vendor,but not to the other party. As a general rule, such clauses should be lined out prior to signing any maintenance agreement. Doug Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From mike at arborprinting.com Wed Jun 4 18:03:34 2008 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Wed Jun 4 18:03:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Heidelberg & invoice References: Message-ID: <026101c8c68e$d56fd1b0$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> If it's gray, you pay. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com mike@arborprinting.com ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I can't wait to see the bill Dan gets for the "sales" call! 2 hour travel time plus consulting with his pressperson. -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls ?Government?s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.? Ronald Reagan On 6/4/08 5:19 PM, "tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com" wrote: > Interesting about the sales guy....speaking of Hied. About a month ago my > production manager called Hied to ask a question about moving our > platesetter. > We were getting ready to clean, seal, and epoxy our floors. Anyway, we > wanted > to make sure didn't mess up any settings with the laser etc. when we moved > it. > The call maybe took 5 minutes and they sent us a bill for $52 dollars. I > mean > good grief! We are not on any service contract etc. and they certainly did > not > tell him that there would be a charge for his question. I'm not sure what > I'm > going to do yet but I sure don't think that was chargeable time. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Wed Jun 4 18:53:52 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Wed Jun 4 18:53:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Danka Doublecross In-Reply-To: <200806042110.m54LAHlX081857@i2bnetworks.com> References: <200806042110.m54LAHlX081857@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <015401c8c695$dc2f1900$6401a8c0@coranew> Barb, I would think that if you have a contract, unless it says they can go up after a certain amount of time, they can't. A Canon company tried to do that to me and I showed them my contract and told them that if need be I would get my lawyer involved. They told me to let them look into it a little further. They came back a couple of days later and said that since it was in my contract that it would be OK, but when the contract was up, it would be two clicks. I got a copier from another company so it never came up again Fight them. Don't let them do that to you!!!!! Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP At 01:11 PM 6/4/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We have a Canon 8500 b/w and a BizHub Pro 6500 CC copier. Both are under >Danka maintenance agreements and both are 1 click per 11 x 17. >We called Danka to correct a billing error on the color machine. >At one time it was double clicking the 11 x 17 and the tech fixed it and >took a >reading but the billing did not reflect the correction. >To make a long story short,our rep came in today for a meeting and told us >that from >now on all Danka customers were going to be billed the double click for 11 x >17 and >there was nothing she could do about it. >I would like to know if anyone has heard anything like this from Danka. We >have been >a customer for over 17 years and we are now exploring other options. > >Barb McPherson >Innsbruck Printing >Buffalo, New York >716-668-6107 >716-668-6109 fax >www.innsbruckprinting.com > > > > >**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with >Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. >(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3158 (20080604) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3158 (20080604) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Wed Jun 4 22:08:50 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:09:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Moving beyond best practices Message-ID: Best article I've seen in a long time, especially considering it's in our own trade pub GAM! That's even better. It's a one page summary (p. 70, May 2008 issue) about the book: gravitational marketing. 'Time Leveraging' is a tool that I've seen a handful of printer's on this list do well with. It is our 'pocket aces'. 'Pocket kings' would have to be 'Ask better questions'. Best, Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson From bherion at bucksdigital.com Thu Jun 5 08:12:09 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Thu Jun 5 08:12:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs.4 Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080605074323.03349d30@bucksdigital.com> For those of you that were interested in the differences (that is being addressed officially as 'feature comparison'), I can quickly outline it for you. 1.The system involving the spectrophotometer and color matching is included in i4 and a $25K option to i3. 2. The streak control system is in i4 and not available for i3. 3. The carrier dispense system (developer added on the fly) is in i4 and not available for i3. These are the feature differences that are noted. Presumably, any of the 400 new parts and features not listed are available as retrofits and are a matter of course, included in normal maintenance.I don't see why the streak and developer improvements can't be retrofits. I have that question in to Xerox. Worthy of note is that Xerox, although laying claim to perfection in marketing articles, limits their feature description language to adjectives such as "improved" and "minimized". I am of the opinion that a press should have color consistency sheet to sheet, job to job without streaks. In other words, when a press is operated properly, with experienced, quality conscious people, it should perform like, well, ...a press. For the life of me I don't see how and can't remember quite when we accepted these manufacturers bullshit to convince us that less than good was okay. Out of one side of their mouth they talk about how wonderfully perfect their machine is (yes, offset quality, on coated...sure...give me a file and I'll bring you back perfect samples) and out of the other side they tell me that its really the new machine that does all that...well maybe. Maybe its just minimizing their costs and improving their profits. Sheesh. Life was so much simpler with a horizontal camera, developer trays, stripping tables, arc lamps, ... Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From frklins120 at aol.com Thu Jun 5 08:30:17 2008 From: frklins120 at aol.com (frklins120@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 5 08:30:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Danka Doublecross In-Reply-To: <200806042110.m54LAHlX081857@i2bnetworks.com> References: <200806042110.m54LAHlX081857@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <8CA951F0C12992F-D98-723@webmail-dd08.sysops.aol.com> Scott, We thought we were covered in the contract but it says "per click" and nowhere does it define a sheet size. Because our rep told us verbally that it was one click we thought we were covered. Our bad. We have a phone call in to Danka for their final word on this. We can give 30 days notice and change the maintenance company. We own both machines and already have scheduled a meeting with the local guy. I'll let the list know how this turns out. Thanks, Barb McPherson Innsbruck Printing & Mailing Buffalo, New York 716-668-6107 716-668-6109 fax You can't just change a contract midstream. What does your maintenance agreement say regarding click charges.? -----Original Message----- From: Scott Cappel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 5:09 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Danka Doublecross ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? You can't just change a contract midstream. What does your maintenance agreement say regarding click charges.? ? Everything must always be in writing when it comes to contractual agreements.? ? Does it specifically address this issue in your agreement?? ? S.? ? ? At 01:11 PM 6/4/2008, you wrote:? >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? >We have a Canon 8500 b/w and a BizHub Pro 6500 CC copier. Both are under? >Danka maintenance agreements and both are 1 click per 11 x 17.? >We called Danka to correct a billing error on the color machine.? >At one time it was double clicking the 11 x 17 and the tech fixed it and? >took a? >reading but the billing did not reflect the correction.? >To make a long story short,our rep came in today for a meeting and told us? >that from? >now on all Danka customers were going to be billed the double click for 11 x? >17 and? >there was nothing she could do about it.? >I would like to know if anyone has heard anything like this from Danka. We? >have been? >a customer for over 17 years and we are now exploring other options.? >? >Barb McPherson? >Innsbruck Printing? >Buffalo, New York? >716-668-6107? >716-668-6109 fax? >www.innsbruckprinting.com? >? >? >? >? >**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with? >Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.? >(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)? >_______________________________________________? >PrintOwners Discussion List? >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? >__________ NOD32 3158 (20080604) Information __________? >? >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.? >http://www.eset.com? ? _____________________________________________? ? Scott Cappel? ? Sorrento Mesa Printing? 7398 Trade Street? San Diego, CA 92121-2422? 858-527-0800? 858-527-1740 FAX? http://www.sorrentomesa.com? ? LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa? ? Direct Links for Learning:? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html? ? Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider? Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider? Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level? Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider? ? Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu Jun 5 09:09:16 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu Jun 5 09:09:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Finally In-Reply-To: <00fc01c8c67c$b29f7c60$800101df@eprint.local> References: <75258.58543.qm@web38908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <48456630.6090103@satx.rr.com><48455997.12939.5B6E27D9@slb.inkspot.net> <8CA945833888A40-1208-48CB@MBLK-M27.sysops.aol.com><099901c8c655$7a9e1780$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <8CA9492E776B382-628-6C8@webmail-me06.sysops.aol.com> <00fc01c8c67c$b29f7c60$800101df@eprint.local> Message-ID: <8CA95247DE27D44-1790-B13@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com> :? ) Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Brian O'Day To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 3:53 pm Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] RE: Finally ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** They have heard about you Bronx People with Italian names. . Brian O'Day ePRINT 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland Oregon 97223 (503)684-267 Brianoday@eprint.us www.eprint.us -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:47 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Finally ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Come to mention it, I feel left out? Why is everyone else getting to have all the fun? I want to play to? Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Dan Huntingford To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:13 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Finally ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? >Good day,? > my name is Rev polo and will like to order some flyers and i will need > the Qty 98,500 with the size of 8.5''x11'' in full copies Black Ink on > Yellow Paper l want you to write of the flyer (Love One Another).I want > you to go ahead and quote me the total pick up prices plus tax without > shipping? ===========================? ? Finally, after all this time listening to you guys brag about your big orders to ship to Africa, I finally got one too.? ? Thanks Rev polo, I'm in the club at last.? ? Dan Huntingford? SOS Printing? 2319 Washington Street? Port Townsend, WA 98368? Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF? sos@olympus.net? (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Jun 5 09:11:08 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Thu Jun 5 09:11:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Danka Doublecross In-Reply-To: <8CA951F0C12992F-D98-723@webmail-dd08.sysops.aol.com> References: <200806042110.m54LAHlX081857@i2bnetworks.com> <8CA951F0C12992F-D98-723@webmail-dd08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <004001c8c70d$9e454060$6401a8c0@coranew> Barb, you can pull up old invoices and prove that they have been charging 11x17 as one click in the past. That should prove what a click has been during the life of your contract. JMT Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From jdaghir at gmail.com Thu Jun 5 09:10:57 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Thu Jun 5 09:11:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Heidelberg In-Reply-To: <0a2d01c8c678$0b9db840$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <09d201c8c663$cd28e350$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <0a2d01c8c678$0b9db840$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <83d5b9620806050610t5d587865q8dd5c1d7cc7f361d@mail.gmail.com> I had a courtsey service call from MBO once. They had a service guy on a call in a city about 30 miles from here. Apparently he finished there early and had some time to kill so he drove here and spent about 2 hours tuning-up our folder and giving us some training and tips at no charge. I was shocked - especially because we hadn't purchased the folder from MBO. We bought it used on Ebay. Apparently they knew we had it because I had bought parts for it direct from MBO. Excellent company with excellent service. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Dan said: > I just had a courtesy call from Heidelberg. That never happened before. From mkahny at gmail.com Thu Jun 5 09:41:26 2008 From: mkahny at gmail.com (Michael Kahny) Date: Thu Jun 5 09:41:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Moving beyond best practices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7bb924c10806050641l584027cau811c9e6d87b105d1@mail.gmail.com> *Here is a link to the article for those interested. http://tinyurl.com/5hwvmp* On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:08 PM, larry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Best article I've seen in a long time, especially considering it's in our > own trade pub GAM! That's even better. > > It's a one page summary (p. 70, May 2008 issue) about the book: > gravitational marketing. > > 'Time Leveraging' is a tool that I've seen > a handful of printer's on this list do well with. > > It is our 'pocket aces'. > > 'Pocket kings' would have to be 'Ask better questions'. > > Best, > Larry Taylor > Desert Pacific Printing > Tucson > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Thu Jun 5 10:04:10 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Thu Jun 5 10:05:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Heidelberg & invoice In-Reply-To: <026101c8c68e$d56fd1b0$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> References: <026101c8c68e$d56fd1b0$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <4847F25A.40809@satx.rr.com> The service guy used to drop in fairly often doing courtesy calls at a shop I worked at in the Panhandle. Just a how's it running, I'm in the area type of thing. Never a cost. I think it was something they had the techs do when they didn't really have any work. Sort of remember H service, we are around if you need us. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax > > > I can't wait to see the bill Dan gets for the "sales" call! 2 hour travel > time plus consulting with his pressperson. > > From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Thu Jun 5 10:06:37 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Thu Jun 5 10:06:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Danka Doublecross In-Reply-To: <8CA951F0C12992F-D98-723@webmail-dd08.sysops.aol.com> References: <200806042110.m54LAHlX081857@i2bnetworks.com> <8CA951F0C12992F-D98-723@webmail-dd08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <016f01c8c715$5f985ac0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> On the other hand, your sales person represented the clicks as such and such to you and that can be substantiated by your previous billings whether he would "remember" saying that clicks were to be such and such or not. This statement re the cost of clicks would create and inducement to sign a contract and would become part of the contract. In my opinion, if they don't honor this inducement, they are guilty of misrepresentation and the contract is void and you would be entitled to damages. There, might, however, be a weasel clause in your contract which allows them to do whatever they want in which case that would make it more difficult for you. If there isn't such a clause, I think they would be liable for misrepresentation and material non-performance. It could be worthwhile to spend a few hundred dollars on an attorney. Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of frklins120@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:30 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Danka Doublecross ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Scott, We thought we were covered in the contract but it says "per click" and nowhere does it define a sheet size. Because our rep told us verbally that it was one click we thought we were covered. Our bad. We have a phone call in to Danka for their final word on this. We can give 30 days notice and change the maintenance company. We own both machines and already have scheduled a meeting with the local guy. I'll let the list know how this turns out. Thanks, Barb McPherson Innsbruck Printing & Mailing Buffalo, New York 716-668-6107 716-668-6109 fax You can't just change a contract midstream. What does your maintenance agreement say regarding click charges.? -----Original Message----- From: Scott Cappel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 5:09 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Danka Doublecross ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? You can't just change a contract midstream. What does your maintenance agreement say regarding click charges.? ? Everything must always be in writing when it comes to contractual agreements.? ? Does it specifically address this issue in your agreement?? ? S.? ? ? At 01:11 PM 6/4/2008, you wrote:? >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? >We have a Canon 8500 b/w and a BizHub Pro 6500 CC copier. Both are under? >Danka maintenance agreements and both are 1 click per 11 x 17.? >We called Danka to correct a billing error on the color machine.? >At one time it was double clicking the 11 x 17 and the tech fixed it and? >took a? >reading but the billing did not reflect the correction.? >To make a long story short,our rep came in today for a meeting and told us? >that from? >now on all Danka customers were going to be billed the double click for 11 x? >17 and? >there was nothing she could do about it.? >I would like to know if anyone has heard anything like this from Danka. We? >have been? >a customer for over 17 years and we are now exploring other options.? >? >Barb McPherson? >Innsbruck Printing? >Buffalo, New York? >716-668-6107? >716-668-6109 fax? >www.innsbruckprinting.com? >? >? >? >? >**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with? >Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.? >(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)? >_______________________________________________? >PrintOwners Discussion List? >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? >__________ NOD32 3158 (20080604) Information __________? >? >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.? >http://www.eset.com? ? _____________________________________________? ? Scott Cappel? ? Sorrento Mesa Printing? 7398 Trade Street? San Diego, CA 92121-2422? 858-527-0800? 858-527-1740 FAX? http://www.sorrentomesa.com? ? LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa? ? Direct Links for Learning:? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html? ? Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider? Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider? Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level? Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider? ? Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From soneal at conestogadpi.com Thu Jun 5 11:17:16 2008 From: soneal at conestogadpi.com (Shawn O'Neal) Date: Thu Jun 5 11:17:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printed Binders Short run In-Reply-To: <016f01c8c715$5f985ac0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: <014101c8c71f$4023c9e0$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> I need a source for a short run (50) 4 color printed plastic binders. Anyone have a good source? Shawn O'Neal Conestoga dpi 246 N Lincoln Ave Lebanon PA 17046 717-389-0350 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gordon Watt Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 10:07 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Danka Doublecross ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On the other hand, your sales person represented the clicks as such and such to you and that can be substantiated by your previous billings whether he would "remember" saying that clicks were to be such and such or not. This statement re the cost of clicks would create and inducement to sign a contract and would become part of the contract. In my opinion, if they don't honor this inducement, they are guilty of misrepresentation and the contract is void and you would be entitled to damages. There, might, however, be a weasel clause in your contract which allows them to do whatever they want in which case that would make it more difficult for you. If there isn't such a clause, I think they would be liable for misrepresentation and material non-performance. It could be worthwhile to spend a few hundred dollars on an attorney. Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of frklins120@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:30 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Danka Doublecross ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Scott, We thought we were covered in the contract but it says "per click" and nowhere does it define a sheet size. Because our rep told us verbally that it was one click we thought we were covered. Our bad. We have a phone call in to Danka for their final word on this. We can give 30 days notice and change the maintenance company. We own both machines and already have scheduled a meeting with the local guy. I'll let the list know how this turns out. Thanks, Barb McPherson Innsbruck Printing & Mailing Buffalo, New York 716-668-6107 716-668-6109 fax You can't just change a contract midstream. What does your maintenance agreement say regarding click charges.? -----Original Message----- From: Scott Cappel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 5:09 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Danka Doublecross ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? You can't just change a contract midstream. What does your maintenance agreement say regarding click charges.? ? Everything must always be in writing when it comes to contractual agreements.? ? Does it specifically address this issue in your agreement?? ? S.? ? ? At 01:11 PM 6/4/2008, you wrote:? >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? >We have a Canon 8500 b/w and a BizHub Pro 6500 CC copier. Both are under? >Danka maintenance agreements and both are 1 click per 11 x 17.? >We called Danka to correct a billing error on the color machine.? >At one time it was double clicking the 11 x 17 and the tech fixed it and? >took a? >reading but the billing did not reflect the correction.? >To make a long story short,our rep came in today for a meeting and told us? >that from? >now on all Danka customers were going to be billed the double click for 11 x? >17 and? >there was nothing she could do about it.? >I would like to know if anyone has heard anything like this from Danka. We? >have been? >a customer for over 17 years and we are now exploring other options.? >? >Barb McPherson? >Innsbruck Printing? >Buffalo, New York? >716-668-6107? >716-668-6109 fax? >www.innsbruckprinting.com? >? >? >? >? >**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with? >Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.? >(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)? >_______________________________________________? >PrintOwners Discussion List? >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? >__________ NOD32 3158 (20080604) Information __________? >? >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.? >http://www.eset.com? ? _____________________________________________? ? Scott Cappel? ? Sorrento Mesa Printing? 7398 Trade Street? San Diego, CA 92121-2422? 858-527-0800? 858-527-1740 FAX? http://www.sorrentomesa.com? ? LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa? ? 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Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From slb at inkspot.net Thu Jun 5 11:22:45 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Jun 5 11:24:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Heidelberg -- now MBO In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620806050610t5d587865q8dd5c1d7cc7f361d@mail.gmail.com> References: , <0a2d01c8c678$0b9db840$6900a8c0@DANIEL>, <83d5b9620806050610t5d587865q8dd5c1d7cc7f361d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4847CC85.15061.64FF1A1D@slb.inkspot.net> Speaking of MBO, we've owned one of their folders for about 10 years, and we just sent two employees to their "advanced fold school" last month. It's a 3-day course, and you come out of it knowing more about paper folding than you thought there was to know, and with the phone number of MBO's training guy (Dave T) for when you get in over your head. As long as you own their equipment, they charge nothing for the course. Fortunately, we're close enough to one of their teaching locations to make it a long commute, so we don't have to spring for hotels and meals (they feed you lunches). Having taken the course myself a number of years ago, and having seen the skill and confidence difference in our two recent attendees, I can't think of a better training deal.... Steve > > I had a courtsey service call from MBO once. They had a service guy on > a call in a city about 30 miles from here. Apparently he finished > there early and had some time to kill so he drove here and spent about > 2 hours tuning-up our folder and giving us some training and tips at > no charge. I was shocked - especially because we hadn't purchased the > folder from MBO. We bought it used on Ebay. Apparently they knew we > had it because I had bought parts for it direct from MBO. Excellent > company with excellent service. > > -- > Jeff Daghir > MPS Printing, Inc. > "The Ink & Paper People" > Madison, IN > www.mpsprinting.com > jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com > > Dan said: > > I just had a courtesy call from Heidelberg. That never happened before. > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3161 (20080605) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From sos at olympus.net Thu Jun 5 11:29:09 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Jun 5 11:29:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Heidelberg References: <09d201c8c663$cd28e350$6900a8c0@DANIEL><0a2d01c8c678$0b9db840$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <83d5b9620806050610t5d587865q8dd5c1d7cc7f361d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0ae501c8c720$e688b920$6900a8c0@DANIEL> MBO. Excellent > company with excellent service. > ======================= Well, I got a faxed invoice from Heidelberg this morning for .25 OR Labor, Travel Zone 004, Zone Charges 1.0 Description of Service Performed: Courtesy visit. Talk about Heidelberg consurnables. Terms 10 days 2%, 30 days due net. with my signature. But no charge. Odd. I agree with you on the MBO. Quality machines, quality service, don't nickel and dime you. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Thu Jun 5 12:14:03 2008 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Thu Jun 5 12:14:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Standard Horizon BQ-140 Perfect Binder Problems Message-ID: We're having problems with making perfect bound books that contain coated sheets for the guts. Sheets are coming out. We've tried long grain and short grain, and the problem persists. Any suggestions? Thank you very much. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying From rstor at copycats.com Thu Jun 5 12:19:14 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Thu Jun 5 12:20:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Standard Horizon BQ-140 Perfect Binder Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48481202.1040407@copycats.com> Bernie, 1. Are you notching the book block? 2. Are these digital sheets? If so, does the toner bleed in the gutter? Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Bernard Bahn wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We're having problems with making perfect bound books that contain coated > sheets for the guts. Sheets are coming out. We've tried long grain and short > grain, and the problem persists. > > Any suggestions? Thank you very much. > > > Respectfully, > > > > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc > 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 > > Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | > bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com > > http://www.creativeimaginginc.com > Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From printer at ptialaska.net Thu Jun 5 12:20:43 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Thu Jun 5 12:20:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080605074323.03349d30@bucksdigital.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080605074323.03349d30@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <53633CE2-D7C5-498F-8BEA-E29512705191@ptialaska.net> How do these 2 machines compare??? _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From dave at mobile-print.com Thu Jun 5 15:48:55 2008 From: dave at mobile-print.com (Dave Peters) Date: Thu Jun 5 12:46:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bourg BST problem Message-ID: <48484327.8060002@mobile-print.com> We have a Bourg BST 10 collator that started giving us an error that says "cell". When this happens the collator stops and will not reset unless it is turned off and unplugged for a minute or two. This keeps happening over and over agian. The manual doesnt identify the problem. Any ideas?? I hate to call in for service, $75 trip charge, $150 for the first hour (1 hour min) and $125 additional hours. For some reason I havent been able to reply to posts. They dont show up or bounce back but I can post new ones... Thanks, Dave Peters Mobile Print. Mt. Prospect, Illinois From peter at keystonepress.com Thu Jun 5 12:46:49 2008 From: peter at keystonepress.com (Peter Church) Date: Thu Jun 5 12:47:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo In-Reply-To: <53633CE2-D7C5-498F-8BEA-E29512705191@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <353291C9D8AE44C78CE39BEC577C8D06@key.local> They both compare poorly compared to the Canon C7000. The Igen is twice the cost and twice the cost per click, and the resolution is poor. The quality, especially, faces are quite grainy and blotchy. Xerox does a great job of selling in accounts that already have Xerox machines. They roll the old lease (and maintenane contract) into the new lease and maintenance contract and tell you they did you a favor by getting rid of the old lease. The Indigo is twice the cost and twice the click charge and it seems to require a full time press operator to hover over it, instead of pushing the button and walking away. They insist on training you to do self maintenance and then charge you $1700 a month for maintenance! What's up with that? And, that maintenance charge is on top of the 9.8 cents click charge for a 12 x 18 four color click. HP does a great job of selling to a commercial printer's ego. "This is not a copy machine; this is a REAL printing press!". "Real liquid ink, real blankets, real impressions cylinders." Yeah, and a real press operator at $20 to $25 an hour hovering over it. My Canon C7000 arrives next week and I expect to blow the doors off my competition who have Indigo's and I-Gen's! I'm glad to see that Xerox hasn't figured out that it is all about the quality, with their new I-Gen 4 announcement. I will let you know how we make out. But, you should look closely at the Canon C7000 if you are considering an I-Gen or Indigo. Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charles A. Lincoln Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 12:21 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** How do these 2 machines compare??? _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From acepm2 at gmail.com Thu Jun 5 13:01:39 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Thu Jun 5 13:01:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DI Press Help Message-ID: (Please excuse me for the cross posting) Is there anyone out there within a 200-250 mile radius of our company who would be willing to let me hire your pressman/woman for a few days for training on ours here? We could use the help and obviously, I would pay them. If this person is experienced with RIPIT front end as well, that's a plus. Please contact me directly with any and all suggestions. Thanks.... Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com 410-641-3636 From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Thu Jun 5 13:03:44 2008 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Thu Jun 5 13:03:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Standard Horizon BQ-140 Perfect Binder Problems In-Reply-To: <48481202.1040407@copycats.com> Message-ID: Books are nothched. They are iGen digital sheets. The gutters are free of toner. (Sorry I didn't add this important info earlier.) Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Bernie, 1. Are you notching the book block? 2. Are these digital sheets? If so, does the toner bleed in the gutter? Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Bernard Bahn wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We're having problems with making perfect bound books that contain coated > sheets for the guts. Sheets are coming out. We've tried long grain and short > grain, and the problem persists. > > Any suggestions? Thank you very much. > > > Respectfully, > > > > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc > 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 > > Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | > bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com > > http://www.creativeimaginginc.com > Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1484 - Release Date: 6/4/2008 4:40 PM From bcreighton at danielsprinting.us Thu Jun 5 13:09:45 2008 From: bcreighton at danielsprinting.us (Bill Creighton) Date: Thu Jun 5 13:11:39 2008 Subject: SPAM-LOW: [PrintOwners] Bourg BST problem In-Reply-To: <48484327.8060002@mobile-print.com> References: <48484327.8060002@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <48481DD9.7070602@danielsprinting.us> Dave: We also have one. The error code "cell" means that there is dirt, powder, a piece of paper, or something in one of the photocells. I could be in the collator (each bin has a cell) or in the cell located where the collated sheets enter the stitcher. We usually wipe or blow the cells out when this happens. It should then go away. HTH, Bill Dave Peters wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have a Bourg BST 10 collator that started giving us an error that > says "cell". When this happens the collator stops and will not reset > unless it is turned off and unplugged for a minute or two. This keeps > happening over and over agian. The manual doesnt identify the problem. > > Any ideas?? I hate to call in for service, $75 trip charge, $150 for > the first hour (1 hour min) and $125 additional hours. > > For some reason I havent been able to reply to posts. They dont show > up or bounce back but I can post new ones... > > Thanks, Dave Peters > > Mobile Print. > Mt. Prospect, Illinois > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Bill Creighton Daniels Printing 2141 Priest Bridge Drive #5 Crofton, MD 21114 301.261.3426 bcreighton@danielsprinting.us From dvmonto at optonline.net Thu Jun 5 13:30:58 2008 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Thu Jun 5 13:31:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Standard Horizon BQ-140 Perfect Binder Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We also have the BQ-140. Last year we were having a similar problem and found it was the thermostat that needed replacing. Seems the glue was not getting hot enough. We replaced part #4002932-00 thermostat And 4002355-00 controller Don't know if this will solve your problem but that worked for us. HTH, -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong. - -- Abraham Lincoln On 6/5/08 12:14 PM, "Bernard Bahn" wrote: > We're having problems with making perfect bound books that contain coated > sheets for the guts. Sheets are coming out. We've tried long grain and short > grain, and the problem persists. > > Any suggestions? Thank you very much. From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Thu Jun 5 13:42:57 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Thu Jun 5 13:43:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Half folder Message-ID: Hey...I wasn't sure what you meant by 'any ideas'. It's a simple print/die cut/fold/glue. We recently did 5M of a PMS 281 solid paint job on a normal sized (9x12) folder using Classic Crest cover, drying is not a problem if you know how to print. Not being sarcastic. Then we painted the inside of the folder in a pastel yellow, don't remember the ink number off hand. In your case, we would have a steel rule die made for cutting/scoring, and run it through the folder/gluer.....without seeing it, that is my thought. Larry@ Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ Rob, You'd better print this on a coated stock, with varnish or it will never dry. If you can print it in-house, any die-cutter can fabricate it. If not, call folder express and ask for a price. (800-322-1064) Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com R. Meier wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Here's one I haven't had before. The client wants half of a normal > pocket folder. Just the side with the pocket sealed on the right and > business cards slits. Commodity grade stock with a dark blue pantone > flood. 50,000 finished pieces. Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Rob > From rstor at copycats.com Thu Jun 5 13:44:41 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Thu Jun 5 13:45:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Standard Horizon BQ-140 Perfect Binder Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48482609.9050007@copycats.com> Have you tried binding a set with blank pages, which have not been through the igen? Maybe it's the fuser oil or you may need a different glue - speak with the company that services the binder. Good luck. Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Bernard Bahn wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Books are nothched. They are iGen digital sheets. The gutters are free of > toner. (Sorry I didn't add this important info earlier.) > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Bernie, > > 1. Are you notching the book block? > > 2. Are these digital sheets? If so, does the toner bleed in the gutter? > > Bob Stor > Copycats > New York, NY > 212-557-2111 x20 > www.copycats.com > > Bernard Bahn wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> We're having problems with making perfect bound books that contain coated >> sheets for the guts. Sheets are coming out. We've tried long grain and >> > short > >> grain, and the problem persists. >> >> Any suggestions? Thank you very much. >> >> >> Respectfully, >> >> >> >> Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc >> 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 >> >> Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | >> bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com >> >> http://www.creativeimaginginc.com >> Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1484 - Release Date: 6/4/2008 > 4:40 PM > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From brianoday at eprint.us Thu Jun 5 14:16:28 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Thu Jun 5 14:19:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo vs Cannon 7000 In-Reply-To: <353291C9D8AE44C78CE39BEC577C8D06@key.local> References: <53633CE2-D7C5-498F-8BEA-E29512705191@ptialaska.net> <353291C9D8AE44C78CE39BEC577C8D06@key.local> Message-ID: <006b01c8c738$467cd020$800101df@eprint.local> We had a Cannon 7000 installed last week. WOW the quality is incredible. Landed a new ad agency account already. They loved the quality couldn't tell the difference between the 4 color printing off our GTO from the one we ran on the Cannon. Haven't seen a streak, toner build or anything yet. We even did a 4/4 20 page booklet on 80# coated from a POWER POINT, it had photo's, crossovers and the whole thing is painted it looks perfect. I am sure we will find some weaknesses in this machine but so far we haven't. Brian O'Day ePRINT 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland Oregon 97223 (503)684-267 Brianoday@eprint.us www.eprint.us -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Peter Church Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 9:47 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** They both compare poorly compared to the Canon C7000. The Igen is twice the cost and twice the cost per click, and the resolution is poor. The quality, especially, faces are quite grainy and blotchy. Xerox does a great job of selling in accounts that already have Xerox machines. They roll the old lease (and maintenane contract) into the new lease and maintenance contract and tell you they did you a favor by getting rid of the old lease. The Indigo is twice the cost and twice the click charge and it seems to require a full time press operator to hover over it, instead of pushing the button and walking away. They insist on training you to do self maintenance and then charge you $1700 a month for maintenance! What's up with that? And, that maintenance charge is on top of the 9.8 cents click charge for a 12 x 18 four color click. HP does a great job of selling to a commercial printer's ego. "This is not a copy machine; this is a REAL printing press!". "Real liquid ink, real blankets, real impressions cylinders." Yeah, and a real press operator at $20 to $25 an hour hovering over it. My Canon C7000 arrives next week and I expect to blow the doors off my competition who have Indigo's and I-Gen's! I'm glad to see that Xerox hasn't figured out that it is all about the quality, with their new I-Gen 4 announcement. I will let you know how we make out. But, you should look closely at the Canon C7000 if you are considering an I-Gen or Indigo. Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charles A. Lincoln Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 12:21 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** How do these 2 machines compare??? _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Thu Jun 5 15:48:42 2008 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Thu Jun 5 15:48:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] update on BQ 140 perfect binding with coated sheets Message-ID: Maybe this will help somebody so here's what I learned from Standard Horizon technical help regarding perfect bind problems with coated sheets: - the problem lies with the silicone oil (fuser oil) from iGen; it does not play well with the glue - have Xerox adjust the amount of oil that's laid down; they often have it kicked up - uncoated sheets are not a problem since they absorb enough of the oil - long grain is better - the BQ 140 notches but does not mill; even if it did mill it would only help so much - let the sheets sit for a day or two if possible; the silicone may evaporate a little - change to a different glue, HM221; it may help some according to some users (make sure your dealer will support this glue for this unit) - have your dealer raise the notch, so it notches a little deeper Bottom line, even if you take all these precautions, you may still have issues. The only certain solution is to upgrade to an industrial type binder that uses a special glue that is more compatible with silicone oil. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying From greg at pressexpress.org Thu Jun 5 16:08:43 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Thu Jun 5 16:09:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo vs Cannon 7000 In-Reply-To: <006b01c8c738$467cd020$800101df@eprint.local> References: <53633CE2-D7C5-498F-8BEA-E29512705191@ptialaska.net> <353291C9D8AE44C78CE39BEC577C8D06@key.local> <006b01c8c738$467cd020$800101df@eprint.local> Message-ID: <25196825-3FAC-4EE0-8116-1709F5FAD9AD@pressexpress.org> What did this machine cost you? Greg On Jun 5, 2008, at 1:16 PM, Brian O'Day wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We had a Cannon 7000 installed last week. WOW the quality is > incredible. > Landed a new ad agency account already. They loved the quality > couldn't tell > the difference between the 4 color printing off our GTO from the one > we ran > on the Cannon. Haven't seen a streak, toner build or anything yet. > We even > did a 4/4 20 page booklet on 80# coated from a POWER POINT, it had > photo's, > crossovers and the whole thing is painted it looks perfect. > I am sure we will find some weaknesses in this machine but so far we > haven't. > > Brian O'Day > ePRINT > 9970 SW Greenburg Rd > Portland Oregon 97223 > (503)684-267 > > Brianoday@eprint.us > > www.eprint.us > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Peter Church > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 9:47 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > They both compare poorly compared to the Canon C7000. > > The Igen is twice the cost and twice the cost per click, and the > resolution > is poor. The quality, especially, faces are quite grainy and > blotchy. Xerox > does a great job of selling in accounts that already have Xerox > machines. > They roll the old lease (and maintenane contract) into the new lease > and > maintenance contract and tell you they did you a favor by getting > rid of the > old lease. > > The Indigo is twice the cost and twice the click charge and it seems > to > require a full time press operator to hover over it, instead of > pushing the > button and walking away. They insist on training you to do self > maintenance > and then charge you $1700 a month for maintenance! What's up with > that? And, > that maintenance charge is on top of the 9.8 cents click charge for > a 12 x > 18 four color click. > > HP does a great job of selling to a commercial printer's ego. "This > is not a > copy machine; this is a REAL printing press!". "Real liquid ink, real > blankets, real impressions cylinders." Yeah, and a real press > operator at > $20 to $25 an hour hovering over it. > > My Canon C7000 arrives next week and I expect to blow the doors off my > competition who have Indigo's and I-Gen's! I'm glad to see that > Xerox hasn't > figured out that it is all about the quality, with their new I-Gen 4 > announcement. > > I will let you know how we make out. But, you should look closely at > the > Canon C7000 if you are considering an I-Gen or Indigo. > > > Peter Church > Keystone Press, LLC > 9 Old Falls Road > Manchester, NH 03103 > phone: 603-622-5222 > fax: 603-622-9432 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charles A. > Lincoln > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 12:21 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > How do these 2 machines compare??? > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com Thu Jun 5 16:27:19 2008 From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat) Date: Thu Jun 5 16:27:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DI Press Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thom, I think you can send your pressman to Heidelberg and they will train him of free. You may want to call them and find out. Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Thom Gulyas Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 1:02 PM To: printownersng; Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only; DI-press-owners@googlegroups.com Subject: [PrintOwners] DI Press Help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** (Please excuse me for the cross posting) Is there anyone out there within a 200-250 mile radius of our company who would be willing to let me hire your pressman/woman for a few days for training on ours here? We could use the help and obviously, I would pay them. If this person is experienced with RIPIT front end as well, that's a plus. Please contact me directly with any and all suggestions. Thanks.... Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com 410-641-3636 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Thu Jun 5 16:45:42 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Jun 5 16:46:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DI Press Help References: Message-ID: <0bb701c8c74d$1f1a5dd0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > I think you can send your pressman to Heidelberg and they will train him > of > free. You may want to call them and find out. ================= What makes you think it's a Heidelberg? He just says it's a DI. Could be a Ryobi, a 74 Karat or a Genius 52 by KBA, or a Presstek DI or even one of those Xerox or Kodak DIs that they sold for a while (rebranded Ryobis). Heidelberg's classes are very reasonably priced, I think $225 to $450, they do entail getting to Cypress, California or Kennesaw, Georgia or Buffalo Grove, Illinois or Cranbury, New Jersey and I no longer see DI classes listed. XL105 sure, but a used DI nope. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Thu Jun 5 17:36:05 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Thu Jun 5 17:36:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo vs Cannon 7000 In-Reply-To: <006b01c8c738$467cd020$800101df@eprint.local> Message-ID: I've demoed the HP and the Canon. From what I've seen the Canon can do EVERYTHING the HP can do, at a much more attractive price point. I've spoken to a few local printers that I hold in very high esteem (each over $3 million a year in sales), and they all concur that the Canon is where its at. They agree that they only reason Canon doesn't own the digital color market, is because they came into it so late. But all agree it is the superior product. I'd still recommend a lot of research, as most of what I'm saying is second hand, but this is definitely what I'm getting. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Brian O'Day > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 11:16:28 -0700 > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo vs Cannon 7000 > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We had a Cannon 7000 installed last week. WOW the quality is incredible. > Landed a new ad agency account already. They loved the quality couldn't tell > the difference between the 4 color printing off our GTO from the one we ran > on the Cannon. Haven't seen a streak, toner build or anything yet. We even > did a 4/4 20 page booklet on 80# coated from a POWER POINT, it had photo's, > crossovers and the whole thing is painted it looks perfect. > I am sure we will find some weaknesses in this machine but so far we > haven't. > > Brian O'Day > ePRINT > 9970 SW Greenburg Rd > Portland Oregon 97223 > (503)684-267 > > Brianoday@eprint.us > > www.eprint.us > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Peter Church > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 9:47 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > They both compare poorly compared to the Canon C7000. > > The Igen is twice the cost and twice the cost per click, and the resolution > is poor. The quality, especially, faces are quite grainy and blotchy. Xerox > does a great job of selling in accounts that already have Xerox machines. > They roll the old lease (and maintenane contract) into the new lease and > maintenance contract and tell you they did you a favor by getting rid of the > old lease. > > The Indigo is twice the cost and twice the click charge and it seems to > require a full time press operator to hover over it, instead of pushing the > button and walking away. They insist on training you to do self maintenance > and then charge you $1700 a month for maintenance! What's up with that? And, > that maintenance charge is on top of the 9.8 cents click charge for a 12 x > 18 four color click. > > HP does a great job of selling to a commercial printer's ego. "This is not a > copy machine; this is a REAL printing press!". "Real liquid ink, real > blankets, real impressions cylinders." Yeah, and a real press operator at > $20 to $25 an hour hovering over it. > > My Canon C7000 arrives next week and I expect to blow the doors off my > competition who have Indigo's and I-Gen's! I'm glad to see that Xerox hasn't > figured out that it is all about the quality, with their new I-Gen 4 > announcement. > > I will let you know how we make out. But, you should look closely at the > Canon C7000 if you are considering an I-Gen or Indigo. > > > Peter Church > Keystone Press, LLC > 9 Old Falls Road > Manchester, NH 03103 > phone: 603-622-5222 > fax: 603-622-9432 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charles A. Lincoln > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 12:21 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > How do these 2 machines compare??? > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From bherion at bucksdigital.com Thu Jun 5 17:36:20 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Thu Jun 5 17:45:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PERFECT BIND GLUE Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080605172724.032f1a90@bucksdigital.com> Gentlemen, I run iGens. I have Standard Horizon BQ-270. I glue coated books both text and cover. WAS there a problem - you bet! I have found the glue to use. It stinks with an odor that some find offensive so you will want to ventilate. go to usadhesive.com you want their hot melt #661 white ANOTHER "TRICK"...use Krylon #1311 Matte Spray on the spine. You only need a single quick pass spray. It will dry FAST and not be noticed. I have sprayed it over igen printing on a coated sheet and have had it stick (if you get the 661 glue, you won't need this trick). Last resort...lightly sand spine with emory (above is better, cleaner, less labor and WORKS). Hope that helps. Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From kellycrom at gmail.com Thu Jun 5 17:46:46 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Thu Jun 5 17:48:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo vs Cannon 7000 In-Reply-To: References: <006b01c8c738$467cd020$800101df@eprint.local> Message-ID: <017701c8c755$a9ab1bd0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> On the Canon, I would really like to wait and see it's performance/service needs after a few hundred thousand clicks. A few years ago Canon hyped up their 4000 to us, and we bit. After about 75000 clicks, the service calls increased, and never really leveled off. Since this is a fairly new machine, let's see if everyone still loves it after 6 months. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! From dennis.trump at gmail.com Thu Jun 5 18:06:51 2008 From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump) Date: Thu Jun 5 18:06:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo vs Cannon 7000 In-Reply-To: <017701c8c755$a9ab1bd0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <006b01c8c738$467cd020$800101df@eprint.local> <017701c8c755$a9ab1bd0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <41aa6a080806051506y12ba587fo9b16b18b026bc6c@mail.gmail.com> > On the Canon, I would really like to wait and see it's performance/service > needs after a few hundred thousand clicks. A few years ago Canon hyped up > their 4000 to us, and we bit. After about 75000 clicks, the service calls > increased, and never really leveled off. Since this is a fairly new > machine, > let's see if everyone still loves it after 6 months. > Boy oh Boy am I with you on that one Kelly. I demoed the 7000 also. I agree very impressive piece of equipment but so was the 3900/4000 that I have when we put it in. Still a good machine if and when it runs and of course the registration was simply awful but of course that was our fault, or the paper, or the humidity, or the fumes in the plant, or because it was cloudy. It's hard to get that bad taste out of my mouth. Danka/Canon dropped the ball on that one. Didn't I hear someone filed a lawsuit against them regarding that machine? I probably should have jumped into that line. -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 From andrew.flamm at gmail.com Thu Jun 5 18:07:19 2008 From: andrew.flamm at gmail.com (Andy Flamm) Date: Thu Jun 5 18:07:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Inkjet Posters Fading In-Reply-To: <8CA945ADF2D4000-1208-4A1C@MBLK-M27.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA945ADF2D4000-1208-4A1C@MBLK-M27.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks for your suggestions. My best guess right now is that the paper formulation was recently changed (the name was changed as well). I'll try another paper and see if it still happens. We use only HP inks and most of what we are using now we have been using since we bought the machine. Andy On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Tommy Melendez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Right off the bat, check with your supplier.? DO NOT start purchasing on > price alone.? Make sure you purchase from a reputable dealer, one that will > have no problem investigating these types of problems.? Ink manufacturing is > not a perfect process.? Check with your dealer first.? Also could be that > your running aqueous ink on solvent material or vise versa.? Just because > you can print on it, doesn't mean it will withstand the elements > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Flamm > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only < > printowners@printweb.org> > Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 4:21 pm > Subject: [PrintOwners] Inkjet Posters Fading > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The colors off our HP 5500PS large format inkjet are rapidly fading (over a > matter of days). I don't think this used to happen, but we've started > noticing it lately. We printed a bunch of posters that hang in our store > with no direct sunlight, just fluorescent tubes, and they are noticeably > faded except where they were covered by the frames. Could this be due to an > ink problem or perhaps a reformulation of the paper we buy? > > Andy Flamm > > -- > Cedar Business Printing > 345 Cedar Street, Suite 256 > Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101 > > 651-293-3904 voice > 651-293-3905 fax > > andy@CedarBusinessPrinting.com > www.CedarBusinessPrinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Cedar Business Printing 345 Cedar Street, Suite 256 Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101 651-293-3904 voice 651-293-3905 fax andy@CedarBusinessPrinting.com www.CedarBusinessPrinting.com From craig at newhavenprint.com Thu Jun 5 18:42:03 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Thu Jun 5 18:36:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo In-Reply-To: <353291C9D8AE44C78CE39BEC577C8D06@key.local> References: <353291C9D8AE44C78CE39BEC577C8D06@key.local> Message-ID: <48486BBB.8000809@newhavenprint.com> Good luck and congrats Peter. Hopefully you have good service in your area. I wouldn't even consider a Canon color machine in my market. I have enough grief getting them to keep our B&W machines running. I can't say I agree with a lot of your post either, but we're talking about totally different machines. The Canon C7000 isn't going to be able to produce even remotely the volume of what the iGen can easily. It's only about 60% as productive. I'd probably compare it closer to the KM6500. Maybe in between the two? Canon's web site lists a recommended maximum clicks on the C7000 at 300,000 a month. Will that do it for you? If so, great. I originally thought that would be a huge volume until we started running the iGen and saw what it could do. We're averaging over 450k a month and that's not pushing it - even on one shift. A lot of iGen's are running well over a million impressions a month. Again, we're talking VERY different machines - one is a production press - the other is classified as a mid-volume press. I won't argue image quality with you. I've heard the Canon looks great. I just haven't seen any Canon samples that knocked my socks off any more than off an iGen, or even a KM6500. Quality is very subjective - productivity isn't. Productivity is also relient on uptime. With the iGen, our operator can fix most of any issues that come up - that's what two weeks of service training will do for you. We rarely are waiting for a service tech from Xerox. I'm sure the quality of your service will be a big determining factor in the reliability/success of your machine. Please keep us posted on how it goes. I just wouldn't start bragging until you actually run a job on it. ;-) And as far as blowing the doors off the Indigo's and iGen's. Good luck with that. I could give you a long list of reasons why that probably won't happen, but I sincerely wish you well. Craig Dellinger President New Haven Print & Copy Fort Wayne, Indiana USA Peter Church wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > They both compare poorly compared to the Canon C7000. > > The Igen is twice the cost and twice the cost per click > The Indigo is twice the cost and twice the click charge > My Canon C7000 arrives next week and I expect to blow the doors off my > competition who have Indigo's and I-Gen's! I'm glad to see that Xerox hasn't > figured out that it is all about the quality, with their new I-Gen 4 > announcement. > > I will let you know how we make out. But, you should look closely at the > Canon C7000 if you are considering an I-Gen or Indigo. > > > Peter Church > Keystone Press, LLC > > From KLMeredith at aol.com Thu Jun 5 18:49:22 2008 From: KLMeredith at aol.com (KLMeredith@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 5 18:49:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Press Wash Use Message-ID: Amazing stuff. Today a large wasp buzzed by my head while standing next to press, and he then alighted on the nearby window. Grabbed the squirt bottle of wash and one little squirt and he (she?) dropped immediately. Better than Raid! What else can this stuff do? Ken Meredith Meredith Graphics, Cleveland, OH **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) From Artigy1 at aol.com Thu Jun 5 19:52:09 2008 From: Artigy1 at aol.com (Artigy1@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 5 19:52:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Press Wash Use Message-ID: Deglazer works about 4 times faster. That's what we squirt on the wasp nests that grow on the building. Press wash still gives them time to chase us and is more sporting. Roger Jackson Artigy Printing Company In a message dated 6/5/2008 6:50:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, KLMeredith@aol.com writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Amazing stuff. Today a large wasp buzzed by my head while standing next to press, and he then alighted on the nearby window. Grabbed the squirt bottle of wash and one little squirt and he (she?) dropped immediately. Better than Raid! What else can this stuff do? Ken Meredith Meredith Graphics, Cleveland, OH **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) From bill at mauiprintworks.com Thu Jun 5 22:53:07 2008 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:53:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Press Wash Use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12DF95AC-FF75-419B-B720-9328FAF5D2BC@mauiprintworks.com> So if I put deglazer in on of the kids super soakers could I get the wasps way up in the eves, or would it just melt up the plastic? I'm sure that's not very environmental/safety friendly. Must be a guy thing, my wife would say, "What are you doing?!?!!", "Oh nothing" or "Just playing". Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793 bill@mauiprintworks.com 808-242-6634 > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Deglazer works about 4 times faster. That's what we squirt on the > wasp > nests that grow on the building. Press wash still gives them time > to chase us > and is more sporting. > > Roger Jackson > Artigy Printing Company > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Amazing stuff. Today a large wasp buzzed by my head while > standing next to > press, and he then alighted on the nearby window. Grabbed the > squirt bottle > of > wash and one little squirt and he (she?) dropped immediately. > Better than > Raid! > What else can this stuff do? > > Ken Meredith > Meredith Graphics, Cleveland, OH > From tom at printfastusa.com Thu Jun 5 23:16:17 2008 From: tom at printfastusa.com (=?utf-8?B?VG9tIExhZmF0YQ==?=) Date: Thu Jun 5 23:16:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Press Wash Use In-Reply-To: <12DF95AC-FF75-419B-B720-9328FAF5D2BC@mauiprintworks.com> References: <12DF95AC-FF75-419B-B720-9328FAF5D2BC@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: <1822383620-1212722180-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-326565349-@bxe153.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I used to that back in 1974 in New York. I forgot all about until I read this message. It was fun but I was only 17 then. I don't think I could out run then now:-) Tom Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Maui Print Works Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:53:07 To:Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Press Wash Use ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** So if I put deglazer in on of the kids super soakers could I get the wasps way up in the eves, or would it just melt up the plastic? I'm sure that's not very environmental/safety friendly. Must be a guy thing, my wife would say, "What are you doing?!?!!", "Oh nothing" or "Just playing". Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793 bill@mauiprintworks.com 808-242-6634 > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Deglazer works about 4 times faster. That's what we squirt on the > wasp > nests that grow on the building. Press wash still gives them time > to chase us > and is more sporting. > > Roger Jackson > Artigy Printing Company > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Amazing stuff. Today a large wasp buzzed by my head while > standing next to > press, and he then alighted on the nearby window. Grabbed the > squirt bottle > of > wash and one little squirt and he (she?) dropped immediately. > Better than > Raid! > What else can this stuff do? > > Ken Meredith > Meredith Graphics, Cleveland, OH > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From acepm2 at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 06:29:02 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Fri Jun 6 06:29:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DI Press Help In-Reply-To: <0bb701c8c74d$1f1a5dd0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <0bb701c8c74d$1f1a5dd0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: Definately a BIG H DI here. Sorry about that... I should have been more clear. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > I think you can send your pressman to Heidelberg and they will train him >> of >> free. You may want to call them and find out. >> > ================= > > What makes you think it's a Heidelberg? He just says it's a DI. Could be > a Ryobi, a 74 Karat or a Genius 52 by KBA, or a Presstek DI or even one of > those Xerox or Kodak DIs that they sold for a while (rebranded Ryobis). > > Heidelberg's classes are very reasonably priced, I think $225 to $450, they > do entail getting to Cypress, California or Kennesaw, Georgia or Buffalo > Grove, Illinois or Cranbury, New Jersey and I no longer see DI classes > listed. > XL105 sure, but a used DI nope. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From acepm2 at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 09:45:59 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Fri Jun 6 09:46:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo In-Reply-To: <48486BBB.8000809@newhavenprint.com> References: <353291C9D8AE44C78CE39BEC577C8D06@key.local> <48486BBB.8000809@newhavenprint.com> Message-ID: ........zzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZIIIIINNNNGGGGG!!!! Am I the only one who heard that??? WOW!!! Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com PS... good luck to both of you!! :) :) :) On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Craig Dellinger wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Good luck and congrats Peter. Hopefully you have good service in your area. > I wouldn't even consider a Canon color machine in my market. I have enough > grief getting them to keep our B&W machines running. > I can't say I agree with a lot of your post either, but we're talking about > totally different machines. The Canon C7000 isn't going to be able to > produce even remotely the volume of what the iGen can easily. It's only > about 60% as productive. I'd probably compare it closer to the KM6500. Maybe > in between the two? Canon's web site lists a recommended maximum clicks on > the C7000 at 300,000 a month. Will that do it for you? If so, great. I > originally thought that would be a huge volume until we started running the > iGen and saw what it could do. We're averaging over 450k a month and that's > not pushing it - even on one shift. A lot of iGen's are running well over a > million impressions a month. Again, we're talking VERY different machines - > one is a production press - the other is classified as a mid-volume press. I > won't argue image quality with you. I've heard the Canon looks great. I just > haven't seen any Canon samples that knocked my socks off any more than off > an iGen, or even a KM6500. Quality is very subjective - productivity isn't. > Productivity is also relient on uptime. With the iGen, our operator can fix > most of any issues that come up - that's what two weeks of service training > will do for you. We rarely are waiting for a service tech from Xerox. I'm > sure the quality of your service will be a big determining factor in the > reliability/success of your machine. Please keep us posted on how it goes. I > just wouldn't start bragging until you actually run a job on it. ;-) > And as far as blowing the doors off the Indigo's and iGen's. Good luck > with that. I could give you a long list of reasons why that probably won't > happen, but I sincerely wish you well. > > Craig Dellinger > President > New Haven Print & Copy > Fort Wayne, Indiana USA > > Peter Church wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> They both compare poorly compared to the Canon C7000. >> >> The Igen is twice the cost and twice the cost per click >> The Indigo is twice the cost and twice the click charge >> My Canon C7000 arrives next week and I expect to blow the doors off my >> competition who have Indigo's and I-Gen's! I'm glad to see that Xerox >> hasn't >> figured out that it is all about the quality, with their new I-Gen 4 >> announcement. >> >> I will let you know how we make out. But, you should look closely at the >> Canon C7000 if you are considering an I-Gen or Indigo. >> >> >> Peter Church >> Keystone Press, LLC >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From frklins120 at aol.com Fri Jun 6 09:57:48 2008 From: frklins120 at aol.com (frklins120@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 6 09:57:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Danka clarification Message-ID: <8CA95F4702FF006-F94-38C7@FWM-D07.sysops.aol.com> Dear Printowners, First off, thank you for your responses to my Danka post 2 days ago. Curiously, I was contacted by my rep to clarify the Danka position on double clicks for 11 x 17. All NEW contracts will be double clicks. It apparently does not affect existing contracts. Is this the wave of the future? I'm wondering how Danka knew about my post to the list. My rep told me someone in St. Louis brought it to the attention of Danka.?I at first? thought Danka was on the list. That being said, I did not speak ill of Danka and in fact have had a good 17-year relationship with them that is about to end.? Heads up to you considering new maintenance agreements with Danka. Barb McPherson Innsbruck Printing & Mailing Buffalo, New York 716-668-6107 716-668-6109 fax www.innsbruckprinting.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri Jun 6 10:05:55 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 6 10:06:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Danka clarification Message-ID: In a message dated 6/6/2008 9:59:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, frklins120@aol.com writes: It apparently does not affect existing contracts. Is this the wave of the future? Not a chance in holy hell that the 1-click chg. for 11x17 will change, not in the print for pay market. It is such a dominant, if not overwhelming practice, that we stopped even asking the question "do you pay 1 click or 2?" on our industry questionnaires. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) From championprinting at yahoo.com Fri Jun 6 10:17:52 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Fri Jun 6 10:18:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo Message-ID: <651734.22825.qm@web38302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> One could interpret it that way. I hear a "caution" message as Canon has jerked the rug out of many of us in the past. I also think a 7? click charge on a unit like the C7000 is excessive if not robbery. I'm not saying that it isn't everything Canon claims, I just not going first (if at all). I consider Peter an astute shopper (and shop owner) and we all know that this business has its risks. Had Canon been a good vendor, there would currently be no KM units in a print for pay situation. JMT, not meant to offend any Canon lurkers. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Thom Gulyas To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Friday, June 6, 2008 9:45:59 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** ........zzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZIIIIINNNNGGGGG!!!! Am I the only one who heard that??? WOW!!! Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com PS... good luck to both of you!! :) :) :) On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Craig Dellinger wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Good luck and congrats Peter. Hopefully you have good service in your area. > I wouldn't even consider a Canon color machine in my market. I have enough > grief getting them to keep our B&W machines running. > I can't say I agree with a lot of your post either, but we're talking about > totally different machines. The Canon C7000 isn't going to be able to > produce even remotely the volume of what the iGen can easily. It's only > about 60% as productive. I'd probably compare it closer to the KM6500. Maybe > in between the two? Canon's web site lists a recommended maximum clicks on > the C7000 at 300,000 a month. Will that do it for you? If so, great. I > originally thought that would be a huge volume until we started running the > iGen and saw what it could do. We're averaging over 450k a month and that's > not pushing it - even on one shift. A lot of iGen's are running well over a > million impressions a month. Again, we're talking VERY different machines - > one is a production press - the other is classified as a mid-volume press. I > won't argue image quality with you. I've heard the Canon looks great. I just > haven't seen any Canon samples that knocked my socks off any more than off > an iGen, or even a KM6500. Quality is very subjective - productivity isn't. > Productivity is also relient on uptime. With the iGen, our operator can fix > most of any issues that come up - that's what two weeks of service training > will do for you. We rarely are waiting for a service tech from Xerox. I'm > sure the quality of your service will be a big determining factor in the > reliability/success of your machine. Please keep us posted on how it goes. I > just wouldn't start bragging until you actually run a job on it. ;-) > And as far as blowing the doors off the Indigo's and iGen's. Good luck > with that. I could give you a long list of reasons why that probably won't > happen, but I sincerely wish you well. > > Craig Dellinger > President > New Haven Print & Copy > Fort Wayne, Indiana USA > > Peter Church wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> They both compare poorly compared to the Canon C7000. >> >> The Igen is twice the cost and twice the cost per click >> The Indigo is twice the cost and twice the click charge >> My Canon C7000 arrives next week and I expect to blow the doors off my >> competition who have Indigo's and I-Gen's! I'm glad to see that Xerox >> hasn't >> figured out that it is all about the quality, with their new I-Gen 4 >> announcement. >> >> I will let you know how we make out. But, you should look closely at the >> Canon C7000 if you are considering an I-Gen or Indigo. >> >> >> Peter Church >> Keystone Press, LLC >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From scottv at regalpress.net Fri Jun 6 10:29:12 2008 From: scottv at regalpress.net (Scott Vicnaire) Date: Fri Jun 6 10:29:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Press Wash Use References: <20080606134610.1B534F7244A@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <001601c8c7e1$b1b38380$0310a8c0@Ellsworth> If you put the press wash in a metal container filled with styrofoam peanuts they will dissolve into a very sticky but highly flammable substance. Mix in a little sray powder to firm it up some and it makes good ammo for the slingshot. Just roll, light, and shoot. It would probably be best to avoid shooting it at vinyl siding, though, and don't forget to wrap the sling pouch with aluminum foil (voice of experience). Scott Vicnaire President Regal Printing & Graphics 140 South Main Street Brewer, ME 04412 989-4100 265 Water Street Ellsworth, ME 04605 667-5227 www.regalpress.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 9:46 AM Subject: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 34, Issue 21 > Send PrintOwners mailing list submissions to > printowners@printweb.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > printowners-request@printweb.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > printowners-owner@printweb.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of PrintOwners digest..." > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Digest ***** > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: iGen3 vs. HP Indigo (Craig Dellinger) > 2. Press Wash Use (KLMeredith@aol.com) > 3. Re: Press Wash Use (Artigy1@aol.com) > 4. Re: Press Wash Use (Maui Print Works) > 5. Re: Press Wash Use ( Tom Lafata ) > 6. Re: DI Press Help (Thom Gulyas) > 7. Re: iGen3 vs. HP Indigo (Thom Gulyas) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:42:03 -0400 > From: Craig Dellinger > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <48486BBB.8000809@newhavenprint.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Good luck and congrats Peter. Hopefully you have good service in your > area. I wouldn't even consider a Canon color machine in my market. I > have enough grief getting them to keep our B&W machines running. > I can't say I agree with a lot of your post either, but we're talking > about totally different machines. The Canon C7000 isn't going to be able > to produce even remotely the volume of what the iGen can easily. It's > only about 60% as productive. I'd probably compare it closer to the > KM6500. Maybe in between the two? Canon's web site lists a recommended > maximum clicks on the C7000 at 300,000 a month. Will that do it for > you? If so, great. I originally thought that would be a huge volume > until we started running the iGen and saw what it could do. We're > averaging over 450k a month and that's not pushing it - even on one > shift. A lot of iGen's are running well over a million impressions a > month. Again, we're talking VERY different machines - one is a > production press - the other is classified as a mid-volume press. I > won't argue image quality with you. I've heard the Canon looks great. I > just haven't seen any Canon samples that knocked my socks off any more > than off an iGen, or even a KM6500. Quality is very subjective - > productivity isn't. Productivity is also relient on uptime. With the > iGen, our operator can fix most of any issues that come up - that's what > two weeks of service training will do for you. We rarely are waiting for > a service tech from Xerox. I'm sure the quality of your service will be > a big determining factor in the reliability/success of your machine. > Please keep us posted on how it goes. I just wouldn't start bragging > until you actually run a job on it. ;-) > And as far as blowing the doors off the Indigo's and iGen's. Good luck > with that. I could give you a long list of reasons why that probably > won't happen, but I sincerely wish you well. > > Craig Dellinger > President > New Haven Print & Copy > Fort Wayne, Indiana USA > > Peter Church wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> They both compare poorly compared to the Canon C7000. >> >> The Igen is twice the cost and twice the cost per click >> The Indigo is twice the cost and twice the click charge >> My Canon C7000 arrives next week and I expect to blow the doors off my >> competition who have Indigo's and I-Gen's! I'm glad to see that Xerox >> hasn't >> figured out that it is all about the quality, with their new I-Gen 4 >> announcement. >> >> I will let you know how we make out. But, you should look closely at the >> Canon C7000 if you are considering an I-Gen or Indigo. >> >> >> Peter Church >> Keystone Press, LLC >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 18:49:22 EDT > From: KLMeredith@aol.com > Subject: [PrintOwners] Press Wash Use > To: printowners@printweb.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Amazing stuff. Today a large wasp buzzed by my head while standing next > to > press, and he then alighted on the nearby window. Grabbed the squirt > bottle of > wash and one little squirt and he (she?) dropped immediately. Better than > Raid! > What else can this stuff do? > > Ken Meredith > Meredith Graphics, Cleveland, OH > > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 19:52:09 EDT > From: Artigy1@aol.com > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Press Wash Use > To: printowners@printweb.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Deglazer works about 4 times faster. That's what we squirt on the wasp > nests that grow on the building. Press wash still gives them time to > chase us > and is more sporting. > > Roger Jackson > Artigy Printing Company > > > In a message dated 6/5/2008 6:50:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > KLMeredith@aol.com writes: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Amazing stuff. Today a large wasp buzzed by my head while standing next > to > press, and he then alighted on the nearby window. Grabbed the squirt > bottle > of > wash and one little squirt and he (she?) dropped immediately. Better > than > Raid! > What else can this stuff do? > > Ken Meredith > Meredith Graphics, Cleveland, OH > > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:53:07 -1000 > From: Maui Print Works > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Press Wash Use > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <12DF95AC-FF75-419B-B720-9328FAF5D2BC@mauiprintworks.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > So if I put deglazer in on of the kids super soakers could I get the > wasps way up in the eves, or would it just melt up the plastic? I'm > sure that's not very environmental/safety friendly. Must be a guy > thing, my wife would say, "What are you doing?!?!!", "Oh nothing" or > "Just playing". > > > Bill Marsh > Maui Print Works > 70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793 > bill@mauiprintworks.com > 808-242-6634 > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Deglazer works about 4 times faster. That's what we squirt on the >> wasp >> nests that grow on the building. Press wash still gives them time >> to chase us >> and is more sporting. >> >> Roger Jackson >> Artigy Printing Company >> >> >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Amazing stuff. Today a large wasp buzzed by my head while >> standing next to >> press, and he then alighted on the nearby window. Grabbed the >> squirt bottle >> of >> wash and one little squirt and he (she?) dropped immediately. >> Better than >> Raid! >> What else can this stuff do? >> >> Ken Meredith >> Meredith Graphics, Cleveland, OH >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 03:16:17 +0000 > From: " Tom Lafata " > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Press Wash Use > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Message-ID: > <1822383620-1212722180-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-326565349-@bxe153.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > I used to that back in 1974 in New York. I forgot all about until I read > this message. It was fun but I was only 17 then. I don't think I could out > run then now:-) > > Tom > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: Maui Print Works > > Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:53:07 > To:Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Press Wash Use > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > So if I put deglazer in on of the kids super soakers could I get the > wasps way up in the eves, or would it just melt up the plastic? I'm > sure that's not very environmental/safety friendly. Must be a guy > thing, my wife would say, "What are you doing?!?!!", "Oh nothing" or > "Just playing". > > > Bill Marsh > Maui Print Works > 70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793 > bill@mauiprintworks.com > 808-242-6634 > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Deglazer works about 4 times faster. That's what we squirt on the >> wasp >> nests that grow on the building. Press wash still gives them time >> to chase us >> and is more sporting. >> >> Roger Jackson >> Artigy Printing Company >> >> >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Amazing stuff. Today a large wasp buzzed by my head while >> standing next to >> press, and he then alighted on the nearby window. Grabbed the >> squirt bottle >> of >> wash and one little squirt and he (she?) dropped immediately. >> Better than >> Raid! >> What else can this stuff do? >> >> Ken Meredith >> Meredith Graphics, Cleveland, OH >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 06:29:02 -0400 > From: "Thom Gulyas" > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] DI Press Help > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Definately a BIG H DI here. Sorry about that... I should have been more > clear. > > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > www.acepm.com > > > > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> I think you can send your pressman to Heidelberg and they will train him >>> of >>> free. You may want to call them and find out. >>> >> ================= >> >> What makes you think it's a Heidelberg? He just says it's a DI. Could >> be >> a Ryobi, a 74 Karat or a Genius 52 by KBA, or a Presstek DI or even one >> of >> those Xerox or Kodak DIs that they sold for a while (rebranded Ryobis). >> >> Heidelberg's classes are very reasonably priced, I think $225 to $450, >> they >> do entail getting to Cypress, California or Kennesaw, Georgia or Buffalo >> Grove, Illinois or Cranbury, New Jersey and I no longer see DI classes >> listed. >> XL105 sure, but a used DI nope. >> >> Dan Huntingford >> SOS Printing >> 2319 Washington Street >> Port Townsend, WA 98368 >> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >> sos@olympus.net >> (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > -- > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > Berlin, Maryland 21811 > www.acepm.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 09:45:59 -0400 > From: "Thom Gulyas" > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > ........zzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZIIIIINNNNGGGGG!!!! > > Am I the only one who heard that??? WOW!!! > > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > www.acepm.com > > PS... good luck to both of you!! :) :) :) > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Craig Dellinger > wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Good luck and congrats Peter. Hopefully you have good service in your >> area. >> I wouldn't even consider a Canon color machine in my market. I have >> enough >> grief getting them to keep our B&W machines running. >> I can't say I agree with a lot of your post either, but we're talking >> about >> totally different machines. The Canon C7000 isn't going to be able to >> produce even remotely the volume of what the iGen can easily. It's only >> about 60% as productive. I'd probably compare it closer to the KM6500. >> Maybe >> in between the two? Canon's web site lists a recommended maximum clicks >> on >> the C7000 at 300,000 a month. Will that do it for you? If so, great. I >> originally thought that would be a huge volume until we started running >> the >> iGen and saw what it could do. We're averaging over 450k a month and >> that's >> not pushing it - even on one shift. A lot of iGen's are running well over >> a >> million impressions a month. Again, we're talking VERY different >> machines - >> one is a production press - the other is classified as a mid-volume >> press. I >> won't argue image quality with you. I've heard the Canon looks great. I >> just >> haven't seen any Canon samples that knocked my socks off any more than >> off >> an iGen, or even a KM6500. Quality is very subjective - productivity >> isn't. >> Productivity is also relient on uptime. With the iGen, our operator can >> fix >> most of any issues that come up - that's what two weeks of service >> training >> will do for you. We rarely are waiting for a service tech from Xerox. >> I'm >> sure the quality of your service will be a big determining factor in the >> reliability/success of your machine. Please keep us posted on how it >> goes. I >> just wouldn't start bragging until you actually run a job on it. ;-) >> And as far as blowing the doors off the Indigo's and iGen's. Good luck >> with that. I could give you a long list of reasons why that probably >> won't >> happen, but I sincerely wish you well. >> >> Craig Dellinger >> President >> New Haven Print & Copy >> Fort Wayne, Indiana USA >> >> Peter Church wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> They both compare poorly compared to the Canon C7000. >>> >>> The Igen is twice the cost and twice the cost per click >>> The Indigo is twice the cost and twice the click charge >>> My Canon C7000 arrives next week and I expect to blow the doors off my >>> competition who have Indigo's and I-Gen's! I'm glad to see that Xerox >>> hasn't >>> figured out that it is all about the quality, with their new I-Gen 4 >>> announcement. >>> >>> I will let you know how we make out. But, you should look closely at the >>> Canon C7000 if you are considering an I-Gen or Indigo. >>> >>> >>> Peter Church >>> Keystone Press, LLC >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > -- > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > Berlin, Maryland 21811 > www.acepm.com > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > End of PrintOwners Digest, Vol 34, Issue 21 > ******************************************* > From robin at protypeonline.com Fri Jun 6 10:29:40 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Fri Jun 6 10:30:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Laser Plates on Offset Press Message-ID: <45BBF4A3-B7A4-4B47-8E5E-D36C8896733D@protypeonline.com> If you use a paper (offset printing) plate that is imaged by putting it through a copier -- what are you using? We are considering using this type of plate to print short run, black or one color only envelopes on an ABDick Press. We experimented with some of these plates about 12 years ago and didn't have much luck but I'm sure many improvements have been made since that time, so thought I would revisit the option. ? Robin Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 Wright Printing Company 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Jun 6 10:49:56 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Jun 6 10:50:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo In-Reply-To: References: <353291C9D8AE44C78CE39BEC577C8D06@key.local> <48486BBB.8000809@newhavenprint.com> Message-ID: <200806061450.m56EoRf5010132@i2bnetworks.com> Uh guys, one thing to remember here. Machines don't make clients happy and satisfied....you do. Whether one machine "blows the doors off another" will not bring clients running to you arms waving over there heads screaming SAVE ME!!! SAVE ME!!! from that other evil machine!!!! One thing some of us forget from time to is that the key to success in this business is to be successful at providing solutions and easing pain, no matter what machine is used to do this. I know we all know this, but heck its always worth remembering the client usually doesn't care what machine you use, as long as they're happy with the results. S. At 06:45 AM 6/6/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >........zzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZIIIIINNNNGGGGG!!!! > >Am I the only one who heard that??? WOW!!! > >Thom Gulyas >ACE Printing & Mailing >www.acepm.com > >PS... good luck to both of you!! :) :) :) > >On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Craig Dellinger >wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Good luck and congrats Peter. Hopefully you have good service in your area. > > I wouldn't even consider a Canon color machine in my market. I have enough > > grief getting them to keep our B&W machines running. > > I can't say I agree with a lot of your post either, but we're talking about > > totally different machines. The Canon C7000 isn't going to be able to > > produce even remotely the volume of what the iGen can easily. It's only > > about 60% as productive. I'd probably compare it closer to the > KM6500. Maybe > > in between the two? Canon's web site lists a recommended maximum clicks on > > the C7000 at 300,000 a month. Will that do it for you? If so, great. I > > originally thought that would be a huge volume until we started running the > > iGen and saw what it could do. We're averaging over 450k a month and that's > > not pushing it - even on one shift. A lot of iGen's are running well over a > > million impressions a month. Again, we're talking VERY different machines - > > one is a production press - the other is classified as a > mid-volume press. I > > won't argue image quality with you. I've heard the Canon looks > great. I just > > haven't seen any Canon samples that knocked my socks off any more than off > > an iGen, or even a KM6500. Quality is very subjective - productivity isn't. > > Productivity is also relient on uptime. With the iGen, our operator can fix > > most of any issues that come up - that's what two weeks of service training > > will do for you. We rarely are waiting for a service tech from Xerox. I'm > > sure the quality of your service will be a big determining factor in the > > reliability/success of your machine. Please keep us posted on how > it goes. I > > just wouldn't start bragging until you actually run a job on it. ;-) > > And as far as blowing the doors off the Indigo's and iGen's. Good luck > > with that. I could give you a long list of reasons why that probably won't > > happen, but I sincerely wish you well. > > > > Craig Dellinger > > President > > New Haven Print & Copy > > Fort Wayne, Indiana USA > > > > Peter Church wrote: > > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> > >> They both compare poorly compared to the Canon C7000. > >> > >> The Igen is twice the cost and twice the cost per click > >> The Indigo is twice the cost and twice the click charge > >> My Canon C7000 arrives next week and I expect to blow the doors off my > >> competition who have Indigo's and I-Gen's! I'm glad to see that Xerox > >> hasn't > >> figured out that it is all about the quality, with their new I-Gen 4 > >> announcement. > >> > >> I will let you know how we make out. But, you should look closely at the > >> Canon C7000 if you are considering an I-Gen or Indigo. > >> > >> > >> Peter Church > >> Keystone Press, LLC > >> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > >-- >Thom Gulyas >ACE Printing & Mailing >Berlin, Maryland 21811 >www.acepm.com >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3163 (20080606) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Fri Jun 6 10:52:35 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Fri Jun 6 10:53:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Press Wash Use In-Reply-To: <001601c8c7e1$b1b38380$0310a8c0@Ellsworth> References: <20080606134610.1B534F7244A@rb.enter.net> <001601c8c7e1$b1b38380$0310a8c0@Ellsworth> Message-ID: <55FA5CBA-8D06-475B-B17A-000820D724E9@inkonpaper.biz> On Jun 6, 2008, at 10:29 AM, Scott Vicnaire wrote: > If you put the press wash in a metal container filled with > styrofoam peanuts they will dissolve into a very sticky but highly > flammable substance. Mix in a little sray powder to firm it up some > and it makes good ammo for the slingshot. Just roll, light, and > shoot. It would probably be best to avoid shooting it at vinyl > siding, though, and don't forget to wrap the sling pouch with > aluminum foil (voice of experience). I can't think of any thing that you could have been doing in the normal course of business that would have lead to this discovery! Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz From cpurvine1 at cox.net Fri Jun 6 11:07:29 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Fri Jun 6 11:07:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Danka clarification In-Reply-To: <8CA95F4702FF006-F94-38C7@FWM-D07.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA95F4702FF006-F94-38C7@FWM-D07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <00c601c8c7e7$09e42aa0$6401a8c0@coranew> That is what I was told after I told them my lawyer would contact them Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of frklins120@aol.com Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:58 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Danka clarification ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dear Printowners, First off, thank you for your responses to my Danka post 2 days ago. Curiously, I was contacted by my rep to clarify the Danka position on double clicks for 11 x 17. All NEW contracts will be double clicks. It apparently does not affect existing contracts. Is this the wave of the future? I'm wondering how Danka knew about my post to the list. My rep told me someone in St. Louis brought it to the attention of Danka.?I at first? thought Danka was on the list. That being said, I did not speak ill of Danka and in fact have had a good 17-year relationship with them that is about to end.? Heads up to you considering new maintenance agreements with Danka. Barb McPherson Innsbruck Printing & Mailing Buffalo, New York 716-668-6107 716-668-6109 fax www.innsbruckprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3163 (20080606) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From stalprint at charter.net Fri Jun 6 11:14:16 2008 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Fri Jun 6 11:14:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Laser Plates on Offset Press In-Reply-To: <45BBF4A3-B7A4-4B47-8E5E-D36C8896733D@protypeonline.com> References: <45BBF4A3-B7A4-4B47-8E5E-D36C8896733D@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <48495448.5050509@charter.net> Hurst Smart Plate on HP 5100 copier Hurst staff can help you set up the driver - it does take special settings. Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > If you use a paper (offset printing) plate that is imaged by putting > it through a copier -- what are you using? > We are considering using this type of plate to print short run, black > or one color only envelopes on an ABDick Press. > We experimented with some of these plates about 12 years ago and > didn't have much luck but I'm sure many improvements have been made > since that time, so thought I would revisit the option. > ? > Robin > > Robin Niewold > robin@protypeonline.com > > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > > Wright Printing Company > 203 North Street > Normal, IL 61761 > 309.452.4409 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From cpurvine1 at cox.net Fri Jun 6 11:33:01 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Fri Jun 6 11:33:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Laser Plates on Offset Press In-Reply-To: <48495448.5050509@charter.net> References: <45BBF4A3-B7A4-4B47-8E5E-D36C8896733D@protypeonline.com> <48495448.5050509@charter.net> Message-ID: <00d001c8c7ea$9ad45320$6401a8c0@coranew> Robin, I have an HP5000 LaserJet that we were using to make plates for our AB Dick, but I am not using it since I sold my press. I could let go pretty cheaply if you are interested. Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Stallings Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:14 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Laser Plates on Offset Press ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hurst Smart Plate on HP 5100 copier Hurst staff can help you set up the driver - it does take special settings. Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > If you use a paper (offset printing) plate that is imaged by putting > it through a copier -- what are you using? > We are considering using this type of plate to print short run, black > or one color only envelopes on an ABDick Press. > We experimented with some of these plates about 12 years ago and > didn't have much luck but I'm sure many improvements have been made > since that time, so thought I would revisit the option. > ? > Robin > > Robin Niewold > robin@protypeonline.com > > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > > Wright Printing Company > 203 North Street > Normal, IL 61761 > 309.452.4409 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3164 (20080606) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From sos at olympus.net Fri Jun 6 11:31:09 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Jun 6 11:33:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Press Wash Use References: <20080606134610.1B534F7244A@rb.enter.net> <001601c8c7e1$b1b38380$0310a8c0@Ellsworth> Message-ID: <0c3b01c8c7ea$58683c40$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > If you put the press wash in a metal container filled with styrofoam > peanuts > they will dissolve into a very sticky but highly flammable substance. Mix > in a little sray powder to firm it up some and it makes good ammo for the > slingshot. Just roll, light, and shoot. It would probably be best to avoid > shooting it at vinyl siding, though, and don't forget to wrap the sling > pouch with aluminum foil (voice of experience). ====================== Now that's good information. If my old college fraternity hadn't lost their charter, I'd forward it on to my young brothers. We used to think water balloon launchers and rocks in snow balls were good clean fun. But fire pellets, that'd be great. Die Pi Kaps. Burn in hell ATO. Oh yeah, good clean fun. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From scottv at regalpress.net Fri Jun 6 12:55:30 2008 From: scottv at regalpress.net (Scott Vicnaire) Date: Fri Jun 6 12:55:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Press Wash Use References: <20080606153332.684B7F72972@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <003f01c8c7f6$21d33070$0310a8c0@Ellsworth> Debt collections! Scott Vicnaire President Regal Printing & Graphics 140 South Main Street Brewer, ME 04412 989-4100 265 Water Street Ellsworth, ME 04605 667-5227 www.regalpress.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 11:33 AM Subject: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 34, Issue 23 > Send PrintOwners mailing list submissions to > printowners@printweb.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > printowners-request@printweb.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > printowners-owner@printweb.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of PrintOwners digest..." > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Digest ***** > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Laser Plates on Offset Press (Robin Niewold) > 2. Re: iGen3 vs. HP Indigo (Scott Cappel) > 3. Re: Press Wash Use (Loren Maurina) > 4. RE: Danka clarification (Cora) > 5. Re: Laser Plates on Offset Press (Mark Stallings) > 6. RE: Laser Plates on Offset Press (Cora) > 7. Re: Press Wash Use (Dan Huntingford) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 09:29:40 -0500 > From: Robin Niewold > Subject: [PrintOwners] Laser Plates on Offset Press > To: printowners printowners , members Member > > Message-ID: <45BBF4A3-B7A4-4B47-8E5E-D36C8896733D@protypeonline.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > If you use a paper (offset printing) plate that is imaged by putting > it through a copier -- what are you using? > We are considering using this type of plate to print short run, black > or one color only envelopes on an ABDick Press. > We experimented with some of these plates about 12 years ago and > didn't have much luck but I'm sure many improvements have been made > since that time, so thought I would revisit the option. > ? > Robin > > Robin Niewold > robin@protypeonline.com > > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > > Wright Printing Company > 203 North Street > Normal, IL 61761 > 309.452.4409 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 07:49:56 -0700 > From: Scott Cappel > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <200806061450.m56EoRf5010132@i2bnetworks.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > Uh guys, one thing to remember here. Machines don't make clients > happy and satisfied....you do. > > Whether one machine "blows the doors off another" will not bring > clients running to you arms waving over there heads screaming > > SAVE ME!!! SAVE ME!!! from that other evil machine!!!! > > One thing some of us forget from time to is that the key to success > in this business is to be successful at providing solutions and > easing pain, no matter what machine is used to do this. > > I know we all know this, but heck its always worth remembering the > client usually doesn't care what machine you use, as long as they're > happy with the results. > > S. > > > At 06:45 AM 6/6/2008, you wrote: >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>........zzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZIIIIINNNNGGGGG!!!! >> >>Am I the only one who heard that??? WOW!!! >> >>Thom Gulyas >>ACE Printing & Mailing >>www.acepm.com >> >>PS... good luck to both of you!! :) :) :) >> >>On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Craig Dellinger >>wrote: >> >> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> > >> > Good luck and congrats Peter. Hopefully you have good service in your >> > area. >> > I wouldn't even consider a Canon color machine in my market. I have >> > enough >> > grief getting them to keep our B&W machines running. >> > I can't say I agree with a lot of your post either, but we're talking >> > about >> > totally different machines. The Canon C7000 isn't going to be able to >> > produce even remotely the volume of what the iGen can easily. It's only >> > about 60% as productive. I'd probably compare it closer to the >> KM6500. Maybe >> > in between the two? Canon's web site lists a recommended maximum >> > clicks on >> > the C7000 at 300,000 a month. Will that do it for you? If so, great. I >> > originally thought that would be a huge volume until we started running >> > the >> > iGen and saw what it could do. We're averaging over 450k a month and >> > that's >> > not pushing it - even on one shift. A lot of iGen's are running well >> > over a >> > million impressions a month. Again, we're talking VERY different >> > machines - >> > one is a production press - the other is classified as a >> mid-volume press. I >> > won't argue image quality with you. I've heard the Canon looks >> great. I just >> > haven't seen any Canon samples that knocked my socks off any more than >> > off >> > an iGen, or even a KM6500. Quality is very subjective - productivity >> > isn't. >> > Productivity is also relient on uptime. With the iGen, our operator can >> > fix >> > most of any issues that come up - that's what two weeks of service >> > training >> > will do for you. We rarely are waiting for a service tech from Xerox. >> > I'm >> > sure the quality of your service will be a big determining factor in >> > the >> > reliability/success of your machine. Please keep us posted on how >> it goes. I >> > just wouldn't start bragging until you actually run a job on it. ;-) >> > And as far as blowing the doors off the Indigo's and iGen's. Good luck >> > with that. I could give you a long list of reasons why that probably >> > won't >> > happen, but I sincerely wish you well. >> > >> > Craig Dellinger >> > President >> > New Haven Print & Copy >> > Fort Wayne, Indiana USA >> > >> > Peter Church wrote: >> > >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> >> They both compare poorly compared to the Canon C7000. >> >> >> >> The Igen is twice the cost and twice the cost per click >> >> The Indigo is twice the cost and twice the click charge >> >> My Canon C7000 arrives next week and I expect to blow the doors off my >> >> competition who have Indigo's and I-Gen's! I'm glad to see that Xerox >> >> hasn't >> >> figured out that it is all about the quality, with their new I-Gen 4 >> >> announcement. >> >> >> >> I will let you know how we make out. But, you should look closely at >> >> the >> >> Canon C7000 if you are considering an I-Gen or Indigo. >> >> >> >> >> >> Peter Church >> >> Keystone Press, LLC >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > PrintOwners Discussion List >> > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > >> > >> >> >>-- >>Thom Gulyas >>ACE Printing & Mailing >>Berlin, Maryland 21811 >>www.acepm.com >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >>__________ NOD32 3163 (20080606) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:52:35 -0400 > From: Loren Maurina > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Press Wash Use > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <55FA5CBA-8D06-475B-B17A-000820D724E9@inkonpaper.biz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > On Jun 6, 2008, at 10:29 AM, Scott Vicnaire wrote: > >> If you put the press wash in a metal container filled with >> styrofoam peanuts they will dissolve into a very sticky but highly >> flammable substance. Mix in a little sray powder to firm it up some >> and it makes good ammo for the slingshot. Just roll, light, and >> shoot. It would probably be best to avoid shooting it at vinyl >> siding, though, and don't forget to wrap the sling pouch with >> aluminum foil (voice of experience). > > I can't think of any thing that you could have been doing in the > normal course of business that would have lead to this discovery! > > > Loren Maurina > President > L & L Printing, Inc. > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren > > ph (586) 263-0060 > fx (586) 263-4895 > > Loren@InkOnPaper.biz > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:07:29 -0500 > From: "Cora" > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Danka clarification > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Message-ID: <00c601c8c7e7$09e42aa0$6401a8c0@coranew> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > That is what I was told after I told them my lawyer would contact them > > > Class Act Printing and Foil > 5801 W. Juno Street > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > (316) 522-0733 > cpurvine1@cox.net > Microsoft Service Provider > Member NAQP > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of frklins120@aol.com > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:58 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Danka clarification > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Dear Printowners, > > > First off, thank you for your responses to my Danka post 2 days ago. > > Curiously, I was contacted by my rep to clarify the Danka position on > > double clicks for 11 x 17. All NEW contracts will be double clicks. It > > apparently does not affect existing contracts. Is this the wave of the > future? > > > > I'm wondering how Danka knew about my post to the list. My rep told > > me someone in St. Louis brought it to the attention of Danka.?I at first? > thought Danka was on the list. That being said, I did not speak ill of > Danka and in fact have had a good 17-year relationship with them that > is about to end.? > > Heads up to you considering new maintenance agreements with Danka. > > Barb McPherson > Innsbruck Printing & Mailing > Buffalo, New York > 716-668-6107 > 716-668-6109 fax > www.innsbruckprinting.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3163 (20080606) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:14:16 -0400 > From: Mark Stallings > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Laser Plates on Offset Press > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <48495448.5050509@charter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hurst Smart Plate on HP 5100 copier > Hurst staff can help you set up the driver - it does take special > settings. > > > > Robin Niewold wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> If you use a paper (offset printing) plate that is imaged by putting >> it through a copier -- what are you using? >> We are considering using this type of plate to print short run, black >> or one color only envelopes on an ABDick Press. >> We experimented with some of these plates about 12 years ago and >> didn't have much luck but I'm sure many improvements have been made >> since that time, so thought I would revisit the option. >> ? >> Robin >> >> Robin Niewold >> robin@protypeonline.com >> >> Pro-Type Printing, Inc. >> 130 N. Market Street >> Paxton, IL 60957 >> 217.379.4715 >> >> Wright Printing Company >> 203 North Street >> Normal, IL 61761 >> 309.452.4409 >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > -- > Mark Stallings > Stallings Printing > 1709 Walt Arney Road > Lenoir, NC 28645 > 828-758-1126 > stalprint@charter.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:33:01 -0500 > From: "Cora" > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Laser Plates on Offset Press > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Message-ID: <00d001c8c7ea$9ad45320$6401a8c0@coranew> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Robin, I have an HP5000 LaserJet that we were using to make plates for our > AB Dick, but I am not using it since I sold my press. I could let go > pretty > cheaply if you are interested. > > > Class Act Printing and Foil > 5801 W. Juno Street > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > (316) 522-0733 > cpurvine1@cox.net > Microsoft Service Provider > Member NAQP > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Stallings > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:14 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Laser Plates on Offset Press > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hurst Smart Plate on HP 5100 copier > Hurst staff can help you set up the driver - it does take special > settings. > > > > Robin Niewold wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> If you use a paper (offset printing) plate that is imaged by putting >> it through a copier -- what are you using? >> We are considering using this type of plate to print short run, black >> or one color only envelopes on an ABDick Press. >> We experimented with some of these plates about 12 years ago and >> didn't have much luck but I'm sure many improvements have been made >> since that time, so thought I would revisit the option. >> ? >> Robin >> >> Robin Niewold >> robin@protypeonline.com >> >> Pro-Type Printing, Inc. >> 130 N. Market Street >> Paxton, IL 60957 >> 217.379.4715 >> >> Wright Printing Company >> 203 North Street >> Normal, IL 61761 >> 309.452.4409 >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > -- > Mark Stallings > Stallings Printing > 1709 Walt Arney Road > Lenoir, NC 28645 > 828-758-1126 > stalprint@charter.net > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3164 (20080606) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:31:09 -0700 > From: "Dan Huntingford" > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Press Wash Use > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Message-ID: <0c3b01c8c7ea$58683c40$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > >> If you put the press wash in a metal container filled with styrofoam >> peanuts >> they will dissolve into a very sticky but highly flammable substance. Mix >> in a little sray powder to firm it up some and it makes good ammo for the >> slingshot. Just roll, light, and shoot. It would probably be best to >> avoid >> shooting it at vinyl siding, though, and don't forget to wrap the sling >> pouch with aluminum foil (voice of experience). > ====================== > > Now that's good information. If my old college fraternity hadn't lost > their > charter, I'd forward it on to my young brothers. We used to think water > balloon launchers and rocks in snow balls were good clean fun. But fire > pellets, that'd be great. Die Pi Kaps. Burn in hell ATO. > Oh yeah, good clean fun. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > End of PrintOwners Digest, Vol 34, Issue 23 > ******************************************* > From swiftyprinting at mac.com Fri Jun 6 13:12:55 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Fri Jun 6 13:13:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Zero Ink Paper (slightly Off) Message-ID: This brought some memories: Polaroid intros PoGo inkless portable photo printer .Polaroid recently announced it will launch its PoGo portable photo printer later on this summer. First seen at CES 2008, the printer, whose name is short for Polaroid-on-the-go according to Polaroid, achieves its compact 4.7- by 2.8- by 0.9-inch size by not requiring any ink cartridges. Instead, it uses Zero Ink technology and ZINK Photo Paper as its medium Anyone remember the color copy machines way way back (before digital) that tried this technology? Boy does this bring back memories. if memory serves me right, NCR was the first one who tried this technology before selling it off. You would load the paper into the copy machine, it would then burst the capsules (through heat) much like pressure on ncr paper to create the image in full color. Amazing technology at the time, but the paper was real expensive. The copy machine was real cheap. It sounds like they have perfected the technology a little better. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From John at mpcny.com Fri Jun 6 13:27:44 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Fri Jun 6 13:28:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Drupa - why you should pay attention. Message-ID: <002601c8c7fa$a1e46370$e5ad2a50$@com> Inkjet's tomorrow, Toner's today is what I am getting. The cost of inkjet is going to be 1/2 of toner per page when production machines are out in 2-3 years. Now by production I mean units in the $1,000,000+ range. We are 5-7 years before it hits our floors. The units they showed are in $2.5- 5 million range. Ink falls short on 2 fronts, lack of paper that is close in cost and little to no duplex or coated sheet high speed units. Not one MFG had a duplicator size press at the show. Closest thing is the Presstek DI. The sales of 2 color presses is dead and no further time or money is being put in to developing anything. All rips and workflows have announced they will be PDF engine based or compatible. Make sure if you're buying you get this. Not much new in CTP imaging it is a mature market. JDF is here but not world changing, as all the players refuse to play together. Lots of web to print but all the new stuff is months away and very costly $50,000 and up. You need hold off and to never buy the weeks/month before Drupa as the prices drop and the boxes change. It is a basic fact of our industry. Big is still selling and getting faster in both speed and change over. The show had few Americans, lots of eastern euro, Asian and sheiks according to Frank Romano. Concept units were tandems that print on both sides and not have to duplex nice but down the road. So not a lot earth moving today for small shops but all of it will filter down in 5-7 years. My picks are from X the new igen4 and the new 700 will have the largest impact on our market. The new Ricoh 90 cpm color box maybe a winner if the company can get the service end right. They want in the print for market big time but so far in my view have not understood the service needs or that 11x17 is one click. So for the next 5 years expect toner to get faster better and less costly, inkjet to appear and challenge toner but not be big factor in our market for 5-7 more years. Presses will still run and make money, few will buy anything less than a 4 color new and the days of duplicator are fast ending. The Oracle of Oswego has spoken. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Fri Jun 6 13:30:27 2008 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Fri Jun 6 13:30:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Zero Ink Paper (slightly Off) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm pretty sure that was the Colorocs unit. We looked at it way back when (88 or 90?), and ran away pretty fast. I think they sold a fair amout of units though for 2 years or so. Paper was like $.50 or so. Machine was always pretty cheap, but before the end, the machine was free. That's when thermal units from Sharp were out too. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying Anyone remember the color copy machines way way back (before digital) that tried this technology? Boy does this bring back memories. if memory serves me right, NCR was the first one who tried this technology before selling it off. You would load the paper into the copy machine, it would then burst the capsules (through heat) much like pressure on ncr paper to create the image in full color. Amazing technology at the time, but the paper was real expensive. The copy machine was real cheap. It sounds like they have perfected the technology a little better. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1486 - Release Date: 6/5/2008 6:29 PM From Minmandon at aol.com Fri Jun 6 13:41:17 2008 From: Minmandon at aol.com (Minmandon@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 6 13:41:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Laser Plates on Offset Press Message-ID: Robin, We have been using the Kimosetter plate maker for the past two years. We have not had one problem in that time. I remember paying $2800. I understand that there is a new model that goes for $4000. The plates including the ribbons for the Kimo are costing a little less than $2 each. We use them on the AB Dick 9870 & 9850. My franchise is pushing these machines. So, there are several of these here in South Florida. Everybody loves their Kimo. I tried the Hurst plates. We were printing them through our HP 5000. Even after we had the rollers set perfectly we had trouble with toner "picking" off of the plate during the run. Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield 954 421-9904 **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) From swiftyprinting at mac.com Fri Jun 6 13:45:10 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Fri Jun 6 13:48:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Zero Ink Paper (slightly Off) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jun 6, 2008, at 1:30 PM, Bernard Bahn wrote: > I'm pretty sure that was the Colorocs unit. We looked at it way back > when We had both we had the Savin/Colorocs liquid toner machine (a free machine and 65? per click to use). All photographic, non digital, adjusted color using subtractive color theory. Then we tried the "capsulated paper" machine for a little while. Just don't leave the paper in hot area. Soon after the Canon 100 Laser Color Copier came out, then the 200/250 and soon after the 500 and Canon had the world of color in their hand. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 13:59:01 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri Jun 6 13:59:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Drupa - why you should pay attention. In-Reply-To: <002601c8c7fa$a1e46370$e5ad2a50$@com> References: <002601c8c7fa$a1e46370$e5ad2a50$@com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0806061059xcfd1af9pe96137496980c49e@mail.gmail.com> Excellent as usual, John. Thank you. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 1:27 PM, John Henry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Inkjet's tomorrow, Toner's today is what I am getting. The cost of inkjet > is > going to be 1/2 of toner per page when production machines are out in 2-3 > years. Now by production I mean units in the $1,000,000+ range. We are 5-7 > years before it hits our floors. The units they showed are in $2.5- 5 > million range. > > Ink falls short on 2 fronts, lack of paper that is close in cost and little > to no duplex or coated sheet high speed units. > > Not one MFG had a duplicator size press at the show. Closest thing is the > Presstek DI. The sales of 2 color presses is dead and no further time or > money is being put in to developing anything. > > All rips and workflows have announced they will be PDF engine based or > compatible. Make sure if you're buying you get this. > > Not much new in CTP imaging it is a mature market. > > JDF is here but not world changing, as all the players refuse to play > together. > > Lots of web to print but all the new stuff is months away and very costly > $50,000 and up. > > You need hold off and to never buy the weeks/month before Drupa as the > prices drop and the boxes change. It is a basic fact of our industry. > > > Big is still selling and getting faster in both speed and change over. > > The show had few Americans, lots of eastern euro, Asian and sheiks > according > to Frank Romano. > > Concept units were tandems that print on both sides and not have to duplex > nice but down the road. > > So not a lot earth moving today for small shops but all of it will filter > down in 5-7 years. > > My picks are from X the new igen4 and the new 700 will have the largest > impact on our market. The new Ricoh 90 cpm color box maybe a winner if the > company can get the service end right. They want in the print for market > big > time but so far in my view have not understood the service needs or that > 11x17 is one click. > > So for the next 5 years expect toner to get faster better and less costly, > inkjet to appear and challenge toner but not be big factor in our market > for > 5-7 more years. > > Presses will still run and make money, few will buy anything less than a 4 > color new and the days of duplicator are fast ending. > > > The Oracle of Oswego has spoken. > > > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > 125-129 East First Street > Oswego, New York 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 Fax > www.mpcny.com > John@mpcny.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From slb at inkspot.net Fri Jun 6 15:45:13 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Jun 6 15:45:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Press Wash Use In-Reply-To: <0c3b01c8c7ea$58683c40$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <20080606134610.1B534F7244A@rb.enter.net>, <0c3b01c8c7ea$58683c40$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <48495B89.23517.6B15C27D@slb.inkspot.net> As I recall, you can make your own napalm by stirring naptha crystals (mothballs) into gasoline. Not my idea of a wholesome activity, but, then again, I wasn't the kid fulminating mercury in his parents' basement in high school, either. Steve > > > > If you put the press wash in a metal container filled with styrofoam > > peanuts > > they will dissolve into a very sticky but highly flammable substance. Mix > > in a little sray powder to firm it up some and it makes good ammo for the > > slingshot. Just roll, light, and shoot. It would probably be best to avoid > > shooting it at vinyl siding, though, and don't forget to wrap the sling > > pouch with aluminum foil (voice of experience). > ====================== > > Now that's good information. If my old college fraternity hadn't lost their > charter, I'd forward it on to my young brothers. We used to think water > balloon launchers and rocks in snow balls were good clean fun. But fire > pellets, that'd be great. Die Pi Kaps. Burn in hell ATO. > Oh yeah, good clean fun. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3164 (20080606) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From clc at crownmax.com Fri Jun 6 16:03:06 2008 From: clc at crownmax.com (Charlie Counts) Date: Fri Jun 6 16:01:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Drupa - why you should pay attention. In-Reply-To: <002601c8c7fa$a1e46370$e5ad2a50$@com> References: <002601c8c7fa$a1e46370$e5ad2a50$@com> Message-ID: <001501c8c810$56186390$7201a8c0@Crown.local> Super Report ... O Great Oracle! Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road P. O. Box 234 Dunbar, WV 25064 1-800-252-4011 Fax 304-744-8652 www.crownmax.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:28 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Drupa - why you should pay attention. Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Inkjet's tomorrow, Toner's today is what I am getting. The cost of inkjet is going to be 1/2 of toner per page when production machines are out in 2-3 years. Now by production I mean units in the $1,000,000+ range. We are 5-7 years before it hits our floors. The units they showed are in $2.5- 5 million range. Ink falls short on 2 fronts, lack of paper that is close in cost and little to no duplex or coated sheet high speed units. Not one MFG had a duplicator size press at the show. Closest thing is the Presstek DI. The sales of 2 color presses is dead and no further time or money is being put in to developing anything. All rips and workflows have announced they will be PDF engine based or compatible. Make sure if you're buying you get this. Not much new in CTP imaging it is a mature market. JDF is here but not world changing, as all the players refuse to play together. Lots of web to print but all the new stuff is months away and very costly $50,000 and up. You need hold off and to never buy the weeks/month before Drupa as the prices drop and the boxes change. It is a basic fact of our industry. Big is still selling and getting faster in both speed and change over. The show had few Americans, lots of eastern euro, Asian and sheiks according to Frank Romano. Concept units were tandems that print on both sides and not have to duplex nice but down the road. So not a lot earth moving today for small shops but all of it will filter down in 5-7 years. My picks are from X the new igen4 and the new 700 will have the largest impact on our market. The new Ricoh 90 cpm color box maybe a winner if the company can get the service end right. They want in the print for market big time but so far in my view have not understood the service needs or that 11x17 is one click. So for the next 5 years expect toner to get faster better and less costly, inkjet to appear and challenge toner but not be big factor in our market for 5-7 more years. Presses will still run and make money, few will buy anything less than a 4 color new and the days of duplicator are fast ending. The Oracle of Oswego has spoken. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bherion at bucksdigital.com Fri Jun 6 16:31:15 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Fri Jun 6 16:32:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] inkjet addressing question Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080606162021.03367158@bucksdigital.com> We do some mailing here, simply because we can address on the printers as variable. When we have a large job going offset, I have the mail house handle the addressing. Here is my question: A new mailer has run into trouble addressing with our files (tab delimited). Yes, they were customer supplied. The problem is that more often than not, his Pitney Bowes machine is placing characters in place of a space - even in the endorsement line. For instance, an address may look like this BobZHerion 90ZWalkerZlane NewtownZPAZ18940 See the "z" in place of the space? Well, that same record, printed by itself might print correctly. Pitney Bowes is telling the mailer it is because the customer has used ", @. &, type symbols in some addressing fields (Joseph "Joe" for instance) and when one of those characters are hit, then the system will do as it is doing. I've never heard of this, but I won't say its not so. Looking for the answer as to how high this is on the bullshit meter. Thanks in advance. Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From si at ria.net Fri Jun 6 16:47:03 2008 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Fri Jun 6 16:47:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Press Wash Use In-Reply-To: <48495B89.23517.6B15C27D@slb.inkspot.net> References: <20080606134610.1B534F7244A@rb.enter.net> <0c3b01c8c7ea$58683c40$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <48495B89.23517.6B15C27D@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <20080606134725.547C6908@sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net> At 03:45 PM 6/6/2008, Steve Blatman wrote: >As I recall, you can make your own napalm by stirring naptha crystals >(mothballs) into gasoline. Brings back memories of fougasse, a field expedient we used for perimeter defense back in the 'Nam. Mix a drum of JP-4 with a few boxes of Fels Naptha to gel it up and you've brewed up a robust keep 'em away device. Doug Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From jacemeister at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 16:53:43 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Fri Jun 6 16:53:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] inkjet addressing question In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080606162021.03367158@bucksdigital.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080606162021.03367158@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: This may be too simple, but can you open the file in MS Word and replace the character with a space? Another solution is to find a vendor who doesn't use Pitney Bowes equipment. Use a vendor who will bring you solutions instead of problems. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Bob Herion wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We do some mailing here, simply because we can address on the printers as > variable. > When we have a large job going offset, I have the mail house handle the > addressing. > Here is my question: > A new mailer has run into trouble addressing with our files (tab > delimited). > Yes, they were customer supplied. > The problem is that more often than not, his Pitney Bowes machine is > placing characters in place of a space - even in the endorsement line. > For instance, an address may look like this > BobZHerion > 90ZWalkerZlane > NewtownZPAZ18940 > > See the "z" in place of the space? Well, that same record, printed by > itself might print correctly. > Pitney Bowes is telling the mailer it is because the customer has used ", > @. &, type symbols in some addressing fields (Joseph "Joe" for instance) and > when one of those characters are hit, then the system will do as it is > doing. > > I've never heard of this, but I won't say its not so. > Looking for the answer as to how high this is on the bullshit meter. > Thanks in advance. > > > > Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! > We use Recycled and Certified Papers > Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 > 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 > www.bucksdigital.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From slb at inkspot.net Fri Jun 6 16:55:12 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Jun 6 16:55:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] inkjet addressing question In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080606162021.03367158@bucksdigital.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080606162021.03367158@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <48496BF0.21106.6B55D39C@slb.inkspot.net> Bob, If you know in advance that this will be a problem, you can often clean up the csv file with a simple macro or two in Word or Wordperfect. HTH, Steve > > We do some mailing here, simply because we can address on the > printers as variable. > When we have a large job going offset, I have the mail house handle > the addressing. > Here is my question: > A new mailer has run into trouble addressing with our files (tab delimited). > Yes, they were customer supplied. > The problem is that more often than not, his Pitney Bowes machine is > placing characters in place of a space - even in the endorsement line. > For instance, an address may look like this > BobZHerion > 90ZWalkerZlane > NewtownZPAZ18940 > > See the "z" in place of the space? Well, that same record, printed by > itself might print correctly. > Pitney Bowes is telling the mailer it is because the customer has > used ", @. &, type symbols in some addressing fields (Joseph "Joe" > for instance) and when one of those characters are hit, then the > system will do as it is doing. > > I've never heard of this, but I won't say its not so. > Looking for the answer as to how high this is on the bullshit meter. > Thanks in advance. > > > > Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! > We use Recycled and Certified Papers > Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 > 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 > www.bucksdigital.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3164 (20080606) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From dcarlile at printfresno.com Fri Jun 6 17:07:40 2008 From: dcarlile at printfresno.com (Doug Carlile) Date: Fri Jun 6 17:07:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] inkjet addressing question In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080606162021.03367158@bucksdigital.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080606162021.03367158@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <20080606210746.76282F736F0@rb.enter.net> This can occur depending on the software being used. As a mailhouse, we check and 'fix' all file problems before they go to the mailroom. Suggest you find a mailhouse that knows what they are doing... Doug Carlile Professional Print & Mail, Inc. 2818 E. Hamilton Ave. Fresno, CA 93721 800/654-7468 559/237-7468 fax: 559/237-4929 email: dcarlile@printfresno.com From gamble at choiceonemail.com Fri Jun 6 17:23:24 2008 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Fri Jun 6 17:23:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] inkjet addressing question In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080606162021.03367158@bucksdigital.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080606162021.03367158@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <03de01c8c81b$8e45cb30$0201a8c0@RICK> Bob, The fix is pretty low on the BS meter, The fact that your mailer is tossing it back in your lap is pretty high on the BS meter. I as well as Doug fix these prior to going to my mailroom, I like to call it data integrity, and if formatted right it will go though the addressing process easily. In the situation you mentioned I'd fix and drop you an email to make your customer aware that certain characters cause trouble in the conversion as well as addressing operations and the list of characters that are affected in the list, just as a friendly reminder to please avoid these in the future. Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Herion Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 4:31 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] inkjet addressing question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We do some mailing here, simply because we can address on the printers as variable. When we have a large job going offset, I have the mail house handle the addressing. Here is my question: A new mailer has run into trouble addressing with our files (tab delimited). Yes, they were customer supplied. The problem is that more often than not, his Pitney Bowes machine is placing characters in place of a space - even in the endorsement line. For instance, an address may look like this BobZHerion 90ZWalkerZlane NewtownZPAZ18940 See the "z" in place of the space? Well, that same record, printed by itself might print correctly. Pitney Bowes is telling the mailer it is because the customer has used ", @. &, type symbols in some addressing fields (Joseph "Joe" for instance) and when one of those characters are hit, then the system will do as it is doing. I've never heard of this, but I won't say its not so. Looking for the answer as to how high this is on the bullshit meter. Thanks in advance. Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From scottv at regalpress.net Fri Jun 6 17:37:47 2008 From: scottv at regalpress.net (Scott Vicnaire) Date: Fri Jun 6 17:38:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Press Wash Use References: <20080606205353.CD55AF73669@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <009801c8c81d$91473970$0310a8c0@Ellsworth> Idle hands+fertile minds+testosterone+flammable substances. What could possibly go wrong?? Scott Vicnaire President Regal Printing & Graphics 140 South Main Street Brewer, ME 04412 989-4100 265 Water Street Ellsworth, ME 04605 667-5227 www.regalpress.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 4:53 PM Subject: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 34, Issue 25 > Send PrintOwners mailing list submissions to > printowners@printweb.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > printowners-request@printweb.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > printowners-owner@printweb.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of PrintOwners digest..." > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Digest ***** > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Laser Plates on Offset Press (Minmandon@aol.com) > 2. Re: Zero Ink Paper (slightly Off) (Chuck) > 3. Re: Drupa - why you should pay attention. (Michael Vogel) > 4. Re: Press Wash Use (Steve Blatman) > 5. RE: Drupa - why you should pay attention. (Charlie Counts) > 6. inkjet addressing question (Bob Herion) > 7. Re: Press Wash Use (Doug Shelton) > 8. Re: inkjet addressing question (Jace Prejean) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 13:41:17 EDT > From: Minmandon@aol.com > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Laser Plates on Offset Press > To: printowners@printweb.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Robin, > We have been using the Kimosetter plate maker for the past two years. > We > have not had one problem in that time. I remember paying $2800. I > understand > that there is a new model that goes for $4000. The plates including the > ribbons for the Kimo are costing a little less than $2 each. We use them > on the AB > Dick 9870 & 9850. My franchise is pushing these machines. So, there are > several of these here in South Florida. Everybody loves their Kimo. > I tried the Hurst plates. We were printing them through our HP 5000. > Even > after we had the rollers set perfectly we had trouble with toner > "picking" > off of the plate during the run. > > Don Carney > Minuteman Press Deerfield > 954 421-9904 > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 13:45:10 -0400 > From: Chuck > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Zero Ink Paper (slightly Off) > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > > On Jun 6, 2008, at 1:30 PM, Bernard Bahn wrote: > >> I'm pretty sure that was the Colorocs unit. We looked at it way back >> when > > We had both we had the Savin/Colorocs liquid toner machine (a free > machine and 65? per click to use). All photographic, non digital, > adjusted color using subtractive color theory. Then we tried the > "capsulated paper" machine for a little while. Just don't leave the > paper in hot area. > > Soon after the Canon 100 Laser Color Copier came out, then the 200/250 > and soon after the 500 and Canon had the world of color in their hand. > > > Chuck Pappas > Arlington Swifty Printing > 1386 Massachusetts Avenue > Arlington, MA 02476 > 781-646-8700 > www.arlingtonswifty.com > Member: National Association of Quick Printers > Print Industry of New England > GATF > Adobe Service Network > Quark Alliance > Microsoft Publisher Provider > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 13:59:01 -0400 > From: "Michael Vogel" > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Drupa - why you should pay attention. > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Message-ID: > <98f5b19a0806061059xcfd1af9pe96137496980c49e@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Excellent as usual, John. > Thank you. > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon > > On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 1:27 PM, John Henry wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Inkjet's tomorrow, Toner's today is what I am getting. The cost of inkjet >> is >> going to be 1/2 of toner per page when production machines are out in 2-3 >> years. Now by production I mean units in the $1,000,000+ range. We are >> 5-7 >> years before it hits our floors. The units they showed are in $2.5- 5 >> million range. >> >> Ink falls short on 2 fronts, lack of paper that is close in cost and >> little >> to no duplex or coated sheet high speed units. >> >> Not one MFG had a duplicator size press at the show. Closest thing is the >> Presstek DI. The sales of 2 color presses is dead and no further time or >> money is being put in to developing anything. >> >> All rips and workflows have announced they will be PDF engine based or >> compatible. Make sure if you're buying you get this. >> >> Not much new in CTP imaging it is a mature market. >> >> JDF is here but not world changing, as all the players refuse to play >> together. >> >> Lots of web to print but all the new stuff is months away and very costly >> $50,000 and up. >> >> You need hold off and to never buy the weeks/month before Drupa as the >> prices drop and the boxes change. It is a basic fact of our industry. >> >> >> Big is still selling and getting faster in both speed and change over. >> >> The show had few Americans, lots of eastern euro, Asian and sheiks >> according >> to Frank Romano. >> >> Concept units were tandems that print on both sides and not have to >> duplex >> nice but down the road. >> >> So not a lot earth moving today for small shops but all of it will filter >> down in 5-7 years. >> >> My picks are from X the new igen4 and the new 700 will have the largest >> impact on our market. The new Ricoh 90 cpm color box maybe a winner if >> the >> company can get the service end right. They want in the print for market >> big >> time but so far in my view have not understood the service needs or that >> 11x17 is one click. >> >> So for the next 5 years expect toner to get faster better and less >> costly, >> inkjet to appear and challenge toner but not be big factor in our market >> for >> 5-7 more years. >> >> Presses will still run and make money, few will buy anything less than a >> 4 >> color new and the days of duplicator are fast ending. >> >> >> The Oracle of Oswego has spoken. >> >> >> John M. Henry >> Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company >> 125-129 East First Street >> Oswego, New York 13126 >> (315) 343-3531 >> (315) 343-3577 Fax >> www.mpcny.com >> John@mpcny.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:45:13 -0400 > From: "Steve Blatman" > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Press Wash Use > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <48495B89.23517.6B15C27D@slb.inkspot.net> > > As I recall, you can make your own napalm by stirring naptha crystals > (mothballs) into gasoline. Not my idea of a wholesome activity, but, > then again, I wasn't the kid fulminating mercury in his parents' > basement in high school, either. > > Steve > > >> >> >> > If you put the press wash in a metal container filled with styrofoam >> > peanuts >> > they will dissolve into a very sticky but highly flammable substance. >> > Mix >> > in a little sray powder to firm it up some and it makes good ammo for >> > the >> > slingshot. Just roll, light, and shoot. It would probably be best to >> > avoid >> > shooting it at vinyl siding, though, and don't forget to wrap the sling >> > pouch with aluminum foil (voice of experience). >> ====================== >> >> Now that's good information. If my old college fraternity hadn't lost >> their >> charter, I'd forward it on to my young brothers. We used to think water >> balloon launchers and rocks in snow balls were good clean fun. But fire >> pellets, that'd be great. Die Pi Kaps. Burn in hell ATO. >> Oh yeah, good clean fun. >> >> Dan Huntingford >> SOS Printing >> 2319 Washington Street >> Port Townsend, WA 98368 >> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >> sos@olympus.net >> (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3164 (20080606) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:03:06 -0400 > From: "Charlie Counts" > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Drupa - why you should pay attention. > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Message-ID: <001501c8c810$56186390$7201a8c0@Crown.local> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Super Report ... O Great Oracle! > > Charlie Counts > CROWNMAX, Inc. > 2301 Roxalana Road > P. O. Box 234 > Dunbar, WV 25064 > 1-800-252-4011 > Fax 304-744-8652 > www.crownmax.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:28 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Drupa - why you should pay attention. > Importance: High > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Inkjet's tomorrow, Toner's today is what I am getting. The cost of inkjet > is > going to be 1/2 of toner per page when production machines are out in 2-3 > years. Now by production I mean units in the $1,000,000+ range. We are 5-7 > years before it hits our floors. The units they showed are in $2.5- 5 > million range. > > Ink falls short on 2 fronts, lack of paper that is close in cost and > little > to no duplex or coated sheet high speed units. > > Not one MFG had a duplicator size press at the show. Closest thing is the > Presstek DI. The sales of 2 color presses is dead and no further time or > money is being put in to developing anything. > > All rips and workflows have announced they will be PDF engine based or > compatible. Make sure if you're buying you get this. > > Not much new in CTP imaging it is a mature market. > > JDF is here but not world changing, as all the players refuse to play > together. > > Lots of web to print but all the new stuff is months away and very costly > $50,000 and up. > > You need hold off and to never buy the weeks/month before Drupa as the > prices drop and the boxes change. It is a basic fact of our industry. > > > Big is still selling and getting faster in both speed and change over. > > The show had few Americans, lots of eastern euro, Asian and sheiks > according > to Frank Romano. > > Concept units were tandems that print on both sides and not have to duplex > nice but down the road. > > So not a lot earth moving today for small shops but all of it will filter > down in 5-7 years. > > My picks are from X the new igen4 and the new 700 will have the largest > impact on our market. The new Ricoh 90 cpm color box maybe a winner if the > company can get the service end right. They want in the print for market > big > time but so far in my view have not understood the service needs or that > 11x17 is one click. > > So for the next 5 years expect toner to get faster better and less costly, > inkjet to appear and challenge toner but not be big factor in our market > for > 5-7 more years. > > Presses will still run and make money, few will buy anything less than a 4 > color new and the days of duplicator are fast ending. > > > The Oracle of Oswego has spoken. > > > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > 125-129 East First Street > Oswego, New York 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 Fax > www.mpcny.com > John@mpcny.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:31:15 -0400 > From: Bob Herion > Subject: [PrintOwners] inkjet addressing question > To: printowners@printweb.org > Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080606162021.03367158@bucksdigital.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > We do some mailing here, simply because we can address on the > printers as variable. > When we have a large job going offset, I have the mail house handle > the addressing. > Here is my question: > A new mailer has run into trouble addressing with our files (tab > delimited). > Yes, they were customer supplied. > The problem is that more often than not, his Pitney Bowes machine is > placing characters in place of a space - even in the endorsement line. > For instance, an address may look like this > BobZHerion > 90ZWalkerZlane > NewtownZPAZ18940 > > See the "z" in place of the space? Well, that same record, printed by > itself might print correctly. > Pitney Bowes is telling the mailer it is because the customer has > used ", @. &, type symbols in some addressing fields (Joseph "Joe" > for instance) and when one of those characters are hit, then the > system will do as it is doing. > > I've never heard of this, but I won't say its not so. > Looking for the answer as to how high this is on the bullshit meter. > Thanks in advance. > > > > Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! > We use Recycled and Certified Papers > Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 > 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 > www.bucksdigital.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:47:03 -0400 > From: Doug Shelton > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Press Wash Use > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <20080606134725.547C6908@sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 03:45 PM 6/6/2008, Steve Blatman wrote: > >>As I recall, you can make your own napalm by stirring naptha crystals >>(mothballs) into gasoline. > > Brings back memories of fougasse, a field expedient we used for > perimeter defense back in the 'Nam. Mix a drum of JP-4 with a few > boxes of Fels Naptha to gel it up and you've brewed up a robust > keep 'em away device. > > Doug > > Doug Shelton > Superior Impressions, Inc. > Toledo, Ohio > mailto:si@ria.net > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:53:43 -0500 > From: "Jace Prejean" > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] inkjet addressing question > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > This may be too simple, but can you open the file in MS Word and replace > the > character with a space? Another solution is to find a vendor who doesn't > use Pitney Bowes equipment. Use a vendor who will bring you solutions > instead of problems. > -- > Jace Prejean > Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc > 922 Sunset Ave > Houma, LA 70360 > Phone 985-868-8273 > > www.BayouPrinting.com > > > > On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Bob Herion > wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> We do some mailing here, simply because we can address on the printers as >> variable. >> When we have a large job going offset, I have the mail house handle the >> addressing. >> Here is my question: >> A new mailer has run into trouble addressing with our files (tab >> delimited). >> Yes, they were customer supplied. >> The problem is that more often than not, his Pitney Bowes machine is >> placing characters in place of a space - even in the endorsement line. >> For instance, an address may look like this >> BobZHerion >> 90ZWalkerZlane >> NewtownZPAZ18940 >> >> See the "z" in place of the space? Well, that same record, printed by >> itself might print correctly. >> Pitney Bowes is telling the mailer it is because the customer has used ", >> @. &, type symbols in some addressing fields (Joseph "Joe" for instance) >> and >> when one of those characters are hit, then the system will do as it is >> doing. >> >> I've never heard of this, but I won't say its not so. >> Looking for the answer as to how high this is on the bullshit meter. >> Thanks in advance. >> >> >> >> Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! >> We use Recycled and Certified Papers >> Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 >> 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 >> www.bucksdigital.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > End of PrintOwners Digest, Vol 34, Issue 25 > ******************************************* > From dennis.trump at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 21:17:49 2008 From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump) Date: Fri Jun 6 21:17:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 2008-2009 Operating Ratio Study Message-ID: <41aa6a080806061817x786028e0hb8c6c3937603c978@mail.gmail.com> I just got my copy of the NAQP 2008-2009 Operating Ratio Study today and all I can say is WOW! What an awesome tool. Not only does it give you a cross section of our industry but my numbers are right beside the industry numbers. I've got a lot of studying to do. I know we all are probably all members of NAQP on this list but if your not and this doesn't give you a reason to join nothing will. Kudos to NAQP and John Stewart for putting this together. Very impressive indeed! -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 From printer at ptialaska.net Fri Jun 6 23:58:37 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Fri Jun 6 23:58:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Indigo Users Message-ID: <5A600E94-F017-4383-9BE4-A5E02E7189FD@ptialaska.net> Could someone with an indigo that prints poly please contact me. I need a price. Thanks, _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From jdaghir at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 00:10:16 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Sat Jun 7 00:10:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo In-Reply-To: <200806061450.m56EoRf5010132@i2bnetworks.com> References: <353291C9D8AE44C78CE39BEC577C8D06@key.local> <48486BBB.8000809@newhavenprint.com> <200806061450.m56EoRf5010132@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620806062110y6c1004c4v152c33fd63389abf@mail.gmail.com> I'm with Scott on this one - the vast majority of my customers couldn't care less if their jobs are produced on a HeidelroX ImageGen PhotonMaster 10,000XXL or by a room full of monkeys with crayons. Granted the image quality of the new Canon is fantastic. But for the most part with my customers once the quality gets to the point of "acceptable" there is no additional perceived value in anything better than that. Essentially all of my customers were/are perfectly satisfied by the image quality of my 6 year old Doc 12. There probably are markets and customers that demand more than that but I don't sell to them. So while I am personally very interested in the Canons from a business standpoint the only pertinent questions are what do they cost and how productive are they? Sellable image quality from the current generation of production boxes from Konica-Minolta, Xerox, Canon or HP is a given in my mind. As always your mileage may vary. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Scott said: > Uh guys, one thing to remember here. Machines don't make clients happy and > satisfied....you do. From smc at sorrentomesa.com Sat Jun 7 01:41:46 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Sat Jun 7 01:42:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 2008-2009 Operating Ratio Study In-Reply-To: <41aa6a080806061817x786028e0hb8c6c3937603c978@mail.gmail.co m> References: <41aa6a080806061817x786028e0hb8c6c3937603c978@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806070542.m575gH0o068811@i2bnetworks.com> Dittto. Nicely done John. S. At 06:17 PM 6/6/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I just got my copy of the NAQP 2008-2009 Operating Ratio Study today and all >I can say is WOW! What an awesome tool. Not only does it give you a cross >section of our industry but my numbers are right beside the industry >numbers. I've got a lot of studying to do. I know we all are probably all >members of NAQP on this list but if your not and this doesn't give you a >reason to join nothing will. Kudos to NAQP and John Stewart for putting this >together. Very impressive indeed! > >-- >Dennis Trump >Trump Direct >a print and direct mail communications company >Decatur IL >www.trumpdirect.com >trump@trumpdirect.com >217.429.9001 >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3165 (20080606) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From acepm2 at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 06:54:26 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Sat Jun 7 06:54:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] inkjet addressing question In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080606162021.03367158@bucksdigital.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080606162021.03367158@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: HHHHHhhhhmmmmmm..... I smell BS! I also smell a "mailer" who does not have a freaking clue as to what he/she is doing! Sorry to be so blunt, but as others have said, that's just a bunch of crap!! I hate PB!!! Did I say that before on this list??? I hate them!!! I actually took about $70K of their CRAP equipment and put it all outside under the direction of a judge many years ago. It just flat out would not run. But hey, if your mailer is happy with PB... you have got to either find yourself a new mailer or buy a KR and do it yourself. You're a smart guy Bob. You have an equipment list that some on this listserve drool over. So get into this yourself or find yourself another mailer. Heck, I use to live not from your shop. I'm not far away now if you want my services. Either way, send me a copy of the list and I'll look at it for you and tell you whats going on. o.k.? Good luck my friend... Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Bob Herion wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We do some mailing here, simply because we can address on the printers as > variable. > When we have a large job going offset, I have the mail house handle the > addressing. > Here is my question: > A new mailer has run into trouble addressing with our files (tab > delimited). > Yes, they were customer supplied. > The problem is that more often than not, his Pitney Bowes machine is > placing characters in place of a space - even in the endorsement line. > For instance, an address may look like this > BobZHerion > 90ZWalkerZlane > NewtownZPAZ18940 > > See the "z" in place of the space? Well, that same record, printed by > itself might print correctly. > Pitney Bowes is telling the mailer it is because the customer has used ", > @. &, type symbols in some addressing fields (Joseph "Joe" for instance) and > when one of those characters are hit, then the system will do as it is > doing. > > I've never heard of this, but I won't say its not so. > Looking for the answer as to how high this is on the bullshit meter. > Thanks in advance. > > > > Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! > We use Recycled and Certified Papers > Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 > 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 > www.bucksdigital.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From clc at crownmax.com Sat Jun 7 08:05:19 2008 From: clc at crownmax.com (Charlie Counts) Date: Sat Jun 7 08:04:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Monkeys in shop In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620806062110y6c1004c4v152c33fd63389abf@mail.gmail.com> References: <353291C9D8AE44C78CE39BEC577C8D06@key.local><48486BBB.8000809@newhavenprint.com><200806061450.m56EoRf5010132@i2bnetworks.com> <83d5b9620806062110y6c1004c4v152c33fd63389abf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301c8c896$c1f15f50$7201a8c0@Crown.local> Where can you find the Monkeys and how many crayon colors would be needed? Do they make CMYK and PMS crayons? Wonder if Stewart would be able to manage them? I bet they could fold and collate also, that would be fun to watch. What a hoot, Jeff you made my day. Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road P. O. Box 234 Dunbar, WV 25064 1-800-252-4011 Fax 304-744-8652 www.crownmax.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Daghir Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 12:10 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I'm with Scott on this one - the vast majority of my customers couldn't care less if their jobs are produced on a HeidelroX ImageGen PhotonMaster 10,000XXL or by a room full of monkeys with crayons. Granted the image quality of the new Canon is fantastic. But for the most part with my customers once the quality gets to the point of "acceptable" there is no additional perceived value in anything better than that. Essentially all of my customers were/are perfectly satisfied by the image quality of my 6 year old Doc 12. There probably are markets and customers that demand more than that but I don't sell to them. So while I am personally very interested in the Canons from a business standpoint the only pertinent questions are what do they cost and how productive are they? Sellable image quality from the current generation of production boxes from Konica-Minolta, Xerox, Canon or HP is a given in my mind. As always your mileage may vary. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Scott said: > Uh guys, one thing to remember here. Machines don't make clients happy and > satisfied....you do. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Sat Jun 7 09:47:47 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Sat Jun 7 09:47:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Press Wash Use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA96BC33E18D2D-518-1AC6@MBLK-M38.sysops.aol.com> Back in my analog days, we used our shop rags.? Now thats an even?fight.? :? )? Oh though I do miss the smell of ink in the morning. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Artigy1@aol.com To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 7:52 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Press Wash Use ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Deglazer works about 4 times faster. That's what we squirt on the wasp nests that grow on the building. Press wash still gives them time to chase us and is more sporting. Roger Jackson Artigy Printing Company In a message dated 6/5/2008 6:50:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, KLMeredith@aol.com writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Amazing stuff. Today a large wasp buzzed by my head while standing next to press, and he then alighted on the nearby window. Grabbed the squirt bottle of wash and one little squirt and he (she?) dropped immediately. Better than Raid! What else can this stuff do? Ken Meredith Meredith Graphics, Cleveland, OH **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Sat Jun 7 10:23:56 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Sat Jun 7 10:24:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Zero Ink Paper (slightly Off) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA96C14164D9E0-518-1C08@MBLK-M38.sysops.aol.com> So Chuck how old are you??? :? ) Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Chuck To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 1:12 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] Zero Ink Paper (slightly Off) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? This brought some memories:? ? Polaroid intros PoGo inkless portable photo printer? .Polaroid recently announced it will launch its PoGo portable photo printer later on this summer. First seen at CES 2008, the printer, whose name is short for Polaroid-on-the-go according to Polaroid, achieves its compact 4.7- by 2.8- by 0.9-inch size by not requiring any ink cartridges. Instead, it uses Zero Ink technology and ZINK Photo Paper as its medium? ? Anyone remember the color copy machines way way back (before digital) that tried this technology? Boy does this bring back memories. if memory serves me right, NCR was the first one who tried this technology before selling it off.? ? You would load the paper into the copy machine, it would then burst the capsules (through heat) much like pressure on ncr paper to create the image in full color. Amazing technology at the time, but the paper was real expensive. The copy machine was real cheap.? ? It sounds like they have perfected the technology a little better.? ? Chuck Pappas? Arlington Swifty Printing? 1386 Massachusetts Avenue? Arlington, MA 02476? 781-646-8700? www.arlingtonswifty.com? Member: National Association of Quick Printers? Print Industry of New England? GATF? Adobe Service Network? Quark Alliance? Microsoft Publisher Provider? ? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From copythatnyc at aol.com Sat Jun 7 10:45:10 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Sat Jun 7 10:45:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Drupa - why you should pay attention. In-Reply-To: <002601c8c7fa$a1e46370$e5ad2a50$@com> References: <002601c8c7fa$a1e46370$e5ad2a50$@com> Message-ID: <8CA96C43887767D-518-1CDD@MBLK-M38.sysops.aol.com> "PERFECT"?? John as always good information.? Makes plenty of sense that future two color presses will not be produce.? As our color boxes produce work faster & less expensive.? Would be interesting to be able to print on both sides in one pass.? As far as Ricoh, I can't see how they can enter PFP market when they are direct competitors.? In NY they operate under several names.??And have?large boxes in many hospitals & schools.? In the last 3 years sales from these locations are almost non existence.?? That's just MO Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: John Henry To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 1:27 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] Drupa - why you should pay attention. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Inkjet's tomorrow, Toner's today is what I am getting. The cost of inkjet is going to be 1/2 of toner per page when production machines are out in 2-3 years. Now by production I mean units in the $1,000,000+ range. We are 5-7 years before it hits our floors. The units they showed are in $2.5- 5 million range. Ink falls short on 2 fronts, lack of paper that is close in cost and little to no duplex or coated sheet high speed units. Not one MFG had a duplicator size press at the show. Closest thing is the Presstek DI. The sales of 2 color presses is dead and no further time or money is being put in to developing anything. All rips and workflows have announced they will be PDF engine based or compatible. Make sure if you're buying you get this. Not much new in CTP imaging it is a mature market. JDF is here but not world changing, as all the players refuse to play together. Lots of web to print but all the new stuff is months away and very costly $50,000 and up. You need hold off and to never buy the weeks/month before Drupa as the prices drop and the boxes change. It is a basic fact of our industry. Big is still selling and getting faster in both speed and change over. The show had few Americans, lots of eastern euro, Asian and sheiks according to Frank Romano. Concept units were tandems that print on both sides and not have to duplex nice but down the road. So not a lot earth moving today for small shops but all of it will filter down in 5-7 years. My picks are from X the new igen4 and the new 700 will have the largest impact on our market. The new Ricoh 90 cpm color box maybe a winner if the company can get the service end right. They want in the print for market big time but so far in my view have not understood the service needs or that 11x17 is one click. So for the next 5 years expect toner to get faster better and less costly, inkjet to appear and challenge toner but not be big factor in our market for 5-7 more years. Presses will still run and make money, few will buy anything less than a 4 color new and the days of duplicator are fast ending. The Oracle of Oswego has spoken. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Sat Jun 7 13:50:52 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Sat Jun 7 13:51:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620806062110y6c1004c4v152c33fd63389abf@mail.gmail.com> References: <353291C9D8AE44C78CE39BEC577C8D06@key.local> <48486BBB.8000809@newhavenprint.com> <200806061450.m56EoRf5010132@i2bnetworks.com> <83d5b9620806062110y6c1004c4v152c33fd63389abf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I've won several customers by offering samples of their art that were much better than the ones they were using before. Both in large format and color copies. Its easy to say quality doesn't matter, but that's only until someone shows up with something better. The printers who used to service the accounts I've gotten probably think they're quality is good enough too. The quality of the Doc12 is actually excellent though, so I'm not as much talking to you, as making a general point. If your competitors start putting out better quality at the same price, or even a better price, its going to start to matter. Its always better to stay ahead of the curve here. Obviously you don't want to bite of more than you can chew, I'd love to have a iGen, but don't have the volume or physical space for it. But I think its always dangerous to assume you have a choke hold on your customers, and any facet you ignore, especially quality, is a great place for someone to swoop in and grab your customers. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com On Jun 7, 2008, at 12:10 AM, Jeff Daghir wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'm with Scott on this one - the vast majority of my customers > couldn't care less if their jobs are produced on a HeidelroX ImageGen > PhotonMaster 10,000XXL or by a room full of monkeys with crayons. > Granted the image quality of the new Canon is fantastic. But for the > most part with my customers once the quality gets to the point of > "acceptable" there is no additional perceived value in anything better > than that. Essentially all of my customers were/are perfectly > satisfied by the image quality of my 6 year old Doc 12. There probably > are markets and customers that demand more than that but I don't sell > to them. So while I am personally very interested in the Canons from a > business standpoint the only pertinent questions are what do they cost > and how productive are they? Sellable image quality from the current > generation of production boxes from Konica-Minolta, Xerox, Canon or HP > is a given in my mind. > > As always your mileage may vary. > > -- > Jeff Daghir > MPS Printing, Inc. > "The Ink & Paper People" > Madison, IN > www.mpsprinting.com > jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com > > > > > Scott said: >> Uh guys, one thing to remember here. Machines don't make clients >> happy and >> satisfied....you do. > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From jeff at hprinting.biz Sat Jun 7 15:33:15 2008 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Sat Jun 7 15:33:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620806062110y6c1004c4v152c33fd63389abf@mail.gmail.co m> References: <353291C9D8AE44C78CE39BEC577C8D06@key.local> <48486BBB.8000809@newhavenprint.com> <200806061450.m56EoRf5010132@i2bnetworks.com> <83d5b9620806062110y6c1004c4v152c33fd63389abf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080607193309.14656.14802@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 12:10 AM 6/7/2008, you wrote: >or by a room full of monkeys with crayons. Don't give away 4color's secret. That is why their color is inconsistent. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From smc at sorrentomesa.com Sat Jun 7 15:45:24 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Sat Jun 7 15:46:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo In-Reply-To: References: <353291C9D8AE44C78CE39BEC577C8D06@key.local> <48486BBB.8000809@newhavenprint.com> <200806061450.m56EoRf5010132@i2bnetworks.com> <83d5b9620806062110y6c1004c4v152c33fd63389abf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806071945.m57Jjtkk089929@i2bnetworks.com> Just my opinion here Borzou, but the days in this business are over that you can differentiate yourself by "quality." Quality is expected, its a given, its a requirement to even be in the game. Quality is in the eye of the beholder, and these days the beholders have a pretty high expectation. I would not rely on trying to swing new business your way just counting on the "quality" coefficient.... As an example, Even though the Doc 12 was renowned for its "quality" in its day, these days the cheese has moved. Doc 12 output looks "oily" and somewhat oversaturated and to many in the marketplace today, they would consider it unacceptable because it looks like it was produced off of a "copier." Today's benchmark, Canon 7000, Indigo, IGen, Nexpress, even the lowly KM 6500 all look like offset, they look like they came from a digital "press" Today's "quality" can change just like that with the next wave of technology. You never have a choke hold on your customers/clients...because they're always thinking "What have you done for me lately". We all have to think that way too. What have we done for them lately? S. At 10:50 AM 6/7/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I've won several customers by offering samples of their art that were >much better than the ones they were using before. Both in large >format and color copies. Its easy to say quality doesn't matter, but >that's only until someone shows up with something better. The >printers who used to service the accounts I've gotten probably think >they're quality is good enough too. The quality of the Doc12 is >actually excellent though, so I'm not as much talking to you, as >making a general point. If your competitors start putting out better >quality at the same price, or even a better price, its going to start >to matter. Its always better to stay ahead of the curve here. >Obviously you don't want to bite of more than you can chew, I'd love >to have a iGen, but don't have the volume or physical space for it. >But I think its always dangerous to assume you have a choke hold on >your customers, and any facet you ignore, especially quality, is a >great place for someone to swoop in and grab your customers. > >Borzou Azabdaftari >Falcon Print and Copy >1921 Gallows Road >Suite 150 >Vienna, VA 22182 >t.703.442.0124 >f.703.442.0134 >borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > >On Jun 7, 2008, at 12:10 AM, Jeff Daghir wrote: > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>I'm with Scott on this one - the vast majority of my customers >>couldn't care less if their jobs are produced on a HeidelroX ImageGen >>PhotonMaster 10,000XXL or by a room full of monkeys with crayons. >>Granted the image quality of the new Canon is fantastic. But for the >>most part with my customers once the quality gets to the point of >>"acceptable" there is no additional perceived value in anything better >>than that. Essentially all of my customers were/are perfectly >>satisfied by the image quality of my 6 year old Doc 12. There probably >>are markets and customers that demand more than that but I don't sell >>to them. So while I am personally very interested in the Canons from a >>business standpoint the only pertinent questions are what do they cost >>and how productive are they? Sellable image quality from the current >>generation of production boxes from Konica-Minolta, Xerox, Canon or HP >>is a given in my mind. >> >>As always your mileage may vary. >> >>-- >>Jeff Daghir >>MPS Printing, Inc. >>"The Ink & Paper People" >>Madison, IN >>www.mpsprinting.com >>jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com >> >> >> >> >>Scott said: >>>Uh guys, one thing to remember here. Machines don't make clients >>>happy and >>>satisfied....you do. >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3165 (20080606) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 15:47:42 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Sat Jun 7 15:47:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Drupa - why you should pay attention. In-Reply-To: <8CA96C43887767D-518-1CDD@MBLK-M38.sysops.aol.com> References: <002601c8c7fa$a1e46370$e5ad2a50$@com> <8CA96C43887767D-518-1CDD@MBLK-M38.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0806071247j21db2cc1i5596f16647f89387@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Tommy Melendez wrote: > In NY they operate under several names.??And have?large boxes in many > hospitals & schools.? In the last 3 years sales from these locations are > almost non existence.?? That's just MO > That, Tommy, is a fact of our business. There are far more of "them" (i.e. businesses and institutions who can justify their own) than there are of us (PFPs). What company would be willing to close its eyes to the lion's share of its market? There are many businesses -- some formerly good customers -- from whom we only get jobs whose quantities they deem too large to do on their own machines, or which require finishing capabilities (or card stock) they do not have; expect the trend to only accelerate. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From cpurvine1 at cox.net Sat Jun 7 16:40:09 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Sat Jun 7 16:40:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Drupa - why you should pay attention. In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0806071247j21db2cc1i5596f16647f89387@mail.gmail.com> References: <002601c8c7fa$a1e46370$e5ad2a50$@com><8CA96C43887767D-518-1CDD@MBLK-M38.sysops.aol.com> <98f5b19a0806071247j21db2cc1i5596f16647f89387@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <010701c8c8de$ad233600$6401a8c0@coranew> There is another printer here in town that I talked to the other day and he bought a large color copier because one of the churches said he could do all their color work. Well the copier people that sold him his copier went and sold the church the same copier and now he is about ready to go out of business. I know, he shouldn't have put all his eggs in one basket, but the copier dudes are going after our customers as fast as they can. I fired a copier salesman from ever coming back into my shop when he told me that he had just stopped in to see one of my biggest clients. I ask him why and he said, "he thought he might be able to sell them a copier". Grrrrrrrrrrr!! One of the reasons I bought his copier was to do printing for this client and he knew it. I went to his boss and told him that I didn't appreciate what he had done and if I couldn't trust him in my shop not to go and try and sell to my customers, he wasn't welcome there any more. As of Thursday the salesman has left selling copiers and is going into something else. Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From mail at myprinter.biz Sat Jun 7 16:50:48 2008 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Sat Jun 7 16:50:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon GPR-11 toner for 3200 series copiers In-Reply-To: <010701c8c8de$ad233600$6401a8c0@coranew> References: <002601c8c7fa$a1e46370$e5ad2a50$@com><8CA96C43887767D-518-1CDD@MBLK-M38.sysops.aol.com> <98f5b19a0806071247j21db2cc1i5596f16647f89387@mail.gmail.com> <010701c8c8de$ad233600$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <094a01c8c8e0$2aa16970$7fe43c50$@biz> I have a source for some inexpensive OEM toner for the above, but no longer own a 3200 series copier. If anybody's interested, please contact me off-list. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz From StevePrint at aol.com Sat Jun 7 19:09:02 2008 From: StevePrint at aol.com (StevePrint@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 7 19:09:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners]Copier, Brokers, Repairman - Sales People. Message-ID: Having ran a large Trade House (Regency Thermographers) for 17 years, I can speak from first hand experience that many Print Brokers would try to view orders on our will call shelf to see what customers they could call on. Our AB Dick repair guy started his own company with his brother who worked for Xerox Sales The same guys we buy our big boxes from are trying to sell them to our customers. These things are very common to our industry. Any comments? Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing _www.iorderprinting.com_ (http://www.iorderprinting.com) **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) From Copythatnyc at aol.com Sat Jun 7 19:49:07 2008 From: Copythatnyc at aol.com (Copythatnyc@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 7 19:49:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Drupa - why you should pay attention. Message-ID: Michael I do agree with you. I mean, Xerox did it to us before with XRC's Valid point But in my area they were a big part of our business Now with our new wide format equipment, both our regular reproduction & now printing banners, posters etc... have excelled If your not doing this work in-house I MUST encourage you to think about it. These parts compliment each other. For less than $25,000 you can easily generate 2-4M a month I'm thinking of dropping my Fedex service to keep up with the orders. In a message dated 6/7/2008 12:49:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Tommy Melendez wrote: > In NY they operate under several names.??And have?large boxes in many > hospitals & schools.? In the last 3 years sales from these locations are > almost non existence.?? That's just MO > That, Tommy, is a fact of our business. There are far more of "them" (i.e. businesses and institutions who can justify their own) than there are of us (PFPs). What company would be willing to close its eyes to the lion's share of its market? There are many businesses -- some formerly good customers -- from whom we only get jobs whose quantities they deem too large to do on their own machines, or which require finishing capabilities (or card stock) they do not have; expect the trend to only accelerate. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) From printer at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 7 21:09:00 2008 From: printer at sbcglobal.net (Don Black) Date: Sat Jun 7 21:09:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Drupa - why you should pay attention. Message-ID: <392747.32009.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Several years ago the local Xerox rep opened a "print shop" and was in competition(lowballing) against me for 2 years before going out of business. Only he didn't exactly just go out of business, he sold to someone who managed to keep it going for a year and then he unloaded it on someone else. They are finally gone. I don't mind competition but I don't like it when it comes from a company that is supplying me The guy is still a Xerox rep but somewhere else. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2008, at 3:40 PM, "Cora" wrote: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** There is another printer here in town that I talked to the other day and he bought a large color copier because one of the churches said he could do all their color work. Well the copier people that sold him his copier went and sold the church the same copier and now he is about ready to go out of business. I know, he shouldn't have put all his eggs in one basket, but the copier dudes are going after our customers as fast as they can. I fired a copier salesman from ever coming back into my shop when he told me that he had just stopped in to see one of my biggest clients. I ask him why and he said, "he thought he might be able to sell them a copier". Grrrrrrrrrrr!! One of the reasons I bought his copier was to do printing for this client and he knew it. I went to his boss and told him that I didn't appreciate what he had done and if I couldn't trust him in my shop not to go and try and sell to my customers, he wasn't welcome there any more. As of Thursday the salesman has left selling copiers and is going into something else. Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Sat Jun 7 21:40:02 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Sat Jun 7 21:40:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo In-Reply-To: <200806071945.m57Jjtkk089929@i2bnetworks.com> References: <353291C9D8AE44C78CE39BEC577C8D06@key.local> <48486BBB.8000809@newhavenprint.com> <200806061450.m56EoRf5010132@i2bnetworks.com> <83d5b9620806062110y6c1004c4v152c33fd63389abf@mail.gmail.com> <200806071945.m57Jjtkk089929@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <2E3AB9F7-FC67-49B1-B1DC-CD1E7525B740@falconprintandcopy.com> Um, thanks for agreeing with me Scott. All I was saying is that quality is an important factor and shouldn't be ignored. Certainly not the only one. Like I said, its dangerous to assume you have a choke hold on your customers. I never claimed that I, or anyone, had one. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com On Jun 7, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Just my opinion here Borzou, but the days in this business are over > that you can differentiate yourself by "quality." > > Quality is expected, its a given, its a requirement to even be in > the game. > > Quality is in the eye of the beholder, and these days the beholders > have a pretty high expectation. > > I would not rely on trying to swing new business your way just > counting on the "quality" coefficient.... > > As an example, Even though the Doc 12 was renowned for its "quality" > in its day, these days the cheese has moved. > > Doc 12 output looks "oily" and somewhat oversaturated and to many in > the marketplace today, they would consider it unacceptable because > it looks like it was produced off of a "copier." > > Today's benchmark, Canon 7000, Indigo, IGen, Nexpress, even the > lowly KM 6500 all look like offset, they look like they came from a > digital "press" > > Today's "quality" can change just like that with the next wave of > technology. > > You never have a choke hold on your customers/clients...because > they're always thinking "What have you done for me lately". > > We all have to think that way too. > > What have we done for them lately? > > S. > > > > > At 10:50 AM 6/7/2008, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I've won several customers by offering samples of their art that were >> much better than the ones they were using before. Both in large >> format and color copies. Its easy to say quality doesn't matter, but >> that's only until someone shows up with something better. The >> printers who used to service the accounts I've gotten probably think >> they're quality is good enough too. The quality of the Doc12 is >> actually excellent though, so I'm not as much talking to you, as >> making a general point. If your competitors start putting out better >> quality at the same price, or even a better price, its going to start >> to matter. Its always better to stay ahead of the curve here. >> Obviously you don't want to bite of more than you can chew, I'd love >> to have a iGen, but don't have the volume or physical space for it. >> But I think its always dangerous to assume you have a choke hold on >> your customers, and any facet you ignore, especially quality, is a >> great place for someone to swoop in and grab your customers. >> >> Borzou Azabdaftari >> Falcon Print and Copy >> 1921 Gallows Road >> Suite 150 >> Vienna, VA 22182 >> t.703.442.0124 >> f.703.442.0134 >> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com >> >> On Jun 7, 2008, at 12:10 AM, Jeff Daghir wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> I'm with Scott on this one - the vast majority of my customers >>> couldn't care less if their jobs are produced on a HeidelroX >>> ImageGen >>> PhotonMaster 10,000XXL or by a room full of monkeys with crayons. >>> Granted the image quality of the new Canon is fantastic. But for the >>> most part with my customers once the quality gets to the point of >>> "acceptable" there is no additional perceived value in anything >>> better >>> than that. Essentially all of my customers were/are perfectly >>> satisfied by the image quality of my 6 year old Doc 12. There >>> probably >>> are markets and customers that demand more than that but I don't >>> sell >>> to them. So while I am personally very interested in the Canons >>> from a >>> business standpoint the only pertinent questions are what do they >>> cost >>> and how productive are they? Sellable image quality from the current >>> generation of production boxes from Konica-Minolta, Xerox, Canon >>> or HP >>> is a given in my mind. >>> >>> As always your mileage may vary. >>> >>> -- >>> Jeff Daghir >>> MPS Printing, Inc. >>> "The Ink & Paper People" >>> Madison, IN >>> www.mpsprinting.com >>> jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Scott said: >>>> Uh guys, one thing to remember here. Machines don't make clients >>>> happy and >>>> satisfied....you do. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3165 (20080606) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 23:24:35 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Sat Jun 7 23:24:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Drupa - why you should pay attention. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0806072024x4f00bac6sa48cde8fdb37d456@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 7:49 PM, wrote: > > > Michael I do agree with you. I mean, Xerox did it to us before with XRC's > Valid point But in my area they were a big part of our business Now with > our new wide format equipment, both our regular reproduction & now > printing > banners, posters etc... have excelled If your not doing this work > in-house I > MUST encourage you to think about it. Been doing large format for years (since back in the day when we could charge $12/sq ft + RIP). It was especially good business before my largest poster customer started doing their own. Then I just did mounting and laminating for them, which was still pretty good business until they started doing their own. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From bill at werkheiser.com Sun Jun 8 19:59:32 2008 From: bill at werkheiser.com (Bill Werkheiser) Date: Sun Jun 8 19:59:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 2008-2009 Operating Ratio Study In-Reply-To: <41aa6a080806061817x786028e0hb8c6c3937603c978@mail.gmail.com> References: <41aa6a080806061817x786028e0hb8c6c3937603c978@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4873FFE2.3070603@werkheiser.com> Awesome would be an understatement. Bill Werkheiser http://WeLoveToPrint.com SE PrinTech / Coastal Mailing Services P O Box 27 - 315 E Banks St. Glennville, GA 30427 (912) 654-3610 phone (912) 654-3611 fax Dennis Trump wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I just got my copy of the NAQP 2008-2009 Operating Ratio Study today and all > I can say is WOW! What an awesome tool. Not only does it give you a cross > section of our industry but my numbers are right beside the industry > numbers. I've got a lot of studying to do. I know we all are probably all > members of NAQP on this list but if your not and this doesn't give you a > reason to join nothing will. Kudos to NAQP and John Stewart for putting this > together. Very impressive indeed! > > From copythatnyc at aol.com Mon Jun 9 09:45:48 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Mon Jun 9 09:45:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Drupa - why you should pay attention. In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0806072024x4f00bac6sa48cde8fdb37d456@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0806072024x4f00bac6sa48cde8fdb37d456@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CA984E42190509-16F0-12E3@WEBMAIL-DC18.sysops.aol.com> Was charging that much back in 2000, but at the time I was outsourcing? One or two orders a month? Since bringing the work in-house five months ago.? We are doing at least one order a day Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Vogel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 11:24 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Drupa - why you should pay attention. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 7:49 PM, wrote: > > > Michael I do agree with you. I mean, Xerox did it to us before with XRC's > Valid point But in my area they were a big part of our business Now with > our new wide format equipment, both our regular reproduction & now > printing > banners, posters etc... have excelled If your not doing this work > in-house I > MUST encourage you to think about it. Been doing large format for years (since back in the day when we could charge $12/sq ft + RIP). It was especially good business before my largest poster customer started doing their own. Then I just did mounting and laminating for them, which was still pretty good business until they started doing their own. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Mon Jun 9 10:32:45 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Mon Jun 9 10:32:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon C1+ In-Reply-To: <4873FFE2.3070603@werkheiser.com> Message-ID: The fact that its a low-volume unit takes some of the luster away form this, but I still thought this was pretty exciting. http://www.printweek.com/news/813957/Canon-C1+-proves-Drupa-success/ Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Mon Jun 9 11:00:00 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Mon Jun 9 11:00:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] inkjet addressing question In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080606162021.03367158@bucksdigital.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080606162021.03367158@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <484D4570.1060902@satx.rr.com> I suggest you find a new mail house. One that knows how to deal with data. We have even had to use OCR to get jobs into the system (don't ask) and deal with tab delimited data all the time. Just how hard is it to fix. It would take the data processing dept about 5 minutes to fix a file or less, unless it was a large file that took a while to open or save. Pitney-Bowes equipment? Not in a real mail house. Look for names like Buskro, Mailcrafter, Bell and Howell, video-jet and Kirk-Rudy. See if they are using real mailing software like Accu-Zip. If the are using PB equipment run! Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Bob Herion wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We do some mailing here, simply because we can address on the printers > as variable. > When we have a large job going offset, I have the mail house handle > the addressing. > Here is my question: > A new mailer has run into trouble addressing with our files (tab > delimited). > Yes, they were customer supplied. > The problem is that more often than not, his Pitney Bowes machine is > placing characters in place of a space - even in the endorsement line. > For instance, an address may look like this > BobZHerion > 90ZWalkerZlane > NewtownZPAZ18940 > > See the "z" in place of the space? Well, that same record, printed by > itself might print correctly. > Pitney Bowes is telling the mailer it is because the customer has used > ", @. &, type symbols in some addressing fields (Joseph "Joe" for > instance) and when one of those characters are hit, then the system > will do as it is doing. > > I've never heard of this, but I won't say its not so. > Looking for the answer as to how high this is on the bullshit meter. > Thanks in advance. > > > > Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! > We use Recycled and Certified Papers > Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 > 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 > www.bucksdigital.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From Susan at cdandp.net Mon Jun 9 11:54:45 2008 From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton) Date: Mon Jun 9 11:56:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do? (Long) Message-ID: <011a01c8ca49$2388cb50$8302a8c0@Robbin> Have any of you had a Job from Hell that just didn't want to be completed, where everything you did was wrong? Here is what I am up against, so "What would you do?" A local university gave us a job for 500 literary books, full cover throughout. The lady we are working with is nice, but very high strung (she is an English professor who worked with the students on the content, not the design). We printed the books on our MOZ, did the finishing work, then sent them to a local vendor to have them perfect bound. These books were technically too small for perfect binding, and we tried to talk the client into saddle-stitch, but she wanted it perfect-bound like other literary books so, with a warning from us that it might have some "bunching," we had her books perfect bound. We get them back. We leaf through them, and they look good. We deliver them to the university. After about a week, she calls back saying that the books are defective, there are blank pages, there are ink smears, there is a page where the type is there, but the picture is not, etc. She is absolutely frantic. We apologize and tell her to bring them back, and we will reprint the bad ones. About a week later, she brings a few back to show us, and we see what she is talking about. We explain that things happen, double-sheeting, some smearing on gloss paper, etc. However, the page she was talking about that "had type but no picture," was supposed to be a page with type and no picture (does she not remember her own book?). We tell her, "Yes, you are right, bring us back the other books, and we will reprint the ones that are defective." Here is the kicker: At this point, one week after she first said the books were bad, she says she cannot bring them back to us because she has handed them all out to the students and the students are gone. She wants us to reprint the entire job. One thing she had also complained about was that the color on the digital version was different than the one on the press, even though the digital proof was set to the MOZ profile (which Steve Mills helped us set up). The books she brought back were certainly within the acceptable range. Anyway, since she liked the digital color, we decided to print them on our Xerox 240 this time. The cover is a high contrast B&W, which we couldn't get black enough on the 240, so we print it offset on our 3302 (we no longer have the MOZ). Off we ship it to have it perfect bound. Last Friday (after I had already left for a short vacation), we get a call from the person doing the perfect binding, and we don't have enough extra on the edge (Did I mention that every single page as a black box on it which contains either the text or the photograph?). He's trying to explain this to my CSR who doesn't have an idea what he is talking about, she's calling me on my cell phone after I'm about an hour away, so I tell her to tell him to have a nice weekend, and we'll deal with it on Monday. Yes, if we made a mistake, we should make it right. However, (and here is my "What would you do" question). I've already lost money big time by having to print it twice, now I may have to print it a third time. To cut my losses from going any further, I am about to the point of calling the woman and telling her that we can't seem to match the standards she has received from us in the past (the "other" company had printed these books on the MOZ) and that we are going to have to let her keep the first books at no charge and find another printer. So what would you do? Thanks in advance, Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, VA 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, VA 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net From kathy at mpcny.com Mon Jun 9 12:03:39 2008 From: kathy at mpcny.com (Kathy Henry) Date: Mon Jun 9 12:03:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do? (Long) In-Reply-To: <011a01c8ca49$2388cb50$8302a8c0@Robbin> References: <011a01c8ca49$2388cb50$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: <001d01c8ca4a$61e46d90$25ad48b0$@com> "telling her that we can't seem to match the standards she has received from us in the past (the "other" company had printed these books on the MOZ) and that we are going to have to let her keep the first books at no charge and find another printer" Exactly, word for word. Sometimes you just have to fire the client. Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower." Steve Jobs 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) From bob at rjmprinting.com Mon Jun 9 12:11:46 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Mon Jun 9 12:11:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do? (Long) In-Reply-To: <001d01c8ca4a$61e46d90$25ad48b0$@com> Message-ID: Fix the problem. It sounds like you have a huge quality control issue. The "other company" is now your company and she has every right to expect the same quality. Do you have history from when the last time this job was done? Did she complain? If the last time was a huge hassle I would "fire" her if not then I would fire someone in your shop. Either way someone should get fired. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Henry Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 11:04 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] What would you do? (Long) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** "telling her that we can't seem to match the standards she has received from us in the past (the "other" company had printed these books on the MOZ) and that we are going to have to let her keep the first books at no charge and find another printer" Exactly, word for word. Sometimes you just have to fire the client. Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower." Steve Jobs 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From armand at curryonline.com Mon Jun 9 12:13:27 2008 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Mon Jun 9 12:13:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do? (Long) In-Reply-To: <011a01c8ca49$2388cb50$8302a8c0@Robbin> References: <011a01c8ca49$2388cb50$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: <0b8201c8ca4b$c09c8420$41d58c60$@com> Depends on how good a client this University is. If you tell them to find someone else, you may (most likely!) will never see them again. I keep preaching to all my staff that we have to consider the Life Time Value (LTV) of a customer. Just because you will "lose your shirt" on this job, over the lifetime of the customer will you net more profit by reprinting the book a third time? If not, then cut her loose. But, you stand on strengthening your relationship with this client (if that is what you want) if you deliver a product she is happy with. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing Auburn, ME 04210 armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Susan Compton Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 11:55 AM To: Printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do? (Long) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Have any of you had a Job from Hell that just didn't want to be completed, where everything you did was wrong? Here is what I am up against, so "What would you do?" A local university gave us a job for 500 literary books, full cover throughout. The lady we are working with is nice, but very high strung (she is an English professor who worked with the students on the content, not the design). We printed the books on our MOZ, did the finishing work, then sent them to a local vendor to have them perfect bound. These books were technically too small for perfect binding, and we tried to talk the client into saddle-stitch, but she wanted it perfect-bound like other literary books so, with a warning from us that it might have some "bunching," we had her books perfect bound. We get them back. We leaf through them, and they look good. We deliver them to the university. After about a week, she calls back saying that the books are defective, there are blank pages, there are ink smears, there is a page where the type is there, but the picture is not, etc. She is absolutely frantic. We apologize and tell her to bring them back, and we will reprint the bad ones. About a week later, she brings a few back to show us, and we see what she is talking about. We explain that things happen, double-sheeting, some smearing on gloss paper, etc. However, the page she was talking about that "had type but no picture," was supposed to be a page with type and no picture (does she not remember her own book?). We tell her, "Yes, you are right, bring us back the other books, and we will reprint the ones that are defective." Here is the kicker: At this point, one week after she first said the books were bad, she says she cannot bring them back to us because she has handed them all out to the students and the students are gone. She wants us to reprint the entire job. One thing she had also complained about was that the color on the digital version was different than the one on the press, even though the digital proof was set to the MOZ profile (which Steve Mills helped us set up). The books she brought back were certainly within the acceptable range. Anyway, since she liked the digital color, we decided to print them on our Xerox 240 this time. The cover is a high contrast B&W, which we couldn't get black enough on the 240, so we print it offset on our 3302 (we no longer have the MOZ). Off we ship it to have it perfect bound. Last Friday (after I had already left for a short vacation), we get a call from the person doing the perfect binding, and we don't have enough extra on the edge (Did I mention that every single page as a black box on it which contains either the text or the photograph?). He's trying to explain this to my CSR who doesn't have an idea what he is talking about, she's calling me on my cell phone after I'm about an hour away, so I tell her to tell him to have a nice weekend, and we'll deal with it on Monday. Yes, if we made a mistake, we should make it right. However, (and here is my "What would you do" question). I've already lost money big time by having to print it twice, now I may have to print it a third time. To cut my losses from going any further, I am about to the point of calling the woman and telling her that we can't seem to match the standards she has received from us in the past (the "other" company had printed these books on the MOZ) and that we are going to have to let her keep the first books at no charge and find another printer. So what would you do? Thanks in advance, Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, VA 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, VA 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Mon Jun 9 12:18:19 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Mon Jun 9 12:18:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do? (Long) In-Reply-To: <0b8201c8ca4b$c09c8420$41d58c60$@com> Message-ID: Also, it seems to me you could take your sweet time with this since they students are presumably gone till fall. You've already printed it the second time, I'd make sure you had to run it a third time before I did anything hasty. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Armand Girard > Organization: Curry Printing & Mailing > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 12:13:27 -0400 > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] What would you do? (Long) > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Depends on how good a client this University is. If you tell them to find > someone else, you may (most likely!) will never see them again. > > I keep preaching to all my staff that we have to consider the Life Time > Value (LTV) of a customer. Just because you will "lose your shirt" on this > job, over the lifetime of the customer will you net more profit by > reprinting the book a third time? If not, then cut her loose. But, you stand > on strengthening your relationship with this client (if that is what you > want) if you deliver a product she is happy with. > > > Armand Girard > Curry Printing & Mailing > Auburn, ME 04210 > > armand@curryonline.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Susan Compton > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 11:55 AM > To: Printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do? (Long) > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Have any of you had a Job from Hell that just didn't want to be completed, > where everything you did was wrong? Here is what I am up against, so "What > would you do?" > > A local university gave us a job for 500 literary books, full cover > throughout. The lady we are working with is nice, but very high strung (she > > is an English professor who worked with the students on the content, not the > > design). We printed the books on our MOZ, did the finishing work, then sent > them to a local vendor to have them perfect bound. These books were > technically too small for perfect binding, and we tried to talk the client > into saddle-stitch, but she wanted it perfect-bound like other literary > books so, with a warning from us that it might have some "bunching," we had > her books perfect bound. > > We get them back. We leaf through them, and they look good. We deliver > them to the university. After about a week, she calls back saying that the > books are defective, there are blank pages, there are ink smears, there is a > > page where the type is there, but the picture is not, etc. She is > absolutely frantic. We apologize and tell her to bring them back, and we > will reprint the bad ones. About a week later, she brings a few back to > show us, and we see what she is talking about. We explain that things > happen, double-sheeting, some smearing on gloss paper, etc. However, the > page she was talking about that "had type but no picture," was supposed to > be a page with type and no picture (does she not remember her own book?). > We tell her, "Yes, you are right, bring us back the other books, and we will > > reprint the ones that are defective." > > Here is the kicker: At this point, one week after she first said the books > were bad, she says she cannot bring them back to us because she has handed > them all out to the students and the students are gone. She wants us to > reprint the entire job. > One thing she had also complained about was that the color on the digital > version was different than the one on the press, even though the digital > proof was set to the MOZ profile (which Steve Mills helped us set up). The > books she brought back were certainly within the acceptable range. Anyway, > since she liked the digital color, we decided to print them on our Xerox 240 > > this time. The cover is a high contrast B&W, which we couldn't get black > enough on the 240, so we print it offset on our 3302 (we no longer have the > MOZ). Off we ship it to have it perfect bound. > > Last Friday (after I had already left for a short vacation), we get a call > from the person doing the perfect binding, and we don't have enough extra on > > the edge (Did I mention that every single page as a black box on it which > contains either the text or the photograph?). He's trying to explain this > to my CSR who doesn't have an idea what he is talking about, she's calling > me on my cell phone after I'm about an hour away, so I tell her to tell him > to have a nice weekend, and we'll deal with it on Monday. > > Yes, if we made a mistake, we should make it right. However, (and here is > my "What would you do" question). I've already lost money big time by > having to print it twice, now I may have to print it a third time. To cut > my losses from going any further, I am about to the point of calling the > woman and telling her that we can't seem to match the standards she has > received from us in the past (the "other" company had printed these books on > > the MOZ) and that we are going to have to let her keep the first books at no > > charge and find another printer. So what would you do? > > Thanks in advance, > > Susan Wells Compton > Compton Design & Printing Inc. > 109 South Jefferson Street > Lexington, VA 24450 > 540-463-9232 > 540-464-4329 Fax > Susan@cdandp.net > www.cdandp.net > > Susan Wells Compton > Compton Design & Printing Inc. > 109 South Jefferson Street > Lexington, VA 24450 > 540-463-9232 > 540-464-4329 Fax > Susan@cdandp.net > www.cdandp.net > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From brianoday at eprint.us Mon Jun 9 12:20:42 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Mon Jun 9 12:24:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 2008-2009 Operating Ratio Study In-Reply-To: <41aa6a080806061817x786028e0hb8c6c3937603c978@mail.gmail.com> References: <41aa6a080806061817x786028e0hb8c6c3937603c978@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005801c8ca4c$c3c063f0$800101df@eprint.local> I agree. Usually I get the report read it a little and it takes a week to digest. I received my study Last Thursday and spent the whole afternoon looking it over comparing my numbers and formulating my plan to fix a few things that stick out. I was even going to send a copy of the pertinent pages to my banker they look so good. My complements to Steve Johnson, John Stewart and all of those at NAQP helped bring this study into the 21tsth century. This is real variable data with each participant receiving a custom report. WOW SURE GLAD I PARTICIPOATED Brian O'Day ePRINT 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland Oregon 97223 (503)684-267 Brianoday@eprint.us www.eprint.us -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Trump Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 6:18 PM To: Printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] 2008-2009 Operating Ratio Study ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I just got my copy of the NAQP 2008-2009 Operating Ratio Study today and all I can say is WOW! What an awesome tool. Not only does it give you a cross section of our industry but my numbers are right beside the industry numbers. I've got a lot of studying to do. I know we all are probably all members of NAQP on this list but if your not and this doesn't give you a reason to join nothing will. Kudos to NAQP and John Stewart for putting this together. Very impressive indeed! -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From scott at usacolor.com Mon Jun 9 12:24:42 2008 From: scott at usacolor.com (scott) Date: Mon Jun 9 12:24:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do? (Long) In-Reply-To: <0b8201c8ca4b$c09c8420$41d58c60$@com> References: <011a01c8ca49$2388cb50$8302a8c0@Robbin> <0b8201c8ca4b$c09c8420$41d58c60$@com> Message-ID: <484D594A.1040808@usacolor.com> Fix the book, fix the internal problems that lead to this. Move on. Scott Balsiger, President USA Color Printing Inc. www.usacolor.com 791 Mahnomen Dr. Bemidji, MN 56601 800-759-9126 218-759-9126 218-759-2883(fax) 218-556-5505(cell) Armand Girard wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Depends on how good a client this University is. If you tell them to find > someone else, you may (most likely!) will never see them again. > > I keep preaching to all my staff that we have to consider the Life Time > Value (LTV) of a customer. Just because you will "lose your shirt" on this > job, over the lifetime of the customer will you net more profit by > reprinting the book a third time? If not, then cut her loose. But, you stand > on strengthening your relationship with this client (if that is what you > want) if you deliver a product she is happy with. > > > Armand Girard > Curry Printing & Mailing > Auburn, ME 04210 > > armand@curryonline.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Susan Compton > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 11:55 AM > To: Printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do? (Long) > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Have any of you had a Job from Hell that just didn't want to be completed, > where everything you did was wrong? Here is what I am up against, so "What > would you do?" > > A local university gave us a job for 500 literary books, full cover > throughout. The lady we are working with is nice, but very high strung (she > > is an English professor who worked with the students on the content, not the > > design). We printed the books on our MOZ, did the finishing work, then sent > them to a local vendor to have them perfect bound. These books were > technically too small for perfect binding, and we tried to talk the client > into saddle-stitch, but she wanted it perfect-bound like other literary > books so, with a warning from us that it might have some "bunching," we had > her books perfect bound. > > We get them back. We leaf through them, and they look good. We deliver > them to the university. After about a week, she calls back saying that the > books are defective, there are blank pages, there are ink smears, there is a > > page where the type is there, but the picture is not, etc. She is > absolutely frantic. We apologize and tell her to bring them back, and we > will reprint the bad ones. About a week later, she brings a few back to > show us, and we see what she is talking about. We explain that things > happen, double-sheeting, some smearing on gloss paper, etc. However, the > page she was talking about that "had type but no picture," was supposed to > be a page with type and no picture (does she not remember her own book?). > We tell her, "Yes, you are right, bring us back the other books, and we will > > reprint the ones that are defective." > > Here is the kicker: At this point, one week after she first said the books > were bad, she says she cannot bring them back to us because she has handed > them all out to the students and the students are gone. She wants us to > reprint the entire job. > One thing she had also complained about was that the color on the digital > version was different than the one on the press, even though the digital > proof was set to the MOZ profile (which Steve Mills helped us set up). The > books she brought back were certainly within the acceptable range. Anyway, > since she liked the digital color, we decided to print them on our Xerox 240 > > this time. The cover is a high contrast B&W, which we couldn't get black > enough on the 240, so we print it offset on our 3302 (we no longer have the > MOZ). Off we ship it to have it perfect bound. > > Last Friday (after I had already left for a short vacation), we get a call > from the person doing the perfect binding, and we don't have enough extra on > > the edge (Did I mention that every single page as a black box on it which > contains either the text or the photograph?). He's trying to explain this > to my CSR who doesn't have an idea what he is talking about, she's calling > me on my cell phone after I'm about an hour away, so I tell her to tell him > to have a nice weekend, and we'll deal with it on Monday. > > Yes, if we made a mistake, we should make it right. However, (and here is > my "What would you do" question). I've already lost money big time by > having to print it twice, now I may have to print it a third time. To cut > my losses from going any further, I am about to the point of calling the > woman and telling her that we can't seem to match the standards she has > received from us in the past (the "other" company had printed these books on > > the MOZ) and that we are going to have to let her keep the first books at no > > charge and find another printer. So what would you do? > > Thanks in advance, > > Susan Wells Compton > Compton Design & Printing Inc. > 109 South Jefferson Street > Lexington, VA 24450 > 540-463-9232 > 540-464-4329 Fax > Susan@cdandp.net > www.cdandp.net > > Susan Wells Compton > Compton Design & Printing Inc. > 109 South Jefferson Street > Lexington, VA 24450 > 540-463-9232 > 540-464-4329 Fax > Susan@cdandp.net > www.cdandp.net > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From copythatnyc at aol.com Mon Jun 9 12:32:16 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Mon Jun 9 12:32:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Poly Bags Message-ID: <8CA98658373B456-173C-AA5@WEBMAIL-DC18.sysops.aol.com> Looking for manufacturer of 3 mil white non see thru 5" x 7" poly bags Quantity 35m - 50m - 100m Thanks in advance Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com From Susan at cdandp.net Mon Jun 9 12:31:32 2008 From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton) Date: Mon Jun 9 12:33:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do? (Long) References: Message-ID: <015801c8ca4e$4742a930$8302a8c0@Robbin> Thanks for the suggestions. Bob, yes we do have quality control issues. I never did four-color work in my other shop. The press operator here is used to doing his four-color work on the MOZ, from film and metal plates. We no longer have the MOZ, and we are doing all of our small- format plates on a Rip-It. We brought Steve Mills in and got everything set up right for the MOZ, but haven't done a fingerprint of the 3302 yet. Our four-color press operator was very good on the MOZ and is improving on the 3302, but he is going through a divorce and child custody issues and his work has been slipping. He's young (not even 30) and has plenty of natural ability (when he applies himself). Yes, the client has been a flake every time, according to my production manager (who recently left to become a missionary), just not this much of one. Let's say that I probably would not have printed her book next year no matter what happened this year (this was my first year doing the job). As far as long-term value, each department at this university does its own thing, so I can't really determine how much of a problem this would be. It is a very small university, but on the grow; they don't do a whole lot of printing now, but could very well in the future. I thought, too, that she would hand them out in the fall, but she wants to hand them out to those students who are here for the summer session. She has already called once checking on them. I really do want them to have a quality product. I really do want to create a quality product. The reason I am in turmoil is that, in my gut, I don't feel like "third time is the charm," although I don't really know why. Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, VA 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Molacek" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 12:11 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] What would you do? (Long) > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Fix the problem. It sounds like you have a huge quality control issue. > The > "other company" is now your company and she has every right to expect the > same quality. > > Do you have history from when the last time this job was done? Did she > complain? > > If the last time was a huge hassle I would "fire" her if not then I would > fire someone in your shop. Either way someone should get fired. > > Bob Molacek > Sir Speedy Printing > 7793 Ranchers Road > Fridley, MN 55432 > 763-571-4608 > bob@rjmprinting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Henry > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 11:04 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] What would you do? (Long) > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > "telling her that we can't seem to match the standards she has > received from us in the past (the "other" company had printed these books > on > > the MOZ) and that we are going to have to let her keep the first books at > no > > charge and find another printer" > > Exactly, word for word. Sometimes you just have to fire the client. > > Kathleen Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing > kathy@mpcny.com > > > "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower." > Steve Jobs > > > 125 East First Street > PO Box 815 > Oswego, NY 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 (fax) > (315) 532-0943 (cell) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3168 (20080609) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Mon Jun 9 12:37:25 2008 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Mon Jun 9 12:37:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do? (Long) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <010901c8ca4f$1a0a02f0$5a01a8c0@fileserver> My question would be is she going to replace the ones she gave the students or is she going to get 2 sets for the price of one and give the corrected ones to another group of students? If she is going to give the new ones to a new group of students then I would simply say you don't owe us anything for the botched order and we will reprint only if you are going to replace the ones we printed wrong. This could go on forever otherwise. I think she is trying to take advantage of the situation which means she doesn't understand win/win or partnership type relationships. Partnership relationships that are mutually rewarding as well as mutually respectful are essential to long term growth of your business but they take a lot of effort and commitment just like a marriage. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 11:18 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] What would you do? (Long) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Also, it seems to me you could take your sweet time with this since they students are presumably gone till fall. You've already printed it the second time, I'd make sure you had to run it a third time before I did anything hasty. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Armand Girard > Organization: Curry Printing & Mailing > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 12:13:27 -0400 > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] What would you do? (Long) > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Depends on how good a client this University is. If you tell them to find > someone else, you may (most likely!) will never see them again. > > I keep preaching to all my staff that we have to consider the Life Time > Value (LTV) of a customer. Just because you will "lose your shirt" on this > job, over the lifetime of the customer will you net more profit by > reprinting the book a third time? If not, then cut her loose. But, you stand > on strengthening your relationship with this client (if that is what you > want) if you deliver a product she is happy with. > > > Armand Girard > Curry Printing & Mailing > Auburn, ME 04210 > > armand@curryonline.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Susan Compton > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 11:55 AM > To: Printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do? (Long) > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Have any of you had a Job from Hell that just didn't want to be completed, > where everything you did was wrong? Here is what I am up against, so "What > would you do?" > > A local university gave us a job for 500 literary books, full cover > throughout. The lady we are working with is nice, but very high strung (she > > is an English professor who worked with the students on the content, not the > > design). We printed the books on our MOZ, did the finishing work, then sent > them to a local vendor to have them perfect bound. These books were > technically too small for perfect binding, and we tried to talk the client > into saddle-stitch, but she wanted it perfect-bound like other literary > books so, with a warning from us that it might have some "bunching," we had > her books perfect bound. > > We get them back. We leaf through them, and they look good. We deliver > them to the university. After about a week, she calls back saying that the > books are defective, there are blank pages, there are ink smears, there is a > > page where the type is there, but the picture is not, etc. She is > absolutely frantic. We apologize and tell her to bring them back, and we > will reprint the bad ones. About a week later, she brings a few back to > show us, and we see what she is talking about. We explain that things > happen, double-sheeting, some smearing on gloss paper, etc. However, the > page she was talking about that "had type but no picture," was supposed to > be a page with type and no picture (does she not remember her own book?). > We tell her, "Yes, you are right, bring us back the other books, and we will > > reprint the ones that are defective." > > Here is the kicker: At this point, one week after she first said the books > were bad, she says she cannot bring them back to us because she has handed > them all out to the students and the students are gone. She wants us to > reprint the entire job. > One thing she had also complained about was that the color on the digital > version was different than the one on the press, even though the digital > proof was set to the MOZ profile (which Steve Mills helped us set up). The > books she brought back were certainly within the acceptable range. Anyway, > since she liked the digital color, we decided to print them on our Xerox 240 > > this time. The cover is a high contrast B&W, which we couldn't get black > enough on the 240, so we print it offset on our 3302 (we no longer have the > MOZ). Off we ship it to have it perfect bound. > > Last Friday (after I had already left for a short vacation), we get a call > from the person doing the perfect binding, and we don't have enough extra on > > the edge (Did I mention that every single page as a black box on it which > contains either the text or the photograph?). He's trying to explain this > to my CSR who doesn't have an idea what he is talking about, she's calling > me on my cell phone after I'm about an hour away, so I tell her to tell him > to have a nice weekend, and we'll deal with it on Monday. > > Yes, if we made a mistake, we should make it right. However, (and here is > my "What would you do" question). I've already lost money big time by > having to print it twice, now I may have to print it a third time. To cut > my losses from going any further, I am about to the point of calling the > woman and telling her that we can't seem to match the standards she has > received from us in the past (the "other" company had printed these books on > > the MOZ) and that we are going to have to let her keep the first books at no > > charge and find another printer. So what would you do? > > Thanks in advance, > > Susan Wells Compton > Compton Design & Printing Inc. > 109 South Jefferson Street > Lexington, VA 24450 > 540-463-9232 > 540-464-4329 Fax > Susan@cdandp.net > www.cdandp.net > > Susan Wells Compton > Compton Design & Printing Inc. > 109 South Jefferson Street > Lexington, VA 24450 > 540-463-9232 > 540-464-4329 Fax > Susan@cdandp.net > www.cdandp.net > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3168 (20080609) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From acepm2 at gmail.com Mon Jun 9 12:51:25 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Mon Jun 9 12:52:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 2008-2009 Operating Ratio Study In-Reply-To: <005801c8ca4c$c3c063f0$800101df@eprint.local> References: <41aa6a080806061817x786028e0hb8c6c3937603c978@mail.gmail.com> <005801c8ca4c$c3c063f0$800101df@eprint.local> Message-ID: I just got mine this morning! ..........all I can say is "wow!!!!!!!!!!" Excellent job John! Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com From brianoday at eprint.us Mon Jun 9 12:55:03 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Mon Jun 9 12:58:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do? (Long) In-Reply-To: <484D594A.1040808@usacolor.com> References: <011a01c8ca49$2388cb50$8302a8c0@Robbin><0b8201c8ca4b$c09c8420$41d58c60$@com> <484D594A.1040808@usacolor.com> Message-ID: <005b01c8ca51$90702710$800101df@eprint.local> Once an order is accepted you can never give up! If you give up on this one you will give up on the next. It sounds to me like you have problems with your proofing. To start with as a minimum you need a good proof that is right and signed by your customer. Without a contract proof you will never know what she will agree to. Proofs for books take time but are a great insurance policy. Let the customer know you are starting over and it will take time. Heck at this point you should have enough to put together to make a proof with all unacceptable parts marked. Let her understand that if you do, you have meet her specifications. After you have made her happy you will have learned a great printing lesion, she will be better educated on how to buy print and you should be able to print this every year plus get her to tell her friends. Don't quit! Brian O'Day ePRINT 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland Oregon 97223 (503)684-267 Brianoday@eprint.us www.eprint.us -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of scott Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 9:25 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] What would you do? (Long) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Fix the book, fix the internal problems that lead to this. Move on. Scott Balsiger, President USA Color Printing Inc. www.usacolor.com 791 Mahnomen Dr. Bemidji, MN 56601 800-759-9126 218-759-9126 218-759-2883(fax) 218-556-5505(cell) Armand Girard wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Depends on how good a client this University is. If you tell them to find > someone else, you may (most likely!) will never see them again. > > I keep preaching to all my staff that we have to consider the Life Time > Value (LTV) of a customer. Just because you will "lose your shirt" on this > job, over the lifetime of the customer will you net more profit by > reprinting the book a third time? If not, then cut her loose. But, you stand > on strengthening your relationship with this client (if that is what you > want) if you deliver a product she is happy with. > > > Armand Girard > Curry Printing & Mailing > Auburn, ME 04210 > > armand@curryonline.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Susan Compton > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 11:55 AM > To: Printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do? (Long) > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Have any of you had a Job from Hell that just didn't want to be completed, > where everything you did was wrong? Here is what I am up against, so "What > would you do?" > > A local university gave us a job for 500 literary books, full cover > throughout. The lady we are working with is nice, but very high strung (she > > is an English professor who worked with the students on the content, not the > > design). We printed the books on our MOZ, did the finishing work, then sent > them to a local vendor to have them perfect bound. These books were > technically too small for perfect binding, and we tried to talk the client > into saddle-stitch, but she wanted it perfect-bound like other literary > books so, with a warning from us that it might have some "bunching," we had > her books perfect bound. > > We get them back. We leaf through them, and they look good. We deliver > them to the university. After about a week, she calls back saying that the > books are defective, there are blank pages, there are ink smears, there is a > > page where the type is there, but the picture is not, etc. She is > absolutely frantic. We apologize and tell her to bring them back, and we > will reprint the bad ones. About a week later, she brings a few back to > show us, and we see what she is talking about. We explain that things > happen, double-sheeting, some smearing on gloss paper, etc. However, the > page she was talking about that "had type but no picture," was supposed to > be a page with type and no picture (does she not remember her own book?). > We tell her, "Yes, you are right, bring us back the other books, and we will > > reprint the ones that are defective." > > Here is the kicker: At this point, one week after she first said the books > were bad, she says she cannot bring them back to us because she has handed > them all out to the students and the students are gone. She wants us to > reprint the entire job. > One thing she had also complained about was that the color on the digital > version was different than the one on the press, even though the digital > proof was set to the MOZ profile (which Steve Mills helped us set up). The > books she brought back were certainly within the acceptable range. Anyway, > since she liked the digital color, we decided to print them on our Xerox 240 > > this time. The cover is a high contrast B&W, which we couldn't get black > enough on the 240, so we print it offset on our 3302 (we no longer have the > MOZ). Off we ship it to have it perfect bound. > > Last Friday (after I had already left for a short vacation), we get a call > from the person doing the perfect binding, and we don't have enough extra on > > the edge (Did I mention that every single page as a black box on it which > contains either the text or the photograph?). He's trying to explain this > to my CSR who doesn't have an idea what he is talking about, she's calling > me on my cell phone after I'm about an hour away, so I tell her to tell him > to have a nice weekend, and we'll deal with it on Monday. > > Yes, if we made a mistake, we should make it right. However, (and here is > my "What would you do" question). I've already lost money big time by > having to print it twice, now I may have to print it a third time. To cut > my losses from going any further, I am about to the point of calling the > woman and telling her that we can't seem to match the standards she has > received from us in the past (the "other" company had printed these books on > > the MOZ) and that we are going to have to let her keep the first books at no > > charge and find another printer. So what would you do? > > Thanks in advance, > > Susan Wells Compton > Compton Design & Printing Inc. > 109 South Jefferson Street > Lexington, VA 24450 > 540-463-9232 > 540-464-4329 Fax > Susan@cdandp.net > www.cdandp.net > > Susan Wells Compton > Compton Design & Printing Inc. > 109 South Jefferson Street > Lexington, VA 24450 > 540-463-9232 > 540-464-4329 Fax > Susan@cdandp.net > www.cdandp.net > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From communicar at aol.com Mon Jun 9 13:03:50 2008 From: communicar at aol.com (communicar@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 9 13:04:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do? (Long) In-Reply-To: <015801c8ca4e$4742a930$8302a8c0@Robbin> References: <015801c8ca4e$4742a930$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: <8CA9869EC642614-155C-150F@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com> The reprint should be to replace the bad books, not more product for additional students. If that is what she is doing (and if she can't get the original books back since they were distributed), I would give a discount (big) on the first batch, and a reorder price (discounted) for the 2nd batch. ?If she is able to return the original bad books later, you could agree to credit her if and when she returns any bad books (by a certain date). No returns, no credit.? Before you print/reprint anything, make sure you understand all the production requirements from the bindery house so they can deliver a quality product. The MOZ probably printed on oversized sheets, and you probably need to do so on the 3302 so the pages can be perfect bound.?On the quality issue, why not have her sign off an unbound book for print quality approval. If she has any quality issues, reprint just the bad pages.? If you know your press operator is inconsistent due to his personal issues, you better have someone QCing the rest of his work. The earlier you catch his mistakes, the less they cost you. If you can catch them all in-house, your customers never know you're having production issues. Good luck. Ken Azebu Communicart Graphics & Printing 499 Aldo Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408) 970-0922 (408) 970-8630 Fax -----Original Message----- From: Susan Compton To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 9:31 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] What would you do? (Long) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Thanks for the suggestions. Bob, yes we do have quality control issues. I never did four-color work in my other shop. The press operator here is used to doing his four-color work on the MOZ, from film and metal plates. We no longer have the MOZ, and we are doing all of our small- format plates on a Rip-It. We brought Steve Mills in and got everything set up right for the MOZ, but haven't done a fingerprint of the 3302 yet. Our four-color press operator was very good on the MOZ and is improving on the 3302, but he is going through a divorce and child custody issues and his work has been slipping. He's young (not even 30) and has plenty of natural ability (when he applies himself).? ? Yes, the client has been a flake every time, according to my production manager (who recently left to become a missionary), just not this much of one. Let's say that I probably would not have printed her book next year no matter what happened this year (this was my first year doing the job).? ? As far as long-term value, each department at this university does its own thing, so I can't really determine how much of a problem this would be. It is a very small university, but on the grow; they don't do a whole lot of printing now, but could very well in the future.? ? I thought, too, that she would hand them out in the fall, but she wants to hand them out to those students who are here for the summer session. She has already called once checking on them.? ? I really do want them to have a quality product. I really do want to create a quality product. The reason I am in turmoil is that, in my gut, I don't feel like "third time is the charm," although I don't really know why.? ? Susan Wells Compton? Compton Design & Printing Inc.? 109 South Jefferson Street? Lexington, VA 24450? 540-463-9232? 540-464-4329 Fax? Susan@cdandp.net? www.cdandp.net? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Molacek" ? To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" ? Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 12:11 PM? Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] What would you do? (Long)? ? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > Fix the problem. It sounds like you have a huge quality control issue. > The? > "other company" is now your company and she has every right to expect the? > same quality.? >? > Do you have history from when the last time this job was done? Did she? > complain?? >? > If the last time was a huge hassle I would "fire" her if not then I would? > fire someone in your shop. Either way someone should get fired.? >? > Bob Molacek? > Sir Speedy Printing? > 7793 Ranchers Road? > Fridley, MN 55432? > 763-571-4608? > bob@rjmprinting.com? >? >? > -----Original Message-----? > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org? > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Henry? > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 11:04 AM? > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'? > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] What would you do? (Long)? >? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > "telling her that we can't seem to match the standards she has? > received from us in the past (the "other" company had printed these books > on? >? > the MOZ) and that we are going to have to let her keep the first books at > no? >? > charge and find another printer"? >? > Exactly, word for word. Sometimes you just have to fire the client.? >? > Kathleen Henry? > Mitchell Printing & Mailing? > kathy@mpcny.com? >? >? > "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower."? > Steve Jobs? >? >? > 125 East First Street? > PO Box 815? > Oswego, NY 13126? > (315) 343-3531? > (315) 343-3577 (fax)? > (315) 532-0943 (cell)? >? >? >? >? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? > __________ NOD32 3168 (20080609) Information __________? >? > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.? > http://www.eset.com? >? > ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From communicar at aol.com Mon Jun 9 13:34:58 2008 From: communicar at aol.com (communicar@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 9 13:35:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo NOW Canon ImagePress 7000VP In-Reply-To: References: <353291C9D8AE44C78CE39BEC577C8D06@key.local> <48486BBB.8000809@newhavenprint.com> <200806061450.m56EoRf5010132@i2bnetworks.com> <83d5b9620806062110y6c1004c4v152c33fd63389abf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CA986E4559EC23-FF4-59@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com> Borzou and others who have the CP 7000VP, What did you end up paying for the Canon, and what are the click charges? Are you able to print stocks thicker than 300 gsm? Ken Azebu Communicart Graphics & Printing 499 Aldo Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408) 970-0922 (408) 970-8630 Fax -----Original Message----- From: Borzou Azabdaftari To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 10:50 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? I've won several customers by offering samples of their art that were much better than the ones they were using before. Both in large format and color copies. Its easy to say quality doesn't matter, but that's only until someone shows up with something better. The printers who used to service the accounts I've gotten probably think they're quality is good enough too. The quality of the Doc12 is actually excellent though, so I'm not as much talking to you, as making a general point. If your competitors start putting out better quality at the same price, or even a better price, its going to start to matter. Its always better to stay ahead of the curve here. Obviously you don't want to bite of more than you can chew, I'd love to have a iGen, but don't have the volume or physical space for it. But I think its always dangerous to assume you have a choke hold on your customers, and any facet you ignore, especially quality, is a great place for someone to swoop in and grab your customers.? ? Borzou Azabdaftari? Falcon Print and Copy? 1921 Gallows Road? Suite 150? Vienna, VA 22182? t.703.442.0124? f.703.442.0134? borzou@falconprintandcopy.com? ? On Jun 7, 2008, at 12:10 AM, Jeff Daghir wrote:? ? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > I'm with Scott on this one - the vast majority of my customers? > couldn't care less if their jobs are produced on a HeidelroX ImageGen? > PhotonMaster 10,000XXL or by a room full of monkeys with crayons.? > Granted the image quality of the new Canon is fantastic. But for the? > most part with my customers once the quality gets to the point of? > "acceptable" there is no additional perceived value in anything better? > than that. Essentially all of my customers were/are perfectly? > satisfied by the image quality of my 6 year old Doc 12. There probably? > are markets and customers that demand more than that but I don't sell? > to them. So while I am personally very interested in the Canons from a? > business standpoint the only pertinent questions are what do they cost? > and how productive are they? Sellable image quality from the current? > generation of production boxes from Konica-Minolta, Xerox, Canon or HP? > is a given in my mind.? >? > As always your mileage may vary.? >? > --> Jeff Daghir? > MPS Printing, Inc.? > "The Ink & Paper People"? > Madison, IN? > www.mpsprinting.com? > jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com? >? >? >? >? > Scott said:? >> Uh guys, one thing to remember here. Machines don't make clients >> happy and? >> satisfied....you do.? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? ? ? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From sos at olympus.net Mon Jun 9 13:36:07 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Jun 9 13:38:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 2008-2009 Operating Ratio Study References: <41aa6a080806061817x786028e0hb8c6c3937603c978@mail.gmail.com> <005801c8ca4c$c3c063f0$800101df@eprint.local> Message-ID: <0e8201c8ca57$4ca02bb0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > I agree. Usually I get the report read it a little and it takes a week to > digest. I received my study Last Thursday and spent the whole afternoon > looking it over comparing my numbers and formulating my plan to fix a few > things that stick out. > WOW SURE GLAD I PARTICIPOATED ========================= Ditto from me as well. Really makes it easy to compare your numbers with the many scenarios presented. And as Brian mentioned, a couple numbers really jump out at me as well and we'll be trying to fix them soon. There's always something. . . Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com Mon Jun 9 13:49:18 2008 From: goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com (Goodway Print and Copy) Date: Mon Jun 9 13:49:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] click charge on doc 12? Message-ID: <009801c8ca59$24675130$660000c8@LeslieXP> What is the latest click charge for color and bw.? I just got my renewal. 57.87. base monthly charge and .103 for color and .0149 for bw. Leslie McDonald GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. 15121 Ventura Blvd. Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Phone:(818) 783-5172 Fax:(818)783-8649 goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com www.goodwayprintcopy.com From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Mon Jun 9 13:59:10 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Mon Jun 9 13:59:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo NOW Canon ImagePress 7000VP In-Reply-To: <8CA986E4559EC23-FF4-59@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I didn't mean to give that impression, I still have the 6060, but am considering the move to the Canon. Regards, Borzou www.falconprintandcopy.com t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 > From: > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:34:58 -0400 > To: > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo NOW Canon ImagePress 7000VP > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Borzou and others who have the CP 7000VP, > > > > What did you end up paying for the Canon, and what are the click charges? > > Are you able to print stocks thicker than 300 gsm? > > > Ken Azebu > Communicart Graphics & Printing > 499 Aldo Avenue > Santa Clara, CA 95054 > (408) 970-0922 > (408) 970-8630 Fax > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Borzou Azabdaftari > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Sent: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 10:50 am > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] iGen3 vs. HP Indigo > > > > > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? > ? > > I've won several customers by offering samples of their art that were much > better than the ones they were using before. Both in large format and color > copies. Its easy to say quality doesn't matter, but that's only until someone > shows up with something better. The printers who used to service the accounts > I've gotten probably think they're quality is good enough too. The quality of > the Doc12 is actually excellent though, so I'm not as much talking to you, as > making a general point. If your competitors start putting out better quality > at the same price, or even a better price, its going to start to matter. Its > always better to stay ahead of the curve here. Obviously you don't want to > bite of more than you can chew, I'd love to have a iGen, but don't have the > volume or physical space for it. But I think its always dangerous to assume > you have a choke hold on your customers, and any facet you ignore, especially > quality, is a great place for someone to swoop in and grab your customers.? > ? > > Borzou Azabdaftari? > > Falcon Print and Copy? > > 1921 Gallows Road? > > Suite 150? > > Vienna, VA 22182? > > t.703.442.0124? > > f.703.442.0134? > > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com? > ? > > On Jun 7, 2008, at 12:10 AM, Jeff Daghir wrote:? > ? > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? > >> ? > >> I'm with Scott on this one - the vast majority of my customers? > >> couldn't care less if their jobs are produced on a HeidelroX ImageGen? > >> PhotonMaster 10,000XXL or by a room full of monkeys with crayons.? > >> Granted the image quality of the new Canon is fantastic. But for the? > >> most part with my customers once the quality gets to the point of? > >> "acceptable" there is no additional perceived value in anything better? > >> than that. Essentially all of my customers were/are perfectly? > >> satisfied by the image quality of my 6 year old Doc 12. There probably? > >> are markets and customers that demand more than that but I don't sell? > >> to them. So while I am personally very interested in the Canons from a? > >> business standpoint the only pertinent questions are what do they cost? > >> and how productive are they? Sellable image quality from the current? > >> generation of production boxes from Konica-Minolta, Xerox, Canon or HP? > >> is a given in my mind.? > >> ? > >> As always your mileage may vary.? > >> ? > >> --> Jeff Daghir? > >> MPS Printing, Inc.? > >> "The Ink & Paper People"? > >> Madison, IN? > >> www.mpsprinting.com? > >> jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com? > >> ? > >> ? > >> ? > >> ? > >> Scott said:? > >>> Uh guys, one thing to remember here. Machines don't make clients >> happy >>> and? > >>> satisfied....you do.? > >> _______________________________________________? > >> PrintOwners Discussion List? > >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? > >> ? > >> ? > ? > > ? > > ? > > _______________________________________________? > > PrintOwners Discussion List? > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? > ? > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Jun 9 14:01:03 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Jun 9 14:01:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hypothetical [WAS Drupa - why you should pay attention.] Message-ID: <98f5b19a0806091101q6ff62fa9qc0f5914cc7fdc52b@mail.gmail.com> If you were planning to change your current company's name to NextGen..., would it be NextGen Printing, or NextGen Graphics, or NextGen Imaging, or NextGen Communications, or what? What would convey the present and remain viable for the foreseeable future (assuming printing *has* a foreseeable future). -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From dvmonto at optonline.net Mon Jun 9 14:01:39 2008 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Mon Jun 9 14:12:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 2008-2009 Operating Ratio Study In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What is nice is having your information in the report! Excellent! -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong. - -- Abraham Lincoln From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Mon Jun 9 14:13:38 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Mon Jun 9 14:13:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Old age meets new tech. Message-ID: We are getting more and more customers (who have been with us decades) and they are getting, ummmmmm...... forgetful. I'm guessing others here are, too. It's almost funny, except I'm personally in the same group. We have customers coming in to pick up jobs they didn't order...... each week. And they make duplicate orders, even though we insist they just ordered the same item 2 weeks ago..... We had a customer change their logo to foil, but never gave us the order. On a courtesy call, the buyer thought she had been emailed to us. Nope. It was 'only' 50K LH and ENV. Jeesshh. Today, an older doctor told us that 2 runs of 5M brochures 4/4 were done wrong. We printed them in Dec 2007 and Feb of this year. Point is, we get much of our work via the net, and our 'net operator' has a fantastic filing system which covers our butts. We didn't print the jobs wrong for the doc. We were able to show her the emails and attachments she sent us. And her written instructions. While she insisted on a proof in her complaint today, her email clearly says 'no need to send a proof, it's ready to print'. Old age meets new tech. Our online filing system goes back several years, and it supports our job history in printsmith. It has been very helpful, we use it frequently each week. We gotta keep an eye out for these old folks! They don't have a clue what's going on........ (kidding) Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 85711 www.theshackbook.com The book that really opened my eyes. From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Mon Jun 9 14:15:38 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Mon Jun 9 14:16:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] click charge on doc 12? In-Reply-To: <009801c8ca59$24675130$660000c8@LeslieXP> References: <009801c8ca59$24675130$660000c8@LeslieXP> Message-ID: I've got a CPP500 and am paying .05 for color and .015 for B&W. Monthly base is just paying for a minimum of 2,000 color clicks/month ($100). Pay minimum first 2 months of quarter and then pay for actual copies made during the quarter the third month. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Goodway Print and Copy Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 12:49 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] click charge on doc 12? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** What is the latest click charge for color and bw.? I just got my renewal. 57.87. base monthly charge and .103 for color and .0149 for bw. Leslie McDonald GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. 15121 Ventura Blvd. Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Phone:(818) 783-5172 Fax:(818)783-8649 goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com www.goodwayprintcopy.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From copythatnyc at aol.com Mon Jun 9 14:29:20 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Mon Jun 9 14:29:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] click charge on doc 12? In-Reply-To: References: <009801c8ca59$24675130$660000c8@LeslieXP> Message-ID: <8CA9875DDFEABFF-173C-14BC@WEBMAIL-DC18.sysops.aol.com> Doc 250 0.089 color .012 b/w Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Lake To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 2:15 pm Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] click charge on doc 12? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I've got a CPP500 and am paying .05 for color and .015 for B&W. Monthly base is just paying for a minimum of 2,000 color clicks/month ($100). Pay minimum first 2 months of quarter and then pay for actual copies made during the quarter the third month. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Goodway Print and Copy Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 12:49 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] click charge on doc 12? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** What is the latest click charge for color and bw.? I just got my renewal. 57.87. base monthly charge and .103 for color and .0149 for bw. Leslie McDonald GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. 15121 Ventura Blvd. Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Phone:(818) 783-5172 Fax:(818)783-8649 goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com www.goodwayprintcopy.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Mon Jun 9 14:30:23 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Jun 9 14:32:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hypothetical [WAS Drupa - why you should payattention.] References: <98f5b19a0806091101q6ff62fa9qc0f5914cc7fdc52b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0e9f01c8ca5e$e16af980$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > If you were planning to change your current company's name to NextGen..., > would it be NextGen Printing, or NextGen Graphics, or NextGen Imaging, or > NextGen Communications, or what? ====================== I would suggest some thing short and snappy and generic. Like Kinko's. It's not Kinko's Copies or Kinko's Printing, or anything limiting. Of course it's not even Kinko's anymore, it's FedEx Office. But, still the principle applies. It's not General Motors Cars & Trucks. It's just GM. It's not Apple Computers. It's just Apple. Their transition to mainly Ipods didn't require a name change. So just, NexGen. You can always add a tag ling to advertising and promotional materials. But the name should always be the same simple, generic name. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Jun 9 14:59:43 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Jun 9 14:59:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hypothetical [WAS Drupa - why you should payattention.] In-Reply-To: <0e9f01c8ca5e$e16af980$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <98f5b19a0806091101q6ff62fa9qc0f5914cc7fdc52b@mail.gmail.com> <0e9f01c8ca5e$e16af980$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0806091159p21d1e898w6b23336cebd24892@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > > So just, NexGen. > > You can always add a tag ling to advertising and promotional materials. > But the name should always be the same simple, generic name. Good points. But the question was more theoretical -- more about whether any definition of the products/services we provide today will still be applicable in, say, 10 or 15 years. (Given the paradigm changes of the last 15 years in the ways we communicate, it seems silly to try to think any further out than that). -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From char at themasterspress.com Mon Jun 9 15:00:01 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Mon Jun 9 15:00:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hypothetical [WAS Drupa - why you should payattention.] In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0806091101q6ff62fa9qc0f5914cc7fdc52b@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0806091101q6ff62fa9qc0f5914cc7fdc52b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <010401c8ca63$0e475cb0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> I like NextGen Communications. You will always be in the communications business, as long as you are doing some sort of printing. Then again someone can always get that mixed up with phones, computers. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 1:01 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Hypothetical [WAS Drupa - why you should payattention.] ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** If you were planning to change your current company's name to NextGen..., would it be NextGen Printing, or NextGen Graphics, or NextGen Imaging, or NextGen Communications, or what? What would convey the present and remain viable for the foreseeable future (assuming printing *has* a foreseeable future). -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3169 (20080609) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3169 (20080609) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3169 (20080609) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From peter at keystonepress.com Mon Jun 9 15:08:00 2008 From: peter at keystonepress.com (Peter Church) Date: Mon Jun 9 15:09:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] what is the best CRM package? Message-ID: I am going to be doing a lot of marketing and sales effort around my new digital printing capabilities and I am looking into a CRM, Customer Relationship Management, software application. I use to use ACT many years ago, with some success. Now, many of these applications are web based and hosted by a third party company. I want to be able to track the marketing programs and track the activites of the salespeople. Does anyone use a CRM application that they can recommend to me? Thanks, Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Jun 9 15:16:59 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Jun 9 15:17:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] UPC Acquisition Message-ID: <98f5b19a0806091216j5dba6f34sb5bbcbe376b6e64d@mail.gmail.com> I have a customer asking if I know anything about UPC acquisition. Rather than just directing her here (http://tinyurl.com/5qcy8x), which I found thru a Google search, I'd like to be able to offer a bit more guidance. Can anyone provide a brief tutorial on UPCs and their acquisition? TIA -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Jun 9 15:26:03 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Jun 9 15:26:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] what is the best CRM package? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0806091226w6e145489xa56d4e42bc2be8dd@mail.gmail.com> FWIW, this showed up in a Google/Gmail ad above your post: http://tinyurl.com/6h9atd, though this group's experience will no doubt be a better guide. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Peter Church wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am going to be doing a lot of marketing and sales effort around my new > digital printing capabilities and I am looking into a CRM, Customer > Relationship Management, software application. I use to use ACT many years > ago, with some success. Now, many of these applications are web based and > hosted by a third party company. > > I want to be able to track the marketing programs and track the activites of > the salespeople. > > Does anyone use a CRM application that they can recommend to me? > > Thanks, > > Peter Church > Keystone Press, LLC > 9 Old Falls Road > Manchester, NH 03103 > phone: 603-622-5222 > fax: 603-622-9432 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From sos at olympus.net Mon Jun 9 15:26:32 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Jun 9 15:28:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hypothetical [WAS Drupa - why you shouldpayattention.] References: <98f5b19a0806091101q6ff62fa9qc0f5914cc7fdc52b@mail.gmail.com><0e9f01c8ca5e$e16af980$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <98f5b19a0806091159p21d1e898w6b23336cebd24892@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0ebe01c8ca66$b9b8cc70$6900a8c0@DANIEL> the question was more theoretical -- more about > whether any definition of the products/services we provide today will > still be applicable in, say, 10 or 15 years. ======================= I'm not encouraging my children to even think about printing as a future career. I do think printing, traditional lithographic printing will still be with us in 20 years. But who knows. I'll be retired one way or the other by then. Captain Picard was still reading books on Star Trek, and we all know what an accurate predictor of the future that series was. So I'd go with Communications. Imaging is still printing. Graphics, no one knows quite what that means. Communications can be anything, reading, writing, pictures, movies, direct brain implants, anything. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon Jun 9 15:44:12 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Mon Jun 9 15:44:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hypothetical [WAS Drupa - why you should payattention.] In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0806091101q6ff62fa9qc0f5914cc7fdc52b@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0806091101q6ff62fa9qc0f5914cc7fdc52b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <011e01c8ca69$31746e70$6401a8c0@coranew> Michael, just a thought....what about NexGen Solutions with a tag line under it about printing or what ever???? Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon Jun 9 15:52:55 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon Jun 9 15:53:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] what is the best CRM package? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200806091953.m59JrSeT074281@i2bnetworks.com> Uh huh. Big time. http://tinyurl.com/6xps2r My strongly held belief is that CRM data is yours, it belongs to you, and it should sit on your servers in the house. Not on some third party web based system that could one day disappear taking all of your data with it into the Ether... JMO S. At 12:08 PM 6/9/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I am going to be doing a lot of marketing and sales effort around my new >digital printing capabilities and I am looking into a CRM, Customer >Relationship Management, software application. I use to use ACT many years >ago, with some success. Now, many of these applications are web based and >hosted by a third party company. > >I want to be able to track the marketing programs and track the activites of >the salespeople. > >Does anyone use a CRM application that they can recommend to me? > >Thanks, > >Peter Church >Keystone Press, LLC >9 Old Falls Road >Manchester, NH 03103 >phone: 603-622-5222 >fax: 603-622-9432 >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3169 (20080609) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From list at interiorgraphics.com Mon Jun 9 15:53:26 2008 From: list at interiorgraphics.com (Michelle at Interior Graphics) Date: Mon Jun 9 15:54:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 70# Topkote C2S thru C500 - melting? Message-ID: <6E36D5D8-6866-416C-BE38-1B01C79BD70C@interiorgraphics.com> Hi - Just wanted to check and see if anyone had any tips for running 70# C2S gloss text through the C500. We've printed one side (slowly) and let it cool in between sheets, but now on the second side it's jamming in the thermal unit and melting/burning the paper together. We've got a call in to the tech but wanted to see if anyone has had this happen before. Thank you! Michelle ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michelle Maynor "Your Personal Printer" Interior Graphics & Printing 770 8th Avenue Fairbanks, AK 99701 907.456.4982 phone 907.452.6992 fax "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the most." - John Ruskin From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Jun 9 16:06:01 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Jun 9 16:06:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hypothetical [WAS Drupa - why you should payattention.] In-Reply-To: <011e01c8ca69$31746e70$6401a8c0@coranew> References: <98f5b19a0806091101q6ff62fa9qc0f5914cc7fdc52b@mail.gmail.com> <011e01c8ca69$31746e70$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0806091306o5b05a192i957be3cc00265d22@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Cora wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Michael, just a thought....what about NexGen Solutions with a tag line under > it about printing or what ever???? I've mentioned before that my list of all-time best business names contains two entries: (1) Takee Outee (a former? chain in New Orleans) and (2) Come and Go Bedroom and Bath Shop I guess our industry has gone beyond our ability to similarly communicate what we sell without a lot of other verbiage. "Communications" could be okay, but for its ambiguity. "Solutions," in my view, needs a descriptor in front of it, or it's just a generic business buzzword that could mean anything. I find it interesting that we've come to perceive what we all do in such tentative terms. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From char at themasterspress.com Mon Jun 9 16:23:19 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Mon Jun 9 16:23:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 70# Topkote C2S thru C500 - melting? In-Reply-To: <6E36D5D8-6866-416C-BE38-1B01C79BD70C@interiorgraphics.com> References: <6E36D5D8-6866-416C-BE38-1B01C79BD70C@interiorgraphics.com> Message-ID: <015001c8ca6e$a8573540$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Why are you not duplexing it. Would it not duplex. Unless it is on heavy cover we duplex, especially on the lighter weight papers. Takes it and turns right then. I know that doesn't help on this job. Sounds like the machine (thermal unit) is running too hot. Paper sticking to it as it runs through. It might take a service call. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michelle at Interior Graphics Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 2:53 PM To: Printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] 70# Topkote C2S thru C500 - melting? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hi - Just wanted to check and see if anyone had any tips for running 70# C2S gloss text through the C500. We've printed one side (slowly) and let it cool in between sheets, but now on the second side it's jamming in the thermal unit and melting/burning the paper together. We've got a call in to the tech but wanted to see if anyone has had this happen before. Thank you! Michelle ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michelle Maynor "Your Personal Printer" Interior Graphics & Printing 770 8th Avenue Fairbanks, AK 99701 907.456.4982 phone 907.452.6992 fax "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the most." - John Ruskin _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3169 (20080609) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3169 (20080609) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From John at mpcny.com Mon Jun 9 16:29:17 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Mon Jun 9 16:29:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: what is the best CRM package? In-Reply-To: <20080609195335.F2F8FF7B43C@rb.enter.net> References: <20080609195335.F2F8FF7B43C@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <005d01c8ca6f$7e1030b0$7a309210$@com> I agree with S just not about the program Goldmine is better than Act! alone by far. But take a look at ACT! 10 + look at the Activator Sales Productivity Management system. They have a printing module designed just for us. I am going to order this for our merger. >From the website: "Activator automates your time-consuming marketing, sales, and crm follow-up. Giving you a competitive selling advantage, freeing your time and making you the go-to-choice when prospects and customers are ready to purchase." http://www.mastermindsoftware.com/ it costs from $1,249 to over $2000 Bottom line you want to own it on your servers and you want to automate it! John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com From list at interiorgraphics.com Mon Jun 9 16:39:27 2008 From: list at interiorgraphics.com (Michelle at Interior Graphics) Date: Mon Jun 9 16:39:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 70# Topkote C2S thru C500 - melting? In-Reply-To: <015001c8ca6e$a8573540$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <6E36D5D8-6866-416C-BE38-1B01C79BD70C@interiorgraphics.com> <015001c8ca6e$a8573540$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: Thanks Charlene - we've got a call in. I'd love to duplex it, collate, fold and staple, but it's not doing it. Our 450 worked perfectly, so jumping up to the 500 seemed like a great idea, but we've had lots of problems with this particular machine. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michelle Maynor "Your Personal Printer" Interior Graphics & Printing 770 8th Avenue Fairbanks, AK 99701 907.456.4982 phone 907.452.6992 fax "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the most." - John Ruskin On Jun 9, 2008, at 12:23 PM, Charlene Sims wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Why are you not duplexing it. Would it not duplex. Unless it is > on heavy > cover we duplex, especially on the lighter weight papers. Takes it > and > turns right then. I know that doesn't help on this job. Sounds > like the > machine (thermal unit) is running too hot. Paper sticking to it as > it runs > through. It might take a service call. > ch > > Charlene Sims > President > The Master's Press, Inc. > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > www.TheMastersPress.com > char@themasterspress.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michelle at > Interior > Graphics > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 2:53 PM > To: Printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] 70# Topkote C2S thru C500 - melting? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi - > > Just wanted to check and see if anyone had any tips for running 70# > C2S gloss text through the C500. We've printed one side (slowly) and > let it cool in between sheets, but now on the second side it's > jamming in the thermal unit and melting/burning the paper together. > We've got a call in to the tech but wanted to see if anyone has had > this happen before. > > Thank you! > > Michelle > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Michelle Maynor > "Your Personal Printer" > Interior Graphics & Printing > 770 8th Avenue > Fairbanks, AK 99701 > 907.456.4982 phone > 907.452.6992 fax > > "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the > most." - John Ruskin > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 3169 (20080609) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 3169 (20080609) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From cahill at bizprint.com Mon Jun 9 16:42:19 2008 From: cahill at bizprint.com (Cahill@bizprint.com) Date: Mon Jun 9 16:42:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] what is the best CRM package? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Peter I too use to use ACT until they quit supporting it for the Mac. We tried Entourage for a while but it is not CRM software. We started using Daylite by Market Circle a few weeks ago. My salespeople are still trying to learn it. If you are using macs this is about the only choice. I looked at SalesForce.com. It is a web based program but I didn't like the cost. Too expensive and you pay every year. If you are using a PC I would go back to ACT. I really liked and and wish they would support the apple platform. -- Cahill Jones BizPrint Boise, Idaho > From: Peter Church > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 15:08:00 -0400 > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: [PrintOwners] what is the best CRM package? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am going to be doing a lot of marketing and sales effort around my new > digital printing capabilities and I am looking into a CRM, Customer > Relationship Management, software application. I use to use ACT many years > ago, with some success. Now, many of these applications are web based and > hosted by a third party company. > > I want to be able to track the marketing programs and track the activites of > the salespeople. > > Does anyone use a CRM application that they can recommend to me? > > Thanks, > > Peter Church > Keystone Press, LLC > 9 Old Falls Road > Manchester, NH 03103 > phone: 603-622-5222 > fax: 603-622-9432 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Mon Jun 9 16:53:37 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Mon Jun 9 16:53:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Matte varnish In-Reply-To: <4873FFE2.3070603@werkheiser.com> Message-ID: I have a client that wants a spot varnish on a 4/4 job printed on 80# classic linen cover. Its been brought to my attention that this is an awful idea, and won't create nearly the same effect (if any) that it does on a coated sheet. I'm looking to: a. confirm this; b. see if there's another varnish that could help; c. see if there's another solution I can offer my client when I poopoo this idea. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon Jun 9 16:57:08 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon Jun 9 16:57:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Matte varnish In-Reply-To: References: <4873FFE2.3070603@werkheiser.com> Message-ID: <200806092057.m59Kvfmd089445@i2bnetworks.com> Any kind of varnish or aqueous will be invisible to the eye and will have no gloss/matte effect. Only good for sealing the surface to prevent scuffing or rub off (solids on uncoated are notorious for this). If they want a gloss effect, a clear foil stamp is the only thing I can think of. S. At 01:53 PM 6/9/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I have a client that wants a spot varnish on a 4/4 job printed on 80# >classic linen cover. Its been brought to my attention that this is an awful >idea, and won't create nearly the same effect (if any) that it does on a >coated sheet. I'm looking to: a. confirm this; b. see if there's another >varnish that could help; c. see if there's another solution I can offer my >client when I poopoo this idea. > > > >Borzou Azabdaftari >Falcon Print and Copy >1921 Gallows Road >Suite 150 >Vienna, VA 22182 >t.703.442.0124 >f.703.442.0134 >borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3169 (20080609) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From chris at mmgraphicsandmail.com Mon Jun 9 16:59:03 2008 From: chris at mmgraphicsandmail.com (Chris Cochran) Date: Mon Jun 9 16:59:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Matte varnish In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c8ca73$a6ef75a0$2e01a8c0@ChrisCochran> Borzou, In my 30+ years I haven't seen a varnish that will make a noticeable change to uncoated stocks. I'll be interested to see if anyone has found such an animal. Chris Cochran M & M Graphics, Inc. "Our work makes you look better" Tel:704-376-0938 www.mmgraphicsandmail.com Print** Design** Mailing** Copy Services Promotional Items - at great prices. Take a look at our Promotional Items Catalog on the left side of our website. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 4:54 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Matte varnish ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a client that wants a spot varnish on a 4/4 job printed on 80# classic linen cover. Its been brought to my attention that this is an awful idea, and won't create nearly the same effect (if any) that it does on a coated sheet. I'm looking to: a. confirm this; b. see if there's another varnish that could help; c. see if there's another solution I can offer my client when I poopoo this idea. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From char at themasterspress.com Mon Jun 9 17:03:38 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Mon Jun 9 17:03:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 70# Topkote C2S thru C500 - melting? In-Reply-To: References: <6E36D5D8-6866-416C-BE38-1B01C79BD70C@interiorgraphics.com><015001c8ca6e$a8573540$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <015c01c8ca74$4b4b6af0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Another question you might be asked. Is it digital paper. We had in the beginning run some different coated stock that was not digital and it just could not stand the heat. Plus it also double sheeted a whole lot. Once we changed to digital paper we did not have that problem. But we also don't run a lot of 70#. Just too thin. I don't like it because of that. Also seems to wave a lot. Especially non digital paper. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michelle at Interior Graphics Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 3:39 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 70# Topkote C2S thru C500 - melting? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thanks Charlene - we've got a call in. I'd love to duplex it, collate, fold and staple, but it's not doing it. Our 450 worked perfectly, so jumping up to the 500 seemed like a great idea, but we've had lots of problems with this particular machine. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michelle Maynor "Your Personal Printer" Interior Graphics & Printing 770 8th Avenue Fairbanks, AK 99701 907.456.4982 phone 907.452.6992 fax "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the most." - John Ruskin On Jun 9, 2008, at 12:23 PM, Charlene Sims wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Why are you not duplexing it. Would it not duplex. Unless it is > on heavy > cover we duplex, especially on the lighter weight papers. Takes it > and > turns right then. I know that doesn't help on this job. Sounds > like the > machine (thermal unit) is running too hot. Paper sticking to it as > it runs > through. It might take a service call. > ch > > Charlene Sims > President > The Master's Press, Inc. > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > www.TheMastersPress.com > char@themasterspress.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michelle at > Interior > Graphics > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 2:53 PM > To: Printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] 70# Topkote C2S thru C500 - melting? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi - > > Just wanted to check and see if anyone had any tips for running 70# > C2S gloss text through the C500. We've printed one side (slowly) and > let it cool in between sheets, but now on the second side it's > jamming in the thermal unit and melting/burning the paper together. > We've got a call in to the tech but wanted to see if anyone has had > this happen before. > > Thank you! > > Michelle > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Michelle Maynor > "Your Personal Printer" > Interior Graphics & Printing > 770 8th Avenue > Fairbanks, AK 99701 > 907.456.4982 phone > 907.452.6992 fax > > "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the > most." - John Ruskin > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 3169 (20080609) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 3169 (20080609) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3169 (20080609) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3169 (20080609) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From communicar at aol.com Mon Jun 9 17:05:33 2008 From: communicar at aol.com (communicar@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 9 17:05:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Matte varnish In-Reply-To: <000601c8ca73$a6ef75a0$2e01a8c0@ChrisCochran> Message-ID: <8CA988BB0FE32D0-DFC-6A3@FWM-M40.sysops.aol.com> If the client is specifying a Matte varnish, it might be just to protect against ink smudges when sheets rub against each other. Ken Azebu Communicart Graphics & Printing 499 Aldo Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408) 970-0922 (408) 970-8630 Fax -----Original Message----- From: Chris Cochran To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 1:59 pm Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Matte varnish ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Borzou, In my 30+ years I haven't seen a varnish that will make a noticeable change to uncoated stocks. I'll be interested to see if anyone has found such an animal. Chris Cochran M & M Graphics, Inc. "Our work makes you look better" Tel:704-376-0938 www.mmgraphicsandmail.com Print** Design** Mailing** Copy Services Promotional Items - at great prices. Take a look at our Promotional Items Catalog on the left side of our website. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 4:54 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Matte varnish ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a client that wants a spot varnish on a 4/4 job printed on 80# classic linen cover. Its been brought to my attention that this is an awful idea, and won't create nearly the same effect (if any) that it does on a coated sheet. I'm looking to: a. confirm this; b. see if there's another varnish that could help; c. see if there's another solution I can offer my client when I poopoo this idea. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kellycrom at gmail.com Mon Jun 9 17:06:40 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Mon Jun 9 17:13:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Matte varnish In-Reply-To: <200806092057.m59Kvfmd089445@i2bnetworks.com> References: <4873FFE2.3070603@werkheiser.com> <200806092057.m59Kvfmd089445@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <007101c8ca74$baca5b20$6d01a8c0@KELLY> I think a spot UV would be your best option. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 3:57 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Matte varnish > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Any kind of varnish or aqueous will be invisible to the eye and will > have no gloss/matte effect. Only good for sealing the surface to > prevent scuffing or rub off (solids on uncoated are notorious > for this). > > If they want a gloss effect, a clear foil stamp is the only thing I > can think of. > > S. > > > > > At 01:53 PM 6/9/2008, you wrote: > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >I have a client that wants a spot varnish on a 4/4 job printed on 80# > >classic linen cover. Its been brought to my attention that > this is an awful > >idea, and won't create nearly the same effect (if any) that > it does on a > >coated sheet. I'm looking to: a. confirm this; b. see if > there's another > >varnish that could help; c. see if there's another solution > I can offer my > >client when I poopoo this idea. > > > > > > > >Borzou Azabdaftari > >Falcon Print and Copy > >1921 Gallows Road > >Suite 150 > >Vienna, VA 22182 > >t.703.442.0124 > >f.703.442.0134 > >borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >__________ NOD32 3169 (20080609) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.eset.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Mon Jun 9 17:21:20 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Mon Jun 9 17:21:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Matte varnish In-Reply-To: <007101c8ca74$baca5b20$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: Thanks for the help everyone. I can deliver the message with confidence now. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 16:06:40 -0500 > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Matte varnish > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I think a spot UV would be your best option. > > Kelly Crom > Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 > Plymouth, MN 55441 > (763)231-6970 > kellycrom@gmail.com > www.applied-graphics.com > > p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's > Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel >> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 3:57 PM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Matte varnish >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> Any kind of varnish or aqueous will be invisible to the eye and will >> have no gloss/matte effect. Only good for sealing the surface to >> prevent scuffing or rub off (solids on uncoated are notorious >> for this). >> >> If they want a gloss effect, a clear foil stamp is the only thing I >> can think of. >> >> S. >> >> >> >> >> At 01:53 PM 6/9/2008, you wrote: >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> I have a client that wants a spot varnish on a 4/4 job printed on 80# >>> classic linen cover. Its been brought to my attention that >> this is an awful >>> idea, and won't create nearly the same effect (if any) that >> it does on a >>> coated sheet. I'm looking to: a. confirm this; b. see if >> there's another >>> varnish that could help; c. see if there's another solution >> I can offer my >>> client when I poopoo this idea. >>> >>> >>> >>> Borzou Azabdaftari >>> Falcon Print and Copy >>> 1921 Gallows Road >>> Suite 150 >>> Vienna, VA 22182 >>> t.703.442.0124 >>> f.703.442.0134 >>> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> __________ NOD32 3169 (20080609) Information __________ >>> >>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>> http://www.eset.com >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Scott Cappel >> >> Sorrento Mesa Printing >> 7398 Trade Street >> San Diego, CA 92121-2422 >> 858-527-0800 >> 858-527-1740 FAX >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com >> >> LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa >> >> Direct Links for Learning: >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html >> >> Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider >> Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider >> Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level >> Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider >> >> Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From brianoday at eprint.us Mon Jun 9 18:03:12 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Mon Jun 9 18:06:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hypothetical [WAS Drupa - why you shouldpayattention.] In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0806091306o5b05a192i957be3cc00265d22@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0806091101q6ff62fa9qc0f5914cc7fdc52b@mail.gmail.com><011e01c8ca69$31746e70$6401a8c0@coranew> <98f5b19a0806091306o5b05a192i957be3cc00265d22@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001501c8ca7c$9c585810$800101df@eprint.local> I vote for printing. With the nextgen you are indicating the next generation and most of us still deliver lots of sheets of something. The new cannon is the nextpress they weren't worried about print not being a product because that is what the machine does. We sell PRINT as well as design, copies,............ Hope you are changing to an Independent I sure love my new freedom and the extra 5% Brian O'Day ePRINT 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland Oregon 97223 (503)684-267 Brianoday@eprint.us www.eprint.us -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 1:06 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Hypothetical [WAS Drupa - why you shouldpayattention.] ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Cora wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Michael, just a thought....what about NexGen Solutions with a tag line under > it about printing or what ever???? I've mentioned before that my list of all-time best business names contains two entries: (1) Takee Outee (a former? chain in New Orleans) and (2) Come and Go Bedroom and Bath Shop I guess our industry has gone beyond our ability to similarly communicate what we sell without a lot of other verbiage. "Communications" could be okay, but for its ambiguity. "Solutions," in my view, needs a descriptor in front of it, or it's just a generic business buzzword that could mean anything. I find it interesting that we've come to perceive what we all do in such tentative terms. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From char at themasterspress.com Mon Jun 9 18:29:34 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Mon Jun 9 18:29:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 2008-2009 Operating Ratio Study In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01a301c8ca80$4b837470$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Oh my this is great. What a treat to have your information right next to each category and see how you fit into this market. Invaluable tool. I absolutely love it. The best one yet. Thank you John and NAQP for doing this. It truly is a great benefit of membership of NAQP. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3169 (20080609) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com Mon Jun 9 18:42:38 2008 From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat) Date: Mon Jun 9 18:42:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Matte varnish In-Reply-To: References: <4873FFE2.3070603@werkheiser.com> Message-ID: We run varnish on 80% of our solid jobs on uncoated paper business cards. You would not notice the difference. It helps in the cutting and you don't get that horrible offset you get on business cards are kept in a wallet. Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 4:54 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Matte varnish ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a client that wants a spot varnish on a 4/4 job printed on 80# classic linen cover. Its been brought to my attention that this is an awful idea, and won't create nearly the same effect (if any) that it does on a coated sheet. I'm looking to: a. confirm this; b. see if there's another varnish that could help; c. see if there's another solution I can offer my client when I poopoo this idea. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From StevePrint at aol.com Mon Jun 9 20:34:25 2008 From: StevePrint at aol.com (StevePrint@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 9 20:34:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vendor for Pens Message-ID: Looking for a Pen Manufacturer. Gifts for Medical Professionals. Retail price $5-$7. Suggestions of dependable vendors you have used appreciated. Thanks, Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing _www.iorderprinting.com_ (http://www.iorderprinting.com) **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Tue Jun 10 03:59:40 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Tue Jun 10 04:00:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Spot UV on non-coated recent eperience Message-ID: We recently did this on C. Crest 100lb.. Ad agency demanded it. The color printing looked great, but the clear foil we put on accentuated the texture of the Crest...which isn't usually noticeable. I can imagine it would be much more noticeable on Linen. It looked awful. BTW, we DID spot varnish a few pieces for the agency just to show them how (crappy) it would look. The agency panicked, and insisted on clear foil. Customer hated it. Agency got fired. LT DPP TUCSON I have a client that wants a spot varnish on a 4/4 job printed on 80# classic linen cover. Its been brought to my attention that this is an awful idea, and won't create nearly the same effect (if any) that it does on a coated sheet. I'm looking to: a. confirm this; b. see if there's another varnish that could help; c. see if there's another solution I can offer my client when I poopoo this idea. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 From bherion at bucksdigital.com Tue Jun 10 07:04:17 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Tue Jun 10 07:04:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Matte varnish Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080610070414.03366780@bucksdigital.com> At 06:06 PM 6/9/2008, you wrote: >I think a spot UV would be your best option. In an experiment, I tried satin UV on 80# Classic linen cover. Due to the absorbancy of uncoated stock, it took 5 passes...each side. It DID work, although I'm not in for doing it again. I talked to our chemist for coating and he confirmed that to be the nature of the beast. I imagine varnishes will react the same, except much time between coatings for drying. As another poster noted, the intention may be to protect for rub, only. Worth having the discussion with the customer, I'd say! Best, Bob Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From stalprint at charter.net Tue Jun 10 08:25:05 2008 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Tue Jun 10 08:25:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vendor for Pens In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <484E72A1.20004@charter.net> http://www.leedsworld.com/promotions/view/?view=Writing+Under+%2410&sortby=HighToLow&cpage=1&psize=12&vstart=0 StevePrint@aol.com wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Looking for a Pen Manufacturer. Gifts for Medical Professionals. Retail >price $5-$7. >Suggestions of dependable vendors you have used appreciated. >Thanks, >Steve Salstrom >Bay Business Printing >_www.iorderprinting.com_ (http://www.iorderprinting.com) > > > > >**************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best >2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From stalprint at charter.net Tue Jun 10 08:25:56 2008 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Tue Jun 10 08:25:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vendor for Pens In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <484E72D4.3070007@charter.net> http://www.pilotpen.us/ StevePrint@aol.com wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Looking for a Pen Manufacturer. Gifts for Medical Professionals. Retail >price $5-$7. >Suggestions of dependable vendors you have used appreciated. >Thanks, >Steve Salstrom >Bay Business Printing >_www.iorderprinting.com_ (http://www.iorderprinting.com) > > > > >**************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best >2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Jun 10 09:33:44 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Jun 10 09:33:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: WOW Message-ID: <8CA9915BD5F27D6-1704-2A39@WEBMAIL-MA05.sysops.aol.com> Just needed to post this.? A few weeks back I had asked for the printers shoppers number.? I called to see if I could purchase just the part for my skrebba stapler.? They told me that they needed the part number, which of course I didn't have.? I got on the WWW & found the manufacturer in Germany.? I ask for the part numbers?they send me a "PDF" I saw part # I needed & asked them how much? Two weeks later part is in my hand all the way from Germany? Now that is service that was provided without a hitch? "Just Plan Good Communication"?thru e-mails? ?I see you guys posting about future names? Well Communication in the name is certainly the way to go?? As proven by this By the way, that part was sent & shipped for FREE Thank you very much, Ulrike Tousignant skrebba-werk gmbh Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com ? ? ? From scott at usacolor.com Tue Jun 10 09:58:05 2008 From: scott at usacolor.com (scott) Date: Tue Jun 10 09:58:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Plate issues In-Reply-To: <8CA9915BD5F27D6-1704-2A39@WEBMAIL-MA05.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA9915BD5F27D6-1704-2A39@WEBMAIL-MA05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <484E886D.5060507@usacolor.com> We are running Agfa plates(conventional), after 2-3,000 images the magenta and yellow dots in the 5-10% range start going "blind". Cleaning the plate works for awhile but ends up happening again after only 500-1000 impressions. We use VanSon ink, Varn PAR and Total Chrome Free. One variable is water - we use tap ...but have for years. Plate supplier thinks it might be the plate developer. Scott Balsiger, President USA Color Printing Inc. www.usacolor.com 791 Mahnomen Dr. Bemidji, MN 56601 800-759-9126 218-759-9126 218-759-2883(fax) 218-556-5505(cell) > From bob at rjmprinting.com Tue Jun 10 10:12:55 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Tue Jun 10 10:13:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Monitor Recommendations Message-ID: We have not upgraded monitors in our graphics area in a long time. Are Apple Displays still worth the premium price you pay? Are there other brands worth looking at? Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com From sos at olympus.net Tue Jun 10 11:15:43 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Jun 10 11:17:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Plate issues References: <8CA9915BD5F27D6-1704-2A39@WEBMAIL-MA05.sysops.aol.com> <484E886D.5060507@usacolor.com> Message-ID: <0fac01c8cb0c$da2ac020$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "scott" > > Plate supplier thinks it might be the plate developer. ======================== I'd suspect the developer as well. Are these metal plates? We use poly, but anytime we have had that type of problem, changing the activator and stabilizer fixed it like that "snap". It's possible you got some bad plate material, I've experienced that once at the start of a roll, got better farther into the roll, light sensitive you know. But still I'd suspect the developer. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 11:46:33 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Jun 10 11:46:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Plate issues In-Reply-To: <0fac01c8cb0c$da2ac020$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <8CA9915BD5F27D6-1704-2A39@WEBMAIL-MA05.sysops.aol.com> <484E886D.5060507@usacolor.com> <0fac01c8cb0c$da2ac020$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0806100846v796f08bycd2e943527f9b047@mail.gmail.com> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "scott" > >> >> Plate supplier thinks it might be the plate developer. >> > ======================== > That might have been my first thought, too, but what would explain the fact that this is happening only on the magenta and yellow plates. Or were they produced after the black and cyan (sometimes we get chemnical-depletion-caused plate blinding suddenly from one plate to the next). -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From cpc at clearnet.net Tue Jun 10 12:22:07 2008 From: cpc at clearnet.net (Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc.) Date: Tue Jun 10 12:22:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help with Publisher 2003 Message-ID: <484EAA2F.8050506@clearnet.net> Can anyone tell me how to show ruler guides in Publisher 2003. I have the Boundaries and Guides checked in the View dropdown menu. Is there a "guides in front" command I am missing? We've been thru the help files with no luck TIA Randy Hurley Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 17 South Third Street P.O. Box 23 Clearfield, PA 16830 814-765-4731 Fax: 814-765-1380 cpc@clearnet.net From jodib at blackfoot.net Tue Jun 10 12:33:55 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Tue Jun 10 12:33:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help with Publisher 2003 References: <484EAA2F.8050506@clearnet.net> Message-ID: <007401c8cb17$c6a0ea60$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Go to tab ARRANGE and choose Layout Guides, you can then select what settings you need. HTH Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc." To: Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:22 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Help with Publisher 2003 > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Can anyone tell me how to show ruler guides in Publisher 2003. I have the > Boundaries and Guides checked in the View dropdown menu. Is there a > "guides in front" command I am missing? We've been thru the help files > with no luck > > TIA > > Randy Hurley > Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. > 17 South Third Street > P.O. Box 23 > Clearfield, PA 16830 > 814-765-4731 > Fax: 814-765-1380 > cpc@clearnet.net > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jodib at blackfoot.net Tue Jun 10 12:36:22 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Tue Jun 10 12:36:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help with Publisher 2003 References: <484EAA2F.8050506@clearnet.net> Message-ID: <007901c8cb18$1e0fba60$0101a8c0@JodiPC> also, there is the choice of ruler guides under the same tab....you can select or remove what you need Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc." To: Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:22 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Help with Publisher 2003 > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Can anyone tell me how to show ruler guides in Publisher 2003. I have the > Boundaries and Guides checked in the View dropdown menu. Is there a > "guides in front" command I am missing? We've been thru the help files > with no luck > > TIA > > Randy Hurley > Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. > 17 South Third Street > P.O. Box 23 > Clearfield, PA 16830 > 814-765-4731 > Fax: 814-765-1380 > cpc@clearnet.net > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue Jun 10 12:57:03 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Tue Jun 10 12:57:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help with Publisher 2003 In-Reply-To: <484EAA2F.8050506@clearnet.net> References: <484EAA2F.8050506@clearnet.net> Message-ID: <00f101c8cb1b$01e2b790$6401a8c0@coranew> Under the "View" tab is "rulers". Click on it. Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From cpc at clearnet.net Tue Jun 10 12:59:12 2008 From: cpc at clearnet.net (Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc.) Date: Tue Jun 10 12:59:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help with Publisher 2003 In-Reply-To: <007901c8cb18$1e0fba60$0101a8c0@JodiPC> References: <484EAA2F.8050506@clearnet.net> <007901c8cb18$1e0fba60$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Message-ID: <484EB2E0.8060604@clearnet.net> Jodi, Thanks for your quick reply. I guess I did not "communicate" my question clearly. This document has a graphic that prints full bleed (all four sides). When my client sends me the file she has her bleeds set fine but other objects in the layout are not aligned properly. I thought I could show her how to use ruler guides to represent the edge of the sheet so she could visually see where the trim would be and how close to the edge she was placing objects. But when I slide a guide out from the ruler and release it disappears behind the graphic. If I delete the graphic the guide shows. Is there a way to set the guides to be on the top of the layout? Thanks again, I appreciate the help!! Randy Hurley Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 17 South Third Street P.O. Box 23 Clearfield, PA 16830 814-765-4731 Fax: 814-765-1380 cpc@clearnet.net Jodi Bowser wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > also, there is the choice of ruler guides under the same tab....you > can select or remove what you need > > Jodi Bowser > Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana > www.pyramidprintingmt.com > jodib@blackfoot.net > Member NAQP #205787 > Member Garden City BNI > 406-728-1503 > fax 406-728-0505 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Commercial Printing & Office > Supply, Inc." > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:22 AM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Help with Publisher 2003 > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Can anyone tell me how to show ruler guides in Publisher 2003. I have >> the Boundaries and Guides checked in the View dropdown menu. Is there >> a "guides in front" command I am missing? We've been thru the help >> files with no luck >> >> TIA >> >> Randy Hurley >> Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. >> 17 South Third Street >> P.O. Box 23 >> Clearfield, PA 16830 >> 814-765-4731 >> Fax: 814-765-1380 >> cpc@clearnet.net > > From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Jun 10 13:15:56 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Jun 10 13:16:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Monitor Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200806101716.m5AHGU4X087945@i2bnetworks.com> I'm looking at one of these as I type this: http://tinyurl.com/rjcqq Its on my XP box and it is a fantastic monitor. I also have one of these 23" connected to my laptop on the other desk in my office: http://tinyurl.com/73vs5 and also the 30" version in graphics. Frankly side by side they are extremely close. I'm not a fan of Dell, except for their monitors which are fantastic. If you have the money get the Cinema Display, the coolness factor alone is worth the extra $, but if its for the Windows boxes, gotta get the Dell. One more thing, one of my clients is driving a MacPro tower with the 30" Dell.....looks nice. S. At 07:12 AM 6/10/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We have not upgraded monitors in our graphics area in a long time. Are >Apple Displays still worth the premium price you pay? Are there other >brands worth looking at? > > > >Bob Molacek > >Sir Speedy Printing > >7793 Ranchers Road > >Fridley, MN 55432 > >763-571-4608 > > bob@rjmprinting.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3173 (20080610) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Tue Jun 10 13:38:46 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Tue Jun 10 13:39:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] you may get tired of it, but your customers don't Message-ID: Remember the huge big 8 accounting firm Anderson Consulting? They changed their name during the accounting scandles at the beginning of this decade. Know what their name is today? This is a test. I changed our company name after 15 years, back in 1996. I did that because several large prospects told me frankly that they thought our name sounded like a quicky quicky mom and pop shop. I did extensive research into the impact of a name change. I talked with various consultants, too. The net net was that a name change will have little pos or neg effect on your business, but just a tad more on the upside. I know several people wrangled with this issue in the past, (Compton comes to mind). Funny thing, when we did change our name, several folks who we hadn't seen in years came back, and remarked that they were glad the company had 'new owners' because the last ones were awful! They are still with us. Anderson Consulting is Accenture. That makes no sense to me. They seem to be doing well. And who was Bearing Point? I don't remember. It sounds like a machine shop. Anyway, we started as Wiki Wiki Print, and became the largest single location printer in Tucson 6 years from opening. I had never seen Tucson, AZ until Feb of 1981, we opened a month later w/a cardboard sign in the window. One of our press ops won the naqp masters of printing in 86. It was the publicity we generated from that which drove us higher. That's back when no one knew anything about the little ABD press capabilities. I think we could have been Putzametzger's Dancing Monkey Ink Palace and done just as well. Sir Speedy offered us a million back then for our shop and knowledge. Check it out, don't take my word for it. My favorite printer back then was Fast Eddies Printshop down the street from us. Never heard of Alphagraphics, and it sure didn't sound like a quick print shop to me when I arrived in Tucson. The owner was a prior Xerox salesperson. And Xerox is Greek. I never heard of a Prius 4 years ago. Tough financial times brought that to the top of mind. I believe a name change is like advertising: you may get tired of the same old thing, but your customers don't. Larry Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Tue Jun 10 13:43:36 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Tue Jun 10 13:43:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Hanns Monitor Message-ID: You will want to give the Hanns G a look. It's our favorite. Compare the specs to any other. Larry DPP Tucson Message: 1 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:12:55 -0500 From: "Bob Molacek" > Subject: [PrintOwners] Monitor Recommendations To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" We have not upgraded monitors in our graphics area in a long time. Are Apple Displays still worth the premium price you pay? Are there other brands worth looking at? Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing From craig at sutterprinting.com Tue Jun 10 13:51:33 2008 From: craig at sutterprinting.com (Craig Baise) Date: Tue Jun 10 13:51:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xante / Rip It Consumable agreement Message-ID: We have a rip it imagesetter - Xante wants us to sign an agreement that says _ 12 month agreement with automatic renewal and the minimum commitment for the year is payable at the start of the agreement. Verbally, they denied it said that but it does. We said we want it amended to say that we pay as we purchase and they said no changes to the agreement. 1. Has anyone else been asked to sign this? 2. If so, have they charged your card for the full commitment at the start? Thanks Craig C. Baise Sutter Printing 916.446.0167 office www.sutterprinting.com From Susan at cdandp.net Tue Jun 10 13:53:40 2008 From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton) Date: Tue Jun 10 13:55:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do? (Long) References: <011a01c8ca49$2388cb50$8302a8c0@Robbin><0b8201c8ca4b$c09c8420$41d58c60$@com><484D594A.1040808@usacolor.com> <005b01c8ca51$90702710$800101df@eprint.local> Message-ID: <03b301c8cb22$eae5bb70$8302a8c0@Robbin> Thanks everyone for the input. I have decided to reprint the covers. We slightly reduced all of the elements on the cover to allow the extra room for edge trimming. Everyone's advice was excellent, but the one that really got me was when Brian O'Day wrote, "Once an order is accepted you can never give up! If you give up on this one you will give up on the next." I appreciate having outside objective voices to listen to. Sometimes I am too close to the situation. My late husband was always my objective voice before, and that is one thing I really miss about him! Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, VA 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net From sos at olympus.net Tue Jun 10 14:03:57 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Jun 10 14:06:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Weather References: <4873FFE2.3070603@werkheiser.com> Message-ID: <0ffa01c8cb24$5ad181c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Well, it was a sprightly 45 degrees this morning on the way in. They say it could get up to 54 today. They say it is the coldest June since 1890 something. It's been snowing in the mountains, like two feet worth the other day. I know you can't read anything in particular into one year's weather, but man it's been cold this spring. I understand it been hot back east. Hang on, coolness should be heading your way. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From Susan at cdandp.net Tue Jun 10 14:06:24 2008 From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton) Date: Tue Jun 10 14:07:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Weather References: <4873FFE2.3070603@werkheiser.com> <0ffa01c8cb24$5ad181c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <03d901c8cb24$b25c3e30$8302a8c0@Robbin> Dan, I hope so. It's in the mid to upper 90s in Virginia. I left Oklahoma to get away from this stuff! Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, VA 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Huntingford" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Weather > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Well, it was a sprightly 45 degrees this morning on the way in. They say > it could get up to 54 today. They say it is the coldest June since 1890 > something. It's been snowing in the mountains, like two feet worth the > other day. I know you can't read anything in particular into one year's > weather, but man it's been cold this spring. > I understand it been hot back east. Hang on, coolness should be heading > your way. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3173 (20080610) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From steve at toledoprinter.com Tue Jun 10 14:12:17 2008 From: steve at toledoprinter.com (West Printing) Date: Tue Jun 10 14:11:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help with Publisher 2003 In-Reply-To: <484EB2E0.8060604@clearnet.net> References: <484EAA2F.8050506@clearnet.net> <007901c8cb18$1e0fba60$0101a8c0@JodiPC> <484EB2E0.8060604@clearnet.net> Message-ID: <001b01c8cb25$8520d8d0$8f628a70$@com> This has always been a hassle. One thing you can do is click on the guide either above or below the graphic and the guide will appear over the graphic as long as you hold the mouse down. Or, send the graphic to the master page (background) arrange>send to background and then on the foreground where the guide is located you can click on the guide where it runs through the graphic and it the guide will appear as long as you hold the mouse key down. Steve Robison West Printing Co. 327 12th Street, Toledo, OH 43604 Ph. 419.246.0857, steve@toledoprinter.com? **************************************** http://www.ToledoPrinter.Com Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Commercial Printing & Office > Supply, Inc. > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:59 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Help with Publisher 2003 > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Jodi, > > Thanks for your quick reply. I guess I did not "communicate" my > question > clearly. This document has a graphic that > prints full bleed (all four sides). When my client sends me the > file she > has her bleeds set fine but other objects in the layout are not > aligned > properly. I thought I could show her how to use ruler guides to > represent the edge of the sheet so she could visually see where > the trim > would be and how close to the edge she was placing objects. But > when I > slide a guide out from the ruler and release it disappears behind > the > graphic. If I delete the graphic the guide shows. Is there a way > to set > the guides to be on the top of the layout? > > Thanks again, I appreciate the help!! > > Randy Hurley > Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. > 17 South Third Street > P.O. Box 23 > Clearfield, PA 16830 > 814-765-4731 > Fax: 814-765-1380 > cpc@clearnet.net > > > Jodi Bowser wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > also, there is the choice of ruler guides under the same > tab....you > > can select or remove what you need > > > > Jodi Bowser > > Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana > > www.pyramidprintingmt.com > > jodib@blackfoot.net > > Member NAQP #205787 > > Member Garden City BNI > > 406-728-1503 > > fax 406-728-0505 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Commercial Printing & > Office > > Supply, Inc." > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:22 AM > > Subject: [PrintOwners] Help with Publisher 2003 > > > > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> > >> Can anyone tell me how to show ruler guides in Publisher 2003. > I have > >> the Boundaries and Guides checked in the View dropdown menu. > Is there > >> a "guides in front" command I am missing? We've been thru the > help > >> files with no luck > >> > >> TIA > >> > >> Randy Hurley > >> Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. > >> 17 South Third Street > >> P.O. Box 23 > >> Clearfield, PA 16830 > >> 814-765-4731 > >> Fax: 814-765-1380 > >> cpc@clearnet.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Minmandon at aol.com Tue Jun 10 14:12:06 2008 From: Minmandon at aol.com (Minmandon@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 10 14:12:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Weather Message-ID: In a message dated 6/10/2008 2:07:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sos@olympus.net writes: They say it is the coldest June since 1890 something. It's been snowing in the mountains, like two feet worth the other day. I guess they don't have global warming in Washington. Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield 954 421-9904 **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) From printer at ptialaska.net Tue Jun 10 14:17:50 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Tue Jun 10 14:17:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring it on!) In-Reply-To: <03d901c8cb24$b25c3e30$8302a8c0@Robbin> References: <4873FFE2.3070603@werkheiser.com> <0ffa01c8cb24$5ad181c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <03d901c8cb24$b25c3e30$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: <6073A9AA-24C2-4F8F-BAB2-57D0B8ECDB99@ptialaska.net> I find it amazing how whatever the temperature is in your area is assumed to be cause for alarm. I must say we have been having unusually cold weather (what does that mean?). David Letterman was blaming global warming on New Yorks high temps (we used to call that a heat wave and we seem to get them every year since I can remember). Remember the song "Hot town summer in the city, back of my neck feels dirty and gritty" Of course Tom Brokaw pointed out to Dave that him driving his large car and flying on private jets with 2 people onboard was not helping. Anyway, how does one start a campaign such as global warming which causes everyone to talk about the campaign and some to even change their lifestyles? It seems to be the greatest marketing campaign of our times... When I was in high school the talk was all about the coming ice age and global cooling. What happened? _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From sos at olympus.net Tue Jun 10 14:20:55 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Jun 10 14:23:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do? References: <011a01c8ca49$2388cb50$8302a8c0@Robbin><0b8201c8ca4b$c09c8420$41d58c60$@com><484D594A.1040808@usacolor.com><005b01c8ca51$90702710$800101df@eprint.local> <03b301c8cb22$eae5bb70$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: <101501c8cb26$b91becf0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Compton" but the one that really > got me was when Brian O'Day wrote, "Once an order is accepted you can > never give up! ==================== That resonated with me as well. There have been a few jobs we've printed three times. Each time a learning experience. You loose money, but you learn, and gain the trust of the customer. Or at least if you explain everything well, you gain their trust, and they can learn as well. Soldier on Susan, we're with you, down here in the trenches. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From jodib at blackfoot.net Tue Jun 10 14:30:28 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Tue Jun 10 14:30:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help with Publisher 2003 References: <484EAA2F.8050506@clearnet.net><007901c8cb18$1e0fba60$0101a8c0@JodiPC> <484EB2E0.8060604@clearnet.net> Message-ID: <00cf01c8cb28$0f120a30$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Randy: I spoke to another shop here in Missoula (he's a pc expert, I'm a mac) and he said he 'draws' a white rule to show where his guides and/or edge of the page is. As soon as you drop in artwork (to bleed) it does cover your guides. (I just love Publisher!) See is having her draw a white rule will help. The last job I did for a customer in Publisher, that had a bleed, I actually had to change the page size to be larger as it will not print and actually 'see' the bleeds like you can ask it to in InDesign. I'll then convert to a pdf via my Jaws PDF Courier feature with my webiste and bingo....a workable file. I'd like to know if someone else has a different way they work with Publisher files that bleed. Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc." To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Help with Publisher 2003 > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Jodi, > > Thanks for your quick reply. I guess I did not "communicate" my question > clearly. This document has a graphic that > prints full bleed (all four sides). When my client sends me the file she > has her bleeds set fine but other objects in the layout are not aligned > properly. I thought I could show her how to use ruler guides to represent > the edge of the sheet so she could visually see where the trim would be > and how close to the edge she was placing objects. But when I slide a > guide out from the ruler and release it disappears behind the graphic. If > I delete the graphic the guide shows. Is there a way to set the guides to > be on the top of the layout? > > Thanks again, I appreciate the help!! > > Randy Hurley > Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. > 17 South Third Street > P.O. Box 23 > Clearfield, PA 16830 > 814-765-4731 > Fax: 814-765-1380 > cpc@clearnet.net > > > Jodi Bowser wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> also, there is the choice of ruler guides under the same tab....you can >> select or remove what you need >> >> Jodi Bowser >> Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana >> www.pyramidprintingmt.com >> jodib@blackfoot.net >> Member NAQP #205787 >> Member Garden City BNI >> 406-728-1503 >> fax 406-728-0505 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Commercial Printing & Office Supply, >> Inc." >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:22 AM >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Help with Publisher 2003 >> >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Can anyone tell me how to show ruler guides in Publisher 2003. I have >>> the Boundaries and Guides checked in the View dropdown menu. Is there a >>> "guides in front" command I am missing? We've been thru the help files >>> with no luck >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> Randy Hurley >>> Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. >>> 17 South Third Street >>> P.O. Box 23 >>> Clearfield, PA 16830 >>> 814-765-4731 >>> Fax: 814-765-1380 >>> cpc@clearnet.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From david at commercialpressink.com Tue Jun 10 14:35:48 2008 From: david at commercialpressink.com (David Charleson) Date: Tue Jun 10 14:31:08 2008 Subject: SPAM-MED: Re: [PrintOwners] Weather{OFF} In-Reply-To: <03d901c8cb24$b25c3e30$8302a8c0@Robbin> References: <4873FFE2.3070603@werkheiser.com> <0ffa01c8cb24$5ad181c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <03d901c8cb24$b25c3e30$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: <484EC984.3090607@commercialpressink.com> We just had a bad T/L storm race through here @12:30 reports of a tornado(very rare in this area) in the southern end of the county. We shut everything down and unplugged the computers , imagesetter, and digital machines. An hour later its fine! It was in the 90's all weekend through today.... gonna be in the 40's tonite! All this strange and severe weather makes one wonder if the Apocalypse is actually started!! I guess we better put together an exit plan for the shop! -- David Charleson Commercial Press Inc. 216 Cowan Rd Canton NY 13617 P 315.386.3431 david@commercialpressink.com www.commercialpressink.com From jeff at hprinting.biz Tue Jun 10 14:30:01 2008 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Tue Jun 10 14:36:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 2008-2009 Operating Ratio Study Message-ID: <20080610183108.3091.6187@hm-pop1.solinus.com> I've been reading all the great reviews on the list about the new study, but the post office must not like me as mine hasn't arrived. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com Tue Jun 10 14:39:23 2008 From: goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com (Goodway Print and Copy) Date: Tue Jun 10 14:39:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] template In-Reply-To: <008601c86516$ce55e240$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <20080201190550.27129DC5E78@rb.enter.net><000a01c86513$8daa6e80$6401a8c0@Chris> <008601c86516$ce55e240$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <004601c8cb29$4dc28330$660000c8@LeslieXP> Hi Is it possible to create a template from a pdf or indd file so the customer can type in the info and have it print on the preprinted forms they have already had printed.?? Leslie McDonald GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. 15121 Ventura Blvd. Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Phone:(818) 783-5172 Fax:(818)783-8649 goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com www.goodwayprintcopy.com From swiftyprinting at mac.com Tue Jun 10 14:40:47 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Tue Jun 10 14:41:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help with Publisher 2003 In-Reply-To: <00cf01c8cb28$0f120a30$0101a8c0@JodiPC> References: <484EAA2F.8050506@clearnet.net> <007901c8cb18$1e0fba60$0101a8c0@JodiPC> <484EB2E0.8060604@clearnet.net> <00cf01c8cb28$0f120a30$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Message-ID: <54039E7B-BB51-47DD-A845-01B8D24AC3D4@mac.com> On Jun 10, 2008, at 2:30 PM, Jodi Bowser wrote: > I'd like to know if someone else has a different way they work with > Publisher files that bleed. The bleeds are created when "printing " it or converting to pdf. Each version is slightly different but in the print dialogue box is where you can change the sheet it is printing on, crops and how much to bleed. The biggest hint I tell our customers is to never use any of the "template" page sizes. Always create your own custom page even if it just letter. All of the versions seem to handle bleeds with a custom page a lot better than form the template pages. Did you know there is a plug in for indesign which opens Publisher files? PUB2ID If you have the fonts, it works great. (even on a mac) Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Jun 10 14:48:14 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Jun 10 14:48:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring it on!) In-Reply-To: <6073A9AA-24C2-4F8F-BAB2-57D0B8ECDB99@ptialaska.net> References: <4873FFE2.3070603@werkheiser.com> <0ffa01c8cb24$5ad181c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <03d901c8cb24$b25c3e30$8302a8c0@Robbin> <6073A9AA-24C2-4F8F-BAB2-57D0B8ECDB99@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <200806101848.m5AImmjG013427@i2bnetworks.com> Global warming is a crock, and history will reflect on it as the biggest hoax of the 21st century. Read the science for yourself. S. At 11:17 AM 6/10/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I find it amazing how whatever the temperature is in your area is >assumed to be cause for alarm. I must say we have been having >unusually cold weather (what does that mean?). David Letterman was >blaming global warming on New Yorks high temps (we used to call that a >heat wave and we seem to get them every year since I can remember). >Remember the song "Hot town summer in the city, back of my neck feels >dirty and gritty" Of course Tom Brokaw pointed out to Dave that him >driving his large car and flying on private jets with 2 people onboard >was not helping. > >Anyway, how does one start a campaign such as global warming which >causes everyone to talk about the campaign and some to even change >their lifestyles? >It seems to be the greatest marketing campaign of our times... >When I was in high school the talk was all about the coming ice age >and global cooling. What happened? > >_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > >Charles Lincoln >ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY >612 30th Avenue >Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 >(907) 451-1111 >fax (907) 451-4511 > >_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3173 (20080610) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From kellycrom at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 14:52:04 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Tue Jun 10 14:52:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help with Publisher 2003 In-Reply-To: <00cf01c8cb28$0f120a30$0101a8c0@JodiPC> References: <484EAA2F.8050506@clearnet.net><007901c8cb18$1e0fba60$0101a8c0@JodiPC><484EB2E0.8060604@clearnet.net> <00cf01c8cb28$0f120a30$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Message-ID: <011501c8cb2b$14dfe970$6d01a8c0@KELLY> I don't have 2003 anymore, but I know that in Pub2007(I think it works the same though) if your image extends beyond the page size, and then you check "allow bleeds" in the advanced print settings. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jodi Bowser > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:30 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Help with Publisher 2003 > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Randy: > > I spoke to another shop here in Missoula (he's a pc expert, > I'm a mac) and > he said he 'draws' a white rule to show where his guides > and/or edge of the page is. As soon as you drop in artwork > (to bleed) it > does cover your guides. (I just love Publisher!) See is > having her draw a > white rule will help. The last job I did for a customer in > Publisher, that > had a bleed, I actually had to change the page size to be > larger as it will > not print and actually 'see' the bleeds like you can ask it > to in InDesign. > I'll then convert to a pdf via my Jaws PDF Courier feature > with my webiste > and bingo....a workable file. > > I'd like to know if someone else has a different way they work with > Publisher files that bleed. > > > Jodi Bowser > Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana > www.pyramidprintingmt.com > jodib@blackfoot.net > Member NAQP #205787 > Member Garden City BNI > 406-728-1503 > fax 406-728-0505 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc." > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:59 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Help with Publisher 2003 > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Jodi, > > > > Thanks for your quick reply. I guess I did not > "communicate" my question > > clearly. This document has a graphic that > > prints full bleed (all four sides). When my client sends me > the file she > > has her bleeds set fine but other objects in the layout are > not aligned > > properly. I thought I could show her how to use ruler > guides to represent > > the edge of the sheet so she could visually see where the > trim would be > > and how close to the edge she was placing objects. But when > I slide a > > guide out from the ruler and release it disappears behind > the graphic. If > > I delete the graphic the guide shows. Is there a way to set > the guides to > > be on the top of the layout? > > > > Thanks again, I appreciate the help!! > > > > Randy Hurley > > Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. > > 17 South Third Street > > P.O. Box 23 > > Clearfield, PA 16830 > > 814-765-4731 > > Fax: 814-765-1380 > > cpc@clearnet.net > > > > > > Jodi Bowser wrote: > > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> > >> also, there is the choice of ruler guides under the same > tab....you can > >> select or remove what you need > >> > >> Jodi Bowser > >> Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana > >> www.pyramidprintingmt.com > >> jodib@blackfoot.net > >> Member NAQP #205787 > >> Member Garden City BNI > >> 406-728-1503 > >> fax 406-728-0505 > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Commercial Printing & > Office Supply, > >> Inc." > >> To: > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:22 AM > >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Help with Publisher 2003 > >> > >> > >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >>> > >>> Can anyone tell me how to show ruler guides in Publisher > 2003. I have > >>> the Boundaries and Guides checked in the View dropdown > menu. Is there a > >>> "guides in front" command I am missing? We've been thru > the help files > >>> with no luck > >>> > >>> TIA > >>> > >>> Randy Hurley > >>> Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. > >>> 17 South Third Street > >>> P.O. Box 23 > >>> Clearfield, PA 16830 > >>> 814-765-4731 > >>> Fax: 814-765-1380 > >>> cpc@clearnet.net > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From ray at capitol-copy.com Tue Jun 10 14:54:28 2008 From: ray at capitol-copy.com (Ray Sziber) Date: Tue Jun 10 14:54:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xante Agreement In-Reply-To: <20080610181218.F3BA2F7E0CD@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <001301c8cb2b$68ee0240$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> We have both agreements: one for software support, upgrades and plate material and the other one for parts and repairs. Both agreements made sense, aside from the fact that they charge you up front. The plates are charged as you order them, however. When compared to other suppliers and non-Xante repairs and parts, it's a good deal. And, they have a very generous loaner policy. Ray Sziber Capitol Copy Service NAQP NAPL 116 West State Street Trenton NJ 08608 Ph 609-989-8776 Fx609-989-9570 www.Capitol-Copy.com Now Offering Large Format Printing! verkin tala >>>>>We have a rip it imagesetter - Xante wants us to sign an agreement that says _ 12 month agreement with automatic renewal and the minimum commitment for the year is payable at the start of the agreement. Verbally, they denied it said that but it does. We said we want it amended to say that we pay as we purchase and they said no changes to the agreement. 1. Has anyone else been asked to sign this? 2. If so, have they charged your card for the full commitment at the start? Thanks Craig C. Baise Sutter Printing 916.446.0167 office www.sutterprinting.com<<<< From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue Jun 10 15:00:55 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Tue Jun 10 15:00:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help with Publisher 2003 In-Reply-To: <484EB2E0.8060604@clearnet.net> References: <484EAA2F.8050506@clearnet.net><007901c8cb18$1e0fba60$0101a8c0@JodiPC> <484EB2E0.8060604@clearnet.net> Message-ID: <010501c8cb2c$5010d8a0$6401a8c0@coranew> Sometimes I just manually put a line on there for a guide and change the color so it contrasts with the graphic. Would this work in your case??? Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From slb at inkspot.net Tue Jun 10 15:04:26 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Jun 10 15:04:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] html email advice needed Message-ID: <489F0367.999.642A4B4@slb.inkspot.net> A customer has asked us to create a "template" for an information sheet that he'd send as html email. Assuming you've dealt with similar requests, what software package would you plan on your customer using? In other words, what would you set up the template for? (I know he has Office and Publisher, and not the Adobe suite, but other than that, I'm not sure...) I've already cautioned him about spam laws, subscription confirmation emails, etc. Other than that, is there anything he needs to be particularly watchful of? (He's sending to a group that wants his information, and is unlikely to consider it spam, and he's limiting it to that group.) TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From bob at rjmprinting.com Tue Jun 10 15:05:07 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Tue Jun 10 15:05:13 2008 Subject: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring it on!) In-Reply-To: <200806101848.m5AImmjG013427@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: I usually stay out of this stuff but the story is too good. My son who is in 7th grade came home after the 1st week of school talking about global warming and how we needed to stop it. I told him to research it and get back to me. During the school year he watched the Discovery Channel did some internet searches and listened to his Science teacher(pro global warming). Bottom line he no longer believes in global warming. Gee if a 7th grader can figure it out you would think the guy who invented the internet could. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:48 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring it on!) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Global warming is a crock, and history will reflect on it as the biggest hoax of the 21st century. Read the science for yourself. S. At 11:17 AM 6/10/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I find it amazing how whatever the temperature is in your area is >assumed to be cause for alarm. I must say we have been having >unusually cold weather (what does that mean?). David Letterman was >blaming global warming on New Yorks high temps (we used to call that a >heat wave and we seem to get them every year since I can remember). >Remember the song "Hot town summer in the city, back of my neck feels >dirty and gritty" Of course Tom Brokaw pointed out to Dave that him >driving his large car and flying on private jets with 2 people onboard >was not helping. > >Anyway, how does one start a campaign such as global warming which >causes everyone to talk about the campaign and some to even change >their lifestyles? >It seems to be the greatest marketing campaign of our times... >When I was in high school the talk was all about the coming ice age >and global cooling. What happened? > >_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > >Charles Lincoln >ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY >612 30th Avenue >Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 >(907) 451-1111 >fax (907) 451-4511 > >_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3173 (20080610) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kevin at abfprints.com Tue Jun 10 15:02:03 2008 From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko) Date: Tue Jun 10 15:09:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM 6500 register problems In-Reply-To: <484EC984.3090607@commercialpressink.com> References: <4873FFE2.3070603@werkheiser.com> <0ffa01c8cb24$5ad181c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL><03d901c8cb24$b25c3e30$8302a8c0@Robbin> <484EC984.3090607@commercialpressink.com> Message-ID: <006901c8cb2c$7833f650$1c00a8c0@abf.local> We have been having problems getting our KM 6500 to register when duplexing 11 x 17 or 12 x 18 regardless of what paper we use. The reps have been out numerous times, anybody else dissatisfied with their registration? I know it's not going to register like a press but it's skewing the sheet almost an 1/8 inch. We can't sell crooked work. Kevin Danko Advantage Business Forms 102 N. Riverside Ave. Rialto, CA 92376 Phone: (909) 875-7163 Fax: (909) 875-7971 www.abfprints.com E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com From slb at inkspot.net Tue Jun 10 15:12:25 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Jun 10 15:12:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring it on!) In-Reply-To: <6073A9AA-24C2-4F8F-BAB2-57D0B8ECDB99@ptialaska.net> References: <4873FFE2.3070603@werkheiser.com>, <03d901c8cb24$b25c3e30$8302a8c0@Robbin>, <6073A9AA-24C2-4F8F-BAB2-57D0B8ECDB99@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <489F0533.30501.649ACC0@slb.inkspot.net> > Anyway, how does one start a campaign such as global warming which > causes everyone to talk about the campaign and some to even change > their lifestyles? 1. Pay no attention to the relevant scientific data. 2. Choose a cause that enables you to feel virtuous about saving something, or rescuing something from some putative evil force, regardless of whether either the feeling of virtue or the putative evil is, in fact, virtuous or evil, respectively. This works better with people for whom it is a substitute for a conventional religious belief system. 3. Make sure your chosen cause will require a virtuous or enlightened minority to exert control over the lives and choices of those seen as less virtuous, less enlightened, less educated, less sophisticated, or otherwise classifiable as "the great unwashed." If you've chosen well, you'll fire the imagination of the left, which will play well with the mainstream media and the hollyweird types, and your battle will be only a matter of time.... YMMV, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Tue Jun 10 15:18:03 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Tue Jun 10 15:18:08 2008 Subject: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring it on!) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <484ED36B.1010206@sugarloafprint.com> Bob Molacek wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I usually stay out of this stuff but the story is too good. > > My son who is in 7th grade came home after the 1st week of school talking > about global warming and how we needed to stop it. I told him to research > it and get back to me. During the school year he watched the Discovery > Channel did some internet searches and listened to his Science teacher(pro > global warming). Bottom line he no longer believes in global warming. Gee > if a 7th grader can figure it out you would think the guy who invented the > internet could. > > Isn't there a TV show called "Are you smarter than a 5th grader" http://tinyurl.com/yutz8e -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Jun 10 15:18:56 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Jun 10 15:19:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring it on!) In-Reply-To: <200806101848.m5AImmjG013427@i2bnetworks.com> References: <4873FFE2.3070603@werkheiser.com> <0ffa01c8cb24$5ad181c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <03d901c8cb24$b25c3e30$8302a8c0@Robbin> <6073A9AA-24C2-4F8F-BAB2-57D0B8ECDB99@ptialaska.net> <200806101848.m5AImmjG013427@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <8CA9945F63CEAA8-1704-D0B@WEBMAIL-MA20.sysops.aol.com> DITTO Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Cappel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 2:48 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring it on!) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Global warming is a crock, and history will reflect on it as the biggest hoax of the 21st century.? ? Read the science for yourself.? ? S.? ? At 11:17 AM 6/10/2008, you wrote:? >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? >I find it amazing how whatever the temperature is in your area is? >assumed to be cause for alarm. I must say we have been having? >unusually cold weather (what does that mean?). David Letterman was? >blaming global warming on New Yorks high temps (we used to call that a? >heat wave and we seem to get them every year since I can remember).? >Remember the song "Hot town summer in the city, back of my neck feels? >dirty and gritty" Of course Tom Brokaw pointed out to Dave that him? >driving his large car and flying on private jets with 2 people onboard? >was not helping.? >? >Anyway, how does one start a campaign such as global warming which? >causes everyone to talk about the campaign and some to even change? >their lifestyles?? >It seems to be the greatest marketing campaign of our times...? >When I was in high school the talk was all about the coming ice age? >and global cooling. What happened?? >? >_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/? >? >Charles Lincoln? >ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY? >612 30th Avenue? >Fairbanks, Alaska 99701? >(907) 451-1111? >fax (907) 451-4511? >? >_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/? >? >_______________________________________________? >PrintOwners Discussion List? >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? >__________ NOD32 3173 (20080610) Information __________? >? >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.? >http://www.eset.com? >? ? _____________________________________________? ? Scott Cappel? ? Sorrento Mesa Printing? 7398 Trade Street? San Diego, CA 92121-2422? 858-527-0800? 858-527-1740 FAX? http://www.sorrentomesa.com? ? LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa? ? Direct Links for Learning:? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html? ? Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider? Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider? Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level? Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider? ? Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Tue Jun 10 15:20:10 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Tue Jun 10 15:20:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xante / Rip It Consumable agreement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D663077-3784-4BA0-ADA5-A4065788D061@inkonpaper.biz> YES As much as I didn't want to do it, I had no choice On Jun 10, 2008, at 1:51 PM, Craig Baise wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have a rip it imagesetter - Xante wants us to sign an agreement > that says > _ 12 month agreement with automatic renewal and the minimum > commitment for > the year is payable at the start of the agreement. Verbally, they > denied it > said that but it does. We said we want it amended to say that we > pay as we > purchase and they said no changes to the agreement. 1. Has anyone > else been > asked to sign this? 2. If so, have they charged your card for the full > commitment at the start? Thanks > Craig C. Baise > Sutter Printing > 916.446.0167 office > www.sutterprinting.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz From david at commercialpressink.com Tue Jun 10 15:25:55 2008 From: david at commercialpressink.com (David Charleson) Date: Tue Jun 10 15:21:15 2008 Subject: SPAM-MED: Re: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring it on!) In-Reply-To: <200806101848.m5AImmjG013427@i2bnetworks.com> References: <4873FFE2.3070603@werkheiser.com> <0ffa01c8cb24$5ad181c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <03d901c8cb24$b25c3e30$8302a8c0@Robbin> <6073A9AA-24C2-4F8F-BAB2-57D0B8ECDB99@ptialaska.net> <200806101848.m5AImmjG013427@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <484ED543.1070401@commercialpressink.com> Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Global warming is a crock, and history will reflect on it as the > biggest hoax of the 21st century. > > Read the science for yourself. > > S. > > > You are absolutely correct Scott!.... what gets me is almost all of > the liberals in this country believe what CBS news tells them is the > truth no matter what anyone else thinks. Of course they have to make the "global warming" issue very political. I am by no means a scientist but i do believe that mother nature is stronger than all of mankind and there is nothing we can do to slow down or change a natural cycle on this planet. Just look back at history and that tells us everything. Just my thoughts David Charleson Commercial Press Inc. 216 Cowan Rd Canton NY 13617 P 315.386.3431 david@commercialpressink.com www.commercialpressink.com From kevin at proprinters.ca Tue Jun 10 15:27:13 2008 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin at PRO Printers) Date: Tue Jun 10 15:27:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM 6500 register problems References: <4873FFE2.3070603@werkheiser.com> <0ffa01c8cb24$5ad181c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL><03d901c8cb24$b25c3e30$8302a8c0@Robbin><484EC984.3090607@commercialpressink.com> <006901c8cb2c$7833f650$1c00a8c0@abf.local> Message-ID: <00eb01c8cb2f$fde7d6b0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> Kevin: We had a similar issue with our CPP650. Turns out the imaging belt was getting slack on one side. Techs adjusted it once, replaced it once, then clued in and got it right. Each time it would be OK for a while then start printing crooked again and no way to get it straight until they showed up. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Danko" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:02 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] KM 6500 register problems > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have been having problems getting our KM 6500 to register when > duplexing > 11 x 17 or 12 x 18 regardless of what paper we use. The reps have been out > numerous times, anybody else dissatisfied with their registration? I know > it's not going to register like a press but it's skewing the sheet almost > an > 1/8 inch. We can't sell crooked work. > > Kevin Danko > Advantage Business Forms > 102 N. Riverside Ave. > Rialto, CA 92376 > Phone: (909) 875-7163 > Fax: (909) 875-7971 > www.abfprints.com > E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From printer at ptialaska.net Tue Jun 10 15:34:38 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Tue Jun 10 15:34:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring it on!) In-Reply-To: <200806101848.m5AImmjG013427@i2bnetworks.com> References: <4873FFE2.3070603@werkheiser.com> <0ffa01c8cb24$5ad181c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <03d901c8cb24$b25c3e30$8302a8c0@Robbin> <6073A9AA-24C2-4F8F-BAB2-57D0B8ECDB99@ptialaska.net> <200806101848.m5AImmjG013427@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <440D44F3-A946-4F4A-8282-D71B9058AE75@ptialaska.net> On Jun 10, 2008, at 10:48 AM, Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Global warming is a crock, and history will reflect on it as the > biggest hoax of the 21st century. > Read the science for yourself. > S. REPLY: Thank you Scott, I am glad I am not alone. If you say something enough (global warming) people will believe it (global warming). How about "buy more printing, buy more printing, buy more printing"... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From sos at olympus.net Tue Jun 10 15:40:10 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Jun 10 15:42:24 2008 Subject: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring it on!) References: Message-ID: <105701c8cb31$cbd74d20$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Molacek" Discovery > Channel did some internet searches and listened to his Science teacher(pro > global warming). Bottom line he no longer believes in global warming. > Gee > if a 7th grader can figure it out you would think the guy who invented the > internet could. ====================== There clearly IS global warming. 15,000 years ago I would have been 3,000 feet under the surface of the ice where I sit right now. It has warmed up considerably. What is not clear is what causes this warming. No one year temperature record tells you anything. Even 100 years worth of temperature data might not tell you anything accurate about long term climate. It seems to go in cycles. La Nina, El Nino. Medieval warm period, subsequent cooling. If you look at pictures of earth from space, at night, and see all the lights glowing, it seems pretty obvious humans have wrought serious change to the surface of the earth. Could our carbon emissions be affecting climate. Seems possible, but no data that I've seen so far has convinced me of that. The next 100 to 1,000 years or so should tell the tale. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Jun 10 15:47:50 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Jun 10 15:48:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring it on!) In-Reply-To: <440D44F3-A946-4F4A-8282-D71B9058AE75@ptialaska.net> References: <4873FFE2.3070603@werkheiser.com> <0ffa01c8cb24$5ad181c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <03d901c8cb24$b25c3e30$8302a8c0@Robbin> <6073A9AA-24C2-4F8F-BAB2-57D0B8ECDB99@ptialaska.net> <200806101848.m5AImmjG013427@i2bnetworks.com> <440D44F3-A946-4F4A-8282-D71B9058AE75@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <200806101948.m5AJmO4r027964@i2bnetworks.com> Yeah I think Goebbels got that one down pat. Seems like his strategies live on.... S. At 12:34 PM 6/10/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >On Jun 10, 2008, at 10:48 AM, Scott Cappel wrote: >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>Global warming is a crock, and history will reflect on it as the >>biggest hoax of the 21st century. >>Read the science for yourself. >>S. > > >REPLY: >Thank you Scott, I am glad I am not alone. If you say something enough >(global warming) people will believe it (global warming). How about >"buy more printing, buy more printing, buy more printing"... > > >_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > >Charles Lincoln >ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY >612 30th Avenue >Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 >(907) 451-1111 >fax (907) 451-4511 > >_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3173 (20080610) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From craig at sutterprinting.com Tue Jun 10 16:03:08 2008 From: craig at sutterprinting.com (Craig Baise) Date: Tue Jun 10 16:03:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xante / Rip It Consumable agreement In-Reply-To: <4D663077-3784-4BA0-ADA5-A4065788D061@inkonpaper.biz> Message-ID: Loren - thanks for your reply - just want to be sure - do they charge for the expected purchases for the year at the start of the year?? Thanks craig On 6/10/08 12:20 PM, "Loren Maurina" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > YES > > As much as I didn't want to do it, I had no choice > > > On Jun 10, 2008, at 1:51 PM, Craig Baise wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> We have a rip it imagesetter - Xante wants us to sign an agreement >> that says >> _ 12 month agreement with automatic renewal and the minimum >> commitment for >> the year is payable at the start of the agreement. Verbally, they >> denied it >> said that but it does. We said we want it amended to say that we >> pay as we >> purchase and they said no changes to the agreement. 1. Has anyone >> else been >> asked to sign this? 2. If so, have they charged your card for the full >> commitment at the start? Thanks >> Craig C. Baise >> Sutter Printing >> 916.446.0167 office >> www.sutterprinting.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > Loren Maurina > President > L & L Printing, Inc. > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren > > ph (586) 263-0060 > fx (586) 263-4895 > > Loren@InkOnPaper.biz > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Craig C. Baise Sutter Printing 916.446.0167 office www.sutterprinting.com From bob at gallagherprint.com Tue Jun 10 16:07:01 2008 From: bob at gallagherprint.com (Bob Gallagher) Date: Tue Jun 10 16:07:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM 6500 register problems In-Reply-To: <006901c8cb2c$7833f650$1c00a8c0@abf.local> Message-ID: On 6/10/08 3:02 PM, "Kevin Danko" wrote: We just went through the same issues. Finally got someone that knew what they were doing. There are a couple of firm ware upgrades that have to be installed. Have them check the Konica web site. Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 http://www.gallagherprint.com An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network From printer at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 10 16:09:00 2008 From: printer at sbcglobal.net (Don Black) Date: Tue Jun 10 16:09:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Weather Message-ID: <371205.73203.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm staying in Oklahoma because I love this hot weather.? However, the last 2 years it's been cooler than normal.?Usually in April, May and early June the tornado sirens are going off every other week.? I haven't heard one in 3 years here in Southern Oklahoma. ? Don Black Sprekelmeyer Printing Ardmore, Oklahoma www.PrintArdmore.com ----- Original Message ---- > From: Susan Compton > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:06:24 PM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Weather > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dan,? I hope so.? It's in the mid to upper 90s in Virginia.? I left Oklahoma > to get away from this stuff! > > Susan Wells Compton > Compton Design & Printing Inc. > 109 South Jefferson Street > Lexington, VA 24450 > 540-463-9232 > 540-464-4329 Fax > Susan@cdandp.net > www.cdandp.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Huntingford" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:03 PM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Weather > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Well, it was a sprightly 45 degrees this morning on the way in.? They say > > it could get up to 54 today.? They say it is the coldest June since 1890 > > something.? It's been snowing in the mountains, like two feet worth the > > other day. I know you can't read anything in particular into one year's > > weather, but man it's been cold this spring. > > I understand it been hot back east.? Hang on, coolness should be heading > > your way. > > > > Dan Huntingford > > SOS Printing > > 2319 Washington Street > > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > > sos@olympus.net > > (360) 385-4194? Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > __________ NOD32 3173 (20080610) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com Tue Jun 10 16:09:41 2008 From: jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com (Jim Quinn) Date: Tue Jun 10 16:13:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring it on!) In-Reply-To: <200806101848.m5AImmjG013427@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: Ah, but how else can you justify a 6+ trillion tax over the next 40 years called "cap & trade". Jim Quinn Sir Speedy 4043 15323 Midway Road Addison, TX 75001 Phone 972-788-4266 Fax 972-788-2367 jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:48 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring it on!) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Global warming is a crock, and history will reflect on it as the biggest hoax of the 21st century. Read the science for yourself. S. At 11:17 AM 6/10/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I find it amazing how whatever the temperature is in your area is >assumed to be cause for alarm. I must say we have been having >unusually cold weather (what does that mean?). David Letterman was >blaming global warming on New Yorks high temps (we used to call that a >heat wave and we seem to get them every year since I can remember). >Remember the song "Hot town summer in the city, back of my neck feels >dirty and gritty" Of course Tom Brokaw pointed out to Dave that him >driving his large car and flying on private jets with 2 people onboard >was not helping. > >Anyway, how does one start a campaign such as global warming which >causes everyone to talk about the campaign and some to even change >their lifestyles? >It seems to be the greatest marketing campaign of our times... >When I was in high school the talk was all about the coming ice age >and global cooling. What happened? > >_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > >Charles Lincoln >ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY >612 30th Avenue >Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 >(907) 451-1111 >fax (907) 451-4511 > >_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3173 (20080610) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jodib at blackfoot.net Tue Jun 10 16:16:05 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Tue Jun 10 16:16:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] template References: <20080201190550.27129DC5E78@rb.enter.net><000a01c86513$8daa6e80$6401a8c0@Chris><008601c86516$ce55e240$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <004601c8cb29$4dc28330$660000c8@LeslieXP> Message-ID: <013601c8cb36$d00a2f20$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Hmmmm.... Leslie I think they could try having the file as a tiff, placing it on their "Master Page" (in InDesign), make it cyan (or something other than black) and then type their new information on Page 1 of the document in black. Then when they go to PRINT, have it print separations and print black only. I have some rubber stamp templates set up that way so I know I'm formatting to the correct size and it seems to work just fine. I get the text only and no template. Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goodway Print and Copy" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:39 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] template > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi > > Is it possible to create a template from a pdf or indd file so the > customer > can type in the info and have it print on the preprinted forms they have > already had printed.?? > > Leslie McDonald > GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. > 15121 Ventura Blvd. > Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 > Phone:(818) 783-5172 > Fax:(818)783-8649 > goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com > www.goodwayprintcopy.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kevin at abfprints.com Tue Jun 10 16:09:01 2008 From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko) Date: Tue Jun 10 16:16:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM 6500 register problems In-Reply-To: <00eb01c8cb2f$fde7d6b0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> References: <4873FFE2.3070603@werkheiser.com> <0ffa01c8cb24$5ad181c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL><03d901c8cb24$b25c3e30$8302a8c0@Robbin><484EC984.3090607@commercialpressink.com><006901c8cb2c$7833f650$1c00a8c0@abf.local> <00eb01c8cb2f$fde7d6b0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <009201c8cb35$d31df440$1c00a8c0@abf.local> Thanks Kevin! Kevin Danko Advantage Business Forms 102 N. Riverside Ave. Rialto, CA 92376 Phone: (909) 875-7163 Fax: (909) 875-7971 www.abfprints.com E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kevin at PRO Printers Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:27 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] KM 6500 register problems ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Kevin: We had a similar issue with our CPP650. Turns out the imaging belt was getting slack on one side. Techs adjusted it once, replaced it once, then clued in and got it right. Each time it would be OK for a while then start printing crooked again and no way to get it straight until they showed up. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Danko" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:02 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] KM 6500 register problems > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have been having problems getting our KM 6500 to register when > duplexing > 11 x 17 or 12 x 18 regardless of what paper we use. The reps have been out > numerous times, anybody else dissatisfied with their registration? I know > it's not going to register like a press but it's skewing the sheet almost > an > 1/8 inch. We can't sell crooked work. > > Kevin Danko > Advantage Business Forms > 102 N. Riverside Ave. > Rialto, CA 92376 > Phone: (909) 875-7163 > Fax: (909) 875-7971 > www.abfprints.com > E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jodib at blackfoot.net Tue Jun 10 16:17:37 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Tue Jun 10 16:17:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help with Publisher 2003 References: <484EAA2F.8050506@clearnet.net><007901c8cb18$1e0fba60$0101a8c0@JodiPC><484EB2E0.8060604@clearnet.net><00cf01c8cb28$0f120a30$0101a8c0@JodiPC> <54039E7B-BB51-47DD-A845-01B8D24AC3D4@mac.com> Message-ID: <013b01c8cb37$06c87760$0101a8c0@JodiPC> hey thinks for the info.....I will certainly check this out. If they've done a Pack N Go will the fonts still work OK? or is it best that they embed the fonts? Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Help with Publisher 2003 > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > On Jun 10, 2008, at 2:30 PM, Jodi Bowser wrote: > >> I'd like to know if someone else has a different way they work with >> Publisher files that bleed. > > The bleeds are created when "printing " it or converting to pdf. Each > version is slightly different but in the print dialogue box is where you > can change the sheet it is printing on, crops and how much to bleed. > > The biggest hint I tell our customers is to never use any of the > "template" page sizes. Always create your own custom page even if it just > letter. All of the versions seem to handle bleeds with a custom page a > lot better than form the template pages. > > Did you know there is a plug in for indesign which opens Publisher files? > PUB2ID > If you have the fonts, it works great. (even on a mac) > > > Chuck Pappas > Arlington Swifty Printing > 1386 Massachusetts Avenue > Arlington, MA 02476 > 781-646-8700 > www.arlingtonswifty.com > Member: National Association of Quick Printers > Print Industry of New England > GATF > Adobe Service Network > Quark Alliance > Microsoft Publisher Provider > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Tue Jun 10 16:21:47 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Tue Jun 10 16:21:33 2008 Subject: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring iton!) In-Reply-To: <105701c8cb31$cbd74d20$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <105701c8cb31$cbd74d20$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <031d01c8cb37$9c5253a0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> I'd like to add to that. I think all this discussion about "global warming" is a distraction from the real issue. Ever since the industrial revolution we have been altering the earth's atmosphere (and water supply) with carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, methane and you name it. We have cut down most of the world's trees which absorb carbon dioxide from the air. Whether this is causing "global warming" or not is, in my humble opinion, a side issue. I think there has to be a price to be paid for all this disruption of the environment. Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:40 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring iton!) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Molacek" Discovery > Channel did some internet searches and listened to his Science teacher(pro > global warming). Bottom line he no longer believes in global warming. > Gee > if a 7th grader can figure it out you would think the guy who invented the > internet could. ====================== There clearly IS global warming. 15,000 years ago I would have been 3,000 feet under the surface of the ice where I sit right now. It has warmed up considerably. What is not clear is what causes this warming. No one year temperature record tells you anything. Even 100 years worth of temperature data might not tell you anything accurate about long term climate. It seems to go in cycles. La Nina, El Nino. Medieval warm period, subsequent cooling. If you look at pictures of earth from space, at night, and see all the lights glowing, it seems pretty obvious humans have wrought serious change to the surface of the earth. Could our carbon emissions be affecting climate. Seems possible, but no data that I've seen so far has convinced me of that. The next 100 to 1,000 years or so should tell the tale. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Tue Jun 10 16:30:52 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Tue Jun 10 16:30:57 2008 Subject: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring iton!) In-Reply-To: <031d01c8cb37$9c5253a0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> References: <105701c8cb31$cbd74d20$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <031d01c8cb37$9c5253a0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: <484EE47C.6030301@sugarloafprint.com> Gordon Watt wrote: > nd you name it. > > We have cut down most of the world's trees which absorb carbon dioxide from > the air. > http://www.wired.com/science/planetearth/magazine/16-06/ff_heresies_04forests -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Tue Jun 10 16:33:34 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Tue Jun 10 16:33:37 2008 Subject: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring iton!) In-Reply-To: <031d01c8cb37$9c5253a0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> References: <105701c8cb31$cbd74d20$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <031d01c8cb37$9c5253a0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: <484EE51E.50401@satx.rr.com> Yep about 8,00 a gallon to haul off used processor chemicals is one of them. Money down the tubes fro no good reason. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Gordon Watt wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'd like to add to that. > > I think all this discussion about "global warming" is a distraction from the > real issue. > > Ever since the industrial revolution we have been altering the earth's > atmosphere (and water supply) with carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, methane > and you name it. > > We have cut down most of the world's trees which absorb carbon dioxide from > the air. > > Whether this is causing "global warming" or not is, in my humble opinion, a > side issue. I think there has to be a price to be paid for all this > disruption of the environment. > > Gordon Watt > Xoxo Cyberprint Inc > Toronto > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:40 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring > iton!) > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Molacek" > Discovery > >> Channel did some internet searches and listened to his Science teacher(pro >> global warming). Bottom line he no longer believes in global warming. >> Gee >> if a 7th grader can figure it out you would think the guy who invented the >> internet could. >> > ====================== > > There clearly IS global warming. 15,000 years ago I would have been 3,000 > feet under the surface of the ice where I sit right now. It has warmed up > considerably. What is not clear is what causes this warming. No one year > temperature record tells you anything. Even 100 years worth of temperature > data might not tell you anything accurate about long term climate. > It seems to go in cycles. > La Nina, El Nino. > Medieval warm period, subsequent cooling. > > If you look at pictures of earth from space, at night, and see all the > lights glowing, it seems pretty obvious humans have wrought serious change > to the surface of the earth. Could our carbon emissions be affecting > climate. Seems possible, but no data that I've seen so far has convinced me > > of that. > > The next 100 to 1,000 years or so should tell the tale. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From tufelkinder at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 16:33:54 2008 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Tue Jun 10 16:34:06 2008 Subject: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring iton!) In-Reply-To: <031d01c8cb37$9c5253a0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> References: <105701c8cb31$cbd74d20$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <031d01c8cb37$9c5253a0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0806101333y2190d167q427f732f93812fd9@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Gordon Watt wrote: > > I'd like to add to that. > > We have cut down most of the world's trees which absorb carbon dioxide from > the air. http://www.mongabay.com/deforestation.htm Worldwide there's a net loss of .2% of forest area (Net gain of .2% in the U.S.) from 1990 to 2000. Look back further at the statistics and you'll find that we are not even close to cutting down "most of the world's trees." In fact, the more a nation becomes industrialized, the less they rely on trees for fuel and other uses. It's the 3rd-world countries that are losing their forests the fastest. Global warming happens first. This causes an increase in CO2, not the other way around. Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA 800-955-3902 http://mercersburg.net tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ What color is a chameleon on a mirror? From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Tue Jun 10 16:45:24 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Tue Jun 10 16:45:08 2008 Subject: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bringiton!) In-Reply-To: <484EE47C.6030301@sugarloafprint.com> References: <105701c8cb31$cbd74d20$6900a8c0@DANIEL><031d01c8cb37$9c5253a0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> <484EE47C.6030301@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: <031e01c8cb3a$e90f12c0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Yes, Ron, you make a good point. I know there is some truth to this. In fact, the warming climate in British Columbia is causing a massive infestation of, I think it's called the Spruce Budworm, which is rapidly destroying the spruce forests there and these trees are emitting copious amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere as they die. I am still of the opinion, however, that trees on balance, absorb a lot more CO2 than they emit. No, I can't back that up. Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Sardo Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:31 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bringiton!) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Gordon Watt wrote: > nd you name it. > > We have cut down most of the world's trees which absorb carbon dioxide from > the air. > http://www.wired.com/science/planetearth/magazine/16-06/ff_heresies_04forest s -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 . Fax: 570-788-6077 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Tue Jun 10 16:48:21 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Tue Jun 10 16:48:05 2008 Subject: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bringiton!) In-Reply-To: <84f70d5e0806101333y2190d167q427f732f93812fd9@mail.gmail.com> References: <105701c8cb31$cbd74d20$6900a8c0@DANIEL><031d01c8cb37$9c5253a0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> <84f70d5e0806101333y2190d167q427f732f93812fd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <031f01c8cb3b$5236ef20$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Well, Walt, all of Europe and North America were thickly forested at one time not so long ago. That's a lot of acreage. Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Walt Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:34 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bringiton!) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Gordon Watt wrote: > > I'd like to add to that. > > We have cut down most of the world's trees which absorb carbon dioxide from > the air. http://www.mongabay.com/deforestation.htm Worldwide there's a net loss of .2% of forest area (Net gain of .2% in the U.S.) from 1990 to 2000. Look back further at the statistics and you'll find that we are not even close to cutting down "most of the world's trees." In fact, the more a nation becomes industrialized, the less they rely on trees for fuel and other uses. It's the 3rd-world countries that are losing their forests the fastest. Global warming happens first. This causes an increase in CO2, not the other way around. Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA 800-955-3902 http://mercersburg.net tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ What color is a chameleon on a mirror? _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kevin at proprinters.ca Tue Jun 10 16:52:12 2008 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin at PRO Printers) Date: Tue Jun 10 16:52:16 2008 Subject: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bringiton!) References: <105701c8cb31$cbd74d20$6900a8c0@DANIEL><031d01c8cb37$9c5253a0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1><484EE47C.6030301@sugarloafprint.com> <031e01c8cb3a$e90f12c0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: <015d01c8cb3b$db69eb80$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> Trees absorb CO2 and release oxygen when they're living. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Watt" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:45 PM Subject: RE: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bringiton!) > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Yes, Ron, you make a good point. I know there is some truth to this. In > fact, the warming climate in British Columbia is causing a massive > infestation of, I think it's called the Spruce Budworm, which is rapidly > destroying the spruce forests there and these trees are emitting copious > amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere as they die. > > I am still of the opinion, however, that trees on balance, absorb a lot > more > CO2 than they emit. No, I can't back that up. > > Gordon Watt > Xoxo Cyberprint Inc > Toronto > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Sardo > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:31 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - > bringiton!) > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Gordon Watt wrote: >> nd you name it. >> >> We have cut down most of the world's trees which absorb carbon dioxide > from >> the air. >> > > http://www.wired.com/science/planetearth/magazine/16-06/ff_heresies_04forest > s > > > > -- > Ron Sardo > Sugarloaf Print Shop > mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com > www.sugarloafprint.com > 570-788-5099 . Fax: 570-788-6077 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Jun 10 16:55:30 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 10 16:55:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL to suspend home deliveries Message-ID: For those of you who use DHL, I found the announcement below interesting: "DHL Express just confirmed with PARCEL that it will discontinue the DHL@home product effective September 1, 2008. The service tendered packages to the USPS for final delivery, reducing costs for the shipper." 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(http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 10 17:31:13 2008 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Tue Jun 10 17:28:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help with Publisher 2003 References: <484EAA2F.8050506@clearnet.net><007901c8cb18$1e0fba60$0101a8c0@JodiPC><484EB2E0.8060604@clearnet.net><00cf01c8cb28$0f120a30$0101a8c0@JodiPC><54039E7B-BB51-47DD-A845-01B8D24AC3D4@mac.com> <013b01c8cb37$06c87760$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Message-ID: <00ec01c8cb41$4f292b30$0301a8c0@Leah> The Pack and Go is intended to collect all the fonts and art work, pack it in a bundle for you to unpack and have everything you need. Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jodi Bowser" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Help with Publisher 2003 > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > hey thinks for the info.....I will certainly check this out. If they've > done a Pack N Go will the fonts still work OK? > or is it best that they embed the fonts? > > Jodi Bowser > Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana > www.pyramidprintingmt.com > jodib@blackfoot.net > Member NAQP #205787 > Member Garden City BNI > 406-728-1503 > fax 406-728-0505 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:40 PM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Help with Publisher 2003 > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> On Jun 10, 2008, at 2:30 PM, Jodi Bowser wrote: >> >>> I'd like to know if someone else has a different way they work with >>> Publisher files that bleed. >> >> The bleeds are created when "printing " it or converting to pdf. Each >> version is slightly different but in the print dialogue box is where you >> can change the sheet it is printing on, crops and how much to bleed. >> >> The biggest hint I tell our customers is to never use any of the >> "template" page sizes. Always create your own custom page even if it >> just letter. All of the versions seem to handle bleeds with a custom >> page a lot better than form the template pages. >> >> Did you know there is a plug in for indesign which opens Publisher >> files? >> PUB2ID >> If you have the fonts, it works great. (even on a mac) >> >> >> Chuck Pappas >> Arlington Swifty Printing >> 1386 Massachusetts Avenue >> Arlington, MA 02476 >> 781-646-8700 >> www.arlingtonswifty.com >> Member: National Association of Quick Printers >> Print Industry of New England >> GATF >> Adobe Service Network >> Quark Alliance >> Microsoft Publisher Provider >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From slb at inkspot.net Tue Jun 10 18:08:19 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Jun 10 18:08:42 2008 Subject: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring iton!) In-Reply-To: <031d01c8cb37$9c5253a0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> References: , <105701c8cb31$cbd74d20$6900a8c0@DANIEL>, <031d01c8cb37$9c5253a0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: <484EC313.9659.6EB4D7A@slb.inkspot.net> > I'd like to add to that. > > I think all this discussion about "global warming" is a distraction from the > real issue. > True. The real issue here is the left's desire to control us and our economy. "Gorebal Warming" is the current manifestation of that desire. > Ever since the industrial revolution we have been altering the earth's > atmosphere (and water supply) with carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, methane > and you name it. > Also true, but, at least in the US (and similarly wealthy countries), we've stopped most of it, and allowed it to clean itself up naturally, since about the 1970s. If you look at the data, our air is much less polluted now (even in LA ) than it was 30 year ago. > We have cut down most of the world's trees which absorb carbon dioxide from > the air. > Ahhhh...methinks you might need to check your data on this one. In New England, for example, there are many more acres of forest now than there were in the 1800s. Trees are a renewable resource. Even the paper and lumber companies now plant many more than they cut. > Whether this is causing "global warming" or not is, in my humble opinion, a > side issue. I think there has to be a price to be paid for all this > disruption of the environment. > Once again, if you look at the data (even that chart in Gore's movie), CO2 levels lag temperature levels by about 800 years. In other words, higher temperatures result in higher CO2 levels. The Gorebal Warming hysterics have the causation backwards. It's also instructive to note that it's only after a country's economy produces enough wealth that survival isn't an issue, that the citizens can devote a portion of that wealth to activities that leave a cleaner environment. China, for example, is at the "raw survival" stage, and you can see that, in their haste to add more power generation capacity, they don't pay a lot of attention to pollution. Taxing energy production back to the stoned age is going to put US back to a survival economy. If the left really gave a damn about the environment, they'd want as much wealth generation as possible in every society, so we'd have the resources to devote to what are, from a survival perspective, side issues. YMMV, Steve (MIT '79) > Gordon Watt > Xoxo Cyberprint Inc > Toronto > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:40 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring > iton!) > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Molacek" > Discovery > > Channel did some internet searches and listened to his Science teacher(pro > > global warming). Bottom line he no longer believes in global warming. > > Gee > > if a 7th grader can figure it out you would think the guy who invented the > > internet could. > ====================== > > There clearly IS global warming. 15,000 years ago I would have been 3,000 > feet under the surface of the ice where I sit right now. It has warmed up > considerably. What is not clear is what causes this warming. No one year > temperature record tells you anything. Even 100 years worth of temperature > data might not tell you anything accurate about long term climate. > It seems to go in cycles. > La Nina, El Nino. > Medieval warm period, subsequent cooling. > > If you look at pictures of earth from space, at night, and see all the > lights glowing, it seems pretty obvious humans have wrought serious change > to the surface of the earth. Could our carbon emissions be affecting > climate. Seems possible, but no data that I've seen so far has convinced me > > of that. > > The next 100 to 1,000 years or so should tell the tale. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3174 (20080610) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From slb at inkspot.net Tue Jun 10 18:11:37 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Jun 10 18:11:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help with Publisher 2003 In-Reply-To: <013b01c8cb37$06c87760$0101a8c0@JodiPC> References: <484EAA2F.8050506@clearnet.net>, <013b01c8cb37$06c87760$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Message-ID: <484EC3D9.27897.6EE5262@slb.inkspot.net> Pack N Go does the following: 1. Saves the embedded graphics as files, and links to them 2. Embeds all fonts for which embedding is allowed 3. Makes a compressed archive of the document, links, and embedded fonts. So, unless you need a font that doesn't embed, or you end up with a corrupt embedded font, you should have what you need. HTH, Steve > > hey thinks for the info.....I will certainly check this out. If they've > done a Pack N Go will the fonts still work OK? > or is it best that they embed the fonts? > > Jodi Bowser > Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana > www.pyramidprintingmt.com > jodib@blackfoot.net > Member NAQP #205787 > Member Garden City BNI > 406-728-1503 > fax 406-728-0505 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:40 PM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Help with Publisher 2003 > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > On Jun 10, 2008, at 2:30 PM, Jodi Bowser wrote: > > > >> I'd like to know if someone else has a different way they work with > >> Publisher files that bleed. > > > > The bleeds are created when "printing " it or converting to pdf. Each > > version is slightly different but in the print dialogue box is where you > > can change the sheet it is printing on, crops and how much to bleed. > > > > The biggest hint I tell our customers is to never use any of the > > "template" page sizes. Always create your own custom page even if it just > > letter. All of the versions seem to handle bleeds with a custom page a > > lot better than form the template pages. > > > > Did you know there is a plug in for indesign which opens Publisher files? > > PUB2ID > > If you have the fonts, it works great. (even on a mac) > > > > > > Chuck Pappas > > Arlington Swifty Printing > > 1386 Massachusetts Avenue > > Arlington, MA 02476 > > 781-646-8700 > > www.arlingtonswifty.com > > Member: National Association of Quick Printers > > Print Industry of New England > > GATF > > Adobe Service Network > > Quark Alliance > > Microsoft Publisher Provider > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3174 (20080610) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From slb at inkspot.net Tue Jun 10 19:26:35 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Jun 10 19:26:59 2008 Subject: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bringiton!) In-Reply-To: <015d01c8cb3b$db69eb80$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> References: , <015d01c8cb3b$db69eb80$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <484ED56B.4264.732F7B3@slb.inkspot.net> Actually, there are two mechanisms at work. Like most earth-based life forms, green plants "breathe" oxygen and "exhale" CO2 to get their metabolic processes to work. In addition, though green plants manufacture sugars using the energy in sunlight. That's photosynthesis, which requires CO2 as an input, and gives off oxygen as part of its output. On balance, in green plants, the photosynthesis is the larger effect, so, in the net, you're correct--trees give off much more CO2 than they use O2. Steve > > Trees absorb CO2 and release oxygen when they're living. > > Kevin Kerr > Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. > 1900 Merivale Rd. > Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 > Tel 613-727-9444 > Fax 613-727-1945 > kevin@proprinters.ca > www.proprinters.ca > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gordon Watt" > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:45 PM > Subject: RE: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - > bringiton!) > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Yes, Ron, you make a good point. I know there is some truth to this. In > > fact, the warming climate in British Columbia is causing a massive > > infestation of, I think it's called the Spruce Budworm, which is rapidly > > destroying the spruce forests there and these trees are emitting copious > > amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere as they die. > > > > I am still of the opinion, however, that trees on balance, absorb a lot > > more > > CO2 than they emit. No, I can't back that up. > > > > Gordon Watt > > Xoxo Cyberprint Inc > > Toronto > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Sardo > > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:31 PM > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - > > bringiton!) > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Gordon Watt wrote: > >> nd you name it. > >> > >> We have cut down most of the world's trees which absorb carbon dioxide > > from > >> the air. > >> > > > > http://www.wired.com/science/planetearth/magazine/16-06/ff_heresies_04forest > > s > > > > > > > > -- > > Ron Sardo > > Sugarloaf Print Shop > > mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com > > www.sugarloafprint.com > > 570-788-5099 . Fax: 570-788-6077 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3174 (20080610) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From bill at werkheiser.com Tue Jun 10 19:55:15 2008 From: bill at werkheiser.com (Bill Werkheiser) Date: Tue Jun 10 19:53:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xante / Rip It Consumable agreement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <484F1463.3090506@werkheiser.com> Initially I didn't want to sign it but once you have a service issue, it really is a good deal. It includes the software upgrades and a loaner machine if needed I think. Our plate usage has gone down due to so much going to the DI so I had to pay for a couple of rolls that I did not order to fulfil the contract last year. If you look at the big picture, this is a small price to pay for the work that the RIP-It does. We bought ours 8-10 years ago and we have had to send it to the left coast twice and had to order parts 4-5 times during it's lifetime and it still keeps kicking out plates. Never down over two days...I would say that's quite a bargain for a machine that cost around 30 grand. BTW, I believe my date is correct on my home computer. Bill Werkheiser http://WeLoveToPrint.com SE PrinTech / Coastal Mailing Services P O Box 27 - 315 E Banks St. Glennville, GA 30427 (912) 654-3610 phone (912) 654-3611 fax Craig Baise wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have a rip it imagesetter - Xante wants us to sign an agreement that says > _ 12 month agreement with automatic renewal and the minimum commitment for > the year is payable at the start of the agreement. Verbally, they denied it > said that but it does. We said we want it amended to say that we pay as we > purchase and they said no changes to the agreement. 1. Has anyone else been > asked to sign this? 2. If so, have they charged your card for the full > commitment at the start? Thanks > Craig C. Baise > Sutter Printing > 916.446.0167 office > www.sutterprinting.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3169 (20080609) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > From printer at ptialaska.net Tue Jun 10 20:55:36 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Tue Jun 10 20:55:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Windows on a Mac Message-ID: <255A1748-FA4C-4C7E-A1DF-E1354FD295FE@ptialaska.net> Which do you prefer, VMFusion or Parallels? On a Macbook... Thanks, Chuck _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From acepm2 at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 21:21:56 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Tue Jun 10 21:22:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL to suspend home deliveries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: John, Think about the USPS. What if they decided to end home delivery? What about every other day? What about home delivery only on Mon, Wed & Fri? Yes, I know some folks are going to say "that's a dumb idea." I didn't say it was mine.... I'm not a decision maker for the USPS. Some of the smaller towns here (and I'm sure some of you folks reading this) only have Post Office Box delivery. Think what would happen if they make EVERYONE go to Post Office Box delivery? Would the savings in gas reduce the postage cost? HA! Doubt it. But don't think that these ideas have not been tossed around....... Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:55 PM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > For those of you who use DHL, I found the announcement below interesting: > > "DHL Express just confirmed with PARCEL that it will discontinue the > DHL@home product effective September 1, 2008. The service tendered > packages to the > USPS for final delivery, reducing costs for the shipper." > > I would be surprised if other shipping companies haven't at least > considered > this option as well, when you consider the additional hassles of home > deliveries (no one home, possible fraud, much larger routes, driving, > etc.) > > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best > 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102 > ) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From eric at printdigitalinc.com Tue Jun 10 21:56:49 2008 From: eric at printdigitalinc.com (Eric Weber) Date: Tue Jun 10 21:56:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] C6500 - KM Corporate or independent dealer?? Message-ID: <54620.192.168.1.70.1213149409.webmail@192.168.1.70> We are strongly considering a KM c6500. I have two proposals from independent dealers - both matching national contract pricing. One even throwing in the first 50,000 clicks. I called the National Account Manager and he is strongly urging purchasing direct from the Konica-Minolta branch in my area. Lots of sales blab as to why ... blah, blah, blah. His strongest point might be (as I see it) that the K-M direct route would better take care of engineering retrofits (and the like) after purchase. He claims the independent dealers would probably do nothing of that sort. Anyone have any experience to that effect?? TIA ... *********************************************** Eric Weber Sales / General Manager / Vice President PrintDigital Inc. 4688 Darrow Rd., Stow, OH 44224 330-686-5945 Fax 330-686-5329 www.printdigitalinc.com eric@printdigitalinc.com ***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and delete this copy from your system. Thank you for your co-operation. *********************************************** From printer at ptialaska.net Tue Jun 10 21:56:59 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Tue Jun 10 21:57:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HELP with new Harddrive Message-ID: <764B8D0A-E152-4013-A58E-FC394F523BF8@ptialaska.net> I just installed an new 1TB harddrive in my mac G5 quad. It has been working great. Today I went to disk utility to reformat a new 1TB backup drive and noticed the new internal 1TB saying THE DRIVE HAS REPORTED A FATAL HARDWARE FAILURE. When I tried Disk Warrior it said the S.M.A.R.T. is reporting a fatal drive failure. It seems to be working great. What does this mean? _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue Jun 10 22:39:54 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:39:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] C6500 - KM Corporate or independent dealer?? In-Reply-To: <54620.192.168.1.70.1213149409.webmail@192.168.1.70> References: <54620.192.168.1.70.1213149409.webmail@192.168.1.70> Message-ID: <004d01c8cb6c$6e5b1ab0$6401a8c0@coranew> Eric, I bought a CS550 from an Independent dealer and got real good pricing, but they admit that this is the first machine of this kind that they have sold and know nothing about it. They have one guy trained on the mechanical part of it, but he doesn't know it all and one guy that is the IT person, but they are so busy servicing all the other brands that they have, that they are not up to speed on my copier so I am mostly on my own. They are really nice and gave me a really good price, but I wonder if I had gone with the Konica Minolta people if I would have gotten better service. These guys will get it eventually, but I am having to do most of the figuring myself....: ( I ask about service before I bought this machine and they assured me that they had enough people trained to take care of me. I will stick with them and I like them, so I will suffer in silence It is doing a good job, there are just some things that it would be so nice to be able to ask someone about Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Jun 10 23:11:49 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 10 23:11:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL to suspend home deliveries Message-ID: In a message dated 6/10/2008 9:23:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, acepm2@gmail.com writes: Think about the USPS. What if they decided to end home delivery? What about every other day? What about home delivery only on Mon, Wed & Fri? Actually, there is no sound reason for 6-day delivery by USPS... think of the money that could be saved just by eliminating that "extra" day. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) From oren66 at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 10 23:16:22 2008 From: oren66 at sbcglobal.net (Arie Teomi) Date: Tue Jun 10 23:16:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] C6500 - KM Corporate or independent dealer?? In-Reply-To: <54620.192.168.1.70.1213149409.webmail@192.168.1.70> Message-ID: <935949.29737.qm@web83403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Eric, We purchased the C-500 3 years ago from KMBS. We have had different issues. Some of them are still pending. However, The KMBS people are trying so hard to help and find interim solutions. They have IT people, different Techs and are great people. I don't know if these people will service you but you can call me. I can give you differnt names and you call call and and talk to them. Arie LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT Cleveland, OH --- Eric Weber wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > We are strongly considering a KM c6500. > > I have two proposals from independent dealers - both > matching national contract pricing. One even > throwing in the first 50,000 clicks. > > I called the National Account Manager and he is > strongly urging purchasing direct from the > Konica-Minolta branch in my area. Lots of sales blab > as to why ... blah, blah, blah. > > His strongest point might be (as I see it) that the > K-M direct route would better take care of > engineering retrofits (and the like) after purchase. > He claims the independent dealers would probably do > nothing of that sort. > > Anyone have any experience to that effect?? > > TIA ... > > *********************************************** > Eric Weber > Sales / General Manager / Vice President > > PrintDigital Inc. > 4688 Darrow Rd., Stow, OH 44224 > 330-686-5945 Fax 330-686-5329 > www.printdigitalinc.com eric@printdigitalinc.com > > ***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: > This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and > may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not > the intended recipient, be aware that any > disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this > e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have > received this e-mail in error, please notify us > immediately by returning it to the sender and delete > this copy from your system. Thank you for your > co-operation. > *********************************************** > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner From oren66 at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 10 23:22:32 2008 From: oren66 at sbcglobal.net (Arie Teomi) Date: Tue Jun 10 23:22:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL to suspend home deliveries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <325096.38914.qm@web83413.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thom, I don't believe it will Happen. The USPS is very interested in handling packages. Their representatives mentioned it several time during the recent Mail-Com. They said (I did not check it) that they are very competitive. Arie --- Thom Gulyas wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > John, > > Think about the USPS. What if they decided to end > home delivery? What about > every other day? What about home delivery only on > Mon, Wed & Fri? > > Yes, I know some folks are going to say "that's a > dumb idea." I didn't say > it was mine.... I'm not a decision maker for the > USPS. > > Some of the smaller towns here (and I'm sure some of > you folks reading this) > only have Post Office Box delivery. Think what would > happen if they make > EVERYONE go to Post Office Box delivery? > > Would the savings in gas reduce the postage cost? > HA! Doubt it. > > But don't think that these ideas have not been > tossed around....... > > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > www.acepm.com > > > > > On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:55 PM, > wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > For those of you who use DHL, I found the > announcement below interesting: > > > > "DHL Express just confirmed with PARCEL that it > will discontinue the > > DHL@home product effective September 1, 2008. The > service tendered > > packages to the > > USPS for final delivery, reducing costs for the > shipper." > > > > I would be surprised if other shipping companies > haven't at least > > considered > > this option as well, when you consider the > additional hassles of home > > deliveries (no one home, possible fraud, much > larger routes, driving, > > etc.) > > > > > > > > John Stewart > > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ > (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > > Cell: 321-794-6259 > > _www.quickconsultant.com_ > (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > > > > > **************Vote for your city's best dining and > nightlife. City's Best > > 2008. > (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102 > > ) > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > -- > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > Berlin, Maryland 21811 > www.acepm.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Jun 10 23:49:42 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Jun 10 23:50:30 2008 Subject: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bringiton!) In-Reply-To: <015d01c8cb3b$db69eb80$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> References: <105701c8cb31$cbd74d20$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <031d01c8cb37$9c5253a0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> <484EE47C.6030301@sugarloafprint.com> <031e01c8cb3a$e90f12c0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> <015d01c8cb3b$db69eb80$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <200806110350.m5B3oGjS011124@i2bnetworks.com> Opinions aside, its a bit more complicated.... This might be a good place to start: http://tinyurl.com/2l8wdo I would say that contrary to what this says: the public is not more enlightened, if anything, they're more confused because to many non-qualified mouths (read: Hollywood) continue to spew ignorant, uneducated, false information. But because they're celebrity, people listen. The reality is that these models just begin to scratch what we know, and don't know about atmospheric chemistry. The truth is, mother GAIA is one tough gal. She's got systems within systems, within systems that we've not even begun to understand that keep things balanced. Meanwhile, the nonsense dribbles on.... S. At 01:52 PM 6/10/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Trees absorb CO2 and release oxygen when they're living. > >Kevin Kerr >Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. >1900 Merivale Rd. >Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 >Tel 613-727-9444 >Fax 613-727-1945 >kevin@proprinters.ca >www.proprinters.ca > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Watt" >To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > >Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:45 PM >Subject: RE: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - >bringiton!) > > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>Yes, Ron, you make a good point. I know there is some truth to this. In >>fact, the warming climate in British Columbia is causing a massive >>infestation of, I think it's called the Spruce Budworm, which is rapidly >>destroying the spruce forests there and these trees are emitting copious >>amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere as they die. >> >>I am still of the opinion, however, that trees on balance, absorb a lot more >>CO2 than they emit. No, I can't back that up. >> >>Gordon Watt >>Xoxo Cyberprint Inc >>Toronto >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >>[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Sardo >>Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:31 PM >>To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >>Subject: Re: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - >>bringiton!) >> >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>Gordon Watt wrote: >>>nd you name it. >>> >>>We have cut down most of the world's trees which absorb carbon dioxide >>from >>>the air. >> >>http://www.wired.com/science/planetearth/magazine/16-06/ff_heresies_04forest >>s >> >> >> >>-- >>Ron Sardo >>Sugarloaf Print Shop >>mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com >>www.sugarloafprint.com >>570-788-5099 . Fax: 570-788-6077 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3174 (20080610) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From swiftyprinting at mac.com Wed Jun 11 06:36:17 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Wed Jun 11 06:36:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Windows on a Mac In-Reply-To: <255A1748-FA4C-4C7E-A1DF-E1354FD295FE@ptialaska.net> References: <255A1748-FA4C-4C7E-A1DF-E1354FD295FE@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: On Jun 10, 2008, at 8:55 PM, Charles A. Lincoln wrote: > Which do you prefer, VMFusion or Parallels? Parallels by far. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From greg at pressexpress.org Wed Jun 11 08:22:22 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed Jun 11 08:22:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HELP with new Harddrive In-Reply-To: <764B8D0A-E152-4013-A58E-FC394F523BF8@ptialaska.net> References: <764B8D0A-E152-4013-A58E-FC394F523BF8@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <6D358834-F354-402C-B965-C4821A590DF7@pressexpress.org> Back up your data immediately. The SMART feature noticed something wrong with the drive. Spin speed, read/write speed, something. New drives usually do one of two things. They either seem to last indefinitely, or they crash within the first 30 days if defective. Anyway, it seems you have a bad drive. Take it up with the company you got it from and get it replaced under it's warranty. Greg On Jun 10, 2008, at 8:56 PM, Charles A. Lincoln wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I just installed an new 1TB harddrive in my mac G5 quad. It has been > working great. Today I went to disk utility to reformat a new 1TB > backup drive and noticed the new internal 1TB saying THE DRIVE HAS > REPORTED A FATAL HARDWARE FAILURE. When I tried Disk Warrior it said > the S.M.A.R.T. is reporting a fatal drive failure. It seems to be > working great. What does this mean? > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From sgfinke at fuse.net Wed Jun 11 08:46:27 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Wed Jun 11 08:44:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring it on!) In-Reply-To: <489F0533.30501.649ACC0@slb.inkspot.net> References: <4873FFE2.3070603@werkheiser.com>, <03d901c8cb24$b25c3e30$8302a8c0@Robbin>, <6073A9AA-24C2-4F8F-BAB2-57D0B8ECDB99@ptialaska.net> <489F0533.30501.649ACC0@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: How about this one: Choose a cause that will allow you to feel virtuous about making small changes in your life (recycling your trash, changing to a different kind of light bulb) while at the same time preaching about how other people should make huge changes to theirs. I was president of my high school Ecology Club 25 years ago, I've been recycling since before it was "cool." I have an organic garden and don't use lawn chemicals, and I have never bought an SUV or high mileage car. To me these sorts of things just make sense. But I don't believe the nonsense about Global Warming, and I won't until the true believer crowd all move to small houses, start bicycling, and worry more about their own "carbon footprint" than about mine. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Aug 10, 2008, at 3:11 PM, Steve Blatman wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> Anyway, how does one start a campaign such as global warming which >> causes everyone to talk about the campaign and some to even change >> their lifestyles? > > > 1. Pay no attention to the relevant scientific data. > > 2. Choose a cause that enables you to feel virtuous about saving > something, or rescuing something from some putative evil force, > regardless of whether either the feeling of virtue or the putative > evil is, in fact, virtuous or evil, respectively. This works better > with people for whom it is a substitute for a conventional religious > belief system. > > 3. Make sure your chosen cause will require a virtuous or enlightened > minority to exert control over the lives and choices of those seen as > less virtuous, less enlightened, less educated, less sophisticated, > or otherwise classifiable as "the great unwashed." > > If you've chosen well, you'll fire the imagination of the left, which > will play well with the mainstream media and the hollyweird types, > and your battle will be only a matter of time.... > > YMMV, > Steve > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From sgfinke at fuse.net Wed Jun 11 08:56:38 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Wed Jun 11 08:54:57 2008 Subject: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring iton!) In-Reply-To: <484EC313.9659.6EB4D7A@slb.inkspot.net> References: , <105701c8cb31$cbd74d20$6900a8c0@DANIEL>, <031d01c8cb37$9c5253a0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> <484EC313.9659.6EB4D7A@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <1293B727-73F2-4EAA-98B2-820709BB71CA@fuse.net> On Jun 10, 2008, at 6:08 PM, Steve Blatman wrote: > > > It's also instructive to note that it's only after a country's > economy produces enough wealth that survival isn't an issue, that the > citizens can devote a portion of that wealth to activities that leave > a cleaner environment. China, for example, is at the "raw survival" > stage, and you can see that, in their haste to add more power > generation capacity, they don't pay a lot of attention to pollution. > Taxing energy production back to the stoned age is going to put US > back to a survival economy. If the left really gave a damn about the > environment, they'd want as much wealth generation as possible in > every society, so we'd have the resources to devote to what are, from > a survival perspective, side issues. > Just like countries that prosper have a lower birthrate, so trying to get third world countries (either by brute force, like China, or coersion, like the UN) to have smaller families so that they will prosper is going about things all wrong. We have the luxury of being in the position to be able to care about our environment, so we clean up our mess, but we think people who are at the economic stage we were when our pollution was the worst should just quit it. We have the luxury (after centuries of bloody wars) to live in peace, so we think people whose political stage is not settled should just stop fighting. We expect a lot of other people that we didn't do, and we expect them to do it without the only reasons that were compelling for us, just because we say so. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com From meadows at allegranet.com Wed Jun 11 09:25:00 2008 From: meadows at allegranet.com (Michael Tarpinian) Date: Wed Jun 11 09:27:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Windows on a Mac In-Reply-To: <255A1748-FA4C-4C7E-A1DF-E1354FD295FE@ptialaska.net> References: <255A1748-FA4C-4C7E-A1DF-E1354FD295FE@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <18585A32-7135-4373-ABB9-63F4C3AE602A@allegranet.com> Charles, No question. VMware Fusion. We tried Parallels on 3 different Macs. It is not sitting on a shelf. - - - - - - Michael Tarpinian Allegra Print & Imaging 5410 Newport Drive, Suite 31 Rolling Meadows, IL 60008 T 847/398-2500 F 847/398-2979 www.allegraUSA.com Printing | Mailing | Posters & Banners | Promotional Products On Jun 10, 2008, at 7:55 PM, Charles A. Lincoln wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Which do you prefer, VMFusion or Parallels? On a Macbook... > > Thanks, > Chuck > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kk1127 at mindspring.com Wed Jun 11 09:39:05 2008 From: kk1127 at mindspring.com (John Hughes) Date: Wed Jun 11 09:39:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL to suspend home deliveries References: Message-ID: <003e01c8cbc8$876cc790$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> John, Won't you miss getting your bills on Sat? John Hughes Kwik Kopy Printing kk1127@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] DHL to suspend home deliveries > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 6/10/2008 9:23:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > acepm2@gmail.com writes: > > Think about the USPS. What if they decided to end home delivery? What > about > every other day? What about home delivery only on Mon, Wed & Fri? > > > > Actually, there is no sound reason for 6-day delivery by USPS... think of > the money that could be saved just by eliminating that "extra" day. > > John Stewart > The Quick Consultant > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > 321-727-2442 > FAX 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > > Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ > (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > By Larry Hunt and myself. > > > > **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best > 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Wed Jun 11 10:12:47 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Wed Jun 11 10:12:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL to suspend home deliveries In-Reply-To: <325096.38914.qm@web83413.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <325096.38914.qm@web83413.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <484FDD5F.7070403@satx.rr.com> I don't know about that. I recently sent a chunk of wood to a friend in PA. USPS wanted 98.00 to send it. UPS charged 51.00. Quite a difference there. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Arie Teomi wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thom, > I don't believe it will Happen. The USPS is very > interested in handling packages. Their representatives > mentioned it several time during the recent Mail-Com. > They said (I did not check it) that they are very > competitive. > > Arie > > > > From slb at inkspot.net Wed Jun 11 10:15:04 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Jun 11 10:15:26 2008 Subject: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bringiton!) In-Reply-To: <200806110350.m5B3oGjS011124@i2bnetworks.com> References: , <015d01c8cb3b$db69eb80$1f00a8c0@promerivale1>, <200806110350.m5B3oGjS011124@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <484FA5A8.6046.A60686C@slb.inkspot.net> It's also worth checking out this guy's stuff: http://www.lomborg.com/ He thought debunking "antienvironment" positions would be a good project for a seminar he was teaching. He and his students found, contrary to their expectations, that the "environmentalists" were almost universally wrong, and those attempting to reign them in were almost universally correct. He published those results in his book, "The Skeptical Environmentalist." His new book, "Cool It: The Skeptical Environmentalist's Guide to Global Warming" is just as thorough, and, if the footnotes check as well, just as accurate. IMO, both should be required reading for our Senate and Congress. YMMV, Steve > > > Opinions aside, its a bit more complicated.... > > This might be a good place to start: > > http://tinyurl.com/2l8wdo > > I would say that contrary to what this says: the public is not more > enlightened, if anything, they're more confused because to many > non-qualified mouths (read: Hollywood) continue to spew ignorant, > uneducated, false information. But because they're celebrity, people listen. > > The reality is that these models just begin to scratch what we know, > and don't know about atmospheric chemistry. > > The truth is, mother GAIA is one tough gal. > > She's got systems within systems, within systems that we've not even > begun to understand that keep things balanced. > > Meanwhile, the nonsense dribbles on.... > > S. > > > > > > At 01:52 PM 6/10/2008, you wrote: > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >Trees absorb CO2 and release oxygen when they're living. > > > >Kevin Kerr > >Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. > >1900 Merivale Rd. > >Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 > >Tel 613-727-9444 > >Fax 613-727-1945 > >kevin@proprinters.ca > >www.proprinters.ca > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Watt" > >To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:45 PM > >Subject: RE: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - > >bringiton!) > > > > > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> > >>Yes, Ron, you make a good point. I know there is some truth to this. In > >>fact, the warming climate in British Columbia is causing a massive > >>infestation of, I think it's called the Spruce Budworm, which is rapidly > >>destroying the spruce forests there and these trees are emitting copious > >>amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere as they die. > >> > >>I am still of the opinion, however, that trees on balance, absorb a lot more > >>CO2 than they emit. No, I can't back that up. > >> > >>Gordon Watt > >>Xoxo Cyberprint Inc > >>Toronto > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > >>[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Sardo > >>Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:31 PM > >>To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > >>Subject: Re: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - > >>bringiton!) > >> > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> > >>Gordon Watt wrote: > >>>nd you name it. > >>> > >>>We have cut down most of the world's trees which absorb carbon dioxide > >>from > >>>the air. > >> > >>http://www.wired.com/science/planetearth/magazine/16-06/ff_heresies_04forest > >>s > >> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>Ron Sardo > >>Sugarloaf Print Shop > >>mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com > >>www.sugarloafprint.com > >>570-788-5099 . Fax: 570-788-6077 > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>PrintOwners Discussion List > >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>PrintOwners Discussion List > >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >__________ NOD32 3174 (20080610) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.eset.com > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3177 (20080611) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From char at themasterspress.com Wed Jun 11 10:40:21 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Wed Jun 11 10:40:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] C6500 - KM Corporate or independent dealer?? In-Reply-To: <54620.192.168.1.70.1213149409.webmail@192.168.1.70> References: <54620.192.168.1.70.1213149409.webmail@192.168.1.70> Message-ID: <004701c8cbd1$13aa4b30$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Eric don't know if you read Cora's email, but she got a machine from OCE. A great company, with a ton of resources. Yet they don't know squat about her machine and how to really service it. Robin Niewold ran into the same problem with a dealer. They usually have "some" machines out there but you will not get the overall support and training and problem solving that you would from KMBS. The price of the machine can be irrevelent if you can't keep it up and running in the most productive manner. And that includes the training, support and availability of parts. When you are shut down a day or two days because you have to wait for a part to be shipped in your production is dead. Maybe most parts they might have in stock but what about that one that breaks that is not that available. These are some of the same issues I am looking at because I can get a machine for the same price and yet cheaper service from Oce. But is half a cent a click worth it when I can't get the job out that my customer wants it. The salesman really believes that they can service it. But he also really believed this other machine would be the perfect machine for me (on black and white) until after much prodding I found out the finisher would not hold more than 500 11 x 17. Just pure lack of knowledge on his part. So his belief in feeling like they can do a great job in service does not compute to reality. See how many machines they have and for how long and call those people and check out their service. Don't just get it and have to "live" with the regrets. JMHO ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Eric Weber Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:57 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] C6500 - KM Corporate or independent dealer?? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are strongly considering a KM c6500. I have two proposals from independent dealers - both matching national contract pricing. One even throwing in the first 50,000 clicks. I called the National Account Manager and he is strongly urging purchasing direct from the Konica-Minolta branch in my area. Lots of sales blab as to why ... blah, blah, blah. His strongest point might be (as I see it) that the K-M direct route would better take care of engineering retrofits (and the like) after purchase. He claims the independent dealers would probably do nothing of that sort. Anyone have any experience to that effect?? TIA ... *********************************************** Eric Weber Sales / General Manager / Vice President PrintDigital Inc. 4688 Darrow Rd., Stow, OH 44224 330-686-5945 Fax 330-686-5329 www.printdigitalinc.com eric@printdigitalinc.com ***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and delete this copy from your system. Thank you for your co-operation. *********************************************** _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3177 (20080611) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3177 (20080611) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From slb at inkspot.net Wed Jun 11 10:45:35 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Jun 11 10:45:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring it on!) In-Reply-To: References: <4873FFE2.3070603@werkheiser.com>, <489F0533.30501.649ACC0@slb.inkspot.net>, Message-ID: <484FACCF.20358.A7C58EF@slb.inkspot.net> Gail, It's interesting to note that recycling often increases our costs vs "virgin" materials. In some cases, the costs are sufficiently higher that you can't even justify them by the reduction in disposal costs. However, it's something that, as a wealthier society, we can choose to do. Unlike the "fashionably vocal," I don't see not having bought an SUV as a virtue. I've owned more than one, as shop delivery vehicles. I buy older, used vehicles, so my choices are often more limited, but, IMO, it should be more a matter of the choice that works for your needs and/or wants, rather than the choice someone else thinks is better for you. http://tinyurl.com/5pld4g has an interesting take on the comparative costs of a Pious and an SUV--if you look at gallons of fuel per passenger mile, the SUV might well be the better choice. YMMV (in many ways...), Steve > > > How about this one: > > Choose a cause that will allow you to feel virtuous about making > small changes in your life (recycling your trash, changing to a > different kind of light bulb) while at the same time preaching about > how other people should make huge changes to theirs. > > I was president of my high school Ecology Club 25 years ago, I've > been recycling since before it was "cool." I have an organic garden > and don't use lawn chemicals, and I have never bought an SUV or high > mileage car. To me these sorts of things just make sense. But I don't > believe the nonsense about Global Warming, and I won't until the true > believer crowd all move to small houses, start bicycling, and worry > more about their own "carbon footprint" than about mine. > > Gail Finke > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, OH 45231 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > (513) 522-2679 > Fax 522-2692 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > info@brentwood-printing.com > www.brentwood-printing.com > > > > > On Aug 10, 2008, at 3:11 PM, Steve Blatman wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >> Anyway, how does one start a campaign such as global warming which > >> causes everyone to talk about the campaign and some to even change > >> their lifestyles? > > > > > > 1. Pay no attention to the relevant scientific data. > > > > 2. Choose a cause that enables you to feel virtuous about saving > > something, or rescuing something from some putative evil force, > > regardless of whether either the feeling of virtue or the putative > > evil is, in fact, virtuous or evil, respectively. This works better > > with people for whom it is a substitute for a conventional religious > > belief system. > > > > 3. Make sure your chosen cause will require a virtuous or enlightened > > minority to exert control over the lives and choices of those seen as > > less virtuous, less enlightened, less educated, less sophisticated, > > or otherwise classifiable as "the great unwashed." > > > > If you've chosen well, you'll fire the imagination of the left, which > > will play well with the mainstream media and the hollyweird types, > > and your battle will be only a matter of time.... > > > > YMMV, > > Steve > > > > Steve Blatman > > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > > Tel: 610-647-0776 > > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3177 (20080611) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Wed Jun 11 10:48:27 2008 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Wed Jun 11 10:47:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printing on flap side of #9 & #10 Envelopes w/ Printmaster and Astro Envelope Feeder In-Reply-To: <484FA5A8.6046.A60686C@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <001b01c8cbd2$357240f0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> We have several thousand #9 and #10 envelopes that need printed on the front and back of the envelope. We were printing on these on AB Dicks using an Astro Feeder. We just got rid of the Dicks and put in a Printmaster with an Astro Feeder. With the Dicks we could move the envelope from side to side to adjust for the envelope flap. With the Printmaster it wants to run everything down the center and there isn't any way to adjust for the flap (the sucker foot is halfway on the flap and won't create the suction it needs to pull the flap side of the envelope into the press, thus feeding the envelope crooked). Anyone have any tips/tricks for this? TIA Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com From slb at inkspot.net Wed Jun 11 10:49:58 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Jun 11 10:50:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL to suspend home deliveries In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <484FADD6.13438.A805A65@slb.inkspot.net> Actually, the USPS will probably never end home delivery. The Postmaster General is one of the offices specifically mentioned in our Constitution, because universal dissemination of information is necessary in a democratic republic. USPS is often less expensive than UPS for small (1-2lb) packages, but, since they don't have a good tracing function, it's hard to give a useful answer when your customer asks the whereabouts of a particular package. Steve > > John, > > Think about the USPS. What if they decided to end home delivery? What about > every other day? What about home delivery only on Mon, Wed & Fri? > > Yes, I know some folks are going to say "that's a dumb idea." I didn't say > it was mine.... I'm not a decision maker for the USPS. > > Some of the smaller towns here (and I'm sure some of you folks reading this) > only have Post Office Box delivery. Think what would happen if they make > EVERYONE go to Post Office Box delivery? > > Would the savings in gas reduce the postage cost? HA! Doubt it. > > But don't think that these ideas have not been tossed around....... > > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > www.acepm.com > > > > > On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:55 PM, wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > For those of you who use DHL, I found the announcement below interesting: > > > > "DHL Express just confirmed with PARCEL that it will discontinue the > > DHL@home product effective September 1, 2008. The service tendered > > packages to the > > USPS for final delivery, reducing costs for the shipper." > > > > I would be surprised if other shipping companies haven't at least > > considered > > this option as well, when you consider the additional hassles of home > > deliveries (no one home, possible fraud, much larger routes, driving, > > etc.) > > > > > > > > John Stewart > > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > > Cell: 321-794-6259 > > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > > > > > **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best > > 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102 > > ) > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > -- > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > Berlin, Maryland 21811 > www.acepm.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3177 (20080611) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From eupinc at aol.com Wed Jun 11 11:07:43 2008 From: eupinc at aol.com (eupinc@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 11 11:08:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Not getting messages anymore?? Message-ID: <8CA99EC0894D6E7-14FC-F41@webmail-stg-d07.sysops.aol.com> Dave Clement EUP - Porath Print Source 19236 DETROIT ROAD ROCKY RIVER, OHIO 44116 PHONE: 440.333.6484 FAX: 440.333.1182 www.porathprintsource.com From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Wed Jun 11 11:19:08 2008 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Wed Jun 11 11:18:29 2008 Subject: (OFF) [PrintOwners] Weather In-Reply-To: <0ffa01c8cb24$5ad181c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <002401c8cbd6$7ed2e750$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Speaking of weather . . . It can quit raining any time now . . . We've had enough! Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:04 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Weather ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Well, it was a sprightly 45 degrees this morning on the way in. They say it could get up to 54 today. They say it is the coldest June since 1890 something. It's been snowing in the mountains, like two feet worth the other day. I know you can't read anything in particular into one year's weather, but man it's been cold this spring. I understand it been hot back east. Hang on, coolness should be heading your way. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From rstor at copycats.com Wed Jun 11 11:19:40 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Wed Jun 11 11:20:46 2008 Subject: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bringiton!) In-Reply-To: <484FA5A8.6046.A60686C@slb.inkspot.net> References: , <015d01c8cb3b$db69eb80$1f00a8c0@promerivale1>, <200806110350.m5B3oGjS011124@i2bnetworks.com> <484FA5A8.6046.A60686C@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <484FED0C.8010601@copycats.com> Also look at the "Results" page of the Copenhagen Consensus. Note where Global Warming Mitigation (vs R+D) comes i on the list of priorities. I tend to agree with the seeming consensus here - as currently presented, Al Gore & Co are engaged in a boondoggle. However, I am agnostic on whether this is a real problem or not. I think it needs real research before we decide what, if anything, should be done. I don't think the phenomenon can simply dismissed without study. As an aside, I just finished reading Bryson's "A Short History of the World", and I recommend it. It will give you some perspective on the world and life, both its resilience and its fragility. And it will highlight just how much we don't know. And the guy is clever and funny. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Steve Blatman wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > It's also worth checking out this guy's stuff: > > http://www.lomborg.com/ > > He thought debunking "antienvironment" positions would be a good > project for a seminar he was teaching. He and his students found, > contrary to their expectations, that the "environmentalists" were > almost universally wrong, and those attempting to reign them in were > almost universally correct. He published those results in his book, > "The Skeptical Environmentalist." > > His new book, "Cool It: The Skeptical Environmentalist's Guide to > Global Warming" is just as thorough, and, if the footnotes check as > well, just as accurate. IMO, both should be required reading for our > Senate and Congress. > > YMMV, > Steve > > > >> Opinions aside, its a bit more complicated.... >> >> This might be a good place to start: >> >> http://tinyurl.com/2l8wdo >> >> I would say that contrary to what this says: the public is not more >> enlightened, if anything, they're more confused because to many >> non-qualified mouths (read: Hollywood) continue to spew ignorant, >> uneducated, false information. But because they're celebrity, people listen. >> >> The reality is that these models just begin to scratch what we know, >> and don't know about atmospheric chemistry. >> >> The truth is, mother GAIA is one tough gal. >> >> She's got systems within systems, within systems that we've not even >> begun to understand that keep things balanced. >> >> Meanwhile, the nonsense dribbles on.... >> >> S. >> >> >> >> >> >> At 01:52 PM 6/10/2008, you wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Trees absorb CO2 and release oxygen when they're living. >>> >>> Kevin Kerr >>> Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. >>> 1900 Merivale Rd. >>> Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 >>> Tel 613-727-9444 >>> Fax 613-727-1945 >>> kevin@proprinters.ca >>> www.proprinters.ca >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Watt" >>> To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:45 PM >>> Subject: RE: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - >>> bringiton!) >>> >>> >>> >>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>> >>>> Yes, Ron, you make a good point. I know there is some truth to this. In >>>> fact, the warming climate in British Columbia is causing a massive >>>> infestation of, I think it's called the Spruce Budworm, which is rapidly >>>> destroying the spruce forests there and these trees are emitting copious >>>> amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere as they die. >>>> >>>> I am still of the opinion, however, that trees on balance, absorb a lot more >>>> CO2 than they emit. No, I can't back that up. >>>> >>>> Gordon Watt >>>> Xoxo Cyberprint Inc >>>> Toronto >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >>>> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Sardo >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:31 PM >>>> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >>>> Subject: Re: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - >>>> bringiton!) >>>> >>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>> >>>> Gordon Watt wrote: >>>> >>>>> nd you name it. >>>>> >>>>> We have cut down most of the world's trees which absorb carbon dioxide >>>>> >>>> from >>>> >>>>> the air. >>>>> >>>> http://www.wired.com/science/planetearth/magazine/16-06/ff_heresies_04forest >>>> s >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ron Sardo >>>> Sugarloaf Print Shop >>>> mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com >>>> www.sugarloafprint.com >>>> 570-788-5099 . Fax: 570-788-6077 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> __________ NOD32 3174 (20080610) Information __________ >>> >>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Scott Cappel >> >> Sorrento Mesa Printing >> 7398 Trade Street >> San Diego, CA 92121-2422 >> 858-527-0800 >> 858-527-1740 FAX >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com >> >> LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa >> >> Direct Links for Learning: >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html >> >> Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider >> Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider >> Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level >> Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider >> >> Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3177 (20080611) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From jodib at blackfoot.net Wed Jun 11 11:22:57 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Wed Jun 11 11:23:01 2008 Subject: (OFF) [PrintOwners] Weather References: <002401c8cbd6$7ed2e750$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Message-ID: <004501c8cbd7$07053c90$0101a8c0@JodiPC> well, I hate to break it to you, but there is probably more on the way. We have snow (wet) at the 2500 foot level and they are predicting we'll have it on the floor by tomorrow. (Missoula is a valley) But things are looking up, it is supposed to be 75 on Saturday :-) Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitch Eaton" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: RE: (OFF) [PrintOwners] Weather > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Speaking of weather . . . > > It can quit raining any time now . . . We've had enough! > > Mitch Eaton > The Printing Station > 1420 Locust Street > Des Moines, IA 50309 > 515-243-8144 > 866-866-7414 > Fax 515-243-6540 > mitch.eaton@printingstation.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:04 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Weather > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Well, it was a sprightly 45 degrees this morning on the way in. They say > it > > could get up to 54 today. They say it is the coldest June since 1890 > something. It's been snowing in the mountains, like two feet worth the > other day. I know you can't read anything in particular into one year's > weather, but man it's been cold this spring. > I understand it been hot back east. Hang on, coolness should be heading > your way. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Wed Jun 11 11:25:02 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Harkins) Date: Wed Jun 11 11:25:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL & USPS Message-ID: On the subject of DHL and the USPS, this is a little adventure we had with the shipping of a job. Two cartons going to rural Nebraska and unbeknownst to us, our shipper decided to use DHL. (UPS ground would have been 1 day). I think it left on Tuesday and when it had not arrived on Thursday, we called for tracking numbers. These two boxes went all over the country and then sat in Omaha according to DHL's website. We put our shipper to work and he found that DHL passed the shipment off to the USPS, which of course, made tracking almost impossible. I had absolutely no idea that shipping companies passed shipments off to the USPS for rural deliveries. Anyway, it took those two cartons a week to travel about 120 miles. After that I told our shipping store guy to only use FedEx or UPS for our stuff and I may bring daily service back into the shop. Not surprising that DHL is getting out of that business. -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Wed Jun 11 11:25:08 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Wed Jun 11 11:26:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printing on flap side of #9 & #10 Envelopes w/ Printmaster and Astro Envelope Feeder In-Reply-To: <20080611145017.56327F80EE8@rb.enter.net> References: <20080611145017.56327F80EE8@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: We regularly print, on our Heidelberg PM and QMs, the diagonal flaps of No10 envelopes - without any difficulty whatsoever. However, we us a Strate-Flo envelope feeder; that pressman prefers it over the Astro feeder we own. Would larger sucker feet help? Would side-seam envelopes help? > We have several thousand #9 and #10 envelopes that need printed on > the front > and back of the envelope. > > We were printing on these on AB Dicks using an Astro Feeder. We just > got rid > of the Dicks and put in a Printmaster with an Astro Feeder. > > With the Dicks we could move the envelope from side to side to > adjust for > the envelope flap. With the Printmaster it wants to run everything > down the > center and there isn't any way to adjust for the flap (the sucker > foot is > halfway on the flap and won't create the suction it needs to pull > the flap > side of the envelope into the press, thus feeding the envelope > crooked). > > Anyone have any tips/tricks for this? Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Wed Jun 11 11:32:50 2008 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Wed Jun 11 11:28:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL to suspend home deliveries References: , <484FADD6.13438.A805A65@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <001101c8cbd8$6e775d30$042967d3@kp4> I'm dating myself but....................I remember when the USPS used to deliver 2x daily. How times have changed. Linda Paragon Printing & Graphics 2041 W. Mill rd. Glendale, WI 53209 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Blatman" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] DHL to suspend home deliveries > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Actually, the USPS will probably never end home delivery. The > Postmaster General is one of the offices specifically mentioned in > our Constitution, because universal dissemination of information is > necessary in a democratic republic. > > USPS is often less expensive than UPS for small (1-2lb) packages, > but, since they don't have a good tracing function, it's hard to give > a useful answer when your customer asks the whereabouts of a > particular package. > > Steve > > > > > > John, > > > > Think about the USPS. What if they decided to end home delivery? What about > > every other day? What about home delivery only on Mon, Wed & Fri? > > > > Yes, I know some folks are going to say "that's a dumb idea." I didn't say > > it was mine.... I'm not a decision maker for the USPS. > > > > Some of the smaller towns here (and I'm sure some of you folks reading this) > > only have Post Office Box delivery. Think what would happen if they make > > EVERYONE go to Post Office Box delivery? > > > > Would the savings in gas reduce the postage cost? HA! Doubt it. > > > > But don't think that these ideas have not been tossed around....... > > > > Thom Gulyas > > ACE Printing & Mailing > > www.acepm.com > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:55 PM, wrote: > > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > For those of you who use DHL, I found the announcement below interesting: > > > > > > "DHL Express just confirmed with PARCEL that it will discontinue the > > > DHL@home product effective September 1, 2008. The service tendered > > > packages to the > > > USPS for final delivery, reducing costs for the shipper." > > > > > > I would be surprised if other shipping companies haven't at least > > > considered > > > this option as well, when you consider the additional hassles of home > > > deliveries (no one home, possible fraud, much larger routes, driving, > > > etc.) > > > > > > > > > > > > John Stewart > > > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > > > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > > > > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > > > > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > > > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > > > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > > > Cell: 321-794-6259 > > > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > > > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > > > > > > > > > **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best > > > 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102 > > > ) > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Thom Gulyas > > ACE Printing & Mailing > > Berlin, Maryland 21811 > > www.acepm.com > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 3177 (20080611) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Jun 11 11:37:08 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Jun 11 11:37:48 2008 Subject: (OFF) [PrintOwners] Weather (US Open) In-Reply-To: <002401c8cbd6$7ed2e750$f901a8c0@MitchDell> References: <0ffa01c8cb24$5ad181c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <002401c8cbd6$7ed2e750$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Message-ID: <200806111537.m5BFbhFu070888@i2bnetworks.com> They start playing the US Open tomorrow at Torrey Pines which is about a mile from my house. I think somebody pulled some strings because the June gloom will be gone and it should be spectacular (even for here we do have moments of spectacular) So watch some golf this weekend, and if you get inspired, come for a visit. S. At 08:19 AM 6/11/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Speaking of weather . . . > >It can quit raining any time now . . . We've had enough! > >Mitch Eaton >The Printing Station >1420 Locust Street >Des Moines, IA 50309 >515-243-8144 >866-866-7414 >Fax 515-243-6540 >mitch.eaton@printingstation.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford >Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:04 PM >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Weather > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Well, it was a sprightly 45 degrees this morning on the way in. They say it > >could get up to 54 today. They say it is the coldest June since 1890 >something. It's been snowing in the mountains, like two feet worth the >other day. I know you can't read anything in particular into one year's >weather, but man it's been cold this spring. >I understand it been hot back east. Hang on, coolness should be heading >your way. > >Dan Huntingford >SOS Printing >2319 Washington Street >Port Townsend, WA 98368 >Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >sos@olympus.net >(360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3177 (20080611) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Wed Jun 11 11:49:24 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Wed Jun 11 11:49:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL to suspend home deliveries In-Reply-To: <484FADD6.13438.A805A65@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: I have friends working on a project for the USPS to create a tracking system to compete with FedEx, UPS, etc. Its coming. Who knows how long it will take though. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Steve Blatman > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:49:58 -0400 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] DHL to suspend home deliveries > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Actually, the USPS will probably never end home delivery. The > Postmaster General is one of the offices specifically mentioned in > our Constitution, because universal dissemination of information is > necessary in a democratic republic. > > USPS is often less expensive than UPS for small (1-2lb) packages, > but, since they don't have a good tracing function, it's hard to give > a useful answer when your customer asks the whereabouts of a > particular package. > > Steve > > >> >> John, >> >> Think about the USPS. What if they decided to end home delivery? What about >> every other day? What about home delivery only on Mon, Wed & Fri? >> >> Yes, I know some folks are going to say "that's a dumb idea." I didn't say >> it was mine.... I'm not a decision maker for the USPS. >> >> Some of the smaller towns here (and I'm sure some of you folks reading this) >> only have Post Office Box delivery. Think what would happen if they make >> EVERYONE go to Post Office Box delivery? >> >> Would the savings in gas reduce the postage cost? HA! Doubt it. >> >> But don't think that these ideas have not been tossed around....... >> >> Thom Gulyas >> ACE Printing & Mailing >> www.acepm.com >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:55 PM, wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> For those of you who use DHL, I found the announcement below interesting: >>> >>> "DHL Express just confirmed with PARCEL that it will discontinue the >>> DHL@home product effective September 1, 2008. The service tendered >>> packages to the >>> USPS for final delivery, reducing costs for the shipper." >>> >>> I would be surprised if other shipping companies haven't at least >>> considered >>> this option as well, when you consider the additional hassles of home >>> deliveries (no one home, possible fraud, much larger routes, driving, >>> etc.) >>> >>> >>> >>> John Stewart >>> Q. P. Consulting, Inc. >>> Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) >>> >>> by Larry Hunt & John Stewart >>> >>> 2110 S. Dairy Road >>> West Melbourne, FL 32904 >>> 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 >>> Cell: 321-794-6259 >>> _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) >>> "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." >>> >>> >>> >>> **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best >>> 2008. >>> (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102>> /?ncid=aolacg00050000000102> >>> ) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Thom Gulyas >> ACE Printing & Mailing >> Berlin, Maryland 21811 >> www.acepm.com >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3177 (20080611) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From communicar at aol.com Wed Jun 11 11:59:18 2008 From: communicar at aol.com (communicar@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 11 11:59:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] C6500 - KM Corporate or independent dealer?? In-Reply-To: <54620.192.168.1.70.1213149409.webmail@192.168.1.70> References: <54620.192.168.1.70.1213149409.webmail@192.168.1.70> Message-ID: <8CA99F33C5591A1-1A18-72E@WEBMAIL-MC06.sysops.aol.com> Eric, We are seriously looking at the KM6500 also, I'd be interested to learn what your machine price and click rate quotes are. We have an independent dealer, IKON and KMBS close by (no guarantee they'll stay where they are). They are both offering free use of their machines if ours ever goes down on a deadline sensitive job, and they can't get service quick enough.??I know one of the techs at IKON (from outside of the business relationship), but I am leaning towards KMBS. They seem to know more about the machines, and have specialists who only sell this product. I like the quality of the Canon 7000VP, but after reading about the downtime issues here and on another online forum, I'm a little nervous about that machine. Thanks, in advance, for your input. Ken Azebu Communicart Graphics & Printing 499 Aldo Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408) 970-0922 (408) 970-8630 Fax -----Original Message----- From: Eric Weber To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 6:56 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] C6500 - KM Corporate or independent dealer?? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are strongly considering a KM c6500. I have two proposals from independent dealers - both matching national contract pricing. One even throwing in the first 50,000 clicks. I called the National Account Manager and he is strongly urging purchasing direct from the Konica-Minolta branch in my area. Lots of sales blab as to why ... blah, blah, blah. His strongest point might be (as I see it) that the K-M direct route would better take care of engineering retrofits (and the like) after purchase. He claims the independent dealers would probably do nothing of that sort. Anyone have any experience to that effect?? TIA ... *********************************************** Eric Weber Sales / General Manager / Vice President PrintDigital Inc. 4688 Darrow Rd., Stow, OH 44224 330-686-5945 Fax 330-686-5329 www.printdigitalinc.com eric@printdigitalinc.com ***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and delete this copy from your system. Thank you for your co-operation. *********************************************** _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Jun 11 12:02:27 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 11 12:02:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL to suspend home deliveries Message-ID: In a message dated 6/11/2008 11:52:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, borzou@falconprintandcopy.com writes: I have friends working on a project for the USPS to create a tracking system to compete with FedEx, UPS, etc. Its coming. Who knows how long it will take though. Actually, the USPS already provides a relatively simple tracking system that tracks all mail where the label has been created using the Shipping Assistant software which is free from USPS. There is no extra charge for the tracking service and to the best of my knowledge it can be used to track virtually any class of mail. I use Shipping Assistant to create all my labels for processing my book Print Shop For Sale, since it weighs more than 13 oz. and I use Priority Mail Envelopes. But as I reviewed the program this morning I noticed that tracking info, at least date and time delivered, is automatically included. The label size that you must use is approximately 4 x 7" and it generates a large barcode for tracking. Damn, I can't believe I am giving any credit whatsoever to this almost useless government agency! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) From slb at inkspot.net Wed Jun 11 12:42:34 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Jun 11 12:43:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL to suspend home deliveries In-Reply-To: <001101c8cbd8$6e775d30$042967d3@kp4> References: , <001101c8cbd8$6e775d30$042967d3@kp4> Message-ID: <484FC83A.6499.AE77055@slb.inkspot.net> I've read that, in NYC, in the 1880s, they delivered 5x daily.... Steve > > I'm dating myself but....................I remember when the USPS used to > deliver 2x daily. How times have changed. > > Linda > > Paragon Printing & Graphics > 2041 W. Mill rd. > Glendale, WI 53209 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Blatman" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:49 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] DHL to suspend home deliveries > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Actually, the USPS will probably never end home delivery. The > > Postmaster General is one of the offices specifically mentioned in > > our Constitution, because universal dissemination of information is > > necessary in a democratic republic. > > > > USPS is often less expensive than UPS for small (1-2lb) packages, > > but, since they don't have a good tracing function, it's hard to give > > a useful answer when your customer asks the whereabouts of a > > particular package. > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > John, > > > > > > Think about the USPS. What if they decided to end home delivery? What > about > > > every other day? What about home delivery only on Mon, Wed & Fri? > > > > > > Yes, I know some folks are going to say "that's a dumb idea." I didn't > say > > > it was mine.... I'm not a decision maker for the USPS. > > > > > > Some of the smaller towns here (and I'm sure some of you folks reading > this) > > > only have Post Office Box delivery. Think what would happen if they make > > > EVERYONE go to Post Office Box delivery? > > > > > > Would the savings in gas reduce the postage cost? HA! Doubt it. > > > > > > But don't think that these ideas have not been tossed around....... > > > > > > Thom Gulyas > > > ACE Printing & Mailing > > > www.acepm.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:55 PM, wrote: > > > > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > > > For those of you who use DHL, I found the announcement below > interesting: > > > > > > > > "DHL Express just confirmed with PARCEL that it will discontinue the > > > > DHL@home product effective September 1, 2008. The service tendered > > > > packages to the > > > > USPS for final delivery, reducing costs for the shipper." > > > > > > > > I would be surprised if other shipping companies haven't at least > > > > considered > > > > this option as well, when you consider the additional hassles of home > > > > deliveries (no one home, possible fraud, much larger routes, driving, > > > > etc.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Stewart > > > > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > > > > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ > (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > > > > > > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > > > > > > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > > > > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > > > > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > > > > Cell: 321-794-6259 > > > > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > > > > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's > Best > > > > 2008. > (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102 /?ncid=aolacg00050000000102> > > > > ) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Thom Gulyas > > > ACE Printing & Mailing > > > Berlin, Maryland 21811 > > > www.acepm.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 3177 (20080611) Information __________ > > > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > Steve Blatman > > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > > Tel: 610-647-0776 > > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3178 (20080611) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From slb at inkspot.net Wed Jun 11 12:49:10 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Jun 11 12:49:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Grammar question In-Reply-To: <001b01c8cbd2$357240f0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> References: <484FA5A8.6046.A60686C@slb.inkspot.net>, <001b01c8cbd2$357240f0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Message-ID: <484FC9C6.4499.AED7BCB@slb.inkspot.net> > > We have several thousand #9 and #10 envelopes that need printed on... I was taught that the correct expression should be either ....that need to be printed on ...... or ....that need printing on.... This is not intended to denigrate anyone on this list. I thought that the construction ....that need printed on... was a local thing (since we get a lot of German constructions, because of the Pennsylvania Dutch influence in our area), but I've been wrong before. Since we are often called upon to function as our customers' "grammar police," what do you consider the correct form(s)? TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Wed Jun 11 12:54:51 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Wed Jun 11 12:55:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xante / Rip It Consumable agreement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83F76BEE-9009-4796-A1FF-C86E194FEF72@inkonpaper.biz> Craig, I think I'm confused I had to pay for the service contract up front for the year, instead of the old quaterly payments. We don't do the consumables contract with RipIt loren On Jun 10, 2008, at 4:03 PM, Craig Baise wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Loren - thanks for your reply - just want to be sure - do they > charge for > the expected purchases for the year at the start of the year?? > Thanks craig > > > On 6/10/08 12:20 PM, "Loren Maurina" wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> YES >> >> As much as I didn't want to do it, I had no choice >> >> >> On Jun 10, 2008, at 1:51 PM, Craig Baise wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> We have a rip it imagesetter - Xante wants us to sign an agreement >>> that says >>> _ 12 month agreement with automatic renewal and the minimum >>> commitment for >>> the year is payable at the start of the agreement. Verbally, they >>> denied it >>> said that but it does. We said we want it amended to say that we >>> pay as we >>> purchase and they said no changes to the agreement. 1. Has anyone >>> else been >>> asked to sign this? 2. If so, have they charged your card for the >>> full >>> commitment at the start? Thanks >>> Craig C. Baise >>> Sutter Printing >>> 916.446.0167 office >>> www.sutterprinting.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >> >> Loren Maurina >> President >> L & L Printing, Inc. >> dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp >> dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren >> >> ph (586) 263-0060 >> fx (586) 263-4895 >> >> Loren@InkOnPaper.biz >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > Craig C. Baise > Sutter Printing > 916.446.0167 office > www.sutterprinting.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz From kevin at proprinters.ca Wed Jun 11 12:56:18 2008 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin at PRO Printers) Date: Wed Jun 11 12:56:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Grammar question References: <484FA5A8.6046.A60686C@slb.inkspot.net>, <001b01c8cbd2$357240f0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> <484FC9C6.4499.AED7BCB@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <008901c8cbe4$118574c0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> How about "that need to be printed" ? I'm not a grammarian, nor do I play one on TV, but I don't think the "on" is needed at all. Kinda like "where's he at?" - it should be "where is he?" Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Blatman" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:49 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Grammar question > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> >> We have several thousand #9 and #10 envelopes that need printed on... > > I was taught that the correct expression should be either > > ....that need to be printed on ...... > > or > > ....that need printing on.... > > This is not intended to denigrate anyone on this list. I thought that > the construction ....that need printed on... was a local thing (since > we get a lot of German constructions, because of the Pennsylvania > Dutch influence in our area), but I've been wrong before. > > Since we are often called upon to function as our customers' "grammar > police," what do you consider the correct form(s)? > > TIA, > Steve > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From margaret at designotype.com Wed Jun 11 13:01:55 2008 From: margaret at designotype.com (margaret@designotype.com) Date: Wed Jun 11 13:01:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] spectrophotometer necessary? Message-ID: <48094.192.168.1.70.1213203715.webmail@192.168.1.70> We are close to signing a lease on a new 242 xerox. Software is being pushed with it, color verifier, color profiler, adobe acrobat, quite impose. What should we consider for the color software? How much is it worth? ($3000 through our xerox rep. with spectrophotometer and dongle) Is quite impose, acrobat (we have it already) necessary / worth it ($2000) when indesign or quark can put things several up for offset press or copier? Margaret Designotype Printers, Inc. 906-482-2424 906-482-2266 fax We are the only printer in the 4 county area that provides a written Per4mance Pledge ensuring that you are completely satisfied with projects printed at Designotype Printers, Inc. From slb at inkspot.net Wed Jun 11 13:04:24 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Jun 11 13:04:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Grammar question In-Reply-To: <008901c8cbe4$118574c0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> References: <484FA5A8.6046.A60686C@slb.inkspot.net>, <008901c8cbe4$118574c0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <484FCD58.21382.AFB6E29@slb.inkspot.net> Yes, actually. It's the missing "to be" that I was questioning. I know that the present tense of "to be" is implied in some languages (Hebrew, for example), but I thought English required it to be present. So, to reiterate, is the usage "needs printed" or "need printed" now considered acceptable in "standard" American English (whatever that is)? Steve > > How about "that need to be printed" ? I'm not a grammarian, nor do I play > one on TV, but I don't think the "on" is needed at all. Kinda like "where's > he at?" - it should be "where is he?" > > Kevin Kerr > Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. > 1900 Merivale Rd. > Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 > Tel 613-727-9444 > Fax 613-727-1945 > kevin@proprinters.ca > www.proprinters.ca > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Blatman" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:49 PM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Grammar question > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >> > >> We have several thousand #9 and #10 envelopes that need printed on... > > > > I was taught that the correct expression should be either > > > > ....that need to be printed on ...... > > > > or > > > > ....that need printing on.... > > > > This is not intended to denigrate anyone on this list. I thought that > > the construction ....that need printed on... was a local thing (since > > we get a lot of German constructions, because of the Pennsylvania > > Dutch influence in our area), but I've been wrong before. > > > > Since we are often called upon to function as our customers' "grammar > > police," what do you consider the correct form(s)? > > > > TIA, > > Steve > > > > Steve Blatman > > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > > Tel: 610-647-0776 > > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3178 (20080611) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Wed Jun 11 13:13:10 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Wed Jun 11 13:13:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] C6500 - KM Corporate or independent dealer?? In-Reply-To: <004701c8cbd1$13aa4b30$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <54620.192.168.1.70.1213149409.webmail@192.168.1.70> <004701c8cbd1$13aa4b30$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <007101c8cbe6$6d135800$6401a8c0@coranew> Charlene, I am still waiting on a board for my large capacity tray that is on back order and they can't tell me when it will be in. It was causing an error code to come up so they just disconnected the code somehow???? It is not causing a problem, but should be on there. Also it seems like some of the other dealers offer an external Fiery for this machine, but OCE says that they don't have one for it. The KM dealer said that they had one if I bought their machine though. I just wish that I had of liked the KM dealer better and hadn't had a bad experience with him before. They are the ones that change my click rate to 2 for 11x17 without my knowledge and when I discovered it, I had to threaten to get a lawyer to keep the one click charge. I did win though Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:40 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] C6500 - KM Corporate or independent dealer?? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Eric don't know if you read Cora's email, but she got a machine from OCE. A great company, with a ton of resources. Yet they don't know squat about her machine and how to really service it. Robin Niewold ran into the same problem with a dealer. They usually have "some" machines out there but you will not get the overall support and training and problem solving that you would from KMBS. The price of the machine can be irrevelent if you can't keep it up and running in the most productive manner. And that includes the training, support and availability of parts. When you are shut down a day or two days because you have to wait for a part to be shipped in your production is dead. Maybe most parts they might have in stock but what about that one that breaks that is not that available. These are some of the same issues I am looking at because I can get a machine for the same price and yet cheaper service from Oce. But is half a cent a click worth it when I can't get the job out that my customer wants it. The salesman really believes that they can service it. But he also really believed this other machine would be the perfect machine for me (on black and white) until after much prodding I found out the finisher would not hold more than 500 11 x 17. Just pure lack of knowledge on his part. So his belief in feeling like they can do a great job in service does not compute to reality. See how many machines they have and for how long and call those people and check out their service. Don't just get it and have to "live" with the regrets. JMHO ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Eric Weber Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:57 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] C6500 - KM Corporate or independent dealer?? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are strongly considering a KM c6500. I have two proposals from independent dealers - both matching national contract pricing. One even throwing in the first 50,000 clicks. I called the National Account Manager and he is strongly urging purchasing direct from the Konica-Minolta branch in my area. Lots of sales blab as to why ... blah, blah, blah. His strongest point might be (as I see it) that the K-M direct route would better take care of engineering retrofits (and the like) after purchase. He claims the independent dealers would probably do nothing of that sort. Anyone have any experience to that effect?? TIA ... *********************************************** Eric Weber Sales / General Manager / Vice President PrintDigital Inc. 4688 Darrow Rd., Stow, OH 44224 330-686-5945 Fax 330-686-5329 www.printdigitalinc.com eric@printdigitalinc.com ***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. 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Thank you for your co-operation. *********************************************** _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3177 (20080611) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3177 (20080611) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3178 (20080611) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Wed Jun 11 13:13:11 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Wed Jun 11 13:14:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Grammar question In-Reply-To: <20080611164929.05EC1F81793@rb.enter.net> References: <20080611164929.05EC1F81793@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <326563FC-6755-4D43-B06E-46FAFA2AF20D@sheergraphics.com> Alright, alot of us think if we all play'd by the same rule's of grammer, we'ed loose the fun of flaying to understood each other! :- >> We have several thousand #9 and #10 envelopes that need printed on... > > I was taught that the correct expression should be either > > ....that need to be printed on ...... > > or > > ....that need printing on.... > > This is not intended to denigrate anyone on this list. I thought that > the construction ....that need printed on... was a local thing (since > we get a lot of German constructions, because of the Pennsylvania > Dutch influence in our area), but I've been wrong before. > > Since we are often called upon to function as our customers' "grammar > police," what do you consider the correct form(s)? Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From John at mpcny.com Wed Jun 11 13:18:50 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Wed Jun 11 13:18:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6500 now a 6501 In-Reply-To: <20080611164929.5B0E5F81795@rb.enter.net> References: <20080611164929.5B0E5F81795@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <01a401c8cbe7$38708040$a95180c0$@com> Last week at Drupa KM announced the 6501 a update to the 6500. I think before you sign a contract you want to find out what the update is. Also make sure the rips updates are included. >From Drupa reports ...premiered at the KM booth a high-speed color machine with 65 sheets per minute the bizhub PRO C6501. Things get a lot more colourful with the bizhub PRO C5501, C6501 and C6501e/eP, enhanced versions of the successful bizhub PRO C5500 and bizhub PRO C6500e/eP. The main improvements have been to image quality and product life, to satisfy ever greater customer requirements. You may also want to see vid of the X new 700 http://members.whattheythink.com/evt/08/drupa/video.cfm?id=34140 John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 13:38:38 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jun 11 13:38:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Grammar question In-Reply-To: <484FC9C6.4499.AED7BCB@slb.inkspot.net> References: <484FA5A8.6046.A60686C@slb.inkspot.net> <001b01c8cbd2$357240f0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> <484FC9C6.4499.AED7BCB@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0806111038h49fa691n96a7e3a5fcc2b95a@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Steve Blatman wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > We have several thousand #9 and #10 envelopes that need printed on the > front > and back of the envelope. I think the words "to be" were inadvertantly left out between "need" and "printed." I have a foolproof spellchecker for that kind of error, and I catch them all the time. It's done by reading the email you just wrote immediately after hitting the "send" button. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From ppiinc7 at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 13:49:38 2008 From: ppiinc7 at gmail.com (John Steffes) Date: Wed Jun 11 13:49:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Grammar question In-Reply-To: <484FCD58.21382.AFB6E29@slb.inkspot.net> References: <484FA5A8.6046.A60686C@slb.inkspot.net> <008901c8cbe4$118574c0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> <484FCD58.21382.AFB6E29@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: Do envelopes have needs? On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Steve Blatman wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Yes, actually. It's the missing "to be" that I was questioning. I > know that the present tense of "to be" is implied in some languages > (Hebrew, for example), but I thought English required it to be > present. > > So, to reiterate, is the usage "needs printed" or "need printed" now > considered acceptable in "standard" American English (whatever that > is)? > > Steve > > > > > > How about "that need to be printed" ? I'm not a grammarian, nor do I play > > one on TV, but I don't think the "on" is needed at all. Kinda like > "where's > > he at?" - it should be "where is he?" > > > > Kevin Kerr > > Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. > > 1900 Merivale Rd. > > Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 > > Tel 613-727-9444 > > Fax 613-727-1945 > > kevin@proprinters.ca > > www.proprinters.ca > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steve Blatman" > > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:49 PM > > Subject: [PrintOwners] Grammar question > > > > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > >> > > >> We have several thousand #9 and #10 envelopes that need printed on... > > > > > > I was taught that the correct expression should be either > > > > > > ....that need to be printed on ...... > > > > > > or > > > > > > ....that need printing on.... > > > > > > This is not intended to denigrate anyone on this list. I thought that > > > the construction ....that need printed on... was a local thing (since > > > we get a lot of German constructions, because of the Pennsylvania > > > Dutch influence in our area), but I've been wrong before. > > > > > > Since we are often called upon to function as our customers' "grammar > > > police," what do you consider the correct form(s)? > > > > > > TIA, > > > Steve > > > > > > Steve Blatman > > > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > > > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > > > Tel: 610-647-0776 > > > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 3178 (20080611) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- John Steffes Printing Plus Delray Beach, FL From bherion at bucksdigital.com Wed Jun 11 13:45:55 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Wed Jun 11 13:51:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: spectrophotometer necessary? In-Reply-To: <20080611171900.F0BFDF819A7@rb.enter.net> References: <20080611171900.F0BFDF819A7@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080611132916.033cd320@bucksdigital.com> Margaret, My advice is 'not at this time'. You have acrobat and you have a method of imposing. Quite Imposing does more than that and we use it daily, but you can go online and get it yourself. After you've had the 242 for awhile, you will determine yourself if you need the other (overpriced) options and can get them, then. As an aside, I've already told Xerox that if they need a spectro-wa-who-zits to make good color output, they should do it, but not with my dime as an option. That's just crazy, isn't it? Best, Bob At 01:19 PM 6/11/2008, you wrote: >We are close to signing a lease on a new 242 xerox. Software is >being pushed with it, color verifier, color profiler, adobe acrobat, >quite impose. >What should we consider for the color software? How much is it >worth? ($3000 through our xerox rep. with spectrophotometer and dongle) >Is quite impose, acrobat (we have it already) necessary / worth it >($2000) when indesign or quark can put things several up for offset >press or copier? > >Margaret > >Designotype Printers, Inc. Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 14:04:59 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jun 11 14:05:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Grammar question In-Reply-To: <484FCD58.21382.AFB6E29@slb.inkspot.net> References: <484FA5A8.6046.A60686C@slb.inkspot.net> <008901c8cbe4$118574c0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> <484FCD58.21382.AFB6E29@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0806111104o3c55b4d3rdc27cd2e9473ca9a@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Steve Blatman wrote: > > > So, to reiterate, is the usage "needs printed" or "need printed" now > considered acceptable in "standard" American English (whatever that > is)? Noty in the English language with which I am familiar. > > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon From jacemeister at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 14:15:34 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Wed Jun 11 14:15:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Web Site Help Message-ID: It's been years since we updated our web site and I need to make some changes but forgot just about everything I had learned! I have turned it over to my prepress tech but she is not familiar with the program, so I am forwarding her question to the list in hopes someone will be able to help her. "In Microsoft Frontpage my buttons are one image that are mapped. Each map is linked to a certain html page. Can I change one of the button's links? If so, do I have to unmap the image and how do I do that?" Your assistance would be greatly appreciated. TIA -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Wed Jun 11 14:16:07 2008 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Wed Jun 11 14:16:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: (OFF) weather In-Reply-To: <484FED0C.8010601@copycats.com> Message-ID: <006001c8cbef$417cf670$5a01a8c0@fileserver> Another good book to read this summer especially with a presidential race going on is one called "Rising Tide" The story of the 1927 Mississippi River flood. This one event changed how America viewed race and changed how society worked more than any other event according to many scholars. I don't know if these scholars believe in global warming or not. It is based primarily in Greenville Mississippi but it also covers in detail the whole nation east of the Rockies. That really was a catastrophe that rivaled Katrina except larger believe it or not. This is a very fascinating book. BTW, my parents were 19 at the time and they lived on the levee at Greenville. My Daddy died believing that people from Arkansas snuck over and blew the levee on the Mississippi side of the river. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robert Stor Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:20 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bringiton!) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Also look at the "Results" page of the Copenhagen Consensus. Note where Global Warming Mitigation (vs R+D) comes i on the list of priorities. I tend to agree with the seeming consensus here - as currently presented, Al Gore & Co are engaged in a boondoggle. However, I am agnostic on whether this is a real problem or not. I think it needs real research before we decide what, if anything, should be done. I don't think the phenomenon can simply dismissed without study. As an aside, I just finished reading Bryson's "A Short History of the World", and I recommend it. It will give you some perspective on the world and life, both its resilience and its fragility. And it will highlight just how much we don't know. And the guy is clever and funny. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Steve Blatman wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > It's also worth checking out this guy's stuff: > > http://www.lomborg.com/ > > He thought debunking "antienvironment" positions would be a good > project for a seminar he was teaching. He and his students found, > contrary to their expectations, that the "environmentalists" were > almost universally wrong, and those attempting to reign them in were > almost universally correct. He published those results in his book, > "The Skeptical Environmentalist." > > His new book, "Cool It: The Skeptical Environmentalist's Guide to > Global Warming" is just as thorough, and, if the footnotes check as > well, just as accurate. IMO, both should be required reading for our > Senate and Congress. > > YMMV, > Steve > > > >> Opinions aside, its a bit more complicated.... >> >> This might be a good place to start: >> >> http://tinyurl.com/2l8wdo >> >> I would say that contrary to what this says: the public is not more >> enlightened, if anything, they're more confused because to many >> non-qualified mouths (read: Hollywood) continue to spew ignorant, >> uneducated, false information. But because they're celebrity, people listen. >> >> The reality is that these models just begin to scratch what we know, >> and don't know about atmospheric chemistry. >> >> The truth is, mother GAIA is one tough gal. >> >> She's got systems within systems, within systems that we've not even >> begun to understand that keep things balanced. >> >> Meanwhile, the nonsense dribbles on.... >> >> S. >> >> >> >> >> >> At 01:52 PM 6/10/2008, you wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Trees absorb CO2 and release oxygen when they're living. >>> >>> Kevin Kerr >>> Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. >>> 1900 Merivale Rd. >>> Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 >>> Tel 613-727-9444 >>> Fax 613-727-1945 >>> kevin@proprinters.ca >>> www.proprinters.ca >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Watt" >>> To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:45 PM >>> Subject: RE: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - >>> bringiton!) >>> >>> >>> >>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>> >>>> Yes, Ron, you make a good point. I know there is some truth to this. In >>>> fact, the warming climate in British Columbia is causing a massive >>>> infestation of, I think it's called the Spruce Budworm, which is rapidly >>>> destroying the spruce forests there and these trees are emitting copious >>>> amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere as they die. >>>> >>>> I am still of the opinion, however, that trees on balance, absorb a lot more >>>> CO2 than they emit. No, I can't back that up. >>>> >>>> Gordon Watt >>>> Xoxo Cyberprint Inc >>>> Toronto >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >>>> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Sardo >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:31 PM >>>> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >>>> Subject: Re: (OFF) RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - >>>> bringiton!) >>>> >>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>> >>>> Gordon Watt wrote: >>>> >>>>> nd you name it. >>>>> >>>>> We have cut down most of the world's trees which absorb carbon dioxide >>>>> >>>> from >>>> >>>>> the air. >>>>> >>>> http://www.wired.com/science/planetearth/magazine/16-06/ff_heresies_04forest >>>> s >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ron Sardo >>>> Sugarloaf Print Shop >>>> mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com >>>> www.sugarloafprint.com >>>> 570-788-5099 . Fax: 570-788-6077 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> __________ NOD32 3174 (20080610) Information __________ >>> >>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Scott Cappel >> >> Sorrento Mesa Printing >> 7398 Trade Street >> San Diego, CA 92121-2422 >> 858-527-0800 >> 858-527-1740 FAX >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com >> >> LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa >> >> Direct Links for Learning: >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html >> >> Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider >> Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider >> Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level >> Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider >> >> Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3177 (20080611) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3177 (20080611) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Wed Jun 11 14:18:16 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Wed Jun 11 14:18:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL who? Pony express here-off Message-ID: We live far out of Tucson in the desert on horse property. One of our neighbor ladies is kind enough to saddle up and go to the po boxes way down the dirt road. She brings our mail and sips tea w/my wife. We have a 5 horse hitchin post in the driveway. Hey, she is 76 and just sold her cattle ranch outside of Tombstone. She actually prefers to climb our fence, instead of coming in the front door. No joke. I just love her. Pony express....It still works. We could use her hoofprints for tracking.... (lame attempt at humor) (Did you know that American Express started as a pony express delivery company? It's true.) thanks for reading my humble tome. Larry DPP Somewhere in indian country DHL to suspend home deliveries To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I have friends working on a project for the USPS to create a tracking system to compete with FedEx, UPS, etc. Its coming. Who knows how long it will take though. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 From slb at inkspot.net Wed Jun 11 14:18:06 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Jun 11 14:18:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Grammar question In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0806111104o3c55b4d3rdc27cd2e9473ca9a@mail.gmail.com> References: <484FA5A8.6046.A60686C@slb.inkspot.net>, <484FCD58.21382.AFB6E29@slb.inkspot.net>, <98f5b19a0806111104o3c55b4d3rdc27cd2e9473ca9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <484FDE9E.958.B3EE9B4@slb.inkspot.net> > > So, to reiterate, is the usage "needs printed" or "need printed" now > > considered acceptable in "standard" American English (whatever that > > is)? > > Noty in the English language with which I am familiar. > Thanks. I guess I'll continue to consider a "Pennsylvania Dutch-ism," and suggest corrections to my customers, while politely ignoring employees' tendencies to that usage. (No, it's not our dtp guy. We have one employee who is a descendant of an individual to whom William Penn granted land. Since he grew up in a fairly rural part of Pennsylvania, some of the "localisms" are habitual.) Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Jun 11 14:18:55 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Jun 11 14:19:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Windows on a Mac Message-ID: I use parallels with no problems and it is pretty inexpensive....need it to use printers plan on my mac book pro. robin Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 Wright Printing Company 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Jun 11 14:23:31 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Jun 11 14:23:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] C6500 - KM Corporate or independent dealer?? Message-ID: Eric, Charlene is right. I got a fantastic (UNbelievable) deal on a new color box from corporate. Big deal!!! Local dealer couldn't service, nobody trained, couldn't care less and wasn't even stocking parts! So I had a great box at a great price --just couldn't use the machine! SERVICE is everything! Without good service you won't have good quality to sell and your machine won't be up so you can meet deadlines -- without service you don't have anything! Service over price always! I learned the hard way. Was lucky to get out of the "deal" but....lots of lost time and frustration. Why do I always learn the hard way???? Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 Wright Printing Company 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From eupinc at aol.com Wed Jun 11 14:28:05 2008 From: eupinc at aol.com (eupinc@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 11 14:28:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Polar 55 em Blades In-Reply-To: <484FDE9E.958.B3EE9B4@slb.inkspot.net> References: <484FA5A8.6046.A60686C@slb.inkspot.net>, <484FCD58.21382.AFB6E29@slb.inkspot.net>, <98f5b19a0806111104o3c55b4d3rdc27cd2e9473ca9a@mail.gmail.com> <484FDE9E.958.B3EE9B4@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <8CA9A0805F97F84-11A4-1E13@webmail-stg-d05.sysops.aol.com> I have 4 extra blades for sale, sharp give me a call Dave 440.823.8361 EUP -----Original Message----- From: Steve Blatman To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 2:18 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Grammar question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > So, to reiterate, is the usage "needs printed" or "need printed" now > > considered acceptable in "standard" American English (whatever that > > is)? > > Noty in the English language with which I am familiar. > Thanks. I guess I'll continue to consider a "Pennsylvania Dutch-ism," and suggest corrections to my customers, while politely ignoring employees' tendencies to that usage. (No, it's not our dtp guy. We have one employee who is a descendant of an individual to whom William Penn granted land. Since he grew up in a fairly rural part of Pennsylvania, some of the "localisms" are habitual.) Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Jun 11 14:34:38 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 11 14:34:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Web Site Help Message-ID: In a message dated 6/11/2008 2:17:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jacemeister@gmail.com writes: Can I change one of the button's links? If so, do I have to unmap the image and how do I do that?" Jace, if you simply want to change where that button or word will take the reader it is easy. Click on the button you want to edit in the normal editing mode, then click the button or word you are using, then click above on the tool bar where it has the globe and link symbol which is "Insert Link." That will take you to the link page and you insert the address of where you want the link to take you. You will see the current format and current address below, and that is where you will change it and save it. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Wed Jun 11 14:38:01 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Wed Jun 11 14:38:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Grammar question In-Reply-To: <20080611181638.4FEECF81CB4@rb.enter.net> References: <20080611181638.4FEECF81CB4@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <50F0952E-59F5-46C9-BBAD-E3F91A01C9B2@sheergraphics.com> ..... I have a foolproof spellchecker ..... Oh dear! My spell checker corrects 'inadvertantly' to 'inadvertEntly'. >>> We have several thousand #9 and #10 envelopes that need printed on >>> the >> front >> and back of the envelope. > > > I think the words "to be" were inadvertantly left out between "need" > and > "printed." I have a foolproof spellchecker for that kind of error, > and I > catch them all the time. It's done by reading the email you just wrote > immediately after hitting the "send" button. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From jann at jannsdesign.com Wed Jun 11 14:45:18 2008 From: jann at jannsdesign.com (Jann Leger) Date: Wed Jun 11 14:45:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Web Site Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2166.68.116.40.23.1213209918.squirrel@members.ccountry.net> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > and whatever you do, don't cut the red wire! (or yellow, I forget.) > > > In a message dated 6/11/2008 2:17:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > jacemeister@gmail.com writes: > > Can I change one of the button's links? If so, do I have to unmap the > image > and how do I do that?" > > > > Jace, if you simply want to change where that button or word will take > the > reader it is easy. Click on the button you want to edit in the normal > editing > mode, then click the button or word you are using, then click above on > the > tool bar where it has the globe and link symbol which is "Insert Link." > That > will take you to the link page and you insert the address of where you > want the > link to take you. You will see the current format and current address > below, > and that is where you will change it and save it. > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best > 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > Jann Leger's Intuitive Design www.myorderdesk.com/janns print@jannsdesign.com 541.476.3502 Document & Publication Design From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 15:24:10 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jun 11 15:24:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Grammar question In-Reply-To: <50F0952E-59F5-46C9-BBAD-E3F91A01C9B2@sheergraphics.com> References: <20080611181638.4FEECF81CB4@rb.enter.net> <50F0952E-59F5-46C9-BBAD-E3F91A01C9B2@sheergraphics.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0806111224g777fe703vbdf783931deb14b0@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Simon Sheers wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > ..... I have a foolproof spellchecker ..... > > Oh dear! My spell checker corrects 'inadvertantly' to 'inadvertEntly'. Yup, Simon. My eyeball spellchecker caught that, too. Right after I hit the send button and reread what I wrote! -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Wed Jun 11 15:29:25 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Wed Jun 11 15:30:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xante / Rip It Consumable agreement In-Reply-To: <83F76BEE-9009-4796-A1FF-C86E194FEF72@inkonpaper.biz> References: <83F76BEE-9009-4796-A1FF-C86E194FEF72@inkonpaper.biz> Message-ID: We do the consumeables contract. If you agree to purchase 48 rolls of either plate or film material during the year, maintenance contract is no charge. If 24 rolls, then you pay 1/2 price. We go with 24 rolls, billed and shipped quarterly, because that is how many rolls we actually use per year. Their price is also about $5/roll less expensive than our old supplier was. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Loren Maurina Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:55 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Xante / Rip It Consumable agreement ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Craig, I think I'm confused I had to pay for the service contract up front for the year, instead of the old quaterly payments. We don't do the consumables contract with RipIt loren On Jun 10, 2008, at 4:03 PM, Craig Baise wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Loren - thanks for your reply - just want to be sure - do they charge > for the expected purchases for the year at the start of the year?? > Thanks craig > > > On 6/10/08 12:20 PM, "Loren Maurina" wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> YES >> >> As much as I didn't want to do it, I had no choice >> >> >> On Jun 10, 2008, at 1:51 PM, Craig Baise wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> We have a rip it imagesetter - Xante wants us to sign an agreement >>> that says _ 12 month agreement with automatic renewal and the >>> minimum commitment for the year is payable at the start of the >>> agreement. Verbally, they denied it said that but it does. We said >>> we want it amended to say that we pay as we purchase and they said >>> no changes to the agreement. 1. Has anyone else been asked to sign >>> this? 2. If so, have they charged your card for the full commitment >>> at the start? Thanks Craig C. Baise Sutter Printing >>> 916.446.0167 office >>> www.sutterprinting.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >> >> Loren Maurina >> President >> L & L Printing, Inc. >> dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp >> dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren >> >> ph (586) 263-0060 >> fx (586) 263-4895 >> >> Loren@InkOnPaper.biz >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > Craig C. Baise > Sutter Printing > 916.446.0167 office > www.sutterprinting.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Jun 11 15:54:40 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Jun 11 15:55:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] C6500 - KM Corporate or independent dealer?? In-Reply-To: <8CA99F33C5591A1-1A18-72E@WEBMAIL-MC06.sysops.aol.com> References: <54620.192.168.1.70.1213149409.webmail@192.168.1.70> <8CA99F33C5591A1-1A18-72E@WEBMAIL-MC06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <200806111955.m5BJtF5H031715@i2bnetworks.com> Go with the KMBS. Even if they are more expensive. They seem to have the best trained techs, and they are answerable to Chuck Slaughter and in a way NAQP and all of us here. They are the benchmark, we know how they work and what they are capable of delivering. S. At 08:59 AM 6/11/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Eric, > > > >We are seriously looking at the KM6500 also, I'd >be interested to learn what your machine price and click rate quotes are. > >We have an independent dealer, IKON and KMBS >close by (no guarantee they'll stay where they >are). They are both offering free use of their >machines if ours ever goes down on a deadline >sensitive job, and they can't get service quick >enough.? ? I know one of the techs at IKON (from >outside of the business relationship), but I am >leaning towards KMBS. They seem to know more >about the machines, and have specialists who only sell this product. > > > > >I like the quality of the Canon 7000VP, but >after reading about the downtime issues here and >on another online forum, I'm a little nervous about that machine. > > > > >Thanks, in advance, for your input. > > >Ken Azebu >Communicart Graphics & Printing >499 Aldo Avenue >Santa Clara, CA 95054 >(408) 970-0922 >(408) 970-8630 Fax > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Eric Weber >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners >Only >Sent: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 6:56 pm >Subject: [PrintOwners] C6500 - KM Corporate or independent dealer?? > > > > > > > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >We are strongly considering a KM c6500. > >I have two proposals from independent dealers - >both matching national contract >pricing. One even throwing in the first 50,000 clicks. > >I called the National Account Manager and he is strongly urging purchasing >direct from the Konica-Minolta branch in my >area. Lots of sales blab as to why >... blah, blah, blah. > >His strongest point might be (as I see it) that the K-M direct route would >better take care of engineering retrofits (and the like) after purchase. He >claims the independent dealers would probably do nothing of that sort. > >Anyone have any experience to that effect?? > >TIA ... > >*********************************************** >Eric Weber >Sales / General Manager / Vice President > >PrintDigital Inc. >4688 Darrow Rd., Stow, OH 44224 >330-686-5945 Fax 330-686-5329 >www.printdigitalinc.com eric@printdigitalinc.com > >***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: >This e-mail and any attachments are confidential >and may be protected by legal >privilege. 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Thank you for >your co-operation. >*********************************************** > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3177 (20080611) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From MikeStevens at Gutenblog.com Wed Jun 11 15:55:41 2008 From: MikeStevens at Gutenblog.com (Mike Stevens) Date: Wed Jun 11 15:55:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Surprising Fed-Ex Shipping Rates Message-ID: <6DEAAED8-6159-478C-9885-933C8D4AADEE@Gutenblog.com> I recently sold my 47-year-old collection of Lionel Electric toy trains on E-Bay. Knowing I'd have to ship out many, many different sized boxes of varying weights and sizes, I studied UPS, DHL, USPS and FedEx. What I found surprised me a lot. The lowest-priced and best value was FedEx Ground. They were consistently as low priced as USPS Parcel Post, but offered these advantages: ? tracking numbers ? friendly customer service and short lines ? fast and easy-to-use paperwork ? "ground rates," but in fact many of my packages were delivered by the second day. I don't think FedEx lets boxes sit around. I shipped 162 parcels weighing from one pound to 47 pounds in 30 days without a hitch. FedEx Ground was a great help. Kindest regards and happy printing, Mike Mike Stevens Executive Suite 222 3137 32nd Avenue South Fargo, North Dakota 58103 1-701-241-9204 MikeStevens@Gutenblog.com www.WebsitesForPrinters.com www.DirectMailForPrinters.com From ron at printingconcepts.com Wed Jun 11 16:15:16 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Wed Jun 11 16:15:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] ColorCon Inks? Message-ID: Have a customer who has asked about these inks, which we think might be silk screen. Does anyone in this vast repository of knowlege know anything about these? Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons" "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, and of the merchants a merchant." RALPH WALDO EMERSON Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From printer at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 11 16:27:30 2008 From: printer at sbcglobal.net (Don Black) Date: Wed Jun 11 16:27:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Surprising Fed-Ex Shipping Rates Message-ID: <789918.43572.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We have used FedEx Ground shipping for many years with no problems.? None.?? Don Black Sprekelmeyer Printing Ardmore, Oklahoma www.PrintArdmore.com ----- Original Message ---- > From: Mike Stevens > To: printowners@printweb.org > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:55:41 PM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Surprising Fed-Ex Shipping Rates > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I recently sold my 47-year-old collection of Lionel Electric toy? > trains on E-Bay. Knowing I'd have to ship out many, many different? > sized boxes of varying weights and sizes, I studied UPS, DHL, USPS? > and FedEx. What I found surprised me a lot. > > The lowest-priced and best value was FedEx Ground. They were? > consistently as low priced as USPS Parcel Post, but offered these? > advantages: > > ??? ? tracking numbers > ??? ? friendly customer service and short lines > ??? ? fast and easy-to-use paperwork > ??? ? "ground rates," but in fact many of my packages were delivered by? > the second day. I don't think FedEx lets boxes sit around. > > I shipped 162 parcels weighing from one pound to 47 pounds in 30 days? > without a hitch. FedEx Ground was a great help. > > Kindest regards and happy printing, > > Mike > > Mike Stevens > Executive Suite 222 > 3137 32nd Avenue South > Fargo, North Dakota 58103 > 1-701-241-9204 > MikeStevens@Gutenblog.com > > www.WebsitesForPrinters.com > www.DirectMailForPrinters.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From hal at pickimp.com Wed Jun 11 16:38:04 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Wed Jun 11 16:34:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] ColorCon Inks? References: Message-ID: <000701c8cc03$1006abe0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> For example, Colorcon inks that meet indirect contact specifications are used on packages that might accidentally be ingested by children Google is such a nice tool. Hal From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Jun 11 16:43:26 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Jun 11 16:43:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] IKON CPP 650 CPP Finishing Options? Message-ID: <8BAFDFBF-E0C9-480E-A6E2-7D56D7EA4C29@protypeonline.com> There are two different finishing options for the cpp650 -- I'm working from home today and can't find the information on the internet, IKON's site or anyplace. One option has a stapler that staples 50 sheets of paper and the other, higher end finishing option can staple 100 sheets. What are the different model numbers for these finishers and what are the other differences? Robin p.s. trying to see if my salesman is playing the "bate and switch" game. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 Wright Printing Company 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From tracey at targetcopy.com Wed Jun 11 16:45:14 2008 From: tracey at targetcopy.com (Tracey Cohen) Date: Wed Jun 11 16:45:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Surprising Fed-Ex Shipping Rates In-Reply-To: <789918.43572.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <789918.43572.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a801c8cc04$0e6b55f0$2b4201d0$@com> We are a quick printer / retail copy shop with a Kinkos across the street, so I tend to look at FedEx as direct competition. It's probably silly, but I will almost always choose to use UPS over FedEx to avoid feeding the beast. Tracey G. Cohen President Target Copy 850.224.3007 850.325.3668 fax 635 West Tennessee Street Tallahassee, Fl 32304 www.targetcopy.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Don Black Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 4:28 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Surprising Fed-Ex Shipping Rates ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have used FedEx Ground shipping for many years with no problems. None. Don Black Sprekelmeyer Printing Ardmore, Oklahoma www.PrintArdmore.com ----- Original Message ---- > From: Mike Stevens > To: printowners@printweb.org > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:55:41 PM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Surprising Fed-Ex Shipping Rates > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I recently sold my 47-year-old collection of Lionel Electric toy > trains on E-Bay. Knowing I'd have to ship out many, many different > sized boxes of varying weights and sizes, I studied UPS, DHL, USPS > and FedEx. What I found surprised me a lot. > > The lowest-priced and best value was FedEx Ground. They were > consistently as low priced as USPS Parcel Post, but offered these > advantages: > > ? tracking numbers > ? friendly customer service and short lines > ? fast and easy-to-use paperwork > ? "ground rates," but in fact many of my packages were delivered by > the second day. I don't think FedEx lets boxes sit around. > > I shipped 162 parcels weighing from one pound to 47 pounds in 30 days > without a hitch. FedEx Ground was a great help. > > Kindest regards and happy printing, > > Mike > > Mike Stevens > Executive Suite 222 > 3137 32nd Avenue South > Fargo, North Dakota 58103 > 1-701-241-9204 > MikeStevens@Gutenblog.com > > www.WebsitesForPrinters.com > www.DirectMailForPrinters.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From greg at pressexpress.org Wed Jun 11 16:47:17 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed Jun 11 16:47:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Surprising Fed-Ex Shipping Rates In-Reply-To: <6DEAAED8-6159-478C-9885-933C8D4AADEE@Gutenblog.com> References: <6DEAAED8-6159-478C-9885-933C8D4AADEE@Gutenblog.com> Message-ID: This information is invaluable! I was just considering changing from UPS due to problems. This helps my decision. 47 year old collection? Must have been difficult to part with it. Greg On Jun 11, 2008, at 2:55 PM, Mike Stevens wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I recently sold my 47-year-old collection of Lionel Electric toy > trains on E-Bay. Knowing I'd have to ship out many, many different > sized boxes of varying weights and sizes, I studied UPS, DHL, USPS > and FedEx. What I found surprised me a lot. > > The lowest-priced and best value was FedEx Ground. They were > consistently as low priced as USPS Parcel Post, but offered these > advantages: > > ? tracking numbers > ? friendly customer service and short lines > ? fast and easy-to-use paperwork > ? "ground rates," but in fact many of my packages were delivered by > the second day. I don't think FedEx lets boxes sit around. > > I shipped 162 parcels weighing from one pound to 47 pounds in 30 > days without a hitch. FedEx Ground was a great help. > > Kindest regards and happy printing, > > Mike > > Mike Stevens > Executive Suite 222 > 3137 32nd Avenue South > Fargo, North Dakota 58103 > 1-701-241-9204 > MikeStevens@Gutenblog.com > > www.WebsitesForPrinters.com > www.DirectMailForPrinters.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From greg at pressexpress.org Wed Jun 11 16:50:00 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed Jun 11 16:50:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Surprising Fed-Ex Shipping Rates In-Reply-To: <00a801c8cc04$0e6b55f0$2b4201d0$@com> References: <789918.43572.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00a801c8cc04$0e6b55f0$2b4201d0$@com> Message-ID: <6C7F9C48-C833-4871-BF8E-20E513E844F6@pressexpress.org> I on the other hand compete with a UPS Store. I guess it is 6 of this, a half dozen of that. UPS also has a territory hub in town too so when I ship, I deliver to the counter at the hub. Greg On Jun 11, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Tracey Cohen wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are a quick printer / retail copy shop with a Kinkos across the > street, so I tend to look at FedEx as direct competition. It's > probably silly, but I will almost always choose to use UPS over > FedEx to avoid feeding the beast. > > Tracey G. Cohen > President > Target Copy > 850.224.3007 > 850.325.3668 fax > 635 West Tennessee Street > Tallahassee, Fl 32304 > www.targetcopy.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org > ] On Behalf Of Don Black > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 4:28 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Surprising Fed-Ex Shipping Rates > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have used FedEx Ground shipping for many years with no problems. > None. > Don Black > Sprekelmeyer Printing > Ardmore, Oklahoma > www.PrintArdmore.com > > > ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Mike Stevens >> To: printowners@printweb.org >> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:55:41 PM >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Surprising Fed-Ex Shipping Rates >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I recently sold my 47-year-old collection of Lionel Electric toy >> trains on E-Bay. Knowing I'd have to ship out many, many different >> sized boxes of varying weights and sizes, I studied UPS, DHL, USPS >> and FedEx. What I found surprised me a lot. >> >> The lowest-priced and best value was FedEx Ground. They were >> consistently as low priced as USPS Parcel Post, but offered these >> advantages: >> >> ? tracking numbers >> ? friendly customer service and short lines >> ? fast and easy-to-use paperwork >> ? "ground rates," but in fact many of my packages were delivered >> by >> the second day. I don't think FedEx lets boxes sit around. >> >> I shipped 162 parcels weighing from one pound to 47 pounds in 30 days >> without a hitch. FedEx Ground was a great help. >> >> Kindest regards and happy printing, >> >> Mike >> >> Mike Stevens >> Executive Suite 222 >> 3137 32nd Avenue South >> Fargo, North Dakota 58103 >> 1-701-241-9204 >> MikeStevens@Gutenblog.com >> >> www.WebsitesForPrinters.com >> www.DirectMailForPrinters.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From char at themasterspress.com Wed Jun 11 16:59:10 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Wed Jun 11 16:59:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] IKON CPP 650 CPP Finishing Options? In-Reply-To: <8BAFDFBF-E0C9-480E-A6E2-7D56D7EA4C29@protypeonline.com> References: <8BAFDFBF-E0C9-480E-A6E2-7D56D7EA4C29@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <00ce01c8cc06$09e7dec0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Just happened to have that info right before me as I have been looking at it myself. The smaller unit is FS-607 for NAQP price of $$2277.00 The larger unit is SD-501 for $13,600. I don't know a whole lot about the differences except I have the smaller one on my C500. It is just OK for books. We have a hard time getting the staples to really line up well, the folding is not very tight at all unless it is a very small book and 50 sheets....... ??? The bigger unit is more like the larger capacity booklet makers. Stronger, tighter folder, says it staples 100 sheets. But ever try to fold 100 sheets in half. Doesn't happen but I am sure it will staple that in the corner. It is probably like getting the small booklet maker machine for $8000 or the Horizon or Duplo for $30,000. A lot of difference in the machine. I just had a used car salesman :-) try and sell me a used 6500 with a booklet maker which he was making a big deal of. When I told him the difference in the prices he was amazed. He was thinking it was this huge selling point. It had an embedded rip, and he was wanting almost as much as we can get a brand new machine with a external rip. Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:43 PM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] IKON CPP 650 CPP Finishing Options? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** There are two different finishing options for the cpp650 -- I'm working from home today and can't find the information on the internet, IKON's site or anyplace. One option has a stapler that staples 50 sheets of paper and the other, higher end finishing option can staple 100 sheets. What are the different model numbers for these finishers and what are the other differences? Robin p.s. trying to see if my salesman is playing the "bate and switch" game. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 Wright Printing Company 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3179 (20080611) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3179 (20080611) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From communicar at aol.com Wed Jun 11 17:00:50 2008 From: communicar at aol.com (communicar@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 11 17:01:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] IKON CPP 650 CPP Finishing Options? In-Reply-To: <8BAFDFBF-E0C9-480E-A6E2-7D56D7EA4C29@protypeonline.com> References: <8BAFDFBF-E0C9-480E-A6E2-7D56D7EA4C29@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <8CA9A1D5C480F82-DA8-24E7@FWM-D14.sysops.aol.com> Robin, Here is the KMBS info:?http://kmbs.konicaminolta.us/content/products/models/bizhubPROC6500.html The product specs has all the finishing and RIP options available. The FS-503 can staple 100 sheets; I'm not real clear, but I think the FS-503 with the FD-501 folder can saddlestitch, but no face trim; the SD-501 can saddlestitch 50 sheets, and face trim. The LS-501 is the large capacity (5,000 sheet) stacker with the roll away cart. What is the machine price they are quoting, and do they have any info on the 6501? Ken Azebu Communicart Graphics & Printing 499 Aldo Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408) 970-0922 (408) 970-8630 Fax -----Original Message----- From: Robin Niewold To: printowners printowners Sent: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 1:43 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] IKON CPP 650 CPP Finishing Options? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? There are two different finishing options for the cpp650 -- I'm working from home today and can't find the information on the internet, IKON's site or anyplace.? One option has a stapler that staples 50 sheets of paper and the other, higher end finishing option can staple 100 sheets. What are the different model numbers for these finishers and what are the other differences?? Robin? ? p.s. trying to see if my salesman is playing the "bate and switch" game.? ? Robin Niewold? robin@protypeonline.com? ? Pro-Type Printing, Inc.? 130 N. Market Street? Paxton, IL 60957? 217.379.4715? ? Wright Printing Company? 203 North Street? Normal, IL 61761? 309.452.4409? ? ? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From dvmonto at optonline.net Wed Jun 11 17:03:28 2008 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Wed Jun 11 17:03:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] IKON CPP 650 CPP Finishing Options? In-Reply-To: <8BAFDFBF-E0C9-480E-A6E2-7D56D7EA4C29@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: 15ae is the 100 sheet stapler finisher. I did not get the 50 sheeter so I have no clue. On 6/11/08 4:43 PM, "Robin Niewold" wrote: > There are two different finishing options for the cpp650 -- I'm > working from home today and can't find the information on the > internet, IKON's site or anyplace. > One option has a stapler that staples 50 sheets of paper and the > other, higher end finishing option can staple 100 sheets. What are the > different model numbers for these finishers and what are the other > differences? > Robin > > p.s. trying to see if my salesman is playing the "bate and switch" game. > > > Robin Niewold > robin@protypeonline.com > > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > > Wright Printing Company > 203 North Street > Normal, IL 61761 > 309.452.4409 > > > > > > From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Jun 11 17:04:49 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Jun 11 17:05:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] C6500 - KM Corporate or independent dealer?? Message-ID: <12AAB54B-7F1B-4CC3-923F-4584C35330BD@protypeonline.com> with all due respect Scott, I strongly disagree with your logic on this subject. .....with all due respect is what the manager at our new location says to me when she really wants to say to me, "what the 'H' are you thinking". :) Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 Wright Printing Company 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From ron at printingconcepts.com Wed Jun 11 17:05:55 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Wed Jun 11 17:06:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming--Vaclav Havel In-Reply-To: <484FACCF.20358.A7C58EF@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: The Czech president Vaclav Havel has made some penetrating insights into the environmental movement in a couple of articles I have read, I believe in the Cato newsletter. According to Haval, the movement is highly ideological (witness no rational cost/benefit filter for decision making) and represents another attempt by the left to regulate lives. I consider myself neither conservative nor liberal, I have friends in both camps. I was amused by one friend who is a born-again evangelical Prius owner (he's got 5 of his other friends to buy them) I told him it was more environmentally friendly for me to keep driving my 2000 Honda Accord that gets 26mpg rather than the environmental burden of an entire new car, i.e., gobs of steel, plastic, etc. all of which consumes more energy than the Prius will save in its lifecycle. Gee, he hadn't thought of that. Has anyone calculated the environmental cost of the Prius' batteries? My guess is that one is farther ahead money wise and environmentally buying a high mileage conventional car that gets slightly less mileage than the Prius. If something is more expensive, it's a pretty good bet that the extra expense represents energy expense. These fools can't get that recycled paper costs more because it probably uses more energy to de-ink, etc. than using pulpwood grown at incredible efficiencies of production and transport. We had a customer that insisted on AIR FREIGHTING special 100% recycled paper from CA. The air freight bill alone was over $500! My practical suggestion for helping the environment is this: Quit using your garbage disposal or trash for vegetable waste. Save you scraps and either compost them or if you are too lazy for that (which I am) simply shove them under a bush. It will keep the stuff out of the landfill (methane generation, worse than CO2)or lower the burden on your local waste water system, all the while improving the soil in your garden or shrub beds. (Do not put any animal products, meat, grease, etc., this will attract rats). Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons" "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, and of the merchants a merchant." RALPH WALDO EMERSON Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:46 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring it on!) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Gail, It's interesting to note that recycling often increases our costs vs "virgin" materials. In some cases, the costs are sufficiently higher that you can't even justify them by the reduction in disposal costs. However, it's something that, as a wealthier society, we can choose to do. Unlike the "fashionably vocal," I don't see not having bought an SUV as a virtue. I've owned more than one, as shop delivery vehicles. I buy older, used vehicles, so my choices are often more limited, but, IMO, it should be more a matter of the choice that works for your needs and/or wants, rather than the choice someone else thinks is better for you. http://tinyurl.com/5pld4g has an interesting take on the comparative costs of a Pious and an SUV--if you look at gallons of fuel per passenger mile, the SUV might well be the better choice. YMMV (in many ways...), Steve > > > How about this one: > > Choose a cause that will allow you to feel virtuous about making > small changes in your life (recycling your trash, changing to a > different kind of light bulb) while at the same time preaching about > how other people should make huge changes to theirs. > > I was president of my high school Ecology Club 25 years ago, I've > been recycling since before it was "cool." I have an organic garden > and don't use lawn chemicals, and I have never bought an SUV or high > mileage car. To me these sorts of things just make sense. But I don't > believe the nonsense about Global Warming, and I won't until the true > believer crowd all move to small houses, start bicycling, and worry > more about their own "carbon footprint" than about mine. > > Gail Finke > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, OH 45231 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > (513) 522-2679 > Fax 522-2692 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > info@brentwood-printing.com > www.brentwood-printing.com > > > > > On Aug 10, 2008, at 3:11 PM, Steve Blatman wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >> Anyway, how does one start a campaign such as global warming which > >> causes everyone to talk about the campaign and some to even change > >> their lifestyles? > > > > > > 1. Pay no attention to the relevant scientific data. > > > > 2. Choose a cause that enables you to feel virtuous about saving > > something, or rescuing something from some putative evil force, > > regardless of whether either the feeling of virtue or the putative > > evil is, in fact, virtuous or evil, respectively. This works better > > with people for whom it is a substitute for a conventional religious > > belief system. > > > > 3. Make sure your chosen cause will require a virtuous or enlightened > > minority to exert control over the lives and choices of those seen as > > less virtuous, less enlightened, less educated, less sophisticated, > > or otherwise classifiable as "the great unwashed." > > > > If you've chosen well, you'll fire the imagination of the left, which > > will play well with the mainstream media and the hollyweird types, > > and your battle will be only a matter of time.... > > > > YMMV, > > Steve > > > > Steve Blatman > > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > > Tel: 610-647-0776 > > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3177 (20080611) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From hal at pickimp.com Wed Jun 11 17:19:14 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Wed Jun 11 17:15:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming--Vaclav Havel References: Message-ID: <002201c8cc08$ce6cca60$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> <(Do not put any animal products, meat, grease, etc., this will attract rats). I agree, but you missed the real point here. The vegetable matter in the bushes will attract bunnies and your wife will smile when she sees them in the yard. That's reason enough. Hal From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Jun 11 17:31:00 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Jun 11 17:31:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] IKON CPP 650 CPP Finishing Options? Message-ID: Ken, I have a price of $32,838 for CPP650 with doc feeder, large capacity paper drawers, FS607 finisher, spectrometer, hard disk drive and buffer pass, Fiery Pro 80 external rip -- Delivered, installed, training -- install includes rip drivers, set-up on network, yadda, yadda. Click charge for color/all sizes: $0.045 locked for 3 years. I think its a good deal and signed the contract last Friday. Today the sales guy came in (I am home) and told my manager he was confused on the finisher when he told me what I was getting and that he needed to talk to me. I won't be available to him until tomorrow so wanted to get as much info. as possible before that time. From the info. Charlene provided, I believe I am getting what I thought I was getting AND is stated. Now I just need to make sure he isn't going to try to change anything. Of course, all upgrades will be accepted! :)) Robin Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 Wright Printing Company 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Wed Jun 11 17:42:13 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Wed Jun 11 17:42:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Carbonless forms, prescription paper and Crack'N Peel source Message-ID: <00b801c8cc0c$029433c0$6401a8c0@coranew> I just found out about another company that has lots better pricing than my current vendor here in town and even better than E-paper. The company is called Specialty Papers & Supplies. Example: 2 part carbs 8.5x11" 20# is $17.95M. I am paying $29.95. If you order at least a carton, they don't charge for shipping. You can order less than a carton, but then they add shipping. They have prescription pad paper and Crack-N Peel, etc. Specialty Papers & Supplies, LLC 12244 St. Charles Rock Rd., Suite 179 Bridgeton, Mo 63044 Phone: 866-774-7707 Fax: 888-517-2614 Email: specialtypapers@gmail.com Chris Lippmann is the one that I talked to. I think he is the owner or manager??? Just thought I would share, Cora. Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From communicar at aol.com Wed Jun 11 17:46:21 2008 From: communicar at aol.com (communicar@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 11 17:46:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] C6500 - KM Corporate or independent dealer?? In-Reply-To: <12AAB54B-7F1B-4CC3-923F-4584C35330BD@protypeonline.com> References: <12AAB54B-7F1B-4CC3-923F-4584C35330BD@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <8CA9A23B7C26CF6-DA8-284A@FWM-D14.sysops.aol.com> Talk to the service manager. Once the sale is done, you'll need him and the service team to be willing to work with you. The sales dude/gal will be long gone. I like the idea that the manufacturer will usually have deeper pockets, and more inventory to service customers.? I ran a series of screen tints (11 x 17 sheet, approx 1.5" x 11" bars 10% increments, one page for each process color as test images, and then one page as a composite. There was a slight fading on just the black print. At that time we called in the service manager to get his input, and commitment that if it could be seen, it would be serviced. FWIW, Ken Azebu Communicart Graphics & Printing 499 Aldo Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408) 970-0922 (408) 970-8630 Fax -----Original Message----- From: Robin Niewold To: printowners printowners Sent: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 2:04 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] C6500 - KM Corporate or independent dealer?? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? with all due respect Scott, I strongly disagree with your logic on this subject.? .....with all due respect is what the manager at our new location says to me when she really wants to say to me, "what the 'H' are you thinking".? :)? ? Robin Niewold? robin@protypeonline.com? ? Pro-Type Printing, Inc.? 130 N. Market Street? Paxton, IL 60957? 217.379.4715? ? Wright Printing Company? 203 North Street? Normal, IL 61761? 309.452.4409? ? ? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Wed Jun 11 17:56:47 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Wed Jun 11 17:56:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming--Vaclav Havel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-dama ge/ Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Ron Taggart > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:05:55 -0400 > To: printowners > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming--Vaclav Havel > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The Czech president Vaclav Havel has made some penetrating insights into the > environmental movement in a couple of articles I have read, I believe in the > Cato newsletter. According to Haval, the movement is highly ideological > (witness no rational cost/benefit filter for decision making) and represents > another attempt by the left to regulate lives. > > I consider myself neither conservative nor liberal, I have friends in both > camps. I was amused by one friend who is a born-again evangelical Prius > owner (he's got 5 of his other friends to buy them) I told him it was more > environmentally friendly for me to keep driving my 2000 Honda Accord that > gets 26mpg rather than the environmental burden of an entire new car, i.e., > gobs of steel, plastic, etc. all of which consumes more energy than the > Prius will save in its lifecycle. Gee, he hadn't thought of that. Has > anyone calculated the environmental cost of the Prius' batteries? My guess > is that one is farther ahead money wise and environmentally buying a high > mileage conventional car that gets slightly less mileage than the Prius. > > If something is more expensive, it's a pretty good bet that the extra > expense represents energy expense. These fools can't get that recycled > paper costs more because it probably uses more energy to de-ink, etc. than > using pulpwood grown at incredible efficiencies of production and transport. > We had a customer that insisted on AIR FREIGHTING special 100% recycled > paper from CA. The air freight bill alone was over $500! > > My practical suggestion for helping the environment is this: Quit using > your garbage disposal or trash for vegetable waste. Save you scraps and > either compost them or if you are too lazy for that (which I am) simply > shove them under a bush. It will keep the stuff out of the landfill > (methane generation, worse than CO2)or lower the burden on your local waste > water system, all the while improving the soil in your garden or shrub beds. > (Do not put any animal products, meat, grease, etc., this will attract > rats). > > > > > Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below > should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a > statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general > edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. > > "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, > adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." > > ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons" > > "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, > and of the merchants a merchant." > > RALPH WALDO EMERSON > > > > > Ron Taggart, President > PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. > 4246 Hudson Drive > Stow, Ohio 44224 > 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 > www.printingconcepts.com > ron@printingconcepts.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Steve Blatman > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:46 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring it on!) > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Gail, > > It's interesting to note that recycling often increases our costs vs > "virgin" materials. In some cases, the costs are sufficiently higher > that you can't even justify them by the reduction in disposal costs. > However, it's something that, as a wealthier society, we can choose > to do. > > Unlike the "fashionably vocal," I don't see not having bought an SUV > as a virtue. I've owned more than one, as shop delivery vehicles. I > buy older, used vehicles, so my choices are often more limited, but, > IMO, it should be more a matter of the choice that works for your > needs and/or wants, rather than the choice someone else thinks is > better for you. > > http://tinyurl.com/5pld4g has an interesting take on the comparative > costs of a Pious and an SUV--if you look at gallons of fuel per > passenger mile, the SUV might well be the better choice. > > YMMV (in many ways...), > Steve > >> >> >> How about this one: >> >> Choose a cause that will allow you to feel virtuous about making >> small changes in your life (recycling your trash, changing to a >> different kind of light bulb) while at the same time preaching about >> how other people should make huge changes to theirs. >> >> I was president of my high school Ecology Club 25 years ago, I've >> been recycling since before it was "cool." I have an organic garden >> and don't use lawn chemicals, and I have never bought an SUV or high >> mileage car. To me these sorts of things just make sense. But I don't >> believe the nonsense about Global Warming, and I won't until the true >> believer crowd all move to small houses, start bicycling, and worry >> more about their own "carbon footprint" than about mine. >> >> Gail Finke >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >> 8630 Winton Road >> Cincinnati, OH 45231 >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> (513) 522-2679 >> Fax 522-2692 >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> info@brentwood-printing.com >> www.brentwood-printing.com >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 10, 2008, at 3:11 PM, Steve Blatman wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>>> Anyway, how does one start a campaign such as global warming which >>>> causes everyone to talk about the campaign and some to even change >>>> their lifestyles? >>> >>> >>> 1. Pay no attention to the relevant scientific data. >>> >>> 2. Choose a cause that enables you to feel virtuous about saving >>> something, or rescuing something from some putative evil force, >>> regardless of whether either the feeling of virtue or the putative >>> evil is, in fact, virtuous or evil, respectively. This works better >>> with people for whom it is a substitute for a conventional religious >>> belief system. >>> >>> 3. Make sure your chosen cause will require a virtuous or enlightened >>> minority to exert control over the lives and choices of those seen as >>> less virtuous, less enlightened, less educated, less sophisticated, >>> or otherwise classifiable as "the great unwashed." >>> >>> If you've chosen well, you'll fire the imagination of the left, which >>> will play well with the mainstream media and the hollyweird types, >>> and your battle will be only a matter of time.... >>> >>> YMMV, >>> Steve >>> >>> Steve Blatman >>> Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >>> 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >>> Tel: 610-647-0776 >>> Fax: 610-647-4560 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3177 (20080611) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Jun 11 18:38:57 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Jun 11 18:39:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] C6500 - KM Corporate or independent dealer?? In-Reply-To: <12AAB54B-7F1B-4CC3-923F-4584C35330BD@protypeonline.com> References: <12AAB54B-7F1B-4CC3-923F-4584C35330BD@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <200806112239.m5BMdWqV069096@i2bnetworks.com> As I recall Robin, you're KM source was a dealer, not a corporate branch of KMBS. The KMBS corporate branches aren't dealers. Dealers are affiliates and they can choose to or not to honor the NAQP contract. They also are responsible for training (or in your case, not training) their techs.... but they don't have the same standards as the corporate branches. Also you're in the middle of the cornfields, Ken is in the middle of Silicon Valley. I would imagine that the KMBS located in the middle of Silicon Valley is going to have a sharp service staff trained and ready to go, just like we have here in San Diego, another large city. But I'm just guessin here... S. At 02:04 PM 6/11/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >with all due respect Scott, I strongly disagree with your logic on >this subject. >.....with all due respect is what the manager at our new location says >to me when she really wants to say to me, "what the 'H' are you >thinking". >:) > > >Robin Niewold >robin@protypeonline.com > >Pro-Type Printing, Inc. >130 N. Market Street >Paxton, IL 60957 >217.379.4715 > >Wright Printing Company >203 North Street >Normal, IL 61761 >309.452.4409 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3179 (20080611) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Jun 11 18:58:12 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Jun 11 18:58:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] IKON CPP 650 CPP Finishing Options? In-Reply-To: <00ce01c8cc06$09e7dec0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <8BAFDFBF-E0C9-480E-A6E2-7D56D7EA4C29@protypeonline.com> <00ce01c8cc06$09e7dec0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <200806112258.m5BMwl9k073209@i2bnetworks.com> We have the FS-607 on the 500, and we have the SD-501 on the 6500. The FS-607 is a toy compared to the SD-501. The SD-501 is a monster, hence the price difference. It will make face-trimmed booklets from sun up to sundown and eject them on a pull out conveyor that slides in and out of the machine. Just keeps pushing them out and you just keep scooping them up. We've run thousands of booklets at a time.....sucker just plain out rocks. One other thing that many are not aware of. The SD-501 has a half fold and tri-folding unit that also ejects on a small conveyor....and... (this is sweet) It will trifold nested sheets (up to 5 sheets) So if you have a three sheet mailer that needs to be tri-folded with nested sheets before stuffing into envelopes, the SD-501 is your ticket. I've never seen another digital machine that will do this online. The only thing that the FS-607 will do that the SD-501 will not is a corner staple. The SD-501 will not corner staple, only saddle stitch. So if you run a lot of work 8.5x11 that needs a corner staple the FS-607 may be a better choice. S. At 01:59 PM 6/11/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Just happened to have that info right before me as I have been looking at it >myself. The smaller unit is FS-607 for NAQP price of $$2277.00 >The larger unit is SD-501 for $13,600. > >I don't know a whole lot about the differences except I have the smaller one >on my C500. It is just OK for books. We have a hard time getting the >staples to really line up well, the folding is not very tight at all unless >it is a very small book and 50 sheets....... ??? > >The bigger unit is more like the larger capacity booklet makers. Stronger, >tighter folder, says it staples 100 sheets. But ever try to fold 100 sheets >in half. Doesn't happen but I am sure it will staple that in the corner. >It is probably like getting the small booklet maker machine for $8000 or the >Horizon or Duplo for $30,000. A lot of difference in the machine. > >I just had a used car salesman :-) try and sell me a used 6500 with a >booklet maker which he was making a big deal of. When I told him the >difference in the prices he was amazed. He was thinking it was this huge >selling point. It had an embedded rip, and he was wanting almost as much as >we can get a brand new machine with a external rip. > >Charlene Sims >President >The Master's Press, Inc. >14550 Midway Road >Dallas, Tx 75244 > >972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 >www.TheMastersPress.com >char@themasterspress.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold >Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:43 PM >To: printowners printowners >Subject: [PrintOwners] IKON CPP 650 CPP Finishing Options? > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >There are two different finishing options for the cpp650 -- I'm >working from home today and can't find the information on the >internet, IKON's site or anyplace. >One option has a stapler that staples 50 sheets of paper and the >other, higher end finishing option can staple 100 sheets. What are the >different model numbers for these finishers and what are the other >differences? >Robin > >p.s. trying to see if my salesman is playing the "bate and switch" game. > > >Robin Niewold >robin@protypeonline.com > >Pro-Type Printing, Inc. >130 N. Market Street >Paxton, IL 60957 >217.379.4715 > >Wright Printing Company >203 North Street >Normal, IL 61761 >309.452.4409 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 3179 (20080611) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 3179 (20080611) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3179 (20080611) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From braddpotter at juno.com Wed Jun 11 19:52:04 2008 From: braddpotter at juno.com (Brad Potter) Date: Wed Jun 11 19:53:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] recomendation for laser printer that can print short runs of envelopes , like 200 or so. Message-ID: <20080611.165204.28852.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> OK, I do not want to compete with my local mail house. They are a customer after all. Don't abuse me on that decision, it is how I want to do it. I gladly send orders of 500 to 30,000 to them. They have inserters and high speed addressers, that is not where I want to go right now. But from time to time, for my missionary friend or maybe for a small yacht club or something, I would want to print say 200 envelopes, custom with my new fusion pro software. Now MY vision of a laser printer, is that you can only put 3 in at a time, and then the paper path curls and then every 5 prints it jams. But you guys talk about doing hundreds and hundreds on a laser or inkjet of some sort. We used to do them on the Risograph, but that is not the right technology, remember this is a small data base, 50 to 300 names. And I do not want to hover over it. I want to set it up and let it run 50 (or more) before I have to attend to it again. What kind or printer are you using for something like that? brad Brad Potter Printing Services Inc. www.myprintsource.net Your Printing Super Hero 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A Port Orchard, WA 98366 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! ____________________________________________________________ Sweepstakes!!! Enter for your chance to WIN one of hundreds of daily prizes. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/JKFkuJi7UnnTvoISoTTKfAILt5YFjtEuFE3dnodCN9nJQrFOVaSmTC/ From sos at olympus.net Wed Jun 11 20:15:49 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Jun 11 20:17:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] recomendation for addressing envelopes References: <20080611.165204.28852.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <023001c8cc21$782bc2a0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Potter" >remember this is a small data base, 50 to 300 names. And I do not want to >hover over it. I want to set it up and let it run 50 (or more) before I >have to attend to it again. >What kind of printer are you using for something like that? ============================ There are two ways to handle these kind of jobs. One: a desktop inkjet addresser that can print stacks of envelopes or cards or what have you. You need the mailing data base software to drive these as far as I know. Two: 30 up label stock and any laser printer. Microsoft Access can make labels out of anything. Then pick and stick. Based on my experience I'd recommend the pick and stick routine. But if you've got many thousands of dollars to invest and more time than you know what to do with, and enjoy unclogging little ink jet cartridges, and setting up templates by remote control, and like watching your beautiful envelopes smear and fly on the floor and get out of order, and pondering all those esoteric post office abbreviations, etc. etc. etc. Then yeah, go the first route. Knowing the size of your market Brad, I'd guess you would never in a thousand years get enough business to justify real mailing equipment and software. So seriously, pick and stick. I am curious to hear other's take on this situation however. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From list at interiorgraphics.com Wed Jun 11 20:57:30 2008 From: list at interiorgraphics.com (Michelle at Interior Graphics) Date: Wed Jun 11 20:57:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 80# Domtar Solutions Parchment Cover Message-ID: <31B37233-17D0-4C22-B0A3-EB881999B472@interiorgraphics.com> Hi there - I'm looking for the above stock in 8.5 x 11 or larger. If you happen to have some on your shelf that you'd like to sell, please email me off list. I've got some on order but it's apparently backordered to Seattle and won't be here until the 26th. Thank you! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michelle Maynor "Your Personal Printer" Interior Graphics & Printing 770 8th Avenue Fairbanks, AK 99701 907.456.4982 phone 907.452.6992 fax michelle@interiorgraphics.com "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the most." - John Ruskin From slb at inkspot.net Wed Jun 11 21:17:14 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Jun 11 21:17:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming--Vaclav Havel In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <485040DA.13566.CBEA1F8@slb.inkspot.net> Yeah, I've made that argument, too, until I was disabused of it by an opponent with better data. It turns out that the CNW Marketing study is suspect, because some of their underlying assumptions are unrealistic (that the Prius dies at 100K miles might be true, but 350K or so for the Hummer seems more than a bit high to me), and because they are very closed-mouthed about their methodology. (If they won't publish the details, no-one can confirm their results.) It turns out that the current edition of the Prius uses Lithium-Metal- Hydride batteries, instead of Ni-Cads. Yes, nickel and cadmium are pretty nasty, but the new batteries are siginificantly less so. Nickel is also used in the Hummer (and in every other car made), since it's part of most steel alloys (and stainless steel in particular). Finally, I've been told that Sudbury, while still polluted, has been cleaned up considerably. So, while the Prius (or, as my son says, the Pius) is not as "green" as it's portrayed, it probably compares more favorably to the Hummer than the referenced web page claims. As I've said, the data rules.... Steve > > http://onemansblog.com/2007/03/27/prius-outdoes-hummer-in-environmental-dama > ge/ > > > Borzou Azabdaftari > Falcon Print and Copy > 1921 Gallows Road > Suite 150 > Vienna, VA 22182 > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > > > > From: Ron Taggart > > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > > > Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:05:55 -0400 > > To: printowners > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming--Vaclav Havel > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > The Czech president Vaclav Havel has made some penetrating insights into the > > environmental movement in a couple of articles I have read, I believe in the > > Cato newsletter. According to Haval, the movement is highly ideological > > (witness no rational cost/benefit filter for decision making) and represents > > another attempt by the left to regulate lives. > > > > I consider myself neither conservative nor liberal, I have friends in both > > camps. I was amused by one friend who is a born-again evangelical Prius > > owner (he's got 5 of his other friends to buy them) I told him it was more > > environmentally friendly for me to keep driving my 2000 Honda Accord that > > gets 26mpg rather than the environmental burden of an entire new car, i.e., > > gobs of steel, plastic, etc. all of which consumes more energy than the > > Prius will save in its lifecycle. Gee, he hadn't thought of that. Has > > anyone calculated the environmental cost of the Prius' batteries? My guess > > is that one is farther ahead money wise and environmentally buying a high > > mileage conventional car that gets slightly less mileage than the Prius. > > > > If something is more expensive, it's a pretty good bet that the extra > > expense represents energy expense. These fools can't get that recycled > > paper costs more because it probably uses more energy to de-ink, etc. than > > using pulpwood grown at incredible efficiencies of production and transport. > > We had a customer that insisted on AIR FREIGHTING special 100% recycled > > paper from CA. The air freight bill alone was over $500! > > > > My practical suggestion for helping the environment is this: Quit using > > your garbage disposal or trash for vegetable waste. Save you scraps and > > either compost them or if you are too lazy for that (which I am) simply > > shove them under a bush. It will keep the stuff out of the landfill > > (methane generation, worse than CO2)or lower the burden on your local waste > > water system, all the while improving the soil in your garden or shrub beds. > > (Do not put any animal products, meat, grease, etc., this will attract > > rats). > > > > > > > > > > Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below > > should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a > > statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general > > edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. > > > > "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, > > adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." > > > > ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons" > > > > "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, > > and of the merchants a merchant." > > > > RALPH WALDO EMERSON > > > > > > > > > > Ron Taggart, President > > PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. > > 4246 Hudson Drive > > Stow, Ohio 44224 > > 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 > > www.printingconcepts.com > > ron@printingconcepts.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Steve Blatman > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:46 AM > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (Alaska votes - bring it on!) > > > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Gail, > > > > It's interesting to note that recycling often increases our costs vs > > "virgin" materials. In some cases, the costs are sufficiently higher > > that you can't even justify them by the reduction in disposal costs. > > However, it's something that, as a wealthier society, we can choose > > to do. > > > > Unlike the "fashionably vocal," I don't see not having bought an SUV > > as a virtue. I've owned more than one, as shop delivery vehicles. I > > buy older, used vehicles, so my choices are often more limited, but, > > IMO, it should be more a matter of the choice that works for your > > needs and/or wants, rather than the choice someone else thinks is > > better for you. > > > > http://tinyurl.com/5pld4g has an interesting take on the comparative > > costs of a Pious and an SUV--if you look at gallons of fuel per > > passenger mile, the SUV might well be the better choice. > > > > YMMV (in many ways...), > > Steve > > > >> > >> > >> How about this one: > >> > >> Choose a cause that will allow you to feel virtuous about making > >> small changes in your life (recycling your trash, changing to a > >> different kind of light bulb) while at the same time preaching about > >> how other people should make huge changes to theirs. > >> > >> I was president of my high school Ecology Club 25 years ago, I've > >> been recycling since before it was "cool." I have an organic garden > >> and don't use lawn chemicals, and I have never bought an SUV or high > >> mileage car. To me these sorts of things just make sense. But I don't > >> believe the nonsense about Global Warming, and I won't until the true > >> believer crowd all move to small houses, start bicycling, and worry > >> more about their own "carbon footprint" than about mine. > >> > >> Gail Finke > >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >> Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > >> 8630 Winton Road > >> Cincinnati, OH 45231 > >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >> (513) 522-2679 > >> Fax 522-2692 > >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >> info@brentwood-printing.com > >> www.brentwood-printing.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Aug 10, 2008, at 3:11 PM, Steve Blatman wrote: > >> > >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >>> > >>>> Anyway, how does one start a campaign such as global warming which > >>>> causes everyone to talk about the campaign and some to even change > >>>> their lifestyles? > >>> > >>> > >>> 1. Pay no attention to the relevant scientific data. > >>> > >>> 2. Choose a cause that enables you to feel virtuous about saving > >>> something, or rescuing something from some putative evil force, > >>> regardless of whether either the feeling of virtue or the putative > >>> evil is, in fact, virtuous or evil, respectively. This works better > >>> with people for whom it is a substitute for a conventional religious > >>> belief system. > >>> > >>> 3. Make sure your chosen cause will require a virtuous or enlightened > >>> minority to exert control over the lives and choices of those seen as > >>> less virtuous, less enlightened, less educated, less sophisticated, > >>> or otherwise classifiable as "the great unwashed." > >>> > >>> If you've chosen well, you'll fire the imagination of the left, which > >>> will play well with the mainstream media and the hollyweird types, > >>> and your battle will be only a matter of time.... > >>> > >>> YMMV, > >>> Steve > >>> > >>> Steve Blatman > >>> Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > >>> 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > >>> Tel: 610-647-0776 > >>> Fax: 610-647-4560 > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> PrintOwners Discussion List > >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> PrintOwners Discussion List > >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >> > >> > >> __________ NOD32 3177 (20080611) Information __________ > >> > >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >> http://www.eset.com > >> > >> > > > > Steve Blatman > > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > > Tel: 610-647-0776 > > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3179 (20080611) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From Nancy at printingresources.com Wed Jun 11 23:29:30 2008 From: Nancy at printingresources.com (Nancy Dediemar) Date: Wed Jun 11 23:29:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] WAS: DHL to suspend home deliveries NOW: USPS 6-day mail delivery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Actually, there IS a sound reason for 6-day mail delivery: the USPS delivers 46% of the world's card and letter mail, and because of the requirement for universal delivery (i.e., every part of the US, whether rural or urban, gets mail delivery), the USPS delivers to the largest geographic area in the world. The USPS processes and delivers more than 212 billion pieces of mail every year, which is 700 million pieces per day or 29 million pieces per hour or 486,000 pieces per minute or 8,000 pieces per second. It is also 85 million pounds of mail per day. So if mail delivery went from 6 days to 5 days, that would cut delivery capacity by one-sixth or 17%. That might work out if the USPS was 17% under capacity, but it also might mean that capacity on the remaining 5 days would have to be increased by either hiring more workers and putting more vehicles on the road, or having existing workers work overtime at a time-and-a-half premium. It might also slow mail delivery if the mail currently being delivered on Saturday had to switch to Monday, possibly increasing Monday mail load to more than the limit for an individual letter carrier for the day, thus slowing delivery by pushing part of the Monday mail to Tuesday, and perhaps cascading through the week. The sheer size of the USPS practically ensures that a solution that would work well in a smaller organization will likely have unintended consequences that nobody wants (like a slowdown of mail delivery or increase in labor costs). Nancy DeDiemar Printing Resources of Southern California 893 W 9th St, Upland, CA 91786 909/981-5715 phone 909/981-9396 FAX http://www.printingresources.com mailto:nancy@printingresources.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:12 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] DHL to suspend home deliveries ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 6/10/2008 9:23:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, acepm2@gmail.com writes: Think about the USPS. What if they decided to end home delivery? What about every other day? What about home delivery only on Mon, Wed & Fri? Actually, there is no sound reason for 6-day delivery by USPS... think of the money that could be saved just by eliminating that "extra" day. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Nancy at printingresources.com Wed Jun 11 23:36:25 2008 From: Nancy at printingresources.com (Nancy Dediemar) Date: Wed Jun 11 23:36:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL to suspend home deliveries In-Reply-To: <484FADD6.13438.A805A65@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: Beginning in May 2009, the USPS is requiring mailers to implement mail tracking capability (called Intelligent Mail, enabled by the Intelligent Mail Barcode or IMB) in order to get the best postage discounts. When fully implemented (which will take several years), mailers will be able to track individual letters, cards and packages along the entire delivery route. This will also help the USPS identify locations in the delivery system where mail processing is not meeting performance standards. Nancy DeDiemar Printing Resources of Southern California 893 W 9th St, Upland, CA 91786 909/981-5715 phone 909/981-9396 FAX http://www.printingresources.com mailto:nancy@printingresources.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:50 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] DHL to suspend home deliveries ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Actually, the USPS will probably never end home delivery. The Postmaster General is one of the offices specifically mentioned in our Constitution, because universal dissemination of information is necessary in a democratic republic. USPS is often less expensive than UPS for small (1-2lb) packages, but, since they don't have a good tracing function, it's hard to give a useful answer when your customer asks the whereabouts of a particular package. Steve > > John, > > Think about the USPS. What if they decided to end home delivery? What about > every other day? What about home delivery only on Mon, Wed & Fri? > > Yes, I know some folks are going to say "that's a dumb idea." I didn't say > it was mine.... I'm not a decision maker for the USPS. > > Some of the smaller towns here (and I'm sure some of you folks reading this) > only have Post Office Box delivery. Think what would happen if they make > EVERYONE go to Post Office Box delivery? > > Would the savings in gas reduce the postage cost? HA! Doubt it. > > But don't think that these ideas have not been tossed around....... > > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > www.acepm.com > > > > > On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:55 PM, wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > For those of you who use DHL, I found the announcement below interesting: > > > > "DHL Express just confirmed with PARCEL that it will discontinue the > > DHL@home product effective September 1, 2008. The service tendered > > packages to the > > USPS for final delivery, reducing costs for the shipper." > > > > I would be surprised if other shipping companies haven't at least > > considered > > this option as well, when you consider the additional hassles of home > > deliveries (no one home, possible fraud, much larger routes, driving, > > etc.) > > > > > > > > John Stewart > > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > > Cell: 321-794-6259 > > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > > > > > **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best > > 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102 > > ) > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > -- > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > Berlin, Maryland 21811 > www.acepm.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3177 (20080611) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Nancy at printingresources.com Wed Jun 11 23:42:39 2008 From: Nancy at printingresources.com (Nancy Dediemar) Date: Wed Jun 11 23:42:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL & USPS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: All shipping companies, including FedEx and UPS, have cooperative arrangements with the USPS. Typically there are two types of arrangements: the shippers transport mail using their airline fleet during the day when it would otherwise be idle, and the USPS completes "last mile" delivery for the shippers in areas that are too remote for the shippers to be able to profitably deliver. Nancy DeDiemar Printing Resources of Southern California 893 W 9th St, Upland, CA 91786 909/981-5715 phone 909/981-9396 FAX http://www.printingresources.com mailto:nancy@printingresources.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Cyndy Harkins Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:25 AM To: PrintOwners List Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL & USPS ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On the subject of DHL and the USPS, this is a little adventure we had with the shipping of a job. Two cartons going to rural Nebraska and unbeknownst to us, our shipper decided to use DHL. (UPS ground would have been 1 day). I think it left on Tuesday and when it had not arrived on Thursday, we called for tracking numbers. These two boxes went all over the country and then sat in Omaha according to DHL's website. We put our shipper to work and he found that DHL passed the shipment off to the USPS, which of course, made tracking almost impossible. I had absolutely no idea that shipping companies passed shipments off to the USPS for rural deliveries. Anyway, it took those two cartons a week to travel about 120 miles. After that I told our shipping store guy to only use FedEx or UPS for our stuff and I may bring daily service back into the shop. Not surprising that DHL is getting out of that business. -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From k_graham at hotmail.com Thu Jun 12 01:10:20 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Thu Jun 12 01:10:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] spectrophotometer necessary? References: <48094.192.168.1.70.1213203715.webmail@192.168.1.70> Message-ID: >We are close to signing a lease on a new 242 xerox. Software is being >pushed with it, color verifier, color profiler, adobe acrobat, quite >impose. >What should we consider for the color software? How much is it worth? >($3000 through our xerox rep. with spectrophotometer and dongle) >Is quite impose, acrobat (we have it already) necessary / worth it ($2000) >when indesign or quark can put things several up for offset press or >copier? >Margaret This sounds like a Fiery? The Fiery Imposition is a bit weak. For instance lets pretend you wanted to impose 2 up booklets of 4.25x5.5 on 8.5x11 or 4 up on 11x17 - not possible. There are programs under a $100.00 that do a better job on PC's. Acrobat is version 7 - already outdated. I can't answer on the spectro - we print SWOP simulation settings and off glass calibration is fine and thats the Doc240 which had ver. 6 acrobat. What you may be overlooking is I think the above also allows one to attach a monitor which we do have and it is convenient to deal with command workstation right beside the copier. Also the external RIP supports multipage Fiery Free Form for variable data, though so far we've only used the feature once. Just on principle make sure to check out the Creo. Our Doc 240 seems to be performing perfectly now though I have a suspicion with the latest patches the bypass no longer defaults to Heavy 2 so one should be careful to Specify it if necessary in case it remembers the last weight stock and that happens to be light enough to cause toner flaking when running a heavy stock through. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Thu Jun 12 04:21:46 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Thu Jun 12 04:21:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] "The Greatest Story Never Told": Today's Economy in Perspective Message-ID: THERE IS a debate going on today over whether our economy is in recession. Polls show sagging public confidence. But some perspective is sorely needed. The fact of the matter is that we in the United States, and to a lesser degree the entire world, have just lived through-and continue to live in-the greatest period of prosperity in human history. Over the last 25 years, more wealth has been created, more people have been lifted out of poverty, standards of living have been elevated more dramatically, and the quality and length of life have improved, more than ever before in recorded history. Unfortunately, as Larry Kudlow says, this is "the greatest story never told." We need to start telling the story, and also to think about its causes. The rest of it is here: http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis.asp Along w/the Economist and a few other pubs, the truth finds a way of getting around..... Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Tucson From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Thu Jun 12 04:27:10 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Thu Jun 12 04:27:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wrong topic now Global Warming Man Made or Natural Message-ID: Whoops, this is the article I wanted to attach to the thread, because many of us haven't seen it presented w/o an agenda. The most fundamental question is scientific: Is the observed warming of the past 30 years due to natural causes or are human activities a main or even a contributing factor? http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2007&month=08 LT From nelsonind at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 12 05:00:02 2008 From: nelsonind at sbcglobal.net (Curtis Nelson) Date: Thu Jun 12 05:00:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] "The Greatest Story Never Told": Today's Economy in Perspective In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4850E592.7000402@sbcglobal.net> I would have to agree that "America" has been very prosperous over the last 25 years. The real question is - Have we saved anything for the future? If there were to be a disaster, do we have some extra food, water and medical supplies on hand? When hard times come, do we have some extra money in our savings account/ IRA? Or do we simply buy the newest, fastest car we can afford (or can't afford now with the increased gas prices)? If we live on less than what we make, we can eventually become "rich" by investing in our own future. How many people understand the value of compound interest? How many people understand the heavy weight of credit card debt? I'm still working on these items so please don't think I'm the "millionaire" of the group.... (yes, I pay off my credit cards in full each month). Another perspective -In 1981, I served as a missionary in the country of Chile, South America and I would have to say the "poor" people there were happier playing with a soccer ball in a dirt street with one small television in a very modest home than we are with our microwave ovens, fancy cars, large screen TV's, computers, spacious homes, etc. (it is all a matter of perspective). Sometimes we are so busy and stressed out that we don't take time to enjoy the beautiful sunsets. Do we tell our family members that we love them? Husbands, if you want a revelation, ask your wives (only one allowed) "Am I being a good husband and what could I do to improve?" She just might faint right on the spot. Curtis Nelson Nelson Industries San Jose, CA larry wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >THERE IS a debate going on today over whether our economy is in recession. Polls show sagging public confidence. But some perspective is sorely needed. The fact of the matter is that we in the United States, and to a lesser degree the entire world, have just lived through-and continue to live in-the greatest period of prosperity in human history. Over the last 25 years, more wealth has been created, more people have been lifted out of poverty, standards of living have been elevated more dramatically, and the quality and length of life have improved, more than ever before in recorded history. Unfortunately, as Larry Kudlow says, this is "the greatest story never told." We need to start telling the story, and also to think about its causes. > > > >The rest of it is here: http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis.asp Along w/the Economist and a few other pubs, the truth finds a way of getting around..... > > > > > >Larry Taylor > >Desert Pacific > >Tucson > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Jun 12 07:31:51 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 12 07:32:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] WAS: DHL to suspend home deliveries NOW: USPS 6-day mail de... Message-ID: In a message dated 6/11/2008 11:31:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Nancy@printingresources.com writes: So if mail delivery went from 6 days to 5 days, that would cut delivery capacity by one-sixth or 17%. That might work out if the USPS was 17% under capacity, but it also might mean that capacity on the remaining 5 days would have to be increased by either hiring more workers and putting more vehicles on the road, or having existing workers work overtime at a time-and-a-half premium. It might also slow mail delivery if the mail currently being delivered on Saturday had to switch to Monday, possibly increasing Monday mail load to more than the limit for an individual letter carrier for the day, thus slowing delivery by pushing part of the Monday mail to Tuesday, and perhaps cascading through the week. The above sounds like it came from the postal carrier's union PR office. First, let's look at some of the poor logic being used, especially from the perspective of someone who worked many, many years ago at the USPS... Just because the volume of mail per carrier increased by 17% it would not mean that carriers would have to work 17% more... it simply mean 17% more mail going to the same locations..... it's not as if the carrier will be carrying any extra burden or have to work that much harder. The trucks and vehicles they use have huge capacity and can easily handle that extra 17%. The typical mail carrier today is no where near 100% as witnessed by the official and unofficial breaks they take. But still, the bottom line is that delivering 12 pieces to a residence as opposed to 10 pieces would not impose any additional burden, other than at the sorting end of the process. Anyway, the above argument against ceasing 6 day delivery is not based upon a sound knowledge of the real world of postal delivery problems and challenges. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) From jdaghir at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 08:50:34 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Thu Jun 12 08:50:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 70# Topkote C2S thru C500 - melting? In-Reply-To: <6E36D5D8-6866-416C-BE38-1B01C79BD70C@interiorgraphics.com> References: <6E36D5D8-6866-416C-BE38-1B01C79BD70C@interiorgraphics.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620806120550y2e870caao1892146eaafa1446@mail.gmail.com> I hate to ask the obvious but do you have the paper weight for the drawer set correctly? For 70# coated text the tray should be set to 3 coated. I've never ran 70# coated text through the C500 but it should be able to do it. And it should be able to duplex it also. I agree with Charlene - 70# coated text is very thin. I'd move to an 80# coated text unless the customer just absolutely insisted on 70#. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Michelle said: > Just wanted to check and see if anyone had any tips for running 70# C2S > gloss text through the C500. From sgfinke at fuse.net Thu Jun 12 08:55:23 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Thu Jun 12 08:53:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Grammar question In-Reply-To: <008901c8cbe4$118574c0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> References: <484FA5A8.6046.A60686C@slb.inkspot.net>, <001b01c8cbd2$357240f0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> <484FC9C6.4499.AED7BCB@slb.inkspot.net> <008901c8cbe4$118574c0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <54B99626-70B8-4E9F-94B3-CA5B3920B19F@fuse.net> Come on! I'm from Pittsburgh, and everyone KNOWS the correct expression is "that need printing on." Just like, "the grass needs mowing" or "the car needs washing." Your envelopes "need printing." Duh! Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Jun 11, 2008, at 12:56 PM, Kevin at PRO Printers wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > How about "that need to be printed" ? I'm not a grammarian, nor do > I play one on TV, but I don't think the "on" is needed at all. > Kinda like "where's he at?" - it should be "where is he?" > > Kevin Kerr > Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. > 1900 Merivale Rd. > Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 > Tel 613-727-9444 > Fax 613-727-1945 > kevin@proprinters.ca > www.proprinters.ca > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Blatman" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:49 PM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Grammar question > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>> >>> We have several thousand #9 and #10 envelopes that need printed >>> on... >> >> I was taught that the correct expression should be either >> >> ....that need to be printed on ...... >> >> or >> >> ....that need printing on.... >> >> This is not intended to denigrate anyone on this list. I thought that >> the construction ....that need printed on... was a local thing (since >> we get a lot of German constructions, because of the Pennsylvania >> Dutch influence in our area), but I've been wrong before. >> >> Since we are often called upon to function as our customers' "grammar >> police," what do you consider the correct form(s)? >> >> TIA, >> Steve >> >> Steve Blatman >> Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >> 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >> Tel: 610-647-0776 >> Fax: 610-647-4560 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Thu Jun 12 09:03:50 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Thu Jun 12 09:05:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 70# Topkote C2S thru C500 - melting? In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620806120550y2e870caao1892146eaafa1446@mail.gmail.com> References: <6E36D5D8-6866-416C-BE38-1B01C79BD70C@interiorgraphics.com> <83d5b9620806120550y2e870caao1892146eaafa1446@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I haven't followed this thread much so I hope I haven't repeated anything already mentioned, but there are papers that are not made for devices with heat. We have run into a couple that the paper started to melt and, when our paper rep (who I trust) checked into it, found that particular paper is made for offset only and can't be exposed to heat. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Daghir Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 7:51 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 70# Topkote C2S thru C500 - melting? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I hate to ask the obvious but do you have the paper weight for the drawer set correctly? For 70# coated text the tray should be set to 3 coated. I've never ran 70# coated text through the C500 but it should be able to do it. And it should be able to duplex it also. I agree with Charlene - 70# coated text is very thin. I'd move to an 80# coated text unless the customer just absolutely insisted on 70#. E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Thu Jun 12 09:05:10 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Harkins) Date: Thu Jun 12 09:05:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] IKON CPP 650 CPP Finishing Options? In-Reply-To: <200806112258.m5BMwl9k073209@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: On 6/11/08 5:58 PM, "Scott Cappel" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > The only thing that the FS-607 will do that the SD-501 will not is a > corner staple. The SD-501 will not corner staple, only saddle stitch. > So if you run a lot of work 8.5x11 that needs a corner staple the > FS-607 may be a better choice. > > S. Scott, I am curious about something. We do not have the 6500 but we do have a 1050 which I was told has the same finishing options available on the 6500, the difference being the front end. We have the FS-503 Staple Finisher ($4924), the FD-502 Folding Unit ($11,020) plus the SD-501 Saddle Stitcher ($18,404). The prices are IKON prices from two years ago. Since the part numbers are the same, I'm surprised you can't have both on the 6500's. Did K/M change something for the color boxes? Perhaps a good question for the K/M folks? Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From markath1 at verizon.net Thu Jun 12 09:18:13 2008 From: markath1 at verizon.net (Rick Martin) Date: Thu Jun 12 09:18:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] WAS: DHL to suspend home deliveries NOW: USPS 6-daymail de... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c8cc8e$c7f25930$640a0a0a@advanced8l9v8x> For every 5 regular carriers, there is a 6th "floater" who covers each of these routes on the regular carriers day off. For every 5 or 6 groups like this, there is another carrier to cover vacations, sick days etc. I cannot see where additional staffing would be required and would expect staffing to go down significantly as the program is implemented. Rick Martin Advanced Print & Copy 229 Memorial Avenue W Springfield, MA 01089 413-736-9808 markath1@verizon.net www.advancedprintandcopy.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 7:32 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] WAS: DHL to suspend home deliveries NOW: USPS 6-daymail de... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 6/11/2008 11:31:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Nancy@printingresources.com writes: So if mail delivery went from 6 days to 5 days, that would cut delivery capacity by one-sixth or 17%. That might work out if the USPS was 17% under capacity, but it also might mean that capacity on the remaining 5 days would have to be increased by either hiring more workers and putting more vehicles on the road, or having existing workers work overtime at a time-and-a-half premium. It might also slow mail delivery if the mail currently being delivered on Saturday had to switch to Monday, possibly increasing Monday mail load to more than the limit for an individual letter carrier for the day, thus slowing delivery by pushing part of the Monday mail to Tuesday, and perhaps cascading through the week. The above sounds like it came from the postal carrier's union PR office. First, let's look at some of the poor logic being used, especially from the perspective of someone who worked many, many years ago at the USPS... Just because the volume of mail per carrier increased by 17% it would not mean that carriers would have to work 17% more... it simply mean 17% more mail going to the same locations..... it's not as if the carrier will be carrying any extra burden or have to work that much harder. The trucks and vehicles they use have huge capacity and can easily handle that extra 17%. The typical mail carrier today is no where near 100% as witnessed by the official and unofficial breaks they take. But still, the bottom line is that delivering 12 pieces to a residence as opposed to 10 pieces would not impose any additional burden, other than at the sorting end of the process. Anyway, the above argument against ceasing 6 day delivery is not based upon a sound knowledge of the real world of postal delivery problems and challenges. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Jun 12 09:20:35 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 12 09:20:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Nancy and USPS 6-day mail delivery... Message-ID: In a message dated 6/11/2008 11:31:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Nancy@printingresources.com writes: So if mail delivery went from 6 days to 5 days, that would cut delivery capacity by one-sixth or 17%. That might work out if the USPS was 17% under capacity, but it also might mean that capacity on the remaining 5 days would have to be increased by either hiring more workers and putting more vehicles on the road, or having existing workers work overtime at a time-and-a-half premium. It might also slow mail delivery if the mail currently being delivered on Saturday had to switch to Monday, possibly increasing Monday mail load to more than the limit for an individual letter carrier for the day, thus slowing delivery by pushing part of the Monday mail to Tuesday, and perhaps cascading through the week. Actually, my earlier response to Nancy was technically incorrect or flawed since I had not had my coffee yet. It is easy to swallow all the BS that the USPS puts out (a natural tendency of government agencies to argue for the status quo) so let's take a look at Nancy D's statement that if you cut out Saturday deliveries (especially residential) you increase the burden of mail being processed by 17% and that does seem like a big potential increase. However, to presuppose that the additional 17% of the mail that is no longer being delivered on Saturday's would suddenly hit the system on one day, presumably Monday as an example is totally flawed. The system would work that out and spread that 17% over the remaining five days. The reality is that the 17% of mail no longer delivered on Saturday would be spread out and delivered over the remaining five days and that is an increase or imposition on carriers and sorting equipment of about 3.4% per day. That means that the carrier who now delivers say 15 pieces of mail to a private residence (probably a bit high) would now instead be delivering 18-19 pieces per day during a five day schedule. Can the average carrier and his/her vehicle handle an average increase in daily mail volume of 3.4% per day? I suspect the answer is "YES." When I used to carry mail it took absolutely no more effort to deliver 12 pieces than it did 10 pieces. Since the sorting of mail has improved probably by a factor of 10 to 50 times in the past 20-30 years, I suspect today's machines can easily handle an increase in capacity of 3.4% a day. Interestingly enough, there are very normal fluctuations in mail volume of 3-4% all the time, due to a number of reasons such as weather, the economy, etc. In fact, Nancy, as it turns out the overall volume of 1st Class Mail dropped by 3.9% for the first quarter of 2008, and you can rest assured the USPS did not cut its expenses by 3.9%. Does the USPS cut back its operational (fixed or variable) expenses by 3.9% when mail volume drops? Of course they don't, so to presuppose or argue that an increase in daily mail of 3.4% would automatically increase costs or bring the system to a crashing halt is a flawed analysis. By the way, according to printing Expert Dr. Joe Webb, the mailing trends and statistics released by the USPS have been known to be "baked" to suit their own needs. The bottom line is although the USPS claims to be a business it is not. "Its prices are fixed and can never be adjusted to market conditions. What happens when businesses sense a decline in their volume? They lower prices or have a sale, of course. They may also cut back their operations if they discern that the decline in volume cannot be reversed," says Webb. The USPS cannot do either of these. Rates are set by law. Any operational changes are met with either political pressure or subject to oversight by Congress.(See _http://printceoblog.com/2008/01/usps-q1-volume-declines_ (http://printceoblog.com/2008/01/usps-q1-volume-declines) for more info from Webb.) I've been saying for years that "winner's analyze and losers rationalize," and to suggest that a fairly modest improvement in the delivery cycle (i.e. going from six days a week to five) cannot be done, or that it would impose hardships that are too unbearable is simply a gross rationalization. I am absolutely convinced that it can be done, and would result in significant savings without imposing any undue burdens on anyone. If we can't accomplish simple things like this, how are we supposed to deal with the real challenges in this country? John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) From dvmonto at optonline.net Thu Jun 12 09:24:49 2008 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Thu Jun 12 09:24:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] recommendation for addressing envelopes In-Reply-To: <023001c8cc21$782bc2a0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: Window envelopes.............. -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls Sir Speedy has added mailing services to our capabilities! Let's talk about your next project....perhaps, we can save you some time and Money on your next mailing. On 6/11/08 8:15 PM, "Dan Huntingford" wrote: > Knowing the size of your market Brad, I'd guess you would never in a > thousand years get enough business to justify real mailing equipment and > software. So seriously, pick and stick. > I am curious to hear other's take on this situation however. From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 12 09:28:35 2008 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Thu Jun 12 09:25:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] recomendation for laser printer that can print shortruns of envelopes , like 200 or so. References: <20080611.165204.28852.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <001b01c8cc90$379b4a20$0201a8c0@Leah> We use an Epson Stylus C88+. Machine costs less than $100.00. It will hold about 10 envelopes at once. While it is printing, I am doing any number of other computer jobs (estimating, photoshopping, layout and design, etc.) and reload it when necessary. For the money, it is hard to beat. So you throw it away every 2-3 years. Meanwhile we have run several thousand pieces thru it. Addressing postcard mailings also. We have had as many as four of them in house at once. We did replace one with a R1800 to do up to 13" wide materials, i.e. 150 catalog envelopes, etc. That machine was a little over $125. Works for us. Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Potter" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 6:52 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] recomendation for laser printer that can print shortruns of envelopes , like 200 or so. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** OK, I do not want to compete with my local mail house. They are a customer after all. Don't abuse me on that decision, it is how I want to do it. I gladly send orders of 500 to 30,000 to them. They have inserters and high speed addressers, that is not where I want to go right now. But from time to time, for my missionary friend or maybe for a small yacht club or something, I would want to print say 200 envelopes, custom with my new fusion pro software. Now MY vision of a laser printer, is that you can only put 3 in at a time, and then the paper path curls and then every 5 prints it jams. But you guys talk about doing hundreds and hundreds on a laser or inkjet of some sort. We used to do them on the Risograph, but that is not the right technology, remember this is a small data base, 50 to 300 names. And I do not want to hover over it. I want to set it up and let it run 50 (or more) before I have to attend to it again. What kind or printer are you using for something like that? brad Brad Potter Printing Services Inc. www.myprintsource.net Your Printing Super Hero 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A Port Orchard, WA 98366 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! ____________________________________________________________ Sweepstakes!!! Enter for your chance to WIN one of hundreds of daily prizes. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/JKFkuJi7UnnTvoISoTTKfAILt5YFjtEuFE3dnodCN9nJQrFOVaSmTC/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From tradeprint at frontiernet.net Thu Jun 12 09:28:33 2008 From: tradeprint at frontiernet.net (Robert Cashimere) Date: Thu Jun 12 09:28:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] C6500 - KM Corporate or independent dealer?? In-Reply-To: <200806111955.m5BJtF5H031715@i2bnetworks.com> References: <54620.192.168.1.70.1213149409.webmail@192.168.1.70> <8CA99F33C5591A1-1A18-72E@WEBMAIL-MC06.sysops.aol.com> <200806111955.m5BJtF5H031715@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <48512481.6000802@frontiernet.net> Consider the recent purchase of Danka by KMBS. Seems that the real story will eventually be between Danka(KM) and Ikon. Ikon sells and services many more of the KM 6500 and 1050's than the combined KM Dealer and KMBS operations. And their service organization is much larger and better equipped than any of KM pieces when viewed as a whole. However when making any new copier acquisition, I am always reminded that "all service is local". Comparing the quality of service in my backyard is far more important than the sales channel supplying the box. JMT Rob TradePrint Rochester, NY From jacemeister at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 09:36:50 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Thu Jun 12 09:36:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Web Site Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, John. I forwarded the info to her and here's what she said: When I click the button, all of the buttons are highlighted and traced in red. I can't only click one button. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com In a message dated 6/11/2008 2:17:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > jacemeister@gmail.com writes: > > Can I change one of the button's links? If so, do I have to unmap the > image > and how do I do that?" > > > > Jace, if you simply want to change where that button or word will take the > reader it is easy. Click on the button you want to edit in the normal > editing > mode, then click the button or word you are using, then click above on the > tool bar where it has the globe and link symbol which is "Insert Link." > That > will take you to the link page and you insert the address of where you > want the > link to take you. You will see the current format and current address > below, > and that is where you will change it and save it. > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > From kellycrom at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 09:38:29 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Thu Jun 12 09:39:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] recomendation for laser printer that can print shortruns of envelopes , like 200 or so. In-Reply-To: <20080611.165204.28852.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080611.165204.28852.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <00b501c8cc91$9a397480$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Any desktop inkjet printer with a straight-through paper path(ie Epson or Canon) will work. The HP's(inkjet) don't work the best. I have a little Canon(4200) that also works great for small postcard addressing(as long as it is on uncoated paper). Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brad Potter > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 6:52 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] recomendation for laser printer that > can print shortruns of envelopes , like 200 or so. > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > OK, I do not want to compete with my local mail house. They > are a customer after all. Don't abuse me on that decision, > it is how I want to do it. I gladly send orders of 500 to > 30,000 to them. They have inserters and high speed > addressers, that is not where I want to go right now. > But from time to time, for my missionary friend or maybe for > a small yacht club or something, I would want to print say > 200 envelopes, custom with my new fusion pro software. > Now MY vision of a laser printer, is that you can only put 3 > in at a time, and then the paper path curls and then every 5 > prints it jams. > But you guys talk about doing hundreds and hundreds on a > laser or inkjet of some sort. We used to do them on the > Risograph, but that is not the right technology, remember > this is a small data base, 50 to 300 names. And I do not > want to hover over it. I want to set it up and let it run 50 > (or more) before I have to attend to it again. > What kind or printer are you using for something like that? > > brad > > > > > > Brad Potter > Printing Services Inc. > www.myprintsource.net > Your Printing Super Hero > 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A > Port Orchard, WA 98366 > 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax > > P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you > have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our > expert design and associated printing related products and > services, please contact me. > I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of > integrity. > Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can > receive, so please don't keep us a secret! > > ____________________________________________________________ > Sweepstakes!!! > Enter for your chance to WIN one of hundreds of daily prizes. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/JKFkuJi7UnnTvoISoT > TKfAILt5YFjtEuFE3dnodCN9nJQrFOVaSmTC/ > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From armand at curryonline.com Thu Jun 12 09:54:33 2008 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Thu Jun 12 09:55:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] WAS: DHL to suspend home deliveries NOW: USPS 6-daymail de... In-Reply-To: <000001c8cc8e$c7f25930$640a0a0a@advanced8l9v8x> References: <000001c8cc8e$c7f25930$640a0a0a@advanced8l9v8x> Message-ID: <013c01c8cc93$d80b7ef0$88227cd0$@com> Also, if the USPS could deliver 6 days worth of mail in 5 days, would that make them more efficient? Oh, wait! This is a (quasi) government entity. Efficiency is frowned upon. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing Auburn, ME 04210 armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Rick Martin Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:18 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] WAS: DHL to suspend home deliveries NOW: USPS 6-daymail de... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** For every 5 regular carriers, there is a 6th "floater" who covers each of these routes on the regular carriers day off. For every 5 or 6 groups like this, there is another carrier to cover vacations, sick days etc. I cannot see where additional staffing would be required and would expect staffing to go down significantly as the program is implemented. Rick Martin Advanced Print & Copy 229 Memorial Avenue W Springfield, MA 01089 413-736-9808 markath1@verizon.net www.advancedprintandcopy.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 7:32 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] WAS: DHL to suspend home deliveries NOW: USPS 6-daymail de... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 6/11/2008 11:31:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Nancy@printingresources.com writes: So if mail delivery went from 6 days to 5 days, that would cut delivery capacity by one-sixth or 17%. That might work out if the USPS was 17% under capacity, but it also might mean that capacity on the remaining 5 days would have to be increased by either hiring more workers and putting more vehicles on the road, or having existing workers work overtime at a time-and-a-half premium. It might also slow mail delivery if the mail currently being delivered on Saturday had to switch to Monday, possibly increasing Monday mail load to more than the limit for an individual letter carrier for the day, thus slowing delivery by pushing part of the Monday mail to Tuesday, and perhaps cascading through the week. The above sounds like it came from the postal carrier's union PR office. First, let's look at some of the poor logic being used, especially from the perspective of someone who worked many, many years ago at the USPS... Just because the volume of mail per carrier increased by 17% it would not mean that carriers would have to work 17% more... it simply mean 17% more mail going to the same locations..... it's not as if the carrier will be carrying any extra burden or have to work that much harder. The trucks and vehicles they use have huge capacity and can easily handle that extra 17%. The typical mail carrier today is no where near 100% as witnessed by the official and unofficial breaks they take. But still, the bottom line is that delivering 12 pieces to a residence as opposed to 10 pieces would not impose any additional burden, other than at the sorting end of the process. Anyway, the above argument against ceasing 6 day delivery is not based upon a sound knowledge of the real world of postal delivery problems and challenges. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Jun 12 10:20:34 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Jun 12 10:21:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] IKON CPP 650 CPP Finishing Options? In-Reply-To: References: <200806112258.m5BMwl9k073209@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <200806121421.m5CELBIn058031@i2bnetworks.com> Great question. My mistake on this, you can get the SD-501 and the FS-503 in a single configuration. The issue with my 6500 is that we elected instead to have the LS-501 large capacity stacker which will allows you to run all the paper that would fill the two large capacity paper trays and deliver them into one stack that can then be wheeled out of the machine on its own cart. IF you get the LS-501 then I believe you can't get the large saddle stitcher SD-501 and the smaller FS-503. You have to choose one or the other. To have both and the LS-501 is an incompatible configuration. I do believe the SD-501 and the LS-501 is the most powerful combination of peripherals on this machine. My techs tell me that very few people locally elected to have the LS-501, yet this stacker allows me to set up a long run color job (~5000+ 11x17) and let it run well into the night so that in the morning we have $6-$7000 worth of work done and ready for processing. S. At 06:05 AM 6/12/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >On 6/11/08 5:58 PM, "Scott Cappel" wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > The only thing that the FS-607 will do that the SD-501 will not is a > > corner staple. The SD-501 will not corner staple, only saddle stitch. > > So if you run a lot of work 8.5x11 that needs a corner staple the > > FS-607 may be a better choice. > > > > S. > >Scott, > >I am curious about something. We do not have the 6500 but we do have a 1050 >which I was told has the same finishing options available on the 6500, the >difference being the front end. > >We have the FS-503 Staple Finisher ($4924), the FD-502 Folding Unit >($11,020) plus the SD-501 Saddle Stitcher ($18,404). The prices are IKON >prices from two years ago. Since the part numbers are the same, I'm >surprised you can't have both on the 6500's. > >Did K/M change something for the color boxes? > >Perhaps a good question for the K/M folks? > >Cyndy > > >-- >Cyndy Wendt Harkins >President >Pioneer Printing, Inc. >3133 S. 7th., Suite D >Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 >cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com > >402.483.7575 > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3180 (20080612) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Jun 12 10:30:38 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Thu Jun 12 10:30:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] recomendation for laser printer that can print shortruns of envelopes , like 200 or so. In-Reply-To: <20080611.165204.28852.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080611.165204.28852.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <006d01c8cc98$e28e21c0$6401a8c0@coranew> Brad, we just bought an Epson 8400 Inkjet and we are doing envelopes on it and the color seems to be real close to what I am getting on my OCE and it is fast!!! Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brad Potter Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 6:52 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] recomendation for laser printer that can print shortruns of envelopes , like 200 or so. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** OK, I do not want to compete with my local mail house. They are a customer after all. Don't abuse me on that decision, it is how I want to do it. I gladly send orders of 500 to 30,000 to them. They have inserters and high speed addressers, that is not where I want to go right now. But from time to time, for my missionary friend or maybe for a small yacht club or something, I would want to print say 200 envelopes, custom with my new fusion pro software. Now MY vision of a laser printer, is that you can only put 3 in at a time, and then the paper path curls and then every 5 prints it jams. But you guys talk about doing hundreds and hundreds on a laser or inkjet of some sort. We used to do them on the Risograph, but that is not the right technology, remember this is a small data base, 50 to 300 names. And I do not want to hover over it. I want to set it up and let it run 50 (or more) before I have to attend to it again. What kind or printer are you using for something like that? brad Brad Potter Printing Services Inc. www.myprintsource.net Your Printing Super Hero 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A Port Orchard, WA 98366 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! ____________________________________________________________ Sweepstakes!!! Enter for your chance to WIN one of hundreds of daily prizes. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/JKFkuJi7UnnTvoISoTTKfAILt5YFjtEu FE3dnodCN9nJQrFOVaSmTC/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3179 (20080611) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From mike at arborprinting.com Thu Jun 12 11:10:18 2008 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Thu Jun 12 11:08:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Publisher / InDesign plugin References: <543275.43121.qm@web53712.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00cc01c8cc9e$6d7b37f0$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> For those of you using Markzware Publisher / InDesign plugin, does it work? Is it apain, or pretty flawless? Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com mike@arborprinting.com P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Hutson" To: Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:46 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Used equipment has to go > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I still have the shrink wrapper and the plate burner and the plate processor. Also the vertical plate file system by Oblique. I will take offers for it all, i'm ready to move this stuff. Anyone know an equipment buyer please let me know. > > rhutson in NC > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From info at desktopsxm.com Thu Jun 12 11:24:59 2008 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Thu Jun 12 11:21:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Publisher / InDesign plugin In-Reply-To: <00cc01c8cc9e$6d7b37f0$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> References: <543275.43121.qm@web53712.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <00cc01c8cc9e$6d7b37f0$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <6A557393-3ADE-41EA-AD9E-C557DAE389C3@desktopsxm.com> we use it quite a bit. It is painless but we always ask for a hard copy as it does lose some formatting and of course font changes. Basically it works very well Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten Tel 542-4044 fax 543-1100 "The Printshop with a Difference" On Jun 12, 2008, at 11:10 AM, Mike@arborprinting.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > For those of you using Markzware Publisher / InDesign plugin, does > it work? Is it apain, or pretty flawless? > > > Thanks, > > > Michael Shuta > Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc > 630-969-2277 > www.arborprinting.com > mike@arborprinting.com > > P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a > friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert > design and associated printing related products and services, > please contact me. > I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of > integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can > receive, so please don't keep us a secret! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roger Hutson" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:46 AM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Used equipment has to go > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I still have the shrink wrapper and the plate burner and the plate >> processor. Also the vertical plate file system by Oblique. I will >> take offers for it all, i'm ready to move this stuff. Anyone know >> an equipment buyer please let me know. >> >> rhutson in NC >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with >> Yahoo! Search. >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Thu Jun 12 11:28:07 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Thu Jun 12 11:28:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Grammar question In-Reply-To: <54B99626-70B8-4E9F-94B3-CA5B3920B19F@fuse.net> References: <484FA5A8.6046.A60686C@slb.inkspot.net>, <001b01c8cbd2$357240f0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> <484FC9C6.4499.AED7BCB@slb.inkspot.net> <008901c8cbe4$118574c0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> <54B99626-70B8-4E9F-94B3-CA5B3920B19F@fuse.net> Message-ID: <48514087.3070008@sugarloafprint.com> I always thought it was "Gotsta get printed on dem." Do you mean I've been wrong all these years? Scott and Gail Finke wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Come on! I'm from Pittsburgh, and everyone KNOWS the correct > expression is "that need printing on." Just like, "the grass needs > mowing" or "the car needs washing." Your envelopes "need printing." Duh! > > > Gail Finke > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, OH 45231 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > (513) 522-2679 > Fax 522-2692 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > info@brentwood-printing.com > www.brentwood-printing.com > > > > > On Jun 11, 2008, at 12:56 PM, Kevin at PRO Printers wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> How about "that need to be printed" ? I'm not a grammarian, nor do I >> play one on TV, but I don't think the "on" is needed at all. Kinda >> like "where's he at?" - it should be "where is he?" >> >> Kevin Kerr >> Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. >> 1900 Merivale Rd. >> Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 >> Tel 613-727-9444 >> Fax 613-727-1945 >> kevin@proprinters.ca >> www.proprinters.ca >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Blatman" >> To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:49 PM >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Grammar question >> >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>>> >>>> We have several thousand #9 and #10 envelopes that need printed on... >>> >>> I was taught that the correct expression should be either >>> >>> ....that need to be printed on ...... >>> >>> or >>> >>> ....that need printing on.... >>> >>> This is not intended to denigrate anyone on this list. I thought that >>> the construction ....that need printed on... was a local thing (since >>> we get a lot of German constructions, because of the Pennsylvania >>> Dutch influence in our area), but I've been wrong before. >>> >>> Since we are often called upon to function as our customers' "grammar >>> police," what do you consider the correct form(s)? >>> >>> TIA, >>> Steve >>> >>> Steve Blatman >>> Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >>> 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >>> Tel: 610-647-0776 >>> Fax: 610-647-4560 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 12 11:32:33 2008 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Thu Jun 12 11:29:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] recomendation for laser printer that can printshortruns of envelopes , like 200 or so. References: <20080611.165204.28852.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> <006d01c8cc98$e28e21c0$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <002101c8cca1$89668f20$0201a8c0@Leah> Cora, What is the envelope feeding capacity? Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cora" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] recomendation for laser printer that can printshortruns of envelopes , like 200 or so. > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Brad, we just bought an Epson 8400 Inkjet and we are doing envelopes on it > and the color seems to be real close to what I am getting on my OCE and it > is fast!!! > > > Class Act Printing and Foil > 5801 W. Juno Street > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > (316) 522-0733 > cpurvine1@cox.net > Microsoft Service Provider > Member NAQP > > From mike at arborprinting.com Thu Jun 12 11:40:16 2008 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Thu Jun 12 11:38:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] recomendation for laser printer that canprintshortruns of envelopes , like 200 or so. References: <20080611.165204.28852.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com><006d01c8cc98$e28e21c0$6401a8c0@coranew> <002101c8cca1$89668f20$0201a8c0@Leah> Message-ID: <011501c8cca2$9ccf2ad0$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> How about this new Xerox printer that is free except for clicks, will it run envelopes? Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com mike@arborprinting.com P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Havens Printing and Copy Shop" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] recomendation for laser printer that canprintshortruns of envelopes , like 200 or so. > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Cora, > What is the envelope feeding capacity? > > Austin Havens, Owner > Havens Printing & Copy Shop > 200 N Main > McPherson, KS 67460 > 620-241-5400 > ahavens@sbcglobal.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cora" > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:30 AM > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] recomendation for laser printer that can > printshortruns of envelopes , like 200 or so. > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Brad, we just bought an Epson 8400 Inkjet and we are doing envelopes on >> it >> and the color seems to be real close to what I am getting on my OCE and >> it >> is fast!!! >> >> >> Class Act Printing and Foil >> 5801 W. Juno Street >> Wichita, KS 67215-1742 >> (316) 522-0733 >> cpurvine1@cox.net >> Microsoft Service Provider >> Member NAQP >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From swiftyprinting at mac.com Thu Jun 12 11:46:27 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Thu Jun 12 11:46:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Publisher / InDesign plugin In-Reply-To: <00cc01c8cc9e$6d7b37f0$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> References: <543275.43121.qm@web53712.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <00cc01c8cc9e$6d7b37f0$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <80987E5D-DEA9-48B5-8FBF-022CD8E6B21F@mac.com> On Jun 12, 2008, at 11:10 AM, Mike@arborprinting.com wrote: > For those of you using Markzware Publisher / InDesign plugin, does > it work? Is it apain, or pretty flawless? It works as well as how the publisher file was set up. If things are tabbed and graphics are inserted correctly then it does pretty well. Otherwise you will loose some of the formatting. Fonts will be fonts. If you have the fonts they will work for the most part but you may loose the bold and italic depending on the font and how it was stylized. We use it mainly when we know it is a project that we are taking over and will be doing major changes and adjustments, otherwise we find going from Publisher to PDF is a better workflow. We can also open the PDF in InDesign with our PDF2ID plug in. We do NOT use it as a substitute way of Printing Publisher files, not good for that. We DO use it for taking over projects with color critical and quality issues when there are major changes to be made. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Jun 12 12:37:24 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Thu Jun 12 12:37:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] recomendation for laser printer that canprintshortruns of envelopes , like 200 or so. In-Reply-To: <002101c8cca1$89668f20$0201a8c0@Leah> References: <20080611.165204.28852.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com><006d01c8cc98$e28e21c0$6401a8c0@coranew> <002101c8cca1$89668f20$0201a8c0@Leah> Message-ID: <00e701c8ccaa$97e84f30$6401a8c0@coranew> A little more than on the C88, but it is so fast that you can get a box done in no time. It used to take us 2 days to do 1,000 #10 envelopes and now it takes about 4 hours the ink price isn't too bad either and last quite a while. Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Havens Printing and Copy Shop Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 10:33 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] recomendation for laser printer that canprintshortruns of envelopes , like 200 or so. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Cora, What is the envelope feeding capacity? Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cora" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] recomendation for laser printer that can printshortruns of envelopes , like 200 or so. > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Brad, we just bought an Epson 8400 Inkjet and we are doing envelopes on it > and the color seems to be real close to what I am getting on my OCE and it > is fast!!! > > > Class Act Printing and Foil > 5801 W. Juno Street > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > (316) 522-0733 > cpurvine1@cox.net > Microsoft Service Provider > Member NAQP > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3181 (20080612) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 12 13:14:32 2008 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Thu Jun 12 13:11:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] recomendation for laser printer thatcanprintshortruns of envelopes , like 200 or so. References: <20080611.165204.28852.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com><006d01c8cc98$e28e21c0$6401a8c0@coranew><002101c8cca1$89668f20$0201a8c0@Leah> <00e701c8ccaa$97e84f30$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <003b01c8ccaf$c850c9e0$0201a8c0@Leah> Thanks, Sounds like a winner for the small jobs. Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cora" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 11:37 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] recomendation for laser printer thatcanprintshortruns of envelopes , like 200 or so. > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > A little more than on the C88, but it is so fast that you can get a box > done > in no time. It used to take us 2 days to do 1,000 #10 envelopes and now it > takes about 4 hours the ink price isn't too bad either and last quite a > while. > > > Class Act Printing and Foil > 5801 W. Juno Street > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > (316) 522-0733 > cpurvine1@cox.net > Microsoft Service Provider > Member NAQP > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Havens Printing and > Copy Shop > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 10:33 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] recomendation for laser printer that > canprintshortruns of envelopes , like 200 or so. > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Cora, > What is the envelope feeding capacity? > > Austin Havens, Owner > Havens Printing & Copy Shop > 200 N Main > McPherson, KS 67460 > 620-241-5400 > ahavens@sbcglobal.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cora" > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:30 AM > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] recomendation for laser printer that can > printshortruns of envelopes , like 200 or so. > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Brad, we just bought an Epson 8400 Inkjet and we are doing envelopes on >> it >> and the color seems to be real close to what I am getting on my OCE and >> it >> is fast!!! >> >> >> Class Act Printing and Foil >> 5801 W. Juno Street >> Wichita, KS 67215-1742 >> (316) 522-0733 >> cpurvine1@cox.net >> Microsoft Service Provider >> Member NAQP >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3181 (20080612) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Jun 12 13:44:50 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Thu Jun 12 13:44:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] recomendation for laser printerthatcanprintshortruns of envelopes , like 200 or so. In-Reply-To: <003b01c8ccaf$c850c9e0$0201a8c0@Leah> References: <20080611.165204.28852.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com><006d01c8cc98$e28e21c0$6401a8c0@coranew><002101c8cca1$89668f20$0201a8c0@Leah><00e701c8ccaa$97e84f30$6401a8c0@coranew> <003b01c8ccaf$c850c9e0$0201a8c0@Leah> Message-ID: <010201c8ccb4$036fd760$6401a8c0@coranew> It has been for us. Let me know how you like it. Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From info at Desktopsxm.com Thu Jun 12 13:58:52 2008 From: info at Desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Thu Jun 12 13:55:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] spelling Message-ID: <82F01ACF-86C2-42E2-84E0-FD4EC4C50322@Desktopsxm.com> O lny srmat poelpe can raed tihs. i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt! if you can raed tihs psas it on!! Psas Ti ON ! Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten Tel 542-4044 fax 543-1100 "The Printshop with a Difference" From communicar at aol.com Thu Jun 12 13:59:01 2008 From: communicar at aol.com (communicar@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 12 13:59:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] IKON CPP 650 CPP Finishing Options? In-Reply-To: <200806121421.m5CELBIn058031@i2bnetworks.com> References: <200806112258.m5BMwl9k073209@i2bnetworks.com> <200806121421.m5CELBIn058031@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <8CA9ACD2147E0EB-AF8-108C@Webmail-mg05.sim.aol.com> Scott, Would you mind telling what your package price was? Thanks, Ken Azebu Communicart Graphics & Printing 499 Aldo Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408) 970-0922 (408) 970-8630 Fax -----Original Message----- From: Scott Cappel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 7:20 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] IKON CPP 650 CPP Finishing Options? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Great question.? ? My mistake on this, you can get the SD-501 and the FS-503 in a single configuration.? ? The issue with my 6500 is that we elected instead to have the LS-501 large capacity stacker which will allows you to run all the paper that would fill the two large capacity paper trays and deliver them into one stack that can then be wheeled out of the machine on its own cart.? ? IF you get the LS-501 then I believe you can't get the large saddle stitcher SD-501 and the smaller FS-503. You have to choose one or the other. To have both and the LS-501 is an incompatible configuration.? ? I do believe the SD-501 and the LS-501 is the most powerful combination of peripherals on this machine. My techs tell me that very few people locally elected to have the LS-501, yet this stacker allows me to set up a long run color job (~5000+ 11x17) and let it run well into the night so that in the morning we have $6-$7000 worth of work done and ready for processing.? ? S.? ? ? ? At 06:05 AM 6/12/2008, you wrote:? >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? >On 6/11/08 5:58 PM, "Scott Cappel" wrote:? >? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > > The only thing that the FS-607 will do that the SD-501 will not is a? > > corner staple. The SD-501 will not corner staple, only saddle stitch.? > > So if you run a lot of work 8.5x11 that needs a corner staple the? > > FS-607 may be a better choice.? > >? > > S.? >? >Scott,? >? >I am curious about something. We do not have the 6500 but we do have a 1050? >which I was told has the same finishing options available on the 6500, the? >difference being the front end.? >? >We have the FS-503 Staple Finisher ($4924), the FD-502 Folding Unit? >($11,020) plus the SD-501 Saddle Stitcher ($18,404). The prices are IKON? >prices from two years ago. Since the part numbers are the same, I'm? >surprised you can't have both on the 6500's.? >? >Did K/M change something for the color boxes?? >? >Perhaps a good question for the K/M folks?? >? >Cyndy? >? >? >--? >Cyndy Wendt Harkins? >President? >Pioneer Printing, Inc.? >3133 S. 7th., Suite D? >Lincoln, Nebraska 68502? >cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com? >? >402.483.7575? >? >? >? >_______________________________________________? >PrintOwners Discussion List? >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? >__________ NOD32 3180 (20080612) Information __________? >? >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.? >http://www.eset.com? ? _____________________________________________? ? Scott Cappel? ? Sorrento Mesa Printing? 7398 Trade Street? San Diego, CA 92121-2422? 858-527-0800? 858-527-1740 FAX? http://www.sorrentomesa.com? ? LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa? ? Direct Links for Learning:? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html? ? Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider? Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider? Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level? Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider? ? Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Jun 12 14:01:46 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Jun 12 14:02:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] spelling In-Reply-To: <82F01ACF-86C2-42E2-84E0-FD4EC4C50322@Desktopsxm.com> References: <82F01ACF-86C2-42E2-84E0-FD4EC4C50322@Desktopsxm.com> Message-ID: <200806121802.m5CI2MrJ009104@i2bnetworks.com> Jhon Hnrey can now be vrey hpapy ES. At 10:58 AM 6/12/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >O lny srmat poelpe can raed tihs. > > >i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was >rdanieg. The >phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at >Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, > >it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny >iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit >pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit >a porbelm. > >Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, >but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot >slpeling was ipmorantt! > >if you can raed tihs psas it on!! > >Psas Ti ON ! > > > >Joel Brint >Desktop Imaging >St. Maarten >Tel 542-4044 >fax 543-1100 > >"The Printshop with a Difference" > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3181 (20080612) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Jun 12 14:03:50 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Jun 12 14:04:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] IKON CPP 650 CPP Finishing Options? In-Reply-To: <8CA9ACD2147E0EB-AF8-108C@Webmail-mg05.sim.aol.com> References: <200806112258.m5BMwl9k073209@i2bnetworks.com> <200806121421.m5CELBIn058031@i2bnetworks.com> <8CA9ACD2147E0EB-AF8-108C@Webmail-mg05.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <200806121804.m5CI4QNc009729@i2bnetworks.com> 72K out the door (including tax and install). Its loaded for bear....and we got lots a bear. S. At 10:59 AM 6/12/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Scott, > > > >Would you mind telling what your package price was? > >Thanks, > > >Ken Azebu >Communicart Graphics & Printing >499 Aldo Avenue >Santa Clara, CA 95054 >(408) 970-0922 >(408) 970-8630 Fax > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Scott Cappel >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners >Only >Sent: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 7:20 am >Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] IKON CPP 650 CPP Finishing Options? > > > > > > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > > >Great question.? >? > >My mistake on this, you can get the SD-501 and the FS-503 in a single >configuration.? >? > >The issue with my 6500 is that we elected instead to have the LS-501 >large capacity stacker which will allows you to run all the paper >that would fill the two large capacity paper trays and deliver them >into one stack that can then be wheeled out of the machine on its own cart.? >? > >IF you get the LS-501 then I believe you can't get the large saddle >stitcher SD-501 and the smaller FS-503. You have to choose one or the >other. To have both and the LS-501 is an incompatible configuration.? >? > >I do believe the SD-501 and the LS-501 is the most powerful >combination of peripherals on this machine. My techs tell me that >very few people locally elected to have the LS-501, yet this stacker >allows me to set up a long run color job (~5000+ 11x17) and let it >run well into the night so that in the morning we have $6-$7000 worth >of work done and ready for processing.? >? > > >S.? >? > >? > >? > >At 06:05 AM 6/12/2008, you wrote:? > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? > > >? > > >On 6/11/08 5:58 PM, "Scott Cappel" wrote:? > > >? > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? > > >? > > > > The only thing that the FS-607 will do that the SD-501 will not is a? > > > > corner staple. The SD-501 will not corner staple, only saddle stitch.? > > > > So if you run a lot of work 8.5x11 that needs a corner staple the? > > > > FS-607 may be a better choice.? > > > >? > > > > S.? > > >? > > >Scott,? > > >? > > >I am curious about something. We do not have > the 6500 but we do have a 1050? > > >which I was told has the same finishing options available on the 6500, the? > > >difference being the front end.? > > >? > > >We have the FS-503 Staple Finisher ($4924), the FD-502 Folding Unit? > > >($11,020) plus the SD-501 Saddle Stitcher ($18,404). The prices are IKON? > > >prices from two years ago. Since the part numbers are the same, I'm? > > >surprised you can't have both on the 6500's.? > > >? > > >Did K/M change something for the color boxes?? > > >? > > >Perhaps a good question for the K/M folks?? > > >? > > >Cyndy? > > >? > > >? > > >--? > > >Cyndy Wendt Harkins? > > >President? > > >Pioneer Printing, Inc.? > > >3133 S. 7th., Suite D? > > >Lincoln, Nebraska 68502? > > >cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com? > > >? > > >402.483.7575? > > >? > > >? > > >? > > >_______________________________________________? > > >PrintOwners Discussion List? > > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? > > >? > > >? > > >__________ NOD32 3180 (20080612) Information __________? > > >? > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.? > > >http://www.eset.com? >? > >_____________________________________________? >? > >Scott Cappel? >? > >Sorrento Mesa Printing? > >7398 Trade Street? > >San Diego, CA 92121-2422? > >858-527-0800? > >858-527-1740 FAX? > >http://www.sorrentomesa.com? >? > >LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa? >? > >Direct Links for Learning:? > >http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html? > >http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html? > >http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html? >? > >Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider? > >Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider? > >Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level? > >Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider? >? > >Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego? >? > >_______________________________________________? > >PrintOwners Discussion List? > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3181 (20080612) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From margaret at designotype.com Thu Jun 12 15:24:37 2008 From: margaret at designotype.com (margaret@designotype.com) Date: Thu Jun 12 15:24:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] flattening transparencies in indesign Message-ID: <53380.192.168.1.70.1213298677.webmail@192.168.1.70> sorry to repeat. i need to get rid of the boxes that show when using drop shadows, etc. indesign to xerox color copier can someone please help? margaret Designotype Printers, Inc. 906-482-2424 906-482-2266 fax We are the only printer in the 4 county area that provides a written Per4mance Pledge ensuring that you are completely satisfied with projects printed at Designotype Printers, Inc. From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Jun 12 15:40:12 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Jun 12 15:40:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] flattening transparencies in indesign In-Reply-To: <53380.192.168.1.70.1213298677.webmail@192.168.1.70> References: <53380.192.168.1.70.1213298677.webmail@192.168.1.70> Message-ID: <200806121940.m5CJemHc033513@i2bnetworks.com> Its all in how you send the file. http://tinyurl.com/63dqyv S. At 12:24 PM 6/12/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >sorry to repeat. i need to get rid of the boxes that show when using >drop shadows, etc. indesign to xerox color copier can someone please >help? margaret Designotype Printers, Inc. 906-482-2424 906-482-2266 >fax We are the only printer in the 4 county area that provides a >written Per4mance Pledge ensuring that you are completely satisfied >with projects printed at Designotype Printers, Inc. > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3181 (20080612) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From sgfinke at fuse.net Thu Jun 12 16:13:27 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Thu Jun 12 16:11:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Other printers can, why can't you? References: <01ba01c8cc92$240aacb0$6500a8c0@bethxp> Message-ID: <6E267EC8-258D-49CF-B57F-0819283404BA@fuse.net> Of course I know there is no reason to bother with this stuff -- and I went ahead and did it anyway. We are doing this project as a donation to the community (it's a Soap Box Derby car, which Scott and our son built and our son is driving in a citywide race). Every business or civic group that pays gets its logo on the car and on a t- shirt, and the logos are coming in all sorts of ways. Well, one came in to our HOME address (it's the community we live in, not where our business is located) in a Word file, which looked blank to me. Scott can probably get it out but I asked for the plain art file, and I got a reply saying that it was on their web site, couldn't we use that? Then she sent it again in another Word file. Because we print for this group and we are likely to work with them again, I sent a nice (I thought) note explaining that we could use what we have in the files but when they send art to people in the future, they should find and send the original file. And I got back the old "other printers can do it why can't you" response. Sigh. People think Word is for EVERYTHING. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com Begin forwarded message: > From: XXX > Date: June 12, 2008 9:42:21 AM EDT > To: "Scott and Gail Finke" > Subject: Re: CHG logo > > Brentwood Printing has our logo on file as we have our letterhead > and envelopes printed with you guys. I don't have the original > art, just files that can be fit to size for our document needs. It > has worked when I sent it to other printers--Fast Signs, for > instance, just this past May. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott and Gail Finke" > > To: XXXX > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:12 AM > Subject: Re: CHG logo > > >> >> XXX >> >> I got a blank page. Did you place the image in a doc file, or >> link it? If it's embedded in the file Scott can probably get it >> out, but the best way to send a graphic file is to just append it >> to your email, not to place it in a document. Word files are >> meant to be printed out, not to send graphics to be used in other >> programs. >> >> Scott has a black and white logo image in his files at work. If >> that's what you are sending, then it's fine -- the info is just >> for future reference. If it's a color file or some other, >> different logo image, let me know and he will work on it. >> >> Gail >> >> On Jun 12, 2008, at 8:48 AM, Beth McLean wrote: >> >>> From sos at olympus.net Thu Jun 12 17:22:27 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Jun 12 17:24:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Other printers can, why can't you? References: <01ba01c8cc92$240aacb0$6500a8c0@bethxp> <6E267EC8-258D-49CF-B57F-0819283404BA@fuse.net> Message-ID: <039b01c8ccd2$6a59d610$6900a8c0@DANIEL> We get people who send us the short cut to whatever file they are trying to send, instead of the actual file. Quite often. They must be dragging the file out of a folder to the desktop where they can find it. They always claim that's how they always do it. Then you gotta s'plain to em, "That may work on your computer because the file is on your computer, but it won't work on ours," but they don't want to hear it. Willful ignorance, we call it. Not sure how many times I've walked people through using the Pack N Go Publisher feature over the phone, only to have them be completely unable to then find the file. So you drive out to their office, and show them how, and then the next job, go through it all over again. You look at their file structure and there is absolutely no rhyme or reason to it. Desktop crammed double deep with random files and programs, folders on multiple levels with the same name, etc. etc. No wonder they can't find anything. Any way, as Plato said in the year 340 B.C. or so, "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From StevePrint at aol.com Thu Jun 12 17:42:07 2008 From: StevePrint at aol.com (StevePrint@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 12 17:43:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Other printers can, why can't you? Message-ID: Websitesforprinters eliminates most of the problems with Publisher Files by using JAWS PDF. Very easy for customers to use. Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 Order Printing & Promotional Products On-Line. We have Ideas & Solutions! Visit: _http://www.iorderprinting.com_ (http://www.iorderprinting.com/) **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) From craig at sutterprinting.com Thu Jun 12 17:43:08 2008 From: craig at sutterprinting.com (Craig Baise) Date: Thu Jun 12 17:43:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xante / Rip It Consumable agreement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark - thanks for the reply Craig On 6/11/08 12:29 PM, "Mark Lake" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We do the consumeables contract. If you agree to purchase 48 rolls of either > plate or film material during the year, maintenance contract is no charge. > If 24 rolls, then you pay 1/2 price. We go with 24 rolls, billed and shipped > quarterly, because that is how many rolls we actually use per year. Their > price is also about $5/roll less expensive than our old supplier was. > > > Mark Lake > PIP Printing > 368 Jefferson Street > Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 > 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax > www.pipsturgeonbay.com > Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com > > To send a file to us, please use the link below > http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Loren Maurina > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:55 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Xante / Rip It Consumable agreement > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Craig, > I think I'm confused > I had to pay for the service contract up front for the year, instead of the > old quaterly payments. > We don't do the consumables contract with RipIt > > loren > > > On Jun 10, 2008, at 4:03 PM, Craig Baise wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Loren - thanks for your reply - just want to be sure - do they charge >> for the expected purchases for the year at the start of the year?? >> Thanks craig >> >> >> On 6/10/08 12:20 PM, "Loren Maurina" wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> YES >>> >>> As much as I didn't want to do it, I had no choice >>> >>> >>> On Jun 10, 2008, at 1:51 PM, Craig Baise wrote: >>> >>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>> >>>> We have a rip it imagesetter - Xante wants us to sign an agreement >>>> that says _ 12 month agreement with automatic renewal and the >>>> minimum commitment for the year is payable at the start of the >>>> agreement. Verbally, they denied it said that but it does. We said >>>> we want it amended to say that we pay as we purchase and they said >>>> no changes to the agreement. 1. Has anyone else been asked to sign >>>> this? 2. If so, have they charged your card for the full commitment >>>> at the start? Thanks Craig C. Baise Sutter Printing >>>> 916.446.0167 office >>>> www.sutterprinting.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Loren Maurina >>> President >>> L & L Printing, Inc. >>> dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp >>> dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren >>> >>> ph (586) 263-0060 >>> fx (586) 263-4895 >>> >>> Loren@InkOnPaper.biz >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >> >> Craig C. Baise >> Sutter Printing >> 916.446.0167 office >> www.sutterprinting.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > Loren Maurina > President > L & L Printing, Inc. > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren > > ph (586) 263-0060 > fx (586) 263-4895 > > Loren@InkOnPaper.biz > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database > version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) > Database version: 5.09520 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Craig C. Baise Sutter Printing 916.446.0167 office www.sutterprinting.com From npiprinting at verizon.net Thu Jun 12 18:22:08 2008 From: npiprinting at verizon.net (Steve Fairchild) Date: Thu Jun 12 18:22:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Offline Stapling of 1/2" sales books Message-ID: <4851A190.4030505@verizon.net> Looking for a good electric stapler for sales books. We do 50 sets of 2-part carbonless tag-chip-bind. Currently use hand stapler but real time consuming with larger orders. Do any of you use a stapler such as a Bostitch or Interlake or some other more reliable machine. The single head floor models that staple over 1/2" thick (saddle/side stitch) are in the $6m range and I would like to see if anyone has an alternative with a lower price range and equal quality. Thanks, Charles S. Fairchild, President Nicholas Printing, Inc. 1109 Broad Street Summersville, WV 26651 1-304-872-5906 - Phone 1-304-872-5923 - Fax npiprinting@verizon.net www.nicholasprinting.com From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com Thu Jun 12 19:34:20 2008 From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat) Date: Thu Jun 12 19:34:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xante / Rip It Consumable agreement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark, I am going through the same problem right now. In their contract it states that they will charge the whole amount on the anniversary month. I spoke to the person who sent me the contract and she told me that they will charge the box only per month. I ask her to change the wording on the contract but she said she will not. It was a lot easier to deal with RIP-It, now we have to deal with Xante, I am looking for a new vendor. I used to buy from MAC before, I think I am going back to them. They actually used to give me a better price, RIP-It offered me the Softcare contract, but will not support my version of software, so it is useless. Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Craig Baise Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 5:43 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Xante / Rip It Consumable agreement ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Mark - thanks for the reply Craig On 6/11/08 12:29 PM, "Mark Lake" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We do the consumeables contract. If you agree to purchase 48 rolls of either > plate or film material during the year, maintenance contract is no charge. > If 24 rolls, then you pay 1/2 price. We go with 24 rolls, billed and shipped > quarterly, because that is how many rolls we actually use per year. Their > price is also about $5/roll less expensive than our old supplier was. > > > Mark Lake > PIP Printing > 368 Jefferson Street > Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 > 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax > www.pipsturgeonbay.com > Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com > > To send a file to us, please use the link below > http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Loren Maurina > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:55 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Xante / Rip It Consumable agreement > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Craig, > I think I'm confused > I had to pay for the service contract up front for the year, instead of the > old quaterly payments. > We don't do the consumables contract with RipIt > > loren > > > On Jun 10, 2008, at 4:03 PM, Craig Baise wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Loren - thanks for your reply - just want to be sure - do they charge >> for the expected purchases for the year at the start of the year?? >> Thanks craig >> >> >> On 6/10/08 12:20 PM, "Loren Maurina" wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> YES >>> >>> As much as I didn't want to do it, I had no choice >>> >>> >>> On Jun 10, 2008, at 1:51 PM, Craig Baise wrote: >>> >>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>> >>>> We have a rip it imagesetter - Xante wants us to sign an agreement >>>> that says _ 12 month agreement with automatic renewal and the >>>> minimum commitment for the year is payable at the start of the >>>> agreement. Verbally, they denied it said that but it does. We said >>>> we want it amended to say that we pay as we purchase and they said >>>> no changes to the agreement. 1. Has anyone else been asked to sign >>>> this? 2. If so, have they charged your card for the full commitment >>>> at the start? Thanks Craig C. Baise Sutter Printing >>>> 916.446.0167 office >>>> www.sutterprinting.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Loren Maurina >>> President >>> L & L Printing, Inc. >>> dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp >>> dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren >>> >>> ph (586) 263-0060 >>> fx (586) 263-4895 >>> >>> Loren@InkOnPaper.biz >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >> >> Craig C. Baise >> Sutter Printing >> 916.446.0167 office >> www.sutterprinting.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > Loren Maurina > President > L & L Printing, Inc. > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren > > ph (586) 263-0060 > fx (586) 263-4895 > > Loren@InkOnPaper.biz > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database > version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) > Database version: 5.09520 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Craig C. Baise Sutter Printing 916.446.0167 office www.sutterprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From si at ria.net Thu Jun 12 22:55:46 2008 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:56:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] End of the week time waster... Message-ID: <20080612195608.7ABA526E@sj1-dm101.mta.everyone.net> If you LOATHE Fox News' Bill O'Reilly or If you LOVE Fox News' Bill O'Reilly and, VERY IMPORTANT, If you have a strong tolerance for what some might consider "unsavory" language and If you have 6-7 minutes to waste... Here are some links you might want to follow to unwind at the end of the week. -- Raw footage of O'Reilly losing his cool on an old "Inside Edition" program. Great images for an anger management promo: http://tinyurl.com/6czoox -- Same outtake interspersed with a "what might have happened" interaction with the show's producer. (If you only have 3-4 minutes to waste, skip this one and go on to the next): http://tinyurl.com/55tcgh -- The remix. A remarkable example of making something out of nothing. Might even be the sort of thing Larry Taylor was talking about last week on PrintOwners when he brought up the esoteric subject of "time leveraging." ;-) http://tinyurl.com/64f4ad Hope everybody has a relaxing weekend filled with lots of joy and humor! Doug Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu Jun 12 23:55:27 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu Jun 12 23:55:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Surprising Fed-Ex Shipping Rates In-Reply-To: <6DEAAED8-6159-478C-9885-933C8D4AADEE@Gutenblog.com> References: <6DEAAED8-6159-478C-9885-933C8D4AADEE@Gutenblog.com> Message-ID: <8CA9B20737A2E35-A94-1631@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> Hey Mike LTNS? I use Fedex ground/Express all day.? Best part about using the?ground service their workers are independent.? They are responsible for picking up & shipping.? Since dropping UPS awhile back, customers are amazed on how much?faster deliveries?are? You see the faster they pick up & deliver the faster they get paid.? Also, unlike some other service.? They don't allocated funds for losses & damages every month?like others do? Paperwork I'm glad not to deal with.? There's a 90% drop that any business can enjoy Tommy Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Stevens To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:55 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] Surprising Fed-Ex Shipping Rates ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? I recently sold my 47-year-old collection of Lionel Electric toy trains on E-Bay. Knowing I'd have to ship out many, many different sized boxes of varying weights and sizes, I studied UPS, DHL, USPS and FedEx. What I found surprised me a lot.? ? The lowest-priced and best value was FedEx Ground. They were consistently as low priced as USPS Parcel Post, but offered these advantages:? ? ? ? tracking numbers? ? ? friendly customer service and short lines? ? ? fast and easy-to-use paperwork? ? ? "ground rates," but in fact many of my packages were delivered by the second day. I don't think FedEx lets boxes sit around.? ? I shipped 162 parcels weighing from one pound to 47 pounds in 30 days without a hitch. FedEx Ground was a great help.? ? Kindest regards and happy printing,? ? Mike? ? Mike Stevens? Executive Suite 222? 3137 32nd Avenue South? Fargo, North Dakota 58103? 1-701-241-9204? MikeStevens@Gutenblog.com? ? www.WebsitesForPrinters.com? www.DirectMailForPrinters.com? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Fri Jun 13 08:27:15 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Fri Jun 13 08:28:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xante / Rip It Consumable agreement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Richard, We were buying our plate material from Mueller Graphic Supply in Milwaukee, 414 475-0990. They were cheaper than anyone else we found and they picked up shipping. Having said that, we haven't bought plate material from them for about 18 months now since we are on the maintenance contract. I agree wholeheartedly, RIPit was much easier to deal with than Xante. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Richard Moffat Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:34 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Xante / Rip It Consumable agreement ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Mark, I am going through the same problem right now. In their contract it states that they will charge the whole amount on the anniversary month. I spoke to the person who sent me the contract and she told me that they will charge the box only per month. I ask her to change the wording on the contract but she said she will not. It was a lot easier to deal with RIP-It, now we have to deal with Xante, I am looking for a new vendor. I used to buy from MAC before, I think I am going back to them. They actually used to give me a better price, RIP-It offered me the Softcare contract, but will not support my version of software, so it is useless. Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Craig Baise Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 5:43 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Xante / Rip It Consumable agreement ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Mark - thanks for the reply Craig On 6/11/08 12:29 PM, "Mark Lake" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We do the consumeables contract. If you agree to purchase 48 rolls of either > plate or film material during the year, maintenance contract is no charge. > If 24 rolls, then you pay 1/2 price. We go with 24 rolls, billed and shipped > quarterly, because that is how many rolls we actually use per year. > Their price is also about $5/roll less expensive than our old supplier was. > > > Mark Lake > PIP Printing > 368 Jefferson Street > Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 > 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax > www.pipsturgeonbay.com > Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com > > To send a file to us, please use the link below > http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Loren Maurina > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:55 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Xante / Rip It Consumable agreement > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Craig, > I think I'm confused > I had to pay for the service contract up front for the year, instead > of the > old quaterly payments. > We don't do the consumables contract with RipIt > > loren > > > On Jun 10, 2008, at 4:03 PM, Craig Baise wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Loren - thanks for your reply - just want to be sure - do they charge >> for the expected purchases for the year at the start of the year?? >> Thanks craig >> >> >> On 6/10/08 12:20 PM, "Loren Maurina" wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> YES >>> >>> As much as I didn't want to do it, I had no choice >>> >>> >>> On Jun 10, 2008, at 1:51 PM, Craig Baise wrote: >>> >>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>> >>>> We have a rip it imagesetter - Xante wants us to sign an agreement >>>> that says _ 12 month agreement with automatic renewal and the >>>> minimum commitment for the year is payable at the start of the >>>> agreement. Verbally, they denied it said that but it does. We said >>>> we want it amended to say that we pay as we purchase and they said >>>> no changes to the agreement. 1. Has anyone else been asked to sign >>>> this? 2. If so, have they charged your card for the full commitment >>>> at the start? Thanks Craig C. Baise Sutter Printing >>>> 916.446.0167 office >>>> www.sutterprinting.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Loren Maurina >>> President >>> L & L Printing, Inc. >>> dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp >>> dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren >>> >>> ph (586) 263-0060 >>> fx (586) 263-4895 >>> >>> Loren@InkOnPaper.biz >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >> >> Craig C. Baise >> Sutter Printing >> 916.446.0167 office >> www.sutterprinting.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > Loren Maurina > President > L & L Printing, Inc. > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren > > ph (586) 263-0060 > fx (586) 263-4895 > > Loren@InkOnPaper.biz > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database > version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database > version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Craig C. Baise Sutter Printing 916.446.0167 office www.sutterprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From richard at agmacon.com Fri Jun 13 08:51:04 2008 From: richard at agmacon.com (Richard Dannenberg) Date: Fri Jun 13 08:49:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] UV Coater Considerations Message-ID: <48526D38.1030302@agmacon.com> I'm going Monday to look at a UV Coater at an equipment dealer in Atlanta. I've been interested in this piece of equipment for a good while, primarily due to problems we have with digital postcards as they are processed by the fine folks at the Postal Service. While I'd like to have the capability, I'm a little concerned that this piece of equipment can pay for itself. UV is regularly offered by the Internet bandits for "free," and I'm not sure my customers will pay for it. Here are questions: 1. Does anyone have an offline coater installed? What are the performance questions I should ask? 2. How do you charge for the product? 3. How has the reception been from your customers? Thanks! Richard Dannenberg AlphaGraphics - Macon, GA -- From slb at inkspot.net Fri Jun 13 10:02:02 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Jun 13 10:02:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Offline Stapling of 1/2" sales books In-Reply-To: <4851A190.4030505@verizon.net> References: <4851A190.4030505@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4852459A.12127.14A1307B@slb.inkspot.net> We have an old, foot-operated bostitch heavy-duty stapler that'll take up to 9/16" staples, will set up for either saddle or flat stapling, and clinches from the bottom. Last time I was in Joe Simek's used equipment warehouse in Willow Grove, PA (about a 45 minute drive from here), he had one that had been motorized. I can't imagine him asking more than a few hundred for it, if that. There's probably someone closer to you who'll sell you one, but Joe's number is 215-706-0705. HTH, Steve > > Looking for a good electric stapler for sales books. We do 50 sets of > 2-part carbonless tag-chip-bind. Currently use hand stapler but real > time consuming with larger orders. Do any of you use a stapler such as > a Bostitch or Interlake or some other more reliable machine. The single > head floor models that staple over 1/2" thick (saddle/side stitch) are > in the $6m range and I would like to see if anyone has an alternative > with a lower price range and equal quality. > > Thanks, > > Charles S. Fairchild, President > > Nicholas Printing, Inc. > 1109 Broad Street > Summersville, WV 26651 > > 1-304-872-5906 - Phone > 1-304-872-5923 - Fax > > npiprinting@verizon.net > www.nicholasprinting.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3184 (20080613) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From files at aloha4print.com Fri Jun 13 10:59:03 2008 From: files at aloha4print.com (Nancy Denney) Date: Fri Jun 13 10:57:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xante / Rip It Consumable agreement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41F87CBC-0DDE-47CB-A08F-53FEFBDF7AAA@aloha4print.com> We just bought 4 rolls of Megapro 8mil poly for our Rip-It and it was $114.40 a roll with $8.95 for freight. The company we buy from it Styers Equipment Company in Overland Park, Kansas @ 913-681-5225, they are a helpful group. Our freight may be so low because we are right out of St. Louis, MO. Richard when we got the Softcare I thought the upgrades were included, so I would think they would support your version since they are suppose to keep you up-to-date. Our problem with them was their emails never got through unless it was a bill. They have a great product but the ongoing service needs an overhaul. N. Denney Aloha Print & Copy, LLC www.aloha4print.com On Jun 12, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Richard Moffat wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Mark, > > I am going through the same problem right now. In their contract > it states > that they will charge the whole amount on the anniversary month. I > spoke to > the person who sent me the contract and she told me that they will > charge > the box only per month. I ask her to change the wording on the > contract but > she said she will not. It was a lot easier to deal with RIP-It, > now we have > to deal with Xante, I am looking for a new vendor. I used to buy > from MAC > before, I think I am going back to them. They actually used to give > me a > better price, RIP-It offered me the Softcare contract, but will not > support > my version of software, so it is useless. > > > Richard Moffat > > Sir Speedy > 244 S.W. 6th Street