From ron at printingconcepts.com Tue Apr 1 08:28:03 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Tue Apr 1 07:21:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Operating Ratio Study Message-ID: John is absolutely correct about running a business by comparing yourself to the ratio studies. I can't myself figure out why it took me so long to come to this conclusion. We use the PIA numbers for commercial printers. When you buy something the chief mechanism you use is comparison. When you are studying your own financials, what real good are they if you don't have a benchmark for comparision? One of the most profitable members of a peer group I am in slavishly compares themselves to the PIA ratios. Also know of a guy who was using the ratios and noticed they were spending considerably more on plates than the average printer. He looked into it and discovered one of his employees was selling the plates out the back door. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From ron at printingconcepts.com Tue Apr 1 08:28:03 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Tue Apr 1 07:21:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need help with number$ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you think you can make money in this day and age with a Chief 25, then you need help assessing equipment as well as wages. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 8:54 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Need help with number$ ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 3/31/2008 8:37:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jim.farley@gmail.com writes: To spend 225 dollars in order to obtain the benefit I am looking for, i.e., a simple piece of advice, is a bit out of reach for me at present. I haven't built the business up to the point where I can pay myself a decent wage yet, let alone hire anyone. Of course this is not to take away from the great value to be had in said report. I appreciate your quick answer and valuable consideration! Jim, A dollar more per hour than is absolutely necessary for one employee is equivalent to $2,040 and when you add fringes it is probably closer to $2,400. On the other hand, to pay say a dollar more than what might be considered the going rate might attract one of those rare superstars who can pay for a study like that in about 2-3 hours of above average input and labor. Do not take this personally, but I have run into the same kind of reasoning when trying to convince people of the importance of the biennial Operating Ratio Study. I have known people who would neither participate in and get it for free or buy it for say $225 and yet had they done either would be tens of thousands of dollars ahead each year (and I guarantee that) in what they take out of the business. You either pay for it now or you pay dearly later. Participating in studies or purchasing them later is simply a wise cost of business and a necessary small investment. The simple piece of advice you are looking for costs NAQP and its collective membership more than $25,000 every other year or so to survey, gather, collect, analyze and disseminate to those who are interested. Enough said, and once again do not take this personally. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt and myself. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom0 0030000000001) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Tue Apr 1 09:30:02 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Tue Apr 1 08:30:11 2008 Subject: Now restarting in business Re: [PrintOwners] Need help with number$ In-Reply-To: <20080401122146.DED29EAB612@rb.enter.net> References: <20080401122146.DED29EAB612@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <001601c89404$df579c60$9e06d520$@com> Jim not to be mean, but I do not see much of a chance of making anything more than a small working salary today, in the set up you outlined. I am rural and today with the internet and every major regional printer have far better sales efforts running out of date equipment from a barn is not a winning a plan. I do wish you well, but I think the age of low overhead and low cost employees is over. The overseas printers along with the internet gang runners will beat you every time. So here is what I would propose. If anyone of us had to restart how would we do it? First some ground rules. You have to be in Jim's barn, you can only spend/borrow $100,000 + a color copier lease. How many people would you hire and in what positions? My quick list 3 computers 1 mac and 2 pc. $6,000 PrintersPlan $4000 BW Canon 8500/105 used $5000-8000 Used Folder floor model with quick sets $5000 Challenge 305 used $4000 Other small bindery stuff $5000 Collator booklet maker good used air feed $22,000 Used 3302 or PM 46 $24,000 CTP used image setter $10,000 Used Chief $500??? Free??? Plate burner and processors $2000 Used mailing equipment and Accuzip $10,000 Website $1000 Join NAQP $500 Join Adobe ASN $600 I would hire only 2 people a CSR designer ($12-14) and press/bindery person ($12-15). Then I would sell my ass off and hope to grow. You will have a payment of about $2000 a month for 5 years on the above. Then pick a color printer and your giving it your best shot. Now stop and read the below 2, 3 times or more, this is more important than buying all the above... What not to do; hire people full time before you absolutely need them. Start with NO website and NO computer pricing program. Have NO 12 month marketing plan and system. Have NO sales system, follow up or written plan. Have No written business plan. Not getting the pricing, wage and operations studies. Not reading How to Sell at Margins Higher Than Your Competitors by Steinmetz. You have time to make this start right now on the right track. By not spending on the things above your only handicapping yourself. This industry is changing so fast. You most likely will need about $50,000 additional dollars for cash flow. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.2/1353 - Release Date: 3/31/2008 6:21 PM From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 08:51:42 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Apr 1 08:51:49 2008 Subject: Now restarting in business Re: [PrintOwners] Need help with number$ In-Reply-To: <001601c89404$df579c60$9e06d520$@com> References: <20080401122146.DED29EAB612@rb.enter.net> <001601c89404$df579c60$9e06d520$@com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0804010651l50c392b3h4f16e2e6df6408f4@mail.gmail.com> This help just in from WhatTheyThink.com today: *New "PrintingForMore.com" Website Solves Industry Problem of Cut-throat Pricing* Alto Precio, Arizona -- April 1, 2008 ? A quiet industrial park outside Phoenix, Arizona, hosts a new venture in the printing industry, reminding one of the Internet boom nearly a decade ago. Started by two entrepreneurs, Stan and Yosh Shmenge , who made their fortune in the entertainment industry many years ago, the new business solves a serious problem that has plagued the printing industry since Johann Gutenberg: prices too low to allow owners to make enough money to stay in business. "For years we're heard from our friends in the printing business that they had trouble making money, so they could not afford our albums or to come to our concerts," says Stan Shmenge, whose wistful eyes hide the mind of a calculating investor. Yosh interrupts "So we came up with the idea that they should just charge higher prices." And with that, a new business was born. When asked why their shop floor was so quiet, Stan replied "We put up a web site with a picture of our building and our cars parked in front, and our phone number. We also made a list of our equipment, especially our Heidelberg Windmill letterpress we got as a gift from one of our close friends in the old country." Yosh sighed at the thought of his native Leutonia. "We have the Linotype from our country's monthly newspaper, the Leutonia World Guardian Herald Times and Ledger (the name was the result of a product of a consolidating newspaper industry in Leutonia). The newspaper was was published every eleven days, so it's still like new! With good, reliable, and tested equipment like this, you have to charge more, and people need to pay it." Stan still had not answered the question. "Don't worry, people will realize what good printers we are, and they will come, just like they did at our shows." Until, then, there's always accordion music in the background, and a fresh serving of cabbage rolls and coffee waiting for them in the cafeteria. ---- HTH -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ========================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From jim.farley at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 11:36:30 2008 From: jim.farley at gmail.com (James) Date: Tue Apr 1 11:36:39 2008 Subject: Now restarting in business Re: [PrintOwners] Need help with number$ In-Reply-To: <001601c89404$df579c60$9e06d520$@com> References: <20080401122146.DED29EAB612@rb.enter.net> <001601c89404$df579c60$9e06d520$@com> Message-ID: I am overwhelmed by the response my question has gotten, both on- and off-list. I want to express my thanks for everyone who even took a minute to *think* about my question, as this added to the collective unconscious which some members were obviously tapping into. (yeah i am one of those). Thank You All. Jim On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:30 AM, John Henry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Jim not to be mean, but I do not see much of a chance of making anything > more than a small working salary today, in the set up you outlined. I am > rural and today with the internet and every major regional printer have > far > better sales efforts running out of date equipment from a barn is not a > winning a plan. > > I do wish you well, but I think the age of low overhead and low cost > employees is over. The overseas printers along with the internet gang > runners will beat you every time. > > So here is what I would propose. If anyone of us had to restart how would > we > do it? > > First some ground rules. You have to be in Jim's barn, you can only > spend/borrow $100,000 + a color copier lease. How many people would you > hire and in what positions? > > My quick list > > 3 computers 1 mac and 2 pc. $6,000 > PrintersPlan $4000 > > BW Canon 8500/105 used $5000-8000 > Used Folder floor model with quick sets $5000 > Challenge 305 used $4000 > Other small bindery stuff $5000 > Collator booklet maker good used air feed $22,000 > Used 3302 or PM 46 $24,000 > CTP used image setter $10,000 > Used Chief $500??? Free??? > Plate burner and processors $2000 > Used mailing equipment and Accuzip $10,000 > Website $1000 > Join NAQP $500 > Join Adobe ASN $600 > > > I would hire only 2 people a CSR designer ($12-14) and press/bindery > person > ($12-15). Then I would sell my ass off and hope to grow. You will have a > payment of about $2000 a month for 5 years on the above. > > Then pick a color printer and your giving it your best shot. > > Now stop and read the below 2, 3 times or more, this is more important > than > buying all the above... > > What not to do; hire people full time before you absolutely need them. > Start > with NO website and NO computer pricing program. Have NO 12 month > marketing > plan and system. Have NO sales system, follow up or written plan. Have No > written business plan. Not getting the pricing, wage and operations > studies. > Not reading How to Sell at Margins Higher Than Your Competitors by > Steinmetz. > > You have time to make this start right now on the right track. By not > spending on the things above your only handicapping yourself. This > industry > is changing so fast. > > You most likely will need about $50,000 additional dollars for cash flow. > > > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > 125-129 East First Street > Oswego, New York 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 Fax > www.mpcny.com > John@mpcny.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.2/1353 - Release Date: 3/31/2008 > 6:21 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Tue Apr 1 12:01:28 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Tue Apr 1 12:02:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Stu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008d01c8941a$07b6a510$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Stu Are you slipping? Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc Toronto From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue Apr 1 12:22:32 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Tue Apr 1 12:22:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Stu In-Reply-To: <008d01c8941a$07b6a510$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> References: <008d01c8941a$07b6a510$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: <00cd01c8941c$f8745db0$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Since he is retired, he is probably fishing or sleeping Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Fax: 316-854-0321 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gordon Watt Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 12:01 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Stu ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Stu Are you slipping? Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc Toronto _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2992 (20080401) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Apr 1 12:25:26 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Apr 1 12:26:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Stu In-Reply-To: <008d01c8941a$07b6a510$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> References: <008d01c8941a$07b6a510$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: <200804011726.m31HQn8e001149@i2bnetworks.com> Looks like Michael's now got the torch... S. At 10:01 AM 4/1/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >Stu > >Are you slipping? > >Gordon Watt >Xoxo Cyberprint Inc >Toronto > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2992 (20080401) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Tue Apr 1 12:14:56 2008 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Tue Apr 1 12:30:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Health Insurance Premiums Message-ID: <000801c8941b$e9ecfeb0$042967d3@kp4> Good Afternoon, It is becoming evident that Paragon will no longer be able to afford health insurance coverage for its employees. We cover 4 of the 6 with a 50/50 contribution. Do any of you give cash to your employees to purchase their own and how do you make the determination of what to give them? Thank you.............Linda Linda Baribeau Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. 2041 West Mill Road Glendale, WI 53209 Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 From brian at designotype.com Tue Apr 1 12:51:46 2008 From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen) Date: Tue Apr 1 12:51:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Health Insurance Premiums References: <000801c8941b$e9ecfeb0$042967d3@kp4> Message-ID: <011601c89421$0edec050$6a01a8c0@brianspc> I'm not sure of the legality of this, but when we discontinued paying for insurance, we raised the hourly wage so that they could "afford" to purchase themselves if they wanted to. That's why I think our wages are a little higher that the average. Their wage increase was equal to the cost of the insurance. Of course when you do this, the increase in wages raises the amount that you AND the employee pay to the government because it is no longer a deductible business expense. At least you get out of the astronomical increases from the insurance companies. I think that if you have many employees covered, there will be some who will be looking for another job, and others that will be happy to get a substantial wage increase. Brian Helminen Designotype Printers, Inc. 22950 Airpark Blvd. Calumet, MI 49913 906-482-2424 Fax 906-482-2266 www.designotype.com ----- Original Message ----- It is becoming evident that Paragon will no longer be able to afford health insurance coverage for its employees. We cover 4 of the 6 with a 50/50 contribution. Do any of you give cash to your employees to purchase their own and how do you make the determination of what to give them? From Michael at wolfiesprint.com Tue Apr 1 13:23:07 2008 From: Michael at wolfiesprint.com (Michael Wolf) Date: Tue Apr 1 13:23:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Health Insurance Premiums -H.S.A. PLAN - SAVED OURSELVES $1000.00/MONTH In-Reply-To: <82F402FE-DF19-48D4-84F1-03166CEE4240@pressexpress.org> References: <000801c8941b$e9ecfeb0$042967d3@kp4> <82F402FE-DF19-48D4-84F1-03166CEE4240@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: <008701c89425$6f072860$4d157920$@com> WE WERE FACED WITH THE SAME DILEMMA - WE CHANGED OUR PLAN TO A H.S.A. PLAN - SAVED OURSELVES $1000.00/MONTH PLUS WE CONTRIBUTE $100.00/MONTH PER EMPLOYEE INTO THE "HAS" AND STILL SAVE $1000 PER MONTH WE HAVE 6 EMPLOYEES - NOW THEY ARE IN MORE CONTROL OF THEIR HEALTH CARE - AND ARE LESS LIKELY TO CLAIM AS THE ROLL OVER INTO AN IRA IS ATTRACTIVE! - (Can't do it after you turn 65 years old however!) TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THIS IT MAY BE AN ANSWER FOR YOU? THANKS sincerely Michael Wolf THE WOLF PRINTING COMPANY email: michael@wolfiesprint.com Tel: 714.491.0500 Fax: 714.491.7276 1320 WEST SANTA ANA STREET (Just minutes from the Anaheim Convention Center) ANAHEIM, CA 92082 On-Line ordering at WWW.WOLFIESPRINT.COM PRINT - DESIGN - COPY - LABELS - STAMPS - WIDE FORMAT POSTERS & BANNERS PERSONAL SERVICE - PERSONAL SERVICE - PERSONAL SERVICE - PERSONAL SERVICE __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2992 (20080401) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From slb at inkspot.net Tue Apr 1 14:41:22 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Apr 1 13:41:35 2008 Subject: Now restarting in business Re: [PrintOwners] Need help with number$ In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0804010651l50c392b3h4f16e2e6df6408f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080401122146.DED29EAB612@rb.enter.net>, <001601c89404$df579c60$9e06d520$@com>, <98f5b19a0804010651l50c392b3h4f16e2e6df6408f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F24992.17476.2C3DFDC3@slb.inkspot.net> Nice to see that someone has at least given thought to taking up Stu's mantle. Steve This help just in from WhatTheyThink.com today: *New "PrintingForMore.com" Website Solves Industry Problem of Cut- throat Pricing* Alto Precio, Arizona -- April 1, 2008 - A quiet industrial park outside Phoenix, Arizona, hosts a new venture in the printing industry, reminding one of the Internet boom nearly a decade ago. Started by two entrepreneurs, Stan and Yosh Shmenge , who made their fortune in the entertainment industry many years ago, the new business solves a serious problem that has plagued the printing industry since Johann Gutenberg: prices too low to allow owners to make enough money to stay in business. "For years we're heard from our friends in the printing business that they had trouble making money, so they could not afford our albums or to come to our concerts," says Stan Shmenge, whose wistful eyes hide the mind of a calculating investor. Yosh interrupts "So we came up with the idea that they should just charge higher prices." And with that, a new business was born. When asked why their shop floor was so quiet, Stan replied "We put up a web site with a picture of our building and our cars parked in front, and our phone number. We also made a list of our equipment, especially our Heidelberg Windmill letterpress we got as a gift from one of our close friends in the old country." Yosh sighed at the thought of his native Leutonia. "We have the Linotype from our country's monthly newspaper, the Leutonia World Guardian Herald Times and Ledger (the name was the result of a product of a consolidating newspaper industry in Leutonia). The newspaper was was published every eleven days, so it's still like new! With good, reliable, and tested equipment like this, you have to charge more, and people need to pay it." Stan still had not answered the question. "Don't worry, people will realize what good printers we are, and they will come, just like they did at our shows." Until, then, there's always accordion music in the background, and a fresh serving of cabbage rolls and coffee waiting for them in the cafeteria. ---- HTH -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ========================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2992 (20080401) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From david at commercialpressink.com Tue Apr 1 14:03:40 2008 From: david at commercialpressink.com (David Charleson) Date: Tue Apr 1 13:56:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Scoring Message-ID: <47F2870C.4050004@commercialpressink.com> Just FYI. I just installed an IGI Perf and Score attachment for my little AB Dick 8810 and scored some 11 x 17 100# C2S gloss cover that was done 4/4 on my Xerox 252 and had virtually NO cracking when i folded the sheet, for less than $200 i think i have found a reasonable way to score my digital jobs! It does lay down a very nice crease in the stock David Charleson Commercial Press Inc. 216 Cowan Rd Canton NY 13617 P 315-386-3431 david@commercialpressink.com www.commercialpressink.com From jgross at techiowa.com Tue Apr 1 14:00:56 2008 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Tue Apr 1 14:01:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Health Insurance Premiums In-Reply-To: <011601c89421$0edec050$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Message-ID: <006c01c8942a$b7820d30$1e00000a@tech.local> Rather than an increase in pay and the taxes that go with that, consider a "cafeteria" type of plan where you give an allowance that they can use for insurance, dental, glasses etc. This is pretax $$ just like before. Note new email address: jagross@techiowa.com John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc Iowa City, Iowa 52240 techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brian Helminen Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 12:52 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Health Insurance Premiums ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I'm not sure of the legality of this, but when we discontinued paying for insurance, we raised the hourly wage so that they could "afford" to purchase themselves if they wanted to. That's why I think our wages are a little higher that the average. Their wage increase was equal to the cost of the insurance. Of course when you do this, the increase in wages raises the amount that you AND the employee pay to the government because it is no longer a deductible business expense. At least you get out of the astronomical increases from the insurance companies. I think that if you have many employees covered, there will be some who will be looking for another job, and others that will be happy to get a substantial wage increase. Brian Helminen Designotype Printers, Inc. 22950 Airpark Blvd. Calumet, MI 49913 906-482-2424 Fax 906-482-2266 www.designotype.com ----- Original Message ----- It is becoming evident that Paragon will no longer be able to afford health insurance coverage for its employees. We cover 4 of the 6 with a 50/50 contribution. Do any of you give cash to your employees to purchase their own and how do you make the determination of what to give them? _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From scott at usacolor.com Tue Apr 1 14:18:22 2008 From: scott at usacolor.com (Scott) Date: Tue Apr 1 14:18:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Health Insurance Premiums In-Reply-To: <011601c89421$0edec050$6a01a8c0@brianspc> References: <000801c8941b$e9ecfeb0$042967d3@kp4> <011601c89421$0edec050$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Message-ID: <47F28A7E.7090306@usacolor.com> We tried this also, problem is that not every employee "remembers" what the money is for. One never got coverage but was able to afford a new motorcycle. After about 2 years he left us for lower pay but his new employee paid health insurance. Bottom line is we now start off people low wage but good health insurance....they stick around longer. Scott Balsiger President USA Color Printing, Inc. 791 Manhomen Dr Bemidji, Mn. 56601 218-759-9126 800-759-9126 218-759-2883 fax 218-556-5505 cell Brian Helminen wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'm not sure of the legality of this, but when we discontinued paying > for insurance, we raised the hourly wage so that they could "afford" > to purchase themselves if they wanted to. That's why I think our wages > are a little higher that the average. Their wage increase was equal to > the cost of the insurance. Of course when you do this, the increase in > wages raises the amount that you AND the employee pay to the > government because it is no longer a deductible business expense. At > least you get out of the astronomical increases from the insurance > companies. > I think that if you have many employees covered, there will be some > who will be looking for another job, and others that will be happy to > get a substantial wage increase. > > Brian Helminen > Designotype Printers, Inc. > 22950 Airpark Blvd. > Calumet, MI 49913 > 906-482-2424 > Fax 906-482-2266 > www.designotype.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > It is becoming evident that Paragon will no longer be able to afford > health insurance coverage for its employees. We cover 4 of the 6 with > a 50/50 contribution. Do any of you give cash to your employees to > purchase their own and how do you make the determination of what to > give them? > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From printian at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 14:32:48 2008 From: printian at gmail.com (Ian Franks) Date: Tue Apr 1 14:32:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Why don't you have a Blog? In-Reply-To: <000201c89365$2f3fcef0$8dbf6cd0$@com> References: <000101c89358$234d9030$69e8b090$@com> <000201c89365$2f3fcef0$8dbf6cd0$@com> Message-ID: Ok I just installed a tracker package on my blog I got 40 hits yesterday. One hit a month with a sale of substance and it is worthwhile. -- Regards Ian Franks Print Image 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo Johannesburg, South Africa Ph 011 447 3133 Fax 011 447 0642 sales@printimage.co.za www.printimage.co.za From inkspotpress at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 14:56:15 2008 From: inkspotpress at gmail.com (Peggi Price) Date: Tue Apr 1 14:56:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Health Insurance Premiums In-Reply-To: <011601c89421$0edec050$6a01a8c0@brianspc> References: <000801c8941b$e9ecfeb0$042967d3@kp4> <011601c89421$0edec050$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Message-ID: <9885f8c0804011256r35fa4f19q13d8a675a1c58e16@mail.gmail.com> We also no longer offer health insurance. Haven't for about a year and a half. It caused one employee to retire early. He was our camera person and his job was becoming obsolete anyway but he was hanging on and we were using him in the bindery. Without health insurance he saw the writing on the wall and decided early retirement would work for him. We didn't lose any other employees but it has made it difficult to find new hires. Anyone looking to improve their careers is looking for health insurance. We are only able to hire the unemployed or people working somewhere else without coverage. Over the course of time (26 years) we have gone from being a business offering the best insurance possible, to HMO coverage (still pretty good), to coverage with a small deductible and a co-pay after the deductible is met (an employee with appendicitis and a new baby all in the same year ended up having to declare bankruptcy), to a high deductible plan that we tried to conteract by covering the first $500 of the deductible, to where we are right now - no insurance at all. Someone on this list gave me information while back on offering a health reimbursement plan instead of health insurance and that is still in the back of my mind. Under that plan we would reimburse employees for medical expenses including insurance premiums that they are paying themselves up to a certain dollar amount per month. My understanding is that this would still be tax deductible for us. The state of Vermont instituted a new health plan this year in an attempt to get to universal coverage which includes a fee to be paid by employers, for each employee that does not have health insurance. We are exempt for now because we have less than 8 employees but the exemption goes down to only 4 employees eventually and a health reimbursement plan will not meet the health insurance requirement. And even if we offered health insurance, if our employees decide they can't afford the health plan we offer and opt out, they are counted as not having insurance. So, eventually we will be in a position where we are assessed some fees for "state health care contribution" no matter what we do. And our employees do not qualified for the state subsidized plan because they make too much. Peggi Price Inkspot Press 4995 Main St. Manchester Center, VT 05255 and 736 Main St. Bennington, VT 05201 inkspotpress@gmail.com From bherion at bucksdigital.com Tue Apr 1 15:03:06 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Tue Apr 1 15:03:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] die cutter Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080401155642.033b1800@bucksdigital.com> I've been on the prowl for a die cutter that would fit into my fast paced digital world. I came across this: http://www.magnacutter.com/ Has anyone ever seen this before in the US? I've emailed the company, but so far no response (OK, so its only been one day). Anyway, looking for info on this machine or anything that would be similar. As always, thank you in advance of your input. Bob Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From brianoday at eprint.us Tue Apr 1 15:19:44 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Tue Apr 1 15:22:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] die cutter In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080401155642.033b1800@bucksdigital.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080401155642.033b1800@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <00bb01c89435$b9dbdab0$800101df@eprint.local> Saw this at Graphexpo last year. If I remember correctly the dies are expensive but it seemed to be a very productive machine. Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Herion Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 1:03 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] die cutter ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I've been on the prowl for a die cutter that would fit into my fast paced digital world. I came across this: http://www.magnacutter.com/ Has anyone ever seen this before in the US? I've emailed the company, but so far no response (OK, so its only been one day). Anyway, looking for info on this machine or anything that would be similar. As always, thank you in advance of your input. Bob Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 1 16:12:52 2008 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Tue Apr 1 16:11:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Health Insurance Premiums References: <000801c8941b$e9ecfeb0$042967d3@kp4> <011601c89421$0edec050$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Message-ID: <003601c8943d$260bc2c0$0301a8c0@Leah> Years ago, when I had a shop large enough to have group insurance, we started out with a 50/50 contribution. Then as each pay raise came along I absorbed a portion of the employee's 50% premium. Eventually I paid full coverage and the employee realized a raise and avoided after tax payments for their share of the premium. My overall expense did not increase because I would have paid the raise anyway. Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Helminen" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Health Insurance Premiums > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'm not sure of the legality of this, but when we discontinued paying for > insurance, we raised the hourly wage so that they could "afford" to > purchase themselves if they wanted to. That's why I think our wages are a > little higher that the average. Their wage increase was equal to the cost > of the insurance. Of course when you do this, the increase in wages raises > the amount that you AND the employee pay to the government because it is > no longer a deductible business expense. At least you get out of the > astronomical increases from the insurance companies. > I think that if you have many employees covered, there will be some who > will be looking for another job, and others that will be happy to get a > substantial wage increase. > > Brian Helminen > Designotype Printers, Inc. > 22950 Airpark Blvd. > Calumet, MI 49913 > 906-482-2424 > Fax 906-482-2266 > www.designotype.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > It is becoming evident that Paragon will no longer be able to afford > health insurance coverage for its employees. We cover 4 of the 6 with a > 50/50 contribution. Do any of you give cash to your employees to purchase > their own and how do you make the determination of what to give them? > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.3/1354 - Release > Date: 4/1/2008 5:38 AM > > From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Apr 1 16:27:54 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Apr 1 16:28:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Health Insurance Premiums In-Reply-To: <011601c89421$0edec050$6a01a8c0@brianspc> References: <000801c8941b$e9ecfeb0$042967d3@kp4> <011601c89421$0edec050$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Message-ID: <8CA62566178809B-D2C-965@WEBMAIL-DC19.sysops.aol.com> Maybe we should ask Michael Moore to speak?to all congressmen with all the insurance lobbyists in their back pocket to lighten up a little.? Let us share some of their wealth! Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Brian Helminen To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 1:51 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Health Insurance Premiums ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? I'm not sure of the legality of this, but when we discontinued paying for insurance, we raised the hourly wage so that they could "afford" to purchase themselves if they wanted to. That's why I think our wages are a little higher that the average. Their wage increase was equal to the cost of the insurance. Of course when you do this, the increase in wages raises the amount that you AND the employee pay to the government because it is no longer a deductible business expense. At least you get out of the astronomical increases from the insurance companies.? I think that if you have many employees covered, there will be some who will be looking for another job, and others that will be happy to get a substantial wage increase.? ? Brian Helminen? Designotype Printers, Inc.? 22950 Airpark Blvd.? Calumet, MI 49913? 906-482-2424? Fax 906-482-2266? www.designotype.com? ? ? ----- Original Message ----- ? It is becoming evident that Paragon will no longer be able to afford health insurance coverage for its employees. We cover 4 of the 6 with a 50/50 contribution. Do any of you give cash to your employees to purchase their own and how do you make the determination of what to give them?? ? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From mike at arborprinting.com Tue Apr 1 16:29:57 2008 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Tue Apr 1 16:30:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Health Insurance Premiums References: <000801c8941b$e9ecfeb0$042967d3@kp4><011601c89421$0edec050$6a01a8c0@brianspc> <8CA62566178809B-D2C-965@WEBMAIL-DC19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <01c301c8943f$88ba2450$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Take insurance benefits away from conress and the senate and it would be fixed in 60 days. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com mike@arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Melendez" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Health Insurance Premiums > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Maybe we should ask Michael Moore to speak?to all congressmen with all the > insurance lobbyists in their back pocket to lighten up a little.? Let us > share some of their wealth! > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Helminen > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Sent: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 1:51 pm > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Health Insurance Premiums > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? > ? > I'm not sure of the legality of this, but when we discontinued paying for > insurance, we raised the hourly wage so that they could "afford" to > purchase themselves if they wanted to. That's why I think our wages are a > little higher that the average. Their wage increase was equal to the cost > of the insurance. Of course when you do this, the increase in wages raises > the amount that you AND the employee pay to the government because it is > no longer a deductible business expense. At least you get out of the > astronomical increases from the insurance companies.? > I think that if you have many employees covered, there will be some who > will be looking for another job, and others that will be happy to get a > substantial wage increase.? > ? > Brian Helminen? > Designotype Printers, Inc.? > 22950 Airpark Blvd.? > Calumet, MI 49913? > 906-482-2424? > Fax 906-482-2266? > www.designotype.com? > ? > ? > ----- Original Message ----- ? > It is becoming evident that Paragon will no longer be able to afford > health insurance coverage for its employees. We cover 4 of the 6 with a > 50/50 contribution. Do any of you give cash to your employees to purchase > their own and how do you make the determination of what to give them?? > ? > ? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? > ? > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From jgross at techiowa.com Tue Apr 1 16:43:01 2008 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Tue Apr 1 16:43:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Health Insurance Premiums In-Reply-To: <01c301c8943f$88ba2450$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <00a601c89441$605027b0$1e00000a@tech.local> I just started on socialized health care today. Ask your mother or Dad if they want to give up their Medicare? Note new email address: jagross@techiowa.com John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc Iowa City, Iowa 52240 techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mike@arborprinting.com Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 4:30 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Health Insurance Premiums ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Take insurance benefits away from conress and the senate and it would be fixed in 60 days. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com mike@arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Melendez" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Health Insurance Premiums > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Maybe we should ask Michael Moore to speak?to all congressmen with all the > insurance lobbyists in their back pocket to lighten up a little.? Let us > share some of their wealth! > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Helminen > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Sent: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 1:51 pm > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Health Insurance Premiums > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? > ? > I'm not sure of the legality of this, but when we discontinued paying for > insurance, we raised the hourly wage so that they could "afford" to > purchase themselves if they wanted to. That's why I think our wages are a > little higher that the average. Their wage increase was equal to the cost > of the insurance. Of course when you do this, the increase in wages raises > the amount that you AND the employee pay to the government because it is > no longer a deductible business expense. At least you get out of the > astronomical increases from the insurance companies.? > I think that if you have many employees covered, there will be some who > will be looking for another job, and others that will be happy to get a > substantial wage increase.? > ? > Brian Helminen? > Designotype Printers, Inc.? > 22950 Airpark Blvd.? > Calumet, MI 49913? > 906-482-2424? > Fax 906-482-2266? > www.designotype.com? > ? > ? > ----- Original Message ----- ? > It is becoming evident that Paragon will no longer be able to afford > health insurance coverage for its employees. We cover 4 of the 6 with a > 50/50 contribution. Do any of you give cash to your employees to purchase > their own and how do you make the determination of what to give them?? > ? > ? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? > ? > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Tue Apr 1 17:08:19 2008 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Tue Apr 1 17:07:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] MacPro Message-ID: <009101c89444$e5e9c950$042967d3@kp4> We are currently operating with Mac G4 in graphic design and we will need to upgrade soon. Initial price seems really high. Any recommendations where to go for the best price. Linda Linda Baribeau Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. 2041 West Mill Road Glendale, WI 53209 Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 From char at themasterspress.com Tue Apr 1 17:31:52 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue Apr 1 17:31:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] MacPro In-Reply-To: <009101c89444$e5e9c950$042967d3@kp4> References: <009101c89444$e5e9c950$042967d3@kp4> Message-ID: <00b801c89448$2f304d70$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Linda, I am not an expert on Mac's but lots of people have talked about using the I-Mac so it might be an option to look at. They are pretty powerful just in themselves. Also be sure and look at the NAQP site. I think NAQP members have a discount at Apple but you have to get it thru the store with your number. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Linda Baribeau Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:08 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] MacPro ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are currently operating with Mac G4 in graphic design and we will need to upgrade soon. Initial price seems really high. Any recommendations where to go for the best price. Linda Linda Baribeau Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. 2041 West Mill Road Glendale, WI 53209 Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2993 (20080401) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2993 (20080401) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2993 (20080401) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From eugene at zapcolor.com Tue Apr 1 18:30:29 2008 From: eugene at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Tue Apr 1 18:30:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Magna Die Cutter In-Reply-To: <20080401214336.E279CEACC09@rb.enter.net> References: <20080401214336.E279CEACC09@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <2F76960F-BD3B-4B33-A3E1-354BD8E5FB0A@zapcolor.com> I found a used one $40,000 or so, the dealer knows less than nothing about it, but would be more than happy to sell it. And if the dies are expensive, you would need some real specialty stuff and/or long runs to make it work. But the concept is pretty cool if you Google it and get the brochure. On Apr 1, 2008, at 2:43 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > > Saw this at Graphexpo last year. If I remember correctly the dies are > expensive but it seemed to be a very productive machine. > > Brian O'Day > ePrint > 9970 SW Greenburg Rd > Portland, Oregon > brianoday@eprint.us > 503-684-2679 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Herion > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 1:03 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] die cutter > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I've been on the prowl for a die cutter that would fit into my fast > paced digital world. > I came across this: > http://www.magnacutter.com/ > > Has anyone ever seen this before in the US? I've emailed the company, > but so far no response (OK, so its only been one day). > Anyway, looking for info on this machine or anything that would be Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From eugene at zapcolor.com Tue Apr 1 18:52:33 2008 From: eugene at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Tue Apr 1 18:52:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Doing a mailing to ADOBE Mailing list? In-Reply-To: <20080401214336.E279CEACC09@rb.enter.net> References: <20080401214336.E279CEACC09@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Has anyone had an approved Adobe mailing in order to get their mailing list? Looking for samples we can start from. Thanks Adobe allows you to get their user list for free, to promote your services fro print/output, but we have never got around to doing it. Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Apr 1 19:42:47 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Apr 1 19:44:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] MacPro In-Reply-To: <009101c89444$e5e9c950$042967d3@kp4> References: <009101c89444$e5e9c950$042967d3@kp4> Message-ID: <200804020044.m320iAUF008100@i2bnetworks.com> A G4 is painfully slow and unproductive with current software. A Mac Pro is the best choice for productivity, an Imac a second choice depending on the nature of your work, and your current and near future workload. Like Char mentioned, best pricing you will find is through NAQP's Apple store portal. The price is fixed pretty much everywhere else you look. S. At 03:08 PM 4/1/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We are currently operating with Mac G4 in graphic design and we will >need to upgrade soon. Initial price seems really high. Any >recommendations where to go for the best price. > >Linda >Linda Baribeau >Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. >2041 West Mill Road >Glendale, WI 53209 >Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2993 (20080401) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From kellycrom at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 20:06:35 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Tue Apr 1 23:49:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] MacPro In-Reply-To: <200804020044.m320iAUF008100@i2bnetworks.com> References: <009101c89444$e5e9c950$042967d3@kp4> <200804020044.m320iAUF008100@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <008f01c8945d$cda52240$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Last year we upgraded our last 2 G4's to Quad core Mac Pros. It was an awsome switch. The system boots up very fast! We also had a G5 dual(non-Intel) that we then also upgraded to the quad core, even that computer was smoked by the Quad cores. We are extremely pleased with our Quad's, and should be very happy with them until the software and systems outgrow them(or until I may someday get a chance to play with one of the new Dual Quad's!). Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:43 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] MacPro > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > A G4 is painfully slow and unproductive with current software. > > A Mac Pro is the best choice for productivity, an Imac a second > choice depending on the nature of your work, and your current and > near future workload. > > Like Char mentioned, best pricing you will find is through NAQP's > Apple store portal. > > The price is fixed pretty much everywhere else you look. > > S. > > > > > At 03:08 PM 4/1/2008, you wrote: > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >We are currently operating with Mac G4 in graphic design and we will > >need to upgrade soon. Initial price seems really high. Any > >recommendations where to go for the best price. > > > >Linda > >Linda Baribeau > >Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. > >2041 West Mill Road > >Glendale, WI 53209 > >Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >__________ NOD32 2993 (20080401) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.eset.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From prtquick at eos.net Wed Apr 2 12:59:43 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Wed Apr 2 12:56:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PageMaker Conversion with embedded graphics In-Reply-To: <00b801c89448$2f304d70$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <009101c89444$e5e9c950$042967d3@kp4> <00b801c89448$2f304d70$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: Wow, I actually received a PageMaker file yesterday. I am converting it to InDesign, but have a question. The file (it is a highschool reunion book) is picture-heavy. The pix are embedded into PageMaker, but do not seem to 'convert' to ID. Do they have to have the original images to link to in ID? I am certain a lot of these pictures were scanned, embedded into PM and then discarded. Thanks! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing From segass at heritageprinting.com Wed Apr 2 15:53:51 2008 From: segass at heritageprinting.com (Steve Gass) Date: Wed Apr 2 15:54:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Files thrown in Trash on MAC and deleted In-Reply-To: <008f01c8945d$cda52240$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <002f01c89503$a8a252f0$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> Hello, All Files thrown in Trash on MAC and deleted. Is there a way to retrive them? It is hell training newbies. . . Thanks, Steve Gass Prepress Manager Heritage Printing & Graphics, Inc. Office: 301-475-1705 Cell: 240-298-0102 Visit our NEW website at www.heritageprinting.com Our Mission: To help your company achieve better results by improving the image you project in the marketplace. We offer mailing services for First and Presort Standard class mailings including Non-Profits. We handle everything from concept...to printing...to mailing! We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider and a Microsoft Publisher Service Provider. From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Wed Apr 2 18:45:28 2008 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Wed Apr 2 18:45:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mitsubishi DPX Platesetter Service Woes (long) In-Reply-To: <002f01c89503$a8a252f0$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> Message-ID: <001401c8951b$a19cc2c0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> We have an older Mitsubishi DPX Plate-setter. It has been serviced regularly and we take good care of it. There has not been any real downtime during the last couple of years to give us any concern. We are in central Iowa and have 3 dealers for this Plate-Setter, XpedX, Fuji Films Graphic Systems USA, Inc., and a regional dealer named Printing and Business Solutions. None of these dealers have a local service technician on staff (except PBS, who has a salesman that has been through training many years ago and only services machines when he's out of options). All of these dealers rely on an independent service technician that lives here in Des Moines and has aspirations to become the next Bass Master's champion (a big red or yellow flag waving here). He is a very good technician when he's here, and his fishing tournaments have never put me in a bad situation. XpedX can pull service tech's from Kansas City and Chicago. Fuji can pull service tech's from Minneapolis. Late last Monday afternoon, not the most recent Monday, but Monday March 31st, our DPX RIP had a communication error with the plate-setter. The local service tech was in Alabama for the week at a fishing tournament. We buy most of our material from PBS, so I called the sales rep let him know what was going on and he agreed to stop by and see if he could figure out what was wrong. He showed bright and early Tuesday AM and proceeded to spend the rest of Tuesday on the phone with Mitsubishi trying to diagnose the problem. No luck. He comes back Wednesday, and by the end of the day has determined that he needs to order 2 boards for the plate-setter. He places the order and has them delivered on an early AM overnight delivery. No problem, install the boards and we're back in business. Thursday the boards arrive, only to find out, Mitsubishi has sent one wrong board. Now we have the replacement board on order for an early Friday overnight delivery. Friday, the board shows up, he shows up, puts the boards in, starts up the plate-setter, and promptly fries 2 or 3 of the newly installed boards (literally blowing up one of the capacitors on one of the boards and melting components on the other boards). All during the week I've had concerns about where this is heading. The guy working on the machine isn't instilling a lot of confidence in me. I've called XpedX and Fuji early in the process but their techs were tied up for the next few days, and when they heard someone else was already working on the problem, they were not too excited about getting in the middle of the call. In the end I was relying on information from the original guy working on the machine. When the plate-setter blows up on Friday, it's determined that we need to call in a Mitsubishi tech to take over. He's got to come up from Dallas and can't get here till Tuesday. He shows up bright and early Tuesday, spends all day on the machine with new parts he brings with him, and by the end of the day, he has to order new parts for Wednesday morning. Wednesday, new parts show up, they are installed, the machine still does not work, and I'm still not any closer to knowing what is wrong with this machine. I call the Mitsubishi service manager this morning after the Mitsubishi tech comes to the end of his abilities. I now have another tech from Mitsubishi flying in from New York and will be here tomorrow. I'm at my wits end right now. I have never, in almost 30 years in this business, had a machine down for over a week. When this started I would never have believed we would be down this long. At the end of most days, there seemed to some degree of optimism, that we'd be up and going by the next day or so. I'm sending this email for several reasons. 1. Everyone likes to hear when someone else is having major problems. It gives you some perspective on the ones you are facing during the day. 2. If you have a plate-setter, make sure you have a back-up plan for making plates if it goes down (I'm still working on mine). 3. If you don't have a back-up plan for making plates, make sure you have some type of redundancy for getting service. 4. If you have sketchy local service, or your regular tech can't get to you for some reason, call in the Manufacturer's tech early in the process. It may end up saving you several days of downtime. It hasn't saved me any time yet, but I have reason to believe if I would have called in Mitsubishi service early in the process, I would have been up long before now. 5. If anyone has any advice on how much I should, or should not, pay for this fiasco I'm open for advice (I'll have a better idea on how to handle the situation when they finally determine what's actually wrong my DPX). 6. Any advice on new plate-setters would also be welcomed. Since this has all started, I've been doing some investigation to see what plate-setters are being used in our area. Our DPX is several years old, is getting close to needing a new RIP, and is probably ready to be replaced. It appears that Kodak has the market share for large and medium shops in our area. Kodak also has 2 local technicians that work for Kodak, not independents. Kodak seems expensive (but so is being down for 2 weeks). There are several other plate-setters out there, Printware, Presstek, etc., but none of these manufacturers have local service, and I feel like I'm back in the same situation for service, that I have with the DPX. We could also look at another DPX. It's been reliable for many years, with only a couple of exceptions, including this one. I like the idea of going with metal plates, quality, latitude on press, etc. Any advice is welcomed. Sorry for the long rant but this has been a long two weeks. Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com From robin at protypeonline.com Thu Apr 3 14:25:34 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Thu Apr 3 17:53:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] test Message-ID: <200804031325599.SM01896@[192.168.1.160]> I've sent two posts and both bounced back to me? robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Thu Apr 3 18:12:04 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Thu Apr 3 18:32:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printed Plastic Rods In-Reply-To: <001401c8951b$a19cc2c0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> References: <001401c8951b$a19cc2c0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Message-ID: <24C4FFD1-F764-4F17-900C-ABEDA9BEDA7D@bellsouth.net> I have a customer who needs 20,000 plastic rods for a product he is making. The size is 1/4" diameter and it is 11 1/4" long. They need to be white and he would like them printed in one color. Did a quick internet search earlier today, and will again tonight, but I thought I would see if anyone here has a source... Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 From stumarty at wrightprinting.com Thu Apr 3 18:08:43 2008 From: stumarty at wrightprinting.com (Stu) Date: Thu Apr 3 18:33:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] test In-Reply-To: <200804031325599.SM01896@[192.168.1.160]> References: <200804031325599.SM01896@[192.168.1.160]> Message-ID: On or about 2:25 PM -0500 4/3/08, Robin Niewold emailed the following: >I've sent two posts and both bounced back to me? Did you include the new 25 cent posting fee? Just drop it in the CD slot. I believe part of it goes toward old printer's food and shelter. -just old stu- -- =============== SETTING IT WRIGHT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I wondered why the NEO was getting bigger. Then it hit me. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com From jdaghir at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 13:31:52 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Thu Apr 3 18:43:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PageMaker Conversion with embedded graphics In-Reply-To: References: <009101c89444$e5e9c950$042967d3@kp4> <00b801c89448$2f304d70$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <83d5b9620804031131x5d2c6ef6j7506184ddd6a3848@mail.gmail.com> I don't believe InDesign will recognize embedded pictures when converting from a PageMaker document. I don't have PageMaker installed on any of our machines anymore so I'm doing this from memory but I think you need to open the document in PageMaker, and in the Links Manager I believe there is an option to extract embedded images. The other option would be to print a high res PDF from PageMaker and extract the images from there. But either way you have to open it up in PageMaker first. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Scott said: > Wow, I actually received a PageMaker file yesterday. I am converting it to > InDesign, but have a question. > > The file (it is a highschool reunion book) is picture-heavy. The pix are > embedded into PageMaker, but do not seem to 'convert' to ID. Do they have to > have the original images to link to in ID? From slb at inkspot.net Tue Apr 1 22:07:10 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Apr 3 22:12:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing question In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080401155642.033b1800@bucksdigital.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080401155642.033b1800@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <47F2B20E.29041.2DD6235B@slb.inkspot.net> The mailing list we just purchased for a customer has fields labelled CRRT, and PBDC. CRRT is obviously the carrier route. What's PBDC? TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From john at foxprinting.biz Thu Apr 3 15:28:51 2008 From: john at foxprinting.biz (John Schroeder) Date: Thu Apr 3 23:00:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. References: <2CA803B7-7BEC-480F-9F64-47D3A4A67A63@foxprinting.biz> Message-ID: <442E610F-B404-4619-815E-707F8EAB5984@foxprinting.biz> What markups are you applying to jobs produced by print wholesalers. Invoice to us is $2000.00. 50% markup results in sale price of $3000.00 - margin is 33% 75% markup results in a sale price of $3500.00 - margin is 43% 100% markup results in a sale price of $4000.00 - margin is 50% What would you quote as a final price? Thanks. John John Schroeder Fox Printing 802-658-9196 john@foxprinting.biz From john at foxprinting.biz Thu Apr 3 09:23:14 2008 From: john at foxprinting.biz (John Schroeder) Date: Fri Apr 4 00:09:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: <001401c8951b$a19cc2c0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> References: <001401c8951b$a19cc2c0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Message-ID: <2CA803B7-7BEC-480F-9F64-47D3A4A67A63@foxprinting.biz> What markups are you applying to jobs produced by print wholesalers. Invoice to us is $2000.00. 50% markup results in sale price of $3000.00 - margin is 33% 75% markup results in a sale price of $3500.00 - margin is 43% 100% markup results in a sale price of $4000.00 - margin is 50% What would you quote as a final price? Thanks. John John Schroeder Fox Printing 802-658-9196 john@foxprinting.biz From kellycrom at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 00:11:10 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Fri Apr 4 00:09:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printed Plastic Rods In-Reply-To: <24C4FFD1-F764-4F17-900C-ABEDA9BEDA7D@bellsouth.net> References: <001401c8951b$a19cc2c0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> <24C4FFD1-F764-4F17-900C-ABEDA9BEDA7D@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <00b301c89612$4cbea780$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Look for a company who does pad printing. You may have to find a source for the actual rods yourself(or maybe your customer has the source for those). Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ben Travis > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 6:12 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Printed Plastic Rods > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a customer who needs 20,000 plastic rods for a product he is > making. > > The size is 1/4" diameter and it is 11 1/4" long. They need to be > white and he would like them printed in one color. Did a quick > internet search earlier today, and will again tonight, but I > thought I > would see if anyone here has a source... > > Thanks, > > Ben Travis > > Copy Express > 4004-A South Blvd. > Charlotte, NC 20209 > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net > 704-527-1750 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From acepm2 at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 02:03:28 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Fri Apr 4 02:11:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: <442E610F-B404-4619-815E-707F8EAB5984@foxprinting.biz> References: <2CA803B7-7BEC-480F-9F64-47D3A4A67A63@foxprinting.biz> <442E610F-B404-4619-815E-707F8EAB5984@foxprinting.biz> Message-ID: 50% margin..... Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 4:28 PM, John Schroeder wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > What markups are you applying to jobs produced by > print wholesalers. > > Invoice to us is $2000.00. > > 50% markup results in sale price of $3000.00 - margin is 33% > > 75% markup results in a sale price of $3500.00 - margin is 43% > > 100% markup results in a sale price of $4000.00 - margin is 50% > > > What would you quote as a final price? > > Thanks. > > John > > > > > > > > > > > John Schroeder > Fox Printing > 802-658-9196 > john@foxprinting.biz > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Fri Apr 4 08:01:41 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Fri Apr 4 08:01:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is this standard for everyone else? My minimum mark-up is 40%, but I rarely am able to get to 100%. I've always wondered what the standard was though. I frankly don't think my "wholesalers" don't give me good enough prices to do it. If everyone is closer to 100%, does anyone know any great wholesale printers? Not 4over, who we use and are happy with, but someone for custom jobs. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Thom Gulyas > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 03:03:28 -0400 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > 50% margin..... > > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > www.acepm.com > > > > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 4:28 PM, John Schroeder wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> >> What markups are you applying to jobs produced by >> print wholesalers. >> >> Invoice to us is $2000.00. >> >> 50% markup results in sale price of $3000.00 - margin is 33% >> >> 75% markup results in a sale price of $3500.00 - margin is 43% >> >> 100% markup results in a sale price of $4000.00 - margin is 50% >> >> >> What would you quote as a final price? >> >> Thanks. >> >> John >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> John Schroeder >> Fox Printing >> 802-658-9196 >> john@foxprinting.biz >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > -- > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > Berlin, Maryland 21811 > www.acepm.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From oren66 at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 3 07:01:46 2008 From: oren66 at sbcglobal.net (Arie Teomi) Date: Fri Apr 4 08:01:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mitsubishi DPX Platesetter Service Woes (long) In-Reply-To: <001401c8951b$a19cc2c0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Message-ID: <690899.62116.qm@web83404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> --- Mitch Eaton wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > We have an older Mitsubishi DPX Plate-setter. It has > been serviced regularly > and we take good care of it. There has not been any > real downtime during the > last couple of years to give us any concern. > > We are in central Iowa and have 3 dealers for this > Plate-Setter, XpedX, Fuji > Films Graphic Systems USA, Inc., and a regional > dealer named Printing and > Business Solutions. None of these dealers have a > local service technician on > staff (except PBS, who has a salesman that has been > through training many > years ago and only services machines when he's out > of options). > > All of these dealers rely on an independent service > technician that lives > here in Des Moines and has aspirations to become the > next Bass Master's > champion (a big red or yellow flag waving here). He > is a very good > technician when he's here, and his fishing > tournaments have never put me in > a bad situation. XpedX can pull service tech's from > Kansas City and Chicago. > Fuji can pull service tech's from Minneapolis. > > Late last Monday afternoon, not the most recent > Monday, but Monday March > 31st, our DPX RIP had a communication error with the > plate-setter. The local > service tech was in Alabama for the week at a > fishing tournament. We buy > most of our material from PBS, so I called the sales > rep let him know what > was going on and he agreed to stop by and see if he > could figure out what > was wrong. > > He showed bright and early Tuesday AM and proceeded > to spend the rest of > Tuesday on the phone with Mitsubishi trying to > diagnose the problem. No > luck. > > He comes back Wednesday, and by the end of the day > has determined that he > needs to order 2 boards for the plate-setter. He > places the order and has > them delivered on an early AM overnight delivery. No > problem, install the > boards and we're back in business. > > Thursday the boards arrive, only to find out, > Mitsubishi has sent one wrong > board. Now we have the replacement board on order > for an early Friday > overnight delivery. > > Friday, the board shows up, he shows up, puts the > boards in, starts up the > plate-setter, and promptly fries 2 or 3 of the newly > installed boards > (literally blowing up one of the capacitors on one > of the boards and melting > components on the other boards). > > All during the week I've had concerns about where > this is heading. The guy > working on the machine isn't instilling a lot of > confidence in me. I've > called XpedX and Fuji early in the process but their > techs were tied up for > the next few days, and when they heard someone else > was already working on > the problem, they were not too excited about getting > in the middle of the > call. In the end I was relying on information from > the original guy working > on the machine. > > When the plate-setter blows up on Friday, it's > determined that we need to > call in a Mitsubishi tech to take over. He's got to > come up from Dallas and > can't get here till Tuesday. He shows up bright and > early Tuesday, spends > all day on the machine with new parts he brings with > him, and by the end of > the day, he has to order new parts for Wednesday > morning. > > Wednesday, new parts show up, they are installed, > the machine still does not > work, and I'm still not any closer to knowing what > is wrong with this > machine. > > I call the Mitsubishi service manager this morning > after the Mitsubishi tech > comes to the end of his abilities. I now have > another tech from Mitsubishi > flying in from New York and will be here tomorrow. > > I'm at my wits end right now. I have never, in > almost 30 years in this > business, had a machine down for over a week. When > this started I would > never have believed we would be down this long. At > the end of most days, > there seemed to some degree of optimism, that we'd > be up and going by the > next day or so. > > I'm sending this email for several reasons. > > 1. Everyone likes to hear when someone else is > having major problems. It > gives you some perspective on the ones you are > facing during the day. > 2. If you have a plate-setter, make sure you have a > back-up plan for making > plates if it goes down (I'm still working on mine). > 3. If you don't have a back-up plan for making > plates, make sure you have > some type of redundancy for getting service. > 4. If you have sketchy local service, or your > regular tech can't get to you > for some reason, call in the Manufacturer's tech > early in the process. It > may end up saving you several days of downtime. It > hasn't saved me any time > yet, but I have reason to believe if I would have > called in Mitsubishi > service early in the process, I would have been up > long before now. > 5. If anyone has any advice on how much I should, or > should not, pay for > this fiasco I'm open for advice (I'll have a better > idea on how to handle > the situation when they finally determine what's > actually wrong my DPX). > 6. Any advice on new plate-setters would also be > welcomed. > > Since this has all started, I've been doing some > investigation to see what > plate-setters are being used in our area. Our DPX is > several years old, is > getting close to needing a new RIP, and is probably > ready to be replaced. It > appears that Kodak has the market share for large > and medium shops in our > area. Kodak also has 2 local technicians that work > for Kodak, not > independents. Kodak seems expensive (but so is being > down for 2 weeks). > There are several other plate-setters out there, > Printware, Presstek, etc., > but none of these manufacturers have local service, > and I feel like I'm back > in the same situation for service, that I have with > the DPX. We could also > look at another DPX. It's been reliable for many > years, with only a couple > of exceptions, including this one. I like the idea > of going with metal > plates, quality, latitude on press, etc. Any advice > is welcomed. > > Sorry for the long rant but this has been a long two > weeks. > > Mitch Eaton > The Printing Station > 1420 Locust Street > Des Moines, IA 50309 > 515-243-8144 > 866-866-7414 > Fax 515-243-6540 > mitch.eaton@printingstation.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Fri Apr 4 08:20:32 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Fri Apr 4 08:20:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Files thrown in Trash on MAC and deleted In-Reply-To: <002f01c89503$a8a252f0$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> References: <002f01c89503$a8a252f0$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> Message-ID: The sample newsletter on YOUR website has all the information you need to recover the trashed files On Apr 2, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Steve Gass wrote: > Files thrown in Trash on MAC and deleted. > > Is there a way to retrive them? > > It is hell training newbies. . . Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Fri Apr 4 08:29:46 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Fri Apr 4 08:29:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3AE8C959-B650-4FA4-A069-83276EC24938@inkonpaper.biz> On Apr 4, 2008, at 9:01 AM, Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > Is this standard for everyone else? My minimum mark-up is 40%, but > I rarely > am able to get to 100%. I've always wondered what the standard was > though. > I frankly don't think my "wholesalers" don't give me good enough > prices to > do it. If everyone is closer to 100%, does anyone know any great > wholesale > printers? Not 4over, who we use and are happy with, but someone > for custom > jobs. We buy Bus Cards from a local company that is similar to 4over We pay $24 ( 1000 4/0 UV) We sell the "Regularly for $99 I think that is way over 100% markup I suspect the problem may not be your wholesale price but your selling price I'm not saying I can get that margin on 10,000 4/4 flyers but I do get it on 1000 (cost $216.91 sell $433.82) Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Fri Apr 4 08:50:06 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Fri Apr 4 08:50:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: <3AE8C959-B650-4FA4-A069-83276EC24938@inkonpaper.biz> Message-ID: I don't really mean 4over either, I routinely triple their prices. I was thinking more custom shops that do custom work. Or do they not count as wholesale? Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Loren Maurina > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:29:46 -0400 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > On Apr 4, 2008, at 9:01 AM, Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > >> Is this standard for everyone else? My minimum mark-up is 40%, but >> I rarely >> am able to get to 100%. I've always wondered what the standard was >> though. >> I frankly don't think my "wholesalers" don't give me good enough >> prices to >> do it. If everyone is closer to 100%, does anyone know any great >> wholesale >> printers? Not 4over, who we use and are happy with, but someone >> for custom >> jobs. > > We buy Bus Cards from a local company that is similar to 4over > We pay $24 ( 1000 4/0 UV) We sell the "Regularly for $99 > > I think that is way over 100% markup > > I suspect the problem may not be your wholesale price but your > selling price > > I'm not saying I can get that margin on 10,000 4/4 flyers but I do > get it on 1000 (cost $216.91 sell $433.82) > > > Loren Maurina > President > L & L Printing, Inc. > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren > > ph (586) 263-0060 > fx (586) 263-4895 > > Loren@InkOnPaper.biz > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Fri Apr 4 09:09:39 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Fri Apr 4 09:09:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] test - bouncing emails In-Reply-To: <20080404050919.CC031EB4382@rb.enter.net> References: <20080404050919.CC031EB4382@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: You're not alone; it's just because of all the corruption in Illinois and Chicago! I sent two replies to the individuals concerned, but I'll repost responses again. > I've sent two posts and both bounced back to me? > robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Fri Apr 4 09:09:59 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Fri Apr 4 09:09:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Files thrown in Trash on MAC and deleted In-Reply-To: <20080402205425.EF80AEAF170@rb.enter.net> References: <20080402205425.EF80AEAF170@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <200804040909722.SM00852@[192.168.123.200]> STOP! Don't overwrite the hard drive! There are recovery programs such as the one below, but that's why there is 'Time Machine' in Leopard, Mac OSX 10.5, the latest Mac operating system. > Files thrown in Trash on MAC and deleted. > Is there a way to retrive them? Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Fri Apr 4 09:11:05 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Fri Apr 4 09:10:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] MacPro In-Reply-To: <20080402205425.EF80AEAF170@rb.enter.net> References: <20080402205425.EF80AEAF170@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <25a71a87f14e3e8e52fc3bbe1ab0de3b@sheergraphics.com> Chuck Pappas thought that a 24" iMac stuffed with RAM would meet his needs. It depends on what programs you run, or whether you make movies or other high processor/RAM demanding files. For static, two dimensional work, I'd try a new 24" - the price is reduced for NAPQ members through Apple's website. But WAIT! Don't buy now, updates soon. > We are currently operating with Mac G4 in graphic design and we will > need to upgrade soon. Initial price seems really high. Any > recommendations where to go for the best price. P.S. it comes with 'Time Machine' so your trashed files are easily recovered! Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 09:27:28 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri Apr 4 09:27:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: <2CA803B7-7BEC-480F-9F64-47D3A4A67A63@foxprinting.biz> References: <001401c8951b$a19cc2c0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> <2CA803B7-7BEC-480F-9F64-47D3A4A67A63@foxprinting.biz> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0804040727k5bcde2c0h8245ac4653d95b53@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 10:23 AM, John Schroeder wrote: > > What markups are you applying to jobs produced by > print wholesalers. > Invoice to us is $2000.00. > 50% markup results in sale price of $3000.00 - margin is 33% > 75% markup results in a sale price of $3500.00 - margin is 43% > 100% markup results in a sale price of $4000.00 - margin is 50% > > What would you quote as a final price? 1) It depends. 2) As much as I thought I could get for the value my customer perceived. I believe these are the only "correct" answers to your question. It's good that you realize that markup isn't margin. But, although 100% margin (i.e. any price, $0 cost) cannot be exceeded, markups have no theoretical upper limit. So why stop at 100%? ? How do you know the job isn't worth more? There are so many questions to ask and be answered before yours can be, John. For example: What's the nature of the job? Have you participated in creating or originating the job? How much *value* have you had the opportunity to add? Have you found any other way(s) to add value? Do you have a relationship with this customer? Have you *earned* your relationship with this customer? How much does this customer want to buy from *you*? Or is this a commodity job? How does this job fit in with the mix of business you get from this customer? What are or were the customer's other options for getting the job produced? How well did you buy the job? How good was the price you got? How much time did you have to get the job done? Two days? Two weeks? How will you be paid? What's your risk level with this customer? Sell the job for what it is *worth*, which answers to the above will get you closer to having a good sense for. The lowest "good" price you should consider is one that at least reflects your efforts and risk -- the minimum value to you. The highest "good" price is that which the customer is willing to pay and still feel (s)he received value in kind. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ========================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From copythatnyc at aol.com Fri Apr 4 09:27:50 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Fri Apr 4 09:28:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CA64773220FE2F-D00-484C@webmail-db08.sysops.aol.com> Hey Borzou.? Any items that we out source, gets marked up 68%. min. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Borzou Azabdaftari To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 9:50 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I don't really mean 4over either, I routinely triple their prices. I was thinking more custom shops that do custom work. Or do they not count as wholesale? Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Loren Maurina > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:29:46 -0400 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > On Apr 4, 2008, at 9:01 AM, Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > >> Is this standard for everyone else? My minimum mark-up is 40%, but >> I rarely >> am able to get to 100%. I've always wondered what the standard was >> though. >> I frankly don't think my "wholesalers" don't give me good enough >> prices to >> do it. If everyone is closer to 100%, does anyone know any great >> wholesale >> printers? Not 4over, who we use and are happy with, but someone >> for custom >> jobs. > > We buy Bus Cards from a local company that is similar to 4over > We pay $24 ( 1000 4/0 UV) We sell the "Regularly for $99 > > I think that is way over 100% markup > > I suspect the problem may not be your wholesale price but your > selling price > > I'm not saying I can get that margin on 10,000 4/4 flyers but I do > get it on 1000 (cost $216.91 sell $433.82) > > > Loren Maurina > President > L & L Printing, Inc. > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp > dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren > > ph (586) 263-0060 > fx (586) 263-4895 > > Loren@InkOnPaper.biz > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 09:39:45 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri Apr 4 09:39:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: <3AE8C959-B650-4FA4-A069-83276EC24938@inkonpaper.biz> References: <3AE8C959-B650-4FA4-A069-83276EC24938@inkonpaper.biz> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0804040739w76e55ecbqe93ae6dcdbf7b589@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Loren Maurina wrote: > > I'm not saying I can get that margin on 10,000 4/4 flyers but I do get it > on 1000 (cost $216.91 sell $433.82) $433.82 is not a "customer-centric" price. It is the awkward result of multiplication. Why not apply at least the one additional step to final pricing of considering the result subjectively? If that's not do-able because too many people have control over job pricing, consider at least this: How many jobs do you do in a year? If you were only to *round up* each job price to some nearby round number ($435? $440? %450?) -- multiplied by the number of jobs in a year -- how much of a bonus would that put directly into your "net owner's comp" column? (If you're using PrintersPlan, btw, this is an easily done deal). -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ========================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From dvmonto at optonline.net Fri Apr 4 09:55:16 2008 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Fri Apr 4 09:55:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Staples for copiers In-Reply-To: <00b501c89041$c347b670$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: http://www.precisionroller.com/ht/copier_staples.htm -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net -- "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 On 3/27/08 3:35 PM, "Gordon Watt" wrote: > About a year ago, or maybe two, someone mentioned a site that sold a generic > brand of staples. I thought I had bookmarked it but I can't find it now. > > If anyone knows what I'm talking about could they repost the information? > > Thanks. > > Gordon Watt > Xoxo Cyberprint Inc > Toronto > > > From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Fri Apr 4 09:57:01 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Fri Apr 4 09:57:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0804040739w76e55ecbqe93ae6dcdbf7b589@mail.gmail.com> References: <3AE8C959-B650-4FA4-A069-83276EC24938@inkonpaper.biz> <98f5b19a0804040739w76e55ecbqe93ae6dcdbf7b589@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F641BD.6070703@sugarloafprint.com> I like rounding up to the next even number I have no basis of fact for this, I just think people feel more comfortable with a even number. I even round up to the next zero, instead of $217.91, I'll quote $220, it just looks nicer. Years ago, I think it might have been Henny Youngman, I could be wrong. Well anyway, this comedian was talking about what is funny and what isn't, he mentioned that even numbers are not funny, just old numbers, and "3" is the funniest number of them all. Okay, okay, he said if you say the number 2 just right way, it might be funny, if you get lucky. TGIF Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Loren Maurina wrote: > >> I'm not saying I can get that margin on 10,000 4/4 flyers but I do get it >> on 1000 (cost $216.91 sell $433.82) >> > > > $433.82 is not a "customer-centric" price. It is the awkward result of > multiplication. Why not apply at least the one additional step to > final pricing of considering the result subjectively? > > If that's not do-able because too many people have control over job > pricing, consider at least this: How many jobs do you do in a year? If > you were only to *round up* each job price to some nearby round number > ($435? $440? %450?) -- multiplied by the number of jobs in a year -- > how much of a bonus would that put directly into your "net owner's > comp" column? (If you're using PrintersPlan, btw, this is an easily > done deal). > > > -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Fri Apr 4 09:59:28 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Fri Apr 4 09:59:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0804040739w76e55ecbqe93ae6dcdbf7b589@mail.gmail.com> References: <3AE8C959-B650-4FA4-A069-83276EC24938@inkonpaper.biz> <98f5b19a0804040739w76e55ecbqe93ae6dcdbf7b589@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <426D2917-F71D-46D6-BA18-8AC88ABF1F7A@inkonpaper.biz> On Apr 4, 2008, at 10:39 AM, Michael Vogel wrote: > $433.82 is not a "customer-centric" price. It is the awkward result of > multiplication. Why not apply at least the one additional step to > final pricing of considering the result subjectively? I could not agree with you less, if I tried. I have always believed that "Rounded Prices" were an easy starting point for discounting. They indicate that the seller pulled one out of his @#$%^! "Exact Pricing" ( to the penny) tell the consumer that you took the time to find the best price for that Item. That's what I believe, and it is back by personal years of marketing and retail experience. However, You can practice what you believe is correct. I'm not interested in defending my practice any further. Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Fri Apr 4 10:04:08 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Fri Apr 4 10:04:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Staples for copiers In-Reply-To: References: <00b501c89041$c347b670$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: <00dc01c89665$22e81ec0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Top notch David! Just less than ? what we are paying now. Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of David Monto Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 10:55 AM To: Printowners Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Staples for copiers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** http://www.precisionroller.com/ht/copier_staples.htm -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net -- "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 On 3/27/08 3:35 PM, "Gordon Watt" wrote: > About a year ago, or maybe two, someone mentioned a site that sold a generic > brand of staples. I thought I had bookmarked it but I can't find it now. > > If anyone knows what I'm talking about could they repost the information? > > Thanks. > > Gordon Watt > Xoxo Cyberprint Inc > Toronto > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Apr 4 10:16:36 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Apr 4 10:18:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: <442E610F-B404-4619-815E-707F8EAB5984@foxprinting.biz> References: <2CA803B7-7BEC-480F-9F64-47D3A4A67A63@foxprinting.biz> <442E610F-B404-4619-815E-707F8EAB5984@foxprinting.biz> Message-ID: <200804041518.m34FI2f9069252@i2bnetworks.com> 100% S. At 01:28 PM 4/3/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >What markups are you applying to jobs produced by >print wholesalers. > >Invoice to us is $2000.00. > > 50% markup results in sale price of $3000.00 - margin is 33% > >75% markup results in a sale price of $3500.00 - margin is 43% > >100% markup results in a sale price of $4000.00 - margin is 50% > > >What would you quote as a final price? > >Thanks. > >John > > > > > > > > > > >John Schroeder >Fox Printing >802-658-9196 >john@foxprinting.biz > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3003 (20080404) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Apr 4 10:19:21 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Apr 4 10:21:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200804041521.m34FKlQL069940@i2bnetworks.com> Its not the cost that allows the 100% Barzou, its the sales ability that allows the 100% http://tinyurl.com/33gjq9 S. At 06:01 AM 4/4/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Is this standard for everyone else? My minimum mark-up is 40%, but I rarely >am able to get to 100%. I've always wondered what the standard was though. >I frankly don't think my "wholesalers" don't give me good enough prices to >do it. If everyone is closer to 100%, does anyone know any great wholesale >printers? Not 4over, who we use and are happy with, but someone for custom >jobs. > > >Borzou Azabdaftari >Falcon Print and Copy >1921 Gallows Road >Suite 150 >Vienna, VA 22182 >t.703.442.0124 >f.703.442.0134 >borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > > > > From: Thom Gulyas > > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > > > Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 03:03:28 -0400 > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > 50% margin..... > > > > Thom Gulyas > > ACE Printing & Mailing > > www.acepm.com > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 4:28 PM, John Schroeder > wrote: > > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> > >> > >> > >> What markups are you applying to jobs produced by > >> print wholesalers. > >> > >> Invoice to us is $2000.00. > >> > >> 50% markup results in sale price of $3000.00 - margin is 33% > >> > >> 75% markup results in a sale price of $3500.00 - margin is 43% > >> > >> 100% markup results in a sale price of $4000.00 - margin is 50% > >> > >> > >> What would you quote as a final price? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> John > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> John Schroeder > >> Fox Printing > >> 802-658-9196 > >> john@foxprinting.biz > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> PrintOwners Discussion List > >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Thom Gulyas > > ACE Printing & Mailing > > Berlin, Maryland 21811 > > www.acepm.com > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3003 (20080404) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From ron at printingconcepts.com Fri Apr 4 11:50:09 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Fri Apr 4 10:43:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] HALM JET PRESS Message-ID: We have an opportunity(?) to buy a Halm jet press and I was wondering if anyone on this list has any experience with them? We have some very good pressmen and mechanically inclined people around here, but I am wondering... 1. Can we match the quality level we achieve on a Ryobi 3200? (sometimes we get jobs from an envelope company where the quality is not the greatest) 2. Is this a whole new skill-set for a pressman to learn or can an accomplished person pick this up easily? 3. How hard are parts & service to get (I know this is hard to answer) TIA Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From Michael at wolfiesprint.com Fri Apr 4 10:50:38 2008 From: Michael at wolfiesprint.com (Michael Wolf) Date: Fri Apr 4 10:50:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DPX vs G&J platesetters evaluation In-Reply-To: <690899.62116.qm@web83404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <001401c8951b$a19cc2c0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> <690899.62116.qm@web83404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <042c01c8966b$a11871e0$e34955a0$@com> Arie, I am also a DPX owner - with similar worries as my unit is now more than 6 years old! We replaced some parts 6 months ago and my processor has been leaving marks on the plates I went to the local PRINTFEST'DM show here in Anaheim to look at the possibilities. I paid a visit to the GLUNZ & JENSEN booth - displaying their new "PLATEWRITER 2000" PLUS FACTORS It sells for about $25,000 dollars including Harlequin Xitron rip and Epson proof support Resolution: 1440x1440 or 2800x2800 Stochastic Screening - your solids will not plug as easily - even if you are carrying a lot of ink. Processes metal plates, sizes 8x8" - 18x24" - .006 - .008" thick Aluminium Waterless processor - self contained Automated gumming system Same footprint almost as current DPX (77"long x 35"wide"x 47" height) Metal Plates (I know we would have better results - particularly with large solids) Estimated cost per plate @ $2.30/plate (metal plate for Quickmaster) 25,000 impression Similar power supply to DPX - 230vac 50-60Hz ISSUES There are a number of issues I wanted to resolve with it - 6 plates per hour (B3 size) (SLOWER THAN DPX!) A manual feed - (I must confess it seems to work very well - has an electronic eye for consistency) NO punch system - we would punch after processing - not sure how accurate this will be? Repeatability - remains to be proven - they are confident however. 2 INSTALLATIONS OUT WEST and more east? In summarizing - it seems like good value - G & J are renowned for their excellent processor products. Have not compared it to other products on the market (pricewise) (we paid +_$65,000 for DPX) I reflecting - I wish I had gone with metal plates - for their consistency and better press performance This may be an opportunity to do this - Also I wonder if we can use our existing rip?? Haven't asked them! (some saving perhaps?? GLUNZ & JENSEN, inc.- ELKWOOD VA 1-540-825-7300 - FAX 1-540-825-7525 USVA@GLUNZ-JENSEN.COM Good luck sincerely Michael Wolf THE WOLF PRINTING COMPANY email: michael@wolfiesprint.com Tel: 714.491.0500 Fax: 714.491.7276 1320 WEST SANTA ANA STREET (Just minutes from the Anaheim Convention Center) ANAHEIM, CA 92082 On-Line ordering at WWW.WOLFIESPRINT.COM PRINT - DESIGN - COPY - LABELS - STAMPS - WIDE FORMAT POSTERS & BANNERS PERSONAL SERVICE - PERSONAL SERVICE - PERSONAL SERVICE - PERSONAL SERVICE -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Arie Teomi Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 5:02 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Mitsubishi DPX Platesetter Service Woes (long) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** --- Mitch Eaton wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > We have an older Mitsubishi DPX Plate-setter. It has > been serviced regularly > and we take good care of it. There has not been any > real downtime during the > last couple of years to give us any concern. > > We are in central Iowa and have 3 dealers for this > Plate-Setter, XpedX, Fuji > Films Graphic Systems USA, Inc., and a regional > dealer named Printing and > Business Solutions. None of these dealers have a > local service technician on > staff (except PBS, who has a salesman that has been > through training many > years ago and only services machines when he's out > of options). > > All of these dealers rely on an independent service > technician that lives > here in Des Moines and has aspirations to become the > next Bass Master's > champion (a big red or yellow flag waving here). He > is a very good > technician when he's here, and his fishing > tournaments have never put me in > a bad situation. XpedX can pull service tech's from > Kansas City and Chicago. > Fuji can pull service tech's from Minneapolis. > > Late last Monday afternoon, not the most recent > Monday, but Monday March > 31st, our DPX RIP had a communication error with the > plate-setter. The local > service tech was in Alabama for the week at a > fishing tournament. We buy > most of our material from PBS, so I called the sales > rep let him know what > was going on and he agreed to stop by and see if he > could figure out what > was wrong. > > He showed bright and early Tuesday AM and proceeded > to spend the rest of > Tuesday on the phone with Mitsubishi trying to > diagnose the problem. No > luck. > > He comes back Wednesday, and by the end of the day > has determined that he > needs to order 2 boards for the plate-setter. He > places the order and has > them delivered on an early AM overnight delivery. No > problem, install the > boards and we're back in business. > > Thursday the boards arrive, only to find out, > Mitsubishi has sent one wrong > board. Now we have the replacement board on order > for an early Friday > overnight delivery. > > Friday, the board shows up, he shows up, puts the > boards in, starts up the > plate-setter, and promptly fries 2 or 3 of the newly > installed boards > (literally blowing up one of the capacitors on one > of the boards and melting > components on the other boards). > > All during the week I've had concerns about where > this is heading. The guy > working on the machine isn't instilling a lot of > confidence in me. I've > called XpedX and Fuji early in the process but their > techs were tied up for > the next few days, and when they heard someone else > was already working on > the problem, they were not too excited about getting > in the middle of the > call. In the end I was relying on information from > the original guy working > on the machine. > > When the plate-setter blows up on Friday, it's > determined that we need to > call in a Mitsubishi tech to take over. He's got to > come up from Dallas and > can't get here till Tuesday. He shows up bright and > early Tuesday, spends > all day on the machine with new parts he brings with > him, and by the end of > the day, he has to order new parts for Wednesday > morning. > > Wednesday, new parts show up, they are installed, > the machine still does not > work, and I'm still not any closer to knowing what > is wrong with this > machine. > > I call the Mitsubishi service manager this morning > after the Mitsubishi tech > comes to the end of his abilities. I now have > another tech from Mitsubishi > flying in from New York and will be here tomorrow. > > I'm at my wits end right now. I have never, in > almost 30 years in this > business, had a machine down for over a week. When > this started I would > never have believed we would be down this long. At > the end of most days, > there seemed to some degree of optimism, that we'd > be up and going by the > next day or so. > > I'm sending this email for several reasons. > > 1. Everyone likes to hear when someone else is > having major problems. It > gives you some perspective on the ones you are > facing during the day. > 2. If you have a plate-setter, make sure you have a > back-up plan for making > plates if it goes down (I'm still working on mine). > 3. If you don't have a back-up plan for making > plates, make sure you have > some type of redundancy for getting service. > 4. If you have sketchy local service, or your > regular tech can't get to you > for some reason, call in the Manufacturer's tech > early in the process. It > may end up saving you several days of downtime. It > hasn't saved me any time > yet, but I have reason to believe if I would have > called in Mitsubishi > service early in the process, I would have been up > long before now. > 5. If anyone has any advice on how much I should, or > should not, pay for > this fiasco I'm open for advice (I'll have a better > idea on how to handle > the situation when they finally determine what's > actually wrong my DPX). > 6. Any advice on new plate-setters would also be > welcomed. > > Since this has all started, I've been doing some > investigation to see what > plate-setters are being used in our area. Our DPX is > several years old, is > getting close to needing a new RIP, and is probably > ready to be replaced. It > appears that Kodak has the market share for large > and medium shops in our > area. Kodak also has 2 local technicians that work > for Kodak, not > independents. Kodak seems expensive (but so is being > down for 2 weeks). > There are several other plate-setters out there, > Printware, Presstek, etc., > but none of these manufacturers have local service, > and I feel like I'm back > in the same situation for service, that I have with > the DPX. We could also > look at another DPX. It's been reliable for many > years, with only a couple > of exceptions, including this one. I like the idea > of going with metal > plates, quality, latitude on press, etc. Any advice > is welcomed. > > Sorry for the long rant but this has been a long two > weeks. > > Mitch Eaton > The Printing Station > 1420 Locust Street > Des Moines, IA 50309 > 515-243-8144 > 866-866-7414 > Fax 515-243-6540 > mitch.eaton@printingstation.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3002 (20080404) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Apr 4 10:59:39 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Apr 4 11:01:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: <426D2917-F71D-46D6-BA18-8AC88ABF1F7A@inkonpaper.biz> References: <3AE8C959-B650-4FA4-A069-83276EC24938@inkonpaper.biz> <98f5b19a0804040739w76e55ecbqe93ae6dcdbf7b589@mail.gmail.com> <426D2917-F71D-46D6-BA18-8AC88ABF1F7A@inkonpaper.biz> Message-ID: <200804041601.m34G15OP078654@i2bnetworks.com> I'm in very strong agreement with Lauren on this. We have always done quotes to the penny, and I have always had very little price resistance in my sales process. I agree that the perception of the client is that this is the price determined by a thorough calculation, not something just pulled out of the air. and as Larry always says...."The Price is the Price" S. At 07:59 AM 4/4/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >On Apr 4, 2008, at 10:39 AM, Michael Vogel wrote: > >>$433.82 is not a "customer-centric" price. It is the awkward result of >>multiplication. Why not apply at least the one additional step to >>final pricing of considering the result subjectively? > >I could not agree with you less, if I tried. >I have always believed that "Rounded Prices" were an easy starting >point for discounting. They indicate that >the seller pulled one out of his @#$%^! >"Exact Pricing" ( to the penny) tell the consumer that you took the >time to find the best price for that Item. > >That's what I believe, and it is back by personal years of marketing >and retail experience. > >However, You can practice what you believe is correct. I'm not >interested in defending my practice any further. > > >Loren Maurina >President >L & L Printing, Inc. >dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp >dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren > >ph (586) 263-0060 >fx (586) 263-4895 > >Loren@InkOnPaper.biz > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3003 (20080404) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From Michael at wolfiesprint.com Fri Apr 4 11:07:33 2008 From: Michael at wolfiesprint.com (Michael Wolf) Date: Fri Apr 4 11:07:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: DPX vs G&J platesetters evaluation References: <001401c8951b$a19cc2c0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> <690899.62116.qm@web83404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <044c01c8966d$fe50a9c0$faf1fd40$@com> FOR SOME REASON ALL MY EMAILS ARE BEING BOUNCED? -----Original Message----- From: Michael Wolf [mailto:Michael@wolfiesprint.com] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 8:51 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: DPX vs G&J platesetters evaluation Arie, I am also a DPX owner - with similar worries as my unit is now more than 6 years old! We replaced some parts 6 months ago and my processor has been leaving marks on the plates I went to the local PRINTFEST'DM show here in Anaheim to look at the possibilities. I paid a visit to the GLUNZ & JENSEN booth - displaying their new "PLATEWRITER 2000" PLUS FACTORS It sells for about $25,000 dollars including Harlequin Xitron rip and Epson proof support Resolution: 1440x1440 or 2800x2800 Stochastic Screening - your solids will not plug as easily - even if you are carrying a lot of ink. Processes metal plates, sizes 8x8" - 18x24" - .006 - .008" thick Aluminium Waterless processor - self contained Automated gumming system Same footprint almost as current DPX (77"long x 35"wide"x 47" height) Metal Plates (I know we would have better results - particularly with large solids) Estimated cost per plate @ $2.30/plate (metal plate for Quickmaster) 25,000 impression Similar power supply to DPX - 230vac 50-60Hz ISSUES There are a number of issues I wanted to resolve with it - 6 plates per hour (B3 size) (SLOWER THAN DPX!) A manual feed - (I must confess it seems to work very well - has an electronic eye for consistency) NO punch system - we would punch after processing - not sure how accurate this will be? Repeatability - remains to be proven - they are confident however. 2 INSTALLATIONS OUT WEST and more east? In summarizing - it seems like good value - G & J are renowned for their excellent processor products. Have not compared it to other products on the market (pricewise) (we paid +_$65,000 for DPX) I reflecting - I wish I had gone with metal plates - for their consistency and better press performance This may be an opportunity to do this - Also I wonder if we can use our existing rip?? Haven't asked them! (some saving perhaps?? GLUNZ & JENSEN, inc.- ELKWOOD VA 1-540-825-7300 - FAX 1-540-825-7525 USVA@GLUNZ-JENSEN.COM Good luck sincerely Michael Wolf THE WOLF PRINTING COMPANY email: michael@wolfiesprint.com Tel: 714.491.0500 Fax: 714.491.7276 1320 WEST SANTA ANA STREET (Just minutes from the Anaheim Convention Center) ANAHEIM, CA 92082 On-Line ordering at WWW.WOLFIESPRINT.COM PRINT - DESIGN - COPY - LABELS - STAMPS - WIDE FORMAT POSTERS & BANNERS PERSONAL SERVICE - PERSONAL SERVICE - PERSONAL SERVICE - PERSONAL SERVICE -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Arie Teomi Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 5:02 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Mitsubishi DPX Platesetter Service Woes (long) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** --- Mitch Eaton wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > We have an older Mitsubishi DPX Plate-setter. It has > been serviced regularly > and we take good care of it. There has not been any > real downtime during the > last couple of years to give us any concern. > > We are in central Iowa and have 3 dealers for this > Plate-Setter, XpedX, Fuji > Films Graphic Systems USA, Inc., and a regional > dealer named Printing and > Business Solutions. None of these dealers have a > local service technician on > staff (except PBS, who has a salesman that has been > through training many > years ago and only services machines when he's out > of options). > > All of these dealers rely on an independent service > technician that lives > here in Des Moines and has aspirations to become the > next Bass Master's > champion (a big red or yellow flag waving here). He > is a very good > technician when he's here, and his fishing > tournaments have never put me in > a bad situation. XpedX can pull service tech's from > Kansas City and Chicago. > Fuji can pull service tech's from Minneapolis. > > Late last Monday afternoon, not the most recent > Monday, but Monday March > 31st, our DPX RIP had a communication error with the > plate-setter. The local > service tech was in Alabama for the week at a > fishing tournament. We buy > most of our material from PBS, so I called the sales > rep let him know what > was going on and he agreed to stop by and see if he > could figure out what > was wrong. > > He showed bright and early Tuesday AM and proceeded > to spend the rest of > Tuesday on the phone with Mitsubishi trying to > diagnose the problem. No > luck. > > He comes back Wednesday, and by the end of the day > has determined that he > needs to order 2 boards for the plate-setter. He > places the order and has > them delivered on an early AM overnight delivery. No > problem, install the > boards and we're back in business. > > Thursday the boards arrive, only to find out, > Mitsubishi has sent one wrong > board. Now we have the replacement board on order > for an early Friday > overnight delivery. > > Friday, the board shows up, he shows up, puts the > boards in, starts up the > plate-setter, and promptly fries 2 or 3 of the newly > installed boards > (literally blowing up one of the capacitors on one > of the boards and melting > components on the other boards). > > All during the week I've had concerns about where > this is heading. The guy > working on the machine isn't instilling a lot of > confidence in me. I've > called XpedX and Fuji early in the process but their > techs were tied up for > the next few days, and when they heard someone else > was already working on > the problem, they were not too excited about getting > in the middle of the > call. In the end I was relying on information from > the original guy working > on the machine. > > When the plate-setter blows up on Friday, it's > determined that we need to > call in a Mitsubishi tech to take over. He's got to > come up from Dallas and > can't get here till Tuesday. He shows up bright and > early Tuesday, spends > all day on the machine with new parts he brings with > him, and by the end of > the day, he has to order new parts for Wednesday > morning. > > Wednesday, new parts show up, they are installed, > the machine still does not > work, and I'm still not any closer to knowing what > is wrong with this > machine. > > I call the Mitsubishi service manager this morning > after the Mitsubishi tech > comes to the end of his abilities. I now have > another tech from Mitsubishi > flying in from New York and will be here tomorrow. > > I'm at my wits end right now. I have never, in > almost 30 years in this > business, had a machine down for over a week. When > this started I would > never have believed we would be down this long. At > the end of most days, > there seemed to some degree of optimism, that we'd > be up and going by the > next day or so. > > I'm sending this email for several reasons. > > 1. Everyone likes to hear when someone else is > having major problems. It > gives you some perspective on the ones you are > facing during the day. > 2. If you have a plate-setter, make sure you have a > back-up plan for making > plates if it goes down (I'm still working on mine). > 3. If you don't have a back-up plan for making > plates, make sure you have > some type of redundancy for getting service. > 4. If you have sketchy local service, or your > regular tech can't get to you > for some reason, call in the Manufacturer's tech > early in the process. It > may end up saving you several days of downtime. It > hasn't saved me any time > yet, but I have reason to believe if I would have > called in Mitsubishi > service early in the process, I would have been up > long before now. > 5. If anyone has any advice on how much I should, or > should not, pay for > this fiasco I'm open for advice (I'll have a better > idea on how to handle > the situation when they finally determine what's > actually wrong my DPX). > 6. Any advice on new plate-setters would also be > welcomed. > > Since this has all started, I've been doing some > investigation to see what > plate-setters are being used in our area. Our DPX is > several years old, is > getting close to needing a new RIP, and is probably > ready to be replaced. It > appears that Kodak has the market share for large > and medium shops in our > area. Kodak also has 2 local technicians that work > for Kodak, not > independents. Kodak seems expensive (but so is being > down for 2 weeks). > There are several other plate-setters out there, > Printware, Presstek, etc., > but none of these manufacturers have local service, > and I feel like I'm back > in the same situation for service, that I have with > the DPX. We could also > look at another DPX. It's been reliable for many > years, with only a couple > of exceptions, including this one. I like the idea > of going with metal > plates, quality, latitude on press, etc. Any advice > is welcomed. > > Sorry for the long rant but this has been a long two > weeks. > > Mitch Eaton > The Printing Station > 1420 Locust Street > Des Moines, IA 50309 > 515-243-8144 > 866-866-7414 > Fax 515-243-6540 > mitch.eaton@printingstation.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3002 (20080404) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 11:10:42 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri Apr 4 11:10:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: <426D2917-F71D-46D6-BA18-8AC88ABF1F7A@inkonpaper.biz> References: <3AE8C959-B650-4FA4-A069-83276EC24938@inkonpaper.biz> <98f5b19a0804040739w76e55ecbqe93ae6dcdbf7b589@mail.gmail.com> <426D2917-F71D-46D6-BA18-8AC88ABF1F7A@inkonpaper.biz> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0804040910t548c098ar7b0692320ca33cc7@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Loren Maurina wrote: > > I could not agree with you less, if I tried. > > "Exact Pricing" ( to the penny) tell the consumer that you took the time to > find the best price for that Item. > > That's what I believe, and it is back by personal years of marketing and > retail experience. > > However, You can practice what you believe is correct. I'm not interested in > defending my practice any further. My comment was not meant as an attack. I, too have years of personal marketing and *sales* experience, and I have never experienced the "starting point for discounting" phenomenon to which you allude. I don't play that game with my customers; instead, before quoting a price, I strive to earn enough respect from my customers that they believe my price. I never considered that $435 was a "suspect" price, and I've personally had no empirical evidence to suggest otherwise. YMMV. But I suggest it's a matter of sales comportment and presentation. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ========================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From tufelkinder at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 11:22:58 2008 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Fri Apr 4 11:23:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0804040910t548c098ar7b0692320ca33cc7@mail.gmail.com> References: <3AE8C959-B650-4FA4-A069-83276EC24938@inkonpaper.biz> <98f5b19a0804040739w76e55ecbqe93ae6dcdbf7b589@mail.gmail.com> <426D2917-F71D-46D6-BA18-8AC88ABF1F7A@inkonpaper.biz> <98f5b19a0804040910t548c098ar7b0692320ca33cc7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0804040922r3ec423e8o727fb8d4c8e232d9@mail.gmail.com> Personally, when I'm making up a price out of thin air, I usually do something like, "$472.31" but when I have an actual price quote, I'll often round up or down to the nearest five just to make it prettier. :-) We love competing with the people in our area who mark up outsourced work at 100%. Nothing like a customer finding out that they've been paying printer X $3000 for the exact same quality of work and service that printer Y is selling for $1500. Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ What color is a chameleon on a mirror? From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Fri Apr 4 11:30:14 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Fri Apr 4 11:30:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: <200804041521.m34FKlQL069940@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: I'll watch the videos if you think they are that good Scott, but there is still a reasonable amount of money anything should cost. I'm not going to start charing $5 a color copy and get away with it. Most of my consumers are fairly educated and have an idea of what printing costs. I'm not the cheapest, but I'm always reasonable. Regards, Borzou www.falconprintandcopy.com t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 > From: Scott Cappel > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 08:19:21 -0700 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Its not the cost that allows the 100% Barzou, its the sales ability > that allows the 100% > > http://tinyurl.com/33gjq9 > > S. > > > > At 06:01 AM 4/4/2008, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Is this standard for everyone else? My minimum mark-up is 40%, but I rarely >> am able to get to 100%. I've always wondered what the standard was though. >> I frankly don't think my "wholesalers" don't give me good enough prices to >> do it. If everyone is closer to 100%, does anyone know any great wholesale >> printers? Not 4over, who we use and are happy with, but someone for custom >> jobs. >> >> >> Borzou Azabdaftari >> Falcon Print and Copy >> 1921 Gallows Road >> Suite 150 >> Vienna, VA 22182 >> t.703.442.0124 >> f.703.442.0134 >> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: Thom Gulyas >>> Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >>> >>> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 03:03:28 -0400 >>> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >>> >>> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. >>> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> 50% margin..... >>> >>> Thom Gulyas >>> ACE Printing & Mailing >>> www.acepm.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 4:28 PM, John Schroeder >> wrote: >>> >>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What markups are you applying to jobs produced by >>>> print wholesalers. >>>> >>>> Invoice to us is $2000.00. >>>> >>>> 50% markup results in sale price of $3000.00 - margin is 33% >>>> >>>> 75% markup results in a sale price of $3500.00 - margin is 43% >>>> >>>> 100% markup results in a sale price of $4000.00 - margin is 50% >>>> >>>> >>>> What would you quote as a final price? >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> John Schroeder >>>> Fox Printing >>>> 802-658-9196 >>>> john@foxprinting.biz >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thom Gulyas >>> ACE Printing & Mailing >>> Berlin, Maryland 21811 >>> www.acepm.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3003 (20080404) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From bob at rjmprinting.com Fri Apr 4 11:42:51 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Fri Apr 4 11:42:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: <84f70d5e0804040922r3ec423e8o727fb8d4c8e232d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I don't understand why you would be selling at wholesale prices? If you have the capabilities in house your price may be less then $3000 but it should be more then the $1500 price a wholesaler would give. Just my opinion but in my mind you are leaving money on the table. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Walt Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 11:23 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Personally, when I'm making up a price out of thin air, I usually do something like, "$472.31" but when I have an actual price quote, I'll often round up or down to the nearest five just to make it prettier. :-) We love competing with the people in our area who mark up outsourced work at 100%. Nothing like a customer finding out that they've been paying printer X $3000 for the exact same quality of work and service that printer Y is selling for $1500. Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ What color is a chameleon on a mirror? _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 11:58:05 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri Apr 4 11:58:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: References: <200804041521.m34FKlQL069940@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0804040958i404ab4d5qdad7f296c086dbcb@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > > I'll watch the videos if you think they are that good Scott, but there is > still a reasonable amount of money anything should cost. I'm not going to > start charing $5 a color copy and get away with it. Most of my consumers > are fairly educated and have an idea of what printing costs. I'm not the > cheapest, but I'm always reasonable. "Reasonable" is the right price. But some are better able than others to establish a higher "reasonable" value. That's why you should hear/read Larry Steinmetz. There are many things that can be done to increase perceived value. Those who are less adept at doing so, or are not in tune with their customers' perceptions, are likely to be selling at lower reasonable prices than those who are more adept at this art/skill. Just being aware of the difference, and believing that there is a range of valid "reasonable" prices is a good start. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ========================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 12:16:28 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri Apr 4 12:16:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: References: <200804041521.m34FKlQL069940@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0804041016u26f803bdw2caddac57d6c58e3@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > > Most of my consumers > are fairly educated and have an idea of what printing costs. Think about that, Borzou. It would be tough to justify $5 for a color copy, but amongst us -- a large group of printers whose participation here suggests a certain amount of awareness -- we can't agree on the price of anything! What knowledge base do your "fairly educated" customers have access to that we don't? If they're internet savvy, they've no doubt seen some very low printing prices advertised. How do you think you get away with much higher ones? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ========================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From eric at digi-print.com Fri Apr 4 12:16:27 2008 From: eric at digi-print.com (Eric Weber) Date: Fri Apr 4 12:17:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Operating Ratio Study-confirmation??? In-Reply-To: <044c01c8966d$fe50a9c0$faf1fd40$@com> References: <001401c8951b$a19cc2c0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> <690899.62116.qm@web83404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <044c01c8966d$fe50a9c0$faf1fd40$@com> Message-ID: I completed the ration study and submitted it on-line. I thought I had seen somewhere that I would receive a confirmation email ... but I haven't. Am I smokin' sumpin'?? -- *********************************************************************** Eric Weber Sales / General Manager / Vice President PrintDigital Inc. 4688 Darrow Rd., Stow, OH 44224 330-686-5945 Fax 330-686-5329 www.digi-print.com eric@digi-print.com ***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and delete this copy from your system. Thank you for your co-operation. *********************************************************************** From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Apr 4 12:21:44 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Apr 4 12:23:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: References: <200804041521.m34FKlQL069940@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <200804041723.m34HNBEv099422@i2bnetworks.com> They'll change your life buddy. S. At 09:30 AM 4/4/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I'll watch the videos if you think they are that good Scott, but there is >still a reasonable amount of money anything should cost. I'm not going to >start charing $5 a color copy and get away with it. Most of my consumers >are fairly educated and have an idea of what printing costs. I'm not the >cheapest, but I'm always reasonable. > >Regards, > >Borzou > > >www.falconprintandcopy.com >t.703.442.0124 >f.703.442.0134 > > > > > > > > > From: Scott Cappel > > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > > > Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 08:19:21 -0700 > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > Its not the cost that allows the 100% Barzou, its the sales ability > > that allows the 100% > > > > http://tinyurl.com/33gjq9 > > > > S. > > > > > > > > At 06:01 AM 4/4/2008, you wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> > >> Is this standard for everyone else? My minimum mark-up is 40%, > but I rarely > >> am able to get to 100%. I've always wondered what the standard > was though. > >> I frankly don't think my "wholesalers" don't give me good enough prices to > >> do it. If everyone is closer to 100%, does anyone know any > great wholesale > >> printers? Not 4over, who we use and are happy with, but someone > for custom > >> jobs. > >> > >> > >> Borzou Azabdaftari > >> Falcon Print and Copy > >> 1921 Gallows Road > >> Suite 150 > >> Vienna, VA 22182 > >> t.703.442.0124 > >> f.703.442.0134 > >> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> From: Thom Gulyas > >>> Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > >>> > >>> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 03:03:28 -0400 > >>> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. > >>> > >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >>> > >>> 50% margin..... > >>> > >>> Thom Gulyas > >>> ACE Printing & Mailing > >>> www.acepm.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 4:28 PM, John Schroeder > >> wrote: > >>> > >>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> What markups are you applying to jobs produced by > >>>> print wholesalers. > >>>> > >>>> Invoice to us is $2000.00. > >>>> > >>>> 50% markup results in sale price of $3000.00 - margin is 33% > >>>> > >>>> 75% markup results in a sale price of $3500.00 - margin is 43% > >>>> > >>>> 100% markup results in a sale price of $4000.00 - margin is 50% > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> What would you quote as a final price? > >>>> > >>>> Thanks. > >>>> > >>>> John > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> John Schroeder > >>>> Fox Printing > >>>> 802-658-9196 > >>>> john@foxprinting.biz > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> PrintOwners Discussion List > >>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Thom Gulyas > >>> ACE Printing & Mailing > >>> Berlin, Maryland 21811 > >>> www.acepm.com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> PrintOwners Discussion List > >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> PrintOwners Discussion List > >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >> > >> > >> __________ NOD32 3003 (20080404) Information __________ > >> > >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >> http://www.eset.com > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Scott Cappel > > > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > > 7398 Trade Street > > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > > 858-527-0800 > > 858-527-1740 FAX > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > > > LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > > > Direct Links for Learning: > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3003 (20080404) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From vern at fosterpress.com Fri Apr 4 12:23:22 2008 From: vern at fosterpress.com (Vern Foster) Date: Fri Apr 4 12:23:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Operating Ratio Study-confirmation??? In-Reply-To: References: <001401c8951b$a19cc2c0$f901a8c0@MitchDell><690899.62116.qm@web83404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><044c01c8966d$fe50a9c0$faf1fd40$@com> Message-ID: <005e01c89678$9596f780$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> Same stuff I am, cause I thought the same thing and have not received my confirmation yet either. ======================================== Vern Foster ~ Foster Press ~ Lake Stevens, WA vern@fosterpress.com ~ 425-334-9317 ======================================== -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Eric Weber Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 10:16 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Operating Ratio Study-confirmation??? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I completed the ration study and submitted it on-line. I thought I had seen somewhere that I would receive a confirmation email ... but I haven't. Am I smokin' sumpin'?? -- *********************************************************************** Eric Weber Sales / General Manager / Vice President PrintDigital Inc. 4688 Darrow Rd., Stow, OH 44224 330-686-5945 Fax 330-686-5329 www.digi-print.com eric@digi-print.com ***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and delete this copy from your system. Thank you for your co-operation. *********************************************************************** _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri Apr 4 12:25:42 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri Apr 4 12:26:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Operating Ratio Study-confirmation??? Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/2008 1:19:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, eric@digi-print.com writes: I completed the ration study and submitted it on-line. I thought I had seen somewhere that I would receive a confirmation email ... but I haven't. Am I smokin' sumpin'?? Just checked and your survey was received. Thanks. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Fri Apr 4 12:39:03 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Fri Apr 4 12:39:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: <200804041723.m34HNBEv099422@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: Thanks Michael and Scott. I'll get back to you after having seen/heard them. Regards, Borzou www.falconprintandcopy.com t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 > From: Scott Cappel > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:21:44 -0700 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > They'll change your life buddy. > > S. > > > > At 09:30 AM 4/4/2008, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I'll watch the videos if you think they are that good Scott, but there is >> still a reasonable amount of money anything should cost. I'm not going to >> start charing $5 a color copy and get away with it. Most of my consumers >> are fairly educated and have an idea of what printing costs. I'm not the >> cheapest, but I'm always reasonable. >> >> Regards, >> >> Borzou >> >> >> www.falconprintandcopy.com >> t.703.442.0124 >> f.703.442.0134 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: Scott Cappel >>> Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >>> >>> Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 08:19:21 -0700 >>> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >>> >>> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. >>> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> >>> Its not the cost that allows the 100% Barzou, its the sales ability >>> that allows the 100% >>> >>> http://tinyurl.com/33gjq9 >>> >>> S. >>> >>> >>> >>> At 06:01 AM 4/4/2008, you wrote: >>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>> >>>> Is this standard for everyone else? My minimum mark-up is 40%, >> but I rarely >>>> am able to get to 100%. I've always wondered what the standard >> was though. >>>> I frankly don't think my "wholesalers" don't give me good enough prices to >>>> do it. If everyone is closer to 100%, does anyone know any >> great wholesale >>>> printers? Not 4over, who we use and are happy with, but someone >> for custom >>>> jobs. >>>> >>>> >>>> Borzou Azabdaftari >>>> Falcon Print and Copy >>>> 1921 Gallows Road >>>> Suite 150 >>>> Vienna, VA 22182 >>>> t.703.442.0124 >>>> f.703.442.0134 >>>> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: Thom Gulyas >>>>> Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >>>>> >>>>> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 03:03:28 -0400 >>>>> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. >>>>> >>>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>>> >>>>> 50% margin..... >>>>> >>>>> Thom Gulyas >>>>> ACE Printing & Mailing >>>>> www.acepm.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 4:28 PM, John Schroeder >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What markups are you applying to jobs produced by >>>>>> print wholesalers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Invoice to us is $2000.00. >>>>>> >>>>>> 50% markup results in sale price of $3000.00 - margin is 33% >>>>>> >>>>>> 75% markup results in a sale price of $3500.00 - margin is 43% >>>>>> >>>>>> 100% markup results in a sale price of $4000.00 - margin is 50% >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What would you quote as a final price? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> John >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> John Schroeder >>>>>> Fox Printing >>>>>> 802-658-9196 >>>>>> john@foxprinting.biz >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Thom Gulyas >>>>> ACE Printing & Mailing >>>>> Berlin, Maryland 21811 >>>>> www.acepm.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ NOD32 3003 (20080404) Information __________ >>>> >>>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> >>> Scott Cappel >>> >>> Sorrento Mesa Printing >>> 7398 Trade Street >>> San Diego, CA 92121-2422 >>> 858-527-0800 >>> 858-527-1740 FAX >>> http://www.sorrentomesa.com >>> >>> LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa >>> >>> Direct Links for Learning: >>> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html >>> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html >>> http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html >>> >>> Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider >>> Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider >>> Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level >>> Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider >>> >>> Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3003 (20080404) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From copythatnyc at aol.com Fri Apr 4 12:46:17 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Fri Apr 4 12:46:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: <426D2917-F71D-46D6-BA18-8AC88ABF1F7A@inkonpaper.biz> References: <3AE8C959-B650-4FA4-A069-83276EC24938@inkonpaper.biz> <98f5b19a0804040739w76e55ecbqe93ae6dcdbf7b589@mail.gmail.com> <426D2917-F71D-46D6-BA18-8AC88ABF1F7A@inkonpaper.biz> Message-ID: <8CA6492EB79A437-928-8DD@webmail-db08.sysops.aol.com> I must agree with you.? I find that it doesn't leave anything open for client to start the "Old" can you do better conversation.? I've closed more orders with this pricing method than going to the nearest dollar amount. eg...? OPEN for price quarrel? $120.?? $121.46? <--- No questions asked. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Loren Maurina To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:59 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? On Apr 4, 2008, at 10:39 AM, Michael Vogel wrote:? ? > $433.82 is not a "customer-centric" price. It is the awkward result of? > multiplication. Why not apply at least the one additional step to? > final pricing of considering the result subjectively?? ? I could not agree with you less, if I tried.? I have always believed that "Rounded Prices" were an easy starting point for discounting. They indicate that? the seller pulled one out of his @#$%^!? "Exact Pricing" ( to the penny) tell the consumer that you took the time to find the best price for that Item.? ? That's what I believe, and it is back by personal years of marketing and retail experience.? ? However, You can practice what you believe is correct. I'm not interested in defending my practice any further.? ? Loren Maurina? President? L & L Printing, Inc.? dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp? dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren? ? ph (586) 263-0060? fx (586) 263-4895? ? Loren@InkOnPaper.biz? ? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From greg at ajprinting.com Fri Apr 4 13:09:53 2008 From: greg at ajprinting.com (greg@ajprinting.com) Date: Fri Apr 4 13:10:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Operating Ratio Study-confirmation??? In-Reply-To: <005e01c89678$9596f780$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> References: <001401c8951b$a19cc2c0$f901a8c0@MitchDell><690899.62116.qm@web83404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><044c01c8966d$fe50a9c0$faf1fd40$@com><005e01c89678$9596f780$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> Message-ID: <1627309114-1207332598-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1748688978-@bxe112.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Vern Foster" Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:23:22 To:"'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Operating Ratio Study-confirmation??? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Same stuff I am, cause I thought the same thing and have not received my confirmation yet either. ======================================== Vern Foster ~ Foster Press ~ Lake Stevens, WA vern@fosterpress.com ~ 425-334-9317 ======================================== -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Eric Weber Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 10:16 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Operating Ratio Study-confirmation??? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I completed the ration study and submitted it on-line. I thought I had seen somewhere that I would receive a confirmation email ... but I haven't. Am I smokin' sumpin'?? -- *********************************************************************** Eric Weber Sales / General Manager / Vice President PrintDigital Inc. 4688 Darrow Rd., Stow, OH 44224 330-686-5945 Fax 330-686-5329 www.digi-print.com eric@digi-print.com ***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and delete this copy from your system. Thank you for your co-operation. *********************************************************************** _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From acepm2 at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 13:19:32 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Fri Apr 4 13:19:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Operating Ratio Study-confirmation??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey John, just curious, how many folks have responded so far? Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:25 PM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 4/4/2008 1:19:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > eric@digi-print.com writes: > > I completed the ration study and submitted it on-line. > > I thought I had seen somewhere that I would receive a confirmation > email ... but I haven't. > > Am I smokin' sumpin'?? > > > > > Just checked and your survey was received. Thanks. > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. > ( > http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016 > ) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri Apr 4 13:23:40 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri Apr 4 13:23:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Operating Ratio Study-confirmation??? Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/2008 2:10:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, greg@ajprinting.com writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Same stuff I am, cause I thought the same thing and have not received my confirmation yet either. Nasty rumors! To the best of my knowledge, after checking with NAQP headquarters, a confirmation was not promised. On the other hand, you can check with NAQP at 1-800-234-0040 and ask them to confirm for you if your survey was received. System has been pretty bullet proof so if you submitted it properly it was no doubt received. Note, we are approaching the 400 magic number (beyond that, participants not eligible for customized report). Good news is the deadline, at the request of many members was extended slightly to allow two more weekends. New deadline set in concrete is April 14th. More good news is that it is the most reliable and largest set of data we have received in the past 12-15 years or so. I have had a chance to look at preliminary figures and the final study should prove to be a real eye-opener for many in the industry, large or small, low or high profit. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri Apr 4 13:27:36 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri Apr 4 13:27:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Operating Ratio Study-confirmation??? Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/2008 2:20:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, acepm2@gmail.com writes: Hey John, just curious, how many folks have responded so far? More than 320 at last count and with new, slightly extended deadline of April 14th we may reach the magic number of 400... after that, no more surveys will be accepted. If we reach 350, that will be a 52% increase in participation over the last Op. Ratio Survey. If you've procrastinated and now would like to participate, you can go to: _www.surveyadvantage.com/naqpors_ (http://www.surveyadvantage.com/naqpors) John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri Apr 4 13:40:07 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri Apr 4 13:40:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Last chance to receive free personalized financial analysis Message-ID: I just posted something similar to the following a bit earlier but it was under a less than descriptive subject heading. So I thought I would repost the information under the above heading. The bottom line is that participation in this year's Operating Ratio Survey has been excellent. At last count, more than 320 surveys have been received. The maximum allowable number of participants, because of the unique customized nature of the final reports, is set at 400. After that, the system will lock out and not allow additional participants, and that is LOCKED IN STONE!!!! >From a participation level, especially considering the confidentiality of the data and the moderate level of difficulty in gather the information required, the response level has been excellent. If we reach 350, it will represent a 52% increase over the last survey, and reaching the 400 level will represent a 68% increase over 2006-2007 levels. I think folks are going to be exceptionally pleased when they see the final results and are able to look at the numbers they supplied and compare them to adjoining columns containing various breakouts based upon sales, profitability, etc. If you've procrastinated and now think you would like to participate, you can go to: _www.surveyadvantage.com/naqpors_ (http://www.surveyadvantage.com/naqpors) for complete instructions. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Fri Apr 4 13:55:11 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Fri Apr 4 13:55:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] ORS question - Market Size Message-ID: <9820AB01-AC0B-414C-8C21-201334DC1386@inkonpaper.biz> We do this kind of survey each year and I always have a big question about market size We are a suburb of Detroit ( 20 mile north of downtown, 12 miles north of city limits) Obviously that would be a Major Market, But we don't attempt to sell into the entire area. We actually keep our marketing to an area that might be 500, 000 What should I claim is my market area? Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Wed Apr 2 13:11:57 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Fri Apr 4 14:00:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PageMaker Conversion with embedded graphics In-Reply-To: References: <009101c89444$e5e9c950$042967d3@kp4> <00b801c89448$2f304d70$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <47F3CC6D.9030403@satx.rr.com> This is why I keep a copy of Pagemaker on a box. It handles graphics differently than ID does. I am right now going back to a file that the customer has not used in at least 7 years with a similar problem. The graphics are embedded. I will open the file change them to links and open in ID so 7 years frm now when he reorders prescription pads I will be able to convert to what ever I'm using then. Good luck! Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Scott Finke wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Wow, I actually received a PageMaker file yesterday. I am converting > it to InDesign, but have a question. > > The file (it is a highschool reunion book) is picture-heavy. The pix > are embedded into PageMaker, but do not seem to 'convert' to ID. Do > they have to have the original images to link to in ID? > > I am certain a lot of these pictures were scanned, embedded into PM > and then discarded. > > > Thanks! > > Scott Finke > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Visit our new location! > > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Phone: (513) 522.2679 > Fax (513) 522.2692 > Email: info@brentwood-printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > www.Brentwood-Printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Send us your file at: > http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Quick. Quality. Printing > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Wed Apr 2 13:17:08 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Fri Apr 4 14:00:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PageMaker Conversion with embedded graphics In-Reply-To: References: <009101c89444$e5e9c950$042967d3@kp4> <00b801c89448$2f304d70$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <47F3CDA4.3080902@satx.rr.com> I just had a thought on saving this. If you can get it open IN PM you can copy and paste the graphics to the correct program, (like PhotoShop) and save them out for links. Then you can open it in ID and relink it all. Sounds like a BIG DTP charge is going to be in order here. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Scott Finke wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Wow, I actually received a PageMaker file yesterday. I am converting > it to InDesign, but have a question. > > The file (it is a highschool reunion book) is picture-heavy. The pix > are embedded into PageMaker, but do not seem to 'convert' to ID. Do > they have to have the original images to link to in ID? > > I am certain a lot of these pictures were scanned, embedded into PM > and then discarded. > > > Thanks! > > Scott Finke > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Visit our new location! > > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Phone: (513) 522.2679 > Fax (513) 522.2692 > Email: info@brentwood-printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > www.Brentwood-Printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Send us your file at: > http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Quick. Quality. Printing > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri Apr 4 14:12:56 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri Apr 4 14:13:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] ORS question - Market Size Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/2008 2:56:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Loren@inkonpaper.biz writes: We actually keep our marketing to an area that might be 500, 000 What should I claim is my market area? probably the latter. That would be my suggestion. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) From tufelkinder at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 14:33:18 2008 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Fri Apr 4 14:33:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: References: <84f70d5e0804040922r3ec423e8o727fb8d4c8e232d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0804041233i25ff23a9m681905898c67ca0c@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Bob Molacek wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I don't understand why you would be selling at wholesale prices? If you > have the capabilities in house your price may be less then $3000 but it > should be more then the $1500 price a wholesaler would give. Just my > opinion but in my mind you are leaving money on the table. My point is that in the bidding process, bidding 30% (or more) over your competition is unlikely to win bids. Basically, you're penalizing a customer for using your company because you don't have the equipment to produce their job in-house. But you're right; my numbers were just tossed out there. It would probably more like printer X charging $3k for a job that costs $2k from printer Y -- and both printers could be making the same profit on the job. In addition, outsourcers tend to find themselves in the position of having to get the lowest available price so that they can still double it and yet remain vaguely competitive, which makes them the very kind of customer they avoid. :-) Primarily, I think charging a fair and accurate price for a job is more likely to win long-term customers than charging double value, and let's face it: the web is bringing those wholesale prices closer to the customer all the time. Ads come up in my gmail every time I mention brochures about 5000 4/4 brochures for $99. Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ What color is a chameleon on a mirror? From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Fri Apr 4 14:47:53 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Fri Apr 4 14:49:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Operating Ratio Study-confirmation??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was promised, and received, a confirmation and link to print my respoonses. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 1:24 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Operating Ratio Study-confirmation??? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 4/4/2008 2:10:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, greg@ajprinting.com writes: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Same stuff I am, cause I thought the same thing and have not received my confirmation yet either. Nasty rumors! To the best of my knowledge, after checking with NAQP headquarters, a confirmation was not promised. On the other hand, you can check with NAQP at 1-800-234-0040 and ask them to confirm for you if your survey was received. System has been pretty bullet proof so if you submitted it properly it was no doubt received. Note, we are approaching the 400 magic number (beyond that, participants not eligible for customized report). Good news is the deadline, at the request of many members was extended slightly to allow two more weekends. New deadline set in concrete is April 14th. More good news is that it is the most reliable and largest set of data we have received in the past 12-15 years or so. I have had a chance to look at preliminary figures and the final study should prove to be a real eye-opener for many in the industry, large or small, low or high profit. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Fri Apr 4 14:52:58 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Fri Apr 4 14:53:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0804041016u26f803bdw2caddac57d6c58e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: And Mike I do very much blame other printers erratic pricing for these issues. I believe those who are going to thrive will be those with the higher pricing, and the shops that are doing dirt cheap printing, are really just riding it out until they close. Regards, Borzou www.falconprintandcopy.com t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 > From: Michael Vogel > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:16:28 -0400 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Borzou Azabdaftari > wrote: >> >> Most of my consumers >> are fairly educated and have an idea of what printing costs. > > > Think about that, Borzou. It would be tough to justify $5 for a color > copy, but amongst us -- a large group of printers whose participation > here suggests a certain amount of awareness -- we can't agree on the > price of anything! What knowledge base do your "fairly educated" > customers have access to that we don't? If they're internet savvy, > they've no doubt seen some very low printing prices advertised. How do > you think you get away with much higher ones? > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ========================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri Apr 4 15:01:58 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri Apr 4 15:02:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Operating Ratio Study-confirmation??? Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/2008 3:55:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark@pipsturgeonbay.com writes: I was promised, and received, a confirmation and link to print my respoonses. That's because you were a PIP. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Fri Apr 4 15:08:16 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Fri Apr 4 15:08:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] ORS Survey - small complaint Message-ID: <26677244-7D83-4FCD-8963-BD614AF50722@inkonpaper.biz> Just a small complaint I did the survey using Safari version 3.0.4 The first page did not align to my screen ( 17") had to scroll to the right and then back to enter info and several of the entries that I would have thought would( or could) be auto calculated were not Over all it was easy. Thanks, in advance, to those responsible for this service. Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Fri Apr 4 16:12:58 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Fri Apr 4 16:14:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Operating Ratio Study-confirmation??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Now I feel special! Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 3:02 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Operating Ratio Study-confirmation??? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** That's because you were a PIP. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Fri Apr 4 16:14:07 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Fri Apr 4 16:15:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: References: <98f5b19a0804041016u26f803bdw2caddac57d6c58e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I bought out a competitor 12 years ago and ran across a job he outsourced. His cost was $875. His sale price was $975. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 2:53 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** And Mike I do very much blame other printers erratic pricing for these issues. I believe those who are going to thrive will be those with the higher pricing, and the shops that are doing dirt cheap printing, are really just riding it out until they close. Regards, Borzou www.falconprintandcopy.com t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 > From: Michael Vogel > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:16:28 -0400 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Borzou Azabdaftari > wrote: >> >> Most of my consumers >> are fairly educated and have an idea of what printing costs. > > > Think about that, Borzou. It would be tough to justify $5 for a color > copy, but amongst us -- a large group of printers whose participation > here suggests a certain amount of awareness -- we can't agree on the > price of anything! What knowledge base do your "fairly educated" > customers have access to that we don't? If they're internet savvy, > they've no doubt seen some very low printing prices advertised. How do > you think you get away with much higher ones? > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ========================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or > condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From bob at rjmprinting.com Fri Apr 4 16:32:01 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Fri Apr 4 16:32:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We just ran a job for another printer, who is a friend, and there was additional file work and we were going to charge him for it. He said as long as it's not over $75 that's my profit on the job. This was a $3,500 wholesale copy job for 300 books. He marked it up 25 cents per book. I was stunned. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lake Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:14 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I bought out a competitor 12 years ago and ran across a job he outsourced. His cost was $875. His sale price was $975. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 2:53 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** And Mike I do very much blame other printers erratic pricing for these issues. I believe those who are going to thrive will be those with the higher pricing, and the shops that are doing dirt cheap printing, are really just riding it out until they close. Regards, Borzou www.falconprintandcopy.com t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 > From: Michael Vogel > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:16:28 -0400 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Borzou Azabdaftari > wrote: >> >> Most of my consumers >> are fairly educated and have an idea of what printing costs. > > > Think about that, Borzou. It would be tough to justify $5 for a color > copy, but amongst us -- a large group of printers whose participation > here suggests a certain amount of awareness -- we can't agree on the > price of anything! What knowledge base do your "fairly educated" > customers have access to that we don't? If they're internet savvy, > they've no doubt seen some very low printing prices advertised. How do > you think you get away with much higher ones? > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ========================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or > condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From rstor at copycats.com Fri Apr 4 16:46:40 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Fri Apr 4 16:48:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: <84f70d5e0804041233i25ff23a9m681905898c67ca0c@mail.gmail.com> References: <84f70d5e0804040922r3ec423e8o727fb8d4c8e232d9@mail.gmail.com> <84f70d5e0804041233i25ff23a9m681905898c67ca0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F6A1C0.6020003@copycats.com> If I can't make my profit target on an outsourced job, I would rather not get the job. When you outsource you incur many risks. You put your reputation in someone else's hands. If the job bounces and you guarantee your work, as we do, you occasionally have to eat the job unless your vendor buys into your customer service philosophy 100%. These risks need to be paid for, otherwise they are not worth incurring. In addition there are hidden costs - shipping, proofs, CSR time, floating receivables, pre-press time, etc. Many printers think of outsource work as marginal revenue and don't burden it with overhead costs. 30% markup not nearly enough to compensate me for the risk and to ensure the kind of profit that I want. If you find yourself selling as part of a "bidding process" on a regular basis you are talking to the wrong prospects or saying the wrong things. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Walt wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Bob Molacek wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I don't understand why you would be selling at wholesale prices? If you >> have the capabilities in house your price may be less then $3000 but it >> should be more then the $1500 price a wholesaler would give. Just my >> opinion but in my mind you are leaving money on the table. >> > > My point is that in the bidding process, bidding 30% (or more) > over your competition is unlikely to win bids. Basically, you're > penalizing a customer for using your company because > you don't have the equipment to produce their job in-house. > > But you're right; my numbers were just tossed out there. > It would probably more like printer X charging $3k for a > job that costs $2k from printer Y -- and both printers could > be making the same profit on the job. In addition, outsourcers > tend to find themselves in the position of having to get > the lowest available price so that they can still double it > and yet remain vaguely competitive, which makes them > the very kind of customer they avoid. :-) > > Primarily, I think charging a fair and accurate price for a > job is more likely to win long-term customers than charging > double value, and let's face it: the web is bringing those > wholesale prices closer to the customer all the time. Ads > come up in my gmail every time I mention brochures about > 5000 4/4 brochures for $99. > > > Walt > > Mercersburg Printing > Mercersburg, PA > http://mercersburg.net > 800-955-3902 > tufelkinder@gmail.com > > -~ > > What color is a chameleon on a mirror? > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From rstor at copycats.com Fri Apr 4 16:53:57 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Fri Apr 4 16:55:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47F6A375.1090903@copycats.com> He probably sold it for less that you would have at retail. So you seem to be in price competition with yourself 8-) Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Bob Molacek wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We just ran a job for another printer, who is a friend, and there was > additional file work and we were going to charge him for it. He said as > long as it's not over $75 that's my profit on the job. This was a $3,500 > wholesale copy job for 300 books. He marked it up 25 cents per book. I was > stunned. > > Bob Molacek > Sir Speedy Printing > 7793 Ranchers Road > Fridley, MN 55432 > 763-571-4608 > bob@rjmprinting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lake > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:14 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I bought out a competitor 12 years ago and ran across a job he outsourced. > His cost was $875. His sale price was $975. > > > Mark Lake > PIP Printing > 368 Jefferson Street > Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 > 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax > www.pipsturgeonbay.com > Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com > > To send a file to us, please use the link below > http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 2:53 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > And Mike I do very much blame other printers erratic pricing for these > issues. I believe those who are going to thrive will be those with the > higher pricing, and the shops that are doing dirt cheap printing, are really > just riding it out until they close. > > Regards, > > Borzou > > > www.falconprintandcopy.com > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > > > > > > > > >> From: Michael Vogel >> Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:16:28 -0400 >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Borzou Azabdaftari >> wrote: >> >>> Most of my consumers >>> are fairly educated and have an idea of what printing costs. >>> >> Think about that, Borzou. It would be tough to justify $5 for a color >> copy, but amongst us -- a large group of printers whose participation >> here suggests a certain amount of awareness -- we can't agree on the >> price of anything! What knowledge base do your "fairly educated" >> customers have access to that we don't? If they're internet savvy, >> they've no doubt seen some very low printing prices advertised. How do >> you think you get away with much higher ones? >> >> >> -- >> Michael Vogel >> Sir Speedy Printing >> 9 Research Drive >> Milford, CT 06460 >> tel 203-877-1231 >> fax 203-878-2679 >> mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com >> www.eSirSpeedy.com >> ========================================== >> Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or >> condemn but to weigh and consider. >> ~Lord Bacon >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database > version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) > Database version: 5.09520 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 17:21:52 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri Apr 4 17:23:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. In-Reply-To: <47F6A1C0.6020003@copycats.com> References: <84f70d5e0804040922r3ec423e8o727fb8d4c8e232d9@mail.gmail.com> <84f70d5e0804041233i25ff23a9m681905898c67ca0c@mail.gmail.com> <47F6A1C0.6020003@copycats.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0804041521v1c27d440ha5f046a34bbce104@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Robert Stor wrote: > > In addition there are hidden costs - shipping, proofs, CSR time, floating > receivables, pre-press time, etc. > > Many printers think of outsource work as marginal revenue and don't burden > it with overhead costs. Good points, Bob. Which is why I'm an advocate of activity-based pricing to the extent that it's possible. Final price of a brokered job must include charges above and beyond the markup. We'll add any or all of the following: 5-10% to hard cost to arrive at the base cost that will get final markup to selling price (covers floating receivables, and contributes to self-insuring against the eventual probability of having to eat one); handling charges for sourcing, quoting, and generating purchase orders; and all preflighting, prepress and proofing time. If we know shipping cost ahead of time, we typically add that in before the markup unless the situation is competitive, in which case it becomes an add-on or is marked up at a lower percentage. I would urge anyone not including the above to rethink the validity of theses charges. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ========================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From greg at pressexpress.org Fri Apr 4 17:34:56 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Fri Apr 4 17:35:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Heidelberg PrintMaster QM-42 Message-ID: <5E542540-DEEF-4867-9E04-EDD785C5A0C4@pressexpress.org> Is there an instruction video or manual to train press operators that anyone knows of? Maybe someone has an old one collecting dust that is no longer used they would like to unload? Thanks Greg Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From Minmandon at aol.com Sat Apr 5 09:49:22 2008 From: Minmandon at aol.com (Minmandon@aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 5 09:50:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] markups on brokered printing. Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/2008 10:34:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Loren@inkonpaper.biz writes: "Exact Pricing" ( to the penny) tell the consumer that you took the time to find the best price for that Item. Loren, I very much agree with your point. I have found that prices given off of the top of your head are negotiable. Pricing taken off a price sheet are not. I have my two CSR's that, when giving a price are required to pull out the price sheets and point to the price that they given. They virtually never get an argument. And just this week we added $3 to every item on the BCT retail price sheet. Last year we added $5 & not one person complained. Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield 954 421-9904 **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) From rmeier at goinsty.com Sat Apr 5 11:35:17 2008 From: rmeier at goinsty.com (R. Meier) Date: Sat Apr 5 11:35:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Heidelberg PrintMaster QM-42 In-Reply-To: <5E542540-DEEF-4867-9E04-EDD785C5A0C4@pressexpress.org> References: <5E542540-DEEF-4867-9E04-EDD785C5A0C4@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: <47F7AA45.2090601@goinsty.com> Greg, Let me look around. I have the video, but if I remember correctly, it was pretty thin. You may be well served to contact Heidelberg and pay for a trainer to come up. Ask for a price, though and make sure you are comfortable with it. It will be expensive. I'll let you know on the video. Rob _____________________________ Rob Meier Insty-Prints 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-1959 Greg Weinfurter wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Is there an instruction video or manual to train press operators that > anyone knows of? > > Maybe someone has an old one collecting dust that is no longer used > they would like to unload? > > Thanks > > Greg > > > Press Express > 1869 N. Stevens St. > Rhinelander, WI 54501 > Phone 715-362-2828 > Fax 715-369-2828 > info@pressexpress.org > > Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider > Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider > > From eugene at zapcolor.com Sun Apr 6 16:14:55 2008 From: eugene at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Sun Apr 6 16:15:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Washington DC printers? In-Reply-To: <20080404164259.0F40FEB63FF@rb.enter.net> References: <20080404164259.0F40FEB63FF@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <3CA9E484-1D98-413F-BB12-3D3CBBC9564B@zapcolor.com> We are traveling to DC next week and may have some time to visit a shop or 2? Anyone on list close by or have any ideas? Also any great ideas of things to see (we have been there many years ago) and places to eat? Paula and I are both going and have been invited to a pretty cool reception on the 16th. and I have meetings the 15th during the day. > Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From michael at sirspeedy7099.com Sun Apr 6 19:11:33 2008 From: michael at sirspeedy7099.com (michael@sirspeedy7099.com) Date: Sun Apr 6 19:11:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Washington DC printers? Message-ID: If you didn't see it when you where there last check out the The Bureau of Engraving and Printing. I found this link first: http://www.tourofdc.org/tours/BureauOfEngravingAndPrinting/ but remembered reading that you need a reservation and then found this one which is a little more official: http://www.treas.gov/offices/management/curator/tours.shtml DC is a great city, have a great trip. Michael Brown Sir Speedy Printing Center 443 West Chester Pike Havertown PA 19083-4595 (610) 789-2685 Fax (610) 789-2695 michael@sirspeedy7099.com www.sirspeedy7099.com >-----Original Message----- >From: Eugene Montanez [mailto:eugene@zapcolor.com] >Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2008 04:14 PM >To: printowners@printweb.org >Subject: [PrintOwners] Washington DC printers? > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We are traveling to DC next week and may have some time to visit a >shop or 2? Anyone on list close by or have any ideas? > >Also any great ideas of things to see (we have been there many years >ago) and places to eat? > >Paula and I are both going and have been invited to a pretty cool >reception on the 16th. and I have meetings the 15th during the day. > >> > >Eugene Montanez >ZAP Printing & Graphics >127 Radio Rd >Corona, CA 92879 >951-734-8181 > >Zapit@zapcolor.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From cpurvine1 at cox.net Sun Apr 6 20:49:47 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Sun Apr 6 20:49:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Washington DC printers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00b001c89849$474248a0$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Eugene, there used to be a printer named Arthur that was from DC on this list. Haven't seen any posts from him lately though???? I just looked him up in my old archived files and here is his info. Cora. Arthur D. Chotin President American Financial Printers 734 15th Street, NW Washington, DC 20005 Tel: 202.464.5500 Fax: 202.464.5505 www.afprinters.com afpadc@afprinters.com ______________________________________________________________ Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Fax: 316-854-0321 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From John at mpcny.com Mon Apr 7 08:18:16 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Mon Apr 7 08:18:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] UPS store price war? Message-ID: <004b01c898a9$75905f70$60b11e50$@com> Seeing lots of ads online and on TV for $.35 color from the UPS. I bet Staples Kinko's and OfficeMax will jump in. I love this, pulls the low price shopper away. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1363 - Release Date: 4/7/2008 8:56 AM From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon Apr 7 08:29:04 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Mon Apr 7 08:29:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] UPS store price war? In-Reply-To: <004b01c898a9$75905f70$60b11e50$@com> References: <004b01c898a9$75905f70$60b11e50$@com> Message-ID: <002701c898aa$f81076f0$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Must be all over because I saw it yesterday also. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Fax: 316-854-0321 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 7:18 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] UPS store price war? Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Seeing lots of ads online and on TV for $.35 color from the UPS. I bet Staples Kinko's and OfficeMax will jump in. I love this, pulls the low price shopper away. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1363 - Release Date: 4/7/2008 8:56 AM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3006 (20080407) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From swiftyprinting at mac.com Mon Apr 7 08:42:15 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Mon Apr 7 08:42:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] UPS store price war? In-Reply-To: <004b01c898a9$75905f70$60b11e50$@com> References: <004b01c898a9$75905f70$60b11e50$@com> Message-ID: <408ADFAD-2315-4E44-9291-E384D381CA89@mac.com> On Apr 7, 2008, at 8:18 AM, John Henry wrote: > Seeing lots of ads online and on TV for $.35 color from the UPS. I bet > Staples Kinko's and OfficeMax will jump in. I love this, pulls the > low price > shopper away. Since the UPS store opened in our business area they have had a sign, color copy sale 39?. We don't advertise it, but our self serve color copies have always been 29?. Having the self serve allows us to point to the machine for those who want cheapo copies. Now digital color printing, that's a different price. On another note, the UPS stores uses the machine which you can plug your usb style thumb drive into and print direct off of it (certain types of files). Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon Apr 7 10:05:48 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon Apr 7 10:05:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Operating Ratio Survey approaches cut-off date & number! Message-ID: As of this weekend, NAQP has received 342 completed Operating Ratio survey forms. The association has set a cap of 400 as the maximum number of customized survey forms it will produce for participants. At the request of many previous participants, NAQP last week extended the deadline for participation in this popular survey to April 14th, but if the magic number or cap of 400 is reached sooner the survey page will be shut down and no additional survey forms will be accepted. This is especially significant to those of you who may have downloaded the survey form, are working on it, but have not had a chance to go back on line to submit your survey. If you wait too long, there may not be an opportunity to submit your survey electronically. If you would still like to participate, you can go to the following page for complete instructions: _www.surveyadvantage.com/naqpors_ (http://www.surveyadvantage.com/naqpors) These customized/individualized operating ratio reports should prove to be incredibly useful and will represent a major improvement over the previous generic reports that were published. Personally, I can't imagine an owner not being able or willing to set aside the two hours or less that it should take to download the form, fill it in, and then submit it electronically, especially so when it can be so very useful and beneficial to their firm. P.S. Most folks who have already completed the process have said that it was very easy to follow the instructions and submit their surveys. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) From paula at curryprint.com Mon Apr 7 10:32:44 2008 From: paula at curryprint.com (Paula Smith) Date: Mon Apr 7 10:33:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Washington DC printers? In-Reply-To: <3CA9E484-1D98-413F-BB12-3D3CBBC9564B@zapcolor.com> References: <20080404164259.0F40FEB63FF@rb.enter.net> <3CA9E484-1D98-413F-BB12-3D3CBBC9564B@zapcolor.com> Message-ID: <04ce01c898bc$3f093220$9701a8c0@curry.local> Hi, Eugene: If you wander as far north as Baltimore (about 30 mins north of DC), I'm more than happy to show you around my shops and give you info about seeing the city. Also, in DC, you MUST visit the Library of Congress if you've never been there, it is an amazing place! Paula Smith Curry Printing & Copy Center 314 North Charles Street Baltimore, Maryland 21201 410.685.2679 410.685.1018 fax www.curryprint.com paula@curryprint.com "IMPOSSIBLE DEADLINES MET" > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Montanez > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 4:15 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Washington DC printers? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are traveling to DC next week and may have some time to visit a > shop or 2? Anyone on list close by or have any ideas? > > Also any great ideas of things to see (we have been there many years > ago) and places to eat? > > Paula and I are both going and have been invited to a pretty cool > reception on the 16th. and I have meetings the 15th during the day. > > > > > Eugene Montanez > ZAP Printing & Graphics > 127 Radio Rd > Corona, CA 92879 > 951-734-8181 > > Zapit@zapcolor.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From owner at latsons.com Mon Apr 7 12:19:28 2008 From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson) Date: Mon Apr 7 12:19:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] designer/graphics help needed Message-ID: <200804071619.m37GJT6J011167@pro35.abac.com> Would there be any one interested in taking on a project for a brochure design. My graphics guys is covered up and we could use some help. Also it is a little out of our realm of abilities. This project is for a hunting ranch in south Texas and will require taking the customers typed information and photos and coming up with a promotional brochure. Some knowledge of the sport would be helpful. -Dick Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com From jodib at blackfoot.net Mon Apr 7 12:46:12 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Mon Apr 7 12:47:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] designer/graphics help needed References: <200804071619.m37GJT6J011167@pro35.abac.com> Message-ID: <004001c898ce$e3815cd0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Dick: I have an excellent Graphic Designer that I outsource to when I have a project like this......and she works with businesses from all over. You may contact Kim at KDesign 406-273-6193. She works on our Building Industry's Parade of Homes Magazine, in addition to two other publications that I know of. Her work is professional and always spot-on for what we need. I will forward her an email with your information to contact you. Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Latson" To: Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:19 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] designer/graphics help needed > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Would there be any one interested in taking on a project for a brochure > design. My graphics guys is covered up and we could use some help. Also it > is a little out of our realm of abilities. This project is for a hunting > ranch in south Texas and will require taking the customers typed > information and photos and coming up with a promotional brochure. Some > knowledge of the sport would be helpful. > -Dick > > Dick Latson > Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. > 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 > Commerce, Texas 75428 > (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 > email: owner@latsons.com > www.latsons.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon Apr 7 13:03:39 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon Apr 7 13:05:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] UPS store price war? In-Reply-To: <408ADFAD-2315-4E44-9291-E384D381CA89@mac.com> References: <004b01c898a9$75905f70$60b11e50$@com> <408ADFAD-2315-4E44-9291-E384D381CA89@mac.com> Message-ID: <200804071705.m37H59ux082533@i2bnetworks.com> I think Chuck has brought up a very significant point that I want to shout from the mountain top. Color copies at the UPS store is not the same as digital color printing from a RIP. I think it is very tempting for some to compare their pricing to these public offers from Kinko's or UPS store or any other convenience copy outlet because some of your less informed accounts may think they are the same. It is the sales process that should educate said accounts to the differences between the two, and the difference in value. A Toyota Corolla and a Chevy Corvette are both cars and have four wheels and use gas, but from a performance standpoint they are two different animals. The same is true for color copies off the glass as opposed to accurate digital color though a RIP. It may pull the price shopper away, but it also takes effort to educate the difference to your good accounts to counter any price objection they may raise because of these marketing efforts in the marketplace. S. At 05:42 AM 4/7/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >On Apr 7, 2008, at 8:18 AM, John Henry wrote: > >>Seeing lots of ads online and on TV for $.35 color from the UPS. I bet >>Staples Kinko's and OfficeMax will jump in. I love this, pulls the >>low price >>shopper away. > >Since the UPS store opened in our business area they have had a sign, >color copy sale 39?. We don't advertise it, but our self serve color >copies have always been 29?. Having the self serve allows us to point >to the machine for those who want cheapo copies. Now digital color >printing, that's a different price. > >On another note, the UPS stores uses the machine which you can plug >your usb style thumb drive into and print direct off of it (certain >types of files). > > > > >Chuck Pappas >Arlington Swifty Printing >1386 Massachusetts Avenue >Arlington, MA 02476 >781-646-8700 >www.arlingtonswifty.com >Member: National Association of Quick Printers >Print Industry of New England >GATF >Adobe Service Network >Quark Alliance >Microsoft Publisher Provider > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3007 (20080407) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From swiftyprinting at mac.com Mon Apr 7 13:43:05 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Mon Apr 7 13:43:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] UPS store price war? In-Reply-To: <200804071705.m37H59ux082533@i2bnetworks.com> References: <004b01c898a9$75905f70$60b11e50$@com> <408ADFAD-2315-4E44-9291-E384D381CA89@mac.com> <200804071705.m37H59ux082533@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: On Apr 7, 2008, at 1:03 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > I think it is very tempting for some to compare their pricing to > these public offers from Kinko's or UPS store or any other > convenience copy outlet because some of your less informed accounts > may think they are the same. It is the sales process that should > educate said accounts to the differences between the two, and the > difference in value. > > A Toyota Corolla and a Chevy Corvette are both cars and have four > wheels and use gas, but from a performance standpoint they are two > different animals. > > > It may pull the price shopper away, but it also takes effort to > educate the difference to your good accounts to counter any price > objection they may raise because of these marketing efforts in the > marketplace. > > S. If I could put the right words in my mouth to say what I mean.... Nahh...I'll just let Scott say it. He hit it head on the nail dead on. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From jacemeister at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 14:35:32 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Mon Apr 7 14:35:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] UPS store price war? In-Reply-To: <200804071705.m37H59ux082533@i2bnetworks.com> References: <004b01c898a9$75905f70$60b11e50$@com> <408ADFAD-2315-4E44-9291-E384D381CA89@mac.com> <200804071705.m37H59ux082533@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: We need more info - what color is the Corolla and what color is the Corvette ? XEROX in Baton Rouge is advertising 29? color copies on the huge digital sign in front of their office. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc > A Toyota Corolla and a Chevy Corvette are both cars and have four wheels > and use gas, but from a performance standpoint they are two different > animals. > > The same is true for color copies off the glass as opposed to accurate > digital color though a RIP. > > It may pull the price shopper away, but it also takes effort to educate > the difference to your good accounts to counter any price objection they may > raise because of these marketing efforts in the marketplace. > > S. > > From jim.farley at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 16:13:19 2008 From: jim.farley at gmail.com (James) Date: Mon Apr 7 16:13:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Washington DC printers? In-Reply-To: <04ce01c898bc$3f093220$9701a8c0@curry.local> References: <20080404164259.0F40FEB63FF@rb.enter.net> <3CA9E484-1D98-413F-BB12-3D3CBBC9564B@zapcolor.com> <04ce01c898bc$3f093220$9701a8c0@curry.local> Message-ID: an operation called B&B duplicators in downtown DC sold me my first Itek 975 perfector. The owner is on this list i think but he was so busy i doube he has much time to read a bunch of email. On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Paula Smith wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi, Eugene: > > If you wander as far north as Baltimore (about 30 mins north of DC), I'm > more than happy to show you around my shops and give you info about seeing > the city. Also, in DC, you MUST visit the Library of Congress if you've > never been there, it is an amazing place! > > Paula Smith > Curry Printing & Copy Center > 314 North Charles Street > Baltimore, Maryland 21201 > 410.685.2679 > 410.685.1018 fax > www.curryprint.com > paula@curryprint.com > "IMPOSSIBLE DEADLINES MET" > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Montanez > > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 4:15 PM > > To: printowners@printweb.org > > Subject: [PrintOwners] Washington DC printers? > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > We are traveling to DC next week and may have some time to visit a > > shop or 2? Anyone on list close by or have any ideas? > > > > Also any great ideas of things to see (we have been there many years > > ago) and places to eat? > > > > Paula and I are both going and have been invited to a pretty cool > > reception on the 16th. and I have meetings the 15th during the day. > > > > > > > > > Eugene Montanez > > ZAP Printing & Graphics > > 127 Radio Rd > > Corona, CA 92879 > > 951-734-8181 > > > > Zapit@zapcolor.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From robin at protypeonline.com Sat Apr 5 08:20:46 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Mon Apr 7 16:40:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Heidelberg PrintMaster QM-42 Message-ID: <200804071540325.SM02040@[10.0.1.3]> Mark, One year AFTER we got our QM46-2, I sent my press operator to H-School in Mount Prospect, IL (Chicago suburb). 1-2 days and was not very expensive. She was very skepitcal but thought it was very beneficial. Good Luck Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From robin at protypeonline.com Sun Apr 6 17:42:29 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Mon Apr 7 16:40:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 Life Expectancy Message-ID: <200804071540597.SM02532@[10.0.1.3]> Our QM46-2 is beginning its 6th year of life and has approx. 30 million impressions. I shared last month that the press is no longer able to register when printing extremely tight registration/2 color. H tech came in and told us the bearings in one of the heads needed to be replaced -- two techs for 1.5 days and expensive parts -- guesstimating $10-12,000 and then will not guarantee. Something just seems wrong to me. I never expected to have to replace this press within 10 years, let alone 6! Last year was the first time we put "substantial" dollars into this press which included all new rollers and one or two other major repairs -- totalling almost $15,000! I just can't see putting in another $10-12 with no gaurantee. Again -- what am I missing? Electronic or ? what is causing the press to be "disposable"? The press runs very well, just can't register two colors/tight -- even on 8.5 x 11 -- registration is off in the MIDDLE of the sheet?!!! Newer version -- PM46-2? or do I have the models reversed? Improvements made? Such as? Will I this new press need to be replaced in 6 years? Just doing some simple math - $63,000 purchase price with 30milliion impressions is $0.0021/ impression. I guess if it were a copier I would be happy? Living in the past where my abdicks just ran and ran and ran....15-20+++ years. robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From swiftyprinting at mac.com Mon Apr 7 16:56:51 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Mon Apr 7 16:57:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 Life Expectancy In-Reply-To: <200804071540597.SM02532@[10.0.1.3]> References: <200804071540597.SM02532@[10.0.1.3]> Message-ID: On Apr 6, 2008, at 5:42 PM, Robin Niewold wrote: > The press runs very well, just can't register two colors/tight -- > even on > 8.5 x 11 -- registration is off in the MIDDLE of the sheet?!!! Not to sound stupid, but they did check the obvious - incorrect packing can make this press not register in the middle. We too have problems with H not guaranteeing that after spending 5-10,000 that the press will work afterwards. We spent one year chasing a water problem and over $6,000. And it was never fixed. I will never buy an H machine again, because of the service. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From joseph at mauiprintworks.com Mon Apr 7 17:17:49 2008 From: joseph at mauiprintworks.com (Joseph Marsh) Date: Mon Apr 7 17:27:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 Life Expectancy In-Reply-To: References: <200804071540597.SM02532@[10.0.1.3]> Message-ID: <4A76348F-32D7-4A6A-B72D-47D2B96BEB78@mauiprintworks.com> Chuck - What types of water problems were you having? We have been having a lot of problems with our PU1 water rollers stripping of ink and causing inconsistent imaging. This has been a recurring issue and the only way to fix it seems to be changing the hard roller out. This usually takes about 4 hours to change on top of a $500 roller. The good thing is that the roller comes with new bearings. lol. Well... the tech says the bearings are a good thing. Joseph On Apr 7, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Chuck wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > On Apr 6, 2008, at 5:42 PM, Robin Niewold wrote: > >> The press runs very well, just can't register two colors/tight >> -- even on >> 8.5 x 11 -- registration is off in the MIDDLE of the sheet?!!! > > Not to sound stupid, but they did check the obvious - incorrect > packing can make this press not register in the middle. > > We too have problems with H not guaranteeing that after spending > 5-10,000 that the press will work afterwards. We spent one year > chasing a water problem and over $6,000. And it was never fixed. > > I will never buy an H machine again, because of the service. > > > Chuck Pappas > Arlington Swifty Printing > 1386 Massachusetts Avenue > Arlington, MA 02476 > 781-646-8700 > www.arlingtonswifty.com > Member: National Association of Quick Printers > Print Industry of New England > GATF > Adobe Service Network > Quark Alliance > Microsoft Publisher Provider > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 Cell: 808-264-6382 joseph@mauiprintworks.com From swiftyprinting at mac.com Mon Apr 7 17:36:55 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Mon Apr 7 17:37:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 Life Expectancy In-Reply-To: <4A76348F-32D7-4A6A-B72D-47D2B96BEB78@mauiprintworks.com> References: <200804071540597.SM02532@[10.0.1.3]> <4A76348F-32D7-4A6A-B72D-47D2B96BEB78@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: On Apr 7, 2008, at 5:17 PM, Joseph Marsh wrote: > We have been having a lot of problems with our PU1 water rollers > stripping of ink and causing inconsistent imaging. This has been a > recurring issue and the only way to fix it seems to be changing the > hard roller out. This usually takes about 4 hours to change on top > of a $500 roller. The good thing is that the roller comes with new > bearings. lol. Well... the tech says the bearings are a good thing. We would get excess water on unit 1 on the non operator side. Then it would eventually be exactly what you explained above. This happened after they put all new rollers in the press. They said it was the Botcher rollers. So they then sold us all of their rollers (which are made by Botcher) and installed them. WIthin a week it started again. So they then replaced the hard rollers as you are describing. It happened again. So they ordered some more rubber rollers and it got worse. Then they put in an old original rubber roller and it was printable. Then he ordered another rubber roller and now it works. It seemed that it came down to that all of the new rollers they put it caused this problem and there are a lot of Rubber Roller problems. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From sos at olympus.net Mon Apr 7 19:20:08 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Apr 7 19:18:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 Life Expectancy References: <200804071540597.SM02532@[10.0.1.3]> Message-ID: <073601c89905$ebab08c0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck" > We too have problems with H not guaranteeing that after spending 5-10,000 > that the press will work afterwards. We spent one year chasing a water > problem and over $6,000. And it was never fixed. > > I will never buy an H machine again, because of the service. ======================= What else is there? In the small format 2 color, quick set up type of press? I did buy another H because the service was so terrible, I needed it as a back up. But I'm with you, if there was another alternative. My QM 46-2 is sounding pretty klunky lately. I'm thinking it sounds expensive. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From eugene at zapcolor.com Mon Apr 7 20:24:45 2008 From: eugene at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Mon Apr 7 21:10:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Off: Cool Reason for our DC Trip (at least one of them) In-Reply-To: <20080407204057.C6838EC11FF@rb.enter.net> References: <20080407204057.C6838EC11FF@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <200804080024.m380OUOm011927@mail104c25.carrierzone.com> I was scheduled to visit DC next week for meetings w/Congresspeople and Senators about one of the County commissions I chair and had asked about doing a White House tour with a contact I had at the White House, since we have not been in 20+ years. Well a week ago Friday we received a pretty cool invite: The President and Mrs. Bush cordially invite us to attend the arrival ceremony of His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI at the White House South Lawn ! Talk about being flabbergasted! Pretty cool honor and don't really know how/why we were chosen, but we will take it. So obviously Paula is joining me in attending and we will wave to you from the lawn! (if it rains we have one more day to visit another print shop:) Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From sgfinke at fuse.net Mon Apr 7 22:24:45 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Mon Apr 7 22:24:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Off: Cool Reason for our DC Trip (at least one of them) In-Reply-To: <200804080024.m380OUOm011927@mail104c25.carrierzone.com> References: <20080407204057.C6838EC11FF@rb.enter.net> <200804080024.m380OUOm011927@mail104c25.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: Oh Eugene that is amazing!!! I am green with envy. If either of you can't attend I'll be happy to fly to Washington to fill in for you... Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Apr 7, 2008, at 8:24 PM, Eugene Montanez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I was scheduled to visit DC next week for meetings w/Congresspeople > and Senators about one of the County commissions I chair and had > asked about doing a White House tour with a contact I had at the > White House, since we have not been in 20+ years. > > Well a week ago Friday we received a pretty cool invite: > > The President and Mrs. Bush > cordially invite us to attend the arrival ceremony of > His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI > at the White House > South Lawn ! > > Talk about being flabbergasted! Pretty cool honor and don't really > know how/why we were chosen, but we will take it. > > So obviously Paula is joining me in attending and we will wave to > you from the lawn! (if it rains we have one more day to visit > another print shop:) > > > > > Eugene Montanez > ZAP Printing & Graphics > 127 Radio Rd > Corona, CA 92879 > 951-734-8181 > > Zapit@zapcolor.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From joseph at mauiprintworks.com Mon Apr 7 22:44:50 2008 From: joseph at mauiprintworks.com (Joseph Marsh) Date: Mon Apr 7 22:44:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pricing Issues with Large Customer Message-ID: <056C6B73-3DB9-4929-8FE0-9AB17487B317@mauiprintworks.com> We have been working closely with one of our largest customers to earn their business for their stationery. They require online proofing with multiple approvers. We worked with MOD and have that working pretty well. The next area was price. Apparently some time early last year they decided to use Carlson Craft to do their stationery. When CC transformed into the great and powerful Navitor they shut down the plant my customer's printing was done at and the quality was never the same. In December we started working on solutions to keep the business local. I gave her some initial pricing which they were going to look at and get back to me on. Last week they emailed me some pricing from another large mainland printer with ridiculously low pricing. Something like $27 for 250 2 pms spot color cards on evergreen cover. No shells or anything. I asked where I need to be to be in the ball park and I received the following: Our ideal range for pricing on stationery would be 25-30% over your actual cost. We?d be willing to work with you on minimums, gang runs, etc. in order to make the pricing work. If the margin is too low for you, please let us know where you think you can be and we?ll take a look at those numbers. How would you respond to this? I want to tell her to use those other guys and when she is good and frustrated I will take her back. Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 Cell: 808-264-6382 joseph@mauiprintworks.com From scott at usacolor.com Mon Apr 7 22:52:59 2008 From: scott at usacolor.com (scott balsiger) Date: Mon Apr 7 22:53:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pricing Issues with Large Customer In-Reply-To: <056C6B73-3DB9-4929-8FE0-9AB17487B317@mauiprintworks.com> References: <056C6B73-3DB9-4929-8FE0-9AB17487B317@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: <47FADE0B.5060305@usacolor.com> First off, they have no way of knowing your costs...so forget that! They said that to impress that they want it CHEAP! I would look at the entire package of printing and what you can do in house. The business cards are irrelevant if they order $50-100k or more a year in other printing. Doesn't it cost a lot to ship stuff like printing to Maui? By the way I got married in Maui last February, I'll stop in and say hello on our 5th anniversary! Scott Balsiger President USA Color Printing Inc. 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN 56601 800-759-9126 218-759-2883(fax) www.usacolor.com Joseph Marsh wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have been working closely with one of our largest customers to earn > their business for their stationery. They require online proofing > with multiple approvers. We worked with MOD and have that working > pretty well. The next area was price. Apparently some time early > last year they decided to use Carlson Craft to do their stationery. > When CC transformed into the great and powerful Navitor they shut down > the plant my customer's printing was done at and the quality was never > the same. In December we started working on solutions to keep the > business local. I gave her some initial pricing which they were going > to look at and get back to me on. Last week they emailed me some > pricing from another large mainland printer with ridiculously low > pricing. Something like $27 for 250 2 pms spot color cards on > evergreen cover. No shells or anything. I asked where I need to be > to be in the ball park and I received the following: > > Our ideal range for pricing on stationery would be 25-30% over your > actual cost. We?d be willing to work with you on minimums, gang runs, > etc. in order to make the pricing work. > If the margin is too low for you, please let us know where you think > you can be and we?ll take a look at those numbers. > > > How would you respond to this? I want to tell her to use those other > guys and when she is good and frustrated I will take her back. > > > Joseph Marsh > Maui Print Works > Phone: 808-242-6634 > Fax: 808-242-8967 > Cell: 808-264-6382 > joseph@mauiprintworks.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From championprinting at yahoo.com Tue Apr 8 08:11:00 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Tue Apr 8 08:11:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pricing Issues with Large Customer Message-ID: <357076.53179.qm@web38909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You have pretty high costs, don't you? I think your gut reaction is correct. This does not sound like a good relationship to be in unless there is something attractive about it that you didn't tell us. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Joseph Marsh To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Monday, April 7, 2008 10:44:50 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Pricing Issues with Large Customer ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have been working closely with one of our largest customers to earn their business for their stationery. They require online proofing with multiple approvers. We worked with MOD and have that working pretty well. The next area was price. Apparently some time early last year they decided to use Carlson Craft to do their stationery. When CC transformed into the great and powerful Navitor they shut down the plant my customer's printing was done at and the quality was never the same. In December we started working on solutions to keep the business local. I gave her some initial pricing which they were going to look at and get back to me on. Last week they emailed me some pricing from another large mainland printer with ridiculously low pricing. Something like $27 for 250 2 pms spot color cards on evergreen cover. No shells or anything. I asked where I need to be to be in the ball park and I received the following: Our ideal range for pricing on stationery would be 25-30% over your actual cost. We?d be willing to work with you on minimums, gang runs, etc. in order to make the pricing work. If the margin is too low for you, please let us know where you think you can be and we?ll take a look at those numbers. How would you respond to this? I want to tell her to use those other guys and when she is good and frustrated I will take her back. Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 Cell: 808-264-6382 joseph@mauiprintworks.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bob at rjmprinting.com Tue Apr 8 08:48:06 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Tue Apr 8 08:48:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pricing Issues with Large Customer In-Reply-To: <056C6B73-3DB9-4929-8FE0-9AB17487B317@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: As Scott B. said you need to look at the entire amount of business they will do with. My impression is that the really want to do business with you and they will do business with you. It is a perfect scenario for a value discussion. Give them a price you can make money at and then explain the value of working with you. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 9:45 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Pricing Issues with Large Customer ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have been working closely with one of our largest customers to earn their business for their stationery. They require online proofing with multiple approvers. We worked with MOD and have that working pretty well. The next area was price. Apparently some time early last year they decided to use Carlson Craft to do their stationery. When CC transformed into the great and powerful Navitor they shut down the plant my customer's printing was done at and the quality was never the same. In December we started working on solutions to keep the business local. I gave her some initial pricing which they were going to look at and get back to me on. Last week they emailed me some pricing from another large mainland printer with ridiculously low pricing. Something like $27 for 250 2 pms spot color cards on evergreen cover. No shells or anything. I asked where I need to be to be in the ball park and I received the following: Our ideal range for pricing on stationery would be 25-30% over your actual cost. We'd be willing to work with you on minimums, gang runs, etc. in order to make the pricing work. If the margin is too low for you, please let us know where you think you can be and we'll take a look at those numbers. How would you respond to this? I want to tell her to use those other guys and when she is good and frustrated I will take her back. Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 Cell: 808-264-6382 joseph@mauiprintworks.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 10:04:42 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue Apr 8 10:04:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pricing Issues with Large Customer In-Reply-To: <056C6B73-3DB9-4929-8FE0-9AB17487B317@mauiprintworks.com> References: <056C6B73-3DB9-4929-8FE0-9AB17487B317@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620804080704m4d98811br7bce61f39862044d@mail.gmail.com> I think the key word here is "actual costs". To me actual costs means Labor + Material + OVERHEAD. And I don't know about you but at the end of the year when I figure up all my labor, material and overhead, my sales are usually only 15% - 20% over my actual costs. So for me to sell at 25%-30% over actual costs means I would have to INCREASE my normal selling prices. Sounds to me like they might have a highly over-inflated perception of the profit margin as a percent that is typical in the print industry. As I see it you have two options: 1. Explain to them that normally your prices are based an x% profit margin where x is your net owner's compensation as a percentage, but that if they really insist on a 30% profit margin you would be happy to oblige them by raising your prices. 2. Keep you mouth shut, take your normal price, multiply it by (1-net owners) and that's your actual cost. Now multiply your actual cost by 1.3 and give them a price with a 30% margin. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Joseph wrote: > I asked where I need to be to > be in the ball park and I received the following: > > Our ideal range for pricing on stationery would be 25-30% over your actual > cost. We'd be willing to work with you on minimums, gang runs, etc. in order > to make the pricing work. > If the margin is too low for you, please let us know where you think you can > be and we'll take a look at those numbers. From char at themasterspress.com Tue Apr 8 10:45:29 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue Apr 8 10:45:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pricing Issues with Large Customer In-Reply-To: References: <056C6B73-3DB9-4929-8FE0-9AB17487B317@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: <005101c89987$309142c0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> I agree with Bob and Scott. It is none of their business what your cost are. And your cost DOES include your salary and any owners comp. That is what you are in business for. If you don't make a decent profit and also be able to pay yourself you will not be in business to serve them with excellent service. Give them a price you feel like you can live with on a long term basis. If you do it for no profit or even very little profit what good does it do you to do the work at all. Just so sales can be higher. Sell them on your great service that they are evidently not able to get going over the ocean. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3010 (20080408) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Apr 8 11:05:11 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Apr 8 11:06:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] UPS store price war? In-Reply-To: References: <004b01c898a9$75905f70$60b11e50$@com> <408ADFAD-2315-4E44-9291-E384D381CA89@mac.com> <200804071705.m37H59ux082533@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <8CA67A11363E198-C7C-196C@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com> Today started out bad, but thanks for the smile Jace. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Jace Prejean To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 2:35 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] UPS store price war? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We need more info - what color is the Corolla and what color is the orvette ? XEROX in Baton Rouge is advertising 29? color copies on the huge igital sign in front of their office. -- ace Prejean ayou Printing & Graphics, Inc A Toyota Corolla and a Chevy Corvette are both cars and have four wheels and use gas, but from a performance standpoint they are two different animals. The same is true for color copies off the glass as opposed to accurate digital color though a RIP. It may pull the price shopper away, but it also takes effort to educate the difference to your good accounts to counter any price objection they may raise because of these marketing efforts in the marketplace. S. ______________________________________________ rintOwners Discussion List ost: PrintOwners@printweb.org nfo: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 11:41:57 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Apr 8 11:42:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pricing Issues with Large Customer In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620804080704m4d98811br7bce61f39862044d@mail.gmail.com> References: <056C6B73-3DB9-4929-8FE0-9AB17487B317@mauiprintworks.com> <83d5b9620804080704m4d98811br7bce61f39862044d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0804080841i3639c84cqa3d98d52bdbf44c5@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Jeff Daghir wrote: > ... Now multiply your actual cost by > 1.3 and give them a price with a 30% margin. Oops. Not! 0.3 (markup) divided by 1.3 = margin. 0.3 / 1.3 = 23% margin. Markup and margin are two different animals. To yield a margin of 30%, the markup would be 1.43 (.43 / 1.43 = .30). -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ========================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Apr 8 11:55:35 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Apr 8 11:56:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pricing Issues with Large Customer In-Reply-To: <056C6B73-3DB9-4929-8FE0-9AB17487B317@mauiprintworks.com> References: <056C6B73-3DB9-4929-8FE0-9AB17487B317@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: <8CA67A81E2AC4EF-C7C-1D57@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com> Those numbers sound like they are doing it on a digital machine.? Wash-up's alone will surpass those figures.? You shouldn't even attempt to try to be close to those numbers.? Sell your service correctly & let those idiots eat peanut & butter & jelly for dinner! Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Marsh To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:44 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] Pricing Issues with Large Customer ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? We have been working closely with one of our largest customers to earn their business for their stationery. They require online proofing with multiple approvers. We worked with MOD and have that working pretty well. The next area was price. Apparently some time early last year they decided to use Carlson Craft to do their stationery. When CC transformed into the great and powerful Navitor they shut down the plant my customer's printing was done at and the quality was never the same. In December we started working on solutions to keep the business local. I gave her some initial pricing which they were going to look at and get back to me on. Last week they emailed me some pricing from another large mainland printer with ridiculously low pricing. Something like $27 for 250 2 pms spot color cards on evergreen cover. No shells or anything. I asked where I need to be to be in the ball park and I received the following:? ? Our ideal range for pricing on stationery would be 25-30% over your actual cost. We?d be willing to work with you on minimums, gang runs, etc. in order to make the pricing work.? If the margin is too low for you, please let us know where you think you can be and we?ll take a look at those numbers.? ? ?How would you respond to this? I want to tell her to use those other guys and when she is good and frustrated I will take her back. ? ? Joseph Marsh? Maui Print Works? Phone: 808-242-6634? Fax: 808-242-8967? Cell: 808-264-6382? joseph@mauiprintworks.com? ? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Tue Apr 8 12:08:03 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Tue Apr 8 12:09:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Large menu Message-ID: I have a customer looking for color menus that are 15.5x17. Is there any laser device that can handle this? Quantity is only 80. My large format printer (HP5500ps) can run it but it is 2 sided and I can't run side 2 since it won't handle cut sheets. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From jgross at techiowa.com Tue Apr 8 12:23:04 2008 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Tue Apr 8 12:23:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Large menu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c89994$d272af40$1e00000a@tech.local> Can you print two sheets, laminate together with an edge seal. Maybe a strip of doubleface tape near the spine. Note new email address: jagross@techiowa.com John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc Iowa City, Iowa 52240 techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lake Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:08 AM To: PrintOwners Subject: [PrintOwners] Large menu ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a customer looking for color menus that are 15.5x17. Is there any laser device that can handle this? Quantity is only 80. My large format printer (HP5500ps) can run it but it is 2 sided and I can't run side 2 since it won't handle cut sheets. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Apr 8 13:31:13 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Apr 8 13:31:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? Message-ID: so nobody thinks it is unusual that the QM46-2's useful life for dead- on registration is 5-6 years/30million impressions? Have you replaced your QM46-2 after this length of time? Or just delegated it to quick and dirty short run offset jobs? robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 13:52:00 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue Apr 8 13:52:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pricing Issues with Large Customer In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0804080841i3639c84cqa3d98d52bdbf44c5@mail.gmail.com> References: <056C6B73-3DB9-4929-8FE0-9AB17487B317@mauiprintworks.com> <83d5b9620804080704m4d98811br7bce61f39862044d@mail.gmail.com> <98f5b19a0804080841i3639c84cqa3d98d52bdbf44c5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620804081052x3e968373o5c416ca86cc97ba9@mail.gmail.com> CRAP! You're correct of course. Common mistake but still one that I should know better. I'll blame it on the fact that we ran out coffee this morning so I'm suffering from caffine withdrawal. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. ;) -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Michael said: > Oops. Not! > 0.3 (markup) divided by 1.3 = margin. > 0.3 / 1.3 = 23% margin. > Markup and margin are two different animals. > To yield a margin of 30%, the markup would be 1.43 > (.43 / 1.43 = .30). From craig at newhavenprint.com Tue Apr 8 13:58:23 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Tue Apr 8 13:53:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080408175344.6BBAFEC377C@rb.enter.net> If you remember Robin, I had this same complaint about 2 years ago after spending around 15k in one year on that press. Everybody thought I must have gotten a lemon - maybe not? I think the press has obsolescence designed into it. The problem is, there just isn't anything better on the market for those short runs. I'm pretty sure I'll never purchase another one. There isn't much that the digital presses can't do as well or better (other than envelopes - and we use a Ryobi 3302 for those). Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:31 PM > To: printowners printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > so nobody thinks it is unusual that the QM46-2's useful life > for dead- on registration is 5-6 years/30million impressions? > Have you replaced your QM46-2 after this length of time? Or > just delegated it to quick and dirty short run offset jobs? > robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From slb at inkspot.net Tue Apr 8 14:21:11 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Apr 8 14:21:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Was: QM46-2 ????? Now: H press longevity? In-Reply-To: <20080408175344.6BBAFEC377C@rb.enter.net> References: , <20080408175344.6BBAFEC377C@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <47FB7F57.6872.121D3F40@slb.inkspot.net> I find this whole thread kind of incongruous. I have no doubt that all of you are experiencing problems with this press, and I have never owned one, but I have a KORD that was built in the 1960s that still prints and registers. H certainly knows how to build presses that last, but it seems that they decided not to do that for the "low end" of the market. On that note, we all know folks who have GTOs that keep going and going--did they screw up the PM52 like they appear to have done that QM? How far up the line do you have to go with H these days to find a well built, long lasting press? Just curious... Steve > > If you remember Robin, I had this same complaint about 2 years ago after > spending around 15k in one year on that press. Everybody thought I must have > gotten a lemon - maybe not? I think the press has obsolescence designed into > it. The problem is, there just isn't anything better on the market for those > short runs. I'm pretty sure I'll never purchase another one. There isn't > much that the digital presses can't do as well or better (other than > envelopes - and we use a Ryobi 3302 for those). > > Craig Dellinger > New Haven Print & Copy > 7531 US 930 East > Fort Wayne, IN 46803 > 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 > www.newhavenprint.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold > > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:31 PM > > To: printowners printowners > > Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > so nobody thinks it is unusual that the QM46-2's useful life > > for dead- on registration is 5-6 years/30million impressions? > > Have you replaced your QM46-2 after this length of time? Or > > just delegated it to quick and dirty short run offset jobs? > > robin > > > > Robin Niewold > > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > > 130 N. Market Street > > Paxton, IL 60957 > > 217.379.4715 > > robin@protypeonline.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3010 (20080408) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From thom at acepm.com Tue Apr 8 14:20:10 2008 From: thom at acepm.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Tue Apr 8 14:22:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? In-Reply-To: <20080408175344.6BBAFEC377C@rb.enter.net> References: <20080408175344.6BBAFEC377C@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <00e401c899a5$2ea24860$8be6d920$@com> Craig, Just out of curiosity, how well do your digital machines handle NCR (or whatever brand you're using?). Also, WHICH digital machine are you running it on? I know you have one of the big guys... but perhaps one of the smaller ones run it as well? We tried NCR on our 3220. HA! What a JOKE that turned out to be.... not to mention one hell of a mess.... :) :) :) Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing 10026 Old Ocean City Boulevard Unit # 3 Berlin, Maryland? 21811 410-641-3636 / FAX 410-641-1167 Web Page: www.ACEPM.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider and a Microsoft Publisher Service Provider. We offer mailing services for First, Second and Standard class mailings. We handle everything from concept...to printing...to mailing! Ask us how we can SAVE YOU MONEY!!! -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Craig Dellinger Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:58 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** If you remember Robin, I had this same complaint about 2 years ago after spending around 15k in one year on that press. Everybody thought I must have gotten a lemon - maybe not? I think the press has obsolescence designed into it. The problem is, there just isn't anything better on the market for those short runs. I'm pretty sure I'll never purchase another one. There isn't much that the digital presses can't do as well or better (other than envelopes - and we use a Ryobi 3302 for those). Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:31 PM > To: printowners printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > so nobody thinks it is unusual that the QM46-2's useful life > for dead- on registration is 5-6 years/30million impressions? > Have you replaced your QM46-2 after this length of time? Or > just delegated it to quick and dirty short run offset jobs? > robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From char at themasterspress.com Tue Apr 8 14:31:10 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue Apr 8 14:31:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00ca01c899a6$b7ab8030$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Robin I am not trying to be sarcastic but everything wears out. Even a HB. I have no idea how many impressions it should do but I know it is not unusual to have to rebuild a press after so many impressions. Your 5-6 years might be someone else's two years or 8 years. I personally WOULD buy another HB if I needed another press. It is by far the most productive press I have used for the work that it does. But HB has gotten extremely high in their service. If I was going to have that done, I would just have the whole thing rebuilt or see if I could find another one with low mileage and just get a second one. You need a second one anyway. :-) ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:31 PM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** so nobody thinks it is unusual that the QM46-2's useful life for dead- on registration is 5-6 years/30million impressions? Have you replaced your QM46-2 after this length of time? Or just delegated it to quick and dirty short run offset jobs? robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3010 (20080408) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3010 (20080408) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From bob at rjmprinting.com Tue Apr 8 14:33:20 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Tue Apr 8 14:33:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] A new one for me Message-ID: Long time customer who is in a fringe part of the printing industry(fixes letterpress equipment), calls and complains that he is allergic to the latest job we printed for him. He brings it in and we smell it and it smells like well ink. Gave him the MSDS sheet so he can take it to his doctor. OSHA and now this maybe there really is something wrong with our ink... Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com From joseph at mauiprintworks.com Tue Apr 8 14:37:00 2008 From: joseph at mauiprintworks.com (Joseph Marsh) Date: Tue Apr 8 14:37:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One problem that we have had is the PU2 has shifted and now we need to go to the full -2mm to get job in register. That leaves us very little to work with. There is a way to make that adjustment. Maybe your PU2 has slipped a hair. I have always had great service through the H tech support line. At first they told me it could be bearings blah blah blah, but after some pushing I found out there are 2 screws that control the PU2 position and those can slip over time. If you want I could email you the page with that info. I would just have to dig it up. Joseph On Apr 8, 2008, at 7:31 AM, Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > so nobody thinks it is unusual that the QM46-2's useful life for > dead-on registration is 5-6 years/30million impressions? > Have you replaced your QM46-2 after this length of time? Or just > delegated it to quick and dirty short run offset jobs? > robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 Cell: 808-264-6382 joseph@mauiprintworks.com From craig at newhavenprint.com Tue Apr 8 14:47:31 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Tue Apr 8 14:42:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? In-Reply-To: <00e401c899a5$2ea24860$8be6d920$@com> Message-ID: <20080408184249.6D857EC39C4@rb.enter.net> > Craig, > Just out of curiosity, how well do your digital machines > handle NCR (or whatever brand you're using?). We don't run much NCR any more Thom. But when we do, we still put it on press. I think the iGen would handle it fine - I haven't found much it wouldn't - OK, the 9x12 catalog envelopes weren't one of my better ideas. Xerox has "digital" carbonless stock, but we need some jobs to put on the POS46-2. I just think in the future, there will be more and more digital machines that will replace these presses. It's still cheaper to run a small press than digital (most of the time), but that seems to be blurring. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From swiftyprinting at mac.com Tue Apr 8 14:43:17 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Tue Apr 8 14:43:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? In-Reply-To: <00ca01c899a6$b7ab8030$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <00ca01c899a6$b7ab8030$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <281C669D-B124-402E-9DE4-37F4995D27B6@mac.com> On Apr 8, 2008, at 2:31 PM, Charlene Sims wrote: > Robin I am not trying to be sarcastic but everything wears out. > Even a HB. > I have no idea how many impressions it should do but I know it is not > unusual to have to rebuild a press after so many impressions I agree with Robin and Craig that the Printmaster does wear out much too quickly. If you take some rough math of impressions per hour and hours of runtime this gives the QM only 5 years. H is selling on their name and it is definitely not up to my expectations. If the machine cannot stand up to the use and service cannot back up the machine, then you end up with unhappy customers. Perhaps this is why H has put the QM line is at its end of life. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From tracey at targetcopy.com Tue Apr 8 14:58:00 2008 From: tracey at targetcopy.com (Tracey Cohen) Date: Tue Apr 8 14:58:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] NCR Message-ID: <00ad01c899aa$78d8bfe0$6a8a3fa0$@com> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thom - We run NCR all the time on our Xerox machines. We don't have any presses, but we've never had a problem running NCR on our Nuveras or on our Docutechs before that. I can't speak to whether or not the quality is better or worse than that of a press, but we've not had any complaints. It's also mostly short run stuff - 100-5000 sets at a time. The brand of NCR paper we use is Excel. Tracey G. Cohen Target Copy 850.224.3007 850.224.5014 fax 635 West Tennessee Street Tallahassee, Fl 32304 tracey@targetcopy.com >Craig, >Just out of curiosity, how well do your digital machines handle NCR (or >whatever brand you're using?). >Also, WHICH digital machine are you running it on? I know you have one of >the big guys... but perhaps one of the smaller ones run it as well? _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From swiftyprinting at mac.com Tue Apr 8 15:07:27 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Tue Apr 8 15:07:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? In-Reply-To: <20080408184249.6D857EC39C4@rb.enter.net> References: <20080408184249.6D857EC39C4@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: On Apr 8, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Craig Dellinger wrote: > We don't run much NCR any more Thom. But when we do, we still put it > on > press. I think the iGen would handle it fine It does handle it well. There is now an NCR specifically for the iGen from Xerox which they will guarantee. The only problems with a non- copier sheet is it will contaminate the fuser. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Apr 8 15:07:36 2008 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Apr 8 15:07:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? In-Reply-To: <00e401c899a5$2ea24860$8be6d920$@com> References: <20080408175344.6BBAFEC377C@rb.enter.net> <00e401c899a5$2ea24860$8be6d920$@com> Message-ID: <1f5d01c899ab$cef3a330$6cdae990$@biz> Thom - Try using the "tissue paper" setting and NCR should run fine through your 3220 and will exit at the top, where label stock does, instead of into the catch tray. Never did figure out how to run 3-part through it and get the sequence to come out right. Dan Lipford Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Thom Gulyas Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:20 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Craig, Just out of curiosity, how well do your digital machines handle NCR (or whatever brand you're using?). Also, WHICH digital machine are you running it on? I know you have one of the big guys... but perhaps one of the smaller ones run it as well? We tried NCR on our 3220. HA! What a JOKE that turned out to be.... not to mention one hell of a mess.... :) :) :) Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing 10026 Old Ocean City Boulevard Unit # 3 Berlin, Maryland? 21811 410-641-3636 / FAX 410-641-1167 Web Page: www.ACEPM.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider and a Microsoft Publisher Service Provider. We offer mailing services for First, Second and Standard class mailings. We handle everything from concept...to printing...to mailing! Ask us how we can SAVE YOU MONEY!!! -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Craig Dellinger Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:58 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** If you remember Robin, I had this same complaint about 2 years ago after spending around 15k in one year on that press. Everybody thought I must have gotten a lemon - maybe not? I think the press has obsolescence designed into it. The problem is, there just isn't anything better on the market for those short runs. I'm pretty sure I'll never purchase another one. There isn't much that the digital presses can't do as well or better (other than envelopes - and we use a Ryobi 3302 for those). Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:31 PM > To: printowners printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > so nobody thinks it is unusual that the QM46-2's useful life > for dead- on registration is 5-6 years/30million impressions? > Have you replaced your QM46-2 after this length of time? Or > just delegated it to quick and dirty short run offset jobs? > robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Tue Apr 8 15:18:47 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Tue Apr 8 15:18:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? In-Reply-To: <20080408182255.C9A8BEC389F@rb.enter.net> References: <20080408182255.C9A8BEC389F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <8a8f92c36b88c460e3f6f11c982f259e@sheergraphics.com> > so nobody thinks it is unusual that the QM46-2's useful life for > dead-on registration is 5-6 years/30million impressions? Q: Are there any owners of larger Heidelberg presses on this list, e.g. Speedmaster 102? If so, how many impressions would they expect before replacing main bearings? > Have you replaced your QM46-2 after this length of time? A: Yes, it was cheaper to purchase the latest press from Heidelberg than to suffer downtime and frustration of repairing an older machine with outdated technology. > Or just delegated it to quick and dirty short run offset jobs? A: No. We sold it to Guatemala. > robin ...... Last year was the first time we put "substantial" dollars into this press which included all new rollers and one or two other major repairs -- totalling almost $15,000!..... A: Robin, why contemplate spending that much on repairs? We gave up at less than $8,000. ..... Just doing some simple math - $63,000 purchase price ..... A: Why spend that much? Renegotiate! ..... my abdicks just ran and ran and ran....15-20+++ years. A: Yes, so why did you buy a Heidelberg if the Dicks were less costly? Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Tue Apr 8 15:19:54 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Tue Apr 8 15:20:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] A new one for me In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yikes. Sorry Bob. Regards, Borzou www.falconprintandcopy.com t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 > From: Bob Molacek > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:33:20 -0500 > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: [PrintOwners] A new one for me > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Long time customer who is in a fringe part of the printing industry(fixes > letterpress equipment), calls and complains that he is allergic to the > latest job we printed for him. He brings it in and we smell it and it > smells like well ink. Gave him the MSDS sheet so he can take it to his > doctor. > > > > OSHA and now this maybe there really is something wrong with our ink... > > > > > > Bob Molacek > > Sir Speedy Printing > > 7793 Ranchers Road > > Fridley, MN 55432 > > 763-571-4608 > > bob@rjmprinting.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From thom at acepm.com Tue Apr 8 15:20:09 2008 From: thom at acepm.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Tue Apr 8 15:20:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM 46-2... Robin, don't hate me. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <010101c899ad$8f67b6f0$ae3724d0$@com> Robin, Ok. I guess I'll have to be the one to say this since nobody else will. I don't understand, for the life of me, why you would be complaining about something that is MAKING you money? I don't get it. I just don't get it. So what if it has 30MM impressions? It has to have made you SOME money along the way...otherwise someone is taking an awful long time doing wash-ups and setups! LOL!! Look, I'm not trying to embarrass you or be a PIA. But this is business. Sometimes we'll get 30MM, sometimes 50MM other times maybe only 12MM. I've seen presses that have NOT been maintained well and the owners think they are worth several $10K's more than what they actually paid when they go and try to sell it! :) I think all things are relative. Honestly I do. How well was the machine maintained? Please don't answer that...it is more subjective than anything else. Could you go digital? Perhaps. This might be something to look into as well. For my strategy, digital just would not work well "at this moment." Why? We're still doing quite a bit of 1 and 2 color work. I just took in an order of 120,000 envelopes as well. I don't broker those out when I have press time available. Why pay folks to stand around and look at me? :) Also, my equipment is paid for. As I said Robin, this is NOT meant to single you out. The machine "is" what it "is." If it is dead, replace it. Nothing is going to last forever anymore. Nothing. This is the world that we live in. A "disposable economy" is the wave of the future I guess.... Your Friend, Thom Gulyas PS... I still love you... so don't worry. :) :) :) Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing 10026 Old Ocean City Boulevard Unit # 3 Berlin, Maryland? 21811 410-641-3636 / FAX 410-641-1167 Web Page: www.ACEPM.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider and a Microsoft Publisher Service Provider. We offer mailing services for First, Second and Standard class mailings. We handle everything from concept...to printing...to mailing! Ask us how we can SAVE YOU MONEY!!! -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:31 PM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** so nobody thinks it is unusual that the QM46-2's useful life for dead- on registration is 5-6 years/30million impressions? Have you replaced your QM46-2 after this length of time? Or just delegated it to quick and dirty short run offset jobs? robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Tue Apr 8 15:22:47 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Tue Apr 8 15:24:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? In-Reply-To: <1f5d01c899ab$cef3a330$6cdae990$@biz> References: <20080408175344.6BBAFEC377C@rb.enter.net><00e401c899a5$2ea24860$8be6d920$@com> <1f5d01c899ab$cef3a330$6cdae990$@biz> Message-ID: If the machine prints on the side of the sheet that is up while it is in the drawer and comes out face up, use reverse sequence. If it prints on the side that is down and comes out face up, use straight sequence. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:08 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thom - Try using the "tissue paper" setting and NCR should run fine through your 3220 and will exit at the top, where label stock does, instead of into the catch tray. Never did figure out how to run 3-part through it and get the sequence to come out right. Dan Lipford Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Thom Gulyas Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:20 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Craig, Just out of curiosity, how well do your digital machines handle NCR (or whatever brand you're using?). Also, WHICH digital machine are you running it on? I know you have one of the big guys... but perhaps one of the smaller ones run it as well? We tried NCR on our 3220. HA! What a JOKE that turned out to be.... not to mention one hell of a mess.... :) :) :) Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing 10026 Old Ocean City Boulevard Unit # 3 Berlin, Maryland? 21811 410-641-3636 / FAX 410-641-1167 Web Page: www.ACEPM.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider and a Microsoft Publisher Service Provider. We offer mailing services for First, Second and Standard class mailings. We handle everything from concept...to printing...to mailing! Ask us how we can SAVE YOU MONEY!!! -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Craig Dellinger Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:58 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** If you remember Robin, I had this same complaint about 2 years ago after spending around 15k in one year on that press. Everybody thought I must have gotten a lemon - maybe not? I think the press has obsolescence designed into it. The problem is, there just isn't anything better on the market for those short runs. I'm pretty sure I'll never purchase another one. There isn't much that the digital presses can't do as well or better (other than envelopes - and we use a Ryobi 3302 for those). Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:31 PM > To: printowners printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > so nobody thinks it is unusual that the QM46-2's useful life for dead- > on registration is 5-6 years/30million impressions? > Have you replaced your QM46-2 after this length of time? Or just > delegated it to quick and dirty short run offset jobs? > robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From sos at olympus.net Tue Apr 8 15:28:09 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Apr 8 15:27:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? References: <00ca01c899a6$b7ab8030$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <281C669D-B124-402E-9DE4-37F4995D27B6@mac.com> Message-ID: <08b401c899ae$adaec350$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck" >Perhaps this is why H has put the QM line is at its end of life. ======================== Hey Chuck, Have you heard something the rest of us haven't? I know Hberg has stopped making the QM DI, but I sure haven't heard anything about the 46-2. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From ray at capitol-copy.com Tue Apr 8 15:28:08 2008 From: ray at capitol-copy.com (Ray Sziber) Date: Tue Apr 8 15:28:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] A New One for me In-Reply-To: <20080408190743.98DB4EC3B29@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <000601c899ae$afe94a00$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> Years ago, a fine, outstanding female employee of ours decided to resign. She said her children were allergic to paper dust that she picked up at work. The family doctor confirmed it. She was sorry to leave and we were sorry to lose her. >>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [PrintOwners] A new one for me To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Long time customer who is in a fringe part of the printing industry(fixes letterpress equipment), calls and complains that he is allergic to the latest job we printed for him. He brings it in and we smell it and it smells like well ink. Gave him the MSDS sheet so he can take it to his doctor. OSHA and now this maybe there really is something wrong with our ink...<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Ray Sziber Capitol Copy Service NAQP NAPL 116 West State Street Trenton NJ 08608 Ph 609-989-8776 Fx609-989-9570 www.Capitol-Copy.com Now Offering Large Format Printing! verkin tala From swiftyprinting at mac.com Tue Apr 8 15:37:56 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Tue Apr 8 15:38:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? In-Reply-To: <08b401c899ae$adaec350$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <00ca01c899a6$b7ab8030$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <281C669D-B124-402E-9DE4-37F4995D27B6@mac.com> <08b401c899ae$adaec350$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: On Apr 8, 2008, at 3:28 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck" >> Perhaps this is why H has put the QM line is at its end of life. > ======================== > > Hey Chuck, > Have you heard something the rest of us haven't? > I know Hberg has stopped making the QM DI, but I sure haven't heard > anything about the 46-2. Only according to our Service Manager and his supervisor in Georgia. The QM was considered to be discontinued within 2 years. At the same time this decision was made, so was the decision to get out of the very small press market. Then they started closing regional service centers. However one year later they re-opened local service centers and started backing up the the QM again. With H, who knows. It seems to change daily. Also according to the senior technician H dropped engineering support. They had a specific team which service reported engineering problems and repeat field problems. This team no longer exists. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From CurryDonald at stanleygroup.com Tue Apr 8 15:40:13 2008 From: CurryDonald at stanleygroup.com (Curry, Donald) Date: Tue Apr 8 15:40:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] graphic monitor specs Message-ID: <547C63C66C7D504F9828D81B43E5DDEE6452DB@mus-ms3.stanleygroup.com> I like to know if any one on the list has some monitor specs I could use when updating monitor in my graphics area. We use PC computers and the basic monitor doesn't same like it would do the trick . Any impute or spec would be greatly appreciated Don Curry Manager Sycamore Printing 216 Sycamore Street, Suite Muscatine, Iowa 52761-3838 info@sycamoreink.com www.sycamoreink.com email; currydonaldcurry@stanleygroup.com tel 563.264.6518 fax 563.264.6521 From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Apr 8 15:41:27 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Apr 8 15:41:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 Life Expectancy Message-ID: <498C2307-28E2-4652-83AE-022B319AFADD@protypeonline.com> chuck, packing has been checked and rechecked! Don't worry about suggesting the obvious -- we (or "H") are not perfect and could certainly overlook the obvious! :) robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Apr 8 15:45:37 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Apr 8 15:45:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? Message-ID: <1A2B8C94-24E6-4EE3-A393-1E76FC51FDCC@protypeonline.com> we run some but not tons of 2 and 3 part RPC Carbonless, "superior" -- all parts are 20# -- without problem on our iR105 and now iR7095....but would sure like to know if someone has a digital machine that will run carbonless all day long without any problems. ??? I would go all digital in a heartbeat if I could solve the registration, carbonless and envelopes issues. robin p.s. Craig -- I don't have a building big enough for one of those digital beasts you run! Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From george at dahlquistprinting.com Tue Apr 8 16:50:03 2008 From: george at dahlquistprinting.com (George Dahlquist) Date: Tue Apr 8 15:50:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? References: <00ca01c899a6$b7ab8030$0b01a8c0@CharXP><281C669D-B124-402E-9DE4-37F4995D27B6@mac.com><08b401c899ae$adaec350$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <002701c899ba$1eca4b80$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> Do I smell the possible makings of a class action suit for damages ??? George Dahlquist Dahlquist Printing & Graphics Orlando, FL Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? >> Have you heard something the rest of us haven't? >> I know Hberg has stopped making the QM DI, but I sure haven't heard >> anything about the 46-2. > > Only according to our Service Manager and his supervisor in Georgia. > The QM was considered to be discontinued within 2 years. At the same > time this decision was made, so was the decision to get out of the > very small press market. Then they started closing regional service > centers. > > However one year later they re-opened local service centers and > started backing up the the QM again. > > With H, who knows. It seems to change daily. > > Also according to the senior technician H dropped engineering support. > They had a specific team which service reported engineering problems > and repeat field problems. This team no longer exists. > > > > > Chuck Pappas > From craig at newhavenprint.com Tue Apr 8 16:06:03 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Tue Apr 8 16:01:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? In-Reply-To: <002701c899ba$1eca4b80$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> Message-ID: <20080408200117.60C7FEC3E99@rb.enter.net> > Do I smell the possible makings of a class action suit for damages ??? > George Dahlquist > Dahlquist Printing & Graphics I really don't think so. We've spent a BUNCH of money on that press. I'm sure we'll spend a bunch more in the future, but it does run what it's designed to run very well. And we have made a lot of money with it. I think they just didn't engineer and construct it as well as their larger presses. Then again, maybe most of us wouldn't have paid $100,000 for the press if it had been built heavier. I'm sure they had to make a compromise between price and longevity. It's just too bad there isn't anything else on the market that comes close to it's capabilities. It's really the only game in town for small, quick presses. Making them want to quit selling the press would be counter-productive. Of course, maybe they've already decided that? Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Apr 8 16:03:55 2008 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Apr 8 16:03:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] 3-part carbonless in a 3220 (was QM46-2 ?????) In-Reply-To: References: <20080408175344.6BBAFEC377C@rb.enter.net><00e401c899a5$2ea24860$8be6d920$@com> <1f5d01c899ab$cef3a330$6cdae990$@biz> Message-ID: <1fcf01c899b3$ad614d50$0823e7f0$@biz> "If it prints on the side that is down and comes out face up, use straight sequence." Mark Mark - Our 3220's no longer here, but my memory tells me that what you're suggesting resulted in pink on top of canary, with a white bottom sheet, requiring reversing them all by hand. ...but maybe I'm wrong. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lake Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 3:23 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** If the machine prints on the side of the sheet that is up while it is in the drawer and comes out face up, use reverse sequence. If it prints on the side that is down and comes out face up, use straight sequence. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:08 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thom - Try using the "tissue paper" setting and NCR should run fine through your 3220 and will exit at the top, where label stock does, instead of into the catch tray. Never did figure out how to run 3-part through it and get the sequence to come out right. Dan Lipford Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Thom Gulyas Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:20 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Craig, Just out of curiosity, how well do your digital machines handle NCR (or whatever brand you're using?). Also, WHICH digital machine are you running it on? I know you have one of the big guys... but perhaps one of the smaller ones run it as well? We tried NCR on our 3220. HA! What a JOKE that turned out to be.... not to mention one hell of a mess.... :) :) :) Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing 10026 Old Ocean City Boulevard Unit # 3 Berlin, Maryland? 21811 410-641-3636 / FAX 410-641-1167 Web Page: www.ACEPM.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider and a Microsoft Publisher Service Provider. We offer mailing services for First, Second and Standard class mailings. We handle everything from concept...to printing...to mailing! Ask us how we can SAVE YOU MONEY!!! -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Craig Dellinger Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:58 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** If you remember Robin, I had this same complaint about 2 years ago after spending around 15k in one year on that press. Everybody thought I must have gotten a lemon - maybe not? I think the press has obsolescence designed into it. The problem is, there just isn't anything better on the market for those short runs. I'm pretty sure I'll never purchase another one. There isn't much that the digital presses can't do as well or better (other than envelopes - and we use a Ryobi 3302 for those). Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:31 PM > To: printowners printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > so nobody thinks it is unusual that the QM46-2's useful life for dead- > on registration is 5-6 years/30million impressions? > Have you replaced your QM46-2 after this length of time? Or just > delegated it to quick and dirty short run offset jobs? > robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jacemeister at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 16:09:42 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Tue Apr 8 16:09:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Was: QM46-2 ????? Now: H press longevity? In-Reply-To: <47FB7F57.6872.121D3F40@slb.inkspot.net> References: <20080408175344.6BBAFEC377C@rb.enter.net> <47FB7F57.6872.121D3F40@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: Service has been a major reason for my choosing to buy Ryobi's rather than Heidelberg's since opening my shop in 1983. I've visited many shops and watched Heidelberg's and Ryobi's both run hard, and owners obviously make money off both, just as they do with AB Dick's, Multilith's and other brands. I made a good living for years running a Chief 17, and wish they were still being manufactured! But I found it odd that owners bragged and bragged about how great the Heidelberg's were, yet what I witnessed was often counter to their testament. One of my biggest disappointments were the countless jams from the auto plate ejectors. The operators will usually say whatever the owner wants to hear, but when you get one aside they will often confide that the presses don't stand up to all the hype. I've been fortunate to have gotten excellent results with the various Ryobi presses I've owned, and still have an old 2800 built in 1978 that we run daily, in addition to a 3200, 3302 and 524. I bring a technician in once a year to go through everything, tune them up and change whatever needs to be changed. He usually spends one day but never more than two, and for about $4,000 to $6,000 a year (depending on how much rubber needs replacement) we keep all four presses running like clockwork. I don't remember having a press "down" in a number of years. Ryobi makes excellent presses and duplicators, and if I were in the market today I would lean toward Ryobi or Komori (Lithrone). Hard to beat either. They are reliable, will print anything a Heidelberg can print (only faster), and are more economical to own and maintain. Not to mention they just don't break down if you maintain them properly. I can't count the complaints I've witnessed on this list about Heidelberg's outragious prices for parts and service. They may even have beaten Xerox in that arena . Heidelberg might have a slight advantage on the resale value, but if you're buying presses for their resale value I believe you're in the wrong business . Anyway, I have no vested interest in any particular brand and encourage you to buy whatever will help you make the highest profits. I just wanted to step out and let folks like Robin know that there are some excellent alternatives and you don't have to put up with inferior service, especially by a company who won't warranty their work. That sure does sound a like the stories we've been hearing about Xerox, doesn't it? -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Steve Blatman wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I find this whole thread kind of incongruous. I have no doubt that > all of you are experiencing problems with this press, and I have > never owned one, but I have a KORD that was built in the 1960s that > still prints and registers. H certainly knows how to build presses > that last, but it seems that they decided not to do that for the "low > end" of the market. > > On that note, we all know folks who have GTOs that keep going and > going--did they screw up the PM52 like they appear to have done that > QM? How far up the line do you have to go with H these days to find a > well built, long lasting press? > > Just curious... > > Steve > > > > > > If you remember Robin, I had this same complaint about 2 years ago after > > spending around 15k in one year on that press. Everybody thought I must > have > > gotten a lemon - maybe not? I think the press has obsolescence designed > into > > it. The problem is, there just isn't anything better on the market for > those > > short runs. I'm pretty sure I'll never purchase another one. There isn't > > much that the digital presses can't do as well or better (other than > > envelopes - and we use a Ryobi 3302 for those). > > > > Craig Dellinger > > New Haven Print & Copy > > 7531 US 930 East > > Fort Wayne, IN 46803 > > 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 > > www.newhavenprint.com > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:31 PM > > > To: printowners printowners > > > Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? > > > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > so nobody thinks it is unusual that the QM46-2's useful life > > > for dead- on registration is 5-6 years/30million impressions? > > > Have you replaced your QM46-2 after this length of time? Or > > > just delegated it to quick and dirty short run offset jobs? > > > robin > > > > > > Robin Niewold > > > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > > > 130 N. Market Street > > > Paxton, IL 60957 > > > 217.379.4715 > > > robin@protypeonline.com > From george at dahlquistprinting.com Tue Apr 8 17:11:55 2008 From: george at dahlquistprinting.com (George Dahlquist) Date: Tue Apr 8 16:12:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? References: <20080408200117.60C7FEC3E99@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <000401c899bd$2d1308f0$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> Doesn't Ryobi still manufacture and sell the smaller duplicator type machines. I haven't checked in a while but they were popular at one time as an alternative to the AB Dick equipment. Your points regarding H are well taken but there is still a certain amount of accountability that is back in their court. Companies have been taken to task for less. George Dahlquist Dahlquist Printing & Graphics Orlando, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Dellinger" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 4:06 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >> Do I smell the possible makings of a class action suit for damages ??? >> George Dahlquist >> Dahlquist Printing & Graphics > > I really don't think so. We've spent a BUNCH of money on that press. I'm > sure we'll spend a bunch more in the future, but it does run what it's > designed to run very well. And we have made a lot of money with it. I > think > they just didn't engineer and construct it as well as their larger > presses. > Then again, maybe most of us wouldn't have paid $100,000 for the press if > it > had been built heavier. I'm sure they had to make a compromise between > price > and longevity. It's just too bad there isn't anything else on the market > that comes close to it's capabilities. It's really the only game in town > for > small, quick presses. Making them want to quit selling the press would be > counter-productive. Of course, maybe they've already decided that? > > Craig Dellinger > New Haven Print & Copy > 7531 US 930 East > Fort Wayne, IN 46803 > 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 > www.newhavenprint.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From acepm2 at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 16:22:38 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Tue Apr 8 16:22:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Was: QM46-2 ????? Now: H press longevity? In-Reply-To: References: <20080408175344.6BBAFEC377C@rb.enter.net> <47FB7F57.6872.121D3F40@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: Jace Said: "... I bring a technician in once a year to go through everything, tune them up and change whatever needs to be changed. He usually spends one day but never more than two, and for about $4,000 to $6,000 a year (depending on how much rubber needs replacement) we keep all four presses running like clockwork. I don't remember having a press "down" in a number of years." Jace, I cannot agree with you more. When I first met John Henry (on the phone.... years ago when he could spell!) he gave me that little tid bit. Said that I should have "whoever" we bought the press from come in yearly to do a PM. Well, being that we are about 3 hours from Big H, that's what I did...and still do to this day. I'm no mechanic. Hell, I can barely turn the press on. I marvel at owners who know how to run a press. I just don't have that type of talent to be able to do it. I would rather be meeting with clients and taking orders. Something I know I can do well. But you are right. It pays to invest a little bit each year. It'll keep you smiling all the time. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com From russ at mobile-print.com Tue Apr 8 16:25:22 2008 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Tue Apr 8 16:27:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM 46-2... Robin, don't hate me. In-Reply-To: <010101c899ad$8f67b6f0$ae3724d0$@com> References: <010101c899ad$8f67b6f0$ae3724d0$@com> Message-ID: <47FBD4B2.2090100@mobile-print.com> > Nothing is going to last forever > anymore. Nothing. > > > I don't know about forever, but our Mehlie Verticals, Windmill & Kluge are lasting quite well. We just picked up 2 more Kluges, too. And we could have gotten one heck of a deal on a pair of Linotypes... Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Apr 8 16:29:18 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Apr 8 16:29:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM 46-2... Robin, don't hate me. Message-ID: Thom, Simon, Chuck, Craig, Joseph and others -- you really must understand me better! I use this list to vent, get perspectives and resources. I've never EVER been afraid to spend money to make money! I'm just venting because....because I'm old-fashioned and DO NOT want to accept the fact the someone would actually build obsolescence into a piece of machinery. Sure, I know they do but golly, gee whiz! Joseph -- stop digging for that info. on the two screws that adjust PU2 -- been there, done that! Did anyone answer Simon's question: what's the smallest press built by H that will last more than 5 years???? AND, have any improvements been made to this machine in the last 5-6 years? Shoot, Scott gets frustrated with me.....Charlene teases me.....I'm just blabbing and somehow, some way, making money and growing! Must be all the therapy your ALL provide for me free of charge!!!! Just think how stupid it would have been if I went out a bought a new press and all I really needed to do was adjust the blanket packing or adjust a couple screws! HA! :)))))))))))) robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Apr 8 16:33:48 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Apr 8 16:33:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Was: QM46-2 ????? Now: H press longevity? Message-ID: Jace, you left off one thing -- what press are you recommending as a suitable replacement to the QM46-2? How will the press you recommend compare is ease of set-up for short runs? Other comparisons re: automation? robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From greg at pressexpress.org Tue Apr 8 16:35:29 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Tue Apr 8 16:35:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? In-Reply-To: <20080408200117.60C7FEC3E99@rb.enter.net> References: <20080408200117.60C7FEC3E99@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Watching this thread, I must input too. Way too many complaints against the QM46-2. 30 million impressions? I really don't see many copiers getting that. Heck, my Canon iRunner 3200 is built like a disposable bic lighter, meaning, it is built as a disposable item! When the lease is up, you throw it away and get another! How many of you out there has a copy machine that is 5 years or older? Not many. We pay per click for our copier service and yes, they are in almost monthly if not weekly constantly tweaking the machine, replacing drums, feed rollers, etc. We pay thousands of dollars yearly for service on our copiers. Your QM46-2 is a tool. Yes you paid bookoo bucks for it, but is it making you money? Heck yea! If it isn't, well get rid of it and stop your whining. I love my Heidi! Sorry about the rant, bad day with my copiers! I am going to go print a job now and make some money! Greg On Apr 8, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Craig Dellinger wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >> Do I smell the possible makings of a class action suit for >> damages ??? >> George Dahlquist >> Dahlquist Printing & Graphics > > I really don't think so. We've spent a BUNCH of money on that press. > I'm > sure we'll spend a bunch more in the future, but it does run what it's > designed to run very well. And we have made a lot of money with it. > I think > they just didn't engineer and construct it as well as their larger > presses. > Then again, maybe most of us wouldn't have paid $100,000 for the > press if it > had been built heavier. I'm sure they had to make a compromise > between price > and longevity. It's just too bad there isn't anything else on the > market > that comes close to it's capabilities. It's really the only game in > town for > small, quick presses. Making them want to quit selling the press > would be > counter-productive. Of course, maybe they've already decided that? > > Craig Dellinger > New Haven Print & Copy > 7531 US 930 East > Fort Wayne, IN 46803 > 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 > www.newhavenprint.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From eric at prioritypress.com Tue Apr 8 16:40:00 2008 From: eric at prioritypress.com (Eric Mance) Date: Tue Apr 8 16:40:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Was: QM46-2 ????? Now: H press longevity? Message-ID: >> "... I bring a technician in once a year to go through everything, tune them up and change whatever needs to be changed. >> We do the same thing and have had very little down time due to press failure. Eric Mance Priority Press 132 Shaker Rd East Longmeadow, MA 01028 413-525-6111 413-525-2681 fax www.prioritypress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Thom Gulyas Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 4:23 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Was: QM46-2 ????? Now: H press longevity? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Jace Said: "... I bring a technician in once a year to go through everything, tune them up and change whatever needs to be changed. He usually spends one day but never more than two, and for about $4,000 to $6,000 a year (depending on how much rubber needs replacement) we keep all four presses running like clockwork. I don't remember having a press "down" in a number of years." Jace, I cannot agree with you more. When I first met John Henry (on the phone.... years ago when he could spell!) he gave me that little tid bit. Said that I should have "whoever" we bought the press from come in yearly to do a PM. Well, being that we are about 3 hours from Big H, that's what I did...and still do to this day. I'm no mechanic. Hell, I can barely turn the press on. I marvel at owners who know how to run a press. I just don't have that type of talent to be able to do it. I would rather be meeting with clients and taking orders. Something I know I can do well. But you are right. It pays to invest a little bit each year. It'll keep you smiling all the time. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From k_graham at hotmail.com Tue Apr 8 16:58:10 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Tue Apr 8 16:58:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? References: <1A2B8C94-24E6-4EE3-A393-1E76FC51FDCC@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: > we run some but not tons of 2 and 3 part RPC Carbonless, "superior" -- > all parts are 20# -- without problem on our iR105 and now iR7095 > Robin Niewold We tried running NCR on our IR105 but found the feed rollers would wear out in a few 1000 sheets. Have had more success with our IR7200 and an IR6000. However the IR6000 had troubles with 11x17 getting damaged. As we are not with Ikon and paying for service rather than clicks we now run the machines as much as possible with 8.5x11. I know you've tried everything Robin but theres no chance the plates are out of Register? Either you would have to try them on another Heidelberg or you could set up something with many crosshairs and print first on 1 then on the other cylinder. Or perhaps someone else has a better test. It would be a shame to replace the press and find out it was the plates wouldn't it. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 From jacemeister at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 17:01:49 2008 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Tue Apr 8 17:02:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Was: QM46-2 ????? Now: H press longevity? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think that should be the job of the salesmen, Robin. I'm not familiar enough with the various models Heidelberg manufactures, so I would be hard-pressed to make an intelligent comparison. I would think a 2800 or 3200 would be in the same league, and you can pick and choose which bells & whistles you need. Despite what a few folks have said over the years about ink trains, I think anyone would be impressed with some of the work we've pulled off our 3302. I've pulled full-coverage reversed solids and some gorgeous 4-color process off it. Scott Cappel should be able to back me up on that. I'll readily admit I wouldn't like having to go back to running 4-color process on a 2-color press, but if I had to do it I'd certainly choose a 3302 over any common blanket press. I don't know how prices vary these days on new presses, but dollar for dollar I'd be willing to bet that if Consumer Reports offered research on printing presses Ryobi would probably be a best overall choice in many categories. I don't know what kinds of jobs you run most, but in my shop Super Blue and a good dryer is a must on all presses. Over the years my operators have generally preferred Kompac water systems whereas I've always preferred Crestline. We've had differing opinions on dryers as well. I'd let my operators compare and make their recommendations without regard to costs! I don't even tell them what the base prices are, or costs for various features. I want them to tell me what they want or don't want, then I get with them to decide what features are worth the costs. More often than not I buy what they like over what I like. I want them to have the best available. I think you feel the same. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Jace, > you left off one thing -- what press are you recommending as a suitable > replacement to the QM46-2? How will the press you recommend compare is ease > of set-up for short runs? > Other comparisons re: automation? > robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > > From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Tue Apr 8 17:24:50 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Tue Apr 8 17:24:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM 46-2... Robin, don't hate me. In-Reply-To: <20080408205831.3449FEC419E@rb.enter.net> References: <20080408205831.3449FEC419E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <0bbcb32e9ea3a6fa784aa8f7c3d10229@sheergraphics.com> > Thom, Simon, Chuck, Craig, Joseph and others -- you really must > understand me better! I use this list to vent, get perspectives and > resources. Ah! Robin. Don't ask us men to understand a woman! Does Jim? > Did anyone answer Simon's question: what's the smallest press built by > H that will last more than 5 years???? That wasn't my question, but again, does anybody have a larger sized Heidelberg (26" or wider) who can share maintenance experience after 30mm impressions? Rollers certainly have to be replaced/recovered regardless of use. Rubber hardens over time and rollers lose their velvety affinity for water and oily ink. > AND, have any improvements been made to this machine in the last 5-6 > years? Undoubtedly, if not obviously. Feed table, pile-raising gear assembly and who knows what. > Must be all the therapy your ALL provide for me free of charge!!!! > Just think how stupid it would have been if I went out a bought a new > press and all I really needed to do was adjust the blanket packing or > adjust a couple screws! HA! Well, it's better than ranting and sending a customer packing, even if he does have a screw loose! Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Tue Apr 8 17:46:12 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Tue Apr 8 17:47:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Was: QM46-2 ????? Now: H press longevity? In-Reply-To: References: <20080408175344.6BBAFEC377C@rb.enter.net><47FB7F57.6872.121D3F40@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: Service is the main reason I will never purchase an H. I have one now from a competitor I bought out but it costs about $1,200 for any call, and that is without them doing anything. Service is from Chicago and last time I checked they charged $125/hr travel time and it is 4 hours each way. Since 8 hours is taken up with driving, I have an overnight charge along with that. Anybody know a good independent H tech in northeast Wisconsin? Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jace Prejean Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 3:10 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Was: QM46-2 ????? Now: H press longevity? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Service has been a major reason for my choosing to buy Ryobi's rather than Heidelberg's since opening my shop in 1983. I can't count the complaints I've witnessed on this list about Heidelberg's outragious prices for parts and service. E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From scott at usacolor.com Tue Apr 8 17:47:59 2008 From: scott at usacolor.com (scott) Date: Tue Apr 8 17:48:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] small heidelberg press In-Reply-To: <0bbcb32e9ea3a6fa784aa8f7c3d10229@sheergraphics.com> References: <20080408205831.3449FEC419E@rb.enter.net> <0bbcb32e9ea3a6fa784aa8f7c3d10229@sheergraphics.com> Message-ID: <47FBE80F.9030908@usacolor.com> years ago H made a 10"x15" press, anyone have any experience with the reliability of those? I also own a QM, and yes its fast and the auto loader and blanket washer are nice.....it still eats away at your pocket book. I spend more money yearly fixing that press then I spend fixing a 5 color 26". Yes the 5 color was $300k, but it also gets 20M impressions + a year put on it. Scott Balsiger, President USA Color Printing Inc. www.usacolor.com 791 Mahnomen Dr. Bemidji, MN 56601 800-759-9126 218-759-9126 218-759-2883(fax) 218-556-5505(cell) Simon Sheers wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> Thom, Simon, Chuck, Craig, Joseph and others -- you really must >> understand me better! I use this list to vent, get perspectives and >> resources. > > Ah! Robin. Don't ask us men to understand a woman! Does Jim? > >> Did anyone answer Simon's question: what's the smallest press built >> by H that will last more than 5 years???? > > That wasn't my question, but again, does anybody have a larger sized > Heidelberg (26" or wider) who can share maintenance experience after > 30mm impressions? > > Rollers certainly have to be replaced/recovered regardless of use. > Rubber hardens over time and rollers lose their velvety affinity for > water and oily ink. > >> AND, have any improvements been made to this machine in the last 5-6 >> years? > > Undoubtedly, if not obviously. Feed table, pile-raising gear assembly > and who knows what. > >> Must be all the therapy your ALL provide for me free of charge!!!! >> Just think how stupid it would have been if I went out a bought a new >> press and all I really needed to do was adjust the blanket packing or >> adjust a couple screws! HA! > > Well, it's better than ranting and sending a customer packing, even if > he does have a screw loose! > > > Please reply to Simon Sheers at: > > > Sheer Graphics Inc. > 47 Chestnut Avenue, > Westmont, IL 60559-1127 > Tel: (630) 654-4422 > > Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Apr 8 18:52:29 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Apr 8 18:52:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? Message-ID: <71C43710-AC31-4ABA-8D02-FE9EF592CBD1@protypeonline.com> Ken, the Rip-It plates were the very first thing we checked! And double- checked and Rip-It was great in helping us -- thanks for your input. robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From k_graham at hotmail.com Tue Apr 8 23:08:54 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Tue Apr 8 23:09:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? References: <71C43710-AC31-4ABA-8D02-FE9EF592CBD1@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: > Ken, > the Rip-It plates were the very first thing we checked! And double- > checked and Rip-It was great in helping us -- thanks for your input. > robin Are you using plastic or Metal? Our Ripit Speedsetter is an accurate virtual drum machine but I came back from holidays once to find the graphic artist had forgot the inserts for the negative roll ends, the roll was dragging around inside the box and the thing was still working but I was some time before I figured why the negs were scratching. What do you mean by checked - did you put them on another Printmaster and they worked there, thats probably the only guarantee? What brand blankets are you using - I expect in addition to packing you also tried new blankets? Do you have trapping with your Ripit and was it used to make the plates? If not I suggest the 30 day trial. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 From dvmonto at optonline.net Wed Apr 9 08:43:35 2008 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Wed Apr 9 08:43:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Konica Minolta to Acquire Danka Office Imaging In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://members.whattheythink.com/news/newslink.cfm?id=31497 -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls "Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals and dying of nothing." ?Redd Foxx From ron at printingconcepts.com Wed Apr 9 10:46:13 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Wed Apr 9 10:46:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] H-BERG MYSTIQUE Message-ID: My first press was a Windmill that I probably ran 8 hours a day for 10 years without putting $500 in it. These presses were followed by the offset KORD which was also incredibly reliable and indestructible. I knew guys in the 80's who bought one, used them for 10 years and sold them for about what they paid for them. I think these machines built a mystique for Heidelberg that later became undeserved. With the introduction of the 74 in the 90's a UK trade paper detailed the horrific problems H had in the field with these machines, requiring $30million in field upgrades. I knew a guy who had one of these installed and it nearly put him out of business until Hberg got it right. And his response to the problem: "H flew in a whole tower from Germany, they really did a great job," notwithstanding the machine should have been right to begin with. Then I saw many smaller printers get excited when the QM-46 came out because they could afford to own a real Heidelberg. It was a status thing and probably the best press they had on their floor, but still the obvious elephant in the living room was why should a three year old press purchased new need thousands of dollars worth of repairs? When I questioned the H rep regarding a local printer having to replace a cylinder, he replied, "But Ron, the guy got three good years of use out of the press before that happened." I have never worked anywhere where I had to have a cylinder replaced so this is why we have stayed away from these presses. I appreciate the others on this list that have shared their experiences with the QM46,etc.. It has kept us from making a mistake and buying one of these. The take home lesson is, buy through the results of good research, not on status, especially undeserved status. BTW, we own two 46" Polar cutters, an auto unloader, and jogger, so I am not totally biased against H. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From meadows at allegranet.com Wed Apr 9 10:56:06 2008 From: meadows at allegranet.com (Michael Tarpinian) Date: Wed Apr 9 10:56:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] buying a new QM 46-2 Message-ID: <7EDFB8EB-FFF4-47C1-ACC2-23FC93C958F3@allegranet.com> Good morning, I have been following the previous discussion quite closely. With good reason. After my loan application clears my bank's loan committee, I will buying a new 46-2. Now I am not so sure. Looks like I would be a fool to do so. Our 13+ year old 3302 has seen better days. About two years ago we sold our 1990 model Itek 3985 and put the $7,500 proceeds into the 3302. Now it runs reliably, but needs some more minor repairs and parts. Even after spending all that money, there is a lot it can't do like solids, or large printed areas. We still find ourselves sending out about $500 a month in printing to other printers for stuff this press should print. That is what they are billing us?although it is really close to our selling price too. This hurts. After getting out of a bad business partnership, I had to spend considerable time and money upgrading the rest of the shop. The last sorry piece was our two color. When I finally made up my mind to upgrade this press, no other model was on the list. I never considered getting another 3302. Now I'm not so comfortable signing the deal on the 46-2. Not sure I have a question here. The lists prior discussion has asked the questions I have to answer for myself. - - - - - - Michael Tarpinian Allegra Print & Imaging 5410 Newport Drive, Suite 31 Rolling Meadows, IL 60008 T 847/398-2500 F 847/398-2979 www.allegraUSA.com Printing | Mailing | Posters & Banners | Promotional Products From swiftyprinting at mac.com Wed Apr 9 11:04:08 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Wed Apr 9 11:04:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] buying a new QM 46-2 In-Reply-To: <7EDFB8EB-FFF4-47C1-ACC2-23FC93C958F3@allegranet.com> References: <7EDFB8EB-FFF4-47C1-ACC2-23FC93C958F3@allegranet.com> Message-ID: On Apr 9, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Michael Tarpinian wrote: > After getting out of a bad business partnership, I had to spend > considerable time and money upgrading the rest of the shop. The last > sorry piece was our two color. When I finally made up my mind to > upgrade this press, no other model was on the list. I never > considered getting another 3302. Now I'm not so comfortable signing > the deal on the 46-2. > > Not sure I have a question here. The lists prior discussion has > asked the questions I have to answer for myself. Here is what I would say after owning one. 1.)It will print like they say and be very productive. 2.) Budget about $2,500 per year for service (no you may not use it, but it will be there down the road for any major repair) 3.) Plan your costs/overhead as if the press will need to be replaced in 5 years (I would not suggest a rebuild). If you do all that you will be thrilled with your purchase and even more happy with the money you make from it. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From david.doost at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 11:13:00 2008 From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost) Date: Wed Apr 9 11:11:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Was: QM46-2 ??? Now: Independent Service Tech In-Reply-To: References: <20080408175344.6BBAFEC377C@rb.enter.net> <47FB7F57.6872.121D3F40@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <47fcdc81.1286460a.26f8.7d1e@mx.google.com> Just to chime in ..a little late about this post... I couldn't agree any more with Jace's post -particularly about the need for doing PM's. We had to learn the hard way many years ago! Sorry about this cross post but think that it applies to this subject as well: As most know Heidelberg is still going through tough times so they are discontinuing the free 800 hotline, raising prices on service (charging full rates for travel hours & mileage), ...and in the process have also laid off some really good service techs. If anyone wants the contact info for an independent H service tech in the Southeast, I have a guy I highly recommend. If you are interested in his info, email me off-list and I will send you a PDF with his info and rates. He was just here yesterday doing Preventative Maintenance on our QM & PM (these are his area of expertise). He is visiting three other clients in Atlanta so the cost of travel was split three ways. I have known him 23 plus years (used to work for Itek many moons ago and worked on our Ryobi presses while he was an independent). I have never had cause to question his integrity or honesty. He does not take the lazy (read: expensive) way out of a problem. I think the value we get is very fair plus he never charges us for phone support!! David Doost Printing Impression Kennesaw, GA 30144 770-422-8766 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jace Prejean Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 4:10 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Was: QM46-2 ????? Now: H press longevity? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Service has been a major reason for my choosing to buy Ryobi's rather than Heidelberg's since opening my shop in 1983. I've visited many shops and watched Heidelberg's and Ryobi's both run hard, and owners obviously make money off both, just as they do with AB Dick's, Multilith's and other brands. I made a good living for years running a Chief 17, and wish they were still being manufactured! But I found it odd that owners bragged and bragged about how great the Heidelberg's were, yet what I witnessed was often counter to their testament. One of my biggest disappointments were the countless jams from the auto plate ejectors. The operators will usually say whatever the owner wants to hear, but when you get one aside they will often confide that the presses don't stand up to all the hype. I've been fortunate to have gotten excellent results with the various Ryobi presses I've owned, and still have an old 2800 built in 1978 that we run daily, in addition to a 3200, 3302 and 524. I bring a technician in once a year to go through everything, tune them up and change whatever needs to be changed. He usually spends one day but never more than two, and for about $4,000 to $6,000 a year (depending on how much rubber needs replacement) we keep all four presses running like clockwork. I don't remember having a press "down" in a number of years. Ryobi makes excellent presses and duplicators, and if I were in the market today I would lean toward Ryobi or Komori (Lithrone). Hard to beat either. They are reliable, will print anything a Heidelberg can print (only faster), and are more economical to own and maintain. Not to mention they just don't break down if you maintain them properly. I can't count the complaints I've witnessed on this list about Heidelberg's outragious prices for parts and service. They may even have beaten Xerox in that arena . Heidelberg might have a slight advantage on the resale value, but if you're buying presses for their resale value I believe you're in the wrong business . Anyway, I have no vested interest in any particular brand and encourage you to buy whatever will help you make the highest profits. I just wanted to step out and let folks like Robin know that there are some excellent alternatives and you don't have to put up with inferior service, especially by a company who won't warranty their work. That sure does sound a like the stories we've been hearing about Xerox, doesn't it? -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Steve Blatman wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I find this whole thread kind of incongruous. I have no doubt that > all of you are experiencing problems with this press, and I have > never owned one, but I have a KORD that was built in the 1960s that > still prints and registers. H certainly knows how to build presses > that last, but it seems that they decided not to do that for the "low > end" of the market. > > On that note, we all know folks who have GTOs that keep going and > going--did they screw up the PM52 like they appear to have done that > QM? How far up the line do you have to go with H these days to find a > well built, long lasting press? > > Just curious... > > Steve > > > > > > If you remember Robin, I had this same complaint about 2 years ago after > > spending around 15k in one year on that press. Everybody thought I must > have > > gotten a lemon - maybe not? I think the press has obsolescence designed > into > > it. The problem is, there just isn't anything better on the market for > those > > short runs. I'm pretty sure I'll never purchase another one. There isn't > > much that the digital presses can't do as well or better (other than > > envelopes - and we use a Ryobi 3302 for those). > > > > Craig Dellinger > > New Haven Print & Copy > > 7531 US 930 East > > Fort Wayne, IN 46803 > > 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 > > www.newhavenprint.com > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:31 PM > > > To: printowners printowners > > > Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? > > > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > so nobody thinks it is unusual that the QM46-2's useful life > > > for dead- on registration is 5-6 years/30million impressions? > > > Have you replaced your QM46-2 after this length of time? Or > > > just delegated it to quick and dirty short run offset jobs? > > > robin > > > > > > Robin Niewold > > > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > > > 130 N. Market Street > > > Paxton, IL 60957 > > > 217.379.4715 > > > robin@protypeonline.com > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From char at themasterspress.com Wed Apr 9 11:12:30 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Wed Apr 9 11:12:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] buying a new QM 46-2 In-Reply-To: <7EDFB8EB-FFF4-47C1-ACC2-23FC93C958F3@allegranet.com> References: <7EDFB8EB-FFF4-47C1-ACC2-23FC93C958F3@allegranet.com> Message-ID: <001501c89a54$219c2230$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Michael, I don't think you will be able to buy a better press, that is more productive then the HB for what it does. If you want 4color that is not the press. If you want to run fast high quality 1 color and 2 color there is not another press that will beat it. If you put 30 millions impressions on it you have made good money on it. Then decide what you will do next. JMHO ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Tarpinian Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 9:56 AM To: Printowners Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] buying a new QM 46-2 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Good morning, I have been following the previous discussion quite closely. With good reason. After my loan application clears my bank's loan committee, I will buying a new 46-2. Now I am not so sure. Looks like I would be a fool to do so. Our 13+ year old 3302 has seen better days. About two years ago we sold our 1990 model Itek 3985 and put the $7,500 proceeds into the 3302. Now it runs reliably, but needs some more minor repairs and parts. Even after spending all that money, there is a lot it can't do like solids, or large printed areas. We still find ourselves sending out about $500 a month in printing to other printers for stuff this press should print. That is what they are billing us-although it is really close to our selling price too. This hurts. After getting out of a bad business partnership, I had to spend considerable time and money upgrading the rest of the shop. The last sorry piece was our two color. When I finally made up my mind to upgrade this press, no other model was on the list. I never considered getting another 3302. Now I'm not so comfortable signing the deal on the 46-2. Not sure I have a question here. The lists prior discussion has asked the questions I have to answer for myself. - - - - - - Michael Tarpinian Allegra Print & Imaging 5410 Newport Drive, Suite 31 Rolling Meadows, IL 60008 T 847/398-2500 F 847/398-2979 www.allegraUSA.com Printing | Mailing | Posters & Banners | Promotional Products _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3013 (20080409) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3013 (20080409) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Apr 9 11:13:06 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Apr 9 11:13:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] buying a new QM 46-2 Message-ID: In a message dated 4/9/2008 10:57:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, meadows@allegranet.com writes: Even after spending all that money, there is a lot it can't do like solids, or large printed areas. There are two features or attributes that allow printing of much better solids. One is a skip-feed device offered on many presses, that allows the press to pass only one sheet every two revolutions of the plate cylinders, thus doubling up on the inking capabilities. A much better way to handle many demands for large solids is using both heads to print the same large block of color, however most folks who have success at this typically lay down a 50-70% screen using one head followed up by a 100% coverage using the second head. Depending upon the orientation of the solid, there are some situations that may be impossible to lay down a large, well balanced solid without using other tricks of the trade. As good as each press is or is not, you simply cannot fairly compare a QM 46-2 with a 3302. One is a common blanket press while the other uses to separate blankets to transfer the image. As a side note, I attended the initial introduction of the Printmaster in Heidelberg many years ago, and I am not sure that the corporate mind-set at Heidelberg ever fully adapted or adopted the premise that they could manufacture, market and sell small presses with price tags less than $100,000 alongside presses costing $1 to $4 million and more. I have no doubt in my mind that the more experienced technicians and assemblers in Heidelberg prefer working on the big, professional machines as opposed to the little duplicators. That's just a fact of life. I suspect It is difficult to maintain the appropriate "Esprit de Corps" and even respect for your product line when you have such a diverse line of products. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) From kellycrom at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 11:24:15 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Wed Apr 9 11:24:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] buying a new QM 46-2 In-Reply-To: <7EDFB8EB-FFF4-47C1-ACC2-23FC93C958F3@allegranet.com> References: <7EDFB8EB-FFF4-47C1-ACC2-23FC93C958F3@allegranet.com> Message-ID: <00dc01c89a55$c6904360$6d01a8c0@KELLY> As with any piece of equipment you can buy, there may always be a "bad one in the bunch". You have seen recently a few Printowners who have had bad experiences with their machines, but I would be willing to bet that most of us on this list who own QM 46's, haven't chimed in at all about how great their press runs, and how reliable a machine it has been. We have a 46-2 and a 46. Both run great. I think the best variable we all should look at when buying nowadays, is the same as many of us has said about buying digital machines(copiers) it's all about the service. The machine could be an awesome piece of equipment, but if you don't have a good service/support system to rely on(hopefully local), then the risk on your investment goes up. If you are still that nervous about going ahead with it, why not look at an extended/annual service contract with Heidelberg? Sure, it probably adds quite a bit more money, but if it gives you the peace of mind regarding your purchase, then maybe you have to look into it. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > Michael Tarpinian > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 9:56 AM > To: Printowners Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] buying a new QM 46-2 > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Good morning, > > I have been following the previous discussion quite closely. > With good > reason. After my loan application clears my bank's loan committee, I > will buying a new 46-2. Now I am not so sure. Looks like I > would be a > fool to do so. > > Our 13+ year old 3302 has seen better days. About two years ago we > sold our 1990 model Itek 3985 and put the $7,500 proceeds into the > 3302. Now it runs reliably, but needs some more minor repairs and > parts. Even after spending all that money, there is a lot it > can't do > like solids, or large printed areas. We still find ourselves sending > out about $500 a month in printing to other printers for stuff this > press should print. That is what they are billing us-although it is > really close to our selling price too. This hurts. > > After getting out of a bad business partnership, I had to spend > considerable time and money upgrading the rest of the shop. The last > sorry piece was our two color. When I finally made up my mind to > upgrade this press, no other model was on the list. I never > considered > getting another 3302. Now I'm not so comfortable signing the deal on > the 46-2. > > Not sure I have a question here. The lists prior discussion > has asked > the questions I have to answer for myself. > > > - - - - - - > Michael Tarpinian > Allegra Print & Imaging > 5410 Newport Drive, Suite 31 > Rolling Meadows, IL 60008 > > T 847/398-2500 > F 847/398-2979 > www.allegraUSA.com > > Printing | Mailing | Posters & Banners | Promotional Products > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From info at desktopsxm.com Wed Apr 9 11:27:11 2008 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Wed Apr 9 11:25:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] buying a new QM 46-2 In-Reply-To: <001501c89a54$219c2230$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <7EDFB8EB-FFF4-47C1-ACC2-23FC93C958F3@allegranet.com> <001501c89a54$219c2230$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: I think what one has to also consider is the availability of pressman for this press as well as the type of market you are in. For instance, being on an island there is only so much volume I can produce. I cannot go to the next town or next island to increase business so we are limited in our production. Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten Tel 542-4044 fax 543-1100 "The Printshop with a Difference" On Apr 9, 2008, at 11:12 AM, Charlene Sims wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Michael, I don't think you will be able to buy a better press, that > is more > productive then the HB for what it does. If you want 4color that > is not the > press. If you want to run fast high quality 1 color and 2 color > there is > not another press that will beat it. If you put 30 millions > impressions on > it you have made good money on it. Then decide what you will do next. > JMHO > ch > > Charlene Sims > President > The Master's Press, Inc. > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > www.TheMastersPress.com > char@themasterspress.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael > Tarpinian > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 9:56 AM > To: Printowners Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] buying a new QM 46-2 > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Good morning, > > I have been following the previous discussion quite closely. With good > reason. After my loan application clears my bank's loan committee, I > will buying a new 46-2. Now I am not so sure. Looks like I would be a > fool to do so. > > Our 13+ year old 3302 has seen better days. About two years ago we > sold our 1990 model Itek 3985 and put the $7,500 proceeds into the > 3302. Now it runs reliably, but needs some more minor repairs and > parts. Even after spending all that money, there is a lot it can't do > like solids, or large printed areas. We still find ourselves sending > out about $500 a month in printing to other printers for stuff this > press should print. That is what they are billing us-although it is > really close to our selling price too. This hurts. > > After getting out of a bad business partnership, I had to spend > considerable time and money upgrading the rest of the shop. The last > sorry piece was our two color. When I finally made up my mind to > upgrade this press, no other model was on the list. I never considered > getting another 3302. Now I'm not so comfortable signing the deal on > the 46-2. > > Not sure I have a question here. The lists prior discussion has asked > the questions I have to answer for myself. > > > - - - - - - > Michael Tarpinian > Allegra Print & Imaging > 5410 Newport Drive, Suite 31 > Rolling Meadows, IL 60008 > > T 847/398-2500 > F 847/398-2979 > www.allegraUSA.com > > Printing | Mailing | Posters & Banners | Promotional Products > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 3013 (20080409) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 3013 (20080409) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From eugene at zapcolor.com Wed Apr 9 11:31:01 2008 From: eugene at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Wed Apr 9 11:31:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: QM46-2 ????? The true design of the press In-Reply-To: <20080409144623.65B6EEC6018@rb.enter.net> References: <20080409144623.65B6EEC6018@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <200804091531.m39FV1WV018247@pmail2550.carrierzone.com> I have seen the comments about the costs to maintain, and although I have lusted after one of these for years, I guess I am glad I have been unable/unwilling to pull the trigger. Our 3302(3985) is soo old that I can't even remember when we bought it, well over 15 years old and it seldom requires more than $1000 per year, not including rollers, to maintain. Our 3304 does cost more to maintain, BUT it does run 4 colors at once, most of the time :) The QM and the predecessor were from H's purchase of Rotaprint, a company NEVER known for good, well built presses. Obviously the design mentality and quality has been kept the same for a few reasons. First they could cheapen them and sell for top dollar. Second they never have wanted the presses to cannibalize from a REAL Heidelberg. So in hindsight, I guess we made a good decision not to buy, other than we need a "real" press operator to run a 3302. Eugene On Apr 9, 2008, at 7:46 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From scott at usacolor.com Wed Apr 9 11:43:15 2008 From: scott at usacolor.com (Scott Balsiger) Date: Wed Apr 9 11:43:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] buying a new QM 46-2 In-Reply-To: <7EDFB8EB-FFF4-47C1-ACC2-23FC93C958F3@allegranet.com> References: <7EDFB8EB-FFF4-47C1-ACC2-23FC93C958F3@allegranet.com> Message-ID: <47FCE413.60900@usacolor.com> I've had both and currently have a QM. Heres my take on each press: 1. Only big H can fix the QM. Many repair people, and possibly yourself can fix a 3302. 2. Part costs for the QM are insane, 3302 - reasonable. 3. Very hard to see whats happening in the feeder on a QM. 3302 is good 4. Plate inserter and blanket wash attachment is great on the QM 5. Common blanket hasn't been a problem on the QM for us 6. How many people on this list complain about their 3302's??? 6. With H's change of business regarding tech support I would stay away from buying one. As Chuck said, if you can put $2500 aside and be ready to toss the unit 5 years go for it. I would prefer to keep the $200 a month. Plus with H's policy changes I think that amount would need to be increased. 7. A 3302 is for sale on ebay for about 30k with less then 3 million impressions. Take the $25,000 you saved, and put that money into marketing! Scott Balsiger President USA Color Printing Inc. www.usacolor.com 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN. 56601 218-759-9126 800-759-9126 218-556-5505(Cell) 218-759-2883(fax) Michael Tarpinian wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Good morning, > > I have been following the previous discussion quite closely. With > good reason. After my loan application clears my bank's loan > committee, I will buying a new 46-2. Now I am not so sure. Looks like > I would be a fool to do so. > > Our 13+ year old 3302 has seen better days. About two years ago we > sold our 1990 model Itek 3985 and put the $7,500 proceeds into the > 3302. Now it runs reliably, but needs some more minor repairs and > parts. Even after spending all that money, there is a lot it can't do > like solids, or large printed areas. We still find ourselves sending > out about $500 a month in printing to other printers for stuff this > press should print. That is what they are billing us?although it is > really close to our selling price too. This hurts. > > After getting out of a bad business partnership, I had to spend > considerable time and money upgrading the rest of the shop. The last > sorry piece was our two color. When I finally made up my mind to > upgrade this press, no other model was on the list. I never > considered getting another 3302. Now I'm not so comfortable signing > the deal on the 46-2. > > Not sure I have a question here. The lists prior discussion has asked > the questions I have to answer for myself. > > > - - - - - - > Michael Tarpinian > Allegra Print & Imaging > 5410 Newport Drive, Suite 31 > Rolling Meadows, IL 60008 > > T 847/398-2500 > F 847/398-2979 > www.allegraUSA.com > > Printing | Mailing | Posters & Banners | Promotional Products > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed Apr 9 11:45:14 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed Apr 9 11:45:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? In-Reply-To: <1A2B8C94-24E6-4EE3-A393-1E76FC51FDCC@protypeonline.com> References: <1A2B8C94-24E6-4EE3-A393-1E76FC51FDCC@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <8CA686FD63AF242-14B0-1238@WEBMAIL-MA01.sysops.aol.com> We run carbonless everyday on our Canon 7095 single & double sided.? Best part of running ncr on copiers, is when you have marginal's it will do all.? When you print with marginal's on a press,?you have to print each sheet separate let dry, collate & then pad.? Digital is?two step print & pad! Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Robin Niewold To: printowners printowners Sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 3:45 pm Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? we run some but not tons of 2 and 3 part RPC Carbonless, "superior" -- all parts are 20# -- without problem on our iR105 and now iR7095....but would sure like to know if someone has a digital machine that will run carbonless all day long without any problems.? ??? I would go all digital in a heartbeat if I could solve the registration, carbonless and envelopes issues.? robin? ? p.s. Craig -- I don't have a building big enough for one of those digital beasts you run!? ? Robin Niewold? Pro-Type Printing, Inc.? 130 N. Market Street? Paxton, IL 60957? 217.379.4715? robin@protypeonline.com? ? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From dominick at fmtc.com Wed Apr 9 11:52:31 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Wed Apr 9 11:52:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] buying a new QM 46-2 In-Reply-To: <47FCE413.60900@usacolor.com> References: <7EDFB8EB-FFF4-47C1-ACC2-23FC93C958F3@allegranet.com> <47FCE413.60900@usacolor.com> Message-ID: <47FCE63F.20209@fmtc.com> Wow Scott, well said! I have a 3302, new in '99. Still new with only 14 million on it. Your comments about fix yourself is correct. Have only had to fix what I have broke. The 2 heads are fantastic for us. We use it like 2 presses. Keep head one black, and if we have some one color jobs, simply use head 2 independent. And because we use only water base roller cleaners, a set of rollers is lasting us 2 years or more. Your #7 is the best answer. Marketing... Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Scott Balsiger wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I've had both and currently have a QM. > Heres my take on each press: > 1. Only big H can fix the QM. Many repair people, and possibly > yourself can fix a 3302. > 2. Part costs for the QM are insane, 3302 - reasonable. > 3. Very hard to see whats happening in the feeder on a QM. 3302 is good > 4. Plate inserter and blanket wash attachment is great on the QM > 5. Common blanket hasn't been a problem on the QM for us > 6. How many people on this list complain about their 3302's??? > 6. With H's change of business regarding tech support I would stay > away from buying one. As Chuck said, if you can put $2500 aside and be > ready to toss the unit 5 years go for it. I would prefer to keep the > $200 a month. Plus with H's policy changes I think that amount would > need to be increased. > 7. A 3302 is for sale on ebay for about 30k with less then 3 million > impressions. Take the $25,000 you saved, and put that money into > marketing! > > Scott Balsiger President > USA Color Printing Inc. > www.usacolor.com > 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN. 56601 > 218-759-9126 > 800-759-9126 > 218-556-5505(Cell) > 218-759-2883(fax) > > From john at foxprinting.biz Wed Apr 9 12:12:59 2008 From: john at foxprinting.biz (John Schroeder) Date: Wed Apr 9 12:15:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] dated copies In-Reply-To: <47FCE63F.20209@fmtc.com> References: <7EDFB8EB-FFF4-47C1-ACC2-23FC93C958F3@allegranet.com> <47FCE413.60900@usacolor.com> <47FCE63F.20209@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <571E0972-26BB-4476-943A-1DD2F477BDF9@foxprinting.biz> Our Xerox 4110 will date the copies but we need suggestions on how to price it. The job is 2 sets of 3000 single sided 8.5 x 11. How much do you add to the per copy price for the dating? Also, what would you charge to scan that job and put on a cd? Thank you. John John Schroeder Fox Printing 802-658-9196 john@foxprinting.biz From sos at olympus.net Wed Apr 9 12:43:18 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Apr 9 12:41:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] buying a new QM 46-2 References: <7EDFB8EB-FFF4-47C1-ACC2-23FC93C958F3@allegranet.com> <00dc01c89a55$c6904360$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <0ef001c89a60$d17765a0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> I would be willing to bet that most of > us on this list who own QM 46's, haven't chimed in at all about how great > their press runs, and how reliable a machine it has been. We have a 46-2 > and > a 46. Both run great. ======================== I've had my QM 46-2 for 10 years now. The press has been great. We don't run it as hard as many, coming up on 26 million impressions. We've had a few service issues, but nothing unusual. Heidelberg service has been very poor, very slow. When we first bought the press, it must have been the first one they ever installed in the Northwest, 'cause holly shit, they didn't know anything about it, nor did we get any real training in how to run it or maintain it. When we got the 4 color GTO, used, not from Heidelberg, but I called H in to go over it, train us, etc. They still seemed to think it was a tiny little press, the guy they sent, who came up from Portland OR, finally admitted he usually worked on 40 inch presses. Now those are real presses. Definitely put us in our place, little podunk printer. . . Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From jeff at hprinting.biz Wed Apr 9 12:50:00 2008 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Wed Apr 9 12:49:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] buying a new QM 46-2 In-Reply-To: <00dc01c89a55$c6904360$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <7EDFB8EB-FFF4-47C1-ACC2-23FC93C958F3@allegranet.com> <00dc01c89a55$c6904360$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <20080409164953.14710.13040@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 11:24 AM 4/9/2008, you wrote: >As with any piece of equipment you can buy, there may always be a "bad one >in the bunch". You have seen recently a few Printowners who have had bad >experiences with their machines, but I would be willing to bet that most of >us on this list who own QM 46's, haven't chimed in at all about how great >their press runs, and how reliable a machine it has been. We have a 46-2 and >a 46. Both run great. I guess I'm scared to jump in. Ours has 32 million on it. It is a 1999 and is running great. We haven't done anything major for over 2 years. At that time we spent about $3,000 on it. We've maybe spent $5,000 on repairs outside of rollers. After reading all the problems on this list I'm getting scared as to when our will go. We've made good money in the last 8 years with it, but would hope to have many more years to come. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From prtquick at eos.net Wed Apr 9 14:36:20 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Wed Apr 9 14:32:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? In-Reply-To: <8CA686FD63AF242-14B0-1238@WEBMAIL-MA01.sysops.aol.com> References: <1A2B8C94-24E6-4EE3-A393-1E76FC51FDCC@protypeonline.com> <8CA686FD63AF242-14B0-1238@WEBMAIL-MA01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <9016F20E-A96D-45B9-A439-3FF4978DBB89@eos.net> I always wanted a QM, but our 3302 just keeps on printing. We looked at one real hard at a tradeshow, Gail just likes to say: "Kvikmashterrr" This discussion reminds me of cars. I've had both Volkswagens and Toyotas. Toyotas run & run, need little repair, often you can keep one running until you really do not want it anymore! My Volkswagens were better cars, a blast to drive (they got ffarfegnugen)- but were so expensive to maintain, and always in need of adjustments. Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing On Apr 9, 2008, at 11:45 AM, Tommy Melendez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We run carbonless everyday on our Canon 7095 single & double > sided.? Best part of running ncr on copiers, is when you have > marginal's it will do all.? When you print with marginal's on a > press,?you have to print each sheet separate let dry, collate & > then pad.? Digital is?two step print & pad! > > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robin Niewold > To: printowners printowners > Sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 3:45 pm > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? > ? > we run some but not tons of 2 and 3 part RPC Carbonless, "superior" > -- all parts are 20# -- without problem on our iR105 and now > iR7095....but would sure like to know if someone has a digital > machine that will run carbonless all day long without any problems.? > ??? I would go all digital in a heartbeat if I could solve the > registration, carbonless and envelopes issues.? > robin? > ? > p.s. Craig -- I don't have a building big enough for one of those > digital beasts you run!? > ? > Robin Niewold? > Pro-Type Printing, Inc.? > 130 N. Market Street? > Paxton, IL 60957? > 217.379.4715? > robin@protypeonline.com? > ? > ? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? > ? > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From kk1127 at mindspring.com Wed Apr 9 15:44:06 2008 From: kk1127 at mindspring.com (John Hughes) Date: Wed Apr 9 15:44:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF Question References: <1A2B8C94-24E6-4EE3-A393-1E76FC51FDCC@protypeonline.com><8CA686FD63AF242-14B0-1238@WEBMAIL-MA01.sysops.aol.com> <9016F20E-A96D-45B9-A439-3FF4978DBB89@eos.net> Message-ID: <007601c89a7a$139aaa50$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Graphics person is out. Customer sent a PDF for business card 3 x 5 with a 1/2 pt border. How can I remove the border. I have Acrobat 8.0, Quite and Pit Stop. TIA John Hughes Kwik Kopy Printing kk1127@mindspring.com From peter at keystonepress.com Wed Apr 9 15:44:09 2008 From: peter at keystonepress.com (Peter Church) Date: Wed Apr 9 15:47:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who has the Canon C7000 installed Message-ID: <011201c89a7a$151dc7e0$7d01a8c0@key.local> I am investigating it and would like to call and discuss your experience with it. thanks, Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 From prtquick at eos.net Wed Apr 9 09:27:22 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Wed Apr 9 15:54:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] NCR In-Reply-To: <00ad01c899aa$78d8bfe0$6a8a3fa0$@com> References: <00ad01c899aa$78d8bfe0$6a8a3fa0$@com> Message-ID: We run carbonless on our Cannon iR 8500. We buy it from Enviropaper. No problems. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing ? On Apr 8, 2008, at 2:58 PM, Tracey Cohen wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thom - > > We run NCR all the time on our Xerox machines. We don't have any > presses, > but we've never had a problem running NCR on our Nuveras or on our > Docutechs > before that. I can't speak to whether or not the quality is better > or worse > than that of a press, but we've not had any complaints. It's also > mostly > short run stuff - 100-5000 sets at a time. > > The brand of NCR paper we use is Excel. > > > Tracey G. Cohen > Target Copy > 850.224.3007 > 850.224.5014 fax > 635 West Tennessee Street > Tallahassee, Fl 32304 > tracey@targetcopy.com > > >> Craig, > >> Just out of curiosity, how well do your digital machines handle >> NCR (or >> whatever brand you're using?). > >> Also, WHICH digital machine are you running it on? I know you have >> one of >> the big guys... but perhaps one of the smaller ones run it as well? > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From joe at colorcraftprinting.com Wed Apr 9 16:13:15 2008 From: joe at colorcraftprinting.com (Joe Nutile) Date: Wed Apr 9 16:13:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] small heidelberg press In-Reply-To: <47FBE80F.9030908@usacolor.com> References: <20080408205831.3449FEC419E@rb.enter.net> <0bbcb32e9ea3a6fa784aa8f7c3d10229@sheergraphics.com> <47FBE80F.9030908@usacolor.com> Message-ID: <3BFBD2A3-A796-4AF5-BD5C-5890E975298F@colorcraftprinting.com> Worse than the QM Joe On Apr 8, 2008, at 2:47 PM, scott wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > years ago H made a 10"x15" press, anyone have any experience with > the reliability of those? I also own a QM, and yes its fast and the > auto loader and blanket washer are nice.....it still eats away at > your pocket book. I spend more money yearly fixing that press then > I spend fixing a 5 color 26". Yes the 5 color was $300k, but it > also gets 20M impressions + a year put on it. > > Scott Balsiger, President > USA Color Printing Inc. > www.usacolor.com > 791 Mahnomen Dr. > Bemidji, MN 56601 > 800-759-9126 > 218-759-9126 > 218-759-2883(fax) > 218-556-5505(cell) > > > > Simon Sheers wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>> Thom, Simon, Chuck, Craig, Joseph and others -- you really must >>> understand me better! I use this list to vent, get perspectives >>> and resources. >> >> Ah! Robin. Don't ask us men to understand a woman! Does Jim? >> >>> Did anyone answer Simon's question: what's the smallest press >>> built by H that will last more than 5 years???? >> >> That wasn't my question, but again, does anybody have a larger >> sized Heidelberg (26" or wider) who can share maintenance >> experience after 30mm impressions? >> >> Rollers certainly have to be replaced/recovered regardless of use. >> Rubber hardens over time and rollers lose their velvety affinity >> for water and oily ink. >> >>> AND, have any improvements been made to this machine in the last >>> 5-6 years? >> >> Undoubtedly, if not obviously. Feed table, pile-raising gear >> assembly and who knows what. >> >>> Must be all the therapy your ALL provide for me free of >>> charge!!!! Just think how stupid it would have been if I went out >>> a bought a new press and all I really needed to do was adjust the >>> blanket packing or adjust a couple screws! HA! >> >> Well, it's better than ranting and sending a customer packing, >> even if he does have a screw loose! >> >> >> Please reply to Simon Sheers at: >> >> >> Sheer Graphics Inc. >> 47 Chestnut Avenue, >> Westmont, IL 60559-1127 >> Tel: (630) 654-4422 >> >> Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > Joe Nutile ColorCraft Printing 805-461-3742 http:www.colorcraftprinting.com Commercial and Digital Printing From swiftyprinting at mac.com Wed Apr 9 16:35:56 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Wed Apr 9 16:36:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF Question In-Reply-To: <007601c89a7a$139aaa50$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> References: <1A2B8C94-24E6-4EE3-A393-1E76FC51FDCC@protypeonline.com> <8CA686FD63AF242-14B0-1238@WEBMAIL-MA01.sysops.aol.com> <9016F20E-A96D-45B9-A439-3FF4978DBB89@eos.net> <007601c89a7a$139aaa50$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: On Apr 9, 2008, at 3:44 PM, John Hughes wrote: > Graphics person is out. > > Customer sent a PDF for business card > 3 x 5 with a 1/2 pt border. > > How can I remove the border. > I have Acrobat 8.0, Quite and Pit Stop. grab the Pointer/Arrow tool from Pitstop, click on the border, delete Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From sciesemier at pagepath.com Wed Apr 9 16:41:01 2008 From: sciesemier at pagepath.com (Steve Ciesemier) Date: Wed Apr 9 16:36:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF Question In-Reply-To: <007601c89a7a$139aaa50$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> References: <1A2B8C94-24E6-4EE3-A393-1E76FC51FDCC@protypeonline.com><8CA686FD63AF242-14B0-1238@WEBMAIL-MA01.sysops.aol.com><9016F20E-A96D-45B9-A439-3FF4978DBB89@eos.net> <007601c89a7a$139aaa50$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: Did you mean it has a 1/2" border you want to crop out? The cropping tool in Acrobat Professional can be used for that. -Steve *********************************************************** Steve Ciesemier PagePath Technologies, Inc. 13 East Main Street Plano, IL 60545-1521 Phone: 630-689-4112 Fax: 630-604-1156 mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com http://www.pagepath.com MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage International & Best of Breed by Xerox MyOrderDesk - Snag-Free print ready files, no matter the size. Eliminate frustration, spend more time winning & keeping customers, improve your profits. *********************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Hughes Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 2:44 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF Question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Graphics person is out. Customer sent a PDF for business card 3 x 5 with a 1/2 pt border. How can I remove the border. I have Acrobat 8.0, Quite and Pit Stop. TIA John Hughes Kwik Kopy Printing kk1127@mindspring.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed Apr 9 16:40:12 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed Apr 9 16:40:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Price quote Message-ID: <8CA68990B65738D-14B0-2621@WEBMAIL-MA01.sysops.aol.com> Anyone out there have a 40" that can price out an order for 100,000?4/4 11" x 17" #60 coated text. tri-fold.? Regular customer of our's.? Normally those 20,000 every two months.? Press we use is only 14" x 20". Thanks Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com From kk1127 at mindspring.com Wed Apr 9 16:57:38 2008 From: kk1127 at mindspring.com (John Hughes) Date: Wed Apr 9 16:57:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF Question References: <1A2B8C94-24E6-4EE3-A393-1E76FC51FDCC@protypeonline.com><8CA686FD63AF242-14B0-1238@WEBMAIL-MA01.sysops.aol.com><9016F20E-A96D-45B9-A439-3FF4978DBB89@eos.net><007601c89a7a$139aaa50$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <002a01c89a84$59a475d0$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Thanks, Chuck. I knew there was some reason we bought PitStop. John Hughes Kwik Kopy Printing kk1127@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] PDF Question > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > On Apr 9, 2008, at 3:44 PM, John Hughes wrote: > >> Graphics person is out. >> >> Customer sent a PDF for business card >> 3 x 5 with a 1/2 pt border. >> >> How can I remove the border. >> I have Acrobat 8.0, Quite and Pit Stop. > > grab the Pointer/Arrow tool from Pitstop, click on the border, delete > > > > > Chuck Pappas > Arlington Swifty Printing > 1386 Massachusetts Avenue > Arlington, MA 02476 > 781-646-8700 > www.arlingtonswifty.com > Member: National Association of Quick Printers > Print Industry of New England > GATF > Adobe Service Network > Quark Alliance > Microsoft Publisher Provider > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com Wed Apr 9 17:14:03 2008 From: jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com (Jim Quinn) Date: Wed Apr 9 17:15:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who has the Canon C7000 installed In-Reply-To: <011201c89a7a$151dc7e0$7d01a8c0@key.local> Message-ID: I can tell you we like the same speed for all stock, color quality, & consistency. If you'd like to talk about the operation you can call our Digital Production Manager, Martin Stover, at the phone # below. I've informed him of this. Jim Quinn Sir Speedy 4043 15323 Midway Road Addison, TX 75001 Phone 972-788-4266 Fax 972-788-2367 jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Peter Church Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 2:44 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] who has the Canon C7000 installed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am investigating it and would like to call and discuss your experience with it. thanks, Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From john at solid-impressions.com Wed Apr 9 17:22:06 2008 From: john at solid-impressions.com (John F. Mantia) Date: Wed Apr 9 17:22:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] who has the Canon C7000 installed In-Reply-To: <011201c89a7a$151dc7e0$7d01a8c0@key.local> References: <011201c89a7a$151dc7e0$7d01a8c0@key.local> Message-ID: <47FD337E.1010907@solid-impressions.com> Hi Peter, We installed the C7000 in back in December. Excellent machine if you have the volume. In my opinion the quality blows away anything else on the market right now. You will not be sorry if you can afford this machine. Just make sure service in your area is good. It's all about the service! We had a few minor start up issues but now things are smooth. We just ran a job last week that had over 30,000, 12 x 18 impressions. It ran perfect. No jams and the color was exactly the same from start to finish and day to day. Feel free to give me a call with any specific questions. John John Mantia Solid Impressions 1010 W Fullerton Ave, Ste D Addison, IL 60101 Phone: 630-543-7300 Fax: 630-543-7313 Cell: 630-302-0183 www.solid-impressions.com Peter Church wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am investigating it and would like to call and discuss your experience > with it. > > thanks, > Peter Church > Keystone Press, LLC > 9 Old Falls Road > Manchester, NH 03103 > phone: 603-622-5222 > fax: 603-622-9432 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3014 (20080409) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > From steveh at metrowestprinting.com Wed Apr 9 22:38:00 2008 From: steveh at metrowestprinting.com (Steve Hitner) Date: Wed Apr 9 21:38:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I have not been receiving any e-mails Message-ID: <001201c89ab3$e4b91f20$cefea8c0@Steveh> Can who ever is in charge turn me back on. Best Regards, Steve Hitner METROWEST Printing 160 Main Street Marlborough, MA 01752 (W)508-481-6699 (C) 508-335-0069 steveh@metrowestprinting.com From soneal at conestogadpi.com Wed Apr 9 22:37:12 2008 From: soneal at conestogadpi.com (Shawn O'Neal) Date: Wed Apr 9 22:37:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Large menu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <013401c89ab3$c8427080$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> Mark, Try Xeikon prints out of Nashville. They can run larger digital prints on that press. http://www.xeikonprints.com/index.php? Shawn O'Neal Conestoga dpi 246 N Lincoln Ave Lebanon Pa 17046 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lake Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:08 PM To: PrintOwners Subject: [PrintOwners] Large menu ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a customer looking for color menus that are 15.5x17. Is there any laser device that can handle this? Quantity is only 80. My large format printer (HP5500ps) can run it but it is 2 sided and I can't run side 2 since it won't handle cut sheets. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From joe at trinitypress.com Thu Apr 10 08:23:03 2008 From: joe at trinitypress.com (Joe Dye) Date: Thu Apr 10 08:23:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Konica Minolta C500 Message-ID: <001d01c89b05$9fe36200$dfaa2600$@com> I have a 2 year old Konica Minolta C500 fully maintained by KM. It is the best value for color digital printing I believe. KM just offered me a new C650 and bought me out of the C500. Does anybody have advice where I can go to sell my C500? I currently have it on ebay, but the action looks limited. Joe Dye Trinity Press 3190 Reps Miller Road Suite 360 Norcross, GA 30071 678-462-8864 From eric at digi-print.com Thu Apr 10 08:37:38 2008 From: eric at digi-print.com (Eric Weber) Date: Thu Apr 10 08:52:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I have not been receiving any e-mails In-Reply-To: <001201c89ab3$e4b91f20$cefea8c0@Steveh> References: <001201c89ab3$e4b91f20$cefea8c0@Steveh> Message-ID: At 9:38 PM -0500 4/9/08, Steve Hitner wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Can who ever is in charge turn me back on. > > >Best Regards, > >Steve Hitner I belive we will leave that up to Mrs. Hitner. -- *********************************************************************** Eric Weber Sales / General Manager / Vice President PrintDigital Inc. 4688 Darrow Rd., Stow, OH 44224 330-686-5945 Fax 330-686-5329 www.digi-print.com eric@digi-print.com ***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and delete this copy from your system. Thank you for your co-operation. *********************************************************************** From tammie at macombprinter.com Thu Apr 10 08:01:26 2008 From: tammie at macombprinter.com (Tammie at Quick Print & Signs) Date: Thu Apr 10 09:01:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Time problem on Mac In-Reply-To: <9016F20E-A96D-45B9-A439-3FF4978DBB89@eos.net> Message-ID: Ever since the new Day Light Savings Time last month, our email times have been weird. I received an email from another computer in the shop. She sent it at 9:20 and the time on the email was 10:20. Her computer clock is correct. I sent one to her at 9:12 and when she got it, the time on the email was 8:12. My computer clock is correct. I thought it had something to do with our internet provider, but when I called them, they had never heard of such a problem. We have PrintSmith, and I know that it gets pretty fussy if the computer clocks aren't the same. We haven't had any problems there. When we save documents, it is giving us the correct time. Any ideas? I am posting this at 8:00 a.m. What does your computer say? Tammie Tammie Speer, owner **************** Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ______________________________ QUICK PRINT & SIGNS 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com/ A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ Or call for a FREE CD full of information. ______________________________ From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Thu Apr 10 09:02:17 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Thu Apr 10 09:02:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I need a drill In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I need a table top (must be table top, we have a space situation here) drill. The one I have is a million years old (approximately) and being held together with tape and rubber bands, and frankly is just a nightmare. I also happen to know nothing about drills. Does anyone have any advice? I'd love a 3 hole, but its not a deal breaker. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Thu Apr 10 09:03:03 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Thu Apr 10 09:03:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xante Plate and Film Stuff Message-ID: <76377E47-B6B1-4C58-B52E-434A3869C081@inkonpaper.biz> While cleaning, I found some old ( at least Three years) Xante Polyester Film and Plate material I don't want to mess with packaging it for shipping But, if anyone near northern Detroit suburbs wants to pick it up, let me know before end of today Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Thu Apr 10 09:11:23 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt) Date: Thu Apr 10 09:11:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Time problem on Mac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4/10/08 7:01 AM, "Tammie at Quick Print & Signs" wrote: > Any ideas? I am posting this at 8:00 a.m. What does your computer say? Tammie, It showed up on my computer at 8:06. I would say you have clock battery issues, but when that happens the computer will start up with some strange years ago date. I'm not even sure the newer Macs have that problem anymore. Are all your Macs/PCs set to get their time from the internet clock? I'm sure one of the true computer gurus will have the correct answer. Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Apr 10 09:18:39 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Apr 10 09:20:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Konica Minolta C500 In-Reply-To: <001d01c89b05$9fe36200$dfaa2600$@com> References: <001d01c89b05$9fe36200$dfaa2600$@com> Message-ID: <200804101320.m3ADKCu7033278@i2bnetworks.com> I kept mine as a backup (even the 6500 occasionally goes down). Unless you really need the money, for me, the value of having the extra machine is more than what I could sell it for in the marketplace. It also helps us balance peak load demands when the 6500 is tied up with larger jobs.... Just something to think about. But if you have to sell it, maybe an equipment broker or criagslist as well as continue your listing on ebay. S. At 05:23 AM 4/10/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I have a 2 year old Konica Minolta C500 fully maintained by KM. It is the >best value for color digital printing I believe. KM just offered me a new >C650 and bought me out of the C500. Does anybody have advice where I can go >to sell my C500? I currently have it on ebay, but the action looks limited. > > > >Joe Dye > >Trinity Press > >3190 Reps Miller Road > >Suite 360 > >Norcross, GA 30071 > >678-462-8864 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3015 (20080410) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Thu Apr 10 09:32:37 2008 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Thu Apr 10 09:32:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Large menu In-Reply-To: <013401c89ab3$c8427080$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> References: <013401c89ab3$c8427080$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> Message-ID: We used them for a menu project and they were great However, the lamination company couldn't get a laminate to stick properly Be careful On Apr 9, 2008, at 10:37 PM, Shawn O'Neal wrote: > Try Xeikon prints out of Nashville. They can run larger digital > prints on > that press. Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz From markath1 at verizon.net Thu Apr 10 09:36:41 2008 From: markath1 at verizon.net (Rick Martin) Date: Thu Apr 10 09:37:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Time problem on Mac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c89b0f$e995c320$640a0a0a@advanced8l9v8x> We had the same issue Monday. If the macs are over a few years old, they have the old format for daylight savings time in them. We had to reset our machines manually last month and reset them again Last Monday!! I think there is a patch on the apple site somewhere, but we are replacing our 7 year old Imacs and we just decided not to go looking for it. Rick Martin Advanced Print & Copy 229 Memorial Avenue W Springfield, MA 01089 413-736-9808 markath1@verizon.net www.advancedprintandcopy.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tammie at Quick Print & Signs Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 8:01 AM To: Printowners List Subject: [PrintOwners] Time problem on Mac ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Ever since the new Day Light Savings Time last month, our email times have been weird. I received an email from another computer in the shop. She sent it at 9:20 and the time on the email was 10:20. Her computer clock is correct. I sent one to her at 9:12 and when she got it, the time on the email was 8:12. My computer clock is correct. I thought it had something to do with our internet provider, but when I called them, they had never heard of such a problem. We have PrintSmith, and I know that it gets pretty fussy if the computer clocks aren't the same. We haven't had any problems there. When we save documents, it is giving us the correct time. Any ideas? I am posting this at 8:00 a.m. What does your computer say? Tammie Tammie Speer, owner **************** Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ______________________________ QUICK PRINT & SIGNS 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com/ A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ Or call for a FREE CD full of information. ______________________________ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jdaghir at gmail.com Thu Apr 10 09:44:33 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Thu Apr 10 09:44:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Was: QM46-2 ????? Now: H press longevity? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83d5b9620804100644s3a673bd2xf02facf5df14e02b@mail.gmail.com> Both the Ryobi 3302 & the Hamada H234 are comparable in size & features to the QM46-2. They are both true 2 colors rather than a common blanket design like the QM46-2, so they both have a larger footprint. It's not a huge difference but walking back and forth from the feed to the delivery all day long does add up and you are very tight on space. As far as I know the Ryobi is not available with an auto plate loader, but the Hamada H234A does have auto plate loaders. I don't have any experience with the autoloaders so I have no idea how well or how poorly they work. Both the Ryobi and the Hamada can be fitted with your choice of dampening systems - Crestlines, Kompacs or motorized dampening. Both include running register, auto blanket washers and push button controls similar to the QM46-2. The max print length on both is slightly smaller - 17.25". It's only a problem if you're trying to run 8.5x11 full bleed 2 up with color bars. It's a real tight squeeze and your color bars have to be very skinny. Other than that I think they would both be close if not equal to a QM46-2 in terms of productivity & print quality. I believe those are your only mainstream choices for a 2 color duplicator - Heidelberg, Ryobi or Hamada. I guess you could include an AB Dick with a T-head but I don't consider it to be in the same class as the other three for features, productivity or print quality. There are some third-world knock-offs but I would steer clear of them. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Jace, > you left off one thing -- what press are you recommending as a suitable > replacement to the QM46-2? How will the press you recommend compare is ease > of set-up for short runs? > Other comparisons re: automation? > > robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From swiftyprinting at mac.com Thu Apr 10 09:52:41 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Thu Apr 10 09:53:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Time problem on Mac In-Reply-To: <000501c89b0f$e995c320$640a0a0a@advanced8l9v8x> References: <000501c89b0f$e995c320$640a0a0a@advanced8l9v8x> Message-ID: On Apr 10, 2008, at 9:36 AM, Rick Martin wrote: > > We had the same issue Monday. If the macs are over a few years old, > they > have the old format for daylight savings time in them. We had to > reset our > machines manually last month and reset them again Last Monday!! Under the Date and Time preferences, check off set time automatically. This will then have the computer check the International Date and time clock over the internet and your time will always be right. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From swiftyprinting at mac.com Thu Apr 10 10:07:28 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Thu Apr 10 10:07:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Time problem on Mac In-Reply-To: References: <000501c89b0f$e995c320$640a0a0a@advanced8l9v8x> Message-ID: <908671FE-5EFD-4A08-ACAA-F1F10BF30D16@mac.com> P.S. don't forget to install the Daylight patch update also. On Apr 10, 2008, at 9:52 AM, Chuck wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > On Apr 10, 2008, at 9:36 AM, Rick Martin wrote: > >> >> We had the same issue Monday. If the macs are over a few years >> old, they >> have the old format for daylight savings time in them. We had to >> reset our >> machines manually last month and reset them again Last Monday!! > > Under the Date and Time preferences, check off set time > automatically. This will then have the computer check the > International Date and time clock over the internet and your time > will always be right. > > > > > Chuck Pappas > Arlington Swifty Printing > 1386 Massachusetts Avenue > Arlington, MA 02476 > 781-646-8700 > www.arlingtonswifty.com > Member: National Association of Quick Printers > Print Industry of New England > GATF > Adobe Service Network > Quark Alliance > Microsoft Publisher Provider > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu Apr 10 10:20:04 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu Apr 10 10:19:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Time problem on Mac In-Reply-To: <20080410134445.4236BEC8BF8@rb.enter.net> References: <20080410134445.4236BEC8BF8@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <1b362a0ae2a9dd811c08cc59764d0901@sheergraphics.com> Your post shown below is displaying "Date: April 10, 2008 7:01:26 AM CDT". This Mac workstation's time in the main menu bar is correct at "Thu 9:20 AM" Central Daylight Savings Time. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more On Apr 10, 2008, at 8:44 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > From: Tammie at Quick Print & Signs > Date: April 10, 2008 7:01:26 AM CDT > To: Printowners List > Subject: [PrintOwners] Time problem on Mac > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > > > Ever since the new Day Light Savings Time last month, our email times > have > been weird. I received an email from another computer in the shop. She > sent > it at 9:20 and the time on the email was 10:20. Her computer clock is > correct. I sent one to her at 9:12 and when she got it, the time on the > email was 8:12. My computer clock is correct. > > I thought it had something to do with our internet provider, but when I > called them, they had never heard of such a problem. > > We have PrintSmith, and I know that it gets pretty fussy if the > computer > clocks aren't the same. We haven't had any problems there. When we save > documents, it is giving us the correct time. > > Any ideas? I am posting this at 8:00 a.m. What does your computer say? > > Tammie From tammie at macombprinter.com Thu Apr 10 10:20:23 2008 From: tammie at macombprinter.com (Tammie at Quick Print & Signs) Date: Thu Apr 10 10:20:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Time problem on Mac -SOLVED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for your help. I had already gone in and changed the time manually a few weeks ago, but the REAL problem was that I had gotten a new hard drive in my 3 year old Powerbook the same time as the Daylight Savings time went into effect. The new hard drive was set on Eastern time by the computer tech and I am Central time. I just thought it was a DST problem and would fix after the first Sunday in April. Thanks for making me look deeper! Tammie Tammie Speer ---------------------------------- Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ QUICK PRINT & SIGNS __________________________________ 1120 East Jackson Street Macomb, IL 61455 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Chuck stated on 4/10/08 9:52 AM from swiftyprinting@mac.com > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > On Apr 10, 2008, at 9:36 AM, Rick Martin wrote: > >> >> We had the same issue Monday. If the macs are over a few years old, >> they >> have the old format for daylight savings time in them. We had to >> reset our >> machines manually last month and reset them again Last Monday!! > > Under the Date and Time preferences, check off set time automatically. > This will then have the computer check the International Date and time > clock over the internet and your time will always be right. > > > > > Chuck Pappas > Arlington Swifty Printing > 1386 Massachusetts Avenue > Arlington, MA 02476 > 781-646-8700 > www.arlingtonswifty.com > Member: National Association of Quick Printers > Print Industry of New England > GATF > Adobe Service Network > Quark Alliance > Microsoft Publisher Provider > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jdaghir at gmail.com Thu Apr 10 13:01:32 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Thu Apr 10 13:01:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I need a drill In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83d5b9620804101001v47b345bdv5217c74ab518a211@mail.gmail.com> Lasco Wizer makes table-top drills: www.lasscowizer.com As does Challenge: www.challengemachinery.com I don't know of any table-top three hole drills but that doesn't mean one doesn't exist. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Borzou said: > I need a table top (must be table top, we have a space situation here) > drill. The one I have is a million years old (approximately) and being held > together with tape and rubber bands, and frankly is just a nightmare. I > also happen to know nothing about drills. Does anyone have any advice? I'd > love a 3 hole, but its not a deal breaker. From slb at inkspot.net Thu Apr 10 13:05:37 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Apr 10 13:06:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I need a drill In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <47FE10A1.7660.1C24C82C@slb.inkspot.net> We have a Lassco Spinnit that's surplus, but, if you have to do a fair amount of drilling, I'd suggest a second-hand (or new) Challenge. We acquired one about 10 years ago as part of absorbing the remains of another printer, and it was a big step up from the Lassco. Steve > > I need a table top (must be table top, we have a space situation here) > drill. The one I have is a million years old (approximately) and being held > together with tape and rubber bands, and frankly is just a nightmare. I > also happen to know nothing about drills. Does anyone have any advice? I'd > love a 3 hole, but its not a deal breaker. > > Borzou Azabdaftari > Falcon Print and Copy > 1921 Gallows Road > Suite 150 > Vienna, VA 22182 > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3016 (20080410) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From sos at olympus.net Thu Apr 10 14:46:05 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Apr 10 14:46:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Polar Cutters References: <83d5b9620804101001v47b345bdv5217c74ab518a211@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00c001c89b3b$21fd4000$6900a8c0@DANIEL> More on cutters. I've been happy with our Challenge 305 MP but it isn't working today. The repair guy will get here when he gets here, next week sometime. He says he wouldn't recommend buying a newer Challenge, Ours is a 1990. He recommended a Prism by Colter and Peterson. Which is built along the lines of a Polar, with mechanical blade, etc. When last I spoke to a Heidelberg sales rep, I was asking about a Polar cutter and asked how much trade-in they'd give on the Challenge. He said they wouldn't take it at all. Period. End of discussion. Sell it yourself and let us know when you're ready to buy, basically. I explained that I lived in a very rural location making it difficult to sell equipment because no one can stop by and look at it. He didn't care. So an additional benefit of buying a used Polar is that you can eventually trade it in for a new one. Any other brand and it's NO. Nope. No way. Back to the Challenge, it started moving herky jerky at slow speed, it would often miss the mark, back up try again, miss again, error out. And got progressively worse, today it just won't move at all. Anyone else ever have that problem. Know what it is? Repair guy thought it needed a new motor. Seems more computer chips that control the motor to me, but I wouldn't really know. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From acepm2 at gmail.com Thu Apr 10 14:51:51 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Thu Apr 10 14:52:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Time problem on Mac -SOLVED In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Whew! I'm glad you got that figured out too because I was just about to post how I had received your email an hour late!! Yes, I'm on Eastern time... but still, it was over an hour late! :) :) :) Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Tammie at Quick Print & Signs < tammie@macombprinter.com> wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thanks for your help. I had already gone in and changed the time manually > a > few weeks ago, but the REAL problem was that I had gotten a new hard drive > in my 3 year old Powerbook the same time as the Daylight Savings time went > into effect. > > The new hard drive was set on Eastern time by the computer tech and I am > Central time. I just thought it was a DST problem and would fix after the > first Sunday in April. > > Thanks for making me look deeper! > Tammie > > > Tammie Speer > ---------------------------------- > Tammie@MacombPrinter.com > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > QUICK PRINT & SIGNS > __________________________________ > 1120 East Jackson Street > Macomb, IL 61455 > 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 > http://www.macombprinter.com > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > Chuck stated on 4/10/08 9:52 AM from swiftyprinting@mac.com > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > On Apr 10, 2008, at 9:36 AM, Rick Martin wrote: > > > >> > >> We had the same issue Monday. If the macs are over a few years old, > >> they > >> have the old format for daylight savings time in them. We had to > >> reset our > >> machines manually last month and reset them again Last Monday!! > > > > Under the Date and Time preferences, check off set time automatically. > > This will then have the computer check the International Date and time > > clock over the internet and your time will always be right. > > > > > > > > > > Chuck Pappas > > Arlington Swifty Printing > > 1386 Massachusetts Avenue > > Arlington, MA 02476 > > 781-646-8700 > > www.arlingtonswifty.com > > Member: National Association of Quick Printers > > Print Industry of New England > > GATF > > Adobe Service Network > > Quark Alliance > > Microsoft Publisher Provider > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From Susan at cdandp.net Thu Apr 10 14:52:01 2008 From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton) Date: Thu Apr 10 14:52:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Polar Cutters References: <83d5b9620804101001v47b345bdv5217c74ab518a211@mail.gmail.com> <00c001c89b3b$21fd4000$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <023601c89b3b$f68f6eb0$8302a8c0@Robbin> Dear Dan, Our Challenge 305 is doing the exact same thing. Our repair person hasn't been able to figure it out either. So I will be greatly interested to see if you find a resolution. If you do, please let me know. I also have a Polly cutter here that hasn't worked since last October (I inherited the piece of garbage when I purchased this shop). I think Polly made them for one year, then promptly went out of business. I think it is some kind of switch (I'd have to check with my press operator), but no repair people have any idea. One company was kind enough to send us out three switches, but none of them worked. Polar next time!!! Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, VA 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Huntingford" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Polar Cutters > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > More on cutters. > I've been happy with our Challenge 305 MP but it isn't working today. > The repair guy will get here when he gets here, next week sometime. > He says he wouldn't recommend buying a newer Challenge, Ours is a 1990. > He recommended a Prism by Colter and Peterson. Which is built along the > lines of a Polar, with mechanical blade, etc. > > When last I spoke to a Heidelberg sales rep, I was asking about a Polar > cutter and asked how much trade-in they'd give on the Challenge. He said > they wouldn't take it at all. Period. End of discussion. > Sell it yourself and let us know when you're ready to buy, basically. > I explained that I lived in a very rural location making it difficult to > sell equipment because no one can stop by and look at it. He didn't care. > > So an additional benefit of buying a used Polar is that you can eventually > trade it in for a new one. Any other brand and it's NO. Nope. No way. > > Back to the Challenge, it started moving herky jerky at slow speed, it > would often miss the mark, back up try again, miss again, error out. And > got progressively worse, today it just won't move at all. > > Anyone else ever have that problem. Know what it is? > > Repair guy thought it needed a new motor. > Seems more computer chips that control the motor to me, but I wouldn't > really know. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 3016 (20080410) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From brian at designotype.com Thu Apr 10 15:42:20 2008 From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen) Date: Thu Apr 10 15:43:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Polar Cutters References: <83d5b9620804101001v47b345bdv5217c74ab518a211@mail.gmail.com> <00c001c89b3b$21fd4000$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <00eb01c89b42$ff991b30$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Dan: WE have a challenge 26.5, I think the same as your 305. We have had similar problems. Check all of the position switches first. (for continuity) If they check out good, try tapping on the relays as it's running and see if it behaves better or worse as you tap on them. If so, replace the suspected relay. It could also be a bad solder joint in the power supply OR the relay board. Bad solder joints can usually be seen with the naked eye if you know what to look for... i.e. a bad joint! Look for a cracked and/or scorched joint. If you find one, just re-heat it with a soldering iron. Good luck, Brian Helminen, Solutions Consultant Designotype Printers, Inc. 22950 Airpark Blvd. Calumet, MI 49913 906-482-2424 Fax 906-482-2266 www.designotype.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Huntingford" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Polar Cutters > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > More on cutters. > I've been happy with our Challenge 305 MP but it isn't working today. > The repair guy will get here when he gets here, next week sometime. > He says he wouldn't recommend buying a newer Challenge, Ours is a 1990. > He recommended a Prism by Colter and Peterson. Which is built along the > lines of a Polar, with mechanical blade, etc. > > When last I spoke to a Heidelberg sales rep, I was asking about a Polar > cutter and asked how much trade-in they'd give on the Challenge. He said > they wouldn't take it at all. Period. End of discussion. > Sell it yourself and let us know when you're ready to buy, basically. > I explained that I lived in a very rural location making it difficult to > sell equipment because no one can stop by and look at it. He didn't care. > > So an additional benefit of buying a used Polar is that you can eventually > trade it in for a new one. Any other brand and it's NO. Nope. No way. > > Back to the Challenge, it started moving herky jerky at slow speed, it > would often miss the mark, back up try again, miss again, error out. And > got progressively worse, today it just won't move at all. > > Anyone else ever have that problem. Know what it is? > > Repair guy thought it needed a new motor. > Seems more computer chips that control the motor to me, but I wouldn't > really know. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message.\r\nhttp://www.avg-antivirus.net/ > Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.11/1371 - > Release Date: 4/10/2008 12:23 PM > > From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Thu Apr 10 16:01:30 2008 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Thu Apr 10 16:02:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Burning CD Estimate Message-ID: <000a01c89b45$ac7ad940$042967d3@kp4> I have a regular customer that would like a small quantity of CD's burned. They have a catalog and the file that needs to be burned are their PDF's. Quantities are 50,75, & 100. We would do the laser labels here. They do not need the CD title screened on it. All copy is the same for the quantities. I do not wish to buy a burner as this is not something I would not do for everyone. This is one of my best customers so I would like to help. Can someone help? Thanks so much.......Linda Linda Baribeau Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. 2041 West Mill Road Glendale, WI 53209 Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Thu Apr 10 16:54:26 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Thu Apr 10 16:54:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I need a drill In-Reply-To: <47FE10A1.7660.1C24C82C@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: Thanks all. Regards, Borzou www.falconprintandcopy.com t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 > From: Steve Blatman > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:05:37 -0400 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] I need a drill > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have a Lassco Spinnit that's surplus, but, if you have to do a > fair amount of drilling, I'd suggest a second-hand (or new) > Challenge. We acquired one about 10 years ago as part of absorbing > the remains of another printer, and it was a big step up from the > Lassco. > > Steve > > >> >> I need a table top (must be table top, we have a space situation here) >> drill. The one I have is a million years old (approximately) and being held >> together with tape and rubber bands, and frankly is just a nightmare. I >> also happen to know nothing about drills. Does anyone have any advice? I'd >> love a 3 hole, but its not a deal breaker. >> >> Borzou Azabdaftari >> Falcon Print and Copy >> 1921 Gallows Road >> Suite 150 >> Vienna, VA 22182 >> t.703.442.0124 >> f.703.442.0134 >> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3016 (20080410) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From awbunny at earthlink.net Thu Apr 10 18:31:05 2008 From: awbunny at earthlink.net (Amy Watson) Date: Thu Apr 10 18:31:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Polar Cutters In-Reply-To: <00eb01c89b42$ff991b30$6a01a8c0@brianspc> References: <83d5b9620804101001v47b345bdv5217c74ab518a211@mail.gmail.com> <00c001c89b3b$21fd4000$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <00eb01c89b42$ff991b30$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Message-ID: Dan: If the motor is spinning but no movement check the coupler between the motor and pump. One of our repair guys told us they are made of rubber on our 305 and fail sometimes. Also check your oil tank. If there is air in the oil you may need help. There is a tube that returns the oil from the ram on the 305. When this cracks it forces air into the oil - bad or eratic movement. Is the motor hot? We had bad motor that heated up like crazy. Replaced the motor (got one from Grainger) and no more problems. Our repair person gave us a heads up about Challenge. They discontinued support for the old cutters, meaning they threw away the parts books and won't use the old numbers. We just got parts but had to use our techs memory and a new parts number. Most manufactures are doing this to force customers to buy new. Duplo, Challenge, Horizon and Bourg. He has a some old cutters that he scavenges and a machine shop on site that he can create what he needs. His company is Godar Machinery. It's on the web and the number is 925 687 6161. His name is John and I think he is great. He also recommended Saber cutters. Said they are a good value (heavy parts made in Korea, which I hate...) but the electronics are from Microcut so they are good and tested. Richard Northam 1984 PRINTING 674 23rd Street Oakland, CA 94612 510.551.7209 richard@1984printing.com www.1984printing.com On Apr 10, 2008, at 12:42 PM, Brian Helminen wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dan: > > WE have a challenge 26.5, I think the same as your 305. We have had > similar problems. Check all of the position switches first. (for > continuity) If they check out good, try tapping on the relays as > it's running and see if it behaves better or worse as you tap on > them. If so, replace the suspected relay. It could also be a bad > solder joint in the power supply OR the relay board. Bad solder > joints can usually be seen with the naked eye if you know what to > look for... i.e. a bad joint! Look for a cracked and/or scorched > joint. If you find one, just re-heat it with a soldering iron. > Good luck, > > Brian Helminen, Solutions Consultant > Designotype Printers, Inc. > 22950 Airpark Blvd. > Calumet, MI 49913 > 906-482-2424 > Fax 906-482-2266 > www.designotype.com > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Huntingford" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 2:46 PM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Polar Cutters > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> More on cutters. >> I've been happy with our Challenge 305 MP but it isn't working >> today. The repair guy will get here when he gets here, next week >> sometime. >> He says he wouldn't recommend buying a newer Challenge, Ours is a >> 1990. He recommended a Prism by Colter and Peterson. Which is >> built along the lines of a Polar, with mechanical blade, etc. >> >> When last I spoke to a Heidelberg sales rep, I was asking about a >> Polar cutter and asked how much trade-in they'd give on the >> Challenge. He said they wouldn't take it at all. Period. End of >> discussion. >> Sell it yourself and let us know when you're ready to buy, basically. >> I explained that I lived in a very rural location making it >> difficult to sell equipment because no one can stop by and look at >> it. He didn't care. >> >> So an additional benefit of buying a used Polar is that you can >> eventually trade it in for a new one. Any other brand and it's NO. >> Nope. No way. >> >> Back to the Challenge, it started moving herky jerky at slow speed, >> it would often miss the mark, back up try again, miss again, error >> out. And got progressively worse, today it just won't move at all. >> >> Anyone else ever have that problem. Know what it is? >> >> Repair guy thought it needed a new motor. >> Seems more computer chips that control the motor to me, but I >> wouldn't really know. >> >> Dan Huntingford >> SOS Printing >> 2319 Washington Street >> Port Townsend, WA 98368 >> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >> sos@olympus.net >> (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message.\r\nhttp://www.avg-antivirus.net/ >> Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.11/1371 - >> Release Date: 4/10/2008 12:23 PM >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From ep101 at technaprint.com Thu Apr 10 19:04:55 2008 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Thu Apr 10 19:05:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Time problem on Mac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Ever since the new Day Light Savings Time last month, our email times have > been weird. Tammie, See: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=305056 This issue was wigging out PrintSmith too...not allowing workstations to sync with the Master unless their times were all within about 1 minute of each other...a much tighter tolerance than normal. PS advised this patch was need to solve the problem... Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Apr 10 19:08:10 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Apr 10 19:10:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] I need a drill In-Reply-To: References: <47FE10A1.7660.1C24C82C@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <200804102309.m3AN9gFa070378@i2bnetworks.com> I have a single head Challenge drill that's been sitting around for about 10 years. I could go see if I still have it up in the mezzanine. If you're interested? S. At 01:54 PM 4/10/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Thanks all. > >Regards, > >Borzou > > >www.falconprintandcopy.com >t.703.442.0124 >f.703.442.0134 > > > > > > > > > From: Steve Blatman > > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > > > Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:05:37 -0400 > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] I need a drill > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > We have a Lassco Spinnit that's surplus, but, if you have to do a > > fair amount of drilling, I'd suggest a second-hand (or new) > > Challenge. We acquired one about 10 years ago as part of absorbing > > the remains of another printer, and it was a big step up from the > > Lassco. > > > > Steve > > > > > >> > >> I need a table top (must be table top, we have a space situation here) > >> drill. The one I have is a million years old (approximately) > and being held > >> together with tape and rubber bands, and frankly is just a nightmare. I > >> also happen to know nothing about drills. Does anyone have any > advice? I'd > >> love a 3 hole, but its not a deal breaker. > >> > >> Borzou Azabdaftari > >> Falcon Print and Copy > >> 1921 Gallows Road > >> Suite 150 > >> Vienna, VA 22182 > >> t.703.442.0124 > >> f.703.442.0134 > >> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> PrintOwners Discussion List > >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >> > >> > >> > >> __________ NOD32 3016 (20080410) Information __________ > >> > >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >> http://www.eset.com > >> > >> > > > > Steve Blatman > > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > > Tel: 610-647-0776 > > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3017 (20080410) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From dominick at fmtc.com Thu Apr 10 19:49:08 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Thu Apr 10 19:50:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Black and White Copier Message-ID: <47FEA774.9090901@fmtc.com> Spent all my free time researching Color copiers the last 6 months, Now with interest rates so low, considering upgrading our 75 per minute black copiers. (2) I am going to resubscribe to Larry Hunt, but could use your input on what is good/great out there now. What are new machines are you using, your pros and cons. Give me some ideas of where to start. Our local Ricoh dealer who has the most excellent service, recently switched to a Xerox dealer. I have never looked at those, so any thoughts? Thanks Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! From sos at olympus.net Thu Apr 10 20:07:28 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Apr 10 20:07:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Black and White Copier References: <47FEA774.9090901@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <01ed01c89b68$07c47a00$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dominick's Printing" > What are new machines are you using, your pros and cons. Give me some > ideas of where to start. Our local Ricoh dealer who has the most excellent > service, recently switched to a Xerox dealer. I have never looked at > those, so any thoughts? ========================== We've sure been happy with our Xerox 4110. We've put 3.3 million on it so far and almost no problems. It just cranks and cranks. It replaced two Xerox 270s. I was nervous only having one copier, but it has been super reliable so far. We have two color Xerox 240s so either can be used as a black for back up. At twice the click rate. What's it cost? I don't remember, but Larry Hunts has a quote almost every month, last month $38,000 with booklet maker and high cap tray. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From DanF at MMSNY.com Thu Apr 10 20:32:46 2008 From: DanF at MMSNY.com (Dan Flatt) Date: Thu Apr 10 20:24:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Black and White Copier Message-ID: Joe, We have 3 Konica Minolta 1050 systems and 99% of the time love them. The price is aggressive, service clicks really low and the paper feed trays are awesome. We have around 4.5 million on each one and have had them for a little under 3 years. The booklet maker is awesome as well as the stacker tray unit. The inserter folder also works as a great paper folder for short run laser jobs. I would strongly recommend it. Dan Flatt owner Multi Media Services 11136-40 River Road Corning, NY 14830 main 607-936-3186 CELL 607-331-7217 PLEASE CALL MY CELL FIRST! Fax 877-684-3043 www.mmsny.com Isn't it time that you had a business printer printing for your business? Other contacts: Rick Bartholomew president -Manufacturing 607-769-8111 Belinda Wilcox vp-Finance & CSR's 607-936-3186 Rose Flatt VP - Creative 607-331-1555 Dick Shelford Sunset Operations 607-331-5775 Patty Carlson Strategic accounts 607-331-5314 Jenna Nailer IR operations liaison 607-331-5314 Dave Satterly IR operations 570-882-0485 Ralph Begeal CSR 607-331-5572 Steve Mullen CSR / paper 607-936-3186 Margaret Puffer Major accounts / mailing 607-936-318 Emily Colletta creative 607-331-7068 Judy Pruyne creative 607-331-5963 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dominick's Printing Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 7:49 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] New Black and White Copier ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Spent all my free time researching Color copiers the last 6 months, Now with interest rates so low, considering upgrading our 75 per minute black copiers. (2) I am going to resubscribe to Larry Hunt, but could use your input on what is good/great out there now. What are new machines are you using, your pros and cons. Give me some ideas of where to start. Our local Ricoh dealer who has the most excellent service, recently switched to a Xerox dealer. I have never looked at those, so any thoughts? Thanks Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From championprinting at yahoo.com Thu Apr 10 21:05:42 2008 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Thu Apr 10 21:05:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Konica Minolta C500 Message-ID: <90172.181.qm@web38907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm interested in hearing the specifics of your buyout. Specifically how it was equipped, what you got for it and why it only was good for two years of service. Thanks. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Joe Dye To: PrintOwners@printweb.org Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 8:23:03 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Konica Minolta C500 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a 2 year old Konica Minolta C500 fully maintained by KM. It is the best value for color digital printing I believe. KM just offered me a new C650 and bought me out of the C500. Does anybody have advice where I can go to sell my C500? I currently have it on ebay, but the action looks limited. Joe Dye Trinity Press 3190 Reps Miller Road Suite 360 Norcross, GA 30071 678-462-8864 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From brian at designotype.com Thu Apr 10 22:56:23 2008 From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen) Date: Thu Apr 10 21:55:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Black and White Copier References: <47FEA774.9090901@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <014701c89b7f$a0dcb5b0$0300a8c0@Brian> As you know by now, copiers are all about service. If you can not get decent service, even the best copiers are useless and a mediocre copier can do well with good service. We have had Xerox because of this. It's the only one available here with decent service. Oh, and one of the competition that we considered last time would not budge on single click 11 x 17 so we did not even consider them seriously. Brian Helminen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dominick's Printing" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 6:49 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] New Black and White Copier > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Spent all my free time researching Color copiers the last 6 months, Now > with interest rates so low, considering upgrading our 75 per minute black > copiers. (2) > > I am going to resubscribe to Larry Hunt, but could use your input on what > is good/great out there now. > > What are new machines are you using, your pros and cons. Give me some > ideas of where to start. Our local Ricoh dealer who has the most excellent > service, recently switched to a Xerox dealer. I have never looked at > those, so any thoughts? From k_graham at hotmail.com Fri Apr 11 02:53:45 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Fri Apr 11 02:54:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Black and White Copier References: <47FEA774.9090901@fmtc.com> <014701c89b7f$a0dcb5b0$0300a8c0@Brian> Message-ID: >> What are new machines are you using, your pros and cons. Give me some >> ideas of where to start. Our local Ricoh dealer who has the most >> excellent service, recently switched to a Xerox dealer. I have never >> looked at those, so any thoughts? Not new machines - 60, 72, 105 copies minute Canons Given the attempt Ikon made in court to say we could not use laser rated linen in the CPP500, (and for which the Judge has still not provided a verdict). I first would do as someone on the list here mentioned and provide all sorts of samples to be printed and signed off on including papers, transparencies and cover stocks and preperforated stocks. I'd in particular be providing samples of NCR and confirming they will provide a contract using them. In the interim we've found the 60 copy minute IR6000 has troubles wrinkling 11x17 somewhere in the transport mechanism if running a lot of 11x17, starting at about 1,000,000 copies. Our serviceman has swapped out the mechanism with a good one and is attempting to isolate the problem but as we are currently paying by the repair instead of clicks we've decided to run 8.5x11 whenever possible and only go larger sizes on an as needed basis. The 7200 seems perhaps the best for NCR, though its in out other store so I may be missing something. It would be interesting to see if a 8500 Canon would also stand up to lots of NCR daily without excessive tire troubles. The IR105 is okay for high speed bond jobs but the tires wear out in a few 1000 copies on NCR. Our current supplier is an independent Canon and Konica Minolta dealer and is charging us by the repair - as it turns out this is working out better than click charge. At the moment low mileage mid speed repo's at a few thousand dollars seem to be the better deal. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com From bherion at bucksdigital.com Fri Apr 11 06:48:43 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Fri Apr 11 06:48:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Burning CD Estimate In-Reply-To: <20080410231012.0BC91EC9FA5@rb.enter.net> References: <20080410231012.0BC91EC9FA5@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080411064545.032e0898@bucksdigital.com> Linda, Here is a source that is perfect for your need: http://www.discmakers.com/selfservicequoter/ Hope that helps. Bob At 07:10 PM 4/10/2008, you wrote: >I have a regular customer that would like a small quantity of CD's >burned. They have a catalog and the file that needs to be burned are >their PDF's. Quantities are 50,75, & 100. We would do the laser >labels here. They do not need the CD title screened on it. All copy >is the same for the quantities. I do not wish to buy a burner as >this is not something I would not do for everyone. This is one of my >best customers so I would like to help. > >Can someone help? > >Thanks so much.......Linda >Linda Baribeau >Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. >2041 West Mill Road >Glendale, WI 53209 >Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Fri Apr 11 07:12:32 2008 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Fri Apr 11 07:14:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Burning CD Estimate References: <20080410231012.0BC91EC9FA5@rb.enter.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20080411064545.032e0898@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <000f01c89bc4$f12b6f30$042967d3@kp4> Thank you Bob! I'll contact them. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Herion" To: Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 5:48 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Burning CD Estimate > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Linda, > Here is a source that is perfect for your need: > http://www.discmakers.com/selfservicequoter/ > > Hope that helps. > Bob > > At 07:10 PM 4/10/2008, you wrote: > >I have a regular customer that would like a small quantity of CD's > >burned. They have a catalog and the file that needs to be burned are > >their PDF's. Quantities are 50,75, & 100. We would do the laser > >labels here. They do not need the CD title screened on it. All copy > >is the same for the quantities. I do not wish to buy a burner as > >this is not something I would not do for everyone. This is one of my > >best customers so I would like to help. > > > >Can someone help? > > > >Thanks so much.......Linda > >Linda Baribeau > >Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. > >2041 West Mill Road > >Glendale, WI 53209 > >Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 > > Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's > We use Recycled and Certified Papers > Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 > 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 > www.bucksdigital.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Fri Apr 11 07:28:59 2008 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King) Date: Fri Apr 11 07:29:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source for Printed File Folders Message-ID: <004b01c89bc7$3c528fa0$b4f7aee0$@com> Attorney's office needs printed 14" file folders. Any idea where to get them? Thanks! Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From stalprint at charter.net Fri Apr 11 09:06:32 2008 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Fri Apr 11 08:06:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source for Printed File Folders In-Reply-To: <004b01c89bc7$3c528fa0$b4f7aee0$@com> References: <004b01c89bc7$3c528fa0$b4f7aee0$@com> Message-ID: <47FF6258.3090601@charter.net> http://www.intfiling.com/ Tom King wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Attorney's office needs printed 14" file folders. Any idea where to get >them? > > > >Thanks! > >Tom King >King Printing >1305 W. College Ave. >State College, PA 16801 >Phone: 814-238-2536 >Fax: 814-237-5238 >Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From kk1127 at mindspring.com Fri Apr 11 08:32:29 2008 From: kk1127 at mindspring.com (John Hughes) Date: Fri Apr 11 08:34:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source for Printed File Folders References: <004b01c89bc7$3c528fa0$b4f7aee0$@com> Message-ID: <004301c89bd0$2661ddf0$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Blanks USA John Hughes Kwik Kopy Printing kk1127@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom King" To: "Print Owners" Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 7:28 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Source for Printed File Folders > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Attorney's office needs printed 14" file folders. Any idea where to get > them? > > > > Thanks! > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From bob at rjmprinting.com Fri Apr 11 08:40:23 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Fri Apr 11 08:40:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source for Printed File Folders In-Reply-To: <004b01c89bc7$3c528fa0$b4f7aee0$@com> Message-ID: Try Pam at Continental much cheaper then Blanks USA shipping should be about the same since they are both in Minneapolis. 612-378-4800 Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tom King Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 6:29 AM To: Print Owners Subject: [PrintOwners] Source for Printed File Folders ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Attorney's office needs printed 14" file folders. Any idea where to get them? Thanks! Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From acepm2 at gmail.com Fri Apr 11 09:10:55 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Fri Apr 11 09:11:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Business card slitters Message-ID: Well after taking a page out of Wayne Yadda's book (thank you Wayne!) we too have been busier than heck with business cards. 4C for $50 +$25 art. I seem to be running more, and more and more all the time!! This has also opened accounts that I could NOT get into previously....go figure. Anyway, I'm looking at the Thermotype Quad 20 and wanted to know a few things. 1. Is thermotype still the best business card slitter out there? 2. Anyone with this machine? 3. Pro's/Con's of thermotype vs. other mfgs. Thanks in advance.... Back to cutting. We have about 4-6 hours of cutting to do today for just BUSINESS CARDS!!! -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Fri Apr 11 09:34:44 2008 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Fri Apr 11 09:35:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Are You Green??? References: Message-ID: <005001c89bd8$ceca8840$0600a8c0@Nancy> Just wondering how many "Green" Printers we have. Are you taking advantage of the "Green" Bandwagon? Specifically: What are you doing to take advantage??? and How many of you are using Soy ink and how is that working out? Specifics....problems, cost??? What do you do about the chemicals we use every day. Is there a replacement for them??? Of course most of our papers have been partially recycled for years. Some today are 100% recycled. How do you promote that you use recycled paper? Do you have a big recycle bin for your paper?? Of course Scott and Gayle have really taken advantage of this and it has paid off big time. What benefits have you seen...other than the obvious ...Saving the planet??? TIA Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting From ron at printingconcepts.com Fri Apr 11 09:49:42 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Fri Apr 11 09:49:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46-2 ????? Now: H press longevity? In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620804100644s3a673bd2xf02facf5df14e02b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: One thing I haven't seen mentioned here is jumping to a true printing press out of the duplicator world. If you have the space, buying a good used 19 x 26 2 color gets you all the ink coverage and proper register you need. And going into the current recession I would predict the prices for these type of presses will fall as they did in 2002. Once a pressman goes from the duplicator world to a larger press, he never wants to go back. The reality is that they are easier to run than a duplicator. We have seen the difficulty of smaller press work increase over the past 5-10 years so that even if it is a short run, it doesn't belong on a duplicator. If I was buying one, I would pay extra to get a cream puff, but these still should be within the budget compared to looking at a new duplicator. If you are starting out in this arena, don't try to learn on a problem press. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Jeff Daghir Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 9:45 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Was: QM46-2 ????? Now: H press longevity? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Both the Ryobi 3302 & the Hamada H234 are comparable in size & features to the QM46-2. They are both true 2 colors rather than a common blanket design like the QM46-2, so they both have a larger footprint. It's not a huge difference but walking back and forth from the feed to the delivery all day long does add up and you are very tight on space. As far as I know the Ryobi is not available with an auto plate loader, but the Hamada H234A does have auto plate loaders. I don't have any experience with the autoloaders so I have no idea how well or how poorly they work. Both the Ryobi and the Hamada can be fitted with your choice of dampening systems - Crestlines, Kompacs or motorized dampening. Both include running register, auto blanket washers and push button controls similar to the QM46-2. The max print length on both is slightly smaller - 17.25". It's only a problem if you're trying to run 8.5x11 full bleed 2 up with color bars. It's a real tight squeeze and your color bars have to be very skinny. Other than that I think they would both be close if not equal to a QM46-2 in terms of productivity & print quality. I believe those are your only mainstream choices for a 2 color duplicator - Heidelberg, Ryobi or Hamada. I guess you could include an AB Dick with a T-head but I don't consider it to be in the same class as the other three for features, productivity or print quality. There are some third-world knock-offs but I would steer clear of them. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Jace, > you left off one thing -- what press are you recommending as a suitable > replacement to the QM46-2? How will the press you recommend compare is ease > of set-up for short runs? > Other comparisons re: automation? > > robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Azkwikkopy at aol.com Fri Apr 11 10:30:00 2008 From: Azkwikkopy at aol.com (Azkwikkopy@aol.com) Date: Fri Apr 11 10:30:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Anniversary Message-ID: I have a great employee that is reaching his 15th anniversary with us. What's a good gift? Nick Allion Copy Right Printing 2406 S. 24th Street Phoenix, Arizona 85034 v - 602-275-7255 f - 602-275-9711 c - 602-882-9681 e - copyrightaz@aol.com Pledge Your Copy will be Right, look great and be on time, the first time. ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) From ray at capitol-copy.com Fri Apr 11 10:32:34 2008 From: ray at capitol-copy.com (Ray Sziber) Date: Fri Apr 11 10:32:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RIPIT Parts and Service In-Reply-To: <20080410231012.0BC91EC9FA5@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <000801c89be0$e28f4980$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> Our Ripit Imagesetter needs parts and service. Is there an alternative to sending the unit to the West Coast? We will have to pay some of the FEDEX shipping and enter into a service agreement to have it repaired, so I was wondering if anyone in the Northeast has found someone locally to do the same. Thanks in advance for your response. Ray Sziber Capitol Copy Service NAQP NAPL 116 West State Street Trenton NJ 08608 Ph 609-989-8776 Fx609-989-9570 www.Capitol-Copy.com Now Offering Large Format Printing! verkin tala From swiftyprinting at mac.com Fri Apr 11 10:40:01 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Fri Apr 11 10:40:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Are You Green??? In-Reply-To: <005001c89bd8$ceca8840$0600a8c0@Nancy> References: <005001c89bd8$ceca8840$0600a8c0@Nancy> Message-ID: <9FC1EFD6-C41D-4891-B090-70A6AFD42A3A@mac.com> > Just wondering how many "Green" Printers we have. Are you taking advantage of the "Green" Bandwagon? YES and have been for many many years! > > > Specifically: > What are you doing to take advantage??? > and > How many of you are using Soy ink and how is that working out? > Specifics....problems, cost??? We stock manly FSC certified Papers, Buy from a FSC Paper Merchant. NO on the soybean, it is bad choice. Vegetable Oil Based inks are a better choice. (Soybean is a profitable product now and many farmers in South America are cutting down forest to grow soybean) > > > What do you do about the chemicals we use every day. Is there a > replacement for them??? > Hire a reputable disposal firm which boasts and does reclaiming and recycling. Eliminate harmful chemicals with green ones when possible. > Of course most of our papers have been partially recycled for years. > Some today are 100% recycled. How do you promote that you use > recycled paper? > The promo sheets from the manufacturers are great, just add your name and logo. > Do you have a big recycle bin for your paper?? Of course Scott and > Gayle have really taken advantage of this and it has paid off big > time. > Yes. And soon it will be just like S&Gs. (found a local charity to fundraise for) > What benefits have you seen...other than the obvious ...Saving the > planet??? The future. Also, every time we replace a piece of equipment it MUST eliminate waste, chemicals and be a greener product. Now package everything your doing and promote it to your customers. it is a great sales addition. Wish I could go in to detail, but no time right now. Just did a guest lecture at Harvard on this very item. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From ppiinc7 at gmail.com Fri Apr 11 10:41:27 2008 From: ppiinc7 at gmail.com (John Steffes) Date: Fri Apr 11 10:41:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RIPIT Parts and Service In-Reply-To: <000801c89be0$e28f4980$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> References: <20080410231012.0BC91EC9FA5@rb.enter.net> <000801c89be0$e28f4980$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> Message-ID: Does Bob Weber do this? On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Ray Sziber wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Our Ripit Imagesetter needs parts and service. Is there an alternative to > sending the unit to the West Coast? We will have to pay some of the FEDEX > shipping and enter into a service agreement to have it repaired, so I was > wondering if anyone > in the Northeast has found someone locally to do the same. > Thanks in advance for your response. > > Ray Sziber > Capitol Copy Service NAQP NAPL > 116 West State Street > Trenton NJ 08608 > Ph 609-989-8776 Fx609-989-9570 > www.Capitol-Copy.com > Now Offering Large Format Printing! > verkin tala > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- John Steffes Printing Plus Delray Beach, FL From jgross at techiowa.com Fri Apr 11 10:42:34 2008 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Fri Apr 11 10:42:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Anniversary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004701c89be2$4e12aca0$1e00000a@tech.local> A gift certificate for dinner for two at a nice restaurant - impress his spouse and she will tell him to get out of bed in the mornings because his boss is so good to both of them. Note new email address: jagross@techiowa.com John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc Iowa City, Iowa 52240 techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Azkwikkopy@aol.com Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:30 AM To: PRINTOWNERS@PRINTWEB.ORG Subject: [PrintOwners] Anniversary ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a great employee that is reaching his 15th anniversary with us. What's a good gift? Nick Allion Copy Right Printing 2406 S. 24th Street Phoenix, Arizona 85034 v - 602-275-7255 f - 602-275-9711 c - 602-882-9681 e - copyrightaz@aol.com Pledge Your Copy will be Right, look great and be on time, the first time. ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Fri Apr 11 11:45:01 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Fri Apr 11 11:45:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Black and White Copier In-Reply-To: References: <47FEA774.9090901@fmtc.com> <014701c89b7f$a0dcb5b0$0300a8c0@Brian> Message-ID: <8CA6A02233AA4A2-11FC-1837@WEBMAIL-MC19.sysops.aol.com> Hey Ken.? Just wanted to add to your thread & the one looking on purchasing/leasing a new one.? We have a Canon 7095.? I already have one tech that is not allow to touch my machine.? But recently, we had a service call to fix the 3-hole punch unit.? Wish we never made that call.? I could of lived with punching on our Challange.? The punch & stapling unit's are close to each other, so while they worked on the punch unit they %$^**'d up the stapler.? Now the stapling unit has had three service calls in the last week.? It staples on the edge of the paper & they can't get all on the paper.? Just for your thoughts. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: k_graham@hotmail.com To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 2:53 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] New Black and White Copier ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? >> What are new machines are you using, your pros and cons. Give me some >> ideas of where to start. Our local Ricoh dealer who has the most >> excellent service, recently switched to a Xerox dealer. I have never >> looked at those, so any thoughts?? ? Not new machines - 60, 72, 105 copies minute Canons? ? Given the attempt Ikon made in court to say we could not use laser rated linen in the CPP500, (and for which the Judge has still not provided a verdict). I first would do as someone on the list here mentioned and provide all sorts of samples to be printed and signed off on including papers, transparencies and cover stocks and preperforated stocks.? ? I'd in particular be providing samples of NCR and confirming they will provide a contract using them. In the interim we've found the 60 copy minute IR6000 has troubles wrinkling 11x17 somewhere in the transport mechanism if running a lot of 11x17, starting at about 1,000,000 copies. Our serviceman has swapped out the mechanism with a good one and is attempting to isolate the problem but as we are currently paying by the repair instead of clicks we've decided to run 8.5x11 whenever possible and only go larger sizes on an as needed basis.? ? The 7200 seems perhaps the best for NCR, though its in out other store so I may be missing something. It would be interesting to see if a 8500 Canon would also stand up to lots of NCR daily without excessive tire troubles.? ? The IR105 is okay for high speed bond jobs but the tires wear out in a few 1000 copies on NCR.? ? Our current supplier is an independent Canon and Konica Minolta dealer and is charging us by the repair - as it turns out this is working out better than click charge. At the moment low mileage mid speed repo's at a few thousand dollars seem to be the better deal.? ? Ken Graham? CommunityPrinters.com? ? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From printer at ptialaska.net Fri Apr 11 11:46:43 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Fri Apr 11 11:46:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Anniversary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Apr 11, 2008, at 6:30 AM, Azkwikkopy@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a great employee that is reaching his 15th anniversary with us. > What's a good gift? REPLY: A leatherman wave Knife, they are the best. Get it engraved. _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From kellycrom at gmail.com Fri Apr 11 11:48:28 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Fri Apr 11 11:48:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Are You Green??? In-Reply-To: <005001c89bd8$ceca8840$0600a8c0@Nancy> References: <005001c89bd8$ceca8840$0600a8c0@Nancy> Message-ID: <025c01c89beb$7d094b00$6d01a8c0@KELLY> We've been going "Green" before it was the "In" thing. In Minnesota(and other local states) there is the Great Printers program recognizing printers who have gone above and beyond many environmental initiatives. If you check out this presentation at our website http://www.applied-graphics.com/1086/goGreen.html you will get the gist of everything we have been doing. In the process, we have reduced our hazardous waste by 98%. We don't necessarily use Soy inks, unless the customer requests it. Although, most of our inks already use vegetable/plant based oils. If you really do the research, many "soy-based" inks don't really have a great amount of soybean oil in them, and much of the soybean oil that is used may come from fields(that were previously rainforests) in South America. We generate quite a bit of paper waste, and we use a local paper recycler for taking all of that away. We currently get paid $75.00 per ton of waste. A few years back we worked with a local company who was supplying press chemicals, and helped develop a new non-hazardous press wash that is used now by many of the larger printers in the area. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Nancy > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 8:35 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Are You Green??? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Just wondering how many "Green" Printers we have. Are you > taking advantage > of the "Green" Bandwagon? > > Specifically: > What are you doing to take advantage??? > and > How many of you are using Soy ink and how is that working out? > Specifics....problems, cost??? > > What do you do about the chemicals we use every day. Is there > a replacement > for them??? > > Of course most of our papers have been partially recycled for > years. Some > today are 100% recycled. How do you promote that you use > recycled paper? > > Do you have a big recycle bin for your paper?? Of course > Scott and Gayle > have really taken advantage of this and it has paid off big time. > > What benefits have you seen...other than the obvious > ...Saving the planet??? > > TIA > Nancy Middleton > The Printing Place, Inc. > 5878 Cook Road, Suite F > Milford, OH 45150 > nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com > Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax > 877/248-8774 Toll Free > www.theprintingplaceinc.com > we now have web hosting > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From bob at quickerprinter.com Fri Apr 11 13:14:31 2008 From: bob at quickerprinter.com (R Lavarnway) Date: Fri Apr 11 12:16:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Are You Green??? References: <005001c89bd8$ceca8840$0600a8c0@Nancy> <9FC1EFD6-C41D-4891-B090-70A6AFD42A3A@mac.com> Message-ID: <003d01c89bf7$879b04d0$6701a8c0@pc3> How about this. Stop buying custom printed packing cartons and recycle the paper company cartons, then you can enclose a flyer about how green you are by conserving landfill space, saving trees and reducing carbon dioxide etc. Bob LaVarnway QP Printing & Mailing Elmira, NY > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> > Just wondering how many "Green" Printers we have. Are you taking > advantage of the "Green" Bandwagon? > > From dvmonto at optonline.net Fri Apr 11 12:15:41 2008 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Fri Apr 11 12:17:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RIPIT Parts and Service In-Reply-To: <000801c89be0$e28f4980$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> Message-ID: Well Exxtra (manufacturer of the imagesetter) used to be located on Long Island until 3/31/08. They have since moved to Alabama. Give them a call and maybe they can recommend someone locally. Exxtra Imaging Systems , Inc. Website: www.exxtra.com Phone: (631) 348-1400 Fax: (631) 231-4399 You could also call Walter at Composition Solutions: 413-549-2808 in Mass. -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong. - -- Abraham Lincoln On 4/11/08 10:32 AM, "Ray Sziber" wrote: > Our Ripit Imagesetter needs parts and service. Is there an alternative to > sending the unit to the West Coast? We will have to pay some of the FEDEX > shipping and enter into a service agreement to have it repaired, so I was > wondering if anyone > in the Northeast has found someone locally to do the same. > Thanks in advance for your response. > > Ray Sziber > Capitol Copy Service NAQP NAPL > 116 West State Street > Trenton NJ 08608 > Ph 609-989-8776 Fx609-989-9570 > www.Capitol-Copy.com > Now Offering Large Format Printing! > verkin tala > > > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri Apr 11 13:07:57 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri Apr 11 13:08:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RIPIT Parts and Service In-Reply-To: <000801c89be0$e28f4980$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> References: <20080410231012.0BC91EC9FA5@rb.enter.net> <000801c89be0$e28f4980$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0804111007i3cd154c5i58d334e09aa2407e@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Ray wrote: > Our Ripit Imagesetter needs parts and service. Is there an alternative to > sending the unit to the West Coast? We will have to pay some of the FEDEX > shipping and enter into a service agreement to have it repaired, so I was > wondering if anyone in the Northeast has found someone locally to do the same. Try Walter Swarz at Composition Solutions in MA. 413-549-2808 We bought our ExxtraSetter from him quite a while ago, and his service has always been excellent. I'm fairly certain he can help. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ========================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From char at themasterspress.com Fri Apr 11 13:22:32 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Fri Apr 11 13:22:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Are You Green??? In-Reply-To: <003d01c89bf7$879b04d0$6701a8c0@pc3> References: <005001c89bd8$ceca8840$0600a8c0@Nancy><9FC1EFD6-C41D-4891-B090-70A6AFD42A3A@mac.com> <003d01c89bf7$879b04d0$6701a8c0@pc3> Message-ID: <009901c89bf8$a09f7aa0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> OK it's Friday. Watch 60 minutes tonite and find out how to make even your baby green. We don't use nearly as much wood and cause as much waste as babies with their diapers. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of R Lavarnway Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 12:15 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Are You Green??? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** How about this. Stop buying custom printed packing cartons and recycle the paper company cartons, then you can enclose a flyer about how green you are by conserving landfill space, saving trees and reducing carbon dioxide etc. Bob LaVarnway QP Printing & Mailing Elmira, NY > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> > Just wondering how many "Green" Printers we have. Are you taking > advantage of the "Green" Bandwagon? > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3019 (20080411) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3019 (20080411) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3019 (20080411) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Fri Apr 11 13:42:04 2008 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Fri Apr 11 13:42:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Are You Green??? References: <005001c89bd8$ceca8840$0600a8c0@Nancy><9FC1EFD6-C41D-4891-B090-70A6AFD42A3A@mac.com><003d01c89bf7$879b04d0$6701a8c0@pc3> <009901c89bf8$a09f7aa0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <00ad01c89bfb$5c376550$0600a8c0@Nancy> LOL I'm old, old Charlene. My babies used cloth diapers and they were 19 months apart so I had 2 in diapers at the same time.And....we were young and rented an apartment that had a wringer washer and no dryer. I cringe even now thinking about it. I was VERY green at that time. And I don't mean environmentally green!!! Nan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlene Sims" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 12:22 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Are You Green??? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > OK it's Friday. Watch 60 minutes tonite and find out how to make even > your > baby green. We don't use nearly as much wood and cause as much waste as > babies with their diapers. > ch > > Charlene Sims > President > The Master's Press, Inc. > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 > www.TheMastersPress.com > char@themasterspress.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of R Lavarnway > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 12:15 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Are You Green??? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > How about this. Stop buying custom printed packing cartons and recycle > the > paper company cartons, then you can enclose a flyer about how green you > are > by conserving landfill space, saving trees and reducing carbon dioxide > etc. > > > Bob LaVarnway > QP Printing & Mailing > Elmira, NY > > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>> >> Just wondering how many "Green" Printers we have. Are you taking >> advantage of the "Green" Bandwagon? >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 3019 (20080411) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 3019 (20080411) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 3019 (20080411) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From george at dahlquistprinting.com Fri Apr 11 12:45:05 2008 From: george at dahlquistprinting.com (George Dahlquist) Date: Fri Apr 11 13:45:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Plastic Coil Message-ID: <002c01c89bf3$656bf030$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> I'm in the market for plastic coil binding equipment. Anyone have any suggestions or recommendations as to what to look for and what to stay away from? Thanks. George Dahlquist Dahlquist Printing & Graphics Orlando, FL george@dahlquistprinting.com From bradw at auburnprint.com Fri Apr 11 13:46:03 2008 From: bradw at auburnprint.com (Brad Weston) Date: Fri Apr 11 13:47:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Anniversary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20080411104100.04151898@127.0.0.1> We give each employee $100 a year for each year worked. 5year ($500) 10year ($1000) etc. We give them cash and we do it at our monthly staff meeting, so everyone knows. Brad Weston Auburn Printers 13020 Earhart Ave Auburn CA 95602 "Endurance Capitol of the World" 530-885-9674 Phone 530-885-6517 Fax <http://www.auburnprint.com/> At 08:46 AM 4/11/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >On Apr 11, 2008, at 6:30 AM, Azkwikkopy@aol.com wrote: >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>I have a great employee that is reaching his 15th anniversary with us. >>What's a good gift? > > >REPLY: >A leatherman wave Knife, they are the best. Get it engraved. > >_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > >Charles Lincoln >ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY >612 30th Avenue >Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 >(907) 451-1111 >fax (907) 451-4511 > >_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > Thanks Brad Weston Auburn Printers 13020 Earhart Ave Auburn CA 95602 "Endurance Capitol of the World" 530-885-9674 Phone 530-885-6517 Fax <http://www.auburnprint.com/> From david.doost at gmail.com Fri Apr 11 14:49:51 2008 From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost) Date: Fri Apr 11 13:56:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Plastic Coil In-Reply-To: <002c01c89bf3$656bf030$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> References: <002c01c89bf3$656bf030$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> Message-ID: <47ffa648.050cc00a.5246.ffff8e14@mx.google.com> www.rhin-o-tuff.com/ Their name says it all. Built to last. We have had great experience with their line. David Doost Printing Impression Kennesaw, GA 30144 770-422-8766 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of George Dahlquist Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 12:45 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Plastic Coil ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I'm in the market for plastic coil binding equipment. Anyone have any suggestions or recommendations as to what to look for and what to stay away from? Thanks. George Dahlquist Dahlquist Printing & Graphics Orlando, FL george@dahlquistprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Fri Apr 11 13:59:27 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Fri Apr 11 13:59:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Plastic Coil In-Reply-To: <002c01c89bf3$656bf030$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> References: <002c01c89bf3$656bf030$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> Message-ID: <8CA6A14EB2A3512-11FC-23DA@WEBMAIL-MC19.sysops.aol.com> Rhino-tuff? <---Never gets tired! Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: George Dahlquist To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:45 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] Plastic Coil ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I'm in the market for plastic coil binding equipment. Anyone have any suggestions or recommendations as to what to look for and what to stay away from? Thanks. George Dahlquist Dahlquist Printing & Graphics Orlando, FL george@dahlquistprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Fri Apr 11 14:04:02 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Fri Apr 11 14:04:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Plastic Coil In-Reply-To: <20080411175633.16F20ECC031@rb.enter.net> References: <20080411175633.16F20ECC031@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: 'Hear Hear', me-too, ditto, ditto, ditto, likewise. > www.rhin-o-tuff.com/ > > Their name says it all. Built to last. We have had great experience > with > their line. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 11 14:06:14 2008 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Fri Apr 11 14:04:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Are You Green??? References: <005001c89bd8$ceca8840$0600a8c0@Nancy><9FC1EFD6-C41D-4891-B090-70A6AFD42A3A@mac.com><003d01c89bf7$879b04d0$6701a8c0@pc3><009901c89bf8$a09f7aa0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <00ad01c89bfb$5c376550$0600a8c0@Nancy> Message-ID: <002701c89bfe$bbc66900$0301a8c0@Leah> Nan, You were probably "environmentally green" at the time, but none of us knew any different. Clothe diapers, wringer washer, no dryer - how green can you get? Not too sure I'd want to go back there. Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Are You Green??? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > LOL > I'm old, old Charlene. > My babies used cloth diapers and they were 19 months apart so I had 2 in > diapers at the same time.And....we were young and rented an apartment that > had a wringer washer and no dryer. I cringe even now thinking about it. > I was VERY green at that time. And I don't mean environmentally green!!! > Nan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charlene Sims" > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 12:22 PM > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Are You Green??? > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> OK it's Friday. Watch 60 minutes tonite and find out how to make even >> your >> baby green. We don't use nearly as much wood and cause as much waste as >> babies with their diapers. >> ch >> >> Charlene Sims >> President >> The Master's Press, Inc. >> 14550 Midway Road >> Dallas, Tx 75244 >> >> 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 >> www.TheMastersPress.com >> char@themasterspress.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of R Lavarnway >> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 12:15 PM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Are You Green??? >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> How about this. Stop buying custom printed packing cartons and recycle >> the >> paper company cartons, then you can enclose a flyer about how green you >> are >> by conserving landfill space, saving trees and reducing carbon dioxide >> etc. >> >> >> Bob LaVarnway >> QP Printing & Mailing >> Elmira, NY >> >> >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>>> >>> Just wondering how many "Green" Printers we have. Are you taking >>> advantage of the "Green" Bandwagon? >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 3019 (20080411) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 3019 (20080411) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 3019 (20080411) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1373 - > Release Date: 4/11/2008 9:17 AM > > From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Fri Apr 11 14:12:17 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Fri Apr 11 14:12:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Are You Green??? In-Reply-To: <20080411175633.16F20ECC031@rb.enter.net> References: <20080411175633.16F20ECC031@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: The few pence spent on new cartons (made from recycled corrugated board) distinguishes us from the basement printer who likely sends his waste to the landfill. Would you patronize a pizza house that delivers your hot pizza in a used food wholesaler's carton? > How about this. Stop buying custom printed packing cartons and > recycle the paper company cartons, then you can enclose a flyer about > how green you are by conserving landfill space, saving trees and > reducing carbon dioxide etc. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From kevin at proprinters.ca Fri Apr 11 14:12:28 2008 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin at PRO Printers) Date: Fri Apr 11 14:12:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Plastic Coil References: <002c01c89bf3$656bf030$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> Message-ID: <00f601c89bff$9bcb3210$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> We've had the following Rhinotuff products since the fall and are very pleased. HD7700 punch, PAL-14 picker and APES-14 ejector/stacker. Go to their website and see how fast it is. Get the electric eye switch on the punch and it's even faster. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Dahlquist" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 12:45 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Plastic Coil > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'm in the market for plastic coil binding equipment. Anyone have any > suggestions or recommendations as to what to look for and what to stay > away from? Thanks. > > George Dahlquist > Dahlquist Printing & Graphics > Orlando, FL > george@dahlquistprinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From info at desktopsxm.com Fri Apr 11 14:22:45 2008 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Fri Apr 11 14:20:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF to indesign In-Reply-To: References: <20080411175633.16F20ECC031@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <1DC0FB17-2E8F-4042-A6E7-7F189AAFFF2C@desktopsxm.com> We have to print a booklet from a PDF file but when importing the file to indesign CS3 and printing it as a booklet all the black text seems to convert to CMYK and you can see yellow in the background of the text. When printing it from the PDF file it prints the black perfectly. Any ideas what can be done. Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten Tel 542-4044 fax 543-1100 "The Printshop with a Difference" From swiftyprinting at mac.com Fri Apr 11 14:40:29 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Fri Apr 11 14:40:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF to indesign In-Reply-To: <1DC0FB17-2E8F-4042-A6E7-7F189AAFFF2C@desktopsxm.com> References: <20080411175633.16F20ECC031@rb.enter.net> <1DC0FB17-2E8F-4042-A6E7-7F189AAFFF2C@desktopsxm.com> Message-ID: On Apr 11, 2008, at 2:22 PM, Joel Brint wrote: > We have to print a booklet from a PDF file but when importing the > file to indesign CS3 and printing it as a booklet all the black text > seems to convert to CMYK and you can see yellow in the background of > the text. > When printing it from the PDF file it prints the black perfectly. > Any ideas what can be done. Just the obvious question, why are you putting it into InDesign? Create the booklet in Acrobat. The color change comes from your color settings in InDesign. Both the color match preferences and when printing, change the output to Composite Leave As Is. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From sos at olympus.net Fri Apr 11 14:45:42 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Apr 11 14:46:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Are You Green??? References: <005001c89bd8$ceca8840$0600a8c0@Nancy><9FC1EFD6-C41D-4891-B090-70A6AFD42A3A@mac.com><003d01c89bf7$879b04d0$6701a8c0@pc3><009901c89bf8$a09f7aa0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <00ad01c89bfb$5c376550$0600a8c0@Nancy> Message-ID: <028901c89c04$3ece0330$6900a8c0@DANIEL> We have been an EnviroStar printer for six years now. It gives us something to promote. Our FSC audit is later today, so I'm hoping we'll be Forest Stewardship Council certified within hours. Again, something to promote. An entree to certain customers who like that sort of thing. A badge of honor you can add to your bag of tricks. But we've always recycled everything possible, and tried very hard to be careful about proper disposal of waste. It's nice to have a way to validate that. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From david at commercialpressink.com Fri Apr 11 14:56:58 2008 From: david at commercialpressink.com (David Charleson) Date: Fri Apr 11 14:51:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Metal Signs Message-ID: <47FFB47A.10404@commercialpressink.com> I have a customer that is looking for some metal signs.Anyone out there have a source? You can email me if you like or post on here TIA David Charleson 216 Cowan Rd Canton NY 13617 315.386.3431 david@commercialpressink.com www.commercialpressink.com From cpurvine1 at cox.net Fri Apr 11 15:23:02 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Fri Apr 11 15:22:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Plastic Coil In-Reply-To: <47ffa648.050cc00a.5246.ffff8e14@mx.google.com> References: <002c01c89bf3$656bf030$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> <47ffa648.050cc00a.5246.ffff8e14@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <007001c89c09$75bda260$6401a8c0@corapurvine> We have a new machine (TitanCoil), but don't like it as well as the Rhino that we borrow from another printer and it is an old one. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Fax: 316-854-0321 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From brianoday at eprint.us Fri Apr 11 15:45:04 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Fri Apr 11 15:47:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Anniversary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00eb01c89c0c$89eb50e0$800101df@eprint.local> Fifteen years haw about a weekend at a nice resort or a Short cruse out of LA. That kind of loyalty should be rewarded if he is making you money and you want him to stay another 15 years. Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Azkwikkopy@aol.com Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 7:30 AM To: PRINTOWNERS@PRINTWEB.ORG Subject: [PrintOwners] Anniversary ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a great employee that is reaching his 15th anniversary with us. What's a good gift? Nick Allion Copy Right Printing 2406 S. 24th Street Phoenix, Arizona 85034 v - 602-275-7255 f - 602-275-9711 c - 602-882-9681 e - copyrightaz@aol.com Pledge Your Copy will be Right, look great and be on time, the first time. ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kellycrom at gmail.com Fri Apr 11 15:53:19 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Fri Apr 11 15:53:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Burning CD Estimate In-Reply-To: <000a01c89b45$ac7ad940$042967d3@kp4> References: <000a01c89b45$ac7ad940$042967d3@kp4> Message-ID: <02a801c89c0d$b1aafc60$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Do any of your computers have a CD burner? Most likely so. If you(or any employee) aren't completely swamped, then burn them yourself. It really wouldn't take much time to burn 100 CD's. What I did a little while back was to find the best pricing I could get for burning and printing. I then based my pricing(to do them here) on what I would charge the customer if I had to outsource them. If I'm not busy, I do them in-house. If I am, I send them out. Actually, the customer that we have been doing about 100 CD's a month for just ordered 150. I did a quick ebay search and found a used 7 slot cd/dvd duplicator for about $475. Best thing, the seller was literally just down the street. I picked up the burner about 90 minutes ago. I have about 125 burned, and will be done in a few minutes! Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Linda Baribeau > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 3:01 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Burning CD Estimate > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a regular customer that would like a small quantity of > CD's burned. They have a catalog and the file that needs to > be burned are their PDF's. Quantities are 50,75, & 100. We > would do the laser labels here. They do not need the CD title > screened on it. All copy is the same for the quantities. I do > not wish to buy a burner as this is not something I would not > do for everyone. This is one of my best customers so I would > like to help. > > Can someone help? > > Thanks so much.......Linda > Linda Baribeau > Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. > 2041 West Mill Road > Glendale, WI 53209 > Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From russ at mobile-print.com Fri Apr 11 16:11:34 2008 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Fri Apr 11 16:11:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Are You Green??? In-Reply-To: References: <20080411175633.16F20ECC031@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <47FFC5F6.9040302@mobile-print.com> > > > The few pence spent on new cartons (made from recycled corrugated > board) distinguishes us from the basement printer who likely sends his > waste to the landfill. > > Would you patronize a pizza house that delivers your hot pizza in a > used food wholesaler's carton? > >> How about this. Stop buying custom printed packing cartons and >> recycle the paper company cartons, then you can enclose a flyer about >> how green you are by conserving landfill space, saving trees and >> reducing carbon dioxide etc. > I agree - we always use new cartons. The old ones are flattened & given to our recycler. Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Fri Apr 11 16:15:24 2008 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King) Date: Fri Apr 11 16:15:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Plastic Coil In-Reply-To: <007001c89c09$75bda260$6401a8c0@corapurvine> References: <002c01c89bf3$656bf030$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local> <47ffa648.050cc00a.5246.ffff8e14@mx.google.com> <007001c89c09$75bda260$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <000001c89c10$c67204b0$53560e10$@com> We have the Rhino Tuff and it works fine, but fulfilling an order for 1,000 or 2,000 coil bound books can be a rather daunting experience. Does anyone have any experience with more automated coil binding equipment? Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From andrew.flamm at gmail.com Fri Apr 11 16:17:21 2008 From: andrew.flamm at gmail.com (Andy Flamm) Date: Fri Apr 11 16:17:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Engineering Copiers-KIP vs Ricoh vs Oce vs? Message-ID: I am looking at upgrading my large format engineering copier to a digital machine that can scan, print, enlarge, reduce, etc., but our volume is low so I am looking at used entry-level equipment. I'm wondering if you have any comments on the following options I am considering, or would recommend something else entirely. All units have scan/print controller. KIP 6000, used for $9200 installed by dealer Ricoh 470W with upgraded computer, coming off lease, for $9100 installed by dealer Oce 9400 II, used for $3500 from a Craigslist seller I'd prefer a 1-piece unit due to space limitations, but the Oce is so much cheaper that I might consider it. Your comments will be appreciated! Andy Flamm -- Cedar Business Printing 345 Cedar Street, Suite 256 Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101 651-293-3904 voice 651-293-3905 fax andy@CedarBusinessPrinting.com www.CedarBusinessPrinting.com From bill at mauiprintworks.com Fri Apr 11 16:19:31 2008 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Fri Apr 11 16:19:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Four51 - Anyone have info on them? Message-ID: <32507A3E-E0CE-4EAF-BAAA-D0A2DC1F4FB2@mauiprintworks.com> Any of you have info on what services Four51 provides and if they're a benefit to a small commercial print shop? One of our customers suggested we contact Four51 for the services we could provide thru them or they could provide thru us. Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793 bill@mauiprintworks.com 808-242-6634 From doug at vipprinting.com Fri Apr 11 16:17:42 2008 From: doug at vipprinting.com (Douglas W. Rinnert) Date: Fri Apr 11 16:23:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Are You Green??? In-Reply-To: <47FFC5F6.9040302@mobile-print.com> References: <20080411175633.16F20ECC031@rb.enter.net> <47FFC5F6.9040302@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: We save all our old paper cartons and give them to local churches who use them to distribute items to the needy. We also have given them to folks that are moving and need them for packing small items for their move. Doug Rinnert V.I.P. Printing & Design 9862 Crescent Park Drive West Chester, Ohio 45069 513.777.7468 office 513.777.7459 fax -- Doug Rinnert V.I.P. Printing & Design 9862 Crescent Park Drive West Chester, Ohio 45069 513.777.7468 office 513.777.7459 fax 513.623.6907 cell From Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com Fri Apr 11 16:26:26 2008 From: Gerrye at PorathPrintSource.com (Gerry Engelhart) Date: Fri Apr 11 16:26:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Laminating digital covers Message-ID: <200804111526812.SM03184@Engelhart> We are doing a cover for a 36 page saddle stitched booklet 11 x 17 folds to 8.5x11, two stitches in the spine We are thinking of doing the covers digitally covers would print on one side and then laminate We would then score the covers before doing the bindery Any need to be concerned about cracking toner on the spine? In my opinion, the laminating should be adequate protection, but I welcome input from the group. Gerry Engelhart Porath Printsource Cleveland OH From steve at toledoprinter.com Fri Apr 11 17:03:24 2008 From: steve at toledoprinter.com (West Printing) Date: Fri Apr 11 17:02:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF to indesign In-Reply-To: <1DC0FB17-2E8F-4042-A6E7-7F189AAFFF2C@desktopsxm.com> References: <20080411175633.16F20ECC031@rb.enter.net> <1DC0FB17-2E8F-4042-A6E7-7F189AAFFF2C@desktopsxm.com> Message-ID: <00ac01c89c17$7bd97990$738c6cb0$@com> Anytime you have to meld color settings from a placed document, trouble is at the door. You might want to check to make sure you have "color management" turned off and "Leave Color Unchanged" in the ID print dialog. Sometimes what is black, isn't black or is a rich black cmyk color space. I like to use Acrobat's "output preview" under the "Advanced" tab to see what colors are present. You can also do something similar in ID. On a PeeCee, Window>Output>separation preview to see what colors are displayed. But that aside, I try to avoid ID booklet making from placed PDFs unless you can't use the limited Acrobat booklet making function. (See the drop down button under the "paper scaling" area of the Acrobat print dialog box. Limited functionality but may be exactly what you need. Best wishes, Steve Robison West Printing Co. 327 12th Street, Toledo, OH 43604 Ph. 419.246.0857, steve@toledoprinter.com? **************************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Joel Brint > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 2:23 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF to indesign > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have to print a booklet from a PDF file but when importing > the > file to indesign CS3 and printing it as a booklet all the black > text > seems to convert to CMYK and you can see yellow in the background > of > the text. > When printing it from the PDF file it prints the black perfectly. > Any ideas what can be done. > > > Joel Brint > Desktop Imaging > St. Maarten > Tel 542-4044 > fax 543-1100 > > "The Printshop with a Difference" > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kellycrom at gmail.com Fri Apr 11 17:15:14 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Fri Apr 11 17:15:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Anniversary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02ba01c89c19$236a65b0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> This is what we have done: 10 years - Diamond Ring 15 years - Gold Watch 20 years - Something they might want or need Our 1st 20 year employee(she's at 27 now) got some more jewelry(she loves the stuff), at 25 years she had been talking about getting a new computer, so we went out and bought her a nice one. Our 2nd 20 year employee got a new Weber(gas) grill and ice cream maker(he loves making ice cream for everyone in the summer). Our 3rd 20 year employee got gift cards to the mail-order company where he buys parts for his Hot Rod. Also, we also throw a catered in-shop lunch party on the day we give out the award. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > Azkwikkopy@aol.com > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:30 AM > To: PRINTOWNERS@PRINTWEB.ORG > Subject: [PrintOwners] Anniversary > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a great employee that is reaching his 15th anniversary > with us. > What's a good gift? > > Nick Allion > Copy Right Printing > 2406 S. 24th Street > Phoenix, Arizona 85034 > v - 602-275-7255 > f - 602-275-9711 > c - 602-882-9681 > e - copyrightaz@aol.com > > Pledge > Your Copy will be Right, look great and be on time, the first time. > > > > > > ************** > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. > > > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv0 0030000000016) > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Fri Apr 11 17:38:51 2008 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt) Date: Fri Apr 11 17:39:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Engineering Copiers-KIP vs Ricoh vs Oce vs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4/11/08 3:17 PM, "Andy Flamm" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am looking at upgrading my large format engineering copier to a digital > machine that can scan, print, enlarge, reduce, etc., but our volume is low > so I am looking at used entry-level equipment. I'm wondering if you have any > comments on the following options I am considering, or would recommend > something else entirely. All units have scan/print controller. > > KIP 6000, used for $9200 installed by dealer We have a KIP 6000 that we bought new about 3 years ago and are VERY happy with it. I have had Oce equipment in the past and was not impressed, but it was a long time ago and perhaps it has improved. Our KIP has four rolls available, which is great and the software handles most file types with the exception of AutoCAD . Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt Harkins President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From copythatnyc at aol.com Fri Apr 11 17:57:07 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Fri Apr 11 18:03:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Anniversary In-Reply-To: <02ba01c89c19$236a65b0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <02ba01c89c19$236a65b0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <8CA6A361EA3454E-11FC-36BE@WEBMAIL-MC19.sysops.aol.com> Kelly can I work for you? Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 5:15 pm Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Anniversary ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** This is what we have done: 10 years - Diamond Ring 15 years - Gold Watch 20 years - Something they might want or need Our 1st 20 year employee(she's at 27 now) got some more jewelry(she loves the stuff), at 25 years she had been talking about getting a new computer, so we went out and bought her a nice one. Our 2nd 20 year employee got a new Weber(gas) grill and ice cream maker(he loves making ice cream for everyone in the summer). Our 3rd 20 year employee got gift cards to the mail-order company where he buys parts for his Hot Rod. Also, we also throw a catered in-shop lunch party on the day we give out the award. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > Azkwikkopy@aol.com > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:30 AM > To: PRINTOWNERS@PRINTWEB.ORG > Subject: [PrintOwners] Anniversary > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a great employee that is reaching his 15th anniversary > with us. > What's a good gift? > > Nick Allion > Copy Right Printing > 2406 S. 24th Street > Phoenix, Arizona 85034 > v - 602-275-7255 > f - 602-275-9711 > c - 602-882-9681 > e - copyrightaz@aol.com > > Pledge > Your Copy will be Right, look great and be on time, the first time. > > > > > > ************** > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. > > > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv0 0030000000016) > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From char at themasterspress.com Fri Apr 11 18:04:37 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Fri Apr 11 18:04:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collecting /company buy out Message-ID: <012e01c89c20$08d93bc0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> I have a pretty large customer that was brought out by a new company. I have contacted the new people or tried to and not getting anywhere. The old company also owes me $1500. When I call they ask me to send copies of the invoice and I do. Then it is all repeated again. Can't get to anyone it seems that can help me get paid or get into the new doors. I want my money but would also love to keep the customer. Sort of feel stuck. Any advice. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com From stumarty at wrightprinting.com Fri Apr 11 18:33:55 2008 From: stumarty at wrightprinting.com (Stu) Date: Fri Apr 11 18:34:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collecting /company buy out In-Reply-To: <012e01c89c20$08d93bc0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <012e01c89c20$08d93bc0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: On or about 5:04 PM -0500 4/11/08, Charlene Sims emailed the following: >I have a pretty large customer that was brought out by a new company. I >have contacted the new people or tried to and not getting anywhere. The old >company also owes me $1500. When I call they ask me to send copies of the >invoice and I do. Then it is all repeated again. Can't get to anyone it >seems that can help me get paid or get into the new doors. I want my money >but would also love to keep the customer. Sort of feel stuck. Any advice. Char, Contact them and tell the new company you have mumblesomething (='s significant value) dollars worth of "their" printing masters, and you are unsure if you should continue to keep them or what. That should get you past the riffraff to the new buyer individual. If they want the "printing masters," you can use the amount owed as needed for settlement. Of course you should have your selling hat on during these negotiations. If they settle their account, and insist on receiving the files, happily give them printing plates, but hold onto computer files, and/or hard-art and negs. -just old stu- -- =============== SETTING IT WRIGHT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I wondered why the NEO was getting bigger. Then it hit me. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com From sos at olympus.net Fri Apr 11 20:37:57 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Apr 11 21:10:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Engineering Copiers-KIP vs Ricoh vs Oce vs? References: Message-ID: <02e501c89c39$e48b4320$6900a8c0@DANIEL> >> KIP 6000, used for $9200 installed by dealer > > We have a KIP 6000 that we bought new about 3 years ago and are VERY happy > with it. ===================== I used to have the Richo W470 for three years. It was good, but we replaced it with the W480 which is better. The RIP can handle files with much less trouble than the old one, I don't know if the old 470 RIP can be upgraded, I'd check that. $9000 seems a bit steep for a 470. I expect to pay less than that for the 480 when it is at the end of lease, about another year. (Three year, fair market buyout). But if that includes the latest RIP, maybe OK. I don't have any experience with KIP or Oce. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From robin at protypeonline.com Sat Apr 12 10:22:25 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Sat Apr 12 10:22:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] ID and barcodes? Message-ID: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com> My staff asked me to ask this question on their behalf.... "How do you get indesign to create a postnet barcode when using data merge for variable printing?" robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From acepm2 at gmail.com Sat Apr 12 10:29:42 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Sat Apr 12 10:30:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] ID and barcodes? In-Reply-To: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com> References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: Robin, Don't waste your time with Postnet. You should be gearing up for IMB's instead. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > My staff asked me to ask this question on their behalf.... > > "How do you get indesign to create a postnet barcode when using data merge > for variable printing?" > > robin > > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Sat Apr 12 10:32:04 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Sat Apr 12 10:32:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] ID and barcodes? In-Reply-To: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com> References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: You need that barcode font. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:22 AM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] ID and barcodes? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** My staff asked me to ask this question on their behalf.... "How do you get indesign to create a postnet barcode when using data merge for variable printing?" robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From robin at protypeonline.com Sat Apr 12 11:06:11 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Sat Apr 12 11:06:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collecting /company buy out Message-ID: Charlene, this seems to happen more and more with my manufacturing accounts. Just like an old chinese proverb -- something about water dripping on a stone -- keep at it and make more and more REGULAR phone calls and even drive to see them -- folks in receiving and also the security folks have always been the most helpful in sharing names of right person to talk with and even getting me to meet with them (albeit unannounced) face to face. It will be worth the effort -- or so it has been for me in the past. Frustrating but..... :) robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Sun Apr 13 19:26:44 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Sun Apr 13 19:26:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Duplo DC-645 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is supposed to be a slitter/cutter/creaser. I know morgana kind of has a lock on the creasing market right now, but had anyone heard anything on this? Regards, Borzou www.falconprintandcopy.com t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Mon Apr 14 04:02:04 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Mon Apr 14 04:09:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Four51 - Anyone have info on them? In-Reply-To: <32507A3E-E0CE-4EAF-BAAA-D0A2DC1F4FB2@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: I've been solicited by them for some time, but always ignored them. I'd be highly interested in any info on this as well. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Maui Print Works > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:19:31 -1000 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: [PrintOwners] Four51 - Anyone have info on them? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Any of you have info on what services Four51 provides and if they're > a benefit to a small commercial print shop? One of our customers > suggested we contact Four51 for the services we could provide thru > them or they could provide thru us. > > Bill Marsh > Maui Print Works > 70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793 > bill@mauiprintworks.com > 808-242-6634 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From ray at capitol-copy.com Mon Apr 14 09:50:16 2008 From: ray at capitol-copy.com (Ray Sziber) Date: Mon Apr 14 09:50:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ripit 400 Speedsetter In-Reply-To: <20080411202325.B5144ECC7B3@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <001a01c89e36$795ab730$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> Thanks to this list, I found a local repair guy. Our "spinner motor" is about to die in the Ripit imager, and we were trying to avoid getting a loaner and shipping 2 ways to the West Coast. Brooks Office Equipment (856-857-0464) sells and services Ripits. He is located in Voorhees, NJ. A reconditioned motor will cost about $2300 plus $175.00/hour labor. Thanks again to those who helped me. If anyone has further input, especially about Brooks, please share or e-mail me offlist. Ray Sziber Capitol Copy Service NAQP NAPL 116 West State Street Trenton NJ 08608 Ph 609-989-8776 Fx609-989-9570 www.Capitol-Copy.com Now Offering Large Format Printing! verkin tala From jgross at techiowa.com Mon Apr 14 10:19:30 2008 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Mon Apr 14 10:19:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Engineering Copiers-KIP vs Ricoh vs Oce vs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005c01c89e3a$8e4138f0$1e00000a@tech.local> Dan, check with your dealer about how long the machine will be supported. The service contract is as important as the purchase price, as well as the toner price. The clicks and toner add up quickly. Don't get locked into a toner and paper contract. Separately you can usually do better. Get references on the dealer service customers. I personally like KIP machines, service our own 8000's. Note new email address: jagross@techiowa.com John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc Iowa City, Iowa 52240 techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Andy Flamm Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 3:17 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Engineering Copiers-KIP vs Ricoh vs Oce vs? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am looking at upgrading my large format engineering copier to a digital machine that can scan, print, enlarge, reduce, etc., but our volume is low so I am looking at used entry-level equipment. I'm wondering if you have any comments on the following options I am considering, or would recommend something else entirely. All units have scan/print controller. KIP 6000, used for $9200 installed by dealer Ricoh 470W with upgraded computer, coming off lease, for $9100 installed by dealer Oce 9400 II, used for $3500 from a Craigslist seller I'd prefer a 1-piece unit due to space limitations, but the Oce is so much cheaper that I might consider it. Your comments will be appreciated! Andy Flamm -- Cedar Business Printing 345 Cedar Street, Suite 256 Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101 651-293-3904 voice 651-293-3905 fax andy@CedarBusinessPrinting.com www.CedarBusinessPrinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com Mon Apr 14 12:35:07 2008 From: s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com (Sonya Hughes) Date: Mon Apr 14 12:46:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper Source In-Reply-To: References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: We have an Epson 7800 and every time we need to buy paper (it takes 24") have trouble finding the paper we bought the time before. We can, of course, buy it from Epson, but their prices are the highest - and we'd like to not have to pay them. Does anyone have a good source for Epson wide format papers? Someone they've bought consistently from? I would appreciate sharing their source, if they do. Thanks Sonya Legends Printing Dodge City, KS From kellycrom at gmail.com Mon Apr 14 13:08:52 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Mon Apr 14 13:08:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper Source In-Reply-To: References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <03e801c89e52$37d2d510$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Try www.itsupplies.com. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Sonya Hughes > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:35 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper Source > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > We have an Epson 7800 and every time we need to buy paper (it takes > 24") have trouble finding the paper we bought the time before. We > can, of course, buy it from Epson, but their prices are the > highest - > and we'd like to not have to pay them. Does anyone have a good > source for Epson wide format papers? Someone they've bought > consistently from? I would appreciate sharing their source, > if they do. > Thanks > Sonya > Legends Printing > Dodge City, KS > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From tufelkinder at gmail.com Mon Apr 14 14:05:18 2008 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Mon Apr 14 14:05:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper Source In-Reply-To: <03e801c89e52$37d2d510$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com> <03e801c89e52$37d2d510$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0804141105s507ae620o28c90f265a5148ab@mail.gmail.com> http://parrotcolor.com also, http://dotworks.com -- Acme graphics is a great low-cost source of paper for the 7800/9800. Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA 800-955-3902 tufelkinder@gmail.com http://mercersburg.net -~ What color is a chameleon on a mirror? From jgross at techiowa.com Mon Apr 14 14:42:45 2008 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Mon Apr 14 14:42:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper Source In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001501c89e5f$5787abd0$1e00000a@tech.local> My rep for large format bond and other stock is below. She sells for Azon. Reliable products at a fair price. Susan Dubovsky (ddobovsky@msn.com) Note new email address: jagross@techiowa.com John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc Iowa City, Iowa 52240 techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Sonya Hughes Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:35 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper Source ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have an Epson 7800 and every time we need to buy paper (it takes 24") have trouble finding the paper we bought the time before. We can, of course, buy it from Epson, but their prices are the highest - and we'd like to not have to pay them. Does anyone have a good source for Epson wide format papers? Someone they've bought consistently from? I would appreciate sharing their source, if they do. Thanks Sonya Legends Printing Dodge City, KS _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kk1127 at mindspring.com Mon Apr 14 14:54:51 2008 From: kk1127 at mindspring.com (John Hughes) Date: Mon Apr 14 14:55:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Large Format References: <20080321193924.45F32E8C2A5@rb.enter.net><5E388DE7-6DF8-4CA9-8AAB-009C2D6DE947@zapcolor.com> Message-ID: <200804141854.m3EIsqkO014380@mail844.megamailservers.com> Prospect calls for quote on 500 11 x 17 Posters 2 sided. Calls back wanting quotes on 1,000 and 3000. Also find out that they will be posted in store windows Could this be done with UV inks on a wide format? Any one have a price? Thx. John Hughes Kwik Kopy Printing kk1127@mindspring.com From dominick at fmtc.com Mon Apr 14 15:22:26 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Mon Apr 14 15:22:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper Source In-Reply-To: <03e801c89e52$37d2d510$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com> <03e801c89e52$37d2d510$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <4803AEF2.1020606@fmtc.com> Another good source: http://www.proimagingsupplies.com/ Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Try www.itsupplies.com. > > Kelly Crom > Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 > Plymouth, MN 55441 > (763)231-6970 > kellycrom@gmail.com > www.applied-graphics.com > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Sonya Hughes >> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:35 AM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper Source >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> We have an Epson 7800 and every time we need to buy paper (it takes >> 24") have trouble finding the paper we bought the time before. We >> can, of course, buy it from Epson, but their prices are the >> highest - >> and we'd like to not have to pay them. Does anyone have a good >> source for Epson wide format papers? Someone they've bought >> consistently from? I would appreciate sharing their source, >> if they do. >> Thanks >> Sonya >> Legends Printing >> Dodge City, KS >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From craig at newhavenprint.com Mon Apr 14 15:53:55 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Mon Apr 14 15:49:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper Source In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080414194907.08BF4ED301D@rb.enter.net> We use Calumet Photo in Chicago and elsewhere (www.calumetphoto.com) Or B&H Photo in New Jersey. (www.bhphotovideo.com) B&H is one of the biggest photography suppliers in the US and their prices are hard to beat. We get all of our paper and ink cartridges from B&H unless we need it next day. Calumet is UPS ground next day for us - B&H is two days. Both keep everything in stock. Also, if you aren't already, stick with the 220ml cartridges instead of the 110. MUCH cheaper. Craig Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Sonya Hughes > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 12:35 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper Source > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > We have an Epson 7800 and every time we need to buy paper (it takes > 24") have trouble finding the paper we bought the time > before. We can, of course, buy it from Epson, but their > prices are the highest - and we'd like to not have to pay > them. Does anyone have a good source for Epson wide format > papers? Someone they've bought consistently from? I would > appreciate sharing their source, if they do. > Thanks > Sonya > Legends Printing > Dodge City, KS > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From k_graham at hotmail.com Mon Apr 14 15:56:49 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Mon Apr 14 15:57:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Large Format References: <20080321193924.45F32E8C2A5@rb.enter.net><5E388DE7-6DF8-4CA9-8AAB-009C2D6DE947@zapcolor.com> <200804141854.m3EIsqkO014380@mail844.megamailservers.com> Message-ID: Color Copy prints are very UV resistant ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hughes" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:54 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Large Format > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Prospect calls for quote on 500 11 x 17 Posters 2 sided. > > Calls back wanting quotes on 1,000 and 3000. > Also find out that they will be posted in store windows > > Could this be done with UV inks on a wide format? > Any one have a price? > > Thx. > > > John Hughes > Kwik Kopy Printing > kk1127@mindspring.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From sos at olympus.net Mon Apr 14 17:12:27 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Apr 14 17:12:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cutter, etc. References: <20080414194907.08BF4ED301D@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <051201c89e74$3e774d20$6900a8c0@DANIEL> The repair technician just left. The Challenge 305 cutter is back up and running. It needed a new moter. Old motor is shot. The new motor is a more powerful motor and the back guage is moving much faster than it used to, still slowing down to the proper speed and not hunting for the dimension at all. So, better than ever. That's one thing fixed. I broke the platemaker over the weekend however. Snapped off the little tube that controls the activator level. New one is ordered. That should be an easy fix. My part time pressman, left in frustration this weekend. He just couldn't get 70 lb Offset to go from one end of the GTO to the other. We've had a number of jobs lately speced on that 70 lb offset. I managed to print 10,000 4/4 newsletters last week, but it took forever, miss fed, double fed, missed, doubled. Fed perfectly for 1,000 sheets then suddenly, wouldn't feed at all. Does anyone know the secret of running offset opaque paper on the GTO with a sheet feeder. Streamfeeders need not reply. Do you have to install rubber suckers or something? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From brianoday at eprint.us Mon Apr 14 17:34:46 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Mon Apr 14 17:37:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ripit 400 Speedsetter In-Reply-To: <001a01c89e36$795ab730$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> References: <20080411202325.B5144ECC7B3@rb.enter.net> <001a01c89e36$795ab730$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> Message-ID: <008001c89e77$5c463160$800101df@eprint.local> Years ago I was working with Rip It their sales manager at the time gave me tha name of the spinner repair shop they use. I had my Spinner removed and shipped over the weekend out Thursday back in Monday it cost around $700 and worked fantastic. Here is the contact info. After talking the repair guy who's name I don't have he was working out of his house and had all of the equipment he needed. His contact info is Spinner repair DL Tech Services 19 mitchel St Merrimack, NH 03054 (603) 424-4441 Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ray Sziber Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:50 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Ripit 400 Speedsetter ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thanks to this list, I found a local repair guy. Our "spinner motor" is about to die in the Ripit imager, and we were trying to avoid getting a loaner and shipping 2 ways to the West Coast. Brooks Office Equipment (856-857-0464) sells and services Ripits. He is located in Voorhees, NJ. A reconditioned motor will cost about $2300 plus $175.00/hour labor. Thanks again to those who helped me. If anyone has further input, especially about Brooks, please share or e-mail me offlist. Ray Sziber Capitol Copy Service NAQP NAPL 116 West State Street Trenton NJ 08608 Ph 609-989-8776 Fx609-989-9570 www.Capitol-Copy.com Now Offering Large Format Printing! verkin tala _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From brianoday at eprint.us Mon Apr 14 17:36:16 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Mon Apr 14 17:39:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Large Format In-Reply-To: <200804141854.m3EIsqkO014380@mail844.megamailservers.com> References: <20080321193924.45F32E8C2A5@rb.enter.net><5E388DE7-6DF8-4CA9-8AAB-009C2D6DE947@zapcolor.com> <200804141854.m3EIsqkO014380@mail844.megamailservers.com> Message-ID: <008101c89e77$9232d1c0$800101df@eprint.local> John Sounds like color copies or 4 color! Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Hughes Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:55 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Large Format ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Prospect calls for quote on 500 11 x 17 Posters 2 sided. Calls back wanting quotes on 1,000 and 3000. Also find out that they will be posted in store windows Could this be done with UV inks on a wide format? Any one have a price? Thx. John Hughes Kwik Kopy Printing kk1127@mindspring.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From slb at inkspot.net Mon Apr 14 17:47:52 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Apr 14 17:48:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cutter, etc. In-Reply-To: <051201c89e74$3e774d20$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <20080414194907.08BF4ED301D@rb.enter.net>, <051201c89e74$3e774d20$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <480398C8.12702.31C09FA5@slb.inkspot.net> I've never run (or owned) a GTO, but, to the extent that it's the same feeder as on a KORD, I might be able to help. Feel free to call if you think it might be useful. Steve > > The repair technician just left. The Challenge 305 cutter is back up and > running. It needed a new moter. Old motor is shot. The new motor is a > more powerful motor and the back guage is moving much faster than it used > to, still slowing down to the proper speed and not hunting for the dimension > at all. So, better than ever. > > That's one thing fixed. > I broke the platemaker over the weekend however. > Snapped off the little tube that controls the activator level. > New one is ordered. That should be an easy fix. > > My part time pressman, left in frustration this weekend. He just couldn't > get 70 lb Offset to go from one end of the GTO to the other. We've had a > number of jobs lately speced on that 70 lb offset. I managed to print > 10,000 4/4 newsletters last week, but it took forever, miss fed, double fed, > missed, doubled. Fed perfectly for 1,000 sheets then suddenly, wouldn't > feed at all. > > Does anyone know the secret of running offset opaque paper on the GTO with a > sheet feeder. Streamfeeders need not reply. > Do you have to install rubber suckers or something? > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3026 (20080414) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From brianoday at eprint.us Mon Apr 14 17:49:03 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Mon Apr 14 17:51:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper Source In-Reply-To: References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <008301c89e79$5b459f60$800101df@eprint.local> MTM in Portland Oregon. Nice folks been in the business for 10 years I know of. Call Mark at (503) 612-0565 Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Sonya Hughes Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 9:35 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper Source ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have an Epson 7800 and every time we need to buy paper (it takes 24") have trouble finding the paper we bought the time before. We can, of course, buy it from Epson, but their prices are the highest - and we'd like to not have to pay them. Does anyone have a good source for Epson wide format papers? Someone they've bought consistently from? I would appreciate sharing their source, if they do. Thanks Sonya Legends Printing Dodge City, KS _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From arvadaprintery2 at qwestoffice.net Mon Apr 14 18:19:57 2008 From: arvadaprintery2 at qwestoffice.net (Keith Herron) Date: Mon Apr 14 18:20:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Duplo DC-645 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <579D43DE-A68D-4EF1-BDBA-18CED5045DE3@qwestoffice.net> Borzou, There is a fair bit of info on this in the archives. We got a DC-615 last year and love it. Check this: http://www.duplousa.com/ Thanks, Keith Herron The Printery, Inc. 5735 Independence St. Arvada, CO 80002 303-422-5033 arvadaprintery2@qwestoffice.net On Apr 13, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > This is supposed to be a slitter/cutter/creaser. I know morgana > kind of > has a lock on the creasing market right now, but had anyone heard > anything > on this? > > Regards, > > Borzou > > > www.falconprintandcopy.com > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon Apr 14 19:02:02 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Mon Apr 14 19:02:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM5500 In-Reply-To: <008301c89e79$5b459f60$800101df@eprint.local> References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com> <008301c89e79$5b459f60$800101df@eprint.local> Message-ID: <013601c89e83$8d730950$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Well Charlene, I can now say "Yes", we are up and running, but after running office copiers for so long it has been a steep learning curve tying to learn a production machine, but I can finally say that we LOVE it The people that are training me have never seen one either so we are all learning together. We had the darndest time trying to get the color right, but my IE guy came out last night and installed a new print driver and it looks great today. Still some more tweaking to do, but I think I am almost there!!! Thanks for everything!!! I got my books from NAQP and will read them when I get time and since this thing is running so well it looks like things are going to be much better and I will have more time to do other things and learn more of the programs and have already found more business, etc. Thanks again, Cora. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Fax: 316-854-0321 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From brianoday at eprint.us Mon Apr 14 19:59:29 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Mon Apr 14 20:02:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Plastic Coil In-Reply-To: <000001c89c10$c67204b0$53560e10$@com> References: <002c01c89bf3$656bf030$0a01a8c0@dahlquistprinting.local><47ffa648.050cc00a.5246.ffff8e14@mx.google.com><007001c89c09$75bda260$6401a8c0@corapurvine> <000001c89c10$c67204b0$53560e10$@com> Message-ID: <001001c89e8b$94122900$800101df@eprint.local> We have a docupunch we purchased from James Burns international. We have had it at least 2 years. It runs all day and we have had one repair problem with it. No parts our operator overfeed it and all we needed to do was get it retimed. Great machine will punch at least 5000 sheets per hour and does not need to be watched. If you purchase it make sure you get oval dies. Cost in excess of $20,000 but well worth it if you do a lot of punching. Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tom King Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 1:15 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Plastic Coil ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have the Rhino Tuff and it works fine, but fulfilling an order for 1,000 or 2,000 coil bound books can be a rather daunting experience. Does anyone have any experience with more automated coil binding equipment? Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From awbunny at earthlink.net Tue Apr 15 02:25:01 2008 From: awbunny at earthlink.net (Amy Watson) Date: Tue Apr 15 02:31:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cutter, etc. In-Reply-To: <051201c89e74$3e774d20$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <20080414194907.08BF4ED301D@rb.enter.net> <051201c89e74$3e774d20$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <33459DCA-D042-4DBB-8278-FC26508DA9BE@earthlink.net> Dan, We run 60 and 70 # on most of our jobs. I run 5 fingers in the middle (if I run at the ends sometimes it catches the corners) - 5 to 7 on the table height depending on the curl - blowers all the up and uncovered - blower angle at 2 1/2 - and the back blower on. I usually jog the paper in a paper jogger as well, to set the register side and also to loosen them up if the cutter is dull. I'm self taught on the GTO so this might be backwards but I may get 1 or doubles or misses on a regular day. I found running the feeder kinda loose like this and then controlling it on the register board helps as our paper gets weirder and more unstable. I bought the suckers but have never used them. I make sure the curl matches through out the stack as well. Curl up is hardest. The finger angle seems to be the key for me with this set up.As the pile changes you can hear it and bounce it back or forth just a quarter degree if it misses or doubles. Good luck. Sometimes I cry a little when it doesn't feed. That helps. Richard Northam 1984 PRINTING 674 23rd Street Oakland, CA 94612 510.551.7209 richard@1984printing.com www.1984printing.com On Apr 14, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The repair technician just left. The Challenge 305 cutter is back > up and running. It needed a new moter. Old motor is shot. The new > motor is a more powerful motor and the back guage is moving much > faster than it used to, still slowing down to the proper speed and > not hunting for the dimension at all. So, better than ever. > > That's one thing fixed. > I broke the platemaker over the weekend however. > Snapped off the little tube that controls the activator level. > New one is ordered. That should be an easy fix. > > My part time pressman, left in frustration this weekend. He just > couldn't get 70 lb Offset to go from one end of the GTO to the > other. We've had a number of jobs lately speced on that 70 lb > offset. I managed to print 10,000 4/4 newsletters last week, but it > took forever, miss fed, double fed, missed, doubled. Fed perfectly > for 1,000 sheets then suddenly, wouldn't feed at all. > > Does anyone know the secret of running offset opaque paper on the > GTO with a sheet feeder. Streamfeeders need not reply. > Do you have to install rubber suckers or something? > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From swiftyprinting at mac.com Tue Apr 15 07:28:41 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Tue Apr 15 07:30:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Duplo DC-645 In-Reply-To: <579D43DE-A68D-4EF1-BDBA-18CED5045DE3@qwestoffice.net> References: <579D43DE-A68D-4EF1-BDBA-18CED5045DE3@qwestoffice.net> Message-ID: On Apr 14, 2008, at 6:19 PM, Keith Herron wrote: >> This is supposed to be a slitter/cutter/creaser. I know morgana >> kind of >> has a lock on the creasing market right now, but had anyone heard >> anything >> on this? Unlike the Morgana there are no "micro" switches to bad. We bought one and it has been one of the best bindery machines I have purchased. Fully automated, the crease works great, the micro perf is almost invisible. It is a great addition to any shop running multiple types of jobs needing scoring, slitting or perfing. Once you have created your programs, it is just walk up, press the button and go. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From swiftyprinting at mac.com Tue Apr 15 07:59:15 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Tue Apr 15 07:59:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mac clones Message-ID: <864F8DDD-3BD4-4D29-A12E-76B688598577@mac.com> it appears that psystar is back up and running today. They offering Mac Alternatives at a reasonable cost. Buyer beware that you will be in violation of Apple's License agreement, and I am sure that the next software update Apple will add something to block installation. But..those who are brave, you may want to take a look. Just remember this is being created via "open computing" so it is not for the novice. http://www.psystar.com/shop/openmac.html Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From ron at printingconcepts.com Tue Apr 15 08:25:25 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Tue Apr 15 08:25:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Plastic coil & punching Message-ID: Watch out for the GBC automatic punches. I know a few people who bought these brand new and hated them. I think their designation was something like "AP2", ETC. I also know most people weren't crazy about their Sickinger punches, although for a certain range of work they worked OK. We purchased a Lhermite and it is fantastic, however, you are looking at $62,000. Once you get into the automatic world, your punch dies start costing serious money. Dies for our Lhermite are $3800-4200. So if you are buying used, strongly consider the value of the dies coming with the machine. Also consider that they could be worn out. Unfortunately, I think we are already seeing machines built overseas are increasing in price due to the slide of the dollar. I priced a machine from Renz a couple years ago and it was $32K. At the On Demand show the price was up to $40K. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From tammie at macombprinter.com Tue Apr 15 09:24:25 2008 From: tammie at macombprinter.com (Tammie at Quick Print & Signs) Date: Tue Apr 15 10:20:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar In-Reply-To: <864F8DDD-3BD4-4D29-A12E-76B688598577@mac.com> Message-ID: All day long, I hear my counter person/graphic designer ask customers, "When do you need this by?" She is VERY good with customers and they all like her very much. Should I say something to her about the way she ends this sentence, or let it go? I usually have to hear it about 10 times a day and I cringe every time. We are in a pretty rural area, but we have a lot of university types around here because of Western Illinois University also. Thanks, Tammie Tammie Speer, owner **************** Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ______________________________ QUICK PRINT & SIGNS 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com/ A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ Or call for a FREE CD full of information. ______________________________ From tracey at targetcopy.com Tue Apr 15 10:36:42 2008 From: tracey at targetcopy.com (Tracey Cohen) Date: Tue Apr 15 10:37:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar In-Reply-To: References: <864F8DDD-3BD4-4D29-A12E-76B688598577@mac.com> Message-ID: <001a01c89f06$23f75110$6be5f330$@com> Hey Tammie - We're in a University setting, and I'm also a stickler for grammar, so I can totally understand your frustration. But I think I'd let this one go. Unfortunately, ending sentences in prepositions has become more and more a part of everyday American language. I doubt any of your customers really give it much thought. It's probably not worth potentially deflating that great customer service spirit of hers to correct her on something like that. Come on down to the South, the land of double negatives - you ain't never heard nothing like it. I bite my tongue everyday. Tracey G. Cohen Target Copy 850.224.3007 850.224.5014 fax 635 West Tennessee Street Tallahassee, Fl 32304 tracey@targetcopy.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tammie at Quick Print & Signs Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:24 AM To: Printowners List Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** All day long, I hear my counter person/graphic designer ask customers, "When do you need this by?" She is VERY good with customers and they all like her very much. Should I say something to her about the way she ends this sentence, or let it go? I usually have to hear it about 10 times a day and I cringe every time. We are in a pretty rural area, but we have a lot of university types around here because of Western Illinois University also. Thanks, Tammie Tammie Speer, owner **************** Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ______________________________ QUICK PRINT & SIGNS 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com/ A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ Or call for a FREE CD full of information. ______________________________ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From info at desktopsxm.com Tue Apr 15 10:42:29 2008 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Tue Apr 15 10:40:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68B2206C-15B9-4EC8-9497-104CC1767D9A@desktopsxm.com> I would dsay to her once only "Why don't you rather say ....................... It sounds better" With that I would leave it and if it does not work I would let it be. She is getting the meaning across and that is the main thing. To me, that is minor and you cannot beleive what we have to put up with down here inthe Caribbean. i.e. " I go come back" which means "I am going but I will be coming back" and many more. So to me, your problem is not serious and I would focus on more serious issues. Just my 2c Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten Tel 542-4044 fax 543-1100 "The Printshop with a Difference" On Apr 15, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Tammie at Quick Print & Signs wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > All day long, I hear my counter person/graphic designer ask > customers, "When > do you need this by?" > > She is VERY good with customers and they all like her very much. > Should I > say something to her about the way she ends this sentence, or let > it go? > > I usually have to hear it about 10 times a day and I cringe every > time. We > are in a pretty rural area, but we have a lot of university types > around > here because of Western Illinois University also. > > Thanks, > Tammie > > > Tammie Speer, owner > **************** > Tammie@MacombPrinter.com > ______________________________ > QUICK PRINT & SIGNS > 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax > 833.3123 > http://www.macombprinter.com/ > > A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! > Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? > http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ > Or call for a FREE CD full of information. > ______________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From jgross at techiowa.com Tue Apr 15 10:40:29 2008 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Tue Apr 15 10:40:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003d01c89f06$aa3158c0$1e00000a@tech.local> I grit my teeth on those just as I do when our repro guy works in a hoodie and a cap. Now, with my boy scouts however, they learn not to wear caps when inside a building, even though some of my leaders (those with large foreheads) don't take off their caps inside. With adults, we can only teach by example I'm afraid. Note new email address: jagross@techiowa.com John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc Iowa City, Iowa 52240 techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tammie at Quick Print & Signs Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:24 AM To: Printowners List Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** All day long, I hear my counter person/graphic designer ask customers, "When do you need this by?" She is VERY good with customers and they all like her very much. Should I say something to her about the way she ends this sentence, or let it go? I usually have to hear it about 10 times a day and I cringe every time. We are in a pretty rural area, but we have a lot of university types around here because of Western Illinois University also. Thanks, Tammie Tammie Speer, owner **************** Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ______________________________ QUICK PRINT & SIGNS 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com/ A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ Or call for a FREE CD full of information. ______________________________ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jgross at techiowa.com Tue Apr 15 10:43:24 2008 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Tue Apr 15 10:43:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar In-Reply-To: <001a01c89f06$23f75110$6be5f330$@com> Message-ID: <003e01c89f07$139d1bf0$1e00000a@tech.local> Tracey, I read an interesting discussion of double negatives in many other languages. We don't have a similar rule on double positives - yeah, right! Note new email address: jagross@techiowa.com John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc Iowa City, Iowa 52240 techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tracey Cohen Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:37 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hey Tammie - We're in a University setting, and I'm also a stickler for grammar, so I can totally understand your frustration. But I think I'd let this one go. Unfortunately, ending sentences in prepositions has become more and more a part of everyday American language. I doubt any of your customers really give it much thought. It's probably not worth potentially deflating that great customer service spirit of hers to correct her on something like that. Come on down to the South, the land of double negatives - you ain't never heard nothing like it. I bite my tongue everyday. Tracey G. Cohen Target Copy 850.224.3007 850.224.5014 fax 635 West Tennessee Street Tallahassee, Fl 32304 tracey@targetcopy.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tammie at Quick Print & Signs Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:24 AM To: Printowners List Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** All day long, I hear my counter person/graphic designer ask customers, "When do you need this by?" She is VERY good with customers and they all like her very much. Should I say something to her about the way she ends this sentence, or let it go? I usually have to hear it about 10 times a day and I cringe every time. We are in a pretty rural area, but we have a lot of university types around here because of Western Illinois University also. Thanks, Tammie Tammie Speer, owner **************** Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ______________________________ QUICK PRINT & SIGNS 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com/ A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ Or call for a FREE CD full of information. ______________________________ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jodib at blackfoot.net Tue Apr 15 10:50:21 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Tue Apr 15 10:50:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar References: Message-ID: <001d01c89f08$0791f5a0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> Maybe a more helpful way to look at this is that at least she is asking the customer when their job is needed, enabling the customers deadline to be met. Sometimes in the business of our day, we can forget to find out that most important piece of information, because invariably the customer does not normally tell us! Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tammie at Quick Print & Signs" To: "Printowners List" Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:24 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > All day long, I hear my counter person/graphic designer ask customers, > "When > do you need this by?" > > She is VERY good with customers and they all like her very much. Should I > say something to her about the way she ends this sentence, or let it go? > > I usually have to hear it about 10 times a day and I cringe every time. We > are in a pretty rural area, but we have a lot of university types around > here because of Western Illinois University also. > > Thanks, > Tammie > > > Tammie Speer, owner > **************** > Tammie@MacombPrinter.com > ______________________________ > QUICK PRINT & SIGNS > 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 > http://www.macombprinter.com/ > > A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! > Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? > http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ > Or call for a FREE CD full of information. > ______________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From Minmandon at aol.com Tue Apr 15 11:09:26 2008 From: Minmandon at aol.com (Minmandon@aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 15 11:09:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar Message-ID: In a message dated 4/15/2008 10:43:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jgross@techiowa.com writes: with my boy scouts however, they learn not to wear caps when inside a building, even though some of my leaders (those with large foreheads) don't take off their caps inside. Reminds me of a Marine Corps club I used to frequent many years ago. Over the bar was a sign that read "He who enters covered here buys the bar a round of cheer." Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield 954 421-9904 **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) From slb at inkspot.net Tue Apr 15 11:17:55 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Apr 15 11:18:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar In-Reply-To: References: <864F8DDD-3BD4-4D29-A12E-76B688598577@mac.com>, Message-ID: <48048EE3.21523.3581F92B@slb.inkspot.net> As the resident grammarian here, I try to set a good example. There are some "Pennsylvania Dutch-isms" regularly used by one employee that grate a bit. Since I don't think correcting them would result in a net improvement here, I refrain from doing so. You might be amused by the story of a boy whose aunt was visiting from Australia. At bedtime, he asked her to read him a story from one of the books she "came up from down under with." I'd also rather see an employee ending a sentence with a preposition, than ending a sentence with a proposition.... Steve > > All day long, I hear my counter person/graphic designer ask customers, "When > do you need this by?" > > She is VERY good with customers and they all like her very much. Should I > say something to her about the way she ends this sentence, or let it go? > > I usually have to hear it about 10 times a day and I cringe every time. We > are in a pretty rural area, but we have a lot of university types around > here because of Western Illinois University also. > > Thanks, > Tammie > > > Tammie Speer, owner > **************** > Tammie@MacombPrinter.com > ______________________________ > QUICK PRINT & SIGNS > 1120 East Jackson Street EUR Macomb, IL 61455 EUR 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 > http://www.macombprinter.com/ > > A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! > Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? > http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ > Or call for a FREE CD full of information. > ______________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3027 (20080415) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From slb at inkspot.net Tue Apr 15 11:20:11 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Apr 15 11:20:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar In-Reply-To: <003d01c89f06$aa3158c0$1e00000a@tech.local> References: , <003d01c89f06$aa3158c0$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <48048F6B.25616.35840D9D@slb.inkspot.net> At our council's camps, it's traditional that anyone wearing a cap in the dining hall is asked to stand up on a bench and sing the "teapot" song. It's rare that anyone commits a second offense. Steve > > I grit my teeth on those just as I do when our repro guy works in a hoodie > and a cap. Now, with my boy scouts however, they learn not to wear caps > when inside a building, even though some of my leaders (those with large > foreheads) don't take off their caps inside. > > With adults, we can only teach by example I'm afraid. > > Note new email address: jagross@techiowa.com > > John A. Gross > Technigraphics, Inc > Iowa City, Iowa 52240 > techiowa.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tammie at Quick Print > & Signs > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:24 AM > To: Printowners List > Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > All day long, I hear my counter person/graphic designer ask customers, "When > do you need this by?" > > She is VERY good with customers and they all like her very much. Should I > say something to her about the way she ends this sentence, or let it go? > > I usually have to hear it about 10 times a day and I cringe every time. We > are in a pretty rural area, but we have a lot of university types around > here because of Western Illinois University also. > > Thanks, > Tammie > > > Tammie Speer, owner > **************** > Tammie@MacombPrinter.com > ______________________________ > QUICK PRINT & SIGNS > 1120 East Jackson Street EUR Macomb, IL 61455 EUR 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 > http://www.macombprinter.com/ > > A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! > Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? > http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ > Or call for a FREE CD full of information. > ______________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3027 (20080415) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com Tue Apr 15 11:20:10 2008 From: s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com (Sonya Hughes) Date: Tue Apr 15 11:23:51 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper Source In-Reply-To: <84f70d5e0804141105s507ae620o28c90f265a5148ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com> <03e801c89e52$37d2d510$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <84f70d5e0804141105s507ae620o28c90f265a5148ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <23204E21-38AE-495B-9F19-C01C8499CF85@legendsofdodgecity.com> Thank you to all who responded to me request for a wide format paper source ... you've given me many options! Thanks again! Sonya Legends Printing Dodge City,KS > From jgross at techiowa.com Tue Apr 15 11:26:52 2008 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Tue Apr 15 11:27:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar In-Reply-To: <48048EE3.21523.3581F92B@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <004101c89f0d$25758870$1e00000a@tech.local> My aunt, a WAC in WW2, on the way home in a British ship was shocked by the Cabin attendant who asked her at nighttime "what time she wanted to be knocked up" (awakened). She missed breakfast. Note new email address: jagross@techiowa.com John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc Iowa City, Iowa 52240 techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 10:18 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** As the resident grammarian here, I try to set a good example. There are some "Pennsylvania Dutch-isms" regularly used by one employee that grate a bit. Since I don't think correcting them would result in a net improvement here, I refrain from doing so. You might be amused by the story of a boy whose aunt was visiting from Australia. At bedtime, he asked her to read him a story from one of the books she "came up from down under with." I'd also rather see an employee ending a sentence with a preposition, than ending a sentence with a proposition.... Steve > > All day long, I hear my counter person/graphic designer ask customers, "When > do you need this by?" > > She is VERY good with customers and they all like her very much. Should I > say something to her about the way she ends this sentence, or let it go? > > I usually have to hear it about 10 times a day and I cringe every time. We > are in a pretty rural area, but we have a lot of university types around > here because of Western Illinois University also. > > Thanks, > Tammie > > > Tammie Speer, owner > **************** > Tammie@MacombPrinter.com > ______________________________ > QUICK PRINT & SIGNS > 1120 East Jackson Street EUR Macomb, IL 61455 EUR 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 > http://www.macombprinter.com/ > > A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! > Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? > http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ > Or call for a FREE CD full of information. > ______________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3027 (20080415) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Tue Apr 15 11:29:40 2008 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Tue Apr 15 11:29:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar In-Reply-To: <20080415144345.16FFBED5004@rb.enter.net> References: <20080415144345.16FFBED5004@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Alright, alot of persons can not follow the rule of grammer or spell corect eyeither! :- (We have to play by the same rules, or it would be akin to a game with you playing American football whilst I am playing rugby. Not a lot of people would say that's all right, and miscommunication would abound.) I would draw attention to her spoken misuse of grammar in a humorous way, but would not be at all forgiving when she is typesetting the written word. > All day long, I hear my counter person/graphic designer ask > customers, "When do you need this by?" > She is VERY good with customers and they all like her very much. > Should I say something to her about the way she ends this sentence, > or let it go? P.S. Heaven forbid that I've included an error in this post! Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Tue Apr 15 11:36:39 2008 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Tue Apr 15 11:36:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar In-Reply-To: <48048F6B.25616.35840D9D@slb.inkspot.net> References: , <003d01c89f06$aa3158c0$1e00000a@tech.local> <48048F6B.25616.35840D9D@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <4804CB87.3050502@satx.rr.com> Ours does "Singing in the Rain" and for you non-scouters it's not the version you are thinking of. Its a lot more fun. Assuming they can even make it that far without someone knocking the hat off. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Steve Blatman wrote: > At our council's camps, it's traditional that anyone wearing a cap in > the dining hall is asked to stand up on a bench and sing the "teapot" > song. It's rare that anyone commits a second offense. > > Steve > > > > From hal at pickimp.com Tue Apr 15 11:46:49 2008 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Tue Apr 15 11:43:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar References: <20080415144345.16FFBED5004@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <006c01c89f0f$ed7edfe0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> We have a Kroger here that actually has a sign that says "10 items or less" above one of the registers. Hal From sos at olympus.net Tue Apr 15 11:45:54 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Apr 15 11:46:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar References: Message-ID: <05d101c89f0f$ca6dd2e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tammie at Quick Print & Signs" All day long, I hear my counter person/graphic designer ask customers, "When do you need this by?" ============================= "By which date and time do you wish to receive this job?" Sounds a little weird to me. From someone who majored in communications and minored in English, I'd say, how the hell else would you say it. While it might not be technically grammatically perfect, it sounds ok to me. And remember spoken language is different than written language. My daughter has been watching a lot of Jane Austen movies lately, reading her complete works, and their language, which sounds awfully stilted and odd at first, does start sounding more normal, the more you hear it. That Mr. Darcy did indeed have lovely grammar. Also bear in mind, that even if you correct her, her speech habits are going to be pretty deeply ingrained and hard to break. I have one young gal whose grammar is not great. I've tried correcting her when she says "me and him" and stuff like that, but it's too late. You must teach them when they are children. They say it is almost impossible to learn to speak a foreign language without an accent after about 11 or 12. By then your brain is hard wired. Regretfully, your humble servant, Daniel D. Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From tufelkinder at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 11:54:43 2008 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Tue Apr 15 11:54:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar In-Reply-To: <05d101c89f0f$ca6dd2e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <05d101c89f0f$ca6dd2e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0804150854j213c6d30i3a80b3c0e7565190@mail.gmail.com> How about "When do you need this?" But I really don't have a problem with the trailing "by." Reminds me of an old joke. A freshman at Yale asked a sophomore, "Where's the library at?" The sophomore retorts, "At Yale, we don't end sentences with a preposition." The now-enlightened freshman asked instead, "Where's the library at, jackass?" Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ What color is a chameleon on a mirror? From copythatnyc at aol.com Tue Apr 15 11:57:22 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Tue Apr 15 11:58:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM5500 In-Reply-To: <013601c89e83$8d730950$6401a8c0@corapurvine> References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com> <008301c89e79$5b459f60$800101df@eprint.local> <013601c89e83$8d730950$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <8CA6D2886C1BAB3-9A0-9DA@mblk-d16.sysops.aol.com> Just wanted to say X-cellent!? Cora, production will be a lot easier for you. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Cora Purvine To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 7:02 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] KM5500 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Well Charlene, I can now say "Yes", we are up and running, but after running office copiers for so long it has been a steep learning curve tying to learn a production machine, but I can finally say that we LOVE it The people that are training me have never seen one either so we are all learning together. We had the darndest time trying to get the color right, but my IE guy came out last night and installed a new print driver and it looks great today. Still some more tweaking to do, but I think I am almost there!!! Thanks for everything!!! I got my books from NAQP and will read them when I get time and since this thing is running so well it looks like things are going to be much better and I will have more time to do other things and learn more of the programs and have already found more business, etc. Thanks again, Cora. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Fax: 316-854-0321 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Apr 15 12:01:47 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Apr 15 12:01:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mac clones In-Reply-To: <864F8DDD-3BD4-4D29-A12E-76B688598577@mac.com> References: <864F8DDD-3BD4-4D29-A12E-76B688598577@mac.com> Message-ID: <200804151601.m3FG1Q7w057228@i2bnetworks.com> Don't blink they may be gone if you do: http://tinyurl.com/3unfru that pesky EULA again..... So which side's the dark side? I forget... S. At 04:59 AM 4/15/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >it appears that psystar is back up and running today. They offering >Mac Alternatives at a reasonable cost. Buyer beware that you will be >in violation of Apple's License agreement, and I am sure that the next >software update Apple will add something to block installation. >But..those who are brave, you may want to take a look. Just remember >this is being created via "open computing" so it is not for the novice. > >http://www.psystar.com/shop/openmac.html > > > > >Chuck Pappas >Arlington Swifty Printing >1386 Massachusetts Avenue >Arlington, MA 02476 >781-646-8700 >www.arlingtonswifty.com >Member: National Association of Quick Printers >Print Industry of New England >GATF >Adobe Service Network >Quark Alliance >Microsoft Publisher Provider > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3027 (20080415) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 12:06:17 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Apr 15 12:06:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar In-Reply-To: References: <864F8DDD-3BD4-4D29-A12E-76B688598577@mac.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0804150906xd1d6e7fo1baa801f9b9b931f@mail.gmail.com> > All day long, I hear my counter person/graphic designer ask customers, "When > do you need this by?" > > Tammie Is your objection to the redundancy of the word "by," or is it that you would prefer the grammatically correct, but awkward in speech "By when do you need this?" -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ========================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Tue Apr 15 11:24:14 2008 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King) Date: Tue Apr 15 12:26:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar In-Reply-To: <48048EE3.21523.3581F92B@slb.inkspot.net> References: <864F8DDD-3BD4-4D29-A12E-76B688598577@mac.com> <48048EE3.21523.3581F92B@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <000301c89f0c$c357e340$4a07a9c0$@com> This is the sort of thing up with which I will not put. - Attributed to Winston Churchill (but maybe not) Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com Tue Apr 15 12:35:57 2008 From: sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com (Date-Line Digital Printing) Date: Tue Apr 15 12:39:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source for Cream / Ivory Pre-cut tabs Message-ID: <002801c89f16$ca1e9d40$5e5bd7c0$@com> Our current vender (Xerox) is no longer offering Cream / Ivory pre-cut tabs, and now we need to find an alternative vender for these. Is there a good on-line place to order these? Thanks in advance, Travis Lewis Date-Line Digital Printing Fairbanks, AK From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Tue Apr 15 13:02:13 2008 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Tue Apr 15 13:02:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source for Cream / Ivory Pre-cut tabs In-Reply-To: <002801c89f16$ca1e9d40$5e5bd7c0$@com> Message-ID: <003b01c89f1a$738dfb70$f901a8c0@MitchDell> I don't know if you have a trade binder in your area that does tab cutting but we send blank paper to our trade binder, have them tab cut and collate the stock. It works well for us when we have goofy paper requests on tabs. It's easier than trying to find a source on-line, and is about the same price as some of the pre-manufactured tab companies. If it's a regular job for you, it might even be less expensive going this route. FWIW Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Date-Line Digital Printing Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 11:36 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Source for Cream / Ivory Pre-cut tabs ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Our current vender (Xerox) is no longer offering Cream / Ivory pre-cut tabs, and now we need to find an alternative vender for these. Is there a good on-line place to order these? Thanks in advance, Travis Lewis Date-Line Digital Printing Fairbanks, AK _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 13:20:52 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue Apr 15 13:21:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] ID and barcodes? In-Reply-To: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com> References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620804151020u471f3649x862e32c9c45ac624@mail.gmail.com> Read here: http://bulkmail.info/barcode.html It describes in it pretty good detail. I bought a PostNet barcode font & check digit generator from the company that authored the above page for $25. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Robin said: > "How do you get indesign to create a postnet barcode when using data merge > for variable printing?" From dominick at fmtc.com Tue Apr 15 13:48:33 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Tue Apr 15 13:48:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source for Cream / Ivory Pre-cut tabs In-Reply-To: <002801c89f16$ca1e9d40$5e5bd7c0$@com> References: <002801c89f16$ca1e9d40$5e5bd7c0$@com> Message-ID: <4804EA71.7000202@fmtc.com> Travis, We do these in house, daily. We have the tab cutting and tab laminating machine, as we have a good customer base for them. We stock 110# Index in Green Ivory Gray and Blue. Is there any way I can help? Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! Date-Line Digital Printing wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Our current vender (Xerox) is no longer offering Cream / Ivory pre-cut tabs, > and now we need to find an alternative vender for these. Is there a good > on-line place to order these? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Travis Lewis > > Date-Line Digital Printing > > Fairbanks, AK > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From tammie at macombprinter.com Tue Apr 15 13:50:21 2008 From: tammie at macombprinter.com (Tammie at Quick Print & Signs) Date: Tue Apr 15 13:51:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0804150906xd1d6e7fo1baa801f9b9b931f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "When do you need this?" would be fine with me. I know I'm being picky here, but I can't believe some of the things that come out of mouths today. Recently, I have discovered that the word "height", ends with a "th". Has anyone else noticed this? I hear it all the time. "The heighth is 6' tall." Tammie Tammie Speer, owner **************** Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ______________________________ QUICK PRINT & SIGNS 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com/ A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ Or call for a FREE CD full of information. ______________________________ Michael Vogel stated on 4/15/08 11:06 AM from mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> All day long, I hear my counter person/graphic designer ask customers, "When >> do you need this by?" >> >> Tammie > > > Is your objection to the redundancy of the word "by," or is it that > you would prefer the grammatically correct, but awkward in speech "By > when do you need this?" > From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue Apr 15 15:47:26 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Tue Apr 15 15:47:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM5500 In-Reply-To: <8CA6D2886C1BAB3-9A0-9DA@mblk-d16.sysops.aol.com> References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com> <008301c89e79$5b459f60$800101df@eprint.local><013601c89e83$8d730950$6401a8c0@corapurvine> <8CA6D2886C1BAB3-9A0-9DA@mblk-d16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000601c89f31$88598080$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Thanks Tommy I just printed my first newsletter (6500) and because I accidentally inserted the wrong page....I have to do it all over....: ( My fault, but thank goodness I am doing it on this machine instead of my old one because my costs are half what they were so I will still make a profit, just not as much....: ( Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Fax: 316-854-0321 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 10:57 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] KM5500 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Just wanted to say X-cellent!? Cora, production will be a lot easier for you. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Cora Purvine To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 7:02 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] KM5500 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Well Charlene, I can now say "Yes", we are up and running, but after running office copiers for so long it has been a steep learning curve tying to learn a production machine, but I can finally say that we LOVE it The people that are training me have never seen one either so we are all learning together. We had the darndest time trying to get the color right, but my IE guy came out last night and installed a new print driver and it looks great today. Still some more tweaking to do, but I think I am almost there!!! Thanks for everything!!! I got my books from NAQP and will read them when I get time and since this thing is running so well it looks like things are going to be much better and I will have more time to do other things and learn more of the programs and have already found more business, etc. Thanks again, Cora. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Fax: 316-854-0321 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3028 (20080415) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 15:53:21 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Apr 15 15:53:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar In-Reply-To: References: <98f5b19a0804150906xd1d6e7fo1baa801f9b9b931f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0804151253s2d81203xdd6274015b4b682f@mail.gmail.com> > Recently, I have discovered that the word > "height", ends with a "th". Has anyone else noticed this? I hear it all the > time. "The heighth is 6' tall." Heard even more often than that, the most common affront to my ear is "...is, is that..." as in: "The thing is, is that it?s the lyrics that are perfect." "But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that..." "because the truth is is that these traditions that are passed on..." "but the danger is, is that they work in concert." "The danger is, is that al-Qaeda becomes an extension of Saddam's madness ... "...what I've tried to say all along, and that is, is that this is really a national security issue." If one is bothered by this, the problem is is that you'll be so irked at least once a day. Otherwise well-spoken, educated people -- and politicians -- are common culprits. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From prtquick at eos.net Tue Apr 15 16:17:54 2008 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Tue Apr 15 16:14:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Word Docx files In-Reply-To: <4804EA71.7000202@fmtc.com> References: <002801c89f16$ca1e9d40$5e5bd7c0$@com> <4804EA71.7000202@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <2649FCD2-E26F-449D-8D21-DBA11F90B0AF@eos.net> I used to be able to import many Word .doc files directly into our Quark documents, or open them in Neo-office Is there a 'trick' to handling (importing) .docx files besides the obvious next step of getting a PC running the new Word in Vista? My typesetter is seeing more of these. 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Printing From stumarty at wrightprinting.com Tue Apr 15 16:16:11 2008 From: stumarty at wrightprinting.com (Stu) Date: Tue Apr 15 16:16:23 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On or about 8:24 AM -0500 4/15/08, Tammie at Quick Print & Signs emailed the following: >All day long, I hear my counter person/graphic designer ask customers, "When >do you need this by?" Despite what some of our English teachers told us, there is no hard rule against ending a sentence with a proposition. Even the highest level editors and grammarians are unable to agree on it. The original ruling goes back to ancient Latin, and has no logical reason to be used in English. Those pesky but necessary prepositions usually provide us some sort of reference to location (or time). In my opinion they often do work well at the end. Adding the necessary "whoms" or "with whichs" can often make the sentence sound a little clumsy and awkward -- especially in everyday conversation. End it with a with. -just old stu- -- =============== SETTING IT WRIGHT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I wondered why the NEO was getting bigger. Then it hit me. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com From si at ria.net Tue Apr 15 16:22:44 2008 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Tue Apr 15 16:25:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Word Docx files In-Reply-To: <2649FCD2-E26F-449D-8D21-DBA11F90B0AF@eos.net> References: <002801c89f16$ca1e9d40$5e5bd7c0$@com> <4804EA71.7000202@fmtc.com> <2649FCD2-E26F-449D-8D21-DBA11F90B0AF@eos.net> Message-ID: <20080415131840.52F5CCAB@sj1-dm101.mta.everyone.net> At 04:17 PM 4/15/2008, Scott Finke wrote: >Is there a 'trick' to handling (importing) .docx files besides the >obvious next step of getting a PC running the new Word in Vista? Download the MS Compatability pack and save the .docx file as a .doc file. http://tinyurl.com/3xr4tt Doug Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From slb at inkspot.net Tue Apr 15 16:33:34 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Apr 15 16:34:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar In-Reply-To: <006c01c89f0f$ed7edfe0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> References: <20080415144345.16FFBED5004@rb.enter.net>, <006c01c89f0f$ed7edfe0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4804D8DE.28181.36A2F5A6@slb.inkspot.net> Yeah, I've asked for the "resident grammarian" at a number of supermarkets for that one. In our area, the Giant markets get it right, but most of the rest don't. Of course, I'm also the one who takes a gallon of milk to the register, and asks, "It says 'Giant Milk' on the label. Should I be worried about what's inside?" Steve > > We have a Kroger here that actually has a sign that says "10 items or less" above one of the registers. > > > Hal > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3028 (20080415) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From kellycrom at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 16:34:20 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Tue Apr 15 16:34:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Word Docx files In-Reply-To: <20080415131840.52F5CCAB@sj1-dm101.mta.everyone.net> References: <002801c89f16$ca1e9d40$5e5bd7c0$@com> <4804EA71.7000202@fmtc.com><2649FCD2-E26F-449D-8D21-DBA11F90B0AF@eos.net> <20080415131840.52F5CCAB@sj1-dm101.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <006c01c89f38$16c9d490$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Another trick I recently found is when I was having problems opening files that were saved in the new Word for Mac, which wouldn't open with the MS Compatability pack installed... If you change the file extension from .docx to .zip, and then unzip the file, voila! you now have a .doc file that will open in Word 2003! Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Doug Shelton > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 3:23 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Word Docx files > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > At 04:17 PM 4/15/2008, Scott Finke wrote: > > >Is there a 'trick' to handling (importing) .docx files besides the > >obvious next step of getting a PC running the new Word in Vista? > > Download the MS Compatability pack and save the .docx file as a > .doc file. > > http://tinyurl.com/3xr4tt > > Doug > > Doug Shelton > Superior Impressions, Inc. > Toledo, Ohio > mailto:si@ria.net > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From char at themasterspress.com Tue Apr 15 16:38:08 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue Apr 15 16:38:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM5500 In-Reply-To: <013601c89e83$8d730950$6401a8c0@corapurvine> References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com><008301c89e79$5b459f60$800101df@eprint.local> <013601c89e83$8d730950$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <00cb01c89f38$9d2ff550$0b01a8c0@CharXP> That is exciting news Cora. I know you will be able to do more production than you ever thought possible. Hope it makes you lots of money. Keep it running. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Purvine Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:02 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] KM5500 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Well Charlene, I can now say "Yes", we are up and running, but after running office copiers for so long it has been a steep learning curve tying to learn a production machine, but I can finally say that we LOVE it The people that are training me have never seen one either so we are all learning together. We had the darndest time trying to get the color right, but my IE guy came out last night and installed a new print driver and it looks great today. Still some more tweaking to do, but I think I am almost there!!! Thanks for everything!!! I got my books from NAQP and will read them when I get time and since this thing is running so well it looks like things are going to be much better and I will have more time to do other things and learn more of the programs and have already found more business, etc. Thanks again, Cora. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Fax: 316-854-0321 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3026 (20080414) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3026 (20080414) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3029 (20080415) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3029 (20080415) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Tue Apr 15 16:43:10 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Tue Apr 15 16:43:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200804152043.m3FKhAZ1015640@mail97c0.megamailservers.com> When Winston Churchill was criticized for ending sentences with a preposition his reply was as follows: "This nonsense I will not put up with." Or something like that. Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Stu Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 4:16 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On or about 8:24 AM -0500 4/15/08, Tammie at Quick Print & Signs emailed the following: >All day long, I hear my counter person/graphic designer ask customers, "When >do you need this by?" Despite what some of our English teachers told us, there is no hard rule against ending a sentence with a proposition. Even the highest level editors and grammarians are unable to agree on it. The original ruling goes back to ancient Latin, and has no logical reason to be used in English. Those pesky but necessary prepositions usually provide us some sort of reference to location (or time). In my opinion they often do work well at the end. Adding the necessary "whoms" or "with whichs" can often make the sentence sound a little clumsy and awkward -- especially in everyday conversation. End it with a with. -just old stu- -- =============== SETTING IT WRIGHT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I wondered why the NEO was getting bigger. Then it hit me. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dvmonto at optonline.net Tue Apr 15 16:59:31 2008 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Tue Apr 15 16:59:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Word Docx files In-Reply-To: <2649FCD2-E26F-449D-8D21-DBA11F90B0AF@eos.net> Message-ID: If you have a Mac, TextEdit will open these files. -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net -- "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 On 4/15/08 4:17 PM, "Scott Finke" wrote: > I used to be able to import many Word .doc files directly into our > Quark documents, or open them in Neo-office > > Is there a 'trick' to handling (importing) .docx files besides the > obvious next step of getting a PC running the new Word in Vista? > > My typesetter is seeing more of these. > > > > > Scott Finke > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Visit our new location! > > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Phone: (513) 522.2679 > Fax (513) 522.2692 > Email: info@brentwood-printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > www.Brentwood-Printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Send us your file at: > http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Quick. Quality. Printing > > > > From stumarty at wrightprinting.com Tue Apr 15 17:10:17 2008 From: stumarty at wrightprinting.com (Stu) Date: Tue Apr 15 17:10:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar In-Reply-To: <200804152043.m3FKhAZ1015640@mail97c0.megamailservers.com> References: <200804152043.m3FKhAZ1015640@mail97c0.megamailservers.com> Message-ID: On or about 4:43 PM -0400 4/15/08, Gordon Watt emailed the following: >When Winston Churchill was criticized for ending sentences with a >preposition his reply was as follows: > >"This nonsense I will not put up with." And when he was once scolded by a lady for being drunk, he said something like, "Yes, I am drunk. And you my lady, are ugly. However, in the morning, I will wake up sober." I admire his speech. -just old stu- -- =============== SETTING IT WRIGHT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I wondered why the NEO was getting bigger. Then it hit me. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Tue Apr 15 17:17:36 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Tue Apr 15 17:17:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar In-Reply-To: References: <200804152043.m3FKhAZ1015640@mail97c0.megamailservers.com> Message-ID: <200804152117.m3FLHaW3005220@mail95c0.megamailservers.com> Also, and this doesn't have anything to do with anything, did you know he was part Iroquois Indian? -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Stu Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:10 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On or about 4:43 PM -0400 4/15/08, Gordon Watt emailed the following: >When Winston Churchill was criticized for ending sentences with a >preposition his reply was as follows: > >"This nonsense I will not put up with." And when he was once scolded by a lady for being drunk, he said something like, "Yes, I am drunk. And you my lady, are ugly. However, in the morning, I will wake up sober." I admire his speech. -just old stu- -- =============== SETTING IT WRIGHT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I wondered why the NEO was getting bigger. Then it hit me. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Tue Apr 15 19:43:50 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Apr 15 19:44:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar References: <200804152043.m3FKhAZ1015640@mail97c0.megamailservers.com> <200804152117.m3FLHaW3005220@mail95c0.megamailservers.com> Message-ID: <071001c89f52$8eaf58d0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Watt" > Also, and this doesn't have anything to do with anything, did you know he > was part Iroquois Indian? ============================ A descendant of the famous Spencer family,[1] Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill, like his father, used the surname Churchill in public life.[2] His ancestor George Spencer had changed his surname to Spencer-Churchill in 1817 when he became Duke of Marlborough, to highlight his descent from John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough. Winston's father, Lord Randolph Churchill, the third son of John Spencer-Churchill, 7th Duke of Marlborough, was a politician, while his mother, Lady Randolph Churchill (n?e Jennie Jerome) was the daughter of American millionaire Leonard Jerome. Churchill was born two months premature in a bedroom in Blenheim Palace in Woodstock, Oxfordshire on 30 November 1874.[3] He arrived eight months after his parents' hasty marriage,[4] and had one brother, John Strange Spencer-Churchill.Churchill had an independent and rebellious nature and generally did poorly in school, for which he was punished. If he has Iroquois Indian heritage, it would have to be from him mother Lady Randolph Churchill. Which would be interesting since his father's side of the family are British Blue Bloods for many hundreds of years. Wikipedia, had no reference to that, noting only that his (Leonard Jerome) ancestors had been Huguenots or Calvinists. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From newtone at cox.net Tue Apr 15 20:33:53 2008 From: newtone at cox.net (Newtone) Date: Tue Apr 15 20:33:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM 6500 and embossing In-Reply-To: <00cb01c89f38$9d2ff550$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: I have a customer wanting us to emboss a printed logo on business cards. Should I print these on my press or can we emboss the 6500 output. Will the toner crack, etc. I have absolutely no clue. Bob Newton Town & Country Printers, Inc. Santee, CA No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13 - Release Date: 4/12/2008 12:00 AM From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Apr 15 21:00:44 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Apr 15 21:00:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM 6500 and embossing In-Reply-To: References: <00cb01c89f38$9d2ff550$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <200804160100.m3G10OfB076636@i2bnetworks.com> If you're talking about an ink emboss, I would not. The toner will crack. Plus even if you could get the toner to behave (which it won't), the registration on the 6500 is excellent, for what it is, but its not a commercial press and will not hold dot for dot registration from sheet to sheet. So even tho the 6500 is a money maker, it does have its limits. S. At 05:33 PM 4/15/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I have a customer wanting us to emboss a printed logo on business cards. > >Should I print these on my press or can we emboss the 6500 output. Will the >toner crack, etc. > >I have absolutely no clue. > >Bob Newton >Town & Country Printers, Inc. >Santee, CA >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13 - Release Date: 4/12/2008 12:00 >AM > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3029 (20080415) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From char at themasterspress.com Tue Apr 15 22:28:01 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue Apr 15 22:27:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM 6500 and embossing In-Reply-To: <200804160100.m3G10OfB076636@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: Bob we have done die cutting and gotten pretty decent results (on a C500) but not sure I would even try the embossing. I would think the heat from the stamping of the embossing would flake the toner. And as good as the registration might be unless you have a lot or breathing room I would not trust the registration. Even on the die cutting there was some movement but on the times we have done it, that has not been critical. Charlene > > At 05:33 PM 4/15/2008, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I have a customer wanting us to emboss a printed logo on business cards. >> >> Should I print these on my press or can we emboss the 6500 output. Will the >> toner crack, etc. >> >> I have absolutely no clue. >> >> Bob Newton >> Town & Country Printers, Inc. >> Santee, CA >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13 - Release Date: 4/12/2008 12:00 >> AM >> Charlene Sims The Master?s Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 Fax 972-404-0317 Char@themasterspress.com From sgfinke at fuse.net Tue Apr 15 22:54:45 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Tue Apr 15 22:54:03 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar In-Reply-To: <071001c89f52$8eaf58d0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <200804152043.m3FKhAZ1015640@mail97c0.megamailservers.com> <200804152117.m3FLHaW3005220@mail95c0.megamailservers.com> <071001c89f52$8eaf58d0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <863DE93A-51F9-45D9-A4CE-F22BF4344C43@fuse.net> Lady Randolph Churchill was American, it was a big deal when she married English nobility. It was all the rage for American heiresses at the time, and she bagged a good one. I think she was one of the lucky ones who ended up happy. English noblemen generally married for money, and took their American wives back from the social seaons in London to their drafty ancestral homes to live for most of the year. The poor women were daughters of American millionaires and used to living in luxury, something lacking in the English nobility. They had land and OLD houses. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Apr 15, 2008, at 7:43 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gordon Watt" > >> Also, and this doesn't have anything to do with anything, did you >> know he >> was part Iroquois Indian? > ============================ > > A descendant of the famous Spencer family,[1] Winston Leonard > Spencer Churchill, like his father, used the surname Churchill in > public life.[2] His ancestor George Spencer had changed his surname > to Spencer-Churchill in 1817 when he became Duke of Marlborough, to > highlight his descent from John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough. > Winston's father, Lord Randolph Churchill, the third son of John > Spencer-Churchill, 7th Duke of Marlborough, was a politician, while > his mother, Lady Randolph Churchill (n?e Jennie Jerome) was the > daughter of American millionaire Leonard Jerome. Churchill was born > two months premature in a bedroom in Blenheim Palace in Woodstock, > Oxfordshire on 30 November 1874.[3] He arrived eight months after > his parents' hasty marriage,[4] and had one brother, John Strange > Spencer-Churchill.Churchill had an independent and rebellious > nature and generally did poorly in school, for which he was punished. > > If he has Iroquois Indian heritage, it would have to be from him > mother Lady Randolph Churchill. Which would be interesting since > his father's side of the family are British Blue Bloods for many > hundreds of years. Wikipedia, had no reference to that, noting only > that his (Leonard Jerome) ancestors had been Huguenots or Calvinists. > > > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From BeckyWh1 at aol.com Wed Apr 16 01:41:50 2008 From: BeckyWh1 at aol.com (BeckyWh1@aol.com) Date: Wed Apr 16 01:42:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar Message-ID: In a message dated 4/15/08 10:51:28 AM, tammie@macombprinter.com writes: > I know I'm being picky here, but I can't believe some of the things that > come out of mouths today. Recently, I have discovered that the word > "height", ends with a "th". Has anyone else noticed this? I hear it all the > time. "The heighth is 6' tall." > Oh hon, you are SOOOO in need of Vegas! See you in two weeks, I'll buy the first round! Becky ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) From BeckyWh1 at aol.com Wed Apr 16 01:42:53 2008 From: BeckyWh1 at aol.com (BeckyWh1@aol.com) Date: Wed Apr 16 01:42:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: OOPS! Message-ID: Ummmm....that was meant for Tammie personally. Sorry! Becky Whatley Quality Printing Riverside, CA ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Wed Apr 16 08:53:02 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Wed Apr 16 08:53:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar In-Reply-To: <071001c89f52$8eaf58d0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <200804152043.m3FKhAZ1015640@mail97c0.megamailservers.com><200804152117.m3FLHaW3005220@mail95c0.megamailservers.com> <071001c89f52$8eaf58d0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <200804161253.m3GCr2In014398@mail97c0.megamailservers.com> Thanks for bringing this to my attention. This is something I read in a biography. Since you cast doubt on it I just checked on the internet and discovered that this is indeed doubtful. I suppose they could really get to the bottom of it if they checked one of the Churchill's mitochondrial DNA. I'll have to stop telling that story now. Darn. Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:44 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Watt" > Also, and this doesn't have anything to do with anything, did you know he > was part Iroquois Indian? ============================ A descendant of the famous Spencer family,[1] Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill, like his father, used the surname Churchill in public life.[2] His ancestor George Spencer had changed his surname to Spencer-Churchill in 1817 when he became Duke of Marlborough, to highlight his descent from John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough. Winston's father, Lord Randolph Churchill, the third son of John Spencer-Churchill, 7th Duke of Marlborough, was a politician, while his mother, Lady Randolph Churchill (n?e Jennie Jerome) was the daughter of American millionaire Leonard Jerome. Churchill was born two months premature in a bedroom in Blenheim Palace in Woodstock, Oxfordshire on 30 November 1874.[3] He arrived eight months after his parents' hasty marriage,[4] and had one brother, John Strange Spencer-Churchill.Churchill had an independent and rebellious nature and generally did poorly in school, for which he was punished. If he has Iroquois Indian heritage, it would have to be from him mother Lady Randolph Churchill. Which would be interesting since his father's side of the family are British Blue Bloods for many hundreds of years. Wikipedia, had no reference to that, noting only that his (Leonard Jerome) ancestors had been Huguenots or Calvinists. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From tammie at macombprinter.com Wed Apr 16 09:02:59 2008 From: tammie at macombprinter.com (Tammie at Quick Print & Signs) Date: Wed Apr 16 09:03:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Becky, Now you've let the cat out of the bag about our long weekend in Vegas! Tammie Tammie Speer ---------------------------------- Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ QUICK PRINT & SIGNS __________________________________ 1120 East Jackson Street Macomb, IL 61455 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ BeckyWh1@aol.com stated on 4/16/08 12:41 AM from BeckyWh1@aol.com > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > In a message dated 4/15/08 10:51:28 AM, tammie@macombprinter.com writes: > > >> I know I'm being picky here, but I can't believe some of the things that >> come out of mouths today. Recently, I have discovered that the word >> "height", ends with a "th". Has anyone else noticed this? I hear it all the >> time. "The heighth is 6' tall." >> > > Oh hon, you are SOOOO in need of Vegas! > See you in two weeks, I'll buy the first round! > > Becky > > > ************** > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From eric at digi-print.com Wed Apr 16 09:16:00 2008 From: eric at digi-print.com (Eric Weber) Date: Wed Apr 16 09:16:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Microperfing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm looking for some advice on microperfing. Job is printed on 110" index. We print a 3-up postcard and put 4 microperfs on the sheet - 2 in each direction. After my client runs these through their laser printer, 3 of the perfs are broken/separated to leave a 3.67 x 6 postcard that has one perf in it. To make a short story long, the problem is the last perf that is part of the mailing postcard. The post office (of course that's where the real problem is :)) seems to rip this apart in the mailing process. Ot at least too many of them - about 40 out of 1500 last month. I was using a 25tpi perf on the perf lines that are torn after laser printing and before mailing (which worked great) and a 17tpi on the postcard itself. Anyone have any ideas to make that perf more "PO-proof"? TIA ... -- *********************************************************************** Eric Weber Sales / General Manager / Vice President PrintDigital Inc. 4688 Darrow Rd., Stow, OH 44224 330-686-5945 Fax 330-686-5329 www.digi-print.com eric@digi-print.com ***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and delete this copy from your system. Thank you for your co-operation. *********************************************************************** From John at mpcny.com Wed Apr 16 09:18:23 2008 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Wed Apr 16 09:18:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Off RE: Re: OOPS! In-Reply-To: <20080416130311.E0B84ED7B34@rb.enter.net> References: <20080416130311.E0B84ED7B34@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <000901c89fc4$58ee7c90$0acb75b0$@com> With Becky having an oops already, why do I have feeling that what is about to happen in Vegas, will not be staying in Vegas? Have a great trip; I will watch the news to see if any airport or other things hit the news on your trip. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1379 - Release Date: 4/15/2008 6:10 PM From dvmonto at optonline.net Wed Apr 16 09:41:45 2008 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Wed Apr 16 09:42:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: OOPS! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What happens in Vegas....................................... :-D On 4/16/08 1:42 AM, "BeckyWh1@aol.com" wrote: > Ummmm....that was meant for Tammie personally. > Sorry! > > Becky Whatley > Quality Printing > Riverside, CA > > > ************** > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL > Money & Finance. > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) > From ron at printingconcepts.com Wed Apr 16 09:52:52 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Wed Apr 16 09:53:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Microperfing for direct mail Message-ID: One of our direct mail clients solved this for us The guy said, "I just want a really crappy perf" You just must resign yourself to doing the perf so it is difficult for the customer to tear, hence difficult for the PO to rip apart as well. I know this is against a good craftsmen's basic instincts. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From signal.graphics at snet.net Wed Apr 16 10:43:02 2008 From: signal.graphics at snet.net (Philip Bombart) Date: Wed Apr 16 10:43:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Productolith In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000e01c89fd0$2c97f7f0$6a01a8c0@phil> HAS ANYONE HAD ANY EXPERIENCE RUNNING Productolith 100# dull cover through the 3220. I need the whiteness of the color. I ran some sample sheets through but I need to run approx 1000 sheets. Phil Philip Bombart Signal Graphics Printing 63 Hebron Avenue Glastonbury, CT 06033 860.633.3333 sg49@signalgraphics.com From slb at inkspot.net Wed Apr 16 11:49:48 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Apr 16 11:50:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 2510 toner replacement In-Reply-To: <00ff01c89fc0$cf4e6de0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> References: , <071001c89f52$8eaf58d0$6900a8c0@DANIEL>, <00ff01c89fc0$cf4e6de0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: <4805E7DC.2751.3AC58490@slb.inkspot.net> Anybody have instructions for replacing the toner tube in a Xerox 2510? TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From slb at inkspot.net Wed Apr 16 12:04:38 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Apr 16 12:05:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Productolith In-Reply-To: <000e01c89fd0$2c97f7f0$6a01a8c0@phil> References: , <000e01c89fd0$2c97f7f0$6a01a8c0@phil> Message-ID: <4805EB56.26056.3AD318C5@slb.inkspot.net> We tried some Productolith dull text, and the coating bubbled. We've stuck with digital coated sheets since. HTH, Steve > > HAS ANYONE HAD ANY EXPERIENCE RUNNING Productolith 100# dull cover through > the 3220. I need the whiteness of the color. I ran some sample sheets > through but I need to run approx 1000 sheets. > > Phil > > Philip Bombart > Signal Graphics Printing > 63 Hebron Avenue > Glastonbury, CT 06033 > 860.633.3333 > sg49@signalgraphics.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3031 (20080416) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Apr 16 12:07:18 2008 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Apr 16 12:07:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0804151253s2d81203xdd6274015b4b682f@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0804150906xd1d6e7fo1baa801f9b9b931f@mail.gmail.com> <98f5b19a0804151253s2d81203xdd6274015b4b682f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <132501c89fdb$f2788ce0$d769a6a0$@biz> Michael - It's an over-generalization of "th rule" from length, width, and breadth, and I often make the same over-generalization in everyday speech. That type of unwritten "rule" (phono-syntactic) is also probably how children learn grammar before they're taught it formally...and results in "go-ed" instead of "went." The irregular forms are either acquired later or need to be taught. Language isn't static: It's in constant flux. So, it wouldn't be surprising to find "heighth" as acceptably "proper" usage in the future. I think the key, if there is one, is how communication - specifically meaning - is impacted by usage. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 3:53 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Recently, I have discovered that the word > "height", ends with a "th". Has anyone else noticed this? I hear it all the > time. "The heighth is 6' tall." Heard even more often than that, the most common affront to my ear is "...is, is that..." as in: "The thing is, is that it?s the lyrics that are perfect." "But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that..." "because the truth is is that these traditions that are passed on..." "but the danger is, is that they work in concert." "The danger is, is that al-Qaeda becomes an extension of Saddam's madness ... "...what I've tried to say all along, and that is, is that this is really a national security issue." If one is bothered by this, the problem is is that you'll be so irked at least once a day. Otherwise well-spoken, educated people -- and politicians -- are common culprits. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From inkyhand at gmail.com Wed Apr 16 12:16:57 2008 From: inkyhand at gmail.com (Ron Livingston) Date: Wed Apr 16 12:17:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Microperfing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5c2107b30804160916m715497d5rc1d2ea7e913926e@mail.gmail.com> We use 50 tpi for our microperf of cd tray liner flaps on 90 lb index, but we have never laser perforated 110 lb. card stock that has to go through the mail. Not sure the extra thickness will hold together. You might try www.wagnerdiesupply.com & talk to one of their reps. I know the ones in the Dallas office are very knowledgeable. hth Ron On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 8:16 AM, Eric Weber wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > I'm looking for some advice on microperfing. > > Job is printed on 110" index. We print a 3-up postcard and put 4 > microperfs on the sheet - 2 in each direction. > > > > I was using a 25tpi perf on the perf lines that are torn after laser > printing and before mailing (which worked great) and a 17tpi on the postcard > itself. Anyone have any ideas to make that perf more "PO-proof"? > > > -- > *********************************************************************** > Eric Weber > Sales / General Manager / Vice President > > PrintDigital Inc. > 4688 Darrow Rd., Stow, OH 44224 > 330-686-5945 Fax 330-686-5329 > www.digi-print.com eric@digi-print.com > > > -- Ron Livingston Cornerstone Press 1228 Scyene, Suite 117 Mesquite, TX 75149 (972) 285-4670 From greg at pressexpress.org Wed Apr 16 12:56:49 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed Apr 16 12:56:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF Customer Waiver Form Message-ID: With our print business, we do vinyl lettering which includes lettering vehicles. We lettered a truck last week. The truck was a 2001 in good shape but showed it's age. While lettering, I noticed a scratch on the back above the wheel well. Noting it's age, I chalked it up as existing, and it was. Within an hour after the client picks up the truck he is on the phone hollering that I scratched his truck and is seeking damages. In my rural environment, I still believe in doing business with a handshake, but it appears I need to have a signed contract for this type of scenario. Does anyone that does vinyl lettering have a contract for release of liability against vehicle damage that they are willing to share? Thank you Greg From jenni at wrightprinting.com Wed Apr 16 13:12:10 2008 From: jenni at wrightprinting.com (Jenni Burgess) Date: Wed Apr 16 13:12:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] IR3220 Owners Message-ID: Good afternoon! I have an issue with this machine that I need to know if anyone else has had. I've recently found that if I change the paper setting to Heavy or Extra Heavy the color and gradients change dramatically (especially the gradients). If I run the same file on the plain paper setting it works just fine. I haven't changed anything other than upgrading to CS3 when it came out and IKON loaded a new driver onto my machine. The tech has been in here within the last six to eight months changing the speed and voltage at which the paper runs through the machine but he says that he's tried going back to square one and that doesn't change it back. Both the service tech and the senior systems analyst have tried to solve this but the analyst believes this is some change that I've made on my computer that has caused it. I, of course, disagree because it worked six months ago. I hoping someone has had the same problem and can give me some advice. Thanks! -- Jenni * * * * jenni@wrightprinting.com ============================= Wright Printing Company 203 North St., P.O. Box 425 Normal, Illinois 61761 309 452-4409 -- fax 452-7422 ============================= From swiftyprinting at mac.com Wed Apr 16 13:15:42 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Wed Apr 16 13:15:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF Customer Waiver Form In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <554C767F-B6A9-43ED-ACA9-6B574B59ADA5@mac.com> On Apr 16, 2008, at 12:56 PM, Greg Weinfurter wrote: > Within an hour after the client picks up the truck he is on the > phone hollering that I scratched his truck and is seeking damages. > > In my rural environment, I still believe in doing business with a > handshake, but it appears I need to have a signed contract for this > type of scenario. > > Does anyone that does vinyl lettering have a contract for release of > liability against vehicle damage that they are willing to share? Even with a signed waiver you will not be protected. You would need a waiver with attached photos. However you will still not be covered if there is negligence. A good form to start with might be one you get from a car rental agency. There is one which has an outline of a car and space to indicate any previous damage along with a sign off line. Also, the next step would to be sure you are insured for this type of work and liability. Then when there is a problem just hand them your insurance form and contact. Let the insurance company deal with it. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From eking at whidbeyprinters.com Wed Apr 16 13:40:44 2008 From: eking at whidbeyprinters.com (Eric at Whidbey Printers) Date: Wed Apr 16 13:54:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] IR3220 Owners In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've not seen this happen on ours and we upgraded to CS3 when it came out. We did not change the driver though (on either the Macs or PC). I would put a single piece of 'extra heavy' in the stack bypass, but tell the copier it is plain (as well as the print driver at the computer) and see if the color stays the same or changes from the real plain paper print. Another thing to check is that perhaps the new print driver is trying to make an 'intelligent' color correction based on paper weight. Long shot. Lastly, if you use printer presets, check through them to make sure something didn't mysteriously change on you. Early last week I had a devil of a time getting pdf's written out with spot colors intact. Turned out the 'convert spot colors to cmyk' in the Ink Manager had somehow gotten checked. Took two hours of digging to find that. On 4/16/08 10:12 AM, "Jenni Burgess" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Good afternoon! > I have an issue with this machine that I need to know if anyone else has had. > I've recently found that if I change the paper setting to Heavy or > Extra Heavy the color and gradients change dramatically (especially > the gradients). If I run the same file on the plain paper setting it > works just fine. I haven't changed anything other than upgrading to > CS3 when it came out and IKON loaded a new driver onto my machine. > The tech has been in here within the last six to eight months > changing the speed and voltage at which the paper runs through the > machine but he says that he's tried going back to square one and that > doesn't change it back. > Both the service tech and the senior systems analyst have tried to > solve this but the analyst believes this is some change that I've > made on my computer that has caused it. I, of course, disagree > because it worked six months ago. > I hoping someone has had the same problem and can give me some advice. > Thanks! -- 2003 & 2002 Quality Award - Oak Harbor Chamber of Commerce 2001 Business of the Year - Oak Harbor Chamber of Commerce Eric King Whidbey Printers 1330 SW Barlow St #1 Oak Harbor, WA 98277 360-675-8837 Fax 360-679-4120 eking@whidbeyprinters.com From jenni at wrightprinting.com Wed Apr 16 14:19:33 2008 From: jenni at wrightprinting.com (Jenni Burgess) Date: Wed Apr 16 14:19:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] IR3220 Owners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Eric, I have tried every combination with the settings on the machine and print settings and the paper. I have also checked every setting in my presets and I don't see anything that has been changed on those either. I can't remember the exact date they installed the new print driver to be able to gauge if I've done any jobs that came out okay with the new driver. -- Jenni * * * * jenni@wrightprinting.com ============================= Wright Printing Company 203 North St., P.O. Box 425 Normal, Illinois 61761 309 452-4409 -- fax 452-7422 ============================= From signal.graphics at snet.net Wed Apr 16 14:25:52 2008 From: signal.graphics at snet.net (Philip Bombart) Date: Wed Apr 16 14:27:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] IR3220 Owners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000e01c89fef$4dd64fb0$6a01a8c0@phil> Have you recalibrated using the heavy paper setting. Its will change the coloration for heavy paper. Phil Philip Bombart Signal Graphics Printing 63 Hebron Avenue Glastonbury, CT 06033 860.633.3333 sg49@signalgraphics.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jenni Burgess Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 1:12 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] IR3220 Owners ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Good afternoon! I have an issue with this machine that I need to know if anyone else has had. I've recently found that if I change the paper setting to Heavy or Extra Heavy the color and gradients change dramatically (especially the gradients). If I run the same file on the plain paper setting it works just fine. I haven't changed anything other than upgrading to CS3 when it came out and IKON loaded a new driver onto my machine. The tech has been in here within the last six to eight months changing the speed and voltage at which the paper runs through the machine but he says that he's tried going back to square one and that doesn't change it back. Both the service tech and the senior systems analyst have tried to solve this but the analyst believes this is some change that I've made on my computer that has caused it. I, of course, disagree because it worked six months ago. I hoping someone has had the same problem and can give me some advice. Thanks! -- Jenni * * * * jenni@wrightprinting.com ============================= Wright Printing Company 203 North St., P.O. Box 425 Normal, Illinois 61761 309 452-4409 -- fax 452-7422 ============================= _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From tammie at macombprinter.com Wed Apr 16 14:55:50 2008 From: tammie at macombprinter.com (Tammie at Quick Print & Signs) Date: Wed Apr 16 14:55:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF Customer Waiver Form In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We just finished a truck 10 minutes ago. It has a bunch of lettering. We don't have a form such as you are talking about, but I have thought about the problems before. Usually, the customer drives it into our garage, then when it is finished, we move it into our front parking lot for the world (ok, Macomb) to see. There have been times while lettering vehicles that we have noticed a scratch in the vehicle and called the customer to make sure they knew about it. We made sure our insurance covers their vehicle in our garage. The customer probably noticed the scratch because they were looking closer at the vehicle with the new lettering. Tammie Tammie Speer, owner **************** Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ______________________________ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com/ A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ Or call for a FREE CD full of information. ______________________________ Greg Weinfurter stated on 4/16/08 11:56 AM from greg@pressexpress.org > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > With our print business, we do vinyl lettering which includes > lettering vehicles. > > We lettered a truck last week. The truck was a 2001 in good shape but > showed it's age. While lettering, I noticed a scratch on the back > above the wheel well. Noting it's age, I chalked it up as existing, > and it was. > > Within an hour after the client picks up the truck he is on the phone > hollering that I scratched his truck and is seeking damages. > > In my rural environment, I still believe in doing business with a > handshake, but it appears I need to have a signed contract for this > type of scenario. > > Does anyone that does vinyl lettering have a contract for release of > liability against vehicle damage that they are willing to share? > > Thank you > > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed Apr 16 15:17:12 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed Apr 16 15:17:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 2510 toner replacement In-Reply-To: <4805E7DC.2751.3AC58490@slb.inkspot.net> References: , <071001c89f52$8eaf58d0$6900a8c0@DANIEL>, <00ff01c89fc0$cf4e6de0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> <4805E7DC.2751.3AC58490@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <8CA6E0D9BD16632-1648-1150@FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com> As far as I can remember, you have two screws in the back * two on the side.? Take out panel & tube can be replaced. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Blatman To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:49 am Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 2510 toner replacement ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Anybody have instructions for replacing the toner tube in a Xerox 2510? TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jenni at wrightprinting.com Wed Apr 16 15:08:39 2008 From: jenni at wrightprinting.com (Jenni Burgess) Date: Wed Apr 16 15:18:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] IR3220 Owners In-Reply-To: <000e01c89fef$4dd64fb0$6a01a8c0@phil> References: <000e01c89fef$4dd64fb0$6a01a8c0@phil> Message-ID: Yes we've tried that too. Doesn't work. -- Jenni * * * * jenni@wrightprinting.com ============================= Wright Printing Company 203 North St., P.O. Box 425 Normal, Illinois 61761 309 452-4409 -- fax 452-7422 ============================= From copythatnyc at aol.com Wed Apr 16 15:21:05 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Wed Apr 16 15:21:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF Customer Waiver Form In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA6E0E26B6EB24-1648-1191@FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com> Never though of having one, but now that you placed this thread.? Got's me a thinkin'? <--Not correct grammer. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg Weinfurter To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:56 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF Customer Waiver Form ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? With our print business, we do vinyl lettering which includes lettering vehicles.? ? We lettered a truck last week. The truck was a 2001 in good shape but showed it's age. While lettering, I noticed a scratch on the back above the wheel well. Noting it's age, I chalked it up as existing, and it was.? ? Within an hour after the client picks up the truck he is on the phone hollering that I scratched his truck and is seeking damages.? ? In my rural environment, I still believe in doing business with a handshake, but it appears I need to have a signed contract for this type of scenario.? ? Does anyone that does vinyl lettering have a contract for release of liability against vehicle damage that they are willing to share?? ? Thank you? ? Greg? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From mmpanderson at gmail.com Wed Apr 16 15:37:52 2008 From: mmpanderson at gmail.com (Danny Ross) Date: Wed Apr 16 15:37:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] C500 Driver for C500 Message-ID: <6f85218f0804161237g6569328ey93de9cf481c7e9eb@mail.gmail.com> We have not been able to find a driver for Mac OS 10.5 that will work with the Konica C500. Konica finally posted one and we can print to it but it ignores or changes the paper selections and any other details. We have to make a PDF and send the file to our PC and then it will print. -- Danny Ross Minuteman Press Anderson, SC 864-224-9115 dross@minutemanpress.com From jdaghir at gmail.com Wed Apr 16 16:02:04 2008 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Wed Apr 16 16:02:09 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Productolith In-Reply-To: <000e01c89fd0$2c97f7f0$6a01a8c0@phil> References: <000e01c89fd0$2c97f7f0$6a01a8c0@phil> Message-ID: <83d5b9620804161302y725ab84dudf371a52b36c6042@mail.gmail.com> Unless you're locked into the specific whiteness of Productolith, I would go for Futura 100# Dull Cover instead since it's a digital grade sheet. Productolith is intended for offset. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Philip said: > HAS ANYONE HAD ANY EXPERIENCE RUNNING Productolith 100# dull cover through > the 3220. I need the whiteness of the color. I ran some sample sheets > through but I need to run approx 1000 sheets. From k_graham at hotmail.com Wed Apr 16 16:32:13 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Wed Apr 16 16:32:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] IR3220 Owners - (assuming Fiery) References: <000e01c89fef$4dd64fb0$6a01a8c0@phil> Message-ID: 1st is it a Fiery RIP? 2nd have you done a copier gradation adjust. This is separate from a Fiery calibration - I suggest using 90 brightness papers as some such as our Xerox Doc240 will be oversaturated with papers like 96 bright Hammermill, I assume due to Fluorescent brighteners. (this can not be corrected with a Fiery calibration Therefore after Copier gradation adjust with 90 brightness papers (& or Card) I then suggest the Fiery calibration. In the expert settings portion the later Fierys offer media defined profile which automatically changes according to the media selected - I suggest this. Copier must also be making good copies to begin with - I have a Heidelberg DI color chart saved at PONG files with wedding photos that should reproduce well before working with the RIP. http://groups.google.com/group/PrintOwnersNG All patches should be installed to RIP before any of above. > Good afternoon! > I have an issue with this machine that I need to know if anyone else has > had. > I've recently found that if I change the paper setting to Heavy or > Extra Heavy the color and gradients change dramatically (especially > the gradients). If I run the same file on the plain paper setting it > works just fine. I haven't changed anything other than upgrading to > CS3 when it came out and IKON loaded a new driver onto my machine. > The tech has been in here within the last six to eight months > changing the speed and voltage at which the paper runs through the > machine but he says that he's tried going back to square one and that > doesn't change it back. > Both the service tech and the senior systems analyst have tried to > solve this but the analyst believes this is some change that I've > made on my computer that has caused it. I, of course, disagree > because it worked six months ago. > I hoping someone has had the same problem and can give me some advice. > Thanks! > -- > Jenni > * * * * > jenni@wrightprinting.com > > > ============================= > Wright Printing Company > 203 North St., P.O. Box 425 > Normal, Illinois 61761 > 309 452-4409 -- fax 452-7422 > ============================= > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From jgross at techiowa.com Wed Apr 16 17:42:26 2008 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Wed Apr 16 17:42:36 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF Customer Waiver Form In-Reply-To: <8CA6E0E26B6EB24-1648-1191@FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <00a201c8a00a$c380bb90$1e00000a@tech.local> When I sold my Speedster the transport driver inspected the car and noted every single flaw (both of them) and had me sign the form. Then he loaded it and I cried a little until I remembered the check. Note new email address: jagross@techiowa.com John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc Iowa City, Iowa 52240 techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Melendez Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 2:21 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] OFF Customer Waiver Form ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Never though of having one, but now that you placed this thread.? Got's me a thinkin'? <--Not correct grammer. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg Weinfurter To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:56 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF Customer Waiver Form ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? With our print business, we do vinyl lettering which includes lettering vehicles.? ? We lettered a truck last week. The truck was a 2001 in good shape but showed it's age. While lettering, I noticed a scratch on the back above the wheel well. Noting it's age, I chalked it up as existing, and it was.? ? Within an hour after the client picks up the truck he is on the phone hollering that I scratched his truck and is seeking damages.? ? In my rural environment, I still believe in doing business with a handshake, but it appears I need to have a signed contract for this type of scenario.? ? Does anyone that does vinyl lettering have a contract for release of liability against vehicle damage that they are willing to share?? ? Thank you? ? Greg? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From michael at sirspeedy7099.com Wed Apr 16 20:00:25 2008 From: michael at sirspeedy7099.com (michael@sirspeedy7099.com) Date: Wed Apr 16 20:00:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 2510 toner replacement Message-ID: Hello Steve, I think we used to have a 2510, isn't it an oversise machine? I don't recall any trick to it. By now you've probably solved this issue but if not call me. I also know an ex-xerox tech for engineering copies he may be able to help. I'll be out of the office traveling Thursday, you can reach me or leave a message on my cell 610-420-8018. Regards, Michael Brown Sir Speedy Printing Center 443 West Chester Pike Havertown PA 19083-4595 (610) 789-2685 Fax (610) 789-2695 michael@sirspeedy7099.com www.sirspeedy7099.com >-----Original Message----- >From: Steve Blatman [mailto:slb@inkspot.net] >Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:49 AM >To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 2510 toner replacement > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Anybody have instructions for replacing the toner tube in a Xerox >2510? > >TIA, >Steve > > >Steve Blatman >Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >Tel: 610-647-0776 >Fax: 610-647-4560 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From michael at sirspeedy7099.com Wed Apr 16 20:02:13 2008 From: michael at sirspeedy7099.com (michael@sirspeedy7099.com) Date: Wed Apr 16 20:02:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF Customer Waiver Form Message-ID: How about taking a few before pictures? >-----Original Message----- >From: Greg Weinfurter [mailto:greg@pressexpress.org] >Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:56 PM >To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF Customer Waiver Form > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >With our print business, we do vinyl lettering which includes >lettering vehicles. > >We lettered a truck last week. The truck was a 2001 in good shape but >showed it's age. While lettering, I noticed a scratch on the back >above the wheel well. Noting it's age, I chalked it up as existing, >and it was. > >Within an hour after the client picks up the truck he is on the phone >hollering that I scratched his truck and is seeking damages. > >In my rural environment, I still believe in doing business with a >handshake, but it appears I need to have a signed contract for this >type of scenario. > >Does anyone that does vinyl lettering have a contract for release of >liability against vehicle damage that they are willing to share? > >Thank you > >Greg > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Apr 16 21:23:26 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Apr 16 21:23:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail Shops Message-ID: I would like to talk to those of you that have predominantly retail shops or at least a 50-50 mix of commercial and walk-in business. Anyone in a college atmosphere? Also wondering what is possible with window graphics? I've seen some vans that have a covering over the windows that allows driver and passengers to see out, but you see a design or message from the outside. ???? Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From printer at ptialaska.net Wed Apr 16 21:30:25 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Wed Apr 16 21:30:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Windmill Parts Message-ID: We need a register bar for a 10 x 15 windmill. Where do we get such a beast? _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Apr 16 21:54:29 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Apr 16 21:54:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Windmill Parts Message-ID: How about this for a quick Google search: PARTS FOR HEIDELBERG. Left click on page to enlarge ... WHE-WI0990-18, Gripper Bar for WINDMILL 13 X 18. OEM PRICE1365.23. YOUR PRICE $599.90, YOU SAVE ... printersparts-nc.com/-nc.com/Offsparts%20for%20heidelberg.htm - 100k - John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt and myself. **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Wed Apr 16 22:02:51 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Wed Apr 16 22:02:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail Shops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <735B7724-324E-45FC-9C73-E9A2FD031185@bellsouth.net> Robin, Perhaps I qualify. We are at a highly visible corner on a main boulevard in Charlotte. We do have a lot of walk in customers. I can't break out the 50/50 commercial from walk in, as a lot of our walk in are commercial accounts. Glad to help if I can! Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Apr 16, 2008, at 9:23 PM, Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I would like to talk to those of you that have predominantly retail > shops or at least a 50-50 mix of commercial and walk-in business. > Anyone in a college atmosphere? > Also wondering what is possible with window graphics? I've seen some > vans that have a covering over the windows that allows driver and > passengers to see out, but you see a design or message from the > outside. > ???? > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From printer at ptialaska.net Wed Apr 16 22:03:38 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Wed Apr 16 22:03:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Windmill Parts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Apr 16, 2008, at 5:54 PM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > How about this for a quick Google search: > > PARTS FOR HEIDELBERG. Left click on page to enlarge ... WHE- > WI0990-18, > Gripper Bar for WINDMILL 13 X 18. OEM PRICE1365.23. YOUR PRICE > $599.90, YOU SAVE REPLY: Why are you still working JOHN!? I know its late there, dont you ever go home? _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From tracey at targetcopy.com Wed Apr 16 22:03:29 2008 From: tracey at targetcopy.com (Tracey Cohen) Date: Wed Apr 16 22:04:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail Shops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000801c8a02f$3eb86c80$bc294580$@com> We are all of those things, Robin. Heavy retail, university setting, 60-40 mix of account to walk-in work (revenue wise), and here's the kicker - open 24-7. We have a neon sign in each of our 6 window panels. I'd like to put a wide format static cling or something like that in the window - we had a Neon sign break recently so we're thinking that we're going to replace it with one of our own products. Our van is fully "wrapped" and serves as a moving billboard for Target Copy. We unfortunately have to outsource that work to a sign shop, but we've gotten great feedback from it. If you want to talk more, feel free to give me a call. I'd love to swap some ideas. Tracey G. Cohen Target Copy 850.224.3007 850.224.5014 fax 635 West Tennessee Street Tallahassee, Fl 32304 tracey@targetcopy.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:23 PM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail Shops ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I would like to talk to those of you that have predominantly retail shops or at least a 50-50 mix of commercial and walk-in business. Anyone in a college atmosphere? Also wondering what is possible with window graphics? I've seen some vans that have a covering over the windows that allows driver and passengers to see out, but you see a design or message from the outside. ???? Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Apr 16 22:29:14 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Apr 16 22:29:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF Customer Waiver Form In-Reply-To: <00a201c8a00a$c380bb90$1e00000a@tech.local> References: <8CA6E0E26B6EB24-1648-1191@FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com> <00a201c8a00a$c380bb90$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0804161929i2b7b2096r3c2edb719a2967c4@mail.gmail.com> > Got's me a > thinkin'? <--Not correct grammer. > Not such good spelling eether. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ========================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Apr 16 23:13:15 2008 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Apr 16 23:13:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Windmill Parts Message-ID: In a message dated 4/16/2008 10:05:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, printer@ptialaska.net writes: REPLY: Why are you still working JOHN!? I know its late there, dont you ever go home? Still working on the upcoming operating ratio study... we just closed the books on it on Monday and it takes a long time to clean, organize the data so we can start finally pulling good data out that hopefully will assist the participants as well as others who read the reports. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt and myself. **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From wayne at printingonline.com Wed Apr 16 23:23:07 2008 From: wayne at printingonline.com (Wayne Yada) Date: Wed Apr 16 23:23:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail Shops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001301c8a03a$5b874c40$1295e4c0$@com> Although none of our stores are in immediate college areas, three of our stores are right in the middle of the downtown "main street" retail district, and our main store is just "slightly off Main St." We do utilize what is called "Clear Focus" graphics on our front windows, which is the same material that is used on bus windows, and large building coverage (like downtown Chicago, NY, etc), where the graphics covers glass. It is pressure sensitive vinyl material, similar to that which we use with vehicle wraps, but it has a regular pattern of holes punched in it, so that it looks like a screen tint from the inside, but the printing on the outside still shows. You can go to the manufacturer's website for some examples: http://www.clearfocus.com/gallery/retail_commercial.php It is good stuff! Most anyone who does large format ink jet printing can print on it. We use a solvent-based printer to do ours. Wayne Yada wayne@printingonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:23 PM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail Shops ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I would like to talk to those of you that have predominantly retail shops or at least a 50-50 mix of commercial and walk-in business. Anyone in a college atmosphere? Also wondering what is possible with window graphics? I've seen some vans that have a covering over the windows that allows driver and passengers to see out, but you see a design or message from the outside. ???? Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From k_graham at hotmail.com Wed Apr 16 23:47:39 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Wed Apr 16 23:30:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 2510 toner replacement References: , <071001c89f52$8eaf58d0$6900a8c0@DANIEL>, <00ff01c89fc0$cf4e6de0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> <4805E7DC.2751.3AC58490@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: > Anybody have instructions for replacing the toner tube in a Xerox > 2510? > There are knurled 2 screws on top on each end that are about a 1/2 turn and don't need a screwdriver, but first you need to take a end cover off. I leave the left one loose facing the front. Then their is a Green plastic strip that holds the cartridge in place on the left. Be very careful with this, it flexes so you can lift the cartridge above it and pull end wise and remove it but if you flex it just a bit too much it will break and then you will need a new one, if they are still available. I've had 2 for a dozen years but they truly are at end of life. Ken Graham From david.doost at gmail.com Wed Apr 16 23:58:34 2008 From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost) Date: Wed Apr 16 23:58:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail Shops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4806cae8.4301360a.498e.5f1d@mx.google.com> Robin, The material for the window graphics goes by many names. Two of the main manufacturers are 3M & Avery. There are two versions of this film. One is 50/50 (50% image area - 50% perf holes) other is 70/30 (70% image area) - this is the one you want for window graphics. It has 70% image area versus the 30% perf holes so it allows the image printed on it to "pop" quite a bit more. The other side advantage we have found besides the obvious advertising angle is that it blocks the sun rays quite a bit. So during the hot summer months down here in Atlanta it also helps with the A/C bill! Avery: http://tinyurl.com/4azgyf 3M http://tinyurl.com/3fncbx Clear vinyl graphic films that are perforated to allow a full graphic image to be seen on one side of a window, while people can still see through the window from the opposite side. David Doost Printing Impression Kennesaw, GA 30144 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:23 PM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail Shops ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I would like to talk to those of you that have predominantly retail shops or at least a 50-50 mix of commercial and walk-in business. Anyone in a college atmosphere? Also wondering what is possible with window graphics? I've seen some vans that have a covering over the windows that allows driver and passengers to see out, but you see a design or message from the outside. ???? Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From swiftyprinting at mac.com Thu Apr 17 07:34:41 2008 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Thu Apr 17 07:34:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail Shops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Apr 16, 2008, at 9:23 PM, Robin Niewold wrote: > > I would like to talk to those of you that have predominantly retail > shops or at least a 50-50 mix of commercial and walk-in business. > Anyone in a college atmosphere? We originally started as a retail only and over the years have developed into a commercial retail shop. Our commercial customers seem to prefer to stop in. We are in a shopping district so they like to pick up their jobs and go next door to lunch (creates an extended lunch period). The town bylaws prohibit the more than 20% of window coverage with signs. Therefore we do not use the vinyl graphic signs, but do hang 24x36 professional style signs in the window. Before you apply any graphic signs on your window check the town bylaws. (A good note also when doing signs for customers.) We are not directly in a college town, but are just a few (2-5) miles away from Bentley, Tufts, MIT, Harvard, BU, etc....... Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From bill at werkheiser.com Fri Apr 18 07:58:33 2008 From: bill at werkheiser.com (Bill Werkheiser) Date: Thu Apr 17 07:57:57 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Employees Was: Anniversary In-Reply-To: <004701c89be2$4e12aca0$1e00000a@tech.local> References: <004701c89be2$4e12aca0$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <48088CE9.5090603@werkheiser.com> Sorry to see this thread so short lived. To me, this is the lifeblood of the organization. My employees allow me to live a great lifestyle and I owe everything to them. A while back, I spent two weeks in remote parts of Africa where communication of any kind was non existent. Was sorta dreading coming back to all I had to do. I got in late on Friday night and went in Saturday to start the catchup process. I was home by 2:00 in the afternoon. At this point, I honestly believe they could hire a bookkeeper and do without me. I only have five employees, but the six of us had an SPE of 189,300 last year. Most of my dialog with them is non work related. I believe the greatest factor is longevity of employment. Below is the position and how long they've been with me. We actually tried to hire someone last year, but we collectively decided after a two week trial that they were not a good fit. I gave three of them another dollar for taking on the additional load that this person would have handled (hey, it was cheaper than a new person), and we've never thought about it again. Customer Service - 22 years Graphics - 10 years Bindery - 13 years Press Operator - 8 years Press Operator - 3 years The last hire was a new one not a replacement when we bought the DI Crouser had a huge impact on changing the way I did things. Additionally, there are two books which I think are absolutely necessary if you are going to run a business: (1) Seven Habits of Highly Successful People (2) The E-Myth Revisited Bill Werkheiser http://WeLoveToPrint.com SE PrinTech / Coastal Mailing Services P O Box 27 - 315 E Banks St. Glennville, GA 30427 (912) 654-3610 phone (912) 654-3611 fax John Gross wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > A gift certificate for dinner for two at a nice restaurant - impress his > spouse and she will tell him to get out of bed in the mornings because his > boss is so good to both of them. > > Note new email address: jagross@techiowa.com > > John A. Gross > Technigraphics, Inc > Iowa City, Iowa 52240 > techiowa.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Azkwikkopy@aol.com > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:30 AM > To: PRINTOWNERS@PRINTWEB.ORG > Subject: [PrintOwners] Anniversary > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a great employee that is reaching his 15th anniversary with us. > What's a good gift? > > Nick Allion > Copy Right Printing > 2406 S. 24th Street > Phoenix, Arizona 85034 > v - 602-275-7255 > f - 602-275-9711 > c - 602-882-9681 > e - copyrightaz@aol.com > > Pledge > Your Copy will be Right, look great and be on time, the first time. > > > > > > ************** > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. > > > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3020 (20080411) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > From barry at wolfprinting.com Thu Apr 17 08:20:06 2008 From: barry at wolfprinting.com (Barry Wolf) Date: Thu Apr 17 08:20:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Windmill Parts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001d01c8a085$5fba0460$9000a8c0@wolf1> Charles, We have these exchanged for rebuilt bars for a fraction of the cost to replace at DG Graphic Equipment Repair in Lititz, PA 717-626-8126 ask for Henry or Dean Grove. Regards Barry V. Wolf Wolf Printing, LLC 1200 Haines Road York, PA 17402 717-755-1560 717-840-0496 FAX barry@wolfprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Charles A. Lincoln Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:30 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Windmill Parts ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We need a register bar for a 10 x 15 windmill. Where do we get such a beast? _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu Apr 17 10:24:40 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu Apr 17 10:25:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail Shops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA6EADE86A2A4F-A04-3A3D@FWM-D42.sysops.aol.com> Hey Robin.? My location is 60-40 Retail to commercial.? If you want, I'll shoot over a pic of our front window graphics.? Not sure if it is the move or window display, that has really pushed our sales. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Robin Niewold To: printowners printowners Sent: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 9:23 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail Shops ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? I would like to talk to those of you that have predominantly retail shops or at least a 50-50 mix of commercial and walk-in business. Anyone in a college atmosphere?? Also wondering what is possible with window graphics? I've seen some vans that have a covering over the windows that allows driver and passengers to see out, but you see a design or message from the outside.? ????? ? Robin Niewold? Pro-Type Printing, Inc.? 130 N. Market Street? Paxton, IL 60957? 217.379.4715? robin@protypeonline.com? ? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu Apr 17 10:32:33 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu Apr 17 10:33:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF Customer Waiver Form In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0804161929i2b7b2096r3c2edb719a2967c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CA6E0E26B6EB24-1648-1191@FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com> <00a201c8a00a$c380bb90$1e00000a@tech.local> <98f5b19a0804161929i2b7b2096r3c2edb719a2967c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CA6EAF02338241-88C-2E07@WEBMAIL-DG11.sim.aol.com> LOL Michael Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Vogel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:29 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] OFF Customer Waiver Form ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Got's me a > thinkin'? <--Not correct grammer. > Not such good spelling eether. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ========================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From brian at mousegraphics.com Thu Apr 17 10:45:10 2008 From: brian at mousegraphics.com (Brian Perkinson) Date: Thu Apr 17 10:45:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail Shops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48076276.5080208@mousegraphics.com> Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I would like to talk to those of you that have predominantly retail > shops or at least a 50-50 mix of commercial and walk-in business. Anyone > in a college atmosphere? > Also wondering what is possible with window graphics? I've seen some > vans that have a covering over the windows that allows driver and > passengers to see out, but you see a design or message from the outside. > ???? You've gotten quite a few good answers on the window film, but one thing to consider is the lighting on the inside and outside of the shop. In general, you need much stronger lighting on the outside for the film for it to be effective. If you're inside at night with the lights on, the graphic is pretty much lost from the outside, and people can see right though it into your shop. It's not much good for privacy at night. Next time you see a bus with window film on it at night with the lights on inside, look at the graphic on the window. Brian -- Brian Perkinson Mousegraphics 1414 W 14th St Tempe, AZ 85281 480-894-1992 1-888-88 MOUSE brian@mousegraphics.com www.mousegraphics.com From slb at inkspot.net Thu Apr 17 11:22:32 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Apr 17 11:23:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 2510 toner replacement In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <480732F8.29983.38361CF@slb.inkspot.net> Thanks. That's about what I saw when I opened it. I also replaced the developer--it appeared that removing the old developer with a vacuum cleaner was the only possible answer....any tips for next time? Thanks, Steve > > > > Anybody have instructions for replacing the toner tube in a Xerox > > 2510? > > > There are knurled 2 screws on top on each end that are about a 1/2 turn and > don't need a screwdriver, but first you need to take a end cover off. I > leave the left one loose facing the front. > > Then their is a Green plastic strip that holds the cartridge in place on the > left. Be very careful with this, it flexes so you can lift the cartridge > above it and pull end wise and remove it but if you flex it just a bit too > much it will break and then you will need a new one, if they are still > available. I've had 2 for a dozen years but they truly are at end of life. > > Ken Graham > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3034 (20080417) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From huntleyw at bellsouth.net Thu Apr 17 13:41:01 2008 From: huntleyw at bellsouth.net (Bill Huntley) Date: Thu Apr 17 12:39:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail Shops References: Message-ID: <00eb01c8a0b2$35760910$34e50641@bills4drj3ddzy> We are right across the street from the University of South Carolina, and do a lot of business with students, much of it walk in with files on usb (thumbnail) drives. Bill Huntley Universal Copies Columbia, SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Niewold" To: "printowners printowners" Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:23 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail Shops > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I would like to talk to those of you that have predominantly retail > shops or at least a 50-50 mix of commercial and walk-in business. > Anyone in a college atmosphere? > From copythatnyc at aol.com Thu Apr 17 12:41:05 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Thu Apr 17 12:41:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail Shops In-Reply-To: <48076276.5080208@mousegraphics.com> References: <48076276.5080208@mousegraphics.com> Message-ID: <8CA6EC0F7202857-16C4-486@WEBMAIL-DG11.sim.aol.com> Brian your right about the night time, people can look in on you.? But considering most shops close around 5-7 PM.? It doesn't really matter that they look in. One other point I must make.? You will be asked by your customers, how much will it cost to do the same for them.? This has been a great avenue for sales.? I've had customer's that never used us before?& as they drove by called & asked if we can do the same for them.? I've gotten 3?orders from this already.? We placed the graphics on our window in Feb. P.S. It also helps the sale when you can do this in-house. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Brian Perkinson To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:45 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Retail Shops ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Robin Niewold wrote:? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? > > I would like to talk to those of you that have predominantly retail > shops or at least a 50-50 mix of commercial and walk-in business. Anyone > in a college atmosphere?? > Also wondering what is possible with window graphics? I've seen some > vans that have a covering over the windows that allows driver and > passengers to see out, but you see a design or message from the outside.? > ????? ? You've gotten quite a few good answers on the window film, but one thing to consider is the lighting on the inside and outside of the shop. In general, you need much stronger lighting on the outside for the film for it to be effective. If you're inside at night with the lights on, the graphic is pretty much lost from the outside, and people can see right though it into your shop. It's not much good for privacy at night.? ? Next time you see a bus with window film on it at night with the lights on inside, look at the graphic on the window.? ? Brian? ? -- ? Brian Perkinson? Mousegraphics? 1414 W 14th St? Tempe, AZ 85281? 480-894-1992? 1-888-88 MOUSE? brian@mousegraphics.com? www.mousegraphics.com? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From stumarty at wrightprinting.com Thu Apr 17 13:50:06 2008 From: stumarty at wrightprinting.com (Stu) Date: Thu Apr 17 13:50:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail Shops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On or about 7:34 AM -0400 4/17/08, Chuck emailed the following: >The town bylaws prohibit the more than 20% of window coverage with >signs. Therefore we do not use the vinyl graphic signs, but do hang >24x36 professional style signs in the window. We have a similar design standard ruling in our community, Chuck. New design standards for the downtown area want people to be able to look inside windows as they sashay down the street. Vinyl is ok, but there is a limit. -just old stu- -- =============== SETTING IT WRIGHT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I wondered why the NEO was getting bigger. Then it hit me. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com From newtone at cox.net Thu Apr 17 14:24:54 2008 From: newtone at cox.net (Newtone) Date: Thu Apr 17 14:24:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Low cost credit card merchant program In-Reply-To: <00eb01c8a0b2$35760910$34e50641@bills4drj3ddzy> Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I have come across a low cost merchant program I'd like to share with the group. As a small shop, we only do 5-10 charges per month with a total of $1000-2000. Quickbooks has a low volume program called Online Terminal. There is no software or equipment to buy. You authorize charges thru the internet. The costs are minimal $12.95 per month .30 per transaction 2.9% discount on transactions 3.27% discount on non qualifying, government or corporate cards chargeback $20 ach reject fee $15 That's it. There are no set up fees, or termination fees, or minimum monthly discount requirements. This program does NOT directly interact with Quickbooks. For that you need the more expensive Quickbooks merchant account. You have the option to accept AMEX in addition to M/C Visa & Discover. If you have questions, call (800) 558-9558 Bob Newton Town & Country Printers, Inc. Santee, CA No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13 - Release Date: 4/12/2008 12:00 AM From sgfinke at fuse.net Thu Apr 17 14:31:14 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Thu Apr 17 14:30:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail Shops In-Reply-To: <000801c8a02f$3eb86c80$bc294580$@com> References: <000801c8a02f$3eb86c80$bc294580$@com> Message-ID: <6411F5A6-E72B-4C88-AA35-B0116E46E739@fuse.net> Robin: All kinds of things are possible with those window graphics, and they aren't GENERALLY covered by sign codes. There is a very cool looking little African-American barber shop in my neighborhood that covered its windows in African fabric patterns with that see-through film. I'll see if I can snap a picture. Gail Finke 6337 Aspen Way Cincinnati, OH 45231 sgfinke@fuse.net On Apr 16, 2008, at 10:03 PM, Tracey Cohen wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are all of those things, Robin. Heavy retail, university > setting, 60-40 > mix of account to walk-in work (revenue wise), and here's the > kicker - open > 24-7. > > We have a neon sign in each of our 6 window panels. I'd like to > put a wide > format static cling or something like that in the window - we had a > Neon > sign break recently so we're thinking that we're going to replace > it with > one of our own products. > > Our van is fully "wrapped" and serves as a moving billboard for > Target Copy. > We unfortunately have to outsource that work to a sign shop, but we've > gotten great feedback from it. > > If you want to talk more, feel free to give me a call. I'd love to > swap > some ideas. > > Tracey G. Cohen > Target Copy > 850.224.3007 > 850.224.5014 fax > 635 West Tennessee Street > Tallahassee, Fl 32304 > tracey@targetcopy.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:23 PM > To: printowners printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail Shops > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I would like to talk to those of you that have predominantly retail > shops or at least a 50-50 mix of commercial and walk-in business. > Anyone in a college atmosphere? > Also wondering what is possible with window graphics? I've seen some > vans that have a covering over the windows that allows driver and > passengers to see out, but you see a design or message from the > outside. > ???? > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From sgfinke at fuse.net Thu Apr 17 14:37:37 2008 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Thu Apr 17 14:36:52 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail Shops In-Reply-To: <48076276.5080208@mousegraphics.com> References: <48076276.5080208@mousegraphics.com> Message-ID: Something to consider is a band of graphics in that film along the bottom of the windows, covering a quarter to a half. The full window covering that I described in the last letter is nice for the people inside but doesn't meet the "transparency" requirement that's generally considered important by experts in retail design. That is a nice mix -- half covered, half open. Now some of the more marginal businesses in my neigbhorhood business district completely cover their windows with shelving or even brown paper! See-through film with a good design is much preferable to that, even if it does prevent seeing inside (at least in the daytime). Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Apr 17, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Brian Perkinson wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Robin Niewold wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> I would like to talk to those of you that have predominantly >> retail shops or at least a 50-50 mix of commercial and walk-in >> business. Anyone in a college atmosphere? >> Also wondering what is possible with window graphics? I've seen >> some vans that have a covering over the windows that allows driver >> and passengers to see out, but you see a design or message from >> the outside. >> ???? > > You've gotten quite a few good answers on the window film, but one > thing to consider is the lighting on the inside and outside of the > shop. In general, you need much stronger lighting on the outside > for the film for it to be effective. If you're inside at night with > the lights on, the graphic is pretty much lost from the outside, > and people can see right though it into your shop. It's not much > good for privacy at night. > > Next time you see a bus with window film on it at night with the > lights on inside, look at the graphic on the window. > > Brian > > -- > > Brian Perkinson > Mousegraphics > 1414 W 14th St > Tempe, AZ 85281 > 480-894-1992 > 1-888-88 MOUSE > brian@mousegraphics.com > www.mousegraphics.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From david.doost at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 14:53:42 2008 From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost) Date: Thu Apr 17 14:54:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail Shops In-Reply-To: References: <48076276.5080208@mousegraphics.com> Message-ID: <48079ca9.0610c00a.2cb4.46eb@mx.google.com> Gail, We have done something similar to what you describe on one side of our building and we also have the perforated graphics on another side (on material called Vision graphics - you can view from the inside). If anyone is interested in seeing this, I'll take a couple of photos- just email me offline and I will send it to you. David Doost Printing Impression Kennesaw, GA 30144 770-422-8766 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott and Gail Finke Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 2:38 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Retail Shops ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Something to consider is a band of graphics in that film along the bottom of the windows, covering a quarter to a half. The full window covering that I described in the last letter is nice for the people inside but doesn't meet the "transparency" requirement that's generally considered important by experts in retail design. That is a nice mix -- half covered, half open. Now some of the more marginal businesses in my neigbhorhood business district completely cover their windows with shelving or even brown paper! See-through film with a good design is much preferable to that, even if it does prevent seeing inside (at least in the daytime). Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Apr 17, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Brian Perkinson wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Robin Niewold wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> I would like to talk to those of you that have predominantly >> retail shops or at least a 50-50 mix of commercial and walk-in >> business. Anyone in a college atmosphere? >> Also wondering what is possible with window graphics? I've seen >> some vans that have a covering over the windows that allows driver >> and passengers to see out, but you see a design or message from >> the outside. >> ???? > > You've gotten quite a few good answers on the window film, but one > thing to consider is the lighting on the inside and outside of the > shop. In general, you need much stronger lighting on the outside > for the film for it to be effective. If you're inside at night with > the lights on, the graphic is pretty much lost from the outside, > and people can see right though it into your shop. It's not much > good for privacy at night. > > Next time you see a bus with window film on it at night with the > lights on inside, look at the graphic on the window. > > Brian > > -- > > Brian Perkinson > Mousegraphics > 1414 W 14th St > Tempe, AZ 85281 > 480-894-1992 > 1-888-88 MOUSE > brian@mousegraphics.com > www.mousegraphics.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From k_graham at hotmail.com Thu Apr 17 15:36:40 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Thu Apr 17 15:36:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 2510 toner replacement References: , <480732F8.29983.38361CF@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: The developer housing is quite easy to remove. I think just a screw or 2 from the back. I've been scanning my manuals as backups and do also have the service manual to the 2510 so should be able to provide something in a day or so. There is a toner lever adjustment on I think the right side of toner drum. Have you found a affordable place for the developer, toner? Ken > Thanks. That's about what I saw when I opened it. I also replaced the > developer--it appeared that removing the old developer with a vacuum > cleaner was the only possible answer....any tips for next time? > > Thanks, > Steve From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 15:37:01 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Apr 17 15:37:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Low cost credit card merchant program In-Reply-To: References: <00eb01c8a0b2$35760910$34e50641@bills4drj3ddzy> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0804171237w635e4386hba42d1a025b7c5e@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Newtone wrote: > > The costs are minimal $12.95 per month > .30 per transaction > 2.9% discount on transactions > 3.27% discount on non qualifying, government or corporate > cards > chargeback $20 > ach reject fee $15 Those charges aren't exactly "minimal" Bob. They're about the highest I've ever seen. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ========================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From armand at curryonline.com Thu Apr 17 16:01:40 2008 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Thu Apr 17 16:02:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Low cost credit card merchant program In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0804171237w635e4386hba42d1a025b7c5e@mail.gmail.com> References: <00eb01c8a0b2$35760910$34e50641@bills4drj3ddzy> <98f5b19a0804171237w635e4386hba42d1a025b7c5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002a01c8a0c5$da29e7c0$8e7db740$@com> Those charges certainly are high. We process through NPC, which was bought out by Bank of America last year. Our fees are: 2.00 monthly statement charge .15 per transaction on Discover and Amex only (no fee for Visa or MC) 1.85% for qualifying charges 2.65% on non qualifying charges We have a $25.00 minimum charge requirement. However, we process enough transactions that we always meet the $25.00 minimum. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing Auburn, ME 04210 armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 3:37 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Low cost credit card merchant program ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Newtone wrote: > > The costs are minimal $12.95 per month > .30 per transaction > 2.9% discount on transactions > 3.27% discount on non qualifying, government or corporate > cards > chargeback $20 > ach reject fee $15 Those charges aren't exactly "minimal" Bob. They're about the highest I've ever seen. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ========================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bill at mauiprintworks.com Thu Apr 17 19:38:42 2008 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Thu Apr 17 19:38:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well over here we'd say "Wen you need um, cuz" Of course we only have a Community College nearby. Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793 bill@mauiprintworks.com 808-242-6634 On Apr 15, 2008, at 3:24 AM, Tammie at Quick Print & Signs wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > All day long, I hear my counter person/graphic designer ask > customers, "When > do you need this by?" > > She is VERY good with customers and they all like her very much. > Should I > say something to her about the way she ends this sentence, or let > it go? > > I usually have to hear it about 10 times a day and I cringe every > time. We > are in a pretty rural area, but we have a lot of university types > around > here because of Western Illinois University also. > > Thanks, > Tammie > > From slb at inkspot.net Thu Apr 17 20:06:54 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Apr 17 20:07:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 2510 toner replacement In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <4807ADDE.12373.56376C0@slb.inkspot.net> I have a few bottles of developer that were on a pallet with a lot of 5100 toner that I bought a few years ago (from a local company that was dumping their 5100; we still had one...) I don't have a good place for toner--do you have one to recommend? Steve > > The developer housing is quite easy to remove. I think just a screw or 2 > from the back. > > I've been scanning my manuals as backups and do also have the service manual > to the 2510 so should be able to provide something in a day or so. > > There is a toner lever adjustment on I think the right side of toner drum. > > Have you found a affordable place for the developer, toner? > > Ken > > > Thanks. That's about what I saw when I opened it. I also replaced the > > developer--it appeared that removing the old developer with a vacuum > > cleaner was the only possible answer....any tips for next time? > > > > Thanks, > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3035 (20080417) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au Thu Apr 17 20:48:23 2008 From: Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au (Harry Brelsford) Date: Thu Apr 17 20:48:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proper Grammar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Shouldn't "cuz" be followed by a question mark? Harry >Well over here we'd say >"Wen you need um, cuz" > >Of course we only have a Community College nearby. > >Bill Marsh >Maui Print Works >70 Central Ave., Wailuku HI 96793 >bill@mauiprintworks.com >808-242-6634 -- Harry Brelsford Varsity Graphics Shop 2 - 195 Varsity Parade Varsity Lakes QLD 4227 Australia Ph: 61 7 5575 9417 Fax: 61 7 5575 8091 Harry@VarsityGraphics.com.au From k_graham at hotmail.com Fri Apr 18 00:22:28 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Fri Apr 18 00:24:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 2510 toner replacement References: , <4807ADDE.12373.56376C0@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: > I have a few bottles of developer that were on a pallet with a lot of > 5100 toner that I bought a few years ago (from a local company that > was dumping their 5100; we still had one...) > > I don't have a good place for toner--do you have one to recommend? > Unfortunately no, I've bought a couple supplies off Ebay but I think I may need to restring the Coronas so need some wire. Also developer. The bottom Corona acts as a static charge to hold the paper in position as the sheet starts through, if it isn't doing its job the sheet will stop about 6" in. The same can happen if taking paper off a roll, near the end of the roll the tight curl will cause it to quit. Of course a stray piece of paper or even a dead bug can short the corona out and cause the problem as well. Good the 2510 is probably the simplest copier to work on in existence. Be careful about amount of developer used, as I recall after I received my 1st 2510 there was some sort of problem mentioned where there was too much developer in the bottles at that time and it was tending to hold the end of the developer cartridge up. If it doesn't ride on the plastic at the end of the housing the device for dumping toner in doesn't do its job. I should have schematics of the developer remove and replace ready for you tomorrow. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Fri Apr 18 00:22:47 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Fri Apr 18 00:29:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Employees Was: Anniversary In-Reply-To: <48088CE9.5090603@werkheiser.com> Message-ID: I am Jack's extreme sense of jealous. Bill, if you have any tips for how you did this, other than being awesome and/or lucky (both of which I have market cornered on) let me know. I'm kidding, I have a pretty good idea of what it takes to retain people, but I dream to have a streak like that one day though. Congratulations. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: Bill Werkheiser > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:58:33 -0400 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: [PrintOwners] Employees Was: Anniversary > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Sorry to see this thread so short lived. To me, this is the lifeblood of > the organization. My employees allow me to live a great lifestyle and I > owe everything to them. A while back, I spent two weeks in remote parts > of Africa where communication of any kind was non existent. Was sorta > dreading coming back to all I had to do. I got in late on Friday night > and went in Saturday to start the catchup process. I was home by 2:00 in > the afternoon. At this point, I honestly believe they could hire a > bookkeeper and do without me. I only have five employees, but the six of > us had an SPE of 189,300 last year. Most of my dialog with them is non > work related. I believe the greatest factor is longevity of employment. > Below is the position and how long they've been with me. We actually > tried to hire someone last year, but we collectively decided after a two > week trial that they were not a good fit. I gave three of them another > dollar for taking on the additional load that this person would have > handled (hey, it was cheaper than a new person), and we've never thought > about it again. > > Customer Service - 22 years > Graphics - 10 years > Bindery - 13 years > Press Operator - 8 years > Press Operator - 3 years > > The last hire was a new one not a replacement when we bought the DI > > Crouser had a huge impact on changing the way I did things. > Additionally, there are two books which I think are absolutely necessary > if you are going to run a business: > > (1) Seven Habits of Highly Successful People > (2) The E-Myth Revisited > > Bill Werkheiser > http://WeLoveToPrint.com > SE PrinTech / Coastal Mailing Services > P O Box 27 - 315 E Banks St. > Glennville, GA 30427 > (912) 654-3610 phone > (912) 654-3611 fax > > > > John Gross wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> A gift certificate for dinner for two at a nice restaurant - impress his >> spouse and she will tell him to get out of bed in the mornings because his >> boss is so good to both of them. >> >> Note new email address: jagross@techiowa.com >> >> John A. Gross >> Technigraphics, Inc >> Iowa City, Iowa 52240 >> techiowa.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Azkwikkopy@aol.com >> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:30 AM >> To: PRINTOWNERS@PRINTWEB.ORG >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Anniversary >> >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I have a great employee that is reaching his 15th anniversary with us. >> What's a good gift? >> >> Nick Allion >> Copy Right Printing >> 2406 S. 24th Street >> Phoenix, Arizona 85034 >> v - 602-275-7255 >> f - 602-275-9711 >> c - 602-882-9681 >> e - copyrightaz@aol.com >> >> Pledge >> Your Copy will be Right, look great and be on time, the first time. >> >> >> >> >> >> ************** >> Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. >> >> >> (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >> database 3020 (20080411) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From craig at newhavenprint.com Fri Apr 18 07:55:20 2008 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Fri Apr 18 07:50:28 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Earthquake! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080418115027.8C386EDD998@rb.enter.net> Just wanted to check on our friends in Central Illinois. I couldn't believe we were having an earthquake this morning. We are probably 200 miles from where it hit and our house was shaking a little. All our employees are talking about how their pets went nuts and things fell off shelves. The last time we felt an earthquake here was probably 20 years ago. I remember that I was in the darkroom and the chemicals in the developing trays started having ripples. Anyway, I hope everyone is OK and there wasn't any damage. Please check in Robin, Dennis, Stu, etc. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From dennis.trump at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 08:46:52 2008 From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump) Date: Fri Apr 18 08:47:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Earthquake! In-Reply-To: <20080418115027.8C386EDD998@rb.enter.net> References: <20080418115027.8C386EDD998@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <41aa6a080804180546y4565a3a3ufc710aae1630128c@mail.gmail.com> No problems here but it certainly was interesting. I was either awake already or I woke up as a result of the earthquake. I don't think there was any damage at all other than a few bricks falling off a building but the news will take that one small photo op and put it all across the country, Years ago my wife insisted we add earthquake coverage to our insurance policy. I was against it but did it in the interest of marital harmony. We still kid each other about it and this morning she was doing the "I told you so" routine. I promised her I would gather all of our claims today and be on the insurance office front steps when they opened. She'll probably let me back in the house some time next week. Anyway I wonder how many of us have that rider on our policies. -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 6:55 AM, Craig Dellinger wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Just wanted to check on our friends in Central Illinois. I couldn't > believe > we were having an earthquake this morning. We are probably 200 miles from > where it hit and our house was shaking a little. All our employees are > talking about how their pets went nuts and things fell off shelves. The > last > time we felt an earthquake here was probably 20 years ago. I remember that > I > was in the darkroom and the chemicals in the developing trays started > having > ripples. > Anyway, I hope everyone is OK and there wasn't any damage. Please check in > Robin, Dennis, Stu, etc. > > Craig Dellinger > New Haven Print & Copy > 7531 US 930 East > Fort Wayne, IN 46803 > 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 > www.newhavenprint.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mike at arborprinting.com Fri Apr 18 09:31:30 2008 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Fri Apr 18 09:29:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: help with corner rounder References: <00eb01c8a0b2$35760910$34e50641@bills4drj3ddzy> <98f5b19a0804171237w635e4386hba42d1a025b7c5e@mail.gmail.com> <002a01c8a0c5$da29e7c0$8e7db740$@com> Message-ID: <004a01c8a158$83421840$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> We have been doing quite a bit of corner rounding and sending it out. What machines are you using who do it in house? Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com mike@arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Armand Girard" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 3:01 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Low cost credit card merchant program > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Those charges certainly are high. We process through NPC, which was bought > out by Bank of America last year. Our fees are: > > > 2.00 monthly statement charge > .15 per transaction on Discover and Amex only (no fee for Visa or MC) > 1.85% for qualifying charges > 2.65% on non qualifying charges > > We have a $25.00 minimum charge requirement. However, we process enough > transactions that we always meet the $25.00 minimum. > > > Armand Girard > Curry Printing & Mailing > Auburn, ME 04210 > > armand@curryonline.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 3:37 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Low cost credit card merchant program > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Newtone wrote: >> >> The costs are minimal $12.95 per month >> .30 per transaction >> 2.9% discount on transactions >> 3.27% discount on non qualifying, > government or corporate >> cards >> chargeback $20 >> ach reject fee $15 > > > Those charges aren't exactly "minimal" Bob. > They're about the highest I've ever seen. > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ========================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mike at arborprinting.com Fri Apr 18 09:33:17 2008 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Fri Apr 18 09:31:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quark 7 problem References: <00eb01c8a0b2$35760910$34e50641@bills4drj3ddzy> <98f5b19a0804171237w635e4386hba42d1a025b7c5e@mail.gmail.com> <002a01c8a0c5$da29e7c0$8e7db740$@com> Message-ID: <004f01c8a158$c3102bb0$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> How are those of you with Canon equipment, we have a 7095 and 3220 printing from Quark 7? Since the upgrade, we can't print to any Canon machine. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com mike@arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Armand Girard" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 3:01 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Low cost credit card merchant program > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Those charges certainly are high. We process through NPC, which was bought > out by Bank of America last year. Our fees are: > > > 2.00 monthly statement charge > .15 per transaction on Discover and Amex only (no fee for Visa or MC) > 1.85% for qualifying charges > 2.65% on non qualifying charges > > We have a $25.00 minimum charge requirement. However, we process enough > transactions that we always meet the $25.00 minimum. > > > Armand Girard > Curry Printing & Mailing > Auburn, ME 04210 > > armand@curryonline.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 3:37 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Low cost credit card merchant program > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Newtone wrote: >> >> The costs are minimal $12.95 per month >> .30 per transaction >> 2.9% discount on transactions >> 3.27% discount on non qualifying, > government or corporate >> cards >> chargeback $20 >> ach reject fee $15 > > > Those charges aren't exactly "minimal" Bob. > They're about the highest I've ever seen. > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ========================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Fri Apr 18 09:36:04 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Fri Apr 18 09:36:18 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: help with corner rounder In-Reply-To: <004a01c8a158$83421840$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: We have this one and we love it, love it, love it. Its by far the best of the manual ones (I don't know if you can use/need an automated one). Round-cornering went from one of our most dreaded tasks to one everyone likes to do: http://tinyurl.com/4yf2zo Yes, I jumped on the tinyurl bandwagon. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > From: "Mike@arborprinting.com" > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:31:30 -0500 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: help with corner rounder > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have been doing quite a bit of corner rounding and sending it out. What > machines are you using who do it in house? > Thanks, > > > Michael Shuta > Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc > 630-969-2277 > www.arborprinting.com > mike@arborprinting.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Armand Girard" > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 3:01 PM > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Low cost credit card merchant program > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Those charges certainly are high. We process through NPC, which was bought >> out by Bank of America last year. Our fees are: >> >> >> 2.00 monthly statement charge >> .15 per transaction on Discover and Amex only (no fee for Visa or MC) >> 1.85% for qualifying charges >> 2.65% on non qualifying charges >> >> We have a $25.00 minimum charge requirement. However, we process enough >> transactions that we always meet the $25.00 minimum. >> >> >> Armand Girard >> Curry Printing & Mailing >> Auburn, ME 04210 >> >> armand@curryonline.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel >> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 3:37 PM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Low cost credit card merchant program >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Newtone wrote: >>> >>> The costs are minimal $12.95 per month >>> .30 per transaction >>> 2.9% discount on transactions >>> 3.27% discount on non qualifying, >> government or corporate >>> cards >>> chargeback $20 >>> ach reject fee $15 >> >> >> Those charges aren't exactly "minimal" Bob. >> They're about the highest I've ever seen. >> >> >> -- >> Michael Vogel >> Sir Speedy Printing >> 9 Research Drive >> Milford, CT 06460 >> tel 203-877-1231 >> fax 203-878-2679 >> mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com >> www.eSirSpeedy.com >> ========================================== >> Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to >> criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. >> ~Lord Bacon >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From acepm2 at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 09:43:18 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Fri Apr 18 09:43:26 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Earthquake! In-Reply-To: <41aa6a080804180546y4565a3a3ufc710aae1630128c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080418115027.8C386EDD998@rb.enter.net> <41aa6a080804180546y4565a3a3ufc710aae1630128c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Craig, Please send the iGen to me for safe keeping. We rarely have earthquakes and I don't want anything to happen to that machine!! Dennis, Just listen to Krista. You know she is one smart woman who will keep you straight. Kinda funny though, isn't it? .....thank goodness it was not much for you guys. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Dennis Trump wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > No problems here but it certainly was interesting. I was either awake > already or I woke up as a result of the earthquake. I don't think there > was > any damage at all other than a few bricks falling off a building but the > news will take that one small photo op and put it all across the country, > > Years ago my wife insisted we add earthquake coverage to our insurance > policy. I was against it but did it in the interest of marital harmony. We > still kid each other about it and this morning she was doing the "I told > you > so" routine. I promised her I would gather all of our claims today and be > on > the insurance office front steps when they opened. She'll probably let me > back in the house some time next week. Anyway I wonder how many of > us > have that rider on our policies. > > -- > Dennis Trump > Trump Direct > a print and direct mail communications company > Decatur IL > www.trumpdirect.com > trump@trumpdirect.com > 217.429.9001 > > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 6:55 AM, Craig Dellinger > wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Just wanted to check on our friends in Central Illinois. I couldn't > > believe > > we were having an earthquake this morning. We are probably 200 miles > from > > where it hit and our house was shaking a little. All our employees are > > talking about how their pets went nuts and things fell off shelves. The > > last > > time we felt an earthquake here was probably 20 years ago. I remember > that > > I > > was in the darkroom and the chemicals in the developing trays started > > having > > ripples. > > Anyway, I hope everyone is OK and there wasn't any damage. Please check > in > > Robin, Dennis, Stu, etc. > > > > Craig Dellinger > > New Haven Print & Copy > > 7531 US 930 East > > Fort Wayne, IN 46803 > > 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 > > www.newhavenprint.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From jenni at wrightprinting.com Fri Apr 18 09:53:18 2008 From: jenni at wrightprinting.com (Jenni Burgess) Date: Fri Apr 18 09:53:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] IR3220 Owners - (assuming Fiery) In-Reply-To: References: <000e01c89fef$4dd64fb0$6a01a8c0@phil> Message-ID: It's the ImagePass C1 and I do both of the calibrations before I use it each day. The crazy thing is it was working beautifully 6 to 8 months ago. -- Jenni * * * * jenni@wrightprinting.com ============================= Wright Printing Company 203 North St., P.O. Box 425 Normal, Illinois 61761 309 452-4409 -- fax 452-7422 ============================= From owner at latsons.com Fri Apr 18 09:54:48 2008 From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson) Date: Fri Apr 18 09:55:02 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail Shops In-Reply-To: <48079ca9.0610c00a.2cb4.46eb@mx.google.com> References: <48076276.5080208@mousegraphics.com> <48079ca9.0610c00a.2cb4.46eb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <200804181354.m3IDsnVn075984@pro35.abac.com> David, I would appreciate seeing what you have done, thanks. -Dick Latson At 01:53 PM 4/17/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Gail, > >We have done something similar to what you describe on one side of our >building and we also have >the perforated graphics on another side (on material called Vision graphics >- you can view from the inside). > >If anyone is interested in seeing this, I'll take a couple of photos- just >email me offline and I will send it to you. > Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com From inkspotpress at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 10:05:16 2008 From: inkspotpress at gmail.com (Peggi Price) Date: Fri Apr 18 10:05:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Word Docx files In-Reply-To: References: <2649FCD2-E26F-449D-8D21-DBA11F90B0AF@eos.net> Message-ID: <9885f8c0804180705g306fb6a9h8cb3ce487d04dacf@mail.gmail.com> Re: Opening .docx file I happened to get my first one yesterday for a business card order. I'm on a mac. I tried David's suggestion of text edit but that didn't work for me. The closest I could come to opening this was using stuffit expander to unzip it (I didn't have to change the file ending to do this) - that gave me a folder with a few other folders inside. Inside the "word" folder was, along with other things, a file called "document.xml". Opening up my web browser and going to "file" to "open" to "document.xml" I was able to access the text that was in the document. There was also a folder inside the "word" folder that contained a folder called "media" - that had the .pdf logo that was used in the document. I had already had the customer give me the logo and a print out from his computer of what he was trying to do and had reset the thing. I was just experimenting after the fact to see if I could get anywhere with it. I guess if it was something a little more extensive than a business card it would have been worth the trouble to access the keystrokes that way. Peggi Price Inkspot Press 4995 Main Street Manchester Center, VT 05255 and 736 Main Street Bennington, VT 05201 Phone: 802-362-1140 Email: inkspotpress@verizon.net From owner at latsons.com Fri Apr 18 10:07:32 2008 From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson) Date: Fri Apr 18 10:07:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail Shops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200804181407.m3IE7XRM092834@pro35.abac.com> Robin, We are very interested in this thread, thank you for starting it. One of our stores is on a main thoroughfare and we have some graphics on the window but are not proud of it. We have been wanting to do the window vinyl but our problem has been lack of creativity. We would love to see what others are doing. -Dick At 08:23 PM 4/16/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I would like to talk to those of you that have predominantly retail >shops or at least a 50-50 mix of commercial and walk-in business. >Anyone in a college atmosphere? >Also wondering what is possible with window graphics? I've seen some >vans that have a covering over the windows that allows driver and >passengers to see out, but you see a design or message from the outside. >???? > >Robin Niewold >Pro-Type Printing, Inc. >130 N. Market Street >Paxton, IL 60957 >217.379.4715 >robin@protypeonline.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com From jgross at techiowa.com Fri Apr 18 10:17:16 2008 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Fri Apr 18 10:17:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Earthquake! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004d01c8a15e$eb197110$1e00000a@tech.local> For those not aware, the New Madrid earthquake in 1812, in Northeastern Missouri was the largest to occur in the US in recorded history. The Midwest isn't immune from a big shaker. Note new email address: jagross@techiowa.com John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc Iowa City, Iowa 52240 techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Thom Gulyas Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 8:43 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Earthquake! ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Craig, Please send the iGen to me for safe keeping. We rarely have earthquakes and I don't want anything to happen to that machine!! Dennis, Just listen to Krista. You know she is one smart woman who will keep you straight. Kinda funny though, isn't it? .....thank goodness it was not much for you guys. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Dennis Trump wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > No problems here but it certainly was interesting. I was either awake > already or I woke up as a result of the earthquake. I don't think there > was > any damage at all other than a few bricks falling off a building but the > news will take that one small photo op and put it all across the country, > > Years ago my wife insisted we add earthquake coverage to our insurance > policy. I was against it but did it in the interest of marital harmony. We > still kid each other about it and this morning she was doing the "I told > you > so" routine. I promised her I would gather all of our claims today and be > on > the insurance office front steps when they opened. She'll probably let me > back in the house some time next week. Anyway I wonder how many of > us > have that rider on our policies. > > -- > Dennis Trump > Trump Direct > a print and direct mail communications company > Decatur IL > www.trumpdirect.com > trump@trumpdirect.com > 217.429.9001 > > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 6:55 AM, Craig Dellinger > wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Just wanted to check on our friends in Central Illinois. I couldn't > > believe > > we were having an earthquake this morning. We are probably 200 miles > from > > where it hit and our house was shaking a little. All our employees are > > talking about how their pets went nuts and things fell off shelves. The > > last > > time we felt an earthquake here was probably 20 years ago. I remember > that > > I > > was in the darkroom and the chemicals in the developing trays started > > having > > ripples. > > Anyway, I hope everyone is OK and there wasn't any damage. Please check > in > > Robin, Dennis, Stu, etc. > > > > Craig Dellinger > > New Haven Print & Copy > > 7531 US 930 East > > Fort Wayne, IN 46803 > > 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 > > www.newhavenprint.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Apr 18 10:33:23 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Apr 18 10:33:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Word Docx files In-Reply-To: <9885f8c0804180705g306fb6a9h8cb3ce487d04dacf@mail.gmail.com > References: <2649FCD2-E26F-449D-8D21-DBA11F90B0AF@eos.net> <9885f8c0804180705g306fb6a9h8cb3ce487d04dacf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200804181433.m3IEX5s5007022@i2bnetworks.com> or, you could just upgrade. http://tinyurl.com/ys4vmt what's your time worth? S. At 07:05 AM 4/18/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Re: Opening .docx file >I happened to get my first one yesterday for a business card order. I'm on a >mac. I tried David's suggestion of text edit but that didn't work for me. >The closest I could come to opening this was using stuffit expander to unzip >it (I didn't have to change the file ending to do this) - that gave me a >folder with a few other folders inside. Inside the "word" folder was, along >with other things, a file called "document.xml". Opening up my web browser >and going to "file" to "open" to "document.xml" I was able to access the >text that was in the document. There was also a folder inside the "word" >folder that contained a folder called "media" - that had the .pdf logo that >was used in the document. > >I had already had the customer give me the logo and a print out from his >computer of what he was trying to do and had reset the thing. I was just >experimenting after the fact to see if I could get anywhere with it. I guess >if it was something a little more extensive than a business card it would >have been worth the trouble to access the keystrokes that way. > >Peggi Price > >Inkspot Press >4995 Main Street >Manchester Center, VT 05255 >and >736 Main Street >Bennington, VT 05201 > >Phone: 802-362-1140 >Email: inkspotpress@verizon.net >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3038 (20080418) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From owner at latsons.com Fri Apr 18 10:44:55 2008 From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson) Date: Fri Apr 18 10:45:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail Shops In-Reply-To: <200804181354.m3IDsnVn075984@pro35.abac.com> References: <48076276.5080208@mousegraphics.com> <48079ca9.0610c00a.2cb4.46eb@mx.google.com> <200804181354.m3IDsnVn075984@pro35.abac.com> Message-ID: <200804181444.m3IEiueU040253@pro35.abac.com> My apology, I intended to send off list. -Dick >David, I would appreciate seeing what you have done, thanks. >-Dick Latson > > > >If anyone is interested in seeing this, I'll take a couple of photos- just >>email me offline and I will send it to you. Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com From k_graham at hotmail.com Fri Apr 18 10:50:18 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Fri Apr 18 10:50:32 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] IR3220 Owners - (assuming Fiery) References: <000e01c89fef$4dd64fb0$6a01a8c0@phil> Message-ID: Have you tried calibrating with paper that are less bright - this is one time a cheap bond and card may be better than an expensive paper as it may have no fluorescent brighteners. You can still print to the brighter papers but my experience (on Doc 240) is you can't use them for calibration. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenni Burgess" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] IR3220 Owners - (assuming Fiery) > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > It's the ImagePass C1 and I do both of the calibrations before I use it > each day. > The crazy thing is it was working beautifully 6 to 8 months ago. > -- > Jenni > * * * * > jenni@wrightprinting.com > > > ============================= > Wright Printing Company > 203 North St., P.O. Box 425 > Normal, Illinois 61761 > 309 452-4409 -- fax 452-7422 > ============================= > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From eugene at zapcolor.com Fri Apr 18 11:07:03 2008 From: eugene at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Fri Apr 18 11:07:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail shops - Window Graphics/wall graphics In-Reply-To: <20080418141738.9BF14EDE039@rb.enter.net> References: <20080418141738.9BF14EDE039@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <200804181507.m3IF73vj014544@pmail2540.carrierzone.com> We are in the process of doing artwork for our windows which face a very busy street and the freeway, so I would welcome any samples anyone has out there of large graphics you may have done. Also was at Rockville Printing yesterday and Ron showed us 3 of their shops, one of which needs graphics facing the Metro Line. Eugene On Apr 18, 2008, at 7:17 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > Robin, > We are very interested in this thread, thank you for starting > it. One of our stores is on a main thoroughfare and we have some > graphics on the window but are not proud of it. We have been wanting > to do the window vinyl but our problem has been lack of > creativity. We would love to see what others are doing. > -Dick > Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com Fri Apr 18 11:09:57 2008 From: s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com (Sonya Hughes) Date: Fri Apr 18 11:12:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Our Adobe Partnership In-Reply-To: <200804181407.m3IE7XRM092834@pro35.abac.com> References: <200804181407.m3IE7XRM092834@pro35.abac.com> Message-ID: Our Adobe Partnership contract is up for renewal, and we haven't heard from them. Is there something I've missed? Does anyone know if they are discontinuing? They're beginning to act like Microsoft! TIA, Sonya Hughes Legends Printing Dodge City, KS From k_graham at hotmail.com Fri Apr 18 11:13:08 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Fri Apr 18 11:13:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] IR3220 Owners - (assuming Fiery) References: <000e01c89fef$4dd64fb0$6a01a8c0@phil> Message-ID: If you can print out a date of last calibration check it as well. Our old CLC2400 with Fiery had a time when it refused to accept the calibration, it wouldn't show a new date of calibration. I think the hard drive died about that time on it. If you can reset to a factory default calibration, check it and start from there it may be useful as well. As always the copier should be in same state before calibration, able to make a good copy, as yours is having troubles you might want to get a copy from someone else using a calibration sheet with photos like the one I left on the other group, with wedding photos, then if better tell your serviceman to equal the quality. I found this necessary with Ikon as they use the silly Canon butterfly test chart - who knows what a butterfly looks like. I figure the only use of the butterfly test chart is to con the end user into thinking the machine has been adjusted. However I've used a wedding photo after and seen much variation. Its much harder for them to replicate the Grays on a light white wedding dress and match the skin tones at the same time. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 From eugene at zapcolor.com Fri Apr 18 11:14:20 2008 From: eugene at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Fri Apr 18 11:14:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Back from our visit with the Pope & Ron Dobransky In-Reply-To: <20080418141738.9BF14EDE039@rb.enter.net> References: <20080418141738.9BF14EDE039@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <200804181514.m3IFELbh019391@mail2527.carrierzone.com> Well we arrived late last night after being in DC for a few days & our trip was memorable, on Tues we went on a regular White House tour, then Wed. we arrived at the White House at 7:30am to see the Pope on the South Lawn, along with over 13,000 other "select" people. It was orderly BUT we couldn't see much, as it turns out there are ALOT of very tall people in this country and they were ALL standing in front of us! My camera was able to see and once the President, First Lady and Pope went to the balcony, we could see as everyone sang happy birthday. Once people were leaving we were able to get to the White House and get some photos of Paula and myself, so that was pretty neat. BUT the highlight of our trip was definitely the tour Ron gave us of 3 of their print shops yesterday. Thanks to Ron for the great tour and seeing the huge variety of equipment they have from letterpress to 6 color presses. I guess we have to get back to work today, I will post some photos from our trip over the weekend. Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From chris at mmgraphicsandmail.com Fri Apr 18 11:16:46 2008 From: chris at mmgraphicsandmail.com (=?utf-8?B?Q2hyaXMgQ29jaHJhbg==?=) Date: Fri Apr 18 11:17:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Our Adobe Partnership In-Reply-To: References: <200804181407.m3IE7XRM092834@pro35.abac.com> Message-ID: <708061252-1208531817-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-837124507-@bxe029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Just follow the directions to renew. I did it yesterday no problem. Chris Cochran Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Sonya Hughes Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:09:57 To:Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Our Adobe Partnership ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Our Adobe Partnership contract is up for renewal, and we haven't heard from them. Is there something I've missed? Does anyone know if they are discontinuing? They're beginning to act like Microsoft! TIA, Sonya Hughes Legends Printing Dodge City, KS _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From info at desktopsxm.com Fri Apr 18 11:28:32 2008 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Fri Apr 18 11:26:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Our Adobe Partnership In-Reply-To: References: <200804181407.m3IE7XRM092834@pro35.abac.com> Message-ID: <94C457FD-07A0-4DF6-9A9C-0330908C5B4C@desktopsxm.com> we heard from them a few days ago regarding our renewal but then i fall under their European office, although the email could have come from anywhere. Once before I even had to go through their office in Asia somewhere. Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten Tel 542-4044 fax 543-1100 "The Printshop with a Difference" On Apr 18, 2008, at 11:09 AM, Sonya Hughes wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Our Adobe Partnership contract is up for renewal, and we haven't > heard from them. Is there something I've missed? Does anyone know > if they are discontinuing? They're beginning to act like Microsoft! > TIA, > Sonya Hughes > Legends Printing > Dodge City, KS > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From char at themasterspress.com Fri Apr 18 11:27:36 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Fri Apr 18 11:27:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Our Adobe Partnership In-Reply-To: References: <200804181407.m3IE7XRM092834@pro35.abac.com> Message-ID: <007e01c8a168$bb4f0d50$0b01a8c0@CharXP> We did not hear from them either. It popped up on our calendar and we finally just renewed. ch Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Sonya Hughes Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 10:10 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Our Adobe Partnership ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Our Adobe Partnership contract is up for renewal, and we haven't heard from them. Is there something I've missed? Does anyone know if they are discontinuing? They're beginning to act like Microsoft! TIA, Sonya Hughes Legends Printing Dodge City, KS _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3038 (20080418) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3038 (20080418) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3038 (20080418) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Fri Apr 18 11:31:24 2008 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Fri Apr 18 11:32:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Our Adobe Partnership In-Reply-To: References: <200804181407.m3IE7XRM092834@pro35.abac.com> Message-ID: We got notification a couple of days after our term expired. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Sonya Hughes Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 10:10 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Our Adobe Partnership ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Our Adobe Partnership contract is up for renewal, and we haven't heard from them. Is there something I've missed? Does anyone know if they are discontinuing? They're beginning to act like Microsoft! TIA, Sonya Hughes Legends Printing Dodge City, KS _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.09520 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From jenni at wrightprinting.com Fri Apr 18 11:45:01 2008 From: jenni at wrightprinting.com (Jenni Burgess) Date: Fri Apr 18 11:45:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] IR3220 Owners - (assuming Fiery) In-Reply-To: References: <000e01c89fef$4dd64fb0$6a01a8c0@phi l> Message-ID: Thanks Ken! I'll check that avenue out and see if that gets us any where. -- Jenni * * * * jenni@wrightprinting.com ============================= Wright Printing Company 203 North St., P.O. Box 425 Normal, Illinois 61761 309 452-4409 -- fax 452-7422 ============================= From robin at protypeonline.com Fri Apr 18 11:45:42 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Fri Apr 18 11:45:47 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Earthquake! Message-ID: Hey Craig! All is well with me. Loda, IL at 4:40am and lots of shaking but nothing broken in terms of windows, etc. Our house has a wood foundation, not concrete, so it would "give" a little if necessary. INTERESTING to say the very least. I'm visiting Stu today and all looks well here.....he can tell you himself when he arrives! I thought I got to work late in the day!!!! :) Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From sos at olympus.net Fri Apr 18 12:23:56 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Apr 18 12:26:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Back from our visit with the Pope & Ron Dobransky References: <20080418141738.9BF14EDE039@rb.enter.net> <200804181514.m3IFELbh019391@mail2527.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <007f01c8a170$9a14c280$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eugene Montanez" at 7:30am to see the Pope on > the South Lawn, along with over 13,000 other "select" people. > It was orderly BUT we couldn't see much, as it turns out there are ALOT > of very tall people in this country and they were ALL standing in front > of us! ====================== I read the other day, the average Catholic has a much better chance of winning the lottery than they do of meeting the Pope. At least you got close. I actually had dinner at the White House once when my dad was president of the Washington state association of county officials. (WACO, isn't that a great name?) Us and 49 other presidents and their families. Several hundred people. LBJ was the guy then and I did get to shake his hand and Lady Bird and one of the daughters. Miss Maryland was there too! What I really remember though was a big fat guy smoking a cigar who stuck it in my little brother's arm and gave him a bit of a burn. The jerk. I was 11 at the time. Our congressman met us at the Capitol building and gave us the insiders tour as well. Quite a trip for a little farm boy. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From paula at curryprint.com Fri Apr 18 12:39:09 2008 From: paula at curryprint.com (Paula Smith) Date: Fri Apr 18 12:40:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail shops - Window Graphics/wall graphics In-Reply-To: <200804181507.m3IF73vj014544@pmail2540.carrierzone.com> References: <20080418141738.9BF14EDE039@rb.enter.net> <200804181507.m3IF73vj014544@pmail2540.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <048001c8a172$baf967b0$9701a8c0@curry.local> If I remember correctly, and apropos of nothing in particular, I believe that Rockville Printing was founded by none other than our very own John Stewart. Paula Smith Curry Printing & Copy Center 314 North Charles Street Baltimore, Maryland 21201 410.685.2679 410.685.1018 fax www.curryprint.com paula@curryprint.com "IMPOSSIBLE DEADLINES MET" > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Montanez > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 11:07 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail shops - Window Graphics/wall graphics > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are in the process of doing artwork for our windows which face a > very busy street and the freeway, so I would welcome any samples > anyone has out there of large graphics you may have done. > > Also was at Rockville Printing yesterday and Ron showed us 3 of their > shops, one of which needs graphics facing the Metro Line. > > Eugene > > > On Apr 18, 2008, at 7:17 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > > Robin, > > We are very interested in this thread, thank you for starting > > it. One of our stores is on a main thoroughfare and we have some > > graphics on the window but are not proud of it. We have been wanting > > to do the window vinyl but our problem has been lack of > > creativity. We would love to see what others are doing. > > -Dick > > > > Eugene Montanez > ZAP Printing & Graphics > 127 Radio Rd > Corona, CA 92879 > 951-734-8181 > > Zapit@zapcolor.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From tammie at macombprinter.com Fri Apr 18 13:09:18 2008 From: tammie at macombprinter.com (Tammie at Quick Print & Signs) Date: Fri Apr 18 13:09:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Earthquake! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I didn't feel it at 4:40 a.m. (I was sleeping), and we didn't see any signs of anything wrong. Our press person said she felt it. She was barely sleeping. I did feel the one that hit at 10:15 this morning. I haven't heard anything about it, but I checked an earthquake website, and indeed there was one then. I'll bet the California people are making fun of us. Kinda like we do of them when they complain because it is 50 degrees. Tammie Tammie Speer ---------------------------------- Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ QUICK PRINT & SIGNS __________________________________ 1120 East Jackson Street Macomb, IL 61455 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Robin Niewold stated on 4/18/08 10:45 AM from robin@protypeonline.com > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hey Craig! > All is well with me. Loda, IL at 4:40am and lots of shaking but > nothing broken in terms of windows, etc. Our house has a wood > foundation, not concrete, so it would "give" a little if necessary. > INTERESTING to say the very least. I'm visiting Stu today and all > looks well here.....he can tell you himself when he arrives! I thought > I got to work late in the day!!!! > :) > Robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From david.doost at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 13:49:36 2008 From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost) Date: Fri Apr 18 13:49:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail shops - Window Graphics/wall graphics In-Reply-To: <048001c8a172$baf967b0$9701a8c0@curry.local> References: <20080418141738.9BF14EDE039@rb.enter.net> <200804181507.m3IF73vj014544@pmail2540.carrierzone.com> <048001c8a172$baf967b0$9701a8c0@curry.local> Message-ID: <4808df2c.0807c00a.0598.1ca6@mx.google.com> On this same topic another item that might interest those that are looking into this... There is a relatively new trend that is already being deployed in some markets that will probably come your way soon if it hasn't already. They are called Dynamic Displays or Digital Signage. Think LED signs but in full color, on steroids and fully programmable via web browsers so you can change the info from anywhere at any time! This can be added as complementary to the other signage. It looks like simple big screen TV monitors put side by side but it is much more than that. We are just starting to look into this to learn more about it. You can broadcast your message/ad unto these monitors and mix it with other information if I understand it correctly. There was a nice article about it recently in Digital Output magazine: http://www.digitaloutput.net/Content/ContentCT.asp?P=1121 You can see some example photos at: (look in particular at the one done for ING Direct retail windows in Chicago) http://www.risevision.com/customers.html David Doost Printing Impression Kennesaw, GA 30144 770-422-8766 > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Montanez > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 11:07 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail shops - Window Graphics/wall graphics > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are in the process of doing artwork for our windows which face a > very busy street and the freeway, so I would welcome any samples > anyone has out there of large graphics you may have done. > > Also was at Rockville Printing yesterday and Ron showed us 3 of their > shops, one of which needs graphics facing the Metro Line. > > Eugene > > > On Apr 18, 2008, at 7:17 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > > Robin, > > We are very interested in this thread, thank you for starting > > it. One of our stores is on a main thoroughfare and we have some > > graphics on the window but are not proud of it. We have been wanting > > to do the window vinyl but our problem has been lack of > > creativity. We would love to see what others are doing. > > -Dick > > > > Eugene Montanez > ZAP Printing & Graphics > 127 Radio Rd > Corona, CA 92879 > 951-734-8181 > > Zapit@zapcolor.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From tammie at macombprinter.com Fri Apr 18 14:07:13 2008 From: tammie at macombprinter.com (Tammie at Quick Print & Signs) Date: Fri Apr 18 14:07:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail shops - Window Graphics/wall graphics In-Reply-To: <200804181507.m3IF73vj014544@pmail2540.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: We are on a very busy street (for our area), cars go by at about 40 mph (speed limit is 30). It is a four lane with a center turn lane, so they seem to go by very quickly. Anyway, about a year ago or so, we started putting 8' x 3' banners out front. They would have something simple like "Color Copies", "Business Cards", "Signs & Banners", but people really noticed them. The last one we had up was for business cards. We were wanting them to come in to get business cards so we could sell them more stuff, and I feel that it was successful. Using the 8' x 3' banners has also increased the sale of 8 x 3 vinyl banners. People come in and they usually don't know what size of banner they want. We point outside to our banners, tell them what size they are, then they will order that size if they really want their banner to stand out. Of course, you have to have a decent front yard to put the banners up. Tammie Tammie Speer, owner **************** Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ______________________________ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com/ A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ Or call for a FREE CD full of information. ______________________________ Eugene Montanez stated on 4/18/08 10:07 AM from eugene@zapcolor.com > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are in the process of doing artwork for our windows which face a > very busy street and the freeway, so I would welcome any samples > anyone has out there of large graphics you may have done. > > Also was at Rockville Printing yesterday and Ron showed us 3 of their > shops, one of which needs graphics facing the Metro Line. > > Eugene > > > On Apr 18, 2008, at 7:17 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: >> Robin, >> We are very interested in this thread, thank you for starting >> it. One of our stores is on a main thoroughfare and we have some >> graphics on the window but are not proud of it. We have been wanting >> to do the window vinyl but our problem has been lack of >> creativity. We would love to see what others are doing. >> -Dick >>> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Fri Apr 18 14:41:01 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Fri Apr 18 14:41:12 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Litigation Support In-Reply-To: <4808df2c.0807c00a.0598.1ca6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Does anyone dabble in litigation support? Scanning and bates stamping documents, blowback, etc? I have a history in lit support, so I know a lot about the industry, and we do a little work, but am considering ramping up and marketing these services. I would love to hear about anyone's experiences in the arena, but more specifically want a way to blowback volumes of documents (print hundreds of PDFs, in order, even though they may be in different sub folders. Any luck? Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com From ron at printingconcepts.com Fri Apr 18 14:41:20 2008 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Fri Apr 18 14:41:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] end of Windows XP Message-ID: Microsoft announced that they will no longer sell Windows XP on any new machines, but will continue with their plan to foist Vista down our throats. We tried Vista and found no good reason to change and plenty of reasons not to change. Even if Vista was an improvement, fortunately, XP satisfies everything we are doing and the small incremental improvement wouldn't be worth "falling back down the learning curve". Well, Vista doesn't even look like a small incremental improvement to me. Anyway, I was wondering if you have a strategy for staying XP in the future? We probably have 40 PC's in this place and we need to map out a plan to keep us in the XP world for as long as possible. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From copythatnyc at aol.com Fri Apr 18 14:47:34 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Fri Apr 18 14:47:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail shops - Window Graphics/wall graphics In-Reply-To: <4808df2c.0807c00a.0598.1ca6@mx.google.com> References: <20080418141738.9BF14EDE039@rb.enter.net> <200804181507.m3IF73vj014544@pmail2540.carrierzone.com> <048001c8a172$baf967b0$9701a8c0@curry.local> <4808df2c.0807c00a.0598.1ca6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8CA6F9BCCFF90FF-15CC-1365@WEBMAIL-MA10.sysops.aol.com> We have two store fronts in that have that system on their windows.? One has a bus stop near it.? The other?depends on?passerby's.? What I noticed, the one that was near bus stop got more attention then the other.? Funny thing is the one by the bus stop is an auto insurance provider.? : )? No Help there.? I do see a future market for that type of media, but more for the indoor large departments stores showing different lines & products.? Not for the small businesses. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: David Doost To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 1:49 pm Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Retail shops - Window Graphics/wall graphics ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On this same topic another item that might interest those that are looking into this... There is a relatively new trend that is already being deployed in some markets that will probably come your way soon if it hasn't already. They are called Dynamic Displays or Digital Signage. Think LED signs but in full color, on steroids and fully programmable via web browsers so you can change the info from anywhere at any time! This can be added as complementary to the other signage. It looks like simple big screen TV monitors put side by side but it is much more than that. We are just starting to look into this to learn more about it. You can broadcast your message/ad unto these monitors and mix it with other information if I understand it correctly. There was a nice article about it recently in Digital Output magazine: http://www.digitaloutput.net/Content/ContentCT.asp?P=1121 You can see some example photos at: (look in particular at the one done for ING Direct retail windows in Chicago) http://www.risevision.com/customers.html David Doost Printing Impression Kennesaw, GA 30144 770-422-8766 > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Montanez > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 11:07 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Retail shops - Window Graphics/wall graphics > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are in the process of doing artwork for our windows which face a > very busy street and the freeway, so I would welcome any samples > anyone has out there of large graphics you may have done. > > Also was at Rockville Printing yesterday and Ron showed us 3 of their > shops, one of which needs graphics facing the Metro Line. > > Eugene > > > On Apr 18, 2008, at 7:17 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > > Robin, > > We are very interested in this thread, thank you for starting > > it. One of our stores is on a main thoroughfare and we have some > > graphics on the window but are not proud of it. We have been wanting > > to do the window vinyl but our problem has been lack of > > creativity. We would love to see what others are doing. > > -Dick > > > > Eugene Montanez > ZAP Printing & Graphics > 127 Radio Rd > Corona, CA 92879 > 951-734-8181 > > Zapit@zapcolor.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Fri Apr 18 14:52:23 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Fri Apr 18 14:52:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] end of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA6F9C7901F070-15CC-13A3@WEBMAIL-MA10.sysops.aol.com> Ron don't you just love the way Microsoft runs their business.? I wish I can tell my clients, nope you have to use our stock...PERIOD!? Any now here is my bill. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Ron Taggart To: printowners Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 2:41 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] end of Windows XP ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Microsoft announced that they will no longer sell Windows XP on any new machines, but will continue with their plan to foist Vista down our throats. We tried Vista and found no good reason to change and plenty of reasons not to change. Even if Vista was an improvement, fortunately, XP satisfies everything we are doing and the small incremental improvement wouldn't be worth "falling back down the learning curve". Well, Vista doesn't even look like a small incremental improvement to me. Anyway, I was wondering if you have a strategy for staying XP in the future? We probably have 40 PC's in this place and we need to map out a plan to keep us in the XP world for as long as possible. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From markath1 at verizon.net Fri Apr 18 14:54:31 2008 From: markath1 at verizon.net (Rick Martin) Date: Fri Apr 18 14:55:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] end of Windows XP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c8a185$a6786710$640a0a0a@advanced8l9v8x> Perhaps copies of all these petitions should go to people like Dell, Gateway etc with comments that we are all putting of PC purchases until the next version of windows comes out. Congress is trying to keep us out of a "recession", maybe someone knows someone.... I'm sure they wouldn't mind passing a "consumer friendly" law to make Microsoft keep it available. Just a thought. Rick Martin Advanced Print & Copy 229 Memorial Avenue W Springfield, MA 01089 413-736-9808 markath1@verizon.net www.advancedprintandcopy.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 2:41 PM To: printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] end of Windows XP ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Microsoft announced that they will no longer sell Windows XP on any new machines, but will continue with their plan to foist Vista down our throats. We tried Vista and found no good reason to change and plenty of reasons not to change. Even if Vista was an improvement, fortunately, XP satisfies everything we are doing and the small incremental improvement wouldn't be worth "falling back down the learning curve". Well, Vista doesn't even look like a small incremental improvement to me. Anyway, I was wondering if you have a strategy for staying XP in the future? We probably have 40 PC's in this place and we need to map out a plan to keep us in the XP world for as long as possible. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 14:55:11 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri Apr 18 14:55:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] end of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0804181155t6b3a47ces935b9768671bacf0@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Ron Taggart wrote: > > Anyway, I was wondering if you have a strategy for staying XP in the future? > We probably have 40 PC's in this place and we need to map out a plan to keep > us in the XP world for as long as possible. You can help save XP. About the demise of XP and the attempt to save it: http://tinyurl.com/65k57l The petition to save XP: http://tinyurl.com/6l2zf2 -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ========================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From scott at usacolor.com Fri Apr 18 14:56:54 2008 From: scott at usacolor.com (scott) Date: Fri Apr 18 14:57:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] end of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <8CA6F9C7901F070-15CC-13A3@WEBMAIL-MA10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA6F9C7901F070-15CC-13A3@WEBMAIL-MA10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4808EEF6.1000006@usacolor.com> One way is to use dummy terminals, like ncomputing. They allow you to run up to 10 users at the same time off one computer. We have 10 here and I love using them, they make adding a station so much faster along with the relief of keeping only 1 computer current versus 10. Scott Balsiger, President USA Color Printing Inc. www.usacolor.com 791 Mahnomen Dr. Bemidji, MN 56601 800-759-9126 218-759-9126 218-759-2883(fax) 218-556-5505(cell) Tommy Melendez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Ron don't you just love the way Microsoft runs their business.? I wish I can tell my clients, nope you have to use our stock...PERIOD!? Any now here is my bill. > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Taggart > To: printowners > Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 2:41 pm > Subject: [PrintOwners] end of Windows XP > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Microsoft announced that they will no longer sell Windows XP on any new > machines, but will continue with their plan to foist Vista down our throats. > > We tried Vista and found no good reason to change and plenty of reasons not > to change. Even if Vista was an improvement, fortunately, XP satisfies > everything we are doing and the small incremental improvement wouldn't be > worth "falling back down the learning curve". Well, Vista doesn't even look > like a small incremental improvement to me. > > Anyway, I was wondering if you have a strategy for staying XP in the future? > We probably have 40 PC's in this place and we need to map out a plan to keep > us in the XP world for as long as possible. > > > > > > Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below > should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a > statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general > edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. > > If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you > really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis > > People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham > > The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego > ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the > pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell > > > > > Ron Taggart, President > PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. > 4246 Hudson Drive > Stow, Ohio 44224 > 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 > www.printingconcepts.com > ron@printingconcepts.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From rstor at copycats.com Fri Apr 18 14:58:45 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Fri Apr 18 14:59:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] end of Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4808EF65.3040609@copycats.com> Ron, They are still providing support for a few more years and you can still buy a vista machine and "downgrade" to XP. http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/04/14/microsoft.xp.ap/index.html?referer=sphere_related_content&referer=sphere_related_content Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Ron Taggart wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Microsoft announced that they will no longer sell Windows XP on any new > machines, but will continue with their plan to foist Vista down our throats. > > We tried Vista and found no good reason to change and plenty of reasons not > to change. Even if Vista was an improvement, fortunately, XP satisfies > everything we are doing and the small incremental improvement wouldn't be > worth "falling back down the learning curve". Well, Vista doesn't even look > like a small incremental improvement to me. > > Anyway, I was wondering if you have a strategy for staying XP in the future? > We probably have 40 PC's in this place and we need to map out a plan to keep > us in the XP world for as long as possible. > > > > > > Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below > should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a > statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general > edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. > > If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you > really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis > > People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham > > The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego > ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the > pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell > > > > > Ron Taggart, President > PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. > 4246 Hudson Drive > Stow, Ohio 44224 > 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 > www.printingconcepts.com > ron@printingconcepts.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From copythatnyc at aol.com Fri Apr 18 15:02:55 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Fri Apr 18 15:03:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] end of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <000001c8a185$a6786710$640a0a0a@advanced8l9v8x> Message-ID: <8CA6F9DF1E96811-15CC-142A@WEBMAIL-MA10.sysops.aol.com> I sure he(GATES) has plenty of lobbists that will prevent that from stopping him.? A few?behind the pockets filled.? eg... pay-off's? But SIGN ME UP!!!! : ) Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Rick Martin To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 2:54 pm Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] end of Windows XP ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Perhaps copies of all these petitions should go to people like Dell, Gateway etc with comments that we are all putting of PC purchases until the next version of windows comes out. Congress is trying to keep us out of a "recession", maybe someone knows someone.... I'm sure they wouldn't mind passing a "consumer friendly" law to make Microsoft keep it available. Just a thought. Rick Martin Advanced Print & Copy 229 Memorial Avenue W Springfield, MA 01089 413-736-9808 markath1@verizon.net www.advancedprintandcopy.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 2:41 PM To: printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] end of Windows XP ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Microsoft announced that they will no longer sell Windows XP on any new machines, but will continue with their plan to foist Vista down our throats. We tried Vista and found no good reason to change and plenty of reasons not to change. Even if Vista was an improvement, fortunately, XP satisfies everything we are doing and the small incremental improvement wouldn't be worth "falling back down the learning curve". Well, Vista doesn't even look like a small incremental improvement to me. Anyway, I was wondering if you have a strategy for staying XP in the future? We probably have 40 PC's in this place and we need to map out a plan to keep us in the XP world for as long as possible. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From stumarty at wrightprinting.com Fri Apr 18 15:03:26 2008 From: stumarty at wrightprinting.com (Stu) Date: Fri Apr 18 15:04:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Earthquake! In-Reply-To: <20080418115027.8C386EDD998@rb.enter.net> References: <20080418115027.8C386EDD998@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: On or about 7:55 AM -0400 4/18/08, Craig Dellinger emailed the following: >Anyway, I hope everyone is OK and there wasn't any damage. Please check in >Robin, Dennis, Stu, etc. Everything's fine here. I felt the tremor, and I honestly knew right away (or thought right away) it was an earthquake. The last time I experienced one, I thought the furnace was acting up? I guess because it is the largest appliance in the house, so it got blamed. -just old stu- -- =============== SETTING IT WRIGHT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I wondered why the NEO was getting bigger. Then it hit me. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com From slb at inkspot.net Fri Apr 18 15:04:53 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Apr 18 15:05:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Litigation Support In-Reply-To: References: <4808df2c.0807c00a.0598.1ca6@mx.google.com>, Message-ID: <4808B895.4123.975512A@slb.inkspot.net> Mark Roberts, at Pro Copy, in Omaha (he of the original ffriday ffunnies, if you remember that far back), used to do a lot of this. He even developed and marketed a software package for managing litigation support. I heard that he sold the software company, so I'm not sure how "retired" he is, but he'd probably be a great resource if he's still around and willing.... HTH, Steve > > Does anyone dabble in litigation support? Scanning and bates stamping > documents, blowback, etc? I have a history in lit support, so I know a lot > about the industry, and we do a little work, but am considering ramping up > and marketing these services. I would love to hear about anyone's > experiences in the arena, but more specifically want a way to blowback > volumes of documents (print hundreds of PDFs, in order, even though they may > be in different sub folders. Any luck? > > > Borzou Azabdaftari > Falcon Print and Copy > 1921 Gallows Road > Suite 150 > Vienna, VA 22182 > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3038 (20080418) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From slb at inkspot.net Fri Apr 18 15:07:54 2008 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Apr 18 15:08:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] end of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0804181155t6b3a47ces935b9768671bacf0@mail.gmail.com> References: , <98f5b19a0804181155t6b3a47ces935b9768671bacf0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4808B94A.27063.978131A@slb.inkspot.net> I know a Windows license used to allow installing an older version. If that's still the case, you should be able to buy a Vista license, and install XP instead. As long as you still have XP install disks around, you should be fine until support ends in a few years. If that's not sufficient, perhaps you could consider Linux. Steve > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Ron Taggart wrote: > > > > Anyway, I was wondering if you have a strategy for staying XP in the future? > > We probably have 40 PC's in this place and we need to map out a plan to keep > > us in the XP world for as long as possible. > > You can help save XP. > > About the demise of XP and the attempt to save it: > http://tinyurl.com/65k57l > > The petition to save XP: > http://tinyurl.com/6l2zf2 > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ========================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3038 (20080418) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From jgross at techiowa.com Fri Apr 18 15:32:19 2008 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Fri Apr 18 15:32:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c8a18a$eb7066b0$1e00000a@tech.local> testing Note new email address: jagross@techiowa.com John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc Iowa City, Iowa 52240 techiowa.com From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Fri Apr 18 15:39:48 2008 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Fri Apr 18 15:39:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] end of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <4808B94A.27063.978131A@slb.inkspot.net> References: , <98f5b19a0804181155t6b3a47ces935b9768671bacf0@mail.gmail.com> <4808B94A.27063.978131A@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <4808F904.6070209@sugarloafprint.com> Dell is still selling computers with XP installed, I just ordered one yesterday. -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From awbunny at earthlink.net Fri Apr 18 16:03:00 2008 From: awbunny at earthlink.net (Amy Watson) Date: Fri Apr 18 16:03:10 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: help with corner rounder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We stuck with Lassco. The dies are interchangeable between all the models. If you are doing 10 to 100 the tabletop is good. We got a foot operated one as we did more (got it on ebay). It has a foot lever that hurt my back on long runs (500-1000). We got the electric one from a local letterpress shop (500.00) that is very easy to use for longer runs. We didn't want to invest much money in a big machine but wanted to keep the dies as we traded up. The quality is pretty good for such a small price on the dies (about 85.00). We round corners on books one at a time and business cards about a 1/4 inch at a time. Richard Northam 1984 PRINTING 674 23rd Street Oakland, CA 94612 510.551.7209 richard@1984printing.com www.1984printing.com On Apr 18, 2008, at 6:36 AM, Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have this one and we love it, love it, love it. Its by far the > best of > the manual ones (I don't know if you can use/need an automated one). > Round-cornering went from one of our most dreaded tasks to one > everyone > likes to do: > > http://tinyurl.com/4yf2zo > > Yes, I jumped on the tinyurl bandwagon. > > Borzou Azabdaftari > Falcon Print and Copy > 1921 Gallows Road > Suite 150 > Vienna, VA 22182 > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > > >> From: "Mike@arborprinting.com" >> Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:31:30 -0500 >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: help with corner rounder >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> We have been doing quite a bit of corner rounding and sending it >> out. What >> machines are you using who do it in house? >> Thanks, >> >> >> Michael Shuta >> Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc >> 630-969-2277 >> www.arborprinting.com >> mike@arborprinting.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Armand Girard" >> To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 3:01 PM >> Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Low cost credit card merchant program >> >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Those charges certainly are high. We process through NPC, which >>> was bought >>> out by Bank of America last year. Our fees are: >>> >>> >>> 2.00 monthly statement charge >>> .15 per transaction on Discover and Amex only (no fee for Visa or >>> MC) >>> 1.85% for qualifying charges >>> 2.65% on non qualifying charges >>> >>> We have a $25.00 minimum charge requirement. However, we process >>> enough >>> transactions that we always meet the $25.00 minimum. >>> >>> >>> Armand Girard >>> Curry Printing & Mailing >>> Auburn, ME 04210 >>> >>> armand@curryonline.com >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >>> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel >>> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 3:37 PM >>> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >>> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Low cost credit card merchant program >>> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Newtone wrote: >>>> >>>> The costs are minimal $12.95 per month >>>> .30 per transaction >>>> 2.9% discount on transactions >>>> 3.27% discount on non qualifying, >>> government or corporate >>>> cards >>>> chargeback $20 >>>> ach reject fee $15 >>> >>> >>> Those charges aren't exactly "minimal" Bob. >>> They're about the highest I've ever seen. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Michael Vogel >>> Sir Speedy Printing >>> 9 Research Drive >>> Milford, CT 06460 >>> tel 203-877-1231 >>> fax 203-878-2679 >>> mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com >>> www.eSirSpeedy.com >>> ========================================== >>> Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to >>> criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. >>> ~Lord Bacon >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From sos at olympus.net Fri Apr 18 16:21:44 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Apr 18 16:24:00 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rant References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com><008301c89e79$5b459f60$800101df@eprint.local><013601c89e83$8d730950$6401a8c0@corapurvine> <00cb01c89f38$9d2ff550$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <017e01c8a191$d1e9a7e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Don't read this is you don't want to. This has just been a heck of a week. The press will not feed 70 lb. offset no matter what I do. (thanks to those who offered advice) The platemaker is down, techs have been here for 3 days, no plates. The collator/booklet maker came to a screeching halt this morning. The cutter quit working, since fixed. One good thing. The phones have been cutting out this morning, CC charges not going through. The work is piling up with no way to get it done. We've been trying, really trying to use PrintSmith the last two weeks. But it is total chaos, my bookkeeper is going back to Peachtree for invoicing. No one knows what jobs have been paid, or charged, or what's going on. If one more thing goes wrong, just one more thing, I'm over the edge, I'm out of here. I just can't live my life in total complete chaos with customer wondering where on earth their jobs are, and employees just shrugging and going out to lunch, and technicians installing $3,000 board after $3000 board after board with no results. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From russ at mobile-print.com Fri Apr 18 16:28:12 2008 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Fri Apr 18 16:28:17 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: help with corner rounder In-Reply-To: <004a01c8a158$83421840$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> References: <00eb01c8a0b2$35760910$34e50641@bills4drj3ddzy> <98f5b19a0804171237w635e4386hba42d1a025b7c5e@mail.gmail.com> <002a01c8a0c5$da29e7c0$8e7db740$@com> <004a01c8a158$83421840$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <4809045C.5060509@mobile-print.com> We used a Challenge drill with a round corner attachment for many years. It works OK, but you have to cut small lifts - about 1/2" or so. We just bought an actual Challenge round cornerer. Very nice! We now do full 2" lifts!! Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com Mike@arborprinting.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have been doing quite a bit of corner rounding and sending it out. > What machines are you using who do it in house? > Thanks, > > > Michael Shuta > Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc > 630-969-2277 > www.arborprinting.com > mike@arborprinting.com > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Armand Girard" > > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 3:01 PM > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Low cost credit card merchant program > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Those charges certainly are high. We process through NPC, which was >> bought >> out by Bank of America last year. Our fees are: >> >> >> 2.00 monthly statement charge >> .15 per transaction on Discover and Amex only (no fee for Visa or MC) >> 1.85% for qualifying charges >> 2.65% on non qualifying charges >> >> We have a $25.00 minimum charge requirement. However, we process enough >> transactions that we always meet the $25.00 minimum. >> >> >> Armand Girard >> Curry Printing & Mailing >> Auburn, ME 04210 >> >> armand@curryonline.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel >> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 3:37 PM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Low cost credit card merchant program >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Newtone wrote: >>> >>> The costs are minimal $12.95 per month >>> .30 per transaction >>> 2.9% discount on transactions >>> 3.27% discount on non qualifying, >> government or corporate >>> cards >>> chargeback $20 >>> ach reject fee $15 >> >> >> Those charges aren't exactly "minimal" Bob. >> They're about the highest I've ever seen. >> >> >> -- >> Michael Vogel >> Sir Speedy Printing >> 9 Research Drive >> Milford, CT 06460 >> tel 203-877-1231 >> fax 203-878-2679 >> mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com >> www.eSirSpeedy.com >> ========================================== >> Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to >> criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. >> ~Lord Bacon >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From mike at arborprinting.com Fri Apr 18 16:30:51 2008 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Fri Apr 18 16:28:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rant References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com><008301c89e79$5b459f60$800101df@eprint.local><013601c89e83$8d730950$6401a8c0@corapurvine><00cb01c89f38$9d2ff550$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <017e01c8a191$d1e9a7e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <019701c8a193$185160f0$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Holy shit. I thought I was having a bad week. Hang in there man, it will smooth out, it always does. Sometimes things just pile up all at once. You'll make it. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com mike@arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Huntingford" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Rant > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Don't read this is you don't want to. > This has just been a heck of a week. > The press will not feed 70 lb. offset no matter what I do. (thanks to > those who offered advice) > The platemaker is down, techs have been here for 3 days, no plates. > The collator/booklet maker came to a screeching halt this morning. > The cutter quit working, since fixed. One good thing. > The phones have been cutting out this morning, CC charges not going > through. > The work is piling up with no way to get it done. > We've been trying, really trying to use PrintSmith the last two weeks. But > it is total chaos, my bookkeeper is going back to Peachtree for invoicing. > No one knows what jobs have been paid, or charged, or what's going on. > If one more thing goes wrong, > just one more thing, > I'm over the edge, > I'm out of here. > I just can't live my life in total complete chaos with customer wondering > where on earth their jobs are, and employees just shrugging and going out > to lunch, and technicians installing $3,000 board after $3000 board after > board with no results. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 16:35:23 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri Apr 18 16:35:49 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: help with corner rounder In-Reply-To: <4809045C.5060509@mobile-print.com> References: <00eb01c8a0b2$35760910$34e50641@bills4drj3ddzy> <98f5b19a0804171237w635e4386hba42d1a025b7c5e@mail.gmail.com> <002a01c8a0c5$da29e7c0$8e7db740$@com> <004a01c8a158$83421840$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <4809045C.5060509@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0804181335x279ed2a0j76394c6b52150125@mail.gmail.com> Frankly, I'm mystified. Over the years we've had the occasional need to round corner something, which we do in small lifts on our cheap tabletop corner rounderer. But for the life of me, I can't imagine what it is that you are all rounding the corners of -- especially those who have any kind of automation to do the job. Maybe I'm missing out on some great jobs -- can anyone tell me what they are? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ========================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From jodib at blackfoot.net Fri Apr 18 16:43:16 2008 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Fri Apr 18 16:43:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rant References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com><008301c89e79$5b459f60$800101df@eprint.local><013601c89e83$8d730950$6401a8c0@corapurvine><00cb01c89f38$9d2ff550$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <017e01c8a191$d1e9a7e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <012501c8a194$d43df0c0$0101a8c0@JodiPC> I'm sorry we're not closer, we'd be happy to help you out with the printing. I'm not well versed at all in PrintSmith (we have PP).......... Are you having bad weather that is affecting the phone lines??? Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing - Missoula, Montana www.pyramidprintingmt.com jodib@blackfoot.net Member NAQP #205787 Member Garden City BNI 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Huntingford" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Rant > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Don't read this is you don't want to. > This has just been a heck of a week. > The press will not feed 70 lb. offset no matter what I do. (thanks to > those who offered advice) > The platemaker is down, techs have been here for 3 days, no plates. > The collator/booklet maker came to a screeching halt this morning. > The cutter quit working, since fixed. One good thing. > The phones have been cutting out this morning, CC charges not going > through. > The work is piling up with no way to get it done. > We've been trying, really trying to use PrintSmith the last two weeks. But > it is total chaos, my bookkeeper is going back to Peachtree for invoicing. > No one knows what jobs have been paid, or charged, or what's going on. > If one more thing goes wrong, > just one more thing, > I'm over the edge, > I'm out of here. > I just can't live my life in total complete chaos with customer wondering > where on earth their jobs are, and employees just shrugging and going out > to lunch, and technicians installing $3,000 board after $3000 board after > board with no results. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From copythatnyc at aol.com Fri Apr 18 16:47:14 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Fri Apr 18 16:47:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rant In-Reply-To: <017e01c8a191$d1e9a7e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com><008301c89e79$5b459f60$800101df@eprint.local><013601c89e83$8d730950$6401a8c0@corapurvine> <00cb01c89f38$9d2ff550$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <017e01c8a191$d1e9a7e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <8CA6FAC83CEDA90-15CC-1A79@WEBMAIL-MA10.sysops.aol.com> As they say in the streets these days "I Feel Ya"? When?those moments hit me I just tap my heels 3 x's & try to wake up from this nightmare.? I dread those situations.? Come by me I'll take you out for drink or two or three. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Dan Huntingford To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 4:21 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Rant ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Don't read this is you don't want to.? This has just been a heck of a week.? The press will not feed 70 lb. offset no matter what I do. (thanks to those who offered advice)? The platemaker is down, techs have been here for 3 days, no plates.? The collator/booklet maker came to a screeching halt this morning.? The cutter quit working, since fixed. One good thing.? The phones have been cutting out this morning, CC charges not going through.? The work is piling up with no way to get it done.? We've been trying, really trying to use PrintSmith the last two weeks. But it is total chaos, my bookkeeper is going back to Peachtree for invoicing. No one knows what jobs have been paid, or charged, or what's going on.? If one more thing goes wrong,? just one more thing,? I'm over the edge,? I'm out of here.? I just can't live my life in total complete chaos with customer wondering where on earth their jobs are, and employees just shrugging and going out to lunch, and technicians installing $3,000 board after $3000 board after board with no results.? ? Dan Huntingford? SOS Printing? 2319 Washington Street? Port Townsend, WA 98368? Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF? sos@olympus.net? (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860? ? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From andrew.flamm at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 16:52:57 2008 From: andrew.flamm at gmail.com (Andy Flamm) Date: Fri Apr 18 16:53:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Engineering Copiers-KIP vs Ricoh vs Oce vs? In-Reply-To: <02e501c89c39$e48b4320$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <02e501c89c39$e48b4320$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: Thanks, all. I got my dealer (who's been trying to get my business for years) to negotiate the price with GE, the leasing company. Got it down from $9200 to $7400, so I took it. From what I've seen, I'm not going to get anything as good for much less, and I have confidence that it will be in good condition when delivered. The dealer told me getting a lease return and negotiating the price is the best way to buy used equipment, though I suppose it depends on the situation. Hopefully the new capabilities will allow us to greatly increase our volume. I appreciate your advice. Andy On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > KIP 6000, used for $9200 installed by dealer > > > > > > > We have a KIP 6000 that we bought new about 3 years ago and are VERY > > happy > > with it. > > > ===================== > > I used to have the Richo W470 for three years. It was good, but we > replaced it with the W480 which is better. The RIP can handle files with > much less trouble than the old one, I don't know if the old 470 RIP can be > upgraded, I'd check that. > $9000 seems a bit steep for a 470. I expect to pay less than that for the > 480 when it is at the end of lease, about another year. (Three year, fair > market buyout). But if that includes the latest RIP, maybe OK. > > I don't have any experience with KIP or Oce. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Cedar Business Printing 345 Cedar Street, Suite 256 Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101 651-293-3904 voice 651-293-3905 fax andy@CedarBusinessPrinting.com www.CedarBusinessPrinting.com From dennisdater at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 18 16:57:13 2008 From: dennisdater at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Dater) Date: Fri Apr 18 16:57:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: help with corner rounder In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0804181335x279ed2a0j76394c6b52150125@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080418205730.0DAC3EDF368@rb.enter.net> We are no longer rounding corners for one of our customers. However, when we did, we might round 50,000 in a month. They were instruction cards for a medical instrument. The card was printed on 67lb vellum bristol, in various color inks. The card was inserted in a plastic bag along with the instrument. The rounded corners did not catch on the plastic as much as a sharp square corner would. The customer eventually went to a pre-printed bag and eliminated the instruction card. Allegra Print still has the corner rounder. Dennis Dater, Formerly with Allegra Print & Imaging, San Diego, CA -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:35 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] OFF: help with corner rounder ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Frankly, I'm mystified. Over the years we've had the occasional need to round corner something, which we do in small lifts on our cheap tabletop corner rounderer. But for the life of me, I can't imagine what it is that you are all rounding the corners of -- especially those who have any kind of automation to do the job. Maybe I'm missing out on some great jobs -- can anyone tell me what they are? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ========================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.1/1385 - Release Date: 4/18/2008 9:30 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.1/1385 - Release Date: 4/18/2008 9:30 AM From clc at crownmax.com Fri Apr 18 16:32:43 2008 From: clc at crownmax.com (Charlie Counts) Date: Fri Apr 18 17:04:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rant In-Reply-To: <017e01c8a191$d1e9a7e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com><008301c89e79$5b459f60$800101df@eprint.local><013601c89e83$8d730950$6401a8c0@corapurvine><00cb01c89f38$9d2ff550$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <017e01c8a191$d1e9a7e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <001c01c8a193$5b0640a0$7201a8c0@Crown.local> WOW ... Man you need some good luck! Hope things improve for you. Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road P. O. Box 234 Dunbar, WV 25064 1-800-252-4011 Fax 304-744-8652 www.crownmax.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 4:22 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Rant ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Don't read this is you don't want to. This has just been a heck of a week. The press will not feed 70 lb. offset no matter what I do. (thanks to those who offered advice) The platemaker is down, techs have been here for 3 days, no plates. The collator/booklet maker came to a screeching halt this morning. The cutter quit working, since fixed. One good thing. The phones have been cutting out this morning, CC charges not going through. The work is piling up with no way to get it done. We've been trying, really trying to use PrintSmith the last two weeks. But it is total chaos, my bookkeeper is going back to Peachtree for invoicing. No one knows what jobs have been paid, or charged, or what's going on. If one more thing goes wrong, just one more thing, I'm over the edge, I'm out of here. I just can't live my life in total complete chaos with customer wondering where on earth their jobs are, and employees just shrugging and going out to lunch, and technicians installing $3,000 board after $3000 board after board with no results. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Fri Apr 18 17:21:08 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Fri Apr 18 17:21:04 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rant In-Reply-To: <001c01c8a193$5b0640a0$7201a8c0@Crown.local> References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com><008301c89e79$5b459f60$800101df@eprint.local><013601c89e83$8d730950$6401a8c0@corapurvine><00cb01c89f38$9d2ff550$0b01a8c0@CharXP><017e01c8a191$d1e9a7e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <001c01c8a193$5b0640a0$7201a8c0@Crown.local> Message-ID: <00f301c8a19a$1e591810$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Gee Dan, I am so sorry. I thought I had been having a bad week trying to learn all I don't know about this new copier, but compared to your week I guess mine hasn't been too bad. Wish I was close enough and had the knowledge to help...: ( All I can do is feel your pain and I can really feel it....sorry...... Maybe things will go better next week....they can't be much worse can they Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 Fax: (316) 854-0321 cpurvine1@cox.net Member NAQP -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlie Counts Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:33 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Rant ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** WOW ... Man you need some good luck! Hope things improve for you. Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road P. O. Box 234 Dunbar, WV 25064 1-800-252-4011 Fax 304-744-8652 www.crownmax.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 4:22 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Rant ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Don't read this is you don't want to. This has just been a heck of a week. The press will not feed 70 lb. offset no matter what I do. (thanks to those who offered advice) The platemaker is down, techs have been here for 3 days, no plates. The collator/booklet maker came to a screeching halt this morning. The cutter quit working, since fixed. One good thing. The phones have been cutting out this morning, CC charges not going through. The work is piling up with no way to get it done. We've been trying, really trying to use PrintSmith the last two weeks. But it is total chaos, my bookkeeper is going back to Peachtree for invoicing. No one knows what jobs have been paid, or charged, or what's going on. If one more thing goes wrong, just one more thing, I'm over the edge, I'm out of here. I just can't live my life in total complete chaos with customer wondering where on earth their jobs are, and employees just shrugging and going out to lunch, and technicians installing $3,000 board after $3000 board after board with no results. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 3039 (20080418) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From jgross at techiowa.com Fri Apr 18 17:46:53 2008 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Fri Apr 18 17:47:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rant In-Reply-To: <017e01c8a191$d1e9a7e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <001b01c8a19d$bb9b6580$1e00000a@tech.local> Dan if you're still not making plates next week drop the files on my web site and I'll overnight them back, if that would help. Probably not four color though. Call me if you need this. Note new email address: jagross@techiowa.com John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc Iowa City, Iowa 52240 319-354-5950 techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:22 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Rant Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Don't read this is you don't want to. This has just been a heck of a week. The press will not feed 70 lb. offset no matter what I do. (thanks to those who offered advice) The platemaker is down, techs have been here for 3 days, no plates. The collator/booklet maker came to a screeching halt this morning. The cutter quit working, since fixed. One good thing. The phones have been cutting out this morning, CC charges not going through. The work is piling up with no way to get it done. We've been trying, really trying to use PrintSmith the last two weeks. But it is total chaos, my bookkeeper is going back to Peachtree for invoicing. No one knows what jobs have been paid, or charged, or what's going on. If one more thing goes wrong, just one more thing, I'm over the edge, I'm out of here. I just can't live my life in total complete chaos with customer wondering where on earth their jobs are, and employees just shrugging and going out to lunch, and technicians installing $3,000 board after $3000 board after board with no results. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Fri Apr 18 17:53:19 2008 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Fri Apr 18 17:53:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rant In-Reply-To: <017e01c8a191$d1e9a7e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <013c01c8a19e$9d636260$f901a8c0@MitchDell> I feel for you . . . and there may be something in the weather . . . About 5 weeks ago we were moving a recycling pallet away from our Polar 76 cutter with a forklift and bumped it, knocking the support bracket from the back of the cutter, and it fell over backwards. $8,022.43 in parts and labor later we had our cutter back. Gotta love H. Insurance picked up everything except for the $500 deductible. We're using Selective Insurance. We no more than get the cutter repaired when the DPX platemaker goes down for 10 freakin days. Problem started out fairly simple. Local tech made it much worse. We had to call in Mitsubishi. I ranted about that earlier. Still don't know how much it's going to cost. If you have a DPX maybe we should compare notes. About the time the platemaker went down we had a key person in our prepress department lose her father to brain cancer. While the disease was making it's progression she was in and out. At the end she took time off and spent it with her father. We finally have a full staff and the all of our equipment is back up (the platemaker is still giving us some lingering problems but we can make plates "knock on wood"). We haven't had issues like this for years. I'd much prefer to have this crap spread out over time rather than deal with it all at once. Hang in there . . . it can only get better. Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:22 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Rant ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Don't read this is you don't want to. This has just been a heck of a week. The press will not feed 70 lb. offset no matter what I do. (thanks to those who offered advice) The platemaker is down, techs have been here for 3 days, no plates. The collator/booklet maker came to a screeching halt this morning. The cutter quit working, since fixed. One good thing. The phones have been cutting out this morning, CC charges not going through. The work is piling up with no way to get it done. We've been trying, really trying to use PrintSmith the last two weeks. But it is total chaos, my bookkeeper is going back to Peachtree for invoicing. No one knows what jobs have been paid, or charged, or what's going on. If one more thing goes wrong, just one more thing, I'm over the edge, I'm out of here. I just can't live my life in total complete chaos with customer wondering where on earth their jobs are, and employees just shrugging and going out to lunch, and technicians installing $3,000 board after $3000 board after board with no results. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From stumarty at wrightprinting.com Fri Apr 18 17:59:07 2008 From: stumarty at wrightprinting.com (Stu) Date: Fri Apr 18 18:04:06 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rant In-Reply-To: <017e01c8a191$d1e9a7e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com><008301c89e79$5b459f60$800101df@eprint.local> <013601c89e83$8d730950$6401a8c0@corapurvine> <00cb01c89f38$9d2ff550$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <017e01c8a191$d1e9a7e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: On or about 1:21 PM -0700 4/18/08, Dan Huntingford emailed the following: >If one more thing goes wrong, >just one more thing, >I'm over the edge, >I'm out of here. ====================== Dan, for what it's worth... Some things in life are bad They can really make you mad Other things just make you swear and curse. When you're chewing on life's gristle Don't grumble, give a whistle And this'll help things turn out for the best... And...always look on the bright side of life... Always look on the light side of life... If life seems jolly rotten There's something you've forgotten And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing. When you're feeling in the dumps Don't be silly chumps Just purse your lips and whistle - that's the thing. And...always look on the bright side of life... Always look on the light side of life... For life is quite absurd And death's the final word You must always face the curtain with a bow. Forget about your sin - give the audience a grin Enjoy it - it's your last chance anyhow. So always look on the bright side of death Just before you draw your terminal breath Life's a piece of shit When you look at it Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true. You'll see it's all a show Keep 'em laughing as you go Just remember that the last laugh is on you. And always look on the bright side of life... Always look on the right side of life... (Come on guys, cheer up!) Always look on the bright side of life... Always look on the bright side of life... (Worse things happen at sea, you know.) Always look on the bright side of life... (I mean - what have you got to lose?) (You know, you come from nothing - you're going back to nothing. What have you lost? Nothing!) Always look on the right side of life... -just old stu- -- =============== SETTING IT WRIGHT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I wondered why the NEO was getting bigger. Then it hit me. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com From sos at olympus.net Fri Apr 18 18:31:44 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Apr 18 18:34:08 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rant Update References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com><008301c89e79$5b459f60$800101df@eprint.local><013601c89e83$8d730950$6401a8c0@corapurvine><00cb01c89f38$9d2ff550$0b01a8c0@CharXP><017e01c8a191$d1e9a7e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL><001c01c8a193$5b0640a0$7201a8c0@Crown.local> <00f301c8a19a$1e591810$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <01bd01c8a1a3$fb512740$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > WOW ... Man you need some good luck! > > Hope things improve for you. ========================= Thanks for the support all those who called and posted encouragement. The collator repair guy was actually in Bremerton, about 40 miles away and finished that job quickly and was here to fix the collator. Some bolt had worked it way out and jammed the thingamajig, so a relatively easy fix, once he figured out what it was. The platesetter guy will be back Monday a.m. with yet another board which he is sure will fix it, and discovered that if you pop open the door as each plate jams, it tricks the machine into ejecting it and we are, ta da, outputting plates. Although you have to be there watching each one and pop the door just as the red jam warning light comes on. So that'll be fun watching the plates come out one by one by one. And it's kind of nice knowing that these things weren't my fault, lack of maintenance or anything. So I'm feeling better. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From brian at designotype.com Fri Apr 18 18:35:55 2008 From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen) Date: Fri Apr 18 18:35:50 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rant References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com><008301c89e79$5b459f60$800101df@eprint.local><013601c89e83$8d730950$6401a8c0@corapurvine><00cb01c89f38$9d2ff550$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <017e01c8a191$d1e9a7e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <09d301c8a1a4$90dd2660$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Dan: Hang in there and refrain from thinking about all the bad things happening. Everyone has LOTS of good things going for them AND lots of negatives if we allow ourselves to concentrate on them. For example: . 1. You have your health (I think) All your arms and legs, eyes, ears. Don't laugh, lots of people don't have them and they still have a positive attitude. 2. You can still go home each night after work. Think of our troops overseas. I don't have time to list more, but you get the point. As one of my mentors from college used to say "You don't have to look very far to find someone that has it worse off than you , no matter how bad it may seem." Go and visit a nursing home to see some hardship, or a cancer ward at a hospital. Also, "Don't sweat the small stuff, and it's all small stuff." Brian Helminen Designotype Printers, Inc. 22950 Airpark Blvd. Calumet, MI 49913 906-482-2424 Fax 906-482-2266 www.designotype.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Huntingford" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Rant > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Don't read this is you don't want to. > This has just been a heck of a week. > The press will not feed 70 lb. offset no matter what I do. (thanks to > those who offered advice) > The platemaker is down, techs have been here for 3 days, no plates. > The collator/booklet maker came to a screeching halt this morning. > The cutter quit working, since fixed. One good thing. > The phones have been cutting out this morning, CC charges not going > through. > The work is piling up with no way to get it done. > We've been trying, really trying to use PrintSmith the last two weeks. But > it is total chaos, my bookkeeper is going back to Peachtree for invoicing. > No one knows what jobs have been paid, or charged, or what's going on. > If one more thing goes wrong, > just one more thing, > I'm over the edge, > I'm out of here. > I just can't live my life in total complete chaos with customer wondering > where on earth their jobs are, and employees just shrugging and going out > to lunch, and technicians installing $3,000 board after $3000 board after > board with no results. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message.\r\nhttp://www.avg-antivirus.net/ > Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.523 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1386 - Release > Date: 4/18/2008 5:24 PM > > From greg at pressexpress.org Fri Apr 18 18:36:08 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Fri Apr 18 18:36:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rant In-Reply-To: <017e01c8a191$d1e9a7e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com><008301c89e79$5b459f60$800101df@eprint.local><013601c89e83$8d730950$6401a8c0@corapurvine> <00cb01c89f38$9d2ff550$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <017e01c8a191$d1e9a7e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <96BDFBFE-EFC2-449D-B5DA-6FC465660CB0@pressexpress.org> Ouch! I have three employees. All three tendered their resignation within a three week period. No pressman, CSR/typesetter gone shortly, bindery person after that. Rural area, not many qualified press operators to be found much less qualified anyone. Some days I wish I could quit too, unfortunately, I owe the bank too much money to just quit. I apparently have built my own prison. Dan, what do you say you and I get together, fly down to Tahiti and just get mind numbingly, puke faced drunk! Greg On Apr 18, 2008, at 3:21 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Don't read this is you don't want to. > This has just been a heck of a week. > The press will not feed 70 lb. offset no matter what I do. (thanks > to those who offered advice) > The platemaker is down, techs have been here for 3 days, no plates. > The collator/booklet maker came to a screeching halt this morning. > The cutter quit working, since fixed. One good thing. > The phones have been cutting out this morning, CC charges not going > through. > The work is piling up with no way to get it done. > We've been trying, really trying to use PrintSmith the last two > weeks. But it is total chaos, my bookkeeper is going back to > Peachtree for invoicing. No one knows what jobs have been paid, or > charged, or what's going on. > If one more thing goes wrong, > just one more thing, > I'm over the edge, > I'm out of here. > I just can't live my life in total complete chaos with customer > wondering where on earth their jobs are, and employees just > shrugging and going out to lunch, and technicians installing $3,000 > board after $3000 board after board with no results. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From greg at pressexpress.org Fri Apr 18 18:44:48 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Fri Apr 18 18:44:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rant In-Reply-To: <09d301c8a1a4$90dd2660$6a01a8c0@brianspc> References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com><008301c89e79$5b459f60$800101df@eprint.local><013601c89e83$8d730950$6401a8c0@corapurvine><00cb01c89f38$9d2ff550$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <017e01c8a191$d1e9a7e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <09d301c8a1a4$90dd2660$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Message-ID: <7A7FAE6C-B6F3-4AF6-A33F-4A8403C8AFF9@pressexpress.org> Brian, Great words of encouragement. There are so many people out there that have far less than me. With our without Dan, I think I am still going to get puked faced drunk. Greg On Apr 18, 2008, at 5:35 PM, Brian Helminen wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dan: > > Hang in there and refrain from thinking about all the bad things > happening. Everyone has LOTS of good things going for them AND lots > of negatives if we allow ourselves to concentrate on them. > For example: . 1. You have your health (I think) All your arms and > legs, eyes, ears. Don't laugh, lots of people don't have them and > they still have a positive attitude. > 2. You can still go home each night after work. Think of our troops > overseas. > I don't have time to list more, but you get the point. As one of my > mentors from college used to say "You don't have to look very far to > find someone that has it worse off than you , no matter how bad it > may seem." Go and visit a nursing home to see some hardship, or a > cancer ward at a hospital. > Also, "Don't sweat the small stuff, and it's all small stuff." > > Brian Helminen > Designotype Printers, Inc. > 22950 Airpark Blvd. > Calumet, MI 49913 > 906-482-2424 > Fax 906-482-2266 > www.designotype.com > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Huntingford" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 4:21 PM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Rant > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Don't read this is you don't want to. >> This has just been a heck of a week. >> The press will not feed 70 lb. offset no matter what I do. (thanks >> to those who offered advice) >> The platemaker is down, techs have been here for 3 days, no plates. >> The collator/booklet maker came to a screeching halt this morning. >> The cutter quit working, since fixed. One good thing. >> The phones have been cutting out this morning, CC charges not going >> through. >> The work is piling up with no way to get it done. >> We've been trying, really trying to use PrintSmith the last two >> weeks. But it is total chaos, my bookkeeper is going back to >> Peachtree for invoicing. No one knows what jobs have been paid, or >> charged, or what's going on. >> If one more thing goes wrong, >> just one more thing, >> I'm over the edge, >> I'm out of here. >> I just can't live my life in total complete chaos with customer >> wondering where on earth their jobs are, and employees just >> shrugging and going out to lunch, and technicians installing $3,000 >> board after $3000 board after board with no results. >> >> Dan Huntingford >> SOS Printing >> 2319 Washington Street >> Port Townsend, WA 98368 >> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >> sos@olympus.net >> (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message.\r\nhttp://www.avg-antivirus.net/ >> Checked by AVG. 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From sos at olympus.net Fri Apr 18 18:51:00 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Apr 18 18:53:25 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rant References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com><008301c89e79$5b459f60$800101df@eprint.local><013601c89e83$8d730950$6401a8c0@corapurvine><00cb01c89f38$9d2ff550$0b01a8c0@CharXP><017e01c8a191$d1e9a7e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL><09d301c8a1a4$90dd2660$6a01a8c0@brianspc> <7A7FAE6C-B6F3-4AF6-A33F-4A8403C8AFF9@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: <01d801c8a1a6$ac83c8e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Weinfurter" > Great words of encouragement. There are so many people out there that > have far less than me. With or without Dan, I think I am still going to > get puked faced drunk. =============== I'm not sure Brian would approve the getting faced business, but I may just stop off at the Washington State Liquor store on the way home and pick up a bottle of Scotch. The one I got for my birthday seven months ago seems to have gone dry. We're planning a trip to England and Scotland this summer. I hope to heck, things run smoothly while I'm gone. And a bit of "Scotland in a bottle" should help me look forward to it all. And if I look back a few years, before we had all this great equipment and were doing half the work with twice as many people, things really have improved. Again, thanks for the support list members. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From dominick at fmtc.com Fri Apr 18 19:12:14 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Fri Apr 18 19:12:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rant In-Reply-To: References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com><008301c89e79$5b459f60$800101df@eprint.local> <013601c89e83$8d730950$6401a8c0@corapurvine> <00cb01c89f38$9d2ff550$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <017e01c8a191$d1e9a7e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <48092ACE.10204@fmtc.com> Never underestimate the power of good ole Monty Python! Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! Stu wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > On or about 1:21 PM -0700 4/18/08, Dan Huntingford emailed the following: > >> If one more thing goes wrong, >> just one more thing, >> I'm over the edge, >> I'm out of here. > > ====================== > > Dan, for what it's worth... > > Some things in life are bad > They can really make you mad > Other things just make you swear and curse. > When you're chewing on life's gristle > Don't grumble, give a whistle > And this'll help things turn out for the best... > > And...always look on the bright side of life... > Always look on the light side of life... > From copythatnyc at aol.com Fri Apr 18 19:16:09 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Fri Apr 18 19:16:54 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rant In-Reply-To: <96BDFBFE-EFC2-449D-B5DA-6FC465660CB0@pressexpress.org> References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com><008301c89e79$5b459f60$800101df@eprint.local><013601c89e83$8d730950$6401a8c0@corapurvine> <00cb01c89f38$9d2ff550$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <017e01c8a191$d1e9a7e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <96BDFBFE-EFC2-449D-B5DA-6FC465660CB0@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: <8CA6FC1523F1D1B-15CC-1FD7@WEBMAIL-MA10.sysops.aol.com> Hey Greg how far are you.? I'll be willing to help out for awhile. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg Weinfurter To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 6:36 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Rant ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Ouch! I have three employees. All three tendered their resignation within a three week period. No pressman, CSR/typesetter gone shortly, bindery person after that. Rural area, not many qualified press operators to be found much less qualified anyone.? ? Some days I wish I could quit too, unfortunately, I owe the bank too much money to just quit. I apparently have built my own prison.? ? Dan, what do you say you and I get together, fly down to Tahiti and just get mind numbingly, puke faced drunk!? ? Greg? ? On Apr 18, 2008, at 3:21 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote:? ? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > Don't read this is you don't want to.? > This has just been a heck of a week.? > The press will not feed 70 lb. offset no matter what I do. (thanks > to those who offered advice)? > The platemaker is down, techs have been here for 3 days, no plates.? > The collator/booklet maker came to a screeching halt this morning.? > The cutter quit working, since fixed. One good thing.? > The phones have been cutting out this morning, CC charges not going > through.? > The work is piling up with no way to get it done.? > We've been trying, really trying to use PrintSmith the last two > weeks. But it is total chaos, my bookkeeper is going back to > Peachtree for invoicing. No one knows what jobs have been paid, or > charged, or what's going on.? > If one more thing goes wrong,? > just one more thing,? > I'm over the edge,? > I'm out of here.? > I just can't live my life in total complete chaos with customer > wondering where on earth their jobs are, and employees just > shrugging and going out to lunch, and technicians installing $3,000 > board after $3000 board after board with no results.? >? > Dan Huntingford? > SOS Printing? > 2319 Washington Street? > Port Townsend, WA 98368? > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF? > sos@olympus.net? > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860? >? >? >? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? > --> This message has been scanned for viruses and? > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is? > believed to be clean.? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? From dominick at fmtc.com Fri Apr 18 19:17:38 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Fri Apr 18 19:17:53 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: help with corner rounder In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0804181335x279ed2a0j76394c6b52150125@mail.gmail.com> References: <00eb01c8a0b2$35760910$34e50641@bills4drj3ddzy> <98f5b19a0804171237w635e4386hba42d1a025b7c5e@mail.gmail.com> <002a01c8a0c5$da29e7c0$8e7db740$@com> <004a01c8a158$83421840$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <4809045C.5060509@mobile-print.com> <98f5b19a0804181335x279ed2a0j76394c6b52150125@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48092C12.2070209@fmtc.com> We corner round something each month. Either business cards, menu cards, custom tabs, etc. So I finally bought the corner rounder attachment to our Challenge drill. Pretty slick! should have done it 5 years ago... Last week did 10,000 sheets of 5 x 7, 3 corners, so 30,000 corners. Took a whole 45 minutes, and billed for $300. Gotta love "value added"... Just have to have some samples laying around rounded, and the customer will ask. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Frankly, I'm mystified. > > Over the years we've had the occasional need to round corner > something, which we do in small lifts on our cheap tabletop corner > rounderer. But for the life of me, I can't imagine what it is that you > are all rounding the corners of -- especially those who have any kind > of automation to do the job. Maybe I'm missing out on some great jobs > -- can anyone tell me what they are? > > > > From bill at werkheiser.com Sat Apr 19 19:35:32 2008 From: bill at werkheiser.com (Bill Werkheiser) Date: Fri Apr 18 19:35:07 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Employees Was: Anniversary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <480A81C4.7080803@werkheiser.com> I'm neither awesome or lucky. Although it may have sounded like I was bragging, I paid big bucks for someone to show me all of the stupid owner tricks I had mastered. I was technically bankrupt for 3 years. Doing things my way was a disaster. I have no innovative ideas. For starters, I would recommend the two books. Secondly, I would answer every question with, "What do you think we should do?". You know, like when you get interrupted with, "hey Borqou, we're out of black ink." People really do want to be empowered. It's one of the greatest incentives you can give an employee. Thirdly, I would pay them enough so that they have no reason to look for another job. That may be easier in my area since I'm in a town of less than 5,000 people. John Stewarts's been preaching this for years, i.e. use less people but pay the ones you have more. Once you've empowered them and put SYSTEMS in place where you are no longer needed, go sell. Scott's been preaching this for years. (search his posts). Because of my location, I can't wait for it to walk in the door. I have to travel 55 miles to get to a decent size city. The good part is I have more than four choices of where to eat lunch. Bill Werkheiser http://WeLoveToPrint.com SE PrinTech / Coastal Mailing Services P O Box 27 - 315 E Banks St. Glennville, GA 30427 (912) 654-3610 phone (912) 654-3611 fax Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am Jack's extreme sense of jealous. Bill, if you have any tips for how > you did this, other than being awesome and/or lucky (both of which I have > market cornered on) let me know. > > I'm kidding, I have a pretty good idea of what it takes to retain people, > but I dream to have a streak like that one day though. Congratulations. > > Borzou Azabdaftari > Falcon Print and Copy > 1921 Gallows Road > Suite 150 > Vienna, VA 22182 > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > > > >> From: Bill Werkheiser >> Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:58:33 -0400 >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Employees Was: Anniversary >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Sorry to see this thread so short lived. To me, this is the lifeblood of >> the organization. My employees allow me to live a great lifestyle and I >> owe everything to them. A while back, I spent two weeks in remote parts >> of Africa where communication of any kind was non existent. Was sorta >> dreading coming back to all I had to do. I got in late on Friday night >> and went in Saturday to start the catchup process. I was home by 2:00 in >> the afternoon. At this point, I honestly believe they could hire a >> bookkeeper and do without me. I only have five employees, but the six of >> us had an SPE of 189,300 last year. Most of my dialog with them is non >> work related. I believe the greatest factor is longevity of employment. >> Below is the position and how long they've been with me. We actually >> tried to hire someone last year, but we collectively decided after a two >> week trial that they were not a good fit. I gave three of them another >> dollar for taking on the additional load that this person would have >> handled (hey, it was cheaper than a new person), and we've never thought >> about it again. >> >> Customer Service - 22 years >> Graphics - 10 years >> Bindery - 13 years >> Press Operator - 8 years >> Press Operator - 3 years >> >> The last hire was a new one not a replacement when we bought the DI >> >> Crouser had a huge impact on changing the way I did things. >> Additionally, there are two books which I think are absolutely necessary >> if you are going to run a business: >> >> (1) Seven Habits of Highly Successful People >> (2) The E-Myth Revisited >> >> Bill Werkheiser >> http://WeLoveToPrint.com >> SE PrinTech / Coastal Mailing Services >> P O Box 27 - 315 E Banks St. >> Glennville, GA 30427 >> (912) 654-3610 phone >> (912) 654-3611 fax >> >> >> >> John Gross wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> A gift certificate for dinner for two at a nice restaurant - impress his >>> spouse and she will tell him to get out of bed in the mornings because his >>> boss is so good to both of them. >>> >>> Note new email address: jagross@techiowa.com >>> >>> John A. Gross >>> Technigraphics, Inc >>> Iowa City, Iowa 52240 >>> techiowa.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >>> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Azkwikkopy@aol.com >>> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:30 AM >>> To: PRINTOWNERS@PRINTWEB.ORG >>> Subject: [PrintOwners] Anniversary >>> >>> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> I have a great employee that is reaching his 15th anniversary with us. >>> What's a good gift? >>> >>> Nick Allion >>> Copy Right Printing >>> 2406 S. 24th Street >>> Phoenix, Arizona 85034 >>> v - 602-275-7255 >>> f - 602-275-9711 >>> c - 602-882-9681 >>> e - copyrightaz@aol.com >>> >>> Pledge >>> Your Copy will be Right, look great and be on time, the first time. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ************** >>> Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. >>> >>> >>> (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >>> database 3020 (20080411) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3037 (20080418) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > From armand at curryonline.com Fri Apr 18 20:19:17 2008 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Fri Apr 18 20:20:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] end of Windows XP In-Reply-To: <4808B94A.27063.978131A@slb.inkspot.net> References: , <98f5b19a0804181155t6b3a47ces935b9768671bacf0@mail.gmail.com> <4808B94A.27063.978131A@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <020601c8a1b3$01904870$04b0d950$@com> That will work only if there are XP drivers available for the new machine. If a manufacturer designs a new machine, what incentive would there be to write drivers for a computer that should never need to run XP? We've upgraded more than half of our 19 computers and they are running Vista. There is nothing wrong with Vista. Granted, it's not a "must have" operating system. XP works as well but Vista runs well, too. You will eventually have to upgrade. If not Vista, then you'll have to upgrade to the next version of Windows. Why put it off? Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing Auburn, ME 04210 armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:08 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] end of Windows XP ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I know a Windows license used to allow installing an older version. If that's still the case, you should be able to buy a Vista license, and install XP instead. As long as you still have XP install disks around, you should be fine until support ends in a few years. If that's not sufficient, perhaps you could consider Linux. Steve > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Ron Taggart wrote: > > > > Anyway, I was wondering if you have a strategy for staying XP in the future? > > We probably have 40 PC's in this place and we need to map out a plan to keep > > us in the XP world for as long as possible. > > You can help save XP. > > About the demise of XP and the attempt to save it: > http://tinyurl.com/65k57l > > The petition to save XP: > http://tinyurl.com/6l2zf2 > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > ========================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 3038 (20080418) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Fri Apr 18 21:26:51 2008 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Fri Apr 18 21:26:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Read and Respond Message-ID: <010801c8a1bc$71dea780$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Here is a new one for you to play with This was sent as spam to my email. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Street Wichita, KS 67215-1742 (316) 522-0733 Fax: (316) 854-0321 cpurvine1@cox.net Member NAQP ____________________________________________________ My name is Mr Tai Wong , I work in one of the banks in hongkong and i have a business proposal of (Thirty-Eight million Five Hundred and Ninety One Thousand Five Hundred and Ninety Five United State Dollars only). This is a legitimate transaction with no risk involved, if we work accordingly to our agreed plan we will be successful and i will also need your assistance in executing my investment plan over there in your country. Finally if you are interested ,kindly contact me via email (taiwong2300@yahoo.com.hk) for more update about this transaction. Email:taiwong2300@yahoo.com.hk Best Regard's Tai Wong __________ NOD32 3039 (20080418) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From mmpanderson at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 23:17:38 2008 From: mmpanderson at gmail.com (Danny Ross) Date: Fri Apr 18 23:17:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] C500 Driver for Mac OS 10.5 Message-ID: <6f85218f0804182017t73c75b9cx1f8d3a95079c4251@mail.gmail.com> We have not been able to find a driver for Mac OS 10.5 that will work with the Konica C500. Konica finally posted one and we can print to it but it ignores or changes the paper selections and any other details. We have to make a PDF and send the file to our PC and then it will print. -- Danny Ross Minuteman Press Anderson, SC 864-224-9115 dross@minutemanpress.com From acepm2 at gmail.com Sat Apr 19 06:17:37 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Sat Apr 19 06:17:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Back from our visit with the Pope & Ron Dobransky In-Reply-To: <007f01c8a170$9a14c280$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <20080418141738.9BF14EDE039@rb.enter.net> <200804181514.m3IFELbh019391@mail2527.carrierzone.com> <007f01c8a170$9a14c280$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: Well, I can't top the quality of the president you met, but I met one in my neighborhood when I was growing up. I was in high school at the time and Carter (yes, I know, I know!) came to town to present an award to an American Family or some such nonsense. It was a neighbor that won this. Anyway, eighth grade as I remember and we're standing on the street across from the neighbor's house. Secret Service everywhere. Carter gets out and walks among us little people shaking hands and I shook his hand. After he went into the home, one of my jerk friends said something stupid like "Wouldn't this be a good time to shoot him?" Like lightning, those Secret Service ripped him out of line, threw him in the back of a police car and he was gone!! Dumb ass. Anyway, we didn't see him till the next morning. In those days (and I'm only 43) when his father went to pick him up from the station he beat the living snot out of this kid right in front of the cops. You could do that then and not much would happen to you. I've also been about three feet from the Queen of England when I went there on vacation. Another story sometime. Oddly enough, it is said that everyone is connected to everyone else in the world by as many as six connections. Think about it. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eugene Montanez" > > at 7:30am to see the Pope on > > > the South Lawn, along with over 13,000 other "select" people. > > It was orderly BUT we couldn't see much, as it turns out there are ALOT > > of very tall people in this country and they were ALL standing in front of > > us! > > > ====================== > > I read the other day, the average Catholic has a much better chance of > winning the lottery than they do of meeting the Pope. At least you got > close. > I actually had dinner at the White House once when my dad was president of > the Washington state association of county officials. (WACO, isn't that a > great name?) Us and 49 other presidents and their families. Several hundred > people. LBJ was the guy then and I did get to shake his hand and Lady Bird > and one of the daughters. Miss Maryland was there too! What I really > remember though was a big fat guy smoking a cigar who stuck it in my little > brother's arm and gave him a bit of a burn. The jerk. > I was 11 at the time. > > Our congressman met us at the Capitol building and gave us the insiders > tour as well. Quite a trip for a little farm boy. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From k_graham at hotmail.com Sat Apr 19 10:44:02 2008 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Sat Apr 19 10:44:21 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: help with corner rounder References: <00eb01c8a0b2$35760910$34e50641@bills4drj3ddzy> <98f5b19a0804171237w635e4386hba42d1a025b7c5e@mail.gmail.com> <002a01c8a0c5$da29e7c0$8e7db740$@com> <004a01c8a158$83421840$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <4809045C.5060509@mobile-print.com><98f5b19a0804181335x279ed2a0j76394c6b52150125@mail.gmail.com> <48092C12.2070209@fmtc.com> Message-ID: So I finally bought the corner rounder attachment to > our Challenge drill. Pretty slick! should have done it 5 years ago... > Joe Dominick Whats the corner rounder sell for, I have a Challenge single hole drill, probably made circa 1945. Will it work or would I need a hydraulic drill. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com Dawson Creek BC Canada 250-782-7108 From sos at olympus.net Sat Apr 19 11:59:03 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Sat Apr 19 12:27:59 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Back from our visit with the Pope & Ron Dobransky References: <20080418141738.9BF14EDE039@rb.enter.net><200804181514.m3IFELbh019391@mail2527.carrierzone.com><007f01c8a170$9a14c280$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <022101c8a23a$00849170$6900a8c0@DANIEL> >I was in high school at the time and > Carter ===================== When my wife visited her brother at college once, the phone rang, she picked it up, and the voice said, "Hello, this is Jimmy Carter," and she thought, yeah right. But it turns out her brother's roommate was from a prominent Georgia family and had worked on the Carter campaign and it really was . . . the President of the United States. "Thank God," she said, "I didn't smart-off and just took the message." OK, that's the end of my famous politicians stories. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From dominick at fmtc.com Sat Apr 19 12:49:13 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Sat Apr 19 12:49:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: help with corner rounder In-Reply-To: References: <00eb01c8a0b2$35760910$34e50641@bills4drj3ddzy> <98f5b19a0804171237w635e4386hba42d1a025b7c5e@mail.gmail.com> <002a01c8a0c5$da29e7c0$8e7db740$@com> <004a01c8a158$83421840$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <4809045C.5060509@mobile-print.com><98f5b19a0804181335x279ed2a0j76394c6b52150125@mail.gmail.com> <48092C12.2070209@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <480A2289.6030207@fmtc.com> Called the "corner-matic cornering attachment" for a challenge hydraulic drill. Only fits certain models. Hooks up to the clamp, and use the hydraulic only. the drill is not used. Simply step on the foot pad, and it pushes thru up to 1" of stock. Picked mine up for $300. Very first order paid for it, plus more. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com k_graham@hotmail.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > So I finally bought the corner rounder attachment to >> our Challenge drill. Pretty slick! should have done it 5 years ago... >> Joe Dominick > > Whats the corner rounder sell for, I have a Challenge single hole > drill, probably made circa 1945. Will it work or would I need a > hydraulic drill. > > Ken Graham > CommunityPrinters.com > Dawson Creek BC Canada > 250-782-7108 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From Minmandon at aol.com Sat Apr 19 12:50:13 2008 From: Minmandon at aol.com (Minmandon@aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 19 12:50:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 7345 FOR FREE Message-ID: I have received a letter from Xerox offering me a 7345 for three years. I would have to pay only click charges. Those are high at .089 for color & .0129 for black & white. There is no charge if I don't use the machine. To add a booklet maker, which I would do, is $90 per month. I've clarified that 17" is one click. This seems like a good deal to have a spare color copier that would cost nothing if it is not used. I would appreciate any comments!!! Thanks Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield 954 421-9904 **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From scott at usacolor.com Sat Apr 19 14:41:10 2008 From: scott at usacolor.com (Scott Balsiger) Date: Sat Apr 19 14:41:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 7345 FOR FREE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <480A3CC6.5050106@usacolor.com> Sounds like a good deal - yet is sorta depressing as our customers are likely to get the same letter. Scott Balsiger President USA Color Printing Inc. www.usacolor.com 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN. 56601 218-759-9126 800-759-9126 218-556-5505(Cell) 218-759-2883(fax) Minmandon@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have received a letter from Xerox offering me a 7345 for three years. I > would have to pay only click charges. Those are high at .089 for color & .0129 > for black & white. There is no charge if I don't use the machine. To add a > booklet maker, which I would do, is $90 per month. I've clarified that 17" is > one click. > This seems like a good deal to have a spare color copier that would cost > nothing if it is not used. > > I would appreciate any comments!!! > Thanks > > Don Carney > Minuteman Press Deerfield > 954 421-9904 > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car > listings at AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From copythatnyc at aol.com Sat Apr 19 14:59:04 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Sat Apr 19 14:59:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 7345 FOR FREE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA706692A69AC1-D1C-3412@FWM-D27.sysops.aol.com> Here's one.? Send me a copy : )?? Go for it! Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com -----Original Message----- From: Minmandon@aol.com To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 12:50 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 7345 FOR FREE ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have received a letter from Xerox offering me a 7345 for three years. I would have to pay only click charges. Those are high at .089 for color & .0129 for black & white. There is no charge if I don't use the machine. To add a booklet maker, which I would do, is $90 per month. I've clarified that 17" is one click. This seems like a good deal to have a spare color copier that would cost nothing if it is not used. I would appreciate any comments!!! Thanks Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield 954 421-9904 **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From printer at ptialaska.net Sat Apr 19 16:08:32 2008 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Sat Apr 19 16:08:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] C500 Driver for Mac OS 10.5 In-Reply-To: <6f85218f0804182017t73c75b9cx1f8d3a95079c4251@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f85218f0804182017t73c75b9cx1f8d3a95079c4251@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3A95A3FF-D575-4C20-88FE-5E127FF678D4@ptialaska.net> On Apr 18, 2008, at 7:17 PM, Danny Ross wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have not been able to find a driver for Mac OS 10.5 that will work > with the Konica C500. Konica finally posted one and we can print to > it but it ignores or changes the paper selections and any other > details. We have to make a PDF and send the file to our PC and then > it will print. REPLY: What? We use 10.5 and have had no problems from the macs. Are you talking about printing directly or to the hold (RIP)? It works fine here... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Sat Apr 19 20:14:32 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Sat Apr 19 20:14:41 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 7345 FOR FREE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDC2B46-2854-4889-B7D7-EE82A96EFBDB@bellsouth.net> Don, We took delivery about 3 weeks ago of a Xerox 7345. Same deal as you described. We have made only a handful of copies on it, due to the higher click charges. In fact, I haven't gotten around to networking it yet, so we can only do off the glass copies. We only have used it a couple of times when our CP500 was busy with a long run and we had a walk in that needed a few copies. No reason for you to add a booklet maker as then your costs go up dramatically. The real reason we took the machine is that I told Xerox we would love to let them place it, but the only spot we had for it was where our CLC 1000 was. So they agreed to haul it away at no charge. That made it worth it to me! Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Apr 19, 2008, at 12:50 PM, Minmandon@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have received a letter from Xerox offering me a 7345 for three > years. I > would have to pay only click charges. Those are high at .089 for > color & .0129 > for black & white. There is no charge if I don't use the machine. > To add a > booklet maker, which I would do, is $90 per month. I've clarified > that 17" is > one click. > This seems like a good deal to have a spare color copier that > would cost > nothing if it is not used. > > I would appreciate any comments!!! > Thanks > > Don Carney > Minuteman Press Deerfield > 954 421-9904 > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. > used car > listings at AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Sat Apr 19 20:16:20 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Sat Apr 19 20:16:27 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 7345 FOR FREE In-Reply-To: <480A3CC6.5050106@usacolor.com> References: <480A3CC6.5050106@usacolor.com> Message-ID: Scott, They way this was explained to me is that Xerox is using this to get their foot in the door with printers using non-Xerox equipment.... Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Apr 19, 2008, at 2:41 PM, Scott Balsiger wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Sounds like a good deal - yet is sorta depressing as our customers > are likely to get the same letter. > > Scott Balsiger President > USA Color Printing Inc. > www.usacolor.com > 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN. 56601 > 218-759-9126 > 800-759-9126 > 218-556-5505(Cell) > 218-759-2883(fax) > > > > Minmandon@aol.com wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I have received a letter from Xerox offering me a 7345 for three >> years. I would have to pay only click charges. Those are high at . >> 089 for color & .0129 for black & white. There is no charge if I >> don't use the machine. To add a booklet maker, which I would do, >> is $90 per month. I've clarified that 17" is one click. >> This seems like a good deal to have a spare color copier that >> would cost nothing if it is not used. >> I would appreciate any comments!!! >> Thanks >> Don Carney >> Minuteman Press Deerfield >> 954 421-9904 >> >> >> >> **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. >> used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851 >> ) >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From joe at trinitypress.com Sun Apr 20 00:21:47 2008 From: joe at trinitypress.com (Joe Dye) Date: Sun Apr 20 00:21:55 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Green Message-ID: <01ee01c8a29e$0cc97180$265c5480$@com> We would like to hear what people have done regarding shop rags to be most environmental. I am thinking about using paper rags that we can put in our paper recycling bins. I know they must be low lint. Has anybody done the homework to determine what is truly the most responsible way to handle shop rags? We currently use cloth rags supplied by Coyne Textile. I suspect the environmental impact of washing the rags may be greater than us using recyclable rags. Joe Dye Trinity Press 3190 Reps Miller Road Suite 360 Norcross, GA 30071 678-462-8864 From sos at olympus.net Sun Apr 20 14:34:17 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Sun Apr 20 14:46:58 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rant Update References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com><008301c89e79$5b459f60$800101df@eprint.local> <013601c89e83$8d730950$6401a8c0@corapurvine> <00cb01c89f38$9d2ff550$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <017e01c8a191$d1e9a7e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <48092ACE.10204@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <02a201c8a316$977786a0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > Never underestimate the power of good ole Monty Python! > Joe Dominick ======================== I watched the Holly Grail a couple weeks ago with my 13 year old daughter. It was great. "Tis not but a scratch, come on fight me." Friday I was here till about 9:00 PM baby sitting the platesetter, but getting plates out. Saturday I printed three full color jobs, all on 100 lb book gloss, which fed flawlessly. I still have two on the 70 lb offset which won't feed. I have a fresh case of paper and a new blade in the cutter, but I doubt that will make any difference, the other paper fanned apart easily, hung straight down with no static attraction. I don't know why it won't feed. The cutter is fixed, the collator is fixed. The platemaker will put out plates if you trick it into ejecting the material after each jam. If I keep working all weekend I may not be too far behind on Monday. This morning looks like Christmas, snowing like crazy. We went out to breakfast with my Dad at an Elks fundraiser. Another 90 year old came over and joined us. Neither of them could ever in their lives remember such a cold spring. And they went on to reminisce about many other things. So we got a history lesson as well as breakfast. Back to work. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Mon Apr 21 09:16:28 2008 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Mon Apr 21 09:16:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Employees Was: Anniversary In-Reply-To: <480A81C4.7080803@werkheiser.com> Message-ID: So what are the two books? Regards, Borzou www.falconprintandcopy.com t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 > From: Bill Werkheiser > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:35:32 -0400 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Employees Was: Anniversary > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'm neither awesome or lucky. Although it may have sounded like I was > bragging, I paid big bucks for someone to show me all of the stupid > owner tricks I had mastered. I was technically bankrupt for 3 years. > Doing things my way was a disaster. I have no innovative ideas. For > starters, I would recommend the two books. > > Secondly, I would answer every question with, "What do you think we > should do?". You know, like when you get interrupted with, "hey Borqou, > we're out of black ink." People really do want to be empowered. It's one > of the greatest incentives you can give an employee. Thirdly, I would > pay them enough so that they have no reason to look for another job. > That may be easier in my area since I'm in a town of less than 5,000 > people. John Stewarts's been preaching this for years, i.e. use less > people but pay the ones you have more. Once you've empowered them and > put SYSTEMS in place where you are no longer needed, go sell. Scott's > been preaching this for years. (search his posts). Because of my > location, I can't wait for it to walk in the door. I have to travel 55 > miles to get to a decent size city. The good part is I have more than > four choices of where to eat lunch. > > Bill Werkheiser > http://WeLoveToPrint.com > SE PrinTech / Coastal Mailing Services > P O Box 27 - 315 E Banks St. > Glennville, GA 30427 > (912) 654-3610 phone > (912) 654-3611 fax > > > > Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I am Jack's extreme sense of jealous. Bill, if you have any tips for how >> you did this, other than being awesome and/or lucky (both of which I have >> market cornered on) let me know. >> >> I'm kidding, I have a pretty good idea of what it takes to retain people, >> but I dream to have a streak like that one day though. Congratulations. >> >> Borzou Azabdaftari >> Falcon Print and Copy >> 1921 Gallows Road >> Suite 150 >> Vienna, VA 22182 >> t.703.442.0124 >> f.703.442.0134 >> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: Bill Werkheiser >>> Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >>> >>> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:58:33 -0400 >>> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >>> >>> Subject: [PrintOwners] Employees Was: Anniversary >>> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Sorry to see this thread so short lived. To me, this is the lifeblood of >>> the organization. My employees allow me to live a great lifestyle and I >>> owe everything to them. A while back, I spent two weeks in remote parts >>> of Africa where communication of any kind was non existent. Was sorta >>> dreading coming back to all I had to do. I got in late on Friday night >>> and went in Saturday to start the catchup process. I was home by 2:00 in >>> the afternoon. At this point, I honestly believe they could hire a >>> bookkeeper and do without me. I only have five employees, but the six of >>> us had an SPE of 189,300 last year. Most of my dialog with them is non >>> work related. I believe the greatest factor is longevity of employment. >>> Below is the position and how long they've been with me. We actually >>> tried to hire someone last year, but we collectively decided after a two >>> week trial that they were not a good fit. I gave three of them another >>> dollar for taking on the additional load that this person would have >>> handled (hey, it was cheaper than a new person), and we've never thought >>> about it again. >>> >>> Customer Service - 22 years >>> Graphics - 10 years >>> Bindery - 13 years >>> Press Operator - 8 years >>> Press Operator - 3 years >>> >>> The last hire was a new one not a replacement when we bought the DI >>> >>> Crouser had a huge impact on changing the way I did things. >>> Additionally, there are two books which I think are absolutely necessary >>> if you are going to run a business: >>> >>> (1) Seven Habits of Highly Successful People >>> (2) The E-Myth Revisited >>> >>> Bill Werkheiser >>> http://WeLoveToPrint.com >>> SE PrinTech / Coastal Mailing Services >>> P O Box 27 - 315 E Banks St. >>> Glennville, GA 30427 >>> (912) 654-3610 phone >>> (912) 654-3611 fax >>> >>> >>> >>> John Gross wrote: >>> >>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>> >>>> A gift certificate for dinner for two at a nice restaurant - impress his >>>> spouse and she will tell him to get out of bed in the mornings because his >>>> boss is so good to both of them. >>>> >>>> Note new email address: jagross@techiowa.com >>>> >>>> John A. Gross >>>> Technigraphics, Inc >>>> Iowa City, Iowa 52240 >>>> techiowa.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >>>> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Azkwikkopy@aol.com >>>> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:30 AM >>>> To: PRINTOWNERS@PRINTWEB.ORG >>>> Subject: [PrintOwners] Anniversary >>>> >>>> >>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>> >>>> I have a great employee that is reaching his 15th anniversary with us. >>>> What's a good gift? >>>> >>>> Nick Allion >>>> Copy Right Printing >>>> 2406 S. 24th Street >>>> Phoenix, Arizona 85034 >>>> v - 602-275-7255 >>>> f - 602-275-9711 >>>> c - 602-882-9681 >>>> e - copyrightaz@aol.com >>>> >>>> Pledge >>>> Your Copy will be Right, look great and be on time, the first time. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ************** >>>> Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. >>>> >>>> >>>> (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016>>>> ) >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>> signature >>>> database 3020 (20080411) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >> database 3037 (20080418) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From bherion at bucksdigital.com Mon Apr 21 09:35:05 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Mon Apr 21 09:35:20 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Phaser or ? Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080421092932.032f53d8@bucksdigital.com> I'm looking for a color printer just to be used for our typesetting and design to proof off jobs for themselves. I used to use a Doc 12, then moved to the 2060, but now that I have them no longer, I'll be darned if they will interrupt iGens! So, I'm thinking an inkjet. I have an opportunity to pick up a year old Xerox 7750 phaser for 2K. I have no idea their reliability or operating costs. Does any one here? Or, do you have another suggestion? Thanks in advance. Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From jgross at techiowa.com Mon Apr 21 15:46:23 2008 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Mon Apr 21 18:47:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vinyl coverstock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c8a3e8$64334180$1e00000a@tech.local> Looking today for a source of black vinyl for the back of GBC bound training manuals. TIA Note new email address: jagross@techiowa.com John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc Iowa City, Iowa 52240 techiowa.com - From Susan at cdandp.net Mon Apr 21 14:38:40 2008 From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton) Date: Mon Apr 21 18:48:05 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fountain Solution - I Know ;) Message-ID: <006101c8a3de$eb85a290$8302a8c0@Robbin> Dear Friends, I have a press operator who is used to doing four-color on a 19" x 25" Heidelberg MOZ with metal plates. We sold that machine and now what little four-color we are doing in-house is being done on a Ryobi 3302 with Rip-It polyester plates. He has been using Pantheon Optima fountain solution (no, I'd never heard of it either), but is having color problems. He has asked me to ask you what fountain solution you would recommend. As I am writing this email, he received a fax from the Rip-It folks recommending SLM-OD50 and Wetting Agent OA-1. Does that sound good? I'm so mechanically-challenged, I don't know how I got to be a print shop owner!! :) Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, VA 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net From rstor at copycats.com Mon Apr 21 12:44:55 2008 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Mon Apr 21 18:48:13 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need freight shipped to Europe In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080421092932.032f53d8@bucksdigital.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080421092932.032f53d8@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <480CC487.2040908@copycats.com> I have a large job that needs to ship to about a dozen addresses in Europe (We are in NYC). Ideally, they would go by ship to Europe and be shipped to the addresses once it is there. The total quantity is about 3-4 skids, so shipping via FedEx is very expensive. Does anyone have a source for this kind of shipping/freight consolidating? Thanks, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com From russ at mobile-print.com Mon Apr 21 11:35:02 2008 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Mon Apr 21 18:48:19 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: help with corner rounder In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0804181335x279ed2a0j76394c6b52150125@mail.gmail.com> References: <00eb01c8a0b2$35760910$34e50641@bills4drj3ddzy> <98f5b19a0804171237w635e4386hba42d1a025b7c5e@mail.gmail.com> <002a01c8a0c5$da29e7c0$8e7db740$@com> <004a01c8a158$83421840$6801a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <4809045C.5060509@mobile-print.com> <98f5b19a0804181335x279ed2a0j76394c6b52150125@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <480CB426.7080409@mobile-print.com> > But for the life of me, I can't imagine what it is that you > are all rounding the corners of -- especially those who have any kind > of automation to do the job. Maybe I'm missing out on some great jobs > -- can anyone tell me what they are? > > We round corner mostly business cards. We probably do 20,000 + per month. Mostly all 4 corners, but we have a client who does just 1 corner, and another that does 2 opposite corners. We also round corner cards, such as membership cards, and other items designed to fit in a shirt pocket. But most anything can be round cornered, and it gives the piece a little different look. Think of letterhead & note pads with rounded corners. Different and economical. Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com From char at themasterspress.com Mon Apr 21 11:12:39 2008 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Mon Apr 21 18:48:22 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Phaser or ? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080421092932.032f53d8@bucksdigital.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080421092932.032f53d8@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <00df01c8a3c2$23d69ef0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Bob we got a Phaser/Tektronix/Xerox whatever it might be called for about $700 from Sam's. The old, "Free Printer" but you had to buy the ink deal. We use it for our typesetting, proofs etc. Model 8560 which is I think an updated form the 7750. Charlene Sims President The Master's Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 fax 972-404-0317 www.TheMastersPress.com char@themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Herion Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:35 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Phaser or ? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I'm looking for a color printer just to be used for our typesetting and design to proof off jobs for themselves. I used to use a Doc 12, then moved to the 2060, but now that I have them no longer, I'll be darned if they will interrupt iGens! So, I'm thinking an inkjet. I have an opportunity to pick up a year old Xerox 7750 phaser for 2K. I have no idea their reliability or operating costs. Does any one here? Or, do you have another suggestion? Thanks in advance. Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3042 (20080421) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3042 (20080421) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3043 (20080421) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3043 (20080421) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From newtone at cox.net Mon Apr 21 11:12:34 2008 From: newtone at cox.net (Newtone) Date: Mon Apr 21 18:48:24 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Phaser or ? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080421092932.032f53d8@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: Hi Bob, I've had a 7750 for almost 4 years and 400,000 prints. Most parts are user replaceable. I've had only 1 service call. Color is excellent. My overall cost per copy has been in the .10 range. It is efficient for low to moderate toner coverage, but full bleed solids can eat toner! Do NOT print NCR, it will gum up the transfer roller. I have used www.globalimagingsupply.com for supplies. they sell only real xerox supplies and are far less expensive than Xerox. We have upgraded to a KM 6500 and now use the 7750 for back up and general office. Hope this info helps. Bob Newton Town & Country Printers, Inc. Santee, CA -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Bob Herion Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 6:35 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Phaser or ? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I'm looking for a color printer just to be used for our typesetting and design to proof off jobs for themselves. I used to use a Doc 12, then moved to the 2060, but now that I have them no longer, I'll be darned if they will interrupt iGens! So, I'm thinking an inkjet. I have an opportunity to pick up a year old Xerox 7750 phaser for 2K. I have no idea their reliability or operating costs. Does any one here? Or, do you have another suggestion? Thanks in advance. Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13 - Release Date: 4/12/2008 12:00 AM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13 - Release Date: 4/12/2008 12:00 AM From list at interiorgraphics.com Mon Apr 21 13:02:48 2008 From: list at interiorgraphics.com (Michelle at Interior Graphics) Date: Mon Apr 21 18:48:29 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DPM 2340 platemaker Message-ID: <143B0C6B-00DF-4568-BD0F-A5FB24F05338@interiorgraphics.com> Hi there - I'm looking at purchasing a used DPM 2340 platemaker. Does anyone have this now and could make any recommendations or suggestions? Also, is there any place I could find out what a good retail price for this machine? Thank you, Michelle ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michelle Maynor "Your Personal Printer" Interior Graphics & Printing 770 8th Avenue Fairbanks, AK 99701 907.456.4982 phone 907.452.6992 fax "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the most." - John Ruskin From inkyhand at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 11:32:39 2008 From: inkyhand at gmail.com (Ron Livingston) Date: Mon Apr 21 18:48:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Phaser or ? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080421092932.032f53d8@bucksdigital.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080421092932.032f53d8@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <5c2107b30804210832o5929ede7x5297a8a034266e79@mail.gmail.com> We have one with 338,220 page count & it has been a very reliable machine. We have had it about 2 1/2 years with only 2 service calls, each about $100. No major problems so far. We feed everything from 12pt. C-!-S to baronial envelopes through it. There is no click charge on this, but we pay for all toner, fusers, imaging units, etc. That makes the cost per page coverage dependent. We use refillable toner cartridges & rebuilt fusers, but stick with virgin imaging units. Our overall cost per page is around 9 cents, but because it is coverage dependent, that can vary job to job. We have the middle grade of color correction software which has color correction settings for automatic, office color RGB, press match CMYK with 5 presets & 10 customizable profiles. If you have any other questions, feel free to contact me. Ron On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Bob Herion wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'm looking for a color printer just to be used for our typesetting and > design to proof off jobs for themselves. > I used to use a Doc 12, then moved to the 2060, but now that I have them > no longer, I'll be darned if they will interrupt iGens! > So, I'm thinking an inkjet. I have an opportunity to pick up a year old > Xerox 7750 phaser for 2K. > I have no idea their reliability or operating costs. Does any one here? > Or, do you have another suggestion? > Thanks in advance. > > > > Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's > We use Recycled and Certified Papers > Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 > 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 > www.bucksdigital.com > > -- Ron Livingston Cornerstone Press 1228 Scyene, Suite 117 Mesquite, TX 75149 (972) 285-4670 From brian at designotype.com Mon Apr 21 10:56:14 2008 From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen) Date: Mon Apr 21 18:48:35 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CD Duplication References: <480A81C4.7080803@werkheiser.com> Message-ID: <0b8601c8a3bf$d8849df0$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Does anyone do CD Duplication and labels or have a good source? My customer needs 1000 of them turned around in less than 1 week. (burn and label... or print right on the cd.) I noticed that there was a post on this subject a while back, but no replies so thought I'd try... Brian Helminen, Designotype Printers, Inc. 22950 Airpark Blvd. Calumet, MI 49913 906-482-2424 Fax 906-482-2266 www.designotype.com From greg at pressexpress.org Mon Apr 21 10:52:28 2008 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon Apr 21 18:48:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rant Update In-Reply-To: <02a201c8a316$977786a0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> References: <9F8ED6C0-62B8-4A90-BF73-735F48096E2F@protypeonline.com><008301c89e79$5b459f60$800101df@eprint.local> <013601c89e83$8d730950$6401a8c0@corapurvine> <00cb01c89f38$9d2ff550$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <017e01c8a191$d1e9a7e0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> <48092ACE.10204@fmtc.com> <02a201c8a316$977786a0$6900a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: Dan, Friday night, I drank enough for both of us. Greg On Apr 20, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >> Never underestimate the power of good ole Monty Python! >> Joe Dominick > ======================== > > I watched the Holly Grail a couple weeks ago with my 13 year old > daughter. It was great. "Tis not but a scratch, come on fight me." > > Friday I was here till about 9:00 PM baby sitting the platesetter, > but getting plates out. Saturday I printed three full color jobs, > all on 100 lb book gloss, which fed flawlessly. I still have two on > the 70 lb offset which won't feed. I have a fresh case of paper and > a new blade in the cutter, but I doubt that will make any > difference, the other paper fanned apart easily, hung straight down > with no static attraction. I don't know why it won't feed. > The cutter is fixed, the collator is fixed. The platemaker will put > out plates if you trick it into ejecting the material after each > jam. If I keep working all weekend I may not be too far behind on > Monday. > This morning looks like Christmas, snowing like crazy. > We went out to breakfast with my Dad at an Elks fundraiser. Another > 90 year old came over and joined us. Neither of them could ever in > their lives remember such a cold spring. And they went on to > reminisce about many other things. So we got a history lesson as > well as breakfast. > Back to work. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. From sos at olympus.net Mon Apr 21 11:05:50 2008 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Apr 21 18:48:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Employees Was: Anniversary References: Message-ID: <02e401c8a3c1$2fd17190$6900a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Borzou Azabdaftari" > So what are the two books? >>>> (1) Seven Habits of Highly Successful People >>>> (2) The E-Myth Revisited >>>> >>>> Bill Werkheiser ============================= They are right there in your own email. By the way you are supposed to clip out the old messages, and not repost them over and over and over. Of course in this case it made it easy to answer your question since the answer was right there. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From copythatnyc at aol.com Mon Apr 21 10:19:34 2008 From: copythatnyc at aol.com (Tommy Melendez) Date: Mon Apr 21 18:48:42 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Covers Message-ID: <8CA71D1D9C5E958-DE4-2F3@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> I'm looking for a gold stamping of leatherette covers for 100 books.? No printing on spine.? I remember way back when you can have these printed & all that was needed was to place documents in center & peel off the adhesives strips on each side.? Any recommendations will do. Thanks as always. Copy That, Inc. "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" 3515 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.892.1859 718.892.2315 Fax www.copythatnyc.com From info at desktopsxm.com Mon Apr 21 19:00:01 2008 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Mon Apr 21 18:57:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need freight shipped to Europe In-Reply-To: <480CC487.2040908@copycats.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080421092932.032f53d8@bucksdigital.com> <480CC487.2040908@copycats.com> Message-ID: <6BCABAA8-F440-47EE-8E26-1FF3E57BA75E@desktopsxm.com> In NYC there should be a lot of shipping companies. look up in your yellow pages for freight forwarders. I know a few in Miami but that will not help you. Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten Tel 542-4044 fax 543-1100 "The Printshop with a Difference" On Apr 21, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Robert Stor wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a large job that needs to ship to about a dozen addresses in > Europe (We are in NYC). Ideally, they would go by ship to Europe > and be shipped to the addresses once it is there. The total > quantity is about 3-4 skids, so shipping via FedEx is very expensive. > > Does anyone have a source for this kind of shipping/freight > consolidating? > > Thanks, > Bob Stor > Copycats > New York, NY > 212-557-2111 x20 > www.copycats.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From dominick at fmtc.com Mon Apr 21 19:00:23 2008 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Mon Apr 21 19:00:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Tech Support Message-ID: <480D1C87.90009@fmtc.com> Man, what a wasted 40 minutes. Just bought the Canon iPF8000s, full color 44" wide format printer. Cannot select a custom paper size in InDesign. Canon says, "we do not support non-graphic layout programs". Duh! How more Adobe graphics can you get? He says "you can do it from Photoshop". So I said prove it. He could not. He also says, InDesign will cut off at 30" because it is not a supported program by canon. So the last straw was when I said, "so why did I buy a 44" if I can only print 30?" He stuttered, and I hung up. I'll never get that 40 minutes back..... Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com From brianoday at eprint.us Mon Apr 21 19:02:02 2008 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Mon Apr 21 19:05:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vinyl coverstock In-Reply-To: <000601c8a3e8$64334180$1e00000a@tech.local> References: <000601c8a3e8$64334180$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <004f01c8a403$b667c410$800101df@eprint.local> MTM IN Portland. Talk to Mark phone (503) 612-0565. We used to buy from Paper Plus, once they were out and told me that is where they get them. Great folks they even advertise in Larry Hunts newsletter. Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Gross Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:46 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Vinyl coverstock ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Looking today for a source of black vinyl for the back of GBC bound training manuals. TIA Note new email address: jagross@techiowa.com John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc Iowa City, Iowa 52240 techiowa.com - _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Michael at wolfiesprint.com Mon Apr 21 19:44:59 2008 From: Michael at wolfiesprint.com (Michael Wolf) Date: Mon Apr 21 19:44:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] PrintOwners] Need freight shipped to Europe In-Reply-To: <480CC487.2040908@copycats.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080421092932.032f53d8@bucksdigital.com> <480CC487.2040908@copycats.com> Message-ID: <06bb01c8a409$b68f6190$23ae24b0$@com> Contact Bryan Law - specialist freight forwarder bryan@ajkeeler.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robert Stor Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:45 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Need freight shipped to Europe ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a large job that needs to ship to about a dozen addresses in Europe (We are in NYC). Ideally, they would go by ship to Europe and be shipped to the addresses once it is there. The total quantity is about 3-4 skids, so shipping via FedEx is very expensive. Does anyone have a source for this kind of shipping/freight consolidating? Thanks, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3044 (20080421) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3044 (20080421) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From robin at protypeonline.com Mon Apr 21 22:33:24 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Mon Apr 21 22:33:34 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] James Burns Spiral Coil Message-ID: does anyone have the James Burns spiral coil inserter and the auto punch -- equivalent units to the Rhino HD7000 and HD 4300 inserter -- both small tabletop units but built strong. We have Rhino but a dealer wants me to look at his James Burns. My gut says, "go with the flow" and seems to me, including us, most have the Rhino? robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From mkb1 at good-impressions.com Mon Apr 21 23:39:54 2008 From: mkb1 at good-impressions.com (Marian Bredin) Date: Mon Apr 21 22:40:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] DPM 2340 platemaker In-Reply-To: <143B0C6B-00DF-4568-BD0F-A5FB24F05338@interiorgraphics.com> Message-ID: <20080422024044.C9AC1EE9B16@rb.enter.net> Michelle, I bought one recently for $12,000. Presstek charged about $4,000 for installation and training. We are pleased with it. It replaced a DPM 2000. Marian Marian Bredin Good Impressions Inc 325 W Washington Ave. Washington, NJ 07882 908-689-3071 Fax: 908-689-7369 http://www.good-impressions.com From bernies at printnetusa.com Mon Apr 21 23:32:20 2008 From: bernies at printnetusa.com (BernieS) Date: Mon Apr 21 23:32:14 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CD Duplication In-Reply-To: <0b8601c8a3bf$d8849df0$6a01a8c0@brianspc> References: <480A81C4.7080803@werkheiser.com> <0b8601c8a3bf$d8849df0$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Message-ID: <025e01c8a429$7955a710$dd8df745@DG2CHT61> We do them, but without labels. We print directly to the CD. Bernie Schreiber PrintNet USA, Inc. Cockrill Bend Industrial Park 7005 Westbelt Drive Nashville, TN? 37209 ? 615.385.9100? phone 615.298.4234? fax ? bernies@printnetusa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brian Helminen Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:56 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] CD Duplication ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does anyone do CD Duplication and labels or have a good source? My customer needs 1000 of them turned around in less than 1 week. (burn and label... or print right on the cd.) I noticed that there was a post on this subject a while back, but no replies so thought I'd try... Brian Helminen, Designotype Printers, Inc. 22950 Airpark Blvd. Calumet, MI 49913 906-482-2424 Fax 906-482-2266 www.designotype.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au Mon Apr 21 23:42:51 2008 From: Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au (Harry Brelsford) Date: Mon Apr 21 23:43:40 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Tech Support In-Reply-To: <480D1C87.90009@fmtc.com> References: <480D1C87.90009@fmtc.com> Message-ID: Joe, You have to go to "Setup" from the print window > Preferences > Page Setup >Size Options and create you custom size. Then select it in the Page Setup window. You can print up to 44" wide and probably 10 feet long. Harry >Man, what a wasted 40 minutes. > >Just bought the Canon iPF8000s, full color 44" wide format printer. >Cannot select a custom paper size in InDesign. > >Canon says, "we do not support non-graphic layout programs". Duh! >How more Adobe graphics can you get? He says "you can do it from >Photoshop". So I said prove it. He could not. > >He also says, InDesign will cut off at 30" because it is not a >supported program by canon. So the last straw was when I said, "so >why did I buy a 44" if I can only print 30?" He stuttered, and I >hung up. > >I'll never get that 40 minutes back..... > >Joe Dominick > >Dominick's Quality Printing >542 W. Idaho Avenue >Ontario Oregon 97914 >541.881.1121 >Fax 541.881.1599 > >www.dominicksprinting.com >dominick@fmtc.com -- Harry Brelsford Varsity Graphics Shop 2 - 195 Varsity Parade Varsity Lakes QLD 4227 Australia Ph: 61 7 5575 9417 Fax: 61 7 5575 8091 Harry@VarsityGraphics.com.au From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Apr 22 00:01:34 2008 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Apr 22 00:01:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minnesota? Message-ID: <2AEC54B0-476F-4480-B013-BBBAD67BBB62@protypeonline.com> Anyone near Mora, MN ? robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From paula at curryprint.com Tue Apr 22 06:31:19 2008 From: paula at curryprint.com (Paula Smith) Date: Tue Apr 22 06:33:01 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CD Duplication In-Reply-To: <0b8601c8a3bf$d8849df0$6a01a8c0@brianspc> References: <480A81C4.7080803@werkheiser.com> <0b8601c8a3bf$d8849df0$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Message-ID: <001b01c8a464$01f24a80$9701a8c0@curry.local> Brian: I've had success with www.nationwidedisc.com. Paula Smith Curry Printing & Copy Center 314 North Charles Street Baltimore, Maryland 21201 410.685.2679 410.685.1018 fax www.curryprint.com paula@curryprint.com "IMPOSSIBLE DEADLINES MET" > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brian Helminen > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:56 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] CD Duplication > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone do CD Duplication and labels or have a good source? > My customer needs 1000 of them turned around in less than 1 week. (burn > and > label... or print right on the cd.) > I noticed that there was a post on this subject a while back, but no > replies > so thought I'd try... > Brian Helminen, > Designotype Printers, Inc. > 22950 Airpark Blvd. > Calumet, MI 49913 > 906-482-2424 > Fax 906-482-2266 > www.designotype.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From paula at curryprint.com Tue Apr 22 06:31:49 2008 From: paula at curryprint.com (Paula Smith) Date: Tue Apr 22 06:33:11 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vinyl coverstock In-Reply-To: <000601c8a3e8$64334180$1e00000a@tech.local> References: <000601c8a3e8$64334180$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <001c01c8a464$13913f30$9701a8c0@curry.local> Try www.swplastic.com Paula Smith Curry Printing & Copy Center 314 North Charles Street Baltimore, Maryland 21201 410.685.2679 410.685.1018 fax www.curryprint.com paula@curryprint.com "IMPOSSIBLE DEADLINES MET" > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Gross > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 3:46 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] Vinyl coverstock > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Looking today for a source of black vinyl for the back of GBC bound > training > manuals. > > TIA > > Note new email address: jagross@techiowa.com > > John A. Gross > Technigraphics, Inc > Iowa City, Iowa 52240 > techiowa.com > > > > - > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From bherion at bucksdigital.com Tue Apr 22 07:15:28 2008 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Tue Apr 22 07:15:38 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thank you Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080422071336.03268950@bucksdigital.com> Just a quick note to all for being so kind and freely giving with your experiences and advice. -Bob Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's We use Recycled and Certified Papers Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From bob at rjmprinting.com Tue Apr 22 08:08:28 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Tue Apr 22 08:08:43 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minnesota? In-Reply-To: <2AEC54B0-476F-4480-B013-BBBAD67BBB62@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: We are 60 miles from Mora Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:02 PM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Minnesota? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Anyone near Mora, MN ? robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing, Inc. 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bob at rjmprinting.com Tue Apr 22 08:16:40 2008 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Tue Apr 22 08:16:46 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CD Duplication In-Reply-To: <0b8601c8a3bf$d8849df0$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Message-ID: Brian, We do CD Duplication and Print on the CD. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brian Helminen Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:56 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] CD Duplication ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does anyone do CD Duplication and labels or have a good source? My customer needs 1000 of them turned around in less than 1 week. (burn and label... or print right on the cd.) I noticed that there was a post on this subject a while back, but no replies so thought I'd try... Brian Helminen, Designotype Printers, Inc. 22950 Airpark Blvd. Calumet, MI 49913 906-482-2424 Fax 906-482-2266 www.designotype.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kellycrom at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 09:31:26 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Tue Apr 22 09:31:39 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Minnesota? In-Reply-To: <2AEC54B0-476F-4480-B013-BBBAD67BBB62@protypeonline.com> References: <2AEC54B0-476F-4480-B013-BBBAD67BBB62@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <00a101c8a47d$2adca670$6d01a8c0@KELLY> I'm about 90 minutes away. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:02 PM > To: printowners printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] Minnesota? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Anyone near Mora, MN ? > robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From acepm2 at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 09:39:46 2008 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Tue Apr 22 09:39:56 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need freight shipped to Europe In-Reply-To: <480CC487.2040908@copycats.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080421092932.032f53d8@bucksdigital.com> <480CC487.2040908@copycats.com> Message-ID: Robert, What is "it" that you are shipping? Mail? Already addressed? Printing? What? Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Robert Stor wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a large job that needs to ship to about a dozen addresses in Europe > (We are in NYC). Ideally, they would go by ship to Europe and be shipped to > the addresses once it is there. The total quantity is about 3-4 skids, so > shipping via FedEx is very expensive. > > Does anyone have a source for this kind of shipping/freight consolidating? > > Thanks, > Bob Stor > Copycats > New York, NY > 212-557-2111 x20 > www.copycats.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Tue Apr 22 09:42:18 2008 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King) Date: Tue Apr 22 09:42:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] AB Dick PlateMaster DPM34 Advice Needed Message-ID: <000601c8a47e$aeb2ff20$0c18fd60$@com> We're back in the prepress stone ages here (imagesetter, negative stripping, plate burner) and are just now considering going direct to plate. Our local sales guy wants us to get a DPM34 for our Ryobi 3302C press. Any thoughts? Advice? Thanks in advance! Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Tue Apr 22 09:58:14 2008 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Tue Apr 22 09:58:31 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] AB Dick PlateMaster DPM34 Advice Needed In-Reply-To: <000601c8a47e$aeb2ff20$0c18fd60$@com> References: <000601c8a47e$aeb2ff20$0c18fd60$@com> Message-ID: Have it. Love it. Same press as well... Saves us tons of time. We have not had new negatives made for anything since we purchase it about 15 months ago. Any specific questions? Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Apr 22, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Tom King wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We're back in the prepress stone ages here (imagesetter, negative > stripping, > plate burner) and are just now considering going direct to plate. > Our local > sales guy wants us to get a DPM34 for our Ryobi 3302C press. Any > thoughts? > Advice? > > Thanks in advance! > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From brian at designotype.com Tue Apr 22 10:02:24 2008 From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen) Date: Tue Apr 22 10:02:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] CD Duplication-Up Date References: Message-ID: <0d8501c8a481$7e17bb00$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Thanks all for your replies, we will keep you in mind for future possibilities. For this particular job, the customer found their own source. I was a couple hours late in getting back to them. We normally would have just politely told the customer that we do no do them, but in this case, it was a large job that I thought had good potential. Brian Helminen Designotype Printers, Inc. 22950 Airpark Blvd. Calumet, MI 49913 906-482-2424 Fax 906-482-2266 www.designotype.com ----- Original Message ----- > > Brian, > > We do CD Duplication and Print on the CD. > > Bob Molacek From eric at digi-print.com Tue Apr 22 10:07:26 2008 From: eric at digi-print.com (Eric Weber) Date: Tue Apr 22 10:07:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Any 2-up metal CTP users? In-Reply-To: References: <000601c8a47e$aeb2ff20$0c18fd60$@com> Message-ID: We are preparing to upgrade our CTP and are looking at all the usual players - PressTek Vector TX52, the Big H 2-up device, among others. Any current users? Satisfied or no? RIP and workflow extras? TIA ... -- *********************************************************************** Eric Weber Sales / General Manager / Vice President PrintDigital Inc. 4688 Darrow Rd., Stow, OH 44224 330-686-5945 Fax 330-686-5329 www.digi-print.com eric@digi-print.com ***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and delete this copy from your system. Thank you for your co-operation. *********************************************************************** From nbaker at perfpress.com Tue Apr 22 10:40:01 2008 From: nbaker at perfpress.com (Nate Baker) Date: Tue Apr 22 10:40:15 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Presstek Dimension In-Reply-To: <20080422023339.2607DEE9A67@rb.enter.net> References: <20080422023339.2607DEE9A67@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <732695C6-47F9-451C-8D6B-3B5281415671@perfpress.com> List, I'm getting moire's in some CMYK files. The Presstek techs have suggested several fixes, but really they have no idea what's causing it. I suppose I've got a setting wrong somewhere. Any suggestions? Thanks, Nate Baker Perfection Press, Inc. 18009 Skypark Circle, Suite E Irvine, CA 92614 949-862-7482 direct 949-862-7484 fax nbaker@perfpress.com On Apr 21, 2008, at 7:33 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > Send PrintOwners mailing list submissions to > printowners@printweb.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > printowners-request@printweb.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > printowners-owner@printweb.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of PrintOwners digest..." > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Digest ***** > > Today's Topics: > > 1. CD Duplication (Brian Helminen) > 2. Re: Rant Update (Greg Weinfurter) > 3. Re: Employees Was: Anniversary (Dan Huntingford) > 4. RE: Covers (Tommy Melendez) > 5. Re: Need freight shipped to Europe (Joel Brint) > 6. Canon Tech Support (Dominick's Printing) > 7. RE: Vinyl coverstock (Brian O'Day) > 8. PrintOwners] Need freight shipped to Europe (Michael Wolf) > 9. James Burns Spiral Coil (Robin Niewold) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:56:14 -0400 > From: "Brian Helminen" > Subject: [PrintOwners] CD Duplication > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Message-ID: <0b8601c8a3bf$d8849df0$6a01a8c0@brianspc> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > Does anyone do CD Duplication and labels or have a good source? > My customer needs 1000 of them turned around in less than 1 week. > (burn and > label... or print right on the cd.) > I noticed that there was a post on this subject a while back, but > no replies > so thought I'd try... > Brian Helminen, > Designotype Printers, Inc. > 22950 Airpark Blvd. > Calumet, MI 49913 > 906-482-2424 > Fax 906-482-2266 > www.designotype.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:52:28 -0500 > From: Greg Weinfurter > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Rant Update > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Dan, Friday night, I drank enough for both of us. > > Greg > > On Apr 20, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >>> Never underestimate the power of good ole Monty Python! >>> Joe Dominick >> ======================== >> >> I watched the Holly Grail a couple weeks ago with my 13 year old >> daughter. It was great. "Tis not but a scratch, come on fight me." >> >> Friday I was here till about 9:00 PM baby sitting the platesetter, >> but getting plates out. Saturday I printed three full color jobs, >> all on 100 lb book gloss, which fed flawlessly. I still have two on >> the 70 lb offset which won't feed. I have a fresh case of paper and >> a new blade in the cutter, but I doubt that will make any >> difference, the other paper fanned apart easily, hung straight down >> with no static attraction. I don't know why it won't feed. >> The cutter is fixed, the collator is fixed. The platemaker will put >> out plates if you trick it into ejecting the material after each >> jam. If I keep working all weekend I may not be too far behind on >> Monday. >> This morning looks like Christmas, snowing like crazy. >> We went out to breakfast with my Dad at an Elks fundraiser. Another >> 90 year old came over and joined us. Neither of them could ever in >> their lives remember such a cold spring. And they went on to >> reminisce about many other things. So we got a history lesson as >> well as breakfast. >> Back to work. >> >> Dan Huntingford >> SOS Printing >> 2319 Washington Street >> Port Townsend, WA 98368 >> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >> sos@olympus.net >> (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:05:50 -0700 > From: "Dan Huntingford" > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Employees Was: Anniversary > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Message-ID: <02e401c8a3c1$2fd17190$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Borzou Azabdaftari" > >> So what are the two books? > >>>>> (1) Seven Habits of Highly Successful People >>>>> (2) The E-Myth Revisited >>>>> >>>>> Bill Werkheiser > ============================= > > They are right there in your own email. By the way you are > supposed to > clip out the old messages, and not repost them over and over and > over. Of > course in this case it made it easy to answer your question since > the answer > was right there. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:19:34 -0400 > From: Tommy Melendez > Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Covers > To: printowners@printweb.org > Message-ID: <8CA71D1D9C5E958-DE4-2F3@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I'm looking for a gold stamping of leatherette covers for 100 > books.? No printing on spine.? I remember way back when you can > have these printed & all that was needed was to place documents in > center & peel off the adhesives strips on each side.? Any > recommendations will do. > > Thanks as always. > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:00:01 -0400 > From: Joel Brint > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Need freight shipped to Europe > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <6BCABAA8-F440-47EE-8E26-1FF3E57BA75E@desktopsxm.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > In NYC there should be a lot of shipping companies. > look up in your yellow pages for freight forwarders. > > I know a few in Miami but that will not help you. > > > Joel Brint > Desktop Imaging > St. Maarten > Tel 542-4044 > fax 543-1100 > > "The Printshop with a Difference" > > > > > On Apr 21, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Robert Stor wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I have a large job that needs to ship to about a dozen addresses in >> Europe (We are in NYC). Ideally, they would go by ship to Europe >> and be shipped to the addresses once it is there. The total >> quantity is about 3-4 skids, so shipping via FedEx is very expensive. >> >> Does anyone have a source for this kind of shipping/freight >> consolidating? >> >> Thanks, >> Bob Stor >> Copycats >> New York, NY >> 212-557-2111 x20 >> www.copycats.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:00:23 -0600 > From: Dominick's Printing > Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Tech Support > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <480D1C87.90009@fmtc.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Man, what a wasted 40 minutes. > > Just bought the Canon iPF8000s, full color 44" wide format printer. > Cannot select a custom paper size in InDesign. > > Canon says, "we do not support non-graphic layout programs". Duh! How > more Adobe graphics can you get? He says "you can do it from > Photoshop". > So I said prove it. He could not. > > He also says, InDesign will cut off at 30" because it is not a > supported > program by canon. So the last straw was when I said, "so why did I > buy a > 44" if I can only print 30?" He stuttered, and I hung up. > > I'll never get that 40 minutes back..... > > Joe Dominick > > Dominick's Quality Printing > 542 W. Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > 541.881.1121 > Fax 541.881.1599 > > www.dominicksprinting.com > dominick@fmtc.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:02:02 -0700 > From: "Brian O'Day" > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Vinyl coverstock > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Message-ID: <004f01c8a403$b667c410$800101df@eprint.local> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > MTM IN Portland. Talk to Mark phone (503) 612-0565. We used to buy > from > Paper Plus, once they were out and told me that is where they get > them. > Great folks they even advertise in Larry Hunts newsletter. > > Brian O'Day > ePrint > 9970 SW Greenburg Rd > Portland, Oregon > brianoday@eprint.us > 503-684-2679 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Gross > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:46 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] Vinyl coverstock > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Looking today for a source of black vinyl for the back of GBC bound > training > manuals. > > TIA > > Note new email address: jagross@techiowa.com > > John A. Gross > Technigraphics, Inc > Iowa City, Iowa 52240 > techiowa.com > > > > - > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:44:59 -0700 > From: "Michael Wolf" > Subject: [PrintOwners] PrintOwners] Need freight shipped to Europe > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > , "'Bryan Law'" > Message-ID: <06bb01c8a409$b68f6190$23ae24b0$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Contact Bryan Law - specialist freight forwarder > bryan@ajkeeler.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robert Stor > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:45 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Need freight shipped to Europe > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a large job that needs to ship to about a dozen addresses in > Europe (We are in NYC). Ideally, they would go by ship to Europe > and be > shipped to the addresses once it is there. The total quantity is about > 3-4 skids, so shipping via FedEx is very expensive. > > Does anyone have a source for this kind of shipping/freight > consolidating? > > Thanks, > Bob Stor > Copycats > New York, NY > 212-557-2111 x20 > www.copycats.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 3044 (20080421) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 3044 (20080421) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:33:24 -0500 > From: Robin Niewold > Subject: [PrintOwners] James Burns Spiral Coil > To: printowners printowners > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > does anyone have the James Burns spiral coil inserter and the auto > punch -- equivalent units to the Rhino HD7000 and HD 4300 inserter -- > both small tabletop units but built strong. We have Rhino but a dealer > wants me to look at his James Burns. My gut says, "go with the flow" > and seems to me, including us, most have the Rhino? > robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing, Inc. > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > End of PrintOwners Digest, Vol 32, Issue 68 > ******************************************* From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Tue Apr 22 10:45:52 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Tue Apr 22 10:46:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rhin-o-tuff In-Reply-To: References: <000601c8a47e$aeb2ff20$0c18fd60$@com> Message-ID: <200804221445.m3MEjqUh023723@mail97c0.megamailservers.com> Anyone have an idea of the cost of a Rhin-o-tuff coil inserter? Specifically a CI300? I've put a bid in on Ebay for this. Thanks Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc Toronto From kevin at proprinters.ca Tue Apr 22 10:58:38 2008 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin at PRO Printers) Date: Tue Apr 22 10:58:44 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rhin-o-tuff References: <000601c8a47e$aeb2ff20$0c18fd60$@com> <200804221445.m3MEjqUh023723@mail97c0.megamailservers.com> Message-ID: <007d01c8a489$58c305f0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> Gordon: Check out Sydney Stone's website: http://www.printfinishing.com/product.php?productid=29&cat=0&page=1 Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Watt" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:45 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Rhin-o-tuff > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Anyone have an idea of the cost of a Rhin-o-tuff coil inserter? > Specifically a CI300? I've put a bid in on Ebay for this. > > Thanks > > Gordon Watt > Xoxo Cyberprint Inc > Toronto > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Tue Apr 22 11:03:26 2008 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Tue Apr 22 11:03:37 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rhin-o-tuff In-Reply-To: <007d01c8a489$58c305f0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> References: <000601c8a47e$aeb2ff20$0c18fd60$@com><200804221445.m3MEjqUh023723@mail97c0.megamailservers.com> <007d01c8a489$58c305f0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <200804221503.m3MF3QAC026309@mail95c0.megamailservers.com> Thanks Kevin. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kevin at PRO Printers Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:59 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Rhin-o-tuff ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Gordon: Check out Sydney Stone's website: http://www.printfinishing.com/product.php?productid=29&cat=0&page=1 Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Watt" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:45 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Rhin-o-tuff > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Anyone have an idea of the cost of a Rhin-o-tuff coil inserter? > Specifically a CI300? I've put a bid in on Ebay for this. > > Thanks > > Gordon Watt > Xoxo Cyberprint Inc > Toronto > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From david.doost at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 11:06:02 2008 From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost) Date: Tue Apr 22 11:07:16 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] AB Dick PlateMaster DPM34 Advice Needed In-Reply-To: <000601c8a47e$aeb2ff20$0c18fd60$@com> References: <000601c8a47e$aeb2ff20$0c18fd60$@com> Message-ID: <480dff02.0609c00a.203f.0f48@mx.google.com> We have one of the first generation DPX models. It has been rock solid with very little maintenance needed. It is now about 8 or 9 years old I think. I am not sure about the newer versions but we have had great experience with ours. Of course the quality of the service locally should play just as important a role as the choice of the CTP you get. If you receive Quick Printing Magazine they had an Advertorial about some of the main CTP units in the latest issue. Here is an online link to it: CTP Product Roundup http://preview.tinyurl.com/6d778n Interestingly they did not have the DPM in it. They must not have wanted to pay to play! David Doost Printing Impression Kennesaw, GA 30144 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tom King Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:42 AM To: Print Owners Subject: [PrintOwners] AB Dick PlateMaster DPM34 Advice Needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We're back in the prepress stone ages here (imagesetter, negative stripping, plate burner) and are just now considering going direct to plate. Our local sales guy wants us to get a DPM34 for our Ryobi 3302C press. Any thoughts? Advice? Thanks in advance! Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kellycrom at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 11:20:37 2008 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Tue Apr 22 11:20:48 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Heidelberg ink key motors Message-ID: <00cc01c8a48c$6b8d53e0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Has anyone ever come across a source for aftermarket or rebuilt ink key motors for Heidelberg presses. On our SM52, we probably replace at least 2 each year. They are over $230 each! I've done many google searches, but found nothing. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Apr 22 11:24:45 2008 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Apr 22 11:24:45 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Any 2-up metal CTP users? In-Reply-To: References: <000601c8a47e$aeb2ff20$0c18fd60$@com> Message-ID: <200804221524.m3MFOVGe079215@i2bnetworks.com> I've looked at them all. In Chicago and at other printers sites. We have a 2 up environment and probably will for a very long time since I have a 4 up trade printer with a coater here in town that we'll continue to send work to for the forseeable future. That being said we'll probably end up with a 4 up platesetter anyway because: The Vector is junk, 1 diode c'mon get serious. I didn't see anything I liked from Platestream. And we're not going violet 'cause the whole point for me in doing this is to go process free DOP (Develop on Press) The Heidleberg is nice, but if I want to keep my Xitron RIP, it'll be $15,000 for a shooter, just to have the privilege of sending my files to their device. What are they thinking over there at H? So for all the reasons above seems like its 4 up whether I need it or not. So I'm down to a Screen 4300 or a Kodak Magnus 400. Until I took a look at John Henry's quotes for his Magnus proposal, and started gasping for O2..... So I'm not a user, but guess I will be soon...I think. Meanwhile back at the ranch, we continue to pump out drum based film and make Matchprints, and not see any bottlenecks because 80% of my staff knows how to strip, burn and plate..... And everything's been paid for for many years.... Can someone remind me again why I want to pay $100,000 to replace stuff that works just fine? S. At 07:07 AM 4/22/2008, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >We are preparing to upgrade our CTP and are looking at all the usual >players - PressTek Vector TX52, the Big H 2-up device, among others. > >Any current users? Satisfied or no? RIP and workflow extras? > >TIA ... > >-- >*********************************************************************** >Eric Weber >Sales / General Manager / Vice President > >PrintDigital Inc. >4688 Darrow Rd., Stow, OH 44224 >330-686-5945 Fax 330-686-5329 >www.digi-print.com eric@digi-print.com > >***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: >This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected >by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware >that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any >attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, >please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and delete >this copy from your system. Thank you for your co-operation. >*********************************************************************** >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 3046 (20080422) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 11:31:22 2008 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Apr 22 11:31:30 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] Heidelberg ink key motors In-Reply-To: <00cc01c8a48c$6b8d53e0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <00cc01c8a48c$6b8d53e0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0804220831m60ac8efbod37726af03864caa@mail.gmail.com> Try Demers Inc. 800-956-3612 http://www.demersinc.com/demers_home.html specializing in heidelberg parts used / rebuilt / some new I've saved a bunch of money on parts from them. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics < kellycrom@gmail.com> wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Has anyone ever come across a source for aftermarket or rebuilt ink key > motors for Heidelberg presses. On our SM52, we probably replace at least 2 > each year. They are over $230 each! I've done many google searches, but > found nothing. > > Kelly Crom > Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 > Plymouth, MN 55441 > (763)231-6970 > kellycrom@gmail.com > www.applied-graphics.com > > From ncgill at gillprintandgraphics.com Tue Apr 22 10:42:03 2008 From: ncgill at gillprintandgraphics.com (ncgill@gillprintandgraphics.com) Date: Tue Apr 22 11:33:33 2008 Subject: [PrintOwners] We're back in the prepress stone age In-Reply-To: <20080422144017.29E12EEB153@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <3c9701c8a487$08b77480$6309a8c0@MINIME> We have the same press and im setter. Best thing we have done. Had the system for 6 years. Good move do it. If you have questions call my husband Stan Gill 504 392-9600 he can help. Nancy Gill GillPrint and Graphics 2310 Park Place Drive Gretna, Louisiana 70056 (504) 392-9600 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of printowners-request@printweb.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:40 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 32, Issue 70 Send PrintOwners mailing list submissions to printowners@printweb.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to printowners-request@printweb.org You can reach the person managing the list at printowners-owner@printweb.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of PrintOwners digest..." ***** This is a PrintOwners List Digest ***** Today's Topics: 1. Re: Need freight shipped to Europe (Thom Gulyas) 2. AB Dick PlateMaster DPM34 Advice Needed (Tom King) 3. Re: AB Dick PlateMaster DPM34 Advice Needed (Ben Travis) 4. Re: CD Duplication-Up Date (Brian Helminen) 5. Any 2-up metal CTP users? (Eric Weber) 6. Presstek Dimension (Nate Baker) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:39:46 -0400 From: "Thom Gulyas" Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Need freight shipped to Europe To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Robert, What is "it" that you are shipping? Mail? Already addressed? Printing? What? Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Robert Stor wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a large job that needs to ship to about a dozen addresses in Europe > (We are in NYC). Ideally, they would go by ship to Europe and be shipped to > the addresses once it is there. The total quantity is about 3-4 skids, so > shipping via FedEx is very expensive. > > Does anyone have a source for this kind of shipping/freight consolidating? > > Thanks, > Bob Stor > Copycats > New York, NY > 212-557-2111 x20 > www.copycats.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:42:18 -0400 From: Tom King Subject: [PrintOwners] AB Dick PlateMaster DPM34 Advice Needed To: Print Owners Message-ID: <000601c8a47e$aeb2ff20$0c18fd60$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We're back in the prepress stone ages here (imagesetter, negative stripping, plate burner) and are just now considering going direct to plate. Our local sales guy wants us to get a DPM34 for our Ryobi 3302C press. Any thoughts? Advice? Thanks in advance! Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:58:14 -0400 From: Ben Travis Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] AB Dick PlateMaster DPM34 Advice Needed To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Have it. Love it. Same press as well... Saves us tons of time. We have not had new negatives made for anything since we purchase it about 15 months ago. Any specific questions? Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Apr 22, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Tom King wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We're back in the prepress stone ages here (imagesetter, negative > stripping, > plate burner) and are just now considering going direct to plate. > Our local > sales guy wants us to get a DPM34 for our Ryobi 3302C press. Any > thoughts? > Advice? > > Thanks in advance! > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:02:24 -0400 From: "Brian Helminen" Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] CD Duplication-Up Date To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Message-ID: <0d8501c8a481$7e17bb00$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Thanks all for your replies, we will keep you in mind for future possibilities. For this particular job, the customer found their own source. I was a couple hours late in getting back to them. We normally would have just politely told the customer that we do no do them, but in this case, it was a large job that I thought had good potential. Brian Helminen Designotype Printers, Inc. 22950 Airpark Blvd. Calumet, MI 49913 906-482-2424 Fax 906-482-2266 www.designotype.com ----- Original Message ----- > > Brian, > > We do CD Duplication and Print on the CD. > > Bob Molacek ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:07:26 -0400 From: Eric Weber Subject: [PrintOwners] Any 2-up metal CTP users? To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" We are preparing to upgrade our CTP and are looking at all the usual players - PressTek Vector TX52, the Big H 2-up device, among others. Any current users? Satisfied or no? RIP and workflow extras? TIA ... -- *********************************************************************** Eric Weber Sales / General Manager / Vice President PrintDigital Inc. 4688 Darrow Rd., Stow, OH 44224 330-686-5945 Fax 330-686-5329 www.digi-print.com eric@digi-print.com ***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and delete this copy from your system. Thank you for your co-operation. *********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:40:01 -0700 From: Nate Baker Subject: [PrintOwners] Presstek Dimension To: printowners@printweb.org Message-ID: <732695C6-47F9-451C-8D6B-3B5281415671@perfpress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed List, I'm getting moire's in some CMYK files. The Presstek techs have suggested several fixes, but really they have no idea what's causing it. I suppose I've got a setting wrong somewhere. Any suggestions? Thanks, Nate Baker Perfection Press, Inc. 18009 Skypark Circle, Suite E Irvine, CA 92614 949-862-7482 direct 949-862-7484 fax nbaker@perfpress.com On Apr 21, 2008, at 7:33 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > Send PrintOwners mailing list submissions to > printowners@printweb.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > printowners-request@printweb.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > printowners-owner@printweb.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of PrintOwners digest..." > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Digest ***** > > Today's Topics: > > 1. CD Duplication (Brian Helminen) > 2. Re: Rant Update (Greg Weinfurter) > 3. Re: Employees Was: Anniversary (Dan Huntingford) > 4. RE: Covers (Tommy Melendez) > 5. Re: Need freight shipped to Europe (Joel Brint) > 6. Canon Tech Support (Dominick's Printing) > 7. RE: Vinyl coverstock (Brian O'Day) > 8. PrintOwners] Need freight shipped to Europe (Michael Wolf) > 9. James Burns Spiral Coil (Robin Niewold) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:56:14 -0400 > From: "Brian Helminen" > Subject: [PrintOwners] CD Duplication > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Message-ID: <0b8601c8a3bf$d8849df0$6a01a8c0@brianspc> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > Does anyone do CD Duplication and labels or have a good source? > My customer needs 1000 of them turned around in less than 1 week. > (burn and > label... or print right on the cd.) > I noticed that there was a post on this subject a while back, but > no replies > so thought I'd try... > Brian Helminen, > Designotype Printers, Inc. > 22950 Airpark Blvd. > Calumet, MI 49913 > 906-482-2424 > Fax 906-482-2266 > www.designotype.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:52:28 -0500 > From: Greg Weinfurter > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Rant Update > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Dan, Friday night, I drank enough for both of us. > > Greg > > On Apr 20, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >>> Never underestimate the power of good ole Monty Python! >>> Joe Dominick >> ======================== >> >> I watched the Holly Grail a couple weeks ago with my 13 year old >> daughter. It was great. "Tis not but a scratch, come on fight me." >> >> Friday I was here till about 9:00 PM baby sitting the platesetter, >> but getting plates out. Saturday I printed three full color jobs, >> all on 100 lb book gloss, which fed flawlessly. I still have two on >> the 70 lb offset which won't feed. I have a fresh case of paper and >> a new blade in the cutter, but I doubt that will make any >> difference, the other paper fanned apart easily, hung straight down >> with no static attraction. I don't know why it won't feed. >> The cutter is fixed, the collator is fixed. The platemaker will put >> out plates if you trick it into ejecting the material after each >> jam. If I keep working all weekend I may not be too far behind on >> Monday. >> This morning looks like Christmas, snowing like crazy. >> We went out to breakfast with my Dad at an Elks fundraiser. Another >> 90 year old came over and joined us. Neither of them could ever in >> their lives remember such a cold spring. And they went on to >> reminisce about many other things. So we got a history lesson as >> well as breakfast. >> Back to work. >> >> Dan Huntingford >> SOS Printing >> 2319 Washington Street >> Port Townsend, WA 98368 >> Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >> sos@olympus.net >> (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:05:50 -0700 > From: "Dan Huntingford" > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Employees Was: Anniversary > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Message-ID: <02e401c8a3c1$2fd17190$6900a8c0@DANIEL> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Borzou Azabdaftari" > >> So what are the two books? > >>>>> (1) Seven Habits of Highly Successful People >>>>> (2) The E-Myth Revisited >>>>> >>>>> Bill Werkheiser > ============================= > > They are right there in your own email. By the way you are > supposed to > clip out the old messages, and not repost them over and over and > over. Of > course in this case it made it easy to answer your question since > the answer > was right there. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:19:34 -0400 > From: Tommy Melendez > Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Covers > To: printowners@printweb.org > Message-ID: <8CA71D1D9C5E958-DE4-2F3@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I'm looking for a gold stamping of leatherette covers for 100 > books.? No printing on spine.? I remember way back when you can > have these printed & all that was needed was to place documents in > center & peel off the adhesives strips on each side.? Any > recommendations will do. > > Thanks as always. > > > Copy That, Inc. > "Where the only thing you can't copy is our service" > 3515 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > 718.892.1859 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.copythatnyc.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:00:01 -0400 > From: Joel Brint > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Need freight shipped to Europe > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <6BCABAA8-F440-47EE-8E26-1FF3E57BA75E@desktopsxm.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > In NYC there should be a lot of shipping companies. > look up in your yellow pages for freight forwarders. > > I know a few in Miami but that will not help you. > > > Joel Brint > Desktop Imaging > St. Maarten > Tel 542-4044 > fax 543-1100 > > "The Printshop with a Difference" > > > > > On Apr 21, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Robert Stor wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I have a large job that needs to ship to about a dozen addresses in >> Europe (We are in NYC). Ideally, they would go by ship to Europe >> and be shipped to the addresses once it is there. The total >> quantity is about 3-4 skids, so shipping via FedEx is very expensive. >> >> Does anyone have a source for this kind of shipping/freight >> consolidating? >> >> Thanks, >> Bob Stor >> Copycats >> New York, NY >> 212-557-2111 x20 >> www.copycats.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:00:23 -0600 > From: Dominick's Printing > Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Tech Support > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <480D1C87.90009@fmtc.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Man, what a wasted 40 minutes. > > Just bought the Canon iPF8000s, full color 44" wide format printer. > Cannot select a custom paper size in InDesign. > > Canon says, "we do not support non-graphic layout programs". Duh! How > more Adobe graphics can you get? He says "you can do it from > Photoshop". > So I said prove it. He could not. > > He also says, InDesign will cut off at 30" because it is not a > supported > program by canon. So the last straw was when I said, "so why did I > buy a > 44" if I can only print 30?" He stuttered, and I hung up. > > I'll never get that 40 minutes back..... > > Joe Dominick > > Dominick's Quality Printing > 542 W. Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > 541.881.1121 > Fax 541.881.1599 > > www.dominicksprinting.com > dominick@fmtc.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:02:02 -0700 > From: "Brian O'Day" > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Vinyl coverstock > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Message-ID: <004f01c8a403$b667c410$800101df@eprint.local> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > MTM IN Portland. Talk to Mark phone (503) 612-0565. We used to buy > from > Paper Plus, once they were out and told me that is where they get > them. > Great folks they even advertise in Larry Hunts newsletter. > > Brian O'Day > ePrint > 9970 SW Greenburg Rd > Portland, Oregon > brianoday@eprint.us > 503-684-2679 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Gross > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:46 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] Vinyl coverstock > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Looking today for a source of black vinyl for the back of GBC bound > training > manuals. > > TIA > > Note new email address: jagross@techiowa.com > > John A. Gross > Technigraphics, Inc > Iowa City, Iowa 52240 > techiowa.com > > > > - > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:44:59 -0700 > From: "Michael Wolf" > Subject: [PrintOwners] PrintOwners] Need freight shipped to Europe > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > , "'Bryan Law'" > Message-ID: <06bb01c8a409$b68f6190$23ae24b0$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Contact Bryan Law - specialist freight forwarder > bryan@ajkeeler.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robert Stor > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:45 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Need freight shipped to Europe > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a large job that needs to ship to about a dozen addresses in > Europe (We are in NYC). Ideally, they would go by ship to Europe > and be > shipped to the addresses once it is there. The total quantity is about > 3-4 skids, so shipping via FedEx is very expensive. > > Does anyone have a source for this kind of shipping/freight > consolidating? > > Thanks, > Bob Stor > Copycats > New York, NY > 212-557-2111 x20 > www.copycats.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@p