[PrintOwners] Coil Binding - Equipment Suggestions?

Fri Jan 4 15:07:25 EST 2008

Just a side note to the punching issue, we have the professional punch  
attachment on our Canon ir7105.  I know I've been complaining about  
service recently, and those are warranted complaints, but the  
professional punch is a life saver.  We have GBC and coil dies, and it  
punches everything at rated speeds.  If we have color covers we punch  
them first, run the color copies on it, and then put them in the post  
process inserter.  Tabs are a hassle with it though, but its doable.   
I think it was a $10K option, which breaks into the lease anyway, but  
its been a lifesaver for us.

Borzou Azabdaftari
Falcon Print and Copy
1921 Gallows Road
Suite 150
Vienna, VA 22182
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134
borzou at falconprintandcopy.com

On Jan 4, 2008, at 2:35 PM, Ron Taggart wrote:

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> Of course you have to consider automating two operations:  punching  
> and
> coiling.
>
> We have built up our business in both spiral and twin loop so that  
> we were
> able to purchase a Lhermite punch.  This is touted as the Cadillac  
> and it
> is.  Price $55K plus $3700 per die, ouch, but the amount of punching  
> it can
> do is incredible.  You might consider having someone with an automated
> machine punch you a skid of paper ahead of time if you do a lot of  
> 8.5 x 11
> books on your copier/printer.  This is what we do for ourselves (we  
> punch a
> skid) and it works great.   Might even consider doing this yourself  
> so that
> the punching time frame is done before the job even exists, thus  
> shortening
> your turnaround.  Stay away from any automated punch made by GBC.
>
> For spiral, we first purchased a Marlin crimper.  This works good and
> eliminates the human element of making sloppy crimps and speeds the
> operation up. I think this was around $2K.   Our next step was a GBC
> Digicoil inserter.  This works pretty well but does not produce the  
> kind of
> productivity gains that can be made in punching.  Cost:  $20K.  I  
> would give
> this machine a B or B-.  We also discovered that for very large  
> books for
> spiral insertion, we needed a special die with elongated holes or the
> inserting of the elements was pure hell.
>
> We also have a Renz twin loop inserter.  You save a bundle on the  
> elements
> by buying in rolls, but you need to be doing a lot of twin loop to  
> justify
> the approx. $30K cost.
>
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> Tom, we had a similar situation where the spiral was really bogging  
> us down.
> We purchased the following Rhinotuff equipment:
>
> PAL-14, APES-14-77 mounted on the HD7700 punch.
>
> It has really sped things up but the coiling and crimping is still
> relatively slow as before. We may look at getting a crimper in the  
> future
> but for now the above equipment is serving us well. We paid about  
> $8700 for
> all.
>
> Kevin Kerr
> Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc.
> 1900 Merivale Rd.
> Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4
> Tel 613-727-9444
> Fax 613-727-1945
> kevin at proprinters.ca
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom King" <TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com>
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> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:30 AM
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>> Plastic coil binding is driving us crazy - extraordinarily labor  
>> intensive
>> and time consuming. We seem to be getting more of it and it's a  
>> real time
>> killer - just finished a job for 1,100 coil bound books which  
>> seemed to
>> take
>> forever to do. We have the tabletop units - one machine to punch  
>> the holes
>> (really thin lifts only) and another to spin the coil into the  
>> finished
>> book. Then cut and twist the ends of the coils by hand with that  
>> little
>> pliers tool.
>>
>>
>>
>> What kind of equipment do you all use for this? Is there anything  
>> faster
>> out
>> there without spending a fortune?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom King
>> King Printing
>> 1305 W. College Ave.
>> State College, PA 16801
>> Phone: 814-238-2536
>> Fax: 814-237-5238
>> Email: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com
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