From sos at olympus.net Tue Jul 1 11:13:15 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Jul 1 11:13:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Job Tracking and Estimating Software References: <993388.4807.qm@web38307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0d2801c8db8c$fc42cdc0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> the messages aren't a spoof, our book keeper thought this was the forum Dan was trying to get rid of, it was a mistake, hes in London so were taking over his job and thought this looked like junk mail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Gelletly" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Job Tracking and Estimating Software ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I would wager that Dan's email address is being spoofed, although the messages from the spoofer appear genuine (request for removal from the list). Seems very strange that you would spoof an email and bitch about messages. I'm not "geeky" enough to fully understand this. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Dan Huntingford To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 7:09:35 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Job Tracking and Estimating Software ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** please stop sending me emails, i asked once already ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Pearson" To: "printowners printweb.org" Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Job Tracking and Estimating Software > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> This guy is harvesting our emails. (Alan Smith) > > Cora, > > We haven't heard from him and we're on both forums.... > > Eric Pearson > President/C.E.O. > > ------------ > > TechnaPrint, Inc. > 909 Garfield Street > Eugene, OR 97402-2706 > (541) 344-4062 > (541) 344-1765 Fax > > ep101@technaprint.com > www.technaprint.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Jul 1 11:47:32 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Jul 1 11:47:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Gradient ? Message-ID: <8CAA9A8E9002B62-15C4-1656@webmail-md18.sysops.aol.com> Anyone have a clue why we would have shadows in the background of a gradient used in Photoshop? When we print gradients on a larger scale 24" or better. We can see the layers of gradients & understand that it's enlarged by 300 % or more, but on a smaller scale it just doesn't make sense. Thanks in advance. Tommy Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Wed Jul 2 10:17:45 2008 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Wed Jul 2 10:18:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Medical Insurance Forms References: <8CAA9A8E9002B62-15C4-1656@webmail-md18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <0B2C2F70D95C4415B66D55A809668C59@Nancy> We have never provided Medical forms for our clients. Who, other than Wilmer, can we get the forms from. Specifically, CMS-1500 TIA Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting From stalprint at charter.net Wed Jul 2 10:26:36 2008 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Wed Jul 2 10:41:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Medical Insurance Forms In-Reply-To: <0B2C2F70D95C4415B66D55A809668C59@Nancy> References: <8CAA9A8E9002B62-15C4-1656@webmail-md18.sysops.aol.com> <0B2C2F70D95C4415B66D55A809668C59@Nancy> Message-ID: <486B901C.7050600@charter.net> Print Xcel 800-767-3743 http://www.printxcel.com/contact-us.html Nancy wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have never provided Medical forms for our clients. Who, other than > Wilmer, can we get the forms from. > Specifically, CMS-1500 > > TIA > > Nancy Middleton > The Printing Place, Inc. > 5878 Cook Road, Suite F > Milford, OH 45150 > nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com > Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax > 877/248-8774 Toll Free > www.theprintingplaceinc.com > we now have web hosting > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From tammie at macombprinter.com Wed Jul 2 11:54:24 2008 From: tammie at macombprinter.com (Tammie at Quick Print & Signs) Date: Wed Jul 2 11:54:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Postal Customer Council In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I just got a letter from our Postmaster about organizing a local Postal Customer Council (PCC). Is anyone involved in this and is it a good idea? Tammie Tammie Speer, owner **************** Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ______________________________ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com/ A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ Or call for a FREE CD full of information. ______________________________ From kathy at mpcny.com Wed Jul 2 12:04:15 2008 From: kathy at mpcny.com (Kathy Henry) Date: Wed Jul 2 12:04:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Postal Customer Council In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <014101c8dc5d$46e2d840$d4a888c0$@com> I just got involved with ours. Lots of information, lots of expertise, and you can see who your competition is. The part I love the most is the information is FREE, compared to the groups out there who want to get you to pay for that. I would go ahead and do it as long as you have someone from the bulk mailing department of your post office involved to facilitate. Also, will give you a great relationship with your post office people, and you can't pay for that! Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower." Steve Jobs 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tammie at Quick Print & Signs Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:54 AM To: Printowners List Subject: [PrintOwners] Postal Customer Council ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I just got a letter from our Postmaster about organizing a local Postal Customer Council (PCC). Is anyone involved in this and is it a good idea? Tammie Tammie Speer, owner **************** Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ______________________________ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com/ A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ Or call for a FREE CD full of information. ______________________________ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1529 - Release Date: 7/1/2008 7:23 PM From james at dsaprint.com Wed Jul 2 12:21:03 2008 From: james at dsaprint.com (Jim Sullivan) Date: Wed Jul 2 12:21:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6X9 Bubble envelopes Message-ID: <20080702162102.4EB39FB98C1@rb.enter.net> Hi I need to know if any one has a vender who can print on 6X9 Bubble envelopes. Thanks Jim Jim Sullivan DSA Printing Inc 18 Alpha Rd Chelmsford MA,01824 Phone 978-256-3900 Fax 978-256-9006 WE GET IT DONE ! www.dsaprint.com From steve at toledoprinter.com Wed Jul 2 12:32:43 2008 From: steve at toledoprinter.com (West Printing) Date: Wed Jul 2 12:32:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Medical Insurance Forms In-Reply-To: <0B2C2F70D95C4415B66D55A809668C59@Nancy> References: <8CAA9A8E9002B62-15C4-1656@webmail-md18.sysops.aol.com> <0B2C2F70D95C4415B66D55A809668C59@Nancy> Message-ID: <000001c8dc61$424118c0$c6c34a40$@com> DFS and Ennis have the CMS-1500 Steve Robison West Printing Co. 327 12th Street, Toledo, OH 43604 Ph. 419.246.0857, steve@toledoprinter.com? **************************************** http://www.ToledoPrinter.Com Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Nancy > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 10:18 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: SPAM: [PrintOwners] Medical Insurance Forms > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have never provided Medical forms for our clients. > Who, other than Wilmer, can we get the forms from. > Specifically, CMS-1500 > > TIA > > Nancy Middleton > The Printing Place, Inc. > 5878 Cook Road, Suite F > Milford, OH 45150 > nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com > Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax > 877/248-8774 Toll Free > www.theprintingplaceinc.com > we now have web hosting > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From char at themasterspress.com Wed Jul 2 13:14:11 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Wed Jul 2 13:14:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Danka Message-ID: <009001c8dc67$131562d0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Do any of you have service with Danka. I know they have had some struggles, and I know things are changing there but as far as any local dealerships, or with their Technology facilities in Florida, being able to trouble shoot on the phone, VDP training and support and overall general service, what is your experience. I would really love to talk to you. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com From craig at newhavenprint.com Wed Jul 2 13:32:45 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Wed Jul 2 13:26:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Danka In-Reply-To: <009001c8dc67$131562d0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <009001c8dc67$131562d0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <486BBBBD.5080500@newhavenprint.com> We have had them servicing our black and white machines (Canon ir8500 and ir7105) and previous. The potential of us purchasing a KM machine in this area went way down when I found out they'd be servicing them. There is no comparison between the color service (Xerox) and our black and white service (Danka). We always tried to have two vendors to play against each other when it came time for negotiating, but I think we'll switch to Xerox the next go round. Danka can usually figure out how to make a copy off the glass, but when you're dealing with rips - not so much. Craig Dellinger President New Haven Print & Copy Fort Wayne, Indiana USA Charlene Sims wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Do any of you have service with Danka. I know they have had some struggles, > and I know things are changing there but as far as any local dealerships, or > with their Technology facilities in Florida, being able to trouble shoot on > the phone, VDP training and support and overall general service, what is > your experience. I would really love to talk to you. > > ch > > > > Charlene Sims > > President > > The Master's Press, Inc. > > 14550 Midway Road > > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > > www.TheMastersPress.com > > char@themasterspress.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > From melissa at kwiksolutions.com Wed Jul 2 14:03:34 2008 From: melissa at kwiksolutions.com (Melissa Uber) Date: Wed Jul 2 14:03:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] pdf to drawing program In-Reply-To: <009001c8dc67$131562d0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <005301c8dc6d$f26b1870$3e00000a@Melissa> We have a client with multiple pdf drawings that would like us to convert them to autocad. Does anyone have a source for this? Thanks! Melissa Kwik Solutions...Everything in Print! melissa@kwiksolutions.com Jamestown - 20 W. 3rd St, Jamestown, NY 14701 (716) 483-3227 Warren - 326 Penna Ave W., Warren, PA 16365 (814) 726-5679 From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Jul 2 14:07:10 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Jul 2 14:07:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HP LaserJet Install Problems?!! Message-ID: I am frustrated beyond words and almost embarrassed to even be asking for help on this. I have installed many, MANY printers -- they are not networked, they are very simple workstation HP LaserJet printers. Never had a problem and it takes more time to unpack and setup than it does to install print drivers and get the unit working.....UNTIL NOW! I've got 2 new HP LaserJet P1005 printers and trying to install on Mac's -- MacBook Pro/Leopard/10.5.2 and Mini Mac with same operating system. Printers show up, they are set as default but we cannot print from InDesign or Acrobat.....It is NOT the printer....WHAT is it??? Tried everything and close to getting out a hammer! Frustrating and embarrassing that I am having so much trouble with something that used to be sooooo incredibly simple. AND, I've got 4 other printers, similar models installed and I hook up to my macbook pro...one HP LaserJet at home 1012, one 1012 at my office.....all USB ...just plug in and print -- except at this location with the new P1005!!!!!! HELP! Robin p.s. YES -- downloaded and installed most current from HP.com Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 Wright Printing Company 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From stalprint at charter.net Wed Jul 2 14:12:15 2008 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Wed Jul 2 14:12:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6X9 Bubble envelopes In-Reply-To: <20080702162102.4EB39FB98C1@rb.enter.net> References: <20080702162102.4EB39FB98C1@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <486BC4FF.5040802@charter.net> One of my customers makes them http://www.sealedair.com/products/protective/protmail/custom_printing.html Jim Sullivan wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi I need to know if any one has a vender who can print on 6X9 Bubble >envelopes. Thanks Jim > > > >Jim Sullivan > >DSA Printing Inc > >18 Alpha Rd > >Chelmsford MA,01824 > >Phone 978-256-3900 > >Fax 978-256-9006 > >WE GET IT DONE ! > > www.dsaprint.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From gamble at choiceonemail.com Wed Jul 2 14:15:47 2008 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Wed Jul 2 14:15:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HP LaserJet Install Problems?!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007c01c8dc6f$a7329610$0201a8c0@RICK> Robin, Check and see if in your 2 programs you have to choose your printer to print too. I know since I have 5 stand alone printers I can choose on my system I drive the girls in here nuts cause it is always me who does not return the program to the default printer. HTH Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:07 PM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] HP LaserJet Install Problems?!! ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am frustrated beyond words and almost embarrassed to even be asking for help on this. I have installed many, MANY printers -- they are not networked, they are very simple workstation HP LaserJet printers. Never had a problem and it takes more time to unpack and setup than it does to install print drivers and get the unit working.....UNTIL NOW! I've got 2 new HP LaserJet P1005 printers and trying to install on Mac's -- MacBook Pro/Leopard/10.5.2 and Mini Mac with same operating system. Printers show up, they are set as default but we cannot print from InDesign or Acrobat.....It is NOT the printer....WHAT is it??? Tried everything and close to getting out a hammer! Frustrating and embarrassing that I am having so much trouble with something that used to be sooooo incredibly simple. AND, I've got 4 other printers, similar models installed and I hook up to my macbook pro...one HP LaserJet at home 1012, one 1012 at my office.....all USB ...just plug in and print -- except at this location with the new P1005!!!!!! HELP! Robin p.s. YES -- downloaded and installed most current from HP.com Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 Wright Printing Company 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dennis.trump at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 14:21:39 2008 From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump) Date: Wed Jul 2 14:21:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Danka In-Reply-To: <009001c8dc67$131562d0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <009001c8dc67$131562d0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <41aa6a080807021121pc86dfd5n95ba78137f479c57@mail.gmail.com> > Do any of you have service with Danka. I know they have had some > struggles, > and I know things are changing there but as far as any local dealerships, > or > with their Technology facilities in Florida, being able to trouble shoot on > the phone, VDP training and support and overall general service, what is > your experience. I would really love to talk to you. > Charlene, We have Danka currently servicing our Canon. KM just announced they have completed the acquisition of Danka. I think this will enhance Danka's current level of service. I've pasted a copy of the news release dated June 27th below. Feel free to give me a call if you want to discuss. -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 *Ramsey, N.J. - June 27, 2008 -* Konica Minolta Business Solutions U.S.A., Inc. (Konica Minolta ), a leading provider of advanced imaging and networking technologies for the desktop to the print shop, today announced it has completed its acquisition of Danka Office Imaging Company (Danka), one of the largest independent suppliers of office imaging equipment, software, support, and related services and supplies in the United States. Under the terms of the $240 Million agreement, the former Danka group will be known officially as Konica Minolta Danka Imaging, and will begin immediately to market Konica Minolta's award-winning lines of office systems , production print systems , network printers, and application solutions . As part of this strategic acquisition, Konica Minolta Danka Imaging will operate as a wholly owned subsidiary of Konica Minolta, and will maintain its current offices in St. Petersburg, Florida. Ikuo (Indiana) Nakagawa, the current Executive Vice President of Corporate Planning at Konica Minolta Business Solutions U.S.A., will lead the new operation as Chairman and CEO. The current president of Danka Office Imaging, Bill Troxil will remain with the organization as President and COO, and will report directly to Mr. Nakagawa. "Konica Minolta's acquisition of Danka Office Imaging Company influences and alters the competitive landscape, putting us in a position of significant strength in the highly strategic color and production print markets," said Jun Haraguchi, President and CEO, Konica Minolta Business Solutions U.S.A., Inc. "Konica Minolta Danka Imaging allows us to fulfill a key piece of our overarching growth strategy with our independent dealers and branch network, and we believe the combined strength of the new organization will be beneficial to all of our customers." "While Konica Minolta benefits from Danka's strength in technical service and its customer base, Danka benefits from Konica Minolta's experience integrating companies and access to strong product technology. This deal is also very timely for Konica Minolta given the industry's direction to build or acquire direct customer channels", said Ang?le Boyd, GVP/GM, Imaging/Output Solutions & SMB Markets. From paula at curryprint.com Wed Jul 2 14:34:23 2008 From: paula at curryprint.com (Paula Smith) Date: Wed Jul 2 14:35:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Danka In-Reply-To: <486BBBBD.5080500@newhavenprint.com> References: <009001c8dc67$131562d0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <486BBBBD.5080500@newhavenprint.com> Message-ID: <029b01c8dc72$40efd0e0$9701a8c0@curry.local> As we have all discussed, service is LOCAL. No matter what company is in your area, be they Xerox, Danka, KMBS, IKON, etc, the KEY is who they employee to service the machines. And even that can change from day to day. In my experience, it is a crap shoot. We used to love Danka's service on a couple of small iR7200s, so much so that we went with Danka when we recently upgraded to the very similar iR7086s. Big mistake! Our favorite technicians had not been trained on the 7086s (my bad for assuming they would be, since the machines were so similar), and the new techs suck the life out of me with every service call. So Danka went from being the hero to the goat in the space of a week. Everyone seems to love Xerox, but my experience has been painful at best and actionable at worst. I have hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment coming off lease this year (thank god) and I am counting the minutes until I will never have to think the X word again in my life. KMBS has been great so far, with our 6500, 451 and 750, and I have been very satisfied, but if all my techs suddenly migrated to IKON, I'd probably have to reconsider using KMBS if I didn't like the new guys. Just like in our own printing companies, having a consistent, high quality employee base and lack of turnover can and will create loyal customers. YMMV Paula Smith Curry Printing & Copy Center 314 North Charles Street Baltimore, Maryland 21201 410.685.2679 410.685.1018 fax www.curryprint.com paula@curryprint.com "IMPOSSIBLE DEADLINES MET" > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Craig Dellinger > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 1:33 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Danka > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have had them servicing our black and white machines (Canon ir8500 > and ir7105) and previous. The potential of us purchasing a KM machine > in this area went way down when I found out they'd be servicing them. > There is no comparison between the color service (Xerox) and our black > and white service (Danka). We always tried to have two vendors to play > against each other when it came time for negotiating, but I think we'll > switch to Xerox the next go round. Danka can usually figure out how to > make a copy off the glass, but when you're dealing with rips - not so > much. > > Craig Dellinger > President > New Haven Print & Copy > Fort Wayne, Indiana USA > > > > Charlene Sims wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Do any of you have service with Danka. I know they have had some > struggles, > > and I know things are changing there but as far as any local > dealerships, or > > with their Technology facilities in Florida, being able to trouble shoot > on > > the phone, VDP training and support and overall general service, what is > > your experience. I would really love to talk to you. > > > > ch > > > > > > > > Charlene Sims > > > > President > > > > The Master's Press, Inc. > > > > 14550 Midway Road > > > > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > > > > > > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > > > > www.TheMastersPress.com > > > > char@themasterspress.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 2 14:43:41 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Wed Jul 2 14:43:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] More FREE Graphic Design In-Reply-To: <010101c8db29$7fac00a0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <010101c8db29$7fac00a0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <06380022-740D-42B8-88C0-6E2C1DC30DA4@bellsouth.net> I quoted 500 4/4 brochures for a regular customer. Our price was a little higher than an internet printer, BUT the internet printer told her they would give her Free Graphic Design of her brochure. She was also impressed that when she begin to click on the website that a person she could "live chat" with came online immediately to help her. Long story short, we are slow at the moment so I matched the price and threw in the Graphic Design. We'll make a profit, but will make more on reprints. The website is www.printingblue.com if anyone wants to check it out.... Below is a copy of our "live chat." Tracy: Hi and welcome to printingblue.coms LIVE chat support. This is Tracy here to assist you with your printing requirements. Tracy: Please ask if You need any assistance! (ABOUT THIS TIME I CLICKED ON ENVELOPE PRINTING) Tracy: looking for envelope printing? Tracy: may i assist you with that? You: Thanks. Just looking around. Heard about you from a friend. Tracy: i am here LIVE to assist oyu Tracy: no problem.. Tracy: I am on hold.. Tracy: If you need any assistance please feel free to ask You: I was told that if I did a brochure, the graphic design is free. Is that right? Tracy: yes absolutely right Tracy: how may i assist you regarding FREE design service? You: Not sure yet. I would have about 10 photos to scan and place. I would also like a background of a mountain scene. There will be quite a lot of words and print. Is there a limit? Tracy: are you there? Tracy: no limit.. Tracy: We Offer Free Graphic Design (with unlimited Design Revisions), Free Shipping, Free lamination & concessions on all Repeat Orders! You: OK, let me talk to my non-profit group and I'll come back in the future. We are months away from putting this together... Thanks for your help Tracy: May i have your name and email please? Every day is an adventure! Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 From printian at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 14:56:55 2008 From: printian at gmail.com (Ian Franks) Date: Wed Jul 2 14:57:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] pdf to drawing program In-Reply-To: <005301c8dc6d$f26b1870$3e00000a@Melissa> References: <009001c8dc67$131562d0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <005301c8dc6d$f26b1870$3e00000a@Melissa> Message-ID: Melissa www.zamzar.com may be able to do this -- Regards Ian Franks Print Image 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo Johannesburg, South Africa Ph 011 447 3133 Fax 011 447 0642 sales@printimage.co.za www.printimage.co.za 2008/7/2 Melissa Uber : > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have a client with multiple pdf drawings that would like us to convert > them to autocad. Does anyone have a source for this? > > Thanks! > Melissa > > > Kwik Solutions...Everything in Print! > melissa@kwiksolutions.com > > Jamestown - 20 W. 3rd St, Jamestown, NY 14701 > (716) 483-3227 > Warren - 326 Penna Ave W., Warren, PA 16365 > (814) 726-5679 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Wed Jul 2 15:05:27 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Wed Jul 2 15:06:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Heidelberg PrintMaster 46-2 image slipping In-Reply-To: <20080702183505.660ACFB9D75@rb.enter.net> References: <20080702183505.660ACFB9D75@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: A pressman reports that after 200 sheets or so of tight registration press sheets, the satellite head image slips down the sheet and away from the gripping edge. He stops the one-year-old press and makes no adjustments. When press is restarted, the image has returned to the initial, correct and registered position. Heidelberg says we will be charged flat fee of $135.00 for telephone support, if problem cannot be fixed over the telephone, then the $135.00 charge will be deducted from a Heidelberg service visit. 1) Does anybody have a suggested remedy? 2) Does any other manufacturer charge customers $135.00 just to ask questions? Grrrr ..... The rarely used telephone support was one reason for purchasing from Heidelberg. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From steve at toledoprinter.com Wed Jul 2 15:07:46 2008 From: steve at toledoprinter.com (West Printing) Date: Wed Jul 2 15:07:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] pdf to drawing program In-Reply-To: <005301c8dc6d$f26b1870$3e00000a@Melissa> References: <009001c8dc67$131562d0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <005301c8dc6d$f26b1870$3e00000a@Melissa> Message-ID: <000301c8dc76$ec04fa60$c40eef20$@com> You can open the pdfs in Illustrator and export as AutoCAD (DWG) files. I don't have an AutoCAD application so I couldn't verify the results. I will give the conversion a shot for you if none of the list gurus step up. Steve Robison West Printing Co. 327 12th Street, Toledo, OH 43604 Ph. 419.246.0857, steve@toledoprinter.com? **************************************** http://www.ToledoPrinter.Com Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Melissa Uber > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:04 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] pdf to drawing program > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have a client with multiple pdf drawings that would like us to > convert > them to autocad. Does anyone have a source for this? > > Thanks! > Melissa > > > Kwik Solutions...Everything in Print! > melissa@kwiksolutions.com > > Jamestown - 20 W. 3rd St, Jamestown, NY 14701 > (716) 483-3227 > Warren - 326 Penna Ave W., Warren, PA 16365 > (814) 726-5679 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bherion at bucksdigital.com Wed Jul 2 15:48:35 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Wed Jul 2 15:48:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: pdf to drawing program In-Reply-To: <20080702183505.C5ABBFB9D77@rb.enter.net> References: <20080702183505.C5ABBFB9D77@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080702154554.033c84e0@bucksdigital.com> Melissa, You might look at these results from Google. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=pdf+to+autocad Price the job to pay for the program, then you have another service to offer. At 02:35 PM 7/2/2008, you wrote: >We have a client with multiple pdf drawings that would like us to convert >them to autocad. Does anyone have a source for this? > >Thanks! >Melissa > > >Kwik Solutions...Everything in Print! >melissa@kwiksolutions.com > >Jamestown - 20 W. 3rd St, Jamestown, NY 14701 > (716) 483-3227 >Warren - 326 Penna Ave W., Warren, PA 16365 > (814) 726-5679 Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Wed Jul 2 15:51:04 2008 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Wed Jul 2 15:51:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Medical Insurance Forms References: <8CAA9A8E9002B62-15C4-1656@webmail-md18.sysops.aol.com><0B2C2F70D95C4415B66D55A809668C59@Nancy> <000001c8dc61$424118c0$c6c34a40$@com> Message-ID: <589739F98DA1484BB9505F13D97D3E4E@Nancy> Thanks Steve & Mark, I have the pricing from Ennis, never liked using DFS. I will check out PrintXcel Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "West Printing" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:32 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Medical Insurance Forms ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** DFS and Ennis have the CMS-1500 Steve Robison West Printing Co. 327 12th Street, Toledo, OH 43604 Ph. 419.246.0857, steve@toledoprinter.com **************************************** http://www.ToledoPrinter.Com Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Nancy > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 10:18 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: SPAM: [PrintOwners] Medical Insurance Forms > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have never provided Medical forms for our clients. > Who, other than Wilmer, can we get the forms from. > Specifically, CMS-1500 > > TIA > > Nancy Middleton > The Printing Place, Inc. > 5878 Cook Road, Suite F > Milford, OH 45150 > nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com > Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax > 877/248-8774 Toll Free > www.theprintingplaceinc.com > we now have web hosting > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From steve at toledoprinter.com Wed Jul 2 16:24:35 2008 From: steve at toledoprinter.com (West Printing) Date: Wed Jul 2 16:24:27 2008 Subject: SPAM: Re: [PrintOwners] Medical Insurance Forms In-Reply-To: <589739F98DA1484BB9505F13D97D3E4E@Nancy> References: <8CAA9A8E9002B62-15C4-1656@webmail-md18.sysops.aol.com><0B2C2F70D95C4415B66D55A809668C59@Nancy> <000001c8dc61$424118c0$c6c34a40$@com> <589739F98DA1484BB9505F13D97D3E4E@Nancy> Message-ID: <000401c8dc81$a8b73510$fa259f30$@com> I just remembered others. Broker Forms (http://www.brokerforms.com )in Grand Rapids, MI does these. Ph 888-880-0463. Only bought checks from them, but they have the CMS-1500 in the catalog. Nice people with great service. You might also try http://www.wardkraft.com they came to Toledo and wowed us with their forms capability. Not used them yet, but if I ever get stumped for a custom form, especially medical forms, they would be the first I would go to. Steve Robison West Printing Co. 327 12th Street, Toledo, OH 43604 Ph. 419.246.0857, steve@toledoprinter.com? **************************************** http://www.ToledoPrinter.Com Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Nancy > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 3:51 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: SPAM: Re: [PrintOwners] Medical Insurance Forms > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thanks Steve & Mark, > I have the pricing from Ennis, never liked using DFS. > I will check out PrintXcel > > Nancy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "West Printing" > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:32 PM > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Medical Insurance Forms > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > DFS and Ennis have the CMS-1500 > > Steve Robison > West Printing Co. > 327 12th Street, Toledo, OH 43604 > Ph. 419.246.0857, steve@toledoprinter.com > **************************************** > http://www.ToledoPrinter.Com > Authorized Adobe Service Provider > Microsoft Publisher Service Provider > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Nancy > > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 10:18 AM > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: SPAM: [PrintOwners] Medical Insurance Forms > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > We have never provided Medical forms for our clients. > > Who, other than Wilmer, can we get the forms from. > > Specifically, CMS-1500 > > > > TIA > > > > Nancy Middleton > > The Printing Place, Inc. > > 5878 Cook Road, Suite F > > Milford, OH 45150 > > nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com > > Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax > > 877/248-8774 Toll Free > > www.theprintingplaceinc.com > > we now have web hosting > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cahill at bizprint.com Wed Jul 2 17:25:03 2008 From: cahill at bizprint.com (Cahill@bizprint.com) Date: Wed Jul 2 17:25:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Postal Customer Council In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes its a great idea. We attend along with the other mailers in town. It is a great opportunity to get to know the people at the bulk mail entry unit. You also get to meet the competition :) -- Cahill Jones BizPrint Boise, Idaho > From: Tammie at Quick Print & Signs > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 10:54:24 -0500 > To: Printowners List > Subject: [PrintOwners] Postal Customer Council > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I just got a letter from our Postmaster about organizing a local Postal > Customer Council (PCC). > > Is anyone involved in this and is it a good idea? > > Tammie > > > Tammie Speer, owner > **************** > Tammie@MacombPrinter.com > ______________________________ > QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS > 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 > http://www.macombprinter.com/ > > A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! > Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? > http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ > Or call for a FREE CD full of information. > ______________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From keli at parchmentpress.net Wed Jul 2 17:53:55 2008 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Wed Jul 2 17:54:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Copiers and accuracy Message-ID: <486BF8F3.6000508@parchmentpress.net> Hello.. I have a Xerox Workcentre 7655 - it is like the Docucolor 240 but with an embedded rip. My issue is color consistency... It is all over the place... In a run of 50 covers there are about 5 different colors... faces in a recent job were too red... I calibrated and that helped but it does not last long... What machines in this level - High Office or low end production would be a better match? thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed Jul 2 18:12:27 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed Jul 2 18:12:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] More FREE Graphic Design In-Reply-To: References: <010101c8db29$7fac00a0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <06380022-740D-42B8-88C0-6E2C1DC30DA4@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <8CAAAA7D92D98D9-17BC-1FDB@WEBMAIL-MA18.sysops.aol.com> If you give in now you will always give in. One of my regular accounts for the last 5 years, originally came in with a flyer from 48hour something dotcom. Back then I wasn't doing printing in-house, I was out sourcing at the time my partner. Guess what. I sold him strickly on confidence that what I can do for him will far exceed anything they can provide. On average, I was 30-40% higher than what that price list was showing. The only thing I gave to him at no extra cost was that he was able to call me in advance for an appointment to set-up his next project. Try to even speak to one of those dotcom's for good service. By the way client spends close to $1200 a month and pays as he goes. There are plenty of quality clients out there. I sell on price & I'm stern on it. "MY PRICE" Don't Settle for less. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg Weinfurter To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 5:29 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] More FREE Graphic Design ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? It reminds me of an old Saturday Night Live comic commercial. It goes something like this:? ? At the Dollar Bank, we can make change for your dollar.? ? If you want four quarters, no problem. 5 dimes and ten nickels, no problem, or even if you want one hundred pennies, we can do it for you. How do we do it? Volume!? ? --? ? unbelievable.? ? Greg? ? ? On Jul 2, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Ben Travis wrote:? ? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > I quoted 500 4/4 brochures for a regular customer. Our price was a > little higher than an internet printer, BUT the internet printer > told her they would give her Free Graphic Design of her brochure.? >? > She was also impressed that when she begin to click on the website > that a person she could "live chat" with came online immediately to > help her.? >? > Long story short, we are slow at the moment so I matched the price > and threw in the Graphic Design. We'll make a profit, but will make > more on reprints.? >? > The website is www.printingblue.com if anyone wants to check it > out....? >? > Below is a copy of our "live chat."? >? > Tracy: Hi and welcome to printingblue.coms LIVE chat support. This > is Tracy here to assist you with your printing requirements.? >? > Tracy: Please ask if You need any assistance! (ABOUT THIS TIME I > CLICKED ON ENVELOPE PRINTING)? > Tracy: looking for envelope printing?? > Tracy: may i assist you with that?? > You: Thanks. Just looking around. Heard about you from a friend.? > Tracy: i am here LIVE to assist oyu? > Tracy: no problem..? > Tracy: I am on hold..? > Tracy: If you need any assistance please feel free to ask? > You: I was told that if I did a brochure, the graphic design is > free. Is that right?? > Tracy: yes absolutely right? > Tracy: how may i assist you regarding FREE design service?? > You: Not sure yet. I would have about 10 photos to scan and place. I > would also like a background of a mountain scene. There will be > quite a lot of words and print. Is there a limit?? > Tracy: are you there?? > Tracy: no limit..? > Tracy: We Offer Free Graphic Design (with unlimited Design > Revisions), Free Shipping, Free lamination & concessions on all > Repeat Orders!? > You: OK, let me talk to my non-profit group and I'll come back in > the future. We are months away from putting this together... Thanks > for your help? > Tracy: May i have your name and email please?? >? > Every day is an adventure!? >? > Ben Travis? >? > Copy Express? > 4004-A South Blvd.? > Charlotte, NC 20209? > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net? > 704-527-1750? >? >? >? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? > --> This message has been scanned for viruses and? > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is? > believed to be clean.? ? ? Press Express? 1869 N. Stevens St.? Rhinelander, WI 54501? Phone 715-362-2828? Fax 715-369-2828? info@pressexpress.org? ? Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider? Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Jul 2 19:00:08 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Jul 2 19:00:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HP LaserJet Install Problems?!! Message-ID: <200807021800904.SM02040@[192.168.2.135]> thanks for the thought Rick but we've already done that. Usually I forget that I am at home and try to print to the printer at work....and on and on so I am pretty used to checking this -- especially after forgetting the first time! :)) It has to be something very silly! One thing I haven't tried is using the print driver from one of the older printers --might work? Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 Wright Printing Company 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From newtone at cox.net Wed Jul 2 19:13:01 2008 From: newtone at cox.net (Newtone) Date: Wed Jul 2 19:13:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Medical Insurance Forms In-Reply-To: <486B901C.7050600@charter.net> Message-ID: Try Ennis. Bob Newton Town & Country Printers, Inc. Santee, CA -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Mark Stallings Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:27 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Medical Insurance Forms ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Print Xcel 800-767-3743 http://www.printxcel.com/contact-us.html Nancy wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have never provided Medical forms for our clients. Who, other than > Wilmer, can we get the forms from. > Specifically, CMS-1500 > > TIA > > Nancy Middleton > The Printing Place, Inc. > 5878 Cook Road, Suite F > Milford, OH 45150 > nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com > Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax > 877/248-8774 Toll Free > www.theprintingplaceinc.com > we now have web hosting > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1529 - Release Date: 7/1/2008 7:23 PM From jim at visaliaidea.com Wed Jul 2 19:41:08 2008 From: jim at visaliaidea.com (James Laber) Date: Wed Jul 2 19:41:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: More FREE Graphic Design In-Reply-To: <20080702202431.3390CFBA07C@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <035201c8dc9d$1a634a30$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local> Ben, I went to the site just to kick the tires. What a pain! My chatty Cathy person fell apart when I wanted to know how to see the price of 5000 full bleed flyers. Of course, she wanted my name and email address. The whole time I was on, my system blocked 67 pop ups and you feel as if the Gestapo is looking over your shoulder. Nice looking site but its worse then being chased through a used car lot the whole time you are on the site. Jim Laber Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc 1921 E Main St Visalia CA 93292 559-733-4149 X118 Fax: 559-636-3690 jim@visaliaidea.com http://www.visaliaidea.com/ Member Of: Visalia Chamber of Commerce Tulare Chamber of Commerce Exeter Chamber of Commerce NAQP-National Association of Quick Printers ASI-Advertising Specialty Institute Message: 1 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 14:43:41 -0400 From: Ben Travis Subject: [PrintOwners] More FREE Graphic Design To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Message-ID: <06380022-740D-42B8-88C0-6E2C1DC30DA4@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes I quoted 500 4/4 brochures for a regular customer. Our price was a little higher than an internet printer, BUT the internet printer told her they would give her Free Graphic Design of her brochure. She was also impressed that when she begin to click on the website that a person she could "live chat" with came online immediately to help her. Long story short, we are slow at the moment so I matched the price and threw in the Graphic Design. We'll make a profit, but will make more on reprints. The website is www.printingblue.com if anyone wants to check it out.... Below is a copy of our "live chat." Tracy: Hi and welcome to printingblue.coms LIVE chat support. This is Tracy here to assist you with your printing requirements. Tracy: Please ask if You need any assistance! (ABOUT THIS TIME I CLICKED ON ENVELOPE PRINTING) Tracy: looking for envelope printing? Tracy: may i assist you with that? You: Thanks. Just looking around. Heard about you from a friend. Tracy: i am here LIVE to assist oyu Tracy: no problem.. Tracy: I am on hold.. Tracy: If you need any assistance please feel free to ask You: I was told that if I did a brochure, the graphic design is free. Is that right? Tracy: yes absolutely right Tracy: how may i assist you regarding FREE design service? You: Not sure yet. I would have about 10 photos to scan and place. I would also like a background of a mountain scene. There will be quite a lot of words and print. Is there a limit? Tracy: are you there? Tracy: no limit.. Tracy: We Offer Free Graphic Design (with unlimited Design Revisions), Free Shipping, Free lamination & concessions on all Repeat Orders! You: OK, let me talk to my non-profit group and I'll come back in the future. We are months away from putting this together... Thanks for your help Tracy: May i have your name and email please? Every day is an adventure! Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 From bill at werkheiser.com Wed Jul 2 20:24:46 2008 From: bill at werkheiser.com (Bill Werkheiser) Date: Wed Jul 2 20:24:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Postal Customer Council In-Reply-To: <014101c8dc5d$46e2d840$d4a888c0$@com> References: <014101c8dc5d$46e2d840$d4a888c0$@com> Message-ID: <486C1C4E.5090907@werkheiser.com> Yes, we serve on it. Great chance to interact with the major mailing competition as well as larger volume mailers. Bill Werkheiser http://WeLoveToPrint.com SE PrinTech / Coastal Mailing Services P O Box 27 - 315 E Banks St. Glennville, GA 30427 (912) 654-3610 phone (912) 654-3611 fax Kathy Henry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I just got involved with ours. Lots of information, lots of expertise, and you can see who your competition is. The part I love the most is the information is FREE, compared to the groups out there who want to get you to pay for that. I would go ahead and do it as long as you have someone from the bulk mailing department of your post office involved to facilitate. Also, will give you a great relationship with your post office people, and you can't pay for that! > > Kathleen Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing > kathy@mpcny.com > > > "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower." > Steve Jobs > > > 125 East First Street > PO Box 815 > Oswego, NY 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 (fax) > (315) 532-0943 (cell) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tammie at Quick Print & Signs > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:54 AM > To: Printowners List > Subject: [PrintOwners] Postal Customer Council > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I just got a letter from our Postmaster about organizing a local Postal > Customer Council (PCC). > > Is anyone involved in this and is it a good idea? > > Tammie > > > Tammie Speer, owner > **************** > Tammie@MacombPrinter.com > ______________________________ > QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS > 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 > http://www.macombprinter.com/ > > A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! > Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? > http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ > Or call for a FREE CD full of information. > ______________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1529 - Release Date: 7/1/2008 7:23 PM > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3237 (20080702) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Jul 2 20:45:35 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Jul 2 20:46:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] LPI, DPI & Resolution In-Reply-To: <4CF6254A-6E7E-4AC1-9EBD-84C0803476E0@colorcraftprinting.co m> References: <4CF6254A-6E7E-4AC1-9EBD-84C0803476E0@colorcraftprinting.com> Message-ID: <200807030046.m630kW9c068226@i2bnetworks.com> One of my all time favorites, courtesy of the Wayback Machine: http://tinyurl.com/3g32uc S. At 05:38 PM 6/30/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We've been getting a lot of low res files lately. A few jobs have >been ok by running 150 line screens. > >I think sometimes we make the customer send us a new file when we >don't really need to. > >I was wondering if anyone has any guidelines, formulas or could point >me to some reading material that would help explain the relationship >between lpi, dpi and the platesetter resolution. > >thanks, >Joe > >Joe Nutile >ColorCraft Printing >805-461-3742 >http:www.colorcraftprinting.com > >Commercial and Digital Printing > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3232 (20080701) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From tradeprint at frontiernet.net Wed Jul 2 21:37:05 2008 From: tradeprint at frontiernet.net (Robert Cashimere) Date: Wed Jul 2 21:37:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Heidelberg PrintMaster 46-2 image slipping In-Reply-To: References: <20080702183505.660ACFB9D75@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <486C2D41.10900@frontiernet.net> > Simon Sheers wrote: > A pressman reports that after 200 sheets or so of tight registration > press sheets, > the satellite head image slips down the sheet and away from the > gripping edge. Simon, Sounds very much like what H. called the "Rubber band Effect" when we first tried their Cristala 8mil polyester plates. There was no final solution. Their special backing on the Cristala, ink or glue stick on the cylinder, lightest possible roller pressures - - they all helped, but did not solve the problem. 1. The plates will actually improve their register after 200 sheets - or at least that is what H. claimed in 2001. 2. You will not see this happen with metal plates, 3. Our solution was to switch to 7mil paper plates. They don't exhibit this "Rubber band Effect", stretch only a tiny bit, and cost less than polyester. Just remember to adjust your packing. The only downside of paper seems to be that they fail to eject 50% of the time - a minor hassle, at most. 4. You can also check form roller pressures as that can magnify the problem if the stripes are wider than the min. spec. (creating more drag). Hope this helps. As to the phone support charges: Yes, we loved it when it was free - saved us a boat load of money. Our first charged call cost us $55 for 15 min. of help with our Quicksetter. But it solved the problem and saved a service call which would have cost $400 for the first hour. And now they're going to start charging freight for shipping supplies and parts. How rude! We plan to stock up in July. Bob TradePrint Rochester, NY From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 2 22:40:52 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Wed Jul 2 22:40:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] More FREE Graphic Design In-Reply-To: <8CAAAA7D92D98D9-17BC-1FDB@WEBMAIL-MA18.sysops.aol.com> References: <010101c8db29$7fac00a0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <06380022-740D-42B8-88C0-6E2C1DC30DA4@bellsouth.net> <8CAAAA7D92D98D9-17BC-1FDB@WEBMAIL-MA18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7FEB1F3F-141D-4E3E-B763-A4D9E7FAFE66@bellsouth.net> Tommy, Sometimes it is not a matter of searching for more quality customers. I have plenty that I get our regular price for. But in this case, the job was lost. So I matched the price of $320. Our cost will be about $60 to produce it. So $260 towards the bottom line is worth the extra effort.... Now if we were operating a full capacity at the moment, I probably would have let it slide... I do hear you though.... and get our price most of the time... Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Jul 2, 2008, at 6:12 PM, Tommy Melendez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > If you give in now you will always give in. One of my regular > accounts for the last 5 years, originally came in with a flyer from > 48hour something dotcom. Back then I wasn't doing printing in-house, > I was out sourcing at the time my partner. Guess what. I sold him > strickly on confidence that what I can do for him will far exceed > anything they can provide. On average, I was 30-40% higher than what > that price list was showing. The only thing I gave to him at no > extra cost was that he was able to call me in advance for an > appointment to set-up his next project. Try to even speak to one of > those dotcom's for good service. By the way client spends close to > $1200 a month and pays as he goes. There are plenty of quality > clients out there. I sell on price & I'm stern on it. "MY PRICE" > > Don't Settle for less. > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Weinfurter > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Sent: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 5:29 pm > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] More FREE Graphic Design > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > It reminds me of an old Saturday Night Live comic commercial. It > goes something like this: > > At the Dollar Bank, we can make change for your dollar. > > If you want four quarters, no problem. 5 dimes and ten nickels, no > problem, or even if you want one hundred pennies, we can do it for > you. How do we do it? Volume! > > -- > > unbelievable. > > Greg > > > On Jul 2, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Ben Travis wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I quoted 500 4/4 brochures for a regular customer. Our price was a > > little higher than an internet printer, BUT the internet printer > > told her they would give her Free Graphic Design of her brochure. >> >> She was also impressed that when she begin to click on the website > > that a person she could "live chat" with came online immediately to > > help her. >> >> Long story short, we are slow at the moment so I matched the price > > and threw in the Graphic Design. We'll make a profit, but will make > > more on reprints. >> >> The website is www.printingblue.com if anyone wants to check it > > out.... >> >> Below is a copy of our "live chat." >> >> Tracy: Hi and welcome to printingblue.coms LIVE chat support. This > > is Tracy here to assist you with your printing requirements. >> >> Tracy: Please ask if You need any assistance! (ABOUT THIS TIME I > > CLICKED ON ENVELOPE PRINTING) >> Tracy: looking for envelope printing? >> Tracy: may i assist you with that? >> You: Thanks. Just looking around. Heard about you from a friend. >> Tracy: i am here LIVE to assist oyu >> Tracy: no problem.. >> Tracy: I am on hold.. >> Tracy: If you need any assistance please feel free to ask >> You: I was told that if I did a brochure, the graphic design is > > free. Is that right? >> Tracy: yes absolutely right >> Tracy: how may i assist you regarding FREE design service? >> You: Not sure yet. I would have about 10 photos to scan and place. I > > would also like a background of a mountain scene. There will be > > quite a lot of words and print. Is there a limit? >> Tracy: are you there? >> Tracy: no limit.. >> Tracy: We Offer Free Graphic Design (with unlimited Design > > Revisions), Free Shipping, Free lamination & concessions on all > > Repeat Orders! >> You: OK, let me talk to my non-profit group and I'll come back in > > the future. We are months away from putting this together... Thanks > > for your help >> Tracy: May i have your name and email please? >> >> Every day is an adventure! >> >> Ben Travis >> >> Copy Express >> 4004-A South Blvd. >> Charlotte, NC 20209 >> cpyxpres@bellsouth.net >> 704-527-1750 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> --> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. > > > Press Express > 1869 N. Stevens St. > Rhinelander, WI 54501 > Phone 715-362-2828 > Fax 715-369-2828 > info@pressexpress.org > > Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider > Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From Copythatnyc at aol.com Thu Jul 3 00:27:15 2008 From: Copythatnyc at aol.com (Copythatnyc@aol.com) Date: Thu Jul 3 00:27:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] More FREE Graphic Design Message-ID: That is still good. And reprints will recover some of that lost. I just don't believe in the theory of lowering cost when things are slow. That hurts the bottom line even more. In a message dated 7/2/2008 7:42:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cpyxpres@bellsouth.net writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Tommy, Sometimes it is not a matter of searching for more quality customers. I have plenty that I get our regular price for. But in this case, the job was lost. So I matched the price of $320. Our cost will be about $60 to produce it. So $260 towards the bottom line is worth the extra effort.... Now if we were operating a full capacity at the moment, I probably would have let it slide... I do hear you though.... and get our price most of the time... Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Jul 2, 2008, at 6:12 PM, Tommy Melendez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > If you give in now you will always give in. One of my regular > accounts for the last 5 years, originally came in with a flyer from > 48hour something dotcom. Back then I wasn't doing printing in-house, > I was out sourcing at the time my partner. Guess what. I sold him > strickly on confidence that what I can do for him will far exceed > anything they can provide. On average, I was 30-40% higher than what > that price list was showing. The only thing I gave to him at no > extra cost was that he was able to call me in advance for an > appointment to set-up his next project. Try to even speak to one of > those dotcom's for good service. By the way client spends close to > $1200 a month and pays as he goes. There are plenty of quality > clients out there. I sell on price & I'm stern on it. "MY PRICE" > > Don't Settle for less. > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Weinfurter > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Sent: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 5:29 pm > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] More FREE Graphic Design > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > It reminds me of an old Saturday Night Live comic commercial. It > goes something like this: > > At the Dollar Bank, we can make change for your dollar. > > If you want four quarters, no problem. 5 dimes and ten nickels, no > problem, or even if you want one hundred pennies, we can do it for > you. How do we do it? Volume! > > -- > > unbelievable. > > Greg > > > On Jul 2, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Ben Travis wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I quoted 500 4/4 brochures for a regular customer. Our price was a > > little higher than an internet printer, BUT the internet printer > > told her they would give her Free Graphic Design of her brochure. >> >> She was also impressed that when she begin to click on the website > > that a person she could "live chat" with came online immediately to > > help her. >> >> Long story short, we are slow at the moment so I matched the price > > and threw in the Graphic Design. We'll make a profit, but will make > > more on reprints. >> >> The website is www.printingblue.com if anyone wants to check it > > out.... >> >> Below is a copy of our "live chat." >> >> Tracy: Hi and welcome to printingblue.coms LIVE chat support. This > > is Tracy here to assist you with your printing requirements. >> >> Tracy: Please ask if You need any assistance! (ABOUT THIS TIME I > > CLICKED ON ENVELOPE PRINTING) >> Tracy: looking for envelope printing? >> Tracy: may i assist you with that? >> You: Thanks. Just looking around. Heard about you from a friend. >> Tracy: i am here LIVE to assist oyu >> Tracy: no problem.. >> Tracy: I am on hold.. >> Tracy: If you need any assistance please feel free to ask >> You: I was told that if I did a brochure, the graphic design is > > free. Is that right? >> Tracy: yes absolutely right >> Tracy: how may i assist you regarding FREE design service? >> You: Not sure yet. I would have about 10 photos to scan and place. I > > would also like a background of a mountain scene. There will be > > quite a lot of words and print. Is there a limit? >> Tracy: are you there? >> Tracy: no limit.. >> Tracy: We Offer Free Graphic Design (with unlimited Design > > Revisions), Free Shipping, Free lamination & concessions on all > > Repeat Orders! >> You: OK, let me talk to my non-profit group and I'll come back in > > the future. We are months away from putting this together... Thanks > > for your help >> Tracy: May i have your name and email please? >> >> Every day is an adventure! >> >> Ben Travis >> >> Copy Express >> 4004-A South Blvd. >> Charlotte, NC 20209 >> cpyxpres@bellsouth.net >> 704-527-1750 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> --> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. > > > Press Express > 1869 N. Stevens St. > Rhinelander, WI 54501 > Phone 715-362-2828 > Fax 715-369-2828 > info@pressexpress.org > > Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider > Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Thu Jul 3 08:36:11 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Thu Jul 3 08:37:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] LPI, DPI & Resolution In-Reply-To: <200807030046.m630kW9c068226@i2bnetworks.com> References: <4CF6254A-6E7E-4AC1-9EBD-84C0803476E0@colorcraftprinting.com> <200807030046.m630kW9c068226@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: You're supposed to be on vacation in Hawaii. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:46 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] LPI, DPI & Resolution ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** One of my all time favorites, courtesy of the Wayback Machine: http://tinyurl.com/3g32uc S. At 05:38 PM 6/30/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We've been getting a lot of low res files lately. A few jobs have been >ok by running 150 line screens. > >I think sometimes we make the customer send us a new file when we don't >really need to. > >I was wondering if anyone has any guidelines, formulas or could point >me to some reading material that would help explain the relationship >between lpi, dpi and the platesetter resolution. > >thanks, >Joe > >Joe Nutile >ColorCraft Printing >805-461-3742 >http:www.colorcraftprinting.com > >Commercial and Digital Printing > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3232 (20080701) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Thu Jul 3 09:23:00 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Harkins) Date: Thu Jul 3 09:23:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign/PDF Help Message-ID: We have an InDesign file from a customer that refuses to print correctly. We have the native files plus a PDF and are printing to a CPP500 with CREO rip. The customers' graphic designer is also having problems with the file. When she/we print or print to PDF the color of one graphic element changes from green to pink in one area and from purple to blue in another area. We have opened the graphic in Illustrator and it is a spot color with a gradient. No layers or other elements that we can find. We have tried from the Mac and from a PC with the same results. It is obvious something is happening in the printing process whether to our RIP or to PDF. We are not color experts, but we have never encountered something like this. Any ideas? The job, of course, is due today. Thanks so much!!!! Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu Jul 3 09:33:33 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu Jul 3 09:33:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] LPI, DPI & Resolution In-Reply-To: References: <4CF6254A-6E7E-4AC1-9EBD-84C0803476E0@colorcraftprinting.com> <200807030046.m630kW9c068226@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <8CAAB288600512C-920-37BA@webmail-me11.sysops.aol.com> WHo's in Hawaii? Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Lake To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 8:36 am Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] LPI, DPI & Resolution ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** You're supposed to be on vacation in Hawaii. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:46 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] LPI, DPI & Resolution ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** One of my all time favorites, courtesy of the Wayback Machine: http://tinyurl.com/3g32uc S. At 05:38 PM 6/30/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We've been getting a lot of low res files lately. A few jobs have been >ok by running 150 line screens. > >I think sometimes we make the customer send us a new file when we don't >really need to. > >I was wondering if anyone has any guidelines, formulas or could point >me to some reading material that would help explain the relationship >between lpi, dpi and the platesetter resolution. > >thanks, >Joe > >Joe Nutile >ColorCraft Printing >805-461-3742 >http:www.colorcraftprinting.com > >Commercial and Digital Printing > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3232 (20080701) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jdaghir at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 09:34:10 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Thu Jul 3 09:34:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6X9 Bubble envelopes In-Reply-To: <20080702162102.4EB39FB98C1@rb.enter.net> References: <20080702162102.4EB39FB98C1@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <83d5b9620807030634x69af2244leca7264a8311116@mail.gmail.com> I believe Western States Envelopes can do this. http://www.westernstatesenvelope.com/ -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Jim said: > Hi I need to know if any one has a vender who can print on 6X9 Bubble > envelopes. From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu Jul 3 09:40:43 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu Jul 3 09:42:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign/PDF Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAAB29868CC7B8-920-382C@webmail-me11.sysops.aol.com> Hey Cyndy. It's only this particular job that it happens. If you want e-mail me & I'll try it on my machine & see if the same occurs. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Cyndy Harkins To: PrintOwners List Sent: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 9:23 am Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign/PDF Help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have an InDesign file from a customer that refuses to print correctly. We have the native files plus a PDF and are printing to a CPP500 with CREO rip. The customers' graphic designer is also having problems with the file. When she/we print or print to PDF the color of one graphic element changes from green to pink in one area and from purple to blue in another area. We have opened the graphic in Illustrator and it is a spot color with a gradient. No layers or other elements that we can find. We have tried from the Mac and from a PC with the same results. It is obvious something is happening in the printing process whether to our RIP or to PDF. We are not color experts, but we have never encountered something like this. Any ideas? The job, of course, is due today. Thanks so much!!!! Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu Jul 3 09:48:11 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu Jul 3 09:48:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Happy Fourth Message-ID: <8CAAB2A911C4EFE-920-3899@webmail-me11.sysops.aol.com> Want to wish all my friends on these forums a safe & happy 4th. Let's make the next half another successful year. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu Jul 3 09:48:01 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu Jul 3 09:49:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Heidelberg PrintMaster 46-2 image slipping In-Reply-To: <20080703042728.4AC32FBAD2F@rb.enter.net> References: <20080703042728.4AC32FBAD2F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <8C6A5399-1362-4EC6-8D31-E751A12222D5@sheergraphics.com> ..... 2. You will not see this happen with metal plates, ..... We only use metal plates! Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more >> Simon Sheers wrote: >> A pressman reports that after 200 sheets or so of tight >> registration press sheets, >> the satellite head image slips down the sheet and away from the >> gripping edge. > Simon, > > Sounds very much like what H. called the "Rubber band Effect" when we > first tried their Cristala 8mil polyester plates. There was no final > solution. > Their special backing on the Cristala, ink or glue stick on the > cylinder, > lightest possible roller pressures - - they all helped, but did not > solve > the problem. > > 1. The plates will actually improve their register after 200 sheets > - or at > least that is what H. claimed in 2001. > > 2. You will not see this happen with metal plates, > > 3. Our solution was to switch to 7mil paper plates. They don't > exhibit this "Rubber band Effect", stretch only a tiny bit, and > cost less than polyester. Just remember to adjust your packing. > The only downside of paper seems to be that they fail to > eject 50% of the time - a minor hassle, at most. > > 4. You can also check form roller pressures as that can magnify the > problem if the stripes are wider than the min. spec. (creating more > drag). > > Hope this helps. > > > As to the phone support charges: > Yes, we loved it when it was free - saved us a boat load of money. > Our first charged call cost us $55 for 15 min. of help with our > Quicksetter. But it solved the problem and saved a service call which > would have cost $400 for the first hour. > > And now they're going to start charging freight for shipping supplies > and parts. How rude! We plan to stock up in July. > > Bob > > TradePrint > Rochester, NY From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Thu Jul 3 09:54:45 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Thu Jul 3 09:54:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign/PDF Help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What kind of file is the graphic element? If its an .eps, save is an an .ai file and replace the link in Indesign. If its an .ai file, try making it a .PDF. Worst case scenario, open in photoshop and rasterize it. Save that as a tiff and replace it. The last one will definitely work, but won't necessarily hold size and shape as well, so you may have to spend some time placing the new file. Make sure the client proofs the sh*t out of it. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Cyndy Harkins > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:23:00 -0500 > To: PrintOwners List > Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign/PDF Help > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have an InDesign file from a customer that refuses to print correctly. We > have the native files plus a PDF and are printing to a CPP500 with CREO rip. > > The customers' graphic designer is also having problems with the file. When > she/we print or print to PDF the color of one graphic element changes from > green to pink in one area and from purple to blue in another area. We have > opened the graphic in Illustrator and it is a spot color with a gradient. No > layers or other elements that we can find. > > We have tried from the Mac and from a PC with the same results. > > It is obvious something is happening in the printing process whether to our > RIP or to PDF. > > We are not color experts, but we have never encountered something like this. > > Any ideas? The job, of course, is due today. > > Thanks so much!!!! > > Cyndy > -- > Cyndy Wendt Harkins > President > Pioneer Printing, Inc. > 3133 S. 7th., Suite D > Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 > cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com > > 402.483.7575 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From jodib at blackfoot.net Thu Jul 3 09:57:04 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Thu Jul 3 09:57:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] LPI, DPI & Resolution References: <4CF6254A-6E7E-4AC1-9EBD-84C0803476E0@colorcraftprinting.com> <200807030046.m630kW9c068226@i2bnetworks.com> <8CAAB288600512C-920-37BA@webmail-me11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <007c01c8dd14$acbef7e0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> I think Scott C is Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Melendez" To: Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] LPI, DPI & Resolution > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > WHo's in Hawaii? > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Lake > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Sent: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 8:36 am > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] LPI, DPI & Resolution > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > You're supposed to be on vacation in Hawaii. > > > Mark Lake > PIP Printing > 368 Jefferson Street > Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 > 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax > www.pipsturgeonbay.com > Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com > > To send a file to us, please use the link below > http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:46 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] LPI, DPI & Resolution > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > One of my all time favorites, courtesy of the Wayback Machine: > > http://tinyurl.com/3g32uc > > > S. > > > > > > > At 05:38 PM 6/30/2008, you wrote: >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>We've been getting a lot of low res files lately. A few jobs have been >>ok by running 150 line screens. >> >>I think sometimes we make the customer send us a new file when we > don't >>really need to. >> >>I was wondering if anyone has any guidelines, formulas or could point >>me to some reading material that would help explain the relationship >>between lpi, dpi and the platesetter resolution. >> >>thanks, >>Joe >> >>Joe Nutile >>ColorCraft Printing >>805-461-3742 >>http:www.colorcraftprinting.com >> >>Commercial and Digital Printing >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >>__________ NOD32 3232 (20080701) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com >> > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions > Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized > Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database > version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) > Database version: 5.09520 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jodib at blackfoot.net Thu Jul 3 09:59:41 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Thu Jul 3 09:59:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign/PDF Help References: Message-ID: <008501c8dd15$0a95f2b0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> from illustrator, could you save the file as an .eps and then place in Indesign and print from there? I wonder if that would work. I've had problems with files before also....Scott C recently sent a pdf of an article (small manual) called A Designer's Guide to Transparency for Print Output..... I printed a copy but don't have reference to the urll he'd included in his email..... Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyndy Harkins" To: "PrintOwners List" Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 7:23 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign/PDF Help > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have an InDesign file from a customer that refuses to print correctly. > We > have the native files plus a PDF and are printing to a CPP500 with CREO > rip. > > The customers' graphic designer is also having problems with the file. > When > she/we print or print to PDF the color of one graphic element changes from > green to pink in one area and from purple to blue in another area. We have > opened the graphic in Illustrator and it is a spot color with a gradient. > No > layers or other elements that we can find. > > We have tried from the Mac and from a PC with the same results. > > It is obvious something is happening in the printing process whether to > our > RIP or to PDF. > > We are not color experts, but we have never encountered something like > this. > > Any ideas? The job, of course, is due today. > > Thanks so much!!!! > > Cyndy > -- > Cyndy Wendt Harkins > President > Pioneer Printing, Inc. > 3133 S. 7th., Suite D > Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 > cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com > > 402.483.7575 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu Jul 3 10:02:52 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu Jul 3 10:03:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] LPI, DPI & Resolution In-Reply-To: <007c01c8dd14$acbef7e0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> References: <4CF6254A-6E7E-4AC1-9EBD-84C0803476E0@colorcraftprinting.com> <200807030046.m630kW9c068226@i2bnetworks.com> <8CAAB288600512C-920-37BA@webmail-me11.sysops.aol.com> <007c01c8dd14$acbef7e0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Message-ID: <8CAAB2C9EA43448-920-39BF@webmail-me11.sysops.aol.com> No wonder he was hanging tough at Rock Bottom with those Hawaiian shirts. BAchelor pad Scott? ; ) Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Jodi Bowser To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 9:57 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] LPI, DPI & Resolution ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? I think Scott C is? ? Jodi Bowser? Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana? www.pyramidprintingmt.com? jodib@blackfoot.net? Member NAQP #205787? Member Garden City BNI? 406-728-1503? fax 406-728-0505? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Melendez" ? To: ? Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 7:33 AM? Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] LPI, DPI & Resolution? ? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? > > WHo's in Hawaii?? > > > Copy That, Inc.? > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service"? > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue? > Bronx, N.Y. 10465? > 718.892.1859? > 718.892.2315 Fax? > www.copythatnyc.com? > > > -----Original Message-----? > From: Mark Lake ? > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > ? > Sent: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 8:36 am? > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] LPI, DPI & Resolution? > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? > > You're supposed to be on vacation in Hawaii.? > > > Mark Lake? > PIP Printing? > 368 Jefferson Street? > Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235? > 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax? > www.pipsturgeonbay.com? > Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com? > > To send a file to us, please use the link below? > http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845? > > -----Original Message-----? > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org? > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel? > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:46 PM? > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only? > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] LPI, DPI & Resolution? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? > > > One of my all time favorites, courtesy of the Wayback Machine:? > > http://tinyurl.com/3g32uc? > > > S.? > > > > > > > At 05:38 PM 6/30/2008, you wrote:? >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >>? >>We've been getting a lot of low res files lately. A few jobs have been? >>ok by running 150 line screens.? >>? >>I think sometimes we make the customer send us a new file when we > don't? >>really need to.? >>? >>I was wondering if anyone has any guidelines, formulas or could point? >>me to some reading material that would help explain the relationship? >>between lpi, dpi and the platesetter resolution.? >>? >>thanks,? >>Joe? >>? >>Joe Nutile? >>ColorCraft Printing? >>805-461-3742? >>http:www.colorcraftprinting.com? >>? >>Commercial and Digital Printing? >>? >>? >>? >>_______________________________________________? >>PrintOwners Discussion List? >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >>? >>? >>__________ NOD32 3232 (20080701) Information __________? >>? >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.? >>http://www.eset.com? >>? > > _____________________________________________? > > Scott Cappel? > > Sorrento Mesa Printing? > 7398 Trade Street? > San Diego, CA 92121-2422? > 858-527-0800? > 858-527-1740 FAX? > http://www.sorrentomesa.com? > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa? > > Direct Links for Learning:? > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html? > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html? > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html? > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions? > Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized? > Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider? > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego? > > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database? > version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/? > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187)? > Database version: 5.09520? > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/? > > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? > > > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From kellycrom at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 10:04:21 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Thu Jul 3 10:04:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign/PDF Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <012001c8dd15$b2834c20$6d01a8c0@KELLY> It doesn't always give the best results, but have you tried turning on "Print as image" in in the print dialog in Acrobat(click on the "advanced" button near the bottom of the dialog)? Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cyndy Harkins > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 8:23 AM > To: PrintOwners List > Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign/PDF Help > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have an InDesign file from a customer that refuses to > print correctly. We > have the native files plus a PDF and are printing to a CPP500 > with CREO rip. > > The customers' graphic designer is also having problems with > the file. When > she/we print or print to PDF the color of one graphic element > changes from > green to pink in one area and from purple to blue in another > area. We have > opened the graphic in Illustrator and it is a spot color with > a gradient. No > layers or other elements that we can find. > > We have tried from the Mac and from a PC with the same results. > > It is obvious something is happening in the printing process > whether to our > RIP or to PDF. > > We are not color experts, but we have never encountered > something like this. > > Any ideas? The job, of course, is due today. > > Thanks so much!!!! > > Cyndy > -- > Cyndy Wendt Harkins > President > Pioneer Printing, Inc. > 3133 S. 7th., Suite D > Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 > cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com > > 402.483.7575 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From joe at calagaz.com Thu Jul 3 10:08:56 2008 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Thu Jul 3 10:09:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign/PDF Help Message-ID: When you print to a pdf there are some color conversion options in the setup window when you convert it to pdf. I have had a problem in the past were ID was converting spots to CMYK and changed the color......remember that when you convert from PMS to CMYK, colors can change drastically. I have had to get Pantone's Bridge book (shows both the PMS color and the CMYK equivalent side by side) to show customers what spot PMS colors will look like in CMYK. Just a thought......good luck..... Joe Calagaz Calagaz Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cyndy Harkins Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 8:23 AM To: PrintOwners List Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign/PDF Help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have an InDesign file from a customer that refuses to print correctly. We have the native files plus a PDF and are printing to a CPP500 with CREO rip. The customers' graphic designer is also having problems with the file. When she/we print or print to PDF the color of one graphic element changes from green to pink in one area and from purple to blue in another area. We have opened the graphic in Illustrator and it is a spot color with a gradient. No layers or other elements that we can find. We have tried from the Mac and from a PC with the same results. It is obvious something is happening in the printing process whether to our RIP or to PDF. We are not color experts, but we have never encountered something like this. Any ideas? The job, of course, is due today. Thanks so much!!!! Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Thu Jul 3 10:09:32 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Thu Jul 3 10:10:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] LPI, DPI & Resolution In-Reply-To: <8CAAB288600512C-920-37BA@webmail-me11.sysops.aol.com> References: <4CF6254A-6E7E-4AC1-9EBD-84C0803476E0@colorcraftprinting.com> <200807030046.m630kW9c068226@i2bnetworks.com> <8CAAB288600512C-920-37BA@webmail-me11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Scott Cappel Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 8:34 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] LPI, DPI & Resolution ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** WHo's in Hawaii? Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Lake To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 8:36 am Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] LPI, DPI & Resolution ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** You're supposed to be on vacation in Hawaii. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:46 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] LPI, DPI & Resolution ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** One of my all time favorites, courtesy of the Wayback Machine: http://tinyurl.com/3g32uc S. At 05:38 PM 6/30/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We've been getting a lot of low res files lately. A few jobs have been >ok by running 150 line screens. > >I think sometimes we make the customer send us a new file when we don't >really need to. > >I was wondering if anyone has any guidelines, formulas or could point >me to some reading material that would help explain the relationship >between lpi, dpi and the platesetter resolution. > >thanks, >Joe > >Joe Nutile >ColorCraft Printing >805-461-3742 >http:www.colorcraftprinting.com > >Commercial and Digital Printing > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3232 (20080701) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Jul 3 10:11:16 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Thu Jul 3 10:11:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign/PDF Help In-Reply-To: <008501c8dd15$0a95f2b0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> References: <008501c8dd15$0a95f2b0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Message-ID: <004a01c8dd16$a8e4e010$6401a8c0@coranew> It might be on his website. He has lots of useful information there Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 854-0321 Fax (Call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jodi Bowser Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 9:00 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] InDesign/PDF Help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** from illustrator, could you save the file as an .eps and then place in Indesign and print from there? I wonder if that would work. I've had problems with files before also....Scott C recently sent a pdf of an article (small manual) called A Designer's Guide to Transparency for Print Output..... I printed a copy but don't have reference to the urll he'd included in his email..... Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyndy Harkins" To: "PrintOwners List" Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 7:23 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign/PDF Help > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have an InDesign file from a customer that refuses to print correctly. > We > have the native files plus a PDF and are printing to a CPP500 with CREO > rip. > > The customers' graphic designer is also having problems with the file. > When > she/we print or print to PDF the color of one graphic element changes from > green to pink in one area and from purple to blue in another area. We have > opened the graphic in Illustrator and it is a spot color with a gradient. > No > layers or other elements that we can find. > > We have tried from the Mac and from a PC with the same results. > > It is obvious something is happening in the printing process whether to > our > RIP or to PDF. > > We are not color experts, but we have never encountered something like > this. > > Any ideas? The job, of course, is due today. > > Thanks so much!!!! > > Cyndy > -- > Cyndy Wendt Harkins > President > Pioneer Printing, Inc. > 3133 S. 7th., Suite D > Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 > cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com > > 402.483.7575 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3239 (20080703) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From steve at toledoprinter.com Thu Jul 3 10:17:48 2008 From: steve at toledoprinter.com (West Printing) Date: Thu Jul 3 10:17:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign/PDF Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001301c8dd17$92890a20$b79b1e60$@com> If you are getting the same result from both the native files and the ID file then it sounds like a color management issue. First thing I would do in ID's print dialog box set: output>Composite Leave Unchanged and then Color management> Options> No Color Management. Then print to the copier or the rip and see if that works. If it prints properly and you want to make a pdf then you could adjust the settings in the presets as follows Adobe presets>Press quality>Output>Color Conversion>No Color Conversion. Steve Robison West Printing Co. 327 12th Street, Toledo, OH 43604 Ph. 419.246.0857, steve@toledoprinter.com? **************************************** http://www.ToledoPrinter.Com Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cyndy Harkins > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 9:23 AM > To: PrintOwners List > Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign/PDF Help > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have an InDesign file from a customer that refuses to print > correctly. We > have the native files plus a PDF and are printing to a CPP500 > with CREO rip. > ners From tracy at commercialpressink.com Thu Jul 3 10:32:37 2008 From: tracy at commercialpressink.com (Tracy Charleson) Date: Thu Jul 3 10:32:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners Message-ID: <9F0A8BCC-A757-42CF-8717-C6FEC17741CC@commercialpressink.com> I believe that some of you are in the banner business. I have a customer looking for 25 -35 Full Color Vinyl Banners - Size is 3' x 6' Would any of you like to give me pricing on this or a recommendation of what company to get pricing from. Thanks & Happy 4th! "Did you know...;. When you shop locally-owned businesses, your money is re-circulated over and over and creates up to 75% more tax revenue to our community and state." Tracy Charleson Commercial Press, Inc. 216 Cowan Road Canton, New York 13617 Phone: (315) 386-3431 Fax: (315) 386-5259 email: info@commercialpressink.com http://www.commercialpressink.com From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu Jul 3 10:59:25 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu Jul 3 10:59:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners In-Reply-To: <9F0A8BCC-A757-42CF-8717-C6FEC17741CC@commercialpressink.com> References: <9F0A8BCC-A757-42CF-8717-C6FEC17741CC@commercialpressink.com> Message-ID: <8CAAB3484E6DECE-920-3DA9@webmail-me11.sysops.aol.com> Tracy I do banners, but I don't provide a great pricing for trade work. But this guy I use, & always delivers a great product with his Mutoh. He has the big one I have only 48" wide. He gives me very nice pricing & don't have to wait 3-4 days for shipping. His name is Brian 917.559.8097. from beyond printing in L.I. NY Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Tracy Charleson To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:32 am Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? I believe that some of you are in the banner business. I have a customer looking for 25 -35 Full Color Vinyl Banners - Size is 3' x 6'? Would any of you like to give me pricing on this or a recommendation of what company to get pricing from.? Thanks & Happy 4th!? ? "Did you know...;. When you shop locally-owned businesses, your money is re-circulated over and over and creates up to 75% more tax revenue to our community and state."? Tracy Charleson? Commercial Press, Inc.? 216 Cowan Road? Canton, New York 13617? Phone: (315) 386-3431? Fax: (315) 386-5259? email: info@commercialpressink.com? http://www.commercialpressink.com? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From tradeprint at frontiernet.net Thu Jul 3 10:59:20 2008 From: tradeprint at frontiernet.net (Robert Cashimere) Date: Thu Jul 3 10:59:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Heidelberg PrintMaster 46-2 image slipping In-Reply-To: <8C6A5399-1362-4EC6-8D31-E751A12222D5@sheergraphics.com> References: <20080703042728.4AC32FBAD2F@rb.enter.net> <8C6A5399-1362-4EC6-8D31-E751A12222D5@sheergraphics.com> Message-ID: <486CE948.3050205@frontiernet.net> Simon Sheers wrote: > We only use metal plates! Then I would check to see if the plates and blanket are tight against the cylinders and there is no bubble (that might be an autoplate issue). If the plates are tight, then you are probably in need of service. Could be a gearing problem, a timing problem, a cylinder problem with the raise/lower mechanism . . . but a bit puzzling in that the register returns after the press stops. But it is clear it is not working properly. With metal plates on a QM46/2 (common blanket) - there should be no movement between heads. Phone support would probably recognize the problem and let you know if it is something you can fix - or if only an H. tech should make the repair. Bob TradePrint Rochester, NY From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Thu Jul 3 11:05:42 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Harkins) Date: Thu Jul 3 11:05:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign/PDF Help In-Reply-To: <001301c8dd17$92890a20$b79b1e60$@com> Message-ID: On 7/3/08 9:17 AM, "West Printing" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > If you are getting the same result from both the native files and the > ID file then it > sounds like a color management issue. Thanks to everyone for their input. We eventually got it work by making a JPEF out of the InDesign files. Steve's idea (West Printing) did not do the trick. Will probably try the others when the dust settles. Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From soneal at conestogadpi.com Thu Jul 3 16:09:51 2008 From: soneal at conestogadpi.com (Shawn O'Neal) Date: Thu Jul 3 16:10:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners In-Reply-To: <9F0A8BCC-A757-42CF-8717-C6FEC17741CC@commercialpressink.com> Message-ID: <005201c8dd48$c3c2da90$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> They would be about $45 each printed on 13 oz vinyl with eco-friendly UV cured inks. Sewn Hem and grommets every 2' and on corners. Medium ink coverage full color. Shipping and artwork not included. Shawn O'Neal Conestoga dpi 246 N Lincoln Ave Lebanon, PA 17046 717-389-0350 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Charleson Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:33 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I believe that some of you are in the banner business. I have a customer looking for 25 -35 Full Color Vinyl Banners - Size is 3' x 6' Would any of you like to give me pricing on this or a recommendation of what company to get pricing from. Thanks & Happy 4th! "Did you know...;. When you shop locally-owned businesses, your money is re-circulated over and over and creates up to 75% more tax revenue to our community and state." Tracy Charleson Commercial Press, Inc. 216 Cowan Road Canton, New York 13617 Phone: (315) 386-3431 Fax: (315) 386-5259 email: info@commercialpressink.com http://www.commercialpressink.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com Thu Jul 3 18:04:24 2008 From: Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com (Gerry Engelhart) Date: Thu Jul 3 18:04:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canadian Format Checks, or should I say "Cheques" Message-ID: <008401c8dd58$c1679230$7000000a@Engelhart> A customer approached us about print checks in "Canadian format" Continuous and only 1 part (ie no carbons) I have No idea what the Canadian Format is, and hope that one of our Canadian associates can educate me and get me a source. Thanks and have a good weekend Gerry Engelhart Porath Printsource Cleveland Ohio gerrye@porathprintsource.com From bill at mauiprintworks.com Thu Jul 3 20:42:29 2008 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Thu Jul 3 20:42:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Heidelberg PrintMaster 46-2 image slipping In-Reply-To: References: <20080702183505.660ACFB9D75@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <9C1835DF-8F67-41E2-ADFF-11897628FB1D@mauiprintworks.com> We had that problem and seem to have solved it during the time that Heidelberg had free phone support, and yes now they do charge us for phone support. We use 8 mil polyester plates which would not fully set into the tail clamp leaving the plate loose on the plate cylinder, so at the start on the run the image is higher and as you run the form rollers tighten the plate down towards the tail, then when you stop the press the springiness of the plate bubbles back and the image moves back to the top. Suggestions: 1) Check that your plate loader spring isn't broken ( that was our problem ) not enough pressure to pull plate all the way into tail clamp. Our problem was on PU1 but the same spring on PU2 part # A1.450.072 pg C-108 in parts book 2) Be sure plate cylinder is clean of all ink residue. 3) Another problem we had was not having the Vertical adjustments on both units zeroed out when loading each plate. 4) Clean any ink buildup at tail clamp Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793 bill@mauiprintworks.com 808-242-6634 On Jul 2, 2008, at 9:05 AM, Simon Sheers wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > A pressman reports that after 200 sheets or so of tight > registration press sheets, the satellite head image slips down the > sheet and away from the gripping edge. > > He stops the one-year-old press and makes no adjustments. When > press is restarted, the image has returned to the initial, correct > and registered position. > > Heidelberg says we will be charged flat fee of $135.00 for > telephone support, if problem cannot be fixed over the telephone, > then the $135.00 charge will be deducted from a Heidelberg service > visit. > > 1) Does anybody have a suggested remedy? > 2) Does any other manufacturer charge customers $135.00 just to ask > questions? > > Grrrr ..... The rarely used telephone support was one reason for > purchasing from Heidelberg. > > Please reply to Simon Sheers at: > > > Sheer Graphics Inc. > 47 Chestnut Avenue, > Westmont, IL 60559-1127 > Tel: (630) 654-4422 > > Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Jul 3 22:56:01 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Jul 3 22:57:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] LPI, DPI & Resolution In-Reply-To: References: <4CF6254A-6E7E-4AC1-9EBD-84C0803476E0@colorcraftprinting.com> <200807030046.m630kW9c068226@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <200807040256.m642uxaa029426@i2bnetworks.com> I'm in Maui for a few weeks, but still find the need to be connected via email. BTW read a couple of great books in the last few days. One was a recommendation from Todd Nuckols with the Crouser group. http://tinyurl.com/62tncq great little read that everyone would benefit from.... And then there's the second book. If you need to find a little meaning in your life, read the wisdom of a dying man, Randy Pausch http://www.thelastlecture.com read the Last Lecture and then look for him on YouTube. It will move you to tears and get you to realize that time is all we have. Thats why I'm here for 2 weeks with my 3 boys and my beautiful wife. Time is all we have. S. At 05:36 AM 7/3/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >You're supposed to be on vacation in Hawaii. > > >Mark Lake >PIP Printing >368 Jefferson Street >Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 >920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax >www.pipsturgeonbay.com >Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com > >To send a file to us, please use the link below >http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel >Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:46 PM >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] LPI, DPI & Resolution > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >One of my all time favorites, courtesy of the Wayback Machine: > >http://tinyurl.com/3g32uc > > >S. > > > > > > >At 05:38 PM 6/30/2008, you wrote: > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >We've been getting a lot of low res files lately. A few jobs have been > >ok by running 150 line screens. > > > >I think sometimes we make the customer send us a new file when we don't > >really need to. > > > >I was wondering if anyone has any guidelines, formulas or could point > >me to some reading material that would help explain the relationship > >between lpi, dpi and the platesetter resolution. > > > >thanks, > >Joe > > > >Joe Nutile > >ColorCraft Printing > >805-461-3742 > >http:www.colorcraftprinting.com > > > >Commercial and Digital Printing > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >__________ NOD32 3232 (20080701) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.eset.com > > > >_____________________________________________ > >Scott Cappel > >Sorrento Mesa Printing >7398 Trade Street >San Diego, CA 92121-2422 >858-527-0800 >858-527-1740 FAX >http://www.sorrentomesa.com > >LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > >Direct Links for Learning: >http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html >http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html >http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > >Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions >Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized >Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > >Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database >version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > > > > >E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) >Database version: 5.09520 >http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3239 (20080703) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Thu Jul 3 23:38:19 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt) Date: Thu Jul 3 23:38:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] LPI, DPI & Resolution In-Reply-To: <200807040256.m642uxaa029426@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: On 7/3/08 9:56 PM, "Scott Cappel" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > And then there's the second book. > > If you need to find a little meaning in your life, read the wisdom of > a dying man, Randy Pausch > > http://www.thelastlecture.com You are so right. I saw most of the last lecture on TV, along with his interview with Diane Sawyer and a segment on Oprah. Incredible man. Strength that is unbelievable. I bought the book on CD and listened to it going to and from work. Definitely puts your life into perspective. Enjoy your vacation. Cyndy Pioneer Printing Lincoln, NE From kevin at proprinters.ca Fri Jul 4 09:34:47 2008 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin at PRO Printers) Date: Fri Jul 4 09:34:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canadian Format Checks, or should I say "Cheques" References: <008401c8dd58$c1679230$7000000a@Engelhart> Message-ID: <001701c8ddda$ba7ca8c0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> Gerry, try the following link: http://www.cdnpay.ca/news/new_cheque_specs.asp Basically, cheques (note correct Canadian spelling) need to conform to a standard format so that they may be scanned. Every cheque must also be printed on the back. Answers to most questions should be available on the site above but if I can help in any way, contact me off list. It IS confusing at first (and still !). Good luck. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Engelhart" To: Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 6:04 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Canadian Format Checks, or should I say "Cheques" > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > A customer approached us about print checks in "Canadian format" > Continuous and only 1 part (ie no carbons) > > I have No idea what the Canadian Format is, and hope that one of our > Canadian associates can educate me and get me a source. > > Thanks and have a good weekend > > Gerry Engelhart > Porath Printsource > Cleveland Ohio > gerrye@porathprintsource.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Fri Jul 4 13:26:55 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Fri Jul 4 13:25:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canadian Format Checks, or should I say "Cheques" In-Reply-To: <001701c8ddda$ba7ca8c0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> References: <008401c8dd58$c1679230$7000000a@Engelhart> <001701c8ddda$ba7ca8c0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <009c01c8ddfb$28661e50$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Also you need to give samples to the financial institution in question to get their O.K. Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kevin at PRO Printers Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 9:35 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Canadian Format Checks, or should I say "Cheques" ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Gerry, try the following link: http://www.cdnpay.ca/news/new_cheque_specs.asp Basically, cheques (note correct Canadian spelling) need to conform to a standard format so that they may be scanned. Every cheque must also be printed on the back. Answers to most questions should be available on the site above but if I can help in any way, contact me off list. It IS confusing at first (and still !). Good luck. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Engelhart" To: Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 6:04 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Canadian Format Checks, or should I say "Cheques" > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > A customer approached us about print checks in "Canadian format" > Continuous and only 1 part (ie no carbons) > > I have No idea what the Canadian Format is, and hope that one of our > Canadian associates can educate me and get me a source. > > Thanks and have a good weekend > > Gerry Engelhart > Porath Printsource > Cleveland Ohio > gerrye@porathprintsource.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From files at aloha4print.com Sat Jul 5 12:24:58 2008 From: files at aloha4print.com (Nancy Denney) Date: Sat Jul 5 12:21:34 2008 Subject: OFF [PrintOwners] LPI, DPI & Resolution In-Reply-To: <200807040256.m642uxaa029426@i2bnetworks.com> References: <4CF6254A-6E7E-4AC1-9EBD-84C0803476E0@colorcraftprinting.com> <200807030046.m630kW9c068226@i2bnetworks.com> <200807040256.m642uxaa029426@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <734A9E7B-0ADB-4D2A-A353-0B07A83EC8A3@aloha4print.com> Scott, If you're in Maui you have to see Haleakala at sunrise, it is beautiful. If you go on the road to Hana at the end is a refreshment stand which has the best Mahi-Mahi. Enjoy your family, enjoy your vacation. Nancy @ Aloha Print & Copy, LLC On Jul 3, 2008, at 9:56 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > I'm in Maui for a few weeks, but still find the need to be > connected via email. > > BTW read a couple of great books in the last few days. One was a > recommendation from Todd Nuckols with the Crouser group. > > http://tinyurl.com/62tncq > > great little read that everyone would benefit from.... > > And then there's the second book. > > If you need to find a little meaning in your life, read the wisdom > of a dying man, Randy Pausch > > http://www.thelastlecture.com > > read the Last Lecture and then look for him on YouTube. > > It will move you to tears and get you to realize that time is all > we have. > > Thats why I'm here for 2 weeks with my 3 boys and my beautiful wife. > > Time is all we have. > > S. > > > At 05:36 AM 7/3/2008, you wrote: > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> You're supposed to be on vacation in Hawaii. >> >> >> Mark Lake >> PIP Printing >> 368 Jefferson Street >> Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 >> 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax >> www.pipsturgeonbay.com >> Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com >> >> To send a file to us, please use the link below >> http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel >> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:46 PM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] LPI, DPI & Resolution >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> One of my all time favorites, courtesy of the Wayback Machine: >> >> http://tinyurl.com/3g32uc >> >> >> S. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 05:38 PM 6/30/2008, you wrote: >> >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> > >> >We've been getting a lot of low res files lately. A few jobs have >> been >> >ok by running 150 line screens. >> > >> >I think sometimes we make the customer send us a new file when we >> don't >> >really need to. >> > >> >I was wondering if anyone has any guidelines, formulas or could >> point >> >me to some reading material that would help explain the relationship >> >between lpi, dpi and the platesetter resolution. >> > >> >thanks, >> >Joe >> > >> >Joe Nutile >> >ColorCraft Printing >> >805-461-3742 >> >http:www.colorcraftprinting.com >> > >> >Commercial and Digital Printing >> > >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >PrintOwners Discussion List >> >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > >> > >> >__________ NOD32 3232 (20080701) Information __________ >> > >> >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> >http://www.eset.com >> > >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Scott Cappel >> >> Sorrento Mesa Printing >> 7398 Trade Street >> San Diego, CA 92121-2422 >> 858-527-0800 >> 858-527-1740 FAX >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com >> >> LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa >> >> Direct Links for Learning: >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html >> >> Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe >> Solutions >> Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level >> Authorized >> Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider >> >> Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> >> >> E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) >> Database >> version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ >> >> >> >> >> >> E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) >> Database version: 5.09520 >> http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3239 (20080703) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From ron at printingconcepts.com Mon Jul 7 09:25:26 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Mon Jul 7 09:25:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] GLUING for Mailing Message-ID: Is anyone on this list gluing flyers shut with fugitive glue for mailing in place of wafer seals? We are looking into this and one vendor says hot melt for this application and the other says cold... If you can share your experience it would be much appreciated. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons" "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, and of the merchants a merchant." RALPH WALDO EMERSON Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From greg at pressexpress.org Mon Jul 7 10:21:51 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon Jul 7 10:22:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners In-Reply-To: <005201c8dd48$c3c2da90$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> References: <005201c8dd48$c3c2da90$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> Message-ID: Shawn, what do you use for your sewn hem? I have just been using banner tape but believe that sewing is much better and have been contemplating some sort of sewing machine. Greg On Jul 3, 2008, at 3:09 PM, Shawn O'Neal wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > They would be about $45 each printed on 13 oz vinyl with eco- > friendly UV > cured inks. Sewn Hem and grommets every 2' and on corners. Medium ink > coverage full color. Shipping and artwork not included. > > Shawn O'Neal > Conestoga dpi > 246 N Lincoln Ave > Lebanon, PA 17046 > 717-389-0350 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Charleson > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:33 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I believe that some of you are in the banner business. I have a > customer looking for 25 -35 Full Color Vinyl Banners - Size is 3' x > 6' > Would any of you like to give me pricing on this or a recommendation > of what company to get pricing from. > Thanks & Happy 4th! > > > "Did you know...;. When you shop locally-owned businesses, your money > is re-circulated over and over and creates up to 75% more tax revenue > to our community and state." > Tracy Charleson > Commercial Press, Inc. > 216 Cowan Road > Canton, New York 13617 > Phone: (315) 386-3431 > Fax: (315) 386-5259 > email: info@commercialpressink.com > http://www.commercialpressink.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Mon Jul 7 10:21:06 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Mon Jul 7 10:22:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Heidelberg PrintMaster 46-2 image slipping In-Reply-To: <20080704004242.05929FBCFF1@rb.enter.net> References: <20080704004242.05929FBCFF1@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the input. We'll try these suggestions and find out the cause. We had that problem and seem to have solved it during the time that Heidelberg had free phone support, and yes now they do charge us for phone support. We use 8 mil polyester plates which would not fully set into the tail clamp leaving the plate loose on the plate cylinder, so at the start on the run the image is higher and as you run the form rollers tighten the plate down towards the tail, then when you stop the press the springiness of the plate bubbles back and the image moves back to the top. Suggestions: 1) Check that your plate loader spring isn't broken ( that was our problem ) not enough pressure to pull plate all the way into tail clamp. Our problem was on PU1 but the same spring on PU2 part # A1.450.072 pg C-108 in parts book 2) Be sure plate cylinder is clean of all ink residue. 3) Another problem we had was not having the Vertical adjustments on both units zeroed out when loading each plate. 4) Clean any ink buildup at tail clamp Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793 bill@mauiprintworks.com Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From robin at protypeonline.com Mon Jul 7 11:44:51 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Mon Jul 7 11:44:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CPP650 copies and vinyl menu covers Message-ID: A good customer has a full color menu that we have had printed offset in the past. That was B4 we went digital and got rid of the offset equipment. The job can easily be printed on our CPP650 and they only need 60 of them (6 pages!) HOWEVER, the customer just recently purchased vinyl menu covers/sleeves for the menus. Do I have to worry about the toner sticking to the vinyl???? Talked with another printer to ask them if they could print for us on their DI and they don't have time but he thought we would be fine because of the different/newer toner composition. We would love to do them on our 650 -- the possibility of giving the customer just a few and have them try them out won't work -- it is a big and busy restaurant and need all of them SOON! And, if the toner comes off on the vinyl then I would get to purchase new menu covers. ?????? Robin Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 Wright Printing Company 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From copythatnyc at aol.com Mon Jul 7 11:59:18 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Mon Jul 7 11:59:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners In-Reply-To: References: <005201c8dd48$c3c2da90$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> Message-ID: <8CAAE618BE1F5C2-F3C-78B@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> Greg, we use tape here. We have gotten it down to a science. Sewing although is good, will take away from the full bleeds look. I had a thread here before & I forgot which member recommended tape tp me. We crease the ends prior to applying the tape. Once we have completed the taping. The banner looks as though it was just trimmed off the sides. American Banner has a taping unit that will increase the taping job by 10 fold. Unit goes for around $3500. We still do it by hand can't see justifying that cost. : ) But if your doing 5 or more a day price for unit will be worth it! Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg Weinfurter To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 10:21 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Shawn, what do you use for your sewn hem? I have just been using banner tape but believe that sewing is much better and have been contemplating some sort of sewing machine.? ? Greg? ? On Jul 3, 2008, at 3:09 PM, Shawn O'Neal wrote:? ? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > They would be about $45 each printed on 13 oz vinyl with eco-> friendly UV? > cured inks. Sewn Hem and grommets every 2' and on corners. Medium ink? > coverage full color. Shipping and artwork not included.? >? > Shawn O'Neal? > Conestoga dpi? > 246 N Lincoln Ave? > Lebanon, PA 17046? > 717-389-0350? >? >? >? >? > -----Original Message-----? > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org? > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Charleson? > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:33 AM? > To: printowners@printweb.org? > Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners? >? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > I believe that some of you are in the banner business. I have a? > customer looking for 25 -35 Full Color Vinyl Banners - Size is 3' x > 6'? > Would any of you like to give me pricing on this or a recommendation? > of what company to get pricing from.? > Thanks & Happy 4th!? >? >? > "Did you know...;. When you shop locally-owned businesses, your money? > is re-circulated over and over and creates up to 75% more tax revenue? > to our community and state."? > Tracy Charleson? > Commercial Press, Inc.? > 216 Cowan Road? > Canton, New York 13617? > Phone: (315) 386-3431? > Fax: (315) 386-5259? > email: info@commercialpressink.com? > http://www.commercialpressink.com? >? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? >? >? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? > --> This message has been scanned for viruses and? > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is? > believed to be clean.? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From soneal at conestogadpi.com Mon Jul 7 13:08:39 2008 From: soneal at conestogadpi.com (Shawn O'Neal) Date: Mon Jul 7 13:09:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003501c8e054$1ce14860$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> We use both taped banners and sewn hems. The sewing is outsourced to an outfit that has it down to a science but turnaround is 3 extra days. I think taping is just as good but the perception is that sewing is better. Also we can not install webbing for D rings etc with tape. Shawn Conestoga dpi 717-389-0350 www.conestogadpi.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:22 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Shawn, what do you use for your sewn hem? I have just been using banner tape but believe that sewing is much better and have been contemplating some sort of sewing machine. Greg On Jul 3, 2008, at 3:09 PM, Shawn O'Neal wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > They would be about $45 each printed on 13 oz vinyl with eco- > friendly UV > cured inks. Sewn Hem and grommets every 2' and on corners. Medium ink > coverage full color. Shipping and artwork not included. > > Shawn O'Neal > Conestoga dpi > 246 N Lincoln Ave > Lebanon, PA 17046 > 717-389-0350 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Charleson > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:33 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I believe that some of you are in the banner business. I have a > customer looking for 25 -35 Full Color Vinyl Banners - Size is 3' x > 6' > Would any of you like to give me pricing on this or a recommendation > of what company to get pricing from. > Thanks & Happy 4th! > > > "Did you know...;. When you shop locally-owned businesses, your money > is re-circulated over and over and creates up to 75% more tax revenue > to our community and state." > Tracy Charleson > Commercial Press, Inc. > 216 Cowan Road > Canton, New York 13617 > Phone: (315) 386-3431 > Fax: (315) 386-5259 > email: info@commercialpressink.com > http://www.commercialpressink.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From robin at protypeonline.com Mon Jul 7 14:34:05 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Mon Jul 7 14:34:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] laminator mounter? Message-ID: <5A5153F2-DA8C-4192-9E10-2BF1E8CEB24E@protypeonline.com> I need to purchase a laminator/mounter for our second location. We will be printing wide format (epson 7600 - 24" max. width) and mounting on foam core board more mounting than laminating and if we get a request for a tiny amount of laminating we have a small (Sam's) cold laminator we use quite often and also a small pouch laminator. Suggestions? I went to USI's website but hoping I can find something for under $3000. Getting tired of spending money at this location and not yet making any money over here. :) Robin Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 Wright Printing Company 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 14:39:00 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Jul 7 14:39:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Web development training Message-ID: <98f5b19a0807071139w517c9c71u5df913529e1e5bbf@mail.gmail.com> I know nothing about website creation and want to design a personal in-depth course for doing so. Assuming I know nothing about html, web software, principles of website development, etc., can someone point me in the right direction and help me create a course syllabus? I've looked at the large number of courses offered at lynda.com ( http://movielibrary.lynda.com, http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/modListing.asp?sid=118), and haven't a clue where to begin. I'm assuming that the general heading of "web development' would be a better starting point than "web creation" or "web graphics," but beyond that, I'm lost. Software currently available to me is Dreamweaver and Flash, but I want to learn the subject from the ground up. If you know web development and creation, and/or if this is a part of your business, can you suggest a proper core curriculum? TIA -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From andrew.flamm at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 14:46:30 2008 From: andrew.flamm at gmail.com (Andy Flamm) Date: Mon Jul 7 14:46:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] laminator mounter? In-Reply-To: <5A5153F2-DA8C-4192-9E10-2BF1E8CEB24E@protypeonline.com> References: <5A5153F2-DA8C-4192-9E10-2BF1E8CEB24E@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: We've been using a ProSeal pouch laminator for years and that seems like a good solution unless your volume justifies the higher cost (but lower supply costs) of a roll laminator. We bought ours pretty cheap as part of some special offer. Hopefully you could find a 26" model (or whatever they come in) for under $1000. We use heat-activated foam board for mounting; it works great, and the boards are available locally so we avoid shipping costs. We buy laminating pouches and pouchboards from USI (be sure you get dealer pricing). They are expensive, but there's little waste and just about anyone can do it. We charge $3 per sq' for laminating, $4 for mounting and $5 for both. Good luck. Andy Flamm On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I need to purchase a laminator/mounter for our second location. We will be > printing wide format (epson 7600 - 24" max. width) and mounting on foam core > board more mounting than laminating and if we get a request for a tiny > amount of laminating we have a small (Sam's) cold laminator we use quite > often and also a small pouch laminator. > Suggestions? I went to USI's website but hoping I can find something for > under $3000. Getting tired of spending money at this location and not yet > making any money over here. > :) > Robin > > > Robin Niewold > robin@protypeonline.com > > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > > Wright Printing Company > 203 North Street > Normal, IL 61761 > 309.452.4409 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Cedar Business Printing 345 Cedar Street, Suite 256 Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101 651-293-3904 voice 651-293-3905 fax andy@CedarBusinessPrinting.com www.CedarBusinessPrinting.com From robin at protypeonline.com Mon Jul 7 14:53:23 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Mon Jul 7 14:53:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 35, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: <20080707184644.9F958FC5358@rb.enter.net> References: <20080707184644.9F958FC5358@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Andy, what are YOUR costs for the pouches and boards? cost for 2ft x 3ft and what do you charge for mounting and laminating on 1/4" (approx.) white foam core board? robin On Jul 7, 2008, at 1:46 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > Send PrintOwners mailing list submissions to > printowners@printweb.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > printowners-request@printweb.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > printowners-owner@printweb.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of PrintOwners digest..." > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Digest ***** > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Heidelberg PrintMaster 46-2 image slipping (Simon Sheers) > 2. CPP650 copies and vinyl menu covers (Robin Niewold) > 3. Re: Full Color Banners (Tommy Melendez) > 4. RE: Full Color Banners (Shawn O'Neal) > 5. laminator mounter? (Robin Niewold) > 6. Web development training (Michael Vogel) > 7. Re: laminator mounter? (Andy Flamm) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:21:06 -0500 > From: Simon Sheers > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Heidelberg PrintMaster 46-2 image slipping > To: printowners@printweb.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Thanks for the input. We'll try these suggestions and find out the > cause. > > > We had that problem and seem to have solved it during the time that > Heidelberg had free phone support, and yes now they do charge us for > phone support. We use 8 mil polyester plates which would not fully set > into the tail clamp leaving the plate loose on the plate cylinder, so > at the start on the run the image is higher and as you run the form > rollers tighten the plate down towards the tail, then when you stop > the press the springiness of the plate bubbles back and the image > moves back to the top. > Suggestions: > 1) Check that your plate loader spring isn't broken ( that was our > problem ) not enough pressure to pull plate all the way into tail > clamp. > Our problem was on PU1 but the same spring on PU2 part # > A1.450.072 pg C-108 in parts book > 2) Be sure plate cylinder is clean of all ink residue. > 3) Another problem we had was not having the Vertical adjustments on > both units zeroed out when loading each plate. > 4) Clean any ink buildup at tail clamp > > Bill Marsh > Maui Print Works > 70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793 > bill@mauiprintworks.com > > > Please reply to Simon Sheers at: > > > Sheer Graphics Inc. > 47 Chestnut Avenue, > Westmont, IL 60559-1127 > Tel: (630) 654-4422 > > Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 10:44:51 -0500 > From: Robin Niewold > Subject: [PrintOwners] CPP650 copies and vinyl menu covers > To: printowners printowners > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > A good customer has a full color menu that we have had printed offset > in the past. That was B4 we went digital and got rid of the offset > equipment. > The job can easily be printed on our CPP650 and they only need 60 of > them (6 pages!) HOWEVER, the customer just recently purchased vinyl > menu covers/sleeves for the menus. Do I have to worry about the toner > sticking to the vinyl???? Talked with another printer to ask them if > they could print for us on their DI and they don't have time but he > thought we would be fine because of the different/newer toner > composition. We would love to do them on our 650 -- the possibility of > giving the customer just a few and have them try them out won't work > -- it is a big and busy restaurant and need all of them SOON! And, > if > the toner comes off on the vinyl then I would get to purchase new menu > covers. > ?????? > Robin > > Robin Niewold > robin@protypeonline.com > > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > > Wright Printing Company > 203 North Street > Normal, IL 61761 > 309.452.4409 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 11:59:18 -0400 > From: Tommy Melendez > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners > To: printowners@printweb.org > Message-ID: <8CAAE618BE1F5C2-F3C-78B@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed > > Greg, we use tape here. We have gotten it down to a science. Sewing > although is good, will take away from the full bleeds look. I had a > thread here before & I forgot which member recommended tape tp me. We > crease the ends prior to applying the tape. Once we have completed the > taping. The banner looks as though it was just trimmed off the sides. > American Banner has a taping unit that will increase the taping job by > 10 fold. Unit goes for around $3500. We still do it by hand can't see > justifying that cost. : ) But if your doing 5 or more a day price for > unit will be worth it! > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Weinfurter > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Sent: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 10:21 am > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Shawn, what do you use for your sewn hem? I have just been using > banner > tape but believe that sewing is much better and have been > contemplating > some sort of sewing machine. > > Greg > > On Jul 3, 2008, at 3:09 PM, Shawn O'Neal wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> They would be about $45 each printed on 13 oz vinyl with eco-> > friendly UV >> cured inks. Sewn Hem and grommets every 2' and on corners. Medium ink >> coverage full color. Shipping and artwork not included. >> >> Shawn O'Neal >> Conestoga dpi >> 246 N Lincoln Ave >> Lebanon, PA 17046 >> 717-389-0350 >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tracy > Charleson >> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:33 AM >> To: printowners@printweb.org >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I believe that some of you are in the banner business. I have a >> customer looking for 25 -35 Full Color Vinyl Banners - Size is 3' x > > 6' >> Would any of you like to give me pricing on this or a recommendation >> of what company to get pricing from. >> Thanks & Happy 4th! >> >> >> "Did you know...;. When you shop locally-owned businesses, your money >> is re-circulated over and over and creates up to 75% more tax revenue >> to our community and state." >> Tracy Charleson >> Commercial Press, Inc. >> 216 Cowan Road >> Canton, New York 13617 >> Phone: (315) 386-3431 >> Fax: (315) 386-5259 >> email: info@commercialpressink.com >> http://www.commercialpressink.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> --> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:08:39 -0400 > From: "Shawn O'Neal" > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Message-ID: <003501c8e054$1ce14860$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> > > We use both taped banners and sewn hems. The sewing is outsourced to > an > outfit that has it down to a science but turnaround is 3 extra days. > I think > taping is just as good but the perception is that sewing is better. > Also we > can not install webbing for D rings etc with tape. > > Shawn > > Conestoga dpi > 717-389-0350 > www.conestogadpi.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:22 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Shawn, what do you use for your sewn hem? I have just been using > banner tape but believe that sewing is much better and have been > contemplating some sort of sewing machine. > > Greg > > On Jul 3, 2008, at 3:09 PM, Shawn O'Neal wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> They would be about $45 each printed on 13 oz vinyl with eco- >> friendly UV >> cured inks. Sewn Hem and grommets every 2' and on corners. Medium ink >> coverage full color. Shipping and artwork not included. >> >> Shawn O'Neal >> Conestoga dpi >> 246 N Lincoln Ave >> Lebanon, PA 17046 >> 717-389-0350 >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tracy >> Charleson >> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:33 AM >> To: printowners@printweb.org >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I believe that some of you are in the banner business. I have a >> customer looking for 25 -35 Full Color Vinyl Banners - Size is 3' x >> 6' >> Would any of you like to give me pricing on this or a recommendation >> of what company to get pricing from. >> Thanks & Happy 4th! >> >> >> "Did you know...;. When you shop locally-owned businesses, your money >> is re-circulated over and over and creates up to 75% more tax revenue >> to our community and state." >> Tracy Charleson >> Commercial Press, Inc. >> 216 Cowan Road >> Canton, New York 13617 >> Phone: (315) 386-3431 >> Fax: (315) 386-5259 >> email: info@commercialpressink.com >> http://www.commercialpressink.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:34:05 -0500 > From: Robin Niewold > Subject: [PrintOwners] laminator mounter? > To: printowners printowners > Message-ID: <5A5153F2-DA8C-4192-9E10-2BF1E8CEB24E@protypeonline.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > I need to purchase a laminator/mounter for our second location. We > will be printing wide format (epson 7600 - 24" max. width) and > mounting on foam core board more mounting than laminating and if we > get a request for a tiny amount of laminating we have a small (Sam's) > cold laminator we use quite often and also a small pouch laminator. > Suggestions? I went to USI's website but hoping I can find something > for under $3000. Getting tired of spending money at this location and > not yet making any money over here. > :) > Robin > > > Robin Niewold > robin@protypeonline.com > > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > > Wright Printing Company > 203 North Street > Normal, IL 61761 > 309.452.4409 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 14:39:00 -0400 > From: "Michael Vogel" > Subject: [PrintOwners] Web development training > To: "printowners@printweb.org" > Message-ID: > <98f5b19a0807071139w517c9c71u5df913529e1e5bbf@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I know nothing about website creation and want to design a personal > in-depth > course for doing so. Assuming I know nothing about html, web software, > principles of website development, etc., can someone point me in the > right > direction and help me create a course syllabus? > > I've looked at the large number of courses offered at lynda.com ( > http://movielibrary.lynda.com, > http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/modListing.asp?sid=118), and > haven't a > clue where to begin. I'm assuming that the general heading of "web > development' would be a better starting point than "web creation" or > "web > graphics," but beyond that, I'm lost. Software currently available > to me is > Dreamweaver and Flash, but I want to learn the subject from the > ground up. > If you know web development and creation, and/or if this is a part > of your > business, can you suggest a proper core curriculum? > > TIA > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:46:30 -0500 > From: "Andy Flamm" > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] laminator mounter? > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > We've been using a ProSeal pouch laminator for years and that seems > like a > good solution unless your volume justifies the higher cost (but > lower supply > costs) of a roll laminator. We bought ours pretty cheap as part of > some > special offer. Hopefully you could find a 26" model (or whatever > they come > in) for under $1000. We use heat-activated foam board for mounting; > it works > great, and the boards are available locally so we avoid shipping > costs. We > buy laminating pouches and pouchboards from USI (be sure you get > dealer > pricing). They are expensive, but there's little waste and just > about anyone > can do it. We charge $3 per sq' for laminating, $4 for mounting and > $5 for > both. Good luck. > > Andy Flamm > > On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Robin Niewold > > wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I need to purchase a laminator/mounter for our second location. We >> will be >> printing wide format (epson 7600 - 24" max. width) and mounting on >> foam core >> board more mounting than laminating and if we get a request for a >> tiny >> amount of laminating we have a small (Sam's) cold laminator we use >> quite >> often and also a small pouch laminator. >> Suggestions? I went to USI's website but hoping I can find >> something for >> under $3000. Getting tired of spending money at this location and >> not yet >> making any money over here. >> :) >> Robin >> >> >> Robin Niewold >> robin@protypeonline.com >> >> Pro-Type Printing, Inc. >> 130 N. Market Street >> Paxton, IL 60957 >> 217.379.4715 >> >> Wright Printing Company >> 203 North Street >> Normal, IL 61761 >> 309.452.4409 >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > -- > Cedar Business Printing > 345 Cedar Street, Suite 256 > Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101 > > 651-293-3904 voice > 651-293-3905 fax > > andy@CedarBusinessPrinting.com > www.CedarBusinessPrinting.com > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > End of PrintOwners Digest, Vol 35, Issue 10 > ******************************************* > Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 Wright Printing Company 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From copythatnyc at aol.com Mon Jul 7 15:22:22 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Mon Jul 7 15:22:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 35, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: References: <20080707184644.9F958FC5358@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <8CAAE7DEA7C2FD2-F3C-19C0@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> We use the Big Squeegee by Dale. go to: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2935020210886593967 X-cellent tool! This is one of the many ways to use this tool. We charge $5 2x3 board $8 Mount $11. Print $35 We print on vinyl & then mount with the squeegee. Less expensive then any laminator can do. We do around 15 - 25 order a week. Rarely do we have problems. Not enough work to justify the purchase of a laminator. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Robin Niewold To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 2:53 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 35, Issue 10 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Andy,? what are YOUR costs for the pouches and boards?? cost for 2ft x 3ft and what do you charge for mounting and laminating on 1/4" (approx.) white foam core board?? robin? ? On Jul 7, 2008, at 1:46 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote:? ? > Send PrintOwners mailing list submissions to? > printowners@printweb.org? >? > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit? > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to? > printowners-request@printweb.org? >? > You can reach the person managing the list at? > printowners-owner@printweb.org? >? > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific? > than "Re: Contents of PrintOwners digest..."? >? >? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Digest *****? >? > Today's Topics:? >? > 1. Re: Heidelberg PrintMaster 46-2 image slipping (Simon Sheers)? > 2. CPP650 copies and vinyl menu covers (Robin Niewold)? > 3. Re: Full Color Banners (Tommy Melendez)? > 4. RE: Full Color Banners (Shawn O'Neal)? > 5. laminator mounter? (Robin Niewold)? > 6. Web development training (Michael Vogel)? > 7. Re: laminator mounter? (Andy Flamm)? >? >? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------? >? > Message: 1? > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:21:06 -0500? > From: Simon Sheers ? > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Heidelberg PrintMaster 46-2 image slipping? > To: printowners@printweb.org? > Message-ID: ? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes? >? > Thanks for the input. We'll try these suggestions and find out the? > cause.? >? >? > We had that problem and seem to have solved it during the time that? > Heidelberg had free phone support, and yes now they do charge us for? > phone support. We use 8 mil polyester plates which would not fully set? > into the tail clamp leaving the plate loose on the plate cylinder, so? > at the start on the run the image is higher and as you run the form? > rollers tighten the plate down towards the tail, then when you stop? > the press the springiness of the plate bubbles back and the image? > moves back to the top.? > Suggestions:? > 1) Check that your plate loader spring isn't broken ( that was our? > problem ) not enough pressure to pull plate all the way into tail > clamp.? > Our problem was on PU1 but the same spring on PU2 part #? > A1.450.072 pg C-108 in parts book? > 2) Be sure plate cylinder is clean of all ink residue.? > 3) Another problem we had was not having the Vertical adjustments on? > both units zeroed out when loading each plate.? > 4) Clean any ink buildup at tail clamp? >? > Bill Marsh? > Maui Print Works? > 70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793? > bill@mauiprintworks.com? >? >? > Please reply to Simon Sheers at:? > ? >? > Sheer Graphics Inc.? > 47 Chestnut Avenue,? > Westmont, IL 60559-1127? > Tel: (630) 654-4422? > ? > Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more? >? >? >? > ------------------------------? >? > Message: 2? > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 10:44:51 -0500? > From: Robin Niewold ? > Subject: [PrintOwners] CPP650 copies and vinyl menu covers? > To: printowners printowners ? > Message-ID: ? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes? >? > A good customer has a full color menu that we have had printed offset? > in the past. That was B4 we went digital and got rid of the offset? > equipment.? > The job can easily be printed on our CPP650 and they only need 60 of? > them (6 pages!) HOWEVER, the customer just recently purchased vinyl? > menu covers/sleeves for the menus. Do I have to worry about the toner? > sticking to the vinyl???? Talked with another printer to ask them if? > they could print for us on their DI and they don't have time but he? > thought we would be fine because of the different/newer toner? > composition. We would love to do them on our 650 -- the possibility of? > giving the customer just a few and have them try them out won't work? > -- it is a big and busy restaurant and need all of them SOON! And, > if > the toner comes off on the vinyl then I would get to purchase new menu? > covers.? > ??????? > Robin? >? > Robin Niewold? > robin@protypeonline.com? >? > Pro-Type Printing, Inc.? > 130 N. Market Street? > Paxton, IL 60957? > 217.379.4715? >? > Wright Printing Company? > 203 North Street? > Normal, IL 61761? > 309.452.4409? >? >? >? >? >? >? >? > ------------------------------? >? > Message: 3? > Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 11:59:18 -0400? > From: Tommy Melendez ? > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners? > To: printowners@printweb.org? > Message-ID: <8CAAE618BE1F5C2-F3C-78B@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com>? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed? >? > Greg, we use tape here. We have gotten it down to a science. Sewing? > although is good, will take away from the full bleeds look. I had a? > thread here before & I forgot which member recommended tape tp me. We? > crease the ends prior to applying the tape. Once we have completed the? > taping. The banner looks as though it was just trimmed off the sides.? > American Banner has a taping unit that will increase the taping job by? > 10 fold. Unit goes for around $3500. We still do it by hand can't see? > justifying that cost. : ) But if your doing 5 or more a day price for? > unit will be worth it!? >? >? > Copy That, Inc.? > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service"? > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue? > Bronx, N.Y. 10465? > 718.892.1859? > 718.892.2315 Fax? > www.copythatnyc.com? >? >? > -----Original Message-----? > From: Greg Weinfurter ? > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only? > ? > Sent: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 10:21 am? > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners? >? >? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > Shawn, what do you use for your sewn hem? I have just been using > banner? > tape but believe that sewing is much better and have been > contemplating? > some sort of sewing machine.? >? > Greg? >? > On Jul 3, 2008, at 3:09 PM, Shawn O'Neal wrote:? >? >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >>? >> They would be about $45 each printed on 13 oz vinyl with eco->? > friendly UV? >> cured inks. Sewn Hem and grommets every 2' and on corners. Medium ink? >> coverage full color. Shipping and artwork not included.? >>? >> Shawn O'Neal? >> Conestoga dpi? >> 246 N Lincoln Ave? >> Lebanon, PA 17046? >> 717-389-0350? >>? >>? >>? >>? >> -----Original Message-----? >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org? >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tracy? > Charleson? >> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:33 AM? >> To: printowners@printweb.org? >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners? >>? >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >>? >> I believe that some of you are in the banner business. I have a? >> customer looking for 25 -35 Full Color Vinyl Banners - Size is 3' x >? > 6'? >> Would any of you like to give me pricing on this or a recommendation? >> of what company to get pricing from.? >> Thanks & Happy 4th!? >>? >>? >> "Did you know...;. When you shop locally-owned businesses, your money? >> is re-circulated over and over and creates up to 75% more tax revenue? >> to our community and state."? >> Tracy Charleson? >> Commercial Press, Inc.? >> 216 Cowan Road? >> Canton, New York 13617? >> Phone: (315) 386-3431? >> Fax: (315) 386-5259? >> email: info@commercialpressink.com? >> http://www.commercialpressink.com? >>? >> _______________________________________________? >> PrintOwners Discussion List? >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >>? >>? >>? >>? >> _______________________________________________? >> PrintOwners Discussion List? >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >>? >>? >> --> This message has been scanned for viruses and? >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is? >> believed to be clean.? >? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? >? >? > ------------------------------? >? > Message: 4? > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:08:39 -0400? > From: "Shawn O'Neal" ? > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners? > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'"? > ? > Message-ID: <003501c8e054$1ce14860$b506a8c0@CopierComputer>? >? > We use both taped banners and sewn hems. The sewing is outsourced to > an? > outfit that has it down to a science but turnaround is 3 extra days. > I think? > taping is just as good but the perception is that sewing is better. > Also we? > can not install webbing for D rings etc with tape.? >? > Shawn? >? > Conestoga dpi? > 717-389-0350? > www.conestogadpi.com? >? >? >? >? > -----Original Message-----? > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org? > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter? > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:22 AM? > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only? > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners? >? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > Shawn, what do you use for your sewn hem? I have just been using? > banner tape but believe that sewing is much better and have been? > contemplating some sort of sewing machine.? >? > Greg? >? > On Jul 3, 2008, at 3:09 PM, Shawn O'Neal wrote:? >? >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >>? >> They would be about $45 each printed on 13 oz vinyl with eco-? >> friendly UV? >> cured inks. Sewn Hem and grommets every 2' and on corners. Medium ink? >> coverage full color. Shipping and artwork not included.? >>? >> Shawn O'Neal? >> Conestoga dpi? >> 246 N Lincoln Ave? >> Lebanon, PA 17046? >> 717-389-0350? >>? >>? >>? >>? >> -----Original Message-----? >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org? >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tracy >> Charleson? >> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:33 AM? >> To: printowners@printweb.org? >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners? >>? >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >>? >> I believe that some of you are in the banner business. I have a? >> customer looking for 25 -35 Full Color Vinyl Banners - Size is 3' x? >> 6'? >> Would any of you like to give me pricing on this or a recommendation? >> of what company to get pricing from.? >> Thanks & Happy 4th!? >>? >>? >> "Did you know...;. When you shop locally-owned businesses, your money? >> is re-circulated over and over and creates up to 75% more tax revenue? >> to our community and state."? >> Tracy Charleson? >> Commercial Press, Inc.? >> 216 Cowan Road? >> Canton, New York 13617? >> Phone: (315) 386-3431? >> Fax: (315) 386-5259? >> email: info@commercialpressink.com? >> http://www.commercialpressink.com? >>? >> _______________________________________________? >> PrintOwners Discussion List? >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >>? >>? >>? >>? >> _______________________________________________? >> PrintOwners Discussion List? >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >>? >>? >> --? >> This message has been scanned for viruses and? >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is? >> believed to be clean.? >? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? >? >? >? >? > ------------------------------? >? > Message: 5? > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:34:05 -0500? > From: Robin Niewold ? > Subject: [PrintOwners] laminator mounter?? > To: printowners printowners ? > Message-ID: <5A5153F2-DA8C-4192-9E10-2BF1E8CEB24E@protypeonline.com>? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes? >? > I need to purchase a laminator/mounter for our second location. We? > will be printing wide format (epson 7600 - 24" max. width) and? > mounting on foam core board more mounting than laminating and if we? > get a request for a tiny amount of laminating we have a small (Sam's)? > cold laminator we use quite often and also a small pouch laminator.? > Suggestions? I went to USI's website but hoping I can find something? > for under $3000. Getting tired of spending money at this location and? > not yet making any money over here.? > :)? > Robin? >? >? > Robin Niewold? > robin@protypeonline.com? >? > Pro-Type Printing, Inc.? > 130 N. Market Street? > Paxton, IL 60957? > 217.379.4715? >? > Wright Printing Company? > 203 North Street? > Normal, IL 61761? > 309.452.4409? >? >? >? >? >? >? >? > ------------------------------? >? > Message: 6? > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 14:39:00 -0400? > From: "Michael Vogel" ? > Subject: [PrintOwners] Web development training? > To: "printowners@printweb.org" ? > Message-ID:? > <98f5b19a0807071139w517c9c71u5df913529e1e5bbf@mail.gmail.com>? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1? >? > I know nothing about website creation and want to design a personal > in-depth? > course for doing so. Assuming I know nothing about html, web software,? > principles of website development, etc., can someone point me in the > right? > direction and help me create a course syllabus?? >? > I've looked at the large number of courses offered at lynda.com (? > http://movielibrary.lynda.com,? > http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/modListing.asp?sid=118), and > haven't a? > clue where to begin. I'm assuming that the general heading of "web? > development' would be a better starting point than "web creation" or > "web? > graphics," but beyond that, I'm lost. Software currently available > to me is? > Dreamweaver and Flash, but I want to learn the subject from the > ground up.? > If you know web development and creation, and/or if this is a part > of your? > business, can you suggest a proper core curriculum?? >? > TIA? >? >? > --> Michael Vogel? > Sir Speedy Printing? > 9 Research Drive? > Milford, CT 06460? > tel 203-877-1231? > fax 203-878-2679? > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com? > www.eSirSpeedy.com? > ====================================? > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to? > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.? > ~Lord Bacon? >? >? > ------------------------------? >? > Message: 7? > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:46:30 -0500? > From: "Andy Flamm" ? > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] laminator mounter?? > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only"? > ? > Message-ID:? > ? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1? >? > We've been using a ProSeal pouch laminator for years and that seems > like a? > good solution unless your volume justifies the higher cost (but > lower supply? > costs) of a roll laminator. We bought ours pretty cheap as part of > some? > special offer. Hopefully you could find a 26" model (or whatever > they come? > in) for under $1000. We use heat-activated foam board for mounting; > it works? > great, and the boards are available locally so we avoid shipping > costs. We? > buy laminating pouches and pouchboards from USI (be sure you get > dealer? > pricing). They are expensive, but there's little waste and just > about anyone? > can do it. We charge $3 per sq' for laminating, $4 for mounting and > $5 for? > both. Good luck.? >? > Andy Flamm? >? > On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Robin Niewold > ? > wrote:? >? >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >>? >> I need to purchase a laminator/mounter for our second location. We >> will be? >> printing wide format (epson 7600 - 24" max. width) and mounting on >> foam core? >> board more mounting than laminating and if we get a request for a >> tiny? >> amount of laminating we have a small (Sam's) cold laminator we use >> quite? >> often and also a small pouch laminator.? >> Suggestions? I went to USI's website but hoping I can find >> something for? >> under $3000. Getting tired of spending money at this location and >> not yet? >> making any money over here.? >> :)? >> Robin? >>? >>? >> Robin Niewold? >> robin@protypeonline.com? >>? >> Pro-Type Printing, Inc.? >> 130 N. Market Street? >> Paxton, IL 60957? >> 217.379.4715? >>? >> Wright Printing Company? >> 203 North Street? >> Normal, IL 61761? >> 309.452.4409? >>? >>? >>? >>? >>? >> _______________________________________________? >> PrintOwners Discussion List? >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >>? >>? >? >? > --> Cedar Business Printing? > 345 Cedar Street, Suite 256? > Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101? >? > 651-293-3904 voice? > 651-293-3905 fax? >? > andy@CedarBusinessPrinting.com? > www.CedarBusinessPrinting.com? >? >? > ------------------------------? >? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? >? > End of PrintOwners Digest, Vol 35, Issue 10? > *******************************************? >? ? Robin Niewold? robin@protypeonline.com? ? Pro-Type Printing, Inc.? 130 N. Market Street? Paxton, IL 60957? 217.379.4715? ? Wright Printing Company? 203 North Street? Normal, IL 61761? 309.452.4409? ? ? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Mon Jul 7 15:26:24 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Mon Jul 7 15:26:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners In-Reply-To: <003501c8e054$1ce14860$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> Message-ID: We use tape too. We just set the crop marks out one inch further all the way around, cut on those crops, and lay the tape against the edge (the tape is also one inch). Then we just fold the puppy over and we're ready to go. Its pretty easy, and works great. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Shawn O'Neal > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:08:39 -0400 > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We use both taped banners and sewn hems. The sewing is outsourced to an > outfit that has it down to a science but turnaround is 3 extra days. I think > taping is just as good but the perception is that sewing is better. Also we > can not install webbing for D rings etc with tape. > > Shawn > > Conestoga dpi > 717-389-0350 > www.conestogadpi.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:22 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Shawn, what do you use for your sewn hem? I have just been using > banner tape but believe that sewing is much better and have been > contemplating some sort of sewing machine. > > Greg > > On Jul 3, 2008, at 3:09 PM, Shawn O'Neal wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> They would be about $45 each printed on 13 oz vinyl with eco- >> friendly UV >> cured inks. Sewn Hem and grommets every 2' and on corners. Medium ink >> coverage full color. Shipping and artwork not included. >> >> Shawn O'Neal >> Conestoga dpi >> 246 N Lincoln Ave >> Lebanon, PA 17046 >> 717-389-0350 >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Charleson >> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:33 AM >> To: printowners@printweb.org >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I believe that some of you are in the banner business. I have a >> customer looking for 25 -35 Full Color Vinyl Banners - Size is 3' x >> 6' >> Would any of you like to give me pricing on this or a recommendation >> of what company to get pricing from. >> Thanks & Happy 4th! >> >> >> "Did you know...;. When you shop locally-owned businesses, your money >> is re-circulated over and over and creates up to 75% more tax revenue >> to our community and state." >> Tracy Charleson >> Commercial Press, Inc. >> 216 Cowan Road >> Canton, New York 13617 >> Phone: (315) 386-3431 >> Fax: (315) 386-5259 >> email: info@commercialpressink.com >> http://www.commercialpressink.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Mon Jul 7 15:27:50 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Mon Jul 7 15:29:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CPP650 copies and vinyl menu covers In-Reply-To: <20080707184644.89AC8FC5356@rb.enter.net> References: <20080707184644.89AC8FC5356@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: ..... Do I have to worry about the toner sticking to the vinyl????..... The '2008/2009 4C Practices & Pricing Study' was left face down on my vinyl topped desk. After some days under a pile of papers, the toner stuck to the vinyl desktop and the outside front cover of the survey was speckled with white spots where the base paper showed through. Ask John Stewart what machine printed this cover. > A good customer has a full color menu that we have had printed > offset in the past. That was B4 we went digital and got rid of the > offset equipment. > The job can easily be printed on our CPP650 and they only need 60 of > them (6 pages!) HOWEVER, the customer just recently purchased vinyl > menu covers/sleeves for the menus. Do I have to worry about the > toner sticking to the vinyl???? Talked with another printer to ask > them if they could print for us on their DI and they don't have time > but he thought we would be fine because of the different/newer toner > composition. We would love to do them on our 650 -- the possibility > of giving the customer just a few and have them try them out won't > work -- it is a big and busy restaurant and need all of them SOON! > And, if the toner comes off on the vinyl then I would get to > purchase new menu covers. > ?????? > Robin Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Mon Jul 7 15:32:31 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Mon Jul 7 15:33:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CPP650 copies and vinyl menu covers In-Reply-To: <20080707184644.89AC8FC5356@rb.enter.net> References: <20080707184644.89AC8FC5356@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: I forgot to mention that the plasticizer in the desktop's vinyl might be the culprit. Are the menu covers hard polyvinylchloride or soft PVC? Why not borrow a menu cover and experiment? ..... Do I have to worry about the toner sticking to the vinyl????..... The '2008/2009 4C Practices & Pricing Study' was left face down on my vinyl topped desk. After some days under a pile of papers, the toner stuck to the vinyl desktop and the outside front cover of the survey was speckled with white spots where the base paper showed through. Ask John Stewart what machine printed this cover. > A good customer has a full color menu that we have had printed > offset in the past. That was B4 we went digital and got rid of the > offset equipment. > The job can easily be printed on our CPP650 and they only need 60 of > them (6 pages!) HOWEVER, the customer just recently purchased vinyl > menu covers/sleeves for the menus. Do I have to worry about the > toner sticking to the vinyl???? Talked with another printer to ask > them if they could print for us on their DI and they don't have time > but he thought we would be fine because of the different/newer toner > composition. We would love to do them on our 650 -- the possibility > of giving the customer just a few and have them try them out won't > work -- it is a big and busy restaurant and need all of them SOON! > And, if the toner comes off on the vinyl then I would get to > purchase new menu covers. > ?????? > Robin Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From copythatnyc at aol.com Mon Jul 7 15:39:50 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Mon Jul 7 15:40:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CAAE805AAF7898-F3C-1B5C@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> Borzou, you should use 1?" min. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Borzou Azabdaftari To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 3:26 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We use tape too. We just set the crop marks out one inch further all the way around, cut on those crops, and lay the tape against the edge (the tape is also one inch). Then we just fold the puppy over and we're ready to go. Its pretty easy, and works great. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Shawn O'Neal > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:08:39 -0400 > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We use both taped banners and sewn hems. The sewing is outsourced to an > outfit that has it down to a science but turnaround is 3 extra days. I think > taping is just as good but the perception is that sewing is better. Also we > can not install webbing for D rings etc with tape. > > Shawn > > Conestoga dpi > 717-389-0350 > www.conestogadpi.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:22 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Shawn, what do you use for your sewn hem? I have just been using > banner tape but believe that sewing is much better and have been > contemplating some sort of sewing machine. > > Greg > > On Jul 3, 2008, at 3:09 PM, Shawn O'Neal wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> They would be about $45 each printed on 13 oz vinyl with eco- >> friendly UV >> cured inks. Sewn Hem and grommets every 2' and on corners. Medium ink >> coverage full color. Shipping and artwork not included. >> >> Shawn O'Neal >> Conestoga dpi >> 246 N Lincoln Ave >> Lebanon, PA 17046 >> 717-389-0350 >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Charleson >> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:33 AM >> To: printowners@printweb.org >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Full Color Banners >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I believe that some of you are in the banner business. I have a >> customer looking for 25 -35 Full Color Vinyl Banners - Size is 3' x >> 6' >> Would any of you like to give me pricing on this or a recommendation >> of what company to get pricing from. >> Thanks & Happy 4th! >> >> >> "Did you know...;. When you shop locally-owned businesses, your money >> is re-circulated over and over and creates up to 75% more tax revenue >> to our community and state." >> Tracy Charleson >> Commercial Press, Inc. >> 216 Cowan Road >> Canton, New York 13617 >> Phone: (315) 386-3431 >> Fax: (315) 386-5259 >> email: info@commercialpressink.com >> http://www.commercialpressink.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From rmeier at goinsty.com Mon Jul 7 15:44:36 2008 From: rmeier at goinsty.com (R. Meier) Date: Mon Jul 7 15:44:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rosback Clipper I Corner Trimmer In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0807071139w517c9c71u5df913529e1e5bbf@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0807071139w517c9c71u5df913529e1e5bbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48727224.9090201@goinsty.com> I'm looking for a little better corner rounding. Can anyone give me some feedback about this device or one you are happy with? Thanks, Rob Meier -- _____________________________ Rob Meier Insty-Prints 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-1959 From char at themasterspress.com Mon Jul 7 15:49:34 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Mon Jul 7 15:49:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rosback Clipper I Corner Trimmer In-Reply-To: <48727224.9090201@goinsty.com> References: <98f5b19a0807071139w517c9c71u5df913529e1e5bbf@mail.gmail.com> <48727224.9090201@goinsty.com> Message-ID: <015801c8e06a$9d095990$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Rob, I like it pretty well and it is fast and clean but very limited on the sizes. When I got mine the guy told me they were making larger dies soon and then they sold the whole company to Rosback. Last I looked they did not have 1/4 and 1/2 inch which are my most popular sizes. So I would check that out carefully. Other than that it is a pretty slick machine for very small cornering. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of R. Meier Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 2:45 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Rosback Clipper I Corner Trimmer ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I'm looking for a little better corner rounding. Can anyone give me some feedback about this device or one you are happy with? Thanks, Rob Meier -- _____________________________ Rob Meier Insty-Prints 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-1959 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3247 (20080707) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3247 (20080707) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From rmeier at goinsty.com Mon Jul 7 15:52:17 2008 From: rmeier at goinsty.com (R. Meier) Date: Mon Jul 7 15:53:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 9.5" x 12.5" OE Window In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0807071139w517c9c71u5df913529e1e5bbf@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0807071139w517c9c71u5df913529e1e5bbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <487273F1.9060806@goinsty.com> I'm looking for a 9.5" x 12.5" OE catalog with a window. Only need 500-1000 but I'm finding they are a special make from everyone I can think of asking. Any ideas? Thanks -- _____________________________ Rob Meier Insty-Prints 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-1959 From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Mon Jul 7 15:59:10 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Mon Jul 7 15:59:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rosback Clipper I Corner Trimmer In-Reply-To: <015801c8e06a$9d095990$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: I don't know about the Rosback one, but if you're looking for a manual one, we have this, and we LOVE it. http://www.ishoppapercutters.com/product/Lassco-CR-177-Corner-Rounder Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Charlene Sims > Organization: The Master's Press > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 14:49:34 -0500 > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Rosback Clipper I Corner Trimmer > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Rob, I like it pretty well and it is fast and clean but very limited on the > sizes. When I got mine the guy told me they were making larger dies soon > and then they sold the whole company to Rosback. Last I looked they did not > have 1/4 and 1/2 inch which are my most popular sizes. So I would check > that out carefully. Other than that it is a pretty slick machine for very > small cornering. > ch > > Charlene Sims > President > The Master's Press, Inc. > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > www.TheMastersPress.com > char@themasterspress.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of R. Meier > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 2:45 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Rosback Clipper I Corner Trimmer > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'm looking for a little better corner rounding. Can anyone give me some > feedback about this device or one you are happy with? > > Thanks, > Rob Meier > > -- > _____________________________ > > Rob Meier > > Insty-Prints > 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. > Eau Claire, WI 54701 > (715) 835-1959 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 3247 (20080707) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 3247 (20080707) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From prtquick at eos.net Mon Jul 7 16:27:48 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Mon Jul 7 16:26:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thermography (larger sizes) In-Reply-To: References: <20080707184644.9F958FC5358@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <5C99B466-E5E0-4206-9BF3-B5794FC4FE11@eos.net> Does anyone have a source for printing large sheets (11x17) in thermorgaphy? Most job shops near me only do smaller sizes. I had a hard time finding one to do 8.5x14. Thanks! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing From char at themasterspress.com Mon Jul 7 16:44:30 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Mon Jul 7 16:44:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thermography (larger sizes) In-Reply-To: <5C99B466-E5E0-4206-9BF3-B5794FC4FE11@eos.net> References: <20080707184644.9F958FC5358@rb.enter.net> <5C99B466-E5E0-4206-9BF3-B5794FC4FE11@eos.net> Message-ID: <017101c8e072$40fff930$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Scott you might call DOT here in Dallas. I know they have presses that will do 12 x 18 sheets and they do customer provided stock but most I have ever done is 8.5 x 11. Their number is 972-701-0968. Amy sometimes is on the list but not everyday. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Finke Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 3:28 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Thermography (larger sizes) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does anyone have a source for printing large sheets (11x17) in thermorgaphy? Most job shops near me only do smaller sizes. I had a hard time finding one to do 8.5x14. Thanks! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3247 (20080707) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3247 (20080707) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From ron at printingconcepts.com Mon Jul 7 17:09:55 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Mon Jul 7 17:10:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] SMALL CUTTER RECOMMENDATION Message-ID: We have 45" cutters but are looking for a small used cutter to put near the operation that needs cutting. Something like 20" so we could cut two stacks of 8.5 x 11 would be OK. We have located an older Polar 21" for $2800 (probably circa 1987) and a five year old Challenge "Titan" 20" for $7500. The Titan is supposedly only for 4 hours operation per day, which makes me wonder about its durability. Anyone with any suggestions regarding these two or any other recommendations. We need programming, a push out, safety, and a small footprint. TIA Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons" "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, and of the merchants a merchant." RALPH WALDO EMERSON Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From bob at rjmprinting.com Mon Jul 7 17:16:17 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Mon Jul 7 17:16:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] SMALL CUTTER RECOMMENDATION In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Based on experience with Challenge and Polar I would buy the Polar. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 4:10 PM To: printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] SMALL CUTTER RECOMMENDATION ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have 45" cutters but are looking for a small used cutter to put near the operation that needs cutting. Something like 20" so we could cut two stacks of 8.5 x 11 would be OK. We have located an older Polar 21" for $2800 (probably circa 1987) and a five year old Challenge "Titan" 20" for $7500. The Titan is supposedly only for 4 hours operation per day, which makes me wonder about its durability. Anyone with any suggestions regarding these two or any other recommendations. We need programming, a push out, safety, and a small footprint. TIA Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons" "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, and of the merchants a merchant." RALPH WALDO EMERSON Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From prtquick at eos.net Mon Jul 7 16:28:39 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Mon Jul 7 19:31:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 9.5" x 12.5" OE Window In-Reply-To: <487273F1.9060806@goinsty.com> References: <98f5b19a0807071139w517c9c71u5df913529e1e5bbf@mail.gmail.com> <487273F1.9060806@goinsty.com> Message-ID: Have you tried Western States Envelopes? Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing ? On Jul 7, 2008, at 3:52 PM, R. Meier wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'm looking for a 9.5" x 12.5" OE catalog with a window. Only need > 500-1000 but I'm finding they are a special make from everyone I > can think of asking. Any ideas? > > Thanks > > -- > _____________________________ > > Rob Meier > > Insty-Prints > 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. > Eau Claire, WI 54701 > (715) 835-1959 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From StevePrint at aol.com Mon Jul 7 20:14:41 2008 From: StevePrint at aol.com (StevePrint@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 7 20:14:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 9.5" x 12.5" OE Window Message-ID: Try Jet Envelope for custom sizes. Bay Business Printing _www.iorderprinting.com_ (http://www.iorderprinting.com) **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 08:24:08 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue Jul 8 08:24:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thermography (larger sizes) In-Reply-To: <5C99B466-E5E0-4206-9BF3-B5794FC4FE11@eos.net> References: <20080707184644.9F958FC5358@rb.enter.net> <5C99B466-E5E0-4206-9BF3-B5794FC4FE11@eos.net> Message-ID: <83d5b9620807080524q5bd9a187q2cbea9ce9c1e1631@mail.gmail.com> I know BCT in Indy has the equipment to do 11x17 thermo. Don't know if they are interested or willing to do it however. You might give them a call. BCT Indianapolis (317) 898-6688 www.bctindy.com -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Scott said: > Does anyone have a source for printing large sheets (11x17) in thermorgaphy? > Most job shops near me only do smaller sizes. I had a hard time finding one > to do 8.5x14. From xeroid at kos.net Tue Jul 8 11:19:44 2008 From: xeroid at kos.net (Wayne) Date: Tue Jul 8 11:19:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Stationary or Stationery ? References: <20080707184644.9F958FC5358@rb.enter.net><5C99B466-E5E0-4206-9BF3-B5794FC4FE11@eos.net> <83d5b9620807080524q5bd9a187q2cbea9ce9c1e1631@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <009c01c8e10e$0dd984d0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> Doing an email campaign and want to check how to spell Business Stationary ( Canada ) Printing for Less Dot Com spells it Stationary Vista Print Dot Com spells it Stationery Which is correct? Thanks Wayne Stevenhaagen Kingston, ON, Canada From kevin at proprinters.ca Tue Jul 8 11:32:15 2008 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin at PRO Printers) Date: Tue Jul 8 11:32:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Stationary or Stationery ? References: <20080707184644.9F958FC5358@rb.enter.net><5C99B466-E5E0-4206-9BF3-B5794FC4FE11@eos.net><83d5b9620807080524q5bd9a187q2cbea9ce9c1e1631@mail.gmail.com> <009c01c8e10e$0dd984d0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> Message-ID: <006301c8e10f$ce52a1a0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> StationEry is correct. I always remember it by thinking of Envelopes. StationAry is fixed in one place, motionless. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Stationary or Stationery ? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Doing an email campaign and want to check how to spell Business Stationary > ( Canada ) > > Printing for Less Dot Com spells it Stationary > > Vista Print Dot Com spells it Stationery > > Which is correct? > > > > > Thanks > Wayne Stevenhaagen > Kingston, ON, Canada > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 11:36:08 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Jul 8 11:36:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Stationary or Stationery ? In-Reply-To: <009c01c8e10e$0dd984d0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> References: <20080707184644.9F958FC5358@rb.enter.net> <5C99B466-E5E0-4206-9BF3-B5794FC4FE11@eos.net> <83d5b9620807080524q5bd9a187q2cbea9ce9c1e1631@mail.gmail.com> <009c01c8e10e$0dd984d0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0807080836k5e0d0f7em4d7357785143ffa6@mail.gmail.com> Stationery is correct. Stationary means immobile. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Wayne wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Doing an email campaign and want to check how to spell Business Stationary > ( Canada ) > > Printing for Less Dot Com spells it Stationary > > Vista Print Dot Com spells it Stationery > > Which is correct? > > > > > Thanks > Wayne Stevenhaagen > Kingston, ON, Canada > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Jul 8 11:49:44 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Jul 8 11:49:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Stationary or Stationery ? In-Reply-To: <009c01c8e10e$0dd984d0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> References: <20080707184644.9F958FC5358@rb.enter.net><5C99B466-E5E0-4206-9BF3-B5794FC4FE11@eos.net> <83d5b9620807080524q5bd9a187q2cbea9ce9c1e1631@mail.gmail.com> <009c01c8e10e$0dd984d0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> Message-ID: <8CAAF2960584D1B-16AC-1B2D@webmail-md06.sysops.aol.com> The one that says stationary. This has been going on for sheez. We spell it both ways. Depends on who is typing it. Both work. Spell incorrectly & use the spell check. It will show you both versions. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Wayne To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:19 am Subject: [PrintOwners] Stationary or Stationery ? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Doing an email campaign and want to check how to spell Business Stationary ( Canada )? ? Printing for Less Dot Com spells it Stationary? ? Vista Print Dot Com spells it Stationery? ? Which is correct?? ? ? Thanks? Wayne Stevenhaagen? Kingston, ON, Canada? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Jul 8 11:50:20 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Jul 8 11:50:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Stationary or Stationery ? In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0807080836k5e0d0f7em4d7357785143ffa6@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080707184644.9F958FC5358@rb.enter.net> <5C99B466-E5E0-4206-9BF3-B5794FC4FE11@eos.net> <83d5b9620807080524q5bd9a187q2cbea9ce9c1e1631@mail.gmail.com> <009c01c8e10e$0dd984d0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> <98f5b19a0807080836k5e0d0f7em4d7357785143ffa6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CAAF2975AC42E9-16AC-1B3C@webmail-md06.sysops.aol.com> Hmm my bad Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Vogel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:36 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Stationary or Stationery ? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Stationery is correct. Stationary means immobile. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Wayne wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Doing an email campaign and want to check how to spell Business Stationary > ( Canada ) > > Printing for Less Dot Com spells it Stationary > > Vista Print Dot Com spells it Stationery > > Which is correct? > > > > > Thanks > Wayne Stevenhaagen > Kingston, ON, Canada > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kellycrom at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 11:54:37 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Tue Jul 8 11:54:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Stationary or Stationery ? In-Reply-To: <009c01c8e10e$0dd984d0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> References: <20080707184644.9F958FC5358@rb.enter.net><5C99B466-E5E0-4206-9BF3-B5794FC4FE11@eos.net><83d5b9620807080524q5bd9a187q2cbea9ce9c1e1631@mail.gmail.com> <009c01c8e10e$0dd984d0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> Message-ID: <008801c8e112$ed8eaa70$6d01a8c0@KELLY> An easy way to remember the correct spelling is that paper and stationery both have an "e" in them. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Wayne > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:20 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Stationary or Stationery ? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Doing an email campaign and want to check how to spell > Business Stationary > ( Canada ) > > Printing for Less Dot Com spells it Stationary > > Vista Print Dot Com spells it Stationery > > Which is correct? > > > > > Thanks > Wayne Stevenhaagen > Kingston, ON, Canada > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 11:58:56 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Jul 8 11:59:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Stationary or Stationery ? In-Reply-To: <8CAAF2960584D1B-16AC-1B2D@webmail-md06.sysops.aol.com> References: <20080707184644.9F958FC5358@rb.enter.net> <5C99B466-E5E0-4206-9BF3-B5794FC4FE11@eos.net> <83d5b9620807080524q5bd9a187q2cbea9ce9c1e1631@mail.gmail.com> <009c01c8e10e$0dd984d0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> <8CAAF2960584D1B-16AC-1B2D@webmail-md06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0807080858g5e651872sb7e8d94d15bdc454@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Tommy Melendez wrote: > > The one that says stationary. This has been going on for sheez. We spell it > both ways. Depends on who is typing it. Both work. Both "work" only because so many people can't spell. Spellcheckers cannot catch the misspelling because it is contextual; both are correct words, but only one spelling -- stationery -- refers to writing paper. Then again, if you were to glue a box of stationery to the inside of your desk drawer so that it couldn't be moved, said stationery would also become stationary. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Jul 8 12:43:13 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Jul 8 12:43:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thermography (larger sizes) In-Reply-To: <5C99B466-E5E0-4206-9BF3-B5794FC4FE11@eos.net> References: <20080707184644.9F958FC5358@rb.enter.net> <5C99B466-E5E0-4206-9BF3-B5794FC4FE11@eos.net> Message-ID: <8CAAF30D961453F-16AC-2062@webmail-md06.sysops.aol.com> Oversize thermo. Contact Mike @ 718.937.2200 Can do it in 4/0 also Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Finke To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 4:27 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] Thermography (larger sizes) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Does anyone have a source for printing large sheets (11x17) in thermorgaphy?? Most job shops near me only do smaller sizes. I had a hard time finding one to do 8.5x14.? ? Thanks!? ? Scott Finke? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -? Visit our new location!? ? Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc.? 8630 Winton Road? Cincinnati, Ohio 45231? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -? Phone: (513) 522.2679? Fax (513) 522.2692? Email: info@brentwood-printing.com? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -? www.Brentwood-Printing.com? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -? Send us your file at:? http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -? Quick. Quality. Printing? ? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From char at themasterspress.com Tue Jul 8 13:09:36 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue Jul 8 13:09:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Danka and Konica Message-ID: <009e01c8e11d$6773c280$0b01a8c0@CharXP> There is a good article in "What They Think" about the Konica buying Danka deal, just in case someone wants to look at it. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue Jul 8 13:29:29 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Tue Jul 8 13:29:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Danka and Konica In-Reply-To: <009e01c8e11d$6773c280$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <009e01c8e11d$6773c280$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <010301c8e120$2d69f160$6501a8c0@coranew> No link Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 854-0321 Fax (Call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 12:10 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Danka and Konica ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** There is a good article in "What They Think" about the Konica buying Danka deal, just in case someone wants to look at it. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3250 (20080708) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From kellycrom at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 14:53:14 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Tue Jul 8 14:52:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mac OS permissions question Message-ID: <00ba01c8e12b$e12b8c30$6d01a8c0@KELLY> I am much more of a Windows tech-head, so I am having a little difficulty finding the answer to my pre-press dept's issue. Where on their workstations(all Mac), and/or my Mac OS server can you make a global setting to any file created on the workstations(ie Quark, Adobe, etc) will be open to every other user to read&write? Currently, I think they have been either going back to the original workstation the file has been created on, or having that person select "get info" on the file and changing the permission for the individual file. This has also been an issue of the user has created and emailed a file to another where the read/write hasn't been changed before emailing. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! From goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com Tue Jul 8 19:37:46 2008 From: goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com (Goodway Print and Copy) Date: Tue Jul 8 19:37:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] need source to change docs to html Message-ID: <00f901c8e153$a0967810$660000c8@LeslieXP> Does someone have a source to change docs into html for customer? Leslie McDonald GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. 15121 Ventura Blvd. Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Phone:(818) 783-5172 Fax:(818)783-8649 goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com www.goodwayprintcopy.com From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Tue Jul 8 20:04:51 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (Larry Taylor) Date: Tue Jul 8 20:05:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Payroll percentage Message-ID: To be honest with you, I don't know how it's possible to pay 30% for payroll. In the 80's, according to Larry Hunt's notes in QP July 2008, p. 31...pay was 23.1% for single shops. Today, it's 30.7%. For those whose payrolls which have followed that uptrend.....can you suggest what you think is the reason? If you have a small shop doing 1/2 million, that would be $150K for payroll. Which would be 3 employees at $30K each, and $60K for the owner possibly...assuming the average $125K spe. Is that a realistic set of numbers? Thanks, LT Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 85711 From Susan at cdandp.net Tue Jul 8 20:16:04 2008 From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton) Date: Tue Jul 8 20:18:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Payroll percentage References: Message-ID: <003601c8e158$fbddfc20$8302a8c0@Robbin> Larry, Health insurance should be included in payroll expenses and, in my case, is the biggest reason my payroll percentages are too high. Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, VA 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Taylor" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:04 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Payroll percentage > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > To be honest with you, I don't know how it's possible to pay 30% for > payroll. In the 80's, according to Larry Hunt's notes in QP July 2008, p. > 31...pay was 23.1% for single shops. Today, it's 30.7%. > > For those whose payrolls which have followed that uptrend.....can you > suggest what you think is the reason? > > If you have a small shop doing 1/2 million, that would be $150K for > payroll. Which would be 3 employees at $30K each, and $60K for the owner > possibly...assuming the average $125K spe. > > Is that a realistic set of numbers? > > Thanks, > LT > > > Larry Taylor > Desert Pacific Printing > Tucson, AZ 85711 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3252 (20080708) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Tue Jul 8 20:25:45 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt) Date: Tue Jul 8 20:25:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Payroll percentage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/8/08 7:04 PM, "Larry Taylor" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > To be honest with you, I don't know how it's possible to pay 30% for > payroll. In the 80's, according to Larry Hunt's notes in QP July 2008, p. > 31...pay was 23.1% for single shops. Today, it's 30.7%. > > For those whose payrolls which have followed that uptrend.....can you > suggest what you think is the reason? > > If you have a small shop doing 1/2 million, that would be $150K for payroll. > Which would be 3 employees at $30K each, and $60K for the owner > possibly...assuming the average $125K spe. > > Is that a realistic set of numbers? My take on the payroll % is that it should be in the low 20%'s without the owner's compensation. We should do $600K this year with 3 employees plus myself. I have a manager at $40K plus, a press operator at a little over $32k and a person at $10.50/hr who will be leaving next February. I will try to replace her with a similarly paid all around "helper" person. My payroll % without me is around 22 or 23%. If it is in the 30% range not including the owner, I would guess you are over-staffed or you are paying very high wages or both. Cyndy Cyndy Harkins Pioneer Printing Inc. Lincoln NE 402-483-7575 From armand at curryonline.com Tue Jul 8 22:58:17 2008 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Tue Jul 8 22:58:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Stationary or Stationery ? In-Reply-To: <008801c8e112$ed8eaa70$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <20080707184644.9F958FC5358@rb.enter.net><5C99B466-E5E0-4206-9BF3-B5794FC4FE11@eos.net><83d5b9620807080524q5bd9a187q2cbea9ce9c1e1631@mail.gmail.com> <009c01c8e10e$0dd984d0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> <008801c8e112$ed8eaa70$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <48742949.5020701@curryonline.com> Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > An easy way to remember the correct spelling is that paper and stationery > both have an "e" in them. > > But paper and stationary both have an A in them! I always remembered which is correct because you use a pen (or pencil) to write with and pen (or pencil) has an e in it. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing Auburn, ME 04210 armand@curryonline.com From communicar at aol.com Wed Jul 9 00:06:32 2008 From: communicar at aol.com (communicar@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 9 00:06:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Stationary or Stationery ? In-Reply-To: <48742949.5020701@curryonline.com> References: <20080707184644.9F958FC5358@rb.enter.net><5C99B466-E5E0-4206-9BF3-B5794FC4FE11@eos.net><83d5b9620807080524q5bd9a187q2cbea9ce9c1e1631@mail.gmail.com> <009c01c8e10e$0dd984d0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> <008801c8e112$ed8eaa70$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <48742949.5020701@curryonline.com> Message-ID: <8CAAF904E0613C0-E94-3F19@webmail-nd02.sysops.aol.com> StationEry is what you use for lEttErs, according to my wife, who was a journalism minor. Ken Azebu Communicart Graphics & Printing 499 Aldo Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408) 970-0922 (408) 970-8630 Fax -----Original Message----- From: Armand Girard To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 7:58 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Stationary or Stationery ? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics wrote:? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > An easy way to remember the correct spelling is that paper and stationery? > both have an "e" in them.? >? > But paper and stationary both have an A in them!? ? I always remembered which is correct because you use a pen (or pencil) to write with and pen (or pencil) has an e in it.? ? Armand Girard? Curry Printing & Mailing? Auburn, ME 04210? armand@curryonline.com? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From bherion at bucksdigital.com Wed Jul 9 07:17:32 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Wed Jul 9 07:17:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: need source to change docs to html Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080709071727.033e98a0@bucksdigital.com> Leslie, A doc can be saved as html directly out of MS Word. The "save as" function allows you to select for web. If there are many files to convert, I can think of at least one way using Acrobat. Highlight all docs and combine in Acrobat as a single file. Then, save as web from there. I haven't googled, but I'll bet there is a cheap or free program that will batch convert, as well. Hope that helps. At 12:06 AM 7/9/2008, you wrote: >Does someone have a source to change docs into html for customer? > > >Leslie McDonald >GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From jeff at hprinting.biz Wed Jul 9 08:00:17 2008 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Wed Jul 9 08:00:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Payroll percentage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080709120017.18695.12911@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 08:25 PM 7/8/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >On 7/8/08 7:04 PM, "Larry Taylor" wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > To be honest with you, I don't know how it's possible to pay 30% for > > payroll. In the 80's, according to Larry Hunt's notes in QP July 2008, p. > > 31...pay was 23.1% for single shops. Today, it's 30.7%. > > > > For those whose payrolls which have followed that uptrend.....can you > > suggest what you think is the reason? > > > > If you have a small shop doing 1/2 million, > that would be $150K for payroll. > > Which would be 3 employees at $30K each, and $60K for the owner > > possibly...assuming the average $125K spe. > > > > Is that a realistic set of numbers? > >My take on the payroll % is that it should be in the low 20%'s without the >owner's compensation. We should do $600K this year with 3 employees plus >myself. I have a manager at $40K plus, a press operator at a little over >$32k and a person at $10.50/hr who will be leaving next February. I will try >to replace her with a similarly paid all around "helper" person. My payroll >% without me is around 22 or 23%. > >If it is in the 30% range not including the owner, I would guess you are >over-staffed or you are paying very high wages or both. Our payroll and employee expenses without myself is 17.1%. I feel my employees are better paid than most, but the also work harder than most places. All are extremely cross trained which helps a lot to keep the number of employees down. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From jdaghir at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 08:47:48 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Wed Jul 9 08:47:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Payroll percentage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83d5b9620807090547h2434e0bcj9851d3d8bb9e469c@mail.gmail.com> I'm not entirely sure if this is a rhetorical question intended to goad us into evaluating our labor as a percentage of sales or if you really are asking why the average labor as a percentage of sales has risen in the last 20 years. Assuming it's the latter then I would say the increase in labor as a percent of sales is mostly likely caused by wage increases outpacing price increases. In other words the industry as an average has given our employees raises and didn't fully pass the cost of those raises on to our customers. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Larry said: > To be honest with you, I don't know how it's possible to pay 30% for > payroll. In the 80's, according to Larry Hunt's notes in QP July 2008, p. > 31...pay was 23.1% for single shops. Today, it's 30.7%. > > For those whose payrolls which have followed that uptrend.....can you > suggest what you think is the reason? From jeff at hprinting.biz Wed Jul 9 08:56:47 2008 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Wed Jul 9 08:56:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Payroll percentage In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620807090547h2434e0bcj9851d3d8bb9e469c@mail.gmail.co m> References: <83d5b9620807090547h2434e0bcj9851d3d8bb9e469c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080709125647.26210.464@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 08:47 AM 7/9/2008, you wrote: >I'm not entirely sure if this is a rhetorical question intended to >goad us into evaluating our labor as a percentage of sales or if you >really are asking why the average labor as a percentage of sales has >risen in the last 20 years. Assuming it's the latter then I would say >the increase in labor as a percent of sales is mostly likely caused by >wage increases outpacing price increases. In other words the industry >as an average has given our employees raises and didn't fully pass the >cost of those raises on to our customers. Our rose slightly last year, but that was after a numbers of years of dropping. I would say it rose last year because I wanted to be generous and reward my employees for their hard work. The years of dropping payroll % was due to increasing equipment efficiency. We bought more efficient equipment and increased sales using the same number of people. I started this printing company 11 years ago after selling my first successful printing company and relocating. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From craig at sutterprinting.com Wed Jul 9 11:14:06 2008 From: craig at sutterprinting.com (Craig Baise) Date: Wed Jul 9 11:14:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Copiere Search Int. Name change Message-ID: Copier Search International has also started using the name Copier Enterprises, Inc. be careful with this guy - contact me if you have questions Craig C. Baise Sutter Printing 916.446.0167 office www.sutterprinting.com From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Wed Jul 9 11:32:53 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Wed Jul 9 11:32:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Calendar In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620807090547h2434e0bcj9851d3d8bb9e469c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I have a client who wants the entire year calendar on the back of her business card. Do I have to lay this out, or can I get a template from somewhere? Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Wed Jul 9 11:55:24 2008 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Wed Jul 9 11:55:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Payroll percentage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I remember that an acceptable payroll number could be as high as around 32%, excluding owners compensation. I think profit leaders tend to be around 25-27%. Anything over 32-33% should demand your attention. That's how I remember John Stewart's narrative. Personally, I'd rather have a labor percentage of 31% and work hard as an owner, as oppossed to say having a rate of 27%, but working very hard for 60 hours a week. Bottom line - labor costs are extremely important and need to monitored carefully. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Larry Taylor Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:05 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Payroll percentage ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** To be honest with you, I don't know how it's possible to pay 30% for payroll. In the 80's, according to Larry Hunt's notes in QP July 2008, p. 31...pay was 23.1% for single shops. Today, it's 30.7%. For those whose payrolls which have followed that uptrend.....can you suggest what you think is the reason? If you have a small shop doing 1/2 million, that would be $150K for payroll. Which would be 3 employees at $30K each, and $60K for the owner possibly...assuming the average $125K spe. Is that a realistic set of numbers? Thanks, LT Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 85711 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1541 - Release Date: 7/8/2008 7:50 PM From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 12:23:02 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jul 9 12:23:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Payroll percentage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0807090923y25f8ecccvbfd7dc977a58ec9f@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Bernard Bahn wrote: I remember that an acceptable payroll number could be as high as around 32%, > excluding owners compensation. I think profit leaders tend to be around > 25-27%. Anything over 32-33% should demand your attention. That's how I > remember John Stewart's narrative. > > Personally, I'd rather have a labor percentage of 31% and work hard as an > owner, as oppossed to say having a rate of 27%, but working very hard for > 60 > hours a week. > I think your recollections of JS's numbers is a little off. Using your acceptable numbers, a shop doing $1MM with an SPE of $125k would have an "acceptable" payroll of up to $330k, yielding 8 employees at an average of $41,250 per year each. With an SPE of $143,000, there would be 7 employees averaging over $47,000 each. The only alternative to these unrealistically high for our industry average wages would be sub-par SPE numbers. With a labor percentage of 31%, I would not only *not* expect to work hard as an owner, I'd expect to be able to be an absentee one! > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon From Nancy at printingresources.com Wed Jul 9 12:35:17 2008 From: Nancy at printingresources.com (Nancy Dediemar) Date: Wed Jul 9 12:35:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Payroll percentage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The labor category includes all labor-related costs including wages, payroll-related taxes, workers compensation insurance and benefits like health insurance. No matter where a print shop is located, the playing field is relatively level for wages and payroll-related taxes. However, there can be significant differences state-to-state in workers compensation insurance rates, and health insurance premiums for older workers are markedly higher. Also, the longer-tenured a worker is, the more likely s/he is to be at the top of the wage range for their position. So while the print shop gets a productivity benefit from having workers with many years of service, the benefit can be partially offset by increased labor costs. In the end, you have to view all operating ratios together. The aim is to get to that magic 20-25% income before owners compensation. A labor rate of 30% can be offset by overhead at 20%, which can be achieved by controlling fixed costs and debt service. Bernie's point about controlling labor costs by having the owner account for 1.5 or 2 FTEs is a good point, and one that isn't talked about much. So a worthy goal for shop management might be to have a labor rate of 30% and a working owner who has a 40-45 hour work week. Nancy DeDiemar Printing Resources of Southern California 893 W 9th St, Upland, CA 91786 909/981-5715 phone 909/981-9396 FAX http://www.printingresources.com mailto:nancy@printingresources.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bernard Bahn Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 8:55 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Payroll percentage ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I remember that an acceptable payroll number could be as high as around 32%, excluding owners compensation. I think profit leaders tend to be around 25-27%. Anything over 32-33% should demand your attention. That's how I remember John Stewart's narrative. Personally, I'd rather have a labor percentage of 31% and work hard as an owner, as oppossed to say having a rate of 27%, but working very hard for 60 hours a week. Bottom line - labor costs are extremely important and need to monitored carefully. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Larry Taylor Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:05 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Payroll percentage ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** To be honest with you, I don't know how it's possible to pay 30% for payroll. In the 80's, according to Larry Hunt's notes in QP July 2008, p. 31...pay was 23.1% for single shops. Today, it's 30.7%. For those whose payrolls which have followed that uptrend.....can you suggest what you think is the reason? If you have a small shop doing 1/2 million, that would be $150K for payroll. Which would be 3 employees at $30K each, and $60K for the owner possibly...assuming the average $125K spe. Is that a realistic set of numbers? Thanks, LT Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 85711 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1541 - Release Date: 7/8/2008 7:50 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From tomk at kingprintingonline.com Wed Jul 9 13:07:49 2008 From: tomk at kingprintingonline.com (Tom King) Date: Wed Jul 9 13:08:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Help Needed Message-ID: <004001c8e1e6$50e03de0$f2a0b9a0$@com> Customer set up an Excel project with many worksheets (those little tabs at the bottom). I cannot print the worksheets two sided, no matter what. Any advice? Thanks! Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 9 13:16:18 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Wed Jul 9 13:16:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Payroll percentage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24FCFC84-9D10-42F0-AADD-CB557A8CF32F@bellsouth.net> Nancy, All good points! The percent of labor costs an owner is willing to pay does come down at some point to a personal choice. For instance, mine is around 33%. This percentage includes a matching 401K plan, my company covering 100% of employee's health premiums and company wide bonuses based on sales goals. Many of my employees have been with me 10 years or more. Very little turnover. They possess great job skills and give excellent customer service. They would have a very hard time finding a printing company that would be willing to pay them what they make here. In return, for 6 or 7 months each year, I come in at 9am or so and leave around 2pm. I am heavily involved with my two son's youth baseball teams and typically coach two teams twice a year (Spring & Fall). This doesn't include times when I just stay home to work on projects around the house, or take vacations. When I am gone, the company does not miss a beat! I don't worry about anything. At this stage of my life, I gladly accept the higher percentage of payroll cost in order to spend extra time with my family. My oldest starts college this year. My youngest has 3 years of high school left. When he moves on to college, I will work more hours and bring down the payroll percentages some. But for now, I wouldn't change a thing. However, I am working on other ways to bring the payroll costs down as a percentage now, which include more sales, reducing costs and higher margins. But working more hours myself is not one of them... Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Jul 9, 2008, at 12:35 PM, Nancy Dediemar wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The labor category includes all labor-related costs including wages, > payroll-related taxes, workers compensation insurance and benefits > like > health insurance. No matter where a print shop is located, the playing > field is relatively level for wages and payroll-related taxes. > However, > there can be significant differences state-to-state in workers > compensation insurance rates, and health insurance premiums for older > workers are markedly higher. Also, the longer-tenured a worker is, the > more likely s/he is to be at the top of the wage range for their > position. So while the print shop gets a productivity benefit from > having workers with many years of service, the benefit can be > partially > offset by increased labor costs. > > In the end, you have to view all operating ratios together. The aim is > to get to that magic 20-25% income before owners compensation. A labor > rate of 30% can be offset by overhead at 20%, which can be achieved by > controlling fixed costs and debt service. > > Bernie's point about controlling labor costs by having the owner > account > for 1.5 or 2 FTEs is a good point, and one that isn't talked about > much. > So a worthy goal for shop management might be to have a labor rate of > 30% and a working owner who has a 40-45 hour work week. > > > Nancy DeDiemar > Printing Resources of Southern California > 893 W 9th St, Upland, CA 91786 > 909/981-5715 phone > 909/981-9396 FAX > http://www.printingresources.com > mailto:nancy@printingresources.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bernard Bahn > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 8:55 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Payroll percentage > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I remember that an acceptable payroll number could be as high as > around > 32%, > excluding owners compensation. I think profit leaders tend to be > around > 25-27%. Anything over 32-33% should demand your attention. That's > how I > remember John Stewart's narrative. > > Personally, I'd rather have a labor percentage of 31% and work hard as > an > owner, as oppossed to say having a rate of 27%, but working very hard > for 60 > hours a week. > > Bottom line - labor costs are extremely important and need to > monitored > carefully. > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc > 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 > > Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | > bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com > > http://www.creativeimaginginc.com > Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Larry Taylor > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:05 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Payroll percentage > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > To be honest with you, I don't know how it's possible to pay 30% for > payroll. In the 80's, according to Larry Hunt's notes in QP July > 2008, > p. > 31...pay was 23.1% for single shops. Today, it's 30.7%. > > For those whose payrolls which have followed that uptrend.....can you > suggest what you think is the reason? > > If you have a small shop doing 1/2 million, that would be $150K for > payroll. > Which would be 3 employees at $30K each, and $60K for the owner > possibly...assuming the average $125K spe. > > Is that a realistic set of numbers? > > Thanks, > LT > > > Larry Taylor > Desert Pacific Printing > Tucson, AZ 85711 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1541 - Release Date: > 7/8/2008 > 7:50 PM > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 9 13:19:59 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Wed Jul 9 13:20:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Help Needed In-Reply-To: <004001c8e1e6$50e03de0$f2a0b9a0$@com> References: <004001c8e1e6$50e03de0$f2a0b9a0$@com> Message-ID: Tom, Depends on the volume. I get similar jobs. If the quantity ordered justifies it, we will make pdf's of the files and print them two sided. If it is a small quantity, we sometimes just print 1 tab at a time, place it in the copier and print the next tab on the back. It is a pain, so we rarely do it this way, but it is an option. Or, if there are no screens or halftones, we print out a hard copy of each tab and run the job from the originals... Hope this helps... Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Jul 9, 2008, at 1:07 PM, Tom King wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Customer set up an Excel project with many worksheets (those little > tabs at > the bottom). I cannot print the worksheets two sided, no matter > what. Any > advice? > > Thanks! > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cpurvine1 at cox.net Wed Jul 9 13:44:17 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Wed Jul 9 13:44:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Calendar In-Reply-To: References: <83d5b9620807090547h2434e0bcj9851d3d8bb9e469c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004901c8e1eb$69202e60$6501a8c0@coranew> Publisher has them. Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 854-0321 Fax (Call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:33 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Calendar ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a client who wants the entire year calendar on the back of her business card. Do I have to lay this out, or can I get a template from somewhere? Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3255 (20080709) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Wed Jul 9 14:29:36 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Wed Jul 9 14:29:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] percentage of sales Message-ID: I'm not entirely sure if this is a rhetorical question intended to goad us into evaluating our labor as a percentage of sales or if you really are asking why the average labor as a percentage of sales has risen in the last 20 years. Assuming it's the latter then I would say the increase in labor as a percent of sales is mostly likely caused by wage increases outpacing price increases. In other words the industry as an average has given our employees raises and didn't fully pass the cost of those raises on to our customers. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" No....I'm simply repeating the numbers collected over the past 20 years. Ours have not changed, but the industry average has. So, with that in mind, I wanted input from those whose numbers HAVE changed to take a shot in the dark or speak from a position of authority as to why your numbers have increased. Best, Larry Desert Pacific printing Tucson From keli at parchmentpress.net Wed Jul 9 15:00:50 2008 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Wed Jul 9 15:00:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Calendar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48750AE2.6080905@parchmentpress.net> What year you want? Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a client who wants the entire year calendar on the back of her > business card. Do I have to lay this out, or can I get a template from > somewhere? > > Borzou Azabdaftari > Falcon Print and Copy > 1921 Gallows Road > Suite 150 > Vienna, VA 22182 > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From si at ria.net Wed Jul 9 15:57:04 2008 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Wed Jul 9 15:57:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Calendar In-Reply-To: References: <83d5b9620807090547h2434e0bcj9851d3d8bb9e469c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080709125741.3365236@dm37.mta.everyone.net> At 11:32 AM 7/9/2008, Borzou wrote: >I have a client who wants the entire year calendar on the back of her >business card. Do I have to lay this out, or can I get a template from >somewhere? 2008 version here ---> http://bit.ly/24Sxpz 2009 not up on the web yet. Doug Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Wed Jul 9 16:05:12 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Wed Jul 9 16:06:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Barcode software recommendations please In-Reply-To: <20080709190059.94207FCAE5A@rb.enter.net> References: <20080709190059.94207FCAE5A@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: We're looking at barcode creating software, Mac OSX 10.5.x Creating barcodes directly within CS3 sounds appealing and the ability to export as a PDF, vector EPS if necessary could be useful. Does anybody have recommendations? http://www.teacupsoftware.com/products/barcodemaker1_0.html Create barcodes directly in InDesign. USPS OneCode and Postnet BarcodeMaker $169 www.cristallight.com creates PDF or EPS files only iBarcoder 2.8 $30 http://www.snx.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=02156&Category_Code=BCP6 Not sure if USPS OneCode capable or output file type Bar Code Pro 6.0 $400 http://www.barcodesinc.com/free-barcode-font Code39 TrueType only $Free http://www.idautomation.com/fonts/universal/ includes Intelligent Mail, OneCode Solution, Postnet and Planet $200 http://www.intellisw.com/barcodeproducer/ creates PDF, EPS or TIFF files only $200 Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From rstor at copycats.com Wed Jul 9 16:08:25 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Wed Jul 9 16:09:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Great employee available for hire in Atlanta In-Reply-To: <004901c8e1eb$69202e60$6501a8c0@coranew> References: <83d5b9620807090547h2434e0bcj9851d3d8bb9e469c@mail.gmail.com> <004901c8e1eb$69202e60$6501a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <48751AB9.7010208@copycats.com> The manager of one of my retail shops is moving back to Atlanta. He will be looking for a job that starts in mid-August. In a managerial position this guy will add dollars to your bottom line. If you have an interest email off list or call me. Regards, Bob Stor rstor@copycats.com Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com From jacemeister at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 16:28:42 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Wed Jul 9 16:28:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] percentage of sales In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > No....I'm simply repeating the numbers collected over the past 20 years. > Ours have not changed, but the industry average has. So, with that in > mind, I wanted input from those whose numbers HAVE changed to > take a shot in the dark or speak from a position of authority as to > why your numbers have increased. > > Best, Larry > Our total payroll including insurance, benefits and workers comp was 24.22% for 2007. I plan to finish with the same or less in 2008. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com From info at desktopsxm.com Wed Jul 9 16:50:56 2008 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Wed Jul 9 16:50:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Calendar In-Reply-To: <20080709125741.3365236@dm37.mta.everyone.net> References: <83d5b9620807090547h2434e0bcj9851d3d8bb9e469c@mail.gmail.com> <20080709125741.3365236@dm37.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: we have already done this for our business card for 2009. We made a template years back so it is easy to change it every year. If you want us to send you our native file or in PDF format let me know. we also have for 2008 if you need. Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten Tel 542-4044 fax 543-1100 "The Printshop with a Difference" On Jul 9, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Doug Shelton wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > At 11:32 AM 7/9/2008, Borzou wrote: > >> I have a client who wants the entire year calendar on the back of her >> business card. Do I have to lay this out, or can I get a template >> from >> somewhere? > > 2008 version here ---> http://bit.ly/24Sxpz > > 2009 not up on the web yet. > > Doug > > Doug Shelton > Superior Impressions, Inc. > Toledo, Ohio > mailto:si@ria.net > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com Wed Jul 9 18:47:58 2008 From: goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com (Goodway Print and Copy) Date: Wed Jul 9 18:48:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] source for white plastic cards Message-ID: <009901c8e215$d60ac600$660000c8@LeslieXP> I have customer who needs 2000 4x6 white plastic (like dressing room cards at target)-with black numbers. 10 sets of 200- any suggestions? Leslie McDonald GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. 15121 Ventura Blvd. Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Phone:(818) 783-5172 Fax:(818)783-8649 goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com www.goodwayprintcopy.com From info at desktopsxm.com Wed Jul 9 19:07:35 2008 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Wed Jul 9 19:07:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] source for white plastic cards In-Reply-To: <009901c8e215$d60ac600$660000c8@LeslieXP> References: <009901c8e215$d60ac600$660000c8@LeslieXP> Message-ID: <7611BF5E-9AC2-4E0C-869C-D88E0CF95952@desktopsxm.com> PLASTICARD out of Miami. email address is PRINT@GATE.NET Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten Tel 542-4044 fax 543-1100 "The Printshop with a Difference" On Jul 9, 2008, at 6:47 PM, Goodway Print and Copy wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have customer who needs 2000 4x6 white plastic (like dressing > room cards > at target)-with black numbers. 10 sets of 200- any suggestions? > > Leslie McDonald > GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. > 15121 Ventura Blvd. > Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 > Phone:(818) 783-5172 > Fax:(818)783-8649 > goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com > www.goodwayprintcopy.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From stalprint at charter.net Wed Jul 9 22:06:46 2008 From: stalprint at charter.net (stalprint@charter.net) Date: Wed Jul 9 22:06:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] source for white plastic cards In-Reply-To: <009901c8e215$d60ac600$660000c8@LeslieXP> Message-ID: <20080709220646.3LO8R.323750.root@fepweb09> You might try Stouse http://www.stouse.com/Products/ParkingPermits/HangTagParkingPermits.html -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 Tel (828) 758-1126 Fax (828) 754-6734 ---- Goodway Print and Copy wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have customer who needs 2000 4x6 white plastic (like dressing room cards > at target)-with black numbers. 10 sets of 200- any suggestions? > > Leslie McDonald > GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. > 15121 Ventura Blvd. > Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 > Phone:(818) 783-5172 > Fax:(818)783-8649 > goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com > www.goodwayprintcopy.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From jdaghir at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 08:10:00 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Thu Jul 10 08:10:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] source for white plastic cards In-Reply-To: <009901c8e215$d60ac600$660000c8@LeslieXP> References: <009901c8e215$d60ac600$660000c8@LeslieXP> Message-ID: <83d5b9620807100510l6de54e7alcd878b47e3fc4e59@mail.gmail.com> You might consider printing & numbering on a color copier and then doing a 10 mil matte lamination. If you have the lamination trimmed flush and round corner the cards they'll look similar to plastic and should last a long time. Might be less expensive than having 10 sets of numbered plastic cards printed. Another possibility would be to find someone with a flat-bed solvent or uv inkjet that could print & number directly on the cards. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Leslie said: > I have customer who needs 2000 4x6 white plastic (like dressing room cards > at target)-with black numbers. 10 sets of 200- any suggestions? From bnjbriggs at juno.com Thu Jul 10 10:47:48 2008 From: bnjbriggs at juno.com (bnjbriggs@juno.com) Date: Thu Jul 10 10:49:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] UPS Problems Message-ID: <20080710.104748.29817.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> What's up with UPS these days? Is anybody have problems with deliveries to there shops? Let me explain. I have been open to the public at my present location since 1990. The previous drivers almost always came here by 1:30. You could almost set your watch by them. If I wasn't here, they delivered to my house on their way back to their garage. The current driver has gotten a burr under his saddle. He insists that by shop is a residence, because there is an apartment upstairs, even though there is a separate enterence to it from the one for my shop. So last night he left a package on by shop's door step. That was at 5:09 pm. At 6:11pm he made a delivery to my house. When I questioned him about the other package he said he left it by shop on the steps. Before UPS had told me to leave directions for an alternate delivery site on my shop door. He thought that the whole thing was a joke. "Oh, is that business you?" All the previous drivers knew that, and left instructions for the other drivers. He has left other packages after hours on the steps, even in the rain. Calls to UPS have not resolved this issue. I don't do any shipping from my shop due to lack of volume, and most business is local. What I need to ship, I take tothe UPS Service Center/garage, and ship from there. So, what's up with them? Anybody else haveing these problems? Bob Briggs, Evangel Printers, Bucksport, ME ____________________________________________________________ Click for online loan, fast & no lender fee, approval today http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iifS4HLkpXpNN5Y5u5oQCCelAjhpC5zOsMMGw7vnEpwhsPQ80/ From bnjbriggs at juno.com Thu Jul 10 10:50:57 2008 From: bnjbriggs at juno.com (bnjbriggs@juno.com) Date: Thu Jul 10 10:52:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] UPS Problems Message-ID: <20080710.105057.29817.1@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> What's up with UPS these days? Is anybody have problems with deliveries to there shops? Let me explain. I have been open to the public at my present location since 1990. The previous drivers almost always came here by 1:30. You could almost set your watch by them. If I wasn't here, they delivered to my house on their way back to their garage. The current driver has gotten a burr under his saddle. He insists that by shop is a residence, because there is an apartment upstairs, even though there is a separate enterence to it from the one for my shop. So last night he left a package on by shop's door step. That was at 5:09 pm. At 6:11pm he made a delivery to my house. When I questioned him about the other package he said he left it by shop on the steps. Before UPS had told me to leave directions for an alternate delivery site on my shop door. He thought that the whole thing was a joke. "Oh, is that business you?" All the previous drivers knew that, and left instructions for the other drivers. He has left other packages after hours on the steps, even in the rain. Calls to UPS have not resolved this issue. I don't do any shipping from my shop due to lack of volume, and most business is local. What I need to ship, I take tothe UPS Service Center/garage, and ship from there. So, what's up with them? Anybody else haveing these problems? Bob Briggs, Evangel Printers, Bucksport, ME ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Click to get an emergency loan, bad credit ok http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iiekKuLMdlzvrLN5AehkGVRpbKpHYs1YC6FMxT5CD7n7DcYAU/ From Minmandon at aol.com Thu Jul 10 13:49:36 2008 From: Minmandon at aol.com (Minmandon@aol.com) Date: Thu Jul 10 13:49:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] UPS Problems Message-ID: Bob, After 15 years I couldn't take UPS anymore. The arrogance of the support staff was mind boggling. Last January I switched to Fedex. We use both Fedex ground & overnight service. So, two different trucks come every day. My shipping charges for the year will be well over $30,000. I have not had any significant problems since switching to Fedex. I do have a service rep that periodically calls to check up on us. The attitude of the Fedex people is a thousand times better than UPS. Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield Beach, FL 954 421-9904 **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From greg at pressexpress.org Thu Jul 10 14:41:23 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Thu Jul 10 14:41:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] UPS Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am so furious with UPS! They think they're GOD! (sorry if I offend) After 15 years, they terminated my account over a $40.00 invoice that hit the 45 day mark. Yea, I know, it was past due but to put me on permanent COD? When we discovered this, we paid the next shipment with a Credit Card, ran out the tag, taped it to the box. When the driver arrived making his delivery, I handed him the box. With his hands up he took two steps back like there was a bomb in it and said "no way, your account was suspended and I was personally instructed not to take anything from you". I instructed that it was paid for and showed him. He still refused it. I went to the hub. They too refused it because it had Press Express as the shipper. Again, I showed him it was paid for. What a fight. Now, I must go to the hub and use their computer at the counter to generate my shipping tag. What a pain. Their invoices are due net 15 days. It takes 3 days for the invoice to get here. The last one I pay it immediately. It took 3-4 days for my check to arrive, then it takes them 7-10 days to process the check. It is now past their 15 day terms and they automatically place a 5% surcharge onto my account because the payment I made the day I got my bill, is now past their terms. So I got a statement at the end of the month showing that I owe them penalty and interest, which is now past due so they penalized the penalty! This is vicious! The irony is that my account is suspended. I cannot charge to it, but they can! I tried calling, could not get thru, finally I did and the auto response stated that due to the high call volume, my call won't be answered for at least 10 minutes! And I wonder why their stocks didn't make last quarter expectations. FYI, as of August, UPS will be raising their 5% penalty to 6% Rat bastards. Sorry for the vulgarity just peeved. Greg On Jul 10, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Minmandon@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Bob, > After 15 years I couldn't take UPS anymore. The arrogance of the > support > staff was mind boggling. Last January I switched to Fedex. We use > both Fedex > ground & overnight service. So, two different trucks come every > day. My > shipping charges for the year will be well over $30,000. I have not > had any > significant problems since switching to Fedex. I do have a service > rep that > periodically calls to check up on us. The attitude of the Fedex > people is a thousand > times better than UPS. > > Don Carney > Minuteman Press Deerfield Beach, FL > 954 421-9904 > > > > **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the > live music > scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From joe at calagaz.com Thu Jul 10 14:47:36 2008 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Thu Jul 10 14:47:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] UPS Problems Message-ID: I have the exact opposite situation. UPS is a great vendor for us and is very responsive to our needs..... Joe Calagaz Calagaz Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Minmandon@aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 12:50 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] UPS Problems ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Bob, After 15 years I couldn't take UPS anymore. The arrogance of the support staff was mind boggling. Last January I switched to Fedex. We use both Fedex ground & overnight service. So, two different trucks come every day. My shipping charges for the year will be well over $30,000. I have not had any significant problems since switching to Fedex. I do have a service rep that periodically calls to check up on us. The attitude of the Fedex people is a thousand times better than UPS. Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield Beach, FL 954 421-9904 **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From tufelkinder at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 14:54:46 2008 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Thu Jul 10 14:54:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] UPS Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84f70d5e0807101154h6661910bld22284168c072a7b@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Joe Calagaz wrote: > > I have the exact opposite situation. UPS is a great vendor for us and > is very responsive to our needs..... Ditto. We switched to Fedex briefly for the better rates but got sick of playing around with three (home, ground, and express) pickups per day and the inconsistent delivery/pickup times. UPS came back with competitive pricing and we haven't regretted switching back. Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA tufelkinder@gmail.com http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 -~ Everyone is as God has made him, and oftentimes a great deal worse. - Miguel de Cervantes From peter at keystonepress.com Thu Jul 10 15:02:22 2008 From: peter at keystonepress.com (Peter Church) Date: Thu Jul 10 15:04:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] UPS Problems In-Reply-To: <84f70d5e0807101154h6661910bld22284168c072a7b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: How does one negotiate better prices from UPS? How do you know if you are getting prices that are as low as they can go? Thanks, Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Walt Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 2:55 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] UPS Problems ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Joe Calagaz wrote: > > I have the exact opposite situation. UPS is a great vendor for us and > is very responsive to our needs..... Ditto. We switched to Fedex briefly for the better rates but got sick of playing around with three (home, ground, and express) pickups per day and the inconsistent delivery/pickup times. UPS came back with competitive pricing and we haven't regretted switching back. Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA tufelkinder@gmail.com http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 15:30:52 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Jul 10 15:31:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] UPS Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0807101230u62948ff1yf9b513108dbcc374@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 1:49 PM, wrote: > > After 15 years I couldn't take UPS anymore. The arrogance of the support > staff was mind boggling. Last January I switched to Fedex. We use both Fedex > ground & overnight service. So, two different trucks come every day. My > shipping charges for the year will be well over $30,000. I have not had any > significant problems since switching to Fedex. I do have a service rep that > periodically calls to check up on us. The attitude of the Fedex people is a thousand > times better than UPS. Not only have I always had a completely different experience with UPS -- i.e. totally satisfactory -- but I tossed FedEx out years ago because of *theri* arrogant attitude, Perhaps more importantly, you ought to take a look at what's staring your customers in the face on the FedEx tracking page if they go there to track a shipment from you. (The page header says "Track Shipments/FedEx Kinko's Orders"; my recollection is that when you enter a tracking number, you get the Kinko's logo and other mentions of the K connection). Thanks FedEx, but no thanks. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From tufelkinder at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 15:50:54 2008 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Thu Jul 10 15:50:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] UPS Problems In-Reply-To: References: <84f70d5e0807101154h6661910bld22284168c072a7b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0807101250v240ccd65lab4c362b6f5d294f@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Peter Church wrote: > > How does one negotiate better prices from UPS? How do you know if you are > getting prices that are as low as they can go? They give discounts as a percentage off "list" or "retail," primarily based on average volume and pickup frequency. Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ Fred Allen - "Television is a medium because anything well done is rare." From greg at pressexpress.org Thu Jul 10 15:54:26 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Thu Jul 10 15:54:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] UPS Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The saga continues! I ups out 6 boxes of 11x17 to be folded to my bro's shop. My folder is fussy. It arrives to the town where my bro's shop is located. They destroy a box and the contents spill. The other boxes arrive like they were run over by a freight train. UPS calls and reads me their ten commandments on how my case of paper should have been "double boxed with peanuts or bubble wrap) and stated they are shipping it back the box they destroyed. Rather than delivering the one box that spilled, the disgruntled driver (can't say I blame him for being angry) crams the sheets back into the box every which way and elects to ship it back to me as opposed as delivering it and making the other shop make the call. Now, after the job gets folded, they needed to be trucked to a third party out of state and was time critical. I called the local UPS hub where my bro's shop is located and begged for them to re-deliver it to my bro's shop so he can go thru, salvage and fold. They said they would. The next day, I call my bro's shop to see if it arrived. It did not. So I tracked it. Tracking stated that it was delivered at my shop at 9 am signed for by someone who is not employed here. It is now 1:30. I called my local hub and they stated that it was delivered to another print shop across town. UUGGG! I call over to the shop and state my name. Their response? "I'll bet you are looking for something aren't you?" They had the box all day and of course, neglected to call me. I call back UPS and rip him a new one. He personally goes over, gets it (which was opened by the competition) and delivers it to me. It is now 2:30. I go thru the case, pull out the sheets with foot marks and tire tracks, re-arrange all sheets and force it thru my table top (11x17 to 8.5x11)(then tri fold for #10 envelop) uugg. So I call my local hub, explain that there was no reason for the box to be returned to me. The contents were NOT destroyed and that the driver made a hasty decision in anger. Now the only way to get the job to the third party in time is to over night the two boxes that the folded product now fits in. I asked UPS to pick up the tab. They did! Cudo's! Now checking my UPS account via phone as described below, there is a $150 charge to my suspended account? What's this? How can there be a charge on my account when it is suspended? I asked for a new invoice to be mailed to me (since I never got one to begin with). Low and behold! I was charged freight for these two boxes! Which by the way, is now past due their 15 days and I got a 5% surcharge for not paying in time. The battle continues. Greg On Jul 10, 2008, at 1:41 PM, Greg Weinfurter wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am so furious with UPS! They think they're GOD! (sorry if I offend) > > After 15 years, they terminated my account over a $40.00 invoice > that hit the 45 day mark. Yea, I know, it was past due but to put > me on permanent COD? When we discovered this, we paid the next > shipment with a Credit Card, ran out the tag, taped it to the box. > When the driver arrived making his delivery, I handed him the box. > With his hands up he took two steps back like there was a bomb in it > and said "no way, your account was suspended and I was personally > instructed not to take anything from you". I instructed that it was > paid for and showed him. He still refused it. I went to the hub. > They too refused it because it had Press Express as the shipper. > Again, I showed him it was paid for. What a fight. Now, I must go > to the hub and use their computer at the counter to generate my > shipping tag. What a pain. > > Their invoices are due net 15 days. It takes 3 days for the invoice > to get here. The last one I pay it immediately. It took 3-4 days > for my check to arrive, then it takes them 7-10 days to process the > check. It is now past their 15 day terms and they automatically > place a 5% surcharge onto my account because the payment I made the > day I got my bill, is now past their terms. So I got a statement at > the end of the month showing that I owe them penalty and interest, > which is now past due so they penalized the penalty! This is vicious! > > The irony is that my account is suspended. I cannot charge to it, > but they can! > > I tried calling, could not get thru, finally I did and the auto > response stated that due to the high call volume, my call won't be > answered for at least 10 minutes! > > And I wonder why their stocks didn't make last quarter expectations. > > FYI, as of August, UPS will be raising their 5% penalty to 6% > > Rat bastards. > > Sorry for the vulgarity just peeved. > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 10, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Minmandon@aol.com wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Bob, >> After 15 years I couldn't take UPS anymore. The arrogance of the >> support >> staff was mind boggling. Last January I switched to Fedex. We use >> both Fedex >> ground & overnight service. So, two different trucks come every >> day. My >> shipping charges for the year will be well over $30,000. I have not >> had any >> significant problems since switching to Fedex. I do have a service >> rep that >> periodically calls to check up on us. The attitude of the Fedex >> people is a thousand >> times better than UPS. >> >> Don Carney >> Minuteman Press Deerfield Beach, FL >> 954 421-9904 >> >> >> >> **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the >> live music >> scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! >> (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. > > > > > Press Express > 1869 N. Stevens St. > Rhinelander, WI 54501 > Phone 715-362-2828 > Fax 715-369-2828 > info@pressexpress.org > > Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider > Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From ray at capitol-copy.com Thu Jul 10 16:03:34 2008 From: ray at capitol-copy.com (Ray Sziber) Date: Thu Jul 10 16:03:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:UPS/USPS In-Reply-To: <20080710195100.B4458FCDCD0@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <003201c8e2c8$08cd2da0$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> Recently our local postmaster told me that UPS signed a contract with the US Postal Service. That contract is for the USPS to deliver UPS packages to local addresses. Apparently UPS is hurting so much that they find it more economical to sub out many residential and some business deliveries. -Ray Sziber Capitol Copy Service NAQP NAPL 116 West State Street Trenton NJ 08608 Ph 609-989-8776 Fx609-989-9570 www.Capitol-Copy.com Now Offering Large Format Printing! verkin tala From swiftyprinting at mac.com Thu Jul 10 16:23:58 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Thu Jul 10 16:24:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:UPS/USPS In-Reply-To: <003201c8e2c8$08cd2da0$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> References: <003201c8e2c8$08cd2da0$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> Message-ID: <59E82684-8F0B-4343-869F-1B8915A7C089@mac.com> On Jul 10, 2008, at 4:03 PM, Ray Sziber wrote: > Apparently UPS is hurting so much that they find it more > economical to sub out many residential and some business deliveries. This is becoming more common. As they compete they also join together. USPS uses FedEx planes to move their next day stuff. DHL will be using multiple carriers to move their ground stuff. UPS will use USPS for nonprofit home deliveries. ... and so on. These alliances is the only way they will survive. However now quality control will suffer. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From mitch at mitchevansconsulting.com Thu Jul 10 16:58:16 2008 From: mitch at mitchevansconsulting.com (Mitch Evans) Date: Thu Jul 10 16:58:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] UPS Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004a01c8e2cf$ad470700$a200a8c0@Y765TJ> You just need to ask -- its easy to get discounts on next day air (usually 10% or so) -- ground usually less than 5% -- its all based on your current volume. I used to spend over $100K per year and they provided two computer terminals and printers for free plus discounts. Fedex would offer similar discounts Mitch Mitch Evans Mitch Evans Consulting & The Next Level Group 8 Driftwood Cottage Lane Daufuskie Island, SC 29915 561-351-6950 cell 843-757-8057 fax www.mitchevansconsulting.com www.the-nextlevelgroup.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Peter Church Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 3:02 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] UPS Problems ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** How does one negotiate better prices from UPS? How do you know if you are getting prices that are as low as they can go? Thanks, Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Walt Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 2:55 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] UPS Problems ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Joe Calagaz wrote: > > I have the exact opposite situation. UPS is a great vendor for us and > is very responsive to our needs..... Ditto. We switched to Fedex briefly for the better rates but got sick of playing around with three (home, ground, and express) pickups per day and the inconsistent delivery/pickup times. UPS came back with competitive pricing and we haven't regretted switching back. Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA tufelkinder@gmail.com http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu Jul 10 17:00:21 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu Jul 10 17:01:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] UPS Problems In-Reply-To: <20080710195100.53CE5FCDCCE@rb.enter.net> References: <20080710195100.53CE5FCDCCE@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Our solution, possibly suggested years ago by the original salesman, is to leave $100 or $200 on deposit at UPS. That's no worse than buying three rolls of $0.42 stamps and taking a couple of weeks to use them. This way, if you pay their invoices weekly, you will never be past due. > .... they terminated my account over a $40.00 invoice that hit the > 45 day mark. .... it was past due but to put me on permanent COD? > Their invoices are due net 15 days. It takes 3 days for the invoice > to get here. The last one I pay it immediately. It took 3-4 days > for my check to arrive, then it takes them 7-10 days to process the > check. It is now past their 15 day terms and they automatically > place a 5% surcharge onto my account ..... Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From greg at pressexpress.org Thu Jul 10 17:34:09 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Thu Jul 10 17:34:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] UPS Problems In-Reply-To: References: <20080710195100.53CE5FCDCCE@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <2A034F1B-2BCE-4E24-AD8A-BE936B1B7F6D@pressexpress.org> That was the route we were probably going to end up with. I just find it appalling that they set up their terms so it is next to impossible to stay within. Greg On Jul 10, 2008, at 4:00 PM, Simon Sheers wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Our solution, possibly suggested years ago by the original salesman, > is to leave $100 or $200 on deposit at UPS. That's no worse than > buying three rolls of $0.42 stamps and taking a couple of weeks to > use them. > > This way, if you pay their invoices weekly, you will never be past > due. > > >> .... they terminated my account over a $40.00 invoice that hit the >> 45 day mark. .... it was past due but to put me on permanent COD? > >> Their invoices are due net 15 days. It takes 3 days for the >> invoice to get here. The last one I pay it immediately. It took >> 3-4 days for my check to arrive, then it takes them 7-10 days to >> process the check. It is now past their 15 day terms and they >> automatically place a 5% surcharge onto my account ..... > > > Please reply to Simon Sheers at: > > > Sheer Graphics Inc. > 47 Chestnut Avenue, > Westmont, IL 60559-1127 > Tel: (630) 654-4422 > > Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu Jul 10 18:02:08 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu Jul 10 18:02:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] UPS Problems In-Reply-To: <84f70d5e0807101154h6661910bld22284168c072a7b@mail.gmail.com> References: <84f70d5e0807101154h6661910bld22284168c072a7b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CAB0EFBA0B3469-1720-3128@webmail-da19.sysops.aol.com> I just had to add to this thread. I'm also a mailbox service aside from printing & sign work. We dropped UPS three years ago & have never looked back. When a company allocates funds each month for danage & losses makes you think twice about using them. I've always had Fedex next day & have also ground service. Fedex uses brokers for their ground service & if anything goes wrong they have to pay so this prevents these damages & losses to a crawl. I've had in the last 3 years two problems compared to 1 0r 3 a month with UPS. Now the best part. I receive a check every quarter from Fedex for around $650-750 just for taking in free shipments from clients dropping off. The greatest thing about these drop off's Is that those clients dropping off tend to use our other services, so it's a win win situation. JMO Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Walt To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 2:54 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] UPS Problems ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Joe Calagaz wrote: > > I have the exact opposite situation. UPS is a great vendor for us and > is very responsive to our needs..... Ditto. We switched to Fedex briefly for the better rates but got sick of playing around with three (home, ground, and express) pickups per day and the inconsistent delivery/pickup times. UPS came back with competitive pricing and we haven't regretted switching back. Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA tufelkinder@gmail.com http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 -~ Everyone is as God has made him, and oftentimes a great deal worse. - Miguel de Cervantes _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From andrew.flamm at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 18:19:59 2008 From: andrew.flamm at gmail.com (Andy Flamm) Date: Thu Jul 10 18:20:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] UPS Problems In-Reply-To: References: <84f70d5e0807101154h6661910bld22284168c072a7b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter, We used DHL for years. Our UPS driver asked if they could send a sales rep to discuss switching to UPS. The rep first said we'd have to pay for daily pickup service to get their wholesale rates. When I balked at that, he came back and said they could waive the daily pickup fee if we dropped our packages in the nearby UPS box. Not only that, but we get discounts off the wholesale rates based on our 52-week rolling average volume. We don't ship for customers, just our shop, but may do customer shipping in the future. So, just ask UPS to give you a similar deal. As for which service is best, I suspect a lot has to do with who runs your local office, just as it does with copier companies. Go with whom you like. Andy Flamm On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Peter Church wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > How does one negotiate better prices from UPS? How do you know if you are > getting prices that are as low as they can go? > > Thanks, > > > > > Peter Church > Keystone Press, LLC > 9 Old Falls Road > Manchester, NH 03103 > phone: 603-622-5222 > fax: 603-622-9432 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Walt > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 2:55 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] UPS Problems > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Joe Calagaz wrote: > > > > I have the exact opposite situation. UPS is a great vendor for us and > > is very responsive to our needs..... > > Ditto. We switched to Fedex briefly for the better rates but got sick of > playing around with three (home, ground, and express) pickups per day and > the inconsistent delivery/pickup times. UPS came back with competitive > pricing and we haven't regretted switching back. > > > Walt > > Mercersburg Printing > Mercersburg, PA > tufelkinder@gmail.com > http://mercersburg.net > 800-955-3902 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Cedar Business Printing 345 Cedar Street, Suite 256 Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101 651-293-3904 voice 651-293-3905 fax andy@CedarBusinessPrinting.com www.CedarBusinessPrinting.com From mark at cordesprinting.com Fri Jul 11 08:22:53 2008 From: mark at cordesprinting.com (Mark Cordes) Date: Fri Jul 11 08:16:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] UPS Problems In-Reply-To: References: <84f70d5e0807101154h6661910bld22284168c072a7b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4877509D.6090800@cordesprinting.com> This hits it right on the money. We do loads of shipping with UPS and have had very few problems. We get discounts from them and have a great relationship with the local driver. He picks up for us at 5 pm like clockwork. We have used other shippers (FedEx, DHL) and had a variety of experiences with them. Your mileage may vary -- go with who gives you the best service in your area. Mark Mark Cordes Cordes Printing, Inc. 460 Braen Avenue Wyckoff, NJ 07481 201.652.7272 mark@cordesprinting.com www.cordesprinting.com > > As for which service is best, I suspect a lot has to do with who runs your > local office, just as it does with copier companies. Go with whom you like. > > From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Fri Jul 11 10:19:05 2008 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Fri Jul 11 10:18:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Coilmaster Jr. Spiel Associates In-Reply-To: <4877509D.6090800@cordesprinting.com> Message-ID: <000901c8e361$1317aa30$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Does anyone have any experience with Spiel Associates Coilmaster Jr. coil binder? We've picked up a couple of accounts with some coil binding needs. We have an automated punch and we also have an old JBI UniCoil CB30 coil inserter. JBI is no more. The UniCoil machine has always been a PITA to set up and once set up, doesn't stay that way. We never use it. There are a couple of videos at http://www.spielassociates.com/video.htm . I haven't priced one out yet, and we haven't looked real hard for equipment to do this kind of work. I'm looking for feedback on the company, machine, or alternatives to this product. TIA Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com From prtquick at eos.net Fri Jul 11 13:19:27 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Fri Jul 11 13:16:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Generic Folder Source In-Reply-To: <000901c8e361$1317aa30$f901a8c0@MitchDell> References: <000901c8e361$1317aa30$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Message-ID: Does any have a source you have used for 'generic' 2-pocket folders? They would say "Welcome" on the front, Linen cover, size is 6" x 9", BC slits on pocket. Thanks! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing From Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com Fri Jul 11 13:20:35 2008 From: Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com (Gerry Engelhart) Date: Fri Jul 11 13:20:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Manilla Folders/wallets Message-ID: <00c001c8e37a$6e34d2d0$7000000a@Engelhart> A Customer is looking for a manilla wallet with a flap...kinda like an envelope, but with no flap glue, It is made of an index tyope of stock ..feels like a #110 index. 1,000-3,000 pieces, printed in black ink Office supply companies do not seem to have it anyone out there know where to find such an animal 9.5 x12 3.5 inch flap #110 index manilla in color Gerry Engelhart Porath printsource Cleveland OH From prtquick at eos.net Fri Jul 11 13:28:56 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Fri Jul 11 13:26:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Silverstone Laid Cover? In-Reply-To: References: <000901c8e361$1317aa30$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Message-ID: I am looking for a ream (or even less! 100 would do it) of 80# cover, Silverstone, Classic Laid. Seems to be only available as a full-size mill order, which is overkill for the 500 Business Cards I am working on. None of my local paperhouses (or their branches) stock it anymore, just the 24# and envelopes. Checked some websites too. Grrr. Thanks! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 14:01:11 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri Jul 11 14:01:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Silverstone Laid Cover? In-Reply-To: References: <000901c8e361$1317aa30$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0807111101t2cd048edhf79b75795f2e0889@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Scott Finke wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am looking for a ream (or even less! 100 would do it) of 80# cover, > Silverstone, Classic Laid. > Thought I had some, but it's 24#. But try Paper Mart in East Hanover NJ (http://www.papermartinc.com/) 973-884-2505*1* or Limited Papers, Brooklyn NY 800-797-7022 -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From craig at newhavenprint.com Fri Jul 11 14:20:19 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Fri Jul 11 14:20:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Silverstone Laid Cover? In-Reply-To: References: <000901c8e361$1317aa30$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Message-ID: <4877A463.5040007@newhavenprint.com> I've got some I can UPS to you tonight. -- Craig Dellinger President New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, Indiana USA Phone: 260.493.3844 Fax: 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com Scott Finke wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am looking for a ream (or even less! 100 would do it) of 80# cover, > Silverstone, Classic Laid. > > Seems to be only available as a full-size mill order, which is overkill > for the 500 Business Cards I am working on. > > None of my local paperhouses (or their branches) stock it anymore, just > the 24# and envelopes. Checked some websites too. Grrr. > > > > > > Thanks! > > Scott Finke > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Visit our new location! > > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Phone: (513) 522.2679 > Fax (513) 522.2692 > Email: info@brentwood-printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > www.Brentwood-Printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Send us your file at: > http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Quick. Quality. Printing > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > From slb at inkspot.net Fri Jul 11 15:40:30 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Jul 11 15:41:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Silverstone Laid Cover? In-Reply-To: <4877A463.5040007@newhavenprint.com> References: <000901c8e361$1317aa30$f901a8c0@MitchDell>, , <4877A463.5040007@newhavenprint.com> Message-ID: <48777EEE.5297.9E144EB@slb.inkspot.net> We also have plenty, in the event that you need a backup.... Steve > > I've got some I can UPS to you tonight. > > -- > Craig Dellinger > President > New Haven Print & Copy > 7531 US 930 East > Fort Wayne, Indiana USA > Phone: 260.493.3844 > Fax: 260.493.3579 > www.newhavenprint.com > > > > > Scott Finke wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > I am looking for a ream (or even less! 100 would do it) of 80# cover, > > Silverstone, Classic Laid. > > > > Seems to be only available as a full-size mill order, which is overkill > > for the 500 Business Cards I am working on. > > > > None of my local paperhouses (or their branches) stock it anymore, just > > the 24# and envelopes. Checked some websites too. Grrr. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Scott Finke > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > Visit our new location! > > > > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > > 8630 Winton Road > > Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > Phone: (513) 522.2679 > > Fax (513) 522.2692 > > Email: info@brentwood-printing.com > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > www.Brentwood-Printing.com > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > Send us your file at: > > http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > Quick. Quality. Printing > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3263 (20080711) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From prtquick at eos.net Fri Jul 11 13:22:53 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Fri Jul 11 21:14:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Silverstone Cover Stock? In-Reply-To: <000901c8e361$1317aa30$f901a8c0@MitchDell> References: <000901c8e361$1317aa30$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Message-ID: <5CF04185-8676-4845-9FD1-24C13195DC87@eos.net> I am looking for a ream (or even less! 100 would do it) of 80# cover, Silverstone, Classic Laid. Seems to be only available as a full-size mill order, which is overkill for the 500 Business Cards I am working on. None of my local paperhouses (or their branches) stock it anymore, just the 24# and envelopes. Checked some websites too. Grrr. Thanks! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing ? On Jul 11, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Mitch Eaton wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone have any experience with Spiel Associates Coilmaster > Jr. coil > binder? > > We've picked up a couple of accounts with some coil binding needs. > We have > an automated punch and we also have an old JBI UniCoil CB30 coil > inserter. > JBI is no more. The UniCoil machine has always been a PITA to set > up and > once set up, doesn't stay that way. We never use it. > > There are a couple of videos at http://www.spielassociates.com/ > video.htm . I > haven't priced one out yet, and we haven't looked real hard for > equipment to > do this kind of work. > > I'm looking for feedback on the company, machine, or alternatives > to this > product. > > TIA > > Mitch Eaton > The Printing Station > 1420 Locust Street > Des Moines, IA 50309 > 515-243-8144 > 866-866-7414 > Fax 515-243-6540 > mitch.eaton@printingstation.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cpurvine1 at cox.net Sat Jul 12 00:04:03 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Sat Jul 12 00:04:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Abba Queen Hotel England Job Offer....new twist on scam Message-ID: <003b01c8e3d4$52bb07e0$6501a8c0@coranew> Do you think they are wanting to recruit people that speak English to better scam us Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 854-0321 Fax (Call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP ____________________________________________________________________________ ____________________________ -----Original Message----- From: ABBA QUEENS GATE CONCORDE HOTEL [mailto:roger121@dodo.com.au] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 10:43 PM Subject: -- SPAM -- Abba Queen Hotel England Job Offer Importance: High -- ABBA QUEENS GATE CONCORDE HOTEL 31 34 QUEENS GATE, LONDON ENGLAND . www.queensgateconcordehotel.co.uk WE ARE LOOKING FOR BRIGHT GRADUATES/POST GRADUATES BETWEEN AGES 22 AND ABOVE YEARS WITH EXCELLENT COMMUNICATION AND MANAGERIAL SKILLS AND AN APTITUDE FOR CUSTOMER SERVICES.CANDIDATES WOULD BE REQUIRED TO POSSES GOOD INTER-PERSONAL SKILLS AND A PASSION TO KEEP LEARNING WHILE DELIVERING EFFECTIVE SERVICES TO OUR NUMEROUS CUSTOMERS,YOU WILL BE WORKING PRIMARILY IN ROTATING DAY SHIFTS,WITH OCCASIONAL NIGHT SHIFTS. VACANCIES ARE AVAILABLE IN THE FOLLOWING DEPUTATIONS: 1. MANAGERS/ASSISTANT MANAGERS 2. COMPUTER OPERATORS/SOFTWARE ENGINEERS 3. ACCOUNTANTS 4. SECURITY 5. LINGUISTS 6. CASHIERS 7. ESCORTS 8. CHEFS 9. SUPERVISOR TRAINERS 10. WAITERS 11. CLEANERS ENTITLEMENTS, BENEFITS & PACKAGES: A VERY ATTRACTIVE NET SALARY PAID IN GBP [GREAT BRITISH POUNDS]. QUALITY SINGLE OR FAMILY HOUSING ACCOMMODATIONS IN HOTEL VICINITY. FREE MEDICAL CARE FOR EMPLOYEE AND FAMILY HERE IN LONDON . EXCELLENT EDUCATIONAL ASSISTANCE BENEFITS WITH FAMILY STATUS EMPLOYMENT.PAID AIRFARES ALLOWING FULL FLEXIBILITY WITH HOLIDAYS. PERSONAL EFFECTS SHIPMENTS AND EXCESS BAGGAGE ALLOWANCES FULL ACCESS TO SOME OF THE BEST RECREATIONAL FACILITIES IN LONDON, LIFE INSURANCES. OFFICIAL VEHICLES /MAXIMUM SECURITY IN WORK ENVIRONS AND HOUSING COMMUNITY,JOB STATUS: FULL TIME AND CONTRACT [PLEASE INDICATE WHEN APPLYING], SALARY INDICATION: GBP 2,500 TO GBP 4,500 MONTHLY DEPENDING UPON EXPERIENCE,FIELD OF SPECIALIZATION.INTERESTED CANDIDATES SHOULD PLEASE SEND THEIR RESUMES BY EMAIL AND ADDRESSED TO, THE CLERK ABBA QUEENS GATE HOTEL LONDON. PLEASE ATTACH A SCANNED COPY OF YOUR INTERNATIONAL PASSPORT TO IT WHEN SENDING BACK THE APPLICATION FORM TO THE HOTEL ADMIT MANAGER. PLEASE NOTE THE ATTACHMENT WILL BE SEND TO BE FILLED AND RETURN BY ATTACHMENT AFTER YOUR REPLY HAS BEEN NOTIFIED. REGARDS ADMIN MANAGER, MR MARK PETERS. Email:abba_markhotel@hotmail.com Tel- +447031938251 31 34 QUEENS GATE, LONDON ENGLAND . www.queensgateconcordehotel.co.uk ________________________________________________ This message was sent using Dodo Webmail - www.dodo.com.au __________ NOD32 3263 (20080711) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From info at desktopsxm.com Sat Jul 12 08:44:28 2008 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Sat Jul 12 08:44:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Abba Queen Hotel England Job Offer....new twist on scam In-Reply-To: <003b01c8e3d4$52bb07e0$6501a8c0@coranew> References: <003b01c8e3d4$52bb07e0$6501a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <36083B21-607E-40B7-ACF4-B097CE788D66@desktopsxm.com> i think all they want are your passport details Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten Tel 542-4044 fax 543-1100 "The Printshop with a Difference" On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:04 AM, Cora wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Do you think they are wanting to recruit people that speak English to > better scam us > > > Class Act Printing and Foil > 5801 W. Juno Street > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > (316) 522-0733 > (316) 854-0321 Fax (Call first) > cpurvine1@cox.net > Microsoft Service Provider > Member NAQP > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______ > ____________________________ > > -----Original Message----- > From: ABBA QUEENS GATE CONCORDE HOTEL [mailto:roger121@dodo.com.au] > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 10:43 PM > Subject: -- SPAM -- Abba Queen Hotel England Job Offer > Importance: High > > -- > ABBA QUEENS GATE CONCORDE HOTEL > 31 34 QUEENS GATE, > LONDON ENGLAND . > www.queensgateconcordehotel.co.uk > > > WE ARE LOOKING FOR BRIGHT GRADUATES/POST GRADUATES BETWEEN AGES 22 AND > ABOVE YEARS WITH EXCELLENT COMMUNICATION AND MANAGERIAL SKILLS AND AN > APTITUDE FOR CUSTOMER SERVICES.CANDIDATES WOULD BE REQUIRED TO POSSES > GOOD INTER-PERSONAL SKILLS AND A PASSION TO KEEP LEARNING WHILE > DELIVERING EFFECTIVE SERVICES TO OUR NUMEROUS CUSTOMERS,YOU WILL BE > WORKING PRIMARILY IN ROTATING DAY SHIFTS,WITH OCCASIONAL NIGHT SHIFTS. > VACANCIES ARE AVAILABLE IN THE FOLLOWING DEPUTATIONS: > > 1. MANAGERS/ASSISTANT MANAGERS > 2. COMPUTER OPERATORS/SOFTWARE ENGINEERS > 3. ACCOUNTANTS > 4. SECURITY > 5. LINGUISTS > 6. CASHIERS > 7. ESCORTS > 8. CHEFS > 9. SUPERVISOR TRAINERS > 10. WAITERS > 11. CLEANERS > > ENTITLEMENTS, BENEFITS & PACKAGES: A VERY ATTRACTIVE NET SALARY PAID > IN GBP [GREAT BRITISH POUNDS]. QUALITY SINGLE OR FAMILY HOUSING > ACCOMMODATIONS IN HOTEL VICINITY. FREE MEDICAL CARE FOR EMPLOYEE AND > FAMILY HERE IN LONDON . EXCELLENT EDUCATIONAL ASSISTANCE BENEFITS WITH > FAMILY STATUS EMPLOYMENT.PAID AIRFARES ALLOWING FULL FLEXIBILITY WITH > HOLIDAYS. > > PERSONAL EFFECTS SHIPMENTS AND EXCESS BAGGAGE ALLOWANCES FULL ACCESS > TO SOME OF THE BEST RECREATIONAL FACILITIES IN LONDON, LIFE > INSURANCES. > OFFICIAL VEHICLES /MAXIMUM SECURITY IN WORK ENVIRONS AND HOUSING > COMMUNITY,JOB STATUS: FULL TIME AND CONTRACT [PLEASE INDICATE WHEN > APPLYING], SALARY INDICATION: > > GBP 2,500 TO GBP 4,500 MONTHLY DEPENDING UPON EXPERIENCE,FIELD OF > SPECIALIZATION.INTERESTED CANDIDATES SHOULD PLEASE SEND THEIR RESUMES > BY EMAIL AND ADDRESSED TO, THE CLERK ABBA QUEENS GATE HOTEL LONDON. > PLEASE ATTACH A SCANNED COPY OF YOUR INTERNATIONAL PASSPORT TO IT WHEN > SENDING BACK THE APPLICATION FORM TO THE HOTEL ADMIT MANAGER. > > PLEASE NOTE THE ATTACHMENT WILL BE SEND TO BE FILLED AND RETURN BY > ATTACHMENT AFTER YOUR REPLY HAS BEEN NOTIFIED. > > REGARDS > ADMIN MANAGER, > MR MARK PETERS. > Email:abba_markhotel@hotmail.com > Tel- +447031938251 > 31 34 QUEENS GATE, > LONDON ENGLAND . > www.queensgateconcordehotel.co.uk > > ________________________________________________ > > This message was sent > using Dodo Webmail - www.dodo.com.au > > > > __________ NOD32 3263 (20080711) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cpurvine1 at cox.net Sat Jul 12 10:04:26 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Sat Jul 12 10:04:29 2008 Subject: -- SPAM -- Re: [PrintOwners] Abba Queen Hotel England Job Offer....new twist onscam In-Reply-To: <36083B21-607E-40B7-ACF4-B097CE788D66@desktopsxm.com> References: <003b01c8e3d4$52bb07e0$6501a8c0@coranew> <36083B21-607E-40B7-ACF4-B097CE788D66@desktopsxm.com> Message-ID: <002d01c8e428$322fb030$6501a8c0@coranew> Never even thought of that....: ( Thanks for another wake-up call. I think sometimes we give out our information so often that we don't think of that....at least I don't... Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 854-0321 Fax (Call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Joel Brint Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 7:44 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: -- SPAM -- Re: [PrintOwners] Abba Queen Hotel England Job Offer....new twist onscam Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** i think all they want are your passport details Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten Tel 542-4044 fax 543-1100 "The Printshop with a Difference" On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:04 AM, Cora wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Do you think they are wanting to recruit people that speak English to > better scam us > > > Class Act Printing and Foil > 5801 W. Juno Street > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > (316) 522-0733 > (316) 854-0321 Fax (Call first) > cpurvine1@cox.net > Microsoft Service Provider > Member NAQP > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______ > ____________________________ > > -----Original Message----- > From: ABBA QUEENS GATE CONCORDE HOTEL [mailto:roger121@dodo.com.au] > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 10:43 PM > Subject: -- SPAM -- Abba Queen Hotel England Job Offer > Importance: High > > -- > ABBA QUEENS GATE CONCORDE HOTEL > 31 34 QUEENS GATE, > LONDON ENGLAND . > www.queensgateconcordehotel.co.uk > > > WE ARE LOOKING FOR BRIGHT GRADUATES/POST GRADUATES BETWEEN AGES 22 AND > ABOVE YEARS WITH EXCELLENT COMMUNICATION AND MANAGERIAL SKILLS AND AN > APTITUDE FOR CUSTOMER SERVICES.CANDIDATES WOULD BE REQUIRED TO POSSES > GOOD INTER-PERSONAL SKILLS AND A PASSION TO KEEP LEARNING WHILE > DELIVERING EFFECTIVE SERVICES TO OUR NUMEROUS CUSTOMERS,YOU WILL BE > WORKING PRIMARILY IN ROTATING DAY SHIFTS,WITH OCCASIONAL NIGHT SHIFTS. > VACANCIES ARE AVAILABLE IN THE FOLLOWING DEPUTATIONS: > > 1. 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Not only will your UPS always be paid on time, if your credit card has a rewards program tied to it, you get something for paying your UPS bill. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing Auburn, ME 04210 Simon Sheers wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Our solution, possibly suggested years ago by the original salesman, > is to leave $100 or $200 on deposit at UPS. That's no worse than > buying three rolls of $0.42 stamps and taking a couple of weeks to use > them. > > This way, if you pay their invoices weekly, you will never be past due. > > >> .... they terminated my account over a $40.00 invoice that hit the 45 >> day mark. .... it was past due but to put me on permanent COD? > >> Their invoices are due net 15 days. It takes 3 days for the invoice >> to get here. The last one I pay it immediately. It took 3-4 days >> for my check to arrive, then it takes them 7-10 days to process the >> check. It is now past their 15 day terms and they automatically >> place a 5% surcharge onto my account ..... > > > Please reply to Simon Sheers at: > > > Sheer Graphics Inc. > 47 Chestnut Avenue, > Westmont, IL 60559-1127 > Tel: (630) 654-4422 > > Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From oren66 at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 12 14:50:03 2008 From: oren66 at sbcglobal.net (Arie Teomi) Date: Sat Jul 12 14:50:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I am back on this list Message-ID: <974359.19296.qm@web83401.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks Ben and all the rest of you who tried to help. I just got an email from Bob Bergy: "Arie, your email was bouncing (your ISP thought PrintOwners was spam) and your account suspended automatically. I've cleared the bounce flag, so you should begin receiving messages again. And supposedly sbcglobal.net has stopped blocking messages. Bob" I hope we are good for now. Arie Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Sun Jul 13 13:51:48 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Sun Jul 13 13:51:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Silverstone Cover Stock? In-Reply-To: <5CF04185-8676-4845-9FD1-24C13195DC87@eos.net> References: <000901c8e361$1317aa30$f901a8c0@MitchDell> <5CF04185-8676-4845-9FD1-24C13195DC87@eos.net> Message-ID: <006201c8e511$2081ee90$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Scott Whenever we are confronted with this we ask the paper merchant for a sample of about 10 sheets 26 x 40. We've never been turned down. Gordon Xoxo Cyberprint Inc Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Finke Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 1:23 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Silverstone Cover Stock? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am looking for a ream (or even less! 100 would do it) of 80# cover, Silverstone, Classic Laid. Seems to be only available as a full-size mill order, which is overkill for the 500 Business Cards I am working on. None of my local paperhouses (or their branches) stock it anymore, just the 24# and envelopes. Checked some websites too. Grrr. Thanks! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing ? On Jul 11, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Mitch Eaton wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone have any experience with Spiel Associates Coilmaster > Jr. coil > binder? > > We've picked up a couple of accounts with some coil binding needs. > We have > an automated punch and we also have an old JBI UniCoil CB30 coil > inserter. > JBI is no more. The UniCoil machine has always been a PITA to set > up and > once set up, doesn't stay that way. We never use it. > > There are a couple of videos at http://www.spielassociates.com/ > video.htm . I > haven't priced one out yet, and we haven't looked real hard for > equipment to > do this kind of work. > > I'm looking for feedback on the company, machine, or alternatives > to this > product. > > TIA > > Mitch Eaton > The Printing Station > 1420 Locust Street > Des Moines, IA 50309 > 515-243-8144 > 866-866-7414 > Fax 515-243-6540 > mitch.eaton@printingstation.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From homedespot1 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 13 20:45:11 2008 From: homedespot1 at yahoo.com (J.S.A.) Date: Sun Jul 13 20:46:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers In Virginia In-Reply-To: <006201c8e511$2081ee90$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: <919337.12832.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello all, I'm wondering if there are any of us in the Northern, VA/DC/MD area? Thanks Jennifer Adelman Former Printowner not of SuperRoller (anymore) From Susan at cdandp.net Sun Jul 13 21:11:00 2008 From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton) Date: Sun Jul 13 21:13:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers In Virginia References: <919337.12832.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01c8e54e$7c4278c0$8302a8c0@Robbin> Dear Jennifer, I'm not in northern VA, but in the Shenandoah Valley about 3 hours southwest of you, if you ever want to get out of the 'burbs and come visit the 'burgs. Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, VA 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.S.A." To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 8:45 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers In Virginia > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello all, > > I'm wondering if there are any of us in the Northern, VA/DC/MD area? > > Thanks > > Jennifer Adelman > Former Printowner > not of SuperRoller (anymore) > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3263 (20080711) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From bcreighton at danielsprinting.us Sun Jul 13 21:42:48 2008 From: bcreighton at danielsprinting.us (Bill) Date: Sun Jul 13 21:43:19 2008 Subject: SPAM-LOW: [PrintOwners] Printers In Virginia In-Reply-To: <919337.12832.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <919337.12832.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <487AAF18.6080106@danielsprinting.us> I live in Annapolis. Shop is in Crofton, MD. Why do you ask? Bill J.S.A. wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello all, > > I'm wondering if there are any of us in the Northern, VA/DC/MD area? > > Thanks > > Jennifer Adelman > Former Printowner > not of SuperRoller (anymore) > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com Mon Jul 14 09:20:20 2008 From: Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com (Gerry Engelhart) Date: Mon Jul 14 09:20:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] folder needed Message-ID: <001301c8e5b4$5d9a81e0$7000000a@Engelhart> A Customer is looking for a manilla wallet with a flap...kinda like an envelope, but with no flap glue, It is made of an index tyope of stock ..feels like a #110 index. 1,000-3,000 pieces, printed in black ink Office supply companies do not seem to have it anyone out there know where to find such an animal 9.5 x12 3.5 inch flap #110 index manilla in color Gerry Engelhart Porath printsource Cleveland OH From StevePrint at aol.com Mon Jul 14 09:43:14 2008 From: StevePrint at aol.com (StevePrint@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 14 09:43:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] manilla wallet folder Message-ID: If you make a mock-up of it and give that to a company that makes Steel Rule Dies and does Diecutting, they can Diecut it and you most likely will have to hand glue it. We did one recently for a CPA firm. Steve Salstrom _www.iorderprinting.com_ (http://www.iorderprinting.com) **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From monty.usa at gmail.com Mon Jul 14 09:48:15 2008 From: monty.usa at gmail.com (monty.usa@gmail.com) Date: Mon Jul 14 09:48:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers In Virginia In-Reply-To: <000f01c8e54e$7c4278c0$8302a8c0@Robbin> References: <919337.12832.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <000f01c8e54e$7c4278c0$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: <54ffb7170807140648p3ad82aceg722ea1d77cf6246d@mail.gmail.com> Dear PrintOwners, I want to thank all the wonderful people that have helped me over the years. And just recently, when I had a situation with a fortune 500 company - you guys gave generously of your advice and know how. Everything has been settled amicably. I do not have words to express my gratitude to Bob, this list and its valuable contributors. Monty Kohli Digitz 6423 Warren Drive Norcross, GA 30093 843-324-1296 On 7/13/08, Susan Compton wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dear Jennifer, > > I'm not in northern VA, but in the Shenandoah Valley about 3 hours > southwest of you, if you ever want to get out of the 'burbs and come visit > the 'burgs. > > Susan Wells Compton > Compton Design & Printing Inc. > 109 South Jefferson Street > Lexington, VA 24450 > 540-463-9232 > 540-464-4329 Fax > Susan@cdandp.net > www.cdandp.net > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.S.A." > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" < > printowners@printweb.org> > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 8:45 PM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers In Virginia > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Hello all, >> >> I'm wondering if there are any of us in the Northern, VA/DC/MD area? >> >> Thanks >> >> Jennifer Adelman >> Former Printowner >> not of SuperRoller (anymore) >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3263 (20080711) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Mon Jul 14 10:39:44 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Mon Jul 14 10:39:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers In Virginia In-Reply-To: <919337.12832.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm in Tysons Corner. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: "J.S.A." > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:45:11 -0700 (PDT) > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers In Virginia > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello all, > > I'm wondering if there are any of us in the Northern, VA/DC/MD area? > > Thanks > > Jennifer Adelman > Former Printowner > not of SuperRoller (anymore) > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From greg at pressexpress.org Mon Jul 14 10:52:28 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon Jul 14 10:52:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4x8 coro signs Message-ID: <169E2764-DF1D-43C8-B561-7C70B60A04BF@pressexpress.org> need a source for 20 - 4x8 foot coroplast signs either silk screened or digitally printed. I believe vinyl would not be cost effective. Greg Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Jul 14 10:56:25 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Jul 14 10:56:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Are these guys legit? Message-ID: <98f5b19a0807140756h7d6e2174q4c3686ff04e4355e@mail.gmail.com> We received a fax from Yamit Printing Equipment (in Staten Island NY) this morning, that says "We buy all used printing equipment for export," and solicits a list of any equipment we might have available with a requested price. Has anybody had any experience with this outfit (or similar ones)? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From dominick at fmtc.com Mon Jul 14 11:08:56 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Mon Jul 14 11:09:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Are these guys legit? In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0807140756h7d6e2174q4c3686ff04e4355e@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0807140756h7d6e2174q4c3686ff04e4355e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <487B6C08.5040902@fmtc.com> Michael, Do not know about Yamit, but we sold our H-berg MO to this guy: NASH TRADING CO,INC www.nashgraphicmachinery.com TELL:972-836-3338 FAX : 1- 214-556-1152 CELL: 469-742-1004 It was strictly for export. He paid everything. Removal from building, truck, shipping. I netted $5000 for my 1985 MO. Thought he was joking till I got the cashiers check 2 days later. 2 days after the check arrived, the press was hauled away... Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We received a fax from Yamit Printing Equipment (in Staten Island NY) this > morning, that says "We buy all used printing equipment for export," and > solicits a list of any equipment we might have available with a requested > price. > > Has anybody had any experience with this outfit (or similar ones)? > > > From signal.graphics at snet.net Mon Jul 14 11:27:15 2008 From: signal.graphics at snet.net (Philip Bombart) Date: Mon Jul 14 11:27:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Anybody using Carbonite Online Backup In-Reply-To: <007f01c8c4d0$d284a850$778df8f0$@com> References: <007f01c8c4d0$d284a850$778df8f0$@com> Message-ID: <001001c8e5c6$19003b30$6a01a8c0@phil> I have 4 G1 staple compatible cartridges for my returned Canon 8070 copier for sale. They cost me $23 per and I would be sell them for $20 plus shipping or you can give me your UPS#/ Philip Bombart Signal Graphics Printing 63 Hebron Ave Glastonbury CT 06033 Signal.graphics@snet.net 860-633-3333 From copythatnyc at aol.com Mon Jul 14 11:28:51 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Mon Jul 14 11:29:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4x8 coro signs In-Reply-To: <169E2764-DF1D-43C8-B561-7C70B60A04BF@pressexpress.org> References: <169E2764-DF1D-43C8-B561-7C70B60A04BF@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: <8CAB3DD7409B956-1624-362@FWM-M32.sysops.aol.com> www.junosigns.com I use them when quantity gets to high. Sometimes I feel like using them for everything. Great price & a quality product! Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg Weinfurter To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:52 am Subject: [PrintOwners] 4x8 coro signs ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? need a source for 20 - 4x8 foot coroplast signs either silk screened or digitally printed.? ? I believe vinyl would not be cost effective.? ? Greg? ? ? Press Express? 1869 N. Stevens St.? Rhinelander, WI 54501? Phone 715-362-2828? Fax 715-369-2828? info@pressexpress.org? ? Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider? Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From george at cqamerica.net Mon Jul 14 11:31:57 2008 From: george at cqamerica.net (George Kittnar) Date: Mon Jul 14 11:32:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4x8 coro signs In-Reply-To: <169E2764-DF1D-43C8-B561-7C70B60A04BF@pressexpress.org> References: <169E2764-DF1D-43C8-B561-7C70B60A04BF@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: Try CustomSigns.Com - They have helped us out in the past. George George Kittnar CQ America, Inc. 7817 N. Second St Ste B Machesney Park, IL 61115 815-633-9150 george@cqamerica.net www.cqamerica.net -----Original Message----- From: Greg Weinfurter [mailto:greg@pressexpress.org] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:52 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] 4x8 coro signs ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** need a source for 20 - 4x8 foot coroplast signs either silk screened or digitally printed. I believe vinyl would not be cost effective. Greg Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1550 - Release Date: 7/13/2008 5:58 PM From greg at pressexpress.org Mon Jul 14 11:40:10 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon Jul 14 11:40:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4x8 coro signs In-Reply-To: <8CAB3DD7409B956-1624-362@FWM-M32.sysops.aol.com> References: <169E2764-DF1D-43C8-B561-7C70B60A04BF@pressexpress.org> <8CAB3DD7409B956-1624-362@FWM-M32.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <9E1A4D1D-480A-414E-A9CF-E5440259F64A@pressexpress.org> No go on this lead, cannot handle 4x8 foot anymore Thanks, their site does have great pricing on other sizes I use Greg On Jul 14, 2008, at 10:28 AM, Tommy Melendez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > www.junosigns.com I use them when quantity gets to high. Sometimes I > feel like using them for everything. Great price & a quality product! > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Weinfurter > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:52 am > Subject: [PrintOwners] 4x8 coro signs > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > need a source for 20 - 4x8 foot coroplast signs either silk screened > or digitally printed. > > I believe vinyl would not be cost effective. > > Greg > > > Press Express > 1869 N. Stevens St. > Rhinelander, WI 54501 > Phone 715-362-2828 > Fax 715-369-2828 > info@pressexpress.org > > Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider > Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > From greg at pressexpress.org Mon Jul 14 11:44:07 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon Jul 14 11:44:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4x8 coro signs In-Reply-To: References: <169E2764-DF1D-43C8-B561-7C70B60A04BF@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: That site just generated a link to sponsored businesses. Greg On Jul 14, 2008, at 10:31 AM, George Kittnar wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Try CustomSigns.Com - They have helped us out in the past. > > George > > George Kittnar > > CQ America, Inc. > 7817 N. Second St Ste B > Machesney Park, IL 61115 > > 815-633-9150 > george@cqamerica.net > www.cqamerica.net > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Weinfurter [mailto:greg@pressexpress.org] > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:52 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] 4x8 coro signs > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > need a source for 20 - 4x8 foot coroplast signs either silk > screened or digitally printed. > > I believe vinyl would not be cost effective. > > Greg > > > > Press Express > 1869 N. Stevens St. > Rhinelander, WI 54501 > Phone 715-362-2828 > Fax 715-369-2828 > info@pressexpress.org > > Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express > is a > licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1550 - Release Date: > 7/13/2008 > 5:58 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From bill at edmarkpress.com Mon Jul 14 12:02:32 2008 From: bill at edmarkpress.com (Bill) Date: Mon Jul 14 12:02:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4x8 coro signs In-Reply-To: References: <169E2764-DF1D-43C8-B561-7C70B60A04BF@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: <487B7898.9090301@edmarkpress.com> Try www.signline.com - www.hansonline.com - same company two different urls. Greg Weinfurter wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > That site just generated a link to sponsored businesses. > > Greg > > On Jul 14, 2008, at 10:31 AM, George Kittnar wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Try CustomSigns.Com - They have helped us out in the past. >> >> George >> >> George Kittnar >> >> CQ America, Inc. >> 7817 N. Second St Ste B >> Machesney Park, IL 61115 >> >> 815-633-9150 >> george@cqamerica.net >> www.cqamerica.net >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Greg Weinfurter [mailto:greg@pressexpress.org] >> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:52 AM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: [PrintOwners] 4x8 coro signs >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> need a source for 20 - 4x8 foot coroplast signs either silk >> screened or digitally printed. >> >> I believe vinyl would not be cost effective. >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> Press Express >> 1869 N. Stevens St. >> Rhinelander, WI 54501 >> Phone 715-362-2828 >> Fax 715-369-2828 >> info@pressexpress.org >> >> Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a >> licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1550 - Release Date: >> 7/13/2008 >> 5:58 PM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From copythatnyc at aol.com Mon Jul 14 12:04:02 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Mon Jul 14 12:04:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4x8 coro signs In-Reply-To: References: <169E2764-DF1D-43C8-B561-7C70B60A04BF@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: <8CAB3E25E0800FE-1624-646@FWM-M32.sysops.aol.com> What do you need printed on them? Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg Weinfurter To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:44 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 4x8 coro signs ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? That site just generated a link to sponsored businesses.? ? Greg? ? On Jul 14, 2008, at 10:31 AM, George Kittnar wrote:? ? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > Try CustomSigns.Com - They have helped us out in the past.? >? > George? >? > George Kittnar? >? > CQ America, Inc.? > 7817 N. Second St Ste B? > Machesney Park, IL 61115? >? > 815-633-9150? > george@cqamerica.net? > www.cqamerica.net? >? >? >? > -----Original Message-----? > From: Greg Weinfurter [mailto:greg@pressexpress.org]? > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:52 AM? > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only? > Subject: [PrintOwners] 4x8 coro signs? >? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > need a source for 20 - 4x8 foot coroplast signs either silk? > screened or digitally printed.=C 2 >? > I believe vinyl would not be cost effective.? >? > Greg? >? >? >? > Press Express? > 1869 N. Stevens St.? > Rhinelander, WI 54501? > Phone 715-362-2828? > Fax 715-369-2828? > info@pressexpress.org? >? > Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express > is a? > licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider? >? >? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? >? > --? > No virus found in this incoming message.? > Checked by AVG.? > Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1550 - Release Date: > 7/13/2008? > 5:58 PM? >? >? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? > --> This message has been scanned for viruses and? > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is? > believed to be clean.? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From bcreighton at danielsprinting.us Mon Jul 14 12:28:56 2008 From: bcreighton at danielsprinting.us (Bill Creighton) Date: Mon Jul 14 12:29:23 2008 Subject: SPAM-LOW: [PrintOwners] Are these guys legit? In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0807140756h7d6e2174q4c3686ff04e4355e@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0807140756h7d6e2174q4c3686ff04e4355e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <487B7EC8.406@danielsprinting.us> Yes, they are ok. Came and picked up 2 duplicators here in Maryland, paid cash, loaded them up, and went back to NY. Worked fine for us. Bill Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We received a fax from Yamit Printing Equipment (in Staten Island NY) this > morning, that says "We buy all used printing equipment for export," and > solicits a list of any equipment we might have available with a requested > price. > > Has anybody had any experience with this outfit (or similar ones)? > > > -- Bill Creighton Daniels Printing 2141 Priest Bridge Drive #5 Crofton, MD 21114 301.261.3426 bcreighton@danielsprinting.us From Rockyf at centurytel.net Mon Jul 14 12:30:36 2008 From: Rockyf at centurytel.net (Rocky) Date: Mon Jul 14 12:30:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] coroplast signs Message-ID: <001401c8e5ce$f4527f10$6801a8c0@rockey> Try ImageNThings in Mountain Home,Arkansas 870 424-4674 and ask for Steve. From soneal at conestogadpi.com Mon Jul 14 12:45:21 2008 From: soneal at conestogadpi.com (Shawn O'Neal) Date: Mon Jul 14 12:43:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4x8 coro signs In-Reply-To: <169E2764-DF1D-43C8-B561-7C70B60A04BF@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: <00e901c8e5d1$04a29ab0$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> Our trade price for 4' x 8 4mm white coro is $56 for text and $86 for heavy coverage plus shipping printed at medium resolution on UV flatbed. Shawn Conestoga dpi 246 N Lincoln Ave Lebanon PA 17046 717-389-0350 www.conestogadpi.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 10:52 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] 4x8 coro signs ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** need a source for 20 - 4x8 foot coroplast signs either silk screened or digitally printed. I believe vinyl would not be cost effective. Greg Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From slb at inkspot.net Mon Jul 14 13:49:51 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Jul 14 13:50:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 'scrip pad paper Message-ID: <487B597F.4958.E5A9D5E@slb.inkspot.net> I know I remember seeing this, but can't find the messages. What do you recommend as a source for paper for new prescription pads? TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From slb at inkspot.net Mon Jul 14 13:55:31 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Jul 14 13:56:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Are these guys legit? In-Reply-To: <487B6C08.5040902@fmtc.com> References: <98f5b19a0807140756h7d6e2174q4c3686ff04e4355e@mail.gmail.com>, <487B6C08.5040902@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <487B5AD3.16562.E5FCD73@slb.inkspot.net> We sold an SORDZ to Chris, from A-1 printing equipment, in Michigan. We also sold an old, decrepit cutter and an old Multi 1250 to a guy from Ohio who seems to send flyers looking for old plates and lead type, as well as old presses. Both paid as agreed, but the A-1 guy tried to weasel a bit before the removal (but, to be fair, he paid the original sum by EFT before his riggers started work), and the other guy tried to weasel at pickup. I can dig up the contact info, if you're interested.... Steve > > Michael, > Do not know about Yamit, but we sold our H-berg MO to this guy: > > NASH TRADING CO,INC > www.nashgraphicmachinery.com > TELL:972-836-3338 FAX : 1- 214-556-1152 CELL: 469-742-1004 > > It was strictly for export. He paid everything. Removal from building, truck, shipping. I netted $5000 for my 1985 MO. > > Thought he was joking till I got the cashiers check 2 days later. 2 days > after the check arrived, the press was hauled away... > > Joe Dominick > > Dominick's Quality Printing > 542 W. Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > 541.881.1121 > Fax 541.881.1599 > > www.dominicksprinting.com > dominick@fmtc.com > Michael Vogel wrote: Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From markath1 at verizon.net Mon Jul 14 13:58:10 2008 From: markath1 at verizon.net (Rick Martin) Date: Mon Jul 14 14:00:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 'scrip pad paper In-Reply-To: <487B597F.4958.E5A9D5E@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <000201c8e5db$3120a280$640a0a0a@advanced8l9v8x> We get security stock from Lindenmyer, but I would think most paper merchants have it by now. Void Pantograph and thermocromic ink on the back. Pricey, but it has already been printed twice before we get it! Hope it Helps. Rick Martin Advanced Print & Copy 229 Memorial Avenue W Springfield, MA 01089 413-736-9808 markath1@verizon.net www.advancedprintandcopy.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 1:50 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] 'scrip pad paper ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I know I remember seeing this, but can't find the messages. What do you recommend as a source for paper for new prescription pads? TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpc at clearnet.net Mon Jul 14 14:00:28 2008 From: cpc at clearnet.net (Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc.) Date: Mon Jul 14 14:00:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 'scrip pad paper In-Reply-To: <487B597F.4958.E5A9D5E@slb.inkspot.net> References: <487B597F.4958.E5A9D5E@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <487B943C.5090209@clearnet.net> We have been sourcing the paper from Paris Business Forms. http://www.pariscorp.com/products/doc_guard2.html Randy Hurley Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 17 South Third Street P.O. Box 23 Clearfield, PA 16830 814-765-4731 Fax: 814-765-1380 cpc@clearnet.net Steve Blatman wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I know I remember seeing this, but can't find the messages. > >What do you recommend as a source for paper for new prescription >pads? > >TIA, >Steve > >Steve Blatman >Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >Tel: 610-647-0776 >Fax: 610-647-4560 > > From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Mon Jul 14 14:04:00 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Mon Jul 14 14:03:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 'scrip pad paper In-Reply-To: <487B597F.4958.E5A9D5E@slb.inkspot.net> References: <487B597F.4958.E5A9D5E@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <487B9510.1050701@satx.rr.com> Zapco Prescription Paper. The Fasclampitt paper store here stocks it. 210-340-1996. Tell them I referred you. They will ship nationwide. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Steve Blatman wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I know I remember seeing this, but can't find the messages. > > What do you recommend as a source for paper for new prescription > pads? > > TIA, > Steve > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mfoster at chilitech.net Mon Jul 14 14:59:31 2008 From: mfoster at chilitech.net (Michael Foster) Date: Mon Jul 14 14:59:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Recycling plates and negs In-Reply-To: <487B597F.4958.E5A9D5E@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: Is anyone recycling old aluminum plates or negatives for dollars? If so, are you using someone local, or is there a recycler that is specific for our industry? I've got a basement full and it's time to clean it! Thanks in advance! -- Michael Foster The Print Shoppe 421 Washington Blvd. Williamsport, PA 17701 570-327-9005 Fax 570-327-9149 www.theprintshoppe.com mfoster@chilitech.net From jeff at hprinting.biz Mon Jul 14 15:13:21 2008 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Mon Jul 14 15:13:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Recycling plates and negs In-Reply-To: References: <487B597F.4958.E5A9D5E@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <20080714191313.5063.13405@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 02:59 PM 7/14/2008, you wrote: >Is anyone recycling old aluminum plates or negatives for dollars? >If so, are you using someone local, or is there a recycler that is specific >for our industry? Call Boggs Metal. We haven't found anyone offering more $$$. They're from NE Ohio, but run all over the place. (800) 837-8101. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From homedespot1 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 14 15:21:14 2008 From: homedespot1 at yahoo.com (J.S.A.) Date: Mon Jul 14 15:21:35 2008 Subject: SPAM-LOW: [PrintOwners] Printers In Virginia In-Reply-To: <487AAF18.6080106@danielsprinting.us> Message-ID: <771764.24966.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I ask because I'll be out that way mid-next week! Just how humid is it?? Jennifer Adelman Non possumus bibere tota die, si non incipimus bibere bene mane. --------------------------------------------------------------- Art, like morality, consists of drawing the line somewhere -G.K. Chesterton --- On Sun, 7/13/08, Bill wrote: > From: Bill > Subject: Re: SPAM-LOW: [PrintOwners] Printers In Virginia > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 7:42 PM > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I live in Annapolis. Shop is in Crofton, MD. Why do you > ask? > Bill > > J.S.A. wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Hello all, > > > > I'm wondering if there are any of us in the > Northern, VA/DC/MD area? > > > > Thanks > > > > Jennifer Adelman > > Former Printowner > > not of SuperRoller (anymore) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From tomk at kingprintingonline.com Mon Jul 14 15:22:06 2008 From: tomk at kingprintingonline.com (Tom King) Date: Mon Jul 14 15:22:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source for Fancy Die-Cut Menus Message-ID: <005a01c8e5e6$e71dd570$b5598050$@com> Customer wants a large menu (approx 22" x 13"). Full color, fancy die cutting, laminated, scored for folding - the whole shebang. Anyone have a reliable source? Thanks! Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From dominick at fmtc.com Mon Jul 14 15:56:48 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Mon Jul 14 15:56:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Custom Flags Message-ID: <487BAF80.7020301@fmtc.com> We are currently finishing our test runs on digitally creating one of a kind, single, custom flags. As I finish my research and testing, wanted to ask if anyone else has spent the time to figure it out. I have invested about $500 and 100 hours working on making sure we can do these. There is a huge market in my area, and almost have it. I am using a Canon IPF 8000S 44" printer, and the inks have proven waterproof. Worst part is the "cracking" after flapping in the wind for a few days. Looking for suggestions or ideas that others have done. (if any???) Thanks in advance for sharing. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com From copythatnyc at aol.com Mon Jul 14 16:07:55 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Mon Jul 14 16:08:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Venting Message-ID: <8CAB40470596687-1684-2A56@webmail-md14.sysops.aol.com> Just got my Con Edison bill. My bill just went from $289 to $683. Yes I am using AC to cool place down. It's an awful amount of a difference in price. With our canopy & window graphics by our large front windows & doors, we have cut down on the heat almost 70%. Our AC runs on low cool with energy saver on. Landlord used location before & ran the same AC on high all day & never was able to sustain a cool environment. Of course he had nothing to block off the sun rays. He though I purchased a new unit. It's bad enough making ends meet. Business is great, but here's the kicker. Con Edison just got approved for 22% for residential & 25% price hike for commercial. Some of you that live here in NYC know what I'm talking about. Sheez, there goes my getaway funds. Better start looking for a windmill to provide my energy in the future. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com From slb at inkspot.net Mon Jul 14 16:10:45 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Jul 14 16:11:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Old presses & plates In-Reply-To: <20080714191313.5063.13405@hm-pop1.solinus.com> References: <487B597F.4958.E5A9D5E@slb.inkspot.net>, , <20080714191313.5063.13405@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: <487B7A85.28620.EDB9AC1@slb.inkspot.net> That's the guy.... He's the one I mentioned to whom we'd sold an old cutter and a Multi. His guy tried to dicker on pickup, but paid the previously-agreed amount after a phone call.... Steve > > At 02:59 PM 7/14/2008, you wrote: > >Is anyone recycling old aluminum plates or negatives for dollars? > >If so, are you using someone local, or is there a recycler that is specific > >for our industry? > > > Call Boggs Metal. We haven't found anyone > offering more $$$. They're from NE Ohio, but run > all over the place. (800) 837-8101. > > Jeff > > Haines Printing Co. > 10575 W. Main Rd. > North East, PA 16428 > (814) 725-1955 o Fax (814) 725-2244 > email: jeff@hprinting.biz o www.hprinting.biz > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3266 (20080714) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From slb at inkspot.net Mon Jul 14 16:12:45 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Jul 14 16:13:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source for Fancy Die-Cut Menus In-Reply-To: <005a01c8e5e6$e71dd570$b5598050$@com> References: <005a01c8e5e6$e71dd570$b5598050$@com> Message-ID: <487B7AFD.2071.EDD7164@slb.inkspot.net> Ron Woodruff has the IGen version that will print a 22.5" sheet, so you could probably do this by brokering the printing to Ron, and the die cutting and laminating to whomever you usually use. YMMV, Steve > > Customer wants a large menu (approx 22" x 13"). Full color, fancy die > cutting, laminated, scored for folding - the whole shebang. Anyone have a > reliable source? > > Thanks! > > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3266 (20080714) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From greg at pressexpress.org Mon Jul 14 17:22:56 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon Jul 14 17:23:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4x8 coro signs In-Reply-To: <8CAB3E25E0800FE-1624-646@FWM-M32.sysops.aol.com> References: <169E2764-DF1D-43C8-B561-7C70B60A04BF@pressexpress.org> <8CAB3E25E0800FE-1624-646@FWM-M32.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7E84569E-1DA3-4A21-A0DD-94B5B886257F@pressexpress.org> one color red campaign crap. greg On Jul 14, 2008, at 11:04 AM, Tommy Melendez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What do you need printed on them? > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Weinfurter > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:44 am > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 4x8 coro signs > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > That site just generated a link to sponsored businesses. > > Greg > > On Jul 14, 2008, at 10:31 AM, George Kittnar wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Try CustomSigns.Com - They have helped us out in the past. >> >> George >> >> George Kittnar >> >> CQ America, Inc. >> 7817 N. Second St Ste B >> Machesney Park, IL 61115 >> >> 815-633-9150 >> george@cqamerica.net >> www.cqamerica.net >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Greg Weinfurter [mailto:greg@pressexpress.org] >> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:52 AM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: [PrintOwners] 4x8 coro signs >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> need a source for 20 - 4x8 foot coroplast signs either silk >> screened or digitally printed.=C > 2 >> >> I believe vinyl would not be cost effective. >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> Press Express >> 1869 N. Stevens St. >> Rhinelander, WI 54501 >> Phone 715-362-2828 >> Fax 715-369-2828 >> info@pressexpress.org >> >> Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express > > is a >> licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1550 - Release Date: > > 7/13/2008 >> 5:58 PM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> --> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > From greg at pressexpress.org Mon Jul 14 17:24:29 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon Jul 14 17:24:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4x8 coro signs In-Reply-To: <00e901c8e5d1$04a29ab0$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> References: <00e901c8e5d1$04a29ab0$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> Message-ID: <5D337B24-19EF-4C6A-8A05-6F2A03CF4CA3@pressexpress.org> This is a good starting point. No bleeds but big bold lettering so it is visible for a campaign. Does that qualify for heavy coverage? g On Jul 14, 2008, at 11:45 AM, Shawn O'Neal wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Our trade price for 4' x 8 4mm white coro is $56 for text and $86 > for heavy > coverage plus shipping printed at medium resolution on UV flatbed. > > Shawn > > Conestoga dpi > 246 N Lincoln Ave > Lebanon PA 17046 > 717-389-0350 > www.conestogadpi.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 10:52 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] 4x8 coro signs > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > need a source for 20 - 4x8 foot coroplast signs either silk > screened or digitally printed. > > I believe vinyl would not be cost effective. > > Greg > > > > Press Express > 1869 N. Stevens St. > Rhinelander, WI 54501 > Phone 715-362-2828 > Fax 715-369-2828 > info@pressexpress.org > > Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider > Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From mike at arborprinting.com Mon Jul 14 17:48:26 2008 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Mon Jul 14 17:49:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HELP: Editable PDF References: <007f01c8c4d0$d284a850$778df8f0$@com> <001001c8e5c6$19003b30$6a01a8c0@phil> Message-ID: <026501c8e5fb$59b58740$6b01a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Can anyone plese tell me how to make a customer PDF editbale? Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. 5100 Academy Dr., Ste 100 Lisle, IL 60532 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Bombart" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 10:27 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Anybody using Carbonite Online Backup > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have 4 G1 staple compatible cartridges for my returned Canon 8070 copier > for sale. > > They cost me $23 per and I would be sell them for $20 plus shipping or you > can give me your UPS#/ > > Philip Bombart > Signal Graphics Printing > 63 Hebron Ave > Glastonbury CT 06033 > Signal.graphics@snet.net > 860-633-3333 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From rstor at copycats.com Mon Jul 14 17:51:02 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Mon Jul 14 17:52:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Software for sale In-Reply-To: <7E84569E-1DA3-4A21-A0DD-94B5B886257F@pressexpress.org> References: <169E2764-DF1D-43C8-B561-7C70B60A04BF@pressexpress.org> <8CAB3E25E0800FE-1624-646@FWM-M32.sysops.aol.com> <7E84569E-1DA3-4A21-A0DD-94B5B886257F@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: <487BCA46.8050001@copycats.com> Some time ago we purchased a small service bureau. One of the items that we got was a RIP for the poster printer. We have other software and do not need it. It is Best ColorProof v 5.0. The box is kinda beat up, but the disks are fine, and it comes with the dongle. The software is a few years old, but useable. It can be upgraded to EFI's Colorproof - I don't know how much the upgrade will cost. I'm looking to get $160 for it (will ship priority mail). If interested, email me directly or call with questions. I can't guarantee that I will be able to answer, but try me. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com From sundance_print at yahoo.com Mon Jul 14 18:01:20 2008 From: sundance_print at yahoo.com (Wes Cornwell) Date: Mon Jul 14 18:01:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HELP: Editable PDF Message-ID: <491242.64480.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> First try to open it in Illustrator. That will tell you if the file is a raster object that can't be edited. If it opens and you can change text, that is as good as it gets generally. The words are all in little pieces so it's like editing type in MacDraw in 1987. Enfocus Pitstop can help too, but it cost's about $700, I think. Wes Cornwell Sundance Printing 10240 Progress lane Parker, CO 80134 303-841-3094 ----- Original Message ---- From: "Mike@arborprinting.com" To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 3:48:26 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] HELP: Editable PDF ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Can anyone plese tell me how to make a customer PDF editbale? Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. 5100 Academy Dr., Ste 100 Lisle, IL 60532 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Bombart" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 10:27 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Anybody using Carbonite Online Backup > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have 4 G1 staple compatible cartridges for my returned Canon 8070 copier > for sale. > > They cost me $23 per and I would be sell them for $20 plus shipping or you > can give me your UPS#/ > > Philip Bombart > Signal Graphics Printing > 63 Hebron Ave > Glastonbury CT 06033 > Signal.graphics@snet.net > 860-633-3333 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From pica18 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 14 18:19:46 2008 From: pica18 at hotmail.com (s polk) Date: Mon Jul 14 18:19:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Silverstone Cover Stock? In-Reply-To: <006201c8e511$2081ee90$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> References: <000901c8e361$1317aa30$f901a8c0@MitchDell> <5CF04185-8676-4845-9FD1-24C13195DC87@eos.net> <006201c8e511$2081ee90$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: I have most of a ream of Silverstone in linen finish. Steve McKinsey Printing Tryon, NC pica18@hotmail.com > From: gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com> To: printowners@printweb.org> Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Silverstone Cover Stock?> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:51:48 -0400> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****> > Scott> > Whenever we are confronted with this we ask the paper merchant for a sample of about 10 sheets 26 x 40. We've never been turned down.> > Gordon> Xoxo Cyberprint Inc> Toronto> > -----Original Message-----> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Finke> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 1:23 PM> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only> Subject: [PrintOwners] Silverstone Cover Stock?> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****> > I am looking for a ream (or even less! 100 would do it) of 80# cover, > Silverstone, Classic Laid.> > Seems to be only available as a full-size mill order, which is > overkill for the 500 Business Cards I am working on.> > None of my local paperhouses (or their branches) stock it anymore, > just the 24# and envelopes. Checked some websites too. Grrr.> > > > Thanks!> > Scott Finke> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -> Visit our new location!> > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc.> 8630 Winton Road> Cincinnati, Ohio 45231> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -> Phone: (513) 522.2679> Fax (513) 522.2692> Email: info@brentwood-printing.com> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -> www.Brentwood-Printing.com> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -> Send us your file at:> http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -> Quick. Quality. Printing> > ?> > On Jul 11, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Mitch Eaton wrote:> > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****> >> > Does anyone have any experience with Spiel Associates Coilmaster > > Jr. coil> > binder?> >> > We've picked up a couple of accounts with some coil binding needs. > > We have> > an automated punch and we also have an old JBI UniCoil CB30 coil > > inserter.> > JBI is no more. The UniCoil machine has always been a PITA to set > > up and> > once set up, doesn't stay that way. We never use it.> >> > There are a couple of videos at http://www.spielassociates.com/ > > video.htm . I> > haven't priced one out yet, and we haven't looked real hard for > > equipment to> > do this kind of work.> >> > I'm looking for feedback on the company, machine, or alternatives > > to this> > product.> >> > TIA> >> > Mitch Eaton> > The Printing Station> > 1420 Locust Street> > Des Moines, IA 50309> > 515-243-8144> > 866-866-7414> > Fax 515-243-6540> > mitch.eaton@printingstation.com> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > PrintOwners Discussion List> > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org> > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners> >> > _______________________________________________> PrintOwners Discussion List> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners> > > _______________________________________________> PrintOwners Discussion List> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners> _________________________________________________________________ The i?m Talkaton. Can 30-days of conversation change the world? http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_ChangeWorld From copythatnyc at aol.com Mon Jul 14 18:31:09 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Mon Jul 14 18:31:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Sledge Hammer Message-ID: <8CAB418728B8C2F-1194-104B@MBLK-M31.sysops.aol.com> I am just short of using a sledge hammer on OLD folder. We do maybe 5000 folds a month. Can't justify a purchase of a folder for so little orders. Can't say this part of the bindery department is going to grow in that area. 95% is trifold 8? x 11. As soon as you try to fold 14" FORGETABOUTIT. I might seem a little annoyed due to the earlier thread on our energy bill. Anyone out have an idea on why the back end of the fold on 14" rabbit ears? Yours truly Frustrated Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com From slb at inkspot.net Mon Jul 14 18:40:27 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Jul 14 18:40:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Sledge Hammer In-Reply-To: <8CAB418728B8C2F-1194-104B@MBLK-M31.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAB418728B8C2F-1194-104B@MBLK-M31.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <487B9D9B.30223.F64AAD3@slb.inkspot.net> If it's what I think it is, the sheet coming out of the first plate is crashing into the sheet going into the first plate. You need to increase the spacing (time interval) between the sheets. If your folder is old enough that all you can do is slow everything down, I'm not sure how you fix this problem. On our folder, the feed uses a pulsed vacuum, and we can increase the time between pulses (and so increase the time between sheets) independently of the speed of the folder motor. HTH, Steve > > I am just short of using a sledge hammer on OLD folder. We do maybe > 5000 folds a month. Can't justify a purchase of a folder for so little > orders. Can't say this part of the bindery department is going to grow > in that area. 95% is trifold 8½ x 11. As soon as you try to fold 14" > FORGETABOUTIT. I might seem a little annoyed due to the earlier thread > on our energy bill. Anyone out have an idea on why the back end of the > fold on 14" rabbit ears? > > Yours truly Frustrated > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3266 (20080714) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon Jul 14 18:42:49 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Mon Jul 14 18:42:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Sledge Hammer In-Reply-To: <8CAB418728B8C2F-1194-104B@MBLK-M31.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAB418728B8C2F-1194-104B@MBLK-M31.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003801c8e602$f1b4a510$6501a8c0@coranew> Before you get out the sledge hammer, you might tell us what kind of folder and what paper won't fold Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 854-0321 Fax (Call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 5:31 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Sledge Hammer ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am just short of using a sledge hammer on OLD folder. We do maybe 5000 folds a month. Can't justify a purchase of a folder for so little orders. Can't say this part of the bindery department is going to grow in that area. 95% is trifold 8? x 11. As soon as you try to fold 14" FORGETABOUTIT. I might seem a little annoyed due to the earlier thread on our energy bill. Anyone out have an idea on why the back end of the fold on 14" rabbit ears? Yours truly Frustrated Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3266 (20080714) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From copythatnyc at aol.com Mon Jul 14 18:57:01 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Mon Jul 14 18:57:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Sledge Hammer In-Reply-To: <003801c8e602$f1b4a510$6501a8c0@coranew> References: <8CAB418728B8C2F-1194-104B@MBLK-M31.sysops.aol.com> <003801c8e602$f1b4a510$6501a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <8CAB41C0FE3EB57-1194-121D@MBLK-M31.sysops.aol.com> Hiding under a rock right now. "Ahem" Martin Yale Seventeen Mark IV : ) Hey it's X-cellent on 11" & 17" Go figure! Fix or anchor? Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Cora To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 6:42 pm Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] RE: Sledge Hammer ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Before you get out the sledge hammer, you might tell us what kind of folder and what paper won't fold Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 854-0321 Fax (Call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 5:31 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Sledge Hammer ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am just short of using a sledge hammer on OLD folder. We do maybe 5000 folds a month. Can't justify a purchase of a folder for so little orders. Can't say this part of the bindery department is going to grow in that area. 95% is trifold 8? x 11. As soon as you try to fold 14" FORGETABOUTIT. I might seem a little annoyed due to the earlier thread on our energy bill. Anyone out have an idea on why the back end of the fold on 14" rabbit ears? Yours truly Frustrated Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3266 (20080714) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon Jul 14 19:13:01 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Mon Jul 14 19:12:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Sledge Hammer In-Reply-To: <8CAB41C0FE3EB57-1194-121D@MBLK-M31.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAB418728B8C2F-1194-104B@MBLK-M31.sysops.aol.com><003801c8e602$f1b4a510$6501a8c0@coranew> <8CAB41C0FE3EB57-1194-121D@MBLK-M31.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <004401c8e607$297fcca0$6501a8c0@coranew> I've never had good luck with Martin Yale so I am not the one to ask as I would say anchor, but if you are mechanically inclined and it is working for the rest of your jobs, maybe you could just send the 8.5x14 to your bindery to be folded until you get something that will do it. We belong to 2 trade groups here in town and one has a bindery service so I send some of my stuff to him for binding. Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 854-0321 Fax (Call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 5:57 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Sledge Hammer ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hiding under a rock right now. "Ahem" Martin Yale Seventeen Mark IV : ) Hey it's X-cellent on 11" & 17" Go figure! Fix or anchor? Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Cora To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 6:42 pm Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] RE: Sledge Hammer ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Before you get out the sledge hammer, you might tell us what kind of folder and what paper won't fold Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 854-0321 Fax (Call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 5:31 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Sledge Hammer ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am just short of using a sledge hammer on OLD folder. We do maybe 5000 folds a month. Can't justify a purchase of a folder for so little orders. Can't say this part of the bindery department is going to grow in that area. 95% is trifold 8? x 11. As soon as you try to fold 14" FORGETABOUTIT. I might seem a little annoyed due to the earlier thread on our energy bill. Anyone out have an idea on why the back end of the fold on 14" rabbit ears? Yours truly Frustrated Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3266 (20080714) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3266 (20080714) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon Jul 14 19:57:42 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon Jul 14 19:58:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Sledge Hammer In-Reply-To: <8CAB41C0FE3EB57-1194-121D@MBLK-M31.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAB418728B8C2F-1194-104B@MBLK-M31.sysops.aol.com> <003801c8e602$f1b4a510$6501a8c0@coranew> <8CAB41C0FE3EB57-1194-121D@MBLK-M31.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <200807142358.m6ENwpth014672@i2bnetworks.com> I'd kinda like to see it fly off one of your taller buildings... be good on YouTube.... S. At 03:57 PM 7/14/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Hiding under a rock right now. "Ahem" Martin >Yale Seventeen Mark IV : ) Hey it's X-cellent on >11" & 17" Go figure! Fix or anchor? > > >Copy That, Inc. >"Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" >3515 E. Tremont Avenue >Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >718.892.1859 >718.892.2315 Fax >www.copythatnyc.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Cora >To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business >Owners Only' >Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 6:42 pm >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] RE: Sledge Hammer > > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Before you get out the sledge hammer, you might tell us what kind of folder >and what paper won't fold > > >Class Act Printing and Foil >5801 W. Juno Street >Wichita, KS 67215-1742 >(316) 522-0733 >(316) 854-0321 Fax (Call first) >cpurvine1@cox.net >Microsoft Service Provider >Member NAQP > > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez >Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 5:31 PM >To: printowners@printweb.org >Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Sledge Hammer > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I am just short of using a sledge hammer on OLD folder. We do maybe >5000 folds a month. Can't justify a purchase of a folder for so little >orders. Can't say this part of the bindery department is going to grow >in that area. 95% is trifold 8?? x 11. As soon as you try to fold >14" >FORGETABOUTIT. I might seem a little annoyed due to the earlier thread >on our energy bill. Anyone out have an idea on why the back end of the >fold on 14" rabbit ears? > >Yours truly Frustrated > > >Copy That, Inc. >"Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" >3515 E. Tremont Avenue >Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >718.892.1859 >718.892.2315 Fax >www.copythatnyc.com >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3266 (20080714) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3267 (20080714) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From Copythatnyc at aol.com Mon Jul 14 23:03:17 2008 From: Copythatnyc at aol.com (Copythatnyc@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 14 23:03:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Sledge Hammer Message-ID: LOL Great guys. Anchors away. Any suggestions for low cost machine. My Martin does well with coated stock. Waht's the price ange I should look at. In a message dated 7/14/2008 5:00:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I'd kinda like to see it fly off one of your taller buildings... be good on YouTube.... S. At 03:57 PM 7/14/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Hiding under a rock right now. "Ahem" Martin >Yale Seventeen Mark IV : ) Hey it's X-cellent on >11" & 17" Go figure! Fix or anchor? > > >Copy That, Inc. >"Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" >3515 E. Tremont Avenue >Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >718.892.1859 >718.892.2315 Fax >www.copythatnyc.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Cora >To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business >Owners Only' >Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 6:42 pm >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] RE: Sledge Hammer > > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Before you get out the sledge hammer, you might tell us what kind of folder >and what paper won't fold > > >Class Act Printing and Foil >5801 W. Juno Street >Wichita, KS 67215-1742 >(316) 522-0733 >(316) 854-0321 Fax (Call first) >cpurvine1@cox.net >Microsoft Service Provider >Member NAQP > > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez >Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 5:31 PM >To: printowners@printweb.org >Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Sledge Hammer > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I am just short of using a sledge hammer on OLD folder. We do maybe >5000 folds a month. Can't justify a purchase of a folder for so little >orders. Can't say this part of the bindery department is going to grow >in that area. 95% is trifold 8?? x 11. As soon as you try to fold >14" >FORGETABOUTIT. I might seem a little annoyed due to the earlier thread >on our energy bill. Anyone out have an idea on why the back end of the >fold on 14" rabbit ears? > >Yours truly Frustrated > > >Copy That, Inc. >"Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" >3515 E. Tremont Avenue >Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >718.892.1859 >718.892.2315 Fax >www.copythatnyc.com >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3266 (20080714) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3267 (20080714) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From jvanruyven at yahoo.com Mon Jul 14 23:50:37 2008 From: jvanruyven at yahoo.com (Jhet van Ruyven) Date: Mon Jul 14 23:50:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] printshop owner Message-ID: <792943.99898.qm@web63813.mail.re1.yahoo.com> please include me in the list. thanks Jhet van Ruyven From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Tue Jul 15 09:10:02 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Tue Jul 15 09:10:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Sledge Hammer In-Reply-To: <8CAB418728B8C2F-1194-104B@MBLK-M31.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAB418728B8C2F-1194-104B@MBLK-M31.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <27DFE818-DEA3-4686-B751-92162E05526D@inkonpaper.biz> On Jul 14, 2008, at 6:31 PM, Tommy Melendez wrote: > I am just short of using a sledge hammer on OLD folder Don't destroy your old folder Put it on ebay I understand there are printers on this list who will buy it LOL Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Jul 15 09:23:15 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Jul 15 09:23:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Sledge Hammer In-Reply-To: <27DFE818-DEA3-4686-B751-92162E05526D@inkonpaper.biz> References: <8CAB418728B8C2F-1194-104B@MBLK-M31.sysops.aol.com> <27DFE818-DEA3-4686-B751-92162E05526D@inkonpaper.biz> Message-ID: <8CAB49512A7A87C-13B0-F51@mblk-d25.sysops.aol.com> Hey Loren if I put this on ebay, Jay Leno will put it on his Ebay bit sold or not sold. My nephew laugh at me the first time he seen it. He had said that this doesn't belong here, until he used it. Anyway, still looking for ideas. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Loren Maurina To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 9:10 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Sledge Hammer ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? On Jul 14, 2008, at 6:31 PM, Tommy Melendez wrote:? ? > I am just short of using a sledge hammer on OLD folder? ? Don't destroy your old folder? Put it on ebay? I understand there are printers on this list who will buy it? ? LOL? ? Loren Maurina? President? L & L Printing, Inc.? dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp? dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren? ? ph (586) 263-0060? fx (586) 263-4895? ? Loren@InkOnPaper.biz? ? "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle."? ? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http:// rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From bnjbriggs at juno.com Tue Jul 15 09:28:26 2008 From: bnjbriggs at juno.com (bnjbriggs@juno.com) Date: Tue Jul 15 09:30:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Sledge Hammer Message-ID: <20080715.092826.28099.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> I still don't think that you've told us what kind of folder it is. Floor or table top. Air or friction feed. Make, model, etc. Kind of paper? Bob Briggs, Evangel Printers, Bucksport, Maine ____________________________________________________________ Meditate on the best. Find great yoga mats for less by clicking now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iigVghwfGpknVF1ynHQfn5DaibFXakMAOSEHcTJdjgET9Xu2g/ From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Jul 15 10:01:19 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Jul 15 10:01:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Sledge Hammer In-Reply-To: <20080715.092826.28099.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080715.092826.28099.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CAB49A63A5EE30-17D4-146A@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> Gee Thanks Bob - Martin Yale table top friction feed. I've ran 714's before & seen them on ebay. But those are workhorse for orders of 5000 or more. I do around that much a month. I'll invest $800 - $1200 for one. I better start pushing folding : ) Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: bnjbriggs@juno.com To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 9:28 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Sledge Hammer ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I still don't think that you've told us what kind of folder it is. Floor or table top. Air or friction feed. Make, model, etc. Kind of paper? Bob Briggs, Evangel Printers, Bucksport, Maine ____________________________________________________________ Meditate on the best. Find great yoga mats for less by clicking now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iigVghwfGpknVF1ynHQfn5DaibFXakMAOSEHcTJdjgET9Xu2g/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Tue Jul 15 12:36:59 2008 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Tue Jul 15 12:37:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HELP!!! Power Point to something Usable!!! References: <20080715.092826.28099.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> <8CAB49A63A5EE30-17D4-146A@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <97A00DBB08D943F6A1D8EEED5EDF7085@Nancy> I need help from the masters!!!! A customer has a sale ad that was prepared in Power Point. We need to move it into InDesign (or something) so that we can fix it. (Going back to the person who designed it isn't an option. It is obvious they don't know what they are doing or they would not have used Power Point to begin with.) Since we don't have a power point guru on staff, I am coming to the masters of printing for help!!!! How do we/or Can we do this. TIA Nan Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Tue Jul 15 13:32:42 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Tue Jul 15 13:32:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HELP!!! Power Point to something Usable!!! In-Reply-To: <97A00DBB08D943F6A1D8EEED5EDF7085@Nancy> References: <20080715.092826.28099.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> <8CAB49A63A5EE30-17D4-146A@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> <97A00DBB08D943F6A1D8EEED5EDF7085@Nancy> Message-ID: <487CDF3A.1080503@satx.rr.com> Export to WMF and open in AI to fix it. Works for me most of the time. If this doesn't do it call me and I'll share another harder work around. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Nancy wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I need help from the masters!!!! > > A customer has a sale ad that was prepared in Power Point. We need to > move it into InDesign (or something) so that we can fix it. (Going > back to the person who designed it isn't an option. It is obvious they > don't know what they are doing or they would not have used Power Point > to begin with.) > Since we don't have a power point guru on staff, I am coming to the > masters of printing for help!!!! How do we/or Can we do this. > > TIA > > Nan > > Nancy Middleton > The Printing Place, Inc. > 5878 Cook Road, Suite F > Milford, OH 45150 > nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com > Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax > 877/248-8774 Toll Free > www.theprintingplaceinc.com > we now have web hosting > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Jul 15 13:30:51 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Jul 15 13:32:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HELP!!! Power Point to something Usable!!! In-Reply-To: <97A00DBB08D943F6A1D8EEED5EDF7085@Nancy> References: <20080715.092826.28099.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> <8CAB49A63A5EE30-17D4-146A@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> <97A00DBB08D943F6A1D8EEED5EDF7085@Nancy> Message-ID: <200807151732.m6FHW1dc072933@i2bnetworks.com> Make a press level PDF from the Powerpoint file, Then have at it with PitStop, or Illustrator if you don't have PitStop (which you should). Thats about the most you can hope for besides rebuilding it. S. At 09:36 AM 7/15/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I need help from the masters!!!! > >A customer has a sale ad that was prepared in Power Point. We need >to move it into InDesign (or something) so that we can fix it. >(Going back to the person who designed it isn't an option. It is >obvious they don't know what they are doing or they would not have >used Power Point to begin with.) >Since we don't have a power point guru on staff, I am coming to the >masters of printing for help!!!! How do we/or Can we do this. > >TIA > >Nan > >Nancy Middleton >The Printing Place, Inc. >5878 Cook Road, Suite F >Milford, OH 45150 >nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com >Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax >877/248-8774 Toll Free >www.theprintingplaceinc.com >we now have web hosting >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3269 (20080715) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From gamble at choiceonemail.com Tue Jul 15 13:33:25 2008 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Tue Jul 15 13:33:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HELP!!! Power Point to something Usable!!! In-Reply-To: <97A00DBB08D943F6A1D8EEED5EDF7085@Nancy> References: <20080715.092826.28099.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com><8CAB49A63A5EE30-17D4-146A@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> <97A00DBB08D943F6A1D8EEED5EDF7085@Nancy> Message-ID: <017901c8e6a0$e2cc6120$0201a8c0@RICK> Can you save as a PDF and drop that into indesign and make your changes? If not I have an older version of power point I believe it is Microsoft office 1995 version. I can open and save as a PDF for you. HTH Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 12:37 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] HELP!!! Power Point to something Usable!!! ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I need help from the masters!!!! A customer has a sale ad that was prepared in Power Point. We need to move it into InDesign (or something) so that we can fix it. (Going back to the person who designed it isn't an option. It is obvious they don't know what they are doing or they would not have used Power Point to begin with.) Since we don't have a power point guru on staff, I am coming to the masters of printing for help!!!! How do we/or Can we do this. TIA Nan Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From hal at pickimp.com Tue Jul 15 13:41:20 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Tue Jul 15 13:36:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HELP!!! Power Point to something Usable!!! References: <20080715.092826.28099.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com><8CAB49A63A5EE30-17D4-146A@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> <97A00DBB08D943F6A1D8EEED5EDF7085@Nancy> Message-ID: <002201c8e6a2$00fc8a20$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Take a look here. http://tinyurl.com/6juutw Hal ----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 12:36 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] HELP!!! Power Point to something Usable!!! ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I need help from the masters!!!! A customer has a sale ad that was prepared in Power Point. We need to move it into InDesign (or something) so that we can fix it. (Going back to the person who designed it isn't an option. It is obvious they don't know what they are doing or they would not have used Power Point to begin with.) Since we don't have a power point guru on staff, I am coming to the masters of printing for help!!!! How do we/or Can we do this. TIA Nan Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Tue Jul 15 13:54:58 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Tue Jul 15 13:55:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Re: HELP!!! Power Point to something Usable!!! In-Reply-To: <20080715173337.B32BDFD904D@rb.enter.net> References: <20080715173337.B32BDFD904D@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: The other tips will allow you to fix small issues. If the thing is not lined up, low res images and just bad design, your better off starting over. Use it as a guide. Try and save out the links if they are high res (95% of time they are not) or get the org files/links from customer and redo the design. I explain what I can do, how much it will cost that we are professionals in printing design and do not use a program that was not meant for high quality printing. 3/4 of the time they will pay us to do the best we can, use the links we have and go from there. The rest will try them selves to fix it or just tell us to print it... John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Tue Jul 15 14:00:25 2008 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Tue Jul 15 14:00:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HELP!!! Power Point to something Usable!!! References: <20080715.092826.28099.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com><8CAB49A63A5EE30-17D4-146A@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com><97A00DBB08D943F6A1D8EEED5EDF7085@Nancy> <002201c8e6a2$00fc8a20$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Thanks everyone About the time I started receiving answers, he yelled across the shop that he had it. Thanks again, I knew this list would come through!!! Nan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hal Wendt" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] HELP!!! Power Point to something Usable!!! ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Take a look here. http://tinyurl.com/6juutw Hal ----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 12:36 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] HELP!!! Power Point to something Usable!!! ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I need help from the masters!!!! A customer has a sale ad that was prepared in Power Point. We need to move it into InDesign (or something) so that we can fix it. (Going back to the person who designed it isn't an option. It is obvious they don't know what they are doing or they would not have used Power Point to begin with.) Since we don't have a power point guru on staff, I am coming to the masters of printing for help!!!! How do we/or Can we do this. TIA Nan Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From soneal at conestogadpi.com Tue Jul 15 14:11:39 2008 From: soneal at conestogadpi.com (Shawn O'Neal) Date: Tue Jul 15 14:11:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4x8 coro signs In-Reply-To: <5D337B24-19EF-4C6A-8A05-6F2A03CF4CA3@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: <01ac01c8e6a6$3d60c1d0$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> If it was red flood with white letters that would be heavy. Red text on white coro would be light coverage. Shawn O'Neal Conestoga dpi www.conestogadpi.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 5:24 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 4x8 coro signs ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** This is a good starting point. No bleeds but big bold lettering so it is visible for a campaign. Does that qualify for heavy coverage? g On Jul 14, 2008, at 11:45 AM, Shawn O'Neal wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Our trade price for 4' x 8 4mm white coro is $56 for text and $86 > for heavy > coverage plus shipping printed at medium resolution on UV flatbed. > > Shawn > > Conestoga dpi > 246 N Lincoln Ave > Lebanon PA 17046 > 717-389-0350 > www.conestogadpi.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 10:52 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] 4x8 coro signs > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > need a source for 20 - 4x8 foot coroplast signs either silk > screened or digitally printed. > > I believe vinyl would not be cost effective. > > Greg > > > > Press Express > 1869 N. Stevens St. > Rhinelander, WI 54501 > Phone 715-362-2828 > Fax 715-369-2828 > info@pressexpress.org > > Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider > Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Tue Jul 15 14:31:59 2008 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Tue Jul 15 14:32:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Re: HELP!!! Power Point to something Usable!!! References: <20080715173337.B32BDFD904D@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7A5B365457524B389C94673D3DF02606@Nancy> The art file is from a high end mattress manufacturer. .My customer is retiring and the Mfg. is doing a special sale. but the Mfg. Rep . created the flyer instead of having the art department create the file. UG!!! We have transferred it over to InDesign and we are working to try to salvage this. My customer understands and is working with us. We are also telling the Mfg. Rep to fax us a copy of the finished art. At least we can see the fonts she used and the layout. If we know where we are going it should be a little easier to get there,. Thanks again for all the help Nan ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Henry" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:54 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Re: HELP!!! Power Point to something Usable!!! > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The other tips will allow you to fix small issues. If the thing is not > lined > up, low res images and just bad design, your better off starting over. Use > it as a guide. Try and save out the links if they are high res (95% of > time > they are not) or get the org files/links from customer and redo the > design. > > I explain what I can do, how much it will cost that we are professionals > in > printing design and do not use a program that was not meant for high > quality > printing. 3/4 of the time they will pay us to do the best we can, use the > links we have and go from there. The rest will try them selves to fix it > or > just tell us to print it... > > > > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. > PO Box 815 > 125-129 East First Street > Oswego, NY 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 fax > (315) 532-0620 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From files at aloha4print.com Tue Jul 15 14:44:45 2008 From: files at aloha4print.com (Nancy Denney) Date: Tue Jul 15 14:40:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Blankets for Press In-Reply-To: <97A00DBB08D943F6A1D8EEED5EDF7085@Nancy> References: <20080715.092826.28099.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> <8CAB49A63A5EE30-17D4-146A@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> <97A00DBB08D943F6A1D8EEED5EDF7085@Nancy> Message-ID: Hi All, Does anyone know of a good supplier of 4-ply "Blue Satin" blankets with bars by Republic? TIA, Nancy @ Aloha Print & Copy, LLC St. Peters, MO www.aloha4print.ocm From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Jul 15 15:08:58 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 15 15:09:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Attention S. Florida Printers Message-ID: If you own a printing business in South Florida (W. Palm and South and on either coast) or know of someone else who is selling their printing business I would like to talk to you privately. I have been asked by two gentlemen from South America who are financially well qualified to help them find a printing business for sale that is currently doing $750,000 to $1 million in annual sales and is reasonably profitable with potential for further growth. If you know of any small Flexo printers that would be a plus. Thanks in advance for your help. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. 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(http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Jul 15 16:03:18 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Jul 15 16:03:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing service question Message-ID: <98f5b19a0807151303q7056b859gfc43ceefd80f4f5d@mail.gmail.com> Item: saddle stitched 8.5x11 newsletter To be mailed Presorted Std If it is mailed as a flat (i.e.not folded down to 5.5x8.5) with the address panel on the back -- must the open side be tabbed? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From sundance_print at yahoo.com Tue Jul 15 16:17:05 2008 From: sundance_print at yahoo.com (Wes Cornwell) Date: Tue Jul 15 16:17:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing service question Message-ID: <659512.76407.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No, flats don't need to be tabbed unless they have loose inserts in them. I always stress that with my customers because I don't like to fold newsletters down to 5.5x8.5. Unfortunately, flats are a lot more expensive to send than they used to be. Wes Cornwell Sundance Printing 10240 Progress lane Parker, CO 80134 303-841-3094 ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael Vogel To: "printowners@printweb.org" Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:03:18 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing service question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Item: saddle stitched 8.5x11 newsletter To be mailed Presorted Std If it is mailed as a flat (i.e.not folded down to 5.5x8.5) with the address panel on the back -- must the open side be tabbed? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jvanruyven at yahoo.com Tue Jul 15 17:41:52 2008 From: jvanruyven at yahoo.com (Jhet van Ruyven) Date: Tue Jul 15 17:41:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Newbie need your wisdom and expertise Message-ID: <181681.81853.qm@web63814.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Dear Fellows: I'm so grateful someone sent me a link to this group. My name is Jhet as in "jetplane"?from British Columbia Canada. Own a small print shop for 14 years now but an absentee for 3+ years. Let the business run by two managers who both left to start own print business. Am back to square one perhaps two :) I need to rejuvinate the business and upgrade.? Anyone please share me your wisdom about job estimating? We are behind technology and using no electronic system. Any insights on Printsmith, printer'splan or?quick smart or anything else in the market that is most appropriate for a small digi-tal print shop like mine? Also what is your thoughts on getting into franchise system. I thought of this as an easy way out of non-system. I do not mind sharing the profit in forms of royalty if I can adopt and have a system and support in place. I sincerely appreciate insights from you guys. Jhet van Ruyven Living in a life of gratitude, abundance and purpose Digi-Print Graphics Plus Surrey, B.C. Canada 1-604-536-9741 1-604-536-9751 www.digiprintgraphics.com www.thetaleofjuliet.com From mark at imageproprint.com Tue Jul 15 18:20:14 2008 From: mark at imageproprint.com (Mark) Date: Tue Jul 15 18:20:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM 46-2 Tinting Problem In-Reply-To: <181681.81853.qm@web63814.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: We?re having a problem with our Heidelberg Quickmaster 46-2. We?re getting a faint tinting across the sheet about 9? down from the gripper edge ? about ?? wide running the full width of the sheet and it appears again at about 11?, but even fainter. It is only on Unit 1. Unit 2 never has this problem. It only shows up on longer runs and only with some colors of ink. We?re running Mitsubishi Silver Digiplates off a Genesis DPX platesetter. Ink roller pressures were recently checked. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. TIA. Mark Rowley ImagePro Printing & Copying, Inc. 95 West Harding Ave. Cedar City, UT 84720 435-586-1105 435-586-0499 fax mark@imageproprint.com From mark at imageproprint.com Tue Jul 15 18:28:46 2008 From: mark at imageproprint.com (Mark) Date: Tue Jul 15 18:28:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Newbie need your wisdom and expertise In-Reply-To: <181681.81853.qm@web63814.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6AE231975CCA413FBF7AEFBDEBEAB4C9@domain1.local> Welcome Jhet! We went with Printer's Plan about 5 years ago. I've used PrintSmith as well in the past. We love Printer's Plan. We use the quick sales function for our cash register for the small sales and the regular Printer's Plan job entry for everything else. We do both digital and traditional printing. We're in a fairly small rural market and enter about 25 regular Printer's Plan jobs a day. We looked at PrintSmith, PrintLeader, and Printers Plan. You can download demos and try them out to see which you like better. But no matter which one you end up with, it'll be much better than any manual system. We've never looked back. Mark Rowley ImagePro Printing & Copying, Inc. 95 West Harding Ave. Cedar City, UT 84720 435-586-1105 435-586-0499 fax mark@imageproprint.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jhet van Ruyven > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:42 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Newbie need your wisdom and expertise > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dear Fellows: > I'm so grateful someone sent me a link to this group. My name is Jhet as > in "jetplane"?from British Columbia Canada. Own a small print shop for 14 > years now but an absentee for 3+ years. Let the business run by two > managers who both left to start own print business. > Am back to square one perhaps two :) I need to rejuvinate the business and > upgrade.? Anyone please share me your wisdom about job estimating? We are > behind technology and using no electronic system. > Any insights on Printsmith, printer'splan or?quick smart or anything else > in the market that is most appropriate for a small digi-tal print shop > like mine? > Also what is your thoughts on getting into franchise system. I thought of > this as an easy way out of non-system. I do not mind sharing the profit in > forms of royalty if I can adopt and have a system and support in place. > I sincerely appreciate insights from you guys. > Jhet van Ruyven > Living in a life of gratitude, abundance and purpose > Digi-Print Graphics Plus > Surrey, B.C. Canada > 1-604-536-9741 > 1-604-536-9751 > www.digiprintgraphics.com > www.thetaleofjuliet.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Tue Jul 15 18:50:18 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Tue Jul 15 18:51:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel upper to lower case Message-ID: Is there any way to change an excel file that is in all caps to upper & lower case? I have a mail list that is all caps and I want to create a variable data post card and want U&L. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Jul 15 18:59:28 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Jul 15 18:59:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Newbie need your wisdom and expertise In-Reply-To: <181681.81853.qm@web63814.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <181681.81853.qm@web63814.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CAB4E5919817C8-13BC-2219@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com> Welcome back to the world of printing. Oh though I don't believe in the royalty's they do provide a sense of comfort to organize & start your engines again. As far as a estimating system, I've been with printer's plan it has provided an avenue of control over quoting & billing our clients. Like any system there is a learning curve & trust me I'm not using it to it's full potential yet! Please continue to request for more info & start subscribing to all our porno magazines like Digital Graphics, Wide format printing & the best of all Quick Printing. There's always a nice fold out from John Stewart's articles that can turn you on to many facets of our Great Industry. If you have the time NAQP/NAPL are great associations to look into. Which by the way they are doing their annual owner's conference in Chicago this coming October 23rd - 26th. You can get your rocks off there where they provide you with a wealth of information. Right after the conference you can journey thru the miles of equipment, software & accessories provided at the yearly Graph Expo. Well good luck & good hunting Tommy Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Jhet van Ruyven To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 5:41 pm Subjec t: [PrintOwners] Newbie need your wisdom and expertise ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dear Fellows: I'm so grateful someone sent me a link to this group. My name is Jhet as in "jetplane"?from British Columbia Canada. Own a small print shop for 14 years now but an absentee for 3+ years. Let the business run by two managers who both left to start own print business. Am back to square one perhaps two :) I need to rejuvinate the business and upgrade.? Anyone please share me your wisdom about job estimating? We are behind technology and using no electronic system. Any insights on Printsmith, printer'splan or?quick smart or anything else in the market that is most appropriate for a small digi-tal print shop like mine? Also what is your thoughts on getting into franchise system. I thought of this as an easy way out of non-system. I do not mind sharing the profit in forms of royalty if I can adopt and have a system and support in place. I sincerely appreciate insights from you guys. Jhet van Ruyven Living in a life of gratitude, abundance and purpose Digi-Print Graphics Plus Surrey, B.C. Canada 1-604-536-9741 1-604-536-9751 www.digiprintgraphics.com www.thetaleofjuliet.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Jul 15 19:01:45 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 15 19:01:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel upper to lower case Message-ID: In a message dated 7/15/2008 6:53:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark@pipsturgeonbay.com writes: Is there any way to change an excel file that is in all caps to upper & lower case? I have a mail list that is all caps and I want to create a variable data post card and want U&L. Check out the function PROPER in excel. That should work fine.... it takes all caps or all lower and converts to what it terms proper. in a column adjoining the all caps text, type =proper(cell name). Then grab formula and drag it down to copy the formula all the way down... then delete original column... John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Jul 15 19:04:25 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Jul 15 19:05:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Newbie need your wisdom and expertise In-Reply-To: <181681.81853.qm@web63814.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <181681.81853.qm@web63814.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200807152305.m6FN5ZEv047585@i2bnetworks.com> Welcome to the party Jhet. If you have some time while you're in the process of rebuilding your business, get a copy of this: http://tinyurl.com/5h7aay and read it. Even though it uses large public companies as examples (mostly because public companies have so much data available about them for the research for this book... mainly because they are public) many of the concepts can be easily applied to a small business. Pay particular attention to the "first Who then What...getting the right people on the bus" section. I say this because since you've been absentee (an almost impossible task for a healthy profitable printing company I might add...except maybe for Armand who's also on this list (I sure couldn't do it)) owner and may not have been involved in the hiring process, you may have people on staff that can't all row in the same direction with strength and purpose. You may have to replace a few. Good systems are also essential, not only for estimating, but for managing all areas of the business like scheduling, billing, data reports looking for key information and trends on what your doing and where you're making money etc. etc. I would suggest Printer's Plan has the best software out there these days and would be what I would recommend. Its affordable, and the owners are the nicest people on the planet. http://www.printersplan.com You don't need a franchise because now you have us. This list has on it some of the best people and minds in the business that own (or have owned) small and mid size printing companies. Other owners are your best source of info because most of us have been baptized by fire (more than a few times).... We'll tell you the real deal. Join NAQP. Ask questions here. Go to the Chicago Owners conference in October and meet many of us. Roll up your sleeves and get to work. S. At 03:32 PM 7/15/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Dear Fellows: I'm so grateful someone sent me a link to this group. >My name is Jhet as in "jetplane" from British Columbia Canada. Own a >small print shop for 14 years now but an absentee for 3+ years. Let >the business run by two managers who both left to start own print >business. Am back to square one perhaps two :) I need to rejuvinate >the business and upgrade. Anyone please share me your wisdom about >job estimating? We are behind technology and using no electronic >system. Any insights on Printsmith, printer'splan or quick smart or >anything else in the market that is most appropriate for a small >digi-tal print shop like mine? Also what is your thoughts on getting >into franchise system. I thought of this as an easy way out of >non-system. I do not mind sharing the profit in forms of royalty if >I can adopt and have a system and support in place. I sincerely >appreciate insights from you guys. Jhet van Ruyven Living in a life >of gratitude, abundance and purpose Digi-Print Graphics Plus Surrey, >B.C. Canada 1-604-536-9741 1-604-536-9751 www.digiprintgraphics.com >www.thetaleofjuliet.com >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3270 (20080715) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue Jul 15 19:11:37 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Tue Jul 15 19:11:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Newbie need your wisdom and expertise In-Reply-To: <181681.81853.qm@web63814.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <181681.81853.qm@web63814.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <011201c8e6d0$2207ed30$6501a8c0@coranew> You can try Printer's Plan for a year and if you don't like it, you can get your money back, but there are so many of us that like it that I am sure once you try it you will like it as well as the rest of us do. Their number is: 1-800-638-7526 X 101 www.printersplan.com They just updated the program also. Let us know what you think Cora. Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 854-0321 Fax (Call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jhet van Ruyven Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:42 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Newbie need your wisdom and expertise ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dear Fellows: I'm so grateful someone sent me a link to this group. My name is Jhet as in "jetplane"?from British Columbia Canada. Own a small print shop for 14 years now but an absentee for 3+ years. Let the business run by two managers who both left to start own print business. Am back to square one perhaps two :) I need to rejuvinate the business and upgrade.? Anyone please share me your wisdom about job estimating? We are behind technology and using no electronic system. Any insights on Printsmith, printer'splan or?quick smart or anything else in the market that is most appropriate for a small digi-tal print shop like mine? Also what is your thoughts on getting into franchise system. I thought of this as an easy way out of non-system. I do not mind sharing the profit in forms of royalty if I can adopt and have a system and support in place. I sincerely appreciate insights from you guys. Jhet van Ruyven Living in a life of gratitude, abundance and purpose Digi-Print Graphics Plus Surrey, B.C. Canada 1-604-536-9741 1-604-536-9751 www.digiprintgraphics.com www.thetaleofjuliet.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3270 (20080715) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Tue Jul 15 19:16:35 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (Larry Taylor) Date: Tue Jul 15 19:16:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Print shop for sale J. Stewart Message-ID: Sounds like the same spam I got for Southern Arizona!!!!!! >>>>If you own a printing business in South Florida (W. Palm and South and >>>>on either coast) or know of someone else who is selling their printing business I would like to talk to you privately. I have been asked by two gentlemen from South America who are financially well qualified to help them find a printing business for sale that is currently doing $750,000 to $1 million in annual sales and is reasonably profitable with potential for further growth. If you know of any small Flexo printers that would be a plus. Thanks in advance for your help. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 85711 www.theshackbook.com Only novel I've ever recommended. From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Jul 15 19:44:53 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 15 19:44:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Print shop for sale J. Stewart Message-ID: In a message dated 7/15/2008 7:17:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eatnsleepgolf@msn.com writes: Sounds like the same spam I got for Southern Arizona!!!!!! Larry, I am curious about the above comment as well as what you are implying? I don't know of anything in the message that I posted that would qualify as being called spam. Maybe you could explain your comment a bit more. Thanks. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From dominick at fmtc.com Tue Jul 15 20:23:03 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Tue Jul 15 20:23:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Print shop for sale J. Stewart In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <487D3F67.7080401@fmtc.com> I would be interested also, as everything John has posted has been straight forward. I just wish his sales per year and location were different. I would have given him my name! Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 7/15/2008 7:17:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > eatnsleepgolf@msn.com writes: > > Sounds like the same spam I got for Southern Arizona!!!!!! > > > > Larry, > > I am curious about the above comment as well as what you are implying? I > don't know of anything in the message that I posted that would qualify as being > called spam. Maybe you could explain your comment a bit more. Thanks. > > John Stewart > The Quick Consultant > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > 321-727-2442 > FAX 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > > Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > By Larry Hunt and myself. > > > > **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music > scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1544 - Release Date: 7/10/2008 7:37 AM > > > > From k_graham at hotmail.com Tue Jul 15 21:30:31 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Tue Jul 15 21:30:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Sledge Hammer References: <8CAB418728B8C2F-1194-104B@MBLK-M31.sysops.aol.com><003801c8e602$f1b4a510$6501a8c0@coranew> <8CAB41C0FE3EB57-1194-121D@MBLK-M31.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: >I am just short of using a sledge hammer on OLD folder. We do maybe >5000 folds a month. Can't justify a purchase of a folder for so little >orders. Can't say this part of the bindery department is going to grow >in that area. 95% is trifold 8? x 11. As soon as you try to fold >14" >FORGETABOUTIT. I might seem a little annoyed due to the earlier thread >on our energy bill. Anyone out have an idea on why the back end of the >fold on 14" rabbit ears? I've used a Martin Yale, so I am going to simply suggest the folding basics. Clean the rollers, consider rubber rejuvinator or if you don't have that Iso Propyl Alcohol, Martin Yale Rollers I think are rubber and should not be too slick., Check the corner of the paper is not in an open area of the slot, it should be in a flat area of the fold plate, perhaps move paper left or right a bit if this is the issue. Clean the feed wheel and separating rubber roller to ensure sheets are feeding individually. About every 3 to 500 sheets clean separator with Isopropyl alcohol, as needed. Make sure fold plates have no damage, if they have damage perhaps you can switch the positions, move paper side to side, polish out the damage etc. Old rollers may not be straight anymore which means paper might be slipping, perhaps try putting a straight edge across them,. There is a thin rubber folding tape out there one can use as a temporary fix on rollers that are slipping, you spiral it around with a 1/2" or so gap. I recently used some non vulcanized 3M brand electricians rubber tape for some electrical work (makes a waterproof connection) seems like it might do the same job and be available locally at under 10.00 roll. Old rollers decrease in diameter so plate markings for common folds are incorrect, adjust to what works and create new marks. Start looking for a replacement folder. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com Dawson Creek BC - but currently enjoying Mexico, Tapachula Chiapas. From joseph at mauiprintworks.com Tue Jul 15 21:31:21 2008 From: joseph at mauiprintworks.com (Joseph Marsh) Date: Tue Jul 15 21:31:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Doc 242 w/ Creo Message-ID: Is there anyone on the list that currently has a 242 or similar X machine with the Creo rip? We currently have Doc 240 with embedded rip and are wondering what some of the differences on the rip would be. Can you get better color adjustments with the Creo rip than with the embedded rip? Are there additional skew adjustments on the Creo rip? Thanks! Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 Cell: 808-264-6382 joseph@mauiprintworks.com From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Tue Jul 15 22:05:22 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Tue Jul 15 22:05:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Newbie need your wisdom and expertise In-Reply-To: <181681.81853.qm@web63814.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <181681.81853.qm@web63814.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <117EB05C-21B2-4386-9B65-0989FECD0ABB@bellsouth.net> Jhet, You have already received some great replies. I use Printsmith, but if I was starting fresh, I would probably use Printer's Plan.... Here is my two cents worth though. The first thing I would do, which you may have already done, is to go personally visit the 20% of your customers who are 80% of your sales. Your percentages may vary somewhat, but you need to see your top customers today. I am fairly confident the two managers who left to start their own printing company will be calling on them if they haven't already. The estimating system, etc., need to wait. If these customers leave for the new company, they will be hard to get back. Now is the time for an "ounce of prevention" if it is not already too late. Did I say this was urgent? Do it now. Today. Before Lunch.... Even a day's delay could cost you a top customer.... Good luck with everything. This list will be a tremendous asset... Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Jul 15, 2008, at 5:41 PM, Jhet van Ruyven wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dear Fellows: > I'm so grateful someone sent me a link to this group. My name is > Jhet as in "jetplane" from British Columbia Canada. Own a small > print shop for 14 years now but an absentee for 3+ years. Let the > business run by two managers who both left to start own print > business. > Am back to square one perhaps two :) I need to rejuvinate the > business and upgrade. Anyone please share me your wisdom about job > estimating? We are behind technology and using no electronic system. > Any insights on Printsmith, printer'splan or quick smart or anything > else in the market that is most appropriate for a small digi-tal > print shop like mine? > Also what is your thoughts on getting into franchise system. I > thought of this as an easy way out of non-system. I do not mind > sharing the profit in forms of royalty if I can adopt and have a > system and support in place. > I sincerely appreciate insights from you guys. > Jhet van Ruyven > Living in a life of gratitude, abundance and purpose > Digi-Print Graphics Plus > Surrey, B.C. Canada > 1-604-536-9741 > 1-604-536-9751 > www.digiprintgraphics.com > www.thetaleofjuliet.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From jvanruyven at yahoo.com Wed Jul 16 06:25:08 2008 From: jvanruyven at yahoo.com (Jhet van Ruyven) Date: Wed Jul 16 06:25:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Newbie - What a beautiful world with print owners around Message-ID: <514656.13305.qm@web63811.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Dear Angels: So much to be grateful for today. All the printowners who offered your best heartwarming insights. Sounds cosmic -apologies for non believers - but you guys are super wonderful souls. You touched my heart with overwhelming response, tips and tricks... and kick in the b.....t or tough love. :) ?Unbelievable that you find time to response to this wandering soul. I'm no longer alone. Thank you. Quick Action Plan: 1) I already requested Printer's plan demo. Heard this first hand from?Website for Printers. What I need to do now is try it out. 2) to revisit 20% of customers. Ouchh this is real work?- honestly,?I discovered we do not even have an updated database (this is another thing I need to get cracking on - upgrade our database from 3 years ago on Maximizer) any recommendation - excel powerful enough? Do you have template? 3) check local printers association - never paid much attention to this because I thought I'm too small (no press and in truth and reality I'm as petite as you can imagine a lady:)? 4) meeting tomorrow am to VP on a Franchise company (ahh good escape, more funds injection in exchange for system, support and possibly fast-track rejuvenation) ??? Any advise those who are in a Franchise? *** + rolling up sleeves and help in production - what I am comfortable of doing is cerlox bind and pouch laminating (that's about?it) I am probably the only 1 or a few?in the whole world who owns a digi-tal print shop who doesn't even know how to use the copy machines we have - absent for 3+ years for great cause and reason (seriously not just an excuse) If I may share a short-long cut of the story.? I started this business single-handedly (husband support but he has full time job to put bread on the table) against the advise of a lawyer, 2 young children at that time, an immigrant (grammar sucks read on...), no experience but a dream of owning a business.?Three years later without system in place yet, I expanded to another location in same community. Had been broken into 2x, long battle with insurance company until? the lawyers intervention. Closed down the first shop after 5 years?- high staff turn over and sliding down sales. Here's the turning point...Five years ago one of my employee who was with me from day 1 of the business, had a brain aneurism in front of me, called 911, she died next day. I took stock of my life and realized how blessed and fortunate I am. I looked back and realized how many people have helped me to where I am and who I become. I came from extreme poverty and someone believed in me - had it not been for this particular person and many more along the way I will not be where I am today. I asked myself why am I realy hear for?, how can I pay forward? I wrote a book, self published and determined to touch other peoples lives. My life turned into magic. If you are not bored yet you can check out www.thetaleofjuliet.com. Thats what I have been doing in the last 4 years - my good excuse leaving the print shop into the hands of really great employees - (so grateful for their presence in my life - business was doing alright and let me pursue my passion and do what I love to do) until this last 3 months, sales are down half from last year. Another turning point, to add that early this year I was also diagnose with cancer. I did my absolute best to conquer it through natural healing process Optimum Health Institute, San Diego, CA. 2 months ago another biopsy was all negative of cancer cells. How could I not be more thankful! I have to be honest with everyone of you, my passion is no longer the printing industry although I love about the business side of it.??The left over profit (not much this year and it's understandable)?helped me continue my passion of inspiring?others.?I am committed to revive and rejuvenate the business just like?re-claiming my vibrant?health once again, take it to the next level and pass the torch to whoever will take pride and see the benefits of owning a business. 2-5 years plan. ***I really would love to continue what I have started speaking, training and sharing inspiration to others so they too can live the life they fully deserved. I hope you can agree with me that some of you are also thinking what do you really truly love to do for the rest of your life aside from printing. Do you have exit strategies? Hope you can also find time to smell the roses. Life is too short, live your dreams. Enjoy life. Big dreams don't have deadlines. Yikes what am I doing here. It's 3 am. I could have gone to bed early and be ready to roll up my sleeves to punch some more holes- few binding to do tomorrow, but see sharing is my passion in the hope that you can find inspiration or find this really conceited and boring. Life is what we make it. Sending you all positive loving energies... we printers make the world of business go round and we are surely contritubing and enhancing the life of other entreprenuers. Hats off to everyone! Breathe success and peace! Jhet van Ruyven ?Living in a life of gratitude, abundance and purpose ?Digi-Print Graphics Plus Surrey, B.C. Canada 1-604-536-9741 1-604-536-9751 www.digiprintgraphics.com www.thetaleofjuliet.com From jvanruyven at yahoo.com Wed Jul 16 06:52:59 2008 From: jvanruyven at yahoo.com (Jhet van Ruyven) Date: Wed Jul 16 06:53:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Newbie need your wisdom and expertise Message-ID: <431044.44159.qm@web63808.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Thank you so very much for your insight Tommy. - Ha..ha.. Okey I will start subscribing to porno mags. - will check out NAQP/NAPL in the area. My family is booked to go back to Philippines for my fathers 80th birthday party in October. - I almost bought into MBE- Mailbox ETC. before I started my own and have the same principle - now years later, when I know 'been there, done that.. still no system.? Yes you're right I could almost feel the "comfort" of a franchise holding my hand and guiding me and future staff, in exchange for sharing profit with them. I wanted to fast track to cash flow again I'm almost leaning towards sharing the profits in exchange for proprietary system they spent a lot of dollars on so they can have repeat passive income (royalties) over and over and over again. I'm so lucky that something is left with my company, operating with an on and off manual system, and owners neglect. Gee?I do not even have a solid job description for production person. Nor a employee-employer contract in place - Any freebes, sample and idea? How long have you been in business? Do you have a press? Amazing I was on your site the other day, when I was checking out Websites for Printer. So you took the whole package? How long have you been using their website? Has it increase your business since? I was in New Jersey few weeks ago and a day in NYC - wish I knew you then. I love to re-train with a printer like you. Instead of Franchise I thought if I can team up with other printer not in the area who would be willing to take my hand and lead me to the right path.... Hmmmm what do you want in exchange - a trip to Canada to train us and my staff. just a thought. Peace adn breathe success! ? Jhet van Ruyven ?Living in a life of gratitude, abundance and purpose ?Digi-Print Graphics Plus Surrey, B.C. Canada 1-604-536-9741 1-604-536-9751 www.digiprintgraphics.com www.thetaleofjuliet.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Tommy Melendez To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:59:28 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Newbie need your wisdom and expertise ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Welcome back to the world of printing. Oh though I don't believe in the royalty's they do provide a sense of comfort to organize & start your engines again. As far as a estimating system, I've been with printer's plan it has provided an avenue of control over quoting & billing our clients. Like any system there is a learning curve & trust me I'm not using it to it's full potential yet! Please continue to request for more info & start subscribing to all our porno magazines like Digital Graphics, Wide format printing & the best of all Quick Printing. There's always a nice fold out from John Stewart's articles that can turn you on to many facets of our Great Industry. If you have the time NAQP/NAPL are great associations to look into. Which by the way they are doing their annual owner's conference in Chicago this coming October 23rd - 26th. You can get your rocks off there where they provide you with a wealth of information. Right after the conference you can journey thru the miles of equipment, software & accessories provided at the yearly Graph Expo. Well good luck & good hunting Tommy Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Jhet van Ruyven To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 5:41 pm Subjec t: [PrintOwners] Newbie need your wisdom and expertise ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dear Fellows: I'm so grateful someone sent me a link to this group. My name is Jhet as in "jetplane"?from British Columbia Canada. Own a small print shop for 14 years now but an absentee for 3+ years. Let the business run by two managers who both left to start own print business. Am back to square one perhaps two :) I need to rejuvinate the business and upgrade.? Anyone please share me your wisdom about job estimating? We are behind technology and using no electronic system. Any insights on Printsmith, printer'splan or?quick smart or anything else in the market that is most appropriate for a small digi-tal print shop like mine? Also what is your thoughts on getting into franchise system. I thought of this as an easy way out of non-system. I do not mind sharing the profit in forms of royalty if I can adopt and have a system and support in place. I sincerely appreciate insights from you guys. Jhet van Ruyven Living in a life of gratitude, abundance and purpose Digi-Print Graphics Plus Surrey, B.C. Canada 1-604-536-9741 1-604-536-9751 www.digiprintgraphics.com www.thetaleofjuliet.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cahill at bizprint.com Wed Jul 16 10:44:53 2008 From: cahill at bizprint.com (Cahill@bizprint.com) Date: Wed Jul 16 10:45:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Print shop for sale J. Stewart In-Reply-To: <487D3F67.7080401@fmtc.com> Message-ID: I just wish his sales per year and location were different. I would have > given him my name! > > Joe Dominick Eastern Oregon...Southern Florida... Maybe you could tell them the Snake River is just like the Pacific Ocean? -- Cahill Jones BizPrint Boise, Idaho > From: Dominick's Printing > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:23:03 -0600 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Print shop for sale J. Stewart > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I would be interested also, as everything John has posted has been > straight forward. > > I just wish his sales per year and location were different. I would have > given him my name! > > Joe Dominick > > Dominick's Quality Printing > 542 W. Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > 541.881.1121 > Fax 541.881.1599 > > www.dominicksprinting.com > dominick@fmtc.com > > QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> >> In a message dated 7/15/2008 7:17:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >> eatnsleepgolf@msn.com writes: >> >> Sounds like the same spam I got for Southern Arizona!!!!!! >> >> >> >> Larry, >> >> I am curious about the above comment as well as what you are implying? I >> don't know of anything in the message that I posted that would qualify as >> being >> called spam. Maybe you could explain your comment a bit more. Thanks. >> >> John Stewart >> The Quick Consultant >> _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) >> 321-727-2442 >> FAX 321-727-2166 >> Cell: 321-794-6259 >> 2110 S. Dairy Road >> West Melbourne, FL 32904 >> >> Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) >> By Larry Hunt and myself. >> >> >> >> **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music >> scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! >> (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> Internal Virus Database is out of date. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1544 - Release Date: 7/10/2008 >> 7:37 AM >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Jul 16 10:56:23 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 16 10:56:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Print shop for sale J. Stewart Message-ID: In a message dated 7/16/2008 10:47:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cahill@bizprint.com writes: Eastern Oregon...Southern Florida... Maybe you could tell them the Snake River is just like the Pacific Ocean? These gentlemen would buy a business tomorrow if they could find the right one and I know these printing firms exist but it looks like I will be renting some mailing lists to get the word out. One of the gentlemen (both run two very successful printing & flexo firms in South America) just got his Visa and they have established a corp. in Florida. One has two immediate relatives in the Miami area and thus people they can turn to for answers to specific problems and support while getting adjusted. Both are very fluent in both Spanish and English and South Florida is a convenient departure point for return visits to South America. With the heavy emphasis of printing in S. Florida and the fact that printing represents a $8-10 billion dollar industry in the state it just seems natural that they would settle there. So, if you know of anyone down there who is interested in selling or talking then have them contact me privately. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From dennis.trump at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 11:12:32 2008 From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump) Date: Wed Jul 16 11:12:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM 6500 physical location question. Message-ID: <41aa6a080807160812p2e5466ffqbbe4ae102121982b@mail.gmail.com> I'm wondering if those of you who have the KM6500 can answer a question for me. The spot I have available for this machine is next to my Graphic Artists in another segment of their room. It is about 20 ft away from them at a right angle. The question I have is there too much noise to consider this for an installation our should I be looking at building out a room specifically for the machine? That would create some challenges for me to accomplish that. My only other option would be to move it into my plant area. My plant is pretty neat but certainly not spotless and has 17 ft ceilings. This would give me plenty of work room but be a distance to the machine and the potential for dust. What are your thoughts? I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts on the physical aspects of this unit. Thanks, -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 From kellycrom at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 11:36:54 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Wed Jul 16 11:37:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] pricing Digifolders Message-ID: <019501c8e759$c79ed540$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Anyone willing to share how you are pricing Digifolders? We are thinking about offering them, but are unsure how to price. 1 - $ 10 - $ 25 - $ 100 - $ Thanks for your input! Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! From Minmandon at aol.com Wed Jul 16 12:01:19 2008 From: Minmandon at aol.com (Minmandon@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 16 12:02:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] pricing Digifolders Message-ID: I just did 100 folders for one of my accounts. I charged $3.50 each. The customer was thrilled. Putting the pockets on 100 folders can be time consuming. Factoring that in I thought the $3.50 was very reasonable. Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield Beach 954 421-9904 **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Wed Jul 16 12:09:45 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Wed Jul 16 12:09:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Newbie - What a beautiful world with print ownersaround In-Reply-To: <514656.13305.qm@web63811.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <514656.13305.qm@web63811.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00bc01c8e75e$5e205b20$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Bad move in my opinion. Been there. Paid a lot to get out. You will have a partnership you cannot dissolve for over 20 years. I have found that this list has been a lot more helpful than my franchisor. Others may feel differently. Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc Toronto 4) meeting tomorrow am to VP on a Franchise company (ahh good escape, more funds injection in exchange for system, support and possibly fast-track rejuvenation) ??? Any advise those who are in a Franchise? *** + rolling up sleeves and help in production - what I am comfortable of doing is cerlox bind and pouch laminating (that's about?it) I am probably the only 1 or a few?in the whole world who owns a digi-tal print shop who doesn't even know how to use the copy machines we have - absent for 3+ years for great cause and reason (seriously not just an excuse) From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Jul 16 12:23:06 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Jul 16 12:23:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM 6500 physical location question. Message-ID: <324F0691-4D01-4492-B804-A93295C00CF9@protypeonline.com> Dennis, are your graphic artists currently involved in any other "production" -- outputting to other copiers? Addressing to the HP printers? Our machines in Paxton and Normal are positioned as you are proposing in your shop but it is close to these employees because they are doing the production and they are checking the color and settings. Will this be the case with your staff? If so, the location sounds perfect. Your shop is clean enough for the machine but too far away! I know my staff checks every couple hundred copies to make sure color is still "on". robin Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 Wright Printing Company 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From jacemeister at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 12:37:15 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Wed Jul 16 12:37:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Newbie need your wisdom and expertise In-Reply-To: <431044.44159.qm@web63808.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <431044.44159.qm@web63808.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've been scanning lots of emails very quickly so pardon me if I'm repeating what someone else said or if my perception of what you're looking for isn't 100% on target, but if you really want to "fast track", before you sign on with a franchise and commit a large percentage of your profits, why not consider spending a few bucks on one or two of the top industry consultants? You'll still have the option of taking the franchise route, but why not do a little more work on your own before diving in? I opened Bayou Printing in a 768 sq ft backyard shed in 1983. Other shops are more efficient and profitable than mine, but my shop's performance levels have consistently been within the top 25% if not the top 10% for owners compensation, sales per employee, and most other standards by which our associations use to gauge success for their membership. I'd be glad to answer any questions if you want to call. Rather than writing a book and repeating what I've been writing for many years, let me recommend that you call John Stewart (Business Phone 321-727-2442 or Cell Phone 321-794-6259) and schedule an on site consultation, if he's willing. I believe he's semi-retired but you'd be fortunate if you can talk him into coming to your shop. You can find a wealth of information on his web site www.quickconsultant.com and he has authored at least four industry-related books, including his most recent publication *"Print Shop For Sale"* * * co-authored with Larry Hunt (an extremely informed, modest, intelligent source of information in his own right)! I have been very fortunate to spend time with both of these smart men as well as most of the other popular industry consultants and I will be the first to testify that following their advice has made a world of difference in my business and personal life. Along with joining NAQP, buying Printers Plan, reading Quick Printing Magazine (cover to cover), and a lot of good luck, I can honestly tell you without a doubt that hiring a good consultant is some of the best money you could spend. Are there some bad ones? Hell yes! They'll take your money and sleep perfectly well at night! BUT, if you find a good one the benefits you will reap will be beyond measurability (I don't think that's a word but it sounds good to me ). Books are a great source of knowledge and I have been an avid reader for most of my adult life, but if you want to "fast track" and get the biggest bang for your buck, call John today. Just remember - if you aren't open-minded and willing to accept and implement his advice, you're wasting your time and his. Best of luck, -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 5:52 AM, Jhet van Ruyven wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thank you so very much for your insight Tommy. > - Ha..ha.. Okey I will start subscribing to porno mags. > - will check out NAQP/NAPL in the area. My family is booked to go back to > Philippines for my fathers 80th birthday party in October. > - I almost bought into MBE- Mailbox ETC. before I started my own and have > the same principle - now years later, when I know 'been there, done that.. > still no system. Yes you're right I could almost feel the "comfort" of a > franchise holding my hand and guiding me and future staff, in exchange for > sharing profit with them. I wanted to fast track to cash flow again I'm > almost leaning towards sharing the profits in exchange for proprietary > system they spent a lot of dollars on so they can have repeat passive income > (royalties) over and over and over again. > I'm so lucky that something is left with my company, operating with an on > and off manual system, and owners neglect. > Gee I do not even have a solid job description for production person. > Nor a employee-employer contract in place - > Any freebes, sample and idea? > How long have you been in business? Do you have a press? > Amazing I was on your site the other day, when I was checking out Websites > for Printer. So you took the whole package? > How long have you been using their website? > Has it increase your business since? > I was in New Jersey few weeks ago and a day in NYC - wish I knew you then. > I love to re-train with a printer like you. > Instead of Franchise I thought if I can team up with other printer not in > the area who would be willing to take my hand and lead me to the right > path.... Hmmmm what do you want in exchange - a trip to Canada to train us > and my staff. > just a thought. > Peace adn breathe success! > > Jhet van Ruyven > Living in a life of gratitude, abundance and purpose > Digi-Print Graphics Plus > Surrey, B.C. Canada > 1-604-536-9741 > 1-604-536-9751 > www.digiprintgraphics.com > www.thetaleofjuliet.com > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Tommy Melendez > To: printowners@printweb.org > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:59:28 PM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Newbie need your wisdom and expertise > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Welcome back to the world of printing. Oh though I don't believe in the > royalty's they do provide a sense of comfort to organize & start your > engines again. As far as a estimating system, I've been with printer's > plan it has provided an avenue of control over quoting & billing our > clients. Like any system there is a learning curve & trust me I'm not > using it to it's full potential yet! Please continue to request for > more info & start subscribing to all our porno magazines like Digital > Graphics, Wide format printing & the best of all Quick Printing. > There's always a nice fold out from John Stewart's articles that can > turn you on to many facets of our Great Industry. If you have the time > NAQP/NAPL are great associations to look into. Which by the way they > are doing their annual owner's conference in Chicago this coming > October 23rd - 26th. You can get your rocks off there where they > provide you with a wealth of information. Right after the conference > you can journey thru the miles of equipment, software & accessories > provided at the yearly Graph Expo. > > Well good luck & good hunting > > Tommy > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jhet van Ruyven > To: printowners@printweb.org > Sent: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 5:41 pm > Subjec > t: [PrintOwners] Newbie need your wisdom and expertise > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dear Fellows: > I'm so grateful someone sent me a link to this group. My name is Jhet > as in > "jetplane" from British Columbia Canada. Own a small print shop for 14 > years now > but an absentee for 3+ years. Let the business run by two managers who > both left > to start own print business. > Am back to square one perhaps two :) I need to rejuvinate the business > and > upgrade. Anyone please share me your wisdom about job estimating? We > are behind > technology and using no electronic system. > Any insights on Printsmith, printer'splan or quick smart or anything > else in the > market that is most appropriate for a small digi-tal print shop like > mine? > Also what is your thoughts on getting into franchise system. I thought > of this > as an easy way out of non-system. I do not mind sharing the profit in > forms of > royalty if I can adopt and have a system and support in place. > I sincerely appreciate insights from you guys. > Jhet van Ruyven > Living in a life of gratitude, abundance and purpose > Digi-Print Graphics Plus > Surrey, B.C. Canada > 1-604-536-9741 > 1-604-536-9751 > www.digiprintgraphics.com > www.thetaleofjuliet.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mark at cordesprinting.com Wed Jul 16 13:07:03 2008 From: mark at cordesprinting.com (Mark Cordes) Date: Wed Jul 16 13:01:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] pricing Digifolders In-Reply-To: <019501c8e759$c79ed540$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <019501c8e759$c79ed540$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <487E2AB7.5050503@cordesprinting.com> Kelly -- Here is something I came up with once to help with this question. It's a little long but I think it will give you some good food for thought. Mark Mark Cordes Cordes Printing, Inc. (and DigiFolders!) 460 Braen Avenue Wyckoff, NJ 07481 201.652.7272 mark@cordesprinting.com www.cordesprinting.com Pricing DigiFolders I am often asked by printing and copy shop owners ?How much should I charge for DigiFolders?? Usually I?m tempted to respond with ?As much as you possibly can!?. Pricing an item like DigiFolders is not much different than how you should price any of your products or services. Many times print / copy owners approach pricing from the ?cost + markup = selling price? position. This is how pricing seems to have been done for centuries. Unfortunately it also puts us in the commodity mode (how many times do you hear the question ?how much per thousand?) and we wind up selling too low. Obviously there is always a cost component and you don?t want to ignore that reality. But the bigger questions to answer are: What other ways could this order be produced in the time frame the client needs it, giving them the desired end product they have in mind? Would the alternatives be less costly and could your company make enough of a markup to go that direction? So for instance, if a client comes to you this morning and says ?I need 50 pocket folders tomorrow afternoon. I want them in full color and they need to look really superb as this is an important meeting we need these for?. What options do you have available if you go outside to get this printed? In many cases I have seen pricing from folder companies that would run approximately $1000 for them to do this for you. If you did that, how much would you want to mark it up? Needless to say, this would probably be out of the question price-wise for most of our clients. So if you went with DigiFolders, start with your cost. Depending on how you buy DigiFolders determines your cost. You can buy just pockets, using your own paper for the folder itself or you can buy a complete package with pre-scored paper. As you buy higher quantities the cost per unit comes down. Now take into consideration the details of imaging the folder. Is the client supplying a file? Are you designing it for them? What would you charge in either of those scenarios? Now how much do you want for each sheet you image? Last step in the process ? assembly, which must be done by hand of course and will take a little time. How much do you normally charge for hand assembly (collating, kit assembly, etc.)? Once you add all those numbers together you are almost done in determining your price. This is the most critical element in pricing which is considering how much would other options have cost and what is the value to the client? Value to the client is the ultimate key in determining the price. Some will say ?Hey, isn?t that sort of like charging whatever the traffic will bear? That doesn?t seem very fair!?. And have you ever purchased an airline ticket to travel during a peak time ? say around the holidays for instance? You paid more for the ticket because it was worth it to you, that?s when you wanted to travel and you were willing to pay the higher price. In the instance I quoted above if you paid $1000 for 50 full color folders in order to get them tomorrow and you ONLY marked them up 20% (which seems kind of low in my opinion) you would have to charge your client $1200 for those 50 folders. That works out to $24.00 per folder! Now, if you go the DigiFolders route let?s say for argument sake that your cost between materials, click charges, computer time etc. comes to $1.95 (based on a supplied file). Mind you this is strictly an approximate cost for illustration purpose and your cost may be different. Now you have $97.50 into the job. If you sold the folders for $5.00 each your clients total cost is $250.00 ? a far cry from the $1200 going the outside route! I suspect you could charge quite a bit more ($6.00, $7.00 or even $8.00 each) and your client would be happy to pay it! I can?t overemphasize the VALUE element in pricing any product or service. As a matter of fact there are probably some things you shouldn?t sell because there just isn?t enough value to your client and they won?t pay you what you would need to charge to make a profit. But there are MANY products and services that if you are giving your clients what they need (and want) they will pay you a very decent price which nets you a profit and you will fulfill their needs. DigiFolders is one of those items. Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Anyone willing to share how you are pricing Digifolders? We are thinking > about offering them, but are unsure how to price. > > 1 - $ > 10 - $ > 25 - $ > 100 - $ > > Thanks for your input! > > Kelly Crom > Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 > Plymouth, MN 55441 > (763)231-6970 > kellycrom@gmail.com > www.applied-graphics.com > > p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's > Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com > ! > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Wed Jul 16 13:04:30 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Wed Jul 16 13:04:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Newbie - What a beautiful world with print ownersaround In-Reply-To: <00bc01c8e75e$5e205b20$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> References: <514656.13305.qm@web63811.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <00bc01c8e75e$5e205b20$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: <24E815AC-CE96-4067-B59D-EDB4D55BD5AC@inkonpaper.biz> On Jul 16, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Gordon Watt wrote: > Bad move in my opinion. Been there. Paid a lot to get out. You will > have a > partnership you cannot dissolve for over 20 years. > > I have found that this list has been a lot more helpful than my > franchisor. > > Others may feel differently. I'll weigh in on this subject I'm sure there are some very bad franchisors And I know of many horror stories from franchisees I have a quite different story my relationship with the franchisor has been ( for the most part ) good I also have very realistic expectation I don't expect them to go out and sell printing and bring me the orders I did expect them to give me a set of "best practice" and a "business model" I do expect them to look ahead of the curve at trends, equipment, and business opportunities I do expect them to have answers ( or find the answer ) to my questions Many of those question, I can get answered here on this list However, I will have to filter a large variety of answers A good franchisor will give you options and a recommendation For me, even with a background in print purchasing and desktop publishing If I had not bought a franchise, I would not have survived. Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." From ray at capitol-copy.com Wed Jul 16 13:05:05 2008 From: ray at capitol-copy.com (Ray Sziber) Date: Wed Jul 16 13:05:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM 6500 physical location question In-Reply-To: <20080716160959.36A1BFE1988@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <001e01c8e766$189e7f20$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> >>>I'm wondering if those of you who have the KM6500 can answer a question for me. The spot I have available for this machine is next to my Graphic Artists in another segment of their room<<< Our designer works 8 feet away from the KM and there is a phone 10 feet away. There is really no noise problem. I would definitely keep the machine out of the pressroom due to dust, fumes and chemicals. We even keep our Ripit Imager divided from the press room. Ray Sziber Capitol Copy Service NAQP NAPL 116 West State Street Trenton NJ 08608 Ph 609-989-8776 Fx609-989-9570 www.Capitol-Copy.com Now Offering Large Format Printing! verkin tala From jacemeister at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 13:08:45 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Wed Jul 16 13:08:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM 6500 physical location question. In-Reply-To: <41aa6a080807160812p2e5466ffqbbe4ae102121982b@mail.gmail.com> References: <41aa6a080807160812p2e5466ffqbbe4ae102121982b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I don't know if this is practical, but if you can put an A/C vent into the confined area, you could install a heavy plastic curtain around the machine or between the machine and the employees. I have one between my press area and mailing/copy area. It helps keep the powder under control, I'm able to keep separate A/C units for better climate control, especially if press area is shut down while copy dept is working or vice-versa, and my customers cannot hear the screaming and cursing when press operators are having a bad day . Seriously, this is the same material used by supermarkets to help control refrigeration, but the sound barrier is a good bonus! -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Dennis Trump wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'm wondering if those of you who have the KM6500 can answer a question for > me. The spot I have available for this machine is next to my Graphic > Artists > in another segment of their room. It is about 20 ft away from them at a > right angle. The question I have is there too much noise to consider this > for an installation our should I be looking at building out a room > specifically for the machine? That would create some challenges for me > to accomplish that. My only other option would be to move it into my plant > area. My plant is pretty neat but certainly not spotless and has 17 ft > ceilings. This would give me plenty of work room but be a distance to the > machine and the potential for dust. What are your thoughts? I'd appreciate > hearing your thoughts on the physical aspects of this unit. > > Thanks, > > -- > Dennis Trump > Trump Direct > a print and direct mail communications company > Decatur IL > www.trumpdirect.com > trump@trumpdirect.com > 217.429.9001 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mike at arborprinting.com Wed Jul 16 13:11:04 2008 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Wed Jul 16 13:11:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Newbie need your wisdom and expertise References: <431044.44159.qm@web63808.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00b301c8e766$ee592840$6b01a8c0@MikeShutaPC> I agree with Jace. Hire one or two good consultants, spend a few grand and be done with it. All a franchise will do is help get you started, which the consultants can do, except you keep paying (and paying and paying) the franchior. Once you know what you are doing, you don't need them. You as an owner will make or brake your business, not the franchisor. There are plenty of franchisees making low incomes, in trouble or going out of business. Being a franchise doesn't guarantee you anything. Take a trip and visit some shops in a different city, learn from this list, ask questions, join the industry groups. We were a franchise when we purchased our business and we didn't renew, and are saving tens of thousands a year. What we do miss is the comradarie (?) of the other owners, but this list is a pretty good substitute. Once you learn the ropes a little bit, (6 months?) you probably will not need the franchisor. But hey, there are people out there who want that security and interaction. Based on my experience, a good deal of the successful franchisees I know wish they could get out of their agreements. You can always go the franchise route, and my comments are not intended to insult franchise owners, there are many wildly successful franchise owners out there, and maybe they couldn't have made it or can't make it without their franchisors. Having been there, I would try the industry rescources first. BTW, we were an Insty-Prints, not exactly a household name in many parts of the country. If you do go the franchise route, don't be ashamed to negociate hard for everything you can. Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. 5100 Academy Dr., Ste 100 Lisle, IL 60532 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jace Prejean" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Newbie need your wisdom and expertise > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I've been scanning lots of emails very quickly so pardon me if I'm > repeating > what someone else said or if my perception of what you're looking for > isn't > 100% on target, but if you really want to "fast track", before you sign on > with a franchise and commit a large percentage of your profits, why not > consider spending a few bucks on one or two of the top industry > consultants? > > You'll still have the option of taking the franchise route, but why not do > a > little more work on your own before diving in? > > I opened Bayou Printing in a 768 sq ft backyard shed in 1983. Other shops > are more efficient and profitable than mine, but my shop's performance > levels have consistently been within the top 25% if not the top 10% for > owners compensation, sales per employee, and most other standards by which > our associations use to gauge success for their membership. I'd be glad to > answer any questions if you want to call. > > Rather than writing a book and repeating what I've been writing for many > years, let me recommend that you call John Stewart (Business Phone > 321-727-2442 or > Cell Phone 321-794-6259) and schedule an on site consultation, if he's > willing. I believe he's semi-retired but you'd be fortunate if you can > talk > him into coming to your shop. You can find a wealth of information on his > web site www.quickconsultant.com and he has authored at least four > industry-related books, including his most recent publication *"Print Shop > For Sale"* * * co-authored with Larry > Hunt (an extremely informed, modest, intelligent source of information in > his own right)! > > I have been very fortunate to spend time with both of these smart men as > well as most of the other popular industry consultants and I will be the > first to testify that following their advice has made a world of > difference > in my business and personal life. > > Along with joining NAQP, buying Printers Plan, reading Quick Printing > Magazine (cover to cover), and a lot of good luck, I can honestly tell you > without a doubt that hiring a good consultant is some of the best money > you > could spend. Are there some bad ones? Hell yes! They'll take your money > and > sleep perfectly well at night! BUT, if you find a good one the benefits > you > will reap will be beyond measurability (I don't think that's a word but it > sounds good to me ). > > Books are a great source of knowledge and I have been an avid reader for > most of my adult life, but if you want to "fast track" and get the biggest > bang for your buck, call John today. > > Just remember - if you aren't open-minded and willing to accept and > implement his advice, you're wasting your time and his. > > Best of luck, > -- > Jace Prejean > Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc > 922 Sunset Ave > Houma, LA 70360 > Phone 985-868-8273 > > www.BayouPrinting.com > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 5:52 AM, Jhet van Ruyven > wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Thank you so very much for your insight Tommy. >> - Ha..ha.. Okey I will start subscribing to porno mags. >> - will check out NAQP/NAPL in the area. My family is booked to go back to >> Philippines for my fathers 80th birthday party in October. >> - I almost bought into MBE- Mailbox ETC. before I started my own and have >> the same principle - now years later, when I know 'been there, done >> that.. >> still no system. Yes you're right I could almost feel the "comfort" of a >> franchise holding my hand and guiding me and future staff, in exchange >> for >> sharing profit with them. I wanted to fast track to cash flow again I'm >> almost leaning towards sharing the profits in exchange for proprietary >> system they spent a lot of dollars on so they can have repeat passive >> income >> (royalties) over and over and over again. >> I'm so lucky that something is left with my company, operating with an on >> and off manual system, and owners neglect. >> Gee I do not even have a solid job description for production person. >> Nor a employee-employer contract in place - >> Any freebes, sample and idea? >> How long have you been in business? Do you have a press? >> Amazing I was on your site the other day, when I was checking out >> Websites >> for Printer. So you took the whole package? >> How long have you been using their website? >> Has it increase your business since? >> I was in New Jersey few weeks ago and a day in NYC - wish I knew you >> then. >> I love to re-train with a printer like you. >> Instead of Franchise I thought if I can team up with other printer not in >> the area who would be willing to take my hand and lead me to the right >> path.... Hmmmm what do you want in exchange - a trip to Canada to train >> us >> and my staff. >> just a thought. >> Peace adn breathe success! >> >> Jhet van Ruyven >> Living in a life of gratitude, abundance and purpose >> Digi-Print Graphics Plus >> Surrey, B.C. Canada >> 1-604-536-9741 >> 1-604-536-9751 >> www.digiprintgraphics.com >> www.thetaleofjuliet.com >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Tommy Melendez >> To: printowners@printweb.org >> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:59:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Newbie need your wisdom and expertise >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Welcome back to the world of printing. Oh though I don't believe in the >> royalty's they do provide a sense of comfort to organize & start your >> engines again. As far as a estimating system, I've been with printer's >> plan it has provided an avenue of control over quoting & billing our >> clients. Like any system there is a learning curve & trust me I'm not >> using it to it's full potential yet! Please continue to request for >> more info & start subscribing to all our porno magazines like Digital >> Graphics, Wide format printing & the best of all Quick Printing. >> There's always a nice fold out from John Stewart's articles that can >> turn you on to many facets of our Great Industry. If you have the time >> NAQP/NAPL are great associations to look into. Which by the way they >> are doing their annual owner's conference in Chicago this coming >> October 23rd - 26th. You can get your rocks off there where they >> provide you with a wealth of information. Right after the conference >> you can journey thru the miles of equipment, software & accessories >> provided at the yearly Graph Expo. >> >> Well good luck & good hunting >> >> Tommy >> >> >> Copy That, Inc. >> "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" >> 3515 E. Tremont Avenue >> Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >> 718.892.1859 >> 718.892.2315 Fax >> www.copythatnyc.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jhet van Ruyven >> To: printowners@printweb.org >> Sent: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 5:41 pm >> Subjec >> t: [PrintOwners] Newbie need your wisdom and expertise >> >> >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Dear Fellows: >> I'm so grateful someone sent me a link to this group. My name is Jhet >> as in >> "jetplane" from British Columbia Canada. Own a small print shop for 14 >> years now >> but an absentee for 3+ years. Let the business run by two managers who >> both left >> to start own print business. >> Am back to square one perhaps two :) I need to rejuvinate the business >> and >> upgrade. Anyone please share me your wisdom about job estimating? We >> are behind >> technology and using no electronic system. >> Any insights on Printsmith, printer'splan or quick smart or anything >> else in the >> market that is most appropriate for a small digi-tal print shop like >> mine? >> Also what is your thoughts on getting into franchise system. I thought >> of this >> as an easy way out of non-system. I do not mind sharing the profit in >> forms of >> royalty if I can adopt and have a system and support in place. >> I sincerely appreciate insights from you guys. >> Jhet van Ruyven >> Living in a life of gratitude, abundance and purpose >> Digi-Print Graphics Plus >> Surrey, B.C. Canada >> 1-604-536-9741 >> 1-604-536-9751 >> www.digiprintgraphics.com >> www.thetaleofjuliet.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From dvmonto at optonline.net Wed Jul 16 13:25:11 2008 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Wed Jul 16 13:25:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM 6500 physical location question. In-Reply-To: <41aa6a080807160812p2e5466ffqbbe4ae102121982b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dennis, I think the noise level will depend on the configuration of your machine. If you are getting the saddle stitcher & trimmer it gets quite loud as it clunks the staples then trims. If you could check one out in a production environment it would probably help more than seeing it at a large showroom floor. -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net -- "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 On 7/16/08 11:12 AM, "Dennis Trump" wrote: > It is about 20 ft away from them at a > right angle. From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Wed Jul 16 14:13:40 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Wed Jul 16 14:15:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel upper to lower case In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks John. All worked well except you cannot delete the original column because the new column needs that info since it is part of a formula. I saved the file as a txt file, reopened it in Excel and then I could delete the original, all caps, column. Thanks again for your help. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 6:02 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Excel upper to lower case ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 7/15/2008 6:53:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark@pipsturgeonbay.com writes: Is there any way to change an excel file that is in all caps to upper & lower case? I have a mail list that is all caps and I want to create a variable data post card and want U&L. Check out the function PROPER in excel. That should work fine.... it takes all caps or all lower and converts to what it terms proper. in a column adjoining the all caps text, type =proper(cell name). Then grab formula and drag it down to copy the formula all the way down... then delete original column... John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Wed Jul 16 14:28:34 2008 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Wed Jul 16 14:27:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel upper to lower case In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00ac01c8e771$c1da2980$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Mark, You can highlight the formula column, copy the column, and then do a "paste special" into a new column. "Paste Special" should be under the edit command. When you use the "paste special" you have several options for pasting, choose the option for "paste values" it will put the value of the copied cell(s) rather than the formula, into the new column, then you can delete the formula column. Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lake Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:14 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Excel upper to lower case ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thanks John. All worked well except you cannot delete the original column because the new column needs that info since it is part of a formula. I saved the file as a txt file, reopened it in Excel and then I could delete the original, all caps, column. Thanks again for your help. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 6:02 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Excel upper to lower case ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 7/15/2008 6:53:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark@pipsturgeonbay.com writes: Is there any way to change an excel file that is in all caps to upper & lower case? I have a mail list that is all caps and I want to create a variable data post card and want U&L. Check out the function PROPER in excel. That should work fine.... it takes all caps or all lower and converts to what it terms proper. in a column adjoining the all caps text, type =proper(cell name). Then grab formula and drag it down to copy the formula all the way down... then delete original column... John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Jul 16 14:27:26 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 16 14:27:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel upper to lower case Message-ID: In a message dated 7/16/2008 2:16:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark@pipsturgeonbay.com writes: I saved the file as a txt file, reopened it in Excel and then I could delete the original, all caps, column. Thanks again for your help. Mark, You are right and your solution might be the best, but this is what I just did. After converting the column to proper upper and lower case, I highlighted the new column, then used the Paste Special function to copy "values and formats" to another column. After copying, I deleted first column, the second column disappeared as you noted, but the third and final column remained. Not very elegant but considering the tremendous power of Excel it is still amazing that programmers can come up with this stuff. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Wed Jul 16 15:12:46 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (Larry Taylor) Date: Wed Jul 16 15:12:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Newbie consulting Message-ID: >>>>>>>>I opened Bayou Printing in a 768 sq ft backyard shed in 1983. Other >>>>>>>>shops are more efficient and profitable than mine, but my shop's performance levels have consistently been within the top 25% if not the top 10% for owners compensation, sales per employee, and most other standards by which our associations use to gauge success for their membership. I'd be glad to answer any questions if you want to call. I have been very fortunate to spend time with both of these smart men as well as most of the other popular industry consultants and I will be the first to testify that following their advice has made a world of difference in my business and personal life.<<<<<<<<< +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I suggest the same thing. But....it's a fact that the vast majority of people who hire a consultant don't do the things they were told to do. In any industry, not just printing. Accountability is important, as is the desire to become a student for life. Those are the most important ingredients if you hire a consultant.....in 3rd place is what they consultant tells you. No consultant can help a person change their business unless the owner changes their mind. Easier said than done. Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 85711 www.theshackbook.com From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Wed Jul 16 15:19:32 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (Larry Taylor) Date: Wed Jul 16 15:19:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 35, Issue 35 In-Reply-To: <20080716182736.25062FE22E9@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: > >In a message dated 7/15/2008 6:53:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >mark@pipsturgeonbay.com writes: > >Is there any way to change an excel file that is in all caps to upper & >lower case? I have a mail list that is all caps and I want to create a >variable data post card and want U&L. > > >Check out the function PROPER in excel. That should work fine.... it takes >all caps or all lower and converts to what it terms proper. in a column >adjoining the all caps text, type =proper(cell name). Then grab formula and >drag it down to copy the formula all the way down... then delete original >column... > > >John Stewart >The Quick Consultant >_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) >321-727-2442 >FAX 321-727-2166 >Cell: 321-794-6259 >2110 S. Dairy Road >West Melbourne, FL 32904 OR DO THIS: To change the case of text for a range of cells, you can use these functions in an array formula (array formula: A formula that performs multiple calculations on one or more sets of values, and then returns either a single result or multiple results. Array formulas are enclosed between braces { } and are entered by pressing CTRL+SHIFT+ENTER.). Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 85711 www.theshackbook.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 15:24:12 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jul 16 15:24:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Newbie consulting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0807161224n7de9b51fuc0f73ce1c9cdf5ce@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Larry Taylor wrote: > > Easier said than done. Which is why consulting is such great work if you can get it! > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon From sundance_print at yahoo.com Wed Jul 16 15:41:46 2008 From: sundance_print at yahoo.com (Wes Cornwell) Date: Wed Jul 16 15:42:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing service question Message-ID: <700428.76744.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> According to the USPS quick service guide 301a you do not need to tab flats to get automation rates. If anyone is interested, I have a contact who has a fee-based service that can answer questions of this nature. Email George at help@postal911.com or call toll free 877-777-8755. He will figure out the problem and call the post office for you to advocate your position. He has helped me several times and it is well worth the money since the alternative is to pay higher postage or read the postal regulations. The other thing you can do is ask the postal employee to cite chapter and verse of the regulations if you think they are wrong. If they are right, they should be able to show you in the regulations. Wes Cornwell Sundance Printing 10240 Progress lane Parker, CO 80134 303-841-3094 ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael Vogel To: "printowners@printweb.org" Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:03:18 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing service question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Item: saddle stitched 8.5x11 newsletter To be mailed Presorted Std If it is mailed as a flat (i.e.not folded down to 5.5x8.5) with the address panel on the back -- must the open side be tabbed? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 15:44:18 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jul 16 15:44:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Apologies, but could I get a price check? Message-ID: <98f5b19a0807161244x4a5ef97bp2b30c112cb24684@mail.gmail.com> Looking for the "going" price range for a process color letterhead, no bleeds, printed offset. Stock is 24# Environment @ $315.45/m 35x23 sheets. Quantity: 1000, 2500 TIA. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 15:56:14 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jul 16 15:56:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Equipment value estimate? Message-ID: <98f5b19a0807161256h7ab9bdbv6c780c2a4cba9daf@mail.gmail.com> An equipment broker/exporter is interested in an old AB Dick 9810 w/T-head and Kompac, and a 10-bin friction-fed Standard Horizon collator (with very low mileage) that I have available. Broker would pick up and pay cash. I have no idea how much to ask for this equipment. Can anyone suggest a range? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From ron at printingconcepts.com Wed Jul 16 16:16:53 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Wed Jul 16 16:17:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] NEWBIE CONSULTING Message-ID: In years past when the print franchisors used to tout their high success rate VS guys starting their shops on their own I became convinced one of the reasons was the amount of capital the franchisee had to come up with, which was substantial. I have a friend in another state who went the franchise route. He plowed his entire life savings of several hundred thousand into the business. Things didn't go very well in the beginning and the guy worked his butt off in the first several years. He had no choice, his entire life's work previous to that would go down the drain. So with more on the line, I think the franchisees can't give up so easily. I never thought the franchise returned to him the amount of money he sent to them. Printing franchises don't give to their buyers what fast food franchises capitalize on: name recognition which translates into additional business. I have a hard time imagining a significant print buyer saying I used the PIP in city A and liked it therefore I'll use the PIP in city B. I also felt some of the "advice" he got about what to buy, etc. was tainted with perks to the franchisor. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons" "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, and of the merchants a merchant." RALPH WALDO EMERSON Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From jacemeister at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 16:17:29 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Wed Jul 16 16:17:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Apologies, but could I get a price check? In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0807161244x4a5ef97bp2b30c112cb24684@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0807161244x4a5ef97bp2b30c112cb24684@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 1000 = 539.93 2500 = 696.56 Run 2-up using metal dtp Jace On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Looking for the "going" price range for a process color letterhead, > no bleeds, printed offset. > Stock is 24# Environment @ $315.45/m 35x23 sheets. > Quantity: 1000, 2500 > > TIA. > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com From jeff at hprinting.biz Wed Jul 16 16:17:49 2008 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Wed Jul 16 16:18:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Software-Bulk Mailer 5 or AccuZip Message-ID: <20080716201749.26898.3332@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Our subscription for Mailers+4 is coming up so we are evaluating Bulk Mailer 5 and Accuzip against what we have. We've been with Mailers+4 for 9 years I think. I've had online demos of both and they both seem better than Mailers+4 though Mailers claims to be working on improving their software. After the demo yesterday with AccuZip I remember why I didn't consider them 3 years ago ? they charged for $295 for demo software. Bulk Mailer sent me a demo a month ago which I haven't loaded. They are going to send me the next one when it comes out later this month. It makes it hard to give AccuZip a fair trial when they won't send a demo disk. So I'm trying to decide if I should just write them off or spend the money (which goes against my grain) for a demo (they will credit it against the software if I purchase theirs). Does anyone have experience with both that can recommend one over the other? Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From falconprinting at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 16:30:43 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Wed Jul 16 16:30:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] NEWBIE CONSULTING In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Further most of the new clients I get I do so because they're unhappy with their current printers. I agree fully with what Ron said, but just want to add there if there is any name recognition, it has a negative connotation with it. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Ron Taggart > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:16:53 -0400 > To: printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] NEWBIE CONSULTING > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > In years past when the print franchisors used to tout their high success > rate VS guys starting their shops on their own I became convinced one of the > reasons was the amount of capital the franchisee had to come up with, which > was substantial. I have a friend in another state who went the franchise > route. He plowed his entire life savings of several hundred thousand into > the business. Things didn't go very well in the beginning and the guy > worked his butt off in the first several years. He had no choice, his > entire life's work previous to that would go down the drain. So with more > on the line, I think the franchisees can't give up so easily. I never > thought the franchise returned to him the amount of money he sent to them. > > Printing franchises don't give to their buyers what fast food franchises > capitalize on: name recognition which translates into additional business. > I have a hard time imagining a significant print buyer saying I used the PIP > in city A and liked it therefore I'll use the PIP in city B. > > I also felt some of the "advice" he got about what to buy, etc. was tainted > with perks to the franchisor. > > > > Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below > should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a > statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general > edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. > > "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, > adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." > > ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons" > > "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, > and of the merchants a merchant." > > RALPH WALDO EMERSON > > > > > Ron Taggart, President > PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. > 4246 Hudson Drive > Stow, Ohio 44224 > 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 > www.printingconcepts.com > ron@printingconcepts.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From dominick at fmtc.com Wed Jul 16 16:51:59 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Wed Jul 16 16:52:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Small Shop Message-ID: <487E5F6F.8060204@fmtc.com> A Printowner wrote this: ...... I opened Bayou Printing in a 768 sq ft backyard shed in 1983. Other shops .... Now I should remember who owns Bayou Printing, (is it Jace?) but this is GREAT NEWS! I opened my shop in 1983 in a old house with 700 usable sq ft! Entire house was supposedly 800 sq ft, but I will never know, as it was sooooo small! Today I am at 4000 sq ft, and was out of space till we got rid of our H-berg MO. Now we have a little breathing room. Yea! I feel better now, somebody else started just as small... Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Wed Jul 16 17:00:36 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Wed Jul 16 17:00:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] NEWBIE CONSULTING In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00c601c8e786$ffaad9c0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> I question that they are more successful. It really depends on how you count. If you count the number of centers that don't go under, they do have a higher success rate. However, if you count the number of franchisees that don't succeed you get a much different number. Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:17 PM To: printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] NEWBIE CONSULTING ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In years past when the print franchisors used to tout their high success rate VS guys starting their shops on their own I became convinced one of the reasons was the amount of capital the franchisee had to come up with, which was substantial. I have a friend in another state who went the franchise route. He plowed his entire life savings of several hundred thousand into the business. Things didn't go very well in the beginning and the guy worked his butt off in the first several years. He had no choice, his entire life's work previous to that would go down the drain. So with more on the line, I think the franchisees can't give up so easily. I never thought the franchise returned to him the amount of money he sent to them. Printing franchises don't give to their buyers what fast food franchises capitalize on: name recognition which translates into additional business. I have a hard time imagining a significant print buyer saying I used the PIP in city A and liked it therefore I'll use the PIP in city B. I also felt some of the "advice" he got about what to buy, etc. was tainted with perks to the franchisor. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons" "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, and of the merchants a merchant." RALPH WALDO EMERSON Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From steve at digitalprintink.net Wed Jul 16 17:13:38 2008 From: steve at digitalprintink.net (Steve Counts) Date: Wed Jul 16 17:16:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing on News Print Message-ID: <20080716211623.774FDFE2A8B@rb.enter.net> Anyone know anything about this? A local ad agency has a client who wants to use it. Steve Counts President Digital Print Ink Springfield, MO 417 881 5309 417 459 5953 From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed Jul 16 17:25:56 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed Jul 16 17:27:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Antitrust Check Message-ID: <8CAB5A1AAE3F286-FF0-2B83@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Here I am using USALeads for over three years + at $150 per month & BANG I found out that they were screwing me. Noticed a drop off on printing orders coming from my regular accounts. Made calls & visited some of these clients. These guys (LeadsUSA) figured out, who my clients were simply by attaching dummy locations with the mailing list I was downloading. Still haven't heard from the others yet, but one of my favorite accounts I spoke to, told me that she has been solicited by a company that sells mailing list & that she can save money purchasing the list directly from them & to add insult to injury, that they can also print the information for far less then whom she was using before. Both of my clients had similar communications with a solicitor. Where has the trust in anyone has gone! It's getting to the point that you can't turn your back on anybody! Tommy Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Wed Jul 16 17:29:27 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Wed Jul 16 17:30:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] NEWBIE CONSULTING In-Reply-To: <00c601c8e786$ffaad9c0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> References: <00c601c8e786$ffaad9c0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: As a franchisee, I can suggest that a franchisor is not going to make you great, or make you fail, just by joining or not joining. It is up to your abilities as a business person that makes the difference. Can a franchisee help you? Absolutely. Is it expensive? Absolutely. There are a number of places to go and get some of the things a franchisor can offer: NAQP gets about the same hardware deals we get as a PIP, we get some deals others may not get (on the surface) but I believe most vendors would give everyone the same deal if you know what that may be and if you ask for it. The copier deals I've seen offered to us are better than what I've heard of others getting on their own. The consultants are, in my opinion, better than most field support reps. Are you a marketing person? If not, you'll need help from someone be it a franchisor or a Mike Stevens or someone else. Will they make recommendations on what vendors to use and which vendors supply what you want? Yes, but sometimes the recommendation is self serving in that they recommend vendors they have a relationship with in order to keep them as prefered vendors. I renewed because I didn't have the time to research copiers, carton companies, marketing, sales training, new products and services, etc and that was worth something to me. I don't know if all franchisors have changed like PIP has, but in 1991 when I purchased they were more operations (how to run a press, fix a folder, etc) focused and now it is more administration (marketing, sales, new products, etc) focused. There are a number of franchisees, former franchisees and never been franchisees on this list and you are getting a lot of info. It is your decision and you have to decide what areas you need help with (versus your strong areas) and who will assist you to become successful, or more successful, as the case may be. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gordon Watt Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:01 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] NEWBIE CONSULTING ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I question that they are more successful. It really depends on how you count. If you count the number of centers that don't go under, they do have a higher success rate. However, if you count the number of franchisees that don't succeed you get a much different number. Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:17 PM To: printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] NEWBIE CONSULTING ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In years past when the print franchisors used to tout their high success rate VS guys starting their shops on their own I became convinced one of the reasons was the amount of capital the franchisee had to come up with, which was substantial. I have a friend in another state who went the franchise route. He plowed his entire life savings of several hundred thousand into the business. Things didn't go very well in the beginning and the guy worked his butt off in the first several years. He had no choice, his entire life's work previous to that would go down the drain. So with more on the line, I think the franchisees can't give up so easily. I never thought the franchise returned to him the amount of money he sent to them. Printing franchises don't give to their buyers what fast food franchises capitalize on: name recognition which translates into additional business. I have a hard time imagining a significant print buyer saying I used the PIP in city A and liked it therefore I'll use the PIP in city B. I also felt some of the "advice" he got about what to buy, etc. was tainted with perks to the franchisor. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons" "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, and of the merchants a merchant." RALPH WALDO EMERSON Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From danf at mmsny.com Wed Jul 16 17:42:25 2008 From: danf at mmsny.com (Daniel Flatt) Date: Wed Jul 16 17:44:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Apologies, but could I get a price check? In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0807161244x4a5ef97bp2b30c112cb24684@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0807161244x4a5ef97bp2b30c112cb24684@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7AA4E499F75C454D864713FEF2958D33184D55@BE09.exg4.exghost.com> 1,000 $538 2,500 $810 DI run two up on 11.5x 17.5 stock and trimmed to size (need the oversize stock for the color bars) Dan Flatt owner Multi Media Services 11136-40 River Road Corning, NY 14830 main 607-936-3186 CELL 607-331-7217 PLEASE CALL MY CELL FIRST! Fax 877-684-3043 www.mmsny.com Isn't it time that you had a business printer printing for your business? Other contacts: Rick Bartholomew president -Manufacturing 607-769-8111 Belinda Wilcox vp-Finance & CSR's 607-936-3186 Rose Flatt VP - Creative 607-331-1555 Dick Shelford Sunset Operations 607-331-5775 Patty Carlson Strategic accounts 607-331-5314 Jenna Nailer IR operations liaison 607-331-5314 Dave Satterly IR operations 570-882-0485 Ralph Begeal CSR 607-331-5572 Steve Mullen CSR / paper 607-936-3186 Margaret Puffer Major accounts / mailing 607-936-318 Emily Colletta creative 607-331-7068 Judy Pruyne creative 607-331-5963 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 3:44 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Apologies, but could I get a price check? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Looking for the "going" price range for a process color letterhead, no bleeds, printed offset. Stock is 24# Environment @ $315.45/m 35x23 sheets. Quantity: 1000, 2500 TIA. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From danf at mmsny.com Wed Jul 16 17:46:47 2008 From: danf at mmsny.com (Daniel Flatt) Date: Wed Jul 16 17:48:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Software-Bulk Mailer 5 or AccuZip In-Reply-To: <20080716201749.26898.3332@hm-pop1.solinus.com> References: <20080716201749.26898.3332@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: <7AA4E499F75C454D864713FEF2958D33184D56@BE09.exg4.exghost.com> Jeff, We use Bulk mailer and really like it. However their pricing is expensive. They will negotiate. Make sure that you look at all of the modules and get them to throw in any that you feel you could use. It seems to me that I remember that they really get hungry towards the end of each month. Dan Flatt owner Multi Media Services 11136-40 River Road Corning, NY 14830 main 607-936-3186 CELL 607-331-7217 PLEASE CALL MY CELL FIRST! Fax 877-684-3043 www.mmsny.com Isn't it time that you had a business printer printing for your business? Other contacts: Rick Bartholomew president -Manufacturing 607-769-8111 Belinda Wilcox vp-Finance & CSR's 607-936-3186 Rose Flatt VP - Creative 607-331-1555 Dick Shelford Sunset Operations 607-331-5775 Patty Carlson Strategic accounts 607-331-5314 Jenna Nailer IR operations liaison 607-331-5314 Dave Satterly IR operations 570-882-0485 Ralph Begeal CSR 607-331-5572 Steve Mullen CSR / paper 607-936-3186 Margaret Puffer Major accounts / mailing 607-936-318 Emily Colletta creative 607-331-7068 Judy Pruyne creative 607-331-5963 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Haines Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:18 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Software-Bulk Mailer 5 or AccuZip ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Our subscription for Mailers+4 is coming up so we are evaluating Bulk Mailer 5 and Accuzip against what we have. We've been with Mailers+4 for 9 years I think. I've had online demos of both and they both seem better than Mailers+4 though Mailers claims to be working on improving their software. After the demo yesterday with AccuZip I remember why I didn't consider them 3 years ago - they charged for $295 for demo software. Bulk Mailer sent me a demo a month ago which I haven't loaded. They are going to send me the next one when it comes out later this month. It makes it hard to give AccuZip a fair trial when they won't send a demo disk. So I'm trying to decide if I should just write them off or spend the money (which goes against my grain) for a demo (they will credit it against the software if I purchase theirs). Does anyone have experience with both that can recommend one over the other? Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 * Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz * www.hprinting.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Jul 16 17:57:39 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Jul 16 17:57:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Small Shop Message-ID: <0BA4F6B8-A9B9-4DA5-A26F-0FA9C40C9EA0@protypeonline.com> Afraid you guys (Jace and Joe) are going to lose this contest! Started out in 1980-ish in the basement of an incredibly old farmhouse with $4500 worth of equipment that was purchased from a guy in Paxton that had it in his basement and was doing printing for his church/ missionaries. Two multi-1250's, 100% manual challenge cutter, bricks and chains for padding, nuarc flip top plate burner/carbon arc rods, kenro vertical camera with manual/tray developing. No jogger, no shrink wrap and no typesetting. After one year invested $5000 in an Editwriter 7500! I made a sale for $250 one week and thought I was on top of the world and planned on being rich if I could do that every week! Today -- a little different but not that much more space -- until August 1 when I take possession of building next door to me in Paxton. I remember when I got an "itek-like" silvermaster platemaker -- didn't have any room at all for it so it went in my laundry room in the basement! After getting all that heavy equipment moved in using a very narrow wood slat staircase I can still hear Jim (husband) saying, "i'm never moving this equipment again". NEVER SAY NEVER!!! Two moves later he is telling me I can now afford to hire professionals! :)))))) robin Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 Wright Printing Company 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From rstor at copycats.com Wed Jul 16 18:10:18 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Wed Jul 16 18:11:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Small Shop In-Reply-To: <0BA4F6B8-A9B9-4DA5-A26F-0FA9C40C9EA0@protypeonline.com> References: <0BA4F6B8-A9B9-4DA5-A26F-0FA9C40C9EA0@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <487E71CA.10309@copycats.com> 1984 - about 600 square feet as a retail copy shop on Manhattan's Upper East Side. I was paying about $75,000 in rent/year. I had a Xerox 9210, Kodak 100, a self-service copier (Oce? or maybe that was later), a Velo binder, GBC binder, and an 18" Triumph cutter. I opened next door to an established print shop about 3x larger, with a couple of presses including an automated one hooked up to a monstrosity of an in-line sorter. The owner was pissed, even though I told him that we were not competing - he was printing, I was copying. He cut his prices by about 30% within a month of my opening. He was out of business before my first anniversary. Life was simpler then. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Afraid you guys (Jace and Joe) are going to lose this contest! Started > out in 1980-ish in the basement of an incredibly old farmhouse with > $4500 worth of equipment that was purchased from a guy in Paxton that > had it in his basement and was doing printing for his > church/missionaries. Two multi-1250's, 100% manual challenge cutter, > bricks and chains for padding, nuarc flip top plate burner/carbon arc > rods, kenro vertical camera with manual/tray developing. No jogger, no > shrink wrap and no typesetting. After one year invested $5000 in an > Editwriter 7500! I made a sale for $250 one week and thought I was on > top of the world and planned on being rich if I could do that every week! > Today -- a little different but not that much more space -- until > August 1 when I take possession of building next door to me in Paxton. > I remember when I got an "itek-like" silvermaster platemaker -- didn't > have any room at all for it so it went in my laundry room in the > basement! After getting all that heavy equipment moved in using a very > narrow wood slat staircase I can still hear Jim (husband) saying, "i'm > never moving this equipment again". NEVER SAY NEVER!!! > Two moves later he is telling me I can now afford to hire professionals! > :)))))) > robin > > > Robin Niewold > robin@protypeonline.com > > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > > Wright Printing Company > 203 North Street > Normal, IL 61761 > 309.452.4409 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Wed Jul 16 18:14:34 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Wed Jul 16 18:13:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Small Shop In-Reply-To: <0BA4F6B8-A9B9-4DA5-A26F-0FA9C40C9EA0@protypeonline.com> References: <0BA4F6B8-A9B9-4DA5-A26F-0FA9C40C9EA0@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <487E72CA.7020108@satx.rr.com> Pikers all. I started in a one car garage with a Davidson I paid 500.00, NuArc camera, a little drawer type platemaker. I put ruby-lith over the windows (4-5 layers if memory serves and set a place in the corner for trays. No folder, no cutter just a press camera and platemaker. I had a make-shift light table and a t-square to strip with. Far from what I have now. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Afraid you guys (Jace and Joe) are going to lose this contest! Started > out in 1980-ish in the basement of an incredibly old farmhouse with > $4500 worth of equipment that was purchased from a guy in Paxton that > had it in his basement and was doing printing for his > church/missionaries. Two multi-1250's, 100% manual challenge cutter, > bricks and chains for padding, nuarc flip top plate burner/carbon arc > rods, kenro vertical camera with manual/tray developing. No jogger, no > shrink wrap and no typesetting. After one year invested $5000 in an > Editwriter 7500! I made a sale for $250 one week and thought I was on > top of the world and planned on being rich if I could do that every week! > Today -- a little different but not that much more space -- until > August 1 when I take possession of building next door to me in Paxton. > I remember when I got an "itek-like" silvermaster platemaker -- didn't > have any room at all for it so it went in my laundry room in the > basement! After getting all that heavy equipment moved in using a very > narrow wood slat staircase I can still hear Jim (husband) saying, "i'm > never moving this equipment again". NEVER SAY NEVER!!! > Two moves later he is telling me I can now afford to hire professionals! > :)))))) > robin > > > Robin Niewold > robin@protypeonline.com > > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > > Wright Printing Company > 203 North Street > Normal, IL 61761 > 309.452.4409 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From bill at magnoliaprinting.com Wed Jul 16 18:44:52 2008 From: bill at magnoliaprinting.com (Bill Holden) Date: Wed Jul 16 18:44:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Apologies, but could I get a price check? In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0807161244x4a5ef97bp2b30c112cb24684@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0807161244x4a5ef97bp2b30c112cb24684@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <487E79E4.6080904@magnoliaprinting.com> 1000 $542 2500 671 4up with metal ctp Bill Holden Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Looking for the "going" price range for a process color letterhead, > no bleeds, printed offset. > Stock is 24# Environment @ $315.45/m 35x23 sheets. > Quantity: 1000, 2500 > > TIA. > > -- Bill Holden Magnolia Printing 1829 25th Ave Gulfport, MS 39501 228-864-4401 bill@magnoliaprinting.com www.magnoliaprinting.com From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed Jul 16 18:54:19 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed Jul 16 18:54:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Small Shop In-Reply-To: <487E71CA.10309@copycats.com> References: <0BA4F6B8-A9B9-4DA5-A26F-0FA9C40C9EA0@protypeonline.com> <487E71CA.10309@copycats.com> Message-ID: <8CAB5AE04352DFD-FF0-332D@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Wow Bob your brought back some memories there. 9210 & 100 were at the time the machines to have. The 100's were great for litigation work & 9200's having a 50 bin sorter at the time was a plus. I still remember the shiny look to the 9200 toner. Then came the beast the 9500 & up went quality prints. Thanks for the memories : ) Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stor To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 6:10 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Small Shop ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? 1984 - about 600 square feet as a retail copy shop on Manhattan's Upper East Side. I was paying about $75,000 in rent/year. I had a Xerox 9210, Kodak 100, a self-service copier (Oce? or maybe that was later), a Velo binder, GBC binder, and an 18" Triumph cutter. I opened next door to an established print shop about 3x larger, with a couple of presses including an automated one hooked up to a monstrosity of an in-line sorter.? ? The owner was pissed, even though I told him that we were not competing - he was printing, I was copying. He cut his prices by about 30% within a month of my opening. He was out of busi ness before my first anniversary.? ? Life was simpler then.? ? Regards,? Bob Stor? Copycats? New York, NY? 212-557-2111 x20? www.copycats.com? ? Robin Niewold wrote:? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > Afraid you guys (Jace and Joe) are going to lose this contest! Started > out in 1980-ish in the basement of an incredibly old farmhouse with > $4500 worth of equipment that was purchased from a guy in Paxton that > had it in his basement and was doing printing for his > church/missionaries. Two multi-1250's, 100% manual challenge cutter, > bricks and chains for padding, nuarc flip top plate burner/carbon arc > rods, kenro vertical camera with manual/tray developing. No jogger, no > shrink wrap and no typesetting. After one year invested $5000 in an > Editwriter 7500! I made a sale for $250 one week and thought I was on > top of the world and planned on being rich if I could do that every week!? > Today -- a little different but not that much more space -- until > August 1 when I take possession of building next door to me in Paxton.? > I remember when I got an "itek-like" silvermaster platemaker -- didn't > have any room at all for it so it went in my laundry room in the > basement! After getting all that heavy equipment moved in using a very > narrow wood slat staircase I can still hear Jim (husband) saying, "i'm > never moving this equipment again". NEVER SAY NEVER!!!? > Two moves later he is telling me I can now afford to hire professionals!? > :))))))? > robin? >? >? > Robin Niewold? > robin@protypeonline.com? >? > Pro-Type Printing, Inc.? > 130 N. Market Street? > Paxton, IL 60957? > 217.379.4715? >? > Wright Printing Company? > 203 North Street? > Normal, IL 61761? > 309.452.4409? >? >? >? >? >? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? >? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From Nancy at printingresources.com Wed Jul 16 19:16:22 2008 From: Nancy at printingresources.com (Nancy Dediemar) Date: Wed Jul 16 19:16:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing service question: untabbed flat vs. tabbed letter In-Reply-To: <700428.76744.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <700428.76744.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Michael, As has been pointed out, flats do not have to be tabbed to qualify for automation-based postage rates. However, the postage differential between letters and flats is substantial -- the range is from 11.5 cents more for a 5-digit sortation to 23.3 cents more for a Mixed AADC sortation. Before shape-based rates started in 2007, it usually was more cost-effective to mail as a flat rather than fold down & tab to mail as a letter, especially in small quantities. But now with the postage for flat mail so much more than letter mail, you often have to look at the entire cost (services + postage) to decide. Of course if the newsletter has too many pages to neatly fold down to 8.5 x 11, then the analysis is moot. Nancy DeDiemar Printing Resources of Southern California 893 W 9th St, Upland, CA 91786 909/981-5715 phone 909/981-9396 FAX http://www.printingresources.com mailto:nancy@printingresources.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael Vogel To: "printowners@printweb.org" Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:03:18 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing service question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Item: saddle stitched 8.5x11 newsletter To be mailed Presorted Std If it is mailed as a flat (i.e.not folded down to 5.5x8.5) with the address panel on the back -- must the open side be tabbed? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From eugene at zapcolor.com Wed Jul 16 19:32:01 2008 From: eugene at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Wed Jul 16 19:32:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Guys & Small Shops In-Reply-To: <20080716225443.9BFC6FE2E7E@rb.enter.net> References: <20080716225443.9BFC6FE2E7E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: OK- you usually don't hear guys talking about how small something is/ was :) I know others started in the garage, as did I, goto: http://zapcolor.com/history.html B&W photo on RHS was when I got Hi-Tech with a multi, I started with hand pulled silk screen when that was too slow, got a Golding hand fed letterpress, circa 1883 or so. I will try and post the photo of the Golding we just restored and had an artist from Troy Lee Designs pinstripe and paint. Remember a strip printer & Scamp platemaker? Had the "camera" in the bathroom of the house. No vacuum back, it used a sticky liquid to hold the film and the timer was how ling you left the lights plugged into the wall! No we have the 7000 sqft building and all the payments to go with it! On Jul 16, 2008, at 3:54 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <487E72CA.7020108@satx.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Pikers all. I started in a one car garage with a Davidson I paid > 500.00, > NuArc camera, a little drawer type platemaker. I put ruby-lith over > the > windows (4-5 layers if memory serves and set a place in the corner for > trays. No folder, no cutter just a press camera and platemaker. I > had a > make-shift light table and a t-square to strip with. Far from what I > have now. > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > Ewing and Sons Printing > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > San Antonio, TX 78233 > dennisewing@satx.rr.com > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com > 210/650-5311 > 210/650-9916 Fax > > > > Robin Niewold wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Afraid you guys (Jace and Joe) are going to lose this contest! >> Started >> out in 1980-ish in the basement of an incredibly old farmhouse with >> $4500 worth of equipment that was purchased from a guy in Paxton that >> had it in his basement and was doing printing for his >> church/missionaries. Two multi-1250's, 100% manual challenge cutter, >> bricks and chains for padding, nuarc flip top plate burner/carbon arc >> rods, kenro vertical camera with manual/tray developing. No jogger, >> no Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From Nancy at printingresources.com Wed Jul 16 19:37:16 2008 From: Nancy at printingresources.com (Nancy Dediemar) Date: Wed Jul 16 19:37:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Software-Bulk Mailer 5 or AccuZip In-Reply-To: <20080716201749.26898.3332@hm-pop1.solinus.com> References: <20080716201749.26898.3332@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: Jeff, With all the upcoming changes in postal regulations (such as Move Update in November 2008 and Intelligent Mail Barcode in 2009), reliable software is a must to compete. Almost everything required for compliance will be much easier with a good mail list management software provider as your partner. You didn't mention how much addressing you do and what other things the software must do besides postal coding (such as merging files and purging duplicates, duplicate detection) nor the size of the mail list files you routinely process. If you are routinely handling under 100,000 pieces of mail a month (and expect slower rather than faster growth in your mailing department), then you likely have a different set of requirements than if you are handling more than 100,000 pieces per month. Beware of software that seems to be buggy or not running as well as others. Increasingly it will require significant resources from the software vendors to respond to new USPS initiatives. In the past the USPS gave software vendors 90 days or longer to update, but that doesn't necessarily hold today. What that means for you is that if your software vendor doesn't have sufficient resources to respond in a shortened timeframe, then that vendor's software releases will be less reliable and will cause you operating problems. As annoying as it is to pay $300 for a demo version, you really should add AccuZIP to the other programs you are considering, as it gets high marks from many users, including commercial mailers who handle much more volume than those of us who have mailing departments within our print shops. Nancy DeDiemar Printing Resources of Southern California 893 W 9th St, Upland, CA 91786 909/981-5715 phone 909/981-9396 FAX http://www.printingresources.com mailto:nancy@printingresources.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Haines Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:18 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Software-Bulk Mailer 5 or AccuZip ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Our subscription for Mailers+4 is coming up so we are evaluating Bulk Mailer 5 and Accuzip against what we have. We've been with Mailers+4 for 9 years I think. I've had online demos of both and they both seem better than Mailers+4 though Mailers claims to be working on improving their software. After the demo yesterday with AccuZip I remember why I didn't consider them 3 years ago - they charged for $295 for demo software. Bulk Mailer sent me a demo a month ago which I haven't loaded. They are going to send me the next one when it comes out later this month. It makes it hard to give AccuZip a fair trial when they won't send a demo disk. So I'm trying to decide if I should just write them off or spend the money (which goes against my grain) for a demo (they will credit it against the software if I purchase theirs). Does anyone have experience with both that can recommend one over the other? Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 * Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz * www.hprinting.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Jul 16 19:45:34 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Jul 16 19:45:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Small Shop Message-ID: <6AD2B8B2-A68C-4CD0-B550-7585FDAF68F9@protypeonline.com> Dennis -- I should have known better than to compete with the "big dogs"! :)))) And I thought Mizzou was the "show me" state! But, sure good to remember the old (and simpler?) days. :))) robin Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 Wright Printing Company 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Wed Jul 16 21:44:19 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Wed Jul 16 21:44:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Antitrust Check In-Reply-To: <8CAB5A1AAE3F286-FF0-2B83@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAB5A1AAE3F286-FF0-2B83@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <004c01c8e7ae$a1187700$6501a8c0@coranew> Tommy, first of all I am sorry for your experience and YES, it is a bad deal!!!!! I don't think too many on this list are using them for just that reason. There has been talk about this company before, but it might be before you joined the list. There are several other companies and vendors that have been mentioned as untrustworthy. Someone mentioned a while back about making a list of companies that go after your customers and also a list of companies not to use, but don't think it was ever done. Probably because of potential lawsuits, but it is a good idea. Maybe before you start dealing with someone in the future, you could ask the list how their dealings with this company have been. JAT Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 854-0321 Fax (Call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From Printernot at aol.com Wed Jul 16 22:17:04 2008 From: Printernot at aol.com (Printernot@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 16 22:17:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Newbie need your wisdom and expertise Message-ID: In a message dated 7/15/2008 3:43:49 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, jvanruyven@yahoo.com writes: Also what is your thoughts on getting into franchise system. I thought of this as an easy way out of non-system. I do not mind sharing the profit in forms of royalty if I can adopt and have a system and support in place. You might seriously want to rethink that. Getting into a franchise likely will not give you a systemized way to do business. There are a number of franchisees who appear to be greatly disorganized. There are certainly many who are very organized and highly successful, who may very well have developed their own systems. The royalties you do not mind sharing could be substantial over a period of years. Depending on the length of the franchise agreement, the percentage, and your sales volume, you could easily end up paying them $500,000 to well over $1 million. That's money that could have possibly stayed in your pocket. Whereas hiring a consultant could cost a fair amount now and if you follow the recommendations you may be able to get exactly what you seek and then be putting that royalty money in your pocket for many years. Having been in a franchise system I can say that many of the more successful owners may well have been just as successful had they done it on their own. Many of the former franchisees have continued their success after having left their systems when franchise agreements expired. Unlike many of the food franchisers, the printing franchisers do very little to help increase your sales through things like advertising and name recognition. They may have marketing programs, but since not every franchisee participates, it can often be confusing if you are in an area with multiple other locations of the same franchise. That's my take. Others may differ. Don Byers Colorado Springs, CO **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From jvanruyven at yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 02:46:40 2008 From: jvanruyven at yahoo.com (Jhet van Ruyven) Date: Thu Jul 17 02:46:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Newbie - What a beautiful world with print ownersaround Message-ID: <656456.32826.qm@web63806.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Dear Loren: Thank you very much for your wisdom. Would you have time to chat tomorrow morning- (Thursday July 17)? Like to pick your brain on Allegra Franchising. Warm regards, Jhet - Canada ----- Original Message ---- From: Loren Maurina To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:04:30 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Newbie - What a beautiful world with print ownersaround ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Jul 16, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Gordon Watt wrote: > Bad move in my opinion. Been there. Paid a lot to get out. You will? > have a > partnership you cannot dissolve for over 20 years. > > I have found that this list has been a lot more helpful than my? > franchisor. > > Others may feel differently. I'll weigh in on this subject I'm sure there are some very bad franchisors And I know of many horror stories from franchisees I have a quite different story my relationship with the franchisor has been ( for the most part ) good I also have very realistic expectation I don't expect them to go out and sell printing and bring me the orders I did expect them to give me a set of "best practice" and a "business? model" I do expect them to look ahead of the curve at trends, equipment, and? business opportunities I do expect them to have answers ( or find the answer ) to my questions Many of those question, I can get answered here on this list However, I will have to filter a large variety of answers A good franchisor will give you options and a recommendation For me, even with a background in print purchasing and desktop? publishing If I had not bought a franchise, I would not have survived. Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx? (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jvanruyven at yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 03:02:15 2008 From: jvanruyven at yahoo.com (Jhet van Ruyven) Date: Thu Jul 17 03:02:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] T Y for your wisdom and advise Message-ID: <767626.25092.qm@web63812.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Thank you very much to your valuable wisdom and expertise advise - copy, noted and off to action taking...(including a bit of a play inspite of...watched?pre-screening of Mama Mia. A good stress relief. Breathing success, Jhet van Ruyven Living in a life of gratitude, abundance and purpose Digi-Print Graphics Plus Surrey, B.C. Canada 1-604-536-9741 1-604-536-9751 www.digiprintgraphics.com www.thetaleofjuliet.com From chris at mmgraphicsandmail.com Thu Jul 17 07:51:21 2008 From: chris at mmgraphicsandmail.com (Chris Cochran) Date: Thu Jul 17 07:51:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Software-Bulk Mailer 5 or AccuZip In-Reply-To: <20080716201749.26898.3332@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: <4F3D1BD4FACC492C89E882E58E17F4C7@ChrisCochran> Jeff, I understand your being turned off by the Demo fee, I would be too. I whole heartedly recommend Accuzip. Their customer support is to die for. They go way beyond the norm in helping me with weird lists. They often will just say send them the list and they then fix it and send it back to you at no charge. GO WITH ACCUZIP. That way we won't have to say we told you so years later. Chris Cochran M & M Graphics, Inc. "Our work makes you look better" Tel:704-376-0938 www.mmgraphicsandmail.com Print** Design** Mailing** Copy Services Great printing - at great prices. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Haines Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:18 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Software-Bulk Mailer 5 or AccuZip ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Our subscription for Mailers+4 is coming up so we are evaluating Bulk Mailer 5 and Accuzip against what we have. We've been with Mailers+4 for 9 years I think. I've had online demos of both and they both seem better than Mailers+4 though Mailers claims to be working on improving their software. After the demo yesterday with AccuZip I remember why I didn't consider them 3 years ago - they charged for $295 for demo software. Bulk Mailer sent me a demo a month ago which I haven't loaded. They are going to send me the next one when it comes out later this month. It makes it hard to give AccuZip a fair trial when they won't send a demo disk. So I'm trying to decide if I should just write them off or spend the money (which goes against my grain) for a demo (they will credit it against the software if I purchase theirs). Does anyone have experience with both that can recommend one over the other? Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 . Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz . www.hprinting.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu Jul 17 08:43:22 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu Jul 17 08:43:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Antitrust Check In-Reply-To: <004c01c8e7ae$a1187700$6501a8c0@coranew> References: <8CAB5A1AAE3F286-FF0-2B83@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> <004c01c8e7ae$a1187700$6501a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <8CAB621D52B7A0A-14B8-408B@WEBMAIL-MA14.sysops.aol.com> Cora thank you for your reply. I'm old school, hand shake. Going to look both ways from here on in. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Cora To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 9:44 pm Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] RE: Antitrust Check ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Tommy, first of all I am sorry for your experience and YES, it is a bad deal!!!!! I don't think too many on this list are using them for just that reason. There has been talk about this company before, but it might be before you joined the list. There are several other companies and vendors that have been mentioned as untrustworthy. Someone mentioned a while back about making a list of companies that go after your customers and also a list of companies not to use, but don't think it was ever done. Probably because of potential lawsuits, but it is a good idea. Maybe before you start dealing with someone in the future, you could ask the list how their dealings with this company have been. JAT Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 854-0321 Fax (Call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sgfinke at fuse.net Thu Jul 17 08:47:26 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Thu Jul 17 08:45:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Newbie - What a beautiful world with print ownersaround In-Reply-To: <24E815AC-CE96-4067-B59D-EDB4D55BD5AC@inkonpaper.biz> References: <514656.13305.qm@web63811.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <00bc01c8e75e$5e205b20$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> <24E815AC-CE96-4067-B59D-EDB4D55BD5AC@inkonpaper.biz> Message-ID: <9977A649-619A-4591-8ACD-B881327D767C@fuse.net> Jhet: You have gotten so many great responses, but here is question that might change some of them. I looked at your very interesting site. Are you planning to continue your work as a motivational speaker? The right choice for you in the best way to run your business may change if you intend to do a lot of traveling, either now or after a few months. I am not a franchisor but a good franchise might be a lot of help if you want to have a lot of time to travel, market your book, etc. I do have one suggestion. My quick look at your site shows me that you have a distinctive personality. Consider using that as a marketing tool -- I am not talking here about your background and story, but just yourself. Think about why your customers should choose to work with you rather than a competitor, and market that. Welcome to the list! Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com From stalprint at charter.net Thu Jul 17 08:53:57 2008 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Thu Jul 17 08:54:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Small Shop In-Reply-To: <487E72CA.7020108@satx.rr.com> References: <0BA4F6B8-A9B9-4DA5-A26F-0FA9C40C9EA0@protypeonline.com> <487E72CA.7020108@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <487F40E5.9080004@charter.net> Looks like my family business is toward the top on this one. While working for a larger printing company about 30 minutes away, my father decided to venture out on his on (with the blessings of the larger company). Started in the corner of his basement with a Multi 1250 and a hand powered cutter. Typesetting and negatives were farmed out. Plate burner was a hand made frame with glass top and foam rubber backing to make the seal. Exposure was done with a sun lamp. Good ole days. -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From priorityprinting at comcast.net Thu Jul 17 09:27:45 2008 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Thu Jul 17 09:27:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Newbie need your wisdom and expertise Message-ID: <071720081327.25239.487F48D10001D8D30000629722070029530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> I purchased a print shop which was part of a franchise. I had to honor the franchise contract otherwise I would have left the franchise system immediately. We were part of the franchise for three years and paid a six figure sum in royalties in that time. I honestly found that it was essentially a one way investment. The information provided to me was in most cases sporadic and of poor quality. Most of the support was not nearly of the quality you can get in other places such as NAQP. I would caution you joining a franchise to help you get organized. My particular franchise offered little help other than the opportunity to use their name. Realistically a franchise name in printing in my opinion is of little or no help. Talk to other printers to guide you towards getting organized. I would be happy to speak with you directly regarding franchises. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 810 487-1700 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Printernot@aol.com > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > In a message dated 7/15/2008 3:43:49 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > jvanruyven@yahoo.com writes: > > Also what is your thoughts on getting into franchise system. I thought of > this as an easy way out of non-system. I do not mind sharing the profit in > forms of royalty if I can adopt and have a system and support in place. > > > > You might seriously want to rethink that. Getting into a franchise likely > will not give you a systemized way to do business. There are a number of > franchisees who appear to be greatly disorganized. There are certainly many who > are > very organized and highly successful, who may very well have developed their > own systems. The royalties you do not mind sharing could be substantial over > a period of years. Depending on the length of the franchise agreement, the > percentage, and your sales volume, you could easily end up paying them $500,000 > to well over $1 million. That's money that could have possibly stayed in > your pocket. > > Whereas hiring a consultant could cost a fair amount now and if you follow > the recommendations you may be able to get exactly what you seek and then be > putting that royalty money in your pocket for many years. > > Having been in a franchise system I can say that many of the more successful > owners may well have been just as successful had they done it on their own. > Many of the former franchisees have continued their success after having left > their systems when franchise agreements expired. > > Unlike many of the food franchisers, the printing franchisers do very little > to help increase your sales through things like advertising and name > recognition. They may have marketing programs, but since not every franchisee > participates, it can often be confusing if you are in an area with multiple > other > locations of the same franchise. > > That's my take. Others may differ. > > Don Byers > Colorado Springs, CO > > > > > **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music > scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From priorityprinting at comcast.net Thu Jul 17 09:27:45 2008 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Thu Jul 17 09:27:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Newbie need your wisdom and expertise Message-ID: <071720081327.25239.487F48D10001D8D30000629722070029530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> I purchased a print shop which was part of a franchise. I had to honor the franchise contract otherwise I would have left the franchise system immediately. We were part of the franchise for three years and paid a six figure sum in royalties in that time. I honestly found that it was essentially a one way investment. The information provided to me was in most cases sporadic and of poor quality. Most of the support was not nearly of the quality you can get in other places such as NAQP. I would caution you joining a franchise to help you get organized. My particular franchise offered little help other than the opportunity to use their name. Realistically a franchise name in printing in my opinion is of little or no help. Talk to other printers to guide you towards getting organized. I would be happy to speak with you directly regarding franchises. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 810 487-1700 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Printernot@aol.com > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > In a message dated 7/15/2008 3:43:49 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > jvanruyven@yahoo.com writes: > > Also what is your thoughts on getting into franchise system. I thought of > this as an easy way out of non-system. I do not mind sharing the profit in > forms of royalty if I can adopt and have a system and support in place. > > > > You might seriously want to rethink that. Getting into a franchise likely > will not give you a systemized way to do business. There are a number of > franchisees who appear to be greatly disorganized. There are certainly many who > are > very organized and highly successful, who may very well have developed their > own systems. The royalties you do not mind sharing could be substantial over > a period of years. Depending on the length of the franchise agreement, the > percentage, and your sales volume, you could easily end up paying them $500,000 > to well over $1 million. That's money that could have possibly stayed in > your pocket. > > Whereas hiring a consultant could cost a fair amount now and if you follow > the recommendations you may be able to get exactly what you seek and then be > putting that royalty money in your pocket for many years. > > Having been in a franchise system I can say that many of the more successful > owners may well have been just as successful had they done it on their own. > Many of the former franchisees have continued their success after having left > their systems when franchise agreements expired. > > Unlike many of the food franchisers, the printing franchisers do very little > to help increase your sales through things like advertising and name > recognition. They may have marketing programs, but since not every franchisee > participates, it can often be confusing if you are in an area with multiple > other > locations of the same franchise. > > That's my take. Others may differ. > > Don Byers > Colorado Springs, CO > > > > > **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music > scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From owner at latsons.com Thu Jul 17 10:05:45 2008 From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson) Date: Thu Jul 17 10:06:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] custom printed tape Message-ID: <200807171405.m6HE5ou6078686@pro35.abac.com> I have a customer that uses a custom printed paper tape 1/2 " wide on a 3" core. It is a yellow tape with the word 'used' printed repeatedly on it. They use a lot of this and have asked me to find a source. I have done a web search and it has produced some possibilities but I wanted to check the list to see if anyone has a proven source. Thanks in advance for any responses. -Dick Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com From robin at protypeonline.com Thu Jul 17 10:18:03 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Thu Jul 17 10:18:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Manager - Job Description Message-ID: <125BE3D0-1051-41ED-ACE3-F4C7CDA4C825@protypeonline.com> I need a simple, yet effective, job description for a small shop manager -- managing 5 or less employees at a second location. If you have one to share, I would be grateful. :) robin Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 Wright Printing Company 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From oren66 at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 17 10:31:04 2008 From: oren66 at sbcglobal.net (Arie Teomi) Date: Thu Jul 17 10:31:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Software-Bulk Mailer 5 or AccuZip In-Reply-To: <4F3D1BD4FACC492C89E882E58E17F4C7@ChrisCochran> Message-ID: <226129.6733.qm@web83411.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Jeff, I too will vote for Accuzip. We used Postalsoft for several years and are now using Accuzip for about 5-6 years. As mentioned here, their customer service is excellent. Sometime you do not appreciate Customer Service until you get to a certain point. For us,we are getting from Accuzip what we expect and more. Arie Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner From steve at digitalprintink.net Thu Jul 17 11:11:11 2008 From: steve at digitalprintink.net (Steve Counts) Date: Thu Jul 17 11:14:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Confession Message-ID: <20080717151358.5ACCCFE490B@rb.enter.net> Yesterday I sent a request to the group for info about newspaper print that can be used in a digital press. I did not get a response but as I reflected on this it occurred to me that I could go to Google and look it up myself. Sure enough I tried that and found an article that I can refer to in my meeting with my customer who requested the info. I should have done that to begin with. Steve Counts President Digital Print Ink Springfield, MO 417 881 5309 417 459 5953 From sgfinke at fuse.net Thu Jul 17 11:32:20 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Thu Jul 17 11:30:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Confession In-Reply-To: <20080717151358.5ACCCFE490B@rb.enter.net> References: <20080717151358.5ACCCFE490B@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7C665146-CD3B-40D1-B181-CC8D5F10A119@fuse.net> Ego te absolvo, Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Jul 17, 2008, at 11:11 AM, Steve Counts wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Yesterday I sent a request to the group for info about newspaper > print that > can be used in a digital press. I did not get a response but as I > reflected > on this it occurred to me that I could go to Google and look it up > myself. > Sure enough I tried that and found an article that I can refer to > in my > meeting with my customer who requested the info. > > > > I should have done that to begin with. > > > > Steve Counts > > President > > Digital Print Ink > > Springfield, MO > > 417 881 5309 > > 417 459 5953 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From stalprint at charter.net Thu Jul 17 11:37:54 2008 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Thu Jul 17 11:38:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Confession In-Reply-To: <7C665146-CD3B-40D1-B181-CC8D5F10A119@fuse.net> References: <20080717151358.5ACCCFE490B@rb.enter.net> <7C665146-CD3B-40D1-B181-CC8D5F10A119@fuse.net> Message-ID: <487F6752.7070605@charter.net> I had to Google that. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Ego+te+absolvo&btnG=Google+Search Scott and Gail Finke wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Ego te absolvo, > > > Gail Finke > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, OH 45231 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > (513) 522-2679 > Fax 522-2692 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > info@brentwood-printing.com > www.brentwood-printing.com > > > > > On Jul 17, 2008, at 11:11 AM, Steve Counts wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Yesterday I sent a request to the group for info about newspaper >> print that >> can be used in a digital press. I did not get a response but as I >> reflected >> on this it occurred to me that I could go to Google and look it up >> myself. >> Sure enough I tried that and found an article that I can refer to in my >> meeting with my customer who requested the info. >> >> >> >> I should have done that to begin with. >> >> >> >> Steve Counts >> >> President >> >> Digital Print Ink >> >> Springfield, MO >> >> 417 881 5309 >> >> 417 459 5953 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Thu Jul 17 11:52:02 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Thu Jul 17 11:52:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Newbie - What a beautiful world with print ownersaround In-Reply-To: <656456.32826.qm@web63806.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <656456.32826.qm@web63806.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A0D895A-D5B5-413C-A647-CB8AD81B558C@inkonpaper.biz> I would be happy to talk with you I'm available from about 9:00 am till 11:00 and then from about 1:00 till 4:30 Call me at 586-263-0060 On Jul 17, 2008, at 2:46 AM, Jhet van Ruyven wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dear Loren: > Thank you very much for your wisdom. Would you have time to chat > tomorrow morning- (Thursday July 17)? > Like to pick your brain on Allegra Franchising. > Warm regards, > Jhet - Canada > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Loren Maurina > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:04:30 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Newbie - What a beautiful world with > print ownersaround > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > On Jul 16, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Gordon Watt wrote: > >> Bad move in my opinion. Been there. Paid a lot to get out. You will >> have a >> partnership you cannot dissolve for over 20 years. >> >> I have found that this list has been a lot more helpful than my >> franchisor. >> >> Others may feel differently. > > I'll weigh in on this subject > I'm sure there are some very bad franchisors > And I know of many horror stories from franchisees > > I have a quite different story > my relationship with the franchisor has been ( for the most part ) > good > I also have very realistic expectation > I don't expect them to go out and sell printing and bring me the > orders > I did expect them to give me a set of "best practice" and a "business > model" > I do expect them to look ahead of the curve at trends, equipment, and > business opportunities > I do expect them to have answers ( or find the answer ) to my > questions > > Many of those question, I can get answered here on this list > However, I will have to filter a large variety of answers > A good franchisor will give you options and a recommendation > > For me, even with a background in print purchasing and desktop > publishing > If I had not bought a franchise, I would not have survived. > > Loren Maurina > President > L & L Printing, Inc. > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren > > ph (586) 263-0060 > fx (586) 263-4895 > > Loren@InkOnPaper.biz > > "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com Thu Jul 17 12:24:01 2008 From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat) Date: Thu Jul 17 12:23:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] custom printed tape In-Reply-To: <200807171405.m6HE5ou6078686@pro35.abac.com> References: <200807171405.m6HE5ou6078686@pro35.abac.com> Message-ID: A&M Tape & Packaging, 1-800-231-8806. They are very good and are here in Sunrise, Florida. Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dick Latson Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:06 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] custom printed tape ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a customer that uses a custom printed paper tape 1/2 " wide on a 3" core. It is a yellow tape with the word 'used' printed repeatedly on it. They use a lot of this and have asked me to find a source. I have done a web search and it has produced some possibilities but I wanted to check the list to see if anyone has a proven source. Thanks in advance for any responses. -Dick Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From steve at digitalprintink.net Thu Jul 17 13:03:59 2008 From: steve at digitalprintink.net (Steve Counts) Date: Thu Jul 17 13:06:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Austin Texas Message-ID: <20080717170650.291E3FE4D36@rb.enter.net> I will be in Austin Texas, Thursday & Friday July 24-25 for a family event. Is there anyone on this list from the Austin area? If so I would like to visit your business. Steve Counts President Digital Print Ink Springfield, MO 417 881 5309 417 459 5953 From owner at latsons.com Thu Jul 17 13:24:53 2008 From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson) Date: Thu Jul 17 13:25:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Austin Texas In-Reply-To: <20080717170650.291E3FE4D36@rb.enter.net> References: <20080717170650.291E3FE4D36@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <200807171725.m6HHP8oE041431@pro35.abac.com> Steve I do not live there but visit often, it is a great city. May I recommend a Chili Relleno from Chuy's on Barton Springs Road. One of many wonderful places to eat in Austin. -Dick At 12:03 PM 7/17/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I will be in Austin Texas, Thursday & Friday July 24-25 for a family event. >Is there anyone on this list from the Austin area? If so I would like to >visit your business. > > > >Steve Counts > >President > >Digital Print Ink > >Springfield, MO > >417 881 5309 > >417 459 5953 > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com From owner at latsons.com Thu Jul 17 13:25:26 2008 From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson) Date: Thu Jul 17 13:25:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Austin Texas Message-ID: <200807171725.m6HHP8oG041431@pro35.abac.com> Steve I do not live there but visit often, it is a great city. May I recommend a Chili Relleno from Chuy's on Barton Springs Road. One of many wonderful places to eat in Austin. -Dick At 12:03 PM 7/17/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I will be in Austin Texas, Thursday & Friday July 24-25 for a family event. >Is there anyone on this list from the Austin area? If so I would like to >visit your business. > > > >Steve Counts > >President > >Digital Print Ink > >Springfield, MO > >417 881 5309 > >417 459 5953 > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Thu Jul 17 13:45:02 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Thu Jul 17 13:44:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Austin Texas In-Reply-To: <20080717170650.291E3FE4D36@rb.enter.net> References: <20080717170650.291E3FE4D36@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <487F851E.5080305@satx.rr.com> The people's republic of Austin is a few mile north of here. Too bad you will have to endure that city instead of coming here. We have Sea World and Six Flags to take your money. Austin, eh maybe the music clubs on eighth street? Come prepared for hot. We are running high 90s with 50-60% humidity this time of year. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Steve Counts wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I will be in Austin Texas, Thursday & Friday July 24-25 for a family event. > Is there anyone on this list from the Austin area? If so I would like to > visit your business. > > > > Steve Counts > > President > > Digital Print Ink > > Springfield, MO > > 417 881 5309 > > 417 459 5953 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Jul 17 14:20:24 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Jul 17 14:20:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pre-perfed paper source? Message-ID: <98f5b19a0807171120k7ec5adedr359e973ae506b6d0@mail.gmail.com> Looking for 24# pre-perforated stock *in pastel colors*. Anybody have a source (preferably in NY, New England area)? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From joseph at mauiprintworks.com Thu Jul 17 15:25:43 2008 From: joseph at mauiprintworks.com (Joseph Marsh) Date: Thu Jul 17 15:25:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adding Booklet Maker to BW Copier Message-ID: We are looking to upgrade our X WCP90 to a 4595 or a 4112. Does anyone have experience with adding booklet maker functions to their copier. Have you noticed any great benefit from adding this function to your copier? Does the slow down in production speed offset its benefit in booklet making online? Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 Cell: 808-264-6382 joseph@mauiprintworks.com From greg at pressexpress.org Thu Jul 17 15:35:17 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Thu Jul 17 15:35:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] custom printed tape In-Reply-To: References: <200807171405.m6HE5ou6078686@pro35.abac.com> Message-ID: <0AFFB6A8-E43C-44BA-8F7E-9480FA74DC67@pressexpress.org> Hey, this would be a good idea for 2" wide packing tape. Can they do that too? Greg On Jul 17, 2008, at 11:24 AM, Richard Moffat wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > A&M Tape & Packaging, 1-800-231-8806. They are very good and are > here in > Sunrise, Florida. > > > Richard Moffat > > Sir Speedy > 244 S.W. 6th Street > Miami, Florida 33130 > (305) 285-1401 Tel > (305) 285-1402 Fax > richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com > www.sirspeedy-brickell.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dick Latson > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:06 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] custom printed tape > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a customer that uses a custom printed paper tape 1/2 " wide on > a 3" core. It is a yellow tape with the word 'used' printed > repeatedly on it. They use a lot of this and have asked me to find a > source. I have done a web search and it has produced some > possibilities but I wanted to check the list to see if anyone has a > proven source. Thanks in advance for any responses. > > -Dick > > Dick Latson > Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. > 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 > Commerce, Texas 75428 > (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 > email: owner@latsons.com > www.latsons.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From sirspeedy7099 at verizon.net Thu Jul 17 16:37:38 2008 From: sirspeedy7099 at verizon.net (Sir Speedy-Havertown) Date: Thu Jul 17 16:37:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pre-perfed paper source? References: <98f5b19a0807171120k7ec5adedr359e973ae506b6d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00e901c8e84c$f445c1f0$6901a8c0@David> Paper Mart will do any custom perfing you want at very reasonable prices. 973-884-2505 Howard Levey is one of the owners and the one we deal with. David McBride Sir Speedy-Havertown 443 West Chester Pike Havertown, PA 610-789-2685 E-mail:drmcbride@sirspeedy7099.com http://www.sirspeedy7099.com To send us a file click: http://www.sirspeedy.com/Center/FranchiseSelected.asp?FranchiseID=70990&redirect=SendAFile Registered Member of the Microsoft Publisher Service Provider Program And the Adobe Solutions Network ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Vogel" To: Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 2:20 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Pre-perfed paper source? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Looking for 24# pre-perforated stock *in pastel colors*. > > Anybody have a source (preferably in NY, New England > area)? > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Jul 17 16:57:43 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Jul 17 16:57:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pre-perfed paper source? In-Reply-To: <00e901c8e84c$f445c1f0$6901a8c0@David> References: <98f5b19a0807171120k7ec5adedr359e973ae506b6d0@mail.gmail.com> <00e901c8e84c$f445c1f0$6901a8c0@David> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0807171357k5e3a0669sc0d29d7344da2dba@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Sir Speedy-Havertown < sirspeedy7099@verizon.net> wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Paper Mart will do any custom perfing you want at very reasonable prices. > > 973-884-2505 Howard Levey is one of the owners and the one we deal with. Thanks David. Nice guy with a great memory. He remembered meeting me at OnDemand a bunch of years ago, and shipping me an order of 500 of some oddball envelope! > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon From sos at olympus.net Thu Jul 17 17:54:13 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Jul 17 17:54:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm back References: <4CF6254A-6E7E-4AC1-9EBD-84C0803476E0@colorcraftprinting.com><200807030046.m630kW9c068226@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <070d01c8e857$a6e603b0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Got in last night at about midnight. Three weeks in England, Scotland and Wales. Spent the night in a Castle in Scotland, many different B&Bs, rented a car and put 1440 miles on it. I thought it was a Peugeot but when I could not turn off the rear window wiper and actually looked at the manual, I discovered it was a Vauxhall. Fun driving. Nightmare navigating. They have apparently never heard of the compass in Great Brittan. You can't get on the A702 and head South. There is no South. You have to head for East Puddlington-on-Wey which you've never heard of before and can't find on your map. Cause if you head to Bocklintonshire you'll be going the wrong direction. But you wouldn't know that because it's not on your map either. Any way, we went to Bath, saw the Roman baths, the Jane Austin center, the oh so formal Edwardian architecture, the quaint villages of the Cotswold, saw Shakespeare's house and Blenheim Palace (where Churchill was born) and Warwick castle. And Caudor castle and Borthwitch castle. We went to a small community Highland Games and saw pipe bands, and little girls dancing and big burly guys throwing cabers and other heavy things. We saw Lock Ness but didn't see Nessie. We saw Mighty Urquhart Castle, and Edinburgh Castle, and Hollyrude Palace (the queen lives there you know, when she's in Scotland). We climbed to the very top of the Wallace Memorial in Sterling, and toured the battle field at Culloden. We drove along Hadrian's wall, toured a Roman fort. We wandered through the medieval Shambles of York, heard a childrens choir concert at the Minster (a highlight for me) and finished it off with a few days jostling the crowd in London. Louise and Emily went to a performance of Phantom of the Opera while Jon and I hit the British Museum. Those Brits have sure stolen a lot of amazing art from Egypt and Greece and well, all over the world actually. They have about half the Parthenon in there. Did you know an average ordinary fish and chips costs about $18 now. An ordinary beer about $6.00. A family of four to ride the Tubes out and back, zone 1, $64.00 Admission to the Tower $120.00 plus an hour in line. An ordinary cottage in the Cotswold $1,000,000. Of course that's only 500,000 pounds, but still I don't see how those English people manage to live there. I guess they are all millionaires. I never saw a car more than three or four years old in two weeks of driving. Everyone drives a nice new car. Or walks. And while we were definitely tourists in more touristy areas, we did try to seek out the locals pubs and restaurants but still very expensive. A very busy trip. I'm tired. But a great trip. Glad to be home though. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Thu Jul 17 18:24:00 2008 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Thu Jul 17 18:24:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm back In-Reply-To: <070d01c8e857$a6e603b0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: What a trip. Very worthwhile, even though you're broke now at those costs. I was in London in 2001, and the exchange rate was right at $1.50 or so. Now, it's $2.00 for one pound. Inflation has added to the problem I'm sure. I went with my wife and two daughters. Decent hotel in a good, not great, location was around $120 dollars, and dinner was typically $15 dollars at "local" places. I got fish and chips once at the bar and it sure wasn't $18. Tube was cheap though; not sure why it's so high now. We did a lot, but nothing like your busy agenda. (We did a day trip to Bath though.)I like to hear people say, "Oh, I'd love to travel more, but I can't afford it (or whatever)". The truth is most of those people would never travel to a foreign country because travel in many respects is pretty stressful at times and takes effort. And many people can only eat chicken fingers, or some such thing. Just my opinion. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.0/1556 - Release Date: 7/16/2008 4:56 PM From sos at olympus.net Thu Jul 17 19:56:23 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Jul 17 19:56:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm back References: Message-ID: <072c01c8e868$b8220820$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernard Bahn" > Tube was cheap though; not sure why it's so high now. ================== Four Pounds ($8.00) a trip is the base rate. If you used it every day you can get passes, or deals of some kind. But with four of us it was way less to just take a taxi several time, depending on how far it was. Or busses. We did trains too. And LOTS of walking. And stairs everywhere. And cobble stones and uneven paving stones, and worn out stairs. I never fell, but I almost tripped many times. I saw several people tumble, one poor guy landed right on his nose and was bleeding all over the street. And the idiot signs that say "Mind the step" and "Mind your head" don't really help a lot. I really enjoyed driving over there. The roads are so narrow, with stone walls and hedge rows you couldn't possibly pull over, so the cops don't even bother to try pulling anyone over. There are almost no stop signs. All intersections are Yields or as they put it "Give way". And the traffic just moves right along. In city speed limit is 30 MPH as opposed to our 25 or in downtown Port Townsend 20. And when you hit the end of a town, they have end signs and it's right back to 50 or 60. Excellent signage for curves and narrow spots and stuff. Terrible signage for directions. My wife and I took turns as driver or navigator and both agree, that navigator is far harder. I'm heading home, it's midnight in England. Almost made it through the whole day. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From sgfinke at fuse.net Thu Jul 17 20:32:58 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Thu Jul 17 20:30:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm back In-Reply-To: <072c01c8e868$b8220820$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <072c01c8e868$b8220820$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: What a wonderful trip! Scott and I did two short vacations in the early 90s and we saw some of those places. I can't imagine paying that much for the Tower but the Crown Jewels are the most spectacular things I've ever seen -- and I don't even like jewelry. We stayed at B&Bs instead of hotels, which was much cheaper then and included a meal, and ate most of our lunches at bakeries or Indian places. We were young and poor (as opposed to now, when we are old and poor) and didn't mind staying in some of the really rotten London B&Bs, but the ones in Stratford and York and other places were all nice. Bernie's right, you can't be too picky when you travel if you expect to enjoy yourself. If you like everything the way it is at home, you'd better stay home! Did you see the Scottish War Memorial in Edinburgh? Did you tour Edinburgh Castle? No one ever told me Britain had a castle built on top of an extinct volcano! I think it must have been Tolkien's inspiration for Gondor in "The Lord of the Rings." We took a midnight "ghost tour" through the closes. I wish I had been able to go further north in Scotland, that place is like another planet. The people I know who have gone to live in England for a while for work say it is unbelievably expensive to live there. Directions and roads are infamous in Britain. One of Bill Bryson's books has a whole chapter about talking about highway directions in Britain. I would sure love to go back. Did you meet any British printers? Welcome home! Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Jul 17, 2008, at 7:56 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernard Bahn" > > >> Tube was cheap though; not sure why it's so high now. > ================== > > Four Pounds ($8.00) a trip is the base rate. If you used it every > day you can get passes, or deals of some kind. But with four of us > it was way less to just take a taxi several time, depending on how > far it was. Or busses. > We did trains too. And LOTS of walking. > And stairs everywhere. > And cobble stones and uneven paving stones, and worn out stairs. I > never fell, but I almost tripped many times. I saw several people > tumble, one poor guy landed right on his nose and was bleeding all > over the street. And the idiot signs that say "Mind the step" and > "Mind your head" don't really help a lot. > > I really enjoyed driving over there. The roads are so narrow, with > stone walls and hedge rows you couldn't possibly pull over, so the > cops don't even bother to try pulling anyone over. There are > almost no stop signs. All intersections are Yields or as they put > it "Give way". And the traffic just moves right along. In city > speed limit is 30 MPH as opposed to our 25 or in downtown Port > Townsend 20. And when you hit the end of a town, they have end > signs and it's right back to 50 or 60. Excellent signage for > curves and narrow spots and stuff. Terrible signage for > directions. My wife and I took turns as driver or navigator and > both agree, that navigator is far harder. > > I'm heading home, it's midnight in England. Almost made it through > the whole day. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From jvanruyven at yahoo.com Fri Jul 18 02:07:47 2008 From: jvanruyven at yahoo.com (Jhet van Ruyven) Date: Fri Jul 18 02:34:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Newbie - What a beautiful world with print ownersaround Message-ID: <870411.37879.qm@web63805.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Loren, sorry I was not able to call you today - whew the shop was hectic today - there were 5 of us - all new - Tomorrow until Sunday I'll be attending personal development seminar with my daughter. Hope to get in touch on Monday or Tuesday. Was wondering.. how long have you been a franchisee with Allegra? I love to know more of their details - how strick are they?, I read 3.5 - 6% royalty - when do they decide 3.5%? or 6%? Is there a cap? I also read they do conversion, I?do not have press only digital. Am looking into the other one, gosh after 14 years on my own now I'm leaning towards a solid system to take me through the temporary sliding sales to the next level hopefully. But I am not really sure how much time and longer I can stay put in the shop.? I love to continue what I have started in the last 3 years - and I thought being a franchisee and take advantage of the systematic training would help me get faster to where I wanted to be, and eventually have an exit strategy if I find running it prevents me from travelling for speaking engagements. Love to connect and chat with you re pros and cons. Thanks a million!! Warm regards, Jhet ----- Original Message ---- From: Loren Maurina To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 8:52:02 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Newbie - What a beautiful world with print ownersaround ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I would be happy to talk with you I'm available from about 9:00 am till 11:00 and then from about 1:00? till 4:30 Call me at 586-263-0060 On Jul 17, 2008, at 2:46 AM, Jhet van Ruyven wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dear Loren: > Thank you very much for your wisdom. Would you have time to chat? > tomorrow morning- (Thursday July 17)? > Like to pick your brain on Allegra Franchising. > Warm regards, > Jhet - Canada > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Loren Maurina > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only? > > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:04:30 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Newbie - What a beautiful world with? > print ownersaround > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > On Jul 16, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Gordon Watt wrote: > >> Bad move in my opinion. Been there. Paid a lot to get out. You will >> have a >> partnership you cannot dissolve for over 20 years. >> >> I have found that this list has been a lot more helpful than my >> franchisor. >> >> Others may feel differently. > > I'll weigh in on this subject > I'm sure there are some very bad franchisors > And I know of many horror stories from franchisees > > I have a quite different story > my relationship with the franchisor has been ( for the most part )? > good > I also have very realistic expectation > I don't expect them to go out and sell printing and bring me the? > orders > I did expect them to give me a set of "best practice" and a "business > model" > I do expect them to look ahead of the curve at trends, equipment, and > business opportunities > I do expect them to have answers ( or find the answer ) to my? > questions > > Many of those question, I can get answered here on this list > However, I will have to filter a large variety of answers > A good franchisor will give you options and a recommendation > > For me, even with a background in print purchasing and desktop > publishing > If I had not bought a franchise, I would not have survived. > > Loren Maurina > President > L & L Printing, Inc. > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren > > ph (586) 263-0060 > fx? (586) 263-4895 > > Loren@InkOnPaper.biz > > "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx? (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jvanruyven at yahoo.com Fri Jul 18 02:42:10 2008 From: jvanruyven at yahoo.com (Jhet van Ruyven) Date: Fri Jul 18 02:42:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Newbie - What a beautiful world with print ownersaround Message-ID: <589338.58844.qm@web63805.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Thank you so very much Gail and others wrm and caring?insights.?Gail, you read what's truly in me deep inside my heart. Yes, that's exactly what I want to do continue to touch, impact and pay forward... That's why I don't mind giving up my ego -, giving up the name, teaming up with Franchisor who would pretty much take out some freedom in exchange for their trademark (which may or may not mean a lot)?propriety and organizational system. I mean I built this business 14 years ago. Althought it didn't grow very much, It has been rewarding experience with all its ups and down. ?I have always pursued other things that truly makes my hearts sing - like spending time with children, driving them to and from soccer games, track and field, holidays, camping, travelling places, and living life outside business. The business provided me decent income and I'm so grateful for those opportunities. There are many lessons learned but all in all "no regrets". Of course there will always be pros and cons being a franchisee and that's what I hope to weigh in base on my very own needs, current situation and what I want to get out of living life in full. In perspective there are plenty franchisees that are thriving, there are also some that are into legal situations with Franchisor, etc. etc. I believe like in anything "we get what we put on it". I'm still processing if?being a Franchisee?is the good and best move for me. Sure others say there are consultants out there and will cost more upfront and but will cost a lot less than being a franchisee over time because of the royalties.? I thought going this way will fast-track the makeover, make use of the support, system, training,?management tips and tricks, hire a manager and be a part-time owner, see how it fits my desired lifestyle and mission and then eventually let go. I'll be making some calls and a bit more research which way will truly resonate with me. In the next three days me and my daughter?will be attending Land Mark Forum.? I expect to find some clarity which path to take....until I see?the lawyer who will give me some scary scenarios :) Yeah bring it on. Have a great weekend new found friends online. Jhet Living a life of gratitude, abundance and purpose Digi-Print Graphics Plus 604-536-9741 www.thetaleofjuliet.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Scott and Gail Finke To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:47:26 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Newbie - What a beautiful world with print ownersaround ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Jhet: You have gotten so many great responses, but here is question that? might change some of them. I looked at your very interesting site. Are you planning to continue? your work as a motivational speaker? The right choice for you in the? best way to run your business may change if you intend to do a lot of? traveling, either now or after a few months. I am not a franchisor but a good franchise might be a lot of help if? you want to have a lot of time to travel, market your book, etc. I do have one suggestion. My quick look at your site shows me that? you have a distinctive personality. Consider using that as a? marketing tool -- I am not talking here about your background and? story, but just yourself. Think about why your customers should? choose to work with you rather than a competitor, and market that. Welcome to the list! Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc.??? 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From rstor at copycats.com Fri Jul 18 09:01:39 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Fri Jul 18 09:02:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Newbie - What a beautiful world with print ownersaround In-Reply-To: <870411.37879.qm@web63805.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <870411.37879.qm@web63805.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48809433.6050308@copycats.com> Jhet, There is no quick fix-it in this business. Whatever system you adopt, whether from a franchise, from a consultant, or from other resources, it needs to be implemented and managed consistently on a day-to-day basis. I would not be able to do that as a part-time employee. I don't know many that could, especially when you start from scratch. It seems to me that, in order to be successful, you need to make a decision about whether to give your all to printing or to your other career. Alternately, you could partner with someone that would run the business and be satisfied with a much smaller share of the profits. In all honesty though, if you are starting form scratch, the operating partner would have little incentive to work with you - you bring little to the table other than some equipment and some goodwill - though the latter may be evaporating if the former employees are poaching your customers. Please take this as well-intentioned advice. I am not looking to attack you. Good luck to you! Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Jhet van Ruyven wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Loren, sorry I was not able to call you today - whew the shop was hectic today - there were 5 of us - all new - > Tomorrow until Sunday I'll be attending personal development seminar with my daughter. Hope to get in touch on Monday or Tuesday. > Was wondering.. how long have you been a franchisee with Allegra? > I love to know more of their details - how strick are they?, I read 3.5 - 6% royalty - when do they decide 3.5%? or 6%? > Is there a cap? > I also read they do conversion, I do not have press only digital. > Am looking into the other one, gosh after 14 years on my own now I'm leaning towards a solid system to take me through the temporary sliding sales to the next level hopefully. But I am not really sure how much time and longer I can stay put in the shop. I love to continue what I have started in the last 3 years - and I thought being a franchisee and take advantage of the systematic training would help me get faster to where I wanted to be, and eventually have an exit strategy if I find running it prevents me from travelling for speaking engagements. > Love to connect and chat with you re pros and cons. > Thanks a million!! > Warm regards, > Jhet > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Loren Maurina > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 8:52:02 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Newbie - What a beautiful world with print ownersaround > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I would be happy to talk with you > I'm available from about 9:00 am till 11:00 and then from about 1:00 > till 4:30 > > Call me at > 586-263-0060 > > > > On Jul 17, 2008, at 2:46 AM, Jhet van Ruyven wrote: > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Dear Loren: >> Thank you very much for your wisdom. Would you have time to chat >> tomorrow morning- (Thursday July 17)? >> Like to pick your brain on Allegra Franchising. >> Warm regards, >> Jhet - Canada >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Loren Maurina >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:04:30 AM >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Newbie - What a beautiful world with >> print ownersaround >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> On Jul 16, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Gordon Watt wrote: >> >> >>> Bad move in my opinion. Been there. Paid a lot to get out. You will >>> have a >>> partnership you cannot dissolve for over 20 years. >>> >>> I have found that this list has been a lot more helpful than my >>> franchisor. >>> >>> Others may feel differently. >>> >> I'll weigh in on this subject >> I'm sure there are some very bad franchisors >> And I know of many horror stories from franchisees >> >> I have a quite different story >> my relationship with the franchisor has been ( for the most part ) >> good >> I also have very realistic expectation >> I don't expect them to go out and sell printing and bring me the >> orders >> I did expect them to give me a set of "best practice" and a "business >> model" >> I do expect them to look ahead of the curve at trends, equipment, and >> business opportunities >> I do expect them to have answers ( or find the answer ) to my >> questions >> >> Many of those question, I can get answered here on this list >> However, I will have to filter a large variety of answers >> A good franchisor will give you options and a recommendation >> >> For me, even with a background in print purchasing and desktop >> publishing >> If I had not bought a franchise, I would not have survived. >> >> Loren Maurina >> President >> L & L Printing, Inc. >> dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp >> dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren >> >> ph (586) 263-0060 >> fx (586) 263-4895 >> >> Loren@InkOnPaper.biz >> >> "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > > Loren Maurina > President > L & L Printing, Inc. > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren > > ph (586) 263-0060 > fx (586) 263-4895 > > Loren@InkOnPaper.biz > > "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From copythatnyc at aol.com Fri Jul 18 10:07:30 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Fri Jul 18 10:07:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm back In-Reply-To: <070d01c8e857$a6e603b0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <4CF6254A-6E7E-4AC1-9EBD-84C0803476E0@colorcraftprinting.com><200807030046.m630kW9c068226@i2bnetworks.com> <070d01c8e857$a6e603b0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <8CAB6F6C043BA5E-830-4066@WEBMAIL-MB14.sysops.aol.com> WB I see you visited a lot of places must of been fun. But please tell of any great pubs. You must of gotten away a nite or two. : ) Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Dan Huntingford To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 5:54 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] I'm back ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Got in last night at about midnight. Three weeks in England, Scotland and Wales. Spent the night in a Castle in Scotland, many different B&Bs, rented a car and put 1440 miles on it. I thought it was a Peugeot but when I could not turn off the rear window wiper and actually looked at the manual, I discovered it was a Vauxhall. Fun driving. Nightmare navigating. They have apparently never heard of the compass in Great Brittan. You can't get on the A702 and head South. There is no South. You have to head for East Puddlington-on-Wey which you've never heard of before and can't find on your map. Cause if you head to Bocklintonshire you'll be going the wrong direction. But you wouldn't know that because it's not on your map either.? ? Any way, we went to Bath, saw the Roman baths, the Jane Austin center, the oh so formal Edwardian architecture, the quaint villages of the Cotswold, saw Shakespeare's house and Blenheim Palace (where Churchill was born) and Warwick castle. And Caudor castle and Borthwitch castle. We went to a small community Highland Games and saw pipe bands, and little girls dancing and big burly guys throwing cabers and other heavy things. We saw Lock Ness but didn't see Nessie. We saw Mighty Urquhart Castle, and Edinburgh Castle, and Hollyrude Palace (the queen lives there you know, when she's in Scotland). We climbed to the very top of the Wallace Memorial in Sterling, and toured the battle field at Culloden. We drove along Hadrian's wall, toured a Roman fort. We wandered through the medieval Shambles of York, heard a childrens choir concert at the Minster (a highlight for me) and finished it off with a few days jostling the crowd in London. Louise and Emily went to a performance of Phantom of the Opera while Jon and I hit the British Museum. Those Brits have sure stolen a lot of amazing art from Egypt and Greece and well, all over the world actually. They have about half the Parthenon in there.? ? Did you know an average ordinary fish and chips costs about $18 now. An ordinary beer about $6.00. A family of four to ride the Tubes out and back, zone 1, $64.00 Admission to the Tower $120.00 plus an hour in line. An ordinary cottage in the Cotswold $1,000,000. Of course that's only 50 0,000 pounds, but still I don't see how those English people manage to live there. I guess they are all millionaires.? I never saw a car more than three or four years old in two weeks of driving. Everyone drives a nice new car. Or walks.? And while we were definitely tourists in more touristy areas, we did try to seek out the locals pubs and restaurants but still very expensive.? ? A very busy trip. I'm tired. But a great trip.? Glad to be home though.? ? Dan Huntingford? SOS Printing? 2319 Washington Street? Port Townsend, WA 98368? Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF? sos@olympus.net? (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From falconprinting at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 10:39:38 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Fri Jul 18 10:40:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Metal Plate In-Reply-To: <8CAB6F6C043BA5E-830-4066@WEBMAIL-MB14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Does anyone (ideally in this area) know where I can get a quick reliable source for metal plates? 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(http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From falconprinting at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 10:57:26 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Fri Jul 18 10:57:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Metal Plate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:42:54 EDT > To: > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Metal Plate > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 7/18/2008 10:40:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > falconprinting@gmail.com writes: > > Does anyone (ideally in this area) know where I can get a quick reliable > source for metal plates? Not supplies, but someone who either has a direct > to metal system, or will still burn plates for me. We only need 2 or 3 a > month, but our genesis dpx just doesn't cut it for some art. > > > > > Maybe you could provide a name and location of your shop... that sure would > help folks help you if they knew where you were located. You really need to > add a permanent signature block at the bottom in your email program. > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From bherion at bucksdigital.com Fri Jul 18 10:42:57 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Fri Jul 18 11:26:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] layoff; when is the right time? Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080718103503.033d5738@bucksdigital.com> We will be making a cutback on our second shift. There is an employee who is just about to go on vacation with his family. We intend to pay for all accrued vacation and an additional 2 weeks salary. Do we tell him before his vacation or on the return? Telling him before will surely ruin his vacation spirit, yet by waiting he may be doing some spending he might otherwise not have, if told. Thoughts? Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From Printernot at aol.com Fri Jul 18 11:41:27 2008 From: Printernot at aol.com (Printernot@aol.com) Date: Fri Jul 18 11:41:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Newbie - What a beautiful world with print ownersaround Message-ID: In a message dated 7/18/2008 12:45:08 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, jvanruyven@yahoo.com writes: I thought going this way will fast-track the makeover, make use of the support, system, training, management tips and tricks, hire a manager and be a part-time owner, see how it fits my desired lifestyle and mission and then eventually let go. I'm not aware of any printing franchisers that have a systemized approach to utilizing managers in place of a hands-on owner. Most, if not all, revolve around the owner being an integral part of the business operations. There are some franchisees who operate multiple locations, but most of them developed store management systems on their own as far as I know. You might be able to get some good information on this by analyzing the Quick Printing magazine Top 100 and calling the owners of printing businesses with multiple locations - most of whom are independents. Don Byers Colorado Springs, CO **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From joy at libertyprintgreen.com Fri Jul 18 12:40:22 2008 From: joy at libertyprintgreen.com (Joy Downing) Date: Fri Jul 18 11:43:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] layoff; when is the right time? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080718103503.033d5738@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <000a01c8e8f4$f97afbb0$1401a8c0@JOY2> There is no easy answer, but I would tell him before. Being on vacation he may be able to look at "the big picture" from a different perspective. Joy Downing President Liberty 3021 Nashville Road Bowling Green, KY 42101 270-782-7829 LibertyPrintGreen.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Herion Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 8:43 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] layoff; when is the right time? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We will be making a cutback on our second shift. There is an employee who is just about to go on vacation with his family. We intend to pay for all accrued vacation and an additional 2 weeks salary. Do we tell him before his vacation or on the return? Telling him before will surely ruin his vacation spirit, yet by waiting he may be doing some spending he might otherwise not have, if told. Thoughts? Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Fri Jul 18 11:44:21 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Jul 18 11:44:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm back References: <072c01c8e868$b8220820$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <078001c8e8ed$25abfa20$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > Did you see the Scottish War Memorial in Edinburgh? Did you tour > Edinburgh Castle? No one ever told me Britain had a castle built on top > of an extinct volcano! I think it must have been Tolkien's inspiration > for Gondor in "The Lord of the Rings." Directions and roads are infamous > in Britain. One of Bill Bryson's books has a whole chapter about talking > about highway directions in Britain. I would sure love to go back. > > Did you meet any British printers? Welcome home! ===================== No War Memorial. Yes, spent several hours at Edinburgh Castle. You can see Lord of the Rings all over, the Shire in the Cotswold, Gondor in the Highlands, etc. We saw the little village where Hogsmead was filmed, and scenes from The BBC version of Pride & Prejudice. And the huge brick train trestle from Harry Potter, and Platform 9 3/4 at Kings Cross Station. You mean I'm not the first one to complain about the highway direction in Brittan? I saw a couple copy shops, tiny little places, wedged in in a few places, but no, I didn't go into any. Never saw a phone book you could look up a printer in. Really didn't have time to look into it. Good Pubs. The Lygon Arms in Chipping Camden was great. The Three Horseshoes just outside of Durham was great, they actually gave us more food than we could eat. In both we were the only tourists there, lots of locals who all knew each other. We met up with a relative in Cheshire and lunched at a pub they suggested, The Custom House on Watergate St, it was good. I should have labeled all this [OFF] I suppose, but really, is was good to get away from all this. Vacation. . . what a concept. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From printer at ptialaska.net Fri Jul 18 12:09:56 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Fri Jul 18 12:10:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] layoff; when is the right time? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080718103503.033d5738@bucksdigital.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080718103503.033d5738@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: On Jul 18, 2008, at 6:42 AM, Bob Herion wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > We will be making a cutback on our second shift. > There is an employee who is just about to go on vacation with his > family. > We intend to pay for all accrued vacation and an additional 2 weeks > salary. > Do we tell him before his vacation or on the return? > Telling him before will surely ruin his vacation spirit, yet by > waiting he may be doing some spending he might otherwise not have, > if told. REPLY: Wow, what a dilemma. If you were in his spot, when would you rather be told? I think before he goes and tell him asap. Yes it will damper his vacation, but it will keep him from spending money he does not have. Also he can use some of the time to job seek, and it will give him a jump on unemployment benefits. I would tell him now. _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri Jul 18 12:10:54 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri Jul 18 12:11:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm back Message-ID: In a message dated 7/18/2008 11:46:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sos@olympus.net writes: I should have labeled all this [OFF] I suppose, but really, is was good to get away from all this. Vacation. . . what a concept. Three weeks touring all of Great Britain... this from the same guy who claims Port Townsend is so small that there is no printing business to be had, and complains about not being able to find employees, and who complains about cheap customers.... is this the same guy who just spent threeeeeee weeks paying $6 for a beer and $18 for fish & chips? Are we supposed to feel sorry for him in the future? Nooooo way! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From peter at keystonepress.com Fri Jul 18 12:49:56 2008 From: peter at keystonepress.com (Peter Church) Date: Fri Jul 18 12:52:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] What are you using for variable data on color digital press? Message-ID: I have installed our Canon CV7000 color digital press and we are now looking at variable data software. I want to use it for putting name and address on postcards and letters as I image them. I want to put the variable text on the front of a postcard. Eventually I might like to put a variable graphic on a piece. I understand that there is a plug in for InDesign that we could use. There is something form "Direct Smile" that can do it. There is XMPie on the higher end. Anyone have any thoughts? Thanks, Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 From craig at newhavenprint.com Fri Jul 18 13:16:50 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Fri Jul 18 13:16:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] What are you using for variable data on color digital press? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4880D002.7010002@newhavenprint.com> Peter Church wrote: > I understand that there is a plug in for InDesign that we could use. There > is something form "Direct Smile" that can do it. There is XMPie on the > higher end. Hello Peter, Yes, DirectSmile (www.directsmile.de), or XMPie (www.xmpie.com) can do this, but for simple text and/or image variable data, Printable's Fusion Pro Desktop is the easiest and fastest to use - also the cheapest. DirectSmile is a stand alone application, but it syncronizes with InDesign. They're both running at the same time. FusionPro works with PDF files. If you decide to go with DirectSmile, give me a call. We have it and it's amazing (although the learning curve is steep). I can help you with knowing what to order and what to ask for. Good Luck, -- Craig Dellinger President New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, Indiana USA Phone: 260.493.3844 Fax: 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Fri Jul 18 13:28:23 2008 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Fri Jul 18 13:28:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] What are you using for variable data on color digitalpress? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005e01c8e8fb$aee35af0$5a01a8c0@fileserver> We have had very good success with software called Design Merge from Meadows Publishing based in Schaumburg, IL but the software depends upon your needs. You can very easily over or under buy but like every thing else buy software that will enable you to grow your business. We needed more robust software to be able to handle high end variable graphics as well as type and Design Merge fit us well but it may not be for everyone. Design Merge is a plug in for In Design or Quark and it comes in either Mac or PC versions. Go to www.meadowsps.com for a free demo. Tech support is very good as well. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Peter Church Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:50 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] What are you using for variable data on color digitalpress? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have installed our Canon CV7000 color digital press and we are now looking at variable data software. I want to use it for putting name and address on postcards and letters as I image them. I want to put the variable text on the front of a postcard. Eventually I might like to put a variable graphic on a piece. I understand that there is a plug in for InDesign that we could use. There is something form "Direct Smile" that can do it. There is XMPie on the higher end. Anyone have any thoughts? Thanks, Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3280 (20080718) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Fri Jul 18 13:42:26 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Fri Jul 18 13:42:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] layoff; when is the right time? In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080718103503.033d5738@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: On Jul 18, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Charles A. Lincoln wrote: > I would tell him now. Would you lay someone off on Xmas eve? or the Monday after Xmas? Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." From jeff at hprinting.biz Fri Jul 18 13:51:11 2008 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Fri Jul 18 13:51:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] layoff; when is the right time? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080718103503.033d5738@bucksdigital.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080718103503.033d5738@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <20080718175107.5982.22971@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 10:42 AM 7/18/2008, you wrote: >We will be making a cutback on our second shift. >There is an employee who is just about to go on vacation with his family. >We intend to pay for all accrued vacation and an additional 2 weeks salary. >Do we tell him before his vacation or on the return? >Telling him before will surely ruin his vacation >spirit, yet by waiting he may be doing some >spending he might otherwise not have, if told. >Thoughts? Unless it was the difference in knowing that you will be forced out of business and closing your doors in the next month, I would wait till he has been back from vacation a month. If he has had his vacation scheduled for a more than a couple of weeks I would think it is poor judgement to can him just before or after his vacation. If you needed to cutback you should have planned better and let him go a month ago. I don't know the whole situation, but it sounds like bad planning on your part, but don't take it out on the employee. If there is any way to see through it and not go bankrupt, I would wait a month even if he isn't earning his keep because of low sales. I think you risk having other employees think you are a heartless employer. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From soneal at conestogadpi.com Fri Jul 18 13:55:51 2008 From: soneal at conestogadpi.com (Shawn O'Neal) Date: Fri Jul 18 13:56:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] What are you using for variable data on colordigitalpress? In-Reply-To: <005e01c8e8fb$aee35af0$5a01a8c0@fileserver> Message-ID: <000d01c8e8ff$84c310e0$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> We are running FusionPro and it has worked very well. More importantly have you looked at the past thread about pricing this valuable service? That is especially important if you are dropping 5k+ for Direct Smile. Don't forget PURLS as well. Shawn O'Neal Conestoga dpi 246 N Lincoln Ave Lebanon PA 17046 717-389-0350 www.conestogadpi.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ed Pierce Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:28 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] What are you using for variable data on colordigitalpress? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have had very good success with software called Design Merge from Meadows Publishing based in Schaumburg, IL but the software depends upon your needs. You can very easily over or under buy but like every thing else buy software that will enable you to grow your business. We needed more robust software to be able to handle high end variable graphics as well as type and Design Merge fit us well but it may not be for everyone. Design Merge is a plug in for In Design or Quark and it comes in either Mac or PC versions. Go to www.meadowsps.com for a free demo. Tech support is very good as well. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Peter Church Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:50 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] What are you using for variable data on color digitalpress? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have installed our Canon CV7000 color digital press and we are now looking at variable data software. I want to use it for putting name and address on postcards and letters as I image them. I want to put the variable text on the front of a postcard. Eventually I might like to put a variable graphic on a piece. I understand that there is a plug in for InDesign that we could use. There is something form "Direct Smile" that can do it. There is XMPie on the higher end. Anyone have any thoughts? Thanks, Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3280 (20080718) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From scott at usacolor.com Fri Jul 18 13:58:51 2008 From: scott at usacolor.com (scott) Date: Fri Jul 18 13:59:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] layoff; when is the right time? In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080718103503.033d5738@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <4880D9DB.50105@usacolor.com> I would tell him now. Scott Balsiger, President USA Color Printing Inc. www.usacolor.com 791 Mahnomen Dr. Bemidji, MN 56601 800-759-9126 218-759-9126 218-759-2883(fax) 218-556-5505(cell) Charles A. Lincoln wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Jul 18, 2008, at 6:42 AM, Bob Herion wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> We will be making a cutback on our second shift. >> There is an employee who is just about to go on vacation with his >> family. >> We intend to pay for all accrued vacation and an additional 2 weeks >> salary. >> Do we tell him before his vacation or on the return? >> Telling him before will surely ruin his vacation spirit, yet by >> waiting he may be doing some spending he might otherwise not have, if >> told. > > > > REPLY: > Wow, what a dilemma. If you were in his spot, when would you rather be > told? I think before he goes and tell him asap. Yes it will damper his > vacation, but it will keep him from spending money he does not have. > Also he can use some of the time to job seek, and it will give him a > jump on unemployment benefits. I would tell him now. > > > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From scott at usacolor.com Fri Jul 18 14:03:06 2008 From: scott at usacolor.com (scott) Date: Fri Jul 18 14:03:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] layoff; when is the right time? In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080718103503.033d5738@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <4880DADA.3030602@usacolor.com> Christmas eve, that way he can return the gifts he bought for his kids before they are opened! Scott Balsiger, President USA Color Printing Inc. www.usacolor.com 791 Mahnomen Dr. Bemidji, MN 56601 800-759-9126 218-759-9126 218-759-2883(fax) 218-556-5505(cell) Loren Maurina wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > On Jul 18, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Charles A. Lincoln wrote: > >> I would tell him now. > > Would you lay someone off on Xmas eve? > or the Monday after Xmas? > > > Loren Maurina > President > L & L Printing, Inc. > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren > > ph (586) 263-0060 > fx (586) 263-4895 > > Loren@InkOnPaper.biz > > "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From Susan at cdandp.net Fri Jul 18 14:12:01 2008 From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton) Date: Fri Jul 18 14:14:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unusual Job - Is Anyone Interested Message-ID: <024701c8e901$c6998c90$8302a8c0@Robbin> Dear Printowner Friends, I have a job that we have done in-house in the past, but I'm thinking there might be someone out there with better equipment for this type of work. Here goes: 525 of a 3 1/2" x 5" Book (7" x 5" open) Inside pages - 96 pages (24 sigs) 60 lb. white offset Cover - 3/1 (we have done this digitally on Hammermill Color Copy Cover in the past) laminated with 1/8" to 1/4" lip over cover edge Whole job is then saddle-stitched so that the inside pages line up with the cover (inside the laminate lip). In the past, we have done everything except the laminating in-house. Would be interested in either subbing out the whole job (.pdfs supplied) or printing here and subbing out entire bindery part. If anyone is interested, please contact me personally with price quote. I have the files in-house now, but this needs to be in the customer's hands no later than August 13. Thanks in advance! Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, VA 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net From kathy at mpcny.com Fri Jul 18 14:17:53 2008 From: kathy at mpcny.com (Kathy Henry) Date: Fri Jul 18 14:18:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] What are you using for variable data on color digital press? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007d01c8e902$98523570$c8f6a050$@com> Right now I am doing a webinar from AccuZip showing exactly what you want to do, amazing power for variable data on color digital. We were using InDesign, but never again. Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower." Steve Jobs 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Peter Church Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 12:50 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] What are you using for variable data on color digital press? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have installed our Canon CV7000 color digital press and we are now looking at variable data software. I want to use it for putting name and address on postcards and letters as I image them. I want to put the variable text on the front of a postcard. Eventually I might like to put a variable graphic on a piece. I understand that there is a plug in for InDesign that we could use. There is something form "Direct Smile" that can do it. There is XMPie on the higher end. Anyone have any thoughts? Thanks, Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.1/1560 - Release Date: 7/18/2008 6:47 AM From copythatnyc at aol.com Fri Jul 18 14:36:45 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Fri Jul 18 14:37:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Price check Message-ID: <8CAB71C5DC3B542-1484-1029@WEBMAIL-MB14.sysops.aol.com> 2500 reg.white #10 env's in reflex blue 5000 same Thanks in advance Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com From jodib at blackfoot.net Fri Jul 18 14:43:05 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Fri Jul 18 14:43:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Price check References: <8CAB71C5DC3B542-1484-1029@WEBMAIL-MB14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <00d501c8e906$1db6bd50$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Tommy: with delivery to the customer 2,500 $226.14 and 5,000 $397.76 Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Melendez" To: Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 12:36 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Price check > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > 2500 reg.white #10 env's in reflex blue > 5000 same > > Thanks in advance > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Jul 18 14:44:01 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Jul 18 14:45:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] layoff; when is the right time? In-Reply-To: <20080718175107.5982.22971@hm-pop1.solinus.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080718103503.033d5738@bucksdigital.com> <20080718175107.5982.22971@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: <200807181845.m6IIjEOG022106@i2bnetworks.com> I would agree. Crappy management skills Bob that you couldn't plan this a little better. You must have known this was a problem, now your procrastination is going to cause him and his family way more trauma then needed. I'd keep him on for at least a month after you give him the bad news....after he gets back from his vacation. The least you can do is not to screw that up for him as well. I'm stunned managing a company your size, that you couldn't handle this better. If you must close down your second shift, maybe you can find somewhere for him on the first shift through the duration. Maybe Bill Grief could chime in here with a suggestion... S. At 10:51 AM 7/18/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >At 10:42 AM 7/18/2008, you wrote: >>We will be making a cutback on our second shift. >>There is an employee who is just about to go on vacation with his family. >>We intend to pay for all accrued vacation and an additional 2 weeks salary. >>Do we tell him before his vacation or on the return? >>Telling him before will surely ruin his >>vacation spirit, yet by waiting he may be doing >>some spending he might otherwise not have, if told. >>Thoughts? > > >Unless it was the difference in knowing that you >will be forced out of business and closing your >doors in the next month, I would wait till he >has been back from vacation a month. If he has >had his vacation scheduled for a more than a >couple of weeks I would think it is poor >judgement to can him just before or after his >vacation. If you needed to cutback you should >have planned better and let him go a month ago. >I don't know the whole situation, but it sounds >like bad planning on your part, but don't take >it out on the employee. If there is any way to >see through it and not go bankrupt, I would wait >a month even if he isn't earning his keep >because of low sales. I think you risk having >other employees think you are a heartless employer. > >Jeff > >Haines Printing Co. >10575 W. Main Rd. >North East, PA 16428 >(814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 >email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3280 (20080718) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From char at themasterspress.com Fri Jul 18 14:55:06 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Fri Jul 18 14:55:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] layoff; when is the right time? In-Reply-To: <20080718175107.5982.22971@hm-pop1.solinus.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080718103503.033d5738@bucksdigital.com> <20080718175107.5982.22971@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: I agree whole heartily with Jeff. Doesn't sound like you are letting him go due to anything he has done. What if you wanted him back. This would be devastating to my employees overall to see this approach either way, before or after. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Haines Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 12:51 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] layoff; when is the right time? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** At 10:42 AM 7/18/2008, you wrote: >We will be making a cutback on our second shift. >There is an employee who is just about to go on vacation with his family. >We intend to pay for all accrued vacation and an additional 2 weeks salary. >Do we tell him before his vacation or on the return? >Telling him before will surely ruin his vacation >spirit, yet by waiting he may be doing some >spending he might otherwise not have, if told. >Thoughts? Unless it was the difference in knowing that you will be forced out of business and closing your doors in the next month, I would wait till he has been back from vacation a month. If he has had his vacation scheduled for a more than a couple of weeks I would think it is poor judgement to can him just before or after his vacation. If you needed to cutback you should have planned better and let him go a month ago. I don't know the whole situation, but it sounds like bad planning on your part, but don't take it out on the employee. If there is any way to see through it and not go bankrupt, I would wait a month even if he isn't earning his keep because of low sales. I think you risk having other employees think you are a heartless employer. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 . Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz . www.hprinting.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3280 (20080718) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3280 (20080718) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From joy at libertyprintgreen.com Fri Jul 18 15:53:42 2008 From: joy at libertyprintgreen.com (Joy Downing) Date: Fri Jul 18 14:56:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] layoff; when is the right time? In-Reply-To: <20080718175107.5982.22971@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: <000d01c8e90f$fb8444f0$1401a8c0@JOY2> I don't think that is fair. We always have someone going on vacation, so there is no "good time". These decisions are never easy, I don't know Bob, but I'm sure he is doing what is in the best interest of his company. Joy Downing President Liberty 3021 Nashville Road Bowling Green, KY 42101 270-782-7829 LibertyPrintGreen.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Haines Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:51 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] layoff; when is the right time? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** At 10:42 AM 7/18/2008, you wrote: >We will be making a cutback on our second shift. >There is an employee who is just about to go on vacation with his family. >We intend to pay for all accrued vacation and an additional 2 weeks salary. >Do we tell him before his vacation or on the return? >Telling him before will surely ruin his vacation spirit, yet by waiting >he may be doing some spending he might otherwise not have, if told. >Thoughts? Unless it was the difference in knowing that you will be forced out of business and closing your doors in the next month, I would wait till he has been back from vacation a month. If he has had his vacation scheduled for a more than a couple of weeks I would think it is poor judgement to can him just before or after his vacation. If you needed to cutback you should have planned better and let him go a month ago. I don't know the whole situation, but it sounds like bad planning on your part, but don't take it out on the employee. If there is any way to see through it and not go bankrupt, I would wait a month even if he isn't earning his keep because of low sales. I think you risk having other employees think you are a heartless employer. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 . Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz . www.hprinting.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kellycrom at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 15:00:48 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Fri Jul 18 15:00:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Price check In-Reply-To: <8CAB71C5DC3B542-1484-1029@WEBMAIL-MB14.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAB71C5DC3B542-1484-1029@WEBMAIL-MB14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001801c8e908$98076210$6d01a8c0@KELLY> 2500 - $243 5000 - $352 Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:37 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Price check > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > 2500 reg.white #10 env's in reflex blue > 5000 same > > Thanks in advance > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From falconprinting at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 15:14:16 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Fri Jul 18 15:14:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] layoff; when is the right time? In-Reply-To: <200807181845.m6IIjEOG022106@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: Geez, you guys are MEAN. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Scott Cappel > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:44:01 -0700 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] layoff; when is the right time? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > I would agree. > > Crappy management skills Bob that you couldn't plan this a little better. > > You must have known this was a problem, now your > procrastination is going to cause him and his > family way more trauma then needed. > > I'd keep him on for at least a month after you > give him the bad news....after he gets back from his vacation. > > The least you can do is not to screw that up for him as well. > > I'm stunned managing a company your size, that > you couldn't handle this better. > > If you must close down your second shift, maybe > you can find somewhere for him on the first shift through the duration. > > Maybe Bill Grief could chime in here with a suggestion... > > S. > > > > At 10:51 AM 7/18/2008, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> At 10:42 AM 7/18/2008, you wrote: >>> We will be making a cutback on our second shift. >>> There is an employee who is just about to go on vacation with his family. >>> We intend to pay for all accrued vacation and an additional 2 weeks salary. >>> Do we tell him before his vacation or on the return? >>> Telling him before will surely ruin his >>> vacation spirit, yet by waiting he may be doing >>> some spending he might otherwise not have, if told. >>> Thoughts? >> >> >> Unless it was the difference in knowing that you >> will be forced out of business and closing your >> doors in the next month, I would wait till he >> has been back from vacation a month. If he has >> had his vacation scheduled for a more than a >> couple of weeks I would think it is poor >> judgement to can him just before or after his >> vacation. If you needed to cutback you should >> have planned better and let him go a month ago. >> I don't know the whole situation, but it sounds >> like bad planning on your part, but don't take >> it out on the employee. If there is any way to >> see through it and not go bankrupt, I would wait >> a month even if he isn't earning his keep >> because of low sales. I think you risk having >> other employees think you are a heartless employer. >> >> Jeff >> >> Haines Printing Co. >> 10575 W. Main Rd. >> North East, PA 16428 >> (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 >> email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3280 (20080718) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri Jul 18 15:18:36 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri Jul 18 15:18:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] layoff; when is the right time? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/18/2008 2:46:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: I would agree. Crappy management skills Bob that you couldn't plan this a little better. You must have known this was a problem, now your procrastination is going to cause him and his family way more trauma then needed. I disagree with Scott. First, for many owners the single hardest task in running your own business is hiring and terminating employees, especially the good ones! Bob may be somewhat at fault here and may have procrastinated, but that certainly does equate to crappy management skills, but rather a crappy management decision - there is a big difference. One bad decision does not equate to bad management, not by a long shot! I'm not sure what or how procrastination makes the trauma worse than it will ultimately be. If Bob knew a month ago that this was likely, but not a sure thing, are you suggesting that he should have come right out and discussed this with the employee - "Steve, not sure what I am going to do, but if things continue as slow as they are I might have to let you go in the next month or so?" I'm sorry, but I think you do the best you can. Terminating a good employee is traumatic regardless of when it occurs, and it is traumatic for everyone, the owner and the employee. Maybe Bob was hoping against hope that things would turn around and that the decision would not have to be made. Where I would agree with others is that once you have made that difficult decision, that you ought to inform the employee immediately, if for no other reason than to give them a head's up on filing for unemployment. The employee also ought to know as early as possible because the smartest thing under these terrible circumstances might be for the employee to cancel the vacation and start looking for another job. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From bherion at bucksdigital.com Fri Jul 18 15:18:59 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Fri Jul 18 15:19:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] The layoff dilemna Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080718150526.03421f10@bucksdigital.com> I appreciate the many opinions I have received both on and off-list. There is one school of thought that thinks the sooner the better so as to afford this person time and forethought to spending and planning. Another road of thought leads us down a path of morale. It is a difficult choice to make. I realize I did not give any other parameters of circumstance and that may have skewed opinions. Our cutback involves about 40% of the second shift and has come along with 2 months of discussion. This person submitted their request for vacation 20 days ago. Unfortunately, the two circumstances didn't become noticed until final decisions were made yesterday. That information won't be made public, so I suppose the morale issue is still a very real and serious opinion to consider. Laying off people is harder than terminating for cause - that's for sure. I wish it weren't necessary, but there is a bigger obligation to everyone else. Thanks, everyone. Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From jodib at blackfoot.net Fri Jul 18 15:36:57 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Fri Jul 18 15:37:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] layoff; when is the right time? References: Message-ID: <00f601c8e90d$a446a900$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Bob, It appears you (from your first post) are going to give him his accrued vacation + 2 weeks, so I think you should have a serious sit down talk with him, if, as a few others suggested, keeping him on for another month (after his return from vacation) just isn't going to cut it. If your work has obviously slowed down, your staff has to see that and know something is up. We've seen a much slower July and I have not had my part-timer coming in at all the last two weeks (she usually works 25 hours a week and handles A/R, filing and backs up counter and phones during the lunch hours) but with the rest of the staff slow, I have others (my regular full time employees) that can do what she was doing. The pressure is on me to crank the typesetting jobs out as quickly as I can so everyone else has work!!! (no more afternoon naps for me!) Although we usually see a slowing time in June or July, this July has been REALLY slow. I can only offer my sympathy as it was not easy for us to let our other gal know that for the month of July, we just didn't need her, but...... Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] layoff; when is the right time? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 7/18/2008 2:46:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: > > I would agree. > > Crappy management skills Bob that you couldn't plan this a little better. > > You must have known this was a problem, now your > procrastination is going to cause him and his > family way more trauma then needed. > > > > > > I disagree with Scott. First, for many owners the single hardest task in > running your own business is hiring and terminating employees, especially > the > good ones! Bob may be somewhat at fault here and may have procrastinated, > but > that certainly does equate to crappy management skills, but rather a > crappy > management decision - there is a big difference. One bad decision does not > equate to bad management, not by a long shot! > > I'm not sure what or how procrastination makes the trauma worse than it > will > ultimately be. If Bob knew a month ago that this was likely, but not a > sure > thing, are you suggesting that he should have come right out and discussed > this with the employee - "Steve, not sure what I am going to do, but if > things > continue as slow as they are I might have to let you go in the next month > or > so?" > > I'm sorry, but I think you do the best you can. Terminating a good > employee > is traumatic regardless of when it occurs, and it is traumatic for > everyone, > the owner and the employee. Maybe Bob was hoping against hope that things > would turn around and that the decision would not have to be made. > > Where I would agree with others is that once you have made that difficult > decision, that you ought to inform the employee immediately, if for no > other > reason than to give them a head's up on filing for unemployment. The > employee > also ought to know as early as possible because the smartest thing under > these > terrible circumstances might be for the employee to cancel the vacation > and > start looking for another job. > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jeff at hprinting.biz Fri Jul 18 15:38:23 2008 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Fri Jul 18 15:38:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] The layoff dilemna In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080718150526.03421f10@bucksdigital.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080718150526.03421f10@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <20080718193819.394.8228@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 03:18 PM 7/18/2008, you wrote: >Our cutback involves about 40% of the second >shift and has come along with 2 months of discussion. From the original email I thought he might be the only person. If a number of employees are let go know and he is held for another month that may not look the best situation either. I'm feel for you as you face the stress of the decision and am glad I'm not in your shoes. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Jul 18 16:13:16 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Jul 18 16:14:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] The layoff dilemna In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080718150526.03421f10@bucksdigital.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080718150526.03421f10@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <200807182014.m6IKETZf041559@i2bnetworks.com> I think I was wrong in my previous comment Bob, I apologize for my harsh words...I should have known better, and should have anticipated there was more to the story. This is the hardest part of the business cycle when it comes to employees. Tough decisions that are never easy must be made. But you are right, to not make them makes things worse. I hope you find a good and decent solution. S. At 12:18 PM 7/18/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I appreciate the many opinions I have received both on and off-list. >There is one school of thought that thinks the sooner the better so >as to afford this person time and forethought to spending and planning. >Another road of thought leads us down a path of morale. >It is a difficult choice to make. > >I realize I did not give any other parameters of circumstance and >that may have skewed opinions. >Our cutback involves about 40% of the second shift and has come >along with 2 months of discussion. >This person submitted their request for vacation 20 days ago. >Unfortunately, the two circumstances didn't become noticed until >final decisions were made yesterday. > >That information won't be made public, so I suppose the morale issue >is still a very real and serious opinion to consider. >Laying off people is harder than terminating for cause - that's for sure. >I wish it weren't necessary, but there is a bigger obligation to >everyone else. > >Thanks, everyone. > > >Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! >We use Recycled and Certified Papers >Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 >90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 >www.bucksdigital.com > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3280 (20080718) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Fri Jul 18 16:24:46 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Fri Jul 18 16:24:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] layoff; when is the right time? In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080718103503.033d5738@bucksdigital.com> <20080718175107.5982.22971@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: <5246E11F-8175-42FF-87BF-AB0F8B5B7B94@inkonpaper.biz> On Jul 18, 2008, at 2:55 PM, Charlene Sims wrote: > Doesn't sound like you are letting him go > due to anything he has done. Personal experience I had to terminate a long time employee last year we made the decision to let him go two months before he got married However, we bit the bullet and didn't tell him him till a month after the wedding and then gave him four week severance That sixteen weeks payroll cost me a bunch but I sleep better! Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." From afok at minutemanpress.com Fri Jul 18 16:33:38 2008 From: afok at minutemanpress.com (Anna Fok) Date: Fri Jul 18 16:33:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Price check In-Reply-To: <8CAB71C5DC3B542-1484-1029@WEBMAIL-MB14.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAB71C5DC3B542-1484-1029@WEBMAIL-MB14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4880FE22.7010904@minutemanpress.com> 2500 - $236 5000 - $405 Anna Fok Minuteman Press - Santa Clara afok@minutemanpress.com www.sc.minutemanpress.com 1274 Benton Street Santa Clara, Ca 95050 ph: 408 260 0600 fax: 408 260 0655 Tommy Melendez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > 2500 reg.white #10 env's in reflex blue > 5000 same > > Thanks in advance > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > From bill at mauiprintworks.com Fri Jul 18 16:38:35 2008 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Fri Jul 18 16:38:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] custom printed tape In-Reply-To: <200807171405.m6HE5ou6078686@pro35.abac.com> References: <200807171405.m6HE5ou6078686@pro35.abac.com> Message-ID: <26006AC6-3438-4988-94FA-4F14E12E7A1B@mauiprintworks.com> I've found a good reliable source in Glendale California. T&W Converters, talk to Jose, 818-241-1707, fax 818-241-1473 www.twtape.com email twtape@aol.com Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793 bill@mauiprintworks.com 808-242-6634 On Jul 17, 2008, at 4:05 AM, Dick Latson wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a customer that uses a custom printed paper tape 1/2 " wide > on a 3" core. It is a yellow tape with the word 'used' printed > repeatedly on it. They use a lot of this and have asked me to find > a source. I have done a web search and it has produced some > possibilities but I wanted to check the list to see if anyone has a > proven source. Thanks in advance for any responses. > > -Dick > > Dick Latson > Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. > 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 > Commerce, Texas 75428 > (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 > email: owner@latsons.com > www.latsons.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 16:48:48 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri Jul 18 16:49:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Price check In-Reply-To: <8CAB71C5DC3B542-1484-1029@WEBMAIL-MB14.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAB71C5DC3B542-1484-1029@WEBMAIL-MB14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0807181348p3aa3f6ar92554387df5d93c6@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Tommy Melendez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > 2500 reg.white #10 env's in reflex blue > 5000 same > > 2500: $251 5000: $404 Includes file preflight (or dearchiving history job). > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon From danf at mmsny.com Fri Jul 18 16:53:33 2008 From: danf at mmsny.com (Daniel Flatt) Date: Fri Jul 18 16:54:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Price check In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0807181348p3aa3f6ar92554387df5d93c6@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CAB71C5DC3B542-1484-1029@WEBMAIL-MB14.sysops.aol.com> <98f5b19a0807181348p3aa3f6ar92554387df5d93c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7AA4E499F75C454D864713FEF2958D331851B8@BE09.exg4.exghost.com> > 2500 reg.white #10 env's in reflex blue 5000 same > > 2500: $293 5000: $401 Dan Flatt owner Multi Media Services BUSINESS PRINTERS 11136-40 River Road Corning, NY 14830 main 607-936-3186 CELL 607-331-7217 PLEASE CALL MY CELL FIRST! Fax 877-684-3043 www.mmsny.com Isn't it time that you had a business printer printing for your business? Other contacts: Rick Bartholomew president -Manufacturing 607-769-8111 Belinda Wilcox vp-Finance & CSR's 607-936-3186 Rose Flatt VP - Creative 607-331-1555 Dick Shelford Sunset Operations 607-331-5775 Patty Carlson Strategic accounts 607-331-5314 Jenna Nailer IR operations liaison 607-331-5314 Dave Satterly IR operations 570-882-0485 Ralph Begeal CSR 607-331-5572 Steve Mullen CSR / paper 607-936-3186 Margaret Puffer Major accounts / mailing 607-936-318 Emily Colletta creative 607-331-7068 Judy Pruyne creative 607-331-5963 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 4:49 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Price check ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Tommy Melendez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > 2500 reg.white #10 env's in reflex blue 5000 same > > 2500: $251 5000: $404 Includes file preflight (or dearchiving history job). > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or > condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Fri Jul 18 17:09:45 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Fri Jul 18 17:10:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Word to Excel Message-ID: Customer brought in 8 MS Word files that I need to bring into Accuzip to process for mailing. I had done this in the past, with help from Jace, but those had the addresses as individual line items and these are in the format of 30 up labels. I've tried every possibility I could find to make this work (obviously I missed at least one though) and can't get this to work. I usually bring any mail list into Excel and then into Accuzip. Any ideas? Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From rstor at copycats.com Fri Jul 18 17:16:53 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Fri Jul 18 17:17:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Word to Excel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48810845.1050908@copycats.com> Did you try to convert Table to Text first? Mark Lake wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Customer brought in 8 MS Word files that I need to bring into Accuzip to > process for mailing. I had done this in the past, with help from Jace, but > those had the addresses as individual line items and these are in the format > of 30 up labels. I've tried every possibility I could find to make this work > (obviously I missed at least one though) and can't get this to work. I > usually bring any mail list into Excel and then into Accuzip. Any ideas? > > Mark Lake > PIP Printing > 368 Jefferson Street > Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 > 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax > www.pipsturgeonbay.com > Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com > > To send a file to us, please use the link below > http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) > Database version: 5.09520 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From kk1127 at mindspring.com Fri Jul 18 17:21:41 2008 From: kk1127 at mindspring.com (John Hughes) Date: Fri Jul 18 17:21:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Word to Excel References: Message-ID: <033c01c8e91c$46b9ffd0$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Have you called Accuzip? John Hughes Kwik Kopy Printing kk1127@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Lake" To: "PrintOwners" Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 5:09 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Word to Excel > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Customer brought in 8 MS Word files that I need to bring into Accuzip to > process for mailing. I had done this in the past, with help from Jace, but > those had the addresses as individual line items and these are in the > format > of 30 up labels. I've tried every possibility I could find to make this > work > (obviously I missed at least one though) and can't get this to work. I > usually bring any mail list into Excel and then into Accuzip. Any ideas? > > Mark Lake > PIP Printing > 368 Jefferson Street > Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 > 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax > www.pipsturgeonbay.com > Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com > > To send a file to us, please use the link below > http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) > Database version: 5.09520 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From gamble at choiceonemail.com Fri Jul 18 17:26:51 2008 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Fri Jul 18 17:26:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Word to Excel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000c01c8e91c$fe63d250$0201a8c0@RICK> Mark, I have done this at least 100 times and no 2 times work the same I'd try converting table to text that's a good start if that fails dump the list into excel and save the first 3-4 columns or whatever it takes to catch the full address then the next set and so on till you have a file that now has 3 sub files and import each sub file as a list. Lots of work but what the heck that's what god made Saturday and Sunday for..to clean up the impossible jobs.. HTH Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lake Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 5:10 PM To: PrintOwners Subject: [PrintOwners] Word to Excel ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Customer brought in 8 MS Word files that I need to bring into Accuzip to process for mailing. I had done this in the past, with help from Jace, but those had the addresses as individual line items and these are in the format of 30 up labels. I've tried every possibility I could find to make this work (obviously I missed at least one though) and can't get this to work. I usually bring any mail list into Excel and then into Accuzip. Any ideas? Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Fri Jul 18 17:35:12 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Fri Jul 18 17:36:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help converting 3 files from Word to Excel In-Reply-To: <20080718211056.98281FE8876@rb.enter.net> References: <20080718211056.98281FE8876@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <94A4F6BE-D26A-484D-81C1-0542CF669DB8@sheergraphics.com> I can only forward notes I took last year. Good luck - we've never had to do this. On 12/21/07 5:21 PM, "Andrew LeWinter" wrote: The problem is: Name1 Name2 Name3 Address1 Address2 Address3 City1 State1 Zip1 City2 State2 Zip2 City3 State3 Zip3 Name4 Name5 Address4 Address5 City4 State4 Zip4 City5 State5 Zip5 etc...etc... The solution is: The file is a typical list of names and addresses in Word. Like this Joe Smith 1224 South Street Miami Florida 12234 Jane Doe 4221 North Street North Pole Alaska 99999 Maggy Thatcher 22 Downing Street Washington DC 23434 And so on. We want to get this into Excel with one line per person, with the name in column A, the street address in column B and the city etc in column C . . 1. Save word doc as text only file. That will reduce the 3 columns to just one column. 2. Eliminate all commas that may exist (usually in the address line between the main address and a suite number) 2. Use replace function and replace double paragraph with /// 3. Replace single paragraph with tab 4. Replace /// with paragraph 5. Replace tab with comma You now have a comma delimited file with each record on a horizontal line. If some lines wrap around, reduce your margins on left & right and reduce font size if necessary. The only glitch occurs when all the records do not have the same number of fields. For example, if some records have a company and some don't, the solution is to add a comma to show an empty field where the company would be (in the records without a company). Hope this helps - Usually the file will still need tweaking but it is now a file you can import into any database or mailing software. -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more On Jul 18, 2008, at 4:10 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > rom: "Mark Lake" > Date: July 18, 2008 4:09:45 PM CDT > To: "PrintOwners" > Subject: [PrintOwners] Word to Excel > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > > > Customer brought in 8 MS Word files that I need to bring into > Accuzip to > process for mailing. I had done this in the past, with help from > Jace, but > those had the addresses as individual line items and these are in > the format > of 30 up labels. I've tried every possibility I could find to make > this work > (obviously I missed at least one though) and can't get this to work. I > usually bring any mail list into Excel and then into Accuzip. Any > ideas? Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From priorityprinting at comcast.net Fri Jul 18 17:43:47 2008 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Fri Jul 18 17:43:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Price check Message-ID: <071820082143.9364.48810E93000B0A9E0000249422028887440902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> OUCH! We seem to be much lower than everyone else replying. 2500 $191.34 5000 $307.95 I realize Flint, Michigan is depression central for the United States but the last time I did a price check I was competitive with my local peers. However, perhaps that is why printers in my area are closing up all the time. Two closed in the last three weeks. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 810 487-1700 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Daniel Flatt" > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > 2500 reg.white #10 env's in reflex blue 5000 same > > > > 2500: $293 > 5000: $401 > > > Dan Flatt > owner > Multi Media Services BUSINESS PRINTERS > 11136-40 River Road > Corning, NY 14830 > main 607-936-3186 > CELL 607-331-7217 PLEASE CALL MY CELL FIRST! > Fax 877-684-3043 > www.mmsny.com > > Isn't it time that you had a business printer printing for your > business? > > Other contacts: > Rick Bartholomew president -Manufacturing 607-769-8111 > Belinda Wilcox vp-Finance & CSR's 607-936-3186 > Rose Flatt VP - Creative > 607-331-1555 > Dick Shelford Sunset Operations 607-331-5775 > Patty Carlson Strategic accounts 607-331-5314 > Jenna Nailer IR operations liaison 607-331-5314 > Dave Satterly IR operations > 570-882-0485 > Ralph Begeal CSR > 607-331-5572 > Steve Mullen CSR / paper > 607-936-3186 > Margaret Puffer Major accounts / mailing 607-936-318 > Emily Colletta creative > 607-331-7068 > Judy Pruyne creative > 607-331-5963 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 4:49 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Price check > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Tommy Melendez > wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > 2500 reg.white #10 env's in reflex blue 5000 same > > > > 2500: $251 > 5000: $404 > > Includes file preflight (or dearchiving history job). > > > > > > > -- > > Michael Vogel > > Sir Speedy Printing > > 9 Research Drive > > Milford, CT 06460 > > tel 203-877-1231 > > fax 203-878-2679 > > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or > > condemn but to weigh and consider. > > ~Lord Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From owner at latsons.com Fri Jul 18 17:48:15 2008 From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson) Date: Fri Jul 18 17:46:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Price check In-Reply-To: <8CAB71C5DC3B542-1484-1029@WEBMAIL-MB14.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAB71C5DC3B542-1484-1029@WEBMAIL-MB14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <200807182146.m6ILkEEm040307@pro35.abac.com> 2,500 = $222.90 5,000 = $385.22 At 01:36 PM 7/18/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >2500 reg.white #10 env's in reflex blue >5000 same > >Thanks in advance > > >Copy That, Inc. >"Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" >3515 E. Tremont Avenue >Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >718.892.1859 >718.892.2315 Fax >www.copythatnyc.com >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com From bill at rapidpressct.com Fri Jul 18 17:47:38 2008 From: bill at rapidpressct.com (Bill Fishman) Date: Fri Jul 18 17:48:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Price check In-Reply-To: <071820082143.9364.48810E93000B0A9E0000249422028887440902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <538038.28536.qm@web707.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 2500 - $231 5000 - $372 priorityprinting@comcast.net wrote: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** OUCH! We seem to be much lower than everyone else replying. 2500 $191.34 5000 $307.95 I realize Flint, Michigan is depression central for the United States but the last time I did a price check I was competitive with my local peers. However, perhaps that is why printers in my area are closing up all the time. Two closed in the last three weeks. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 810 487-1700 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Daniel Flatt" > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > 2500 reg.white #10 env's in reflex blue 5000 same > > > > 2500: $293 > 5000: $401 > > > Dan Flatt > owner > Multi Media Services BUSINESS PRINTERS > 11136-40 River Road > Corning, NY 14830 > main 607-936-3186 > CELL 607-331-7217 PLEASE CALL MY CELL FIRST! > Fax 877-684-3043 > www.mmsny.com > > Isn't it time that you had a business printer printing for your > business? > > Other contacts: > Rick Bartholomew president -Manufacturing 607-769-8111 > Belinda Wilcox vp-Finance & CSR's 607-936-3186 > Rose Flatt VP - Creative > 607-331-1555 > Dick Shelford Sunset Operations 607-331-5775 > Patty Carlson Strategic accounts 607-331-5314 > Jenna Nailer IR operations liaison 607-331-5314 > Dave Satterly IR operations > 570-882-0485 > Ralph Begeal CSR > 607-331-5572 > Steve Mullen CSR / paper > 607-936-3186 > Margaret Puffer Major accounts / mailing 607-936-318 > Emily Colletta creative > 607-331-7068 > Judy Pruyne creative > 607-331-5963 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 4:49 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Price check > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Tommy Melendez > wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > 2500 reg.white #10 env's in reflex blue 5000 same > > > > 2500: $251 > 5000: $404 > > Includes file preflight (or dearchiving history job). > > > > > > > -- > > Michael Vogel > > Sir Speedy Printing > > 9 Research Drive > > Milford, CT 06460 > > tel 203-877-1231 > > fax 203-878-2679 > > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or > > condemn but to weigh and consider. > > ~Lord Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Bill Fishman Rapid Press 555 Summer Street Stamford CT 06901 tel 203-348-8884 fax 203-348-3363 From oren66 at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 18 17:51:01 2008 From: oren66 at sbcglobal.net (Arie Teomi) Date: Fri Jul 18 17:51:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wholesale Web - Postcards Message-ID: <617220.43539.qm@web83414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I am looking for a source for 500,000 Postcards 2/2 (about 5.5 x 11 or 6 x 11 - don't have final details yet). Anybody knows someone close to Cleveland, OH. We can handle the mailing here but would like to get an idea how much to quote for Mailing. Thanks Arie Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 17:56:39 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri Jul 18 17:56:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Price check In-Reply-To: <071820082143.9364.48810E93000B0A9E0000249422028887440902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> References: <071820082143.9364.48810E93000B0A9E0000249422028887440902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0807181456j44a8b444ubb901836eb34ce1d@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 5:43 PM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > OUCH! We seem to be much lower than everyone else replying. > > > That's not an ouch; that's an profit opportunity! > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Fri Jul 18 18:03:41 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Fri Jul 18 18:04:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Word to Excel In-Reply-To: <000c01c8e91c$fe63d250$0201a8c0@RICK> References: <000c01c8e91c$fe63d250$0201a8c0@RICK> Message-ID: Got it. Missed the converting to text. After that, it all came back to me. Thanks a bunch. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Rick Bird Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 4:27 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Word to Excel ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Mark, I have done this at least 100 times and no 2 times work the same I'd try converting table to text that's a good start if that fails dump the list into excel and save the first 3-4 columns or whatever it takes to catch the full address then the next set and so on till you have a file that now has 3 sub files and import each sub file as a list. Lots of work but what the heck that's what god made Saturday and Sunday for..to clean up the impossible jobs.. HTH Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lake Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 5:10 PM To: PrintOwners Subject: [PrintOwners] Word to Excel ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Customer brought in 8 MS Word files that I need to bring into Accuzip to process for mailing. I had done this in the past, with help from Jace, but those had the addresses as individual line items and these are in the format of 30 up labels. I've tried every possibility I could find to make this work (obviously I missed at least one though) and can't get this to work. I usually bring any mail list into Excel and then into Accuzip. Any ideas? Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From bryan at printpartnersinc.com Fri Jul 18 18:06:21 2008 From: bryan at printpartnersinc.com (Bryan Hannon) Date: Fri Jul 18 18:06:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Price check In-Reply-To: <538038.28536.qm@web707.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <071820082143.9364.48810E93000B0A9E0000249422028887440902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> <538038.28536.qm@web707.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01f901c8e922$8399e540$8acdafc0$@com> What is all cost on raw material These prices are real high We are a wholesale printer and I realize I am in the south. I can sell 2500 for 117.01 Anyone need printing done contact me off list. THANKS BRYAN Printing Partners, Inc 610 Indeneer Drive Suite 1 Kernersville, NC 27284 336-996-2268 336-992-2258 fax bryan@printpartnersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bill Fishman Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 5:48 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] RE: Price check ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** 2500 - $231 5000 - $372 priorityprinting@comcast.net wrote: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** OUCH! We seem to be much lower than everyone else replying. 2500 $191.34 5000 $307.95 I realize Flint, Michigan is depression central for the United States but the last time I did a price check I was competitive with my local peers. However, perhaps that is why printers in my area are closing up all the time. Two closed in the last three weeks. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 810 487-1700 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Daniel Flatt" > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > 2500 reg.white #10 env's in reflex blue 5000 same > > > > 2500: $293 > 5000: $401 > > > Dan Flatt > owner > Multi Media Services BUSINESS PRINTERS > 11136-40 River Road > Corning, NY 14830 > main 607-936-3186 > CELL 607-331-7217 PLEASE CALL MY CELL FIRST! > Fax 877-684-3043 > www.mmsny.com > > Isn't it time that you had a business printer printing for your > business? > > Other contacts: > Rick Bartholomew president -Manufacturing 607-769-8111 > Belinda Wilcox vp-Finance & CSR's 607-936-3186 > Rose Flatt VP - Creative > 607-331-1555 > Dick Shelford Sunset Operations 607-331-5775 > Patty Carlson Strategic accounts 607-331-5314 > Jenna Nailer IR operations liaison 607-331-5314 > Dave Satterly IR operations > 570-882-0485 > Ralph Begeal CSR > 607-331-5572 > Steve Mullen CSR / paper > 607-936-3186 > Margaret Puffer Major accounts / mailing 607-936-318 > Emily Colletta creative > 607-331-7068 > Judy Pruyne creative > 607-331-5963 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 4:49 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Price check > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Tommy Melendez > wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > 2500 reg.white #10 env's in reflex blue 5000 same > > > > 2500: $251 > 5000: $404 > > Includes file preflight (or dearchiving history job). > > > > > > > -- > > Michael Vogel > > Sir Speedy Printing > > 9 Research Drive > > Milford, CT 06460 > > tel 203-877-1231 > > fax 203-878-2679 > > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or > > condemn but to weigh and consider. > > ~Lord Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Bill Fishman Rapid Press 555 Summer Street Stamford CT 06901 tel 203-348-8884 fax 203-348-3363 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From wayne at printingonline.com Fri Jul 18 18:21:07 2008 From: wayne at printingonline.com (Wayne Yada) Date: Fri Jul 18 18:21:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Double Messages In-Reply-To: References: <000c01c8e91c$fe63d250$0201a8c0@RICK> Message-ID: <004c01c8e924$92e9f600$a600a8c0@Wayne> For some time I've been receiving double messages from the PrintOwners list. I don't have this problem with any other email - only printowners. Does anyone else have this problem? After reviewing the header info on each of two of the same email, "List Mom" Bob doesn't have a clue either as to what the problem might be - particularly since they are identical, down to the ID numbers. Anyone have any thoughts or have the same problem? FYI, this is running on an xp pro op sys with Outlook 2003 Thanks. Wayne Yada, President Premier Color Graphics, Inc. 324 S. Santa Fe Ave. Visalia, CA 93292 559-625-8606 wayne@printingonline.com www.printingonline.com From copythatnyc at aol.com Fri Jul 18 18:27:06 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Fri Jul 18 18:27:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Price check In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0807181348p3aa3f6ar92554387df5d93c6@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CAB71C5DC3B542-1484-1029@WEBMAIL-MB14.sysops.aol.com> <98f5b19a0807181348p3aa3f6ar92554387df5d93c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CAB73C8BB0FBCF-1484-1FD2@WEBMAIL-MB14.sysops.aol.com> Thanks to all for replying. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Vogel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 4:48 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Price check ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Tommy Melendez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > 2500 reg.white #10 env's in reflex blue > 5000 same > > 2500: $251 5000: $404 Includes file preflight (or dearchiving history job). > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Fri Jul 18 18:37:07 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Fri Jul 18 18:37:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Double Messages In-Reply-To: <004c01c8e924$92e9f600$a600a8c0@Wayne> References: <000c01c8e91c$fe63d250$0201a8c0@RICK> <004c01c8e924$92e9f600$a600a8c0@Wayne> Message-ID: <00ea01c8e926$cf95a8e0$6501a8c0@coranew> Wayne, I was having this problem for a while, but after my cable company upgraded their equipment it stopped. I think they had too many people on the system and had to figure out how to get more power or something. JMT???? Class Act Printing and Foil 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 854-0321 Fax (Call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Wayne Yada Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 5:21 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Double Messages ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** For some time I've been receiving double messages from the PrintOwners list. I don't have this problem with any other email - only printowners. Does anyone else have this problem? After reviewing the header info on each of two of the same email, "List Mom" Bob doesn't have a clue either as to what the problem might be - particularly since they are identical, down to the ID numbers. Anyone have any thoughts or have the same problem? FYI, this is running on an xp pro op sys with Outlook 2003 Thanks. Wayne Yada, President Premier Color Graphics, Inc. 324 S. Santa Fe Ave. Visalia, CA 93292 559-625-8606 wayne@printingonline.com www.printingonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3281 (20080718) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From rstor at copycats.com Fri Jul 18 18:42:29 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Fri Jul 18 18:43:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Double Messages In-Reply-To: <00ea01c8e926$cf95a8e0$6501a8c0@coranew> References: <000c01c8e91c$fe63d250$0201a8c0@RICK> <004c01c8e924$92e9f600$a600a8c0@Wayne> <00ea01c8e926$cf95a8e0$6501a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <48811C55.7010809@copycats.com> Wayne, This can happen if you have a rule in your email program to copy emails from "x" sender to a particular folder, which is also the folder where you receive the printowner messages. Can't think of much else Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Cora wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Wayne, I was having this problem for a while, but after my cable company > upgraded their equipment it stopped. I think they had too many people on the > system and had to figure out how to get more power or something. JMT???? > > > Class Act Printing and Foil > 5801 W. Juno Street > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > (316) 522-0733 > (316) 854-0321 Fax (Call first) > cpurvine1@cox.net > Microsoft Service Provider > Member NAQP > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Wayne Yada > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 5:21 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] Double Messages > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > For some time I've been receiving double messages from the PrintOwners list. > I don't have this problem with any other email - only printowners. Does > anyone else have this problem? > > After reviewing the header info on each of two of the same email, "List Mom" > Bob doesn't have a clue either as to what the problem might be - > particularly since they are identical, down to the ID numbers. > > Anyone have any thoughts or have the same problem? > > FYI, this is running on an xp pro op sys with Outlook 2003 > > Thanks. > > Wayne Yada, President > Premier Color Graphics, Inc. > 324 S. Santa Fe Ave. > Visalia, CA 93292 > 559-625-8606 > > wayne@printingonline.com > www.printingonline.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3281 (20080718) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From ep101 at technaprint.com Fri Jul 18 19:05:30 2008 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Fri Jul 18 19:05:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] layoff; when is the right time? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080718103503.033d5738@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: > Do we tell him before his vacation or on the return? > Telling him before will surely ruin his vacation spirit, yet by > waiting he may be doing some spending he might otherwise not have, if told. > Thoughts? Bob, My heart goes out to you in this difficult time. Particularly in light of your follow-on post, I'd let him know before he goes on vacation. Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From ep101 at technaprint.com Fri Jul 18 19:07:32 2008 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Fri Jul 18 19:07:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Azura Plates Message-ID: We're looking at selling our Agfa Palladio and moving into thermal/processless. Anyone out there using and/or care to comment on Agfa's Azura plates? Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From championprinting at yahoo.com Fri Jul 18 20:09:27 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Fri Jul 18 20:09:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] What are you using for variable data on color digital press? Message-ID: <235655.34264.qm@web38301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just attended the same webinar. I own FusionPro, but from what I saw today, AccuZIP could render it obsolete for our shop. Ted Gelletly Allegra Print & Imaging 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@allegraeldersburg.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Kathy Henry To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:17:53 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] What are you using for variable data on color digital press? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Right now I am doing a webinar from AccuZip showing exactly what you want to do, amazing power for variable data on color digital. We were using InDesign, but never again. Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com ? "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower." Steve Jobs 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Peter Church Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 12:50 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] What are you using for variable data on color digital press? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have installed our Canon CV7000 color digital press and we are now looking at variable data software. I want to use it for putting name and address on postcards and letters as I image them. I want to put the variable text on the front of a postcard. Eventually I might like to put a variable graphic on a piece. I understand that there is a plug in for InDesign that we could use. There is something form "Direct Smile" that can do it. There is XMPie on the higher end. Anyone have any thoughts? Thanks, Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.1/1560 - Release Date: 7/18/2008 6:47 AM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Fri Jul 18 23:19:58 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Fri Jul 18 23:20:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] layoff; when is the right time? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080718103503.033d5738@bucksdigital.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080718103503.033d5738@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: Funny, I was in this exact situation years ago. I choose to tell him before his vacation for the reasons you described. He was pretty upset about my timing. Said I ruined his vacation and that I was a mean SOB. Ended up going to a church for awhile that he was a member of. I still remember the glares I got! Still, at the time I felt that since the decision was made to let him go, it was best to do it before his vacation. I suspect he would be just as upset had I waited until he returned... If it was me, I would want to know before I went on vacation. Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Jul 18, 2008, at 10:42 AM, Bob Herion wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We will be making a cutback on our second shift. > There is an employee who is just about to go on vacation with his > family. > We intend to pay for all accrued vacation and an additional 2 weeks > salary. > Do we tell him before his vacation or on the return? > Telling him before will surely ruin his vacation spirit, yet by > waiting he may be doing some spending he might otherwise not have, > if told. > Thoughts? > > Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! > We use Recycled and Certified Papers > Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 > 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 > www.bucksdigital.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Fri Jul 18 23:32:27 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Fri Jul 18 23:32:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] layoff; when is the right time? In-Reply-To: <20080718175107.5982.22971@hm-pop1.solinus.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080718103503.033d5738@bucksdigital.com> <20080718175107.5982.22971@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: <232A95B1-9AA4-461C-9EF9-F4237C1FF504@bellsouth.net> Jeff, Best advice yet! Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Jul 18, 2008, at 1:51 PM, Jeff Haines wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > At 10:42 AM 7/18/2008, you wrote: >> We will be making a cutback on our second shift. >> There is an employee who is just about to go on vacation with his >> family. >> We intend to pay for all accrued vacation and an additional 2 weeks >> salary. >> Do we tell him before his vacation or on the return? >> Telling him before will surely ruin his vacation spirit, yet by >> waiting he may be doing some spending he might otherwise not have, >> if told. >> Thoughts? > > > Unless it was the difference in knowing that you will be forced out > of business and closing your doors in the next month, I would wait > till he has been back from vacation a month. If he has had his > vacation scheduled for a more than a couple of weeks I would think > it is poor judgement to can him just before or after his vacation. > If you needed to cutback you should have planned better and let him > go a month ago. I don't know the whole situation, but it sounds like > bad planning on your part, but don't take it out on the employee. If > there is any way to see through it and not go bankrupt, I would wait > a month even if he isn't earning his keep because of low sales. I > think you risk having other employees think you are a heartless > employer. > > Jeff > > Haines Printing Co. > 10575 W. Main Rd. > North East, PA 16428 > (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 > email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Sat Jul 19 00:59:12 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Sat Jul 19 00:59:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vendor needed, over sized 4/0 job In-Reply-To: <0AFFB6A8-E43C-44BA-8F7E-9480FA74DC67@pressexpress.org> References: <200807171405.m6HE5ou6078686@pro35.abac.com> <0AFFB6A8-E43C-44BA-8F7E-9480FA74DC67@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: <72C722BC-F465-480E-BED1-86E91CEDA760@bellsouth.net> Can anyone on this list do this job or suggest a vendor? The job is 4/0 on 16pt C1S (may be able to use 12pt C1S if needed). Needs to be a high gloss on the coated side similar to Kromkote. The finished size is 23.25 x 8.25, but there are bleeds left to right on the 8.25" sides. The file will be provided digitally. Quantities: 350 450 550 Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 From StevePrint at aol.com Sat Jul 19 09:26:37 2008 From: StevePrint at aol.com (StevePrint@aol.com) Date: Sat Jul 19 09:26:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vendor needed, over sized 4/0 job Message-ID: You could try Partnerprinting.com. Most likely the quantity would need to be 250 500 or 1000. They offer UV or AQ coatings. Contact them @ 1-888-859-3404. Ask for Mark @ #105. He is the President of the company and let him know that Steve from Bay Business Printing put you in touch. He'll get you to the right person for the quote. Good luck. Steve Bay Business Printing _www.iorderprinting.com_ (http://www.iorderprinting.com) **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From jeff at hprinting.biz Sat Jul 19 13:48:45 2008 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Mon Jul 21 08:09:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Banding Flats for Mailings Message-ID: <20080721120917.28847.13619@hm-pop1.solinus.com> How do you band your standard mailing flats? Do you still use rubber bands or another method? Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From ellsworth at fullcircleprintingsolutions.com Mon Jul 21 09:19:56 2008 From: ellsworth at fullcircleprintingsolutions.com (Scott Vicnaire) Date: Mon Jul 21 09:20:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers Message-ID: <48848CFC.1010301@fullcircleprintingsolutions.com> Hello, Does anyone on the list have any experience with the Canon 5185 color copier and/or the Canon C1? We have an 8050 which is terrible, and the vendor isn't being very helpful in getting it replaced. They basically are giving me a the opportunity to roll the remaining lease into a CCP550/650 and send the 8050 back. Great way to deal with a lemon, huh? Another vendor deals Canons, assures me their stock handling capabilities are as good as the IKON/KM machines with better quality, and can put a proposal together for either of the machines above. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Scott Regal Printing & Graphics 265 Water Street Ellsworth, ME 04605 From priorityprinting at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 10:23:50 2008 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Mon Jul 21 10:23:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Are my prices too low? Message-ID: <072120081423.10439.48849BF60007180B000028C722058860140902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> The recent question about envelope pricing clearly indicated that I am too low on envelopes. I would appreciate it if I could get pricing on the following print job to learn if I am too low on my press prices across the board or just on envelopes. Qty 2,500 and 5,000 8.5 x 11 sheets printed 1 up in reflex blue. My current pricing is: 2,500 $150 and 5,000 $235.00 Thanks for the help. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 From char at themasterspress.com Mon Jul 21 10:34:37 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Mon Jul 21 10:34:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers In-Reply-To: <48848CFC.1010301@fullcircleprintingsolutions.com> References: <48848CFC.1010301@fullcircleprintingsolutions.com> Message-ID: Canon has not been known for their stock handling. The C1 is suppose to be a whole lot better and the same quality as the bigger 7000 but it only does 12 copies per minute compared to the 6500 at 65 cpm. So it really depends on what you want to do with it. If you want production you will never get much from the C1. I am not sure about the 5185. If it is just the 5100 with some updates I would not take it if someone gave it to me. :-) The 6500 or Ikon 650 will dramatically increase your production and capabilities over the 8050. How old is the 8050. It has been 4 years since they have been sold. If that is true it is probably beyond it's production years anyway. More than three years of a digital copier is just icing on the cake. (At least the smaller units). ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Vicnaire Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:20 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hello, Does anyone on the list have any experience with the Canon 5185 color copier and/or the Canon C1? We have an 8050 which is terrible, and the vendor isn't being very helpful in getting it replaced. They basically are giving me a the opportunity to roll the remaining lease into a CCP550/650 and send the 8050 back. Great way to deal with a lemon, huh? Another vendor deals Canons, assures me their stock handling capabilities are as good as the IKON/KM machines with better quality, and can put a proposal together for either of the machines above. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Scott Regal Printing & Graphics 265 Water Street Ellsworth, ME 04605 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3283 (20080721) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3284 (20080721) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From jeff at hprinting.biz Mon Jul 21 10:35:50 2008 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Mon Jul 21 10:35:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Banding Flats for Mailings Message-ID: <20080721143548.28319.27001@hm-pop1.solinus.com> How do you band your standard mailing flats? Do you still use rubber bands or another method? Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From sundance_print at yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 10:49:58 2008 From: sundance_print at yahoo.com (Wes Cornwell) Date: Mon Jul 21 10:50:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Are my prices too low? Message-ID: <854928.85215.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What kind of paper did you quote this on? Wes Cornwell Sundance Printing 303-841-3094 ----- Original Message ---- From: "priorityprinting@comcast.net" To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:23:50 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Are my prices too low? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The recent question about envelope pricing clearly indicated that I am too low on envelopes. I would appreciate it if I could get pricing on the following print job to learn if I am too low on my press prices across the board or just on envelopes. Qty 2,500 and 5,000 8.5 x 11 sheets printed 1 up in reflex blue. My current pricing is: 2,500 $150 and 5,000 $235.00 Thanks for the help. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 11:11:36 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Jul 21 11:11:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Are my prices too low? In-Reply-To: <072120081423.10439.48849BF60007180B000028C722058860140902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> References: <072120081423.10439.48849BF60007180B000028C722058860140902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0807210811h4e67b049t933ac8e91d160048@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:23 AM, wrote: > > The recent question about envelope pricing clearly indicated that I am too low > on envelopes. I would appreciate it if I could get pricing on the following print job to > learn if I am too low on my press prices across the board or just on > envelopes. > > Qty 2,500 and 5,000 8.5 x 11 sheets printed 1 up in reflex blue. > > My current pricing is: 2,500 $150 and 5,000 $235.00 > On what stock? Our 20# white, followed by our 60# opaque lot prices are: 2500 @ $185 / $206 5000 @ $278 / $319 including *simple* preflight of supplied file, or dearchiving history file. Your best bet is to buy a copy of the most recent John Stewart/NAQP Pricing Survey, the most recent copy of which should be one of your standard measurement tools, along with a brief survey of prices in your local market, remembering that the "correct" price is one that (1) produces a profit, (2) falls within range of the local market of prices (the mid to high end being preferable), (3) reflects all of the added value you're able add to the job perceptually, and (4) gets the job. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From priorityprinting at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 11:24:48 2008 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Mon Jul 21 11:25:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Are my prices too low? Message-ID: <072120081524.25650.4884AA40000A63170000643222007348400902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Just 20#. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Wes Cornwell > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What kind of paper did you quote this on? > > Wes Cornwell > Sundance Printing > 303-841-3094 > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "priorityprinting@comcast.net" > To: printowners@printweb.org > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:23:50 AM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Are my prices too low? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The recent question about envelope pricing clearly indicated that I am too low > on envelopes. I would appreciate it if I could get pricing on the following > print job to > learn if I am too low on my press prices across the board or just on > envelopes. > > Qty 2,500 and 5,000 8.5 x 11 sheets printed 1 up in reflex blue. > > My current pricing is: > > 2,500 $150 and 5,000 $235.00 > > Thanks for the help. > > Jeff Farber > Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. > 1323 E. Main Street > Flushing, MI 48433 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From priorityprinting at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 11:25:42 2008 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Mon Jul 21 11:25:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Are my prices too low? Message-ID: <072120081525.28130.4884AA7600032DF700006DE222007348400902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Just 20# -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Michael Vogel" > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:23 AM, wrote: > > > > The recent question about envelope pricing clearly indicated that I am too low > > on envelopes. I would appreciate it if I could get pricing on the following > print job to > > learn if I am too low on my press prices across the board or just on > > envelopes. > > > > Qty 2,500 and 5,000 8.5 x 11 sheets printed 1 up in reflex blue. > > > > My current pricing is: 2,500 $150 and 5,000 $235.00 > > > > On what stock? > > Our 20# white, followed by our 60# opaque lot prices are: > 2500 @ $185 / $206 > 5000 @ $278 / $319 > including *simple* preflight of supplied file, or dearchiving history file. > > Your best bet is to buy a copy of the most recent John Stewart/NAQP > Pricing Survey, the most recent copy of which should be one of your > standard measurement tools, along with a brief survey of prices in > your local market, remembering that the "correct" price is one that > (1) produces a profit, (2) falls within range of the local market of > prices (the mid to high end being preferable), (3) reflects all of the > added value you're able add to the job perceptually, and (4) gets the > job. > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From priorityprinting at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 11:26:54 2008 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Mon Jul 21 11:27:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Are my prices too low? Message-ID: <072120081526.29612.4884AABE000C5551000073AC22007348400902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Forgot to mention I priced it on 20#. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: priorityprinting@comcast.net > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The recent question about envelope pricing clearly indicated that I am too low > on envelopes. I would appreciate it if I could get pricing on the following > print job to > learn if I am too low on my press prices across the board or just on > envelopes. > > Qty 2,500 and 5,000 8.5 x 11 sheets printed 1 up in reflex blue. > > My current pricing is: > > 2,500 $150 and 5,000 $235.00 > > Thanks for the help. > > Jeff Farber > Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. > 1323 E. Main Street > Flushing, MI 48433 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From priorityprinting at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 11:26:54 2008 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Mon Jul 21 11:27:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Are my prices too low? Message-ID: <072120081526.29612.4884AABE000C5551000073AC22007348400902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Forgot to mention I priced it on 20#. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: priorityprinting@comcast.net > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The recent question about envelope pricing clearly indicated that I am too low > on envelopes. I would appreciate it if I could get pricing on the following > print job to > learn if I am too low on my press prices across the board or just on > envelopes. > > Qty 2,500 and 5,000 8.5 x 11 sheets printed 1 up in reflex blue. > > My current pricing is: > > 2,500 $150 and 5,000 $235.00 > > Thanks for the help. > > Jeff Farber > Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. > 1323 E. Main Street > Flushing, MI 48433 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From sos at olympus.net Mon Jul 21 11:53:00 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Jul 21 11:53:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Are my prices too low? References: <072120081423.10439.48849BF60007180B000028C722058860140902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <004101c8eb49$dab7d5c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: > Qty 2,500 and 5,000 8.5 x 11 sheets printed 1 up in reflex blue. > > My current pricing is: > > 2,500 $150 and 5,000 $235.00 ======================== We'd be at $143.26 and $222.56 Printed 2 up on 11x17. Priced out at 1 up on 8.5x11 we'd be $164.51 and $248.78 both on 20# bond. On 60# Offset, $197.62 and $297.10. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From jacemeister at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 11:55:54 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Mon Jul 21 11:55:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Banding Flats for Mailings In-Reply-To: <20080721143548.28319.27001@hm-pop1.solinus.com> References: <20080721143548.28319.27001@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: Our clerk wants us to use large rubber bands. Even though we have to buy them on our own (PO doesn't supply them) it keeps the peace with her. Jace On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Jeff Haines wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > How do you band your standard mailing flats? Do you still use rubber bands > or another method? > > > Jeff > > Haines Printing Co. > 10575 W. Main Rd. > North East, PA 16428 > (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 > email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon Jul 21 12:00:01 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon Jul 21 12:01:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Are my prices too low? In-Reply-To: <072120081423.10439.48849BF60007180B000028C7220588601409020 79B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> References: <072120081423.10439.48849BF60007180B000028C722058860140902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200807211601.m6LG1INE018085@i2bnetworks.com> I agree with Michael, you need to purchase a copy of the price study, today. Pay the money, get informed. Its the only way to really understand where you stand in the market, from a price perspective. But, another thought to consider... These days the real money to be made in this business is where you can add the most "value added" into a printing project. The more value added you contribute, the more profit you make. 2500 and 5000 8.5x11 1 color reflex blue adds very little "value added" therefore it is seen as a commodity by the buyer, and therefore will be shopped around and probably the buy decision will be driven by price. It will be driven by price because there is very little inherent risk of the job not being completed properly. Therefore, most likely (unless you have an excellent relationship with the buyer), price will be the determining factor of who produces the project. Along with analyzing our prices, we should also give consideration to selling to more complex projects. The higher the risk that the project is not produced correctly, the higher the need for "trust" in the equation of the buy decision, and therefore the higher potential for greater profits. S. At 07:23 AM 7/21/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >The recent question about envelope pricing clearly indicated that I >am too low >on envelopes. I would appreciate it if I could get pricing on the >following print job to >learn if I am too low on my press prices across the board or just on >envelopes. > >Qty 2,500 and 5,000 8.5 x 11 sheets printed 1 up in reflex blue. > >My current pricing is: > >2,500 $150 and 5,000 $235.00 > >Thanks for the help. > >Jeff Farber >Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. >1323 E. Main Street >Flushing, MI 48433 > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3284 (20080721) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From championprinting at yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 12:01:01 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Mon Jul 21 12:01:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Banding Flats for Mailings Message-ID: <390665.64542.qm@web38305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rubber bands. Double bands in each direction because they can no longer interfere with the address block. Some high volume mailers are switching to clear banding. Ted Gelletly Allegra Print & Imaging 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@allegraeldersburg.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Jeff Haines To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:35:50 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Banding Flats for Mailings ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** How do you band your standard mailing flats? Do you still use rubber bands or another method? Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From acepm2 at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 12:03:58 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Mon Jul 21 12:04:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Banding Flats for Mailings In-Reply-To: <20080721120917.28847.13619@hm-pop1.solinus.com> References: <20080721120917.28847.13619@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: I only use a strapping machine. I have for several years. When you buy one, don't skimp on the first one like I did. I went with a MOSCA. It just plain works. It is easy to clear jams (few and far between... but as an owner, I can make it jam!!!). I don't know about service. We've had it three years and never had a problem. Cost is where it should be. On the high end. But trust me when I tell you that you get what you pay for. Period. Check them out at http://www.eammosca.com . Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Jeff Haines wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > How do you band your standard mailing flats? Do you still use rubber bands > or another method? > > > Jeff > > Haines Printing Co. > 10575 W. Main Rd. > North East, PA 16428 > (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 > email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From dominick at fmtc.com Mon Jul 21 12:47:06 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Mon Jul 21 12:47:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers In-Reply-To: <48848CFC.1010301@fullcircleprintingsolutions.com> References: <48848CFC.1010301@fullcircleprintingsolutions.com> Message-ID: <4884BD8A.5080605@fmtc.com> Run, don't walk away from the Canon C1. Very very low speed. Maybe 6 per minute on 11 x 17 card stock. Quality good but not a production machine. Look at the KM6500, or even the Xerox 252. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Scott Vicnaire wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello, > > Does anyone on the list have any experience with the Canon 5185 color > copier and/or the Canon C1? We have an 8050 which is terrible, and the > vendor isn't being very helpful in getting it replaced. They basically > are giving me a the opportunity to roll the remaining lease into a > CCP550/650 and send the 8050 back. Great way to deal with a lemon, huh? > > Another vendor deals Canons, assures me their stock handling > capabilities are as good as the IKON/KM machines with better quality, > and can put a proposal together for either of the machines above. > > Any insight would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks! > > Scott > > > Regal Printing & Graphics > 265 Water Street > Ellsworth, ME 04605 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: > 270.5.3/1564 - Release Date: 7/21/2008 6:42 AM > > > From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Mon Jul 21 13:04:45 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Mon Jul 21 13:03:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price Message-ID: Of all the prices for envelopes last week, ours was closest to Michaels. Here's ours on #20 w/reflex: 2500=$175.15 5000=$267.64 AND........ #10 Regular w/reflex: 2500=$242.01 5,000=$397.27 We seem close on this, too. Hey Michael........what's up with that??? You been sneaking around our dumpster? Actually, I haven't seen a pricing study in quite a few years. I still use 'ancient chinese secret' for pricing.....which I talked about 5 years ago. Takes too long to explain. Get a copy of the book, it's pretty good......even if John compiled it (that's humor John) Best, Larry Desert Pacific Tucson > Our 20# white, followed by our 60# opaque lot prices are: > 2500 @ $185 / $206 > 5000 @ $278 / $319 > including *simple* preflight of supplied file, or dearchiving history file. > > Your best bet is to buy a copy of the most recent John Stewart/NAQP > Pricing Survey, the most recent copy of which should be one of your > standard measurement tools, along with a brief survey of prices in > your local market, remembering that the "correct" price is one that > (1) produces a profit, (2) falls within range of the local market of > prices (the mid to high end being preferable), (3) reflects all of the > added value you're able add to the job perceptually, and (4) gets the > job. > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Mon Jul 21 13:26:45 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Mon Jul 21 13:25:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Turn commodity into profits Message-ID: No doubt about it. But, even on a job like this, it's good to ask the customer what their greatest need is. I have been surprised by the jobs we get like this one because we take a moment to explain that if they get the job to us before we close today, they can pick it up first thing in the morning, no extra charge. We have 1 pressperson who starts at 1 AM each day......for the past 23 years. A little competetive edge on commodity jobs. There is a management principle which goes along with why we do this, but it takes too much space to write it out. But basically, think back to the first WEEK you were in business. Hungry for work. If someone wanted this job first thing in the AM, but couldn't bring the art work in until just before you closed.....would you accept the job? Or turn it down? Best, Larry Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Are my prices too low? To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Message-ID: <200807211601.m6LG1INE018085@i2bnetworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I agree with Michael, you need to purchase a copy of the price study, today. Pay the money, get informed. Its the only way to really understand where you stand in the market, from a price perspective. But, another thought to consider... These days the real money to be made in this business is where you can add the most "value added" into a printing project. The more value added you contribute, the more profit you make. 2500 and 5000 8.5x11 1 color reflex blue adds very little "value added" therefore it is seen as a commodity by the buyer, and therefore will be shopped around and probably the buy decision will be driven by price. It will be driven by price because there is very little inherent risk of the job not being completed properly. Therefore, most likely (unless you have an excellent relationship with the buyer), price will be the determining factor of who produces the project. From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 13:30:45 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Jul 21 13:30:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Are my prices too low? In-Reply-To: <004101c8eb49$dab7d5c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <072120081423.10439.48849BF60007180B000028C722058860140902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> <004101c8eb49$dab7d5c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0807211030x2a97c0d7g1f2043123f0f7c88@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > > We'd be at $143.26 and $222.56 Printed 2 up on 11x17. > > Priced out at 1 up on 8.5x11 we'd be $164.51 and $248.78 both on 20# bond. Just curious, Dan. I've seen other prices here quoted as you have above. Do you quote jobs to your customers like that? Seems to me that the price-to-the-customer is the only thing that matters, not how you're likely to run it. Wouldn't you always charge the "market" price and then run the job the most cost-effective way possible (given equipment availability)? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From eupinc at aol.com Mon Jul 21 13:37:39 2008 From: eupinc at aol.com (eupinc@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 21 13:37:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printed Plastic Tokens In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAB96F9B335D2E-1DE0-2A0E@FWM-D03.sysops.aol.com> Does anyone know where I can get printed plastic tokens about nickel size printed ?? Dave EUP - Porath Print Source 19236 DETROIT ROAD ROCKY RIVER, OHIO 44116 PHONE: 440.333.6484 FAX: 440.333.1182 www.porathprintsource.com -----Original Message----- From: larry To: Printowners Sent: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 1:26 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] Turn commodity into profits ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** No doubt about it. But, even on a job like this, it's good to ask the customer what their greatest need is. I have been surprised by the jobs we get like this one because we take a moment to explain that if they get the job to us before we close today, they can pick it up first thing in the morning, no extra charge. We have 1 pressperson who starts at 1 AM each day......for the past 23 years. A little competetive edge on commodity jobs. There is a management principle which goes along with why we do this, but it takes too much space to write it out. But basically, think back to the first WEEK you were in business. Hungry for work. If someone wanted this job first thing in the AM, but couldn't bring the art work in until just before you closed.....would you accept the job? Or turn it down? Best, Larry Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Are my prices too low? To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Message-ID: <200807211601.m6LG1INE018085@i2bnetworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I agree with Michael, you need to purchase a copy of the price study, today. Pay the money, get informed. Its the only way to really understand where you stand in the market, from a price perspective. But, another thought to consider... These days the real money to be made in this business is where you can add the most "value added" into a printing project. The more value added you contribute, the more profit you make. 2500 and 5000 8.5x11 1 color reflex blue adds very little "value added" therefore it is seen as a commodity by the buyer, and therefore will be shopped around and probably the buy decision will be driven by price. It will be driven by price because there is very little inherent risk of the job not being completed properly. Therefore, most likely (unless you have an excellent relationship with the buyer), price will be the determining factor of who produces the project. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Mon Jul 21 13:46:40 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Jul 21 13:46:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Are my prices too low? References: <072120081423.10439.48849BF60007180B000028C722058860140902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net><004101c8eb49$dab7d5c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <98f5b19a0807211030x2a97c0d7g1f2043123f0f7c88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008c01c8eb59$bb5ab5c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Vogel" > Just curious, Dan. I've seen other prices here quoted as you have > above. Do you quote jobs to your customers like that? Seems to me that > the price-to-the-customer is the only thing that matters, not how > you're likely to run it. Wouldn't you always charge the "market" price > and then run the job the most cost-effective way possible (given > equipment availability)? ============================ Right. It's just the original post specifically stated 8x5 x 11 one up. So I quoted it both ways. If it were a cost conscious customer, or a bid situation I'd probably quote the 2 up price, but other wise the one up price. But of course the customer wouldn't know how we were going to run it. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From jeff at hprinting.biz Mon Jul 21 13:56:14 2008 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Mon Jul 21 13:56:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Banding Flats for Mailings In-Reply-To: References: <20080721120917.28847.13619@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: <20080721175612.14414.6600@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 12:03 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: >I only use a strapping machine. I have for several years. When you buy one, >don't skimp on the first one like I did. I went with a MOSCA. It just plain >works. It is easy to clear jams (few and far between... but as an owner, I >can make it jam!!!). I don't know about service. We've had it three years >and never had a problem. Which model do you have? Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon Jul 21 14:01:29 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 21 14:01:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CAGE Codes for printers Message-ID: I hate to admit my ignorance but my wife just asked me what our CAGE code is. I said I had never heard of it. A government contractor for whom we do printing & copying, in order to complete their PO, is requesting our CAGE Code. I believe (from a quick search) that the code is issued by some entity if you do or perform work for the federal government. Can anyone enlighten me further. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From sos at olympus.net Mon Jul 21 14:08:36 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Jul 21 14:08:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CAGE Codes for printers References: Message-ID: <00c501c8eb5c$cbd5e390$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: > Can anyone enlighten me further. ===================== The Commercial And Government Entity Code, or CAGE Code, is a unique identifier assigned to suppliers (to various government or defense agencies) as well as to government agencies themselves and also various organizations. CAGE codes provide a standardized method of identifying a given facility at a specific location. CAGE Codes are used internationally as part of the NATO Codification System (NCS), where they are sometimes called NCAGE Codes. CAGE codes are referenced in various databases of the NCS, in particular they are used along with the supplier's part number to form a reference which is held on the NATO Stock Number (NSN) record. This reference enables users of the NCS to determine who supplies any given part. The information associated with the "Entities" themselves: their name, address, phone numbers and such, is catalogued in the H4 and H8 Handbooks. The National Codification Bureau of each NATO or NATO-sponsored Nation is responsible for the maintenance of the CAGE code information for entities in these respective countries. There are in the order of 1.5 Million entities in this catalog. Within the US, any organization wishing to be a supplier to the DoD is issued a CAGE Code by the US NCB: Defense Logistics Information Service (DLIS). An entity issued a CAGE code must reapply annually to renew it. CAGE is sometimes expanded as "Commercial Activity/Government Entity", "Contractor And Government Entity", or other, similar variations. According to the DLIS website, "Commercial And Government Entity" is proper. CAGE was previously known as Federal Supply Code for Manufacturers, or FSCM, which was also the National Supply Code for Manufacturer, or NSCM. In the NCS metadata, the CAGE code's Data Record Number (DRN) is 9250 (or 4140 for NSCM); information listed under this DRN indentifies very specifically the semantics of CAGE, its syntax and the procedures associated with it. I'd never heard of this before either. But the above is what Wikipedia says. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From acepm2 at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 14:25:34 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Mon Jul 21 14:25:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Banding Flats for Mailings In-Reply-To: <20080721175612.14414.6600@hm-pop1.solinus.com> References: <20080721120917.28847.13619@hm-pop1.solinus.com> <20080721175612.14414.6600@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: The model we have is: 33" x 16" opening ROMP2 http://www.edgertonbecker.com/html/products5.html If you don't have someone you trust, call Phil Becker at the above link. If he can sell it to you, he will. If not, he will find someone in your area. I have been dealing with these folks for many years. I cannot say enough good about them. They are my "partner" in the mailing business. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Jeff Haines wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > At 12:03 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: > >> I only use a strapping machine. I have for several years. When you buy >> one, >> don't skimp on the first one like I did. I went with a MOSCA. It just >> plain >> works. It is easy to clear jams (few and far between... but as an owner, I >> can make it jam!!!). I don't know about service. We've had it three years >> and never had a problem. >> > > > Which model do you have? > > > Jeff > > Haines Printing Co. > 10575 W. Main Rd. > North East, PA 16428 > (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 > email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From lacey at pdqteam.com Mon Jul 21 14:26:21 2008 From: lacey at pdqteam.com (Lacey Deal) Date: Mon Jul 21 14:26:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing list with street boundaries Message-ID: <00c201c8eb5f$46ae55f0$6d01a8c0@DESK1> Hello, My name is Lacey and I have been learning by reading the posts for a few months. I think this list is wonderfully useful and I finally have a question to ask the group. I have a client who needs a mailing list for a San Francisco neighborhood. He wants to define the list with street boundaries rather than zip codes or carrier routes. Accudata can't separate their information by street boundaries. Does anyone have a mailing list source that can do this? Thanks! Lacey Deal PDQ Printing Martinez, CA From kellycrom at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 14:47:19 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Mon Jul 21 14:47:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing list with street boundaries In-Reply-To: <00c201c8eb5f$46ae55f0$6d01a8c0@DESK1> References: <00c201c8eb5f$46ae55f0$6d01a8c0@DESK1> Message-ID: <002c01c8eb62$3504f9a0$9f0eece0$@com> Try Mailers Haven - 800-557-5487 Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Lacey Deal > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 1:26 PM > To: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing list with street boundaries > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello, > > My name is Lacey and I have been learning by reading the posts for a > few > months. I think this list is wonderfully useful and I finally have a > question to ask the group. > > I have a client who needs a mailing list for a San Francisco > neighborhood. He wants to define the list with street boundaries rather > than zip codes or carrier routes. Accudata can't separate their > information by street boundaries. Does anyone have a mailing list > source > that can do this? > > Thanks! > Lacey Deal > PDQ Printing > Martinez, CA > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Mon Jul 21 15:27:21 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Mon Jul 21 15:27:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers In-Reply-To: <20080721152555.23812FEEFE5@rb.enter.net> References: <20080721152555.23812FEEFE5@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: I have heard NOTHING good about the 5185 and it siblings. It is office quality at best, does not hold up and poor replacement for the 3220. I would buy a 6000/7000vp or nothing from Canon at this time. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From greg at pressexpress.org Mon Jul 21 16:32:17 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon Jul 21 16:32:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] full color fold over bus cards Message-ID: <79BED744-5751-48F1-AAEE-EE9A23F3398B@pressexpress.org> need a source for 4/4 fold over bc's on 10 or 12 pt c1s stock greg Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From oren66 at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 21 16:32:57 2008 From: oren66 at sbcglobal.net (Arie Teomi) Date: Mon Jul 21 16:33:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vendor Needed Message-ID: <959559.44553.qm@web83405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I need to print and mail 500,000 Postcards 5.5 x 10 on 67# White VB. I think I am looking for someone with a Web Press in cleveland or in the Great Lakes Area. Any suggestions? Thanks Arie Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner From acepm2 at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 16:50:18 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Mon Jul 21 16:50:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vendor Needed In-Reply-To: <959559.44553.qm@web83405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <959559.44553.qm@web83405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Arie, Why not just do it yourself if you have the press time??? If they are looking for 67# VB White, it cannot be that complicated! 4 up 11x17 and you're off to the races... have at it!!!! Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Arie Teomi wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I need to print and mail 500,000 Postcards 5.5 x 10 on > 67# White VB. > I think I am looking for someone with a Web Press in > cleveland or in the Great Lakes Area. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks > Arie > > Arie Teomi > LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT > 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F > Cleveland, OH 44122 > P:216-464-1960 > F:216-464-1660 > > www.LastingImpressionDirect.com > > Your Full Service > PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From george at cqamerica.net Mon Jul 21 16:56:54 2008 From: george at cqamerica.net (George Kittnar) Date: Mon Jul 21 16:57:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] full color fold over bus cards In-Reply-To: <79BED744-5751-48F1-AAEE-EE9A23F3398B@pressexpress.org> References: <79BED744-5751-48F1-AAEE-EE9A23F3398B@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: Tyr GR Print - they're on the web - great service / quality work. George Kittnar CQ America, Inc. Printing 7817 N. Second St Ste B Machesney Park, IL 61115 815-633-9150 george@cqamerica.net www.cqamerica.net -----Original Message----- From: Greg Weinfurter [mailto:greg@pressexpress.org] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 3:32 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] full color fold over bus cards ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** need a source for 4/4 fold over bc's on 10 or 12 pt c1s stock greg Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1563 - Release Date: 7/20/2008 12:59 PM From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com Mon Jul 21 18:04:27 2008 From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat) Date: Mon Jul 21 18:04:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vendor Needed In-Reply-To: References: <959559.44553.qm@web83405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thom, You are right, I would do that myself also, but if my numbers are right it is 3 out on 11x17, and I would probably do it on the copier with the addressing included. Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Thom Gulyas Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 4:50 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Vendor Needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Arie, Why not just do it yourself if you have the press time??? If they are looking for 67# VB White, it cannot be that complicated! 4 up 11x17 and you're off to the races... have at it!!!! Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Arie Teomi wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I need to print and mail 500,000 Postcards 5.5 x 10 on > 67# White VB. > I think I am looking for someone with a Web Press in > cleveland or in the Great Lakes Area. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks > Arie > > Arie Teomi > LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT > 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F > Cleveland, OH 44122 > P:216-464-1960 > F:216-464-1660 > > www.LastingImpressionDirect.com > > Your Full Service > PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bherion at bucksdigital.com Mon Jul 21 18:23:42 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Mon Jul 21 18:23:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 2nd shift layoffs update Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080721181514.03431ff0@bucksdigital.com> Yeah, well, there was no right answer to make everyone feel good. Most folks were of the opinion 'don't wait, tell now'. We were split here down the line. The solution (if you could call it that) was to say nothing. We are postponing the layoffs until two weeks after this person returns. At that time, all remaining vacation will be paid out and separate checks issued for 4 weeks pay. Its the best compromise we could muster. Who know, maybe the economy will turn in the interim? Right. On a lighter side of things, I had a customer question a price stating, "after all, its only ink on paper". I couldn't help but laugh openly and I said back, that explains why the dollar is losing so much value! Best to all, Bob Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From kathy at badgerpressinc.com Mon Jul 21 18:39:55 2008 From: kathy at badgerpressinc.com (Kathy Dederich) Date: Mon Jul 21 18:40:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 500M Postcards Message-ID: <011a01c8eb82$b2d2e2a0$837cfea9@DellInspiron> You can try FCL Graphics in Harwood Heights, IL. Call Ken Menconi 708 867-5500 and tell him I sent you. Kathy Dederich Badger Press, Inc. Libertyville, IL From char at themasterspress.com Mon Jul 21 18:44:08 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Mon Jul 21 18:44:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 2nd shift layoffs update In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080721181514.03431ff0@bucksdigital.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080721181514.03431ff0@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <98D228E5E0A1426AA9C5FDA0BE3258E3@CharXP> Bob thanks for sharing the end results. Don't always get to hear that part. Sounds like a great "solution". I wish you the best and hope things pick up for you so much before then you will have to hire even more people. :-) ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Herion Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 5:24 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] 2nd shift layoffs update ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Yeah, well, there was no right answer to make everyone feel good. Most folks were of the opinion 'don't wait, tell now'. We were split here down the line. The solution (if you could call it that) was to say nothing. We are postponing the layoffs until two weeks after this person returns. At that time, all remaining vacation will be paid out and separate checks issued for 4 weeks pay. Its the best compromise we could muster. Who know, maybe the economy will turn in the interim? Right. On a lighter side of things, I had a customer question a price stating, "after all, its only ink on paper". I couldn't help but laugh openly and I said back, that explains why the dollar is losing so much value! Best to all, Bob Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3284 (20080721) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3284 (20080721) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From soneal at conestogadpi.com Mon Jul 21 19:23:04 2008 From: soneal at conestogadpi.com (Shawn O'Neal) Date: Mon Jul 21 19:22:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00b101c8eb88$ba2f70d0$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> I recently heard from a dealer that Canon is going to come out with a 5185 PRO version which will compete with the new Xerox 700 and the KM6500. Both are basically office copiers with better finishing and paper capabilities but not much improvement on the image side. As far as the C1, yes it is slow but what is your volume? There is a local publisher of scientific journals that runs their C1 constantly 2 shifts and averages 2 calls per month mostly for consumables like cleaning webs etc. I am looking for a new machine and have evaluated the KM6500, X-700 when it comes out and the Canon 6000 and C1. Due to image quality issues I am pretty sure the KM machine is not for me. If the X-700 is equivalent to the Doc 252 samples it has real promise but I need to wait until it is actually released. The Canon 6000 image quality is amazing as is the C1. I actually had an ad agency in on a tour and they wanted to take my C1 samples they were so impressed. It sounds like from this board that many folks love the KM machine and I am just not impressed, I have gained some good customers that left another local printer running one due to image quality. I have a very good dealer here and my customers are leading me towards the Canon 6000. We shall see... Shawn O'Neal Conestoga dpi 246 N Lincoln Ave Lebanon, PA 17046 www.conestogadpi.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:35 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Canon has not been known for their stock handling. The C1 is suppose to be a whole lot better and the same quality as the bigger 7000 but it only does 12 copies per minute compared to the 6500 at 65 cpm. So it really depends on what you want to do with it. If you want production you will never get much from the C1. I am not sure about the 5185. If it is just the 5100 with some updates I would not take it if someone gave it to me. :-) The 6500 or Ikon 650 will dramatically increase your production and capabilities over the 8050. How old is the 8050. It has been 4 years since they have been sold. If that is true it is probably beyond it's production years anyway. More than three years of a digital copier is just icing on the cake. (At least the smaller units). ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Vicnaire Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:20 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hello, Does anyone on the list have any experience with the Canon 5185 color copier and/or the Canon C1? We have an 8050 which is terrible, and the vendor isn't being very helpful in getting it replaced. They basically are giving me a the opportunity to roll the remaining lease into a CCP550/650 and send the 8050 back. Great way to deal with a lemon, huh? Another vendor deals Canons, assures me their stock handling capabilities are as good as the IKON/KM machines with better quality, and can put a proposal together for either of the machines above. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Scott Regal Printing & Graphics 265 Water Street Ellsworth, ME 04605 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3283 (20080721) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3284 (20080721) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bradw at auburnprint.com Mon Jul 21 19:39:34 2008 From: bradw at auburnprint.com (Brad Weston) Date: Mon Jul 21 19:39:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers In-Reply-To: <00b101c8eb88$ba2f70d0$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> References: <00b101c8eb88$ba2f70d0$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20080721163606.04933220@127.0.0.1> We looked at the C1 (great print quality) but the registration was not good enough on two sided work. We just took delivery of a Canon 7000 Brad Weston Auburn Printers 13020 Earhart Ave Auburn CA 95602 "Endurance Capitol of the World" 530-885-9674 Phone 530-885-6517 Fax <http://www.auburnprint.com/> t 04:23 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I recently heard from a dealer that Canon is going to come out with a 5185 >PRO version which will compete with the new Xerox 700 and the KM6500. Both >are basically office copiers with better finishing and paper capabilities >but not much improvement on the image side. As far as the C1, yes it is slow >but what is your volume? There is a local publisher of scientific journals >that runs their C1 constantly 2 shifts and averages 2 calls per month mostly >for consumables like cleaning webs etc. > >I am looking for a new machine and have evaluated the KM6500, X-700 when it >comes out and the Canon 6000 and C1. Due to image quality issues I am pretty >sure the KM machine is not for me. If the X-700 is equivalent to the Doc 252 >samples it has real promise but I need to wait until it is actually >released. The Canon 6000 image quality is amazing as is the C1. I actually >had an ad agency in on a tour and they wanted to take my C1 samples they >were so impressed. > >It sounds like from this board that many folks love the KM machine and I am >just not impressed, I have gained some good customers that left another >local printer running one due to image quality. I have a very good dealer >here and my customers are leading me towards the Canon 6000. We shall see... > >Shawn O'Neal >Conestoga dpi >246 N Lincoln Ave >Lebanon, PA 17046 > >www.conestogadpi.com > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims >Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:35 AM >To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Canon has not been known for their stock handling. The C1 is suppose to be >a whole lot better and the same quality as the bigger 7000 but it only does >12 copies per minute compared to the 6500 at 65 cpm. So it really depends >on what you want to do with it. If you want production you will never get >much from the C1. I am not sure about the 5185. If it is just the 5100 >with some updates I would not take it if someone gave it to me. :-) > >The 6500 or Ikon 650 will dramatically increase your production and >capabilities over the 8050. How old is the 8050. It has been 4 years since >they have been sold. If that is true it is probably beyond it's production >years anyway. More than three years of a digital copier is just icing on >the cake. (At least the smaller units). >ch > >Charlene Sims >President >The Master's Press, Inc. >14550 Midway Road >Dallas, Tx 75244 > >972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 >www.TheMastersPress.com >char@themasterspress.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Vicnaire >Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:20 AM >To: printowners@printweb.org >Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Hello, > >Does anyone on the list have any experience with the Canon 5185 color >copier and/or the Canon C1? We have an 8050 which is terrible, and the >vendor isn't being very helpful in getting it replaced. They basically >are giving me a the opportunity to roll the remaining lease into a >CCP550/650 and send the 8050 back. Great way to deal with a lemon, huh? > >Another vendor deals Canons, assures me their stock handling >capabilities are as good as the IKON/KM machines with better quality, >and can put a proposal together for either of the machines above. > >Any insight would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks! > >Scott > > >Regal Printing & Graphics >265 Water Street >Ellsworth, ME 04605 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 3283 (20080721) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 3284 (20080721) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From soneal at conestogadpi.com Mon Jul 21 20:00:25 2008 From: soneal at conestogadpi.com (Shawn O'Neal) Date: Mon Jul 21 19:59:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20080721163606.04933220@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <00b201c8eb8d$f1e60980$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> Wow that's a jump C1 to 7000. Shawn O'Neal Conestoga dpi 246 N Lincoln Ave Lebanon, PA 17046 www.conestogadpi.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brad Weston Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 7:40 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We looked at the C1 (great print quality) but the registration was not good enough on two sided work. We just took delivery of a Canon 7000 Brad Weston Auburn Printers 13020 Earhart Ave Auburn CA 95602 "Endurance Capitol of the World" 530-885-9674 Phone 530-885-6517 Fax <http://www.auburnprint.com/> t 04:23 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I recently heard from a dealer that Canon is going to come out with a 5185 >PRO version which will compete with the new Xerox 700 and the KM6500. Both >are basically office copiers with better finishing and paper capabilities >but not much improvement on the image side. As far as the C1, yes it is slow >but what is your volume? There is a local publisher of scientific journals >that runs their C1 constantly 2 shifts and averages 2 calls per month mostly >for consumables like cleaning webs etc. > >I am looking for a new machine and have evaluated the KM6500, X-700 when it >comes out and the Canon 6000 and C1. Due to image quality issues I am pretty >sure the KM machine is not for me. If the X-700 is equivalent to the Doc 252 >samples it has real promise but I need to wait until it is actually >released. The Canon 6000 image quality is amazing as is the C1. I actually >had an ad agency in on a tour and they wanted to take my C1 samples they >were so impressed. > >It sounds like from this board that many folks love the KM machine and I am >just not impressed, I have gained some good customers that left another >local printer running one due to image quality. I have a very good dealer >here and my customers are leading me towards the Canon 6000. We shall see... > >Shawn O'Neal >Conestoga dpi >246 N Lincoln Ave >Lebanon, PA 17046 > >www.conestogadpi.com > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims >Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:35 AM >To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Canon has not been known for their stock handling. The C1 is suppose to be >a whole lot better and the same quality as the bigger 7000 but it only does >12 copies per minute compared to the 6500 at 65 cpm. So it really depends >on what you want to do with it. If you want production you will never get >much from the C1. I am not sure about the 5185. If it is just the 5100 >with some updates I would not take it if someone gave it to me. :-) > >The 6500 or Ikon 650 will dramatically increase your production and >capabilities over the 8050. How old is the 8050. It has been 4 years since >they have been sold. If that is true it is probably beyond it's production >years anyway. More than three years of a digital copier is just icing on >the cake. (At least the smaller units). >ch > >Charlene Sims >President >The Master's Press, Inc. >14550 Midway Road >Dallas, Tx 75244 > >972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 >www.TheMastersPress.com >char@themasterspress.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Vicnaire >Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:20 AM >To: printowners@printweb.org >Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Hello, > >Does anyone on the list have any experience with the Canon 5185 color >copier and/or the Canon C1? We have an 8050 which is terrible, and the >vendor isn't being very helpful in getting it replaced. They basically >are giving me a the opportunity to roll the remaining lease into a >CCP550/650 and send the 8050 back. Great way to deal with a lemon, huh? > >Another vendor deals Canons, assures me their stock handling >capabilities are as good as the IKON/KM machines with better quality, >and can put a proposal together for either of the machines above. > >Any insight would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks! > >Scott > > >Regal Printing & Graphics >265 Water Street >Ellsworth, ME 04605 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 3283 (20080721) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 3284 (20080721) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dominick at fmtc.com Mon Jul 21 20:01:42 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Mon Jul 21 20:02:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers In-Reply-To: <00b101c8eb88$ba2f70d0$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> References: <00b101c8eb88$ba2f70d0$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> Message-ID: <48852366.9040204@fmtc.com> Shawn, There was not much wrong with the C1 quality, it was the production speed. My guess is your local publisher would only need one shift with the 6500 or the X-252. The 6500 was also not for us. Quality, lack of service support, and a few other issues kept us from it. The X-252 has the support and quality we need, so that is why we bought it. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Shawn O'Neal wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I recently heard from a dealer that Canon is going to come out with a 5185 > PRO version which will compete with the new Xerox 700 and the KM6500. Both > are basically office copiers with better finishing and paper capabilities > but not much improvement on the image side. As far as the C1, yes it is slow > but what is your volume? There is a local publisher of scientific journals > that runs their C1 constantly 2 shifts and averages 2 calls per month mostly > for consumables like cleaning webs etc. > > I am looking for a new machine and have evaluated the KM6500, X-700 when it > comes out and the Canon 6000 and C1. Due to image quality issues I am pretty > sure the KM machine is not for me. If the X-700 is equivalent to the Doc 252 > samples it has real promise but I need to wait until it is actually > released. The Canon 6000 image quality is amazing as is the C1. I actually > had an ad agency in on a tour and they wanted to take my C1 samples they > were so impressed. > > It sounds like from this board that many folks love the KM machine and I am > just not impressed, I have gained some good customers that left another > local printer running one due to image quality. I have a very good dealer > here and my customers are leading me towards the Canon 6000. We shall see... > > Shawn O'Neal > Conestoga dpi > 246 N Lincoln Ave > Lebanon, PA 17046 > > From soneal at conestogadpi.com Mon Jul 21 20:01:42 2008 From: soneal at conestogadpi.com (Shawn O'Neal) Date: Mon Jul 21 20:02:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20080721163606.04933220@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <00b301c8eb8e$294377f0$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> Brad, What other equipment did you evaluate? Shawn O'Neal Conestoga dpi 246 N Lincoln Ave Lebanon, PA 17046 www.conestogadpi.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brad Weston Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 7:40 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We looked at the C1 (great print quality) but the registration was not good enough on two sided work. We just took delivery of a Canon 7000 Brad Weston Auburn Printers 13020 Earhart Ave Auburn CA 95602 "Endurance Capitol of the World" 530-885-9674 Phone 530-885-6517 Fax <http://www.auburnprint.com/> t 04:23 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I recently heard from a dealer that Canon is going to come out with a 5185 >PRO version which will compete with the new Xerox 700 and the KM6500. Both >are basically office copiers with better finishing and paper capabilities >but not much improvement on the image side. As far as the C1, yes it is slow >but what is your volume? There is a local publisher of scientific journals >that runs their C1 constantly 2 shifts and averages 2 calls per month mostly >for consumables like cleaning webs etc. > >I am looking for a new machine and have evaluated the KM6500, X-700 when it >comes out and the Canon 6000 and C1. Due to image quality issues I am pretty >sure the KM machine is not for me. If the X-700 is equivalent to the Doc 252 >samples it has real promise but I need to wait until it is actually >released. The Canon 6000 image quality is amazing as is the C1. I actually >had an ad agency in on a tour and they wanted to take my C1 samples they >were so impressed. > >It sounds like from this board that many folks love the KM machine and I am >just not impressed, I have gained some good customers that left another >local printer running one due to image quality. I have a very good dealer >here and my customers are leading me towards the Canon 6000. We shall see... > >Shawn O'Neal >Conestoga dpi >246 N Lincoln Ave >Lebanon, PA 17046 > >www.conestogadpi.com > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims >Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:35 AM >To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Canon has not been known for their stock handling. The C1 is suppose to be >a whole lot better and the same quality as the bigger 7000 but it only does >12 copies per minute compared to the 6500 at 65 cpm. So it really depends >on what you want to do with it. If you want production you will never get >much from the C1. I am not sure about the 5185. If it is just the 5100 >with some updates I would not take it if someone gave it to me. :-) > >The 6500 or Ikon 650 will dramatically increase your production and >capabilities over the 8050. How old is the 8050. It has been 4 years since >they have been sold. If that is true it is probably beyond it's production >years anyway. More than three years of a digital copier is just icing on >the cake. (At least the smaller units). >ch > >Charlene Sims >President >The Master's Press, Inc. >14550 Midway Road >Dallas, Tx 75244 > >972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 >www.TheMastersPress.com >char@themasterspress.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Vicnaire >Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:20 AM >To: printowners@printweb.org >Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Hello, > >Does anyone on the list have any experience with the Canon 5185 color >copier and/or the Canon C1? We have an 8050 which is terrible, and the >vendor isn't being very helpful in getting it replaced. They basically >are giving me a the opportunity to roll the remaining lease into a >CCP550/650 and send the 8050 back. Great way to deal with a lemon, huh? > >Another vendor deals Canons, assures me their stock handling >capabilities are as good as the IKON/KM machines with better quality, >and can put a proposal together for either of the machines above. > >Any insight would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks! > >Scott > > >Regal Printing & Graphics >265 Water Street >Ellsworth, ME 04605 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 3283 (20080721) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 3284 (20080721) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au Mon Jul 21 20:05:49 2008 From: Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au (Harry Brelsford) Date: Mon Jul 21 20:06:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers In-Reply-To: <48848CFC.1010301@fullcircleprintingsolutions.com> References: <48848CFC.1010301@fullcircleprintingsolutions.com> Message-ID: Depends on your needs. We have two Canon 5180 color machines and are happy with them. They won't run the heavier stocks which we send to a another printer with a KM6500. The reality is the image quality off the Canon 5180's even though they may be classed as office copiers is better than the KM6500. Maybe it is not maintained very well. We have the Canon's with the H1 Fiery RIP. The 5180's print at 50 prints per minute and we find them great for fast turnaround commercial work. For high quality we suggest offset printing to our customers. Waiting for the C1 with spot varnish due out in a few months for that agency quality digital work. Harry (Australia) >Hello, > >Does anyone on the list have any experience with the Canon 5185 >color copier and/or the Canon C1? We have an 8050 which is terrible, >and the vendor isn't being very helpful in getting it replaced. They >basically are giving me a the opportunity to roll the remaining >lease into a CCP550/650 and send the 8050 back. Great way to deal >with a lemon, huh? > >Another vendor deals Canons, assures me their stock handling >capabilities are as good as the IKON/KM machines with better >quality, and can put a proposal together for either of the machines >above. > >Any insight would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks! > >Scott > > >Regal Printing & Graphics >265 Water Street >Ellsworth, ME 04605 From bradw at auburnprint.com Mon Jul 21 22:09:33 2008 From: bradw at auburnprint.com (Brad Weston) Date: Mon Jul 21 22:09:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers In-Reply-To: <00b301c8eb8e$294377f0$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20080721163606.04933220@127.0.0.1> <00b301c8eb8e$294377f0$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20080721185643.025e4078@127.0.0.1> In my evaluation I used a combo of price, makeready and ease of training. All of my competitors in commercial sheetfed printing are using one of the "big 4" IGen-Expensive, only upside was faster, we are 30 miles outside of Sacramento and don't have good field support for Xerox products Nexpress- Expensive, upside for us was better registration. Needs to run all day and we don't have a large digital market established as of yet. Indigo- Needs a pressman to run. The 7000 can be run by the person making plates, proofing and imposition. Run quantities for the Indigo can be longer and cheaper but it would cut into our 5 color sheetfed work. Brad Weston At 05:01 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Brad, > >What other equipment did you evaluate? > >Shawn O'Neal >Conestoga dpi >246 N Lincoln Ave >Lebanon, PA 17046 >www.conestogadpi.com > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brad Weston >Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 7:40 PM >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We looked at the C1 (great print quality) but the registration was not good >enough on two sided work. We just took delivery of a Canon 7000 > >Brad Weston >Auburn Printers >13020 Earhart Ave >Auburn CA 95602 >"Endurance Capitol of the World" > >530-885-9674 Phone >530-885-6517 Fax ><http://www.auburnprint.com/> > > >t 04:23 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >I recently heard from a dealer that Canon is going to come out with a 5185 > >PRO version which will compete with the new Xerox 700 and the KM6500. Both > >are basically office copiers with better finishing and paper capabilities > >but not much improvement on the image side. As far as the C1, yes it is >slow > >but what is your volume? There is a local publisher of scientific journals > >that runs their C1 constantly 2 shifts and averages 2 calls per month >mostly > >for consumables like cleaning webs etc. > > > >I am looking for a new machine and have evaluated the KM6500, X-700 when it > >comes out and the Canon 6000 and C1. Due to image quality issues I am >pretty > >sure the KM machine is not for me. If the X-700 is equivalent to the Doc >252 > >samples it has real promise but I need to wait until it is actually > >released. The Canon 6000 image quality is amazing as is the C1. I actually > >had an ad agency in on a tour and they wanted to take my C1 samples they > >were so impressed. > > > >It sounds like from this board that many folks love the KM machine and I am > >just not impressed, I have gained some good customers that left another > >local printer running one due to image quality. I have a very good dealer > >here and my customers are leading me towards the Canon 6000. We shall >see... > > > >Shawn O'Neal > >Conestoga dpi > >246 N Lincoln Ave > >Lebanon, PA 17046 > > > >www.conestogadpi.com > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims > >Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:35 AM > >To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers > > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >Canon has not been known for their stock handling. The C1 is suppose to be > >a whole lot better and the same quality as the bigger 7000 but it only does > >12 copies per minute compared to the 6500 at 65 cpm. So it really depends > >on what you want to do with it. If you want production you will never get > >much from the C1. I am not sure about the 5185. If it is just the 5100 > >with some updates I would not take it if someone gave it to me. :-) > > > >The 6500 or Ikon 650 will dramatically increase your production and > >capabilities over the 8050. How old is the 8050. It has been 4 years >since > >they have been sold. If that is true it is probably beyond it's production > >years anyway. More than three years of a digital copier is just icing on > >the cake. (At least the smaller units). > >ch > > > >Charlene Sims > >President > >The Master's Press, Inc. > >14550 Midway Road > >Dallas, Tx 75244 > > > >972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > >www.TheMastersPress.com > >char@themasterspress.com > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Vicnaire > >Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:20 AM > >To: printowners@printweb.org > >Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers > > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >Hello, > > > >Does anyone on the list have any experience with the Canon 5185 color > >copier and/or the Canon C1? We have an 8050 which is terrible, and the > >vendor isn't being very helpful in getting it replaced. They basically > >are giving me a the opportunity to roll the remaining lease into a > >CCP550/650 and send the 8050 back. Great way to deal with a lemon, huh? > > > >Another vendor deals Canons, assures me their stock handling > >capabilities are as good as the IKON/KM machines with better quality, > >and can put a proposal together for either of the machines above. > > > >Any insight would be greatly appreciated. > > > >Thanks! > > > >Scott > > > > > >Regal Printing & Graphics > >265 Water Street > >Ellsworth, ME 04605 > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature > >database 3283 (20080721) __________ > > > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > >http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature > >database 3284 (20080721) __________ > > > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > >http://www.eset.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From oren66 at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 21 23:21:19 2008 From: oren66 at sbcglobal.net (Arie Teomi) Date: Mon Jul 21 23:21:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vendor Needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <965675.67836.qm@web83415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thom and Richard, I would love to do it in house but 3 up will be 500,000 impressions for 2/4 and 667,000 for 4/4 because I don't have a 4 color press. if I run it on the copier,it is 334,000 clicks which is $16,700.00(clicks only)and will take too long It looks like a web press job to make it competitive. Obviously price is quite an issue. This is why I was looking for a web press which I believe is the correct way to look at it. Arie --- Richard Moffat wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thom, > > You are right, I would do that myself also, but if > my numbers are right it > is 3 out on 11x17, and I would probably do it on the > copier with the > addressing included. > > > Richard Moffat > > > Sir Speedy > 244 S.W. 6th Street > Miami, Florida 33130 > (305) 285-1401 Tel > (305) 285-1402 Fax > richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com > www.sirspeedy-brickell.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf > Of Thom Gulyas > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 4:50 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners > Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Vendor Needed > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Arie, > > Why not just do it yourself if you have the press > time??? > > If they are looking for 67# VB White, it cannot be > that complicated! 4 up > 11x17 and you're off to the races... have at it!!!! > > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > www.acepm.com > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Arie Teomi > wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > I need to print and mail 500,000 Postcards 5.5 x > 10 on > > 67# White VB. > > I think I am looking for someone with a Web Press > in > > cleveland or in the Great Lakes Area. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks > > Arie > > > > Arie Teomi > > LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT > > 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F > > Cleveland, OH 44122 > > P:216-464-1960 > > F:216-464-1660 > > > > www.LastingImpressionDirect.com > > > > > Your Full Service > > PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > -- > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > Berlin, Maryland 21811 > www.acepm.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com Tue Jul 22 00:11:26 2008 From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat) Date: Tue Jul 22 00:11:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vendor Needed In-Reply-To: <965675.67836.qm@web83415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <965675.67836.qm@web83415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Arie, You are completely right. I incorrectly assumed being a Vellum Bristol job it was one color (usually black). My bad. Sorry, Richard. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Arie Teomi Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:21 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Vendor Needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thom and Richard, I would love to do it in house but 3 up will be 500,000 impressions for 2/4 and 667,000 for 4/4 because I don't have a 4 color press. if I run it on the copier,it is 334,000 clicks which is $16,700.00(clicks only)and will take too long It looks like a web press job to make it competitive. Obviously price is quite an issue. This is why I was looking for a web press which I believe is the correct way to look at it. Arie --- Richard Moffat wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thom, > > You are right, I would do that myself also, but if > my numbers are right it > is 3 out on 11x17, and I would probably do it on the > copier with the > addressing included. > > > Richard Moffat > > > Sir Speedy > 244 S.W. 6th Street > Miami, Florida 33130 > (305) 285-1401 Tel > (305) 285-1402 Fax > richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com > www.sirspeedy-brickell.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf > Of Thom Gulyas > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 4:50 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners > Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Vendor Needed > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Arie, > > Why not just do it yourself if you have the press > time??? > > If they are looking for 67# VB White, it cannot be > that complicated! 4 up > 11x17 and you're off to the races... have at it!!!! > > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > www.acepm.com > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Arie Teomi > wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > I need to print and mail 500,000 Postcards 5.5 x > 10 on > > 67# White VB. > > I think I am looking for someone with a Web Press > in > > cleveland or in the Great Lakes Area. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks > > Arie > > > > Arie Teomi > > LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT > > 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F > > Cleveland, OH 44122 > > P:216-464-1960 > > F:216-464-1660 > > > > www.LastingImpressionDirect.com > > > > > Your Full Service > > PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > -- > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > Berlin, Maryland 21811 > www.acepm.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Tue Jul 22 02:52:51 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Tue Jul 22 02:53:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 1/2 million postcards Message-ID: Thom and Richard, I would love to do it in house but 3 up will be 500,000 impressions for 2/4 and 667,000 for 4/4 because I don't have a 4 color press. if I run it on the copier,it is 334,000 clicks which is $16,700.00(clicks only)and will take too long It looks like a web press job to make it competitive. Obviously price is quite an issue. This is why I was looking for a web press which I believe is the correct way to look at it. Arie When we do jobs this size, we find we can get them printed on roll stock (web) for less than our cost of the stock. Same with runs of >25K envelopes, our cost is the same as the blank stock and they'll print both sides at that price. LT DPP Tucson From acepm2 at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 06:15:27 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Tue Jul 22 06:15:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vendor Needed In-Reply-To: <965675.67836.qm@web83415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <965675.67836.qm@web83415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oh... whoops! I should read a bit closer... meant 3 up, typed 4. At any rate, I too thought it would be an easy 1/1 job. 2/4 or 4/4 is going to be a stretch on that type of stock. But hey, if they're willing to pay for it, go get it. Perhaps you have a 4C house nearby you can partner with on this job? Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Arie Teomi wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thom and Richard, > I would love to do it in house but 3 up will be > 500,000 impressions for 2/4 and 667,000 for 4/4 > because I don't have a 4 color press. if I run it on > the copier,it is 334,000 clicks which is > $16,700.00(clicks only)and will take too long > It looks like a web press job to make it competitive. > Obviously price is quite an issue. This is why I was > looking for a web press which I believe is the correct > way to look at it. > > Arie > > > > --- Richard Moffat > wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Thom, > > > > You are right, I would do that myself also, but if > > my numbers are right it > > is 3 out on 11x17, and I would probably do it on the > > copier with the > > addressing included. > > > > > > Richard Moffat > > > > > > Sir Speedy > > 244 S.W. 6th Street > > Miami, Florida 33130 > > (305) 285-1401 Tel > > (305) 285-1402 Fax > > richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com > > www.sirspeedy-brickell.com > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf > > Of Thom Gulyas > > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 4:50 PM > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners > > Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Vendor Needed > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Arie, > > > > Why not just do it yourself if you have the press > > time??? > > > > If they are looking for 67# VB White, it cannot be > > that complicated! 4 up > > 11x17 and you're off to the races... have at it!!!! > > > > Thom Gulyas > > ACE Printing & Mailing > > www.acepm.com > > > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Arie Teomi > > wrote: > > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > I need to print and mail 500,000 Postcards 5.5 x > > 10 on > > > 67# White VB. > > > I think I am looking for someone with a Web Press > > in > > > cleveland or in the Great Lakes Area. > > > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Arie > > > > > > Arie Teomi > > > LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT > > > 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F > > > Cleveland, OH 44122 > > > P:216-464-1960 > > > F:216-464-1660 > > > > > > www.LastingImpressionDirect.com > > > > > > > > Your Full Service > > > PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > > Info: > > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Thom Gulyas > > ACE Printing & Mailing > > Berlin, Maryland 21811 > > www.acepm.com > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: > > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: > > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > Arie Teomi > LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT > 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F > Cleveland, OH 44122 > P:216-464-1960 > F:216-464-1660 > > www.LastingImpressionDirect.com > > Your Full Service > PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Jul 22 08:46:52 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 22 08:46:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Most excitement since Vietnam Message-ID: On the way to work noticed dozens of cops racing by, and two helicopters circling overhead. Worked my way into my parking lot... next door were parked at least 20 police cars from various jurisdictions, an APC, and then on the street/alley next to us dozens more cop cars.... traffic stopped in all directions at the intersection a half block away.... apparently some stupid bubbas broke into Office Depot behind us and are now holding hostages.... only in Melbourne would you break into a place like that.... what happened to banks, jewelry stores, etc????? Guys in camo running behind our property... more security vans moving in by the moment.... there is a far greater police presence than if the president was visiting...... I think they may try to run their APC across our property and I will be pissed off since that is where our septic system is.... John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From peter at keystonepress.com Tue Jul 22 09:13:53 2008 From: peter at keystonepress.com (Peter Church) Date: Tue Jul 22 09:16:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] How to sequentially number in Indesign Message-ID: I know this has been discussed before, but how do I number sequentially in InDesign? I want to do raffle tickets multiple up on an 11 x 17 sheet and then output to our Canon digital press. Do I need to buy a plug-in, if so which one? Thanks, Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 From slb at inkspot.net Tue Jul 22 09:58:47 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Jul 22 09:59:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Most excitement since Vietnam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4885AF57.31280.36B900D7@slb.inkspot.net> We had a bit of entertainment on a smaller scale a couple of years ago, when the bank around the corner from us (and whose property we abut at the back) was robbed, and the getaway car was, apparently, parked in our lot. The crime scene guys taped off the back of our lot, and documented some skid/takeoff marks in the gravel. All of us were interviewed by a very attractive young woman whose nametag identified her as an FBI Special Agent. Yours sounds more entertaining.... Steve > > On the way to work noticed dozens of cops racing by, and two helicopters > circling overhead. Worked my way into my parking lot... next door were parked at > least 20 police cars from various jurisdictions, an APC, and then on the > street/alley next to us dozens more cop cars.... traffic stopped in all > directions at the intersection a half block away.... apparently some stupid bubbas > broke into Office Depot behind us and are now holding hostages.... only in > Melbourne would you break into a place like that.... what happened to banks, > jewelry stores, etc????? > > Guys in camo running behind our property... more security vans moving in by > the moment.... there is a far greater police presence than if the president > was visiting...... I think they may try to run their APC across our property > and I will be pissed off since that is where our septic system is.... > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3288 (20080722) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From ellsworth at fullcircleprintingsolutions.com Tue Jul 22 10:01:33 2008 From: ellsworth at fullcircleprintingsolutions.com (Scott Vicnaire) Date: Tue Jul 22 10:01:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers In-Reply-To: <00b101c8eb88$ba2f70d0$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> References: <00b101c8eb88$ba2f70d0$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> Message-ID: <4885E83D.4010403@fullcircleprintingsolutions.com> Thanks to everyone for the responses, and I'll try to shed a little more perspective on the situation. Our current usage averages @10-15K per month, and the two most common stocks we use are a 70# offset, a 28/32# coated sheet, and an 80# cover. We will have occasional forays into heavier stocks such as 10pt/12pt Kromekote for business cards. I live and work in a physically large state, Maine, with a total population of only @ 1.2 million people, most of those being in the southern counties 2+ hours away. Our immediate area total population is @40,000, with an effective total market of approx. double that before distance becomes a factor. In that area we really only have two options for larger machines, IKON and X-Box, with a third option being the regional Canon dealer I am talking to. We don't have a K/M dealer, IKON sells them with the CCP label on them. IKON sold me the 8050 almost three years ago, and if this copier were a car Maine State law would require that they buy it back from me. Average number of copies between failures is less than 2300 (no, it's not a typo, 2300!) I have been a loyal customer for 10 years, but the only options they are giving me are to take an off-lease 8050 replacement at no charge, or roll the remaining lease AND buyout into a new CCP550 or 650 (KM5500/6500). I don't believe anyone on this list would treat a good customer like that. I know in my business we wouldn't. Xerox in our area doesn't have that great a rep for service. I agree with many of your responses regarding the K/M quality not being that good, and am mostly wondering if I need the speed and stock handling of the KM over the quality and hopefully dependability of the Canons. I'll look into the 5185 PRO release. Sorry for the length and the semi-vent, I'm going back to my mental happy place now. Scott Vicnaire Regal Printing & Graphics Shawn O'Neal wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I recently heard from a dealer that Canon is going to come out with a 5185 > PRO version which will compete with the new Xerox 700 and the KM6500. Both > are basically office copiers with better finishing and paper capabilities > but not much improvement on the image side. As far as the C1, yes it is slow > but what is your volume? There is a local publisher of scientific journals > that runs their C1 constantly 2 shifts and averages 2 calls per month mostly > for consumables like cleaning webs etc. > > I am looking for a new machine and have evaluated the KM6500, X-700 when it > comes out and the Canon 6000 and C1. Due to image quality issues I am pretty > sure the KM machine is not for me. If the X-700 is equivalent to the Doc 252 > samples it has real promise but I need to wait until it is actually > released. The Canon 6000 image quality is amazing as is the C1. I actually > had an ad agency in on a tour and they wanted to take my C1 samples they > were so impressed. > > It sounds like from this board that many folks love the KM machine and I am > just not impressed, I have gained some good customers that left another > local printer running one due to image quality. I have a very good dealer > here and my customers are leading me towards the Canon 6000. We shall see... > > Shawn O'Neal > Conestoga dpi > 246 N Lincoln Ave > Lebanon, PA 17046 > > www.conestogadpi.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:35 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Canon has not been known for their stock handling. The C1 is suppose to be > a whole lot better and the same quality as the bigger 7000 but it only does > 12 copies per minute compared to the 6500 at 65 cpm. So it really depends > on what you want to do with it. If you want production you will never get > much from the C1. I am not sure about the 5185. If it is just the 5100 > with some updates I would not take it if someone gave it to me. :-) > > The 6500 or Ikon 650 will dramatically increase your production and > capabilities over the 8050. How old is the 8050. It has been 4 years since > they have been sold. If that is true it is probably beyond it's production > years anyway. More than three years of a digital copier is just icing on > the cake. (At least the smaller units). > ch > > Charlene Sims > President > The Master's Press, Inc. > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > www.TheMastersPress.com > char@themasterspress.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Vicnaire > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:20 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello, > > Does anyone on the list have any experience with the Canon 5185 color > copier and/or the Canon C1? We have an 8050 which is terrible, and the > vendor isn't being very helpful in getting it replaced. They basically > are giving me a the opportunity to roll the remaining lease into a > CCP550/650 and send the 8050 back. Great way to deal with a lemon, huh? > > Another vendor deals Canons, assures me their stock handling > capabilities are as good as the IKON/KM machines with better quality, > and can put a proposal together for either of the machines above. > > Any insight would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks! > > Scott > > > Regal Printing & Graphics > 265 Water Street > Ellsworth, ME 04605 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 3283 (20080721) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 3284 (20080721) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com Tue Jul 22 10:07:08 2008 From: Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com (Gerry Engelhart) Date: Tue Jul 22 10:07:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 35, Issue 55 In-Reply-To: <20080721220433.7C4DFFEFFFE@rb.enter.net> References: <20080721220433.7C4DFFEFFFE@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <006501c8ec04$3ae52820$7000000a@Engelhart> Arie, Just be careful that the velum bristol mic's out at atleast 9 point or you might have a problem with having it accepted at the post office. Any mfg variance and you could have a problem. We have had this before where the stock was just under its "listed" thickness. The people at the downtown Cleveland P O have been VERY picky lately. Gerry Engelhart Porath Printsource Cleveland ohio Message: 6 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:32:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Arie Teomi Subject: [PrintOwners] Vendor Needed To: Printowners Message-ID: <959559.44553.qm@web83405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I need to print and mail 500,000 Postcards 5.5 x 10 on 67# White VB. I think I am looking for someone with a Web Press in cleveland or in the Great Lakes Area. Any suggestions? Thanks Arie Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:50:18 -0400 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Jul 22 10:08:42 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 22 10:08:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Most excitement since Vietnam Message-ID: In a message dated 7/22/2008 10:00:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, slb@inkspot.net writes: Yours sounds more entertaining.... Not only were there a minimum of 150 police officers (you wouldn't believe the guys dressed in camo outfits)... Anyway, after all of this the robbers got away before the police showed up... the employees had apparently barricaded themselves in some back room (or where locked there) and then kept hearing noises out in the store.... they apparently used their cell phone to call police, but even after the robbers left they thought they kept hearing noises.... So here the police end up surrounding the building on all 16 sides and after getting the alleged hostages out and searching the store with a robot finally realize that the guys had made their get-away before they arrived. I still have no idea what they were planning on doing with armored personnel carrier. I mean really, that is a bit overkill, pardon the pun. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Tue Jul 22 10:18:53 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Tue Jul 22 10:19:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Most excitement since Vietnam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <013001c8ec05$dfed6d90$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Life would be so boring without criminals! Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:09 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Most excitement since Vietnam ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 7/22/2008 10:00:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, slb@inkspot.net writes: Yours sounds more entertaining.... Not only were there a minimum of 150 police officers (you wouldn't believe the guys dressed in camo outfits)... Anyway, after all of this the robbers got away before the police showed up... the employees had apparently barricaded themselves in some back room (or where locked there) and then kept hearing noises out in the store.... they apparently used their cell phone to call police, but even after the robbers left they thought they kept hearing noises.... So here the police end up surrounding the building on all 16 sides and after getting the alleged hostages out and searching the store with a robot finally realize that the guys had made their get-away before they arrived. I still have no idea what they were planning on doing with armored personnel carrier. I mean really, that is a bit overkill, pardon the pun. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Tue Jul 22 10:27:58 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Tue Jul 22 10:28:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] How to sequentially number in Indesign In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <013101c8ec07$24961180$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> 1. Create a text box in Indesign where you want the numbers to go. 2. Create a sequential numbering file in Excel. Put a heading on the column of numbers such as "Number". Save as a CSV file and close. This won't work if you don't close your Excel file. 3. Go to window in Indesign > Automation > Datamerge. Select your CSV file. Complete the merge. Optional. Create a pdf from the resulting file. Handy to print from for several reasons. It's smaller but also if any copies are messed up it's easier to go back and replace them. Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Peter Church Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:14 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Cc: George Stinson Subject: [PrintOwners] How to sequentially number in Indesign ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I know this has been discussed before, but how do I number sequentially in InDesign? I want to do raffle tickets multiple up on an 11 x 17 sheet and then output to our Canon digital press. Do I need to buy a plug-in, if so which one? Thanks, Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Jul 22 10:27:46 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Jul 22 10:29:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] How to sequentially number in Indesign In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200807221429.m6MET3im039651@i2bnetworks.com> We've been using Fusion Pro for sequential numbering lately. Very powerful and you get the whole VDP thing to boot..... S. At 06:13 AM 7/22/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I know this has been discussed before, but how do I number sequentially in >InDesign? I want to do raffle tickets multiple up on an 11 x 17 sheet and >then output to our Canon digital press. > >Do I need to buy a plug-in, if so which one? > >Thanks, > >Peter Church >Keystone Press, LLC >9 Old Falls Road >Manchester, NH 03103 >phone: 603-622-5222 >fax: 603-622-9432 >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3288 (20080722) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From greg at pressexpress.org Tue Jul 22 10:31:46 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Tue Jul 22 10:31:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] How to sequentially number in Indesign In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38C745CB-CBC4-454C-801F-1D3807530F1E@pressexpress.org> Someone on this list recommended a Mac program called Easy Number. You create a pdf from inDesign, import it into Easy Number, set your numbering sequence up and copy/number the image the same time as you number. Works really slick! Greg On Jul 22, 2008, at 8:13 AM, Peter Church wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I know this has been discussed before, but how do I number > sequentially in > InDesign? I want to do raffle tickets multiple up on an 11 x 17 > sheet and > then output to our Canon digital press. > > Do I need to buy a plug-in, if so which one? > > Thanks, > > Peter Church > Keystone Press, LLC > 9 Old Falls Road > Manchester, NH 03103 > phone: 603-622-5222 > fax: 603-622-9432 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From soneal at conestogadpi.com Tue Jul 22 10:38:11 2008 From: soneal at conestogadpi.com (Shawn O'Neal) Date: Tue Jul 22 10:36:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers In-Reply-To: <4885E83D.4010403@fullcircleprintingsolutions.com> Message-ID: <004701c8ec08$913ac320$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> Scott, At your volume even the C1 would sit idle quite often. With the 5185PRO being an unknown at this point why not corner the market with quality. Don't forget the C1 runs b&w at 60 ppm all stocks. We just did 350 52 page yearbooks 4/4 cover and b&w guts on 80# gloss. The C1 would be perfect for this and the output would be photobook quality. I would make sure the dealer has a good properly trained tech to work on it. Shawn O'Neal Conestoga dpi 246 N Lincoln Ave Lebanon, PA 17046 www.conestogadpi.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Vicnaire Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:02 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thanks to everyone for the responses, and I'll try to shed a little more perspective on the situation. Our current usage averages @10-15K per month, and the two most common stocks we use are a 70# offset, a 28/32# coated sheet, and an 80# cover. We will have occasional forays into heavier stocks such as 10pt/12pt Kromekote for business cards. I live and work in a physically large state, Maine, with a total population of only @ 1.2 million people, most of those being in the southern counties 2+ hours away. Our immediate area total population is @40,000, with an effective total market of approx. double that before distance becomes a factor. In that area we really only have two options for larger machines, IKON and X-Box, with a third option being the regional Canon dealer I am talking to. We don't have a K/M dealer, IKON sells them with the CCP label on them. IKON sold me the 8050 almost three years ago, and if this copier were a car Maine State law would require that they buy it back from me. Average number of copies between failures is less than 2300 (no, it's not a typo, 2300!) I have been a loyal customer for 10 years, but the only options they are giving me are to take an off-lease 8050 replacement at no charge, or roll the remaining lease AND buyout into a new CCP550 or 650 (KM5500/6500). I don't believe anyone on this list would treat a good customer like that. I know in my business we wouldn't. Xerox in our area doesn't have that great a rep for service. I agree with many of your responses regarding the K/M quality not being that good, and am mostly wondering if I need the speed and stock handling of the KM over the quality and hopefully dependability of the Canons. I'll look into the 5185 PRO release. Sorry for the length and the semi-vent, I'm going back to my mental happy place now. Scott Vicnaire Regal Printing & Graphics Shawn O'Neal wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I recently heard from a dealer that Canon is going to come out with a 5185 > PRO version which will compete with the new Xerox 700 and the KM6500. Both > are basically office copiers with better finishing and paper capabilities > but not much improvement on the image side. As far as the C1, yes it is slow > but what is your volume? There is a local publisher of scientific journals > that runs their C1 constantly 2 shifts and averages 2 calls per month mostly > for consumables like cleaning webs etc. > > I am looking for a new machine and have evaluated the KM6500, X-700 when it > comes out and the Canon 6000 and C1. Due to image quality issues I am pretty > sure the KM machine is not for me. If the X-700 is equivalent to the Doc 252 > samples it has real promise but I need to wait until it is actually > released. The Canon 6000 image quality is amazing as is the C1. I actually > had an ad agency in on a tour and they wanted to take my C1 samples they > were so impressed. > > It sounds like from this board that many folks love the KM machine and I am > just not impressed, I have gained some good customers that left another > local printer running one due to image quality. I have a very good dealer > here and my customers are leading me towards the Canon 6000. We shall see... > > Shawn O'Neal > Conestoga dpi > 246 N Lincoln Ave > Lebanon, PA 17046 > > www.conestogadpi.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:35 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Canon has not been known for their stock handling. The C1 is suppose to be > a whole lot better and the same quality as the bigger 7000 but it only does > 12 copies per minute compared to the 6500 at 65 cpm. So it really depends > on what you want to do with it. If you want production you will never get > much from the C1. I am not sure about the 5185. If it is just the 5100 > with some updates I would not take it if someone gave it to me. :-) > > The 6500 or Ikon 650 will dramatically increase your production and > capabilities over the 8050. How old is the 8050. It has been 4 years since > they have been sold. If that is true it is probably beyond it's production > years anyway. More than three years of a digital copier is just icing on > the cake. (At least the smaller units). > ch > > Charlene Sims > President > The Master's Press, Inc. > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > www.TheMastersPress.com > char@themasterspress.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Vicnaire > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:20 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello, > > Does anyone on the list have any experience with the Canon 5185 color > copier and/or the Canon C1? We have an 8050 which is terrible, and the > vendor isn't being very helpful in getting it replaced. They basically > are giving me a the opportunity to roll the remaining lease into a > CCP550/650 and send the 8050 back. Great way to deal with a lemon, huh? > > Another vendor deals Canons, assures me their stock handling > capabilities are as good as the IKON/KM machines with better quality, > and can put a proposal together for either of the machines above. > > Any insight would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks! > > Scott > > > Regal Printing & Graphics > 265 Water Street > Ellsworth, ME 04605 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 3283 (20080721) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 3284 (20080721) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Jul 22 10:53:54 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 22 10:54:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CAGE Code follow-up Message-ID: Yesterday, I asked if anyone was familiar with a CAGE Code. Suddenly, a supplier (defense contractor) said they need our CAGE Code (as if we had any idea what it was) in order to issue a very nice contract... 300-400,000 copies per month for many months! Anyway, the CAGE Code is a five digit code that is issued by Defense Logistics Information Service. You just wouldn't believe all the pages and info that needed to be looked up. Of course, it involves government developed software to apply for this number and of course the software does not work properly.... there is a paste same-info feature that is designed to assist re-entering the same basic data a dozen or so times but it is the clunkiest I have ever seen.... the only good thing is that it would not let you continue until you had everything perfect... page after page after page.... probably took 45 minutes to complete, and that was after looking up various codes like special SIC codes but drawn from other lists and services. Well, we should have the Code in about 48 hours so I no longer need help! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From char at themasterspress.com Tue Jul 22 10:58:42 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue Jul 22 10:58:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] ISBN knowledge? Message-ID: I have a customer wanting me to print some books and use MY ISBN #. I don't have one. Never been asked before. Have looked up info on it but what I can't find out or see is why would a small customer, (not short) Want an ISBN # for 100 books. If it is copyrighted, what is the need for an ISBN number. Has someone just told them they needed it - therefore they want it. Any info would be helpful. Thanks ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com From randy at actionprintingokc.com Tue Jul 22 11:00:38 2008 From: randy at actionprintingokc.com (Randy McConnell) Date: Tue Jul 22 11:00:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 10 x 13 pink catalog envelopes Message-ID: Does anyone have a source for 10 x 13 pink 24# catalog envelopes? Thanks Randy Randy McConnell Action Printing 1429 W. Main Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 73106 405-235-5956 Fax 405-235-5961 randy@actionprintingokc.com www.actionprintingokc.com From char at themasterspress.com Tue Jul 22 11:10:35 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue Jul 22 11:10:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers In-Reply-To: <4885E83D.4010403@fullcircleprintingsolutions.com> References: <00b101c8eb88$ba2f70d0$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> <4885E83D.4010403@fullcircleprintingsolutions.com> Message-ID: <8CC352B6AD6F426B95EDFF17BFA86794@CharXP> Scott, if I might make a few comments. The 8050 certainly had it's problems, and it surprises me that Ikon would sell you one three years ago because of the C500 replacing it at that time. But it was done and can't change that. Did you get a 4 or 5 year lease. That might be part of the issue in having so much to pay out. A couple of things to consider. You said you only did 10-15 a month. I was doing that when I brought my C500 and within the next month it increased to 25M a month - 11 x 17 whereas before it was quite a mix. I would only do BC on 8.5 x 11 because of registration. Now I do them on 12 x 18. So I think with the capabilities of the 6500 you can do more, faster and your quantity WILL increase significantly because of the ability to run heavy stocks and duplex and the registration. Don't know what the click are that you are paying right now, but that could also make a difference. I would encourage you to run some numbers on what you do now and some possibilities with new click charges. Some people have found that the savings in clicks makes up for the extra payment you would make. Unless you can get the big guns, like a big Canon I don't believe there is a better machine for the price and the speed and the quality than the 6500 or CPP 650. Some have talked about the quality not being good, but I sell this quality everyday and 90% of the people cannot tell how it was printed. I pass it for 4 color all day every day and think the quality is excellent. JMHO. Hope this helps. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3288 (20080722) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From tracey at targetcopy.com Tue Jul 22 11:13:33 2008 From: tracey at targetcopy.com (Tracey Cohen) Date: Tue Jul 22 11:14:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] ISBN knowledge? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003301c8ec0d$83f9b810$8bed2830$@com> Hey Charlene - ISBN numbers are assigned by the Library of Congress. You'll need to fill out a form and submit a small fee (around $40). It's a lot less of a hassle than it seems - just go to http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-register.html#register and it will step you through the process. I also found this information - as far as I know, we have always gone directly through the Library of Congress, but it looks like there are lots of agencies out there who will help you through the process. http://www.isbn.org/standards/home/isbn/us/isbnqa.asp#Q1 We have done this a few times for our professors who are looking to self-publish. Tracey Tracey G. Cohen Target Copy 850.224.3007 850.325.3668 fax 635 West Tennessee Street Tallahassee, Fl 32304 www.targetcopy.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:59 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] ISBN knowledge? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a customer wanting me to print some books and use MY ISBN #. I don't have one. Never been asked before. Have looked up info on it but what I can't find out or see is why would a small customer, (not short) Want an ISBN # for 100 books. If it is copyrighted, what is the need for an ISBN number. Has someone just told them they needed it - therefore they want it. Any info would be helpful. Thanks ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpc at clearnet.net Tue Jul 22 11:15:57 2008 From: cpc at clearnet.net (Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc.) Date: Tue Jul 22 11:15:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 10 x 13 pink catalog envelopes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4885F9AD.9000007@clearnet.net> Western States Product Number 5095 10x13-28lb Open End Catalog Envelope http://www.westernstatesenvelope.com/ Randy Hurley Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 17 South Third Street P.O. Box 23 Clearfield, PA 16830 814-765-4731 Fax: 814-765-1380 cpc@clearnet.net Randy McConnell wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Does anyone have a source for 10 x 13 pink 24# catalog envelopes? > >Thanks Randy > > > >Randy McConnell > >Action Printing > >1429 W. Main > >Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 73106 > >405-235-5956 > >Fax 405-235-5961 > >randy@actionprintingokc.com > >www.actionprintingokc.com > > From tracey at targetcopy.com Tue Jul 22 11:23:17 2008 From: tracey at targetcopy.com (Tracey Cohen) Date: Tue Jul 22 11:23:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] ISBN knowledge? In-Reply-To: <003301c8ec0d$83f9b810$8bed2830$@com> References: <003301c8ec0d$83f9b810$8bed2830$@com> Message-ID: <003f01c8ec0e$dfa06ff0$9ee14fd0$@com> Charlene, I was misinformed...I apologize. You can register works through the Library of Congress for copyright protection, but ISBN numbers are assigned by R.R. Bowker. Here is the link to get it done: http://www.isbn.org/standards/home/isbn/us/secureapp.asp Tracey G. Cohen Target Copy 850.224.3007 850.325.3668 fax 635 West Tennessee Street Tallahassee, Fl 32304 www.targetcopy.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tracey Cohen Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:14 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Cc: 'Copyright' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] ISBN knowledge? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hey Charlene - ISBN numbers are assigned by the Library of Congress. You'll need to fill out a form and submit a small fee (around $40). It's a lot less of a hassle than it seems - just go to http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-register.html#register and it will step you through the process. I also found this information - as far as I know, we have always gone directly through the Library of Congress, but it looks like there are lots of agencies out there who will help you through the process. http://www.isbn.org/standards/home/isbn/us/isbnqa.asp#Q1 We have done this a few times for our professors who are looking to self-publish. Tracey Tracey G. Cohen Target Copy 850.224.3007 850.325.3668 fax 635 West Tennessee Street Tallahassee, Fl 32304 www.targetcopy.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:59 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] ISBN knowledge? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a customer wanting me to print some books and use MY ISBN #. I don't have one. Never been asked before. Have looked up info on it but what I can't find out or see is why would a small customer, (not short) Want an ISBN # for 100 books. If it is copyrighted, what is the need for an ISBN number. Has someone just told them they needed it - therefore they want it. Any info would be helpful. Thanks ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From slb at inkspot.net Tue Jul 22 11:46:06 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Jul 22 11:46:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] ISBN knowledge? In-Reply-To: <003f01c8ec0e$dfa06ff0$9ee14fd0$@com> References: , <003301c8ec0d$83f9b810$8bed2830$@com>, <003f01c8ec0e$dfa06ff0$9ee14fd0$@com> Message-ID: <4885C87E.24908.371B406F@slb.inkspot.net> It used to be that you could buy a block of 10, 100, 1000, or more ISBNs (International Standard Book Numbers). While it may no longer be the case, I was advised several years ago to recommend buying a block of 100, rather than 10, even if your customer is only publishing one book. The pattern of digits, dashes, and spaces differs with the block size, so, if you buy a block of 10, it is immediately apparent to a bookstore's buyer that you are likely to be a one-item vendor, and will probably find it difficult to get bookstores to stock your book. The person who recommended buying at least 100 thought it so important that it was worth buying a second order of 100 if RW Bowker assigned you a block of 10 the first time around. With Amazon.com willing to sell books on consignment for small-time authors, this advice may no longer be relevant--I'm not sure. You MUST have an ISBN, though, because almost all booksellers use it as a stock number. HTH, Steve > > Charlene, I was misinformed...I apologize. You can register works through > the Library of Congress for copyright protection, but ISBN numbers are > assigned by R.R. Bowker. Here is the link to get it done: > http://www.isbn.org/standards/home/isbn/us/secureapp.asp > > > > Tracey G. Cohen > Target Copy > 850.224.3007 > 850.325.3668 fax > 635 West Tennessee Street > Tallahassee, Fl 32304 > www.targetcopy.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tracey Cohen > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:14 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Cc: 'Copyright' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] ISBN knowledge? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hey Charlene - > > ISBN numbers are assigned by the Library of Congress. You'll need to fill > out a form and submit a small fee (around $40). It's a lot less of a hassle > than it seems - just go to > http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-register.html#register and it will > step you through the process. > > I also found this information - as far as I know, we have always gone > directly through the Library of Congress, but it looks like there are lots > of agencies out there who will help you through the process. > > http://www.isbn.org/standards/home/isbn/us/isbnqa.asp#Q1 > > > We have done this a few times for our professors who are looking to > self-publish. > > Tracey > > > Tracey G. Cohen > Target Copy > 850.224.3007 > 850.325.3668 fax > 635 West Tennessee Street > Tallahassee, Fl 32304 > www.targetcopy.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:59 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] ISBN knowledge? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a customer wanting me to print some books and use MY ISBN #. I don't > have one. > > Never been asked before. Have looked up info on it but what I can't find > out or see is why would a small customer, (not short) > > Want an ISBN # for 100 books. If it is copyrighted, what is the need for an > ISBN number. Has someone just told them they needed it - therefore they > want it. > > Any info would be helpful. > > Thanks > > ch > > > > Charlene Sims > > President > > The Master's Press, Inc. > > 14550 Midway Road > > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > > www.TheMastersPress.com > > char@themasterspress.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3288 (20080722) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From margaret at designotype.com Tue Jul 22 12:02:39 2008 From: margaret at designotype.com (margaret@designotype.com) Date: Tue Jul 22 12:02:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] fonts on a new IMAC Message-ID: <47498.192.168.1.71.1216742559.webmail@192.168.1.71> where do the fonts belong on an IMAC to be available to all programs? is a font program necessary? thanks, margaret Designotype Printers, Inc. 906-482-2424 906-482-2266 fax We are the only printer in the 4 county area that provides a written Per4mance Pledge ensuring that you are completely satisfied with projects printed at Designotype Printers, Inc. From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Jul 22 12:06:32 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Jul 22 12:07:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers In-Reply-To: <004701c8ec08$913ac320$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> References: <4885E83D.4010403@fullcircleprintingsolutions.com> <004701c8ec08$913ac320$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> Message-ID: <200807221607.m6MG7nu0063317@i2bnetworks.com> A couple of thoughts.... The KM 6500 has very good quality output if serviced correctly. Mind you the C1 may have better, and the 6000 or 7000 may be better as well. But let me add some perspective... The C1 is dog slow. Unproductive in today's digital world. Look at the ad for it, a picky designer wanting her colors just right. It is not a production machine. Its a proofer. Canon has the demographics on that machine nailed. The 6500 costs less than half of the 7000. For that price you could have 2 giving redundancy and a 600,000 impressions/month production capacity. If you can sell 600,000 impressions/month for an average of $0.30 a click that equates to revenue of $180,000/month not bad if you can sell to it. I'm using this as an extreme example to consider the following. Run the ROI on the 6500 an then run the ROI on the 7000 it becomes abundantly clear where you can make more money. Not everyone you sell to is an agency demanding the highest, pickiest output. Frankly we don't have many agencies these days because I don't make nearly the $ on them nor have nearly the amount of headaches as I do most the rest of my corporate accounts. Craig is the opposite. He's made a good run at the agencies, but he has an IGen. Thats a different discussion. Another thing to consider....if the C500 output was good enough to win last years PrintExcellence award, and the 6500 has better output than the C500....how much quality do you really need? Its all about making a profit, and the 6500, if sold to correctly will pay for itself much faster than a 7000. Once again, remember the mantra service, service, service, its all about the service. But if you have good service, the KM 6500 with a CREO-RIP and reasonably good sales ability, you make money hand over fist. I believe Canon has seriously lost their way in their product offering.... S. At 07:38 AM 7/22/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Scott, > >At your volume even the C1 would sit idle quite often. With the 5185PRO >being an unknown at this point why not corner the market with quality. Don't >forget the C1 runs b&w at 60 ppm all stocks. We just did 350 52 page >yearbooks 4/4 cover and b&w guts on 80# gloss. The C1 would be perfect for >this and the output would be photobook quality. > >I would make sure the dealer has a good properly trained tech to work on it. > >Shawn O'Neal >Conestoga dpi >246 N Lincoln Ave >Lebanon, PA 17046 > >www.conestogadpi.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Vicnaire >Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:02 AM >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Thanks to everyone for the responses, and I'll try to shed a little more >perspective on the situation. > >Our current usage averages @10-15K per month, and the two most common >stocks we use are a 70# offset, a 28/32# coated sheet, and an 80# cover. >We will have occasional forays into heavier stocks such as 10pt/12pt >Kromekote for business cards. I live and work in a physically large >state, Maine, with a total population of only @ 1.2 million people, most >of those being in the southern counties 2+ hours away. Our immediate >area total population is @40,000, with an effective total market of >approx. double that before distance becomes a factor. > >In that area we really only have two options for larger machines, IKON >and X-Box, with a third option being the regional Canon dealer I am >talking to. We don't have a K/M dealer, IKON sells them with the CCP >label on them. IKON sold me the 8050 almost three years ago, and if this >copier were a car Maine State law would require that they buy it back >from me. Average number of copies between failures is less than 2300 >(no, it's not a typo, 2300!) I have been a loyal customer for 10 years, >but the only options they are giving me are to take an off-lease 8050 >replacement at no charge, or roll the remaining lease AND buyout into a >new CCP550 or 650 (KM5500/6500). I don't believe anyone on this list >would treat a good customer like that. I know in my business we >wouldn't. Xerox in our area doesn't have that great a rep for service. > >I agree with many of your responses regarding the K/M quality not being >that good, and am mostly wondering if I need the speed and stock >handling of the KM over the quality and hopefully dependability of the >Canons. I'll look into the 5185 PRO release. > >Sorry for the length and the semi-vent, I'm going back to my mental >happy place now. > >Scott Vicnaire > >Regal Printing & Graphics > > > > >Shawn O'Neal wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > I recently heard from a dealer that Canon is going to come out with a 5185 > > PRO version which will compete with the new Xerox 700 and the KM6500. Both > > are basically office copiers with better finishing and paper capabilities > > but not much improvement on the image side. As far as the C1, yes it is >slow > > but what is your volume? There is a local publisher of scientific journals > > that runs their C1 constantly 2 shifts and averages 2 calls per month >mostly > > for consumables like cleaning webs etc. > > > > I am looking for a new machine and have evaluated the KM6500, X-700 when >it > > comes out and the Canon 6000 and C1. Due to image quality issues I am >pretty > > sure the KM machine is not for me. If the X-700 is equivalent to the Doc >252 > > samples it has real promise but I need to wait until it is actually > > released. The Canon 6000 image quality is amazing as is the C1. I actually > > had an ad agency in on a tour and they wanted to take my C1 samples they > > were so impressed. > > > > It sounds like from this board that many folks love the KM machine and I >am > > just not impressed, I have gained some good customers that left another > > local printer running one due to image quality. I have a very good dealer > > here and my customers are leading me towards the Canon 6000. We shall >see... > > > > Shawn O'Neal > > Conestoga dpi > > 246 N Lincoln Ave > > Lebanon, PA 17046 > > > > www.conestogadpi.com > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims > > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:35 AM > > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Canon has not been known for their stock handling. The C1 is suppose to >be > > a whole lot better and the same quality as the bigger 7000 but it only >does > > 12 copies per minute compared to the 6500 at 65 cpm. So it really depends > > on what you want to do with it. If you want production you will never get > > much from the C1. I am not sure about the 5185. If it is just the 5100 > > with some updates I would not take it if someone gave it to me. :-) > > > > The 6500 or Ikon 650 will dramatically increase your production and > > capabilities over the 8050. How old is the 8050. It has been 4 years >since > > they have been sold. If that is true it is probably beyond it's >production > > years anyway. More than three years of a digital copier is just icing on > > the cake. (At least the smaller units). > > ch > > > > Charlene Sims > > President > > The Master's Press, Inc. > > 14550 Midway Road > > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > > www.TheMastersPress.com > > char@themasterspress.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Vicnaire > > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:20 AM > > To: printowners@printweb.org > > Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon copiers > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Hello, > > > > Does anyone on the list have any experience with the Canon 5185 color > > copier and/or the Canon C1? We have an 8050 which is terrible, and the > > vendor isn't being very helpful in getting it replaced. They basically > > are giving me a the opportunity to roll the remaining lease into a > > CCP550/650 and send the 8050 back. Great way to deal with a lemon, huh? > > > > Another vendor deals Canons, assures me their stock handling > > capabilities are as good as the IKON/KM machines with better quality, > > and can put a proposal together for either of the machines above. > > > > Any insight would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Scott > > > > > > Regal Printing & Graphics > > 265 Water Street > > Ellsworth, ME 04605 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature > > database 3283 (20080721) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature > > database 3284 (20080721) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3288 (20080722) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Tue Jul 22 12:11:20 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Tue Jul 22 12:11:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] ISBN knowledge? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <013801c8ec15$954dc770$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Charlene My impression is that publishers get their own ISBN numbers which makes more sense to me. Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:59 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] ISBN knowledge? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a customer wanting me to print some books and use MY ISBN #. I don't have one. Never been asked before. Have looked up info on it but what I can't find out or see is why would a small customer, (not short) Want an ISBN # for 100 books. If it is copyrighted, what is the need for an ISBN number. Has someone just told them they needed it - therefore they want it. Any info would be helpful. Thanks ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Jul 22 12:20:31 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 22 12:20:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] ISBN knowledge? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/22/2008 12:13:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com writes: Want an ISBN # for 100 books. If it is copyrighted, what is the need for an ISBN number. Has someone just told them they needed it - therefore they want it. If you ever intend to sell a book (and print on demand) through Amazon or many other places you need the ISBN number because that generates a barcode that can be printed with or without a price. Most distributors require the ISBN number to carry the book. It is a pretty simply process but it is the duty of the customer who is the publisher, not the printer, to obtain the number. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From swiftyprinting at mac.com Tue Jul 22 12:40:54 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Tue Jul 22 12:41:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] fonts on a new IMAC In-Reply-To: <47498.192.168.1.71.1216742559.webmail@192.168.1.71> References: <47498.192.168.1.71.1216742559.webmail@192.168.1.71> Message-ID: <3AC091B7-1A56-4F7B-9CC6-E08D68D0A31A@mac.com> On Jul 22, 2008, at 12:02 PM, margaret@designotype.com wrote: > > where do the fonts belong on an IMAC to be available to all programs? > is a font program necessary? Macs Font Book is not the best way to manage fonts, so I would suggest Extensis Suitcase Fusion. It is handles the fonts in and out easily, manages postscript, true type and windows trutype fonts. It works like a database so it will not slow the operating system down even if have thousands of fonts. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From falconprinting at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 14:29:16 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Tue Jul 22 14:29:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Entourage problem In-Reply-To: <3AC091B7-1A56-4F7B-9CC6-E08D68D0A31A@mac.com> Message-ID: I'm getting an error when I click on my "Sent" mail box, and it says I don't have enough memory to open the folder. Any ideas? I have enough memory, and have tried to delete old/unnecessary emails, and restarted the computer. From david at commercialpressink.com Tue Jul 22 14:37:17 2008 From: david at commercialpressink.com (David Charleson) Date: Tue Jul 22 14:32:51 2008 Subject: SPAM-MED: Re: [PrintOwners] Most excitement since Vietnam {OFF} In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <488628DD.60905@commercialpressink.com> > > > > Not only were there a minimum of 150 police officers (you wouldn't believe > the guys dressed in camo outfits)... > > I mean really, that is a bit > overkill, pardon the pun. > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > Sounds like that took place in Upstate NY! Hell you get pulled over for speeding and you have half the police force in the county on the scene. A few years ago my son was pulled over on his brand new Harley and 4 cop cars 8 officers from different agencies had him out giving him the third degree and 8 tickets later they let him go.......all because he was going 45 in a 30 just before the change in speed sign (known trap). and he wouldnt tell the names of the other riders who didnt stop. Small town USA here the police know my family and my son they knew who he was riding with they were just brusshing thier egos trying to play tough cop!!......our little town (@ 5000)had 2 bank robberies within a few months of each other in the middle of the day......and 2 years later they still havent solved them. It was like John said ,cops everywhere, helicopters overhead, dogs on the ground cops running around like chickens with there heads cut off stopping everybody and everything that moved. You would think with todays forensics that you would be able to catch the culprits with out the show of force on the scene looking like the keystone cops!!! Sorry for the rant...but to me its a huge waste of taxpayers money every time someone gets pulled over up here and you have anywhere from 2-6 officers on the scene....i understand the importance of protection......but way over the top!! -- David Charleson Commercial Press Inc. 216 Cowan Rd Canton NY 13617 P 315.386.3431 david@commercialpressink.com www.commercialpressink.com From dvmonto at optonline.net Tue Jul 22 14:43:38 2008 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Tue Jul 22 15:14:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Entourage problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Have you backed up and rebuilt your database? Entourage X First go to Entourage -> Turn Off Office Notifications. Now, quit Entourage, and then restart Entourage holding down the Option key. When the Rebuild dialog box comes up, choose to do a Typical Rebuild. If that does not fix the problem, repeat the procedure, instead opting to do the Advanced Rebuild. Most of the serious problems you might encounter will require an Advanced Rebuild. http://home.earthlink.net/~mickey.stevens/tutorials/rebuilddatabase.html -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net -- "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 On 7/22/08 2:29 PM, "Borzou Azabdaftari" wrote: > I'm getting an error when I click on my "Sent" mail box, and it says I don't > have enough memory to open the folder. Any ideas? I have enough memory, and > have tried to delete old/unnecessary emails, and restarted the computer. From steveprint at aol.com Tue Jul 22 04:14:21 2008 From: steveprint at aol.com (StevePrint) Date: Tue Jul 22 16:13:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Entourage problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8b42b3cd.220c.4a74.b0a8.9aa238f84f81@aol.com> Get an application called Regcure and run it daily. This fixes the broken links and clears out junk. Make sure cache and cookies are cleared. Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions In a message dated 07/22/08 11:30:23 Pacific Daylight Time, falconprinting@gmail.com writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I'm getting an error when I click on my "Sent" mail box, and it says I don't have enough memory to open the folder. Any ideas? I have enough memory, and have tried to delete old/unnecessary emails, and restarted the computer. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Tue Jul 22 16:18:27 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Tue Jul 22 16:19:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] How to sequentially number in Indesign In-Reply-To: <013101c8ec07$24961180$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> References: <013101c8ec07$24961180$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: I agree with Gordon, but want to add 1 thing. Put the data that is static (the same on all printouts) on the master page. I believe that will reduce the ripping time. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gordon Watt Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:28 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] How to sequentially number in Indesign ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** 1. Create a text box in Indesign where you want the numbers to go. 2. Create a sequential numbering file in Excel. Put a heading on the column of numbers such as "Number". Save as a CSV file and close. This won't work if you don't close your Excel file. 3. Go to window in Indesign > Automation > Datamerge. Select your CSV file. Complete the merge. Optional. Create a pdf from the resulting file. Handy to print from for several reasons. It's smaller but also if any copies are messed up it's easier to go back and replace them. Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Peter Church Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:14 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Cc: George Stinson Subject: [PrintOwners] How to sequentially number in Indesign ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I know this has been discussed before, but how do I number sequentially in InDesign? I want to do raffle tickets multiple up on an 11 x 17 sheet and then output to our Canon digital press. Do I need to buy a plug-in, if so which one? Thanks, Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From falconprinting at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 16:59:55 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Tue Jul 22 17:00:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Entourage problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Perfect. Thanks to David and Steve. > From: David Monto > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:43:38 -0400 > To: Printowners > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Entourage problem > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Have you backed up and rebuilt your database? > > Entourage X > First go to Entourage -> Turn Off Office Notifications. Now, quit Entourage, > and then restart Entourage holding down the Option key. When the Rebuild > dialog box comes up, choose to do a Typical Rebuild. If that does not fix > the problem, repeat the procedure, instead opting to do the Advanced > Rebuild. Most of the serious problems you might encounter will require an > Advanced Rebuild. > > http://home.earthlink.net/~mickey.stevens/tutorials/rebuilddatabase.html > > > -- > David V. Monto > > Sir Speedy Printing > 1837 South Road > Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 > > Phone:845-298-8898 > Fax: 845-298-8537 > email: dvmonto@optonline.net > -- > "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." > - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 > > > > > On 7/22/08 2:29 PM, "Borzou Azabdaftari" wrote: > >> I'm getting an error when I click on my "Sent" mail box, and it says I don't >> have enough memory to open the folder. Any ideas? I have enough memory, and >> have tried to delete old/unnecessary emails, and restarted the computer. > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Tue Jul 22 17:51:39 2008 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Tue Jul 22 17:52:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ripit Film Message-ID: <004f01c8ec45$20bc77a0$042967d3@kp4> Good Evening, We are currently calling for best pricing on Ripit material. Can anyone give me some of the vendors you use? Thanks so much........Linda Linda Baribeau Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. 2041 West Mill Road Glendale, WI 53209 Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Tue Jul 22 18:09:18 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Tue Jul 22 18:10:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ripit Film In-Reply-To: <004f01c8ec45$20bc77a0$042967d3@kp4> References: <004f01c8ec45$20bc77a0$042967d3@kp4> Message-ID: RIPit. We are buying from them and getting the maintenance contract as part of it. We were using Mueller Graphics down in your part of the state but RIPit was extremely close to that price, even without the maintenance figured in. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Linda Baribeau Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:52 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Ripit Film ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Good Evening, We are currently calling for best pricing on Ripit material. Can anyone give me some of the vendors you use? Thanks so much........Linda Linda Baribeau Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. 2041 West Mill Road Glendale, WI 53209 Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From si at ria.net Tue Jul 22 21:59:41 2008 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Tue Jul 22 22:01:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Sepiatone PMS Ink Favorites Message-ID: <20080722190036.33B92F9@sj1-dm102.mta.everyone.net> We're printing some 2-sided business cards on C2S Kromkote cover with one side being a 19th century photograph of a baseball player. For a number of reasons, this has to be printed in one PMS ink to resemble a sepia photographic print, rather than our preferred duotone approach. We're working with a decent quality grayscale file. Can anybody recommend a favorite PMS ink based on your past experience with single color sepiatone reproduction? Preference is probably a bit more on the brown side than yellow. Doug Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From bcreighton at danielsprinting.us Tue Jul 22 22:48:50 2008 From: bcreighton at danielsprinting.us (Bill) Date: Tue Jul 22 22:49:16 2008 Subject: SPAM-LOW: [PrintOwners] Sepiatone PMS Ink Favorites In-Reply-To: <20080722190036.33B92F9@sj1-dm102.mta.everyone.net> References: <20080722190036.33B92F9@sj1-dm102.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <48869C12.9000003@danielsprinting.us> This might help: * Adobe recommends setting /Hue = 27 and Saturation = 21/ and checking the Colorize box in the Hue/Saturation filter in Photoshop ^[2] Doug Shelton wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We're printing some 2-sided business cards on C2S Kromkote > cover with one side being a 19th century photograph of a > baseball player. > > For a number of reasons, this has to be printed in one PMS > ink to resemble a sepia photographic print, rather than our > preferred duotone approach. We're working with a decent > quality grayscale file. > > Can anybody recommend a favorite PMS ink based on your past > experience with single color sepiatone reproduction? > Preference is probably a bit more on the brown side than yellow. > > Doug > > > Doug Shelton > Superior Impressions, Inc. > Toledo, Ohio > mailto:si@ria.net > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From slb at inkspot.net Tue Jul 22 23:19:24 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Jul 22 23:20:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] How to sequentially number in Indesign In-Reply-To: <200807221429.m6MET3im039651@i2bnetworks.com> References: , <200807221429.m6MET3im039651@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <48866AFC.24201.17C9A0C@slb.inkspot.net> Ditto that recommendation. In fact, our orignal purchase of Fusion Pro was justified by one large digital printing and numbering job. We could have hacked about in Indesign, or bought a numbering program, but buying Fusion Pro gave us full variable-data capabilities at no additional cost, the price of the program was significantly less than the billing for the numbering, the printing and numbering were done at the same time, and the cut-and-stack feature (along with a programmable cutter) meant the job moved from the output of the digital printer to the shipping boxes. YMMV, Steve > > > We've been using Fusion Pro for sequential numbering lately. > > Very powerful and you get the whole VDP thing to boot..... > > S. > > > > At 06:13 AM 7/22/2008, you wrote: > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >I know this has been discussed before, but how do I number sequentially in > >InDesign? I want to do raffle tickets multiple up on an 11 x 17 sheet and > >then output to our Canon digital press. > > > >Do I need to buy a plug-in, if so which one? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Peter Church > >Keystone Press, LLC > >9 Old Falls Road > >Manchester, NH 03103 > >phone: 603-622-5222 > >fax: 603-622-9432 > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >__________ NOD32 3288 (20080722) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.eset.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3288 (20080722) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From braddpotter at juno.com Wed Jul 23 03:08:26 2008 From: braddpotter at juno.com (Brad Potter) Date: Wed Jul 23 03:09:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Engineering copies, expanding market or contracting market.? Message-ID: <20080723.000826.13816.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> I am trying to decide whether to upgrade our engineering copier and try to expand the black engineering copier business or not. We had one for a few years, but it seems to not be a big thing for us, or a growth area. It seems the people that come in for it do not buy anything else, it is fine for me for those people to go to the UPS store. But I see some big jobs too. Are we making money on it as an industry? Is it something that will grow in the coming years, or will people be publishing these things to usb fobs that will be cheaper than the copies. HEY, publish your book to a USB fob, we can do it here! We have a Ricoh 240 which seems slow to me. I timed myself, and when doing a stack I can only do 2 a minute. So if a customer wants 10 copies of 10 originals for example, it takes five minutes to scan the originals, and then they print from memory, but I still have to stand there and watch them come out. It is connected, but scanning to the computer and then printing does not seem efficient, so I can scan and sort. So, are printshops going after that market? Make sense to upgrade? Brad Potter Printing Services Inc. www.myprintsource.net Your Printing Super Hero 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A Port Orchard, WA 98366 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! ____________________________________________________________ Internet Security Software - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mEWrcj2N2nMD96aRnRTrWvKrFwLPD3d3h8iBV9OkCkY1LGs/ From craig at portageprinting.com Wed Jul 23 07:17:22 2008 From: craig at portageprinting.com (Craig Vestal) Date: Wed Jul 23 07:17:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] MSN Messenger References: <20080723020129.DADE4FF2B22@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <001f01c8ecb5$ae8e82b0$9d140a0a@CraigNotebook> We had a series of problems last week: our phone lines were cut accidently by a construction crew, and then the next day we lost our internet connection due to a conflict between our anti virus software and an automatic update by Microsoft. Everything has been resolved now pretty much, except for my instant messaging. I am stumped! When using MSN messenger, the text that I type disappears the minute I hit "enter". It is visible to the recipient, but the incoming text is still invisible to me. Changing fonts and display colors does no good. Blank screen inside the message window. Does anyone have any insights? Thanks! Craig Vestal President Portage Printing 1116 W Centre, Portage, MI 49024 269.323.9333 PortagePrinting.com From prtquick at eos.net Wed Jul 23 08:05:34 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Wed Jul 23 08:02:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Diploma Printers In-Reply-To: <001f01c8ecb5$ae8e82b0$9d140a0a@CraigNotebook> References: <20080723020129.DADE4FF2B22@rb.enter.net> <001f01c8ecb5$ae8e82b0$9d140a0a@CraigNotebook> Message-ID: I have the chance to produce college diplomas for a client of mine. They are 3-color thermo and/or embossing - obviously have to look sharp. Purple & Gold metallic plus black. Can anyone recommend a vendor? I used to use Carlson Craft (Navitor) but we have had a lot of problems with them on the last few jobs. Thanks! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From peter at keystonepress.com Wed Jul 23 09:02:50 2008 From: peter at keystonepress.com (Peter Church) Date: Wed Jul 23 09:05:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] How do I get the special pricing on Fusion Pro? In-Reply-To: <48866AFC.24201.17C9A0C@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: I am sold on Fusion Pro. There was someplace on the printable.com website that offered a special price. Anyone remember where it was? Thanks, Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:19 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] How to sequentially number in Indesign ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Ditto that recommendation. In fact, our orignal purchase of Fusion Pro was justified by one large digital printing and numbering job. We could have hacked about in Indesign, or bought a numbering program, but buying Fusion Pro gave us full variable-data capabilities at no additional cost, the price of the program was significantly less than the billing for the numbering, the printing and numbering were done at the same time, and the cut-and-stack feature (along with a programmable cutter) meant the job moved from the output of the digital printer to the shipping boxes. YMMV, Steve > > > We've been using Fusion Pro for sequential numbering lately. > > Very powerful and you get the whole VDP thing to boot..... > > S. > > > > At 06:13 AM 7/22/2008, you wrote: > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >I know this has been discussed before, but how do I number > >sequentially in InDesign? I want to do raffle tickets multiple up on > >an 11 x 17 sheet and then output to our Canon digital press. > > > >Do I need to buy a plug-in, if so which one? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Peter Church > >Keystone Press, LLC > >9 Old Falls Road > >Manchester, NH 03103 > >phone: 603-622-5222 > >fax: 603-622-9432 > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >__________ NOD32 3288 (20080722) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.eset.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions > Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3288 (20080722) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed Jul 23 09:22:46 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed Jul 23 09:23:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Engineering copies, expanding market or contracting market.? In-Reply-To: <20080723.000826.13816.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080723.000826.13816.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CABADE5414F3F1-10BC-2F4F@MBLK-M27.sysops.aol.com> I feel that this part of our business, is reaching the point in my market area, that our clients are purchasing their own units. I've had two so far only use me when their machine's go down. One purchased from ebay & the other from Ricoh. Something to think about. I had posted a few years back under the old name. That we were charging $4.95 a copy for 24"x36". Almost all said we were very high compared to others. That was on a X2510 Molasses model. I get a X6204 to do more volume & customer's asking if we can print from CD's or emails. X6204 helped us to accept & produce at a faster pace & greater quality. Lowered our price to $2.00 each, volume increased tremendously. But at the end of our lease, we are giving this part of the business up. I feel equipment that is used three or four times a week is just taking up space. Does it pay for itself YES! But for me equipment on a lease needs to be UTILIZED everyday. Otherwise your just carrying it. IMO I agree with you. All they want are the prints & have a nice day. Stay with what you have, unless your volume gets to 75 prints or more a day, you will be fine. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Brad Potter To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 3:08 am Subject: [PrintOwners] Engineering copies, expanding market or contracting market.? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am trying to decide whether to upgrade our engineering copier and try to expand the black engineering copier business or not. We had one for a few years, but it seems to not be a big thing for us, or a growth area. It seems the people that come in for it do not buy anything else, it is fine for me for those people to go to the UPS store. But I see some big jobs too. Are we making money on it as an industry? Is it something that will grow in the coming years, or will people be publishing these things to usb fobs that will be cheaper than the copies. HEY, publish your book to a USB fob, we can do it here! We have a Ricoh 240 which seems slow to me. I timed myself, and when doing a stack I can only do 2 a minute. So if a customer wants 10 copies of 10 originals for example, it takes five minutes to scan the originals, and then they print from memory, but I still have to stand there and watch them come out. It is connected, but scanning to the computer and then printing does not seem efficient, so I can scan and sort. So, are printshops going after that market? Make sense to upgrade? Brad Potter Printing Services Inc. www.myprintsource.net Your Printing Super Hero 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A Port Orchard, WA 98366 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! ____________________________________________________________ Internet Security Software - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mEWrcj2N2nMD96aRnRTrWvKrFwLPD3d3h8iBV9OkCkY1LGs/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Jul 23 09:33:29 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Jul 23 09:34:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] How do I get the special pricing on Fusion Pro? In-Reply-To: References: <48866AFC.24201.17C9A0C@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <200807231334.m6NDYmWQ079601@i2bnetworks.com> Sale is over. Back to the regular price. This month they have half off on the webinar training which I would add is worth getting for the training of your staff. It complements the free online training videos on their site. The sale on the software was only for the month of June. S. At 06:02 AM 7/23/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I am sold on Fusion Pro. There was someplace on the printable.com website >that offered a special price. Anyone remember where it was? > >Thanks, > > >Peter Church >Keystone Press, LLC >9 Old Falls Road >Manchester, NH 03103 >phone: 603-622-5222 >fax: 603-622-9432 > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman >Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:19 PM >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] How to sequentially number in Indesign > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Ditto that recommendation. In fact, our orignal purchase of Fusion Pro was >justified by one large digital printing and numbering job. We could have >hacked about in Indesign, or bought a numbering program, but buying Fusion >Pro gave us full variable-data capabilities at no additional cost, the price >of the program was significantly less than the billing for the numbering, >the printing and numbering were done at the same time, and the cut-and-stack >feature (along with a programmable cutter) meant the job moved from the >output of the digital printer to the shipping boxes. > >YMMV, >Steve > > > > > > > > We've been using Fusion Pro for sequential numbering lately. > > > > Very powerful and you get the whole VDP thing to boot..... > > > > S. > > > > > > > > At 06:13 AM 7/22/2008, you wrote: > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > >I know this has been discussed before, but how do I number > > >sequentially in InDesign? I want to do raffle tickets multiple up on > > >an 11 x 17 sheet and then output to our Canon digital press. > > > > > >Do I need to buy a plug-in, if so which one? > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Peter Church > > >Keystone Press, LLC > > >9 Old Falls Road > > >Manchester, NH 03103 > > >phone: 603-622-5222 > > >fax: 603-622-9432 > > >_______________________________________________ > > >PrintOwners Discussion List > > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > >__________ NOD32 3288 (20080722) Information __________ > > > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > >http://www.eset.com > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Scott Cappel > > > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > > 7398 Trade Street > > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > > 858-527-0800 > > 858-527-1740 FAX > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > > > Direct Links for Learning: > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions > > Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 3288 (20080722) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > >Steve Blatman >Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >Tel: 610-647-0776 >Fax: 610-647-4560 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3291 (20080723) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From championprinting at yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 10:10:15 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Wed Jul 23 10:10:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] How do I get the special pricing on Fusion Pro? Message-ID: <263586.96985.qm@web38302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I too am sold on FusionPro. However, after reviewing the new features in AccuZIP, we will no longer have a need for FusionPro since many of the key features appear redundant. We'll probably continue to use it because we own it, but if you own AccuZIP, you might want to visit the website where Label & Report Design will soon be available for download. I was present for the live webinar and was amazed. I'm sure that FP has other value, but if you're looking to do variable data simultaneously (both text and graphics) with mailings, looks like AZ will now do that for you. http://www.accuzip.com/ Ted Gelletly Allegra Print & Imaging 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@allegraeldersburg.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Scott Cappel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:33:29 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] How do I get the special pricing on Fusion Pro? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Sale is over. Back to the regular price. This month they have half off on the webinar training which I would add is worth getting for the training of your staff. It complements the free online training videos on their site. The sale on the software was only for the month of June. S. At 06:02 AM 7/23/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I am sold on Fusion Pro. There was someplace on the printable.com website >that offered a special price. Anyone remember where it was? > >Thanks, > > >Peter Church >Keystone Press, LLC >9 Old Falls Road >Manchester, NH 03103 >phone: 603-622-5222 >fax: 603-622-9432 > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman >Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:19 PM >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] How to sequentially number in Indesign > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Ditto that recommendation. In fact, our orignal purchase of Fusion Pro was >justified by one large digital printing and numbering job. We could have >hacked about in Indesign, or bought a numbering program, but buying Fusion >Pro gave us full variable-data capabilities at no additional cost, the price >of the program was significantly less than the billing for the numbering, >the printing and numbering were done at the same time, and the cut-and-stack >feature (along with a programmable cutter) meant the job moved from the >output of the digital printer to the shipping boxes. > >YMMV, >Steve > > > > > > > > We've been using Fusion Pro for sequential numbering lately. > > > > Very powerful and you get the whole VDP thing to boot..... > > > > S. > > > > > > > > At 06:13 AM 7/22/2008, you wrote: > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > >I know this has been discussed before, but how do I number > > >sequentially in InDesign? I want to do raffle tickets multiple up on > > >an 11 x 17 sheet and then output to our Canon digital press. > > > > > >Do I need to buy a plug-in, if so which one? > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Peter Church > > >Keystone Press, LLC > > >9 Old Falls Road > > >Manchester, NH 03103 > > >phone: 603-622-5222 > > >fax: 603-622-9432 > > >_______________________________________________ > > >PrintOwners Discussion List > > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > >__________ NOD32 3288 (20080722) Information __________ > > > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > >http://www.eset.com > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Scott Cappel > > > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > > 7398 Trade Street > > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > > 858-527-0800 > > 858-527-1740 FAX > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > > > Direct Links for Learning: > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions > > Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 3288 (20080722) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > >Steve Blatman >Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >Tel: 610-647-0776 >Fax: 610-647-4560 > From tstrickland at studiodesignsprinting.com Wed Jul 23 10:34:24 2008 From: tstrickland at studiodesignsprinting.com (tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com) Date: Wed Jul 23 10:34:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lancer Label and Discount the same? References: <48866AFC.24201.17C9A0C@slb.inkspot.net> <200807231334.m6NDYmWQ079601@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <00ea01c8ecd1$346bf730$0202a8c0@TravisComp> Some how we paid an invoice twice with Lancer Labels. I called to get the credit returned and had to leave a message. A lady in accounts returned my call and left a message for me with a different number. When I called this lady back the automated attendant answered with Discount Labels. Just thought this was very interesting and wondering if the companies are related? Travis Strickland Studio Designs Printing MIlledgeville, GA 31061 From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Wed Jul 23 10:44:40 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Wed Jul 23 10:45:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lancer Label and Discount the same? In-Reply-To: <00ea01c8ecd1$346bf730$0202a8c0@TravisComp> References: <48866AFC.24201.17C9A0C@slb.inkspot.net> <200807231334.m6NDYmWQ079601@i2bnetworks.com> <00ea01c8ecd1$346bf730$0202a8c0@TravisComp> Message-ID: YES On Jul 23, 2008, at 10:34 AM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Some how we paid an invoice twice with Lancer Labels. I called to > get the credit returned and had to leave a message. A lady in > accounts returned my call and left a message for me with a > different number. When I called this lady back the automated > attendant answered with Discount Labels. Just thought this was very > interesting and wondering if the companies are related? > > Travis Strickland > Studio Designs Printing > MIlledgeville, GA 31061 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jul 23 11:07:50 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jul 23 11:07:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lancer Label and Discount the same? In-Reply-To: <00ea01c8ecd1$346bf730$0202a8c0@TravisComp> References: <48866AFC.24201.17C9A0C@slb.inkspot.net> <200807231334.m6NDYmWQ079601@i2bnetworks.com> <00ea01c8ecd1$346bf730$0202a8c0@TravisComp> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0807230807l76c8b43cjc87c85934fa3d253@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:34 AM, wrote: > > > Some how we paid an invoice twice with Lancer Labels. I called to get the > credit returned and had to leave a message. A lady in accounts returned my > call and left a message for me with a different number. When I called this > lady back the automated attendant answered with Discount Labels. Just > thought this was very interesting and wondering if the companies are > related? Apparently you it escaped your notice that each is "a Quality Park brand," that remittances for both go to the same Omaha address if I remember correctly, and their check remittance envelopes are almost identical. Happened a few years ago. > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon From greg at pressexpress.org Wed Jul 23 11:13:19 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed Jul 23 11:13:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Engineering copies, expanding market or contracting market.? In-Reply-To: <20080723.000826.13816.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080723.000826.13816.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <55A7C844-B608-4547-9B28-870ECB64B729@pressexpress.org> Large docs have been a money maker for us. The machine is paid for and costs us .25/copy for toner and paper and we sell for 5 bucks a copy. Price goes down on volume. When the new hospital was being built, we did $10,000 that summer just for the one account. It is very easy to generate $150-$200/hour with phenomenal profit on the bigger projects, but regrettably, those are far and few between. I live in rural Rhinelander with a county population of 25,000. Every contractor comes to us for large docs. They all need vinyl signs, truck lettering, proposals, etc. It has been a great add-on to our services. Greg On Jul 23, 2008, at 2:08 AM, Brad Potter wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > I am trying to decide whether to upgrade our engineering copier and > try to expand the black engineering copier business or not. > > We had one for a few years, but it seems to not be a big thing for > us, or a growth area. It seems the people that come in for it do > not buy anything else, it is fine for me for those people to go to > the UPS store. But I see some big jobs too. > > Are we making money on it as an industry? Is it something that will > grow in the coming years, or will people be publishing these things > to usb fobs that will be cheaper than the copies. HEY, publish your > book to a USB fob, we can do it here! > > We have a Ricoh 240 which seems slow to me. I timed myself, and > when doing a stack I can only do 2 a minute. So if a customer wants > 10 copies of 10 originals for example, it takes five minutes to scan > the originals, and then they print from memory, but I still have to > stand there and watch them come out. > > It is connected, but scanning to the computer and then printing does > not seem efficient, so I can scan and sort. > > So, are printshops going after that market? Make sense to upgrade? > > > > Brad Potter > Printing Services Inc. > www.myprintsource.net > Your Printing Super Hero > 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A > Port Orchard, WA 98366 > 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax > > P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a > friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design > and associated printing related products and services, please > contact me. > I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of > integrity. > Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so > please don't keep us a secret! > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Internet Security Software - Click here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mEWrcj2N2nMD96aRnRTrWvKrFwLPD3d3h8iBV9OkCkY1LGs/ > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > From sos at olympus.net Wed Jul 23 11:40:23 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Jul 23 11:40:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Engineering copies, expanding market or contracting market.? References: <20080723.000826.13816.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <00e701c8ecda$6be19270$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Potter" >It is connected, but scanning to the computer and then printing does not >seem efficient, so I can scan and sort. >So, are printshops going after that market? Make sense to upgrade? ======================= As someone from a similar sized market where there are three engineering copiers, I'm thinking of getting out of that business. We do about $4,000 per month in copies. But to lease a good machine is pretty close to $1,000 maintenance and supplies is about $1,000 an employee who doesn't do much other than the engineering copies about $2,000 contribution to general overhead zip, profit zip. Building contractors occasionally order a set of business cards or something, but they are not print buyers. The local Planning and Building department has begun to accept 11x17 sized drawings for plan reviews, building permits, so that has taken a substantial chunk of the business away. Now anyone with a tabloid size printer can just print their own. I don't see it growing. I don't see any real downside to exiting the business, except I'd have to fire one employee. The copier we have, the Ricoh 480W is a good machine, the lease will be up in about six months so that's when I'll decide. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From rstor at copycats.com Wed Jul 23 11:51:07 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Wed Jul 23 11:52:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Engineering copies, expanding market or contracting market.? In-Reply-To: <00e701c8ecda$6be19270$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <20080723.000826.13816.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> <00e701c8ecda$6be19270$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <4887536B.9020708@copycats.com> "But to lease a good machine is pretty close to $1,000 " "the lease will be up in about six months " So in a bout 6 months you will get a $1000/month contribution to overhead. "an employee who doesn't do much other than the engineering copies" with $4000/month in sales, You either charge too little or need to run more efficiently than to have an employee who does nothing but this. FWIW, we have a connected 6024, with the lease+service @$550/month (22?/ft after 1000/mo), 3yr with a $1600 buy-out at the end. Good enough for the volume we are doing. We charge $1/sq ft to scan, copy or print out. We have about $2000/mo in gross sales Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Potter" >> It is connected, but scanning to the computer and then printing does >> not seem efficient, so I can scan and sort. > >> So, are printshops going after that market? Make sense to upgrade? > ======================= > > As someone from a similar sized market where there are three > engineering copiers, I'm thinking of getting out of that business. > We do about $4,000 per month in copies. But to lease a good machine > is pretty close to $1,000 maintenance and supplies is about $1,000 an > employee who doesn't do much other than the engineering copies about > $2,000 contribution to general overhead zip, profit zip. > Building contractors occasionally order a set of business cards or > something, but they are not print buyers. > > The local Planning and Building department has begun to accept 11x17 > sized drawings for plan reviews, building permits, so that has taken a > substantial chunk of the business away. Now anyone with a tabloid > size printer can just print their own. > I don't see it growing. > I don't see any real downside to exiting the business, except I'd have > to fire one employee. > > The copier we have, the Ricoh 480W is a good machine, the lease will > be up in about six months so that's when I'll decide. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From falconprinting at gmail.com Wed Jul 23 12:18:05 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Wed Jul 23 12:18:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Engineering copies, expanding market or contracting market.? In-Reply-To: <4887536B.9020708@copycats.com> Message-ID: These services sell for as low as $0.08 a square foot around here. I've had several friends and associates with connections at builders/developers offer me the business, and for me, here, its totally not worth it. There are people who still pay as high as $0.25, but they're few and far between. Its another segment where margins are dropping and competition is increases. But, what isn't? Everywhere margins are decreasing and competition is increasing. The fastest way to increase revenue is always to expand the services you offer to your current customers. If you have customer's who need this, you could do quite well. Its always a risk, and you have to try and get a handle on how much business you might be able to pull, and how much competition is around you. There's only one way to find out if its a good idea, and that's to roll the dice. Good luck either way. (Yes, I know someone smarter than me is going to tell you how figure out if its a good idea without rolling the dice, but my advise is till the way I would do it.) Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Robert Stor > Organization: Copycats > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:51:07 -0400 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Engineering copies, expanding market or contracting > market.? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > "But to lease a good machine is pretty close to $1,000 " > "the lease will be up in about six months " > > So in a bout 6 months you will get a $1000/month contribution to overhead. > > "an employee who doesn't do much other than the engineering copies" with > $4000/month in sales, > You either charge too little or need to run more efficiently than to > have an employee who does nothing but this. > > FWIW, we have a connected 6024, with the lease+service @$550/month > (22?/ft after 1000/mo), 3yr with a $1600 buy-out at the end. > > Good enough for the volume we are doing. We charge $1/sq ft to scan, > copy or print out. We have about $2000/mo in gross sales > > Regards, > Bob Stor > Copycats > New York, NY > 212-557-2111 x20 > www.copycats.com > > > Dan Huntingford wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Potter" >>> It is connected, but scanning to the computer and then printing does >>> not seem efficient, so I can scan and sort. >> >>> So, are printshops going after that market? Make sense to upgrade? >> ======================= >> >> As someone from a similar sized market where there are three >> engineering copiers, I'm thinking of getting out of that business. >> We do about $4,000 per month in copies. But to lease a good machine >> is pretty close to $1,000 maintenance and supplies is about $1,000 an >> employee who doesn't do much other than the engineering copies about >> $2,000 contribution to general overhead zip, profit zip. >> Building contractors occasionally order a set of business cards or >> something, but they are not print buyers. >> >> The local Planning and Building department has begun to accept 11x17 >> sized drawings for plan reviews, building permits, so that has taken a >> substantial chunk of the business away. Now anyone with a tabloid >> size printer can just print their own. >> I don't see it growing. >> I don't see any real downside to exiting the business, except I'd have >> to fire one employee. >> >> The copier we have, the Ricoh 480W is a good machine, the lease will >> be up in about six months so that's when I'll decide. >> >> Dan Huntingford >> SOS Printing >> 2319 Washington Street >> Port Townsend, WA 98368 >> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >> sos@olympus.net >> (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From files at aloha4print.com Wed Jul 23 12:27:42 2008 From: files at aloha4print.com (Nancy Denney) Date: Wed Jul 23 12:23:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ripit Film In-Reply-To: <004f01c8ec45$20bc77a0$042967d3@kp4> References: <004f01c8ec45$20bc77a0$042967d3@kp4> Message-ID: Linda, Last time bought 4 rolls of Megapro 8mil poly for our Rip-It and it was $114.40 a roll with $8.95 for freight. The company we buy from it Styers Equipment Company in Overland Park, Kansas @ 913-681-5225, they are a helpful group. Our freight may be so low because we are right out of St. Louis, MO. N. Denney Aloha Print & Copy, LLC www.aloha4print.com On Jul 22, 2008, at 4:51 PM, Linda Baribeau wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Good Evening, > > We are currently calling for best pricing on Ripit material. Can > anyone give me some of the vendors you use? > > Thanks so much........Linda > Linda Baribeau > Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. > 2041 West Mill Road > Glendale, WI 53209 > Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From melissa at kwiksolutions.com Wed Jul 23 12:28:58 2008 From: melissa at kwiksolutions.com (Melissa Uber) Date: Wed Jul 23 12:29:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] source for food tickets Message-ID: <006701c8ece1$35cf1660$3e00000a@Melissa> Looking for source for single roll tickets that just say "Food". Called Premier Southern Ticket Co and they have a stock item that says "One Meal" so would have to quote "Food" as a custom. Who else does everyone get their roll tickets from? Thanks! Melissa Uber Kwik Solutions...Everything in Print! melissa@kwiksolutions.com Jamestown - 20 W. 3rd St, Jamestown, NY 14701 (716) 483-3227 Warren - 326 Penna Ave W., Warren, PA 16365 (814) 726-5679 From sos at olympus.net Wed Jul 23 12:44:00 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Jul 23 12:44:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Engineering copies, expanding market or contractingmarket.? References: <20080723.000826.13816.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com><00e701c8ecda$6be19270$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <4887536B.9020708@copycats.com> Message-ID: <017401c8ece3$4eecc410$6900a8c0@DANIEL> >So in a bout 6 months you will get a $1000/month contribution to overhead. >"an employee who doesn't do much other than the engineering copies" with $4000/month in sales, You either charge too little or need to run more efficiently than to have an employee who does nothing but this. =================== After paying off the FMV buyout ($6 to 8,000) there could be a $1000 contribution to overhead. That employee does other stuff, answering the phone, taking orders, running other copies, but still he is probably our least productive employee. And that may be coloring my thinking. I've been on the verge of firing him many times. Nice guy, but not very industrious. I raised our price from $0.30 per sq. ft. to $0.40 at the first of the year. (volume discounts apply) and upped the graphics print charge to $0.50. We do large posters, pictures, etc. as well as building drawings. But no increase in revenue. Again, it's seems to be a market that is shrinking, and a lot of work for very little reward. Your mileage may of course vary. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From kellycrom at gmail.com Wed Jul 23 12:49:52 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Wed Jul 23 12:50:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] source for food tickets In-Reply-To: <006701c8ece1$35cf1660$3e00000a@Melissa> References: <006701c8ece1$35cf1660$3e00000a@Melissa> Message-ID: <005401c8ece4$219aa260$64cfe720$@com> Google "single roll food" and you will find plenty. Here's one www.nationalticket.com/Ticket_Printing/Raffle-Tickets.asp Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Melissa Uber > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 11:29 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] source for food tickets > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Looking for source for single roll tickets that just say "Food". > Called > Premier Southern Ticket Co and they have a stock item that says "One > Meal" > so would have to quote "Food" as a custom. Who else does everyone get > their > roll tickets from? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Melissa Uber > > Kwik Solutions...Everything in Print! > > melissa@kwiksolutions.com > > > > Jamestown - 20 W. 3rd St, Jamestown, NY 14701 > > (716) 483-3227 > > Warren - 326 Penna Ave W., Warren, PA 16365 > > (814) 726-5679 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Wed Jul 23 12:55:01 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Harkins) Date: Wed Jul 23 12:55:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Engineering copies, expanding market or contractingmarket.? In-Reply-To: <017401c8ece3$4eecc410$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: On 7/23/08 11:44 AM, "Dan Huntingford" wrote: > I raised our price from $0.30 per sq. ft. to $0.40 at the first of the year. > (volume discounts apply) and upped the graphics print charge to $0.50. We do > large posters, pictures, etc. as well as building drawings. But no increase > in revenue. Dan, Have you thought of making your engineering stuff self-service? We offer a very nice price incentive and show the customers how to do their own stuff. We used to do $3,000-$4,000 per month in engineering sales and have never had an employee who spent even 5% of their time at that machine. We are down to around $2,000/mo and I would say 95% of our business is self-service. We are at $.40/sq ft. for singles; $.35 for multiple sets; $.30 for quantities over 50 total prints; and $.25 for self service. We are able to scan, print, etc. and make all of those things available for self serve. Just a thought. Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From steveprint at aol.com Wed Jul 23 01:03:26 2008 From: steveprint at aol.com (StevePrint) Date: Wed Jul 23 13:02:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Political Printing Message-ID: <1ed3938f.50cb.485a.b922.13f554a8a4cc@aol.com> Looking for Vendors that have Political Printing ideas on their Web sites. Thanks, Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions From sos at olympus.net Wed Jul 23 13:11:51 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Jul 23 13:12:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Engineering copies, expanding market orcontractingmarket.? References: Message-ID: <01a201c8ece7$32f77da0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyndy Harkins" > Have you thought of making your engineering stuff self-service? We offer a > very nice price incentive and show the customers how to do their own > stuff. ======================== Hi Cyndy, That's a good thought. We mostly print digital files anymore, and the contractor sends a flunky by to pick up the job. We have had a few self serve people but not many. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From stalprint at charter.net Wed Jul 23 13:19:50 2008 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Wed Jul 23 13:20:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Political Printing In-Reply-To: <1ed3938f.50cb.485a.b922.13f554a8a4cc@aol.com> References: <1ed3938f.50cb.485a.b922.13f554a8a4cc@aol.com> Message-ID: <48876836.4030102@charter.net> http://www.political-usa.com/?gclid=CIqDm5vC1pQCFRhhnAodpFxhqg StevePrint wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Looking for Vendors that have Political Printing ideas on their Web sites. >Thanks, > >Steve Salstrom >Bay Business Printing >1521 Cornwall Ave. >Bellingham, WA 98225 >360-671-2997 >www.iorderprinting.com >Ideas & Solutions >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Jul 23 14:51:30 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Jul 23 14:51:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] quite imposing licenses Message-ID: can it really be true that additional licenses to Quite Imposing is $1000 for each ???? I keep telling my staff they are crazy but ??? We need at least two additional licenses and this seems ludicrous to say the least! robin Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com Pro-Type Printing, Inc. PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From richard at weprintcary.com Wed Jul 23 15:56:59 2008 From: richard at weprintcary.com (Richard Cobb) Date: Wed Jul 23 14:59:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] quite imposing licenses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48878D0B.2020605@weprintcary.com> Take a look at Cute PDF. It's $50 and loaded with features. Obviously it isn't Quite but hey, it's 50 bucks. PC only, no mac version. Richard Cobb Allegra Print & Imaging 1155 Kildaire Farm Road Cary, NC 27511 919-468-3334 fax 919-468-3880 The Future of Printing is Here Helping Businesses Find Ways to Enhance the VALUE of Their Print Communications! Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > can it really be true that additional licenses to Quite Imposing is > $1000 for each ???? I keep telling my staff they are crazy but ??? We > need at least two additional licenses and this seems ludicrous to say > the least! > > robin > > Robin Niewold > robin@protypeonline.com > > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > > PAXTON > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > > NORMAL > 203 North Street > Normal, IL 61761 > 309.452.4409 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From printwebron at milfordprinters.com Wed Jul 23 15:16:18 2008 From: printwebron at milfordprinters.com (Ron Woodruff) Date: Wed Jul 23 15:16:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Copy Pricing question (was Pricing Help needed) In-Reply-To: <200801311321.m0VDLlMj082634@i2bnetworks.com> References: <8639E3F1-0CE1-4DA2-8919-3C2187AE6258@falconprintandcopy.com><47A0AB74.22832.6C1CE63@slb.inkspot.net><47A13E06.4080207@fmtc.com><200801310324.m0V3OXeg094899@i2bnetworks.com><98f5b19a0801302249j44685dep7f3ab3ca9433ed3a@mail.gmail.com> <200801311321.m0VDLlMj082634@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <000701c8ecf8$95f3da50$7e01010a@gordonbernard.local> Testing -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:17 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Color Copy Pricing question (was PricingHelp needed) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I get it Michael, I guess I just have to say its pretty nauseating to read these threads month after month about how low can you go. There is a fear in our industry of being priced to high....why? IF you're proactive and go out and find companies that don't mind paying more for what they get because their is perceived value there, you make more money. If you aren't proactive and you sit around and respond to RFQ's all day long, you don't. If I had to respond to every email from someone I had never met asking for a price on this or a price on that, I'd never get anything done. My clients pay more, but they also get more, a lot more. My market may be large and I may be able to cherry pick who I want to do business with, but there is nothing unique about my market. Maybe my comment was a bit harsh, but it comes from the heart and is a product of the frustration I witness at a lack of pricing power that we all have but most are unwilling to execute. http://www.pricingexpert.com/ S. At 10:49 PM 1/30/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >On Jan 30, 2008 10:20 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > > > > > > Someone who finally gets it. > > > > Yippee! > > > > 1 down about 100 to go... > > > >Shame on you, Scott. You're too intelligent to stoop to keeping up the >pretense that "one mantra fits all." I, too, am a value seller. I've done >seminars on value-added selling and about building value before ever talking >price. About the fact that if you talk price first, it will end up being >low. About the importance of CSRs who have the capacity to learn >consultive/value selling before being allowed to quote a price. About the >fact that some people are destined to sell price-only because they are >incapable of understanding value selling and/or are unable to generate >support or credibility for their expertise or ideas or whatever else they >might bring to the table. And so on. > >Joe asked "Where's the talk about value pricing?" But building value and >maintaining maximum price levels was not the subject of this particular >discussion, which isn't the same as not "getting it." That other valuable >discussion has been had many times, and must be had many times again. But >this was not that discussion. This one was about price parameters, price >boundaries, and about expanding one's view of the acceptable price gamut >within which one might be able to operate quite profitably. This was about >opening some eyes to the fact that apparently low prices are not always what >they seem. I was quite careful to note that I was not necessarily advocating >selling at prices that are as low as one can go, but that there is a place >for that pricing, and one that still allows for quite high margins. As much >as selling value is my external mantra, being constantly aware of my margins >and maximizing them is my internal one. This is not a zero-sum game; these >concepts are not mutually exclusive. > >Each of us produces a broad range of imaged products with an equally broad >range of value, the latter determined by the customer, the market, the >products' use, etc. Maximizing profitable sales for most of us involves >defining what and how to sell output at different price points. (Mercedes >keeps finding new ways to sell from under $30,000 to over $400,000). Markets >with virtually unlimited or rapidly growing cash-rich businesses from which >to cherry-pick one's customers are few and far between. The rest of us must >learn to maximize our profits in a much more diverse environment. That >means knowing what constitutes value for different constituencies, how to >build that value; how to price for value, leaving prudently little on the >table; and how to profit from customers with differing sets of values. > >C'mon Scott, don't disappoint us: you do get that, don't you? > > >-- >Michael Vogel >Sir Speedy Printing >9 Research Drive >Milford, CT 06460 >tel 203-877-1231 >fax 203-878-2679 >mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com >www.eSirSpeedy.com >==================================== >Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to >criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2839 (20080131) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From swiftyprinting at mac.com Wed Jul 23 15:23:36 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Wed Jul 23 15:23:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] quite imposing licenses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jul 23, 2008, at 2:51 PM, Robin Niewold wrote: > can it really be true that additional licenses to Quite Imposing is > $1000 for each ???? I keep telling my staff they are crazy but ??? > We need at least two additional licenses and this seems ludicrous to > say the least! The full price of the program is $899 retail (PDFstore.com). Do you need any other plugs in? They are much cheaper by the dozen, Quite Imposing Plus, Crackerjack, Stamper and Pitstop bundle at a total $1,699 a great bargain. Did you contact them directly through their website? (sales@quite.com) Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Jul 23 15:34:58 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Jul 23 15:36:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] quite imposing licenses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200807231936.m6NJaHc6062406@i2bnetworks.com> How much money to you make having the extra licenses? I think it probably pencils out. You could also impose at the RIP. You could also impose with Fusion Pro (even for static jobs) We have 2 licenses for QI Plus...we need both. Lucicrous is always in the eye of the person writing the checks..... S. At 11:51 AM 7/23/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >can it really be true that additional licenses to Quite Imposing is >$1000 for each ???? I keep telling my staff they are crazy but ??? We >need at least two additional licenses and this seems ludicrous to say >the least! > >robin > >Robin Niewold >robin@protypeonline.com > >Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > >PAXTON >130 N. Market Street >Paxton, IL 60957 >217.379.4715 > >NORMAL >203 North Street >Normal, IL 61761 >309.452.4409 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3292 (20080723) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com Wed Jul 23 16:40:29 2008 From: goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com (Goodway Print and Copy) Date: Wed Jul 23 16:40:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] magnetic or velcro nameplates source Message-ID: <5025E7EEEB2248BFB0D444177D3581F2@LeslieXP> We need about 400 different name plates 2x8 or 1.5 x8 (not engraved) to go on cubicle walls. Any ideas? Leslie McDonald GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. 15121 Ventura Blvd. Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Phone:(818) 783-5172 Fax:(818)783-8649 goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com www.goodwayprintcopy.com From markath1 at verizon.net Wed Jul 23 16:57:28 2008 From: markath1 at verizon.net (Rick Martin) Date: Wed Jul 23 16:58:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] magnetic or velcro nameplates source In-Reply-To: <5025E7EEEB2248BFB0D444177D3581F2@LeslieXP> Message-ID: <000001c8ed06$bbaca660$640a0a0a@advanced8l9v8x> We had a similar request several years ago and we ran the art on our color copier, laminated the output, and put Velcro fasteners on the back. Works if the cubicles have cloth sides. They reordered several times, and then moved out of town!! Rick Martin Advanced Print & Copy 229 Memorial Avenue W Springfield, MA 01089 413-736-9808 markath1@verizon.net www.advancedprintandcopy.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Goodway Print and Copy Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 4:40 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] magnetic or velcro nameplates source ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We need about 400 different name plates 2x8 or 1.5 x8 (not engraved) to go on cubicle walls. Any ideas? Leslie McDonald GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. 15121 Ventura Blvd. Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Phone:(818) 783-5172 Fax:(818)783-8649 goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com www.goodwayprintcopy.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From craig at newhavenprint.com Wed Jul 23 17:00:27 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Wed Jul 23 17:00:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 3-ring adhesive binder strips? In-Reply-To: <200807231936.m6NJaHc6062406@i2bnetworks.com> References: <200807231936.m6NJaHc6062406@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <48879BEB.5000905@newhavenprint.com> Hello, I've been Googling for a while trying to find this product, and I thought maybe someone has seen them. We're going to do folders (with a spine gusset) and our customer wants to put a 3-ring binder inside. Seems like there would be a self-adhesive plastic or metal assembly on the market, but I sure don't see it. We're going to put 10 sheets + 4 tab dividers inside the folders. 10 to 20,000 finished folders, so I hate to give up looking. Thanks, Craig -- Craig Dellinger President New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, Indiana USA Phone: 260.493.3844 Fax: 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Jul 23 18:15:12 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Jul 23 18:15:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Epson 7600 Ultra Chrome Ink Message-ID: <6164FD5D-92A3-4EB5-9089-30BB429882A8@protypeonline.com> we have the above mentioned wide format, 24" inkjet printer. Recently it was moved 45 miles via car from one location to another WITH the ink cartridges still installed. I do not think it is any coincidence that now we have major quality issues when trying to print. Horizontal banding, blind spots and several other issues. We paid about $2000 for this unit and after one year had to pay another $700 for new ink head. For those of you that may own this same unit, did we ruin it or am I going to have to spend $1000 or more to have it cleaned professionally or is there something we can do. We have already tried the cleaning suggestions in the manual. Employee said she did not try aligning the heads.....I'm close to tossing the piece of junk in the dumpster and starting over! Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From sos at olympus.net Wed Jul 23 18:34:43 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Jul 23 18:35:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Epson 7600 Ultra Chrome Ink References: <6164FD5D-92A3-4EB5-9089-30BB429882A8@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <023c01c8ed14$4d98fda0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > I do not think it is any coincidence that now we have major quality > issues when trying to print. Horizontal banding, blind spots and several > other issues. We paid about $2000 for this unit and after one year had to > pay another $700 for new ink head. For those of you that may own this > same unit, did we ruin it or am I going to have to spend $1000 or more to > have it cleaned professionally or is there something we can do. We have > already tried the cleaning suggestions in the manual. Employee said she > did not try aligning the heads.....I'm close to tossing the piece of junk > in the dumpster and starting over! ===================== I have a 7600 which has always worked fine. Despite cars driving into the building, they are rip rapping the beach and every time the truck comes by and dumps another batch of big rocks, it feels like an earth quake as well. The whole building shakes. Anyway, you can indeed get a brand new 7800 for $2900 or so. I'd hesitate to pay $1000 just to clean the heads or whatever. Do you have a custom RIP driving it, if so make sure a new one is still compatible. You might try turning it off. Then on again and let it go through it's self diagnostic routine a time or two before anything more radical. Good luck. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From sos at olympus.net Wed Jul 23 18:49:12 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Jul 23 18:49:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] The P Word [OFF] References: <6164FD5D-92A3-4EB5-9089-30BB429882A8@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <023f01c8ed16$53e81040$6900a8c0@DANIEL> I watched Gordon Ramsey's TV show last night, "Restaurant Nightmares", or whatever it's called. Celebrity chef Gordon goes roaring into a failing restaurant on his Harley and yells at them, belittles them, and finally helps them turn the business around. He's the same guy with the "Hells Kitchen" show and over in England, we watched his new show "The F Word". Here in America we bleep out the F word, but over in England they just let fly with very fillthy language. The F actually stands for food, cause it's a cooking show, but he sure says F_c_ a lot. There was another show with a very opinionated Hotel excecutive lady who does the same thing to small hotels. Finds a pubic hair in the bathroom and raises hell. But finally helps redecorate, helps manage the place and by the end of the show it's all smiles and happy customers. I'm thinking if there was a Printshop consultant, who was very brusk, highly opinionated, and maybe even a little vulgar, he could develop a hit TV show around visiting a typical printshop, maybe flying in and then being astonished at how bizaarly poorly it was being run, and the crappy quality they were foisting off on the public, and yelling and berating them and finally showing his heart of gold and helping them. Anybody know any one like that? I think it'd be great reality TV. Not that I'm volunteering my shop or anything. . . Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From Susan at cdandp.net Wed Jul 23 18:54:22 2008 From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton) Date: Wed Jul 23 18:56:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] The P Word [OFF] References: <6164FD5D-92A3-4EB5-9089-30BB429882A8@protypeonline.com> <023f01c8ed16$53e81040$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <090401c8ed17$0c3db320$8302a8c0@Robbin> Sorry, Dan, that one's too easy! ;) Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, VA 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Huntingford" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] The P Word [OFF] > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I watched Gordon Ramsey's TV show last night, "Restaurant Nightmares", or > whatever it's called. Celebrity chef Gordon goes roaring into a failing > restaurant on his Harley and yells at them, belittles them, and finally > helps them turn the business around. He's the same guy with the "Hells > Kitchen" show and over in England, we watched his new show "The F Word". > Here in America we bleep out the F word, but over in England they just let > fly with very fillthy language. The F actually stands for food, cause > it's a cooking show, but he sure says F_c_ a lot. > > There was another show with a very opinionated Hotel excecutive lady who > does the same thing to small hotels. Finds a pubic hair in the bathroom > and raises hell. But finally helps redecorate, helps manage the place and > by the end of the show it's all smiles and happy customers. > > I'm thinking if there was a Printshop consultant, who was very brusk, > highly opinionated, and maybe even a little vulgar, he could develop a hit > TV show around visiting a typical printshop, maybe flying in and then > being astonished at how bizaarly poorly it was being run, and the crappy > quality they were foisting off on the publ