From jgross at techiowa.com  Tue Jan  1 12:19:03 2008
From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross)
Date: Tue Jan  1 12:19:13 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Hi all From Fla
References: <20071226221035.M73965@mpcny.com>
	<477512BC.26785.FF0D4EE@slb.inkspot.net>
Message-ID: <008d01c84c9a$68475900$0201a8c0@JGrossLaptop>

I like it when the whole world is interested in what we Iowans think in a 
couple of days.  They seem to respect our opinions.

John Gross


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Blatman" <slb@inkspot.net>
To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 2:14 PM
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Hi all From Fla


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Is that a measure of the political manure accumulating on the ground,
> or that white precipitation stuff? <g>
>
> Steve
>
>
>>
>> 6 inches due today in Iowa.  Wish we were there.
>>
>> John A. Gross
>> Technigraphics, Inc.
>> PO Box 1846
>> Iowa City, Iowa 52244
>> jgross@techiowa.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
>> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of john
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 4:12 PM
>> To: printowners@printweb.org
>> Subject: [PrintOwners] Hi all From Fla
>>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> I made, it kids alive and disney is open, fed the mouse to 11:55 over 14
>> hours of disney fun
>>
>> Fla John....
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From greg at pressexpress.org  Tue Jan  1 13:53:56 2008
From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Tue Jan  1 13:54:45 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] CS2 to CS3 mac upgrade
Message-ID: <3C7CE2E9-A089-42F4-B8F1-E8562BAAB9DF@pressexpress.org>

Immediately after upgrading to CS3 on the mac, we launched inDesign.   
Immediately, ALL inDesign file icons upgraded to the new magenta look  
and when I get info on a file that was created in CS2, it states that  
it is a CS3 file.  My graphic artist is a bit freaked by this since  
she has yet to dabble in CS3 inDesign.  Is there a way to distinguish  
what files were created in CS2 as opposed to CS3, like the way the  
Quark icons display?  Is there a way to get these CS2 icons back short  
of back ups?  Did I upgrade somehow wrong?  Upgrading seemed pretty  
straight forward.

Thanks

Greg
Press Express
Rhinelander, WI
From thom at acepm.com  Tue Jan  1 15:09:46 2008
From: thom at acepm.com (Thom)
Date: Tue Jan  1 15:10:04 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Hi all From Fla
In-Reply-To: <008d01c84c9a$68475900$0201a8c0@JGrossLaptop>
References: <20071226221035.M73965@mpcny.com>
	<477512BC.26785.FF0D4EE@slb.inkspot.net>
	<008d01c84c9a$68475900$0201a8c0@JGrossLaptop>
Message-ID: <C517FCA4-F7DB-4358-BC63-0A19E7CB3F91@acepm.com>

Yes, kinds let's the rest of us know what NOT to do.

Thom Gulyas
ACE Printing & Mailing

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 1, 2008, at 12:19 PM, "John Gross" <jgross@techiowa.com> wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I like it when the whole world is interested in what we Iowans think  
> in a couple of days.  They seem to respect our opinions.
>
> John Gross
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Blatman" <slb@inkspot.net>
> To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" <printowners@printweb.org 
> >
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 2:14 PM
> Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Hi all From Fla
>
>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> Is that a measure of the political manure accumulating on the ground,
>> or that white precipitation stuff? <g>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>>
>>> 6 inches due today in Iowa.  Wish we were there.
>>>
>>> John A. Gross
>>> Technigraphics, Inc.
>>> PO Box 1846
>>> Iowa City, Iowa 52244
>>> jgross@techiowa.com
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
>>> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of john
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 4:12 PM
>>> To: printowners@printweb.org
>>> Subject: [PrintOwners] Hi all From Fla
>>>
>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>>
>>> I made, it kids alive and disney is open, fed the mouse to 11:55  
>>> over 14
>>> hours of disney fun
>>>
>>> Fla John....
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> PrintOwners Discussion List
>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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>>
>> Steve Blatman
>> Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
>> 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
>> Tel: 610-647-0776
>> Fax: 610-647-4560
>>
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From zapit at zapcolor.com  Tue Jan  1 16:27:42 2008
From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez)
Date: Tue Jan  1 16:28:02 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Off: Happy New Years - Photos from our BVI Trip
In-Reply-To: <20080101170003.2B80DD49625@rb.enter.net>
References: <20080101170003.2B80DD49625@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <F3D817DA-C09C-468A-9015-1F62AFAEB21F@zapcolor.com>

Here are a few of the photos from St Thomas, Tortola and Jost Van Dyke:

  http://tinyurl.com/3eyw83

I hope everyone has a great New Year.


>

Eugene Montanez
ZAP Printing & Graphics
127 Radio Rd
Corona, CA 92879
951-734-8181

Zapit@zapcolor.com




From acepm2 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  1 17:56:36 2008
From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas)
Date: Tue Jan  1 17:56:47 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Off: Happy New Years - Photos from our BVI Trip
In-Reply-To: <F3D817DA-C09C-468A-9015-1F62AFAEB21F@zapcolor.com>
References: <20080101170003.2B80DD49625@rb.enter.net>
	<F3D817DA-C09C-468A-9015-1F62AFAEB21F@zapcolor.com>
Message-ID: <c2778de30801011456t4cda74c0v25ea1d58e4c48671@mail.gmail.com>

Eugene,

Excellent Photos! I KNOW you had a most enjoyable time!

You were there two weeks... yes?

Thom Gulyas
ACE Printing & Mailing
www.acepm.com





On Jan 1, 2008 4:27 PM, Eugene Montanez <zapit@zapcolor.com> wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Here are a few of the photos from St Thomas, Tortola and Jost Van Dyke:
>
>   http://tinyurl.com/3eyw83
>
> I hope everyone has a great New Year.
>
>
> >
>
> Eugene Montanez
> ZAP Printing & Graphics
> 127 Radio Rd
> Corona, CA 92879
> 951-734-8181
>
> Zapit@zapcolor.com
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>



-- 
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ACE Printing & Mailing
Berlin, Maryland 21811
www.acepm.com
From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Tue Jan  1 18:11:17 2008
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Tue Jan  1 18:11:18 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Off: Happy New Years - Photos from our BVI Trip
In-Reply-To: <c2778de30801011456t4cda74c0v25ea1d58e4c48671@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080101170003.2B80DD49625@rb.enter.net><F3D817DA-C09C-468A-9015-1F62AFAEB21F@zapcolor.com>
	<c2778de30801011456t4cda74c0v25ea1d58e4c48671@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002f01c84ccb$9d5e63a0$6401a8c0@corapurvine>

Cheeseburgers look the same though<G> Do they taste any different? 


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

-
On Jan 1, 2008 4:27 PM, Eugene Montanez <zapit@zapcolor.com> wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Here are a few of the photos from St Thomas, Tortola and Jost Van Dyke:
>
>   http://tinyurl.com/3eyw83
>
> I hope everyone has a great New Year.
>
>
> >
>
> Eugene Montanez
> ZAP Printing & Graphics
> 127 Radio Rd
> Corona, CA 92879
> 951-734-8181
>
> Zapit@zapcolor.com
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
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>


From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Tue Jan  1 18:19:07 2008
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan  1 18:19:26 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Off: Happy New Years - Photos from our BVI Trip
Message-ID: <c7c.1dff5a69.34ac246b@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 1/1/2008 4:34:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
zapit@zapcolor.com writes:

Here are  a few of the photos from St Thomas, Tortola and Jost Van Dyke:

http://tinyurl.com/3eyw83

I hope everyone has a great New  Year.



Eugene,
 
Great photos but all my captions are missing.... I would like, at a  minimum, 
date, time, location, water temperature and I would also like you to  post 
any picture of topless natives that you might have captured.
 
John  Stewart
The Quick Consultant
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
321-727-2442
FAX  321-727-2166
Cell: 321-794-6259
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From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Wed Jan  2 08:50:47 2008
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Wed Jan  2 08:51:09 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] CS2 to CS3 mac upgrade
In-Reply-To: <3C7CE2E9-A089-42F4-B8F1-E8562BAAB9DF@pressexpress.org>
References: <3C7CE2E9-A089-42F4-B8F1-E8562BAAB9DF@pressexpress.org>
Message-ID: <17D54916-480A-4995-AC4B-2C3B38E1D09F@falconprintandcopy.com>

I don't think you're doing to have any luck with the icons.  We  
started resaving the file names with CS3 in them at first.  We we'd  
have a business cards.indd, and open it and save as with  
businessscardscs3.indd.  You will have to resave every CS2 file when  
you open it, and can decide the replace the old file or give it a  
different name.  That way you can keep the files separate for a while  
if you want.

That being said, our upgrade to CS3 was seamless  Tell your graphic  
artist he/she has nothing to worry about.  I wouldn't sweat it at all.

Borzou Azabdaftari
Falcon Print and Copy
1921 Gallows Road
Suite 150
Vienna, VA 22182
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134



On Jan 1, 2008, at 1:53 PM, Greg Weinfurter wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Immediately after upgrading to CS3 on the mac, we launched  
> inDesign.  Immediately, ALL inDesign file icons upgraded to the new  
> magenta look and when I get info on a file that was created in CS2,  
> it states that it is a CS3 file.  My graphic artist is a bit freaked  
> by this since she has yet to dabble in CS3 inDesign.  Is there a way  
> to distinguish what files were created in CS2 as opposed to CS3,  
> like the way the Quark icons display?  Is there a way to get these  
> CS2 icons back short of back ups?  Did I upgrade somehow wrong?   
> Upgrading seemed pretty straight forward.
>
> Thanks
>
> Greg
> Press Express
> Rhinelander, WI
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>




borzou@falconprintandcopy.com



From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com  Wed Jan  2 10:20:32 2008
From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake)
Date: Wed Jan  2 10:21:52 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Off: Happy New Years - Photos from our BVI Trip
In-Reply-To: <F3D817DA-C09C-468A-9015-1F62AFAEB21F@zapcolor.com>
References: <20080101170003.2B80DD49625@rb.enter.net>
	<F3D817DA-C09C-468A-9015-1F62AFAEB21F@zapcolor.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAABqOJJVFs7dPkZHt8j+NQHgBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>

How come all the pictures of empty hammocks? I thought you were supposed to
be using them.

Mark Lake
PIP Printing
368 Jefferson Street
Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235
920.743.7370     920.743.4633 Fax
www.pipsturgeonbay.com      
Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com
 
To send a file to us, please use the link below
http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Montanez
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:28 PM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] Off: Happy New Years - Photos from our BVI Trip

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Here are a few of the photos from St Thomas, Tortola and Jost Van Dyke:

  http://tinyurl.com/3eyw83

I hope everyone has a great New Year.


>

Eugene Montanez
ZAP Printing & Graphics
127 Radio Rd
Corona, CA 92879
951-734-8181

Zapit@zapcolor.com




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From prtquick at eos.net  Wed Jan  2 10:42:44 2008
From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke)
Date: Wed Jan  2 10:42:09 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Good Press
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAABqOJJVFs7dPkZHt8j+NQHgBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>
References: <20080101170003.2B80DD49625@rb.enter.net>
	<F3D817DA-C09C-468A-9015-1F62AFAEB21F@zapcolor.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAABqOJJVFs7dPkZHt8j+NQHgBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>
Message-ID: <09E49B30-1CCB-4B34-8B74-44E2251F82C8@eos.net>

Gail got us some good local press with a press release:

http://news.communitypress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080102/ 
LIFE/301010001

Way to go Gail! She wrote that, took the photo, and sent it in. The  
paper is using her release word for word.

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From jacemeister at gmail.com  Wed Jan  2 11:12:18 2008
From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean)
Date: Wed Jan  2 11:12:39 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] IR 105 Screens and Halftones
Message-ID: <de1d94970801020812v16b91d39seb0cacfd2606b63c@mail.gmail.com>

We've been having this machine for two years now and I've never been
impressed with the consistency of screens and halftones. It's better
than our older machines and is consistent from copy to copy, but the
quality and consistency of screened areas doesn't cut it for us and
we're having to run many newsletter jobs on presses that we'd hoped to
convert.

What is your experience with this machine (or others)? Brand and type
of paper doesn't seem to make a difference. Large screens have light
areas, streaks and inconsistencies. Is it just our machine or do you
have the same issues?

TIA
-- 
Jace Prejean
Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc
922 Sunset Ave
Houma, LA 70360
Phone 985-868-8273

www.BayouPrinting.com
From priorityprinting at comcast.net  Wed Jan  2 11:18:12 2008
From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net)
Date: Wed Jan  2 11:18:27 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Graphic Design Price List
Message-ID: <010220081618.1194.477BB9440000D06E000004AA22007636920902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net>

We have always charged for graphic design by the minute.  When we have to give an estimate we provide a pricing range for the work.  I think that this makes some new or potential customers wary of doing business with us.  They assume we will take advantage of them.  We are considering developing a price list for most of the typical graphic work that we do.  If anyone is using a fixed pricing structure for basic graphic design I would like to get some feedback if I could.  Thanks.

Jeff Farber
Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc.
1323 E. Main Street
Flushing, MI 48433
810 487-1700
From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Wed Jan  2 11:30:09 2008
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan  2 11:30:38 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Graphic Design Price List
Message-ID: <cbd.23c8f420.34ad1611@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 1/2/2008 11:18:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
priorityprinting@comcast.net writes:

They  assume we will take advantage of them.  We are considering developing a 
 price list for most of the typical graphic work that we do.  If anyone is  
using a fixed pricing structure for basic graphic design I would like to get  
some feedback if I could.  Thanks.



Jeff,
 
That is why I so strongly believe in the use of some type of "Wine List"  
approach. We have 5-6 3-ring notebooks on the front counter. Each book carries a  
description on the spine describing the types of samples inside. 
 
Each book contains anywhere from 20-50 samples, each enclosed in a  
plastic-sleeved sheet separator. When we can, we display the items from simplest  
through more difficult as you go through the book.
 
Up in the corner, we have small pricing stickers listing a range of DTP  
charges for that specific type of work. You can pull these numbers or ranges  
($65-85, $45-55) out of thin air if you want, but the fact that they are printed  
leaves little ambiguity about what something similar will cost to layout and  
design.
 
We've always had boxes near the shrink wrap, cutter and folder into which  
are tossed samples of jobs going through that work station so we are never at a  
loss for samples. The "Wine List" approach is termed that in a sense that a  
fancy wine list actually displays samples of the wine labels.... this is one  
step advanced and better in my mind than a simple menu that lists flyers,  
letterheads, etc. Without a picture attached to what you are describing, it is  
difficult for the customer to judge whether something would be considered  
simple, moderate or complex from a design standpoint.
 

John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)   

by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 

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West Melbourne, FL 32904
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From char at themasterspress.com  Wed Jan  2 11:31:54 2008
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Wed Jan  2 11:32:13 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] IR 105 Screens and Halftones
In-Reply-To: <de1d94970801020812v16b91d39seb0cacfd2606b63c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <de1d94970801020812v16b91d39seb0cacfd2606b63c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006f01c84d5d$05abc6a0$0b01a8c0@CharXP>

Jace we hate the screens on the IR 105 also.  After getting the Konica and
seeing what it does on screens made me even more disappointed.  It cost more
to run it on the Konica so we charge more but it looks great.  Some people
it doesn't bother, but others are looking for higher quality on the screens
and photos.  I hear the new 105 are better but from what I have seen doesn't
look as good as I would like.
Charlene

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jace Prejean
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:12 AM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] IR 105 Screens and Halftones

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

We've been having this machine for two years now and I've never been
impressed with the consistency of screens and halftones. It's better
than our older machines and is consistent from copy to copy, but the
quality and consistency of screened areas doesn't cut it for us and
we're having to run many newsletter jobs on presses that we'd hoped to
convert.

What is your experience with this machine (or others)? Brand and type
of paper doesn't seem to make a difference. Large screens have light
areas, streaks and inconsistencies. Is it just our machine or do you
have the same issues?

TIA
-- 
Jace Prejean
Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc
922 Sunset Ave
Houma, LA 70360
Phone 985-868-8273

www.BayouPrinting.com
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From s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com  Wed Jan  2 11:32:15 2008
From: s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com (Sonya Hughes)
Date: Wed Jan  2 11:34:05 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Donations,
	Customer Loyalty and Merry Christmas to me (a rant)
In-Reply-To: <2248F6E8-7479-4EC0-BA47-E8A53B646EFD@pressexpress.org>
References: <DA9DF01D89CD4E68BB653F64627F5CC4@RaySziberPC>
	<CBF8358F-0F96-404F-B9A8-AB6A1D27767F@falconprintandcopy.com>
	<0C14FF07-96A0-4043-8645-03326E0A5D6D@legendsofdodgecity.com>
	<2248F6E8-7479-4EC0-BA47-E8A53B646EFD@pressexpress.org>
Message-ID: <3795D8FF-0CCB-43D4-A21A-6D3BFD4207DF@legendsofdodgecity.com>

Greg et al ... feel free to use all or any part.

Happy New Year!

Sonya
Legends Printing
Dodge City, KS

On Dec 28, 2007, at 3:27 PM, Greg Weinfurter wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Sonya, that is beautifully worded.  May I use it?  Whether good or  
> bad, it is pleasing for me to know that I am not alone with this  
> one.  Too much work goes out of my area.  This is very fitting and  
> wish to use it.  Just maybe, I can get the point across to at least  
> a few of the many that are so naive.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> On Dec 28, 2007, at 11:14 AM, Sonya Hughes wrote:
>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> I have to weigh in on this issue. Living in a remote rural area,  
>> keeping our dollars here to spend with one another is extremely  
>> important.
>>
>> The following is something we circulate from time to time. This  
>> whole process is so convoluted. I know people who sell advertising  
>> for the radio station who drove 150 miles to Wichita to buy their  
>> new kitchen cabinets to save $, when EVERYTHING they do - is  
>> dependent on the business they get from their locals.  The  
>> community college, or school district, or city and county  
>> government offices ... they all go outside of our community to do  
>> the bulk of their business. They have the perfect rationale, when  
>> asked why. Because they can save $,  and that is part of their  
>> job!  And they are frequently right. We cannot do some of their  
>> stuff as cheaply as a specialty house can ... especially if we  
>> have to job it out. Now with the internet ... where does that  
>> leave us? As for this list below, they all expect us to still do  
>> these things.  And if we don't, that emboldens them to go  
>> elsewhere. Frankly, I don't see how we can win this one.
>>
>>
>> I am a business located in Dodge City ...
>>
>> As a member of this community, I pledge to do as much of the
>> following as I can:
>>
>> ?	I will serve on your boards, your committees and task forces
>>
>> ?	I will donate goods and sevices to local causes
>>
>> ?	I will support school carnivals and buy Girl Scout Cookies
>>
>> ?	I will discount my services to people or projects with special  
>> needs and circumstances
>>
>> ?	I will volunteer for worthy causes
>>
>> ?	I will mentor your children
>>
>> ?	I will hire your children
>>
>> ?	I will strive to protect what is morally right and just, with my  
>> vote, with my community involvement, and with my business practices
>>
>> ?	I will pay my taxes
>>
>> But I can do none of these things without your business. I cannot  
>> always compete with traveling salesmen, with catalogs, with the  
>> Internet, with the ?big city experts? who ?work? our town. Those  
>> people probably
>> attend to their own communities, but rarely participate in ours.  
>> One thing is certain: If you don?t give me an opportunity to serve  
>> you on an ongoing basis ? I won?t be here. Nor will the people who  
>> work for me. Your patronage is particularly important in our rual  
>> area where we are more dependent on one another.
>>
>> Please remember me when you need something. I will do my best to  
>> serve you promptly, professionally and personally. But keep in  
>> mind ? that even when we are not working together, I am fulfilling  
>> my pledge every day to help Dodge City.
>>
>> Sonya Hughes
>> Legends Printing
>> Dodge City, KS
>>
>>>
>>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I know this is a subject often raised on this list, but here is  
>>>> a new
>>>> angle:
>>>>
>>>> I have been a loyal and active member of my small, local church  
>>>> for more
>>>> than 25 years; giving lots of dollars, donating printing and  
>>>> serving on
>>>> various committees, building repair, etc. Guess what arrived in my
>>>> mailbox this week? A full color booklet put together by a church
>>>> volunteer but not printed by my company. No bids, no request to  
>>>> help out
>>>> or have some input. And, of course, the brochure asks for a  
>>>> generous
>>>> donation from me.
>>>>
>>>> Another church in my town, same denomination, does a nice amount  
>>>> of work
>>>> with us, sends us a handwritten, personal thank you note every  
>>>> year and
>>>> has NEVER asked for a nickel in donations, even though their  
>>>> church roof
>>>> collapsed this year and they are having Christmas services in a  
>>>> barn!
>>>> So, as my General Manager often says: "there is no loyalty
>>>> anymore...it's all about price."
>>>>
>>>> My Christmas gift to me and this other church: I am transferring my
>>>> membership there. They already know what loyalty means. And, I  
>>>> hope my
>>>> former church saved a nickel on printing costs this  
>>>> year....because they
>>>> will have to make up my contributions in some other way.
>>>>
>>>> Personally, it's not the money, it's the lack of understanding  
>>>> by some
>>>> that printing services is what puts food on my family's table.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes for a safe holiday season to all on the list.
>>>>
>>>> Ray Sziber
>>>> President
>>>> Capitol Copy Service NAQP NAPL GAA
>>>> 116 West State Street
>>>> Trenton NJ 08608
>>>> 609-989-8776
>>>> www.Capitol-Copy.com
>>>>
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From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com  Wed Jan  2 12:10:52 2008
From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt)
Date: Wed Jan  2 12:11:29 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] IR 105 Screens and Halftones
In-Reply-To: <de1d94970801020812v16b91d39seb0cacfd2606b63c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3A121BC.1D61A%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>

On 1/2/08 10:12 AM, "Jace Prejean" <jacemeister@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> What is your experience with this machine (or others)? Brand and type
> of paper doesn't seem to make a difference. Large screens have light
> areas, streaks and inconsistencies. Is it just our machine or do you
> have the same issues?

Hi Jace,

We are on our second 105 and have also found that the screens are not good.
Had the same problem with the first one. The current one also tends to print
everything very light, which our tech can't seem to improve.

Last year we replaced a IR7200 with a BizHub 1050 and the difference in how
it handles screens is huge. If you add in the finishing capabilities it is a
great machine. 

Hope this helps.

Cyndy
-- 
Cyndy Wendt
President
Pioneer Printing, Inc.
3133 S. 7th., Suite D
Lincoln, Nebraska 68502
cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com

402.483.7575



From jacemeister at gmail.com  Wed Jan  2 12:10:58 2008
From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean)
Date: Wed Jan  2 12:11:41 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] IR 105 Screens and Halftones
In-Reply-To: <006f01c84d5d$05abc6a0$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
References: <de1d94970801020812v16b91d39seb0cacfd2606b63c@mail.gmail.com>
	<006f01c84d5d$05abc6a0$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
Message-ID: <de1d94970801020910o3d199d4dhd09a25124bfcc01d@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Charlene.

I'd be losing too much profit and production time to run this book on
the C500 as it's 80,000 11" x 17" clicks. Our Horizon booklet maker
will knock it out quick and cheap but due to press production backlogs
it would have been a good fit for the IR 105.
-- 
Jace Prejean
Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc
922 Sunset Ave
Houma, LA 70360
Phone 985-868-8273

www.BayouPrinting.com



On Jan 2, 2008 10:31 AM, Charlene Sims <char@themasterspress.com> wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Jace we hate the screens on the IR 105 also.  After getting the Konica and
> seeing what it does on screens made me even more disappointed.  It cost more
> to run it on the Konica so we charge more but it looks great.  Some people
> it doesn't bother, but others are looking for higher quality on the screens
> and photos.  I hear the new 105 are better but from what I have seen doesn't
> look as good as I would like.
> Charlene
>
> Charlene Sims
>
> The Master's Press, Inc
> 14550 Midway Road
> Dallas, Tx  75244
> 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
> char@themasterspress.com
> www.themasterspress.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jace Prejean
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:12 AM
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> Subject: [PrintOwners] IR 105 Screens and Halftones
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> We've been having this machine for two years now and I've never been
> impressed with the consistency of screens and halftones. It's better
> than our older machines and is consistent from copy to copy, but the
> quality and consistency of screened areas doesn't cut it for us and
> we're having to run many newsletter jobs on presses that we'd hoped to
> convert.
>
> What is your experience with this machine (or others)? Brand and type
> of paper doesn't seem to make a difference. Large screens have light
> areas, streaks and inconsistencies. Is it just our machine or do you
> have the same issues?
>
> TIA
> --
> Jace Prejean
> Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc
> 922 Sunset Ave
> Houma, LA 70360
> Phone 985-868-8273
>
> www.BayouPrinting.com
From dvmonto at optonline.net  Wed Jan  2 12:18:04 2008
From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto)
Date: Wed Jan  2 12:18:41 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] IR 105 Screens and Halftones
In-Reply-To: <de1d94970801020812v16b91d39seb0cacfd2606b63c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3A1317C.2BDA5%dvmonto@optonline.net>

We have the IR 8500 and have the same inconsistency problems as you
describe. Darker screens seem OK, it is the lighter ones that give problems.


-- 
David V. Monto

Sir Speedy Printing
1837 South Road
Wappingers Falls, NY 12590

Phone:845-298-8898
Fax: 845-298-8537
email: dvmonto@optonline.net
-- 
"I think there is a world market for maybe  five computers."
 - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943



On 1/2/08 11:12 AM, "Jace Prejean" <jacemeister@gmail.com> wrote:

> We've been having this machine for two years now and I've never been
> impressed with the consistency of screens and halftones. It's better
> than our older machines and is consistent from copy to copy, but the
> quality and consistency of screened areas doesn't cut it for us and
> we're having to run many newsletter jobs on presses that we'd hoped to
> convert.
> 
> What is your experience with this machine (or others)? Brand and type
> of paper doesn't seem to make a difference. Large screens have light
> areas, streaks and inconsistencies. Is it just our machine or do you
> have the same issues?
> 
> TIA


From printer at ptialaska.net  Wed Jan  2 12:20:27 2008
From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln)
Date: Wed Jan  2 12:20:45 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] IR 105 Screens and Halftones
In-Reply-To: <C3A1317C.2BDA5%dvmonto@optonline.net>
References: <C3A1317C.2BDA5%dvmonto@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <980231C0-1EF0-447F-97C4-1B13F8CBE1C1@ptialaska.net>


On Jan 2, 2008, at 8:18 AM, David Monto wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> We have the IR 8500 and have the same inconsistency problems as you
> describe. Darker screens seem OK, it is the lighter ones that give  
> problems.


REPLY:
Which RIP? We have and M1 and an M2 and the M2 is better.


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Charles Lincoln
ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
612 30th Avenue
Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
(907) 451-1111
fax (907) 451-4511

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From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Wed Jan  2 12:26:05 2008
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Wed Jan  2 12:26:19 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] IR 105 Screens and Halftones
In-Reply-To: <C3A121BC.1D61A%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
References: <C3A121BC.1D61A%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
Message-ID: <AB302F7A-BBF7-4496-99E9-BF0FC55DE4AE@falconprintandcopy.com>

We have had some of the same issues with our new iR7105, and found two  
pretty good ways around it.

If you're printing from a MAC:
Go to the printer features/options from your print menu, go find the  
halftone screen option, and switch to gradation.

If you're printing from a PC:
Install the other driver.  Canon/Fiery/Everyone recommends you use the  
Post Script driver for their products.  There is another driver (on  
our Canon its called the S1 PCL driver) that they discourage us from  
using.  They said it RIPs slower (which it does), but it will look  
better.  The print properties will look/be completely different.   
Click on quality and set it to publication.  We only use this for  
items with large screens, or lots of logos in Word or PDF files.  (If  
you've ever had a client tell you something looks better on their  
printer than yours, particularly pixelation around logos, its because  
they're using this driver, and you should be doing the same).

If you have a PC, I recommend using the PCL driver on it.  Its a  
better solution than gradation option on the mac.  Now the truth is  
either of these methods actually brings down line screen.  Everything  
looks better though (photos, logos, screens....everything).  I usually  
end up printing one copy from the mac, and one from each print driver  
on the pc for jobs that have intricate art, just incase the PS does  
look better.  But that's pretty rare.

Borzou Azabdaftari
Falcon Print and Copy
1921 Gallows Road
Suite 150
Vienna, VA 22182
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134
borzou@falconprintandcopy.com






On Jan 2, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Cyndy Wendt wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> On 1/2/08 10:12 AM, "Jace Prejean" <jacemeister@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> What is your experience with this machine (or others)? Brand and type
>> of paper doesn't seem to make a difference. Large screens have light
>> areas, streaks and inconsistencies. Is it just our machine or do you
>> have the same issues?
>
> Hi Jace,
>
> We are on our second 105 and have also found that the screens are  
> not good.
> Had the same problem with the first one. The current one also tends  
> to print
> everything very light, which our tech can't seem to improve.
>
> Last year we replaced a IR7200 with a BizHub 1050 and the difference  
> in how
> it handles screens is huge. If you add in the finishing capabilities  
> it is a
> great machine.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Cyndy
> -- 
> Cyndy Wendt
> President
> Pioneer Printing, Inc.
> 3133 S. 7th., Suite D
> Lincoln, Nebraska 68502
> cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com
>
> 402.483.7575
>
>
>
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>




From printer at ptialaska.net  Wed Jan  2 12:27:58 2008
From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln)
Date: Wed Jan  2 12:28:11 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Recycling
In-Reply-To: <C3A1317C.2BDA5%dvmonto@optonline.net>
References: <C3A1317C.2BDA5%dvmonto@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <AAC34DBA-AA16-4BBE-B5D7-1D175609582E@ptialaska.net>

 >According to Abitibi's records, so far (since earlier in the summer)  
Brentwood Printing & Envelope has recycled 3.489 tons of paper, saving  
23 cubic yards of landfill space and 14,312 kilowatt hours of energy.


REPLY:
WHAT, you better check your presses and see why there is so much  
waste. That must be a misprint. 3489 TONS since summer??? That is  
almost 7 million pounds of waste.


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Charles Lincoln
ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
612 30th Avenue
Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
(907) 451-1111
fax (907) 451-4511

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From zapit at zapcolor.com  Wed Jan  2 12:29:28 2008
From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez)
Date: Wed Jan  2 12:29:40 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Empty hammocks and topless natives
In-Reply-To: <20080102163405.7BB30D4C54F@rb.enter.net>
References: <20080102163405.7BB30D4C54F@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <B2E25D2A-16B9-45FD-B896-056D7E080ABE@zapcolor.com>

Sorry John, no topless natives.

As far as empty hammocks, you wouldn't have wanted that photos either.  
Much better left to the imagination!

http://web.mac.com/zapprinting/iWeb/Jost%20Van%20Dyke%20-%20Tortola%20-%20St%20Thomas%202007/Photos_files/IMG_0025.jpg

This photo is where we spent most of the time, if you have a few  
minutes NOT getting your business plans for the New Year in order,  
Google "soggy dollar bar".



On Jan 2, 2008, at 8:34 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote:

> How come all the pictures of empty hammocks? I thought you were  
> supposed to
> be using them

Eugene Montanez
ZAP Printing & Graphics
127 Radio Rd
Corona, CA 92879
951-734-8181

Zapit@zapcolor.com




From sgfinke at fuse.net  Wed Jan  2 12:36:19 2008
From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke)
Date: Wed Jan  2 12:37:20 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Recycling
In-Reply-To: <AAC34DBA-AA16-4BBE-B5D7-1D175609582E@ptialaska.net>
References: <C3A1317C.2BDA5%dvmonto@optonline.net>
	<AAC34DBA-AA16-4BBE-B5D7-1D175609582E@ptialaska.net>
Message-ID: <20DBE7A6-251D-42BD-BFB3-2835A5D3A73F@fuse.net>



What's the matter with 7 million pounds, don't you waste that much in  
set-ups?

3 POINT 489, not 3 COMMA 489. Seven thousand pounds, not seven million.


Gail Finke
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Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc.	
8630 Winton Road
Cincinnati, OH 45231
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(513) 522-2679
Fax 522-2692
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www.brentwood-printing.com




On Jan 2, 2008, at 12:27 PM, Charles A. Lincoln wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> >According to Abitibi's records, so far (since earlier in the  
> summer) Brentwood Printing & Envelope has recycled 3.489 tons of  
> paper, saving 23 cubic yards of landfill space and 14,312 kilowatt  
> hours of energy.
>
>
> REPLY:
> WHAT, you better check your presses and see why there is so much  
> waste. That must be a misprint. 3489 TONS since summer??? That is  
> almost 7 million pounds of waste.
>
>
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>
> Charles Lincoln
> ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
> 612 30th Avenue
> Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
> (907) 451-1111
> fax (907) 451-4511
>
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From ppiinc7 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  2 12:42:44 2008
From: ppiinc7 at gmail.com (John Steffes)
Date: Wed Jan  2 12:42:59 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Sewn Booklets
Message-ID: <a5714d730801020942h6e11fe7fo24b80bdec4a6bf57@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have a source that can sew booklets rather than saddlestitch
them?

-- 
John Steffes
Printing Plus
Delray Beach, FL
From printer at ptialaska.net  Wed Jan  2 12:54:50 2008
From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln)
Date: Wed Jan  2 12:55:15 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Recycling
In-Reply-To: <20DBE7A6-251D-42BD-BFB3-2835A5D3A73F@fuse.net>
References: <C3A1317C.2BDA5%dvmonto@optonline.net>
	<AAC34DBA-AA16-4BBE-B5D7-1D175609582E@ptialaska.net>
	<20DBE7A6-251D-42BD-BFB3-2835A5D3A73F@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <0BCFEA27-B45E-4EBA-A2B6-E605D308252C@ptialaska.net>

On Jan 2, 2008, at 8:36 AM, Scott and Gail Finke wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> 3 POINT 489, not 3 COMMA 489. Seven thousand pounds, not seven  
> million.


REPLY:
Whew, you had me worried there, I better get glasses this year<g>. We  
have a running debate in our area if recycling really helps the  
environment or not. I have heard views from both sides. In our remote  
area it is not really offered. It would cost more and use more  
resources to send our waste out of state since there are no recycling  
facilities. When people move here from areas that recycle they are  
freaked out, it is almost like a religion to some. To us recycling is  
when we save our scrap and make note pads out of it.

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Charles Lincoln
ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
612 30th Avenue
Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
(907) 451-1111
fax (907) 451-4511

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From prtquick at eos.net  Wed Jan  2 13:01:39 2008
From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke)
Date: Wed Jan  2 13:01:06 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Recycling
In-Reply-To: <AAC34DBA-AA16-4BBE-B5D7-1D175609582E@ptialaska.net>
References: <C3A1317C.2BDA5%dvmonto@optonline.net>
	<AAC34DBA-AA16-4BBE-B5D7-1D175609582E@ptialaska.net>
Message-ID: <8542B997-7518-4FBF-AFBB-E86AD0331984@eos.net>

""That must be a misprint. 3489 TONS since summer??? That is almost 7  
million pounds of waste.""

Pretty good for 2 pressmen. Think how much I can waste next year!


Scott Finke
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On Jan 2, 2008, at 12:27 PM, Charles A. Lincoln wrote:

> That must be a misprint. 3489 TONS since summer??? That is almost 7  
> million pounds of waste.

From dvmonto at optonline.net  Wed Jan  2 13:13:36 2008
From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto)
Date: Wed Jan  2 13:13:55 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] IR 105 Screens and Halftones
In-Reply-To: <980231C0-1EF0-447F-97C4-1B13F8CBE1C1@ptialaska.net>
Message-ID: <C3A13E80.2BDBC%dvmonto@optonline.net>

On 1/2/08 12:20 PM, "Charles A. Lincoln" <printer@ptialaska.net> wrote:

>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>> 
>> We have the IR 8500 and have the same inconsistency problems as you
>> describe. Darker screens seem OK, it is the lighter ones that give
>> problems.
> 
> 
> REPLY:
> Which RIP? We have and M1 and an M2 and the M2 is better.


M2 rip.

I could only imagine how much worse the M1 was!


-- 
David V. Monto

Sir Speedy Printing
1837 South Road
Wappingers Falls, NY 12590

Phone:845-298-8898
Fax: 845-298-8537
email: dvmonto@optonline.net
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 - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943



From bob at gallagherprint.com  Wed Jan  2 13:55:00 2008
From: bob at gallagherprint.com (Bob Gallagher)
Date: Wed Jan  2 13:55:15 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Recycling
In-Reply-To: <AAC34DBA-AA16-4BBE-B5D7-1D175609582E@ptialaska.net>
Message-ID: <C3A14834.2AD73%bob@gallagherprint.com>

On 1/2/08 12:27 PM, "Charles A. Lincoln" <printer@ptialaska.net> wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
>> According to Abitibi's records, so far (since earlier in the summer)
> Brentwood Printing & Envelope has recycled 3.489 tons of paper, saving
> 23 cubic yards of landfill space and 14,312 kilowatt hours of energy.
> 
These recycling figures are a joke. We have a 5 yard dumpster in back for
cardboard. It gets emptied once a week, whether it is full or empty. At the
end of the year, we get a form from our trash hauler certifying that we
recycled 260 cubic yards of cardboard. 5 X 52 weeks. They also send this
information to the county which in turn reports to the state so that the
entire state can smugly show these inflated numbers. The Feds then take
those numbers and compile even better statistics.

I have no idea how much we actually recycle, but it's nowhere near 260
yards.

Bob Gallagher
Gallagher Printing, Inc.
601 W. Main Street
Palmyra, PA 17078
717-838-1527
1-888-838-1527
Fax 717-838-5715
<bob@gallagherprint.com>
http://www.gallagherprint.com

An Adobe Service Provider
A Microsoft Publisher Provider
Member, Adobe Solutions Network


From jgross at techiowa.com  Wed Jan  2 13:57:50 2008
From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross)
Date: Wed Jan  2 13:58:23 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Recycling
In-Reply-To: <0BCFEA27-B45E-4EBA-A2B6-E605D308252C@ptialaska.net>
Message-ID: <000701c84d71$62a346d0$1e00000a@tech.local>

In Alaska, recycling can be called "kindling".

John A. Gross
Technigraphics, Inc.
PO Box 1846
Iowa City, Iowa 52244
jgross@techiowa.com

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From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charles A. Lincoln
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 11:55 AM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Recycling

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

On Jan 2, 2008, at 8:36 AM, Scott and Gail Finke wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> 3 POINT 489, not 3 COMMA 489. Seven thousand pounds, not seven  
> million.


REPLY:
Whew, you had me worried there, I better get glasses this year<g>. We  
have a running debate in our area if recycling really helps the  
environment or not. I have heard views from both sides. In our remote  
area it is not really offered. It would cost more and use more  
resources to send our waste out of state since there are no recycling  
facilities. When people move here from areas that recycle they are  
freaked out, it is almost like a religion to some. To us recycling is  
when we save our scrap and make note pads out of it.

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

Charles Lincoln
ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
612 30th Avenue
Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
(907) 451-1111
fax (907) 451-4511

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From jacemeister at gmail.com  Wed Jan  2 14:00:03 2008
From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean)
Date: Wed Jan  2 14:00:31 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] IR 105 Screens and Halftones
In-Reply-To: <AB302F7A-BBF7-4496-99E9-BF0FC55DE4AE@falconprintandcopy.com>
References: <C3A121BC.1D61A%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
	<AB302F7A-BBF7-4496-99E9-BF0FC55DE4AE@falconprintandcopy.com>
Message-ID: <de1d94970801021100x51e4cc6dm581b7638ffaa46b3@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Borzou! Very interesting. I've forwarded it to my copy tech
and ask him to report back this afternoon. Regarding Charles'
question, we have the M3 RIP. I hate to think there are others out
there that output lower quality.

I'd like to be able to get quotes on the BizHub Cindy mentioned but
have no local service. According to Larry Hunt's newsletter the
machines are priced comparably and click charges are about the same.
If we had local service we'd probably be getting better results from
our C500. The nearest KM dealer is 60 miles away and they aren't
likely to put our needs ahead of customers in New Orleans, especially
since we'd probably be their only customer in our town.

Thanks to all of you who offered input. I sincerely appreciate it.
-- 
Jace Prejean
Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc
922 Sunset Ave
Houma, LA 70360
Phone 985-868-8273

www.BayouPrinting.com



On Jan 2, 2008 11:26 AM, Borzou Azabdaftari
<borzou@falconprintandcopy.com> wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> We have had some of the same issues with our new iR7105, and found two
> pretty good ways around it.
>
> If you're printing from a MAC:
> Go to the printer features/options from your print menu, go find the
> halftone screen option, and switch to gradation.
>
> If you're printing from a PC:
> Install the other driver.  Canon/Fiery/Everyone recommends you use the
> Post Script driver for their products.  There is another driver (on
> our Canon its called the S1 PCL driver) that they discourage us from
> using.  They said it RIPs slower (which it does), but it will look
> better.  The print properties will look/be completely different.
> Click on quality and set it to publication.  We only use this for
> items with large screens, or lots of logos in Word or PDF files.  (If
> you've ever had a client tell you something looks better on their
> printer than yours, particularly pixelation around logos, its because
> they're using this driver, and you should be doing the same).
>
> If you have a PC, I recommend using the PCL driver on it.  Its a
> better solution than gradation option on the mac.  Now the truth is
> either of these methods actually brings down line screen.  Everything
> looks better though (photos, logos, screens....everything).  I usually
> end up printing one copy from the mac, and one from each print driver
> on the pc for jobs that have intricate art, just incase the PS does
> look better.  But that's pretty rare.
>
> Borzou Azabdaftari
> Falcon Print and Copy
> 1921 Gallows Road
> Suite 150
> Vienna, VA 22182
> t.703.442.0124
> f.703.442.0134
> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Cyndy Wendt wrote:
>
> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> >
> > On 1/2/08 10:12 AM, "Jace Prejean" <jacemeister@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> What is your experience with this machine (or others)? Brand and type
> >> of paper doesn't seem to make a difference. Large screens have light
> >> areas, streaks and inconsistencies. Is it just our machine or do you
> >> have the same issues?
> >
> > Hi Jace,
> >
> > We are on our second 105 and have also found that the screens are
> > not good.
> > Had the same problem with the first one. The current one also tends
> > to print
> > everything very light, which our tech can't seem to improve.
> >
> > Last year we replaced a IR7200 with a BizHub 1050 and the difference
> > in how
> > it handles screens is huge. If you add in the finishing capabilities
> > it is a
> > great machine.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Cyndy
> > --
> > Cyndy Wendt
> > President
> > Pioneer Printing, Inc.
> > 3133 S. 7th., Suite D
> > Lincoln, Nebraska 68502
> > cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com
> >
> > 402.483.7575
From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com  Wed Jan  2 14:19:16 2008
From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake)
Date: Wed Jan  2 14:20:41 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Recycling
In-Reply-To: <C3A14834.2AD73%bob@gallagherprint.com>
References: <AAC34DBA-AA16-4BBE-B5D7-1D175609582E@ptialaska.net>
	<C3A14834.2AD73%bob@gallagherprint.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAAM5c2goYsgVLsCsNqgBEW7sBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>

The only way they can know for sure is to either have a scale on the truck
or bring every individual pickup to the recycling center as they pick it up,
then weigh and dump. They take mine and dump it into a large truck and don't
stop dumping until they are full, then they take to the recycling center.
There is no way for them to know how much I've recycled in a year, and I'm
sure the way it is done with me is the same as most, if not all, other
haulers. 


Mark Lake
PIP Printing
368 Jefferson Street
Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235
920.743.7370     920.743.4633 Fax
www.pipsturgeonbay.com      
Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com
 
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From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Gallagher
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:55 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only; Charles A. Lincoln
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Recycling

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

On 1/2/08 12:27 PM, "Charles A. Lincoln" <printer@ptialaska.net> wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
>> According to Abitibi's records, so far (since earlier in the summer)
> Brentwood Printing & Envelope has recycled 3.489 tons of paper, saving
> 23 cubic yards of landfill space and 14,312 kilowatt hours of energy.
> 
At the end of the year, we get a form from our trash hauler certifying that
we recycled 260 cubic yards of cardboard. 5 X 52 weeks.





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From jacemeister at gmail.com  Wed Jan  2 14:25:27 2008
From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean)
Date: Wed Jan  2 14:25:45 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Dies for Rhin-O-Tuff
Message-ID: <de1d94970801021125h3d7debc0sb056797f9612a456@mail.gmail.com>

I'm in the middle of a project and just realized I don't have the
proper die for my HD-7700. I had originally bought the machine from
Southwest Plastics (actually, Charlene and I bought them together to
try to negotiate a better discount <g>).

It appears to be a 4:1 - .25" oval (Part #079450). To make matters
worse Rhino doesn't even have them in stock and I need to punch 2,000
books by Tuesday. Southwest Plastics quoted $1,750 for one die. Does
anyone have one they'd like to sell or even rent to me for a week? How
about a used equipment dealer who might have one?
-- 
Jace Prejean
Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc
922 Sunset Ave
Houma, LA 70360
Phone 985-868-8273

www.BayouPrinting.com
From prtquick at eos.net  Wed Jan  2 14:48:26 2008
From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke)
Date: Wed Jan  2 14:48:01 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Recycling
In-Reply-To: <C3A14834.2AD73%bob@gallagherprint.com>
References: <C3A14834.2AD73%bob@gallagherprint.com>
Message-ID: <7D6F304B-C900-4D69-AC9B-7648FB967C74@eos.net>

They weigh the dumpster as they pickup. I assume it weighs more when  
wet!
They keep track of it, and give a portion of the proceeds to my kid's  
school.
I don't receive any money, but I have cut our dumpster pickups in  
half. I also get good press.
So far this year we have made the school almost $15.00!! Woo!

Scott Finke
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On Jan 2, 2008, at 1:55 PM, Bob Gallagher wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> On 1/2/08 12:27 PM, "Charles A. Lincoln" <printer@ptialaska.net>  
> wrote:
>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>>> According to Abitibi's records, so far (since earlier in the summer)
>> Brentwood Printing & Envelope has recycled 3.489 tons of paper,  
>> saving
>> 23 cubic yards of landfill space and 14,312 kilowatt hours of energy.
>>
> These recycling figures are a joke. We have a 5 yard dumpster in  
> back for
> cardboard. It gets emptied once a week, whether it is full or  
> empty. At the
> end of the year, we get a form from our trash hauler certifying  
> that we
> recycled 260 cubic yards of cardboard. 5 X 52 weeks. They also send  
> this
> information to the county which in turn reports to the state so  
> that the
> entire state can smugly show these inflated numbers. The Feds then  
> take
> those numbers and compile even better statistics.
>
> I have no idea how much we actually recycle, but it's nowhere near 260
> yards.
>
> Bob Gallagher
> Gallagher Printing, Inc.
> 601 W. Main Street
> Palmyra, PA 17078
> 717-838-1527
> 1-888-838-1527
> Fax 717-838-5715
> <bob@gallagherprint.com>
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From acepm2 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  2 14:50:18 2008
From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas)
Date: Wed Jan  2 14:50:31 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Graphic Design Price List
In-Reply-To: <cbd.23c8f420.34ad1611@aol.com>
References: <cbd.23c8f420.34ad1611@aol.com>
Message-ID: <c2778de30801021150v2d854381ya8902dcfff7ac96d@mail.gmail.com>

John,

Is this the one similar to what Giles had designed?

Thom Gulyas
ACE Printing & Mailing
www.acepm.com




On Jan 2, 2008 11:30 AM,  <QKCONSULT@aol.com> wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/2/2008 11:18:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> priorityprinting@comcast.net writes:
>
> They  assume we will take advantage of them.  We are considering developing a
>  price list for most of the typical graphic work that we do.  If anyone is
> using a fixed pricing structure for basic graphic design I would like to get
> some feedback if I could.  Thanks.
>
>
>
> Jeff,
>
> That is why I so strongly believe in the use of some type of "Wine List"
> approach. We have 5-6 3-ring notebooks on the front counter. Each book carries a
> description on the spine describing the types of samples inside.
>
> Each book contains anywhere from 20-50 samples, each enclosed in a
> plastic-sleeved sheet separator. When we can, we display the items from simplest
> through more difficult as you go through the book.
>
> Up in the corner, we have small pricing stickers listing a range of DTP
> charges for that specific type of work. You can pull these numbers or ranges
> ($65-85, $45-55) out of thin air if you want, but the fact that they are printed
> leaves little ambiguity about what something similar will cost to layout and
> design.
>
> We've always had boxes near the shrink wrap, cutter and folder into which
> are tossed samples of jobs going through that work station so we are never at a
> loss for samples. The "Wine List" approach is termed that in a sense that a
> fancy wine list actually displays samples of the wine labels.... this is one
> step advanced and better in my mind than a simple menu that lists flyers,
> letterheads, etc. Without a picture attached to what you are describing, it is
> difficult for the customer to judge whether something would be considered
> simple, moderate or complex from a design standpoint.
>
>
> John  Stewart
> Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
> Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)
>
> by Larry Hunt & John Stewart
>
> 2110 S. Dairy  Road
> West Melbourne, FL 32904
> 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
> Cell:  321-794-6259
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www.acepm.com
From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Wed Jan  2 16:25:28 2008
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan  2 16:26:06 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Graphic Design Price List
Message-ID: <c27.288b0fae.34ad5b48@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 1/2/2008 2:51:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
acepm2@gmail.com writes:

John,

Is this the one similar to what Giles had  designed?



No, I don't believe it is. John's is (I believe) a detailed listing  of types 
of jobs and complexities of each, but I don't think it has actual  printed 
samples... in fact I am sure of that since that would be impossible. I  am 
suggesting what amounts to a 3-4 hour project of gathering printed and copied  
samples, sorting into categories, inserting into various 3-ring notebooks, and  
then finally, the fun part, the pricing of each. Is it perfect, no, but it sure  
beats looking up to the ceiling, praying to the DTP Gods, or pulling a price  
right out of a hat. 
 
You simply find something similar in the book to what the customer is  
looking for and then saying, "If we are talking about something like this door  
hanger in 2-colors, the design price will be approximately (as you point to the  
pricing sticker) $45-55 plus whatever the printing costs are."
 
John  Stewart
The Quick Consultant
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
321-727-2442
FAX  321-727-2166
Cell: 321-794-6259
2110 S. Dairy Road 
West Melbourne, FL  32904

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From slb at inkspot.net  Wed Jan  2 16:27:06 2008
From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman)
Date: Wed Jan  2 16:28:13 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Graphic Design Price List
In-Reply-To: <010220081618.1194.477BB9440000D06E000004AA22007636920902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <477BBB5A.9.104AC535@slb.inkspot.net>

We use something similar to the DTP Price Book from John Giles. It 
has b/w thumbnails of various types of jobs, with prices. I like the 
idea of using real samples--most of the design work we've been doing 
is for 4 color stuff, not basic stationery/cards/forms.

Steve


> 
> We have always charged for graphic design by the minute.  When we have to give an estimate we provide a pricing range for the work.  I think that this makes some new or potential customers wary of doing business with us.  They assume we will take advantage of them.  We are considering developing a price list for most of the typical graphic work that we do.  If anyone is using a fixed pricing structure for basic graphic design I would like to get some feedback if I could.  Thanks.
> 
> Jeff Farber
> Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc.
> 1323 E. Main Street
> Flushing, MI 48433
> 810 487-1700
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From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com  Wed Jan  2 16:37:52 2008
From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn)
Date: Wed Jan  2 16:38:14 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Dies for Rhin-O-Tuff
In-Reply-To: <de1d94970801021125h3d7debc0sb056797f9612a456@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <NCBBLKEPIPMAFICNFNJKKEPOIAAA.bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com>

Call Binding Solutions in St. Louis at 314 531 5152. Fred, Jim, or anyone
could help you. They are very reputable people. BTW, Southwest is in St.
Louis too for whatever that's worth.



Respectfully,



Bernie Bahn  | President | Creative Imaging Inc
1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200  | St. Louis MO 63026

Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 |
bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com

http://www.creativeimaginginc.com <http://www.creativeimaginginc.com/>
Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Jace Prejean
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 1:25 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] Dies for Rhin-O-Tuff


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I'm in the middle of a project and just realized I don't have the
proper die for my HD-7700. I had originally bought the machine from
Southwest Plastics (actually, Charlene and I bought them together to
try to negotiate a better discount <g>).

It appears to be a 4:1 - .25" oval (Part #079450). To make matters
worse Rhino doesn't even have them in stock and I need to punch 2,000
books by Tuesday. Southwest Plastics quoted $1,750 for one die. Does
anyone have one they'd like to sell or even rent to me for a week? How
about a used equipment dealer who might have one?
--
Jace Prejean
Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc
922 Sunset Ave
Houma, LA 70360
Phone 985-868-8273

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From melissa at kwiksolutions.com  Wed Jan  2 16:56:20 2008
From: melissa at kwiksolutions.com (Melissa Uber)
Date: Wed Jan  2 16:56:45 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Graphic Design Price List
In-Reply-To: <c27.288b0fae.34ad5b48@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005001c84d8a$4f937ab0$3e00000a@Melissa>

Quick Printing, October 2006 has "Wine List" article complete with pictures.
I can fax it to you if you like. Shamefully though, it's still on my to-do
list a year later :)


Melissa Uber
Kwik Solutions...Everything in Print!
melissa@kwiksolutions.com
 
Jamestown - 20 W. 3rd St, Jamestown, NY 14701
                   (716) 483-3227
Warren   -    326 Penna Ave W., Warren, PA 16365
                  (814) 726-5679


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:25 PM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Graphic Design Price List

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

 
 
In a message dated 1/2/2008 2:51:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
acepm2@gmail.com writes:

John,

Is this the one similar to what Giles had  designed?



No, I don't believe it is. John's is (I believe) a detailed listing  of
types 
of jobs and complexities of each, but I don't think it has actual  printed 
samples... in fact I am sure of that since that would be impossible. I  am 
suggesting what amounts to a 3-4 hour project of gathering printed and
copied  
samples, sorting into categories, inserting into various 3-ring notebooks,
and  
then finally, the fun part, the pricing of each. Is it perfect, no, but it
sure  
beats looking up to the ceiling, praying to the DTP Gods, or pulling a price

right out of a hat. 
 
You simply find something similar in the book to what the customer is  
looking for and then saying, "If we are talking about something like this
door  
hanger in 2-colors, the design price will be approximately (as you point to
the  
pricing sticker) $45-55 plus whatever the printing costs are."
 
John  Stewart
The Quick Consultant
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
321-727-2442
FAX  321-727-2166
Cell: 321-794-6259
2110 S. Dairy Road 
West Melbourne, FL  32904

Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_
(http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) 
by Larry  Hunt and myself.



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From jacemeister at gmail.com  Wed Jan  2 17:30:02 2008
From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean)
Date: Wed Jan  2 17:30:16 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Dies for Rhin-O-Tuff
In-Reply-To: <NCBBLKEPIPMAFICNFNJKKEPOIAAA.bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com>
References: <de1d94970801021125h3d7debc0sb056797f9612a456@mail.gmail.com>
	<NCBBLKEPIPMAFICNFNJKKEPOIAAA.bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com>
Message-ID: <de1d94970801021430l48d0ad74p7dd65996086794e0@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Bernie.

They were friendlier and more accomodating than the other companies I
spoke with today. Their price was in line with most at $1,800, but it
couldn't be shipped out today (I don't think they had one in stock at
their office). By the time I got your email I'd decided that due to
time constraints I'd better use the round die we already have and hope
the customer doesn't notice, but I wanted to call Binding Solutions
anyway (mainly for future reference). As with most rush jobs just
about everything that could go wrong did <g>.

Thanks again for your help. I will keep this company's contact
information for future needs because they really impressed me. Their
prices were in line with others but I'll pay more to deal with vendors
who share my business philosophy. They went out of their way to try
and help me and that goes a long way with me.

Sincerely,
-- 
Jace Prejean
Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc
922 Sunset Ave
Houma, LA 70360
Phone 985-868-8273

www.BayouPrinting.com



On Jan 2, 2008 3:37 PM, Bernard Bahn <bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com> wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Call Binding Solutions in St. Louis at 314 531 5152. Fred, Jim, or anyone
> could help you. They are very reputable people. BTW, Southwest is in St.
> Louis too for whatever that's worth.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Bernie Bahn  | President | Creative Imaging Inc
> 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200  | St. Louis MO 63026
>
> Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 |
> bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com
>
> http://www.creativeimaginginc.com <http://www.creativeimaginginc.com/>
> Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Jace Prejean
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 1:25 PM
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> Subject: [PrintOwners] Dies for Rhin-O-Tuff
>
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>
> I'm in the middle of a project and just realized I don't have the
> proper die for my HD-7700. I had originally bought the machine from
> Southwest Plastics (actually, Charlene and I bought them together to
> try to negotiate a better discount <g>).
>
> It appears to be a 4:1 - .25" oval (Part #079450). To make matters
> worse Rhino doesn't even have them in stock and I need to punch 2,000
> books by Tuesday. Southwest Plastics quoted $1,750 for one die. Does
> anyone have one they'd like to sell or even rent to me for a week? How
> about a used equipment dealer who might have one?
> --
> Jace Prejean
> Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc
> 922 Sunset Ave
> Houma, LA 70360
> Phone 985-868-8273
>
> www.BayouPrinting.com
From priorityprinting at comcast.net  Wed Jan  2 17:39:57 2008
From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net)
Date: Wed Jan  2 17:40:15 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Graphic Design Price List
Message-ID: <010220082239.568.477C12BC000E64C10000023822070210530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net>

Melissa:

I would be so grateful if you could fax the article to me.  My fax number is 810 487-1772.  Thank you.

Jeff Farber
Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc.
1323 E.Main Street
Flushing, MI 48433
810 487-1700
 
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Melissa Uber" <melissa@kwiksolutions.com>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> Quick Printing, October 2006 has "Wine List" article complete with pictures.
> I can fax it to you if you like. Shamefully though, it's still on my to-do
> list a year later :)
> 
> 
> Melissa Uber
> Kwik Solutions...Everything in Print!
> melissa@kwiksolutions.com
>  
> Jamestown - 20 W. 3rd St, Jamestown, NY 14701
>                    (716) 483-3227
> Warren   -    326 Penna Ave W., Warren, PA 16365
>                   (814) 726-5679
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:25 PM
> To: printowners@printweb.org
> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Graphic Design Price List
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/2/2008 2:51:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
> acepm2@gmail.com writes:
> 
> John,
> 
> Is this the one similar to what Giles had  designed?
> 
> 
> 
> No, I don't believe it is. John's is (I believe) a detailed listing  of
> types 
> of jobs and complexities of each, but I don't think it has actual  printed 
> samples... in fact I am sure of that since that would be impossible. I  am 
> suggesting what amounts to a 3-4 hour project of gathering printed and
> copied  
> samples, sorting into categories, inserting into various 3-ring notebooks,
> and  
> then finally, the fun part, the pricing of each. Is it perfect, no, but it
> sure  
> beats looking up to the ceiling, praying to the DTP Gods, or pulling a price
> 
> right out of a hat. 
>  
> You simply find something similar in the book to what the customer is  
> looking for and then saying, "If we are talking about something like this
> door  
> hanger in 2-colors, the design price will be approximately (as you point to
> the  
> pricing sticker) $45-55 plus whatever the printing costs are."
>  
> John  Stewart
> The Quick Consultant
> _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
> 321-727-2442
> FAX  321-727-2166
> Cell: 321-794-6259
> 2110 S. Dairy Road 
> West Melbourne, FL  32904
> 
> Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_
> (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) 
> by Larry  Hunt and myself.
> 
> 
> 
> **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes 
> (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)
> _______________________________________________
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Wed Jan  2 18:06:02 2008
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Wed Jan  2 18:06:13 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] IR 105 Screens and Halftones
In-Reply-To: <AB302F7A-BBF7-4496-99E9-BF0FC55DE4AE@falconprintandcopy.com>
References: <C3A121BC.1D61A%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
	<AB302F7A-BBF7-4496-99E9-BF0FC55DE4AE@falconprintandcopy.com>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0801021506i221d66fcm3d61a56fb7e77ffe@mail.gmail.com>

On Jan 2, 2008 12:26 PM, Borzou Azabdaftari
<borzou@falconprintandcopy.com> wrote:
>
> We have had some of the same issues with our new iR7105, and found two
> pretty good ways around it.

Great piece of information. Thanks Borzou.
I'm anxious to try this on our M1/iR8500. Now that you mention it, I
seem to remember that we used to use the PCL driver, but I'm not
certain we ever knew why.<g>


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com
====================================
Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
                                                    ~Lord Bacon
From info at desktopsxm.com  Wed Jan  2 18:35:08 2008
From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint)
Date: Wed Jan  2 18:34:48 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Graphic Design Price List
In-Reply-To: <010220082239.568.477C12BC000E64C10000023822070210530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net>
References: <010220082239.568.477C12BC000E64C10000023822070210530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <A4C5CD8D-5533-4B29-83D0-70CD3EE21459@desktopsxm.com>

check out "wine list" at
http://www.quickprinting.com/publication/article.jsp? 
pubId=1&id=1229&pageNum=1



Joel Brint
Desktop Imaging
St. Maarten
Tel 542-4044
fax 543-1100

"The Printshop with a Difference"



On Jan 2, 2008, at 6:39 PM, priorityprinting@comcast.net wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Melissa:
>
> I would be so grateful if you could fax the article to me.  My fax  
> number is 810 487-1772.  Thank you.
>
> Jeff Farber
> Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc.
> 1323 E.Main Street
> Flushing, MI 48433
> 810 487-1700
>
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Melissa Uber" <melissa@kwiksolutions.com>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> Quick Printing, October 2006 has "Wine List" article complete with  
>> pictures.
>> I can fax it to you if you like. Shamefully though, it's still on  
>> my to-do
>> list a year later :)
>>
>>
>> Melissa Uber
>> Kwik Solutions...Everything in Print!
>> melissa@kwiksolutions.com
>>
>> Jamestown - 20 W. 3rd St, Jamestown, NY 14701
>>                    (716) 483-3227
>> Warren   -    326 Penna Ave W., Warren, PA 16365
>>                   (814) 726-5679
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
>> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of  
>> QKCONSULT@aol.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:25 PM
>> To: printowners@printweb.org
>> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Graphic Design Price List
>>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 1/2/2008 2:51:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>> acepm2@gmail.com writes:
>>
>> John,
>>
>> Is this the one similar to what Giles had  designed?
>>
>>
>>
>> No, I don't believe it is. John's is (I believe) a detailed  
>> listing  of
>> types
>> of jobs and complexities of each, but I don't think it has actual   
>> printed
>> samples... in fact I am sure of that since that would be  
>> impossible. I  am
>> suggesting what amounts to a 3-4 hour project of gathering printed  
>> and
>> copied
>> samples, sorting into categories, inserting into various 3-ring  
>> notebooks,
>> and
>> then finally, the fun part, the pricing of each. Is it perfect,  
>> no, but it
>> sure
>> beats looking up to the ceiling, praying to the DTP Gods, or  
>> pulling a price
>>
>> right out of a hat.
>>
>> You simply find something similar in the book to what the customer is
>> looking for and then saying, "If we are talking about something  
>> like this
>> door
>> hanger in 2-colors, the design price will be approximately (as you  
>> point to
>> the
>> pricing sticker) $45-55 plus whatever the printing costs are."
>>
>> John  Stewart
>> The Quick Consultant
>> _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/)
>> 321-727-2442
>> FAX  321-727-2166
>> Cell: 321-794-6259
>> 2110 S. Dairy Road
>> West Melbourne, FL  32904
>>
>> Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_
>> (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)
>> by Larry  Hunt and myself.
>>
>>
>>
>> **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes
>> (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)
>> _______________________________________________
>> PrintOwners Discussion List
>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>>
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>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>>
>
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From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Wed Jan  2 19:12:01 2008
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan  2 19:12:20 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Graphic Design Price List
Message-ID: <c72.22a8ee87.34ad8251@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 1/2/2008 6:36:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
info@desktopsxm.com writes:

check  out "wine list" at
http://www.quickprinting.com/publication/article.jsp?  
pubId=1&id=1229&pageNum=1




Wow, I just read that article and it is damn good. I'm going over to  Office 
Depot and get those notebooks up and going on our front counter. Oh, I  
forgot, I wrote the article and already have them sitting on the front counter.  <g> 
I must have started drinking earlier this evening than normal.
 
John  Stewart
The Quick Consultant
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
321-727-2442
FAX  321-727-2166
Cell: 321-794-6259
2110 S. Dairy Road 
West Melbourne, FL  32904

Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) 
by Larry  Hunt and myself.



**************************************See AOL's top rated recipes 
(http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)
From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com  Wed Jan  2 20:51:49 2008
From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan  2 20:52:14 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] (no subject)
Message-ID: <d51.1d6ac476.34ad99b5@aol.com>

p



**************************************See AOL's top rated recipes 
(http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)
From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com  Wed Jan  2 21:16:01 2008
From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan  2 21:16:22 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Graphic Design Price List
Message-ID: <bbb.1c3f2ae8.34ad9f61@aol.com>

LOL John.  I remembered that article to the point of printing out the  prices 
for DTP & put some samples on the side, but never completing the  books : (
 
Tommy
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/2/2008 4:15:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
QKCONSULT@aol.com writes:

*****  This is a Print Owners List Message *****



In a message dated  1/2/2008 6:36:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
info@desktopsxm.com  writes:

check  out "wine list"  at
http://www.quickprinting.com/publication/article.jsp?   
pubId=1&id=1229&pageNum=1




Wow, I just read that  article and it is damn good. I'm going over to  Office 
Depot and get  those notebooks up and going on our front counter. Oh, I  
forgot, I  wrote the article and already have them sitting on the front 
counter.   <g> 
I must have started drinking earlier this evening than  normal.

John  Stewart
The Quick  Consultant
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/)  
321-727-2442
FAX  321-727-2166
Cell: 321-794-6259
2110 S.  Dairy Road 
West Melbourne, FL  32904

Read about new book  _Print Shop For Sale_ 
(http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) 
by Larry   Hunt and myself.



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From sgfinke at fuse.net  Wed Jan  2 21:18:53 2008
From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke)
Date: Wed Jan  2 21:19:50 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Recycling
In-Reply-To: <0BCFEA27-B45E-4EBA-A2B6-E605D308252C@ptialaska.net>
References: <C3A1317C.2BDA5%dvmonto@optonline.net>
	<AAC34DBA-AA16-4BBE-B5D7-1D175609582E@ptialaska.net>
	<20DBE7A6-251D-42BD-BFB3-2835A5D3A73F@fuse.net>
	<0BCFEA27-B45E-4EBA-A2B6-E605D308252C@ptialaska.net>
Message-ID: <8916426A-1EF0-497B-9AE5-D92C83FCE700@fuse.net>


We didn't recycle before because, when we checked into it, no one  
would even haul it away for free! We had to pay; there just wasn't  
enough for anyone to buy it. I guess we're thrifty with our paper.  
Abitibi doesn't pay much at our volume -- the school dumpster gets  
full of newspapers every week from hundreds of parents and  
parishioners -- but they do take it away, saving us money in trash  
collection, and we feel better recycling than throwing it away.

The benefits of recycling vary depending on where you are. Recycling  
uses energy, too, but around here landfills are filling up.


Gail Finke
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Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc.	
8630 Winton Road
Cincinnati, OH 45231
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
(513) 522-2679
Fax 522-2692
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
info@brentwood-printing.com
www.brentwood-printing.com




On Jan 2, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Charles A. Lincoln wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> On Jan 2, 2008, at 8:36 AM, Scott and Gail Finke wrote:
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> 3 POINT 489, not 3 COMMA 489. Seven thousand pounds, not seven  
>> million.
>
>
> REPLY:
> Whew, you had me worried there, I better get glasses this year<g>.  
> We have a running debate in our area if recycling really helps the  
> environment or not. I have heard views from both sides. In our  
> remote area it is not really offered. It would cost more and use  
> more resources to send our waste out of state since there are no  
> recycling facilities. When people move here from areas that recycle  
> they are freaked out, it is almost like a religion to some. To us  
> recycling is when we save our scrap and make note pads out of it.
>
> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
>
> Charles Lincoln
> ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
> 612 30th Avenue
> Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
> (907) 451-1111
> fax (907) 451-4511
>
> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
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From sgfinke at fuse.net  Wed Jan  2 21:20:20 2008
From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke)
Date: Wed Jan  2 21:21:28 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Recycling
In-Reply-To: <C3A14834.2AD73%bob@gallagherprint.com>
References: <C3A14834.2AD73%bob@gallagherprint.com>
Message-ID: <E41053A0-01D5-4B79-891B-0D39AEE79BF9@fuse.net>


And they pay our school $15 bucks for it!!!



Gail Finke
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Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc.	
8630 Winton Road
Cincinnati, OH 45231
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
(513) 522-2679
Fax 522-2692
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
info@brentwood-printing.com
www.brentwood-printing.com




On Jan 2, 2008, at 1:55 PM, Bob Gallagher wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> On 1/2/08 12:27 PM, "Charles A. Lincoln" <printer@ptialaska.net>  
> wrote:
>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>>> According to Abitibi's records, so far (since earlier in the summer)
>> Brentwood Printing & Envelope has recycled 3.489 tons of paper,  
>> saving
>> 23 cubic yards of landfill space and 14,312 kilowatt hours of energy.
>>
> These recycling figures are a joke. We have a 5 yard dumpster in  
> back for
> cardboard. It gets emptied once a week, whether it is full or  
> empty. At the
> end of the year, we get a form from our trash hauler certifying  
> that we
> recycled 260 cubic yards of cardboard. 5 X 52 weeks. They also send  
> this
> information to the county which in turn reports to the state so  
> that the
> entire state can smugly show these inflated numbers. The Feds then  
> take
> those numbers and compile even better statistics.
>
> I have no idea how much we actually recycle, but it's nowhere near 260
> yards.
>
> Bob Gallagher
> Gallagher Printing, Inc.
> 601 W. Main Street
> Palmyra, PA 17078
> 717-838-1527
> 1-888-838-1527
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From k_graham at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  2 20:46:04 2008
From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed Jan  2 22:14:49 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Dies for Rhin-O-Tuff
References: <de1d94970801021125h3d7debc0sb056797f9612a456@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY135-DAV669AE7E73226BE676577AEB530@phx.gbl>

When we bought our 7500 from a reseller on Ebay I asked about oval 4 to 1 
dies but was informed there was a round 4 to 1 die that is the larger of the 
oval size for diameter and it is much cheaper than the oval, in fact he says 
he provides it standard with his machines when asked for a 4 to 1 which we 
did. I think that die is about $700.00 if bought separately new, sometimes 
show up new on Ebay for 4 to 500.00. If you have a 4 to 1 round die perhaps 
you already have this one in which case the oval won't be any easier.

Sorry I would look up name of seller but am just about to head back from 
Mexico tomorrow.

Ken Graham
CommunityPrinters.com
Canada
250.782.7108







----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jace Prejean" <jacemeister@gmail.com>
To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 1:25 PM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Dies for Rhin-O-Tuff


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I'm in the middle of a project and just realized I don't have the
> proper die for my HD-7700. I had originally bought the machine from
> Southwest Plastics (actually, Charlene and I bought them together to
> try to negotiate a better discount <g>).
>
> It appears to be a 4:1 - .25" oval (Part #079450). To make matters
> worse Rhino doesn't even have them in stock and I need to punch 2,000
> books by Tuesday. Southwest Plastics quoted $1,750 for one die. Does
> anyone have one they'd like to sell or even rent to me for a week? How
> about a used equipment dealer who might have one?
> -- 
> Jace Prejean
> Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc
> 922 Sunset Ave
> Houma, LA 70360
> Phone 985-868-8273
>
> www.BayouPrinting.com
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From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com  Thu Jan  3 08:40:00 2008
From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake)
Date: Thu Jan  3 08:41:35 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Recycling
In-Reply-To: <8916426A-1EF0-497B-9AE5-D92C83FCE700@fuse.net>
References: <C3A1317C.2BDA5%dvmonto@optonline.net><AAC34DBA-AA16-4BBE-B5D7-1D175609582E@ptialaska.net><20DBE7A6-251D-42BD-BFB3-2835A5D3A73F@fuse.net><0BCFEA27-B45E-4EBA-A2B6-E605D308252C@ptialaska.net>
	<8916426A-1EF0-497B-9AE5-D92C83FCE700@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAABzqvoUxzy5OhMMd/TawZN4BAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>

You're one up on us. We have manditory recycling, businesses have to do it
on their own and we are so far from places that take recycled paper (50
miles) that we have to pay for the container and to have it picked up. 

Mark Lake
PIP Printing
368 Jefferson Street
Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235
920.743.7370     920.743.4633 Fax
www.pipsturgeonbay.com      
Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com
 
To send a file to us, please use the link below
http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott and Gail Finke
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 8:19 PM
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We didn't recycle before because, when we checked into it, no one would even
haul it away for free!





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From mark at newprinting.com  Thu Jan  3 09:23:50 2008
From: mark at newprinting.com (Mark Weinfurter)
Date: Thu Jan  3 09:24:46 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Sales / CSR
In-Reply-To: <20071228134546.A5039D2E8D4@rb.enter.net>
References: <20071228134546.A5039D2E8D4@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <3ec1ed01ed1366cd45cecf074062f751@newprinting.com>

What are CSR's averaging as far as sales that they handle?  I don't 
recall any surveys about this.  Our csr's average about 600m - 1mm / 
year.

I know it's going to depend on the type of customer and business, but 
I'm just wondering.  We're a general commercial printer.


Thanks,

Mark Weinfurter
N. E. W. Printing
1718 E. Wisconsin Ave.
Appleton, WI 54911
1-888-563-0400
Fax 920-735-9945
www.newprinting.com
mark@newprinting.com
'A very cool web site...www.newprinting.com'		

From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Thu Jan  3 09:35:51 2008
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Thu Jan  3 09:56:05 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Service Agreements
Message-ID: <C9A7659D-3872-4655-9C0C-18E95DE83102@falconprintandcopy.com>

As anyone had any luck getting out of a service contract?  We have a  
Canon iR7105, and the service on it, through Canon, is horrendous.  To  
the point where I'm considering selling the machine and getting  
another one so I can get my service back with Ikon, who was amazing  
here.  I let Canon woo me away because they are in my building, and  
said we can come use their machine whenever we're down.  It wasn't  
worth it.  They're demo machines don't have the same features mine  
does, and its just not much help.  They're techs aren't knowledgable  
on the machine, and I have to tell them what to replace and do 80% of  
the time.  Each issue takes 3 visits to fix, and we're averaging a 2  
day response time from when we put in our service call.  Anyway, I  
want out.  Has anyone been able to make this happen?

Borzou Azabdaftari
Falcon Print and Copy
1921 Gallows Road
Suite 150
Vienna, VA 22182
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134
borzou@falconprintandcopy.com



From mike at arborprinting.com  Thu Jan  3 10:47:39 2008
From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com)
Date: Thu Jan  3 10:49:57 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Service Agreements
References: <C9A7659D-3872-4655-9C0C-18E95DE83102@falconprintandcopy.com>
Message-ID: <001801c84e1f$f88e57d0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC>

The first thing to do is read the service contract you signed, and see what 
the cancellation terms are. Start documenting every call, response time etc. 
Canon should have uptime and response time guarantees. Look for those too. 
Get the service manager and branch manager involved.  Get the sales manager 
involced. If things are as bad as you say, they are losing money on the 
machine and might be glad to see Ikon take over the machine. We have a 7095 
with a lot of options. It's a pretty complicated machine, but our service 
techs are Canon USA, and these guys know their stuff. I can only imagine 
what you are going through with service people who don't have the experience 
on this type of machine.

Thanks,


Michael Shuta
Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc
630-969-2277
www.arborprinting.com
mike@arborprinting.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Borzou Azabdaftari" <borzou@falconprintandcopy.com>
To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:35 AM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Service Agreements


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> As anyone had any luck getting out of a service contract?  We have a 
> Canon iR7105, and the service on it, through Canon, is horrendous.  To 
> the point where I'm considering selling the machine and getting  another 
> one so I can get my service back with Ikon, who was amazing  here.  I let 
> Canon woo me away because they are in my building, and  said we can come 
> use their machine whenever we're down.  It wasn't  worth it.  They're demo 
> machines don't have the same features mine  does, and its just not much 
> help.  They're techs aren't knowledgable  on the machine, and I have to 
> tell them what to replace and do 80% of  the time.  Each issue takes 3 
> visits to fix, and we're averaging a 2  day response time from when we put 
> in our service call.  Anyway, I  want out.  Has anyone been able to make 
> this happen?
>
> Borzou Azabdaftari
> Falcon Print and Copy
> 1921 Gallows Road
> Suite 150
> Vienna, VA 22182
> t.703.442.0124
> f.703.442.0134
> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com
>
>
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From prtquick at eos.net  Thu Jan  3 10:53:25 2008
From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke)
Date: Thu Jan  3 10:53:02 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Recycling
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAABzqvoUxzy5OhMMd/TawZN4BAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>
References: <C3A1317C.2BDA5%dvmonto@optonline.net><AAC34DBA-AA16-4BBE-B5D7-1D175609582E@ptialaska.net><20DBE7A6-251D-42BD-BFB3-2835A5D3A73F@fuse.net><0BCFEA27-B45E-4EBA-A2B6-E605D308252C@ptialaska.net>
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Message-ID: <E8A6BA21-ECB5-4A20-B0A0-D30E727D1006@eos.net>

I assume that eventually most of us will be legally required to recycle.
At that point you can bet it will no longer be FREE!

(when not recycling is outlawed, only outlaws won't recycle!)

Scott Finke
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On Jan 3, 2008, at 8:40 AM, Mark Lake wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> You're one up on us. We have manditory recycling, businesses have  
> to do it
> on their own and we are so far from places that take recycled paper  
> (50
> miles) that we have to pay for the container and to have it picked up.
>
> Mark Lake
> PIP Printing
> 368 Jefferson Street
> Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235
> 920.743.7370     920.743.4633 Fax
> www.pipsturgeonbay.com
> Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com
>
> To send a file to us, please use the link below
> http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845
>
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> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott and  
> Gail Finke
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 8:19 PM
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Recycling
>
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> We didn't recycle before because, when we checked into it, no one  
> would even
> haul it away for free!
>
>
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From sgfinke at fuse.net  Thu Jan  3 11:11:00 2008
From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke)
Date: Thu Jan  3 11:12:17 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Service Agreements
In-Reply-To: <C9A7659D-3872-4655-9C0C-18E95DE83102@falconprintandcopy.com>
References: <C9A7659D-3872-4655-9C0C-18E95DE83102@falconprintandcopy.com>
Message-ID: <4FCA1D7F-EBB6-4B17-BEFB-D61858570501@fuse.net>





On Jan 3, 2008, at 9:35 AM, Borzou Azabdaftari wrote:

> Each issue takes 3 visits to fix, and we're averaging a 2 day  
> response time from when we put in our service call.

And they are IN YOUR BUILDING???

Have you tried just going to the service manager's office and sitting  
on his desk until your copier is actually fixed?

Gail Finke
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc.	
8630 Winton Road
Cincinnati, OH 45231
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
(513) 522-2679
Fax 522-2692
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
info@brentwood-printing.com
www.brentwood-printing.com

From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Thu Jan  3 11:19:40 2008
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Thu Jan  3 11:19:58 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Service Agreements
In-Reply-To: <C9A7659D-3872-4655-9C0C-18E95DE83102@falconprintandcopy.com>
References: <C9A7659D-3872-4655-9C0C-18E95DE83102@falconprintandcopy.com>
Message-ID: <005c01c84e24$7170b4a0$6401a8c0@corapurvine>

Borzou, since IKON is a Canon dealer and you are going to use their service,
can't they negotiate with Canon to take over your contract without charging
you an arm and a leg to do so?


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz


From jim at visaliaidea.com  Thu Jan  3 12:55:52 2008
From: jim at visaliaidea.com (James Laber)
Date: Thu Jan  3 12:56:33 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Service Agreements
In-Reply-To: <20080103145609.5AA44D4F877@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <004201c84e31$e217be30$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local>

We did this about 3 years ago when we were with IKON. They lost all their
best techs to another dealer. We made a call and transferred service with no
additional cost. They could have pressed the issue but did not on getting
out of the service contract. The unfortunate part is now the other company
has lost the better techs. I have given up and just signed for a new XEROX
as they have never failed us in the past when it comes to service. The
unintended costs of all these interruptions in the work flow cost a whole
lot more.

Jim Laber
Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc
1921 E Main St
Visalia CA 93292
559-733-4149 X118
Fax: 559-636-3690
jim@visaliaidea.com
http://www.visaliaidea.com/
Member Of: Visalia Chamber of Commerce
Tulare Chamber of Commerce
Exeter Chamber of Commerce
NAQP-National Association of Quick Printers 
ASI-Advertising Specialty Institute



From bob at gallagherprint.com  Thu Jan  3 16:02:04 2008
From: bob at gallagherprint.com (Bob Gallagher)
Date: Thu Jan  3 16:02:23 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Acrobat Printing Problem
Message-ID: <C3A2B77C.2AE26%bob@gallagherprint.com>

I've got a strange one I cant figure out. Have a new Mac Book Pro running
Leopard. I can't print to our Fiery RIP and the KM6500 from Acrobat Pro, it
keeps crashing. I can take the same PDF to any other computer on our network
and it prints fine. I can import it into In Design  and it prints, but not
from Acrobat. I can print to other printers on our network, but not to the
Fiery. All the CS3 programs plus Quark and the Microsoft programs will
print, but Acrobat crashes.

I've tried several different PDF files and still cant print. Tried a
document in In Design and it printed fine. Converted it to a PDF and
reimported into In Design and it prints. Opened in Acrobat and it crashes
when trying to print.

Any suggestions?


Bob Gallagher
Gallagher Printing, Inc.
601 W. Main Street
Palmyra, PA 17078
717-838-1527
1-888-838-1527
Fax 717-838-5715
<bob@gallagherprint.com>
http://www.gallagherprint.com

An Adobe Service Provider
A Microsoft Publisher Provider
Member, Adobe Solutions Network


From swiftyprinting at mac.com  Thu Jan  3 16:23:03 2008
From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck)
Date: Thu Jan  3 16:23:35 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Acrobat Printing Problem
In-Reply-To: <C3A2B77C.2AE26%bob@gallagherprint.com>
References: <C3A2B77C.2AE26%bob@gallagherprint.com>
Message-ID: <5A1D1682-419D-4DA7-BC41-EC92ACDDC6E4@mac.com>


On Jan 3, 2008, at 4:02 PM, Bob Gallagher wrote:

> I've got a strange one I cant figure out. Have a new Mac Book Pro  
> running
> Leopard. I can't print to our Fiery RIP and the KM6500 from Acrobat  
> Pro, it
> keeps crashing. I can take the same PDF to any other computer on our  
> network
> and it prints fine

Acrobat Pro is on the not fully compatible list from Adobe. (Due in  
January 2008)



Chuck Pappas
Arlington Swifty Printing
1386 Massachusetts Avenue
Arlington, MA 02476
781-646-8700
www.arlingtonswifty.com

Member: National Association of Quick Printers
Print Industry of New England
GATF
Adobe Service Network
Quark Alliance
Microsoft Publisher Provider


From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Thu Jan  3 16:31:08 2008
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Thu Jan  3 16:33:00 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Service Agreements
In-Reply-To: <004201c84e31$e217be30$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local>
References: <004201c84e31$e217be30$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local>
Message-ID: <1674F9A0-B18B-4E83-B5EB-73F072B7858E@falconprintandcopy.com>

Thanks everyone.

Jim, Xerox is the best.  Hands down.  No one else services their  
machines, so their techs have no where to go.

Gail, I have. And he doesn't like me and I don't like him.  It usually  
gets us on one of their machines there, and usually gets a tech here  
right away, but it takes me a while before I notice how long its been  
and go over there.

Cora, sounds good in theory, but Ikon still makes money off the  
clicks.  More anyway.  I'll see how they handle it though.

We're in "crisis mode" with them right now, so they're trying to make  
it right.  I'll let you all know how it goes.

Regards,

Borzou Azabdaftari
Falcon Print and Copy
1921 Gallows Road
Suite 150
Vienna, VA 22182
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134
borzou@falconprintandcopy.com





On Jan 3, 2008, at 12:55 PM, James Laber wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> We did this about 3 years ago when we were with IKON. They lost all  
> their
> best techs to another dealer. We made a call and transferred service  
> with no
> additional cost. They could have pressed the issue but did not on  
> getting
> out of the service contract. The unfortunate part is now the other  
> company
> has lost the better techs. I have given up and just signed for a new  
> XEROX
> as they have never failed us in the past when it comes to service. The
> unintended costs of all these interruptions in the work flow cost a  
> whole
> lot more.
>
> Jim Laber
> Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc
> 1921 E Main St
> Visalia CA 93292
> 559-733-4149 X118
> Fax: 559-636-3690
> jim@visaliaidea.com
> http://www.visaliaidea.com/
> Member Of: Visalia Chamber of Commerce
> Tulare Chamber of Commerce
> Exeter Chamber of Commerce
> NAQP-National Association of Quick Printers
> ASI-Advertising Specialty Institute
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>







From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Thu Jan  3 16:56:37 2008
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Thu Jan  3 16:57:00 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Service Agreements
In-Reply-To: <1674F9A0-B18B-4E83-B5EB-73F072B7858E@falconprintandcopy.com>
References: <004201c84e31$e217be30$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local>
	<1674F9A0-B18B-4E83-B5EB-73F072B7858E@falconprintandcopy.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c84e53$83675ae0$6401a8c0@corapurvine>

Borzou, just to set the record straight, I've had nothing but problems with
IKON as far as their billings go. I personally will never go with them
again, but I thought you said you had had good luck with them so maybe they
are different in your area. The techs were nice and always got my machine
fixed, but I ALWAYS had trouble with their billing department. 

I have an independent now and am lots happier. They have never been wrong on
their billings. Such a relief<G>


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

From prtquick at eos.net  Fri Jan  4 07:36:04 2008
From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke)
Date: Fri Jan  4 07:35:19 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] MacMail send-only Preferences?
In-Reply-To: <002b01c84e53$83675ae0$6401a8c0@corapurvine>
References: <004201c84e31$e217be30$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local>
	<1674F9A0-B18B-4E83-B5EB-73F072B7858E@falconprintandcopy.com>
	<002b01c84e53$83675ae0$6401a8c0@corapurvine>
Message-ID: <BD2D9943-0CC5-4103-8274-EB34E8874721@eos.net>

I have a question about e-mail. We currently have only one  
workstation (a mac) that receives and sends all our e-mails. I like  
all the email entering in at one point, since nothing gets missed.  
All our mail goes to the same address.

Is it possible to set up Mac 'Mail' on other workstations for e- 
mailing proofs? I would NOT want these other 2 workstations to  
receive mail, only be able to send it.

It would clear up a digital log-jam we are beginning to experience,  
since we now send more proofs by e-mail than by fax.

Is there a way to set that one up?

Thanks!

Scott Finke
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Visit our new location!

Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc.
8630 Winton Road
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From info at desktopsxm.com  Fri Jan  4 07:42:24 2008
From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint)
Date: Fri Jan  4 07:42:02 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] MacMail send-only Preferences?
In-Reply-To: <BD2D9943-0CC5-4103-8274-EB34E8874721@eos.net>
References: <004201c84e31$e217be30$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local>
	<1674F9A0-B18B-4E83-B5EB-73F072B7858E@falconprintandcopy.com>
	<002b01c84e53$83675ae0$6401a8c0@corapurvine>
	<BD2D9943-0CC5-4103-8274-EB34E8874721@eos.net>
Message-ID: <7FBACDA5-2B2D-48AA-86B5-1F4BDD0B2E40@desktopsxm.com>

yes, on the other computer in the preferences only set up the email  
address that you will use to send the proofs.
Then go into advanced and make sure that the  "include to check for  
email" button is not on.
That way it will not check for emails unless somebody asks it to.


Joel Brint
Desktop Imaging
St. Maarten
Tel 542-4044
fax 543-1100

"The Printshop with a Difference"



On Jan 4, 2008, at 8:36 AM, Scott Finke wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I have a question about e-mail. We currently have only one  
> workstation (a mac) that receives and sends all our e-mails. I like  
> all the email entering in at one point, since nothing gets missed.  
> All our mail goes to the same address.
>
> Is it possible to set up Mac 'Mail' on other workstations for e- 
> mailing proofs? I would NOT want these other 2 workstations to  
> receive mail, only be able to send it.
>
> It would clear up a digital log-jam we are beginning to experience,  
> since we now send more proofs by e-mail than by fax.
>
> Is there a way to set that one up?
>
> Thanks!
>
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From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com  Fri Jan  4 09:30:59 2008
From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King)
Date: Fri Jan  4 09:31:27 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Coil Binding - Equipment Suggestions?
Message-ID: <001701c84ede$6d0305c0$47091140$@com>

Plastic coil binding is driving us crazy - extraordinarily labor intensive
and time consuming. We seem to be getting more of it and it's a real time
killer - just finished a job for 1,100 coil bound books which seemed to take
forever to do. We have the tabletop units - one machine to punch the holes
(really thin lifts only) and another to spin the coil into the finished
book. Then cut and twist the ends of the coils by hand with that little
pliers tool.

 

What kind of equipment do you all use for this? Is there anything faster out
there without spending a fortune?

 

 

Tom King
King Printing
1305 W. College Ave.
State College, PA 16801
Phone: 814-238-2536
Fax: 814-237-5238
Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com 

 

From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com  Fri Jan  4 09:53:34 2008
From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake)
Date: Fri Jan  4 09:55:13 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Ink for Rena
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAAGeRz0ot0flPtAMHzEhEVcYBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>

I have a Rena Imager I printer and am using fast dry ink. I am running into
a problem where, if there is a delay of more than about 5 seconds from 1
envelope to the next, about 1/8" of the lead edge of the address is missing
or looks slightly smeared. This is only when there is a slight delay. Is
that a result of the fast dry ink? If so, will the regular ink help that? I
know I need the fast dry for coated stock but is it necessary for envelopes,
newsletters, etc?

Mark Lake
PIP Printing
368 Jefferson Street
Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235
920.743.7370     920.743.4633 Fax
www.pipsturgeonbay.com <http://www.pipsturgeonbay.com/>       
Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com

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From robin at protypeonline.com  Fri Jan  4 10:06:48 2008
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Fri Jan  4 10:07:15 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Coil Binding - Equipment Suggestions?
Message-ID: <95622DF8-7910-4707-90AA-BAD360348577@protypeonline.com>

Tom,
that's the same setup we use, Rhino brand, and my staff is quite  
efficient at using it. I think the next step up is quite pricey and  
would need an incredibly large volume to justify. With that said, I  
would be thrilled to be proven wrong and find even more efficient and  
affordable options.
:)
Robin

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com



From dvmonto at optonline.net  Fri Jan  4 10:13:47 2008
From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto)
Date: Fri Jan  4 10:14:14 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Acrobat Printing Problem
In-Reply-To: <C3A2B77C.2AE26%bob@gallagherprint.com>
Message-ID: <C3A3B75B.2BF11%dvmonto@optonline.net>

On 1/3/08 4:02 PM, "Bob Gallagher" <bob@gallagherprint.com> wrote:

> I've got a strange one I cant figure out. Have a new Mac Book Pro running
> Leopard.

I have a MacBook Pro running Leopard and can print from Acrobat 8.

Have you tried creating a new user and logging out and logging in as the new
user? If it prints then there is a corrupt file in the old user.


-- 
David V. Monto

Sir Speedy Printing
1837 South Road
Wappingers Falls, NY 12590

Phone:845-298-8898
Fax: 845-298-8537
email: dvmonto@optonline.net
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 - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943



From joe at calagaz.com  Fri Jan  4 10:17:59 2008
From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz)
Date: Fri Jan  4 10:18:31 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Coil Binding - Equipment Suggestions?
Message-ID: <D10E51FC7F05D84DA064705527A7EC00250021@server.CDPI.local>

There is an air fed crimper system that we us that is very efficient on
clipping both ends at one time. 

Marlon Air Crimper 350 and it is about $1700

It is very fast on clipping and can be sustained because the operators
hand does not get worn out.....it is also very easy/quick setup

Joe Calagaz
Calagaz Printing
Mobile, AL 36606
251-478-0487


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:07 AM
To: printowners printowners
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Coil Binding - Equipment Suggestions?

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Tom,
that's the same setup we use, Rhino brand, and my staff is quite  
efficient at using it. I think the next step up is quite pricey and  
would need an incredibly large volume to justify. With that said, I  
would be thrilled to be proven wrong and find even more efficient and  
affordable options.
:)
Robin

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com



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From kellycrom at gmail.com  Fri Jan  4 10:27:52 2008
From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics)
Date: Fri Jan  4 10:28:40 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Coil Binding - Equipment Suggestions?
In-Reply-To: <001701c84ede$6d0305c0$47091140$@com>
References: <001701c84ede$6d0305c0$47091140$@com>
Message-ID: <012801c84ee6$600a46f0$6d01a8c0@KELLY>

We also have the Rhino(like Robin). However, whenever we need to bind
quantities larger than about 100 books, we found that it's easier(and
faster) to send the binding work out to a local bindery(with the more
expensive automated equipment).

Kelly Crom
Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.

We've Moved!!!
2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
Plymouth, MN  55441
New Phone:  (763)231-6970
kellycrom@gmail.com
www.applied-graphics.com 

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org 
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tom King
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 8:31 AM
> To: Print Owners
> Subject: [PrintOwners] Coil Binding - Equipment Suggestions?
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> Plastic coil binding is driving us crazy - extraordinarily 
> labor intensive
> and time consuming. We seem to be getting more of it and it's 
> a real time
> killer - just finished a job for 1,100 coil bound books which 
> seemed to take
> forever to do. We have the tabletop units - one machine to 
> punch the holes
> (really thin lifts only) and another to spin the coil into 
> the finished
> book. Then cut and twist the ends of the coils by hand with 
> that little
> pliers tool.
> 
>  
> 
> What kind of equipment do you all use for this? Is there 
> anything faster out
> there without spending a fortune?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Tom King
> King Printing
> 1305 W. College Ave.
> State College, PA 16801
> Phone: 814-238-2536
> Fax: 814-237-5238
> Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com 
> 
>  
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From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Fri Jan  4 10:28:55 2008
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Fri Jan  4 10:29:48 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Coil Binding - Equipment Suggestions?
In-Reply-To: <D10E51FC7F05D84DA064705527A7EC00250021@server.CDPI.local>
References: <D10E51FC7F05D84DA064705527A7EC00250021@server.CDPI.local>
Message-ID: <D1B02CFC-B868-44B1-9BD0-63E90AD182B0@falconprintandcopy.com>

Am I correct in assume this just crimps?  I looked on the website too  
and it says it has a roller/inserter too.  Do you have both?  Does it  
really work well?

Tom,

If we get jobs over 1,000 books we sub out the coilbinding.  Our guys  
charges us less than a dollar a book, so we're able to mark it up  
sufficiently.

Borzou Azabdaftari
Falcon Print and Copy
1921 Gallows Road
Suite 150
Vienna, VA 22182
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134
borzou@falconprintandcopy.com



On Jan 4, 2008, at 10:17 AM, Joe Calagaz wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> There is an air fed crimper system that we us that is very efficient  
> on
> clipping both ends at one time.
>
> Marlon Air Crimper 350 and it is about $1700
>
> It is very fast on clipping and can be sustained because the operators
> hand does not get worn out.....it is also very easy/quick setup
>
> Joe Calagaz
> Calagaz Printing
> Mobile, AL 36606
> 251-478-0487
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:07 AM
> To: printowners printowners
> Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Coil Binding - Equipment Suggestions?
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Tom,
> that's the same setup we use, Rhino brand, and my staff is quite
> efficient at using it. I think the next step up is quite pricey and
> would need an incredibly large volume to justify. With that said, I
> would be thrilled to be proven wrong and find even more efficient and
> affordable options.
> :)
> Robin
>
> Robin Niewold
> Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
> 130 N. Market Street
> Paxton, IL 60957
> 217.379.4715
> robin@protypeonline.com
>
>
>
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From joe at calagaz.com  Fri Jan  4 10:48:19 2008
From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz)
Date: Fri Jan  4 10:48:45 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Coil Binding - Equipment Suggestions?
Message-ID: <D10E51FC7F05D84DA064705527A7EC00250026@server.CDPI.local>

I have just the crimper.  I think it works great.  And yes it only
crimps but it does both sides at the same time and is a good consistent
crimp.  

It is a manual process, but as fast as you can pick up a book slide it
in the slot hit the foot pedal and get another book.  

I want to say that I was able to get a trial on it before I bought (a 30
day money back type deal) because I did not think it would work as well
as it does. 

If I were to guess I would think you could do 1100 books in a couple of
hours if you had some one bringing you stacks of books to crimp and
taking away the stacks that have been crimped.

Joe Calagaz
Calagaz Printing
Mobile, AL 36606
251-478-0487


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou
Azabdaftari
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:29 AM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Coil Binding - Equipment Suggestions?

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Am I correct in assume this just crimps?  I looked on the website too  
and it says it has a roller/inserter too.  Do you have both?  Does it  
really work well?

Tom,

If we get jobs over 1,000 books we sub out the coilbinding.  Our guys  
charges us less than a dollar a book, so we're able to mark it up  
sufficiently.

Borzou Azabdaftari
Falcon Print and Copy
1921 Gallows Road
Suite 150
Vienna, VA 22182
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134
borzou@falconprintandcopy.com



On Jan 4, 2008, at 10:17 AM, Joe Calagaz wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> There is an air fed crimper system that we us that is very efficient  
> on
> clipping both ends at one time.
>
> Marlon Air Crimper 350 and it is about $1700
>
> It is very fast on clipping and can be sustained because the operators
> hand does not get worn out.....it is also very easy/quick setup
>
> Joe Calagaz
> Calagaz Printing
> Mobile, AL 36606
> 251-478-0487
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:07 AM
> To: printowners printowners
> Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Coil Binding - Equipment Suggestions?
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Tom,
> that's the same setup we use, Rhino brand, and my staff is quite
> efficient at using it. I think the next step up is quite pricey and
> would need an incredibly large volume to justify. With that said, I
> would be thrilled to be proven wrong and find even more efficient and
> affordable options.
> :)
> Robin
>
> Robin Niewold
> Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
> 130 N. Market Street
> Paxton, IL 60957
> 217.379.4715
> robin@protypeonline.com
>
>
>
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From david.doost at gmail.com  Fri Jan  4 10:59:09 2008
From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost)
Date: Fri Jan  4 10:59:38 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Coil Binding - Equipment Suggestions?
In-Reply-To: <001701c84ede$6d0305c0$47091140$@com>
References: <001701c84ede$6d0305c0$47091140$@com>
Message-ID: <477e57cf.2786460a.1518.300d@mx.google.com>

Tom,

We have had this machine for about 16 months now and it has
worked well for us:
http://www.rhin-o-tuff.com/raf-11.html

It is not cheap but we do a fair amount of binding with extremely
tight deadlines so we have to keep it in-house to keep the clients.
It takes care of the punching part but we are now just starting to look
at a more efficient inserting method so we are looking at this 
equipment below. I would love to hear any feedback from
anyone that has this or considered it, pro & con.

http://www.spiralbinding.com/selectOptions.cfm?ProductType=PBS3000QS
CB30QS Automatic UniCoilR Inserter 
CB 30QS - Quick Setup Auto Coil Inserter/Finishing System automatically
inserts pre-cut lengths of coil into the pre-punched book and  cuts and
crimps the ends in a single operation! Automatically inserts, cuts & crimps
both ends of plastic spiral elements



David Doost
Printing Impression
1200 Barrett Parkway Suite 4
Kennesaw, GA 30144
770-422-8766
www.printingimpression.net


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tom King
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:31 AM
To: Print Owners
Subject: [PrintOwners] Coil Binding - Equipment Suggestions?

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Plastic coil binding is driving us crazy - extraordinarily labor intensive
and time consuming. We seem to be getting more of it and it's a real time
killer - just finished a job for 1,100 coil bound books which seemed to take
forever to do. We have the tabletop units - one machine to punch the holes
(really thin lifts only) and another to spin the coil into the finished
book. Then cut and twist the ends of the coils by hand with that little
pliers tool.

 

What kind of equipment do you all use for this? Is there anything faster out
there without spending a fortune?

 

 

Tom King
King Printing
1305 W. College Ave.
State College, PA 16801
Phone: 814-238-2536
Fax: 814-237-5238
Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com 

 

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From richard at weprintcary.com  Fri Jan  4 11:05:26 2008
From: richard at weprintcary.com (Richard Cobb)
Date: Fri Jan  4 11:05:52 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Itek Platemaker
Message-ID: <477E5946.60604@weprintcary.com>

A friend is looking for an Itek platemaker model 616S or 617S or a 615S 
with SN >963. If you have one you want to move, please let me know. Thanks.
-- 
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Allegra Print & Imaging
1155 Kildaire Farm Road
Cary, NC  27511
919-468-3334
fax 919-468-3880

The Future of Printing is Here

Helping Businesses Find Ways to Enhance the VALUE of Their
Print Communications!
From david.doost at gmail.com  Fri Jan  4 11:06:02 2008
From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost)
Date: Fri Jan  4 11:06:29 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Ink for Rena
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAAGeRz0ot0flPtAMHzEhEVcYBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAAGeRz0ot0flPtAMHzEhEVcYBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>
Message-ID: <477e596c.2386460a.589b.5df9@mx.google.com>

Mark,

I know this is very basic but in case you haven't tried...

This happens to us sometimes at the beginning of the job especially
if we have not used the inkjet for a few days.
My guy will take the cartridge out and lightly tap it on a piece
of wet cloth several times to jar and loosen the ink.
Then after about ten impressions or so the problem goes away.
It works for us.


David Doost
Printing Impression
1200 Barrett Parkway Suite 4
Kennesaw, GA 30144
770-422-8766
www.printingimpression.net


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lake
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:54 AM
To: PrintOwners
Subject: [PrintOwners] Ink for Rena

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I have a Rena Imager I printer and am using fast dry ink. I am running into
a problem where, if there is a delay of more than about 5 seconds from 1
envelope to the next, about 1/8" of the lead edge of the address is missing
or looks slightly smeared. This is only when there is a slight delay. Is
that a result of the fast dry ink? If so, will the regular ink help that? I
know I need the fast dry for coated stock but is it necessary for envelopes,
newsletters, etc?

Mark Lake
PIP Printing
368 Jefferson Street
Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235
920.743.7370     920.743.4633 Fax
www.pipsturgeonbay.com <http://www.pipsturgeonbay.com/>       
Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com

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From ssheers at sheergraphics.com  Fri Jan  4 11:32:43 2008
From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers)
Date: Fri Jan  4 11:33:56 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Acrobat Printing Problem
In-Reply-To: <20080104155941.5D00AD52C98@rb.enter.net>
References: <20080104155941.5D00AD52C98@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <5e8808a6084830a85a9da5da15b49688@sheergraphics.com>

Yesterday we tried to print MYOB's upgrade User Guide PDF. It only 
printed from an Intel iMac with OS 10.4.x. Acrobat Pro 8.

It did not print from a G4 iMac with OS 10.3.9. Acrobat Pro 6.

Is the version of Acrobat you are using to print, earlier than the 
version that created the PDF?


>> I've got a strange one I cant figure out. Have a new Mac Book Pro 
>> running
>> Leopard.

P.S. Are we the only ones frustrated by MYOB's failure to use Macintosh 
keyboard/ instructional sub-windows/ filing conventions? The guides are 
written for Windoze users, but are the only ones included in the 
Macintosh package, and are thus unintelligible for the uninitiated.

Please reply to Simon Sheers at:
<ssheers@sheergraphics.com>

Sheer Graphics Inc.
47 Chestnut Avenue,
Westmont, IL 60559-1127
Tel: (630) 654-4422
<http://www.sheergraphics.com>
Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more
From championprinting at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  4 12:21:59 2008
From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly)
Date: Fri Jan  4 12:22:40 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Ink for Rena
Message-ID: <404088.25284.qm@web38914.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

We have a DA 615 Rena. We must set the ink heating level to 3 or 4 when using HP brand fast dry to avoid this problem. We had used off brands in the past (including Collins) and what you've described was a constant problem no matter what we did. In fairness to Collins, I've heard they have fixed the problem. BTW, you should be storing open cartridges in a sealed container with a damp rag on the bottom.

 
Ted Gelletly
Champion Printing
5401 New Expansion Drive
Eldersburg MD 21784
410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488
ted@championprintingonline.com 


----- Original Message ----
From: David Doost <david.doost@gmail.com>
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2008 11:06:02 AM
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Ink for Rena

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Mark,

I know this is very basic but in case you haven't tried...

This happens to us sometimes at the beginning of the job especially
if we have not used the inkjet for a few days.
My guy will take the cartridge out and lightly tap it on a piece
of wet cloth several times to jar and loosen the ink.
Then after about ten impressions or so the problem goes away.
It works for us.


David Doost
Printing Impression
1200 Barrett Parkway Suite 4
Kennesaw, GA 30144
770-422-8766
www.printingimpression.net


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lake
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:54 AM
To: PrintOwners
Subject: [PrintOwners] Ink for Rena

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I have a Rena Imager I printer and am using fast dry ink. I am running into
a problem where, if there is a delay of more than about 5 seconds from 1
envelope to the next, about 1/8" of the lead edge of the address is missing
or looks slightly smeared. This is only when there is a slight delay. Is
that a result of the fast dry ink? If so, will the regular ink help that? I
know I need the fast dry for coated stock but is it necessary for envelopes,
newsletters, etc?

Mark Lake
PIP Printing
368 Jefferson Street
Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235
920.743.7370    920.743.4633 Fax
www.pipsturgeonbay.com <http://www.pipsturgeonbay.com/>      
Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com
From kevin at proprinters.ca  Fri Jan  4 12:38:54 2008
From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin at PRO Printers)
Date: Fri Jan  4 12:39:23 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Coil Binding - Equipment Suggestions?
References: <001701c84ede$6d0305c0$47091140$@com>
Message-ID: <008301c84ef8$ad9813e0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1>

Tom, we had a similar situation where the spiral was really bogging us down. 
We purchased the following Rhinotuff equipment:

PAL-14, APES-14-77 mounted on the HD7700 punch.

It has really sped things up but the coiling and crimping is still 
relatively slow as before. We may look at getting a crimper in the future 
but for now the above equipment is serving us well. We paid about $8700 for 
all.

Kevin Kerr
Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc.
1900 Merivale Rd.
Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4
Tel 613-727-9444
Fax 613-727-1945
kevin@proprinters.ca
www.proprinters.ca

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom King" <TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com>
To: "Print Owners" <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:30 AM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Coil Binding - Equipment Suggestions?


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Plastic coil binding is driving us crazy - extraordinarily labor intensive
> and time consuming. We seem to be getting more of it and it's a real time
> killer - just finished a job for 1,100 coil bound books which seemed to 
> take
> forever to do. We have the tabletop units - one machine to punch the holes
> (really thin lifts only) and another to spin the coil into the finished
> book. Then cut and twist the ends of the coils by hand with that little
> pliers tool.
>
>
>
> What kind of equipment do you all use for this? Is there anything faster 
> out
> there without spending a fortune?
>
>
>
>
>
> Tom King
> King Printing
> 1305 W. College Ave.
> State College, PA 16801
> Phone: 814-238-2536
> Fax: 814-237-5238
> Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com
>
>
>
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> 


From char at themasterspress.com  Fri Jan  4 12:54:41 2008
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Fri Jan  4 12:54:52 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Fax Machine
Message-ID: <003901c84efa$ed528d60$0b01a8c0@CharXP>

My Oki Fax machine of 9 years just died.  Any suggestions of any recent
purchases.  Looks like I can buy a new one for the price of fixing this one
but not sure if it is of the same quality.  Any suggestions would be
appreciated.
Thanks
ch

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com


From jodib at blackfoot.net  Fri Jan  4 13:26:35 2008
From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser)
Date: Fri Jan  4 13:27:07 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Fax Machine
References: <003901c84efa$ed528d60$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
Message-ID: <005201c84eff$56f3bba0$0101a8c0@JodiPC>

Charlene:

We have a Xerox 657 WorkCenter that we got when we did an upgrade
(I think Xerox was having a promotion of some sort).  We have had it
for over 5 years and have been very happy with it.

Jodi Bowser
Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana
www.pyramidprintingmt.com
jodib@blackfoot.net
Member NAQP #205787
Member Garden City BNI
406-728-1503
fax 406-728-0505

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlene Sims" <char@themasterspress.com>
To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:54 AM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Fax Machine


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> My Oki Fax machine of 9 years just died.  Any suggestions of any recent
> purchases.  Looks like I can buy a new one for the price of fixing this 
> one
> but not sure if it is of the same quality.  Any suggestions would be
> appreciated.
> Thanks
> ch
>
> Charlene Sims
>
> The Master's Press, Inc
> 14550 Midway Road
> Dallas, Tx  75244
> 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
> char@themasterspress.com
> www.themasterspress.com
>
>
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From dominick at fmtc.com  Fri Jan  4 13:30:20 2008
From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing)
Date: Fri Jan  4 13:30:59 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Fax Machine
In-Reply-To: <003901c84efa$ed528d60$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
References: <003901c84efa$ed528d60$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
Message-ID: <477E7B3C.4080000@fmtc.com>

Charlene,
We use Brother 2800. Only $200 and if it dies, just get another. This 
one has lasted 2 years, averaging 200 faxes per month. At $1 per page, 
pays off real fast. Covers our phone bill every month. What more could 
you ask of a fax machine???

Joe Dominick

Dominick's Quality Printing
542 W. Idaho Avenue
Ontario Oregon 97914
541.881.1121
Fax 541.881.1599

www.dominicksprinting.com
dominick@fmtc.com

Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider
Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here!

Charlene Sims wrote:
> My Oki Fax machine of 9 years just died.  Any suggestions of any recent
> purchases.  Looks like I can buy a new one for the price of fixing this one
> but not sure if it is of the same quality.  Any suggestions would be
> appreciated.
> Thanks
> ch
>
> Charlene Sims
>  
> The Master's Press, Inc
> 14550 Midway Road
> Dallas, Tx  75244
> 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
> char@themasterspress.com
> www.themasterspress.com
>
>
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>
>   
From ron at printingconcepts.com  Fri Jan  4 14:35:43 2008
From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart)
Date: Fri Jan  4 14:31:03 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Coil Binding - Equipment Suggestions?
In-Reply-To: <008301c84ef8$ad9813e0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1>
Message-ID: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHEELDJMAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>

Of course you have to consider automating two operations:  punching and
coiling.

We have built up our business in both spiral and twin loop so that we were
able to purchase a Lhermite punch.  This is touted as the Cadillac and it
is.  Price $55K plus $3700 per die, ouch, but the amount of punching it can
do is incredible.  You might consider having someone with an automated
machine punch you a skid of paper ahead of time if you do a lot of 8.5 x 11
books on your copier/printer.  This is what we do for ourselves (we punch a
skid) and it works great.   Might even consider doing this yourself so that
the punching time frame is done before the job even exists, thus shortening
your turnaround.  Stay away from any automated punch made by GBC.

For spiral, we first purchased a Marlin crimper.  This works good and
eliminates the human element of making sloppy crimps and speeds the
operation up. I think this was around $2K.   Our next step was a GBC
Digicoil inserter.  This works pretty well but does not produce the kind of
productivity gains that can be made in punching.  Cost:  $20K.  I would give
this machine a B or B-.  We also discovered that for very large books for
spiral insertion, we needed a special die with elongated holes or the
inserting of the elements was pure hell.

We also have a Renz twin loop inserter.  You save a bundle on the elements
by buying in rolls, but you need to be doing a lot of twin loop to justify
the approx. $30K cost.



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Ron Taggart, President
PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC.
4246 Hudson Drive
Stow, Ohio  44224
330-572-8200  fax. 330-572-8201
www.printingconcepts.com
ron@printingconcepts.com


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Kevin at PRO
Printers
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 12:39 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Coil Binding - Equipment Suggestions?


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Tom, we had a similar situation where the spiral was really bogging us down.
We purchased the following Rhinotuff equipment:

PAL-14, APES-14-77 mounted on the HD7700 punch.

It has really sped things up but the coiling and crimping is still
relatively slow as before. We may look at getting a crimper in the future
but for now the above equipment is serving us well. We paid about $8700 for
all.

Kevin Kerr
Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc.
1900 Merivale Rd.
Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4
Tel 613-727-9444
Fax 613-727-1945
kevin@proprinters.ca
www.proprinters.ca

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom King" <TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com>
To: "Print Owners" <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:30 AM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Coil Binding - Equipment Suggestions?


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Plastic coil binding is driving us crazy - extraordinarily labor intensive
> and time consuming. We seem to be getting more of it and it's a real time
> killer - just finished a job for 1,100 coil bound books which seemed to
> take
> forever to do. We have the tabletop units - one machine to punch the holes
> (really thin lifts only) and another to spin the coil into the finished
> book. Then cut and twist the ends of the coils by hand with that little
> pliers tool.
>
>
>
> What kind of equipment do you all use for this? Is there anything faster
> out
> there without spending a fortune?
>
>
>
>
>
> Tom King
> King Printing
> 1305 W. College Ave.
> State College, PA 16801
> Phone: 814-238-2536
> Fax: 814-237-5238
> Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>


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From priorityprinting at comcast.net  Fri Jan  4 14:31:07 2008
From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net)
Date: Fri Jan  4 14:31:31 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] How long should artwork files be saved?
Message-ID: <010420081931.15239.477E897B00090C4C00003B8722070229330902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net>

Is there an industry standard for storing artwork?  I have no idea how long we should be saving customer artwork for.

We set a 4-5 year time line but would like to know what other shops are doing.

Jeff Farber
Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc.
1323 E. Main Street
Flushing, MI 48433
810 487-1700
From greg at pressexpress.org  Fri Jan  4 14:46:50 2008
From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Fri Jan  4 14:47:26 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] How long should artwork files be saved?
In-Reply-To: <010420081931.15239.477E897B00090C4C00003B8722070229330902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net>
References: <010420081931.15239.477E897B00090C4C00003B8722070229330902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <EC60ED23-B440-4E20-80F8-47C4266DF6DF@pressexpress.org>

With disk space so cheap, we keep all files.  All files fit on less  
than 500 gig, user data included.   However, back in 2000 we had a  
crash and due to poor back up and migration techniques, we lost  
everything prior to 2000 (no not y2k related) and yes, our back up  
practices are up to specs now with both on premises and off premises  
back ups.  It is also a good advertising point.

You never know just when someone is going to resurrect that old file.

Greg

On Jan 4, 2008, at 1:31 PM, priorityprinting@comcast.net wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Is there an industry standard for storing artwork?  I have no idea  
> how long we should be saving customer artwork for.
>
> We set a 4-5 year time line but would like to know what other shops  
> are doing.
>
> Jeff Farber
> Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc.
> 1323 E. Main Street
> Flushing, MI 48433
> 810 487-1700
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners


Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org

Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider
Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider


From bob at rjmprinting.com  Fri Jan  4 14:46:58 2008
From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek)
Date: Fri Jan  4 14:47:51 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] How long should artwork files be saved?
In-Reply-To: <010420081931.15239.477E897B00090C4C00003B8722070229330902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <auto-000004214579@popp.net>

Our record for length of time between reorders is 8 years.  We keep
everything digitally we no longer have "hard" art.

Bob Molacek
Sir Speedy Printing
7793 Ranchers Road
Fridley, MN  55432
763-571-4608
bob@rjmprinting.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of
priorityprinting@comcast.net
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:31 PM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] How long should artwork files be saved?

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Is there an industry standard for storing artwork?  I have no idea how long
we should be saving customer artwork for.

We set a 4-5 year time line but would like to know what other shops are
doing.

Jeff Farber
Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc.
1323 E. Main Street
Flushing, MI 48433
810 487-1700
_______________________________________________
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Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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From User911583 at aol.com  Fri Jan  4 14:59:47 2008
From: User911583 at aol.com (User911583@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan  4 15:00:17 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] 84 Brightness 70# Offset Smooth
Message-ID: <cbf.1d16cb0b.34afea33@aol.com>

I was wondering if anyone knows where I can purchase 10,000 sheets of 11 x  
17 70# smooth offset, it must be 84 brightness to match the color of previous  
run.
 
Thanks in advance
 
 
Patrick Smith
Globalprint Direct
PO Box 487 
Magnolia, TX
800-926-4002
_csr@globalprintdirect.com_ (mailto:csr@globalprintdirect.com) 



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From priorityprinting at comcast.net  Fri Jan  4 15:02:30 2008
From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net)
Date: Fri Jan  4 15:02:57 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] How long should printed hard copy be saved?
Message-ID: <010420082002.29885.477E90D60001513E000074BD22070216330902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net>

We are considering saving printed hard copies for only four years and digital files basically forever.  Is there an industry standard for storing printed hard copies?

Jeff Farber
Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc.
1323 E. Main Street
Flushing, MI 48433
810 487-1700
From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Fri Jan  4 15:03:29 2008
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Fri Jan  4 15:03:54 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] How long should artwork files be saved?
In-Reply-To: <auto-000004214579@popp.net>
References: <010420081931.15239.477E897B00090C4C00003B8722070229330902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net>
	<auto-000004214579@popp.net>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0801041203w654781e9o55a8e47ac4a13642@mail.gmail.com>

On Jan 4, 2008 2:46 PM, Bob Molacek <bob@rjmprinting.com> wrote:
>
> Our record for length of time between reorders is 8 years.  We keep
> everything digitally we no longer have "hard" art.


We still have our (very) old hard art files, kept separately from job
jackets from digital art. Amazingly, at least once a year, it seems,
we pull something from those files and have to convert them to
digital. I have trouble understanding how flushing old files from the
system can be anything but antithetical to the sales process.


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com
====================================
Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
                                                     ~Lord Bacon
From greg at pressexpress.org  Fri Jan  4 15:03:29 2008
From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Fri Jan  4 15:03:56 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing
Message-ID: <95E261F4-ABDC-4FB3-956B-5E4BF13400C3@pressexpress.org>

We wish to print several flyers and brochures this year promoting our  
quick print/copy/vinyl shop but know that setting them up can be a bit  
time consuming, plus finding time to do our own work while catering to  
real customers can be difficult.

Would there be objections on this list if I asked anyone out there  
would be willing to share their own print shop brochures to others on  
the list??

Just trying to get some idea builders.

Anything would be appreciated.

Thanks

Greg

Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org

Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider
Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider


From russ at mobile-print.com  Fri Jan  4 15:02:34 2008
From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters)
Date: Fri Jan  4 15:04:54 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] How long should artwork files be saved?
In-Reply-To: <010420081931.15239.477E897B00090C4C00003B8722070229330902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net>
References: <010420081931.15239.477E897B00090C4C00003B8722070229330902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <477E90DA.7000903@mobile-print.com>

We keep digital art forever. Hard copy art files go back 7 years.

Russ Peters
MOBILE PRINT, INC.
201 W. Central Road
Mount Prospect, IL 60056
Phone: 847.398.6155
Fax: 847.398.0788
E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com
W. www.Mobile-Print.com



priorityprinting@comcast.net wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Is there an industry standard for storing artwork?  I have no idea how long we should be saving customer artwork for.
>
> We set a 4-5 year time line but would like to know what other shops are doing.
>
> Jeff Farber
> Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc.
> 1323 E. Main Street
> Flushing, MI 48433
> 810 487-1700
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>
>
>   
From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Fri Jan  4 15:07:25 2008
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Fri Jan  4 15:07:47 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Coil Binding - Equipment Suggestions?
In-Reply-To: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHEELDJMAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>
References: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHEELDJMAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>
Message-ID: <A825C5FB-FD72-4457-967A-9753FBB77633@falconprintandcopy.com>

Just a side note to the punching issue, we have the professional punch  
attachment on our Canon ir7105.  I know I've been complaining about  
service recently, and those are warranted complaints, but the  
professional punch is a life saver.  We have GBC and coil dies, and it  
punches everything at rated speeds.  If we have color covers we punch  
them first, run the color copies on it, and then put them in the post  
process inserter.  Tabs are a hassle with it though, but its doable.   
I think it was a $10K option, which breaks into the lease anyway, but  
its been a lifesaver for us.

Borzou Azabdaftari
Falcon Print and Copy
1921 Gallows Road
Suite 150
Vienna, VA 22182
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134
borzou@falconprintandcopy.com



On Jan 4, 2008, at 2:35 PM, Ron Taggart wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Of course you have to consider automating two operations:  punching  
> and
> coiling.
>
> We have built up our business in both spiral and twin loop so that  
> we were
> able to purchase a Lhermite punch.  This is touted as the Cadillac  
> and it
> is.  Price $55K plus $3700 per die, ouch, but the amount of punching  
> it can
> do is incredible.  You might consider having someone with an automated
> machine punch you a skid of paper ahead of time if you do a lot of  
> 8.5 x 11
> books on your copier/printer.  This is what we do for ourselves (we  
> punch a
> skid) and it works great.   Might even consider doing this yourself  
> so that
> the punching time frame is done before the job even exists, thus  
> shortening
> your turnaround.  Stay away from any automated punch made by GBC.
>
> For spiral, we first purchased a Marlin crimper.  This works good and
> eliminates the human element of making sloppy crimps and speeds the
> operation up. I think this was around $2K.   Our next step was a GBC
> Digicoil inserter.  This works pretty well but does not produce the  
> kind of
> productivity gains that can be made in punching.  Cost:  $20K.  I  
> would give
> this machine a B or B-.  We also discovered that for very large  
> books for
> spiral insertion, we needed a special die with elongated holes or the
> inserting of the elements was pure hell.
>
> We also have a Renz twin loop inserter.  You save a bundle on the  
> elements
> by buying in rolls, but you need to be doing a lot of twin loop to  
> justify
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Kevin at PRO
> Printers
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 12:39 PM
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Coil Binding - Equipment Suggestions?
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> Tom, we had a similar situation where the spiral was really bogging  
> us down.
> We purchased the following Rhinotuff equipment:
>
> PAL-14, APES-14-77 mounted on the HD7700 punch.
>
> It has really sped things up but the coiling and crimping is still
> relatively slow as before. We may look at getting a crimper in the  
> future
> but for now the above equipment is serving us well. We paid about  
> $8700 for
> all.
>
> Kevin Kerr
> Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc.
> 1900 Merivale Rd.
> Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4
> Tel 613-727-9444
> Fax 613-727-1945
> kevin@proprinters.ca
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom King" <TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com>
> To: "Print Owners" <printowners@printweb.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:30 AM
> Subject: [PrintOwners] Coil Binding - Equipment Suggestions?
>
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>>
>> Plastic coil binding is driving us crazy - extraordinarily labor  
>> intensive
>> and time consuming. We seem to be getting more of it and it's a  
>> real time
>> killer - just finished a job for 1,100 coil bound books which  
>> seemed to
>> take
>> forever to do. We have the tabletop units - one machine to punch  
>> the holes
>> (really thin lifts only) and another to spin the coil into the  
>> finished
>> book. Then cut and twist the ends of the coils by hand with that  
>> little
>> pliers tool.
>>
>>
>>
>> What kind of equipment do you all use for this? Is there anything  
>> faster
>> out
>> there without spending a fortune?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom King
>> King Printing
>> 1305 W. College Ave.
>> State College, PA 16801
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From kellycrom at gmail.com  Fri Jan  4 15:11:54 2008
From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics)
Date: Fri Jan  4 15:11:59 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] 84 Brightness 70# Offset Smooth
In-Reply-To: <cbf.1d16cb0b.34afea33@aol.com>
References: <cbf.1d16cb0b.34afea33@aol.com>
Message-ID: <016801c84f0e$0f052130$6d01a8c0@KELLY>

If you have extreme difficulty finding the old brightness, politely explain
to your customer that it was the paper manufacturers(not you) that decided
to change the brightness of all of the commodity grades. Also, then explain
that it will probably cost them much more to get an 84 bright sheet as
opposed to the current 92+ that is available now. Using that logic with a
few of our customers has worked well for us.

Kelly Crom
Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.

We've Moved!!!
2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
Plymouth, MN  55441
New Phone:  (763)231-6970
kellycrom@gmail.com
www.applied-graphics.com 

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org 
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of 
> User911583@aol.com
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 2:00 PM
> To: printowners@printweb.org
> Subject: [PrintOwners] 84 Brightness 70# Offset Smooth
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> I was wondering if anyone knows where I can purchase 10,000 
> sheets of 11 x  
> 17 70# smooth offset, it must be 84 brightness to match the 
> color of previous  
> run.
>  
> Thanks in advance
>  
>  
> Patrick Smith
> Globalprint Direct
> PO Box 487 
> Magnolia, TX
> 800-926-4002
> _csr@globalprintdirect.com_ (mailto:csr@globalprintdirect.com) 
> 
> 
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From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Fri Jan  4 15:26:56 2008
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Fri Jan  4 15:27:11 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] 84 Brightness 70# Offset Smooth
In-Reply-To: <cbf.1d16cb0b.34afea33@aol.com>
References: <cbf.1d16cb0b.34afea33@aol.com>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0801041226m57e787ceyfd921269693c7de4@mail.gmail.com>

On Jan 4, 2008 2:59 PM,  <User911583@aol.com> wrote:
>
> I was wondering if anyone knows where I can purchase 10,000 sheets of 11 x
> 17 70# smooth offset, it must be 84 brightness to match the color of previous
> run.


When even dingy Williamsburg Offset has a brightness of 92, good luck!

My approach would be take control and tell the customer that paper
mills keep making their whites whiter due to market forces out of my
control. And I would show them what is currently available. Perhaps
they'll choose a soft white; perhaps they'll accept that white isn't
the dingy gray it used to be.


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com
====================================
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From sos at olympus.net  Fri Jan  4 16:13:57 2008
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Fri Jan  4 16:14:24 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] How long should artwork files be saved?
References: <010420081931.15239.477E897B00090C4C00003B8722070229330902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net><auto-000004214579@popp.net>
	<98f5b19a0801041203w654781e9o55a8e47ac4a13642@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <054501c84f16$b83f9a70$6900a8c0@DANIEL>

We still have 1.2 meg floppies from before I was here, 12-14 years ago 
maybe.  And we still have a least one computer that can read them if 
necessary.  I'm afraid the old 5 1/4 in floppies are no longer around.  But 
we still had a computer to read them maybe 4 or 5 years ago.  Anybody 
remember the 12 inch floppies?  Or were they 9 inch?
Hard copy paper files we keep for 5 years, but we really ought to weed them 
out and use the storeage space for something more useful.  Hey that'd be a 
good new years resolution wouldn't it, throw out the crap.

As soon as I get caught up. . .

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860 


From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com  Fri Jan  4 16:14:09 2008
From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake)
Date: Fri Jan  4 16:15:35 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Ink for Rena
In-Reply-To: <477e596c.2386460a.589b.5df9@mx.google.com>
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This problem is not when the  printer isn't used for days, it is when it
isn't used for literally seconds. The printer does have a printhead purge
(it runs whatever is in the feed tray and lays down a solid stip of ink as
wide as each printhead, but if I don't start printing again for 5 seconds,
there is an area at the lead edge of the printed address where there is no
ink. Ted, our printer doesn't have a heater and we do store the cartridges
upside down in the carrier they came in. We wipe them off before we put them
away for storage and again before we put them back into the printer.


Mark Lake
PIP Printing
368 Jefferson Street
Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235
920.743.7370     920.743.4633 Fax
www.pipsturgeonbay.com      
Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com
 
To send a file to us, please use the link below
http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of David Doost
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:06 AM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Ink for Rena

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Mark,

I know this is very basic but in case you haven't tried...

This happens to us sometimes at the beginning of the job especially if we
have not used the inkjet for a few days.
My guy will take the cartridge out and lightly tap it on a piece of wet
cloth several times to jar and loosen the ink.
Then after about ten impressions or so the problem goes away.
It works for us.


David Doost
Printing Impression
1200 Barrett Parkway Suite 4
Kennesaw, GA 30144
770-422-8766
www.printingimpression.net


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lake
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:54 AM
To: PrintOwners
Subject: [PrintOwners] Ink for Rena

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I have a Rena Imager I printer and am using fast dry ink. I am running into
a problem where, if there is a delay of more than about 5 seconds from 1
envelope to the next, about 1/8" of the lead edge of the address is missing
or looks slightly smeared. This is only when there is a slight delay. Is
that a result of the fast dry ink? If so, will the regular ink help that? I
know I need the fast dry for coated stock but is it necessary for envelopes,
newsletters, etc?

Mark Lake
PIP Printing
368 Jefferson Street
Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235
920.743.7370     920.743.4633 Fax
www.pipsturgeonbay.com <http://www.pipsturgeonbay.com/>       
Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com

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From John at mpcny.com  Fri Jan  4 16:23:20 2008
From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry)
Date: Fri Jan  4 16:23:33 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] web to print question
Message-ID: <008901c84f18$07e4be60$17ae3b20$@com>

Before Christmas a pretty good tread was going on the needs and wants of
intergraded print Management and web ordering system. Not like the current
ones that pretty much are 2 separate products with at best a handshake.

The type of product that would be a like what Printersplan-keycustomers is
but with website for printers or MOD fully intergraded. A real live
workstation on the web with customer web portal with full prefight, VDP and
file transfer.

I think it was Mike Stevens who asked would you pay $10,000 for this type of
solution. I and few others said yes.

I would like to take this one step further, the need is out their if a new
company were to create this solution from the ground up designed to do this,
would you switch to it?

MY View is all solutions out today were designed for one function; to be a
print management system or a web to print solution. They then try to bolt
together 2 systems that work well but do not meet current users need. No one
has been able to make the 2 work fully and may never.

Worse they all want to "own" their part of the pie and let others in but
only on their terms. JDF promised to open all this and make that system
fully work together. It has failed to do that as "open" has been a one way
street. Each vendor wants in to the other end "open" but will not fully open
theirs... Vista Print and others have made it work, it can and is being
done.

I guess what I am talking about is creating a whole new product. I am
willing to invest $25-50,000 in start up money. I think if 10-15 others also
did this we could pool $500,000 for the creation of this program. Hell I am
sure I can find some programmers over sea's who are willing to tackle this
for that. You bolt the VDP on, add, Jaws and the web end create the print
shell on to a database program and you're done- simple <G>. 

I know at some point EFI will get it right, just at what cost and how long
is the issue. If your web end or desktop management ends, what happens when
your competition gets it right? I would think both sides should be forming
partnerships that benefit both- real soon.





John M. Henry
Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
125-129 East First Street
Oswego, New York 13126
(315) 343-3531
(315) 343-3577 Fax
www.mpcny.com
John@mpcny.com


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From jann at jannsdesign.com  Fri Jan  4 16:25:38 2008
From: jann at jannsdesign.com (Jann Leger)
Date: Fri Jan  4 16:26:12 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] How long should artwork files be saved?
In-Reply-To: <054501c84f16$b83f9a70$6900a8c0@DANIEL>
References: <010420081931.15239.477E897B00090C4C00003B8722070229330902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net><auto-000004214579@popp.net>
	<98f5b19a0801041203w654781e9o55a8e47ac4a13642@mail.gmail.com>
	<054501c84f16$b83f9a70$6900a8c0@DANIEL>
Message-ID: <3767.68.116.40.23.1199481938.squirrel@members.ccountry.net>

Although I keep everything forever! <g>, I don't really want to be
responsible to clients forever, so I put a time frame on how long files
are kept. (with business cards it is a year, etc.) I do have clients from
waaaay past that drop in once in a while and when I actually have their
stuff, they are surprised and grateful.

Jann


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> We still have 1.2 meg floppies from before I was here, 12-14 years ago
> maybe.  And we still have a least one computer that can read them if
> necessary.  I'm afraid the old 5 1/4 in floppies are no longer around.
> But
> we still had a computer to read them maybe 4 or 5 years ago.  Anybody
> remember the 12 inch floppies?  Or were they 9 inch?
> Hard copy paper files we keep for 5 years, but we really ought to weed
> them
> out and use the storeage space for something more useful.  Hey that'd be a
> good new years resolution wouldn't it, throw out the crap.
>
> As soon as I get caught up. . .
>
> Dan Huntingford
> SOS Printing
> 2319 Washington Street
> Port Townsend, WA 98368
> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF
> sos@olympus.net
> (360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860
>
>
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541.476.3502
Document & Publication Design

From dennis.trump at gmail.com  Fri Jan  4 16:48:33 2008
From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump)
Date: Fri Jan  4 16:48:49 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] web to print question
In-Reply-To: <008901c84f18$07e4be60$17ae3b20$@com>
References: <008901c84f18$07e4be60$17ae3b20$@com>
Message-ID: <41aa6a080801041348i78490f35jcb3302e31dbe85bc@mail.gmail.com>

Well John, you picked the thought right out of my head. I certainly
don't see why this can't be done. A consortium of independents. I
think the programmers are already out there that can do this. This
will be one of the bigger challenges facing small printers in the near
future. I'm on board as long as your not editing the user manual. <gg>

Count me in!

-- 
Dennis Trump
Trump Direct
a print and direct mail communications company
Decatur IL
www.trumpdirect.com
trump@trumpdirect.com
217.429.9001

On Jan 4, 2008 3:23 PM, John Henry <John@mpcny.com> wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Before Christmas a pretty good tread was going on the needs and wants of
> intergraded print Management and web ordering system. Not like the current
> ones that pretty much are 2 separate products with at best a handshake.
>
> The type of product that would be a like what Printersplan-keycustomers is
> but with website for printers or MOD fully intergraded. A real live
> workstation on the web with customer web portal with full prefight, VDP and
> file transfer.
>
> I think it was Mike Stevens who asked would you pay $10,000 for this type of
> solution. I and few others said yes.
>
> I would like to take this one step further, the need is out their if a new
> company were to create this solution from the ground up designed to do this,
> would you switch to it?
>
> MY View is all solutions out today were designed for one function; to be a
> print management system or a web to print solution. They then try to bolt
> together 2 systems that work well but do not meet current users need. No one
> has been able to make the 2 work fully and may never.
>
> Worse they all want to "own" their part of the pie and let others in but
> only on their terms. JDF promised to open all this and make that system
> fully work together. It has failed to do that as "open" has been a one way
> street. Each vendor wants in to the other end "open" but will not fully open
> theirs... Vista Print and others have made it work, it can and is being
> done.
>
> I guess what I am talking about is creating a whole new product. I am
> willing to invest $25-50,000 in start up money. I think if 10-15 others also
> did this we could pool $500,000 for the creation of this program. Hell I am
> sure I can find some programmers over sea's who are willing to tackle this
> for that. You bolt the VDP on, add, Jaws and the web end create the print
> shell on to a database program and you're done- simple <G>.
>
> I know at some point EFI will get it right, just at what cost and how long
> is the issue. If your web end or desktop management ends, what happens when
> your competition gets it right? I would think both sides should be forming
> partnerships that benefit both- real soon.
>
>
>
>
>
> John M. Henry
> Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
> 125-129 East First Street
> Oswego, New York 13126
> (315) 343-3531
> (315) 343-3577 Fax
> www.mpcny.com
> John@mpcny.com
>
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From smc at sorrentomesa.com  Fri Jan  4 15:39:44 2008
From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel)
Date: Fri Jan  4 17:01:31 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] 84 Brightness 70# Offset Smooth
In-Reply-To: <016801c84f0e$0f052130$6d01a8c0@KELLY>
References: <cbf.1d16cb0b.34afea33@aol.com>
	<016801c84f0e$0f052130$6d01a8c0@KELLY>
Message-ID: <200801042201.m04M19qh008588@i2bnetworks.com>


Agree with Kelly. This is a sales issue. We handled this proactively 
when the change occured.

It was highly appreciated by many of our clients and allowd the 
switch to proceed seamlessly.

S.






At 12:11 PM 1/4/2008, you wrote:
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>If you have extreme difficulty finding the old brightness, politely explain
>to your customer that it was the paper manufacturers(not you) that decided
>to change the brightness of all of the commodity grades. Also, then explain
>that it will probably cost them much more to get an 84 bright sheet as
>opposed to the current 92+ that is available now. Using that logic with a
>few of our customers has worked well for us.
>
>Kelly Crom
>Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.
>
>We've Moved!!!
>2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
>Plymouth, MN  55441
>New Phone:  (763)231-6970
>kellycrom@gmail.com
>www.applied-graphics.com
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of
> > User911583@aol.com
> > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 2:00 PM
> > To: printowners@printweb.org
> > Subject: [PrintOwners] 84 Brightness 70# Offset Smooth
> >
> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone knows where I can purchase 10,000
> > sheets of 11 x
> > 17 70# smooth offset, it must be 84 brightness to match the
> > color of previous
> > run.
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> >
> > Patrick Smith
> > Globalprint Direct
> > PO Box 487
> > Magnolia, TX
> > 800-926-4002
> > _csr@globalprintdirect.com_ (mailto:csr@globalprintdirect.com)
> >
> >
> >
> > **************Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in
> > shape.
> > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
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From rstor at copycats.com  Fri Jan  4 17:23:05 2008
From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor)
Date: Fri Jan  4 17:25:02 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] web to print question
In-Reply-To: <41aa6a080801041348i78490f35jcb3302e31dbe85bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <008901c84f18$07e4be60$17ae3b20$@com>
	<41aa6a080801041348i78490f35jcb3302e31dbe85bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <477EB1C9.5050207@copycats.com>

Much as I want this solution, the independent approach will not work.

You need a company that can provide support and enhancements, with a 
staff dedicated to this. Users need to be assured that the support will 
not stop when the Indian contract guy decides to go to work for Intel or 
whatever.

IMO, the best way to develop this idea is to go to a provider of one or 
the other of the main pieces of this and offer them $X to do the other 
side. Better yet, go ask the particular provider what it will cost to do 
the other side of this and raise the $. You can get fancy and ask that 
the investors get exclusivity on the solution, or that the initial 
investors get some % of future customers' spending on the enhanced 
product (else why would someone pony up the cash if they know they can 
get it for much less once it has been developed.)

Regards,
Bob Stor
Copycats
New York, NY
212-557-2111 x20
www.copycats.com

Dennis Trump wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Well John, you picked the thought right out of my head. I certainly
> don't see why this can't be done. A consortium of independents. I
> think the programmers are already out there that can do this. This
> will be one of the bigger challenges facing small printers in the near
> future. I'm on board as long as your not editing the user manual. <gg>
>
> Count me in!
>
>   
From steve at toledoprinter.com  Fri Jan  4 17:25:04 2008
From: steve at toledoprinter.com (West Printing)
Date: Fri Jan  4 17:25:31 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Acrobat Printing Problem
In-Reply-To: <C3A2B77C.2AE26%bob@gallagherprint.com>
References: <C3A2B77C.2AE26%bob@gallagherprint.com>
Message-ID: <007501c84f20$a8a591f0$f9f0b5d0$@com>

There is an article in this month's issue of Adobe's ReadMe Now
regarding Acrobat printing problem when running Leopard. Here is link
to topic if it is relevant to you.
http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=kb402812&sli
ceId=1




Steve Robison
West Printing Co.
327 12th Street, Toledo, OH 43604
Ph. 419.246.0857, steve@toledoprinter.com?
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-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Gallagher
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 4:02 PM
To: PrintOwners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] Acrobat Printing Problem

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I've got a strange one I cant figure out. Have a new Mac Book Pro
running
Leopard. I can't print to our Fiery RIP and the KM6500 from Acrobat
Pro, it
keeps crashing. I can take the same PDF to any other computer on our
network
and it prints fine. I can import it into In Design  and it prints, but
not
from Acrobat. I can print to other printers on our network, but not to
the
Fiery. All the CS3 programs plus Quark and the Microsoft programs will
print, but Acrobat crashes.

I've tried several different PDF files and still cant print. Tried a
document in In Design and it printed fine. Converted it to a PDF and
reimported into In Design and it prints. Opened in Acrobat and it
crashes
when trying to print.

Any suggestions?


Bob Gallagher
Gallagher Printing, Inc.
601 W. Main Street
Palmyra, PA 17078
717-838-1527
1-888-838-1527
Fax 717-838-5715
<bob@gallagherprint.com>
http://www.gallagherprint.com

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From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com  Fri Jan  4 17:49:18 2008
From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton)
Date: Fri Jan  4 17:50:51 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] web to print question
In-Reply-To: <008901c84f18$07e4be60$17ae3b20$@com>
Message-ID: <029c01c84f24$09cee4b0$f901a8c0@MitchDell>

John,

>From my viewpoint, we have a lot of time invested in our client catalogs
with WFP. To take that one step further, we also have a lot of time
"training" clients to use it.

We like what WFP does. I have told EFI, and other EFI users, that WFP is
more important to us than PS, simply because that's what our customers see.
It's easier to train our staff on a new print management system than it is
to train customers on a new website.

IF EFI ever gets it right, WFP, MOD, Printers Plan, Printers Presence, and
others MAY have to evaluate where there product fits.

I'm not a programmer, but I think you may be underestimating the time and
resources it will take to create this product. The way you envision using it
will vary dramatically with how others will want to use it (the balancing
act that all software companies face). There will be thousands of decisions
on what capabilities and features should, and should not, be included. Some
of those capabilities will cost money, over and above, the programming
costs.

I'm not sure I'm willing to throw my hat, or my money, in that ring. It may
be like that movie "The Money Pit" with Shelly Long and Tom Hanks . . .
always two weeks from being completed and always needing another $100,000.

I would like to see Printers Plan and Websites for Printers integrate their
products. I'd switch Print Management systems now, in anticipation of the
integration, if I knew for sure they were going work together.

If you're willing to drop 25 - 50 grand on a brand new solution, why don't
you redirect it to WFP and Printers Plan ;) or at least let them know you're
willing to ante up for the integration cost.

Why reinvent the wheel?

Mitch Eaton
The Printing Station
1420 Locust Street
Des Moines, IA 50309
515-243-8144
866-866-7414
Fax 515-243-6540
mitch.eaton@printingstation.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 3:23 PM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] web to print question
Importance: High

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Before Christmas a pretty good tread was going on the needs and wants of
intergraded print Management and web ordering system. Not like the current
ones that pretty much are 2 separate products with at best a handshake.

The type of product that would be a like what Printersplan-keycustomers is
but with website for printers or MOD fully intergraded. A real live
workstation on the web with customer web portal with full prefight, VDP and
file transfer.

I think it was Mike Stevens who asked would you pay $10,000 for this type of
solution. I and few others said yes.

I would like to take this one step further, the need is out their if a new
company were to create this solution from the ground up designed to do this,
would you switch to it?

MY View is all solutions out today were designed for one function; to be a
print management system or a web to print solution. They then try to bolt
together 2 systems that work well but do not meet current users need. No one
has been able to make the 2 work fully and may never.

Worse they all want to "own" their part of the pie and let others in but
only on their terms. JDF promised to open all this and make that system
fully work together. It has failed to do that as "open" has been a one way
street. Each vendor wants in to the other end "open" but will not fully open
theirs... Vista Print and others have made it work, it can and is being
done.

I guess what I am talking about is creating a whole new product. I am
willing to invest $25-50,000 in start up money. I think if 10-15 others also
did this we could pool $500,000 for the creation of this program. Hell I am
sure I can find some programmers over sea's who are willing to tackle this
for that. You bolt the VDP on, add, Jaws and the web end create the print
shell on to a database program and you're done- simple <G>. 

I know at some point EFI will get it right, just at what cost and how long
is the issue. If your web end or desktop management ends, what happens when
your competition gets it right? I would think both sides should be forming
partnerships that benefit both- real soon.





John M. Henry
Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
125-129 East First Street
Oswego, New York 13126
(315) 343-3531
(315) 343-3577 Fax
www.mpcny.com
John@mpcny.com


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From printer at ptialaska.net  Fri Jan  4 21:11:45 2008
From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln)
Date: Fri Jan  4 21:12:00 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] QM-46 Roller Problem
Message-ID: <ABA50CBF-77D1-4254-9244-1057AD19E3AE@ptialaska.net>

We have been having a hard time keeping 1 particular roller clean on  
the press (both units). It is a hard rubber distributor roller (not  
oscillating). We called service and they acknowledged a problem with  
the epoxy on these. Has anyone heard of this?


_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

Charles Lincoln
ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
612 30th Avenue
Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
(907) 451-1111
fax (907) 451-4511

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

From acepm2 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  5 09:00:43 2008
From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas)
Date: Sat Jan  5 09:01:02 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] web to print question
In-Reply-To: <41aa6a080801041348i78490f35jcb3302e31dbe85bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <008901c84f18$07e4be60$17ae3b20$@com>
	<41aa6a080801041348i78490f35jcb3302e31dbe85bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c2778de30801050600v3495d707n8c354b3076fa8341@mail.gmail.com>

I'll second that! John Henry cannot edit the user manual!!

Thom Gulyas
ACE Printing & Mailing
www.acepm.com




On Jan 4, 2008 4:48 PM, Dennis Trump <dennis.trump@gmail.com> wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Well John, you picked the thought right out of my head. I certainly
> don't see why this can't be done. A consortium of independents. I
> think the programmers are already out there that can do this. This
> will be one of the bigger challenges facing small printers in the near
> future. I'm on board as long as your not editing the user manual. <gg>
>
> Count me in!
>
> --
> Dennis Trump
> Trump Direct
> a print and direct mail communications company
> Decatur IL
> www.trumpdirect.com
> trump@trumpdirect.com
> 217.429.9001
>
> On Jan 4, 2008 3:23 PM, John Henry <John@mpcny.com> wrote:
> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> >
> > Before Christmas a pretty good tread was going on the needs and wants of
> > intergraded print Management and web ordering system. Not like the
> current
> > ones that pretty much are 2 separate products with at best a handshake.
> >
> > The type of product that would be a like what Printersplan-keycustomers
> is
> > but with website for printers or MOD fully intergraded. A real live
> > workstation on the web with customer web portal with full prefight, VDP
> and
> > file transfer.
> >
> > I think it was Mike Stevens who asked would you pay $10,000 for this
> type of
> > solution. I and few others said yes.
> >
> > I would like to take this one step further, the need is out their if a
> new
> > company were to create this solution from the ground up designed to do
> this,
> > would you switch to it?
> >
> > MY View is all solutions out today were designed for one function; to be
> a
> > print management system or a web to print solution. They then try to
> bolt
> > together 2 systems that work well but do not meet current users need. No
> one
> > has been able to make the 2 work fully and may never.
> >
> > Worse they all want to "own" their part of the pie and let others in but
> > only on their terms. JDF promised to open all this and make that system
> > fully work together. It has failed to do that as "open" has been a one
> way
> > street. Each vendor wants in to the other end "open" but will not fully
> open
> > theirs... Vista Print and others have made it work, it can and is being
> > done.
> >
> > I guess what I am talking about is creating a whole new product. I am
> > willing to invest $25-50,000 in start up money. I think if 10-15 others
> also
> > did this we could pool $500,000 for the creation of this program. Hell I
> am
> > sure I can find some programmers over sea's who are willing to tackle
> this
> > for that. You bolt the VDP on, add, Jaws and the web end create the
> print
> > shell on to a database program and you're done- simple <G>.
> >
> > I know at some point EFI will get it right, just at what cost and how
> long
> > is the issue. If your web end or desktop management ends, what happens
> when
> > your competition gets it right? I would think both sides should be
> forming
> > partnerships that benefit both- real soon.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > John M. Henry
> > Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
> > 125-129 East First Street
> > Oswego, New York 13126
> > (315) 343-3531
> > (315) 343-3577 Fax
> > www.mpcny.com
> > John@mpcny.com
> >
> >
> > No virus found in this outgoing message.
> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date:
> 1/2/2008
> > 11:29 AM
> >
> >
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> >
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>


-- 
Thom Gulyas
ACE Printing & Mailing
Berlin, Maryland 21811
www.acepm.com
From acepm2 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  5 09:11:08 2008
From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas)
Date: Sat Jan  5 09:11:27 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] web to print question
In-Reply-To: <008901c84f18$07e4be60$17ae3b20$@com>
References: <008901c84f18$07e4be60$17ae3b20$@com>
Message-ID: <c2778de30801050611w371dcee9yd9b88de60e29341a@mail.gmail.com>

I will second the investment from my end as well.

I would like to see a product tied directly to WebSitesForPrinters.com which
would enhance the abilities that we all have been seriously lacking.

I'm familiar with the talent pool (more commonly and affectionately referred
to as EGG HEADS) that work with Mike Stevens and I am CONFIDENT that his
company can pull this off.

I would like to see this incorporated with Printer's Plan. However, I'm not
alone when I say that we could pool our resources and build a program from
the ground up to do what is necessary.

Thom Gulyas
ACE Printing & Mailing
www.acepm.com






On Jan 4, 2008 4:23 PM, John Henry <John@mpcny.com> wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Before Christmas a pretty good tread was going on the needs and wants of
> intergraded print Management and web ordering system. Not like the current
> ones that pretty much are 2 separate products with at best a handshake.
>
> The type of product that would be a like what Printersplan-keycustomers is
> but with website for printers or MOD fully intergraded. A real live
> workstation on the web with customer web portal with full prefight, VDP
> and
> file transfer.
>
> I think it was Mike Stevens who asked would you pay $10,000 for this type
> of
> solution. I and few others said yes.
>
> I would like to take this one step further, the need is out their if a new
> company were to create this solution from the ground up designed to do
> this,
> would you switch to it?
>
> MY View is all solutions out today were designed for one function; to be a
> print management system or a web to print solution. They then try to bolt
> together 2 systems that work well but do not meet current users need. No
> one
> has been able to make the 2 work fully and may never.
>
> Worse they all want to "own" their part of the pie and let others in but
> only on their terms. JDF promised to open all this and make that system
> fully work together. It has failed to do that as "open" has been a one way
> street. Each vendor wants in to the other end "open" but will not fully
> open
> theirs... Vista Print and others have made it work, it can and is being
> done.
>
> I guess what I am talking about is creating a whole new product. I am
> willing to invest $25-50,000 in start up money. I think if 10-15 others
> also
> did this we could pool $500,000 for the creation of this program. Hell I
> am
> sure I can find some programmers over sea's who are willing to tackle this
> for that. You bolt the VDP on, add, Jaws and the web end create the print
> shell on to a database program and you're done- simple <G>.
>
> I know at some point EFI will get it right, just at what cost and how long
> is the issue. If your web end or desktop management ends, what happens
> when
> your competition gets it right? I would think both sides should be forming
> partnerships that benefit both- real soon.
>
>
>
>
>
> John M. Henry
> Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
> 125-129 East First Street
> Oswego, New York 13126
> (315) 343-3531
> (315) 343-3577 Fax
> www.mpcny.com
> John@mpcny.com
>
>
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008
> 11:29 AM
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>


-- 
Thom Gulyas
ACE Printing & Mailing
Berlin, Maryland 21811
www.acepm.com
From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Sat Jan  5 09:25:14 2008
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan  5 09:25:30 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] web to print question
Message-ID: <be8.25c37f96.34b0ed4a@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 1/5/2008 9:02:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
acepm2@gmail.com writes:

I'll  second that! John Henry cannot edit the user manual!!

Thom  Gulyas



Actually, John confided to me one time that he has in fact been  writing and 
editing instruction manuals for various Chinese electronic and  furniture 
manufacturers for years. Why just this past weekend I was trying to  assemble a 
simple wooden nightstand, and it included numerous instructions  apparently 
written by John....
 
"Insirt longee woodie peece into shorter woodie peece and hold together and  
shovee metal screw into hole and turn with applicated allan wrensh until it be 
 very tight. Repeet coincidentally six times for the other five legs. If 
tabel  does not sit even, choppie a bit off longer legs until table is not wobbly 
much  anymore."
 
 
 
John  Stewart
The Quick Consultant
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
321-727-2442
FAX  321-727-2166
Cell: 321-794-6259
2110 S. Dairy Road 
West Melbourne, FL  32904

Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) 
by Larry  Hunt and myself.



**************Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.     
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
From mark at bkprint.com  Sat Jan  5 11:05:33 2008
From: mark at bkprint.com (Mark)
Date: Sat Jan  5 11:05:56 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need a great source for Bags and Boxes
Message-ID: <a06110400c3a55ac45d39@[192.168.1.97]>

We are in the Mid East USA and need a source for retail bags and 
boxes for a client. Can anyone help me? Small quantities 2m-10m
-- 
Mark Bell

B&K
Marketing | Design | Printing | Mailing
137 Citizens Boulevard
Simpsonville, Kentucky  40067

502.722.2260
866.884.9425
502.722.2261 fx
www.bkprint.com
From dominick at fmtc.com  Sat Jan  5 12:08:18 2008
From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing)
Date: Sat Jan  5 12:08:36 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Press Wash
Message-ID: <477FB982.40307@fmtc.com>

Does anybody have an Anchor dealer? We lost ours and need to reorder 
press wash.

We use Anchor 7665 Kwik Kleen-ALT, very low smell, and works great.

Thanks for the information you may have.


Joe Dominick, Owner

Dominick's Quality Printing, Inc.
542 W. Idaho Avenue
Ontario Oregon 97914
541.881.1121
Fax 541.881.1599

www.dominicksprinting.com
dominick@fmtc.com

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From inkyhand at gmail.com  Sat Jan  5 16:46:52 2008
From: inkyhand at gmail.com (Ron Livingston)
Date: Sat Jan  5 16:47:06 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Fax Machine
In-Reply-To: <477E7B3C.4080000@fmtc.com>
References: <003901c84efa$ed528d60$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <477E7B3C.4080000@fmtc.com>
Message-ID: <5c2107b30801051346u184746fap417296f5a9a0449e@mail.gmail.com>

We also have a Brother 2800 fax machine. Has worked flawlessly for several
years now. The toner & drum are separate so you do not have to replace a
drum every time the toner runs out.

Ron

On Jan 4, 2008 12:30 PM, Dominick's Printing <dominick@fmtc.com> wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Charlene,
> We use Brother 2800. Only $200 and if it dies, just get another. This
> one has lasted 2 years, averaging 200 faxes per month.
>
> Joe Dominick
>
>

-- 
Ron Livingston
Cornerstone Press
1228 Scyene, Suite 117
Mesquite, TX 75149
(972) 285-4670
From slb at inkspot.net  Sat Jan  5 22:07:33 2008
From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman)
Date: Sat Jan  5 22:08:03 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] How long should artwork files be saved?
In-Reply-To: <054501c84f16$b83f9a70$6900a8c0@DANIEL>
Message-ID: <477FFFA5.27286.20F588EF@slb.inkspot.net>

The original floppies were 8". They held 160K. Then they were 
improved to 320K.. I bought a bag of them at a yard sale a few years 
ago for a quarter, just to prove to my kids that they existed. I 
remember using them on an Intel microprocessor emulator, but even the 
first PCs had 5-1/4" floppies (originally 360K, then 1.2meg).

If anyone is desparate, we still have a couple of machines around 
that will read and write 5-1/4" floppies. If they've been sitting for 
long enough, though, they may not be readable. About 10 years ago, I 
copied any customers' files we had on floppies into our hard-disk 
typesetting archives, so they've been backed up since then. I also 
copied all of the old installation disks onto cds, just in case I 
have to reinstall, say, Pagemaker 5 or Wordperfect 6 <g>.

Needless to say, we've kept artwork files that we probably should 
have tossed, but they don't take much space, the space they occupy 
isn't really useful for much else, and we're occasionally able to 
pleasantly surprise an old customer.

Steve




> 
> We still have 1.2 meg floppies from before I was here, 12-14 years ago 
> maybe.  And we still have a least one computer that can read them if 
> necessary.  I'm afraid the old 5 1/4 in floppies are no longer around.  But 
> we still had a computer to read them maybe 4 or 5 years ago.  Anybody 
> remember the 12 inch floppies?  Or were they 9 inch?
> Hard copy paper files we keep for 5 years, but we really ought to weed them 
> out and use the storeage space for something more useful.  Hey that'd be a 
> good new years resolution wouldn't it, throw out the crap.
> 
> As soon as I get caught up. . .
> 
> Dan Huntingford
> SOS Printing
> 2319 Washington Street
> Port Townsend, WA 98368
> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF
> sos@olympus.net
> (360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860 
> 
> 
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Fax: 610-647-4560

From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Sun Jan  6 11:42:26 2008
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jan  6 11:44:13 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] IGen speed
Message-ID: <bca.1de70d16.34b25ef2@aol.com>

I am working feverishly on wrapping up 4C survey. I need the production  
speed for this machine for 8.5 x 11 CPM... does this machine still feed  portrait 
or is it landscape? Thanks for a quick answer.
 

John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)   

by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 

2110 S. Dairy  Road
West Melbourne, FL 32904
321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
Cell:  321-794-6259
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
"Winners  analyze, losers rationalize."



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From bherion at bucksdigital.com  Mon Jan  7 06:56:00 2008
From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion)
Date: Mon Jan  7 06:56:20 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: IGen speed
In-Reply-To: <20080106170002.734C5D5922C@rb.enter.net>
References: <20080106170002.734C5D5922C@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080107065140.033042c0@bucksdigital.com>

At 12:00 PM 1/6/2008, you wrote:
>I am working feverishly on wrapping up 4C survey. I need the production
>speed for this machine for 8.5 x 11 CPM... does this machine still 
>feed  portrait
>or is it landscape? Thanks for a quick answer.

John,
The press can feed either way. Rated speed is based on grip on 11".
iGen3 comes in variable speeds, now.
We are running at the fastest (not that it really makes a big 
difference) of 110 per minute.
Caveat is that is in a unique mode. I would use the 100 per minute as 
a standard rated speed.
Of course, in practical use with a good operator one should employ 
the 80/20 rule.
Hope that helps.


Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's
Bucks Digital Printing  v.215.579.4200    f.215-579-9510
90 Walker Lane  Newtown, PA 18940
www.bucksdigital.com

From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Mon Jan  7 07:00:18 2008
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan  7 07:00:43 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: IGen speed
Message-ID: <cf0.2688e466.34b36e52@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 1/7/2008 6:57:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
bherion@bucksdigital.com writes:

Caveat  is that is in a unique mode. I would use the 100 per minute as 
a standard  rated speed.
Of course, in practical use with a good operator one should  employ 
the 80/20 rule.
Hope that helps.




Thanks so much Bob.
 
John  Stewart
The Quick Consultant
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
321-727-2442
FAX  321-727-2166
Cell: 321-794-6259
2110 S. Dairy Road 
West Melbourne, FL  32904

Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) 
by Larry  Hunt and myself.



**************Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.     
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
From craig at newhavenprint.com  Mon Jan  7 07:31:02 2008
From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger)
Date: Mon Jan  7 07:28:12 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] IGen speed
In-Reply-To: <bca.1de70d16.34b25ef2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20080107122811.44B9CD5B2F2@rb.enter.net>

There are two models. The iGen3/90 and iGen3/110.  The majority of the
machines on the market are the 110. The 90 can easily be upgraded to the
same speed. You feed landscape up to 14.33", then you have to run portrait.
That means that 8.5x14 will also run at 110 cpm. Duplexing and/or heavy
weight stocks (up to 18pt.) run at the same speed. Zoom Zoom.

Craig Dellinger 
New Haven Print & Copy
7531 US 930 East
Fort Wayne, IN 46803
260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579
www.newhavenprint.com



> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org 
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of 
> QKCONSULT@aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:42 AM
> To: printowners@printweb.org
> Subject: [PrintOwners] IGen speed
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> I am working feverishly on wrapping up 4C survey. I need the 
> production speed for this machine for 8.5 x 11 CPM... does 
> this machine still feed  portrait or is it landscape? Thanks 
> for a quick answer.
>  
> 
> John  Stewart
> Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
> Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ 
> (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)   
> 
> by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 
> 
> 2110 S. Dairy  Road
> West Melbourne, FL 32904
> 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
> Cell:  321-794-6259
> _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
> "Winners  analyze, losers rationalize."
> 
> 
> 
> **************Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in 
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From richard at weprintcary.com  Mon Jan  7 07:52:01 2008
From: richard at weprintcary.com (Richard Cobb)
Date: Mon Jan  7 07:52:29 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Press Wash
In-Reply-To: <477FB982.40307@fmtc.com>
References: <477FB982.40307@fmtc.com>
Message-ID: <47822071.404@weprintcary.com>

It's my understanding from our graphics supplier that Anchor was bought 
out (Fuji, I think) and Anchor blanket wash is no longer available.

Richard Cobb
Allegra Print & Imaging
1155 Kildaire Farm Road
Cary, NC  27511
919-468-3334
fax 919-468-3880

The Future of Printing is Here

Helping Businesses Find Ways to Enhance the VALUE of Their
Print Communications!

Dominick's Printing wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> Does anybody have an Anchor dealer? We lost ours and need to reorder 
> press wash.
> 
> We use Anchor 7665 Kwik Kleen-ALT, very low smell, and works great.
> 
> Thanks for the information you may have.
> 
> 
> Joe Dominick, Owner
> 
> Dominick's Quality Printing, Inc.
> 542 W. Idaho Avenue
> Ontario Oregon 97914
> 541.881.1121
> Fax 541.881.1599
> 
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> 
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From jrobson at cnydigital.com  Mon Jan  7 11:14:58 2008
From: jrobson at cnydigital.com (Jon Robson)
Date: Mon Jan  7 11:15:41 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RB Sun Enterprises Business Card Slitter for sale
In-Reply-To: <20080104214851.DAAF6D5416E@rb.enter.net>
References: <20080104214851.DAAF6D5416E@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <004501c85148$732f3d30$598db790$@com>

Hi,
There has been a lot of discussion lately about in house business card
slitters. We have recently listed a business card slitter for sale. This is
the RB Sun top of the line slitter with both the 8 and 12 up slitter
cassettes and stand. If anyone is interested they can go to the link below
and check it out.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190188440490&ssPageName=A
DME:L:LCA:US:1123



Jon Robson
Auburn Document Centre
ADC Cellular and Satellite
74 Genesee St.
Auburn, NY, 13021
315-255-4664



From robin at protypeonline.com  Mon Jan  7 11:21:00 2008
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Mon Jan  7 11:21:19 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Website Text Size
Message-ID: <C9904F11-067E-4AC6-B72D-2189868D969D@protypeonline.com>

In the process of making some very minor changes to our website. I  
think the line length needs to be shorter (4" long max)
and the leading between lines needs to be increased -- I like 12pt  
type with 24pt. leading. Any thoughts on this? Rules of thumb?
I also advocate using a font for text with serifs -- like times or  
times roman.
????

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com



From smc at sorrentomesa.com  Mon Jan  7 12:04:52 2008
From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel)
Date: Mon Jan  7 12:09:28 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Website Text Size
In-Reply-To: <C9904F11-067E-4AC6-B72D-2189868D969D@protypeonline.com>
References: <C9904F11-067E-4AC6-B72D-2189868D969D@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <200801071708.m07H8xxu071450@i2bnetworks.com>


Web media and print media are very different. Since the typeface and 
point size is ultimately decided by the end user's browser and the 
preference settings in that browser, there are no absolutes like 
there is in print. I would suggest not using point sizes, but use the 
tags small, medium, or large, and the fonts tags must be designated 
as a set, like  Times, Goudy, serif .

If this makes no sense, your web designer will know what I'm talking about.

S.








At 08:21 AM 1/7/2008, you wrote:
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>In the process of making some very minor changes to our website. I
>think the line length needs to be shorter (4" long max)
>and the leading between lines needs to be increased -- I like 12pt
>type with 24pt. leading. Any thoughts on this? Rules of thumb?
>I also advocate using a font for text with serifs -- like times or
>times roman.
>????
>
>Robin Niewold
>Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
>130 N. Market Street
>Paxton, IL 60957
>217.379.4715
>robin@protypeonline.com
>
>
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From Azkwikkopy at aol.com  Mon Jan  7 12:23:02 2008
From: Azkwikkopy at aol.com (Azkwikkopy@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan  7 12:23:31 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Indesign to Excell
Message-ID: <cbf.1d549a13.34b3b9f6@aol.com>

Customer had us create a form in Indesign and now they want to enter data 
into the form.  Is it possible to convert an Indesign form to and Excell form?

Nick Allion 
Copy Right Printing
2406 S. 24th Street
Phoenix, Arizona 85034
v - 602-275-7255
f - 602-275-9711
c - 602-882-9681
e - copyrightaz@aol.com

Pledge
Your Copy will be Right, look great and be on time, the first time.





**************
Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.
     
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From andy at CedarBusinessCenter.com  Mon Jan  7 15:44:34 2008
From: andy at CedarBusinessCenter.com (Andy Flamm)
Date: Mon Jan  7 15:44:59 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need a great source for Bags and Boxes
In-Reply-To: <a06110400c3a55ac45d39@192.168.1.97>
References: <a06110400c3a55ac45d39@192.168.1.97>
Message-ID: <e413ceeb0801071244j76af210fx4da4182a36461969@mail.gmail.com>

Uline (uline.com) has a large selection of blank boxes and bags. I don't
have a recommendation for printed boxes and bags.

Andy Flamm

On Jan 5, 2008 10:05 AM, Mark <mark@bkprint.com> wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> We are in the Mid East USA and need a source for retail bags and
> boxes for a client. Can anyone help me? Small quantities 2m-10m
> --
> Mark Bell
>
> B&K
> Marketing | Design | Printing | Mailing
> 137 Citizens Boulevard
> Simpsonville, Kentucky  40067
>
> 502.722.2260
> 866.884.9425
> 502.722.2261 fx
> www.bkprint.com
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345 Cedar Street, Suite 256
Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101

651-293-3904 voice
651-293-3905 fax

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www.CedarBusinessCenter.com
From stumarty at wrightprinting.com  Mon Jan  7 16:39:37 2008
From: stumarty at wrightprinting.com (Stu)
Date: Mon Jan  7 16:48:23 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Website Text Size
In-Reply-To: <C9904F11-067E-4AC6-B72D-2189868D969D@protypeonline.com>
References: <C9904F11-067E-4AC6-B72D-2189868D969D@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <p06240801c3a8497e8a96@[192.168.1.106]>


On or about 10:21 AM -0600 1/7/08, Robin Niewold emailed the following:

>I like 12pt type with 24pt. leading. Any thoughts on this? Rules of thumb?

The "old" rule of thumb for ink on paper was 25 or less characters of 
type to a line with leading being at a minimum of 120% of type 
height. This seemed to be the ideal to allow the eyes to read at a 
quick comfortable speed, and find their place as they return to the 
left margin.

This sort of research used to be a passion for me. I gave a couple 
talks on readability (mumble-something years ago), mostly related to 
the advertising medium, but some of that was based on readability 
studies conducted by magazines and newspapers on their editorial as 
well. Lots of rules, including the effects of color, typefaces, etc. 
that cause me to cringe today, as I stumble through this world wide 
web.

I would guess that there are newer studies for text read on a 
monitor. If anyone knows about them, I would love to see them.

  -just old stu-
-- 

===============
SETTING IT WRIGHT:
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- - - - - - - - -
David Rice Atchison was the twelfth president of the United States.
No, really! He really was...honest!
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
- - - - - - - - -
Wright Printing Co.  -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop.
203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409  Fax 452-7422
Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu)
mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com
From jgross at techiowa.com  Mon Jan  7 15:52:33 2008
From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross)
Date: Mon Jan  7 17:16:09 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:New Year somewhat off!
In-Reply-To: <006701c84251$bf9757d0$6401a8c0@corapurvine>
Message-ID: <00dd01c8516f$3d8846a0$6900000a@tech.local>


Best wishes to all for a prosperous new year

Iowa has spoken and we now have a bit more peace and quiet with lots
less pieces in the mailbox every day.  I sure wish I had printed or
mailed some of that, but without a union bug the democrats won't touch
me.  Let's see what happens in New Hampshire tomorrow.  Is anyone on the
list coming up soon in this contest?

Someone earlier mentioned a site that would take photos and convert to
paintings at a very reasonable price.  I spent $95 for a painting of my
granddaughter for a Christmas present for my wife.  After wrestling with
DHL for a few days we got it and love it.  I'll post a link once it is
framed.  Thank you to whoever discovered it and passed that on.

John A. Gross
Technigraphics, Inc
Iowa City, Iowa


From slb at inkspot.net  Mon Jan  7 17:42:12 2008
From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman)
Date: Mon Jan  7 17:42:40 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:New Year somewhat off!
In-Reply-To: <00dd01c8516f$3d8846a0$6900000a@tech.local>
References: <006701c84251$bf9757d0$6401a8c0@corapurvine>
Message-ID: <47826474.12884.1B8283A@slb.inkspot.net>

Around here, for the county races, even the Republicans have been 
printing with union bugs. At one level, it's annoying, since there 
are no union printers in our county. At another level, it's kept us 
out of the "uncollectible loser" problems.

Steve


> 
> 
> Best wishes to all for a prosperous new year
> 
> Iowa has spoken and we now have a bit more peace and quiet with lots
> less pieces in the mailbox every day.  I sure wish I had printed or
> mailed some of that, but without a union bug the democrats won't touch
> me.  Let's see what happens in New Hampshire tomorrow.  Is anyone on the
> list coming up soon in this contest?
> 
> Someone earlier mentioned a site that would take photos and convert to
> paintings at a very reasonable price.  I spent $95 for a painting of my
> granddaughter for a Christmas present for my wife.  After wrestling with
> DHL for a few days we got it and love it.  I'll post a link once it is
> framed.  Thank you to whoever discovered it and passed that on.
> 
> John A. Gross
> Technigraphics, Inc
> Iowa City, Iowa
> 
> 
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Fax: 610-647-4560

From printer at ptialaska.net  Mon Jan  7 18:05:44 2008
From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln)
Date: Mon Jan  7 18:06:00 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:New Year somewhat off!
In-Reply-To: <00dd01c8516f$3d8846a0$6900000a@tech.local>
References: <00dd01c8516f$3d8846a0$6900000a@tech.local>
Message-ID: <206A4195-9CBF-4693-B890-4E749AAA67EB@ptialaska.net>


On Jan 7, 2008, at 11:52 AM, John Gross wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>
> Best wishes to all for a prosperous new year
>
> Iowa has spoken and we now have a bit more peace and quiet with lots
> less pieces in the mailbox every day.  I sure wish I had printed or
> mailed some of that, but without a union bug the democrats won't touch
> me.


REPLY:
Yes, but the republicans will, and it appears there are more  
republicans in your area.

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

Charles Lincoln
ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
612 30th Avenue
Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
(907) 451-1111
fax (907) 451-4511

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com  Mon Jan  7 18:05:35 2008
From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton)
Date: Mon Jan  7 18:07:43 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:Was New Year somewhat off! Now Political
	Printing Getting Paid
In-Reply-To: <47826474.12884.1B8283A@slb.inkspot.net>
Message-ID: <038701c85181$cfe0daf0$f901a8c0@MitchDell>

We did quite a bit of printing many years ago for one of the presidential
candidates running for office, and the person ordering the printing was a
fairly good acquaintance.

Like usual we were having problems getting paid. He said that if you don't
have your money within a couple of days of the election, call and threaten
the campaign manager that you would go public with a news release stating
that the candidate would not pay his bill . . . Sure enough they didn't have
all the bills paid prior to the election, we made the phone call to the
campaign manager, the next day Federal Express showed up with a check for
all the outstanding invoices.

I don't know if it still works or not, but it worked that year. No candidate
wants any negative publicity days before an election . . . they'll jump over
backwards to make sure it doesn't happen.

I wish I had known that trick when we did some printing for the John Glenn
campaign . . . we eventually got paid, but it took 10 or 12 years.

FWIW

Mitch Eaton
The Printing Station
1420 Locust Street
Des Moines, IA 50309
515-243-8144
866-866-7414
Fax 515-243-6540
mitch.eaton@printingstation.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 4:42 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] RE:New Year somewhat off!

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Around here, for the county races, even the Republicans have been 
printing with union bugs. At one level, it's annoying, since there 
are no union printers in our county. At another level, it's kept us 
out of the "uncollectible loser" problems.

Steve


> 
> 
> Best wishes to all for a prosperous new year
> 
> Iowa has spoken and we now have a bit more peace and quiet with lots
> less pieces in the mailbox every day.  I sure wish I had printed or
> mailed some of that, but without a union bug the democrats won't touch
> me.  Let's see what happens in New Hampshire tomorrow.  Is anyone on the
> list coming up soon in this contest?
> 
> Someone earlier mentioned a site that would take photos and convert to
> paintings at a very reasonable price.  I spent $95 for a painting of my
> granddaughter for a Christmas present for my wife.  After wrestling with
> DHL for a few days we got it and love it.  I'll post a link once it is
> framed.  Thank you to whoever discovered it and passed that on.
> 
> John A. Gross
> Technigraphics, Inc
> Iowa City, Iowa
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
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From jgross at techiowa.com  Mon Jan  7 22:34:56 2008
From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross)
Date: Mon Jan  7 22:36:15 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:Was New Year somewhat off! Now PoliticalPrinting
	Getting Paid
References: <038701c85181$cfe0daf0$f901a8c0@MitchDell>
Message-ID: <000801c851a7$70d73740$0201a8c0@JGrossLaptop>

I only do political printing for cash or a signed personal guarantee.
The media only works for cash.

John Gross

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mitch Eaton" <mitch.eaton@printingstation.com>
To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 5:05 PM
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] RE:Was New Year somewhat off! Now 
PoliticalPrinting Getting Paid


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

We did quite a bit of printing many years ago for one of the presidential
candidates running for office, and the person ordering the printing was a
fairly good acquaintance.

Like usual we were having problems getting paid. He said that if you don't
have your money within a couple of days of the election, call and threaten
the campaign manager that you would go public with a news release stating
that the candidate would not pay his bill . . . Sure enough they didn't have
all the bills paid prior to the election, we made the phone call to the
campaign manager, the next day Federal Express showed up with a check for
all the outstanding invoices.

I don't know if it still works or not, but it worked that year. No candidate
wants any negative publicity days before an election . . . they'll jump over
backwards to make sure it doesn't happen.

I wish I had known that trick when we did some printing for the John Glenn
campaign . . . we eventually got paid, but it took 10 or 12 years.

FWIW

Mitch Eaton
The Printing Station
1420 Locust Street
Des Moines, IA 50309
515-243-8144
866-866-7414
Fax 515-243-6540
mitch.eaton@printingstation.com

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[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 4:42 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] RE:New Year somewhat off!

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Around here, for the county races, even the Republicans have been
printing with union bugs. At one level, it's annoying, since there
are no union printers in our county. At another level, it's kept us
out of the "uncollectible loser" problems.

Steve


>
>
> Best wishes to all for a prosperous new year
>
> Iowa has spoken and we now have a bit more peace and quiet with lots
> less pieces in the mailbox every day.  I sure wish I had printed or
> mailed some of that, but without a union bug the democrats won't touch
> me.  Let's see what happens in New Hampshire tomorrow.  Is anyone on the
> list coming up soon in this contest?
>
> Someone earlier mentioned a site that would take photos and convert to
> paintings at a very reasonable price.  I spent $95 for a painting of my
> granddaughter for a Christmas present for my wife.  After wrestling with
> DHL for a few days we got it and love it.  I'll post a link once it is
> framed.  Thank you to whoever discovered it and passed that on.
>
> John A. Gross
> Technigraphics, Inc
> Iowa City, Iowa
>
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From braddpotter at juno.com  Tue Jan  8 01:52:51 2008
From: braddpotter at juno.com (Brad Potter)
Date: Tue Jan  8 01:53:52 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Getting paid... 12 years later? 
Message-ID: <20080107.225251.11601.2@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>

  How do you deal with an asset that is 12 years old?  I have one big one that is 3 years old, and I think I will get paid... (long story)   But from an accounting standpoint, at some time you have to get it off the books strickly for clarity of real money versus maybe money.  How do you track it? Write it off, and then set up a bogus collection agency to send bills.  HEY what an idea! 
??
brad
 
 
 
 
I don't know if it still works or not, but it worked that year. No candidate
wants any negative publicity days before an election . . . they'll jump over
backwards to make sure it doesn't happen.

I wish I had known that trick when we did some printing for the John Glenn
campaign . . . we eventually got paid, but it took 10 or 12 years.

FWIW

Mitch Eaton



Brad Potter
Your Printing Super Hero
3480 SE Bethel, Suite A
Port Orchard, WA 98366
360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax 

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From ron at printingconcepts.com  Tue Jan  8 09:59:18 2008
From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart)
Date: Tue Jan  8 09:53:28 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] STAPLES FOR BIZHUB KM 1050 AND C6500
Message-ID: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHKECBJNAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>

We have a Black & White KM 1050 and it seems the staples for this thing are
very expensive.  We absolutely love the booklet maker, this thing will
actually do a 200 page book (looks kind of horsey, but still it will do it).
But for numbers after 2500 QTY of an 8 pager it starts to make sense to move
this to our Duplo just for the cost of the staples.

Anyone have a better price or source for these things?  The saddle stitch
staples are Prod# 14YH, $120 for 15,000 and the corner stitch staples are
Prod # 14YJ $179 for 15,000.




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Ron Taggart, President
PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC.
4246 Hudson Drive
Stow, Ohio  44224
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From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net  Tue Jan  8 10:42:45 2008
From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis)
Date: Tue Jan  8 10:43:12 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] STAPLES FOR BIZHUB KM 1050 AND C6500
In-Reply-To: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHKECBJNAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>
References: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHKECBJNAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>
Message-ID: <64F28E9B-540D-4DCA-9A11-2A41CC78C798@bellsouth.net>

Ron,

We use generic staples for our Canon 105 & 8500 as the cost of the  
Canon staples was much higher.

We get these through Coastal Business Supplies. They should have  
staples that will work for your machine. Call Tracy at 800-562-7760  
and tell her I referred you.

They had a very good price and the staples run great.

Ben Travis

Copy Express
4004-A South Blvd.
Charlotte, NC 20209
cpyxpres@bellsouth.net
704-527-1750




On Jan 8, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Ron Taggart wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> We have a Black & White KM 1050 and it seems the staples for this  
> thing are
> very expensive.  We absolutely love the booklet maker, this thing will
> actually do a 200 page book (looks kind of horsey, but still it  
> will do it).
> But for numbers after 2500 QTY of an 8 pager it starts to make  
> sense to move
> this to our Duplo just for the cost of the staples.
>
> Anyone have a better price or source for these things?  The saddle  
> stitch
> staples are Prod# 14YH, $120 for 15,000 and the corner stitch  
> staples are
> Prod # 14YJ $179 for 15,000.
>
>
>
>
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> If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you;  But  
> if you
> really make them think, they'll hate you.  --Don Marquis
>
> People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset  
> Maugham
>
> The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego
> ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering  
> with the
> pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell
>
>
>
>
> Ron Taggart, President
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> 4246 Hudson Drive
> Stow, Ohio  44224
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From barry at wolfprinting.com  Tue Jan  8 10:53:26 2008
From: barry at wolfprinting.com (Barry Wolf)
Date: Tue Jan  8 10:53:48 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] STAPLES FOR BIZHUB KM 1050 AND C6500
In-Reply-To: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHKECBJNAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c8520e$9c0481e0$9000a8c0@wolf1>

Try Coastal Business Supplies 800-562-7760. We have found them to be better
on Cannon supplies.
Regards,

Barry V. Wolf
Wolf Printing, LLC
1200 Haines Road
York, PA 17402
717-755-1560
717-840-0496 FAX
barry@wolfprinting.com


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Ron Taggart
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:59 AM
To: printowners
Subject: [PrintOwners] STAPLES FOR BIZHUB KM 1050 AND C6500


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

We have a Black & White KM 1050 and it seems the staples for this thing are
very expensive.  We absolutely love the booklet maker, this thing will
actually do a 200 page book (looks kind of horsey, but still it will do it).
But for numbers after 2500 QTY of an 8 pager it starts to make sense to move
this to our Duplo just for the cost of the staples.

Anyone have a better price or source for these things?  The saddle stitch
staples are Prod# 14YH, $120 for 15,000 and the corner stitch staples are
Prod # 14YJ $179 for 15,000.




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should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a
statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general
edification of this writer's friends and correspondents.

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really make them think, they'll hate you.  --Don Marquis

People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham

The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego
ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the
pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell




Ron Taggart, President
PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC.
4246 Hudson Drive
Stow, Ohio  44224
330-572-8200  fax. 330-572-8201
www.printingconcepts.com
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From ppiinc7 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  8 11:32:25 2008
From: ppiinc7 at gmail.com (John Steffes)
Date: Tue Jan  8 11:32:37 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Source For 250,000 4/0 Numbered Valet Tickets
Message-ID: <a5714d730801080832q57456479i824367c77d434df7@mail.gmail.com>

Any suggestions?

-- 
John Steffes
Printing Plus
Delray Beach, FL
From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com  Tue Jan  8 12:13:39 2008
From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake)
Date: Tue Jan  8 12:15:20 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] STAPLES FOR BIZHUB KM 1050 AND C6500
In-Reply-To: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHKECBJNAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>
References: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHKECBJNAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAACc110CcE5VBnBFyjhgyUCcBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>

When I had a Canon ir8500 I started getting staples from Coastal but one
time when Canon or IKON (service was through IKON but a Canon machine so I
don't remember which it was) called to see if I needed supplies, I told them
they were too expensive. Immediately, the person who called me dropped their
price about 33% which put them very close to Coastal's price. 

Mark Lake
PIP Printing
368 Jefferson Street
Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235
920.743.7370     920.743.4633 Fax
www.pipsturgeonbay.com      
Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com
 
To send a file to us, please use the link below
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Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 8:59 AM
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Subject: [PrintOwners] STAPLES FOR BIZHUB KM 1050 AND C6500

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Anyone have a better price or source for these things?





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From acepm2 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  8 12:18:29 2008
From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas)
Date: Tue Jan  8 12:18:51 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Source For 250,000 4/0 Numbered Valet Tickets
In-Reply-To: <a5714d730801080832q57456479i824367c77d434df7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a5714d730801080832q57456479i824367c77d434df7@mail.gmail.com>
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Google "GLOBE TICKET COMPANY"

Thom Gulyas
ACE Printing & Mailing
www.acepm.com




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> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
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> Any suggestions?
>
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From rmeier at goinsty.com  Tue Jan  8 12:47:14 2008
From: rmeier at goinsty.com (R. Meier)
Date: Tue Jan  8 12:47:31 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Test
In-Reply-To: <a06110400c3a55ac45d39@[192.168.1.97]>
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Test

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From brianoday at eprint.us  Tue Jan  8 13:20:11 2008
From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day)
Date: Tue Jan  8 13:22:37 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Indesign to Excel
In-Reply-To: <cbf.1d549a13.34b3b9f6@aol.com>
References: <cbf.1d549a13.34b3b9f6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00a001c85223$1b44b600$800101df@eprint.local>

You can populate your Indesign form from excel. You would create a comma
delimited file in excel then use the data merge function to populate your
form. 

Brian O'Day
ePrint
9970 SW Greenburg Rd
Portland, Oregon
brianoday@eprint.us
503-684-2679 

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From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Azkwikkopy@aol.com
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 9:23 AM
To: PRINTOWNERS@PRINTWEB.ORG
Subject: [PrintOwners] Indesign to Excell

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Customer had us create a form in Indesign and now they want to enter data 
into the form.  Is it possible to convert an Indesign form to and Excell
form?

Nick Allion 
Copy Right Printing
2406 S. 24th Street
Phoenix, Arizona 85034
v - 602-275-7255
f - 602-275-9711
c - 602-882-9681
e - copyrightaz@aol.com

Pledge
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From robin at protypeonline.com  Tue Jan  8 13:48:45 2008
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Tue Jan  8 13:49:02 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Table Top Tabber - For Sale
Message-ID: <56055450-A52F-45C6-B0FD-F3F5025B459D@protypeonline.com>

I purchased a table top tabber last year from Franklin  
Marketplace(.com )for $495. Model is QT-20. Works okay but we didn't  
have it 6 months before we were doing wwwaaayyyy tooooo much tabbing  
to use this thing. If you can use it, make me an offer! Datatech 1012  
is on its way and we can't wait!
Company contact info.
Kirk Johnson
Minneapolis, MN
612-871-6628
kirkjohnson@franklinmarketplace.com

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com



From info at desktopsxm.com  Tue Jan  8 14:13:57 2008
From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint)
Date: Tue Jan  8 14:13:34 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] thermography card
In-Reply-To: <4783B722.40304@goinsty.com>
References: <a06110400c3a55ac45d39@[192.168.1.97]> <4783B722.40304@goinsty.com>
Message-ID: <C5B207FD-F241-4E74-B3E5-84043CE104E3@desktopsxm.com>

I need to get a thermographic card done.
We will supply artwork.
It is black and gold on a white card.

Can anybody on the list do it or tell me where I can get it done as  
close to Miami as possible.

Joel


Joel Brint
Desktop Imaging
St. Maarten
Tel 542-4044
fax 543-1100

"The Printshop with a Difference"


From mail at myprinter.biz  Tue Jan  8 15:26:10 2008
From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz)
Date: Tue Jan  8 15:26:57 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] thermography card
In-Reply-To: <C5B207FD-F241-4E74-B3E5-84043CE104E3@desktopsxm.com>
Message-ID: <BEEIIPIOGLPLKIAABOLAOEHOFDAA.mail@myprinter.biz>

Joel -

This could be done with any of several Ft. Lauderdale vendors with which we
do business (along with another in Miami that we don't use), and we'll be
happy to help you by either referring you to them or, if needed, putting the
order in for you through our system.

Give me a call or email me.

Dan
Sir Speedy Printing Center
5845 Hollywood Boulevard
Hollywood, FL 33021
tel. 954.962.1309
fax 954.962.1366
dan@myprinter.biz
www.myprinter.biz



-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Joel Brint
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:14 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] thermography card


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I need to get a thermographic card done.
We will supply artwork.
It is black and gold on a white card.

Can anybody on the list do it or tell me where I can get it done as
close to Miami as possible.

Joel


Joel Brint
Desktop Imaging
St. Maarten
Tel 542-4044
fax 543-1100

"The Printshop with a Difference"


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From Envelopro at aol.com  Tue Jan  8 15:45:45 2008
From: Envelopro at aol.com (Envelopro@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan  8 15:46:11 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Thermography card Source
Message-ID: <cc2.21f1656a.34b53af9@aol.com>

We do in-house Thermography!
How many lots?
80 # white cover OK?
Black and PMS 871 Gold?
We are very Fast, when would you need it? 
Let me know.
Thanks :)
Bill Higgins
President/CEO
Envelopes & Printed Products, Inc.
135 Fairview Avenue
Prospect Park, NJ 07508
Phone: (973) 942-1232
Fax: (973) 942-5626
www.envelopesandprintedproducts.com


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From slb at inkspot.net  Tue Jan  8 15:52:38 2008
From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman)
Date: Tue Jan  8 15:52:50 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] thermography card
In-Reply-To: <C5B207FD-F241-4E74-B3E5-84043CE104E3@desktopsxm.com>
References: <4783B722.40304@goinsty.com>
Message-ID: <47839C46.7352.67A32AD@slb.inkspot.net>

I'd send that to our local BCE, because they do gold as a standard 
color. Is there a BCE in south Florida? If not, I can recommend one 
in New Jeresy.....

Steve


> 
> I need to get a thermographic card done.
> We will supply artwork.
> It is black and gold on a white card.
> 
> Can anybody on the list do it or tell me where I can get it done as  
> close to Miami as possible.
> 
> Joel
> 
> 
> Joel Brint
> Desktop Imaging
> St. Maarten
> Tel 542-4044
> fax 543-1100
> 
> "The Printshop with a Difference"
> 
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From prtquick at eos.net  Tue Jan  8 16:04:54 2008
From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke)
Date: Tue Jan  8 16:04:11 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] gloss coating on digital labels
In-Reply-To: <4783B722.40304@goinsty.com>
References: <a06110400c3a55ac45d39@[192.168.1.97]> <4783B722.40304@goinsty.com>
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I have a customer who gets color labels printed to affix onto  
plaques. He is a trophy shop.

I have done several runs of full color large labels for him (fairly  
big, like 8x10, 5x7) These runs are often too small for his to get  
them printed at a label printer.

I run them on my Kyocera color printer (like a small BizHub) but he  
is not happy with the matte finish the toner gives to the labels.  
Even on glossy label stock, it still has a dull finish.

I have tried varnishing them today, but it does not really help -  
anyone know of a give these a glossy finish?

I could probably get to do more of these if I can make them shinier!


Thanks!

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From bob at quickerprinter.com  Tue Jan  8 16:33:15 2008
From: bob at quickerprinter.com (R Lavarnway)
Date: Tue Jan  8 16:33:38 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] gloss coating on digital labels
References: <a06110400c3a55ac45d39@[192.168.1.97]> <4783B722.40304@goinsty.com>
	<875D0907-B9E4-4232-896F-D6827A1CAE07@eos.net>
Message-ID: <000801c8523e$15b98970$6701a8c0@pc3>

We do these all the time.  Just laminate with self-adhesive lamination 
available from USI.


hth

Bob LaVarnway
QP Printing & Mailing
Elmira, Ny 14901
607-734-8955


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Finke" <prtquick@eos.net>
To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 4:04 PM
Subject: [PrintOwners] gloss coating on digital labels


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I have a customer who gets color labels printed to affix onto  plaques. He 
> is a trophy shop.
>
> I have done several runs of full color large labels for him (fairly  big, 
> like 8x10, 5x7) These runs are often too small for his to get  them 
> printed at a label printer.
>
> I run them on my Kyocera color printer (like a small BizHub) but he  is 
> not happy with the matte finish the toner gives to the labels.  Even on 
> glossy label stock, it still has a dull finish.
>
> I have tried varnishing them today, but it does not really help -  anyone 
> know of a give these a glossy finish?
>
> I could probably get to do more of these if I can make them shinier!
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Scott Finke
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Visit our new location!
>
> Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc.
> 8630 Winton Road
> Cincinnati, Ohio 45231
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Phone: (513) 522.2679
> Fax (513) 522.2692
> Email: info@brentwood-printing.com
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> www.Brentwood-Printing.com
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Send us your file at:
> http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Quick. Quality. Printing
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> 

From tammie at macombprinter.com  Tue Jan  8 16:41:13 2008
From: tammie at macombprinter.com (Tammie at Quick Print & Signs)
Date: Tue Jan  8 16:41:56 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Table Top Tabber - For Sale
In-Reply-To: <56055450-A52F-45C6-B0FD-F3F5025B459D@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <C3A94A19.1AEA8%tammie@macombprinter.com>

We have this same machine. We can do about 1,000-1,200 in an hour. This is a
great way to get into tabbing. For larger jobs, we take the job to a larger
printer, but if we have someone that has time to do the work, we will do
what we can in-house.

The tabs are clear and perforated.

Tammie


Tammie Speer
----------------------------------
Tammie@MacombPrinter.com

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  QUICK PRINT & SIGNS
__________________________________
1120 East Jackson Street
Macomb, IL 61455
309.833.5250--fax 833.3123
http://www.macombprinter.com
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Robin Niewold stated

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> I purchased a table top tabber last year from Franklin
> Marketplace(.com )for $495. Model is QT-20. Works okay but we didn't
> have it 6 months before we were doing wwwaaayyyy tooooo much tabbing
> to use this thing. If you can use it, make me an offer! Datatech 1012
> is on its way and we can't wait!
> Company contact info.
> Kirk Johnson
> Minneapolis, MN
> 612-871-6628
> kirkjohnson@franklinmarketplace.com
> 
> Robin Niewold
> Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
> 130 N. Market Street
> Paxton, IL 60957
> 217.379.4715
> robin@protypeonline.com
> 
> 
> 
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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From prtquick at eos.net  Tue Jan  8 16:43:57 2008
From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke)
Date: Tue Jan  8 16:42:57 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] gloss coating on digital labels
In-Reply-To: <000801c8523e$15b98970$6701a8c0@pc3>
References: <a06110400c3a55ac45d39@[192.168.1.97]> <4783B722.40304@goinsty.com>
	<875D0907-B9E4-4232-896F-D6827A1CAE07@eos.net>
	<000801c8523e$15b98970$6701a8c0@pc3>
Message-ID: <9DB904C0-D0E5-4AE2-ACE3-A2630B5F42A5@eos.net>

What if we have to a bunch, like 500/1000? Is this pretty quick?

On Jan 8, 2008, at 4:33 PM, R Lavarnway wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> We do these all the time.  Just laminate with self-adhesive  
> lamination available from USI.
>
>
> hth
>
> Bob LaVarnway
> QP Printing & Mailing
> Elmira, Ny 14901
> 607-734-8955
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Finke" <prtquick@eos.net>
> To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only"  
> <printowners@printweb.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 4:04 PM
> Subject: [PrintOwners] gloss coating on digital labels
>
>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> I have a customer who gets color labels printed to affix onto   
>> plaques. He is a trophy shop.
>>
>> I have done several runs of full color large labels for him  
>> (fairly  big, like 8x10, 5x7) These runs are often too small for  
>> his to get  them printed at a label printer.
>>
>> I run them on my Kyocera color printer (like a small BizHub) but  
>> he  is not happy with the matte finish the toner gives to the  
>> labels.  Even on glossy label stock, it still has a dull finish.
>>
>> I have tried varnishing them today, but it does not really help -   
>> anyone know of a give these a glossy finish?
>>
>> I could probably get to do more of these if I can make them shinier!
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Scott Finke
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> Visit our new location!
>>
>> Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc.
>> 8630 Winton Road
>> Cincinnati, Ohio 45231
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> Phone: (513) 522.2679
>> Fax (513) 522.2692
>> Email: info@brentwood-printing.com
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> www.Brentwood-Printing.com
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> Send us your file at:
>> http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> Quick. Quality. Printing
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> PrintOwners Discussion List
>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
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From bob at quickerprinter.com  Tue Jan  8 17:10:39 2008
From: bob at quickerprinter.com (R Lavarnway)
Date: Tue Jan  8 17:10:57 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] gloss coating on digital labels
References: <a06110400c3a55ac45d39@[192.168.1.97]>
	<4783B722.40304@goinsty.com><875D0907-B9E4-4232-896F-D6827A1CAE07@eos.net><000801c8523e$15b98970$6701a8c0@pc3>
	<9DB904C0-D0E5-4AE2-ACE3-A2630B5F42A5@eos.net>
Message-ID: <001d01c85243$4ec997a0$6701a8c0@pc3>

We have a couple of customers we do these for.  Average order size is 15 to 
50 pieces.  For 500 to 1000 it would depend on your laminating equipment, I 
would look at Discount Labels or a similar provider at those quantities. 
But for small quantities, the self adhesive lamination is a quick, easy 
solution.

Bob

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Finke" <prtquick@eos.net>
To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] gloss coating on digital labels


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> What if we have to a bunch, like 500/1000? Is this pretty quick?
>
> On Jan 8, 2008, at 4:33 PM, R Lavarnway wrote:
>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> We do these all the time.  Just laminate with self-adhesive  lamination 
>> available from USI.
>>
>>
>> hth
>>
>> Bob LaVarnway
>> QP Printing & Mailing
>> Elmira, Ny 14901
>> 607-734-8955
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Finke" <prtquick@eos.net>
>> To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" 
>> <printowners@printweb.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 4:04 PM
>> Subject: [PrintOwners] gloss coating on digital labels
>>
>>
>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>>
>>> I have a customer who gets color labels printed to affix onto   plaques. 
>>> He is a trophy shop.
>>>
>>> I have done several runs of full color large labels for him  (fairly 
>>> big, like 8x10, 5x7) These runs are often too small for  his to get 
>>> them printed at a label printer.
>>>
>>> I run them on my Kyocera color printer (like a small BizHub) but  he  is 
>>> not happy with the matte finish the toner gives to the  labels.  Even on 
>>> glossy label stock, it still has a dull finish.
>>>
>>> I have tried varnishing them today, but it does not really help - 
>>> anyone know of a give these a glossy finish?
>>>
>>> I could probably get to do more of these if I can make them shinier!
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Scott Finke
>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>> Visit our new location!
>>>
>>> Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc.
>>> 8630 Winton Road
>>> Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 

From info at desktopsxm.com  Tue Jan  8 17:43:24 2008
From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint)
Date: Tue Jan  8 17:42:53 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] thermography card
In-Reply-To: <47839C46.7352.67A32AD@slb.inkspot.net>
References: <4783B722.40304@goinsty.com>
	<47839C46.7352.67A32AD@slb.inkspot.net>
Message-ID: <456A98D2-642B-49F7-AC5E-B115162FDB3D@desktopsxm.com>

Is BCE also BCT?


Joel Brint
Desktop Imaging
St. Maarten
Tel 542-4044
fax 543-1100

"The Printshop with a Difference"



On Jan 8, 2008, at 4:52 PM, Steve Blatman wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I'd send that to our local BCE, because they do gold as a standard
> color. Is there a BCE in south Florida? If not, I can recommend one
> in New Jeresy.....
>
> Steve
>
>
>>
>> I need to get a thermographic card done.
>> We will supply artwork.
>> It is black and gold on a white card.
>>
>> Can anybody on the list do it or tell me where I can get it done as
>> close to Miami as possible.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>>
>> Joel Brint
>> Desktop Imaging
>> St. Maarten
>> Tel 542-4044
>> fax 543-1100
>>
>> "The Printshop with a Difference"
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
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>>
>>
>
> Steve Blatman
> Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
> 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
> Tel: 610-647-0776
> Fax: 610-647-4560
>
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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>

From prtquick at eos.net  Tue Jan  8 17:44:14 2008
From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke)
Date: Tue Jan  8 17:43:12 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] gloss coating on digital labels
In-Reply-To: <9DB904C0-D0E5-4AE2-ACE3-A2630B5F42A5@eos.net>
References: <a06110400c3a55ac45d39@[192.168.1.97]> <4783B722.40304@goinsty.com>
	<875D0907-B9E4-4232-896F-D6827A1CAE07@eos.net>
	<000801c8523e$15b98970$6701a8c0@pc3>
	<9DB904C0-D0E5-4AE2-ACE3-A2630B5F42A5@eos.net>
Message-ID: <017AB54D-CEAA-4D65-A22B-9D9F7BBAA3ED@eos.net>

Has anyone had any luck applying some kind of varnish or press coating?

Thanks!

Scott Finke
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Visit our new location!

Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc.
8630 Winton Road
Cincinnati, Ohio 45231
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Phone: (513) 522.2679
Fax (513) 522.2692
Email: info@brentwood-printing.com
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
www.Brentwood-Printing.com
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Send us your file at:
http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Quick. Quality. Printing

On Jan 8, 2008, at 4:43 PM, Scott Finke wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> What if we have to a bunch, like 500/1000? Is this pretty quick?
>
> On Jan 8, 2008, at 4:33 PM, R Lavarnway wrote:
>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> We do these all the time.  Just laminate with self-adhesive  
>> lamination available from USI.
>>
>>
>> hth
>>
>> Bob LaVarnway
>> QP Printing & Mailing
>> Elmira, Ny 14901
>> 607-734-8955
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Finke" <prtquick@eos.net>
>> To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only"  
>> <printowners@printweb.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 4:04 PM
>> Subject: [PrintOwners] gloss coating on digital labels
>>
>>
>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>>
>>> I have a customer who gets color labels printed to affix onto   
>>> plaques. He is a trophy shop.
>>>
>>> I have done several runs of full color large labels for him  
>>> (fairly  big, like 8x10, 5x7) These runs are often too small for  
>>> his to get  them printed at a label printer.
>>>
>>> I run them on my Kyocera color printer (like a small BizHub) but  
>>> he  is not happy with the matte finish the toner gives to the  
>>> labels.  Even on glossy label stock, it still has a dull finish.
>>>
>>> I have tried varnishing them today, but it does not really help  
>>> -  anyone know of a give these a glossy finish?
>>>
>>> I could probably get to do more of these if I can make them shinier!
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Scott Finke
>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>> Visit our new location!
>>>
>>> Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc.
>>> 8630 Winton Road
>>> Cincinnati, Ohio 45231
>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>> Phone: (513) 522.2679
>>> Fax (513) 522.2692
>>> Email: info@brentwood-printing.com
>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>> www.Brentwood-Printing.com
>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>> Send us your file at:
>>> http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html
>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>> Quick. Quality. Printing
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> PrintOwners Discussion List
>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> PrintOwners Discussion List
>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>>
>
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>

From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Tue Jan  8 17:52:49 2008
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Tue Jan  8 17:53:31 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] thermography card
In-Reply-To: <456A98D2-642B-49F7-AC5E-B115162FDB3D@desktopsxm.com>
References: <4783B722.40304@goinsty.com>
	<47839C46.7352.67A32AD@slb.inkspot.net>
	<456A98D2-642B-49F7-AC5E-B115162FDB3D@desktopsxm.com>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0801081452m71681536s25daed1470c60d1c@mail.gmail.com>

On Jan 8, 2008 5:43 PM, Joel Brint <info@desktopsxm.com> wrote:
>
> Is BCE also BCT


BCE = Business Card Express
BCT = Business Cards Tomorrow


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com
====================================
Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
                                                     ~Lord Bacon
From slb at inkspot.net  Tue Jan  8 18:05:03 2008
From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman)
Date: Tue Jan  8 18:05:45 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] How are capacity folders assembled?
In-Reply-To: <000801c8523e$15b98970$6701a8c0@pc3>
Message-ID: <4783BB4F.12990.6F36E84@slb.inkspot.net>

We have a very picky customer for whom we provide capacity folders 
occasionally. Their die cutting is fine, but their hand assembly 
leaves something to be desired. How is this usually done, and with 
what adhesives and equipment? It looks like we might have to take the 
assembly part ourselves, to control the quality, unless we are 
willing to waste a lot by "inspecting in" the quality at the end <g>

TIA,
Steve

Steve Blatman
Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
Tel: 610-647-0776
Fax: 610-647-4560

From robin at protypeonline.com  Tue Jan  8 18:07:24 2008
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Tue Jan  8 18:07:53 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Table Top Tabber - For Sale
Message-ID: <200801081707561.SM02408@[192.168.1.113]>

GONE!
Thanks everyone.

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com



From k_graham at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  8 22:26:17 2008
From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Jan  8 22:26:30 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Ikon C500 small claims  lawsuit settlement offer.
References: <200801081707561.SM02408@[192.168.1.113]>
Message-ID: <BAY135-DAV1622EC218A33A374CA66B0EB490@phx.gbl>

Well today the lawyer for Ikon called with a settlement offer of 15,000 but 
tentatively offered 20,000 after I suggested 35,000. My suit was for 2 small 
claims of up to $25,000.00 each but that was for damages at the judges 
discretion above the $35,000.

What prompted this offer -- not the court case but it seems the information 
I posted at

http://groups.google.com/group/ColorCopier

Mind you before Christmas they also sent me a letter suggesting they were 
going to sue me for much more for defamation.
Perhaps I am naive as I  told them I was only showing photos of the 
equipment and events and providing my opinion and leaving it up to others to 
form their own conclusion.

It seems they are taking some flack from the site, I had a person near 
Atlanta tell me he got out of a lease on a 500 due to non performance last 
week but no one  posts publicly which is quite frustrating considering I've 
had a number that quietly complain that they get nowhere. The other drawback 
with any settlement is of course they want me to remove any posts possible 
and refrain from future comment which leaves others open to their sales 
spin.

If you have a justified copier complaint by all means consider documenting 
it publicly at http://groups.google.com/group/ColorCopier .

If you have advice you prefer private email me direct or write here.

Ken Graham
CommunityPrinters.com
250-782-7108
Dawson Creek BC Canada
V1G 2G5










From DanF at MMSNY.com  Tue Jan  8 22:39:39 2008
From: DanF at MMSNY.com (Dan Flatt)
Date: Tue Jan  8 22:33:55 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Ikon C500 small claims  lawsuit settlement offer.
Message-ID: <A496437572132B4F9CE0AD1D591E969DBC575A@corningserver1.mmsny.com>

Ken,
Good for You!  That took a lot of perseverance to get this far.  I have
had my own run in with IKON but that was mainly because I used to be a
HV sales rep and a sales manager for IKON and the service manager and I
did not agree on what our goal was.  He managed to the numbers not to
customer satisfaction.  I am proud to say that I no longer have any
equipment from IKON.

Bravo to you!

Dan Flatt
owner
Multi Media Services 
11136-40 River Road
Corning, NY  14830
main 607-936-3186
CELL 607-331-7217 PLEASE CALL MY CELL FIRST!
Fax 877-684-3043
www.mmsny.com
 
Isn't it time that you had a business printer printing for your
business?
 
Other contacts:
Rick Bartholomew  Sr. VP -Manufacturing        607-769-8111
Belinda Wilcox         vp- finance & CSR's            607-936-3186
Rose Flatt                 VP - Creative
607-331-1555           
Dick Shelford           Sunset Operations              607-331-5775
Patty Carlson           Strategic accounts              607-331-5314
Jenna Nailer             IR operations liaison           607-331-5314
Dave Satterly           IR operations
570-882-0485
Ralph Begeal            CSR
607-331-5572
Steve Mullen            CSR   / paper
607-936-3186
Margaret Puffer      Major accounts / mailing   607-936-318
Emily Colletta           creative
607-331-7068 
Judy Pruyne             creative
607-331-5963
 
 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of
k_graham@hotmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:26 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] Ikon C500 small claims lawsuit settlement offer.


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Well today the lawyer for Ikon called with a settlement offer of 15,000
but 
tentatively offered 20,000 after I suggested 35,000. My suit was for 2
small 
claims of up to $25,000.00 each but that was for damages at the judges 
discretion above the $35,000.

What prompted this offer -- not the court case but it seems the
information 
I posted at

http://groups.google.com/group/ColorCopier

Mind you before Christmas they also sent me a letter suggesting they
were 
going to sue me for much more for defamation.
Perhaps I am naive as I  told them I was only showing photos of the 
equipment and events and providing my opinion and leaving it up to
others to 
form their own conclusion.

It seems they are taking some flack from the site, I had a person near 
Atlanta tell me he got out of a lease on a 500 due to non performance
last 
week but no one  posts publicly which is quite frustrating considering
I've 
had a number that quietly complain that they get nowhere. The other
drawback 
with any settlement is of course they want me to remove any posts
possible 
and refrain from future comment which leaves others open to their sales 
spin.

If you have a justified copier complaint by all means consider
documenting 
it publicly at http://groups.google.com/group/ColorCopier .

If you have advice you prefer private email me direct or write here.

Ken Graham
CommunityPrinters.com
250-782-7108
Dawson Creek BC Canada
V1G 2G5










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From Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com  Wed Jan  9 08:41:58 2008
From: Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com (Gerry Engelhart)
Date: Wed Jan  9 08:42:25 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need paper not available here
Message-ID: <200801090741343.SM02832@Engelhart>

I am looking for two paper stocks that I cannot find in my marketplace
(Cleveland)
 
#1)   Jersey Leatherette cover stock, black, 11 x 17, 275 sheets 
 
#2)  Strathomore Writing - Elements /Soft Grey squares
        250    8.5x 11 sheets #80 text (or whatever text weight we can get)
        250    8.5x11 sheets cover stock
        500   A-7 envelopes
 
Of course we will buy in whatever package sizes are available

If anyone can point me in the right direction, I would be appreciative
 
gerry 
 
Gerry Engelhart
Porath Printsource
21000 Miles Parkway
Cleveland,Ohio 44128
216-626-0060
 

From bob at rjmprinting.com  Wed Jan  9 08:48:50 2008
From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek)
Date: Wed Jan  9 08:49:41 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need paper not available here
In-Reply-To: <200801090741343.SM02832@Engelhart>
Message-ID: <auto-000004722152@popp.net>

Gerry,

Try Anchor paper in St. Paul, MN

651-298-1312

I believe they carry both papers.

Bob Molacek
Sir Speedy Printing
7793 Ranchers Road
Fridley, MN  55432
763-571-4608
bob@rjmprinting.com
 
-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Engelhart
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 7:42 AM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need paper not available here

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I am looking for two paper stocks that I cannot find in my marketplace
(Cleveland)
 
#1)   Jersey Leatherette cover stock, black, 11 x 17, 275 sheets 
 
#2)  Strathomore Writing - Elements /Soft Grey squares
        250    8.5x 11 sheets #80 text (or whatever text weight we can get)
        250    8.5x11 sheets cover stock
        500   A-7 envelopes
 
Of course we will buy in whatever package sizes are available

If anyone can point me in the right direction, I would be appreciative
 
gerry 
 
Gerry Engelhart
Porath Printsource
21000 Miles Parkway
Cleveland,Ohio 44128
216-626-0060
 

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From ppiinc7 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  9 09:20:01 2008
From: ppiinc7 at gmail.com (John Steffes)
Date: Wed Jan  9 09:21:17 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Source For 250,000 4/0 Numbered Valet Tickets
In-Reply-To: <c2778de30801080918n3149edfbjcd49d16e249dd709@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a5714d730801080832q57456479i824367c77d434df7@mail.gmail.com>
	<c2778de30801080918n3149edfbjcd49d16e249dd709@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a5714d730801090620o12b7479bh8d7ac75edcd9a22a@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Thom!

On Jan 8, 2008 12:18 PM, Thom Gulyas <acepm2@gmail.com> wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Google "GLOBE TICKET COMPANY"
>
> Thom Gulyas
> ACE Printing & Mailing
> www.acepm.com
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2008 11:32 AM, John Steffes <ppiinc7@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > --
> > John Steffes
> > Printing Plus
> > Delray Beach, FL
> > _______________________________________________
> > PrintOwners Discussion List
> > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Thom Gulyas
> ACE Printing & Mailing
> Berlin, Maryland 21811
> www.acepm.com
> _______________________________________________
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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>


-- 
John Steffes
Printing Plus
Delray Beach, FL
From Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com  Wed Jan  9 09:40:19 2008
From: Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com (Gerry Engelhart)
Date: Wed Jan  9 09:41:13 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Hologram printing
Message-ID: <200801090840281.SM03112@Engelhart>

Customer just called and wants to print up 2500 brochures with a 2 x 3
hologram on the front cover
 
Where do I  go for the hologram.  I assume that the "maker" of the hologram
would print it and give them to me?
 
Any guidance would be appreciated
 
gerry
 
Gerry Engelhart
Porath Printsource
21000 Miles Parkway
Cleveland,Ohio 44128
216-626-0060
 

From eric at digi-print.com  Wed Jan  9 10:24:40 2008
From: eric at digi-print.com (Eric Weber)
Date: Wed Jan  9 10:25:00 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] A head's up: Original On-Hold Company
In-Reply-To: <auto-000004722152@popp.net>
References: <auto-000004722152@popp.net>
Message-ID: <p06240809c3aa94a54a26@[192.168.0.5]>


Just wanted to give a head's up to those who have been a client of 
The Original On-Hold Company.

We have used them in the past .. it's probably been about four years 
since we have. They had been calling me enough for me to ask them to 
not call. I did not want to use their services again.

At any rate, we get an invoice for an "Annual Maintenance Fee."

I called to ask why we received an invoice. I was told that "everyone 
in their database" received one.

Hmm, sure wish I could just blindly send an invoice to everyone in my database.

Anyway, my warning to look out for these snakes.

-- 
***********************************************************************
Eric Weber
Sales / General Manager / Vice President

PrintDigital Inc.
4688 Darrow Rd., Stow, OH 44224
330-686-5945   Fax 330-686-5329
www.digi-print.com   eric@digi-print.com

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From dennisewing at satx.rr.com  Wed Jan  9 10:27:53 2008
From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing)
Date: Wed Jan  9 10:28:07 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need paper not available here
In-Reply-To: <200801090741343.SM02832@Engelhart>
References: <200801090741343.SM02832@Engelhart>
Message-ID: <4784E7F9.7050301@satx.rr.com>

http://bosworthpapers.com/

They carry these stocks and can ship them to you anywhere I would think.

Dennis W. Ewing Sr
Ewing and Sons Printing
12000 Crownpoint, #130
San Antonio, TX 78233
dennisewing@satx.rr.com
ewingandsons@satx.rr.com
210/650-5311
210/650-9916 Fax



Gerry Engelhart wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I am looking for two paper stocks that I cannot find in my marketplace
> (Cleveland)
>  
> #1)   Jersey Leatherette cover stock, black, 11 x 17, 275 sheets 
>  
> #2)  Strathomore Writing - Elements /Soft Grey squares
>         250    8.5x 11 sheets #80 text (or whatever text weight we can get)
>         250    8.5x11 sheets cover stock
>         500   A-7 envelopes
>  
> Of course we will buy in whatever package sizes are available
>
> If anyone can point me in the right direction, I would be appreciative
>  
> gerry 
>  
> Gerry Engelhart
> Porath Printsource
> 21000 Miles Parkway
> Cleveland,Ohio 44128
> 216-626-0060
>  
>
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>   
From kk1127 at mindspring.com  Wed Jan  9 11:35:38 2008
From: kk1127 at mindspring.com (John Hughes)
Date: Wed Jan  9 11:35:55 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Web to Print
Message-ID: <001401c852dd$ac222cb0$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK>

I have a web to print job.

Customer needs 2500 or 5000 post cards.
4 x 6, 4/0, UV coated.
Needs to be in Chicago by 1/14.

I talked to 4 Over by didn't get a high confidence level.

Can anyone on the list do this.

TIA

John Hughes
Kwik Kopy Printing
kk1127@mindspring.com
From Susan at cdandp.net  Wed Jan  9 15:08:43 2008
From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton)
Date: Wed Jan  9 12:09:15 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Morgana FRN Perf/Score/Number Machine
Message-ID: <006901c852fb$6f3089a0$8302a8c0@Robbin>

Dear Printowner Friends,

Hooray!  I was able to return the Count perf/score/number machine with no 
problem and no hard feelings.  Now I am looking at the Morgana FRN 
(friction) per/score/number machine.  I know everyone who has a Morgana 
seems to be very happy with it, but does anyone have one of these specific 
machines?  If so, pros/cons?

Thanks!

Susan Wells Compton
Compton Design & Printing Inc.
109 South Jefferson Steet
Lexington, VA 24450
540-463-9232
540-464-4329 Fax
Susan@cdandp.net
www.cdandp.net 

From s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com  Wed Jan  9 12:53:13 2008
From: s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com (Sonya Hughes)
Date: Wed Jan  9 12:55:16 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Custom playing cards
Message-ID: <16247D8A-8C43-4612-9F8E-E5E80C9FCA2A@legendsofdodgecity.com>

I have a customer who has asked me to quote 3,000 decks, custom  
playing cards.

Is there anyone "out there" that does these, or has a resource they  
can share with me?

I would appreciate hearing ...
TIA

Sonya Hughes
Legends Printing
Dodge City, KS
From stalprint at charter.net  Wed Jan  9 13:13:53 2008
From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings)
Date: Wed Jan  9 13:14:18 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Custom playing cards
In-Reply-To: <16247D8A-8C43-4612-9F8E-E5E80C9FCA2A@legendsofdodgecity.com>
References: <16247D8A-8C43-4612-9F8E-E5E80C9FCA2A@legendsofdodgecity.com>
Message-ID: <47850EE1.6000404@charter.net>




        Name:

	


        Blu Prime Playing Cards


        Main Address:

	


        3843 N Broadway St
        Chicago, IL 60613


        Main Phone:

	


        (800)709-5413  






Sonya Hughes wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I have a customer who has asked me to quote 3,000 decks, custom  
> playing cards.
>
> Is there anyone "out there" that does these, or has a resource they  
> can share with me?
>
> I would appreciate hearing ...
> TIA
>
> Sonya Hughes
> Legends Printing
> Dodge City, KS
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>

-- 
Mark Stallings
Stallings Printing
1709 Walt Arney Road
Lenoir, NC 28645
828-758-1126
stalprint@charter.net


From stalprint at charter.net  Wed Jan  9 13:16:24 2008
From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings)
Date: Wed Jan  9 13:17:01 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Custom playing cards
In-Reply-To: <16247D8A-8C43-4612-9F8E-E5E80C9FCA2A@legendsofdodgecity.com>
References: <16247D8A-8C43-4612-9F8E-E5E80C9FCA2A@legendsofdodgecity.com>
Message-ID: <47850F78.8030309@charter.net>




        Name:

	


        GEMACO Playing Card Company


        Main Address:

	


        PO Box 790
        Blue Springs, MO 64013-0790


        Main Phone:

	


        (816)220-1300        











Sonya Hughes wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I have a customer who has asked me to quote 3,000 decks, custom  
> playing cards.
>
> Is there anyone "out there" that does these, or has a resource they  
> can share with me?
>
> I would appreciate hearing ...
> TIA
>
> Sonya Hughes
> Legends Printing
> Dodge City, KS
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>

-- 
Mark Stallings
Stallings Printing
1709 Walt Arney Road
Lenoir, NC 28645
828-758-1126
stalprint@charter.net


From list at interiorgraphics.com  Wed Jan  9 13:52:32 2008
From: list at interiorgraphics.com (Michelle at Interior Graphics)
Date: Wed Jan  9 13:53:10 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe 8 Printing Problems - .5" Margins?
Message-ID: <AE7FFE89-B5AF-4313-B4F0-C2971BD68636@interiorgraphics.com>

Hey there -

I've opened a PDF file in Acrobat Reader 8, and when I print or send  
it to the rip from here it's giving me .5" margins.  I'm printing a  
booklet, and I've selected the booklet printing option.  The preview  
doesn't look condensed, but when it comes out of either my 7255 or my  
C500 the image/text is reduced to fit in half inch margins.  I didn't  
have this problem with Acrobat 7, but the booklet printing option is  
also not available in Acrobat 7.

If I print a single 8.5 x 11 sheet out from 8 it gives me .5" margin  
on the bottom, but the other 3 sides are fine.  It doesn't reduce the  
image, it just cuts it off.

I've had this problem since I installed 8, but I usually just use 7.   
However, I've gotten a job that I need to do on my 7255 (b&w) and I  
can't figure out how to get it to print properly.  Any assistance is  
greatly appreciated!  Thank you,


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Michelle Maynor
"Your Personal Printer"
Interior Graphics & Printing
770 8th Avenue
Fairbanks, AK 99701
907.456.4982 phone
907.452.6992 fax

"The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the  
most." - John Ruskin



From greg at pressexpress.org  Wed Jan  9 14:09:08 2008
From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Wed Jan  9 14:10:14 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] A head's up: Original On-Hold Company
In-Reply-To: <p06240809c3aa94a54a26@[192.168.0.5]>
References: <auto-000004722152@popp.net> <p06240809c3aa94a54a26@[192.168.0.5]>
Message-ID: <5A2F4A5C-5FD9-4529-A89B-00143E86D490@pressexpress.org>

Is that the company by the name "National Telephone Message  
Corporation" out of Sunrise, Florida??? (www.ihearditonhold.com)

If so, I agree, they call me every month to update my on hold messages  
I purchased back from them several years ago.  Have yet to receive an  
invoice for annual maintenance but they solicited this service via  
phone several times.

I just wonder how many invoices get paid by accounting without proper  
knowledge.

Greg



On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Eric Weber wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>
> Just wanted to give a head's up to those who have been a client of  
> The Original On-Hold Company.
>
> We have used them in the past .. it's probably been about four years  
> since we have. They had been calling me enough for me to ask them to  
> not call. I did not want to use their services again.
>
> At any rate, we get an invoice for an "Annual Maintenance Fee."
>
> I called to ask why we received an invoice. I was told that  
> "everyone in their database" received one.
>
> Hmm, sure wish I could just blindly send an invoice to everyone in  
> my database.
>
> Anyway, my warning to look out for these snakes.
>
> -- 
> ***********************************************************************
> Eric Weber
> Sales / General Manager / Vice President
>
> PrintDigital Inc.
> 4688 Darrow Rd., Stow, OH 44224
> 330-686-5945   Fax 330-686-5329
> www.digi-print.com   eric@digi-print.com
>
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Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org

Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider
Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider


From greg at pressexpress.org  Wed Jan  9 14:10:23 2008
From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Wed Jan  9 14:11:14 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Morgana FRN Perf/Score/Number Machine
In-Reply-To: <006901c852fb$6f3089a0$8302a8c0@Robbin>
References: <006901c852fb$6f3089a0$8302a8c0@Robbin>
Message-ID: <6EA06C6D-6736-4AC9-8913-E168999A2E4D@pressexpress.org>

Susan, I am wondering what problems you had with Count and what  
machine you returned.  Just wondering if your problems with Count  
measured up with mine.

Greg
On Jan 9, 2008, at 2:08 PM, Susan Compton wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Dear Printowner Friends,
>
> Hooray!  I was able to return the Count perf/score/number machine  
> with no problem and no hard feelings.  Now I am looking at the  
> Morgana FRN (friction) per/score/number machine.  I know everyone  
> who has a Morgana seems to be very happy with it, but does anyone  
> have one of these specific machines?  If so, pros/cons?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Susan Wells Compton
> Compton Design & Printing Inc.
> 109 South Jefferson Steet
> Lexington, VA 24450
> 540-463-9232
> 540-464-4329 Fax
> Susan@cdandp.net
> www.cdandp.net
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners


Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org

Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider
Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider


From k_graham at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  9 14:58:21 2008
From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed Jan  9 14:59:03 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Ikon C500 small claims  lawsuit settlement offer.
References: <A496437572132B4F9CE0AD1D591E969DBC575A@corningserver1.mmsny.com>
Message-ID: <BAY135-DAV13C55267DC00DAA1DE1AF2EB490@phx.gbl>

Ken,
>Good for You!  That took a lot of perseverance to get this far.  I have
>had my own run in with IKON but that was mainly because I used to be a
>HV sales rep and a sales manager for IKON and the service manager and I
>did not agree on what our goal was.  He managed to the numbers not to
>customer satisfaction.  I am proud to say that I no longer have any
>equipment from IKON.

>Bravo to you!

>Dan Flatt

Thanks Dan;

Interesting but this morning I received notice of court date for Feb. 26 and 
27.

It is tempting to settle short and run but last week I had someone tell me 
they managed out of a lease with Ikon and I think a factor was the color 
copy site to back them up or at least to get them mad enough to stand firm. 
I also received a letter this week from someone that bought a Konica via AB 
Dick that apparently lost his home. He claims the machine worked for 3 
months then went to pot and they kept trying to fix it. but he could not 
rely on it for saleable copies via computer.

But neither of these people have posted at 
http://groups.google.com/group/ColorCopier so what can one do for them if 
they will not cry it from the roof tops.

Ken Graham
CommunityPrinters.com
250-782-7108
Dawson Creek BC Canada
V1G 2G5





From steve at toledoprinter.com  Wed Jan  9 15:06:54 2008
From: steve at toledoprinter.com (West Printing)
Date: Wed Jan  9 15:07:31 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe 8 Printing Problems - .5" Margins?
In-Reply-To: <AE7FFE89-B5AF-4313-B4F0-C2971BD68636@interiorgraphics.com>
References: <AE7FFE89-B5AF-4313-B4F0-C2971BD68636@interiorgraphics.com>
Message-ID: <001001c852fb$2ec76eb0$8c564c10$@com>


Is the "Choose paper source by pdf size", located just below the paper
scaling area,  checked? Sometimes that does not work well, kind of
depends on which program created the pdf.

Here is a link to Adobe's instruction for printing booklet from
Acrobat 8
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/Reader/8.0/help.html?content=WSA2354511-30
E7-4d18-9FB2-AC4A96EC533A.html

Here is another link, of another way to do with Acrobat, using
horizontal setup
http://www.planetpdf.com/enterprise/article.asp?ContentID=Makingbookle
tswithAdobeReader

I never use the Acrobat booklet function. Quite Imposing is much
better and more flexible solution, albeit pricey.

Steve Robison
West Printing Co.
327 12th Street, Toledo, OH 43604
Ph. 419.246.0857, steve@toledoprinter.com?
****************************************
http://www.ToledoPrinter.Com
Authorized Adobe Service Provider
Microsoft Publisher Service Provider 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-
> bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michelle at Interior Graphics
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:53 PM
> To: Printowners
> Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe 8 Printing Problems - .5" Margins?
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> Hey there -
> 
> I've opened a PDF file in Acrobat Reader 8, and when I print or
> send
> it to the rip from here it's giving me .5" margins.  I'm printing
> a
> booklet, and I've selected the booklet printing option.  The
> preview
> doesn't look condensed, but when it comes out of either my 7255
> or my
> C500 the image/text is reduced to fit in half inch margins.  I
> didn't
> have this problem with Acrobat 7, but the booklet printing option
> is
> also not available in Acrobat 7.
> 
> If I print a single 8.5 x 11 sheet out from 8 it gives me .5"
> margin
> on the bottom, but the other 3 sides are fine.  It doesn't reduce
> the
> image, it just cuts it off.
> 
> I've had this problem since I installed 8, but I usually just use
> 7.
> However, I've gotten a job that I need to do on my 7255 (b&w) and
> I
> can't figure out how to get it to print properly.  Any assistance
> is
> greatly appreciated!  Thank you,
> 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Michelle Maynor
> "Your Personal Printer"
> Interior Graphics & Printing
> 770 8th Avenue
> Fairbanks, AK 99701
> 907.456.4982 phone
> 907.452.6992 fax
> 
> "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color
> the
> most." - John Ruskin
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners

From Susan at cdandp.net  Wed Jan  9 18:11:44 2008
From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton)
Date: Wed Jan  9 15:12:11 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Morgana FRN (Also Count) LONG
References: <006901c852fb$6f3089a0$8302a8c0@Robbin>
	<6EA06C6D-6736-4AC9-8913-E168999A2E4D@pressexpress.org>
Message-ID: <00f101c85315$00a08e80$8302a8c0@Robbin>

Dear Greg,

The machine we got was a Number Pro. We got it from a company we regularly 
deal with and have a good relationship with.  It was a machine that they had 
ordered for someone else, who decided not to take it, so they gave me "a 
good deal." I didn't realize it at the time, but I bet the reason he didn't 
take it is because it is definitely an entry-level machine (no paper 
thickness guides, etc.). Anyway, just after I placed the order, someone on 
the list asked about perf/score machines and several people said, "I will 
never buy a Count again." That scared me. Then they delivered the machine, 
with someone to come out the next week to "install and train."

Well, the guy came out the next week and took several hours just to "set up 
the machine" (he obviously knew very little about them).  I asked him, "Do 
you work on Counts a lot?"  He said, "Only when I have to." After another 
couple of hours, I went back to see how they were doing. He was packing up 
and getting ready to leave. He said that he had showed my production manager 
how to number on the machine (she concurred). I asked him about perfing and 
scoring. He said (picking up a plastic bag that had not been opened), "You 
put this on top of that," showing us, and I said, "I think you better go 
completely through it for us."  Was he not going to show us how to 
perf/score (one of the main reasons I was buying a machine?

Well, I decided I would give it a fair shake (just to make sure I didn't 
like it because I really wanted a Morgana).  That was when may bindery 
supervisor showed me that there was no way to set the paper thickness.  She 
also pointed out that the machine was supposed to handle 12 x 18 paper, but 
the guides wouldn't even open up enough to hold 17".

So I guess my main problem was me.  I should have done more research.  I 
wasn't too thrilled with the lack of knowledge of the person who "installed 
and trained," but I know, in his case (from previous experience), this is a 
personnel issue and not a company issue.

Susan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Weinfurter" <greg@pressexpress.org>
To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Morgana FRN Perf/Score/Number Machine


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Susan, I am wondering what problems you had with Count and what  machine 
> you returned.  Just wondering if your problems with Count  measured up 
> with mine.
>
> Greg 

From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com  Wed Jan  9 15:17:17 2008
From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt)
Date: Wed Jan  9 15:17:48 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe 8 Printing Problems - .5" Margins?
In-Reply-To: <AE7FFE89-B5AF-4313-B4F0-C2971BD68636@interiorgraphics.com>
References: <AE7FFE89-B5AF-4313-B4F0-C2971BD68636@interiorgraphics.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c852fc$a157c820$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1>

I believe the Reader Version does this but the full version does not. I
think there is a work-around but it doesn't work too well.

Gordon
Xoxo Cyberprint Inc

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michelle at Interior
Graphics
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:53 PM
To: Printowners
Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe 8 Printing Problems - .5" Margins?

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Hey there -

I've opened a PDF file in Acrobat Reader 8, and when I print or send  
it to the rip from here it's giving me .5" margins.  I'm printing a  
booklet, and I've selected the booklet printing option.  The preview  
doesn't look condensed, but when it comes out of either my 7255 or my  
C500 the image/text is reduced to fit in half inch margins.  I didn't  
have this problem with Acrobat 7, but the booklet printing option is  
also not available in Acrobat 7.

If I print a single 8.5 x 11 sheet out from 8 it gives me .5" margin  
on the bottom, but the other 3 sides are fine.  It doesn't reduce the  
image, it just cuts it off.

I've had this problem since I installed 8, but I usually just use 7.   
However, I've gotten a job that I need to do on my 7255 (b&w) and I  
can't figure out how to get it to print properly.  Any assistance is  
greatly appreciated!  Thank you,


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Michelle Maynor
"Your Personal Printer"
Interior Graphics & Printing
770 8th Avenue
Fairbanks, AK 99701
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From prtquick at eos.net  Wed Jan  9 15:50:11 2008
From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke)
Date: Wed Jan  9 15:49:25 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] A head's up: Original On-Hold Company
In-Reply-To: <5A2F4A5C-5FD9-4529-A89B-00143E86D490@pressexpress.org>
References: <auto-000004722152@popp.net> <p06240809c3aa94a54a26@[192.168.0.5]>
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I faxed a quote out to a customer of mine yesterday, and I got a call  
from an irate office-person claiming that I had sent them a incorrect  
invoice.

I told him it was just a quote for Karen, but he said he did not want  
to get "scammed" and he thought it was an invoice! I had him read it  
to me, and of course it said Estimate #8421 in big friendly letters  
at the top.

He was still very suspicous, even when he found out who I was, so  
they must have problems with mysterious fax invoices too.

Thanks!

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On Jan 9, 2008, at 2:09 PM, Greg Weinfurter wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Is that the company by the name "National Telephone Message  
> Corporation" out of Sunrise, Florida??? (www.ihearditonhold.com)
>
> If so, I agree, they call me every month to update my on hold  
> messages I purchased back from them several years ago.  Have yet to  
> receive an invoice for annual maintenance but they solicited this  
> service via phone several times.
>
> I just wonder how many invoices get paid by accounting without  
> proper knowledge.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Eric Weber wrote:
>
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>>
>>
>> Just wanted to give a head's up to those who have been a client of  
>> The Original On-Hold Company.
>>
>> We have used them in the past .. it's probably been about four  
>> years since we have. They had been calling me enough for me to ask  
>> them to not call. I did not want to use their services again.
>>
>> At any rate, we get an invoice for an "Annual Maintenance Fee."
>>
>> I called to ask why we received an invoice. I was told that  
>> "everyone in their database" received one.
>>
>> Hmm, sure wish I could just blindly send an invoice to everyone in  
>> my database.
>>
>> Anyway, my warning to look out for these snakes.
>>
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From championprinting at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  9 18:08:24 2008
From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly)
Date: Wed Jan  9 18:08:58 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Morgana FRN (Also Count) LONG
Message-ID: <355587.70406.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

You have underscored the main reason I do business with trusted vendors. We've all seen the horror stories posted here by list members looking for "bargains". We expect our vendors to stand behind what they sell. Your earlier post indicated you were looking at a Morgana friction machine. I'm not familiar with this particular unit but I would be very hesitant to buy a friction feed anything since most of out digital and 4C press jobs are on coated stocks. I would expect friction feeding to cause slipping and marking when working with coated stock.
 
Ted Gelletly
Champion Printing
5401 New Expansion Drive
Eldersburg MD 21784
410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488
ted@championprintingonline.com


----- Original Message ----
From: Susan Compton <Susan@cdandp.net>
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 6:11:44 PM
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Morgana FRN (Also Count) LONG

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Dear Greg,

The machine we got was a Number Pro. We got it from a company we regularly 
deal with and have a good relationship with.  It was a machine that they had 
ordered for someone else, who decided not to take it, so they gave me "a 
good deal." I didn't realize it at the time, but I bet the reason he didn't 
take it is because it is definitely an entry-level machine (no paper 
thickness guides, etc.). Anyway, just after I placed the order, someone on 
the list asked about perf/score machines and several people said, "I will 
never buy a Count again." That scared me. Then they delivered the machine, 
with someone to come out the next week to "install and train."

Well, the guy came out the next week and took several hours just to "set up 
the machine" (he obviously knew very little about them).  I asked him, "Do 
you work on Counts a lot?"  He said, "Only when I have to." After another 
couple of hours, I went back to see how they were doing. He was packing up 
and getting ready to leave. He said that he had showed my production manager 
how to number on the machine (she concurred). I asked him about perfing and 
scoring. He said (picking up a plastic bag that had not been opened), "You 
put this on top of that," showing us, and I said, "I think you better go 
completely through it for us."  Was he not going to show us how to 
perf/score (one of the main reasons I was buying a machine?

Well, I decided I would give it a fair shake (just to make sure I didn't 
like it because I really wanted a Morgana).  That was when may bindery 
supervisor showed me that there was no way to set the paper thickness.   She 
also pointed out that the machine was supposed to handle 12 x 18 paper, but 
the guides wouldn't even open up enough to hold 17".

So I guess my main problem was me.  I should have done more research.   I 
wasn't too thrilled with the lack of knowledge of the person who "installed 
and trained," but I know, in his case (from previous experience), this is a 
personnel issue and not a company issue.

Susan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Weinfurter" <greg@pressexpress.org>
To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Morgana FRN Perf/Score/Number Machine
From Susan at cdandp.net  Wed Jan  9 22:28:24 2008
From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton)
Date: Wed Jan  9 19:28:42 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Morgana FRN (Also Count) LONG
References: <355587.70406.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <014601c85338$db71c740$8302a8c0@Robbin>

Dear Ted,

That is a very good point. However, there is a $4,000 difference between the 
friction and suction versions of this machine. Do you feel that the air is 
really worth an additional $4,000? If it is, then I will find a way to come 
up with the money -- don't tell my dealer, though. ;)

Susan Wells Compton
Compton Design & Printing Inc.
109 South Jefferson Steet
Lexington, VA 24450
540-463-9232
540-464-4329 Fax
Susan@cdandp.net
www.cdandp.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ted Gelletly" <championprinting@yahoo.com>
To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Morgana FRN (Also Count) LONG


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> You have underscored the main reason I do business with trusted vendors. 
> We've all seen the horror stories posted here by list members looking for 
> "bargains". We expect our vendors to stand behind what they sell. Your 
> earlier post indicated you were looking at a Morgana friction machine. I'm 
> not familiar with this particular unit but I would be very hesitant to buy 
> a friction feed anything since most of out digital and 4C press jobs are 
> on coated stocks. I would expect friction feeding to cause slipping and 
> marking when working with coated stock.
>
> Ted Gelletly
> Champion Printing
> 5401 New Expansion Drive
> Eldersburg MD 21784
> 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488
> ted@championprintingonline.com

From smc at sorrentomesa.com  Wed Jan  9 19:32:07 2008
From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel)
Date: Wed Jan  9 19:36:35 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Morgana FRN (Also Count) LONG
In-Reply-To: <014601c85338$db71c740$8302a8c0@Robbin>
References: <355587.70406.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<014601c85338$db71c740$8302a8c0@Robbin>
Message-ID: <200801100036.m0A0aGMl063947@i2bnetworks.com>


Get the air fed. Ted's point is, well, a very good one.

Morgana is the way to go, buy equipment that is well built and will last

S.



At 07:28 PM 1/9/2008, you wrote:
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>Dear Ted,
>
>That is a very good point. However, there is a $4,000 difference 
>between the friction and suction versions of this machine. Do you 
>feel that the air is really worth an additional $4,000? If it is, 
>then I will find a way to come up with the money -- don't tell my 
>dealer, though. ;)
>
>Susan Wells Compton
>Compton Design & Printing Inc.
>109 South Jefferson Steet
>Lexington, VA 24450
>540-463-9232
>540-464-4329 Fax
>Susan@cdandp.net
>www.cdandp.net
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Gelletly" <championprinting@yahoo.com>
>To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" 
><printowners@printweb.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 3:08 PM
>Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Morgana FRN (Also Count) LONG
>
>
>>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>>You have underscored the main reason I do business with trusted 
>>vendors. We've all seen the horror stories posted here by list 
>>members looking for "bargains". We expect our vendors to stand 
>>behind what they sell. Your earlier post indicated you were looking 
>>at a Morgana friction machine. I'm not familiar with this 
>>particular unit but I would be very hesitant to buy a friction feed 
>>anything since most of out digital and 4C press jobs are on coated 
>>stocks. I would expect friction feeding to cause slipping and 
>>marking when working with coated stock.
>>
>>Ted Gelletly
>>Champion Printing
>>5401 New Expansion Drive
>>Eldersburg MD 21784
>>410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488
>>ted@championprintingonline.com
>
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From robin at protypeonline.com  Thu Jan 10 08:43:54 2008
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Thu Jan 10 08:44:08 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Morgana FRN (Also Count) LONG
Message-ID: <4970B05D-FD2C-4E8E-ACED-2069E079F880@protypeonline.com>

Susan,
I've learned the hard way -- my advice is spend the extra $4000 and  
never look back. Your business is growing and you will need the air  
feed sooner than you think -- maybe even NOW! When the time comes that  
you MUST have airfeed, upgrading will cost you much more than $4000.  
We struggled, but "made do" with a friction feed duplo collator for  
several years -- cost me TIME! Last year, got airfeed and am still  
kicking myself for not spending the money to get this great feature in  
the first place!
I think.....YOU NEED SUCTION or AIR FEED. And, it is much more fun to  
spend someone else's money! :))) Good Luck.
Robin

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com



From tim at schreurprinting.com  Thu Jan 10 09:33:05 2008
From: tim at schreurprinting.com (Tim Schreur)
Date: Thu Jan 10 09:33:23 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Morgana FRN (Also Count) LONG
In-Reply-To: <200801100036.m0A0aGMl063947@i2bnetworks.com>
Message-ID: <OEEIKNDBLMELKCPOIDJHKEFECMAA.tim@schreurprinting.com>

Would anyone share how much one of these machines cost. I am interested
in upgrading to a faster method of production than our Kluge for
perf/score/number.

I will second the motion to buy air fed equipment. I am currently
replacing my friction fed collator with an air fed model.

Thanks,
Tim

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President
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-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Cappel [mailto:smc@sorrentomesa.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 7:32 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Morgana FRN (Also Count) LONG



Get the air fed. Ted's point is, well, a very good one.

Morgana is the way to go, buy equipment that is well built and will last

S.



At 07:28 PM 1/9/2008, you wrote:
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>Dear Ted,
>
>That is a very good point. However, there is a $4,000 difference
>between the friction and suction versions of this machine. Do you
>feel that the air is really worth an additional $4,000? If it is,
>then I will find a way to come up with the money -- don't tell my
>dealer, though. ;)
>
>Susan Wells Compton
>Compton Design & Printing Inc.
>109 South Jefferson Steet
>Lexington, VA 24450
>540-463-9232
>540-464-4329 Fax
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>>members looking for "bargains". We expect our vendors to stand
>>behind what they sell. Your earlier post indicated you were looking
>>at a Morgana friction machine. I'm not familiar with this
>>particular unit but I would be very hesitant to buy a friction feed
>>anything since most of out digital and 4C press jobs are on coated
>>stocks. I would expect friction feeding to cause slipping and
>>marking when working with coated stock.
>>
>>Ted Gelletly
>>Champion Printing
>>5401 New Expansion Drive
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From Susan at cdandp.net  Thu Jan 10 09:46:33 2008
From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton)
Date: Thu Jan 10 09:47:09 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Morgana FRN (Also Count) LONG
References: <OEEIKNDBLMELKCPOIDJHKEFECMAA.tim@schreurprinting.com>
Message-ID: <021701c85397$986804a0$8302a8c0@Robbin>

Tim,

The prices I was given (not including shipping, installation and training - 
which would probably vary company to company) were $8425 for a friction feed 
and $12875 for an air-feed.

I believe these are standard Morgana prices for these models.

Susan Wells Compton
Compton Design & Printing Inc.
109 South Jefferson Steet
Lexington, VA 24450
540-463-9232
540-464-4329 Fax
Susan@cdandp.net
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> Would anyone share how much one of these machines cost. I am interested
> in upgrading to a faster method of production than our Kluge for
> perf/score/number.
>
> I will second the motion to buy air fed equipment. I am currently
> replacing my friction fed collator with an air fed model.
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
>
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From tim at schreurprinting.com  Thu Jan 10 12:29:32 2008
From: tim at schreurprinting.com (Tim Schreur)
Date: Thu Jan 10 12:29:46 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Ledger Corners
In-Reply-To: <20080110170004.0E0BED64EF6@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <OEEIKNDBLMELKCPOIDJHCEFGCMAA.tim@schreurprinting.com>

We have an RFQ with a request for Ledger Corners. Can someone
enlighten me on what a Ledger Corners is.

Thanks,
-----------
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From bryan at printpartnersinc.com  Thu Jan 10 12:42:30 2008
From: bryan at printpartnersinc.com (Bryan Hannon)
Date: Thu Jan 10 12:36:11 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Ledger Corners
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I am not the expert but we do a lot of ledger cards for medical.
My guess is they are just referring to simple round corners.
Thanks
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We have an RFQ with a request for Ledger Corners. Can someone
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From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Thu Jan 10 12:41:44 2008
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Thu Jan 10 12:42:02 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper Question
In-Reply-To: <021701c85397$986804a0$8302a8c0@Robbin>
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I have a little situation potentially brewing.  I have a client that  
goes through about 30K sheets of Fox River Crushed Leaf Text a month.   
Xpedx, tells me the paper is being discontinued.  My other paper  
companies (Lindenmeyr and Frank Parsons), tell me it will be available  
on the 31st, and not to worry.   I contacted Neenah (who makes the  
paper) via email, and they said an announcement would be made January  
21st about the paper.  When I called for further clarification, they  
said no announcement had been made, and as far as they knew there were  
no plans to discontinue it.

So two questions:

1.  Has anyone been in this type of situation before?  How often do  
paper's get discontinued, and with the limited information I've  
provided, do think this one will be?

2.  Does anyone know of a substitute?  It looks like a royal fiber  
paper, but has little shiny flecks in it.

Thanks.

Borzou Azabdaftari
Falcon Print and Copy
1921 Gallows Road
Suite 150
Vienna, VA 22182
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134
borzou@falconprintandcopy.com


From ron at printingconcepts.com  Thu Jan 10 13:40:05 2008
From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart)
Date: Thu Jan 10 13:32:32 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Morgana FRN (Also Count) LONG
In-Reply-To: <355587.70406.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHOEGHJNAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>

We have a number of friction feeders here for varied applications and of
course many suction feeders.  I would say we have more experience with them
than most commercial printers because we do a lot of unusual applications in
the bindery.

Expecting a friction feeder to work on coated stock is like Charlie Brown
expecting Lucy to hold the football so he can kick it.  You will always be
dissappointed.

You might be able to get it work in a demo, but it will always kick you in
the ass.



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You have underscored the main reason I do business with trusted vendors.
We've all seen the horror stories posted here by list members looking for
"bargains". We expect our vendors to stand behind what they sell. Your
earlier post indicated you were looking at a Morgana friction machine. I'm
not familiar with this particular unit but I would be very hesitant to buy a
friction feed anything since most of out digital and 4C press jobs are on
coated stocks. I would expect friction feeding to cause slipping and marking
when working with coated stock.

Ted Gelletly
Champion Printing
5401 New Expansion Drive
Eldersburg MD 21784
410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488
ted@championprintingonline.com


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Dear Greg,

The machine we got was a Number Pro. We got it from a company we regularly
deal with and have a good relationship with.  It was a machine that they had
ordered for someone else, who decided not to take it, so they gave me "a
good deal." I didn't realize it at the time, but I bet the reason he didn't
take it is because it is definitely an entry-level machine (no paper
thickness guides, etc.). Anyway, just after I placed the order, someone on
the list asked about perf/score machines and several people said, "I will
never buy a Count again." That scared me. Then they delivered the machine,
with someone to come out the next week to "install and train."

Well, the guy came out the next week and took several hours just to "set up
the machine" (he obviously knew very little about them).  I asked him, "Do
you work on Counts a lot?"  He said, "Only when I have to." After another
couple of hours, I went back to see how they were doing. He was packing up
and getting ready to leave. He said that he had showed my production manager
how to number on the machine (she concurred). I asked him about perfing and
scoring. He said (picking up a plastic bag that had not been opened), "You
put this on top of that," showing us, and I said, "I think you better go
completely through it for us."  Was he not going to show us how to
perf/score (one of the main reasons I was buying a machine?

Well, I decided I would give it a fair shake (just to make sure I didn't
like it because I really wanted a Morgana).  That was when may bindery
supervisor showed me that there was no way to set the paper thickness.   She
also pointed out that the machine was supposed to handle 12 x 18 paper, but
the guides wouldn't even open up enough to hold 17".

So I guess my main problem was me.  I should have done more research.   I
wasn't too thrilled with the lack of knowledge of the person who "installed
and trained," but I know, in his case (from previous experience), this is a
personnel issue and not a company issue.

Susan

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From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Thu Jan 10 14:42:34 2008
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Thu Jan 10 14:43:02 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Morgana FRN (Also Count) LONG
In-Reply-To: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHOEGHJNAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>
References: <355587.70406.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHOEGHJNAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0801101142s7cececa3lfd5d2eae85d40f1f@mail.gmail.com>

On Jan 10, 2008 1:40 PM, Ron Taggart <ron@printingconcepts.com> wrote:
>
> Expecting a friction feeder to work on coated stock is like Charlie Brown
> expecting Lucy to hold the football so he can kick it.  You will always be
> dissappointed.

Our friction-fed Rollem 990 has never disappointed on any stock, and
with tri-creaser wheels scores beautifully and accurately.

On the other hand, a friction-fed Horizon collator I bought many years
ago remains virtually unused -- and the salesman banned from ever
gracing my doorstep --  because of its total inability to feed any
paper that was printed two sides without marking. Since we don't see
too many single-sided booklets and newsletters, it hasn't been much
use.

No more friction-fed equipment here ever, as long as an air-feed is available.


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
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www.eSirSpeedy.com
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From char at themasterspress.com  Thu Jan 10 14:59:01 2008
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Thu Jan 10 14:59:34 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Morgana FRN (Also Count) LONG
In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0801101142s7cececa3lfd5d2eae85d40f1f@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <00a101c853c3$45ccd8c0$0b01a8c0@CharXP>

I had a friction feed collator also that just sat for years always thinking
it would change.  :-)  It never did.  I guess years ago when that was what
was available the marks were just accepted and we moved on.  I also will
never go back to a friction feed of anything after having air feeds. Spend
the extra money and buy what you can keep for many years without question.
It cost you less than $4.00 a day for the next three years and you will be
happy about it.
ch

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com


From sos at olympus.net  Thu Jan 10 15:15:05 2008
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Thu Jan 10 15:17:41 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Air feed Duplo
References: <355587.70406.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com><GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHOEGHJNAA.ron@printingconcepts.com><98f5b19a0801101142s7cececa3lfd5d2eae85d40f1f@mail.gmail.com>
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We are in the process of hand collating a booklet right now that just won't 
run on our AIR fed Duplo 10,000s towers.  The cover is 90 lb. index.  It 
picks up a sheet but then won't feed it, next time it does feed it, every 
other sheet feeds.  I've closed the outside suction cups, increased the 
spring prressure, closed the air bypass holes to concentrate the air, raised 
the little plastic push downers, done everything I can think of, still won't 
feed.  This is from the Cover bin set to heavy stock.  It's only 90 lb 
index.
The other bins miss feed pretty regularly as well on 70 lb uncoated text. 
These are 8.5 x 11 sheets.
It will feed 11x17 sheet flawlessly.  I did 1200 on 100 lb gloss using 8 
bins the other day and did not have a single miss feed.
Does anyone with a Duplo, have any advice how to get it to feed 8.5 inch 
wide sheets?

It's not just this one job.  It feeds 11 inch paper great.  But 8.5 inch 
paper is almost always a problem.

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860 


From dvmonto at optonline.net  Thu Jan 10 15:46:42 2008
From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto)
Date: Thu Jan 10 15:47:01 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Air feed Duplo
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c853c5$7d3c84c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL>
Message-ID: <C3ABEE62.2C2EA%dvmonto@optonline.net>

On 1/10/08 3:15 PM, "Dan Huntingford" <sos@olympus.net> wrote:

> It's not just this one job.  It feeds 11 inch paper great.  But 8.5 inch
> paper is almost always a problem.

Have you tries feeding 11" side first?


-- 
David V. Monto

Sir Speedy Printing
1837 South Road
Wappingers Falls, NY 12590

Phone:845-298-8898
Fax: 845-298-8537
email: dvmonto@optonline.net
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 - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943



From melissa at kwiksolutions.com  Thu Jan 10 16:09:59 2008
From: melissa at kwiksolutions.com (Melissa Uber)
Date: Thu Jan 10 16:10:21 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] does framemaker do fonts to outlines?
Message-ID: <017701c853cd$296a1bc0$3e00000a@Melissa>

We're doing a multi-language book job and we're having trouble with one of
the Chinese languages in the pdf. Client created the pdf file from Adobe
Framemaker - does anyone know if Framemaker can convert fonts to outlines so
I could recommend client convert to outlines before creating pdf?

 

Thanks!

Melissa

 

 

Melissa Uber

Kwik Solutions...Everything in Print!

 <mailto:melissa@kwiksolutions.com> melissa@kwiksolutions.com

 

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From pica18 at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 10 16:55:46 2008
From: pica18 at hotmail.com (s polk)
Date: Thu Jan 10 16:56:04 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper Question
In-Reply-To: <1368180E-0264-4509-8A54-C6D0F0346269@falconprintandcopy.com>
References: <OEEIKNDBLMELKCPOIDJHKEFECMAA.tim@schreurprinting.com>
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I suggest you negotiate a sale with your customer to buy all the available stock. And contact Mac Papers in Jax, FL if you don't have a local branch.
 
Steve
McKinsey Printing
Tryon, NC
mckinseyprinting@alltel.net> From: borzou@falconprintandcopy.com> To: printowners@printweb.org> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:41:44 -0500> Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper Question> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****> > I have a little situation potentially brewing. I have a client that > goes through about 30K sheets of Fox River Crushed Leaf Text a month. > Xpedx, tells me the paper is being discontinued. My other paper > companies (Lindenmeyr and Frank Parsons), tell me it will be available > on the 31st, and not to worry. I contacted Neenah (who makes the > paper) via email, and they said an announcement would be made January > 21st about the paper. When I called for further clarification, they > said no announcement had been made, and as far as they knew there were > no plans to discontinue it.> > So two questions:> > 1. Has anyone been in this type of situation before? How often do > paper's get discontinued, and with the limited information I've > provided, do think this one will be?> > 2. Does anyone know of a substitute? It looks like a royal fiber > paper, but has little shiny flecks in it.> > Thanks.> > Borzou Azabdaftari> Falcon Print and Copy> 1921 Gallows Road> Suite 150> Vienna, VA 22182> t.703.442.0124> f.703.442.0134> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com> > > _______________________________________________> PrintOwners Discussion List> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners> 
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From smc at sorrentomesa.com  Thu Jan 10 21:24:08 2008
From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel)
Date: Thu Jan 10 21:28:37 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] does framemaker do fonts to outlines?
In-Reply-To: <017701c853cd$296a1bc0$3e00000a@Melissa>
References: <017701c853cd$296a1bc0$3e00000a@Melissa>
Message-ID: <200801110228.m0B2SIrj021022@i2bnetworks.com>


No, it can't.

But this might help you read the PDF properly:

http://tinyurl.com/tqz2

just follow the instructions.

You'll have to use Reader, but hey, whatever it takes to get the job done.....

S.








At 01:09 PM 1/10/2008, you wrote:
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>We're doing a multi-language book job and we're having trouble with one of
>the Chinese languages in the pdf. Client created the pdf file from Adobe
>Framemaker - does anyone know if Framemaker can convert fonts to outlines so
>I could recommend client convert to outlines before creating pdf?
>
>
>
>Thanks!
>
>Melissa
>
>
>
>
>
>Melissa Uber
>
>Kwik Solutions...Everything in Print!
>
>  <mailto:melissa@kwiksolutions.com> melissa@kwiksolutions.com
>
>
>
>Jamestown - 20 W. 3rd St, Jamestown, NY 14701
>
>                    (716) 483-3227
>
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>
>                   (814) 726-5679
>
>
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From bob at gallagherprint.com  Fri Jan 11 09:42:52 2008
From: bob at gallagherprint.com (Bob Gallagher)
Date: Fri Jan 11 09:43:08 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Non reproducible blue
In-Reply-To: <200801110228.m0B2SIrj021022@i2bnetworks.com>
Message-ID: <C3ACEA9C.2B193%bob@gallagherprint.com>

We've got a job to print graph pads for an engineering firm. We need to
print the grid in a blue color that wont get picked up on a copier. Process
blue at around 20% used to work, but the newer machines can pick up almost
anything. Anyone found an ink color that still works?



Bob Gallagher
Gallagher Printing, Inc.
601 W. Main Street
Palmyra, PA 17078
717-838-1527
1-888-838-1527
Fax 717-838-5715
<bob@gallagherprint.com>
http://www.gallagherprint.com

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From bob at rjmprinting.com  Fri Jan 11 10:51:29 2008
From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek)
Date: Fri Jan 11 10:52:25 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Non reproducible blue
In-Reply-To: <C3ACEA9C.2B193%bob@gallagherprint.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000004997684@popp.net>

We use PMS 304 and we have had no complaints.

Bob Molacek
Sir Speedy Printing
7793 Ranchers Road
Fridley, MN  55432
763-571-4608
bob@rjmprinting.com
 
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Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:43 AM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] Non reproducible blue

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We've got a job to print graph pads for an engineering firm. We need to
print the grid in a blue color that wont get picked up on a copier. Process
blue at around 20% used to work, but the newer machines can pick up almost
anything. Anyone found an ink color that still works?



Bob Gallagher
Gallagher Printing, Inc.
601 W. Main Street
Palmyra, PA 17078
717-838-1527
1-888-838-1527
Fax 717-838-5715
<bob@gallagherprint.com>
http://www.gallagherprint.com

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From jgross at techiowa.com  Fri Jan 11 14:00:15 2008
From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross)
Date: Fri Jan 11 14:00:40 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Coolest thing I have seen lately
In-Reply-To: <002101c82b80$3dd7f2f0$0400000a@CraigNotebook>
Message-ID: <001e01c85484$36eee020$6900000a@tech.local>

Craig, thanks for the recommendation.  We have the painting and it's
being framed now.  I'll post the photo and painting when it comes back.
We love it.  I have a friend who recently lost a granddaughter who is
interested in a painting after he sees mine.  It will mean a lot to him.

John A. Gross
Technigraphics, Inc
Iowa City, Iowa 52240
  techiowa.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Craig Vestal
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:19 AM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] Coolest thing I have seen lately

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John,

I had your exact doubts about this. I will tell you just how cool and
real 
this is: My first order was for two of my trucks. The big box van has a
lot 
of lettering on the side (main reason we bought it) and here & there the

Chinese artist misspelled some words! The lettering is all quite
obviously 
hand-done. The two trucks are both wonderful, and quite different - they

were obviously painted in different styles by different artists.

I would not pay anyone for an ink-jet fake. I could make those myself,
if I 
wanted one.

I have since had a couple more done, most recently a portrait of my four

beautiful children. They are almost hyperrealistic (think Chuck Close).
You 
can smell the paint and see every blinkin brushstroke. The portrait was
more 
expensive, but it was much more complicated - I can detect the different

styles of at least 5 painters. I asked the company to paint their
portraits 
"like Gainsborough" (meaning texture, color, brushwork etc.). What that
I 
got was my oldest son is wearing a blue satin waistcoat and a white silk

cravat. HA!

Craig Vestal
President
Portage Printing
1116 W Centre, Portage, MI 49024
269.323.9333
PortagePrinting.com

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From info at aeroprinting.com  Fri Jan 11 15:41:26 2008
From: info at aeroprinting.com (Carl Core)
Date: Fri Jan 11 15:41:45 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Non reproducible blue
References: <C3ACEA9C.2B193%bob@gallagherprint.com>
Message-ID: <02b801c85492$57db08f0$6501a8c0@aero>

Try using opaque white with just a touch of process blue in it. This'll give 
you a nice full bodied ink that's easier to run than a fine screen or a 
vehicle only mix using transparent white. [Naturally, this only works if the 
stock you're printing it on is white also.]

David Core
Aero Printing, Inc.
710 Elida Ave
Delphos, OH 45833
Ph. 419-695-2931
Fax 419-695-9930
info@aeroprinting.com
www.aeroprinting.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Gallagher" <bob@gallagherprint.com>
To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:42 AM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Non reproducible blue


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> We've got a job to print graph pads for an engineering firm. We need to
> print the grid in a blue color that wont get picked up on a copier. 
> Process
> blue at around 20% used to work, but the newer machines can pick up almost
> anything. Anyone found an ink color that still works?
>
>
>
> Bob Gallagher
> Gallagher Printing, Inc.
> 601 W. Main Street
> Palmyra, PA 17078
> 717-838-1527
> 1-888-838-1527
> Fax 717-838-5715
> <bob@gallagherprint.com>
> http://www.gallagherprint.com
>
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From Susan at cdandp.net  Fri Jan 11 15:41:56 2008
From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton)
Date: Fri Jan 11 15:42:21 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Morgana FRN (Also Count) LONG
References: <355587.70406.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <049e01c85492$685d4300$8302a8c0@Robbin>

Thanks everyone!

My air-feed Morgana is on its way!

Susan Wells Compton
Compton Design & Printing Inc.
109 South Jefferson Steet
Lexington, VA 24450
540-463-9232
540-464-4329 Fax
Susan@cdandp.net
www.cdandp.net
From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com  Fri Jan 11 17:16:40 2008
From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau)
Date: Fri Jan 11 17:12:21 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Pantone  DS 62-1 C Red?????
Message-ID: <001101c8549f$a4fbd580$042967d3@kp4>

Good Afternoon,

We received a file from a customer indicating this as the darker red they want printed. We are unfamiliar with this? Is this maybe for a digital press? If so I would need to convert to a regular PMS. Is the customer inaccurate?

Any help would be appreciated.........Linda 
Linda Baribeau
Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc.
2041 West Mill Road
Glendale, WI  53209
Ph. 414-332-2080  Fax 414-964-3299
From kellycrom at gmail.com  Fri Jan 11 17:24:32 2008
From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics)
Date: Fri Jan 11 17:25:16 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Pantone  DS 62-1 C Red?????
In-Reply-To: <001101c8549f$a4fbd580$042967d3@kp4>
References: <001101c8549f$a4fbd580$042967d3@kp4>
Message-ID: <011d01c854a0$befb2610$6d01a8c0@KELLY>

DS 62-1 C is from the Pantone Process color guide - C=0, Y=90, M=100, K=20


Kelly Crom
Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.

We've Moved!!!
2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
Plymouth, MN  55441
New Phone:  (763)231-6970
kellycrom@gmail.com
www.applied-graphics.com 

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org 
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Linda Baribeau
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:17 PM
> To: printowners@printweb.org
> Subject: [PrintOwners] Pantone DS 62-1 C Red?????
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> Good Afternoon,
> 
> We received a file from a customer indicating this as the 
> darker red they want printed. We are unfamiliar with this? Is 
> this maybe for a digital press? If so I would need to convert 
> to a regular PMS. Is the customer inaccurate?
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.........Linda 
> Linda Baribeau
> Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc.
> 2041 West Mill Road
> Glendale, WI  53209
> Ph. 414-332-2080  Fax 414-964-3299
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From bernies at printnetusa.com  Fri Jan 11 17:54:19 2008
From: bernies at printnetusa.com (Bernie Schreiber)
Date: Fri Jan 11 17:54:35 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Pantone  DS 62-1 C Red?????
In-Reply-To: <001101c8549f$a4fbd580$042967d3@kp4>
Message-ID: <20080111225433.4A819D683DD@rb.enter.net>

Customer is not wrong

Must be printed with 4-Color Process

There are also some PMS nos. that differ.

DS 62-1 C according to:

Pantone Process Guide Coated

Is:    C-0   M-90  Y-100  K-20



-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Linda Baribeau
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:17 PM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] Pantone DS 62-1 C Red?????

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Good Afternoon,

We received a file from a customer indicating this as the darker red they
want printed. We are unfamiliar with this? Is this maybe for a digital
press? If so I would need to convert to a regular PMS. Is the customer
inaccurate?

Any help would be appreciated.........Linda 
Linda Baribeau
Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc.
2041 West Mill Road
Glendale, WI  53209
Ph. 414-332-2080  Fax 414-964-3299
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From smc at sorrentomesa.com  Fri Jan 11 18:11:15 2008
From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel)
Date: Fri Jan 11 18:15:39 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] For all my Kalifornia comrades
In-Reply-To: <20080111225433.4A819D683DD@rb.enter.net>
References: <001101c8549f$a4fbd580$042967d3@kp4>
	<20080111225433.4A819D683DD@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <200801112315.m0BNFO9V057374@i2bnetworks.com>



Follow the links, print out the sample notice, hand to employee.

Have a nice Kalifornia day....

S.




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From rmeier at goinsty.com  Fri Jan 11 18:20:24 2008
From: rmeier at goinsty.com (R. Meier)
Date: Fri Jan 11 18:20:42 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Pantone  DS 62-1 C Red?????
In-Reply-To: <20080111225433.4A819D683DD@rb.enter.net>
References: <20080111225433.4A819D683DD@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <4787F9B8.8040704@goinsty.com>

I've never tried this, but could you just mix the cmyk inks in that same 
ratio to create a spot color?


Bernie Schreiber wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Customer is not wrong
>
> Must be printed with 4-Color Process
>
> There are also some PMS nos. that differ.
>
> DS 62-1 C according to:
>
> Pantone Process Guide Coated
>
> Is:    C-0   M-90  Y-100  K-20
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Linda Baribeau
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:17 PM
> To: printowners@printweb.org
> Subject: [PrintOwners] Pantone DS 62-1 C Red?????
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Good Afternoon,
>
> We received a file from a customer indicating this as the darker red they
> want printed. We are unfamiliar with this? Is this maybe for a digital
> press? If so I would need to convert to a regular PMS. Is the customer
> inaccurate?
>
> Any help would be appreciated.........Linda 
> Linda Baribeau
> Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc.
> 2041 West Mill Road
> Glendale, WI  53209
> Ph. 414-332-2080  Fax 414-964-3299
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>   


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From greg at pressexpress.org  Fri Jan 11 18:47:16 2008
From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Fri Jan 11 18:47:34 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash
Message-ID: <2302A261-5C10-4F7F-90E9-FAA4E4AEE595@pressexpress.org>

I know I am suppose to leave the survey's to the experts (Mr. Stewart)  
but I was wondering what shops are charging this year for a color wash  
for a Heidelberg QM2.  And whether they are rural.

Any replies would be appreciated

Thanks

Greg

Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org

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From sos at olympus.net  Fri Jan 11 19:00:59 2008
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Fri Jan 11 19:03:33 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash
References: <2302A261-5C10-4F7F-90E9-FAA4E4AEE595@pressexpress.org>
Message-ID: <022601c854ae$36a3db50$6900a8c0@DANIEL>

---- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Weinfurter" <greg@pressexpress.org>
wondering what shops are charging this year for a color wash
> for a Heidelberg QM2.  And whether they are rural.
===================

That's a very good question.  I'm rural, if that matters.  We charge for 12 
minutes at $75.00 per hour which then gets marked up (if I understand how 
PrintSmith works, which is unfortunately very doubtful) 55% or multiplied by 
1.55.
I think it's $23.25

I have other press definitions with different markups however.  But that's 
our most usual.

Hope that helps.

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860 


From joseph at mauiprintworks.com  Fri Jan 11 19:12:05 2008
From: joseph at mauiprintworks.com (Joseph Marsh)
Date: Fri Jan 11 19:12:30 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash
In-Reply-To: <022601c854ae$36a3db50$6900a8c0@DANIEL>
References: <2302A261-5C10-4F7F-90E9-FAA4E4AEE595@pressexpress.org>
	<022601c854ae$36a3db50$6900a8c0@DANIEL>
Message-ID: <0F8984F0-C2AA-49D7-AF2C-99918EF0F9AA@mauiprintworks.com>

Dan -
Do you also charge for the PMS color as a separate charge?  We charge  
$35 for a PMS mix or $25 for a standard color.  This would include  
the wash up.

Joseph

On Jan 11, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> ---- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Weinfurter"  
> <greg@pressexpress.org>
> wondering what shops are charging this year for a color wash
>> for a Heidelberg QM2.  And whether they are rural.
> ===================
>
> That's a very good question.  I'm rural, if that matters.  We  
> charge for 12 minutes at $75.00 per hour which then gets marked up  
> (if I understand how PrintSmith works, which is unfortunately very  
> doubtful) 55% or multiplied by 1.55.
> I think it's $23.25
>
> I have other press definitions with different markups however.  But  
> that's our most usual.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Dan Huntingford
> SOS Printing
> 2319 Washington Street
> Port Townsend, WA 98368
> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF
> sos@olympus.net
> (360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860
>
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Joseph Marsh
Maui Print Works
Phone: 808-242-6634
Fax: 808-242-8967
Cell: 808-264-6382
joseph@mauiprintworks.com



From championprinting at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 11 19:16:42 2008
From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly)
Date: Fri Jan 11 19:17:15 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash
Message-ID: <140893.1077.qm@web38914.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If  you go first, I'll join in. Not particularly interested in a brand name press, but a portrait feed duplicator style press.
 
Ted Gelletly
Champion Printing
5401 New Expansion Drive
Eldersburg MD 21784
410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488
ted@championprintingonline.com


----- Original Message ----
From: Greg Weinfurter <greg@pressexpress.org>
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:47:16 PM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I know I am suppose to leave the survey's to the experts (Mr. Stewart)   
but I was wondering what shops are charging this year for a color wash   
for a Heidelberg QM2.  And whether they are rural.

Any replies would be appreciated

Thanks

Greg

Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org

Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider
Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider


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From sos at olympus.net  Fri Jan 11 19:31:08 2008
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Fri Jan 11 19:33:36 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Pantone  DS 62-1 C Red?????
References: <20080111225433.4A819D683DD@rb.enter.net>
	<4787F9B8.8040704@goinsty.com>
Message-ID: <023f01c854b2$6d214d30$6900a8c0@DANIEL>


> I've never tried this, but could you just mix the cmyk inks in that same
> ratio to create a spot color?
=====================

That's a good idea.  Try it and let us know, so we don't all waste ink.  I'm 
thinking you'd get a brownish mush, cause you'd be mixing 100% colors, not 
printing screens that create a nice rosette pattern, with nice thin 
transparent dots.
But I'm just guessing.

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860 


From sos at olympus.net  Fri Jan 11 19:39:29 2008
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Fri Jan 11 19:41:55 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash
References: <2302A261-5C10-4F7F-90E9-FAA4E4AEE595@pressexpress.org><022601c854ae$36a3db50$6900a8c0@DANIEL>
	<0F8984F0-C2AA-49D7-AF2C-99918EF0F9AA@mauiprintworks.com>
Message-ID: <024e01c854b3$97842c40$6900a8c0@DANIEL>


> Dan -
> Do you also charge for the PMS color as a separate charge?  We charge  $35 
> for a PMS mix or $25 for a standard color.  This would include  the wash 
> up.
=====================

Yes, we charge separately for a PMS mix,  an extra $20  or $43.25, but for a 
true PMS Match more critical color, we charge an extra $45  or total with 
wash $67.25.

Metallic's we add $40.

I sometimes give color away FREE just to get them hooked on it.  Once you 
print their newsletter or whatever in two colors instead of just one, they 
often choose to go for it next time.  I've converted a few from two color to 
full color with a freebie as well.

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860



From bob at gallagherprint.com  Sat Jan 12 08:11:59 2008
From: bob at gallagherprint.com (Bob Gallagher)
Date: Sat Jan 12 08:12:13 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Non reproducible blue
In-Reply-To: <02b801c85492$57db08f0$6501a8c0@aero>
Message-ID: <C3AE26CF.2B1F2%bob@gallagherprint.com>

On 1/11/08 3:41 PM, "Carl Core" <info@aeroprinting.com> wrote:

Did some checking with Pantone and they recommend PMS 304. Ran some test
sheets and couldn't pick it up on our KM6500. Thanks for the replies.


Bob Gallagher
Gallagher Printing, Inc.
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From list at interiorgraphics.com  Sat Jan 12 13:00:14 2008
From: list at interiorgraphics.com (Michelle at Interior Graphics)
Date: Sat Jan 12 13:00:47 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Fix" for feeder rollers on C500
Message-ID: <7B414BD2-4BF9-4D7B-8095-7DABE1C2910C@interiorgraphics.com>

Don't know if anyone is in on the weekend or not, but if you are and  
you know a "fix" for feeder rollers that are worn out and can't be  
replaced until Monday, I'll try 'em.  Thanks!

From list at interiorgraphics.com  Sat Jan 12 13:00:56 2008
From: list at interiorgraphics.com (Michelle at Interior Graphics)
Date: Sat Jan 12 13:01:15 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Fwd: "Fix" for feeder rollers on C500
References: <7B414BD2-4BF9-4D7B-8095-7DABE1C2910C@interiorgraphics.com>
Message-ID: <55D91175-AC72-47DD-8641-0F5F5A73C98A@interiorgraphics.com>

Sorry - it took my signature off when I changed accounts to send  
from.  :)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Michelle Maynor
"Your Personal Printer"
Interior Graphics & Printing
770 8th Avenue
Fairbanks, AK 99701
907.456.4982 phone
907.452.6992 fax

"The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the  
most." - John Ruskin



Begin forwarded message:

> From: Michelle at Interior Graphics <list@interiorgraphics.com>
> Date: January 12, 2008 9:00:14 AM AKST
> To: Printowners <printowners@printweb.org>
> Subject: "Fix" for feeder rollers on C500
>
> Don't know if anyone is in on the weekend or not, but if you are  
> and you know a "fix" for feeder rollers that are worn out and can't  
> be replaced until Monday, I'll try 'em.  Thanks!
>

From robin at protypeonline.com  Sat Jan 12 17:13:19 2008
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Sat Jan 12 17:13:32 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Color Wash
Message-ID: <6554492B-85AD-48E8-A36C-32AB79338995@protypeonline.com>

Greg,
I don't believe anyone on this list is more rural than I am -- that  
could be another contest! :)
We charge $25 for a press wash on our QM46-2. Not sure about PMS ink  
mix. Do you think you are charging too much or too little?
And, why does it matter if you are rural or ??? urban, suburban, city  
or planet X ?
robin

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com



From dominick at fmtc.com  Sat Jan 12 18:09:07 2008
From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing)
Date: Sat Jan 12 18:09:24 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Rural: was   Color Wash
In-Reply-To: <6554492B-85AD-48E8-A36C-32AB79338995@protypeonline.com>
References: <6554492B-85AD-48E8-A36C-32AB79338995@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <47894893.2020500@fmtc.com>

OK Robin,
I'm up for the challenge of "most rural"...

But first, $35 for color change, and full price for a pound of PMS ink 
($75.00) PLUS the wash.

So for example, our house color is PMS 199 Red. $35 extra for #199 Red 
on white, VS black on white. If you want PMS 185 Red, gonna cost you 
$110 for the color and wash. (not a standard color for us).

By the way, this is per Head (we have a 2 color 3302).

So, 65 miles from a "real city". Population 11,000 here. How about you?

Joe Dominick

Dominick's Quality Printing
542 W. Idaho Avenue
Ontario Oregon 97914
541.881.1121
Fax 541.881.1599

www.dominicksprinting.com
dominick@fmtc.com

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Robin Niewold wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Greg,
> I don't believe anyone on this list is more rural than I am -- that 
> could be another contest! :)
> We charge $25 for a press wash on our QM46-2. Not sure about PMS ink 
> mix. Do you think you are charging too much or too little?
> And, why does it matter if you are rural or ??? urban, suburban, city 
> or planet X ?
> robin
>
> Robin Niewold
> Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
> 130 N. Market Street
> Paxton, IL 60957
> 217.379.4715
> robin@protypeonline.com
>
>
>
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>
>
From brian at designotype.com  Sat Jan 12 20:22:47 2008
From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen)
Date: Sat Jan 12 19:22:07 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Color Wash
References: <6554492B-85AD-48E8-A36C-32AB79338995@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <001401c85582$cebcd390$0200a8c0@Brian>

We are at $22 for a press wash on a Hamada 2 color with common blanket... of 
course $44 for 2 heads.
Robin let me know when you have the rural contest

Brian Helminen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robin Niewold" <robin@protypeonline.com>
To: "printowners printowners" <PrintOwners@printweb.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 4:13 PM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Color Wash


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Greg,
> I don't believe anyone on this list is more rural than I am -- that  could 
> be another contest! :)
> We charge $25 for a press wash on our QM46-2. Not sure about PMS ink  mix. 
> Do you think you are charging too much or too little?
> And, why does it matter if you are rural or ??? urban, suburban, city  or 
> planet X ?
> robin
>
> Robin Niewold
> Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
> 130 N. Market Street
> Paxton, IL 60957
> 217.379.4715
> robin@protypeonline.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
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> 

From info at desktopsxm.com  Sun Jan 13 08:33:33 2008
From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint)
Date: Sun Jan 13 08:33:04 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] mac OS leopard
In-Reply-To: <C3AE26CF.2B1F2%bob@gallagherprint.com>
References: <C3AE26CF.2B1F2%bob@gallagherprint.com>
Message-ID: <214A3AEC-E067-4E66-968D-DF98F2B76887@desktopsxm.com>

Has anyone upgraded to, or is using leopard?
pros cons etc.?


Joel Brint
Desktop Imaging
St. Maarten
Tel 542-4044
fax 543-1100

"The Printshop with a Difference"

From bob at bergey.net  Sun Jan 13 13:06:45 2008
From: bob at bergey.net (Bob Bergey)
Date: Sun Jan 13 13:06:53 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] mac OS leopard
In-Reply-To: <214A3AEC-E067-4E66-968D-DF98F2B76887@desktopsxm.com>
References: <C3AE26CF.2B1F2%bob@gallagherprint.com>
	<214A3AEC-E067-4E66-968D-DF98F2B76887@desktopsxm.com>
Message-ID: <p06240802c3affeb49dc1@[192.168.1.103]>

At 9:33 AM -0400 on 1/13/08, Joel Brint wrote:

>  Has anyone upgraded to, or is using leopard?
>  pros cons etc.?

I wouldn't rush into it just yet, based on my experience.

If you're using any machines that do NOT have the newer Intel chips, 
stay on Tiger -- there are lots of problems with the pre-Intel Macs 
on Leopard.

Make sure your critical apps have been upgraded where necessary to 
run on Leopard. Last I knew (a week or two ago) Photoshop wasn't 
fully compatible yet (mostly an issue with the Web Gallery feature, I 
believe). Nikon Capture NX (photo processing software) and the great 
backup program, SuperDuper, are not Leopard ready yet (two apps 
important to me) ... and I'm sure there are others.

And the "new" iCal UI is horrible in Leopard, in my opinion. Most of 
you probably don't use that, but I use it a lot, and will stick with 
the Tiger version until they make the new Leopard iCal user interface 
more user friendly.

Tiger also runs faster, I think, on pre-Intel machines, but the 
reverse may be true on Intel-equipped Macs. Other nice features of 
Leopard include Spaces, and the upgraded Spotlight finally works the 
way we always wanted it to -- super fast. I'm not thrilled with the 
Time Machine backup software, but some like it. Make sure you have a 
Leopard-ready backup scheme if you're not going to use Time Machine.

After two months on Leopard, I downgraded my pre-Intel PowerBook back 
to Tiger, and am much happier. But Apple does not make it easy to 
downgrade -- it's a painful process. Fortunately there is a lot of 
help online on best ways to downgrade from Leopard to Tiger, plus I 
had good backups yet both pre- and post-Leopard, so I didn't lose 
anything except a lot of time.

Just my thoughts.

Bob
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From Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au  Sun Jan 13 18:31:58 2008
From: Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au (Harry Brelsford)
Date: Sun Jan 13 18:32:26 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] mac OS leopard
In-Reply-To: <214A3AEC-E067-4E66-968D-DF98F2B76887@desktopsxm.com>
References: <C3AE26CF.2B1F2%bob@gallagherprint.com>
	<214A3AEC-E067-4E66-968D-DF98F2B76887@desktopsxm.com>
Message-ID: <a06230900c3b04f23fd92@[192.168.0.160]>


Joel,

We have a couple of  24" Intel Macs. One with old Tiger and one with 
the new Leopard. We are having serious printer driver issues to our 
color machines from Leopard plus a few font issues that do not occur 
with same fonts on the Tiger Mac. Waiting for a re-write of the 
printer drivers.

Regards

Harry

>Has anyone upgraded to, or is using leopard?
>pros cons etc.?
>
>
>Joel Brint
>Desktop Imaging
>St. Maarten
>Tel 542-4044
>fax 543-1100
>
>"The Printshop with a Difference"
>
>_______________________________________________
>PrintOwners Discussion List
>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners

From mmpanderson at gmail.com  Sun Jan 13 20:03:17 2008
From: mmpanderson at gmail.com (Danny Ross)
Date: Sun Jan 13 20:03:31 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] mac OS leopard
In-Reply-To: <a06230900c3b04f23fd92@192.168.0.160>
References: <C3AE26CF.2B1F2%bob@gallagherprint.com>
	<214A3AEC-E067-4E66-968D-DF98F2B76887@desktopsxm.com>
	<a06230900c3b04f23fd92@192.168.0.160>
Message-ID: <6f85218f0801131703o333116a0tcf46af18d7005555@mail.gmail.com>

We have had font issues and also Konica does not have a driver for the
C500 unless our techs say it is not available.



On 1/13/08, Harry Brelsford <Harry@varsitygraphics.com.au> wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>
> Joel,
>
> We have a couple of  24" Intel Macs. One with old Tiger and one with
> the new Leopard. We are having serious printer driver issues to our
> color machines from Leopard plus a few font issues that do not occur
> with same fonts on the Tiger Mac. Waiting for a re-write of the
> printer drivers.
>
> Regards
>
> Harry
>
> >Has anyone upgraded to, or is using leopard?
> >pros cons etc.?
> >
> >
> >Joel Brint
> >Desktop Imaging
> >St. Maarten
> >Tel 542-4044
> >fax 543-1100
> >
> >"The Printshop with a Difference"
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >PrintOwners Discussion List
> >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
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> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
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>


-- 
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Minuteman Press
Anderson, SC
864-224-9115
dross@minutemanpress.com
From Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au  Sun Jan 13 21:18:27 2008
From: Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au (Harry Brelsford)
Date: Sun Jan 13 21:18:48 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] mac OS leopard
In-Reply-To: <6f85218f0801131703o333116a0tcf46af18d7005555@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C3AE26CF.2B1F2%bob@gallagherprint.com>
	<214A3AEC-E067-4E66-968D-DF98F2B76887@desktopsxm.com>
	<a06230900c3b04f23fd92@192.168.0.160>
	<6f85218f0801131703o333116a0tcf46af18d7005555@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a06230901c3b076c146b1@[192.168.0.160]>


Just got this from Jack Edwards

Harry,

I can't post to printowners anymore but I still get everything. I've 
been using an Intel Mac Pro with Leopard for approx 1 month now and 
I've experienced very few problems.

The font problems I've encountered were fixed by opening Font Book 
and fixing the preferences. I think it had to do with the auto 
activation and I just turned that off.

As far as print drivers, we do everything to pdf  and that hasn't 
been a problem with Leopard. As a matter of fact, I think it has been 
the most non-eventful Mac system upgrade so far.

Feel free to post this for me if you want to.

Jack Edwards
-- 


Harry Brelsford

Varsity Graphics
Shop 2 - 195 Varsity Parade
Varsity Lakes QLD 4227
Australia
Ph: 61 7 5575 9417
Fax: 61 7 5575 8091
Harry@VarsityGraphics.com.au
From Susan at cdandp.net  Sun Jan 13 21:25:42 2008
From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton)
Date: Sun Jan 13 21:26:08 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] mac OS leopard -  Now Jack Edwards
References: <C3AE26CF.2B1F2%bob@gallagherprint.com><214A3AEC-E067-4E66-968D-DF98F2B76887@desktopsxm.com><a06230900c3b04f23fd92@192.168.0.160><6f85218f0801131703o333116a0tcf46af18d7005555@mail.gmail.com>
	<a06230901c3b076c146b1@[192.168.0.160]>
Message-ID: <007e01c85654$c3055f90$8302a8c0@Robbin>

Is Jack's dilemma a technical issue or a censoring issue?

If it's a technical issue, someone needs to help him get it fixed.

If it is a censoring issue, I'm afraid I don't know the details, but I'd 
like to see him come back.  He often had good information,and his life story 
was fascinating.

Bring Jack Back!

Susan Wells Compton
Compton Design & Printing Inc.
109 South Jefferson Steet
Lexington, VA 24450
540-463-9232
540-464-4329 Fax
Susan@cdandp.net
www.cdandp.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Harry Brelsford" <Harry@VarsityGraphics.com.au>
To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] mac OS leopard


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>
> Just got this from Jack Edwards
>
> Harry,
>
> I can't post to printowners anymore but I still get everything. I've been 
> using an Intel Mac Pro with Leopard for approx 1 month now and I've 
> experienced very few problems.
>
> The font problems I've encountered were fixed by opening Font Book and 
> fixing the preferences. I think it had to do with the auto activation and 
> I just turned that off.
>
> As far as print drivers, we do everything to pdf  and that hasn't been a 
> problem with Leopard. As a matter of fact, I think it has been the most 
> non-eventful Mac system upgrade so far.
>
> Feel free to post this for me if you want to.
>
> Jack Edwards
> -- 
>
>
> Harry Brelsford
>
> Varsity Graphics
> Shop 2 - 195 Varsity Parade
> Varsity Lakes QLD 4227
> Australia
> Ph: 61 7 5575 9417
> Fax: 61 7 5575 8091
> Harry@VarsityGraphics.com.au
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From Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au  Sun Jan 13 21:29:19 2008
From: Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au (Harry Brelsford)
Date: Sun Jan 13 21:29:37 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] mac OS leopard
In-Reply-To: <6f85218f0801131703o333116a0tcf46af18d7005555@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C3AE26CF.2B1F2%bob@gallagherprint.com>
	<214A3AEC-E067-4E66-968D-DF98F2B76887@desktopsxm.com>
	<a06230900c3b04f23fd92@192.168.0.160>
	<6f85218f0801131703o333116a0tcf46af18d7005555@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a06230902c3b076fb543a@[192.168.0.160]>


Thanks Jack, had not seen your posts for a while.

Ours are the 24" iMac. We got one and were happy so got another a 
couple of months later. Meanwhile they had changed to Leopard. The 
main problem is when printing from anything CS3 to our Canon Color 
5180's (with H1 rip) the first copy is fine but if we print more than 
one of the same image the second and additional images rotate 90 
degrees. Paper orientation stays the same but image rotates. Print 
the same file from the other 24" and all is well.

This was late last year and Canon have gone away to fix the problem.

Cheers

Harry

>
>Harry,
>
>I can't post to printowners anymore but I still get everything. I've 
>been using an Intel Mac Pro with Leopard for approx 1 month now and 
>I've experienced very few problems.
>
>The font problems I've encountered were fixed by opening Font Book 
>and fixing the preferences. I think it had to do with the auto 
>activation and I just turned that off.
>
>As far as print drivers, we do everything to pdf  and that hasn't 
>been a problem with Leopard. As a matter of fact, I think it has 
>been the most non-eventful Mac system upgrade so far.
>
>Feel free to post this for me if you want to.
>
>Jack Edwards

-- 
Harry Brelsford

Varsity Graphics
Shop 2 - 195 Varsity Parade
Varsity Lakes QLD 4227
Australia
Ph: 61 7 5575 9417
Fax: 61 7 5575 8091
Harry@VarsityGraphics.com.au
From robin at protypeonline.com  Sun Jan 13 21:42:26 2008
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Sun Jan 13 21:42:40 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Rural: was   Color Wash (Dominick's Printing)
Message-ID: <2C7649F1-1C35-45E3-B867-F09A6AD4A4B6@protypeonline.com>

HA!!!! You lose big time Joe!!! And Brian, I think you'll lose also!

Paxton has a population of 4,200 and that count was taken one  
Christmas Day when all visiting relatives and pets were counted.

Our school district covers well OVER 400 square miles ...that is a 20  
mile x 20 mile square -- and still we have only 1500 students in
grades k-12 in CUSD#10.

Nearest biggest city is a college town, Champaign, University of  
Illinois, 30 miles from Paxton. Take out the students, 35,000 of them  
and you have another small town. I'm the only printer in  
Paxton....other one (27 years ago some of the employees at this shop  
told me I would go broke or they would run me out of business) closed  
its doors last August. They also published two local newspapers, one  
of which was the smallest daily newspaper in the entire state of  
Illinois! 4 page newspaper every day!!!!

Can you top that? 11,000? We don't have that many residents in Ford  
County. Paxton is the county seat, home to the Ford County Courthouse.  
Local hospital .....30 beds is located 12 miles from Paxton in Gibson  
City where residents are still angry they didn't "win" the battle for  
the Courthouse...but did get a "mini" McDonald's. Grocery  
store.....about 5 years ago they thought they were cutting edge when  
they made BAGELS, only frozen, available to customers.

Okay....the contest is ON.............who has a printing business  
located in a community more rural than Paxton, IL?????

:)
robin



Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com



From brian at designotype.com  Mon Jan 14 01:16:40 2008
From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen)
Date: Mon Jan 14 00:16:03 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Rural: was   Color Wash (Dominick's Printing)
References: <2C7649F1-1C35-45E3-B867-F09A6AD4A4B6@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c85675$07229b50$0200a8c0@Brian>

Robin:
Draw a circle with a 7 mile radius with us in the middle and you will have 
less than 20,000. Make that a 4 mile radius and there are MAYBE 200 (yes, 
200 not 2000)
Our mailing address is Calumet, but we are 6 miles south of Calumet, pop of 
1000. Laurium borders Calumet and uses the same zip code, but has own post 
office with a population of 3000.
5 miles south of us are two other boarding towns of Houghton and Hancock, 
with a total population of 12,000 not including 6000 college students during 
the school year. We are literally "in the sticks" on the highway between 
small towns... the nearest building is 1/2 mile up the road. Oh, I forgot, 
there are 2 houses behind us through the trees a few acres away.
There are 3 other printers here, covering our county with a total pop of 
35,000. Boy this is depressing! 35,000 divided by 4 printers = only 7000 
people per printer!

I feel kind of funny trying to brag about how rural we are because after all 
why would anybody in their right mind try to operate a high overhead 
business like a print shop where there are no people?
Oh well, we're happy here (I was just joking about the depressing part) with 
ski hill nearby and living at the lake in the summers.
Check it out here: http://www.city-data.com/city/Houghton-Michigan.html

Brian Helminen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robin Niewold" <robin@protypeonline.com>
To: "printowners printowners" <PrintOwners@printweb.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 8:42 PM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Rural: was Color Wash (Dominick's Printing)


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> HA!!!! You lose big time Joe!!! And Brian, I think you'll lose also!
>
> Paxton has a population of 4,200 and that count was taken one  Christmas 
> Day when all visiting relatives and pets were counted.
>
> Our school district covers well OVER 400 square miles ...that is a 20 
> mile x 20 mile square -- and still we have only 1500 students in
> grades k-12 in CUSD#10.
>
> Nearest biggest city is a college town, Champaign, University of 
> Illinois, 30 miles from Paxton. Take out the students, 35,000 of them  and 
> you have another small town. I'm the only printer in  Paxton....other one 
> (27 years ago some of the employees at this shop  told me I would go broke 
> or they would run me out of business) closed  its doors last August. They 
> also published two local newspapers, one  of which was the smallest daily 
> newspaper in the entire state of  Illinois! 4 page newspaper every day!!!!
>
> Can you top that? 11,000? We don't have that many residents in Ford 
> County. Paxton is the county seat, home to the Ford County Courthouse. 
> Local hospital .....30 beds is located 12 miles from Paxton in Gibson 
> City where residents are still angry they didn't "win" the battle for  the 
> Courthouse...but did get a "mini" McDonald's. Grocery  store.....about 5 
> years ago they thought they were cutting edge when  they made BAGELS, only 
> frozen, available to customers.
>
> Okay....the contest is ON.............who has a printing business  located 
> in a community more rural than Paxton, IL?????
>
> :)
> robin
>
>
>
> Robin Niewold
> Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
> 130 N. Market Street
> Paxton, IL 60957
> 217.379.4715
> robin@protypeonline.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jeff at hprinting.biz  Mon Jan 14 09:15:51 2008
From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines)
Date: Mon Jan 14 09:16:00 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash
In-Reply-To: <2302A261-5C10-4F7F-90E9-FAA4E4AEE595@pressexpress.org>
References: <2302A261-5C10-4F7F-90E9-FAA4E4AEE595@pressexpress.org>
Message-ID: <20080114141546.2290.20401@hm-pop1.solinus.com>


>We charge $17 for a press wash and another $17 if it is a PMS mix.


Jeff

Haines Printing Co.
10575 W. Main Rd.
North East, PA 16428
(814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244
email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz  
From bernies at printnetusa.com  Mon Jan 14 10:01:42 2008
From: bernies at printnetusa.com (Bernie Schreiber)
Date: Mon Jan 14 10:02:00 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Pantone  DS 62-1 C Red?????
In-Reply-To: <4787F9B8.8040704@goinsty.com>
Message-ID: <20080114150159.37211D6EE9C@rb.enter.net>

Can't answer that.
 We only use a KM-6500 - no 4-color presses.

I believe these pantone nos. are set up for"Digital",
That is where the "d" comes from

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of R. Meier
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:20 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Pantone DS 62-1 C Red?????

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I've never tried this, but could you just mix the cmyk inks in that same 
ratio to create a spot color?


Bernie Schreiber wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Customer is not wrong
>
> Must be printed with 4-Color Process
>
> There are also some PMS nos. that differ.
>
> DS 62-1 C according to:
>
> Pantone Process Guide Coated
>
> Is:    C-0   M-90  Y-100  K-20
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Linda Baribeau
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:17 PM
> To: printowners@printweb.org
> Subject: [PrintOwners] Pantone DS 62-1 C Red?????
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Good Afternoon,
>
> We received a file from a customer indicating this as the darker red they
> want printed. We are unfamiliar with this? Is this maybe for a digital
> press? If so I would need to convert to a regular PMS. Is the customer
> inaccurate?
>
> Any help would be appreciated.........Linda 
> Linda Baribeau
> Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc.
> 2041 West Mill Road
> Glendale, WI  53209
> Ph. 414-332-2080  Fax 414-964-3299
> _______________________________________________
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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>
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>
>
>
>   


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From greg at pressexpress.org  Mon Jan 14 10:06:33 2008
From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Mon Jan 14 10:07:34 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash
In-Reply-To: <140893.1077.qm@web38914.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <140893.1077.qm@web38914.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8907C90A-450A-4FB7-AD66-9034836FDF99@pressexpress.org>

Fair enough

$20.00 color wash

$5.00 pms mix

--

Raised it to:

$25.00 color wash

$10.00 pms mix

Greg


On Jan 11, 2008, at 6:16 PM, Ted Gelletly wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> If  you go first, I'll join in. Not particularly interested in a  
> brand name press, but a portrait feed duplicator style press.
>
> Ted Gelletly
> Champion Printing
> 5401 New Expansion Drive
> Eldersburg MD 21784
> 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488
> ted@championprintingonline.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Greg Weinfurter <greg@pressexpress.org>
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only <printowners@printweb.org 
> >
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:47:16 PM
> Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I know I am suppose to leave the survey's to the experts (Mr. Stewart)
> but I was wondering what shops are charging this year for a color wash
> for a Heidelberg QM2.  And whether they are rural.
>
> Any replies would be appreciated
>
> Thanks
>
> Greg
>
> Press Express
> 1869 N. Stevens St.
> Rhinelander, WI 54501
> Phone 715-362-2828
> Fax 715-369-2828
> info@pressexpress.org
>
> Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider
> Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider
>
>
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Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org

Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider
Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider


From greg at pressexpress.org  Mon Jan 14 10:18:46 2008
From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Mon Jan 14 10:19:16 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Color Wash
In-Reply-To: <6554492B-85AD-48E8-A36C-32AB79338995@protypeonline.com>
References: <6554492B-85AD-48E8-A36C-32AB79338995@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <4464465F-E608-453F-A5E0-76B7C9057D81@pressexpress.org>

Good question.

First, I am charging too little.   The shop around the street has  
little pricing structure and quite often doesn't charge for color.   
And yes he is still in business (for over 20 years).  I know I have a  
better product than he does so I am not too concerned about his  
pricing ethics, but I still get some complaints when people walk over  
to us.

Second, rural/planet X.  It seems from experience that city prices can  
sometimes be a bit more than rural.

Greg


On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:13 PM, Robin Niewold wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Greg,
> I don't believe anyone on this list is more rural than I am -- that  
> could be another contest! :)
> We charge $25 for a press wash on our QM46-2. Not sure about PMS ink  
> mix. Do you think you are charging too much or too little?
> And, why does it matter if you are rural or ??? urban, suburban,  
> city or planet X ?
> robin
>
> Robin Niewold
> Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
> 130 N. Market Street
> Paxton, IL 60957
> 217.379.4715
> robin@protypeonline.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners


Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org

Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider
Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider


From greg at pressexpress.org  Mon Jan 14 10:20:08 2008
From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Mon Jan 14 10:20:32 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Rural: was   Color Wash
In-Reply-To: <47894893.2020500@fmtc.com>
References: <6554492B-85AD-48E8-A36C-32AB79338995@protypeonline.com>
	<47894893.2020500@fmtc.com>
Message-ID: <17D18083-ACA4-447F-8AB1-B5D037FDB295@pressexpress.org>

Ours is 11,000 for the entire county.

Greg

On Jan 12, 2008, at 5:09 PM, Dominick's Printing wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> OK Robin,
> I'm up for the challenge of "most rural"...
>
> But first, $35 for color change, and full price for a pound of PMS  
> ink ($75.00) PLUS the wash.
>
> So for example, our house color is PMS 199 Red. $35 extra for #199  
> Red on white, VS black on white. If you want PMS 185 Red, gonna cost  
> you $110 for the color and wash. (not a standard color for us).
>
> By the way, this is per Head (we have a 2 color 3302).
>
> So, 65 miles from a "real city". Population 11,000 here. How about  
> you?
>
> Joe Dominick
>
> Dominick's Quality Printing
> 542 W. Idaho Avenue
> Ontario Oregon 97914
> 541.881.1121
> Fax 541.881.1599
>
> www.dominicksprinting.com
> dominick@fmtc.com
>
> Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider
> Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here!
> Robin Niewold wrote:
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> Greg,
>> I don't believe anyone on this list is more rural than I am -- that  
>> could be another contest! :)
>> We charge $25 for a press wash on our QM46-2. Not sure about PMS  
>> ink mix. Do you think you are charging too much or too little?
>> And, why does it matter if you are rural or ??? urban, suburban,  
>> city or planet X ?
>> robin
>>
>> Robin Niewold
>> Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
>> 130 N. Market Street
>> Paxton, IL 60957
>> 217.379.4715
>> robin@protypeonline.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> PrintOwners Discussion List
>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>>
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners


Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org

Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider
Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider


From greg at pressexpress.org  Mon Jan 14 10:22:07 2008
From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Mon Jan 14 10:23:20 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] mac OS leopard
In-Reply-To: <214A3AEC-E067-4E66-968D-DF98F2B76887@desktopsxm.com>
References: <C3AE26CF.2B1F2%bob@gallagherprint.com>
	<214A3AEC-E067-4E66-968D-DF98F2B76887@desktopsxm.com>
Message-ID: <79BC2790-FC4D-405E-B7D6-C570DA4A1C00@pressexpress.org>

PrintSmith works fine, the new browser is eye candy.  The only issue I  
have been coming across is printing documents sometimes hangs up.  If  
you use iPhoto, you will LOVE the new "08" version.  All in all, no  
regrets.

Greg

On Jan 13, 2008, at 7:33 AM, Joel Brint wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Has anyone upgraded to, or is using leopard?
> pros cons etc.?
>
>
> Joel Brint
> Desktop Imaging
> St. Maarten
> Tel 542-4044
> fax 543-1100
>
> "The Printshop with a Difference"
>
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1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org

Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider
Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider


From championprinting at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 14 10:47:18 2008
From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly)
Date: Mon Jan 14 10:47:49 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash
Message-ID: <811964.27502.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Standard color wash - $18 (additional above black ink price per std color)
PMS mixable match color (not from our list of standard colors) - $31 on top of color wash ($49 over black price per mixable color)
Suburban location (mainly bedroom community).
We have no light colors in our standard selection as most require a "double wash".
 
Ted Gelletly
Champion Printing
5401 New Expansion Drive
Eldersburg MD 21784
410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488
ted@championprintingonline.com 


----- Original Message ----
From: Greg Weinfurter <greg@pressexpress.org>
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:06:33 AM
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Color Wash

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Fair enough

$20.00 color wash

$5.00 pms mix

--

Raised it to:

$25.00 color wash

$10.00 pms mix

Greg


On Jan 11, 2008, at 6:16 PM, Ted Gelletly wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> If  you go first, I'll join in. Not particularly interested in a  
> brand name press, but a portrait feed duplicator style press.
>
> Ted Gelletly
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Greg Weinfurter <greg@pressexpress.org>
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only <printowners@printweb.org 
> >
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:47:16 PM
> Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I know I am suppose to leave the survey's to the experts (Mr. Stewart)
> but I was wondering what shops are charging this year for a color wash
> for a Heidelberg QM2.  And whether they are rural.
>
> Any replies would be appreciated
>
> Thanks
>
> Greg
>
> Press Express
> 1869 N. Stevens St.
> Rhinelander, WI 54501
> Phone 715-362-2828
> Fax 715-369-2828
> info@pressexpress.org
From smc at sorrentomesa.com  Mon Jan 14 10:51:07 2008
From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel)
Date: Mon Jan 14 10:55:47 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Pantone  DS 62-1 C Red?????
In-Reply-To: <20080114150159.37211D6EE9C@rb.enter.net>
References: <4787F9B8.8040704@goinsty.com>
	<20080114150159.37211D6EE9C@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <200801141555.m0EFtJ0h096544@i2bnetworks.com>


No, the D does not stand for digital.

The DS is the naming convention Pantone came up with a long time ago 
to designate their "process" color system.

Unfortunately, I run into this all the time. Most people when they 
think of Pantone, they think of spot colors, but Pantone process 
color libraries are in place so designers can design content with a 
known color that is visible on a swatch book when it is used in a 
process color environment.

The Pantone Process libraries have been incorporated into Adobe 
products for about as long as I can remember. They're available for 
use in the swatches palette along with the spot color libraries as well.

They are very useful for getting colors right in process projects. 
Mostly in the offset environment

Sadly, they are very underused because of the lack of knowledge by 
the design community.



S.



At 07:01 AM 1/14/2008, you wrote:
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>Can't answer that.
>  We only use a KM-6500 - no 4-color presses.
>
>I believe these pantone nos. are set up for"Digital",
>That is where the "d" comes from
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
>[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of R. Meier
>Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:20 PM
>To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
>Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Pantone DS 62-1 C Red?????
>
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>I've never tried this, but could you just mix the cmyk inks in that same
>ratio to create a spot color?
>
>
>Bernie Schreiber wrote:
> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> >
> > Customer is not wrong
> >
> > Must be printed with 4-Color Process
> >
> > There are also some PMS nos. that differ.
> >
> > DS 62-1 C according to:
> >
> > Pantone Process Guide Coated
> >
> > Is:    C-0   M-90  Y-100  K-20
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Linda Baribeau
> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:17 PM
> > To: printowners@printweb.org
> > Subject: [PrintOwners] Pantone DS 62-1 C Red?????
> >
> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> >
> > Good Afternoon,
> >
> > We received a file from a customer indicating this as the darker red they
> > want printed. We are unfamiliar with this? Is this maybe for a digital
> > press? If so I would need to convert to a regular PMS. Is the customer
> > inaccurate?
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated.........Linda
> > Linda Baribeau
> > Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc.
> > 2041 West Mill Road
> > Glendale, WI  53209
> > Ph. 414-332-2080  Fax 414-964-3299
> > _______________________________________________
> > PrintOwners Discussion List
> > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > PrintOwners Discussion List
> > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>--
>_____________________________
>
>Rob Meier
>
>Insty-Prints
>2429 E. Clairemont Ave.
>Eau Claire, WI 54701
>(715) 835-1959
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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From kellycrom at gmail.com  Mon Jan 14 11:00:52 2008
From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics)
Date: Mon Jan 14 11:01:33 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash
In-Reply-To: <2302A261-5C10-4F7F-90E9-FAA4E4AEE595@pressexpress.org>
References: <2302A261-5C10-4F7F-90E9-FAA4E4AEE595@pressexpress.org>
Message-ID: <02a901c856c6$aacbdea0$6d01a8c0@KELLY>

We charge $47.00 for any PMS we mix in house(up to 1 pound). That includes
$17 for the ink and $30 for the wash. Years ago, we used to have "house"
colors that we would charge less, but over the years, fewer customers wanted
the standard colors.
We are a suburban(Minneapolis) shop.

Kelly Crom
Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.

We've Moved!!!
2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
Plymouth, MN  55441
New Phone:  (763)231-6970
kellycrom@gmail.com
www.applied-graphics.com 

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org 
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:47 PM
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> I know I am suppose to leave the survey's to the experts (Mr. 
> Stewart)  
> but I was wondering what shops are charging this year for a 
> color wash  
> for a Heidelberg QM2.  And whether they are rural.
> 
> Any replies would be appreciated
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Greg
> 
> Press Express
> 1869 N. Stevens St.
> Rhinelander, WI 54501
> Phone 715-362-2828
> Fax 715-369-2828
> info@pressexpress.org
> 
> Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider
> Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> 

From mail at myprinter.biz  Mon Jan 14 11:09:05 2008
From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz)
Date: Mon Jan 14 11:09:51 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Pantone  DS 62-1 C Red?????
In-Reply-To: <200801141555.m0EFtJ0h096544@i2bnetworks.com>
Message-ID: <BEEIIPIOGLPLKIAABOLAEEEBFFAA.mail@myprinter.biz>

Scott -

Don't you just love it when a "graphic artist" - without the slightest
thought about the recurring printing expenses for his/her client - designs a
stationery suite with five spot colors in hairline register, to be printed
on linen stock, then tops it off by selling the client on the "C" version of
the pantone spot colors.

Dan
Sir Speedy Printing Center
5845 Hollywood Boulevard
Hollywood, FL 33021
tel. 954.962.1309
fax 954.962.1366
dan@myprinter.biz
www.myprinter.biz




-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Scott Cappel
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:51 AM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Pantone DS 62-1 C Red?????


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****


No, the D does not stand for digital.

The DS is the naming convention Pantone came up with a long time ago
to designate their "process" color system.

Unfortunately, I run into this all the time. Most people when they
think of Pantone, they think of spot colors, but Pantone process
color libraries are in place so designers can design content with a
known color that is visible on a swatch book when it is used in a
process color environment.

The Pantone Process libraries have been incorporated into Adobe
products for about as long as I can remember. They're available for
use in the swatches palette along with the spot color libraries as well.

They are very useful for getting colors right in process projects.
Mostly in the offset environment

Sadly, they are very underused because of the lack of knowledge by
the design community.



S.



At 07:01 AM 1/14/2008, you wrote:
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>Can't answer that.
>  We only use a KM-6500 - no 4-color presses.
>
>I believe these pantone nos. are set up for"Digital",
>That is where the "d" comes from
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
>[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of R. Meier
>Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:20 PM
>To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
>Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Pantone DS 62-1 C Red?????
>
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>I've never tried this, but could you just mix the cmyk inks in that same
>ratio to create a spot color?
>
>
>Bernie Schreiber wrote:
> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> >
> > Customer is not wrong
> >
> > Must be printed with 4-Color Process
> >
> > There are also some PMS nos. that differ.
> >
> > DS 62-1 C according to:
> >
> > Pantone Process Guide Coated
> >
> > Is:    C-0   M-90  Y-100  K-20
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Linda Baribeau
> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:17 PM
> > To: printowners@printweb.org
> > Subject: [PrintOwners] Pantone DS 62-1 C Red?????
> >
> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> >
> > Good Afternoon,
> >
> > We received a file from a customer indicating this as the darker red
they
> > want printed. We are unfamiliar with this? Is this maybe for a digital
> > press? If so I would need to convert to a regular PMS. Is the customer
> > inaccurate?
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated.........Linda
> > Linda Baribeau
> > Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc.
> > 2041 West Mill Road
> > Glendale, WI  53209
> > Ph. 414-332-2080  Fax 414-964-3299
> > _______________________________________________
> > PrintOwners Discussion List
> > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
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From Minmandon at aol.com  Mon Jan 14 11:10:44 2008
From: Minmandon at aol.com (Minmandon@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 14 11:11:15 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash Itemizing on Invoice
Message-ID: <bf7.25f3e05a.34bce384@aol.com>

Is anyone (everyone) itemizing color wash on the invoice?
 
Don Carney
Minuteman Press Deerfield
954 421-9904



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From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Mon Jan 14 11:19:49 2008
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Mon Jan 14 11:20:12 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash Itemizing on Invoice
In-Reply-To: <bf7.25f3e05a.34bce384@aol.com>
References: <bf7.25f3e05a.34bce384@aol.com>
Message-ID: <51ACCADD-9599-47AC-A60E-2DCDEFD1D301@falconprintandcopy.com>

You mean as opposed to burying it in the job?  We definitely charge it  
separately and encourage the customers to batch jobs to save PMS  
charges.

Borzou Azabdaftari
Falcon Print and Copy
1921 Gallows Road
Suite 150
Vienna, VA 22182
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134
borzou@falconprintandcopy.com





On Jan 14, 2008, at 11:10 AM, Minmandon@aol.com wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Is anyone (everyone) itemizing color wash on the invoice?
>
> Don Carney
> Minuteman Press Deerfield
> 954 421-9904
>
>
>
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From greg at pressexpress.org  Mon Jan 14 11:25:58 2008
From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Mon Jan 14 11:26:27 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash Itemizing on Invoice
In-Reply-To: <51ACCADD-9599-47AC-A60E-2DCDEFD1D301@falconprintandcopy.com>
References: <bf7.25f3e05a.34bce384@aol.com>
	<51ACCADD-9599-47AC-A60E-2DCDEFD1D301@falconprintandcopy.com>
Message-ID: <7AE846CE-EAC6-467A-8A84-A5E5B053CFB6@pressexpress.org>

ditto

On Jan 14, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Borzou Azabdaftari wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> You mean as opposed to burying it in the job?  We definitely charge  
> it separately and encourage the customers to batch jobs to save PMS  
> charges.
>
> Borzou Azabdaftari
> Falcon Print and Copy
> 1921 Gallows Road
> Suite 150
> Vienna, VA 22182
> t.703.442.0124
> f.703.442.0134
> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 14, 2008, at 11:10 AM, Minmandon@aol.com wrote:
>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> Is anyone (everyone) itemizing color wash on the invoice?
>>
>> Don Carney
>> Minuteman Press Deerfield
>> 954 421-9904
>>
>>
>>
>> **************Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.
>> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
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>>
>
>
>
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Press Express
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Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org

Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider
Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider


From hal at pickimp.com  Mon Jan 14 11:46:12 2008
From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt)
Date: Mon Jan 14 11:44:19 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Pantone  DS 62-1 C Red?????
References: <BEEIIPIOGLPLKIAABOLAEEEBFFAA.mail@myprinter.biz>
Message-ID: <002401c856cd$10681480$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net>

<The DS is the naming convention Pantone came up with a long time ago
to designate their "process" color system.>

Actually the DS stands for Digital Screens @ 175 DPI . According to Pantone other screen frequencies will not faithfully reproduce the colors. We've had designers tell us to mix it as a PMS color by using the CMYK formulas.  

Perhaps if we embedded a chip in these desigers we could have a door lock that triggers when they approach it.

Hal 
From sos at olympus.net  Mon Jan 14 11:38:44 2008
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Mon Jan 14 11:58:52 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Rural: how small??
References: <2C7649F1-1C35-45E3-B867-F09A6AD4A4B6@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <030401c856ce$62a98e30$6900a8c0@DANIEL>


> Okay....the contest is ON.............who has a printing business
> located in a community more rural than Paxton, IL?????
=====================

You might very well win Robin, but I'm in a town of 8,000 but there are two 
printshops and four copy shops.  Seattle is only 50 miles away, but it's a 
two hour, sometimes three hour journey via ferry or driving around the south 
end of Puget Sound.  And if Trident Subs are passing through the Hood Canal 
floating bridge and it's open, that is, closed to auto traffic, you could be 
stuck for a long time.  Plus, we have evolved into a retirement community 
and retirees don't buy printing.
And tourists don't either.
And neither do whales or salmon.

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860



From zapit at zapcolor.com  Mon Jan 14 12:06:21 2008
From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez)
Date: Mon Jan 14 12:07:49 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: mac OS leopard
In-Reply-To: <20080114051621.4EEA2D6DEE0@rb.enter.net>
References: <20080114051621.4EEA2D6DEE0@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <664818F5-A3F6-4B63-A176-ECBF8F8A8AE0@zapcolor.com>

Other than issues mentioned, I moved my Intel based Powerbook to  
Leopard and it went pretty smooth BT after awhile Aperture stopped  
working properly.
The only workaround that fixed it was to back everything up and  
reformat the drive and reinstall Leopard fresh.
2 weeks and now running better,
what we did on the G5's non-Intel was install a new hard drive, be  
careful not all WD drives are Mac compatible, and did a clean install  
for those.
No problems, so far and that has been well over a month.



On Jan 13, 2008, at 9:16 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote:

> ergey)
>   2. Re: mac OS leopard (Harry Brelsfor

Eugene Montanez
ZAP Printing & Graphics
127 Radio Rd
Corona, CA 92879
951-734-8181

Zapit@zapcolor.com




From arvadaprintery2 at qwestoffice.net  Mon Jan 14 12:15:57 2008
From: arvadaprintery2 at qwestoffice.net (Keith Herron)
Date: Mon Jan 14 12:16:24 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] mac OS leopard
In-Reply-To: <79BC2790-FC4D-405E-B7D6-C570DA4A1C00@pressexpress.org>
References: <C3AE26CF.2B1F2%bob@gallagherprint.com>
	<214A3AEC-E067-4E66-968D-DF98F2B76887@desktopsxm.com>
	<79BC2790-FC4D-405E-B7D6-C570DA4A1C00@pressexpress.org>
Message-ID: <1b6e9d0069016f8417184eea5bb269c3@qwestoffice.net>

Greg,
What version of PrintSmith are you running?
We are considering getting a new iMac for our PrintSmith master 
station, but we are still running version 7.x (and NOT looking forward 
to re-upping with PrintSmith).

Thanks,
Keith Herron
The Printery, Inc.
Arvada, Colorado
303-422-5033
www.arvadaprintery.com


On Jan 14, 2008, at 8:22 AM, Greg Weinfurter wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> PrintSmith works fine, the new browser is eye candy.  The only issue I 
> have been coming across is printing documents sometimes hangs up.  If 
> you use iPhoto, you will LOVE the new "08" version.  All in all, no 
> regrets.
>
> Greg
>
> On Jan 13, 2008, at 7:33 AM, Joel Brint wrote:
>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> Has anyone upgraded to, or is using leopard?
>> pros cons etc.?
>>
>>
>> Joel Brint
>> Desktop Imaging
>> St. Maarten
>> Tel 542-4044
>> fax 543-1100
>>
>> "The Printshop with a Difference"
>>
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> Phone 715-362-2828
> Fax 715-369-2828
> info@pressexpress.org
>
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From dennisewing at satx.rr.com  Mon Jan 14 12:20:04 2008
From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing)
Date: Mon Jan 14 12:19:58 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash Itemizing on Invoice
In-Reply-To: <51ACCADD-9599-47AC-A60E-2DCDEFD1D301@falconprintandcopy.com>
References: <bf7.25f3e05a.34bce384@aol.com>
	<51ACCADD-9599-47AC-A60E-2DCDEFD1D301@falconprintandcopy.com>
Message-ID: <478B99C4.5020805@satx.rr.com>

Bury it in the job and charge it on each item. Make more money that way. 
Common practice around here anyway. I only break it out if I need to for 
competitive reasons. You know one of the local low ballers. There sure 
seems to be a lot of shops in this town who have not raised prices in 5 
years.

Dennis W. Ewing Sr
Ewing and Sons Printing
12000 Crownpoint, #130
San Antonio, TX 78233
dennisewing@satx.rr.com
ewingandsons@satx.rr.com
210/650-5311
210/650-9916 Fax



Borzou Azabdaftari wrote:
>
> You mean as opposed to burying it in the job?  We definitely charge it 
> separately and encourage the customers to batch jobs to save PMS charges.
>
> Borzou Azabdaftari
> Falcon Print and Copy
> 1921 Gallows Road
> Suite 150
> Vienna, VA 22182
> t.703.442.0124
> f.703.442.0134
> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 14, 2008, at 11:10 AM, Minmandon@aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Is anyone (everyone) itemizing color wash on the invoice?
>>
>> Don Carney
>> Minuteman Press Deerfield
>> 954 421-9904
>>
>
From greg at pressexpress.org  Mon Jan 14 12:24:55 2008
From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Mon Jan 14 12:25:18 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] mac OS leopard
In-Reply-To: <1b6e9d0069016f8417184eea5bb269c3@qwestoffice.net>
References: <C3AE26CF.2B1F2%bob@gallagherprint.com>
	<214A3AEC-E067-4E66-968D-DF98F2B76887@desktopsxm.com>
	<79BC2790-FC4D-405E-B7D6-C570DA4A1C00@pressexpress.org>
	<1b6e9d0069016f8417184eea5bb269c3@qwestoffice.net>
Message-ID: <D2CC3B0E-D29E-42C4-B1CD-1635236BE2BE@pressexpress.org>

8.0.6  No issues.  Used the migration assistant and it worked  
flawlessly.

Anyway, don't forget to back up PS prior anyway.

Greg


On Jan 14, 2008, at 11:15 AM, Keith Herron wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Greg,
> What version of PrintSmith are you running?
> We are considering getting a new iMac for our PrintSmith master  
> station, but we are still running version 7.x (and NOT looking  
> forward to re-upping with PrintSmith).
>
> Thanks,
> Keith Herron
> The Printery, Inc.
> Arvada, Colorado
> 303-422-5033
> www.arvadaprintery.com
>
>
> On Jan 14, 2008, at 8:22 AM, Greg Weinfurter wrote:
>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> PrintSmith works fine, the new browser is eye candy.  The only  
>> issue I have been coming across is printing documents sometimes  
>> hangs up.  If you use iPhoto, you will LOVE the new "08" version.   
>> All in all, no regrets.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2008, at 7:33 AM, Joel Brint wrote:
>>
>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>>
>>> Has anyone upgraded to, or is using leopard?
>>> pros cons etc.?
>>>
>>>
>>> Joel Brint
>>> Desktop Imaging
>>> St. Maarten
>>> Tel 542-4044
>>> fax 543-1100
>>>
>>> "The Printshop with a Difference"
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> PrintOwners Discussion List
>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>>
>>
>> Press Express
>> 1869 N. Stevens St.
>> Rhinelander, WI 54501
>> Phone 715-362-2828
>> Fax 715-369-2828
>> info@pressexpress.org
>>
>> Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider
>> Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> PrintOwners Discussion List
>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>>
>
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Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org

Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider
Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider


From slb at inkspot.net  Mon Jan 14 12:57:50 2008
From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman)
Date: Mon Jan 14 13:02:10 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] 10 cent color copies?
In-Reply-To: <002401c856cd$10681480$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <478B5C4E.10018.3A40615@slb.inkspot.net>

I'm trying to decide how to answer an inquiry about a 4/0 potential 
job. For some reason (they didn't get it from me), they seem to be 
looking to pay about 10 cents each for 2000 4/0 8.5x11 flyers (or is 
that fliers?). Uncoated stock is fine; they haven't decided on bleeds 
or no bleeds. Offset or digital is fine, whichever is less expensive 
at that quantity.

That's a lot lower than I have any inclination to go for digital work 
at all, and for anything else at that quantity. I'm not even sure at 
what quantity offset gets to 10 cents each.

Is anyone selling 4/0 at or near that price? I certainly don't want 
to play on that playground, but I'm reluctant to tell these folks 
(politely) that they're dreaming when the accurate answer is that 
they should go elsewhere. I'm also curious about whether we're really 
competing with some idiot who thinks (or knows) s/he can make money 
at that price and quantity, or whether our customer is just seeing 
how far they can push...

(And before you chime in, Scott, if 10 cents is, as I suspect, a 
dream, I'll sell our expertise, and take what I get. If it's real, 
I'll sell our expertise, and take what I get. I would just like to 
know...)

Steve

Steve Blatman
Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
Tel: 610-647-0776
Fax: 610-647-4560

From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Mon Jan 14 13:03:38 2008
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Mon Jan 14 13:03:53 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash Itemizing on Invoice
In-Reply-To: <478B99C4.5020805@satx.rr.com>
References: <bf7.25f3e05a.34bce384@aol.com>
	<51ACCADD-9599-47AC-A60E-2DCDEFD1D301@falconprintandcopy.com>
	<478B99C4.5020805@satx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0801141003t693e447cwe03e967aa75b8331@mail.gmail.com>

On Jan 14, 2008 12:20 PM, Dennis Ewing <dennisewing@satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Bury it in the job and charge it on each item. Make more money that way.


I didn't want to be the first to say that, but I agree on several fronts:

1) the ability to do as Dennis does -- to charge it on each item;

2) the ability to be flexible in your pricing -- charge it on each
item when you can; or not, and use the fact *proactively* to encourage
the customer to order other things at the same time.

3) because itemization draws attention to the price; the same reason
you don't want to break out the other chargeable components of a job.

4) because in drawing attention to this one aspect of the price, it
invites price comparison. (Just one example is against MinuteMan's
"Free Color Days").


Personally, I'm astounded by the low wash-up and ink mix prices I've
been seeing quoted here. It seems that $25 for a color wash was almost
a standard price *years* ago. Why has this price decreased in so many
places? And why has it seemingly not increased? Could itemization on
the invoice be among the culprits?

It benefits the bottom line to think more empathically and creatively
about pricing, addressing your customers' perception and your bottom
line simultaneously.


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com
====================================
Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
                                                   ~Lord Bacon
From slb at inkspot.net  Mon Jan 14 13:05:24 2008
From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman)
Date: Mon Jan 14 13:05:44 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash Itemizing on Invoice
In-Reply-To: <bf7.25f3e05a.34bce384@aol.com>
Message-ID: <478B5E14.126.3AAF306@slb.inkspot.net>

We always have it as a hidden charge, and add it to every item. At 
times, we will add a discount to the invoice for "multiple items in 
the same color" that, in effect, removes the charge for the second or 
subsequent press wash. This way, customers don't ask why their 
letterhead was more expensive alone than when it was ordered with 
their envelopes (it's obvious from the invoice, or it's the same 
price), and we can recover our costs in those cases in which 
different items are run on different presses.

YMMV,
Steve
> 
> Is anyone (everyone) itemizing color wash on the invoice?
>  
> Don Carney
> Minuteman Press Deerfield
> 954 421-9904
> 
> 
> 
> **************Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.     
> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
> _______________________________________________
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Fax: 610-647-4560

From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Mon Jan 14 13:14:25 2008
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Mon Jan 14 13:14:36 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] 10 cent color copies?
In-Reply-To: <478B5C4E.10018.3A40615@slb.inkspot.net>
References: <002401c856cd$10681480$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net>
	<478B5C4E.10018.3A40615@slb.inkspot.net>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0801141014p56367ea8od2ebf45251915066@mail.gmail.com>

On Jan 14, 2008 12:57 PM, Steve Blatman <slb@inkspot.net> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to decide how to answer an inquiry about a 4/0 potential
> job. For some reason (they didn't get it from me), they seem to be
> looking to pay about 10 cents each for 2000 4/0 8.5x11 flyers (or is
> that fliers?).


It seems entirely plausible that, having seen some very low pricing
for, say, 5000 color flyers online, they might have extrapolated, even
hiking up the unit price some to "compensate"  for the smaller
quantity.

Using gmail, your post is surrounded by ad links, among them:
  "5,000 Flyers of $89.00"
  "1000 Four Color Flyers for $29.95 "
  "Full Color Starting At Only $39 "

Never mind the what and how of this pricing, we can't fault customers
who see this for not understanding why we're not in line.


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com
====================================
Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
                                                     ~Lord Bacon
From championprinting at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 14 13:14:49 2008
From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly)
Date: Mon Jan 14 13:15:04 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash Itemizing on Invoice
Message-ID: <977909.90896.qm@web38908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Same here. Only a very few of our clients would be savvy enough to understand what we're talking about. It's just a "red flag" for the uninformed.
 
Ted Gelletly
Champion Printing
5401 New Expansion Drive
Eldersburg MD 21784
410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488
ted@championprintingonline.com 


----- Original Message ----
From: Dennis Ewing <dennisewing@satx.rr.com>
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:20:04 PM
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Color Wash Itemizing on Invoice

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Bury it in the job and charge it on each item. Make more money that way. 
Common practice around here anyway. I only break it out if I need to for 
competitive reasons. You know one of the local low ballers. There sure 
seems to be a lot of shops in this town who have not raised prices in 5 
years.

Dennis W. Ewing Sr
Ewing and Sons Printing
12000 Crownpoint, #130
San Antonio, TX 78233
dennisewing@satx.rr.com
ewingandsons@satx.rr.com
210/650-5311
210/650-9916 Fax



Borzou Azabdaftari wrote:
>
> You mean as opposed to burying it in the job?  We definitely charge it 
> separately and encourage the customers to batch jobs to save PMS charges.
>
> Borzou Azabdaftari
> Falcon Print and Copy
> 1921 Gallows Road
> Suite 150
> Vienna, VA 22182
> t.703.442.0124
> f.703.442.0134
> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 14, 2008, at 11:10 AM, Minmandon@aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Is anyone (everyone) itemizing color wash on the invoice?
>>
>> Don Carney
>> Minuteman Press Deerfield
>> 954 421-9904
>>
From kellycrom at gmail.com  Mon Jan 14 13:17:42 2008
From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics)
Date: Mon Jan 14 13:19:01 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] 10 cent color copies?
In-Reply-To: <478B5C4E.10018.3A40615@slb.inkspot.net>
References: <002401c856cd$10681480$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net>
	<478B5C4E.10018.3A40615@slb.inkspot.net>
Message-ID: <02d201c856d9$d0a33cf0$6d01a8c0@KELLY>

Google "10 cent color copies" and you will come up with many sites offering
copies at less than 10 cents(including free shipping). Do you want to
compete with them, probably not. Around here, the average "sale" price is
anywhere between 29 and 59 cents. With Kinko's setting their lowest price at
29 cents, I most of the local chain stores will most likely not drop below
that(at least for too long). However, we are about to get the first Staples
in the Twin Cities soon, so the price wars could fire up again.

Kelly Crom
Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.

We've Moved!!!
2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
Plymouth, MN  55441
New Phone:  (763)231-6970
kellycrom@gmail.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org 
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:58 AM
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> Subject: [PrintOwners] 10 cent color copies?
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> I'm trying to decide how to answer an inquiry about a 4/0 potential 
> job. For some reason (they didn't get it from me), they seem to be 
> looking to pay about 10 cents each for 2000 4/0 8.5x11 flyers (or is 
> that fliers?). Uncoated stock is fine; they haven't decided on bleeds 
> or no bleeds. Offset or digital is fine, whichever is less expensive 
> at that quantity.
> 
> That's a lot lower than I have any inclination to go for digital work 
> at all, and for anything else at that quantity. I'm not even sure at 
> what quantity offset gets to 10 cents each.
> 
> Is anyone selling 4/0 at or near that price? I certainly don't want 
> to play on that playground, but I'm reluctant to tell these folks 
> (politely) that they're dreaming when the accurate answer is that 
> they should go elsewhere. I'm also curious about whether we're really 
> competing with some idiot who thinks (or knows) s/he can make money 
> at that price and quantity, or whether our customer is just seeing 
> how far they can push...
> 
> (And before you chime in, Scott, if 10 cents is, as I suspect, a 
> dream, I'll sell our expertise, and take what I get. If it's real, 
> I'll sell our expertise, and take what I get. I would just like to 
> know...)
> 
> Steve
> 
> Steve Blatman
> Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
> 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
> Tel: 610-647-0776
> Fax: 610-647-4560
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From sos at olympus.net  Mon Jan 14 13:20:17 2008
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Mon Jan 14 13:22:37 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] 10 cent color copies?
References: <478B5C4E.10018.3A40615@slb.inkspot.net>
Message-ID: <036e01c856da$1dd2e980$6900a8c0@DANIEL>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Blatman" <slb@inkspot.net>

> I'm trying to decide how to answer an inquiry about a 4/0 potential
> job. For some reason (they didn't get it from me), they seem to be
> looking to pay about 10 cents each for 2000 4/0 8.5x11 flyers (or is
> that fliers?). Uncoated stock is fine; they haven't decided on bleeds
> or no bleeds. Offset or digital is fine, whichever is less expensive
> at that quantity.
====================

Our price would be $380 $390 depending on stock which is more like 19 cents 
each.  Printed 2up on press GTO.  You could easily find it for half that 
price at 4over.com  or growl.com or any of those "wholesale" gang run 
printers.  Look in the back of any graphics magazine. But I would never sell 
it for that price.

We sometimes loose jobs like that.  I'm thinking it may be time to just sell 
the press. Put $150,000 in the retirement fund and run the copier and job 
out.  Again, small town, low volume, your mileage may vary.

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860





From championprinting at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 14 14:25:11 2008
From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly)
Date: Mon Jan 14 14:25:26 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash Itemizing on Invoice
Message-ID: <923050.71452.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

As stated in my earlier email, we don't itemize color washes or mixes, but Mike has me wondering:
Retail cost per hour on our portrait duplicator press $97.50
Our wash up time is 11 minutes for which we charge $18.00 ($97.50 divided by 60 x 11 = $17.88)
Is my retail price for press time or wash minutes allowed out of touch with reality (or math possibly wrong)?
Once again, this is not something the public sees.
Michael, do you mind sharing what you are currently charging for a color wash and PMS matching mix (and retail press time)?

Ted Gelletly
Champion Printing
5401 New Expansion Drive
Eldersburg MD 21784
410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488
ted@championprintingonline.com 


----- Original Message ----
From: Michael Vogel <mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com>
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:03:38 PM
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Color Wash Itemizing on Invoice

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

On Jan 14, 2008 12:20 PM, Dennis Ewing <dennisewing@satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Bury it in the job and charge it on each item. Make more money that way.


I didn't want to be the first to say that, but I agree on several fronts:

1) the ability to do as Dennis does -- to charge it on each item;

2) the ability to be flexible in your pricing -- charge it on each
item when you can; or not, and use the fact *proactively* to encourage
the customer to order other things at the same time.

3) because itemization draws attention to the price; the same reason
you don't want to break out the other chargeable components of a job.

4) because in drawing attention to this one aspect of the price, it
invites price comparison. (Just one example is against MinuteMan's
"Free Color Days").


Personally, I'm astounded by the low wash-up and ink mix prices I've
been seeing quoted here. It seems that $25 for a color wash was almost
a standard price *years* ago. Why has this price decreased in so many
places? And why has it seemingly not increased? Could itemization on
the invoice be among the culprits?

It benefits the bottom line to think more empathically and creatively
about pricing, addressing your customers' perception and your bottom
line simultaneously.


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
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From smc at sorrentomesa.com  Mon Jan 14 14:23:44 2008
From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel)
Date: Mon Jan 14 14:28:09 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Pantone  DS 62-1 C Red?????
In-Reply-To: <BEEIIPIOGLPLKIAABOLAEEEBFFAA.mail@myprinter.biz>
References: <200801141555.m0EFtJ0h096544@i2bnetworks.com>
	<BEEIIPIOGLPLKIAABOLAEEEBFFAA.mail@myprinter.biz>
Message-ID: <200801141927.m0EJRu6Z055072@i2bnetworks.com>


We have a name for those folk 'round these parts.....

Interns.

S.



At 08:09 AM 1/14/2008, you wrote:
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>Scott -
>
>Don't you just love it when a "graphic artist" - without the slightest
>thought about the recurring printing expenses for his/her client - designs a
>stationery suite with five spot colors in hairline register, to be printed
>on linen stock, then tops it off by selling the client on the "C" version of
>the pantone spot colors.
>
>Dan
>Sir Speedy Printing Center
>5845 Hollywood Boulevard
>Hollywood, FL 33021
>tel. 954.962.1309
>fax 954.962.1366
>dan@myprinter.biz
>www.myprinter.biz
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
>[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Scott Cappel
>Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:51 AM
>To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
>Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Pantone DS 62-1 C Red?????
>
>
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>
>No, the D does not stand for digital.
>
>The DS is the naming convention Pantone came up with a long time ago
>to designate their "process" color system.
>
>Unfortunately, I run into this all the time. Most people when they
>think of Pantone, they think of spot colors, but Pantone process
>color libraries are in place so designers can design content with a
>known color that is visible on a swatch book when it is used in a
>process color environment.
>
>The Pantone Process libraries have been incorporated into Adobe
>products for about as long as I can remember. They're available for
>use in the swatches palette along with the spot color libraries as well.
>
>They are very useful for getting colors right in process projects.
>Mostly in the offset environment
>
>Sadly, they are very underused because of the lack of knowledge by
>the design community.
>
>
>
>S.
>
>
>
>At 07:01 AM 1/14/2008, you wrote:
> >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> >
> >Can't answer that.
> >  We only use a KM-6500 - no 4-color presses.
> >
> >I believe these pantone nos. are set up for"Digital",
> >That is where the "d" comes from
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of R. Meier
> >Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:20 PM
> >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> >Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Pantone DS 62-1 C Red?????
> >
> >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> >
> >I've never tried this, but could you just mix the cmyk inks in that same
> >ratio to create a spot color?
> >
> >
> >Bernie Schreiber wrote:
> > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> > >
> > > Customer is not wrong
> > >
> > > Must be printed with 4-Color Process
> > >
> > > There are also some PMS nos. that differ.
> > >
> > > DS 62-1 C according to:
> > >
> > > Pantone Process Guide Coated
> > >
> > > Is:    C-0   M-90  Y-100  K-20
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Linda Baribeau
> > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:17 PM
> > > To: printowners@printweb.org
> > > Subject: [PrintOwners] Pantone DS 62-1 C Red?????
> > >
> > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> > >
> > > Good Afternoon,
> > >
> > > We received a file from a customer indicating this as the darker red
>they
> > > want printed. We are unfamiliar with this? Is this maybe for a digital
> > > press? If so I would need to convert to a regular PMS. Is the customer
> > > inaccurate?
> > >
> > > Any help would be appreciated.........Linda
> > > Linda Baribeau
> > > Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc.
> > > 2041 West Mill Road
> > > Glendale, WI  53209
> > > Ph. 414-332-2080  Fax 414-964-3299
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From smc at sorrentomesa.com  Mon Jan 14 14:36:26 2008
From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel)
Date: Mon Jan 14 14:41:11 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash Itemizing on Invoice
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Never, ever, ever.

Why would you want to?

I can't recall them breaking out a line item on the bill for 
pepperoni on my Pizza that I enjoyed while watching the Charger's 
game yesterday.

Maybe the pizza guys know something......

S.



At 08:10 AM 1/14/2008, you wrote:
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>Is anyone (everyone) itemizing color wash on the invoice?
>
>Don Carney
>Minuteman Press Deerfield
>954 421-9904
>
>
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From John at mpcny.com  Mon Jan 14 14:44:04 2008
From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry)
Date: Mon Jan 14 14:44:21 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
Message-ID: <003901c856e5$d22308b0$76691a10$@com>

I have just signed a purchase offer for my largest competitor. They are not
failing but at retirement age. I will talk more about this as things
progress but wanted to take this time to thank a few people on the list.

First the behind the scenes team who have been advising me and I have
bounced things off of. The true value of this list and going to conventions
is the people you become friends with and trust. All but one I have met and
broke bread with (+ lots of empty bottles of wine and beer). I shared all
the numbers with this group and leaned on them for both encouragement and
critical advice.

Dennis Trump, Jace, S, Robin, Gerry and Thom all were my team on this. They
saw the first offers right to the last. I thank them all, they helped me
keep my eye on the ball.

Next I am singling out John Stewart. Before I started this process I got
John's and Larry Hunts book "Print Shop for Sale". I read it cover to cover,
not with this deal in mind but to have an better understanding on what I
needed to know if a deal occurred. It was the best guide I could have found
and I was fortunate it was just out last summer. John Stewart and his book
saved me over $40,000 had I not used his methods to base my offer on. That
and it gave me the confidence to know I was not going into this blind or
getting taken advantage of.

Back up to this October. This got started with an email and phone call from
a business broker. He claimed he had a printing company he was representing
and was asking if I would sign a NDA and he would forward me the
confidential business profile. It turned out be my closest competitor, now
you make ask why they did not call himself? Well they wanted to keep it in
confidence and have help in setting their price marketing it.

In my view if they had called John or bought his book they could have saved
time and money.

They did do their research and had reasonable view about selling. The 2
partners had done very well and this was final part of entering retirement.
Their price was high but not outrageous.

At this time then I brought some of "my team" together. I also made the
decision to hire John on a consultative basis to run the numbers and give
his evaluation.  This was 2 part 1st I was in the I am buying mode and Kathy
was in the absolutely not buying mode. 2nd I wanted to take the emotion out
of the deal as much as I could. If I could not buy it for what John felt the
numbers justified I would not do the deal not matter how bad I wanted it.

The number I felt right off I would pay was around 85% of asking price.
John's numbers came in at less than I thought. So I made my first offer
based on the low range John suggested. They counterd at my original high
range; I was ready bite, but no Kathy and John said it was to high. So I
countered with the max John said.  After a few days they accepted with some
wording and minor structure changes.

John Stewart's advice and his book saved me over $40,000 from what I would
have paid. I happy to say I paid John less than a fraction of that. Money
well spent. For an $89 book and the small fee. I now had a deal that I was
confident in. Not only that but Kathy feels somewhat better<G> 


This still has some hurdles, we need to get bank financing as they did not
want to hold anything. We also will move into their location as they have
far more space over 10,000 square feet compared to our 3500. I have some
equipment to sell as we have duplicate of many things. Things like my 4
color GTOVP, 305 cutter and Baum legend 23 inch 4/4/4 folder. I will let the
list know how it all progress.

The big plus is my commute will now be 1/3 less I now I will only have to
drive 2 miles to work and no more stop light!

To wind it up I would say to anyone doing this slow down, get all the
information you can, get some professional advice and have you friends
looking over your back.

Today I met with the bank and all this will take months to close. When I do
close it will be at least 7-9 months total from the first contact with
sellers.

John M. Henry
Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
125-129 East First Street
Oswego, New York 13126
(315) 343-3531
(315) 343-3577 Fax
www.mpcny.com
John@mpcny.com

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From david at commercialpressink.com  Mon Jan 14 15:04:59 2008
From: david at commercialpressink.com (David Charleson)
Date: Mon Jan 14 14:59:42 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Rural
Message-ID: <A8E8E919-830B-4466-A86A-950E26F40581@commercialpressink.com>

Rural!!... You bet.... town im in has a population of 5000, nearest  
city is Watertown (25000) is 70 miles away which is also the nearest  
4 lane highway.  Our county(St. Lawrence) is larger than the state of  
Rhode Island! Im not complaining, we are  in a college town  with a 4  
year liberal arts university, which is our largest customer  
coincidentally! Every supply and paper  i order takes at least a day  
to arrive if not 2 in some cases. But i lived in San Antonio TX. for  
10 years and although it is a great city, i prefer the rural life  
much better.

Thanks
David Charleson
President
Commercial Press Inc.
216 Cowan Rd		
Canton NY 13617
315.386.3431
www,commercialpressink.com
david@commercialpressink.com
From mail at myprinter.biz  Mon Jan 14 15:01:41 2008
From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz)
Date: Mon Jan 14 15:01:46 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash Itemizing on Invoice
In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0801141003t693e447cwe03e967aa75b8331@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BEEIIPIOGLPLKIAABOLAIEGAFFAA.mail@myprinter.biz>

Michael -

Agreed on all counts.

To the degree that we can, we itemize nothing.

When we're quoting on an initial stationery/business card suite involving
non-standard colors, we usually show that a separate item - mostly to stay
competitive and give us the opportunity to 'splain the the customer that
there's going to be an additional charge each time they print anything - so
that printing everything at once - and lots of it  - is called for.  Also
gives us the opportunity to suggest savings if a standard ink color is
acceptable.

Dan
Sir Speedy Printing Center
5845 Hollywood Boulevard
Hollywood, FL 33021
tel. 954.962.1309
fax 954.962.1366
dan@myprinter.biz
www.myprinter.biz






-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Michael Vogel
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:04 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Color Wash Itemizing on Invoice


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

On Jan 14, 2008 12:20 PM, Dennis Ewing <dennisewing@satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Bury it in the job and charge it on each item. Make more money that way.


I didn't want to be the first to say that, but I agree on several fronts:

1) the ability to do as Dennis does -- to charge it on each item;

2) the ability to be flexible in your pricing -- charge it on each
item when you can; or not, and use the fact *proactively* to encourage
the customer to order other things at the same time.

3) because itemization draws attention to the price; the same reason
you don't want to break out the other chargeable components of a job.

4) because in drawing attention to this one aspect of the price, it
invites price comparison. (Just one example is against MinuteMan's
"Free Color Days").


Personally, I'm astounded by the low wash-up and ink mix prices I've
been seeing quoted here. It seems that $25 for a color wash was almost
a standard price *years* ago. Why has this price decreased in so many
places? And why has it seemingly not increased? Could itemization on
the invoice be among the culprits?

It benefits the bottom line to think more empathically and creatively
about pricing, addressing your customers' perception and your bottom
line simultaneously.


--
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com
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From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Mon Jan 14 15:06:38 2008
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 14 15:07:15 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
Message-ID: <c35.2614e934.34bd1ace@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 1/14/2008 2:45:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
John@mpcny.com writes:

John  Stewart's advice and his book saved me over $40,000 from what I would
have  paid. I happy to say I paid John less than a fraction of that. Money
well  spent. For an $89 book and the small fee.


Yes, nothing like rubbing it.... my small fee was actually, far too  small in 
hindsight, and now that you have revealed everything about how much you  
saved you will be receiving a much, much larger corrected invoice which I expect  
to be paid upon receipt! <g> My mistake is I found out what everyone else  in 
the market was charging for similar services and charged 50% less than  the 
lowest competitor, which of course is a standard pricing practice I teach in  my 
six-day seminars on pricing!
 
Seriously John, congratulations and best wishes to you and Kathy. You both  
certainly have the talents to make this new venture a success and I am sure  
combined venture will grow and prosper. Damn, I wish I had quoted more!

John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)   

by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 

2110 S. Dairy  Road
West Melbourne, FL 32904
321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
Cell:  321-794-6259
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
"Winners  analyze, losers rationalize."



**************Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.     
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
From printian at gmail.com  Mon Jan 14 15:08:17 2008
From: printian at gmail.com (Ian Franks)
Date: Mon Jan 14 15:08:32 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
In-Reply-To: <003901c856e5$d22308b0$76691a10$@com>
References: <003901c856e5$d22308b0$76691a10$@com>
Message-ID: <d69b9f3a0801141208g6e600ealfe9c4261e55b3e89@mail.gmail.com>

John

On 14/01/2008, John Henry <John@mpcny.com> wrote:
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I have just signed a purchase offer for my largest competitor. They are
> not
> failing but at retirement age. I will talk more about this as things
> progress but wanted to take this time to thank a few people on the list.
>
Congratulations on your purchase. You got a good team together to support
you and sounds like you have done a great deal. Is the "recession" some
analysts are forecasting for the US affecting you or is this part of the
business downsizing.
-- 
Regards
Ian Franks
Print Image
3 Corlett Drive, Illovo, JHB
Ph 011 447 3133
Fax 011 447 0642
sales@printimage.co.za
www.printimage.co.za
From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Mon Jan 14 15:08:56 2008
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Mon Jan 14 15:09:14 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash Itemizing on Invoice
In-Reply-To: <923050.71452.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <923050.71452.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0801141208q36cf7a12hdff945a1b9cfd168@mail.gmail.com>

On Jan 14, 2008 2:25 PM, Ted Gelletly <championprinting@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Retail cost per hour on our portrait duplicator press $97.50
> Our wash up time is 11 minutes for which we charge $18.00 ($97.50 divided by 60 x 11 = $17.88)
> Is my retail price for press time or wash minutes allowed out of touch with reality (or math possibly wrong)?


For starters, 11 minutes seems perhaps unrealistically quick for a washup.
Then consider these other factors:
   Looking for/fetching the right can(s) of ink.
   Color inks cost more than black;
   Ink is wasted (the ink in the fountain before the wash-up; the ink
left in the fountain at the end of the color run);
   Consumables used in the wash-up process;
   Historical pricing of wash-ups;
   Value-added;
   Unless you're going from one chargeable color wash to another,
there are two washups required: one for the black (or standard) ink, a
second to go back to the black (or standard).

My own charges vary depending on which press configuration I'm using
for pricing purposes (same presses have different set-up parameters),
but it's around $30-31 for a wash-up and between $31 and $36 for a PMS
mix.

That said, I also have different set-up configurations for a "color
press" and a "black press." The color press is charged at a slightly
higher hourly rate to allow for the slightly higher cost of inks; its
set-up time is slightly longer to account for the greater time
necessary to achieve the proper color; and its run time is slightly
slower to account for the slower average run times typically
experienced by the need to maintain color balance.

Just as we sell color clicks at different price points, so can we have
different press pricing configurations for different types of work
(having as much to do with value as cost).


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com
====================================
Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
                                                     ~Lord Bacon
From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com  Mon Jan 14 15:10:10 2008
From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo)
Date: Mon Jan 14 15:10:34 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Rural: how small??
In-Reply-To: <030401c856ce$62a98e30$6900a8c0@DANIEL>
References: <2C7649F1-1C35-45E3-B867-F09A6AD4A4B6@protypeonline.com>
	<030401c856ce$62a98e30$6900a8c0@DANIEL>
Message-ID: <478BC1A2.2090303@sugarloafprint.com>

Sugarloaf PA, Population 3,622

-- 
Ron Sardo
Sugarloaf Print Shop
mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com
www.sugarloafprint.com
570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077

From tufelkinder at gmail.com  Mon Jan 14 15:19:40 2008
From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt)
Date: Mon Jan 14 15:19:43 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Rural: how small??
In-Reply-To: <478BC1A2.2090303@sugarloafprint.com>
References: <2C7649F1-1C35-45E3-B867-F09A6AD4A4B6@protypeonline.com>
	<030401c856ce$62a98e30$6900a8c0@DANIEL>
	<478BC1A2.2090303@sugarloafprint.com>
Message-ID: <84f70d5e0801141219ye8b049bo2d36dc8b20ab02b5@mail.gmail.com>

Mercersburg, PA; Population: c. 1600.


Walt

Mercersburg Printing
Mercersburg, PA
http://mercersburg.net
tufelkinder@gmail.com


-~

    Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so.
                                     -- Bertrand Russell
From Susan at cdandp.net  Mon Jan 14 15:21:15 2008
From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton)
Date: Mon Jan 14 15:21:43 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash Itemizing on Invoice
References: <923050.71452.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<98f5b19a0801141208q36cf7a12hdff945a1b9cfd168@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <020e01c856eb$036d09c0$8302a8c0@Robbin>

Interesting question has just come up about ink washes.  As I was going into 
PrintSmith to do some price checking, I did an experiment.  In the press 
definition, I changed the washup price to $0 and the washup time to 0 
minutes.  I figured the price on 1,000 one-color flyers.  I then went in and 
changed the washup price to $20, with 0 minutes.  I figured the job again 
and got the same price.  I then went in and switched - $0 price, 20 minutes. 
No change in price. I then aded both $20 and 20 minutes and refigured the 
job - no difference.

I thought PrintSmith was supposed to automatically add these.  What am I 
doing wrong?

Susan Wells Compton
Compton Design & Printing Inc.
109 South Jefferson Steet
Lexington, VA 24450
540-463-9232
540-464-4329 Fax
Susan@cdandp.net
www.cdandp.net 

From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com  Mon Jan 14 15:31:05 2008
From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo)
Date: Mon Jan 14 15:31:23 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
In-Reply-To: <003901c856e5$d22308b0$76691a10$@com>
References: <003901c856e5$d22308b0$76691a10$@com>
Message-ID: <478BC689.3090504@sugarloafprint.com>

Excellent news John.

Congratulations and Good Luck

-- 
Ron Sardo
Sugarloaf Print Shop
mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com
www.sugarloafprint.com
570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077

From John at mpcny.com  Mon Jan 14 15:41:40 2008
From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry)
Date: Mon Jan 14 15:41:54 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
In-Reply-To: <20080114201035.1AE8DD70320@rb.enter.net>
References: <20080114201035.1AE8DD70320@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <005501c856ed$dda95880$98fc0980$@com>

Ian the North East (rust belt) has been in recession for most of my adult
life. I am buying a 10,000+ sq foot building with 18 parking spaces for less
than $300,000. It has 2- 3 phase wiring panels, central air and 12 inch
concrete floors.

I do not think it can get much worse. It affected their price but not the
reason for sale. The 2 owners (brothers) did very well, they put money away
from to other business sales, investments and this is the final part for
them to go off and golf. They are both in their early 60's and I only hope
to do as well as they did. 

I will say this the best thing I did was get John's book and if I were
selling in the next 3-5 years I would read it over and over. I now see how
much my business is really worth and how to make it worth more. I am paying
very little above the cost of the building and wholesale equipment cost.
This is all H berg presses and in top condition. Nothing is not in A+ shape
and the business makes money.

If they had not done so well planning retirement, This would be a sad time
for them as they never could afford to retire in their early 60's this
comfortable from the printing sale only.

The other part is I am 47 and willing to take the risk. I did not see my
smaller firm providing me with the retirement I wanted if I stayed this
size. Yes, I earn a very good living, but not one that is building wealth as
fast as I want. This will and even more as I pay off the loans.

John M. Henry
Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
125-129 East First Street
Oswego, New York 13126
(315) 343-3531
(315) 343-3577 Fax
www.mpcny.com
John@mpcny.com

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From printer at ptialaska.net  Mon Jan 14 15:42:44 2008
From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln)
Date: Mon Jan 14 15:43:24 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash Itemizing on Invoice
In-Reply-To: <020e01c856eb$036d09c0$8302a8c0@Robbin>
References: <923050.71452.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<98f5b19a0801141208q36cf7a12hdff945a1b9cfd168@mail.gmail.com>
	<020e01c856eb$036d09c0$8302a8c0@Robbin>
Message-ID: <F8402636-2184-4C04-90F4-4CCCEFC55308@ptialaska.net>

On Jan 14, 2008, at 11:21 AM, Susan Compton wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> Interesting question has just come up about ink washes.  As I was  
> going into PrintSmith to do some price checking, I did an  
> experiment.  In the press definition, I changed the washup price to  
> $0 and the washup time to 0 minutes.  I figured the price on 1,000  
> one-color flyers.  I then went in and changed the washup price to  
> $20, with 0 minutes.  I figured the job again and got the same  
> price.  I then went in and switched - $0 price, 20 minutes. No  
> change in price. I then aded both $20 and 20 minutes and refigured  
> the job - no difference.


REPLY:
Did you enter "1" on the invoice under "washes" (color)?

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

Charles Lincoln
ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
612 30th Avenue
Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
(907) 451-1111
fax (907) 451-4511

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

From char at themasterspress.com  Mon Jan 14 15:46:54 2008
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Mon Jan 14 15:47:23 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Announcement of new Merger and thanks
In-Reply-To: <003901c856e5$d22308b0$76691a10$@com>
References: <003901c856e5$d22308b0$76691a10$@com>
Message-ID: <004901c856ee$9e0593f0$0b01a8c0@CharXP>

Woo Hoo John and Kathy.  That is great news.  Less traffic at the stop
light.  Could change your whole town.  This will be a busy and great year of
change for you guys.  Now Kathy will have to go visit all those people.  I
am excited for you guys.
ch

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:44 PM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
Importance: High

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I have just signed a purchase offer for my largest competitor. They are not
failing but at retirement age. I will talk more about this as things
progress but wanted to take this time to thank a few people on the list.

First the behind the scenes team who have been advising me and I have
bounced things off of. The true value of this list and going to conventions
is the people you become friends with and trust. All but one I have met and
broke bread with (+ lots of empty bottles of wine and beer). I shared all
the numbers with this group and leaned on them for both encouragement and
critical advice.

Dennis Trump, Jace, S, Robin, Gerry and Thom all were my team on this. They
saw the first offers right to the last. I thank them all, they helped me
keep my eye on the ball.

Next I am singling out John Stewart. Before I started this process I got
John's and Larry Hunts book "Print Shop for Sale". I read it cover to cover,
not with this deal in mind but to have an better understanding on what I
needed to know if a deal occurred. It was the best guide I could have found
and I was fortunate it was just out last summer. John Stewart and his book
saved me over $40,000 had I not used his methods to base my offer on. That
and it gave me the confidence to know I was not going into this blind or
getting taken advantage of.

Back up to this October. This got started with an email and phone call from
a business broker. He claimed he had a printing company he was representing
and was asking if I would sign a NDA and he would forward me the
confidential business profile. It turned out be my closest competitor, now
you make ask why they did not call himself? Well they wanted to keep it in
confidence and have help in setting their price marketing it.

In my view if they had called John or bought his book they could have saved
time and money.

They did do their research and had reasonable view about selling. The 2
partners had done very well and this was final part of entering retirement.
Their price was high but not outrageous.

At this time then I brought some of "my team" together. I also made the
decision to hire John on a consultative basis to run the numbers and give
his evaluation.  This was 2 part 1st I was in the I am buying mode and Kathy
was in the absolutely not buying mode. 2nd I wanted to take the emotion out
of the deal as much as I could. If I could not buy it for what John felt the
numbers justified I would not do the deal not matter how bad I wanted it.

The number I felt right off I would pay was around 85% of asking price.
John's numbers came in at less than I thought. So I made my first offer
based on the low range John suggested. They counterd at my original high
range; I was ready bite, but no Kathy and John said it was to high. So I
countered with the max John said.  After a few days they accepted with some
wording and minor structure changes.

John Stewart's advice and his book saved me over $40,000 from what I would
have paid. I happy to say I paid John less than a fraction of that. Money
well spent. For an $89 book and the small fee. I now had a deal that I was
confident in. Not only that but Kathy feels somewhat better<G> 


This still has some hurdles, we need to get bank financing as they did not
want to hold anything. We also will move into their location as they have
far more space over 10,000 square feet compared to our 3500. I have some
equipment to sell as we have duplicate of many things. Things like my 4
color GTOVP, 305 cutter and Baum legend 23 inch 4/4/4 folder. I will let the
list know how it all progress.

The big plus is my commute will now be 1/3 less I now I will only have to
drive 2 miles to work and no more stop light!

To wind it up I would say to anyone doing this slow down, get all the
information you can, get some professional advice and have you friends
looking over your back.

Today I met with the bank and all this will take months to close. When I do
close it will be at least 7-9 months total from the first contact with
sellers.

John M. Henry
Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
125-129 East First Street
Oswego, New York 13126
(315) 343-3531
(315) 343-3577 Fax
www.mpcny.com
John@mpcny.com

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From jgross at techiowa.com  Mon Jan 14 16:02:39 2008
From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross)
Date: Mon Jan 14 16:02:58 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
In-Reply-To: <003901c856e5$d22308b0$76691a10$@com>
Message-ID: <000a01c856f0$cc55e460$6900000a@tech.local>

I'm sure that you probably have this deal structured so that you buy the
assets rather than the corporation.  If you were to buy the corporation you
get all liabilities, even those that they might not even be aware of.

John A. Gross
Technigraphics, Inc
Iowa City, Iowa 52240
  techiowa.com


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:44 PM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
Importance: High

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I have just signed a purchase offer for my largest competitor. They are not
failing but at retirement age. I will talk more about this as things
progress but wanted to take this time to thank a few people on the list.

First the behind the scenes team who have been advising me and I have
bounced things off of. The true value of this list and going to conventions
is the people you become friends with and trust. All but one I have met and
broke bread with (+ lots of empty bottles of wine and beer). I shared all
the numbers with this group and leaned on them for both encouragement and
critical advice.

Dennis Trump, Jace, S, Robin, Gerry and Thom all were my team on this. They
saw the first offers right to the last. I thank them all, they helped me
keep my eye on the ball.

Next I am singling out John Stewart. Before I started this process I got
John's and Larry Hunts book "Print Shop for Sale". I read it cover to cover,
not with this deal in mind but to have an better understanding on what I
needed to know if a deal occurred. It was the best guide I could have found
and I was fortunate it was just out last summer. John Stewart and his book
saved me over $40,000 had I not used his methods to base my offer on. That
and it gave me the confidence to know I was not going into this blind or
getting taken advantage of.

Back up to this October. This got started with an email and phone call from
a business broker. He claimed he had a printing company he was representing
and was asking if I would sign a NDA and he would forward me the
confidential business profile. It turned out be my closest competitor, now
you make ask why they did not call himself? Well they wanted to keep it in
confidence and have help in setting their price marketing it.

In my view if they had called John or bought his book they could have saved
time and money.

They did do their research and had reasonable view about selling. The 2
partners had done very well and this was final part of entering retirement.
Their price was high but not outrageous.

At this time then I brought some of "my team" together. I also made the
decision to hire John on a consultative basis to run the numbers and give
his evaluation.  This was 2 part 1st I was in the I am buying mode and Kathy
was in the absolutely not buying mode. 2nd I wanted to take the emotion out
of the deal as much as I could. If I could not buy it for what John felt the
numbers justified I would not do the deal not matter how bad I wanted it.

The number I felt right off I would pay was around 85% of asking price.
John's numbers came in at less than I thought. So I made my first offer
based on the low range John suggested. They counterd at my original high
range; I was ready bite, but no Kathy and John said it was to high. So I
countered with the max John said.  After a few days they accepted with some
wording and minor structure changes.

John Stewart's advice and his book saved me over $40,000 from what I would
have paid. I happy to say I paid John less than a fraction of that. Money
well spent. For an $89 book and the small fee. I now had a deal that I was
confident in. Not only that but Kathy feels somewhat better<G> 


This still has some hurdles, we need to get bank financing as they did not
want to hold anything. We also will move into their location as they have
far more space over 10,000 square feet compared to our 3500. I have some
equipment to sell as we have duplicate of many things. Things like my 4
color GTOVP, 305 cutter and Baum legend 23 inch 4/4/4 folder. I will let the
list know how it all progress.

The big plus is my commute will now be 1/3 less I now I will only have to
drive 2 miles to work and no more stop light!

To wind it up I would say to anyone doing this slow down, get all the
information you can, get some professional advice and have you friends
looking over your back.

Today I met with the bank and all this will take months to close. When I do
close it will be at least 7-9 months total from the first contact with
sellers.

John M. Henry
Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
125-129 East First Street
Oswego, New York 13126
(315) 343-3531
(315) 343-3577 Fax
www.mpcny.com
John@mpcny.com

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From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Mon Jan 14 16:11:49 2008
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Mon Jan 14 16:11:55 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Don't over protect your women
Message-ID: <006801c856f2$13de28a0$6401a8c0@corapurvine>

I just got back from taking my husband to the hospital. They think he had a
slight stoke and will keep him for a couple of days to do more tests on him,
but this is for you guys.....don't so over protect your wives so that they
don't even know how to put gas in the car or air in the tire, etc. I have
been telling him for years that I need to learn how to do all that. 

I couldn't hardly get him to stay for the test he needs because he was so
worried about the things that I don't know. If he had of let me do these
things earlier and then this happened, it would have taken so much worry off
of him.

I did make it home OK and will tackle the gas thing tomorrow.

Everything is OK for now. Thanks for listening, Cora.

Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

From kevin at abfprints.com  Mon Jan 14 16:16:41 2008
From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko)
Date: Mon Jan 14 16:21:40 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
In-Reply-To: <003901c856e5$d22308b0$76691a10$@com>
References: <003901c856e5$d22308b0$76691a10$@com>
Message-ID: <032601c856f2$c1fff2b0$1c00a8c0@abf.local>

Congratulations John! I would love to know more of the details (Goodwill and
hard assets along with his prior sales for the previous three years) once it
closes escrow. Was there a building involved in the purchase? I purchased a
competitor 5 years ago and it was the best business move I ever made! 

Kevin Danko
Advantage Business Forms 
102 N. Riverside Ave.
Rialto, CA 92376
Phone: (909) 875-7163
Fax: (909) 875-7971
www.abfprints.com
E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:44 AM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
Importance: High

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I have just signed a purchase offer for my largest competitor. They are not
failing but at retirement age. I will talk more about this as things
progress but wanted to take this time to thank a few people on the list.

First the behind the scenes team who have been advising me and I have
bounced things off of. The true value of this list and going to conventions
is the people you become friends with and trust. All but one I have met and
broke bread with (+ lots of empty bottles of wine and beer). I shared all
the numbers with this group and leaned on them for both encouragement and
critical advice.

Dennis Trump, Jace, S, Robin, Gerry and Thom all were my team on this. They
saw the first offers right to the last. I thank them all, they helped me
keep my eye on the ball.

Next I am singling out John Stewart. Before I started this process I got
John's and Larry Hunts book "Print Shop for Sale". I read it cover to cover,
not with this deal in mind but to have an better understanding on what I
needed to know if a deal occurred. It was the best guide I could have found
and I was fortunate it was just out last summer. John Stewart and his book
saved me over $40,000 had I not used his methods to base my offer on. That
and it gave me the confidence to know I was not going into this blind or
getting taken advantage of.

Back up to this October. This got started with an email and phone call from
a business broker. He claimed he had a printing company he was representing
and was asking if I would sign a NDA and he would forward me the
confidential business profile. It turned out be my closest competitor, now
you make ask why they did not call himself? Well they wanted to keep it in
confidence and have help in setting their price marketing it.

In my view if they had called John or bought his book they could have saved
time and money.

They did do their research and had reasonable view about selling. The 2
partners had done very well and this was final part of entering retirement.
Their price was high but not outrageous.

At this time then I brought some of "my team" together. I also made the
decision to hire John on a consultative basis to run the numbers and give
his evaluation.  This was 2 part 1st I was in the I am buying mode and Kathy
was in the absolutely not buying mode. 2nd I wanted to take the emotion out
of the deal as much as I could. If I could not buy it for what John felt the
numbers justified I would not do the deal not matter how bad I wanted it.

The number I felt right off I would pay was around 85% of asking price.
John's numbers came in at less than I thought. So I made my first offer
based on the low range John suggested. They counterd at my original high
range; I was ready bite, but no Kathy and John said it was to high. So I
countered with the max John said.  After a few days they accepted with some
wording and minor structure changes.

John Stewart's advice and his book saved me over $40,000 from what I would
have paid. I happy to say I paid John less than a fraction of that. Money
well spent. For an $89 book and the small fee. I now had a deal that I was
confident in. Not only that but Kathy feels somewhat better<G> 


This still has some hurdles, we need to get bank financing as they did not
want to hold anything. We also will move into their location as they have
far more space over 10,000 square feet compared to our 3500. I have some
equipment to sell as we have duplicate of many things. Things like my 4
color GTOVP, 305 cutter and Baum legend 23 inch 4/4/4 folder. I will let the
list know how it all progress.

The big plus is my commute will now be 1/3 less I now I will only have to
drive 2 miles to work and no more stop light!

To wind it up I would say to anyone doing this slow down, get all the
information you can, get some professional advice and have you friends
looking over your back.

Today I met with the bank and all this will take months to close. When I do
close it will be at least 7-9 months total from the first contact with
sellers.

John M. Henry
Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
125-129 East First Street
Oswego, New York 13126
(315) 343-3531
(315) 343-3577 Fax
www.mpcny.com
John@mpcny.com

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From mail at myprinter.biz  Mon Jan 14 16:22:22 2008
From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz)
Date: Mon Jan 14 16:22:27 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Pantone  DS 62-1 C Red?????
In-Reply-To: <200801141927.m0EJRu6Z055072@i2bnetworks.com>
Message-ID: <BEEIIPIOGLPLKIAABOLAMEGLFFAA.mail@myprinter.biz>

S -

We have lots of those amatuers 'round these parts.

Having local "graphic artists" specify the "C" pantone color for
non-thermographic printing on non-gloss stock is pretty much standard.

Dan
Sir Speedy Printing Center
5845 Hollywood Boulevard
Hollywood, FL 33021
tel. 954.962.1309
fax 954.962.1366
dan@myprinter.biz
www.myprinter.biz


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Scott Cappel
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 2:24 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Pantone DS 62-1 C Red?????


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****


We have a name for those folk 'round these parts.....

Interns.

S.



At 08:09 AM 1/14/2008, you wrote:
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>Scott -
>
>Don't you just love it when a "graphic artist" - without the slightest
>thought about the recurring printing expenses for his/her client - designs
a
>stationery suite with five spot colors in hairline register, to be printed
>on linen stock, then tops it off by selling the client on the "C" version
of
>the pantone spot colors.
>
>Dan
>Sir Speedy Printing Center
>5845 Hollywood Boulevard
>Hollywood, FL 33021
>tel. 954.962.1309
>fax 954.962.1366
>dan@myprinter.biz
>www.myprinter.biz
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
>[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Scott Cappel
>Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:51 AM
>To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
>Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Pantone DS 62-1 C Red?????
>
>
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>
>No, the D does not stand for digital.
>
>The DS is the naming convention Pantone came up with a long time ago
>to designate their "process" color system.
>
>Unfortunately, I run into this all the time. Most people when they
>think of Pantone, they think of spot colors, but Pantone process
>color libraries are in place so designers can design content with a
>known color that is visible on a swatch book when it is used in a
>process color environment.
>
>The Pantone Process libraries have been incorporated into Adobe
>products for about as long as I can remember. They're available for
>use in the swatches palette along with the spot color libraries as well.
>
>They are very useful for getting colors right in process projects.
>Mostly in the offset environment
>
>Sadly, they are very underused because of the lack of knowledge by
>the design community.
>
>
>
>S.
>
>
>
>At 07:01 AM 1/14/2008, you wrote:
> >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> >
> >Can't answer that.
> >  We only use a KM-6500 - no 4-color presses.
> >
> >I believe these pantone nos. are set up for"Digital",
> >That is where the "d" comes from
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of R. Meier
> >Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:20 PM
> >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> >Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Pantone DS 62-1 C Red?????
> >
> >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> >
> >I've never tried this, but could you just mix the cmyk inks in that same
> >ratio to create a spot color?
> >
> >
> >Bernie Schreiber wrote:
> > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> > >
> > > Customer is not wrong
> > >
> > > Must be printed with 4-Color Process
> > >
> > > There are also some PMS nos. that differ.
> > >
> > > DS 62-1 C according to:
> > >
> > > Pantone Process Guide Coated
> > >
> > > Is:    C-0   M-90  Y-100  K-20
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Linda Baribeau
> > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:17 PM
> > > To: printowners@printweb.org
> > > Subject: [PrintOwners] Pantone DS 62-1 C Red?????
> > >
> > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> > >
> > > Good Afternoon,
> > >
> > > We received a file from a customer indicating this as the darker red
>they
> > > want printed. We are unfamiliar with this? Is this maybe for a digital
> > > press? If so I would need to convert to a regular PMS. Is the customer
> > > inaccurate?
> > >
> > > Any help would be appreciated.........Linda
> > > Linda Baribeau
> > > Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc.
> > > 2041 West Mill Road
> > > Glendale, WI  53209
> > > Ph. 414-332-2080  Fax 414-964-3299
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> >
> >
> >--
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> >Rob Meier
> >
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From clc at crownmax.com  Mon Jan 14 16:28:29 2008
From: clc at crownmax.com (Charlie Counts)
Date: Mon Jan 14 16:28:39 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
In-Reply-To: <032601c856f2$c1fff2b0$1c00a8c0@abf.local>
References: <003901c856e5$d22308b0$76691a10$@com>
	<032601c856f2$c1fff2b0$1c00a8c0@abf.local>
Message-ID: <001301c856f4$68439e50$7201a8c0@Crown.local>

 
John,

Best of luck with your deal. Looks like everyone can be happy with what you
have structured.

Tell Mr. Stewart that you had several lower prices but went with him because
of his calm demeanor.

Charlie Counts
CROWNMAX, Inc.
2301 Roxalana Road
P. O. Box 234
Dunbar, WV 25064
1-800-252-4011
Fax 304-744-8652
www.crownmax.com
 

From jgross at techiowa.com  Mon Jan 14 16:37:30 2008
From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross)
Date: Mon Jan 14 16:38:21 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Don't over protect your women
In-Reply-To: <006801c856f2$13de28a0$6401a8c0@corapurvine>
Message-ID: <000001c856f5$aad2d820$6900000a@tech.local>

So I should make the meatloaf and do the dishes while Carolyn runs the
snowblower.  Seriously.

Then try to learn Quickbooks so I could pay the bills while she refills the
water softner.  But sorting the laundry seems to be something that requires
a women.  I can wash and dry and fold things but sorting is beyond me.

John A. Gross
Technigraphics, Inc
Iowa City, Iowa 52240
  techiowa.com


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Purvine
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 3:12 PM
To: printowners@printweb.org; PrintOwnersNG
Subject: [PrintOwners] Don't over protect your women

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I just got back from taking my husband to the hospital. They think he had a
slight stoke and will keep him for a couple of days to do more tests on him,
but this is for you guys.....don't so over protect your wives so that they
don't even know how to put gas in the car or air in the tire, etc. I have
been telling him for years that I need to learn how to do all that. 

I couldn't hardly get him to stay for the test he needs because he was so
worried about the things that I don't know. If he had of let me do these
things earlier and then this happened, it would have taken so much worry off
of him.

I did make it home OK and will tackle the gas thing tomorrow.

Everything is OK for now. Thanks for listening, Cora.

Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

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From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Mon Jan 14 16:44:33 2008
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Mon Jan 14 16:44:37 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Don't over protect your women
In-Reply-To: <000001c856f5$aad2d820$6900000a@tech.local>
References: <006801c856f2$13de28a0$6401a8c0@corapurvine>
	<000001c856f5$aad2d820$6900000a@tech.local>
Message-ID: <006c01c856f6$a6d43dd0$6401a8c0@corapurvine>

John, you don't have to do it. That wasn't the point. Just that you and she
should know how to do it in case an emergency does come up. 


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Gross
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 3:38 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Don't over protect your women

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

So I should make the meatloaf and do the dishes while Carolyn runs the
snowblower.  Seriously.

Then try to learn Quickbooks so I could pay the bills while she refills the
water softner.  But sorting the laundry seems to be something that requires
a women.  I can wash and dry and fold things but sorting is beyond me.

John A. Gross
Technigraphics, Inc
Iowa City, Iowa 52240
  techiowa.com


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Purvine
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 3:12 PM
To: printowners@printweb.org; PrintOwnersNG
Subject: [PrintOwners] Don't over protect your women

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I just got back from taking my husband to the hospital. They think he had a
slight stoke and will keep him for a couple of days to do more tests on him,
but this is for you guys.....don't so over protect your wives so that they
don't even know how to put gas in the car or air in the tire, etc. I have
been telling him for years that I need to learn how to do all that. 

I couldn't hardly get him to stay for the test he needs because he was so
worried about the things that I don't know. If he had of let me do these
things earlier and then this happened, it would have taken so much worry off
of him.

I did make it home OK and will tackle the gas thing tomorrow.

Everything is OK for now. Thanks for listening, Cora.

Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

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From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com  Mon Jan 14 16:56:12 2008
From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau)
Date: Mon Jan 14 16:51:32 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] DS 62-1 C Follow up
Message-ID: <003501c856f8$489324a0$042967d3@kp4>

Oops customer admitted she copied it wrong! Just a plain old PMS color. But I did learn something. We had the pantone colors here but I never thought to look in those. Thanks for all your help. I'm getting too old for this!

Linda
Linda Baribeau
Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc.
2041 West Mill Road
Glendale, WI  53209
Ph. 414-332-2080  Fax 414-964-3299
From copythatnyc at aol.com  Mon Jan 14 17:12:37 2008
From: copythatnyc at aol.com (copythatnyc@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 14 17:12:56 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:  Test
Message-ID: <8CA2511B4F6B69E-130-2002@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com>


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From bherion at bucksdigital.com  Mon Jan 14 17:39:41 2008
From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion)
Date: Mon Jan 14 17:48:42 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe CS3 for $15
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080114172732.032d7030@bucksdigital.com>

Yep, if you are a school, you can purchase 500 licenses for less than $15 each.
Now, if you want to accept that file from the school and print it, be 
prepared to shell out up to 100 times or more that amount.
Sure, we already know that.

As an Adobe authorized service provider or whatever they call me 
these days for my membership fee, I get a "free" copy for one PC and 
one MAC, with their compliments, etc.
Used to be a better deal, but that's what we got and we know that, too.

What we don't know and are having a heck of a time finding is where 
to get the best price on an upgrade license for our other macs and pc's.
About the best I've found is forty times the school price ($600).
Anyone find better?

Thanks.

Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's
Bucks Digital Printing  v.215.579.4200    f.215-579-9510
90 Walker Lane  Newtown, PA 18940
www.bucksdigital.com

From sos at olympus.net  Mon Jan 14 17:57:07 2008
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Mon Jan 14 17:59:33 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Don't over protect your women
References: <006801c856f2$13de28a0$6401a8c0@corapurvine>
Message-ID: <045c01c85700$c9ddc530$6900a8c0@DANIEL>

> I did make it home OK and will tackle the gas thing tomorrow.
> 
> Everything is OK for now. Thanks for listening, Cora.
===================

Sorry to hear about Bernie.  Hope he recovers quickly.  
And you know Cora, if you can run a printshop, you can do anything.  

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860



From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Mon Jan 14 18:12:44 2008
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Mon Jan 14 18:12:48 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Don't over protect your women
In-Reply-To: <045c01c85700$c9ddc530$6900a8c0@DANIEL>
References: <006801c856f2$13de28a0$6401a8c0@corapurvine>
	<045c01c85700$c9ddc530$6900a8c0@DANIEL>
Message-ID: <009801c85702$f838eb10$6401a8c0@corapurvine>

Thanks to Dan and all the others for your prayers and words of
encouragement. It is much appreciated. You are right Dan, running a print
shop prepares you for most anything<G>Cora. 


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 4:57 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only; PrintOwnersNG
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Don't over protect your women

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

> I did make it home OK and will tackle the gas thing tomorrow.
> 
> Everything is OK for now. Thanks for listening, Cora.
===================

Sorry to hear about Bernie.  Hope he recovers quickly.  
And you know Cora, if you can run a printshop, you can do anything.  

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860



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From Susan at cdandp.net  Mon Jan 14 18:46:39 2008
From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton)
Date: Mon Jan 14 18:47:00 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash Itemizing on Invoice
References: <923050.71452.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com><98f5b19a0801141208q36cf7a12hdff945a1b9cfd168@mail.gmail.com><020e01c856eb$036d09c0$8302a8c0@Robbin>
	<F8402636-2184-4C04-90F4-4CCCEFC55308@ptialaska.net>
Message-ID: <02a801c85707$b57e4cc0$8302a8c0@Robbin>

Dear Charles,

I know this is a DUH, but I thought by adding it in on the press description 
it was supposed to automatically add it to the press charges automatically. 
Otherwise, why bother even setting it up under the press description?  Guess 
not.  Thanks!

Susan Wells Compton
Compton Design & Printing Inc.
109 South Jefferson Steet
Lexington, VA 24450
540-463-9232
540-464-4329 Fax
Susan@cdandp.net
www.cdandp.net

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From: "Charles A. Lincoln" <printer@ptialaska.net>
To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Color Wash Itemizing on Invoice


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> On Jan 14, 2008, at 11:21 AM, Susan Compton wrote:
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>> Interesting question has just come up about ink washes.  As I was  going 
>> into PrintSmith to do some price checking, I did an  experiment.  In the 
>> press definition, I changed the washup price to  $0 and the washup time 
>> to 0 minutes.  I figured the price on 1,000  one-color flyers.  I then 
>> went in and changed the washup price to  $20, with 0 minutes.  I figured 
>> the job again and got the same  price.  I then went in and switched - $0 
>> price, 20 minutes. No  change in price. I then aded both $20 and 20 
>> minutes and refigured  the job - no difference.
>
>
> REPLY:
> Did you enter "1" on the invoice under "washes" (color)?
>
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From sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com  Mon Jan 14 19:13:06 2008
From: sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com (Date-Line Digital Printing)
Date: Mon Jan 14 19:17:44 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Rural: how small??
In-Reply-To: <478BC1A2.2090303@sugarloafprint.com>
References: <2C7649F1-1C35-45E3-B867-F09A6AD4A4B6@protypeonline.com>	<030401c856ce$62a98e30$6900a8c0@DANIEL>
	<478BC1A2.2090303@sugarloafprint.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c8570b$694cb270$3be61750$@com>

For rural.... does size matter if the next closest metro area is over 300
miles away? Just wondering?

Travis Lewis
Date-line Digital Printing
Fairbanks, Alaska

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Sugarloaf PA, Population 3,622

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From joseph at mauiprintworks.com  Mon Jan 14 20:24:46 2008
From: joseph at mauiprintworks.com (Joseph Marsh)
Date: Mon Jan 14 20:25:06 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Moving a QM 46
Message-ID: <523E7DD4-7FBD-4948-A413-35691CBEB98A@mauiprintworks.com>

Has anyone moved there QM 46 on their own before?  We just got an  
envelope feeder and we will need to shift our press about 2 ft.  Any  
tips?

Joseph Marsh
Maui Print Works
Phone: 808-242-6634
Fax: 808-242-8967
Cell: 808-264-6382
joseph@mauiprintworks.com



From scott at usacolor.com  Mon Jan 14 20:47:24 2008
From: scott at usacolor.com (scott)
Date: Mon Jan 14 20:47:42 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Moving a QM 46
In-Reply-To: <523E7DD4-7FBD-4948-A413-35691CBEB98A@mauiprintworks.com>
References: <523E7DD4-7FBD-4948-A413-35691CBEB98A@mauiprintworks.com>
Message-ID: <478C10AC.2020300@usacolor.com>

standard pallet jack - or apply oil to the floor and push!

Scott Balsiger, 
President
USA Color Printing Inc.
www.usacolor.com
791 Manhomen Dr.
Bemidji, MN 56601
800-759-9126
218-759-9126
218-759-2883(fax)
218-556-5505(cell)



Joseph Marsh wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Has anyone moved there QM 46 on their own before?  We just got an  
> envelope feeder and we will need to shift our press about 2 ft.  Any  
> tips?
>
> Joseph Marsh
> Maui Print Works
> Phone: 808-242-6634
> Fax: 808-242-8967
> Cell: 808-264-6382
> joseph@mauiprintworks.com
>
>
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From char at themasterspress.com  Mon Jan 14 22:16:48 2008
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Mon Jan 14 22:17:03 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Moving a QM 46
In-Reply-To: <523E7DD4-7FBD-4948-A413-35691CBEB98A@mauiprintworks.com>
Message-ID: <C3B181C0.1600%char@themasterspress.com>

We got a couple of guys and pushed ours probably 4 ft.
No problem
ch


On 1/14/08 7:24 PM, "Joseph Marsh" <joseph@mauiprintworks.com> wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> Has anyone moved there QM 46 on their own before?  We just got an
> envelope feeder and we will need to shift our press about 2 ft.  Any
> tips?
> 
> Joseph Marsh
> Maui Print Works
> Phone: 808-242-6634
> Fax: 808-242-8967
> Cell: 808-264-6382
> joseph@mauiprintworks.com
> 
> 
> 
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> 

Charlene Sims
The Master?s Press, Inc.
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx 75244
972-387-0046
Fax  972-404-0317
Char@themasterspress.com



From david.doost at gmail.com  Mon Jan 14 23:56:43 2008
From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost)
Date: Mon Jan 14 23:56:58 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Moving a QM 46
In-Reply-To: <C3B181C0.1600%char@themasterspress.com>
References: <523E7DD4-7FBD-4948-A413-35691CBEB98A@mauiprintworks.com>
	<C3B181C0.1600%char@themasterspress.com>
Message-ID: <478c3d0e.08d2260a.319e.4992@mx.google.com>

We had to move one about 12 ft.
Learned about this nifty little trick from our favorite H tech.
The QM has 4 little feet on the bottom 4 corners of the press.
They are not easily visible. We never knew about them.
Our guy brought in 4 or 5 small metal dowels that were slightly larger than
the width of the press.
He "lifted" the press by means of the front feet, then inserted the dowels
and
lo & behold we rolled the heavy press like it weighed 100 lbs instead of 2
tons!
He would roll it forward a few feet then take 2 dowels out from the back
and put them back in the front.
This is hard to explain in an email. I wish I had taken a video!

If you call the H 800 tech hotline, they will explain better how to do this.
Hope that helps.


David Doost
Printing Impression
1200 Barrett Pkwy Suite 4
Kennesaw, GA 30144
www.printingimpression.net





On 1/14/08 7:24 PM, "Joseph Marsh" <joseph@mauiprintworks.com> wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> Has anyone moved there QM 46 on their own before?  We just got an
> envelope feeder and we will need to shift our press about 2 ft.  Any
> tips?
> 
> Joseph Marsh
> Maui Print Works
> Phone: 808-242-6634
> Fax: 808-242-8967
> Cell: 808-264-6382
> joseph@mauiprintworks.com
> 
> 
> 
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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> 
> 

Charlene Sims
The Master?s Press, Inc.
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx 75244
972-387-0046
Fax  972-404-0317
Char@themasterspress.com



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From bill at mauiprintworks.com  Tue Jan 15 02:12:41 2008
From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works)
Date: Tue Jan 15 02:13:02 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Moving a QM 46
In-Reply-To: <478c3d0e.08d2260a.319e.4992@mx.google.com>
References: <523E7DD4-7FBD-4948-A413-35691CBEB98A@mauiprintworks.com>
	<C3B181C0.1600%char@themasterspress.com>
	<478c3d0e.08d2260a.319e.4992@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <C7AB0F7C-F299-4034-BD96-C07C10DD4CE4@mauiprintworks.com>

That makes perfect sense and I know the "feet" or lifting holes  
you're talking about. We brought our cutter in on roller bars.
We're renting a pallet jack tomorrow.
Thanks for all responses. Any other tips or cautions are helpful.
(Scott, how do you keep pushing once your feet hit the oil?)
With the pallet jack do you lift the ends and then go in from the non- 
op side.

Bill Marsh
Maui Print Works
70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793
bill@mauiprintworks.com
808-242-6634


David Doost wrote:
> We had to move one about 12 ft.
> Learned about this nifty little trick from our favorite H tech.
> The QM has 4 little feet on the bottom 4 corners of the press.
> They are not easily visible. We never knew about them.
> Our guy brought in 4 or 5 small metal dowels that were slightly  
> larger than
> the width of the press.
> He "lifted" the press by means of the front feet, then inserted the  
> dowels
> and
> lo & behold we rolled the heavy press like it weighed 100 lbs  
> instead of 2
> tons!
> He would roll it forward a few feet then take 2 dowels out from the  
> back
> and put them back in the front.
> This is hard to explain in an email. I wish I had taken a video!
>
> If you call the H 800 tech hotline, they will explain better how to  
> do this.
> Hope that helps.
>
> David Doost
> Printing Impression
> 1200 Barrett Pkwy Suite 4
> Kennesaw, GA 30144
> www.printingimpression.net
>
>>
>> Has anyone moved there QM 46 on their own before?  We just got an
>> envelope feeder and we will need to shift our press about 2 ft.  Any
>> tips?
>>
>> Joseph Marsh
>> Maui Print Works
>> Phone: 808-242-6634
>> Fax: 808-242-8967
>> Cell: 808-264-6382
>> joseph@mauiprintworks.com
>>
From bill at mauiprintworks.com  Tue Jan 15 03:10:53 2008
From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works)
Date: Tue Jan 15 03:11:10 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Rural: was   Color Wash (Dominick's Printing)
In-Reply-To: <001f01c85675$07229b50$0200a8c0@Brian>
References: <2C7649F1-1C35-45E3-B867-F09A6AD4A4B6@protypeonline.com>
	<001f01c85675$07229b50$0200a8c0@Brian>
Message-ID: <0B91E636-13A3-4CC9-842F-F5C141F1F319@mauiprintworks.com>

Houghton Michigan, wow you are out in the sticks. My Grandpa was an  
engineer in Houghton in the late 1960's. My Uncle and cousins lived  
in Champion Mich. Beautiful country, visited there around 1969.

Bill Marsh
Maui Print Works
70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793
bill@mauiprintworks.com
808-242-6634


Brian Helminen wrote:
> Draw a circle with a 7 mile radius with us in the middle and you  
> will have less than 20,000. Make that a 4 mile radius and there are  
> MAYBE 200 (yes, 200 not 2000)
> Our mailing address is Calumet, but we are 6 miles south of  
> Calumet, pop of 1000. Laurium borders Calumet and uses the same zip  
> code, but has own post office with a population of 3000.
> 5 miles south of us are two other boarding towns of Houghton and  
> Hancock, with a total population of 12,000 not including 6000  
> college students during the school year. We are literally "in the  
> sticks" on the highway between small towns... the nearest building  
> is 1/2 mile up the road. Oh, I forgot, there are 2 houses behind us  
> through the trees a few acres away.
> There are 3 other printers here, covering our county with a total  
> pop of 35,000. Boy this is depressing! 35,000 divided by 4 printers  
> = only 7000 people per printer!
>
> I feel kind of funny trying to brag about how rural we are because  
> after all why would anybody in their right mind try to operate a  
> high overhead business like a print shop where there are no people?
> Oh well, we're happy here (I was just joking about the depressing  
> part) with ski hill nearby and living at the lake in the summers.
> Check it out here: http://www.city-data.com/city/Houghton- 
> Michigan.html
>
> Brian Helminen
>>
>> HA!!!! You lose big time Joe!!! And Brian, I think you'll lose also!
>>
>> Paxton has a population of 4,200 and that count was taken one   
>> Christmas Day when all visiting relatives and pets were counted.
>>
>> Our school district covers well OVER 400 square miles ...that is a  
>> 20 mile x 20 mile square -- and still we have only 1500 students in
>> grades k-12 in CUSD#10.
>>
>> Nearest biggest city is a college town, Champaign, University of  
>> Illinois, 30 miles from Paxton. Take out the students, 35,000 of  
>> them  and you have another small town. I'm the only printer in   
>> Paxton....other one (27 years ago some of the employees at this  
>> shop  told me I would go broke or they would run me out of  
>> business) closed  its doors last August. They also published two  
>> local newspapers, one  of which was the smallest daily newspaper  
>> in the entire state of  Illinois! 4 page newspaper every day!!!!
>>
>> Can you top that? 11,000? We don't have that many residents in  
>> Ford County. Paxton is the county seat, home to the Ford County  
>> Courthouse. Local hospital .....30 beds is located 12 miles from  
>> Paxton in Gibson City where residents are still angry they didn't  
>> "win" the battle for  the Courthouse...but did get a "mini"  
>> McDonald's. Grocery  store.....about 5 years ago they thought they  
>> were cutting edge when  they made BAGELS, only frozen, available  
>> to customers.
>>
>> Okay....the contest is ON.............who has a printing business   
>> located in a community more rural than Paxton, IL?????
>>
>> robin
>>
>> Robin Niewold
>> Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
>> 130 N. Market Street
>> Paxton, IL 60957
>> 217.379.4715
>> robin@protypeonline.com
>>
>>
From John at mpcny.com  Tue Jan 15 07:46:15 2008
From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry)
Date: Tue Jan 15 07:46:18 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Moving a QM 46 
Message-ID: <005201c85774$a13a6240$e3af26c0$@com>

I like the oil trick, works for us. Just make sure it is level after, you
also may want to unplug it before you push <G>

John M. Henry
Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
125-129 East First Street
Oswego, New York 13126
(315) 343-3531
(315) 343-3577 Fax
www.mpcny.com
John@mpcny.com


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From swiftyprinting at mac.com  Tue Jan 15 08:08:26 2008
From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck)
Date: Tue Jan 15 08:08:47 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Moving a QM 46
In-Reply-To: <005201c85774$a13a6240$e3af26c0$@com>
References: <005201c85774$a13a6240$e3af26c0$@com>
Message-ID: <A2461DA4-5F94-4538-8E6B-2BFF89740377@mac.com>


On Jan 15, 2008, at 7:46 AM,:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I like the oil trick, works for us. Just make sure it is level  
> after, you
> also may want to unplug it before you push <G>

The best thing is to have the rigging company that H uses to set them  
up move it. There are no leveling legs on the QM46, they use shims. SO  
if you slide it it will not be level. The water trays are so shallow  
that the slightest unlevel creates problems. You need a professional  
level (not your standard bubble builder's level).

A simple 6 inch move could create big printing problems later.

It should run about $350 for the riggers to move it and level it.




Chuck Pappas
Arlington Swifty Printing
1386 Massachusetts Avenue
Arlington, MA 02476
781-646-8700
www.arlingtonswifty.com
Member: National Association of Quick Printers
Print Industry of New England
GATF
Adobe Service Network
Quark Alliance
Microsoft Publisher Provider


From swiftyprinting at mac.com  Tue Jan 15 08:56:20 2008
From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck)
Date: Tue Jan 15 08:56:37 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] How to stop Employee time theft
Message-ID: <7857CD9D-6935-44C4-BD3B-6130FAEBE919@mac.com>

Okay if this was already said, ignore it (I didn't read all the emails).

You know how the new cars have the keyless entry. Just need to have  
the key in your pocket and the door opens and the car starts.

We make up employee ID badges with a chip in it. Install readers at  
the bathroom door, back smoking door, etc. Every time the employee  
goes in the bathroom they get clocked out and then when they pass the  
reader on the way out they get clocked in again. Just think of the  
possibilities. You can install the readers at their stations, in  
between stations, (no need to pay them when they are walking slowly to  
the next work station) on their chairs, the possibilities are endless.  
(Hee, hee)




Chuck Pappas
Arlington Swifty Printing
1386 Massachusetts Avenue
Arlington, MA 02476
781-646-8700
www.arlingtonswifty.com
Member: National Association of Quick Printers
Print Industry of New England
GATF
Adobe Service Network
Quark Alliance
Microsoft Publisher Provider


From gamble at choiceonemail.com  Tue Jan 15 08:54:14 2008
From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird)
Date: Tue Jan 15 09:01:48 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Moving a QM 46
In-Reply-To: <A2461DA4-5F94-4538-8E6B-2BFF89740377@mac.com>
References: <005201c85774$a13a6240$e3af26c0$@com>
	<A2461DA4-5F94-4538-8E6B-2BFF89740377@mac.com>
Message-ID: <014001c8577e$1dc7ac60$0301a8c0@RICK>

Oh well.. So much for John and Kathy oiling up the street to move there
equipment between buildings.  :)


	Congrats on your newest edition John and Kathy..very exciting times


Rick Bird
Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc.
3649 California Road
Orchard Park, NY 14127
(716) 662-1515
(716) 662-5917 - Fax
gamble@choiceonemail.com - email

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Chuck
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:08 AM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Moving a QM 46
Importance: High

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****


On Jan 15, 2008, at 7:46 AM,:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I like the oil trick, works for us. Just make sure it is level  
> after, you
> also may want to unplug it before you push <G>

The best thing is to have the rigging company that H uses to set them  
up move it. There are no leveling legs on the QM46, they use shims. SO  
if you slide it it will not be level. The water trays are so shallow  
that the slightest unlevel creates problems. You need a professional  
level (not your standard bubble builder's level).

A simple 6 inch move could create big printing problems later.

It should run about $350 for the riggers to move it and level it.




Chuck Pappas
Arlington Swifty Printing
1386 Massachusetts Avenue
Arlington, MA 02476
781-646-8700
www.arlingtonswifty.com
Member: National Association of Quick Printers
Print Industry of New England
GATF
Adobe Service Network
Quark Alliance
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From championprinting at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 15 09:20:31 2008
From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly)
Date: Tue Jan 15 09:20:46 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
Message-ID: <287618.56563.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Congratulations John. Your description makes it sound more like an acquisition than a merger. Your comment " I am paying very little above the cost of the building and wholesale equipment cost." left me baffled as to why the sellers bothered to negotiate with you. As someone nearing retirement age, I see no incentive to sell my business for the wholesale value of equipment. This is something I can do anytime and do not understand how this can be a win/win situation. I just read the JS & LH book and worked the formulas. In spite of the multiple methodologies given, it's still seems a bit of a "Ouija board" procedure but much better that dealing with a business broker. Using the formulas, the value of my shop is about what I expected (according to my interpretation of the book). If a seller offered that amount (or close to it), I would be inclined to accept. A wholesale equipment value offer would indicate I should hold on to the the business (for the
 positive cash flow if for no other reason) and dispose of it at my connivance. Again, congratulations on making a deal that appears to be a bargain for you. Any potential sellers have any thoughts?
 
Ted Gelletly
Champion Printing
5401 New Expansion Drive
Eldersburg MD 21784
410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488
ted@championprintingonline.com 


----- Original Message ----
From: John Henry <John@mpcny.com>
To: printowners@printweb.org
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 3:41:40 PM
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks

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Ian the North East (rust belt) has been in recession for most of my adult
life. I am buying a 10,000+ sq foot building with 18 parking spaces for less
than $300,000. It has 2- 3 phase wiring panels, central air and 12 inch
concrete floors.

I do not think it can get much worse. It affected their price but not the
reason for sale. The 2 owners (brothers) did very well, they put money away
from to other business sales, investments and this is the final part for
them to go off and golf. They are both in their early 60's and I only hope
to do as well as they did. 

I will say this the best thing I did was get John's book and if I were
selling in the next 3-5 years I would read it over and over. I now see how
much my business is really worth and how to make it worth more. I am paying
very little above the cost of the building and wholesale equipment cost.
This is all H berg presses and in top condition. Nothing is not in A+ shape
and the business makes money.

If they had not done so well planning retirement, This would be a sad time
for them as they never could afford to retire in their early 60's this
comfortable from the printing sale only.

The other part is I am 47 and willing to take the risk. I did not see my
smaller firm providing me with the retirement I wanted if I stayed this
size. Yes, I earn a very good living, but not one that is building wealth as
fast as I want. This will and even more as I pay off the loans.

John M. Henry
Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
125-129 East First Street
Oswego, New York 13126
(315) 343-3531
(315) 343-3577 Fax
www.mpcny.com
John@mpcny.com

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From kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com  Tue Jan 15 10:09:22 2008
From: kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com (Kirk Squiers)
Date: Tue Jan 15 10:10:06 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] BRING BACK JACK!!
Message-ID: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B1198208@fpserver.FP.local>

I heartily agree! This list has been less funny without Jack!! 


Please sign this petition if you concur and pass it on.

1. Kirk Squiers, Lansing Michigan

Kirk K. Squiers
Central Michigan Graphics
1200 E. Oakland
Lansing, Michigan 48906
www.centralmichigangraphics.com
517-230-8600
kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com
        

 
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Susan Compton
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 9:26 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] mac OS leopard - Now Jack Edwards

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Is Jack's dilemma a technical issue or a censoring issue?

If it's a technical issue, someone needs to help him get it fixed.

If it is a censoring issue, I'm afraid I don't know the details, but I'd

like to see him come back.  He often had good information,and his life
story 
was fascinating.

Bring Jack Back!

Susan Wells Compton
Compton Design & Printing Inc.
109 South Jefferson Steet
Lexington, VA 24450
540-463-9232
540-464-4329 Fax
Susan@cdandp.net
www.cdandp.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Harry Brelsford" <Harry@VarsityGraphics.com.au>
To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] mac OS leopard


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>
> Just got this from Jack Edwards
>
> Harry,
>
> I can't post to printowners anymore but I still get everything. I've
been 
> using an Intel Mac Pro with Leopard for approx 1 month now and I've 
> experienced very few problems.
>
> The font problems I've encountered were fixed by opening Font Book and

> fixing the preferences. I think it had to do with the auto activation
and 
> I just turned that off.
>
> As far as print drivers, we do everything to pdf  and that hasn't been
a 
> problem with Leopard. As a matter of fact, I think it has been the
most 
> non-eventful Mac system upgrade so far.
>
> Feel free to post this for me if you want to.
>
> Jack Edwards
> -- 
>
>
> Harry Brelsford
>
> Varsity Graphics
> Shop 2 - 195 Varsity Parade
> Varsity Lakes QLD 4227
> Australia
> Ph: 61 7 5575 9417
> Fax: 61 7 5575 8091
> Harry@VarsityGraphics.com.au
> _______________________________________________
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From dennisewing at satx.rr.com  Tue Jan 15 10:28:42 2008
From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing)
Date: Tue Jan 15 10:28:56 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Moving a QM 46
In-Reply-To: <C7AB0F7C-F299-4034-BD96-C07C10DD4CE4@mauiprintworks.com>
References: <523E7DD4-7FBD-4948-A413-35691CBEB98A@mauiprintworks.com>
	<C3B181C0.1600%char@themasterspress.com>
	<478c3d0e.08d2260a.319e.4992@mx.google.com>
	<C7AB0F7C-F299-4034-BD96-C07C10DD4CE4@mauiprintworks.com>
Message-ID: <478CD12A.3040809@satx.rr.com>

I just moved mine over to make a little more room around the new cutter. 
I went to Lowes and bought some of the large furniture glides and 
slipped the leveling stuff out and slipped those under it pushed it over 
and releveled. Don't forget to check to be sure you are level in all 
directions after it is in its new home.

Dennis W. Ewing Sr
Ewing and Sons Printing
12000 Crownpoint, #130
San Antonio, TX 78233
dennisewing@satx.rr.com
ewingandsons@satx.rr.com
210/650-5311
210/650-9916 Fax



Maui Print Works wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> That makes perfect sense and I know the "feet" or lifting holes you're 
> talking about. We brought our cutter in on roller bars.
> We're renting a pallet jack tomorrow.
> Thanks for all responses. Any other tips or cautions are helpful.
> (Scott, how do you keep pushing once your feet hit the oil?)
> With the pallet jack do you lift the ends and then go in from the 
> non-op side.
>
> Bill Marsh
> Maui Print Works
> 70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793
> bill@mauiprintworks.com
> 808-242-6634
>
>
> David Doost wrote:
>> We had to move one about 12 ft.
>> Learned about this nifty little trick from our favorite H tech.
>> The QM has 4 little feet on the bottom 4 corners of the press.
>> They are not easily visible. We never knew about them.
>> Our guy brought in 4 or 5 small metal dowels that were slightly 
>> larger than
>> the width of the press.
>> He "lifted" the press by means of the front feet, then inserted the 
>> dowels
>> and
>> lo & behold we rolled the heavy press like it weighed 100 lbs instead 
>> of 2
>> tons!
>> He would roll it forward a few feet then take 2 dowels out from the back
>> and put them back in the front.
>> This is hard to explain in an email. I wish I had taken a video!
>>
>> If you call the H 800 tech hotline, they will explain better how to 
>> do this.
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> David Doost
>> Printing Impression
>> 1200 Barrett Pkwy Suite 4
>> Kennesaw, GA 30144
>> www.printingimpression.net
>>
>>>
>>> Has anyone moved there QM 46 on their own before?  We just got an
>>> envelope feeder and we will need to shift our press about 2 ft.  Any
>>> tips?
>>>
>>> Joseph Marsh
>>> Maui Print Works
>>> Phone: 808-242-6634
>>> Fax: 808-242-8967
>>> Cell: 808-264-6382
>>> joseph@mauiprintworks.com
>>>
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From jeff at hprinting.biz  Tue Jan 15 10:36:28 2008
From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines)
Date: Tue Jan 15 10:36:50 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] CD's
Message-ID: <20080115153621.1963.32666@hm-pop1.solinus.com>

I have a customer who wants to have us prepare 
CDs for them with there catalogs on it. They also 
want printed CD holders. I've saved a couple of 
postcards advertising them that I've received in 
the mail last year. I called them and found out 
they would give me the same price as my customer. 
I need a trade source for CDs. Does anyone have a 
recommendation of who they worked with and were pleased with?


Jeff

Haines Printing Co.
10575 W. Main Rd.
North East, PA 16428
(814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244
email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz  
From bob at bergey.net  Tue Jan 15 10:50:11 2008
From: bob at bergey.net (Bob Bergey)
Date: Tue Jan 15 10:50:21 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] BRING BACK JACK!!
In-Reply-To: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B1198208@fpserver.FP.local>
References: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B1198208@fpserver.FP.local>
Message-ID: <p06240806c3b2866e9875@[192.168.1.103]>

At 10:09 AM -0500 on 1/15/08, Kirk Squiers wrote:

>  I heartily agree! This list has been less funny without Jack!!

He's never been gone ... we just have to teach him to post from the 
same address at which he's subscribed. :)

Bob
-- 

======================================================================
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From gamble at choiceonemail.com  Tue Jan 15 10:52:24 2008
From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird)
Date: Tue Jan 15 10:52:56 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] BRING BACK JACK!!
In-Reply-To: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B1198208@fpserver.FP.local>
References: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B1198208@fpserver.FP.local>
Message-ID: <017e01c8578e$9f9035e0$0301a8c0@RICK>

I heartily agree! This list has been less funny without Jack!! 


Please sign this petition if you concur and pass it on.

1. Kirk Squiers, Lansing Michigan
2. Rick Bird, Orchard Park, New York

Rick Bird
Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc.
3649 California Road
Orchard Park, NY 14127
(716) 662-1515
(716) 662-5917 - Fax
gamble@choiceonemail.com - email


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kirk Squiers
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:09 AM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] BRING BACK JACK!!

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I heartily agree! This list has been less funny without Jack!! 


Please sign this petition if you concur and pass it on.

1. Kirk Squiers, Lansing Michigan
2. Rick Bird, Orchard Park, New York 
Kirk K. Squiers
Central Michigan Graphics
1200 E. Oakland
Lansing, Michigan 48906
www.centralmichigangraphics.com
517-230-8600
kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com
        

 
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Susan Compton
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 9:26 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] mac OS leopard - Now Jack Edwards

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Is Jack's dilemma a technical issue or a censoring issue?

If it's a technical issue, someone needs to help him get it fixed.

If it is a censoring issue, I'm afraid I don't know the details, but I'd

like to see him come back.  He often had good information,and his life
story 
was fascinating.

Bring Jack Back!

Susan Wells Compton
Compton Design & Printing Inc.
109 South Jefferson Steet
Lexington, VA 24450
540-463-9232
540-464-4329 Fax
Susan@cdandp.net
www.cdandp.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Harry Brelsford" <Harry@VarsityGraphics.com.au>
To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] mac OS leopard


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>
> Just got this from Jack Edwards
>
> Harry,
>
> I can't post to printowners anymore but I still get everything. I've
been 
> using an Intel Mac Pro with Leopard for approx 1 month now and I've 
> experienced very few problems.
>
> The font problems I've encountered were fixed by opening Font Book and

> fixing the preferences. I think it had to do with the auto activation
and 
> I just turned that off.
>
> As far as print drivers, we do everything to pdf  and that hasn't been
a 
> problem with Leopard. As a matter of fact, I think it has been the
most 
> non-eventful Mac system upgrade so far.
>
> Feel free to post this for me if you want to.
>
> Jack Edwards
> -- 
>
>
> Harry Brelsford
>
> Varsity Graphics
> Shop 2 - 195 Varsity Parade
> Varsity Lakes QLD 4227
> Australia
> Ph: 61 7 5575 9417
> Fax: 61 7 5575 8091
> Harry@VarsityGraphics.com.au
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>
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From richard at weprintcary.com  Tue Jan 15 11:05:05 2008
From: richard at weprintcary.com (Richard Cobb)
Date: Tue Jan 15 11:05:54 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] BRING BACK JACK!!
In-Reply-To: <017e01c8578e$9f9035e0$0301a8c0@RICK>
References: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B1198208@fpserver.FP.local>
	<017e01c8578e$9f9035e0$0301a8c0@RICK>
Message-ID: <478CD9B1.6070608@weprintcary.com>



> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> I heartily agree! This list has been less funny without Jack!! 
> 
> 
> Please sign this petition if you concur and pass it on.
> 
> 1. Kirk Squiers, Lansing Michigan
> 2. Rick Bird, Orchard Park, New York
> 3. Richard Cobb, Cary, NC

Richard Cobb
Allegra Print & Imaging
1155 Kildaire Farm Road
Cary, NC  27511
919-468-3334
fax 919-468-3880

The Future of Printing is Here

Helping Businesses Find Ways to Enhance the VALUE of Their
Print Communications!

> Rick Bird
> Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc.
> 3649 California Road
> Orchard Park, NY 14127
> (716) 662-1515
> (716) 662-5917 - Fax
> gamble@choiceonemail.com - email
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kirk Squiers
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:09 AM
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> Subject: [PrintOwners] BRING BACK JACK!!
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> I heartily agree! This list has been less funny without Jack!! 
> 
> 
> Please sign this petition if you concur and pass it on.
> 
> 1. Kirk Squiers, Lansing Michigan
> 2. Rick Bird, Orchard Park, New York 
> Kirk K. Squiers
> Central Michigan Graphics
> 1200 E. Oakland
> Lansing, Michigan 48906
> www.centralmichigangraphics.com
> 517-230-8600
> kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com
>         
> 
>  
>  
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Susan Compton
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 9:26 PM
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] mac OS leopard - Now Jack Edwards
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> Is Jack's dilemma a technical issue or a censoring issue?
> 
> If it's a technical issue, someone needs to help him get it fixed.
> 
> If it is a censoring issue, I'm afraid I don't know the details, but I'd
> 
> like to see him come back.  He often had good information,and his life
> story 
> was fascinating.
> 
> Bring Jack Back!
> 
> Susan Wells Compton
> Compton Design & Printing Inc.
> 109 South Jefferson Steet
> Lexington, VA 24450
> 540-463-9232
> 540-464-4329 Fax
> Susan@cdandp.net
> www.cdandp.net
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Harry Brelsford" <Harry@VarsityGraphics.com.au>
> To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" 
> <printowners@printweb.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 9:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] mac OS leopard
> 
> 
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>>
>> Just got this from Jack Edwards
>>
>> Harry,
>>
>> I can't post to printowners anymore but I still get everything. I've
> been 
>> using an Intel Mac Pro with Leopard for approx 1 month now and I've 
>> experienced very few problems.
>>
>> The font problems I've encountered were fixed by opening Font Book and
> 
>> fixing the preferences. I think it had to do with the auto activation
> and 
>> I just turned that off.
>>
>> As far as print drivers, we do everything to pdf  and that hasn't been
> a 
>> problem with Leopard. As a matter of fact, I think it has been the
> most 
>> non-eventful Mac system upgrade so far.
>>
>> Feel free to post this for me if you want to.
>>
>> Jack Edwards
>> -- 
>>
>>
>> Harry Brelsford
>>
>> Varsity Graphics
>> Shop 2 - 195 Varsity Parade
>> Varsity Lakes QLD 4227
>> Australia
>> Ph: 61 7 5575 9417
>> Fax: 61 7 5575 8091
>> Harry@VarsityGraphics.com.au
>> _______________________________________________
>> PrintOwners Discussion List
>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>>
>>
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> 
> 
From sos at olympus.net  Tue Jan 15 11:27:40 2008
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Tue Jan 15 11:30:08 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
References: <287618.56563.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <04e801c85793$8c7647b0$6900a8c0@DANIEL>

> Any potential sellers have any thoughts?
=====================

Your business is worth what you can sell it for. Period.  If there are no 
buyers, it has no value.  Doesn't matter what books you read or method of 
valuation you use.
John is in a fairly small area way up north in NY.  There would be very few 
potential buyers for a printshop.  Here in my town, it's hard to imagine who 
would possibly buy my business other than the other print shop in town.  And 
he would bargain hard knowing if he just stood pat he'd eventually get all 
the business anyway.
Those are my cheerful thoughts.


Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860



From jann at jannsdesign.com  Tue Jan 15 11:31:32 2008
From: jann at jannsdesign.com (Jann Leger)
Date: Tue Jan 15 11:40:40 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Don't over protect your women
In-Reply-To: <006801c856f2$13de28a0$6401a8c0@corapurvine>
References: <006801c856f2$13de28a0$6401a8c0@corapurvine>
Message-ID: <4727.68.116.40.23.1200414692.squirrel@members.ccountry.net>

Hi Cora, sorry to hear about your husband. I hope everything comes out
okay for him and you.

You'll learn to do what you need to to take care of things, you're smart.

Best wishes to you. Jann


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I just got back from taking my husband to the hospital. They think he had
> a
> slight stoke and will keep him for a couple of days to do more tests on
> him,
> but this is for you guys.....don't so over protect your wives so that they
> don't even know how to put gas in the car or air in the tire, etc. I have
> been telling him for years that I need to learn how to do all that.
>
> I couldn't hardly get him to stay for the test he needs because he was so
> worried about the things that I don't know. If he had of let me do these
> things earlier and then this happened, it would have taken so much worry
> off
> of him.
>
> I did make it home OK and will tackle the gas thing tomorrow.
>
> Everything is OK for now. Thanks for listening, Cora.
>
> Class Act Printing and Foil
> Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
> 5801 W. Juno Ave.
> Wichita, KS 67215-1742
> Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
> cpurvine1@cox.net
> www.ClassActPrinting.biz
>
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Jann Leger's Intuitive Design
www.myorderdesk.com/janns
print@jannsdesign.com
541.476.3502
Document & Publication Design

From robin at protypeonline.com  Tue Jan 15 11:54:50 2008
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Tue Jan 15 11:55:13 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Don't over protect your women
Message-ID: <492C6A86-9E3F-458A-B52C-83B60B37F3AA@protypeonline.com>

Cora,
Hang in there....it sounds like your husband is tough enough to come  
out of this setback or so that is my hope for both of you!
Now, if you can run a printing business, I certainly don't think you  
will have trouble maintaining your vehicle or fixing leaky  
pipes....just call someone for help! Broker the work around the house  
that you can't handle so you can concentrate all your time and  
thoughts on your husband!!! :))))  And, a glass of cabernet helps also.
:)
robin

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com



From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Tue Jan 15 12:13:12 2008
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Tue Jan 15 12:14:38 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Don't over protect your women
In-Reply-To: <492C6A86-9E3F-458A-B52C-83B60B37F3AA@protypeonline.com>
References: <492C6A86-9E3F-458A-B52C-83B60B37F3AA@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c85799$e8aa5930$6401a8c0@corapurvine>

Thanks Robin! They found a blockage in his vessel in his throat and want to
do surgery, but he is fighting them and wants to come home. That is the
biggest battle. 


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:55 AM
To: printowners printowners
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Don't over protect your women

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Cora,
Hang in there....it sounds like your husband is tough enough to come out of
this setback or so that is my hope for both of you!
Now, if you can run a printing business, I certainly don't think you will
have trouble maintaining your vehicle or fixing leaky pipes....just call
someone for help! Broker the work around the house that you can't handle so
you can concentrate all your time and thoughts on your husband!!! :))))
And, a glass of cabernet helps also.
:)
robin

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com



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From championprinting at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 15 12:15:31 2008
From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly)
Date: Tue Jan 15 12:15:59 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
Message-ID: <218541.86305.qm@web38902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I didn't mean for this to be about John. John did a good thing for himself and his family. As  potential sellers, why would you or I bother to negotiate a deal where we would only receive the wholesale value of our equipment (assets) when we could simply call an equipment broker and receive cash? That doesn't make sense to me. Is this clearer?
 
Ted Gelletly
Champion Printing
5401 New Expansion Drive
Eldersburg MD 21784
410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488
ted@championprintingonline.com 


----- Original Message ----
From: Dan Huntingford <sos@olympus.net>
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:27:40 AM
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

> Any potential sellers have any thoughts?
=====================

Your business is worth what you can sell it for. Period.  If there are no 
buyers, it has no value.  Doesn't matter what books you read or method of 
valuation you use.
John is in a fairly small area way up north in NY.  There would be very few 
potential buyers for a printshop.  Here in my town, it's hard to imagine who 
would possibly buy my business other than the other print shop in town.   And 
he would bargain hard knowing if he just stood pat he'd eventually get all 
the business anyway.
Those are my cheerful thoughts.


Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860
From prtquick at eos.net  Tue Jan 15 12:43:20 2008
From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke)
Date: Tue Jan 15 12:42:35 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] navitor
Message-ID: <EB6C565E-C6C1-44F3-AC41-351DE1A4EAF1@eos.net>


Does anyone know where Carlson Craft, Regency, etc., got the wacky  
new name Navitor? We all think it sounds like something to do with  
aviation, not printing. Who picks these names?

Oh, and our new company name is going to be QualiFIN. Unless we go  
with BrenPrinFinCo.

Gail
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From copythatnyc at aol.com  Tue Jan 15 13:11:30 2008
From: copythatnyc at aol.com (copythatnyc@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 15 13:12:46 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] (no subject)
Message-ID: <8CA25B92FCBF443-EE8-B6B@WEBMAIL-MA11.sysops.aol.com>

It seems that even with a secondary signer & $$ upfront, lease will be $340 more than the original quote.? I noticed Beth mentioned that she loves her Xerox 250.? Anyone know how well this unit runs coated 12 pt stock?? I can purchase one with JJ Bender


Thanks

Tommy

Copy That, Inc.
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718.892.1859
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From gamble at choiceonemail.com  Tue Jan 15 13:23:53 2008
From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird)
Date: Tue Jan 15 13:24:32 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Perfect Bound book
In-Reply-To: <8CA25B92FCBF443-EE8-B6B@WEBMAIL-MA11.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CA25B92FCBF443-EE8-B6B@WEBMAIL-MA11.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <01af01c857a3$c8eadca0$0301a8c0@RICK>

Hello,

	I have a customer who is looking for a 262 page book printed 2
sides(131 sheets) that is 6 x 9 b/w with a 4 color laminated cover

Quantity for initial run is 500 and reruns would be in lots of 1000

Does anybody know anybody on the list who can do this?

When I price this locally runs close to 10.00 a book

Text is #80 offset
Cover - 10 pt c-1-s

Customer indicates he can have done for almost half that.

Thanks in advance.

Rick Bird
Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc.
3649 California Road
Orchard Park, NY 14127
(716) 662-1515
(716) 662-5917 - Fax
gamble@choiceonemail.com - email



From bjohnson at nemont.net  Tue Jan 15 13:51:47 2008
From: bjohnson at nemont.net (bob johnson)
Date: Tue Jan 15 13:52:14 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Bostitch Bronco Stapler
Message-ID: <a06240800c3b2b0537a77@[192.168.0.113]>

I have a Bostitch Bronco Stapler Model No. EHFS64  1/4 inch to 9/16 staple.
Here is what it does now, sometimes it will staple with the first 
impression and sometimes it takes 28 impressions for it to work. Does 
anyone know of where I can get help or where I can get parts for it or
does anyone know where I can get a manual for this macine?
Thank You
Bob Johnson
From sos at olympus.net  Tue Jan 15 13:52:52 2008
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Tue Jan 15 13:55:52 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] navitor
References: <EB6C565E-C6C1-44F3-AC41-351DE1A4EAF1@eos.net>
Message-ID: <056c01c857a7$d5086030$6900a8c0@DANIEL>

> Does anyone know where Carlson Craft, Regency, etc., got the wacky  new 
> name Navitor? We all think it sounds like something to do with  aviation, 
> not printing. Who picks these names?
===================

The problem with a national brand is virtually everything you can think of 
is already being used.  Like that FAKE id implanting company, if you search 
the web you'll find many, many companies with that same name.  Like SOS 
Printing, there are at least a dozen.  SOS Printing.com is owned by some 
shopping site in England.  So you try really hard to come up with something 
unique.  You make up a new word.
Like Navitor.
Which doesn't mean anything in and of it self, giving you the opportunity to 
create your own meaning and identity.

By the way, does anybody think they are going to survive?  Anybody still 
sending out thermography? or at least in the amounts they used to?  Think 
they can sell full color against 4over.com and all the others?

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860 


From rmeier at goinsty.com  Tue Jan 15 14:04:29 2008
From: rmeier at goinsty.com (R. Meier)
Date: Tue Jan 15 14:05:20 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Bostitch Bronco Stapler
In-Reply-To: <a06240800c3b2b0537a77@[192.168.0.113]>
References: <a06240800c3b2b0537a77@[192.168.0.113]>
Message-ID: <478D03BD.1000701@goinsty.com>

Bob
I believe Deluxe check bought Bostitch. We have a similar stitcher 
(bronco) that we were able to get parts for a couple of years ago.

I hope this helps.
Rob Meier


bob johnson wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I have a Bostitch Bronco Stapler Model No. EHFS64  1/4 inch to 9/16 
> staple.
> Here is what it does now, sometimes it will staple with the first 
> impression and sometimes it takes 28 impressions for it to work. Does 
> anyone know of where I can get help or where I can get parts for it or
> does anyone know where I can get a manual for this macine?
> Thank You
> Bob Johnson
> _______________________________________________
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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>
>
>


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Insty-Prints
2429 E. Clairemont Ave.
Eau Claire, WI 54701
(715) 835-1959


From joe at colorcraftprinting.com  Tue Jan 15 14:12:04 2008
From: joe at colorcraftprinting.com (Joe Nutile)
Date: Tue Jan 15 14:12:47 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Moving a QM 46
In-Reply-To: <523E7DD4-7FBD-4948-A413-35691CBEB98A@mauiprintworks.com>
References: <523E7DD4-7FBD-4948-A413-35691CBEB98A@mauiprintworks.com>
Message-ID: <D40FD9F2-29A1-449D-AFB9-CE1683B88BBC@colorcraftprinting.com>

I'm not sure when they changed, but older machines usually need to  
have the feeder realigned (using special tools) after moving. We have  
a 1997 and it seems to need alignment every time we touch it.

Joe

On Jan 14, 2008, at 5:24 PM, Joseph Marsh wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Has anyone moved there QM 46 on their own before?  We just got an  
> envelope feeder and we will need to shift our press about 2 ft.   
> Any tips?
>
> Joseph Marsh
> Maui Print Works
> Phone: 808-242-6634
> Fax: 808-242-8967
> Cell: 808-264-6382
> joseph@mauiprintworks.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
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Joe Nutile
ColorCraft Printing
805-461-3742
http:www.colorcraftprinting.com

Commercial and Digital Printing



From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Tue Jan 15 14:20:03 2008
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Tue Jan 15 14:20:42 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
In-Reply-To: <04e801c85793$8c7647b0$6900a8c0@DANIEL>
References: <287618.56563.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<04e801c85793$8c7647b0$6900a8c0@DANIEL>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0801151120g4a2451b6scb40fd98cc684904@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations John and Kathy on what sounds like a great shot in the arm!
Wishing you mush success.

As for Dan --
On Jan 15, 2008 11:27 AM, Dan Huntingford <sos@olympus.net> wrote:
> Here in my town, it's hard to imagine who
> would possibly buy my business other than the other print shop in town.
> And he would bargain hard knowing if he just stood pat he'd eventually
> get all the business anyway.

Cheer up and remember that ignorance is bliss. Among all those tourists,
there must be more than one who thinks it would be swell to retire in a
place like Port Townsend and run a little print shop. <g>


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com
====================================
Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
                                                    ~Lord Bacon
From nt at andrewsblueprint.com  Tue Jan 15 14:36:17 2008
From: nt at andrewsblueprint.com (Nancy Thomsen)
Date: Tue Jan 15 14:36:34 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] navitor
In-Reply-To: <056c01c857a7$d5086030$6900a8c0@DANIEL>
References: <EB6C565E-C6C1-44F3-AC41-351DE1A4EAF1@eos.net>
	<056c01c857a7$d5086030$6900a8c0@DANIEL>
Message-ID: <20080115193633.9583ED73F96@rb.enter.net>


>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>>Does anyone know where Carlson Craft, Regency, etc., got the 
>>wacky  new name Navitor? We all think it sounds like something to 
>>do with  aviation, not printing. Who picks these names?
>===================


I remember in the late 80's and early 90's driving through business 
parks in San Jose. Every company had "Tech" or "Tor" or "Tec" in the 
name.  And they all sounded stupid.

Our office in on Griffin St.  When we started thinking seriously 
about a new name, we thought of Griffin Graphics.  But we can't get 
www.griffingraphics.com  so we finally got www.gryphongrafix.com  Now 
when we finally start the name change we will have to educate the 
world about our new name.  "What's GrYfon?"  "That's griffin."  And 
very few people understand the logo - a griffin - Head of an eagle, 
body of a lion.

Navitor- that sounds like the paper we use - Navigator.




Nancy Thomsen
Andrews Blueprint, Inc
269 Griffin St.
Salinas, CA 93901
Phone:   (831) 424-0331
www.andrewsblueprint.com

From scott at usacolor.com  Tue Jan 15 14:54:21 2008
From: scott at usacolor.com (scott)
Date: Tue Jan 15 14:54:59 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Perfect Bound book
In-Reply-To: <01af01c857a3$c8eadca0$0301a8c0@RICK>
References: <8CA25B92FCBF443-EE8-B6B@WEBMAIL-MA11.sysops.aol.com>
	<01af01c857a3$c8eadca0$0301a8c0@RICK>
Message-ID: <478D0F6D.3000402@usacolor.com>

Paper cost alone would be approx. $900 - We would be around $8. At 1M 
books $7

Scott Balsiger, 
President
USA Color Printing Inc.
www.usacolor.com
791 Manhomen Dr.
Bemidji, MN 56601
800-759-9126
218-759-9126
218-759-2883(fax)
218-556-5505(cell)



Rick Bird wrote:

>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>Hello,
>
>	I have a customer who is looking for a 262 page book printed 2
>sides(131 sheets) that is 6 x 9 b/w with a 4 color laminated cover
>
>Quantity for initial run is 500 and reruns would be in lots of 1000
>
>Does anybody know anybody on the list who can do this?
>
>When I price this locally runs close to 10.00 a book
>
>Text is #80 offset
>Cover - 10 pt c-1-s
>
>Customer indicates he can have done for almost half that.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Rick Bird
>Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc.
>3649 California Road
>Orchard Park, NY 14127
>(716) 662-1515
>(716) 662-5917 - Fax
>gamble@choiceonemail.com - email
>
>
>
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>  
>
From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com  Tue Jan 15 14:56:04 2008
From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat)
Date: Tue Jan 15 14:56:39 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Perfect Bound book
In-Reply-To: <01af01c857a3$c8eadca0$0301a8c0@RICK>
References: <8CA25B92FCBF443-EE8-B6B@WEBMAIL-MA11.sysops.aol.com>
	<01af01c857a3$c8eadca0$0301a8c0@RICK>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAHHol640A3xDhDhdL/o3/03CgAAAEAAAADZPkVkSlkdCjRXRm9P8V4oBAAAAAA==@sirspeedy-brickell.com>

Rick,

Try Whitehall Printing @ 800-321-9290. That is exactly what they do, and
have great pricing.


Richard Moffat

Sir Speedy
244 S.W. 6th Street
Miami, Florida 33130
(305) 285-1401 Tel
(305) 285-1402 Fax
richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com
www.sirspeedy-brickell.com 



-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Rick Bird
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:24 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: [PrintOwners] Perfect Bound book

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Hello,

	I have a customer who is looking for a 262 page book printed 2
sides(131 sheets) that is 6 x 9 b/w with a 4 color laminated cover

Quantity for initial run is 500 and reruns would be in lots of 1000

Does anybody know anybody on the list who can do this?

When I price this locally runs close to 10.00 a book

Text is #80 offset
Cover - 10 pt c-1-s

Customer indicates he can have done for almost half that.

Thanks in advance.

Rick Bird
Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc.
3649 California Road
Orchard Park, NY 14127
(716) 662-1515
(716) 662-5917 - Fax
gamble@choiceonemail.com - email



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From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Tue Jan 15 15:02:40 2008
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 15 15:03:25 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
Message-ID: <d61.1c788c8a.34be6b60@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 1/15/2008 12:22:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
championprinting@yahoo.com writes:

I bother  to negotiate a deal where we would only receive the wholesale value 
of our  equipment (assets) when we could simply call an equipment broker and 
receive  cash? That doesn't make sense to me. Is this  clearer?



If all you owned was the equipment then it might not make sense, but  the 
sellers wanted to sell the entire entity, without having to liquidate the  assets 
and then attempt to sell the real estate separately in a down economy.  The 
assets have a much higher value when sold as part of an going concern than  
they do during liquidation. Printing equipment today might not come close to  
what the owner's received for it as a package. Knowing the "wholesale" value of  
equipment and being able to sell it for that is a totally different issue.
 

John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)   

by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 

2110 S. Dairy  Road
West Melbourne, FL 32904
321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
Cell:  321-794-6259
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From robin at protypeonline.com  Tue Jan 15 15:04:48 2008
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Tue Jan 15 15:05:28 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Don't over protect your women
Message-ID: <F3DDDE16-F91B-4477-9BCE-49C8468EB9A6@protypeonline.com>

Cora,
you are right and he is wrong! He has to have the surgery and you  
don't have time to take care of him and worry about him if he doesn't  
have the surgery. Tell him if he doesn't have the surgery you will  
have to put him in a nursing home! HA!!!!
Sure doesn't sound like he is in much of a position to negotiate -- if  
he is worried about you not being able to handle things while he  
recuperates, just tell him you have several hundred printers that you  
can rely on when the oil needs to be changed or a rush job for  
envelopes comes in......you're in good hands. Let us know when his  
surgery will be!
:)
Robin

p.s. don't overprotect women? GEESH! Just because we don't like to  
change tires doesn't mean we aren't strong. I don't open my own doors  
either-- I'll take men with manners over feminism any day!  Better  
stop now before I get on my soap box.....

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com



From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Tue Jan 15 15:14:14 2008
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Tue Jan 15 15:14:39 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
In-Reply-To: <d61.1c788c8a.34be6b60@aol.com>
References: <d61.1c788c8a.34be6b60@aol.com>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0801151214r311fbd97g12f08e2819d72795@mail.gmail.com>

On Jan 15, 2008 3:02 PM, <QKCONSULT@aol.com> wrote:



> Knowing the "wholesale" value of
> equipment and being able to sell it for that is a totally different issue.


I understand your point about the sale-as-a-whole, John, but the point about
the wholesale "value" of equipment is another thing entirely. Value is what
the market will pay; no market -- no value. I suspect we're all sitting on a
whole bunch of paper losses which we would realize if we ever tried to sell
our equipment for what we'd like to think it's worth.


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com
====================================
Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
                                                    ~Lord Bacon
From prtquick at eos.net  Tue Jan 15 15:26:33 2008
From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke)
Date: Tue Jan 15 15:25:41 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] navitor
In-Reply-To: <056c01c857a7$d5086030$6900a8c0@DANIEL>
References: <EB6C565E-C6C1-44F3-AC41-351DE1A4EAF1@eos.net>
	<056c01c857a7$d5086030$6900a8c0@DANIEL>
Message-ID: <BB31C469-EFAC-4B4B-B97E-EDE3A9170A61@eos.net>

I am getting a price for short run foil BC from them. I do most of my  
thermo locally. I always had problems sending them digital files, but  
I'll give it a try.

The new name Navitor sounds like (L)avitor--(y) to me.

I still have a mug full of pencils on my desk from years ago  
announcing Scott Papers' name change. It says:

What's new?
Our name.
It used to be Scott.
Now it's SPecraTech.

I tried, but no one around here would call me "SPectrTech"

Why get rid of a known name to make a new one? You lose a lot of  
brand equity.

SCottFinke
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8630 Winton Road
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Phone: (513) 522.2679
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On Jan 15, 2008, at 1:52 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>> Does anyone know where Carlson Craft, Regency, etc., got the  
>> wacky  new name Navitor? We all think it sounds like something to  
>> do with  aviation, not printing. Who picks these names?
> ===================
>
> The problem with a national brand is virtually everything you can  
> think of is already being used.  Like that FAKE id implanting  
> company, if you search the web you'll find many, many companies  
> with that same name.  Like SOS Printing, there are at least a  
> dozen.  SOS Printing.com is owned by some shopping site in  
> England.  So you try really hard to come up with something unique.   
> You make up a new word.
> Like Navitor.
> Which doesn't mean anything in and of it self, giving you the  
> opportunity to create your own meaning and identity.
>
> By the way, does anybody think they are going to survive?  Anybody  
> still sending out thermography? or at least in the amounts they  
> used to?  Think they can sell full color against 4over.com and all  
> the others?
>
> Dan Huntingford
> SOS Printing
> 2319 Washington Street
> Port Townsend, WA 98368
> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF
> sos@olympus.net
> (360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860
>
> _______________________________________________
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From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Tue Jan 15 15:53:47 2008
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 15 15:54:22 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
Message-ID: <cfe.235bbd23.34be775b@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 1/15/2008 3:15:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com writes:

Value is  what
the market will pay; no market -- no value. I suspect we're all  sitting on a
whole bunch of paper losses which we would realize if we ever  tried to sell
our equipment for what we'd like to think it's  worth.



You are absolutely correct. I was simply thinking to myself that we  might 
all sit down and agree that the value of single piece of equipment might  be 
worth $X and that agreed upon price might be a very, very fair  price, but it 
might end up selling for 25-50% below that $X value... i.e.,  at some price point 
it has value, but maybe nothing more than the cost of scrap  metal. 
 
As an example.... We have a 2C Hamada B252A - 14 x 20, streamfeed,  
autoplateloading, Crestlines, and it plays a song while loading plates, and  it only 
has about one million impressions. We bought it right after the  hurricane. We 
were rushed into make many decisions, because with each passing  month we would 
lose $10-15,000 out of what we could recover for operating  expenses. The 
press retailed for about $130,000. The insurance company paid  about $140,000 in 
lease payments. Our buyout option, which we exercised at the  end of the 12 
month period, was 30% or about $39,000. Meaning we paid  $39,000 to acquire that 
press. 
 
Seems like a bargain right? Wrong. It was a terrible decision, but I am not  
sure what I would have done differently at the time, we were replacing a older 
 2C with a new, modern 2C when we should have looked at going 70% digital, 
and  30% offset, instead of the 50-50% we probably followed. Don't get me wrong. 
The  Hamada Press is excellent, but we simply can't come close to keeping it 
busy as  compared to regular offset work on the smaller presses or color work 
on the  digital copiers. 
 
Anyway, I would jump at the chance to sell this press for  $45-50,000 or even 
less, but I can't even get a bite on it. So, on the one hand  it has no 
value, but most owners (including myself) just can't accept that fact.  Yes, I 
guess at some point there would be a meeting of the minds but only God  knows how 
low that price might drop. It currently has a higher value to the  business 
itself (even if unused) just sitting in the corner with plastic over it  than it 
would if we actually sold it for some insultingly low price. Come to  think 
of it, I will entertain and even submit myself to insulting offers at this  
point.<g>
 
Just my random thoughts.
 
John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)   

by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 

2110 S. Dairy  Road
West Melbourne, FL 32904
321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
Cell:  321-794-6259
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
"Winners  analyze, losers rationalize."



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From dominick at fmtc.com  Tue Jan 15 15:55:53 2008
From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing)
Date: Tue Jan 15 15:56:22 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Mac question
Message-ID: <478D1DD9.5070008@fmtc.com>

My daughter has a iBook - G4 running on 10.4 something. I have taught 
her everything I know about Macs, which I thought was alot.

Today she was running the Disk Utility to repair permissions and got a 
message, that I have never seen. Some research shows it to be a HD 
problem, others say it is a "re-install" problem. She has not installed 
anything for over a year.

She has 1 gig ram, running normal Mac software CS2 fully loaded, Mac 
Word and the usual.

Here is the message:

Error: The underlying task reported failure on exit.
1HFS Volume checked.
Volume needs repair (in red)

Any info would be appreciated, or even a link to read up and "do it myself".

Thanks much in advance!

Joe Dominick

Dominick's Quality Printing
542 W. Idaho Avenue
Ontario Oregon 97914
541.881.1121
Fax 541.881.1599

www.dominicksprinting.com
dominick@fmtc.com

Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider
Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here!
From sos at olympus.net  Tue Jan 15 15:57:44 2008
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Tue Jan 15 16:00:06 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
References: <287618.56563.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com><04e801c85793$8c7647b0$6900a8c0@DANIEL>
	<98f5b19a0801151120g4a2451b6scb40fd98cc684904@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <05c501c857b9$4695ae40$6900a8c0@DANIEL>


> Cheer up and remember that ignorance is bliss. Among all those tourists,
> there must be more than one who thinks it would be swell to retire in a
> place like Port Townsend and run a little print shop. <g>
==================

That's a good thought. Or maybe someone from Microsoft or Amazon who is just 
tired of running to the bank and cashing all those checks all the time. 
Just a low-level millionaire who thinks it would be fun to own a printshop.
In the mean time, I'm not complaining. I enjoy living here, raising my kids 
in a small town.  But I have a realistic idea of how difficult it'd be to 
sell the business.
There are several restaurants in town that have been for sale for years and 
years.

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860 


From John at mpcny.com  Tue Jan 15 16:04:27 2008
From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry)
Date: Tue Jan 15 16:04:49 2008
Subject: Value of your business,
	was Re: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
In-Reply-To: <20080115202543.AE0B2D742A0@rb.enter.net>
References: <20080115202543.AE0B2D742A0@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <00aa01c857ba$36e48a60$a4ad9f20$@com>

The deal was 2 parts. The first pretty simple the building value was what
the city taxes it for that was pretty simple and I have clause the bank must
also approve the loan for it for that or more.

The equipment they got appraisal from two dealers for replacement cost or
retail value. It was almost double what I offered and settled for. You
cannot take what you and would hope for or buy from a dealer at installed
and warranty. You can ask it but will never get it unless you get a sucker. 

Business value is the tricky part and the part where just how good your
business is run comes in. By this I mean not the potential your business has
but just how much cash it makes. If you able to show 20-25% profit year in
year out and sales increasing, you get more than one doing 10% with slow
sales growth.

I can tell you they had no loans, made good money and are retiring well. Not
on this sale, but what they took out for 40 years, saved and invested.

They did have offers in the range to sell out for the just accounts. They
choose me as they wanted the name to carry on and long term employees to
have jobs. You want a wakeup call? Get John's book and you get a ball Park
Range. 

I think the part that many will face is your building is the highest value
and it may be so high in some area's your business cannot justify staying in
to a new owner. I know many owners who owned for 20 + years. Their land and
building could well go for $1,000,000 range today. An average printing firm
could never buy or even pay FMV rent on that.  You may find yourself having
to sell off the business merged as the buyer does not want the location due
to costs. Lowering the money you get for the business.

I wonder if makes sense to move to industry location a few years before you
retire so you then can market the real-estate for its best purpose.

They used a business broker who did all the offers, counters and contracts
to this point. Now both our attorneys will tear it apart and try to kill the
deal, while billing us both of us much as they can <G>



John M. Henry
Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
125-129 East First Street
Oswego, New York 13126
(315) 343-3531
(315) 343-3577 Fax

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From championprinting at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 15 16:13:30 2008
From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly)
Date: Tue Jan 15 16:13:43 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
Message-ID: <55100.53794.qm@web38906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I see. Thanks.
 
Ted Gelletly
Champion Printing
5401 New Expansion Drive
Eldersburg MD 21784
410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488
ted@championprintingonline.com


----- Original Message ----
From: "QKCONSULT@aol.com" <QKCONSULT@aol.com>
To: printowners@printweb.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 3:02:40 PM
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****



In a message dated 1/15/2008 12:22:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
championprinting@yahoo.com writes:

I bother  to negotiate a deal where we would only receive the wholesale value 
of our  equipment (assets) when we could simply call an equipment broker and 
receive  cash? That doesn't make sense to me. Is this  clearer?



If all you owned was the equipment then it might not make sense, but   the 
sellers wanted to sell the entire entity, without having to liquidate the  assets 
and then attempt to sell the real estate separately in a down economy.   The 
assets have a much higher value when sold as part of an going concern than  
they do during liquidation. Printing equipment today might not come close to  
what the owner's received for it as a package. Knowing the "wholesale" value of  
equipment and being able to sell it for that is a totally different issue.


John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)   

by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 

2110 S. Dairy  Road
West Melbourne, FL 32904
321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
Cell:  321-794-6259
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
"Winners  analyze, losers rationalize."
From info at desktopsxm.com  Tue Jan 15 16:14:28 2008
From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint)
Date: Tue Jan 15 16:13:56 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Mac question
In-Reply-To: <478D1DD9.5070008@fmtc.com>
References: <478D1DD9.5070008@fmtc.com>
Message-ID: <CBFB7AC5-D515-4379-96B6-55BA3A543519@desktopsxm.com>

get techtool pro to check and repair.
If it is unable to repair it you will have to reformat and reinstall.
most probably something in the volume structure has happened.


Joel Brint
Desktop Imaging
St. Maarten
Tel 542-4044
fax 543-1100

"The Printshop with a Difference"



On Jan 15, 2008, at 4:55 PM, Dominick's Printing wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> My daughter has a iBook - G4 running on 10.4 something. I have  
> taught her everything I know about Macs, which I thought was alot.
>
> Today she was running the Disk Utility to repair permissions and  
> got a message, that I have never seen. Some research shows it to be  
> a HD problem, others say it is a "re-install" problem. She has not  
> installed anything for over a year.
>
> She has 1 gig ram, running normal Mac software CS2 fully loaded,  
> Mac Word and the usual.
>
> Here is the message:
>
> Error: The underlying task reported failure on exit.
> 1HFS Volume checked.
> Volume needs repair (in red)
>
> Any info would be appreciated, or even a link to read up and "do it  
> myself".
>
> Thanks much in advance!
>
> Joe Dominick
>
> Dominick's Quality Printing
> 542 W. Idaho Avenue
> Ontario Oregon 97914
> 541.881.1121
> Fax 541.881.1599
>
> www.dominicksprinting.com
> dominick@fmtc.com
>
> Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider
> Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here!
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>

From jgross at techiowa.com  Tue Jan 15 16:29:50 2008
From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross)
Date: Tue Jan 15 16:30:43 2008
Subject: Value of your business,
	was Re: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
In-Reply-To: <00aa01c857ba$36e48a60$a4ad9f20$@com>
Message-ID: <001101c857bd$c72d0130$6900000a@tech.local>

John, are you buying the assets or the business?  the name is certainly an
asset.

John A. Gross
Technigraphics, Inc
Iowa City, Iowa 52240
  techiowa.com


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 3:04 PM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: Value of your business,was Re: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new
Merger and thanks
Importance: High

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

The deal was 2 parts. The first pretty simple the building value was what
the city taxes it for that was pretty simple and I have clause the bank must
also approve the loan for it for that or more.

The equipment they got appraisal from two dealers for replacement cost or
retail value. It was almost double what I offered and settled for. You
cannot take what you and would hope for or buy from a dealer at installed
and warranty. You can ask it but will never get it unless you get a sucker. 

Business value is the tricky part and the part where just how good your
business is run comes in. By this I mean not the potential your business has
but just how much cash it makes. If you able to show 20-25% profit year in
year out and sales increasing, you get more than one doing 10% with slow
sales growth.

I can tell you they had no loans, made good money and are retiring well. Not
on this sale, but what they took out for 40 years, saved and invested.

They did have offers in the range to sell out for the just accounts. They
choose me as they wanted the name to carry on and long term employees to
have jobs. You want a wakeup call? Get John's book and you get a ball Park
Range. 

I think the part that many will face is your building is the highest value
and it may be so high in some area's your business cannot justify staying in
to a new owner. I know many owners who owned for 20 + years. Their land and
building could well go for $1,000,000 range today. An average printing firm
could never buy or even pay FMV rent on that.  You may find yourself having
to sell off the business merged as the buyer does not want the location due
to costs. Lowering the money you get for the business.

I wonder if makes sense to move to industry location a few years before you
retire so you then can market the real-estate for its best purpose.

They used a business broker who did all the offers, counters and contracts
to this point. Now both our attorneys will tear it apart and try to kill the
deal, while billing us both of us much as they can <G>



John M. Henry
Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
125-129 East First Street
Oswego, New York 13126
(315) 343-3531
(315) 343-3577 Fax

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From sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com  Tue Jan 15 16:43:48 2008
From: sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com (Date-Line Digital Printing)
Date: Tue Jan 15 16:48:20 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for part.
In-Reply-To: <8CA25B92FCBF443-EE8-B6B@WEBMAIL-MA11.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CA25B92FCBF443-EE8-B6B@WEBMAIL-MA11.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c857bf$b820da70$28628f50$@com>

We have one the old Xerox / Bourg booklet makers that we use for offline
booklet finishing. Recently one of the stitch heads went out. Xerox wants a
ton of $$ to replace it. We are looking for part # 14K3541. Does anyone have
a source for parts on the old Xerox booklet makers?

TIA,

Travis Lewis
Date-Line Digital Printing
Fairbanks, AK

From dvmonto at optonline.net  Tue Jan 15 16:59:23 2008
From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto)
Date: Tue Jan 15 16:59:43 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Mac question
In-Reply-To: <478D1DD9.5070008@fmtc.com>
Message-ID: <C3B296EB.2C61E%dvmonto@optonline.net>

On 1/15/08 3:55 PM, "Dominick's Printing" <dominick@fmtc.com> wrote:

> Here is the message:
> 
> Error: The underlying task reported failure on exit.
> 1HFS Volume checked.
> Volume needs repair (in red)

Here is what I would do first.

Find the OSX install disks. Insert and restart holding down the C key. This
should startup using the install disk OS.

When your computer finishes starting up from the disc, choose Disk Utility
from the Installer menu (A drop down menu item). (In Mac OS X 10.4 or later,
you must select your language first.)

Important: Do not click Continue in the first screen of the Installer. If
you do, you must restart from the disc again to access Disk Utility.
Click the First Aid tab then repair disk. After that is done you should also
repair permissions.

If the computer is started up from the Mac OS X hard disk (or disk
partition) and Disk Utility finds errors on it, there is not necessarily
anything wrong. Only when started up from the CD should Disk Utility reports
of errors on the Mac OS X hard disk (or disk partition) be considered
accurate.


-- 
David V. Monto

Sir Speedy Printing
1837 South Road
Wappingers Falls, NY 12590

Phone:845-298-8898
Fax: 845-298-8537
email: dvmonto@optonline.net

www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls


Debts can be chains, best used when they can haul you to new heights, rather
than entangle your legs. It?s the same with possessions. "Man doesn?t
possess possessions: they possess us".

--Pete Seeger


From jgross at techiowa.com  Tue Jan 15 16:59:58 2008
From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross)
Date: Tue Jan 15 17:00:21 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for part.
In-Reply-To: <000d01c857bf$b820da70$28628f50$@com>
Message-ID: <001601c857c1$fbd739b0$6900000a@tech.local>

That may be a standard sItch head .

John A. Gross
Technigraphics, Inc
Iowa City, Iowa 52240
  techiowa.com


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Date-Line Digital
Printing
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 3:44 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for part.

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

We have one the old Xerox / Bourg booklet makers that we use for offline
booklet finishing. Recently one of the stitch heads went out. Xerox wants a
ton of $$ to replace it. We are looking for part # 14K3541. Does anyone have
a source for parts on the old Xerox booklet makers?

TIA,

Travis Lewis
Date-Line Digital Printing
Fairbanks, AK

_______________________________________________
PrintOwners Discussion List
Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners




From dvmonto at optonline.net  Tue Jan 15 17:02:19 2008
From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto)
Date: Tue Jan 15 17:02:52 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Mac question
In-Reply-To: <478D1DD9.5070008@fmtc.com>
Message-ID: <C3B2979B.2C620%dvmonto@optonline.net>

And if what I said does not fix it, you might as well buy her one of those
new MacBook Air that was announced today.

http://www.apple.com/macbookair/

:-D


-- 
David V. Monto

Sir Speedy Printing
1837 South Road
Wappingers Falls, NY 12590

Phone:845-298-8898
Fax: 845-298-8537

 __/7__/7__/7__
 \:::::::::::::::::::::::/
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"A man who is not a liberal in his twenties has no heart, and a man
who is not a conservative in his forties has no brain" -  Churchill




On 1/15/08 3:55 PM, "Dominick's Printing" <dominick@fmtc.com> wrote:


> Here is the message:
> 
> Error: The underlying task reported failure on exit.
> 1HFS Volume checked.
> Volume needs repair (in red)
> 


From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com  Tue Jan 15 17:06:26 2008
From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt)
Date: Tue Jan 15 17:06:41 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] CLC 1180 for Sale
Message-ID: <C3B28A82.1D9DA%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>

Hello - 

We have a CLC 1180 coming off lease in the next 30 days that we would like
to sell. It would be a good copier for anyone with walk-in traffic and
needing good off-the-glass prints.

It is the IKON version with their external RIP.
304,233 clicks
Worked last time we turned it on, which was 2 years ago.
Includes 2 bottles of fuser oil and 1 bottle of magenta toner

$4500 plus shipping

Thanks!

-- 
Cyndy Wendt Harkins
President
Pioneer Printing, Inc.
3133 S. 7th., Suite D
Lincoln, Nebraska 68502
cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com

402.483.7575



From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Tue Jan 15 17:39:04 2008
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Tue Jan 15 17:40:34 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] CLC 1180 for Sale
In-Reply-To: <C3B28A82.1D9DA%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
References: <C3B28A82.1D9DA%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0801151439r2f6d7537s5ff961b1a77c291a@mail.gmail.com>

On Jan 15, 2008 5:06 PM, Cyndy Wendt <cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com> wrote:

> We have a CLC 1180 coming off lease in the next 30 days that we would like
> to sell.
> $4500 plus shipping


Talking about turning paper losses into realized ones...
Until you posted this, Cyndy, you could value your 1180 at any number
you chose, Having chosen a number higher than $0, however, I'm
guessing that you'll soon be realizing your heretofore paper loss.

Here's one on eBay with only 889 clicks on the meter (from a nice
honest guy with a 77.3% Positive rating <g>) with a Buy-it-Now price
of $10,000, a starting price of $5000, and -- surpirse -- zero bids. I
expect it will be boring to follow the bidding activity for the
remaining 4 days of its 10-day listing.

I paid to have my 800 taken to the dump. I have chosen not to realize
my paper loss on the 1150 still sitting on my floor, unused in the
couple of post-service-contract years since it jammed while eating a
color transfer. If it has value greater than that of any other
horizontal surface on which we collect dust, I'd be happy to learn of
it.


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com
====================================
Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
                                                    ~Lord Bacon
From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Tue Jan 15 17:42:21 2008
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Tue Jan 15 17:42:40 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] CLC 1180 for Sale
In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0801151439r2f6d7537s5ff961b1a77c291a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C3B28A82.1D9DA%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
	<98f5b19a0801151439r2f6d7537s5ff961b1a77c291a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0801151442j376ba71bv4e15569d35558618@mail.gmail.com>

On Jan 15, 2008 5:39 PM, Michael Vogel (yup, that's me)  wrote:
>
> Here's one on eBay with only 889 clicks on the meter (from a nice
> honest guy with a 77.3% Positive rating <g>) with a Buy-it-Now price
> of $10,000, a starting price of $5000, and -- surpirse -- zero bids. I
> expect it will be boring to follow the bidding activity for the
> remaining 4 days of its 10-day listing.


Oops, I forgot the eBay link:
http://tinyurl.com/26qhqm


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com
====================================
Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
                                                     ~Lord Bacon
From bill at mauiprintworks.com  Tue Jan 15 17:58:32 2008
From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works)
Date: Tue Jan 15 17:58:51 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] navitor
In-Reply-To: <EB6C565E-C6C1-44F3-AC41-351DE1A4EAF1@eos.net>
References: <EB6C565E-C6C1-44F3-AC41-351DE1A4EAF1@eos.net>
Message-ID: <a59b8052871436a220b382bb76ddc784@mauiprintworks.com>

Yep when I saw Navitor at first I thought it was one of those new 
something enhancing drugs.
They must have hired VP's from xpedx. Did you hear when IP first came 
out with xpedx in a board meeting, one of the older VP's said "Oh good" 
and the P with a smile said "Oh why" and the VP said "well, when one of 
my trucks is upside down in a ditch I'll still know it's mine."

Bill Marsh	
Maui Print Works
70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793
(808)242-6634      Fax (808)242-8967
bill@mauiprintworks.com      www. mauiprintworks.com

>
> Does anyone know where Carlson Craft, Regency, etc., got the wacky new 
> name Navitor? We all think it sounds like something to do with 
> aviation, not printing. Who picks these names?
>
> Oh, and our new company name is going to be QualiFIN. Unless we go 
> with BrenPrinFinCo.
>
> Gail
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc.
> 8630 Winton Road
> Cincinnati, Ohio 45231
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Phone: (513) 522.2679
> Fax (513) 522.2692
> Email: info@brentwood-printing.com

From kevin at abfprints.com  Tue Jan 15 18:23:09 2008
From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko)
Date: Tue Jan 15 18:28:12 2008
Subject: Value of your business,
	was Re: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
In-Reply-To: <00aa01c857ba$36e48a60$a4ad9f20$@com>
References: <20080115202543.AE0B2D742A0@rb.enter.net>
	<00aa01c857ba$36e48a60$a4ad9f20$@com>
Message-ID: <013b01c857cd$996bf340$1c00a8c0@abf.local>

By this I mean not the potential your business has but just how much cash it
makes. If you able to show 20-25% profit year in year out and sales
increasing, you get more than one doing 10% with slow sales growth.
-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:04 PM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: Value of your business,was Re: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new
Merger and thanks
Importance: High


When I purchased another printing company back in 2002 their annual sales
were only 400,000 (it was the building I was after. 9,000 sq. feet). There
was one particular customer that was doing about 40,000 per year. I new
immediately that I needed to get in contact with the 10 most important
accounts this of course being one of them. There was an incredible amount of
potential in just this one account alone. We were able to increase sales
from 40,000 to 354,000 in 2006 and 394,000 in 2007 just by bringing a 4
color press in house.

As for the building, the best part is you will be able to set up a
partnership with your wife and charge your printing company monthly rent (in
excess of market value!!!). The income derived from the rental income is
considered "passive income" which you will not have to pay "self employment
tax" saving at least 15.3% in income taxes. Down the road when you decide to
sell they (the new owners) will see that as additional income that is being
paid by the printing company. At the time I bought the above mentioned
company they were charging themselves $7,000 per month rent and their
mortgage payment was only around $3,000. Make sure you set up a "triple net
lease" with your printing company which means they pay for all repairs,
taxes and improvements. The printing company gets the write off and you get
the profits!!!

Kevin Danko
Advantage Business Forms 
102 N. Riverside Ave.
Rialto, CA 92376
Phone: (909) 875-7163
Fax: (909) 875-7971
www.abfprints.com
E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com



I think the part that many will face is your building is the highest value
and it may be so high in some area's your business cannot justify staying in
to a new owner. I know many owners who owned for 20 + years. Their land and
building could well go for $1,000,000 range today. An average printing firm
could never buy or even pay FMV rent on that.  You may find yourself having
to sell off the business merged as the buyer does not want the location due
to costs. Lowering the money you get for the business.

I wonder if makes sense to move to industry location a few years before you
retire so you then can market the real-estate for its best purpose.

They used a business broker who did all the offers, counters and contracts
to this point. Now both our attorneys will tear it apart and try to kill the
deal, while billing us both of us much as they can <G>



John M. Henry
Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
125-129 East First Street
Oswego, New York 13126
(315) 343-3531
(315) 343-3577 Fax

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From k_graham at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 15 21:07:45 2008
From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Jan 15 21:07:52 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Bostitch Bronco Stapler
References: <a06240800c3b2b0537a77@[192.168.0.113]>
	<478D03BD.1000701@goinsty.com>
Message-ID: <BAY135-DAV848006CCD1DE2AFFA3305EB400@phx.gbl>

>> I have a Bostitch Bronco Stapler Model No. EHFS64  1/4 inch to 9/16 
>> staple.
>> Here is what it does now, sometimes it will staple with the first 
>> impression and sometimes it takes 28 impressions for it to work. Does 
>> anyone know of where I can get help or where I can get parts for it or
>> does anyone know where I can get a manual for this macine?
>> Thank You
>> Bob Johnson

I think the Bronco was a powered stapler motorizing a foot operated unit, 
our first was the foot operated stapler and staples had troubles especially 
on longer staples making the transition to staple head from the part that 
held staples.

I would  load it with about 1/2 a length of staples and push them forward 
manually, beyond that they wouldn't feed and therefore wouldn't staple. Some 
sort of spring to force them forward would be an idea as would spraying them 
with Silicone and spraying the mechanism with Silicone regularly.

Ken Graham
CommunityPrinters.com
Dawson Creek BC Canada
250-782-7108


From alewinter at datapalette.com  Wed Jan 16 08:32:21 2008
From: alewinter at datapalette.com (Andrew LeWinter)
Date: Wed Jan 16 08:26:03 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Perfect Bound book
References: <8CA25B92FCBF443-EE8-B6B@WEBMAIL-MA11.sysops.aol.com>
	<01af01c857a3$c8eadca0$0301a8c0@RICK>
Message-ID: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D5022E726@mail1.datapalette.local>

Rick, without a price on the lamination, I come up with a trade price of
about $5.00.

Andrew LeWinter
Data Palette Information Services
32-00 Skillman Avenue
Long Island City, NY 11101
(718) 433-1060 x115
(718) 433-1074 Fax
alewinter@datapalette.com
-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Rick Bird
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:24 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: [PrintOwners] Perfect Bound book

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Hello,

	I have a customer who is looking for a 262 page book printed 2
sides(131 sheets) that is 6 x 9 b/w with a 4 color laminated cover

Quantity for initial run is 500 and reruns would be in lots of 1000

Does anybody know anybody on the list who can do this?

When I price this locally runs close to 10.00 a book

Text is #80 offset
Cover - 10 pt c-1-s

Customer indicates he can have done for almost half that.

Thanks in advance.

Rick Bird
Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc.
3649 California Road
Orchard Park, NY 14127
(716) 662-1515
(716) 662-5917 - Fax
gamble@choiceonemail.com - email



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From copythatnyc at aol.com  Wed Jan 16 09:30:04 2008
From: copythatnyc at aol.com (copythatnyc@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan 16 09:30:38 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Gift Certificates
Message-ID: <8CA26636B4B58D0-80C-2CCF@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com>

Any good contacts with a company that provides custom printed?gift certificates w/tracking book.

Tommy

Copy That, Inc.
3515 E. Tremont Ave.
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
718.892.1859
718.892.2315 Fax
www.copythatnyc.com

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From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com  Wed Jan 16 09:33:54 2008
From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt Harkins)
Date: Wed Jan 16 09:34:18 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] CLC 1180 for Sale
In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0801151439r2f6d7537s5ff961b1a77c291a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3B371F2.1DA05%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>

On 1/15/08 4:39 PM, "Michael Vogel" <mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> I paid to have my 800 taken to the dump. I have chosen not to realize
> my paper loss on the 1150 still sitting on my floor, unused in the
> couple of post-service-contract years since it jammed while eating a
> color transfer. If it has value greater than that of any other
> horizontal surface on which we collect dust, I'd be happy to learn of
> it.
> 
Michael,

I guess this is your polite way of telling me I'm out of my mind?

Here are my choices regarding this machine:

Return to Canon Financial at my expense - probably close to $1000

Keep it for $800 and see if someone will buy it. Balance due Canon Financial
after the last payment is made is slightly less than $2000 (includes
purchase price of $800 plus property taxes). Obviously Canon doesn't want it
back. 

Apparently $4500 was not a reasonable price. $2000 anyone?

I have no use for this machine in the shop. We have a CPP500 for our main
machine and the color copier I got stuck with when I bought out a small shop
which has about a year to go on the lease. Luckily, maintenance on that one
is very cheap.

Sounds like you would have someone haul it to the dump. Anyone else got any
ideas?

Cyndy
-- 
Cyndy Wendt Harkins
President
Pioneer Printing, Inc.
3133 S. 7th., Suite D
Lincoln, Nebraska 68502
cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com

402.483.7575



From priorityprinting at comcast.net  Wed Jan 16 09:34:31 2008
From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net)
Date: Wed Jan 16 09:34:48 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash
Message-ID: <011620081434.16558.478E15F700063CE0000040AE22070215730902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net>

We charge $25 for any standard color wash up.  A standard color in our shop is any standard mixed color available from Spinks Inks.  We charge $36 for any PMS wash up.  The prices include ink and wash up.  We are located in small city geographic area.     

Jeff Farber
1323 E. Main Street
Flushing, MI 48433
810 487-1700 
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics" <kellycrom@gmail.com>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> We charge $47.00 for any PMS we mix in house(up to 1 pound). That includes
> $17 for the ink and $30 for the wash. Years ago, we used to have "house"
> colors that we would charge less, but over the years, fewer customers wanted
> the standard colors.
> We are a suburban(Minneapolis) shop.
> 
> Kelly Crom
> Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.
> 
> We've Moved!!!
> 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
> Plymouth, MN  55441
> New Phone:  (763)231-6970
> kellycrom@gmail.com
> www.applied-graphics.com 
> 
>  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org 
> > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter
> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:47 PM
> > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> > Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash
> > 
> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> > 
> > I know I am suppose to leave the survey's to the experts (Mr. 
> > Stewart)  
> > but I was wondering what shops are charging this year for a 
> > color wash  
> > for a Heidelberg QM2.  And whether they are rural.
> > 
> > Any replies would be appreciated
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
> > Press Express
> > 1869 N. Stevens St.
> > Rhinelander, WI 54501
> > Phone 715-362-2828
> > Fax 715-369-2828
> > info@pressexpress.org
> > 
> > Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider
> > Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider
> > 
> > 
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From priorityprinting at comcast.net  Wed Jan 16 09:34:31 2008
From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net)
Date: Wed Jan 16 09:34:57 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash
Message-ID: <011620081434.16558.478E15F700063CE0000040AE22070215730902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net>

We charge $25 for any standard color wash up.  A standard color in our shop is any standard mixed color available from Spinks Inks.  We charge $36 for any PMS wash up.  The prices include ink and wash up.  We are located in small city geographic area.     

Jeff Farber
1323 E. Main Street
Flushing, MI 48433
810 487-1700 
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics" <kellycrom@gmail.com>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> We charge $47.00 for any PMS we mix in house(up to 1 pound). That includes
> $17 for the ink and $30 for the wash. Years ago, we used to have "house"
> colors that we would charge less, but over the years, fewer customers wanted
> the standard colors.
> We are a suburban(Minneapolis) shop.
> 
> Kelly Crom
> Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.
> 
> We've Moved!!!
> 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
> Plymouth, MN  55441
> New Phone:  (763)231-6970
> kellycrom@gmail.com
> www.applied-graphics.com 
> 
>  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org 
> > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter
> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:47 PM
> > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> > Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Wash
> > 
> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> > 
> > I know I am suppose to leave the survey's to the experts (Mr. 
> > Stewart)  
> > but I was wondering what shops are charging this year for a 
> > color wash  
> > for a Heidelberg QM2.  And whether they are rural.
> > 
> > Any replies would be appreciated
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
> > Press Express
> > 1869 N. Stevens St.
> > Rhinelander, WI 54501
> > Phone 715-362-2828
> > Fax 715-369-2828
> > info@pressexpress.org
> > 
> > Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider
> > Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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From dvmonto at optonline.net  Wed Jan 16 10:03:56 2008
From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto)
Date: Wed Jan 16 10:04:16 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] CLC 1180 for Sale
In-Reply-To: <C3B371F2.1DA05%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
Message-ID: <C3B3870C.2C693%dvmonto@optonline.net>

I would offer Canon $250 for it. They will probably counter offer. See what
happens. Like you said, they don't want it back.


-- 
David V. Monto

Sir Speedy Printing
1837 South Road
Wappingers Falls, NY 12590

Phone:845-298-8898
Fax: 845-298-8537
email: dvmonto@optonline.net
-- 
"I think there is a world market for maybe  five computers."
 - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943



On 1/16/08 9:33 AM, "Cyndy Wendt Harkins" <cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
wrote:

> Keep it for $800 and see if someone will buy it. Balance due Canon Financial
> after the last payment is made is slightly less than $2000 (includes
> purchase price of $800 plus property taxes). Obviously Canon doesn't want it
> back. 

> Sounds like you would have someone haul it to the dump. Anyone else got any
> ideas?


From greg at pressexpress.org  Wed Jan 16 10:11:17 2008
From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Wed Jan 16 10:11:52 2008
Subject: Value of your business,
	was Re: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
In-Reply-To: <013b01c857cd$996bf340$1c00a8c0@abf.local>
References: <20080115202543.AE0B2D742A0@rb.enter.net>
	<00aa01c857ba$36e48a60$a4ad9f20$@com>
	<013b01c857cd$996bf340$1c00a8c0@abf.local>
Message-ID: <3F06B423-A20F-4F4E-8079-B50C8FB01765@pressexpress.org>

> The printing company gets the write off and you get
> the profits!!!

I think that uncle sam will get you one way or another.  What is the  
difference if the company gets to write it off while you have to claim  
the profits as income as opposed to the company showing the profits  
and you have no income from the rent?  Either way, that $3,000 has to  
be reported as income, either by you or the business you own.  Either  
way you add it, it is your profit.

Greg


On Jan 15, 2008, at 5:23 PM, Kevin Danko wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> By this I mean not the potential your business has but just how much  
> cash it
> makes. If you able to show 20-25% profit year in year out and sales
> increasing, you get more than one doing 10% with slow sales growth.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:04 PM
> To: printowners@printweb.org
> Subject: Value of your business,was Re: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of  
> new
> Merger and thanks
> Importance: High
>
>
> When I purchased another printing company back in 2002 their annual  
> sales
> were only 400,000 (it was the building I was after. 9,000 sq. feet).  
> There
> was one particular customer that was doing about 40,000 per year. I  
> new
> immediately that I needed to get in contact with the 10 most important
> accounts this of course being one of them. There was an incredible  
> amount of
> potential in just this one account alone. We were able to increase  
> sales
> from 40,000 to 354,000 in 2006 and 394,000 in 2007 just by bringing  
> a 4
> color press in house.
>
> As for the building, the best part is you will be able to set up a
> partnership with your wife and charge your printing company monthly  
> rent (in
> excess of market value!!!). The income derived from the rental  
> income is
> considered "passive income" which you will not have to pay "self  
> employment
> tax" saving at least 15.3% in income taxes. Down the road when you  
> decide to
> sell they (the new owners) will see that as additional income that  
> is being
> paid by the printing company. At the time I bought the above mentioned
> company they were charging themselves $7,000 per month rent and their
> mortgage payment was only around $3,000. Make sure you set up a  
> "triple net
> lease" with your printing company which means they pay for all  
> repairs,
> taxes and improvements. The printing company gets the write off and  
> you get
> the profits!!!
>
> Kevin Danko
> Advantage Business Forms
> 102 N. Riverside Ave.
> Rialto, CA 92376
> Phone: (909) 875-7163
> Fax: (909) 875-7971
> www.abfprints.com
> E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com
>
>
>
> I think the part that many will face is your building is the highest  
> value
> and it may be so high in some area's your business cannot justify  
> staying in
> to a new owner. I know many owners who owned for 20 + years. Their  
> land and
> building could well go for $1,000,000 range today. An average  
> printing firm
> could never buy or even pay FMV rent on that.  You may find yourself  
> having
> to sell off the business merged as the buyer does not want the  
> location due
> to costs. Lowering the money you get for the business.
>
> I wonder if makes sense to move to industry location a few years  
> before you
> retire so you then can market the real-estate for its best purpose.
>
> They used a business broker who did all the offers, counters and  
> contracts
> to this point. Now both our attorneys will tear it apart and try to  
> kill the
> deal, while billing us both of us much as they can <G>
>
>
>
> John M. Henry
> Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
> 125-129 East First Street
> Oswego, New York 13126
> (315) 343-3531
> (315) 343-3577 Fax
>
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Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org

Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider
Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider


From dennis.trump at gmail.com  Wed Jan 16 10:11:43 2008
From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump)
Date: Wed Jan 16 10:12:06 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] CLC 1180 for Sale
In-Reply-To: <C3B371F2.1DA05%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
References: <98f5b19a0801151439r2f6d7537s5ff961b1a77c291a@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3B371F2.1DA05%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
Message-ID: <41aa6a080801160711p13c6f7bdm5ff96135f01889a8@mail.gmail.com>

> Sounds like you would have someone haul it to the dump. Anyone else got any
> ideas?

I would be happy to throw in its big brother a CLC 3900 to keep it
company along the way.

-- 
Dennis Trump
Trump Direct
a print and direct mail communications company
Decatur IL
www.trumpdirect.com
trump@trumpdirect.com
217.429.9001
From dennisewing at satx.rr.com  Wed Jan 16 10:19:22 2008
From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing)
Date: Wed Jan 16 10:19:35 2008
Subject: Value of your business,	was Re: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of
	new Merger and thanks
In-Reply-To: <3F06B423-A20F-4F4E-8079-B50C8FB01765@pressexpress.org>
References: <20080115202543.AE0B2D742A0@rb.enter.net>
	<00aa01c857ba$36e48a60$a4ad9f20$@com>
	<013b01c857cd$996bf340$1c00a8c0@abf.local>
	<3F06B423-A20F-4F4E-8079-B50C8FB01765@pressexpress.org>
Message-ID: <478E207A.6030109@satx.rr.com>

If the printshop has more profits that is earned income and you pay FICA 
on that. If you take it personally it is investment income and you only 
have the income tax portion to pay. In addition, if you sell the 
printshop and keep the building you keep a rental income stream going.

Dennis W. Ewing Sr
Ewing and Sons Printing
12000 Crownpoint, #130
San Antonio, TX 78233
dennisewing@satx.rr.com
ewingandsons@satx.rr.com
210/650-5311
210/650-9916 Fax



Greg Weinfurter wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>> The printing company gets the write off and you get
>> the profits!!!
>
> I think that uncle sam will get you one way or another.  What is the 
> difference if the company gets to write it off while you have to claim 
> the profits as income as opposed to the company showing the profits 
> and you have no income from the rent?  Either way, that $3,000 has to 
> be reported as income, either by you or the business you own.  Either 
> way you add it, it is your profit.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Wed Jan 16 10:26:28 2008
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan 16 10:26:58 2008
Subject: Value of your business,
	was Re: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger a...
Message-ID: <d65.1c923c8d.34bf7c24@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 1/16/2008 10:13:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
greg@pressexpress.org writes:

Either  way, that $3,000 has to  
be reported as income, either by you or the  business you own.  Either  
way you add it, it is your  profit.


Rental income is not subject to FICA or Medicare deductions.  Thus, given the 
choice of receiving $40,000 in additional ordinary income  versus receiving 
it in the form of additional rental income the latter would be  much smarter 
since you would save approximately 15% or $6,000 in SS  payments/obligations.
 
For an owner who personally owns his/her own building and desires (assuming  
the business has the cash flow) to take more money out of the business, it is  
better done through increases in building rent than in increases in  payroll.

 

John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)   

by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 

2110 S. Dairy  Road
West Melbourne, FL 32904
321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
Cell:  321-794-6259
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From scott at usacolor.com  Wed Jan 16 10:54:20 2008
From: scott at usacolor.com (Scott Balsiger)
Date: Wed Jan 16 10:55:25 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] CLC 1180 for Sale
In-Reply-To: <C3B371F2.1DA05%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
References: <C3B371F2.1DA05%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
Message-ID: <478E28AC.9070708@usacolor.com>

Cyndy,
I just returned the same machine to Canon in NJ - I just stuck it on a 
pallet and shipped common freight. Cost me about $400 from MN. They 
didn't like it being on a pallet - they wanted it shipped on a air 
cushioned van - $900. My contract did not state how to ship so they had 
no choice, they bellyached so much you would swear I was going to put 
them out of business! I used freightquote.com

Scott Balsiger President
USA Color Printing Inc.
www.usacolor.com
791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN. 56601
218-759-9126
800-759-9126
218-556-5505(Cell)
218-759-2883(fax)



Cyndy Wendt Harkins wrote:

>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>On 1/15/08 4:39 PM, "Michael Vogel" <mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I paid to have my 800 taken to the dump. I have chosen not to realize
>>my paper loss on the 1150 still sitting on my floor, unused in the
>>couple of post-service-contract years since it jammed while eating a
>>color transfer. If it has value greater than that of any other
>>horizontal surface on which we collect dust, I'd be happy to learn of
>>it.
>>
>>    
>>
>Michael,
>
>I guess this is your polite way of telling me I'm out of my mind?
>
>Here are my choices regarding this machine:
>
>Return to Canon Financial at my expense - probably close to $1000
>
>Keep it for $800 and see if someone will buy it. Balance due Canon Financial
>after the last payment is made is slightly less than $2000 (includes
>purchase price of $800 plus property taxes). Obviously Canon doesn't want it
>back. 
>
>Apparently $4500 was not a reasonable price. $2000 anyone?
>
>I have no use for this machine in the shop. We have a CPP500 for our main
>machine and the color copier I got stuck with when I bought out a small shop
>which has about a year to go on the lease. Luckily, maintenance on that one
>is very cheap.
>
>Sounds like you would have someone haul it to the dump. Anyone else got any
>ideas?
>
>Cyndy
>  
>
From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com  Wed Jan 16 10:57:30 2008
From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt Harkins)
Date: Wed Jan 16 10:57:44 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Window Envelope Printing
Message-ID: <C3B3858A.1DA1B%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>

Hello,

I just had an envelope order rejected because the post office says the
return address is printed too low on the envelope which caused the automated
equipment to read the return address on the envelope rather than the
addressee's address in the window and thus returned the piece to the sender.

The most recent order was printed 1/8" lower than the previous order and the
post office told our client it was too close to the window. On the rejected
envelope the bottom of the return address is 3/8" from the top of the
window.

This has never happened before and so far I haven't found a postal rule
regarding printing the return on a window envelope.

Can any of you mailing experts shed some light on this?

Thanks much,

Cyndy
-- 
Cyndy Wendt Harkins
President
Pioneer Printing, Inc.
3133 S. 7th., Suite D
Lincoln, Nebraska 68502
cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com

402.483.7575



From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com  Wed Jan 16 11:02:30 2008
From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake)
Date: Wed Jan 16 11:03:55 2008
Subject: Value of your business,
	was Re: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger a...
In-Reply-To: <d65.1c923c8d.34bf7c24@aol.com>
References: <d65.1c923c8d.34bf7c24@aol.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAALF6/O6KsK9Pk4dhyHX8uzIBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>

I think it may have something to do with whether you have a C Corp, S Corp,
LLC, Partnership or Sole Proprietor for both the building and the business. 


Mark Lake
PIP Printing
368 Jefferson Street
Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235
920.743.7370     920.743.4633 Fax
www.pipsturgeonbay.com      
Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com
 
To send a file to us, please use the link below
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In a message dated 1/16/2008 10:13:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
greg@pressexpress.org writes:

Either  way, that $3,000 has to
be reported as income, either by you or the  business you own.  Either way
you add it, it is your  profit.


Rental income is not subject to FICA or Medicare deductions.  Thus, given
the choice of receiving $40,000 in additional ordinary income  versus
receiving it in the form of additional rental income the latter would be
much smarter since you would save approximately 15% or $6,000 in SS
payments/obligations.
 
For an owner who personally owns his/her own building and desires (assuming
the business has the cash flow) to take more money out of the business, it
is better done through increases in building rent than in increases in
payroll.

 

John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)   

by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 

2110 S. Dairy  Road
West Melbourne, FL 32904
321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
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From markath1 at verizon.net  Wed Jan 16 11:16:13 2008
From: markath1 at verizon.net (Rick Martin)
Date: Wed Jan 16 11:16:55 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Window Envelope Printing
In-Reply-To: <C3B3858A.1DA1B%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
Message-ID: <000801c8585b$2187df40$660a0a0a@advanced8l9v8x>

The last spec I saw in print was on Notice67 dated September 2000.  It
states "place the entire return address in the top 1/3 of mailpiece".  To
the best of my knowledge, it has not been changed and it is the spec we go
by.

Hope it helps.

Rick Martin
Advanced Print & Copy
229 Memorial Avenue
W Springfield,  MA  01089
413-736-9808
markath1@verizon.net
www.advancedprintandcopy.com


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cyndy Wendt Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:58 AM
To: PrintOwners List
Subject: [PrintOwners] Window Envelope Printing

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Hello,

I just had an envelope order rejected because the post office says the
return address is printed too low on the envelope which caused the automated
equipment to read the return address on the envelope rather than the
addressee's address in the window and thus returned the piece to the sender.

The most recent order was printed 1/8" lower than the previous order and the
post office told our client it was too close to the window. On the rejected
envelope the bottom of the return address is 3/8" from the top of the
window.

This has never happened before and so far I haven't found a postal rule
regarding printing the return on a window envelope.

Can any of you mailing experts shed some light on this?

Thanks much,

Cyndy
-- 
Cyndy Wendt Harkins
President
Pioneer Printing, Inc.
3133 S. 7th., Suite D
Lincoln, Nebraska 68502
cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com

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From mike at arborprinting.com  Wed Jan 16 11:39:58 2008
From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com)
Date: Wed Jan 16 11:40:11 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] CLC 1180 for Sale
References: <C3B371F2.1DA05%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
Message-ID: <008a01c8585e$6f8ef8b0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC>

Boat anchor.
Thanks,


Michael Shuta
Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc
630-969-2277
www.arborprinting.com
mike@arborprinting.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cyndy Wendt Harkins" <cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
To: "PrintOwners List" <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] CLC 1180 for Sale


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> On 1/15/08 4:39 PM, "Michael Vogel" <mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I paid to have my 800 taken to the dump. I have chosen not to realize
>> my paper loss on the 1150 still sitting on my floor, unused in the
>> couple of post-service-contract years since it jammed while eating a
>> color transfer. If it has value greater than that of any other
>> horizontal surface on which we collect dust, I'd be happy to learn of
>> it.
>>
> Michael,
>
> I guess this is your polite way of telling me I'm out of my mind?
>
> Here are my choices regarding this machine:
>
> Return to Canon Financial at my expense - probably close to $1000
>
> Keep it for $800 and see if someone will buy it. Balance due Canon 
> Financial
> after the last payment is made is slightly less than $2000 (includes
> purchase price of $800 plus property taxes). Obviously Canon doesn't want 
> it
> back.
>
> Apparently $4500 was not a reasonable price. $2000 anyone?
>
> I have no use for this machine in the shop. We have a CPP500 for our main
> machine and the color copier I got stuck with when I bought out a small 
> shop
> which has about a year to go on the lease. Luckily, maintenance on that 
> one
> is very cheap.
>
> Sounds like you would have someone haul it to the dump. Anyone else got 
> any
> ideas?
>
> Cyndy
> -- 
> Cyndy Wendt Harkins
> President
> Pioneer Printing, Inc.
> 3133 S. 7th., Suite D
> Lincoln, Nebraska 68502
> cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com
>
> 402.483.7575
>
>
>
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From barry at wolfprinting.com  Wed Jan 16 11:45:37 2008
From: barry at wolfprinting.com (Barry Wolf)
Date: Wed Jan 16 11:46:04 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Gift Certificates
In-Reply-To: <8CA26636B4B58D0-80C-2CCF@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <001601c8585f$390a68a0$9000a8c0@wolf1>

Ennis Co. has them in their catalog.
Regards

Barry V. Wolf
Wolf Printing, LLC
1200 Haines Road
York, PA 17402
717-755-1560
717-840-0496 FAX
barry@wolfprinting.com


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Any good contacts with a company that provides custom printed?gift
certificates w/tracking book.

Tommy

Copy That, Inc.
3515 E. Tremont Ave.
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
718.892.1859
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From kevin at abfprints.com  Wed Jan 16 12:14:35 2008
From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko)
Date: Wed Jan 16 12:20:36 2008
Subject: Value of your business,
	was Re: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
In-Reply-To: <3F06B423-A20F-4F4E-8079-B50C8FB01765@pressexpress.org>
References: <20080115202543.AE0B2D742A0@rb.enter.net><00aa01c857ba$36e48a60$a4ad9f20$@com><013b01c857cd$996bf340$1c00a8c0@abf.local>
	<3F06B423-A20F-4F4E-8079-B50C8FB01765@pressexpress.org>
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Greg, if you are a "sole proprietor" you have to pay self employment tax on
your net profits from your business. If you push this profit to your
partnership it becomes "passive income" and is exempt from self employment
tax which I think is still 15.3%.

Kevin Danko
Advantage Business Forms
102 N. Riverside Ave.
Rialto, CA 92376
Phone: (909) 875-7163
Fax: (909) 875-7971
www.abfprints.com
E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com

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[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:11 AM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: Value of your business,was Re: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new
Merger and thanks

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> The printing company gets the write off and you get
> the profits!!!

I think that uncle sam will get you one way or another.  What is the  
difference if the company gets to write it off while you have to claim  
the profits as income as opposed to the company showing the profits  
and you have no income from the rent?  Either way, that $3,000 has to  
be reported as income, either by you or the business you own.  Either  
way you add it, it is your profit.

Greg


On Jan 15, 2008, at 5:23 PM, Kevin Danko wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> By this I mean not the potential your business has but just how much  
> cash it
> makes. If you able to show 20-25% profit year in year out and sales
> increasing, you get more than one doing 10% with slow sales growth.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:04 PM
> To: printowners@printweb.org
> Subject: Value of your business,was Re: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of  
> new
> Merger and thanks
> Importance: High
>
>
> When I purchased another printing company back in 2002 their annual  
> sales
> were only 400,000 (it was the building I was after. 9,000 sq. feet).  
> There
> was one particular customer that was doing about 40,000 per year. I  
> new
> immediately that I needed to get in contact with the 10 most important
> accounts this of course being one of them. There was an incredible  
> amount of
> potential in just this one account alone. We were able to increase  
> sales
> from 40,000 to 354,000 in 2006 and 394,000 in 2007 just by bringing  
> a 4
> color press in house.
>
> As for the building, the best part is you will be able to set up a
> partnership with your wife and charge your printing company monthly  
> rent (in
> excess of market value!!!). The income derived from the rental  
> income is
> considered "passive income" which you will not have to pay "self  
> employment
> tax" saving at least 15.3% in income taxes. Down the road when you  
> decide to
> sell they (the new owners) will see that as additional income that  
> is being
> paid by the printing company. At the time I bought the above mentioned
> company they were charging themselves $7,000 per month rent and their
> mortgage payment was only around $3,000. Make sure you set up a  
> "triple net
> lease" with your printing company which means they pay for all  
> repairs,
> taxes and improvements. The printing company gets the write off and  
> you get
> the profits!!!
>
> Kevin Danko
> Advantage Business Forms
> 102 N. Riverside Ave.
> Rialto, CA 92376
> Phone: (909) 875-7163
> Fax: (909) 875-7971
> www.abfprints.com
> E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com
>
>
>
> I think the part that many will face is your building is the highest  
> value
> and it may be so high in some area's your business cannot justify  
> staying in
> to a new owner. I know many owners who owned for 20 + years. Their  
> land and
> building could well go for $1,000,000 range today. An average  
> printing firm
> could never buy or even pay FMV rent on that.  You may find yourself  
> having
> to sell off the business merged as the buyer does not want the  
> location due
> to costs. Lowering the money you get for the business.
>
> I wonder if makes sense to move to industry location a few years  
> before you
> retire so you then can market the real-estate for its best purpose.
>
> They used a business broker who did all the offers, counters and  
> contracts
> to this point. Now both our attorneys will tear it apart and try to  
> kill the
> deal, while billing us both of us much as they can <G>
>
>
>
> John M. Henry
> Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
> 125-129 East First Street
> Oswego, New York 13126
> (315) 343-3531
> (315) 343-3577 Fax
>
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From kevin at abfprints.com  Wed Jan 16 12:16:03 2008
From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko)
Date: Wed Jan 16 12:22:07 2008
Subject: Value of your business,
	was Re: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger a...
In-Reply-To: <d65.1c923c8d.34bf7c24@aol.com>
References: <d65.1c923c8d.34bf7c24@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00a901c85863$79641d70$1c00a8c0@abf.local>

Well said John!

Kevin Danko
Advantage Business Forms 
102 N. Riverside Ave.
Rialto, CA 92376
Phone: (909) 875-7163
Fax: (909) 875-7971
www.abfprints.com
E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com

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[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:26 AM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: Re: Value of your business,was Re: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new
Merger a...

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

 
 
In a message dated 1/16/2008 10:13:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
greg@pressexpress.org writes:

Either  way, that $3,000 has to  
be reported as income, either by you or the  business you own.  Either  
way you add it, it is your  profit.


Rental income is not subject to FICA or Medicare deductions.  Thus, given
the 
choice of receiving $40,000 in additional ordinary income  versus receiving 
it in the form of additional rental income the latter would be  much smarter

since you would save approximately 15% or $6,000 in SS
payments/obligations.
 
For an owner who personally owns his/her own building and desires (assuming

the business has the cash flow) to take more money out of the business, it
is  
better done through increases in building rent than in increases in
payroll.

 

John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)   

by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 

2110 S. Dairy  Road
West Melbourne, FL 32904
321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
Cell:  321-794-6259
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From jim at visaliaidea.com  Wed Jan 16 12:23:52 2008
From: jim at visaliaidea.com (James Laber)
Date: Wed Jan 16 12:24:26 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Variable data
In-Reply-To: <20080116170004.0DFC3D776E7@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <00ca01c85864$9110cb70$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local>

We have been doing what we can with the typical programs but are looking to
step up to being able to vary data and graphics within a single mailing. I
know some of the software that is used for this purpose has been discussed
here but as fast as things are evolving in this arena what software is best
for those who have already made the leap. 

Jim Laber
Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc
1921 E Main St
Visalia CA 93292
559-733-4149 X118
Fax: 559-636-3690
jim@visaliaidea.com
http://www.visaliaidea.com/
Member Of: Visalia Chamber of Commerce
Tulare Chamber of Commerce
Exeter Chamber of Commerce
NAQP-National Association of Quick Printers 
ASI-Advertising Specialty Institute

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:16:13 -0500
From: "Rick Martin" <markath1@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Window Envelope Printing
To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'"
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The last spec I saw in print was on Notice67 dated September 2000.  It
states "place the entire return address in the top 1/3 of mailpiece".  To
the best of my knowledge, it has not been changed and it is the spec we go
by.

Hope it helps.

Rick Martin
Advanced Print & Copy
229 Memorial Avenue
W Springfield,  MA  01089
413-736-9808
markath1@verizon.net
www.advancedprintandcopy.com


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cyndy Wendt Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:58 AM
To: PrintOwners List
Subject: [PrintOwners] Window Envelope Printing

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Hello,

I just had an envelope order rejected because the post office says the
return address is printed too low on the envelope which caused the automated
equipment to read the return address on the envelope rather than the
addressee's address in the window and thus returned the piece to the sender.

The most recent order was printed 1/8" lower than the previous order and the
post office told our client it was too close to the window. On the rejected
envelope the bottom of the return address is 3/8" from the top of the
window.

This has never happened before and so far I haven't found a postal rule
regarding printing the return on a window envelope.

Can any of you mailing experts shed some light on this?

Thanks much,

Cyndy
-- 
Cyndy Wendt Harkins
President
Pioneer Printing, Inc.
3133 S. 7th., Suite D
Lincoln, Nebraska 68502
cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com

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Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:39:58 -0600
From: "Mike@arborprinting.com" <mike@arborprinting.com>
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] CLC 1180 for Sale
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Boat anchor.
Thanks,


Michael Shuta
Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc
630-969-2277
www.arborprinting.com
mike@arborprinting.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cyndy Wendt Harkins" <cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
To: "PrintOwners List" <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] CLC 1180 for Sale


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> On 1/15/08 4:39 PM, "Michael Vogel" <mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I paid to have my 800 taken to the dump. I have chosen not to realize
>> my paper loss on the 1150 still sitting on my floor, unused in the
>> couple of post-service-contract years since it jammed while eating a
>> color transfer. If it has value greater than that of any other
>> horizontal surface on which we collect dust, I'd be happy to learn of
>> it.
>>
> Michael,
>
> I guess this is your polite way of telling me I'm out of my mind?
>
> Here are my choices regarding this machine:
>
> Return to Canon Financial at my expense - probably close to $1000
>
> Keep it for $800 and see if someone will buy it. Balance due Canon 
> Financial
> after the last payment is made is slightly less than $2000 (includes
> purchase price of $800 plus property taxes). Obviously Canon doesn't want 
> it
> back.
>
> Apparently $4500 was not a reasonable price. $2000 anyone?
>
> I have no use for this machine in the shop. We have a CPP500 for our main
> machine and the color copier I got stuck with when I bought out a small 
> shop
> which has about a year to go on the lease. Luckily, maintenance on that 
> one
> is very cheap.
>
> Sounds like you would have someone haul it to the dump. Anyone else got 
> any
> ideas?
>
> Cyndy
> -- 
> Cyndy Wendt Harkins
> President
> Pioneer Printing, Inc.
> 3133 S. 7th., Suite D
> Lincoln, Nebraska 68502
> cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com
>
> 402.483.7575
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:45:37 -0500
From: "Barry Wolf" <barry@wolfprinting.com>
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] RE: Gift Certificates
To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'"
	<printowners@printweb.org>
Message-ID: <001601c8585f$390a68a0$9000a8c0@wolf1>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"

Ennis Co. has them in their catalog.
Regards

Barry V. Wolf
Wolf Printing, LLC
1200 Haines Road
York, PA 17402
717-755-1560
717-840-0496 FAX
barry@wolfprinting.com


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Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:30 AM
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Any good contacts with a company that provides custom printed?gift
certificates w/tracking book.

Tommy

Copy That, Inc.
3515 E. Tremont Ave.
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
718.892.1859
718.892.2315 Fax
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From jim at visaliaidea.com  Wed Jan 16 12:28:47 2008
From: jim at visaliaidea.com (James Laber)
Date: Wed Jan 16 12:29:03 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Purup Eskofot DPX
In-Reply-To: <20080116170004.0DFC3D776E7@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <00cb01c85865$4063c280$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local>

We started having paper jam errors yesterday and after checking all fuses
and putting back together we were able to make a dozen plates and then we
got another paper jam error and now its coming up with image-setter not
found scsi error. Any ideas on a fix would be appreciated. Our local dealer
lost his dealership because he refused to take their training so he can no
longer service the equipment. TIA

Jim Laber
Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc
1921 E Main St
Visalia CA 93292
559-733-4149 X118
Fax: 559-636-3690
jim@visaliaidea.com
http://www.visaliaidea.com/
Member Of: Visalia Chamber of Commerce
Tulare Chamber of Commerce
Exeter Chamber of Commerce
NAQP-National Association of Quick Printers 
ASI-Advertising Specialty Institute




From swiftyprinting at mac.com  Wed Jan 16 12:29:54 2008
From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck)
Date: Wed Jan 16 12:30:09 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Riso HC5500
In-Reply-To: <00ca01c85864$9110cb70$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local>
References: <00ca01c85864$9110cb70$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local>
Message-ID: <46B089D8-1674-4BA4-9E76-16581148D8F5@mac.com>

Does anyone have or had as a demo the Riso HC5500 full color high  
speed inkjet printer/copier?
It seems like it could be a good fit for a niche market of full color  
short run envelopes.


Chuck Pappas
Arlington Swifty Printing
1386 Massachusetts Avenue
Arlington, MA 02476
781-646-8700
www.arlingtonswifty.com
Member: National Association of Quick Printers
Print Industry of New England
GATF
Adobe Service Network
Quark Alliance
Microsoft Publisher Provider


From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Wed Jan 16 12:36:52 2008
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan 16 12:37:13 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Services Pricing Study Available Free
Message-ID: <c5a.23afc9b0.34bf9ab4@aol.com>

Dear Fellow Printowners,
 
Just a short note to advise those of you who are currently providing and  
selling mailing services that the 2008-2009 Mailing Services Pricing  Survey is 
in the mail. In fact, by the time you read this, almost 90%  of our initial 7M 
mailing has been delivered. In addition, we are also doing an  electronic 
version of the survey in cooperation with Quick Printing Magazine.  They will be 
distributing approximately 7M emails to a random Nth number  selection.
 
Nonetheless, that doesn't mean that everyone who offers mailing services,  or 
even participated in the past, will necessarily receive a copy of the survey. 
 In the event you do not receive a survey either in the mail or one via  
email from Quick Printing Magazine, you can still go directly to the following  
web site address and download a copy of the survey. Because of the higher than  
normal response rate expected, we will absolutely firm regarding the  
published deadline of February 28th. This is the web site address:
 
_http://www.quickconsultant.com/Generalsurveyinstructions.htm_ 
(http://www.quickconsultant.com/Generalsurveyinstructions.htm) 
 
Any firm that completes the survey and submits it by the deadline will  
receive a free hard-copy of the final study.
 

John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)   

by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 

2110 S. Dairy  Road
West Melbourne, FL 32904
321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
Cell:  321-794-6259
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
"Winners  analyze, losers rationalize."



**************Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.     
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Wed Jan 16 12:57:39 2008
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan 16 12:58:01 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Purup Eskofot DPX
Message-ID: <bfa.58fcdbf.34bf9f93@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 1/16/2008 12:30:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jim@visaliaidea.com writes:

We  started having paper jam errors yesterday and after checking all fuses
and  putting back together we were able to make a dozen plates and then we
got  another paper jam error and now its coming up with image-setter not
found  scsi error. Any ideas on a fix would be appreciated. Our local dealer
lost  his dealership because he refused to take their training so he can  no
longer service the equipment. TIA



According to our DTP department, one possible source of jams is that  
chemicals run low but are not always detected by the proper sensors and this can  
definitely cause jams.
 
One other source is that on a rare occasion the roll is not properly loaded  
and square and this too can cause jams.
 

John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)   

by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 

2110 S. Dairy  Road
West Melbourne, FL 32904
321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
Cell:  321-794-6259
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
"Winners  analyze, losers rationalize."



**************Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.     
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Wed Jan 16 12:59:24 2008
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan 16 12:59:49 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Purup Eskofot DPX
Message-ID: <c34.248406c5.34bf9ffc@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 1/16/2008 12:30:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jim@visaliaidea.com writes:

We  started having paper jam errors yesterday and after checking all fuses
and  putting back together we were able to make a dozen plates and then we
got  another paper jam error and now its coming up with image-setter not
found  scsi error. Any ideas on a fix would be appreciated. Our local dealer
lost  his dealership because he refused to take their training so he can  no
longer service the equipment. TIA



One other thing to consider.... have you changed chemicals recently?  
Apparently, some of the boards are very close to the tanks and it is more than  
possible that an inadvertent chemical splash or spill can actually wipe out a  
board.... the latter advice coming from a technician we trust highly.
 

John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)   

by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 

2110 S. Dairy  Road
West Melbourne, FL 32904
321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
Cell:  321-794-6259
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
"Winners  analyze, losers rationalize."



**************Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.     
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
From sos at olympus.net  Wed Jan 16 13:11:35 2008
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Wed Jan 16 13:13:53 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Purup Eskofot DPX
References: <00cb01c85865$4063c280$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local>
Message-ID: <06de01c8586b$3b21b970$6900a8c0@DANIEL>

> We started having paper jam errors yesterday and after checking all fuses
> and putting back together we were able to make a dozen plates and then we
> got another paper jam error and now its coming up with image-setter not
> found scsi error. Any ideas on a fix would be appreciated. Our local 
> dealer
> lost his dealership because he refused to take their training so he can no
> longer service the equipment. TIA
===================

So who is the dealer in your area now?  xpedx is around here.  Anyway, we 
got quite a few scsi errors when we first got our DPX and once it was just a 
wire connection that came loose, which fixed it for a while, but we got more 
scsi errors and so they increased the voltage or something like that.  Which 
fixed it for three years now.
What John said about chemical levels and non straight feeding of a roll 
sound like the more likely culprit for jams.

Good luck.

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860 


From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Wed Jan 16 13:51:31 2008
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Wed Jan 16 13:51:51 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] aluminum signs
In-Reply-To: <c34.248406c5.34bf9ffc@aol.com>
References: <c34.248406c5.34bf9ffc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <B501A386-C271-4676-B777-791F276FB48F@falconprintandcopy.com>

Parking to be specific.  Does anyone have a vendor for these?  I only  
do it a few times a year, and it usually a one-off piece, but I can't  
find anyone good to do them.  Let me know.

Borzou Azabdaftari
Falcon Print and Copy
1921 Gallows Road
Suite 150
Vienna, VA 22182
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134
borzou@falconprintandcopy.com
From david.doost at gmail.com  Wed Jan 16 14:50:55 2008
From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost)
Date: Wed Jan 16 14:51:14 2008
Subject: Value of your business,
	was Re: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
In-Reply-To: <3F06B423-A20F-4F4E-8079-B50C8FB01765@pressexpress.org>
References: <20080115202543.AE0B2D742A0@rb.enter.net>	<00aa01c857ba$36e48a60$a4ad9f20$@com>	<013b01c857cd$996bf340$1c00a8c0@abf.local>
	<3F06B423-A20F-4F4E-8079-B50C8FB01765@pressexpress.org>
Message-ID: <478e601d.2201360a.582a.ffffd177@mx.google.com>

Just read this article -it might be of interest in light of this thread.

David Doost
Printing Impression

BUSINESS BUYER TIP

Want to Sell a Business? You May Not Be Ready.

As Buyers Get Pickier, Owners Must Do More To Spiff Up Companies

By Arden Dale of The Wall Street Journal

A lot of entrepreneurs think they have the perfect retirement plan: They'll
sell the business for a bundle and live off the proceeds. But many of them
may be in for an unpleasant surprise when they're ready to bail: They
haven't done the work they need to do to get the company ready for a buyer.
Small businesses often lack key elements that buyers look for -- such as
proper financial records or detailed documentation about how the business
runs. Moreover, lots of owners go into the selling process without
researching the market, so they have unrealistic ideas about the price their
business will fetch. The result: It can take much longer than expected to
close a sale -- sometimes years. In fact, a recent study by the Alliance of
Merger and Acquisition Advisors found that many advisers believe seven of 10
midsize businesses will transfer ownership during the next decade, and that
at least 90% are now ill-prepared. In many cases, the problem is that small
companies, with limited resources, haven't kept up on the record-keeping and
documentation that buyers demand. 

A Tough Market 

For their part, buyers are getting more demanding than ever. Faced with
increasing competition in all industries, and the threat of an economic
slowdown, they're doing exhaustive research on acquisition candidates,
trying to catch potential problems. "What Wall Street has been used to is
now coming to Main Street, in that the same type of care is taken with these
transactions," says Michael Hoesly, 56 years old, of Madison, Wis., who is
completing the sale of his business-brokerage firm and owns several other
small businesses. "Now, to do a $5 million transaction requires due
diligence similar to larger public companies. It's the same questions,
they're just stripped down to a simpler level."
So, where should a small business start? 
Experts suggest that small firms get organized three to five years before
they start to think about exiting the business. Some experts recommend a
longer period -- say, seven years before. Why the long lead time?
Prospective buyers often look for a long history on the business, including
financial records, business plans and other documentation. It can take years
to make sure a small business is leaving the right kind of paper trail. 
Financial statements are a good place to start. Small businesses take a
range of approaches to keeping financial records. Those with $20 million or
more in sales are likely to have some form of audited review; some smaller
ones keep records that don't even conform to generally accepted accounting
principles."My sense of the value of the company will go up if I have
confidence that the statements have been done by a well-known accounting
firm, rather than your brother-in-law, and that they preferably are
audited," says Mr. Hoesly.
What's in those statements is just as important. Records should show the
best operating profitability and cash flow possible -- so small-business
owners should cut back on unnecessary expenses if they expect a sale in the
next few years. "If personal expenses are a little on the generous side --
trade shows in more exotic places, the number of vehicles for business use,
for example -- you might want to see if you could scale those back," says
Neil Lerner, director of the Small Business Development Center at the
business school at the University of Wisconsin in Madison. "You also want to
make sure that the owner's compensation was realistic."

A Hard Look 

Moreover, small firms should take a tough look at manufacturing, safety or
other processes essential to the business, and clean them up as much as
possible."A board of directors can help you do this," says Andrew D. Keyt,
executive director of the Family Business Center at Loyola University
Chicago. "A lot of small businesses don't have one, but they should think
about it. A board can be an umbrella that continues to look out for you." He
advises that board members must have solid knowledge of business in general
and be independent enough to naysay the owner at times. 
Finally, when entrepreneurs are ready to sell, they should get professional
help to figure out how much the business is worth and how to handle the
sale. Owners often think the company is worth more than it will really fetch
in the market, which makes them ill-prepared to sell."Business owners have a
terrible problem there; it's not their forte," says Mr. Hoesly. "The
question is, who do they trust?"
When Norb Kaiser sold his business, Kamco Plastics Inc., in Schaumburg,
Ill., he interviewed five investment banks before settling on one to handle
the sale. Ultimately, he picked one with a history of making deals in the
industry. But Mr. Kaiser took steps long before then. He says he viewed the
business as an investment from the start, so for years he kept his finger on
the pulse of the plastics industry, watching the prices fetched by
businesses similar to his. He also made sure to get audited financial
statements for Kamco. Even then, it took him years to sell the company.
Among other things, troubles at a big customer set the company back, and it
had to rebuild sales. "I wanted to retire when I was 60, and now I'm 66,"
says Mr. Kaiser. "It took longer than I thought; everyone thinks it will be
quicker than it is." 

Arden Dale is a reporter for the Wall Street Journal. 

This article was reprinted with the permission of The Wall Street Journal.


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:11 AM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: Value of your business, was Re: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of
new Merger and thanks

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

> The printing company gets the write off and you get
> the profits!!!

I think that uncle sam will get you one way or another.  What is the  
difference if the company gets to write it off while you have to claim  
the profits as income as opposed to the company showing the profits  
and you have no income from the rent?  Either way, that $3,000 has to  
be reported as income, either by you or the business you own.  Either  
way you add it, it is your profit.

Greg


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From mitch at mitchevansconsulting.com  Wed Jan 16 15:09:48 2008
From: mitch at mitchevansconsulting.com (Mitch Evans)
Date: Wed Jan 16 15:10:19 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] aluminum signs
In-Reply-To: <B501A386-C271-4676-B777-791F276FB48F@falconprintandcopy.com>
Message-ID: <00a201c8587b$bf061e10$6501a8c0@Y765TJ>

Grimco -- 1-800-542-9941

Mitch Evans
Mitch Evans Consulting & The Next Level Group
168 E. Inlet Drive 
Palm Beach, FL 33480
561-351-6950 phone
561-845-7525 fax
www.mitchevansconsulting.com
www.the-nextlevelgroup.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 1:52 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] aluminum signs

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Parking to be specific.  Does anyone have a vendor for these?  I only  
do it a few times a year, and it usually a one-off piece, but I can't  
find anyone good to do them.  Let me know.

Borzou Azabdaftari
Falcon Print and Copy
1921 Gallows Road
Suite 150
Vienna, VA 22182
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134
borzou@falconprintandcopy.com
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From ron at printingconcepts.com  Wed Jan 16 16:33:29 2008
From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart)
Date: Wed Jan 16 16:25:55 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
In-Reply-To: <55100.53794.qm@web38906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHMEDKJOAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>

This question is for John Stewart:

Are there buyers out there for the shops in various segments, say

1.  550K-1MM
2.  1MM-2MM
3.  3MM + above

It seems to me that the entrepreneurial spirit has waned, and also,  some of
that spirit is directed in the direction of franchises.  Are there many
buyers out there for print shops?  I have to confess, I bought your book but
haven't read it yet.

It would be good to get an opinion from someone who is not just speculating
(namely me)




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4246 Hudson Drive
Stow, Ohio  44224
330-572-8200  fax. 330-572-8201
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-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Ted Gelletly
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 4:14 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks


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I see. Thanks.

Ted Gelletly
Champion Printing
5401 New Expansion Drive
Eldersburg MD 21784
410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488
ted@championprintingonline.com


----- Original Message ----
From: "QKCONSULT@aol.com" <QKCONSULT@aol.com>
To: printowners@printweb.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 3:02:40 PM
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks

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In a message dated 1/15/2008 12:22:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
championprinting@yahoo.com writes:

I bother  to negotiate a deal where we would only receive the wholesale
value
of our  equipment (assets) when we could simply call an equipment broker and
receive  cash? That doesn't make sense to me. Is this  clearer?



If all you owned was the equipment then it might not make sense, but   the
sellers wanted to sell the entire entity, without having to liquidate the
assets
and then attempt to sell the real estate separately in a down economy.   The
assets have a much higher value when sold as part of an going concern than
they do during liquidation. Printing equipment today might not come close to
what the owner's received for it as a package. Knowing the "wholesale" value
of
equipment and being able to sell it for that is a totally different issue.


John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)

by Larry Hunt & John Stewart

2110 S. Dairy  Road
West Melbourne, FL 32904
321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
Cell:  321-794-6259
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/)
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From jgross at techiowa.com  Wed Jan 16 16:34:04 2008
From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross)
Date: Wed Jan 16 16:45:23 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Scanning
In-Reply-To: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHMEDKJOAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>
Message-ID: <000601c85887$849b2b10$6900000a@tech.local>

Is there a function in Adobe or Paperport's Scansoft for deskewing and
despeckle that anyone is aware of?

Or does anyone have a software that will accomplish this?

Thank you

John A. Gross
Technigraphics, Inc
Iowa City, Iowa 52240
  techiowa.com




From ron at printingconcepts.com  Wed Jan 16 16:43:34 2008
From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart)
Date: Wed Jan 16 16:45:40 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Mergers/Equipment Values
Message-ID: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHIEDLJOAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>

The discussion of equipment value brought up an exercise I do at the end of
each year:

I value my equipment in three ways:

1.  Replacement value for insurance purposes

2.  Orderly Sale, a sale that might take 2 months for small items and 6 for
the larger ones

3.  Liquidation value, "fire sale"

I get the opinion of several equipment dealers on the major stuff and then
wing it for the smaller stuff.  Keeps me up to date on my insurance coverage
and my banker uses the list occasionally.

I like to attend auctions, and the last 5 I have attended over the past two
years have brought prices that I would consider to be even above orderly
sale.  Printers don't seem to do their homework before going to the auction.







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If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you;  But if you
really make them think, they'll hate you.  --Don Marquis

People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham

The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego
ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the
pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell




Ron Taggart, President
PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC.
4246 Hudson Drive
Stow, Ohio  44224
330-572-8200  fax. 330-572-8201
www.printingconcepts.com
ron@printingconcepts.com



From ron at printingconcepts.com  Wed Jan 16 16:43:35 2008
From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart)
Date: Wed Jan 16 16:45:45 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger/EQUIPMENT VALUE
In-Reply-To: <55100.53794.qm@web38906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHMEDLJOAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>

The discussion of equipment value brought up an exercise I do at the end of
each year:

I value my equipment in three ways:

1.  Replacement value for insurance purposes

2.  Orderly Sale, a sale that might take 2 months for small items and 6 for
the larger ones

3.  Liquidation value, "fire sale"

I get the opinion of several equipment dealers on the major stuff and then
wing it for the smaller stuff.  Keeps me up to date on my insurance coverage
and my banker uses the list occasionally.

I like to attend auctions, and the last 5 I have attended over the past two
years have brought prices that I would consider to be even above orderly
sale.  Printers don't seem to do their homework before going to the auction.



Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below
should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a
statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general
edification of this writer's friends and correspondents.

If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you;  But if you
really make them think, they'll hate you.  --Don Marquis

People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham

The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego
ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the
pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell




Ron Taggart, President
PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC.
4246 Hudson Drive
Stow, Ohio  44224
330-572-8200  fax. 330-572-8201
www.printingconcepts.com
ron@printingconcepts.com


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Ted Gelletly
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 4:14 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I see. Thanks.

Ted Gelletly
Champion Printing
5401 New Expansion Drive
Eldersburg MD 21784
410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488
ted@championprintingonline.com


----- Original Message ----
From: "QKCONSULT@aol.com" <QKCONSULT@aol.com>
To: printowners@printweb.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 3:02:40 PM
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****



In a message dated 1/15/2008 12:22:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
championprinting@yahoo.com writes:

I bother  to negotiate a deal where we would only receive the wholesale
value
of our  equipment (assets) when we could simply call an equipment broker and
receive  cash? That doesn't make sense to me. Is this  clearer?



If all you owned was the equipment then it might not make sense, but   the
sellers wanted to sell the entire entity, without having to liquidate the
assets
and then attempt to sell the real estate separately in a down economy.   The
assets have a much higher value when sold as part of an going concern than
they do during liquidation. Printing equipment today might not come close to
what the owner's received for it as a package. Knowing the "wholesale" value
of
equipment and being able to sell it for that is a totally different issue.


John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)

by Larry Hunt & John Stewart

2110 S. Dairy  Road
West Melbourne, FL 32904
321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
Cell:  321-794-6259
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/)
"Winners  analyze, losers rationalize."
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From slb at inkspot.net  Wed Jan 16 17:03:06 2008
From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman)
Date: Wed Jan 16 17:03:42 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel question
In-Reply-To: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHMEDKJOAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>
References: <55100.53794.qm@web38906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <478E38CA.18467.ED1492F@slb.inkspot.net>

I have a lot of names in an Excel spreadsheet that are all uppercase. 
Is there an easy way to convert them to lower-case-with-initial-cap?

TIA,
Steve

Steve Blatman
Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
Tel: 610-647-0776
Fax: 610-647-4560

From gamble at choiceonemail.com  Wed Jan 16 17:11:11 2008
From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird)
Date: Wed Jan 16 17:11:30 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel question
In-Reply-To: <478E38CA.18467.ED1492F@slb.inkspot.net>
References: <55100.53794.qm@web38906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<478E38CA.18467.ED1492F@slb.inkspot.net>
Message-ID: <02c901c8588c$b46ac120$0301a8c0@RICK>

Steve,

	Either in export you should be able to tell it mixed case or when
you dump it in your mailing program tell it to import as mixed case or if
both fail send it to me I'll save the file and send it back to you as mixed
case for you.



Rick Bird
Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc.
3649 California Road
Orchard Park, NY 14127
(716) 662-1515
(716) 662-5917 - Fax
gamble@choiceonemail.com - email


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:03 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel question

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I have a lot of names in an Excel spreadsheet that are all uppercase. 
Is there an easy way to convert them to lower-case-with-initial-cap?

TIA,
Steve

Steve Blatman
Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
Tel: 610-647-0776
Fax: 610-647-4560

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From kellycrom at gmail.com  Wed Jan 16 17:14:48 2008
From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics)
Date: Wed Jan 16 17:15:31 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel question
In-Reply-To: <478E38CA.18467.ED1492F@slb.inkspot.net>
References: <55100.53794.qm@web38906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<478E38CA.18467.ED1492F@slb.inkspot.net>
Message-ID: <004701c8588d$35d93700$6d01a8c0@KELLY>

I found an Excel add-in that will do just that.
Goto http://www.sobolsoft.com/excelcase/ 
You can download a free trial to see how it works. It worked great for what
I had to do, so I purchased it. I think it was around $30.00.

Kelly Crom
Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.

We've Moved!!!
2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
Plymouth, MN  55441
New Phone:  (763)231-6970
kellycrom@gmail.com
www.applied-graphics.com 

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org 
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 4:03 PM
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel question
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> I have a lot of names in an Excel spreadsheet that are all uppercase. 
> Is there an easy way to convert them to lower-case-with-initial-cap?
> 
> TIA,
> Steve
> 
> Steve Blatman
> Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
> 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
> Tel: 610-647-0776
> Fax: 610-647-4560
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> 

From jgross at techiowa.com  Wed Jan 16 17:25:05 2008
From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross)
Date: Wed Jan 16 17:25:28 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel question
In-Reply-To: <478E38CA.18467.ED1492F@slb.inkspot.net>
Message-ID: <000f01c8588e$a84edc80$6900000a@tech.local>

Yes, look at the text functions.  The function "proper" converts all test
strings to a proper name with cap first.  Lots of fun things in there.

John A. Gross
Technigraphics, Inc
Iowa City, Iowa 52240
  techiowa.com


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 4:03 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel question

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I have a lot of names in an Excel spreadsheet that are all uppercase. 
Is there an easy way to convert them to lower-case-with-initial-cap?

TIA,
Steve

Steve Blatman
Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
Tel: 610-647-0776
Fax: 610-647-4560

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Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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From robin at protypeonline.com  Wed Jan 16 17:39:44 2008
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Wed Jan 16 17:40:24 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Mac question
Message-ID: <081839FA-8388-4CF6-A353-3A7CF0BAFCF0@protypeonline.com>

I think this might be the same error I got one time on my PowerBook G4  
when I ran disk utility....verify permissions or repair permissions?
The process would start and then I would get this message. I asked the  
list and someone asked if I had downloaded any recent software updates  
-- especially to iTunes. Yes, i had .....I was told to drag iTunes out  
of the applications folder and put it on my desktop and then run disk  
utility. I did and it worked!  iTunes?????  I know this, I can't carry  
a tune! :))))
robin


Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com



From bill at werkheiser.com  Wed Jan 16 18:25:13 2008
From: bill at werkheiser.com (Bill Werkheiser)
Date: Wed Jan 16 18:25:35 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Dahlgren Water System parts
In-Reply-To: <00cb01c85865$4063c280$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local>
References: <00cb01c85865$4063c280$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local>
Message-ID: <478E9259.3060807@werkheiser.com>

Any suggestions on where to get parts since they are out of business? 
Thanks.

-- 
Bill Werkheiser
SE PrinTech, Inc.
Coastal Mailing Services, Inc.
http://WeLoveToPrint.com
315 E Banks Street - P O Box 27
Glennville, GA 30427
(912) 654-3610 voice
(912) 654-3611 fax

From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Wed Jan 16 18:26:37 2008
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan 16 18:26:58 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Annoucement of new Merger and thanks
Message-ID: <c1e.20e052fe.34bfecad@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 1/16/2008 4:28:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
ron@printingconcepts.com writes:

Are  there buyers out there for the shops in various segments, say

1.   550K-1MM
2.  1MM-2MM
3.  3MM + above

It seems to me  that the entrepreneurial spirit has waned, and also,  some of
that  spirit is directed in the direction of franchises.  Are there  many
buyers out there for print shops?  I have to confess, I bought  your book but
haven't read it yet.



Yes, there are indeed buyers for all three classes you mentioned  above, but 
as you probably would guess, the higher volume operations take far  more due 
diligence and are fairly protracted, meaning they could take 3-6 months  or 
more to conclude. These buyers tend to be a bit more thorough and cautious,  but 
a $3 million dollar firm can quickly become a $5 million firm through a  smart 
acquisition and become even more competitive in their market place.
 
At the bottom end, especially firms in the $300-500,000 range, knowing that  
even the very best will typically value at 50-70% of gross sales (depending 
upon  excess earnings of course) tend to sell a bit quicker because the dollars  
involved, especially if the owner is providing some financing, tend to be 
lower  and there are more people are willing to take these kinds of risks.
 
The middle range (just a supposition on my part) are probably the hardest  
because this is where you will find the greatest number of shops and the  
greatest number for sale, so the competition is greater as well. There are so  many 
shops in the $1-2 mil. range that, "would sell if the price was right."  
Unfortunately, only a few know what the "right price" really is. Without trying  to 
plug the book, we try to establish a "fair market price" meaning it is a fair 
 price for a buyer meaning we would advise paying that price as well as  
recommending that an owner sell for that price. It might not be the same as the  
asking price or the offering price but it is the price that both qualified  
buyers and sellers could come together and agree upon with little or no remorse  
on either side.
 
Not sure whether the entrepreneurial spirit has waned or not, but as often  
happens in downward economies you do have a number of mid to upper level  
executives being offered "golden parachutes" or more forcefully being forced to  
exit larger corporations.... these people do have money to spend and are looking 
 for solid businesses with a track record and good management in place.... 
Mom  and pop shops have little appeal to many of these qualified buyers.
 
As for franchises, the sales that are occurring typically involve (probably  
90%) re-sales not new stores so the challenges and problems are pretty much 
the  same. Franchises do have a marketing advantage in these sales that 
independents  are hard pushed to match. Just my thoughts.
 
John  Stewart
The Quick Consultant
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
321-727-2442
FAX  321-727-2166
Cell: 321-794-6259
2110 S. Dairy Road 
West Melbourne, FL  32904

Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) 
by Larry  Hunt and myself.



**************Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.     
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
From robin at protypeonline.com  Wed Jan 16 18:34:00 2008
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Wed Jan 16 18:34:13 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mac Question
Message-ID: <544589B2-B544-42B5-83A9-3CF94AFBC9BE@protypeonline.com>

Must be something in the air! 30 mins. after I sent a post re: Joe's  
mac problem, my MacBook Pro just "blinked off". I was using the  
battery but there was over 50% battery power remaining when this  
happend. It really turned off! Waited and got the power cord,  
connected and restarted. All programs closed and when I reopened Mac  
Mail -- got an error message saying something about a Mail Index error  
-- need to close and reopen so the problem would self-correct. Did so  
and then it took 10 mins. to rebuild 3000+ messages.
Last week something similar happened and I just assumed the battery  
was exhausted.....now I'm concerned and have no desire to talk to Mac  
Support but....maybe tomorrow I should take the plunge and try them.
????
Robin

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com



From Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au  Wed Jan 16 18:43:44 2008
From: Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au (Harry Brelsford)
Date: Wed Jan 16 18:44:13 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel question
In-Reply-To: <478E38CA.18467.ED1492F@slb.inkspot.net>
References: <55100.53794.qm@web38906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<478E38CA.18467.ED1492F@slb.inkspot.net>
Message-ID: <a06230905c3b44690012d@[192.168.0.160]>


I wrote these instructions the last time one of our OZ members told 
me how to do it. I did this on a Mac but should be the same on PC.


Create empty column to right of column requiring change.
Click in top cell empty column
In formula bar =PROPER(
    The last character is Shift+9. The closed brackets will be created
Click in the top cell of the column requiring change.
    This copies the word to the new column but in Title case.
Click and drag on the bottom RH corner of the word in the new column.
    This will copy all the words to the new column in the desired case.



>I have a lot of names in an Excel spreadsheet that are all uppercase.
>Is there an easy way to convert them to lower-case-with-initial-cap?
>
>TIA,
>Steve



Harry

-- 
Harry Brelsford

Varsity Graphics
Shop 2 - 195 Varsity Parade
Varsity Lakes QLD 4227
Australia
Ph: 61 7 5575 9417
Fax: 61 7 5575 8091
Harry@VarsityGraphics.com.au
From inkyhand at gmail.com  Wed Jan 16 18:47:55 2008
From: inkyhand at gmail.com (Ron Livingston)
Date: Wed Jan 16 18:48:05 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Riso HC5500
In-Reply-To: <46B089D8-1674-4BA4-9E76-16581148D8F5@mac.com>
References: <00ca01c85864$9110cb70$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local>
	<46B089D8-1674-4BA4-9E76-16581148D8F5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5c2107b30801161547s2682da7ch978f058a8a3b6e6c@mail.gmail.com>

The mailing service on the other end of our building has one. Not sure if it
is a 5000 or 5500. He likes it very much. I have seen the work from it & it
looks pretty good. He runs envelopes, letters & flyers mostly on it. Because
of the nature of his work not needing to be the highest quality, he usually
uses the middle quality grade. He has done a few jobs for me on the highest
quality & they look good. Heavy coverage on a sheet tends to wave a little
from the amount if inkjet ink on the sheet. If I remember correctly, he is
averaging about 1.3 cents a copy. It prints at a rate of about 5000/hr., so
it is quite a bit faster than what I have. If you have any specific
questions, I'll be glad to ask him & get back to you.

Ron

On Jan 16, 2008 11:29 AM, Chuck <swiftyprinting@mac.com> wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Does anyone have or had as a demo the Riso HC5500 full color high
> speed inkjet printer/copier?
> It seems like it could be a good fit for a niche market of full color
> short run envelopes.
>
>
> Chuck Pappas
>
>

-- 
Ron Livingston
Cornerstone Press
1228 Scyene, Suite 117
Mesquite, TX 75149
(972) 285-4670
From jim at visaliaidea.com  Wed Jan 16 19:06:36 2008
From: jim at visaliaidea.com (James Laber)
Date: Wed Jan 16 19:06:53 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Purup Eskofot DPX
In-Reply-To: <20080116212559.E1D6BD785A8@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <010f01c8589c$d39fb220$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local>


I failed to mention that was what the computer was saying in the error box.
There were no actual jams we are now fighting communication and imagesetter
not found and scsi errors. Thanks Dan I will give Xpedx a call.
Jim Laber
Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc
1921 E Main St
Visalia CA 93292
559-733-4149 X118
Fax: 559-636-3690
jim@visaliaidea.com
http://www.visaliaidea.com/
Member Of: Visalia Chamber of Commerce
Tulare Chamber of Commerce
Exeter Chamber of Commerce
NAQP-National Association of Quick Printers 
ASI-Advertising Specialty Institute


According to our DTP department, one possible source of jams is that  
chemicals run low but are not always detected by the proper sensors and this
can  
definitely cause jams.
 
One other source is that on a rare occasion the roll is not properly loaded

and square and this too can cause jams.
 

John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.


One other thing to consider.... have you changed chemicals recently?  
Apparently, some of the boards are very close to the tanks and it is more
than  
possible that an inadvertent chemical splash or spill can actually wipe out
a  
board.... the latter advice coming from a technician we trust highly.
 

John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.


So who is the dealer in your area now?  xpedx is around here.  Anyway, we 
got quite a few scsi errors when we first got our DPX and once it was just a

wire connection that came loose, which fixed it for a while, but we got more

scsi errors and so they increased the voltage or something like that.  Which

fixed it for three years now.
What John said about chemical levels and non straight feeding of a roll 
sound like the more likely culprit for jams.

Good luck.

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860 







From ssheers at sheergraphics.com  Wed Jan 16 19:23:19 2008
From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers)
Date: Wed Jan 16 19:24:23 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel question
In-Reply-To: <20080116232540.59090D78C5A@rb.enter.net>
References: <20080116232540.59090D78C5A@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <1858c16239f0373034c026a21a209b94@sheergraphics.com>

> I have a lot of names in an Excel spreadsheet that are all uppercase.
> Is there an easy way to convert them to lower-case-with-initial-cap?

Make a new column next to the one you want to correct (which could be 
column A) e.g. Column B

In the first cell (say B1) in the new column, type into formula field 
"=proper(A1)"   Cell A1 having all caps.

Enter the formula, hit return key and the new cell B1 will change to 
upper and lower case. Grab the small box in the lower right hand corner 
of B1 and drag to the bottom of the column.

This will copy formula all down column B and should result in all of 
column B's cells being 'Proper' - so to speak!

Afterwards, you might want to copy and 'Special Paste' 'Values Only' 
into another spreadsheet or column, in order to eliminate the 
background formula affecting future work in this current spreadsheet.

Thanks to John Stewart for this hint in early 2005.

Please reply to Simon Sheers at:
<ssheers@sheergraphics.com>

Sheer Graphics Inc.
47 Chestnut Avenue,
Westmont, IL 60559-1127
Tel: (630) 654-4422
<http://www.sheergraphics.com>
Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more
From jodib at blackfoot.net  Wed Jan 16 21:21:25 2008
From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser)
Date: Wed Jan 16 21:21:41 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Scanning
References: <000601c85887$849b2b10$6900000a@tech.local>
Message-ID: <003d01c858af$a92dc7d0$0101a8c0@JodiPC>

John:

Is this to 'despeckle' a photo or?  There are features in Photoshop that 
allow you to
do a Gaussain Blur and despeckle.....will some of those features work for 
you?

Jodi Bowser
Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana
www.pyramidprintingmt.com
jodib@blackfoot.net
Member NAQP #205787
Member Garden City BNI
406-728-1503
fax 406-728-0505

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Gross" <jgross@techiowa.com>
To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:34 PM
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Scanning


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Is there a function in Adobe or Paperport's Scansoft for deskewing and
> despeckle that anyone is aware of?
>
> Or does anyone have a software that will accomplish this?
>
> Thank you
>
> John A. Gross
> Technigraphics, Inc
> Iowa City, Iowa 52240
>  techiowa.com
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> 


From robin at protypeonline.com  Wed Jan 16 22:30:20 2008
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Wed Jan 16 22:30:34 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mac Question
Message-ID: <1A439D8F-EA5D-442E-A4F2-5DE8538645D8@protypeonline.com>

I just ran "repair disk permissions" on my MacBook Pro -- 9 different,  
"Warning: SUID file .....has been modified and will not be repaired.
??????
Robin

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com



From jodib at blackfoot.net  Wed Jan 16 22:56:29 2008
From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser)
Date: Wed Jan 16 22:56:44 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mac Question
References: <1A439D8F-EA5D-442E-A4F2-5DE8538645D8@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <009801c858bc$f11c9fa0$0101a8c0@JodiPC>

I think at this point I'd call my Mac IT guy....for me he is the best and 
when I reach
a point when I can't get the issues resolved (or just don't have the time) I 
give him a call.

and what are you doing working so late?????

(ha ha)

Jodi Bowser
Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana
www.pyramidprintingmt.com
jodib@blackfoot.net
Member NAQP #205787
Member Garden City BNI
406-728-1503
fax 406-728-0505

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robin Niewold" <robin@protypeonline.com>
To: "printowners printowners" <PrintOwners@printweb.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:30 PM
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mac Question


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I just ran "repair disk permissions" on my MacBook Pro -- 9 different, 
> "Warning: SUID file .....has been modified and will not be repaired.
> ??????
> Robin
>
> Robin Niewold
> Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
> 130 N. Market Street
> Paxton, IL 60957
> 217.379.4715
> robin@protypeonline.com
>
>
>
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From robin at protypeonline.com  Thu Jan 17 02:53:05 2008
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Thu Jan 17 02:53:18 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Slitting or kiss cutting
Message-ID: <54FD3044-1742-4D7C-9D45-BCEA451DFBEA@protypeonline.com>

we have a rosback "tank" that we use for slitting (I call it kiss  
cutting) the liner on transfer tape after we apply the tape to forms.
The machine is incredibly old and is to the point of needing  
substantial money put into it to rebuild. What new equipment is out  
there that can do this for us? Our rosback is a friction feed and we  
have 5 slitting heads and we use them all at the same time quite a  
bit. For jobs that have 10 or more slits per piece of tape and the  
slits are only 1/2" apart from each other, we use dies we have made on  
our windmill letterpress but the rosback is much faster when only 1-4  
slits are needed and we are slitting quantities of 25000 sheets.
robin

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com



From markath1 at verizon.net  Thu Jan 17 07:05:09 2008
From: markath1 at verizon.net (Rick Martin)
Date: Thu Jan 17 07:06:04 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Scanning
In-Reply-To: <000601c85887$849b2b10$6900000a@tech.local>
Message-ID: <000001c85901$38b7fb40$660a0a0a@advanced8l9v8x>

When we bought our DPX Genesis platemaker, the scanner software ( QP lite
they call it) does have a despeckle feature as well as something they call
"sanding" which will remove even more from the original.  There is a sliding
scale on this feature to adjust how much you want to take off the original.
It is really pretty neat.

Hope it helps.

Rick Martin
Advanced Print & Copy
229 Memorial Avenue
W Springfield,  MA  01089
413-736-9808
markath1@verizon.net
www.advancedprintandcopy.com


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Gross
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 4:34 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Scanning

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Is there a function in Adobe or Paperport's Scansoft for deskewing and
despeckle that anyone is aware of?

Or does anyone have a software that will accomplish this?

Thank you

John A. Gross
Technigraphics, Inc
Iowa City, Iowa 52240
  techiowa.com




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From acepm2 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 17 07:06:35 2008
From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas)
Date: Thu Jan 17 07:06:56 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Delta RIP 7 for sale...
Message-ID: <c2778de30801170406r63ddd3bakc692543fc7c28aa@mail.gmail.com>

I just wanted to get this out before I list it on eBay.

I have a Delta 7 RIP that I want to sell and thought it best to offer
it to you folks FIRST before I list online.

It comes with windows NT Server 4.0 loaded on an IBM series 220
server. All manuals for the RIP, original software and dongle are
included.

Please contact me directly if you are interested. I'll be placing this
on eBay over the weekend.

Thanks!

Thom Gulyas
ACE Printing & Mailing
www.acepm.com




-- 
Thom Gulyas
ACE Printing & Mailing
Berlin, Maryland 21811
www.acepm.com
From ppiinc7 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 17 08:19:06 2008
From: ppiinc7 at gmail.com (John Steffes)
Date: Thu Jan 17 08:19:15 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Dahlgren Water System parts
In-Reply-To: <478E9259.3060807@werkheiser.com>
References: <00cb01c85865$4063c280$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local>
	<478E9259.3060807@werkheiser.com>
Message-ID: <a5714d730801170519t4c546a40vf064ba97fbe98614@mail.gmail.com>

The roller Store talks about Diamond (Dahlgren) parts on their website.

http://www.therollerstore.com/rollers/syntac_rollers/dahlgren_pages/Dahlgren_Diamond_parts_Crestlines.pdf

-




On Jan 16, 2008 6:25 PM, Bill Werkheiser <bill@werkheiser.com> wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Any suggestions on where to get parts since they are out of business?
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Bill Werkheiser
> SE PrinTech, Inc.
> Coastal Mailing Services, Inc.
> http://WeLoveToPrint.com
> 315 E Banks Street - P O Box 27
> Glennville, GA 30427
> (912) 654-3610 voice
> (912) 654-3611 fax
>
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
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>


-- 
John Steffes
Printing Plus
Delray Beach, FL
From chris at illinoisprintingservices.com  Thu Jan 17 09:01:03 2008
From: chris at illinoisprintingservices.com (Chris)
Date: Thu Jan 17 09:01:44 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Dahlgren Water System parts
References: <00cb01c85865$4063c280$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local>
	<478E9259.3060807@werkheiser.com>
Message-ID: <003501c85911$663e8ab0$6800a8c0@ipsmachine>

Dampener Coating Equipment
800 527 5301


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Werkheiser" <bill@werkheiser.com>
To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:25 PM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Dahlgren Water System parts


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Any suggestions on where to get parts since they are out of business? 
> Thanks.
>
> -- 
> Bill Werkheiser
> SE PrinTech, Inc.
> Coastal Mailing Services, Inc.
> http://WeLoveToPrint.com
> 315 E Banks Street - P O Box 27
> Glennville, GA 30427
> (912) 654-3610 voice
> (912) 654-3611 fax
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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From jgross at techiowa.com  Thu Jan 17 09:46:29 2008
From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross)
Date: Thu Jan 17 09:46:54 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Scanning
In-Reply-To: <003d01c858af$a92dc7d0$0101a8c0@JodiPC>
Message-ID: <001601c85917$beb8c880$6900000a@tech.local>

This is to clean up text.  I did find it in Scansoft, but there is no
control over the size of the speckles it removes.  I can vary the size in my
large format scanning software.  I think that the scansoft function will do
the job for me though.  Thanks

John A. Gross
Technigraphics, Inc
Iowa City, Iowa 52240
  techiowa.com


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jodi Bowser
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:21 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Scanning

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

John:

Is this to 'despeckle' a photo or?  There are features in Photoshop that 
allow you to
do a Gaussain Blur and despeckle.....will some of those features work for 
you?

Jodi Bowser
Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana
www.pyramidprintingmt.com
jodib@blackfoot.net
Member NAQP #205787
Member Garden City BNI
406-728-1503
fax 406-728-0505

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Gross" <jgross@techiowa.com>
To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:34 PM
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Scanning


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Is there a function in Adobe or Paperport's Scansoft for deskewing and
> despeckle that anyone is aware of?
>
> Or does anyone have a software that will accomplish this?
>
> Thank you
>
> John A. Gross
> Technigraphics, Inc
> Iowa City, Iowa 52240
>  techiowa.com
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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From peter at keystonepress.com  Thu Jan 17 11:15:44 2008
From: peter at keystonepress.com (Peter Church)
Date: Thu Jan 17 11:17:18 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] What is the value of a used Heidelberg DI press
Message-ID: <003201c85924$37a20980$7d01a8c0@key.local>

I have a Heidelberg DI press. It has about 11 million impressions and is in
good shape. It is the plus model; not the original model and not the newer
Pro model.
 
I also have a 26 inch four color Komori Lithrone and a CTP device for that
press. So, we do not use the DI very much. The Komori is always inkded up in
four color and it is so easy to make plates for it, that we tend to run all
our short run jobs on that press because it is so easy to do.
 
So, I am selling the DI. My used equipment dealer is offering me $50k and he
will take it away.
 
Do you think this is a good deal or does it have more value? 
 
Thanks,
 
Peter Church
Keystone Press, LLC
9 Old Falls Road
Manchester, NH 03103
phone: 603-622-5222
fax: 603-622-9432
From sos at olympus.net  Thu Jan 17 11:41:39 2008
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Thu Jan 17 11:42:28 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] What is the value of a used Heidelberg DI press
References: <003201c85924$37a20980$7d01a8c0@key.local>
Message-ID: <082401c85927$d5752540$6900a8c0@DANIEL>


> So, I am selling the DI. My used equipment dealer is offering me $50k and 
> he
> will take it away.
>
> Do you think this is a good deal or does it have more value?
===================

I've seen older DI selling for under $50,000. Probably yours has more value 
if you can find someone who wants it.  If you're in a hurry, the dealer's 
offer probably isn't too bad.  He'll have to spend some time selling it, 
advertising it, etc. and then stand behind it and certainly deserves a 
profit for his trouble. So I'd guess $50k is a good offer.

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860 


From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com  Thu Jan 17 14:00:44 2008
From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King)
Date: Thu Jan 17 14:01:22 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Copy Pricing Help Needed!!
Message-ID: <000001c8593b$43887ce0$ca9976a0$@com>

Help! Big Job. What would you charge? 

 

80 Books. 

8.5 x 11 page size. GBC Bound.

272 pages. (80 x 272 = 21,760 copies)

 All pages digital color.

 

Other stuff: This is not a competitive bid situation, nor is the customer
shopping around.  We're getting the job, but I want to be fair to a good
customer, and also price it so they'll hopefully come back for more. Done on
a Xerox 2045. My click charge is about $ .09 (nine cents). 

Tom King
King Printing
1305 W. College Ave.
State College, PA 16801
Phone: 814-238-2536
Fax: 814-237-5238
Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com 

 

From robin at protypeonline.com  Thu Jan 17 15:20:53 2008
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Thu Jan 17 15:41:48 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Wedding Fans
Message-ID: <B66B7C00-611D-4230-932B-055FD0647D8E@protypeonline.com>

what next? A bride is asking if we have ever printed a wedding program  
that doubles as a fan. She said just like the fans funeral homes give  
to churches.....anyone ever done this? Where can I buy "fan kits" and  
how do you print on the fans? Color copier?
Robin

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com



From kellycrom at gmail.com  Thu Jan 17 15:48:10 2008
From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics)
Date: Thu Jan 17 15:49:11 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Wedding Fans
In-Reply-To: <B66B7C00-611D-4230-932B-055FD0647D8E@protypeonline.com>
References: <B66B7C00-611D-4230-932B-055FD0647D8E@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <013e01c8594a$464ad360$6d01a8c0@KELLY>

Print the program on a stiff card stock and mount to a small wooden paint
mixing stick. Voila, you have a fan!

Kelly Crom
Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.

We've Moved!!!
2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
Plymouth, MN  55441
New Phone:  (763)231-6970
kellycrom@gmail.com
www.applied-graphics.com 

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org 
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:21 PM
> To: printowners printowners
> Subject: [PrintOwners] Wedding Fans
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> what next? A bride is asking if we have ever printed a 
> wedding program  
> that doubles as a fan. She said just like the fans funeral 
> homes give  
> to churches.....anyone ever done this? Where can I buy "fan 
> kits" and  
> how do you print on the fans? Color copier?
> Robin
> 
> Robin Niewold
> Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
> 130 N. Market Street
> Paxton, IL 60957
> 217.379.4715
> robin@protypeonline.com
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> 

From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Thu Jan 17 15:49:47 2008
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Thu Jan 17 15:50:30 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Wedding Fans
In-Reply-To: <B66B7C00-611D-4230-932B-055FD0647D8E@protypeonline.com>
References: <B66B7C00-611D-4230-932B-055FD0647D8E@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0801171249x6546968fm6f2c3c332edccebc@mail.gmail.com>

On Jan 17, 2008 3:20 PM, Robin Niewold <robin@protypeonline.com> wrote:
>
> what next? A bride is asking if we have ever printed a wedding program
> that doubles as a fan. She said just like the fans funeral homes give
> to churches.....anyone ever done this? Where can I buy "fan kits" and
> how do you print on the fans? Color copier?


I believe Cora is our resident fan expert.


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com
====================================
Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
                                                    ~Lord Bacon
From segass at heritageprinting.com  Thu Jan 17 15:52:32 2008
From: segass at heritageprinting.com (Steve Gass)
Date: Thu Jan 17 15:53:17 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.
In-Reply-To: <000001c8593b$43887ce0$ca9976a0$@com>
Message-ID: <012701c8594a$e218b0a0$6a1da8c0@BIGdell>

Hello,

We are evaluating adding a second copier.  

The KM6500 is averaging 65,000 11x17 clicks per month. 
With 30k B&W (.01) and 35k (.045) color copies per month.


The B&W jobs are:
-	2 & 3 pt NCR 11x17
-	24p - 48p booklets (with color covers)
-	misc. items on text & cover stock.
-	No much gloss (10% of the time)


What I desire is:
-	Free up the KM6500 for more color work.
-	More Speed than 65 cpm
-	Same Quality (photos) as the KM6500
-	Inserting Color Covers on a B&W machine for booklets.


Questions are:
-	What B&W digital copiers are equal in quality (photos) to the KM6500
-	Pros & Cons on the different B&W digital copies.
-	Cost of machine and the click rates.
-	Does anybody have a comparison chart of the different B&W machine
-	Or do we just put in another KM6500?


The Capital Office Solutions sales guy is talking about the 
Xerox 4110 or the older 4590.



Thanks, 
Steve Gass

Heritage Printing & Mailing
Cell:  240-298-0102








From char at themasterspress.com  Thu Jan 17 15:57:39 2008
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Thu Jan 17 15:59:23 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Wedding Fans
In-Reply-To: <B66B7C00-611D-4230-932B-055FD0647D8E@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <C3B51D63.16B9%char@themasterspress.com>

Robin, my advice would be what I tell friends..... No I don't do that.
"Don't feel like you are going to hurt my feelings if you find the elsewhere
and buy them."  If I can easily help them with printing I do it.  If they
start wanting all of these different options they have seen somewhere else
or on line I just tell them to go there.  Even for friends or family, I am
not a wedding consultant.  If you let them you can end up doing a lot of leg
work that they just don't want to do.
Charlene


On 1/17/08 2:20 PM, "Robin Niewold" <robin@protypeonline.com> wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> what next? A bride is asking if we have ever printed a wedding program
> that doubles as a fan. She said just like the fans funeral homes give
> to churches.....anyone ever done this? Where can I buy "fan kits" and
> how do you print on the fans? Color copier?
> Robin
> 
> Robin Niewold
> Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
> 130 N. Market Street
> Paxton, IL 60957
> 217.379.4715
> robin@protypeonline.com
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> 
> 

Charlene Sims
The Master?s Press, Inc.
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx 75244
972-387-0046
Fax  972-404-0317
Char@themasterspress.com



From copythatnyc at aol.com  Thu Jan 17 16:03:32 2008
From: copythatnyc at aol.com (copythatnyc@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan 17 16:04:23 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Wedding Fans
In-Reply-To: <B66B7C00-611D-4230-932B-055FD0647D8E@protypeonline.com>
References: <B66B7C00-611D-4230-932B-055FD0647D8E@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <8CA27638D9A1E8F-DD8-2516@mblk-d44.sysops.aol.com>

I had a customer asking for fan also last year.? We ended up creating them in on a 8" x 8" stapled on to tongue depressors X-large ones.

Tommy


-----Original Message-----
From: Robin Niewold <robin@protypeonline.com>
To: printowners printowners <PrintOwners@printweb.org>
Sent: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 3:20 pm
Subject: [PrintOwners] Wedding Fans


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****?
?
what next? A bride is asking if we have ever printed a wedding program that doubles as a fan. She said just like the fans funeral homes give to churches.....anyone ever done this? Where can I buy "fan kits" and how do you print on the fans? Color copier??
Robin?
?
Robin Niewold?
Pro-Type Printing, Inc.?
130 N. Market Street?
Paxton, IL 60957?
217.379.4715?
robin@protypeonline.com?
?
?
_______________________________________________?
PrintOwners Discussion List?
Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org?
Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners?
?


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From kevin at abfprints.com  Thu Jan 17 16:05:42 2008
From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko)
Date: Thu Jan 17 16:06:39 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.
In-Reply-To: <012701c8594a$e218b0a0$6a1da8c0@BIGdell>
References: <000001c8593b$43887ce0$ca9976a0$@com>
	<012701c8594a$e218b0a0$6a1da8c0@BIGdell>
Message-ID: <018b01c8594c$bef0ae50$69dbd64b@Danko>

Steve if you're happy with the KM6500 why not add a KM1050 (105 copies per
minute). It will handle all your B/W and free up the 6500 for the color. We
have both and are very happy. The 1050 click cost is .0047 The cost for a
fully loaded 1050 is around $60K.

Kevin Danko
Advantage Business Forms
102 N. Riverside Ave.
Rialto, CA 92376
(909) 875-7163
Fax: (909) 875-7971
E-mail: kevin@abfprints.com
www.abfprints.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Gass
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:53 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Cc: PrePress@HeritagePrinting.com; joegass@heritageprinting.com
Subject: [PrintOwners] Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Hello,

We are evaluating adding a second copier.  

The KM6500 is averaging 65,000 11x17 clicks per month. 
With 30k B&W (.01) and 35k (.045) color copies per month.


The B&W jobs are:
-	2 & 3 pt NCR 11x17
-	24p - 48p booklets (with color covers)
-	misc. items on text & cover stock.
-	No much gloss (10% of the time)


What I desire is:
-	Free up the KM6500 for more color work.
-	More Speed than 65 cpm
-	Same Quality (photos) as the KM6500
-	Inserting Color Covers on a B&W machine for booklets.


Questions are:
-	What B&W digital copiers are equal in quality (photos) to the KM6500
-	Pros & Cons on the different B&W digital copies.
-	Cost of machine and the click rates.
-	Does anybody have a comparison chart of the different B&W machine
-	Or do we just put in another KM6500?


The Capital Office Solutions sales guy is talking about the 
Xerox 4110 or the older 4590.



Thanks, 
Steve Gass

Heritage Printing & Mailing
Cell:  240-298-0102








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From char at themasterspress.com  Thu Jan 17 16:08:47 2008
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Thu Jan 17 16:09:33 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.
In-Reply-To: <012701c8594a$e218b0a0$6a1da8c0@BIGdell>
References: <000001c8593b$43887ce0$ca9976a0$@com>
	<012701c8594a$e218b0a0$6a1da8c0@BIGdell>
Message-ID: <001e01c8594d$30572330$0b01a8c0@CharXP>

Steve I have been looking at the Konica 1050.  I know others on the list
have this machine and seem to speak highly of it.  It is b/w and I think has
the similar engine of the 6500.  I have seen halftones on it and they are
pretty darn good.  Not sure if equal to the 6500 but that is a total
different kind of toner and machine.  The next higher up on color you will
be getting to the Canon 7000 or IGen.  The 1050 does 105 copies.  We just
did a book and ran the color covers and inserted on the Canon IR 105.
Thought about doing it on the color but it is just too slow.  Not made to do
that.  I think the NAQP pricing is in the .0045 a copy.  Very sturdy
productive machine.  
ch

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com
-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Gass
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:53 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Cc: PrePress@HeritagePrinting.com; joegass@heritageprinting.com
Subject: [PrintOwners] Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Hello,

We are evaluating adding a second copier.  

The KM6500 is averaging 65,000 11x17 clicks per month. 
With 30k B&W (.01) and 35k (.045) color copies per month.


The B&W jobs are:
-	2 & 3 pt NCR 11x17
-	24p - 48p booklets (with color covers)
-	misc. items on text & cover stock.
-	No much gloss (10% of the time)


What I desire is:
-	Free up the KM6500 for more color work.
-	More Speed than 65 cpm
-	Same Quality (photos) as the KM6500
-	Inserting Color Covers on a B&W machine for booklets.


Questions are:
-	What B&W digital copiers are equal in quality (photos) to the KM6500
-	Pros & Cons on the different B&W digital copies.
-	Cost of machine and the click rates.
-	Does anybody have a comparison chart of the different B&W machine
-	Or do we just put in another KM6500?


The Capital Office Solutions sales guy is talking about the 
Xerox 4110 or the older 4590.



Thanks, 
Steve Gass

Heritage Printing & Mailing
Cell:  240-298-0102








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From kevin at proprinters.ca  Thu Jan 17 16:15:27 2008
From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin at PRO Printers)
Date: Thu Jan 17 16:15:56 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.
References: <012701c8594a$e218b0a0$6a1da8c0@BIGdell>
Message-ID: <00c301c8594e$15428020$1f00a8c0@promerivale1>

Steve, I can't answer all your questions but I do have some.

We have two Xerox 4110's and they are excellent machines. However, if you 
decide to get a Xerox, move up to the newer 4112. We just received ours 7 
weeks ago and the quality blows the excellent quality of the 4110 away!  We 
paid about $52M for it and click rate is at .006. We're in Canada so you 
might do better in the States. It will handle what you require for sure.

I definitely would not get another colour box unless you have the colour 
volume for it.

Kevin Kerr
Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc.
1900 Merivale Rd.
Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4
Tel 613-727-9444
Fax 613-727-1945
kevin@proprinters.ca
www.proprinters.ca

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Gass" <segass@heritageprinting.com>
To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Cc: <PrePress@heritageprinting.com>; <joegass@heritageprinting.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 3:52 PM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Hello,
>
> We are evaluating adding a second copier.
>
> The KM6500 is averaging 65,000 11x17 clicks per month.
> With 30k B&W (.01) and 35k (.045) color copies per month.
>
>
> The B&W jobs are:
> - 2 & 3 pt NCR 11x17
> - 24p - 48p booklets (with color covers)
> - misc. items on text & cover stock.
> - No much gloss (10% of the time)
>
>
> What I desire is:
> - Free up the KM6500 for more color work.
> - More Speed than 65 cpm
> - Same Quality (photos) as the KM6500
> - Inserting Color Covers on a B&W machine for booklets.
>
>
> Questions are:
> - What B&W digital copiers are equal in quality (photos) to the KM6500
> - Pros & Cons on the different B&W digital copies.
> - Cost of machine and the click rates.
> - Does anybody have a comparison chart of the different B&W machine
> - Or do we just put in another KM6500?
>
>
> The Capital Office Solutions sales guy is talking about the
> Xerox 4110 or the older 4590.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Steve Gass
>
> Heritage Printing & Mailing
> Cell:  240-298-0102
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
> 


From brianoday at eprint.us  Thu Jan 17 16:18:36 2008
From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day)
Date: Thu Jan 17 16:20:38 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Moving a QM 46
In-Reply-To: <C7AB0F7C-F299-4034-BD96-C07C10DD4CE4@mauiprintworks.com>
References: <523E7DD4-7FBD-4948-A413-35691CBEB98A@mauiprintworks.com><C3B181C0.1600%char@themasterspress.com><478c3d0e.08d2260a.319e.4992@mx.google.com>
	<C7AB0F7C-F299-4034-BD96-C07C10DD4CE4@mauiprintworks.com>
Message-ID: <004401c8594e$86049eb0$800101df@eprint.local>

I don't think you can get a pallet jack under a QM there is not a high
enough point to put it under We had the riggers in to move ours and they
used a Johnson bar to get it up on a pallet, moved the press then lowered
it. I like the method mentioned of putting dowels under it. They would be
cheaper than renting and lots easier in my opinion. 

Brian O'Day
ePrint
9970 SW Greenburg Rd
Portland, Oregon
brianoday@eprint.us
503-684-2679 

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Maui Print Works
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:13 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Moving a QM 46

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

That makes perfect sense and I know the "feet" or lifting holes  
you're talking about. We brought our cutter in on roller bars.
We're renting a pallet jack tomorrow.
Thanks for all responses. Any other tips or cautions are helpful.
(Scott, how do you keep pushing once your feet hit the oil?)
With the pallet jack do you lift the ends and then go in from the non- 
op side.

Bill Marsh
Maui Print Works
70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793
bill@mauiprintworks.com
808-242-6634


David Doost wrote:
> We had to move one about 12 ft.
> Learned about this nifty little trick from our favorite H tech.
> The QM has 4 little feet on the bottom 4 corners of the press.
> They are not easily visible. We never knew about them.
> Our guy brought in 4 or 5 small metal dowels that were slightly  
> larger than
> the width of the press.
> He "lifted" the press by means of the front feet, then inserted the  
> dowels
> and
> lo & behold we rolled the heavy press like it weighed 100 lbs  
> instead of 2
> tons!
> He would roll it forward a few feet then take 2 dowels out from the  
> back
> and put them back in the front.
> This is hard to explain in an email. I wish I had taken a video!
>
> If you call the H 800 tech hotline, they will explain better how to  
> do this.
> Hope that helps.
>
> David Doost
> Printing Impression
> 1200 Barrett Pkwy Suite 4
> Kennesaw, GA 30144
> www.printingimpression.net
>
>>
>> Has anyone moved there QM 46 on their own before?  We just got an
>> envelope feeder and we will need to shift our press about 2 ft.  Any
>> tips?
>>
>> Joseph Marsh
>> Maui Print Works
>> Phone: 808-242-6634
>> Fax: 808-242-8967
>> Cell: 808-264-6382
>> joseph@mauiprintworks.com
>>
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From greg at pressexpress.org  Thu Jan 17 16:41:54 2008
From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Thu Jan 17 16:42:49 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Wedding Fans
In-Reply-To: <B66B7C00-611D-4230-932B-055FD0647D8E@protypeonline.com>
References: <B66B7C00-611D-4230-932B-055FD0647D8E@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <A9593D98-3454-4C2A-97F7-8D6B8C2BB28E@pressexpress.org>

Carlson Craft????

Just a thought

Greg
On Jan 17, 2008, at 2:20 PM, Robin Niewold wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> what next? A bride is asking if we have ever printed a wedding  
> program that doubles as a fan. She said just like the fans funeral  
> homes give to churches.....anyone ever done this? Where can I buy  
> "fan kits" and how do you print on the fans? Color copier?
> Robin
>
> Robin Niewold
> Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
> 130 N. Market Street
> Paxton, IL 60957
> 217.379.4715
> robin@protypeonline.com
>
>
>
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org

Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider
Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider


From sos at olympus.net  Thu Jan 17 16:43:38 2008
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Thu Jan 17 16:44:22 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.
References: <012701c8594a$e218b0a0$6a1da8c0@BIGdell>
Message-ID: <089001c85952$052face0$6900a8c0@DANIEL>

> The Capital Office Solutions sales guy is talking about the
> Xerox 4110 or the older 4590.
=-=================

We have a 4110. It's a great copier but sounds like overkill for what you 
want.  It'll easily run 3 to 4 hundred thousand copies per month.
We tend to do more like 150k to 200k per month but still have put 3 million 
on ours so far and it still runs like new.

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860



From s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com  Thu Jan 17 16:53:51 2008
From: s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com (Sonya Hughes)
Date: Thu Jan 17 16:55:47 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Wedding Fans
In-Reply-To: <A9593D98-3454-4C2A-97F7-8D6B8C2BB28E@pressexpress.org>
References: <B66B7C00-611D-4230-932B-055FD0647D8E@protypeonline.com>
	<A9593D98-3454-4C2A-97F7-8D6B8C2BB28E@pressexpress.org>
Message-ID: <02FE40C5-311D-4E96-8179-BCDE733ED4B2@legendsofdodgecity.com>

Robin, Carlson Craft (now Navitor) used to sell them.
Sonya
Legends Printing
Dodge City, KS

On Jan 17, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Greg Weinfurter wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Carlson Craft????
>
> Just a thought
>
> Greg
> On Jan 17, 2008, at 2:20 PM, Robin Niewold wrote:
>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> what next? A bride is asking if we have ever printed a wedding  
>> program that doubles as a fan. She said just like the fans funeral  
>> homes give to churches.....anyone ever done this? Where can I buy  
>> "fan kits" and how do you print on the fans? Color copier?
>> Robin
>>
>> Robin Niewold
>> Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
>> 130 N. Market Street
>> Paxton, IL 60957
>> 217.379.4715
>> robin@protypeonline.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> PrintOwners Discussion List
>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>
> Press Express
> 1869 N. Stevens St.
> Rhinelander, WI 54501
> Phone 715-362-2828
> Fax 715-369-2828
> info@pressexpress.org
>
> Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider
> Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider
>
>
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From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Thu Jan 17 16:57:28 2008
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Thu Jan 17 16:57:55 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Wedding Fans
In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0801171249x6546968fm6f2c3c332edccebc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B66B7C00-611D-4230-932B-055FD0647D8E@protypeonline.com>
	<98f5b19a0801171249x6546968fm6f2c3c332edccebc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <013f01c85953$f3dfd7b0$6401a8c0@corapurvine>

 Here are two sites to check out. I didn't remember that Edie was doing a
folding fan so I listed him too. Cora.
____________________________________________________________________________
____
Check out www.lioncircle.com  They have many formats and you can download
layouts for anyone of dozens of shapes. They are located in Chicago.
____________________________________________________________________________
_______________
This year we bought the patent for a specialized fan called the Breezer Fan.
It folds to fit into a sleeve that is 4 1/8 x 2 5/8 and can be used
repeatedly. It is printed on 14 pt cast coated stock and is available in
one, 2, or 4 color printing. We don't have a web site as yet because we just
completed the legal filings required. I would be happy to continue this
conversation on a land line.  


Edie Goldberg
Goodcopy Printing & Digital Graphics
110 Hamilton Street
New Haven, CT 06511
203-624-0194
203-624-3609
edie@goodcopy.com
www.goodcopy.com 
___________________________________________________________________

Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

From jgross at techiowa.com  Thu Jan 17 16:58:05 2008
From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross)
Date: Thu Jan 17 16:58:42 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Copy Pricing Help Needed!!
References: <000001c8593b$43887ce0$ca9976a0$@com>
Message-ID: <006401c85954$0a47c620$0201a8c0@JGrossLaptop>

I would try for 30-35 cents and run 11x17.

John Gross
Technigraphics

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom King" <TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com>
To: "Print Owners" <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:00 PM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Copy Pricing Help Needed!!


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Help! Big Job. What would you charge?
>
>
>
> 80 Books.
>
> 8.5 x 11 page size. GBC Bound.
>
> 272 pages. (80 x 272 = 21,760 copies)
>
> All pages digital color.
>
>
>
> Other stuff: This is not a competitive bid situation, nor is the customer
> shopping around.  We're getting the job, but I want to be fair to a good
> customer, and also price it so they'll hopefully come back for more. Done 
> on
> a Xerox 2045. My click charge is about $ .09 (nine cents).
>
> Tom King
> King Printing
> 1305 W. College Ave.
> State College, PA 16801
> Phone: 814-238-2536
> Fax: 814-237-5238
> Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com
>
>
>
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> 

From ahavens at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 17 17:12:56 2008
From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop)
Date: Thu Jan 17 17:13:28 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Wedding Fans
References: <B66B7C00-611D-4230-932B-055FD0647D8E@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <011001c85956$1d4352b0$0301a8c0@Leah>

Robin,
You might give these people a try.
http://www.printglobe.com/Products/ProductList~categoryid~8085~_plist~7_8083.asp
I haven't dealt with them since they were Lioncircle in Chicago ( 
www.lioncircle.com ), so don't know too much about them. The printglobe 
people seem to be heavy into promo items.
Good Luck,

Austin Havens, Owner
Havens Printing & Copy Shop
200 N Main
McPherson, KS 67460
620-241-5400
ahavens@sbcglobal.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robin Niewold" <robin@protypeonline.com>
To: "printowners printowners" <PrintOwners@printweb.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:20 PM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Wedding Fans


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> what next? A bride is asking if we have ever printed a wedding program 
> that doubles as a fan. She said just like the fans funeral homes give  to 
> churches.....anyone ever done this? Where can I buy "fan kits" and  how do 
> you print on the fans? Color copier?
> Robin
>
> Robin Niewold
> Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
> 130 N. Market Street
> Paxton, IL 60957
> 217.379.4715
> robin@protypeonline.com
>
>
>
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>
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From bherion at bucksdigital.com  Thu Jan 17 17:24:16 2008
From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion)
Date: Thu Jan 17 17:24:37 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.
In-Reply-To: <20080117210937.49DF1D7C4B6@rb.enter.net>
References: <20080117210937.49DF1D7C4B6@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080117171936.033090d0@bucksdigital.com>

At 04:09 PM 1/17/2008, you wrote:
>The Capital Office Solutions sales guy is talking about the
>Xerox 4110

Just put one of these in a month or so ago as an overflow unit for 
the Nuvera's.
Very nice machine. One service call that lasted a half hour since its 
been here.
You may be able to get Xerox to put one in at n/c for 30 days.
Its slightly pricier than the Konica, but you can get it pretty close.


Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's
Bucks Digital Printing  v.215.579.4200    f.215-579-9510
90 Walker Lane  Newtown, PA 18940
www.bucksdigital.com

From brianoday at eprint.us  Thu Jan 17 17:39:48 2008
From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day)
Date: Thu Jan 17 17:41:44 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Copy Pricing Help Needed!!
In-Reply-To: <006401c85954$0a47c620$0201a8c0@JGrossLaptop>
References: <000001c8593b$43887ce0$ca9976a0$@com>
	<006401c85954$0a47c620$0201a8c0@JGrossLaptop>
Message-ID: <004b01c85959$ddba13a0$800101df@eprint.local>

In Portland the price for that job would be .24 per click 

Brian O'Day
ePrint
9970 SW Greenburg Rd
Portland, Oregon
brianoday@eprint.us
503-684-2679 


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Gross
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:58 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Color Copy Pricing Help Needed!!

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I would try for 30-35 cents and run 11x17.

John Gross
Technigraphics

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom King" <TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com>
To: "Print Owners" <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:00 PM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Copy Pricing Help Needed!!


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Help! Big Job. What would you charge?
>
>
>
> 80 Books.
>
> 8.5 x 11 page size. GBC Bound.
>
> 272 pages. (80 x 272 = 21,760 copies)
>
> All pages digital color.
>
>
>
> Other stuff: This is not a competitive bid situation, nor is the customer
> shopping around.  We're getting the job, but I want to be fair to a good
> customer, and also price it so they'll hopefully come back for more. Done 
> on
> a Xerox 2045. My click charge is about $ .09 (nine cents).
>
> Tom King
> King Printing
> 1305 W. College Ave.
> State College, PA 16801
> Phone: 814-238-2536
> Fax: 814-237-5238
> Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
> 

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From ron at printingconcepts.com  Thu Jan 17 18:13:56 2008
From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart)
Date: Thu Jan 17 18:06:11 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080117171936.033090d0@bucksdigital.com>
Message-ID: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHMEGGJOAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>

We have both the C6500 and 1050.  We like the 1050 but halftones are pretty
good but do not equal the 6500.  Halftones are good, but I would say 10-20%
off the quality of offset.  We have done identical jobs offset/1050.

We love the booklet maker but we were taken by surprise at the cost of the
staples (.008 ea) so we tend not to do longer runs on the 1050 of booklets.
Stupid ass delivery of both booklets (10" off the ground and sloppy
delivery) and flat sheets (limited by WEIGHT not number of sheets) but
otherwise the machine is great.  We designed a conveyor to stack the
booklets better and deliver them up to a reasonable height so we don't deal
with that stupidity anymore.  Runs card stock well and is a match in spec's
for paper with the C6500 (14pt).  Coated is not a problem if the fuser is
set correctly by their techs.




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Stow, Ohio  44224
330-572-8200  fax. 330-572-8201
www.printingconcepts.com
ron@printingconcepts.com


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Bob Herion
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:24 PM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

At 04:09 PM 1/17/2008, you wrote:
>The Capital Office Solutions sales guy is talking about the
>Xerox 4110

Just put one of these in a month or so ago as an overflow unit for
the Nuvera's.
Very nice machine. One service call that lasted a half hour since its
been here.
You may be able to get Xerox to put one in at n/c for 30 days.
Its slightly pricier than the Konica, but you can get it pretty close.


Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's
Bucks Digital Printing  v.215.579.4200    f.215-579-9510
90 Walker Lane  Newtown, PA 18940
www.bucksdigital.com

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From ron at printingconcepts.com  Thu Jan 17 18:24:02 2008
From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart)
Date: Thu Jan 17 18:16:24 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Moving a QM 46--Johnson Bar
In-Reply-To: <004401c8594e$86049eb0$800101df@eprint.local>
Message-ID: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHGEGHJOAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>

Every shop should have a Johnson Bar.   Not to be confused with a Johnson
Rod :)  :).



I've had mine for 30 years.


Makes quick work of moving anything like a small press.


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really make them think, they'll hate you.  --Don Marquis

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pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell




Ron Taggart, President
PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC.
4246 Hudson Drive
Stow, Ohio  44224
330-572-8200  fax. 330-572-8201
www.printingconcepts.com
ron@printingconcepts.com


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Brian O'Day
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:19 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Moving a QM 46


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I don't think you can get a pallet jack under a QM there is not a high
enough point to put it under We had the riggers in to move ours and they
used a Johnson bar to get it up on a pallet, moved the press then lowered
it. I like the method mentioned of putting dowels under it. They would be
cheaper than renting and lots easier in my opinion.

Brian O'Day
ePrint
9970 SW Greenburg Rd
Portland, Oregon
brianoday@eprint.us
503-684-2679

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Maui Print Works
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:13 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Moving a QM 46

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

That makes perfect sense and I know the "feet" or lifting holes
you're talking about. We brought our cutter in on roller bars.
We're renting a pallet jack tomorrow.
Thanks for all responses. Any other tips or cautions are helpful.
(Scott, how do you keep pushing once your feet hit the oil?)
With the pallet jack do you lift the ends and then go in from the non-
op side.

Bill Marsh
Maui Print Works
70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793
bill@mauiprintworks.com
808-242-6634


David Doost wrote:
> We had to move one about 12 ft.
> Learned about this nifty little trick from our favorite H tech.
> The QM has 4 little feet on the bottom 4 corners of the press.
> They are not easily visible. We never knew about them.
> Our guy brought in 4 or 5 small metal dowels that were slightly
> larger than
> the width of the press.
> He "lifted" the press by means of the front feet, then inserted the
> dowels
> and
> lo & behold we rolled the heavy press like it weighed 100 lbs
> instead of 2
> tons!
> He would roll it forward a few feet then take 2 dowels out from the
> back
> and put them back in the front.
> This is hard to explain in an email. I wish I had taken a video!
>
> If you call the H 800 tech hotline, they will explain better how to
> do this.
> Hope that helps.
>
> David Doost
> Printing Impression
> 1200 Barrett Pkwy Suite 4
> Kennesaw, GA 30144
> www.printingimpression.net
>
>>
>> Has anyone moved there QM 46 on their own before?  We just got an
>> envelope feeder and we will need to shift our press about 2 ft.  Any
>> tips?
>>
>> Joseph Marsh
>> Maui Print Works
>> Phone: 808-242-6634
>> Fax: 808-242-8967
>> Cell: 808-264-6382
>> joseph@mauiprintworks.com
>>
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From jodib at blackfoot.net  Thu Jan 17 19:07:07 2008
From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser)
Date: Thu Jan 17 19:07:22 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Wedding Fans
References: <B66B7C00-611D-4230-932B-055FD0647D8E@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <003201c85966$102f2300$0101a8c0@JodiPC>

Carlson Craft also does wedding fans.  We have always done them in-house,
but they have a nice (handout) flyer and will send you samples if it is 
something
you want to promote.............


Jodi Bowser
Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana
www.pyramidprintingmt.com
jodib@blackfoot.net
Member NAQP #205787
Member Garden City BNI
406-728-1503
fax 406-728-0505

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robin Niewold" <robin@protypeonline.com>
To: "printowners printowners" <PrintOwners@printweb.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:20 PM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Wedding Fans


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> what next? A bride is asking if we have ever printed a wedding program 
> that doubles as a fan. She said just like the fans funeral homes give  to 
> churches.....anyone ever done this? Where can I buy "fan kits" and  how do 
> you print on the fans? Color copier?
> Robin
>
> Robin Niewold
> Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
> 130 N. Market Street
> Paxton, IL 60957
> 217.379.4715
> robin@protypeonline.com
>
>
>
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From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Thu Jan 17 19:10:34 2008
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan 17 19:10:53 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Moving a QM 46--Johnson Bar
Message-ID: <d1b.19a85a9b.34c1487a@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 1/17/2008 6:17:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
ron@printingconcepts.com writes:

Every  shop should have a Johnson Bar.   Not to be confused with a  Johnson
Rod :)  :).



The dealer came today with what he thought was his 5,000 lb forklift.  It 
turned out to be a 3,400 lb. After using skates to get it through the double  
doors into the back parking lot the discovered the forklift they brought (this  
guys moves anything and everything) wasn't enough for the B252A, which is about 
 4,000 lbs.
 
Well, we made a quick call to a customer who rents equipment and they  rushed 
over a 5,000 forklift... it still wasn't working and it was lifting up in  
the back. So they took the first forklift and placed a large dempsey dumpster on 
 the back, along with a huge wooden pallet brought by the dealer. Well, that 
was  barely enough counter-weight to do the job, but they still had to use the 
first  forklift to assist the arms of the second forklift raise the press to 
the bed of  the truck.... I kept visualizing who owned the press at that point 
if it  fell.... hell, the ink on the check was still wet! Yes, they finally 
made it.  Good riddance.
 
 
John Stewart
The Quick  Consultant
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
321-727-2442
FAX  321-727-2166
Cell: 321-794-6259
2110 S. Dairy Road 
West Melbourne, FL  32904

Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) 
by Larry  Hunt and myself.



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From paula at curryprint.com  Thu Jan 17 19:43:00 2008
From: paula at curryprint.com (Paula Smith)
Date: Thu Jan 17 19:43:45 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] CD's
In-Reply-To: <20080115153621.1963.32666@hm-pop1.solinus.com>
References: <20080115153621.1963.32666@hm-pop1.solinus.com>
Message-ID: <017801c8596b$151a0a60$9701a8c0@curry.local>

Hi, Jeff:

I'm not sure if they only deal with the trade, but I have had success using
www.nationwidedisc.com

HTH

Paula Smith
Curry Printing & Copy Center
314 North Charles Street
Baltimore, Maryland 21201
410.685.2679
410.685.1018 fax
www.curryprint.com
paula@curryprint.com
"IMPOSSIBLE DEADLINES MET"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-
> bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Haines
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:36 AM
> To: printowners@printweb.org
> Subject: [PrintOwners] CD's
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> I have a customer who wants to have us prepare
> CDs for them with there catalogs on it. They also
> want printed CD holders. I've saved a couple of
> postcards advertising them that I've received in
> the mail last year. I called them and found out
> they would give me the same price as my customer.
> I need a trade source for CDs. Does anyone have a
> recommendation of who they worked with and were pleased with?
> 
> 
> Jeff
> 
> Haines Printing Co.
> 10575 W. Main Rd.
> North East, PA 16428
> (814) 725-1955 . Fax (814) 725-2244
> email: jeff@hprinting.biz . www.hprinting.biz
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From brianoday at eprint.us  Thu Jan 17 19:46:31 2008
From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day)
Date: Thu Jan 17 19:48:26 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Moving a QM 46--Johnson Bar
In-Reply-To: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHGEGHJOAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>
References: <004401c8594e$86049eb0$800101df@eprint.local>
	<GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHGEGHJOAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>
Message-ID: <006c01c8596b$9196c8d0$800101df@eprint.local>

Yup bought one myself about $100 at grainger. We use it 2 to 3 times a year
and when we need it it comes in very handy! 

Brian O'Day
ePrint
9970 SW Greenburg Rd
Portland, Oregon
brianoday@eprint.us
503-684-2679 


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 3:24 PM
To: printowners
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Moving a QM 46--Johnson Bar

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Every shop should have a Johnson Bar.   Not to be confused with a Johnson
Rod :)  :).



I've had mine for 30 years.


Makes quick work of moving anything like a small press.


Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below
should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a
statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general
edification of this writer's friends and correspondents.

If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you;  But if you
really make them think, they'll hate you.  --Don Marquis

People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham

The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego
ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the
pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell




Ron Taggart, President
PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC.
4246 Hudson Drive
Stow, Ohio  44224
330-572-8200  fax. 330-572-8201
www.printingconcepts.com
ron@printingconcepts.com


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Brian O'Day
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:19 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Moving a QM 46


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I don't think you can get a pallet jack under a QM there is not a high
enough point to put it under We had the riggers in to move ours and they
used a Johnson bar to get it up on a pallet, moved the press then lowered
it. I like the method mentioned of putting dowels under it. They would be
cheaper than renting and lots easier in my opinion.

Brian O'Day
ePrint
9970 SW Greenburg Rd
Portland, Oregon
brianoday@eprint.us
503-684-2679

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Maui Print Works
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:13 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Moving a QM 46

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

That makes perfect sense and I know the "feet" or lifting holes
you're talking about. We brought our cutter in on roller bars.
We're renting a pallet jack tomorrow.
Thanks for all responses. Any other tips or cautions are helpful.
(Scott, how do you keep pushing once your feet hit the oil?)
With the pallet jack do you lift the ends and then go in from the non-
op side.

Bill Marsh
Maui Print Works
70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793
bill@mauiprintworks.com
808-242-6634


David Doost wrote:
> We had to move one about 12 ft.
> Learned about this nifty little trick from our favorite H tech.
> The QM has 4 little feet on the bottom 4 corners of the press.
> They are not easily visible. We never knew about them.
> Our guy brought in 4 or 5 small metal dowels that were slightly
> larger than
> the width of the press.
> He "lifted" the press by means of the front feet, then inserted the
> dowels
> and
> lo & behold we rolled the heavy press like it weighed 100 lbs
> instead of 2
> tons!
> He would roll it forward a few feet then take 2 dowels out from the
> back
> and put them back in the front.
> This is hard to explain in an email. I wish I had taken a video!
>
> If you call the H 800 tech hotline, they will explain better how to
> do this.
> Hope that helps.
>
> David Doost
> Printing Impression
> 1200 Barrett Pkwy Suite 4
> Kennesaw, GA 30144
> www.printingimpression.net
>
>>
>> Has anyone moved there QM 46 on their own before?  We just got an
>> envelope feeder and we will need to shift our press about 2 ft.  Any
>> tips?
>>
>> Joseph Marsh
>> Maui Print Works
>> Phone: 808-242-6634
>> Fax: 808-242-8967
>> Cell: 808-264-6382
>> joseph@mauiprintworks.com
>>
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From bill at werkheiser.com  Thu Jan 17 21:46:00 2008
From: bill at werkheiser.com (Bill Werkheiser)
Date: Thu Jan 17 21:46:11 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Dahlgren Water System parts
In-Reply-To: <a5714d730801170519t4c546a40vf064ba97fbe98614@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00cb01c85865$4063c280$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local>	<478E9259.3060807@werkheiser.com>
	<a5714d730801170519t4c546a40vf064ba97fbe98614@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <479012E8.3040206@werkheiser.com>

Thanks, they did have what I needed.

John Steffes wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> The roller Store talks about Diamond (Dahlgren) parts on their website.
>
> http://www.therollerstore.com/rollers/syntac_rollers/dahlgren_pages/Dahlgren_Diamond_parts_Crestlines.pdf
>
> -
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2008 6:25 PM, Bill Werkheiser <bill@werkheiser.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> Any suggestions on where to get parts since they are out of business?
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> Bill Werkheiser
>> SE PrinTech, Inc.
>> Coastal Mailing Services, Inc.
>> http://WeLoveToPrint.com
>> 315 E Banks Street - P O Box 27
>> Glennville, GA 30427
>> (912) 654-3610 voice
>> (912) 654-3611 fax
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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>>
>>     
>
>
>   

-- 
Bill Werkheiser
SE PrinTech, Inc.
Coastal Mailing Services, Inc.
http://WeLoveToPrint.com
315 E Banks Street - P O Box 27
Glennville, GA 30427
(912) 654-3610 voice
(912) 654-3611 fax

From slb at inkspot.net  Thu Jan 17 22:10:54 2008
From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman)
Date: Thu Jan 17 22:11:20 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] oddball envelope
In-Reply-To: <017801c8596b$151a0a60$9701a8c0@curry.local>
References: <20080115153621.1963.32666@hm-pop1.solinus.com>
Message-ID: <478FD26E.11254.151173B2@slb.inkspot.net>

A customer wants us to print 1000 #11 28# brown kraft envelopes. My 
usual sources (Xpedx, Lindenmeyr, First State) will break the 24# 
envelopes, but not the 28#, and my customer really doesn't want to 
buy 2500.

Any suggestions for a vendor who stocks these?

TIA,
Steve

Steve Blatman
Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
Tel: 610-647-0776
Fax: 610-647-4560

From prtquick at eos.net  Fri Jan 18 07:18:45 2008
From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke)
Date: Fri Jan 18 07:17:37 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] oddball envelope
In-Reply-To: <478FD26E.11254.151173B2@slb.inkspot.net>
References: <20080115153621.1963.32666@hm-pop1.solinus.com>
	<478FD26E.11254.151173B2@slb.inkspot.net>
Message-ID: <8BFA375A-C45A-406B-A1DC-EB02D521D5D4@eos.net>

Try Western States (used to Envelope House)
((859) 283-1300


Scott Finke
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Visit our new location!

Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc.
8630 Winton Road
Cincinnati, Ohio 45231
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Phone: (513) 522.2679
Fax (513) 522.2692
Email: info@brentwood-printing.com
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
www.Brentwood-Printing.com
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Send us your file at:
http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Quick. Quality. Printing

On Jan 17, 2008, at 10:10 PM, Steve Blatman wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> A customer wants us to print 1000 #11 28# brown kraft envelopes. My
> usual sources (Xpedx, Lindenmeyr, First State) will break the 24#
> envelopes, but not the 28#, and my customer really doesn't want to
> buy 2500.
>
> Any suggestions for a vendor who stocks these?
>
> TIA,
> Steve
>
> Steve Blatman
> Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
> 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
> Tel: 610-647-0776
> Fax: 610-647-4560
>
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>

From huntleyw at bellsouth.net  Fri Jan 18 08:35:29 2008
From: huntleyw at bellsouth.net (Bill Huntley)
Date: Fri Jan 18 08:35:12 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.
References: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHMEGGJOAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>
Message-ID: <005c01c859d6$ff628820$bae40641@bills4drj3ddzy>

For the last 5 years I've been buying low volume off-lease copiers for less
than a tenth of the retail price. These copiers still have 90% of their life
left. Sometimes I have them shipped, but usually I go pick them up. Ebay is
where I usually look. I use a local  dealer for service - time and materials
only.
Bill Huntley
Universal Copies
Columbia, SC

From Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com  Fri Jan 18 09:00:14 2008
From: Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com (Gerry Engelhart)
Date: Fri Jan 18 09:00:33 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: wedding fans
In-Reply-To: <20080117221332.24BA9D7C9A4@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <200801180800291.SM04236@Engelhart>

Robin,

Contact Edie@goodcopy.com	
They have a very neat fan product, and she is one of our own printowners.

gerry 

Gerry Engelhart
Porath Printsource
21000 Miles Parkway
Cleveland,Ohio 44128
216-626-0060


From info at desktopsxm.com  Fri Jan 18 09:16:50 2008
From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint)
Date: Fri Jan 18 09:16:31 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.
In-Reply-To: <005c01c859d6$ff628820$bae40641@bills4drj3ddzy>
References: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHMEGGJOAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>
	<005c01c859d6$ff628820$bae40641@bills4drj3ddzy>
Message-ID: <4FDDB642-8743-444A-B309-0F2B06D7DB2C@desktopsxm.com>

as a matter of interest, what do you call low volume.

Joel


Joel Brint
Desktop Imaging
St. Maarten
Tel 542-4044
fax 543-1100

"The Printshop with a Difference"



On Jan 18, 2008, at 9:35 AM, Bill Huntley wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> For the last 5 years I've been buying low volume off-lease copiers  
> for less
> than a tenth of the retail price. These copiers still have 90% of  
> their life
> left. Sometimes I have them shipped, but usually I go pick them up.  
> Ebay is
> where I usually look. I use a local  dealer for service - time and  
> materials
> only.
> Bill Huntley
> Universal Copies
> Columbia, SC
>
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>

From copythatnyc at aol.com  Fri Jan 18 09:38:07 2008
From: copythatnyc at aol.com (copythatnyc@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan 18 09:39:30 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:  Scanner died
Message-ID: <8CA27F6E02B1164-B60-2177@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>

Any recommendations on a new scaner?? I read Epson has some good ones.


Tommy
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From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com  Fri Jan 18 10:09:43 2008
From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn)
Date: Fri Jan 18 10:10:32 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Copy Pricing Help Needed!!
In-Reply-To: <004b01c85959$ddba13a0$800101df@eprint.local>
Message-ID: <NCBBLKEPIPMAFICNFNJKEEKLIBAA.bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com>

We'd be around $.20 per 8 1/2 x 11 impression. Paper extra.



Respectfully,



Bernie Bahn  | President | Creative Imaging Inc
1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200  | St. Louis MO 63026

Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 |
bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com

http://www.creativeimaginginc.com <http://www.creativeimaginginc.com/>
Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Brian O'Day
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:40 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Color Copy Pricing Help Needed!!


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

In Portland the price for that job would be .24 per click

Brian O'Day
ePrint
9970 SW Greenburg Rd
Portland, Oregon
brianoday@eprint.us
503-684-2679


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Gross
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:58 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Color Copy Pricing Help Needed!!

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I would try for 30-35 cents and run 11x17.

John Gross
Technigraphics

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Print Owners" <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:00 PM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Copy Pricing Help Needed!!


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>
> Help! Big Job. What would you charge?
>
>
>
> 80 Books.
>
> 8.5 x 11 page size. GBC Bound.
>
> 272 pages. (80 x 272 = 21,760 copies)
>
> All pages digital color.
>
>
>
> Other stuff: This is not a competitive bid situation, nor is the customer
> shopping around.  We're getting the job, but I want to be fair to a good
> customer, and also price it so they'll hopefully come back for more. Done
> on
> a Xerox 2045. My click charge is about $ .09 (nine cents).
>
> Tom King
> King Printing
> 1305 W. College Ave.
> State College, PA 16801
> Phone: 814-238-2536
> Fax: 814-237-5238
> Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com
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From ssheers at sheergraphics.com  Fri Jan 18 10:21:33 2008
From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers)
Date: Fri Jan 18 10:22:58 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Scanner died
In-Reply-To: <20080118143932.82585D7F16C@rb.enter.net>
References: <20080118143932.82585D7F16C@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <0ac9b815203df6a43e3798b6a76e9dcb@sheergraphics.com>

> Any recommendations on a new scaner?? I read Epson has some good ones.

Epson Expression1680  Pro Firewire #E1680-PROFWR

I'm told it's great, but bear in mind I never use any production 
equipment - I  am just the beneficiary!

Please reply to Simon Sheers at:
<ssheers@sheergraphics.com>

Sheer Graphics Inc.
47 Chestnut Avenue,
Westmont, IL 60559-1127
Tel: (630) 654-4422
<http://www.sheergraphics.com>
Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more
From k_graham at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 18 10:29:08 2008
From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Jan 18 10:29:31 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:  Scanner died
References: <8CA27F6E02B1164-B60-2177@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY135-DAV141C94679AC3D780007EBDEB420@phx.gbl>

I prefer our Doc 240 scanner;

50 pages a minute, 11x17, Color, Black and White, Duplex.

Set up a few templates. One for Color Photos 600 dpi.


> Any recommendations on a new scaner?? I read Epson has some good ones.
>
>
> Tommy
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From jeff at hprinting.biz  Fri Jan 18 10:36:16 2008
From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines)
Date: Fri Jan 18 10:37:03 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] CD's
In-Reply-To: <017801c8596b$151a0a60$9701a8c0@curry.local>
References: <20080115153621.1963.32666@hm-pop1.solinus.com>
	<017801c8596b$151a0a60$9701a8c0@curry.local>
Message-ID: <20080118153617.7594.5640@hm-pop1.solinus.com>

At 07:43 PM 1/17/2008, you wrote:
>I'm not sure if they only deal with the trade, but I have had success using
>www.nationwidedisc.com


There prices seem better than a couple of 
postcards I received in the mail for other 
suppliers in the last year. I'm going to quote 
using them based on your success.

Jeff

Haines Printing Co.
10575 W. Main Rd.
North East, PA 16428
(814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244
email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz  
From segass at heritageprinting.com  Fri Jan 18 10:52:19 2008
From: segass at heritageprinting.com (Steve Gass)
Date: Fri Jan 18 10:53:08 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.
In-Reply-To: <005c01c859d6$ff628820$bae40641@bills4drj3ddzy>
Message-ID: <018a01c859ea$1bc82520$6a1da8c0@BIGdell>

Hello again,



Has anybody used this company?

JJ Bender LLC / Graphic Savings Group LLC
457 Castle Ave., Fairfield, CT  06825
office: 203-336-4034   fax: 203-549-0812
rosemariep@jjbender.com
Visit our website at www.jjbender.com and www.graphicsavings.com

If so, what was the experience?


Xerox 4110 $21,000.00 available

Xerox 9110 with Paper Supply Module and High
Capacity Stacker       $35,000.00



Thanks, 
Steve Gass

Heritage Printing & Mailing
Leonardtown, Maryland 
prepress@heritageprinting.com
240-298-0102


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bill Huntley
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 8:35 AM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another
Digital Copier.

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For the last 5 years I've been buying low volume off-lease copiers for less
than a tenth of the retail price. These copiers still have 90% of their life
left. Sometimes I have them shipped, but usually I go pick them up. Ebay is
where I usually look. I use a local  dealer for service - time and materials
only.
Bill Huntley
Universal Copies
Columbia, SC

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From copythatnyc at aol.com  Fri Jan 18 12:01:00 2008
From: copythatnyc at aol.com (copythatnyc@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan 18 12:01:47 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.
In-Reply-To: <018a01c859ea$1bc82520$6a1da8c0@BIGdell>
Message-ID: <8CA280AD5CA7854-B60-2C96@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>

I;m in process now purchasing a Xerox 250 w/creo server with JJ bender

Tommy


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Gass <segass@heritageprinting.com>
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' <printowners@printweb.org>
Cc: PrePress@HeritagePrinting.com; joegass@heritageprinting.com
Sent: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:52 am
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.



***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Hello again,



Has anybody used this company?

JJ Bender LLC / Graphic Savings Group LLC
457 Castle Ave., Fairfield, CT  06825
office: 203-336-4034   fax: 203-549-0812
rosemariep@jjbender.com
Visit our website at www.jjbender.com and www.graphicsavings.com

If so, what was the experience?


Xerox 4110 $21,000.00 available

Xerox 9110 with Paper Supply Module and High
Capacity Stacker       $35,000.00



Thanks, 
Steve Gass

Heritage Printing & Mailing
Leonardtown, Maryland 
prepress@heritageprinting.com
240-298-0102


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bill Huntley
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 8:35 AM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another
Digital Copier.

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

For the last 5 years I've been buying low volume off-lease copiers for less
than a tenth of the retail price. These copiers still have 90% of their life
left. Sometimes I have them shipped, but usually I go pick them up. Ebay is
where I usually look. I use a local  dealer for service - time and materials
only.
Bill Huntley
Universal Copies
Columbia, SC

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From segass at heritageprinting.com  Fri Jan 18 12:06:02 2008
From: segass at heritageprinting.com (Steve Gass)
Date: Fri Jan 18 12:06:46 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.
In-Reply-To: <8CA280AD5CA7854-B60-2C96@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <019c01c859f4$68519b10$6a1da8c0@BIGdell>

Tommy

Comparing what you are paying with JJ to Xerox.

Why did you use JJ?

Advantage or disadvantage?

Thanks, 
Steve Gass

Heritage Printing & Mailing
240-298-0102


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of copythatnyc@aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 12:01 PM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another
Digital Copier.

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I;m in process now purchasing a Xerox 250 w/creo server with JJ bender

Tommy


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Gass <segass@heritageprinting.com>
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
<printowners@printweb.org>
Cc: PrePress@HeritagePrinting.com; joegass@heritageprinting.com
Sent: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:52 am
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.



***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Hello again,



Has anybody used this company?

JJ Bender LLC / Graphic Savings Group LLC
457 Castle Ave., Fairfield, CT  06825
office: 203-336-4034   fax: 203-549-0812
rosemariep@jjbender.com
Visit our website at www.jjbender.com and www.graphicsavings.com

If so, what was the experience?


Xerox 4110 $21,000.00 available

Xerox 9110 with Paper Supply Module and High
Capacity Stacker       $35,000.00



Thanks, 
Steve Gass

Heritage Printing & Mailing
Leonardtown, Maryland 
prepress@heritageprinting.com
240-298-0102


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bill Huntley
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 8:35 AM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another
Digital Copier.

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

For the last 5 years I've been buying low volume off-lease copiers for less
than a tenth of the retail price. These copiers still have 90% of their life
left. Sometimes I have them shipped, but usually I go pick them up. Ebay is
where I usually look. I use a local  dealer for service - time and materials
only.
Bill Huntley
Universal Copies
Columbia, SC

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From sos at olympus.net  Fri Jan 18 12:07:47 2008
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Fri Jan 18 12:08:29 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.
References: <018a01c859ea$1bc82520$6a1da8c0@BIGdell>
Message-ID: <095601c859f4$a678b540$6900a8c0@DANIEL>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Gass" <segass@heritageprinting.com>
> JJ Bender LLC / Graphic Savings Group LLC
> Xerox 4110 $21,000.00 available
>
> Xerox 9110 with Paper Supply Module and High
> Capacity Stacker       $35,000.00
=====================

As far as I know, never used them but have gotten quotes from them, JJ 
Bender is the largest used copier dealer around.
The 9110 is made by Heidelberg before they sold off their digital division, 
based on a Kodak engine, also sold as a Cannon to compete with the Xerox 
Docutechs.  Huge box.

A brand new 4112 is about $40,000 from Xerox.

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860 


From copythatnyc at aol.com  Fri Jan 18 12:27:30 2008
From: copythatnyc at aol.com (copythatnyc@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan 18 12:28:08 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.
In-Reply-To: <019c01c859f4$68519b10$6a1da8c0@BIGdell>
Message-ID: <8CA280E89BF5660-B60-2EA5@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>

Paying $25,000 & Xerox will service on a per click basis of .079 per click.? Xerox only wanted to lease me a new machine.? That would of been around $46,000.? Advantage is saving all that extra money!

Tommy? : )


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Gass <segass@heritageprinting.com>
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:06 pm
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.



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Tommy

Comparing what you are paying with JJ to Xerox.

Why did you use JJ?

Advantage or disadvantage?

Thanks, 
Steve Gass

Heritage Printing & Mailing
240-298-0102


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of copythatnyc@aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 12:01 PM
To: printowners@printweb.org
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Digital Copier.

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I;m in process now purchasing a Xerox 250 w/creo server with JJ bender

Tommy


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Gass <segass@heritageprinting.com>
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
<printowners@printweb.org>
Cc: PrePress@HeritagePrinting.com; joegass@heritageprinting.com
Sent: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:52 am
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.



***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Hello again,



Has anybody used this company?

JJ Bender LLC / Graphic Savings Group LLC
457 Castle Ave., Fairfield, CT  06825
office: 203-336-4034   fax: 203-549-0812
rosemariep@jjbender.com
Visit our website at www.jjbender.com and www.graphicsavings.com

If so, what was the experience?


Xerox 4110 $21,000.00 available

Xerox 9110 with Paper Supply Module and High
Capacity Stacker       $35,000.00



Thanks, 
Steve Gass

Heritage Printing & Mailing
Leonardtown, Maryland 
prepress@heritageprinting.com
240-298-0102


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bill Huntley
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 8:35 AM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another
Digital Copier.

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

For the last 5 years I've been buying low volume off-lease copiers for less
than a tenth of the retail price. These copiers still have 90% of their life
left. Sometimes I have them shipped, but usually I go pick them up. Ebay is
where I usually look. I use a local  dealer for service - time and materials
only.
Bill Huntley
Universal Copies
Columbia, SC

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From copythatnyc at aol.com  Fri Jan 18 12:32:15 2008
From: copythatnyc at aol.com (copythatnyc@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan 18 12:33:02 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.
In-Reply-To: <095601c859f4$a678b540$6900a8c0@DANIEL>
References: <018a01c859ea$1bc82520$6a1da8c0@BIGdell>
	<095601c859f4$a678b540$6900a8c0@DANIEL>
Message-ID: <8CA280F337130C0-B60-2F01@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>

Never heard of 4110 til this forum brought it up.? You have a price of $21,000 hmmm It's faster than the 250 yet 250 cost more.? Anyone esle have a 4110 that can advise me on it's capabilities, especially woth 12 pt coated,

Tommy


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Huntingford <sos@olympus.net>
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:07 pm
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****?
?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gass" <segass@heritageprinting.com>?
> JJ Bender LLC / Graphic Savings Group LLC?
> Xerox 4110 $21,000.00 available?
>?
> Xerox 9110 with Paper Supply Module and High?
> Capacity Stacker $35,000.00?
=====================?
?
As far as I know, never used them but have gotten quotes from them, JJ Bender is the largest used copier dealer around.?
The 9110 is made by Heidelberg before they sold off their digital division, based on a Kodak engine, also sold as a Cannon to compete with the Xerox Docutechs. Huge box.?
?
A brand new 4112 is about $40,000 from Xerox.?
?
Dan Huntingford?
SOS Printing?
2319 Washington Street?
Port Townsend, WA 98368?
Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF?
sos@olympus.net?
(360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 ?
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From smc at sorrentomesa.com  Fri Jan 18 12:39:45 2008
From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel)
Date: Fri Jan 18 12:44:51 2008
Subject: A Little Math (was Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding
	another Digital Copier.)
In-Reply-To: <8CA280E89BF5660-B60-2EA5@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>
References: <019c01c859f4$68519b10$6a1da8c0@BIGdell>
	<8CA280E89BF5660-B60-2EA5@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <200801181744.m0IHi0Oj039658@i2bnetworks.com>


Something to think about.

If you put in a KM6500 under the NAQP contract pricing you would have 
a click charge of .049 no minimum.

and, if you could get out there and sell and in a short time get your 
volume up to 50,000 clicks for month...

the difference between .079 and  .049 is .03 x 50000 clicks per month 
would be a savings of $1500/month.

That would go along way to making a payment on a loan or a lease for 
the 6500, and you haven't even spent the $25,000 yet.

You'd probably spend much less than $25,000 in click charges on your 
way up to building that monthly volume to 50,000

And after that, its all in your pocket.

Just a thought.

S.






At 09:27 AM 1/18/2008, you wrote:
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>Paying $25,000 & Xerox will service on a per click basis of .079 per 
>click.? Xerox only wanted to lease me a new machine.? That would of 
>been around $46,000.? Advantage is saving all that extra money!
>
>Tommy? : )
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Gass <segass@heritageprinting.com>
>To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' 
><printowners@printweb.org>
>Sent: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:06 pm
>Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.
>
>
>
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>Tommy
>
>Comparing what you are paying with JJ to Xerox.
>
>Why did you use JJ?
>
>Advantage or disadvantage?
>
>Thanks,
>Steve Gass
>
>Heritage Printing & Mailing
>240-298-0102
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
>[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of copythatnyc@aol.com
>Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 12:01 PM
>To: printowners@printweb.org
>Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another
>Digital Copier.
>
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>I;m in process now purchasing a Xerox 250 w/creo server with JJ bender
>
>Tommy
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Gass <segass@heritageprinting.com>
>To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
><printowners@printweb.org>
>Cc: PrePress@HeritagePrinting.com; joegass@heritageprinting.com
>Sent: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:52 am
>Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.
>
>
>
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>Hello again,
>
>
>
>Has anybody used this company?
>
>JJ Bender LLC / Graphic Savings Group LLC
>457 Castle Ave., Fairfield, CT  06825
>office: 203-336-4034   fax: 203-549-0812
>rosemariep@jjbender.com
>Visit our website at www.jjbender.com and www.graphicsavings.com
>
>If so, what was the experience?
>
>
>Xerox 4110 $21,000.00 available
>
>Xerox 9110 with Paper Supply Module and High
>Capacity Stacker       $35,000.00
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>Steve Gass
>
>Heritage Printing & Mailing
>Leonardtown, Maryland
>prepress@heritageprinting.com
>240-298-0102
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
>[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bill Huntley
>Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 8:35 AM
>To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
>Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another
>Digital Copier.
>
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>For the last 5 years I've been buying low volume off-lease copiers for less
>than a tenth of the retail price. These copiers still have 90% of their life
>left. Sometimes I have them shipped, but usually I go pick them up. Ebay is
>where I usually look. I use a local  dealer for service - time and materials
>only.
>Bill Huntley
>Universal Copies
>Columbia, SC
>
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>
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From slb at inkspot.net  Fri Jan 18 12:44:16 2008
From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman)
Date: Fri Jan 18 12:45:16 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.
In-Reply-To: <8CA280F337130C0-B60-2F01@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>
References: <095601c859f4$a678b540$6900a8c0@DANIEL>
Message-ID: <47909F20.13.1831089F@slb.inkspot.net>

The 4110 is a digital, black-only machine. It seems to have a better 
imaging engine than most--1200 dpi probably, but 2400 claimed (that's 
probably interpolated), instead of the 600 dpi commonly seen. 
Halftones look a LOT better than on most of the Imagerunners. I've 
been looking, but, so far, haven't bought. It looks like I should 
probably be looking at JJ Bender (or equivalent) rather than Xerox...

Steve


> 
> Never heard of 4110 til this forum brought it up.? You have a price of $21,000 hmmm It's faster than the 250 yet 250 cost more.? Anyone esle have a 4110 that can advise me on it's capabilities, especially woth 12 pt coated,
> 
> Tommy
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Huntingford <sos@olympus.net>
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only <printowners@printweb.org>
> Sent: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:07 pm
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> > JJ Bender LLC / Graphic Savings Group LLC?
> > Xerox 4110 $21,000.00 available?
> >?
> > Xerox 9110 with Paper Supply Module and High?
> > Capacity Stacker $35,000.00?
> =====================?
> ?
> As far as I know, never used them but have gotten quotes from them, JJ Bender is the largest used copier dealer around.?
> The 9110 is made by Heidelberg before they sold off their digital division, based on a Kodak engine, also sold as a Cannon to compete with the Xerox Docutechs. Huge box.?
> ?
> A brand new 4112 is about $40,000 from Xerox.?
> ?
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From segass at heritageprinting.com  Fri Jan 18 12:48:48 2008
From: segass at heritageprinting.com (Steve Gass)
Date: Fri Jan 18 12:50:00 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.
In-Reply-To: <8CA280F337130C0-B60-2F01@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <01a001c859fa$61693500$6a1da8c0@BIGdell>

4110 is a B&W copier


Thanks, 
Steve Gass

Heritage Printing & Mailing
301-475-1700 ext. 205
240-298-0102


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Never heard of 4110 til this forum brought it up.? You have a price of
$21,000 hmmm It's faster than the 250 yet 250 cost more.? Anyone esle have a
4110 that can advise me on it's capabilities, especially woth 12 pt coated,

Tommy


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Huntingford <sos@olympus.net>
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:07 pm
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gass"
<segass@heritageprinting.com>?
> JJ Bender LLC / Graphic Savings Group LLC?
> Xerox 4110 $21,000.00 available?
>?
> Xerox 9110 with Paper Supply Module and High?
> Capacity Stacker $35,000.00?
=====================?
?
As far as I know, never used them but have gotten quotes from them, JJ
Bender is the largest used copier dealer around.?
The 9110 is made by Heidelberg before they sold off their digital division,
based on a Kodak engine, also sold as a Cannon to compete with the Xerox
Docutechs. Huge box.?
?
A brand new 4112 is about $40,000 from Xerox.?
?
Dan Huntingford?
SOS Printing?
2319 Washington Street?
Port Townsend, WA 98368?
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From PDoucette at PRINTHOUSE.com  Fri Jan 18 12:52:02 2008
From: PDoucette at PRINTHOUSE.com (Paul Doucette)
Date: Fri Jan 18 12:52:32 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] B & W Clicks
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We just received a renewal contract for our cannon 105 & 9070. The click
charges are up over 60%. We were at .00409 and the renewal is .0063. Any
feedback on click charges would be appreciated. We guarantee them
250,000 combined for both machines.
Thanks,
Paul

Paul T. Doucette
President
The Print House
200 Maplewood Street
Malden, MA  02148
Tel:  (781) 324-4455
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From copythatnyc at aol.com  Fri Jan 18 13:06:09 2008
From: copythatnyc at aol.com (copythatnyc@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:06:51 2008
Subject: A Little Math (was Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding
	another Digital Copier.)
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Hey Scott how you doing.? I tried to get 6500, but they wanted a second co-signer even with over 200,000 in assets.? Chuck tried to pull some strings to no avail.? Main reason is the name change & ownership.? I was a silent partner on Village Duplicating. To the leasing company we are considered a risk.? So of course I would rather get 6500 based alot on your responses of your machine.? I take it you've hit 500,000 on it already.? : )? 

Thanks Scott

By the way our you doing Rock Bottom's this year?

Tommy


-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Cappel <smc@sorrentomesa.com>
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:39 pm
Subject: A Little Math (was Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.)


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?
Something to think about.?
?
If you put in a KM6500 under the NAQP contract pricing you would have a click charge of .049 no minimum.?
?
and, if you could get out there and sell and in a short time get your volume up to 50,000 clicks for month...?
?
the difference between .079 and .049 is .03 x 50000 clicks per month would be a savings of $1500/month.?
?
That would go along way to making a payment on a loan or a lease for the 6500, and you haven't even spent the $25,000 yet.?
?
You'd probably spend much less than $25,000 in click charges on your way up to building that monthly volume to 50,000?
?
And after that, its all in your pocket.?
?
Just a thought.?
?
S.?
?
?
?
At 09:27 AM 1/18/2008, you wrote:?
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****?
>?
>Paying $25,000 & Xerox will service on a per click basis of .079 per >click.? Xerox only wanted to lease me a new machine.? That would of >been around $46,000.? Advantage is saving all that extra money!?
>?
>Tommy? : )?
>?
>?
>-----Original Message-----?
>From: Steve Gass <segass@heritageprinting.com>?
>To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' ><printowners@printweb.org>?
>Sent: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:06 pm?
>Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.?
>?
>?
>?
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>Tommy?
>?
>Comparing what you are paying with JJ to Xerox.?
>?
>Why did you use JJ??
>?
>Advantage or disadvantage??
>?
>Thanks,?
>Steve Gass?
>?
>Heritage Printing & Mailing?
>240-298-0102?
>?
>?
>-----Original Message-----?
>From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org?
>[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of copythatnyc@aol.com?
>Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 12:01 PM?
>To: printowners@printweb.org?
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>Digital Copier.?
>?
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>?
>I;m in process now purchasing a Xerox 250 w/creo server with JJ bender?
>?
>Tommy?
>?
>?
>-----Original Message-----?
>From: Steve Gass <segass@heritageprinting.com>?
>To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'?
><printowners@printweb.org>?
>Cc: PrePress@HeritagePrinting.com; joegass@heritageprinting.com?
>Sent: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:52 am?
>Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.?
>?
>?
>?
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****?
>?
>Hello again,?
>?
>?
>?
>Has anybody used this company??
>?
>JJ Bender LLC / Graphic Savings Group LLC?
>457 Castle Ave., Fairfield, CT 06825?
>office: 203-336-4034 fax: 203-549-0812?
>rosemariep@jjbender.com?
>Visit our website at www.jjbender.com and www.graphicsavings.com?
>?
>If so, what was the experience??
>?
>?
>Xerox 4110 $21,000.00 available?
>?
>Xerox 9110 with Paper Supply Module and High?
>Capacity Stacker $35,000.00?
>?
>?
>?
>Thanks,?
>Steve Gass?
>?
>Heritage Printing & Mailing?
>Leonardtown, Maryland?
>prepress@heritageprinting.com?
>240-298-0102?
>?
>?
>-----Original Message-----?
>From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org?
>[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bill Huntley?
>Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 8:35 AM?
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>Digital Copier.?
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>For the last 5 years I've been buying low volume off-lease copiers for less?
>than a tenth of the retail price. These copiers still have 90% of their life?
>left. Sometimes I have them shipped, but usually I go pick them up. Ebay is?
>where I usually look. I use a local dealer for service - time and materials?
>only.?
>Bill Huntley?
>Universal Copies?
>Columbia, SC?
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From goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com  Fri Jan 18 13:06:43 2008
From: goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com (Goodway Print and Copy)
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:07:33 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] source for fast custom check printing
Message-ID: <000001c859fc$e2311fc0$660000c8@LeslieXP>

Hi!

I have sent a job to ennis custom but they will not rush it- 1000 3 part
laser sets of three different  8.5x11 checks. The customer's pay check
company went out of business and they are frantic.  Any Suggestions.?

Leslie McDonald
GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC.
15121 Ventura Blvd.
Sherman Oaks, CA 91403
Phone:(818) 783-5172
Fax:(818)783-8649
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From copythatnyc at aol.com  Fri Jan 18 13:07:43 2008
From: copythatnyc at aol.com (copythatnyc@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:09:12 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.
In-Reply-To: <01a001c859fa$61693500$6a1da8c0@BIGdell>
Message-ID: <8CA281427F87B4F-B60-3179@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>

DUh!!! on my part!

Thanks

Tommy


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Gass <segass@heritageprinting.com>
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:48 pm
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.



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4110 is a B&W copier


Thanks, 
Steve Gass

Heritage Printing & Mailing
301-475-1700 ext. 205
240-298-0102


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
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Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 12:32 PM
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***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Never heard of 4110 til this forum brought it up.? You have a price of
$21,000 hmmm It's faster than the 250 yet 250 cost more.? Anyone esle have a
4110 that can advise me on it's capabilities, especially woth 12 pt coated,

Tommy


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Huntingford <sos@olympus.net>
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:07 pm
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****?
?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gass"
<segass@heritageprinting.com>?
> JJ Bender LLC / Graphic Savings Group LLC?
> Xerox 4110 $21,000.00 available?
>?
> Xerox 9110 with Paper Supply Module and High?
> Capacity Stacker $35,000.00?
=====================?
?
As far as I know, never used them but have gotten quotes from them, JJ
Bender is the largest used copier dealer around.?
The 9110 is made by Heidelberg before they sold off their digital division,
based on a Kodak engine, also sold as a Cannon to compete with the Xerox
Docutechs. Huge box.?
?
A brand new 4112 is about $40,000 from Xerox.?
?
Dan Huntingford?
SOS Printing?
2319 Washington Street?
Port Townsend, WA 98368?
Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF?
sos@olympus.net?
(360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 ?
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From char at themasterspress.com  Fri Jan 18 13:09:53 2008
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:10:50 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] B & W Clicks
In-Reply-To: <FE123CE9502C4D4195376BD2D00A89738BD1A9@phmail.printhouse.com>
References: <018a01c859ea$1bc82520$6a1da8c0@BIGdell><095601c859f4$a678b540$6900a8c0@DANIEL><8CA280F337130C0-B60-2F01@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>
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Paul who is that renewal from.  A national contract or local vendor.
ch

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Paul Doucette
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 11:52 AM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] B & W Clicks

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We just received a renewal contract for our cannon 105 & 9070. The click
charges are up over 60%. We were at .00409 and the renewal is .0063. Any
feedback on click charges would be appreciated. We guarantee them
250,000 combined for both machines.
Thanks,
Paul

Paul T. Doucette
President
The Print House
200 Maplewood Street
Malden, MA  02148
Tel:  (781) 324-4455
Fax: (781) 324-2777
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From char at themasterspress.com  Fri Jan 18 13:13:22 2008
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:14:10 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.
In-Reply-To: <019c01c859f4$68519b10$6a1da8c0@BIGdell>
References: <8CA280AD5CA7854-B60-2C96@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>
	<019c01c859f4$68519b10$6a1da8c0@BIGdell>
Message-ID: <008001c859fd$db4fb0d0$0b01a8c0@CharXP>

I got a price the other day (not a quote, an approx) from Danka for the 9110
for about $100,000.  
JJ Bender has been around for years.  They send ads out on Larry Hunts
newsletters so I would bet he would have some good info on them.  I have
never heard anything bad about them.  That is unusual.
ch

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Gass
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 11:06 AM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Tommy

Comparing what you are paying with JJ to Xerox.

Why did you use JJ?

Advantage or disadvantage?

Thanks, 
Steve Gass

Heritage Printing & Mailing
240-298-0102


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Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 12:01 PM
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I;m in process now purchasing a Xerox 250 w/creo server with JJ bender

Tommy


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Gass <segass@heritageprinting.com>
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
<printowners@printweb.org>
Cc: PrePress@HeritagePrinting.com; joegass@heritageprinting.com
Sent: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:52 am
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.



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Hello again,



Has anybody used this company?

JJ Bender LLC / Graphic Savings Group LLC
457 Castle Ave., Fairfield, CT  06825
office: 203-336-4034   fax: 203-549-0812
rosemariep@jjbender.com
Visit our website at www.jjbender.com and www.graphicsavings.com

If so, what was the experience?


Xerox 4110 $21,000.00 available

Xerox 9110 with Paper Supply Module and High
Capacity Stacker       $35,000.00



Thanks, 
Steve Gass

Heritage Printing & Mailing
Leonardtown, Maryland 
prepress@heritageprinting.com
240-298-0102


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[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bill Huntley
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 8:35 AM
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Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another
Digital Copier.

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For the last 5 years I've been buying low volume off-lease copiers for less
than a tenth of the retail price. These copiers still have 90% of their life
left. Sometimes I have them shipped, but usually I go pick them up. Ebay is
where I usually look. I use a local  dealer for service - time and materials
only.
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Universal Copies
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From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com  Fri Jan 18 13:14:50 2008
From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt Harkins)
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:15:23 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] source for fast custom check printing
In-Reply-To: <000001c859fc$e2311fc0$660000c8@LeslieXP>
Message-ID: <C3B648BA.1DB24%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>

On 1/18/08 12:06 PM, "Goodway Print and Copy" <goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com>
wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I have sent a job to ennis custom but they will not rush it- 1000 3 part
> laser sets of three different  8.5x11 checks. The customer's pay check
> company went out of business and they are frantic.  Any Suggestions.?

Try Delforms (part of Deluxe). They are good to work with and will rush an
order for extra money (of course).

800-328-7889

-- 
Cyndy Wendt Harkins
President
Pioneer Printing, Inc.
3133 S. 7th., Suite D
Lincoln, Nebraska 68502
cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com

402.483.7575



From peter at keystonepress.com  Fri Jan 18 13:16:25 2008
From: peter at keystonepress.com (Peter Church)
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:18:28 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Getting into Digital printing
Message-ID: <005801c859fe$3ee1f4a0$7d01a8c0@key.local>

My shop employes 15 people and we do a little over $2 million a year. Our
workhorse press is a 20 year old Komori Lithrone 20 x 26 four color. We also
have 20 x 25 two color Lithrone, Heidelberg DI, Heidelberg Printmaster 46-2,
Hamada 2 color duplicator, Die cutting capabiities and full bindery.
 
We have NO copiers or digital print experience. 
 
I am thinking of getting into digital color printing so we can attract new
customers and offer more the the existing ones. Since it will have variable
data printing, it will also get us into mailing services.
 
I am going to be educating myself by attending the seminars at the upcoming
Print On Demand Expo in Boston the beginning of March. 
 
I am talking to IKON, who seems to have good service locally. They are
talking about the Canon ImagePRESS C7000VP, which is a 70 page per minute,
13 x 19 inch size production machine. With all the bells and whistles,
$250,000. The quality of the finished piece is very impressive.
 
He is also talking aobut a Konica Minolta which they relabel as the IKON CPP
650, which is 65 pages per minute. The quality of the piece is not quite as
good.
 
Do you have any suggestions for me as I take this big leap of faith into the
future of printing?
 
Do you know anythng about these machines?
 
Anything else I should be doing to educate myself about the new venture?
Mostly I am concerened about marketing this new capability. I want to deal
business to business; we are not set up to do walk-ins.
 
Have any of you recently taken this leap from offset to Digital?
 
Thanks,
 
Peter Church
Keystone Press, LLC
9 Old Falls Road
Manchester, NH 03103
phone: 603-622-5222
fax: 603-622-9432
 
 
From zapit at zapcolor.com  Fri Jan 18 13:18:41 2008
From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez)
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:19:12 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Economic Reality & Sense of Urgency
In-Reply-To: <20080118170004.0C098D7FA01@rb.enter.net>
References: <20080118170004.0C098D7FA01@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <79C46F50-FB2D-45F6-A6BD-D8F012B42314@zapcolor.com>

I don't know if you can say I am privledged or get to know too much  
lately, but for a number of reasons I have been in meetings both with  
the CA Governor's office and talks directly to the White House.

Yesterday a local economist who reported a job growth of 45,000 jobs  
in the INland Empire (Riverside/San Bernardino Counties) received  
Federal confirmation of an error in reporting, and we were actually  
DOWN by a few hundred jobs in the 3rd Qtr of 2007. That bodes very  
poorly for the 4th Qtr not to mention anything further.

We have been pretty hard hit in this area since we have more than our  
share of newer homes, hence bad loans. That fact gained me entrance to  
a very small meeting with the Governor, with me as Mayor of Corona.
The numbers just now being released are closer to reality, and it is  
NOT good, that is why Washington is scrambling. The good part for us  
is the fact they do seem to remember small businesses do exist!

If I hear anything else we could benefit from, I will let the list know.

Day to day operations, obviously we must all keep a positive attitude  
BUT keep aware of your local economy and be ready to adjust people/ 
expenses QUICKLY and operate with John Stewart's SENSE OF URGENCY.

You can not be complacent, if sales are slow, market and market like  
you mean it. Last week we started door-to-door marketing in some new  
areas we have not hit before, since we moved 2 years ago, we were used  
to marketing the same areas. Now we have had new customers coming in  
and Paula has had multiple appointments with new clients.

BUT ACT FAST.

>

Eugene Montanez
ZAP Printing & Graphics
127 Radio Rd
Corona, CA 92879
951-734-8181

Zapit@zapcolor.com




From char at themasterspress.com  Fri Jan 18 13:29:14 2008
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:30:11 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] source for fast custom check printing
In-Reply-To: <000001c859fc$e2311fc0$660000c8@LeslieXP>
References: <000001c859fc$e2311fc0$660000c8@LeslieXP>
Message-ID: <008601c85a00$1f9be770$0b01a8c0@CharXP>

We use Harland  1-800-471-5050.  Have gotten us out of jams before but can't
give you exact days of service.
ch

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Goodway Print and
Copy
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 12:07 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: [PrintOwners] source for fast custom check printing

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Hi!

I have sent a job to ennis custom but they will not rush it- 1000 3 part
laser sets of three different  8.5x11 checks. The customer's pay check
company went out of business and they are frantic.  Any Suggestions.?

Leslie McDonald
GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC.
15121 Ventura Blvd.
Sherman Oaks, CA 91403
Phone:(818) 783-5172
Fax:(818)783-8649
goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com
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From sos at olympus.net  Fri Jan 18 13:34:36 2008
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:35:05 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.
References: <018a01c859ea$1bc82520$6a1da8c0@BIGdell><095601c859f4$a678b540$6900a8c0@DANIEL>
	<8CA280F337130C0-B60-2F01@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <096d01c85a00$c72f12f0$6900a8c0@DANIEL>

> Never heard of 4110 til this forum brought it up.? You have a price of 
> $21,000 hmmm It's faster than the 250 yet 250 cost more.? Anyone esle have 
> a 4110 that can advise me on it's capabilities, especially woth 12 pt 
> coated,
====================

The X 4110, now 4112, is a Black only copier.  Runs at 110 copies per 
minute.  Uses the new EA toner much like a color copier, beautiful quality. 
We've run 80 lb uncoated cover through it.  But I don't think we've ever run 
12 pt coated, like Kromekote through it.

New it's about $40,000.  depending on finishing options, etc.   We use the 
three hole punch alot, it works great. We do not have the folder, booklet 
maker finisher.  We run that offline on our Duplo, MBO.

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860 


From jim at visaliaidea.com  Fri Jan 18 13:36:42 2008
From: jim at visaliaidea.com (James Laber)
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:37:00 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Internet Scam ???
In-Reply-To: <20080118180916.75E02D7FFCF@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <019201c85a01$121544b0$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local>

Just received a call from (411businessdirect.com) and they said they were
calling to confirm billing on a 2 year contract that we supposedly signed up
for a year ago. Anyone ever heard of these guys. I do not remember ever
signing up for any such service. They after supposedly hosting us for a year
now want to be paid for two years.

Jim Laber
Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc
1921 E Main St
Visalia CA 93292
559-733-4149 X118
Fax: 559-636-3690
jim@visaliaidea.com
http://www.visaliaidea.com/
Member Of: Visalia Chamber of Commerce
Tulare Chamber of Commerce
Exeter Chamber of Commerce
NAQP-National Association of Quick Printers 
ASI-Advertising Specialty Institute




From PDoucette at PRINTHOUSE.com  Fri Jan 18 13:58:03 2008
From: PDoucette at PRINTHOUSE.com (Paul Doucette)
Date: Fri Jan 18 13:58:31 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] B & W Clicks
In-Reply-To: <007f01c859fd$649ae590$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
References: <018a01c859ea$1bc82520$6a1da8c0@BIGdell><095601c859f4$a678b540$6900a8c0@DANIEL><8CA280F337130C0-B60-2F01@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com><FE123CE9502C4D4195376BD2D00A89738BD1A9@phmail.printhouse.com>
	<007f01c859fd$649ae590$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
Message-ID: <FE123CE9502C4D4195376BD2D00A89738BD1AE@phmail.printhouse.com>

Local 

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:10 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] B & W Clicks

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Paul who is that renewal from.  A national contract or local vendor.
ch

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Paul Doucette
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 11:52 AM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] B & W Clicks

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

We just received a renewal contract for our cannon 105 & 9070. The click
charges are up over 60%. We were at .00409 and the renewal is .0063. Any
feedback on click charges would be appreciated. We guarantee them
250,000 combined for both machines.
Thanks,
Paul

Paul T. Doucette
President
The Print House
200 Maplewood Street
Malden, MA  02148
Tel:  (781) 324-4455
Fax: (781) 324-2777
pdoucette@printhouse.com
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From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Fri Jan 18 14:06:45 2008
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Fri Jan 18 14:07:18 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Getting into Digital printing
In-Reply-To: <005801c859fe$3ee1f4a0$7d01a8c0@key.local>
References: <005801c859fe$3ee1f4a0$7d01a8c0@key.local>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0801181106i5dc6c2bfr9a9a927335345842@mail.gmail.com>

On Jan 18, 2008 1:16 PM, Peter Church <peter@keystonepress.com> wrote:
>
> Do you have any suggestions for me as I take this big leap of faith into the
> future of printing?
>
> Do you know anythng about these machines?
>
> Anything else I should be doing to educate myself about the new venture?



The answer in a nutshell is that it is not a leap of faith at all.
Most people on this list, I would guess, would be more impressed and
amazed that you continue to do as well as you do without any digital
capability.

If you follow this list regularly, the education you're looking for in
terms of the viability and capabilities of the referenced equipment
has been well documented. If you have not, a good place to start would
be to go to the archives of the "other list," do a search, and start
reading. And of course, On Demand will be well worth your while.

But I repeat -- this is NOT a leap of faith!


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com
====================================
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criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
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From dominick at fmtc.com  Fri Jan 18 14:13:01 2008
From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing)
Date: Fri Jan 18 14:13:43 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Pressroom Supplies
Message-ID: <4790FA3D.4010802@fmtc.com>

I need a west coast supplier, as ours has closed, for pressroom chemicals.

Google gives me some, but all their e-mails bounce.

Have used Valley Litho, back east, but shipping is horrible, to be polite.

Thanks

Joe Dominick

Dominick's Quality Printing
542 W. Idaho Avenue
Ontario Oregon 97914
541.881.1121
Fax 541.881.1599

www.dominicksprinting.com
dominick@fmtc.com

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From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Fri Jan 18 14:25:19 2008
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan 18 14:25:50 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Economic Reality & Sense of Urgency
Message-ID: <cf4.1e7dd614.34c2571f@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 1/18/2008 1:24:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
zapit@zapcolor.com writes:

Day to  day operations, obviously we must all keep a positive attitude  
BUT  keep aware of your local economy and be ready to adjust people/ 
expenses  QUICKLY and operate with John Stewart's SENSE OF  URGENCY


Here's a candid admission.... I too, on many occasions, have lost  that sense 
of urgency that I used to preach about with such belief and fervor.  My days 
are very unstructured. I don't have to deal with customers or quotes or  just 
about anything else I don't like. I just write and crunch numbers.  
Nonetheless, I know that I accomplish so much more, both for short term and long  term 
benefits, when I start a day with a sense or urgency about what I need to  
accomplish that day or week.
 
I get caught up and so angry at times, especially at all the politicians,  
that I find myself getting distracted. Then I realize there isn't anything any  
of these incompetents can do for me that I can't do better for myself, with or 
 without their help. Between all of the candidates, I honest to God don't 
think  even if you combine the best of all of them you would find anything  
significant in their real life experiences that would possibly relate to running  
small businesses. 
 
John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)   

by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 

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West Melbourne, FL 32904
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From sos at olympus.net  Fri Jan 18 14:26:42 2008
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Fri Jan 18 14:27:20 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Pressroom Supplies
References: <4790FA3D.4010802@fmtc.com>
Message-ID: <0a0201c85a08$0e2a23a0$6900a8c0@DANIEL>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dominick's Printing" <dominick@fmtc.com>
> I need a west coast supplier, as ours has closed, for pressroom chemicals.
====================

We get most supplies from Great Western Ink, offices in Portland and 
Seattle.  Portland is 1-800-735-3381
They carry Varn, Anchor, Lithco, etc.  Also Mitsubishi Digiplate.
Good luck.

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860 


From slb at inkspot.net  Fri Jan 18 14:29:09 2008
From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman)
Date: Fri Jan 18 14:30:13 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Internet Scam ???
In-Reply-To: <019201c85a01$121544b0$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local>
References: <20080118180916.75E02D7FFCF@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <4790B7B5.1874.18910F3C@slb.inkspot.net>

I'd start by asking them to send you a copy of the contract you 
"signed."

Steve

> 
> Just received a call from (411businessdirect.com) and they said they were
> calling to confirm billing on a 2 year contract that we supposedly signed up
> for a year ago. Anyone ever heard of these guys. I do not remember ever
> signing up for any such service. They after supposedly hosting us for a year
> now want to be paid for two years.
> 
> Jim Laber
> Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc
> 1921 E Main St
> Visalia CA 93292
> 559-733-4149 X118
> Fax: 559-636-3690
> jim@visaliaidea.com
> http://www.visaliaidea.com/
> Member Of: Visalia Chamber of Commerce
> Tulare Chamber of Commerce
> Exeter Chamber of Commerce
> NAQP-National Association of Quick Printers 
> ASI-Advertising Specialty Institute
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From smc at sorrentomesa.com  Fri Jan 18 15:19:49 2008
From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel)
Date: Fri Jan 18 15:24:35 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Getting into Digital printing
In-Reply-To: <005801c859fe$3ee1f4a0$7d01a8c0@key.local>
References: <005801c859fe$3ee1f4a0$7d01a8c0@key.local>
Message-ID: <200801182024.m0IKO4ar075503@i2bnetworks.com>


I started doing digital in house about 2 years ago, The previous 18 
years we were all offset except when we opened. The first few years 
we messed around with some B/W copying and realized we could make way 
more money in offset so we dumped the copiers. 3 years ago, being 
late to the game, I began to broker digital color to build up a 
reasonable sales volume before I bought any equipment to bring in 
house. I now have a KM 6500 that is extremely busy, and a KM 500 
which is as of late not, but that will probably change soon as volume 
continues to build.

Here are some interesting stats:

Year 2007 over 2006 Offset: Sales up 31%

Year 2007 over 2006 Digital: Sales up 64%

This is a trend that is echoed in just about every white paper I have 
read on the current state of the industry.

Digital sales are growing rapidly, while Offset sales are growing 
less, and for some are actually in decline.

And I have found the margins on digital sales (for me) are much 
higher than offset.

My belief is the Canon is way overpriced for what it delivers, start 
with the CPP 650 with a CREO to get in the game and get your feet 
wet, and then when you're running the wheels off, think about more capacity...

So Peter, get on it man...

And like Michael said, read the archives...

S.








At 10:16 AM 1/18/2008, you wrote:
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>My shop employes 15 people and we do a little over $2 million a year. Our
>workhorse press is a 20 year old Komori Lithrone 20 x 26 four color. We also
>have 20 x 25 two color Lithrone, Heidelberg DI, Heidelberg Printmaster 46-2,
>Hamada 2 color duplicator, Die cutting capabiities and full bindery.
>
>We have NO copiers or digital print experience.
>
>I am thinking of getting into digital color printing so we can attract new
>customers and offer more the the existing ones. Since it will have variable
>data printing, it will also get us into mailing services.
>
>I am going to be educating myself by attending the seminars at the upcoming
>Print On Demand Expo in Boston the beginning of March.
>
>I am talking to IKON, who seems to have good service locally. They are
>talking about the Canon ImagePRESS C7000VP, which is a 70 page per minute,
>13 x 19 inch size production machine. With all the bells and whistles,
>$250,000. The quality of the finished piece is very impressive.
>
>He is also talking aobut a Konica Minolta which they relabel as the IKON CPP
>650, which is 65 pages per minute. The quality of the piece is not quite as
>good.
>
>Do you have any suggestions for me as I take this big leap of faith into the
>future of printing?
>
>Do you know anythng about these machines?
>
>Anything else I should be doing to educate myself about the new venture?
>Mostly I am concerened about marketing this new capability. I want to deal
>business to business; we are not set up to do walk-ins.
>
>Have any of you recently taken this leap from offset to Digital?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Peter Church
>Keystone Press, LLC
>9 Old Falls Road
>Manchester, NH 03103
>phone: 603-622-5222
>fax: 603-622-9432
>
>
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From sos at olympus.net  Fri Jan 18 15:36:21 2008
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Fri Jan 18 15:36:45 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Economic Reality & Sense of Urgency
References: <cf4.1e7dd614.34c2571f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0a1401c85a11$c91e01f0$6900a8c0@DANIEL>

Between all of the candidates, I honest to God don't
> think  even if you combine the best of all of them you would find anything
> significant in their real life experiences that would possibly relate to 
> running
> small businesses.
=======================

Mitt Romney has run a business.  He's the only one with any business 
background as far as I know.  When one of his employees had a lost child, he 
shut down the entire business for a week and had everyone out looking for 
that kid.
I was kind of impressed by that.
John Edwards, just the opposite. He's very proud of his record suing and 
attacking and even destroying businesses.
Obama, nice guy, no experience.
Hillary, lots of experience, but . . .
etc.
I'm not going to worry about it.  They will mostly be eliminated by the time 
Washington State gets to vote anyway.

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860



From bernies at printnetusa.com  Fri Jan 18 15:52:03 2008
From: bernies at printnetusa.com (Bernie Schreiber)
Date: Fri Jan 18 15:52:18 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] PMS 873 Metallic Gold (DM698 to match)  
Message-ID: <20080118205216.7CB58D80BF1@rb.enter.net>

We have been told by a customer that PMS DM 698 (NonMetallic)

.is a substitute for PMS 873 Metallic Gold

 

I cannot locate this PMS.

 

Is anyone familiar with it?

Is it process or spot?

 

I do not have any DM xxx PMS shades.  What are they?

 

Bernie Schreiber

bernies@printnetusa.com

PrintNetUSA, Inc.

7005 Westbelt Drive

Nashville, TN  37209

 

615.385.9100

615.298-4234 - fax


From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Fri Jan 18 15:55:11 2008
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan 18 15:55:49 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Economic Reality & Sense of Urgency
Message-ID: <c14.2d23684f.34c26c2f@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 1/18/2008 3:38:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
sos@olympus.net writes:

Mitt  Romney has run a business.  He's the only one with any business  
background as far as I know.  


Yes, I guess if you include high-end capital investment firms  registered in 
Bermuda and in Cayman Islands in order to shelter income. Now,  that may sound 
like splitting hairs but investing other people's money and using  it to buy 
other businesses wherein often times a new board is seated or takes  control 
and then firing enough people to make a profit for investors is probably  not 
what I had in mind. I'm not picking on him, but it is not like he has picked  
himself up by the bootstraps and actually run companies that produced anything  
tangible..... I'm just in a bad mood. I can find fault with all of these  
bums!
 

John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)   

by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 

2110 S. Dairy  Road
West Melbourne, FL 32904
321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
Cell:  321-794-6259
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
"Winners  analyze, losers rationalize."



**************Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.     
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
From slb at inkspot.net  Fri Jan 18 16:00:57 2008
From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman)
Date: Fri Jan 18 16:05:31 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] PMS 873 Metallic Gold (DM698 to match)
In-Reply-To: <20080118205216.7CB58D80BF1@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <4790CD39.8471.18E51B9A@slb.inkspot.net>

You can't get a metallic out of CMYK, no matter what you do. You 
might get a yellowish color (for a gold) or a grayish color (for a 
silver) that a customer considers acceptable under the circumstances, 
but metallic inks aren't 4-color builds--they're entirely different 
animals.

Steve


> 
> We have been told by a customer that PMS DM 698 (NonMetallic)
> 
> .is a substitute for PMS 873 Metallic Gold
> 
>  
> 
> I cannot locate this PMS.
> 
>  
> 
> Is anyone familiar with it?
> 
> Is it process or spot?
> 
>  
> 
> I do not have any DM xxx PMS shades.  What are they?
> 
>  
> 
> Bernie Schreiber
> 
> bernies@printnetusa.com
> 
> PrintNetUSA, Inc.
> 
> 7005 Westbelt Drive
> 
> Nashville, TN  37209
> 
>  
> 
> 615.385.9100
> 
> 615.298-4234 - fax
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> 
> 
> __________ NOD32 2806 (20080118) Information __________
> 
> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
> http://www.eset.com
> 
> 

Steve Blatman
Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
Tel: 610-647-0776
Fax: 610-647-4560

From bernies at printnetusa.com  Fri Jan 18 16:27:32 2008
From: bernies at printnetusa.com (Bernie Schreiber)
Date: Fri Jan 18 16:27:48 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] PMS 873 Metallic Gold (DM698 to match)
In-Reply-To: <4790CD39.8471.18E51B9A@slb.inkspot.net>
Message-ID: <20080118212747.5B2EFD80EEC@rb.enter.net>

Customer did not say it was metallic, but was acceptable.

My problem is, as stated, that I cannot locate that PMS.

Any suggestions?

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:01 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] PMS 873 Metallic Gold (DM698 to match)

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

You can't get a metallic out of CMYK, no matter what you do. You 
might get a yellowish color (for a gold) or a grayish color (for a 
silver) that a customer considers acceptable under the circumstances, 
but metallic inks aren't 4-color builds--they're entirely different 
animals.

Steve


> 
> We have been told by a customer that PMS DM 698 (NonMetallic)
> 
> .is a substitute for PMS 873 Metallic Gold
> 
>  
> 
> I cannot locate this PMS.
> 
>  
> 
> Is anyone familiar with it?
> 
> Is it process or spot?
> 
>  
> 
> I do not have any DM xxx PMS shades.  What are they?
> 
>  
> 
> Bernie Schreiber
> 
> bernies@printnetusa.com
> 
> PrintNetUSA, Inc.
> 
> 7005 Westbelt Drive
> 
> Nashville, TN  37209
> 
>  
> 
> 615.385.9100
> 
> 615.298-4234 - fax
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> 
> 
> __________ NOD32 2806 (20080118) Information __________
> 
> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
> http://www.eset.com
> 
> 

Steve Blatman
Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
Tel: 610-647-0776
Fax: 610-647-4560

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From slb at inkspot.net  Fri Jan 18 16:31:21 2008
From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman)
Date: Fri Jan 18 16:31:39 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Economic Reality & Sense of Urgency
In-Reply-To: <c14.2d23684f.34c26c2f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4790D459.16198.1900EE62@slb.inkspot.net>

True, Romney is the only one with anything resembling P&L 
responsibility in his background. True, an investment/buyout firm is 
not as "real world" as a retail, manufacturing, or even finiancial 
services company.

That said, at least he knows, somewhere in his past, where all that 
tax money comes from, and, perhaps, the consequences for the economic 
health of our country that stem from taking more or less of it from 
those of us who generate it.

I don't like any of them very much, but I have more trouble with 
those with no understanding of the interaction of economics and human 
motivation (i.e., the socialists) than with those who act with that 
understanding in mind (those who, for example, understand that 
cutting tax rates leads to higher collections). Also, as a Jew, I 
have a hell of a lot more trouble with those who refuse to understand 
the difference between advocating public prayer and practicing public 
beheading.

Happy Ffriday,
Steve




> 
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/18/2008 3:38:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> sos@olympus.net writes:
> 
> Mitt  Romney has run a business.  He's the only one with any business  
> background as far as I know.  
> 
> 
> Yes, I guess if you include high-end capital investment firms  registered in 
> Bermuda and in Cayman Islands in order to shelter income. Now,  that may sound 
> like splitting hairs but investing other people's money and using  it to buy 
> other businesses wherein often times a new board is seated or takes  control 
> and then firing enough people to make a profit for investors is probably  not 
> what I had in mind. I'm not picking on him, but it is not like he has picked  
> himself up by the bootstraps and actually run companies that produced anything  
> tangible..... I'm just in a bad mood. I can find fault with all of these  
> bums!
>  
> 
> John  Stewart
> Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
> Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)   
> 
> by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 
> 
> 2110 S. Dairy  Road
> West Melbourne, FL 32904
> 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
> Cell:  321-794-6259
> _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
> "Winners  analyze, losers rationalize."
> 
> 
> 
> **************Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.     
> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
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> 
> 

Steve Blatman
Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
Tel: 610-647-0776
Fax: 610-647-4560

From slb at inkspot.net  Fri Jan 18 16:37:51 2008
From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman)
Date: Fri Jan 18 16:38:23 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] PMS 873 Metallic Gold (DM698 to match)
In-Reply-To: <20080118212747.5B2EFD80EEC@rb.enter.net>
References: <4790CD39.8471.18E51B9A@slb.inkspot.net>
Message-ID: <4790D5DF.26577.1906E3A0@slb.inkspot.net>

Mea Culpa. I can't find it, either. Is Stu around?

Steve


> 
> Customer did not say it was metallic, but was acceptable.
> 
> My problem is, as stated, that I cannot locate that PMS.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:01 PM
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] PMS 873 Metallic Gold (DM698 to match)
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> You can't get a metallic out of CMYK, no matter what you do. You 
> might get a yellowish color (for a gold) or a grayish color (for a 
> silver) that a customer considers acceptable under the circumstances, 
> but metallic inks aren't 4-color builds--they're entirely different 
> animals.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> > 
> > We have been told by a customer that PMS DM 698 (NonMetallic)
> > 
> > .is a substitute for PMS 873 Metallic Gold
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I cannot locate this PMS.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Is anyone familiar with it?
> > 
> > Is it process or spot?
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I do not have any DM xxx PMS shades.  What are they?
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Bernie Schreiber
> > 
> > bernies@printnetusa.com
> > 
> > PrintNetUSA, Inc.
> > 
> > 7005 Westbelt Drive
> > 
> > Nashville, TN  37209
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 615.385.9100
> > 
> > 615.298-4234 - fax
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > PrintOwners Discussion List
> > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
> > http://www.eset.com
> > 
> > 
> 
> Steve Blatman
> Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
> 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
> Tel: 610-647-0776
> Fax: 610-647-4560
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
Tel: 610-647-0776
Fax: 610-647-4560

From gamble at choiceonemail.com  Fri Jan 18 16:56:05 2008
From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird)
Date: Fri Jan 18 16:56:35 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] PMS 873 Metallic Gold (DM698 to match)
In-Reply-To: <4790D5DF.26577.1906E3A0@slb.inkspot.net>
References: <4790CD39.8471.18E51B9A@slb.inkspot.net>
	<4790D5DF.26577.1906E3A0@slb.inkspot.net>
Message-ID: <047601c85a1c$eca883b0$0301a8c0@RICK>

My PMS has an 873 Gold in the metallic section.  As stated there is no CMYK
build for this color.  I also stock 871, 973, 875, 875 and the silver for
running.

Hope this helps

Rick Bird
Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc.
3649 California Road
Orchard Park, NY 14127
(716) 662-1515
(716) 662-5917 - Fax
gamble@choiceonemail.com - email


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 4:38 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] PMS 873 Metallic Gold (DM698 to match)

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Mea Culpa. I can't find it, either. Is Stu around?

Steve


> 
> Customer did not say it was metallic, but was acceptable.
> 
> My problem is, as stated, that I cannot locate that PMS.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:01 PM
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] PMS 873 Metallic Gold (DM698 to match)
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> You can't get a metallic out of CMYK, no matter what you do. You 
> might get a yellowish color (for a gold) or a grayish color (for a 
> silver) that a customer considers acceptable under the circumstances, 
> but metallic inks aren't 4-color builds--they're entirely different 
> animals.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> > 
> > We have been told by a customer that PMS DM 698 (NonMetallic)
> > 
> > .is a substitute for PMS 873 Metallic Gold
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I cannot locate this PMS.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Is anyone familiar with it?
> > 
> > Is it process or spot?
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I do not have any DM xxx PMS shades.  What are they?
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Bernie Schreiber
> > 
> > bernies@printnetusa.com
> > 
> > PrintNetUSA, Inc.
> > 
> > 7005 Westbelt Drive
> > 
> > Nashville, TN  37209
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 615.385.9100
> > 
> > 615.298-4234 - fax
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > PrintOwners Discussion List
> > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> > 
> > 
> > __________ NOD32 2806 (20080118) Information __________
> > 
> > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
> > http://www.eset.com
> > 
> > 
> 
> Steve Blatman
> Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
> 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
> Tel: 610-647-0776
> Fax: 610-647-4560
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
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From dgtday at aol.com  Fri Jan 18 16:59:44 2008
From: dgtday at aol.com (dgtday@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan 18 17:00:11 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] source for fast custom check printing
In-Reply-To: <000001c859fc$e2311fc0$660000c8@LeslieXP>
References: <000001c859fc$e2311fc0$660000c8@LeslieXP>
Message-ID: <8CA283491B90D31-10F0-69D2@webmail-mf08.sysops.aol.com>

Leslie, contact Joe at Superior Press. (714) 623-4717 (that's his cell) Tell him I sent you.

David Youngs
DGT
ORange, CA


-----Original Message-----
From: Goodway Print and Copy <goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com>
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:06 am
Subject: [PrintOwners] source for fast custom check printing



***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Hi!

I have sent a job to ennis custom but they will not rush it- 1000 3 part
laser sets of three different  8.5x11 checks. The customer's pay check
company went out of business and they are frantic.  Any Suggestions.?

Leslie McDonald
GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC.
15121 Ventura Blvd.
Sherman Oaks, CA 91403
Phone:(818) 783-5172
Fax:(818)783-8649
goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com
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From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Fri Jan 18 17:14:40 2008
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan 18 17:15:04 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] PMS 873 Metallic Gold (DM698 to match)
Message-ID: <c28.28830d18.34c27ed0@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 1/18/2008 4:38:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
slb@inkspot.net writes:

Mea  Culpa. I can't find it, either. Is Stu around?



>From what I understand, Stu has purchased a distributorship for  Bodymagic, 
Inc. Chip Implant Services and is doing quite well. 
 

John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)   

by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 

2110 S. Dairy  Road
West Melbourne, FL 32904
321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
Cell:  321-794-6259
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
"Winners  analyze, losers rationalize."



**************Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.     
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com  Fri Jan 18 17:20:36 2008
From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau)
Date: Fri Jan 18 17:15:20 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] B & W Clicks
References: <018a01c859ea$1bc82520$6a1da8c0@BIGdell><095601c859f4$a678b540$6900a8c0@DANIEL><8CA280F337130C0-B60-2F01@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>
	<FE123CE9502C4D4195376BD2D00A89738BD1A9@phmail.printhouse.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c85a20$5aca2670$042967d3@kp4>

I am currently at $.0034 with a 100,000 minimum on my 105.

Linda
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Doucette" <PDoucette@PRINTHOUSE.com>
To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only"
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 11:52 AM
Subject: [PrintOwners] B & W Clicks


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

We just received a renewal contract for our cannon 105 & 9070. The click
charges are up over 60%. We were at .00409 and the renewal is .0063. Any
feedback on click charges would be appreciated. We guarantee them
250,000 combined for both machines.
Thanks,
Paul

Paul T. Doucette
President
The Print House
200 Maplewood Street
Malden, MA  02148
Tel:  (781) 324-4455
Fax: (781) 324-2777
pdoucette@printhouse.com
www.printhouse.com

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From zapit at zapcolor.com  Fri Jan 18 17:27:52 2008
From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez)
Date: Fri Jan 18 17:28:13 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] LOW Cost UV Coater in place
In-Reply-To: <20080118215638.8E8D1D8110A@rb.enter.net>
References: <20080118215638.8E8D1D8110A@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <910C3822-2FF0-4012-A394-1079B71AF5F1@zapcolor.com>

I talked about the UV Coater I imported from China.
Well it is installed here in our shop and has produced some pretty  
cool work so far.
It is small, will coat 25" wide and is going to knock your socks off  
when I give you the pricing.

I am going to do a video this weekend and post it along with the  
photos of the unit.

The pricing will be very good for a couple of months, I am trying to  
get exclusive rights for the US, but if I don't, this next month or 2  
may be the only chance I will have to offer this at a wholesale price.  
Next will be getting a few dealers, or someone may knock me out and  
only sell retail here in the US.

I have a few people who have expressed an interest, but if you have  
not sent me an email off list, please do so now and I will get back to  
you over the weekend.

Thanks


>

Eugene Montanez
ZAP Printing & Graphics
127 Radio Rd
Corona, CA 92879
951-734-8181

Zapit@zapcolor.com




From sos at olympus.net  Fri Jan 18 17:36:58 2008
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Fri Jan 18 17:37:27 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] PMS 873 Metallic Gold (DM698 to match)
References: <4790CD39.8471.18E51B9A@slb.inkspot.net><4790D5DF.26577.1906E3A0@slb.inkspot.net>
	<047601c85a1c$eca883b0$0301a8c0@RICK>
Message-ID: <0a7501c85a22$a2e42df0$6900a8c0@DANIEL>

> My PMS has an 873 Gold in the metallic section.  As stated there is no 
> CMYK
> build for this color.  I also stock 871, 973, 875, 875 and the silver for
> running.
====================

I have no idea what DM is but 873 converts to 30  30  60  10 CMYK, according 
to the Pantone libraries in InDesign.
IF you want a spot color, just look through the fan and find what appears to 
be closest.
Or call the customer and ask them what the heck they are talking about. 
Might learn something interesting.  And if you do, share it with us.

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860 


From jgross at techiowa.com  Fri Jan 18 18:01:25 2008
From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross)
Date: Fri Jan 18 18:02:13 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Economic Reality & Sense of Urgency( off)
In-Reply-To: <4790D459.16198.1900EE62@slb.inkspot.net>
Message-ID: <003001c85a26$0da826c0$6900000a@tech.local>

Iowa spoke pretty clearly, at least as far as the dem's are concerned,
Huckabee concerns me though, when the Lord is telling him what to do.  Bush
seems to get orders sometimes the same way.

John A. Gross
Technigraphics, Inc
Iowa City, Iowa 52240
  techiowa.com


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:31 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Economic Reality & Sense of Urgency

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

True, Romney is the only one with anything resembling P&L 
responsibility in his background. True, an investment/buyout firm is 
not as "real world" as a retail, manufacturing, or even finiancial 
services company.

That said, at least he knows, somewhere in his past, where all that 
tax money comes from, and, perhaps, the consequences for the economic 
health of our country that stem from taking more or less of it from 
those of us who generate it.

I don't like any of them very much, but I have more trouble with 
those with no understanding of the interaction of economics and human 
motivation (i.e., the socialists) than with those who act with that 
understanding in mind (those who, for example, understand that 
cutting tax rates leads to higher collections). Also, as a Jew, I 
have a hell of a lot more trouble with those who refuse to understand 
the difference between advocating public prayer and practicing public 
beheading.

Happy Ffriday,
Steve




> 
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/18/2008 3:38:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> sos@olympus.net writes:
> 
> Mitt  Romney has run a business.  He's the only one with any business  
> background as far as I know.  
> 
> 
> Yes, I guess if you include high-end capital investment firms  registered
in 
> Bermuda and in Cayman Islands in order to shelter income. Now,  that may
sound 
> like splitting hairs but investing other people's money and using  it to
buy 
> other businesses wherein often times a new board is seated or takes
control 
> and then firing enough people to make a profit for investors is probably
not 
> what I had in mind. I'm not picking on him, but it is not like he has
picked  
> himself up by the bootstraps and actually run companies that produced
anything  
> tangible..... I'm just in a bad mood. I can find fault with all of these  
> bums!
>  
> 
> John  Stewart
> Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
> Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)   
> 
> by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 
> 
> 2110 S. Dairy  Road
> West Melbourne, FL 32904
> 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
> Cell:  321-794-6259
> _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
> "Winners  analyze, losers rationalize."
> 
> 
> 
> **************Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.     
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From robin at protypeonline.com  Fri Jan 18 18:14:24 2008
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Fri Jan 18 18:14:43 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Getting into Digital printing
Message-ID: <237C4954-7C0F-43D8-A3D1-6269C1AEBB44@protypeonline.com>

Peter,
would have to agree with both Michael and Scott -- Charlene and others  
remember that I was skeptical thinking getting bigger, better, faster  
would increase my volume. It must be magic!!! :)   I know it wasn't,  
we got an IKON CPP650 and no longer had to turn away or broker jobs  
because we could not only do it, we could do the jobs quickly and  
OURSELVES! Wish I hadn't waited so long.
:)
robin

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com



From smc at sorrentomesa.com  Fri Jan 18 18:12:36 2008
From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel)
Date: Fri Jan 18 18:17:13 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Economic Reality & Sense of Urgency( off)
In-Reply-To: <003001c85a26$0da826c0$6900000a@tech.local>
References: <4790D459.16198.1900EE62@slb.inkspot.net>
	<003001c85a26$0da826c0$6900000a@tech.local>
Message-ID: <200801182316.m0INGpoE010081@i2bnetworks.com>


Iowa is overrated.

S.




At 03:01 PM 1/18/2008, you wrote:
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>Iowa spoke pretty clearly, at least as far as the dem's are concerned,
>Huckabee concerns me though, when the Lord is telling him what to do.  Bush
>seems to get orders sometimes the same way.
>
>John A. Gross
>Technigraphics, Inc
>Iowa City, Iowa 52240
>   techiowa.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
>[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman
>Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:31 PM
>To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
>Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Economic Reality & Sense of Urgency
>
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>True, Romney is the only one with anything resembling P&L
>responsibility in his background. True, an investment/buyout firm is
>not as "real world" as a retail, manufacturing, or even finiancial
>services company.
>
>That said, at least he knows, somewhere in his past, where all that
>tax money comes from, and, perhaps, the consequences for the economic
>health of our country that stem from taking more or less of it from
>those of us who generate it.
>
>I don't like any of them very much, but I have more trouble with
>those with no understanding of the interaction of economics and human
>motivation (i.e., the socialists) than with those who act with that
>understanding in mind (those who, for example, understand that
>cutting tax rates leads to higher collections). Also, as a Jew, I
>have a hell of a lot more trouble with those who refuse to understand
>the difference between advocating public prayer and practicing public
>beheading.
>
>Happy Ffriday,
>Steve
>
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/18/2008 3:38:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > sos@olympus.net writes:
> >
> > Mitt  Romney has run a business.  He's the only one with any business
> > background as far as I know.
> >
> >
> > Yes, I guess if you include high-end capital investment firms  registered
>in
> > Bermuda and in Cayman Islands in order to shelter income. Now,  that may
>sound
> > like splitting hairs but investing other people's money and using  it to
>buy
> > other businesses wherein often times a new board is seated or takes
>control
> > and then firing enough people to make a profit for investors is probably
>not
> > what I had in mind. I'm not picking on him, but it is not like he has
>picked
> > himself up by the bootstraps and actually run companies that produced
>anything
> > tangible..... I'm just in a bad mood. I can find fault with all of these
> > bums!
> >
> >
> > John  Stewart
> > Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
> > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)
> >
> > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart
> >
> > 2110 S. Dairy  Road
> > West Melbourne, FL 32904
> > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
> > Cell:  321-794-6259
> > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/)
> > "Winners  analyze, losers rationalize."
> >
> >
> >
> > **************Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.
> > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
> > _______________________________________________
> > PrintOwners Discussion List
> > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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> >
> >
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>
>Steve Blatman
>Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
>14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
>Tel: 610-647-0776
>Fax: 610-647-4560
>
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From char at themasterspress.com  Fri Jan 18 18:59:03 2008
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Fri Jan 18 18:59:22 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Getting into Digital printing
In-Reply-To: <005801c859fe$3ee1f4a0$7d01a8c0@key.local>
References: <005801c859fe$3ee1f4a0$7d01a8c0@key.local>
Message-ID: <00df01c85a2e$1ddac090$0b01a8c0@CharXP>

Peter I have never looked back as far as getting into digital.  There is so
much potential it is mind boggling.  This is one of those technologies where
I really believe if you build it, they will come.  And if you sell it you
will be amazed.  There is a whole lot of difference in the Konica 6500 and
the Canon 7000.  The quality is amazing.  But the price difference is also.
A Konica 6500 will give you a great deal of capacity to use to grow into the
digital world with a lot lower risk factor just starting out.  If you put
enough volume on that then you can move into something bigger.  NAQP has
good contract pricing with the 6500 that would be worth you looking at.  It
can save you some big bucks. 
ch

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Peter Church
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 12:16 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: [PrintOwners] Getting into Digital printing

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

My shop employes 15 people and we do a little over $2 million a year. Our
workhorse press is a 20 year old Komori Lithrone 20 x 26 four color. We also
have 20 x 25 two color Lithrone, Heidelberg DI, Heidelberg Printmaster 46-2,
Hamada 2 color duplicator, Die cutting capabiities and full bindery.
 
We have NO copiers or digital print experience. 
 
I am thinking of getting into digital color printing so we can attract new
customers and offer more the the existing ones. Since it will have variable
data printing, it will also get us into mailing services.
 
I am going to be educating myself by attending the seminars at the upcoming
Print On Demand Expo in Boston the beginning of March. 
 
I am talking to IKON, who seems to have good service locally. They are
talking about the Canon ImagePRESS C7000VP, which is a 70 page per minute,
13 x 19 inch size production machine. With all the bells and whistles,
$250,000. The quality of the finished piece is very impressive.
 
He is also talking aobut a Konica Minolta which they relabel as the IKON CPP
650, which is 65 pages per minute. The quality of the piece is not quite as
good.
 
Do you have any suggestions for me as I take this big leap of faith into the
future of printing?
 
Do you know anythng about these machines?
 
Anything else I should be doing to educate myself about the new venture?
Mostly I am concerened about marketing this new capability. I want to deal
business to business; we are not set up to do walk-ins.
 
Have any of you recently taken this leap from offset to Digital?
 
Thanks,
 
Peter Church
Keystone Press, LLC
9 Old Falls Road
Manchester, NH 03103
phone: 603-622-5222
fax: 603-622-9432
 
 
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From dvmonto at optonline.net  Fri Jan 18 21:14:40 2008
From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto)
Date: Fri Jan 18 21:14:53 2008
Subject: A Little Math (was Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding
	another Digital Copier.)
In-Reply-To: <8CA2813EFF3252E-B60-3155@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <C3B6C740.2C9D1%dvmonto@optonline.net>

On 1/18/08 1:06 PM, "copythatnyc@aol.com" <copythatnyc@aol.com> wrote:

> Main reason is the name change & ownership.? I was a silent partner on Village
> Duplicating. 
    
I guess you are new here.

I (we) do not appreciate you using our email addresses harvested from here
to send us spam about your company.

Here are the addresses you sent the spam to:

 emilye@4over.com, sales@ssar.com, ggallo@nypost.com, upload2@4over.com,
 ahill@creativelifestyle.org, jbonachita@im2bzy.com, mrkhalfan@aol.com,
 circulation@digitalimagingmag.com, mlisath@yahoo.com,
 ninglese.nutrametrix@gmail.com, lopez6290@aol.com,
Matt@sugarhouseawning.com,
 kellycrom@gmail.com, lilbxcutie93@aol.com, cconnelly@yahoo.com,
 gtembeck@thetembeckfirm.com, tilerific@earthlink.com,
cmjonesmedia@yahoo.com,
 Nyunfranchise@aol.com, sales@wide-formatimaging.com,
 mailbox@postmasterdirect.com, matteedee315@yahoo.com,
 John@TheBrokersOffice.com, support@onyxgfx.com, lmartinez4@nycboe.net,
 samples@venturaline.com, subscriptions@cygnusb2b.com,
 canontradeshows@captureleads.com, masti_r_2000@yahoo.com,
jim@movingahead.com,
 probbins@cornellrobbins.com, Copythatnyc@aol.com, sales@wearguard.net,
 benho@creativeoutdoor.com, EspositoLina@aol.com, Adnansutkovic@yahoo.com,
 Sal@Metroteamoutfitters.com, Register@DonotCall.gov,
 07.service@regencythermo.com, Frawley121@msn.com, emsigns@aol.com,
 ted@adss.net, bpechin@sacredheartprivate.org, dandrew@datapalette.com,
 secretary@cityislandchamber.org, oasplans@optonline.net,
info@uprinting.com,
 newsletter@godaddy.com, Lamination_Depot_Inc_zzrrgq@cmpgnr.com,
 judith_erazo@hotmail.com, JimG@riversidegroup.com,
oxygencleaning@gmail.com,
 toddmhaley@yahoo.com, mail@banners48.com, Andy@InkIncOnline.com,
 Ksage@icic.org, mahoney.greg@gamil.com, bill@williammaruder.com,
 dvmonto@optonline.net, aurore90@optonline.net, Jaynycnapvi@aol.com,
 ssheers@sheergraphics.com, johnanthony_deltasec@hotmail.co.uk,
 dtrader1@gmail.com, Afcarranza@avaya.com, lbasinait@asicentral.com,
 josh@starcraftpress.com, cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com,
fortunasigns@yahoo.com,
 news@photoimaginganddesign.com, trinity6971@aol.com,
art@adlibadvertising.com,
 info@vinylbannersandsigns.com, support@printersplan.com,
 john@jdassociatesllc.com, frank@harringtontalents.com,
Molly@scratchoff.com,
 deborah.robinson@talenttree.com, mgutloff@yahoo.com, XEROX@greyemail.com,
 clearanceunit@offshorepayment.net, info@portada-online.com,
 help.discountlabels@qualitypark.com, mail@sugarhousebanners.com,
 info@mygraphexpo.com, plandis@ptd.net

If anyone would like to see what he sent I will forward it to you.


-- 
David V. Monto

Sir Speedy Printing
1837 South Road
Wappingers Falls, NY 12590

Phone:845-298-8898
Fax: 845-298-8537
email: dvmonto@optonline.net
-- 
"I think there is a world market for maybe  five computers."
 - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943



From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Fri Jan 18 23:09:13 2008
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Fri Jan 18 23:09:26 2008
Subject: A Little Math (was Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding
	another Digital Copier.)
In-Reply-To: <C3B6C740.2C9D1%dvmonto@optonline.net>
References: <8CA2813EFF3252E-B60-3155@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>
	<C3B6C740.2C9D1%dvmonto@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0801182009w706e69dbr3bbb50758442b3d5@mail.gmail.com>

On Jan 18, 2008 9:14 PM, David Monto <dvmonto@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> I (we) do not appreciate you using our email addresses harvested from here
> to send us spam about your company.
>
> Here are the addresses you sent the spam to:


Same was sent to at least one whole other list -- one even longer than
the one you copied.

The spam is bad enough.
The harvesting of names from the list is much worse.
But the absolute WORST offense is that the spam that went out listed
all of the recipient addresses for anyone else to harvest easily,
instead of BCCing the blast. Personally, I resent that the most.


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com
====================================
Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
                                                     ~Lord Bacon
From acepm2 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 19 06:49:23 2008
From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas)
Date: Sat Jan 19 06:49:29 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Economic Reality & Sense of Urgency( off)
In-Reply-To: <200801182316.m0INGpoE010081@i2bnetworks.com>
References: <4790D459.16198.1900EE62@slb.inkspot.net>
	<003001c85a26$0da826c0$6900000a@tech.local>
	<200801182316.m0INGpoE010081@i2bnetworks.com>
Message-ID: <c2778de30801190349w157d636fq36e983268d41f3ec@mail.gmail.com>

I second that Scott!

Amazing how some folks seem to think they set the pace for the rest of
the country.

I wonder how they get their "head" out of their collective arses when
the rest of us "po' fok'" cast our little old vote?

Thom Gulyas
ACE Printing & Mailing
www.acepm.com



On Jan 18, 2008 6:12 PM, Scott Cappel <smc@sorrentomesa.com> wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>
> Iowa is overrated.
>
> S.
>
>
>
>
>
> At 03:01 PM 1/18/2008, you wrote:
> >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> >
> >Iowa spoke pretty clearly, at least as far as the dem's are concerned,
> >Huckabee concerns me though, when the Lord is telling him what to do.  Bush
> >seems to get orders sometimes the same way.
> >
> >John A. Gross
> >Technigraphics, Inc
> >Iowa City, Iowa 52240
> >   techiowa.com
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman
> >Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:31 PM
> >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> >Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Economic Reality & Sense of Urgency
> >
> >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> >
> >True, Romney is the only one with anything resembling P&L
> >responsibility in his background. True, an investment/buyout firm is
> >not as "real world" as a retail, manufacturing, or even finiancial
> >services company.
> >
> >That said, at least he knows, somewhere in his past, where all that
> >tax money comes from, and, perhaps, the consequences for the economic
> >health of our country that stem from taking more or less of it from
> >those of us who generate it.
> >
> >I don't like any of them very much, but I have more trouble with
> >those with no understanding of the interaction of economics and human
> >motivation (i.e., the socialists) than with those who act with that
> >understanding in mind (those who, for example, understand that
> >cutting tax rates leads to higher collections). Also, as a Jew, I
> >have a hell of a lot more trouble with those who refuse to understand
> >the difference between advocating public prayer and practicing public
> >beheading.
> >
> >Happy Ffriday,
> >Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 1/18/2008 3:38:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > sos@olympus.net writes:
> > >
> > > Mitt  Romney has run a business.  He's the only one with any business
> > > background as far as I know.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, I guess if you include high-end capital investment firms  registered
> >in
> > > Bermuda and in Cayman Islands in order to shelter income. Now,  that may
> >sound
> > > like splitting hairs but investing other people's money and using  it to
> >buy
> > > other businesses wherein often times a new board is seated or takes
> >control
> > > and then firing enough people to make a profit for investors is probably
> >not
> > > what I had in mind. I'm not picking on him, but it is not like he has
> >picked
> > > himself up by the bootstraps and actually run companies that produced
> >anything
> > > tangible..... I'm just in a bad mood. I can find fault with all of these
> > > bums!
> > >
> > >
> > > John  Stewart
> > > Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
> > > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)
> > >
> > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart
> > >
> > > 2110 S. Dairy  Road
> > > West Melbourne, FL 32904
> > > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
> > > Cell:  321-794-6259
> > > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/)
> > > "Winners  analyze, losers rationalize."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > **************Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.
> > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > PrintOwners Discussion List
> > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> > >
> > >
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> > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
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> > >
> >
> >Steve Blatman
> >Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
> >14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
> >Tel: 610-647-0776
> >Fax: 610-647-4560
> >
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> _____________________________________________
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> Scott Cappel
>
> Sorrento Mesa Printing
> 7398 Trade Street
> San Diego, CA 92121-2422
> 858-527-0800
> 858-527-1740 FAX
> http://www.sorrentomesa.com
>
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>
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>
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From michael at sirspeedy7099.com  Sat Jan 19 09:25:07 2008
From: michael at sirspeedy7099.com (michael@sirspeedy7099.com)
Date: Sat Jan 19 09:25:22 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] PMS 873 Metallic Gold (DM698 to match)  
Message-ID: <W5262522887170101200752707@webmail37>

Contact Pantone, Inc. direct and ask them 877-265-6764 or www.panotne.com.

Michael Brown
Sir Speedy Printing Center 
443 West Chester Pike
Havertown PA 19083-4595
(610) 789-2685 Fax (610) 789-2695
michael@sirspeedy7099.com
www.sirspeedy7099.com


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bernie Schreiber [mailto:bernies@printnetusa.com]
>Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 03:52 PM
>To: 'PrintOwners List'
>Subject: [PrintOwners] PMS 873 Metallic Gold (DM698 to match)  
>
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>We have been told by a customer that PMS DM 698 (NonMetallic)
>
>.is a substitute for PMS 873 Metallic Gold
>
> 
>
>I cannot locate this PMS.
>
> 
>
>Is anyone familiar with it?
>
>Is it process or spot?
>
> 
>
>I do not have any DM xxx PMS shades.  What are they?
>
> 
>
>Bernie Schreiber
>
>bernies@printnetusa.com
>
>PrintNetUSA, Inc.
>
>7005 Westbelt Drive
>
>Nashville, TN  37209
>
> 
>
>615.385.9100
>
>615.298-4234 - fax
>
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From jgross at techiowa.com  Sat Jan 19 11:44:32 2008
From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross)
Date: Sat Jan 19 11:44:42 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Economic Reality & Sense of Urgency( off)
References: <4790D459.16198.1900EE62@slb.inkspot.net><003001c85a26$0da826c0$6900000a@tech.local><200801182316.m0INGpoE010081@i2bnetworks.com>
	<c2778de30801190349w157d636fq36e983268d41f3ec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000701c85aba$91e37900$0201a8c0@JGrossLaptop>

We'll just have to wait and see won't we.  Somebody has to be first and lots 
of people think that Iowa is as good as a place as any.

John Gross
Technigraphics Inc.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thom Gulyas" <acepm2@gmail.com>
To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:49 AM
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Economic Reality & Sense of Urgency( off)


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I second that Scott!
>
> Amazing how some folks seem to think they set the pace for the rest of
> the country.
>
> I wonder how they get their "head" out of their collective arses when
> the rest of us "po' fok'" cast our little old vote?
>
> Thom Gulyas
> ACE Printing & Mailing
> www.acepm.com
>
>
>
> On Jan 18, 2008 6:12 PM, Scott Cappel <smc@sorrentomesa.com> wrote:
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>>
>> Iowa is overrated.
>>
>> S.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 03:01 PM 1/18/2008, you wrote:
>> >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>> >
>> >Iowa spoke pretty clearly, at least as far as the dem's are concerned,
>> >Huckabee concerns me though, when the Lord is telling him what to do. 
>> >Bush
>> >seems to get orders sometimes the same way.
>> >
>> >John A. Gross
>> >Technigraphics, Inc
>> >Iowa City, Iowa 52240
>> >   techiowa.com
>> >
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
>> >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman
>> >Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:31 PM
>> >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
>> >Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Economic Reality & Sense of Urgency
>> >
>> >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>> >
>> >True, Romney is the only one with anything resembling P&L
>> >responsibility in his background. True, an investment/buyout firm is
>> >not as "real world" as a retail, manufacturing, or even finiancial
>> >services company.
>> >
>> >That said, at least he knows, somewhere in his past, where all that
>> >tax money comes from, and, perhaps, the consequences for the economic
>> >health of our country that stem from taking more or less of it from
>> >those of us who generate it.
>> >
>> >I don't like any of them very much, but I have more trouble with
>> >those with no understanding of the interaction of economics and human
>> >motivation (i.e., the socialists) than with those who act with that
>> >understanding in mind (those who, for example, understand that
>> >cutting tax rates leads to higher collections). Also, as a Jew, I
>> >have a hell of a lot more trouble with those who refuse to understand
>> >the difference between advocating public prayer and practicing public
>> >beheading.
>> >
>> >Happy Ffriday,
>> >Steve
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > In a message dated 1/18/2008 3:38:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> > > sos@olympus.net writes:
>> > >
>> > > Mitt  Romney has run a business.  He's the only one with any business
>> > > background as far as I know.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Yes, I guess if you include high-end capital investment firms 
>> > > registered
>> >in
>> > > Bermuda and in Cayman Islands in order to shelter income. Now,  that 
>> > > may
>> >sound
>> > > like splitting hairs but investing other people's money and using  it 
>> > > to
>> >buy
>> > > other businesses wherein often times a new board is seated or takes
>> >control
>> > > and then firing enough people to make a profit for investors is 
>> > > probably
>> >not
>> > > what I had in mind. I'm not picking on him, but it is not like he has
>> >picked
>> > > himself up by the bootstraps and actually run companies that produced
>> >anything
>> > > tangible..... I'm just in a bad mood. I can find fault with all of 
>> > > these
>> > > bums!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > John  Stewart
>> > > Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
>> > > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ 
>> > > (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)
>> > >
>> > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart
>> > >
>> > > 2110 S. Dairy  Road
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>> > > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
>> > > Cell:  321-794-6259
>> > > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/)
>> > > "Winners  analyze, losers rationalize."
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > **************Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.
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>> > >
>> >
>> >Steve Blatman
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>> >14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
>> >Tel: 610-647-0776
>> >Fax: 610-647-4560
>> >
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>> _____________________________________________
>>
>> Scott Cappel
>>
>> Sorrento Mesa Printing
>> 7398 Trade Street
>> San Diego, CA 92121-2422
>> 858-527-0800
>> 858-527-1740 FAX
>> http://www.sorrentomesa.com
>>
>> LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa
>>
>> Direct Links for Learning:
>> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html
>> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html
>> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html
>>
>> Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider
>> Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider
>> Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level
>> Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider
>>
>> Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego
>>
>>
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>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>>
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Thom Gulyas
> ACE Printing & Mailing
> Berlin, Maryland 21811
> www.acepm.com
> _______________________________________________
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
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> 

From jgross at techiowa.com  Sat Jan 19 11:51:11 2008
From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross)
Date: Sat Jan 19 11:51:19 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Getting into Digital printing NAQP pricing
References: <005801c859fe$3ee1f4a0$7d01a8c0@key.local>
	<00df01c85a2e$1ddac090$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
Message-ID: <003601c85abb$7f4d3690$0201a8c0@JGrossLaptop>

Charlene, I requested a proposal from Konica and information about 
servicing, but there was no response from them.  Also, they won't facilitate 
the same pricing with their own dealers.  That NAQP deal has very little 
value for me.

John Gross
Technigraphics.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlene Sims" <char@themasterspress.com>
To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 5:59 PM
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Getting into Digital printing


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Peter I have never looked back as far as getting into digital.  There is 
> so
> much potential it is mind boggling.  This is one of those technologies 
> where
> I really believe if you build it, they will come.  And if you sell it you
> will be amazed.  There is a whole lot of difference in the Konica 6500 and
> the Canon 7000.  The quality is amazing.  But the price difference is 
> also.
> A Konica 6500 will give you a great deal of capacity to use to grow into 
> the
> digital world with a lot lower risk factor just starting out.  If you put
> enough volume on that then you can move into something bigger.  NAQP has
> good contract pricing with the 6500 that would be worth you looking at. 
> It
> can save you some big bucks.
> ch
>
> Charlene Sims
>
> The Master's Press, Inc
> 14550 Midway Road
> Dallas, Tx  75244
> 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
> char@themasterspress.com
> www.themasterspress.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Peter Church
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 12:16 PM
> To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
> Subject: [PrintOwners] Getting into Digital printing
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> My shop employes 15 people and we do a little over $2 million a year. Our
> workhorse press is a 20 year old Komori Lithrone 20 x 26 four color. We 
> also
> have 20 x 25 two color Lithrone, Heidelberg DI, Heidelberg Printmaster 
> 46-2,
> Hamada 2 color duplicator, Die cutting capabiities and full bindery.
>
> We have NO copiers or digital print experience.
>
> I am thinking of getting into digital color printing so we can attract new
> customers and offer more the the existing ones. Since it will have 
> variable
> data printing, it will also get us into mailing services.
>
> I am going to be educating myself by attending the seminars at the 
> upcoming
> Print On Demand Expo in Boston the beginning of March.
>
> I am talking to IKON, who seems to have good service locally. They are
> talking about the Canon ImagePRESS C7000VP, which is a 70 page per minute,
> 13 x 19 inch size production machine. With all the bells and whistles,
> $250,000. The quality of the finished piece is very impressive.
>
> He is also talking aobut a Konica Minolta which they relabel as the IKON 
> CPP
> 650, which is 65 pages per minute. The quality of the piece is not quite 
> as
> good.
>
> Do you have any suggestions for me as I take this big leap of faith into 
> the
> future of printing?
>
> Do you know anythng about these machines?
>
> Anything else I should be doing to educate myself about the new venture?
> Mostly I am concerened about marketing this new capability. I want to deal
> business to business; we are not set up to do walk-ins.
>
> Have any of you recently taken this leap from offset to Digital?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Peter Church
> Keystone Press, LLC
> 9 Old Falls Road
> Manchester, NH 03103
> phone: 603-622-5222
> fax: 603-622-9432
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
> 

From char at themasterspress.com  Sat Jan 19 13:11:15 2008
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Sat Jan 19 13:11:49 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Getting into Digital printing NAQP pricing
In-Reply-To: <003601c85abb$7f4d3690$0201a8c0@JGrossLaptop>
Message-ID: <C3B79963.16D9%char@themasterspress.com>

If they do not have an office close to you they will not commit to service
you.  They have learned that the hard way.  But they usually will strongly
encourage their dealer to give the same price.  But you have to go thru
Konica and they talk to the dealer.  But I don't think they can force the
dealer either.  But they will back up the price with their dealer.  If that
has not happened I would encourage you if interested to call Chuck Slaughter
directly.
Charlene


On 1/19/08 10:51 AM, "John Gross" <jgross@techiowa.com> wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> Charlene, I requested a proposal from Konica and information about
> servicing, but there was no response from them.  Also, they won't facilitate
> the same pricing with their own dealers.  That NAQP deal has very little
> value for me.
> 
> John Gross
> Technigraphics.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlene Sims" <char@themasterspress.com>
> To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'"
> <printowners@printweb.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 5:59 PM
> Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Getting into Digital printing
> 
> 
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>> 
>> Peter I have never looked back as far as getting into digital.  There is
>> so
>> much potential it is mind boggling.  This is one of those technologies
>> where
>> I really believe if you build it, they will come.  And if you sell it you
>> will be amazed.  There is a whole lot of difference in the Konica 6500 and
>> the Canon 7000.  The quality is amazing.  But the price difference is
>> also.
>> A Konica 6500 will give you a great deal of capacity to use to grow into
>> the
>> digital world with a lot lower risk factor just starting out.  If you put
>> enough volume on that then you can move into something bigger.  NAQP has
>> good contract pricing with the 6500 that would be worth you looking at.
>> It
>> can save you some big bucks.
>> ch
>> 
>> Charlene Sims
>> 
>> The Master's Press, Inc
>> 14550 Midway Road
>> Dallas, Tx  75244
>> 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
>> char@themasterspress.com
>> www.themasterspress.com
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
>> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Peter Church
>> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 12:16 PM
>> To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
>> Subject: [PrintOwners] Getting into Digital printing
>> 
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>> 
>> My shop employes 15 people and we do a little over $2 million a year. Our
>> workhorse press is a 20 year old Komori Lithrone 20 x 26 four color. We
>> also
>> have 20 x 25 two color Lithrone, Heidelberg DI, Heidelberg Printmaster
>> 46-2,
>> Hamada 2 color duplicator, Die cutting capabiities and full bindery.
>> 
>> We have NO copiers or digital print experience.
>> 
>> I am thinking of getting into digital color printing so we can attract new
>> customers and offer more the the existing ones. Since it will have
>> variable
>> data printing, it will also get us into mailing services.
>> 
>> I am going to be educating myself by attending the seminars at the
>> upcoming
>> Print On Demand Expo in Boston the beginning of March.
>> 
>> I am talking to IKON, who seems to have good service locally. They are
>> talking about the Canon ImagePRESS C7000VP, which is a 70 page per minute,
>> 13 x 19 inch size production machine. With all the bells and whistles,
>> $250,000. The quality of the finished piece is very impressive.
>> 
>> He is also talking aobut a Konica Minolta which they relabel as the IKON
>> CPP
>> 650, which is 65 pages per minute. The quality of the piece is not quite
>> as
>> good.
>> 
>> Do you have any suggestions for me as I take this big leap of faith into
>> the
>> future of printing?
>> 
>> Do you know anythng about these machines?
>> 
>> Anything else I should be doing to educate myself about the new venture?
>> Mostly I am concerened about marketing this new capability. I want to deal
>> business to business; we are not set up to do walk-ins.
>> 
>> Have any of you recently taken this leap from offset to Digital?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Peter Church
>> Keystone Press, LLC
>> 9 Old Falls Road
>> Manchester, NH 03103
>> phone: 603-622-5222
>> fax: 603-622-9432
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> PrintOwners Discussion List
>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> PrintOwners Discussion List
>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>> 
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> 
> 

Charlene Sims
The Master?s Press, Inc.
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx 75244
972-387-0046
Fax  972-404-0317
Char@themasterspress.com



From copythatnyc at aol.com  Sat Jan 19 14:27:04 2008
From: copythatnyc at aol.com (copythatnyc@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan 19 14:27:19 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] LOW Cost UV Coater in place
In-Reply-To: <910C3822-2FF0-4012-A394-1079B71AF5F1@zapcolor.com>
References: <20080118215638.8E8D1D8110A@rb.enter.net>
	<910C3822-2FF0-4012-A394-1079B71AF5F1@zapcolor.com>
Message-ID: <8CA28E868133CD6-E10-1E71@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>


I'm intersted in coater





Tommy


-----Original Message-----
From: Eugene Montanez <zapit@zapcolor.com>
To: printowners@printweb.org
Sent: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 5:27 pm
Subject: [PrintOwners] LOW Cost UV Coater in place



***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****?
?
I talked about the UV Coater I imported from China.?
Well it is installed here in our shop and has produced some pretty cool work so far.?
It is small, will coat 25" wide and is going to knock your socks off when I give you the pricing.?
?
I am going to do a video this weekend and post it along with the photos of the unit.?
?
The pricing will be very good for a couple of months, I am trying to get exclusive rights for the US, but if I don't, this next month or 2 may be the only chance I will have to offer this at a wholesale price. Next will be getting a few dealers, or someone may knock me out and only sell retail here in the US.?
?
I have a few people who have expressed an interest, but if you have not sent me an email off list, please do so now and I will get back to you over the weekend.?
?
Thanks?
?
>?
?
Eugene Montanez?
ZAP Printing & Graphics?
127 Radio Rd?
Corona, CA 92879?
951-734-8181?
?
Zapit@zapcolor.com?
?
?
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Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org?
Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners?
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From copythatnyc at aol.com  Sat Jan 19 15:21:55 2008
From: copythatnyc at aol.com (copythatnyc@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan 19 15:22:16 2008
Subject: A Little Math (was Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding
	another Digital Copier.)
In-Reply-To: <C3B6C740.2C9D1%dvmonto@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <8CA28F011E75B23-E10-2017@webmail-dd18.sysops.aol.com>

I've reply to all before, as I will with you.? I am very sorry you received this from our company.? I already alerted my staff on future e-mail blast.

David no not new in this realm!


Tommy


-----Original Message-----
From: David Monto <dvmonto@optonline.net>
To: Printowners <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 9:14 pm
Subject: Re: A Little Math (was Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Questions about Adding another Digital Copier.)



***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

On 1/18/08 1:06 PM, "copythatnyc@aol.com" <copythatnyc@aol.com> wrote:

> Main reason is the name change & ownership.? I was a silent partner on Village
> Duplicating. 
    
I guess you are new here.

I (we) do not appreciate you using our email addresses harvested from here
to send us spam about your company.

Here are the addresses you sent the spam to:

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 ted@adss.net, bpechin@sacredheartprivate.org, dandrew@datapalette.com,
 secretary@cityislandchamber.org, oasplans@optonline.net,
info@uprinting.com,
 newsletter@godaddy.com, Lamination_Depot_Inc_zzrrgq@cmpgnr.com,
 judith_erazo@hotmail.com, JimG@riversidegroup.com,
oxygencleaning@gmail.com,
 toddmhaley@yahoo.com, mail@banners48.com, Andy@InkIncOnline.com,
 Ksage@icic.org, mahoney.greg@gamil.com, bill@williammaruder.com,
 dvmonto@optonline.net, aurore90@optonline.net, Jaynycnapvi@aol.com,
 ssheers@sheergraphics.com, johnanthony_deltasec@hotmail.co.uk,
 dtrader1@gmail.com, Afcarranza@avaya.com, lbasinait@asicentral.com,
 josh@starcraftpress.com, cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com,
fortunasigns@yahoo.com,
 news@photoimaginganddesign.com, trinity6971@aol.com,
art@adlibadvertising.com,
 info@vinylbannersandsigns.com, support@printersplan.com,
 john@jdassociatesllc.com, frank@harringtontalents.com,
Molly@scratchoff.com,
 deborah.robinson@talenttree.com, mgutloff@yahoo.com, XEROX@greyemail.com,
 clearanceunit@offshorepayment.net, info@portada-online.com,
 help.discountlabels@qualitypark.com, mail@sugarhousebanners.com,
 info@mygraphexpo.com, plandis@ptd.net

If anyone would like to see what he sent I will forward it to you.


-- 
David V. Monto

Sir Speedy Printing
1837 South Road
Wappingers Falls, NY 12590

Phone:845-298-8898
Fax: 845-298-8537
email: dvmonto@optonline.net
-- 
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 - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943



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From swiftyprinting at mac.com  Mon Jan 21 08:29:56 2008
From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck)
Date: Mon Jan 21 08:30:19 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] You Tube Video Humor (Way OFF)
Message-ID: <21197994-1FA9-4179-B85E-09D533B3C695@mac.com>

Here is some humor for Monday Morning - it is a real printing company  
too!.
Didn't see him at the conference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpAuDrs5ocg

http://tinyurl.com/254jwl

Chuck Pappas
Arlington Swifty Printing
1386 Massachusetts Avenue
Arlington, MA 02476
781-646-8700
www.arlingtonswifty.com
Member: National Association of Quick Printers
Print Industry of New England
GATF
Adobe Service Network
Quark Alliance
Microsoft Publisher Provider




From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com  Mon Jan 21 09:12:16 2008
From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo)
Date: Mon Jan 21 09:12:33 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Economic Reality & Sense of Urgency( off)
In-Reply-To: <200801182316.m0INGpoE010081@i2bnetworks.com>
References: <4790D459.16198.1900EE62@slb.inkspot.net>	<003001c85a26$0da826c0$6900000a@tech.local>
	<200801182316.m0INGpoE010081@i2bnetworks.com>
Message-ID: <4794A840.1010800@sugarloafprint.com>

Scott Cappel wrote:
> Iowa is overrated.
>

LOL

Yup!

-- 
Ron Sardo
Sugarloaf Print Shop
mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com
www.sugarloafprint.com
570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077

From sgfinke at fuse.net  Mon Jan 21 09:11:59 2008
From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke)
Date: Mon Jan 21 09:13:02 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] You Tube Video Humor (Way OFF)
In-Reply-To: <21197994-1FA9-4179-B85E-09D533B3C695@mac.com>
References: <21197994-1FA9-4179-B85E-09D533B3C695@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C54F5E8B-8545-4F0D-8998-80291565CBAD@fuse.net>


ROTFL.

Who is doing the next Owner's Conference? That video has to be shown!!!!


Gail Finke
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc.	
8630 Winton Road
Cincinnati, OH 45231
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
(513) 522-2679
Fax 522-2692
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
info@brentwood-printing.com
www.brentwood-printing.com




On Jan 21, 2008, at 8:29 AM, Chuck wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Here is some humor for Monday Morning - it is a real printing  
> company too!.
> Didn't see him at the conference.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpAuDrs5ocg
>
> http://tinyurl.com/254jwl
>
> Chuck Pappas
> Arlington Swifty Printing
> 1386 Massachusetts Avenue
> Arlington, MA 02476
> 781-646-8700
> www.arlingtonswifty.com
> Member: National Association of Quick Printers
> Print Industry of New England
> GATF
> Adobe Service Network
> Quark Alliance
> Microsoft Publisher Provider
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>

From melissa at kwiksolutions.com  Mon Jan 21 09:19:20 2008
From: melissa at kwiksolutions.com (Melissa Uber)
Date: Mon Jan 21 09:19:53 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Intel iMac probs
In-Reply-To: <4794A840.1010800@sugarloafprint.com>
Message-ID: <015d01c85c38$9dab1ca0$3e00000a@Melissa>

We've had an Intel iMac for almost a year. Periodically it crashes when in
Quark getting a picture from the network drive (Snap Server). Also, these
weird folders show up in the user-preference folder that have jibberish type
characters that came out of no where and there are a dozen at a time. I'll
delete them and they'll come back.

Quark says it's Apple, Apple says it's Quark. We've tried deleting user
accounts and making new ones. 

Anyone have an idea to try?

Thanks!
Melissa

Melissa Uber
Kwik Solutions...Everything in Print!
melissa@kwiksolutions.com
 
Jamestown - 20 W. 3rd St, Jamestown, NY 14701
                   (716) 483-3227
Warren   -    326 Penna Ave W., Warren, PA 16365
                  (814) 726-5679


From bob at gallagherprint.com  Mon Jan 21 09:26:42 2008
From: bob at gallagherprint.com (Bob Gallagher)
Date: Mon Jan 21 09:27:02 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Intel iMac probs
In-Reply-To: <015d01c85c38$9dab1ca0$3e00000a@Melissa>
Message-ID: <C3BA15D2.2B6CB%bob@gallagherprint.com>

On 1/21/08 9:19 AM, "Melissa Uber" <melissa@kwiksolutions.com> wrote:

As a long time Quark supporter who finally gave up the battle with them last
year, my recommendation is to switch to In Design. Marksware software makes
a program called Q2ID that almost seamlessly converts Quark documents to In
Design. All of the printing and PDF issues disappeared.

Bob Gallagher
Gallagher Printing, Inc.
601 W. Main Street
Palmyra, PA 17078
717-838-1527
1-888-838-1527
Fax 717-838-5715
<bob@gallagherprint.com>
http://www.gallagherprint.com

An Adobe Service Provider
A Microsoft Publisher Provider
Member, Adobe Solutions Network


From copythatnyc at aol.com  Mon Jan 21 09:54:18 2008
From: copythatnyc at aol.com (copythatnyc@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 21 09:54:50 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] You Tube Video Humor (Way OFF)
In-Reply-To: <21197994-1FA9-4179-B85E-09D533B3C695@mac.com>
References: <21197994-1FA9-4179-B85E-09D533B3C695@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8CA2A54A2630EC9-36C-34DD@Webmail-mg12.sysops.aol.com>


Our Industry's Hero....Loved It!



Tommy


-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck <swiftyprinting@mac.com>
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 8:29 am
Subject: [PrintOwners] You Tube Video Humor (Way OFF)



***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****?
?
Here is some humor for Monday Morning - it is a real printing company too!.?
Didn't see him at the conference.?
?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpAuDrs5ocg?
?
http://tinyurl.com/254jwl?
?
Chuck Pappas?
Arlington Swifty Printing?
1386 Massachusetts Avenue?
Arlington, MA 02476?
781-646-8700?
www.arlingtonswifty.com?
Member: National Association of Quick Printers?
Print Industry of New England?
GATF?
Adobe Service Network?
Quark Alliance?
Microsoft Publisher Provider?
?
?
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PrintOwners Discussion List?
Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org?
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From copythatnyc at aol.com  Mon Jan 21 09:57:31 2008
From: copythatnyc at aol.com (copythatnyc@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 21 09:57:52 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] You Tube Video Humor (Way OFF)
In-Reply-To: <C54F5E8B-8545-4F0D-8998-80291565CBAD@fuse.net>
References: <21197994-1FA9-4179-B85E-09D533B3C695@mac.com>
	<C54F5E8B-8545-4F0D-8998-80291565CBAD@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <8CA2A5514E58F62-36C-350C@Webmail-mg12.sysops.aol.com>

Gail I totally agree with ya!


Tommy


-----Original Message-----
From: Scott and Gail Finke <sgfinke@fuse.net>
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 9:11 am
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] You Tube Video Humor (Way OFF)


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****?
?
ROTFL.?
?
Who is doing the next Owner's Conference? That video has to be shown!!!!?
?
Gail Finke?
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -?
Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc.8630 Winton Road?
Cincinnati, OH 45231?
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -?
(513) 522-2679?
Fax 522-2692?
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -?
info@brentwood-printing.com?
www.brentwood-printing.com?
?
?
On Jan 21, 2008, at 8:29 AM, Chuck wrote:?
?
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****?
>?
> Here is some humor for Monday Morning - it is a real printing > company too!.?
> Didn't see him at the conference.?
>?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpAuDrs5ocg?
>?
> http://tinyurl.com/254jwl?
>?
> Chuck Pappas?
> Arlington Swifty Printing?
> 1386 Massachusetts Avenue?
> Arlington, MA 02476?
> 781-646-8700?
> www.arlingtonswifty.com?
> Member: National Association of Quick Printers?
> Print Industry of New England?
> GATF?
> Adobe Service Network?
> Quark Alliance?
> Microsoft Publisher Provider?
>?
>?
>?
>?
> _______________________________________________?
> PrintOwners Discussion List?
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org?
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners?
>?
?
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From jacemeister at gmail.com  Mon Jan 21 09:58:25 2008
From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean)
Date: Mon Jan 21 09:58:41 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Getting into Digital printing NAQP pricing
In-Reply-To: <003601c85abb$7f4d3690$0201a8c0@JGrossLaptop>
References: <005801c859fe$3ee1f4a0$7d01a8c0@key.local>
	<00df01c85a2e$1ddac090$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
	<003601c85abb$7f4d3690$0201a8c0@JGrossLaptop>
Message-ID: <de1d94970801210658v2a79eb7fr184ef69e6e574d1f@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Charlene, I requested a proposal from Konica and information about
> servicing, but there was no response from them.  Also, they won't
> facilitate
> the same pricing with their own dealers.  That NAQP deal has very little
> value for me.
>
> John Gross
> Technigraphics.
>
> Maybe I can shed a little light, John. I had a tough time understanding
why I was being quoted prices by KM that were higher than I'd expected.

Last week Chuck patiently explained it to me. The prices I was being quoted
was from a branch of KM and they were honoring the NAQP contract price.

I was quoted lower prices by my local dealer, but the big difference is
while they are an authorized dealer they are not a branch of KM.

I know from experience with this dealer that their technicians are not well
trained and they do not stock much inventory. The service on my C500 has
been poor over the year I've owned.

If I choose to go with the KM branch, I will pay a little more, but Chuck
assured me that not only are the technicians more thoroughly trained, but
they have layers of management that can be called upon if we happen to have
more problems than anticipated (that's my wording - I don't remember exactly
how he put it, but he has me convinced).

The KM branch has more inventory, better trained techs and more of them. The
cost difference is minimal.

To sum things up, I had enough work last year that I could have probably put
close to 100,000 clicks a month on my C500. However, due to poor service
from my independant dealer I only averaged 20,000 clicks a month. Compare
that to Scott Cappel who had the exact opposite experience and I believe the
decision is easier to make. If I decide to buy the 6500, I'm convinced I
will buy it through the KM branch office rather than the lower priced
independant dealer. Even with the slightly higher click charges, I'm
confident I'll make a lot more money off the machine. HTH
-- 
Jace Prejean
Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc
922 Sunset Ave
Houma, LA 70360
Phone 985-868-8273

www.BayouPrinting.com
From john at foxprinting.biz  Mon Jan 21 10:51:27 2008
From: john at foxprinting.biz (John Schroeder)
Date: Mon Jan 21 10:56:37 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] health insurance
In-Reply-To: <C3B371F2.1DA05%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
References: <C3B371F2.1DA05%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
Message-ID: <25EEEEA1-ED9E-47AA-A1FB-88B769FD5508@foxprinting.biz>

Our company health insurance renews March 1 and the new rates
are 7% above what we are currently paying. Last year the increase was
12%. The plan is an HMO with a $10.00 co-pay.  A few years ago
we paid the entire premium, then went to 75% and then to 50%.

This year we are looking into the high deductible plans coupled with
health savings accounts. Would those of you who have these plans in
place comment on your contributions as the employer toward the employees
deductible cash build up in the HSA. The plan we are looking most  
closely at
has deductibles of $1500.00 for singles and $3000.00 for families. 100%
coverage after the deductible is met. Thank you.



John




John Schroeder
Fox Printing
802-658-9196
john@foxprinting.biz

From swiftyprinting at mac.com  Mon Jan 21 11:06:25 2008
From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck)
Date: Mon Jan 21 11:06:43 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] health insurance
In-Reply-To: <25EEEEA1-ED9E-47AA-A1FB-88B769FD5508@foxprinting.biz>
References: <C3B371F2.1DA05%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
	<25EEEEA1-ED9E-47AA-A1FB-88B769FD5508@foxprinting.biz>
Message-ID: <75994B8E-E292-4CD5-A05F-B77AF160FAD2@mac.com>


On Jan 21, 2008, at 10:51 AM, John Schroeder wrote:

> Our company health insurance renews March 1 and the new rates
> are 7% above what we are currently paying. Last year the increase was
> 12%. The plan is an HMO with a $10.00 co-pay.  A few years ago
> we paid the entire premium, then went to 75% and then to 50%.


Health insurance is an expensive benefit. Thanks to our friend Mitt  
and his mandated insurance plan, we saw our employee HMO policies jump  
40%. To continue we had to choose an HMO plan with higher co-pays.  
Quite often our employees never quite appreciated this benefit.  
However in the last 2 years we had 2 employees who needed expensive  
surgery, it is amazing how quickly the benefit is now appreciated.



Chuck Pappas
Arlington Swifty Printing
1386 Massachusetts Avenue
Arlington, MA 02476
781-646-8700
www.arlingtonswifty.com
Member: National Association of Quick Printers
Print Industry of New England
GATF
Adobe Service Network
Quark Alliance
Microsoft Publisher Provider


From char at themasterspress.com  Mon Jan 21 11:08:39 2008
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Mon Jan 21 11:09:36 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] health insurance
In-Reply-To: <25EEEEA1-ED9E-47AA-A1FB-88B769FD5508@foxprinting.biz>
References: <C3B371F2.1DA05%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
	<25EEEEA1-ED9E-47AA-A1FB-88B769FD5508@foxprinting.biz>
Message-ID: <005c01c85c47$fafe6ab0$0b01a8c0@CharXP>

John, I just got my insurance renewal and was shocked to get a -4% decrease.
We pay 100% for our employees, but have a $2500 deductible.  They pay the
1st $1000 deductible and I pay them back for the next $1500.  That makes my
premiums less and makes up the difference in the deductible.  If everyone in
the company uses the $1500 I will loose money but that has never even come
close yet.  I usually end up with less.  I am with Pacific Care and have 6
people on the plan.  But it is a $30 co-pay also.  $10 co-pay would make
very high premiums I would think.
ch

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Schroeder
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 9:51 AM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] health insurance

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Our company health insurance renews March 1 and the new rates
are 7% above what we are currently paying. Last year the increase was
12%. The plan is an HMO with a $10.00 co-pay.  A few years ago
we paid the entire premium, then went to 75% and then to 50%.

This year we are looking into the high deductible plans coupled with
health savings accounts. Would those of you who have these plans in
place comment on your contributions as the employer toward the employees
deductible cash build up in the HSA. The plan we are looking most  
closely at
has deductibles of $1500.00 for singles and $3000.00 for families. 100%
coverage after the deductible is met. Thank you.



John




John Schroeder
Fox Printing
802-658-9196
john@foxprinting.biz

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From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Mon Jan 21 11:54:22 2008
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Mon Jan 21 11:54:58 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Getting into Digital printing NAQP pricing
In-Reply-To: <de1d94970801210658v2a79eb7fr184ef69e6e574d1f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005801c859fe$3ee1f4a0$7d01a8c0@key.local>
	<00df01c85a2e$1ddac090$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
	<003601c85abb$7f4d3690$0201a8c0@JGrossLaptop>
	<de1d94970801210658v2a79eb7fr184ef69e6e574d1f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7DA9C3A2-943B-44DA-8925-C13489DD2C64@falconprintandcopy.com>

Hi Peter,

I agree with everyone that you'll be very happy you got into digital  
printing.  In addition to the massive amount of business out there,  
its just easier.

As for the Canon, I'm going to kind of make a play for each side:

For:  I've actually been really impressed with it.  We don't have one,  
but we were looking at it as a possible replacement to our 6060.   
You're going to be able to do whatever you want with it.  I've seen it  
print full photos and  solids on 100# strathmore cover with no  
problem.  Which my 6060 can't do.  $250K is a LOT of money, but I  
generally like to go high-end of equipment, believing you get what you  
pay for.  If you're doing 2 Million a  year in offset, those clients  
probably have just as much in digital work for you.

Against:  $250K is a LOT of money.  (I know, I used that twice).   
You're not doing this INSTEAD of full color printing, you're doing it  
in addition to it.  Those of us who have higher-end machines are  
generally doing it to avoid putting things on a press, which doesn't  
seem like a problem you're going to have.  A used or smaller machine,  
whether the KM, or a used 6060 or something, is a much less expensive  
way to get started and start building business.  If you get anything  
large, or non-digital paper, or even people who are real specific on  
quality, you'll just through it on the press anyway.

Borzou Azabdaftari
Falcon Print and Copy
1921 Gallows Road
Suite 150
Vienna, VA 22182
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134
borzou@falconprintandcopy.com



On Jan 21, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Jace Prejean wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>>
>> Charlene, I requested a proposal from Konica and information about
>> servicing, but there was no response from them.  Also, they won't
>> facilitate
>> the same pricing with their own dealers.  That NAQP deal has very  
>> little
>> value for me.
>>
>> John Gross
>> Technigraphics.
>>
>> Maybe I can shed a little light, John. I had a tough time  
>> understanding
> why I was being quoted prices by KM that were higher than I'd  
> expected.
>
> Last week Chuck patiently explained it to me. The prices I was being  
> quoted
> was from a branch of KM and they were honoring the NAQP contract  
> price.
>
> I was quoted lower prices by my local dealer, but the big difference  
> is
> while they are an authorized dealer they are not a branch of KM.
>
> I know from experience with this dealer that their technicians are  
> not well
> trained and they do not stock much inventory. The service on my C500  
> has
> been poor over the year I've owned.
>
> If I choose to go with the KM branch, I will pay a little more, but  
> Chuck
> assured me that not only are the technicians more thoroughly  
> trained, but
> they have layers of management that can be called upon if we happen  
> to have
> more problems than anticipated (that's my wording - I don't remember  
> exactly
> how he put it, but he has me convinced).
>
> The KM branch has more inventory, better trained techs and more of  
> them. The
> cost difference is minimal.
>
> To sum things up, I had enough work last year that I could have  
> probably put
> close to 100,000 clicks a month on my C500. However, due to poor  
> service
> from my independant dealer I only averaged 20,000 clicks a month.  
> Compare
> that to Scott Cappel who had the exact opposite experience and I  
> believe the
> decision is easier to make. If I decide to buy the 6500, I'm  
> convinced I
> will buy it through the KM branch office rather than the lower priced
> independant dealer. Even with the slightly higher click charges, I'm
> confident I'll make a lot more money off the machine. HTH
> -- 
> Jace Prejean
> Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc
> 922 Sunset Ave
> Houma, LA 70360
> Phone 985-868-8273
>
> www.BayouPrinting.com
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>

From greg at pressexpress.org  Mon Jan 21 12:19:41 2008
From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Mon Jan 21 12:20:22 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Intel iMac probs
In-Reply-To: <015d01c85c38$9dab1ca0$3e00000a@Melissa>
References: <015d01c85c38$9dab1ca0$3e00000a@Melissa>
Message-ID: <8C9C4F36-CC50-4437-B946-E2A7818333AE@pressexpress.org>

Yea, inDesign.

Seriously, though, we made the switch.  Quark is buggy, lies about  
corrupt fonts, etc.  And phone support is handled over seas.  Nothing  
against that but it is difficult to understand someone that can't  
speak english very well.

And like someone just posted, Markzware makes Quark to inDesign plug- 
in that converts quark documents to inDesign.  Works pretty well.

Greg


On Jan 21, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Melissa Uber wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> We've had an Intel iMac for almost a year. Periodically it crashes  
> when in
> Quark getting a picture from the network drive (Snap Server). Also,  
> these
> weird folders show up in the user-preference folder that have  
> jibberish type
> characters that came out of no where and there are a dozen at a  
> time. I'll
> delete them and they'll come back.
>
> Quark says it's Apple, Apple says it's Quark. We've tried deleting  
> user
> accounts and making new ones.
>
> Anyone have an idea to try?
>
> Thanks!
> Melissa
>
> Melissa Uber
> Kwik Solutions...Everything in Print!
> melissa@kwiksolutions.com
>
> Jamestown - 20 W. 3rd St, Jamestown, NY 14701
>                   (716) 483-3227
> Warren   -    326 Penna Ave W., Warren, PA 16365
>                  (814) 726-5679
>
>
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Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org

Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider
Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider


From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Mon Jan 21 12:43:53 2008
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Mon Jan 21 12:45:01 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Intel iMac probs
In-Reply-To: <8C9C4F36-CC50-4437-B946-E2A7818333AE@pressexpress.org>
References: <015d01c85c38$9dab1ca0$3e00000a@Melissa>
	<8C9C4F36-CC50-4437-B946-E2A7818333AE@pressexpress.org>
Message-ID: <7A4B8EF9-2E29-425A-A709-696EE6885C11@falconprintandcopy.com>

We do this here too.  I learned on Quark, was very slow to roll over  
to InDesign.  I regret it.  I have 7.0, but don't use it.  We open  
everything in InDesign with the Q2ID program, and couldn't be  
happier.  The only feature that doesn't always hold true is boxes can  
get wrap attributes changed, but that's a one-click fix.

Borzou Azabdaftari
Falcon Print and Copy
1921 Gallows Road
Suite 150
Vienna, VA 22182
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134
borzou@falconprintandcopy.com



On Jan 21, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Greg Weinfurter wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Yea, inDesign.
>
> Seriously, though, we made the switch.  Quark is buggy, lies about  
> corrupt fonts, etc.  And phone support is handled over seas.   
> Nothing against that but it is difficult to understand someone that  
> can't speak english very well.
>
> And like someone just posted, Markzware makes Quark to inDesign plug- 
> in that converts quark documents to inDesign.  Works pretty well.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Melissa Uber wrote:
>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> We've had an Intel iMac for almost a year. Periodically it crashes  
>> when in
>> Quark getting a picture from the network drive (Snap Server). Also,  
>> these
>> weird folders show up in the user-preference folder that have  
>> jibberish type
>> characters that came out of no where and there are a dozen at a  
>> time. I'll
>> delete them and they'll come back.
>>
>> Quark says it's Apple, Apple says it's Quark. We've tried deleting  
>> user
>> accounts and making new ones.
>>
>> Anyone have an idea to try?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Melissa
>>
>> Melissa Uber
>> Kwik Solutions...Everything in Print!
>> melissa@kwiksolutions.com
>>
>> Jamestown - 20 W. 3rd St, Jamestown, NY 14701
>>                  (716) 483-3227
>> Warren   -    326 Penna Ave W., Warren, PA 16365
>>                 (814) 726-5679
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> PrintOwners Discussion List
>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>
> Press Express
> 1869 N. Stevens St.
> Rhinelander, WI 54501
> Phone 715-362-2828
> Fax 715-369-2828
> info@pressexpress.org
>
> Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider
> Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider
>
>
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From scott at usacolor.com  Mon Jan 21 13:14:05 2008
From: scott at usacolor.com (scott)
Date: Mon Jan 21 13:15:12 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] mylar reinforced or tear proof paper
In-Reply-To: <910C3822-2FF0-4012-A394-1079B71AF5F1@zapcolor.com>
References: <20080118215638.8E8D1D8110A@rb.enter.net>
	<910C3822-2FF0-4012-A394-1079B71AF5F1@zapcolor.com>
Message-ID: <4794E0ED.6060306@usacolor.com>


I need a large qty - 175,000 sheets 17.5 x 22.5 60# offset with mylar 
reinforced edge or tear proof/resistant paper. Any leads would be 
greatly appreciated!

Scott Balsiger,
President
USA Color Printing Inc.
www.usacolor.com
791 Manhomen Dr.
Bemidji, MN 56601
800-759-9126
218-759-9126
218-759-2883(fax)
218-556-5505(cell)

>
From copythatnyc at aol.com  Mon Jan 21 13:19:18 2008
From: copythatnyc at aol.com (copythatnyc@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 21 13:19:55 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:  Paper Type
Message-ID: <8CA2A714553B833-36C-4221@Webmail-mg12.sysops.aol.com>

Just curious as to what works best in paper brands.? I've tried regualr litho gloss with no problems, but tried Smart paper brand & noticed more pop out of the colors.? Any comments on what?other brands work well.? Any comments are welcomed.

Tommy
________________________________________________________________________
More new features than ever.  Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com
From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Mon Jan 21 13:41:55 2008
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Mon Jan 21 13:42:32 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:  Paper Type
In-Reply-To: <8CA2A714553B833-36C-4221@Webmail-mg12.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CA2A714553B833-36C-4221@Webmail-mg12.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <7AED7836-7696-4AFF-BC14-59306E3EAD8B@falconprintandcopy.com>

We us a paper by Mega Gallerie XP.  They're gloss gives us the best  
color and its fairly inexpensive.  Our tech doesn't like us using it  
though, he claims it causes problems.  Our customer's love it though.

Borzou Azabdaftari
Falcon Print and Copy
1921 Gallows Road
Suite 150
Vienna, VA 22182
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134
borzou@falconprintandcopy.com



On Jan 21, 2008, at 1:19 PM, Copythatnyc@aol.com wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Just curious as to what works best in paper brands.? I've tried  
> regualr litho gloss with no problems, but tried Smart paper brand &  
> noticed more pop out of the colors.? Any comments on what?other  
> brands work well.? Any comments are welcomed.
>
> Tommy
> ________________________________________________________________________
> More new features than ever.  Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com
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From list at interiorgraphics.com  Mon Jan 21 13:51:21 2008
From: list at interiorgraphics.com (Michelle at Interior Graphics)
Date: Mon Jan 21 13:51:56 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excessive Inking on Plate- AB Dick 9810
Message-ID: <39210F8F-20A4-49B9-AE2A-FF94F03E41EB@interiorgraphics.com>

Hi there,

We've come up with a little problem with our AB Dick 9810 press.   
There is excessive inking on the lead edge of the plate and we're not  
sure what to adjust to clear it off.  It's on the part of the plate  
that bends around to attach to the cylinder, which leaves a stripe at  
the top edge of the sheet.  If you have any suggestions, I'd love to  
hear them.  Thanks much!


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Michelle Maynor
"Your Personal Printer"
Interior Graphics & Printing
770 8th Avenue
Fairbanks, AK 99701
907.456.4982 phone
907.452.6992 fax

"The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the  
most." - John Ruskin



From kellycrom at gmail.com  Mon Jan 21 14:01:34 2008
From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics)
Date: Mon Jan 21 14:02:23 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] mylar reinforced or tear proof paper
In-Reply-To: <4794E0ED.6060306@usacolor.com>
References: <20080118215638.8E8D1D8110A@rb.enter.net><910C3822-2FF0-4012-A394-1079B71AF5F1@zapcolor.com>
	<4794E0ED.6060306@usacolor.com>
Message-ID: <005d01c85c60$0b5bcac0$6d01a8c0@KELLY>

Try Holmberg www.holmberg.com
They are located right here in MN.

Kelly Crom
Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.

We've Moved!!!
2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
Plymouth, MN  55441
New Phone:  (763)231-6970
kellycrom@gmail.com
www.applied-graphics.com 

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org 
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of scott
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 12:14 PM
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> Subject: [PrintOwners] mylar reinforced or tear proof paper
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> 
> I need a large qty - 175,000 sheets 17.5 x 22.5 60# offset with mylar 
> reinforced edge or tear proof/resistant paper. Any leads would be 
> greatly appreciated!
> 
> Scott Balsiger,
> President
> USA Color Printing Inc.
> www.usacolor.com
> 791 Manhomen Dr.
> Bemidji, MN 56601
> 800-759-9126
> 218-759-9126
> 218-759-2883(fax)
> 218-556-5505(cell)
> 
> >
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> 

From ed at graphicprintersinc.com  Mon Jan 21 14:10:04 2008
From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce)
Date: Mon Jan 21 14:10:38 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excessive Inking on Plate- AB Dick 9810
In-Reply-To: <39210F8F-20A4-49B9-AE2A-FF94F03E41EB@interiorgraphics.com>
Message-ID: <009101c85c61$3bb6adb0$5a01a8c0@fileserver>

That is called "Scumming" and is usually caused by not enough water, dirty
metering roller or bad fountain solution. Clean the metering roller good,
increase the water a touch and see what happens. If that doesn't work change
out your fountain solution with fresh mixed. 

If you don't have a Kompac or Crestline on your presses either one would be
an excellent investment.

Ed Pierce
Graphic Print & Communication
Meridian MS 
601-485-7088
ed@graphicprintersinc.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michelle at Interior
Graphics
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 12:51 PM
To: Printowners
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excessive Inking on Plate- AB Dick 9810

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Hi there,

We've come up with a little problem with our AB Dick 9810 press.   
There is excessive inking on the lead edge of the plate and we're not  
sure what to adjust to clear it off.  It's on the part of the plate  
that bends around to attach to the cylinder, which leaves a stripe at  
the top edge of the sheet.  If you have any suggestions, I'd love to  
hear them.  Thanks much!


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Michelle Maynor
"Your Personal Printer"
Interior Graphics & Printing
770 8th Avenue
Fairbanks, AK 99701
907.456.4982 phone
907.452.6992 fax

"The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the  
most." - John Ruskin



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From greg at pressexpress.org  Mon Jan 21 14:25:05 2008
From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Mon Jan 21 14:29:21 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excessive Inking on Plate- AB Dick 9810
In-Reply-To: <39210F8F-20A4-49B9-AE2A-FF94F03E41EB@interiorgraphics.com>
References: <39210F8F-20A4-49B9-AE2A-FF94F03E41EB@interiorgraphics.com>
Message-ID: <06136E93-CB1F-406B-92B2-038BF7176031@pressexpress.org>

Yikes, there could be many reasons.

Too much tack in your ink?

Check your forms, and the stop blocks, if the forms are dropping down  
into the cylinder gap, then hitting the lead edge of the plate/ 
cylinder, you could be getting some bounce when the forms strike to  
ride on the plate.

What kind of dampening?  Standard, alcohol, compac?  Try soft water or  
alcohol to make the water "wetter".  If compac, again, the main compac  
roller should only drop into the cylinder just a tad otherwise, you  
might get some bounce if that roller hits the plate cylinder hard.   
Check  your compac stripe.

How old are your forms?  Maybe time to replace them?

A work around is to strip/burn/camera your plates with the image, a  
half inch lower, thus creating an extra half inch on the blanket that  
the ink build up has to crawl down.  If many of your runs are short,  
you might be able to get away doing this, or at least, wipe the  
blanket and clean the lead edge of the plate once every thousand  
sheets or so.

Greg


On Jan 21, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Michelle at Interior Graphics wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Hi there,
>
> We've come up with a little problem with our AB Dick 9810 press.   
> There is excessive inking on the lead edge of the plate and we're  
> not sure what to adjust to clear it off.  It's on the part of the  
> plate that bends around to attach to the cylinder, which leaves a  
> stripe at the top edge of the sheet.  If you have any suggestions,  
> I'd love to hear them.  Thanks much!
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Michelle Maynor
> "Your Personal Printer"
> Interior Graphics & Printing
> 770 8th Avenue
> Fairbanks, AK 99701
> 907.456.4982 phone
> 907.452.6992 fax
>
> "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the  
> most." - John Ruskin
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners


Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org

Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider
Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider


From greg at pressexpress.org  Mon Jan 21 14:35:15 2008
From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Mon Jan 21 14:39:11 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excessive Inking on Plate- AB Dick 9810
In-Reply-To: <39210F8F-20A4-49B9-AE2A-FF94F03E41EB@interiorgraphics.com>
References: <39210F8F-20A4-49B9-AE2A-FF94F03E41EB@interiorgraphics.com>
Message-ID: <0524BEAB-827E-4A39-9EF3-DBB3C39B672F@pressexpress.org>

Yikes, there could be many reasons.

Too much tack in your ink?

Check your forms, and the stop blocks, if the forms are dropping down  
into the cylinder gap, then hitting the lead edge of the plate/ 
cylinder, you could be getting some bounce when the forms strike to  
ride on the plate.

What kind of dampening?  Standard, alcohol, compac?  Try soft water or  
alcohol to make the water "wetter".  If compac, again, the main compac  
roller should only drop into the cylinder just a tad otherwise, you  
might get some bounce if that roller hits the plate cylinder hard.   
Check  your compac stripe.

How old are your forms?  Maybe time to replace them?

A work around is to strip/burn/camera your plates with the image, a  
half inch lower, thus creating an extra half inch on the blanket that  
the ink build up has to crawl down.  If many of your runs are short,  
you might be able to get away doing this, or at least, wipe the  
blanket and clean the lead edge of the plate once every thousand  
sheets or so.

Greg


On Jan 21, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Michelle at Interior Graphics wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Hi there,
>
> We've come up with a little problem with our AB Dick 9810 press.   
> There is excessive inking on the lead edge of the plate and we're  
> not sure what to adjust to clear it off.  It's on the part of the  
> plate that bends around to attach to the cylinder, which leaves a  
> stripe at the top edge of the sheet.  If you have any suggestions,  
> I'd love to hear them.  Thanks much!
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Michelle Maynor
> "Your Personal Printer"
> Interior Graphics & Printing
> 770 8th Avenue
> Fairbanks, AK 99701
> 907.456.4982 phone
> 907.452.6992 fax
>
> "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the  
> most." - John Ruskin
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners


Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org

Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider
Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider


From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Mon Jan 21 14:42:12 2008
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Mon Jan 21 14:42:21 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excessive Inking on Plate- AB Dick 9810
In-Reply-To: <06136E93-CB1F-406B-92B2-038BF7176031@pressexpress.org>
References: <39210F8F-20A4-49B9-AE2A-FF94F03E41EB@interiorgraphics.com>
	<06136E93-CB1F-406B-92B2-038BF7176031@pressexpress.org>
Message-ID: <006601c85c65$b7f2bcd0$6501a8c0@corapurvine>

Is this a metal or poly plate? 


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:25 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Excessive Inking on Plate- AB Dick 9810

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Yikes, there could be many reasons.

Too much tack in your ink?

Check your forms, and the stop blocks, if the forms are dropping down into
the cylinder gap, then hitting the lead edge of the plate/ cylinder, you
could be getting some bounce when the forms strike to ride on the plate.

What kind of dampening?  Standard, alcohol, compac?  Try soft water or
alcohol to make the water "wetter".  If compac, again, the main compac
roller should only drop into the cylinder just a tad otherwise, you  
might get some bounce if that roller hits the plate cylinder hard.   
Check  your compac stripe.

How old are your forms?  Maybe time to replace them?

A work around is to strip/burn/camera your plates with the image, a half
inch lower, thus creating an extra half inch on the blanket that the ink
build up has to crawl down.  If many of your runs are short, you might be
able to get away doing this, or at least, wipe the blanket and clean the
lead edge of the plate once every thousand sheets or so.

Greg


On Jan 21, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Michelle at Interior Graphics wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Hi there,
>
> We've come up with a little problem with our AB Dick 9810 press.   
> There is excessive inking on the lead edge of the plate and we're not 
> sure what to adjust to clear it off.  It's on the part of the plate 
> that bends around to attach to the cylinder, which leaves a stripe at 
> the top edge of the sheet.  If you have any suggestions, I'd love to 
> hear them.  Thanks much!
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Michelle Maynor
> "Your Personal Printer"
> Interior Graphics & Printing
> 770 8th Avenue
> Fairbanks, AK 99701
> 907.456.4982 phone
> 907.452.6992 fax
>
> "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the 
> most." - John Ruskin
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners


Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org

Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a
licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider


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From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Mon Jan 21 14:45:02 2008
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Mon Jan 21 14:45:25 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excessive Inking on Plate- AB Dick 9810
In-Reply-To: <39210F8F-20A4-49B9-AE2A-FF94F03E41EB@interiorgraphics.com>
References: <39210F8F-20A4-49B9-AE2A-FF94F03E41EB@interiorgraphics.com>
Message-ID: <006701c85c66$1d97b400$6501a8c0@corapurvine>

On our 8810 we went to a metal plate and increased the fountain solution to
4-1 also Van Son Acrylic Infinity ink and got rid of our toning problem.
Good luck! Hope this helps. 


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michelle at Interior
Graphics
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 12:51 PM
To: Printowners
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excessive Inking on Plate- AB Dick 9810

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Hi there,

We've come up with a little problem with our AB Dick 9810 press.   
There is excessive inking on the lead edge of the plate and we're not sure
what to adjust to clear it off.  It's on the part of the plate that bends
around to attach to the cylinder, which leaves a stripe at the top edge of
the sheet.  If you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.  Thanks
much!


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Michelle Maynor
"Your Personal Printer"
Interior Graphics & Printing
770 8th Avenue
Fairbanks, AK 99701
907.456.4982 phone
907.452.6992 fax

"The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the most."
- John Ruskin



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From greg at pressexpress.org  Mon Jan 21 14:45:32 2008
From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Mon Jan 21 14:46:24 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excessive Inking on Plate- AB Dick 9810
In-Reply-To: <39210F8F-20A4-49B9-AE2A-FF94F03E41EB@interiorgraphics.com>
References: <39210F8F-20A4-49B9-AE2A-FF94F03E41EB@interiorgraphics.com>
Message-ID: <B60550FC-9F54-4722-93F7-AD1CF2F26324@pressexpress.org>

Yikes, there could be many reasons.

Too much tack in your ink?

Check your forms, and the stop blocks, if the forms are dropping down  
into the cylinder gap, then hitting the lead edge of the plate/ 
cylinder, you could be getting some bounce when the forms strike to  
ride on the plate.

What kind of dampening?  Standard, alcohol, compac?  Try soft water or  
alcohol to make the water "wetter".  If compac, again, the main compac  
roller should only drop into the cylinder just a tad otherwise, you  
might get some bounce if that roller hits the plate cylinder hard.   
Check  your compac stripe.

How old are your forms?  Maybe time to replace them?

A work around is to strip/burn/camera your plates with the image, a  
half inch lower, thus creating an extra half inch on the blanket that  
the ink build up has to crawl down.  If many of your runs are short,  
you might be able to get away doing this, or at least, wipe the  
blanket and clean the lead edge of the plate once every thousand  
sheets or so.

Greg


On Jan 21, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Michelle at Interior Graphics wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Hi there,
>
> We've come up with a little problem with our AB Dick 9810 press.   
> There is excessive inking on the lead edge of the plate and we're  
> not sure what to adjust to clear it off.  It's on the part of the  
> plate that bends around to attach to the cylinder, which leaves a  
> stripe at the top edge of the sheet.  If you have any suggestions,  
> I'd love to hear them.  Thanks much!
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Michelle Maynor
> "Your Personal Printer"
> Interior Graphics & Printing
> 770 8th Avenue
> Fairbanks, AK 99701
> 907.456.4982 phone
> 907.452.6992 fax
>
> "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the  
> most." - John Ruskin
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
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From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com  Mon Jan 21 14:48:22 2008
From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn)
Date: Mon Jan 21 14:49:03 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] You Tube Video Humor (Way OFF)
In-Reply-To: <21197994-1FA9-4179-B85E-09D533B3C695@mac.com>
Message-ID: <NCBBLKEPIPMAFICNFNJKAEMEIBAA.bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com>

For those who didn't view the video, do so. It only runs three minutes. The
video has been viewed 20,000 plus times. The guy took a risk because of the
language he used, but on the whole I think this was probably good for his
business. I checked his homepage and indeed the Youtube link is there also,
so he's actively promoting the video.

The world of marketing has been turned upside-down.



Respectfully,



Bernie Bahn  | President | Creative Imaging Inc
1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200  | St. Louis MO 63026

Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 |
bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com

http://www.creativeimaginginc.com <http://www.creativeimaginginc.com/>
Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying


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From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Chuck
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 7:30 AM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] You Tube Video Humor (Way OFF)


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Here is some humor for Monday Morning - it is a real printing company
too!.
Didn't see him at the conference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpAuDrs5ocg

http://tinyurl.com/254jwl

Chuck Pappas
Arlington Swifty Printing
1386 Massachusetts Avenue
Arlington, MA 02476
781-646-8700
www.arlingtonswifty.com
Member: National Association of Quick Printers
Print Industry of New England
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From greg at pressexpress.org  Mon Jan 21 14:49:37 2008
From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Mon Jan 21 14:50:00 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excessive Inking on Plate- AB Dick 9810
In-Reply-To: <39210F8F-20A4-49B9-AE2A-FF94F03E41EB@interiorgraphics.com>
References: <39210F8F-20A4-49B9-AE2A-FF94F03E41EB@interiorgraphics.com>
Message-ID: <5866685C-4003-475D-8A24-15F9197AC543@pressexpress.org>

Another thought, not sure what your volume is, but consider a  
Heidelberg PrintMaster QM2  Solid machine.

Greg


On Jan 21, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Michelle at Interior Graphics wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Hi there,
>
> We've come up with a little problem with our AB Dick 9810 press.   
> There is excessive inking on the lead edge of the plate and we're  
> not sure what to adjust to clear it off.  It's on the part of the  
> plate that bends around to attach to the cylinder, which leaves a  
> stripe at the top edge of the sheet.  If you have any suggestions,  
> I'd love to hear them.  Thanks much!
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Michelle Maynor
> "Your Personal Printer"
> Interior Graphics & Printing
> 770 8th Avenue
> Fairbanks, AK 99701
> 907.456.4982 phone
> 907.452.6992 fax
>
> "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the  
> most." - John Ruskin
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners


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1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org

Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider
Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider


From list at interiorgraphics.com  Mon Jan 21 14:52:46 2008
From: list at interiorgraphics.com (Michelle at Interior Graphics)
Date: Mon Jan 21 14:53:57 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excessive Inking on Plate- AB Dick 9810
In-Reply-To: <006601c85c65$b7f2bcd0$6501a8c0@corapurvine>
References: <39210F8F-20A4-49B9-AE2A-FF94F03E41EB@interiorgraphics.com>
	<06136E93-CB1F-406B-92B2-038BF7176031@pressexpress.org>
	<006601c85c65$b7f2bcd0$6501a8c0@corapurvine>
Message-ID: <762767BE-E5E7-42B8-83E4-B5E604867B96@interiorgraphics.com>

Metal Plates, Kompac dampening system.  I understand that we ordered  
fountain solution from a different company while I was on vacation  
and it's different than the stuff we normally get.  I'm going to have  
him re-mix the solution when he gets back from lunch.
On Jan 21, 2008, at 10:42 AM, Cora Purvine wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Is this a metal or poly plate?
>
>
> Class Act Printing and Foil
> Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
> 5801 W. Juno Ave.
> Wichita, KS 67215-1742
> Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
> cpurvine1@cox.net
> www.ClassActPrinting.biz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:25 PM
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Excessive Inking on Plate- AB Dick 9810
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Yikes, there could be many reasons.
>
> Too much tack in your ink?
>
> Check your forms, and the stop blocks, if the forms are dropping  
> down into
> the cylinder gap, then hitting the lead edge of the plate/  
> cylinder, you
> could be getting some bounce when the forms strike to ride on the  
> plate.
>
> What kind of dampening?  Standard, alcohol, compac?  Try soft water or
> alcohol to make the water "wetter".  If compac, again, the main compac
> roller should only drop into the cylinder just a tad otherwise, you
> might get some bounce if that roller hits the plate cylinder hard.
> Check  your compac stripe.
>
> How old are your forms?  Maybe time to replace them?
>
> A work around is to strip/burn/camera your plates with the image, a  
> half
> inch lower, thus creating an extra half inch on the blanket that  
> the ink
> build up has to crawl down.  If many of your runs are short, you  
> might be
> able to get away doing this, or at least, wipe the blanket and  
> clean the
> lead edge of the plate once every thousand sheets or so.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Michelle at Interior Graphics wrote:
>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> We've come up with a little problem with our AB Dick 9810 press.
>> There is excessive inking on the lead edge of the plate and we're not
>> sure what to adjust to clear it off.  It's on the part of the plate
>> that bends around to attach to the cylinder, which leaves a stripe at
>> the top edge of the sheet.  If you have any suggestions, I'd love to
>> hear them.  Thanks much!
>>
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Michelle Maynor
>> "Your Personal Printer"
>> Interior Graphics & Printing
>> 770 8th Avenue
>> Fairbanks, AK 99701
>> 907.456.4982 phone
>> 907.452.6992 fax
>>
>> "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the
>> most." - John Ruskin
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> PrintOwners Discussion List
>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>
> Press Express
> 1869 N. Stevens St.
> Rhinelander, WI 54501
> Phone 715-362-2828
> Fax 715-369-2828
> info@pressexpress.org
>
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From robin at protypeonline.com  Mon Jan 21 14:56:21 2008
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Mon Jan 21 14:57:10 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Introduction Postcard
Message-ID: <7906591C-7DCA-4F87-AA71-72F7CABA4652@protypeonline.com>

Once again, I find myself needing YOUR help. I have an employee of 5  
years that moved and is still working for me but OUTSIDE as a sales  
rep. in the area where she now resides. I would like to send a direct  
mail postcard, or maybe a letter? to businesses located in her area  
introducing her. Has anyone done something like this before? Anything  
"catchy" or dare I say, "cute"?!
If you have would you be willing to share with me? If not, do you have  
any suggestions?
Robin

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com



From copythatnyc at aol.com  Mon Jan 21 14:57:08 2008
From: copythatnyc at aol.com (copythatnyc@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 21 14:57:43 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excessive Inking on Plate- AB Dick 9810
In-Reply-To: <39210F8F-20A4-49B9-AE2A-FF94F03E41EB@interiorgraphics.com>
References: <39210F8F-20A4-49B9-AE2A-FF94F03E41EB@interiorgraphics.com>
Message-ID: <8CA2A7EF0499AED-D6C-499@Webmail-mg12.sysops.aol.com>

I remember those problems back in the days.? Too much etch or blanket is not tight enough.? I believe I'm in the ball park.

Tommy


-----Original Message-----
From: Michelle at Interior Graphics <list@interiorgraphics.com>
To: Printowners <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 1:51 pm
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excessive Inking on Plate- AB Dick 9810


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****?
?
Hi there,?
?
We've come up with a little problem with our AB Dick 9810 press. There is excessive inking on the lead edge of the plate and we're not sure what to adjust to clear it off. It's on the part of the plate that bends around to attach to the cylinder, which leaves a stripe at the top edge of the sheet. If you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Thanks much!?
?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~?
Michelle Maynor?
"Your Personal Printer"?
Interior Graphics & Printing?
770 8th Avenue?
Fairbanks, AK 99701?
907.456.4982 phone?
907.452.6992 fax?
?
"The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the most." - John Ruskin?
?
?
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From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com  Mon Jan 21 14:59:42 2008
From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo)
Date: Mon Jan 21 15:00:05 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] You Tube Video Humor (Way OFF)
In-Reply-To: <21197994-1FA9-4179-B85E-09D533B3C695@mac.com>
References: <21197994-1FA9-4179-B85E-09D533B3C695@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4794F9AE.8020300@sugarloafprint.com>

Great Video

You got to watch it



Chuck wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Here is some humor for Monday Morning - it is a real printing company 
> too!.
> Didn't see him at the conference.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpAuDrs5ocg
>
> http://tinyurl.com/254jwl
>
> Chuck Pappas
> Arlington Swifty Printing
> 1386 Massachusetts Avenue
> Arlington, MA 02476
> 781-646-8700
> www.arlingtonswifty.com
> Member: National Association of Quick Printers
> Print Industry of New England
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>
>
>
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From copythatnyc at aol.com  Mon Jan 21 15:00:28 2008
From: copythatnyc at aol.com (copythatnyc@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 21 15:00:54 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excessive Inking on Plate- AB Dick 9810
In-Reply-To: <06136E93-CB1F-406B-92B2-038BF7176031@pressexpress.org>
References: <39210F8F-20A4-49B9-AE2A-FF94F03E41EB@interiorgraphics.com>
	<06136E93-CB1F-406B-92B2-038BF7176031@pressexpress.org>
Message-ID: <8CA2A7F67CA126E-D6C-4CB@Webmail-mg12.sysops.aol.com>

Dam that's right.? LOL? I used to calibrate those rollers very 20,000 or so.? Make sure you have a nice line of ink going across

Tommy


-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Weinfurter <greg@pressexpress.org>
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 2:25 pm
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Excessive Inking on Plate- AB Dick 9810


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****?
?
Yikes, there could be many reasons.?
?
Too much tack in your ink??
?
Check your forms, and the stop blocks, if the forms are dropping down into the cylinder gap, then hitting the lead edge of the plate/cylinder, you could be getting some bounce when the forms strike to ride on the plate.?
?
What kind of dampening? Standard, alcohol, compac? Try soft water or alcohol to make the water "wetter". If compac, again, the main compac roller should only drop into the cylinder just a tad otherwise, you might get some bounce if that roller hits the plate cylinder hard. Check your compac stripe.?
?
How old are your forms? Maybe time to replace them??
?
A work around is to strip/burn/camera your plates with the image, a half inch lower, thus creating an extra half inch on the blanket that the ink build up has to crawl down. If many of your runs are short, you might be able to get away doing this, or at least, wipe the blanket and clean the lead edge of the plate once every thousand sheets or so.?
?
Greg?
?
On Jan 21, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Michelle at Interior Graphics wrote:?
?
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****?
>?
> Hi there,?
>?
> We've come up with a little problem with our AB Dick 9810 press. > There is excessive inking on the lead edge of the plate and we're > not sure what to adjust to clear it off. It's on the part of the > plate that bends around to attach to the cylinder, which leaves a > stripe at the top edge of the sheet. If you have any suggestions, > I'd love to hear them. Thanks much!?
>?
>?
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~?
> Michelle Maynor?
> "Your Personal Printer"?
> Interior Graphics & Printing?
> 770 8th Avenue?
> Fairbanks, AK 99701?
> 907.456.4982 phone?
> 907.452.6992 fax?
>?
> "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the > most." - John Ruskin?
>?
>?
>?
> _______________________________________________?
> PrintOwners Discussion List?
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org?
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners?
?
Press Express?
1869 N. Stevens St.?
Rhinelander, WI 54501?
Phone 715-362-2828?
Fax 715-369-2828?
info@pressexpress.org?
?
Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider?
Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider?
?
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Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org?
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From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Mon Jan 21 15:03:46 2008
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Mon Jan 21 15:04:07 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Introduction Postcard
In-Reply-To: <7906591C-7DCA-4F87-AA71-72F7CABA4652@protypeonline.com>
References: <7906591C-7DCA-4F87-AA71-72F7CABA4652@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <006801c85c68$bb1c7e20$6501a8c0@corapurvine>

Our roots might not be here, but our branch is! Just a first thought<G> 


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:56 PM
To: printowners printowners
Subject: [PrintOwners] Introduction Postcard

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Once again, I find myself needing YOUR help. I have an employee of 5 years
that moved and is still working for me but OUTSIDE as a sales rep. in the
area where she now resides. I would like to send a direct mail postcard, or
maybe a letter? to businesses located in her area introducing her. Has
anyone done something like this before? Anything "catchy" or dare I say,
"cute"?!
If you have would you be willing to share with me? If not, do you have any
suggestions?
Robin

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com



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From Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com  Mon Jan 21 15:09:30 2008
From: Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com (Gerry Engelhart)
Date: Mon Jan 21 15:10:04 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Variable data question
Message-ID: <200801211409814.SM05572@Engelhart>

We are trying to do  a variable data job and have run into a snag
 
the job is for 4 x 6 postcards.  We want to print 4 up on a 8.5x14 
and imprint with the address info
 
Our digital guru is having trouble making it happen
 
Can any help with advice or technical info
 
thanks
 
Gerry
 
Gerry Engelhart
Porath Printsource
21000 Miles Parkway
Cleveland,Ohio 44128
216-626-0060
 
From char at themasterspress.com  Mon Jan 21 15:11:23 2008
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Mon Jan 21 15:12:06 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] You Tube Video Humor (Way OFF)
In-Reply-To: <4794F9AE.8020300@sugarloafprint.com>
References: <21197994-1FA9-4179-B85E-09D533B3C695@mac.com>
	<4794F9AE.8020300@sugarloafprint.com>
Message-ID: <00b101c85c69$d8e18940$0b01a8c0@CharXP>

It is pretty good.  And I can see where he would get a lot of promo for it.
People laughing and passing it around.  But I have to say if I was a
customer wanting to go there, using that kind of language in a promo would
be enough for me NOT to do my business there.  It would have been more
effective to do the same and leave out the language.  Who wouldn't want
20,000 people looking at your company.  But who would go there to BUY.
ch

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Sardo
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:00 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] You Tube Video Humor (Way OFF)

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Great Video

You got to watch it


From slb at inkspot.net  Mon Jan 21 15:15:41 2008
From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman)
Date: Mon Jan 21 15:16:43 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Variable data question
In-Reply-To: <200801211409814.SM05572@Engelhart>
Message-ID: <4794B71D.28144.282EBDD1@slb.inkspot.net>

What software are you using? If it's FusionPro, give me a call and 
I'll walk you through the imposition setup. Otherwise, "it 
depends..."

Steve


> 
> We are trying to do  a variable data job and have run into a snag
>  
> the job is for 4 x 6 postcards.  We want to print 4 up on a 8.5x14 
> and imprint with the address info
>  
> Our digital guru is having trouble making it happen
>  
> Can any help with advice or technical info
>  
> thanks
>  
> Gerry
>  
> Gerry Engelhart
> Porath Printsource
> 21000 Miles Parkway
> Cleveland,Ohio 44128
> 216-626-0060
>  
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Fax: 610-647-4560

From mail at myprinter.biz  Mon Jan 21 15:18:13 2008
From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz)
Date: Mon Jan 21 15:21:03 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Introduction Postcard
In-Reply-To: <006801c85c68$bb1c7e20$6501a8c0@corapurvine>
Message-ID: <BEEIIPIOGLPLKIAABOLAGEEEFIAA.mail@myprinter.biz>

Cora -

Bravo!

You can write ad copy for me anytime.

Dan
Sir Speedy Printing Center
5845 Hollywood Boulevard
Hollywood, FL 33021
tel. 954.962.1309
fax 954.962.1366
dan@myprinter.biz
www.myprinter.biz


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Cora Purvine
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 3:04 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Introduction Postcard


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Our roots might not be here, but our branch is! Just a first thought<G> 


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
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-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:56 PM
To: printowners printowners
Subject: [PrintOwners] Introduction Postcard

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Once again, I find myself needing YOUR help. I have an employee of 5 years
that moved and is still working for me but OUTSIDE as a sales rep. in the
area where she now resides. I would like to send a direct mail postcard, or
maybe a letter? to businesses located in her area introducing her. Has
anyone done something like this before? Anything "catchy" or dare I say,
"cute"?!
If you have would you be willing to share with me? If not, do you have any
suggestions?
Robin

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Paxton, IL 60957
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From char at themasterspress.com  Mon Jan 21 15:21:08 2008
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Mon Jan 21 15:22:04 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excessive Inking on Plate- AB Dick 9810
In-Reply-To: <8CA2A7F67CA126E-D6C-4CB@Webmail-mg12.sysops.aol.com>
References: <39210F8F-20A4-49B9-AE2A-FF94F03E41EB@interiorgraphics.com><06136E93-CB1F-406B-92B2-038BF7176031@pressexpress.org>
	<8CA2A7F67CA126E-D6C-4CB@Webmail-mg12.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <00b501c85c6b$378ad2c0$0b01a8c0@CharXP>

Tommy your signature line is not on your emails again.  Don't know who you
are.  :-)
ch

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of copythatnyc@aol.com
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:00 PM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Excessive Inking on Plate- AB Dick 9810

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Dam that's right.? LOL? I used to calibrate those rollers very 20,000 or
so.? Make sure you have a nice line of ink going across

Tommy


-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Weinfurter <greg@pressexpress.org>
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 2:25 pm
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Excessive Inking on Plate- AB Dick 9810


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****?
?
Yikes, there could be many reasons.?
?
Too much tack in your ink??
?
Check your forms, and the stop blocks, if the forms are dropping down into
the cylinder gap, then hitting the lead edge of the plate/cylinder, you
could be getting some bounce when the forms strike to ride on the plate.?
?
What kind of dampening? Standard, alcohol, compac? Try soft water or alcohol
to make the water "wetter". If compac, again, the main compac roller should
only drop into the cylinder just a tad otherwise, you might get some bounce
if that roller hits the plate cylinder hard. Check your compac stripe.?
?
How old are your forms? Maybe time to replace them??
?
A work around is to strip/burn/camera your plates with the image, a half
inch lower, thus creating an extra half inch on the blanket that the ink
build up has to crawl down. If many of your runs are short, you might be
able to get away doing this, or at least, wipe the blanket and clean the
lead edge of the plate once every thousand sheets or so.?
?
Greg?
?
On Jan 21, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Michelle at Interior Graphics wrote:?
?
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****?
>?
> Hi there,?
>?
> We've come up with a little problem with our AB Dick 9810 press. > There
is excessive inking on the lead edge of the plate and we're > not sure what
to adjust to clear it off. It's on the part of the > plate that bends around
to attach to the cylinder, which leaves a > stripe at the top edge of the
sheet. If you have any suggestions, > I'd love to hear them. Thanks much!?
>?
>?
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~?
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From list at interiorgraphics.com  Mon Jan 21 15:26:35 2008
From: list at interiorgraphics.com (Michelle at Interior Graphics)
Date: Mon Jan 21 15:27:17 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Variable data question
In-Reply-To: <200801211409814.SM05572@Engelhart>
References: <200801211409814.SM05572@Engelhart>
Message-ID: <378C9655-E4CF-4FB1-B9F8-F6E5947C1FE5@interiorgraphics.com>

Hey Gerry -

I use InDesign for data merge because I haven't gotten to the point  
where I have the fancy software yet.  I'll give your "guru" a call  
and help him out with it.  I'm not so good at explaining things in  
writing....


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Michelle Maynor
"Your Personal Printer"
Interior Graphics & Printing
770 8th Avenue
Fairbanks, AK 99701
907.456.4982 phone
907.452.6992 fax

"The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the  
most." - John Ruskin



On Jan 21, 2008, at 11:09 AM, Gerry Engelhart wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> We are trying to do  a variable data job and have run into a snag
>
> the job is for 4 x 6 postcards.  We want to print 4 up on a 8.5x14
> and imprint with the address info
>
> Our digital guru is having trouble making it happen
>
> Can any help with advice or technical info
>
> thanks
>
> Gerry
>
> Gerry Engelhart
> Porath Printsource
> 21000 Miles Parkway
> Cleveland,Ohio 44128
> 216-626-0060
>
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From nbaker at perfpress.com  Mon Jan 21 15:34:32 2008
From: nbaker at perfpress.com (Nate Baker)
Date: Mon Jan 21 15:34:53 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Back into the Fold
In-Reply-To: <20080121191043.D80DED8AE6A@rb.enter.net>
References: <20080121191043.D80DED8AE6A@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <BA9C36BB-EBF0-4DE2-A472-57FF8E75F936@perfpress.com>

I rejoined the group a few weeks ago after having been away for quite  
awhile. This morning I tried to restart my access to the archives but  
found it wasn't working. Did they go away?


Thanks,

Nate Baker
Perfection Press, Inc.
18009 Skypark Circle, Suite E
Irvine, CA 92614
949-862-7482 direct
949-862-7484 fax
nbaker@perfpress.com


From yaakov at sparkdirectny.com  Mon Jan 21 15:38:31 2008
From: yaakov at sparkdirectny.com (Yaakov Reshef)
Date: Mon Jan 21 15:39:18 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] You Tube Video Humor (Way OFF)
Message-ID: <E6E085F51F901F479BEBD4C3D4D18370161E12@server1.DISCNYC.COM>

Charlene,
I agree with you 100%.
I will not even consider using it. not only because of the language. We
try to transform ourselves to a marketing/communication services
provider, we do consultative selling, this is not the image we are
looking for.

Yaakov Reshef
SPARK Direct * Kwik Kopy Printing
Marketing * Printing * Solutions

7 East 37th Street-NYC-10016
Tel:  212-328-2001
Fax: 212-328-2007(new number)
yaakov@Sparkdirectny.com 
www.sparkdirectny.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 3:11 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] You Tube Video Humor (Way OFF)

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

It is pretty good.  And I can see where he would get a lot of promo for
it.
People laughing and passing it around.  But I have to say if I was a
customer wanting to go there, using that kind of language in a promo
would
be enough for me NOT to do my business there.  It would have been more
effective to do the same and leave out the language.  Who wouldn't want
20,000 people looking at your company.  But who would go there to BUY.
ch

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Sardo
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:00 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] You Tube Video Humor (Way OFF)

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Great Video

You got to watch it


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From sgfinke at fuse.net  Mon Jan 21 15:38:55 2008
From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke)
Date: Mon Jan 21 15:40:02 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] You Tube Video Humor (Way OFF)
In-Reply-To: <00b101c85c69$d8e18940$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
References: <21197994-1FA9-4179-B85E-09D533B3C695@mac.com>
	<4794F9AE.8020300@sugarloafprint.com>
	<00b101c85c69$d8e18940$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
Message-ID: <94C0E3F7-3096-4D07-9875-CD7698D2F1F7@fuse.net>


Designers would love it. If they market to lots of designers, they  
have hit exactly the right note.

It reminds me of the Potlatch Paper (are they still around?) "Ben  
Day" black and white movie . Has anyone ever seen that? It was a huge  
hit with designers. It was a movie about a fictional designer who  
sort of made a deal with the devil and became a guru who could tell  
clients anything. He put geese in his designs, for instance, because  
"I have a certain fondness for geese." It ended with a lounge singer  
doing a song about all the Potlatch papers.

This is definitely in that tradition, and I predict it will be shown  
at design conferences.

Gail Finke
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc.	
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Cincinnati, OH 45231
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(513) 522-2679
Fax 522-2692
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On Jan 21, 2008, at 3:11 PM, Charlene Sims wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> It is pretty good.  And I can see where he would get a lot of promo  
> for it.
> People laughing and passing it around.  But I have to say if I was a
> customer wanting to go there, using that kind of language in a  
> promo would
> be enough for me NOT to do my business there.  It would have been more
> effective to do the same and leave out the language.  Who wouldn't  
> want
> 20,000 people looking at your company.  But who would go there to BUY.
> ch
>
> Charlene Sims
>
> The Master's Press, Inc
> 14550 Midway Road
> Dallas, Tx  75244
> 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
> char@themasterspress.com
> www.themasterspress.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Sardo
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:00 PM
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] You Tube Video Humor (Way OFF)
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Great Video
>
> You got to watch it
>
>
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From dominick at fmtc.com  Mon Jan 21 15:41:16 2008
From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing)
Date: Mon Jan 21 15:41:53 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] You Tube Video Humor (Way OFF)
In-Reply-To: <NCBBLKEPIPMAFICNFNJKAEMEIBAA.bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com>
References: <NCBBLKEPIPMAFICNFNJKAEMEIBAA.bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com>
Message-ID: <4795036C.5080907@fmtc.com>

Bernie,
Your right. He did a good job.
Only thing he missed was... "we do not have gremlins working at night".

Loved the ending, he needed a "tear" in his eye tho....

Joe Dominick

Dominick's Quality Printing
542 W. Idaho Avenue
Ontario Oregon 97914
541.881.1121
Fax 541.881.1599

www.dominicksprinting.com
dominick@fmtc.com

Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider
Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here!

Bernard Bahn wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> For those who didn't view the video, do so. It only runs three minutes. The
> video has been viewed 20,000 plus times. The guy took a risk because of the
> language he used, but on the whole I think this was probably good for his
> business. I checked his homepage and indeed the Youtube link is there also,
> so he's actively promoting the video.
>
> The world of marketing has been turned upside-down.
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> Bernie Bahn  | President | Creative Imaging Inc
> 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200  | St. Louis MO 63026
>
> Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 |
> bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com
>
> http://www.creativeimaginginc.com <http://www.creativeimaginginc.com/>
> Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Chuck
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 7:30 AM
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> Subject: [PrintOwners] You Tube Video Humor (Way OFF)
>
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Here is some humor for Monday Morning - it is a real printing company
> too!.
> Didn't see him at the conference.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpAuDrs5ocg
>
> http://tinyurl.com/254jwl
>
> Chuck Pappas
> Arlington Swifty Printing
> 1386 Massachusetts Avenue
> Arlington, MA 02476
> 781-646-8700
> www.arlingtonswifty.com
> Member: National Association of Quick Printers
> Print Industry of New England
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From ahavens at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 21 15:51:58 2008
From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop)
Date: Mon Jan 21 15:52:53 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Variable data question
References: <200801211409814.SM05572@Engelhart>
Message-ID: <011f01c85c6f$77717a70$0301a8c0@Leah>

Welcome to the club, Gerry,
We have been running name and address fill ins for about a year now. I have 
tried to run multiple up but had to settle for one up on a Epson Stylus C88. 
Works very slick. We are currently using Publisher Mail Merge. Maybe there 
are other programs which allow multiple up.
If this would work, wouldn't you have sequential names on the four separate 
cards that would have to be integrated after cutting apart?
Our jobs are only up to a few thousand each.

Austin Havens, Owner
Havens Printing & Copy Shop
200 N Main
McPherson, KS 67460
620-241-5400
ahavens@sbcglobal.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerry Engelhart" <Gerrye@PorathPrintSource.com>
To: <printowners@printweb.org>
Cc: "'John Hexter'" <johnh@porathprintsource.com>; 
<bobd@porathprintsource.com>
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:09 PM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Variable data question


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> We are trying to do  a variable data job and have run into a snag
>
> the job is for 4 x 6 postcards.  We want to print 4 up on a 8.5x14
> and imprint with the address info
>
> Our digital guru is having trouble making it happen
>
> Can any help with advice or technical info
>
> thanks
>
> Gerry
>
> Gerry Engelhart
> Porath Printsource
> 21000 Miles Parkway
> Cleveland,Ohio 44128
> 216-626-0060
>
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From bob at quickerprinter.com  Mon Jan 21 16:04:40 2008
From: bob at quickerprinter.com (R Lavarnway)
Date: Mon Jan 21 16:05:26 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] You Tube Video Humor (Way OFF)
References: <21197994-1FA9-4179-B85E-09D533B3C695@mac.com>
Message-ID: <004101c85c71$3ee19490$6701a8c0@pc3>

Great Video!
My wife and I often joke that a lot of our customers must think the "Print 
Fairies" must come in at night to print the job they ordered yesterday. 
H'mm, that would make an interesting video.


Bob LaVarnway
QP Printing and Mailing
Elmira, NY  14901


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck" <swiftyprinting@mac.com>
To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 8:29 AM
Subject: [PrintOwners] You Tube Video Humor (Way OFF)


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Here is some humor for Monday Morning - it is a real printing company 
> too!.
> Didn't see him at the conference.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpAuDrs5ocg
>
> http://tinyurl.com/254jwl
>
> Chuck Pappas
> Arlington Swifty Printing
> 1386 Massachusetts Avenue
> Arlington, MA 02476
> 781-646-8700
> www.arlingtonswifty.com
> Member: National Association of Quick Printers
> Print Industry of New England
> GATF
> Adobe Service Network
> Quark Alliance
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>
>
>
>
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From copythatnyc at aol.com  Mon Jan 21 16:42:06 2008
From: copythatnyc at aol.com (copythatnyc@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 21 16:42:33 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excessive Inking on Plate- AB Dick 9810
In-Reply-To: <00b501c85c6b$378ad2c0$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
References: <39210F8F-20A4-49B9-AE2A-FF94F03E41EB@interiorgraphics.com><06136E93-CB1F-406B-92B2-038BF7176031@pressexpress.org>	<8CA2A7F67CA126E-D6C-4CB@Webmail-mg12.sysops.aol.com>
	<00b501c85c6b$378ad2c0$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
Message-ID: <8CA2A8D99EE90BB-152C-1452@MBLK-M21.sysops.aol.com>


Charlene sorry?dear,



Tommy



Copy That, Inc.
"Where the only thing you can't copy is our service"
3515 E. Tremont Ave
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
718.892.1859
718.892.2315 Fax:
www.copythatnyc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlene Sims <char@themasterspress.com>
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 3:21 pm
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Excessive Inking on Plate- AB Dick 9810




***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Tommy your signature line is not on your emails again.  Don't know who you
are.  :-)
ch

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of copythatnyc@aol.com
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:00 PM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Excessive Inking on Plate- AB Dick 9810

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Dam that's right.? LOL? I used to calibrate those rollers very 20,000 or
so.? Make sure you have a nice line of ink going across

Tommy


-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Weinfurter <greg@pressexpress.org>
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 2:25 pm
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Excessive Inking on Plate- AB Dick 9810


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****?
?
Yikes, there could be many reasons.?
?
Too much tack in your ink??
?
Check your forms, and the stop blocks, if the forms are dropping down into
the cylinder gap, then hitting the lead edge of the plate/cylinder, you
could be getting some bounce when the forms strike to ride on the plate.?
?
What kind of dampening? Standard, alcohol, compac? Try soft water or alcohol
to make the water "wetter". If compac, again, the main compac roller should
only drop into the cylinder just a tad otherwise, you might get some bounce
if that roller hits the plate cylinder hard. Check your compac stripe.?
?
How old are your forms? Maybe time to replace them??
?
A work around is to strip/burn/camera your plates with the image, a half
inch lower, thus creating an extra half inch on the blanket that the ink
build up has to crawl down. If many of your runs are short, you might be
able to get away doing this, or at least, wipe the blanket and clean the
lead edge of the plate once every thousand sheets or so.?
?
Greg?
?
On Jan 21, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Michelle at Interior Graphics wrote:?
?
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****?
>?
> Hi there,?
>?
> We've come up with a little problem with our AB Dick 9810 press. > There
is excessive inking on the lead edge of the plate and we're > not sure what
to adjust to clear it off. It's on the part of the > plate that bends around
to attach to the cylinder, which leaves a > stripe at the top edge of the
sheet. If you have any suggestions, > I'd love to hear them. Thanks much!?
>?
>?
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~?
> Michelle Maynor?
> "Your Personal Printer"?
> Interior Graphics & Printing?
> 770 8th Avenue?
> Fairbanks, AK 99701?
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From zapit at zapcolor.com  Mon Jan 21 16:45:24 2008
From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez)
Date: Mon Jan 21 16:46:26 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Plane Crash In Corona
In-Reply-To: <20080121204003.9B636D8B7F7@rb.enter.net>
References: <20080121204003.9B636D8B7F7@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <ABAF449A-EF13-4199-8B8F-FD00FEAA6162@zapcolor.com>

Well I assume most of you saw our city on the news last night/this  
morning?

We had 2 planes collide mid-air and fall into a couple of car dealers,  
unfortunately one person on the ground was killed when a relatively  
small part of the landing gear went thru the roof and killed him at a  
desk, working on a computer, on his day off.

Our airport is a small, visual flight airport, John S. would know the  
terminology, but we do not have a control tower. It was late in the  
afternoon, perfect weather, and probably one of the pilots had the sun  
in his eyes.

We will know more info later today, NTSB is on scene. I was there for  
a couple of hours last night as my part time job as council member  
now, no longer Mayor, working with the business owner of another car  
dealership to use their facility for staging.

Our son is a police officer and was one of the first on scene  
yesterday, it was his 2nd or 3rd plane crash since joining the force,  
he is the officer in the 2nd photo:
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local&id=5903592

Our next step is to decide on the need for a control tower, but our  
airport is home to alot of experimental and homebuilt planes.

>

Eugene Montanez
ZAP Printing & Graphics
127 Radio Rd
Corona, CA 92879
951-734-8181

Zapit@zapcolor.com




From prtquick at eos.net  Mon Jan 21 16:59:10 2008
From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke)
Date: Mon Jan 21 16:58:22 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] You Tube Video Humor (Way OFF)
In-Reply-To: <4795036C.5080907@fmtc.com>
References: <NCBBLKEPIPMAFICNFNJKAEMEIBAA.bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com>
	<4795036C.5080907@fmtc.com>
Message-ID: <E168FDA9-4261-45E9-A7AD-EEF02B0BA0ED@eos.net>

My staff loved it. BUT No one cried when our rush job went out today...

The language was a bit raw I guess, but not bad if you listen to  
youtube a lot. This is for a younger demographic - (this is how I  
know I am getting old!) but the younger, hipper people (who you would  
market a youtube video to) would "get it" and not think he's  
personally obscene. They'd see it as a performance. There is  
different level of what I'd call 'conversational obscenity' on other  
internet lists I read that have younger folks on them.

It's also probably a lot funnier if you know the guy!! I doubt he's  
that melodramatic in real life!

(My favorite part is his son -that looks like my boy!)


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On Jan 21, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Dominick's Printing wrote:

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>
> Bernie,
> Your right. He did a good job.
> Only thing he missed was... "we do not have gremlins working at  
> night".
>
> Loved the ending, he needed a "tear" in his eye tho....
>
> Joe Dominick
>
> Dominick's Quality Printing
> 542 W. Idaho Avenue
> Ontario Oregon 97914
> 541.881.1121
> Fax 541.881.1599
>
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> Bernard Bahn wrote:
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> For those who didn't view the video, do so. It only runs three  
>> minutes. The
>> video has been viewed 20,000 plus times. The guy took a risk  
>> because of the
>> language he used, but on the whole I think this was probably good  
>> for his
>> business. I checked his homepage and indeed the Youtube link is  
>> there also,
>> so he's actively promoting the video.
>>
>> The world of marketing has been turned upside-down.
>>
>>
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>>
>>
>> Bernie Bahn  | President | Creative Imaging Inc
>> 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200  | St. Louis MO 63026
>>
>> Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 |
>> bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com
>>
>> http://www.creativeimaginginc.com <http:// 
>> www.creativeimaginginc.com/>
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>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
>> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Chuck
>> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 7:30 AM
>> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
>> Subject: [PrintOwners] You Tube Video Humor (Way OFF)
>>
>>
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>>
>> Here is some humor for Monday Morning - it is a real printing company
>> too!.
>> Didn't see him at the conference.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpAuDrs5ocg
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/254jwl
>>
>> Chuck Pappas
>> Arlington Swifty Printing
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From char at themasterspress.com  Mon Jan 21 17:14:29 2008
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Mon Jan 21 17:14:51 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Plane Crash In Corona
In-Reply-To: <ABAF449A-EF13-4199-8B8F-FD00FEAA6162@zapcolor.com>
References: <20080121204003.9B636D8B7F7@rb.enter.net>
	<ABAF449A-EF13-4199-8B8F-FD00FEAA6162@zapcolor.com>
Message-ID: <00e401c85c7a$fedb2780$0b01a8c0@CharXP>

I heard that this morning and was wondering if you were there.  That is sad.

Quite a mess.  Thanks for the photos.  
ch

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Montanez
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 3:45 PM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] Plane Crash In Corona

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Well I assume most of you saw our city on the news last night/this  
morning?

We had 2 planes collide mid-air and fall into a couple of car dealers,  
unfortunately one person on the ground was killed when a relatively  
small part of the landing gear went thru the roof and killed him at a  
desk, working on a computer, on his day off.

Our airport is a small, visual flight airport, John S. would know the  
terminology, but we do not have a control tower. It was late in the  
afternoon, perfect weather, and probably one of the pilots had the sun  
in his eyes.

We will know more info later today, NTSB is on scene. I was there for  
a couple of hours last night as my part time job as council member  
now, no longer Mayor, working with the business owner of another car  
dealership to use their facility for staging.

Our son is a police officer and was one of the first on scene  
yesterday, it was his 2nd or 3rd plane crash since joining the force,  
he is the officer in the 2nd photo:
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local&id=5903592

Our next step is to decide on the need for a control tower, but our  
airport is home to alot of experimental and homebuilt planes.

>

Eugene Montanez
ZAP Printing & Graphics
127 Radio Rd
Corona, CA 92879
951-734-8181

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From gamble at choiceonemail.com  Mon Jan 21 17:16:12 2008
From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird)
Date: Mon Jan 21 17:16:33 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Introduction Postcard
In-Reply-To: <006801c85c68$bb1c7e20$6501a8c0@corapurvine>
References: <7906591C-7DCA-4F87-AA71-72F7CABA4652@protypeonline.com>
	<006801c85c68$bb1c7e20$6501a8c0@corapurvine>
Message-ID: <063c01c85c7b$3b3dd560$0301a8c0@RICK>

Allow us to extend an Olive Branch and introduce our newest salesman

We Design, Print and Mail...You concentrate on your Business



Rick Bird
Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc.
3649 California Road
Orchard Park, NY 14127
(716) 662-1515
(716) 662-5917 - Fax
gamble@choiceonemail.com - email


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Purvine
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 3:04 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Introduction Postcard

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Our roots might not be here, but our branch is! Just a first thought<G> 


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:56 PM
To: printowners printowners
Subject: [PrintOwners] Introduction Postcard

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Once again, I find myself needing YOUR help. I have an employee of 5 years
that moved and is still working for me but OUTSIDE as a sales rep. in the
area where she now resides. I would like to send a direct mail postcard, or
maybe a letter? to businesses located in her area introducing her. Has
anyone done something like this before? Anything "catchy" or dare I say,
"cute"?!
If you have would you be willing to share with me? If not, do you have any
suggestions?
Robin

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
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From dominick at fmtc.com  Mon Jan 21 17:24:31 2008
From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing)
Date: Mon Jan 21 17:24:54 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Plane Crash In Corona
In-Reply-To: <ABAF449A-EF13-4199-8B8F-FD00FEAA6162@zapcolor.com>
References: <20080121204003.9B636D8B7F7@rb.enter.net>
	<ABAF449A-EF13-4199-8B8F-FD00FEAA6162@zapcolor.com>
Message-ID: <47951B9F.8000101@fmtc.com>

No, I did not see the news. Wow, sorry man.

We also have an airport without a tower, and the GM refuses to post when 
the runway is icy. I will forward this to him, maybe he will take notice.

Joe Dominick

Dominick's Quality Printing
542 W. Idaho Avenue
Ontario Oregon 97914
541.881.1121
Fax 541.881.1599

www.dominicksprinting.com
dominick@fmtc.com

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Eugene Montanez wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Well I assume most of you saw our city on the news last night/this 
> morning?
>
> We had 2 planes collide mid-air and fall into a couple of car dealers, 
> unfortunately one person on the ground was killed when a relatively 
> small part of the landing gear went thru the roof and killed him at a 
> desk, working on a computer, on his day off.
>
> Our airport is a small, visual flight airport, John S. would know the 
> terminology, but we do not have a control tower. It was late in the 
> afternoon, perfect weather, and probably one of the pilots had the sun 
> in his eyes.
>
> We will know more info later today, NTSB is on scene. I was there for 
> a couple of hours last night as my part time job as council member 
> now, no longer Mayor, working with the business owner of another car 
> dealership to use their facility for staging.
>
> Our son is a police officer and was one of the first on scene 
> yesterday, it was his 2nd or 3rd plane crash since joining the force, 
> he is the officer in the 2nd photo:
> http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local&id=5903592
>
> Our next step is to decide on the need for a control tower, but our 
> airport is home to alot of experimental and homebuilt planes.
>
>>
>
> Eugene Montanez
> ZAP Printing & Graphics
> 127 Radio Rd
> Corona, CA 92879
> 951-734-8181
>
> Zapit@zapcolor.com
>
>
>
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From sos at olympus.net  Mon Jan 21 17:25:01 2008
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Mon Jan 21 17:25:25 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Plane Crash In Corona
References: <20080121204003.9B636D8B7F7@rb.enter.net><ABAF449A-EF13-4199-8B8F-FD00FEAA6162@zapcolor.com>
	<00e401c85c7a$fedb2780$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
Message-ID: <0da001c85c7c$76c3e970$6900a8c0@DANIEL>


> We had 2 planes collide mid-air and fall into a couple of car dealers,
==================

Why is every little plane crash such big news?  How many car crashes have 
you had down there?  How come they're not on the news?  We had a crash up 
here the other day, a tree blew over and smashed into a car.  One fatality. 
My cousin's mother-in-law as a matter of fact.  Did that make the national 
news.  Nope.  How often do flying trees hit a car head on?  You'd think 
that'd be big news.

As a pilot, I always cringe at the news of a crash. And always lament how 
out of proportion the news is.

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860 


From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Mon Jan 21 18:31:29 2008
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Mon Jan 21 18:31:43 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Variable data question
In-Reply-To: <011f01c85c6f$77717a70$0301a8c0@Leah>
References: <200801211409814.SM05572@Engelhart>
	<011f01c85c6f$77717a70$0301a8c0@Leah>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0801211531n58b5f100peb38b1284f6d6a69@mail.gmail.com>

On Jan 21, 2008 3:51 PM, Havens Printing and Copy Shop
<ahavens@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Maybe there
> are other programs which allow multiple up.
> If this would work, wouldn't you have sequential names on the four separate
> cards that would have to be integrated after cutting apart?


Maybe in Publisher, Austin, but not in any of the software made for
this purpose. We use PrintShop Mail, for instance. No problem at all
running multiple up and choosing the sequencing pattern. We've been
shifting the lion's share our our addressing for mailing from offline
inkjet to merge while printing, and always as many-up as we can fit.


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com
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From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Mon Jan 21 18:41:07 2008
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 21 18:41:33 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Plane Crash In Corona
Message-ID: <d40.20bd0a43.34c68793@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/21/2008 4:47:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
zapit@zapcolor.com writes:

Our  airport is a small, visual flight airport, John S. would know the   
terminology, but we do not have a control tower. It was late in the   
afternoon, perfect weather, and probably one of the pilots had the  sun  
in his eyes.


Our next step is to decide on the need  for a control tower, but our  
airport is home to alot of experimental  and homebuilt planes.
 
Let me chime in for a moment. I know there are a few other pilots on this  
list as well but the press is so bad about reporting airplane accidents that I  
want to clarify a few things....The vast majority of airports in the country 
do  not have a control tower. An airport does not have to have an operating 
tower  for flights under IFR rules to land and take-off. 
 
The controller's in the tower provide take-off and landing clearances,  etc. 
BUT they are not responsible for aircraft separation, definitely not in VFR  
(Visual Flight Rules), which means minimum of 3,000' ceilings and 5 miles  
visibility. Pilots are solely responsible for maintaining separation from each  
other. Sure, if the controller sees something he will advise, but that is  
secondary to the pilot's responsibility of seeing and being seen
 
The ability or inability to see another aircraft, especially when it blends  
in with the terrain is and always will be a challenge. The odds of aircraft  
colliding with each other, although always very slight considering the "big 
sky"  theory, tend to diminish the closer you get to an airport as aircraft all 
tend  to converge down to pattern altitude and enter a well-defined pattern.
 
Plain and simple, control towers don't necessarily increase or guarantee a  
higher level of safety. They will almost assuredly, however, increase traffic 
to  and from that airport because many corporations will not allow their 
corporate  aircraft to fly into airports lacking a control tower.
 
It remains to be seen what the NTSB will find but they will be thorough and  
probably release their findings in 6-9 months. Speculation as to the cause is  
just that - speculation.

 
John  Stewart
The Quick Consultant
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
321-727-2442
FAX  321-727-2166
Cell: 321-794-6259
2110 S. Dairy Road 
West Melbourne, FL  32904

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From craig at newhavenprint.com  Mon Jan 21 18:45:13 2008
From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger)
Date: Mon Jan 21 18:42:16 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Variable data question
In-Reply-To: <200801211409814.SM05572@Engelhart>
Message-ID: <20080121234214.B476BD8C157@rb.enter.net>

Like others have said, the least expensive way to get into this is with
Printable's Fusion Pro Desktop. It's a pdf based system and actually can do
a lot. When you run postcards 4-up, you can specify how large your cutter
lifts are so that you can cut a lift at a time and just stack them on top of
each other. You could do it the looong way with InDesign and building a
custom sequence order in Excell, but that would be a pain.

Just get Fusion Pro. Won't take too many jobs to pay for itself.  And it's
easy enough to use, you can download the software, get an activation code
over the phone and have your first job done in a couple hours (if you have a
good geek to figure it out).

Craig Dellinger 
New Haven Print & Copy
7531 US 930 East
Fort Wayne, IN 46803
260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579
www.newhavenprint.com

 
> 
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> 
> We are trying to do  a variable data job and have run into a snag
>  
> the job is for 4 x 6 postcards.  We want to print 4 up on a 
> 8.5x14 and imprint with the address info
>  
> Our digital guru is having trouble making it happen
>  
> Can any help with advice or technical info
>  
> thanks
>  
> Gerry
>  
> Gerry Engelhart
> Porath Printsource
> 21000 Miles Parkway
> Cleveland,Ohio 44128
> 216-626-0060
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From slb at inkspot.net  Mon Jan 21 18:50:03 2008
From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman)
Date: Mon Jan 21 18:50:22 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] You Tube Video Humor (Way OFF)
In-Reply-To: <004101c85c71$3ee19490$6701a8c0@pc3>
Message-ID: <4794E95B.5189.28F30150@slb.inkspot.net>

> Great Video!
> My wife and I often joke that a lot of our customers must think the "Print 
> Fairies" must come in at night to print the job they ordered yesterday. 
> H'mm, that would make an interesting video.
> 
> 
Be careful with that one....I don't think you can discriminate on 
that basis, and I don't think that term is considered "politically 
correct" any more. <g>

Steve

Steve Blatman
Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
Tel: 610-647-0776
Fax: 610-647-4560

From slb at inkspot.net  Mon Jan 21 18:58:29 2008
From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman)
Date: Mon Jan 21 18:58:58 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Variable data question
In-Reply-To: <011f01c85c6f$77717a70$0301a8c0@Leah>
Message-ID: <4794EB55.21631.28FAB748@slb.inkspot.net>

Actually, Fusion Pro's imposition module is kind of slick on this 
point. You can tell it that you want, say, stacks of 200 sheets, and 
your first 200 (of a 4-up setup) will have numbers 1-200, 201-400, 
401-600, and 601-800 in the four positions, the next 200 sheets will 
have numbers 801-1000, 1001-1200, 1201-1400, and 1401-1600, and so 
on. That way, you just have to sort out the stacks (which is easy if 
you've printed a sequence number on each piece), cut, and stack. I 
imagine the more expensive solutions (like Print Shop Mail) can do 
the same.

HTH,
Steve


> 
> Welcome to the club, Gerry,
> We have been running name and address fill ins for about a year now. I have 
> tried to run multiple up but had to settle for one up on a Epson Stylus C88. 
> Works very slick. We are currently using Publisher Mail Merge. Maybe there 
> are other programs which allow multiple up.
> If this would work, wouldn't you have sequential names on the four separate 
> cards that would have to be integrated after cutting apart?
> Our jobs are only up to a few thousand each.
> 
> Austin Havens, Owner
> Havens Printing & Copy Shop
> 200 N Main
> McPherson, KS 67460
> 620-241-5400
> ahavens@sbcglobal.net
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gerry Engelhart" <Gerrye@PorathPrintSource.com>
> To: <printowners@printweb.org>
> Cc: "'John Hexter'" <johnh@porathprintsource.com>; 
> <bobd@porathprintsource.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:09 PM
> Subject: [PrintOwners] Variable data question
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> > We are trying to do  a variable data job and have run into a snag
> >
> > the job is for 4 x 6 postcards.  We want to print 4 up on a 8.5x14
> > and imprint with the address info
> >
> > Our digital guru is having trouble making it happen
> >
> > Can any help with advice or technical info
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Gerry
> >
> > Gerry Engelhart
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From robin at protypeonline.com  Mon Jan 21 19:06:23 2008
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Mon Jan 21 19:06:37 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Introduction Postcard
Message-ID: <B4DBEEDA-8A18-45F0-9FE3-861825217BB7@protypeonline.com>

Rick,
I always thought an "olive branch" was a sign of peace or concession?  
Like waving the white flag????
Apparently I am wrong. I like the simplicity....
Robin

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing, Inc.
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com



From copythatnyc at aol.com  Mon Jan 21 19:22:35 2008
From: copythatnyc at aol.com (copythatnyc@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 21 19:23:05 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Introduction Postcard
In-Reply-To: <B4DBEEDA-8A18-45F0-9FE3-861825217BB7@protypeonline.com>
References: <B4DBEEDA-8A18-45F0-9FE3-861825217BB7@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <8CA2AA405BFA235-D6C-1464@Webmail-mg12.sysops.aol.com>


LOL? That was a little rude!



Tommy



Copy That, Inc.
"Where the only thing you can't copy is our service"
3515 E. Tremont Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
718.892.1859
718.892.2315 Fax
www.copythatnyc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Robin Niewold <robin@protypeonline.com>
To: printowners printowners <PrintOwners@printweb.org>
Sent: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 7:06 pm
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Introduction Postcard



***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****?
?
Rick,?
I always thought an "olive branch" was a sign of peace or concession? Like waving the white flag?????
Apparently I am wrong. I like the simplicity....?
Robin?
?
Robin Niewold?
Pro-Type Printing, Inc.?
130 N. Market Street?
Paxton, IL 60957?
217.379.4715?
robin@protypeonline.com?
?
?
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PrintOwners Discussion List?
Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org?
Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners?
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From ep101 at technaprint.com  Mon Jan 21 19:34:34 2008
From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson)
Date: Mon Jan 21 19:34:51 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] health insurance
In-Reply-To: <25EEEEA1-ED9E-47AA-A1FB-88B769FD5508@foxprinting.biz>
Message-ID: <C3BA7A1A.3246A%ep101@technaprint.com>

> This year we are looking into the high deductible plans...

John,

If you take a look at the archives for a health insurance thread from
January 2006 you'll see some good stuff along the lines of which you're
inquiring. One of the things I offered back then was:

> Has anyone looked into self insuring there medical expenses, if so how
> did you put it to work?
 
We began doing this in a limited sense last year, Rob, and it worked very
well for us.

We increased the deductible on our insurance up to $2,500 instead of the
$500 it had been. We then set up a Medical Expense Reimbursement Plan
whereby the employee turns in their EOB's (Explanation of Benefits) from the
health insurance provider to A/P for payment. We then pay 80% of the
deductible, the employee pays the other 20%. So, we stand to potentially pay
out $2,000 max in any given year. The employee is still at $500 where they
had been the year before.

Our premium savings for 2005 was about $1,000 per month. Our EOB payouts
were just over $4,000 for the year (15 employees). So we basically saved
ourselves $8,000 by putting ourselves at risk for $30,000. That would only
happen if everyone blew through their deductibles...a VERY highly unlikely
scenario.

For 2006, they've changed the plan up on us a bit whereby we were forced to
either go to a $2k or $3k deductible. We went to $3k, got a bit better
handling on copays than in 2005. We split $2400/$600.

If you'd like to discuss this further, give me a call. It's one of the
smarter things I've done recently. It may not work for everyone, but it
certainly has worked well for us so far.

Eric Pearson
President/C.E.O.

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TechnaPrint, Inc.
909 Garfield Street
Eugene, OR 97402-2706
(541) 344-4062
(541) 344-1765 Fax

ep101@technaprint.com
www.technaprint.com


To that I'd add that we did the same thing in 2007 and are beginning a new
round in 2008. Faced with a 25% increase in premium this year, we kicked the
deductible up to 3500. We still take care of 80% of it, the employee is on
for 20%. Same with the employees premium; we split 80-20. Over the past
three years, we've saved over $36,000 in premiums and have paid out just
over $16,500 in MERP benefits in reimbursements over the three years. That
included 2 pregnancies and one intermediate surgery.

I'd recommend a MERP structure to anyone as opposed to the HSA insofar as
the HSA benefit is portable and leaves with the folks when they do. We've
got a 401(k) for that type of tax deferred benefit... Better not to add
insult to injury when folks split.

EP





From BeckyWh1 at aol.com  Tue Jan 22 01:42:52 2008
From: BeckyWh1 at aol.com (BeckyWh1@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 22 01:43:07 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Introduction Postcard
Message-ID: <d04.2652180e.34c6ea6c@aol.com>


In a message dated 1/21/08 12:27:25 PM, robin@protypeonline.com writes:


> I would like to send a direct?
> mail postcard, or maybe a letter? to businesses located in her area?
> introducing her. Has anyone done something like this before? Anything?
> "catchy" or dare I say, "cute"?!
> If you have would yo
> 

I think ya gotta go letter for this one, Robin. You're establishing a 
relationship and a postcard just doesn't seem like the best way to do that.
Suggested text:
Since it's new year, I'd start with something about "setting goals for the 
new year, helping with the goals, most marketing includeds print materials, blah 
blah -- I'd like to discuss your marketing plans for 2008 -- give me a call 
and we can set up a time to exchange some ideas....blah blah"
give phone number --- leave it in their hands.....but follow up.
A catchy PS will help, too -- we used online ordering to make printing 
ordering easier -- gotta some good calls on this one so far

Can't beat a "personal" letter for starting a relationship.

Good luck!

Becky Whatley
Quality Printing
Riverside, CA


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From BeckyWh1 at aol.com  Tue Jan 22 01:51:22 2008
From: BeckyWh1 at aol.com (BeckyWh1@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 22 01:51:37 2008
Subject: [PrintOwners] Sense of Urgency
Message-ID: <d4b.1f2b8799.34c6ec6a@aol.com>

A sense of urgency -- kinda hard to get it, and keep it, with day to day 
print stuff going on.

One thing I've found that has helped me:
Start every day with 3 things that must be done that day -- write the list 
the night before, before you leave work.
The three things should be the most important things that you need to do that 
day, no matter what else happens.

It's basic time management stuff --- one guru talks about looking at 
activities that are 1-, 2-, 3-steps away from the revenue line to prioritize. 
Similar to quandrants "Important and Urgent", "Urgent but not Important" 
"Important but not Urgent" and Not Important, Not Urgent.
We've all seen this before but I would venture to say we probably don't 
follow it on a daily basis.

My favorite of the time management books, if you're interested: Making Work 
Work (also printed as Never Read Email First Thing in the Morning)
Great simple tips for getting control of your day and doing the things that 
will make you more successful.

I've been following this practice for about a year and it has made a 
tremendous difference in my productivity and my sales activities.

JMT
Becky Whatley
Quality Printing
Riverside, CA


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