From craig at newhavenprint.com Fri Aug 1 07:53:53 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Fri Aug 1 07:54:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quality mailing lists In-Reply-To: <008501c8f26a$74f86470$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <0D4EC0C0-F2A6-4A40-AE1E-DCB80381D3F0@perfpress.com><001e01c8f256$5c0e2800$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> <008501c8f26a$74f86470$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <4892F951.5070705@newhavenprint.com> Good Morning, We've done a couple mailings in the last two weeks that have have a fairly high return percentage. Both lists were purchased through Experion. The last one to $250,000+ income households for a few zips. We had 2300+ names and got 200 returned (first class postage). This list was ran through NCOA but still wasn't very high quality. Is there any other companies that have better lists? Suggestions? Or is this as good as it gets? Thanks, Craig Craig Dellinger President New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, Indiana USA Phone: 260.493.3844 Fax: 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From jeff at hprinting.biz Fri Aug 1 08:25:16 2008 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Fri Aug 1 08:25:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quality mailing lists In-Reply-To: <4892F951.5070705@newhavenprint.com> References: <0D4EC0C0-F2A6-4A40-AE1E-DCB80381D3F0@perfpress.com> <001e01c8f256$5c0e2800$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> <008501c8f26a$74f86470$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <4892F951.5070705@newhavenprint.com> Message-ID: <20080801122517.29808.327@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 07:53 AM 8/1/2008, you wrote: >We've done a couple mailings in the last two >weeks that have have a fairly high return >percentage. Both lists were purchased through >Experion. The last one to $250,000+ income >households for a few zips. We had 2300+ names >and got 200 returned (first class postage). This >list was ran through NCOA but still wasn't very >high quality. Is there any other companies that >have better lists? Suggestions? Or is this as good as it gets? I think most list providers say they are only 90% accurate so your within normal range. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From sirspeedy7099 at verizon.net Fri Aug 1 08:46:57 2008 From: sirspeedy7099 at verizon.net (Sir Speedy-Havertown) Date: Fri Aug 1 08:47:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quality mailing lists References: <0D4EC0C0-F2A6-4A40-AE1E-DCB80381D3F0@perfpress.com><001e01c8f256$5c0e2800$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> <008501c8f26a$74f86470$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <4892F951.5070705@newhavenprint.com> Message-ID: <003901c8f3d4$af5356f0$6901a8c0@David> I was at a seminar recently put on by a direct-mail marketing "expert". That's basically all she does for a living. Her contention is that no matter the source, we should expect that a rented list is going to have 20-30% bad names. It is simply impossible for the list companies to keep them more accurate due to normal movement of people. Not certain I agree, but that's what we were told. So, your less than 10% return doesn't sound that bad if she's right. David McBride Sir Speedy-Havertown 443 West Chester Pike Havertown, PA 610-789-2685 E-mail:drmcbride@sirspeedy7099.com http://www.sirspeedy7099.com To send us a file click: http://www.sirspeedy.com/Center/FranchiseSelected.asp?FranchiseID=70990&redirect=SendAFile Registered Member of the Microsoft Publisher Service Provider Program And the Adobe Solutions Network ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Dellinger" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Quality mailing lists > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Good Morning, > We've done a couple mailings in the last two weeks that > have have a fairly high return percentage. Both lists were > purchased through Experion. The last one to $250,000+ > income households for a few zips. We had 2300+ names and > got 200 returned (first class postage). This list was ran > through NCOA but still wasn't very high quality. Is there > any other companies that have better lists? Suggestions? > Or is this as good as it gets? > > Thanks, > Craig > > Craig Dellinger > President > New Haven Print & Copy > 7531 US 930 East > Fort Wayne, Indiana USA > Phone: 260.493.3844 > Fax: 260.493.3579 > www.newhavenprint.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From kellycrom at gmail.com Fri Aug 1 08:56:52 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Fri Aug 1 08:56:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Flooded Back BC In-Reply-To: <03F00E37A5774AA2845CCD30D6524A34@CharXP> References: <03F00E37A5774AA2845CCD30D6524A34@CharXP> Message-ID: <009301c8f3d6$12d99760$388cc620$@com> I am assuming these are on a coated stock? If so, I would think a varnish would be your only option. If the stock is uncoated, we apply a sealer coat after printing, which has done a very good job of preventing scuffing. We purchase a product from Kohl Madden(Sun Chemical) called Write-over sealer. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 6:21 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] Flooded Back BC > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I know this is an age old question but hoping someone might be able to > help > me. Have a customer that we printed 186 red flood on the back and put > a > varnish on it. > > I don't think it changed it that much but some, and enough that they > want it > to match. They have 50 set of cards they want to do but want it to be > an > exact match. If I don't put a varnish on it I am worried they will > never > dry enough and smudge in the pocket of the CEO of the company. I know > there > are some hard dry inks but does that really dry enough to keep a > flooded > card from smudging. > > ch > > > > Charlene Sims > > President > > The Master's Press, Inc. > > 14550 Midway Road > > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > > www.TheMastersPress.com > > char@themasterspress.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Aug 1 09:04:06 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Aug 1 09:05:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Flooded Back BC In-Reply-To: <03F00E37A5774AA2845CCD30D6524A34@CharXP> References: <03F00E37A5774AA2845CCD30D6524A34@CharXP> Message-ID: <200808011305.m71D5XXn052609@i2bnetworks.com> Varnish does have the ability to slightly change the color, but so little that most won't notice. Aqueous will not change the color, so one option is to have it aqueous coated offline either through a coating house or a commercial printer that has coating capabilities. S. At 04:21 PM 7/31/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I know this is an age old question but hoping someone might be able to help >me. Have a customer that we printed 186 red flood on the back and put a >varnish on it. > >I don't think it changed it that much but some, and enough that they want it >to match. They have 50 set of cards they want to do but want it to be an >exact match. If I don't put a varnish on it I am worried they will never >dry enough and smudge in the pocket of the CEO of the company. I know there >are some hard dry inks but does that really dry enough to keep a flooded >card from smudging. > >ch > > > >Charlene Sims > >President > >The Master's Press, Inc. > >14550 Midway Road > >Dallas, Tx 75244 > > > >972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > >www.TheMastersPress.com > >char@themasterspress.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3316 (20080731) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From bob at rjmprinting.com Fri Aug 1 09:14:46 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Fri Aug 1 09:14:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Flooded Back BC In-Reply-To: <200808011305.m71D5XXn052609@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: We use Generation 3 Training Coating from Graphics Arts Supply in Hobart, IN (219-947-1518) to Aqueous on our GTO. It dries extremely fast so you can't leave it in the press very long. It also needs to be done in a separate pass. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:04 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Flooded Back BC ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Varnish does have the ability to slightly change the color, but so little that most won't notice. Aqueous will not change the color, so one option is to have it aqueous coated offline either through a coating house or a commercial printer that has coating capabilities. S. At 04:21 PM 7/31/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I know this is an age old question but hoping someone might be able to help >me. Have a customer that we printed 186 red flood on the back and put a >varnish on it. > >I don't think it changed it that much but some, and enough that they want it >to match. They have 50 set of cards they want to do but want it to be an >exact match. If I don't put a varnish on it I am worried they will never >dry enough and smudge in the pocket of the CEO of the company. I know there >are some hard dry inks but does that really dry enough to keep a flooded >card from smudging. > >ch > > > >Charlene Sims > >President > >The Master's Press, Inc. > >14550 Midway Road > >Dallas, Tx 75244 > > > >972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > >www.TheMastersPress.com > >char@themasterspress.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3316 (20080731) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Fri Aug 1 09:22:31 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Fri Aug 1 09:23:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Not just big oil - Xpedx reports higher profits Message-ID: <7B63FF6CF36646CA8F4155A459BABB03@Leo4allPC> http://members.whattheythink.com/news/newslink.cfm?id=33069 mmmm after hearing from paper salesperson how they have to raise my prices do to high gas and pulp it is comforting to hear they have higher profits as they increased margins along with the cost increases. I will be having a nice chat this week when he comes in. Along this line, Randy I see my costs have gone up again this month, was this passing along your increases do to shipping and materials? Funny I saw your 2nd quarter that says your profits rose as you quote "improved pricing and margins" note margins on us. Now a financially healthier suppler is good. I guess I am just pissed they tell me that the prices are going up not from their choice and it is out of their control. Then I read this and find they took the opportunity to not only hit us with a increase but profit from it. I think congress needs to investigate the windfall profit of paper companies We need to go green and have a paperless society John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From clc at crownmax.com Fri Aug 1 09:25:05 2008 From: clc at crownmax.com (clc) Date: Fri Aug 1 09:25:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scammers still at it In-Reply-To: <003901c8f3d4$af5356f0$6901a8c0@David> References: <0D4EC0C0-F2A6-4A40-AE1E-DCB80381D3F0@perfpress.com><001e01c8f256$5c0e2800$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net><008501c8f26a$74f86470$6900a8c0@DANIEL><4892F951.5070705@newhavenprint.com> <003901c8f3d4$af5356f0$6901a8c0@David> Message-ID: One of my CSR's received the deaf operator scam call yesterday on 300,000 labels from one of the Reverends. Even though we have discussed this at length in our training she went ahead and contacted Discount Label for a quote. Discount told her they had had hundreds of requests fot the same thing but did she want a price. My CSR finally woke up and said no, sorry to bother you. This was conveyed to me this morning and I thought it approiate to quote. My price is $25,000,000.00 with free freight. That's with the church discount of course. How about someone here in the US really figuring out how to burn these assholes! John, Scott, Don, Craig, Michael, Hal and others ...........I know one of you are devious enough to come up with a plan. Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road Dunbar, WV 25064 1-800-252-40111 www.crownmax.com From Susan at cdandp.net Fri Aug 1 10:00:58 2008 From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton) Date: Fri Aug 1 10:03:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scammers still at it References: <0D4EC0C0-F2A6-4A40-AE1E-DCB80381D3F0@perfpress.com><001e01c8f256$5c0e2800$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net><008501c8f26a$74f86470$6900a8c0@DANIEL><4892F951.5070705@newhavenprint.com><003901c8f3d4$af5356f0$6901a8c0@David> Message-ID: <00cb01c8f3df$067ad930$8302a8c0@Robbin> I had a call from the deaf operator a couple of days ago. I was glad, as I was beginning to feel left out. :) Anyway, as soon as she said she had a call, I asked who was calling. She said just a moment, and the line went silent, although you could tell I was still connected. After that, I heard the click as I was disconnected. Funny, I guess the person didn't want to talk to me after all! Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, VA 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "clc" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:25 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Scammers still at it > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > One of my CSR's received the deaf operator scam call yesterday on 300,000 > labels from one of the Reverends. Even though we have discussed this at > length in our training she went ahead and contacted Discount Label for a > quote. > > Discount told her they had had hundreds of requests fot the same thing but > did she want a price. My CSR finally woke up and said no, sorry to bother > you. > > This was conveyed to me this morning and I thought it approiate to quote. > > My price is $25,000,000.00 with free freight. That's with the church > discount of course. > > How about someone here in the US really figuring out how to burn these > assholes! John, Scott, Don, Craig, Michael, Hal and others ...........I > know > one of you are devious enough to come up with a plan. > > > Charlie Counts > CROWNMAX, Inc. > 2301 Roxalana Road > Dunbar, WV 25064 > 1-800-252-40111 > www.crownmax.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3317 (20080801) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From tufelkinder at gmail.com Fri Aug 1 10:09:54 2008 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Fri Aug 1 10:09:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Not just big oil - Xpedx reports higher profits In-Reply-To: <7B63FF6CF36646CA8F4155A459BABB03@Leo4allPC> References: <7B63FF6CF36646CA8F4155A459BABB03@Leo4allPC> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0808010709q759a7808if531b38a82cdebbb@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:22 AM, John M. Henry wrote: > > I think congress needs to investigate the windfall profit of paper companies > We need to go green and have a paperless society *sigh* but then congress would have to investigate printing companies' windfall profits, and who really wants that? :-) Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ The best way out is always through. -- Robert Frost From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri Aug 1 10:12:19 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri Aug 1 10:12:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scammers still at it Message-ID: In a message dated 8/1/2008 9:26:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, clc@crownmax.com writes: How about someone here in the US really figuring out how to burn these assholes! John, Scott, Don, Craig, Michael, Hal and others ...........I know one of you are devious enough to come up with a plan. Well, it would be interesting to turn the scam around on them... write them back and tell them you are not really the owner but the manager of the night shift and not really happy and you are wondering if you did the job at night you could do it for costs but then pad the invoice enough to reward both of you. Would the reverend be interested in substantial "goodwill" cash discount or commission and then of course arrange a meeting in person to give him the cash... of course if the discount is large enough (in excess of $5000) we don't want to fool around with money orders or Telegrams and cash needs to be handled carefully and directly. Wonder if they might fall for that? John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From SueAnn at professional-printers.com Fri Aug 1 10:29:51 2008 From: SueAnn at professional-printers.com (SueAnn@professional-printers.com) Date: Fri Aug 1 10:27:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collections In-Reply-To: <20080801132511.A969C100B732@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: What do you all do for collecting bad accounts? Is there a collection agency that you recommend? Good Printing, SueAnn Schroer CPA Owner/Manager 2008 President, NAQP Carolinas Chapter Carolina Professional Printers Design Print Mail 604-2 Seaboard Street Myrtle Beach, SC 29577 Ph: 843-626-6611 Fax: 843-626-6613 www.professional-printers.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of printowners-request@printweb.org Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:25 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 36, Issue 1 Send PrintOwners mailing list submissions to printowners@printweb.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to printowners-request@printweb.org You can reach the person managing the list at printowners-owner@printweb.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of PrintOwners digest..." ***** This is a PrintOwners List Digest ***** Today's Topics: 1. Quality mailing lists (Craig Dellinger) 2. Re: Quality mailing lists (Jeff Haines) 3. Re: Quality mailing lists (Sir Speedy-Havertown) 4. RE: Flooded Back BC (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) 5. Re: Flooded Back BC (Scott Cappel) 6. RE: Flooded Back BC (Bob Molacek) 7. Not just big oil - Xpedx reports higher profits (John M. Henry) 8. Scammers still at it (clc) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:53:53 -0400 From: Craig Dellinger Subject: [PrintOwners] Quality mailing lists To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Message-ID: <4892F951.5070705@newhavenprint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Good Morning, We've done a couple mailings in the last two weeks that have have a fairly high return percentage. Both lists were purchased through Experion. The last one to $250,000+ income households for a few zips. We had 2300+ names and got 200 returned (first class postage). This list was ran through NCOA but still wasn't very high quality. Is there any other companies that have better lists? Suggestions? Or is this as good as it gets? Thanks, Craig Craig Dellinger President New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, Indiana USA Phone: 260.493.3844 Fax: 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:25:16 -0400 From: Jeff Haines Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Quality mailing lists To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Message-ID: <20080801122517.29808.327@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed At 07:53 AM 8/1/2008, you wrote: >We've done a couple mailings in the last two weeks that have have a >fairly high return percentage. Both lists were purchased through >Experion. The last one to $250,000+ income households for a few zips. >We had 2300+ names and got 200 returned (first class postage). This >list was ran through NCOA but still wasn't very high quality. Is there >any other companies that have better lists? Suggestions? Or is this >as good as it gets? I think most list providers say they are only 90% accurate so your within normal range. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955  Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz  www.hprinting.biz ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:46:57 -0400 From: "Sir Speedy-Havertown" Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Quality mailing lists To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Message-ID: <003901c8f3d4$af5356f0$6901a8c0@David> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response I was at a seminar recently put on by a direct-mail marketing "expert". That's basically all she does for a living. Her contention is that no matter the source, we should expect that a rented list is going to have 20-30% bad names. It is simply impossible for the list companies to keep them more accurate due to normal movement of people. Not certain I agree, but that's what we were told. So, your less than 10% return doesn't sound that bad if she's right. David McBride Sir Speedy-Havertown 443 West Chester Pike Havertown, PA 610-789-2685 E-mail:drmcbride@sirspeedy7099.com http://www.sirspeedy7099.com To send us a file click: http://www.sirspeedy.com/Center/FranchiseSelected.asp?FranchiseID=70990&redi rect=SendAFile Registered Member of the Microsoft Publisher Service Provider Program And the Adobe Solutions Network ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Dellinger" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Quality mailing lists > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Good Morning, > We've done a couple mailings in the last two weeks that > have have a fairly high return percentage. Both lists were > purchased through Experion. The last one to $250,000+ > income households for a few zips. We had 2300+ names and > got 200 returned (first class postage). This list was ran > through NCOA but still wasn't very high quality. Is there > any other companies that have better lists? Suggestions? > Or is this as good as it gets? > > Thanks, > Craig > > Craig Dellinger > President > New Haven Print & Copy > 7531 US 930 East > Fort Wayne, Indiana USA > Phone: 260.493.3844 > Fax: 260.493.3579 > www.newhavenprint.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:56:52 -0500 From: "Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics" Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Flooded Back BC To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Message-ID: <009301c8f3d6$12d99760$388cc620$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am assuming these are on a coated stock? If so, I would think a varnish would be your only option. If the stock is uncoated, we apply a sealer coat after printing, which has done a very good job of preventing scuffing. We purchase a product from Kohl Madden(Sun Chemical) called Write-over sealer. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 6:21 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] Flooded Back BC > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I know this is an age old question but hoping someone might be able to > help > me. Have a customer that we printed 186 red flood on the back and put > a > varnish on it. > > I don't think it changed it that much but some, and enough that they > want it > to match. They have 50 set of cards they want to do but want it to be > an > exact match. If I don't put a varnish on it I am worried they will > never > dry enough and smudge in the pocket of the CEO of the company. I know > there > are some hard dry inks but does that really dry enough to keep a > flooded > card from smudging. > > ch > > > > Charlene Sims > > President > > The Master's Press, Inc. > > 14550 Midway Road > > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > > www.TheMastersPress.com > > char@themasterspress.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:04:06 -0700 From: Scott Cappel Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Flooded Back BC To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Message-ID: <200808011305.m71D5XXn052609@i2bnetworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Varnish does have the ability to slightly change the color, but so little that most won't notice. Aqueous will not change the color, so one option is to have it aqueous coated offline either through a coating house or a commercial printer that has coating capabilities. S. At 04:21 PM 7/31/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I know this is an age old question but hoping someone might be able to help >me. Have a customer that we printed 186 red flood on the back and put a >varnish on it. > >I don't think it changed it that much but some, and enough that they want it >to match. They have 50 set of cards they want to do but want it to be an >exact match. If I don't put a varnish on it I am worried they will never >dry enough and smudge in the pocket of the CEO of the company. I know there >are some hard dry inks but does that really dry enough to keep a flooded >card from smudging. > >ch > > > >Charlene Sims > >President > >The Master's Press, Inc. > >14550 Midway Road > >Dallas, Tx 75244 > > > >972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > >www.TheMastersPress.com > >char@themasterspress.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3316 (20080731) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:14:46 -0500 From: "Bob Molacek" Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Flooded Back BC To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We use Generation 3 Training Coating from Graphics Arts Supply in Hobart, IN (219-947-1518) to Aqueous on our GTO. It dries extremely fast so you can't leave it in the press very long. It also needs to be done in a separate pass. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:04 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Flooded Back BC ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Varnish does have the ability to slightly change the color, but so little that most won't notice. Aqueous will not change the color, so one option is to have it aqueous coated offline either through a coating house or a commercial printer that has coating capabilities. S. At 04:21 PM 7/31/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I know this is an age old question but hoping someone might be able to help >me. Have a customer that we printed 186 red flood on the back and put a >varnish on it. > >I don't think it changed it that much but some, and enough that they want it >to match. They have 50 set of cards they want to do but want it to be an >exact match. If I don't put a varnish on it I am worried they will never >dry enough and smudge in the pocket of the CEO of the company. I know there >are some hard dry inks but does that really dry enough to keep a flooded >card from smudging. > >ch > > > >Charlene Sims > >President > >The Master's Press, Inc. > >14550 Midway Road > >Dallas, Tx 75244 > > > >972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > >www.TheMastersPress.com > >char@themasterspress.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3316 (20080731) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:22:31 -0400 From: "John M. Henry" Subject: [PrintOwners] Not just big oil - Xpedx reports higher profits To: Message-ID: <7B63FF6CF36646CA8F4155A459BABB03@Leo4allPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" http://members.whattheythink.com/news/newslink.cfm?id=33069 mmmm after hearing from paper salesperson how they have to raise my prices do to high gas and pulp it is comforting to hear they have higher profits as they increased margins along with the cost increases. I will be having a nice chat this week when he comes in. Along this line, Randy I see my costs have gone up again this month, was this passing along your increases do to shipping and materials? Funny I saw your 2nd quarter that says your profits rose as you quote "improved pricing and margins" note margins on us. Now a financially healthier suppler is good. I guess I am just pissed they tell me that the prices are going up not from their choice and it is out of their control. Then I read this and find they took the opportunity to not only hit us with a increase but profit from it. I think congress needs to investigate the windfall profit of paper companies We need to go green and have a paperless society John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:25:05 -0400 From: "clc" Subject: [PrintOwners] Scammers still at it To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" One of my CSR's received the deaf operator scam call yesterday on 300,000 labels from one of the Reverends. Even though we have discussed this at length in our training she went ahead and contacted Discount Label for a quote. Discount told her they had had hundreds of requests fot the same thing but did she want a price. My CSR finally woke up and said no, sorry to bother you. This was conveyed to me this morning and I thought it approiate to quote. My price is $25,000,000.00 with free freight. That's with the church discount of course. How about someone here in the US really figuring out how to burn these assholes! John, Scott, Don, Craig, Michael, Hal and others ...........I know one of you are devious enough to come up with a plan. Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road Dunbar, WV 25064 1-800-252-40111 www.crownmax.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners End of PrintOwners Digest, Vol 36, Issue 1 ****************************************** From hal at pickimp.com Fri Aug 1 10:38:26 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Fri Aug 1 10:37:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scammers still at it References: <0D4EC0C0-F2A6-4A40-AE1E-DCB80381D3F0@perfpress.com><001e01c8f256$5c0e2800$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net><008501c8f26a$74f86470$6900a8c0@DANIEL><4892F951.5070705@newhavenprint.com><003901c8f3d4$af5356f0$6901a8c0@David> Message-ID: <000b01c8f3e4$481b4960$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> The scammers are impervious to anything we could possibly think of. They send tens of thousands emails, if the victims don't do everything just the way they want it the scammers simply move on. They have no feelings or integrity so you can't possibly hurt them no matter what you do. I'm an active participant with spamcop.net but over the years I've only been able to convince4 or 5 others to join (for fee). Everyone complains about spam and then sits there and refuses to actively fight spam. A lot of the scammers are using gmail to send their email. 30 spam reports (from spamcop.net) and google kills their account but who here really wants to be bothered? Hal From jodib at blackfoot.net Fri Aug 1 10:40:53 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Fri Aug 1 10:41:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collections References: Message-ID: <001d01c8f3e4$9a137a80$0101a8c0@JodiPC> We work with a collection agency in town, but only on the larger $ ones (which, thankfully are few and far between) Otherwise we'll just try and work with the person themselves, with decent results. (The collection agency's take almost 50% and it may even be on a sliding scale of what is owed.) Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:29 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Collections > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What do you all do for collecting bad accounts? Is there a collection > agency that you recommend? > > > Good Printing, > SueAnn Schroer CPA > Owner/Manager > 2008 President, NAQP Carolinas Chapter > > Carolina Professional Printers > Design Print Mail > > 604-2 Seaboard Street > Myrtle Beach, SC 29577 > Ph: 843-626-6611 > Fax: 843-626-6613 > www.professional-printers.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > printowners-request@printweb.org > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:25 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 36, Issue 1 > > Send PrintOwners mailing list submissions to > printowners@printweb.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > printowners-request@printweb.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > printowners-owner@printweb.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of PrintOwners digest..." > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Digest ***** > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Quality mailing lists (Craig Dellinger) > 2. Re: Quality mailing lists (Jeff Haines) > 3. Re: Quality mailing lists (Sir Speedy-Havertown) > 4. RE: Flooded Back BC (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) > 5. Re: Flooded Back BC (Scott Cappel) > 6. RE: Flooded Back BC (Bob Molacek) > 7. Not just big oil - Xpedx reports higher profits (John M. Henry) > 8. Scammers still at it (clc) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:53:53 -0400 > From: Craig Dellinger > Subject: [PrintOwners] Quality mailing lists > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <4892F951.5070705@newhavenprint.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Good Morning, > We've done a couple mailings in the last two weeks that have have a fairly > high return percentage. Both lists were purchased through Experion. The > last > one to $250,000+ income households for a few zips. We had 2300+ names and > got 200 returned (first class postage). This list was ran through NCOA but > still wasn't very high quality. Is there any other companies that have > better lists? Suggestions? Or is this as good as it gets? > > Thanks, > Craig > > Craig Dellinger > President > New Haven Print & Copy > 7531 US 930 East > Fort Wayne, Indiana USA > Phone: 260.493.3844 > Fax: 260.493.3579 > www.newhavenprint.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:25:16 -0400 > From: Jeff Haines > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Quality mailing lists > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <20080801122517.29808.327@hm-pop1.solinus.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed > > At 07:53 AM 8/1/2008, you wrote: >>We've done a couple mailings in the last two weeks that have have a >>fairly high return percentage. Both lists were purchased through >>Experion. The last one to $250,000+ income households for a few zips. >>We had 2300+ names and got 200 returned (first class postage). This >>list was ran through NCOA but still wasn't very high quality. Is there >>any other companies that have better lists? Suggestions? Or is this >>as good as it gets? > > > I think most list providers say they are only 90% accurate so your within > normal range. > > Jeff > > Haines Printing Co. > 10575 W. Main Rd. > North East, PA 16428 > (814) 725-1955  Fax (814) 725-2244 > email: jeff@hprinting.biz  www.hprinting.biz > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:46:57 -0400 > From: "Sir Speedy-Havertown" > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Quality mailing lists > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Message-ID: <003901c8f3d4$af5356f0$6901a8c0@David> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=response > > I was at a seminar recently put on by a direct-mail marketing "expert". > That's basically all she does for a living. Her contention is that no > matter > the source, we should expect that a rented list is going to have 20-30% > bad > names. It is simply impossible for the list companies to keep them more > accurate due to normal movement of people. > > Not certain I agree, but that's what we were told. So, your less than 10% > return doesn't sound that bad if she's right. > > > David McBride > Sir Speedy-Havertown > 443 West Chester Pike > Havertown, PA > 610-789-2685 > E-mail:drmcbride@sirspeedy7099.com > http://www.sirspeedy7099.com > > To send us a file click: > http://www.sirspeedy.com/Center/FranchiseSelected.asp?FranchiseID=70990&redi > rect=SendAFile > > Registered Member of the Microsoft Publisher Service > Provider Program > And the Adobe Solutions Network > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Dellinger" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:53 AM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Quality mailing lists > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Good Morning, >> We've done a couple mailings in the last two weeks that >> have have a fairly high return percentage. Both lists were >> purchased through Experion. The last one to $250,000+ >> income households for a few zips. We had 2300+ names and >> got 200 returned (first class postage). This list was ran >> through NCOA but still wasn't very high quality. Is there >> any other companies that have better lists? Suggestions? >> Or is this as good as it gets? >> >> Thanks, >> Craig >> >> Craig Dellinger >> President >> New Haven Print & Copy >> 7531 US 930 East >> Fort Wayne, Indiana USA >> Phone: 260.493.3844 >> Fax: 260.493.3579 >> www.newhavenprint.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:56:52 -0500 > From: "Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics" > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Flooded Back BC > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Message-ID: <009301c8f3d6$12d99760$388cc620$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I am assuming these are on a coated stock? If so, I would think a varnish > would be your only option. If the stock is uncoated, we apply a sealer > coat > after printing, which has done a very good job of preventing scuffing. We > purchase a product from Kohl Madden(Sun Chemical) called Write-over > sealer. > > Kelly Crom > Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 > Plymouth, MN 55441 > (763)231-6970 > kellycrom@gmail.com > www.applied-graphics.com > > p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's > Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- >> bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims >> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 6:21 PM >> To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Flooded Back BC >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I know this is an age old question but hoping someone might be able to >> help >> me. Have a customer that we printed 186 red flood on the back and put >> a >> varnish on it. >> >> I don't think it changed it that much but some, and enough that they >> want it >> to match. They have 50 set of cards they want to do but want it to be >> an >> exact match. If I don't put a varnish on it I am worried they will >> never >> dry enough and smudge in the pocket of the CEO of the company. I know >> there >> are some hard dry inks but does that really dry enough to keep a >> flooded >> card from smudging. >> >> ch >> >> >> >> Charlene Sims >> >> President >> >> The Master's Press, Inc. >> >> 14550 Midway Road >> >> Dallas, Tx 75244 >> >> >> >> 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 >> >> www.TheMastersPress.com >> >> char@themasterspress.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:04:06 -0700 > From: Scott Cappel > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Flooded Back BC > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <200808011305.m71D5XXn052609@i2bnetworks.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > Varnish does have the ability to slightly change the color, but so > little that most won't notice. > > Aqueous will not change the color, so one option is to have it > aqueous coated offline either through a coating house or a commercial > printer that has coating capabilities. > > S. > > > > At 04:21 PM 7/31/2008, you wrote: >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>I know this is an age old question but hoping someone might be able to >>help >>me. Have a customer that we printed 186 red flood on the back and put a >>varnish on it. >> >>I don't think it changed it that much but some, and enough that they want > it >>to match. They have 50 set of cards they want to do but want it to be an >>exact match. If I don't put a varnish on it I am worried they will never >>dry enough and smudge in the pocket of the CEO of the company. I know > there >>are some hard dry inks but does that really dry enough to keep a flooded >>card from smudging. >> >>ch >> >> >> >>Charlene Sims >> >>President >> >>The Master's Press, Inc. >> >>14550 Midway Road >> >>Dallas, Tx 75244 >> >> >> >>972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 >> >>www.TheMastersPress.com >> >>char@themasterspress.com >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >>__________ NOD32 3316 (20080731) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:14:46 -0500 > From: "Bob Molacek" > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Flooded Back BC > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > We use Generation 3 Training Coating from Graphics Arts Supply in Hobart, > IN > (219-947-1518) to Aqueous on our GTO. It dries extremely fast so you > can't > leave it in the press very long. It also needs to be done in a separate > pass. > > Bob Molacek > Sir Speedy Printing > 7793 Ranchers Road > Fridley, MN 55432 > 763-571-4608 > bob@rjmprinting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:04 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Flooded Back BC > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Varnish does have the ability to slightly change the color, but so > little that most won't notice. > > Aqueous will not change the color, so one option is to have it > aqueous coated offline either through a coating house or a commercial > printer that has coating capabilities. > > S. > > > > At 04:21 PM 7/31/2008, you wrote: >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>I know this is an age old question but hoping someone might be able to >>help >>me. Have a customer that we printed 186 red flood on the back and put a >>varnish on it. >> >>I don't think it changed it that much but some, and enough that they want > it >>to match. They have 50 set of cards they want to do but want it to be an >>exact match. If I don't put a varnish on it I am worried they will never >>dry enough and smudge in the pocket of the CEO of the company. I know > there >>are some hard dry inks but does that really dry enough to keep a flooded >>card from smudging. >> >>ch >> >> >> >>Charlene Sims >> >>President >> >>The Master's Press, Inc. >> >>14550 Midway Road >> >>Dallas, Tx 75244 >> >> >> >>972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 >> >>www.TheMastersPress.com >> >>char@themasterspress.com >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >>__________ NOD32 3316 (20080731) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:22:31 -0400 > From: "John M. Henry" > Subject: [PrintOwners] Not just big oil - Xpedx reports higher profits > To: > Message-ID: <7B63FF6CF36646CA8F4155A459BABB03@Leo4allPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > http://members.whattheythink.com/news/newslink.cfm?id=33069 > > > > mmmm after hearing from paper salesperson how they have to raise my prices > do to high gas and pulp it is comforting to hear they have higher profits > as > they increased margins along with the cost increases. > > > > I will be having a nice chat this week when he comes in. Along this line, > Randy I see my costs have gone up again this month, was this passing along > your increases do to shipping and materials? Funny I saw your 2nd quarter > that says your profits rose as you quote "improved pricing and margins" > note > margins on us. > > > > Now a financially healthier suppler is good. I guess I am just pissed they > tell me that the prices are going up not from their choice and it is out > of > their control. Then I read this and find they took the opportunity to not > only hit us with a increase but profit from it. > > > > I think congress needs to investigate the windfall profit of paper > companies > We need to go green and have a paperless society > > > > > > > > John M. Henry > > Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. > > PO Box 815 > > 125-129 East First Street > > Oswego, NY 13126 > > (315) 343-3531 > > (315) 343-3577 fax > > (315) 532-0620 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:25:05 -0400 > From: "clc" > Subject: [PrintOwners] Scammers still at it > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > One of my CSR's received the deaf operator scam call yesterday on 300,000 > labels from one of the Reverends. Even though we have discussed this at > length in our training she went ahead and contacted Discount Label for a > quote. > > Discount told her they had had hundreds of requests fot the same thing but > did she want a price. My CSR finally woke up and said no, sorry to bother > you. > > This was conveyed to me this morning and I thought it approiate to quote. > > My price is $25,000,000.00 with free freight. That's with the church > discount of course. > > How about someone here in the US really figuring out how to burn these > assholes! John, Scott, Don, Craig, Michael, Hal and others ...........I > know > one of you are devious enough to come up with a plan. > > > Charlie Counts > CROWNMAX, Inc. > 2301 Roxalana Road > Dunbar, WV 25064 > 1-800-252-40111 > www.crownmax.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > End of PrintOwners Digest, Vol 36, Issue 1 > ****************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Fri Aug 1 10:54:28 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Fri Aug 1 10:55:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quality mailing lists In-Reply-To: <20080801132511.7DC53100B72F@rb.enter.net> References: <20080801132511.7DC53100B72F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: That sounds a pretty normal return rate, but we have no experience with purchasing residential lists. We have used commercial/business lists from two or three suppliers with about as much success. A personal visit to prospects is made easier when preceeded by several mailings. Of course, the personal visit reveals the inaccuracy of the purchased lists, as to size, location, number of employees et cetera. Any business list is the result of input from the subject businesses - some of which is optimistic about their worth & revenue, to say the least! Nothing beats a visit, and meticulous updating of one's mailing list. > We've done a couple mailings in the last two weeks that have have a > fairly high return percentage. Both lists were purchased through > Experion. The last one to $250,000+ income households for a few > zips. We had 2300+ names and got 200 returned (first class postage). > This list was ran through NCOA but still wasn't very high quality. > Is there any other companies that have better lists? Suggestions? > Or is this as good as it gets? > > Thanks, > Craig Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From files at aloha4print.com Fri Aug 1 11:01:15 2008 From: files at aloha4print.com (Nancy Denney) Date: Fri Aug 1 10:56:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Not just big oil - Xpedx reports higher profits In-Reply-To: <84f70d5e0808010709q759a7808if531b38a82cdebbb@mail.gmail.com> References: <7B63FF6CF36646CA8F4155A459BABB03@Leo4allPC> <84f70d5e0808010709q759a7808if531b38a82cdebbb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: What Profit?????? Did not get the memo on that. They investigate us and they will wonder how we survive. Nancy Denney Aloha Print & Copy, LLC 212 McMenamy Road St. Peters, MO 63376 636-397-8558 files@aloha4print.com On Aug 1, 2008, at 9:09 AM, Walt wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:22 AM, John M. Henry wrote: > >> >> I think congress needs to investigate the windfall profit of paper >> companies >> We need to go green and have a paperless society >> > > *sigh* but then congress would have to investigate printing > companies' windfall profits, and who really wants that? :-) > > > Walt > > > Mercersburg Printing > Mercersburg, PA > http://mercersburg.net > 800-955-3902 > tufelkinder@gmail.com > > -~ > > The best way out is always through. > -- Robert Frost > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Fri Aug 1 11:00:01 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Fri Aug 1 11:01:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Flooded Back BC In-Reply-To: <20080801033720.0CED3100A586@rb.enter.net> References: <20080801033720.0CED3100A586@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <24C55FAF-5C06-4906-AABA-40EB1BEC9A3E@sheergraphics.com> We use Toyo sheet-fed overprint varnishes with good success on both coated and uncoated cover. It eliminated rub-off occurring when satin cover business cards are stored in my wallet, or with solid blue backsides of uncoated business cards. 10180227K1 Matte Overprint varnish 00180257K1 MCOP Gloss Overprint varnish >> I don't think it changed it that much but some, and enough that >> they want it >> to match. They have 50 set of cards they want to do but want it to >> be an >> exact match. If I don't put a varnish on it I am worried they will >> never >> dry enough and smudge in the pocket of the CEO of the company. I >> know there >> are some hard dry inks but does that really dry enough to keep a >> flooded >> card from smudging. > > > I've never gotten an answer to this that seemed definitive. My own > cards are on a #1 satin coated cover, flood back with a gloss > overvarnish, and we print and keep them slip sheeted -- even in my > pocket -- because of the rub-off onto the front if I don't. Now, we > add SpeedyDry AND varnish directly to the ink on painted backs, but I > really don't know how effective it is. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From char at themasterspress.com Fri Aug 1 11:06:56 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Fri Aug 1 11:07:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Flooded Back BC In-Reply-To: <009301c8f3d6$12d99760$388cc620$@com> References: <03F00E37A5774AA2845CCD30D6524A34@CharXP> <009301c8f3d6$12d99760$388cc620$@com> Message-ID: <3FC18958AB0F4C1EAB4DCFFB81AB1D00@CharXP> I appreciate all the help and comments. The varnish, I used was successful in the rubbing. The problem I am having is now it has changed the PMS color which is not satisfactory to the customer. They want an exact match. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:57 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Flooded Back BC ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am assuming these are on a coated stock? If so, I would think a varnish would be your only option. If the stock is uncoated, we apply a sealer coat after printing, which has done a very good job of preventing scuffing. We purchase a product from Kohl Madden(Sun Chemical) called Write-over sealer. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 6:21 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] Flooded Back BC > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I know this is an age old question but hoping someone might be able to > help > me. Have a customer that we printed 186 red flood on the back and put > a > varnish on it. > > I don't think it changed it that much but some, and enough that they > want it > to match. They have 50 set of cards they want to do but want it to be > an > exact match. If I don't put a varnish on it I am worried they will > never > dry enough and smudge in the pocket of the CEO of the company. I know > there > are some hard dry inks but does that really dry enough to keep a > flooded > card from smudging. > > ch > > > > Charlene Sims > > President > > The Master's Press, Inc. > > 14550 Midway Road > > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > > www.TheMastersPress.com > > char@themasterspress.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3316 (20080731) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3316 (20080731) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3316 (20080731) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From copythatnyc at aol.com Fri Aug 1 11:18:58 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Fri Aug 1 11:19:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scammers still at it In-Reply-To: References: <0D4EC0C0-F2A6-4A40-AE1E-DCB80381D3F0@perfpress.com><001e01c8f256$5c0e2800$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net><008501c8f26a$74f86470$6900a8c0@DANIEL><4892F951.5070705@newhavenprint.com> <003901c8f3d4$af5356f0$6901a8c0@David> Message-ID: <8CAC2010D60EAD0-368-9BE@webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com> Actually Charlie. I believe you are pricing these orders correctly. Free Shipping Major Plus : ). I'm also in the sign business & we get the same crap there also. The TTY service should now start to identify real clients that really need this service before, wasting our & their time. Maybe an IP address to identify the users before hand. JMO Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: clc To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 9:25 am Subject: [PrintOwners] Scammers still at it ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** One of my CSR's received the deaf operator scam call yesterday on 300,000 labels from one of the Reverends. Even though we have discussed this at length in our training she went ahead and contacted Discount Label for a quote. Discount told her they had had hundreds of requests fot the same thing but did she want a price. My CSR finally woke up and said no, sorry to bother you. This was conveyed to me this morning and I thought it approiate to quote. My price is $25,000,000.00 with free freight. That's with the church discount of course. How about someone here in the US really figuring out how to burn these assholes! John, Scott, Don, Craig, Michael, Hal and others ...........I know one of you are devious enough to come up with a plan. Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road Dunbar, WV 25064 1-800-252-40111 www.crownmax.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From copythatnyc at aol.com Fri Aug 1 11:20:58 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Fri Aug 1 11:21:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scammers still at it In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAC201557DE774-368-A02@webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com> Hmmm John wondering what you did in your pass life! Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: QKCONSULT@aol.com To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:12 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Scammers still at it ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 8/1/2008 9:26:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, clc@crownmax.com writes: How about someone here in the US really figuring out how to burn these assholes! John, Scott, Don, Craig, Michael, Hal and others ...........I know one of you are devious enough to come up with a plan. Well, it would be interesting to turn the scam around on them... write them back and tell them you are not really the owner but the manager of the night shift and not really happy and you are wondering if you did the job at night you could do it for costs but then pad the invoice enough to reward both of you. Would the reverend be interested in substantial "goodwill" cash discount or commission and then of course arrange a meeting in person to give him the cash... of course if the discount is large enough (in excess of $5000) we don't want to fool around with money orders or Telegrams and cash needs to be handled carefully and directly. Wonder if they might fall for that? John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Fri Aug 1 11:53:22 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Fri Aug 1 11:53:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] collections Message-ID: Include the collection agency fees in your credit agreement......you do have credit agreements with all your credit customers, don't you? Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 We work with a collection agency in town, but only on the larger $ ones (which, thankfully are few and far between) Otherwise we'll just try and work with the person themselves, with decent results. (The collection agency's take almost 50% and it may even be on a sliding scale of what is owed.) Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana From Printernot at aol.com Fri Aug 1 12:42:02 2008 From: Printernot at aol.com (Printernot@aol.com) Date: Fri Aug 1 12:42:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scammers still at it Message-ID: Seems that Dateline NBC did something like that already. When confronted face to face the scammers admit what they are doing, then just slip away. In order to have any effectiveness you would have to involve the police or some other government agency that could arrest them and file charges. These people would then need to be convicted and serve time. Unless this all happens on a large enough scale to put a huge dent in the scammers operations, it likely will have no effect at all. A list like this helps keep people from becoming victims. However, there are far more printers not on such a list who could be taken advantage of, as well as businesses of other types the scammers have identified as potential targets. Instead of wasting any time, these requests for quotes should be completely ignored. Don Byers Colorado Springs, CO In a message dated 8/1/2008 8:13:57 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, QKCONSULT@aol.com writes: Well, it would be interesting to turn the scam around on them... write them back and tell them you are not really the owner but the manager of the night shift and not really happy and you are wondering if you did the job at night you could do it for costs but then pad the invoice enough to reward both of you. Would the reverend be interested in substantial "goodwill" cash discount or commission and then of course arrange a meeting in person to give him the cash... of course if the discount is large enough (in excess of $5000) we don't want to fool around with money orders or Telegrams and cash needs to be handled carefully and directly. Wonder if they might fall for that? **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Fri Aug 1 12:57:37 2008 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Fri Aug 1 12:58:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quality mailing lists References: <0D4EC0C0-F2A6-4A40-AE1E-DCB80381D3F0@perfpress.com><001e01c8f256$5c0e2800$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net><008501c8f26a$74f86470$6900a8c0@DANIEL><4892F951.5070705@newhavenprint.com> <003901c8f3d4$af5356f0$6901a8c0@David> Message-ID: <354F7AA77B4E4350B371770964D798A1@Nancy> We have purchased lists from the local phone company in the past. I think their guarantee was current within 2 weeks. I can't remember all the details. They do cost more than the List Service Companies. You might try contacting them. Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sir Speedy-Havertown" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Quality mailing lists > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I was at a seminar recently put on by a direct-mail marketing "expert". > That's basically all she does for a living. Her contention is that no > matter the source, we should expect that a rented list is going to have > 20-30% bad names. It is simply impossible for the list companies to keep > them more accurate due to normal movement of people. > > Not certain I agree, but that's what we were told. So, your less than 10% > return doesn't sound that bad if she's right. > > > David McBride > Sir Speedy-Havertown > 443 West Chester Pike > Havertown, PA > 610-789-2685 > E-mail:drmcbride@sirspeedy7099.com > http://www.sirspeedy7099.com > > To send us a file click: > http://www.sirspeedy.com/Center/FranchiseSelected.asp?FranchiseID=70990&redirect=SendAFile > > Registered Member of the Microsoft Publisher Service Provider Program > And the Adobe Solutions Network > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Dellinger" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:53 AM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Quality mailing lists > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Good Morning, >> We've done a couple mailings in the last two weeks that have have a >> fairly high return percentage. Both lists were purchased through >> Experion. The last one to $250,000+ income households for a few zips. We >> had 2300+ names and got 200 returned (first class postage). This list was >> ran through NCOA but still wasn't very high quality. Is there any other >> companies that have better lists? Suggestions? Or is this as good as it >> gets? >> >> Thanks, >> Craig >> >> Craig Dellinger >> President >> New Haven Print & Copy >> 7531 US 930 East >> Fort Wayne, Indiana USA >> Phone: 260.493.3844 >> Fax: 260.493.3579 >> www.newhavenprint.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cpurvine1 at cox.net Fri Aug 1 13:00:06 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora) Date: Fri Aug 1 12:59:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Special pricing on carbonless and label stock Message-ID: <00ac01c8f3f8$0c7d33f0$6401a8c0@coranew> For those of you using carbonless, Snap-a-part and label stock, Specialty Paper is having specials on all of them. On the carbonless they already give free shipping, free padding and now they have an extra special savings depending on how many cartons you order. 3-4 cartons $1.00M OFF 5-7 cartons $1.25M OFF 8-11 cartons $1.50M Off 12 cartons $1.75M OFF August 11-15 special is 10% off on all Snap-a-part Give Chris a call at 1-866-774-7707. All orders must be placed between Aug 4 and Aug. 8th to get the discount. These are really nice people to deal with. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri Aug 1 13:02:36 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri Aug 1 13:02:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Flooded Back BC Message-ID: In a message dated 8/1/2008 11:09:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, char@themasterspress.com writes: The problem I am having is now it has changed the PMS color which is not satisfactory to the customer. They want an exact match. It's a little late but one of the things that could be changing the color slightly is an imperfect washup. The test would be to run plain white sheets through or at least notice what impact the varnish is having when overprinted on just the white un-printed portion of the stock. Also, varnish or not, exactly matches can and always have been difficult, even in the best of shops, especially on letterheads and envelopes and from one order to the next. Some colors like grays and blue-ish grays are very difficult.... it can seem perfect at the start but one tiny, tiny adjustment in either water balance or ink ductor speed or ink fountain keys can destroy part or all of a job. Very frustrating. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From prtquick at eos.net Fri Aug 1 13:10:37 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Fri Aug 1 13:06:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scammers still at it In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5F4029AF-8F48-4DC3-8265-257E9923FF90@eos.net> I think I saw that Dateline. They 'caught' a nigerian scammer. He was in New York trying to wring a little more money out of their victims live and in-person. He tearfully 'confessed' to the camera crew and said that he would not do it anymore! They even introduced him to his intended victims (from whom he already had stolen money) and they got to give him a scolding. I guess it made good TV, but he was obviously not sorry - he just did not want to go and meet the NYPD. I thought he showed how good a scammer he was by fooling the TV crew into not turning him in. They seemed to feel he was a down-on-his-luck immigrant, sorry for his criminal past and wanting a new start in our great country. Grrrrrrr. They may have turned him in, but I don't think so. I'd have enjoyed watching him stoop into a squad car - but I guess I have to watch COPS for that! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - On Aug 1, 2008, at 12:42 PM, Printernot@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Seems that Dateline NBC did something like that already. When > confronted > face to face the scammers admit what they are doing, then just slip > away. In > order to have any effectiveness you would have to involve the > police or some > other government agency that could arrest them and file charges. > These people > would then need to be convicted and serve time. Unless this all > happens on a > large enough scale to put a huge dent in the scammers operations, > it likely will > have no effect at all. > > A list like this helps keep people from becoming victims. However, > there are > far more printers not on such a list who could be taken advantage > of, as > well as businesses of other types the scammers have identified as > potential > targets. > > Instead of wasting any time, these requests for quotes should be > completely > ignored. > > Don Byers > Colorado Springs, CO > > > > In a message dated 8/1/2008 8:13:57 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > QKCONSULT@aol.com writes: > > Well, it would be interesting to turn the scam around on them... > write them > back and tell them you are not really the owner but the manager > of the > night > shift and not really happy and you are wondering if you did the > job at > night > you could do it for costs but then pad the invoice enough to > reward both of > you. Would the reverend be interested in substantial "goodwill" cash > discount > or commission and then of course arrange a meeting in person to > give him > the > cash... of course if the discount is large enough (in excess of > $5000) we > don't want to fool around with money orders or Telegrams and cash > needs to > be > handled carefully and directly. Wonder if they might fall for that? > > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From bherion at bucksdigital.com Fri Aug 1 13:12:38 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Fri Aug 1 13:12:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printer's Presence Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080801124321.03411000@bucksdigital.com> Just a quick note out to say I just had a great experience with this company. I had an urgent need for a remedy in programming and their team, headed by Tawnya Starr (President), came through. They are apparently re-vamping their software offering and my request was an interruption to that process, yet they made the accommodation. Nice to have a software vendor who listens and responds! Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From sgfinke at fuse.net Fri Aug 1 13:19:29 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Fri Aug 1 13:17:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scammers still at it In-Reply-To: <8CAC2010D60EAD0-368-9BE@webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com> References: <0D4EC0C0-F2A6-4A40-AE1E-DCB80381D3F0@perfpress.com><001e01c8f256$5c0e2800$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net><008501c8f26a$74f86470$6900a8c0@DANIEL><4892F951.5070705@newhavenprint.com> <003901c8f3d4$af5356f0$6901a8c0@David> <8CAC2010D60EAD0-368-9BE@webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <83B5F872-ECE3-4874-90ED-9A855ECF011B@fuse.net> Tommy -- They can't. It's a freedom of speech thing. By federal law the TDD people can only relay exactly the message they're given. They know these are scams but they're not allowed to say. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Aug 1, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Tommy Melendez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Actually Charlie. I believe you are pricing these orders correctly. > Free Shipping Major Plus : ). I'm also in the sign business & we > get the same crap there also. The TTY service should now start to > identify real clients that really need this service before, wasting > our & their time. Maybe an IP address to identify the users before > hand. JMO > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: clc > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Sent: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 9:25 am > Subject: [PrintOwners] Scammers still at it > > > From copythatnyc at aol.com Fri Aug 1 13:31:11 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Fri Aug 1 13:31:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scammers still at it In-Reply-To: <83B5F872-ECE3-4874-90ED-9A855ECF011B@fuse.net> References: <0D4EC0C0-F2A6-4A40-AE1E-DCB80381D3F0@perfpress.com><001e01c8f256$5c0e2800$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net><008501c8f26a$74f86470$6900a8c0@DANIEL><4892F951.5070705@newhavenprint.com> <003901c8f3d4$af5356f0$6901a8c0@David> <8CAC2010D60EAD0-368-9BE@webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com> <83B5F872-ECE3-4874-90ED-9A855ECF011B@fuse.net> Message-ID: <8CAC21386050BFD-CC8-1705@MBLK-M21.sysops.aol.com> I myself got my first call for a order. They started out requesting info on a print order. They e-mailed me a request to verify that a order was in process. I acknowledged the email got a call back from operator. As as I mentioned we only take cash "Click" Oh well. But it's obvious that our industries are not the only one's being scammed. It's all over the map. Just about every industry has a scam going on. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott and Gail Finke To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Scammers still at it ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? ? Tommy --? ? They can't. It's a freedom of speech thing. By federal law the TDD people can only relay exactly the message they're given. They know these are scams but they're not allowed to say.? ? Gail Finke? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -? Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc.8630 Winton Road? Cincinnati, OH 45231? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -? (513) 522-2679? Fax 522-2692? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -? info@brentwood-printing.com? www.brentwood-printing.com? ? ? On Aug 1, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Tommy Melendez wrote:? ? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > Actually Charlie. I believe you are pricing these orders correctly. > Free Shipping Major Plus : ). I'm also in the sign business & we > get the same crap there also. The TTY service should now start to > identify real clients that really need this service before, wasting > our & their time. Maybe an IP address to identify the users before > hand. JMO? >? >? > Copy That, Inc.? > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service"? > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue? > Bronx, N.Y. 10465? > 718.892.1859? > 718.892.2315 Fax? > www.copythatnyc.com? >? >? > -----Original Message-----? > From: clc ? > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > ? > Sent: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 9:25 am? > Subject: [PrintOwners] Scammers still at it? >? >? >? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From ray at capitol-copy.com Fri Aug 1 13:51:54 2008 From: ray at capitol-copy.com (Ray Sziber) Date: Fri Aug 1 13:52:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers in Hartford, CT In-Reply-To: <20080801165808.3D275100C13B@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <001d01c8f3ff$497084e0$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> I have a potential client referral for a printing company in Hartford, CT. If you are interested and if you serve that area, please e-mail me off-list . Ray Sziber Capitol Copy Service NAQP NAPL 116 West State Street Trenton NJ 08608 Ph 609-989-8776 Fx609-989-9570 www.Capitol-Copy.com Now Offering Large Format Printing! verkin tala - From sgfinke at fuse.net Fri Aug 1 14:09:35 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Fri Aug 1 14:07:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Bad joke Message-ID: Bad joke for Ffriday: Two fonts walk into a bar. The bartender snarls and says, ?We don?t serve your type here. If you don?t leave, I?ll have to call the serif.? Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com From kathy at badgerpressinc.com Fri Aug 1 14:41:35 2008 From: kathy at badgerpressinc.com (Kathy Dederich) Date: Fri Aug 1 14:41:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Joke Message-ID: <008b01c8f406$39a22d50$6501a8c0@DellInspiron> Gail, That is a groaner for any day of the week!!! Have a great weekend. Kathy From soneal at conestogadpi.com Fri Aug 1 15:04:45 2008 From: soneal at conestogadpi.com (Shawn O'Neal) Date: Fri Aug 1 15:05:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Written quality control procedure In-Reply-To: <008b01c8f406$39a22d50$6501a8c0@DellInspiron> Message-ID: <036b01c8f409$79a77600$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> Does anyone have an example of a written quality control procedure/program that they could distribute as an example? I have trained on quality expectations but do not have any written samples. Thanks Shawn Shawn O'Neal Conestoga dpi 246 N Lincoln Ave Lebanon PA 17046 717-389-0350 www.conestogadpi.com From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Fri Aug 1 18:02:10 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (Larry Taylor) Date: Fri Aug 1 18:02:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey Message-ID: Our average invoice is $297.16. What's yours? Our sales per employee is $278,286, including owner's hours and overtime. What's yours? We are 25.9% offset; 36.4% digital; 16.8% vended out; the rest is type; bindery; etc. I'm working on an interesting project and I'd appreciate as much accurate info as possible. Feel free to email me off list with the info. My privacy policy: just me, excel, then the trash bin. I work alone. I just need as accurate info as possible, and when done, I'll have some defining info to share. Thanks in advance, Larry Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 85711 www.theshackbook.com This book really opened my eyes. From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Aug 1 18:51:38 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Aug 1 18:53:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200808012253.m71Mr5vB088708@i2bnetworks.com> What the heck, its Friday... Yearly stats through 7/08: Number of jobs: 1338 Average Invoice: $567.70 SPE (including the owner dude): $217,022 Offset: 39.0% Digital: 36.9% Vended Out: 12.6% The rest is Type, Bindery, Fullfillment etc.... Looking forward to the Larry Report. I love Printer's Plan, took me less than 2 minutes to do these stats. S. At 03:02 PM 8/1/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >Our average invoice is $297.16. What's yours? >Our sales per employee is $278,286, including owner's hours and overtime. >What's yours? >We are >25.9% offset; >36.4% digital; >16.8% vended out; >the rest is type; bindery; etc. > >I'm working on an interesting project and I'd appreciate as much >accurate info as >possible. Feel free to email me off list with the info. > >My privacy policy: just me, excel, then the trash bin. I work >alone. I just need as accurate info as possible, and when done, I'll >have some defining info to share. > >Thanks in advance, Larry > >Larry Taylor >Desert Pacific Printing >Tucson, AZ 85711 > > >www.theshackbook.com > >This book really opened my eyes. > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3318 (20080801) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From sos at olympus.net Fri Aug 1 19:41:08 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Aug 1 19:41:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey References: <200808012253.m71Mr5vB088708@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <022f01c8f430$12db5230$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > I love Printer's Plan, took me less than 2 minutes to do these stats. >>Our average invoice is $297.16. What's yours? >>Our sales per employee is $278,286, including owner's hours and overtime. >>What's yours? >>We are >>25.9% offset; >>36.4% digital; >>16.8% vended out; >>the rest is type; bindery; etc. ===================== That's interesting. I have PrintSmith and I just went through every Report available and I don't see any way to come up with any of those numbers. I did do a customer ranking though and found that again 18 of my top 20 customers are Non Profits. Average invoice, no idea. Digital 36% Offset 36% what a coincidence. Jobbed out 2% The rest type, design, bindery, mailing, etc. That is easily gleaned from Peachtree Accounting. SPE $91,142. Yikes. But we were well over $100,000 before I hired a pressman and quit working seven days a week. Tell me about the rabbits, George. I mean, the golf courses, Larry. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From k_graham at hotmail.com Fri Aug 1 19:42:00 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Fri Aug 1 19:42:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collections References: Message-ID: We have provision on our Credit Ap for a Credit Card # in lieu of References as well as mention we may use it in case of late payment. Upon receipt of agreement we put a Credit Card transaction though holding 1 penny, note this is a hold not a actual invoice but if the account is over limit or otherwise invalid the transaction will be refused - as will credit, this is our credit check. We've collected on a few occasions using this, at this point a client that wouldn't return a call will call very upset that you collected. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com Dawson Creek BC Canada 250-782-7108 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:29 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Collections ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** What do you all do for collecting bad accounts? Is there a collection agency that you recommend? Good Printing, SueAnn Schroer CPA Owner/Manager 2008 President, NAQP Carolinas Chapter Carolina Professional Printers Design Print Mail 604-2 Seaboard Street Myrtle Beach, SC 29577 Ph: 843-626-6611 Fax: 843-626-6613 www.professional-printers.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of printowners-request@printweb.org Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:25 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 36, Issue 1 Send PrintOwners mailing list submissions to printowners@printweb.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to printowners-request@printweb.org You can reach the person managing the list at printowners-owner@printweb.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of PrintOwners digest..." ***** This is a PrintOwners List Digest ***** Today's Topics: 1. Quality mailing lists (Craig Dellinger) 2. Re: Quality mailing lists (Jeff Haines) 3. Re: Quality mailing lists (Sir Speedy-Havertown) 4. RE: Flooded Back BC (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) 5. Re: Flooded Back BC (Scott Cappel) 6. RE: Flooded Back BC (Bob Molacek) 7. Not just big oil - Xpedx reports higher profits (John M. Henry) 8. Scammers still at it (clc) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:53:53 -0400 From: Craig Dellinger Subject: [PrintOwners] Quality mailing lists To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Message-ID: <4892F951.5070705@newhavenprint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Good Morning, We've done a couple mailings in the last two weeks that have have a fairly high return percentage. Both lists were purchased through Experion. The last one to $250,000+ income households for a few zips. We had 2300+ names and got 200 returned (first class postage). This list was ran through NCOA but still wasn't very high quality. Is there any other companies that have better lists? Suggestions? Or is this as good as it gets? Thanks, Craig Craig Dellinger President New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, Indiana USA Phone: 260.493.3844 Fax: 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:25:16 -0400 From: Jeff Haines Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Quality mailing lists To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Message-ID: <20080801122517.29808.327@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed At 07:53 AM 8/1/2008, you wrote: >We've done a couple mailings in the last two weeks that have have a >fairly high return percentage. Both lists were purchased through >Experion. The last one to $250,000+ income households for a few zips. >We had 2300+ names and got 200 returned (first class postage). This >list was ran through NCOA but still wasn't very high quality. Is there >any other companies that have better lists? Suggestions? Or is this >as good as it gets? I think most list providers say they are only 90% accurate so your within normal range. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955  Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz  www.hprinting.biz ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:46:57 -0400 From: "Sir Speedy-Havertown" Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Quality mailing lists To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Message-ID: <003901c8f3d4$af5356f0$6901a8c0@David> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response I was at a seminar recently put on by a direct-mail marketing "expert". That's basically all she does for a living. Her contention is that no matter the source, we should expect that a rented list is going to have 20-30% bad names. It is simply impossible for the list companies to keep them more accurate due to normal movement of people. Not certain I agree, but that's what we were told. So, your less than 10% return doesn't sound that bad if she's right. David McBride Sir Speedy-Havertown 443 West Chester Pike Havertown, PA 610-789-2685 E-mail:drmcbride@sirspeedy7099.com http://www.sirspeedy7099.com To send us a file click: http://www.sirspeedy.com/Center/FranchiseSelected.asp?FranchiseID=70990&redi rect=SendAFile Registered Member of the Microsoft Publisher Service Provider Program And the Adobe Solutions Network ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Dellinger" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Quality mailing lists > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Good Morning, > We've done a couple mailings in the last two weeks that > have have a fairly high return percentage. Both lists were > purchased through Experion. The last one to $250,000+ > income households for a few zips. We had 2300+ names and > got 200 returned (first class postage). This list was ran > through NCOA but still wasn't very high quality. Is there > any other companies that have better lists? Suggestions? > Or is this as good as it gets? > > Thanks, > Craig > > Craig Dellinger > President > New Haven Print & Copy > 7531 US 930 East > Fort Wayne, Indiana USA > Phone: 260.493.3844 > Fax: 260.493.3579 > www.newhavenprint.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:56:52 -0500 From: "Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics" Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Flooded Back BC To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Message-ID: <009301c8f3d6$12d99760$388cc620$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am assuming these are on a coated stock? If so, I would think a varnish would be your only option. If the stock is uncoated, we apply a sealer coat after printing, which has done a very good job of preventing scuffing. We purchase a product from Kohl Madden(Sun Chemical) called Write-over sealer. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 6:21 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] Flooded Back BC > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I know this is an age old question but hoping someone might be able to > help > me. Have a customer that we printed 186 red flood on the back and put > a > varnish on it. > > I don't think it changed it that much but some, and enough that they > want it > to match. They have 50 set of cards they want to do but want it to be > an > exact match. If I don't put a varnish on it I am worried they will > never > dry enough and smudge in the pocket of the CEO of the company. I know > there > are some hard dry inks but does that really dry enough to keep a > flooded > card from smudging. > > ch > > > > Charlene Sims > > President > > The Master's Press, Inc. > > 14550 Midway Road > > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > > www.TheMastersPress.com > > char@themasterspress.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:04:06 -0700 From: Scott Cappel Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Flooded Back BC To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Message-ID: <200808011305.m71D5XXn052609@i2bnetworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Varnish does have the ability to slightly change the color, but so little that most won't notice. Aqueous will not change the color, so one option is to have it aqueous coated offline either through a coating house or a commercial printer that has coating capabilities. S. At 04:21 PM 7/31/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I know this is an age old question but hoping someone might be able to help >me. Have a customer that we printed 186 red flood on the back and put a >varnish on it. > >I don't think it changed it that much but some, and enough that they want it >to match. They have 50 set of cards they want to do but want it to be an >exact match. If I don't put a varnish on it I am worried they will never >dry enough and smudge in the pocket of the CEO of the company. I know there >are some hard dry inks but does that really dry enough to keep a flooded >card from smudging. > >ch > > > >Charlene Sims > >President > >The Master's Press, Inc. > >14550 Midway Road > >Dallas, Tx 75244 > > > >972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > >www.TheMastersPress.com > >char@themasterspress.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3316 (20080731) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:14:46 -0500 From: "Bob Molacek" Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Flooded Back BC To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We use Generation 3 Training Coating from Graphics Arts Supply in Hobart, IN (219-947-1518) to Aqueous on our GTO. It dries extremely fast so you can't leave it in the press very long. It also needs to be done in a separate pass. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:04 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Flooded Back BC ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Varnish does have the ability to slightly change the color, but so little that most won't notice. Aqueous will not change the color, so one option is to have it aqueous coated offline either through a coating house or a commercial printer that has coating capabilities. S. At 04:21 PM 7/31/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I know this is an age old question but hoping someone might be able to help >me. Have a customer that we printed 186 red flood on the back and put a >varnish on it. > >I don't think it changed it that much but some, and enough that they want it >to match. They have 50 set of cards they want to do but want it to be an >exact match. If I don't put a varnish on it I am worried they will never >dry enough and smudge in the pocket of the CEO of the company. I know there >are some hard dry inks but does that really dry enough to keep a flooded >card from smudging. > >ch > > > >Charlene Sims > >President > >The Master's Press, Inc. > >14550 Midway Road > >Dallas, Tx 75244 > > > >972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > >www.TheMastersPress.com > >char@themasterspress.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3316 (20080731) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:22:31 -0400 From: "John M. Henry" Subject: [PrintOwners] Not just big oil - Xpedx reports higher profits To: Message-ID: <7B63FF6CF36646CA8F4155A459BABB03@Leo4allPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" http://members.whattheythink.com/news/newslink.cfm?id=33069 mmmm after hearing from paper salesperson how they have to raise my prices do to high gas and pulp it is comforting to hear they have higher profits as they increased margins along with the cost increases. I will be having a nice chat this week when he comes in. Along this line, Randy I see my costs have gone up again this month, was this passing along your increases do to shipping and materials? Funny I saw your 2nd quarter that says your profits rose as you quote "improved pricing and margins" note margins on us. Now a financially healthier suppler is good. I guess I am just pissed they tell me that the prices are going up not from their choice and it is out of their control. Then I read this and find they took the opportunity to not only hit us with a increase but profit from it. I think congress needs to investigate the windfall profit of paper companies We need to go green and have a paperless society John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:25:05 -0400 From: "clc" Subject: [PrintOwners] Scammers still at it To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" One of my CSR's received the deaf operator scam call yesterday on 300,000 labels from one of the Reverends. Even though we have discussed this at length in our training she went ahead and contacted Discount Label for a quote. Discount told her they had had hundreds of requests fot the same thing but did she want a price. My CSR finally woke up and said no, sorry to bother you. This was conveyed to me this morning and I thought it approiate to quote. My price is $25,000,000.00 with free freight. That's with the church discount of course. How about someone here in the US really figuring out how to burn these assholes! John, Scott, Don, Craig, Michael, Hal and others ...........I know one of you are devious enough to come up with a plan. Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road Dunbar, WV 25064 1-800-252-40111 www.crownmax.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners End of PrintOwners Digest, Vol 36, Issue 1 ****************************************** _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From printer at ptialaska.net Fri Aug 1 19:58:51 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Fri Aug 1 19:58:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Statistics Message-ID: <7058F170-897E-47B0-A367-4B967F7E9707@ptialaska.net> How many "active" jobs in shop? _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From Nancy at printingresources.com Fri Aug 1 21:27:09 2008 From: Nancy at printingresources.com (Nancy Dediemar) Date: Fri Aug 1 21:27:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quality mailing lists In-Reply-To: <4892F951.5070705@newhavenprint.com> References: <0D4EC0C0-F2A6-4A40-AE1E-DCB80381D3F0@perfpress.com><001e01c8f256$5c0e2800$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> <008501c8f26a$74f86470$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <4892F951.5070705@newhavenprint.com> Message-ID: Craig, List brokers will cite a deliverability rate of between 88% and 96%, depending on the source data and type of list. Lists compiled from public sources (such as US Census data) tend to degrade in deliverability over time as about 7% of US households move each year and not all report their change of address to the USPS. The deliverability rate should improve in November when the USPS implements new requirements for move update. In November you should be able to request a Certification of Move Update Compliance (USPS Form 6014) from the list source which means that the list was subjected to NCOA processing within the previous 95 days. Then using the NCOA codes, you could delete (or suppress from mailing) any address that wasn't verified by NCOA. Nancy DeDiemar Printing Resources of Southern California 893 W 9th St, Upland, CA 91786 909/981-5715 phone 909/981-9396 FAX http://www.printingresources.com mailto:nancy@printingresources.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Craig Dellinger Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 4:54 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Quality mailing lists ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Good Morning, We've done a couple mailings in the last two weeks that have have a fairly high return percentage. Both lists were purchased through Experion. The last one to $250,000+ income households for a few zips. We had 2300+ names and got 200 returned (first class postage). This list was ran through NCOA but still wasn't very high quality. Is there any other companies that have better lists? Suggestions? Or is this as good as it gets? Thanks, Craig Craig Dellinger President New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, Indiana USA Phone: 260.493.3844 Fax: 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com Fri Aug 1 23:18:12 2008 From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat) Date: Fri Aug 1 23:18:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey In-Reply-To: <022f01c8f430$12db5230$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <200808012253.m71Mr5vB088708@i2bnetworks.com> <022f01c8f430$12db5230$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: Dan, Go into your Monthly Sales Report, select the months you are interested in, that will 01/08 - 07/08 (press Shift Key to select range) and then get a Sales Summary Report. That report will give you a composite of all your sales; it will give you all the information you need. Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:41 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Survey ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > I love Printer's Plan, took me less than 2 minutes to do these stats. >>Our average invoice is $297.16. What's yours? >>Our sales per employee is $278,286, including owner's hours and overtime. >>What's yours? >>We are >>25.9% offset; >>36.4% digital; >>16.8% vended out; >>the rest is type; bindery; etc. ===================== That's interesting. I have PrintSmith and I just went through every Report available and I don't see any way to come up with any of those numbers. I did do a customer ranking though and found that again 18 of my top 20 customers are Non Profits. Average invoice, no idea. Digital 36% Offset 36% what a coincidence. Jobbed out 2% The rest type, design, bindery, mailing, etc. That is easily gleaned from Peachtree Accounting. SPE $91,142. Yikes. But we were well over $100,000 before I hired a pressman and quit working seven days a week. Tell me about the rabbits, George. I mean, the golf courses, Larry. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Sat Aug 2 06:49:56 2008 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Sat Aug 2 06:49:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Statistics References: <7058F170-897E-47B0-A367-4B967F7E9707@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <000401c8f48d$81dc8ca0$042967d3@kp4> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles A. Lincoln" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 6:58 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Statistics > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > How many "active" jobs in shop? > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From ron at printingconcepts.com Sat Aug 2 09:46:24 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Sat Aug 2 09:46:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collections Message-ID: The best thing we ever did was include a personal guarantee on our credit application at the bottom of our credit application. Of course, we cross this out for larger corporations, but for the small, closely held corp., especially the small ad agency, this is critical. If any small company refuses to sign, we don't want to do business with them anyway. I will never forget delivering a job to a beautiful home and the owner had his deed in a frame on the wall. He pulled the plug on his corporation and I got burnt for the job. If I would have had a personal guarantee on him I could have gone after a piece of that house. There are numerous business owners out there who have no problem sticking you even though they have plenty of money personally. Our loss to bad debt is usually around .003 of sales or less. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons" "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, and of the merchants a merchant." RALPH WALDO EMERSON Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From kellycrom at gmail.com Sat Aug 2 10:38:33 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Sat Aug 2 10:38:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008901c8f4ad$721d1fd0$56575f70$@com> We just finished up our fiscal year end, so here are the numbers from that. Average invoice: $547.92 Sales/employee: $120,833 Press: 37.4% Digital: 14% Bindery: 10% Typesetting/Prepress: 17% Outside services: 6.5% This took less than 1 minute in PrintSmith. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Larry Taylor > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:02 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Our average invoice is $297.16. What's yours? > Our sales per employee is $278,286, including owner's hours and > overtime. > What's yours? > We are > 25.9% offset; > 36.4% digital; > 16.8% vended out; > the rest is type; bindery; etc. > > I'm working on an interesting project and I'd appreciate as much > accurate > info as > possible. Feel free to email me off list with the info. > > My privacy policy: just me, excel, then the trash bin. I work alone. > I > just need as accurate info as possible, and when done, I'll have some > defining info to share. > > Thanks in advance, Larry > > Larry Taylor > Desert Pacific Printing > Tucson, AZ 85711 > > > www.theshackbook.com > > This book really opened my eyes. > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Sat Aug 2 12:29:34 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Sat Aug 2 12:29:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Bad joke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAC2D4154F91F5-1678-3D75@FWM-M11.sysops.aol.com> LM( Y )O Sorry babe but that was a great printer's joke! Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott and Gail Finke To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 2:09 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Bad joke ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Bad joke for Ffriday:? ? Two fonts walk into a bar. The bartender snarls and says, ?We don?t serve your type here. If you don?t leave, I?ll have to call the serif.?? ? ? Gail Finke? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -? Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc.8630 Winton Road? Cincinnati, OH 45231? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -? (513) 522-2679? Fax 522-2692? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -? info@brentwood-printing.com? www.brentwood-printing.com? ? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? From sos at olympus.net Sat Aug 2 13:25:40 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Sat Aug 2 13:25:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey References: <200808012253.m71Mr5vB088708@i2bnetworks.com><022f01c8f430$12db5230$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <025401c8f4c4$c948add0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > Go into your Monthly Sales Report, select the months you are interested > in, > that will 01/08 - 07/08 (press Shift Key to select range) and then get a > Sales Summary Report. That report will give you a composite of all your > sales; it will give you all the information you need. =================== Average sale: $0.0 That is an area of the program I've never seen in my 10 years of trying to use PrintSmith. Most of our sales never get into PrintSmith. No copy jobs, wide format jobs, etc. etc. Only print jobs get estimated in PS. How do you get even that info into your Sales Reports? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From kellycrom at gmail.com Sat Aug 2 13:59:05 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Sat Aug 2 13:59:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey In-Reply-To: <025401c8f4c4$c948add0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <200808012253.m71Mr5vB088708@i2bnetworks.com><022f01c8f430$12db5230$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <025401c8f4c4$c948add0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <00ae01c8f4c9$75d1b2a0$617517e0$@com> Dan, If you are not actually billing any jobs in Printsmith, then you will never have true access to even the most basic reports(Daily Sales, Monthly Sales, etc) which are built into the program(Report Writer not required). The only built-in reports you may be able to do is "new estimates" under Daily and Monthly sales. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 12:26 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Survey > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Go into your Monthly Sales Report, select the months you are > interested > > in, > > that will 01/08 - 07/08 (press Shift Key to select range) and then > get a > > Sales Summary Report. That report will give you a composite of all > your > > sales; it will give you all the information you need. > =================== > > Average sale: $0.0 > > That is an area of the program I've never seen in my 10 years of trying > to > use PrintSmith. > Most of our sales never get into PrintSmith. No copy jobs, wide format > jobs, etc. etc. Only print jobs get estimated in PS. How do you get > even > that info into your Sales Reports? > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Sat Aug 2 14:17:21 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Sat Aug 2 14:17:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey References: <200808012253.m71Mr5vB088708@i2bnetworks.com><022f01c8f430$12db5230$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <025401c8f4c4$c948add0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <00ae01c8f4c9$75d1b2a0$617517e0$@com> Message-ID: <02bc01c8f4cc$01b78810$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics" The only > built-in reports you may be able to do is "new estimates" under Daily and > Monthly sales. =================== Oh yeah, I've got millions of dollars worth of estimates. Thousands and thousands of estimates. Wish I knew how the rest of the program works. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Sat Aug 2 14:33:14 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Sat Aug 2 14:33:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] More survey info Message-ID: I'd like to study the relationships of these numbers to see what turns up. Specifically, I'm curious about sales per employees and how it relates to the other numbers. The year I used for my own data was 2007. Some questions I didn't ask are net profit percentage, and how many customers do over 5% of sales. I want to gain trust, and I don't expect too many people to reply because this is not a 'professional' analysis nor one backed by NAQP.never the less, we all run our businesses professionally and the numbers fall into place regardless of who is calculating them..in this case myself. In that regard, numbers give a picture and we can draw some conclusions. I have a follow up questionnaire planned later this year. My main point is to find the differences between printshop performance and for those who want to change their performance, the numbers will provide a portion of the answer. Just a portion. On the other hand.....I have observed print shops that make only a few internal changes which gives the owners and employees a pleasant surprise. Thanks again if you plan to send me your info. *****If you prefer to fax it anonymously, my fax number is 520-747-0802. No need to put your company name on it. I don't care who you are. I only am interested in the numbers.********* Or email me offline at eatnsleepgolf@msn.com Thanks again for your help. Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Sat Aug 2 14:44:13 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Sat Aug 2 14:44:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printsmith reports Message-ID: You need to post invoices and close out regularly (we do it daily). I'm guessing you don't use PS for statements, because you would have to post the invoices to the accounts. We don't use PS for print shop management, but we do for invoicing, estimates, statements. Also to track customer's sales and a few other things. For us, it's too time consuming to dig any deeper into it. Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 Average sale: $0.0 That is an area of the program I've never seen in my 10 years of trying to use PrintSmith. Most of our sales never get into PrintSmith. No copy jobs, wide format jobs, etc. etc. Only print jobs get estimated in PS. How do you get even that info into your Sales Reports? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Sat Aug 2 14:46:18 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Sat Aug 2 14:46:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PG Message-ID: Message: 5 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 09:46:24 -0400 From: "Ron Taggart" > Subject: [PrintOwners] Collections To: "printowners" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The best thing we ever did was include a personal guarantee on our credit application at the bottom of our credit application. Of course, we cross this out for larger corporations, but for the small, closely held corp., especially the small ad agency, this is critical. If any small company refuses to sign, we don't want to do business with them anyway. ____________________________________________________________ What he said. Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From slb at inkspot.net Sun Aug 3 13:13:49 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Sun Aug 3 13:13:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collections In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4895AF0D.13104.36E413E8@slb.inkspot.net> Ron, Would you be willing to share a copy of your credit app? Thanks in advance, either way, Steve > > The best thing we ever did was include a personal guarantee on our credit > application at the bottom of our credit application. Of course, we cross > this out for larger corporations, but for the small, closely held corp., > especially the small ad agency, this is critical. If any small company > refuses to sign, we don't want to do business with them anyway. > > > I will never forget delivering a job to a beautiful home and the owner had > his deed in a frame on the wall. He pulled the plug on his corporation and > I got burnt for the job. If I would have had a personal guarantee on him I > could have gone after a piece of that house. There are numerous business > owners out there who have no problem sticking you even though they have > plenty of money personally. > > Our loss to bad debt is usually around .003 of sales or less. > > > > > Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below > should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a > statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general > edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. > > "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, > adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." > > ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons" > > "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, > and of the merchants a merchant." > > RALPH WALDO EMERSON > > > > > Ron Taggart, President > PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. > 4246 Hudson Drive > Stow, Ohio 44224 > 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 > www.printingconcepts.com > ron@printingconcepts.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3322 (20080803) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From printer at ptialaska.net Sun Aug 3 17:30:31 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Sun Aug 3 17:30:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey In-Reply-To: <02bc01c8f4cc$01b78810$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <200808012253.m71Mr5vB088708@i2bnetworks.com><022f01c8f430$12db5230$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <025401c8f4c4$c948add0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <00ae01c8f4c9$75d1b2a0$617517e0$@com> <02bc01c8f4cc$01b78810$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <1CEC8AB5-FD88-4F5A-A484-0665EEB26C73@ptialaska.net> On Aug 2, 2008, at 10:17 AM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Oh yeah, I've got millions of dollars worth of estimates. Thousands > and thousands of estimates. > Wish I knew how the rest of the program works. REPLY: Dan, nothing happens until you convert the estimate to an invoice, then you can use the program. INVOICES will print job tickets, invoices, then when the job is complete you post it, then you can print statements etc. Open the estimate and either go to COPY TO NEW INVOICE (which will leave the estimate in the estimate window), or CONVERT TO INVOICE (which will remove it from the estimate window but save it in the estimate history). YOU HAVE TO convert the estimates to invoices for the accounting to know that you have jobs. I feel you may not be using it properly but could with a bit of help. If you like I will send you screenshots of how it should look. Let me know... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From printer at ptialaska.net Sun Aug 3 17:31:29 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Sun Aug 3 17:31:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printsmith reports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76C32B2D-9686-4DE2-B2F1-F724E9FBB3C9@ptialaska.net> On Aug 2, 2008, at 10:44 AM, larry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > We don't use PS for print shop management, but we do for invoicing, > estimates, statements. Also to track customer's sales and a few > other things. REPLY: Hmmm, isnt that what printshop management is all about? _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From robin at protypeonline.com Mon Aug 4 13:11:34 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Mon Aug 4 13:11:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Owner invitations & letters Message-ID: I have two different events scheduled for August 28 at our new, additional location. The business name will be changed from Wright Printing to Pro-Type Printing, Inc. First event will be a morning, 8-10am, open house/continental breakfast, for all the local business neighbors, chamber officials, city officials -- all of whom could just walk to our location. We are in a heavy traffic retail area, college campus and uptown redevelopment underway with Marriott Hotel and Conference Center being built 100 yards from our back door. Next door business neighbor is a very popular coffee shop that has agreed to provide coffee and bakery goods at no charge in exchange for some advertising. We are printing a wide format poster (and putting a small corner wrap that says we printed it) and some color brochures that we will print while the open house is held. I am not too concerned about these business neighbors/ customers. We will continue to get their business -- they have watched the changes and been in for printing/copies many times. Thinking maybe an invitation that resembles a flyer, full color...maybe some humor? HELP! I'm not in a humorous mood these days. Second event will be a cocktail hour for our top 30 customers and some other potentials or friends. Across the street from our building at a local restaurant -- again we are "partnering" with them. These are the folks that need to be courted and comforted -- we have changed. Some of them are already aware of change in ownership -- but changing the name? Not yet. Things have changed -- for them, for the better -- YES!!! JENNI is HERE! Stu has retired and moved out of the area. This is one small business buying another small business -- same philosophies -- just put in some new equipment and software to do more for customers.....I'm struggling with a form letter to send to these folks. I need to comfort, hold hands, and at the same time -- get them excited about what more we can do for them. Anyone written a letter like this before? If so, will you share it with me? Robin p.s. by the way, I purchased "Just Ol' Stu's" business -- 45 miles west of my current location....and not one stoplight until I get to the Normal, IL city limits! :))) Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon Aug 4 13:16:07 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon Aug 4 13:17:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Owner invitations & letters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200808041717.m74HHb10060582@i2bnetworks.com> Why don't you have Jenni write and sign the letter introducing you. Not one stoplight huh....sigh. Sounds like John Henry and his stressful commute.... S. At 10:11 AM 8/4/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I have two different events scheduled for August 28 at our new, >additional location. The business name will be changed from Wright >Printing to Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > >First event will be a morning, 8-10am, open house/continental >breakfast, for all the local business neighbors, chamber officials, >city officials -- all of whom could just walk to our location. We are >in a heavy traffic retail area, college campus and uptown >redevelopment underway with Marriott Hotel and Conference Center being >built 100 yards from our back door. Next door business neighbor is a >very popular coffee shop that has agreed to provide coffee and bakery >goods at no charge in exchange for some advertising. We are printing a >wide format poster (and putting a small corner wrap that says we >printed it) and some color brochures that we will print while the open >house is held. I am not too concerned about these business >neighbors/ customers. We will continue to get their business -- they >have watched >the changes and been in for printing/copies many times. Thinking maybe >an invitation that resembles a flyer, full color...maybe some humor? >HELP! I'm not in a humorous mood these days. > >Second event will be a cocktail hour for our top 30 customers and some >other potentials or friends. Across the street from our building at a >local restaurant -- again we are "partnering" with them. These are the >folks that need to be courted and comforted -- we have changed. Some >of them are already aware of change in ownership -- but changing the >name? Not yet. Things have changed -- for them, for the better -- >YES!!! JENNI is HERE! Stu has retired and moved out of the area. This >is one small business buying another small business -- same >philosophies -- just put in some new equipment and software to do more >for customers.....I'm struggling with a form letter to send to these >folks. I need to comfort, hold hands, and at the same time -- get them >excited about what more we can do for them. Anyone written a letter >like this before? If so, will you share it with me? > >Robin > >p.s. by the way, I purchased "Just Ol' Stu's" business -- 45 miles >west of my current location....and not one stoplight until I get to >the Normal, IL city limits! :))) > > >Pro-Type Printing, Inc. >Robin Niewold >robin@protypeonline.com > > >PAXTON >130 N. Market Street >Paxton, IL 60957 >217.379.4715 > >NORMAL >203 North Street >Normal, IL 61761 >309.452.4409 > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3324 (20080804) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Mon Aug 4 14:00:50 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Mon Aug 4 14:00:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Discount Label CS conversation Message-ID: <489743D2.6060200@sugarloafprint.com> Amazing 4th order in a row Discount Label made a mistake. The first three times I was pleasant. I just got off the phone with Robin... I said to Robin, "Your company has a quality control problem" She agreed and went on to say "Sir, you have to understand we do about 2,000 orders everyday and out of that only 190 people call with a problem!" "Robin" I said, "That is over a 9% error rate, industry standard is 2%-3% errors. I need a vendor I can trust." We left at as they will reprint it today and overnight it. I will have it tomorrow, on their dime. They funny thing I realized during our conversation was, they where proud of the fact that they can fix their errors so quickly. These people are more "re-active" instead of "pro-active". They are more concerned with putting out fires instead of preventing them. A lousy way to run a business. -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From sos at olympus.net Mon Aug 4 14:04:19 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Aug 4 14:04:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Owner invitations & letters References: Message-ID: <037201c8f65c$8497e3b0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > p.s. by the way, I purchased "Just Ol' Stu's" business -- 45 miles > west of my current location....and not one stoplight until I get to the > Normal, IL city limits! :))) ====================== Geez Robin, Just Ol' Stu is one of the best, and most humorous writers I can think of, unless you can get Dave Barry. Why not ask Stu if he'll pitch in for one last letter. And Congratulations on the big purchase! Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Mon Aug 4 14:12:39 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Mon Aug 4 14:13:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Discount Label CS conversation In-Reply-To: <489743D2.6060200@sugarloafprint.com> References: <489743D2.6060200@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: <7E564374-56EA-441B-8FF7-53958D04C7D3@inkonpaper.biz> On Aug 4, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Ron Sardo wrote: > They funny thing I realized during our conversation was, they where > proud of the fact that they can fix their errors so quickly. These > people are more "re-active" instead of "pro-active". They are more > concerned with putting out fires instead of preventing them. A > lousy way to run a business. I've toured the discount labels factory. It is an amazing operation. The volume they put through that place in a day was impressive. Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." From steveprint at aol.com Mon Aug 4 02:24:20 2008 From: steveprint at aol.com (StevePrint) Date: Mon Aug 4 14:23:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Discount Label CS conversation In-Reply-To: <489743D2.6060200@sugarloafprint.com> References: <489743D2.6060200@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: Been using Discount for last 7 years. Never had an error. We supply PDF's of all items. Best service in industry. Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting In a message dated 08/04/08 11:02:51 Pacific Daylight Time, po-lists@sugarloafprint.com writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Amazing 4th order in a row Discount Label made a mistake. The first three times I was pleasant. I just got off the phone with Robin... I said to Robin, "Your company has a quality control problem" She agreed and went on to say "Sir, you have to understand we do about 2,000 orders everyday and out of that only 190 people call with a problem!" "Robin" I said, "That is over a 9% error rate, industry standard is 2%-3% errors. I need a vendor I can trust." We left at as they will reprint it today and overnight it. I will have it tomorrow, on their dime. They funny thing I realized during our conversation was, they where proud of the fact that they can fix their errors so quickly. These people are more "re-active" instead of "pro-active". They are more concerned with putting out fires instead of preventing them. A lousy way to run a business. -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Mon Aug 4 14:29:34 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Harkins) Date: Mon Aug 4 14:30:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Discount Label CS conversation In-Reply-To: <489743D2.6060200@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: On 8/4/08 1:00 PM, "Ron Sardo" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Amazing > > 4th order in a row Discount Label made a mistake. Hi Ron, You might give AmeriCal Stickers a try. They have very competitive pricing, fast turn-around, $3 shipping and seldom make errors. They are a locally owned company in Omaha. www.americalstickers.com 800-228-8809 Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Mon Aug 4 14:43:12 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Mon Aug 4 14:43:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Discount Label CS conversation In-Reply-To: References: <489743D2.6060200@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: <48974DC0.4080404@sugarloafprint.com> StevePrint wrote: > Been using Discount for last 7 years. Never had an error. We supply PDF's of all items. > Best service in industry. > We PDF too But when you ask for, 3" core with a #2 unwind and get no core and #1 unwind, no pdf in the world will prevent that type of problem. On the previous two orders, they had the ink colors and the quantities mixed on a two label order. It's never the art, it's always the other specs that they miss BTW - I've been using Discount Label for 22+ years -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From greg at pressexpress.org Mon Aug 4 17:04:41 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon Aug 4 17:05:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Discount Label CS conversation In-Reply-To: References: <489743D2.6060200@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: YOU WON'T BELIEVE THIS STORY One pdf I supplied to Discount Labels, they decided to get in it and reduce the product bar code because it was close to the edge. It was a 2-color label with bleed. At customers request, I had to have the labels drop shipped to another state to where the application to the product took place. When I found out that they reduced the bar codes, I got scared and asked for them to overnight a sample. Next day, I got the sample. The sample looked like it went thru a train wreck and there was NO bar code at all! Called the client, they contacted the company who manufactured the product that was hand applying the labels. By the time they were contacted, half of 30,000 boxes were labeled. Only sensible recourses were to: A) reprint the 3x5 labels and try to hand apply OVER existing labels or: B), print tiny bar code labels and hand place into the void of the existing label. The client went with the tiny bar code labels. The company doing the hand applying gave me an invoice for $800 to re- label 15,000 buggers by hand (after all, it was not their mistake). Discount Labels was very good at fixing the problem. They ran the bar codes for free, over-nighted them, picked up the tab for the $800 extra labor and reran the balance of the labels WITH the bar codes for free. Those too were overnighted. However, the nightmare continues. The rerun is extremely out of register. The client, polite, but finished, accepted the out of register labels at a discount. The client was thru dealing with me and just wanted closure. Moral of the story, I now NEVER drop ship ANYTHING a second party prints for me to a third party REGARDLESS of clients demands. They come to me first for inspection. Discount Labels made good on their mistake, however . . . . . . . . . . . After months of door knocking, I finally got my foot in this accounts door and they gave me an order. - First job for this new client and it was really screwed up. Even the fix up was screwed up. I lost the account. Oh, I forgot to mention, the account is the largest employer in our town, employing over 800 with annual sales of $250,000,000.00. Yes that is a quarter of a billion dollars in yearly sales. They are the WORLDS largest pet internet mail order company. Knocking on their door since then, I was told that I had my chance. Oh well, I guess I will have to go out and find another multi billion dollar company in my neck of the rural woods to do printing for. Uuggg. Greg On Aug 4, 2008, at 1:24 AM, StevePrint wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Been using Discount for last 7 years. Never had an error. We supply > PDF's of all items. > Best service in industry. > > Steve Salstrom > Bay Business Printing > 1521 Cornwall Ave. > Bellingham, WA 98225 > 360-671-2997 > www.iorderprinting.com > Ideas & Solutions > http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting > > > > In a message dated 08/04/08 11:02:51 Pacific Daylight Time, po-lists@sugarloafprint.com > writes: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Amazing > > 4th order in a row Discount Label made a mistake. > > The first three times I was pleasant. > > I just got off the phone with Robin... > > I said to Robin, "Your company has a quality control problem" > She agreed and went on to say "Sir, you have to understand we do about > 2,000 orders everyday and out of that only 190 people call with a > problem!" > > "Robin" I said, "That is over a 9% error rate, industry standard is > 2%-3% errors. I need a vendor I can trust." > > We left at as they will reprint it today and overnight it. I will have > it tomorrow, on their dime. > > They funny thing I realized during our conversation was, they where > proud of the fact that they can fix their errors so quickly. These > people are more "re-active" instead of "pro-active". They are more > concerned with putting out fires instead of preventing them. A lousy > way > to run a business. > > -- > Ron Sardo > Sugarloaf Print Shop > mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com > www.sugarloafprint.com > 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From steveprint at aol.com Mon Aug 4 05:08:08 2008 From: steveprint at aol.com (StevePrint) Date: Mon Aug 4 17:07:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Discount Label CS conversation In-Reply-To: <48974DC0.4080404@sugarloafprint.com> References: <489743D2.6060200@sugarloafprint.com>, , <48974DC0.4080404@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: <2a6b75d8.1edb.4042.8032.e6259b4d4777@aol.com> You always want to make sure it's entered in Special Instructions. We always hope they are read. Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting In a message dated 08/04/08 11:44:42 Pacific Daylight Time, po-lists@sugarloafprint.com writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** StevePrint wrote: > Been using Discount for last 7 years. Never had an error. We supply PDF's of all items. > Best service in industry. > We PDF too But when you ask for, 3" core with a #2 unwind and get no core and #1 unwind, no pdf in the world will prevent that type of problem. On the previous two orders, they had the ink colors and the quantities mixed on a two label order. It's never the art, it's always the other specs that they miss BTW - I've been using Discount Label for 22+ years -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kk1400 at charterinternet.com Mon Aug 4 17:18:33 2008 From: kk1400 at charterinternet.com (Monica Mead) Date: Mon Aug 4 17:17:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Remote Control a PC from a Mac In-Reply-To: <200807312312.m6VNC3o1048455@i2bnetworks.com> References: <200807312312.m6VNC3o1048455@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20080804211700.HGLA3082.aacpub02.charter.net@DellD800.charterinternet.com> We just tried this and it works pretty slick, although the two computers cannot be used simultaneously. Our prepress guy thinks this is pretty cool...but my CSR is a little freaked out that he has access to her computer...LOL. Not sure exactly what we'll use it for, haven't given that much thought yet but I thought it was pretty cool too... Thanks Scott! Monica Mead Kwik Kopy Printing Dundas MN At 06:10 PM 7/31/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >http://tinyurl.com/22oqxl > >and its free! > >S. > > >At 03:44 PM 7/31/2008, you wrote: >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>Is there a way that I can control our PC from one of our Mac >>workstations? We mainly use our PC for Publisher files and Fiery >>Command Workstation with our Doc 240. Is there a way that I can run >>an application that will show the PC screen in a window on my Mac? >>Thanks. >> >>I'm running OS X 10.4.11 and the PC is XP Media Center Edition SP 2. >> >>Joseph Marsh >>Maui Print Works >>Phone: 808-242-6634 >>Fax: 808-242-8967 >>Cell: 808-264-6382 >>joseph@mauiprintworks.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >>__________ NOD32 3316 (20080731) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com > >_____________________________________________ > >Scott Cappel > >Sorrento Mesa Printing >7398 Trade Street >San Diego, CA 92121-2422 >858-527-0800 >858-527-1740 FAX >http://www.sorrentomesa.com > >LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > >Direct Links for Learning: >http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html >http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html >http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > >Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider >Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider >Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level >Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > >Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3317 (20080801) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > From bill at werkheiser.com Mon Aug 4 17:45:53 2008 From: bill at werkheiser.com (Bill Werkheiser) Date: Mon Aug 4 17:43:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 1-1/2" Ring Binders In-Reply-To: References: <489743D2.6060200@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: <48977891.2030902@werkheiser.com> I have a customer that has 5 pallets of brand new looking 1-1/2" ring binders that are still in the original box. They asked me about disposing of them and I suggested bringing them to my warehouse and I would try to find a home for them. The biggest problem is they have a corporate logo on the cover and the spine. I would not think this would be a problem especially in a third world country that could use them for educational purposes. Total count is 2,400. If any of you have connections with a sizeable ministry, please contact me offline (bill@welovetoprint.com). I might even pay or help pay for the freight depending on who the ministry was and if I felt the freight would be a burden on them. Bill Werkheiser http://WeLoveToPrint.com SE PrinTech / Coastal Mailing Services P O Box 27 - 315 E Banks St. Glennville, GA 30427 (912) 654-3610 phone (912) 654-3611 fax > From steveprint at aol.com Mon Aug 4 06:00:19 2008 From: steveprint at aol.com (StevePrint) Date: Mon Aug 4 17:59:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Coffee Mugs Message-ID: <4f58038d.08ea.4daf.8f38.f1a053b779ff@aol.com> Need a vendor for coffee Mugs, Thanks Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 18:23:51 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Aug 4 18:23:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 1-1/2" Ring Binders In-Reply-To: <48977891.2030902@werkheiser.com> References: <489743D2.6060200@sugarloafprint.com> <48977891.2030902@werkheiser.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0808041523o40460d8di45cc9b39510ff6ef@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Bill Werkheiser wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a customer that has 5 pallets of brand new looking 1-1/2" ring > binders that are still in the original box. They asked me about disposing of > them and I suggested bringing them to my warehouse and I would try to find a > home for them. The biggest problem is they have a corporate logo on the > cover and the spine. I would not think this would be a problem especially in > a third world country that could use them for educational purposes. Total > count is 2,400. If any of you have connections with a sizeable ministry, > please contact me offline (bill@welovetoprint.com). I might even pay or > help pay for the freight depending on who the ministry was and if I felt the > freight would be a burden on them. > > I know of one in Ghana, but you'll have to prepay the freight in cash. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From jodib at blackfoot.net Mon Aug 4 19:03:56 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Mon Aug 4 19:04:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 1-1/2" Ring Binders References: <489743D2.6060200@sugarloafprint.com><48977891.2030902@werkheiser.com> <98f5b19a0808041523o40460d8di45cc9b39510ff6ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <014901c8f686$5fc44d10$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Would there maybe be a school in a city somewhere, where the students could benefit from using these? (and the comment about the prepaid freight was funny.....) Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Vogel" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 1-1/2" Ring Binders > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Bill Werkheiser > wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I have a customer that has 5 pallets of brand new looking 1-1/2" ring >> binders that are still in the original box. They asked me about disposing >> of >> them and I suggested bringing them to my warehouse and I would try to >> find a >> home for them. The biggest problem is they have a corporate logo on the >> cover and the spine. I would not think this would be a problem especially >> in >> a third world country that could use them for educational purposes. Total >> count is 2,400. If any of you have connections with a sizeable ministry, >> please contact me offline (bill@welovetoprint.com). I might even pay or >> help pay for the freight depending on who the ministry was and if I felt >> the >> freight would be a burden on them. >> >> > > I know of one in Ghana, but you'll have to prepay the freight in cash. > > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Sir Francis Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Mon Aug 4 19:52:44 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Mon Aug 4 19:54:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 1-1/2" Ring Binders In-Reply-To: <20080804230403.A1A641013382@rb.enter.net> References: <20080804230403.A1A641013382@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: If the binders are silk-screened, an enterprising soul might try lacquer thinner to remove the image. Preferably a non-smoker, more than 15 feet from any building! Perhaps one could ask any binder manufacturer how they remove unwanted images. OR ...... add the line "Donated by ......" just above the company's logo. > I have a customer that has 5 pallets of brand new looking 1-1/2" > ring binders that are still in the original box. They asked me about > disposing of them and I suggested bringing them to my warehouse and > I would try to find a home for them. The biggest problem is they > have a corporate logo on the cover and the spine. . . . . Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From tomk at kingprintingonline.com Tue Aug 5 08:51:55 2008 From: tomk at kingprintingonline.com (Tom King) Date: Tue Aug 5 08:52:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source for 15.5 x 20 Laminated Menus Message-ID: <000e01c8f6fa$0a448a20$1ecd9e60$@com> Looking for: 15.5" x 20" Laminated Menu. 300 quantity. Laminate, score, fold in thirds. Full color two sides. Any ideas where to go? Thanks! Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From inkyhand at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 09:12:30 2008 From: inkyhand at gmail.com (Ron Livingston) Date: Tue Aug 5 09:12:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source for 15.5 x 20 Laminated Menus In-Reply-To: <000e01c8f6fa$0a448a20$1ecd9e60$@com> References: <000e01c8f6fa$0a448a20$1ecd9e60$@com> Message-ID: <5c2107b30808050612v7ef0abeam41fffdc6f7dd5f78@mail.gmail.com> Try Victor Cornelius Menus www.vcmenus.com I went to their website & it looks like they are updating & revamping it, but the contact info is there. Ron On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:51 AM, Tom King wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Looking for: 15.5" x 20" Laminated Menu. 300 quantity. Laminate, score, > fold > in thirds. Full color two sides. > > Any ideas where to go? > > Thanks! > > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Ron Livingston Cornerstone Press 1228 Scyene, Suite 117 Mesquite, TX 75149 (972) 285-4670 From steveprint at aol.com Tue Aug 5 01:00:39 2008 From: steveprint at aol.com (StevePrint) Date: Tue Aug 5 13:00:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Coffee Mugs Message-ID: <2d776b12.28f8.42c8.9d48.2dac8e7d0bd7@aol.com> Appreciate names of vendors your using for Coffee Mugs. Thanks, Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 13:09:41 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Aug 5 13:09:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Coffee Mugs In-Reply-To: <2d776b12.28f8.42c8.9d48.2dac8e7d0bd7@aol.com> References: <2d776b12.28f8.42c8.9d48.2dac8e7d0bd7@aol.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0808051009w49d4edbdv376ca56496c02dde@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 1:00 AM, StevePrint wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Appreciate names of vendors your using for Coffee Mugs. > Thanks, There are literally hundreds, or more, such vendors. But www.bulletline.com might be a good place to start. > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Sir Francis Bacon > From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Tue Aug 5 13:18:10 2008 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Tue Aug 5 13:18:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Coffee Mugs References: <2d776b12.28f8.42c8.9d48.2dac8e7d0bd7@aol.com> Message-ID: <4098DCB3DAB14FC5B10C761BEEE2B1B0@Nancy> allenmugs.com We use Allen Mugs. A local co. here in SW Ohio. Great people to work with They are a long way from WA. Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting ----- Original Message ----- From: "StevePrint" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:00 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Coffee Mugs > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Appreciate names of vendors your using for Coffee Mugs. > Thanks, > > Steve Salstrom > Bay Business Printing > 1521 Cornwall Ave. > Bellingham, WA 98225 > 360-671-2997 > www.iorderprinting.com > Ideas & Solutions > http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From kk1127 at mindspring.com Tue Aug 5 13:49:12 2008 From: kk1127 at mindspring.com (John Hughes) Date: Tue Aug 5 13:49:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Another PDF Question References: <000e01c8f6fa$0a448a20$1ecd9e60$@com> <5c2107b30808050612v7ef0abeam41fffdc6f7dd5f78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001101c8f723$933b6b40$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Customer provides a Freehand file (ugh, again). After some type changes, we create a PDF. The graphics on the PDF are pixaleted. File prints directly from Freehand ok. ADOBE support couldn't help. Any thoughts? TIA John Hughes Kwik Kopy Printing kk1127@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Livingston" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Source for 15.5 x 20 Laminated Menus > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Try Victor Cornelius Menus > > www.vcmenus.com > > I went to their website & it looks like they are updating & revamping it, > but the contact info is there. > Ron > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:51 AM, Tom King > wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Looking for: 15.5" x 20" Laminated Menu. 300 quantity. Laminate, score, >> fold >> in thirds. Full color two sides. >> >> Any ideas where to go? >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> Tom King >> King Printing >> 1305 W. College Ave. >> State College, PA 16801 >> Phone: 814-238-2536 >> Fax: 814-237-5238 >> Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > -- > Ron Livingston > Cornerstone Press > 1228 Scyene, Suite 117 > Mesquite, TX 75149 > (972) 285-4670 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Aug 5 15:07:47 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Aug 5 15:08:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Google Ads Message-ID: <8CAC545AEE063EC-1F58-F12@MBLK-M10.sysops.aol.com> Anyone here using this service to attract internet business? If so, how the you feel your doing with them. Thanks in advance. Tommy Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com From kellycrom at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 15:41:08 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Tue Aug 5 15:41:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Google Ads In-Reply-To: <8CAC545AEE063EC-1F58-F12@MBLK-M10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAC545AEE063EC-1F58-F12@MBLK-M10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001c8f733$362953d0$a27bfb70$@com> We just started using the Google Ad Words in June. So far, we have 1 confirmed new account as a result. First job was about $1000, and included mailing. Looks like she is shaping up to be an ongoing customer. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 2:08 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Cc: members@printimageintl.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Google Ads > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Anyone here using this service to attract internet business? If so, how > the you feel your doing with them. > Thanks in advance. > > Tommy > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From hal at pickimp.com Tue Aug 5 15:49:37 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Tue Aug 5 15:48:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Google Ads References: <8CAC545AEE063EC-1F58-F12@MBLK-M10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001301c8f734$66bbc180$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Which Google product are asking about? Google Ads or Google Adwords? I've been using google ads on one of my sites and I'm averaging $30 to $35 per month in income. We do not use google adwords. Hal From prtquick at eos.net Tue Aug 5 16:33:23 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Tue Aug 5 16:29:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Diplomas Source In-Reply-To: <001101c8f723$933b6b40$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> References: <000e01c8f6fa$0a448a20$1ecd9e60$@com> <5c2107b30808050612v7ef0abeam41fffdc6f7dd5f78@mail.gmail.com> <001101c8f723$933b6b40$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: Yes, I know, I can get them in college -- haha. Does anyone have a good source for engraving in general or specifically diplomas? It has 2-metallics in engraving and black thermography. (I didn't get a response last week, so I am cross-posting this.) Thanks! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From slb at inkspot.net Tue Aug 5 16:54:28 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Aug 5 16:54:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] need unusual envelope Message-ID: <489885C4.14102.41FACE98@slb.inkspot.net> A customer would like us to supply a specialty envelope for his business. The sample he left is 4.5" x 10.25", or thereabouts. It has a large flap and side seams like a remit envelope, but no adhesive. It appears to have been coverted from 80# leatherette cover. His business is a cemetery, and he uses these to hold the cemetery paperwork he gives to his customers. The imprint is 1/0 black--we'd probably have to have them printed by whomever makes them, since they're probably too thick to go through a press. Any ideas? TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From slb at inkspot.net Tue Aug 5 16:59:10 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Aug 5 16:59:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Another PDF Question In-Reply-To: <001101c8f723$933b6b40$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> References: <000e01c8f6fa$0a448a20$1ecd9e60$@com>, <001101c8f723$933b6b40$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <489886DE.1444.41FF1D46@slb.inkspot.net> I assume you've checked the pdf options concerning downsampling of graphics, but nothing else occurs to me at the moment...and I know I've missed the obvious enough, myself.... Steve > > Customer provides a Freehand file (ugh, again). > > After some type changes, we create a PDF. > The graphics on the PDF are pixaleted. > > File prints directly from Freehand ok. > > ADOBE support couldn't help. > > Any thoughts? > > TIA > > John Hughes > Kwik Kopy Printing > kk1127@mindspring.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Livingston" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 9:12 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Source for 15.5 x 20 Laminated Menus > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Try Victor Cornelius Menus > > > > www.vcmenus.com > > > > I went to their website & it looks like they are updating & revamping it, > > but the contact info is there. > > Ron > > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:51 AM, Tom King > > wrote: > > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> > >> Looking for: 15.5" x 20" Laminated Menu. 300 quantity. Laminate, score, > >> fold > >> in thirds. Full color two sides. > >> > >> Any ideas where to go? > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> > >> Tom King > >> King Printing > >> 1305 W. College Ave. > >> State College, PA 16801 > >> Phone: 814-238-2536 > >> Fax: 814-237-5238 > >> Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> PrintOwners Discussion List > >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Ron Livingston > > Cornerstone Press > > 1228 Scyene, Suite 117 > > Mesquite, TX 75149 > > (972) 285-4670 > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3330 (20080805) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From slb at inkspot.net Tue Aug 5 17:00:32 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Aug 5 17:00:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Another PDF Question In-Reply-To: <001101c8f723$933b6b40$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> References: <000e01c8f6fa$0a448a20$1ecd9e60$@com>, <001101c8f723$933b6b40$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <48988730.7810.42005D1C@slb.inkspot.net> Sorry for the second post, but.... Did you create the pdf via an export from Freehand, or by printing to the pdf driver? The latter makes a difference in Quark Xpress....maybe it does in Freehand... Steve > > Customer provides a Freehand file (ugh, again). > > After some type changes, we create a PDF. > The graphics on the PDF are pixaleted. > > File prints directly from Freehand ok. > > ADOBE support couldn't help. > > Any thoughts? > > TIA > > John Hughes > Kwik Kopy Printing > kk1127@mindspring.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Livingston" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 9:12 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Source for 15.5 x 20 Laminated Menus > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Try Victor Cornelius Menus > > > > www.vcmenus.com > > > > I went to their website & it looks like they are updating & revamping it, > > but the contact info is there. > > Ron > > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:51 AM, Tom King > > wrote: > > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> > >> Looking for: 15.5" x 20" Laminated Menu. 300 quantity. Laminate, score, > >> fold > >> in thirds. Full color two sides. > >> > >> Any ideas where to go? > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> > >> Tom King > >> King Printing > >> 1305 W. College Ave. > >> State College, PA 16801 > >> Phone: 814-238-2536 > >> Fax: 814-237-5238 > >> Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> PrintOwners Discussion List > >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Ron Livingston > > Cornerstone Press > > 1228 Scyene, Suite 117 > > Mesquite, TX 75149 > > (972) 285-4670 > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3330 (20080805) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Aug 5 17:02:49 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Aug 5 17:04:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Google Ads In-Reply-To: <8CAC545AEE063EC-1F58-F12@MBLK-M10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAC545AEE063EC-1F58-F12@MBLK-M10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <200808052104.m75L4K7p035978@i2bnetworks.com> For about 7 years now. Its one of the only things I don't talk about on any list. We'll talk about it at Rock Bottom..... S. At 12:07 PM 8/5/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Anyone here using this service to attract internet business? If so, >how the you feel your doing with them. >Thanks in advance. > >Tommy > >Copy That, Inc. >"Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" >3515 E. Tremont Avenue >Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >718.892.1859 >718.892.2315 Fax >www.copythatnyc.com > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3329 (20080805) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From steveprint at aol.com Tue Aug 5 05:29:43 2008 From: steveprint at aol.com (StevePrint) Date: Tue Aug 5 17:29:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Diplomas Source In-Reply-To: References: <000e01c8f6fa$0a448a20$1ecd9e60$@com>, <5c2107b30808050612v7ef0abeam41fffdc6f7dd5f78@mail.gmail.com>, <001101c8f723$933b6b40$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK>, Message-ID: Navitor.com the old CarlsonCraft also Hodgins Engraving in Batavia, NY should be able to handle both Thermography and Engraving. Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting In a message dated 08/05/08 13:30:06 Pacific Daylight Time, prtquick@eos.net writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Yes, I know, I can get them in college -- haha. Does anyone have a good source for engraving in general or specifically diplomas? It has 2-metallics in engraving and black thermography. (I didn't get a response last week, so I am cross-posting this.) Thanks! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From steveprint at aol.com Tue Aug 5 05:32:14 2008 From: steveprint at aol.com (StevePrint) Date: Tue Aug 5 17:31:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Another PDF Question In-Reply-To: <489886DE.1444.41FF1D46@slb.inkspot.net> References: <000e01c8f6fa$0a448a20$1ecd9e60$@com>, <001101c8f723$933b6b40$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK>, <489886DE.1444.41FF1D46@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <6394d24c.57b5.492a.a464.5d3c6551fac5@aol.com> Check quality that you export to PDF is saved at. Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting In a message dated 08/05/08 14:01:02 Pacific Daylight Time, slb@inkspot.net writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I assume you've checked the pdf options concerning downsampling of graphics, but nothing else occurs to me at the moment...and I know I've missed the obvious enough, myself.... Steve > > Customer provides a Freehand file (ugh, again). > > After some type changes, we create a PDF. > The graphics on the PDF are pixaleted. > > File prints directly from Freehand ok. > > ADOBE support couldn't help. > > Any thoughts? > > TIA > > John Hughes > Kwik Kopy Printing > kk1127@mindspring.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Livingston" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 9:12 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Source for 15.5 x 20 Laminated Menus > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Try Victor Cornelius Menus > > > > www.vcmenus.com > > > > I went to their website & it looks like they are updating & revamping it, > > but the contact info is there. > > Ron > > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:51 AM, Tom King > > wrote: > > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> > >> Looking for: 15.5" x 20" Laminated Menu. 300 quantity. Laminate, score, > >> fold > >> in thirds. Full color two sides. > >> > >> Any ideas where to go? > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> > >> Tom King > >> King Printing > >> 1305 W. College Ave. > >> State College, PA 16801 > >> Phone: 814-238-2536 > >> Fax: 814-237-5238 > >> Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> PrintOwners Discussion List > >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Ron Livingston > > Cornerstone Press > > 1228 Scyene, Suite 117 > > Mesquite, TX 75149 > > (972) 285-4670 > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3330 (20080805) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Aug 5 17:43:27 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Aug 5 17:43:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Google Ads In-Reply-To: <200808052104.m75L4K7p035978@i2bnetworks.com> References: <8CAC545AEE063EC-1F58-F12@MBLK-M10.sysops.aol.com> <200808052104.m75L4K7p035978@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <8CAC55B6DCA34A9-1F58-1CB3@MBLK-M10.sysops.aol.com> : ) Now I have no choice but to go! Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Cappel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 5:02 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Google Ads ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? For about 7 years now.? ? Its one of the only things I don't talk about on any list.? ? We'll talk about it at Rock Bottom.....? ? S.? ? ? At 12:07 PM 8/5/2008, you wrote:? >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? >Anyone here using this service to attract internet business? If so, >how the you feel your doing with them.? >Thanks in advance.? >? >Tommy? >? >Copy That, Inc.? >"Where the only thing you can't copy is our service"? >3515 E. Tremont Avenue? >Bronx, N.Y. 10465? >718.892.1859? >718.892.2315 Fax? >www.copythatnyc.com? >? >_______________________________________________? >PrintOwners Discussion List? >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? >__________ NOD32 3329 (20080805) Information __________? >? >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus20system.? >http://www.eset.com? >? ? _____________________________________________? ? Scott Cappel? ? Sorrento Mesa Printing? 7398 Trade Street? San Diego, CA 92121-2422? 858-527-0800? 858-527-1740 FAX? http://www.sorrentomesa.com? ? LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa? ? Direct Links for Learning:? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html? ? Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider? Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider? Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level? Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider? ? Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From dennis.trump at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 17:59:47 2008 From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump) Date: Tue Aug 5 17:59:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Google Ads In-Reply-To: <200808052104.m75L4K7p035978@i2bnetworks.com> References: <8CAC545AEE063EC-1F58-F12@MBLK-M10.sysops.aol.com> <200808052104.m75L4K7p035978@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <41aa6a080808051459k7904ac57g71a93d638fa1c8c9@mail.gmail.com> > Its one of the only things I don't talk about on any list. > > We'll talk about it at Rock Bottom..... Headed there Friday night. Stop for an Italian beef at Portillo's on the way up for lunch and then to Rock Bottom that evening for a beverage and some snacks. I'll raise a toast to ya S. That'd be a tequilla right? -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Aug 5 18:28:17 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Aug 5 18:29:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Google Ads In-Reply-To: <41aa6a080808051459k7904ac57g71a93d638fa1c8c9@mail.gmail.co m> References: <8CAC545AEE063EC-1F58-F12@MBLK-M10.sysops.aol.com> <200808052104.m75L4K7p035978@i2bnetworks.com> <41aa6a080808051459k7904ac57g71a93d638fa1c8c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200808052229.m75MTmSF054137@i2bnetworks.com> That'd be 2... S. At 02:59 PM 8/5/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Its one of the only things I don't talk about on any list. > > > > We'll talk about it at Rock Bottom..... > >Headed there Friday night. Stop for an Italian beef at Portillo's on >the way up for lunch and then to Rock Bottom that evening for a >beverage and some snacks. I'll raise a toast to ya S. That'd be a >tequilla right? > >-- >Dennis Trump >Trump Direct >a print and direct mail communications company >Decatur IL >www.trumpdirect.com >trump@trumpdirect.com >217.429.9001 >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3330 (20080805) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Aug 5 18:35:59 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Aug 5 18:36:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Google Ads In-Reply-To: <200808052229.m75MTmSF054137@i2bnetworks.com> References: <8CAC545AEE063EC-1F58-F12@MBLK-M10.sysops.aol.com> <200808052104.m75L4K7p035978@i2bnetworks.com> <41aa6a080808051459k7904ac57g71a93d638fa1c8c9@mail.gmail.com> <200808052229.m75MTmSF054137@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <8CAC562C4C16368-AC0-D30@Webmail-mg20.sim.aol.com> Was waiting for Scott's response. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Cappel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 6:28 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Google Ads ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? That'd be 2...? ? S.? ? At 02:59 PM 8/5/2008, you wrote:? >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > > Its one of the only things I don't talk about on any list.? > >? > > We'll talk about it at Rock Bottom.....? >? >Headed there Friday night. Stop for an Italian beef at Portillo's on? >the way up for lunch and then to Rock Bottom that evening for a? >beverage and some snacks. I'll raise a toast to ya S. That'd be a? >tequilla right?? >? >--? >Dennis Trump? >Trump Direct? >a print and direct mail communications company? >Decatur IL? >www.trumpdirect.com? >trump@trumpdirect.com? >217.429.9001? >_______________________________________________? >PrintOwners Discussion List? >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? >__________ NOD32 3330 (20080805) Information __________? >?0D >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.? >http://www.eset.com? ? _____________________________________________? ? Scott Cappel? ? Sorrento Mesa Printing? 7398 Trade Street? San Diego, CA 92121-2422? 858-527-0800? 858-527-1740 FAX? http://www.sorrentomesa.com? ? LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa? ? Direct Links for Learning:? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html? ? Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider? Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider? Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level? Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider? ? Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From kk1127 at mindspring.com Tue Aug 5 17:17:02 2008 From: kk1127 at mindspring.com (John Hughes) Date: Tue Aug 5 19:31:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Another PDF Question References: <000e01c8f6fa$0a448a20$1ecd9e60$@com>, <001101c8f723$933b6b40$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> <48988730.7810.42005D1C@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <00f001c8f740$b6181ba0$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Steve, That's one of the problems. You can't export a PDF in Freehand. I'm sure it's something in how we are printing to a PDF. John Hughes Kwik Kopy Printing kk1127@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Blatman" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Another PDF Question > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Sorry for the second post, but.... > > Did you create the pdf via an export from Freehand, or by printing to > the pdf driver? The latter makes a difference in Quark > Xpress....maybe it does in Freehand... > > Steve > > >> >> Customer provides a Freehand file (ugh, again). >> >> After some type changes, we create a PDF. >> The graphics on the PDF are pixaleted. >> >> File prints directly from Freehand ok. >> >> ADOBE support couldn't help. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> TIA >> >> John Hughes >> Kwik Kopy Printing >> kk1127@mindspring.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ron Livingston" >> To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 9:12 AM >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Source for 15.5 x 20 Laminated Menus >> >> >> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> > >> > Try Victor Cornelius Menus >> > >> > www.vcmenus.com >> > >> > I went to their website & it looks like they are updating & revamping >> > it, >> > but the contact info is there. >> > Ron >> > >> > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:51 AM, Tom King >> > wrote: >> > >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> >> Looking for: 15.5" x 20" Laminated Menu. 300 quantity. Laminate, >> >> score, >> >> fold >> >> in thirds. Full color two sides. >> >> >> >> Any ideas where to go? >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> >> >> Tom King >> >> King Printing >> >> 1305 W. College Ave. >> >> State College, PA 16801 >> >> Phone: 814-238-2536 >> >> Fax: 814-237-5238 >> >> Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Ron Livingston >> > Cornerstone Press >> > 1228 Scyene, Suite 117 >> > Mesquite, TX 75149 >> > (972) 285-4670 >> > _______________________________________________ >> > PrintOwners Discussion List >> > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3330 (20080805) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Aug 5 22:58:09 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Aug 5 22:59:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Discount Label CS conversation In-Reply-To: References: <489743D2.6060200@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: <200808060259.m762xfoE095962@i2bnetworks.com> Very sorry to hear that story. A salesperson's worst nightmare indeed. But you bring up a very good point. You always want to see the product before delivery even if it cost you more in shipping to reship to the client. If anything else, to see how your "trade resource" has packaged it. You never know if they'll sneak their name and phone number in there somewhere (they'll always be on the return label). Which brings up another idea.... NAQP always has an excellent idea session at the owner's conference where some real creative ideas are floated. Everybody in the room really benefits from what is shared.... Perhaps one day they should have a session in a similar format entitled "Stuff You Never Want to DO" where everyone can share their biggest dumb and not so dumb mistakes they have made along the way. It would be humbling, and probably pretty funny to hear how people have done stuff that they never did twice. Would save a lot of others from making the same mistake as well. Anyway...just an idea. S. At 02:04 PM 8/4/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >YOU WON'T BELIEVE THIS STORY > >One pdf I supplied to Discount Labels, they decided to get in it and >reduce the product bar code because it was close to the edge. It was >a 2-color label with bleed. At customers request, I had to have the >labels drop shipped to another state to where the application to the >product took place. When I found out that they reduced the bar codes, >I got scared and asked for them to overnight a sample. Next day, I >got the sample. The sample looked like it went thru a train wreck and >there was NO bar code at all! > >Called the client, they contacted the company who manufactured the >product that was hand applying the labels. By the time they were >contacted, half of 30,000 boxes were labeled. Only sensible recourses >were to: A) reprint the 3x5 labels and try to hand apply OVER existing >labels or: B), print tiny bar code labels and hand place into the void >of the existing label. The client went with the tiny bar code labels. > >The company doing the hand applying gave me an >invoice for $800 to re- label 15,000 buggers by >hand (after all, it was not their mistake). > >Discount Labels was very good at fixing the problem. They ran the bar >codes for free, over-nighted them, picked up the tab for the $800 >extra labor and reran the balance of the labels WITH the bar codes for >free. Those too were overnighted. > >However, the nightmare continues. The rerun is extremely out of >register. The client, polite, but finished, accepted the out of >register labels at a discount. The client was thru dealing with me >and just wanted closure. > >Moral of the story, I now NEVER drop ship ANYTHING a second party >prints for me to a third party REGARDLESS of clients demands. They >come to me first for inspection. > >Discount Labels made good on their mistake, >however . . . . . . . . . . . > >After months of door knocking, I finally got my foot in this accounts >door and they gave me an order. - First job for this new client and >it was really screwed up. Even the fix up was screwed up. I lost the >account. Oh, I forgot to mention, the account is the largest employer >in our town, employing over 800 with annual sales of $250,000,000.00. >Yes that is a quarter of a billion dollars in yearly sales. They are >the WORLDS largest pet internet mail order company. Knocking on >their door since then, I was told that I had my chance. Oh well, I >guess I will have to go out and find another multi billion dollar >company in my neck of the rural woods to do printing for. > >Uuggg. > >Greg > > >On Aug 4, 2008, at 1:24 AM, StevePrint wrote: > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>Been using Discount for last 7 years. Never had an error. We supply >>PDF's of all items. >>Best service in industry. >> >>Steve Salstrom >>Bay Business Printing >>1521 Cornwall Ave. >>Bellingham, WA 98225 >>360-671-2997 >>www.iorderprinting.com >>Ideas & Solutions >>http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting >> >> >> >>In a message dated 08/04/08 11:02:51 Pacific >>Daylight Time, po-lists@sugarloafprint.com writes: >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>Amazing >> >>4th order in a row Discount Label made a mistake. >> >>The first three times I was pleasant. >> >>I just got off the phone with Robin... >> >>I said to Robin, "Your company has a quality control problem" >>She agreed and went on to say "Sir, you have to understand we do about >>2,000 orders everyday and out of that only 190 people call with a >>problem!" >> >>"Robin" I said, "That is over a 9% error rate, industry standard is >>2%-3% errors. I need a vendor I can trust." >> >>We left at as they will reprint it today and overnight it. I will have >>it tomorrow, on their dime. >> >>They funny thing I realized during our conversation was, they where >>proud of the fact that they can fix their errors so quickly. These >>people are more "re-active" instead of "pro-active". They are more >>concerned with putting out fires instead of preventing them. A lousy >>way >>to run a business. >> >>-- >>Ron Sardo >>Sugarloaf Print Shop >>mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com >>www.sugarloafprint.com >>570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >>-- >>This message has been scanned for viruses and >>dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>believed to be clean. > > >Press Express >1869 N. Stevens St. >Rhinelander, WI 54501 >Phone 715-362-2828 >Fax 715-369-2828 >info@pressexpress.org > >Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider >Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3325 (20080804) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From eugene at zapcolor.com Wed Aug 6 00:17:52 2008 From: eugene at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Wed Aug 6 00:18:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Off: PrintshopMail for sale In-Reply-To: <20080805233113.C15E61015CA7@rb.enter.net> References: <20080805233113.C15E61015CA7@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: I have an extra PrintShop Mail, 100,000 Mac version available. It has a bit over 98,000 records available on it and of course could be upgraded, would be a great way to try Variable Data on your rip. I also have an unlimited version, so I don't need this one, email me off list if you are interested. Thanks Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From printian at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 01:59:20 2008 From: printian at gmail.com (Ian Franks) Date: Wed Aug 6 01:59:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Google Ads In-Reply-To: <8CAC562C4C16368-AC0-D30@Webmail-mg20.sim.aol.com> References: <8CAC545AEE063EC-1F58-F12@MBLK-M10.sysops.aol.com> <200808052104.m75L4K7p035978@i2bnetworks.com> <41aa6a080808051459k7904ac57g71a93d638fa1c8c9@mail.gmail.com> <200808052229.m75MTmSF054137@i2bnetworks.com> <8CAC562C4C16368-AC0-D30@Webmail-mg20.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: I use google adwords and my business off the website has increased. When I ask new customers how they found me they say from a search. Also I have a blog which search engines love, they like lots of words. -- Regards Ian Franks Print Image 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo Johannesburg, South Africa Ph 011 447 3133 Fax 011 447 0642 sales@printimage.co.za www.printimage.co.za From joy at libertyprintgreen.com Wed Aug 6 09:10:56 2008 From: joy at libertyprintgreen.com (Joy Downing) Date: Wed Aug 6 08:14:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] need unusual envelope In-Reply-To: <489885C4.14102.41FACE98@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <035901c8f7c5$dd04b3b0$1401a8c0@JOY2> I believe Envelope House has these as a stocking item. 1-800-354-9806 Joy Downing Liberty 3021 Nashville Road Bowling Green, KY 42101 270-782-7829 LibertyPrintGreen.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 2:54 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] need unusual envelope ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** A customer would like us to supply a specialty envelope for his business. The sample he left is 4.5" x 10.25", or thereabouts. It has a large flap and side seams like a remit envelope, but no adhesive. It appears to have been coverted from 80# leatherette cover. His business is a cemetery, and he uses these to hold the cemetery paperwork he gives to his customers. The imprint is 1/0 black--we'd probably have to have them printed by whomever makes them, since they're probably too thick to go through a press. Any ideas? TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dominick at fmtc.com Wed Aug 6 10:33:45 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Wed Aug 6 10:33:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] full color fold over bus cards In-Reply-To: References: <79BED744-5751-48F1-AAEE-EE9A23F3398B@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: <4899B649.3070201@fmtc.com> So, why are you not doing these in house if $130 is "pricey"?????? Actually that is cheap! For us, because they are are custom and have "value added" quality, we do them in house and have no complaints charging $400 for 2500. Quality, customer service and control on the product is the best way to go. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Greg Weinfurter wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Just tried GR Print for my fold over business card. > > The card is obvious as to how it gets backed up. It was idiot proof, > except for the idiot at GR Print that backed them up "up side down". > > They do not save samples, so they told me I must take pictures of the > two sided card showing that is backed up wrong. The only problem is > that I can only take a picture of one side at a time. duh. Then > upload them to their complaint department for review and then a > decision will be made as to whether or not they will rerun them. > > And the cost for 2,500 4/4 fold overs was more than $130.00, kinda > pricy I think. > > Greg > > > From mike at arborprinting.com Wed Aug 6 10:39:25 2008 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Wed Aug 6 10:39:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] full color fold over bus cards References: <79BED744-5751-48F1-AAEE-EE9A23F3398B@pressexpress.org> <4899B649.3070201@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <003c01c8f7d2$39539170$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Fold the card in half the other way, which should show both sides, and send that. Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. 5100 Academy Dr., Ste 100 Lisle, IL 60532 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dominick's Printing" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] full color fold over bus cards > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > So, why are you not doing these in house if $130 is "pricey"?????? > Actually that is cheap! > > For us, because they are are custom and have "value added" quality, we do > them in house and have no complaints charging $400 for 2500. > > Quality, customer service and control on the product is the best way to > go. > > Joe Dominick > > Dominick's Quality Printing > 542 W. Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > 541.881.1121 > Fax 541.881.1599 > > www.dominicksprinting.com > dominick@fmtc.com > > Greg Weinfurter wrote: >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Just tried GR Print for my fold over business card. >> >> The card is obvious as to how it gets backed up. It was idiot proof, >> except for the idiot at GR Print that backed them up "up side down". >> >> They do not save samples, so they told me I must take pictures of the two >> sided card showing that is backed up wrong. The only problem is that I >> can only take a picture of one side at a time. duh. Then upload them to >> their complaint department for review and then a decision will be made as >> to whether or not they will rerun them. >> >> And the cost for 2,500 4/4 fold overs was more than $130.00, kinda pricy >> I think. >> >> Greg >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Wed Aug 6 11:02:25 2008 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Wed Aug 6 11:02:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] truck decals Message-ID: Does anyone on the list do this type of thing? If so, can you contact me off list? Thanks. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying From s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com Wed Aug 6 11:11:09 2008 From: s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com (Sonya Hughes) Date: Wed Aug 6 11:14:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Plastic pages In-Reply-To: <4899B649.3070201@fmtc.com> References: <79BED744-5751-48F1-AAEE-EE9A23F3398B@pressexpress.org> <4899B649.3070201@fmtc.com> Message-ID: I have a customer wanting some plastic cover pages printed on ... something semi-transparent. Printed only one side, one or two colors. Does anyone on this list do that, or know of a resource? If so, I need to know minimum quantities, and approximate lead times. Also the thicknesses available. Thanks in advance. Sonya Hughes Legends Printing Dodge City, KS From bherion at bucksdigital.com Wed Aug 6 11:21:55 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Wed Aug 6 11:22:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080806110852.03408a98@bucksdigital.com> Well, its happening. This crap is affecting business. I have lost two major jobs because we don't have certified permission to use those 3 initials. I even lost work from an offset shop (who is certified) because we are not. I thought certainly, we can print for them - they are certified and why should it be a problem? They are outsourcing and supplying paper, is all. I didn't win. Makes us feel untrusted. I talked to my paper merchants (who sympathize and call the whole thing a farce the way its handled) and asked who they recommend for certification. They told me, but continued to say there is a 9 month backlog of certifications and there is no longer a temp cert being issued. More lost business. In some research, I'm finding something called a "Group Chain of Custody" certification. Seems these are established for the 'small' guys to make it easier and more cost effective Has anyone heard of this or know of a group and exactly how it works? I'm asking here first, before I go off and try to get our GAA or PIA involved. Maybe even the paper merchants - heck seems to be in their best interest. Hope to hear some thoughts. Bob Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From greg at pressexpress.org Wed Aug 6 11:48:12 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed Aug 6 11:48:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Discount Label CS conversation In-Reply-To: <200808060259.m762xfoE095962@i2bnetworks.com> References: <489743D2.6060200@sugarloafprint.com> <200808060259.m762xfoE095962@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <2AC63828-6634-4992-95A5-19C98C12D5E8@pressexpress.org> Scott, that would actually be fun to participate in. Boy could I share some outrageous stories. I have another fun one going with GRPrint that screwed up a fold over card. I am going round and round with them currently. I will keep the list posted as to the outcome. Greg On Aug 5, 2008, at 9:58 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Very sorry to hear that story. A salesperson's worst nightmare indeed. > > But you bring up a very good point. You always want to see the > product before delivery even if it cost you more in shipping to > reship to the client. If anything else, to see how your "trade > resource" has packaged it. > > You never know if they'll sneak their name and phone number in there > somewhere (they'll always be on the return label). > > Which brings up another idea.... > > NAQP always has an excellent idea session at the owner's conference > where some real creative ideas are floated. Everybody in the room > really benefits from what is shared.... > > Perhaps one day they should have a session in a similar format > entitled "Stuff You Never Want to DO" where everyone can share their > biggest dumb and not so dumb mistakes they have made along the way. > > It would be humbling, and probably pretty funny to hear how people > have done stuff that they never did twice. Would save a lot of > others from making the same mistake as well. > > Anyway...just an idea. > > S. > > > > At 02:04 PM 8/4/2008, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> YOU WON'T BELIEVE THIS STORY >> >> One pdf I supplied to Discount Labels, they decided to get in it and >> reduce the product bar code because it was close to the edge. It was >> a 2-color label with bleed. At customers request, I had to have the >> labels drop shipped to another state to where the application to the >> product took place. When I found out that they reduced the bar >> codes, >> I got scared and asked for them to overnight a sample. Next day, I >> got the sample. The sample looked like it went thru a train wreck >> and >> there was NO bar code at all! >> >> Called the client, they contacted the company who manufactured the >> product that was hand applying the labels. By the time they were >> contacted, half of 30,000 boxes were labeled. Only sensible >> recourses >> were to: A) reprint the 3x5 labels and try to hand apply OVER >> existing >> labels or: B), print tiny bar code labels and hand place into the >> void >> of the existing label. The client went with the tiny bar code >> labels. >> >> The company doing the hand applying gave me an invoice for $800 to >> re- label 15,000 buggers by hand (after all, it was not their >> mistake). >> >> Discount Labels was very good at fixing the problem. They ran the >> bar >> codes for free, over-nighted them, picked up the tab for the $800 >> extra labor and reran the balance of the labels WITH the bar codes >> for >> free. Those too were overnighted. >> >> However, the nightmare continues. The rerun is extremely out of >> register. The client, polite, but finished, accepted the out of >> register labels at a discount. The client was thru dealing with me >> and just wanted closure. >> >> Moral of the story, I now NEVER drop ship ANYTHING a second party >> prints for me to a third party REGARDLESS of clients demands. They >> come to me first for inspection. >> >> Discount Labels made good on their mistake, >> however . . . . . . . . . . . >> >> After months of door knocking, I finally got my foot in this accounts >> door and they gave me an order. - First job for this new client and >> it was really screwed up. Even the fix up was screwed up. I lost >> the >> account. Oh, I forgot to mention, the account is the largest >> employer >> in our town, employing over 800 with annual sales of $250,000,000.00. >> Yes that is a quarter of a billion dollars in yearly sales. They are >> the WORLDS largest pet internet mail order company. Knocking on >> their door since then, I was told that I had my chance. Oh well, I >> guess I will have to go out and find another multi billion dollar >> company in my neck of the rural woods to do printing for. >> >> Uuggg. >> >> Greg >> >> >> On Aug 4, 2008, at 1:24 AM, StevePrint wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Been using Discount for last 7 years. Never had an error. We supply >>> PDF's of all items. >>> Best service in industry. >>> >>> Steve Salstrom >>> Bay Business Printing >>> 1521 Cornwall Ave. >>> Bellingham, WA 98225 >>> 360-671-2997 >>> www.iorderprinting.com >>> Ideas & Solutions >>> http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting >>> >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 08/04/08 11:02:51 Pacific Daylight Time, po-lists@sugarloafprint.com >>> writes: >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Amazing >>> >>> 4th order in a row Discount Label made a mistake. >>> >>> The first three times I was pleasant. >>> >>> I just got off the phone with Robin... >>> >>> I said to Robin, "Your company has a quality control problem" >>> She agreed and went on to say "Sir, you have to understand we do >>> about >>> 2,000 orders everyday and out of that only 190 people call with a >>> problem!" >>> >>> "Robin" I said, "That is over a 9% error rate, industry standard is >>> 2%-3% errors. I need a vendor I can trust." >>> >>> We left at as they will reprint it today and overnight it. I will >>> have >>> it tomorrow, on their dime. >>> >>> They funny thing I realized during our conversation was, they where >>> proud of the fact that they can fix their errors so quickly. These >>> people are more "re-active" instead of "pro-active". They are more >>> concerned with putting out fires instead of preventing them. A lousy >>> way >>> to run a business. >>> >>> -- >>> Ron Sardo >>> Sugarloaf Print Shop >>> mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com >>> www.sugarloafprint.com >>> 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>> believed to be clean. >> >> >> Press Express >> 1869 N. Stevens St. >> Rhinelander, WI 54501 >> Phone 715-362-2828 >> Fax 715-369-2828 >> info@pressexpress.org >> >> Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider >> Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3325 (20080804) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > From communicar at aol.com Wed Aug 6 11:50:27 2008 From: communicar at aol.com (communicar@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 6 11:50:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Plastic pages In-Reply-To: References: <79BED744-5751-48F1-AAEE-EE9A23F3398B@pressexpress.org> <4899B649.3070201@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <8CAC5F3479CD8D9-530-2342@webmail-ne08.sysops.aol.com> We did some BCs a month or two ago on a plastic-like, frosted mylar. Customer (broker) provided the material with the manufacturer's specs (supposed to be silk screened, dries by oxidation only) - we used Vanson tuff tex inks - black and 3 PMS. After printing, we spread them out all over the shop so each sheet was exposed to facilitate drying. Explained in advance that the drying time might be a couple days to a week to cover ourselves (actually was able to trim out the next day). We also required lots of extra stock (250% of the order amount) just in case we ran into problems. We ended up with no problems and have a full run of overpressings. We priced the job at a BIG premium, since we figured we were the only ones willing to give it a try. Minimized our risk and liability by requiring more time than the customer wanted to give and requiring lots of stock in case our pressman had any trouble. Then we were able to deliver before the customer's original deadline. Our customer and his customer were very pleased. NOTE: Pastel ink colors that use translucent white in the mix will print a better color on this material if you use opaque white instead. Ken Azebu Communicart Graphics & Printing 499 Aldo Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408) 970-0922 (408) 970-8630 Fax -----Original Message----- From: Sonya Hughes To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Cc: m.rand@legendsofdodgecity.com Sent: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 8:11 am Subject:=2 0[PrintOwners] Plastic pages ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? I have a customer wanting some plastic cover pages printed on ... something semi-transparent. Printed only one side, one or two colors. Does anyone on this list do that, or know of a resource? If so, I need to know minimum quantities, and approximate lead times. Also the thicknesses available.? Thanks in advance.? Sonya Hughes? Legends Printing? Dodge City, KS? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From sos at olympus.net Wed Aug 6 11:57:17 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Aug 6 11:57:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080806110852.03408a98@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <04f201c8f7dd$1a238e30$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Herion" there is a 9 month > backlog of certifications and there is no longer a temp cert being issued. > More lost business. ================= Bob, We just got our FSC certification a couple weeks ago. It took almost a year. If I had really cared about it and called them over and over to remind them we were waiting for our audit, it could have been done much faster. But I wasn't loosing business over it. Pacific Printing and Imaging PPI affiliate has been trying to offer a group discount on it through Smart Wood certifiers, (located in Vermont)but it cost even less than their discounted program for us to go through SCS Scientific Certification Systems, (located in California). Maybe you get what you pay for. We've had a couple customers express relief (sort of) that we got certified. The other shop in town is certified. They have been touting their certification for several months, "First in the Northwest" although I'm sure there were other before them, but they lie their ass off regularly. Oops, pretend you didn't hear that. It cost about $2,000 to get the certification. I don't expect to ever earn that back. At 10% profit it'd have to bring in $20,000 worth of new work and that won't happen. Oh, maybe it will. Now that I type it out, that doesn't seem so outrageous. Several major manufacturers have recently certified their lines of paper, there are a lot more choices in FSC paper now than even a year ago so it's a lot easier to keep that chain-of-custody intact. We have switched our stock copy paper to Harbor 100 which is certified. And, most Neenah, Nekoosa, Domtar and Wausau papers are now certified. Good luck. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From greg at pressexpress.org Wed Aug 6 12:34:59 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed Aug 6 12:35:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] full color fold over bus cards In-Reply-To: <4899B649.3070201@fmtc.com> References: <79BED744-5751-48F1-AAEE-EE9A23F3398B@pressexpress.org> <4899B649.3070201@fmtc.com> Message-ID: I cannot do 4/4 printing cost effectively I cannot do UV coating As far as the $130 being pricy, it was outsourced to a "gang run" full color business card house. In the day and age when you can get 2,5004/4 regular business cards for $39 dollars, the $130 just seemed pricy, but who am I to know anyway. Greg On Aug 6, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Dominick's Printing wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > So, why are you not doing these in house if $130 is "pricey"?????? > Actually that is cheap! > > For us, because they are are custom and have "value added" quality, > we do them in house and have no complaints charging $400 for 2500. > > Quality, customer service and control on the product is the best way > to go. > > Joe Dominick > > Dominick's Quality Printing > 542 W. Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > 541.881.1121 > Fax 541.881.1599 > > www.dominicksprinting.com > dominick@fmtc.com > > Greg Weinfurter wrote: >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Just tried GR Print for my fold over business card. >> >> The card is obvious as to how it gets backed up. It was idiot >> proof, except for the idiot at GR Print that backed them up "up >> side down". >> >> They do not save samples, so they told me I must take pictures of >> the two sided card showing that is backed up wrong. The only >> problem is that I can only take a picture of one side at a time. >> duh. Then upload them to their complaint department for review and >> then a decision will be made as to whether or not they will rerun >> them. >> >> And the cost for 2,500 4/4 fold overs was more than $130.00, kinda >> pricy I think. >> >> Greg >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From steve at toledoprinter.com Wed Aug 6 12:38:09 2008 From: steve at toledoprinter.com (West Printing) Date: Wed Aug 6 12:38:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Another PDF Question In-Reply-To: <00f001c8f740$b6181ba0$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> References: <000e01c8f6fa$0a448a20$1ecd9e60$@com>, <001101c8f723$933b6b40$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> <48988730.7810.42005D1C@slb.inkspot.net> <00f001c8f740$b6181ba0$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <002401c8f7e2$d0807c10$71817430$@com> I have Freehand MX and you CAN export to PDF. Although, I have always used the Adobe PDF driver for better control. Steve Robison West Printing Co. 327 12th Street, Toledo, OH 43604 Ph. 419.246.0857, steve@toledoprinter.com? **************************************** http://www.ToledoPrinter.Com Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Hughes > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 5:17 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Another PDF Question > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Steve, > > That's one of the problems. > > You can't export a PDF in Freehand. > I'm sure it's something in how we are printing to a PDF. > > John Hughes > Kwik Kopy Printing > kk1127@mindspring.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Blatman" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 5:00 PM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Another PDF Question > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Sorry for the second post, but.... > > > > Did you create the pdf via an export from Freehand, or by > printing to > > the pdf driver? The latter makes a difference in Quark > > Xpress....maybe it does in Freehand... > > > > Steve > > > > > >> > >> Customer provides a Freehand file (ugh, again). > >> > >> After some type changes, we create a PDF. > >> The graphics on the PDF are pixaleted. > >> > >> File prints directly from Freehand ok. > >> > >> ADOBE support couldn't help. > >> > >> Any thoughts? > >> > >> TIA > >> > >> John Hughes > >> Kwik Kopy Printing > >> kk1127@mindspring.com > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Ron Livingston" > >> To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 9:12 AM > >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Source for 15.5 x 20 Laminated > Menus > >> > >> > >> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> > > >> > Try Victor Cornelius Menus > >> > > >> > www.vcmenus.com > >> > > >> > I went to their website & it looks like they are updating & > revamping > >> > it, > >> > but the contact info is there. > >> > Ron > >> > > >> > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:51 AM, Tom King > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> >> > >> >> Looking for: 15.5" x 20" Laminated Menu. 300 quantity. > Laminate, > >> >> score, > >> >> fold > >> >> in thirds. Full color two sides. > >> >> > >> >> Any ideas where to go? > >> >> > >> >> Thanks! > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Tom King > >> >> King Printing > >> >> 1305 W. College Ave. > >> >> State College, PA 16801 > >> >> Phone: 814-238-2536 > >> >> Fax: 814-237-5238 > >> >> Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> PrintOwners Discussion List > >> >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >> >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Ron Livingston > >> > Cornerstone Press > >> > 1228 Scyene, Suite 117 > >> > Mesquite, TX 75149 > >> > (972) 285-4670 > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > PrintOwners Discussion List > >> > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >> > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >> > > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> PrintOwners Discussion List > >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >> > >> > >> > >> __________ NOD32 3330 (20080805) Information __________ > >> > >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >> http://www.eset.com > >> > >> > > > > Steve Blatman > > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > > Tel: 610-647-0776 > > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From hal at pickimp.com Wed Aug 6 13:15:30 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Wed Aug 6 13:14:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] full color fold over bus cards References: <79BED744-5751-48F1-AAEE-EE9A23F3398B@pressexpress.org><4899B649.3070201@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <002201c8f7e8$12a78160$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> We use GotPrint and 2500 fold-over cards is $128.00 including shipping from Califonial to Michigan - so your price looks to be in the ball park to me. Hal From joe at calagaz.com Wed Aug 6 13:15:22 2008 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Wed Aug 6 13:15:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC Message-ID: What are they expecting out of us as printers to be able to get the certification? Joe Calagaz Calagaz Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:57 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] FSC ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Herion" there is a 9 month > backlog of certifications and there is no longer a temp cert being issued. > More lost business. ================= Bob, We just got our FSC certification a couple weeks ago. It took almost a year. If I had really cared about it and called them over and over to remind them we were waiting for our audit, it could have been done much faster. But I wasn't loosing business over it. Pacific Printing and Imaging PPI affiliate has been trying to offer a group discount on it through Smart Wood certifiers, (located in Vermont)but it cost even less than their discounted program for us to go through SCS Scientific Certification Systems, (located in California). Maybe you get what you pay for. We've had a couple customers express relief (sort of) that we got certified. The other shop in town is certified. They have been touting their certification for several months, "First in the Northwest" although I'm sure there were other before them, but they lie their ass off regularly. Oops, pretend you didn't hear that. It cost about $2,000 to get the certification. I don't expect to ever earn that back. At 10% profit it'd have to bring in $20,000 worth of new work and that won't happen. Oh, maybe it will. Now that I type it out, that doesn't seem so outrageous. Several major manufacturers have recently certified their lines of paper, there are a lot more choices in FSC paper now than even a year ago so it's a lot easier to keep that chain-of-custody intact. We have switched our stock copy paper to Harbor 100 which is certified. And, most Neenah, Nekoosa, Domtar and Wausau papers are now certified. Good luck. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com Wed Aug 6 13:30:20 2008 From: Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com (Gerry Engelhart) Date: Wed Aug 6 13:30:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Using Presidential candidates pictures Message-ID: <013301c8f7ea$19ee8890$7000000a@Engelhart> A customer wants to use pictures of BOTH Obama and McCain in an advertisement What are the legal implications of taking a picture off of their web site, or from some other source and using it? Any copyright issues? Or are they in the public domain? thanks Gerry Engelhart Porath Printsource Cleveland, Ohio From greg at pressexpress.org Wed Aug 6 13:53:58 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed Aug 6 13:54:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] full color fold over bus cards In-Reply-To: <002201c8f7e8$12a78160$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> References: <79BED744-5751-48F1-AAEE-EE9A23F3398B@pressexpress.org><4899B649.3070201@fmtc.com> <002201c8f7e8$12a78160$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: You know, I use GotPrint otherwise with 100% accuracy and satisfaction. I looked in their catalog and they did not have fold over business cards in it, but now, after your response, I looked closer, they call them "Tent Cards" and are in the back portion of their catalog. Uugg. Some days I am a glutton for punishment. Hal, where was this advice when I asked the list for fold over business cards 10 days ago? Greg On Aug 6, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Hal Wendt wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > full > color business card house. In the day and age when you can get > 2,5004/4 regular business cards for $39 dollars, the $130 just seemed > pricy, but who am I to know anyway.> > > We use GotPrint and 2500 fold-over cards is $128.00 including > shipping from Califonial to Michigan - so your price looks to be in > the ball park to me. > > > Hal > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From slb at inkspot.net Wed Aug 6 14:03:44 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Aug 6 14:04:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Using Presidential candidates pictures In-Reply-To: <013301c8f7ea$19ee8890$7000000a@Engelhart> References: <013301c8f7ea$19ee8890$7000000a@Engelhart> Message-ID: <4899AF40.27964.4684DD43@slb.inkspot.net> I'm pretty sure that neither of the candidates can object to the use of their photographs, but whomever took the pictures holds a copyright for the images themselves. I would expect the copyright holder to object to your use of the images without permission, unless you were using them as part of a political argument for or against the candidates, and perhaps even then. What are you advertising? Steve > > A customer wants to use pictures of BOTH Obama and McCain in an > advertisement > > What are the legal implications of taking a picture off of their web site, > or from some other source and using it? > > Any copyright issues? Or are they in the public domain? > > thanks > > Gerry Engelhart > Porath Printsource > Cleveland, Ohio > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3333 (20080806) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From sos at olympus.net Wed Aug 6 14:03:45 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Aug 6 14:14:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC References: Message-ID: <054901c8f7f0$34573000$6900a8c0@DANIEL> What are they expecting out of us as printers to be able to get the certification? =================== About $2,000. Oh, and you've got to prove to the auditor you can keep track of what paper is FSC certified and what paper isn't. May need to make a bookkeeping change. Fill out some paper work. I replaced the "Grade" of paper in PrintSmith's paper definitions with FSC or Not FSC to help keep track. Added a column on our paper order sheet for same. etc. It all seemed a little fluky to me. The Auditor was a UW law school student working part time. He didn't really seem to know what he was doing, definitely didn't know anything about printing. But had a bunch of forms on his laptop and we faked our way through it. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From championprinting at yahoo.com Wed Aug 6 15:01:31 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Wed Aug 6 15:01:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC Message-ID: <831242.54244.qm@web38306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Our local PIA chapter is working on a member discount program, so I suspect yours is too. I don't remember hearing anything from PII/NAQP about this so I don't know if they would be of any help. I'm not completely trusting of the paper merchants on this subject as I feel they got on board awfully quick and probably stand to benefit more than a printer might (govt. & nonprofit sales of paper). I'm guessing your PIA chapter can put you in touch with someone who can certify you a heck of a lot sooner than 9 months. Ted Gelletly Allegra Print & Imaging 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@allegraeldersburg.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob Herion To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 11:21:55 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Well, its happening. This crap is affecting business. I have lost two major jobs because we don't have certified permission to use those 3 initials. I even lost work from an offset shop (who is certified) because we are not. I thought certainly, we can print for them - they are certified and why should it be a problem? They are outsourcing and supplying paper, is all. I didn't win. Makes us feel untrusted. I talked to my paper merchants (who sympathize and call the whole thing a farce the way its handled) and asked who they recommend for certification. They told me, but continued to say there is a 9 month backlog of certifications and there is no longer a temp cert being issued. More lost business. In some research, I'm finding something called a "Group Chain of Custody" certification. Seems these are established for the 'small' guys to make it easier and more cost effective Has anyone heard of this or know of a group and exactly how it works? I'm asking here first, before I go off and try to get our GAA or PIA involved. Maybe even the paper merchants - heck seems to be in their best interest. Hope to hear some thoughts. Bob Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Wed Aug 6 15:32:34 2008 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Wed Aug 6 15:31:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC In-Reply-To: <054901c8f7f0$34573000$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <000c01c8f7fb$2cf6c180$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Gee Dan . . . you're starting to make me feel all warm and fuzzy about the strict "chain of custody" FSC process! What with your highly trained FSC auditor that "really didn't know what he was doing" and "faking" his way through the endless stack of bureaucratic paperwork. I'm suddenly all pumped up and excited about beginning this process;) Does anyone know if there are any paper companies, or paper lines, that do NOT want to be FSC Certified? It seems that a paper manufacturer would be cutting off their nose, to spite their face, if they weren't looking to become certified. Assuming that all the manufacturers, and their paper lines, become certified, what's going to be the "new" hoop to jump through to satisfy the environmentalists. If they are all certified, the chain of custody process becomes pretty pointless. Maybe there are some paper lines that aren't seeking the certification. I'm just not aware of any of them . . . Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 1:04 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] FSC ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** What are they expecting out of us as printers to be able to get the certification? =================== About $2,000. Oh, and you've got to prove to the auditor you can keep track of what paper is FSC certified and what paper isn't. May need to make a bookkeeping change. Fill out some paper work. I replaced the "Grade" of paper in PrintSmith's paper definitions with FSC or Not FSC to help keep track. Added a column on our paper order sheet for same. etc. It all seemed a little fluky to me. The Auditor was a UW law school student working part time. He didn't really seem to know what he was doing, definitely didn't know anything about printing. But had a bunch of forms on his laptop and we faked our way through it. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Aug 6 16:03:50 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Aug 6 16:05:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080806110852.03408a98@bucksdigital.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080806110852.03408a98@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <200808062005.m76K5Nqd058760@i2bnetworks.com> FSC is both a joke and a scam: http://www.fsc-watch.org PIA is responding with an initiative process of its own that is much more reasonable. Here's the real deal: https://www.sgppartnership.org Its still in the process of formation, but this is where you want to focus you attention. S. At 08:21 AM 8/6/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Well, its happening. >This crap is affecting business. I have lost two major jobs because >we don't have certified permission to use those 3 initials. >I even lost work from an offset shop (who is certified) because we >are not. I thought certainly, we can print for them - they are >certified and why should it be a problem? They are outsourcing and >supplying paper, is all. I didn't win. Makes us feel untrusted. > >I talked to my paper merchants (who sympathize and call the whole >thing a farce the way its handled) and asked who they recommend for >certification. They told me, but continued to say there is a 9 month >backlog of certifications and there is no longer a temp cert being >issued. More lost business. > >In some research, I'm finding something called a "Group Chain of >Custody" certification. Seems these are established for the 'small' >guys to make it easier and more cost effective >Has anyone heard of this or know of a group and exactly how it works? >I'm asking here first, before I go off and try to get our GAA or PIA >involved. Maybe even the paper merchants - heck seems to be in their >best interest. > >Hope to hear some thoughts. >Bob > > > >Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! >We use Recycled and Certified Papers >Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 >90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 >www.bucksdigital.com > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3333 (20080806) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed Aug 6 16:05:38 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed Aug 6 16:06:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Conference housing Message-ID: <8CAC616EE15AC76-17BC-A73@webmail-mf06.sysops.aol.com> Roommate needed : ) Only sleep there for about 4-5 hrs a nite anyway. Anyone want to buddy up? Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com From yaakov at sparkdirectny.com Wed Aug 6 16:10:25 2008 From: yaakov at sparkdirectny.com (Yaakov Reshef) Date: Wed Aug 6 16:10:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Discount Label CS conversation Message-ID: Scott, I like your idea about sharing "Stuff you never want to do" in Chicago... What is needed for it are a few volunteers, that will "start the ball rolling"... Yaakov Reshef SPARK Direct * Kwik Kopy Printing Marketing * Printing * Solutions 7 East 37th Street-NYC-10016 Tel: 212-328-2001 Fax: 212-328-2007(new number) yaakov@Sparkdirectny.com www.sparkdirectny.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 10:58 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Discount Label CS conversation ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Very sorry to hear that story. A salesperson's worst nightmare indeed. But you bring up a very good point. You always want to see the product before delivery even if it cost you more in shipping to reship to the client. If anything else, to see how your "trade resource" has packaged it. You never know if they'll sneak their name and phone number in there somewhere (they'll always be on the return label). Which brings up another idea.... NAQP always has an excellent idea session at the owner's conference where some real creative ideas are floated. Everybody in the room really benefits from what is shared.... Perhaps one day they should have a session in a similar format entitled "Stuff You Never Want to DO" where everyone can share their biggest dumb and not so dumb mistakes they have made along the way. It would be humbling, and probably pretty funny to hear how people have done stuff that they never did twice. Would save a lot of others from making the same mistake as well. Anyway...just an idea. S. At 02:04 PM 8/4/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >YOU WON'T BELIEVE THIS STORY > >One pdf I supplied to Discount Labels, they decided to get in it and >reduce the product bar code because it was close to the edge. It was >a 2-color label with bleed. At customers request, I had to have the >labels drop shipped to another state to where the application to the >product took place. When I found out that they reduced the bar codes, >I got scared and asked for them to overnight a sample. Next day, I >got the sample. The sample looked like it went thru a train wreck and >there was NO bar code at all! > >Called the client, they contacted the company who manufactured the >product that was hand applying the labels. By the time they were >contacted, half of 30,000 boxes were labeled. Only sensible recourses >were to: A) reprint the 3x5 labels and try to hand apply OVER existing >labels or: B), print tiny bar code labels and hand place into the void >of the existing label. The client went with the tiny bar code labels. > >The company doing the hand applying gave me an >invoice for $800 to re- label 15,000 buggers by >hand (after all, it was not their mistake). > >Discount Labels was very good at fixing the problem. They ran the bar >codes for free, over-nighted them, picked up the tab for the $800 >extra labor and reran the balance of the labels WITH the bar codes for >free. Those too were overnighted. > >However, the nightmare continues. The rerun is extremely out of >register. The client, polite, but finished, accepted the out of >register labels at a discount. The client was thru dealing with me >and just wanted closure. > >Moral of the story, I now NEVER drop ship ANYTHING a second party >prints for me to a third party REGARDLESS of clients demands. They >come to me first for inspection. > >Discount Labels made good on their mistake, >however . . . . . . . . . . . > >After months of door knocking, I finally got my foot in this accounts >door and they gave me an order. - First job for this new client and >it was really screwed up. Even the fix up was screwed up. I lost the >account. Oh, I forgot to mention, the account is the largest employer >in our town, employing over 800 with annual sales of $250,000,000.00. >Yes that is a quarter of a billion dollars in yearly sales. They are >the WORLDS largest pet internet mail order company. Knocking on >their door since then, I was told that I had my chance. Oh well, I >guess I will have to go out and find another multi billion dollar >company in my neck of the rural woods to do printing for. > >Uuggg. > >Greg > > >On Aug 4, 2008, at 1:24 AM, StevePrint wrote: > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>Been using Discount for last 7 years. Never had an error. We supply >>PDF's of all items. >>Best service in industry. >> >>Steve Salstrom >>Bay Business Printing >>1521 Cornwall Ave. >>Bellingham, WA 98225 >>360-671-2997 >>www.iorderprinting.com >>Ideas & Solutions >>http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting >> >> >> >>In a message dated 08/04/08 11:02:51 Pacific >>Daylight Time, po-lists@sugarloafprint.com writes: >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>Amazing >> >>4th order in a row Discount Label made a mistake. >> >>The first three times I was pleasant. >> >>I just got off the phone with Robin... >> >>I said to Robin, "Your company has a quality control problem" >>She agreed and went on to say "Sir, you have to understand we do about >>2,000 orders everyday and out of that only 190 people call with a >>problem!" >> >>"Robin" I said, "That is over a 9% error rate, industry standard is >>2%-3% errors. I need a vendor I can trust." >> >>We left at as they will reprint it today and overnight it. I will have >>it tomorrow, on their dime. >> >>They funny thing I realized during our conversation was, they where >>proud of the fact that they can fix their errors so quickly. These >>people are more "re-active" instead of "pro-active". They are more >>concerned with putting out fires instead of preventing them. A lousy >>way >>to run a business. >> >>-- >>Ron Sardo >>Sugarloaf Print Shop >>mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com >>www.sugarloafprint.com >>570-788-5099 * Fax: 570-788-6077 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >>-- >>This message has been scanned for viruses and >>dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>believed to be clean. > > >Press Express >1869 N. 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Hell, it's the paper mills that started this! My guess is it's a ploy to staunch the competition from China. What a deal we have for you Mr. Printer. We are going to charge you $2,000 to $5,000 so you can buy paper from us! We had a mill rep in here last week. He told us that there was going to be a shortage of color papers in the bond and offset lines for the next six months. Seems the dyes to color the paper are made in China at the plants they are shutting down during the Olympics because of pollution. Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 http://www.gallagherprint.com An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network From sos at olympus.net Wed Aug 6 16:20:53 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Aug 6 16:21:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC References: <000c01c8f7fb$2cf6c180$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Message-ID: <058f01c8f801$ecfb0a30$6900a8c0@DANIEL> >If they are all certified, the chain of custody process becomes pretty pointless. =================== It's much more complicated for a paper company to get certified. They have to know where the pulp is coming from, where the wood chips came from, and that the forest that grew the trees is certified. What percentage is post consumer waste recycled, what percentage is mill trimmings and what pulp or wood it came from. You get a lot of mixed source certification. etc. etc. All forests are not certified and probably won't be. But for a printshop it's pretty easy. Either use FSC certified paper and then pass on the chain-of-custody, or don't. And no, I don't feel all warm and fuzzy about it. If it's FSC certified paper why can't you say so? But no you're not allowed to with out approval from the Certifier company. Anyway, we are certified and that's another arrow in our quiver to pitch customers with. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From prtquick at eos.net Wed Aug 6 16:57:17 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Wed Aug 6 16:53:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC In-Reply-To: <058f01c8f801$ecfb0a30$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <000c01c8f7fb$2cf6c180$f901a8c0@MitchDell> <058f01c8f801$ecfb0a30$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: Dan, What do you mean "you can't say so" if it's FSC ? I've been asked - and I say that some of the paper I sell is FSC certified. I don't have to pay thousands of dollars to read a paper label to my customer. I show them the paper chip charts, it's printed right there. Of course I wouldn't put an FSC logo in my newsletter unless I have coughed up the dough and been audited. Thanks! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - On Aug 6, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> If they are all certified, the chain of custody process becomes >> pretty > pointless. > =================== > > It's much more complicated for a paper company to get certified. > They have to know where the pulp is coming from, where the wood > chips came from, and that the forest that grew the trees is > certified. What percentage is post consumer waste recycled, what > percentage is mill trimmings and what pulp or wood it came from. > You get a lot of mixed source certification. etc. etc. > > All forests are not certified and probably won't be. > > But for a printshop it's pretty easy. Either use FSC certified > paper and then pass on the chain-of-custody, or don't. > > And no, I don't feel all warm and fuzzy about it. If it's FSC > certified paper why can't you say so? But no you're not allowed to > with out approval from the Certifier company. > > Anyway, we are certified and that's another arrow in our quiver to > pitch customers with. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mike at arborprinting.com Wed Aug 6 16:53:03 2008 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Wed Aug 6 16:55:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC References: <000c01c8f7fb$2cf6c180$f901a8c0@MitchDell> <058f01c8f801$ecfb0a30$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <012601c8f806$6ba50c10$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Does that mean you only buy certified papers? Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. 5100 Academy Dr., Ste 100 Lisle, IL 60532 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Huntingford" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] FSC > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >>If they are all certified, the chain of custody process becomes pretty > pointless. > =================== > > It's much more complicated for a paper company to get certified. They > have to know where the pulp is coming from, where the wood chips came > from, and that the forest that grew the trees is certified. What > percentage is post consumer waste recycled, what percentage is mill > trimmings and what pulp or wood it came from. You get a lot of mixed > source certification. etc. etc. > > All forests are not certified and probably won't be. > > But for a printshop it's pretty easy. Either use FSC certified paper and > then pass on the chain-of-custody, or don't. > > And no, I don't feel all warm and fuzzy about it. If it's FSC certified > paper why can't you say so? But no you're not allowed to with out > approval from the Certifier company. > > Anyway, we are certified and that's another arrow in our quiver to pitch > customers with. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From sos at olympus.net Wed Aug 6 17:29:43 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Aug 6 17:29:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC References: <000c01c8f7fb$2cf6c180$f901a8c0@MitchDell><058f01c8f801$ecfb0a30$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <05e601c8f80b$8acf9dd0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Finke" > What do you mean "you can't say so" if it's FSC ? I've been asked - and I > say that some of the paper I sell is FSC certified. > I don't have to pay thousands of dollars to read a paper label to my > customer. I show them the paper chip charts, it's printed right there. > > Of course I wouldn't put an FSC logo in my newsletter unless I have > coughed up the dough and been audited. ==================== FSC is, I don't know, copyrighted, registered trademark, you aren't supposed to use it unless you are certified. It is a chain-of-custody thing. Unless you are certified, how do "they" know you are an official link in the chain? So no, you can't use the logo. Oh dear god no. Although if you did, a cease and desist letter is probably the worst that could happen. What with our Printed locally in Port Townsend, WA logo, EnviroStar logo, recycled Logo, FSC Logo, Soy Ink Logo, paragraph about Alcohol Free, non ablative plates printing, on elemental chlorine free, acid free, archival, made with 100% biomass renewable energy paper. . . there is hardly room left to print the customer's job. Yikes. It's getting out of hand isn't it? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From sos at olympus.net Wed Aug 6 17:39:40 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Aug 6 17:39:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC References: <000c01c8f7fb$2cf6c180$f901a8c0@MitchDell><058f01c8f801$ecfb0a30$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <012601c8f806$6ba50c10$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <05eb01c8f80c$eeb4ee30$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike@arborprinting.com" > Does that mean you only buy certified papers? ================== No, you can buy any paper you want. But you can't put the FSC logo on a printed product unless you use FSC certified paper. And then you need to keep track of that in your bookkeeping so that when you are audited for renewal of your certification, you can (that's where I'm a little fuzzy actually) show them that you bought $12,000 worth of FSC paper and didn't bill out $63,000 worth or anything like that. That is matches what you claim. Which can be a little tricky, if a book has non FSC covers but FSC guts, then you need to note the percentage of each and use a mixed sources logo. Well, this has been fun, but I need to get back to work. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From braddpotter at juno.com Thu Aug 7 01:34:30 2008 From: braddpotter at juno.com (Brad Potter) Date: Thu Aug 7 01:35:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] full color fold over bus cards Message-ID: <20080806.223430.26628.1@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Ok, we have a case where a vendor can charge MORE than "double" the 4/4 price, and we are wondering why they are doing it? Answer? because the CAN, and know what, we should too! I MORE than triple my cost on this stuff, AND charge for graphics on top of it. And do not forget, that it has to be scored and had better be straight. So when a customer asks us why it is more than double, I just say it is a lot more work to get that little score line straight. So Grandma has to come in, and do it between tea breaks with her spoon. And guess what, they buy or they don't. I am SICK AND TIRED of the whiney tight a@@ customers sometimes. Sure, they can go to Office Depot or Staples and get the 19.95 do it your self cards. Know what my mentor (he does not know he is my mentor, I just save every post in a kind of creepy montage, I dot all the i's in his posts with little hearts) Scott C. would say>?> This is paraphrased of course, but cut their tight a@@ lose, and get out there and sell something to someone that needs what you are selling, and is willing to pay for it! Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] full color fold over bus cards To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes I cannot do 4/4 printing cost effectively I cannot do UV coating As far as the $130 being pricy, it was outsourced to a "gang run" full color business card house. In the day and age when you can get 2,5004/4 regular business cards for $39 dollars, the $130 just seemed pricy, but who am I to know anyway. Greg On Aug 6, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Dominick's Printing wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > So, why are you not doing these in house if $130 is "pricey"?????? > Actually that is cheap! > > For us, because they are are custom and have "value added" quality, > we do them in house and have no complaints charging $400 for 2500. > > Quality, customer service and control on the product is the best way > to go. > > Joe Dominick > > Dominick's Quality Printing > 542 W. Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > 541.881.1121 > Fax 541.881.1599 > Brad Potter Printing Services Inc. www.myprintsource.net Your Printing Super Hero 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A Port Orchard, WA 98366 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax P.S. Referrals are the lifeblood of our business. If you have a friend, or business associate who can benefit from our expert design and associated printing related products and services, please contact me. I promise to treat them with respect and the highest level of integrity. Your referrals are the greatest compliment that we can receive, so please don't keep us a secret! *** ____________________________________________________________ Visit New England and experience Old World charm. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nKrjmR16pBrkcw95IgDiuAP9rekMbA5ntXGpnmW8oKuO6vq/ From mark at cordesprinting.com Thu Aug 7 08:16:59 2008 From: mark at cordesprinting.com (Mark Cordes) Date: Thu Aug 7 08:11:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC In-Reply-To: <05eb01c8f80c$eeb4ee30$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <000c01c8f7fb$2cf6c180$f901a8c0@MitchDell><058f01c8f801$ecfb0a30$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <012601c8f806$6ba50c10$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <05eb01c8f80c$eeb4ee30$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <489AE7BB.8080407@cordesprinting.com> I'm all for the environment and such but this FSC thing reminds me of a joke I once heard: Question: How many people does it take to clean up an environmental problem? Answer: 50. You need 39 lawyers, 10 engineers and 1 guy on a backhoe. Mark Mark Cordes Cordes Printing, Inc. 460 Braen Avenue Wyckoff, NJ 07481 201.652.7272 mark@cordesprinting.com www.cordesprinting.com Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike@arborprinting.com" > > >> Does that mean you only buy certified papers? > ================== > > No, you can buy any paper you want. But you can't put the FSC logo on > a printed product unless you use FSC certified paper. And then you > need to keep track of that in your bookkeeping so that when you are > audited for renewal of your certification, you can (that's where I'm a > little fuzzy actually) show them that you bought $12,000 worth of FSC > paper and didn't bill out $63,000 worth or anything like that. That is > matches what you claim. > > Which can be a little tricky, if a book has non FSC covers but FSC > guts, then you need to note the percentage of each and use a mixed > sources logo. > > Well, this has been fun, but I need to get back to work. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From scottv at regalpress.net Thu Aug 7 08:21:28 2008 From: scottv at regalpress.net (Scott Vicnaire) Date: Thu Aug 7 08:21:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Calendar vendor Message-ID: <000001c8f888$20786160$0310a8c0@Ellsworth> Hello, I have a client who would like some custom wall and desk blotter type calendars. Who would you all recommend? Thanks! Scott Vicnaire Regal Printing & Graphics Ellsworth, ME 04605 Sincerely, Scott Vicnaire Full Circle Printing Solutions 265 Water Street Ellsworth, ME 04650 207-667-5227 140 South Main Street Brewer, ME 04412 207-989-4100 www.fullcircleprintingsolutions.com From bherion at bucksdigital.com Thu Aug 7 08:41:44 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Thu Aug 7 08:41:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 36, Issue 18 In-Reply-To: <20080807122150.E9EC810197F7@rb.enter.net> References: <20080807122150.E9EC810197F7@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080807083352.0344a710@bucksdigital.com> At 08:21 AM 8/7/2008, Dan Huntingford wrote: >What with our Printed locally in Port Townsend, WA logo, EnviroStar logo, >recycled Logo, FSC Logo, Soy Ink Logo, paragraph about Alcohol Free, non >ablative plates printing, on elemental chlorine free, acid free, archival, >made with 100% biomass renewable energy paper. . . >there is hardly room left to print the customer's job. > >Yikes. It's getting out of hand isn't it? Makes me think we'll need an ingredients label - LOL Hey, with all the request for FSC (because we want to do the right thing), what about recycled papers? Has the world forgotten about recycling? Seems to me using FSC stocks will have a NEGATIVE impact on the environment in the long run. Am I being stupid? Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From mark at cordesprinting.com Thu Aug 7 09:18:20 2008 From: mark at cordesprinting.com (Mark Cordes) Date: Thu Aug 7 09:13:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Crestline dampening help needed Message-ID: <489AF61C.1050106@cordesprinting.com> My pressman asked me to run this up the flag pole -- We have a Ryobi 3200 with a swing-away T head. The T head is running a Crestline dampener. It seems that every 2000 impressions he needs to stop and clean the lead edge of the plate to prevent scumming. On long runs as the press heats up he has to stop every 1200 sheets. Any suggestions? Someone once told him he should try putting some ice cubes in the water. Perhaps an olive and one of those little umbrellas would help too??!! Maybe we should try a different fountain solution? Is this common on Crestline dampeners? We run Kompacs on every other press but unfortunately Kompac does not (or did not when the press was purchased) make a unit for the swing-away T head. Mark Mark Cordes Cordes Printing, Inc. 460 Braen Avenue Wyckoff, NJ 07481 201.652.7272 mark@cordesprinting.com www.cordesprinting.com From jacemeister at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 09:20:17 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Thu Aug 7 09:20:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Help Message-ID: I have to fill out stock certificates for a new bank in town. The customer provided a spreadsheet with the number of shares each shareholder bought. He wants us to print the number onto each certificate (for instance, 2050) but also wants the number printed in text (two thousand fifty) in another area. Is there a command in Excel to convert the number to text? I've tried using the number to text command but that didn't work. TIA -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com From joe at calagaz.com Thu Aug 7 10:16:48 2008 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Thu Aug 7 10:16:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Running 4 color and Press consistancy Message-ID: I am some what new to the whole press world and I have a couple of questions that I would like some clarity on. What I am trying to accomplish is to have the press produce the same color hitting the same standard for each run and then if I don't like what I am getting I go up stream to the plate/rip/source files to make changes but that means my press has to meet some standard so it can hit it and I know the press is not where the problem is.....right now I have a color bar that I use that I repeat 100% of the 4 process colors and measure to make sure the densities are with in range (I got numbers from the group a few years ago and that is what I am using) I have started reading about GRACoL 7 and I am not sure I totally understand it.....yet I think it has a lot to do with the up stream process not necessarily how to get the press to be consistent. If I understand the process to bring a press up to color (and I am not sure I do) there are 3 ways to adjust color on the press.(I am not worried about the image on the plate, the rip or in the source file I can do that) 1. Adjust the ink keys (open or close to control the amount of ink that is put into the ink train by zones) 2. Adjust the ink ball (this is how fast the ink is pushed into the train) 3. adjust the water amount.(to much water washes out the colors) First, did I get all of that right and am I missing anything? Second, we have been using the ink ball to control ink and I don't think that is right. And third, should we be running as low of water and ink ball as we can and then open the keys more? I really would like some experienced based knowledge and I have talked to Heidelberg and they can send in one of the demonstrators ($3-4K) but I am not sure that will really solve my problem, because most of them do not actually run production on presses...... What I really think should happen is that the pressman measures the colorbars and almost ignores the image that he is printing and if the colorbars are right then the image should fall in line......? Joe Calagaz Calagaz Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 ps I have a PrintMaster 52 4-P color with a baldwin dryer with the Classic Consol and prepress interface From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Thu Aug 7 10:37:42 2008 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Thu Aug 7 10:36:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 36, Issue 18 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080807083352.0344a710@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <000001c8f89b$263e8530$f901a8c0@MitchDell> That's why I asked what the next hoop the environmentalists were going to have us to jump through next. It's been recycled papers for the last few years, now it looks like it's going to be FSC. When the majority of papers are FSC certified, and the supply chain becomes certified, what will they have to bitch about then? Everyone will be certified and following the FSC guidelines then the next wave of environmental, make me feel good, requirements will come down the pike. Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Bob Herion Has the world forgotten about recycling? Seems to me using FSC stocks will have a NEGATIVE impact on the environment in the long run. Am I being stupid? From Susan at cdandp.net Thu Aug 7 11:36:49 2008 From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton) Date: Thu Aug 7 11:38:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] More Census Stuff References: Message-ID: <089e01c8f8a3$686bc4b0$8302a8c0@Robbin> OK, all of you guys who didn't turn in your census stuff. I just recemveed a Notice of Failure to Provide Mandatory 2007 Economic Census Report saying that the Census Bureau has contacted the U.S. Department of Commerce that I haven't returned my census and that, if I don't return the census in 15 days (I don't even have it any more), I will be prosecuted with a fine of not more than $500. What do I do now? I followed your advice about not sending it in, but I don't like to break the law, either. Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, VA 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Calagaz" To: ; "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:16 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Running 4 color and Press consistancy ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am some what new to the whole press world and I have a couple of questions that I would like some clarity on. What I am trying to accomplish is to have the press produce the same color hitting the same standard for each run and then if I don't like what I am getting I go up stream to the plate/rip/source files to make changes but that means my press has to meet some standard so it can hit it and I know the press is not where the problem is.....right now I have a color bar that I use that I repeat 100% of the 4 process colors and measure to make sure the densities are with in range (I got numbers from the group a few years ago and that is what I am using) I have started reading about GRACoL 7 and I am not sure I totally understand it.....yet I think it has a lot to do with the up stream process not necessarily how to get the press to be consistent. If I understand the process to bring a press up to color (and I am not sure I do) there are 3 ways to adjust color on the press.(I am not worried about the image on the plate, the rip or in the source file I can do that) 1. Adjust the ink keys (open or close to control the amount of ink that is put into the ink train by zones) 2. Adjust the ink ball (this is how fast the ink is pushed into the train) 3. adjust the water amount.(to much water washes out the colors) First, did I get all of that right and am I missing anything? Second, we have been using the ink ball to control ink and I don't think that is right. And third, should we be running as low of water and ink ball as we can and then open the keys more? I really would like some experienced based knowledge and I have talked to Heidelberg and they can send in one of the demonstrators ($3-4K) but I am not sure that will really solve my problem, because most of them do not actually run production on presses...... What I really think should happen is that the pressman measures the colorbars and almost ignores the image that he is printing and if the colorbars are right then the image should fall in line......? Joe Calagaz Calagaz Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 ps I have a PrintMaster 52 4-P color with a baldwin dryer with the Classic Consol and prepress interface _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3336 (20080807) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Thu Aug 7 11:42:57 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Thu Aug 7 11:43:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC scam Message-ID: Scott, thanks for saving me the time to research the point/counterpoint of the FSC. As I was reading their website, I realized that in order to pull this off, they would have to create a bureaucracy similar to a mini-government. Sort of like an OSHA for trees. It just wouldn't work, and evidence is showing up already that some countries are bringing the program to a temporary halt for further review. Their 'rules' made me want to puke. It just smelled wrong. I agree that we don't want to screw our planet up with deforestation of the Amazon and so forth, but this FSC sounds like it is run by Fidel's son or brother or similar. 2 cents. Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 FSC is both a joke and a scam: http://www.fsc-watch.org PIA is responding with an initiative process of its own that is much more reasonable. Here's the real deal: https://www.sgppartnership.org Its still in the process of formation, but this is where you want to focus you attention. S. From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Thu Aug 7 11:47:46 2008 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Thu Aug 7 11:48:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] More Census Stuff References: <089e01c8f8a3$686bc4b0$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: <36A5740094194BBF91DB3D21F4B09964@Nancy> I got the same letter. Had one of the half dozen or so they sent. Filled it out....kinda and mailed the D#$@ thing in yesterday. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Compton" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 11:36 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] More Census Stuff > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > OK, all of you guys who didn't turn in your census stuff. > > I just recemveed a Notice of Failure to Provide Mandatory 2007 Economic > Census Report saying that the Census Bureau has contacted the U.S. > Department of Commerce that I haven't returned my census and that, if I > don't return the census in 15 days (I don't even have it any more), I > will be prosecuted with a fine of not more than $500. > > What do I do now? I followed your advice about not sending it in, but I > don't like to break the law, either. > > Susan Wells Compton > Compton Design & Printing Inc. > 109 South Jefferson Street > Lexington, VA 24450 > 540-463-9232 > 540-464-4329 Fax > Susan@cdandp.net > www.cdandp.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Calagaz" > To: ; "Discussion List for Printing > Business Owners Only" > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:16 AM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Running 4 color and Press consistancy > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am some what new to the whole press world and I have a couple of > questions that I would like some clarity on. > > > > What I am trying to accomplish is to have the press produce the same > color hitting the same standard for each run and then if I don't like > what I am getting I go up stream to the plate/rip/source files to make > changes but that means my press has to meet some standard so it can hit > it and I know the press is not where the problem is.....right now I have > a color bar that I use that I repeat 100% of the 4 process colors and > measure to make sure the densities are with in range (I got numbers from > the group a few years ago and that is what I am using) I have started > reading about GRACoL 7 and I am not sure I totally understand it.....yet > I think it has a lot to do with the up stream process not necessarily > how to get the press to be consistent. > > > > If I understand the process to bring a press up to color (and I am not > sure I do) there are 3 ways to adjust color on the press.(I am not > worried about the image on the plate, the rip or in the source file I > can do that) > > 1. Adjust the ink keys (open or close to control the amount of ink > that is put into the ink train by zones) > 2. Adjust the ink ball (this is how fast the ink is pushed into the > train) > 3. adjust the water amount.(to much water washes out the colors) > > First, did I get all of that right and am I missing anything? Second, we > have been using the ink ball to control ink and I don't think that is > right. And third, should we be running as low of water and ink ball as > we can and then open the keys more? > > > > I really would like some experienced based knowledge and I have talked > to Heidelberg and they can send in one of the demonstrators ($3-4K) but > I am not sure that will really solve my problem, because most of them do > not actually run production on presses...... > > > > What I really think should happen is that the pressman measures the > colorbars and almost ignores the image that he is printing and if the > colorbars are right then the image should fall in line......? > > > > Joe Calagaz > Calagaz Printing > Mobile, AL 36606 > 251-478-0487 > > > > ps I have a PrintMaster 52 4-P color with a baldwin dryer with the > Classic Consol and prepress interface > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3336 (20080807) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mike at arborprinting.com Thu Aug 7 11:49:24 2008 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Thu Aug 7 11:51:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] More Census Stuff References: <089e01c8f8a3$686bc4b0$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: <007301c8f8a5$2ae21110$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> I folded on the last letter and filled it out, took about 1/2 hour. Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. 5100 Academy Dr., Ste 100 Lisle, IL 60532 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Compton" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:36 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] More Census Stuff > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > OK, all of you guys who didn't turn in your census stuff. > > I just recemveed a Notice of Failure to Provide Mandatory 2007 Economic > Census Report saying that the Census Bureau has contacted the U.S. > Department of Commerce that I haven't returned my census and that, if I > don't return the census in 15 days (I don't even have it any more), I > will be prosecuted with a fine of not more than $500. > > What do I do now? I followed your advice about not sending it in, but I > don't like to break the law, either. > > Susan Wells Compton > Compton Design & Printing Inc. > 109 South Jefferson Street > Lexington, VA 24450 > 540-463-9232 > 540-464-4329 Fax > Susan@cdandp.net > www.cdandp.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Calagaz" > To: ; "Discussion List for Printing > Business Owners Only" > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:16 AM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Running 4 color and Press consistancy > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am some what new to the whole press world and I have a couple of > questions that I would like some clarity on. > > > > What I am trying to accomplish is to have the press produce the same > color hitting the same standard for each run and then if I don't like > what I am getting I go up stream to the plate/rip/source files to make > changes but that means my press has to meet some standard so it can hit > it and I know the press is not where the problem is.....right now I have > a color bar that I use that I repeat 100% of the 4 process colors and > measure to make sure the densities are with in range (I got numbers from > the group a few years ago and that is what I am using) I have started > reading about GRACoL 7 and I am not sure I totally understand it.....yet > I think it has a lot to do with the up stream process not necessarily > how to get the press to be consistent. > > > > If I understand the process to bring a press up to color (and I am not > sure I do) there are 3 ways to adjust color on the press.(I am not > worried about the image on the plate, the rip or in the source file I > can do that) > > 1. Adjust the ink keys (open or close to control the amount of ink > that is put into the ink train by zones) > 2. Adjust the ink ball (this is how fast the ink is pushed into the > train) > 3. adjust the water amount.(to much water washes out the colors) > > First, did I get all of that right and am I missing anything? Second, we > have been using the ink ball to control ink and I don't think that is > right. And third, should we be running as low of water and ink ball as > we can and then open the keys more? > > > > I really would like some experienced based knowledge and I have talked > to Heidelberg and they can send in one of the demonstrators ($3-4K) but > I am not sure that will really solve my problem, because most of them do > not actually run production on presses...... > > > > What I really think should happen is that the pressman measures the > colorbars and almost ignores the image that he is printing and if the > colorbars are right then the image should fall in line......? > > > > Joe Calagaz > Calagaz Printing > Mobile, AL 36606 > 251-478-0487 > > > > ps I have a PrintMaster 52 4-P color with a baldwin dryer with the > Classic Consol and prepress interface > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3336 (20080807) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Thu Aug 7 11:59:41 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Harkins) Date: Thu Aug 7 11:59:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] More Census Stuff In-Reply-To: <089e01c8f8a3$686bc4b0$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: On 8/7/08 10:36 AM, "Susan Compton" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > OK, all of you guys who didn't turn in your census stuff. > > I just recemveed a Notice of Failure to Provide Mandatory 2007 Economic > Census Report saying that the Census Bureau has contacted the U.S. > Department of Commerce that I haven't returned my census and that, if I > don't return the census in 15 days (I don't even have it any more), I will > be prosecuted with a fine of not more than $500. I got that letter and decided I should send it in. I didn't spend much time filling it out, but I made sure the numbers added up. Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Aug 7 12:03:34 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Aug 7 12:03:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] More Census Stuff Message-ID: In a message dated 8/7/2008 11:40:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Susan@cdandp.net writes: OK, all of you guys who didn't turn in your census stuff. I just recemveed a Notice of Failure to Provide Mandatory 2007 Economic Census Report saying that the Census Bureau has contacted the U.S. Department of Commerce that I haven't returned my census and that, if I don't return the census in 15 days (I don't even have it any more), I will be prosecuted with a fine of not more than $500. What do I do now? I followed your advice about not sending it in, but I don't like to break the law, either. Oh sure, since when does the Dept. of Commerce have enforcement authority. They will have to turn the issue over to the Justice Department who will immediately jump on this case because of its national significance. They will probably get around to possibly sending you a letter of sorts sometime in late 2009 and your first response will be that you simply were faced with either taking the time to fill-out the survey or running your business. You chose the latter, explaining you simply did not have the time nor the personnel then or now to complete that form. That's a statement of fact. You will gladly comply if they will send someone to your offices to help you complete it. Do you really think with all the issues the Dept. of Justice is charged with enforcing that they are going to come down on you with a heavy fist? Where do you think "failure to complete a census form" falls in the list of priorities at the Justice Department? With me it is a matter of principle, I simply will not fill-out a survey that is so poorly designed and executed as to serve no possible purpose. And since I am a "printing expert" qualified in the Federal Courts I think I could make a good case for the fact (I might have to call myself) that it would be an utter waste of time to attempt to comply. However, in the event that effort fails or the argument is found lacking I will write a couple of more letters appealing my case. By this time, I believe we will be into late 2010 or possibly 2011 and if all else fails I will throw myself on the mercy of the court, plead ignorance, and ask them to send me another copy to complete. If that happens, I will immediately order 3-4 rubber stamps made that will say, "Unknown," "Data Unavailable," "Question Not Clear and thus cannot be answered properly," etc., etc. We could easily be into Obama's second term in office before this is all over. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From digitaldeb at graphiccreations.com Thu Aug 7 12:18:39 2008 From: digitaldeb at graphiccreations.com (Debbie Billings) Date: Thu Aug 7 12:18:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Chicago airfare Message-ID: <39BA2743-F945-4924-A7ED-4CDD576E0217@graphiccreations.com> For anyone who may be attending the owners conference and American is a good option as airline - just a note that AA is having a decent sale for a few days. I save well over 150.00 on RT airfare. Just FYI - hope to see you there! -Debbie From sos at olympus.net Thu Aug 7 12:25:11 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Aug 7 12:25:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Running 4 color and Press consistancy References: Message-ID: <006301c8f8aa$2a8d4810$6900a8c0@DANIEL> If I understand the process to bring a press up to color (and I am not sure I do) there are 3 ways to adjust color on the press.(I am not worried about the image on the plate, the rip or in the source file I can do that) 1. Adjust the ink keys (open or close to control the amount of ink that is put into the ink train by zones) 2. Adjust the ink ball (this is how fast the ink is pushed into the train) 3. adjust the water amount.(to much water washes out the colors) ================== Joe, Based on my extensive experience (part time over the course of three years) running our PM52-4 (GTOV) I think you've got it right. The ink sweep (never heard it called ink ball) should be about 25 to start with and go higher for heavier coverage, control the density with the ink keys, if you print to standard ink densities the proof will match, you don't even have to look at it, according to GATF's Dan Remaly. If your proofer is set up properly, it will be printing at standard ink densities too. Then run the dampeners as dry as you can without getting toning and viola. Perfect printing. The problem I run into is your ink density can indeed change when you're in production. You'll notice this if you pull a sheet every 100 or so. You can correct this, but by the time you're back to good, the short run job is over and you're out of paper. So order 2000 sheets for every 1000 sheet job and you've got a chance. The more experience you or your pressman gain, the better you can guess and the quicker you'll be set up properly and the less make ready you'll need. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From tracy at commercialpressink.com Thu Aug 7 12:38:41 2008 From: tracy at commercialpressink.com (Tracy Charleson) Date: Thu Aug 7 12:38:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] More Census stuff In-Reply-To: <20080807154814.DD38C1019FCF@rb.enter.net> References: <20080807154814.DD38C1019FCF@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <9B6991C6-296D-489B-8FF7-5D1285B0DBF4@commercialpressink.com> >> Ditto here! But...it is a fine of up to $5000. It says 5000 on the front, second paragraph, last line and on the back on a footnote. At this point I guess I will spend our 8 hour drive to Pennsylvania tomorrow, for our only mini vaca this summer, filling out the paper work. I think I have fought this as much as I dare. I am so mad at having to do this, I don't really care about breaking STUPID laws, but money talks. "Did you know...;. When you shop locally-owned businesses, your money is re-circulated over and over and creates up to 75% more tax revenue to our community and state." Tracy Charleson Commercial Press, Inc. 216 Cowan Road Canton, New York 13617 Phone: (315) 386-3431 Fax: (315) 386-5259 email: info@commercialpressink.com http://www.commercialpressink.com > OK, all of you guys who didn't turn in your census stuff. > > I just recemveed a Notice of Failure to Provide Mandatory 2007 > Economic > Census Report saying that the Census Bureau has contacted the U.S. > Department of Commerce that I haven't returned my census and that, > if I > don't return the census in 15 days (I don't even have it any > more), I will > be prosecuted with a fine of not more than $500. > > What do I do now? I followed your advice about not sending it in, > but I > don't like to break the law, either. > > Susan Wells Compton From jdaghir at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 12:52:00 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Thu Aug 7 12:52:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83d5b9620808070952l6ba97568vb2d5f29aa17a7b24@mail.gmail.com> A google search leads me to believe that there isn't a built-in function in Excel to do this. But here's a Visual Basic macro that looks like it might do the trick: http://tinyurl.com/6ch73p -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Jace said: > I have to fill out stock certificates for a new bank in town. The customer > provided a spreadsheet with the number of shares each shareholder bought. He > wants us to print the number onto each certificate (for instance, > 2050) but also wants the number printed in text (two thousand fifty) in > another area. Is there a command in Excel to convert the number to text? > I've tried using the number to text command but that didn't work. From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Thu Aug 7 13:19:34 2008 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Thu Aug 7 13:19:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080806110852.03408a98@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: Bob: One suggestion is to see if your local electric utility has a REC (replacement energy credit) program available. For every kilowatt you of energy you use, the utility brings in a kilowatt of renewable energy into the power grid; mostly wind energy. In St. Louis, the electric utility is Ameren, and they call the program Pure Power. It costs about 20-25% more every month, but it will give you a solid green story to tell that is much more tangible than the FSC scam. Unfortuantely, some customers have an FSC mandate they put on printers, simply because FSC did a good job of selling them on their debateable green virtues. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Bob Herion Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:22 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Well, its happening. This crap is affecting business. I have lost two major jobs because From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Aug 7 13:21:48 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Aug 7 13:23:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] More Census Stuff In-Reply-To: <089e01c8f8a3$686bc4b0$8302a8c0@Robbin> References: <089e01c8f8a3$686bc4b0$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: <200808071723.m77HNLQd040243@i2bnetworks.com> I got one too, notice the language, "If you do not comply with this final request, your case MAY be submitted to the US DOJ for further action. uh huh...right. I'll wait until the DOJ calls and if they do, I have a few television stations that might be interested. Like how your tax dollars are used to inconvenience people who make this economy go.... S. At 08:36 AM 8/7/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >OK, all of you guys who didn't turn in your census stuff. > >I just recemveed a Notice of Failure to Provide Mandatory 2007 >Economic Census Report saying that the Census Bureau has contacted >the U.S. Department of Commerce that I haven't returned my census >and that, if I don't return the census in 15 days (I don't even have >it any more), I will be prosecuted with a fine of not more than $500. > >What do I do now? I followed your advice about not sending it in, >but I don't like to break the law, either. > >Susan Wells Compton >Compton Design & Printing Inc. >109 South Jefferson Street >Lexington, VA 24450 >540-463-9232 >540-464-4329 Fax >Susan@cdandp.net >www.cdandp.net > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Calagaz" >To: ; "Discussion List for Printing >Business Owners Only" >Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:16 AM >Subject: [PrintOwners] Running 4 color and Press consistancy > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I am some what new to the whole press world and I have a couple of >questions that I would like some clarity on. > > > >What I am trying to accomplish is to have the press produce the same >color hitting the same standard for each run and then if I don't like >what I am getting I go up stream to the plate/rip/source files to make >changes but that means my press has to meet some standard so it can hit >it and I know the press is not where the problem is.....right now I have >a color bar that I use that I repeat 100% of the 4 process colors and >measure to make sure the densities are with in range (I got numbers from >the group a few years ago and that is what I am using) I have started >reading about GRACoL 7 and I am not sure I totally understand it.....yet >I think it has a lot to do with the up stream process not necessarily >how to get the press to be consistent. > > > >If I understand the process to bring a press up to color (and I am not >sure I do) there are 3 ways to adjust color on the press.(I am not >worried about the image on the plate, the rip or in the source file I >can do that) > >1. Adjust the ink keys (open or close to control the amount of ink >that is put into the ink train by zones) >2. Adjust the ink ball (this is how fast the ink is pushed into the >train) >3. adjust the water amount.(to much water washes out the colors) > >First, did I get all of that right and am I missing anything? Second, we >have been using the ink ball to control ink and I don't think that is >right. And third, should we be running as low of water and ink ball as >we can and then open the keys more? > > > >I really would like some experienced based knowledge and I have talked >to Heidelberg and they can send in one of the demonstrators ($3-4K) but >I am not sure that will really solve my problem, because most of them do >not actually run production on presses...... > > > >What I really think should happen is that the pressman measures the >colorbars and almost ignores the image that he is printing and if the >colorbars are right then the image should fall in line......? > > > >Joe Calagaz >Calagaz Printing >Mobile, AL 36606 >251-478-0487 > > > >ps I have a PrintMaster 52 4-P color with a baldwin dryer with the >Classic Consol and prepress interface > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3336 (20080807) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3337 (20080807) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From nt at andrewsblueprint.com Thu Aug 7 14:00:36 2008 From: nt at andrewsblueprint.com (Nancy Thomsen) Date: Thu Aug 7 14:00:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] More Census stuff In-Reply-To: <9B6991C6-296D-489B-8FF7-5D1285B0DBF4@commercialpressink.co m> References: <20080807154814.DD38C1019FCF@rb.enter.net> <9B6991C6-296D-489B-8FF7-5D1285B0DBF4@commercialpressink.com> Message-ID: <20080807180039.8488A101A5E7@rb.enter.net> I'm with John on this one. I filled that thing out every year and had to try to figure out what they want and waisted a couple of hours for nothing. The questions don't apply. With all that has happened this summer, I'll just tell them my husband filled it out. Good luck with that. I can't answer the questions because they don't apply to my business and I can't make numbers up because that is a fine, too. It's a Catch-22. I thew away all the surveys so when the letter came without another copy of the survey, I couldn't fill it out. See I can keep this up for years. Nancy Nancy Thomsen Andrews Blueprint, Inc. 269 Griffin St. Salinas, CA 93901 Phone: (831) 424-0331 www.andrewsblueprint.com At 09:38 AM 8/7/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Ditto here! But...it is a fine of up to $5000. It says 5000 > on the front, second paragraph, last line and on the back on > a footnote. At this point I guess I will spend our 8 hour drive > to Pennsylvania tomorrow, for our only mini vaca this summer, > filling out the paper work. I think I have fought this as much as > I dare. I am so mad at having to do this, I don't really care > about breaking STUPID laws, but money talks. > From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Thu Aug 7 14:06:01 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Thu Aug 7 14:06:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Census and gov't reporting Message-ID: Just make up the numbers like the government does on most things, such as the true rate of inflation and unemployment over the past several decades. Hey, if they want us to believe their baloney, which is merely backed up by 'government economists' (a group of nice folks who buy lots of rubber stamps) give it back to them the same way....chances are, my census got lost in the mail, I never got one to begin with. John's right, I haven't seen the form, but I can imagine the schizo data it must be generating. Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 John Stewart said: With me it is a matter of principle, I simply will not fill-out a survey that is so poorly designed and executed as to serve no possible purpose. And since I am a "printing expert" qualified in the Federal Courts I think I could make a good case for the fact (I might have to call myself) that it would be an utter waste of time to attempt to comply. However, in the event that effort fails or the argument is found lacking I will write a couple of more letters appealing my case.\ From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Thu Aug 7 14:15:52 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Thu Aug 7 14:16:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC and the union bug Message-ID: The FSC stamp of approval reminds me of union printing we have done in the past. We have never been a union printer. When asked to print for unions, and I tell them we are not union, so, they supply us with the bug and say 'print it anyway, the union shop is way too slow'. We have one, maybe 2 union printers in town. Then there are politicians we know who pay for their large print order in cash, and don't want a reciept. One was on our school board, now he's in the US House of Reps. Point: this FSC is heavy handed, and while it may be well thought out, like many good business plans, this one ignored politics, corruption and..... wait a minute, maybe that's where they got their business plan to begin with. Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From kellycrom at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 14:18:06 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Thu Aug 7 14:18:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080806110852.03408a98@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <017901c8f8b9$f122b140$d36813c0$@com> We did just what Bernie mentioned. We calculated how much power our Speedmaster 52 uses in a typical workday, and then subscribed to supplement our electricity with kilowatts of wind energy. It came to about $4.00 for 400 kwh(kilowatt hours). Doing that, we can print for customers(that want it) that their printed piece was produced using wind energy. Only a couple customers have taken advantage of it, but many have expressed interest. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com p.s. Please check out this great presentation on Applied Graphic's Environmental Initiatives - www.mygreatprinter.com ! > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bernard Bahn > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 12:20 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] FSC > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Bob: > > One suggestion is to see if your local electric utility has a REC > (replacement energy credit) program available. For every kilowatt you > of > energy you use, the utility brings in a kilowatt of renewable energy > into > the power grid; mostly wind energy. In St. Louis, the electric utility > is > Ameren, and they call the program Pure Power. It costs about 20-25% > more > every month, but it will give you a solid green story to tell that is > much > more tangible than the FSC scam. > > Unfortuantely, some customers have an FSC mandate they put on printers, > simply because FSC did a good job of selling them on their debateable > green > virtues. > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc > 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 > > Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | > bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com > > http://www.creativeimaginginc.com > Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Bob Herion > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:22 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Well, its happening. > This crap is affecting business. I have lost two major jobs because > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Thu Aug 7 14:27:09 2008 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Thu Aug 7 14:27:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Duplo booklet maker question Message-ID: I think Duplo has a booklet maker that takes a lot of the labor out of the bookletmaking process for digital jobs. You put the stack of collated sheets into the unit, and it auto feeds to the correct 'page stop', stitches, folds, and one-edge trim. (Not sure how it handles covers or different weight stocks within the same job.) Does anyone have such a unit, and if so, does it actually work properly? Cost? Any insight would be appreciated! Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying From sos at olympus.net Thu Aug 7 15:02:55 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Aug 7 15:03:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Duplo booklet maker question References: Message-ID: <00c901c8f8c0$338dcf00$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > Does anyone have such a unit, and if so, does it actually work properly? > Cost? Any insight would be appreciated! ============================ Don't have such a machine, but for large jobs we just print the pages uncollated and then run it through our Duplo Collator/bookletmaker. I believe the model that can feed pre-collated digital jobs is only their top of the line model, $100,000 plus. On smaller run jobs, I find it is quicker and easier to run them collated and then hand feed them through the bookletmaker. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From mike at arborprinting.com Thu Aug 7 15:10:24 2008 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Thu Aug 7 15:12:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC and the union bug References: Message-ID: <010d01c8f8c1$3ef131b0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> "Print it anway" doesn't mean diddley when the you know what hits the fan. We do not print the union bug under any circumstances. Putting the bug on peices and not being authorized to do so can lead to some serious problems. Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. 5100 Academy Dr., Ste 100 Lisle, IL 60532 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry" To: "Printowners" Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 1:15 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC and the union bug ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The FSC stamp of approval reminds me of union printing we have done in the past. We have never been a union printer. When asked to print for unions, and I tell them we are not union, so, they supply us with the bug and say 'print it anyway, the union shop is way too slow'. We have one, maybe 2 union printers in town. Then there are politicians we know who pay for their large print order in cash, and don't want a reciept. One was on our school board, now he's in the US House of Reps. Point: this FSC is heavy handed, and while it may be well thought out, like many good business plans, this one ignored politics, corruption and..... wait a minute, maybe that's where they got their business plan to begin with. Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Susan at cdandp.net Thu Aug 7 15:26:02 2008 From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton) Date: Thu Aug 7 15:28:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Duplo booklet maker question References: Message-ID: <094901c8f8c3$6e3aaf30$8302a8c0@Robbin> Yes, Duplo has such an animal. You can't hook it up with a collator, though. It takes a different type of computer board in the bookletmaker. It costs nearly as much as a collator, as I remember. There is a separate tray for covers, kind of like the digital inserter. When we are doing digital booklets, unless it is a very large job, we just let the digital machine collate, then hand feed them into the bookletmaker. Cover-book-boom, Cover-book-boom. Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, VA 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernard Bahn" To: "multiple recipients of Print Owners" Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 2:27 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Duplo booklet maker question > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I think Duplo has a booklet maker that takes a lot of the labor out of the > bookletmaking process for digital jobs. You put the stack of collated > sheets > into the unit, and it auto feeds to the correct 'page stop', stitches, > folds, and one-edge trim. (Not sure how it handles covers or different > weight stocks within the same job.) > > Does anyone have such a unit, and if so, does it actually work properly? > Cost? Any insight would be appreciated! > > > Respectfully, > > > > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc > 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 > > Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | > bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com > > http://www.creativeimaginginc.com > Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3337 (20080807) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From prtquick at eos.net Thu Aug 7 16:06:47 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Thu Aug 7 16:02:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC and the union bug In-Reply-To: <010d01c8f8c1$3ef131b0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> References: <010d01c8f8c1$3ef131b0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <0437850F-8281-402A-8A40-2FF4F78E812E@eos.net> I've always toyed with the idea of printing a 'bug shaped' doo-hickey that says something like "proudly printed by a family-run business" or "printed in 'merca by 'mericans" but I refuse to imprint union bugs even when customers ask me to. I don't think my customer (who's just trying to save a few bucks) is going to cover my @$$ when the union lawyers comes to call. Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - On Aug 7, 2008, at 3:10 PM, Mike@arborprinting.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > "Print it anway" doesn't mean diddley when the you know what hits > the fan. We do not print the union bug under any circumstances. > Putting the bug on peices and not being authorized to do so can > lead to some serious problems. > > Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. > 5100 Academy Dr., Ste 100 > Lisle, IL 60532 > 630-969-2277 > www.arborprinting.com > ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry" > To: "Printowners" > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 1:15 PM > Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC and the union bug > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The FSC stamp of approval reminds me of union printing we have done > in the past. We have never been a union printer. When asked to print > for unions, and I tell them we are not union, so, they supply us > with the bug and say 'print it anyway, the union shop is way too > slow'. We have one, maybe 2 union printers in town. > > Then there are politicians we know who pay for their large print > order in cash, and don't want a reciept. One was on our school > board, now he's > in the US House of Reps. > > Point: this FSC is heavy handed, and while it may be well thought > out, like many good business plans, this one ignored politics, > corruption and..... > wait a minute, maybe that's where they got their business plan to > begin with. > > > > Larry Taylor > Desert Pacific Printing > Tucson, AZ > 520-745-8004 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From info at aeroprinting.com Thu Aug 7 16:21:59 2008 From: info at aeroprinting.com (Carl Core) Date: Thu Aug 7 16:22:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 470ST Supplies Message-ID: Anyone still using this machine? Ours gave up the ghost in May and we have lots of toner, fusers and xerographic modules. If anyone would be interested in relieving us of the stuff we bought please contact me offline. Carl Core Aero Printing, Inc. 710 Elida Ave Delphos, OH 45833 Ph. 419-695-2931 Fax 419-695-9930 info@aeroprinting.com www.aeroprinting.com From sos at olympus.net Thu Aug 7 16:28:38 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Aug 7 16:28:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC and the union bug References: <010d01c8f8c1$3ef131b0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <0437850F-8281-402A-8A40-2FF4F78E812E@eos.net> Message-ID: <00f001c8f8cc$2cdcbde0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > I've always toyed with the idea of printing a 'bug shaped' doo-hickey > that says something like "proudly printed by a family-run business" ====================== John Henry mentioned that he had such a bug many years ago that he used in place of a union bug. So I, being inspired, designed one that said Printed in Port Townsend in a little oval bug. But I've never used it to try to fool anyone into thinking we were a union shop. But I may someday. In pieces I've seen, it's so small you can't tell what it is anyway. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From swiftyprinting at mac.com Thu Aug 7 16:44:06 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Thu Aug 7 16:44:15 2008 Subject: Private Bugs Was Re: [PrintOwners] FSC and the union bug In-Reply-To: <00f001c8f8cc$2cdcbde0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <010d01c8f8c1$3ef131b0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <0437850F-8281-402A-8A40-2FF4F78E812E@eos.net> <00f001c8f8cc$2cdcbde0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <5D477DA4-97D8-4535-8028-F937902E0B07@mac.com> On Aug 7, 2008, at 4:28 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > So I, being inspired, designed one that said Printed in Port > Townsend in a little oval bug. But I've never used it to try to > fool anyone into thinking we were a union shop We created a local bug with printed In USA, Arlington , MA in an oval around a local landmark which is recognizable. We designed it to offer local politicians and businesses an alternative and show support for the community. This way we could offer them something that might have a greater impact. It is not meant to fool but to enhance the value and it is clear enough to read. In fact we just had a local politician ask for it today on some postcards. They are running for Town Selectman and their opponent uses a union shop (yet this is far from a union type of community). Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu Aug 7 17:53:28 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu Aug 7 17:53:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Incredible Message-ID: <8CAC6EF28BB1E94-824-1117@FWM-M19.sysops.aol.com> We applied for a NYC grant for our merchant's association in January. The grant was for $25,000. Well we was just informed that out of 1200 applicants our association had "WON". Here's the kicker. Due to budget cuts, we will not being receiving the grant. It's like why bother telling us. Just had to mention it, though it was funny! Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com From files at aloha4print.com Thu Aug 7 17:59:30 2008 From: files at aloha4print.com (Aloha Print & Copy, LLC) Date: Thu Aug 7 17:53:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC and the union bug In-Reply-To: <010d01c8f8c1$3ef131b0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> References: <010d01c8f8c1$3ef131b0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: Mike is so very right. We are a Union Print Shop and we have to have a license to be able to even print the bug assigned to us. The bug will tell you where it was printed and by what shop. Our bug is legible even when at its smallest size you can loop it and see that information. We've been told by our union: "Illegal use, infringement, limitation and counterfeiting of registered trademarks or labels is a criminal offense throughout the U.S. and Canada." This is as serious as copyright and just like copyright the customer will be gone while you hold the bag. The purpose of being Union is to take care of the employees Health, Welfare and Retirement. Many politicians seek Union printed material to show support for the American way of life. If our current legislation thought more Union- wise, we wouldn't have so many imported products. For example, how do you (union shop or not) like losing prints jobs to the "over-the- seas" internet printers. Usually we lose the job once and they get it from where ever, and then they come back complaining about lack of quality from the internet printer, as if we have control over a company half way around the world. But even one job lost is bad. Before we became Union we always honored the bug and never ran it even when the customer said it was "OK" for he does not have the authority. Nancy Denney Aloha Print & Copy, LLC 212 McMenamy Road St. Peters, MO 63376 636-397-8558 www.aloha4print.com On Aug 7, 2008, at 2:10 PM, Mike@arborprinting.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > "Print it anway" doesn't mean diddley when the you know what hits > the fan. We do not print the union bug under any circumstances. > Putting the bug on peices and not being authorized to do so can > lead to some serious problems. > > Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. > 5100 Academy Dr., Ste 100 > Lisle, IL 60532 > 630-969-2277 > www.arborprinting.com > ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry" > To: "Printowners" > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 1:15 PM > Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC and the union bug > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The FSC stamp of approval reminds me of union printing we have done > in the past. We have never been a union printer. When asked to print > for unions, and I tell them we are not union, so, they supply us > with the bug and say 'print it anyway, the union shop is way too > slow'. We have one, maybe 2 union printers in town. > > Then there are politicians we know who pay for their large print > order in cash, and don't want a reciept. One was on our school > board, now he's > in the US House of Reps. > > Point: this FSC is heavy handed, and while it may be well thought > out, like many good business plans, this one ignored politics, > corruption and..... > wait a minute, maybe that's where they got their business plan to > begin with. > > > > Larry Taylor > Desert Pacific Printing > Tucson, AZ > 520-745-8004 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From char at themasterspress.com Thu Aug 7 17:55:27 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Thu Aug 7 17:55:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Conf Chairman Special Message-ID: I know there are some of you out there that are considering coming to the conference for the 1st time in October. Some are sitting on the fence. I have a special offer just for you if THIS IS YOUR FIRST TIME to attend a NAQP conference. If you call the NAQP office at 1-800-234-0040 and tell them you want the Chairman's Special from Charlene Sims we will give you a $100 off the cost of the conference. I think it is one of the best learning experiences you will ever have and well worth the money. You cannot go online and get this special. You must call the NAQP office. Don't leave your success to chance, ensure your...SUCCESS BY DESIGN. You will have the opportunity to hear speakers about managing your business, breakout sessions on VDP, print with consistent color and many more. The full brochure is on the NAQP website if you did not get one in the mail at www.NAQP.com . Meet many printers you have been discussing and reading emails from as well as meet many suppliers at our Supplier Showcase on Friday night. Charlene NAQP Chairman of the Board Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3330 (20080805) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3333 (20080806) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Aug 7 06:00:56 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Thu Aug 7 18:01:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Incredible In-Reply-To: <8CAC6EF28BB1E94-824-1117@FWM-M19.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAC6EF28BB1E94-824-1117@FWM-M19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001501c8f874$7c6fb6d0$6601a8c0@coranew> Tommy, that is REALLY funny LOL!!!! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:53 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Incredible ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We applied for a NYC grant for our merchant's association in January. The grant was for $25,000. Well we was just informed that out of 1200 applicants our association had "WON". Here's the kicker. Due to budget cuts, we will not being receiving the grant. It's like why bother telling us. Just had to mention it, though it was funny! Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3338 (20080807) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From slb at inkspot.net Thu Aug 7 18:04:19 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Aug 7 18:04:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Duplo booklet maker question In-Reply-To: <00c901c8f8c0$338dcf00$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: , <00c901c8f8c0$338dcf00$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <489B3923.11439.4C877992@slb.inkspot.net> We've recently had a bit of an epiphany on this subject. If a job has 10 or fewer signatures, we run it uncollated (two-up, if possible), and let our Duplo do the collating. If a job has more than 10 signatures, we'll print it one-up, have the digital printer do the collating, and hand-feed the bookletmaker. We avoid running self-cover books two-up, collated. Separating them after trimming takes more time than the $ we lose in the extra clicks. YMMV, Steve > > > > Does anyone have such a unit, and if so, does it actually work properly? > > Cost? Any insight would be appreciated! > ============================ > > Don't have such a machine, but for large jobs we just print the pages > uncollated and then run it through our Duplo Collator/bookletmaker. > I believe the model that can feed pre-collated digital jobs is only their > top of the line model, $100,000 plus. > > On smaller run jobs, I find it is quicker and easier to run them collated > and then hand feed them through the bookletmaker. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3337 (20080807) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From greg at pressexpress.org Thu Aug 7 18:18:14 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Thu Aug 7 18:18:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Incredible In-Reply-To: <8CAC6EF28BB1E94-824-1117@FWM-M19.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAC6EF28BB1E94-824-1117@FWM-M19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I wonder how much money the city wasted on sending out applications, taking them, reviewing the one thousand two hundred applicants, filter thru process of elimination, etc, awarding the winning applicant just to say, " Hey, Copy That! You would have won had this been a real grant deal." Incredible? No, UNBELIEVABLE! That is government for ya. Greg On Aug 7, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Tommy Melendez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We applied for a NYC grant for our merchant's association in > January. The grant was for $25,000. Well we was just informed that > out of 1200 applicants our association had "WON". Here's the kicker. > Due to budget cuts, we will not being receiving the grant. It's like > why bother telling us. Just had to mention it, though it was funny! > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From bnjbriggs at juno.com Thu Aug 7 18:20:46 2008 From: bnjbriggs at juno.com (bnjbriggs@juno.com) Date: Thu Aug 7 18:22:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:the union bug Message-ID: <20080807.182046.11863.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Nancy, Not to doubt you but. I local politician running for the state Senate had the Bug on all is campaign stuff, and under a loop, it was from a place in Mass. called Atlas Printing. With a number of Union shops in Maine he had it printed out of state. There was even another state senator that co-owned a union shop with her husband, & he even had his stuff done at a union shop out of state. I even called a another politician to task for not useing union shops. He was the president of the local paper mills Machinist's Union's local. I am the son of a former Machinists Union District Business Agent, and he didn't even use my shop. He said that he didn't know about me, or that he even should use a union shop. John Henry do you have your fake bug in a pdf format you could share with us? Bob Briggs, Evangel Printers, Bucksport, ME ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Mike is so very right. We are a Union Print Shop and we have to have a license to be able to even print the bug assigned to us. The bug will tell you where it was printed and by what shop. Nancy Denney Aloha Print & Copy, LLC 212 McMenamy Road St. Peters, MO 63376 636-397-8558 www.aloha4print.com ____________________________________________________________ Click here for great computer networking solutions! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iighEH7ATJAGawDCyUcSvRAg8mJZifwESRYwNkPKS3eaRa6f6/ From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu Aug 7 18:31:56 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu Aug 7 18:32:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Incredible In-Reply-To: References: <8CAC6EF28BB1E94-824-1117@FWM-M19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CAC6F488685C99-824-136B@FWM-M19.sysops.aol.com> Greg you are absolutely correct. These had to be filed by Jan 16th. Took them this long just to get back to us. How much money was wasted, just going through all of those applications. By the way. There was around 13 pages to fill out. They don't make it easy to get the grant. Now you can see John's point of view on the census form. It should be called senseless forms. Tommy Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg Weinfurter To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 6:18 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Incredible ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? I wonder how much money the city wasted on sending out applications, taking them, reviewing the one thousand two hundred applicants, filter thru process of elimination, etc, awarding the winning applicant just to say, " Hey, Copy That! You would have won had this been a real grant deal."? ? Incredible? No, UNBELIEVABLE!? ? That is government for ya.? ? Greg? ? ? On Aug 7, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Tommy Melendez wrote:? ? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > We applied for a NYC grant for our merchan t's association in > January. The grant was for $25,000. Well we was just informed that > out of 1200 applicants our association had "WON". Here's the kicker. > Due to budget cuts, we will not being receiving the grant. It's like > why bother telling us. Just had to mention it, though it was funny!? >? >? > Copy That, Inc.? > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service"? > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue? > Bronx, N.Y. 10465? > 718.892.1859? > 718.892.2315 Fax? > www.copythatnyc.com? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? > --> This message has been scanned for viruses and? > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is? > believed to be clean.? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From Michael at wolfiesprint.com Thu Aug 7 18:39:06 2008 From: Michael at wolfiesprint.com (Michael Wolf) Date: Thu Aug 7 18:39:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] NEED A PRINTED DOUBLE SIDED TAPE TO BE DROPPED ONTO A PRINTED PIECE Message-ID: <002c01c8f8de$66de6c20$349b4460$@com> Small preprinted Peal & Seal tape - VENDOR WANTED! The TOP (removable visible side is printed) says "remove this tape to adhere gift card" or similar Overall size of double tape is 1.3/4" x 1" high So that the user can simply peal and seal and then stick on the GIFT CARD to the preprinted fold-over enclosure card Quantity of final pieces could be 50,000 to 150,000 DO YOU KNOW OF ANYONE (Vendor) WHO CAN PROVIDE THIS SERVICE Thanks Michael Wolf THE WOLF PRINTING COMPANY TEL: 714.491.0500 FAX: 714.491.7276 1320 West Santa Ana Street, Anaheim, CA 92802 michael@wolfiesprint.com www.wolfiesprint.com From vern at fosterpress.com Thu Aug 7 20:51:13 2008 From: vern at fosterpress.com (Vern Foster) Date: Thu Aug 7 20:51:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] What do to about a deadbeat? In-Reply-To: <8CAC6F488685C99-824-136B@FWM-M19.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAC6EF28BB1E94-824-1117@FWM-M19.sysops.aol.com> <8CAC6F488685C99-824-136B@FWM-M19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Short story, hope you can help. I had a 3-way relationship with a photographer and the school district (no, this isn't the start of a bad joke). The photographer paid direct for his section of the football program last year, and the school district paid the rest. Today I was told by the coach that they would like to do the same arrangement as last year. This will be difficult, because the photograph hasn't paid me since November. He was our #1 account in the past, before filing bankruptcy, but we cut him off in January, and get token payments every couple of months. At his pace, we might get paid off in a year or two. My question is, how much do I disclose, or do I disclose anything? I can't leave it unsaid, or that puts me in a bad relationship with the school when I bill them for the whole project without prior approval. I know I cannot disclose what a deadbeat he is, but it seems reasonable to me that I should be able to state that "other payment arrangements need to be made since the client no longer has an open account". What recommendations do you have for me? Vern ======================================== Vern Foster ~ Foster Press ~ Lake Stevens, WA vern@fosterpress.com ~ 425-334-9317 ======================================== From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Aug 7 21:20:37 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Aug 7 21:22:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] What do to about a deadbeat? In-Reply-To: References: <8CAC6EF28BB1E94-824-1117@FWM-M19.sysops.aol.com> <8CAC6F488685C99-824-136B@FWM-M19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <200808080122.m781MBLU040981@i2bnetworks.com> Tell the truth. Be honest. He's not a deadbeat, he filed bankruptcy and is making payments to settle his debt as he can. I would say that the subsidy by the photographer is not there this year and the school must find another source for these funds to complete the project. The absolute last thing you want to do is not to communicate, do the project and bill the school for the entire amount. That will obviously get you fired. People like the truth, its the key to long term successful business (and personal) relationships. Begin the conversation with the truth and and a solution will work its way out. S. At 05:51 PM 8/7/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Short story, hope you can help. > >I had a 3-way relationship with a photographer and the school district (no, >this isn't the start of a bad joke). The photographer paid direct for his >section of the football program last year, and the school district paid the >rest. > >Today I was told by the coach that they would like to do the same >arrangement as last year. This will be difficult, because the photograph >hasn't paid me since November. He was our #1 account in the past, before >filing bankruptcy, but we cut him off in January, and get token payments >every couple of months. At his pace, we might get paid off in a year or two. > >My question is, how much do I disclose, or do I disclose anything? I can't >leave it unsaid, or that puts me in a bad relationship with the school when >I bill them for the whole project without prior approval. I know I cannot >disclose what a deadbeat he is, but it seems reasonable to me that I should >be able to state that "other payment arrangements need to be made since the >client no longer has an open account". > >What recommendations do you have for me? >Vern > > >======================================== >Vern Foster ~ Foster Press ~ Lake Stevens, WA >vern@fosterpress.com ~ 425-334-9317 >======================================== > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3338 (20080807) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From eric at prioritypress.com Thu Aug 7 21:47:49 2008 From: eric at prioritypress.com (Eric Mance) Date: Thu Aug 7 21:46:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC and the union bug In-Reply-To: References: <010d01c8f8c1$3ef131b0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: As if we need another reason but Unions will be the final death of this country. Look at the auto industry, GM is in horrible shape. The US can not make a decent auto, to many lawyers and not enough people that give a dam. This country will be in rough shape in the next 5 to 10 years. The US needs to understand that it doesn't control the world...A major change is needed in the outlook that Americans have with their place in this world. War is not he way to a peaceful resolve. The looming elections bring on a time of contiplation. I can't say that I'm for either of the canidates but, our choices are limited to the people that spend the most to play the current game. Neither one of them have a clear plan to help most of us. Our taxes will go up. The current defficit is rediculous. Someone needs to bring a little bit of reality back to the running of our country. It's been a long time since we've seen a positive reaction from our (leaders.) Eric Mance Priority Press (413) 525-6111 (413) 525-2681 fax -----Original Message----- From: "Aloha Print & Copy, LLC" To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:59:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] FSC and the union bug ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Mike is so very right. We are a Union Print Shop and we have to have a license to be able to even print the bug assigned to us. The bug will tell you where it was printed and by what shop. Our bug is legible even when at its smallest size you can loop it and see that information. We've been told by our union: "Illegal use, infringement, limitation and counterfeiting of registered trademarks or labels is a criminal offense throughout the U.S. and Canada." This is as serious as copyright and just like copyright the customer will be gone while you hold the bag. The purpose of being Union is to take care of the employees Health, Welfare and Retirement. Many politicians seek Union printed material to show support for the American way of life. If our current legislation thought more Union- wise, we wouldn't have so many imported products. For example, how do you (union shop or not) like losing prints jobs to the "over-the- seas" internet printers. Usually we lose the job once and they get it from where ever, and then they come back complaining about lack of quality from the internet printer, as if we have control over a company half way around the world. But even one job lost is bad. Before we became Union we always honored the bug and never ran it even when the customer said it was "OK" for he does not have the authority. Nancy Denney Aloha Print & Copy, LLC 212 McMenamy Road St. Peters, MO 63376 636-397-8558 www.aloha4print.com On Aug 7, 2008, at 2:10 PM, Mike@arborprinting.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > "Print it anway" doesn't mean diddley when the you know what hits > the fan. We do not print the union bug under any circumstances. > Putting the bug on peices and not being authorized to do so can > lead to some serious problems. > > Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. > 5100 Academy Dr., Ste 100 > Lisle, IL 60532 > 630-969-2277 > www.arborprinting.com > ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry" > To: "Printowners" > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 1:15 PM > Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC and the union bug > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The FSC stamp of approval reminds me of union printing we have done > in the past. We have never been a union printer. When asked to print > for unions, and I tell them we are not union, so, they supply us > with the bug and say 'print it anyway, the union shop is way too > slow'. We have one, maybe 2 union printers in town. > > Then there are politicians we know who pay for their large print > order in cash, and don't want a reciept. One was on our school > board, now he's > in the US House of Reps. > > Point: this FSC is heavy handed, and while it may be well thought > out, like many good business plans, this one ignored politics, > corruption and..... > wait a minute, maybe that's where they got their business plan to > begin with. > > > > Larry Taylor > Desert Pacific Printing > Tucson, AZ > 520-745-8004 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From vern at fosterpress.com Thu Aug 7 21:46:47 2008 From: vern at fosterpress.com (Vern Foster) Date: Thu Aug 7 21:47:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] What do to about a deadbeat? In-Reply-To: <200808080122.m781MBLU040981@i2bnetworks.com> References: <8CAC6EF28BB1E94-824-1117@FWM-M19.sysops.aol.com><8CAC6F488685C99-824-136B@FWM-M19.sysops.aol.com> <200808080122.m781MBLU040981@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: Thanks, but I should have connected the dots better. He filed bankruptcy, and beat me out of $3,000. Afterward, I continued to do business with him, but told him 30 days, no more. He pushed the limit regularly, and (like an idiot) I continued to work for him until he got 90 days behind again. Promises, and no delivery for payment led to his cut off in January. The payments he is sending is for the invoices he has outstanding SINCE his bankruptcy. If it were as you described, I wouldn't have as big a problem. Thanks for answering, and the advice. Vern ======================================== Vern Foster ~ Foster Press ~ Lake Stevens, WA vern@fosterpress.com ~ 425-334-9317 ======================================== -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 6:21 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] What do to about a deadbeat? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Tell the truth. Be honest. He's not a deadbeat, he filed bankruptcy and is making payments to settle his debt as he can. I would say that the subsidy by the photographer is not there this year and the school must find another source for these funds to complete the project. The absolute last thing you want to do is not to communicate, do the project and bill the school for the entire amount. That will obviously get you fired. People like the truth, its the key to long term successful business (and personal) relationships. Begin the conversation with the truth and and a solution will work its way out. S. At 05:51 PM 8/7/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Short story, hope you can help. > >I had a 3-way relationship with a photographer and the school district (no, >this isn't the start of a bad joke). The photographer paid direct for his >section of the football program last year, and the school district paid the >rest. > >Today I was told by the coach that they would like to do the same >arrangement as last year. This will be difficult, because the photograph >hasn't paid me since November. He was our #1 account in the past, before >filing bankruptcy, but we cut him off in January, and get token payments >every couple of months. At his pace, we might get paid off in a year or two. > >My question is, how much do I disclose, or do I disclose anything? I can't >leave it unsaid, or that puts me in a bad relationship with the school when >I bill them for the whole project without prior approval. I know I cannot >disclose what a deadbeat he is, but it seems reasonable to me that I should >be able to state that "other payment arrangements need to be made since the >client no longer has an open account". > >What recommendations do you have for me? >Vern > > >======================================== >Vern Foster ~ Foster Press ~ Lake Stevens, WA >vern@fosterpress.com ~ 425-334-9317 >======================================== > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3338 (20080807) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Thu Aug 7 22:03:24 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Thu Aug 7 22:03:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Private Bugs In-Reply-To: <20080807215345.75E93101AF72@rb.enter.net> References: <20080807215345.75E93101AF72@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <4F67CAB2C86943C5BD86E7DD47CE5BD6@Leo4allPC> Yes, I have my own bug an eps just like Chuck. Printed in the USA Oswego NY. I do not claim it is union and I tell them I would go to papers and say look I buy printing local not out of state. In my county there is no union shop (other than a 2 huge gravure shops) so if they want a bug they are not buying local. The politicians here all love it. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Fri Aug 8 07:26:36 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Fri Aug 8 07:27:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] What do to about a deadbeat? In-Reply-To: References: <8CAC6EF28BB1E94-824-1117@FWM-M19.sysops.aol.com><8CAC6F488685C99-824-136B@FWM-M19.sysops.aol.com><200808080122.m781MBLU040981@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: Bankruptcy is public record and you don't have to grant credit to someone who files bankruptcy, so that part is easy to tell the school. I wouldn't go into the fact that you granted him credit after that and that he is slow to pay. I would tell the school that he filed bankruptcy, leaving you on the hook for $3,000 and everything you do for him now must be cash up front. You're not lying, you're not giving info about him since the bankruptcy (which could get you in trouble since it is a negative situation) and you would do business with him again if he paid in full up front, right? Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Vern Foster Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:47 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] What do to about a deadbeat? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thanks, but I should have connected the dots better. He filed bankruptcy, and beat me out of $3,000. Afterward, I continued to do business with him, but told him 30 days, no more. He pushed the limit regularly, and (like an idiot) I continued to work for him until he got 90 days behind again. Promises, and no delivery for payment led to his cut off in January. The payments he is sending is for the invoices he has outstanding SINCE his bankruptcy. If it were as you described, I wouldn't have as big a problem. >My question is, how much do I disclose, or do I disclose anything? I >can't leave it unsaid, or that puts me in a bad relationship with the >school when I bill them for the whole project without prior approval. I >know I cannot disclose what a deadbeat he is, but it seems reasonable >to me that I should be able to state that "other payment arrangements >need to be made since the client no longer has an open account". > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From sgfinke at fuse.net Fri Aug 8 08:06:04 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Fri Aug 8 08:03:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Politics (was FSC and the union bug) In-Reply-To: References: <010d01c8f8c1$3ef131b0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <2F58248E-28BD-47CF-962B-FE0AD6978324@fuse.net> Here's a candidate you can really trust: http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/64ad536a6d (work-safe video -- only one mild cuss word) Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Aug 7, 2008, at 9:47 PM, Eric Mance wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > As if we need another reason but Unions will be the final death of > this > country. Look at the auto industry, GM is in horrible shape. The US > can not > make a decent auto, to many lawyers and not enough people that give > a dam. > This country will be in rough shape in the next 5 to 10 years. The > US needs > to understand that it doesn't control the world...A major change is > needed > in the outlook that Americans have with their place in this world. > War is > not he way to a peaceful resolve. The looming elections bring on a > time of > contiplation. I can't say that I'm for either of the canidates but, > our > choices are limited to the people that spend the most to play the > current > game. Neither one of them have a clear plan to help most of us. Our > taxes > will go up. The current defficit is rediculous. Someone needs to > bring a > little bit of reality back to the running of our country. It's been > a long > time since we've seen a positive reaction from our (leaders.) > > Eric Mance > Priority Press > (413) 525-6111 > (413) 525-2681 fax > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Aloha Print & Copy, LLC" > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:59:30 -0500 > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] FSC and the union bug > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Mike is so very right. We are a Union Print Shop and we have to have > a license to be able to even print the bug assigned to us. The bug > will tell you where it was printed and by what shop. Our bug is > legible even when at its smallest size you can loop it and see that > information. We've been told by our union: "Illegal use, > infringement, limitation and counterfeiting of registered trademarks > or labels is a criminal offense throughout the U.S. and Canada." > This is as serious as copyright and just like copyright the customer > will be gone while you hold the bag. The purpose of being Union is to > take care of the employees Health, Welfare and Retirement. Many > politicians seek Union printed material to show support for the > American way of life. If our current legislation thought more Union- > wise, we wouldn't have so many imported products. For example, how do > you (union shop or not) like losing prints jobs to the "over-the- > seas" internet printers. Usually we lose the job once and they get it > from where ever, and then they come back complaining about lack of > quality from the internet printer, as if we have control over a > company half way around the world. But even one job lost is bad. > Before we became Union we always honored the bug and never ran it > even when the customer said it was "OK" for he does not have the > authority. > Nancy Denney > Aloha Print & Copy, LLC > 212 McMenamy Road > St. Peters, MO 63376 > 636-397-8558 > www.aloha4print.com > > On Aug 7, 2008, at 2:10 PM, Mike@arborprinting.com wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> "Print it anway" doesn't mean diddley when the you know what hits >> the fan. We do not print the union bug under any circumstances. >> Putting the bug on peices and not being authorized to do so can >> lead to some serious problems. >> >> Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. >> 5100 Academy Dr., Ste 100 >> Lisle, IL 60532 >> 630-969-2277 >> www.arborprinting.com >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry" >> To: "Printowners" >> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 1:15 PM >> Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC and the union bug >> >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> The FSC stamp of approval reminds me of union printing we have done >> in the past. We have never been a union printer. When asked to >> print >> for unions, and I tell them we are not union, so, they supply us >> with the bug and say 'print it anyway, the union shop is way too >> slow'. We have one, maybe 2 union printers in town. >> >> Then there are politicians we know who pay for their large print >> order in cash, and don't want a reciept. One was on our school >> board, now he's >> in the US House of Reps. >> >> Point: this FSC is heavy handed, and while it may be well thought >> out, like many good business plans, this one ignored politics, >> corruption and..... >> wait a minute, maybe that's where they got their business plan to >> begin with. >> >> >> >> Larry Taylor >> Desert Pacific Printing >> Tucson, AZ >> 520-745-8004 >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cpc at clearnet.net Fri Aug 8 08:06:54 2008 From: cpc at clearnet.net (Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc.) Date: Fri Aug 8 08:07:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Duplo booklet maker question In-Reply-To: <094901c8f8c3$6e3aaf30$8302a8c0@Robbin> References: <094901c8f8c3$6e3aaf30$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: <489C36DE.9050306@clearnet.net> Susan Compton wrote: > When we are doing digital booklets, unless it is a very large > job, we just let the digital machine collate, then hand feed them into > the bookletmaker. Cover-book-boom, Cover-book-boom. What model Duplo bookletmaker are you using? Thanks, Randy Hurley Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 17 South Third Street P.O. Box 23 Clearfield, PA 16830 814-765-4731 Fax: 814-765-1380 cpc@clearnet.net From mark at cordesprinting.com Fri Aug 8 08:51:45 2008 From: mark at cordesprinting.com (Mark Cordes) Date: Fri Aug 8 08:46:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] NEED A PRINTED DOUBLE SIDED TAPE TO BE DROPPED ONTO A PRINTED PIECE In-Reply-To: <002c01c8f8de$66de6c20$349b4460$@com> References: <002c01c8f8de$66de6c20$349b4460$@com> Message-ID: <489C4161.1010507@cordesprinting.com> Michael -- We do taping but I am not aware of tape that can be custom printed with a message unless one is willing to buy a BOATLOAD of tape. But here is a thought for you: could you print the wording in small type directly above or below where the tape will be applied? Once the tape backer is removed and the card attached you won't see that printing until after the card is removed and at that point does it really matter? If that is acceptable than anyone who does taping can do that for you. I would be glad to look at the job but seeing I'm in NJ and you are in CA I'm sure you have local trade shops that can do it for you. Be sure to specify if you want a removable tape vs. permanent. Mark Mark Cordes Cordes Printing, Inc. 460 Braen Avenue Wyckoff, NJ 07481 201.652.7272 mark@cordesprinting.com www.cordesprinting.com Michael Wolf wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Small preprinted Peal & Seal tape - VENDOR WANTED! > > > > The TOP (removable visible side is printed) says "remove this tape to adhere > gift card" or similar > > Overall size of double tape is 1.3/4" x 1" high > > So that the user can simply peal and seal and then stick on the GIFT CARD to > the preprinted fold-over enclosure card > > > > > > Quantity of final pieces could be 50,000 to 150,000 > > > > DO YOU KNOW OF ANYONE (Vendor) WHO CAN PROVIDE THIS SERVICE > > > > Thanks > > Michael Wolf > > THE WOLF PRINTING COMPANY > > TEL: 714.491.0500 FAX: 714.491.7276 > > 1320 West Santa Ana Street, Anaheim, CA 92802 > > michael@wolfiesprint.com www.wolfiesprint.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From hal at pickimp.com Fri Aug 8 08:59:03 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Fri Aug 8 08:57:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC and the union bug and a great big DUH! References: <010d01c8f8c1$3ef131b0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <002d01c8f956$8dd4db20$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> The US can not make a decent auto, That's probably the most ignorant uninformed statement I've seen this year. I'll stack my Buick Lacrosse up against any car out there Jap, Korean, British or German. The MSM has had a 20 year love afffair with Jap carrs that closely reflects their love for Obama. I'll just stop now, but if you'd like take a little trip to Pong Politics I'll be glad to show you some real statistics from the home of the American auto industry. Hal From jdaghir at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 09:07:25 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Fri Aug 8 09:07:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] What do to about a deadbeat? In-Reply-To: References: <8CAC6EF28BB1E94-824-1117@FWM-M19.sysops.aol.com> <8CAC6F488685C99-824-136B@FWM-M19.sysops.aol.com> <200808080122.m781MBLU040981@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620808080607y5b76f093g3a08b727a7b7e225@mail.gmail.com> Not a good spot to be in, but I think Scott's advice still stands - tell the truth, nothing more and nothing less. Inform the school that the photographer no longer has a charge account with you and alternative payment arrangements for that portion of the job need to be made. And I know it's a lot easier to say this than it is to actually do it, but if someone filed for bankruptcy and stuck me for $3000 I don't think I would accept ANY further jobs from that individual even if they were cash up front, much less allow them to continue to charge jobs. A large customer that doesn't pay is a BAD customer and you don't want them. Finally I don't mean to be preachy but as a general rule we won't accept jobs where the payment will be split among different individuals or organizations. I want my payments to come from ONE source and that needs to be the individual or organization that placed the order. Anything else puts you on shaky ground if you have problems collecting payment. We periodically get requests for this, especially for collaborative maps/brochures from local merchants or the advertising place mats in restaurants. We learned the hard way how difficult it can be to chase down payments from 20 different business. We now politely decline jobs like that and instead suggest that they have all the checks made out to one entity and then that entity pay us for the entire job with a credit card. That way one person doesn't have to cough up a wad of cash for the entire job and we don't have to deal with 20 different checks. At the very least if you are going to accept jobs with split payments I would include an additional fee in the job to cover to cover the added administrative overhead and increased risk of non-payment that arises from dealing with multiple parties. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Vern said: > Thanks, but I should have connected the dots better. > > He filed bankruptcy, and beat me out of $3,000. > > Afterward, I continued to do business with him, but told him 30 days, no > more. From John at mpcny.com Fri Aug 8 09:17:02 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Fri Aug 8 09:17:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bug for download Message-ID: He is the eps of my bug so you can change (steal) it . This was done in illustrator. http://mpcny.com/dropbox/PC_Files/files/BUG.eps Sometimes I add color or reverse it. Enjoy I have never had a person complain. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From robin at protypeonline.com Fri Aug 8 09:17:58 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Fri Aug 8 09:18:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:NEED A PRINTED DOUBLE SIDED TAPE TO BE DROPPED Message-ID: <81198E77-40B5-4EA8-8859-730812E36575@protypeonline.com> Michael, we apply transfer tape to printed sheets all day every day. We have two machines, both MGL taping machines. We can apply permanent or removable tape in a variety of widths. The printing on the liner is red for permanent and blue for removable. I'm sure I could order some tape with a custom printed liner but as you and I would both know, it would be incredibly pricey and the tape is already pretty pricey! Why not consider printing the message directly below where the tape is applied and when the gift card is attached, the instruction line would be covered? If you need a source for taping and/or printing the sheets, contact lisa@protypeonline.com . Good Luck robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From Susan at cdandp.net Fri Aug 8 10:25:47 2008 From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton) Date: Fri Aug 8 10:27:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Duplo booklet maker question References: <094901c8f8c3$6e3aaf30$8302a8c0@Robbin> <489C36DE.9050306@clearnet.net> Message-ID: <0aac01c8f962$a687d490$8302a8c0@Robbin> Dear Randy, We have the DBM2000. We started off with the bookletmaker and the face trimmer because, in the building I was in at the time, I didn't have room for the collator. So, for a while, we did all booklets by collating (or have digital collate) and putting books in the "slot." We have since moved to a bigger building, and I purchased a 10-bin air-fed collator, but for less than 100 books, it isn't worth the trouble of setting it up. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc." To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Duplo booklet maker question > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Susan Compton wrote: > >> When we are doing digital booklets, unless it is a very large job, >> we just let the digital machine collate, then hand feed them into the >> bookletmaker. Cover-book-boom, Cover-book-boom. > > > What model Duplo bookletmaker are you using? > > Thanks, > > Randy Hurley > Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. > 17 South Third Street > P.O. Box 23 > Clearfield, PA 16830 > 814-765-4731 > Fax: 814-765-1380 > cpc@clearnet.net > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3340 (20080808) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From files at aloha4print.com Fri Aug 8 10:41:02 2008 From: files at aloha4print.com (Aloha Print & Copy, LLC) Date: Fri Aug 8 10:35:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:the union bug In-Reply-To: <20080807.182046.11863.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080807.182046.11863.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: When I said "over-the-seas" internet printers, I meant like the Philippines, not the water between Maine and Atlas Printing in Mass. As for you being a son of a former Machinists Union District Business Agent, I was a daughter of a Machinists No. 9 and a granddaughter of a Billposter No. 5 however that will not get me jobs. Our shop wasn't Union in the beginning because we didn't want to put a Mom and Pop shop located around the corner, out of business. When they closed up shop, due to illness, we then became Union. Our reputation was already established as hard, honesty working printers. I really wonder about the printers on this list that want to mock the Union with fake bugs. It's like buying a knock off. You should be proud of your work with or without the bug, but you shouldn't be using it just to get jobs. Hold your head up high when you produce a job, don't hide behind a symbol that doesn't belong to you. Nancy Denney Aloha Print & Copy, LLC www.aloha4print.com On Aug 7, 2008, at 10:20 PM, bnjbriggs@juno.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Nancy, > Not to doubt you but. I local politician running for the state > Senate had the Bug on all is campaign stuff, and under a loop, it > was from a place in Mass. called Atlas Printing. With a number of > Union shops in Maine he had it printed out of state. There was even > another state senator that co-owned a union shop with her husband, > & he even had his stuff done at a union shop out of state. I even > called a another politician to task for not useing union shops. He > was the president of the local paper mills Machinist's Union's > local. I am the son of a former Machinists Union District Business > Agent, and he didn't even use my shop. He said that he didn't know > about me, or that he even should use a union shop. > > > Bob Briggs, Evangel Printers, Bucksport, ME > > > From files at aloha4print.com Thu Aug 7 23:52:35 2008 From: files at aloha4print.com (Aloha Print & Copy, LLC) Date: Fri Aug 8 10:35:31 2008 Subject: Going OFF [PrintOwners] FSC and the union bug In-Reply-To: References: <010d01c8f8c1$3ef131b0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <5658F508-E66F-40D2-B573-39A67F73313B@aloha4print.com> Unions will NOT be the final death of this country, it will be GREED. You look at the auto industry, the US has made the 5 working vehicles in my driveway with the oldest one from 1983, oh yes a GM product. However, I can't agree more about the presidential candidates not being a choice, but we can't really expect an intelligent person wanting the position of President, since the country is so messed up. As far as the lawyers are concerned, as long as they keep getting into politics that arena will remain corrupted with the motto "GREED", hello can you say lobbyist. Funny when I worked for McDonnell Douglas that type of activity was called kick-backs and not allowed. The government does it and suddenly it becomes legal. Nancy Denney Aloha Print & Copy, LLC www.aloha4print.com On Aug 7, 2008, at 8:47 PM, Eric Mance wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > As if we need another reason but Unions will be the final death of > this > country. Look at the auto industry, GM is in horrible shape. The US > can not > make a decent auto, to many lawyers and not enough people that give > a dam. > This country will be in rough shape in the next 5 to 10 years. The > US needs > to understand that it doesn't control the world...A major change is > needed > in the outlook that Americans have with their place in this world. > War is > not he way to a peaceful resolve. The looming elections bring on a > time of > contiplation. I can't say that I'm for either of the canidates but, > our > choices are limited to the people that spend the most to play the > current > game. Neither one of them have a clear plan to help most of us. Our > taxes > will go up. The current defficit is rediculous. Someone needs to > bring a > little bit of reality back to the running of our country. It's been > a long > time since we've seen a positive reaction from our (leaders.) > > Eric Mance > Priority Press > (413) 525-6111 > (413) 525-2681 fax > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Aloha Print & Copy, LLC" > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:59:30 -0500 > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] FSC and the union bug > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Mike is so very right. We are a Union Print Shop and we have to have > a license to be able to even print the bug assigned to us. The bug > will tell you where it was printed and by what shop. Our bug is > legible even when at its smallest size you can loop it and see that > information. We've been told by our union: "Illegal use, > infringement, limitation and counterfeiting of registered trademarks > or labels is a criminal offense throughout the U.S. and Canada." > This is as serious as copyright and just like copyright the customer > will be gone while you hold the bag. The purpose of being Union is to > take care of the employees Health, Welfare and Retirement. Many > politicians seek Union printed material to show support for the > American way of life. If our current legislation thought more Union- > wise, we wouldn't have so many imported products. For example, how do > you (union shop or not) like losing prints jobs to the "over-the- > seas" internet printers. Usually we lose the job once and they get it > from where ever, and then they come back complaining about lack of > quality from the internet printer, as if we have control over a > company half way around the world. But even one job lost is bad. > Before we became Union we always honored the bug and never ran it > even when the customer said it was "OK" for he does not have the > authority. > Nancy Denney > Aloha Print & Copy, LLC From cpc at clearnet.net Fri Aug 8 10:37:33 2008 From: cpc at clearnet.net (Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc.) Date: Fri Aug 8 10:38:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Duplo booklet maker question In-Reply-To: <0aac01c8f962$a687d490$8302a8c0@Robbin> References: <094901c8f8c3$6e3aaf30$8302a8c0@Robbin> <489C36DE.9050306@clearnet.net> <0aac01c8f962$a687d490$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: <489C5A2D.8030204@clearnet.net> Susan, Thank you for taking the time to share that info! Susan Compton wrote: > We have the DBM2000. We started off with the bookletmaker and the > face trimmer because, in the building I was in at the time, I didn't > have room for the collator. So, for a while, we did all booklets by > collating (or have digital collate) and putting books in the "slot." > We have since moved to a bigger building, and I purchased a 10-bin > air-fed collator, but for less than 100 books, it isn't worth the > trouble of setting it up. Randy Hurley Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 17 South Third Street P.O. Box 23 Clearfield, PA 16830 814-765-4731 Fax: 814-765-1380 cpc@clearnet.net From sos at olympus.net Fri Aug 8 11:24:13 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Aug 8 11:24:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Duplo booklet maker question References: <094901c8f8c3$6e3aaf30$8302a8c0@Robbin> <489C36DE.9050306@clearnet.net> Message-ID: <018e01c8f96a$d0ac6df0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > What model Duplo bookletmaker are you using? ================== And we have the DBM250 with DT250 trimmer and 10000s towers (two). About nine years old. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From sos at olympus.net Fri Aug 8 11:35:52 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Aug 8 11:36:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:the union bug References: <20080807.182046.11863.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <01a901c8f96c$711adff0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> You should be proud of > your work with or without the bug, but you shouldn't be using it just to > get jobs. Hold your head up high when you produce a job, don't hide > behind a symbol that doesn't belong to you. ====================== If a union shop can have a bug, an independent shop can have a bug. What's the problem? As I mentioned, I often use many little bugs, Recycle symbol, FSC symbol, Soy ink symbol, and a printed locally symbol. I would never use a union symbol, by the way I'm a past member of the Pulp and Paper Workers union. No one ever said anything about using a symbol that didn't belong to them. The union uses their bug "just to get jobs". Why else would politicians deal with them? I use mine to inform people that the job was printed locally. It's always frustrating this time of year, as mailing after mailing from politicians come in, and we didn't even get to bid on them. They are just sent out of town to a union shop. How is that fair? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From files at aloha4print.com Fri Aug 8 12:41:22 2008 From: files at aloha4print.com (Aloha Print & Copy, LLC) Date: Fri Aug 8 12:35:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:the union bug In-Reply-To: <01a901c8f96c$711adff0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <20080807.182046.11863.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> <01a901c8f96c$711adff0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <443BAF59-F449-4630-A0D7-7A3433FD6AEA@aloha4print.com> Dan, you said: > > If a union shop can have a bug, an independent shop can have a > bug. What's the problem? As I mentioned, I often use many little > bugs, Recycle symbol, FSC symbol, Soy ink symbol, and a printed > locally symbol. Did you pay the $2,000 whatever fee to use the FSC symbol that everyone is talking about? And if you did, how angry would it make you to find out your competition is just using it for free and not playing by the rules? Just to get a job? You said: > I would never use a union symbol, by the way I'm a past member of > the Pulp and Paper Workers union. No one ever said anything about > using a symbol that didn't belong to them. "Yes, someone did say they used a bug that was brought to them, check out Larry Taylor's email dated August 7, 2008 1:15:52 PM CDT: Here's what Larry said: "The FSC stamp of approval reminds me of union printing we have done in the past. We have never been a union printer. When asked to print for unions, and I tell them we are not union, so, they supply us with the bug and say 'print it anyway, the union shop is way too slow'. We have one, maybe 2 union printers in town." This is so against the law! Dan, you said: > The union uses their bug "just to get jobs". Why else would > politicians deal with them? > I use mine to inform people that the job was printed locally. > It's always frustrating this time of year, as mailing after mailing > from politicians come in, and we didn't even get to bid on them. > They are just sent out of town to a union shop. How is that fair? I hate to tell you politicians came in our door since the day we started and as I said we were not a Union shop then. We started out as a LAZERQUICK, I'm sure you've heard of that name in your part of the country. Well our area never did and we were using their prices, talk about unfair. And politicians deal with us because we deal with them. Not all of our politician customers want the bug, they just know we're accurate and fair. THAT'S WHY THEY DEAL WITH US! > > > Nancy Denney Aloha Print & Copy, LLC www.aloha4print.com From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Fri Aug 8 12:47:28 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Fri Aug 8 12:47:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bug legality Message-ID: I had no idea that printing the union bug was an illegal act on my part. The union organizers supplied the bug and the artwork, I just assumed they knew no laws were being broken, other than possibly ethical issues. I have never read or tried to find any info on this subject. I don't know if the politcal printing we do w/the bug has been approved by the candidate's election committee or not. AZ is a right to work state, this doesn't come up too often. I'll have to make a quick call to an atty to see what our risk is. I believe making someone pay to work is absolutely un-American. (I've just placed a target on my back so fire away). Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Fri Aug 8 12:53:55 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Fri Aug 8 12:54:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:the union bug In-Reply-To: <443BAF59-F449-4630-A0D7-7A3433FD6AEA@aloha4print.com> References: <20080807.182046.11863.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com><01a901c8f96c$711adff0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <443BAF59-F449-4630-A0D7-7A3433FD6AEA@aloha4print.com> Message-ID: <012b01c8f977$5a425460$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Nancy I'd be interested in knowing why you decided to unionize. Most printers seem strongly opposed to the idea. Thanks. Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc Toronto I hate to tell you politicians came in our door since the day we started and as I said we were not a Union shop then. We started out as a LAZERQUICK, I'm sure you've heard of that name in your part of the country. Well our area never did and we were using their prices, talk about unfair. And politicians deal with us because we deal with them. Not all of our politician customers want the bug, they just know we're accurate and fair. THAT'S WHY THEY DEAL WITH US! > > > Nancy Denney Aloha Print & Copy, LLC www.aloha4print.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Fri Aug 8 13:24:46 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Fri Aug 8 13:24:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] fake bugs In-Reply-To: <20080808163548.89759101D0B7@rb.enter.net> References: <20080808163548.89759101D0B7@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <4A0A1ACC2C0845AD8C46EC3E8F9CF40F@Leo4allPC> "I really wonder about the printers on this list that want to mock the Union with fake bugs. It's like buying a knock off. You should be proud of your work with or without the bug, but you shouldn't be using it just to get jobs. Hold your head up high when you produce a job, don't hide behind a symbol that doesn't belong to you." Nancy Denney I do not mock it; in fact I resent the view. I really have problems with politicos who print out of the area, just to have the bug when they do not even support unions. Then they ask for my vote and to donate. In my case 100% the work would be done out of county, district and mostly out of state. I am proud to print my bug with USA and the county I am in. No law says a union is the only place that may have bug. Unions pressured them into wanting the bug, even in the case where the money left the area and printing was of poor quality and service was lacking. I never tell them it is union it is MY bug. If you want to make the case in the press or on the campaign that you spend money out of the area so be it. Most will pick a local printer every time. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From sos at olympus.net Fri Aug 8 13:26:27 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Aug 8 13:26:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:the union bug References: <20080807.182046.11863.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com><01a901c8f96c$711adff0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <443BAF59-F449-4630-A0D7-7A3433FD6AEA@aloha4print.com> Message-ID: <028401c8f97b$e3e44260$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aloha Print & Copy, LLC" > Did you pay the $2,000 whatever fee to use the FSC symbol that everyone > is talking about? ====================== Yes, I did. And yes, I'd be a little upset if people were using it without the proper permissions. > You said: >> I would never use a union symbol, by the way I'm a past member of the >> Pulp and Paper Workers union. No one ever said anything about using a >> symbol that didn't belong to them. > > "Yes, someone did say they used a bug that was brought to them, check out > Larry Taylor's email dated August 7, 2008 1:15:52 PM CDT: ======================== Oh yeah, I missed that. But the main thrust of the disscussion was not about that. It was about using a symbol that looks somewhat similar but denotes that the piece was printed locally, which I think is a great idea. We started out > as a LAZERQUICK, I'm sure you've heard of that name in your part of the > country. ======================= Yes, one of my current employees used to work at Lazerquick in Oregon. Well our area never did and we were using their prices, > talk about unfair. ========================= I don't understand what that means. And politicians deal with us because we deal with > them. Not all of our politician customers want the bug, they just know > we're accurate and fair. THAT'S WHY THEY DEAL WITH US! ================== So what's the point? Why be union if it doesn't bring in political jobs? [Just kidding] I'm sure you have reasons, you seem to feel strongly about it. Interesting discussion. Thanks for sharing. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From files at aloha4print.com Fri Aug 8 13:33:59 2008 From: files at aloha4print.com (Aloha Print & Copy, LLC) Date: Fri Aug 8 13:28:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:the union bug In-Reply-To: <012b01c8f977$5a425460$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> References: <20080807.182046.11863.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com><01a901c8f96c$711adff0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <443BAF59-F449-4630-A0D7-7A3433FD6AEA@aloha4print.com> <012b01c8f977$5a425460$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: <8B3F1B92-600A-49E1-83B6-88866C9C2078@aloha4print.com> Gordon, I was brought up in a Union family. The Union to me, represents a force that stands up to Greedy corporations that want to pay low wages without benefits. Now I'm NOT saying that any of the printers that aren't Union don't treat their people well, however, with the Union we have gotten better and lower insurance rates, we now have a pension plan, and other benefits. But the mere fact of starting a printing business without any support, which in the beginning was our franchise, just seems overwhelming. Not to mention the daily headaches like a new Fuel Surcharge on a maintenance agreement. The Unions brought better working conditions to the work place. I am the owner of the print shop, so the dollars are always something to look at, and in my case - it just made sense. (We're printers let's face it, It just made CENTS) The Union is not for every printer and I respect that. We all just make our money one click or pull at a time, and printers know it's not easy. And it seems that every customer wants you to be the one he can save money with and every thing else, he understands why gas increased, why utilities increase but we pay them too. Us printers are a hardy breed - Union or not. Nancy Denney Aloha Print & Copy, LLC www.aloha4print.com On Aug 8, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Gordon Watt wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Nancy > > I'd be interested in knowing why you decided to unionize. Most > printers seem strongly opposed to the idea. > > Thanks. > > Gordon Watt > Xoxo Cyberprint Inc > Toronto > > > > I hate to tell you politicians came in our door since the day we > started and as I said we were not a Union shop then. We started out > as a LAZERQUICK, I'm sure you've heard of that name in your part of > the country. Well our area never did and we were using their prices, > talk about unfair. And politicians deal with us because we deal with > them. Not all of our politician customers want the bug, they just > know we're accurate and fair. THAT'S WHY THEY DEAL WITH US! > > >> >> >> >> > > Nancy Denney > Aloha Print & Copy, LLC > www.aloha4print.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From jacemeister at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 13:38:52 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Fri Aug 8 13:38:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Revised!!!! Numbers to Words in Excel In-Reply-To: References: <032e01c8f8c5$2b1f5aa0$6501a8c0@GeorgeHome> Message-ID: A huge thanks to everyone who sent suggestions to my problem. I tried most of the suggestions and they did not work, but George Croft sent this to me privately and it worked with a little tweaking. The only problem I had was it added "Dollars and No Cents" to the total number but I did a "search and replace" and simply replaced those words with nothing it is ready to go. Thanks again to all and especially to George! See below for details. Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com To convert Numbers to Words in Excel, do this: 1. Open any spreadsheet. 2. Click Tools>Macros>Visual Basic Editor Once in VB Editor: 3. (on top bar of VBE) Click Insert>Module In the new text box that pops up, 4. paste all the code below. 5. Press Alt+Q to save This creates a new User Defined Excel function. To use it, simply enter =SpellNumber(x) where x can be a number or a referenced cell. =Spellnumber(355.55) or =spellnumber(a7) Code is below: Option Explicit '**************** ' Main Function * '**************** Function SpellNumber(ByVal MyNumber) Dim Dollars, Cents, Temp Dim DecimalPlace, Count ReDim Place(9) As String Place(2) = " Thousand " Place(3) = " Million " Place(4) = " Billion " Place(5) = " Trillion " ' String representation of amount MyNumber = Trim(Str(MyNumber)) ' Position of decimal place 0 if none DecimalPlace = InStr(MyNumber, ".") 'Convert cents and set MyNumber to dollar amount If DecimalPlace > 0 Then Cents = GetTens(Left(Mid(MyNumber, DecimalPlace + 1) & "00", 2)) MyNumber = Trim(Left(MyNumber, DecimalPlace - 1)) End If Count = 1 Do While MyNumber <> "" Temp = GetHundreds(Right(MyNumber, 3)) If Temp <> "" Then Dollars = Temp & Place(Count) & Dollars If Len(MyNumber) > 3 Then MyNumber = Left(MyNumber, Len(MyNumber) - 3) Else MyNumber = "" End If Count = Count + 1 Loop Select Case Dollars Case "" Dollars = "No Dollars" Case "One" Dollars = "One Dollar" Case Else Dollars = Dollars & " Dollars" End Select Select Case Cents Case "" Cents = " and No Cents" Case "One" Cents = " and One Cent" Case Else Cents = " and " & Cents & " Cents" End Select SpellNumber = Dollars & Cents End Function '******************************************* ' Converts a number from 100-999 into text * '******************************************* Function GetHundreds(ByVal MyNumber) Dim Result As String If Val(MyNumber) = 0 Then Exit Function MyNumber = Right("000" & MyNumber, 3) 'Convert the hundreds place If Mid(MyNumber, 1, 1) <> "0" Then Result = GetDigit(Mid(MyNumber, 1, 1)) & " Hundred " End If 'Convert the tens and ones place If Mid(MyNumber, 2, 1) <> "0" Then Result = Result & GetTens(Mid(MyNumber, 2)) Else Result = Result & GetDigit(Mid(MyNumber, 3)) End If GetHundreds = Result End Function '********************************************* ' Converts a number from 10 to 99 into text. * '********************************************* Function GetTens(TensText) Dim Result As String Result = "" 'null out the temporary function value If Val(Left(TensText, 1)) = 1 Then ' If value between 10-19 Select Case Val(TensText) Case 10: Result = "Ten" Case 11: Result = "Eleven" Case 12: Result = "Twelve" Case 13: Result = "Thirteen" Case 14: Result = "Fourteen" Case 15: Result = "Fifteen" Case 16: Result = "Sixteen" Case 17: Result = "Seventeen" Case 18: Result = "Eighteen" Case 19: Result = "Nineteen" Case Else End Select Else ' If value between 20-99 Select Case Val(Left(TensText, 1)) Case 2: Result = "Twenty " Case 3: Result = "Thirty " Case 4: Result = "Forty " Case 5: Result = "Fifty " Case 6: Result = "Sixty " Case 7: Result = "Seventy " Case 8: Result = "Eighty " Case 9: Result = "Ninety " Case Else End Select Result = Result & GetDigit _ (Right(TensText, 1)) 'Retrieve ones place End If GetTens = Result End Function '******************************************* ' Converts a number from 1 to 9 into text. * '******************************************* Function GetDigit(Digit) Select Case Val(Digit) Case 1: GetDigit = "One" Case 2: GetDigit = "Two" Case 3: GetDigit = "Three" Case 4: GetDigit = "Four" Case 5: GetDigit = "Five" Case 6: GetDigit = "Six" Case 7: GetDigit = "Seven" Case 8: GetDigit = "Eight" Case 9: GetDigit = "Nine" Case Else: GetDigit = "" End Select End Function George Croft The Print Shoppe, Inc. Dallas, Texas From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Aug 8 15:02:40 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Aug 8 15:04:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unions In-Reply-To: <8B3F1B92-600A-49E1-83B6-88866C9C2078@aloha4print.com> References: <20080807.182046.11863.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> <01a901c8f96c$711adff0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <443BAF59-F449-4630-A0D7-7A3433FD6AEA@aloha4print.com> <012b01c8f977$5a425460$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> <8B3F1B92-600A-49E1-83B6-88866C9C2078@aloha4print.com> Message-ID: <200808081904.m78J4ESX098411@i2bnetworks.com> I don't think corporations are greedy, I think corporations act in the best interests of their shareholders, and if you hold stock equities...that be you. I cry no tears for someone who shows up to work day after day, year after year with no interest in improving their lot in life, expecting constant raises just for showing up and breathing. Look at the segments of this economy that are heavily unionized and the results speak for themselves (American car companies, Airlines, State and Local government) Poor balance sheets, many on the verge of bankruptcy (except for government of course...they'll just print more) Unions had a place at the turn of the last century where there were abuses and rampant disregard for the safety and well being of their employees, But not so at the turn of this century, where communication is instant and everywhere, and we now compete in a global marketplace. People have more choice over their destinies than any time in history. Ask someone who works for Apple or a Toyota plant in the US, or even Wal Mart if they want to unionize and see what answer you get. I think these days Unions are not concerned with anyone's welfare except their own. Workers are a means to an end...and the endgame is the absolute accumulation of Power. S. At 10:33 AM 8/8/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Gordon, > I was brought up in a Union family. The Union to me, represents >a force that stands up to Greedy corporations that want to pay low >wages without benefits. Now I'm NOT saying that any of the printers >that aren't Union don't treat their people well, however, with the >Union we have gotten better and lower insurance rates, we now have a >pension plan, and other benefits. But the mere fact of starting a >printing business without any support, which in the beginning was our >franchise, just seems overwhelming. Not to mention the daily >headaches like a new Fuel Surcharge on a maintenance agreement. The >Unions brought better working conditions to the work place. I am the >owner of the print shop, so the dollars are always something to look >at, and in my case - it just made sense. (We're printers let's face >it, It just made CENTS) The Union is not for every printer and I >respect that. We all just make our money one click or pull at a time, >and printers know it's not easy. And it seems that every customer >wants you to be the one he can save money with and every thing else, >he understands why gas increased, why utilities increase but we pay >them too. Us printers are a hardy breed - Union or not. > >Nancy Denney >Aloha Print & Copy, LLC >www.aloha4print.com > >On Aug 8, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Gordon Watt wrote: > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> >>Nancy >> >> I'd be interested in knowing why you decided to unionize. Most >>printers seem strongly opposed to the idea. >> >> Thanks. >> >>Gordon Watt >>Xoxo Cyberprint Inc >>Toronto >> >> >> >>I hate to tell you politicians came in our door since the day we >>started and as I said we were not a Union shop then. We started out >>as a LAZERQUICK, I'm sure you've heard of that name in your part of >>the country. Well our area never did and we were using their prices, >>talk about unfair. And politicians deal with us because we deal with >>them. Not all of our politician customers want the bug, they just >>know we're accurate and fair. THAT'S WHY THEY DEAL WITH US! >> >> >>> >>> >>> >> >>Nancy Denney >>Aloha Print & Copy, LLC >>www.aloha4print.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3340 (20080808) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From bob at rjmprinting.com Fri Aug 8 15:17:44 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Fri Aug 8 15:17:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unions In-Reply-To: <200808081904.m78J4ESX098411@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: Great post Scott. I worked at a division of Moore Business Forms back in the 80's, the division had union and non-union plants. The non-union plants were consistently more profitable and had a higher SPE then the union plants. When the division started cutting back the union plants were the 1st to go. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 2:03 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Unions ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I don't think corporations are greedy, I think corporations act in the best interests of their shareholders, and if you hold stock equities...that be you. I cry no tears for someone who shows up to work day after day, year after year with no interest in improving their lot in life, expecting constant raises just for showing up and breathing. Look at the segments of this economy that are heavily unionized and the results speak for themselves (American car companies, Airlines, State and Local government) Poor balance sheets, many on the verge of bankruptcy (except for government of course...they'll just print more) Unions had a place at the turn of the last century where there were abuses and rampant disregard for the safety and well being of their employees, But not so at the turn of this century, where communication is instant and everywhere, and we now compete in a global marketplace. People have more choice over their destinies than any time in history. Ask someone who works for Apple or a Toyota plant in the US, or even Wal Mart if they want to unionize and see what answer you get. I think these days Unions are not concerned with anyone's welfare except their own. Workers are a means to an end...and the endgame is the absolute accumulation of Power. S. At 10:33 AM 8/8/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Gordon, > I was brought up in a Union family. The Union to me, represents >a force that stands up to Greedy corporations that want to pay low >wages without benefits. Now I'm NOT saying that any of the printers >that aren't Union don't treat their people well, however, with the >Union we have gotten better and lower insurance rates, we now have a >pension plan, and other benefits. But the mere fact of starting a >printing business without any support, which in the beginning was our >franchise, just seems overwhelming. Not to mention the daily >headaches like a new Fuel Surcharge on a maintenance agreement. The >Unions brought better working conditions to the work place. I am the >owner of the print shop, so the dollars are always something to look >at, and in my case - it just made sense. (We're printers let's face >it, It just made CENTS) The Union is not for every printer and I >respect that. We all just make our money one click or pull at a time, >and printers know it's not easy. And it seems that every customer >wants you to be the one he can save money with and every thing else, >he understands why gas increased, why utilities increase but we pay >them too. Us printers are a hardy breed - Union or not. > >Nancy Denney >Aloha Print & Copy, LLC >www.aloha4print.com > >On Aug 8, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Gordon Watt wrote: > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> >>Nancy >> >> I'd be interested in knowing why you decided to unionize. Most >>printers seem strongly opposed to the idea. >> >> Thanks. >> >>Gordon Watt >>Xoxo Cyberprint Inc >>Toronto >> >> >> >>I hate to tell you politicians came in our door since the day we >>started and as I said we were not a Union shop then. We started out >>as a LAZERQUICK, I'm sure you've heard of that name in your part of >>the country. Well our area never did and we were using their prices, >>talk about unfair. And politicians deal with us because we deal with >>them. Not all of our politician customers want the bug, they just >>know we're accurate and fair. THAT'S WHY THEY DEAL WITH US! >> >> >>> >>> >>> >> >>Nancy Denney >>Aloha Print & Copy, LLC >>www.aloha4print.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3340 (20080808) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kathy at mpcny.com Fri Aug 8 15:24:00 2008 From: kathy at mpcny.com (Kathy Henry) Date: Fri Aug 8 15:24:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unions OFF In-Reply-To: <200808081904.m78J4ESX098411@i2bnetworks.com> References: <20080807.182046.11863.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> <01a901c8f96c$711adff0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <443BAF59-F449-4630-A0D7-7A3433FD6AEA@aloha4print.com> <012b01c8f977$5a425460$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> <8B3F1B92-600A-49E1-83B6-88866C9C2078@aloha4print.com> <200808081904.m78J4ESX098411@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <027c01c8f98c$4f971c20$eec55460$@com> Locally in the Syracuse, NY market, we have had two heavily unionized companies, Carrier who made air conditioning systems and New Process Gear who makes power trains for SUV's through parent company, Magna, tried to negotiate with their unions to save the plants. In the case of Carrier, the union refused concessions and the plant closed within 1 year, with a loss of 6,000 jobs. Presently, Magna went down from 6,000 to 3,500 and just laid off another 1,500, and begged for further concessions from the union, but it looks like they are turning down the offer as well, and that plant will be closed. Just three years ago at the height of the SUV craze, Magna paid bonuses of between $16,000 and $30,000 to all workers. Those workers have their bonuses negotiated by the union, but now, not their jobs. That adds up to almost 12,000 jobs lost in the past three years in Syracuse by only two unionized companies. Buffalo, NY was named one of the top ten dying cities in the US, and is one of the most heavily unionized. I am sorry, but I would rather have a job than a union negotiating me out of one. JMO. Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower." Steve Jobs 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) 270.6.0/1601 - Release Date: 8/8/2008 9:02 AM From joy at libertyprintgreen.com Fri Aug 8 16:24:16 2008 From: joy at libertyprintgreen.com (Joy Downing) Date: Fri Aug 8 15:27:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unions In-Reply-To: <200808081904.m78J4ESX098411@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <04e501c8f994$bb338150$1401a8c0@JOY2> Good post. Joy Downing Liberty 3021 Nashville Road Bowling Green, KY 42101 270-782-7829 LibertyPrintGreen.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 1:03 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Unions ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I don't think corporations are greedy, I think corporations act in the best interests of their shareholders, and if you hold stock equities...that be you. I cry no tears for someone who shows up to work day after day, year after year with no interest in improving their lot in life, expecting constant raises just for showing up and breathing. Look at the segments of this economy that are heavily unionized and the results speak for themselves (American car companies, Airlines, State and Local government) Poor balance sheets, many on the verge of bankruptcy (except for government of course...they'll just print more) Unions had a place at the turn of the last century where there were abuses and rampant disregard for the safety and well being of their employees, But not so at the turn of this century, where communication is instant and everywhere, and we now compete in a global marketplace. People have more choice over their destinies than any time in history. Ask someone who works for Apple or a Toyota plant in the US, or even Wal Mart if they want to unionize and see what answer you get. I think these days Unions are not concerned with anyone's welfare except their own. Workers are a means to an end...and the endgame is the absolute accumulation of Power. S. At 10:33 AM 8/8/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Gordon, > I was brought up in a Union family. The Union to me, represents a >force that stands up to Greedy corporations that want to pay low wages >without benefits. Now I'm NOT saying that any of the printers that >aren't Union don't treat their people well, however, with the Union we >have gotten better and lower insurance rates, we now have a pension >plan, and other benefits. But the mere fact of starting a printing >business without any support, which in the beginning was our franchise, >just seems overwhelming. Not to mention the daily headaches like a new >Fuel Surcharge on a maintenance agreement. The Unions brought better >working conditions to the work place. I am the owner of the print shop, >so the dollars are always something to look at, and in my case - it >just made sense. (We're printers let's face it, It just made CENTS) The >Union is not for every printer and I respect that. We all just make our >money one click or pull at a time, and printers know it's not easy. And >it seems that every customer wants you to be the one he can save money >with and every thing else, he understands why gas increased, why >utilities increase but we pay them too. Us printers are a hardy breed - >Union or not. > >Nancy Denney >Aloha Print & Copy, LLC >www.aloha4print.com > >On Aug 8, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Gordon Watt wrote: > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> >>Nancy >> >> I'd be interested in knowing why you decided to unionize. Most >>printers seem strongly opposed to the idea. >> >> Thanks. >> >>Gordon Watt >>Xoxo Cyberprint Inc >>Toronto >> >> >> >>I hate to tell you politicians came in our door since the day we >>started and as I said we were not a Union shop then. We started out as >>a LAZERQUICK, I'm sure you've heard of that name in your part of the >>country. Well our area never did and we were using their prices, talk >>about unfair. And politicians deal with us because we deal with them. >>Not all of our politician customers want the bug, they just know we're >>accurate and fair. THAT'S WHY THEY DEAL WITH US! >> >> >>> >>> >>> >> >>Nancy Denney >>Aloha Print & Copy, LLC >>www.aloha4print.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3340 (20080808) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From steveprint at aol.com Fri Aug 8 03:38:45 2008 From: steveprint at aol.com (StevePrint) Date: Fri Aug 8 15:38:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Phone Address for Allen Mugs ASI #34330 Message-ID: <8e6c8a3f.1ab5.4464.8061.5a065a673622@aol.com> Please advise telephone / contact info for Allen Mugs ASI #34330 Thanks, Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting From tomk at kingprintingonline.com Fri Aug 8 15:45:50 2008 From: tomk at kingprintingonline.com (Tom King) Date: Fri Aug 8 15:46:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bug legality In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000a01c8f98f$5c2aaf80$14800e80$@com> Larry said: I'll have to make a quick call to an atty to see what our risk is. ----- It would seem to me, and I'm only half kidding, that the most serious risk would be a Molotov cocktail thrown through the front window of your shop by a loyal union worker. Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Fri Aug 8 16:00:20 2008 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Fri Aug 8 16:00:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Phone Address for Allen Mugs ASI #34330 References: <8e6c8a3f.1ab5.4464.8061.5a065a673622@aol.com> Message-ID: <83A7EDE0A48247F1B77434C45698B7D7@Nancy> Allen Mugs 712 East Main St. PO Box 217 Blanchester, OH 45107 800-783-2491 I usually deal with Mary Ann Nice company to deal with. In Small town America. Local employees. Middle of SW Ohio Farm Country. I live in the next town. Nan Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting ----- Original Message ----- From: "StevePrint" To: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 3:38 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Phone Address for Allen Mugs ASI #34330 > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Please advise telephone / contact info for Allen Mugs ASI #34330 > Thanks, > > Steve Salstrom > Bay Business Printing > 1521 Cornwall Ave. > Bellingham, WA 98225 > 360-671-2997 > www.iorderprinting.com > Ideas & Solutions > http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From copythatnyc at aol.com Fri Aug 8 16:08:59 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Fri Aug 8 16:09:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unions In-Reply-To: <200808081904.m78J4ESX098411@i2bnetworks.com> References: <20080807.182046.11863.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> <01a901c8f96c$711adff0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <443BAF59-F449-4630-A0D7-7A3433FD6AEA@aloha4print.com> <012b01c8f977$5a425460$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> <8B3F1B92-600A-49E1-83B6-88866C9C2078@aloha4print.com> <200808081904.m78J4ESX098411@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <8CAC7A9BAE4F22F-694-1AF2@mblk-d17.sysops.aol.com> Well Said!!!!!!!!!!!!! Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Cappel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 3:02 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] Unions ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? I don't think corporations are greedy, I think corporations act in the best interests of their shareholders, and if you hold stock equities...that be you.? ? I cry no tears for someone who shows up to work day after day, year after year with no interest in improving their lot in life, expecting constant raises just for showing up and breathing.? ? Look at the segments of this economy that are heavily unionized and the results speak for themselves (American car companies, Airlines, State and Local government)? ? Poor balance sheets, many on the verge of bankruptcy (except for government of course...they'll just print more)? ? Unions had a place at the turn of the last century where there were abuses and rampant disregard for the safety and well being of their employees,? ? But not so at the turn of this century, where communication is instant and everywhere, and we now compete in a global marketplace.? ?0D People have more choice over their destinies than any time in history.? ? Ask someone who works for Apple or a Toyota plant in the US, or even Wal Mart if they want to unionize and see what answer you get.? ? I think these days Unions are not concerned with anyone's welfare except their own.? ? Workers are a means to an end...and the endgame is the absolute accumulation of Power.? ? S.? ? At 10:33 AM 8/8/2008, you wrote:? >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? >Gordon,? > I was brought up in a Union family. The Union to me, represents? >a force that stands up to Greedy corporations that want to pay low? >wages without benefits. Now I'm NOT saying that any of the printers? >that aren't Union don't treat their people well, however, with the? >Union we have gotten better and lower insurance rates, we now have a? >pension plan, and other benefits. But the mere fact of starting a? >printing business without any support, which in the beginning was our? >franchise, just seems overwhelming. Not to mention the daily? >headaches like a new Fuel Surcharge on a maintenance agreement. The? >Unions brought better working conditions to the work place. I am the? >owner of the print shop, so the dollars are always something to look? >at, and in my case - it just made sense. (We're printers let's face? >it, It just made=2 0CENTS) The Union is not for every printer and I? >respect that. We all just make our money one click or pull at a time,? >and printers know it's not easy. And it seems that every customer? >wants you to be the one he can save money with and every thing else,? >he understands why gas increased, why utilities increase but we pay? >them too. Us printers are a hardy breed - Union or not.? >? >Nancy Denney? >Aloha Print & Copy, LLC? >www.aloha4print.com? >? >On Aug 8, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Gordon Watt wrote:? >? >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >>? >>? >>? >>Nancy? >>? >> I'd be interested in knowing why you decided to unionize. Most? >>printers seem strongly opposed to the idea.? >>? >> Thanks.? >>? >>Gordon Watt? >>Xoxo Cyberprint Inc? >>Toronto? >>? >>? >>? >>I hate to tell you politicians came in our door since the day we? >>started and as I said we were not a Union shop then. We started out? >>as a LAZERQUICK, I'm sure you've heard of that name in your part of? >>the country. Well our area never did and we were using their prices,? >>talk about unfair. And politicians deal with us because we deal with? >>them. Not all of our politician customers want the bug, they just? >>know we're accurate and fair. THAT'S WHY THEY DEAL WITH US!? >>? >>0 >>>? >>>? >>>? >>? >>Nancy Denney? >>Aloha Print & Copy, LLC? >>www.aloha4print.com? >>? >>? >>? >>_______________________________________________? >>PrintOwners Discussion List? >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >>? >>_______________________________________________? >>PrintOwners Discussion List? >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >>? >>? >? >_______________________________________________? >PrintOwners Discussion List? >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? >__________ NOD32 3340 (20080808) Information __________? >? >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.? >http://www.eset.com? >? ? _____________________________________________? ? Scott Cappel? ? Sorrento Mesa Printing? 7398 Trade Street? San Diego, CA 92121-2422? 858-527-0800? 858-527-1740 FAX? http://www.sorrentomesa.com? ? LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa? ? Direct Links for Learning:? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html? ? Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider? Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider? Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level? Authorized Micr osoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider? ? Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From dominick at fmtc.com Fri Aug 8 16:12:39 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Fri Aug 8 16:12:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Supplier needed Message-ID: <489CA8B7.7070605@fmtc.com> I have finished our research on printing custom flags, and already have our first order of 100. Now the schools tell us the wooden flag stick "may be considered a weapon." Does anybody know of a supplier of the plastic flag sticks? Have spent two days looking with no luck yet. Local hardware store is too high for "custom lengths". Thanks for your help. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com From hal at pickimp.com Fri Aug 8 16:15:20 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Fri Aug 8 16:14:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unions References: <20080807.182046.11863.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com><01a901c8f96c$711adff0$6900a8c0@DANIEL><443BAF59-F449-4630-A0D7-7A3433FD6AEA@aloha4print.com><012b01c8f977$5a425460$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1><8B3F1B92-600A-49E1-83B6-88866C9C2078@aloha4print.com> <200808081904.m78J4ESX098411@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <002101c8f993$7f4b2900$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> I literally know hundreds of people who belong to labor unions. To label all of them as lazy is like saying that most printers are a bunch of dolts with ink on their torn T-shirts and all wear dirty pants. There are plenty of them though. Electricians, Iron workers (not steel workers), operating engineers (crane operators), glazers, toxic waste haulers, to name few are trained professionals who labor long and hard. These particular folks are in constant danger and depend on their co-workers to be well trained and knowledgeable professionals. They don't want to work with Billy-Joe Sixpack and end up dead. Many of you seem to think that problems in the auto industry were mostly caused by union labor. That's a very uninformed and ignorant opinion. The folks on the assembly lines were building cars according to the way they are trained. If the design is bad it certainly isn't the fault of the folks on the line. More than likely it's the fault of some dumb assed engineer who has an engineering degree but not enough common sense to come in out of the rain. The union folks don't spec the sheet metal, they don't spec the paint, blah, blah, blah. So while it's great fun to poke fun at some people you don't know or understand maybe you ought to take a few minutes and think about whether or not you could survive even half a day in their (steel toed) shoes. By the way I don't think we need labor unions anymore either. However, we DO need a way to certify some professions and we all know we can't trust the government to do it. The professionals I talked about earlier take tests to "get their book", it's not easy and I really wonder how many of you could actually "cut-it". My father-in-law is a retired iron-worker. Very few people here probably even know what iron workers do. I didn't. If you ever really want to know, tell me. Hint: it's not about riding the head-ache ball. Time for an Irish Mist now -- have a nice weekend. Hal From cpurvine1 at cox.net Fri Aug 8 04:34:02 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Fri Aug 8 16:34:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Supplier needed In-Reply-To: <489CA8B7.7070605@fmtc.com> References: <489CA8B7.7070605@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <000f01c8f931$836f91e0$6601a8c0@coranew> Joe, have you made sure that the plastic sticks won't be considered a weapon also or at least how rigid the plastic can be...JAT Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From info at desktopsxm.com Fri Aug 8 16:47:40 2008 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Fri Aug 8 16:47:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] broken cartons In-Reply-To: <000f01c8f931$836f91e0$6601a8c0@coranew> References: <489CA8B7.7070605@fmtc.com> <000f01c8f931$836f91e0$6601a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <0516C4F2-3E84-4859-ABAC-4B8C67E937BA@desktopsxm.com> is anybody being charged extra for broken cartons at macpapers Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten Tel 542-4044 fax 543-1100 "The Printshop with a Difference" From mike at arborprinting.com Fri Aug 8 16:48:43 2008 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Fri Aug 8 16:50:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bug legality References: <000a01c8f98f$5c2aaf80$14800e80$@com> Message-ID: <018d01c8f998$259c3ac0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Or, especially those in bigger shops, the threat of unionizing your shop. Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. 5100 Academy Dr., Ste 100 Lisle, IL 60532 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom King" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 2:45 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Bug legality > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Larry said: I'll have to make a quick call to an atty to see what our risk > is. > ----- > It would seem to me, and I'm only half kidding, that the most serious risk > would be a Molotov cocktail thrown through the front window of your shop > by > a loyal union worker. > > > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From TimKoedyker at kwikkopyprinting-cp.com Fri Aug 8 16:53:53 2008 From: TimKoedyker at kwikkopyprinting-cp.com (Tim Koedyker) Date: Fri Aug 8 16:54:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:the union bug In-Reply-To: <8B3F1B92-600A-49E1-83B6-88866C9C2078@aloha4print.com> References: <20080807.182046.11863.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com><01a901c8f96c$711adff0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <443BAF59-F449-4630-A0D7-7A3433FD6AEA@aloha4print.com> <012b01c8f977$5a425460$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> <8B3F1B92-600A-49E1-83B6-88866C9C2078@aloha4print.com> Message-ID: Nancy, I am little confused by this post...are you a union member along with your employees? If you don't mind me asking what does the union contract say is the hourly rate for a 2 color pressperson, a 4 color pressperson, DTP person and CSR person? Tim Koedyker Kwik Kopy Printing Crown Point, IN 46307 www.kwikkopyprinting-cp.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Aloha Print & Copy, LLC Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:34 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:the union bug ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Gordon, I was brought up in a Union family. The Union to me, represents a force that stands up to Greedy corporations that want to pay low wages without benefits. Now I'm NOT saying that any of the printers that aren't Union don't treat their people well, however, with the Union we have gotten better and lower insurance rates, we now have a pension plan, and other benefits. But the mere fact of starting a printing business without any support, which in the beginning was our franchise, just seems overwhelming. Not to mention the daily headaches like a new Fuel Surcharge on a maintenance agreement. The Unions brought better working conditions to the work place. I am the owner of the print shop, so the dollars are always something to look at, and in my case - it just made sense. (We're printers let's face it, It just made CENTS) The Union is not for every printer and I respect that. We all just make our money one click or pull at a time, and printers know it's not easy. And it seems that every customer wants you to be the one he can save money with and every thing else, he understands why gas increased, why utilities increase but we pay them too. Us printers are a hardy breed - Union or not. Nancy Denney Aloha Print & Copy, LLC www.aloha4print.com On Aug 8, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Gordon Watt wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Nancy > > I'd be interested in knowing why you decided to unionize. Most > printers seem strongly opposed to the idea. > > Thanks. > > Gordon Watt > Xoxo Cyberprint Inc > Toronto > > > > I hate to tell you politicians came in our door since the day we > started and as I said we were not a Union shop then. We started out > as a LAZERQUICK, I'm sure you've heard of that name in your part of > the country. Well our area never did and we were using their prices, > talk about unfair. And politicians deal with us because we deal with > them. Not all of our politician customers want the bug, they just > know we're accurate and fair. THAT'S WHY THEY DEAL WITH US! > > >> >> >> >> > > Nancy Denney > Aloha Print & Copy, LLC > www.aloha4print.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jodib at blackfoot.net Fri Aug 8 17:17:07 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Fri Aug 8 17:17:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] broken cartons References: <489CA8B7.7070605@fmtc.com><000f01c8f931$836f91e0$6601a8c0@coranew> <0516C4F2-3E84-4859-ABAC-4B8C67E937BA@desktopsxm.com> Message-ID: <013901c8f99c$1d18ad30$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Unisource papers had started charging us a broken carton charge (about a year ago) and also had a $250 minimum PER ORDER. Which sometimes doesn't work when you have to order special paper for a job, so we stopped placing orders with them. Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Brint" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 2:47 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] broken cartons > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > is anybody being charged extra for broken cartons at macpapers > > > Joel Brint > Desktop Imaging > St. Maarten > Tel 542-4044 > fax 543-1100 > > "The Printshop with a Difference" > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From slb at inkspot.net Fri Aug 8 17:22:18 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Aug 8 17:22:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unions In-Reply-To: <002101c8f993$7f4b2900$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> References: <20080807.182046.11863.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>, <002101c8f993$7f4b2900$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <489C80CA.24401.51875FA4@slb.inkspot.net> Hal, You're right about part of the auto industry's woes. The workers aren't the problem, in general. The union, however, is a large part of the problem, as is the attitudes of the auto companies' corporate management and our government in the 50s and 60s. Excepting the current downturn, the US auto companies have been doing quite well, except for their legacy costs. It's hard to compete, for example, when you have to keep hundreds of former workers on your payroll, just in case you need to recall them to active work. In the 50s and 60s, government, management, and the unions all thought that the gravy train would go on forever, and that it didn't matter what the contract said, they could just charge a bit more for the cars, and everyone would be happy. (The government's part was in not looking at all of this as collusion within an industry.) By the 70s, the Japanese made better cars than we did. In the 80s, US quality came back with a vengeance, but the legacy costs are still there, and aren't going away. As usual, there's no simple solution--just a bunch of tradeoffs. Steve . > > I literally know hundreds of people who belong to labor unions. To > label all of them as lazy is like saying that most printers are a > bunch of dolts with ink on their torn T-shirts and all wear dirty > pants. There are plenty of them though. > > Electricians, Iron workers (not steel workers), operating engineers > (crane operators), glazers, toxic waste haulers, to name few are > trained professionals who labor long and hard. These particular folks > are in constant danger and depend on their co-workers to be well > trained and knowledgeable professionals. They don't want to work > with Billy-Joe Sixpack and end up dead. > > Many of you seem to think that problems in the auto industry were > mostly caused by union labor. That's a very uninformed and ignorant > opinion. The folks on the assembly lines were building cars > according to the way they are trained. If the design is bad it > certainly isn't the fault of the folks on the line. More than likely > it's the fault of some dumb assed engineer who has an engineering > degree but not enough common sense to come in out of the rain. The > union folks don't spec the sheet metal, they don't spec the paint, > blah, blah, blah. > > So while it's great fun to poke fun at some people you don't know or > understand maybe you ought to take a few minutes and think about > whether or not you could survive even half a day in their (steel toed) > shoes. > > By the way I don't think we need labor unions anymore either. > However, we DO need a way to certify some professions and we all know > we can't trust the government to do it. The professionals I talked > about earlier take tests to "get their book", it's not easy and I > really wonder how many of you could actually "cut-it". My > father-in-law is a retired iron-worker. Very few people here probably > even know what iron workers do. I didn't. If you ever really want to > know, tell me. Hint: it's not about riding the head-ache ball. > > Time for an Irish Mist now -- have a nice weekend. > > > Hal > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3340 (20080808) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From sos at olympus.net Fri Aug 8 17:24:15 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Aug 8 17:24:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unions References: <20080807.182046.11863.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com><01a901c8f96c$711adff0$6900a8c0@DANIEL><443BAF59-F449-4630-A0D7-7A3433FD6AEA@aloha4print.com><012b01c8f977$5a425460$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1><8B3F1B92-600A-49E1-83B6-88866C9C2078@aloha4print.com><200808081904.m78J4ESX098411@i2bnetworks.com> <002101c8f993$7f4b2900$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <02e901c8f99d$1c2222c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> >So while it's great fun to poke fun at some people you don't know or >understand maybe you ought to take a few minutes and think about whether or >not you could survive even half a day in their (steel toed) shoes. ====================== When I wore steel toed boots and worked shift work at the mill, I'd agree, many, many workers were good workers, ran the big expensive machines, but many were not. I got taken aside a couple times and told to Slow down, what are you trying to do kid, make us look bad? Did I mention the mill is now in bankruptcy, taken over by their creditors, New York financiers. They hired a new manager who is laying off people. We'll see if it survives. The fault, it seems to me, was a gamble management took, buying out a large packaging maker in Canada and becoming a vertical company, making the paper, then making corrugated board, then making boxes, all in-house. It sounded good in theory, but they couldn't make their bond payments. I don't think you can blame the union, but it sure doesn't give management any flexibility in a rapidly changing market. It's an old fashioned way of doing things. I saw a really nice looking car the other day, figured it was a Lexus or something, looked closer and it was a Buick. I once owned a Pontiac Astra. Total piece of junk. That was a long time ago, but I would still never buy a Pontiac. I like my BMW, but I also like my Jeep. I would guess an Iron Worker is someone who bolts together big commercial buildings. But I really don't know. An Irish Mist sounds nice, but I've got another run on the GTO and a poster to design, pads to cut, folding. Then I've got a bottle from the smallest distillery in Scotland, Edradour. Very cute little place. Cheers. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From steveprint at aol.com Fri Aug 8 05:30:42 2008 From: steveprint at aol.com (StevePrint) Date: Fri Aug 8 17:30:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 2008 and 2009 Calendar Templates Message-ID: Does anyone have these set up that they would email to us. Thanks, Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting From cpurvine1 at cox.net Fri Aug 8 05:34:32 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Fri Aug 8 17:34:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 2008 and 2009 Calendar Templates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002e01c8f939$f72665c0$6601a8c0@coranew> Steve, Publisher has calendar templates. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From slb at inkspot.net Fri Aug 8 17:47:33 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Aug 8 17:47:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Duplo booklet maker question In-Reply-To: <0aac01c8f962$a687d490$8302a8c0@Robbin> References: , <0aac01c8f962$a687d490$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: <489C86B5.9561.519E7F7B@slb.inkspot.net> We, too, have a 2000 system. It's the same tower as the 4000 and 5000 (a 10-bin DC10/60 tower), coupled to a hand-marry station and a DBM120 bookletmaker and trimmer. The 4000 and 5000 use the higher-end bookletmaker, which uses stitchers instead of staplers. HTH, Steve > > Dear Randy, > > We have the DBM2000. We started off with the bookletmaker and the face > trimmer because, in the building I was in at the time, I didn't have room > for the collator. So, for a while, we did all booklets by collating (or > have digital collate) and putting books in the "slot." We have since moved > to a bigger building, and I purchased a 10-bin air-fed collator, but for > less than 100 books, it isn't worth the trouble of setting it up. > > Susan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc." > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:06 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Duplo booklet maker question > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Susan Compton wrote: > > > >> When we are doing digital booklets, unless it is a very large job, > >> we just let the digital machine collate, then hand feed them into the > >> bookletmaker. Cover-book-boom, Cover-book-boom. > > > > > > What model Duplo bookletmaker are you using? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Randy Hurley > > Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. > > 17 South Third Street > > P.O. Box 23 > > Clearfield, PA 16830 > > 814-765-4731 > > Fax: 814-765-1380 > > cpc@clearnet.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > __________ NOD32 3340 (20080808) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3340 (20080808) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From joe at calagaz.com Fri Aug 8 18:30:36 2008 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Fri Aug 8 18:30:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] broken cartons Message-ID: Our min with Unisource was $750....and we also stopped ordering..... Joe Calagaz Calagaz Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jodi Bowser Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 4:17 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] broken cartons ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Unisource papers had started charging us a broken carton charge (about a year ago) and also had a $250 minimum PER ORDER. Which sometimes doesn't work when you have to order special paper for a job, so we stopped placing orders with them. Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Brint" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 2:47 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] broken cartons > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > is anybody being charged extra for broken cartons at macpapers > > > Joel Brint > Desktop Imaging > St. Maarten > Tel 542-4044 > fax 543-1100 > > "The Printshop with a Difference" > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Printernot at aol.com Fri Aug 8 23:13:28 2008 From: Printernot at aol.com (Printernot@aol.com) Date: Fri Aug 8 23:13:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unions Message-ID: In a message dated 8/8/2008 3:26:18 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, sos@olympus.net writes: I got taken aside a couple times and told to Slow down, what are you trying to do kid, make us look bad? The same thing happened to me while I was a Teamster and working in a warehouse. Not only was I told to slow down by coworkers, I was threatened. I ended up quitting shortly afterward because I didn't want to work in a place where I couldn't do my best. I would estimate the warehouse was overstaffed by at least 20% to make up for the laziness of the workers. It never mattered to me that the lazy guys got paid the same as I did. I had pride in putting forth my best effort, while they were just there to collect a check. I did get paid a huge amount for doing menial labor though, and it was mostly what I used to fund the printing business I bought a few years later. At the time I remember thinking what I was paid was outrageous compared to a friend who had graduated from college near the top of his class. Don Byers Colorado Springs, CO **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From Minmandon at aol.com Sat Aug 9 09:46:23 2008 From: Minmandon at aol.com (Minmandon@aol.com) Date: Sat Aug 9 09:46:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] broken cartons Message-ID: In a message dated 8/8/2008 4:48:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, info@desktopsxm.com writes: is anybody being charged extra for broken cartons at macpapers Yes. I got hit with a $25 broken carton charge last month from Mac. When I spoke up I was told that all accounts are being charged. I spend about $100,000 with Mac & after some discussion was assured that I would not be charged again. Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield Beach, FL **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Sat Aug 9 11:07:46 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Sat Aug 9 11:07:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] America's fastest Dying industries Message-ID: This morning's editions of Forbes-online ran this article.....I do not know where these numbers come from. After you read the article: ...does anyone on this list know the real deal? Last I read in Printing Impressions, they were estimating 10% growth between now and 2011. I don't' know where PI got those numbers from either. Is there any real statistical info on this industry that can be considered valid, or any company who generates info who can be trusted....even if they are wrong from time to time? OTOH, if what they say is close to accurate, I can live with those numbers. 12% over 10 years is actually more optimistic that I would have thought. _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ FORBES-8/09/08: If you're being affected by the downturn in housing or financial services, hang in there. At some point, those industries will rebound. Others should be so lucky. Just look at apparel manufacturers in the United States. According to the Labor Department, their ranks are expected to decrease by 54% while their output falls more than 43% between 2006 and 2016. Then there's the ailing printing business. Jobs in that U.S. industry will drop by 22% during the next decade, with output falling by 12%. They're classic examples of twin death knells for industries: foreign competition and technology. Why make clothes in the U.S. when the labor is cheaper in China? Who wants to publish the old-fashioned way when it's cheaper to use the Internet? _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Fri Aug 8 23:22:33 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Sat Aug 9 11:22:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003801c8f9cf$2bedf260$6601a8c0@coranew> I had the same experience when I went to work at Boeing. I was making $4.25 and started at Boeing at $9.00 per hour. I was REALLY grateful and figured that I owed the union for helping me make these wages so I joined. I jumped right in and told my peers all the cheaper ways to do silk-screening, etc. and all of my suggestions were implemented and I was just excited about getting the jobs out. The guys just stood around and had a game of throwing razor blades at each others feet while I did the work, but I really didn't care. I was doing what I was hired for and having a ball. Finally the lead pulled me aside and told me that I was making it rough for all of them and running them out of work and if anyone got laid off, it would be me. He was a big black man and scared me to death, but I didn't trust him. They put dirty pictures in my file cabinet, etc. trying to get me to quit...it didn't work. I didn't tell on them, but the next time the supervisor came in, I told him that I thought the guys had something they needed to talk to him about. He ask them what it was and of course no one spoke up, but I didn't have any trouble after that and the lead resigned his position. Shortly after that they started laying off and I was scheduled to go out the door, but because of my efforts in the silk-screen shop, I was allowed to transfer into the electrical shop and learn electrical wiring. I went from there to light sub-assembly, but since I didn't know how to do some of the jobs, but had a gift of gab, I got to do all the "Good Neighbor Fund" drives and all the "Bond Drives" and organize all the parties and it all paid the same so...... I worked at Boeing 15 years until I took early retirement in 2005 so I could keep this business going and....here I am Cora. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From copythatnyc at aol.com Sat Aug 9 11:49:50 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Sat Aug 9 11:50:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unions In-Reply-To: <003801c8f9cf$2bedf260$6601a8c0@coranew> References: <003801c8f9cf$2bedf260$6601a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <8CAC84EB0BE20E6-DB8-21DE@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Back in the early 80's I worked at a midtown company, which employed over 100 with main office opened 24 hrs. Some of the disgruntled employees ask for union help. At the time I was managing one of their offices, when two union representatives came in to speak to my employees. I had stopped them from speaking to them while they were working. I told them when they are not in the facility, they can speak to them outside. Well these rep's threathen me with bodily harm. And some chose words. Also that I should look over my shoulders when I'm going home. After alerting the owners, I was provided security at my office. An expense that eventually got my laid off. I for one wouldn't want to work for any type of union operations that threatens anyone. Union never got foot in door. Employees got a sense of reality with the strong arms tactics. I went on to open my first shop after that. The rest is history! Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Cora Purvine To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:22 pm Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Unions ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I had the same experience when I went to work at Boeing. I was making $4.25 and started at Boeing at $9.00 per hour. I was REALLY grateful and figured that I owed the union for helping me make these wages so I joined. I jumped right in and told my peers all the cheaper ways to do silk-screening, etc. and all of my suggestions were implemented and I was just excited about getting the jobs out. The guys just stood around and had a game of throwing razor blades at each others feet while I did the work, but I really didn't care. I was doing what I was hired for and having a ball. Finally the lead pulled me aside and told me that I was making it rough for all of them and running them out of work and if anyone got laid off, it would be me. He was a big black man and scared me to death, but I didn't trust him. They put dirty pictures in my file cabinet, etc. trying to get me to quit...it didn't work. I didn't tell on them, but the next time the supervisor came in, I told him that I thought the guys had something they needed to talk to him about. He ask them what it was and of course no one spoke up, but I didn't have any trouble after that and the lead resigned his position. Shortly after that they started laying off and I was scheduled to go out the door, but because of my efforts in the silk-screen shop, I was allowed to transfer into the electrical shop and learn electrical wiring. I went from there to light sub-assembly, but since I didn't know how to do some of the jobs, but had a gift of gab, I got to do all the "Good Neighbor Fund" drives and all the "Bond Drives" and organize all the parties and it all paid the same so...... I worked at Boeing 15 years until I took early retirement in 2005 so I could keep this business going and....here I am Cora. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From huntleyw at bellsouth.net Sat Aug 9 13:36:29 2008 From: huntleyw at bellsouth.net (Bill Huntley) Date: Sat Aug 9 13:36:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unions References: <20080807.182046.11863.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com><01a901c8f96c$711adff0$6900a8c0@DANIEL><443BAF59-F449-4630-A0D7-7A3433FD6AEA@aloha4print.com><012b01c8f977$5a425460$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1><8B3F1B92-600A-49E1-83B6-88866C9C2078@aloha4print.com><200808081904.m78J4ESX098411@i2bnetworks.com> <002101c8f993$7f4b2900$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <001701c8fa46$76a70090$58e40641@bills4drj3ddzy> Hal said: My father-in-law is a retired iron-worker. Very few people here probably even know what iron workers do. I didn't. If you ever really want to know, tell me. Hint: it's not about riding the head-ache ball. In South Carolina an iron worker is also known as a welder. Might apply to hi-rise tower erectors. Bill Huntley Universal Copies Columbia, SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hal Wendt" List Message ***** From davek at epgvl.com Sat Aug 9 13:48:55 2008 From: davek at epgvl.com (Dave Knapp) Date: Sat Aug 9 13:50:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] broken cartons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <489DD887.60803@epgvl.com> Yes, but not consistently. I have not tried to figure it out yet, I just avoid Mac Papers when at all possible. Please note new information: Dave Knapp Express Press 501B Richardson Street Simpsonville, SC 29681 864/757-9652 864/757-9654 Fax DaveK@epgvl.com www.epgvl.com Minmandon@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > In a message dated 8/8/2008 4:48:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > info@desktopsxm.com writes: > > is anybody being charged extra for broken cartons at macpapers > > > > Yes. I got hit with a $25 broken carton charge last month from Mac. When I > spoke up I was told that all accounts are being charged. I spend about $100,000 > with Mac & after some discussion was assured that I would not be charged > again. > > Don Carney > Minuteman Press > Deerfield Beach, FL > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From john at mpcny.com Sun Aug 10 11:35:00 2008 From: john at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Sun Aug 10 11:35:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Print Blogging - new one by John S Message-ID: <002a01c8fafe$a6cf9bc0$f46ed340$@com> http://www.quickconsultant.com/blog/index.html John S has joined in and now has a blog. I am sure it will be better written than mine www.mpcny.com/printblogger I will have updates to mine soon about my merger and some local things. John Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Oswego NY From ernlang at planttel.net Sun Aug 10 17:06:37 2008 From: ernlang at planttel.net (ernlang@planttel.net) Date: Sun Aug 10 17:01:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 242 Service Plan In-Reply-To: <2F58248E-28BD-47CF-962B-FE0AD6978324@fuse.net> References: <010d01c8f8c1$3ef131b0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <2F58248E-28BD-47CF-962B-FE0AD6978324@fuse.net> Message-ID: <49334.216.105.182.114.1218402397.squirrel@webmail.planttel.net> I have a proposal for a Xerox 242 lease with what I consider a great Service Plan. The plan is for a base charge of $0/month with click charges of .049/color and .0129/B&W. I have been getting the run-around from Xerox on what the service would be in future years. I would like to know what other printers have been promised by Xerox for future years of service. Ernest Lang Lang Printing Co. Tifton, GA 31794 229-382-4264 From StevePrint at aol.com Sun Aug 10 19:55:35 2008 From: StevePrint at aol.com (StevePrint@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 10 19:55:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 242 Service Plan Message-ID: How many years Lease and Monthly Payment is? Steve **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From stalprint at charter.net Sun Aug 10 21:15:40 2008 From: stalprint at charter.net (stalprint@charter.net) Date: Sun Aug 10 21:15:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Off - sorta - Google Docs Message-ID: <20080810211540.0Y596.206879.root@mp11> Don't remember seeing this topic before. Forgive me if I am behind the times. I recently found neat way to have a group of people to sign up for events and view/print the list if they please. My wife is using this for the school PTA for two events. There are many other ways this can be used. It is called Google Docs. After signing up for a free account you can upload several different types of files. You can then invite whomever to view and edit the form. You can see more information at http://www.google.com/google-d-s/intl/en/tour1.html I used a spreadsheet to make forms for the PTA members to sign up for a particular item or time slot. Then sent group email out with the link and instructions. Very easy to use - one hint - you must turn sharing on after you upload the file in order for others to view/edit the form. You can also set it up to email you anytime changes are made. Two of my "test" files are here: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pw0FV_Z-IfQpWW6MjBt0jHQ&hl=en http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pw0FV_Z-IfQoBf_7d1cf-bg&hl=en Feel free to look/edit as you wish. Hope this help someone. Isn't what the list(s) are for? -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 Tel (828) 758-1126 Fax (828) 754-6734 From ernlang at planttel.net Mon Aug 11 07:38:13 2008 From: ernlang at planttel.net (ernlang@planttel.net) Date: Mon Aug 11 07:33:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 242 Service Plan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49274.216.105.182.114.1218454693.squirrel@webmail.planttel.net> The monthly payment on the 242 is $736.87 on a 60 month FMV lease. This is based on a $38,295 purchase price. Ernest Lang Lang Printing Co. 229-382-4264 > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > How many years Lease and Monthly Payment is? > Steve > > > From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Mon Aug 11 08:57:02 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Mon Aug 11 08:57:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unions In-Reply-To: <200808081904.m78J4ESX098411@i2bnetworks.com> References: <20080807.182046.11863.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> <01a901c8f96c$711adff0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <443BAF59-F449-4630-A0D7-7A3433FD6AEA@aloha4print.com> <012b01c8f977$5a425460$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> <8B3F1B92-600A-49E1-83B6-88866C9C2078@aloha4print.com> <200808081904.m78J4ESX098411@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <48A0371E.70105@sugarloafprint.com> Scott and Hal You are both right -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From char at themasterspress.com Mon Aug 11 09:05:34 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Mon Aug 11 09:05:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 242 Service Plan In-Reply-To: <49274.216.105.182.114.1218454693.squirrel@webmail.planttel.net> References: <49274.216.105.182.114.1218454693.squirrel@webmail.planttel.net> Message-ID: I think buying a color copier for over a 5 year period is a mistake. In three years you will be wanting/needing a new one perhaps and you can always add that money on the end and pay interest on it all over again. A famous ploy by copier people to make more money. You pay more each month but much less in interest. And if it still works and you want to keep it - great it is done. But if you want to get another one you are stuck. I just paid off my C500 a couple of months ago and needing a larger and faster machine. I am glad I don't have to wait another two years or pay interest again. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of ernlang@planttel.net Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 6:38 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Xerox 242 Service Plan ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The monthly payment on the 242 is $736.87 on a 60 month FMV lease. This is based on a $38,295 purchase price. Ernest Lang Lang Printing Co. 229-382-4264 > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > How many years Lease and Monthly Payment is? > Steve > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3345 (20080811) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3345 (20080811) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com Mon Aug 11 09:49:42 2008 From: Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com (Gerry Engelhart) Date: Mon Aug 11 09:49:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] how low do you go. Message-ID: <002701c8fbb9$1b5b9f10$7000000a@Engelhart> I have a project that I have done in the past. Major Type A client who can drive you crazy and after you have done 50% more than you have quoted, will negotiate you on the bill. It is the way he is! This year he has asked for a price and has "bid" the job out. Knowing the job, I am coming up with a price that is twice what he intimates is the price he has on the table. My question is "how low should I be willing to go" the job is 254,000 8.5 x 11 digital prints. 60 % is on colored #20 and the balance on white #20 What is an appropriate rate for those copies? Gerry Engelhart Porath printsource Cleveland ohio From clc at crownmax.com Mon Aug 11 09:59:17 2008 From: clc at crownmax.com (clc) Date: Mon Aug 11 09:59:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] how low do you go. In-Reply-To: <002701c8fbb9$1b5b9f10$7000000a@Engelhart> References: <002701c8fbb9$1b5b9f10$7000000a@Engelhart> Message-ID: $254,000.00 seems like a nice even number based on the Pain & Aggravation. Then you could offer an upfront 10% discount prior to his negotiation. I am sure Scott would be higher due to the cost of sunshine at his location. Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road Dunbar, WV 25064 1-800-252-40111 www.crownmax.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Engelhart Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:50 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] how low do you go. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a project that I have done in the past. Major Type A client who can drive you crazy and after you have done 50% more than you have quoted, will negotiate you on the bill. It is the way he is! This year he has asked for a price and has "bid" the job out. Knowing the job, I am coming up with a price that is twice what he intimates is the price he has on the table. My question is "how low should I be willing to go" the job is 254,000 8.5 x 11 digital prints. 60 % is on colored #20 and the balance on white #20 What is an appropriate rate for those copies? Gerry Engelhart Porath printsource Cleveland ohio _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Mon Aug 11 10:03:20 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Harkins) Date: Mon Aug 11 10:03:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] how low do you go. In-Reply-To: <002701c8fbb9$1b5b9f10$7000000a@Engelhart> Message-ID: On 8/11/08 8:49 AM, "Gerry Engelhart" wrote: > My question is "how low should I be willing to go" the job is 254,000 8.5 > x 11 digital prints. 60 % is on colored #20 and the balance on white #20 > > What is an appropriate rate for those copies? > Assuming you are talking b/w digital as opposed to color, we would be somewhere around $.022/click although I have gone lower. We would be running it on a BizHub 1050. Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From falconprinting at gmail.com Mon Aug 11 10:21:33 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Mon Aug 11 10:21:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] how low do you go. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The lowest I've ever gone is $0.25 for color, and $0.04 (for black and white on the color copier, which I pay 0.0125 a click for, and even this is only on color heavy jobs). There's nothing harder than knowing when to say no though. My personal experience with this type of client has been if I sent them away, they tend to come back and renegotiate. If you think is price is too low, it probably is. Unless they're getting it online or something, in which cases you might end up losing money if you match the price. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Cyndy Harkins > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:03:20 -0500 > To: PrintOwners List > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] how low do you go. > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On 8/11/08 8:49 AM, "Gerry Engelhart" wrote: > > >> My question is "how low should I be willing to go" the job is 254,000 8.5 >> x 11 digital prints. 60 % is on colored #20 and the balance on white #20 >> >> What is an appropriate rate for those copies? >> > > Assuming you are talking b/w digital as opposed to color, we would be > somewhere around $.022/click although I have gone lower. We would be running > it on a BizHub 1050. > > Cyndy > > > -- > Cyndy Wendt Harkins > President > Pioneer Printing, Inc. > 3133 S. 7th., Suite D > Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 > cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com > > 402.483.7575 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From sherwood at ctsbroadband.com Mon Aug 11 10:28:31 2008 From: sherwood at ctsbroadband.com (Bob Sherwood) Date: Mon Aug 11 10:28:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Job to Large (for me) Message-ID: <006b01c8fbbe$89670fd0$01fea8c0@cumberla1> Have a customer who wants 250, two sided 12" x 19" on 150 manilla tag. Too big for my equipment. Help? Bob Sherwood Cumberland Printing P.O. Box 313 Monticello, KY 42633 606-348-4517 From bherion at bucksdigital.com Mon Aug 11 10:38:32 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Mon Aug 11 10:38:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: how low do you go In-Reply-To: <20080811142149.4F62C1023A51@rb.enter.net> References: <20080811142149.4F62C1023A51@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080811103148.0343de78@bucksdigital.com> At 10:21 AM 8/11/2008, Gerry Engelhart wrote: >My question is "how low should I be willing to go" the job is 254,000 8.5 >x 11 digital prints. 60 % is on colored #20 and the balance on white #20 > >What is an appropriate rate for those copies? Gerry, The low guys out this way do a penny plus paper. I don't go there. I might settle on .024/imp as a 2-sided document. Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Mon Aug 11 10:48:45 2008 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Mon Aug 11 10:47:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Prices and Mailing Survey In-Reply-To: <002701c8fbb9$1b5b9f10$7000000a@Engelhart> Message-ID: <008001c8fbc1$5b0037e0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> I've been working on some of the prices we charge for mailing services. I've been trying to make sense of the mailing survey and what people are charging locally for mailing jobs. Locally it seems that mail-houses do silly things. The silliest seems to be that they have minimum charges, and once the minimum is met, it's a per/m price for the job with a break in the per/m, if you do a large enough quantity. This logic seems to go against anything that I can figure (hey mr./mrs. Customer, we have all this processing and make-ready time to get your mailing ready to go but, since you're mailing quantity meets our minimum charge, we'll just give you all that start-up time, and just charge you the per/m price). They other thing I noticed was in the pricing survey. A lot of effort was made to get individual prices for most of the common mailing processes, however, when you look at the sample jobs that everyone priced (the postcard, self-mailer, and envelope mailing job), it appears that the pricing logic described above, or something like it, prevails with the survey participants as well. If you take the individual prices that would make up one of the sample jobs in the survey, (like the postcard sample consisting of List Set-up, CASS, Ink-Jet Letter, Sort/Bundle/Tray, Deliver to Post Office) and compare those prices to the Post Card sample job, the totaled individual prices are much higher than the sample jobs . . . by almost twice. Questions for the mailing guru's on the list . . . - Do you give away the set-up once a minimum is met? (We don't) - Do you have individual charges that make up your prices or do you have "job prices"? (We have individual prices.) - When you submitted your survey, would the individual prices for the different services, add up to the job samples in the survey? (Ours do.) - Since there is such a disparity in the totaled individual prices from the survey, and the sample job in the survey, do you find that your prices are more apt to follow the sample job, or the total of the individually priced services? (Ours follow more closely the sample jobs.) TIA Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Mon Aug 11 10:54:34 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Mon Aug 11 10:54:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:the union bug In-Reply-To: References: <20080807.182046.11863.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <48A052AA.4090505@satx.rr.com> I can't imagine any business person willingly going union. I managed a union shop for 6 weeks once. I wasn't willing to put up with the BS. If they want a union here I'll close and retire. I don't need the aggravation. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Aloha Print & Copy, LLC wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > When I said "over-the-seas" internet printers, I meant like the > Philippines, not the water between Maine and Atlas Printing in Mass. > As for you being a son of a former Machinists Union District Business > Agent, I was a daughter of a Machinists No. 9 and a granddaughter of a > Billposter No. 5 however that will not get me jobs. Our shop wasn't > Union in the beginning because we didn't want to put a Mom and Pop > shop located around the corner, out of business. When they closed up > shop, due to illness, we then became Union. Our reputation was already > established as hard, honesty working printers. I really wonder about > the printers on this list that want to mock the Union with fake bugs. > It's like buying a knock off. You should be proud of your work with or > without the bug, but you shouldn't be using it just to get jobs. Hold > your head up high when you produce a job, don't hide behind a symbol > that doesn't belong to you. > > Nancy Denney > Aloha Print & Copy, LLC > www.aloha4print.com > > > From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Mon Aug 11 11:22:02 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Mon Aug 11 11:22:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unions In-Reply-To: <200808081904.m78J4ESX098411@i2bnetworks.com> References: <20080807.182046.11863.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> <01a901c8f96c$711adff0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <443BAF59-F449-4630-A0D7-7A3433FD6AEA@aloha4print.com> <012b01c8f977$5a425460$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> <8B3F1B92-600A-49E1-83B6-88866C9C2078@aloha4print.com> <200808081904.m78J4ESX098411@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <48A0591A.8070007@satx.rr.com> The local Toyota truck plant stopped production last week. They won't build another vehicle until November sometime. All employees are still reporting for work. They will do training and community service until they star production back up. I don't think anyone there is stupid enough to want a union. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > . > > Ask someone who works for Apple or a Toyota plant in the US, or even > Wal Mart if they want to unionize and see what answer you get. > > I think these days Unions are not concerned with anyone's welfare > except their own. > > Workers are a means to an end...and the endgame is the absolute > accumulation of Power. > > S. > > From falconprinting at gmail.com Mon Aug 11 11:43:16 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Mon Aug 11 11:43:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Plate/Press Problem In-Reply-To: <006b01c8fbbe$89670fd0$01fea8c0@cumberla1> Message-ID: We have fine text in the middle of a solid that's plugging in. We usually send out for metal plates to solve this probem, but this is for a client who is going to order a lot of business cards regularly, and we'd like to get it done with our current system. We have a DPX Genesis plate system, and a Ryobi 3302. Its a one color job, that we really should be able to run. We can set up fine, but after about 100 sheets the text starts plugging. These are all short runs (500 each), and, well, I really need to make it work. I'm open to ANY suggestion (fountain solution, pressure, anything). Thanks. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Mon Aug 11 11:49:48 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Mon Aug 11 11:49:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Plate/Press Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A05F9C.2090602@satx.rr.com> Go back to basics. Are the plates and blankets packed to specs? Are the rollers hardened? Are the stripes correct? These are the cause of 90% of plugging problems I have seen over the 33+ years I've been a running presses. If all these items are in spec let us know what dampening system you have and we'll go from there Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have fine text in the middle of a solid that's plugging in. We usually > send out for metal plates to solve this probem, but this is for a client who > is going to order a lot of business cards regularly, and we'd like to get it > done with our current system. We have a DPX Genesis plate system, and a > Ryobi 3302. Its a one color job, that we really should be able to run. We > can set up fine, but after about 100 sheets the text starts plugging. These > are all short runs (500 each), and, well, I really need to make it work. > I'm open to ANY suggestion (fountain solution, pressure, anything). Thanks. > > > Borzou Azabdaftari > Falcon Print and Copy > 1921 Gallows Road > Suite 150 > Vienna, VA 22182 > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com Mon Aug 11 11:51:13 2008 From: s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com (Sonya Hughes) Date: Mon Aug 11 11:54:46 2008 Subject: **Possible Spam** (12), [PrintOwners] Unions In-Reply-To: <200808081904.m78J4ESX098411@i2bnetworks.com> References: <20080807.182046.11863.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> <01a901c8f96c$711adff0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <443BAF59-F449-4630-A0D7-7A3433FD6AEA@aloha4print.com> <012b01c8f977$5a425460$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> <8B3F1B92-600A-49E1-83B6-88866C9C2078@aloha4print.com> <200808081904.m78J4ESX098411@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: I'd like weigh in on the Union issue. My husband works for the local power company, has paid union dues for over three decades. Yet every time a tough issue came up ... his Union caved. The best benefits he's ever had - he just acquired when his former employer was bought by a local (non-Union) REA. As for me, I pay above average wages ... because I want (and get) above average results. I involved my employees in every aspect of the business ... purchases, policies, all of it. How we operate is largely in part because of their input. Each year I take my four employees and their spouses on a fully paid vacation. We close the shop, we've gone to Santa Fe, NM and Niagara Falls, and are making reservations for Washington DC for next Spring. This is something we started recently. But my employees have been here: 28 years, 16 years, 14 years and 13 years. It's my way of making them glad they stuck with me. If they wanted to go Union ... I would questions what they expect to gain from it. Scott is right, the Unions were vitally important to our developing industrialization. But they have become greedy and ineffective for the most part, Unions are only needed where people are not treated fairly or with respect. And frankly, even paying Union dues won't get you any guarantees of either. Just my take. Sonya Hughes Legends Printing Dodge City, KS On Aug 8, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > I don't think corporations are greedy, I think corporations act in > the best interests of their shareholders, and if you hold stock > equities...that be you. > > I cry no tears for someone who shows up to work day after day, year > after year with no interest in improving their lot in life, > expecting constant raises just for showing up and breathing. > > Look at the segments of this economy that are heavily unionized and > the results speak for themselves (American car companies, Airlines, > State and Local government) > > Poor balance sheets, many on the verge of bankruptcy (except for > government of course...they'll just print more) > > Unions had a place at the turn of the last century where there were > abuses and rampant disregard for the safety and well being of their > employees, > > But not so at the turn of this century, where communication is > instant and everywhere, and we now compete in a global marketplace. > > People have more choice over their destinies than any time in history. > > Ask someone who works for Apple or a Toyota plant in the US, or > even Wal Mart if they want to unionize and see what answer you get. > > I think these days Unions are not concerned with anyone's welfare > except their own. > > Workers are a means to an end...and the endgame is the absolute > accumulation of Power. > > S. > > > At 10:33 AM 8/8/2008, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Gordon, >> I was brought up in a Union family. The Union to me, represents >> a force that stands up to Greedy corporations that want to pay low >> wages without benefits. Now I'm NOT saying that any of the printers >> that aren't Union don't treat their people well, however, with the >> Union we have gotten better and lower insurance rates, we now have a >> pension plan, and other benefits. But the mere fact of starting a >> printing business without any support, which in the beginning was our >> franchise, just seems overwhelming. Not to mention the daily >> headaches like a new Fuel Surcharge on a maintenance agreement. The >> Unions brought better working conditions to the work place. I am the >> owner of the print shop, so the dollars are always something to look >> at, and in my case - it just made sense. (We're printers let's face >> it, It just made CENTS) The Union is not for every printer and I >> respect that. We all just make our money one click or pull at a time, >> and printers know it's not easy. And it seems that every customer >> wants you to be the one he can save money with and every thing else, >> he understands why gas increased, why utilities increase but we pay >> them too. Us printers are a hardy breed - Union or not. >> >> Nancy Denney >> Aloha Print & Copy, LLC >> www.aloha4print.com >> >> On Aug 8, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Gordon Watt wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> >>> >>> Nancy >>> >>> I'd be interested in knowing why you decided to unionize. Most >>> printers seem strongly opposed to the idea. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Gordon Watt >>> Xoxo Cyberprint Inc >>> Toronto >>> >>> >>> >>> I hate to tell you politicians came in our door since the day we >>> started and as I said we were not a Union shop then. We started out >>> as a LAZERQUICK, I'm sure you've heard of that name in your part of >>> the country. Well our area never did and we were using their prices, >>> talk about unfair. And politicians deal with us because we deal with >>> them. Not all of our politician customers want the bug, they just >>> know we're accurate and fair. THAT'S WHY THEY DEAL WITH US! >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Nancy Denney >>> Aloha Print & Copy, LLC >>> www.aloha4print.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3340 (20080808) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon Aug 11 11:55:46 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 11 11:56:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Prices and Mailing Survey Message-ID: Just some general comments on the Mailing Services Pricing Study. First, you have to recognize that a fairly large percentage of firms who offer mailing services (primarily dedicated letter shops), do not use computerized pricing of any sorts. Computerization is no where as prevalent as you will find in the printing industry. Thus letter shops tend to keep things simple in regards to pricing. Many simply use a fixed price per M, check to make sure that it at least matches their minimum fee, and then go with that. While most printing firms offering mailing services tend to use a set-up fee, and then a declining price per M, while always making sure that the fee for that service meets or exceeds their min. fee. Once again, this is not as normal in the mailing industry where you will often find a simplified, 1 or 2-tier price per M. The dichotomy in pricing practices between the printing industry and the mailing industry shows up when you examine the percent of respondents who indicated they used either a min. fee or a set-up fee. As a general rule, only 25-45% of the entire industry (especially dedicated mailing houses) indicate they even use a setup fee at all! Most rely on a straight price/M. We do want to clarify the "Minimum" fee. It is just that and similar to what it means in the printing industry - that regardless of how small the quantity (say 500) will charge a minimum amount. Note also that in almost all cases, the minimum fee is greater than the set-up fee and it is assumed to include the set-up fee when in fact a set-up fee used. Not sure if this clarifies the situation that much, but you have to realize that the techniques involved in pricing mailing services are no where near as consistent or as complex as found in the printing industry. Another thing to point out - while the Mailing Study presents the most reliable information available, there is no suggestion whatsoever that those are the "correct" or "right" charges. We simply report the prices as they are, NOT what they should be. We may or may not conduct this survey again in early 2009 and if we do we will go out of our way to get your assistance and suggestions for improvements in this survey. We want to ask the questions so they give you the answers you are looking for. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon Aug 11 11:54:54 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon Aug 11 11:56:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Plate/Press Problem In-Reply-To: References: <006b01c8fbbe$89670fd0$01fea8c0@cumberla1> Message-ID: <200808111556.m7BFuVGe055869@i2bnetworks.com> Tack reducer in your ink. It might affect your drying time (longer). Sounds like a metal plate job. Poly does have its limits. S. At 08:43 AM 8/11/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We have fine text in the middle of a solid that's plugging in. We usually >send out for metal plates to solve this probem, but this is for a client who >is going to order a lot of business cards regularly, and we'd like to get it >done with our current system. We have a DPX Genesis plate system, and a >Ryobi 3302. Its a one color job, that we really should be able to run. We >can set up fine, but after about 100 sheets the text starts plugging. These >are all short runs (500 each), and, well, I really need to make it work. >I'm open to ANY suggestion (fountain solution, pressure, anything). Thanks. > > >Borzou Azabdaftari >Falcon Print and Copy >1921 Gallows Road >Suite 150 >Vienna, VA 22182 >t.703.442.0124 >f.703.442.0134 >borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3346 (20080811) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From communicar at aol.com Mon Aug 11 11:57:39 2008 From: communicar at aol.com (communicar@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 11 11:58:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Plate/Press Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CAC9E21D609E3C-9EC-3802@webmail-nd10.sysops.aol.com> What I normally tell my pressman - A little less ink and a little less water. If they can start okay, they should be able to hold it open. If it starts plugging, they are getting too much ink build up. Another option is to tell them to stop and restart every 90 sheets. If you are using the DPX, I don't think a metal plate will make any difference. A last alternative is to spread the knockout just a tiny bit, so it doesn't plug. Good luck. Ken Azebu Communicart Graphics & Printing 499 Aldo Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408) 970-0922 (408) 970-8630 Fax -----Original Message----- From: Borzou Azabdaftari To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 8:43 am Subject: [PrintOwners] Plate/Press Problem ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have fine text in the middle of a solid that's plugging in. We usually send out for metal plates to solve this probem, but this is for a client who is going to order a lot of business cards regularly, and we'd like to get it done with our current system. We have a DPX Genesis plate system, and a Ryobi 3302. Its a one color job, that we really should be able to run. We can set up fine, but after about 100 sheets the text starts plugging. These are all short runs (500 each), and, well, I really need to make it work. I'm open to ANY suggestion (fountain solution, pressure, anything). Thanks. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From liberty.printing at cox.net Mon Aug 11 12:06:17 2008 From: liberty.printing at cox.net (Tom Hodgkinson) Date: Mon Aug 11 12:06:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Plate/Press Problem References: Message-ID: <6CD82875FD66400D8DD7AE308A226CC6@XPPRO2> If you can get away with it, mix a darker shade of the color so you can run with less ink. Also if you have some binding varnish to shorten (stiffen) the ink with, try that. Wash the plate and blanket before each startup and wet the plate down with water/fountain solution before startup. Have sheets going through the press already when you drop the rollers and plate. And of course make sure your rollers are in good condition and set right. My 2cents worth. Tom Liberty Printing 401-828-0178 ----- Original Message ----- > > We have fine text in the middle of a solid that's plugging in. We usually > send out for metal plates to solve this probem, but this is for a client > who > is going to order a lot of business cards regularly, and we'd like to get > it > done with our current system. We have a DPX Genesis plate system, and a > Ryobi 3302. Its a one color job, that we really should be able to run. > We > can set up fine, but after about 100 sheets the text starts plugging. > These > are all short runs (500 each), and, well, I really need to make it work. > I'm open to ANY suggestion (fountain solution, pressure, anything). > Thanks. > > > Borzou Azabdaftari > Falcon Print and Copy > 1921 Gallows Road > Suite 150 > Vienna, VA 22182 > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon Aug 11 12:11:52 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 11 12:12:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Plate/Press Problem Message-ID: If you've got a 3302 and the job is all black, why not just simply run the fine text on one plate and the large solid black on the other plate? Yes, it will cost you an extra plate but you will be eliminating all the plugging issues, etc. and run the job fast! In a message dated 8/11/2008 12:02:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Tack reducer in your ink. It might affect your drying time (longer). Sounds like a metal plate job. Poly does have its limits. S. At 08:43 AM 8/11/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We have fine text in the middle of a solid that's plugging in. We usually >send out for metal plates to solve this probem, but this is for a client who >is going to order a lot of business cards regularly, and we'd like to get it >done with our current system. We have a DPX Genesis plate system, and a >Ryobi 3302. Its a one color job, that we really should be able to run. We >can set up fine, but after about 100 sheets the text starts plugging. These >are all short runs (500 each), and, well, I really need to make it work. >I'm open to ANY suggestion (fountain solution, pressure, anything). Thanks. > > >Borzou Azabdaftari >Falcon Print and Copy >1921 Gallows Road >Suite 150 >Vienna, VA 22182 >t.703.442.0124 >f.703.442.0134 >borzou@falconprintandcopy.com John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From greg at pressexpress.org Mon Aug 11 12:17:09 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon Aug 11 12:17:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Did you hear the one about . . . Message-ID: <3C356A26-F5C9-4BCD-BEFA-FC04713F0143@pressexpress.org> Several major retailers had a total of 40 million credit card numbers stolen. Guess what? Office Max is one of them and they did NOT make this information public to their customers until after the "cat was out of the bag" http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/05/card.fraud.charges/index.html?iref=newssearch With their Copy Max, they are indeed competitors of ours. When I am in a desperate pinch, I go over there for misc paper, spirals, etc... but only on an emergency basis, and guess what, I use our company debit card so I fear that I am a victim of this theft. I am not worried that some junkie will get my number and use it for a pair of Nike's, but rather I would imagine the these numbers might have been sold to Africa for their printing scheme that all of us are getting hit up on. Greg From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Mon Aug 11 12:18:18 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Mon Aug 11 12:18:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Plate/Press Problem In-Reply-To: <200808111556.m7BFuVGe055869@i2bnetworks.com> References: <006b01c8fbbe$89670fd0$01fea8c0@cumberla1> <200808111556.m7BFuVGe055869@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <947D43FA-5BC3-46C1-95B7-086DB21ED54F@bellsouth.net> Borzou, It sounds like a metal plate job to me as well. I have customers that I do the same for. I give them the price for orders with metal plates and negatives, and them give them a price going DTP if they wouldn't mind making the font bold (or at least a little bigger) so that it won't plug up. 100% of them have gone with the bigger/bolder type... Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:54 AM, Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Tack reducer in your ink. It might affect your drying time (longer). > > Sounds like a metal plate job. Poly does have its limits. > > S. > > > At 08:43 AM 8/11/2008, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> We have fine text in the middle of a solid that's plugging in. We >> usually >> send out for metal plates to solve this probem, but this is for a >> client who >> is going to order a lot of business cards regularly, and we'd like >> to get it >> done with our current system. We have a DPX Genesis plate system, >> and a >> Ryobi 3302. Its a one color job, that we really should be able to >> run. We >> can set up fine, but after about 100 sheets the text starts >> plugging. These >> are all short runs (500 each), and, well, I really need to make it >> work. >> I'm open to ANY suggestion (fountain solution, pressure, >> anything). Thanks. >> >> >> Borzou Azabdaftari >> Falcon Print and Copy >> 1921 Gallows Road >> Suite 150 >> Vienna, VA 22182 >> t.703.442.0124 >> f.703.442.0134 >> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3346 (20080811) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com Mon Aug 11 12:47:35 2008 From: Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com (Gerry Engelhart) Date: Mon Aug 11 12:47:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] how low do you go Message-ID: <006d01c8fbd1$f4f172a0$7000000a@Engelhart> My question is "how low should I be willing to go" the job is 254,000 Black and White 8.5 x 11 digital prints. 60 % is on colored #20 and the balance on white #20. These would be run on the K/M 1050 I am not sure how the others (both local guys) have computed their costs as this is an all consuming job with lots of surprises along the way, tons of staff time and a lot of work. I am sure that my competitors will understand once they get started Gerry Engelhart Porath Printsource Cleveland Ohio From robin at protypeonline.com Mon Aug 11 13:02:52 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Mon Aug 11 13:03:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HELP WANTED Message-ID: Printing Press Operator: Full, time-permanent, benefits, will train motivated individual. Must be able to stand for extended periods of time and lift up to 50lbs. regularly. press operator of 20 years gave me her notice last Friday. Said she will try to give me 4 weeks min. before leaving. Does not enjoy the type of work I am bringing over from new business -- tons of short run 2-color work. heck, we've got the QM46-2....also, she has a conflict with another key employee and last but not least, at age 37, she is having back problems and doesn't think she can continue lifting, loading paper. Soooo, here I sit swamped with old and new business. Just purchased a business 45 miles away and remodeling the building adjacent to me in Paxton so I can expand into it. And my one and only, extremely talented, productive press operator is leaving. Gas is $4/gallon and even lazy job applicants don't want to drive too far for a job. I'm 30 miles from closest "large town" where I might find a qualified and interested press operator. Any chance someone within one day of ups shipping and time available on your press would want to talk about me brokering tons of work while I get something going here again? We have lots of short run 2-color work and....just lots and lots of work. Lots of easy stuff also but quantity! HELP WANTED! robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon Aug 11 13:01:22 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon Aug 11 13:03:17 2008 Subject: Debit Cards (was Re: [PrintOwners] Did you hear the one about . . .) In-Reply-To: <3C356A26-F5C9-4BCD-BEFA-FC04713F0143@pressexpress.org> References: <3C356A26-F5C9-4BCD-BEFA-FC04713F0143@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: <200808111703.m7BH2xnp072793@i2bnetworks.com> Just a personal comment about debit cards. I don't use 'em. They're trouble, there is no protection like there is with credit cards. They're especially dangerous if you have them hooked into a business checking account where there can be substantial balances. I know what I have to do to keep my networks both at work and at home safe. Most people have no clue how vulnerable they can be. This latest story is about thieves driving around until they find a Wi-Fi network of a store that is vulnerable and can be infiltrated. in 2008 you may want to reconsider the use of your debit cards certainly for business use, and possibly for personal use as well. I would invite you to read the terms and conditions that most people just gloss over when establishing a debit card. It may shock you how little responsibility the bank has if you are hacked. S. At 09:17 AM 8/11/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Several major retailers had a total of 40 million credit card numbers >stolen. Guess what? Office Max is one of them and they did NOT make >this information public to their customers until after the "cat was >out of the bag" > >http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/05/card.fraud.charges/index.html?iref=newssearch > >With their Copy Max, they are indeed competitors of ours. When I am >in a desperate pinch, I go over there for misc paper, spirals, etc... >but only on an emergency basis, and guess what, I use our company >debit card so I fear that I am a victim of this theft. > >I am not worried that some junkie will get my number and use it for a >pair of Nike's, but rather I would imagine the these numbers might >have been sold to Africa for their printing scheme that all of us are >getting hit up on. > >Greg > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3346 (20080811) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From sos at olympus.net Mon Aug 11 13:08:19 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Aug 11 13:08:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Plate/Press Problem References: <006b01c8fbbe$89670fd0$01fea8c0@cumberla1><200808111556.m7BFuVGe055869@i2bnetworks.com> <947D43FA-5BC3-46C1-95B7-086DB21ED54F@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <01e701c8fbd4$da86b940$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > It sounds like a metal plate job to me as well. =================== I just trimmed out a set of business cards with a flood back, small reversed type. It printed just fine with Poly Plates from our DPX, on a Quickmaster. What Dennis said, check your stripes, packing or pressures, fountain Ph, the basics. It should be printable with poly. I would not recommend mixing the ink darker and then running the density lighter. That'd be a recipe for disaster on a repeat job. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From falconprinting at gmail.com Mon Aug 11 13:15:27 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Mon Aug 11 13:15:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Plate/Press Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: John: The text is just white, a knock out, so its gotta be run in/with the solid. Its filling in as we run. Dennis: We're still checking specs on everything, but we have a crestline dampening system. I may drop you a line for some further information. Everyone: Thanks for your suggestions. I'll let you know how it goes. I very much want to dodge the metal bullet, so I'll do some more experimenting before we get to it. Thanks, Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:11:52 EDT > To: > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Plate/Press Problem > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > If you've got a 3302 and the job is all black, why not just simply run the > fine text on one plate and the large solid black on the other plate? Yes, it > will cost you an extra plate but you will be eliminating all the plugging > issues, etc. and run the job fast! > > In a message dated 8/11/2008 12:02:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Tack reducer in your ink. It might affect your drying time (longer). > > Sounds like a metal plate job. Poly does have its limits. > > S. > > > At 08:43 AM 8/11/2008, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> We have fine text in the middle of a solid that's plugging in. We usually >> send out for metal plates to solve this probem, but this is for a client who >> is going to order a lot of business cards regularly, and we'd like to get it >> done with our current system. We have a DPX Genesis plate system, and a >> Ryobi 3302. Its a one color job, that we really should be able to run. We >> can set up fine, but after about 100 sheets the text starts plugging. These >> are all short runs (500 each), and, well, I really need to make it work. >> I'm open to ANY suggestion (fountain solution, pressure, anything). Thanks. >> >> >> Borzou Azabdaftari >> Falcon Print and Copy >> 1921 Gallows Road >> Suite 150 >> Vienna, VA 22182 >> t.703.442.0124 >> f.703.442.0134 >> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut0005000000001 > 7 ) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From Nancy at printingresources.com Mon Aug 11 13:21:33 2008 From: Nancy at printingresources.com (Nancy Dediemar) Date: Mon Aug 11 13:21:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Prices and Mailing Survey In-Reply-To: <008001c8fbc1$5b0037e0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> References: <002701c8fbb9$1b5b9f10$7000000a@Engelhart> <008001c8fbc1$5b0037e0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Message-ID: Mitch, As John Stewart pointed out, there is much less use of computer-based estimating systems in the mailing industry than in printing. (As an aside, I believe this is very likely due to the cost and availability of software -- I only know of two programs, and they are priced at $11,000 and $20,000 respectively). But here's something important to keep in mind: you are not competing with "the mailing industry" when you set your pricing. Just like with your printing business, your significant mailing customers -- the 25 or so that contribute up to 70% of your sales volume -- come to you for reasons other than pricing. So use the same strategy for pricing mailing services that you would use for printing. If the work is hand work (like manual bindery operations), then conceptually you'd have a small setup fee and a per-piece charge that wouldn't vary by quantity since there's no pickup of efficiency on handwork. You can probably use the same cost basis you use for pricing manual bindery operations. If the mailing is machine work, then it would have a setup fee + declining per-hour or per-M run charge to reflect increasing efficiency as quantity/run lengths are longer -- just like pricing folding or cutting or printing bindery machine operations. The mailing pricing survey is very useful as a comparison for the prices you derive on your own. But I wouldn't recommend using it as a guideline for what to charge or to assume those prices represent benchmark or standard pricing in the mailing industry. Use the mailing pricing survey just like you use the printing pricing survey -- be see the range of charges and understand where your pricing is within the range. Also, my experience with mailing industry prices is that their pricing compared to yours will probably be like your pricing compared to a trade bindery. Hope this helps. Nancy DeDiemar Printing Resources of Southern California 893 W 9th St, Upland, CA 91786 909/981-5715 phone 909/981-9396 FAX http://www.printingresources.com mailto:nancy@printingresources.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mitch Eaton Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 7:49 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Prices and Mailing Survey ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I've been working on some of the prices we charge for mailing services. I've been trying to make sense of the mailing survey and what people are charging locally for mailing jobs. Locally it seems that mail-houses do silly things. The silliest seems to be that they have minimum charges, and once the minimum is met, it's a per/m price for the job with a break in the per/m, if you do a large enough quantity. This logic seems to go against anything that I can figure (hey mr./mrs. Customer, we have all this processing and make-ready time to get your mailing ready to go but, since you're mailing quantity meets our minimum charge, we'll just give you all that start-up time, and just charge you the per/m price). They other thing I noticed was in the pricing survey. A lot of effort was made to get individual prices for most of the common mailing processes, however, when you look at the sample jobs that everyone priced (the postcard, self-mailer, and envelope mailing job), it appears that the pricing logic described above, or something like it, prevails with the survey participants as well. If you take the individual prices that would make up one of the sample jobs in the survey, (like the postcard sample consisting of List Set-up, CASS, Ink-Jet Letter, Sort/Bundle/Tray, Deliver to Post Office) and compare those prices to the Post Card sample job, the totaled individual prices are much higher than the sample jobs . . . by almost twice. Questions for the mailing guru's on the list . . . - Do you give away the set-up once a minimum is met? (We don't) - Do you have individual charges that make up your prices or do you have "job prices"? (We have individual prices.) - When you submitted your survey, would the individual prices for the different services, add up to the job samples in the survey? (Ours do.) - Since there is such a disparity in the totaled individual prices from the survey, and the sample job in the survey, do you find that your prices are more apt to follow the sample job, or the total of the individually priced services? (Ours follow more closely the sample jobs.) TIA Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bob at rjmprinting.com Mon Aug 11 13:29:17 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Mon Aug 11 13:29:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] how low do you go In-Reply-To: <006d01c8fbd1$f4f172a0$7000000a@Engelhart> Message-ID: We price these jobs to make money. If the customer is concerned about a low click rate, give them a low click rate but charge them for every single change, addition or surprise. Tell them upfront, this is for clean files, no changes, no additions etc. If you have changes or additions I'm sorry I will have to charge you. With every change or addition tell it is going to cost you $$. If they are concerned about total price, give them your price, if you lose the job this year, you may get it back next year. One strategy I have employed in the past is telling them that they will get a lower price somewhere else but since we understand the nature of the job we can get it done correctly and on-time. Then ask them what it would cost their business if this job is wrong when the receive it. This doesn't always work but its better then cutting your price and work too hard for too little money. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Engelhart Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:48 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] how low do you go ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** My question is "how low should I be willing to go" the job is 254,000 Black and White 8.5 x 11 digital prints. 60 % is on colored #20 and the balance on white #20. These would be run on the K/M 1050 I am not sure how the others (both local guys) have computed their costs as this is an all consuming job with lots of surprises along the way, tons of staff time and a lot of work. I am sure that my competitors will understand once they get started Gerry Engelhart Porath Printsource Cleveland Ohio _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon Aug 11 13:33:57 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 11 13:34:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Plate/Press Problem Message-ID: In a message dated 8/11/2008 1:22:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, falconprinting@gmail.com writes: John: The text is just white, a knock out, so its gotta be run in/with the solid. Its filling in as we run. Ok, I misunderstood. Here is another suggestion when there is a problem laying down a good solid. Make one plate of the image but make it at a 60-70% screen of the image. Then produce the second plate as normal. The demand for ink to produce a nice solid should be considerable less on the second plate and thus you may not have to flood the area so much as to start plugging the type. Another alternative after that is producing two identical plates. Set each one up in turn in that it is laying down a relatively smooth image but a bit light in density... i.e. the type should not be plugging in. Once that plate is set up, do the same with the second plate running it separately (just for setting up) at the same density as the first plate. Once both are combined on the common blanket the density should be what you want and yet the type should not be plugged in.... Yes, this calls for precise register between the two plates but it certainly is doable. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From dominick at fmtc.com Mon Aug 11 13:52:28 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Mon Aug 11 13:52:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] how low do you go In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A07C5C.7060202@fmtc.com> I had a customer like this once. Intimidated me every time he walked into the office, and he knew it. Always forced my price lower, because he knew he could. Finally after losing my shorts on one run for him, I could take no more. "Mark, this is my price, you know my quality and service, this is your price, I will not go lower." Since that time he was always nice, and never questioned the price again. Now he gets his work done out of state, because they always lower the price for him. Good riddance! Give this customer your best price that will make you money. That is why you have your own business. Ask yourself "should I work for free?" If the job is such a PIA, then without it you will have time for other work that may be more profitable. JMHO. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Engelhart > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:48 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] how low do you go > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > My question is "how low should I be willing to go" the job is 254,000 Black > and White 8.5 x 11 digital prints. > > 60 % is on colored #20 and the balance on white #20. These would be run on > the K/M 1050 > > I am not sure how the others (both local guys) have computed their costs as > this is an all consuming job with lots of surprises along the way, tons of > staff time and a lot of work. > > I am sure that my competitors will understand once they get started > > Gerry Engelhart > > Porath Printsource > > Cleveland Ohio > > From bherion at bucksdigital.com Mon Aug 11 14:10:56 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Mon Aug 11 14:11:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: how low do you go In-Reply-To: <20080811172927.50053102445B@rb.enter.net> References: <20080811172927.50053102445B@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080811140132.033c5c68@bucksdigital.com> At 01:29 PM 8/11/2008, Gerry Engelhart wrote: >My question is "how low should I be willing to go" the job is 254,000 Black >and White 8.5 x 11 digital prints. Bob Molacek's reply is dead on. In years past, I've bid and re-bid many jobs to which I had the 'insider's perspective'. Often, because we were the incumbent printer, we would off to write up the specs for the bid. This made certain we were apples to apples and believe me, even we were surprised at times as to what we did for the job / project. This about guaranteed our winning (and it was honest). For those bids that were put out by the client, we bid exactly as stated. You cannot second guess your customer nor your competitor. Just price the job as you normally would. In this case, if you give any special discounting, do it. If there are services you include without additional cost - state it. And then, remember Bob Molacek's advice and spell out what you are bidding. May the best win. Good luck! Bob Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From slb at inkspot.net Mon Aug 11 14:23:26 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Aug 11 14:23:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 242 Service Plan In-Reply-To: <49334.216.105.182.114.1218402397.squirrel@webmail.planttel.net> References: , <2F58248E-28BD-47CF-962B-FE0AD6978324@fuse.net>, <49334.216.105.182.114.1218402397.squirrel@webmail.planttel.net> Message-ID: <48A04B5E.3312.3B367E5@slb.inkspot.net> Have you spoken with Larry Hunt yet? I'm not sure about the 242, but our b/w digital has the click charge locked for 5 years. The initial click charge is a bit higher than Larry's lowest reports, but, if I figure that Xerox would probably raise the charges by anything up to 10% per year, I'll be anywhere from somewhat ahead to way ahead a year or two into the agreement. JAT, Steve > > > I have a proposal for a Xerox 242 lease with what I consider a great > Service Plan. > The plan is for a base charge of $0/month with click charges of .049/color > and .0129/B&W. > > I have been getting the run-around from Xerox on what the service would be > in future years. > > I would like to know what other printers have been promised by Xerox for > future years of service. > > > Ernest Lang > Lang Printing Co. > Tifton, GA 31794 > 229-382-4264 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3345 (20080811) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From greg at pressexpress.org Mon Aug 11 14:49:46 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon Aug 11 14:50:04 2008 Subject: Debit Cards (was Re: [PrintOwners] Did you hear the one about . . .) In-Reply-To: <200808111703.m7BH2xnp072793@i2bnetworks.com> References: <3C356A26-F5C9-4BCD-BEFA-FC04713F0143@pressexpress.org> <200808111703.m7BH2xnp072793@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <3A041611-5A71-4F3C-8B05-D5BD311EF3DC@pressexpress.org> Scott, Good advice Greg On Aug 11, 2008, at 12:01 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Just a personal comment about debit cards. > > I don't use 'em. > > They're trouble, there is no protection like there is with credit > cards. > > They're especially dangerous if you have them hooked into a business > checking account where there can be substantial balances. > > I know what I have to do to keep my networks both at work and at > home safe. Most people have no clue how vulnerable they can be. > > This latest story is about thieves driving around until they find a > Wi-Fi network of a store that is vulnerable and can be infiltrated. > > in 2008 you may want to reconsider the use of your debit cards > certainly for business use, and possibly for personal use as well. > > I would invite you to read the terms and conditions that most people > just gloss over when establishing a debit card. > > It may shock you how little responsibility the bank has if you are > hacked. > > S. > > > At 09:17 AM 8/11/2008, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Several major retailers had a total of 40 million credit card numbers >> stolen. Guess what? Office Max is one of them and they did NOT make >> this information public to their customers until after the "cat was >> out of the bag" >> >> http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/05/card.fraud.charges/index.html?iref=newssearch >> >> With their Copy Max, they are indeed competitors of ours. When I am >> in a desperate pinch, I go over there for misc paper, spirals, etc... >> but only on an emergency basis, and guess what, I use our company >> debit card so I fear that I am a victim of this theft. >> >> I am not worried that some junkie will get my number and use it for a >> pair of Nike's, but rather I would imagine the these numbers might >> have been sold to Africa for their printing scheme that all of us are >> getting hit up on. >> >> Greg >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3346 (20080811) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From dominick at fmtc.com Mon Aug 11 15:27:54 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Mon Aug 11 15:28:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 242 Service Plan In-Reply-To: <49274.216.105.182.114.1218454693.squirrel@webmail.planttel.net> References: <49274.216.105.182.114.1218454693.squirrel@webmail.planttel.net> Message-ID: <48A092BA.80405@fmtc.com> I would like to know how many clicks per month this includes. I bought a X-252 for $24,000 which includes the finisher (not booklet-maker) and clicks are .059 color and .009 black no minimums. (and 11 x 17 one click). I put the price on a 24 month bank note, and will cost me $26,500 when paid off. We are on a schedule to have it paid in 18 months. Much better than a lease. Plus to lock yourself into a machine for 5 years is a problem. With technology changes, there will be fantastic stuff in the next 2 years. (I have been there done that, and lost a bunch of money). Plus if your lease price includes clicks, your price if much higher per click if you do not make the minimum clicks. Also had this problem. Just some thoughts to help. Check with your bank about rates. Might be around 6%.... Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com ernlang@planttel.net wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > The monthly payment on the 242 is $736.87 on a 60 month FMV lease. > This is based on a $38,295 purchase price. > > Ernest Lang > Lang Printing Co. > 229-382-4264 > > > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> How many years Lease and Monthly Payment is? >> Steve >> >> >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1604 - Release Date: 8/11/2008 5:50 AM > > > > From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Mon Aug 11 16:03:44 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (Larry Taylor) Date: Mon Aug 11 16:03:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Was purse snatching - now armed robbery Message-ID: So...a purse snatching just took place at the business next door to our printshop an hour ago. At least it looked like that to me. The bad guy was out front, putting something under his arm, while the woman was reaching and tugging for it. Then she screamed some blood curdling words. She continued screaming. The guy took off running with the lady (in her 50's) in hot pursuit. That was enough to peak my curiosity, so I took off running...more like jogging after both of them down the street....across the 8 lane blvd. in front of our shop, down the other side of the street another block, left turn down an alley 3 more blocks, yelling at the perp words I learned.... in the Navy. He finally drops the object from under his arm, and keeps on trucking w/me in hot...I'm talking really hot and humid....pursuit. In reality I'm just jogging, but trying to at least keep an eye on him. 911's on my cell phone and I was hoping someone else called it in, too, cuz I couldn't talk and run. He jumped into a culvert thick with weeds. A moment later, I got there...can't see him. I was at least 50 yards behind him and it really ticked me off that I lost him in the bush. So, I'm scanning for him like you do when glassing on a hunt........ Next thing, 800 cop cars converge and that was that. Well, it seemed like 800. Turns out it was an armed robbery, not a purse snatching. He grabbed the cash box, not a purse while holding a knife to her. (Man, she's got some kind of guts to do what she did!) So, as I mentioned to my CSR's upon return: Tactical gun training for everyone. Don't let the bad guys get a dollar from our cash register, as a bullet only costs 35 cents...... Fun stuff..... Larry Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 85711 www.theshackbook.com I challenge you to move past your fear From info at desktopsxm.com Mon Aug 11 16:16:49 2008 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Mon Aug 11 16:17:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Was purse snatching - now armed robbery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: He must have been running for his life. And you were just jogging. How old are you? Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten Tel 542-4044 fax 543-1100 "The Printshop with a Difference" On Aug 11, 2008, at 4:03 PM, Larry Taylor wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > So...a purse snatching just took place at the business next door to > our printshop an hour ago. > At least it looked like that to me. > > The bad guy was out front, putting something under his arm, while > the woman was > reaching and tugging for it. Then she screamed some blood curdling > words. > > She continued screaming. The guy took off running with the lady (in > her 50's) in hot > pursuit. > > That was enough to peak my curiosity, so I took off running...more > like jogging > after both of them down the street....across the 8 lane blvd. in > front of our shop, > down the other side of the street another block, left turn down an > alley 3 more > blocks, yelling at the perp words I learned.... in the Navy. > > He finally drops the object from under his arm, and keeps on > trucking w/me in hot...I'm talking > really hot and humid....pursuit. In reality I'm just jogging, but > trying to at least keep an eye on him. > > 911's on my cell phone and I was hoping someone else called it in, > too, cuz I couldn't talk and run. > > He jumped into a culvert thick with weeds. A moment later, I got > there...can't see him. I was at least 50 yards behind him and it > really ticked me off that I lost him in the bush. So, I'm scanning > for him like you do when glassing on a hunt........ > > Next thing, 800 cop cars converge and that was that. Well, it > seemed like 800. > > Turns out it was an armed robbery, not a purse snatching. He > grabbed the cash box, not a purse > while holding a knife to her. (Man, she's got some kind of guts to > do what she did!) > > So, as I mentioned to my CSR's upon return: Tactical gun training > for everyone. Don't let the bad guys get a dollar from our cash > register, as a bullet only costs 35 cents...... > > Fun stuff..... > > Larry > > Larry Taylor > Desert Pacific Printing > Tucson, AZ 85711 > > > www.theshackbook.com > I challenge you to move past your fear > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From char at themasterspress.com Mon Aug 11 16:28:00 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Mon Aug 11 16:28:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Was purse snatching - now armed robbery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Larry you are funny and crazy. I am glad you are OK. Glad the cops got there but you didn't say whether they got the robber. How about ......the rest of the story. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Larry Taylor Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:04 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Was purse snatching - now armed robbery ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** So...a purse snatching just took place at the business next door to our printshop an hour ago. At least it looked like that to me. The bad guy was out front, putting something under his arm, while the woman was reaching and tugging for it. Then she screamed some blood curdling words. She continued screaming. The guy took off running with the lady (in her 50's) in hot pursuit. That was enough to peak my curiosity, so I took off running...more like jogging after both of them down the street....across the 8 lane blvd. in front of our shop, down the other side of the street another block, left turn down an alley 3 more blocks, yelling at the perp words I learned.... in the Navy. He finally drops the object from under his arm, and keeps on trucking w/me in hot...I'm talking really hot and humid....pursuit. In reality I'm just jogging, but trying to at least keep an eye on him. 911's on my cell phone and I was hoping someone else called it in, too, cuz I couldn't talk and run. He jumped into a culvert thick with weeds. A moment later, I got there...can't see him. I was at least 50 yards behind him and it really ticked me off that I lost him in the bush. So, I'm scanning for him like you do when glassing on a hunt........ Next thing, 800 cop cars converge and that was that. Well, it seemed like 800. Turns out it was an armed robbery, not a purse snatching. He grabbed the cash box, not a purse while holding a knife to her. (Man, she's got some kind of guts to do what she did!) So, as I mentioned to my CSR's upon return: Tactical gun training for everyone. Don't let the bad guys get a dollar from our cash register, as a bullet only costs 35 cents...... Fun stuff..... Larry Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 85711 www.theshackbook.com I challenge you to move past your fear _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3346 (20080811) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3346 (20080811) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From ernlang at planttel.net Mon Aug 11 16:41:11 2008 From: ernlang at planttel.net (ernlang@planttel.net) Date: Mon Aug 11 16:36:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 242 Service Plan In-Reply-To: <48A04B5E.3312.3B367E5@slb.inkspot.net> References: , <2F58248E-28BD-47CF-962B-FE0AD6978324@fuse.net>, <49334.216.105.182.114.1218402397.squirrel@webmail.planttel.net> <48A04B5E.3312.3B367E5@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <49603.216.105.182.114.1218487271.squirrel@webmail.planttel.net> I did use Larry Hunt in getting a good price on the Xerox 242 copier. I have a good price for service in the first year but no guarantee for future years. I just don't know what to expect out of them for future service. Thats the part that bothers me the most. I know they will not come down but just how much will they go up? I have a good price on the Ikon CPP650 (KM6500) with a lock on the service for up to three years. The Ikon sales rep thanks he can get a lock on service for the 5 year duration of the lease if I go that route. Ernest Lang Lang Printing Co. 229-382-4264 > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Have you spoken with Larry Hunt yet? > > I'm not sure about the 242, but our b/w digital has the click charge > locked for 5 years. The initial click charge is a bit higher than > Larry's lowest reports, but, if I figure that Xerox would probably > raise the charges by anything up to 10% per year, I'll be anywhere > from somewhat ahead to way ahead a year or two into the agreement. > > JAT, > Steve > Ernest Lang Lang Printing Co. Tifton, GA 31794 229-382-4264 From tomk at kingprintingonline.com Mon Aug 11 16:36:30 2008 From: tomk at kingprintingonline.com (Tom King) Date: Mon Aug 11 16:36:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 40" x 10" Magnetic Sign Source Message-ID: <001301c8fbf1$ef988760$cec99620$@com> Customer - a bus company - wants about twenty 40" x 10" magnetic signs for their buses. I can't find anyone who will do them that big. Any advice? Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From falconprinting at gmail.com Mon Aug 11 16:53:39 2008 From: falconprinting at gmail.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Mon Aug 11 16:53:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 242 Service Plan In-Reply-To: <49603.216.105.182.114.1218487271.squirrel@webmail.planttel.net> Message-ID: In my experience with Xerox they'll put a ceiling on the increase. Say no more than 10% or so a year. Expect it to go up, but probably at closer to half the rate of the ceiling. Especially when a newer machine comes out (the 700, for example), they'll get tired of servicing yours, and raise your click rates until you get a new machine. This has begun to backfire slightly as people tend to get non-Xerox machine, but they hope the 700'll bridge that gap for them. Which it might. If there's no ceiling in your contract, I'd be very, very nervous. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:41:11 -0400 (EDT) > To: > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Xerox 242 Service Plan > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > I did use Larry Hunt in getting a good price on the Xerox 242 copier. I > have a good price for service in the first year but no guarantee for > future years. I just don't know what to expect out of them for future > service. Thats the part that bothers me the most. I know they will not > come down but just how much will they go up? > > I have a good price on the Ikon CPP650 (KM6500) with a lock on the service > for up to three years. The Ikon sales rep thanks he can get a lock on > service for the 5 year duration of the lease if I go that route. > > Ernest Lang > Lang Printing Co. > 229-382-4264 > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Have you spoken with Larry Hunt yet? >> >> I'm not sure about the 242, but our b/w digital has the click charge >> locked for 5 years. The initial click charge is a bit higher than >> Larry's lowest reports, but, if I figure that Xerox would probably >> raise the charges by anything up to 10% per year, I'll be anywhere >> from somewhat ahead to way ahead a year or two into the agreement. >> >> JAT, >> Steve >> > > Ernest Lang > Lang Printing Co. > Tifton, GA 31794 > 229-382-4264 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From slb at inkspot.net Mon Aug 11 17:01:13 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Aug 11 17:01:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Was purse snatching - now armed robbery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A07059.19112.443DC24@slb.inkspot.net> My older son (the EMT) refers to unfortunate accidents with high- speed lead projectiles as "lead poisoning," but justifiable shooting of a perp as "lead therapy." Steve > > So...a purse snatching just took place at the business next door to our > printshop an hour ago. > At least it looked like that to me. > > The bad guy was out front, putting something under his arm, while the woman > was > reaching and tugging for it. Then she screamed some blood curdling words. > > She continued screaming. The guy took off running with the lady (in her > 50's) in hot > pursuit. > > That was enough to peak my curiosity, so I took off running...more like > jogging > after both of them down the street....across the 8 lane blvd. in front of > our shop, > down the other side of the street another block, left turn down an alley 3 > more > blocks, yelling at the perp words I learned.... in the Navy. > > He finally drops the object from under his arm, and keeps on trucking w/me > in hot...I'm talking > really hot and humid....pursuit. In reality I'm just jogging, but trying to > at least keep an eye on him. > > 911's on my cell phone and I was hoping someone else called it in, too, cuz > I couldn't talk and run. > > He jumped into a culvert thick with weeds. A moment later, I got > there...can't see him. I was at least 50 yards behind him and it really > ticked me off that I lost him in the bush. So, I'm scanning > for him like you do when glassing on a hunt........ > > Next thing, 800 cop cars converge and that was that. Well, it seemed like > 800. > > Turns out it was an armed robbery, not a purse snatching. He grabbed the > cash box, not a purse > while holding a knife to her. (Man, she's got some kind of guts to do what > she did!) > > So, as I mentioned to my CSR's upon return: Tactical gun training for > everyone. Don't let the bad guys get a dollar from our cash register, as a > bullet only costs 35 cents...... > > Fun stuff..... > > Larry > > Larry Taylor > Desert Pacific Printing > Tucson, AZ 85711 > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Mon Aug 11 17:03:05 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Mon Aug 11 17:03:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Off - Need Used/Refurbished Mac Laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0DFAF440-E127-4646-A9C9-094327AD64A1@bellsouth.net> My mother was in the process of buying a refurbished laptop as a graduation gift for my nephew who starts college this fall. No way he is in a position to buy one. She was going to buy the following model from www.macofalltrades.com for $449 plus shippiing. apple G4/1.0GHz 14" IBook I asked her to let me check them out first. Most obvious problem was they had no phone numbers to contact them on. OK, just checked again, and they have a prepurchase inquiry number below, but post-purchase inquiries are handled initially by email. Not too sure I like that. Please direct pre-purchase inquiries to 813-925-1181 8:00AM to 4:00PM EST Monday - Friday. Post-purchase inquiries are initially handled via email through the form below for documentation and quality assurance purposes I did a quick search about comments on the company and found mostly negative comments. But in fairness, just found a few and they were from 2004. Regardless, I am getting ready to look to see what other vendors are out there and check out their reputation. Anyone have a trusted source for refurbished Mac laptops similar to the above? Does anyone have an older laptop in good working order they wish to sell? Any help would be appreciated! Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 From stalprint at charter.net Mon Aug 11 17:13:38 2008 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Mon Aug 11 17:14:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 40" x 10" Magnetic Sign Source In-Reply-To: <001301c8fbf1$ef988760$cec99620$@com> References: <001301c8fbf1$ef988760$cec99620$@com> Message-ID: <48A0AB82.80505@charter.net> Think one of my customers can Try Patrick at http://www.assurancesigndisplay.com/ Tom King wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Customer - a bus company - wants about twenty 40" x 10" magnetic signs for >their buses. I can't find anyone who will do them that big. Any advice? > > >Tom King >King Printing >1305 W. College Ave. >State College, PA 16801 >Phone: 814-238-2536 >Fax: 814-237-5238 >Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Mon Aug 11 17:33:43 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (Larry Taylor) Date: Mon Aug 11 17:33:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Explain color printing differences Message-ID: Hello.......I'm looking for a quick and precise way to explain to customers why color printing looks different from different online printers, laser printers, you know, the usual color question.....and why 'what they see on the screen' comes out different than they expect. I'd like to keep it as simple and non technical as possible. The question comes up more and more, and now we have an engineer/designer wanting to know, and you know how engineers want to know each and every detail, regardless if they do anything with it. I brought it to the point where I told him humans see color 600 different ways, and still he's hammering away. I would like to put this to bed once and for all.... Any help would be appreciated. Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 85711 www.theshackbook.com The book that really opened my eyes. From cahill at bizprint.com Mon Aug 11 17:40:23 2008 From: cahill at bizprint.com (Cahill@bizprint.com) Date: Mon Aug 11 17:40:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Off - Need Used/Refurbished Mac Laptop In-Reply-To: <0DFAF440-E127-4646-A9C9-094327AD64A1@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: www.shrevesystems.com Or try looking in the back of a macworld magazine. -- Cahill Jones BizPrint Boise, Idaho > From: Ben Travis > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:03:05 -0400 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: [PrintOwners] Off - Need Used/Refurbished Mac Laptop > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > My mother was in the process of buying a refurbished laptop as a > graduation gift for my nephew who starts college this fall. No way he > is in a position to buy one. > > She was going to buy the following model from www.macofalltrades.com > for $449 plus shippiing. > > apple G4/1.0GHz 14" IBook > > I asked her to let me check them out first. Most obvious problem was > they had no phone numbers to contact them on. OK, just checked again, > and they have a prepurchase inquiry number below, but post-purchase > inquiries are handled initially by email. Not too sure I like that. > > Please direct pre-purchase inquiries to 813-925-1181 8:00AM to 4:00PM > EST Monday - Friday. Post-purchase inquiries are initially handled via > email through the form below for documentation and quality assurance > purposes > > I did a quick search about comments on the company and found mostly > negative comments. But in fairness, just found a few and they were > from 2004. > > Regardless, I am getting ready to look to see what other vendors are > out there and check out their reputation. > > Anyone have a trusted source for refurbished Mac laptops similar to > the above? > > Does anyone have an older laptop in good working order they wish to > sell? > > Any help would be appreciated! > > Thanks, > > > > Ben Travis > > Copy Express > 4004-A South Blvd. > Charlotte, NC 20209 > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net > 704-527-1750 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com Mon Aug 11 17:48:49 2008 From: jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com (Jim Quinn) Date: Mon Aug 11 17:50:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Was purse snatching - now armed robbery In-Reply-To: <48A07059.19112.443DC24@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: I saw an inscription on a tombstone in a western tourist town that said, "Here lies _____, came looking for gold but found lead" Jim Quinn Sir Speedy 4043 15323 Midway Road Addison, TX 75001 Phone 972-788-4266 Fax 972-788-2367 jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 4:01 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Was purse snatching - now armed robbery ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** My older son (the EMT) refers to unfortunate accidents with high- speed lead projectiles as "lead poisoning," but justifiable shooting of a perp as "lead therapy." Steve > > So...a purse snatching just took place at the business next door to our > printshop an hour ago. > At least it looked like that to me. > > The bad guy was out front, putting something under his arm, while the woman > was > reaching and tugging for it. Then she screamed some blood curdling words. > > She continued screaming. The guy took off running with the lady (in her > 50's) in hot > pursuit. > > That was enough to peak my curiosity, so I took off running...more like > jogging > after both of them down the street....across the 8 lane blvd. in front of > our shop, > down the other side of the street another block, left turn down an alley 3 > more > blocks, yelling at the perp words I learned.... in the Navy. > > He finally drops the object from under his arm, and keeps on trucking w/me > in hot...I'm talking > really hot and humid....pursuit. In reality I'm just jogging, but trying to > at least keep an eye on him. > > 911's on my cell phone and I was hoping someone else called it in, too, cuz > I couldn't talk and run. > > He jumped into a culvert thick with weeds. A moment later, I got > there...can't see him. I was at least 50 yards behind him and it really > ticked me off that I lost him in the bush. So, I'm scanning > for him like you do when glassing on a hunt........ > > Next thing, 800 cop cars converge and that was that. Well, it seemed like > 800. > > Turns out it was an armed robbery, not a purse snatching. He grabbed the > cash box, not a purse > while holding a knife to her. (Man, she's got some kind of guts to do what > she did!) > > So, as I mentioned to my CSR's upon return: Tactical gun training for > everyone. Don't let the bad guys get a dollar from our cash register, as a > bullet only costs 35 cents...... > > Fun stuff..... > > Larry > > Larry Taylor > Desert Pacific Printing > Tucson, AZ 85711 > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Mon Aug 11 17:57:02 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Aug 11 17:57:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Explain color printing differences References: Message-ID: <028001c8fbfd$2f9b3e60$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Ask them if they've ever gone to a TV store and looked at a whole bank of TVs all playing the same program and each and every one with a slightly different tone to the picture. Depends, is it Plasma, LCD, Tube, Projector? Now imagine printing a picture, ink jet, laser, plates and press, it's just going to be different. Unless they are in a carefully calibrated, characterized, color managed workflow. If they are interested you can start telling them about the different color spaces, RGB light, CMYK ink, with ICC profiles to convert from one to the other, LAB and Pantone Spot Colors. IF they are still interested recommend a good book, Like Understanding Color Management by Abhay Sharma, or Real World Color Management by Chris Murphy. You can pull out your spectrodensitometer and show them a few density scans and dot gain (TVI) scans and really baffle them. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon Aug 11 17:58:00 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Mon Aug 11 17:58:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 242 Service Plan In-Reply-To: References: <49603.216.105.182.114.1218487271.squirrel@webmail.planttel.net> Message-ID: <017201c8fbfd$529d5740$6401a8c0@coranew> I got my CPC contract from OCE for 3 years with a 3% increase the next two years. I thought that was fair so didn't fight them for any more. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Mon Aug 11 17:57:03 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Mon Aug 11 17:58:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Off - Need Used/Refurbished Mac Laptop In-Reply-To: <20080811213353.DEC6D1024C7F@rb.enter.net> References: <20080811213353.DEC6D1024C7F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Apple OEM refurbished machines come with a warranty. Or for those that like l o n g signatures : http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/9544004/wo/rW29UyW9kIbi2b89Es7gRUhbgT9/2.0.0.26.9.5.7.1.1.1.1 Using the above link reveals: Refurbished MacBook 2.1GHz Intel Core 2 Duo - White 13.3-inch glossy widescreen display 1GB memory 120GB hard drive Combo drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW) Built-in iSight camera ? Save 19% off the original price Original price: $1,099.00 Your price: $899.00 Estimated Ship: Within 24 hours Free Shipping > My mother was in the process of buying a refurbished laptop as a > graduation gift for my nephew who starts college this fall. No way > he is in a position to buy one. > > She was going to buy the following model from www.macofalltrades.com > for $449 plus shippiing. > > apple G4/1.0GHz 14" IBook Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon Aug 11 17:58:36 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon Aug 11 18:00:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Explain color printing differences In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200808112200.m7BM0DOs042788@i2bnetworks.com> When you walk into a TV store the colors of the same show all look a little different. So, not all monitors will look the same. When you print a document out to three different color printers in your office, they all look a little different. So, not all printers will look the same. Its not about humans seeing color different, its about devices expressing color different. S. At 02:33 PM 8/11/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >Hello.......I'm looking for a quick and precise way to explain to >customers why color >printing looks different from different online printers, laser >printers, you know, the usual color question.....and why 'what they >see on the screen' comes out different than they expect. > >I'd like to keep it as simple and non technical as possible. The >question comes up more and more, and now we have an >engineer/designer wanting to know, and you know how engineers want >to know each and every detail, regardless if they do anything with >it. I brought it to the point where I told him humans see color 600 >different ways, and still he's hammering away. > >I would like to put this to bed once and for all.... > >Any help would be appreciated. > > >Larry Taylor >Desert Pacific Printing >Tucson, AZ 85711 > > >www.theshackbook.com > >The book that really opened my eyes. > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3346 (20080811) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From dominick at fmtc.com Mon Aug 11 18:05:30 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Mon Aug 11 18:05:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Off - Need Used/Refurbished Mac Laptop In-Reply-To: <0DFAF440-E127-4646-A9C9-094327AD64A1@bellsouth.net> References: <0DFAF440-E127-4646-A9C9-094327AD64A1@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <48A0B7AA.5070804@fmtc.com> The main thing to find out on this machine is the year of origin. Some G4's are already 3-4 years old. So the HD is already spun out. The one I bought (somewhere else) lasted only 6 months. HD died, video card went weird. (Anybody need a keyboard). That is the only thing left that is good.... Being gun shy now, I will only buy new or closeout models. Just a thought. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ben Travis wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > My mother was in the process of buying a refurbished laptop as a > graduation gift for my nephew who starts college this fall. No way he > is in a position to buy one. > > She was going to buy the following model from www.macofalltrades.com > for $449 plus shippiing. > > apple G4/1.0GHz 14" IBook > > I asked her to let me check them out first. Most obvious problem was > they had no phone numbers to contact them on. OK, just checked again, > and they have a prepurchase inquiry number below, but post-purchase > inquiries are handled initially by email. Not too sure I like that. > > Please direct pre-purchase inquiries to 813-925-1181 8:00AM to 4:00PM > EST Monday - Friday. Post-purchase inquiries are initially handled via > email through the form below for documentation and quality assurance > purposes > > I did a quick search about comments on the company and found mostly > negative comments. But in fairness, just found a few and they were > from 2004. > > Regardless, I am getting ready to look to see what other vendors are > out there and check out their reputation. > > Anyone have a trusted source for refurbished Mac laptops similar to > the above? > > Does anyone have an older laptop in good working order they wish to sell? > > Any help would be appreciated! > > Thanks, > > > > Ben Travis > > Copy Express > 4004-A South Blvd. > Charlotte, NC 20209 > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net > 704-527-1750 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.comVersion: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: > 270.6.0/1604 - Release Date: 8/11/2008 5:50 AM > > > From dominick at fmtc.com Mon Aug 11 18:06:57 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Mon Aug 11 18:07:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Explain color printing differences In-Reply-To: <028001c8fbfd$2f9b3e60$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <028001c8fbfd$2f9b3e60$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <48A0B801.1020301@fmtc.com> Nice one Dan... Like the simplicity! Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Ask them if they've ever gone to a TV store and looked at a whole bank > of TVs all playing the same program and each and every one with a > slightly different tone to the picture. Depends, is it Plasma, LCD, > Tube, Projector? > Now imagine printing a picture, ink jet, laser, plates and press, it's > just going to be different. > > Unless they are in a carefully calibrated, characterized, color > managed workflow. > > If they are interested you can start telling them about the different > color spaces, RGB light, CMYK ink, with ICC profiles to convert from > one to the other, LAB and Pantone Spot Colors. > > IF they are still interested recommend a good book, Like Understanding > Color Management by Abhay Sharma, or Real World Color Management by > Chris Murphy. > > You can pull out your spectrodensitometer and show them a few density > scans and dot gain (TVI) scans and really baffle them. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: > 270.6.0/1604 - Release Date: 8/11/2008 5:50 AM > > > From dominick at fmtc.com Mon Aug 11 18:18:06 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Mon Aug 11 18:18:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Speaking of Macs Message-ID: <48A0BA9E.1020307@fmtc.com> Need a little help. Been trying to find out how to make a Mac Mini, wireless. Cannot find anything that explains what "card" or what is needed. Simply need the machine to access internet thru wireless, like a laptop. Anybody got a link or can explain what is needed? Has to be simple, 'cause it's a Mac! Do I need an Airport, and what else??? Thanks in advance, many times experience is better than the internet... Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Mon Aug 11 18:38:45 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (Larry Taylor) Date: Mon Aug 11 18:39:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] it was a fun chase Message-ID: Glad the cops got there but you didn't say whether they got the robber. How about ......the rest of the story. ch Charlene Sims ____________________________________________________________________________ Hey Char........I haven't taken the time to find out. A bunch of cops were dusting her place for prints, and asking us/me a few questions, but I don't know if he's been caught. I prefer the hunt and not the kill anyway.....so to speak. She closed up her store for the day and went home. I was jogging, because I've run over 15,000 miles the past 25 years, and my knees are killing me if I run too long. Still, it was a fun chase. I'd do it again. Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 85711 www.theshackbook.com From printer at ptialaska.net Mon Aug 11 18:45:41 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Mon Aug 11 18:45:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Off - Need Used/Refurbished Mac Laptop In-Reply-To: <48A0B7AA.5070804@fmtc.com> References: <0DFAF440-E127-4646-A9C9-094327AD64A1@bellsouth.net> <48A0B7AA.5070804@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <3C818566-D396-4C10-B8F1-A4B09B9A8FBD@ptialaska.net> On Aug 11, 2008, at 2:05 PM, Dominick's Printing wrote: >> >> My mother was in the process of buying a refurbished laptop as a >> graduation gift for my nephew who starts college this fall. No way >> he is in a position to buy one. >> >> She was going to buy the following model from >> www.macofalltrades.com for $449 plus shippiing. REPLY: College students are eligible for a macbook for $1099 AND they get a $300 ipod touch for free. Just go to the apple site and click on store. You will then see a promo for college students (buy through the education store). _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From char at themasterspress.com Mon Aug 11 18:54:41 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Mon Aug 11 18:54:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 242 Service Plan In-Reply-To: <49603.216.105.182.114.1218487271.squirrel@webmail.planttel.net> References: , <2F58248E-28BD-47CF-962B-FE0AD6978324@fuse.net>, <49334.216.105.182.114.1218402397.squirrel@webmail.planttel.net><48A04B5E.3312.3B367E5@slb.inkspot.net> <49603.216.105.182.114.1218487271.squirrel@webmail.planttel.net> Message-ID: <18D3B07ECB9C4923812495B71BAA44A1@CharXP> I hate to sound like a broken record :-) but just in case you have not seen any posts before on this, be sure you compare it to the NAQP contract. They do give a guaranteed lock on service for 5 years on the 6500 Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of ernlang@planttel.net Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:41 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Xerox 242 Service Plan ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I did use Larry Hunt in getting a good price on the Xerox 242 copier. I have a good price for service in the first year but no guarantee for future years. I just don't know what to expect out of them for future service. Thats the part that bothers me the most. I know they will not come down but just how much will they go up? I have a good price on the Ikon CPP650 (KM6500) with a lock on the service for up to three years. The Ikon sales rep thanks he can get a lock on service for the 5 year duration of the lease if I go that route. Ernest Lang Lang Printing Co. 229-382-4264 > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Have you spoken with Larry Hunt yet? > > I'm not sure about the 242, but our b/w digital has the click charge > locked for 5 years. The initial click charge is a bit higher than > Larry's lowest reports, but, if I figure that Xerox would probably > raise the charges by anything up to 10% per year, I'll be anywhere > from somewhat ahead to way ahead a year or two into the agreement. > > JAT, > Steve > Ernest Lang Lang Printing Co. Tifton, GA 31794 229-382-4264 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3346 (20080811) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3347 (20080811) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From sundance_print at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 19:34:48 2008 From: sundance_print at yahoo.com (Wes Cornwell) Date: Mon Aug 11 19:35:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Off - Need Used/Refurbished Mac Laptop Message-ID: <691791.10822.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I love Macs but I'd rather buy a $600 PC laptop new than a $450 Mac that was used. Just the battery alone is enough to make turn a laptop into a paperweight if it doesn't work right. If he's going to college, he needs Word and firefox and mostly stuff that PC's do well. Buy him a Dell laptop with a warranty. You'll be a lot happier. Wes Cornwell Sundance Printing 10240 Progress Lane Parker, CO 80134 303-841-3094 ----- Original Message ---- From: Ben Travis To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:03:05 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Off - Need Used/Refurbished Mac Laptop ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** My mother was in the process of buying a refurbished laptop as a graduation gift for my nephew who starts college this fall. No way he is in a position to buy one. She was going to buy the following model from www.macofalltrades.com for $449 plus shippiing. apple G4/1.0GHz 14" IBook I asked her to let me check them out first. Most obvious problem was they had no phone numbers to contact them on. OK, just checked again, and they have a prepurchase inquiry number below, but post-purchase inquiries are handled initially by email. Not too sure I like that. Please direct pre-purchase inquiries to 813-925-1181 8:00AM to 4:00PM EST Monday - Friday. Post-purchase inquiries are initially handled via email through the form below for documentation and quality assurance purposes I did a quick search about comments on the company and found mostly negative comments. But in fairness, just found a few and they were from 2004. Regardless, I am getting ready to look to see what other vendors are out there and check out their reputation. Anyone have a trusted source for refurbished Mac laptops similar to the above? Does anyone have an older laptop in good working order they wish to sell? Any help would be appreciated! Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon Aug 11 19:39:21 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon Aug 11 19:41:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Speaking of Macs In-Reply-To: <48A0BA9E.1020307@fmtc.com> References: <48A0BA9E.1020307@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <200808112341.m7BNewAf062692@i2bnetworks.com> The Mac Mini should have wireless built in. You just need an Airport (preferred) or other wireless router to access your network. And of course you need to configure your Mini. S. At 03:18 PM 8/11/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Need a little help. Been trying to find out how to make a Mac Mini, >wireless. Cannot find anything that explains what "card" or what is needed. > >Simply need the machine to access internet thru wireless, like a laptop. > >Anybody got a link or can explain what is needed? Has to be simple, >'cause it's a Mac! > >Do I need an Airport, and what else??? > >Thanks in advance, many times experience is better than the internet... > >Joe Dominick > >Dominick's Quality Printing >542 W. Idaho Avenue >Ontario Oregon 97914 >541.881.1121 >Fax 541.881.1599 > >www.dominicksprinting.com >dominick@fmtc.com >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3347 (20080811) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon Aug 11 20:24:57 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon Aug 11 20:27:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 242 Service Plan In-Reply-To: <18D3B07ECB9C4923812495B71BAA44A1@CharXP> References: <2F58248E-28BD-47CF-962B-FE0AD6978324@fuse.net> <49334.216.105.182.114.1218402397.squirrel@webmail.planttel.net> <48A04B5E.3312.3B367E5@slb.inkspot.net> <49603.216.105.182.114.1218487271.squirrel@webmail.planttel.net> <18D3B07ECB9C4923812495B71BAA44A1@CharXP> Message-ID: <200808120026.m7C0QYmm070124@i2bnetworks.com> As a second endorsement of the NAP contract: We've bought a C500 and a loaded C6500 under the NAQP contract, and we'll probably be buying another in the near future. You can waste a lot of time shopping around but the NAQP contract is a very fair deal and many of us have found it to be the best overall offering in the marketplace. S. At 03:54 PM 8/11/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I hate to sound like a broken record :-) but just in case you have not seen >any posts before on this, be sure you compare it to the NAQP contract. They >do give a guaranteed lock on service for 5 years on the 6500 > > >Charlene Sims >President >The Master's Press, Inc. >14550 Midway Road >Dallas, Tx 75244 > >972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 >www.TheMastersPress.com >char@themasterspress.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of ernlang@planttel.net >Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:41 PM >To: printowners@printweb.org >Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Xerox 242 Service Plan > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >I did use Larry Hunt in getting a good price on the Xerox 242 copier. I >have a good price for service in the first year but no guarantee for >future years. I just don't know what to expect out of them for future >service. Thats the part that bothers me the most. I know they will not >come down but just how much will they go up? > >I have a good price on the Ikon CPP650 (KM6500) with a lock on the service >for up to three years. The Ikon sales rep thanks he can get a lock on >service for the 5 year duration of the lease if I go that route. > >Ernest Lang >Lang Printing Co. >229-382-4264 > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Have you spoken with Larry Hunt yet? > > > > I'm not sure about the 242, but our b/w digital has the click charge > > locked for 5 years. The initial click charge is a bit higher than > > Larry's lowest reports, but, if I figure that Xerox would probably > > raise the charges by anything up to 10% per year, I'll be anywhere > > from somewhat ahead to way ahead a year or two into the agreement. > > > > JAT, > > Steve > > > >Ernest Lang >Lang Printing Co. >Tifton, GA 31794 >229-382-4264 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 3346 (20080811) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 3347 (20080811) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3347 (20080811) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com Mon Aug 11 22:59:06 2008 From: sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com (Date-Line Digital Printing) Date: Mon Aug 11 22:58:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Chicago airfare In-Reply-To: <39BA2743-F945-4924-A7ED-4CDD576E0217@graphiccreations.com> References: <39BA2743-F945-4924-A7ED-4CDD576E0217@graphiccreations.com> Message-ID: <002701c8fc27$6470d760$2d528620$@com> Used my Alaska Air Miles for ticket prior to the mileage hike, See you in Chicago. Travis Lewis Date-Line Digital Printing Fairbanks, Alaska -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Billings Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:19 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Chicago airfare ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** For anyone who may be attending the owners conference and American is a good option as airline - just a note that AA is having a decent sale for a few days. I save well over 150.00 on RT airfare. Just FYI - hope to see you there! -Debbie _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From k_graham at hotmail.com Mon Aug 11 23:58:06 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Mon Aug 11 23:58:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Explain color printing differences References: Message-ID: > > Hello.......I'm looking for a quick and precise way to explain to > customers why color > printing looks different from different online printers, laser printers, > you know, the usual color question.... Different inks, also some inkjets are up to something like 12 colors which provides a larger gamut than a 4 color printer. Of course ink will apear different on different papers as well. For laser color in North America I do suggest output using a SWOP color profile as that's about what people see in the magazines etc that they are reading. >.and why 'what they see on the screen' comes out different than they >expect. Their monitor likely isn't calibrated and may be more than 3 years old so its not at a standard to begin with, plus they are set at 9500k for web viewing which is bright and vivid when they should be set at 5000 or 6500k, I prefer 6500k, we use a Monaco hardware device and find at 3 years monitors may not be able to be calibrated, time to move the monitor to accounting. Also the human eye can see a wider range than can be printed so if the program is not providing screen output to mimic printed output then certain colors will not be printable. Also output looks different under standard cool 4000 k Fluorescent, Incandescent, and Daylight. We use 6500 k T8 Fluorescent tubes which I prefer to the 5000 k, I think 6500 k is closer to Daylight. You may notice the difference by taking some Ivory paper samples (under cool flourescent bulbs) outside, where they will appear to be white. Ken CommunityPrinters.com > I'd like to keep it as simple and non technical as possible. The question > comes up more and more, and now we have an engineer/designer wanting to > know, and you know how engineers want to know each and every detail, > regardless if they do anything with it. I brought it to the point where I > told him humans see color 600 different ways, and still he's hammering > away. > > I would like to put this to bed once and for all.... > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > Larry Taylor > Desert Pacific Printing > Tucson, AZ 85711 > > > www.theshackbook.com > > The book that really opened my eyes. > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From swiftyprinting at mac.com Tue Aug 12 07:41:10 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Tue Aug 12 07:41:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Explain color printing differences In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48194BC4-DD55-462E-925E-70020FF12E9E@mac.com> On Aug 11, 2008, at 5:33 PM, Larry Taylor wrote: > and why 'what they see on the screen' comes out different than they > expect. My favorite nontechnical description is: I ask them if they ever shopped for a tv, looked at the wall and saw all 50 tvs up there and every single one was showing the same picture but in a different color. Then if they want to get technical I explain how you need some type of standard or starting point to adjust the mechanics of the tv so they all can be the same. This is when I will show them the Pantone CMYK book and the color bar sheet used to calibrate. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Tue Aug 12 17:26:10 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (Larry Taylor) Date: Tue Aug 12 21:48:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Explaining color differences Message-ID: Thanks very much for the 'television' explaination regarding color differences in output devices. It made sense to me, and to our client. What a list......! Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 85711 www.theshackbook.com From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue Aug 12 14:34:44 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Tue Aug 12 21:49:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Test.....Hello?????? Message-ID: <011501c8fcaa$17ac5930$6401a8c0@coranew> Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Tue Aug 12 15:02:27 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Tue Aug 12 21:50:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Microsoft Partner Program Message-ID: Does the Microsoft Partner Program (MSPP) still exist for Printers? Can you still get a copy of Publisher for Free? Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." From owner at latsons.com Tue Aug 12 13:52:15 2008 From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson) Date: Tue Aug 12 21:52:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Was purse snatching - now armed robbery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200808121754.m7CHsMoG030691@pro35.abac.com> Your experience is troubling due to my daughter living and attending grad. school in Tuscon. Her husband has had a couple of 'run ins' with would be robbers, until they found out he had nothing to give them. I worry about them. I applaud your efforts, may I ask what you were prepared to do had you caught him? -Dick At 03:03 PM 8/11/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >So...a purse snatching just took place at the business next door to >our printshop an hour ago. >At least it looked like that to me. > > >Larry Taylor >Desert Pacific Printing >Tucson, AZ 85711 Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com From slb at inkspot.net Tue Aug 12 17:18:30 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Aug 12 22:19:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Colors as screen tints Message-ID: <48A1C5E6.28351.979181A@slb.inkspot.net> We're contemplating attempting to print a three-color logo as a solid and two screen tints of a single color. All three colors are on the same "page" in the PMS book; one is solid, and the other two have the same base colors, plus different amounts of white. We've done this, with some success, with a two-color newsletter shell, but it's been a while since we did the experiment to figure out the appropriate tints to use. Has anyone else tried this, and, if so, how did you figure out the appropriate tint percentages, and how many iterations did it take you to get "close enough?" TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From brian at designotype.com Tue Aug 12 22:23:00 2008 From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen) Date: Tue Aug 12 22:22:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Test.....Hello?????? References: <011501c8fcaa$17ac5930$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <138a01c8fceb$829ab430$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Your test made to the list. Brian Helminen, Solutions Consultant Designotype Printers, Inc. 22950 Airpark Blvd. Calumet, MI 49913 906-482-2424 Fax 906-482-2266 www.designotype.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cora Purvine" To: ; "PrintOwnersNG" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:34 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Test.....Hello?????? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora and Bernie Purvine > 5801 W. Juno Street > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > (316) 522-0733 > (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) > cpurvine1@cox.net > Microsoft Service Provider > Member NAQP > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message.\r\nhttp://www.avg-antivirus.net/ > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.523 / Virus Database: 270.6.1/1608 - Release Date: 8/12/2008 > 4:59 PM > > From goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com Tue Aug 12 11:55:49 2008 From: goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com (Goodway Print and Copy) Date: Tue Aug 12 23:02:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] pricing litigation files Message-ID: <288259284EF1486CB1B0547957308860@LeslieXP> How would you price 452 pdf's - each file is different size and some are black and white etc. We priced each copy. And then charged 30 per hour for special handling. .07 11"bw .13 17" bw .85 11" color 1.00 14" color 1.50 17" color The customer is complaining. Leslie McDonald GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. 15121 Ventura Blvd. Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Phone:(818) 783-5172 Fax:(818)783-8649 goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com www.goodwayprintcopy.com From ron at printingconcepts.com Tue Aug 12 16:06:41 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Tue Aug 12 23:13:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Explain color printing differences In-Reply-To: <200808112200.m7BM0DOs042788@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: >Its not about humans seeing color different, its about devices expressing color different.< Actually, humans do see color differently, and with age, our ability to see color deteriorates, with the exception that women's eyesight in general deteriorates less than men. Add this to the mix: metamorism, roughly defined as different light sources (incandescent, fluorescent, sunshine, etc.) impacting how color appears to the human eye. Try taking the same printed piece or especially an inkjet piece and see how different it appears to your eye under different light sources. File under: "More things to worry about." Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons" "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, and of the merchants a merchant." RALPH WALDO EMERSON Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 5:59 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Explain color printing differences ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** When you walk into a TV store the colors of the same show all look a little different. So, not all monitors will look the same. When you print a document out to three different color printers in your office, they all look a little different. So, not all printers will look the same. Its not about humans seeing color different, its about devices expressing color different. S. At 02:33 PM 8/11/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >Hello.......I'm looking for a quick and precise way to explain to >customers why color >printing looks different from different online printers, laser >printers, you know, the usual color question.....and why 'what they >see on the screen' comes out different than they expect. > >I'd like to keep it as simple and non technical as possible. The >question comes up more and more, and now we have an >engineer/designer wanting to know, and you know how engineers want >to know each and every detail, regardless if they do anything with >it. I brought it to the point where I told him humans see color 600 >different ways, and still he's hammering away. > >I would like to put this to bed once and for all.... > >Any help would be appreciated. > > >Larry Taylor >Desert Pacific Printing >Tucson, AZ 85711 > > >www.theshackbook.com > >The book that really opened my eyes. > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3346 (20080811) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From carisa at holmesprinting.com Tue Aug 12 10:04:16 2008 From: carisa at holmesprinting.com (Carisa Holmes-Peters) Date: Tue Aug 12 23:33:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Check Printing Source? In-Reply-To: <20080812002705.13E351025489@rb.enter.net> References: <20080812002705.13E351025489@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <9BDB6719-ED61-4464-887C-30FA45B9C761@holmesprinting.com> I am looking for a vendor to print checks. Does anyone have a good referral they have been pleased with? Thanks! Carisa Holmes-Peters HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street ? Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 ? Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com ? http://www.holmesprinting.com/ From bcreighton at danielsprinting.us Wed Aug 13 00:47:31 2008 From: bcreighton at danielsprinting.us (Bill) Date: Wed Aug 13 00:47:55 2008 Subject: SPAM-LOW: [PrintOwners] pricing litigation files In-Reply-To: <288259284EF1486CB1B0547957308860@LeslieXP> References: <288259284EF1486CB1B0547957308860@LeslieXP> Message-ID: <48A26763.2010109@danielsprinting.us> Interesting. We printed similar situation and lawyer would not pay up until the trial was over. My opinion, doesn't matter what the price, they will always complain. Have fun getting paid. Bill Goodway Print and Copy wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > How would you price 452 pdf's - each file is different size and some are > black and white etc. > We priced each copy. And then charged 30 per hour for special handling. > .07 11"bw > .13 17" bw > .85 11" color > 1.00 14" color > 1.50 17" color > The customer is complaining. > > > Leslie McDonald > GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. > 15121 Ventura Blvd. > Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 > Phone:(818) 783-5172 > Fax:(818)783-8649 > goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com > www.goodwayprintcopy.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From bill at mauiprintworks.com Tue Aug 12 20:09:00 2008 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Wed Aug 13 02:41:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Holographic printing resource Message-ID: A customer wants business cards with a holographic effect in the card. At one angle see the company name, at another angle see the background image. Anyone have a resource for this type of printing? Thank you Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793 bill@mauiprintworks.com 808-242-6634 From communicar at aol.com Wed Aug 13 03:12:13 2008 From: communicar at aol.com (communicar@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 13 03:12:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Holographic printing resource In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CACB2B0AFCC7A3-FF0-320B@webmail-nb14.sysops.aol.com> Try Rick at Ace Embossing. I think it will be very pricey; I'm pretty sure the holographic effect is in the foil, which has to be custom made. He might have some other suggestions. Good luck. Ken Azebu Communicart Graphics & Printing 499 Aldo Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408) 970-0922 (408) 970-8630 Fax -----Original Message----- From: Maui Print Works To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 5:09 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] Holographic printing resource ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? A customer wants business cards with a holographic effect in the card. At one angle see the company name, at another angle see the background image.? Anyone have a resource for this type of printing?? ? Thank you? Bill Marsh? Maui Print Works? 70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793? bill@mauiprintworks.com? 808-242-6634? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From markath1 at verizon.net Wed Aug 13 07:11:52 2008 From: markath1 at verizon.net (Rick Martin) Date: Wed Aug 13 07:12:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Check Printing Source? In-Reply-To: <9BDB6719-ED61-4464-887C-30FA45B9C761@holmesprinting.com> Message-ID: <002e01c8fd35$67457b80$640a0a0a@advanced8l9v8x> We've used Wilmer for years and been happy with them. 800-4WILMER. Rick Martin Advanced Print & Copy 229 Memorial Avenue W Springfield, MA 01089 413-736-9808 markath1@verizon.net www.advancedprintandcopy.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Carisa Holmes-Peters Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:04 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Check Printing Source? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am looking for a vendor to print checks. Does anyone have a good referral they have been pleased with? Thanks! Carisa Holmes-Peters HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street . Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 . Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com . http://www.holmesprinting.com/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Chris at mmgraphicsandmail.com Wed Aug 13 07:46:09 2008 From: Chris at mmgraphicsandmail.com (Chris) Date: Wed Aug 13 07:46:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Microsoft Partner Program In-Reply-To: <3EA4395888874D7FBB6DD688965A1B86@mm.local> Message-ID: No, they stopped it a while back. Chris Cochran M & M Graphics Inc WWW.mmgraphicsandmail.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Loren Maurina Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:00 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Microsoft Partner Program ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does the Microsoft Partner Program (MSPP) still exist for Printers? Can you still get a copy of Publisher for Free? Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3350 (20080812) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3351 (20080813) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3351 (20080813) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From swiftyprinting at mac.com Wed Aug 13 08:00:39 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Wed Aug 13 08:00:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Microsoft Partner Program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <686B04A5-89F2-4769-BEBD-A8886DE8BFEF@mac.com> On Aug 12, 2008, at 3:02 PM, Loren Maurina wrote: > Does the Microsoft Partner Program (MSPP) still exist for Printers? > Can you still get a copy of Publisher for Free? The Microsoft Partner Program is different than the Publisher Service Provider Program (PSPP). The Publisher program has been in "dormancy" for quite a while now. The Partner Program is more geared to support and training of your customers with Microsoft's Business Solution products, like their server software, etc. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Wed Aug 13 08:17:20 2008 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Wed Aug 13 08:17:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Check Printing Source? References: <20080812002705.13E351025489@rb.enter.net> <9BDB6719-ED61-4464-887C-30FA45B9C761@holmesprinting.com> Message-ID: <1A6F891C836B4D52837F36A96B65C42B@Nancy> We recently used Speedflo Business Forms, Inc. PO Box 12268 Lexington, KY 40582 800/354-9597 859/253-3013 fax www.speedflo-ky.com found them easy to work with, pricing is right, great co. to work with example, 5000 24# security, 1 part cut sheet check, 49.44m Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carisa Holmes-Peters" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Check Printing Source? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am looking for a vendor to print checks. Does anyone have a good referral they have been pleased with? Thanks! Carisa Holmes-Peters HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street ? Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 ? Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com ? http://www.holmesprinting.com/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From TimKoedyker at kwikkopyprinting-cp.com Wed Aug 13 08:25:00 2008 From: TimKoedyker at kwikkopyprinting-cp.com (Tim Koedyker) Date: Wed Aug 13 08:25:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Colors as screen tints In-Reply-To: <48A1C5E6.28351.979181A@slb.inkspot.net> References: <48A1C5E6.28351.979181A@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: Steve, Pantone sells a color swatch cabinet (about 4 books in a set) that show different screen values of all the pantone colors. The books are called "Tints" and these are very helpful for what you are trying to accomplish. Tim Koedyker Kwik Kopy Printing 1180 N Main St Crown Point, IN 46307 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 4:19 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Colors as screen tints ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We're contemplating attempting to print a three-color logo as a solid and two screen tints of a single color. All three colors are on the same "page" in the PMS book; one is solid, and the other two have the same base colors, plus different amounts of white. We've done this, with some success, with a two-color newsletter shell, but it's been a while since we did the experiment to figure out the appropriate tints to use. Has anyone else tried this, and, if so, how did you figure out the appropriate tint percentages, and how many iterations did it take you to get "close enough?" TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From StevePrint at aol.com Wed Aug 13 08:34:37 2008 From: StevePrint at aol.com (StevePrint@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 13 08:34:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Check Printing Source? Message-ID: We use Ennis for Checks. Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing _www.iorderprinting.com_ (http://www.iorderprinting.com) **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From StevePrint at aol.com Wed Aug 13 08:38:25 2008 From: StevePrint at aol.com (StevePrint@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 13 08:39:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Holographic printing resource Message-ID: If you don't receive any leads, I would suggest you call Ted VanPelt at Thermotype.com as they build Foil Stamping Machines. Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing _www.iorderprinting.com_ (http://www.iorderprinting.com) **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Wed Aug 13 08:42:46 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Wed Aug 13 08:43:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Check Printing Source? In-Reply-To: <9BDB6719-ED61-4464-887C-30FA45B9C761@holmesprinting.com> References: <20080812002705.13E351025489@rb.enter.net> <9BDB6719-ED61-4464-887C-30FA45B9C761@holmesprinting.com> Message-ID: Try Microforms 800-334-3676 they do both pin feed and laser checks On Aug 12, 2008, at 10:04 AM, Carisa Holmes-Peters wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am looking for a vendor to print checks. Does anyone have a good > referral they have been pleased with? > > Thanks! > > > Carisa Holmes-Peters > HOLMES Printing > 401 E. Columbia Street ? Springfield, OH 45503 > Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 ? Fax (937) 322-1601 > carisa@holmesprinting.com ? http://www.holmesprinting.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." From jdaghir at gmail.com Wed Aug 13 08:54:28 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Wed Aug 13 08:54:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Holographic printing resource In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83d5b9620808130554u4cc170acnb65551659ae76af3@mail.gmail.com> Do a search for lenticular printing. Unfortunately I've never had any done so I don't have any specific recommendation for sources. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Bill said: > A customer wants business cards with a holographic effect in the card. At > one angle see the company name, at another angle see the background image. > Anyone have a resource for this type of printing? From sherwood at ctsbroadband.com Wed Aug 13 09:04:22 2008 From: sherwood at ctsbroadband.com (Bob Sherwood) Date: Wed Aug 13 09:04:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Copier Maintenance Cost Message-ID: <002b01c8fd45$1c38e2c0$01fea8c0@cumberla1> We have a Sharp mx 2300n Color Copier. Beginning our 3rd year with it this month. The maintenance agreement is $98.00 a month, for 40,000 B&W copies and 15,000 Color copies annually. Just got our overage bill for the previous year $2,600.00. We have now paid $7552 in maintenance for two years. Copier Cost was $5000.00. Does this seem a little high or is it on the mark. As far as maintenance they have replace drums once and cleaned a few times. Bob Sherwood Cumberland Printing P.O. Box 313 Monticello, KY 42633 (606) 348-4517 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Aug 13 09:19:29 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 13 09:19:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Copier Maintenance Cost Message-ID: In a message dated 8/13/2008 9:06:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sherwood@ctsbroadband.com writes: We have a Sharp mx 2300n Color Copier. Beginning our 3rd year with it this month. The maintenance agreement is $98.00 a month, for 40,000 B&W copies and 15,000 Color copies annually. Just got our overage bill for the previous year $2,600.00. We have now paid $7552 in maintenance for two years. Copier Cost was $5000.00. Does this seem a little high or is it on the mark. As far as maintenance they have replace drums once and cleaned a few times. Well Bob you really didn't give us a lot to work with... like actual counts for B&W and Color copies. What about your costs per click for BW and Color and whether Toner is included. You tend to get what you pay for... it is difficult to compare operating costs on a small office grade copier in the $5,000 range against machines and maintenance for high-speed digital color copier costing $35,000 or more. However, the question really ought to be how much in sales are you generating off this machine as opposed to asking folks to speculate on whether your maintenance fee is too high or low. The reality is it appears that at the most you are likely producing 3-4M color copies per month which is a very low, low monthly volume, basically qualifying as nothing more than convenience copying, not the type of production of color copies most on this list are providing. In fact, there are many small shops on this list that are producing in the 15-30M copies per month and utilizing their machines to produce a variety of 2C and 4C color work that previously might have been jobbed out or attempted on an in-house press. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From John at mpcny.com Wed Aug 13 09:52:49 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Wed Aug 13 09:53:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper costs Message-ID: <8F458476F4D24638849EF8D9F3328E3C@Leo4allPC> I had nice chat with Xpedx about my paper costs. I have been getting 15,000lb carload pricing on all full carton orders. I still think I can do better and needed order 40 cartons of 20lb 11x17. I had specials for some other houses for less. Xpedx was at $14.44 per m I can buy at $12.75 from a 2nd house. After beating my rep on his record 2nd quarter profits. He claims he is making less, so I showed what the company released and told him he needs to ask for a raise . I got him to lower my bond to $13.75 per m not all the way but I saved bit. At this point oil has gone down the big reason given for the costs going up. I am keeping the heat and showed him carbonless pricing 20% below his. Ordered 8 cartons and show him the invoice. I told him he lost that business and he needs to get better or I will look to switch more. Now I will say I like Xpedx and buy 98% of my paper from them and do not buy on price alone. I still want to work with them, but at this point I need to put their feet to the fire. I believe if I do not they will keep raising me. Yes paper is going up but the merchants are also adding on a profit more than they did before. Time for a heart to heart talk with your suppliers. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From joe at calagaz.com Wed Aug 13 09:56:50 2008 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Wed Aug 13 09:56:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Production B&W for sale???? Message-ID: I am contemplating getting rid of my Nuvera120 (Production Model, it is about 2 yrs old) I have two feeder decks, a standard finisher, the sheet decurler, the High capacity stacker, and the booklet maker. I have a 9110(I would consider selling it instead if some should prefer it, basically the same configuration, two feeders, one inserter, high capacity stacker, and booklet maker) and do not need as much B&W capacity. I am looking to get more aggressive on the color side with an iGen and I just do not have the space for all three machines and Xerox is not giving me any real dollars on trade. Both machines are on maintenance and are current on RIPs (to the best of my knowledge) Please contact me off list if you are interested. Joe Calagaz Calagaz Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 From sherwood at ctsbroadband.com Wed Aug 13 10:02:24 2008 From: sherwood at ctsbroadband.com (Bob Sherwood) Date: Wed Aug 13 10:02:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Copier Maintence Cost #2 Message-ID: <006901c8fd4d$388357a0$01fea8c0@cumberla1> We supply all toner. Maintenance is .08 for color and .01 for B&W. 90m clicks for B&W 55m clicks for Color per year From bherion at bucksdigital.com Wed Aug 13 10:13:15 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Wed Aug 13 10:13:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: pricing litigation files In-Reply-To: <20080813114616.15EF71028C76@rb.enter.net> References: <20080813114616.15EF71028C76@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080813100249.03448308@bucksdigital.com> At 07:46 AM 8/13/2008, Leslie McDonald wrote: >How would you price 452 pdf's - each file is different size and some are >black and white etc. >We priced each copy. And then charged 30 per hour for special handling. >.07 11"bw >.13 17" bw >.85 11" color >1.00 14" color >1.50 17" color >The customer is complaining. Leslie, I would probably have just looked at it like a dollar a print, regardless of size and color to come to $452 (each file has a single page, I'm guessing). Once looking at that number, I might have rounded to $500. If this was due in less than 2 days, $650. As an aside, are you surprised that a person bringing in "litigation files" would be anything less than complaining? LOL Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Aug 13 10:20:32 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 13 10:20:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Copier Maintence Cost #2 Message-ID: In a message dated 8/13/2008 10:04:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sherwood@ctsbroadband.com writes: We supply all toner. Maintenance is .08 for color and .01 for B&W. 90m clicks for B&W 55m clicks for Color per year Ok, my next question, just to clarify, is whether you are charged one click or two when you run an 11x17? Regardless to the above, your maintenance fees are extremely, extremely high, especially considering the fact that they do not include toner. Most dealers supplying the more popular digital color copiers in the industry (Xerox, Konica-Minolta, Canon) are charging in the .045 to .06 cent per click range, and that includes all service and supplies (yes toner), and 98% of the industry is paying only one click whether it is for 8.5 x 11 or 11 x 17. If you were paying only one click for all sizes, and you ran 40M of your 55M 2-up you would save approximately $1,600 per year, which might not sound like a lot but you aren't selling many copies either! Then again, on these relatively small volumes you can't exert a lot of bargaining power either. I suspect because of your low BW volume that you are still also running things on press that would ordinarily be run on a BW copier by most shops. Very few shops that I know would be running 500-1M letters, 1M BW flyers or simple file or index cards or whatever on a press if they can run it on a copier. Just further thoughts. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From barry at wolfprinting.com Wed Aug 13 10:25:58 2008 From: barry at wolfprinting.com (Barry Wolf) Date: Wed Aug 13 10:26:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Check Printing Source? In-Reply-To: <9BDB6719-ED61-4464-887C-30FA45B9C761@holmesprinting.com> Message-ID: <005301c8fd50$81bd3190$9000a8c0@wolf1> We have been using Ennis for years and have been very satisfied. Regards, Barry V. Wolf Wolf Printing, LLC 1200 Haines Road York, PA 17402 717-755-1560 717-840-0496 FAX barry@wolfprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Carisa Holmes-Peters Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:04 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Check Printing Source? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am looking for a vendor to print checks. Does anyone have a good referral they have been pleased with? Thanks! Carisa Holmes-Peters HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street ? Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 ? Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com ? http://www.holmesprinting.com/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ron at printingconcepts.com Wed Aug 13 10:31:18 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Wed Aug 13 10:31:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] credit application and personal guarantee Message-ID: A couple people asked for a copy of our credit app with the personal guarantee. If you email me privately I will send you a PDF. Just got a new wholesale customer from out of town. It didn't make sense that he couldn't find someone more local so we checked into his background and found out he had stiffed a trade finisher we use. We made him COD but I told our rep he probably was using us on a couple of smaller projects (roughly $3,000) and will pay COD on these and try to lull us into a sense of complacency and then sting us on a big one. Yesterday he told the rep, "We'll use you on a couple of smaller projects and then when we all get comfortable maybe I can get a big project in here." Do I play the player? Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons" "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, and of the merchants a merchant." RALPH WALDO EMERSON Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From bill at edmarkpress.com Wed Aug 13 10:35:14 2008 From: bill at edmarkpress.com (Bill) Date: Wed Aug 13 10:35:14 2008 Subject: SPAM-LOW: [PrintOwners] pricing litigation files In-Reply-To: <48A26763.2010109@danielsprinting.us> References: <288259284EF1486CB1B0547957308860@LeslieXP> <48A26763.2010109@danielsprinting.us> Message-ID: <48A2F122.7020506@edmarkpress.com> Same thing happened to us, wouldn't pay till the trial was over, luckily they won. "Do you know how wire was invented? Two lawyers were fighting over a penny". Bill Edmark Press Broadview, IL Bill wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Interesting. We printed similar situation and lawyer would not pay up > until the trial was over. > My opinion, doesn't matter what the price, they will always complain. > Have fun getting paid. > Bill > Goodway Print and Copy wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> How would you price 452 pdf's - each file is different size and some >> are >> black and white etc. We priced each copy. And then charged 30 per >> hour for special handling. .07 11"bw >> .13 17" bw .85 11" color >> 1.00 14" color >> 1.50 17" color >> The customer is complaining. >> >> >> Leslie McDonald >> GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. >> 15121 Ventura Blvd. >> Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 >> Phone:(818) 783-5172 >> Fax:(818)783-8649 >> goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com >> www.goodwayprintcopy.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Aug 13 11:04:22 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Aug 13 11:04:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Copier Maintenance Cost In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0808130804q42471be1n5f4b36def535ab72@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 9:19 AM, wrote: > there are many small > shops on this list that are producing in the 15-30M copies per month and > utilizing their machines to produce a variety of 2C and 4C color work that > previously might have been jobbed out or attempted on an in-house press. Which brings up another subject: two-color printing. What with the commoditization of full-color printing and the low prices it has brought, I find myself often flinching at what we're charging for two-color work, which can easily be more than the market-price for full color. Most of our two-color printing consists of repeat orders, not new ones. (New two-color business cards are, more often than not, done digitally, not offset). I wonder if paper manufacturers have experienced a significant decline in demand for color and textured text papers as a result; or am I off the mark on this observation? Have you experienced a relative decline in two-color printing? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From clc at crownmax.com Wed Aug 13 11:08:12 2008 From: clc at crownmax.com (clc) Date: Wed Aug 13 11:08:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] credit application and personal guarantee In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ron, At some point your system will break down and he will slide a big order through and NOT PAY or the C. O. D. check will be on a bad or closed account! This will be when you are away and your staff is not on their game. They will spend time to circumvent your system just like a hacker will do on the internet. This is from not one, not two but three different experiences with people like them over the past 25 years. They are scum! Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road Dunbar, WV 25064 1-800-252-40111 www.crownmax.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:31 AM To: printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] credit application and personal guarantee ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** A couple people asked for a copy of our credit app with the personal guarantee. If you email me privately I will send you a PDF. Just got a new wholesale customer from out of town. It didn't make sense that he couldn't find someone more local so we checked into his background and found out he had stiffed a trade finisher we use. We made him COD but I told our rep he probably was using us on a couple of smaller projects (roughly $3,000) and will pay COD on these and try to lull us into a sense of complacency and then sting us on a big one. Yesterday he told the rep, "We'll use you on a couple of smaller projects and then when we all get comfortable maybe I can get a big project in here." Do I play the player? Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons" "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, and of the merchants a merchant." RALPH WALDO EMERSON Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dominick at fmtc.com Wed Aug 13 11:45:01 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Wed Aug 13 11:45:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] credit application and personal guarantee In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A3017D.4050909@fmtc.com> So True! This guy should NOT be on COD, but Paid in Advance! Check cleared before even ordering paper. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! clc wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Ron, > > At some point your system will break down and he will slide a big order > through and NOT PAY or the C. O. D. check will be on a bad or closed > account! > > This will be when you are away and your staff is not on their game. > > They will spend time to circumvent your system just like a hacker will do on > the internet. > > This is from not one, not two but three different experiences with people > like them over the past 25 years. > > > > They are scum! > > Charlie Counts > CROWNMAX, Inc. > 2301 Roxalana Road > Dunbar, WV 25064 > 1-800-252-40111 > www.crownmax.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:31 AM > To: printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] credit application and personal guarantee > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > A couple people asked for a copy of our credit app with the personal > guarantee. If you email me privately I will send you a PDF. > > > Just got a new wholesale customer from out of town. It didn't make sense > that he couldn't find someone more local so we checked into his background > and found out he had stiffed a trade finisher we use. We made him COD but I > told our rep he probably was using us on a couple of smaller projects > (roughly $3,000) and will pay COD on these and try to lull us into a sense > of complacency and then sting us on a big one. > > Yesterday he told the rep, "We'll use you on a couple of smaller projects > and then when we all get comfortable maybe I can get a big project in here." > > Do I play the player? > > > > Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below > should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a > statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general > edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. > > "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little > statesmen and philosophers and divines." > > ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons" > > "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, > and of the merchants a merchant." > > RALPH WALDO EMERSON > > > > > Ron Taggart, President > PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. > 4246 Hudson Drive > Stow, Ohio 44224 > 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 > www.printingconcepts.com > ron@printingconcepts.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.1/1608 - Release Date: 8/12/2008 4:59 PM > > > > From sos at olympus.net Wed Aug 13 11:47:03 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Aug 13 11:47:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Explaining color differences References: Message-ID: <03f501c8fd5b$d521ea00$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > Thanks very much for the 'television' explaination regarding color > differences in output devices. > It made sense to me, and to our client. ======================== I was at a Circuit City night before last, and you know, the new digital HDTV LCD and Plasma, 1080p sets were pretty much all displaying the same color. There was one that was noticeably different, not better or worse really, just different. But I don't know how long that analogy is going to work. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From sos at olympus.net Wed Aug 13 11:58:20 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Aug 13 11:58:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Holographic printing resource References: Message-ID: <045601c8fd5d$68bd6e50$6900a8c0@DANIEL> It sounds like what you want is lenticular printing, two images that can be seen from a different angle, not holographic whatever that is. But not foil stamping, lenticular. And sorry, I don't know anyone off hand that does that. Googles says, www.lenticular-creations.com or www.ImagingExcellence.com www.viu.com or www.lenticularprinting.com/ to get you started. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From steveprint at aol.com Wed Aug 13 00:05:08 2008 From: steveprint at aol.com (StevePrint) Date: Wed Aug 13 12:04:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] ASI Discount Codes Message-ID: Would someone email us what the ASI discount codes translate into discounts? Thanks Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting From goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com Wed Aug 13 13:13:00 2008 From: goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com (Goodway Print and Copy) Date: Wed Aug 13 13:13:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: pricing litigation files In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080813100249.03448308@bucksdigital.com> References: <20080813114616.15EF71028C76@rb.enter.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20080813100249.03448308@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <9AC41CF620414ACB9E033C835AC3A31C@LeslieXP> There were 8575 copies in those files and it is a good longtime customer- it took hours and hours to rip each file. We have done things in the past and no problem. Leslie McDonald GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. 15121 Ventura Blvd. Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Phone:(818) 783-5172 Fax:(818)783-8649 goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com www.goodwayprintcopy.com ?www.holidaycardwebsite.com/goodwayprintcopy -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Herion Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:13 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: pricing litigation files ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** At 07:46 AM 8/13/2008, Leslie McDonald wrote: >How would you price 452 pdf's - each file is different size and some are >black and white etc. >We priced each copy. And then charged 30 per hour for special handling. >.07 11"bw >.13 17" bw >.85 11" color >1.00 14" color >1.50 17" color >The customer is complaining. Leslie, I would probably have just looked at it like a dollar a print, regardless of size and color to come to $452 (each file has a single page, I'm guessing). Once looking at that number, I might have rounded to $500. If this was due in less than 2 days, $650. As an aside, are you surprised that a person bringing in "litigation files" would be anything less than complaining? LOL Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From char at themasterspress.com Wed Aug 13 13:14:08 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Wed Aug 13 13:14:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Copier Maintenance Cost In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0808130804q42471be1n5f4b36def535ab72@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0808130804q42471be1n5f4b36def535ab72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69C738D4FAAF416097E2FD7BDFA44040@CharXP> Michael I hear you. I too have flinched when looking at my prices and sometimes end up pricing smaller jobs both ways and selling them the lesser price. But there are times when the digital just does not look the same or nearly as good as a nice two color card with a first rate color match. I will see that as the higher quality. Color has definitely become a commodity. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:04 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Color Copier Maintenance Cost ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 9:19 AM, wrote: > there are many small > shops on this list that are producing in the 15-30M copies per month and > utilizing their machines to produce a variety of 2C and 4C color work that > previously might have been jobbed out or attempted on an in-house press. Which brings up another subject: two-color printing. What with the commoditization of full-color printing and the low prices it has brought, I find myself often flinching at what we're charging for two-color work, which can easily be more than the market-price for full color. Most of our two-color printing consists of repeat orders, not new ones. (New two-color business cards are, more often than not, done digitally, not offset). I wonder if paper manufacturers have experienced a significant decline in demand for color and textured text papers as a result; or am I off the mark on this observation? Have you experienced a relative decline in two-color printing? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3352 (20080813) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3352 (20080813) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3352 (20080813) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Wed Aug 13 14:07:10 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Wed Aug 13 14:07:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Dick Latson Message-ID: Hi Dick......first let me thank you belatedly for the referral your daughter gave a customer to come to our print shop. I hope they were very happy with our service. As for the bad guy? My 'plan' was to take him down. I've worked in institutions with 'psychos' where I've had to do 'take downs' in the past. Those crazy guys are much tougher and un-predictable than a street punk, IMO. I don't recommend anyone do what I would do. You should just let them have the money and stay safe. Plus, the police are not exactly happy about civilians playing cops and robbers, most of the time. I'm not that way. That lady who was running after him reminded me of my mother, so I let my emotions get the better of myself. There's a lot that can happen in a charged environment like that. And it happens fast. I didn't know he had a knife. Had I known that, I'd let him make the first move in a showdown. Chances are, he has no training, just a street fighter at best. They always have a weak spot. As for handgun robbers, anyone with IPSC ...the fastest shooting sport... experience, such as 6 years competition myself, knows that without practice, you can't hit a person w/a handgun beyond 25 feet...unless you are very lucky ....in which case, I'd just take cover and wait... or continue chasing at a safe distance until the police arrived. (Here's a sample of what we do at IPSC... ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8a_n3phvb4 This one is my favorite, I only just now viewed it..... you'll get a good laugh at about 45 seconds into it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktNuLtuer7A&feature=related Larry PS....don't walk the campus at night without a male escort at the U of A. Or ....the U of A police will provide one for any student also. Not much different than many college campuses, my daughter just graduated from U of A, and I had no worries. Message: 7 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:52:15 -0500 From: Dick Latson > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Was purse snatching - now armed robbery To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Message-ID: <200808121754.m7CHsMoG030691@pro35.abac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Your experience is troubling due to my daughter living and attending grad. school in Tuscon. Her husband has had a couple of 'run ins' with would be robbers, until they found out he had nothing to give them. I worry about them. I applaud your efforts, may I ask what you were prepared to do had you caught him? -Dick Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From danf at mmsny.com Wed Aug 13 14:07:46 2008 From: danf at mmsny.com (Daniel Flatt) Date: Wed Aug 13 14:09:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper costs In-Reply-To: <8F458476F4D24638849EF8D9F3328E3C@Leo4allPC> References: <8F458476F4D24638849EF8D9F3328E3C@Leo4allPC> Message-ID: <7AA4E499F75C454D864713FEF2958D3341B55E@BE09.exg4.exghost.com> John, Have you tried RIS papers? We use them and are very happy with the price and deliveries. I think that they come out of Albany. Dan Flatt owner Multi Media Services BUSINESS PRINTERS 11136-40 River Road Corning, NY 14830 main 607-936-3186 CELL 607-331-7217 PLEASE CALL MY CELL FIRST! Fax 877-684-3043 www.mmsny.com www.theshackbook.com The book that really opened my eyes! Isn't it time that you had a business printer printing for your business? Other contacts: Rick Bartholomew president -Manufacturing 607-769-8111 Belinda Wilcox VP-Finance & CSR's 607-936-3186 Rose Flatt VP - Creative 607-331-1555 Dick Shelford Sunset Operations 607-331-5775 Patty Carlson Strategic accounts 607-331-5314 Ralph Begeal CSR 607-331-5572 Jenna Nailer IR operations 607-936-3186 Jessi Mitchell CSR 607-936-3186 Dave Satterly IR operations 570-882-0485 Steve Mullen IR operations liaison 607-936-5314 Clint Fox Mailing/ creative 607-331-7068 Judy Pruyne creative 607-331-5963 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John M. Henry Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:53 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper costs ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I had nice chat with Xpedx about my paper costs. I have been getting 15,000lb carload pricing on all full carton orders. I still think I can do better and needed order 40 cartons of 20lb 11x17. I had specials for some other houses for less. Xpedx was at $14.44 per m I can buy at $12.75 from a 2nd house. After beating my rep on his record 2nd quarter profits. He claims he is making less, so I showed what the company released and told him he needs to ask for a raise . I got him to lower my bond to $13.75 per m not all the way but I saved bit. At this point oil has gone down the big reason given for the costs going up. I am keeping the heat and showed him carbonless pricing 20% below his. Ordered 8 cartons and show him the invoice. I told him he lost that business and he needs to get better or I will look to switch more. Now I will say I like Xpedx and buy 98% of my paper from them and do not buy on price alone. I still want to work with them, but at this point I need to put their feet to the fire. I believe if I do not they will keep raising me. Yes paper is going up but the merchants are also adding on a profit more than they did before. Time for a heart to heart talk with your suppliers. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Wed Aug 13 14:17:10 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Wed Aug 13 14:17:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 452 pdf's Message-ID: At 07:46 AM 8/13/2008, Leslie McDonald wrote: >How would you price 452 pdf's - each file is different size and some are >black and white etc. >We priced each copy. And then charged 30 per hour for special handling. >.07 11"bw >.13 17" bw >.85 11" color >1.00 14" color >1.50 17" color >The customer is complaining. We just completed a job like that and asked ourself the same question. Our answer was a question: what if a customer sent us 1 pdf and wanted....say...100 copies. What would we do? We don't charge for PDF output anymore. We have a very fast workflow, rips, printers, etc. 5 different sized paper trays on each machine. So, with a ton of them, such as yours/ours, we charged nothing for all the PDF's. Look at it this way: suppose they brought in hard copy originals as in days past. We didn't charge to scan all of the originals back then, just the copy cosst. PDF's are much faster than hardcopy. Just our way. Normal color copy prices, which in our case depends on the qty. per original. Each pdf was considered an original. Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From yaakov at sparkdirectny.com Wed Aug 13 14:40:24 2008 From: yaakov at sparkdirectny.com (Yaakov Reshef) Date: Wed Aug 13 14:40:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for security paper with imbeded silver lines Message-ID: ?One of our clients ?needs to print transcripts on LH paper, 8.5x11, 24 lb, natural white (preferred) or white, with imbedded silver foil, in two thin dotted lines going along the 11" side, one about 1" from edge left of the LH, the second line 5" from the left edge The sample we got is from?Europe, and it also has water marks (4 of them) with a logo and the words "security bonded" We don't need to get the same stock but something similar. We will need 30,000 to 40,000 sheets annually. Anybody has info where to get it? Thanks in advance. ? ?Yaakov Reshef Spark Direct/ Kwik Kopy 7 east 37th st New York, NY 10016 yaakov@sparkdirectny.com ? From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Wed Aug 13 14:40:33 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Wed Aug 13 14:40:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Private post error, sorry Message-ID: Crap.....Sorry, my post to Mr. Latson was intended to be private to him. I'm in digest mode, haven't seen it, but that's where it went. Hope I don't bring out the handgun haters on the list. I'm an advocate for training and licensing handgun owners, just like driver's licenses. Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From swiftyprinting at mac.com Wed Aug 13 14:41:17 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Wed Aug 13 14:41:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 452 pdf's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <948A6CA4-386F-473B-9C72-9D2498569135@mac.com> On Aug 13, 2008, at 2:17 PM, le: We just completed a job like that and asked ourself the same question. Our answer was a question: what if a customer sent us 1 pdf and wanted....say...100 copies. What would we do? > So, with a ton of them, such as yours/ours, we charged nothing for > all the PDF's. Look at it this way: suppose they brought in hard > copy originals as in days past. We didn't charge to scan all of the > originals back then, just the copy cosst. PDF's are much faster > than hardcopy. > Just our way. Normal color copy prices, which in our case depends > on the qty. per original. Each pdf was considered an original. We always charged for the input including hardcopy, programming of the job and any handling. The customer never saw it, they only saw the total price. Hence the first copy is always more than additional. Just imagine all day long you had pdfs, only 1 page and only 1 copy each. Even if you have a super fast workflow (and we have one of the fastest here), without charging somehow you would be losing money. And on the flip end when you have a lot of jobs from pdf you get to see the actual time it takes to go through your system. Therefore you can't just charge for the copy price, your pricing needs to include the initial time for write-up, jobflow, and package up. How you present it is more of the issue. We have created job templates in Printsmith which includes all these necessary things (even the cost of packaging), however the customer sees the quantity and the total price. It is easier to present this way. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From bill at mauiprintworks.com Wed Aug 13 15:28:07 2008 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Wed Aug 13 15:28:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Holographic (Lenticular) pricing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What I've found out so far ( from World Holographics ) ( for anyone interested ) Pricing info for Lenticular printing (holographic) Business Cards minimum charge $2600.00 1000 - $2600.00 = $2.60 each 2500 - $3750.00 = $1.50 each ... before markup Well that makes my pricing for for our business cards look pretty good I don't think the customer is gonna bite on that one, but you never know. Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793 bill@mauiprintworks.com 808-242-6634 > > > A customer wants business cards with a holographic effect in the > card. At one angle see the company name, at another angle see the > background image. > Anyone have a resource for this type of printing? > > Thank you > Bill Marsh > Maui Print Works > 70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793 > bill@mauiprintworks.com > 808-242-6634 > From info at desktopsxm.com Wed Aug 13 15:50:44 2008 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Wed Aug 13 15:50:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Stillwet graphix & printing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is anybody conversant with this company out of West Palm Beach? Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten Tel 542-4044 fax 543-1100 "The Printshop with a Difference" From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Wed Aug 13 15:53:08 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Wed Aug 13 15:54:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper costs In-Reply-To: <8F458476F4D24638849EF8D9F3328E3C@Leo4allPC> References: <8F458476F4D24638849EF8D9F3328E3C@Leo4allPC> Message-ID: Not picking on John but I find it interesting that we talk about getting the price we need to make a profit, don't be low price vendor, etc, etc, etc, and then we get into discussions about who we can switch to to save money. I know, "this is different", but it really is the same thing. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John M. Henry Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:53 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper costs ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I had nice chat with Xpedx about my paper costs. I have been getting 15,000lb carload pricing on all full carton orders. I still think I can do better and needed order 40 cartons of 20lb 11x17. I had specials for some other houses for less. Xpedx was at $14.44 per m I can buy at $12.75 from a 2nd house. After beating my rep on his record 2nd quarter profits. He claims he is making less, so I showed what the company released and told him he needs to ask for a raise . I got him to lower my bond to $13.75 per m not all the way but I saved bit. At this point oil has gone down the big reason given for the costs going up. I am keeping the heat and showed him carbonless pricing 20% below his. Ordered 8 cartons and show him the invoice. I told him he lost that business and he needs to get better or I will look to switch more. Now I will say I like Xpedx and buy 98% of my paper from them and do not buy on price alone. I still want to work with them, but at this point I need to put their feet to the fire. I believe if I do not they will keep raising me. Yes paper is going up but the merchants are also adding on a profit more than they did before. Time for a heart to heart talk with your suppliers. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From hal at pickimp.com Wed Aug 13 16:03:06 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Wed Aug 13 16:03:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper costs References: <8F458476F4D24638849EF8D9F3328E3C@Leo4allPC> Message-ID: <003601c8fd7f$ba21a460$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Exactly Marik. It isn't any different, Hal From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Aug 13 16:08:32 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Aug 13 16:08:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper costs In-Reply-To: References: <8F458476F4D24638849EF8D9F3328E3C@Leo4allPC> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0808131308x19df5c80oe47f2c47e61eeefd@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Mark Lake wrote: >Not picking on John but I find it interesting that we talk about getting the >price we need to make a profit, don't be low price vendor, etc, etc, etc, >and then we get into discussions about who we can switch to to save money. I >know, "this is different", but it really is the same thing. Not necessarily. It all boils down to value-added. Where there's no opportunity to add value, the item is a commodity. Extra or better "service," as defined by the customer, including creation of the perception of expertise, is the only way that comes to mind to add value when there's no product differentiation. If there's truly no differentiation, then, habit aside, price rises to become king. Profit in our business is largely determined by our ability to add value, perceived or otherwise. > -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From sos at olympus.net Wed Aug 13 16:08:37 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Aug 13 16:08:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper costs References: <8F458476F4D24638849EF8D9F3328E3C@Leo4allPC> Message-ID: <056101c8fd80$5f985880$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > Not picking on John but I find it interesting that we talk about getting > the > price we need to make a profit, don't be low price vendor, etc, etc, etc, > and then we get into discussions about who we can switch to to save money. > I > know, "this is different", but it really is the same thing. =================== I've always found that ironic as well. I'm happy to pay any price the paper companies charge, as long as everybody else is paying the same price. If the price goes up, I'll just make more profit on the markup. The problem comes when prices are negotiable. Then you know deep in your heart that everybody else is getting a better price than you. And that's makes you feel like a fool. It's like paying taxes, it's so complicated no one pays the same rate. He who has the more aggressive accountant or lawyer, pays the lowest rates and you feel like a schmuck sending in all your money. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From bob at rjmprinting.com Wed Aug 13 16:10:14 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Wed Aug 13 16:10:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper costs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We buy from a higher priced paper company because they always deliver at 7:30 in the morning, never falls, no matter what the weather. We have tried other vendors who are cheaper but deliveries were anywhere from 8:00am to 3:00pm. The approach we take to running this business doesn't allow for that much inconsistency. We pay a little more for service and hope our customers will too. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lake Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 2:53 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Paper costs ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Not picking on John but I find it interesting that we talk about getting the price we need to make a profit, don't be low price vendor, etc, etc, etc, and then we get into discussions about who we can switch to to save money. I know, "this is different", but it really is the same thing. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John M. Henry Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:53 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper costs ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I had nice chat with Xpedx about my paper costs. I have been getting 15,000lb carload pricing on all full carton orders. I still think I can do better and needed order 40 cartons of 20lb 11x17. I had specials for some other houses for less. Xpedx was at $14.44 per m I can buy at $12.75 from a 2nd house. After beating my rep on his record 2nd quarter profits. He claims he is making less, so I showed what the company released and told him he needs to ask for a raise . I got him to lower my bond to $13.75 per m not all the way but I saved bit. At this point oil has gone down the big reason given for the costs going up. I am keeping the heat and showed him carbonless pricing 20% below his. Ordered 8 cartons and show him the invoice. I told him he lost that business and he needs to get better or I will look to switch more. Now I will say I like Xpedx and buy 98% of my paper from them and do not buy on price alone. I still want to work with them, but at this point I need to put their feet to the fire. I believe if I do not they will keep raising me. Yes paper is going up but the merchants are also adding on a profit more than they did before. Time for a heart to heart talk with your suppliers. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Wed Aug 13 16:29:24 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (Larry Taylor) Date: Wed Aug 13 16:29:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry Message-ID: Hello......out of the respect for other printowners, I'm not posting anymore. That's because I did not look at the entire youtube video. I offer my apologies for offending anyone, I was shocked when I looked at the entire thing. Sorry. Sincerely, Larry Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 85711 www.theshackbook.com The book that really opened my eyes. From dominick at fmtc.com Wed Aug 13 16:34:40 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Wed Aug 13 16:34:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A34560.8010401@fmtc.com> We all mess up, apology accepted. I say don't quit posting. We all take a chance clicking on youtube links. (and I have been busy so did not click.) Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Larry Taylor wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello......out of the respect for other printowners, I'm not posting > anymore. That's because > I did not look at the entire youtube video. I offer my apologies for > offending anyone, > I was shocked when I looked at the entire thing. Sorry. > > Sincerely, Larry > > > > Larry Taylor > Desert Pacific Printing > Tucson, AZ 85711 > > > www.theshackbook.com > > The book that really opened my eyes. > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: > 270.6.2/1609 - Release Date: 8/13/2008 6:43 AM > > > From cpurvine1 at cox.net Wed Aug 13 16:36:34 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Wed Aug 13 16:36:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry In-Reply-To: <48A34560.8010401@fmtc.com> References: <48A34560.8010401@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <012b01c8fd84$46ef2fd0$6401a8c0@coranew> I didn't click either so I wasn't offended, but don't think I will click now Don't quit posting..... Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dominick's Printing Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 3:35 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We all mess up, apology accepted. I say don't quit posting. We all take a chance clicking on youtube links. (and I have been busy so did not click.) Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Larry Taylor wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello......out of the respect for other printowners, I'm not posting > anymore. That's because > I did not look at the entire youtube video. I offer my apologies for > offending anyone, > I was shocked when I looked at the entire thing. Sorry. > > Sincerely, Larry > > > > Larry Taylor > Desert Pacific Printing > Tucson, AZ 85711 > > > www.theshackbook.com > > The book that really opened my eyes. > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: > 270.6.2/1609 - Release Date: 8/13/2008 6:43 AM > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3352 (20080813) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From kathy at mpcny.com Wed Aug 13 16:39:08 2008 From: kathy at mpcny.com (Kathy Henry) Date: Wed Aug 13 16:39:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01c201c8fd84$a30e1a60$e92a4f20$@com> Now I want to click! Don't stop posting - remember the time I posted about my husband's underwear? If I can get through that embarrassing moment, you can too! Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower." Steve Jobs 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Larry Taylor Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 4:29 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hello......out of the respect for other printowners, I'm not posting anymore. That's because I did not look at the entire youtube video. I offer my apologies for offending anyone, I was shocked when I looked at the entire thing. Sorry. Sincerely, Larry Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 85711 www.theshackbook.com The book that really opened my eyes. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.2/1609 - Release Date: 8/13/2008 6:43 AM From mike at arborprinting.com Wed Aug 13 16:45:38 2008 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Wed Aug 13 16:43:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF Help References: <83d5b9620808070952l6ba97568vb2d5f29aa17a7b24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <022301c8fd85$8bf4e7e0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> We have a customer who supplied us with a PDF. It is supposed to bleed, but the page size is 8.5 x 11. We asked the customer to supply us a file that bleeds, their response was, "we've printed from these files before with no problem." How do we get it to bleed and still be 8.5 x 11? Am I missing something? Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. 5100 Academy Dr., Ste 100 Lisle, IL 60532 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Daghir" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Excel Help > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > A google search leads me to believe that there isn't a built-in > function in Excel to do this. But here's a Visual Basic macro that > looks like it might do the trick: > > http://tinyurl.com/6ch73p > > > -- > Jeff Daghir > MPS Printing, Inc. > "The Ink & Paper People" > Madison, IN > www.mpsprinting.com > jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com > > > Jace said: >> I have to fill out stock certificates for a new bank in town. The >> customer >> provided a spreadsheet with the number of shares each shareholder bought. >> He >> wants us to print the number onto each certificate (for instance, >> 2050) but also wants the number printed in text (two thousand fifty) in >> another area. Is there a command in Excel to convert the number to text? >> I've tried using the number to text command but that didn't work. > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From bob at gallagherprint.com Wed Aug 13 16:47:58 2008 From: bob at gallagherprint.com (Bob Gallagher) Date: Wed Aug 13 16:48:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8/13/08 4:29 PM, "Larry Taylor" wrote: I didn't look at the video, but hope you will continue to post. If I had a nickel for every time I screwed up..... Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 http://www.gallagherprint.com An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network From swiftyprinting at mac.com Wed Aug 13 16:49:36 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Wed Aug 13 16:49:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF Help In-Reply-To: <022301c8fd85$8bf4e7e0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> References: <83d5b9620808070952l6ba97568vb2d5f29aa17a7b24@mail.gmail.com> <022301c8fd85$8bf4e7e0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: On Aug 13, 2008, at 4:45 PM, Mike@arborprinting.com wrote: > We have a customer who supplied us with a PDF. It is supposed to > bleed, but the page size is 8.5 x 11. We asked the customer to > supply us a file that bleeds, their response was, "we've printed > from these files before with no problem." How do we get it to bleed > and still be 8.5 x 11? Am I missing something? Too many ways to answer this. If the file was created properly the bleed is there (your RIP can step and repeat it with crops and bleed or you can do that in Acrobat, step and repeat 1 up with bleeds and crops) you just can't see them, also depends on the view. If the file is not correct then once again too many ways to fix them and possiblities to give you specific instructions. From manually fixxing to using plug ins which auto fix them. Send it to jobs@arlingtonswifty.com and I can answer more specific. (I am here for 15 more minutes) Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From ray at capitol-copy.com Wed Aug 13 16:50:16 2008 From: ray at capitol-copy.com (Ray Sziber) Date: Wed Aug 13 16:50:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Poster Laminator/Mounter: Serious Equipment or Toy? In-Reply-To: <20080813195057.92BC5102A53E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <002701c8fd86$31f27f40$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> We presently mount our wide format jobs by hand with acceptable results. But it is slow and the overspray is a nuisance, so we need to upgrade. Is anyone using the Daige Quikmount? Comments appreciated! http://www.daige.com/quikmount.htm Ray Sziber Capitol Copy Service NAQP NAPL 116 West State Street Trenton NJ 08608 Ph 609-989-8776 Fx609-989-9570 www.Capitol-Copy.com Now Offering Large Format Printing! verkin tala From nt at andrewsblueprint.com Wed Aug 13 17:07:39 2008 From: nt at andrewsblueprint.com (Nancy Thomsen) Date: Wed Aug 13 17:07:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080813210729.1CD02102A952@rb.enter.net> Whoa, Larry. That was supposed to be a private email. You just made a mistake - a mistake we have all made. I watched the video. I thought it was funny. But then I liked Pineapple Express, so go figure. I realize there are many folks on this list that enjoy putting other folks down for making a mistake. Those people don't understand the stakes. If you feel you can't continue, then post on the PONG site - we're not very uptight over there. Nancy At 01:29 PM 8/13/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Hello......out of the respect for other printowners, I'm not posting >anymore. That's because >I did not look at the entire youtube video. I offer my apologies >for offending anyone, >I was shocked when I looked at the entire thing. Sorry. > >Sincerely, Larry > > > >Larry Taylor >Desert Pacific Printing >Tucson, AZ 85711 Nancy Thomsen Andrews Blueprint, Inc. 269 Griffin St. Salinas, CA 93901 Phone: (831) 424-0331 www.andrewsblueprint.com From jodib at blackfoot.net Wed Aug 13 17:10:38 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Wed Aug 13 17:10:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF Help References: <83d5b9620808070952l6ba97568vb2d5f29aa17a7b24@mail.gmail.com><022301c8fd85$8bf4e7e0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <01bd01c8fd89$097c7f40$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Mike: When I've created a file in Indesign (as a bleed) the Bleed and Slug area (under marks and bleed) MUST BE SELECTED referencing amount of bleed (.25 .5, etc) in order for pdf to come out properly. Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] PDF Help > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > On Aug 13, 2008, at 4:45 PM, Mike@arborprinting.com wrote: > >> We have a customer who supplied us with a PDF. It is supposed to bleed, >> but the page size is 8.5 x 11. We asked the customer to supply us a file >> that bleeds, their response was, "we've printed from these files before >> with no problem." How do we get it to bleed and still be 8.5 x 11? Am I >> missing something? > > Too many ways to answer this. If the file was created properly the bleed > is there (your RIP can step and repeat it with crops and bleed or you can > do that in Acrobat, step and repeat 1 up with bleeds and crops) you just > can't see them, also depends on the view. > > If the file is not correct then once again too many ways to fix them and > possiblities to give you specific instructions. From manually fixxing to > using plug ins which auto fix them. > > Send it to jobs@arlingtonswifty.com and I can answer more specific. (I am > here for 15 more minutes) > > > > > Chuck Pappas > Arlington Swifty Printing > 1386 Massachusetts Avenue > Arlington, MA 02476 > 781-646-8700 > www.arlingtonswifty.com > Member: National Association of Quick Printers > Print Industry of New England > GATF > Adobe Service Network > Quark Alliance > Microsoft Publisher Provider > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From char at themasterspress.com Wed Aug 13 17:28:32 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Wed Aug 13 17:28:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0BCDACFCC76E4B23A570BE2E553C8373@CharXP> Larry please don't leave over a mistake you made. If you got some flack take it - you apologized and move on but don't leave us. You have valuable information that you contribute. Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Larry Taylor Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 3:29 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hello......out of the respect for other printowners, I'm not posting anymore. That's because I did not look at the entire youtube video. I offer my apologies for offending anyone, I was shocked when I looked at the entire thing. Sorry. Sincerely, Larry Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 85711 www.theshackbook.com The book that really opened my eyes. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3352 (20080813) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3352 (20080813) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From printer at ptialaska.net Wed Aug 13 17:34:59 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Wed Aug 13 17:35:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry In-Reply-To: <20080813210729.1CD02102A952@rb.enter.net> References: <20080813210729.1CD02102A952@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <566B39AE-CCCF-49CB-A0DA-A2EF2E3C634F@ptialaska.net> AWWW, they took it off. Guess you can stay now... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From keli at parchmentpress.net Wed Aug 13 17:42:03 2008 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Wed Aug 13 17:42:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Offset presses selling Message-ID: <48A3552B.8000802@parchmentpress.net> Hello... We were an offset shop for over 20 years but in the last 5 we have been in the path to become more and more digital... We are holding onto 2 presses for the future.. BUT we have a few that we want to sell.. Wanting a few ideas to get rid of them quick and for decent money... I have an ITEK 975 Perfector that was working but needs a little help for registration.. We also have an AB Dick 360 and a AB Dick 9865 with chain delivery.. We do have a T-head for the 360.. Anyone interested or know of someone that would want them Soon? Know any good Brokers that pay decently? thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 ph:518-731-7768 From dominick at fmtc.com Wed Aug 13 17:48:19 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Wed Aug 13 17:48:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Offset presses selling In-Reply-To: <48A3552B.8000802@parchmentpress.net> References: <48A3552B.8000802@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <48A356A3.4030001@fmtc.com> Keli, Give Nash a call. He is an exporter, paid cashier check, and paid for shipping. He might be interested. Has a very thick accent so listen carefully... n11441@hotmail.com NASH TRADING CO, INC. www.nashgraphicmachinery.com TELL:972-836-3338 FAX : 1- 214-556-1152 CELL: 469-742-1004 Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Keli of Coxsackie wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello... > We were an offset shop for over 20 years but in the last 5 we have > been in the path to become more and more digital... > We are holding onto 2 presses for the future.. BUT we have a few that > we want to sell.. > Wanting a few ideas to get rid of them quick and for decent money... > > I have an ITEK 975 Perfector that was working but needs a little help > for registration.. > We also have an AB Dick 360 and a AB Dick 9865 with chain delivery.. > We do have a T-head for the 360.. > > Anyone interested or know of someone that would want them Soon? > Know any good Brokers that pay decently? > > thanks, > Michael Markuson (aka Keli) > Parchment Press > 52 S River St > Coxsackie, NY 12051 > ph:518-731-7768 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: > 270.6.2/1609 - Release Date: 8/13/2008 6:43 AM > > > From joe at calagaz.com Wed Aug 13 18:03:53 2008 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Wed Aug 13 18:04:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF Help Message-ID: The other guys may be undercutting the final output, get a sample and measure it.... Joe Calagaz Calagaz Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mike@arborprinting.com Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 3:46 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF Help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have a customer who supplied us with a PDF. It is supposed to bleed, but the page size is 8.5 x 11. We asked the customer to supply us a file that bleeds, their response was, "we've printed from these files before with no problem." How do we get it to bleed and still be 8.5 x 11? Am I missing something? Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. 5100 Academy Dr., Ste 100 Lisle, IL 60532 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Daghir" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Excel Help > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > A google search leads me to believe that there isn't a built-in > function in Excel to do this. But here's a Visual Basic macro that > looks like it might do the trick: > > http://tinyurl.com/6ch73p > > > -- > Jeff Daghir > MPS Printing, Inc. > "The Ink & Paper People" > Madison, IN > www.mpsprinting.com > jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com > > > Jace said: >> I have to fill out stock certificates for a new bank in town. The >> customer >> provided a spreadsheet with the number of shares each shareholder bought. >> He >> wants us to print the number onto each certificate (for instance, >> 2050) but also wants the number printed in text (two thousand fifty) in >> another area. Is there a command in Excel to convert the number to text? >> I've tried using the number to text command but that didn't work. > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Wed Aug 13 18:09:12 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Wed Aug 13 18:09:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Offset presses selling In-Reply-To: <48A3552B.8000802@parchmentpress.net> References: <48A3552B.8000802@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <48A35B88.9040004@satx.rr.com> I"ve always said that AB Dick made damn fine boat anchors. I can't see much use for them beyond that. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Keli of Coxsackie wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello... > We were an offset shop for over 20 years but in the last 5 we have > been in the path to become more and more digital... > We are holding onto 2 presses for the future.. BUT we have a few that > we want to sell.. > Wanting a few ideas to get rid of them quick and for decent money... > > I have an ITEK 975 Perfector that was working but needs a little help > for registration.. > We also have an AB Dick 360 and a AB Dick 9865 with chain delivery.. > We do have a T-head for the 360.. > > Anyone interested or know of someone that would want them Soon? > Know any good Brokers that pay decently? > > thanks, > Michael Markuson (aka Keli) > Parchment Press > 52 S River St > Coxsackie, NY 12051 > ph:518-731-7768 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From keli at parchmentpress.net Wed Aug 13 18:19:20 2008 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Wed Aug 13 18:19:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Offset presses selling In-Reply-To: <48A3552B.8000802@parchmentpress.net> References: <48A3552B.8000802@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <48A35DE8.2090100@parchmentpress.net> We are not using them and they are just sitting here - Anyone have any idea how much is a good price? thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Parchment Press is a cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes. To learn more about our community please go here... http://www.twelvetribes.com Keli of Coxsackie wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello... > We were an offset shop for over 20 years but in the last 5 we have > been in the path to become more and more digital... > We are holding onto 2 presses for the future.. BUT we have a few that > we want to sell.. > Wanting a few ideas to get rid of them quick and for decent money... > > I have an ITEK 975 Perfector that was working but needs a little help > for registration.. > We also have an AB Dick 360 and a AB Dick 9865 with chain delivery.. > We do have a T-head for the 360.. > > Anyone interested or know of someone that would want them Soon? > Know any good Brokers that pay decently? > > thanks, > Michael Markuson (aka Keli) > Parchment Press > 52 S River St > Coxsackie, NY 12051 > ph:518-731-7768 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Aug 13 18:23:06 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 13 18:23:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry Message-ID: In a message dated 8/13/2008 4:29:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eatnsleepgolf@msn.com writes: I did not look at the entire youtube video. I offer my apologies for offending anyone, I was shocked when I looked at the entire thing. Sorry. Larry, I missed the post and link that you are apologizing for... could you repost the link to the bad you-tube thing so I could be shocked and then maybe write something nasty? John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt and myself. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From slb at inkspot.net Wed Aug 13 18:24:49 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Aug 13 18:25:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Offset presses selling In-Reply-To: <48A35B88.9040004@satx.rr.com> References: <48A3552B.8000802@parchmentpress.net>, <48A35B88.9040004@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <48A326F1.7263.EDB37FB@slb.inkspot.net> Nah. I'll take a Danforth. A 360's got nowhere near enough holding power for the weight. If you're looking for exporters, you could also try Boggs Metals, in Ohio (800 837 8101). Steve > > I"ve always said that AB Dick made damn fine boat anchors. I can't see > much use for them beyond that. > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > Ewing and Sons Printing > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > San Antonio, TX 78233 > dennisewing@satx.rr.com > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com > 210/650-5311 > 210/650-9916 Fax > > > > Keli of Coxsackie wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Hello... > > We were an offset shop for over 20 years but in the last 5 we have > > been in the path to become more and more digital... > > We are holding onto 2 presses for the future.. BUT we have a few that > > we want to sell.. > > Wanting a few ideas to get rid of them quick and for decent money... > > > > I have an ITEK 975 Perfector that was working but needs a little help > > for registration.. > > We also have an AB Dick 360 and a AB Dick 9865 with chain delivery.. > > We do have a T-head for the 360.. > > > > Anyone interested or know of someone that would want them Soon? > > Know any good Brokers that pay decently? > > > > thanks, > > Michael Markuson (aka Keli) > > Parchment Press > > 52 S River St > > Coxsackie, NY 12051 > > ph:518-731-7768 > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3353 (20080813) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From slb at inkspot.net Wed Aug 13 20:05:33 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Aug 13 20:06:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF Help In-Reply-To: <022301c8fd85$8bf4e7e0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> References: , <022301c8fd85$8bf4e7e0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <48A33E8D.12930.F377405@slb.inkspot.net> If the file wasn't created with bleeds, and you're stuck, a couple of options are: 1. enlarge it just a bit, so you have about 1/16" to trim 2. open it in Illustrator (if you have the fonts), and stretch the background a bit (depends on the design). Chuck, what plug-ins automatically fix this? Steve > > We have a customer who supplied us with a PDF. It is supposed to bleed, but > the page size is 8.5 x 11. We asked the customer to supply us a file that > bleeds, their response was, "we've printed from these files before with no > problem." How do we get it to bleed and still be 8.5 x 11? Am I missing > something? > Michael Shuta > > Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. > 5100 Academy Dr., Ste 100 > Lisle, IL 60532 > 630-969-2277 > www.arborprinting.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Daghir" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 11:52 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Excel Help > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > A google search leads me to believe that there isn't a built-in > > function in Excel to do this. But here's a Visual Basic macro that > > looks like it might do the trick: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/6ch73p > > > > > > -- > > Jeff Daghir > > MPS Printing, Inc. > > "The Ink & Paper People" > > Madison, IN > > www.mpsprinting.com > > jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com > > > > > > Jace said: > >> I have to fill out stock certificates for a new bank in town. The > >> customer > >> provided a spreadsheet with the number of shares each shareholder bought. > >> He > >> wants us to print the number onto each certificate (for instance, > >> 2050) but also wants the number printed in text (two thousand fifty) in > >> another area. Is there a command in Excel to convert the number to text? > >> I've tried using the number to text command but that didn't work. > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3352 (20080813) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From John at mpcny.com Wed Aug 13 20:25:04 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Wed Aug 13 20:25:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Paper costs In-Reply-To: <20080813203634.E4562102A7C4@rb.enter.net> References: <20080813203634.E4562102A7C4@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: 100% agree with a lot of what you're saying, but just like us they have to "sell me" on why I should pay more. My salesperson has not been able to do that. In May I got 4 cartons of 100lb cover. It was curled when cut and would not feed. I ruined 4 blankets and a day of work. Guess what I got? zilch. He said I cut it and opened the boxes; he did not even go to the mill to try and get me money. Claimed it was the heat,( AC and dehumidified here) a week later you still could ski on it.. So now he raises price, I still have bad taste about that last service issue and I reminded him about it, he did a long quite pause. Now he is seeing what he do about the price. Remember Xpedx just report increased profits as they raised the prices faster than the mills did to them. No problem we are all here to make money. I will say this, the "price" you pay better be the best you can get. I get off the bracket pricing on every full carton. If you not getting this you need to have a chat. + can you really tell me the 20lb bond you buy is not a commodity? I have seen some here buying at Sams and Cosco for god sake. I also buy fore DP 24lb as it looks and runs better on the 8500. But on the press we use 40 cartons + a month of 20lb 11x17. Any brand runs 10m hr. I buy 98% of the paper from and him, even if I switch will buy about 90% here on out. A little competition keeps things honest. So yes it is the same but I do just what some do to me. Beat them up; to they sell me on why to pay more... this guy is not doing that. Last year I spent over $70m with him, next year it will be over $150m he knows he needs to be in the game. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Aug 13 20:24:43 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Aug 13 20:26:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] So much for your sooper-dooper "TRADE" printers In-Reply-To: <48A33E8D.12930.F377405@slb.inkspot.net> References: <022301c8fd85$8bf4e7e0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <48A33E8D.12930.F377405@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <200808140026.m7E0QMHh051343@i2bnetworks.com> For all of you out there basing your business model to partner with these super duper "trade" printers that "sell only to the trade" uh huh..right. Here's a thread on LinkedIn thats just getting started on a question about a good online printer people can rely on. http://tinyurl.com/6yhxyd Seems like those responding aren't really printers, but end users. I'ms sure as the thread develops Growl.com and all the others will come up as great resources as well. Just thought you might want to know what others are saying.... S. _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From dgtday at aol.com Wed Aug 13 20:42:23 2008 From: dgtday at aol.com (dgtday@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 13 20:42:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Check Printing Source? In-Reply-To: <9BDB6719-ED61-4464-887C-30FA45B9C761@holmesprinting.com> References: <20080812002705.13E351025489@rb.enter.net> <9BDB6719-ED61-4464-887C-30FA45B9C761@holmesprinting.com> Message-ID: <8CACBBDC042A42B-694-5668@WEBMAIL-NG07.sysops.aol.com> Carisa, I have a good one, but it is in California. If you cant find one closer, let me know. David Youngs DGT Orange, CA dgtday@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Carisa Holmes-Peters To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 7:04 am Subject: [PrintOwners] Check Printing Source? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? I am looking for a vendor to print checks. Does anyone have a good referral they have been pleased with?? ? Thanks!? ? Carisa Holmes-Peters? HOLMES Printing? 401 E. Columbia Street ? Springfield, OH 45503? Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 ? Fax (937) 322-1601? carisa@holmesprinting.com ? http://www.holmesprinting.com/? ? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? From afok at minutemanpress.com Wed Aug 13 17:20:39 2008 From: afok at minutemanpress.com (Anna Fok) Date: Wed Aug 13 21:20:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Consecutive numbering and bar code on mylar labels Message-ID: <48A35027.606@minutemanpress.com> Hello, customer is looking for white MYLAR labels ( 1 color, bleed, round corners) with BOTH consecutive numbering and bar code. LabelArt can do Mylar and numbering but not barcoding (the cannot laminate over barcoding) and without lamination ink will smear. AmeriCal can do numbering and barcoding but on polyester, not on Mylar. Customer is specifically asking for Mylar. I do have a sample of the label from the customer so somebody out there got it done. Any advise? Thanks, -- Anna Fok Owner Minuteman Press - Santa Clara afok@minutemanpress.com www.sc.minutemanpress.com 1274 Benton Street Santa Clara, Ca 95050 ph: 408 260 0600 fax: 408 260 0655 From championprinting at yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 21:51:26 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Wed Aug 13 21:51:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry Message-ID: <67563.35777.qm@web38304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I watched it. I am surprised you were shocked, embarrassed maybe, but shocked??? I'll tell you the same thing?I tell my (former) employees "If this is the worst thing that happened to you today, it's a good day!" This certainly is not something to quit over. ?Ted Gelletly Allegra Print & Imaging (formerly Champion Printing) 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@allegraeldersburg.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Larry Taylor To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 4:29:24 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hello......out of the respect for other printowners, I'm not posting anymore.? That's because I did not look at the entire youtube video.? I offer my apologies for offending anyone, I was shocked when I looked at the entire thing.? Sorry. Sincerely, Larry Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 85711 www.theshackbook.com The book that really opened my eyes. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dvmonto at optonline.net Wed Aug 13 22:58:07 2008 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Wed Aug 13 22:58:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lightening strike and surge protectors. Message-ID: On Monday we had lightening strike a utility pole at the edge of our parking lot. Blew the top 8 feet of the power pole to pieces that were scattered up to 150 feet. Luckily no one was hurt but it sure made a large boom. All the surge protectors that our equipment was plugged into worked. Only problem was the surge went through the cable line into our cable modem. It then fried the router, switch, 24" iMac, Dell desktop, Ethernet card on C6500 Creo. We were in the process of shutting down equipment and unplugging them when it struck so luckily that was all that got cooked. It never crossed my mind about protecting the cable line coming into the building (DUH). I found this item online. Would it be enough to stop a surge? http://www.pccables.com/02404.htm What are other people using to protect their equipment from lightening damage through cable or DSL? -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net -- "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 From acepm2 at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 06:05:46 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Thu Aug 14 06:05:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Larry, Ya big ol' baby! I just watched the videos. No big deal. Folks have a "cancel" button just like they have a "delete" button for mail. Actually it was kind of funny.....but I like that type of humor! Look, if we can put up with the spelling beeeee champion "Jhon Hneeyr" and the politically correct "John Stewart".... I doubt folks are sitting on the sideline saying .... did you see what that damn Larry Taylor posted??? We need to boot his ass out of here. Forget about it my friend. No big deal. We have all done the same thing. I remember someone here posting a love note to their significant other that we all got a chance to read! It was funny and they still post. Don't sweat the small stuff. If you quit posting.... we're coming out there to shake you by the head! Your friend, Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Larry Taylor wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello......out of the respect for other printowners, I'm not posting > anymore. That's because > I did not look at the entire youtube video. I offer my apologies for > offending anyone, > I was shocked when I looked at the entire thing. Sorry. > > Sincerely, Larry > > > > Larry Taylor > Desert Pacific Printing > Tucson, AZ 85711 > > > www.theshackbook.com > > The book that really opened my eyes. > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From swiftyprinting at mac.com Thu Aug 14 07:54:43 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Thu Aug 14 07:54:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF Help In-Reply-To: <48A33E8D.12930.F377405@slb.inkspot.net> References: <022301c8fd85$8bf4e7e0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <48A33E8D.12930.F377405@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: On Aug 13, 2008, at 8:05 PM, Steve Blatman wrote: > Chuck, what plug-ins automatically fix this? I meant this only works when the bleed is there but invisible - If created correctly then Arts Crackerjack, Quite Imposing will do it. I didn't mean to imply there is a magic plug in which will do it for you, although Esko PackEdge (specifically designed for the package/box industry) does have a feature called "Fix Bleed". Although I have I never used it. If it is not there then you would have to do it manually (just like in a native program - extending any solids and photos beyond the trim box). Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From hal at pickimp.com Thu Aug 14 09:09:19 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Thu Aug 14 09:07:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry References: Message-ID: <004201c8fe0e$fbdcadc0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> I've been on these lists forever, in fact when I started John Stewart was young. Trust me here, that's pretty tame stuff if you look at the big picture of what's been posted over the years. Worry about anything else. Hal From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Thu Aug 14 10:49:50 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Thu Aug 14 10:49:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84BCA0FC-D46E-4728-B1FF-1B75BF6B7CB2@bellsouth.net> Larry, Shaking by the head hurts! You don't want that... Best to post an "I don't quit cause so many people on this list love me!" to the list asap! Seriously, don't quit! Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Aug 14, 2008, at 6:05 AM, Thom Gulyas wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Larry, > > Ya big ol' baby! I just watched the videos. No big deal. Folks have a > "cancel" button just like they have a "delete" button for mail. > Actually it > was kind of funny.....but I like that type of humor! > > Look, if we can put up with the spelling beeeee champion "Jhon > Hneeyr" and > the politically correct "John Stewart".... I doubt folks are sitting > on the > sideline saying .... did you see what that damn Larry Taylor > posted??? We > need to boot his ass out of here. > > Forget about it my friend. No big deal. We have all done the same > thing. I > remember someone here posting a love note to their significant other > that we > all got a chance to read! It was funny and they still post. > > Don't sweat the small stuff. > > If you quit posting.... we're coming out there to shake you by the > head! > > Your friend, > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > www.acepm.com > > > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Larry Taylor > wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Hello......out of the respect for other printowners, I'm not posting >> anymore. That's because >> I did not look at the entire youtube video. I offer my apologies for >> offending anyone, >> I was shocked when I looked at the entire thing. Sorry. >> >> Sincerely, Larry >> >> >> >> Larry Taylor >> Desert Pacific Printing >> Tucson, AZ 85711 >> >> >> www.theshackbook.com >> >> The book that really opened my eyes. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > -- > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > Berlin, Maryland 21811 > www.acepm.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From jdaghir at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 10:58:54 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Thu Aug 14 10:58:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Copier Maintenance Cost In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0808130804q42471be1n5f4b36def535ab72@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0808130804q42471be1n5f4b36def535ab72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620808140758l440e848bw891c89fb0c26a04b@mail.gmail.com> I have the same thoughts Michael. I am finding it increasingly difficult to justify two color work from a cost standpoint, especially for short & medium run lengths. Case in point - we do a membership brochure for a local nonprofit organization. In the past they laid it out themselves in Publisher and we would print 1000 of them 4/4 on 80# gloss text on the copier. This year a designer volunteered his services to the nonprofit. He felt full color printing was too pricey for a nonprofit and redesigned the piece to be a 2 color duotone to "reduce the cost". Of course he didn't consult with us first and he specified two custom ink mix colors and fine paper from French Paper. He was also doing the layout in an old version of Freehand and was having problems properly creating the duotones so he asked us to create the duotones here. There were about 7 photos on the brochure so we charged an additional $100 for creating & placing the duotones. Our price for the "reduced cost" two color brochure: $709.70. Our price for the previous run of full color brochures: $518.46. I specifically made a point of informing both the designer and the director of the nonprofit the final total for the brochure before we printed them but I stopped short of explicitly saying "you're paying MORE for the two color". Although the two color brochure by the designer looked nice, I truthfully felt the full color brochure done in Publisher was a more effective marketing piece. And I suspect I made more profit on the full color brochures also - mixing the two inks, perfectly registering the two plates and getting the ink densities even across the sheet took a while. I can envision a time when we will do all work as process color regardless if it is one color, two color or full color. And I think that time is coming sooner rather than later. Currently the bulk of our work is still one & two color jobs but I have a nagging feeling that I'm in the buggy whip business. I find the transition to an all process world both exciting and frightening at the same time. And as usual I'm in a quandary as to how I should be pricing my work and what I should be recommending to my clients. I don't have any insightful revelations to the points you brought up but it appears my crystal ball is telling me similar things to your own. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com > What with the commoditization of full-color printing and the low prices it > has brought, I find myself often flinching at what we're charging for > two-color work, which can easily be more than the market-price for full > color. Most of our two-color printing consists of repeat orders, not new > ones. (New two-color business cards are, more often than not, done > digitally, not offset). I wonder if paper manufacturers have experienced a > significant decline in demand for color and textured text papers as a > result; or am I off the mark on this observation? Have you experienced a > relative decline in two-color printing? From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu Aug 14 10:59:52 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu Aug 14 11:00:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Deletions Message-ID: <8CACC358A895828-EA0-EE0@webmail-db11.sysops.aol.com> I've been running excel brand (2-3&4 part) through our canon 7095 for a long time. Now I am getting deletions only on the white & not every set. The info can be seen but faded out. Now when I run them in small quantities 45 at a time there is no deletions. It fades on the trail edge. Anyone else seen this problem? Canon can't figure it out. Tommy Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Thu Aug 14 11:03:15 2008 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Thu Aug 14 11:03:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry In-Reply-To: <84BCA0FC-D46E-4728-B1FF-1B75BF6B7CB2@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <008101c8fe1e$e1e367f0$5b01a8c0@fileserver> Larry, John Stewart did a survey and found you were in the top 25% percentile of the least irritating folks on the list so you are good to go. He recommends that you fire at least one person and raise your prices to the profit leaders average and you will be fine. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 11:10:58 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Aug 14 11:11:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry In-Reply-To: <008101c8fe1e$e1e367f0$5b01a8c0@fileserver> References: <84BCA0FC-D46E-4728-B1FF-1B75BF6B7CB2@bellsouth.net> <008101c8fe1e$e1e367f0$5b01a8c0@fileserver> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0808140810l7b66772bhcfc182511dcdcbfe@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Ed Pierce wrote: > > John Stewart ... recommends > that you fire at least one person and raise your prices to the profit > leaders average and you will be fine. No, no, not THAT! I'm strongly suspect Larry is one whose prices bring the average UP to where it is. He doesn't strike me as one who strives to be average, which is why he needs to keep posting. Stick around, Larry. > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Sir Francis Bacon > From bryan at printpartnersinc.com Thu Aug 14 11:16:16 2008 From: bryan at printpartnersinc.com (Bryan Hannon) Date: Thu Aug 14 11:16:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Deletions In-Reply-To: <8CACC358A895828-EA0-EE0@webmail-db11.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CACC358A895828-EA0-EE0@webmail-db11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <009001c8fe20$b2b8c040$182a40c0$@com> Tommy It is a humidity problem. The techs down here call it sky hopping. Try running the sheet letter r and see if it does it. The only way we have solved it is raise the humidity in the shop. The copier has to be at 5 gm min to self adjust.( this is what the techs have said and what has solved our problem ). We installed a humidifier to keep it constant.has worked very well. Hope this helps BRYAN Printing Partners, Inc 610 Indeneer Drive Suite 1 Kernersville, NC 27284 336-996-2268 336-992-2258 fax bryan@printpartnersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:00 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Deletions ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I've been running excel brand (2-3&4 part) through our canon 7095 for a long time. Now I am getting deletions only on the white & not every set. The info can be seen but faded out. Now when I run them in small quantities 45 at a time there is no deletions. It fades on the trail edge. Anyone else seen this problem? Canon can't figure it out. Tommy Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu Aug 14 11:24:55 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu Aug 14 11:25:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Offset presses selling In-Reply-To: <48A35B88.9040004@satx.rr.com> References: <48A3552B.8000802@parchmentpress.net> <48A35B88.9040004@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <8CACC3909DB0760-EA0-1107@webmail-db11.sysops.aol.com> Hey my 360 back in the day made tons of money for me. So easy to run my grandmother could of been the pressmen. I'll give $300 for it. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Ewing To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 6:09 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Offset presses selling ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? I"ve always said that AB Dick made damn fine boat anchors. I can't see much use for them beyond that.? ? Dennis W. Ewing Sr? Ewing and Sons Printing? 12000 Crownpoint, #130? San Antonio, TX 78233? dennisewing@satx.rr.com? ewingandsons@satx.rr.com? 210/650-5311? 210/650-9916 Fax? ? ? Keli of Coxsackie wrote:? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > Hello...? > We were an offset shop for over 20 years but in the last 5 we have > been in the path to become more and more digital...? > We are holding onto 2 presses for the future.. BUT we have a few that > we want to sell..? > Wanting a few ideas to get rid of them quick and for decent money...? >? > I have an ITEK 975 Perfector that was working but needs a lit tle help > for registration..? > We also have an AB Dick 360 and a AB Dick 9865 with chain delivery..? > We do have a T-head for the 360..? >? > Anyone interested or know of someone that would want them Soon?? > Know any good Brokers that pay decently?? >? > thanks,? > Michael Markuson (aka Keli)? > Parchment Press? > 52 S River St? > Coxsackie, NY 12051? > ph:518-731-7768? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu Aug 14 11:40:54 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu Aug 14 11:41:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry In-Reply-To: <004201c8fe0e$fbdcadc0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> References: <004201c8fe0e$fbdcadc0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <8CACC3B45BB87D2-EA0-126A@webmail-db11.sysops.aol.com> When was John every young! Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Hal Wendt To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 9:09 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I've been on these lists forever, in fact when I started John Stewart was young. Trust me here, that's pretty tame stuff if you look at the big picture of what's been posted over the years. Worry about anything else. Hal _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From swiftyprinting at mac.com Thu Aug 14 11:42:34 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Thu Aug 14 11:42:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Copier Maintenance Cost In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620808140758l440e848bw891c89fb0c26a04b@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0808130804q42471be1n5f4b36def535ab72@mail.gmail.com> <83d5b9620808140758l440e848bw891c89fb0c26a04b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1B66CC7C-C37A-417D-B262-3A9EFFDA6F38@mac.com> On Aug 14, 2008, at 10:58 AM, Jeff Daghir wrote: > I can envision a time when we will do all work as process color > regardless if it is one color, two color or full color. And I think > that time is coming sooner rather than late I agree Jeff and feel the time is now, but it depends on your equipment mix. We run a lot of jobs on our iGen even when they are only one or two color based on a cost/profit analysis. I think in the future spot color work will become a specialty and a higher priced old style craft type of item. It will be used in conjunction with process to create a unique looking piece using inks not attainable by process. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From info at desktopsxm.com Thu Aug 14 11:47:04 2008 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Thu Aug 14 11:47:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] broken carton charge from macpaper In-Reply-To: <002701c8fd86$31f27f40$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> References: <002701c8fd86$31f27f40$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> Message-ID: <461485BB-9C43-4C52-8A8C-DC85C627A3C0@desktopsxm.com> Those of you who use Macpaper as your supplier, do you pay a broken carton charge and if so how much? Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten Tel 542-4044 fax 543-1100 "The Printshop with a Difference" From kk1400 at charterinternet.com Thu Aug 14 11:50:07 2008 From: kk1400 at charterinternet.com (Monica Mead) Date: Thu Aug 14 11:50:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080814155001.PRLN3082.aacpub02.charter.net@DellD800.charterinternet.com> Stuff like that is only insulting if it's directed at someone personally. I thought the video was funny...reminded me of "The Secret Life of Walter Mitty." Monica Mead Kwik Kopy Printing Dundas, MN At 03:29 PM 8/13/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Hello......out of the respect for other printowners, I'm not posting anymore. That's because >I did not look at the entire youtube video. I offer my apologies for offending anyone, >I was shocked when I looked at the entire thing. Sorry. > >Sincerely, Larry > > > >Larry Taylor >Desert Pacific Printing >Tucson, AZ 85711 > > >www.theshackbook.com > >The book that really opened my eyes. > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3352 (20080813) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > From stalprint at charter.net Thu Aug 14 11:59:37 2008 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Thu Aug 14 11:59:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] ASI Discount Codes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A45669.8000600@charter.net> Think this is what you want A or P 50 B or Q 45 C or R 40 D or S 35 E or T 30 F or U 25 G or V 20 H or W 15 StevePrint wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Would someone email us what the ASI discount codes translate into discounts? >Thanks > >Steve Salstrom >Bay Business Printing >1521 Cornwall Ave. >Bellingham, WA 98225 >360-671-2997 >www.iorderprinting.com >Ideas & Solutions >http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu Aug 14 12:04:54 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu Aug 14 12:05:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Deletions In-Reply-To: <009001c8fe20$b2b8c040$182a40c0$@com> References: <8CACC358A895828-EA0-EE0@webmail-db11.sysops.aol.com> <009001c8fe20$b2b8c040$182a40c0$@com> Message-ID: <8CACC3EA005DFD2-EA0-1444@webmail-db11.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for the response. I just fin it weird when I run it in small quantities, there is no fading Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Hannon To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:16 am Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] RE: Deletions ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Tommy It is a humidity problem. The techs down here call it sky hopping. Try running the sheet letter r and see if it does it. The only way we have solved it is raise the humidity in the shop. The copier has to be at 5 gm min to self adjust.( this is what the techs have said and what has solved our problem ). We installed a humidifier to keep it constant.has worked very well. Hope this helps BRYAN Printing Partners, Inc 610 Indeneer Drive Suite 1 Kernersville, NC 27284 336-996-2268 336-992-2258 fax bryan@printpartnersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:00 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Deletions ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I've been running excel brand (2-3&4 part) through our canon 7095 for a long time. Now I am getting deletions only on the white & not every set. The info can be seen but faded out. Now when I run them in small quantities 45 at a time there is no deletions. It fades on the trail edge. Anyone else seen this problem? Canon can't figure it out. Tommy Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Thu Aug 14 12:13:33 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Thu Aug 14 12:13:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Epson Ink Cartridge Source??? In-Reply-To: <008101c8fe1e$e1e367f0$5b01a8c0@fileserver> References: <008101c8fe1e$e1e367f0$5b01a8c0@fileserver> Message-ID: We have a wide format color printer (Epson Stylus Pro 7000, 24" width) that I need to order more toner for. We have been buying ink jet cartridges for $49.95 each from The Epson Store for several years. For the heck of it, we checked and found a generic brand from www.inkjetcartridges.com for only $14.95 each, with free shipping from California for an order over $39.00. Does anyone have any experience with ink cartridges from this company for an Epson printer? I'd love to save $35.00 per cartridge, but not at the risk of creating problems or poor quality issues.... Thanks in advance for any comments and or advice! Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Aug 14, 2008, at 11:03 AM, Ed Pierce wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Larry, > > John Stewart did a survey and found you were in the top 25% > percentile of > the least irritating folks on the list so you are good to go. He > recommends > that you fire at least one person and raise your prices to the profit > leaders average and you will be fine. > > Ed Pierce > Graphic Print & Communication > Meridian MS > 601-485-7088 > ed@graphicprintersinc.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From sos at olympus.net Thu Aug 14 12:16:45 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Aug 14 12:17:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Buggy Whip business References: <98f5b19a0808130804q42471be1n5f4b36def535ab72@mail.gmail.com> <83d5b9620808140758l440e848bw891c89fb0c26a04b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003301c8fe29$25a9d320$6900a8c0@DANIEL> saying "you're paying MORE for the two > color". Although the two color brochure by the designer looked nice, I > truthfully felt the full color brochure done in Publisher was a more > effective marketing piece. I have a nagging feeling > that I'm in the buggy whip business. =================== Yep. Two color work still makes sense in many cases, but I agree with you. Full color is the future. In a slightly relevant tangent. . . I read where Heidelberg is going to move production of their Quickmaster presses to America. As in the United States of America. Ta da, here we are, the new China of press manufacturing. They just can't build them at a profit in Germany any more. I don't know what tells you, but I thought it was interesting. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From david at commercialpressink.com Thu Aug 14 12:21:17 2008 From: david at commercialpressink.com (David Charleson) Date: Thu Aug 14 12:17:06 2008 Subject: SPAM-HIGH: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A45B7D.30403@commercialpressink.com> Larry.....Don't quit!!! I thought the video was funny!!!....I think you will find almost all of us have a good sense of humor! Besides we all need a little laugh now and then, owning a print shop is stress enough > > -- David Charleson Commercial Press Inc. 216 Cowan Rd Canton NY 13617 P 315.386.3431 david@commercialpressink.com www.commercialpressink.com From steveprint at aol.com Thu Aug 14 00:20:01 2008 From: steveprint at aol.com (StevePrint) Date: Thu Aug 14 12:19:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Epson Ink Cartridge Source??? In-Reply-To: References: <008101c8fe1e$e1e367f0$5b01a8c0@fileserver>, Message-ID: <31adab43.f98d.4a4a.99f4.09b62e7fd453@aol.com> We have a Pro 9000 Epson and get the generics from G&G. Haven't experienced any issues other than saving lots of $$$. Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting In a message dated 08/14/08 09:14:41 Pacific Daylight Time, cpyxpres@bellsouth.net writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have a wide format color printer (Epson Stylus Pro 7000, 24" width) that I need to order more toner for. We have been buying ink jet cartridges for $49.95 each from The Epson Store for several years. For the heck of it, we checked and found a generic brand from www.inkjetcartridges.com for only $14.95 each, with free shipping from California for an order over $39.00. Does anyone have any experience with ink cartridges from this company for an Epson printer? I'd love to save $35.00 per cartridge, but not at the risk of creating problems or poor quality issues.... Thanks in advance for any comments and or advice! Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Aug 14, 2008, at 11:03 AM, Ed Pierce wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Larry, > > John Stewart did a survey and found you were in the top 25% > percentile of > the least irritating folks on the list so you are good to go. He > recommends > that you fire at least one person and raise your prices to the profit > leaders average and you will be fine. > > Ed Pierce > Graphic Print & Communication > Meridian MS > 601-485-7088 > ed@graphicprintersinc.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Aug 14 12:25:25 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Thu Aug 14 12:25:22 2008 Subject: SPAM-HIGH: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry In-Reply-To: <48A45B7D.30403@commercialpressink.com> References: <48A45B7D.30403@commercialpressink.com> Message-ID: <00ee01c8fe2a$5b8fa040$6401a8c0@coranew> I'm getting upset with all these posts....I never saw the video Could you please repost so I can see what everyone is talking about??????? Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of David Charleson Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:21 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: SPAM-HIGH: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Larry.....Don't quit!!! I thought the video was funny!!!....I think you will find almost all of us have a good sense of humor! Besides we all need a little laugh now and then, owning a print shop is stress enough > > -- David Charleson Commercial Press Inc. 216 Cowan Rd Canton NY 13617 P 315.386.3431 david@commercialpressink.com www.commercialpressink.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3356 (20080814) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From gamble at choiceonemail.com Thu Aug 14 12:30:52 2008 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Thu Aug 14 12:31:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Buggy Whip business In-Reply-To: <003301c8fe29$25a9d320$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <98f5b19a0808130804q42471be1n5f4b36def535ab72@mail.gmail.com><83d5b9620808140758l440e848bw891c89fb0c26a04b@mail.gmail.com> <003301c8fe29$25a9d320$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <007001c8fe2b$2054b410$0201a8c0@RICK> Dan, They have a revolving employee base of illegal immigrants that ask nothing more than a free meal and room and board...:) Ok that was bad but first thing that came to mind. Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 12:17 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Buggy Whip business ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** saying "you're paying MORE for the two > color". Although the two color brochure by the designer looked nice, I > truthfully felt the full color brochure done in Publisher was a more > effective marketing piece. I have a nagging feeling > that I'm in the buggy whip business. =================== Yep. Two color work still makes sense in many cases, but I agree with you. Full color is the future. In a slightly relevant tangent. . . I read where Heidelberg is going to move production of their Quickmaster presses to America. As in the United States of America. Ta da, here we are, the new China of press manufacturing. They just can't build them at a profit in Germany any more. I don't know what tells you, but I thought it was interesting. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Aug 14 12:30:15 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Aug 14 12:32:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200808141632.m7EGVt15098806@i2bnetworks.com> I thought it was pretty funny..... But then again, there isn't much out there that offends me. S. At 01:29 PM 8/13/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Hello......out of the respect for other printowners, I'm not posting >anymore. That's because >I did not look at the entire youtube video. I offer my apologies >for offending anyone, >I was shocked when I looked at the entire thing. Sorry. > >Sincerely, Larry > > > >Larry Taylor >Desert Pacific Printing >Tucson, AZ 85711 > > >www.theshackbook.com > >The book that really opened my eyes. > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3352 (20080813) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From sos at olympus.net Thu Aug 14 12:32:25 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Aug 14 12:32:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Iron Workers References: <98f5b19a0808130804q42471be1n5f4b36def535ab72@mail.gmail.com><83d5b9620808140758l440e848bw891c89fb0c26a04b@mail.gmail.com> <003301c8fe29$25a9d320$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <006a01c8fe2b$55e1a840$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Hey Uncle Hal, I looked up Iron Workers on Wikipedia, but I still don't have any idea what they do. Lots of information on the Amalgamated Iron & Steel Workers Union, and how it merged with the Vulcans and stuff. But I give up. . . What do they do? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Thu Aug 14 12:35:05 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Thu Aug 14 12:33:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry In-Reply-To: <84BCA0FC-D46E-4728-B1FF-1B75BF6B7CB2@bellsouth.net> References: <84BCA0FC-D46E-4728-B1FF-1B75BF6B7CB2@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <000601c8fe2b$b6aeffb0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Darn! I missed that U-Tube! Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ben Travis Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:50 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Larry, Shaking by the head hurts! You don't want that... Best to post an "I don't quit cause so many people on this list love me!" to the list asap! Seriously, don't quit! Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Aug 14, 2008, at 6:05 AM, Thom Gulyas wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Larry, > > Ya big ol' baby! I just watched the videos. No big deal. Folks have a > "cancel" button just like they have a "delete" button for mail. > Actually it > was kind of funny.....but I like that type of humor! > > Look, if we can put up with the spelling beeeee champion "Jhon > Hneeyr" and > the politically correct "John Stewart".... I doubt folks are sitting > on the > sideline saying .... did you see what that damn Larry Taylor > posted??? We > need to boot his ass out of here. > > Forget about it my friend. No big deal. We have all done the same > thing. I > remember someone here posting a love note to their significant other > that we > all got a chance to read! It was funny and they still post. > > Don't sweat the small stuff. > > If you quit posting.... we're coming out there to shake you by the > head! > > Your friend, > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > www.acepm.com > > > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Larry Taylor > wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Hello......out of the respect for other printowners, I'm not posting >> anymore. That's because >> I did not look at the entire youtube video. I offer my apologies for >> offending anyone, >> I was shocked when I looked at the entire thing. Sorry. >> >> Sincerely, Larry >> >> >> >> Larry Taylor >> Desert Pacific Printing >> Tucson, AZ 85711 >> >> >> www.theshackbook.com >> >> The book that really opened my eyes. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > -- > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > Berlin, Maryland 21811 > www.acepm.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Thu Aug 14 12:44:26 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Thu Aug 14 12:44:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cy's old remarks Re: ASI Discount Codes Message-ID: Cy Stapleton has a old web page with his tutorial on how to get into the advertising specialty business as an outstanding profit center.. I may disagree some with the outstanding part, I mostly use for my own promos. You find the codes and some tips. Not sure where Cy is now, last I heard retired and selling on eBay. http://www.hotlinecy.com/images/adspec.htm John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From communicar at aol.com Thu Aug 14 12:50:05 2008 From: communicar at aol.com (communicar@aol.com) Date: Thu Aug 14 12:50:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Copier Maintenance Cost In-Reply-To: <1B66CC7C-C37A-417D-B262-3A9EFFDA6F38@mac.com> References: <98f5b19a0808130804q42471be1n5f4b36def535ab72@mail.gmail.com> <83d5b9620808140758l440e848bw891c89fb0c26a04b@mail.gmail.com> <1B66CC7C-C37A-417D-B262-3A9EFFDA6F38@mac.com> Message-ID: <8CACC44EF7E28E2-17E4-DED@webmail-nd05.sysops.aol.com> I agree. We just received an order for 1,000 2 color, letterpress printed business cards/wine labels. Client wants the old world look and feel; likes the debossed look of the letterpess. With new dies, it is only $1,060, plus tax. Ken Azebu Communicart Graphics & Printing 499 Aldo Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408) 970-0922 (408) 970-8630 Fax -----Original Message----- From: Chuck To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 8:42 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Color Copier Maintenance Cost ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? On Aug 14, 2008, at 10:58 AM, Jeff Daghir wrote:? ? > I can envision a time when we will do all work as process color? > regardless if it is one color, two color or full color. And I think? > that time is coming sooner rather than late? ? I agree Jeff and feel the time is now, but it depends on your equipment mix. We run a lot of jobs on our iGen even when they are only one or two color based on a cost/profit analysis.? ? I think in the future spot color work will become a specialty and a higher priced old style craft type of item. It will be used in conjunction with process to create a unique looking piece using inks not attainable by process.? ? ? Chuck Pappas? Arlington Swifty Printing? 1386 Massachusetts Avenue? Arlington, MA 02476? 781-646-8700? www.arlingtonswifty.com? Member: National Association of Quick Printers? Print Industry of New England? GATF? Adobe Service Network? Quark Alliance? Microsoft Publisher Provider? ? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From slb at inkspot.net Thu Aug 14 12:52:13 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Aug 14 12:53:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Deletions In-Reply-To: <8CACC358A895828-EA0-EE0@webmail-db11.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CACC358A895828-EA0-EE0@webmail-db11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <48A42A7D.3691.12D020F3@slb.inkspot.net> When we've seen deletions (white areas about the size of a quarter, with fuzzy edges) on our b/w copiers, it's always been a humidity issue. When the paper gets too moist, it doesn't hold the charge, so it doesn't attract the toner. This time of year, it can be a problem if you turn off your air conditioning at night. If you open fresh, factory-wrapped paper, and you don't get deletions, that's probably the diagnosis. HTH, Steve > > I've been running excel brand (2-3&4 part) through our canon 7095 for a > long time. Now I am getting deletions only on the white & not every > set. The info can be seen but faded out. Now when I run them in small > quantities 45 at a time there is no deletions. It fades on the trail > edge. Anyone else seen this problem? Canon can't figure it out. > > Tommy > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3356 (20080814) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From jdaghir at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 12:57:39 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Thu Aug 14 12:57:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Iron Workers In-Reply-To: <006a01c8fe2b$55e1a840$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <98f5b19a0808130804q42471be1n5f4b36def535ab72@mail.gmail.com> <83d5b9620808140758l440e848bw891c89fb0c26a04b@mail.gmail.com> <003301c8fe29$25a9d320$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <006a01c8fe2b$55e1a840$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <83d5b9620808140957g2532fd9bkb666510114b2586a@mail.gmail.com> My brother-in-law is an Iron Worker. They do structual steel fabrication & erection. Stuff like I-beams for bridges & large buildings. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Dan said; > I looked up Iron Workers on Wikipedia, but I still don't have any idea what > they do. Lots of information on the Amalgamated Iron & Steel Workers Union, > and how it merged with the Vulcans and stuff. But I give up. . . > What do they do? From slb at inkspot.net Thu Aug 14 13:05:29 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Aug 14 13:06:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrink wrap pricing? Message-ID: <48A42D99.14733.12DC4766@slb.inkspot.net> We haven't done a lot of shrinkwrapping, but we just picked up an L- sealer to go with the tunnel that's leftover from a business we absorbed. A customer has asked us for a price on notecards, printed and packed for sale (in packages of 10 cards and 10 or 11 envelopes). I have no idea what to charge for this. I'll do some kind of time study at some point, but I don't even have a good feel for what constitutes a reasonable level of productivity, so even that is a shot in the dark. Anybody willing to share pricing for shrinkwrapping? Then, at least, I can get an idea of what our productivity has to be to make any money at it.... TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu Aug 14 13:07:32 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu Aug 14 13:07:54 2008 Subject: SPAM-HIGH: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry In-Reply-To: <48A45B7D.30403@commercialpressink.com> References: <48A45B7D.30403@commercialpressink.com> Message-ID: <8CACC47602A2528-EA0-1895@webmail-db11.sysops.aol.com> Enough with this video already. Unless of course I get to see it. Please send. : ) Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: David Charleson To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:21 pm Subject: Re: SPAM-HIGH: [PrintOwners] I'm quitting...very sorry ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Larry.....Don't quit!!! I thought the video was funny!!!....I think you will find almost all of us have a good sense of humor! Besides we all need a little laugh now and then, owning a print shop is stress enough? >? >? ? -- ? David Charleson? ? Commercial Press Inc.? ? 216 Cowan Rd? ? Canton NY 13617? ? P 315.386.3431? ? david@commercialpressink.com? ? www.commercialpressink.com? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From slb at inkspot.net Thu Aug 14 13:09:25 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Aug 14 13:10:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 3302 registration? Message-ID: <48A42E85.12503.12DFE36C@slb.inkspot.net> What's reasonable for registration in two passes on a 3302? How much movement would you expect on say, a letterhead, or, say, business cards? (I'm assuming that the cards would register better because paper flexibility at the push guide would be less of a factor, but I could use some experienced advice here.....) Thanks, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu Aug 14 13:10:58 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu Aug 14 13:11:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Deletions In-Reply-To: <48A42A7D.3691.12D020F3@slb.inkspot.net> References: <8CACC358A895828-EA0-EE0@webmail-db11.sysops.aol.com> <48A42A7D.3691.12D020F3@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <8CACC47DA52E8E3-EA0-18D3@webmail-db11.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Steve, but you would think that the tech's would have some kind of idea of what is causing it. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Blatman To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:52 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Deletions ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** When we've seen deletions (white areas about the size of a quarter, with fuzzy edges) on our b/w copiers, it's always been a humidity issue. When the paper gets too moist, it doesn't hold the charge, so it doesn't attract the toner. This time of year, it can be a problem if you turn off your air conditioning at night. If you open fresh, factory-wrapped paper, and you don't get deletions, that's probably the diagnosis. HTH, Steve > > I've been running excel brand (2-3&4 part) through our canon 7095 for a > long time. Now I am getting deletions only on the white & not every > set. The info can be seen but faded out. Now when I run them in small > quantities 45 at a time there is no deletions. It fades on the trail > edge. Anyone else seen this problem? Canon can't figure it out. > > Tommy > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3356 (20080814) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mark at cordesprinting.com Thu Aug 14 14:28:28 2008 From: mark at cordesprinting.com (Mark Cordes) Date: Thu Aug 14 14:22:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] GTO 52 Plates Needed Message-ID: <48A4794C.3070902@cordesprinting.com> We recently switched to computer to plate and now have a need to make a conventional metal plate from some old flats (no file available!). Does anyone out there have GTO 52 plates and would be willing to sell me some? I really don't want to buy a box of 50 which we probably will never use up. Thanks! Mark Mark Cordes Cordes Printing, Inc. 460 Braen Avenue Wyckoff, NJ 07481 201.652.7272 mark@cordesprinting.com www.cordesprinting.com From championprinting at yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 14:22:36 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Thu Aug 14 14:23:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Iron Workers Message-ID: <995293.84839.qm@web38301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syuQB1XgfoA Beware, I did not prescreen the entire video and an in no way responsible for its content. I'm pretty sure it's OK. I was an estimator for a construction company (in a past life). All of our field employees were from Local 5. They were a talented, hardworking bunch of guys. Ted Gelletly Allegra Print & Imaging (formerly Champion Printing) 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@allegraeldersburg.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Dan Huntingford To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 12:32:25 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Iron Workers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hey Uncle Hal, I looked up Iron Workers on Wikipedia, but I still don't have any idea what they do. Lots of information on the Amalgamated Iron & Steel Workers Union, and how it merged with the Vulcans and stuff. But I give up. . . What do they do? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From dennis.trump at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 14:36:54 2008 From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump) Date: Thu Aug 14 14:36:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] GTO 52 Plates Needed In-Reply-To: <48A4794C.3070902@cordesprinting.com> References: <48A4794C.3070902@cordesprinting.com> Message-ID: <41aa6a080808141136h74ede827r4ffbd590046134c1@mail.gmail.com> Dang it I think we just pitched a box last week. I'll check to see if they actually made it to the trash. If I have them you have to take my 6000 watt light source with the plate. You will need to expose it after all . -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Mark Cordes wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We recently switched to computer to plate and now have a need to make a > conventional metal plate from some old flats (no file available!). Does > anyone out there have GTO 52 plates and would be willing to sell me some? I > really don't want to buy a box of 50 which we probably will never use up. > > Thanks! > > Mark > > Mark Cordes > > Cordes Printing, Inc. > 460 Braen Avenue > Wyckoff, NJ 07481 > > 201.652.7272 > > mark@cordesprinting.com > > www.cordesprinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From bnjbriggs at juno.com Thu Aug 14 14:34:55 2008 From: bnjbriggs at juno.com (bnjbriggs@juno.com) Date: Thu Aug 14 14:37:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cy Stapleton Message-ID: <20080814.143455.15592.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Cy had an e-mail list similar to this one years ago until it got ruined by a fellow printer from the Chicago area. Everybody then moved over to Bob's printweb list. His Helene's Hot Line was also a good resource. I believe that he is retired. Bob Briggs Evangel Printers, Bucksport, ME ____________________________________________________________ Click to see huge collection of designer watches. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iie2atlvoym2Dqpf35uQl0HthPHfOIamaM9uKkNnrQnyMFRys/ From John at mpcny.com Thu Aug 14 14:51:56 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Thu Aug 14 14:52:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re 3302 registration? Message-ID: <8BCDEE73294A4C489BC6097EB23AD404@Leo4allPC> Little to none, we can hit on 95% of the sheets. You have to have real good in feed roller with no flat spots. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Thu Aug 14 15:04:14 2008 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Thu Aug 14 15:04:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrink wrap pricing? In-Reply-To: <48A42D99.14733.12DC4766@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: We charge around $.30 to .35. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 12:05 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrink wrap pricing? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We haven't done a lot of shrinkwrapping, but we just picked up an L- sealer to go with the tunnel that's leftover from a business we absorbed. A customer has asked us for a price on notecards, printed and packed for sale (in packages of 10 cards and 10 or 11 envelopes). I have no idea what to charge for this. I'll do some kind of time study at some point, but I don't even have a good feel for what constitutes a reasonable level of productivity, so even that is a shot in the dark. Anybody willing to share pricing for shrinkwrapping? Then, at least, I can get an idea of what our productivity has to be to make any money at it.... TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1610 - Release Date: 8/13/2008 4:14 PM From joe at calagaz.com Thu Aug 14 15:16:51 2008 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Thu Aug 14 15:16:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Mac Message-ID: I am looking to add a Mac to my prepress department.....any suggestions? I looked at the apple site and I really don't want to spend $2-3,000....but I will need something that will work.... Thanks Joe Calagaz Calagaz Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 From IRPRNTR at aol.com Thu Aug 14 15:17:16 2008 From: IRPRNTR at aol.com (IRPRNTR@aol.com) Date: Thu Aug 14 15:17:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 3302 registration? Message-ID: Not to sound cruel, but I solved my problem by not buying a 3302 but a Hamada 248 instead. Larger print area, landscape feed and pull guides. Registers on 100% of the sheets. Old 770 with push guides will not register good enough even on heavy stock at slow speed. Key words: pull guides TJ ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) From hal at pickimp.com Thu Aug 14 15:28:35 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Thu Aug 14 15:27:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Iron Workers References: <98f5b19a0808130804q42471be1n5f4b36def535ab72@mail.gmail.com><83d5b9620808140758l440e848bw891c89fb0c26a04b@mail.gmail.com><003301c8fe29$25a9d320$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <006a01c8fe2b$55e1a840$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <000e01c8fe43$f557e020$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> They erect the iron framing on buildings, they build our bridges, they clean and refurbish blast furnaces, they hang curtains, they install doors and they remove "stuff". My father-in-law ran the gangs that installed the first hangar doors across the country when the Boeing 707 began its life. He ran the gang that installed the doors for NORAD at Cheyenne Mountain and removed 100's of missile silos. to name a few. Most of his work on the road was in so-called right to work states. He never did any work in Hawaii but worked in the other 49. Hal From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Thu Aug 14 15:34:23 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Harkins) Date: Thu Aug 14 15:34:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Mac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8/14/08 2:16 PM, "Joe Calagaz" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am looking to add a Mac to my prepress department.....any suggestions? > I looked at the apple site and I really don't want to spend > $2-3,000....but I will need something that will work.... I bought a 24" iMac earlier this year and it seems to be doing the job. Great, huge screen. Runs CS3 without any problems and Printer's Plan runs on the PC side. We have a G5 tower in our graphics department at the moment, but when it's time for a replacement, I will probably get another 24" iMac. Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From swiftyprinting at mac.com Thu Aug 14 15:34:01 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Thu Aug 14 15:34:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F2715AB-DF93-4D68-BEC9-9669B946C29A@mac.com> On Aug 14, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Joe Calagaz wrote: > I looked at the apple site and I really don't want to spend > $2-3,000....but I will need something that will work... First, if you belong to NAQP you get special pricing. A year ago we experimented with just an iMac as one of our graphic computers. Added Vista via Parallels. It has been fine, enough horsepower to run photoshop, indesign, illustrator on both the pc and mac side. The only drawback on the iMac is the RAM limitation. 1,600 to 2,100 is the range you will be spending. The iMac is in its mid cycle see: http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/ P.S. there is speculation that there will be a new Intel chip for these machines in October and that there may be a defect in ALL of NVIDEA video cards for ALL device. Presumably a chip defect. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From hal at pickimp.com Thu Aug 14 15:39:09 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Thu Aug 14 15:37:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cy Stapleton References: <20080814.143455.15592.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <000c01c8fe45$717ee800$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> I can't for the life of me remember that guy's name. I do remember his post about his wife having sex with the press operator in the dark room, he enjoyed watching. John Stewart took a side-trip from the NAQP show check out the guy's shop. Hal From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Aug 14 15:39:23 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Aug 14 15:39:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Big into sign industry? Message-ID: I know this is a printer's list but I am eager to talk to someone in private about the sign industry and their experiences in it.... Ideally, I am looking for someone who is as big into signs as he or she is into printing. Specifically, I need some help with details for breakdowns on sales categories and cost of goods categories for this industry. Thanks. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Aug 14 15:52:35 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Thu Aug 14 15:52:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cy Stapleton In-Reply-To: <000c01c8fe45$717ee800$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> References: <20080814.143455.15592.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> <000c01c8fe45$717ee800$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <015901c8fe47$4c238af0$6401a8c0@coranew> Another mystery Now how long are we going to have to wait to see who that was???? Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Hal Wendt Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:39 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Cy Stapleton ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I can't for the life of me remember that guy's name. I do remember his post about his wife having sex with the press operator in the dark room, he enjoyed watching. John Stewart took a side-trip from the NAQP show check out the guy's shop. Hal _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3356 (20080814) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Thu Aug 14 15:55:21 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Thu Aug 14 15:55:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cy Stapleton In-Reply-To: <000c01c8fe45$717ee800$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> References: <20080814.143455.15592.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> <000c01c8fe45$717ee800$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <9D579BBC-B6AA-496E-B51B-BA25BFA306EB@inkonpaper.biz> On Aug 14, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Hal Wendt wrote: > I can't for the life of me remember that guy's name. I do remember > his post about his wife having sex with the press operator in the > dark room, he enjoyed watching. for heaven sakes get this guy and his wife back on the list Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." From dennis.trump at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 15:58:18 2008 From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump) Date: Thu Aug 14 15:58:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] GTO 52 Plates Needed In-Reply-To: <48A4794C.3070902@cordesprinting.com> References: <48A4794C.3070902@cordesprinting.com> Message-ID: <41aa6a080808141258o496f73d9v1a54076f0e556eb9@mail.gmail.com> Sorry Mark our plates are gone. -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Mark Cordes wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We recently switched to computer to plate and now have a need to make a > conventional metal plate from some old flats (no file available!). Does > anyone out there have GTO 52 plates and would be willing to sell me some? I > really don't want to buy a box of 50 which we probably will never use up. > > Thanks! > > Mark > > Mark Cordes > > Cordes Printing, Inc. > 460 Braen Avenue > Wyckoff, NJ 07481 > > 201.652.7272 > > mark@cordesprinting.com > > www.cordesprinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From sos at olympus.net Thu Aug 14 16:16:04 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Aug 14 16:16:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Big into sign industry? References: Message-ID: <00f801c8fe4a$9422c200$6900a8c0@DANIEL> I am eager to talk to someone in private > about the sign industry and their experiences in it.... ===================== Tammie at Quick Print & Signs E-mail Address(es): tammie@macombprinter.com They do a lot of signs, and in fact I believe sell a sign making kit to help other printers get into the sign business, and consult. Tell her I said Hi. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From pica18 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 14 16:17:16 2008 From: pica18 at hotmail.com (s polk) Date: Thu Aug 14 16:17:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Offset presses selling In-Reply-To: <48A326F1.7263.EDB37FB@slb.inkspot.net> References: <48A3552B.8000802@parchmentpress.net>, <48A35B88.9040004@satx.rr.com> <48A326F1.7263.EDB37FB@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: Put an ad in your local classified or craigslist. there always seems to be a pressman ready to start a printing business in his garage. SteveMcKinsey Printing Tryon, NC > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:24:49 -0400> From: slb@inkspot.net> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Offset presses selling> To: printowners@printweb.org> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****> > Nah. I'll take a Danforth. A 360's got nowhere near enough holding > power for the weight. > > If you're looking for exporters, you could also try Boggs Metals, in > Ohio (800 837 8101).> > Steve> > > > > > I"ve always said that AB Dick made damn fine boat anchors. I can't see > > much use for them beyond that.> > > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr> > Ewing and Sons Printing> > 12000 Crownpoint, #130> > San Antonio, TX 78233> > dennisewing@satx.rr.com> > ewingandsons@satx.rr.com> > 210/650-5311> > 210/650-9916 Fax> > > > > > > > Keli of Coxsackie wrote:> > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****> > >> > > Hello...> > > We were an offset shop for over 20 years but in the last 5 we have > > > been in the path to become more and more digital...> > > We are holding onto 2 presses for the future.. BUT we have a few that > > > we want to sell..> > > Wanting a few ideas to get rid of them quick and for decent money...> > >> > > I have an ITEK 975 Perfector that was working but needs a little help > > > for registration..> > > We also have an AB Dick 360 and a AB Dick 9865 with chain delivery..> > > We do have a T-head for the 360..> > >> > > Anyone interested or know of someone that would want them Soon?> > > Know any good Brokers that pay decently?> > >> > > thanks,> > > Michael Markuson (aka Keli)> > > Parchment Press> > > 52 S River St> > > Coxsackie, NY 12051> > > ph:518-731-7768> > > _______________________________________________> > > PrintOwners Discussion List> > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org> > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________> > PrintOwners Discussion List> > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org> > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners> > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 3353 (20080813) Information __________> > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.> > http://www.eset.com> > > > > > Steve Blatman> Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.> 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA> Tel: 610-647-0776> Fax: 610-647-4560> > _______________________________________________> PrintOwners Discussion List> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners> _________________________________________________________________ Reveal your inner athlete and share it with friends on Windows Live. http://revealyourinnerathlete.windowslive.com?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WLYIA_whichathlete_us From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Aug 14 16:18:15 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Aug 14 16:18:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Big into sign industry? Message-ID: In a message dated 8/14/2008 4:16:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sos@olympus.net writes: Tammie at Quick Print & Signs E-mail Address(es): tammie@macombprinter.com They do a lot of signs, and in fact I believe sell a sign making kit to help other printers get into the sign business, and consult. Yup already thought of her but she is out of town until Monday. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu Aug 14 16:34:56 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu Aug 14 16:35:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Big into sign industry? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CACC645974226B-C8-A81@webmail-db11.sysops.aol.com> I might be able to help some on that issue. What exactly do you want to produce? Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: QKCONSULT@aol.com To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 3:39 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] Big into sign industry? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I know this is a printer's list but I am eager to talk to someone in private about the sign industry and their experiences in it.... Ideally, I am looking for someone who is as big into signs as he or she is into printing. Specifically, I need some help with details for breakdowns on sales categories and cost of goods categories for this industry. Thanks. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolau t00030000000007 ) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From gamble at choiceonemail.com Thu Aug 14 16:46:10 2008 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Thu Aug 14 16:46:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] GTO 52 Plates Needed In-Reply-To: <41aa6a080808141258o496f73d9v1a54076f0e556eb9@mail.gmail.com> References: <48A4794C.3070902@cordesprinting.com> <41aa6a080808141258o496f73d9v1a54076f0e556eb9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00a301c8fe4e$c8ab8fd0$0201a8c0@RICK> Mark What size are those plates as I have a box of old plates for my 3302 I am not using that are 13 3/4 x 19 1/2. Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Trump Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:58 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] GTO 52 Plates Needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Sorry Mark our plates are gone. -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Mark Cordes wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We recently switched to computer to plate and now have a need to make a > conventional metal plate from some old flats (no file available!). Does > anyone out there have GTO 52 plates and would be willing to sell me some? I > really don't want to buy a box of 50 which we probably will never use up. > > Thanks! > > Mark > > Mark Cordes > > Cordes Printing, Inc. > 460 Braen Avenue > Wyckoff, NJ 07481 > > 201.652.7272 > > mark@cordesprinting.com > > www.cordesprinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bherion at bucksdigital.com Thu Aug 14 16:55:27 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Thu Aug 14 16:55:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrink wrap pricing? Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080814165526.0343ada0@bucksdigital.com> At 03:34 PM 8/14/2008, Bernie wrote: >We charge around $.30 to .35. Yup. Same here. I also picked up a Wexler paper bander (someone here recommended, I think - thank you!) That baby is a gem and looks very professional on items such as the note cards/envelope project you are describing. Comes in super handy off the folder or the saddle stitch - the same operator wraps in a second right off of those machines. A really great investment. Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu Aug 14 16:58:19 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu Aug 14 17:00:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrink wrap pricing? In-Reply-To: <20080814182304.C2B8E102D14A@rb.enter.net> References: <20080814182304.C2B8E102D14A@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <4625B081-58A7-4B8F-8965-FEDA863B5EC2@sheergraphics.com> > Anybody willing to share pricing for shrinkwrapping? $7.725 setup $0.375 per shrink no minimum charge Higher or lower depending upon perceived value by customer and us! Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From mfoster at chilitech.net Thu Aug 14 17:03:24 2008 From: mfoster at chilitech.net (Michael Foster) Date: Thu Aug 14 17:03:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrink wrap pricing? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080814165526.0343ada0@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: I thought I read in one of the pricing studies that the going rate was 50? per package, which is what we charge. -- Michael Foster The Print Shoppe 421 Washington Blvd. Williamsport, PA 17701 570-327-9005 Fax 570-327-9149 www.theprintshoppe.com mfoster@chilitech.net > From: Bob Herion > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:55:27 -0400 > To: > Subject: Re:[PrintOwners] Shrink wrap pricing? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > At 03:34 PM 8/14/2008, Bernie wrote: >> We charge around $.30 to .35. > > Yup. Same here. > I also picked up a Wexler paper bander (someone here recommended, I > think - thank you!) > That baby is a gem and looks very professional on items such as the > note cards/envelope project you are describing. > Comes in super handy off the folder or the saddle stitch - the same > operator wraps in a second right off of those machines. > A really great investment. > > > Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! > We use Recycled and Certified Papers > Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 > 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 > www.bucksdigital.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 17:26:15 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Aug 14 17:26:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrink wrap pricing? In-Reply-To: <4625B081-58A7-4B8F-8965-FEDA863B5EC2@sheergraphics.com> References: <20080814182304.C2B8E102D14A@rb.enter.net> <4625B081-58A7-4B8F-8965-FEDA863B5EC2@sheergraphics.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0808141426p4c8629c5ga938dcb84279c88b@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Simon Sheers wrote: > Higher or lower depending upon perceived value by customer and us! I'll go along with Simon on that. We've got several shrink-wrap choices in our PrintersPlan menu of activities; they range from 81 to 89 cents each. Then again, *counting* and shrink-wrapping is another story: $1.44 each. Of course, we can also lower our prices when deemed necessary, but it rarely has been. In the case of Steve's question, it certainly would be, and my formula -- after realistically determining how many packages per hour can be realistically counted and wrapped -- would be: (hourly cost of bindery labor+equipment) + (pkgs/hr x material cost per pkg) x 2 divided by number of packages per hour. I seriously don't think a price in the 30-cent range is something you'll want an employee to spend a lot of time doing. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From char at themasterspress.com Thu Aug 14 17:43:54 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Thu Aug 14 17:43:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrink wrap pricing? In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080814165526.0343ada0@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: That is what we charge unless we are on a tight bid for a very large job. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Foster Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:03 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Shrink wrap pricing? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I thought I read in one of the pricing studies that the going rate was 50? per package, which is what we charge. -- Michael Foster The Print Shoppe 421 Washington Blvd. Williamsport, PA 17701 570-327-9005 Fax 570-327-9149 www.theprintshoppe.com mfoster@chilitech.net > From: Bob Herion > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:55:27 -0400 > To: > Subject: Re:[PrintOwners] Shrink wrap pricing? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > At 03:34 PM 8/14/2008, Bernie wrote: >> We charge around $.30 to .35. > > Yup. Same here. > I also picked up a Wexler paper bander (someone here recommended, I > think - thank you!) > That baby is a gem and looks very professional on items such as the > note cards/envelope project you are describing. > Comes in super handy off the folder or the saddle stitch - the same > operator wraps in a second right off of those machines. > A really great investment. > > > Bob Herion - Now with three iGen3's running 2 shifts - variable, too! > We use Recycled and Certified Papers > Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 > 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 > www.bucksdigital.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3356 (20080814) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3356 (20080814) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Aug 14 18:07:00 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Aug 14 18:08:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrink wrap pricing? In-Reply-To: <48A42D99.14733.12DC4766@slb.inkspot.net> References: <48A42D99.14733.12DC4766@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <200808142208.m7EM8e81077845@i2bnetworks.com> @$0.50 We shrink wrap everything except business cards which go in little boxes, (which we also charge $0.50 for.) S. At 10:05 AM 8/14/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We haven't done a lot of shrinkwrapping, but we just picked up an L- >sealer to go with the tunnel that's leftover from a business we >absorbed. > >A customer has asked us for a price on notecards, printed and packed >for sale (in packages of 10 cards and 10 or 11 envelopes). I have no >idea what to charge for this. I'll do some kind of time study at some >point, but I don't even have a good feel for what constitutes a >reasonable level of productivity, so even that is a shot in the dark. > >Anybody willing to share pricing for shrinkwrapping? > >Then, at least, I can get an idea of what our productivity has to be >to make any money at it.... > >TIA, >Steve > >Steve Blatman >Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >Tel: 610-647-0776 >Fax: 610-647-4560 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3356 (20080814) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From joseph at mauiprintworks.com Thu Aug 14 20:21:47 2008 From: joseph at mauiprintworks.com (Joseph Marsh) Date: Thu Aug 14 20:21:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wireless Phones for Shop Message-ID: Yesterday was the last day of our lead CSR/Graphics gal. Today I am running around the shop from phone to phone trying to get things done. Do any of you use a wireless phone system that works well in a printshop environment? It seems like when we try a new phone in here there is too much interference from all of the equipment in here. We only have 2 lines for the shop so it doesn't have to be a huge system. Thanks. Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 Cell: 808-264-6382 joseph@mauiprintworks.com From printer at ptialaska.net Thu Aug 14 20:29:00 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Thu Aug 14 20:34:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon IR 7105 or Minolta 1050 bizhub Message-ID: <2AE3643E-3712-45C3-A5B6-945EDE9167EA@ptialaska.net> We are looking at a used 7105 with large cap tray, saddle stitcher, professional punch (44 hole) with 6 dies, s2 fiery, for about 22k. with only 220,000 clicks on it. Would you rather have the canon or a new Konica Minolta Bizhub 1050? _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From robin at protypeonline.com Thu Aug 14 21:14:41 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Thu Aug 14 21:14:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: New Mac Message-ID: <0779253C-26D1-4CFA-95A2-63DD27AD7ADD@protypeonline.com> Joe, I needed an inexpensive mac workstation at my new location -- mini mac -- $500 and then used a Dell flat panel monitor, 17" that we already had -- works great and came network ready.... :) robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From slb at inkspot.net Thu Aug 14 21:52:39 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Aug 14 21:53:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wireless Phones for Shop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A4A927.24995.14BDF9BF@slb.inkspot.net> When I started doing a lot of sales calling, I asked about headsets. Several here recommended GNNetcomm for a wireless headset. I've also heard good things about Plantronics wireless headsets. I find it's very convenient to be able to walk around the shop wearing a headset, and pick up the phone when it rings. I wish I could dial it similarly..... http://tinyurl.com/5hrp66 HTH, Steve > > Yesterday was the last day of our lead CSR/Graphics gal. Today I am > running around the shop from phone to phone trying to get things > done. Do any of you use a wireless phone system that works well in a > printshop environment? It seems like when we try a new phone in here > there is too much interference from all of the equipment in here. We > only have 2 lines for the shop so it doesn't have to be a huge > system. Thanks. > > > Joseph Marsh > Maui Print Works > Phone: 808-242-6634 > Fax: 808-242-8967 > Cell: 808-264-6382 > joseph@mauiprintworks.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3357 (20080814) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From slb at inkspot.net Thu Aug 14 21:57:00 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Aug 14 21:57:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wireless Phones for Shop In-Reply-To: <48A4A927.24995.14BDF9BF@slb.inkspot.net> References: , <48A4A927.24995.14BDF9BF@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <48A4AA2C.31246.14C1F2CC@slb.inkspot.net> Actually, though, I'm pretty sure I bought it from newegg, rather than Hello Direct... Steve > > When I started doing a lot of sales calling, I asked about headsets. > Several here recommended GNNetcomm for a wireless headset. I've also > heard good things about Plantronics wireless headsets. I find it's > very convenient to be able to walk around the shop wearing a headset, > and pick up the phone when it rings. I wish I could dial it > similarly..... > > http://tinyurl.com/5hrp66 > > HTH, > Steve > > > > > > Yesterday was the last day of our lead CSR/Graphics gal. Today I am > > running around the shop from phone to phone trying to get things > > done. Do any of you use a wireless phone system that works well in a > > printshop environment? It seems like when we try a new phone in here > > there is too much interference from all of the equipment in here. We > > only have 2 lines for the shop so it doesn't have to be a huge > > system. Thanks. > > > > > > Joseph Marsh > > Maui Print Works > > Phone: 808-242-6634 > > Fax: 808-242-8967 > > Cell: 808-264-6382 > > joseph@mauiprintworks.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 3357 (20080814) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3357 (20080814) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From joseph at mauiprintworks.com Thu Aug 14 22:13:09 2008 From: joseph at mauiprintworks.com (Joseph Marsh) Date: Thu Aug 14 22:13:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wireless Phones for Shop In-Reply-To: <48A4AA2C.31246.14C1F2CC@slb.inkspot.net> References: , <48A4A927.24995.14BDF9BF@slb.inkspot.net> <48A4AA2C.31246.14C1F2CC@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <45856B73-AA5D-4FE3-A8BF-86A12F02BFAD@mauiprintworks.com> Steve, Does that work for a 2 line phone? Joseph On Aug 14, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Steve Blatman wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Actually, though, I'm pretty sure I bought it from newegg, rather > than Hello Direct... > > Steve > >> >> When I started doing a lot of sales calling, I asked about headsets. >> Several here recommended GNNetcomm for a wireless headset. I've also >> heard good things about Plantronics wireless headsets. I find it's >> very convenient to be able to walk around the shop wearing a headset, >> and pick up the phone when it rings. I wish I could dial it >> similarly..... >> >> http://tinyurl.com/5hrp66 >> >> HTH, >> Steve >> >> >>> >>> Yesterday was the last day of our lead CSR/Graphics gal. Today I am >>> running around the shop from phone to phone trying to get things >>> done. Do any of you use a wireless phone system that works well >>> in a >>> printshop environment? It seems like when we try a new phone in >>> here >>> there is too much interference from all of the equipment in >>> here. We >>> only have 2 lines for the shop so it doesn't have to be a huge >>> system. Thanks. >>> >>> >>> Joseph Marsh >>> Maui Print Works >>> Phone: 808-242-6634 >>> Fax: 808-242-8967 >>> Cell: 808-264-6382 >>> joseph@mauiprintworks.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ NOD32 3357 (20080814) Information __________ >>> >>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >> >> Steve Blatman >> Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >> 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >> Tel: 610-647-0776 >> Fax: 610-647-4560 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3357 (20080814) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 Cell: 808-264-6382 joseph@mauiprintworks.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Aug 14 22:48:12 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Aug 14 22:50:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wireless Phones for Shop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200808150249.m7F2nqfa026297@i2bnetworks.com> When I'm actually in the office, most of the time I'm yakking on the phone to someone. I use this: http://tinyurl.com/2y8m5p Rocks. Big Time. I also have a second identical headset http://tinyurl.com/6hpvhg that is linked to my TREO for when I'm yakking out of the office. Excllent sound quality and will have the range to be anywhere in your building Joe (won't stretch to Sam Sato's... but hey nothing's perfect) I would rank this system in the top five things that add to my productivity. Highly recommended. S. At 05:21 PM 8/14/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Yesterday was the last day of our lead CSR/Graphics gal. Today I am >running around the shop from phone to phone trying to get things >done. Do any of you use a wireless phone system that works well in a >printshop environment? It seems like when we try a new phone in here >there is too much interference from all of the equipment in here. We >only have 2 lines for the shop so it doesn't have to be a huge >system. Thanks. > > >Joseph Marsh >Maui Print Works >Phone: 808-242-6634 >Fax: 808-242-8967 >Cell: 808-264-6382 >joseph@mauiprintworks.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3357 (20080814) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From joseph at mauiprintworks.com Fri Aug 15 00:04:15 2008 From: joseph at mauiprintworks.com (Joseph Marsh) Date: Fri Aug 15 00:04:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wireless Phones for Shop In-Reply-To: <200808150249.m7F2nqfa026297@i2bnetworks.com> References: <200808150249.m7F2nqfa026297@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: Scott- What type of phone system do you use in your shop? We have some 15 year old 2 line phones that we got for about $50 back in the day. Will a headset like this work with an older phone or will I have to upgrade all of my phones as well? Thanks. Joseph On Aug 14, 2008, at 4:48 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > When I'm actually in the office, most of the time I'm yakking on > the phone to someone. > > I use this: > > http://tinyurl.com/2y8m5p > > Rocks. Big Time. > > I also have a second identical headset http://tinyurl.com/6hpvhg > > that is linked to my TREO for when I'm yakking out of the office. > > Excllent sound quality and will have the range to be anywhere in > your building Joe (won't stretch to Sam Sato's... but hey nothing's > perfect) > > I would rank this system in the top five things that add to my > productivity. > > Highly recommended. > > S. > > > > > At 05:21 PM 8/14/2008, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Yesterday was the last day of our lead CSR/Graphics gal. Today I am >> running around the shop from phone to phone trying to get things >> done. Do any of you use a wireless phone system that works well in a >> printshop environment? It seems like when we try a new phone in here >> there is too much interference from all of the equipment in here. We >> only have 2 lines for the shop so it doesn't have to be a huge >> system. Thanks. >> >> >> Joseph Marsh >> Maui Print Works >> Phone: 808-242-6634 >> Fax: 808-242-8967 >> Cell: 808-264-6382 >> joseph@mauiprintworks.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3357 (20080814) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 Cell: 808-264-6382 joseph@mauiprintworks.com From hal at pickimp.com Fri Aug 15 08:47:57 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Fri Aug 15 08:46:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cy Stapleton References: <20080814.143455.15592.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com><000c01c8fe45$717ee800$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> <015901c8fe47$4c238af0$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <001301c8fed5$27ad0a00$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Now how long are we going to have to wait to see who that was????> Money speeds everything up. Hal From hal at pickimp.com Fri Aug 15 08:55:59 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Fri Aug 15 08:54:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] And the answer is . . . . . . . . . . inside Message-ID: <002d01c8fed6$469845a0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Bob Bergey was kind enough to fill in my memeory gaps. Thanks Bob. Charles Brinkman Hal From danf at mmsny.com Fri Aug 15 08:54:25 2008 From: danf at mmsny.com (Daniel Flatt) Date: Fri Aug 15 08:56:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon IR 7105 or Minolta 1050 bizhub In-Reply-To: <2AE3643E-3712-45C3-A5B6-945EDE9167EA@ptialaska.net> References: <2AE3643E-3712-45C3-A5B6-945EDE9167EA@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <7AA4E499F75C454D864713FEF2958D3341BB2C@BE09.exg4.exghost.com> Charles, I have a long history with Canon as my father owned a dealership for 20 years before selling it to IKON in 1998 and I sold the high end color and b/w machines. But when I first saw a demo in Buffalo in 2003, I was sold. We have 3 Konica Minolta Bizhbpro 1050's. One base unit with three extra feed drawers and internal rip, one with the large capacity stacker and the rip and extra feed drawers and one with a cover inserter/folder and booklet maker. We run the snot out of these and they work like champs. We have no minimum on any machine and pay less than 4mil per 12x18 side. It feeds gloss stock like a pro. I would highly recommend these. We put around 500,000 prints out per month (90% oversize) Dan Flatt owner Multi Media Services BUSINESS PRINTERS 11136-40 River Road Corning, NY 14830 main 607-936-3186 CELL 607-331-7217 PLEASE CALL MY CELL FIRST! Fax 877-684-3043 www.mmsny.com www.theshackbook.com The book that really opened my eyes! Isn't it time that you had a business printer printing for your business? Other contacts: Rick Bartholomew president -Manufacturing 607-769-8111 Belinda Wilcox VP-Finance & CSR's 607-936-3186 Rose Flatt VP - Creative 607-331-1555 Dick Shelford Sunset Operations 607-331-5775 Patty Carlson Strategic accounts 607-331-5314 Ralph Begeal CSR 607-331-5572 Jenna Nailer IR operations 607-936-3186 Jessi Mitchell CSR 607-936-3186 Dave Satterly IR operations 570-882-0485 Steve Mullen IR operations liaison 607-936-5314 Clint Fox Mailing/ creative 607-331-7068 Judy Pruyne creative 607-331-5963 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charles A. Lincoln Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 8:29 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon IR 7105 or Minolta 1050 bizhub ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are looking at a used 7105 with large cap tray, saddle stitcher, professional punch (44 hole) with 6 dies, s2 fiery, for about 22k. with only 220,000 clicks on it. Would you rather have the canon or a new Konica Minolta Bizhub 1050? _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dvmonto at optonline.net Fri Aug 15 08:59:05 2008 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Fri Aug 15 08:59:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wireless Phones for Shop In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have been happy with this system: http://tinyurl.com/57ow5d -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls Sir Speedy has added mailing services to our capabilities! Let's talk about your next project....perhaps, we can save you some time and Money on your next mailing. On 8/15/08 12:04 AM, "Joseph Marsh" wrote: > What type of phone system do you use in your shop? From ppiinc7 at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 09:06:38 2008 From: ppiinc7 at gmail.com (John Steffes) Date: Fri Aug 15 09:06:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wireless Phones for Shop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We have an older version of this Panasonic system. Had it least 5 years. Works great. Never a problem. On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 8:59 AM, David Monto wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have been happy with this system: > > http://tinyurl.com/57ow5d > > > -- > David V. Monto > > Sir Speedy Printing > 1837 South Road > Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 > > Phone:845-298-8898 > Fax: 845-298-8537 > email: dvmonto@optonline.net > > www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls > > Sir Speedy has added mailing services to our capabilities! Let's talk about > your next project....perhaps, we can save you some time and Money on your > next mailing. > > > > On 8/15/08 12:04 AM, "Joseph Marsh" wrote: > > > What type of phone system do you use in your shop? > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- John Steffes Printing Plus Delray Beach, FL From tomk at kingprintingonline.com Fri Aug 15 09:37:01 2008 From: tomk at kingprintingonline.com (Tom King) Date: Fri Aug 15 09:37:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrink Wrap Equipment was Shrink wrap pricing? In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080814165526.0343ada0@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <001801c8fedb$ff663380$fe329a80$@com> What kind and brand of shrink wrap systems are you all using? Tunnels? Heat guns? We have an ancient 'stretch wrap' setup that we desperately need to replace! Any comments/opinions appreciated. Thanks! Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 09:45:10 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri Aug 15 09:45:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrink Wrap Equipment was Shrink wrap pricing? In-Reply-To: <001801c8fedb$ff663380$fe329a80$@com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080814165526.0343ada0@bucksdigital.com> <001801c8fedb$ff663380$fe329a80$@com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0808150645j2046cec0g302cbe16d8301d71@mail.gmail.com> One of the DibiPack models is a great choice. And I can recommend ProPack in Engelwood, NJ (the distributor). http://shrinkfilm.com/machinery/one-step.htm Talk to Peter (owner) for the best deal: 201-871-8787. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Tom King wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What kind and brand of shrink wrap systems are you all using? Tunnels? Heat > guns? > > We have an ancient 'stretch wrap' setup that we desperately need to > replace! > Any comments/opinions appreciated. > > Thanks! > > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From john at duplicatesink.com Fri Aug 15 09:43:28 2008 From: john at duplicatesink.com (John Cassidy) Date: Fri Aug 15 09:46:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Konica 6500 In-Reply-To: <7AA4E499F75C454D864713FEF2958D3341BB2C@BE09.exg4.exghost.com> Message-ID: <20080815134610.11BD01F3456@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> We are considering purchasing a KM6500 2 vendors are pitching it. IKON and XPEDX what are some of you experiencing with service from these vendors. Warmest Regards, John Cassidy www.duplicatesink.com Print & Communications If you always do what you have always done, you will ALWAYS get what you have ALWAYS got! Try some new creative marketing ideas. Give us a call to discuss your next direct mail marketing project. -- From slb at inkspot.net Fri Aug 15 10:11:22 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Aug 15 10:11:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] And the answer is . . . . . . . . . . inside In-Reply-To: <002d01c8fed6$469845a0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> References: <002d01c8fed6$469845a0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48A5564A.6872.17615412@slb.inkspot.net> Well, I guess I can stop looking for my older archives of printers' forum emails.... Steve > > > Bob Bergey was kind enough to fill in my memeory gaps. > Thanks Bob. > > > Charles Brinkman > > Hal > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3358 (20080815) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Fri Aug 15 10:15:49 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Fri Aug 15 10:17:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrink wrap pricing? In-Reply-To: <20080815002158.1098B102E143@rb.enter.net> References: <20080815002158.1098B102E143@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: We do charge additionally for counting or tape inserting on press, and certainly any shrink-wrapped packages have to be placed into cartons for an extra charge. Even $0.30 per shrink-wrap might yield $65.00 per hour at 3.6 shrinks per minute, it depends on the machine speed. But after all is said, it's the selling price of the whole job that makes the profit. >> Higher or lower depending upon perceived value by customer and us! > > > I'll go along with Simon on that. > We've got several shrink-wrap choices in our PrintersPlan menu of > activities; they range from 81 to 89 cents each. Then again, > *counting* and > shrink-wrapping is another story: $1.44 each. Of course, we can also > lower > our prices when deemed necessary, but it rarely has been. In the > case of > Steve's question, it certainly would be, and my formula -- after > realistically determining how many packages per hour can be > realistically > counted and wrapped -- would be: (hourly cost of bindery labor > +equipment) + > (pkgs/hr x material cost per pkg) x 2 divided by number of packages > per > hour. I seriously don't think a price in the 30-cent range is > something > you'll want an employee to spend a lot of time doing. > > > -- > Michael Vogel Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Aug 15 10:17:06 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Aug 15 10:19:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] And the answer is . . . . . . . . . . inside In-Reply-To: <48A5564A.6872.17615412@slb.inkspot.net> References: <002d01c8fed6$469845a0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> <48A5564A.6872.17615412@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <200808151419.m7FEIksp011023@i2bnetworks.com> I missed that war, I think I was unsubscribed at the time. But I heard it was pretty bloody. S. At 07:11 AM 8/15/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Well, I guess I can stop looking for my older archives of printers' >forum emails.... > >Steve > > > > > > > > Bob Bergey was kind enough to fill in my memeory gaps. > > Thanks Bob. > > > > > > Charles Brinkman > > > > Hal > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > __________ NOD32 3358 (20080815) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > >Steve Blatman >Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >Tel: 610-647-0776 >Fax: 610-647-4560 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3358 (20080815) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From John at mpcny.com Fri Aug 15 10:20:40 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John M. Henry) Date: Fri Aug 15 10:20:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: And the answer is . . . . . . . . . . inside In-Reply-To: <20080815141217.9B8D5102F895@rb.enter.net> References: <20080815141217.9B8D5102F895@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <4487815F9F734A45BDF224FFF6AE9182@Leo4allPC> I can just see Steve searching print lists with the terms Sex-wife-darkroom That also brings up with the demise of darkrooms in most shops where his wife is now doing this? John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. PO Box 815 125-129 East First Street Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 fax (315) 532-0620 From slb at inkspot.net Fri Aug 15 10:27:23 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Aug 15 10:27:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: And the answer is . . . . . . . . . . inside In-Reply-To: <4487815F9F734A45BDF224FFF6AE9182@Leo4allPC> References: <20080815141217.9B8D5102F895@rb.enter.net>, <4487815F9F734A45BDF224FFF6AE9182@Leo4allPC> Message-ID: <48A55A0B.21634.176FFDDD@slb.inkspot.net> Speaking of which (sort of), I remember a thread about embarrasing moments with customers. The line that sticks in my mind was a woman saying to a customer (over samples of letterhead papers) "These are linen, but I've got laid out back." My lips (and my email archive) are sealed. Steve > > I can just see Steve searching print lists with the terms > > Sex-wife-darkroom > > That also brings up with the demise of darkrooms in most shops where his > wife is now doing this? > > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. > PO Box 815 > 125-129 East First Street > Oswego, NY 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 fax > (315) 532-0620 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3358 (20080815) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 10:31:14 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri Aug 15 10:31:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrink wrap pricing? In-Reply-To: References: <20080815002158.1098B102E143@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0808150731h7df832ddp20218a3d83c33fb3@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Simon Sheers wrote: > > Even $0.30 per shrink-wrap might yield $65.00 per hour at 3.6 shrinks per minute, it depends on the machine speed. > 3.6 x 60 = 216 pkgs/hour x $.05 material cost per wrap = $10.80/hr in materials + 70% markup (although I'd figure 100%) = $18.36, yielding $46.64/hr for labor/equipment use. I think that's a low number. Which brings up another question: outside of allocated equipment cost, what are others charging these days for the labor component of bindery functions (which, presumably, is the same rate you'd charge for manual bindery labor that does not involve machine use)? We're at $68/hr (or appx 4x labor cost). -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From cpurvine1 at cox.net Fri Aug 15 10:34:12 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Fri Aug 15 10:34:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Konica 6500 In-Reply-To: <20080815134610.11BD01F3456@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <7AA4E499F75C454D864713FEF2958D3341BB2C@BE09.exg4.exghost.com> <20080815134610.11BD01F3456@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <008c01c8fee3$fc494270$6401a8c0@coranew> Never heard of Xpedex offering this machine??? IKON's service is good in our area, but they can't ever seem to get the billing right. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora and Bernie Purvine 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) cpurvine1@cox.net Microsoft Service Provider Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Cassidy Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 8:43 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Konica 6500 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are considering purchasing a KM6500 2 vendors are pitching it. IKON and XPEDX what are some of you experiencing with service from these vendors. Warmest Regards, John Cassidy www.duplicatesink.com Print & Communications If you always do what you have always done, you will ALWAYS get what you have ALWAYS got! Try some new creative marketing ideas. Give us a call to discuss your next direct mail marketing project. -- _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3358 (20080815) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From david at commercialpressink.com Fri Aug 15 10:56:57 2008 From: david at commercialpressink.com (David Charleson) Date: Fri Aug 15 10:52:39 2008 Subject: SPAM-MED: Re: [PrintOwners] Iron Workers In-Reply-To: <006a01c8fe2b$55e1a840$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <98f5b19a0808130804q42471be1n5f4b36def535ab72@mail.gmail.com><83d5b9620808140758l440e848bw891c89fb0c26a04b@mail.gmail.com> <003301c8fe29$25a9d320$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <006a01c8fe2b$55e1a840$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <48A59939.9080202@commercialpressink.com> Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hey Uncle Hal, > > I looked up Iron Workers on Wikipedia, but I still don't have any idea > what they do. Lots of information on the Amalgamated Iron & Steel > Workers Union, and how it merged with the Vulcans and stuff. But I > give up. . . > What do they do? > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > My son belongs to Local 60 out of Syracuse NY, they will do just about anything involving construction, from re-bar to installing windows, GREAT money, and benefits, down side is working away from home alot. He likes erecting iron on the big buildings, doesnt care to much for the "tin cans".....metal buildings like you see on a lot of military bases. They need good young men and women to join the union ...just like every trade... there are fewer and fewer kids doing it -- David Charleson Commercial Press Inc. 216 Cowan Rd Canton NY 13617 P 315.386.3431 david@commercialpressink.com www.commercialpressink.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 10:54:44 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri Aug 15 10:54:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrink wrap pricing? In-Reply-To: References: <20080815002158.1098B102E143@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0808150754j5dd9d651w30366731d52fd900@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Simon Sheers wrote: > > But after all is said, it's the selling price of the whole job that makes > the profit. Not exactly. It's the *margin* on the whole job that generates the profit. But it seems that many people talk about profit leadership (vs laggardship) in a vaccuum. Same goes for SPE and labor cost percentage. As useful as these are as measurements, they are an end, not the means. Only one word sums up the means to a high profit end, and that's MARGIN. I've always felt that to maximize margin requires maintaining margins on *all activities* (and, of course, hard costs) that comprise each job. There's certainly room for flexibility and pencil-sharpening, but as exceptions to the rule. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From swiftyprinting at mac.com Fri Aug 15 10:54:51 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Fri Aug 15 10:55:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Anyone do work for Mass Hort? In-Reply-To: <008c01c8fee3$fc494270$6401a8c0@coranew> References: <7AA4E499F75C454D864713FEF2958D3341BB2C@BE09.exg4.exghost.com> <20080815134610.11BD01F3456@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <008c01c8fee3$fc494270$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: > Are there in any Printers in the New England Area who have done work > or are doing work for the Massachusetts Horticulture Society > Wellesley, MA. It is not to often I get taken for a large amount, but this time...well lest just say this one hurts. Apparently they were also taken from the Director they hired. If there is anyone out there in the same situation let me know off the list. Perhaps an alliance of resources would be stronger. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From championprinting at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 10:56:09 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Fri Aug 15 10:56:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Konica 6500 Message-ID: <598516.73041.qm@web38305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A word of caution. Xpedx pitched us a KM unit a few years back. Their partner is/was Konica Minolta Graphic Imagining, Not KMBS. The deal was you paid for all consumables and a $6000 annual service fee with no click charges. At the time, this was not a good deal for us. I don't believe IKON is a partner with PII or PIA so you have to negotiate your own deal, but worse than that, you don't have any strength in numbers should there be issues. I would deal only with KMBS. They operate in most major cities. Your website indicates you serve Myrtle Beach so you may need to work with a dealer. List rules used to require a signature that included address and phone. Has that changed? Ted Gelletly Allegra Print & Imaging (formerly Champion Printing) 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@allegraeldersburg.com ----- Original Message ---- From: John Cassidy To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 9:43:28 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Konica 6500 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are considering purchasing a KM6500 2 vendors are pitching it. IKON and XPEDX what are some of you experiencing with service from these vendors. Warmest Regards, John Cassidy www.duplicatesink.com Print & Communications If you always do what you have always done, you will ALWAYS get what you have ALWAYS got! Try some new creative marketing ideas. Give us a call to discuss your next direct mail marketing project. From char at themasterspress.com Fri Aug 15 10:58:07 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Fri Aug 15 10:58:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrink Wrap Equipment was Shrink wrap pricing? In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0808150645j2046cec0g302cbe16d8301d71@mail.gmail.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080814165526.0343ada0@bucksdigital.com><001801c8fedb$ff663380$fe329a80$@com> <98f5b19a0808150645j2046cec0g302cbe16d8301d71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7EA1092662764335A0349F27ED56EC87@CharXP> Great machine. I have had one for over 5 years and LOVE it. Very little heat, wraps great, lot of different speeds, heats etc. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 8:45 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Shrink Wrap Equipment was Shrink wrap pricing? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** One of the DibiPack models is a great choice. And I can recommend ProPack in Engelwood, NJ (the distributor). http://shrinkfilm.com/machinery/one-step.htm Talk to Peter (owner) for the best deal: 201-871-8787. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Tom King wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What kind and brand of shrink wrap systems are you all using? Tunnels? Heat > guns? > > We have an ancient 'stretch wrap' setup that we desperately need to > replace! > Any comments/opinions appreciated. > > Thanks! > > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3358 (20080815) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3358 (20080815) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3358 (20080815) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From Susan at cdandp.net Fri Aug 15 10:56:31 2008 From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton) Date: Fri Aug 15 11:01:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Konica 6500 References: <7AA4E499F75C454D864713FEF2958D3341BB2C@BE09.exg4.exghost.com><20080815134610.11BD01F3456@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <008c01c8fee3$fc494270$6401a8c0@coranew> Message-ID: <05f301c8fee7$864ddf50$8302a8c0@Robbin> Yes, Xpedx is offering them through their graphics division. I have been speaking with them, and they would match the NAQP pricing. Service would come out of the graphics division where they service RIPs, imagesetters, etc., so the service would be done by true technicians, not "copy machine repairmen." That's about all I know right now. Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, VA 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cora Purvine" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 10:34 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Konica 6500 > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Never heard of Xpedex offering this machine??? IKON's service is good in > our > area, but they can't ever seem to get the billing right. > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora and Bernie Purvine > 5801 W. Juno Street > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > (316) 522-0733 > (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) > cpurvine1@cox.net > Microsoft Service Provider > Member NAQP > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Cassidy > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 8:43 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] Konica 6500 > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are considering purchasing a KM6500 > > 2 vendors are pitching it. IKON and XPEDX what are some of you > experiencing with service from these vendors. > > > Warmest Regards, > John Cassidy > www.duplicatesink.com > > Print & Communications > If you always do what you have always done, you will ALWAYS get what you > have ALWAYS got! > > Try some new creative marketing ideas. Give us a call to discuss your next > direct mail marketing project. > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3358 (20080815) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3358 (20080815) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From char at themasterspress.com Fri Aug 15 11:13:46 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Fri Aug 15 11:13:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon IR 7105 or Minolta 1050 bizhub In-Reply-To: <2AE3643E-3712-45C3-A5B6-945EDE9167EA@ptialaska.net> References: <2AE3643E-3712-45C3-A5B6-945EDE9167EA@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <00FD9BEA40D74AEBB089E72DA0645C08@CharXP> Charles I have been looking at that myself. The Canon is certainly a great machine. I have run my 105 to death - latterly and looking at a new one myself. I am looking more at the 1050 with the biggest reason being the durability and more heavy duty and also that it will run 12 x 18 size. The add on's for the 1050 are much more expensive but it is just more heavy duty all the way around. So it depends on your clicks you will put on there each month. And the cost difference. I am looking at up over 50M for the 1050 but that is loaded. Could I get by with a used 7105 - absolutely - could I grow it - not sure. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charles A. Lincoln Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 7:29 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon IR 7105 or Minolta 1050 bizhub ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are looking at a used 7105 with large cap tray, saddle stitcher, professional punch (44 hole) with 6 dies, s2 fiery, for about 22k. with only 220,000 clicks on it. Would you rather have the canon or a new Konica Minolta Bizhub 1050? _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3358 (20080815) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3358 (20080815) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From char at themasterspress.com Fri Aug 15 11:22:17 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Fri Aug 15 11:22:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Konica 6500 In-Reply-To: <05f301c8fee7$864ddf50$8302a8c0@Robbin> References: <7AA4E499F75C454D864713FEF2958D3341BB2C@BE09.exg4.exghost.com><20080815134610.11BD01F3456@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com><008c01c8fee3$fc494270$6401a8c0@coranew> <05f301c8fee7$864ddf50$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: <6A2F3C758E684A5ABFF60CF522272439@CharXP> If I am putting 30-50m clicks more or less on a copier than I want a copy machine repairman. That is what they are trained for. I have talked to the graphics division and they didn't even know what I did even as I talked to them. They are used to setting machines up for "proofing" not production. Service - service- service- when you are down and you have customers waiting you want service. Wherever you go whatever you get look at service. :-) ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Susan Compton Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 9:57 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Konica 6500 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Yes, Xpedx is offering them through their graphics division. I have been speaking with them, and they would match the NAQP pricing. Service would come out of the graphics division where they service RIPs, imagesetters, etc., so the service would be done by true technicians, not "copy machine repairmen." That's about all I know right now. Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, VA 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cora Purvine" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 10:34 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Konica 6500 > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Never heard of Xpedex offering this machine??? IKON's service is good in > our > area, but they can't ever seem to get the billing right. > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora and Bernie Purvine > 5801 W. Juno Street > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > (316) 522-0733 > (316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) > cpurvine1@cox.net > Microsoft Service Provider > Member NAQP > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Cassidy > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 8:43 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] Konica 6500 > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are considering purchasing a KM6500 > > 2 vendors are pitching it. IKON and XPEDX what are some of you > experiencing with service from these vendors. > > > Warmest Regards, > John Cassidy > www.duplicatesink.com > > Print & Communications > If you always do what you have always done, you will ALWAYS get what you > have ALWAYS got! > > Try some new creative marketing ideas. Give us a call to discuss your next > direct mail marketing project. > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3358 (20080815) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3358 (20080815) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3358 (20080815) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3358 (20080815) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From mike at arborprinting.com Fri Aug 15 11:26:23 2008 From: mike at arborprinting.com (mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Fri Aug 15 11:26:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon IR 7105 or Minolta 1050 bizhub References: <2AE3643E-3712-45C3-A5B6-945EDE9167EA@ptialaska.net> <00FD9BEA40D74AEBB089E72DA0645C08@CharXP> Message-ID: <001801c8feeb$46cfeae0$6500a8c0@den> What is your volume? Mike Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlene Sims" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 10:13 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Canon IR 7105 or Minolta 1050 bizhub > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Charles I have been looking at that myself. The Canon is certainly a > great > machine. I have run my 105 to death - latterly and looking at a new one > myself. I am looking more at the 1050 with the biggest reason being the > durability and more heavy duty and also that it will run 12 x 18 size. > The add on's for the 1050 are much more expensive but it is just more > heavy > duty all the way around. So it depends on your clicks you will put on > there > each month. And the cost difference. I am looking at up over 50M for the > 1050 but that is loaded. Could I get by with a used 7105 - absolutely - > could I grow it - not sure. > ch > > Charlene Sims > President > The Master's Press, Inc. > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > www.TheMastersPress.com > char@themasterspress.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charles A. Lincoln > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 7:29 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon IR 7105 or Minolta 1050 bizhub > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are looking at a used 7105 with large cap tray, saddle stitcher, > professional punch (44 hole) with 6 dies, s2 fiery, for about 22k. > with only 220,000 clicks on it. > Would you rather have the canon or a new Konica Minolta Bizhub 1050? > > > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 3358 (20080815) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 3358 (20080815) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Aug 15 11:25:02 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Aug 15 11:27:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Konica 6500 In-Reply-To: <05f301c8fee7$864ddf50$8302a8c0@Robbin> References: <7AA4E499F75C454D864713FEF2958D3341BB2C@BE09.exg4.exghost.com> <20080815134610.11BD01F3456@relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <008c01c8fee3$fc494270$6401a8c0@coranew> <05f301c8fee7$864ddf50$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: <200808151526.m7FFQhG8023518@i2bnetworks.com> I'd be very careful with that statement Susan. I believe there is very little correlation with competency of service personnel and the organization they're tied to. Service is always a LOCAL issue, and the level of training of the people who will be working on your equipment comes more from the philosophy of the service manager, than anything else. A few days ago we crossed the 2 million impression mark on the 6500 we placed less than 11 months ago on the floor. The guys who have kept me running work for KMBS, and its their service manager Larry Perkins who sets the tone of response time and training of his team that help us achieve our goals. I owe these guys a lot because with their help, we have been very profitable in this department. SO in answer to your original question John, I would interview 3 local customers each of IKON, and Xpedx about the response and competency of their service team.. That will give you more insight into your decision than anything said on this list. S. At 07:56 AM 8/15/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Yes, Xpedx is offering them through their graphics division. I have >been speaking with them, and they would match the NAQP >pricing. Service would come out of the graphics division where they >service RIPs, imagesetters, etc., so the service would be done by >true technicians, not "copy machine repairmen." That's about all I >know right now. > >Susan Wells Compton >Compton Design & Printing Inc. >109 South Jefferson Street >Lexington, VA 24450 >540-463-9232 >540-464-4329 Fax >Susan@cdandp.net >www.cdandp.net > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Cora Purvine" >To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > >Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 10:34 AM >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Konica 6500 > > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>Never heard of Xpedex offering this machine??? IKON's service is good in our >>area, but they can't ever seem to get the billing right. >> >>Class Act Printing and Foil >>Cora and Bernie Purvine >>5801 W. Juno Street >>Wichita, KS 67215-1742 >>(316) 522-0733 >>(316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) >>cpurvine1@cox.net >>Microsoft Service Provider >>Member NAQP >>-----Original Message----- >>From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >>[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Cassidy >>Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 8:43 AM >>To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >>Subject: [PrintOwners] Konica 6500 >> >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>We are considering purchasing a KM6500 >> >>2 vendors are pitching it. IKON and XPEDX what are some of you >>experiencing with service from these vendors. >> >> >>Warmest Regards, >>John Cassidy >>www.duplicatesink.com >> >>Print & Communications >>If you always do what you have always done, you will ALWAYS get what you >>have ALWAYS got! >> >>Try some new creative marketing ideas. 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It is why I bought this machine, and saves me countless man hours. The print quality is very good. That's it. Overall I haven't been very impressed with the machine. Every thousand copies it slows and things and resets. I doubt very seriously it gets anywhere close to the 105 ppm it claims. It slows to a crawl when pulling from different trays. It jams a lot. Over the past 10 days I've put in 6 service calls. Seriously. That being said, I'm not unhappy with it. The speed and frequency of service have been a little disappointing, but the professional punch is a life saver and the quality is great. Just my two cents. I don't know if I'd get another one. If you're not looking at the professional punch, I don't see a lot of upside though. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Charlene Sims > Organization: The Master's Press > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:13:46 -0500 > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Canon IR 7105 or Minolta 1050 bizhub > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Charles I have been looking at that myself. The Canon is certainly a great > machine. I have run my 105 to death - latterly and looking at a new one > myself. I am looking more at the 1050 with the biggest reason being the > durability and more heavy duty and also that it will run 12 x 18 size. > The add on's for the 1050 are much more expensive but it is just more heavy > duty all the way around. So it depends on your clicks you will put on there > each month. And the cost difference. I am looking at up over 50M for the > 1050 but that is loaded. Could I get by with a used 7105 - absolutely - > could I grow it - not sure. > ch > > Charlene Sims > President > The Master's Press, Inc. > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > www.TheMastersPress.com > char@themasterspress.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charles A. Lincoln > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 7:29 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon IR 7105 or Minolta 1050 bizhub > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are looking at a used 7105 with large cap tray, saddle stitcher, > professional punch (44 hole) with 6 dies, s2 fiery, for about 22k. > with only 220,000 clicks on it. > Would you rather have the canon or a new Konica Minolta Bizhub 1050? > > > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 3358 (20080815) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 3358 (20080815) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Fri Aug 15 11:32:50 2008 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Fri Aug 15 11:33:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: And the answer is . . . . . . . . . . inside References: <20080815141217.9B8D5102F895@rb.enter.net> <4487815F9F734A45BDF224FFF6AE9182@Leo4allPC> Message-ID: <07AE9BEE82C344D987159BE86E945975@Nancy> And who else remembers John Stewart dumpster diving while other printowners stood lookout!!! And whose dumpster was it??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Henry" To: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 10:20 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: And the answer is . . . . . . . . . . inside > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > I can just see Steve searching print lists with the terms > > Sex-wife-darkroom > > That also brings up with the demise of darkrooms in most shops where his > wife is now doing this? > > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing, Inc. > PO Box 815 > 125-129 East First Street > Oswego, NY 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 fax > (315) 532-0620 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From copythatnyc at aol.com Fri Aug 15 11:48:35 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Fri Aug 15 11:49:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Numbering Message-ID: <8CACD0583187C5C-15D0-181B@FWM-D41.sysops.aol.com> I have an order for certificates w/perf & two numbers. I believe I saw a thread here saying that ID can do this. I've check'd in help & all that it shows how to number the pages, not more than one spot. If not any recommendations will help. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com From brian at designotype.com Fri Aug 15 11:49:47 2008 From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen) Date: Fri Aug 15 11:49:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Big into sign industry? References: Message-ID: <02ba01c8feee$8c021f40$6a01a8c0@brianspc> John: I may be able to help somewhat, feel free to call. Brian Helminen, Solutions Consultant Designotype Printers, Inc. 22950 Airpark Blvd. Calumet, MI 49913 906-482-2424 Fax 906-482-2266 www.designotype.com ----- Original Message ----- this is a printer's list but I am eager to talk to someone in private > about the sign industry and their experiences in it.... > > Ideally, I am looking for someone who is as big into signs as he or she is > into printing. Specifically, I need some help with details for breakdowns > on > sales categories and cost of goods categories for this industry. Thanks. > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > From ron at printingconcepts.com Fri Aug 15 11:50:57 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Fri Aug 15 11:51:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrink wrap pricing Message-ID: Don't forget possible counting costs and placing the shrink pkgs in a box. When we are shrinking a large job it always pains me to see on person fully employed feeding the machine (and we have an auto infeed) and another 1/3 employed waiting to put the pkgs in a box. To me $.30 is rock bottom and we have highly automated equipment. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." ". . . the louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons" "The god of the cannibals will be a cannibal, of the crusaders a crusader, and of the merchants a merchant." RALPH WALDO EMERSON Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From brian at mousegraphics.com Fri Aug 15 11:57:18 2008 From: brian at mousegraphics.com (Brian Perkinson) Date: Fri Aug 15 11:57:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wireless Phones for Shop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A5A75E.1090606@mousegraphics.com> Joseph Marsh wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Yesterday was the last day of our lead CSR/Graphics gal. Today I am > running around the shop from phone to phone trying to get things done. > Do any of you use a wireless phone system that works well in a printshop > environment? It seems like when we try a new phone in here there is too > much interference from all of the equipment in here. We only have 2 > lines for the shop so it doesn't have to be a huge system. Thanks. > Take a look at the Engenius cordless phones: hhttp://www.engeniustech.com/telecom/products/details.aspx?id=107 Kind of spendy, but interference has not been any problem, and the range is amazing. My previous phone system used Spectralink phones, and they were much more complex and not any better. Before the Spectralink and Engenius phones, we never found a cordless that worked in our environment. Brian -- Brian Perkinson Mousegraphics 1414 W 14th St Tempe, AZ 85281 480-894-1992 1-888-88 MOUSE brian@mousegraphics.com www.mousegraphics.com From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 15 12:00:08 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Fri Aug 15 12:00:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Numbering In-Reply-To: <8CACD0583187C5C-15D0-181B@FWM-D41.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CACD0583187C5C-15D0-181B@FWM-D41.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <87747873-5B41-4ABF-B822-9188428E964B@bellsouth.net> We followed the advice of a list member's email below. Works great and easy to use... Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 > > http://projects.gerryscuppatea.org/EasyNumbering/ > > > > I found a shareware program for Mac OS X, called Easy Numbering. > Works great,easy to use.use it to # forms and raffle tickets. no > problems to date, been using it for over a year now. > > > David Charleson > > On Aug 15, 2008, at 11:48 AM, Tommy Melendez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have an order for certificates w/perf & two numbers. I believe I > saw a thread here saying that ID can do this. I've check'd in help & > all that it shows how to number the pages, not more than one spot. > If not any recommendations will help. > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 From cpc at clearnet.net Fri Aug 15 12:13:13 2008 From: cpc at clearnet.net (Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc.) Date: Fri Aug 15 12:13:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Numbering In-Reply-To: <8CACD0583187C5C-15D0-181B@FWM-D41.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CACD0583187C5C-15D0-181B@FWM-D41.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <48A5AB19.3000209@clearnet.net> Tommy, If you're running these 1 up just add two page numbering markers to the master page in the positions and format you want the numbers to print. If you're running more than one up, create your number database in Excel (or FileMaker on the Mac) and use the Data Merge feature in Indesign to add them to your document. If you are perfing after you print them, remember to print them 1 to N so that when you run them thru the perforator it puts them back in the correct order. Randy Hurley Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 17 South Third Street P.O. Box 23 Clearfield, PA 16830 814-765-4731 Fax: 814-765-1380 cpc@clearnet.net Tommy Melendez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have an order for certificates w/perf & two numbers. I believe I saw > a thread here saying that ID can do this. I've check'd in help & all > that it shows how to number the pages, not more than one spot. If not > any recommendations will help. From eric at prioritypress.com Fri Aug 15 12:17:00 2008 From: eric at prioritypress.com (Eric Mance) Date: Fri Aug 15 12:16:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printshop equipment buyers? Message-ID: <68996d8f.1c8fef2.4634715.41bb@prioritypress.com> Hi, I have a customer that is in the debt recovery business. He has a client with a small print shop that is going under and would like to try to sell off the equipment to recoup some money. Any names/numbers? Thanks, Eric Mance Priority Press 132 Shaker Rd East Longmeadow, MA 01028 413-525-6111 413-525-2681 fax www.prioritypress.com From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Fri Aug 15 12:18:39 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Fri Aug 15 12:20:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Numbering In-Reply-To: <20080815155728.EF86E102FF60@rb.enter.net> References: <20080815155728.EF86E102FF60@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Can't you just create two text boxes and two identical .csv files? For each text box: Indesign > Automation > Datamerge. Select your csv file. Complete the merge. 1. Create text box in Indesign where you want the numbers. 2. Create a sequential numbering file in Excel. Put a heading on the column of numbers such as "Number". Save as a CSV file and close. This won't work if you don't close your Excel file. courtesy of Gordon Watt I agree with Gordon, but want to add 1 thing. Put the data that is static (the same on all printouts) on the master page. I believe that will reduce the ripping time. courtesy Mark Lake > I have an order for certificates w/perf & two numbers. I believe I > saw a thread here saying that ID can do this. I've check'd in help & > all that it shows how to number the pages, not more than one spot. > If not any recommendations will help. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From jdaghir at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 12:32:45 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Fri Aug 15 12:32:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrink wrap pricing? In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0808150731h7df832ddp20218a3d83c33fb3@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080815002158.1098B102E143@rb.enter.net> <98f5b19a0808150731h7df832ddp20218a3d83c33fb3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620808150932o41dbf4deo74eb7a82e3cac652@mail.gmail.com> I usually aim for at least $100/hr charge to my customer for any activity. I don't bother adding any equipment allocation for activities that use equipment under $10,000 or so. I do add equipment allocation for more expensive equipment like the collator, folder, etc. Bear in mind that this is what I use when estimating prices. Unfortunately my real world charges often end up much lower than this due to my horribly bad guesstimates as to what my productivity rates are going to be. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com > Which brings up another question: outside of allocated equipment cost, > what are others charging these days for the labor component of bindery > functions (which, presumably, is the same rate you'd charge for manual > bindery labor that does not involve machine use)? We're at $68/hr (or > appx 4x labor cost). From kevin at abfprints.com Fri Aug 15 13:28:41 2008 From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko) Date: Fri Aug 15 13:37:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrink wrap pricing? In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0808150731h7df832ddp20218a3d83c33fb3@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080815002158.1098B102E143@rb.enter.net> <98f5b19a0808150731h7df832ddp20218a3d83c33fb3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003f01c8fefc$5cbccd30$1c00a8c0@abf.local> We charge $65.00 per hour on all bindery functions. Kevin Danko Advantage Business Forms 102 N. Riverside Ave. Rialto, CA 92376 Phone: (909) 875-7163 Fax: (909) 875-7971 www.abfprints.com E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 7:31 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Shrink wrap pricing? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Simon Sheers wrote: > > Even $0.30 per shrink-wrap might yield $65.00 per hour at 3.6 shrinks per minute, it depends on the machine speed. > 3.6 x 60 = 216 pkgs/hour x $.05 material cost per wrap = $10.80/hr in materials + 70% markup (although I'd figure 100%) = $18.36, yielding $46.64/hr for labor/equipment use. I think that's a low number. Which brings up another question: outside of allocated equipment cost, what are others charging these days for the labor component of bindery functions (which, presumably, is the same rate you'd charge for manual bindery labor that does not involve machine use)? We're at $68/hr (or appx 4x labor cost). -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Fri Aug 15 14:11:18 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Fri Aug 15 14:11:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Full color collated tabs on 6500 Message-ID: Hello....I have crawled out from under my rock, my face had turned to 185 red, now it's' back to normal. With my abnormal behavior, I never know when I'm going to offend anyone, it happens a lot. I have a job to quote which is ALL run on #90 index tabs, 800 sets of 20 double sided all on tab stock. Our IKON sales people are......well.....difficult to reach to put it mildly. We will pore through the manuals when get a chance, but wanted to get this question 'out there' as well. Anyone have a clue if tabs will run on this machine? We have the large cap drawers, pretty much fully loaded, but never have run tabs on it. This would be a run of 32,000, collated sets. No laminating, just print in color and collate/3HP. Thanks in advance-Larry Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From info at desktopsxm.com Fri Aug 15 14:21:47 2008 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Fri Aug 15 14:21:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CD duplication In-Reply-To: <87747873-5B41-4ABF-B822-9188428E964B@bellsouth.net> References: <8CACD0583187C5C-15D0-181B@FWM-D41.sysops.aol.com> <87747873-5B41-4ABF-B822-9188428E964B@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <7689C8C8-FD36-4399-A1EC-881F8128A762@desktopsxm.com> Does anybody on the list do this as i need 200 CD's done for a client. Cost? Joel Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten Tel 542-4044 fax 543-1100 "The Printshop with a Difference" From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 15 14:54:01 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Fri Aug 15 14:54:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Full color collated tabs on 6500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9E5151DD-4DAE-4939-8651-473282861F57@bellsouth.net> Larry, Welcome back you scoundrel! : ) Don't know if your machine runs tabs, but I assume it runs a 12 x 18 sheet, or even a 13 x 19 sheet. When I have color tabs, I run them 2-up, then cut to 9 x 11 and send them to a local tab cutter..... The clicks I save pay for the die cutting. Perhaps someone else here will know if your machine runs tabs. Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Aug 15, 2008, at 2:11 PM, larry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello....I have crawled out from under my rock, my face had turned > to 185 red, now it's' back to normal. With my abnormal behavior, > I never know when I'm going to offend anyone, it happens a lot. > > I have a job to quote which is ALL run on #90 index tabs, 800 sets > of 20 double sided all on tab stock. > > Our IKON sales people are......well.....difficult to reach to put it > mildly. We will pore through the manuals when get a chance, but > wanted to get this question 'out there' as well. > > Anyone have a clue if tabs will run on this machine? We have the > large cap drawers, pretty much fully loaded, but never have > run tabs on it. > > This would be a run of 32,000, collated sets. No laminating, just > print in color and collate/3HP. > > Thanks in advance-Larry > > > > Larry Taylor > Desert Pacific Printing > Tucson, AZ > 520-745-8004 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From slb at inkspot.net Fri Aug 15 15:47:00 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Aug 15 15:47:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Numbering In-Reply-To: <8CACD0583187C5C-15D0-181B@FWM-D41.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CACD0583187C5C-15D0-181B@FWM-D41.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <48A5A4F4.24277.18949C3D@slb.inkspot.net> Tommy, You can put a page number in more than one location on a page. You might also be able to use ID's variable-data/merge capabilities. We tend to do this sort of thing with Fusion Pro, since we have it. HTH, Steve > > I have an order for certificates w/perf & two numbers. I believe I saw > a thread here saying that ID can do this. I've check'd in help & all > that it shows how to number the pages, not more than one spot. If not > any recommendations will help. > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3359 (20080815) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Fri Aug 15 16:11:56 2008 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Fri Aug 15 16:12:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Full color collated tabs on 6500 In-Reply-To: <9E5151DD-4DAE-4939-8651-473282861F57@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <000701c8ff13$2a817d90$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Ditto Ben's comments . . . Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ben Travis Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 1:54 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Full color collated tabs on 6500 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Larry, Welcome back you scoundrel! : ) Don't know if your machine runs tabs, but I assume it runs a 12 x 18 sheet, or even a 13 x 19 sheet. When I have color tabs, I run them 2-up, then cut to 9 x 11 and send them to a local tab cutter..... The clicks I save pay for the die cutting. Perhaps someone else here will know if your machine runs tabs. Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Aug 15, 2008, at 2:11 PM, larry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello....I have crawled out from under my rock, my face had turned > to 185 red, now it's' back to normal. With my abnormal behavior, > I never know when I'm going to offend anyone, it happens a lot. > > I have a job to quote which is ALL run on #90 index tabs, 800 sets > of 20 double sided all on tab stock. > > Our IKON sales people are......well.....difficult to reach to put it > mildly. We will pore through the manuals when get a chance, but > wanted to get this question 'out there' as well. > > Anyone have a clue if tabs will run on this machine? We have the > large cap drawers, pretty much fully loaded, but never have > run tabs on it. > > This would be a run of 32,000, collated sets. No laminating, just > print in color and collate/3HP. > > Thanks in advance-Larry > > > > Larry Taylor > Desert Pacific Printing > Tucson, AZ > 520-745-8004 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From slb at inkspot.net Fri Aug 15 19:58:02 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Aug 15 19:58:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Konica 6500 In-Reply-To: <200808151526.m7FFQhG8023518@i2bnetworks.com> References: <7AA4E499F75C454D864713FEF2958D3341BB2C@BE09.exg4.exghost.com>, <05f301c8fee7$864ddf50$8302a8c0@Robbin>, <200808151526.m7FFQhG8023518@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <48A5DFCA.23112.197A6F3A@slb.inkspot.net> You also want to be sure that they can afford to deliver the level of service you're going to need. When we bought our C500 (I wish we had the volume to justify moving up, but we're not there yet), a local dealer asked to be considered. I shared the NAQP/KMBS service deal with him, because, as I told him, I didn't want to put the two of us in a position where we needed service, and he couldn't afford to deliver it at the prices we were paying. That wouldn't be good for either of us. The KMBS folks seem to be making enough money on the service, to be able to deliver it as needed. Be careful that you don't put yourself and the service organization upon which you depend, in an impossible position. JMO, Steve > > > I'd be very careful with that statement Susan. > > I believe there is very little correlation with competency of service > personnel and the organization they're tied to. > > Service is always a LOCAL issue, and the level of training of the > people who will be working on your equipment comes more from the > philosophy of the service manager, than anything else. > > A few days ago we crossed the 2 million impression mark on the 6500 > we placed less than 11 months ago on the floor. > > The guys who have kept me running work for KMBS, and its their > service manager Larry Perkins who sets the tone of response time and > training of his team that help us achieve our goals. > > I owe these guys a lot because with their help, we have been very > profitable in this department. > > SO in answer to your original question John, I would interview 3 > local customers each of IKON, and Xpedx about the response and > competency of their service team.. > > That will give you more insight into your decision than anything said > on this list. > > S. > > > > > At 07:56 AM 8/15/2008, you wrote: > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >Yes, Xpedx is offering them through their graphics division. I have > >been speaking with them, and they would match the NAQP > >pricing. Service would come out of the graphics division where they > >service RIPs, imagesetters, etc., so the service would be done by > >true technicians, not "copy machine repairmen." That's about all I > >know right now. > > > >Susan Wells Compton > >Compton Design & Printing Inc. > >109 South Jefferson Street > >Lexington, VA 24450 > >540-463-9232 > >540-464-4329 Fax > >Susan@cdandp.net > >www.cdandp.net > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Cora Purvine" > >To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > > >Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 10:34 AM > >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Konica 6500 > > > > > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> > >>Never heard of Xpedex offering this machine??? IKON's service is good in our > >>area, but they can't ever seem to get the billing right. > >> > >>Class Act Printing and Foil > >>Cora and Bernie Purvine > >>5801 W. Juno Street > >>Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > >>(316) 522-0733 > >>(316) 845-0321 Fax (call first) > >>cpurvine1@cox.net > >>Microsoft Service Provider > >>Member NAQP > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > >>[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Cassidy > >>Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 8:43 AM > >>To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > >>Subject: [PrintOwners] Konica 6500 > >> > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> > >>We are considering purchasing a KM6500 > >> > >>2 vendors are pitching it. IKON and XPEDX what are some of you > >>experiencing with service from these vendors. > >> > >> > >>Warmest Regards, > >>John Cassidy > >>www.duplicatesink.com > >> > >>Print & Communications > >>If you always do what you have always done, you will ALWAYS get what you > >>have ALWAYS got! > >> > >>Try some new creative marketing ideas. Give us a call to discuss your next > >>direct mail marketing project. > >> > >>-- > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>PrintOwners Discussion List > >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >> > >> > >>__________ NOD32 3358 (20080815) Information __________ > >> > >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >>http://www.eset.com > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>PrintOwners Discussion List > >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >> > >> > >>__________ NOD32 3358 (20080815) Information __________ > >> > >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >>http://www.eset.com > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >__________ NOD32 3358 (20080815) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.eset.com > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3359 (20080815) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Sat Aug 16 14:17:57 2008 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Sat Aug 16 14:18:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Color tabs on 6500 or 650 info Message-ID: When I have color tabs, I run them 2-up, then cut to 9 x 11 and send them to a local tab cutter..... The clicks I save pay for the die cutting. Perhaps someone else here will know if your machine runs tabs. Ben Travis __________________________________________________________________________________ That's what we went with, running on 11 X 18..... I'll find out next week if shorter runs of pre-cut tabs work on the CP650 in case anyone wants to know. Oddly, they DO run in the 'copy' mode, but no info on doing them in the 'print' mode. Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From liberty.printing at cox.net Sat Aug 16 14:30:43 2008 From: liberty.printing at cox.net (Tom Hodgkinson) Date: Sat Aug 16 14:30:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Transfer of accounts Message-ID: <1906A08C618546419291CE3E662A63E5@xppro> Hello All, Does anyone here have any advise on the best way to transfer a closing print shop's accounts to another ongoing shop (my shop)? I am thinking of buying the accounts of another print shop near me. They have already closed the doors supposedly as of last week. They already sold all the equipment to a broker from what I am told. The previous owner has moved on to another profession and for the last year and a half the son has been running the place. Now he too is going to go do the same thing as his father. The son has agreed to introduce me to some of the key customers, and also has agreed to have the telephone number transferred to my shop. But I am thinking that the 2 of them are comletely burned out and they both just want this business to be gone and done with. And as a result, if I do go for this, I think am going to pretty much on my own. My question is this, has anyone had any experiences with any of the following either good or bad. 1. Go around with the son being introduced to as many customers as I can talk him into doing? ( I don't think the customers really know him that well, or visa versa. I think they mostly know the father) Plus, I can tell the son REALLY doesn't want to do this. 2. Draft a letter of introduction to all of the customers explaining that I bought the business and I want to sevice their accounts? 3. Just answer the phone with the previous owners company name and then when they ask who I am explain the situation and try to wrangle them in one at a time? Any advise? Should I do a combination of all 3 or is there one I should leave out? Or, any other ideas? Tom Hodgkinson Liberty Printing 247 Quaker Lane West Warwick, RI 02893 401-828-0178 From gamble at choiceonemail.com Sat Aug 16 14:57:00 2008 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Sat Aug 16 14:57:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Transfer of accounts In-Reply-To: <1906A08C618546419291CE3E662A63E5@xppro> References: <1906A08C618546419291CE3E662A63E5@xppro> Message-ID: <00f301c8ffd1$e630ba60$0201a8c0@RICK> Tom, I'd have the Son or the Father go with you to do a face to face with there good accounts and draft a letter signed by both yourself and the Son/Father introducing you and showing a smooth transition in ownership. The wing it thing is not a good idea people normally don't deal well with change. JMTC Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tom Hodgkinson Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:31 PM To: Print Owners Subject: [PrintOwners] Transfer of accounts ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hello All, Does anyone here have any advise on the best way to transfer a closing print shop's accounts to another ongoing shop (my shop)? I am thinking of buying the accounts of another print shop near me. They have already closed the doors supposedly as of last week. They already sold all the equipment to a broker from what I am told. The previous owner has moved on to another profession and for the last year and a half the son has been running the place. Now he too is going to go do the same thing as his father. The son has agreed to introduce me to some of the key customers, and also has agreed to have the telephone number transferred to my shop. But I am thinking that the 2 of them are comletely burned out and they both just want this business to be gone and done with. And as a result, if I do go for this, I think am going to pretty much on my own. My question is this, has anyone had any experiences with any of the following either good or bad. 1. Go around with the son being introduced to as many customers as I can talk him into doing? ( I don't think the customers really know him that well, or visa versa. I think they mostly know the father) Plus, I can tell the son REALLY doesn't want to do this. 2. Draft a letter of introduction to all of the customers explaining that I bought the business and I want to sevice their accounts? 3. Just answer the phone with the previous owners company name and then when they ask who I am explain the situation and try to wrangle them in one at a time? Any advise? Should I do a combination of all 3 or is there one I should leave out? Or, any other ideas? Tom Hodgkinson Liberty Printing 247 Quaker Lane West Warwick, RI 02893 401-828-0178 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Mon Aug 18 08:28:56 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Mon Aug 18 08:29:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Transfer of accounts In-Reply-To: <1906A08C618546419291CE3E662A63E5@xppro> References: <1906A08C618546419291CE3E662A63E5@xppro> Message-ID: <6C87A387-19EE-46B3-840D-B42C46F7BA09@inkonpaper.biz> On Aug 16, 2008, at 2:30 PM, Tom Hodgkinson wrote: > 2. Draft a letter of introduction to all of the customers > explaining that I bought the business and I want to sevice their > accounts? I've done this three times in the last four years We sent three letters that were drafted by the Franchisor The first comes from the old owner on his letterhead saying good bye and introducing you The second is an introduction from you and welcome to your company on your letterhead and the third is a personalized coupon from you These letters are sent approx two weeks apart We then put these "potential" customers on our mailing list and personal followup Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle." From tstrickland at studiodesignsprinting.com Mon Aug 18 12:27:49 2008 From: tstrickland at studiodesignsprinting.com (tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com) Date: Mon Aug 18 12:28:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Book Printer Needed References: <1906A08C618546419291CE3E662A63E5@xppro> <6C87A387-19EE-46B3-840D-B42C46F7BA09@inkonpaper.biz> Message-ID: <014801c9014f$5b46caa0$6500a8c0@TravisComp> I am looking for another source for a paperback book printer. This is for a reprint of a book that we brokered out for a customer a few years back. We had Thompson Shore print it but since then they have had a salesperson contact my customer directly, so needless to say I will not be using them again. If you know of any other sources...especially for the trade I would appreciate the information. Travis Strickland Studio Designs Printing Milledgeville, GA 31061 From rej at gte.net Mon Aug 18 13:41:14 2008 From: rej at gte.net (Ronald Jones) Date: Mon Aug 18 12:41:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Book Printer Needed In-Reply-To: <014801c9014f$5b46caa0$6500a8c0@TravisComp> References: <1906A08C618546419291CE3E662A63E5@xppro> <6C87A387-19EE-46B3-840D-B42C46F7BA09@inkonpaper.biz> <014801c9014f$5b46caa0$6500a8c0@TravisComp> Message-ID: <902069FF-4E19-410F-81B4-193192AF26FE@gte.net> Travis, Contact Chrystal at RonJon Publishing. They do that every day. RonJon Publishing, Inc. 3728 Arapaho Rd. Addison, TX 75001 800-262-3060 972-488-3060 972-488-3066 F ctsiatsos@ronjonpublishing.com Good luck. Ron _____________________ Dr. Ronald E. Jones RonJon Publishing, Inc. 3728 Arapaho Rd. Addison, TX 75001 800-262-3060 On Aug 18, 2008, at 8:27 AM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am looking for another source for a paperback book printer. This > is for a reprint of a book that we brokered out for a customer a few > years back. We had Thompson Shore print it but since then they have > had a salesperson contact my customer directly, so needless to say I > will not be using them again. If you know of any other > sources...especially for the trade I would appreciate the information. > > Travis Strickland > Studio Designs Printing > Milledgeville, GA 31061 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Mon Aug 18 13:16:32 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Mon Aug 18 13:17:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel question Message-ID: I need to do a merge in Indesign for sequential numbering. I created the Excel spreadsheet with the numbers but can't get the zeros in front of the number (0001 instead of 1) without making the numbers text, and that doesn't allow me to create a formula to increase each cell by 1. I'm pretty sure it is relatively simple, but that obviously is too complex for me Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From sos at olympus.net Mon Aug 18 13:41:54 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Aug 18 13:42:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel question References: Message-ID: <053901c90159$b47603c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> can't get the zeros in front of the > number (0001 instead of 1) without making the numbers text, and that > doesn't > allow me to create a formula to increase each cell by 1. I'm pretty sure > it > is relatively simple, but that obviously is too complex for me =================== I gave that a try the other day as well, and was stumped by the lack of zeros as well. I didn't try too hard, because we have a numbering machine and also that computer numbering program. But I though using InDesign could come in handy sometimes as well. So I await some guru's response, as well. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From list at interiorgraphics.com Mon Aug 18 13:52:23 2008 From: list at interiorgraphics.com (Michelle at Interior Graphics) Date: Mon Aug 18 13:52:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel question In-Reply-To: <053901c90159$b47603c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <053901c90159$b47603c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <9B74137C-12BB-4CC7-872E-E5E9DBBACFDB@interiorgraphics.com> Okay, here you go..... I called Mark because sometimes my tech support is better over the phone. :-) Select the column you are using, and hit format cells. Under the type, select general, and then you can type in four zeros or whatever amount you need. (0000). That will make the cells numbers with zeros in front of them. Then you can type in the start number in the top of the column, and hit Edit > Fill > Series and you can make the numbers increase by 1 and put in the stop number. If that doesn't make any sense please call - I'd be happy to assist over the phone. I use excel and InDesign for numbering all the time because we don't have the funds yet for the fancy programs, so I'm starting to get good at it. Hope that helps! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michelle Maynor "Your Personal Printer" Interior Graphics & Printing 770 8th Avenue Fairbanks, AK 99701 907.456.4982 phone 907.452.6992 fax "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the most." - John Ruskin On Aug 18, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > can't get the zeros in front of the >> number (0001 instead of 1) without making the numbers text, and >> that doesn't >> allow me to create a formula to increase each cell by 1. I'm >> pretty sure it >> is relatively simple, but that obviously is too complex for me > =================== > > I gave that a try the other day as well, and was stumped by the > lack of zeros as well. > I didn't try too hard, because we have a numbering machine and also > that computer numbering program. But I though using InDesign could > come in handy sometimes as well. > So I await some guru's response, as well. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From scottp at quattrografx.com Mon Aug 18 15:16:05 2008 From: scottp at quattrografx.com (scottp@quattrografx.com) Date: Mon Aug 18 13:56:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel question Message-ID: <20080818175605.90999103738B@rb.enter.net> Hello, Mark Lake, Set the cells as text. Then you can type in anything you want. Scott Quattro Grafx Highland UT 84003 ======= At 2008-08-18, 12:16:00 you wrote: ======= >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I need to do a merge in Indesign for sequential numbering. I created the >Excel spreadsheet with the numbers but can't get the zeros in front of the >number (0001 instead of 1) without making the numbers text, and that doesn't >allow me to create a formula to increase each cell by 1. I'm pretty sure it >is relatively simple, but that obviously is too complex for me > > >Mark Lake >PIP Printing >368 Jefferson Street >Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 >920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax >www.pipsturgeonbay.com >Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com > >To send a file to us, please use the link below >http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 > > > > > >E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) >Database version: 5.09520 >http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Best regards. scottp scottp@quattrografx.com 2008-08-18 From si at ria.net Mon Aug 18 13:55:01 2008 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Mon Aug 18 13:56:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080818105611.BE794A95@dm52.mta.everyone.net> Select the cells where you want leading zeros to appear... Format ---> Cells ---> Number Tab ---> Custom In the box in the right hand column of the dialog box under "Type", enter the number of zeros corresponding to the total number of digits you want in your printed number. For example, if you want 4 digit numbers, like 0001, enter four zeros in the box. That takes care of it. Doug At 01:16 PM 8/18/2008, Mark Lake wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I need to do a merge in Indesign for sequential numbering. I created the >Excel spreadsheet with the numbers but can't get the zeros in front of the >number (0001 instead of 1) without making the numbers text, and that doesn't >allow me to create a formula to increase each cell by 1. I'm pretty sure it >is relatively simple, but that obviously is too complex for me Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From dominick at fmtc.com Mon Aug 18 15:09:42 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Mon Aug 18 15:09:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] software rip Message-ID: <48A9C8F6.8050300@fmtc.com> Is anyone out there using Software Rips, vs Hardware Rips? I have been reading about Wasatch.com software rips, and am wondering how well they actually control color. I have 3 other color copier rips, and each acts differently. I cannot afford to put a good rip on my Canon IPF8000s 44" color printer, so was looking for alternatives. Any thoughts are appreciated. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com From rstor at copycats.com Mon Aug 18 15:22:28 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Mon Aug 18 15:23:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mimeo.com In-Reply-To: <48A9C8F6.8050300@fmtc.com> References: <48A9C8F6.8050300@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <48A9CBF4.3060904@copycats.com> http://tinyurl.com/62wtuj On a separate note, the NBC show "Lipstick Jungle" will film part of one episode in our retail location. Unless things change, we will have national exposure 8-) (I hope that they don't portray copy chop staff as crazies). Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon Aug 18 16:12:41 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon Aug 18 16:14:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] software rip In-Reply-To: <48A9C8F6.8050300@fmtc.com> References: <48A9C8F6.8050300@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <200808182014.m7IKEPw7033666@i2bnetworks.com> Nobody uses Hardware RIPS anymore. These days its all software on generic XP/Vista or Linux boxes (with or w/o dongle). S. At 12:09 PM 8/18/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Is anyone out there using Software Rips, vs Hardware Rips? I have >been reading about Wasatch.com software rips, and am wondering how >well they actually control color. > >I have 3 other color copier rips, and each acts differently. I >cannot afford to put a good rip on my Canon IPF8000s 44" color >printer, so was looking for alternatives. > >Any thoughts are appreciated. > >Joe Dominick > >Dominick's Quality Printing >542 W. Idaho Avenue >Ontario Oregon 97914 >541.881.1121 >Fax 541.881.1599 > >www.dominicksprinting.com >dominick@fmtc.com >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3365 (20080818) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From prtquick at eos.net Mon Aug 18 16:39:34 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Mon Aug 18 16:35:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mac Mail - Trouble sending attachments? In-Reply-To: <200808182014.m7IKEPw7033666@i2bnetworks.com> References: <48A9C8F6.8050300@fmtc.com> <200808182014.m7IKEPw7033666@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <07B1BD06-435A-4E3D-B3BB-4C73564F4DDF@eos.net> I am running MacMail 2.1.3 I have several customers not receiving my attachments. They are almost always pdf files. Usually quotes or proofs. Nothing enormous. Are there some settings I should be checking? Maybe this is a problem with my ISP? Thanks! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From robin at protypeonline.com Mon Aug 18 16:35:20 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Mon Aug 18 16:35:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ideal Triumph Cutter 4850-EP95 Message-ID: <4E32A39A-D7EA-489C-9DD6-CFC9BC20F997@protypeonline.com> by any chance does anyone know how to calibrate this cutter? The actual cutting size and the LCD read-out are out of adjustment. Called the company we got it from (after reading the manual with no solutions found) and they just can't remember and need to make some phone calls. :) robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From steveprint at aol.com Mon Aug 18 04:36:38 2008 From: steveprint at aol.com (StevePrint) Date: Mon Aug 18 16:36:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] software rip In-Reply-To: <48A9C8F6.8050300@fmtc.com> References: <48A9C8F6.8050300@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <3d4ed2d3.296f.423d.89cc.0f43826142b5@aol.com> We use Onyx Postershop for our Epson Pro 9000 and it works well for our needs. Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting In a message dated 08/18/08 12:11:04 Pacific Daylight Time, dominick@fmtc.com writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Is anyone out there using Software Rips, vs Hardware Rips? I have been reading about Wasatch.com software rips, and am wondering how well they actually control color. I have 3 other color copier rips, and each acts differently. I cannot afford to put a good rip on my Canon IPF8000s 44" color printer, so was looking for alternatives. Any thoughts are appreciated. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From steveprint at aol.com Mon Aug 18 04:44:13 2008 From: steveprint at aol.com (StevePrint) Date: Mon Aug 18 16:43:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ideal Triumph Cutter 4850-EP95 In-Reply-To: <4E32A39A-D7EA-489C-9DD6-CFC9BC20F997@protypeonline.com> References: <4E32A39A-D7EA-489C-9DD6-CFC9BC20F997@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: Try moving back gauge all the way out and then all the way in. Then set it at 11" and try cutting. Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting In a message dated 08/18/08 13:37:52 Pacific Daylight Time, robin@protypeonline.com writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** by any chance does anyone know how to calibrate this cutter? The actual cutting size and the LCD read-out are out of adjustment. Called the company we got it from (after reading the manual with no solutions found) and they just can't remember and need to make some phone calls. :) robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From si at ria.net Mon Aug 18 16:50:15 2008 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Mon Aug 18 16:51:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mac Mail - Trouble sending attachments? In-Reply-To: <07B1BD06-435A-4E3D-B3BB-4C73564F4DDF@eos.net> References: <48A9C8F6.8050300@fmtc.com> <200808182014.m7IKEPw7033666@i2bnetworks.com> <07B1BD06-435A-4E3D-B3BB-4C73564F4DDF@eos.net> Message-ID: <20080818135125.BE783EEF@dm37.mta.everyone.net> Should be some sort of switch called "send Windows friendly attachments" or similar. Make sure it is enabled. Doug At 04:39 PM 8/18/2008, Scott Finke wrote: >I am running MacMail 2.1.3 > >I have several customers not receiving my attachments. They are >almost always pdf files. Usually quotes or proofs. Nothing enormous. > >Are there some settings I should be checking? Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From steveprint at aol.com Mon Aug 18 18:08:44 2008 From: steveprint at aol.com (Steve Salstrom) Date: Mon Aug 18 18:08:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FW: PartnerPrinting.com - Stretch Your Dollar! - Valuable Discount Enclosed! Message-ID: <1526291193.1219097324135.JavaMail.ccwas@p1-ws019.ad.prodcc.net> Dear Partner Printing Big Discount, Steve Salstrom has forwarded this email to you with the following message: I'm posting this for those of you that are looking for a quality 4 Color Trade Printer that sells to the Trade only. Subscribe me! http://ui.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?p=oo&m=1102157697671&ea=printowners%40printweb.org ----------------------------------------------------------- Please Note: You have NOT been added to any email lists. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, please contact steveprint@aol.com. ----------------------------------------------------------- Dear Steven, ----------------------------------------------------------- This email was forwarded to printowners@printweb.org, by Steve Salstrom. Privacy Policy http://ui.constantcontact.com/roving/CCPrivacyPolicy.jsp Email Marketing by Constant Contact(R) www.constantcontact.com From sos at olympus.net Mon Aug 18 18:41:33 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Aug 18 18:41:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel question References: <053901c90159$b47603c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <9B74137C-12BB-4CC7-872E-E5E9DBBACFDB@interiorgraphics.com> Message-ID: <063901c90183$910a88a0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle at Interior Graphics" > Select the column you are using, and hit format cells. Under the type, > select general, and then you can type in four zeros or whatever amount > you need. (0000). That will make the cells numbers with zeros in front > of them. Then you can type in the start number in the top of the column, > and hit Edit > Fill > Series and you can make the numbers increase by 1 > and put in the stop number. ==================== That all works great. But. . . when I merge the numbers in InDesign it always starts with 0002 and goes forward, instead of starting with 0001. I assume that's because it assumes line one is the title of the file, but I can't find any way to put a title in line 1 and still get it to put numbers in line 2 and on. If I put a title in line 1 it just copies that title down the column. What am I doing wrong now? Do you have to manually type in a title in the.csv file? or what? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From steveprint at aol.com Mon Aug 18 07:20:16 2008 From: steveprint at aol.com (StevePrint) Date: Mon Aug 18 19:19:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Transfer of accounts In-Reply-To: <1906A08C618546419291CE3E662A63E5@xppro> References: <1906A08C618546419291CE3E662A63E5@xppro> Message-ID: <0fd31ce6.7d09.47eb.a069.d1b66c1483a8@aol.com> Don't forget to get a notarized letter from owner to vendors that transfers all rights to records and artwork on files. You may need this to get account history from outside vendors such as Ennis, Discount Labels, etc. If your paying the owner for the accounts, I would suggest you have an agreement that he'll help with history/questions about accounts for 3-6 months and pay him in payments for that period. Introductions by the owner are the best way to get your foot in the door. Relationships are important to the future success. If it's a larger deal, there would also be a non-compete, non-disclosure clause in the agreement. Make sure it's an asset purchase and that it's clear your not assuming liabilities. Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing 1521 Cornwall Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-671-2997 www.iorderprinting.com Ideas & Solutions http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/iorderprinting In a message dated 08/16/08 11:31:13 Pacific Daylight Time, liberty.printing@cox.net writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hello All, Does anyone here have any advise on the best way to transfer a closing print shop's accounts to another ongoing shop (my shop)? I am thinking of buying the accounts of another print shop near me. They have already closed the doors supposedly as of last week. They already sold all the equipment to a broker from what I am told. The previous owner has moved on to another profession and for the last year and a half the son has been running the place. Now he too is going to go do the same thing as his father. The son has agreed to introduce me to some of the key customers, and also has agreed to have the telephone number transferred to my shop. But I am thinking that the 2 of them are comletely burned out and they both just want this business to be gone and done with. And as a result, if I do go for this, I think am going to pretty much on my own. My question is this, has anyone had any experiences with any of the following either good or bad. 1. Go around with the son being introduced to as many customers as I can talk him into doing? ( I don't think the customers really know him that well, or visa versa. I think they mostly know the father) Plus, I can tell the son REALLY doesn't want to do this. 2. Draft a letter of introduction to all of the customers explaining that I bought the business and I want to sevice their accounts? 3. Just answer the phone with the previous owners company name and then when they ask who I am explain the situation and try to wrangle them in one at a time? Any advise? Should I do a combination of all 3 or is there one I should leave out? Or, any other ideas? Tom Hodgkinson Liberty Printing 247 Quaker Lane West Warwick, RI 02893 401-828-0178 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bill at werkheiser.com Mon Aug 18 19:20:05 2008 From: bill at werkheiser.com (Bill Werkheiser) Date: Mon Aug 18 19:20:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Book Printer Needed In-Reply-To: <014801c9014f$5b46caa0$6500a8c0@TravisComp> References: <1906A08C618546419291CE3E662A63E5@xppro> <6C87A387-19EE-46B3-840D-B42C46F7BA09@inkonpaper.biz> <014801c9014f$5b46caa0$6500a8c0@TravisComp> Message-ID: <48AA03A5.9040407@werkheiser.com> Travis, we do these pretty regularly unless the quantity would prohibit us from doing them inhouse. Quantity? Bill Werkheiser http://WeLoveToPrint.com SE PrinTech / Coastal Mailing Services P O Box 27 - 315 E Banks St. Glennville, GA 30427 (912) 654-3610 phone (912) 654-3611 fax tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am looking for another source for a paperback book printer. This is for a reprint of a book that we brokered out for a customer a few years back. We had Thompson Shore print it but since then they have had a salesperson contact my customer directly, so needless to say I will not be using them again. If you know of any other sources...especially for the trade I would appreciate the information. > > Travis Strickland > Studio Designs Printing > Milledgeville, GA 31061 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3365 (20080818) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > From list at interiorgraphics.com Mon Aug 18 19:41:23 2008 From: list at interiorgraphics.com (Michelle at Interior Graphics) Date: Mon Aug 18 19:41:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel question In-Reply-To: <063901c90183$910a88a0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <053901c90159$b47603c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <9B74137C-12BB-4CC7-872E-E5E9DBBACFDB@interiorgraphics.com> <063901c90183$910a88a0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <43EBF420-4A20-40D1-94F9-FEB570B4BD76@interiorgraphics.com> Hi Dan, After I get my columns set up for whatever job I'm doing, I go in and add a new row, and then put labels in the top. For instance, on a three up item I'll have three rows of numbers, and label them top, middle, and bottom. Or 1, 2 and 3, or whatever. The numbers come out right then. Michelle ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michelle Maynor "Your Personal Printer" Interior Graphics & Printing 770 8th Avenue Fairbanks, AK 99701 907.456.4982 phone 907.452.6992 fax "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the most." - John Ruskin On Aug 18, 2008, at 2:41 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle at Interior Graphics" > > >> Select the column you are using, and hit format cells. Under the >> type, select general, and then you can type in four zeros or >> whatever amount you need. (0000). That will make the cells >> numbers with zeros in front of them. Then you can type in the >> start number in the top of the column, and hit Edit > Fill > >> Series and you can make the numbers increase by 1 and put in the >> stop number. > ==================== > > That all works great. But. . . when I merge the numbers in > InDesign it always starts with 0002 and goes forward, instead of > starting with 0001. I assume that's because it assumes line one is > the title of the file, but I can't find any way to put a title in > line 1 and still get it to put numbers in line 2 and on. If I put > a title in line 1 it just copies that title down the column. > What am I doing wrong now? > Do you have to manually type in a title in the.csv file? or what? > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From char at themasterspress.com Mon Aug 18 20:09:56 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Mon Aug 18 20:09:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mimeo.com In-Reply-To: <48A9CBF4.3060904@copycats.com> References: <48A9C8F6.8050300@fmtc.com> <48A9CBF4.3060904@copycats.com> Message-ID: This is a very interesting article. I have never heard of these people but they sound pretty amazing. I think a 99.6% error free. I have to say I can't claim that. Sounds like they might give Kinko's plus others of us a run for our money or at least our work. Actually it is a great story and a great article. What a great piece of advertisement in Forbes. Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robert Stor Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:22 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Mimeo.com ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** http://tinyurl.com/62wtuj __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3366 (20080819) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From sos at olympus.net Mon Aug 18 20:53:33 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Aug 18 20:53:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel question Now InDesign Data Merge References: <053901c90159$b47603c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL><9B74137C-12BB-4CC7-872E-E5E9DBBACFDB@interiorgraphics.com><063901c90183$910a88a0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <43EBF420-4A20-40D1-94F9-FEB570B4BD76@interiorgraphics.com> Message-ID: <065f01c90196$01e31030$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle at Interior Graphics" > After I get my columns set up for whatever job I'm doing, I go in and add > a new row, and then put labels in the top. ==================== Oh AFTER you set it up you add a new row. Oh. . . these little details that get left out. . . Now it works. Thank you Michelle. After successfully doing a simple numbers data merge, I tried doing first name, last name, company name, address, city, state, zip. And that worked fine too, except for where there wasn't a company name there was an extra blank line. In the [Content Placement Options] I enabled the [Remove blank lines for empty fields] but I still get a blank line. Anybody, know why that would be? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From si at ria.net Mon Aug 18 22:12:19 2008 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Mon Aug 18 22:13:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FW: PartnerPrinting.com - Stretch Your Dollar! - Valuable Discount Enclosed! In-Reply-To: <1526291193.1219097324135.JavaMail.ccwas@p1-ws019.ad.prodcc .net> References: <1526291193.1219097324135.JavaMail.ccwas@p1-ws019.ad.prodcc.net> Message-ID: <20080818191331.BE78802D@sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net> I'm curious, Steve. What's this all about? Doug At 06:08 PM 8/18/2008, Steve Salstrom wrote: >Dear Partner Printing Big Discount, > >Steve Salstrom has forwarded this email to you with the following message: >I'm posting this for those of you that are looking for a >quality 4 Color Trade Printer that sells to the Trade >only. > >Subscribe me! >http://ui.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?p=oo&m=1102157697671&ea=printowners%40printweb.org > >----------------------------------------------------------- >Please Note: You have NOT been added to any email lists. >If you no longer wish to receive these messages, >please contact steveprint@aol.com. >----------------------------------------------------------- > >Dear Steven, > > > >----------------------------------------------------------- > > >This email was forwarded to printowners@printweb.org, by Steve Salstrom. >Privacy Policy >http://ui.constantcontact.com/roving/CCPrivacyPolicy.jsp > >Email Marketing by >Constant Contact(R) >www.constantcontact.com -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. 327 12th Street, Toledo, Ohio 43604 USA Tel +1 419 242 7877 Fax +1 419 244 8653 mailto:das@superiorimpressions.com Upload your files to our Digital Dropbox http://superiorimpressions.com/up From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Mon Aug 18 22:58:04 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Mon Aug 18 22:58:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] FW: PartnerPrinting.com - Stretch Your Dollar! - Valuable Discount Enclosed! In-Reply-To: <20080818191331.BE78802D@sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net> References: <1526291193.1219097324135.JavaMail.ccwas@p1-ws019.ad.prodcc.net> <20080818191331.BE78802D@sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <50D85181-23F3-4586-97CB-580D321D0EF0@bellsouth.net> Curious myself.... This is what I found when I clicked on the link. Looks like the whole printowners list has joined! Registration You are already a member of the Colour Concepts, Inc. mailing list. If you would like to update your profile, please click the Submit button and instructions will be emailed to you. Your Email Address: printowners@printweb.org Colour Concepts, Inc. uses which guarantees the permanent removal of your email address from the Colour Concepts, Inc. list. Note: In each email you receive, there will be a link to unsubscribe or change your areas of interest. Your privacy is important to us - please read our Email Privacy Policy. Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Aug 18, 2008, at 10:12 PM, Doug Shelton wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'm curious, Steve. What's this all about? > > Doug > > At 06:08 PM 8/18/2008, Steve Salstrom wrote: > >> Dear Partner Printing Big Discount, >> >> Steve Salstrom has forwarded this email to you with the following >> message: >> I'm posting this for those of you that are looking for a >> quality 4 Color Trade Printer that sells to the Trade >> only. >> >> Subscribe me! >> http://ui.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?p=oo&m=1102157697671&ea=printowners%40printweb.org >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> Please Note: You have NOT been added to any email lists. >> If you no longer wish to receive these messages, >> please contact steveprint@aol.com. >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Dear Steven, >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> This email was forwarded to printowners@printweb.org, by Steve >> Salstrom. >> Privacy Policy >> http://ui.constantcontact.com/roving/CCPrivacyPolicy.jsp >> >> Email Marketing by >> Constant Contact(R) >> www.constantcontact.com > > -- > Doug Shelton > Superior Impressions, Inc. > 327 12th Street, Toledo, Ohio 43604 USA > Tel +1 419 242 7877 Fax +1 419 244 8653 > mailto:das@superiorimpressions.com > > Upload your files to our Digital Dropbox > http://superiorimpressions.com/up > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From StevePrint at aol.com Mon Aug 18 23:39:44 2008 From: StevePrint at aol.com (StevePrint@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 18 23:39:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Partner Printing Discount Message-ID: Sorry about any confusion. Was attempting to post a discount coupon for all of you from Partner Printing. If anyone wants it email me direct and email you the 15% off coupon I received for Trade Orders. Thanks, Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing _www.iorderprinting.com_ (http://www.iorderprinting.com) **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From bill at mauiprintworks.com Tue Aug 19 00:01:19 2008 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Tue Aug 19 00:01:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mac Mail - Trouble sending attachments? In-Reply-To: <07B1BD06-435A-4E3D-B3BB-4C73564F4DDF@eos.net> References: <48A9C8F6.8050300@fmtc.com> <200808182014.m7IKEPw7033666@i2bnetworks.com> <07B1BD06-435A-4E3D-B3BB-4C73564F4DDF@eos.net> Message-ID: I seem to have the same problem, and only for a couple customers. When I print to pdf an estimate and send it as an attachment, almost everyone can read it except for maybe 3 customers don't get it or can't open it. (same customers each time) (also running MacMail 2.1.3) Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793 bill@mauiprintworks.com 808-242-6634 > > I am running MacMail 2.1.3 > > I have several customers not receiving my attachments. They are > almost always pdf files. Usually quotes or proofs. Nothing enormous. > > Are there some settings I should be checking? > > Maybe this is a problem with my ISP? > > Thanks! > > Scott Finke > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Phone: (513) 522.2679 > Fax (513) 522.2692 > Email: info@brentwood-printing.com > www.Brentwood-Printing.com From StevePrint at aol.com Tue Aug 19 00:16:01 2008 From: StevePrint at aol.com (StevePrint@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 19 00:16:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mac Mail - Trouble sending attachments? Message-ID: Some ISP's seem to compress files sent from Mac's to PC's. Have seen this many times. Steve Salstrom Bay Business Printing **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From bcreighton at danielsprinting.us Tue Aug 19 00:17:58 2008 From: bcreighton at danielsprinting.us (Bill) Date: Tue Aug 19 00:18:29 2008 Subject: SPAM-LOW: [PrintOwners] Partner Printing Discount In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48AA4976.9090000@danielsprinting.us> Dteve: So What bay are you near? A good sig would help you out. Bill StevePrint@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Sorry about any confusion. Was attempting to post a discount coupon for all > of you from Partner Printing. > If anyone wants it email me direct and email you the 15% off coupon I > received for Trade Orders. > Thanks, > Steve Salstrom > Bay Business Printing > _www.iorderprinting.com_ (http://www.iorderprinting.com) > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- Bill Creighton Daniels Printing 2141 Priest Bridge Drive Suite 5 Crofton, MD 301.261.3426 From mkahny at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 08:16:19 2008 From: mkahny at gmail.com (Michael Kahny) Date: Tue Aug 19 08:16:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mac Mail - Trouble sending attachments? In-Reply-To: <07B1BD06-435A-4E3D-B3BB-4C73564F4DDF@eos.net> References: <48A9C8F6.8050300@fmtc.com> <200808182014.m7IKEPw7033666@i2bnetworks.com> <07B1BD06-435A-4E3D-B3BB-4C73564F4DDF@eos.net> Message-ID: <7bb924c10808190516o3a7d6c54p7034a410552a5300@mail.gmail.com> Scott, We have a couple customers with that problem as well. Try sending the emails to them using "plain text" only. I seems that If you use the "rich text" format the attachment can get embedded in the email. It will still get to them but their email program will probably filter the attachment out when viewing. The funny thing was one customer would reply back that they didn't get the attachment and the attachment was right there in their reply email. Problem was obviously on their end but that is small consolation when trying to do business with them. - Mike ============= Michael T. Kahny Kahny Printing, Inc. ? 4766 River Road ? Cincinnati, OH 45233 (513) 251-2911 ? Fax: (513) 251-7004 * Email: mike@kahny.com ================================================= On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Scott Finke wrote: I have several customers not receiving my attachments. From prtquick at eos.net Tue Aug 19 08:52:02 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Tue Aug 19 08:47:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Storage & Delivery Charges (Fulfillment) In-Reply-To: <7bb924c10808190516o3a7d6c54p7034a410552a5300@mail.gmail.com> References: <48A9C8F6.8050300@fmtc.com> <200808182014.m7IKEPw7033666@i2bnetworks.com> <07B1BD06-435A-4E3D-B3BB-4C73564F4DDF@eos.net> <7bb924c10808190516o3a7d6c54p7034a410552a5300@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <528FA587-3C29-4620-B14C-6CE4A5D1F00F@eos.net> Does anyone currently charge their customers for storage and delivery of inventory? I have a customer asking me what our prices are for this - and I don't really know where to start. I guess this is 'fulfillment'! I currently store some of their ad materials and imprint them on request, but now they are asking about whole skids. Thanks! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com www.Brentwood-Printing.com From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Tue Aug 19 09:05:05 2008 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Tue Aug 19 09:04:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Storage & Delivery Charges (Fulfillment) References: <48A9C8F6.8050300@fmtc.com><200808182014.m7IKEPw7033666@i2bnetworks.com><07B1BD06-435A-4E3D-B3BB-4C73564F4DDF@eos.net><7bb924c10808190516o3a7d6c54p7034a410552a5300@mail.gmail.com> <528FA587-3C29-4620-B14C-6CE4A5D1F00F@eos.net> Message-ID: <001401c901fc$340837f0$042967d3@kp4> I do not charge for this. In fact in order to get this portion of their business Paragon picked it all up from another vendor, inventoried it and developed a system to give them a bi-monthly update on the materials. In this case these are contents for the many binders we print/assemble/mail or deliver. We charge for shipping + a small charge. We do not charge for delivery for them personally. the business was worth it to Paragon. Besides getting paid promptly Paragon often receives a sweet treat for making their life easier. Staff loves that. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Finke" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:52 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Storage & Delivery Charges (Fulfillment) > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone currently charge their customers for storage and delivery > of inventory? > I have a customer asking me what our prices are for this - and I > don't really know where to start. > I guess this is 'fulfillment'! > I currently store some of their ad materials and imprint them on > request, but now they are asking about whole skids. > > Thanks! > > Scott Finke > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Phone: (513) 522.2679 > Fax (513) 522.2692 > Email: info@brentwood-printing.com > www.Brentwood-Printing.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From bob at rjmprinting.com Tue Aug 19 09:20:08 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Tue Aug 19 09:20:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Storage & Delivery Charges (Fulfillment) In-Reply-To: <528FA587-3C29-4620-B14C-6CE4A5D1F00F@eos.net> Message-ID: Scott, Check out "How Fulfillment Services Drive Print Volume" by C. Clint Bolte, I purchased it a few years ago from the NAPL. One of the fast growing Sir Speedy's in the country derives a significant portion of it's revenue from Fulfillment. I totally disagree with giving this service away, especially when you are talking pallets, it's not like storing business card shells. You need to have reporting and inventory tracking, probably an upgrade in your shipping and receiving area. JMO Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Finke Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:52 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Storage & Delivery Charges (Fulfillment) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does anyone currently charge their customers for storage and delivery of inventory? I have a customer asking me what our prices are for this - and I don't really know where to start. I guess this is 'fulfillment'! I currently store some of their ad materials and imprint them on request, but now they are asking about whole skids. Thanks! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com www.Brentwood-Printing.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Aug 19 09:21:36 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Aug 19 09:21:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 36, Issue 65 In-Reply-To: <20080818231945.8B889103805F@rb.enter.net> References: <20080818231945.8B889103805F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <673B0E2F-D0D1-4D5D-8423-6D6F026D700B@protypeonline.com> Steve, Appreciate the thought but we did this first -- no luck. Tech guy called back and gave me a "sequence" to try -- hold this down, push this, enter this....followed to the letter and now the back gauge is so out of whack it would be funny IF we didn't need to use the silly thing. Soooo, apparently it can be adjusted or calibrated....just need to find out what was lost in the translation in the instructions from German to English! And.....trying to use an "office"-type cutter in a commercial printing operation where accuracy is required ....well, we are pushing this cutter to its limits! Robin On Aug 18, 2008, at 6:19 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > Re: [PrintOwners] Ideal Triumph Cutter 4850-EP95 Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From prtquick at eos.net Tue Aug 19 09:40:41 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Tue Aug 19 09:36:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Storage & Delivery Charges (Fulfillment) In-Reply-To: <001401c901fc$340837f0$042967d3@kp4> References: <48A9C8F6.8050300@fmtc.com><200808182014.m7IKEPw7033666@i2bnetworks.com><07B1BD06-435A-4E3D-B3BB-4C73564F4DDF@eos.net><7bb924c10808190516o3a7d6c54p7034a410552a5300@mail.gmail.com> <528FA587-3C29-4620-B14C-6CE4A5D1F00F@eos.net> <001401c901fc$340837f0$042967d3@kp4> Message-ID: <84D4A616-6A1D-423F-824A-89B0C8DCCF8A@eos.net> Well, thats what we currently do, but my customer wants to ramp up the amount we store, and the frequency of delivery, and has asked me for a price. Thanks! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - On Aug 19, 2008, at 9:05 AM, Linda Baribeau wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I do not charge for this. In fact in order to get this portion of > their > business Paragon picked it all up from another vendor, inventoried > it and > developed a system to give them a bi-monthly update on the > materials. In > this case these are contents for the many binders we print/assemble/ > mail or > deliver. We charge for shipping + a small charge. We do not charge for > delivery for them personally. the business was worth it to Paragon. > Besides > getting paid promptly Paragon often receives a sweet treat for > making their > life easier. Staff loves that. > > Linda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Finke" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:52 AM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Storage & Delivery Charges (Fulfillment) > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Does anyone currently charge their customers for storage and delivery >> of inventory? >> I have a customer asking me what our prices are for this - and I >> don't really know where to start. >> I guess this is 'fulfillment'! >> I currently store some of their ad materials and imprint them on >> request, but now they are asking about whole skids. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Scott Finke >> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >> 8630 Winton Road >> Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 >> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> Phone: (513) 522.2679 >> Fax (513) 522.2692 >> Email: info@brentwood-printing.com >> www.Brentwood-Printing.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From dennis.trump at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 09:50:18 2008 From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump) Date: Tue Aug 19 09:50:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Storage & Delivery Charges (Fulfillment) In-Reply-To: <528FA587-3C29-4620-B14C-6CE4A5D1F00F@eos.net> References: <48A9C8F6.8050300@fmtc.com> <200808182014.m7IKEPw7033666@i2bnetworks.com> <07B1BD06-435A-4E3D-B3BB-4C73564F4DDF@eos.net> <7bb924c10808190516o3a7d6c54p7034a410552a5300@mail.gmail.com> <528FA587-3C29-4620-B14C-6CE4A5D1F00F@eos.net> Message-ID: <41aa6a080808190650jcd8d48amd6e29655d39b8368@mail.gmail.com> I do some of this and I charge per pallet. Right now I am charging $50 per pallet per month and many times we never touch the pallet. I also charge each time we take the pallet down and deliver. I charge for anything a customer asks us to store including shells. When I did not charge I ended up with old shells and printing that gradually grew and grew. If you charge people tend to remember to do something with their old stuff. -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 > > Does anyone currently charge their customers for storage and delivery of > inventory? > I have a customer asking me what our prices are for this - and I don't > really know where to start. > I guess this is 'fulfillment'! > I currently store some of their ad materials and imprint them on request, > but now they are asking about whole skids. > > > > From oren66 at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 19 09:52:29 2008 From: oren66 at sbcglobal.net (Arie Teomi) Date: Tue Aug 19 10:19:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Challenge Cutters Message-ID: <13108.99465.qm@web83401.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> We have a challenge Cutter Model 20. The two Pull Rods broke this morning. Challenge does not have them. They say they do not support this model any more. Any idea if and where I can get this Part? Thanks Arie Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner From bob at rjmprinting.com Tue Aug 19 10:31:09 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Tue Aug 19 10:31:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Challenge Cutters In-Reply-To: <13108.99465.qm@web83401.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Try Bruce at Quality Equipment and Service 763-784-1079. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Arie Teomi Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:52 AM To: Printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Challenge Cutters ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have a challenge Cutter Model 20. The two Pull Rods broke this morning. Challenge does not have them. They say they do not support this model any more. Any idea if and where I can get this Part? Thanks Arie Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Tue Aug 19 10:52:21 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Tue Aug 19 10:50:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Challenge Cutters In-Reply-To: <13108.99465.qm@web83401.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <13108.99465.qm@web83401.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c401c9020b$30458cd0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Arie I don't know if this will help you or not. We have a machine shop near us who have saved us a small fortune. Whenever we have a broken or worn-out part they make us a new one. They can fix anything mechanical too. There could be someone like that in your neighborhood. Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Arie Teomi Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:52 AM To: Printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Challenge Cutters ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have a challenge Cutter Model 20. The two Pull Rods broke this morning. Challenge does not have them. They say they do not support this model any more. Any idea if and where I can get this Part? Thanks Arie Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From rsmith at smithprintinginc.com Tue Aug 19 11:11:46 2008 From: rsmith at smithprintinginc.com (Randy Smith) Date: Tue Aug 19 10:57:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for Supplies & Parts vendor for Canon 3220 Message-ID: I'm looking for vendors from whom we can buy supplies & parts for a Canon 3220. Any referrals will be appreciated, Randy Smith Smith Printing Company, Inc. P.O.Box 37 Leeds, AL 35094 Office: 205.699.2284 Fax: 205.699.8660 e-mail: rsmith@smithprintinginc.com From meadows at allegranet.com Tue Aug 19 11:19:48 2008 From: meadows at allegranet.com (Michael Tarpinian) Date: Tue Aug 19 11:19:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Challenge Cutters In-Reply-To: <13108.99465.qm@web83401.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <13108.99465.qm@web83401.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <31DAC7B3-7DFE-4759-B854-3FDF2B1C9D47@allegranet.com> Arie, My go-to guy is Mike Schlesinger at 630-766-4074. He knows those cutters backwards and forwards. - - - - - - Michael Tarpinian Allegra Print & Imaging 5410 Newport Drive, Suite 31 Rolling Meadows, IL 60008 T 847/398-2500 F 847/398-2979 www.allegraUSA.com Printing | Mailing | Posters & Banners | Promotional Products On Aug 19, 2008, at 8:52 AM, Arie Teomi wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have a challenge Cutter Model 20. > The two Pull Rods broke this morning. Challenge does > not have them. They say they do not support this model > any more. > > Any idea if and where I can get this Part? > > Thanks > Arie > > Arie Teomi > LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT > 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F > Cleveland, OH 44122 > P:216-464-1960 > F:216-464-1660 > > www.LastingImpressionDirect.com > > Your Full Service > PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Aug 19 13:23:26 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Aug 19 13:24:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] GBC Falcon Laminate/Mount Users Message-ID: <098C7B98-7D7A-4A0A-8353-E84CE131F125@protypeonline.com> I just purchased a 40" GBC Falcon laminator/mounter -- met dealer via ebay but purchased directly. Anyway, he sent a nice and current manual and the machine looks to be in excellent condition. Heading down to basement later today to see if I can set it up and do some practice jobs. Wondering if any current owners/users might have some tips for me or would be available as a resource if necessary. The seller was a general equipment dealer and not a printing equipment dealer. I have a local GBC dealer but he pitched a fit when I placed a service call for preventive maintenance -- said he would never consider servicing a machine he didn't sell. WOW! Told me his company policy was not to service anything they didn't sell. Sure seems like they are missing out on lots of potential business but then ....I'm too busy to run his business for him! :) It would be interesting to see how GBC feels about one of their dealers not willing to provide service on their machines!!??? Robin Pro-Type Printing, Inc. Robin Niewold robin@protypeonline.com PAXTON 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 NORMAL 203 North Street Normal, IL 61761 309.452.4409 From john at duplicatesink.com Tue Aug 19 14:05:55 2008 From: john at duplicatesink.com (John Cassidy) Date: Tue Aug 19 14:08:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] System Busters In-Reply-To: <00c401c9020b$30458cd0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: <20080819180842.932E61DA256@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Has anyone heard of Bob Bliss or Phillip Paul Beyer with System Busters. System 100 is a service that they sell to you to put systems and procedures in place similar to an ISO certification. Just looking to see if anyone has heard of it or has purchased the system. What is the cost and has it helped you. Duplicates INK John Cassidy Conway SC 843-248-2574 Warmest Regards, John Cassidy www.duplicatesink.com Print & Communications If you always do what you have always done, you will ALWAYS get what you have ALWAYS got! Try some new creative marketing ideas. Give us a call to discuss your next direct mail marketing project. From bob.weatherallprinting at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 14:29:41 2008 From: bob.weatherallprinting at gmail.com (Bob Lehman) Date: Tue Aug 19 14:29:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] System Busters References: <20080819180842.932E61DA256@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <22BBB35A34874BEEBDE3EAD56C2AEB28@wp.com> I was given a copy of the book. I read it and suggest you read it too before committing to anything. The system sounded almost anal in the amount of redundant record keeping you have to go through to get it implemented. It's probably like all consulting services though, you get out of it what you put into it. Bob Lehman Weatherall Printing Co., Inc. P.O. Box 677 Tupelo, MS 38802 Ph 662-842-5284 Fax 662-844-4533 bob@weatherallprinting.com www.weatherallprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cassidy" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 1:05 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] System Busters > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Has anyone heard of Bob Bliss or Phillip Paul Beyer with System Busters. > System 100 is a service that they sell to you to put systems and > procedures > in place similar to an ISO certification. Just looking to see if anyone > has > heard of it or has purchased the system. What is the cost and has it > helped > you. > > > Duplicates INK > John Cassidy > Conway SC > 843-248-2574 > > Warmest Regards, > John Cassidy > www.duplicatesink.com > > Print & Communications > If you always do what you have always done, you will ALWAYS get what you > have ALWAYS got! > > Try some new creative marketing ideas. Give us a call to discuss your next > direct mail marketing project. > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From clc at crownmax.com Tue Aug 19 14:36:20 2008 From: clc at crownmax.com (clc) Date: Tue Aug 19 14:36:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] System Busters In-Reply-To: <20080819180842.932E61DA256@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <00c401c9020b$30458cd0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> <20080819180842.932E61DA256@relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <5A73A1F595224E25B8B07ED85BB3832F@Crown.local> Several years ago I went on a tour of their operation in Nashville when the book first came out. They have a nice operation and could definitely help someone who is just starting to get operational systems in place. We were too far along with our own program to see much benefit. Some of the detail was a little overboard but the basics were there. HTH Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road Dunbar, WV 25064 1-800-252-40111 www.crownmax.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Cassidy Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:06 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] System Busters ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Has anyone heard of Bob Bliss or Phillip Paul Beyer with System Busters. System 100 is a service that they sell to you to put systems and procedures in place similar to an ISO certification. Just looking to see if anyone has heard of it or has purchased the system. What is the cost and has it helped you. Duplicates INK John Cassidy Conway SC 843-248-2574 Warmest Regards, John Cassidy www.duplicatesink.com Print & Communications If you always do what you have always done, you will ALWAYS get what you have ALWAYS got! Try some new creative marketing ideas. Give us a call to discuss your next direct mail marketing project. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From championprinting at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 14:43:32 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Tue Aug 19 14:43:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] System Busters Message-ID: <803525.47890.qm@web38304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Why would you want a *non* certification system in place? If you are looking to increase printing productivity, there are wonderful consultants that specialize in printing. Could System Busters be a small time IPA-IBA clone? They do not appear to have a web presence. Google found: http://systembusters.org/ Ted Gelletly Allegra Print & Imaging (formerly Champion Printing) 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@allegraeldersburg.com ----- Original Message ---- From: John Cassidy To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:05:55 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] System Busters ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Has anyone heard of Bob Bliss or Phillip Paul Beyer with System Busters. System 100 is a service that they sell to you to put systems and procedures in place similar to an ISO certification. Just looking to see if anyone has heard of it or has purchased the system. What is the cost and has it helped you. Duplicates INK John Cassidy Conway SC 843-248-2574 Warmest Regards, John Cassidy www.duplicatesink.com From championprinting at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 14:51:32 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Tue Aug 19 14:51:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] System Busters Message-ID: <307159.92088.qm@web38303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You did not indicate you were referring to the book "System Buster" The s added to Buster dropped it down a few Google search notches. Here are a couple of reviews: http://tinyurl.com/6clwlq or http://www.amazon.com/review/product/0976482207/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1 Ted Gelletly Allegra Print & Imaging (formerly Champion Printing) 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@allegraeldersburg.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob Lehman To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:29:41 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] System Busters ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I was given a copy of the book. I read it and suggest you read it too before committing to anything. The system sounded almost anal in the amount of redundant record keeping you have to go through to get it implemented. It's probably like all consulting services though, you get out of it what you put into it. Bob Lehman Weatherall Printing Co., Inc. P.O. Box 677 Tupelo, MS 38802 Ph 662-842-5284 Fax 662-844-4533 bob@weatherallprinting.com www.weatherallprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cassidy" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 1:05 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] System Busters > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Has anyone heard of Bob Bliss or Phillip Paul Beyer with System Busters. > System 100 is a service that they sell to you to put systems and > procedures > in place similar to an ISO certification. Just looking to see if anyone > has > heard of it or has purchased the system. What is the cost and has it > helped > you. > > > Duplicates INK > John Cassidy > Conway SC > 843-248-2574 > > Warmest Regards, > John Cassidy > www.duplicatesink.com From john at duplicatesink.com Tue Aug 19 15:26:10 2008 From: john at duplicatesink.com (John Cassidy) Date: Tue Aug 19 15:29:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM650 or 6500 with Harlequin Rip In-Reply-To: <803525.47890.qm@web38304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080819192858.790F623311F@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Anyone familiar with the Harlequin Rip for this equipment Duplicates INK John Cassidy 843-248-2574 Conway SC www.duplicatesink.com john@duplicatesink.com From brian at mousegraphics.com Tue Aug 19 15:46:17 2008 From: brian at mousegraphics.com (Brian Perkinson) Date: Tue Aug 19 15:46:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] More Census Stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48AB2309.6080802@mousegraphics.com> QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > > > > Oh sure, since when does the Dept. of Commerce have enforcement authority. > They will have to turn the issue over to the Justice Department who will > immediately jump on this case because of its national significance. > > They will probably get around to possibly sending you a letter of sorts > sometime in late 2009 and your first response will be that you simply were faced > with either taking the time to fill-out the survey or running your business. > You chose the latter, explaining you simply did not have the time nor the > personnel then or now to complete that form. That's a statement of fact. You > will gladly comply if they will send someone to your offices to help you > complete it. > > Do you really think with all the issues the Dept. of Justice is charged with > enforcing that they are going to come down on you with a heavy fist? Where > do you think "failure to complete a census form" falls in the list of > priorities at the Justice Department? > > With me it is a matter of principle, I simply will not fill-out a survey > that is so poorly designed and executed as to serve no possible purpose. And > since I am a "printing expert" qualified in the Federal Courts I think I could > make a good case for the fact (I might have to call myself) that it would be an > utter waste of time to attempt to comply. However, in the event that effort > fails or the argument is found lacking I will write a couple of more letters > appealing my case. > > By this time, I believe we will be into late 2010 or possibly 2011 and if > all else fails I will throw myself on the mercy of the court, plead ignorance, > and ask them to send me another copy to complete. If that happens, I will > immediately order 3-4 rubber stamps made that will say, "Unknown," "Data > Unavailable," "Question Not Clear and thus cannot be answered properly," etc., etc. > We could easily be into Obama's second term in office before this is all > over. > I just got my nasty letter. Maybe we can start a pool to help fund the $5,000 fines if it gets that far. Has anyone let the 15 days pass without responding? John, are you available to testify, or at least to help write the letters if some of us push this as far as we can? Brian -- Brian Perkinson Mousegraphics 1414 W 14th St Tempe, AZ 85281 480-894-1992 1-888-88 MOUSE brian@mousegraphics.com www.mousegraphics.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Aug 19 15:50:39 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 19 15:50:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] More Census Stuff Message-ID: In a message dated 8/19/2008 3:47:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brian@mousegraphics.com writes: Has anyone let the 15 days pass without responding? Of course I have never responded but then again I am crazy! I will say I did not get that threatening letter which is surprising since everyone else seemed to indicate they had. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From greg at pressexpress.org Tue Aug 19 16:14:48 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Tue Aug 19 16:15:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mac Mail - Trouble sending attachments? In-Reply-To: <7bb924c10808190516o3a7d6c54p7034a410552a5300@mail.gmail.com> References: <48A9C8F6.8050300@fmtc.com> <200808182014.m7IKEPw7033666@i2bnetworks.com> <07B1BD06-435A-4E3D-B3BB-4C73564F4DDF@eos.net> <7bb924c10808190516o3a7d6c54p7034a410552a5300@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Try this. Edit>Attachments>Send Windows Friendly Attachments. This resolved many of our problems. Greg On Aug 19, 2008, at 7:16 AM, Michael Kahny wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Scott, > We have a couple customers with that problem as well. > > Try sending the emails to them using "plain text" only. I seems that > If you > use the "rich text" format the attachment can get embedded in the > email. It > will still get to them but their email program will probably filter > the > attachment out when viewing. The funny thing was one customer would > reply > back that they didn't get the attachment and the attachment was > right there > in their reply email. Problem was obviously on their end but that is > small consolation when trying to do business with them. > > - Mike > > ============= > Michael T. Kahny > Kahny Printing, Inc. ? 4766 River Road ? Cincinnati, OH 45233 > (513) 251-2911 ? Fax: (513) 251-7004 * Email: mike@kahny.com > ================================================= > > > On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Scott Finke wrote: > > I have several customers not receiving my attachments. > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Tue Aug 19 16:15:59 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Harkins) Date: Tue Aug 19 16:16:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Software Key for Rip-It Message-ID: Hi all, The key that plugs into the back of our PC that runs the Rip-It software has gone missing. We have no idea when. Xante claims that there is no way the software would run without the key, but we think our computer guy did something when we got a new PC about 3 years ago that made it work without it. Since then we have had the hard drive replaced (about a year ago) and changed out the table under the PC. Don't remember seeing the "key" during our clean-up of that room. Been making plates right along and then yesterday morning it woke up and said the key was missing. There is no one here who would have taken it or even known to take it. Replacement is $13,520. Does anyone have any experience with their insurance covering this type of loss? I can't make heads or tails of the policy and my agent is in a meeting. Our policy is with The Hartford and is a very comprehensive package for the printing industry. I realize everybody's policy is different - just wondering if anyone has had a similar experience and success with their insurance company. Needless to say we are dead in the water for offset without it. Thanks so much, Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From prtquick at eos.net Tue Aug 19 17:34:05 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Tue Aug 19 17:29:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mac Mail - Trouble sending attachments? In-Reply-To: References: <48A9C8F6.8050300@fmtc.com> <200808182014.m7IKEPw7033666@i2bnetworks.com> <07B1BD06-435A-4E3D-B3BB-4C73564F4DDF@eos.net> <7bb924c10808190516o3a7d6c54p7034a410552a5300@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29E3DA50-BD16-4CFC-9218-693E34B114EB@eos.net> Thanks for all the advice! Switching back to plain text seems to have solved it. (I already was sending 'windows-friendly' attachments) Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - On Aug 19, 2008, at 4:14 PM, Greg Weinfurter wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Try this. > > Edit>Attachments>Send Windows Friendly Attachments. > > This resolved many of our problems. > > Greg > > On Aug 19, 2008, at 7:16 AM, Michael Kahny wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Scott, >> We have a couple customers with that problem as well. >> >> Try sending the emails to them using "plain text" only. I seems >> that If you >> use the "rich text" format the attachment can get embedded in the >> email. It >> will still get to them but their email program will probably >> filter the >> attachment out when viewing. The funny thing was one customer >> would reply >> back that they didn't get the attachment and the attachment was >> right there >> in their reply email. Problem was obviously on their end but that is >> small consolation when trying to do business with them. >> >> - Mike >> >> ============= >> Michael T. Kahny >> Kahny Printing, Inc. ? 4766 River Road ? Cincinnati, OH 45233 >> (513) 251-2911 ? Fax: (513) 251-7004 * Email: mike@kahny.com >> ================================================= >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Scott Finke >> wrote: >> >> I have several customers not receiving my attachments. >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From eupinc at aol.com Tue Aug 19 17:57:48 2008 From: eupinc at aol.com (eupinc@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 19 17:58:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] The Speedy Line In-Reply-To: <29E3DA50-BD16-4CFC-9218-693E34B114EB@eos.net> References: <48A9C8F6.8050300@fmtc.com> <200808182014.m7IKEPw7033666@i2bnetworks.com> <07B1BD06-435A-4E3D-B3BB-4C73564F4DDF@eos.net> <7bb924c10808190516o3a7d6c54p7034a410552a5300@mail.gmail.com> <29E3DA50-BD16-4CFC-9218-693E34B114EB@eos.net> Message-ID: <8CAD05DC0B42415-8B8-C63@WEBMAIL-DG08.sim.aol.com> Does anyone have the phone , fax or e mail address to The Speedy Line. It is a specialty company for pens , mugs ?? Dave Clement EUP - Porath Print Source 19236 DETROIT ROAD ROCKY RIVER, OHIO 44116 PHONE: 440.333.6484 FAX: 440.333.1182 www.porathprintsource.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Finke To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 5:34 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Mac Mail - Trouble sending attachments? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Thanks for all the advice!? Switching back to plain text seems to have solved it.? (I already was sending 'windows-friendly' attachments)? ? ? Scott Finke? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -? Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc.? 8630 Winton Road? Cincinnati, Ohio 45231? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -? Phone: (513) 522.2679? Fax (513) 522.2692? Email: info@brentwood-printing.com? www.Brentwood-Printing.com? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -? ? ? On Aug 19, 2008, at 4:14 PM, Greg Weinfurter wrote:? ? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > Try this.? >? > Edit>Attachments>Send Windows Friendly Attachments.? >? > This resolved many of our problems.? >? > Greg? >? > On Aug 19, 2008, at 7:16 AM, Michael Kahny wrote:? >? >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >>? >> Scott,? >> We have a couple customers with that problem as well.? >>? >> Try sending the emails to them using "plain text" only. I seems >> that If you? >> use the "rich text" format the attachment can get embedded in the >> email. It? >> will still get to them but their email program will probably >> filter the? >> attachment out when viewing. The funny thing was one customer >> would reply? >> back that they didn't get the attachment and the attachment was >> right there? >> in their reply email. Problem was obviously on their end but that is? >> small consolation when trying to do business with them.? >>? >> - Mike? >>? >> =============? >> Michael T. Kahny? >> Kahny Printing, Inc. ? 4766 River Road ? Cincinnati, OH 45233? >> (513) 251-2911 ? Fax: (513) 251-7004 * Email: mike@kahny.com? >> =================================================? >>? >>? >> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Scott Finke >> wrote:? >>? >> I have several customers not receiving my attachments.? >> _______________________________________________? >> PrintOwners Discussion List? >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >>? >>? >> -->> This message has been scanned for viruses and? >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is? >> believed to be clean.? >>? >? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 18:04:57 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Aug 19 18:05:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] The Speedy Line In-Reply-To: <8CAD05DC0B42415-8B8-C63@WEBMAIL-DG08.sim.aol.com> References: <48A9C8F6.8050300@fmtc.com> <200808182014.m7IKEPw7033666@i2bnetworks.com> <07B1BD06-435A-4E3D-B3BB-4C73564F4DDF@eos.net> <7bb924c10808190516o3a7d6c54p7034a410552a5300@mail.gmail.com> <29E3DA50-BD16-4CFC-9218-693E34B114EB@eos.net> <8CAD05DC0B42415-8B8-C63@WEBMAIL-DG08.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0808191504x7aeaeffq80b9a0f32bf1c09d@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 5:57 PM, wrote: > > Does anyone have the phone , fax or e mail address to The Speedy Line. It is a specialty company for pens , mugs ?? Phone is 800-872-5329; fax is 954-928-0596. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Sir Francis Bacon From priorityprinting at comcast.net Tue Aug 19 18:16:29 2008 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Tue Aug 19 18:16:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Spiral Binding Pricing Message-ID: <081920082216.21761.48AB463D000D6E460000550122058860140902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Would like to hear from others regarding my spiral binding pricing. I am wondering if I am too low. <80 sheets $1.35 each 81-130 sheets $1.60 each 131+ sheets $1.85 each Thanks. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 810 487-1700 From jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com Tue Aug 19 18:39:10 2008 From: jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com (Jim Quinn) Date: Tue Aug 19 18:41:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Spiral Binding Pricing In-Reply-To: <081920082216.21761.48AB463D000D6E460000550122058860140902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: We do $ .01 per sheet for punching + $1.25 for the coil. Jim Quinn Sir Speedy 4043 15323 Midway Road Addison, TX 75001 Phone 972-788-4266 Fax 972-788-2367 jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of priorityprinting@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:16 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Spiral Binding Pricing ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Would like to hear from others regarding my spiral binding pricing. I am wondering if I am too low. <80 sheets $1.35 each 81-130 sheets $1.60 each 131+ sheets $1.85 each Thanks. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 810 487-1700 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From championprinting at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 20:28:38 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Tue Aug 19 20:28:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM650 or 6500 with Harlequin Rip Message-ID: <193067.59919.qm@web38305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No such thing according to the KMBS website http://kmbs.konicaminolta.us/content/products/models/bizhubPROC6500.html?info=Accessories Creo & Fiery appear to be the *only* choices. ?Ted Gelletly Allegra Print & Imaging (formerly Champion Printing) 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@allegraeldersburg.com ----- Original Message ---- From: John Cassidy To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:26:10 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] KM650 or 6500 with Harlequin Rip ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Anyone familiar with the Harlequin Rip for this equipment Duplicates INK John Cassidy 843-248-2574 Conway SC www.duplicatesink.com john@duplicatesink.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Aug 19 20:45:25 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Aug 19 20:47:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Software Key for Rip-It In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200808200047.m7K0lAED090465@i2bnetworks.com> If Ripit pisses you off enough, Dee will hack one for you. http://tinyurl.com/599ftj If you want to go there...... I wasn't here. I know Nothing.....NOTHING!!! s. At 01:15 PM 8/19/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Hi all, > >The key that plugs into the back of our PC that runs the Rip-It software has >gone missing. We have no idea when. Xante claims that there is no way the >software would run without the key, but we think our computer guy did >something when we got a new PC about 3 years ago that made it work without >it. Since then we have had the hard drive replaced (about a year ago) and >changed out the table under the PC. Don't remember seeing the "key" during >our clean-up of that room. Been making plates right along and then yesterday >morning it woke up and said the key was missing. There is no one here who >would have taken it or even known to take it. Replacement is $13,520. > >Does anyone have any experience with their insurance covering this type of >loss? I can't make heads or tails of the policy and my agent is in a >meeting. Our policy is with The Hartford and is a very comprehensive package >for the printing industry. > >I realize everybody's policy is different - just wondering if anyone has had >a similar experience and success with their insurance company. Needless to >say we are dead in the water for offset without it. > >Thanks so much, > >Cyndy >-- >Cyndy Wendt Harkins >President >Pioneer Printing, Inc. >3133 S. 7th., Suite D >Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 >cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com > >402.483.7575 > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3369 (20080819) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Aug 19 20:46:32 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Aug 19 20:48:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM650 or 6500 with Harlequin Rip In-Reply-To: <20080819192858.790F623311F@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <803525.47890.qm@web38304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080819192858.790F623311F@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <200808200048.m7K0mHBX090618@i2bnetworks.com> Uh no. cause it don't exist. S. At 12:26 PM 8/19/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Anyone familiar with the Harlequin Rip for this equipment > >Duplicates INK >John Cassidy >843-248-2574 >Conway SC >www.duplicatesink.com >john@duplicatesink.com > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3369 (20080819) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From k_graham at hotmail.com Tue Aug 19 21:17:01 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Tue Aug 19 21:17:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Software Key for Rip-It References: Message-ID: Hi Cyndy; Any chance its a case of mistaken identity, my key from old Ripit p450 which I moved to a new computer a couple years ago was on the parallel port. Now I believe Ripit uses USB keys. Which is yours, if parallel could you have changed or bumped the cable in the last day? Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com Dawson Creek BC 250-782-7108 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyndy Harkins" To: "PrintOwners List" Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 1:15 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Software Key for Rip-It > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi all, > > The key that plugs into the back of our PC that runs the Rip-It software > has > gone missing. We have no idea when. Xante claims that there is no way the > software would run without the key, but we think our computer guy did > something when we got a new PC about 3 years ago that made it work without > it. Since then we have had the hard drive replaced (about a year ago) and > changed out the table under the PC. Don't remember seeing the "key" during > our clean-up of that room. Been making plates right along and then > yesterday > morning it woke up and said the key was missing. There is no one here who > would have taken it or even known to take it. Replacement is $13,520. > > Does anyone have any experience with their insurance covering this type of > loss? I can't make heads or tails of the policy and my agent is in a > meeting. Our policy is with The Hartford and is a very comprehensive > package > for the printing industry. > > I realize everybody's policy is different - just wondering if anyone has > had > a similar experience and success with their insurance company. Needless to > say we are dead in the water for offset without it. > > Thanks so much, > > Cyndy > -- > Cyndy Wendt Harkins > President > Pioneer Printing, Inc. > 3133 S. 7th., Suite D > Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 > cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com > > 402.483.7575 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From john at duplicatesink.com Tue Aug 19 21:40:24 2008 From: john at duplicatesink.com (John Cassidy) Date: Tue Aug 19 21:43:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM650 or 6500 with Harlequin Rip In-Reply-To: <200808200048.m7K0mHBX090618@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20080820014311.EA6D311B17F4@relay12.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> We did not think so either. However we spoke with the sales manager from KMBS and we have a written proposal specifying a Harlequin Rip. KMBS explained today on the phone that the package through XPEDX will soon replace the Harlequin Rip with the CREO. Additionally we spoke with a printing firm in the upstate that has this configuration so "It does exist" This gentleman explains that he loves it. However I wanted more than one testimonial to it. Thanks for everyone's input. Warmest Regards, John Cassidy www.duplicatesink.com Print & Communications If you always do what you have always done, you will ALWAYS get what you have ALWAYS got! Try some new creative marketing ideas. Give us a call to discuss your next direct mail marketing project. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:47 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] KM650 or 6500 with Harlequin Rip ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Uh no. cause it don't exist. S. At 12:26 PM 8/19/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Anyone familiar with the Harlequin Rip for this equipment > >Duplicates INK >John Cassidy >843-248-2574 >Conway SC >www.duplicatesink.com >john@duplicatesink.com > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3369 (20080819) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From championprinting at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 21:56:12 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Tue Aug 19 21:56:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM650 or 6500 with Harlequin Rip Message-ID: <532448.82536.qm@web38304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I strongly believe you must be dealing with KMGI, not KMBS. Xpedx represents KMGI in this region and the KMGI rep would only concede that the rip used with their version is proprietary. The machine nomenclature is LD-6500. Does any of this ring a bell? ?Ted Gelletly Allegra Print & Imaging (formerly Champion Printing) 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@allegraeldersburg.com ----- Original Message ---- From: John Cassidy To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:40:24 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] KM650 or 6500 with Harlequin Rip ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We did not think so either.? However we spoke with the sales manager from KMBS and we have a written proposal specifying a Harlequin Rip. KMBS explained today on the phone that the package through XPEDX will soon replace the Harlequin Rip with the CREO.? Additionally we spoke with a printing firm in the upstate that has this configuration so "It does exist" This gentleman explains that he loves it.? However I wanted more than one testimonial to it.? Thanks for everyone's input. Warmest Regards, John Cassidy www.duplicatesink.com ? ? ? ? ? Print & Communications If you always do what you have always done, you will ALWAYS get what you have ALWAYS got!? Try some new creative marketing ideas. Give us a call to discuss your next direct mail marketing project. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:47 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] KM650 or 6500 with Harlequin Rip ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message