From mkb1 at good-impressions.com  Sat Sep  1 00:23:28 2007
From: mkb1 at good-impressions.com (Marian Bredin)
Date: Fri Aug 31 23:24:49 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Off - Corporate spelling Bee
In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0708310902x4d633292j110969ad1fe3afc3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070901032448.7F662B10488@rb.enter.net>

>> Shouldn't that be "Proud Sponsre"?

Or maybe "Proud Sponsor"?

Marian Bredin
Good Impressions Inc
325 W Washington Ave.
Washington, NJ 07882
908-689-3071  Fax: 908-689-7369
http://www.good-impressions.com 


From braddpotter at juno.com  Sat Sep  1 02:55:21 2007
From: braddpotter at juno.com (Brad D Potter)
Date: Sat Sep  1 02:54:57 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] To pay or not to pay
Message-ID: <20070831.235522.1432.3.braddpotter@juno.com>

  In the over all scheme of things the money is pocket change.  The
message of disciple without punishment (The pdf of the NAQP white paper
is all over the net, I am sure it could be found easily)   is that the
employee IS valued and that you are not willing to accept substandard
behavior.  It is NOT about the stupid paycheck, it IS about sub standard
performance.  

jmtymmv

brad

Printing Services
www.myprintsource.net 
3480 SE Bethel Road 
Port Orchard, Washington   98366
360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax






> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>  I don't believe that getting paid for the day off is going to  
> drive home
> the message that this is unacceptable behavior. It's more like a  
> reward. Any
> time she wants time off with pay.....make a mistake<G>
 
 
If I got a day off with pay for every mistake I've made in  
typesetting I'd be retired.

Printing Services
www.myprintsource.net 
3480 SE Bethel Road 
Port Orchard, Washington   98366
360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax
From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Sat Sep  1 12:21:33 2007
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Sat Sep  1 12:21:33 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] To pay or not to pay
In-Reply-To: <20070831.235522.1432.3.braddpotter@juno.com>
References: <20070831.235522.1432.3.braddpotter@juno.com>
Message-ID: <009d01c7ecb4$296016a0$6601a8c0@corapurvine>

Brad, that would work with an employee that really wants the job, but some I
have worked with would just laugh and say "whoopee, I got  a day off and got
paid ".It is a game with them to see how much they can get away with.  My
thought is that it depends on the employee, but the book that Paris wrote
would take care of both situations wouldn't it<G>


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

From mkb1 at good-impressions.com  Sat Sep  1 13:39:22 2007
From: mkb1 at good-impressions.com (Marian Bredin)
Date: Sat Sep  1 12:40:46 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] BNI questions
In-Reply-To: <46D6A88D.30510.4FF45FA5@slb.inkspot.net>
Message-ID: <20070901164045.CB27EB1ED79@rb.enter.net>

Steve,

I have belonged to BNI for 2 years and have found it more than pays for
itself. I have BNI set up as a sales rep in PrintSmith so I can track sales.
It's $12,575 this year through July. I have gotten 4 significant accounts
(more than $3,000 per year) and several smaller ones. 

It is a commitment--weekly meeting at 7 a.m. and bring referrals. Our group
(and I think most of them) is primarily small business, but the focus is not
so much to sell to the group, as to sell to their sphere of influence. For
example, I didn't expect much in the way of business from a Mary Kay rep,
but she knows someone who works for a company that does big mailings. I
think I have a good shot at landing that account.

I would suggest going as a guest to see what you think. I really enjoy our
group. I'd be glad to talk to you about it. Call me at 908-689-3071.

Marian

Marian Bredin
Good Impressions Inc
325 W Washington Ave.
Washington, NJ 07882
908-689-3071  Fax: 908-689-7369
http://www.good-impressions.com 


From dominick at fmtc.com  Sat Sep  1 13:04:40 2007
From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing)
Date: Sat Sep  1 13:05:13 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Shocking Prices
Message-ID: <46D99BA8.1050904@fmtc.com>

Wow! How far behind in lowering prices am I???

Quoted a 150 page (all fronts) 8.5 x 11 booklet, spiral bound, every 
page color photos, with clear covers, at $45 each. Used 29 cents per 
copy plus binding.

Customer wanted 100 books.

Job went to another "copier" company for a total of $20 per book. 
Allowing $2 for binding, that is 12 cents per color copy!

I guess I don't want to work for that cheep.  Your thoughts?

Joe Dominick

Dominick's Quality Printing
542 W. Idaho Avenue
Ontario Oregon 97914
541.881.1121
Fax 541.881.1599

www.dominicksprinting.com
dominick@fmtc.com

Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider
Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here!
From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com  Sat Sep  1 13:09:41 2007
From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn)
Date: Sat Sep  1 13:10:35 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Employment agency
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20070831131746.0291eee8@192.168.1.1>
Message-ID: <NCBBLKEPIPMAFICNFNJKGEKBHMAA.bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com>

It sounds like you hired the guy. I don't know what to say. You never signed
anything, so I don't know what legal basis they have to collect money. Of
course, that wouldn't prevent them from hounding you. These guys sound like
crooks.

Bernie Bahn  | President | Creative Imaging Inc
1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200  | St. Louis MO 63026

Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 |
bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

http://www.creativeimaginginc.com <http://www.creativeimaginginc.com/>
Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Brad Weston
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 2:36 PM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] Employment agency


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

We have been trying to replace our "Operation/CSR Manager" who is retiring.
We have never been successful with our local paper. We are to far a drive
from the bigger cities (Sacramento & San Francisco) so we don't advertise
in those papers. We have found some applicants on "Craig's List" so we put
the job description there. I guess the employment agencies cruise these
list all day long trying to put employees and employers together. In our
situation an agency saw our ad looking for a "Operation/CSR Manager" and
found an job seeker with 20 years experience in printing on "Career
Builders" web site. He contacted the applicant to send him her resume, he
put his name and company name at the top sent it to us and now wants 20%
fee, about $9000 for the first years salary.
This is my first experience with actually hiring some through an agency.
What should I do about the $9000? Am I obligated? Do I negotiate?


Thanks
Brad Weston
Auburn Printers
13020 Earhart Ave
Auburn CA 95602
"Endurance Capitol of the World"
<bradw@auburnprint.com>
530-885-9674 Phone
530-885-6517 Fax
<<http://www.auburnprint.com/>http://www.auburnprint.com/>
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From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Sun Sep  2 19:07:02 2007
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Sun Sep  2 19:07:14 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Shocking Prices
In-Reply-To: <46D99BA8.1050904@fmtc.com>
References: <46D99BA8.1050904@fmtc.com>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0709021607t521f70d6sffdbcce353eb119f@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/1/07, Dominick's Printing <dominick@fmtc.com> wrote:
>
> Wow! How far behind in lowering prices am I???
>
> Quoted a 150 page (all fronts) 8.5 x 11 booklet, spiral bound, every
> page color photos, with clear covers, at $45 each. Used 29 cents per
> copy plus binding.
>
> Customer wanted 100 books.
>
> Job went to another "copier" company for a total of $20 per book.
> Allowing $2 for binding, that is 12 cents per color copy!
>
> I guess I don't want to work for that cheep.  Your thoughts?

Joe,
I think you have to look at it differently to determine the supposed
undesirability of doing this job at a price like that.
100 books of 150 pages is 15,000 color pages.
At the typical .06 (or less) click cost today, and assuming run 2-up,
and assuming using a 60# opaque (which we use for highly competitive
work unless something else is specifically requested), your cost be be
.03/page(click) + .009/page(paper) x 15,000 = $585. 15,000 @ 0.12 =
$1,800 for a 67.5% margin.
7,500 11x17 clicks / an average of 22/minute = 5.68 hours of run time.
$1800-$585 = $1215 / 5.68  = $214/hour of margin.

Unless your color printer work load is typically at capacity, why not?

Greg W wrote;
> At those prices,
> they are clearly not making any kind of profit from it.


Oh? Is there something wrong with my math?


Greg wrote:
> Stand firm.  If you can't make any money on it, then you are a
> "dead printer working" (taken from Crouser).

Of course you shouldn't do work if you're only trading dollars, but
that's hardly the case in your example. Stand firm on principles, but
be pragmatic where profits are concerned. The margins may be less than
typically desired, but the operative thought here is that we must be
alert to price/value differentiation and of our ability to profitably
sell at price points well below what we've grown accustomed to.

Joe wrote:
> I guess I don't want to work for that cheep.

While I would not have quoted a price as low as the one that won this
job, given the choice of doing the job at this price or not at all,
and assuming I had the production capacity or sufficient time to find
it, I'd be perfectly okay with working this "cheap."



-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com

====================================
Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
                                                     ~ Lord Bacon
From printian at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 06:38:25 2007
From: printian at gmail.com (Ian Franks)
Date: Mon Sep  3 06:38:45 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Batch printing
Message-ID: <d69b9f3a0709030338p4421c433geeb4484a4fb27ffd@mail.gmail.com>

Hi
I have just discovered the joys of batch printing in Acrobat. We had to
print and staple 240 assessments for a customer what a pleasure. Are there
more tricks like this? I did notice that you have set up the printer first
as the default with the correct size.

-- 
Regards
Ian Franks
Print Image
3 Corlett Drive, Illovo, JHB
Ph 011 447 3133
Fax 011 447 0642
sales@printimage.co.za
www.printimage.co.za
From ep101 at technaprint.com  Mon Sep  3 11:08:27 2007
From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson)
Date: Mon Sep  3 11:08:53 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] To pay or not to pay
In-Reply-To: <BAY117-F32A9FFADFDCDA6AF358B20DECE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C301717B.29A0F%ep101@technaprint.com>

> I figured it was better to be magnanimous and not have the added resentment
> for not being paid a stumbling block in the possibility of changing the
> behavior.

Excellent decision!

Eric Pearson
President/C.E.O.

------------ 

TechnaPrint, Inc.
909 Garfield Street
Eugene, OR 97402-2706
(541) 344-4062
(541) 344-1765 Fax

ep101@technaprint.com
www.technaprint.com



From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 13:45:00 2007
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Mon Sep  3 13:45:22 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Shocking Prices
In-Reply-To: <D8B1E7CB-5E25-428D-9210-E4E28D06E293@bfm.org>
References: <46D99BA8.1050904@fmtc.com>
	<98f5b19a0709021607t521f70d6sffdbcce353eb119f@mail.gmail.com>
	<D8B1E7CB-5E25-428D-9210-E4E28D06E293@bfm.org>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0709031045u9dc4996s438285249941c819@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/31/07, Greg Weinfurter <pressexpress@bfm.org> wrote:
>
> Sorry Mike, not all of us get .06 cents per click service.  In my
> rural area, and my volume, I unfortunately pay a much higher service
> click.   I do not have many options for service.  I suppose if I was
> in a larger area doing 50-100 thousand clicks per month, I could get
> better service rates and justify buying a real work horse with .06
> cent rates as opposed to my Canon imagerunner 3200.

If that's the case in your market, Greg, then I would guess you're not
likely to run into 12-cent competition. (12 cents is an extremely low
price anywhere, btw, particularly for the type of job described in
this thread).


> 12 cent color copies?  With more and more hybrid copiers (black/
> color) getting in the average workplace, (offices, realtors, schools,
> etc...) plus the machines getting cheaper and cheaper, the future for
> color copies being profitable looks grim.


Not necessarily. The market for color is continually expanding. You
need to plan for the long-term: build volume (taking smaller margins
if necessary) to put yourself in the position of being able to justify
equipment that will lower your cost of production, so you can sell at
competitive prices while still making a fair profit. The low-cost
producer has the competitive advantage (without having to give up the
highest selling prices available in the market).

Conversely, you need to have the capability to be able to seek work
that is not easily produced on hybrid office printers: VDP, mailing
services, document management, niche solutions, etc.

The free market will automatically move in the direction of
commoditization, and it doesn't help to complain about those who can
sell at a lower price and still make a profit. The challenge is to
keep commoditization at bay by adapting and seeking new revenue
streams. In my example, I was only trying to point out how plausible
it is to be able to sell at a very low price and still make a profit.
YMMV, but it needs to move in that direction to remain viable.


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com

====================================
Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
                                                     ~ Lord Bacon
From tstrickland at studiodesignsprinting.com  Tue Sep  4 09:39:31 2007
From: tstrickland at studiodesignsprinting.com (tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com)
Date: Tue Sep  4 09:39:49 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] music on hold
References: <46D99BA8.1050904@fmtc.com><98f5b19a0709021607t521f70d6sffdbcce353eb119f@mail.gmail.com><D8B1E7CB-5E25-428D-9210-E4E28D06E293@bfm.org>
	<98f5b19a0709031045u9dc4996s438285249941c819@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005401c7eef9$06ccf030$0400a8c0@TravisComp>

We currently subscribe to Mike Stevens marketing package that includes a CD with music on hold. We've been mailing the same package for some time and are looking to switch to another package soon. We like the CD but they do not offer the music on hold CD by itself (I've asked several times). Do any of you use another supplier where I might could find other good on-hold advertisements?

Thanks,
Travis

Travis Strickland
Studio Designs Printing
Milledgeville, GA 31061
From cahill at bizprint.com  Tue Sep  4 10:02:34 2007
From: cahill at bizprint.com (Cahill@bizprint.com)
Date: Tue Sep  4 10:01:54 2007
Subject: Spam:********, [PrintOwners] music on hold
In-Reply-To: <005401c7eef9$06ccf030$0400a8c0@TravisComp>
Message-ID: <C302C19A.D7CE%cahill@bizprint.com>


We use the on hold experience.  You can call us and we will put you on hold
if you want a sample.      onhold@pacbell.net
-- 
Cahill Jones
BizPrint
Boise, Idaho



> From: <tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com>
> Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> <printowners@printweb.org>
> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 09:39:31 -0400
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> <printowners@printweb.org>
> Subject: Spam:********, [PrintOwners] music on hold
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> We currently subscribe to Mike Stevens marketing package that includes a CD
> with music on hold. We've been mailing the same package for some time and are
> looking to switch to another package soon. We like the CD but they do not
> offer the music on hold CD by itself (I've asked several times). Do any of you
> use another supplier where I might could find other good on-hold
> advertisements?
> 
> Thanks,
> Travis
> 
> Travis Strickland
> Studio Designs Printing
> Milledgeville, GA 31061
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From pressexpress at bfm.org  Tue Sep  4 10:32:29 2007
From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Tue Sep  4 10:34:07 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] music on hold
In-Reply-To: <005401c7eef9$06ccf030$0400a8c0@TravisComp>
References: <46D99BA8.1050904@fmtc.com><98f5b19a0709021607t521f70d6sffdbcce353eb119f@mail.gmail.com><D8B1E7CB-5E25-428D-9210-E4E28D06E293@bfm.org>
	<98f5b19a0709031045u9dc4996s438285249941c819@mail.gmail.com>
	<005401c7eef9$06ccf030$0400a8c0@TravisComp>
Message-ID: <6AB856E8-61E5-4CA4-A371-76A784B81E42@bfm.org>

National Telephone Message Corp.

800-789-4619

Write your own script.  Choose male/female voice, choice of  
background music, etc.  Holiday specials as well.

Couple hundred bucks.

Greg


On Sep 4, 2007, at 8:39 AM, <tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com>  
wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> We currently subscribe to Mike Stevens marketing package that  
> includes a CD with music on hold. We've been mailing the same  
> package for some time and are looking to switch to another package  
> soon. We like the CD but they do not offer the music on hold CD by  
> itself (I've asked several times). Do any of you use another  
> supplier where I might could find other good on-hold advertisements?
>
> Thanks,
> Travis
>
> Travis Strickland
> Studio Designs Printing
> Milledgeville, GA 31061
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners

Greg Weinfurter
Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org




From kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com  Tue Sep  4 11:51:10 2007
From: kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com (Kirk Squiers)
Date: Tue Sep  4 11:51:24 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] music on hold
Message-ID: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111D363@fpserver.FP.local>

www.holdplus.com	

Kirk K. Squiers
Central Michigan Graphics
1200 E. Oakland
Lansing, Michigan 48906
www.centralmichigangraphics.com
517-230-8600
kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com
-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of
tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 9:40 AM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] music on hold

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

We currently subscribe to Mike Stevens marketing package that includes a
CD with music on hold. We've been mailing the same package for some time
and are looking to switch to another package soon. We like the CD but
they do not offer the music on hold CD by itself (I've asked several
times). Do any of you use another supplier where I might could find
other good on-hold advertisements?

Thanks,
Travis

Travis Strickland
Studio Designs Printing
Milledgeville, GA 31061
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From paula at curryprint.com  Tue Sep  4 12:10:00 2007
From: paula at curryprint.com (Paula Smith)
Date: Tue Sep  4 12:13:48 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] music on hold
In-Reply-To: <005401c7eef9$06ccf030$0400a8c0@TravisComp>
References: <46D99BA8.1050904@fmtc.com><98f5b19a0709021607t521f70d6sffdbcce353eb119f@mail.gmail.com><D8B1E7CB-5E25-428D-9210-E4E28D06E293@bfm.org><98f5b19a0709031045u9dc4996s438285249941c819@mail.gmail.com>
	<005401c7eef9$06ccf030$0400a8c0@TravisComp>
Message-ID: <00de01c7ef0e$0ca26b60$9701a8c0@curry.local>

We've been happy with :

Kaptivaad

1-800-959-9541

Ask for Johnny Katof

Paula Smith
Curry Printing & Copy Center
314 North Charles Street
Baltimore, Maryland 21201
410.685.2679
410.685.1018 fax
www.curryprint.com
paula@curryprint.com
"IMPOSSIBLE DEADLINES MET"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-
> bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 9:40 AM
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> Subject: [PrintOwners] music on hold
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> We currently subscribe to Mike Stevens marketing package that includes a
> CD with music on hold. We've been mailing the same package for some time
> and are looking to switch to another package soon. We like the CD but they
> do not offer the music on hold CD by itself (I've asked several times). Do
> any of you use another supplier where I might could find other good on-
> hold advertisements?
> 
> Thanks,
> Travis
> 
> Travis Strickland
> Studio Designs Printing
> Milledgeville, GA 31061
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> 



From slb at inkspot.net  Tue Sep  4 14:52:40 2007
From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman)
Date: Tue Sep  4 14:53:14 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Off - Corporate spelling Bee
In-Reply-To: <00ba01c7ebe2$01df0dc0$059d2940$@com>
Message-ID: <46DD7138.17686.6A743B81@slb.inkspot.net>

It's no big deal, John--just quote Mark Twain at 'em.

I don't see any use in having a uniform and arbitrary way of spelling 
words. We might as well make all clothes alike and cook all dishes 
alike. Sameness is tiresome; variety is pleasing. I have a 
correspondent whose letters are always a refreshment to me, there is 
such a breezy unfettered originality about his orthography. He always 
spells Kow with a large K. Now that is just as good as to spell it 
with a small one. It is better. It gives the imagination a broader 
field, a wider scope. It suggests to the mind a grand, vague, 
impressive new kind of a cow.


...simplified spelling is all right, but, like chastity, you can 
carry it too far.


I have had an aversion to good spelling for sixty years and more, 
merely for the reason that when I was a boy there was not a thing I 
could do creditably except spell according to the book. It was a poor 
and mean distinction and I early learned to disenjoy it. I suppose 
that this is because the ability to spell correctly is a talent, not 
an acquirement. There is some dignity about an acquirement, because 
it is a product of your own labor. It is wages earned, whereas to be 
able to do a thing merely by the grace of God and not by your own 
effort transfers the distinction to our heavenly home--where possibly 
it is a matter of pride and satisfaction but it leaves you naked and 
bankrupt.


I never had any large respect for good spelling. That is my feeling 
yet. Before the spelling-book came with its arbitrary forms, men 
unconsciously revealed shades of their characters and also added 
enlightening shades of expression to what they wrote by their 
spelling, and so it is possible that the spelling-book has been a 
doubtful benevolence to us.


...ours is a mongrel language which started with a child's vocabulary 
of three hundred words, and now consists of two hundred and twenty-
five thousand; the whole lot, with the exception of the original and 
legitimate three hundred, borrowed, stolen, smouched from every 
unwatched language under the sun, the spelling of each individual 
word of the lot locating the source of the theft and preserving the 
memory of the revered crime.


--Steve


> 
> Mitchell Printing is proud to be a sponsor of the 2nd annual Trinity
> Catholic School Corporate spelling Bee.
> 
> I had to send this as I know John Stewart would be proud of me, no I do not
> compete, the kids at the school do <G>
> 
> I am pretty sure if I did compete I can take any of the first graders, not
> sure any of the higher grades... Forget the 5th graders.
> 
> John M. Henry
> Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
> 125-129 East First Street
> Oswego, New York 13126
> (315) 343-3531
> (315) 343-3577 Fax
> www.mpcny.com
> John@mpcny.com
> 
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Fax: 610-647-4560

From bob at quickerprinter.com  Tue Sep  4 14:57:29 2007
From: bob at quickerprinter.com (R Lavarnway)
Date: Tue Sep  4 14:58:19 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] music on hold
References: <46D99BA8.1050904@fmtc.com><98f5b19a0709021607t521f70d6sffdbcce353eb119f@mail.gmail.com><D8B1E7CB-5E25-428D-9210-E4E28D06E293@bfm.org><98f5b19a0709031045u9dc4996s438285249941c819@mail.gmail.com>
	<005401c7eef9$06ccf030$0400a8c0@TravisComp>
Message-ID: <004301c7ef25$72ee5980$6701a8c0@pc3>

If you really like the CD, it's probably worth the price of the entire 
package by itself.  If you're paying for multiple zips, start subscribing to 
just one.

Bob LaVarnway
QP Printing and Mailing
Elmira, NY  14901
607-734-8955

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com>
To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 8:39 AM
Subject: [PrintOwners] music on hold


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

We currently subscribe to Mike Stevens marketing package that includes a CD 
with music on hold. We've been mailing the same package for some time and 
are looking to switch to another package soon. We like the CD but they do 
not offer the music on hold CD by itself (I've asked several times). Do any 
of you use another supplier where I might could find other good on-hold 
advertisements?

Thanks,
Travis

Travis Strickland
Studio Designs Printing
Milledgeville, GA 31061
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From bill at mauiprintworks.com  Tue Sep  4 15:42:24 2007
From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works)
Date: Tue Sep  4 15:42:51 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Shocking Prices
In-Reply-To: <46D99BA8.1050904@fmtc.com>
References: <46D99BA8.1050904@fmtc.com>
Message-ID: <065b52962ee4bf73254e28663fb31708@mauiprintworks.com>

I just did a similar job to that.
When I re-adjust pages and quantity to your specs. I come to $40 per 
book.
I would say the other shop bid way too low, possibly wrong specs. Any 
way to find out if the customer got what they wanted?

Bill Marsh	
Maui Print Works
70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793
(808)242-6634      Fax (808)242-8967
bill@mauiprintworks.com      www. mauiprintworks.com


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Wow! How far behind in lowering prices am I???
>
> Quoted a 150 page (all fronts) 8.5 x 11 booklet, spiral bound, every 
> page color photos, with clear covers, at $45 each. Used 29 cents per 
> copy plus binding.
>
> Customer wanted 100 books.
> Job went to another "copier" company for a total of $20 per book. 
> Allowing $2 for binding, that is 12 cents per color copy!
>
> I guess I don't want to work for that cheep.  Your thoughts?
>
> Joe Dominick
>
> Dominick's Quality Printing
> 542 W. Idaho Avenue
> Ontario Oregon 97914
> 541.881.1121
> Fax 541.881.1599
> www.dominicksprinting.com
> dominick@fmtc.com

From ep101 at technaprint.com  Tue Sep  4 16:05:55 2007
From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson)
Date: Tue Sep  4 16:06:12 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] music on hold
In-Reply-To: <005401c7eef9$06ccf030$0400a8c0@TravisComp>
Message-ID: <C30308B3.29AC5%ep101@technaprint.com>

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> We currently subscribe to Mike Stevens marketing package that includes a CD
> with music on hold. We've been mailing the same package for some time and are
> looking to switch to another package soon. We like the CD but they do not
> offer the music on hold CD by itself (I've asked several times). Do any of you
> use another supplier where I might could find other good on-hold
> advertisements?
> 

Thanks for Holding
Michael Newman
800-758-0035 or
541-344-4636

Michael is located here in Eugene. They do a great job. Very nice staff.

Eric Pearson
President/C.E.O.

------------ 

TechnaPrint, Inc.
909 Garfield Street
Eugene, OR 97402-2706
(541) 344-4062
(541) 344-1765 Fax

ep101@technaprint.com
www.technaprint.com





From sciesemier at pagepath.com  Tue Sep  4 16:52:20 2007
From: sciesemier at pagepath.com (Steve Ciesemier)
Date: Tue Sep  4 16:52:04 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] PagePath, a US President,  Oprah help a charity
In-Reply-To: <B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14DA5@pascal.pagepath.com>
References: <B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14CFF@pascal.pagepath.com>
	<B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14D9A@pascal.pagepath.com>
	<B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14DA0@pascal.pagepath.com>
	<B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14DA2@pascal.pagepath.com>
	<B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14DA3@pascal.pagepath.com>
	<B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14DA5@pascal.pagepath.com>
Message-ID: <B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14DC7@pascal.pagepath.com>

On Friday evening we were informed that a charity PagePath has helped
over the years would be featured on the Oprah show today. 

If you are tired of the same old scandals and violence in the news and
want to hear a very moving story of how one kid (my niece) can do a LOT
of good for others, this is a good one.

You can visit her website (or even make a donation) here:
http://www.KidsCaring4Kids.org

The Oprah show info is here http://tinyurl.com/22zajr

Local listings here: http://tinyurl.com/m783d

The charity, KidsCaring4Kids.org, was started by a grade school girl to
help orphans impacted by AIDS. She herself has been critically ill, and
undergone two transplants in her short life. Now a freshman in high
school, despite ongoing health complications she continues raising money
to help other kids.

On Friday, she got a big shock. A President of the United States arrived
at her school with the secret service. No one knew what all the black
limos where about. It was quite a mystery with lots of speculation. An
impromptu school assembly was held, and the President was introduced to
much surprise and excitement. While speaking about the importance of
public service, he called this girl up on stage and then told her he had
a friend who wanted to meet her: Oprah. He then whisked her away to the
Oprah show with him! More surprises awaited her on the show.

With 30 million viewers, they had concerns about what would happen to
the website we created for her.

The timing was obviously bad for us, a holiday weekend with many people
gone. Regardless, we got the right people together and did one of those
"instant" makeover's you see on TV. PagePath employees like Joe Kern
donated a huge amount of their weekend customizing and updating the
website. We had three days to do it before the show aired (today).

Keep in mind that a typical website hosted by someone like "GoDaddy" and
the like can withstand something like 150 simultaneous visitors (hits)
at a time. Person 151 gets "page not found"! Ugh.

So besides redoing the website, we wanted to make sure we could do a LOT
better at handling traffic than most websites. When faced by a possible
Tsunami of people hitting a web site, extra load balancing hardware and
very beefy servers are required. Needless to say, her website has it.
Her site will handle up to 9,000 simultaneous visitors/second. It can
burn "e-rubber"!

-Steve

P.S. I know everyone has opinions about past Presidents, but whether
Republican or Democrat, when they help raise money for charity they are
doing good.

***********************************************************
Steve Ciesemier
PagePath Technologies, Inc.
13 East Main Street
Plano, IL 60545-1521

Phone & Fax: 630-689-4112 
mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com
http://www.pagepath.com

MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage International &
Best of Breed by Xerox
MyOrderDesk - Snag-Free print ready files, no matter the size. Eliminate
frustration, spend more time winning & keeping customers, improve your
profits.
***********************************************************
From dominick at fmtc.com  Tue Sep  4 17:01:29 2007
From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing)
Date: Tue Sep  4 17:01:50 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Shocking Prices
In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0709021607t521f70d6sffdbcce353eb119f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46D99BA8.1050904@fmtc.com>
	<98f5b19a0709021607t521f70d6sffdbcce353eb119f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46DDC7A9.4040707@fmtc.com>

Very good post Michael,
I appreciate the full break out. I will take a look at the job this way, 
and see how my "shop" prices would have worked.

As for the finished produce - Very Nice! Printer used 60# offsett, good 
quality cover, and spiral bound. The customer burned DVD's at home, and 
added to the booklet, all for a total price of $20 each.

Thanks again, some thinking to do.
Joe Dominick

Dominick's Quality Printing
542 W. Idaho Avenue
Ontario Oregon 97914
541.881.1121
Fax 541.881.1599

www.dominicksprinting.com
dominick@fmtc.com

Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider
Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here!


Michael Vogel wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> On 9/1/07, Dominick's Printing <dominick@fmtc.com> wrote:
>   
>> Wow! How far behind in lowering prices am I???
>>
>> Quoted a 150 page (all fronts) 8.5 x 11 booklet, spiral bound, every
>> page color photos, with clear covers, at $45 each. Used 29 cents per
>> copy plus binding.
>>
>> Customer wanted 100 books.
>>
>> Job went to another "copier" company for a total of $20 per book.
>> Allowing $2 for binding, that is 12 cents per color copy!
>>
>> I guess I don't want to work for that cheep.  Your thoughts?
>>     
>
> Joe,
> I think you have to look at it differently to determine the supposed
> undesirability of doing this job at a price like that.
> 100 books of 150 pages is 15,000 color pages.
> At the typical .06 (or less) click cost today, and assuming run 2-up,
> and assuming using a 60# opaque (which we use for highly competitive
> work unless something else is specifically requested), your cost be be
> .03/page(click) + .009/page(paper) x 15,000 = $585. 15,000 @ 0.12 =
> $1,800 for a 67.5% margin.
> 7,500 11x17 clicks / an average of 22/minute = 5.68 hours of run time.
> $1800-$585 = $1215 / 5.68  = $214/hour of margin.
>
> Unless your color printer work load is typically at capacity, why not?
>
>
>   
From brianoday at eprint.us  Tue Sep  4 17:02:16 2007
From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day)
Date: Tue Sep  4 17:02:45 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] PagePath, a US President,  Oprah help a charity
In-Reply-To: <B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14DC7@pascal.pagepath.com>
References: <B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14CFF@pascal.pagepath.com><B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14D9A@pascal.pagepath.com><B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14DA0@pascal.pagepath.com><B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14DA2@pascal.pagepath.com><B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14DA3@pascal.pagepath.com><B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14DA5@pascal.pagepath.com>
	<B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14DC7@pascal.pagepath.com>
Message-ID: <008c01c7ef36$e051acf0$6c01a8c0@Brian>

SO let me guess which president "W" 

Brian O'Day
ePrint
Portland, Oregon
brianoday@eprint.us
503-684-2679

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Ciesemier
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 1:52 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] PagePath, a US President, Oprah help a charity

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

On Friday evening we were informed that a charity PagePath has helped
over the years would be featured on the Oprah show today. 

If you are tired of the same old scandals and violence in the news and
want to hear a very moving story of how one kid (my niece) can do a LOT
of good for others, this is a good one.

You can visit her website (or even make a donation) here:
http://www.KidsCaring4Kids.org

The Oprah show info is here http://tinyurl.com/22zajr

Local listings here: http://tinyurl.com/m783d

The charity, KidsCaring4Kids.org, was started by a grade school girl to
help orphans impacted by AIDS. She herself has been critically ill, and
undergone two transplants in her short life. Now a freshman in high
school, despite ongoing health complications she continues raising money
to help other kids.

On Friday, she got a big shock. A President of the United States arrived
at her school with the secret service. No one knew what all the black
limos where about. It was quite a mystery with lots of speculation. An
impromptu school assembly was held, and the President was introduced to
much surprise and excitement. While speaking about the importance of
public service, he called this girl up on stage and then told her he had
a friend who wanted to meet her: Oprah. He then whisked her away to the
Oprah show with him! More surprises awaited her on the show.

With 30 million viewers, they had concerns about what would happen to
the website we created for her.

The timing was obviously bad for us, a holiday weekend with many people
gone. Regardless, we got the right people together and did one of those
"instant" makeover's you see on TV. PagePath employees like Joe Kern
donated a huge amount of their weekend customizing and updating the
website. We had three days to do it before the show aired (today).

Keep in mind that a typical website hosted by someone like "GoDaddy" and
the like can withstand something like 150 simultaneous visitors (hits)
at a time. Person 151 gets "page not found"! Ugh.

So besides redoing the website, we wanted to make sure we could do a LOT
better at handling traffic than most websites. When faced by a possible
Tsunami of people hitting a web site, extra load balancing hardware and
very beefy servers are required. Needless to say, her website has it.
Her site will handle up to 9,000 simultaneous visitors/second. It can
burn "e-rubber"!

-Steve

P.S. I know everyone has opinions about past Presidents, but whether
Republican or Democrat, when they help raise money for charity they are
doing good.

***********************************************************
Steve Ciesemier
PagePath Technologies, Inc.
13 East Main Street
Plano, IL 60545-1521

Phone & Fax: 630-689-4112 
mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com
http://www.pagepath.com

MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage International &
Best of Breed by Xerox
MyOrderDesk - Snag-Free print ready files, no matter the size. Eliminate
frustration, spend more time winning & keeping customers, improve your
profits.
***********************************************************
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From acepm2 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 17:22:04 2007
From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas)
Date: Tue Sep  4 17:22:21 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] PagePath, a US President, Oprah help a charity
In-Reply-To: <008c01c7ef36$e051acf0$6c01a8c0@Brian>
References: <B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14CFF@pascal.pagepath.com>
	<B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14D9A@pascal.pagepath.com>
	<B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14DA0@pascal.pagepath.com>
	<B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14DA2@pascal.pagepath.com>
	<B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14DA3@pascal.pagepath.com>
	<B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14DA5@pascal.pagepath.com>
	<B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14DC7@pascal.pagepath.com>
	<008c01c7ef36$e051acf0$6c01a8c0@Brian>
Message-ID: <c2778de30709041422l4dae0adekfbb2c83a123d195d@mail.gmail.com>

Actually Brian, it is one of "yours" that was there! HA!

Great job Steve!!!!

Glad to see you guys could pull this off so quickly.

Give us an idea of the number of hits within the past week or month, as
compared to during and after the show today. I would just like to see how
many folks visited.

If it is not asking too much, give us an idea on how the fundraising went as
well.

Keep up that great work!!!

Thom Gulyas
ACE Printing & Mailing
Berlin, Maryland 21811





On 9/4/07, Brian O'Day <brianoday@eprint.us> wrote:
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> SO let me guess which president "W"
>
> Brian O'Day
> ePrint
> Portland, Oregon
> brianoday@eprint.us
> 503-684-2679
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Ciesemier
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 1:52 PM
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> Subject: [PrintOwners] PagePath, a US President, Oprah help a charity
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> On Friday evening we were informed that a charity PagePath has helped
> over the years would be featured on the Oprah show today.
>
> If you are tired of the same old scandals and violence in the news and
> want to hear a very moving story of how one kid (my niece) can do a LOT
> of good for others, this is a good one.
>
> You can visit her website (or even make a donation) here:
> http://www.KidsCaring4Kids.org
>
> The Oprah show info is here http://tinyurl.com/22zajr
>
> Local listings here: http://tinyurl.com/m783d
>
> The charity, KidsCaring4Kids.org, was started by a grade school girl to
> help orphans impacted by AIDS. She herself has been critically ill, and
> undergone two transplants in her short life. Now a freshman in high
> school, despite ongoing health complications she continues raising money
> to help other kids.
>
> On Friday, she got a big shock. A President of the United States arrived
> at her school with the secret service. No one knew what all the black
> limos where about. It was quite a mystery with lots of speculation. An
> impromptu school assembly was held, and the President was introduced to
> much surprise and excitement. While speaking about the importance of
> public service, he called this girl up on stage and then told her he had
> a friend who wanted to meet her: Oprah. He then whisked her away to the
> Oprah show with him! More surprises awaited her on the show.
>
> With 30 million viewers, they had concerns about what would happen to
> the website we created for her.
>
> The timing was obviously bad for us, a holiday weekend with many people
> gone. Regardless, we got the right people together and did one of those
> "instant" makeover's you see on TV. PagePath employees like Joe Kern
> donated a huge amount of their weekend customizing and updating the
> website. We had three days to do it before the show aired (today).
>
> Keep in mind that a typical website hosted by someone like "GoDaddy" and
> the like can withstand something like 150 simultaneous visitors (hits)
> at a time. Person 151 gets "page not found"! Ugh.
>
> So besides redoing the website, we wanted to make sure we could do a LOT
> better at handling traffic than most websites. When faced by a possible
> Tsunami of people hitting a web site, extra load balancing hardware and
> very beefy servers are required. Needless to say, her website has it.
> Her site will handle up to 9,000 simultaneous visitors/second. It can
> burn "e-rubber"!
>
> -Steve
>
> P.S. I know everyone has opinions about past Presidents, but whether
> Republican or Democrat, when they help raise money for charity they are
> doing good.
>
> ***********************************************************
> Steve Ciesemier
> PagePath Technologies, Inc.
> 13 East Main Street
> Plano, IL 60545-1521
>
> Phone & Fax: 630-689-4112
> mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com
> http://www.pagepath.com
>
> MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage International &
> Best of Breed by Xerox
> MyOrderDesk - Snag-Free print ready files, no matter the size. Eliminate
> frustration, spend more time winning & keeping customers, improve your
> profits.
> ***********************************************************
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


-- 
Thom Gulyas
ACE Printing & Mailing
Berlin, Maryland 21811
www.acepm.com
From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Tue Sep  4 17:25:03 2007
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Tue Sep  4 17:24:13 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Shocking Prices
In-Reply-To: <46DDC7A9.4040707@fmtc.com>
References: <46D99BA8.1050904@fmtc.com>
	<98f5b19a0709021607t521f70d6sffdbcce353eb119f@mail.gmail.com>
	<46DDC7A9.4040707@fmtc.com>
Message-ID: <F0DF365A-B65C-411D-805A-E12970B87816@falconprintandcopy.com>

I've tortured myself with this kind of stuff too.  A larger shop with  
more capacity can take on that kind of job without feeling a lull in  
production elsewhere.  I can't afford to divert my attention for that  
small a margin.  I don't go under $0.29 unless its a personal favor,  
in which case I'll usually do it for free.   Our prices are very  
competitive, but they have to be fair to us and our customers.  If  
you focus on customers who are willing to spend money for a better  
product and better service, you'll find yourself working less AND  
making more money.

Regards,

Borzou


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t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134


On Sep 4, 2007, at 5:01 PM, Dominick's Printing wrote:

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Very good post Michael,
I appreciate the full break out. I will take a look at the job this  
way, and see how my "shop" prices would have worked.

As for the finished produce - Very Nice! Printer used 60# offsett,  
good quality cover, and spiral bound. The customer burned DVD's at  
home, and added to the booklet, all for a total price of $20 each.

Thanks again, some thinking to do.
Joe Dominick

Dominick's Quality Printing
542 W. Idaho Avenue
Ontario Oregon 97914
541.881.1121
Fax 541.881.1599

www.dominicksprinting.com
dominick@fmtc.com

Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider
Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here!


Michael Vogel wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> On 9/1/07, Dominick's Printing <dominick@fmtc.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow! How far behind in lowering prices am I???
>>
>> Quoted a 150 page (all fronts) 8.5 x 11 booklet, spiral bound, every
>> page color photos, with clear covers, at $45 each. Used 29 cents per
>> copy plus binding.
>>
>> Customer wanted 100 books.
>>
>> Job went to another "copier" company for a total of $20 per book.
>> Allowing $2 for binding, that is 12 cents per color copy!
>>
>> I guess I don't want to work for that cheep.  Your thoughts?
>>
>
> Joe,
> I think you have to look at it differently to determine the supposed
> undesirability of doing this job at a price like that.
> 100 books of 150 pages is 15,000 color pages.
> At the typical .06 (or less) click cost today, and assuming run 2-up,
> and assuming using a 60# opaque (which we use for highly competitive
> work unless something else is specifically requested), your cost be be
> .03/page(click) + .009/page(paper) x 15,000 = $585. 15,000 @ 0.12 =
> $1,800 for a 67.5% margin.
> 7,500 11x17 clicks / an average of 22/minute = 5.68 hours of run time.
> $1800-$585 = $1215 / 5.68  = $214/hour of margin.
>
> Unless your color printer work load is typically at capacity, why not?
>
>
>
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From bradw at auburnprint.com  Sat Sep  1 02:45:03 2007
From: bradw at auburnprint.com (Brad Weston)
Date: Tue Sep  4 17:27:50 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] QM 46 Revisited
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20070831232537.04c8b788@192.168.1.1>

We are going to Graph Expo next week and one of my task is to negotiate 
with Heidelberg an Quickmaster 46-2 color press. We have a 5-color Komori 
for most of our 4 color work. We have no digital.
My production manager and my estimator have some concerns, they come from 
the "T-51" and direct feed "AB Dick 360" generation.
Please help with the questions below.

Will it print pleasing 4 color?
Do you print 1 color at a time with process work?
How is the registration on a 11 x 17?
With 1/2 point trap do we get ink contamination with common blanket?
Does the direct feed give you any problems?


Thanks
Brad Weston
Auburn Printers
13020 Earhart Ave
Auburn CA 95602
"Endurance Capitol of the World"
<bradw@auburnprint.com>
530-885-9674 Phone
530-885-6517 Fax
<<http://www.auburnprint.com/>http://www.auburnprint.com/>  
From sciesemier at pagepath.com  Tue Sep  4 17:40:13 2007
From: sciesemier at pagepath.com (Steve Ciesemier)
Date: Tue Sep  4 17:40:04 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] PagePath, a US President, Oprah help a charity
In-Reply-To: <c2778de30709041422l4dae0adekfbb2c83a123d195d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14CFF@pascal.pagepath.com><B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14D9A@pascal.pagepath.com><B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14DA0@pascal.pagepath.com><B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14DA2@pascal.pagepath.com><B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14DA3@pascal.pagepath.com><B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14DA5@pascal.pagepath.com><B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14DC7@pascal.pagepath.com><008c01c7ef36$e051acf0$6c01a8c0@Brian>
	<c2778de30709041422l4dae0adekfbb2c83a123d195d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B69C9A3AC33ADF4DB3C6E81D23CE7EF4E14DD8@pascal.pagepath.com>

> If it is not asking too much, give us an idea on how the fundraising
went

Well, she got a $500,000 donation from an anonymous donor while on the
show. That's pretty amazing. She's now half way to her new goal of $1
million! 

She's been to sick to enjoy the spotlight, though you would never know
it by looking at her. She hides it well.

-Steve

***********************************************************
Steve Ciesemier
PagePath Technologies, Inc.
13 East Main Street
Plano, IL 60545-1521

Phone & Fax: 630-689-4112 
mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com
http://www.pagepath.com

MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage International &
Best of Breed by Xerox
***********************************************************

From greg at ajprinting.com  Tue Sep  4 17:40:31 2007
From: greg at ajprinting.com (Greg Johnston)
Date: Tue Sep  4 17:41:41 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] QM 46 Revisited
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20070831232537.04c8b788@192.168.1.1>
References: <6.0.0.22.2.20070831232537.04c8b788@192.168.1.1>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070904143306.03558390@ajprinting.com>

See answers below after your questions.  We love our 2006 46-2. It's 
an amazing piece of equipment. A real workhorse.


At 11:45 PM 8/31/2007, Brad Weston wrote:
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>We are going to Graph Expo next week and one of my task is to 
>negotiate with Heidelberg an Quickmaster 46-2 color press. We have a 
>5-color Komori for most of our 4 color work. We have no digital.
>My production manager and my estimator have some concerns, they come 
>from the "T-51" and direct feed "AB Dick 360" generation.
>Please help with the questions below.
>
>Will it print pleasing 4 color? Yes we do it all the time with 
>amazing results
>Do you print 1 color at a time with process work? No 2
>How is the registration on a 11 x 17? Excellent
>With 1/2 point trap do we get ink contamination with common blanket? 
>Trapping doesn't play a part when you're talking about 
>contamination. The length of the run and if you have haevy solids 
>will play a big part. If you have long runs 5K and up you'll get ink 
>migration probably.
>Does the direct feed give you any problems? not for us. Registration 
>is good and we also print process on converted envelopes with great sucess.


Hope this helps



>Thanks
>Brad Weston
>Auburn Printers
>13020 Earhart Ave
>Auburn CA 95602
>"Endurance Capitol of the World"
><bradw@auburnprint.com>
>530-885-9674 Phone
>530-885-6517 Fax
><<http://www.auburnprint.com/>http://www.auburnprint.com/>
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>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners

Greg Johnston

AJ Printing & Graphics
1350 Central Ave #1
Santa Rosa CA 95401
707.525.8600  Fax 707.525.8923
www.ajprinting.com  e-mail: greg@ajprinting.com

Ask me about how I can help you build your business
with our direct mailing services for your marketing needs


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From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 17:55:16 2007
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Tue Sep  4 17:55:33 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Shocking Prices
In-Reply-To: <F0DF365A-B65C-411D-805A-E12970B87816@falconprintandcopy.com>
References: <46D99BA8.1050904@fmtc.com>
	<98f5b19a0709021607t521f70d6sffdbcce353eb119f@mail.gmail.com>
	<46DDC7A9.4040707@fmtc.com>
	<F0DF365A-B65C-411D-805A-E12970B87816@falconprintandcopy.com>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0709041455s4b57d62cxed574956529cf8b1@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/4/07, Borzou Azabdaftari <borzou@falconprintandcopy.com> wrote:
>
> I've tortured myself with this kind of stuff too.  A larger shop with
> more capacity can take on that kind of job without feeling a lull in
> production elsewhere.  I can't afford to divert my attention for that
> small a margin.  I don't go under $0.29 unless its a personal favor,
> in which case I'll usually do it for free.   Our prices are very
> competitive, but they have to be fair to us and our customers.  If
> you focus on customers who are willing to spend money for a better
> product and better service, you'll find yourself working less AND
> making more money.

You don't sign your posts, Borzou, so we cannot know where you are and
in what kind of market. But, while 29 cents is often a good price, in
many markets, it would not be a competitive price for high volumes of
clicks. And if you'll take note of my numbers, you can still make
plenty of money at prices below your current minimum. Obviously, if
you can sell all your capacity at higher prices, there is no need to
lower them. But if you've often got a bunch of excess machine time...

By all means, focus on customers who will pay for added value; just be
open to giving up some margin to be able to sell a greater percentage
of your capacity. You *can* burn this particular candle at both ends.

And please add your signature (company name and location) to your
posts, so we all know who we're talking to and where you are.


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com

====================================
Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
                                                     ~ Lord Bacon
From ssheers at sheergraphics.com  Tue Sep  4 18:34:09 2007
From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers)
Date: Tue Sep  4 18:29:11 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] QM 46 Revisited
In-Reply-To: <20070904214141.1A305B35A83@rb.enter.net>
References: <20070904214141.1A305B35A83@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <e481a0805dbc9067f4f8eb66223a2bcd@sheergraphics.com>

> We are going to Graph Expo next week and one of my task is to 
> negotiate with Heidelberg an Quickmaster 46-2 color press. We have a 
> 5-color Komori for most of our 4 color work. We have no digital.
> My production manager and my estimator have some concerns, they come 
> from the "T-51" and direct feed "AB Dick 360" generation.
> Please help with the questions below.
>
> Will it print pleasing 4 color?
A: Yes, but if you have a 5 color Komori why try on a machine not 
designed for 4 color process?

> Do you print 1 color at a time with process work?
A: Often, no. Sometimes, yes. Depends on the run length or the tonal 
flavor of the picture. We print a lot of flesh and fabric tones.

> How is the registration on a 11 x 17?
A: Some minor tail whip, depending on the stock and operator skill. 
With trapping of spot colors, it's not an issue, but 4 color process 
dots should be accurately placed.

> With 1/2 point trap do we get ink contamination with common blanket?
A: Yes. Reduced by changing the ink tack. But sometimes we run the 
paper through twice or stop and clean the blanket periodically.

> Does the direct feed give you any problems?
A: Not me! For I've never run a press. The operator has problems with 
very smooth coated text weight papers, typically from the orient, that 
do not want to separate despite many cubic feet per minute of blasted 
air, Bounce sheets, humidity, powdered edges and coarse language. It's 
like trying to pry apart two sheets of float glass, they're just stuck 
together with a vacuum between the sheets and ambient air pressure. The 
QM46 does not have the feed board of your Komori that separates and 
stream feeds any paper.

Please reply to Simon Sheers at:
<ssheers@sheergraphics.com>

Sheer Graphics Inc.
47 Chestnut Avenue,
Westmont, IL 60559-1127
Tel: (630) 654-4422
<http://www.sheergraphics.com>
Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more
From bill at mauiprintworks.com  Tue Sep  4 21:12:00 2007
From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works)
Date: Tue Sep  4 21:12:27 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] QM 46 Revisited
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20070831232537.04c8b788@192.168.1.1>
References: <6.0.0.22.2.20070831232537.04c8b788@192.168.1.1>
Message-ID: <902c5ab81b8e00c9409b28021eb9bef0@mauiprintworks.com>

The QM 46-2  is fantastic at 2 color work. Any ABDick pressman will 
fall in love with it. A 4-color pressman will rather do it on a 4-color 
machine.  We tried 4 color on ours and gave up. Ink contamination 
within 1000 run.  Pretty extensive clean up to get the pure Yellow. 17" 
had more tail wag than was acceptable to us.   Greg Johnson must have 
some tips that would would be helpful to make that work.

Bill Marsh	
Maui Print Works
70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793
(808)242-6634      Fax (808)242-8967
bill@mauiprintworks.com      www. mauiprintworks.com

> We are going to Graph Expo next week and one of my task is to 
> negotiate with Heidelberg an Quickmaster 46-2 color press. We have a 
> 5-color Komori for most of our 4 color work. We have no digital.
> My production manager and my estimator have some concerns, they come 
> from the "T-51" and direct feed "AB Dick 360" generation.
> Please help with the questions below.
>
> Will it print pleasing 4 color?
> Do you print 1 color at a time with process work?
> How is the registration on a 11 x 17?
> With 1/2 point trap do we get ink contamination with common blanket?
> Does the direct feed give you any problems?
>
>
> Thanks
> Brad Weston
> Auburn Printers
> 13020 Earhart Ave
> Auburn CA 95602
> "Endurance Capitol of the World"
> <bradw@auburnprint.com>
> 530-885-9674 Phone
> 530-885-6517 Fax
> <<http://www.auburnprint.com/>http://www.auburnprint.com/>  
> _______________________________________________
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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From scott at usacolor.com  Wed Sep  5 10:57:09 2007
From: scott at usacolor.com (Scott Balsiger)
Date: Wed Sep  5 10:57:32 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Riso sc7700 help
In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0709031045u9dc4996s438285249941c819@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46D99BA8.1050904@fmtc.com>	<98f5b19a0709021607t521f70d6sffdbcce353eb119f@mail.gmail.com>	<D8B1E7CB-5E25-428D-9210-E4E28D06E293@bfm.org>
	<98f5b19a0709031045u9dc4996s438285249941c819@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46DEC3C5.3020103@usacolor.com>

Riso sc7700 continues to "beep" when we plug it in....any ideas on how 
to set up this rip?
TIA!

Scott Balsiger President
USA Color Printing Inc.
www.usacolor.com
791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN. 56601
218-759-9126
800-759-9126
218-556-5505(Cell)
218-759-2883(fax)



>  
>
From pressexpress at bfm.org  Wed Sep  5 11:34:49 2007
From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Wed Sep  5 11:38:23 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
Message-ID: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>

Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?

By what percent?


Greg Weinfurter
Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org




From peter at keystonepress.com  Wed Sep  5 12:42:12 2007
From: peter at keystonepress.com (Peter Church)
Date: Wed Sep  5 12:48:26 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
In-Reply-To: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
Message-ID: <008401c7efdb$b719b4e0$7d01a8c0@key.local>

Sales are down 11%, net income is down 25%.

 


Peter Church
Keystone Press, LLC
9 Old Falls Road
Manchester, NH 03103
phone: 603-622-5222
fax: 603-622-9432

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:35 AM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?

By what percent?


Greg Weinfurter
Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org




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From rstor at copycats.com  Wed Sep  5 12:51:38 2007
From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor)
Date: Wed Sep  5 12:53:37 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
In-Reply-To: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
References: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
Message-ID: <46DEDE9A.1090008@copycats.com>

+15%

Bob Stor
Copycats
New York, NY
212-557-2111 x20
www.copycats.com

Greg Weinfurter wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
>
> By what percent?
>
>
> Greg Weinfurter
> Press Express
> 1869 N. Stevens St.
> Rhinelander, WI 54501
> Phone 715-362-2828
> Fax 715-369-2828
> info@pressexpress.org
>
>
>
>
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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>
>
From imageproprint at qwest.net  Wed Sep  5 12:57:31 2007
From: imageproprint at qwest.net (ImagePro)
Date: Wed Sep  5 12:56:08 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
In-Reply-To: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
Message-ID: <000001c7efdd$d9aad190$6b00000a@domain1.local>

+20%

Mark Rowley
ImagePro Printing & Copying, Inc.
95 West Harding Ave.
Cedar City, UT 84720
435-586-1105
435-586-0499 fax
mark@imageproprint.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-
> bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:35 AM
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
> 
> By what percent?
> 
> 
> Greg Weinfurter
> Press Express
> 1869 N. Stevens St.
> Rhinelander, WI 54501
> Phone 715-362-2828
> Fax 715-369-2828
> info@pressexpress.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From greg at ajprinting.com  Wed Sep  5 13:07:45 2007
From: greg at ajprinting.com (Greg Johnston)
Date: Wed Sep  5 13:08:04 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or
  down?
In-Reply-To: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
References: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070905093518.034a8e78@ajprinting.com>

Sales are up by 10% over last year. It's kind of relative based on 
previous years sales. If your sales are $3 million and are up 10 
that's nice. If sales are $400K then up 10% isn't as big of a deal 
but it helps.




At 08:34 AM 9/5/2007, you wrote:
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
>
>By what percent?
>
>
>Greg Weinfurter
>Press Express
>1869 N. Stevens St.
>Rhinelander, WI 54501
>Phone 715-362-2828
>Fax 715-369-2828
>info@pressexpress.org
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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Greg Johnston

AJ Printing & Graphics
1350 Central Ave #1
Santa Rosa CA 95401
707.525.8600  Fax 707.525.8923
www.ajprinting.com   e-mail: greg@ajprinting.com

Ask me about how I can help you build your business
with our direct mailing services for your marketing needs


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From mail at myprinter.biz  Wed Sep  5 13:10:50 2007
From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz)
Date: Wed Sep  5 13:11:06 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
In-Reply-To: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
Message-ID: <BEEIIPIOGLPLKIAABOLACEDECMAA.mail@myprinter.biz>

+22%

Dan
Sir Speedy Printing Center
5845 Hollywood Boulevard
Hollywood, FL 33021
t 954.962.1309
f 954.962.1366
dan@myprinter.biz
www.myprinter.biz



-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:35 AM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?

By what percent?


Greg Weinfurter
Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org




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From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net  Wed Sep  5 13:32:37 2007
From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis)
Date: Wed Sep  5 13:32:58 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
In-Reply-To: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
References: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
Message-ID: <C910AEA2-575B-46A4-AB6E-CF3CB1A9B4B5@bellsouth.net>

Up 3.5% compared with Jan thru August of 06.

Ben Travis

Copy Express
4004-A South Blvd.
Charlotte, NC 20209
cpyxpres@bellsouth.net
704-527-1750


On Sep 5, 2007, at 11:34 AM, Greg Weinfurter wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
>
> By what percent?
>
>
> Greg Weinfurter
> Press Express
> 1869 N. Stevens St.
> Rhinelander, WI 54501
> Phone 715-362-2828
> Fax 715-369-2828
> info@pressexpress.org
>
>
>
>
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Wed Sep  5 13:44:50 2007
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Wed Sep  5 13:44:06 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070905093518.034a8e78@ajprinting.com>
References: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
	<7.0.1.0.2.20070905093518.034a8e78@ajprinting.com>
Message-ID: <3BD1BD54-374C-49C6-9D79-4122B2469354@falconprintandcopy.com>

We're up 18%, but fall much closer to the "not as big a deal" section.

Regards,

Borzou


-------------- next part --------------

www.falconprintandcopy.com
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134


On Sep 5, 2007, at 1:07 PM, Greg Johnston wrote:

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Sales are up by 10% over last year. It's kind of relative based on  
previous years sales. If your sales are $3 million and are up 10  
that's nice. If sales are $400K then up 10% isn't as big of a deal  
but it helps.




At 08:34 AM 9/5/2007, you wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
>
> By what percent?
>
>
> Greg Weinfurter
> Press Express
> 1869 N. Stevens St.
> Rhinelander, WI 54501
> Phone 715-362-2828
> Fax 715-369-2828
> info@pressexpress.org
>
>
>
>
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AJ Printing & Graphics
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Santa Rosa CA 95401
707.525.8600  Fax 707.525.8923
www.ajprinting.com   e-mail: greg@ajprinting.com

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From info at aeroprinting.com  Wed Sep  5 13:44:53 2007
From: info at aeroprinting.com (Carl Core)
Date: Wed Sep  5 13:45:52 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
References: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
Message-ID: <020d01c7efe4$775f3a60$6401a8c0@aero>

+18%

Carl Core, Jr.
Aero Printing, Inc.
710 Elida Ave
Delphos, OH 45833
Ph. 419-695-2931
Fax 419-695-9930
info@aeroprinting.com
www.aeroprinting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Weinfurter" <pressexpress@bfm.org>
To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:34 AM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
>
> By what percent?
>
>
> Greg Weinfurter
> Press Express
> 1869 N. Stevens St.
> Rhinelander, WI 54501
> Phone 715-362-2828
> Fax 715-369-2828
> info@pressexpress.org
>
>
>
>
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From jeff at hprinting.biz  Wed Sep  5 13:53:13 2007
From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines)
Date: Wed Sep  5 13:53:31 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or
  down?
In-Reply-To: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
References: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
Message-ID: <20070905175308.5756.8762@hm-pop1.solinus.com>

At 11:34 AM 9/5/2007, you wrote:
>Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
>
>By what percent?


Up 11% which is a nice break after being up 67% 
last year. We've lost 2 major accounts this year 
(totaled 15%), but have added a number of nice accounts since we are still up.

Jeff

Haines Printing Co.
10575 W. Main Rd.
North East, PA 16428
(814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244
email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz  
From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com  Wed Sep  5 13:55:42 2007
From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt)
Date: Wed Sep  5 13:56:02 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
In-Reply-To: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
Message-ID: <C30457CE.1B184%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>

On 9/5/07 10:34 AM, "Greg Weinfurter" <pressexpress@bfm.org> wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
> 
> By what percent?

We are almost dead even with last year. Hopefully the last quarter will
improve.

-- 
Cyndy Wendt
President
Pioneer Printing, Inc.
3133 S. 7th., Suite D
Lincoln, Nebraska 68502
cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com

402.483.7575



From bradw at auburnprint.com  Wed Sep  5 13:59:23 2007
From: bradw at auburnprint.com (Brad Weston)
Date: Wed Sep  5 13:59:54 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or
  down?
In-Reply-To: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
References: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20070905105819.0263ac58@192.168.1.1>

Up 15% on $2MM in Sales


Thanks
Brad Weston
Auburn Printers
13020 Earhart Ave
Auburn CA 95602
"Endurance Capitol of the World"
<bradw@auburnprint.com>
530-885-9674 Phone
530-885-6517 Fax
<<http://www.auburnprint.com/>http://www.auburnprint.com/>

At 08:34 AM 9/5/2007, you wrote:
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
>
>By what percent?
>
>
>Greg Weinfurter
>Press Express
>1869 N. Stevens St.
>Rhinelander, WI 54501
>Phone 715-362-2828
>Fax 715-369-2828
>info@pressexpress.org
>
>
>
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From stalprint at charter.net  Wed Sep  5 14:00:50 2007
From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings)
Date: Wed Sep  5 14:01:08 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
In-Reply-To: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
References: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
Message-ID: <46DEEED2.30908@charter.net>

Down 11%
Yearly in the $ 400,000 range
Too many customers doing in on their own **^&%$%^ computers now


Greg Weinfurter wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
>
> By what percent?
>
>
> Greg Weinfurter
> Press Express
> 1869 N. Stevens St.
> Rhinelander, WI 54501
> Phone 715-362-2828
> Fax 715-369-2828
> info@pressexpress.org
>
>
>
>
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>

-- 
Mark Stallings
Stallings Printing
828-758-1126
stalprint@charter.net
Lenoir, NC 28645

From sos at olympus.net  Wed Sep  5 14:02:57 2007
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Wed Sep  5 14:03:24 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
References: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
Message-ID: <035701c7efe6$fd8f6c20$0300a8c0@DANIEL>

We're up 4.5% so far this year.  It's been a weird year, we just had an all 
time record month with 40% profit, which brings us up to
just about even for the year so far (but there are a couple odd things in 
there).
Sales seem to be getting even more wildly variable than ever.

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860



From keli at parchmentpress.net  Wed Sep  5 14:06:12 2007
From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie)
Date: Wed Sep  5 14:06:17 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Help needed
Message-ID: <46DEF014.4030005@parchmentpress.net>

Hello all..

We have a Sulby Auto-Minabinda Mk11 - Does anyone have any ideas where
we can get training cds/manuals?
We want to fully understand the machine and know how to care for it!

thanks,
Michael Markuson (aka Keli)
Parchment Press
52 S River St
Coxsackie, NY 12051

From hal at pickimp.com  Wed Sep  5 14:22:29 2007
From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt)
Date: Wed Sep  5 14:21:57 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Help needed
References: <46DEF014.4030005@parchmentpress.net>
Message-ID: <002901c7efe9$bbf0fe20$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net>

How about you buy it from the Manufacturer?

Hal Wendt
IMP Printing & Graphics Design
Southgate, Michigan USA


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keli of Coxsackie" <keli@parchmentpress.net>
To: <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:06 PM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Help needed


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> Hello all..
> 
> We have a Sulby Auto-Minabinda Mk11 - Does anyone have any ideas where
> we can get training cds/manuals?
> We want to fully understand the machine and know how to care for it!
> 
> thanks,
> Michael Markuson (aka Keli)
> Parchment Press
> 52 S River St
> Coxsackie, NY 12051
> 
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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From clc at crownmax.com  Wed Sep  5 14:23:52 2007
From: clc at crownmax.com (clc)
Date: Wed Sep  5 14:24:22 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
References: <008401c7efdb$b719b4e0$7d01a8c0@key.local>
Message-ID: <002c01c7efe9$e9bb1980$7201a8c0@Crown.local>

Sales are down 2%, Net income up 15%

Net has been our concentration for the past 18 months and eliminating 
problem customers. Seems to be working.


Charlie Counts

CROWNMAX, Inc.
2301 Roxalana Road
P O Box 234
Dunbar, WV 25064-0234
1-800-252-4011 -- Fax 304-744-8652

clc@crownmax.com
www.crownmax.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Church" <peter@keystonepress.com>
To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 12:42 PM
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Sales are down 11%, net income is down 25%.
>
>
>
>
> Peter Church
> Keystone Press, LLC
> 9 Old Falls Road
> Manchester, NH 03103
> phone: 603-622-5222
> fax: 603-622-9432
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:35 AM
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
>
> By what percent?
>
>
> Greg Weinfurter
> Press Express
> 1869 N. Stevens St.
> Rhinelander, WI 54501
> Phone 715-362-2828
> Fax 715-369-2828
> info@pressexpress.org
>
>
>
>
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From pressexpress at bfm.org  Wed Sep  5 14:28:52 2007
From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Wed Sep  5 14:30:06 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
In-Reply-To: <46DEEED2.30908@charter.net>
References: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
	<46DEEED2.30908@charter.net>
Message-ID: <D4669BF0-68FD-4916-AC83-9CB1FD878E57@bfm.org>

Mark,

I too am a small shop your size.

I too am down.

Greg

On Sep 5, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Mark Stallings wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Down 11%
> Yearly in the $ 400,000 range
> Too many customers doing in on their own **^&%$%^ computers now
>
>
> Greg Weinfurter wrote:
>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
>>
>> By what percent?
>>
>>
>> Greg Weinfurter
>> Press Express
>> 1869 N. Stevens St.
>> Rhinelander, WI 54501
>> Phone 715-362-2828
>> Fax 715-369-2828
>> info@pressexpress.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> PrintOwners Discussion List
>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> Mark Stallings
> Stallings Printing
> 828-758-1126
> stalprint@charter.net
> Lenoir, NC 28645
>
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Greg Weinfurter
Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org




From eric at digi-print.com  Wed Sep  5 14:30:50 2007
From: eric at digi-print.com (Eric Weber)
Date: Wed Sep  5 14:31:05 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Anyone need a room at the Intercontinental?
In-Reply-To: <020d01c7efe4$775f3a60$6401a8c0@aero>
References: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
	<020d01c7efe4$775f3a60$6401a8c0@aero>
Message-ID: <p06240503c304a61415ba@[192.168.0.80]>


I have a room for Thursday through Sunday night (Monday check-out) if 
anyone needs one ...

Gimme a call ...

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PrintDigital Inc.
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330-686-5945   Fax 330-686-5329
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From melissa at mykwikkopy.com  Wed Sep  5 14:38:58 2007
From: melissa at mykwikkopy.com (Melissa Uber)
Date: Wed Sep  5 14:39:18 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] custom boxes
In-Reply-To: <C30457CE.1B184%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
Message-ID: <000001c7efec$062755f0$3e00000a@Melissa>

We've been using S. Walter Pkg for our stationery boxes with our franchise
logo on them. We are looking for alternate sources of custom box vendors.
Does anyone have a source?

Thanks!
Melissa

Kwik Kopy Printing
20 West Third St
Jamestown, NY 14701


From monty.usa at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 14:57:38 2007
From: monty.usa at gmail.com (Monty)
Date: Wed Sep  5 14:57:51 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
Message-ID: <54ffb7170709051157v3cd7f910r9fc87249cbcc6792@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Printowners:

We are being sued by the holder of a business process patent on
"Books-on-Demand" or "Printing on Demand".

A little background so you don't think I am a crackpot. I used to
participate on printowners under my quickprinting company name
Digitz.netAnd I learnt a heck of a lot from you veterans.

I had co-founded an online publishing company called BookSurge that was sold
to Amazon.com. Now, the holder of the faulty patent is defaming and damaging
us saying that we have stolen his "Book-on-demand" and "printing-on-demand"
patents.

Did any of you use printing on demand or books-on-demand prior to October
1996. I know it is a long time ago, but if you can remember it would be
extremely helpful. Also, when did cluster printing emerge. I can't even
remember the name of the company that sold the controller box.

Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Monty Kohli
843-324-1296
From cahill at bizprint.com  Wed Sep  5 14:58:43 2007
From: cahill at bizprint.com (Cahill@bizprint.com)
Date: Wed Sep  5 14:58:05 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
In-Reply-To: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
Message-ID: <C3045883.D853%cahill@bizprint.com>

Up 13% ytd.
-- 
Cahill Jones
BizPrint
Boise, Idaho



> From: Greg Weinfurter <pressexpress@bfm.org>
> Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> <printowners@printweb.org>
> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 10:34:49 -0500
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> <printowners@printweb.org>
> Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
> 
> By what percent?
> 
> 
> Greg Weinfurter
> Press Express
> 1869 N. Stevens St.
> Rhinelander, WI 54501
> Phone 715-362-2828
> Fax 715-369-2828
> info@pressexpress.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> 


From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com  Wed Sep  5 15:04:14 2007
From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo)
Date: Wed Sep  5 15:04:47 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] CF Label Stock?
Message-ID: <46DEFDAE.2020206@sugarloafprint.com>

We printed this type of stock back in '94.

I'm having a problem finding it now. Does anybody know of a source to 
purchase the stock or a trade printer that handles this stock?

TIA!

-- 
Ron Sardo
Sugarloaf Print Shop
mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com
www.sugarloafprint.com
570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077

From nt at andrewsblueprint.com  Wed Sep  5 15:10:15 2007
From: nt at andrewsblueprint.com (Nancy Thomsen)
Date: Wed Sep  5 15:09:48 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or
  down?
In-Reply-To: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
References: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20070905120312.02bdd990@mail.andrewsblueprint.com>


At 08:34 AM 9/5/2007, Greg wrote:
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?  By what percent?
>
>
>Greg Weinfurter
>Press Express

Our fiscal year ends June 30.  Our profits were up 10.5% on sales 
that were flat (up 2%).

Nancy




Nancy Thomsen
Andrews Blueprint, Inc.
269 Griffin St.
Salinas, CA 93901
831-424-0331
Fax 831-424-7485 Fax
www.andrewsblueprint.com

From kellycrom at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 15:21:44 2007
From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics)
Date: Wed Sep  5 15:20:26 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
In-Reply-To: <54ffb7170709051157v3cd7f910r9fc87249cbcc6792@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54ffb7170709051157v3cd7f910r9fc87249cbcc6792@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01d601c7eff1$ff65d8d0$6d01a8c0@KELLY>

Don't have an answer on when(if even officially) we advertised Printing on
Demand, but here is some info I found about T/R Systems(the inventor of the
MicroPress cluster system).

About T/R Systems

T/R Systems, inventor of the MicroPress Cluster Printing System, is a leader
in growth-optimized, short-run, digital document printing technology.
Founded in 1991, the company is known for its design and delivery of
on-demand, digital printing systems that are capable of high-end, production
level, quality and throughput with desktop computing simplicity.





Kelly Crom
Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.
2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
Plymouth, MN  55441
New Phone:  (763)231-6970
kellycrom@gmail.com
www.applied-graphics.com 

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org 
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Monty
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:58 PM
> To: printowners@printweb.org
> Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: 
> Please help.
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> Hi Printowners:
> 
> We are being sued by the holder of a business process patent on
> "Books-on-Demand" or "Printing on Demand".
> 
> A little background so you don't think I am a crackpot. I used to
> participate on printowners under my quickprinting company name
> Digitz.netAnd I learnt a heck of a lot from you veterans.
> 
> I had co-founded an online publishing company called 
> BookSurge that was sold
> to Amazon.com. Now, the holder of the faulty patent is 
> defaming and damaging
> us saying that we have stolen his "Book-on-demand" and 
> "printing-on-demand"
> patents.
> 
> Did any of you use printing on demand or books-on-demand 
> prior to October
> 1996. I know it is a long time ago, but if you can remember 
> it would be
> extremely helpful. Also, when did cluster printing emerge. I 
> can't even
> remember the name of the company that sold the controller box.
> 
> Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> Monty Kohli
> 843-324-1296
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> 

From keli at parchmentpress.net  Wed Sep  5 15:24:03 2007
From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie)
Date: Wed Sep  5 15:24:12 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Help needed
In-Reply-To: <002901c7efe9$bbf0fe20$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net>
References: <46DEF014.4030005@parchmentpress.net>
	<002901c7efe9$bbf0fe20$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <46DF0253.7060105@parchmentpress.net>

That would be great!
I have tried googling but can not find them!

any help - would be nice!

thanks,
Michael Markuson (aka Keli)
Parchment Press
52 S River St
Coxsackie, NY 12051

Hal Wendt wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> How about you buy it from the Manufacturer?
>
> Hal Wendt
> IMP Printing & Graphics Design
> Southgate, Michigan USA
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Keli of Coxsackie" <keli@parchmentpress.net>
> To: <printowners@printweb.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:06 PM
> Subject: [PrintOwners] Help needed
>
>
>   
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> Hello all..
>>
>> We have a Sulby Auto-Minabinda Mk11 - Does anyone have any ideas where
>> we can get training cds/manuals?
>> We want to fully understand the machine and know how to care for it!
>>
>> thanks,
>> Michael Markuson (aka Keli)
>> Parchment Press
>> 52 S River St
>> Coxsackie, NY 12051
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> PrintOwners Discussion List
>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>>
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mail at myprinter.biz  Wed Sep  5 15:26:29 2007
From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz)
Date: Wed Sep  5 15:26:36 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
In-Reply-To: <54ffb7170709051157v3cd7f910r9fc87249cbcc6792@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BEEIIPIOGLPLKIAABOLACEDMCMAA.mail@myprinter.biz>

Monty -

Who, specifically, are the folks that are giving you trouble, what,
generally anyway, are the reasons they're claiming you violated their
business process patent, and when did they patent whatever they patented?

I've already done a little research and suspect that whatever "patents" they
have would be very narrowly interpreted by the courts.

While amazon.com and one of its vendors initially lost a patent infringement
suit on something either similar or identical, the decision was over-turned
due to a strict (i.e., narrow) interpretation of the patent.

http://patentlaw.typepad.com/patent/2006/04/amazon_avoids_i.html


Dan
Sir Speedy Printing Center
5845 Hollywood Boulevard
Hollywood, FL 33021
t 954.962.1309
f 954.962.1366
dan@myprinter.biz
www.myprinter.biz



-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Monty
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:58 PM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Hi Printowners:

We are being sued by the holder of a business process patent on
"Books-on-Demand" or "Printing on Demand".

A little background so you don't think I am a crackpot. I used to
participate on printowners under my quickprinting company name
Digitz.netAnd I learnt a heck of a lot from you veterans.

I had co-founded an online publishing company called BookSurge that was sold
to Amazon.com. Now, the holder of the faulty patent is defaming and damaging
us saying that we have stolen his "Book-on-demand" and "printing-on-demand"
patents.

Did any of you use printing on demand or books-on-demand prior to October
1996. I know it is a long time ago, but if you can remember it would be
extremely helpful. Also, when did cluster printing emerge. I can't even
remember the name of the company that sold the controller box.

Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Monty Kohli
843-324-1296
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From slb at inkspot.net  Wed Sep  5 15:31:26 2007
From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman)
Date: Wed Sep  5 15:31:52 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
In-Reply-To: <54ffb7170709051157v3cd7f910r9fc87249cbcc6792@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46DECBCE.26919.6FBE1586@slb.inkspot.net>

The first cluster-printing setup I remember was the T/R Micropress. 
As far as earliest use of Print-On-Demand, you might ask the editors 
of Quick Printing Magazine for information on when they first wrote 
about it (or just information on an article or two before 1996). 

You might also check this book: http://tinyurl.com/2nagut. It's 
entitled "Book on Demand Publishing," and carries a 1995 copyright 
date. It'll probably help your "prior use" argument.

Steve





> 
> Hi Printowners:
> 
> We are being sued by the holder of a business process patent on
> "Books-on-Demand" or "Printing on Demand".
> 
> A little background so you don't think I am a crackpot. I used to
> participate on printowners under my quickprinting company name
> Digitz.netAnd I learnt a heck of a lot from you veterans.
> 
> I had co-founded an online publishing company called BookSurge that was sold
> to Amazon.com. Now, the holder of the faulty patent is defaming and damaging
> us saying that we have stolen his "Book-on-demand" and "printing-on-demand"
> patents.
> 
> Did any of you use printing on demand or books-on-demand prior to October
> 1996. I know it is a long time ago, but if you can remember it would be
> extremely helpful. Also, when did cluster printing emerge. I can't even
> remember the name of the company that sold the controller box.
> 
> Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> Monty Kohli
> 843-324-1296
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
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> 
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Tel: 610-647-0776
Fax: 610-647-4560

From noel.alford at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 15:32:24 2007
From: noel.alford at gmail.com (Noel Alford)
Date: Wed Sep  5 15:32:45 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
In-Reply-To: <54ffb7170709051157v3cd7f910r9fc87249cbcc6792@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54ffb7170709051157v3cd7f910r9fc87249cbcc6792@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <82db7cdd0709051232p2deb0f8dl319d8f922a2017c5@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.archive.org/ has archived web pages from years gone by. If you
can find some references there, you can preserve them with webpage grabbing
software.

You may be able to use google to search by limiting it to the domain but I
don't see an easy way to do it.
http://web.archive.org/collections/web/advanced.html will allow you to pull
up old domains.

On 9/5/07, Monty <monty.usa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Hi Printowners:
>
> We are being sued by the holder of a business process patent on
> "Books-on-Demand" or "Printing on Demand".
>
> A little background so you don't think I am a crackpot. I used to
> participate on printowners under my quickprinting company name
> Digitz.netAnd I learnt a heck of a lot from you veterans.
>
> I had co-founded an online publishing company called BookSurge that was
> sold
> to Amazon.com. Now, the holder of the faulty patent is defaming and
> damaging
> us saying that we have stolen his "Book-on-demand" and
> "printing-on-demand"
> patents.
>
> Did any of you use printing on demand or books-on-demand prior to October
> 1996. I know it is a long time ago, but if you can remember it would be
> extremely helpful. Also, when did cluster printing emerge. I can't even
> remember the name of the company that sold the controller box.
>
> Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Monty Kohli
> 843-324-1296
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>


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The Document Imaging Group
401 East Capitol Street
Suite 400
Jackson, MS 39201
601.948.1101
<mailto:noel.alford@gmail.com>
From rstor at copycats.com  Wed Sep  5 15:42:06 2007
From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor)
Date: Wed Sep  5 15:44:04 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
In-Reply-To: <54ffb7170709051157v3cd7f910r9fc87249cbcc6792@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54ffb7170709051157v3cd7f910r9fc87249cbcc6792@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46DF068E.7040201@copycats.com>

As far as I can remember, Xerox was talking about Print On Demand in the 
early '90s, shoertly after they introduced the Docutech.

Whether it was the concept or the exact terminology is not something 
that I remember. I would ask a trade journal if they have searcheable 
archives that go that far back. I would also ask AIIM.

FWIW, I have a book called "Moore's Imaging Dictionary" published in 
1993. They list "On Demand Printing" but do not list "Print on Demand"

Bob Stor
Copycats
New York, NY
212-557-2111 x20
www.copycats.com

Monty wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Hi Printowners:
>
> We are being sued by the holder of a business process patent on
> "Books-on-Demand" or "Printing on Demand".
>
> A little background so you don't think I am a crackpot. I used to
> participate on printowners under my quickprinting company name
> Digitz.netAnd I learnt a heck of a lot from you veterans.
>
> I had co-founded an online publishing company called BookSurge that was sold
> to Amazon.com. Now, the holder of the faulty patent is defaming and damaging
> us saying that we have stolen his "Book-on-demand" and "printing-on-demand"
> patents.
>
> Did any of you use printing on demand or books-on-demand prior to October
> 1996. I know it is a long time ago, but if you can remember it would be
> extremely helpful. Also, when did cluster printing emerge. I can't even
> remember the name of the company that sold the controller box.
>
> Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Monty Kohli
> 843-324-1296
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>
>
>   
From John at mpcny.com  Wed Sep  5 15:44:26 2007
From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry)
Date: Wed Sep  5 15:44:41 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need photo frames
Message-ID: <004201c7eff5$2b296e70$817c4b50$@com>

I have an order for 20 old and restored photos printed large format for a
local store redo. Have any of you doing large format found a picture frame
resource to buy them you like? I am thinking of the box style that I will
mount the prints on.

The prints will be in the 18-24 wide size.



John M. Henry
Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
125-129 East First Street
Oswego, New York 13126
(315) 343-3531
(315) 343-3577 Fax
www.mpcny.com
John@mpcny.com
We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider
Microsoft Publisher Service Provider
 We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and
Standard 
Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to 
mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!!

 


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From mail at myprinter.biz  Wed Sep  5 15:59:25 2007
From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz)
Date: Wed Sep  5 15:59:37 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
In-Reply-To: <46DF068E.7040201@copycats.com>
Message-ID: <BEEIIPIOGLPLKIAABOLAIEDOCMAA.mail@myprinter.biz>

Bob & Monty -

Actually, the "Xerox did it first" argument was brought up - and rejected as
inapplicable - in the suit (On Demand Machine v. Ingram and Amazon.com) that
amazon initially lost.

The courts held in amazon's favor in 2006, making the sensible ruling that
the patent had to be narrowly interpreted.

Had they not done so, ANY process that resulted in production of ANY number
of whatever's being printed in ANY time frame in ANY manner could have been
found to violate the patent.

Dan
Sir Speedy Printing Center
5845 Hollywood Boulevard
Hollywood, FL 33021
t 954.962.1309
f 954.962.1366
dan@myprinter.biz
www.myprinter.biz




-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Robert Stor
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 3:42 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please
help.


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

As far as I can remember, Xerox was talking about Print On Demand in the
early '90s, shoertly after they introduced the Docutech.

Whether it was the concept or the exact terminology is not something
that I remember. I would ask a trade journal if they have searcheable
archives that go that far back. I would also ask AIIM.

FWIW, I have a book called "Moore's Imaging Dictionary" published in
1993. They list "On Demand Printing" but do not list "Print on Demand"

Bob Stor
Copycats
New York, NY
212-557-2111 x20
www.copycats.com

Monty wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Hi Printowners:
>
> We are being sued by the holder of a business process patent on
> "Books-on-Demand" or "Printing on Demand".
>
> A little background so you don't think I am a crackpot. I used to
> participate on printowners under my quickprinting company name
> Digitz.netAnd I learnt a heck of a lot from you veterans.
>
> I had co-founded an online publishing company called BookSurge that was
sold
> to Amazon.com. Now, the holder of the faulty patent is defaming and
damaging
> us saying that we have stolen his "Book-on-demand" and
"printing-on-demand"
> patents.
>
> Did any of you use printing on demand or books-on-demand prior to October
> 1996. I know it is a long time ago, but if you can remember it would be
> extremely helpful. Also, when did cluster printing emerge. I can't even
> remember the name of the company that sold the controller box.
>
> Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Monty Kohli
> 843-324-1296
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>
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From monty.usa at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 16:05:41 2007
From: monty.usa at gmail.com (Monty)
Date: Wed Sep  5 16:05:54 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
In-Reply-To: <BEEIIPIOGLPLKIAABOLACEDMCMAA.mail@myprinter.biz>
References: <54ffb7170709051157v3cd7f910r9fc87249cbcc6792@mail.gmail.com>
	<BEEIIPIOGLPLKIAABOLACEDMCMAA.mail@myprinter.biz>
Message-ID: <54ffb7170709051305q2b66b9bfhc4c5c03169b67a17@mail.gmail.com>

You guys are great.

There are 2 parties to the suit. One is Amazon (hard to believe since they
were party to the OMDC suit that was overturned) the other is the creator of
the instabook Victor Celorio.

http://www.instabook.net/

I am going to follow all your suggestions.

Thanks again!

Monty

On 9/5/07, mail@myprinter.biz <mail@myprinter.biz> wrote:
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Monty -
>
> Who, specifically, are the folks that are giving you trouble, what,
> generally anyway, are the reasons they're claiming you violated their
> business process patent, and when did they patent whatever they patented?
>
> I've already done a little research and suspect that whatever "patents"
> they
> have would be very narrowly interpreted by the courts.
>
> While amazon.com and one of its vendors initially lost a patent
> infringement
> suit on something either similar or identical, the decision was
> over-turned
> due to a strict (i.e., narrow) interpretation of the patent.
>
> http://patentlaw.typepad.com/patent/2006/04/amazon_avoids_i.html
>
>
> Dan
> Sir Speedy Printing Center
> 5845 Hollywood Boulevard
> Hollywood, FL 33021
> t 954.962.1309
> f 954.962.1366
> dan@myprinter.biz
> www.myprinter.biz
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Monty
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:58 PM
> To: printowners@printweb.org
> Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
>
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Hi Printowners:
>
> We are being sued by the holder of a business process patent on
> "Books-on-Demand" or "Printing on Demand".
>
> A little background so you don't think I am a crackpot. I used to
> participate on printowners under my quickprinting company name
> Digitz.netAnd I learnt a heck of a lot from you veterans.
>
> I had co-founded an online publishing company called BookSurge that was
> sold
> to Amazon.com. Now, the holder of the faulty patent is defaming and
> damaging
> us saying that we have stolen his "Book-on-demand" and
> "printing-on-demand"
> patents.
>
> Did any of you use printing on demand or books-on-demand prior to October
> 1996. I know it is a long time ago, but if you can remember it would be
> extremely helpful. Also, when did cluster printing emerge. I can't even
> remember the name of the company that sold the controller box.
>
> Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Monty Kohli
> 843-324-1296
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
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From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com  Wed Sep  5 16:15:24 2007
From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn)
Date: Wed Sep  5 16:16:06 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
In-Reply-To: <008401c7efdb$b719b4e0$7d01a8c0@key.local>
Message-ID: <NCBBLKEPIPMAFICNFNJKGELKHMAA.bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com>

We were up about 18% last year, and YTD, we're up 30%. We hope to be over
$1.7 this year.

Bernie Bahn  | President | Creative Imaging Inc
1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200  | St. Louis MO 63026

Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 |
bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

http://www.creativeimaginginc.com <http://www.creativeimaginginc.com/>
Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Peter Church
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:42 AM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or
down?


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Sales are down 11%, net income is down 25%.




Peter Church
Keystone Press, LLC
9 Old Falls Road
Manchester, NH 03103
phone: 603-622-5222
fax: 603-622-9432

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:35 AM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?

By what percent?


Greg Weinfurter
Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org




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From ahavens at sbcglobal.net  Wed Sep  5 16:41:27 2007
From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Austin Havens)
Date: Wed Sep  5 16:37:59 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
References: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
Message-ID: <002801c7effd$22fed980$0401a8c0@austin>

Sales up 1.5%
Net up 1,755%
Need to figure it out, but I'm Lovin' It.

Austin Havens
Havens Printing & Copy Shop
200 N Main
McPherson, KS 67460
620-241-5400
ahavens@sbcglobal.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Weinfurter" <pressexpress@bfm.org>
To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only"
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:34 AM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
>
> By what percent?
>
>
> Greg Weinfurter
> Press Express
> 1869 N. Stevens St.
> Rhinelander, WI 54501
> Phone 715-362-2828
> Fax 715-369-2828
> info@pressexpress.org
>
>
>
>
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From andy at CedarBusinessCenter.com  Wed Sep  5 16:43:23 2007
From: andy at CedarBusinessCenter.com (Andy Flamm)
Date: Wed Sep  5 16:43:40 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] custom boxes
In-Reply-To: <000001c7efec$062755f0$3e00000a@Melissa>
References: <C30457CE.1B184%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
	<000001c7efec$062755f0$3e00000a@Melissa>
Message-ID: <e413ceeb0709051343t51e9ed03m81e7e9dd472ce6c@mail.gmail.com>

When we went independent we started buying from Central City Box & Paper in
CA, but we buy generic printed boxes they created for NAQP years ago. They
don't have our company info, but we think they look nicer than plain boxes
and we don't have to buy in large quantities as we would with custom boxes.
Shipping is costly, though.

If interested, our rep is Cathy Sciacca at 323-582-6263.

Andy

On 9/5/07, Melissa Uber <melissa@mykwikkopy.com> wrote:
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> We've been using S. Walter Pkg for our stationery boxes with our franchise
> logo on them. We are looking for alternate sources of custom box vendors.
> Does anyone have a source?
>
> Thanks!
> Melissa
>
> Kwik Kopy Printing
> 20 West Third St
> Jamestown, NY 14701
>
>
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From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com  Wed Sep  5 17:58:41 2007
From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat)
Date: Wed Sep  5 17:58:59 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
In-Reply-To: <54ffb7170709051157v3cd7f910r9fc87249cbcc6792@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <HMEDIEDICMMHGNJJMLEOOECHGFAA.richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com>

Monty,

T/R Systems had a cluster printing system called Micropress, and if I
remember right in 1997 I had a RIP called Colorflare for my color copier
made by UFO Systems and they also had a cluster system by that time.HTH.

Richard Moffat

Sir Speedy
244 S.W. 6th Street
Miami, Florida 33130
(305) 285-1401 Tel
(305) 285-1402 Fax
richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com
www.sirspeedy-brickell.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Monty
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:58 PM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Hi Printowners:

We are being sued by the holder of a business process patent on
"Books-on-Demand" or "Printing on Demand".

A little background so you don't think I am a crackpot. I used to
participate on printowners under my quickprinting company name
Digitz.netAnd I learnt a heck of a lot from you veterans.

I had co-founded an online publishing company called BookSurge that was sold
to Amazon.com. Now, the holder of the faulty patent is defaming and damaging
us saying that we have stolen his "Book-on-demand" and "printing-on-demand"
patents.

Did any of you use printing on demand or books-on-demand prior to October
1996. I know it is a long time ago, but if you can remember it would be
extremely helpful. Also, when did cluster printing emerge. I can't even
remember the name of the company that sold the controller box.

Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Monty Kohli
843-324-1296
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From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com  Wed Sep  5 18:11:09 2007
From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat)
Date: Wed Sep  5 18:11:36 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
In-Reply-To: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
Message-ID: <HMEDIEDICMMHGNJJMLEOEECIGFAA.richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com>

We are up 21%

Richard Moffat

Sir Speedy
244 S.W. 6th Street
Miami, Florida 33130
(305) 285-1401 Tel
(305) 285-1402 Fax
richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com
www.sirspeedy-brickell.com 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:35 AM
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Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?

By what percent?


Greg Weinfurter
Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org




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From rej at gte.net  Wed Sep  5 19:23:41 2007
From: rej at gte.net (Ronald Jones)
Date: Wed Sep  5 18:24:24 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help. -
	for Monty Kohli
In-Reply-To: <HMEDIEDICMMHGNJJMLEOOECHGFAA.richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com>
References: <HMEDIEDICMMHGNJJMLEOOECHGFAA.richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com>
Message-ID: <AFFE7EC0-E82A-42B8-B3B2-413E955ED20E@gte.net>

This message is for Monty Kohli.

I missed this thread but I recommend you contact me privately via e- 
mail about what you need.

_____________________
Dr. Ronald E. Jones
RonJon Publishing, Inc.
3728 Arapaho Rd.
Addison, TX 75001


On Sep 5, 2007, at 3:58 PM, Richard Moffat wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Monty,
>
> T/R Systems had a cluster printing system called Micropress, and if I
> remember right in 1997 I had a RIP called Colorflare for my color  
> copier
> made by UFO Systems and they also had a cluster system by that  
> time.HTH.
>
> Richard Moffat
>
> Sir Speedy
> 244 S.W. 6th Street
> Miami, Florida 33130
> (305) 285-1401 Tel
> (305) 285-1402 Fax
> richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com
> www.sirspeedy-brickell.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Monty
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:58 PM
> To: printowners@printweb.org
> Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please  
> help.
>
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Hi Printowners:
>
> We are being sued by the holder of a business process patent on
> "Books-on-Demand" or "Printing on Demand".
>
> A little background so you don't think I am a crackpot. I used to
> participate on printowners under my quickprinting company name
> Digitz.netAnd I learnt a heck of a lot from you veterans.
>
> I had co-founded an online publishing company called BookSurge that  
> was sold
> to Amazon.com. Now, the holder of the faulty patent is defaming and  
> damaging
> us saying that we have stolen his "Book-on-demand" and "printing-on- 
> demand"
> patents.
>
> Did any of you use printing on demand or books-on-demand prior to  
> October
> 1996. I know it is a long time ago, but if you can remember it  
> would be
> extremely helpful. Also, when did cluster printing emerge. I can't  
> even
> remember the name of the company that sold the controller box.
>
> Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Monty Kohli
> 843-324-1296
> _______________________________________________

From DanF at MMSNY.com  Wed Sep  5 18:37:22 2007
From: DanF at MMSNY.com (Dan Flatt)
Date: Wed Sep  5 18:34:46 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
Message-ID: <A496437572132B4F9CE0AD1D591E969D077EC5@corningserver1.mmsny.com>

Our sales are up around 7% but if we look closer we find that our largest customers are growing around 24% and our smallest customers are down around 60%. With 500 customers who bought from us this year, the bottom 40% are very soft.  These customers are either buying less or going elsewhere for pricing reasons.  Our breakeven on a sale is around $35 so we raised our minimum invoice to $30 in 2006 and our regular price adjustments  may be chasing price shopper away. We may increase minimums again and refocus our personel on the customers who truly value our product bundle.
 
Our prime customers are manufacturing, financial and non-profits. 
areas of growth include Signs, CD duplication, full color offset, mailing.
 
Our rev is expected to be around 2.6m in 2007. 
We expect owners compensation and net income combined will increase 45% over 2006. 
 
It would be nice to here the rev and the niche that each of you service.
 
Dan Flatt
Multi Media Services
Corning, NY
www.mmsny.com

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org on behalf of Austin Havens 
	Sent: Wed 9/5/2007 4:41 PM 
	To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only 
	Cc: 
	Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
	
	

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	Sales up 1.5%
	Net up 1,755%
	Need to figure it out, but I'm Lovin' It.
	
	Austin Havens
	Havens Printing & Copy Shop
	200 N Main
	McPherson, KS 67460
	620-241-5400
	ahavens@sbcglobal.net
	
	----- Original Message -----
	From: "Greg Weinfurter" <pressexpress@bfm.org>
	To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only"
	<printowners@printweb.org>
	Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:34 AM
	Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
	
	
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	> Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
	>
	> By what percent?
	>
	>
	> Greg Weinfurter
	> Press Express
	> 1869 N. Stevens St.
	> Rhinelander, WI 54501
	> Phone 715-362-2828
	> Fax 715-369-2828
	> info@pressexpress.org
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From brianoday at eprint.us  Wed Sep  5 19:14:10 2007
From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day)
Date: Wed Sep  5 19:14:35 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
In-Reply-To: <54ffb7170709051157v3cd7f910r9fc87249cbcc6792@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54ffb7170709051157v3cd7f910r9fc87249cbcc6792@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006e01c7f012$77e4a820$6c01a8c0@Brian>

Tr SYSTEMS SOLD THE CLUSTER BOXES we purchased them in aprox 1995.! Print on
demand was the whole concept of Quick Printing. I would also try contacting
John Stewart and Larry hunt they could possibly dig up info from the way
back machine. 

Brian O'Day
ePrint
Portland, Oregon
brianoday@eprint.us
503-684-2679

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Monty
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:58 AM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Hi Printowners:

We are being sued by the holder of a business process patent on
"Books-on-Demand" or "Printing on Demand".

A little background so you don't think I am a crackpot. I used to
participate on printowners under my quickprinting company name
Digitz.netAnd I learnt a heck of a lot from you veterans.

I had co-founded an online publishing company called BookSurge that was sold
to Amazon.com. Now, the holder of the faulty patent is defaming and damaging
us saying that we have stolen his "Book-on-demand" and "printing-on-demand"
patents.

Did any of you use printing on demand or books-on-demand prior to October
1996. I know it is a long time ago, but if you can remember it would be
extremely helpful. Also, when did cluster printing emerge. I can't even
remember the name of the company that sold the controller box.

Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Monty Kohli
843-324-1296
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From monty.usa at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 19:44:26 2007
From: monty.usa at gmail.com (Monty)
Date: Wed Sep  5 19:44:36 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
In-Reply-To: <006e01c7f012$77e4a820$6c01a8c0@Brian>
References: <54ffb7170709051157v3cd7f910r9fc87249cbcc6792@mail.gmail.com>
	<006e01c7f012$77e4a820$6c01a8c0@Brian>
Message-ID: <54ffb7170709051644hff470c7qb129b4a94899ce20@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Brian:

That is a great suggestion. I used to always talk to Larry Hunt before I
purchased any equipment.

I did use the wayback machine and was able to find some good info.

Does anyone have Larry Hunt's and Jack Stewart's contact info.?

Thanks
Monty

On 9/5/07, Brian O'Day <brianoday@eprint.us> wrote:
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Tr SYSTEMS SOLD THE CLUSTER BOXES we purchased them in aprox 1995.! Print
> on
> demand was the whole concept of Quick Printing. I would also try
> contacting
> John Stewart and Larry hunt they could possibly dig up info from the way
> back machine.
>
> Brian O'Day
> ePrint
> Portland, Oregon
> brianoday@eprint.us
> 503-684-2679
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Monty
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:58 AM
> To: printowners@printweb.org
> Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Hi Printowners:
>
> We are being sued by the holder of a business process patent on
> "Books-on-Demand" or "Printing on Demand".
>
> A little background so you don't think I am a crackpot. I used to
> participate on printowners under my quickprinting company name
> Digitz.netAnd I learnt a heck of a lot from you veterans.
>
> I had co-founded an online publishing company called BookSurge that was
> sold
> to Amazon.com. Now, the holder of the faulty patent is defaming and
> damaging
> us saying that we have stolen his "Book-on-demand" and
> "printing-on-demand"
> patents.
>
> Did any of you use printing on demand or books-on-demand prior to October
> 1996. I know it is a long time ago, but if you can remember it would be
> extremely helpful. Also, when did cluster printing emerge. I can't even
> remember the name of the company that sold the controller box.
>
> Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Monty Kohli
> 843-324-1296
> _______________________________________________
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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From huntleyw at bellsouth.net  Wed Sep  5 21:51:10 2007
From: huntleyw at bellsouth.net (Bill Huntley)
Date: Wed Sep  5 20:49:16 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
References: <54ffb7170709051157v3cd7f910r9fc87249cbcc6792@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001101c7f028$67d467c0$cfe60641@bills4drj3ddzy>

Hi Monty- I remember you from years ago - You had HP printers like we have-
8000 or 8100's. Ours are still doing well. Are you still in Charleston?
    When you say Patent, are you refering to the actual saying "Printing  on
Demand"? One might be able to copyright that sort of thing, but I don't
think you can patent it. I take it you can't prove that you used the phrase
before Oct. '96. How are they defaming you? And wouldn't Amazon provide
legal support for you?

Bill Huntley
Universal Copies
Columbia, SC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Monty" <monty.usa@gmail.com>
To: <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:57 PM
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Hi Printowners:
>
> We are being sued by the holder of a business process patent on
> "Books-on-Demand" or "Printing on Demand".
>
> A little background so you don't think I am a crackpot. I used to
> participate on printowners under my quickprinting company name
> Digitz.netAnd I learnt a heck of a lot from you veterans.
>
> I had co-founded an online publishing company called BookSurge that was
sold
> to Amazon.com. Now, the holder of the faulty patent is defaming and
damaging
> us saying that we have stolen his "Book-on-demand" and
"printing-on-demand"
> patents.
>
> Did any of you use printing on demand or books-on-demand prior to October
> 1996. I know it is a long time ago, but if you can remember it would be
> extremely helpful. Also, when did cluster printing emerge. I can't even
> remember the name of the company that sold the controller box.
>
> Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Monty Kohli
> 843-324-1296
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners

From huntleyw at bellsouth.net  Wed Sep  5 22:09:42 2007
From: huntleyw at bellsouth.net (Bill Huntley)
Date: Wed Sep  5 21:07:52 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
References: <54ffb7170709051157v3cd7f910r9fc87249cbcc6792@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005301c7f02a$fe33f8a0$cfe60641@bills4drj3ddzy>

So the process of putting a disc into a computer, opening the file, saving
the file on the computer for future use and sending the file to a printer
can be patented ? I have a bro in law that is a patent attorney and I have
always understood that a patent must present a unique and obvious
improvement to be considered. This reproduction process is the natural
extension of the growth of technology from multiple sources, not one
company's  great idea.  So unless the customer actually demands, in no
uncertain terms and in a loud voice or threating missive that you make
copies from his file, where's the harm?
Bill Huntley
Universal Copies
Columbia, SC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Monty" <monty.usa@gmail.com>
To: <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:57 PM
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Hi Printowners:
>
> We are being sued by the holder of a business process patent on
> "Books-on-Demand" or "Printing on Demand".
>
> A little background so you don't think I am a crackpot. I used to
> participate on printowners under my quickprinting company name
> Digitz.netAnd I learnt a heck of a lot from you veterans.
>
> I had co-founded an online publishing company called BookSurge that was
sold
> to Amazon.com. Now, the holder of the faulty patent is defaming and
damaging
> us saying that we have stolen his "Book-on-demand" and
"printing-on-demand"
> patents.
>
> Did any of you use printing on demand or books-on-demand prior to October
> 1996. I know it is a long time ago, but if you can remember it would be
> extremely helpful. Also, when did cluster printing emerge. I can't even
> remember the name of the company that sold the controller box.
>
> Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Monty Kohli
> 843-324-1296
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners

From sgfinke at fuse.net  Wed Sep  5 21:36:23 2007
From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott Finke)
Date: Wed Sep  5 21:25:44 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
In-Reply-To: <54ffb7170709051305q2b66b9bfhc4c5c03169b67a17@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54ffb7170709051157v3cd7f910r9fc87249cbcc6792@mail.gmail.com>
	<BEEIIPIOGLPLKIAABOLACEDMCMAA.mail@myprinter.biz>
	<54ffb7170709051305q2b66b9bfhc4c5c03169b67a17@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F0E9B13D-6B0F-409F-AED8-B7EB993B67BF@fuse.net>


Monty:

What is the patent for, exactly?

Instabook.net seems to be a strange-looking combination of different  
equipment that automates making a perfect-bound book. Is it the  
software? A proprietary machine? Or what? Anyway, it looks like a  
unit -- where does cluster printing come in?

And why is Amazon.com suing you if they bought your company? Or are  
you still doing the same sort of work but with a different company?

I can't help you with your questions but as a writer, I have  
certainly heard the words "print on demand" for years, and while I  
associated them with people who would cost you a lot of money to self- 
publish, I never associated them with any proprietary process or  
anything. I associated it with a kind of publisher (or to my mind  
fake publisher -- writers are a suspicious lot), not with a printer.

Gail Finke
Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc.
8630 Winton Road
Cincinnati, Ohio 45231
513-522-2679




On Sep 5, 2007, at 4:05 PM, Monty wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> You guys are great.
>
> There are 2 parties to the suit. One is Amazon (hard to believe  
> since they
> were party to the OMDC suit that was overturned) the other is the  
> creator of
> the instabook Victor Celorio.
>
> http://www.instabook.net/
>
> I am going to follow all your suggestions.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Monty
>
> On 9/5/07, mail@myprinter.biz <mail@myprinter.biz> wrote:
>>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> Monty -
>>
>> Who, specifically, are the folks that are giving you trouble, what,
>> generally anyway, are the reasons they're claiming you violated their
>> business process patent, and when did they patent whatever they  
>> patented?
>>
>> I've already done a little research and suspect that whatever  
>> "patents"
>> they
>> have would be very narrowly interpreted by the courts.
>>
>> While amazon.com and one of its vendors initially lost a patent
>> infringement
>> suit on something either similar or identical, the decision was
>> over-turned
>> due to a strict (i.e., narrow) interpretation of the patent.
>>
>> http://patentlaw.typepad.com/patent/2006/04/amazon_avoids_i.html
>>
>>
>> Dan
>> Sir Speedy Printing Center
>> 5845 Hollywood Boulevard
>> Hollywood, FL 33021
>> t 954.962.1309
>> f 954.962.1366
>> dan@myprinter.biz
>> www.myprinter.biz
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
>> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Monty
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:58 PM
>> To: printowners@printweb.org
>> Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please  
>> help.
>>
>>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> Hi Printowners:
>>
>> We are being sued by the holder of a business process patent on
>> "Books-on-Demand" or "Printing on Demand".
>>
>> A little background so you don't think I am a crackpot. I used to
>> participate on printowners under my quickprinting company name
>> Digitz.netAnd I learnt a heck of a lot from you veterans.
>>
>> I had co-founded an online publishing company called BookSurge  
>> that was
>> sold
>> to Amazon.com. Now, the holder of the faulty patent is defaming and
>> damaging
>> us saying that we have stolen his "Book-on-demand" and
>> "printing-on-demand"
>> patents.
>>
>> Did any of you use printing on demand or books-on-demand prior to  
>> October
>> 1996. I know it is a long time ago, but if you can remember it  
>> would be
>> extremely helpful. Also, when did cluster printing emerge. I can't  
>> even
>> remember the name of the company that sold the controller box.
>>
>> Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Monty Kohli
>> 843-324-1296
>> _______________________________________________
>> PrintOwners Discussion List
>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>>
>>
>>
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From monty.usa at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 23:02:02 2007
From: monty.usa at gmail.com (Monty)
Date: Wed Sep  5 23:02:22 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
In-Reply-To: <005301c7f02a$fe33f8a0$cfe60641@bills4drj3ddzy>
References: <54ffb7170709051157v3cd7f910r9fc87249cbcc6792@mail.gmail.com>
	<005301c7f02a$fe33f8a0$cfe60641@bills4drj3ddzy>
Message-ID: <54ffb7170709052002x2d0b709fuc44bf8b03724794a@mail.gmail.com>

Our wonderful patent office issued the following business process patents.
*US PATENTS 6012890, 6213703
*Our tax dollars at work again
-------------------

On 9/5/07, Bill Huntley <huntleyw@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> So the process of putting a disc into a computer, opening the file, saving
> the file on the computer for future use and sending the file to a printer
> can be patented ? I have a bro in law that is a patent attorney and I have
> always understood that a patent must present a unique and obvious
> improvement to be considered. This reproduction process is the natural
> extension of the growth of technology from multiple sources, not one
> company's  great idea.  So unless the customer actually demands, in no
> uncertain terms and in a loud voice or threating missive that you make
> copies from his file, where's the harm?
> Bill Huntley
> Universal Copies
> Columbia, SC
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Monty" <monty.usa@gmail.com>
> To: <printowners@printweb.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:57 PM
> Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
>
>
> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> >
> > Hi Printowners:
> >
> > We are being sued by the holder of a business process patent on
> > "Books-on-Demand" or "Printing on Demand".
> >
> > A little background so you don't think I am a crackpot. I used to
> > participate on printowners under my quickprinting company name
> > Digitz.netAnd I learnt a heck of a lot from you veterans.
> >
> > I had co-founded an online publishing company called BookSurge that was
> sold
> > to Amazon.com. Now, the holder of the faulty patent is defaming and
> damaging
> > us saying that we have stolen his "Book-on-demand" and
> "printing-on-demand"
> > patents.
> >
> > Did any of you use printing on demand or books-on-demand prior to
> October
> > 1996. I know it is a long time ago, but if you can remember it would be
> > extremely helpful. Also, when did cluster printing emerge. I can't even
> > remember the name of the company that sold the controller box.
> >
> > Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Monty Kohli
> > 843-324-1296
> > _______________________________________________
> > PrintOwners Discussion List
> > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
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From bherion at bucksdigital.com  Thu Sep  6 07:05:29 2007
From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion)
Date: Thu Sep  6 07:13:32 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:"Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070906070314.0327c748@bucksdigital.com>

Please respond with the patent number at issue.

Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's
Bucks Digital Printing  v.215.579.4200    f.215-579-9510
90 Walker Lane  Newtown, PA 18940
www.bucksdigital.com


From monty.usa at gmail.com  Thu Sep  6 08:41:44 2007
From: monty.usa at gmail.com (Monty)
Date: Thu Sep  6 08:41:59 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:"Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070906070314.0327c748@bucksdigital.com>
References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070906070314.0327c748@bucksdigital.com>
Message-ID: <54ffb7170709060541x312da63bu3b6f807e00e2731b@mail.gmail.com>

*US PATENTS 6012890, 6213703*

On 9/6/07, Bob Herion <bherion@bucksdigital.com> wrote:
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Please respond with the patent number at issue.
>
> Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's
> Bucks Digital Printing  v.215.579.4200    f.215-579-9510
> 90 Walker Lane  Newtown, PA 18940
> www.bucksdigital.com
>
>
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> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
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>
From russ at mobile-print.com  Thu Sep  6 09:42:44 2007
From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters)
Date: Thu Sep  6 08:44:24 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
In-Reply-To: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
References: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
Message-ID: <46E003D4.4010105@mobile-print.com>

Sales are up 11.7% YTD vs. last year.

Russ Peters
MOBILE PRINT, INC.
201 W. Central Road
Mount Prospect, IL 60056
Phone: 847-398-6155
Fax: 847-398-0788


From mail at myprinter.biz  Thu Sep  6 09:03:14 2007
From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz)
Date: Thu Sep  6 09:03:31 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
In-Reply-To: <54ffb7170709052002x2d0b709fuc44bf8b03724794a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BEEIIPIOGLPLKIAABOLAGEFNCMAA.mail@myprinter.biz>

Monty -

Still not sure what you or your former company is doing that the patent
holder claims violates their patents.

I browsed both of instabook's patents, and both refer to fairly specifically
delineated automated electronic and mechanical processes and equipment to be
used by "electronic bookstores" to produce books very quickly.

Interestingly, I think it's possible that some of what Instabooks is doing
IS in violation of the patent(s) that were actually upheld in On Demand
Machine v. Ingram and Amazon.com, because much of the language about how
orders might be generated (e.g., web catalog) and very promptly fulfilled is
extremely similar, as is much of the language about the no-inventory
benefits.

Surely amazon's lawyers know this, but just in case they don't, you might
consider having your lawyer (or amazon's) inform Instabook's lawyer that if
the infringement suit is further pursued, you'll do whatever you can to make
sure it ends up being against Instabook by On Demand Machine, and that since
amazon, with far deeper pockets than Instabook, actually lost that suit
(later overturned solely on the narrow grounds that amazon was NOT offering
extremely quick production, as is Instabook), Instabook is very likely to be
the loser.

Instabook's defense in such a patent infringement suit could only be that
the manufacturing process they use is different from the one envisioned in
On Demand's patent, but the court didn't find that defense valid in the
prior suit, and, had they done so, it would be the exact grounds on which
you'd win the current suit, because the manufacturing processes delineated
in Instabook's patents are so specific that somebody else doing it
differently is a cinch (in fact, everybody's been doing it differently for
as long as prefect-bound books have been produced in any quantity at any
speed).

The above is sort of a "best you back off and shut up" threat, but it's one
I'd be listening to if I were representing Instabook.

Buena suerte.

Dan
Sir Speedy Printing Center
5845 Hollywood Boulevard
Hollywood, FL 33021
t 954.962.1309
f 954.962.1366
dan@myprinter.biz
www.myprinter.biz











-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Monty
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:02 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please
help.


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Our wonderful patent office issued the following business process patents.
*US PATENTS 6012890, 6213703
*Our tax dollars at work again
-------------------

On 9/5/07, Bill Huntley <huntleyw@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> So the process of putting a disc into a computer, opening the file, saving
> the file on the computer for future use and sending the file to a printer
> can be patented ? I have a bro in law that is a patent attorney and I have
> always understood that a patent must present a unique and obvious
> improvement to be considered. This reproduction process is the natural
> extension of the growth of technology from multiple sources, not one
> company's  great idea.  So unless the customer actually demands, in no
> uncertain terms and in a loud voice or threating missive that you make
> copies from his file, where's the harm?
> Bill Huntley
> Universal Copies
> Columbia, SC
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Monty" <monty.usa@gmail.com>
> To: <printowners@printweb.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:57 PM
> Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
>
>
> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> >
> > Hi Printowners:
> >
> > We are being sued by the holder of a business process patent on
> > "Books-on-Demand" or "Printing on Demand".
> >
> > A little background so you don't think I am a crackpot. I used to
> > participate on printowners under my quickprinting company name
> > Digitz.netAnd I learnt a heck of a lot from you veterans.
> >
> > I had co-founded an online publishing company called BookSurge that was
> sold
> > to Amazon.com. Now, the holder of the faulty patent is defaming and
> damaging
> > us saying that we have stolen his "Book-on-demand" and
> "printing-on-demand"
> > patents.
> >
> > Did any of you use printing on demand or books-on-demand prior to
> October
> > 1996. I know it is a long time ago, but if you can remember it would be
> > extremely helpful. Also, when did cluster printing emerge. I can't even
> > remember the name of the company that sold the controller box.
> >
> > Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Monty Kohli
> > 843-324-1296
> > _______________________________________________
> > PrintOwners Discussion List
> > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
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From rej at gte.net  Thu Sep  6 10:16:35 2007
From: rej at gte.net (Ronald Jones)
Date: Thu Sep  6 09:17:24 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:"Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help
	- Quickie Patent search
In-Reply-To: <54ffb7170709060541x312da63bu3b6f807e00e2731b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070906070314.0327c748@bucksdigital.com>
	<54ffb7170709060541x312da63bu3b6f807e00e2731b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7A931926-339E-4BA6-BFCC-A00977B01F0F@gte.net>

Just a hint for finding this stuff...

Copy the patent numbers and paste it into the Google search box -  
that's it. You can do this with tracking numbers (UPS, etc.), VIN#,  
area codes, zip codes, and others.

Piece O' Cake!

Ron

_____________________
Dr. Ronald E. Jones
RonJon Publishing, Inc.
3728 Arapaho Rd.
Addison, TX 75001
800-262-3060





On Sep 6, 2007, at 6:41 AM, Monty wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> *US PATENTS 6012890, 6213703*
>
> On 9/6/07, Bob Herion <bherion@bucksdigital.com> wrote:
>>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> Please respond with the patent number at issue.
>>
>> Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's
>> Bucks Digital Printing  v.215.579.4200    f.215-579-9510
>> 90 Walker Lane  Newtown, PA 18940
>> www.bucksdigital.com

From braddpotter at juno.com  Thu Sep  6 10:13:11 2007
From: braddpotter at juno.com (Brad D Potter)
Date: Thu Sep  6 10:13:06 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Does anyone keep minutes or notes from production
	meetings??
Message-ID: <20070906.071311.692.0.braddpotter@juno.com>

  I am calling a production meeting for monday morning. 8 AM attendance
required.

>>>>>>>>

My "agenda" is kudos FIRST,   (what we did right last week) 

Then rapid fire down the list (computerized list) of work in shop.

Then "exceptions" jobs that are taking longer for whatever reason.

Then "problem" jobs, jobs where we failed or violated the customer.




Does anyone do anything ELSE or do you keep notes??????????














Printing Services
www.myprintsource.net 
3480 SE Bethel Road 
Port Orchard, Washington   98366
360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax
From jedwards at printzilla.net  Thu Sep  6 10:31:05 2007
From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards)
Date: Thu Sep  6 10:34:33 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Does anyone keep minutes or notes from production
	meetings??
In-Reply-To: <20070906.071311.692.0.braddpotter@juno.com>
References: <20070906.071311.692.0.braddpotter@juno.com>
Message-ID: <06203485-3122-4252-93BD-374BB5CD8FDD@printzilla.net>


On Sep 6, 2007, at 9:13 AM, Brad D Potter wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>   I am calling a production meeting for monday morning. 8 AM  
> attendance
> required.
>
>>>>>>>>>
>
> My "agenda" is kudos FIRST,   (what we did right last week)
>
> Then rapid fire down the list (computerized list) of work in shop.
>
> Then "exceptions" jobs that are taking longer for whatever reason.
>
> Then "problem" jobs, jobs where we failed or violated the customer.
>
>
>
>
> Does anyone do anything ELSE or do you keep notes??????????



Back in the heyday of the mobile home industry in Florida the plant  
manager would call a sales meeting. He'd climb up on the conference  
table and pace back and forth praising the salesmen with the best  
numbers. Then he'd turn to the lowest man on the totem pole and fire  
him in front of everyone else. It kept the remaining ones hopping.

Jack Edwards
Printing Plus
Oak Ridge North, Texas
From bob at rjmprinting.com  Thu Sep  6 10:41:23 2007
From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek)
Date: Thu Sep  6 10:41:38 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Does anyone keep minutes or notes from
	productionmeetings??
In-Reply-To: <20070906.071311.692.0.braddpotter@juno.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000061299073@popp.net>

We have a production meeting every morning for 15-20 minutes.  This provides
more immediate feedback and address issues more correctly then a weekly
production meeting.

We have each department talk about what they have on their list for the day.
I keep my notes on the daily production schedule for about two weeks so I
can refer back to them.

Fwiw, that is the way we do it.

Bob Molacek
Sir Speedy Printing
7793 Ranchers Road
Fridley, MN  55432
763-571-4608
bob@rjmprinting.com
 
-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brad D Potter
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:13 AM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] Does anyone keep minutes or notes from
productionmeetings??

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

  I am calling a production meeting for monday morning. 8 AM attendance
required.

>>>>>>>>

My "agenda" is kudos FIRST,   (what we did right last week) 

Then rapid fire down the list (computerized list) of work in shop.

Then "exceptions" jobs that are taking longer for whatever reason.

Then "problem" jobs, jobs where we failed or violated the customer.




Does anyone do anything ELSE or do you keep notes??????????














Printing Services
www.myprintsource.net 
3480 SE Bethel Road 
Port Orchard, Washington   98366
360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax
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Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Thu Sep  6 10:58:53 2007
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Thu Sep  6 10:58:05 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Does anyone keep minutes or notes from production
	meetings??
In-Reply-To: <06203485-3122-4252-93BD-374BB5CD8FDD@printzilla.net>
References: <20070906.071311.692.0.braddpotter@juno.com>
	<06203485-3122-4252-93BD-374BB5CD8FDD@printzilla.net>
Message-ID: <C926879B-686A-4C65-859F-93B6A9B5AD43@falconprintandcopy.com>

What did you get for second to last... a set of steak knives?

(Glengary Glenross, watch it if you haven't).

Regards,

Borzou


-------------- next part --------------

www.falconprintandcopy.com
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134


On Sep 6, 2007, at 10:31 AM, Jack Edwards wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>
> On Sep 6, 2007, at 9:13 AM, Brad D Potter wrote:
>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>>   I am calling a production meeting for monday morning. 8 AM  
>> attendance
>> required.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>> My "agenda" is kudos FIRST,   (what we did right last week)
>>
>> Then rapid fire down the list (computerized list) of work in shop.
>>
>> Then "exceptions" jobs that are taking longer for whatever reason.
>>
>> Then "problem" jobs, jobs where we failed or violated the customer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone do anything ELSE or do you keep notes??????????
>
>
>
> Back in the heyday of the mobile home industry in Florida the plant  
> manager would call a sales meeting. He'd climb up on the conference  
> table and pace back and forth praising the salesmen with the best  
> numbers. Then he'd turn to the lowest man on the totem pole and  
> fire him in front of everyone else. It kept the remaining ones  
> hopping.
>
> Jack Edwards
> Printing Plus
> Oak Ridge North, Texas
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>

From slb at inkspot.net  Thu Sep  6 11:00:15 2007
From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman)
Date: Thu Sep  6 11:00:53 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
In-Reply-To: <005301c7f02a$fe33f8a0$cfe60641@bills4drj3ddzy>
Message-ID: <46DFDDBF.20780.73EC2E9C@slb.inkspot.net>

Actually, in order to be eligible for a patent, it has to be NOT 
obvious to a practitioner in the field. Unfortunately, though, we 
have a long history of judges (who are educated as attorneys, and 
have no technical expertise) imagining themselves experts, and 
upholding patents on nonexistent technical grounds. One of the more 
egregious examples was the US Supreme Court decision upholding Lee 
DeForest's pirating of Edwin Armstrong's patent of the regenerative 
circuit. The judge who wrote the majority opinion refuted his own 
argument therein, but Armstrong lost anyway.

Oh, well. Gotta clear off the work on my desk and go sell more stuff.

Steve


> 
> So the process of putting a disc into a computer, opening the file, saving
> the file on the computer for future use and sending the file to a printer
> can be patented ? I have a bro in law that is a patent attorney and I have
> always understood that a patent must present a unique and obvious
> improvement to be considered. This reproduction process is the natural
> extension of the growth of technology from multiple sources, not one
> company's  great idea.  So unless the customer actually demands, in no
> uncertain terms and in a loud voice or threating missive that you make
> copies from his file, where's the harm?
> Bill Huntley
> Universal Copies
> Columbia, SC
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Monty" <monty.usa@gmail.com>
> To: <printowners@printweb.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:57 PM
> Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
> 
> 
> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> >
> > Hi Printowners:
> >
> > We are being sued by the holder of a business process patent on
> > "Books-on-Demand" or "Printing on Demand".
> >
> > A little background so you don't think I am a crackpot. I used to
> > participate on printowners under my quickprinting company name
> > Digitz.netAnd I learnt a heck of a lot from you veterans.
> >
> > I had co-founded an online publishing company called BookSurge that was
> sold
> > to Amazon.com. Now, the holder of the faulty patent is defaming and
> damaging
> > us saying that we have stolen his "Book-on-demand" and
> "printing-on-demand"
> > patents.
> >
> > Did any of you use printing on demand or books-on-demand prior to October
> > 1996. I know it is a long time ago, but if you can remember it would be
> > extremely helpful. Also, when did cluster printing emerge. I can't even
> > remember the name of the company that sold the controller box.
> >
> > Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Monty Kohli
> > 843-324-1296
> > _______________________________________________
> > PrintOwners Discussion List
> > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> 
> 
> __________ NOD32 2509 (20070906) Information __________
> 
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> 

Steve Blatman
Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
Tel: 610-647-0776
Fax: 610-647-4560

From slb at inkspot.net  Thu Sep  6 11:04:59 2007
From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman)
Date: Thu Sep  6 11:05:42 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
In-Reply-To: <005301c7f02a$fe33f8a0$cfe60641@bills4drj3ddzy>
Message-ID: <46DFDEDB.8623.73F086F3@slb.inkspot.net>

Actually, in order to be eligible for a patent, it has to be NOT 
obvious to a practitioner in the field. Unfortunately, though, we 
have a long history of judges (who are educated as attorneys, and 
have no technical expertise) imagining themselves experts, and 
upholding patents on nonexistent technical grounds. One of the more 
egregious examples was the US Supreme Court decision upholding Lee 
DeForest's pirating of Edwin Armstrong's patent of the regenerative 
circuit. The judge who wrote the majority opinion refuted his own 
argument therein, but Armstrong lost anyway.

Oh, well. Gotta clear off the work on my desk and go sell more stuff.

Steve


> 
> So the process of putting a disc into a computer, opening the file, saving
> the file on the computer for future use and sending the file to a printer
> can be patented ? I have a bro in law that is a patent attorney and I have
> always understood that a patent must present a unique and obvious
> improvement to be considered. This reproduction process is the natural
> extension of the growth of technology from multiple sources, not one
> company's  great idea.  So unless the customer actually demands, in no
> uncertain terms and in a loud voice or threating missive that you make
> copies from his file, where's the harm?
> Bill Huntley
> Universal Copies
> Columbia, SC
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Monty" <monty.usa@gmail.com>
> To: <printowners@printweb.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:57 PM
> Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
> 
> 
> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> >
> > Hi Printowners:
> >
> > We are being sued by the holder of a business process patent on
> > "Books-on-Demand" or "Printing on Demand".
> >
> > A little background so you don't think I am a crackpot. I used to
> > participate on printowners under my quickprinting company name
> > Digitz.netAnd I learnt a heck of a lot from you veterans.
> >
> > I had co-founded an online publishing company called BookSurge that was
> sold
> > to Amazon.com. Now, the holder of the faulty patent is defaming and
> damaging
> > us saying that we have stolen his "Book-on-demand" and
> "printing-on-demand"
> > patents.
> >
> > Did any of you use printing on demand or books-on-demand prior to October
> > 1996. I know it is a long time ago, but if you can remember it would be
> > extremely helpful. Also, when did cluster printing emerge. I can't even
> > remember the name of the company that sold the controller box.
> >
> > Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Monty Kohli
> > 843-324-1296
> > _______________________________________________
> > PrintOwners Discussion List
> > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> 
> 
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> 
> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
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> 
> 

Steve Blatman
Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
Tel: 610-647-0776
Fax: 610-647-4560

From slb at inkspot.net  Thu Sep  6 11:04:59 2007
From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman)
Date: Thu Sep  6 11:05:46 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
In-Reply-To: <54ffb7170709051644hff470c7qb129b4a94899ce20@mail.gmail.com>
References: <006e01c7f012$77e4a820$6c01a8c0@Brian>
Message-ID: <46DFDEDB.3631.73F08667@slb.inkspot.net>

John Stewart is on this list. His web site is 
www.quickconsultant.com, and has a link to Larry Hunt's web site.

HTH,
Steve


> 
> Hi Brian:
> 
> That is a great suggestion. I used to always talk to Larry Hunt before I
> purchased any equipment.
> 
> I did use the wayback machine and was able to find some good info.
> 
> Does anyone have Larry Hunt's and Jack Stewart's contact info.?
> 
> Thanks
> Monty
> 
> On 9/5/07, Brian O'Day <brianoday@eprint.us> wrote:
> >
> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> >
> > Tr SYSTEMS SOLD THE CLUSTER BOXES we purchased them in aprox 1995.! Print
> > on
> > demand was the whole concept of Quick Printing. I would also try
> > contacting
> > John Stewart and Larry hunt they could possibly dig up info from the way
> > back machine.
> >
> > Brian O'Day
> > ePrint
> > Portland, Oregon
> > brianoday@eprint.us
> > 503-684-2679
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Monty
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:58 AM
> > To: printowners@printweb.org
> > Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
> >
> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> >
> > Hi Printowners:
> >
> > We are being sued by the holder of a business process patent on
> > "Books-on-Demand" or "Printing on Demand".
> >
> > A little background so you don't think I am a crackpot. I used to
> > participate on printowners under my quickprinting company name
> > Digitz.netAnd I learnt a heck of a lot from you veterans.
> >
> > I had co-founded an online publishing company called BookSurge that was
> > sold
> > to Amazon.com. Now, the holder of the faulty patent is defaming and
> > damaging
> > us saying that we have stolen his "Book-on-demand" and
> > "printing-on-demand"
> > patents.
> >
> > Did any of you use printing on demand or books-on-demand prior to October
> > 1996. I know it is a long time ago, but if you can remember it would be
> > extremely helpful. Also, when did cluster printing emerge. I can't even
> > remember the name of the company that sold the controller box.
> >
> > Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Monty Kohli
> > 843-324-1296
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From DanF at MMSNY.com  Thu Sep  6 11:40:47 2007
From: DanF at MMSNY.com (Dan Flatt)
Date: Thu Sep  6 11:38:03 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
Message-ID: <A496437572132B4F9CE0AD1D591E969DBC540F@corningserver1.mmsny.com>

Our sales are up around 7% but if we look closer we find that our largest customers are growing around 24% and our smallest customers are down around 60%. With 500 customers who bought from us this year, the bottom 40% are very soft.  These customers are either buying less or going elsewhere for pricing reasons.  Our breakeven on a sale is around $35 so we raised our minimum invoice to $30 in 2006 and our regular price adjustments  may be chasing price shopper away. We may increase minimums again and refocus our personel on the customers who truly value our product bundle.
 
Our prime customers are manufacturing, financial and non-profits. 
areas of growth include Signs, CD duplication, full color offset, mailing.
 
Our rev is expected to be around 2.6m in 2007. 
We expect owners compensation and net income combined will increase 45% over 2006. 
 
It would be nice to here the rev and the niche that each of you service.
 

Daniel Flatt, M.B.A Syracuse University
vice president and co-owner
Multi Media Services / Sunset Printers 
Cell     607-331-7217   PLEASE TRY TO CONTACT ME ON MY CELL BEFORE CALLING THE OFFICE

Fax     1-877-684-3043 

Office  1-607-936-3186 

www.mmsny.com <http://www.mmsny.com/>  

"You don't make decisions because they are easy.  You don't make decisions because they are cheap.  You don't make decisions because they are popular.  You make decisions because they are right."
Theodore Hessburgh 
president emeritus of the University of Notre Dame 1953-1987 

Other employees cell phone numbers:

Rick Bartholomew                                  (President and co-owner)            607-769-8111

Patty Carlson                                        (On-demand leader)                    607-331-5314

Suzie Bartholomew                                (IR account manager)                 607-331-7068

Ralph Begeal                                         (Special account rep)                 607-331-5572

Emily Coletta                                               (Prepress / design)                     607-331-7708

David Jackson                                       (Finance manager /CSR)            607-331-5422

Rose Flatt                                             (Prepress / design)                     607-331-1555

Dick Shelford                                         (Sunset operations)                    607-331-5775

Judy Pruyne                                          (Prepress / design)                     607-331-5963

Dave Satterly                                         (IR Athens in-plant)                    607-331-6025

Margaret Puffer                                      (Mailing services / On demand)   607-936-3186


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Dan Flatt
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 6:37 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only; Discussion List
for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or
down?


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From robin at protypeonline.com  Thu Sep  6 12:00:41 2007
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Thu Sep  6 12:00:13 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Backing Up -- AGAIN!
Message-ID: <194C0B0E-E507-4EA9-B0A2-9A53235460EA@protypeonline.com>

We are still trying to decide on a simple, effective method of  
backing up our client files. Currently we are using some sort of tape  
back up using Retrospect software -- and we have a Quantum Raid 4  
network server (all of this is greek to me! -- just repeating what I  
have been told). The tape is very unreliable and now doesn't even  
want to work at all and I have directed my dtp staff to find  
something better.
I was all excited about the prospect of having the ability to have  
another company log into our system and do a remote backup for us.  
Seemed simple and also solved our problem about off-site copies. But,  
some have said that storing files of this size and quantity is cost  
prohibitive and how do you purge old files to keep your storage needs  
from ballooning enormously each year?
Who knows anything about Network Attached Storage Devices?
robin

p.s. I was told we are currently storing 350GB of client files.


Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com


From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Thu Sep  6 12:02:54 2007
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Thu Sep  6 12:02:07 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] CD cases
In-Reply-To: <C926879B-686A-4C65-859F-93B6A9B5AD43@falconprintandcopy.com>
References: <20070906.071311.692.0.braddpotter@juno.com>
	<06203485-3122-4252-93BD-374BB5CD8FDD@printzilla.net>
	<C926879B-686A-4C65-859F-93B6A9B5AD43@falconprintandcopy.com>
Message-ID: <1AC54E68-A7A1-4304-B2FE-479173E4A9BA@falconprintandcopy.com>

I need a self-enclosed CD case.  A piece printed on cover, and folded  
into a small pocket to slide the CD into.  Like the one all the free  
AOL cds used to come in.  Can anyone recommend a vendor for this?

Regards,

Borzou


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www.falconprintandcopy.com
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134



From Azkwikkopy at aol.com  Thu Sep  6 12:08:54 2007
From: Azkwikkopy at aol.com (Azkwikkopy@aol.com)
Date: Thu Sep  6 12:09:14 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Quicksilver - Next Generation plate material
Message-ID: <d49.10d45f56.34118016@aol.com>

I have been buying this material for my 430 camera from Presstek.  They have 
a $500.00 minimum before they share the freight charges.  Where can I buy this 
material in smaller quantities and no freight?

Nick Allion 
Copy Right Printing
2406 S. 24th Street
Phoenix, Arizona 85034
v - 602-275-7255
f - 602-275-9711
c - 602-882-9681
e - copyrightaz@aol.com

Pledge
Your Copy will be Right, look great and be on time, the first time.





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From gamble at choiceonemail.com  Thu Sep  6 12:23:49 2007
From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird)
Date: Thu Sep  6 12:24:10 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Quicksilver - Next Generation plate material
In-Reply-To: <d49.10d45f56.34118016@aol.com>
References: <d49.10d45f56.34118016@aol.com>
Message-ID: <087701c7f0a2$4e895620$0201a8c0@RICK>

Try xpedx in your area we use the local papershop (xpedex) in the area.

Rick Bird
Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc.
Buffalo NY 14127
(716) 662-1515
(716) 662-5917 - fax
gamblw@choiceonemail.com - email 

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Azkwikkopy@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:09 PM
To: PRINTOWNERS@PRINTWEB.ORG
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Quicksilver - Next Generation plate material

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I have been buying this material for my 430 camera from Presstek.  They have

a $500.00 minimum before they share the freight charges.  Where can I buy
this 
material in smaller quantities and no freight?

Nick Allion 
Copy Right Printing
2406 S. 24th Street
Phoenix, Arizona 85034
v - 602-275-7255
f - 602-275-9711
c - 602-882-9681
e - copyrightaz@aol.com

Pledge
Your Copy will be Right, look great and be on time, the first time.





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From printer at ptialaska.net  Thu Sep  6 12:27:01 2007
From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln)
Date: Thu Sep  6 12:27:16 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Backing Up -- AGAIN!
In-Reply-To: <194C0B0E-E507-4EA9-B0A2-9A53235460EA@protypeonline.com>
References: <194C0B0E-E507-4EA9-B0A2-9A53235460EA@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <3C47769F-C186-4337-B66D-B352D6985AD2@ptialaska.net>

Order this:

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=101760

then get a case for it and keep it off site. Backup every Friday and  
take it home. Even better is to get 2 of these units, keep one there  
all week backing up daily, then swap it out.

They work great...


_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

Charles Lincoln
ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
612 30th Avenue
Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
(907) 451-1111
fax (907) 451-4511

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

From thom at acepm.com  Thu Sep  6 12:28:33 2007
From: thom at acepm.com (Thom Gulyas)
Date: Thu Sep  6 12:30:32 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Backing Up -- AGAIN!
In-Reply-To: <194C0B0E-E507-4EA9-B0A2-9A53235460EA@protypeonline.com>
References: <194C0B0E-E507-4EA9-B0A2-9A53235460EA@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <013901c7f0a2$f7d5f170$e781d450$@com>

Robin,

Have you thought about setting in place an honest rack mounted Snap! Server?
Scott C. is helping me set mine up via telephone and it is working out
wonderful!! I'm extremely happy and can offload all the mess that has been
bogging down the computers. 

I would seriously think about going this way and making things easy on
yourself.

As far as having offsite, you can get a little portable HD and use that. Or
perhaps burn all the older items onto DVD and clean up the files that way?

You have several options..... 


Thom Gulyas
ACE Printing & Mailing
10026 Old Ocean City Boulevard Unit # 3
Berlin, Maryland? 21811

410-641-3636 / FAX 410-641-1167
Web Page: www.ACEPM.com

We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider
and a Microsoft Publisher Service Provider.

We offer mailing services for First, Second and Standard class mailings. We
handle everything from concept...to printing...to mailing!

Ask us how we can SAVE YOU MONEY!!! 


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:01 PM
To: printowners printowners
Subject: [PrintOwners] Backing Up -- AGAIN!

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

We are still trying to decide on a simple, effective method of  
backing up our client files. Currently we are using some sort of tape  
back up using Retrospect software -- and we have a Quantum Raid 4  
network server (all of this is greek to me! -- just repeating what I  
have been told). The tape is very unreliable and now doesn't even  
want to work at all and I have directed my dtp staff to find  
something better.
I was all excited about the prospect of having the ability to have  
another company log into our system and do a remote backup for us.  
Seemed simple and also solved our problem about off-site copies. But,  
some have said that storing files of this size and quantity is cost  
prohibitive and how do you purge old files to keep your storage needs  
from ballooning enormously each year?
Who knows anything about Network Attached Storage Devices?
robin

p.s. I was told we are currently storing 350GB of client files.


Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com


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From eric at prioritypress.com  Thu Sep  6 12:47:00 2007
From: eric at prioritypress.com (Eric Mance)
Date: Thu Sep  6 12:47:35 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Backing Up -- AGAIN!
Message-ID: <94f2012b.1c7f0a5.4437091.459a@prioritypress.com>

Stop screwing around with cheap alternative solutions and check out 
www.sonicwall.com

Look at there CDP device. It can now do Box to Box replication so you can have a box at your office and one at home. With a VPN tunnel between you will have a real time back solution. The backup happens whenever a file is changed and will keep up to 15 revisions of the file. It keeps disk capacity to a minimum by only recording the changes to the original file.

This solution is not cheap but works great. Hands Free. Instant Backup.

If you want more info then give me a call. 

Eric Mance
Priority Press
132 Shaker Rd
East Longmeadow, MA 01028
413-525-6111
413-525-2681 fax
www.prioritypress.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:01 PM
To: printowners printowners
Subject: [PrintOwners] Backing Up -- AGAIN!

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

We are still trying to decide on a simple, effective method of  
backing up our client files. Currently we are using some sort of tape  
back up using Retrospect software -- and we have a Quantum Raid 4  
network server (all of this is greek to me! -- just repeating what I  
have been told). The tape is very unreliable and now doesn't even  
want to work at all and I have directed my dtp staff to find  
something better.
I was all excited about the prospect of having the ability to have  
another company log into our system and do a remote backup for us.  
Seemed simple and also solved our problem about off-site copies. But,  
some have said that storing files of this size and quantity is cost  
prohibitive and how do you purge old files to keep your storage needs  
from ballooning enormously each year?
Who knows anything about Network Attached Storage Devices?
robin

p.s. I was told we are currently storing 350GB of client files.


Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com


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From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com  Thu Sep  6 12:50:06 2007
From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake)
Date: Thu Sep  6 12:51:27 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Backing Up -- AGAIN!
In-Reply-To: <194C0B0E-E507-4EA9-B0A2-9A53235460EA@protypeonline.com>
References: <194C0B0E-E507-4EA9-B0A2-9A53235460EA@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAAEjBkts9fQhNuQfWEBoar7IBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>

Robin, I'm just setting up something for backup based on a recommendation
from our franchise headquarters. It isn't technically a backup but more like
a synchronization of data. You have one unit onsite (like a server) and
another offsite (at home) and the data syncs every night via internet. You
can set it up to sync everything or just the files that change. Cost is much
less than tape backup device, tapes & software. It also mirrors each drive
so if one fails, you have a mirrored drive on each unit. Go to
http://www.shop-infrant.com/readynas.htm and choose what you need. The 4
drive units are much faster than the 2 unit (RAID 5 vs 1). I don't know much
more than that but there are others on this list who can probably give you
more technical data based on the info their. I'm going off of a
recommendation from Walter at Franchise Services Inc. Some, but not all,
devices are available (http://www.infrant.com/wheretobuy/unitedstates.php)
for less money. Go with 1G of RAM for the in-store unit, 256 is sufficient
for the at-home one. I'm going with 2 4x400 units and the price is about
$3,000 total. You need to be networked and a fast switch will make things
run quicker. You can also put fonts, etc on that unit so they get saved. 

PS-this stuff is greek to me so don't tell me why this won't work or why
something else is better. I'm going based on 2 people who I trust regarding
this stuff.


Mark Lake
PIP Printing
368 Jefferson Street
Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235
920.743.7370     920.743.4633 Fax
www.pipsturgeonbay.com      
Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com
 
To send a file to us, please use the link below
http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:01 AM
To: printowners printowners
Subject: [PrintOwners] Backing Up -- AGAIN!

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

We are still trying to decide on a simple, effective method of backing up
our client files. Currently we are using some sort of tape back up using
Retrospect software -- and we have a Quantum Raid 4 network server (all of
this is greek to me! -- just repeating what I have been told). The tape is
very unreliable and now doesn't even want to work at all and I have directed
my dtp staff to find something better.
I was all excited about the prospect of having the ability to have another
company log into our system and do a remote backup for us.  
Seemed simple and also solved our problem about off-site copies. But, some
have said that storing files of this size and quantity is cost prohibitive
and how do you purge old files to keep your storage needs from ballooning
enormously each year?
Who knows anything about Network Attached Storage Devices?
robin

p.s. I was told we are currently storing 350GB of client files.


Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com


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From jacemeister at gmail.com  Thu Sep  6 12:53:01 2007
From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean)
Date: Thu Sep  6 12:53:22 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Trade Printer
Message-ID: <de1d94970709060953l5cde3d1cl4fe5a1e91ec550bb@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone here specialize in printing membership directories, or
could you refer me to someone who does?

This is a Chamber of Commerce directory including full-color custom
tabs, spiral binding, etc.

I could do it here but would rather not. It will be spiral bound and
qty is 2000 to 3000.

TIA
-- 
Jace Prejean
Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc
922 Sunset Ave
Houma, LA 70360
Phone 985-868-8273

www.BayouPrinting.com
From DanF at MMSNY.com  Thu Sep  6 13:04:57 2007
From: DanF at MMSNY.com (Dan Flatt)
Date: Thu Sep  6 13:02:09 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
Message-ID: <A496437572132B4F9CE0AD1D591E969DBC5412@corningserver1.mmsny.com>

Sorry about the previous sends.. I have sent this as plain text.

Our sales are up around 7% but if we look closer we find that our largest customers are growing around 24% and our smallest customers are down around 60%. With 500 customers who bought from us this year, the bottom 40% are very soft.  These customers are either buying less or going elsewhere for pricing reasons.  Our breakeven on a sale is around $35 so we raised our minimum invoice to $30 in 2006 and our regular price adjustments  may be chasing price shopper away. We may increase minimums again and refocus our personel on the customers who truly value our product bundle.
 
Our prime customers are manufacturing, financial and non-profits. 
areas of growth include Signs, CD duplication, full color offset, mailing.
 
Our rev is expected to be around 2.6m in 2007. 
We expect owners compensation and net income combined will increase 45% over 2006. 
 
It would be nice to here the rev and the niche that each of you service.
 

Daniel Flatt, M.B.A Syracuse University
vice president and co-owner
Multi Media Services / Sunset Printers 
Cell     607-331-7217   PLEASE TRY TO CONTACT ME ON MY CELL BEFORE CALLING THE OFFICE

Fax     1-877-684-3043 

Office  1-607-936-3186 

www.mmsny.com <http://www.mmsny.com/>  

"You don't make decisions because they are easy.  You don't make decisions because they are cheap.  You don't make decisions because they are popular.  You make decisions because they are right."
Theodore Hessburgh 
president emeritus of the University of Notre Dame 1953-1987 

Other employees cell phone numbers:

Rick Bartholomew                                  (President and co-owner)            607-769-8111

Patty Carlson                                        (On-demand leader)                    607-331-5314

Suzie Bartholomew                                (IR account manager)                 607-331-7068

Ralph Begeal                                         (Special account rep)                 607-331-5572

Emily Coletta                                               (Prepress / design)                     607-331-7708

David Jackson                                       (Finance manager /CSR)            607-331-5422

Rose Flatt                                             (Prepress / design)                     607-331-1555

Dick Shelford                                         (Sunset operations)                    607-331-5775

Judy Pruyne                                          (Prepress / design)                     607-331-5963

Dave Satterly                                         (IR Athens in-plant)                    607-331-6025

Margaret Puffer                                      (Mailing services / On demand)   607-936-3186
From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com  Thu Sep  6 13:10:54 2007
From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry)
Date: Thu Sep  6 13:11:14 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] how's biz
Message-ID: <BAY110-DAV58AE3A6D695F0715DFF41B6C40@phx.gbl>

Sales to date are up 26%.  Profits are up 3 figures, but......

We added a new line to our company:  domain name sales.  It's highly profitable, and fits with our web site business.  Domain names cost us $9 and sell for $2,000.  Sorry.....I use a proprietary system to do this activity and can't share the details.  www.OurDotsForSale.com<http://www.ourdotsforsale.com/>

We have a very narrow printing niche:  the top 20% of all industries in town.  We will print for anyone, but we spend our advertising dollars only on this group of businesses.  

As a result, we have a tiny overhead and only a few hundred regular customers who place high dollar invoice orders.  Last month our sales per person was $324K annualized.  2006 was $275,000 per employee.

We've done this since 1985 upon the suggestion of another printer. It takes time to develop, but that's why I believe in branding so strongly.  

Digital color is our highest growth/profit center, other than domains.  Sales in that area are increasing by 3.78% per month during the past 12 months ending July, 2007.  

Our lowest selling price for a color copy is 20 cents to 600 missionaries worldwide.  They funnel their work to us via their church in Florida.  
We are blessed that they typed in a specific keyword domain name and located us out here in the Desert!

They only represent 6% of our color volume.  The other 94% is sold at an average of 37 cents per click using 3 color machines.

Each machine is different and while one of them cannot print on anything but super smooth stock, another can paint a sheet of Classic Columns cover stock with an 8 X 10 image.

I expect a lot of fancy footwork next year.  The customers we have don't have an interest in doing their work in house.  Over time, that may or may not change, regardless of color printer placements.  So, we have web design and domains for them.  

Maybe one day, I'll wear a 'flasher' jacket full of wrist watches, who knows.

FWIW, we've gone from 6 figures a month sales in March, 1991 down to $20K sales in December of the same year.  Ouch.

Larry 
Desert Pacific Printing
Tucson 





From monty.usa at gmail.com  Thu Sep  6 14:11:25 2007
From: monty.usa at gmail.com (Monty)
Date: Thu Sep  6 14:11:55 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
In-Reply-To: <BEEIIPIOGLPLKIAABOLAGEFNCMAA.mail@myprinter.biz>
References: <54ffb7170709052002x2d0b709fuc44bf8b03724794a@mail.gmail.com>
	<BEEIIPIOGLPLKIAABOLAGEFNCMAA.mail@myprinter.biz>
Message-ID: <54ffb7170709061111n2bf93cf9g373bcd02d0d0a400@mail.gmail.com>

Dan:

That were some great points. I have forwarded them to my attorney.

Thanks
Monty


On 9/6/07, mail@myprinter.biz <mail@myprinter.biz> wrote:
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Monty -
>
> Still not sure what you or your former company is doing that the patent
> holder claims violates their patents.
>
> I browsed both of instabook's patents, and both refer to fairly
> specifically
> delineated automated electronic and mechanical processes and equipment to
> be
> used by "electronic bookstores" to produce books very quickly.
>
> Interestingly, I think it's possible that some of what Instabooks is doing
> IS in violation of the patent(s) that were actually upheld in On Demand
> Machine v. Ingram and Amazon.com, because much of the language about how
> orders might be generated (e.g., web catalog) and very promptly fulfilled
> is
> extremely similar, as is much of the language about the no-inventory
> benefits.
>
> Surely amazon's lawyers know this, but just in case they don't, you might
> consider having your lawyer (or amazon's) inform Instabook's lawyer that
> if
> the infringement suit is further pursued, you'll do whatever you can to
> make
> sure it ends up being against Instabook by On Demand Machine, and that
> since
> amazon, with far deeper pockets than Instabook, actually lost that suit
> (later overturned solely on the narrow grounds that amazon was NOT
> offering
> extremely quick production, as is Instabook), Instabook is very likely to
> be
> the loser.
>
> Instabook's defense in such a patent infringement suit could only be that
> the manufacturing process they use is different from the one envisioned in
> On Demand's patent, but the court didn't find that defense valid in the
> prior suit, and, had they done so, it would be the exact grounds on which
> you'd win the current suit, because the manufacturing processes delineated
> in Instabook's patents are so specific that somebody else doing it
> differently is a cinch (in fact, everybody's been doing it differently for
> as long as prefect-bound books have been produced in any quantity at any
> speed).
>
> The above is sort of a "best you back off and shut up" threat, but it's
> one
> I'd be listening to if I were representing Instabook.
>
> Buena suerte.
>
> Dan
> Sir Speedy Printing Center
> 5845 Hollywood Boulevard
> Hollywood, FL 33021
> t 954.962.1309
> f 954.962.1366
> dan@myprinter.biz
> www.myprinter.biz
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Monty
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:02 PM
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please
> help.
>
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Our wonderful patent office issued the following business process patents.
> *US PATENTS 6012890, 6213703
> *Our tax dollars at work again
> -------------------
>
> On 9/5/07, Bill Huntley <huntleyw@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> >
> > So the process of putting a disc into a computer, opening the file,
> saving
> > the file on the computer for future use and sending the file to a
> printer
> > can be patented ? I have a bro in law that is a patent attorney and I
> have
> > always understood that a patent must present a unique and obvious
> > improvement to be considered. This reproduction process is the natural
> > extension of the growth of technology from multiple sources, not one
> > company's  great idea.  So unless the customer actually demands, in no
> > uncertain terms and in a loud voice or threating missive that you make
> > copies from his file, where's the harm?
> > Bill Huntley
> > Universal Copies
> > Columbia, SC
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Monty" <monty.usa@gmail.com>
> > To: <printowners@printweb.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:57 PM
> > Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
> >
> >
> > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> > >
> > > Hi Printowners:
> > >
> > > We are being sued by the holder of a business process patent on
> > > "Books-on-Demand" or "Printing on Demand".
> > >
> > > A little background so you don't think I am a crackpot. I used to
> > > participate on printowners under my quickprinting company name
> > > Digitz.netAnd I learnt a heck of a lot from you veterans.
> > >
> > > I had co-founded an online publishing company called BookSurge that
> was
> > sold
> > > to Amazon.com. Now, the holder of the faulty patent is defaming and
> > damaging
> > > us saying that we have stolen his "Book-on-demand" and
> > "printing-on-demand"
> > > patents.
> > >
> > > Did any of you use printing on demand or books-on-demand prior to
> > October
> > > 1996. I know it is a long time ago, but if you can remember it would
> be
> > > extremely helpful. Also, when did cluster printing emerge. I can't
> even
> > > remember the name of the company that sold the controller box.
> > >
> > > Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Monty Kohli
> > > 843-324-1296
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > PrintOwners Discussion List
> > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > PrintOwners Discussion List
> > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
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>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>
From mail at myprinter.biz  Thu Sep  6 14:39:14 2007
From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz)
Date: Thu Sep  6 14:39:24 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
In-Reply-To: <54ffb7170709061111n2bf93cf9g373bcd02d0d0a400@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BEEIIPIOGLPLKIAABOLAMEHCCMAA.mail@myprinter.biz>

Monty -

After posting, I realized that because Instabook's already been granted
their patents, the patent office had to have either erred in granting those
patents, because of On Demand's valid prior patent, OR the patent office
found that what Instabook is doing is sufficiently different from On
Demand's patented process that both are valid as protectable property.

If the patent office erred in granting Instabook's patents (i.e., if those
patents actually infringe on On Demand's patents), then Instabook's patents
are invalid, since On Demand's patents supercede Instabook's.

If, in the only other possible alternative, the patent office found that the
two process differ sufficiently that both are patentable, then only their
mutually unique aspects are patentable, and whatever common aspects they
share CANNOT be patentable.

I think that a reasonably good attorney could make that latter point the
problem that Instabook wouldn't be able to solve in their suit against
amazon and you.

Dan
Sir Speedy Printing Center
5845 Hollywood Boulevard
Hollywood, FL 33021
t 954.962.1309
f 954.962.1366
dan@myprinter.biz
www.myprinter.biz








-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Monty
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:11 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please
help.


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Dan:

That were some great points. I have forwarded them to my attorney.

Thanks
Monty


On 9/6/07, mail@myprinter.biz <mail@myprinter.biz> wrote:
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Monty -
>
> Still not sure what you or your former company is doing that the patent
> holder claims violates their patents.
>
> I browsed both of instabook's patents, and both refer to fairly
> specifically
> delineated automated electronic and mechanical processes and equipment to
> be
> used by "electronic bookstores" to produce books very quickly.
>
> Interestingly, I think it's possible that some of what Instabooks is doing
> IS in violation of the patent(s) that were actually upheld in On Demand
> Machine v. Ingram and Amazon.com, because much of the language about how
> orders might be generated (e.g., web catalog) and very promptly fulfilled
> is
> extremely similar, as is much of the language about the no-inventory
> benefits.
>
> Surely amazon's lawyers know this, but just in case they don't, you might
> consider having your lawyer (or amazon's) inform Instabook's lawyer that
> if
> the infringement suit is further pursued, you'll do whatever you can to
> make
> sure it ends up being against Instabook by On Demand Machine, and that
> since
> amazon, with far deeper pockets than Instabook, actually lost that suit
> (later overturned solely on the narrow grounds that amazon was NOT
> offering
> extremely quick production, as is Instabook), Instabook is very likely to
> be
> the loser.
>
> Instabook's defense in such a patent infringement suit could only be that
> the manufacturing process they use is different from the one envisioned in
> On Demand's patent, but the court didn't find that defense valid in the
> prior suit, and, had they done so, it would be the exact grounds on which
> you'd win the current suit, because the manufacturing processes delineated
> in Instabook's patents are so specific that somebody else doing it
> differently is a cinch (in fact, everybody's been doing it differently for
> as long as prefect-bound books have been produced in any quantity at any
> speed).
>
> The above is sort of a "best you back off and shut up" threat, but it's
> one
> I'd be listening to if I were representing Instabook.
>
> Buena suerte.
>
> Dan
> Sir Speedy Printing Center
> 5845 Hollywood Boulevard
> Hollywood, FL 33021
> t 954.962.1309
> f 954.962.1366
> dan@myprinter.biz
> www.myprinter.biz
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Monty
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:02 PM
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please
> help.
>
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Our wonderful patent office issued the following business process patents.
> *US PATENTS 6012890, 6213703
> *Our tax dollars at work again
> -------------------
>
> On 9/5/07, Bill Huntley <huntleyw@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> >
> > So the process of putting a disc into a computer, opening the file,
> saving
> > the file on the computer for future use and sending the file to a
> printer
> > can be patented ? I have a bro in law that is a patent attorney and I
> have
> > always understood that a patent must present a unique and obvious
> > improvement to be considered. This reproduction process is the natural
> > extension of the growth of technology from multiple sources, not one
> > company's  great idea.  So unless the customer actually demands, in no
> > uncertain terms and in a loud voice or threating missive that you make
> > copies from his file, where's the harm?
> > Bill Huntley
> > Universal Copies
> > Columbia, SC
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Monty" <monty.usa@gmail.com>
> > To: <printowners@printweb.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:57 PM
> > Subject: [PrintOwners] "Printing-On-Demand" Patent Lawsuit: Please help.
> >
> >
> > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> > >
> > > Hi Printowners:
> > >
> > > We are being sued by the holder of a business process patent on
> > > "Books-on-Demand" or "Printing on Demand".
> > >
> > > A little background so you don't think I am a crackpot. I used to
> > > participate on printowners under my quickprinting company name
> > > Digitz.netAnd I learnt a heck of a lot from you veterans.
> > >
> > > I had co-founded an online publishing company called BookSurge that
> was
> > sold
> > > to Amazon.com. Now, the holder of the faulty patent is defaming and
> > damaging
> > > us saying that we have stolen his "Book-on-demand" and
> > "printing-on-demand"
> > > patents.
> > >
> > > Did any of you use printing on demand or books-on-demand prior to
> > October
> > > 1996. I know it is a long time ago, but if you can remember it would
> be
> > > extremely helpful. Also, when did cluster printing emerge. I can't
> even
> > > remember the name of the company that sold the controller box.
> > >
> > > Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Monty Kohli
> > > 843-324-1296
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > PrintOwners Discussion List
> > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > PrintOwners Discussion List
> > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> >
> >
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From rstor at copycats.com  Thu Sep  6 14:52:11 2007
From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor)
Date: Thu Sep  6 14:54:14 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
In-Reply-To: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
References: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
Message-ID: <46E04C5B.5020002@copycats.com>

Greg,

As you realize by now, the problem with a survey like this, which is not 
anonymous, is that you will hear primarily from people who are doing 
well. The results will be skewed.

Regards,
Bob Stor
Copycats
New York, NY
212-557-2111 x20
www.copycats.com

Greg Weinfurter wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
>
> By what percent?
>
>
> Greg Weinfurter
> Press Express
> 1869 N. Stevens St.
> Rhinelander, WI 54501
> Phone 715-362-2828
> Fax 715-369-2828
> info@pressexpress.org
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>
>
From andy at CedarBusinessCenter.com  Thu Sep  6 14:56:16 2007
From: andy at CedarBusinessCenter.com (Andy Flamm)
Date: Thu Sep  6 14:56:29 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Backing Up -- AGAIN!
In-Reply-To: <194C0B0E-E507-4EA9-B0A2-9A53235460EA@protypeonline.com>
References: <194C0B0E-E507-4EA9-B0A2-9A53235460EA@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <e413ceeb0709061156j5fadb41r275b41d29cbc61a7@mail.gmail.com>

We use Mozy.com ($4.95/mo for unlimited storage, Mac and PC). It
automatically backs up whatever we want and does it in the background at a
time of our choosing or when the system has been idle for a set period of
time. Restores are easy, too. The only concern I would have is what if the
company goes out of business, but Mozy seems to be a leader in this area,
and the chance that they will fold just before we have a crash seems small
to me. We will probably still archive to DVDs once in a while, but nothing
beats online backup for sheer convenience and off-site security.

Andy

On 9/6/07, Robin Niewold <robin@protypeonline.com> wrote:
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> We are still trying to decide on a simple, effective method of
> backing up our client files. Currently we are using some sort of tape
> back up using Retrospect software -- and we have a Quantum Raid 4
> network server (all of this is greek to me! -- just repeating what I
> have been told). The tape is very unreliable and now doesn't even
> want to work at all and I have directed my dtp staff to find
> something better.
> I was all excited about the prospect of having the ability to have
> another company log into our system and do a remote backup for us.
> Seemed simple and also solved our problem about off-site copies. But,
> some have said that storing files of this size and quantity is cost
> prohibitive and how do you purge old files to keep your storage needs
> from ballooning enormously each year?
> Who knows anything about Network Attached Storage Devices?
> robin
>
> p.s. I was told we are currently storing 350GB of client files.
>
>
> Robin Niewold
> Pro-Type Printing
> 130 N. Market Street
> Paxton, IL 60957
> 217.379.4715
> robin@protypeonline.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>


-- 
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345 Cedar Street, Suite 256
Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101

651-293-3904 voice
651-293-3905 fax

andy@CedarBusinessCenter.com
www.CedarBusinessCenter.com
From afok at minutemanpress.com  Thu Sep  6 20:22:26 2007
From: afok at minutemanpress.com (Anna Fok)
Date: Thu Sep  6 20:23:32 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Vendor for durable round labels 
Message-ID: <46E099C2.2040706@minutemanpress.com>

Hello All,

I am looking for a vendor for round 7/8" labels. I will need 2 lots of 
5000 each. I lot is black, 1 lot is color.  They don't need to be 
weather or water proofed, but should withhold some rough handling, i.e. 
they should be either laminated or have some protective coating.
LabelArt  has something called Outdoor/durable labels. That is a quality 
I am looking for. But their production time + shipping to West coast 
will not work for me. Customer needs labels here by 9/12.

Any advise? Anybody on this list who can do this quickly in house?

I will post this to the other PO list, please forgive me for a double 
posting.

Thank you,

Anna Fok
Minuteman Press - Santa Clara, CA
afok@minutemanpress.com

From robin at protypeonline.com  Fri Sep  7 10:26:44 2007
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Fri Sep  7 10:26:14 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Backing Up -- AGAIN! 
Message-ID: <B037B707-3BE5-45BB-BAC1-1E69BAA4C042@protypeonline.com>

Thom,
I am considering all options but have no idea what an "honest rack  
snap server" is -- I think ours is a snap server -- raid 4 -- mirror  
hard drive???? And a couple years ago Scott guided me on this  
purchase as well as phone support for setup.
So, I'm guessing "rack" concept is bigger, better????? is it in  
addition to what we have? And, the removable hard drives don't seem  
doable with 350GB????
HELP!
robin

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com


From pressexpress at bfm.org  Fri Sep  7 10:33:30 2007
From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Fri Sep  7 10:35:00 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
In-Reply-To: <46E04C5B.5020002@copycats.com>
References: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
	<46E04C5B.5020002@copycats.com>
Message-ID: <34CDA3FA-6302-4129-886D-678B947255D3@bfm.org>

I agree.  It is like listening to the people that play slots at a  
casino.  You only seem to hear about the nights they pop the machine  
for a few hundred dollars that they took home, not the amount of  
money they invested over time.

I tip my hat to those that were honest.  With many small shops  
struggling, and franchise shops declining, I see a pattern.

Thanks for the feedback.

Greg



On Sep 6, 2007, at 1:52 PM, Robert Stor wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Greg,
>
> As you realize by now, the problem with a survey like this, which  
> is not anonymous, is that you will hear primarily from people who  
> are doing well. The results will be skewed.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Stor
> Copycats
> New York, NY
> 212-557-2111 x20
> www.copycats.com
>
> Greg Weinfurter wrote:
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
>>
>> By what percent?
>>
>>
>> Greg Weinfurter
>> Press Express
>> 1869 N. Stevens St.
>> Rhinelander, WI 54501
>> Phone 715-362-2828
>> Fax 715-369-2828
>> info@pressexpress.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> PrintOwners Discussion List
>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>>
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners

Greg Weinfurter
Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org




From pressexpress at bfm.org  Fri Sep  7 11:03:55 2007
From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Fri Sep  7 11:05:45 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Vendor for durable round labels
In-Reply-To: <46E099C2.2040706@minutemanpress.com>
References: <46E099C2.2040706@minutemanpress.com>
Message-ID: <E37CC321-AF0E-4076-B70A-EA0A0021F25A@bfm.org>

Discount labels???

Greg
On Sep 6, 2007, at 7:22 PM, Anna Fok wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Hello All,
>
> I am looking for a vendor for round 7/8" labels. I will need 2 lots  
> of 5000 each. I lot is black, 1 lot is color.  They don't need to  
> be weather or water proofed, but should withhold some rough  
> handling, i.e. they should be either laminated or have some  
> protective coating.
> LabelArt  has something called Outdoor/durable labels. That is a  
> quality I am looking for. But their production time + shipping to  
> West coast will not work for me. Customer needs labels here by 9/12.
>
> Any advise? Anybody on this list who can do this quickly in house?
>
> I will post this to the other PO list, please forgive me for a  
> double posting.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Anna Fok
> Minuteman Press - Santa Clara, CA
> afok@minutemanpress.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners

Greg Weinfurter
Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org




From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Fri Sep  7 11:28:14 2007
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Fri Sep  7 11:28:49 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
Message-ID: <c60.1a08ff00.3412c80e@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 9/6/2007 2:56:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
rstor@copycats.com writes:

Greg,

As you realize by now, the problem with a survey like  this, which is not 
anonymous, is that you will hear primarily from people  who are doing 
well. The results will be  skewed.



Bob,
 
I appreciate the efforts of Greg and others when they conduct surveys such  
as this, but I agree with you that the results will naturally be distorted due  
to the lack of anonymity provided or available.
 
Interestingly enough, I have always been amazed at the candid and revealing  
data we receive every two years when we conduct the Industry Operating Ratio  
Study. We guarantee 100% anonymity to participants and no one at the 
sponsoring  organization or anyone else for that matter sees the data. Once the 
business  cards are entered into our system for mailing purposes, the cards and the  
original survey forms received are destroyed. We enter a code  number on each 
survey form that allows us, after the data is scanned,  captured and entered 
into our database, to go back and check an original survey  form if a number 
seems screwy or as a huge outlier. Most times, it is a question  of improper 
decimal points or something like that.
 
We frequently use a somewhat complex formula (which of course I can't  
explain <g>) to automatically calculate the margin of error for almost any  question 
as well as for the entire survey results, and that margin is typically  in 
the 2.5 -3.5% percent range which is pretty good considering we are dealing  
with about 240 participants. Even though the participation level is smaller than  
we would like or what we used to get in the "good old days" you can still 
obtain  some very accurate statistics even from a relatively small sampling, once 
you  calculate the standard deviation.
 
Aside from the statistical analysis, a common sense look at the data we  
present pretty much confirms in my mind that we are getting some very honest  
answers. When you look at the top and bottom quartile levels in terms of net  
owner's compensation you find some pretty fascinating data. 
 
While the top 25% of participants report an OC of 23% on average sales of  
$973,827, the bottom 25% report an average OC of only 4.25% on average sales of  
$1,158,000. That means that 25% of our participants averaged 4.25% in owner's 
 comp.... meaning also that profitability in that bottom quartile actually 
ranged  from real negative numbers up to about 6.5%!  That means that there are  
owners out there with sales in the $1 million range who are taking out less 
than  $50,000. In some cases, it is way lower than that.
 
You could easily understand the participation of those doing very well  
participating in these studies, but you have to wonder about those at the  bottom. 
Some may not know they are doing as poorly as they are, but I have to  assume 
many others do know and participate because they are looking for answers  and 
I do think these types of studies do offer some helpful tips.
 
By the way, as a general rule of thumb, according to the formulas Larry and  
I developed for valuing printing businesses, if owner's compensation is less  
than 10% it is incapable of producing "excess earnings" and thus it may have  
little if any value to a prospective buyer, other than the current real  
market value of the equipment.
 
Anyway, just some random thoughts on surveying.

John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)   

by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 

2110 S. Dairy  Road
West Melbourne, FL 32904
321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
Cell:  321-794-6259
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
"Winners  analyze, losers rationalize."



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From robin at protypeonline.com  Fri Sep  7 12:29:36 2007
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Fri Sep  7 12:29:01 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Backing Up -- AGAIN! 
Message-ID: <9A6E537A-1F36-48AE-83B1-80BC9ACBCCC1@protypeonline.com>

Andy,
I checked out this remote backup system from mozy.com and with our  
current storage needs, I would pay up to $250/month or $3000 year!  
This seems a bit pricey for an annual fee.
robin

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com


From rstor at copycats.com  Fri Sep  7 12:32:50 2007
From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor)
Date: Fri Sep  7 12:34:52 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
In-Reply-To: <c60.1a08ff00.3412c80e@aol.com>
References: <c60.1a08ff00.3412c80e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <46E17D32.9090806@copycats.com>

John,

I just got your book, so I'll be looking at the "excess earnings" 
concept soon. Interestingly, we have been approached by potential 
buyers, but they were always talking about multiples of owner's comp.

I am surprised that you have not created an on-line form for the 
surveys. I would expect that the convenience would increase 
participation and that you would save input time and decrease errors.

As an incentive, you could offer an on-line comparison of the 
participant's numbers vs the whole database with just a click.

It would require some software development work, but this might be 
defrayed be the cost savings and by the ability to conduct (and sell) 
more frequent surveys.

Regards,
Bob Stor
Copycats
New York, NY
212-557-2111 x20
www.copycats.com

QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>  
>  
> In a message dated 9/6/2007 2:56:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> rstor@copycats.com writes:
>
> Greg,
>
> As you realize by now, the problem with a survey like  this, which is not 
> anonymous, is that you will hear primarily from people  who are doing 
> well. The results will be  skewed.
>
>
>
> Bob,
>  
> I appreciate the efforts of Greg and others when they conduct surveys such  
> as this, but I agree with you that the results will naturally be distorted due  
> to the lack of anonymity provided or available.
>  
> Interestingly enough, I have always been amazed at the candid and revealing  
> data we receive every two years when we conduct the Industry Operating Ratio  
> Study. We guarantee 100% anonymity to participants and no one at the 
> sponsoring  organization or anyone else for that matter sees the data. Once the 
> business  cards are entered into our system for mailing purposes, the cards and the  
> original survey forms received are destroyed. We enter a code  number on each 
> survey form that allows us, after the data is scanned,  captured and entered 
> into our database, to go back and check an original survey  form if a number 
> seems screwy or as a huge outlier. Most times, it is a question  of improper 
> decimal points or something like that.
>  
> We frequently use a somewhat complex formula (which of course I can't  
> explain <g>) to automatically calculate the margin of error for almost any  question 
> as well as for the entire survey results, and that margin is typically  in 
> the 2.5 -3.5% percent range which is pretty good considering we are dealing  
> with about 240 participants. Even though the participation level is smaller than  
> we would like or what we used to get in the "good old days" you can still 
> obtain  some very accurate statistics even from a relatively small sampling, once 
> you  calculate the standard deviation.
>  
> Aside from the statistical analysis, a common sense look at the data we  
> present pretty much confirms in my mind that we are getting some very honest  
> answers. When you look at the top and bottom quartile levels in terms of net  
> owner's compensation you find some pretty fascinating data. 
>  
> While the top 25% of participants report an OC of 23% on average sales of  
> $973,827, the bottom 25% report an average OC of only 4.25% on average sales of  
> $1,158,000. That means that 25% of our participants averaged 4.25% in owner's 
>  comp.... meaning also that profitability in that bottom quartile actually 
> ranged  from real negative numbers up to about 6.5%!  That means that there are  
> owners out there with sales in the $1 million range who are taking out less 
> than  $50,000. In some cases, it is way lower than that.
>  
> You could easily understand the participation of those doing very well  
> participating in these studies, but you have to wonder about those at the  bottom. 
> Some may not know they are doing as poorly as they are, but I have to  assume 
> many others do know and participate because they are looking for answers  and 
> I do think these types of studies do offer some helpful tips.
>  
> By the way, as a general rule of thumb, according to the formulas Larry and  
> I developed for valuing printing businesses, if owner's compensation is less  
> than 10% it is incapable of producing "excess earnings" and thus it may have  
> little if any value to a prospective buyer, other than the current real  
> market value of the equipment.
>  
> Anyway, just some random thoughts on surveying.
>
> John  Stewart
> Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
> Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)   
>
> by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 
>
> 2110 S. Dairy  Road
> West Melbourne, FL 32904
> 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
> Cell:  321-794-6259
> _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
> "Winners  analyze, losers rationalize."
>
>
>
> ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at 
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>
>
>   
From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Fri Sep  7 12:52:27 2007
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Fri Sep  7 12:51:38 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Backing Up -- AGAIN! 
In-Reply-To: <9A6E537A-1F36-48AE-83B1-80BC9ACBCCC1@protypeonline.com>
References: <9A6E537A-1F36-48AE-83B1-80BC9ACBCCC1@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <C8E3696D-E91E-4696-AD27-ED215793C20F@falconprintandcopy.com>

I'll throw my two cents in here, for whatever its worth,  but  
especially for 350 GB, I'd say just buy an external hard drive, and  
ever week or two bring it in, back everything up on it, and take it  
home so its safe.  You can get 1 TB one with redundant drives, so if  
your shop blows up, and one drive on the external fails, it will  
still have everything backed up on another drive.  I don't think it  
will cost you more than a G, and its a one-time cost.  Well, until  
you get more than 1 TB of data.

Regards,

Borzou


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On Sep 7, 2007, at 12:29 PM, Robin Niewold wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Andy,
> I checked out this remote backup system from mozy.com and with our  
> current storage needs, I would pay up to $250/month or $3000 year!  
> This seems a bit pricey for an annual fee.
> robin
>
> Robin Niewold
> Pro-Type Printing
> 130 N. Market Street
> Paxton, IL 60957
> 217.379.4715
> robin@protypeonline.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>

From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Fri Sep  7 13:30:54 2007
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Fri Sep  7 13:31:23 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
Message-ID: <ca0.1b21d5bd.3412e4ce@aol.com>

In a message dated 9/7/2007 12:37:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
rstor@copycats.com writes:

we have  been approached by potential 
buyers, but they were always talking about  multiples of owner's comp.
Bob, the above approach is not uncommon, and if the multiple used is a bit  
lower the valuation could end up resulting in the same valuation as  the 
"excess earnings" approach used in our book. The method that we use for  determining 
a multiplier is far more scientific and can be  calculated/estimated within a 
.1 - .3 variation in multipliers, whether  performed by the buyer or the 
seller. We developed a special questionnaire with  14 variously weighted questions 
that an owner/buyer applies to the firm in  question. The resulting average 
to the questions produces the multiplier.
 
The "excess earnings" approach noted in the book is somewhat  different than 
owner's comp. approach in that it assumes a buyer/investor is and  should be 
entitled to at least a living wage plus fringes (which we spell out)  and that 
the business needs to generate profits above and beyond that level  in order 
to have any real value. Otherwise, the owner has just bought himself a  job.




I am surprised that you have not created an on-line form for  the 
surveys. I would expect that the convenience would increase  
participation and that you would save input time and decrease  errors.
We have tried the online approach once in the past but with such a  
relatively large number of questions and the inability with most survey programs  to 
display more than 2-3 questions at a time we have encountered many  problems.... 
the biggest problem with detailed questionnaires on line,  especially those 
requiring numerical answers is that many folks get frustrated  not knowing how 
many questions are left, etc. and then just getting bored  and dropping out 
before they are finished. That is a major problem. With  the right kind of 
programming I am sure some of these challenges could  be resolved, but I sure can't 
afford programmers to do this.


As an incentive, you could offer an on-line comparison of the  
participant's numbers vs the whole database with just a click.
I do like this idea and I have thought how we could create incentives  for 
folks by offering a more direct comparison with other companies  identical in 
size to their own.
 
I also like the idea of offering some type of abbreviated analysis where  
owners would only have to fill-in key numbers and their results would pop up on  
screen next to the national averages, as well as top and bottom quartiles.



My greatest frustrations over the years is the decline in overall  
participation. In all the years of doing studies, I do not recall one instance  where 
someone returned a survey and said they didn't like it, or see value in  it. If 
I was able to sit down on a one on one basis with an owner I believe I  could 
convince at least 80% of them that there is real value in these studies,  but 
of course time just doesn't allow me to do that. Plus, I would be the wrong  
person to do that since for many years I had a vested interest in selling the  
studies. That is no longer the case. I have no vested interest or connection  
with the sale of these studies. All studies are sold directly through 
NAPL/NAQP,  which may or may not be the best way to go. I suspect that because of the 
large  number of publications sold through NAPL that our own studies may get 
even less  attention and publicity than in the past. 
 
Thanks for the input. 

John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)   

by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 

2110 S. Dairy  Road
West Melbourne, FL 32904
321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
Cell:  321-794-6259
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
"Winners  analyze, losers rationalize."



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From pressexpress at bfm.org  Fri Sep  7 13:35:15 2007
From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Fri Sep  7 13:36:39 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
In-Reply-To: <c60.1a08ff00.3412c80e@aol.com>
References: <c60.1a08ff00.3412c80e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F43790DC-B72F-49E6-BDD6-6EAFCEF8A2BB@bfm.org>

John, thank you for that honest feedback.   Surveys are best left to  
the pro's.

Greg

On Sep 7, 2007, at 10:28 AM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/6/2007 2:56:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> rstor@copycats.com writes:
>
> Greg,
>
> As you realize by now, the problem with a survey like  this, which  
> is not
> anonymous, is that you will hear primarily from people  who are doing
> well. The results will be  skewed.
>
>
>
> Bob,
>
> I appreciate the efforts of Greg and others when they conduct  
> surveys such
> as this, but I agree with you that the results will naturally be  
> distorted due
> to the lack of anonymity provided or available.
>
> Interestingly enough, I have always been amazed at the candid and  
> revealing
> data we receive every two years when we conduct the Industry  
> Operating Ratio
> Study. We guarantee 100% anonymity to participants and no one at the
> sponsoring  organization or anyone else for that matter sees the  
> data. Once the
> business  cards are entered into our system for mailing purposes,  
> the cards and the
> original survey forms received are destroyed. We enter a code   
> number on each
> survey form that allows us, after the data is scanned,  captured  
> and entered
> into our database, to go back and check an original survey  form if  
> a number
> seems screwy or as a huge outlier. Most times, it is a question  of  
> improper
> decimal points or something like that.
>
> We frequently use a somewhat complex formula (which of course I can't
> explain <g>) to automatically calculate the margin of error for  
> almost any  question
> as well as for the entire survey results, and that margin is  
> typically  in
> the 2.5 -3.5% percent range which is pretty good considering we are  
> dealing
> with about 240 participants. Even though the participation level is  
> smaller than
> we would like or what we used to get in the "good old days" you can  
> still
> obtain  some very accurate statistics even from a relatively small  
> sampling, once
> you  calculate the standard deviation.
>
> Aside from the statistical analysis, a common sense look at the  
> data we
> present pretty much confirms in my mind that we are getting some  
> very honest
> answers. When you look at the top and bottom quartile levels in  
> terms of net
> owner's compensation you find some pretty fascinating data.
>
> While the top 25% of participants report an OC of 23% on average  
> sales of
> $973,827, the bottom 25% report an average OC of only 4.25% on  
> average sales of
> $1,158,000. That means that 25% of our participants averaged 4.25%  
> in owner's
>  comp.... meaning also that profitability in that bottom quartile  
> actually
> ranged  from real negative numbers up to about 6.5%!  That means  
> that there are
> owners out there with sales in the $1 million range who are taking  
> out less
> than  $50,000. In some cases, it is way lower than that.
>
> You could easily understand the participation of those doing very well
> participating in these studies, but you have to wonder about those  
> at the  bottom.
> Some may not know they are doing as poorly as they are, but I have  
> to  assume
> many others do know and participate because they are looking for  
> answers  and
> I do think these types of studies do offer some helpful tips.
>
> By the way, as a general rule of thumb, according to the formulas  
> Larry and
> I developed for valuing printing businesses, if owner's  
> compensation is less
> than 10% it is incapable of producing "excess earnings" and thus it  
> may have
> little if any value to a prospective buyer, other than the current  
> real
> market value of the equipment.
>
> Anyway, just some random thoughts on surveying.
>
> John  Stewart
> Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
> Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http:// 
> www.printshopsforsale.net/)
>
> by Larry Hunt & John Stewart
>
> 2110 S. Dairy  Road
> West Melbourne, FL 32904
> 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
> Cell:  321-794-6259
> _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/)
> "Winners  analyze, losers rationalize."
>
>
>
> ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all- 
> new AOL at
> http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
> _______________________________________________
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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Greg Weinfurter
Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org




From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Fri Sep  7 13:57:22 2007
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Fri Sep  7 13:57:42 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
Message-ID: <bd9.1a5e1c54.3412eb02@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 9/7/2007 1:38:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
pressexpress@bfm.org writes:

John,  thank you for that honest feedback.   Surveys are best left to   
the pro's.



I don't consider myself a pro either, just an experienced amateur!  Hell, you 
should have seen the correspondence I had with this professor I hired  from 
Connecticut to analyze some of our survey data... he said our  stuff was so 
simple to calculate that he didn't want to charge me! I insisted on  paying him. 
I have this letter pinned to my bulletin board with his formulas....  Then, 
when I am finished with the excel spreadsheets, I just add his formula in  
another row to calculate the margin or error... 
 
One of the interesting things I do with some of our studies is I set up a  
row to calculate the difference between the average and the median for every  
single question. When there is a difference of more than say 5% between the two  
(aver. vs. median), I set up conditional formatting to make that cell appear 
in  RED and then I go through the tedious task on scanning that column, top to 
 bottom to find the "weird" outliers, etc. I will not change or delete a 
number  unless I know it to be incorrectly entered or a decimal point has been 
left out.  The recent Wage and Benefits Study was amazing in the consistency of 
the data  and I had very few numbers that had to be checked , changed or 
corrected.
 
I also use a unique but little known feature of Excel called Advanced  
Filtering which is not to be confused with Filtering. I'll bet 98% of Excel  users 
have never used it, and it is poorly explained in most books. However, it  
allows you to take a massive block of data (say 46,000+ cells) and set up a  
criteria row where you can apply whatever selection and sorting criteria you  want. 
Then Excel finds all the companies that match that criteria and then puts  
the data somewhere else... in my case, it is below the raw data. And it is that  
sorted data where I draw my statistics from.
 
More than you wanted to know, I am sure! <G>

John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)   

by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 

2110 S. Dairy  Road
West Melbourne, FL 32904
321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
Cell:  321-794-6259
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
"Winners  analyze, losers rationalize."



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From ssheers at sheergraphics.com  Fri Sep  7 15:05:57 2007
From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers)
Date: Fri Sep  7 15:00:56 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
In-Reply-To: <20070907175744.6F38EB49876@rb.enter.net>
References: <20070907175744.6F38EB49876@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <8a6ba4ed65221d93c52ea458263582f0@sheergraphics.com>

The printed survey form is much, much easier to handle than constant 
scrolling, clicking, forward arrows, backward arrows, job and estimate 
windows, books of account, summaries et cetera.

Give me a printed form I can pick up, place aside temporarily, make 
pencil entries for later permanence, and look at whilst using a 23" 
screen to navigate to the data needed.

We take a lot of online orders, but only through picking up the 
ph...ph...ph... phone do we learn what online forms mislead or give 
users problems. Online is not the total answer - that's why so many 
books are sold online and why so much paper is consumed printing out 
online information in the 'paperless office'.


> I am surprised that you have not created an on-line form for  the
> surveys......

> We have tried the online approach once in the past..... and the 
> inability with most survey programs to
> display more than 2-3 questions at a time......John Stewart


Please reply to Simon Sheers at:
<ssheers@sheergraphics.com>

Sheer Graphics Inc.
47 Chestnut Avenue,
Westmont, IL 60559-1127
Tel: (630) 654-4422
<http://www.sheergraphics.com>
Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more
From John at mpcny.com  Fri Sep  7 15:26:11 2007
From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry)
Date: Fri Sep  7 15:26:35 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need old Beige G3
Message-ID: <001401c7f184$f31d9dd0$d958d970$@com>

I need to old beige G3 with Scsi built in. It drives my old image setter and
died. Anyone got a box collecting dust?

John M. Henry
Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
125-129 East First Street
Oswego, New York 13126
(315) 343-3531
(315) 343-3577 Fax
www.mpcny.com
John@mpcny.com
We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider
Microsoft Publisher Service Provider
 We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and
Standard 
Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to 
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From doug at vipprinting.com  Fri Sep  7 15:34:50 2007
From: doug at vipprinting.com (Douglas W. Rinnert)
Date: Fri Sep  7 15:37:59 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need old Beige G3
In-Reply-To: <001401c7f184$f31d9dd0$d958d970$@com>
References: <001401c7f184$f31d9dd0$d958d970$@com>
Message-ID: <p06240809c307581ddf2d@[24.172.131.241]>

John,

Try looking on e-bay.

Doug

Doug Rinnert
V.I.P. Printing & Design
9862 Crescent Park Drive
West Chester, Ohio 45069
513.777.7468 office
513.777.7459 fax
-- 
Doug Rinnert
V.I.P. Printing & Design
9862 Crescent Park Drive
West Chester, Ohio 45069
513.777.7468 office
513.777.7459 fax
513.623.6907 cell
From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Fri Sep  7 15:42:12 2007
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Fri Sep  7 15:42:26 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need old Beige G3
In-Reply-To: <001401c7f184$f31d9dd0$d958d970$@com>
References: <001401c7f184$f31d9dd0$d958d970$@com>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0709071242x51121039u25c408243540467a@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/7/07, John Henry <John@mpcny.com> wrote:
>
> I need to old beige G3 with Scsi built in. It drives my old image setter and
> died. Anyone got a box collecting dust?


Could you use 2 old beige Classics? One has a very nice wooden case
with hinged front doors. That would make it a banner year for emptying
my old-computers-collecting-dust-box; I got someone to take an old
IIci recently!

-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com

====================================
Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
                                                     ~ Lord Bacon
From tufelkinder at gmail.com  Fri Sep  7 15:43:23 2007
From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt)
Date: Fri Sep  7 15:43:43 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need old Beige G3
In-Reply-To: <p06240809c307581ddf2d@24.172.131.241>
References: <001401c7f184$f31d9dd0$d958d970$@com>
	<p06240809c307581ddf2d@24.172.131.241>
Message-ID: <84f70d5e0709071243wf50a94as5937a8d7c9810b61@mail.gmail.com>

John,

You can typically just add a PCI SCSI card to
most newer macs (just make sure it's a card
that will fit in your specific mac!); do you need
the whole system to be older, or just to support
SCSI?

Walt

Mercersburg Printing
Mercersburg, PA
http://mercersburg.net
tufelkinder@gmail.com
800-955-3902

-~

    Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so.
                                     -- Bertrand Russell
From printer at ptialaska.net  Fri Sep  7 16:12:33 2007
From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln)
Date: Fri Sep  7 16:12:49 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need old Beige G3
In-Reply-To: <001401c7f184$f31d9dd0$d958d970$@com>
References: <001401c7f184$f31d9dd0$d958d970$@com>
Message-ID: <D315E3AF-69BD-4B86-8294-605F78378DA9@ptialaska.net>


On Sep 7, 2007, at 11:26 AM, John Henry wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I need to old beige G3 with Scsi built in. It drives my old image  
> setter and
> died. Anyone got a box collecting dust?


REPLY:
You can get scsi cards for new macs...

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

Charles Lincoln
ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
612 30th Avenue
Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
(907) 451-1111
fax (907) 451-4511

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

From bill at mauiprintworks.com  Fri Sep  7 16:22:19 2007
From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works)
Date: Fri Sep  7 16:22:36 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need old Beige G3
In-Reply-To: <001401c7f184$f31d9dd0$d958d970$@com>
References: <001401c7f184$f31d9dd0$d958d970$@com>
Message-ID: <3b28bed780ad580ebbd11324d7cb16ce@mauiprintworks.com>

I think we have one at home in the corner of the garage, I'll check 
this weekend.

Bill Marsh	
Maui Print Works
70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793
(808)242-6634      Fax (808)242-8967
bill@mauiprintworks.com      www. mauiprintworks.com

On Sep 7, 2007, at 9:26 AM, John Henry wrote:
> I need to old beige G3 with Scsi built in. It drives my old image 
> setter and
> died. Anyone got a box collecting dust?
>
> John M. Henry
> Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
> 125-129 East First Street
> Oswego, New York 13126
> (315) 343-3531
> (315) 343-3577 Fax
> www.mpcny.com
> John@mpcny.com

From hal at pickimp.com  Fri Sep  7 16:24:26 2007
From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt)
Date: Fri Sep  7 16:24:01 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need old Beige G3
References: <001401c7f184$f31d9dd0$d958d970$@com>
	<D315E3AF-69BD-4B86-8294-605F78378DA9@ptialaska.net>
Message-ID: <002c01c7f18d$18141300$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net>

I never did get it, why won't a gray machine work?
In the PC world it's the processor, not the cabinet color.

duh

Hal Wendt
IMP Printing & Graphics Design
Southgate, Michigan USA



From russ at mobile-print.com  Fri Sep  7 17:34:34 2007
From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters)
Date: Fri Sep  7 16:35:50 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] CD cases
In-Reply-To: <1AC54E68-A7A1-4304-B2FE-479173E4A9BA@falconprintandcopy.com>
References: <20070906.071311.692.0.braddpotter@juno.com>	<06203485-3122-4252-93BD-374BB5CD8FDD@printzilla.net>	<C926879B-686A-4C65-859F-93B6A9B5AD43@falconprintandcopy.com>
	<1AC54E68-A7A1-4304-B2FE-479173E4A9BA@falconprintandcopy.com>
Message-ID: <46E1C3EA.4010003@mobile-print.com>

I believe that Marketing IV can make them.


      *398 W Wrightwood Ave*
      *Elmhurst*, *IL* *, 60126-1002*  
      *Phone:* 630-832-1820
      *FAX:* 630-832-4778




Russ Peters
MOBILE PRINT, INC.
201 W. Central Road
Mount Prospect, IL 60056
Phone: 847-398-6155
Fax: 847-398-0788



Borzou Azabdaftari wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>   
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I need a self-enclosed CD case.  A piece printed on cover, and folded 
> into a small pocket to slide the CD into.  Like the one all the free 
> AOL cds used to come in.  Can anyone recommend a vendor for this?
>
> Regards,
>
> Borzou
>
>
>
> www.falconprintandcopy.com
> t.703.442.0124
> f.703.442.0134
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From kellycrom at gmail.com  Fri Sep  7 16:39:50 2007
From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics)
Date: Fri Sep  7 16:38:35 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need old Beige G3
In-Reply-To: <001401c7f184$f31d9dd0$d958d970$@com>
References: <001401c7f184$f31d9dd0$d958d970$@com>
Message-ID: <03c801c7f18f$3ef242b0$6d01a8c0@KELLY>

John,

I might still have one in the warehouse. I'm in Chicago now, but I'll check
when I get back next Wed.(if you don't find one sooner)

Kelly Crom
Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.

We've Moved!!!
2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
Plymouth, MN  55441
New Phone:  (763)231-6970
kellycrom@gmail.com
www.applied-graphics.com 

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org 
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:26 PM
> To: printowners@printweb.org
> Subject: [PrintOwners] Need old Beige G3
> Importance: High
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> I need to old beige G3 with Scsi built in. It drives my old 
> image setter and
> died. Anyone got a box collecting dust?
> 
> John M. Henry
> Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
> 125-129 East First Street
> Oswego, New York 13126
> (315) 343-3531
> (315) 343-3577 Fax
> www.mpcny.com
> John@mpcny.com
> We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider
> Microsoft Publisher Service Provider
>  We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for 
> First, Second and
> Standard 
> Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to 
> mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!!
> 
>  
> 
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From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep  7 16:57:48 2007
From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis)
Date: Fri Sep  7 16:58:02 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need old Beige G3
In-Reply-To: <002c01c7f18d$18141300$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net>
References: <001401c7f184$f31d9dd0$d958d970$@com>
	<D315E3AF-69BD-4B86-8294-605F78378DA9@ptialaska.net>
	<002c01c7f18d$18141300$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <F824304A-B1B3-489C-85F1-E083639E12F5@bellsouth.net>

Hal,

You are in the wrong world.
The PC world is kind of B&W, not just the PC's, but the world they  
live in.
In the Mac world, there is lots of color. So we have to coordinate  
the cabinet colors with the environment. A gray machine just won't  
cut it!

Just pulling your chain! I use both. At the office the Macs outnumber  
the PCs 6 to 3. At home, my Mac is outnumbered 3 to 1.....

Ben Travis

Copy Express
4004-A South Blvd.
Charlotte, NC 20209
cpyxpres@bellsouth.net
704-527-1750

On Sep 7, 2007, at 4:24 PM, Hal Wendt wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I never did get it, why won't a gray machine work?
> In the PC world it's the processor, not the cabinet color.
>
> duh
>
> Hal Wendt
> IMP Printing & Graphics Design
> Southgate, Michigan USA
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners





From tufelkinder at gmail.com  Fri Sep  7 17:07:41 2007
From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt)
Date: Fri Sep  7 17:08:00 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need old Beige G3
In-Reply-To: <F824304A-B1B3-489C-85F1-E083639E12F5@bellsouth.net>
References: <001401c7f184$f31d9dd0$d958d970$@com>
	<D315E3AF-69BD-4B86-8294-605F78378DA9@ptialaska.net>
	<002c01c7f18d$18141300$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net>
	<F824304A-B1B3-489C-85F1-E083639E12F5@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <84f70d5e0709071407w70b9bfc4r2532b4ddd6e50925@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/7/07, Ben Travis <cpyxpres@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> The PC world is kind of B&W, not just the PC's, but the world they
> live in.

I think your PCs just lead boring lives. :-) They can
be much more interesting...

http://www.apevia.com/product.php?pid=64


Walt

Mercersburg Printing
Mercersburg, PA
http://mercersburg.net
800-955-3902
tufelkinder@gmail.com

-~

    Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so.
                                     -- Bertrand Russell
From andy at CedarBusinessCenter.com  Fri Sep  7 17:12:57 2007
From: andy at CedarBusinessCenter.com (Andy Flamm)
Date: Fri Sep  7 17:13:12 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Backing Up -- AGAIN!
In-Reply-To: <9A6E537A-1F36-48AE-83B1-80BC9ACBCCC1@protypeonline.com>
References: <9A6E537A-1F36-48AE-83B1-80BC9ACBCCC1@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <e413ceeb0709071412p4bb92f65p5ad78e0fc7abcb3a@mail.gmail.com>

Huh. Maybe I'm using the "personal" version and you (appropriately) inquired
about the "professional" version, or whatever they call it. Well, good luck,
whatever you do.

Andy

On 9/7/07, Robin Niewold <robin@protypeonline.com> wrote:
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Andy,
> I checked out this remote backup system from mozy.com and with our
> current storage needs, I would pay up to $250/month or $3000 year!
> This seems a bit pricey for an annual fee.
> robin
>
> Robin Niewold
> Pro-Type Printing
> 130 N. Market Street
> Paxton, IL 60957
> 217.379.4715
> robin@protypeonline.com
>
>
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>


-- 
Cedar Business Center--Printing, Mailing & More Since 1983
345 Cedar Street, Suite 256
Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101

651-293-3904 voice
651-293-3905 fax

andy@CedarBusinessCenter.com
www.CedarBusinessCenter.com
From andy at CedarBusinessCenter.com  Fri Sep  7 17:15:57 2007
From: andy at CedarBusinessCenter.com (Andy Flamm)
Date: Fri Sep  7 17:16:13 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need old Beige G3
In-Reply-To: <001401c7f184$f31d9dd0$d958d970$@com>
References: <001401c7f184$f31d9dd0$d958d970$@com>
Message-ID: <e413ceeb0709071415w35190d67o3697ba6117d86eca@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, I have one I'd love to get rid of. Also a Scanmaker E6 with SCSI cable.
Let me know if you are interested and what else you need to know. Thanks.

Andy Flamm
-- 
Cedar Business Center--Printing, Mailing & More Since 1983
345 Cedar Street, Suite 256
Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101

651-293-3904 voice
651-293-3905 fax

andy@CedarBusinessCenter.com
www.CedarBusinessCenter.com

On 9/7/07, John Henry <John@mpcny.com> wrote:
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I need to old beige G3 with Scsi built in. It drives my old image setter
> and
> died. Anyone got a box collecting dust?
>
> John M. Henry
> Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
> 125-129 East First Street
> Oswego, New York 13126
> (315) 343-3531
> (315) 343-3577 Fax
> www.mpcny.com
> John@mpcny.com
> We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider
> Microsoft Publisher Service Provider
> We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and
> Standard
> Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to
> mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!!
>
>
>
>
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007
> 3:18 PM
>
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>
From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep  7 17:29:20 2007
From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis)
Date: Fri Sep  7 17:29:42 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need old Beige G3
In-Reply-To: <84f70d5e0709071407w70b9bfc4r2532b4ddd6e50925@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001401c7f184$f31d9dd0$d958d970$@com>
	<D315E3AF-69BD-4B86-8294-605F78378DA9@ptialaska.net>
	<002c01c7f18d$18141300$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net>
	<F824304A-B1B3-489C-85F1-E083639E12F5@bellsouth.net>
	<84f70d5e0709071407w70b9bfc4r2532b4ddd6e50925@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <71B5387C-3EF5-4F46-9880-E9961CD27D59@bellsouth.net>

That is a Cool PC!

I stand corrected...

Ben Travis

Copy Express
4004-A South Blvd.
Charlotte, NC 20209
cpyxpres@bellsouth.net
704-527-1750

On Sep 7, 2007, at 5:07 PM, Walt wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> On 9/7/07, Ben Travis <cpyxpres@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> The PC world is kind of B&W, not just the PC's, but the world they
>> live in.
>
> I think your PCs just lead boring lives. :-) They can
> be much more interesting...
>
> http://www.apevia.com/product.php?pid=64
>
>
> Walt
>
> Mercersburg Printing
> Mercersburg, PA
> http://mercersburg.net
> 800-955-3902
> tufelkinder@gmail.com
>
> -~
>
>     Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so.
>                                      -- Bertrand Russell
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners




From robin at protypeonline.com  Fri Sep  7 18:17:48 2007
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Fri Sep  7 18:17:18 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Backing Up -- AGAIN! 
Message-ID: <BE9E759B-02E5-45E8-9D69-4EB37FDCC21E@protypeonline.com>

Borzou and others,
it appears from our research and talking with others who know much  
more about this than I know, that we do not have a "real" network  
server? Don't ask because I can't answer. However, Borzou, one  
company told us the same thing you did and gave us the same size and  
pricing info. on the external hard drives. I think my dtp employee is  
leaning this direction.
Thank you and others for your help.
Robin

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com


From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com  Fri Sep  7 18:22:09 2007
From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat)
Date: Fri Sep  7 18:22:11 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Inquiry on special color
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-DAV54236A9644B0ED5C6AC7EB6CD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <HMEDIEDICMMHGNJJMLEOCEEFGFAA.richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com>

Can somebody give me some help on this one?  I have a customer who wants to
do a job with us but the printer who did the same job perviously indicated
that the color is a special color they invented with the designer (who is
"married" to this printer). The job is a 5/5 (CMYK + 1 spot), they indicate
the spot color to be a pearlescent. The designer describes it as "pearl
composite mixed into a custom blue color", and does not want to give me or
the customer more information.

The closest we can match is PMS 7542 but it does have a metalic or shiny
content.  I have looked in all the PMS books we have for different papers
and metalics and we cannot match it. Is there a PMS book that contains some
type of pearl base like the metalics contain silver or gold ink? The
designer is telling the customer that we should match it based on the
printed piece we have. I know that if we use silver we will not get the same
effect, I there any other base we can use so that we can add it to the PMS
7542?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Richard Moffat

Sir Speedy
244 S.W. 6th Street
Miami, Florida 33130
(305) 285-1401 Tel
(305) 285-1402 Fax
richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com
www.sirspeedy-brickell.com

From dstorrar at hrcommunications.ca  Fri Sep  7 18:38:46 2007
From: dstorrar at hrcommunications.ca (Dan Storrar)
Date: Fri Sep  7 18:39:48 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Inquiry on special color
References: <HMEDIEDICMMHGNJJMLEOCEEFGFAA.richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c7f19f$e25e6680$6401a8c0@DAN>

Not sure about your ink supplier but i know that when we run into this we 
give the printed sample to our paper rep and he gets and ink drawdown done 
This provides us with the formula which the ink company will either supply 
to us or mix the ink for us.
Make sure that the ink company has stock samples that the job will be 
produced on.
Good luck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Moffat" <richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com>
To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:22 PM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Inquiry on special color


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Can somebody give me some help on this one?  I have a customer who wants 
> to
> do a job with us but the printer who did the same job perviously indicated
> that the color is a special color they invented with the designer (who is
> "married" to this printer). The job is a 5/5 (CMYK + 1 spot), they 
> indicate
> the spot color to be a pearlescent. The designer describes it as "pearl
> composite mixed into a custom blue color", and does not want to give me or
> the customer more information.
>
> The closest we can match is PMS 7542 but it does have a metalic or shiny
> content.  I have looked in all the PMS books we have for different papers
> and metalics and we cannot match it. Is there a PMS book that contains 
> some
> type of pearl base like the metalics contain silver or gold ink? The
> designer is telling the customer that we should match it based on the
> printed piece we have. I know that if we use silver we will not get the 
> same
> effect, I there any other base we can use so that we can add it to the PMS
> 7542?
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>
> Richard Moffat
>
> Sir Speedy
> 244 S.W. 6th Street
> Miami, Florida 33130
> (305) 285-1401 Tel
> (305) 285-1402 Fax
> richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com
> www.sirspeedy-brickell.com
>
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> 

From sos at olympus.net  Fri Sep  7 18:53:56 2007
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Fri Sep  7 18:54:18 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Inquiry on special color
References: <HMEDIEDICMMHGNJJMLEOCEEFGFAA.richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com>
Message-ID: <093b01c7f1a1$f8769c60$0300a8c0@DANIEL>

I know that if we use silver we will not get the same
> effect, I there any other base we can use so that we can add it to the PMS
> 7542?
======================

PMS 8201 C  is a nice metallic blue  fairly close to 7542.   I think Pantone 
has more metallic colors, but my swatch book only shows silver, 6 shades of 
gold and 7 metallic colors.

The formula for 8201  is 1 1/4 pts 072 Blue    5 pts Pro Blue   and 11 1/8 
pts  877 Silver

Hope that helps.

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860



From robin at protypeonline.com  Fri Sep  7 20:02:01 2007
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Fri Sep  7 20:01:36 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Wish I Were In Chicago
Message-ID: <63616BC5-CF32-4EA5-8C29-A57DD2F2EC97@protypeonline.com>

Darn, here I am on Friday of the NAQP Conference in Chicago --  
watching Wheel of Fortune and waiting for Jim to bring home  
pizza.....meanwhile my printing associates and friends are on the 2nd  
or 3rd floor of the InterContinental Hotel on N. Mich. Avenue having  
the time of their lives -- having drinks and appetizers and  
schmoozing with each other and maybe some of the vendors at the  
Supplier event -- and then out to dinner to discuss the issues they  
didn't get resolved during the day or over appetizers.
DARN! I'm missing a great time! I almost changed my mind last week  
and un-did my cancelled hotel and conference registration.  
fortunately, I did not - my back is giving me fits -- heading to  
Chicago on Tuesday to get a 2nd opinion. First opinion last Wed. said  
that surgery would help -- spinal fusion -- 3 vertebrae, 2 levels, L5  
S1 and L4.
Why aren't you in Chicago?
Robin

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com


From stalprint at charter.net  Fri Sep  7 20:24:10 2007
From: stalprint at charter.net (stalprint@charter.net)
Date: Fri Sep  7 20:24:25 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Wish I Were In Chicago
In-Reply-To: <63616BC5-CF32-4EA5-8C29-A57DD2F2EC97@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <20070907202410.H4AM8.34615.root@fepweb02>

I wish you were here also
Without your "spunk" just about boring


---- Robin Niewold <robin@protypeonline.com> wrote: 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> Darn, here I am on Friday of the NAQP Conference in Chicago --  
> watching Wheel of Fortune and waiting for Jim to bring home  
> pizza.....meanwhile my printing associates and friends are on the 2nd  
> or 3rd floor of the InterContinental Hotel on N. Mich. Avenue having  
> the time of their lives -- having drinks and appetizers and  
> schmoozing with each other and maybe some of the vendors at the  
> Supplier event -- and then out to dinner to discuss the issues they  
> didn't get resolved during the day or over appetizers.
> DARN! I'm missing a great time! I almost changed my mind last week  
> and un-did my cancelled hotel and conference registration.  
> fortunately, I did not - my back is giving me fits -- heading to  
> Chicago on Tuesday to get a 2nd opinion. First opinion last Wed. said  
> that surgery would help -- spinal fusion -- 3 vertebrae, 2 levels, L5  
> S1 and L4.
> Why aren't you in Chicago?
> Robin
> 
> Robin Niewold
> Pro-Type Printing
> 130 N. Market Street
> Paxton, IL 60957
> 217.379.4715
> robin@protypeonline.com
> 
> 
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From list at interiorgraphics.com  Fri Sep  7 21:07:10 2007
From: list at interiorgraphics.com (Michelle at Interior Graphics)
Date: Fri Sep  7 21:07:22 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Wish I Were In Chicago
In-Reply-To: <63616BC5-CF32-4EA5-8C29-A57DD2F2EC97@protypeonline.com>
References: <63616BC5-CF32-4EA5-8C29-A57DD2F2EC97@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <B1C6CBAC-2B32-4D86-BB19-C47FD7A5F148@interiorgraphics.com>

Hey Lady!

It's hunting season here, so my husband is out of town which leaves  
nobody to watch my daughter.  I'm hoping next year will be a little  
later in the season - I really wish I was there too!  I had a great  
time last year, learned a bunch, met some terrific people and made  
some great memories.  Sorry to hear about your back - I hope you get  
it fixed soon.


Michelle Maynor
"Your Personal Printer"
Interior Graphics & Printing
770 8th Avenue
Fairbanks, AK 99701
907.456.4982 phone
907.452.6992 fax



On Sep 7, 2007, at 4:02 PM, Robin Niewold wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Darn, here I am on Friday of the NAQP Conference in Chicago --  
> watching Wheel of Fortune and waiting for Jim to bring home  
> pizza.....meanwhile my printing associates and friends are on the  
> 2nd or 3rd floor of the InterContinental Hotel on N. Mich. Avenue  
> having the time of their lives -- having drinks and appetizers and  
> schmoozing with each other and maybe some of the vendors at the  
> Supplier event -- and then out to dinner to discuss the issues they  
> didn't get resolved during the day or over appetizers.
> DARN! I'm missing a great time! I almost changed my mind last week  
> and un-did my cancelled hotel and conference registration.  
> fortunately, I did not - my back is giving me fits -- heading to  
> Chicago on Tuesday to get a 2nd opinion. First opinion last Wed.  
> said that surgery would help -- spinal fusion -- 3 vertebrae, 2  
> levels, L5 S1 and L4.
> Why aren't you in Chicago?
> Robin
>
> Robin Niewold
> Pro-Type Printing
> 130 N. Market Street
> Paxton, IL 60957
> 217.379.4715
> robin@protypeonline.com
>
>
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From wayne at printingonline.com  Fri Sep  7 21:19:58 2007
From: wayne at printingonline.com (Wayne Yada)
Date: Fri Sep  7 21:19:59 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Wish I Were In Chicago
Message-ID: <200709080119.l881JKJa024020@njbrsmtp2.vzwmail.net>

Greetings from the roof of the rock bottom. Wish you were here. Best wishes with your back issues.

Wayne, Craig, Becky, Tammie, et al

Wayne Yada
wayne@printingonline.com

-----Original Message-----
From: "Robin Niewold" <robin@protypeonline.com>
To: "printowners printowners" <PrintOwners@printweb.org>
Sent: 9/7/2007 5:02 PM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Wish I Were In Chicago

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Darn, here I am on Friday of the NAQP Conference in Chicago --  
watching Wheel of Fortune and waiting for Jim to bring home  
pizza.....meanwhile my printing associates and friends are on the 2nd  
or 3rd floor of the InterContinental Hotel on N. Mich. Avenue having  
the time of their lives -- having drinks and appetizers and  
schmoozing with each other and maybe some of the vendors at the  
Supplier event -- and then out to dinner to discuss the issues they  
didn't get resolved during the day or over appetizers.
DARN! I'm missing a great time! I almost changed my mind last week  
and un-did my cancelled hotel and conference registration.  
fortunately, I did not - my back is giving me fits -- heading to  
Chicago on Tuesday to get a 2nd opinion. First opinion last Wed. said  
that surgery would help -- spinal fusion -- 3 vertebrae, 2 levels, L5  
S1 and L4.
Why aren't you in Chicago?
Robin

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com


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From oren66 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Sep  7 22:33:28 2007
From: oren66 at sbcglobal.net (Arie Teomi)
Date: Fri Sep  7 22:33:39 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Wish I Were In Chicago
In-Reply-To: <63616BC5-CF32-4EA5-8C29-A57DD2F2EC97@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <118436.88667.qm@web83406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Yes Robin,
We all wish you were here to add fun to the fun. We
miss you dearly and we also miss the nice dinner that
you were so kind to coordinate. We know it is a very
hard work to put together but you did it without
complaints.I know that everybody is joining me in
thanking you for doing it for us.
Health is of course #1 issue to take care of and this
is what you have to do now. As far as the conference,
there is always next year.

We all miss you and wish you quick recovery. Please
keep all of us informed.

Arie



Arie Teomi 
MINUTEMAN PRESS 
23500 Mercantile Suite F
  Cleveland, OH 44122 
P:216-464-1960 
F:216-464-1660 

www.minutemancleveland.com
  
Your Full Service 
PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner

From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Fri Sep  7 23:31:49 2007
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Fri Sep  7 23:32:02 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Inquiry on special color
In-Reply-To: <HMEDIEDICMMHGNJJMLEOCEEFGFAA.richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com>
References: <BAY110-DAV54236A9644B0ED5C6AC7EB6CD0@phx.gbl>
	<HMEDIEDICMMHGNJJMLEOCEEFGFAA.richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0709072031x5f80654exc1189837861b9714@mail.gmail.com>

There *is* a Pantone swatch book of metallic colors:
http://www.pantone.com/pages/products/product.aspx?pid=219&ca=1
another version here:
http://www.amazon.com/Pantone-GG1207-Metallic-formula-Guide/dp/B000FEJPO8

I know we have an older one at the store. Great colors as I remember,
but I don't remember ever using them, and I don't know anything about
the base colors required.

Not sure what help I can be on the phone, but feel free to call me
Monday if you think there might be something to be gleaned from the
book we've got.



-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com

====================================
Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
                                                     ~ Lord Bacon



On 9/7/07, Richard Moffat <richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com> wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Can somebody give me some help on this one?  I have a customer who wants to
> do a job with us but the printer who did the same job perviously indicated
> that the color is a special color they invented with the designer (who is
> "married" to this printer). The job is a 5/5 (CMYK + 1 spot), they indicate
> the spot color to be a pearlescent. The designer describes it as "pearl
> composite mixed into a custom blue color", and does not want to give me or
> the customer more information.
>
> The closest we can match is PMS 7542 but it does have a metalic or shiny
> content.  I have looked in all the PMS books we have for different papers
> and metalics and we cannot match it. Is there a PMS book that contains some
> type of pearl base like the metalics contain silver or gold ink? The
> designer is telling the customer that we should match it based on the
> printed piece we have. I know that if we use silver we will not get the same
> effect, I there any other base we can use so that we can add it to the PMS
> 7542?
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>
> Richard Moffat
>
> Sir Speedy
> 244 S.W. 6th Street
> Miami, Florida 33130
> (305) 285-1401 Tel
> (305) 285-1402 Fax
> richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com
> www.sirspeedy-brickell.com
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From craig at newhavenprint.com  Fri Sep  7 23:55:34 2007
From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger)
Date: Sat Sep  8 00:10:24 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need old Beige G3
In-Reply-To: <03c801c7f18f$3ef242b0$6d01a8c0@KELLY>
References: <001401c7f184$f31d9dd0$d958d970$@com>
	<03c801c7f18f$3ef242b0$6d01a8c0@KELLY>
Message-ID: <142C4ACB-88C9-44EB-8083-3FBE3BED270F@newhavenprint.com>

Decbhmmmmdrfenb nbn   nbbbfnxlmeaaCD

Craig Dellinger
New Haven Print & Copy
7531 US 930 East
Fort Wayne, IN 46803
www.newhavenprint.com




On Sep 7, 2007, at 3:39 PM, "Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics" <kellycrom@gmail.com 
 > wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> John,
>
> I might still have one in the warehouse. I'm in Chicago now, but  
> I'll check
> when I get back next Wed.(if you don't find one sooner)
>
> Kelly Crom
> Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.
>
> We've Moved!!!
> 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
> Plymouth, MN  55441
> New Phone:  (763)231-6970
> kellycrom@gmail.com
> www.applied-graphics.com
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
>> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry
>> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:26 PM
>> To: printowners@printweb.org
>> Subject: [PrintOwners] Need old Beige G3
>> Importance: High
>>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> I need to old beige G3 with Scsi built in. It drives my old
>> image setter and
>> died. Anyone got a box collecting dust?
>>
>> John M. Henry
>> Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
>> 125-129 East First Street
>> Oswego, New York 13126
>> (315) 343-3531
>> (315) 343-3577 Fax
>> www.mpcny.com
>> John@mpcny.com
>> We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider
>> Microsoft Publisher Service Provider
>> We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for
>> First, Second and
>> Standard
>> Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to
>> mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this outgoing message.
>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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>> Date: 9/6/2007
>> 3:18 PM
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From craig at newhavenprint.com  Sat Sep  8 01:45:24 2007
From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger)
Date: Sat Sep  8 01:45:40 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need old Beige G3
In-Reply-To: <142C4ACB-88C9-44EB-8083-3FBE3BED270F@newhavenprint.com>
References: <001401c7f184$f31d9dd0$d958d970$@com>
	<03c801c7f18f$3ef242b0$6d01a8c0@KELLY>
	<142C4ACB-88C9-44EB-8083-3FBE3BED270F@newhavenprint.com>
Message-ID: <3208757B-5222-4E2C-8B33-95E0369A1248@newhavenprint.com>

Sorry folks, this is what happens when you're demonstrating an iPhone  
on a rooftop in Chicago.    ;-)





On Sep 7, 2007, at 11:55 PM, Craig Dellinger wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Decbhmmmmdrfenb nbn   nbbbfnxlmeaaCD
>
> Craig Dellinger
> New Haven Print & Copy
> 7531 US 930 East
> Fort Wayne, IN 46803
> www.newhavenprint.com
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 7, 2007, at 3:39 PM, "Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics"  
> <kellycrom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> John,
>>
>> I might still have one in the warehouse. I'm in Chicago now, but  
>> I'll check
>> when I get back next Wed.(if you don't find one sooner)
>>
>> Kelly Crom
>> Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.
>>
>> We've Moved!!!
>> 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
>> Plymouth, MN  55441
>> New Phone:  (763)231-6970
>> kellycrom@gmail.com
>> www.applied-graphics.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
>>> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry
>>> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:26 PM
>>> To: printowners@printweb.org
>>> Subject: [PrintOwners] Need old Beige G3
>>> Importance: High
>>>
>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>>
>>> I need to old beige G3 with Scsi built in. It drives my old
>>> image setter and
>>> died. Anyone got a box collecting dust?
>>>
>>> John M. Henry
>>> Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
>>> 125-129 East First Street
>>> Oswego, New York 13126
>>> (315) 343-3531
>>> (315) 343-3577 Fax
>>> www.mpcny.com
>>> John@mpcny.com
>>> We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider
>>> Microsoft Publisher Service Provider
>>> We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for
>>> First, Second and
>>> Standard
>>> Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to  
>>> printing...to
>>> mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No virus found in this outgoing message.
>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>> Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release
>>> Date: 9/6/2007
>>> 3:18 PM
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Craig Dellinger
New Haven Print & Copy
7531 US 930 East
Fort Wayne, IN 46803
www.newhavenprint.com
260.493.3844



From kellycrom at gmail.com  Sat Sep  8 03:05:21 2007
From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics)
Date: Sat Sep  8 03:03:58 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Wish I Were In Chicago
In-Reply-To: <B1C6CBAC-2B32-4D86-BB19-C47FD7A5F148@interiorgraphics.com>
References: <63616BC5-CF32-4EA5-8C29-A57DD2F2EC97@protypeonline.com>
	<B1C6CBAC-2B32-4D86-BB19-C47FD7A5F148@interiorgraphics.com>
Message-ID: <03f301c7f1e6$9ff6c430$6d01a8c0@KELLY>

Michelle,

Sounds like next year it will be about the 3rd week of October(and probably
cold-not a problem for Alaskans!)
Doesn't look like we'll be doing the beer and a shot back to the train this
year.

Kelly Crom
Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.

We've Moved!!!
2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
Plymouth, MN  55441
New Phone:  (763)231-6970
kellycrom@gmail.com
www.applied-graphics.com 

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org 
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of 
> Michelle at Interior Graphics
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 8:07 PM
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Wish I Were In Chicago
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> Hey Lady!
> 
> It's hunting season here, so my husband is out of town which leaves  
> nobody to watch my daughter.  I'm hoping next year will be a little  
> later in the season - I really wish I was there too!  I had a great  
> time last year, learned a bunch, met some terrific people and made  
> some great memories.  Sorry to hear about your back - I hope you get  
> it fixed soon.
> 
> 
> Michelle Maynor
> "Your Personal Printer"
> Interior Graphics & Printing
> 770 8th Avenue
> Fairbanks, AK 99701
> 907.456.4982 phone
> 907.452.6992 fax
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 7, 2007, at 4:02 PM, Robin Niewold wrote:
> 
> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> >
> > Darn, here I am on Friday of the NAQP Conference in Chicago --  
> > watching Wheel of Fortune and waiting for Jim to bring home  
> > pizza.....meanwhile my printing associates and friends are on the  
> > 2nd or 3rd floor of the InterContinental Hotel on N. Mich. Avenue  
> > having the time of their lives -- having drinks and appetizers and  
> > schmoozing with each other and maybe some of the vendors at the  
> > Supplier event -- and then out to dinner to discuss the 
> issues they  
> > didn't get resolved during the day or over appetizers.
> > DARN! I'm missing a great time! I almost changed my mind last week  
> > and un-did my cancelled hotel and conference registration.  
> > fortunately, I did not - my back is giving me fits -- heading to  
> > Chicago on Tuesday to get a 2nd opinion. First opinion last Wed.  
> > said that surgery would help -- spinal fusion -- 3 vertebrae, 2  
> > levels, L5 S1 and L4.
> > Why aren't you in Chicago?
> > Robin
> >
> > Robin Niewold
> > Pro-Type Printing
> > 130 N. Market Street
> > Paxton, IL 60957
> > 217.379.4715
> > robin@protypeonline.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Sat Sep  8 10:54:38 2007
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Sat Sep  8 10:54:51 2007
Subject: OFF Re: [PrintOwners] Wish I Were In Chicago
Message-ID: <ce4.1ab4c3a6.341411ae@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 9/7/2007 8:02:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
robin@protypeonline.com writes:

I did  not - my back is giving me fits -- heading to  
Chicago on Tuesday to  get a 2nd opinion. First opinion last Wed. said  
that surgery would  help -- spinal fusion -- 3 vertebrae, 2 levels, L5  
S1 and  L4.



Robin,
 
First, you really need to call Jace and discuss his experiences involving  
back surgery. He has suffered mightily and might be able to shed some more light 
 on what he has gone through and what he might advise doing and avoiding.
 
Your problems remind me of something that happened when I was about 13  years 
old. I was diagnosed with a rare back disease. The treatment called for me  
be placed in a solid plaster body cast for approximately 10 months. I was  
incased in plaster from just below my armpits to just above my hip bones...  
remember, we are talking about 1967-58 period... plaster is all they had.
 
Well, that summer we were up at Lake Geneva and my two cousins and myself  
had discovered an old canoe sail up in the attic. So we made plans to sneak out  
of the house early one morning and we took it down to the docks and mounted 
the  sail on a rowboat that belonged to the family. Not only did we not really 
know  much about sailing, we certainly did not know anything about the 
importance of  having a keel in order to sail and stay upright.
 
Without life jackets of any type, the three of us launched from the dock  and 
headed straight out into the lake with the wind blowing directly from our  
stern. Every time we tried a slight turn (we were using a oar to steer) the  
rowboat would lean precariously to either the left or right. All we could do was  
run with the wind.
 
Well my aunt, uncle and mother quickly discovered we were missing and  rushed 
down to the docks. By the time they arrived we were halfway out in the  lake, 
still heading in one direction - away from the docks. My mother started  
screaming and crying and was yelling hysterically on the docks. 
 
As she told the story later, my mom said all she could visualize  was me 
falling overboard and sinking immediately beneath the surface, trailing  wisps of 
white, dissolved plaster of Paris as I sank out of sight. It never  occurred 
to me or my cousins that we might actually run into trouble or that if  I fell 
overboard I would sink like a rock and probably not float to the surface  for 
days until the plaster cast finally dissolved!
 
Well all the parents jumped into a beautiful, Mahogany decked Chris Craft  
powerboat they owned and headed out to our location at 35 mph or faster! My God, 
 were they mad at us. We just shrugged our shoulders when asked what we had 
been  thinking when we headed out without life jackets in a rowboat rigged with 
a  V-shaped canoe sail. I still think about that day 50 years ago. I can 
imagine  falling overboard, sinking to the bottom and my cousins returning to the 
docks,  pretending they knew nothing about what had happened. Knowing my 
cousins, they  would have denied until they were on their deathbeds that I had even 
been with  them. They would have pretended to be just as concerned as the 
parents about my  whereabouts.  
 

John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
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by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 

2110 S. Dairy  Road
West Melbourne, FL 32904
321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
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From printer at ptialaska.net  Sat Sep  8 15:53:15 2007
From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln)
Date: Sat Sep  8 15:53:39 2007
Subject: OFF Re: [PrintOwners] Wish I Were In Chicago
In-Reply-To: <ce4.1ab4c3a6.341411ae@aol.com>
References: <ce4.1ab4c3a6.341411ae@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E14F057A-54BE-4D52-A169-4FC81D112F39@ptialaska.net>


On Sep 8, 2007, at 6:54 AM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> I was diagnosed with a rare back disease. The treatment called for me
> be placed in a solid plaster body cast for approximately 10 months.  
> I was
> incased in plaster from just below my armpits to just above my hip  
> bones...
> remember, we are talking about 1967-58 period... plaster is all  
> they had.



REPLY:
Wow, that explains a lot. Now we have a little more insight on what  
makes J.S, JS. <g>

P.S. Glad you did not fall in, though it might make a good segment  
for Letterman's DOES IT SINK or DOES IT FLOAT...

P.P.S. It must have worked since they let you in the military...


_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

Charles Lincoln
ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
612 30th Avenue
Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
(907) 451-1111
fax (907) 451-4511

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

From jdaghir at gmail.com  Sat Sep  8 16:31:25 2007
From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir)
Date: Sat Sep  8 16:31:34 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Quicksilver - Next Generation plate material
In-Reply-To: <d49.10d45f56.34118016@aol.com>
References: <d49.10d45f56.34118016@aol.com>
Message-ID: <83d5b9620709081331ofa7f860i48eafba6ad4c0802@mail.gmail.com>

As far as I'm aware all poly plate material is manufactured by either
AGFA or Mitsubishi and then private labeled for others who resell it.
I'm not sure now that it's Presstek, but back when it was AB Dick
their plate material was actually Misubishi's SilverMaster material.
Any graphics arts supplier in your area should be able to get you
compatible material.

-- 
Jeff Daghir
MPS Printing, Inc.
"The Ink & Paper People"
Madison, IN
www.mpsprinting.com
jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com




> I have been buying this material for my 430 camera from Presstek.  They have
> a $500.00 minimum before they share the freight charges.  Where can I buy this
> material in smaller quantities and no freight?
From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com  Sun Sep  9 12:03:44 2007
From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry)
Date: Sun Sep  9 12:04:10 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 25, Issue 23
References: <20070909160003.5120DB55972@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <BAY110-DAV14E603F48BDC8685EF0D6BB6C70@phx.gbl>

Are you talking about him being plastered all the time?  Or......

Larry
Tucson

  Message: 1
  Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 11:53:15 -0800
  From: "Charles A. Lincoln" <printer@ptialaska.net<mailto:printer@ptialaska.net>>
  Subject: Re: OFF Re: [PrintOwners] Wish I Were In Chicago
  To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
  <printowners@printweb.org<mailto:printowners@printweb.org>>
  Message-ID: <E14F057A-54BE-4D52-A169-4FC81D112F39@ptialaska.net<mailto:E14F057A-54BE-4D52-A169-4FC81D112F39@ptialaska.net>>
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  On Sep 8, 2007, at 6:54 AM, QKCONSULT@aol.com<mailto:QKCONSULT@aol.com> wrote:

  > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
  > I was diagnosed with a rare back disease. The treatment called for me
  > be placed in a solid plaster body cast for approximately 10 months.  
  > I was
  > incased in plaster from just below my armpits to just above my hip  
  > bones...
  > remember, we are talking about 1967-58 period... plaster is all  
  > they had.



  REPLY:
  Wow, that explains a lot. Now we have a little more insight on what  
  makes J.S, JS. <g>

  P.S. Glad you did not fall in, though it might make a good segment  
  for Letterman's DOES IT SINK or DOES IT FLOAT...

  P.P.S. It must have worked since they let you in the military...


  _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

  Charles Lincoln
  ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
  612 30th Avenue
  Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
  (907) 451-1111
  fax (907) 451-4511

  _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/



  ------------------------------

  Message: 2
  Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:31:25 -0400
  From: "Jeff Daghir" <jdaghir@gmail.com<mailto:jdaghir@gmail.com>>
  Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Need Quicksilver - Next Generation plate
  material
  To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only"
  <printowners@printweb.org<mailto:printowners@printweb.org>>
  Message-ID:
  <83d5b9620709081331ofa7f860i48eafba6ad4c0802@mail.gmail.com<mailto:83d5b9620709081331ofa7f860i48eafba6ad4c0802@mail.gmail.com>>
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

  As far as I'm aware all poly plate material is manufactured by either
  AGFA or Mitsubishi and then private labeled for others who resell it.
  I'm not sure now that it's Presstek, but back when it was AB Dick
  their plate material was actually Misubishi's SilverMaster material.
  Any graphics arts supplier in your area should be able to get you
  compatible material.

  -- 
  Jeff Daghir
  MPS Printing, Inc.
  "The Ink & Paper People"
  Madison, IN
  www.mpsprinting.com<http://www.mpsprinting.com/>
  jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com<mailto:jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com>




  > I have been buying this material for my 430 camera from Presstek.  They have
  > a $500.00 minimum before they share the freight charges.  Where can I buy this
  > material in smaller quantities and no freight?


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From robin at protypeonline.com  Sun Sep  9 13:13:00 2007
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Sun Sep  9 13:12:32 2007
Subject: OFF Re: [PrintOwners] Wish I Were In Chicago 
Message-ID: <4CBE091E-FC14-4161-B2CB-BFC5D0267FE2@protypeonline.com>

John,
Jace and I have talked before -- I am one of the lucky ones as the  
Dr. knows what is causing the pain. Only question left is what type  
of surgery and when.
3rd week in October for for next year's Chicago conference -- sounds  
like a great time of the year to be in Chicago!!! Cold? Who said that?
:)))
robin

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com


From priorityprinting at comcast.net  Mon Sep 10 07:54:36 2007
From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Sep 10 07:55:01 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format
Message-ID: <091020071154.17539.46E5307A000A76640000448322007636920902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net>

Looked at the Canon 8000 & 9000 wide format printers at graph Expo yesterday.  Does anyone have any experience with these printers?  They look really nice for the price.

Jeff Farber
Priority Printing & Graphics
1323 E. Main Street
Flushing, MI 48433
810 487-1700
From dave at goldentriangleprinting.com  Mon Sep 10 08:08:29 2007
From: dave at goldentriangleprinting.com (Dave)
Date: Mon Sep 10 08:09:52 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format
References: <091020071154.17539.46E5307A000A76640000448322007636920902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000401c7f3a3$4cfbfcf0$0201a8c0@GTP01>

WE have the 8400 and love it. Very easy to use and no spoiled prints.
Golden Triangle Printing
80 Baffin Pl  Unit 1
Waterloo, Ontario N2V 1Z7
Ph. 519-725-1414  Fax. 519-725-2051
sales@goldentriangleprinting.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <priorityprinting@comcast.net>
To: <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 7:54 AM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Looked at the Canon 8000 & 9000 wide format printers at graph Expo 
> yesterday.  Does anyone have any experience with these printers?  They 
> look really nice for the price.
>
> Jeff Farber
> Priority Printing & Graphics
> 1323 E. Main Street
> Flushing, MI 48433
> 810 487-1700
> _______________________________________________
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> 
From John at mpcny.com  Mon Sep 10 08:45:31 2007
From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry)
Date: Mon Sep 10 08:45:11 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Chicago updates
Message-ID: <002f01c7f3a8$79af85f0$6d0e91d0$@com>

I have been updated by S, Dennis, Jeff D, Tammy and others. I can say they
had a good time. All calls made at midnight or later so the meetings must
have gone long into the night.<G> I am surprised they still are letting
printers into the bars, must be moving the dates confuses them.

I did learn Jeff does shower once a month and S sure gets loud as the night
goes on...Darn I miss being there. Oh and my Pop Warner coaching record is
still intact-winless, this weekend we were beat 39-0

John M. Henry
Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
125-129 East First Street
Oswego, New York 13126
(315) 343-3531
(315) 343-3577 Fax
www.mpcny.com
John@mpcny.com

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From gamble at choiceonemail.com  Mon Sep 10 09:50:28 2007
From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird)
Date: Mon Sep 10 09:50:47 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF Conversion
In-Reply-To: <091020071154.17539.46E5307A000A76640000448322007636920902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net>
References: <091020071154.17539.46E5307A000A76640000448322007636920902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <013f01c7f3b1$8c01aef0$0201a8c0@RICK>

Hi fellow PrintOwners,

	I am running into something I have not seen I convert a job to PDF
for printing and as I do so the fonts upon conversion all change to type
that's broken and contains lots of hairy type. If I go directly our of the
program type looks fine.

	I am using the Acrobat 6.0 and printing to a Xerox workcentre pro 90
in PCL6 mode.

Thanks in advance

Rick Bird
Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc.
Buffalo, NY 14127
(716) 662-1515
(716) 662-5917 - fax
gamble@choiceonemail.com - email

From jgross at techiowa.com  Mon Sep 10 09:54:23 2007
From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross)
Date: Mon Sep 10 09:54:45 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Chicago updates
In-Reply-To: <002f01c7f3a8$79af85f0$6d0e91d0$@com>
Message-ID: <000001c7f3b2$188758c0$1e00000a@tech.local>

Would that be Syracuse per chance? 

John A. Gross
Technigraphics, Inc.
PO Box 1846
Iowa City, Iowa 52244
jgross@techiowa.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 7:46 AM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] Chicago updates
Importance: High

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I have been updated by S, Dennis, Jeff D, Tammy and others. I can say they
had a good time. All calls made at midnight or later so the meetings must
have gone long into the night.<G> I am surprised they still are letting
printers into the bars, must be moving the dates confuses them.

I did learn Jeff does shower once a month and S sure gets loud as the night
goes on...Darn I miss being there. Oh and my Pop Warner coaching record is
still intact-winless, this weekend we were beat 39-0

John M. Henry
Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
125-129 East First Street
Oswego, New York 13126
(315) 343-3531
(315) 343-3577 Fax
www.mpcny.com
John@mpcny.com

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From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Mon Sep 10 10:05:54 2007
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Mon Sep 10 10:06:43 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Chicago updates
Message-ID: <d32.146b35e8.3416a942@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 9/10/2007 9:56:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jgross@techiowa.com writes:

Oh and  my Pop Warner coaching record is
still intact-winless, this weekend we were  beat 39-0



John, is 39-0 score in Pop Warner Football, or God help us,  is that a Pop 
Warner baseball score? My best advice is steroids, lots of them...  they can be 
purchased in injectable form, but also imbedded in candies like  Tootsie Rolls 
or suckers. I would suggest avoiding the injections because the  track marks 
might be noticed by some of the parents, so use the candies instead!  Losing 
39-0 would be a good defense if you were ever caught!
 

John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)   

by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 

2110 S. Dairy  Road
West Melbourne, FL 32904
321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
Cell:  321-794-6259
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
"Winners  analyze, losers rationalize."



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From jgross at techiowa.com  Mon Sep 10 10:19:35 2007
From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross)
Date: Mon Sep 10 10:20:20 2007
Subject: OFF Re: [PrintOwners] Wish I Were In Chicago 
In-Reply-To: <4CBE091E-FC14-4161-B2CB-BFC5D0267FE2@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <001501c7f3b5$9d931240$1e00000a@tech.local>

>From the roof of the Billy Goat Tavern:  Robin, we missed you but look
forward to having you with us on the disco floor next year.

John A. Gross
Technigraphics, Inc.
PO Box 1846
Iowa City, Iowa 52244
jgross@techiowa.com




From mkb1 at good-impressions.com  Mon Sep 10 11:56:28 2007
From: mkb1 at good-impressions.com (Marian Bredin)
Date: Mon Sep 10 10:57:04 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Trade Printer
In-Reply-To: <de1d94970709060953l5cde3d1cl4fe5a1e91ec550bb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070910145703.8848BB5B974@rb.enter.net>

>> Does anyone here specialize in printing membership directories, or could
you refer me to someone who does?

Jace,

Lawton Publications in Oklahoma City does our directory. However, they do a
turnkey job, selling the ads, producing the book, and giving the Chamber a
rebate. I don't know if they would be interested in just the print job--or
if you would want to let somebody like that in. 

Anyway, the phone # is 877-4LAWTON.

Marian

Marian Bredin
Good Impressions Inc
325 W Washington Ave.
Washington, NJ 07882
908-689-3071  Fax: 908-689-7369
http://www.good-impressions.com 


From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com  Mon Sep 10 11:13:56 2007
From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo)
Date: Mon Sep 10 11:14:17 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
In-Reply-To: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
References: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
Message-ID: <46E55F34.5040406@sugarloafprint.com>

Greg Weinfurter wrote:
> Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
>
> By what percent?

Sales up 28%

-- 
Ron Sardo
Sugarloaf Print Shop
mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com
www.sugarloafprint.com
570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077

From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com  Mon Sep 10 11:13:56 2007
From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo)
Date: Mon Sep 10 11:14:26 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
In-Reply-To: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
References: <FEDE9FE1-D2D7-47F5-8E4B-26EA2663611A@bfm.org>
Message-ID: <46E55F34.5040406@sugarloafprint.com>

Greg Weinfurter wrote:
> Survey-Are sales up YTD over last year or down?
>
> By what percent?

Sales up 28%

-- 
Ron Sardo
Sugarloaf Print Shop
mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com
www.sugarloafprint.com
570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077

From jedwards at printzilla.net  Mon Sep 10 11:13:44 2007
From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards)
Date: Mon Sep 10 11:17:24 2007
Subject: OFF Re: [PrintOwners] Wish I Were In Chicago
In-Reply-To: <001501c7f3b5$9d931240$1e00000a@tech.local>
References: <001501c7f3b5$9d931240$1e00000a@tech.local>
Message-ID: <D7A89B91-6837-4478-90A7-70C521E3AE64@printzilla.net>


On Sep 10, 2007, at 9:19 AM, John Gross wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>> From the roof of the Billy Goat Tavern:  Robin, we missed you but  
>> look
> forward to having you with us on the disco floor next year.


Disco? Every time I hear that word this comes to mind. I should have  
known that it would still exist somewhere in cyberspace.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_t4Dpe0oaA

Jack Edwards
Printing Plus
Oak Ridge North, Texas
From matt at printcoinc.com  Mon Sep 10 12:13:09 2007
From: matt at printcoinc.com (Matt Mewhorter, Printco)
Date: Mon Sep 10 12:14:07 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Sticky Notes
Message-ID: <002901c7f3c5$7b4477a0$0900a8c0@MATT>

One of our good customers is looking for some custom sticky notes.  Does
anyone have a good trade supplier for these?  I have worked with Ennis in
the past, but there is a 500 pad minimum for custom and very limited options
for the "standard" runs.  

 

They are looking for:

 

3" x 3"

2 PMS colors (logo only)

White stock

 

13 versions - 10 pads of 100 each

 

Thank you in advance! 

 

Matt Mewhorter | Printco, Inc.

phone 425.255.7700 | fax 253.288.3747 | cell 206.953.6156 

address 32 G St NW, Ste A  Auburn, WA 98001 | e-mail matt@printcoinc.com

 

The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to
which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged
material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or
taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or
entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received
this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any
computer. 

 

From scottv at regalpress.net  Mon Sep 10 12:29:27 2007
From: scottv at regalpress.net (Scott)
Date: Mon Sep 10 12:30:50 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Sticky Notes
References: <002901c7f3c5$7b4477a0$0900a8c0@MATT>
Message-ID: <017101c7f3c7$c2a12290$8a00a8c0@ellsworthacer>

Carlson Craft has a small order program, I think. Their number is 
1-866-628-6868.

Sincerely,


Scott Vicnaire
President

Regal Printing & Graphics
140 South Main Street
Brewer, Maine  04412
207-989-4100

265 Water Street
Ellsworth, Maine  04605
207-667-5227




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matt Mewhorter, Printco" <matt@printcoinc.com>
To: <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 12:13 PM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Sticky Notes


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> One of our good customers is looking for some custom sticky notes.  Does
> anyone have a good trade supplier for these?  I have worked with Ennis in
> the past, but there is a 500 pad minimum for custom and very limited 
> options
> for the "standard" runs.
>
>
>
> They are looking for:
>
>
>
> 3" x 3"
>
> 2 PMS colors (logo only)
>
> White stock
>
>
>
> 13 versions - 10 pads of 100 each
>
>
>
> Thank you in advance!
>
>
>
> Matt Mewhorter | Printco, Inc.
>
> phone 425.255.7700 | fax 253.288.3747 | cell 206.953.6156
>
> address 32 G St NW, Ste A  Auburn, WA 98001 | e-mail matt@printcoinc.com
>
>
>
> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to
> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged
> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or
> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or
> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received
> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any
> computer.
>
>
>
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From pica18 at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 10 12:33:40 2007
From: pica18 at hotmail.com (s polk)
Date: Mon Sep 10 12:34:13 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF Conversion
In-Reply-To: <013f01c7f3b1$8c01aef0$0201a8c0@RICK>
Message-ID: <BAY110-F38445A22361F8FA50AC991DDC00@phx.gbl>

Rick,
If you have the option to choose, try printing to a PS driver rather than 
the PCL6.
Steve


>From: "Rick Bird" <gamble@choiceonemail.com>
>Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only 
><printowners@printweb.org>
>To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" 
><printowners@printweb.org>
>Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF Conversion
>Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:50:28 -0400
>
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>Hi fellow PrintOwners,
>
>	I am running into something I have not seen I convert a job to PDF
>for printing and as I do so the fonts upon conversion all change to type
>that's broken and contains lots of hairy type. If I go directly our of the
>program type looks fine.
>
>	I am using the Acrobat 6.0 and printing to a Xerox workcentre pro 90
>in PCL6 mode.
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Rick Bird
>Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc.
>Buffalo, NY 14127
>(716) 662-1515
>(716) 662-5917 - fax
>gamble@choiceonemail.com - email
>
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From mike at arborprinting.com  Mon Sep 10 12:32:51 2007
From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com)
Date: Mon Sep 10 12:35:58 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Sticky Notes
References: <002901c7f3c5$7b4477a0$0900a8c0@MATT>
Message-ID: <005901c7f3c8$3b935ab0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC>

Carlson Craft or Bic.
Thanks,


Michael Shuta
Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc
630-969-2277
www.arborprinting.com
mike@arborprinting.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matt Mewhorter, Printco" <matt@printcoinc.com>
To: <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 11:13 AM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Sticky Notes


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> One of our good customers is looking for some custom sticky notes.  Does
> anyone have a good trade supplier for these?  I have worked with Ennis in
> the past, but there is a 500 pad minimum for custom and very limited 
> options
> for the "standard" runs.
>
>
>
> They are looking for:
>
>
>
> 3" x 3"
>
> 2 PMS colors (logo only)
>
> White stock
>
>
>
> 13 versions - 10 pads of 100 each
>
>
>
> Thank you in advance!
>
>
>
> Matt Mewhorter | Printco, Inc.
>
> phone 425.255.7700 | fax 253.288.3747 | cell 206.953.6156
>
> address 32 G St NW, Ste A  Auburn, WA 98001 | e-mail matt@printcoinc.com
>
>
>
> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to
> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged
> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or
> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or
> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received
> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any
> computer.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> 


From dominick at fmtc.com  Mon Sep 10 12:40:04 2007
From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing)
Date: Mon Sep 10 12:40:37 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] 5180 Quotes
Message-ID: <46E57364.6040900@fmtc.com>

Asking to find out if anybody has gotten quotes on the Canon 5180 with 
the H1 Fiery Rip?

Just got quoted $17,5 on a "showroom" model, and 6.5 color and 1 cent 
black clicks. 11 x 17 one click of course.

Anybody know much about it?

Thanks

Joe Dominick

Dominick's Quality Printing
542 W. Idaho Avenue
Ontario Oregon 97914
541.881.1121
Fax 541.881.1599

www.dominicksprinting.com
dominick@fmtc.com

Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider
Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here!
From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net  Mon Sep 10 13:15:51 2007
From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis)
Date: Mon Sep 10 13:16:13 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Sticky Notes
In-Reply-To: <002901c7f3c5$7b4477a0$0900a8c0@MATT>
References: <002901c7f3c5$7b4477a0$0900a8c0@MATT>
Message-ID: <A2C5D5B1-BBF9-4576-9A84-8666B345ABC7@bellsouth.net>

Matt,

Carlson Craft does these, but the size is 4" x 3"...

You could trim them yourself to 3"x3" if needed....

Ben Travis

Copy Express
4004-A South Blvd.
Charlotte, NC 20209
cpyxpres@bellsouth.net
704-527-1750

On Sep 10, 2007, at 12:13 PM, Matt Mewhorter, Printco wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> One of our good customers is looking for some custom sticky notes.   
> Does
> anyone have a good trade supplier for these?  I have worked with  
> Ennis in
> the past, but there is a 500 pad minimum for custom and very  
> limited options
> for the "standard" runs.
>
>
>
> They are looking for:
>
>
>
> 3" x 3"
>
> 2 PMS colors (logo only)
>
> White stock
>
>
>
> 13 versions - 10 pads of 100 each
>
>
>
> Thank you in advance!
>
>
>
> Matt Mewhorter | Printco, Inc.
>
> phone 425.255.7700 | fax 253.288.3747 | cell 206.953.6156
>
> address 32 G St NW, Ste A  Auburn, WA 98001 | e-mail  
> matt@printcoinc.com
>
>
>
> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or  
> entity to
> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged
> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use  
> of, or
> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or
> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you  
> received
> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material  
> from any
> computer.
>
>
>
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From mkb1 at good-impressions.com  Mon Sep 10 16:36:17 2007
From: mkb1 at good-impressions.com (Marian Bredin)
Date: Mon Sep 10 15:36:57 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Sticky Notes
In-Reply-To: <002901c7f3c5$7b4477a0$0900a8c0@MATT>
Message-ID: <20070910193655.4639AB5D1CF@rb.enter.net>

Try 3M Promotional Products, 800-328-2407.

They have a very extensive catalog with lots of sizes, 1-color, 2-color,
full color. We have only used them once, got good service and a nice looking
product.

Marian

Marian Bredin
Good Impressions Inc
325 W Washington Ave.
Washington, NJ 07882
908-689-3071  Fax: 908-689-7369
http://www.good-impressions.com 


From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com  Mon Sep 10 16:31:10 2007
From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn)
Date: Mon Sep 10 16:31:45 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 
Message-ID: <NCBBLKEPIPMAFICNFNJKCEOGHMAA.bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com>

You've all heard it before; you're missing a huge chance to grow your
business if you don't attend the Annual Conference. Well, it's true. I
hadn't been since 2004, and got a little lazy, and didn't attend till this
year. I'm out about $1500 for the three days. It was worth MUCH MORE. I'll
get all that back and much more in the months to come. Our industry is at an
historical turning point that poses great opportunities for those who change
and adapt. For those who don't adapt, the risks are much higher. These
conferences give you ideas on how to adapt and change and learn from others.
We have some great minds in this industry, and many of them are willing to
share information. Steve Johnson and his crew did a wonderful job assembling
the topics and talent this year.

Do yourself a favor. Treat yourself next year and go. Oh, and it's not like
3 days in Chicago on Michigan Ave. is exactly torture.

Bernie Bahn  | President | Creative Imaging Inc
1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200  | St. Louis MO 63026

Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 |
bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com

http://www.creativeimaginginc.com
Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying
From owner at latsons.com  Mon Sep 10 16:35:01 2007
From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson)
Date: Mon Sep 10 16:35:25 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] 5180 Quotes also Fiery issue
In-Reply-To: <46E57364.6040900@fmtc.com>
References: <46E57364.6040900@fmtc.com>
Message-ID: <200709102035.l8AKZ7hq022738@pro35.abac.com>

Beware of Fiery, as far as we can tell they do not have drivers for 
latest versions of Adobe.
We still are having to work around this and is very frustrating. We 
keep hearing it is Adobes' fault and Adobe says it is Fiery, and my 
Canon tech blames both!

-Dick


At 11:40 AM 9/10/2007, you wrote:

>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>Asking to find out if anybody has gotten quotes on the Canon 5180 
>with the H1 Fiery Rip?
>
>Just got quoted $17,5 on a "showroom" model, and 6.5 color and 1 
>cent black clicks. 11 x 17 one click of course.
>
>Anybody know much about it?
>
>Thanks
>
>Joe Dominick
>

Dick Latson
Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc.
1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701
Commerce, Texas 75428
(903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889
email: owner@latsons.com
www.latsons.com 

From matt at printcoinc.com  Mon Sep 10 16:47:35 2007
From: matt at printcoinc.com (Matt Mewhorter, Printco)
Date: Mon Sep 10 16:48:16 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Sticky Notes
In-Reply-To: <017101c7f3c7$c2a12290$8a00a8c0@ellsworthacer>
References: <002901c7f3c5$7b4477a0$0900a8c0@MATT>
	<017101c7f3c7$c2a12290$8a00a8c0@ellsworthacer>
Message-ID: <010501c7f3eb$d1c4aca0$0900a8c0@MATT>

Great, thank you all!

Matt Mewhorter | Printco, Inc. | 425.255.7700

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott [mailto:scottv@regalpress.net] 
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 9:29 AM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Sticky Notes

Carlson Craft has a small order program, I think. Their number is 
1-866-628-6868.

Sincerely,


Scott Vicnaire
President

Regal Printing & Graphics
140 South Main Street
Brewer, Maine  04412
207-989-4100

265 Water Street
Ellsworth, Maine  04605
207-667-5227




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matt Mewhorter, Printco" <matt@printcoinc.com>
To: <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 12:13 PM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Sticky Notes


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> One of our good customers is looking for some custom sticky notes.  Does
> anyone have a good trade supplier for these?  I have worked with Ennis in
> the past, but there is a 500 pad minimum for custom and very limited 
> options
> for the "standard" runs.
>
>
>
> They are looking for:
>
>
>
> 3" x 3"
>
> 2 PMS colors (logo only)
>
> White stock
>
>
>
> 13 versions - 10 pads of 100 each
>
>
>
> Thank you in advance!
>
>
>
> Matt Mewhorter | Printco, Inc.
>
> phone 425.255.7700 | fax 253.288.3747 | cell 206.953.6156
>
> address 32 G St NW, Ste A  Auburn, WA 98001 | e-mail matt@printcoinc.com
>
>
>
> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to
> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged
> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or
> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or
> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received
> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any
> computer.
>
>
>
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> 




From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Mon Sep 10 16:53:34 2007
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Mon Sep 10 16:52:29 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] 5180 Quotes also Fiery issue
In-Reply-To: <200709102035.l8AKZ7hq022738@pro35.abac.com>
References: <46E57364.6040900@fmtc.com>
	<200709102035.l8AKZ7hq022738@pro35.abac.com>
Message-ID: <103ED6E5-886A-49CC-A7C8-50072F0E7990@falconprintandcopy.com>

Hey Dick,

What kind of problems are you having with your Fiery/CS3?  I've  
noticed some bugs too (printing landscape instead of portrait), that  
are inconsistent but terribly annoying.  Our BW Canon is the only  
machine we have with a Fiery now.  Our Xerox has a CREO and we  
haven't had one problem with it.

Are you seeing the same kind of problems or something else?

Regards,

Borzou


-------------- next part --------------

www.falconprintandcopy.com
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134


On Sep 10, 2007, at 4:35 PM, Dick Latson wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Beware of Fiery, as far as we can tell they do not have drivers for  
> latest versions of Adobe.
> We still are having to work around this and is very frustrating. We  
> keep hearing it is Adobes' fault and Adobe says it is Fiery, and my  
> Canon tech blames both!
>
> -Dick
>
>
> At 11:40 AM 9/10/2007, you wrote:
>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> Asking to find out if anybody has gotten quotes on the Canon 5180  
>> with the H1 Fiery Rip?
>>
>> Just got quoted $17,5 on a "showroom" model, and 6.5 color and 1  
>> cent black clicks. 11 x 17 one click of course.
>>
>> Anybody know much about it?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Joe Dominick
>>
>
> Dick Latson
> Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc.
> 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701
> Commerce, Texas 75428
> (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889
> email: owner@latsons.com
> www.latsons.com
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>

From wayne at printingonline.com  Mon Sep 10 18:34:31 2007
From: wayne at printingonline.com (Wayne Yada)
Date: Mon Sep 10 18:34:04 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 
In-Reply-To: <NCBBLKEPIPMAFICNFNJKCEOGHMAA.bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com>
Message-ID: <20070910223348.ED3E0F6CA6C@barracuda2.stayonline.net>

I would add a big "AMEN" to that. It was a great conference with great
topics, speakers, and most valuable as always was the interaction with other
printers. 

The timing to coincide with Graph Expo is a great bonus, as you're only
limited by your feet as to how much you can see in 2-3 days! There were also
great deals to be made on the show floor as well.

And the double-bonus is the Michigan Avenue scene . . . it's so cool.
Everything from Bloomingdales to a very large Apple store . . . and about a
million EXCELLENT restaurants!

As Bernie said, be sure to put it on your '08 calendar NOW. Next year the
show will be October 23-26 . . . so bring your sweaters!

Wayne Yada
wayne@printingonline.com

  

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bernard Bahn
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 1:31 PM
To: multiple recipients of Print Owners
Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

You've all heard it before; you're missing a huge chance to grow your
business if you don't attend the Annual Conference. Well, it's true. I
hadn't been since 2004, and got a little lazy, and didn't attend till this
year. I'm out about $1500 for the three days. It was worth MUCH MORE. I'll
get all that back and much more in the months to come. Our industry is at an
historical turning point that poses great opportunities for those who change
and adapt. For those who don't adapt, the risks are much higher. These
conferences give you ideas on how to adapt and change and learn from others.
We have some great minds in this industry, and many of them are willing to
share information. Steve Johnson and his crew did a wonderful job assembling
the topics and talent this year.

Do yourself a favor. Treat yourself next year and go. Oh, and it's not like
3 days in Chicago on Michigan Ave. is exactly torture.

Bernie Bahn  | President | Creative Imaging Inc
1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200  | St. Louis MO 63026

Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 |
bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com

http://www.creativeimaginginc.com
Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying
_______________________________________________
PrintOwners Discussion List
Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners


From Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au  Mon Sep 10 19:28:42 2007
From: Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au (Harry Brelsford)
Date: Mon Sep 10 19:29:26 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format
In-Reply-To: <091020071154.17539.46E5307A000A76640000448322007636920902079B02079D9F979B
	079D01079D9F@comcast.net>
References: <091020071154.17539.46E5307A000A76640000448322007636920902079B02079D9F979B
	079D01079D9F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <a06230903c30b834536c5@[192.168.15.132]>


We have one of the old W8200's and it is still going strong. Good 
quality and assume newer machines even better.

Harry

>Looked at the Canon 8000 & 9000 wide format printers at graph Expo 
>yesterday.  Does anyone have any experience with these printers? 
>They look really nice for the price.
>
>Jeff Farber
>Priority Printing & Graphics
>1323 E. Main Street
>Flushing, MI 48433
>810 487-1700


-- 
Harry Brelsford

Varsity Graphics
Shop 2 - 195 Varsity Parade
Varsity Lakes QLD 4227
Australia
Ph: 61 7 5575 9417
Fax: 61 7 5575 8091
Harry@VarsityGraphics.com.au
From k_graham at hotmail.com  Tue Sep 11 00:19:52 2007
From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Sep 11 00:20:24 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] 5180 Quotes also Fiery issue
References: <46E57364.6040900@fmtc.com><200709102035.l8AKZ7hq022738@pro35.abac.com>
	<103ED6E5-886A-49CC-A7C8-50072F0E7990@falconprintandcopy.com>
Message-ID: <BAY135-DAV6029F45B217C1904DEFF3EBC10@phx.gbl>

>
> What kind of problems are you having with your Fiery/CS3?  I've
> noticed some bugs too (printing landscape instead of portrait), that
> are inconsistent but terribly annoying. >>

We had that type of problem with the Doc 12 with XP RIP - however by 
installing the driver with the Adobe PS installer 1.06 for Windows available 
off the Adobe website we got a driver install without the glitz of the Fiery 
install but everything worked. The drawback is that you can't save templates 
of multiple settings - workaround was to install printer more than once. ie 
as a black and white printer and as a color printer for instance.

Ken Graham
CommunityPrinters.com
250-782-7108
Dawson Creek BC Canada
V1G 2G5

250-782-7108




From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com  Tue Sep 11 01:37:26 2007
From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry)
Date: Tue Sep 11 01:37:52 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] fiery
Message-ID: <BAY110-DAV3E69C52BDEB39940BA0D8B6C10@phx.gbl>

We use CS3 with 3 different Fiery's.  No problems. 
LT
Tucson



Beware of Fiery, as far as we can tell they do not have drivers for 
latest versions of Adobe.
We still are having to work around this and is very frustrating. We 
keep hearing it is Adobes' fault and Adobe says it is Fiery, and my 
Canon tech blames both!

-Dick
From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com  Tue Sep 11 01:40:29 2007
From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry)
Date: Tue Sep 11 01:41:01 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Leather 3 ring binders
Message-ID: <BAY110-DAV202DC44D527AC6E5ABE976B6C10@phx.gbl>

Anyone using a good vendor for real leather 3 ring binders?   Or a very good imitation leather?  Client budget is $100 each and needs 200 to start.  Thanks,

Larry
Tucson
www.desertpacificprintng.com<http://www.desertpacificprintng.com/>


From Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au  Tue Sep 11 04:02:18 2007
From: Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au (Harry Brelsford)
Date: Tue Sep 11 04:02:53 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] 5180 Quotes also Fiery issue
In-Reply-To: <200709102035.l8AKZ7hq022738@pro35.abac.com>
References: <46E57364.6040900@fmtc.com>
	<200709102035.l8AKZ7hq022738@pro35.abac.com>
Message-ID: <a06230900c30bf37d86e6@[192.168.15.132]>


Our 5180's have the Feiry H1 rip. No problems until we installed CS3. 
We also installed new drivers from Canon for both Mac's and PC's. The 
only problem we have from CS3 is when sending say 1 x 100 prints from 
the Intel Mac's it downloads 100 times. If we save as PDF and print 
through Acrobat 7 no problems but problems direct from application 
and Acrobat 8. No problem from PC's or non Intel Mac. Only with CS3, 
all other programs print fine.

A Google search revealed a while back that others have the same 
problem but only with Intel Mac's.

Harry



>Beware of Fiery, as far as we can tell they do not have drivers for 
>latest versions of Adobe.
>We still are having to work around this and is very frustrating. We 
>keep hearing it is Adobes' fault and Adobe says it is Fiery, and my 
>Canon tech blames both!
>
>-Dick
>
>
>At 11:40 AM 9/10/2007, you wrote:
>
>>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>>Asking to find out if anybody has gotten quotes on the Canon 5180 
>>with the H1 Fiery Rip?
>>
>>Just got quoted $17,5 on a "showroom" model, and 6.5 color and 1 
>>cent black clicks. 11 x 17 one click of course.
>>
>>Anybody know much about it?
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Joe Dominick
>>
>
>Dick Latson
>Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc.
>1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701
>Commerce, Texas 75428
>(903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889
>email: owner@latsons.com
>www.latsons.com
>_______________________________________________
>PrintOwners Discussion List
>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners

From robin at protypeonline.com  Tue Sep 11 08:40:30 2007
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Tue Sep 11 08:50:51 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 
Message-ID: <074EDF7D-A951-4E33-A675-6C817937B9EA@protypeonline.com>

Wayne! :))))
only you softies from CA would think you need a sweater at the end of  
Oct. in Chicago! We finally have some fall weather and the morning  
temps are 54 and it feels wonderful -- cool and crisp and my best  
friend, Daisy, (black lab) were just outside putting some mail in the  
mailbox --
But -- the date is on my calendar!
robin

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com


From owner at latsons.com  Tue Sep 11 09:02:14 2007
From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson)
Date: Tue Sep 11 09:02:51 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Leather 3 ring binders
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-DAV202DC44D527AC6E5ABE976B6C10@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY110-DAV202DC44D527AC6E5ABE976B6C10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200709111302.l8BD2LRQ038958@pro35.abac.com>

Larry,
   You might try ABCO here in Dallas:


Custom Binder Source:
ABCO  1-800-969-2226  - Mike

-Dick



At 12:40 AM 9/11/2007, you wrote:

>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>Anyone using a good vendor for real leather 3 ring binders?   Or a 
>very good imitation leather?  Client budget is $100 each and needs 
>200 to start.  Thanks,
>
>Larry

Dick Latson
Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc.
1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701
Commerce, Texas 75428
(903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889
email: owner@latsons.com
www.latsons.com 

From owner at latsons.com  Tue Sep 11 09:45:30 2007
From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson)
Date: Tue Sep 11 09:46:07 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] 5180 Quotes also Fiery issue
In-Reply-To: <103ED6E5-886A-49CC-A7C8-50072F0E7990@falconprintandcopy.co
 m>
References: <46E57364.6040900@fmtc.com>
	<200709102035.l8AKZ7hq022738@pro35.abac.com>
	<103ED6E5-886A-49CC-A7C8-50072F0E7990@falconprintandcopy.com>
Message-ID: <200709111345.l8BDjbkv002876@pro35.abac.com>

Borzou,
We are on version CS3 10.4.10; intel core duo processor.
     One issue is that we cannot keep the jobs we send from 
duplexing. Page set up settings do not want to work properly, the 
preview does not match what happens when it prints. It wants to rip 
each copy instead of one and then print repeatedly. Same issues 
basically others have responded to this thread with. We have an 
IMac  with older versions of adobe and OS10 and we have to use it to 
send any files to the Fiery Rip on our Canon 3220.
We have been trying to be patient hoping drivers would some day show 
up on a web site somewhere.  Our Canon rep keeps checking for us, as 
of yet he has not had any luck locating new drivers. He seems to 
think it is Adobe that needs to make this happen.

     Larry, I would be interested in how your system is configured. 
Can you list the drivers you use? Are you using version 10.4, we 
wonder if an earlier version of CS3 would be a solution.
-Dick


At 03:53 PM 9/10/2007, you wrote:

>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>
>Hey Dick,
>
>What kind of problems are you having with your Fiery/CS3?  I've
>noticed some bugs too (printing landscape instead of portrait), that
>are inconsistent but terribly annoying.  Our BW Canon is the only
>machine we have with a Fiery now.  Our Xerox has a CREO and we
>haven't had one problem with it.
>
>Are you seeing the same kind of problems or something else?
>
>Regards,
>
>Borzou
>

Dick Latson
Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc.
1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701
Commerce, Texas 75428
(903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889
email: owner@latsons.com
www.latsons.com 

From yaakov at sparkdirectny.com  Tue Sep 11 10:02:08 2007
From: yaakov at sparkdirectny.com (Yaakov Reshef)
Date: Tue Sep 11 10:02:31 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Leather 3 ring binders
Message-ID: <E6E085F51F901F479BEBD4C3D4D183700F6920@server1.DISCNYC.COM>

Larry,
I have a vendor that I use for many years for stationary items,
including real leather binders.which I ordered a couple of years ago.
I called him and asked, and he wanted to know what size, what shade
etc...
If you would like, I can give you his phone # in NY.
Please e mail to me directly.

Yaakov Reshef
SPARK Direct * Kwik Kopy Printing
Marketing * Printing * Solutions

7 East 37th Street-NYC-10016
Tel:  212-328-2001
Fax: 212-328-2007(new number)
yaakov@Sparkdirectny.com 
www.sparkdirectny.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of larry
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 1:40 AM
To: Printowners
Subject: [PrintOwners] Leather 3 ring binders

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Anyone using a good vendor for real leather 3 ring binders?   Or a very
good imitation leather?  Client budget is $100 each and needs 200 to
start.  Thanks,

Larry
Tucson
www.desertpacificprintng.com<http://www.desertpacificprintng.com/>


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From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com  Tue Sep 11 10:48:55 2007
From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry)
Date: Tue Sep 11 10:49:11 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Fiery/Adobe/
Message-ID: <BAY110-DAV2C693E8F0B1C4C990BC4DB6C10@phx.gbl>

I take that back.  3 workstations have CS3.  All connected to 3 different Fiery's.  But..........

.....one workstation will not acknowledge 12X18 with one of the Fiery's.  The rest do.  We've reinstalled, checked the settings, properties, blah, blah.  No luck.

At command workstation, we can change the setting to 12X18. That's our temp workaround for that one workstation.

Canon will be in this week to replace the Fiery due to another weird issue: when we print, the output tray never stops outputting, but if we copy it stops when full.  We never copy.

As always, I can't take no for an answer, and I let Ikon know that our greatest limitation is our weakest vendor support.  And Xerox, and etc.  

I'll be sure to let them know that others are having similar problems and see what they say. 

And instead of finger pointing, each RIP is made to each individual mfg. specs, so if Canon specified something that was incompatible in their RIP, Adobe should have alerted them since they make CS3......jeeze, one seems to lose their brain when they work for a large company.

BTW, we just updated all our workstations, which were 3 years old.  What a difference in speed and screen redraws.  We had some spare flat panels gathering dust, now each station has 2 attached, and that is also very helpful.  These PC's cost the same as 3 years ago, but are so much faster.  Added a bigger, faster SAN (small area network) drive and there is NO wait to access customer files from the workstations. 

Our inbound jobs are at least 10 per day via the net, so one monitor has email on one screen at all times.  I highly recommend it.

Finally, in Word 07, we did a variable job of 2400 pages last week.  Didn't want to set it up properly in the new Fiery, so we just let it go.  It balooned up to over 2 megabytes on the rip, sending each page individually.  But, once 15% of the job was at the RIP, it began to run.....at rated speed of 65 CPM.  I like it.  The color photos looked great on Cl Linen, without those pesky lines poking through the toner.  This was on the 650 we are testing. 

Larry
Desert Pacific
Tucson
From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com  Tue Sep 11 11:05:38 2007
From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat)
Date: Tue Sep 11 11:05:52 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Leather 3 ring binders
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-DAV202DC44D527AC6E5ABE976B6C10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <HMEDIEDICMMHGNJJMLEOKEFFGFAA.richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com>

Larry,

We use Strong Leather Co.. They have great leather, quality and service.
(800) 332-6025 Tel
(978) 281-6321 Fax
www.strongleather.com


Richard Moffat

Sir Speedy
244 S.W. 6th Street
Miami, Florida 33130
(305) 285-1401 Tel
(305) 285-1402 Fax
richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com
www.sirspeedy-brickell.com


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Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 1:40 AM
To: Printowners
Subject: [PrintOwners] Leather 3 ring binders


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Anyone using a good vendor for real leather 3 ring binders?   Or a very good
imitation leather?  Client budget is $100 each and needs 200 to start.
Thanks,

Larry
Tucson
www.desertpacificprintng.com<http://www.desertpacificprintng.com/>


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From jhaas at haas-printing.com  Tue Sep 11 11:11:41 2007
From: jhaas at haas-printing.com (Jeffry Haas)
Date: Tue Sep 11 11:14:09 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] printing that can come into contact with food
Message-ID: <050d01c7f486$0ed91050$6401a8c0@PC137923033428>

I have a request to print Pizza "labels". These are the sheets that go
inside frozen pizzas, and will be in direct contact with the food. The ink
will be on the outside. I don't know much about this, and was hoping
somebody could shed some light on it.

TIA



 

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***

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(717) 761-7109 fax

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From wayne at printingonline.com  Tue Sep 11 11:22:31 2007
From: wayne at printingonline.com (Wayne Yada)
Date: Tue Sep 11 11:22:05 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 
In-Reply-To: <074EDF7D-A951-4E33-A675-6C817937B9EA@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <20070911152148.4E3F3F3FFF4@barracuda2.stayonline.net>

Say what you want, but during the rain last night, we walked from the
Intercontinental Hotel to Lawry's Prime Rib for dinner, and this "softy
California boy" was quite comfortable (thank you), being one of the few
out-of-towners on the street wearing a warm & dry jacket that also included
a hoodie! (By the way, there is no better prime rib anywhere)!

Wayne Yada
wayne@printingonline.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 5:41 AM
To: printowners printowners
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Wayne! :))))
only you softies from CA would think you need a sweater at the end of  
Oct. in Chicago! We finally have some fall weather and the morning  
temps are 54 and it feels wonderful -- cool and crisp and my best  
friend, Daisy, (black lab) were just outside putting some mail in the  
mailbox --
But -- the date is on my calendar!
robin

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
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From jedwards at printzilla.net  Tue Sep 11 11:23:35 2007
From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards)
Date: Tue Sep 11 11:27:12 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] printing that can come into contact with food
In-Reply-To: <050d01c7f486$0ed91050$6401a8c0@PC137923033428>
References: <050d01c7f486$0ed91050$6401a8c0@PC137923033428>
Message-ID: <FED94351-D884-4E51-83AA-63A8FC12996E@printzilla.net>


On Sep 11, 2007, at 10:11 AM, Jeffry Haas wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I have a request to print Pizza "labels". These are the sheets that go
> inside frozen pizzas, and will be in direct contact with the food.  
> The ink
> will be on the outside. I don't know much about this, and was hoping
> somebody could shed some light on it.


We used to do something like this for whiskey cakes. The ink, a PMS  
mix, had to be FDA approved and came from a company in or around  
Philadelphia.

Jack Edwards
Printing Plus
Oak Ridge North, Texas
From John at mpcny.com  Tue Sep 11 12:07:42 2007
From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry)
Date: Tue Sep 11 12:08:14 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: printing that can come into contact with food
In-Reply-To: <20070911152715.A6F23B635BA@rb.enter.net>
References: <20070911152715.A6F23B635BA@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <004001c7f48d$e24cab70$a6e60250$@com>


Just use a soy-based ink <G>


John M. Henry
Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
125-129 East First Street
Oswego, New York 13126
(315) 343-3531
(315) 343-3577 Fax
www.mpcny.com
John@mpcny.com

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From stalprint at charter.net  Tue Sep 11 12:12:20 2007
From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings)
Date: Tue Sep 11 12:12:25 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference
In-Reply-To: <20070910223348.ED3E0F6CA6C@barracuda2.stayonline.net>
References: <20070910223348.ED3E0F6CA6C@barracuda2.stayonline.net>
Message-ID: <46E6BE64.4040603@charter.net>

Wayne also come back with a good prize at one of the vendor booths also!!
(No, it was NOT at 4over.com with the Vegas show girls)


Wayne Yada wrote:

>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>I would add a big "AMEN" to that. It was a great conference with great
>topics, speakers, and most valuable as always was the interaction with other
>printers. 
>
>The timing to coincide with Graph Expo is a great bonus, as you're only
>limited by your feet as to how much you can see in 2-3 days! There were also
>great deals to be made on the show floor as well.
>
>And the double-bonus is the Michigan Avenue scene . . . it's so cool.
>Everything from Bloomingdales to a very large Apple store . . . and about a
>million EXCELLENT restaurants!
>
>As Bernie said, be sure to put it on your '08 calendar NOW. Next year the
>show will be October 23-26 . . . so bring your sweaters!
>
>Wayne Yada
>wayne@printingonline.com
>
>  
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
>[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bernard Bahn
>Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 1:31 PM
>To: multiple recipients of Print Owners
>Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 
>
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>You've all heard it before; you're missing a huge chance to grow your
>business if you don't attend the Annual Conference. Well, it's true. I
>hadn't been since 2004, and got a little lazy, and didn't attend till this
>year. I'm out about $1500 for the three days. It was worth MUCH MORE. I'll
>get all that back and much more in the months to come. Our industry is at an
>historical turning point that poses great opportunities for those who change
>and adapt. For those who don't adapt, the risks are much higher. These
>conferences give you ideas on how to adapt and change and learn from others.
>We have some great minds in this industry, and many of them are willing to
>share information. Steve Johnson and his crew did a wonderful job assembling
>the topics and talent this year.
>
>Do yourself a favor. Treat yourself next year and go. Oh, and it's not like
>3 days in Chicago on Michigan Ave. is exactly torture.
>
>Bernie Bahn  | President | Creative Imaging Inc
>1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200  | St. Louis MO 63026
>
>Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 |
>bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com
>
>http://www.creativeimaginginc.com
>Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying
>_______________________________________________
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>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>
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>
>
>  
>

-- 
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Stallings Printing
828-758-1126
stalprint@charter.net
Lenoir, NC 28645

From joe at colorcraftprinting.com  Tue Sep 11 12:31:15 2007
From: joe at colorcraftprinting.com (Joe Nutile)
Date: Tue Sep 11 12:31:38 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] printing that can come into contact with food
In-Reply-To: <050d01c7f486$0ed91050$6401a8c0@PC137923033428>
References: <050d01c7f486$0ed91050$6401a8c0@PC137923033428>
Message-ID: <4D8895DA-87E6-461C-9ABB-63B8654E7211@colorcraftprinting.com>

try colorcon

www.colorcon.com

Joe

On Sep 11, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Jeffry Haas wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I have a request to print Pizza "labels". These are the sheets that go
> inside frozen pizzas, and will be in direct contact with the food.  
> The ink
> will be on the outside. I don't know much about this, and was hoping
> somebody could shed some light on it.
>
> TIA
>
>
>
>
>
> ********************************************************************** 
> ******
> ***
>
>  Promote your business with Advertising Specialties from HAAS!
>
>   Pens, Pencils, Mugs, Hats, Shirts and more . . . (717) 761-0277
>
>               Great Pricing with Fast Turnarounds!
>
> ********************************************************************** 
> ******
> **
>
>
>
> Jeff Haas
>
> HAAS Printing Co., Inc.
>
> 1000 Hummel Avenue
>
> Lemoyne, PA 17043
>
> (717) 761-0277 phone
>
> (717) 761-7109 fax
>
> www.haas-printing.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
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Joe Nutile
ColorCraft Printing
805-461-3742
http:www.colorcraftprinting.com

Commercial and Digital Printing



From char at themasterspress.com  Tue Sep 11 13:15:45 2007
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Tue Sep 11 13:14:16 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 
In-Reply-To: <20070910223348.ED3E0F6CA6C@barracuda2.stayonline.net>
References: <NCBBLKEPIPMAFICNFNJKCEOGHMAA.bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com>
	<20070910223348.ED3E0F6CA6C@barracuda2.stayonline.net>
Message-ID: <021801c7f497$6c6de950$0b01a8c0@CharXP>

I just got back in this morning and echo everyone's comment.  I think we had
a great conference and there was a lot of energy.  The time with the
suppliers on Friday nite was very enjoyable and I learned a number of things
from them.  A good discount from DHL even over what I have now, is one of
them.  My mind is too fried to think of anything else right now.
We had over 300 people registered and it was fun seeing people.  Although
there are a lot of you seems like I didn't get to see or talk to.  I missed
the "top of the roof" party.  I think I am getting old.  :-)  Robin we
missed you all during the conference.  Thought about you a lot.  Just wasn't
the same.  
Put it on your calendar NOW for next year. 
Jeff helped put a lot of this together.  Jeff, thank you, you did a great
job.  Thanks for all of your hard work.  
Raise those prices - $2.00 NOW to save money for next year.
ch


Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Wayne Yada
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 5:35 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I would add a big "AMEN" to that. It was a great conference with great
topics, speakers, and most valuable as always was the interaction with other
printers. 

The timing to coincide with Graph Expo is a great bonus, as you're only
limited by your feet as to how much you can see in 2-3 days! There were also
great deals to be made on the show floor as well.

And the double-bonus is the Michigan Avenue scene . . . it's so cool.
Everything from Bloomingdales to a very large Apple store . . . and about a
million EXCELLENT restaurants!

As Bernie said, be sure to put it on your '08 calendar NOW. Next year the
show will be October 23-26 . . . so bring your sweaters!

Wayne Yada
wayne@printingonline.com

  


From stalprint at charter.net  Tue Sep 11 13:18:54 2007
From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings)
Date: Tue Sep 11 13:18:54 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference
In-Reply-To: <46E6BE64.4040603@charter.net>
References: <20070910223348.ED3E0F6CA6C@barracuda2.stayonline.net>
	<46E6BE64.4040603@charter.net>
Message-ID: <46E6CDFE.8000701@charter.net>

Before I get him in too much trouble...
He ended up with a little over $ 30.00 in some type of treasure hunt 
game at one of the booths
Way to go Wayne!!

Hope to see everyone next year



Mark Stallings wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Wayne also come back with a good prize at one of the vendor booths also!!
> (No, it was NOT at 4over.com with the Vegas show girls)
>
>
> Wayne Yada wrote:
>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> I would add a big "AMEN" to that. It was a great conference with great
>> topics, speakers, and most valuable as always was the interaction 
>> with other
>> printers.
>> The timing to coincide with Graph Expo is a great bonus, as you're only
>> limited by your feet as to how much you can see in 2-3 days! There 
>> were also
>> great deals to be made on the show floor as well.
>>
>> And the double-bonus is the Michigan Avenue scene . . . it's so cool.
>> Everything from Bloomingdales to a very large Apple store . . . and 
>> about a
>> million EXCELLENT restaurants!
>>
>> As Bernie said, be sure to put it on your '08 calendar NOW. Next year 
>> the
>> show will be October 23-26 . . . so bring your sweaters!
>>
>> Wayne Yada
>> wayne@printingonline.com
>>
>>  
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
>> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bernard Bahn
>> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 1:31 PM
>> To: multiple recipients of Print Owners
>> Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> You've all heard it before; you're missing a huge chance to grow your
>> business if you don't attend the Annual Conference. Well, it's true. I
>> hadn't been since 2004, and got a little lazy, and didn't attend till 
>> this
>> year. I'm out about $1500 for the three days. It was worth MUCH MORE. 
>> I'll
>> get all that back and much more in the months to come. Our industry 
>> is at an
>> historical turning point that poses great opportunities for those who 
>> change
>> and adapt. For those who don't adapt, the risks are much higher. These
>> conferences give you ideas on how to adapt and change and learn from 
>> others.
>> We have some great minds in this industry, and many of them are 
>> willing to
>> share information. Steve Johnson and his crew did a wonderful job 
>> assembling
>> the topics and talent this year.
>>
>> Do yourself a favor. Treat yourself next year and go. Oh, and it's 
>> not like
>> 3 days in Chicago on Michigan Ave. is exactly torture.
>>
>> Bernie Bahn  | President | Creative Imaging Inc
>> 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200  | St. Louis MO 63026
>>
>> Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 |
>> bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com
>>
>> http://www.creativeimaginginc.com
>> Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying
>> _______________________________________________
>> PrintOwners Discussion List
>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> PrintOwners Discussion List
>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>

-- 
Mark Stallings
Stallings Printing
828-758-1126
stalprint@charter.net
Lenoir, NC 28645

From ed at graphicprintersinc.com  Tue Sep 11 13:57:48 2007
From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce)
Date: Tue Sep 11 13:57:44 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 
In-Reply-To: <021801c7f497$6c6de950$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
Message-ID: <00b401c7f49d$4470bb70$5a01a8c0@fileserver>

Did anyone talk to any of the Konica people and if so what is the outlook
for them in the print for pay market especially in the smaller markets.

Any other tidbits about Konica would be helpful if you know anything.

Ed Pierce
Graphic Print & Communication
Meridian MS 
601-485-7088
ed@graphicprintersinc.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 12:16 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I just got back in this morning and echo everyone's comment.  I think we had
a great conference and there was a lot of energy.  The time with the
suppliers on Friday nite was very enjoyable and I learned a number of things
from them.  A good discount from DHL even over what I have now, is one of
them.  My mind is too fried to think of anything else right now.
We had over 300 people registered and it was fun seeing people.  Although
there are a lot of you seems like I didn't get to see or talk to.  I missed
the "top of the roof" party.  I think I am getting old.  :-)  Robin we
missed you all during the conference.  Thought about you a lot.  Just wasn't
the same.  
Put it on your calendar NOW for next year. 
Jeff helped put a lot of this together.  Jeff, thank you, you did a great
job.  Thanks for all of your hard work.  
Raise those prices - $2.00 NOW to save money for next year.
ch


Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Wayne Yada
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 5:35 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I would add a big "AMEN" to that. It was a great conference with great
topics, speakers, and most valuable as always was the interaction with other
printers. 

The timing to coincide with Graph Expo is a great bonus, as you're only
limited by your feet as to how much you can see in 2-3 days! There were also
great deals to be made on the show floor as well.

And the double-bonus is the Michigan Avenue scene . . . it's so cool.
Everything from Bloomingdales to a very large Apple store . . . and about a
million EXCELLENT restaurants!

As Bernie said, be sure to put it on your '08 calendar NOW. Next year the
show will be October 23-26 . . . so bring your sweaters!

Wayne Yada
wayne@printingonline.com

  


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From keli at parchmentpress.net  Tue Sep 11 14:06:24 2007
From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie)
Date: Tue Sep 11 14:06:38 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Pdf color conversion
Message-ID: <46E6D920.2080104@parchmentpress.net>

I have a pdf that the color is all BLACK.
The job use to be done offset.
I now need to do the job digitally.
I need to change the color from black to Pantone 469 (brown)

How can I do it or can anyone quickly do it for me?

thanks,
Michael Markuson (aka Keli)
Parchment Press
52 S River St
Coxsackie, NY 12051
From arvadaprintery2 at qwest.net  Tue Sep 11 14:26:49 2007
From: arvadaprintery2 at qwest.net (Keith Herron)
Date: Tue Sep 11 14:27:02 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Pdf color conversion
In-Reply-To: <46E6D920.2080104@parchmentpress.net>
References: <46E6D920.2080104@parchmentpress.net>
Message-ID: <e0e5ade6660e5ee60a9bbfd4b8835299@qwest.net>

Open it in Photoshop, change it to a tiff, import into InDesign and 
assign the PMS color.
Multiple up it and print it from InDesign.
Call me for step-by-step.

Keith Herron
The Printery, Inc.
Arvada, Colorado
303-422-5033
www.arvadaprintery.com



On Sep 11, 2007, at 12:06 PM, Keli of Coxsackie wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I have a pdf that the color is all BLACK.
> The job use to be done offset.
> I now need to do the job digitally.
> I need to change the color from black to Pantone 469 (brown)
>
> How can I do it or can anyone quickly do it for me?
>
> thanks,
> Michael Markuson (aka Keli)
> Parchment Press
> 52 S River St
> Coxsackie, NY 12051
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>

From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Tue Sep 11 14:39:20 2007
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Tue Sep 11 14:38:13 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Pdf color conversion
In-Reply-To: <46E6D920.2080104@parchmentpress.net>
References: <46E6D920.2080104@parchmentpress.net>
Message-ID: <C6A3861D-57B7-44EC-B57A-E6C4C343262E@falconprintandcopy.com>

Take it in Photoshop, make it a duotone, and make the one color 469.   
(Its actually a monotone, but the setting is still duotone.

Regards,

Borzou


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On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:06 PM, Keli of Coxsackie wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I have a pdf that the color is all BLACK.
> The job use to be done offset.
> I now need to do the job digitally.
> I need to change the color from black to Pantone 469 (brown)
>
> How can I do it or can anyone quickly do it for me?
>
> thanks,
> Michael Markuson (aka Keli)
> Parchment Press
> 52 S River St
> Coxsackie, NY 12051
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>

From greg at ajprinting.com  Tue Sep 11 14:58:54 2007
From: greg at ajprinting.com (Greg Johnston)
Date: Tue Sep 11 14:59:19 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Chicago this year and Next
In-Reply-To: <B1C6CBAC-2B32-4D86-BB19-C47FD7A5F148@interiorgraphics.com>
References: <63616BC5-CF32-4EA5-8C29-A57DD2F2EC97@protypeonline.com>
	<B1C6CBAC-2B32-4D86-BB19-C47FD7A5F148@interiorgraphics.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070911115752.03539de0@ajprinting.com>

Next year Graph Expo is from Oct 26-29 so yes it's a little later in 
the year. I just got back and it was awesome. This was my first 
Chicago show and what an experience.

Now back to work.




At 06:07 PM 9/7/2007, you wrote:
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>Hey Lady!
>
>It's hunting season here, so my husband is out of town which leaves
>nobody to watch my daughter.  I'm hoping next year will be a little
>later in the season - I really wish I was there too!  I had a great
>time last year, learned a bunch, met some terrific people and made
>some great memories.  Sorry to hear about your back - I hope you get
>it fixed soon.
>
>
>Michelle Maynor
>"Your Personal Printer"
>Interior Graphics & Printing
>770 8th Avenue
>Fairbanks, AK 99701
>907.456.4982 phone
>907.452.6992 fax
>
>
>
>On Sep 7, 2007, at 4:02 PM, Robin Niewold wrote:
>
>>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>>Darn, here I am on Friday of the NAQP Conference in Chicago --
>>watching Wheel of Fortune and waiting for Jim to bring home
>>pizza.....meanwhile my printing associates and friends are on the
>>2nd or 3rd floor of the InterContinental Hotel on N. Mich. Avenue
>>having the time of their lives -- having drinks and appetizers and
>>schmoozing with each other and maybe some of the vendors at the
>>Supplier event -- and then out to dinner to discuss the issues they
>>didn't get resolved during the day or over appetizers.
>>DARN! I'm missing a great time! I almost changed my mind last week
>>and un-did my cancelled hotel and conference registration.
>>fortunately, I did not - my back is giving me fits -- heading to
>>Chicago on Tuesday to get a 2nd opinion. First opinion last Wed.
>>said that surgery would help -- spinal fusion -- 3 vertebrae, 2
>>levels, L5 S1 and L4.
>>Why aren't you in Chicago?
>>Robin
>>
>>Robin Niewold
>>Pro-Type Printing
>>130 N. Market Street
>>Paxton, IL 60957
>>217.379.4715
>>robin@protypeonline.com
>>
>>
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From mark at newprinting.com  Tue Sep 11 15:04:12 2007
From: mark at newprinting.com (Mark Weinfurter)
Date: Tue Sep 11 15:04:38 2007
Subject: Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] printing that can come into contact with
	food
In-Reply-To: <20070911180643.03B73B6448C@rb.enter.net>
References: <20070911180643.03B73B6448C@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <0d612b2fd7c7003e1efba9b411bb19fd@newprinting.com>

I don't think soy ink will pass.  I believe you must use an FDA 
approved ink.  Colorcon is the only supplier I know of.  The ink is 
quite expensive, and you must buy minimums.

It runs quite similar to normal inks.

Thanks,

Mark Weinfurter
N. E. W. Printing
1718 E. Wisconsin Ave.
Appleton, WI 54911
1-888-563-0400
Fax 920-735-9945
www.newprinting.com
mark@newprinting.com
'A very cool web 
site...www.newprinting.com'------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:31:15 -0700
> From: Joe Nutile <joe@colorcraftprinting.com>
> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] printing that can come into contact with
> 	food
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> 	<printowners@printweb.org>
> Message-ID:
> 	<4D8895DA-87E6-461C-9ABB-63B8654E7211@colorcraftprinting.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> try colorcon
>
> www.colorcon.com
>
> Joe
>
> On Sep 11, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Jeffry Haas wrote:
>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> I have a request to print Pizza "labels". These are the sheets that go
>> inside frozen pizzas, and will be in direct contact with the food.
>> The ink
>> will be on the outside. I don't know much about this, and was hoping
>> somebody could shed some light on it.
>>
>> TIA
>>

From dennis.trump at gmail.com  Tue Sep 11 15:09:22 2007
From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump)
Date: Tue Sep 11 15:09:40 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference
In-Reply-To: <NCBBLKEPIPMAFICNFNJKCEOGHMAA.bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com>
References: <NCBBLKEPIPMAFICNFNJKCEOGHMAA.bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com>
Message-ID: <41aa6a080709111209k4c3a9c0aycff08bbbbc5fe341@mail.gmail.com>

Well I'm back from Chicago also and what a great time. I've got a shopping
list of things to follow up on and a couple of big ticket items I'm
interested in looking into further. Yes one of the items was the Konica
6500.

I missed the evening at Lawry's with Wayne but didn't miss a minute of all
the other fun. I have some great highlights of a dinner at Ditka's and I
think I have a very grainy photo of Eric Pearson chewing on the bone of a 2
pound steak. I don''t always remember dinners with Eric clearly because he
has a penchant for a four olive martini that I feel obliged to participate
in out of respect. The impromptu party on the roof of Rock Bottom Brewery
was fun but I was trying to hold back some that night although I was
downwind of Scott and caught a whiff of tequila. Others in the party picked
up the slack for me that night.

Got to meet a few new faces and as I get back I'm really disappointed I
didn't get to talk more with other people. It seems like a lot of stuff to
cram into in four or five days. Charlene deserves a thanks for getting her
friend from Texas to close out the conference. She is an outrageous hoot and
I doubt I could have laughed any harder. Make plans now to go next year!

-- 
Dennis Trump
Trump Direct
*a print and direct mail communcations company*
Decatur IL
www.trumpdirect.com
trump@trumpdirect.com
217.429.9001
From keli at parchmentpress.net  Tue Sep 11 15:35:02 2007
From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie)
Date: Tue Sep 11 15:35:15 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Pdf color conversion
In-Reply-To: <C6A3861D-57B7-44EC-B57A-E6C4C343262E@falconprintandcopy.com>
References: <46E6D920.2080104@parchmentpress.net>
	<C6A3861D-57B7-44EC-B57A-E6C4C343262E@falconprintandcopy.com>
Message-ID: <46E6EDE6.2050501@parchmentpress.net>

IN attempting this under my ado files - I only see 478 brown - not 
pantone 469
Where can I get 469 brown?

thanks
Keli

Borzou Azabdaftari wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>   
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Take it in Photoshop, make it a duotone, and make the one color 469.  
> (Its actually a monotone, but the setting is still duotone.
>
> Regards,
>
> Borzou
>
>
>
> www.falconprintandcopy.com
> t.703.442.0124
> f.703.442.0134
>
>
> On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:06 PM, Keli of Coxsackie wrote:
>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> I have a pdf that the color is all BLACK.
>> The job use to be done offset.
>> I now need to do the job digitally.
>> I need to change the color from black to Pantone 469 (brown)
>>
>> How can I do it or can anyone quickly do it for me?
>>
>> thanks,
>> Michael Markuson (aka Keli)
>> Parchment Press
>> 52 S River St
>> Coxsackie, NY 12051
>> _______________________________________________
>> PrintOwners Discussion List
>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>>
>>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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>   
From yaakov at sparkdirectny.com  Tue Sep 11 15:35:02 2007
From: yaakov at sparkdirectny.com (Yaakov Reshef)
Date: Tue Sep 11 15:35:26 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Konica Minolta in the print for pay market.
Message-ID: <E6E085F51F901F479BEBD4C3D4D183700F696A@server1.DISCNYC.COM>

Ed,
I talked to them again (and again...) about my issues.
It seems that they have the proper general attitude, but they do
everything so sloooooooow...
I think that they did not yet adopt the principals of servicing our
market; they have many layers of "decision makers" and every decision
that is not standard decision takes months and months to get to.
I have no idea how long it will take them to get to where we want them
to be, but I really hope it will happen.

Yaakov Reshef
SPARK Direct * Kwik Kopy Printing
Marketing * Printing * Solutions

7 East 37th Street-NYC-10016
Tel:  212-328-2001
Fax: 212-328-2007(new number)
yaakov@Sparkdirectny.com 
www.sparkdirectny.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ed Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 1:58 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Did anyone talk to any of the Konica people and if so what is the
outlook
for them in the print for pay market especially in the smaller markets.

Any other tidbits about Konica would be helpful if you know anything.

Ed Pierce
Graphic Print & Communication
Meridian MS 
601-485-7088
ed@graphicprintersinc.com
From ed at graphicprintersinc.com  Tue Sep 11 16:07:22 2007
From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce)
Date: Tue Sep 11 16:07:15 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Konica Minolta in the print for pay market.
In-Reply-To: <E6E085F51F901F479BEBD4C3D4D183700F696A@server1.DISCNYC.COM>
Message-ID: <00d201c7f4af$5dd47f90$5a01a8c0@fileserver>

Thanks Yaakov. That is what I am seeing on my local level as well and not
only is it frustrating my local dealer but is about to lose them a sale. The
district sales rep for Konica doesn't seem to know anything or doesn't care
enough to help his dealer. It's hard to tell which.

Ed Pierce
Graphic Print & Communication
Meridian MS 
601-485-7088
ed@graphicprintersinc.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Yaakov Reshef
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 2:35 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] Konica Minolta in the print for pay market.

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Ed,
I talked to them again (and again...) about my issues.
It seems that they have the proper general attitude, but they do
everything so sloooooooow...
I think that they did not yet adopt the principals of servicing our
market; they have many layers of "decision makers" and every decision
that is not standard decision takes months and months to get to.
I have no idea how long it will take them to get to where we want them
to be, but I really hope it will happen.

Yaakov Reshef
SPARK Direct * Kwik Kopy Printing
Marketing * Printing * Solutions

7 East 37th Street-NYC-10016
Tel:  212-328-2001
Fax: 212-328-2007(new number)
yaakov@Sparkdirectny.com 
www.sparkdirectny.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ed Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 1:58 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Did anyone talk to any of the Konica people and if so what is the
outlook
for them in the print for pay market especially in the smaller markets.

Any other tidbits about Konica would be helpful if you know anything.

Ed Pierce
Graphic Print & Communication
Meridian MS 
601-485-7088
ed@graphicprintersinc.com
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From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com  Tue Sep 11 16:07:29 2007
From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (Larry Taylor)
Date: Tue Sep 11 16:07:43 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] CS3/Adobe/Print Driver problems/Canon
Message-ID: <BAY110-F409849BC12932C954B3AD0B6C10@phx.gbl>

I'm not sure of what version CS3 we are using.  Photoshop is 10;   In Design 
is 5.0, and Illustrator is 13.0.2.

Print drivers:   Fiery EX2000d is version 3 driving a Doc 2045 using Driver 
Version 5.2.3790.122 .  Another is Fiery S450 version 3 using  Driver 
Version 5.2.3790.122 on a CPP650; another is driving a 3200 Version 2 with 
driver version 5.2.3790.122

all the above use the same driver version;  all working fine.  My mistake 
about one driver missing the 12 x 18 paper.

Here's a problem we have printing to an 8500....after 2 or 3 single prints, 
we lose connection to all printers!  It is a canon embedded postscript 
driver.

Only happens on the 8500 with CS3 but NOT with Acrobat 8 or higher.  Our new 
PC's are C2Duo's

What do you mean about your CS3 version 10.4.10?


Larry Taylor
Desert Pacific Printing.com
Tucson, AZ
520-745-8004








We are on version CS3 10.4.10; intel core duo processor.
     One issue is that we cannot keep the jobs we send from
duplexing. Page set up settings do not want to work properly, the
preview does not match what happens when it prints. It wants to rip
each copy instead of one and then print repeatedly. Same issues
basically others have responded to this thread with. We have an
IMac  with older versions of adobe and OS10 and we have to use it to
send any files to the Fiery Rip on our Canon 3220.
We have been trying to be patient hoping drivers would some day show
up on a web site somewhere.  Our Canon rep keeps checking for us, as
of yet he has not had any luck locating new drivers. He seems to
think it is Adobe that needs to make this happen.

     Larry, I would be interested in how your system is configured.
Can you list the drivers you use? Are you using version 10.4, we
wonder if an earlier version of CS3 would be a solution.
-Dick


From printer at ptialaska.net  Tue Sep 11 16:21:32 2007
From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln)
Date: Tue Sep 11 16:21:48 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] CS3/Adobe/Print Driver problems/Canon
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-F409849BC12932C954B3AD0B6C10@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY110-F409849BC12932C954B3AD0B6C10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <34C669B2-47F8-44D3-92DE-263CD698547E@ptialaska.net>


On Sep 11, 2007, at 12:07 PM, Larry Taylor wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I'm not sure of what version CS3 we are using.  Photoshop is 10;    
> In Design is 5.0, and Illustrator is 13.0.2.
>
> Print drivers:   Fiery EX2000d is version 3 driving a Doc 2045  
> using Driver Version 5.2.3790.122 .  Another is Fiery S450 version  
> 3 using  Driver Version 5.2.3790.122 on a CPP650; another is  
> driving a 3200 Version 2 with driver version 5.2.3790.122
>
> all the above use the same driver version;  all working fine.  My  
> mistake about one driver missing the 12 x 18 paper.
>
> Here's a problem we have printing to an 8500....after 2 or 3 single  
> prints, we lose connection to all printers!  It is a canon embedded  
> postscript driver.
>
> Only happens on the 8500 with CS3 but NOT with Acrobat 8 or  
> higher.  Our new PC's are C2Duo's
>
> What do you mean about your CS3 version 10.4.10?



REPLY:
Are you running VISTA?



_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

Charles Lincoln
ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
612 30th Avenue
Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
(907) 451-1111
fax (907) 451-4511

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

From kellycrom at gmail.com  Tue Sep 11 16:30:53 2007
From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics)
Date: Tue Sep 11 16:29:29 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] printing that can come into contact with food
In-Reply-To: <4D8895DA-87E6-461C-9ABB-63B8654E7211@colorcraftprinting.com>
References: <050d01c7f486$0ed91050$6401a8c0@PC137923033428>
	<4D8895DA-87E6-461C-9ABB-63B8654E7211@colorcraftprinting.com>
Message-ID: <05dd01c7f4b2$a7415060$6d01a8c0@KELLY>

Joe is correct.
I think Colorcon is one of the only companies that make the ink. I think the
last time we had to buy some was over 5 years ago, and they had a 5# minimum
order, and, back then, it was over $20/lb.

Kelly Crom
Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.

We've Moved!!!
2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
Plymouth, MN  55441
New Phone:  (763)231-6970
kellycrom@gmail.com
www.applied-graphics.com 

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org 
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Joe Nutile
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 11:31 AM
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] printing that can come into 
> contact with food
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> try colorcon
> 
> www.colorcon.com
> 
> Joe
> 
> On Sep 11, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Jeffry Haas wrote:
> 
> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> >
> > I have a request to print Pizza "labels". These are the 
> sheets that go
> > inside frozen pizzas, and will be in direct contact with the food.  
> > The ink
> > will be on the outside. I don't know much about this, and was hoping
> > somebody could shed some light on it.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> **************************************************************
> ******** 
> > ******
> > ***
> >
> >  Promote your business with Advertising Specialties from HAAS!
> >
> >   Pens, Pencils, Mugs, Hats, Shirts and more . . . (717) 761-0277
> >
> >               Great Pricing with Fast Turnarounds!
> >
> > 
> **************************************************************
> ******** 
> > ******
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> > Jeff Haas
> >
> > HAAS Printing Co., Inc.
> >
> > 1000 Hummel Avenue
> >
> > Lemoyne, PA 17043
> >
> > (717) 761-0277 phone
> >
> > (717) 761-7109 fax
> >
> > www.haas-printing.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > PrintOwners Discussion List
> > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> >
> 
> Joe Nutile
> ColorCraft Printing
> 805-461-3742
> http:www.colorcraftprinting.com
> 
> Commercial and Digital Printing
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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From ncgill at gillprintandgraphics.com  Tue Sep 11 15:44:46 2007
From: ncgill at gillprintandgraphics.com (ncgill@gillprintandgraphics.com)
Date: Tue Sep 11 16:39:49 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] four color raised print
Message-ID: <000801c7f4ac$3572d9a0$6309a8c0@MINIME>

Hi Guys & Gals,
Hope someone out there has a vendor for quality four color raised business cards. We have several large companies we do business cards for with pms color match logo and we have to have very high quality. I have not been able to use the local trade wholesalers for this work. Delivery and Quality are a must.

Thanks for your help

Nancy Gill
GillPrint and Graphics
2310 Park Place Dr
Gretna, Louisiana 70056
(504) 392-9600
From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Tue Sep 11 17:03:40 2007
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Tue Sep 11 17:03:51 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] four color raised print
In-Reply-To: <000801c7f4ac$3572d9a0$6309a8c0@MINIME>
References: <000801c7f4ac$3572d9a0$6309a8c0@MINIME>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0709111403t696338f2j66e14d7cb2d32a4d@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/11/07, ncgill@gillprintandgraphics.com
<ncgill@gillprintandgraphics.com> wrote:
>
> Hope someone out there has a vendor for quality four color raised business cards. We have several large companies we do business cards for with pms color match logo and we have to have very high quality.

To my thinking, "thermography" and "very high quality" business cards
are mutually exclusive. Add to this the unlikelihood of *matching* a
PMS color in a gang-run process color job (even assuming there is a
close cmyk equivalent), and you're asking for trouble. The process
color thermography that I've seen is garbage. I would explain to the
customer that the quality potential of flat-printed cards is much
greater than that of thermography, and point them to some high-quality
heavier stocks instead.


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com

====================================
Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
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From char at themasterspress.com  Tue Sep 11 17:13:01 2007
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Tue Sep 11 17:11:16 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 
In-Reply-To: <00b401c7f49d$4470bb70$5a01a8c0@fileserver>
References: <021801c7f497$6c6de950$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
	<00b401c7f49d$4470bb70$5a01a8c0@fileserver>
Message-ID: <002401c7f4b8$8909d030$0b01a8c0@CharXP>

Ed, I talked to Chuck some this past weekend and also his new boss who was
at the conference, Fred.  I have no idea where their BC's are right now but
as I unpack I will send out that info.  Fred said they knew they has some
slack in the print for pay market and that is one of the reasons that he was
hired or moved into the position he is in.  His and Chuck's jobs are to fine
tune that market.  But true they have a long long way to go.  I think they
have the desire but just not the knowledge and abilities quite yet.  They
have only seriously been in this market for maybe 2 years.  So I know it is
going to be a process for them to get up and meet our expectations.  Time
will help but I am sure you are like me and want it now.  I was pretty
frustrated and angry with them, and they finally escalated it up, got me a
new rip and my C500 is back to like it was when I was loving it for the
first year.  If you have not called Chuck personally, call him.  If you have
not gotten the answer you want, ask him to escalate it or let you talk to
Fred.  They sponsored the conference and one of the lunches, and are wanting
to learn and grow.  But growing is always a process.  It is to our advantage
to help them get where WE want them to be.  :-)  They don't have to know
that. I will be in and out this week but if that does not work - call me.
Ch

Chuck Slaughter - 214.697.3455

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com
-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ed Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 12:58 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Did anyone talk to any of the Konica people and if so what is the outlook
for them in the print for pay market especially in the smaller markets.

Any other tidbits about Konica would be helpful if you know anything.

Ed Pierce
Graphic Print & Communication
Meridian MS 
601-485-7088
ed@graphicprintersinc.com
 


From printer at ptialaska.net  Tue Sep 11 17:14:55 2007
From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln)
Date: Tue Sep 11 17:15:22 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 
In-Reply-To: <002401c7f4b8$8909d030$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
References: <021801c7f497$6c6de950$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
	<00b401c7f49d$4470bb70$5a01a8c0@fileserver>
	<002401c7f4b8$8909d030$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
Message-ID: <D9CA808A-F82B-455C-94A2-007ADE595528@ptialaska.net>


On Sep 11, 2007, at 1:13 PM, Charlene Sims wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> I was pretty
> frustrated and angry with them, and they finally escalated it up,  
> got me a
> new rip and my C500 is back to like it was when I was loving it for  
> the
> first year.  If you have not called Chuck personally, call him.




REPLY:
What RIP did they get you???

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

Charles Lincoln
ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
612 30th Avenue
Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
(907) 451-1111
fax (907) 451-4511

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com  Tue Sep 11 17:17:14 2007
From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake)
Date: Tue Sep 11 17:18:39 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] four color raised print
In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0709111403t696338f2j66e14d7cb2d32a4d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000801c7f4ac$3572d9a0$6309a8c0@MINIME>
	<98f5b19a0709111403t696338f2j66e14d7cb2d32a4d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAAMhR1sICIzFLj2Tz5fIdk6kBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>

Carrying this a little further, but doesn't the "raised" ink come from a
plastic additive that expands when heated? If so, that would cause colors to
run/expand whatever you want to call it and cause real color problems. If
I'm mistaken, please correct me so I learn something new today and can then
go home smarter than I came in this morning. 


Mark Lake
PIP Printing
368 Jefferson Street
Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235
920.743.7370     920.743.4633 Fax
www.pipsturgeonbay.com      
Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com
 
To send a file to us, please use the link below
http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 4:04 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] four color raised print

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

On 9/11/07, ncgill@gillprintandgraphics.com
<ncgill@gillprintandgraphics.com> wrote:
>
> Hope someone out there has a vendor for quality four color raised business
cards. We have several large companies we do business cards for with pms
color match logo and we have to have very high quality.

To my thinking, "thermography" and "very high quality" business cards are
mutually exclusive. Add to this the unlikelihood of *matching* a PMS color
in a gang-run process color job (even assuming there is a close cmyk
equivalent), and you're asking for trouble. The process color thermography
that I've seen is garbage. I would explain to the customer that the quality
potential of flat-printed cards is much greater than that of thermography,
and point them to some high-quality heavier stocks instead.


--
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com

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From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Tue Sep 11 17:27:26 2007
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Tue Sep 11 17:27:42 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] four color raised print
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAAMhR1sICIzFLj2Tz5fIdk6kBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>
References: <000801c7f4ac$3572d9a0$6309a8c0@MINIME>
	<98f5b19a0709111403t696338f2j66e14d7cb2d32a4d@mail.gmail.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAAMhR1sICIzFLj2Tz5fIdk6kBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0709111427g76426791i7d2ccf0477114bf4@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/11/07, Mark Lake <mark@pipsturgeonbay.com> wrote:
>
> Carrying this a little further, but doesn't the "raised" ink come from a
> plastic additive that expands when heated? If so, that would cause colors to
> run/expand whatever you want to call it and cause real color problems.

I don't think so, Mark. I don't do thermography (and order it as
infrequently as possible), but I believe the powder that's heated for
"raising" is clear. (I'm sure many will correct me if I'm wrong <g>).
Process color *can* be done in thermography, I've just never seen it
look like anything I'd ever call "high quality."

-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com

====================================
Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
                                                     ~ Lord Bacon
From char at themasterspress.com  Tue Sep 11 17:31:46 2007
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Tue Sep 11 17:30:08 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 
In-Reply-To: <D9CA808A-F82B-455C-94A2-007ADE595528@ptialaska.net>
References: <021801c7f497$6c6de950$0b01a8c0@CharXP><00b401c7f49d$4470bb70$5a01a8c0@fileserver><002401c7f4b8$8909d030$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
	<D9CA808A-F82B-455C-94A2-007ADE595528@ptialaska.net>
Message-ID: <002e01c7f4bb$2bb2ac60$0b01a8c0@CharXP>

The same rip.  Replaced the Fiery.
ch

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charles A. Lincoln
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 4:15 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****


On Sep 11, 2007, at 1:13 PM, Charlene Sims wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> I was pretty
> frustrated and angry with them, and they finally escalated it up,  
> got me a
> new rip and my C500 is back to like it was when I was loving it for  
> the
> first year.  If you have not called Chuck personally, call him.




REPLY:
What RIP did they get you???

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

Charles Lincoln
ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
612 30th Avenue
Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
(907) 451-1111
fax (907) 451-4511

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

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From printer at ptialaska.net  Tue Sep 11 17:38:39 2007
From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln)
Date: Tue Sep 11 17:39:11 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 
In-Reply-To: <002e01c7f4bb$2bb2ac60$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
References: <021801c7f497$6c6de950$0b01a8c0@CharXP><00b401c7f49d$4470bb70$5a01a8c0@fileserver><002401c7f4b8$8909d030$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
	<D9CA808A-F82B-455C-94A2-007ADE595528@ptialaska.net>
	<002e01c7f4bb$2bb2ac60$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
Message-ID: <7E795F8B-44C8-455D-BC0D-43ECF9E6F034@ptialaska.net>


On Sep 11, 2007, at 1:31 PM, Charlene Sims wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> The same rip.  Replaced the Fiery.


REPLY:
What happened to it? Is there something we should be watching for?  
Was it the internal or external? Mine has a problem doing grayscale  
photos, they look terrible and they have not been able to fix it.

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

Charles Lincoln
ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
612 30th Avenue
Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
(907) 451-1111
fax (907) 451-4511

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

From mike at arborprinting.com  Tue Sep 11 17:37:58 2007
From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com)
Date: Tue Sep 11 17:40:38 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] four color raised print
References: <000801c7f4ac$3572d9a0$6309a8c0@MINIME><98f5b19a0709111403t696338f2j66e14d7cb2d32a4d@mail.gmail.com><!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAAMhR1sICIzFLj2Tz5fIdk6kBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>
	<98f5b19a0709111427g76426791i7d2ccf0477114bf4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <021301c7f4bc$08e4cd70$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC>

PMS color matching can also be tricky with thermograpy. Colors can shift 
when powdered and heated.
Thanks,


Michael Shuta
Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc
630-969-2277
www.arborprinting.com
mike@arborprinting.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Vogel" <mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com>
To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] four color raised print


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> On 9/11/07, Mark Lake <mark@pipsturgeonbay.com> wrote:
>>
>> Carrying this a little further, but doesn't the "raised" ink come from a
>> plastic additive that expands when heated? If so, that would cause colors 
>> to
>> run/expand whatever you want to call it and cause real color problems.
>
> I don't think so, Mark. I don't do thermography (and order it as
> infrequently as possible), but I believe the powder that's heated for
> "raising" is clear. (I'm sure many will correct me if I'm wrong <g>).
> Process color *can* be done in thermography, I've just never seen it
> look like anything I'd ever call "high quality."
>
> -- 
> Michael Vogel
> Sir Speedy Printing
> 9 Research Drive
> Milford, CT 06460
> tel 203-877-1231
> fax 203-878-2679
> mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
> www.eSirSpeedy.com
>
> ====================================
> Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
> criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
>                                                     ~ Lord Bacon
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>
> 


From char at themasterspress.com  Tue Sep 11 17:56:57 2007
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Tue Sep 11 17:55:14 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 
In-Reply-To: <7E795F8B-44C8-455D-BC0D-43ECF9E6F034@ptialaska.net>
References: <021801c7f497$6c6de950$0b01a8c0@CharXP><00b401c7f49d$4470bb70$5a01a8c0@fileserver><002401c7f4b8$8909d030$0b01a8c0@CharXP><D9CA808A-F82B-455C-94A2-007ADE595528@ptialaska.net><002e01c7f4bb$2bb2ac60$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
	<7E795F8B-44C8-455D-BC0D-43ECF9E6F034@ptialaska.net>
Message-ID: <003601c7f4be$ac6014d0$0b01a8c0@CharXP>

I am not sure what all was wrong.  I just did the yelling.  But what I do
know is I would run out a proof for the customer, go back and run the job
and the color would be drastically different - 5 minutes later much less the
next day, month etc.  They had to narrow it down, reloaded software, worked
on numerous things on the machine, went through a lot of different things.
Finally felt like it was the rip, and worked on that for a long time.  They
finally changed out the rip, put a new one in and all the problems went away
and it has worked great for 2 months now.
ch

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charles A. Lincoln
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 4:39 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****


On Sep 11, 2007, at 1:31 PM, Charlene Sims wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> The same rip.  Replaced the Fiery.


REPLY:
What happened to it? Is there something we should be watching for?  
Was it the internal or external? Mine has a problem doing grayscale  
photos, they look terrible and they have not been able to fix it.

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

Charles Lincoln
ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
612 30th Avenue
Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
(907) 451-1111
fax (907) 451-4511

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

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From gerrye at porathprintsource.com  Tue Sep 11 17:58:51 2007
From: gerrye at porathprintsource.com (Gerry Engelhart)
Date: Tue Sep 11 17:59:16 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Consolidation mailings to foreign countries
References: <20070911211840.19124B6576E@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <004c01c7f4be$f09d9050$6800000a@Engelhart>

I have a customer who we mail over 6,000 pieces of mail overseas to several 
countires

Anyone out there have a consolidator who ships the mail to the country and 
then posts them in the country of delivery.

thanks

gerry engelhart
porath printsource,
cleveland ohio

From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com  Tue Sep 11 18:18:17 2007
From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake)
Date: Tue Sep 11 18:19:30 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] four color raised print
In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0709111427g76426791i7d2ccf0477114bf4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000801c7f4ac$3572d9a0$6309a8c0@MINIME><98f5b19a0709111403t696338f2j66e14d7cb2d32a4d@mail.gmail.com><!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAAMhR1sICIzFLj2Tz5fIdk6kBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>
	<98f5b19a0709111427g76426791i7d2ccf0477114bf4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAAO/pKFYFdjRMh7B0KWjDSzABAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>

Oh well, I guess I didn't learn anything today. This was my last hope!

Mark Lake
PIP Printing
368 Jefferson Street
Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235
920.743.7370     920.743.4633 Fax
www.pipsturgeonbay.com      
Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com
 
To send a file to us, please use the link below
http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 4:27 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] four color raised print

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

On 9/11/07, Mark Lake <mark@pipsturgeonbay.com> wrote:
>
> Carrying this a little further, but doesn't the "raised" ink come from 
> a plastic additive that expands when heated? If so, that would cause 
> colors to run/expand whatever you want to call it and cause real color
problems.

I don't think so, Mark. I don't do thermography (and order it as
infrequently as possible), but I believe the powder that's heated for
"raising" is clear. (I'm sure many will correct me if I'm wrong <g>).
Process color *can* be done in thermography, I've just never seen it look
like anything I'd ever call "high quality."


From ed at graphicprintersinc.com  Tue Sep 11 18:19:40 2007
From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce)
Date: Tue Sep 11 18:19:34 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 
In-Reply-To: <002401c7f4b8$8909d030$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
Message-ID: <00e001c7f4c1$d9308690$5a01a8c0@fileserver>

Thanks Charlene, I will give Chuck a call.

Ed Pierce
Graphic Print & Communication
Meridian MS 
601-485-7088
ed@graphicprintersinc.com
 


From ssheers at sheergraphics.com  Tue Sep 11 18:52:06 2007
From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers)
Date: Tue Sep 11 18:47:11 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Consolidation mailings to foreign countries
In-Reply-To: <20070911221938.1DFBFB65E68@rb.enter.net>
References: <20070911221938.1DFBFB65E68@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <8567a3935c2a956bc21c352235565270@sheergraphics.com>

Try the USPS International Surface Air Lift (ISAL) Service. We've had  
success.

<http://pe.usps.gov/search/jsp/search/vv_docread.jsp? 
k2dockey=http%3A%2F%2Fpe.usps.com%2Ftext%2Fimm%2Fimmc2_040.htm%40PE_IMM_ 
HTML_5&serverSpec=56.0.145.56: 
9920&QueryParser=Simple&querytext=%28isal%29&dtype=2#hit0>

Or for those that suffer from their email lines breaking incorrectly,  
or those cloak and dagger types who insist on intrigue!
<http://tinyurl.com/2h2znx>

> I have a customer who we mail over 6,000 pieces of mail overseas to  
> several countires
>
> Anyone out there have a consolidator who ships the mail to the country  
> and then posts them in the country of delivery.

Please reply to Simon Sheers at:
<ssheers@sheergraphics.com>

Sheer Graphics Inc.
47 Chestnut Avenue,
Westmont, IL 60559-1127
Tel: (630) 654-4422
<http://www.sheergraphics.com>
Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more
From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com  Tue Sep 11 18:48:27 2007
From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat)
Date: Tue Sep 11 18:48:31 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] four color raised print
In-Reply-To: <000801c7f4ac$3572d9a0$6309a8c0@MINIME>
Message-ID: <HMEDIEDICMMHGNJJMLEOIEFMGFAA.richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com>

Nancy,

Carlson Craft had a program for doing 4 color business cards in Thermography
and if I can remember right upto 7 spot colors. I think their program was
called Creative Colors if I can remember right.

Carlson Craft's Commercial Products Division 1-800-628-9809

Richard Moffat

Sir Speedy
244 S.W. 6th Street
Miami, Florida 33130
(305) 285-1401 Tel
(305) 285-1402 Fax
richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com
www.sirspeedy-brickell.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of
ncgill@gillprintandgraphics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:45 PM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] four color raised print


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Hi Guys & Gals,
Hope someone out there has a vendor for quality four color raised business
cards. We have several large companies we do business cards for with pms
color match logo and we have to have very high quality. I have not been able
to use the local trade wholesalers for this work. Delivery and Quality are a
must.

Thanks for your help

Nancy Gill
GillPrint and Graphics
2310 Park Place Dr
Gretna, Louisiana 70056
(504) 392-9600
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From ssheers at sheergraphics.com  Tue Sep 11 19:05:51 2007
From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers)
Date: Tue Sep 11 19:00:52 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Importing into InDesign from Excel - Boldly!
Message-ID: <54db1692d7f35cf1d2014156df218385@sheergraphics.com>

We're importing into InDesign an Excel .csv file to make a directory.

Each cell of one column of the Excel spreadsheet is required to become 
bold type in the InDesign file.

Currently, after import, we have to click and change the font of each 
word that we want to be bold. Is there any way to automate this import 
or automate the InDesign fields?

Thanks in advance to whomever shares his mine of information!


P.S. Bear in mind that I do not use any page-layout software, I just 
want a few pointers or suggestions to give to those that do.

Please reply to Simon Sheers at:
<ssheers@sheergraphics.com>

Sheer Graphics Inc.
47 Chestnut Avenue,
Westmont, IL 60559-1127
Tel: (630) 654-4422
<http://www.sheergraphics.com>
Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more
From kevin at abfprints.com  Tue Sep 11 19:17:18 2007
From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko)
Date: Tue Sep 11 19:18:06 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Fiery/Adobe/
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-DAV2C693E8F0B1C4C990BC4DB6C10@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY110-DAV2C693E8F0B1C4C990BC4DB6C10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003901c7f4c9$ea4c9600$0600a8c0@Danko>

Larry, I just got back from Chicago and loved everything I saw about the
KM6500. The model they were showing off had the Creo Rip and the rep
recommended it as well. Did you consider the Creo and if so why didn't you
go with it??? 

Kevin Danko
Advantage Business Forms
102 N. Riverside Ave.
Rialto, CA 92376
(909) 875-7163
Fax: (909) 875-7971
E-mail: kevin@abfprints.com
www.abfprints.com

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From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of larry
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 7:49 AM
To: Printowners
Subject: [PrintOwners] Fiery/Adobe/

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I take that back.  3 workstations have CS3.  All connected to 3 different
Fiery's.  But..........

.....one workstation will not acknowledge 12X18 with one of the Fiery's.
The rest do.  We've reinstalled, checked the settings, properties, blah,
blah.  No luck.

At command workstation, we can change the setting to 12X18. That's our temp
workaround for that one workstation.

Canon will be in this week to replace the Fiery due to another weird issue:
when we print, the output tray never stops outputting, but if we copy it
stops when full.  We never copy.

As always, I can't take no for an answer, and I let Ikon know that our
greatest limitation is our weakest vendor support.  And Xerox, and etc.  

I'll be sure to let them know that others are having similar problems and
see what they say. 

And instead of finger pointing, each RIP is made to each individual mfg.
specs, so if Canon specified something that was incompatible in their RIP,
Adobe should have alerted them since they make CS3......jeeze, one seems to
lose their brain when they work for a large company.

BTW, we just updated all our workstations, which were 3 years old.  What a
difference in speed and screen redraws.  We had some spare flat panels
gathering dust, now each station has 2 attached, and that is also very
helpful.  These PC's cost the same as 3 years ago, but are so much faster.
Added a bigger, faster SAN (small area network) drive and there is NO wait
to access customer files from the workstations. 

Our inbound jobs are at least 10 per day via the net, so one monitor has
email on one screen at all times.  I highly recommend it.

Finally, in Word 07, we did a variable job of 2400 pages last week.  Didn't
want to set it up properly in the new Fiery, so we just let it go.  It
balooned up to over 2 megabytes on the rip, sending each page individually.
But, once 15% of the job was at the RIP, it began to run.....at rated speed
of 65 CPM.  I like it.  The color photos looked great on Cl Linen, without
those pesky lines poking through the toner.  This was on the 650 we are
testing. 

Larry
Desert Pacific
Tucson
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From championprinting at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 11 20:27:21 2007
From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly)
Date: Tue Sep 11 20:27:50 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference/KMBS
Message-ID: <87609.85656.qm@web38906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I think Chuck's idea of sending a messenger to basically tell me "tough cookies" about our C500 killed any confidence I had in KMBS. I offered him a prorated buy back and an anticipated tripling of clicks on a better unit. No negotiation. Keep the crappy C500 and buy a 6500 at full price (and this satisfies me how?). The KMBS entry in our market woke up Xerox. Current Xerox pricing makes KMBS look a whole lot less relevant. At least Xerox has a satisfaction guarantee, something shoppers may want to consider. Fred can call or email me if he gives a darn about my experience. Our unit and the KMBS experience indicate that they are not ready for prime time, at least in the Baltimore/Washington market. Below my signature is the last email I sent to Chuck. We had phone conversations that were more pointed, but I considered my requests reasonable and sound.

Constantly replacing those fuser rollers (when our 4C press is too busy for short runs),

Ted Gelletly
Champion Printing
5401 New Expansion Drive
Eldersburg MD 21784
410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488
ted@championprintingonline.com
 
Subject: C500 Service

Hi Chuck,

Thanks once again for intervening on our part. I wish it wasn't necessary
and if you like, we will take our service issues directly to Alan in the
future. I don't want to irritate Alan and I feel he could be a key ally when
it's time to negotiate moving us to a 6500.

We are still frustrated with unresolved file issues. One that comes to mind
is the "pyramid" job we run periodically for a good client. Strange as it
seems, the Fiery does a better job that the Creo which is almost never the
case. Martika can give you the details if you are concerned. My concern is
that issued like this are turned over to the KM "experts" and we never hear
from them again. We learn more about the system every day, but we do need
help with these major roadblocks.

When you and Mike were on the conference call with me last week, Mike seemed
anxious to retrieve the Firey from us. We would like that also, but first,
KM needs to show us how to handle the pyramid job and educate us about using
the Creo with basic mail merge training. I'm sorry the PrintShop Mail
conversation clouded the basic mail merge issue. No special software should
be required to run a basic mail merge with either RIP.

I was just updated on our pending service. We may get service today, but if
it happens, it won't be until this afternoon. Yesterday, we had to run 1200
8.5 x 11 pieces on our 20" 4C Komori press to meet a deadline. The job had
C500 written all over it. We are used to getting 4 business hour service for
digital output devices. I think this is pretty standard in the print for pay
industry. I understand that in rare instances, this can not be accomplished.

As we discussed on the phone, I know you are doing your best to satisfy our
industry. I'm glad you heard my concern about the cost of service to KM. It
almost seems that it would behoove KM to swap units just to make the service
side profitable. I'm looking forward to discussing this when you are
prepared. Thanks again.

Ted


----- Original Message ----
From: Charlene Sims <char@themasterspress.com>
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 5:13:01 PM
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference


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Ed, I talked to Chuck some this past weekend and also his new boss who was
at the conference, Fred.  I have no idea where their BC's are right now but
as I unpack I will send out that info.  Fred said they knew they has some
slack in the print for pay market and that is one of the reasons that he was
hired or moved into the position he is in.  His and Chuck's jobs are to fine
tune that market.  But true they have a long long way to go.  I think they
have the desire but just not the knowledge and abilities quite yet.  They
have only seriously been in this market for maybe 2 years.  So I know it is
going to be a process for them to get up and meet our expectations.  Time
will help but I am sure you are like me and want it now.  I was pretty
frustrated and angry with them, and they finally escalated it up, got me a
new rip and my C500 is back to like it was when I was loving it for the
first year.  If you have not called Chuck personally, call him.  If you have
not gotten the answer you want, ask him to escalate it or let you talk to
Fred.  They sponsored the conference and one of the lunches, and are wanting
to learn and grow.  But growing is always a process.  It is to our advantage
to help them get where WE want them to be.  :-)  They don't have to know
that. I will be in and out this week but if that does not work - call me.
Ch

Chuck Slaughter - 214.697.3455

Charlene Sims

The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com
-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ed Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 12:58 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 

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Did anyone talk to any of the Konica people and if so what is the outlook
for them in the print for pay market especially in the smaller markets.

Any other tidbits about Konica would be helpful if you know anything.

Ed Pierce
Graphic Print & Communication
Meridian MS 
601-485-7088
ed@graphicprintersinc.com
From printer at ptialaska.net  Tue Sep 11 20:43:45 2007
From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln)
Date: Tue Sep 11 20:44:00 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Where to get new Tamper Proof RX paper?
Message-ID: <B164774E-4EB6-4748-90AB-11C2A8DB13AC@ptialaska.net>

In October the feds will require any medicaid prescription sheets to  
be printed on tamper proof paper.
WHERE DO WE GET THAT???

Thanks,

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

Charles Lincoln
ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
612 30th Avenue
Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
(907) 451-1111
fax (907) 451-4511

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

From davek at epgvl.com  Tue Sep 11 21:02:28 2007
From: davek at epgvl.com (Dave Knapp)
Date: Tue Sep 11 21:01:47 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Where to get new Tamper Proof RX paper?
In-Reply-To: <B164774E-4EB6-4748-90AB-11C2A8DB13AC@ptialaska.net>
Message-ID: <001f01c7f4d8$98a67eb0$64fea8c0@DAVE>

In my area - xpedx

Dave Knapp
Express Press of Greenville
555A South Pleasantburg Drive
Greenville, SC 29607
864/235-6950
864/242-3354 fax
DaveK@epgvl.com
www.epgvl.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charles A. Lincoln
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:44 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] Where to get new Tamper Proof RX paper?

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

In October the feds will require any medicaid prescription sheets to
be printed on tamper proof paper.
WHERE DO WE GET THAT???

Thanks,

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

Charles Lincoln
ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
612 30th Avenue
Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
(907) 451-1111
fax (907) 451-4511

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From championprinting at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 11 22:02:52 2007
From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly)
Date: Tue Sep 11 22:03:11 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Where to get new Tamper Proof RX paper?
Message-ID: <815909.97710.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

A paper products keyword search of "tamper" of the xpedx website yields "Your search did not return any items.. please try again." Do you have a brand name, xpedx item # or manufacturer # ? Thanks.
 
Ted Gelletly
Champion Printing
5401 New Expansion Drive
Eldersburg MD 21784
410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488
ted@championprintingonline.com 


----- Original Message ----
From: Dave Knapp <davek@epgvl.com>
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:02:28 PM
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Where to get new Tamper Proof RX paper?


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In my area - xpedx

Dave Knapp
Express Press of Greenville
555A South Pleasantburg Drive
Greenville, SC 29607
864/235-6950
864/242-3354 fax
DaveK@epgvl.com
www.epgvl.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charles A. Lincoln
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:44 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] Where to get new Tamper Proof RX paper?

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

In October the feds will require any medicaid prescription sheets to
be printed on tamper proof paper.
WHERE DO WE GET THAT???

Thanks,

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

Charles Lincoln
ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
612 30th Avenue
Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
(907) 451-1111
fax (907) 451-4511
From davek at epgvl.com  Tue Sep 11 23:11:22 2007
From: davek at epgvl.com (Dave Knapp)
Date: Tue Sep 11 23:10:42 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Where to get new Tamper Proof RX paper?
In-Reply-To: <815909.97710.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002601c7f4ea$99a37720$64fea8c0@DAVE>

Ted - I'll get back to you tomorrow when I get to the shop.

Dave Knapp
Express Press of Greenville
555A South Pleasantburg Drive
Greenville, SC 29607
864/235-6950
864/242-3354 fax
DaveK@epgvl.com
www.epgvl.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ted Gelletly
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 10:03 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Where to get new Tamper Proof RX paper?

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

A paper products keyword search of "tamper" of the xpedx website yields
"Your search did not return any items.. please try again." Do you have a
brand name, xpedx item # or manufacturer # ? Thanks.

Ted Gelletly
Champion Printing
5401 New Expansion Drive
Eldersburg MD 21784
410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488
ted@championprintingonline.com


----- Original Message ----
From: Dave Knapp <davek@epgvl.com>
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<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:02:28 PM
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Where to get new Tamper Proof RX paper?


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In my area - xpedx

Dave Knapp
Express Press of Greenville
555A South Pleasantburg Drive
Greenville, SC 29607
864/235-6950
864/242-3354 fax
DaveK@epgvl.com
www.epgvl.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charles A. Lincoln
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:44 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] Where to get new Tamper Proof RX paper?

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

In October the feds will require any medicaid prescription sheets to
be printed on tamper proof paper.
WHERE DO WE GET THAT???

Thanks,

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

Charles Lincoln
ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
612 30th Avenue
Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
(907) 451-1111
fax (907) 451-4511
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From priorityprinting at comcast.net  Tue Sep 11 23:23:40 2007
From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net)
Date: Tue Sep 11 23:24:09 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Where to get new Tamper Proof RX paper?
Message-ID: <091220070323.7350.46E75BBC000B5B0600001CB622007504380902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net>

Xpedx carries Kant Kopy paper.  However they carry it in the paper that will print the word "void".  For prescriptions you can buy the paper from Blanks USA.  When copied it will read "Invalid RX".  It comes in packages of 250 sheets.

Jeff Farber
Priority Printing & Graphics
1323 E. Main Street
Flushing, MI 48433
810 487-1700
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Ted Gelletly <championprinting@yahoo.com>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> A paper products keyword search of "tamper" of the xpedx website yields "Your 
> search did not return any items.. please try again." Do you have a brand name, 
> xpedx item # or manufacturer # ? Thanks.
>  
> Ted Gelletly
> Champion Printing
> 5401 New Expansion Drive
> Eldersburg MD 21784
> 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488
> ted@championprintingonline.com 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Dave Knapp <davek@epgvl.com>
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only <printowners@printweb.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:02:28 PM
> Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Where to get new Tamper Proof RX paper?
> 
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> In my area - xpedx
> 
> Dave Knapp
> Express Press of Greenville
> 555A South Pleasantburg Drive
> Greenville, SC 29607
> 864/235-6950
> 864/242-3354 fax
> DaveK@epgvl.com
> www.epgvl.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charles A. Lincoln
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:44 PM
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> Subject: [PrintOwners] Where to get new Tamper Proof RX paper?
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> In October the feds will require any medicaid prescription sheets to
> be printed on tamper proof paper.
> WHERE DO WE GET THAT???
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
> 
> Charles Lincoln
> ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
> 612 30th Avenue
> Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
> (907) 451-1111
> fax (907) 451-4511
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From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com  Wed Sep 12 04:48:51 2007
From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry)
Date: Wed Sep 12 04:49:11 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] New Fiery/Creo and other digital
Message-ID: <BAY110-DAV105DECFFAB79E0E08C8E5DB6C20@phx.gbl>


We are used to the Fiery interface, and didn't really want to have to learn another one right now.

That was the main reason.  

Plus, all the printed samples ikon showed me were off the Fiery.  They were just fine.

I never actually looked at either rip.  

I discussed with the sales and technical reps about both units.  (BTW, I'd never buy from K/M.....I would not take one of their units for FREE or even if they paid me.....they are the '3 blind mice', JMHO based on personal experience.)  Well, I suppose I'd take it and put it in storage if they paid me.

As I saw it, both are virtually identical the handling of color......  One requires that you 'turn knob A/B and C', the other requires turning 'D/E and F' so to speak.  

The Creo cost LESS, the reps were pushing it, and I'm beginning to think it's because the Fiery may not be the best choice for this machine..... and it's still possible we may have to get the creo.  

We've had the machine in for demo, the first Fiery was removed, the loaner is not working 100%, but we ARE getting very good color, and fantastic PMS matching.   

Less and less press jobs as the weeks go by:  Today was typical, we matched 4 different spot colors 'to the book' on the IKON 650.  Used to print those on press.  Most days are one or two spot colors on the 650.  

Ya gotta love it because.......

....it will loom LARGE this year and next as printers determine how to price work on all color machines doing spot color matching:  we bill the job as a press run, even though it cost only $10 in materials.  2 sets of 2 color cards on C. Crest #110 (297 GSM), here's our rough breakout if done offset:  $225 for the 2/0 run; $65 to mix 167 red ink.  Typesetting of $25 per name. Around $340 for the job. Took 3 minutes to print, 5 to slit and box.  Billed at $340 and another very happy customer.  They will be back for more next week.

BUT.....It took one key person an entire year to learn all the tricks of color matching from offset to toner, not to mention CMYK to toner.  Neither RIP does it all.   

Larry
DPP
Tucson, AZ



I just got back from Chicago and loved everything I saw about the
KM6500. The model they were showing off had the Creo Rip and the rep
recommended it as well. Did you consider the Creo and if so why didn't you
go with it??? 

Kevin Danko
Advantage Business Forms
102 N. Riverside Ave.
From chris at mmgraphicsandmail.com  Wed Sep 12 07:31:17 2007
From: chris at mmgraphicsandmail.com (Chris Cochran)
Date: Wed Sep 12 07:33:08 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] four color raised print
References: <000801c7f4ac$3572d9a0$6309a8c0@MINIME><98f5b19a0709111403t696338f2j66e14d7cb2d32a4d@mail.gmail.com><!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAAMhR1sICIzFLj2Tz5fIdk6kBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>
	<98f5b19a0709111427g76426791i7d2ccf0477114bf4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001401c7f530$735fec10$2e01a8c0@ChrisCochran>

Mark, I think your right on - My understanding is that the term dot gain 
refers to the change in dot size from what you start with as compared to 
what you actually print.  You can set up curves in your output systems to 
compensate for the normal gain you might have (15 to 20% are typical 
ranges).

Now how accurately you could program your output to allow for the dot swell 
caused by thermography I'm not sure, but certainly don't believe that I 
would try to produce high quality 4 color process with any consistency.

Chris Cochran
M & M Graphics, Inc
Your Printing and Mailing Specialist
704-376-0938
www.mmgraphicsandmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Vogel" <mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com>
To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] four color raised print


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>
> On 9/11/07, Mark Lake <mark@pipsturgeonbay.com> wrote:
>>
>> Carrying this a little further, but doesn't the "raised" ink come from a
>> plastic additive that expands when heated? If so, that would cause colors 
>> to
>> run/expand whatever you want to call it and cause real color problems.
>
> I don't think so, Mark. I don't do thermography (and order it as
> infrequently as possible), but I believe the powder that's heated for
> "raising" is clear. (I'm sure many will correct me if I'm wrong <g>).
> Process color *can* be done in thermography, I've just never seen it
> look like anything I'd ever call "high quality."
>
> -- 
> Michael Vogel
> Sir Speedy Printing
> 9 Research Drive
> Milford, CT 06460
> tel 203-877-1231
> fax 203-878-2679
> mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
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From stalprint at charter.net  Wed Sep 12 08:02:58 2007
From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings)
Date: Wed Sep 12 08:03:08 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Where to get new Tamper Proof RX paper?
In-Reply-To: <B164774E-4EB6-4748-90AB-11C2A8DB13AC@ptialaska.net>
References: <B164774E-4EB6-4748-90AB-11C2A8DB13AC@ptialaska.net>
Message-ID: <46E7D572.40805@charter.net>

This vendor had a booth at the Chicago Show
http://www.paper4printers.com/
Blanks USA also carries Kant Kopy


Charles A. Lincoln wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> In October the feds will require any medicaid prescription sheets to  
> be printed on tamper proof paper.
> WHERE DO WE GET THAT???
>
> Thanks,
>
> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
>
> Charles Lincoln
> ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
> 612 30th Avenue
> Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
> (907) 451-1111
> fax (907) 451-4511
>
> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
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Stallings Printing
828-758-1126
stalprint@charter.net
Lenoir, NC 28645

From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Wed Sep 12 08:42:57 2007
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Wed Sep 12 08:43:40 2007
Subject: OFF Re: [PrintOwners] New Fiery/Creo and other digital
Message-ID: <d56.ad9aaad.341938d1@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 9/12/2007 4:50:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
eatnsleepgolf@msn.com writes:

We are  used to the Fiery interface, and didn't really want to have to learn 
another  one right now.

That was the main reason.   



Wow Larry, you either stay up really late, get up incredibly  early or you 
suffer from insomnia just like I do.... Hell, I got up at 1:30  am just to check 
the email last night and you email was not on my computer....  then I checked 
early am and see that you sent something at 4:40 am EDT. What  gives? <G> How 
do you expect to play your best rounds of golf with a  sleeping schedule like 
that?
 

John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
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From davek at epgvl.com  Wed Sep 12 08:55:18 2007
From: davek at epgvl.com (Dave Knapp)
Date: Wed Sep 12 08:54:30 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Where to get new Tamper Proof RX paper?
In-Reply-To: <002601c7f4ea$99a37720$64fea8c0@DAVE>
Message-ID: <004b01c7f53c$2cc21bf0$64fea8c0@DAVE>

Ted, et al,

Xpedx product code is 437461. It is called Laser 3 Dupligard Rx W/Pantgraph
(sic). My branch says it is a brand new item and the code has just been
assigned.

Good luck.

Dave Knapp
Express Press of Greenville
555A South Pleasantburg Drive
Greenville, SC 29607
864/235-6950
864/242-3354 fax
DaveK@epgvl.com
www.epgvl.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dave Knapp
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 11:11 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Where to get new Tamper Proof RX paper?

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Ted - I'll get back to you tomorrow when I get to the shop.

Dave Knapp
Express Press of Greenville
555A South Pleasantburg Drive
Greenville, SC 29607
864/235-6950
864/242-3354 fax
DaveK@epgvl.com
www.epgvl.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ted Gelletly
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 10:03 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Where to get new Tamper Proof RX paper?

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

A paper products keyword search of "tamper" of the xpedx website yields
"Your search did not return any items.. please try again." Do you have a
brand name, xpedx item # or manufacturer # ? Thanks.

Ted Gelletly
Champion Printing
5401 New Expansion Drive
Eldersburg MD 21784
410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488
ted@championprintingonline.com


----- Original Message ----
From: Dave Knapp <davek@epgvl.com>
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:02:28 PM
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Where to get new Tamper Proof RX paper?


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In my area - xpedx

Dave Knapp
Express Press of Greenville
555A South Pleasantburg Drive
Greenville, SC 29607
864/235-6950
864/242-3354 fax
DaveK@epgvl.com
www.epgvl.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charles A. Lincoln
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:44 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] Where to get new Tamper Proof RX paper?

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In October the feds will require any medicaid prescription sheets to
be printed on tamper proof paper.
WHERE DO WE GET THAT???

Thanks,

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

Charles Lincoln
ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
612 30th Avenue
Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
(907) 451-1111
fax (907) 451-4511
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From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com  Wed Sep 12 10:08:25 2007
From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake)
Date: Wed Sep 12 10:10:03 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Barcode Font for Print Shop Mail
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAAPPHMycce3tBny+kMZ2rgvsBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>

I've got a mailing due tomorrow and it is my first time using Print Shop
Mail to run a 2 sided self mailer through our B&W copier. Print Shop Mail
people tell me I have to print the barcode in several point sizes and get
the correct size approved by USPS prior to doing the job. The person who
OK's this stuff around here is 40 miles away and it will take at least 2
days to get approval and I don't have that much time. In situations like
this in the past we have run all of the inside, flipped the stack and run
the outside (with mailing info) but lately the copier has been putting
wrinkles in the paper when running the second side so we end up running B&W
on the color copier which costs 3 times as much. I know, the tech needs to
fix the problem but they blame the paper, the weather, anything but the
machine itself. Anyone else using PSM that knows what size font works?
 

Mark Lake
PIP Printing
368 Jefferson Street
Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235
920.743.7370     920.743.4633 Fax
www.pipsturgeonbay.com <http://www.pipsturgeonbay.com/>       
Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com

To send a file to us, please use the link below
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From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com  Wed Sep 12 10:09:50 2007
From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry)
Date: Wed Sep 12 10:10:40 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Insomnia emails
Message-ID: <BAY110-DAV8C5E402E2C3C4C28DEC93B6C20@phx.gbl>

Hmmmmm.....did I mention the extra club I carry, aka the 'Texas foot wedge' 

LT
Tucson


Wow Larry, you either stay up really late, get up incredibly  early or you 
suffer from insomnia just like I do.... Hell, I got up at 1:30  am just to check 
the email last night and you email was not on my computer....  then I checked 
early am and see that you sent something at 4:40 am EDT. What  gives? <G> How 
do you expect to play your best rounds of golf with a  sleeping schedule like 
that?
 

John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
From owner at latsons.com  Wed Sep 12 10:23:53 2007
From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson)
Date: Wed Sep 12 10:24:31 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] CS3/Adobe/Print Driver problems/Canon
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-F409849BC12932C954B3AD0B6C10@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY110-F409849BC12932C954B3AD0B6C10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200709121424.l8CEO4sP015461@pro35.abac.com>


>
>What do you mean about your CS3 version 10.4.10?
>Larry Taylor

That is what we see when we ask the computer what version of CS we 
are running. Thank you for going through the trouble of supplying us 
your driver info.  Did these come pre-loaded are was there a lot of 
trial and error finding the correct ones?

Again I will assert our frustration with the fact that our investment 
in a faster/bigger computer for the purpose of improving production 
has only done the opposite. What compounds this is not knowing where 
to turn to make it work.

-Dick









>We are on version CS3 10.4.10; intel core duo processor.
>     One issue is that we cannot keep the jobs we send from
>duplexing. Page set up settings do not want to work properly, the
>preview does not match what happens when it prints. It wants to rip
>each copy instead of one and then print repeatedly. Same issues
>basically others have responded to this thread with. We have an
>IMac  with older versions of adobe and OS10 and we have to use it to
>send any files to the Fiery Rip on our Canon 3220.
>We have been trying to be patient hoping drivers would some day show
>up on a web site somewhere.  Our Canon rep keeps checking for us, as
>of yet he has not had any luck locating new drivers. He seems to
>think it is Adobe that needs to make this happen.
>
>     Larry, I would be interested in how your system is configured.
>Can you list the drivers you use? Are you using version 10.4, we
>wonder if an earlier version of CS3 would be a solution.
>-Dick
>
>
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Dick Latson
Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc.
1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701
Commerce, Texas 75428
(903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889
email: owner@latsons.com
www.latsons.com 

From John at mpcny.com  Wed Sep 12 10:34:51 2007
From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry)
Date: Wed Sep 12 10:35:06 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Fiery vs Creo rips
Message-ID: <015e01c7f54a$14889970$3d99cc50$@com>

I start this by saying I have 3 Fiery rips now, but my disdain is well known
for all things EFI (see my www.mpcny.com/printblogger )

I really like the interface of the Fiery but find some things lacking in
support and upgrades.

1. Try and find an EFI employed specialist to solve your problems, have you?
Not me I cannot get no answers to any problems. The MFG of the box has to
try and find all updates hardware or software. EFI hoards this info like the
fort Knox. Go to EFI and try and find out what patches, fixes or updates are
out for your system, zip, zero nothing you can get from EFI. They just sell
and wash their hands and shift blame to the local supplier. The best one is
the drivers it is Adobe's fault. BS Adobe publishes the specs months before
hand, EFI does not follow what Adobe says then blames it on them.

2. EFI builds the rip PC themselves using all sorts of proprietary parts.
This means if you want extra ram, bigger HD or faster CPU you have to pay
them, often 10x or more the cost. Your dead if the box dies and you need a
new rip. This is only covered under service to a small part. They will give
you what you have now if you're down. You have to pay and pay. There is NO
reason only changing the rip hardware out would fix the problems people are
having other than poor quality control by EFI.

3. EFI refuses to allow rip upgrades as they come out with new ones. Right
now they just announced the NEW Adobe PDF rips will be shipping. I bet not
one of you who has a demo have or can get that rip. No way in hell would buy
the EFI that is out now. Look at the users here with issues. I would insist
on the new one when it releases, get it in writing that it is FREE or what
the cost will be NOW. Do not trust them.

John M. Henry
Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
125-129 East First Street
Oswego, New York 13126
(315) 343-3531
(315) 343-3577 Fax
www.mpcny.com
John@mpcny.com

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From gamble at choiceonemail.com  Wed Sep 12 11:16:14 2007
From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird)
Date: Wed Sep 12 11:16:34 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Barcode Font for Print Shop Mail
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAAPPHMycce3tBny+kMZ2rgvsBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAAPPHMycce3tBny+kMZ2rgvsBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>
Message-ID: <006601c7f54f$dc8406d0$0401a8c0@RICK>

Mark,

	I do not use printshop mail but barcode must be 1/8" in height.  In
most programs I have seen there is a merge field called postnet barcode
which automatically sets it to proper height and space ratio.

	Maybe try calling printshop mail or see if they have an internet
forum for such questions.

	In Wordperfect and on my inkjet I use a Arial font and never had a
post office memo sent to me regarding it.

HTH

Rick Bird
Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc.
Buffalo, NY 14127
(716) 662-1515
(716) 662-5917 - fax
gamble@choiceonemail.com - email

p.s. I just had a brain fart can you export out of your mailing program all
the postnet info?

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lake
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 10:08 AM
To: PrintOwners
Subject: [PrintOwners] Barcode Font for Print Shop Mail

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I've got a mailing due tomorrow and it is my first time using Print Shop
Mail to run a 2 sided self mailer through our B&W copier. Print Shop Mail
people tell me I have to print the barcode in several point sizes and get
the correct size approved by USPS prior to doing the job. The person who
OK's this stuff around here is 40 miles away and it will take at least 2
days to get approval and I don't have that much time. In situations like
this in the past we have run all of the inside, flipped the stack and run
the outside (with mailing info) but lately the copier has been putting
wrinkles in the paper when running the second side so we end up running B&W
on the color copier which costs 3 times as much. I know, the tech needs to
fix the problem but they blame the paper, the weather, anything but the
machine itself. Anyone else using PSM that knows what size font works?
 

Mark Lake
PIP Printing
368 Jefferson Street
Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235
920.743.7370     920.743.4633 Fax
www.pipsturgeonbay.com <http://www.pipsturgeonbay.com/>       
Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com

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From kevin at abfprints.com  Wed Sep 12 11:25:49 2007
From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko)
Date: Wed Sep 12 11:26:24 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] New Fiery/Creo and other digital
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-DAV105DECFFAB79E0E08C8E5DB6C20@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY110-DAV105DECFFAB79E0E08C8E5DB6C20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00ee01c7f551$3385a0a0$0600a8c0@Danko>

Great info, thanks

Kevin Danko
Advantage Business Forms
102 N. Riverside Ave.
Rialto, CA 92376
(909) 875-7163
Fax: (909) 875-7971
E-mail: kevin@abfprints.com
www.abfprints.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of larry
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 1:49 AM
To: Printowners
Subject: [PrintOwners] New Fiery/Creo and other digital

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****


We are used to the Fiery interface, and didn't really want to have to learn
another one right now.

That was the main reason.  

Plus, all the printed samples ikon showed me were off the Fiery.  They were
just fine.

I never actually looked at either rip.  

I discussed with the sales and technical reps about both units.  (BTW, I'd
never buy from K/M.....I would not take one of their units for FREE or even
if they paid me.....they are the '3 blind mice', JMHO based on personal
experience.)  Well, I suppose I'd take it and put it in storage if they paid
me.

As I saw it, both are virtually identical the handling of color......  One
requires that you 'turn knob A/B and C', the other requires turning 'D/E and
F' so to speak.  

The Creo cost LESS, the reps were pushing it, and I'm beginning to think
it's because the Fiery may not be the best choice for this machine..... and
it's still possible we may have to get the creo.  

We've had the machine in for demo, the first Fiery was removed, the loaner
is not working 100%, but we ARE getting very good color, and fantastic PMS
matching.   

Less and less press jobs as the weeks go by:  Today was typical, we matched
4 different spot colors 'to the book' on the IKON 650.  Used to print those
on press.  Most days are one or two spot colors on the 650.  

Ya gotta love it because.......

....it will loom LARGE this year and next as printers determine how to price
work on all color machines doing spot color matching:  we bill the job as a
press run, even though it cost only $10 in materials.  2 sets of 2 color
cards on C. Crest #110 (297 GSM), here's our rough breakout if done offset:
$225 for the 2/0 run; $65 to mix 167 red ink.  Typesetting of $25 per name.
Around $340 for the job. Took 3 minutes to print, 5 to slit and box.  Billed
at $340 and another very happy customer.  They will be back for more next
week.

BUT.....It took one key person an entire year to learn all the tricks of
color matching from offset to toner, not to mention CMYK to toner.  Neither
RIP does it all.   

Larry
DPP
Tucson, AZ



I just got back from Chicago and loved everything I saw about the
KM6500. The model they were showing off had the Creo Rip and the rep
recommended it as well. Did you consider the Creo and if so why didn't you
go with it??? 

Kevin Danko
Advantage Business Forms
102 N. Riverside Ave.
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From dennis.trump at gmail.com  Wed Sep 12 11:27:01 2007
From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump)
Date: Wed Sep 12 11:27:33 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Barcode Font for Print Shop Mail
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References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAAPPHMycce3tBny+kMZ2rgvsBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>
Message-ID: <41aa6a080709120827o346a8712o8933e12ece002f88@mail.gmail.com>

> I've got a mailing due tomorrow and it is my first time using Print Shop
> Mail to run a 2 sided self mailer through our B&W copier. Print Shop Mail
> people tell me I have to print the barcode in several point sizes and get
> the correct size approved by USPS prior to doing the job. The person who
> OK's this stuff around here is 40 miles away and it will take at least 2
> days to get approval and I don't have that much time. In situations like
> this in the past we have run all of the inside, flipped the stack and run
> the outside (with mailing info) but lately the copier has been putting
> wrinkles in the paper when running the second side so we end up running
> B&W
> on the color copier which costs 3 times as much. I know, the tech needs to
> fix the problem but they blame the paper, the weather, anything but the
> machine itself. Anyone else using PSM that knows what size font works?


Mark,

You can check the barcode with the transparent template the Post Office
issues. If you don't have that I would print a barcode out of your
mailing software to you copier then send the same barcode to your copier out
of PSM and size it accordingly. It's a shortcut but I'll bet it will work.
If your not going through Merlin at your accepance point your home free.

Dennis Trump
Trump Direct
*a print and direct mail commuications company*
Decatur IL
www.trumpdirect.com
trump@trumpdirect.com
217.429.9001


>
From sos at olympus.net  Wed Sep 12 11:44:34 2007
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Wed Sep 12 11:44:48 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Fiery vs Creo rips
References: <015e01c7f54a$14889970$3d99cc50$@com>
Message-ID: <014f01c7f553$d169c8d0$0300a8c0@DANIEL>


> 1. Try and find an EFI employed specialist to solve your problems, have 
> you?
> Not me I cannot get no answers to any problems.
=======================

Agree with you John.  I had a Fiery and could not get any service from EFI 
on it.  I finally hauled it to the garbage dump.  (Computer recycler 
actually.) Our Color printer became a copier only and just a deep back up 
one at that.
I will never deal with EFI again if I can help it.
Customer service just isn't part of their company culture.

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860 


From amanatranslation at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 12 11:47:50 2007
From: amanatranslation at yahoo.com (nasr hussain)
Date: Wed Sep 12 11:48:15 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] four color raised print
In-Reply-To: <000801c7f4ac$3572d9a0$6309a8c0@MINIME>
Message-ID: <442452.12555.qm@web31411.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

www.heritagedelivers.com

--- ncgill@gillprintandgraphics.com wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> Hi Guys & Gals,
> Hope someone out there has a vendor for quality four
> color raised business cards. We have several large
> companies we do business cards for with pms color
> match logo and we have to have very high quality. I
> have not been able to use the local trade
> wholesalers for this work. Delivery and Quality are
> a must.
> 
> Thanks for your help
> 
> Nancy Gill
> GillPrint and Graphics
> 2310 Park Place Dr
> Gretna, Louisiana 70056
> (504) 392-9600
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From jeff at hprinting.biz  Wed Sep 12 11:55:51 2007
From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines)
Date: Wed Sep 12 11:55:46 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Certificate of Insurance Coverage for Liability and
 Workers Compensation
Message-ID: <20070912155535.11513.10298@hm-pop1.solinus.com>

We do some printing for the trade. One has 
recently has me to provide Certificate of 
Insurance Coverage for Liability and Workers 
Compensation. I've never heard of a customer 
needing proof of Workers Comp. They say in they 
were audited by their insurance company and they 
want to see this. I'm not sure what business it 
is of there who I have insurance with or how much.


Jeff

Haines Printing Co.
10575 W. Main Rd.
North East, PA 16428
(814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244
email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz  
From jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com  Wed Sep 12 12:06:26 2007
From: jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com (Jim Quinn)
Date: Wed Sep 12 12:02:56 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Certificate of Insurance Coverage for Liability and
	Workers Compensation
In-Reply-To: <20070912155535.11513.10298@hm-pop1.solinus.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAEQtRg2aCMNAu8snmGT+XWfCgAAAEAAAAGxFuPxVVxdApjDEE2sFdLgBAAAAAA==@sirspeedy4043.com>

If you make deliveries to them they may be concerned about your driver
slipping on a floor or something. Or, if they are a construction company,
their insurance auditors are always concerned about sub-contractors
operating without workers comp - if the sub does not have it the liability
will go back to the general contractor as I recall. I have a few accounts
that require certificates of insurance.

Jim Quinn
Sir Speedy 4043
15323 Midway Road
Addison, TX 75001
Phone 972-788-4266
Fax 972-788-2367
jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com
-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Haines
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 10:56 AM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] Certificate of Insurance Coverage for Liability and
Workers Compensation

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

We do some printing for the trade. One has 
recently has me to provide Certificate of 
Insurance Coverage for Liability and Workers 
Compensation. I've never heard of a customer 
needing proof of Workers Comp. They say in they 
were audited by their insurance company and they 
want to see this. I'm not sure what business it 
is of there who I have insurance with or how much.


Jeff

Haines Printing Co.
10575 W. Main Rd.
North East, PA 16428
(814) 725-1955 . Fax (814) 725-2244
email: jeff@hprinting.biz . www.hprinting.biz  
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From jeff at hprinting.biz  Wed Sep 12 12:15:10 2007
From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines)
Date: Wed Sep 12 12:15:19 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Vendor vs Subcontractor? (subject changed)
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAEQtRg2aCMNAu8snmGT+XWfCgAAAEAAAAGx
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At 12:06 PM 9/12/2007, you wrote:

>If you make deliveries to them they may be concerned about your driver
>slipping on a floor or something. Or, if they are a construction company,
>their insurance auditors are always concerned about sub-contractors
>operating without workers comp - if the sub does not have it the liability
>will go back to the general contractor as I recall. I have a few accounts
>that require certificates of insurance.


What is the difference between a vendor and 
subcontractor? If an employees slipped and fell 
while making a delivery, I guess I'm not sure who 
would be liable. It would seem since it happened 
at their place it would be there liability. But 
am I a subcontractor or am I a vendor they use? 
If I'm a subcontractor is not the paper company 
also a subcontractor? I decided not to own a 
paper mill as it is to expensive just like they 
don't own a press as it is to expensive.

Jeff

Haines Printing Co.
10575 W. Main Rd.
North East, PA 16428
(814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244
email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz  
From brianoday at eprint.us  Wed Sep 12 12:31:38 2007
From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day)
Date: Wed Sep 12 12:32:05 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format
In-Reply-To: <000401c7f3a3$4cfbfcf0$0201a8c0@GTP01>
References: <091020071154.17539.46E5307A000A76640000448322007636920902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net>
	<000401c7f3a3$4cfbfcf0$0201a8c0@GTP01>
Message-ID: <01a201c7f55a$64c8a000$6c01a8c0@Brian>

We have had an 8000 for three months and it is awesome! We let it sit for a
few days then run a print and they are perfect./ The detail in the prints is
fantastic. 

Brian O'Day
ePrint
Portland, Oregon
brianoday@eprint.us
503-684-2679

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From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 5:08 AM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

WE have the 8400 and love it. Very easy to use and no spoiled prints.
Golden Triangle Printing
80 Baffin Pl  Unit 1
Waterloo, Ontario N2V 1Z7
Ph. 519-725-1414  Fax. 519-725-2051
sales@goldentriangleprinting.com
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Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Looked at the Canon 8000 & 9000 wide format printers at graph Expo 
> yesterday.  Does anyone have any experience with these printers?  They 
> look really nice for the price.
>
> Jeff Farber
> Priority Printing & Graphics
> 1323 E. Main Street
> Flushing, MI 48433
> 810 487-1700
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From John at mpcny.com  Wed Sep 12 12:48:28 2007
From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry)
Date: Wed Sep 12 12:48:54 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Barcode Font for Print Shop Mail
In-Reply-To: <20070912154453.24019B6B7F7@rb.enter.net>
References: <20070912154453.24019B6B7F7@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <01a501c7f55c$beee67c0$3ccb3740$@com>

You must use usps bar code font, it must be 15pt and print 100% size. It
cannot be any smaller or larger. 

John M. Henry
Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
125-129 East First Street
Oswego, New York 13126
(315) 343-3531
(315) 343-3577 Fax
www.mpcny.com
John@mpcny.com

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From championprinting at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 12 12:50:16 2007
From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly)
Date: Wed Sep 12 12:50:43 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Vendor vs Subcontractor? (subject changed)
Message-ID: <766687.98558.qm@web38915.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Certificates of Insurance are not a big deal, unless you are operating without insurance, which is really the heart of the question of why are they asking (as well as the limits of coverage). You should have them from anyone working on your home or business. It's not really a privacy issue, but a way of making sure you are a legitimate, substantial business. You have the option of saying no to the request for a certificate, but I can't think of any reason you should refuse.
 
Ted Gelletly
Champion Printing
5401 New Expansion Drive
Eldersburg MD 21784
410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488
ted@championprintingonline.com 


----- Original Message ----
From: Jeff Haines <jeff@hprinting.biz>
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:15:10 PM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Vendor vs Subcontractor? (subject changed)


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

At 12:06 PM 9/12/2007, you wrote:

>If you make deliveries to them they may be concerned about your driver
>slipping on a floor or something. Or, if they are a construction company,
>their insurance auditors are always concerned about sub-contractors
>operating without workers comp - if the sub does not have it the liability
>will go back to the general contractor as I recall. I have a few accounts
>that require certificates of insurance.


What is the difference between a vendor and 
subcontractor? If an employees slipped and fell 
while making a delivery, I guess I'm not sure who 
would be liable. It would seem since it happened 
at their place it would be there liability. But 
am I a subcontractor or am I a vendor they use? 
If I'm a subcontractor is not the paper company 
also a subcontractor? I decided not to own a 
paper mill as it is to expensive just like they 
don't own a press as it is to expensive.

Jeff

Haines Printing Co.
10575 W. Main Rd.
North East, PA 16428
(814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244
email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz
From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Wed Sep 12 13:02:40 2007
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Wed Sep 12 13:01:30 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] four color raised print
In-Reply-To: <442452.12555.qm@web31411.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <442452.12555.qm@web31411.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <61F666D8-300C-4249-A21F-38ACFB64545C@falconprintandcopy.com>

I can't imagine outsourcing process thermography being inexpensive.   
I'd push them towards embossment.
Regards,

Borzou


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On Sep 12, 2007, at 11:47 AM, nasr hussain wrote:

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>
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>>
>> Hi Guys & Gals,
>> Hope someone out there has a vendor for quality four
>> color raised business cards. We have several large
>> companies we do business cards for with pms color
>> match logo and we have to have very high quality. I
>> have not been able to use the local trade
>> wholesalers for this work. Delivery and Quality are
>> a must.
>>
>> Thanks for your help
>>
>> Nancy Gill
>> GillPrint and Graphics
>> 2310 Park Place Dr
>> Gretna, Louisiana 70056
>> (504) 392-9600
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From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com  Wed Sep 12 13:02:48 2007
From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake)
Date: Wed Sep 12 13:04:09 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Barcode Font for Print Shop Mail
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Thanks John, Rick & Dennis for your help. I can handle it from here.

Mark Lake
PIP Printing
368 Jefferson Street
Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235
920.743.7370     920.743.4633 Fax
www.pipsturgeonbay.com      
Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com
 
To send a file to us, please use the link below
http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845

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[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 11:48 AM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Barcode Font for Print Shop Mail
Importance: High

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

You must use usps bar code font, it must be 15pt and print 100% size. It
cannot be any smaller or larger. 

John M. Henry
Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
125-129 East First Street
Oswego, New York 13126
(315) 343-3531
(315) 343-3577 Fax
www.mpcny.com
John@mpcny.com

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From markath1 at verizon.net  Wed Sep 12 13:27:39 2007
From: markath1 at verizon.net (Rick Martin)
Date: Wed Sep 12 13:28:28 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Certificate of Insurance Coverage for Liability and
	Workers Compensation
In-Reply-To: <20070912155535.11513.10298@hm-pop1.solinus.com>
Message-ID: <001701c7f562$38b6e960$650a0a0a@advanced8l9v8x>

The states are making it their business.  If we pay people who do not have
workers comp in place, the state wants MY carrier to add those dollar
amounts to MY payroll numbers and I have to pay it.  

That is how it was explained to me.  Their "theory" is that if the guy gets
hurt, he will apply to the state for assistance anyway and the state is
trying to get that money into their pool of dollars.  Only a politician
could find such a roundabout way to grab a few extra bucks.  

Rick Martin
Advanced Print & Copy
229 Memorial Avenue
W Springfield,  MA  01089
413-736-9808
markath1@verizon.net
www.advancedprintandcopy.com


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Haines
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 11:56 AM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] Certificate of Insurance Coverage for Liability and
Workers Compensation

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

We do some printing for the trade. One has 
recently has me to provide Certificate of 
Insurance Coverage for Liability and Workers 
Compensation. I've never heard of a customer 
needing proof of Workers Comp. They say in they 
were audited by their insurance company and they 
want to see this. I'm not sure what business it 
is of there who I have insurance with or how much.


Jeff

Haines Printing Co.
10575 W. Main Rd.
North East, PA 16428
(814) 725-1955 . Fax (814) 725-2244
email: jeff@hprinting.biz . www.hprinting.biz  
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From Azkwikkopy at aol.com  Wed Sep 12 13:39:23 2007
From: Azkwikkopy at aol.com (Azkwikkopy@aol.com)
Date: Wed Sep 12 13:39:45 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Fiery vs Creo rips
Message-ID: <cf5.15be5936.34197e4b@aol.com>

Did I miss something?  I have a fiery connected to my Canon machines and I 
deal with Canon not Fiery.

Nick Allion 
Copy Right Printing
2406 S. 24th Street
Phoenix, Arizona 85034
v - 602-275-7255
f - 602-275-9711
c - 602-882-9681
e - copyrightaz@aol.com

Pledge
Your Copy will be Right, look great and be on time, the first time.





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From jeff at hprinting.biz  Wed Sep 12 13:43:58 2007
From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines)
Date: Wed Sep 12 13:44:05 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Certificate of Insurance Coverage for
	Liability and Workers Compensation
In-Reply-To: <001701c7f562$38b6e960$650a0a0a@advanced8l9v8x>
References: <20070912155535.11513.10298@hm-pop1.solinus.com>
	<001701c7f562$38b6e960$650a0a0a@advanced8l9v8x>
Message-ID: <20070912174342.10075.798@hm-pop1.solinus.com>

At 01:27 PM 9/12/2007, you wrote:
>The states are making it their business.  If we pay people who do not have
>workers comp in place, the state wants MY carrier to add those dollar
>amounts to MY payroll numbers and I have to pay it.


I can understand the state and they do audit us 
for worker's comp, but to start having our 
vendors seems unnecessary and a waste of time.

Jeff

Haines Printing Co.
10575 W. Main Rd.
North East, PA 16428
(814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244
email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz  
From rstor at copycats.com  Wed Sep 12 14:02:57 2007
From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor)
Date: Wed Sep 12 14:05:00 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] MS Word question
Message-ID: <46E829D1.8060104@copycats.com>

A client wanted their letterhead converted to a Word template.

We gave them the file with the LH converted into a graphic and placed as 
a header for odd # pages.

The problem is that if the letter is longer than 2 pages, the header 
shows up again on p3.

Any quick solutions/ideas?

I thought of taking it out of the header had pasting it as a graphic at 
the top of the page, but I know of no way to lock it so that they will 
not delete it accidentally. Also, it did not seem like a particularly 
elegant solution.

TIA

Bob Stor
Copycats
New York, NY
212-557-2111 x20
www.copycats.com
From sos at olympus.net  Wed Sep 12 14:16:31 2007
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Wed Sep 12 14:17:39 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Fiery vs Creo rips
References: <cf5.15be5936.34197e4b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <01dc01c7f569$0bb7baf0$0300a8c0@DANIEL>

> Did I miss something?  I have a fiery connected to my Canon machines and I
> deal with Canon not Fiery.
================

What happens if it quits working and Canon just shrugs.  In my case it was a 
Minolta CF90, (this is going back a few years) the dealer couldn't fix the 
Fiery.  EFI wouldn't stand behind it and simply would not communicate with 
me. They only deal with dealers.

Which is fine, if that's how they choose to do business and there are enough 
customers out there who can deal with that.

In my opinion, if you have a choice between Fiery and Creo, go with the 
Creo.

Creo too, would rather deal with their dealers and let them deal with the 
end customers, but they did give me phone numbers of their tech people to 
contact if necessary.  Creo appears to me to be a much more customer 
oriented company than EFI.
Of course my experience is limited.

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860 


From mail at myprinter.biz  Wed Sep 12 14:17:31 2007
From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz)
Date: Wed Sep 12 14:17:44 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] MS Word question
In-Reply-To: <46E829D1.8060104@copycats.com>
Message-ID: <BEEIIPIOGLPLKIAABOLAGEBBCOAA.mail@myprinter.biz>

Robert -

One of Word's options is (or used to be) a header for the first page that's
different than the headers for balance.

If it still does, "the balance" could be set to blank.

Dan
Sir Speedy Printing Center
5845 Hollywood Boulevard
Hollywood, FL 33021
t 954.962.1309
f 954.962.1366
dan@myprinter.biz
www.myprinter.biz





-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Robert Stor
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:03 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] MS Word question


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

A client wanted their letterhead converted to a Word template.

We gave them the file with the LH converted into a graphic and placed as
a header for odd # pages.

The problem is that if the letter is longer than 2 pages, the header
shows up again on p3.

Any quick solutions/ideas?

I thought of taking it out of the header had pasting it as a graphic at
the top of the page, but I know of no way to lock it so that they will
not delete it accidentally. Also, it did not seem like a particularly
elegant solution.

TIA

Bob Stor
Copycats
New York, NY
212-557-2111 x20
www.copycats.com
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From mark at bkprint.com  Wed Sep 12 14:26:53 2007
From: mark at bkprint.com (Mark)
Date: Wed Sep 12 14:34:19 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Envelope Feeders
Message-ID: <p06020407c30ddf01458d@[192.168.1.2]>

I've got a Heidelberg Printmaster QM-46 and an AB Dick 9810 any 
suggestions on an envelope feeder that would work great with both?
-- 
Always A Pleasure~
Mark Bell

B&K
Marketing | Design | Print | Mailing
137 Citizens Boulevard
Simpsonville, Kentucky  40067

866.884.9425 Phone
502.722.2261 Fax

http://bkprint.com/
From mark at bkprint.com  Wed Sep 12 14:24:04 2007
From: mark at bkprint.com (Mark)
Date: Wed Sep 12 14:34:25 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Bubble Pack Envelopes
Message-ID: <p06020406c30ddeb132ae@[192.168.1.2]>

Anyone got a good source for bubble pack envelopes or mailers?
-- 
Always A Pleasure~
Mark Bell

B&K
Marketing | Design | Print | Mailing
137 Citizens Boulevard
Simpsonville, Kentucky  40067

866.884.9425 Phone
502.722.2261 Fax

http://bkprint.com/
From billg at TGAssociates.com  Wed Sep 12 14:35:45 2007
From: billg at TGAssociates.com (Bill Greif)
Date: Wed Sep 12 14:36:00 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Where to get new Tamper Proof RX paper?
In-Reply-To: <B164774E-4EB6-4748-90AB-11C2A8DB13AC@ptialaska.net>
References: <B164774E-4EB6-4748-90AB-11C2A8DB13AC@ptialaska.net>
Message-ID: <003701c7f56b$bbb44d90$6701a8c0@BILL>

At the NAQP Suppliers Showcase on Friday, Deb and I had a table next to a
supplier who offered secure documents and they were ready to provide the Rx
papers. 

The company was Micro Format, Inc in Wheeling, IL. The contacts were Aaron
Singer and Stephen Singer. Toll free was 800-333-0549.
Emails were asinger@microformat.net and stevesinger@microformat.net. 

Don't know any thing about pricing; we were too busy pushing our products.

Just to echo what others have said, NAQP owner's conference was a great show
and a very enthusiastic crowd. It was good to see lots of friends there.

Bill Greif
TG & Associates
billg@tgassociates.com
www.tgassociates.com
Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515
Toll Free 877-842-7762

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charles A. Lincoln
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 5:44 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] Where to get new Tamper Proof RX paper?

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

In October the feds will require any medicaid prescription sheets to be
printed on tamper proof paper.
WHERE DO WE GET THAT???

Thanks,

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

Charles Lincoln
ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
612 30th Avenue
Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
(907) 451-1111
fax (907) 451-4511

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From rstor at copycats.com  Wed Sep 12 14:37:14 2007
From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor)
Date: Wed Sep 12 14:39:14 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] MS Word question
In-Reply-To: <BEEIIPIOGLPLKIAABOLAGEBBCOAA.mail@myprinter.biz>
References: <BEEIIPIOGLPLKIAABOLAGEBBCOAA.mail@myprinter.biz>
Message-ID: <46E831DA.70802@copycats.com>

Dan,

Thank you.

I was looking at it and just saw the "odd and even" option. Of course 
you are right.

Regards,
Bob

mail@myprinter.biz wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Robert -
>
> One of Word's options is (or used to be) a header for the first page that's
> different than the headers for balance.
>
> If it still does, "the balance" could be set to blank.
>
> Dan
> Sir Speedy Printing Center
> 5845 Hollywood Boulevard
> Hollywood, FL 33021
> t 954.962.1309
> f 954.962.1366
> dan@myprinter.biz
> www.myprinter.biz
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Robert Stor
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:03 PM
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> Subject: [PrintOwners] MS Word question
>
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> A client wanted their letterhead converted to a Word template.
>
> We gave them the file with the LH converted into a graphic and placed as
> a header for odd # pages.
>
> The problem is that if the letter is longer than 2 pages, the header
> shows up again on p3.
>
> Any quick solutions/ideas?
>
> I thought of taking it out of the header had pasting it as a graphic at
> the top of the page, but I know of no way to lock it so that they will
> not delete it accidentally. Also, it did not seem like a particularly
> elegant solution.
>
> TIA
>
> Bob Stor
> Copycats
> New York, NY
> 212-557-2111 x20
> www.copycats.com
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>   
From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com  Wed Sep 12 14:46:54 2007
From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo)
Date: Wed Sep 12 14:47:07 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Heads Up - InDesign's  CS3 Annoying Habit
Message-ID: <46E8341E.2070402@sugarloafprint.com>

In the past when you saved a file it would always be saved into the same
folder it was retrieved from. Now with CS3 it is saved into the last
folder that is opened. It is too damn easy to misplace a file.

-- 
Ron Sardo
Sugarloaf Print Shop
mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com
www.sugarloafprint.com
570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077
From kellycrom at gmail.com  Wed Sep 12 14:52:34 2007
From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics)
Date: Wed Sep 12 14:51:06 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Envelope Feeders
In-Reply-To: <p06020407c30ddf01458d@[192.168.1.2]>
References: <p06020407c30ddf01458d@[192.168.1.2]>
Message-ID: <06c901c7f56e$16025dd0$6d01a8c0@KELLY>

www.suspensionfeeder.com	
We have 2 of them. Buy 1 and it will work on both your presses.

Kelly Crom
Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.

We've Moved!!!
2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
Plymouth, MN  55441
New Phone:  (763)231-6970
kellycrom@gmail.com
www.applied-graphics.com 

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org 
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 1:27 PM
> To: printowners@printweb.org
> Subject: [PrintOwners] Envelope Feeders
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> I've got a Heidelberg Printmaster QM-46 and an AB Dick 9810 any 
> suggestions on an envelope feeder that would work great with both?
> -- 
> Always A Pleasure~
> Mark Bell
> 
> B&K
> Marketing | Design | Print | Mailing
> 137 Citizens Boulevard
> Simpsonville, Kentucky  40067
> 
> 866.884.9425 Phone
> 502.722.2261 Fax
> 
> http://bkprint.com/
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> 

From kellycrom at gmail.com  Wed Sep 12 14:52:48 2007
From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics)
Date: Wed Sep 12 14:51:26 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Bubble Pack Envelopes
In-Reply-To: <p06020406c30ddeb132ae@[192.168.1.2]>
References: <p06020406c30ddeb132ae@[192.168.1.2]>
Message-ID: <06ca01c7f56e$1e451500$6d01a8c0@KELLY>

www.uline.com

Kelly Crom
Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.

We've Moved!!!
2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
Plymouth, MN  55441
New Phone:  (763)231-6970
kellycrom@gmail.com
www.applied-graphics.com 

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org 
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 1:24 PM
> To: printowners@printweb.org
> Subject: [PrintOwners] Bubble Pack Envelopes
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> Anyone got a good source for bubble pack envelopes or mailers?
> -- 
> Always A Pleasure~
> Mark Bell
> 
> B&K
> Marketing | Design | Print | Mailing
> 137 Citizens Boulevard
> Simpsonville, Kentucky  40067
> 
> 866.884.9425 Phone
> 502.722.2261 Fax
> 
> http://bkprint.com/
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> 

From bob at rjmprinting.com  Wed Sep 12 14:52:11 2007
From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek)
Date: Wed Sep 12 14:59:25 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Bubble Pack Envelopes
In-Reply-To: <p06020406c30ddeb132ae@[192.168.1.2]>
Message-ID: <auto-000061718635@popp.net>

Uline

Bob Molacek
Sir Speedy Printing
7793 Ranchers Road
Fridley, MN  55432
763-571-4608
bob@rjmprinting.com
 
-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 1:24 PM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] Bubble Pack Envelopes

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Anyone got a good source for bubble pack envelopes or mailers?
-- 
Always A Pleasure~
Mark Bell

B&K
Marketing | Design | Print | Mailing
137 Citizens Boulevard
Simpsonville, Kentucky  40067

866.884.9425 Phone
502.722.2261 Fax

http://bkprint.com/
_______________________________________________
PrintOwners Discussion List
Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners

From ssheers at sheergraphics.com  Wed Sep 12 15:08:25 2007
From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers)
Date: Wed Sep 12 15:03:28 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Envelope Feeders
In-Reply-To: <20070912184709.E8206B6D14A@rb.enter.net>
References: <20070912184709.E8206B6D14A@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <a566dc454bd8b67b6e1e540a2cb1d15c@sheergraphics.com>

Suspension Feeder's Universal feeder. 
<http://www.suspensionfeeder.com/universal.asp>

Works great on our QM 46s, but do have some instruction for the 
operator. The 'Universal' version should work on your 9810 too.

> I've got a Heidelberg Printmaster QM-46 and an AB Dick 9810 any 
> suggestions on an envelope feeder that would work great with both?

Please reply to Simon Sheers at:
<ssheers@sheergraphics.com>

Sheer Graphics Inc.
47 Chestnut Avenue,
Westmont, IL 60559-1127
Tel: (630) 654-4422
<http://www.sheergraphics.com>
Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more
From info at towinglogs.com  Wed Sep 12 15:52:28 2007
From: info at towinglogs.com (Paul DiModica)
Date: Wed Sep 12 15:53:06 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] mailing list
Message-ID: <46E8437C.2060408@towinglogs.com>

Who is the cheapest for a mailing list that I can use anytime?

Paul DiModica
Mayflower Publishing
25 Starline Way
Cranston, RI 02921
401-275-0254
From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Wed Sep 12 16:13:27 2007
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Wed Sep 12 16:13:46 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] mailing list
In-Reply-To: <46E8437C.2060408@towinglogs.com>
References: <46E8437C.2060408@towinglogs.com>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0709121313h52c45d8bt69fd1bb74401b54e@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/12/07, Paul DiModica <info@towinglogs.com> wrote:
>
> Who is the cheapest for a mailing list that I can use anytime?


Look for a source that only updates its lists every couple of years or so.


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com

====================================
Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
                                                     ~ Lord Bacon
From rick at jmjprinting.com  Wed Sep 12 16:22:30 2007
From: rick at jmjprinting.com (Rick Foster)
Date: Wed Sep 12 16:18:16 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Vendor vs Subcontractor? (subject changed)
In-Reply-To: <766687.98558.qm@web38915.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <766687.98558.qm@web38915.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p05100315c30df8a6b761@[192.168.1.4]>

In reference to the message sent by Ted Gelletly, on 9/12/07, at 9:50 AM -0700:

>Certificates of Insurance are not a big deal, unless you are 
>operating without insurance, which is really the heart of the 
>question of why are they asking (as well as the limits of coverage). 
>You should have them from anyone working on your home or business. 
>It's not really a privacy issue, but a way of making sure you are a 
>legitimate, substantial business. You have the option of saying no 
>to the request for a certificate, but I can't think of any reason 
>you should refuse.

I refused to supply a customer with proof of insurance once. I got a 
letter from them demanding we provide them with proof of insurance 
covering not only our own employees, but also covering their 
employees to a specified ridiculous high amount. I returned the 
letter with a note that we are not an insurance provider and if they 
wanted their employees covered by insurance they should look into 
providing that them self and not by asking their local printer to pay 
their employee benefits for them.

Turned out it was a form letter for a construction company sent to 
their sub contractors and suppliers and we just happen to be in the 
list of suppliers. We were not supposed to get the letter. They got a 
good laugh out of my reply as well as the way their letter was worded 
it did sound like they wanted us to pay their employees insurance 
coverage for them.
-- 

Rick

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
        Rick B. Foster          JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA
  mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com        http://www.jmjprinting.com
         425.334.9716               Your Full Service Print Shop
       425.397.9716 Fax             We Appreciate Your Business!
_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
From acepm2 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 12 18:05:57 2007
From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas)
Date: Wed Sep 12 18:06:13 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Barcode Font for Print Shop Mail
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAAPPHMycce3tBny+kMZ2rgvsBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAAPPHMycce3tBny+kMZ2rgvsBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>
Message-ID: <c2778de30709121505o6e37e828t6180d461788f3a87@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting array of comments made here. It would be wise to invest in the
actual Postnet Barcode font. Although one writer suggested a point size of
15, you would be cautioned against this. Why? There are many fonts out there
(free & paid) that purport to be Postnet bars. This just is not so. So the
long answer is you have to find out what is available to suit your needs AND
be acceptable.

[image: This graphic shows the postnet barcode tolerances. A full bar must
be 0.125 plus or minus 0.010 inch high. A half bar must be 0.050 plus or
minus 0.010 inch high. All bars must be 0.020 plus or minus 0.005 inch wide.
Measured over any 1/2 inch, horizontal spacing of the bars must be 22 plus
or minus 2 bars per inch, and pitch (a bar and a space) must average at
least 0.0416 inch but no more than 0.05 inch. The clear vertical space
between bars must not be less than 0.012 inch or more than 0.04 inch.]

The above graphic gives you an example of what what is expected. Should you
run into Merlin (no, NOT the magician!) you are going to be held to a much
higher standard than those of us who are not. Just ask anyone on here about
their problems with Merlin! If you are entering the USPS mail stream at your
local level (not an SCF or BMC) you should be o.k.

Check the fonts that are in MS Word. You'll probably see one entitled
USPS.TFF. If you don't have that, merely do a google search for Postnet
Barcode fonts. There are several out there. Get one. Download it and then
check it with the USPS template to make sure it is accurate in size.

Good luck!

Thom Gulyas
aka MAIL GOD
ACE Printing & Mailing
www.acepm.com







On 9/12/07, Mark Lake <mark@pipsturgeonbay.com> wrote:
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I've got a mailing due tomorrow and it is my first time using Print Shop
> Mail to run a 2 sided self mailer through our B&W copier. Print Shop Mail
> people tell me I have to print the barcode in several point sizes and get
> the correct size approved by USPS prior to doing the job. The person who
> OK's this stuff around here is 40 miles away and it will take at least 2
> days to get approval and I don't have that much time. In situations like
> this in the past we have run all of the inside, flipped the stack and run
> the outside (with mailing info) but lately the copier has been putting
> wrinkles in the paper when running the second side so we end up running
> B&W
> on the color copier which costs 3 times as much. I know, the tech needs to
> fix the problem but they blame the paper, the weather, anything but the
> machine itself. Anyone else using PSM that knows what size font works?
>
>
> Mark Lake
> PIP Printing
> 368 Jefferson Street
> Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235
> 920.743.7370     920.743.4633 Fax
> www.pipsturgeonbay.com <http://www.pipsturgeonbay.com/>
> Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com
>
> To send a file to us, please use the link below
> http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>


-- 
Thom Gulyas
ACE Printing & Mailing
Berlin, Maryland 21811
www.acepm.com
From zapit at zapcolor.com  Wed Sep 12 19:26:26 2007
From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez)
Date: Wed Sep 12 19:31:10 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: mailing list
In-Reply-To: <20070912220613.DD71AB6E1D7@rb.enter.net>
References: <20070912220613.DD71AB6E1D7@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <0F2F8FCF-A288-4143-AD79-843398413B5F@zapcolor.com>

When is cheap NOT cheap???

The cheapest one is one you type yourself.

If you are trying to get a list for your business, the best, by far,  
is www.ZapData.com

We are not related at all to this co. but you can pick names by SIC  
code, employee, $$$, etc.
Your best price is 1000+ and is NOT the cheapest, but very up to date  
and you can focus on prospects, (in your case just towing companies,  
and you can do only ones with 5+ employees) exactly!

But remember, postage is no bargain anymore, go thru the list after  
purchasing, if you don't have the time, don't waste your money on any  
list.


On Sep 12, 2007, at 3:06 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote:

>
> Who is the cheapest for a mailing list that I can use anytime?
>
> Paul DiModica
> Mayflower Publishing
> 25 Starline Way
> Cranston, RI 02921
> 401-275-0254
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:13:27 -0400
> From: "Michael Vogel" <mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] mailing list
> To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only"
> 	<printowners@printweb.org>
> Message-ID:
> 	<98f5b19a0709121313h52c45d8bt69fd1bb74401b54e@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On 9/12/07, Paul DiModica <info@towinglogs.com> wrote:
>>
>> Who is the cheapest for a mailing list that I can use anytime?
>
>
> Look for a source that only updates its lists every couple of years  
> or so.

Eugene Montanez
ZAP Printing & Graphics
127 Radio Rd
Corona, CA 92879
951-734-8181

Zapit@zapcolor.com




From zapit at zapcolor.com  Wed Sep 12 19:27:21 2007
From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez)
Date: Wed Sep 12 19:32:04 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] ImageRunner 105 Scanner PDF driver
In-Reply-To: <20070912220613.DD71AB6E1D7@rb.enter.net>
References: <20070912220613.DD71AB6E1D7@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <CB7619BB-DE50-4F62-92C8-494B2EFF854D@zapcolor.com>

I need to scan back from the copier to either MAC or PC
Does anyone have the plugin for Acrobat or other solution?

Thanks


>

Eugene Montanez
ZAP Printing & Graphics
127 Radio Rd
Corona, CA 92879
951-734-8181

Zapit@zapcolor.com




From zapit at zapcolor.com  Wed Sep 12 19:33:27 2007
From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez)
Date: Wed Sep 12 19:38:07 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Prayers for our pilot (off)
In-Reply-To: <20070912220613.DD71AB6E1D7@rb.enter.net>
References: <20070912220613.DD71AB6E1D7@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <1F2873D5-4DAA-4F7A-841D-08D3520B79DC@zapcolor.com>

If everyone could keep Mark Waters, one of our police dept.  
helicopter pilots in your prayers.

He was the pilot yesterday in the filming accident in the Gulf of  
Mexico.

>

Eugene Montanez

Mayor


ZAP Printing & Graphics
127 Radio Rd
Corona, CA 92879
951-734-8181

Zapit@zapcolor.com




From allreadyprinting at gmail.com  Wed Sep 12 19:53:27 2007
From: allreadyprinting at gmail.com (All Ready Printing)
Date: Wed Sep 12 19:53:37 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Thank you all
Message-ID: <844f39e80709121653v74996c19pd4d8e83e6dadd99a@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to thank you all for your fine wishes of condolence and support
during such a devastating time for my family. We appreciated the good
comments about this nice young 28 year old man who was just beginning to
contribute to the printing field. I know and all that knew him that the
world missed greatness with his early passing. We especially appreciate
those who came to calling hours here in Vestal New York for Matt. It was
difficult during the time but as we reflect back we appreciate the many
people who attended including friends from this list Bob and Lori Lavarnway
of Elmira and Kathy and John Henry who came from Oswego to pay respects and
comfort us during our troubled time.
Matt's pretty widow Diane is naturally caught the brunt of this loss because
they were only married three years ago.
Diane asked me today to send this information to all business associates in
an effort to cure this Cancer which takes wonderful bright young individuals
like my son.
I forward this to you in case you would like to help.
Ernie Kensey

Hi everyone. I'm sending this as "Bcc" to most people in my address book.
I'll start by saying that this email is not sent to offend anyone if they
have already donated...It's just going to  lots of people. You may also feel
free to forward this to others. I would actually appreciate it as I would
like to this reach many more people....
As most of you know, my husband Matt passed away on 8/28/07 after battling
acute lymphoblastic leukemia for just over a year. Matt was very clear in
his communication to me that he felt he was being robbed of decades of his
life. However, he always handled this privately, with dignity and courage.
Before and even after he passed away, I told him thank you. Thank you for
being an awesome husband, for being the reason behind the best years of my
life, for teaching me so much and inspiring so many people.

I write to you today in hopes that you will help further Matt's mission.
Matt would participate in any clinical trial or tissue/marrow collection
that was available and relevant to him because it was his way to contribute
toward research and development of better treatment for leukemia. He was
motivated to help others lead a healthier and longer life after their
diagnosis because he felt that it was his way to beat the disease in the
long run.

A scholarship was established at Seton Catholic Central in Matt's name and
will be awarded every June to a graduating senior who plans to study
medicine or medical research (a growing field!). This scholarship will
continue to take donations. The hope is to help students become doctors or
researchers to help patients like Matt. Donations may be mailed to The
Matthew Kensey Memorial Scholarship Fund c/o Seton Catholic Central, 70
Seminary Ave., Binghamton, N.Y. 13905.

I am asking people who did not donate to the scholarship to donate to the
scholarship. Or if you prefer, you can also donate to the Light the Night
walk.  Light the Night is an annual fund raiser for the Leukemia and
Lymphoma Society. The main goal of this event is exactly what Matt liked to
do- support researchers! Light the Night does it through fund raising, Matt
did it through donation of tissue, marrow, clinical trials and completion of
surveys.  You can visit my Light the Night web page for more details on
donation. You may also donate via cash or check to my home address by 9/27.
Contact me privately for my home address.
http://www.active.com/donate/ltnCNY/2140_msdibutterfly


A non-financial method to help battle leukemia and other marrow disorders is
to join the bone marrow registry. http://www.marrow.org/  You may also visit
my blog more information on Matt's struggle, my struggle and donation
information.
Di's blog http://www.francescanova.blogspot.com/
Matt's blog http://nuggets-wet-head.blogspot.com/

I thank all of you for your support of Matt's memory, which means a great
deal to me and I know he would be so moved by the outpouring of support I
have seen already. Matt was truly an inspiration to so many people. If we
could all be lucky to love what we do everyday, love those around us with
enthusiasm and live life so fully- all in 28 years. He certainly did a good
job packing it all in such a short time, he just wished (as do I) that he
had time to do more.
Thank you for helping Matt further his mission. Thank you for supporting my
mission of helping Matt reach his goals.
Diane

-- 
All Ready Inc.
Modern offset printing, custom thermography,
and full-service direct mail solutions.
http://www.allready.com
Call us toll free:
(888)-270-7780
From craig at newhavenprint.com  Wed Sep 12 20:09:39 2007
From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger)
Date: Wed Sep 12 20:08:38 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] ImageRunner 105 Scanner PDF driver
In-Reply-To: <CB7619BB-DE50-4F62-92C8-494B2EFF854D@zapcolor.com>
Message-ID: <20070913000837.921E7B6EB8E@rb.enter.net>

Canon Network Scangear works very well. It works through Acrobat (PC).
Here's a link
http://www.canonusa.com/html/download/canonnetutils.html

Craig Dellinger 
New Haven Print & Copy
7531 US 930 East
Fort Wayne, IN 46803
260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579
www.newhavenprint.com 

> 
> I need to scan back from the copier to either MAC or PC Does 
> anyone have the plugin for Acrobat or other solution?
> 
> Thanks

> Eugene Montanez
> ZAP Printing & Graphics
> 127 Radio Rd
> Corona, CA 92879
> 951-734-8181

From scott at usacolor.com  Wed Sep 12 20:22:54 2007
From: scott at usacolor.com (scott)
Date: Wed Sep 12 20:23:24 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] mailing list
In-Reply-To: <46E8437C.2060408@towinglogs.com>
References: <46E8437C.2060408@towinglogs.com>
Message-ID: <46E882DE.10009@usacolor.com>

Info Usa has pretty good list. Not as accurate but alot more 
interesting(credit score, # employees etc...) is complete financial data 
877-56-leads. The DVD has most business in the US on it - and has no 
usage restrictions.

Scott Balsiger, 
President
USA Color Printing Inc.
www.usacolor.com
791 Manhomen Dr.
Bemidji, MN 56601
800-759-9126
218-759-9126
218-759-2883(fax)
218-556-5505(cell)



Paul DiModica wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Who is the cheapest for a mailing list that I can use anytime?
>
> Paul DiModica
> Mayflower Publishing
> 25 Starline Way
> Cranston, RI 02921
> 401-275-0254
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>
From Nancy at printingresources.com  Wed Sep 12 21:31:37 2007
From: Nancy at printingresources.com (Nancy Dediemar)
Date: Wed Sep 12 21:19:06 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] mailing list
Message-ID: <A1D90C7B49645049BCE819E71EA43D9843F36C@premail1.printres.local>

Paul,
Do you need a consumer list, a business list, or a response list? Is it for you or for a customer?

Nancy DeDiemar
Printing Resources of Southern California
893 W 9th St, Upland, CA 91786
909/981-5715 phone
909/981-9396 FAX
http://www.printingresources.com
mailto:nancy@printingresources.com 


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Who is the cheapest for a mailing list that I can use anytime?
>
> Paul DiModica
> Mayflower Publishing
> 25 Starline Way
> Cranston, RI 02921
> 401-275-0254
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>
_______________________________________________
PrintOwners Discussion List
Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners

From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com  Wed Sep 12 23:26:59 2007
From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt)
Date: Wed Sep 12 23:27:21 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign Printing Problem
Message-ID: <C30E1833.868C%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>

Hello,

I am tearing my hair out trying to solve this problem, so hopefully someone
out there has a solution. Had InDesign CS installed on a Mac Mini running
10.4.9, 512 MB memory, printing to a HPXXX combo inkjet printer. Printer is
relatively new, but otherwise, no changes and up until about a week ago,
printing just fine.

Suddenly for no reason (well, I?m sure something happened), black is
printing with a shadow. Only black. Doesn?t do it in any other program or
any other color. Only black and only in InDesign. I jumped through the usual
hoops believing the operator inadvertently launched some program level
preference that affected all files. Found nothing. Upgraded to InDesign CS2,
trashed all the preference files I could find, same exact thing. Existing
file ? prints a black shadow. New file ? prints the shadow. Tested it on red
and blue ? no shadow. Played around with ?true black? vs. ?rich black?
settings. No dice. I am officially out of ideas.

The operator is my 84 year old mother who has been doing this since our
first MacPlus and PageMaker, but these days seems to push buttons without
meaning to and all kinds of strange things happen. I have solved them all so
far, but this one is going to make me crazy.

If anyone has any ideas before I break down and call Adobe, I would be
grateful.

Thanks so much,

Cyndy Wendt
Pioneer Printing Inc
Lincoln, NE
402-483-7575
cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com

From acepm2 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 13 06:07:55 2007
From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas)
Date: Thu Sep 13 06:08:07 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] mailing list
In-Reply-To: <46E8437C.2060408@towinglogs.com>
References: <46E8437C.2060408@towinglogs.com>
Message-ID: <c2778de30709130307qf490abm22084fa6eda482b4@mail.gmail.com>

Paul,

Curious as to why you picked "cheapest" over "accurate?" Perhaps this list
is not for you? Or is it? After buying these lists for over 22+ years (like
Dennis, Nancy, etc.) we can tell you that there is a lot of garbage out
there. Plenty of it. There are less than five actual list sources out there;
the rest, like infoUSA, etc. at list compilers. They get lists from many
different sources and "claim" to compile them into more accurate mailing
lists. The problems come in when you realize that they do not accurately
cross check, dedupe or substantiate the product they are selling. We have
run into many instances where the data is more than 15 years old and they
are claiming it is fresh and up to date!!!

Now some of the less experienced mailers on the list will not see the
reasons for spending the extra money to get a quality mailing list. Why?
They just don't have the knowledge of what questions to ask of the supplier.
For instance, insist that the supplier give you 5-10,000 free names and
addresses of businesses and residential prospects of an area you are
familiar with. Yes GIVE... not purchase. When you get the list, scan it for
yourself. Look up closed businesses and friends that have moved to check the
accuracy of the list. I will actually mail a few thousand at my cost to
check the accuracy. If the supplier balks at your request RUN... do not walk
away!

Ask them what the accuracy % is, how often they update, what (if any)
guarantees they have. They will be there if you insist on them and don't let
anyone tell you otherwise.

As far as getting the data on an unlimited DVD or something, don't do it.
This is one of the biggest scams going. That data is changing by the hour.
By the time the DVD's arrive at your office I can promise you that a
majority of it is stale. You're only asking for trouble here by using this
means.

I never understood why someone would go to all of the expense that we do to
print the most beautiful products possible (we all print this way, right? :)
) only to basically trash it with the cheapest list possible and know that
the returns are not going to be there!

If you want some quality lists... contact BENJY UHL buhl@n-focus.com
740-654-5809 x119. They have some amazing lists online. Tell him I sent you.
His lists are dead on for what I've found. The pricing is extremely
competitive once setup you can download immediately.

In a nut shell just remember.... you get what you pay for.

Thom Gulyas
ACE Printing & Mailing
www.acepm.com





On 9/12/07, Paul DiModica <info@towinglogs.com> wrote:
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Who is the cheapest for a mailing list that I can use anytime?
>
> Paul DiModica
> Mayflower Publishing
> 25 Starline Way
> Cranston, RI 02921
> 401-275-0254
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>


-- 
Thom Gulyas
ACE Printing & Mailing
Berlin, Maryland 21811
www.acepm.com
From robin at protypeonline.com  Thu Sep 13 08:17:24 2007
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Thu Sep 13 08:16:50 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Envelope Feeders
Message-ID: <F0CA0328-8385-4BC1-A345-6FEF0CCBD868@protypeonline.com>

Hey Mark!!!! Long-time, no-see, no-hear -- soooo, how goes life in  
the printing business?
Question for you -- are you using the same plates on both presses? As  
my own business continues to grow and time becomes more valuable on  
the qm46-2, I've often thought that I should have kept one of my  
abdick 375's JUST to run envelopes on -- but then reality sets in and  
I remember that the ripit plates, size and some other things were not  
a good "fit" for the abdick. It may have just been the physical size?  
Honestly can't remember. Would be interested in knowing how you or if  
you are using the same plates and how it works.
:)
Robin

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com


From swiftyprinting at mac.com  Thu Sep 13 08:38:42 2007
From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck)
Date: Thu Sep 13 08:39:26 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF to InDesign plug in
In-Reply-To: <F0CA0328-8385-4BC1-A345-6FEF0CCBD868@protypeonline.com>
References: <F0CA0328-8385-4BC1-A345-6FEF0CCBD868@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <A39C5373-2098-4667-9323-EEC3211443F8@mac.com>

> Recosoft has a new plug in for InDesign. It allows you to Open PDFs  
> in InDesign. You will still have the same problems if you do Not  
> have all of the fonts. But it will open a multiple page PDF in  
> InDesign with all of the formatting. A cool little plug in. However  
> I have noticed large documents with missing fonts do tend to crash  
> InDesign. This is only their first version so I am sure they will  
> be fixing a few of the bugs. Just another emergency "can opener"  
> for a PDF workflow. Notice I say emergency because if you need to  
> fix a PDF it should be in Acrobat that you fix it. But if you need  
> to recover a document because only a PDF exists it is a great tool.

Below is Recosoft's description.


> http://www.recosoft.com/products/pdf2id/

> PDF2ID is a PDF document conversion tool for Adobe? InDesign? .
>
> PDF2ID converts PDF documents into a fully editable InDesign file  
> recreating the intended construction and layout of the document.
>
>
> PDF2ID recreates the intended construction and layout of the  
> document by forming paragraphs; applying styles; regrouping  
> independent graphic elements; extracting images; creating tables;  
> recovering annotations and other elements automatically. PDF2ID  
> converts every page in a PDF file to an equivalent page in the  
> resulting InDesign document.
>
> PDF2ID also provides options for converting or extracting data from  
> a range of pages in a PDF document. You can extract text or images,  
> or convert the entire document to the InDesign format.
>
> PDF2ID enables recovery and reuse of the contents stored in PDF  
> documents making them available for use by anyone. Since PDF2ID is  
> a plug-in for Adobe InDesign it is not necessary to acquire and  
> install additional PDF editing software and tools, resulting in  
> huge cost savings in both time and expense.
>
>

Chuck Pappas
Arlington Swifty Printing
1386 Massachusetts Avenue
Arlington, MA 02476
781-646-8700
www.arlingtonswifty.com
From ssheers at sheergraphics.com  Thu Sep 13 10:28:22 2007
From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers)
Date: Thu Sep 13 10:23:29 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: mailing list
In-Reply-To: <20070913100810.BEFD5B714DF@rb.enter.net>
References: <20070913100810.BEFD5B714DF@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <0f6709e3751c9abf5a6d859919de4e25@sheergraphics.com>

"..... but very up to date..... "

ZapData is a Dun and Bradstreet company - with a dubious reputation in 
my eyes. This company mailed to our premises a solicitation for us to 
purchase an 'up-to-date, revised twice yearly' [sic] prospect list.

Unfortunately, the addressee had vacated the building six years earlier!

Is that " .....the best, by far..... " ?


> When is cheap NOT cheap???
>
> The cheapest one is one you type yourself.
>
> If you are trying to get a list for your business, the best, by far, 
> is www.ZapData.com
>
> We are not related at all to this co. but you can pick names by SIC 
> code, employee, $$$, etc.
> Your best price is 1000+ and is NOT the cheapest, but very up to date 
> and you can focus on prospects, (in your case just towing companies, 
> and you can do only ones with 5+ employees) exactly!

Please reply to Simon Sheers at:
<ssheers@sheergraphics.com>

Sheer Graphics Inc.
47 Chestnut Avenue,
Westmont, IL 60559-1127
Tel: (630) 654-4422
<http://www.sheergraphics.com>
Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more
From jodib at blackfoot.net  Thu Sep 13 11:31:10 2007
From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser)
Date: Thu Sep 13 11:31:41 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Does anyone keep minutes or notes from
	productionmeetings??
References: <20070906.071311.692.0.braddpotter@juno.com>
Message-ID: <00c101c7f61b$1cdffe20$0101a8c0@desktoppbl>

We have what we call a morning staff meeting (4.5 employees - incl. myself 
and my husband)
We review what our work production for the day /by department, and designate 
who can assist
throughout the day to lighten the load for another department.

We review improvements we can make, problems we had, or what we could do 
better, and
we do this 1x during the week.


Jodi Bowser
Pyramid Printing
Missoula, Montana
jodib@blackfoot.net
406-728-1503
fax 406-728-0505

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad D Potter" <braddpotter@juno.com>
To: <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 8:13 AM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Does anyone keep minutes or notes from 
productionmeetings??


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>  I am calling a production meeting for monday morning. 8 AM attendance
> required.
>
>>>>>>>>>
>
> My "agenda" is kudos FIRST,   (what we did right last week)
>
> Then rapid fire down the list (computerized list) of work in shop.
>
> Then "exceptions" jobs that are taking longer for whatever reason.
>
> Then "problem" jobs, jobs where we failed or violated the customer.
>
>
>
>
> Does anyone do anything ELSE or do you keep notes??????????
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Printing Services
> www.myprintsource.net
> 3480 SE Bethel Road
> Port Orchard, Washington   98366
> 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax
> _______________________________________________
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> 


From mark at bkprint.com  Thu Sep 13 11:49:11 2007
From: mark at bkprint.com (Mark)
Date: Thu Sep 13 11:49:43 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Envelope Feeders
In-Reply-To: <F0CA0328-8385-4BC1-A345-6FEF0CCBD868@protypeonline.com>
References: <F0CA0328-8385-4BC1-A345-6FEF0CCBD868@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <p06020403c30f04d42306@[192.168.1.2]>

It goes well my friend! We moved out of the retail market and 
divested of all walk in traffic. I mean we moved 30 minutes away to 
an industrial park where we built our own building. Lost 15% of our 
business...anticipated. Then my largest account got bought out and 
they were doing $130k a year with me...down to $10k this 
year...further fun... also just made it through/avoided a 
divorce....now I'm really focused! Marketing and selling my tail 
off.... I'll send you a few of our latest post card campaigns 
...you'll love it. I've really missed going to a few conferences and 
friends like you, Chuck Pappas, Charlene Sims, Howard Kack, Carl 
Gerhardt, Debra Thompson, Bill Grief, John Stewart and even our 
printer of the year. Hope you and family are doing well!

Back to business....I'm keeping things in the black if you know what 
I mean. Almost every new client we get from these new campaigns is 
someone too small for an agency, but can still spend $1500-3000 on a 
campaign. You could say that it's a most excellent strategy!

The CTP device I'm using is the Heidelberg Quicksetter which produces 
plates for both presses. We do have to shave a little off the plates 
and punch them to fit on the AB Dick, but it is what it is. I'm not 
trying to do anything more than simple one color stuff on this press. 
I've only kept it for exactly the reason you describe.... to set it 
up for one color envelopes. I've been leaning toward the Astro line 
and I've previewed the Suspension Feeder...seems a little Mickey 
Mouse to me.

I'll be in touch.
Always A Pleasure~
Mark Bell

B&K
Marketing | Design | Print | Mailing
137 Citizens Boulevard
Simpsonville, Kentucky  40067

866.884.9425 Phone
502.722.2261 Fax

http://bkprint.com/

>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>Hey Mark!!!! Long-time, no-see, no-hear -- soooo, how goes life in 
>the printing business?
>Question for you -- are you using the same plates on both presses? 
>As my own business continues to grow and time becomes more valuable 
>on the qm46-2, I've often thought that I should have kept one of my 
>abdick 375's JUST to run envelopes on -- but then reality sets in 
>and I remember that the ripit plates, size and some other things 
>were not a good "fit" for the abdick. It may have just been the 
>physical size? Honestly can't remember. Would be interested in 
>knowing how you or if you are using the same plates and how it works.
>:)
>Robin
>
>Robin Niewold
>Pro-Type Printing
>130 N. Market Street
>Paxton, IL 60957
>217.379.4715
>robin@protypeonline.com
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>PrintOwners Discussion List
>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners

From mark at bkprint.com  Thu Sep 13 11:52:13 2007
From: mark at bkprint.com (Mark)
Date: Thu Sep 13 11:52:36 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Bubble Pack Envelopes (printed)
In-Reply-To: <06ca01c7f56e$1e451500$6d01a8c0@KELLY>
References: <p06020406c30ddeb132ae@[192.168.1.2]>
	<06ca01c7f56e$1e451500$6d01a8c0@KELLY>
Message-ID: <p06020405c30f0cabf980@[192.168.1.2]>

Thanks to you and Bob for your responses. I should've been more 
clear. I need a source for printed mailers.
Thanks again!
Always A Pleasure~
Mark Bell

B&K
Marketing | Design | Print | Mailing
137 Citizens Boulevard
Simpsonville, Kentucky  40067

866.884.9425 Phone
502.722.2261 Fax

http://bkprint.com/


>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>www.uline.com
>
>Kelly Crom
>Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.
>
>We've Moved!!!
>2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
>Plymouth, MN  55441
>New Phone:  (763)231-6970
>kellycrom@gmail.com
>www.applied-graphics.com
>
>
>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
>>  [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark
>>  Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 1:24 PM
>>  To: printowners@printweb.org
>>  Subject: [PrintOwners] Bubble Pack Envelopes
>>
>>  ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>>  Anyone got a good source for bubble pack envelopes or mailers?
>>  --
>>  Always A Pleasure~
>>  Mark Bell
>>
>>  B&K
>>  Marketing | Design | Print | Mailing
>>  137 Citizens Boulevard
>>  Simpsonville, Kentucky  40067
>>
>>  866.884.9425 Phone
>>  502.722.2261 Fax
>>
>>  http://bkprint.com/
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  PrintOwners Discussion List
>>  Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>>  Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>PrintOwners Discussion List
>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners

From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com  Thu Sep 13 11:54:16 2007
From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry)
Date: Thu Sep 13 11:54:37 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Black ink printing problem
Message-ID: <BAY110-DAV6768E7CB242584782EFE6B6C30@phx.gbl>

First thing is to go back to the basics.  Try printing something from wordpad to eliminate the printer as the problem. 

Larry
Tucson

Hello,

I am tearing my hair out trying to solve this problem, so hopefully someone
out there has a solution. Had InDesign CS installed on a Mac Mini running
10.4.9, 512 MB memory, printing to a HPXXX combo inkjet printer. Printer is
relatively new, but otherwise, no changes and up until about a week ago,
printing just fine.

Suddenly for no reason (well, I?m sure something happened), black is
printing with a shadow. Only black. Doesn?t do it in any other program or
any other color. Only black and only in InDesign. I jumped through the usual
hoops believing the operator inadvertently launched some program level
preference that affected all files. Found nothing. Upgraded to InDesign CS2,
trashed all the preference files I could find, same exact thing
From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com  Thu Sep 13 11:55:55 2007
From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry)
Date: Thu Sep 13 11:56:24 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] black ink printing
Message-ID: <BAY110-DAV201616B37645A65C63867AB6C30@phx.gbl>

whoops, on a mac, try printing from something similar to wordpad....a text editor program.  Or print out an email

Larry
From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com  Thu Sep 13 12:01:44 2007
From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt)
Date: Thu Sep 13 12:02:02 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Black ink printing problem
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-DAV6768E7CB242584782EFE6B6C30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C30EC918.1B3FE%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>

On 9/13/07 10:54 AM, "larry" <eatnsleepgolf@msn.com> wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> First thing is to go back to the basics.  Try printing something from wordpad
> to eliminate the printer as the problem.

She prints from email and other programs with no problem. Printer is
calibrated correctly. Only happens in InDesign and only happens with black
ink.

-- 
Cyndy Wendt
President
Pioneer Printing, Inc.
3133 S. 7th., Suite D
Lincoln, Nebraska 68502
cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com

402.483.7575



From villageprinting1 at aol.com  Thu Sep 13 12:07:30 2007
From: villageprinting1 at aol.com (villageprinting1@aol.com)
Date: Thu Sep 13 12:08:12 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Does anyone keep minutes or notes from
	productionmeetings??
In-Reply-To: <00c101c7f61b$1cdffe20$0101a8c0@desktoppbl>
References: <20070906.071311.692.0.braddpotter@juno.com>
	<00c101c7f61b$1cdffe20$0101a8c0@desktoppbl>
Message-ID: <8C9C437521E64F7-AD8-1544@WEBMAIL-DF19.sysops.aol.com>


Newbie entry here!



I would love to have staff meetings everyday, unfortunately we are a small location & usually do one-on-one.? But, when the time?calls for?it, we simply close the doors for about 15 minutes.? During the meeting, everyone one has to take notes....I don't want to have to re-peat myself.? This way anything?goes wrong that was brought up during the meeting.? There can't be any finger pointing.

Tommy Melendez

Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
3612 E. Tremont Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
NAQP Member #1031539
718.904.7760
718.892.2315 Fax
www.printing-n-graphics.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jodi Bowser <jodib@blackfoot.net>
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:31 am
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Does anyone keep minutes or notes from productionmeetings??



***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****?
?
We have what we call a morning staff meeting (4.5 employees - incl. myself and my husband)?
We review what our work production for the day /by department, and designate who can assist?
throughout the day to lighten the load for another department.?
?
We review improvements we can make, problems we had, or what we could do better, and?
we do this 1x during the week.?
?
Jodi Bowser?
Pyramid Printing?
Missoula, Montana?
jodib@blackfoot.net?
406-728-1503?
fax 406-728-0505?
?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad D Potter" <braddpotter@juno.com>?
To: <printowners@printweb.org>?
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 8:13 AM?
Subject: [PrintOwners] Does anyone keep minutes or notes from productionmeetings???
?
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****?
>?
> I am calling a production meeting for monday morning. 8 AM attendance?
> required.?
>?
>>>>>>>>>?
>?
> My "agenda" is kudos FIRST, (what we did right last week)?
>?
> Then rapid fire down the list (computerized list) of work in shop.?
>?
> Then "exceptions" jobs that are taking longer for whatever reason.?
>?
> Then "problem" jobs, jobs where we failed or violated the customer.?
>?
>?
>?
>?
> Does anyone do anything ELSE or do you keep notes???????????
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
> Printing Services?
> www.myprintsource.net?
> 3480 SE Bethel Road?
> Port Orchard, Washington 98366?
> 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax?
> _______________________________________________?
> PrintOwners Discussion List?
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org?
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners?
> ?
_______________________________________________?
PrintOwners Discussion List?
Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org?
Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners?
?


________________________________________________________________________
Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
From villageprinting1 at aol.com  Thu Sep 13 12:19:36 2007
From: villageprinting1 at aol.com (villageprinting1@aol.com)
Date: Thu Sep 13 12:20:23 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Black ink printing problem
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-DAV6768E7CB242584782EFE6B6C30@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY110-DAV6768E7CB242584782EFE6B6C30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8C9C43902BAA8D3-AD8-1668@WEBMAIL-DF19.sysops.aol.com>

Larry, I don't have that perticular problem.? But ever since I installed CS2 I have to go through so many attempts to achieve correct color.? Never had them before install.? Adobe says it's my computer.? I have three computers that rip to color, & they all have the similar problems.? Anyone out that has any solutions for us please tell.

Thanks

Tommy Melendez

Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
3612 E. Tremont Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
NAQP Member #1031539
718.904.7760
718.892.2315 Fax
www.printing-n-graphics.com


-----Original Message-----
From: larry <eatnsleepgolf@msn.com>
To: Printowners <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:54 am
Subject: [PrintOwners] Black ink printing problem



***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
First thing is to go back to the basics.  Try printing something from wordpad to 
liminate the printer as the problem. 
Larry
ucson
Hello,
I am tearing my hair out trying to solve this problem, so hopefully someone
ut there has a solution. Had InDesign CS installed on a Mac Mini running
0.4.9, 512 MB memory, printing to a HPXXX combo inkjet printer. Printer is
elatively new, but otherwise, no changes and up until about a week ago,
rinting just fine.
Suddenly for no reason (well, I?m sure something happened), black is
rinting with a shadow. Only black. Doesn?t do it in any other program or
ny other color. Only black and only in InDesign. I jumped through the usual
oops believing the operator inadvertently launched some program level
reference that affected all files. Found nothing. Upgraded to InDesign CS2,
rashed all the preference files I could find, same exact thing
______________________________________________
rintOwners Discussion List
ost: PrintOwners@printweb.org
nfo: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners


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From printer at ptialaska.net  Thu Sep 13 12:25:39 2007
From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln)
Date: Thu Sep 13 12:26:00 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Black ink printing problem
In-Reply-To: <C30EC918.1B3FE%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
References: <C30EC918.1B3FE%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
Message-ID: <4E426EB1-C8C7-4EA3-914F-44B14532CE58@ptialaska.net>


On Sep 13, 2007, at 8:01 AM, Cyndy Wendt wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> She prints from email and other programs with no problem. Printer is
> calibrated correctly. Only happens in InDesign and only happens  
> with black



REPLY:
Check to see if drop shadow is checked.


_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

Charles Lincoln
ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
612 30th Avenue
Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
(907) 451-1111
fax (907) 451-4511

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From ssheers at sheergraphics.com  Thu Sep 13 12:32:28 2007
From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers)
Date: Thu Sep 13 12:27:35 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Envelope Feeders
In-Reply-To: <20070913160003.1A72DB73732@rb.enter.net>
References: <20070913160003.1A72DB73732@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <7fbc8d60832394a8236d7be5df3f5606@sheergraphics.com>

We have had the Astro for about 10 years on an AB Dick 360 (a 1970's 
Pro Model with chain delivery no less!).
We have the Universal feeder on our QM 46s.
The QM46s do a better job on the multi paper thicknesses of a converted 
envelope than the AB Dick.

The Astro is full of electronics, sensors, speed controls, and push 
side guides. It cannot easily be moved from machine to machine and it 
certainly needs each press to have the necessary mating electronic part 
and cable.

The Universal feeder seems to have less problems and cause less 
operator difficulties - on the QM46. You might think it 'Mickey Mouse', 
but it's not flimsy and the simple trigger switch to advance the 
envelope is the only electronic component. There's no cable connection 
to the press and no electronic eyes. As for the operator having to 
shingle the envelopes (unlike the Astro), what else does he have do 
other than unload the output conveyor?

The principle of 'KISS' ('Keep-It-Simple-Stupid') works for us.

> ...... on the AB Dick, .... to set it up for one color envelopes. I've 
> been leaning toward the Astro line and I've previewed the Suspension 
> Feeder...seems a little Mickey Mouse to me.

Please reply to Simon Sheers at:
<ssheers@sheergraphics.com>

Sheer Graphics Inc.
47 Chestnut Avenue,
Westmont, IL 60559-1127
Tel: (630) 654-4422
<http://www.sheergraphics.com>
Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more
From dennisdater at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep 13 12:46:57 2007
From: dennisdater at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Dater)
Date: Thu Sep 13 12:47:27 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Envelope Feeders
In-Reply-To: <7fbc8d60832394a8236d7be5df3f5606@sheergraphics.com>
Message-ID: <20070913164725.ED84CB73BD2@rb.enter.net>

We also have an older astro envelope feeder. Our electronics went out on the
press, so we use it without the press electrical connection. We also move it
between a Ryobi 3302 two color press and a Ryobi 3200 one color press. No
problems, except we have to adjust the height of the astro when we change
presses.  It's fairly easy to manually adjust the speed.


Dennis Dater
Allegra Print & Imaging                
8037 Vickers Street
San Diego, CA 92111
858-576-0100 or 619-696-6290
www.allegrasandiego.com
dennisdater@sbcglobal.net


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Simon Sheers
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:32 AM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Envelope Feeders

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

We have had the Astro for about 10 years on an AB Dick 360 (a 1970's Pro
Model with chain delivery no less!).
We have the Universal feeder on our QM 46s.
The QM46s do a better job on the multi paper thicknesses of a converted
envelope than the AB Dick.

The Astro is full of electronics, sensors, speed controls, and push side
guides. It cannot easily be moved from machine to machine and it certainly
needs each press to have the necessary mating electronic part and cable.

The Universal feeder seems to have less problems and cause less operator
difficulties - on the QM46. You might think it 'Mickey Mouse', but it's not
flimsy and the simple trigger switch to advance the envelope is the only
electronic component. There's no cable connection to the press and no
electronic eyes. As for the operator having to shingle the envelopes (unlike
the Astro), what else does he have do other than unload the output conveyor?

The principle of 'KISS' ('Keep-It-Simple-Stupid') works for us.

> ...... on the AB Dick, .... to set it up for one color envelopes. I've 
> been leaning toward the Astro line and I've previewed the Suspension 
> Feeder...seems a little Mickey Mouse to me.

Please reply to Simon Sheers at:
<ssheers@sheergraphics.com>

Sheer Graphics Inc.
47 Chestnut Avenue,
Westmont, IL 60559-1127
Tel: (630) 654-4422
<http://www.sheergraphics.com>
Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more
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From jodib at blackfoot.net  Thu Sep 13 12:58:56 2007
From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser)
Date: Thu Sep 13 12:59:22 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Black ink printing problem
References: <C30EC918.1B3FE%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
	<4E426EB1-C8C7-4EA3-914F-44B14532CE58@ptialaska.net>
Message-ID: <021d01c7f627$5fac8e10$0101a8c0@desktoppbl>

Something I learned at an Indesign CS3 class at Graph Expo....if these 
directions are confusing, call me and I can
walk you through it...

(adjustment should be made for CS2 also...)

When InDesign is open, go under the INDESIGN tab and choose> Preferences 
 >General > Appearance of Black
default setting is Display All Blacks as Rich Black.  Change all to Display 
All Blacks Accurately.
See if this fixes problem.  I was having issues a couple of weeks ago and 
haven't reopening file to see if this will
fix it, but it sure makes sense now.

Jodi Bowser
Pyramid Printing
Missoula, Montana
jodib@blackfoot.net
406-728-1503
fax 406-728-0505

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles A. Lincoln" <printer@ptialaska.net>
To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Black ink printing problem


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>
> On Sep 13, 2007, at 8:01 AM, Cyndy Wendt wrote:
>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> She prints from email and other programs with no problem. Printer is
>> calibrated correctly. Only happens in InDesign and only happens  with 
>> black
>
>
>
> REPLY:
> Check to see if drop shadow is checked.
>
>
> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
>
> Charles Lincoln
> ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY
> 612 30th Avenue
> Fairbanks, Alaska 99701
> (907) 451-1111
> fax (907) 451-4511
>
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From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com  Thu Sep 13 14:10:14 2007
From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt)
Date: Thu Sep 13 14:10:30 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign Printing Problem
In-Reply-To: <C30E1833.868C%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
Message-ID: <C30EE736.1B417%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>

On 9/12/07 10:26 PM, "Cyndy Wendt" <cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com> wrote:

> Suddenly for no reason (well, I?m sure something happened), black is
> printing with a shadow. Only black. Doesn?t do it in any other program or
> any other color. Only black and only in InDesign. I jumped through the usual
> hoops believing the operator inadvertently launched some program level
> preference that affected all files. Found nothing. Upgraded to InDesign CS2,
> trashed all the preference files I could find, same exact thing. Existing
> file ? prints a black shadow. New file ? prints the shadow. Tested it on red
> and blue ? no shadow. Played around with ?true black? vs. ?rich black?
> settings. No dice. I am officially out of ideas.
 
The above is from my original post. We are able to print black text from
"Mail" and FileMaker without any shadows. We are able to print a TEST file
from InDesign in Red or Blue with no shadows (drop shadow is not checked - I
really did check that first as well as eliminating the printer). However,
black (same test file changed to black) prints with a shadow - the smaller
the type, the more obvious it is.

Any more ideas - the more obscure the better as I really have eliminated all
of the obvious stuff I can think of.

Thanks again!


-- 
Cyndy Wendt
President
Pioneer Printing, Inc.
3133 S. 7th., Suite D
Lincoln, Nebraska 68502
cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com

402.483.7575



From kellycrom at gmail.com  Thu Sep 13 15:05:29 2007
From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics)
Date: Thu Sep 13 15:05:50 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign Printing Problem
In-Reply-To: <C30EE736.1B417%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
References: <C30E1833.868C%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
	<C30EE736.1B417%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
Message-ID: <000201c7f639$103620a0$6d01a8c0@KELLY>

Cyndy,

I'm on a PC, but when your print dialog box is open, and you select the
options for "output", do you have a check box for "text as black"?

Kelly Crom
Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.

We?ve Moved!!!
2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
Plymouth, MN  55441
New Phone:  (763)231-6970
kellycrom@gmail.com
www.applied-graphics.com 

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org 
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cyndy Wendt
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 1:10 PM
> To: PrintOwners List
> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] InDesign Printing Problem
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> On 9/12/07 10:26 PM, "Cyndy Wendt" 
> <cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com> wrote:
> 
> > Suddenly for no reason (well, I?m sure something happened), black is
> > printing with a shadow. Only black. Doesn?t do it in any 
> other program or
> > any other color. Only black and only in InDesign. I jumped 
> through the usual
> > hoops believing the operator inadvertently launched some 
> program level
> > preference that affected all files. Found nothing. Upgraded 
> to InDesign CS2,
> > trashed all the preference files I could find, same exact 
> thing. Existing
> > file ? prints a black shadow. New file ? prints the shadow. 
> Tested it on red
> > and blue ? no shadow. Played around with ?true black? vs. 
> ?rich black?
> > settings. No dice. I am officially out of ideas.
>  
> The above is from my original post. We are able to print 
> black text from
> "Mail" and FileMaker without any shadows. We are able to 
> print a TEST file
> from InDesign in Red or Blue with no shadows (drop shadow is 
> not checked - I
> really did check that first as well as eliminating the 
> printer). However,
> black (same test file changed to black) prints with a shadow 
> - the smaller
> the type, the more obvious it is.
> 
> Any more ideas - the more obscure the better as I really have 
> eliminated all
> of the obvious stuff I can think of.
> 
> Thanks again!
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cyndy Wendt
> President
> Pioneer Printing, Inc.
> 3133 S. 7th., Suite D
> Lincoln, Nebraska 68502
> cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com
> 
> 402.483.7575
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> 

From ep101 at technaprint.com  Thu Sep 13 15:51:19 2007
From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson)
Date: Thu Sep 13 15:51:41 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference
In-Reply-To: <41aa6a080709111209k4c3a9c0aycff08bbbbc5fe341@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C30EE2C7.2A0D3%ep101@technaprint.com>

> I don't always remember dinners with Eric clearly because he
> has a penchant for a four olive martini that I feel obliged to participate
> in out of respect.

I really prefer the larger 3-olive variety as it allows for more blue cheese
stuffing! ;-)

As others have pointed out, the conference was fabulous. The workshops were
great. For the newbies (and those who missed it) on the list, you should
really consider it for next year... October 23rd-25th. The contacts you make
at these events are invaluable. If you're real lucky like I've been, a lot
of those contacts actually end up becoming good friends!

So, for food in Chicago try:

Devon Seafood Grill
http://www.devonseafood.com/

Mike Ditka's
http://www.mikeditkaschicago.com/

Lawry's Prime Rib
http://www.lawrysonline.com/theprimerib_chicago_gen_info.asp

Joe's Seafood, Prime Steak & Stone Crab
http://www.icon.com/joes/Chicago_home.html

Rock Bottom Restaurant & Brewery
http://tinyurl.com/luewy

For the coolest piece of equipment we saw at GraphExpo, watch Kern's website
(http://www.kern.ch/3007/2887/3291.asp). They don't have the new piece up on
their site yet, but this machine was taking in 11x17 sheets, cutting it in
half and completely forming an envelope around an 8 1/2 x 11 z-folded
letter--all of it personalized (of course) coming off the iGen. Their hope
is to get it going fast enough to place inline with the iGen110. The piece
is completely done and ready to mail. What type of minds think up this
stuff??!!

A fun thing we did with the Trumps was to check out the Apple Store on
Michigan Avenue. Quite impressive....

http://www.apple.com/retail/northmichiganavenue/week/20070909.html

Great work on the conference, Steve, Charlene, Wayne, Chuck, Craig and the
rest. Missed you Robin. Perhaps next year??

Eric Pearson
President/C.E.O.

------------ 

TechnaPrint, Inc.
909 Garfield Street
Eugene, OR 97402-2706
(541) 344-4062
(541) 344-1765 Fax

ep101@technaprint.com
www.technaprint.com





From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com  Thu Sep 13 15:56:03 2007
From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt)
Date: Thu Sep 13 15:56:14 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign Printing Problem
In-Reply-To: <000201c7f639$103620a0$6d01a8c0@KELLY>
Message-ID: <C30F0003.1B41F%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>

On 9/13/07 2:05 PM, "Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics" <kellycrom@gmail.com>
wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> Cyndy,
> 
> I'm on a PC, but when your print dialog box is open, and you select the
> options for "output", do you have a check box for "text as black"?

I've tried that. So, I had her send me the file here at work. Of course it
opened and printed just fine AND suspecting it could be a Postscript
problem, printed to my little Brother laser printer rather than a PS
printer.

It's just so odd that it's only black and only out of InDesign. However, I'm
going to see if the print drivers need updating.

-- 
Cyndy Wendt
President
Pioneer Printing, Inc.
3133 S. 7th., Suite D
Lincoln, Nebraska 68502
cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com

402.483.7575



From dvmonto at optonline.net  Thu Sep 13 15:59:16 2007
From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto)
Date: Thu Sep 13 15:59:36 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Black ink printing problem
In-Reply-To: <C30EC918.1B3FE%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
Message-ID: <C30F0ED4.27389%dvmonto@optonline.net>

On 9/13/07 12:01 PM, "Cyndy Wendt" <cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com> wrote:

> She prints from email and other programs with no problem. Printer is
> calibrated correctly. Only happens in InDesign and only happens with black
> ink.

Do you have another printer you could hook up to that computer to see if it
is the printer or InDesign?

Or do you have another computer with InDesign that you could try to send a
file to the printer?


-- 
David V. Monto

Sir Speedy Printing
1837 South Road
Wappingers Falls, NY 12590

Phone:845-298-8898
Fax: 845-298-8537
email: dvmonto@optonline.net

www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls


Debts can be chains, best used when they can haul you to new heights, rather
than entangle your legs. It?s the same with possessions. "Man doesn?t
possess possessions: they possess us".

--Pete Seeger


From zapit at zapcolor.com  Thu Sep 13 16:13:43 2007
From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez)
Date: Thu Sep 13 16:19:34 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox Down Time credit
In-Reply-To: <20070913181033.520FEB743A7@rb.enter.net>
References: <20070913181033.520FEB743A7@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <32BABD53-B4FF-4BE0-8E95-DC8DD343F7D9@zapcolor.com>

Has anyone had any experience with Xerox's offering of a down time  
credit?

They are offering this because we have had some service issues on our  
5252.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

> (sorry for the cross post, just need as much input as possible.)

Eugene Montanez
ZAP Printing & Graphics
127 Radio Rd
Corona, CA 92879
951-734-8181

Zapit@zapcolor.com




From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Thu Sep 13 16:34:23 2007
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Thu Sep 13 16:34:37 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference
In-Reply-To: <C30EE2C7.2A0D3%ep101@technaprint.com>
References: <41aa6a080709111209k4c3a9c0aycff08bbbbc5fe341@mail.gmail.com>
	<C30EE2C7.2A0D3%ep101@technaprint.com>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0709131334y6dc20c13x1acc3d00229b401f@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/13/07, Eric Pearson <ep101@technaprint.com> wrote:
>
> For the coolest piece of equipment we saw at GraphExpo, watch Kern's website
> (http://www.kern.ch/3007/2887/3291.asp). They don't have the new piece up on
> their site yet, but this machine was taking in 11x17 sheets, cutting it in
> half and completely forming an envelope around an 8 1/2 x 11 z-folded
> letter--all of it personalized (of course) coming off the iGen. Their hope
> is to get it going fast enough to place inline with the iGen110. The piece
> is completely done and ready to mail. What type of minds think up this
> stuff??!!


This is actually pretty old technology. A large old (and now defunct)
printing company here in Milford -- Kurt H. Volk Inc. -- developed a
proprietary product many years ago called a Letter-Lope that was used
in exactly this way (and in numerous die-cut variations). Reader's
Digest was one of their major clients. They also had an early
installation of a variable data web press.

Here's a description I just found in an interesting publication --
http://tinyurl.com/359ssl -- dating way back to the "turn of the
century" <g> entitled "Anatomy of a Mailpiece" :

"4. Proprietary Pre-Fab Packages
The advent of computerized ink-jet imprinting and web press
technologies has made
possible a variety of direct mail formats that feature personalized
closed face envelopes with innovative personalization throughout and
upscale paper stocks and colors that often make for effective packages
at reasonable cost, especially at quantities of 50,000 and more.

"One such printer is The Kurt H. Volk Company, who pioneered their patented
Letter-Lope(r). Letter-Lopes come in a wide selection of sizes and
formats and can accommodate laser or ink-jet personalization at
several places in the package, starting with a closed face envelope.
Letter-Lopes feature such niceties as four-color process, patterned
envelope interior to prevent show-through, die cutting, embossing,
personalized plastic card affixing, compatible color and/or matching
stock on letter and envelope, spot-gumming and numbering. The packages
are used with success by magazines, credit card marketers, political
fund raisers,
retail promotions, insurance and more.

"Volk provides mailers with a template for the format they have
chosen. The mailer
provides the company with copy and art according to the template,
together with their list on computer tape and Volk prints and mails
the package. Your fingers never leave your hand."


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com

====================================
Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
                                                     ~ Lord Bacon
From dominick at fmtc.com  Thu Sep 13 16:47:25 2007
From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing)
Date: Thu Sep 13 16:47:51 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] New Prices from Danka
Message-ID: <46E9A1DD.2080706@fmtc.com>

Has anybody else been getting the "run-around" from copier companies 
about 11 x 17?

Seems Danka's new position is "we're loosing money at single clicks, and 
are ending it".

Well - crap! Not only are they ending it, their click rate went to 9 
cents! Yes your read right, an 11 x 17 copy will now cost 18 freeking 
cents!!!!!

Time for a new company, too bad the only choice is IKON, they won't even 
get the time of day from me, cause they would charge me for it, and then 
it would be wrong...

Sorry for the rant, been a bad quoting day. Maybe I should just buy the 
machine at $17,5, and service it myself. Yea, thats the ticket. There's 
Joe, makin' copies, makin' copies at the office, yea!

It's beer-thirty somewhere!

Joe Dominick

Dominick's Quality Printing
542 W. Idaho Avenue
Ontario Oregon 97914
541.881.1121
Fax 541.881.1599

www.dominicksprinting.com
dominick@fmtc.com

Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider
Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here!
From bradw at auburnprint.com  Thu Sep 13 17:06:41 2007
From: bradw at auburnprint.com (Brad Weston)
Date: Thu Sep 13 17:06:24 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Envelope Feeders
In-Reply-To: <7fbc8d60832394a8236d7be5df3f5606@sheergraphics.com>
References: <20070913160003.1A72DB73732@rb.enter.net>
	<7fbc8d60832394a8236d7be5df3f5606@sheergraphics.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20070913135834.03e8e3e8@192.168.1.1>

Just got back from Chicago, I saw the C-9000 Universal feeder at the show. 
It looks a lot like the Astro. I had a Heidelberg mechanic go over to their 
both with me and he thought it would be a good choice for envelopes. I like 
the simplicity and I will be using it on our new QM46 and also to insert 
into our folder for refolding after the stitcher trimmer. Most of all if we 
have any problems, I'm sure we can work on it ourselves and not have a 
service call. Priced about $7000 with the delivery conveyor.

Brad Weston
Auburn Printers
13020 Earhart Ave
Auburn CA 95602
"Endurance Capitol of the World"
<bradw@auburnprint.com>
530-885-9674 Phone
530-885-6517 Fax
<<http://www.auburnprint.com/>http://www.auburnprint.com/>

At 09:32 AM 9/13/2007, you wrote:
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>We have had the Astro for about 10 years on an AB Dick 360 (a 1970's Pro 
>Model with chain delivery no less!).
>We have the Universal feeder on our QM 46s.
>The QM46s do a better job on the multi paper thicknesses of a converted 
>envelope than the AB Dick.
>
>The Astro is full of electronics, sensors, speed controls, and push side 
>guides. It cannot easily be moved from machine to machine and it certainly 
>needs each press to have the necessary mating electronic part and cable.
>
>The Universal feeder seems to have less problems and cause less operator 
>difficulties - on the QM46. You might think it 'Mickey Mouse', but it's 
>not flimsy and the simple trigger switch to advance the envelope is the 
>only electronic component. There's no cable connection to the press and no 
>electronic eyes. As for the operator having to shingle the envelopes 
>(unlike the Astro), what else does he have do other than unload the output 
>conveyor?
>
>The principle of 'KISS' ('Keep-It-Simple-Stupid') works for us.
>
>>...... on the AB Dick, .... to set it up for one color envelopes. I've 
>>been leaning toward the Astro line and I've previewed the Suspension 
>>Feeder...seems a little Mickey Mouse to me.
>
>Please reply to Simon Sheers at:
><ssheers@sheergraphics.com>
>
>Sheer Graphics Inc.
>47 Chestnut Avenue,
>Westmont, IL 60559-1127
>Tel: (630) 654-4422
><http://www.sheergraphics.com>
>Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more
>_______________________________________________
>PrintOwners Discussion List
>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners


From robin at protypeonline.com  Thu Sep 13 19:23:33 2007
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Thu Sep 13 19:23:04 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Envelope Feeders 
Message-ID: <52304DB8-6758-4AAA-8E72-665EEE039429@protypeonline.com>

Mark,
since I'm much older than you are let me share a little advice in  
response to your near divorce --
"never confuse having a career with having a life" !!!!! NEVER ever  
-- focusing is one thing -- setting your priorities is another.
Okay -- I'll save the rest of the sermon for next fall when we are  
both in Chicago for the conference!
Re: your thoughts on the astro vs. the suspension feeder, I have not  
looked at an astro in quite some time, but from what I remember, I  
think you have the two switched -- the astro is the lesser of the  
two. Do you have dealers in your area that will bring one in and let  
you try it or do you have another printer with one or the other that  
is close enough to you that you could visit?
Sooo, with all this marketiing you are doing for other printers --  
are you also doing the mailing?
Hang in there -- sounds like you are making some wise decisions --  
but...make sure you always have a LIFE and I'm guessing then you will  
always have a WIFE! HA!!!
robin

p.s. wasn't that platemaker giving you fits a couple years ago? H got  
it all up and working for you?

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com


From robin at protypeonline.com  Thu Sep 13 19:27:50 2007
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Thu Sep 13 19:27:12 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 
Message-ID: <3430A997-9206-458C-A4A2-AD3880AAB7FD@protypeonline.com>

okay, no more talk about chicago -- you guys are KILLING me! I've  
already got my reservations in for next fall -- really!
Oct. 3 surgery - ALIF -- Anterior Lumbar Interbody Fusion -- will  
have me up and ready to mow grass and plant flowers by late next  
spring -- following 4 months of no bending or lifting anything  
heavier than a gallon of milk or a bottle of cabernet!
Soooon, the good life will be returning! Trumps and Apple store --  
aaaahhhh the memories of Dennis and Stu twisting my arm off until I  
bought my very first apple -- rough 3 months but now -- I'm a  
believer!!!!
Martini's -- can I just have the olives and the blue cheese with my  
cabernet?
robin

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com


From k_graham at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 14 00:11:51 2007
From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Sep 14 00:12:15 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Envelope Feeders
References: <52304DB8-6758-4AAA-8E72-665EEE039429@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <BAY135-DAV17A412E1E2584BE53D5BEEEBBC0@phx.gbl>

Has anyone experience with running #8 tags on a Envelope Feeder, if so which 
one.

Problem would be the grommets & perhaps small size. Normally I would run 4 
up ganged tags but our AB Dick 360 is only 11" wide and these ganged tags 4 
up would be 12.25"

Have 6000 of 2 sided to run and pressman has been pulling days of sick 
leave, may be a long day for me.

We have the AB Dick branded feeder, belts and bottom feed - I think thats 
what you call the Astro?

Also a Suspension feeder bought for the DI but could set up for the 360 if 
it would work?

One thing about the Suspension Universal Feeder - Ours as delivered was a 
PITA. and of course we are huge distances from anyone knowledgeable - it 
took many phone calls to Tech before we managed to communicate the pile 
height was varying by about 1/4 or more, even bigfoot suckers were not the 
answer. Then they said "Oh you can rewire the eye for high accuracy"
After faxing us a diagram we re-wired the unit & it now keeps virtually the 
same envelope height continuously so now the Suspension feeder works a lot 
better. I really can't imagine why they wire the feeders for less accuracy.


Ken Graham
CommunityPrinters.com
250-782-7108
Dawson Creek BC Canada
V1G 2G5

250-782-7108

From craig at newhavenprint.com  Fri Sep 14 08:01:29 2007
From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger)
Date: Fri Sep 14 08:00:23 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 
In-Reply-To: <3430A997-9206-458C-A4A2-AD3880AAB7FD@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <20070914120022.551BAB797EE@rb.enter.net>

Just as a warning Robin. We're planning to do a MidWest Printer's Party
again next summer. Probably June or July. Location isn't set in stone yet.
Either our place or Tammi's or ?????  Whatever works the best for everyone.
>From the comments at the conference, I think we'll have a good turnout. Get
well soonly.   ;-)
If anyone wants to be on the "warning" list, let me know.

Craig

Craig Dellinger 
New Haven Print & Copy
7531 US 930 East
Fort Wayne, IN 46803
260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579
www.newhavenprint.com


> okay, no more talk about chicago -- you guys are KILLING me! 
> I've already got my reservations in for next fall -- really!
> Oct. 3 surgery - ALIF -- Anterior Lumbar Interbody Fusion -- 
> will have me up and ready to mow grass and plant flowers by 
> late next spring -- following 4 months of no bending or 
> lifting anything heavier than a gallon of milk or a bottle of 
> cabernet!
> Soooon, the good life will be returning! Trumps and Apple 
> store -- aaaahhhh the memories of Dennis and Stu twisting my 
> arm off until I bought my very first apple -- rough 3 months 
> but now -- I'm a believer!!!!
> Martini's -- can I just have the olives and the blue cheese 
> with my cabernet?
> robin
> 
> Robin Niewold
> Pro-Type Printing
> 130 N. Market Street
> Paxton, IL 60957
> 217.379.4715
> robin@protypeonline.com
> 
> 
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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From tgrogan at wilmotprint.com  Fri Sep 14 08:06:00 2007
From: tgrogan at wilmotprint.com (Tim Grogan)
Date: Fri Sep 14 08:06:15 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] skip 4 numbering
In-Reply-To: <C30EC918.1B3FE%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
References: <C30EC918.1B3FE%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
Message-ID: <440b7a746b982bbfcd1aaa89f2b3f4c4@wilmotprint.com>

I have a receipt type sheet that needs to be numbered with a quick turn 
around.
There are 15000 sheets of carbonless paper size 8.5x11.  The sheets 
number in 4 places
I am located 30 miles west of Cleveland, Ohio
Does anyone know of a possible place that can do these?
Thanks



Timothy T. Grogan
President
"Have I asked you to buy some printing today?"
Wilmot Printing Co., Inc.
113 Buckeye Street
P.O. Box 1659
Elyria, Ohio 44036
tgrogan@wilmotprint.com
PH  440-323-3248
Fax 440-323-6502
From bherion at bucksdigital.com  Fri Sep 14 08:20:21 2007
From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion)
Date: Fri Sep 14 08:20:39 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Xerox Down Time credit
In-Reply-To: <20070913210629.1CF02B753C4@rb.enter.net>
References: <20070913210629.1CF02B753C4@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070914081533.03339e50@bucksdigital.com>

Grab it!
I've had Xerox since 1988. Its a very rare thing that that you would 
ever get credit beyond some token clicks.
Xerox is on my payroll for well over a million a year and I don't 
think we've had more than a fruit basket out of it for downtime compensation.
Take what ever they offer you and buy pizza for your crew!


At 05:06 PM 9/13/2007, you wrote:
>Has anyone had any experience with Xerox's offering of a down time
>credit?
>
>They are offering this because we have had some service issues on our
>5252.
>
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks
>
> > (sorry for the cross post, just need as much input as possible.)
>
>Eugene Montanez
>ZAP Printing & Graphics
>127 Radio Rd
>Corona, CA 92879
>951-734-8181

Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's
Bucks Digital Printing  v.215.579.4200    f.215-579-9510
90 Walker Lane  Newtown, PA 18940
www.bucksdigital.com


From sherwood at net-power.net  Fri Sep 14 08:41:11 2007
From: sherwood at net-power.net (Bob Sherwood)
Date: Fri Sep 14 08:41:39 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need a source
Message-ID: <002201c7f6cc$8829f1c0$01fea8c0@cumberla1>

Customer wants outdoor signs 2000 - 14" x 22" or 1000 - 28" x 22 inch, size does not have to be exact. 2 color solid yellow background - black ink. 12 pt. C1S or heavier. Screen print or offset with tuff tex ink. These will be outside for up to 4 weeks. Need a source to get these done

Bob Sherwood    
Cumberland Printing
P.O. Box 313
Monticello, KY 42633
606-348-4517
From jdowning at libertygrouponline.com  Fri Sep 14 09:43:55 2007
From: jdowning at libertygrouponline.com (Joy Downing)
Date: Fri Sep 14 08:46:42 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need a source
References: <002201c7f6cc$8829f1c0$01fea8c0@cumberla1>
Message-ID: <017c01c7f6d5$4b600780$1401a8c0@JOY2>

You might try Stouse
1-877-764-5757
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Sherwood" <sherwood@net-power.net>
To: <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 6:41 AM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need a source


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Customer wants outdoor signs 2000 - 14" x 22" or 1000 - 28" x 22 inch, size 
does not have to be exact. 2 color solid yellow background - black ink. 12 
pt. C1S or heavier. Screen print or offset with tuff tex ink. These will be 
outside for up to 4 weeks. Need a source to get these done

Bob Sherwood
Cumberland Printing
P.O. Box 313
Monticello, KY 42633
606-348-4517
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From championprinting at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 14 08:52:05 2007
From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly)
Date: Fri Sep 14 08:52:36 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need a source
Message-ID: <246005.29526.qm@web38912.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

http://www.stouse.com/
 
Ted Gelletly
Champion Printing
5401 New Expansion Drive
Eldersburg MD 21784
410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488
ted@championprintingonline.com


----- Original Message ----
From: Bob Sherwood <sherwood@net-power.net>
To: printowners@printweb.org
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:41:11 AM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need a source


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Customer wants outdoor signs 2000 - 14" x 22" or 1000 - 28" x 22 inch, size does not have to be exact. 2 color solid yellow background - black ink. 12 pt. C1S or heavier. Screen print or offset with tuff tex ink. These will be outside for up to 4 weeks. Need a source to get these done

Bob Sherwood    
Cumberland Printing
P.O. Box 313
Monticello, KY 42633
606-348-4517
From mail at myprinter.biz  Fri Sep 14 09:01:11 2007
From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz)
Date: Fri Sep 14 09:01:06 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need a source
In-Reply-To: <002201c7f6cc$8829f1c0$01fea8c0@cumberla1>
Message-ID: <BEEIIPIOGLPLKIAABOLAOEKLCOAA.mail@myprinter.biz>

Bob -

Not sure why you or your customer is specifying that stock and that ink, but
yellow is one of the standard coroplast colors, black is as standard as it
comes in the way of a color for a sign, and the sizes you're describing are
right in the ballpark for a standard yard sign (i.e.., intended to be
outside for extended periods of time).

Any screen printer that uses a coroplast substrate should be able to handle
this - pretty inexpensively, too.

http://www.yard-signs.org/category_s/12.htm

P.S.  Am I writing to a fellow native Kentuckian?

Dan
Sir Speedy Printing Center
5845 Hollywood Boulevard
Hollywood, FL 33021
t 954.962.1309
f 954.962.1366
dan@myprinter.biz
www.myprinter.biz



-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Bob Sherwood
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:41 AM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need a source


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Customer wants outdoor signs 2000 - 14" x 22" or 1000 - 28" x 22 inch, size
does not have to be exact. 2 color solid yellow background - black ink. 12
pt. C1S or heavier. Screen print or offset with tuff tex ink. These will be
outside for up to 4 weeks. Need a source to get these done

Bob Sherwood
Cumberland Printing
P.O. Box 313
Monticello, KY 42633
606-348-4517
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From kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com  Fri Sep 14 09:30:38 2007
From: kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com (Kirk Squiers)
Date: Fri Sep 14 09:31:00 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 
Message-ID: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111D473@fpserver.FP.local>

I vote for Tammi's!! Boat drinks on the pontoon!!

Kirk K. Squiers
Central Michigan Graphics
1200 E. Oakland
Lansing, Michigan 48906
www.centralmichigangraphics.com
517-230-8600
kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Craig Dellinger
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:01 AM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Just as a warning Robin. We're planning to do a MidWest Printer's Party
again next summer. Probably June or July. Location isn't set in stone
yet.
Either our place or Tammi's or ?????  Whatever works the best for
everyone.
>From the comments at the conference, I think we'll have a good turnout.
Get
well soonly.   ;-)
If anyone wants to be on the "warning" list, let me know.

Craig

Craig Dellinger 
New Haven Print & Copy
7531 US 930 East
Fort Wayne, IN 46803
260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579
www.newhavenprint.com


> okay, no more talk about chicago -- you guys are KILLING me! 
> I've already got my reservations in for next fall -- really!
> Oct. 3 surgery - ALIF -- Anterior Lumbar Interbody Fusion -- 
> will have me up and ready to mow grass and plant flowers by 
> late next spring -- following 4 months of no bending or 
> lifting anything heavier than a gallon of milk or a bottle of 
> cabernet!
> Soooon, the good life will be returning! Trumps and Apple 
> store -- aaaahhhh the memories of Dennis and Stu twisting my 
> arm off until I bought my very first apple -- rough 3 months 
> but now -- I'm a believer!!!!
> Martini's -- can I just have the olives and the blue cheese 
> with my cabernet?
> robin
> 
> Robin Niewold
> Pro-Type Printing
> 130 N. Market Street
> Paxton, IL 60957
> 217.379.4715
> robin@protypeonline.com
> 
> 
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From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com  Fri Sep 14 10:23:07 2007
From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com)
Date: Fri Sep 14 10:23:31 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference 
Message-ID: <be1.1dd7bd06.341bf34b@aol.com>

Hey there Craig.  Set me up for that trip.  It was great to meet  you.  
Hopefully we can get the same gang together for that trip.   Robin get better soon. 
 Heard about you & would like to meet you.
 
Tommy Melendez
 

Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
3612 E. Tremont  Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
NAQP Member  #1031539
718.904.7760
718.892.2315 Fax
_www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) 



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From jann at jannsdesign.com  Fri Sep 14 10:41:16 2007
From: jann at jannsdesign.com (Intuitive Design)
Date: Fri Sep 14 10:33:33 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE intro
In-Reply-To: <440b7a746b982bbfcd1aaa89f2b3f4c4@wilmotprint.com>
References: <C30EC918.1B3FE%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>
	<440b7a746b982bbfcd1aaa89f2b3f4c4@wilmotprint.com>
Message-ID: <200709141434.l8EEYYvr004721@mroute3.ccountry.net>


>Good Morning Print Owners.

I thought I would reintroduce myself. I haven't posted for a while 
and have been lurking.

My name is Jann Leger and I am a 'quick printer' and have been for 12 
years now.  I have been clean for about 2 years now, no longer 
handling production work. I never had an ink press, but digital. I 
did/do a lot of computer work and layouts which I enjoy. (I still 
have a couple of machines and am looking for a color printer.)

In the last couple of years of business, I lost my hearing and had to 
find another way to do things. I am currently serving several regular 
clients and am re-entering business with hopes of web only, 
appointment only and do more design and planning/implementing productions.

Being in business is certainly not for the faint hearted as we all 
know or will know, but I will tell you this. For the last year or so, 
I have worked outside my business as an employee working on catalogs. 
Trust me when I tell you this, when you get down about business, just 
think of the alternative!!!

This list has been wonderful. I've had my favorites and we've lost a 
few good ones here. Nice to know it is still going. (Although I'm not 
sure how to post any more...I had to do a reply...

Jann


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Jann L. Leger
INTUITIVE DESIGN & PRINTING CO.
Publication & Graphic Design
Typing & Typesetting
jann@jannsdesign.com
www.myorderdesk.com/janns
Grants Pass, Oregon
541.476-3502
fax: 541.479.5052
From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com  Fri Sep 14 10:34:16 2007
From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com)
Date: Fri Sep 14 10:34:44 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] skip 4 numbering
Message-ID: <d66.13e4f7ae.341bf5e8@aol.com>

Try Triangle Printing in TN 800.843.9529  I send them orders when it  
involves over 10,000.  They are inexpensive. When it comes to orders  that require 
numbering.
 
Tommy Melendez
 

Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
3612 E. Tremont  Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
NAQP Member  #1031539
718.904.7760
718.892.2315 Fax
_www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) 



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From robin at protypeonline.com  Fri Sep 14 11:38:33 2007
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Fri Sep 14 11:37:59 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] MidWest Printer's Party
Message-ID: <69A58543-BBB6-4896-9F46-3098C1AF47CE@protypeonline.com>

Craig,
Loda is a nice location but we aren't located on a lake like Tammy!!!
:)
robin


Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com


From ep101 at technaprint.com  Fri Sep 14 11:52:51 2007
From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson)
Date: Fri Sep 14 11:53:26 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE intro
In-Reply-To: <200709141434.l8EEYYvr004721@mroute3.ccountry.net>
Message-ID: <C30FFC63.2A17C%ep101@technaprint.com>

> This list has been wonderful. I've had my favorites and we've lost a
> few good ones here. Nice to know it is still going. (Although I'm not
> sure how to post any more...I had to do a reply...

Hi Jann,

A big welcome back from the Willamette Valley! And welcome back to the biz.

To post, simply send to: printowners@printweb.org

Eric Pearson
President/C.E.O.

------------ 

TechnaPrint, Inc.
909 Garfield Street
Eugene, OR 97402-2706
(541) 344-4062
(541) 344-1765 Fax

ep101@technaprint.com
www.technaprint.com




From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com  Fri Sep 14 12:42:38 2007
From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com)
Date: Fri Sep 14 12:43:21 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:  Pink SLip
Message-ID: <c6e.196f63a6.341c13fe@aol.com>

Anyway, has anyone have a standard form or know where to get a form that  
stipulates reason for termination.  Apparently after the conference I  became a 
fireman.  Can't believe how many fires I'm enduring right  now.  An what should 
I look forward to as far as employee  repercussions.  
 
Thanks
 
Tommy Melendez

Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
3612 E. Tremont  Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
NAQP Member  #1031539
718.904.7760
718.892.2315 Fax
_www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) 



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From jodib at blackfoot.net  Fri Sep 14 13:23:17 2007
From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser)
Date: Fri Sep 14 13:23:49 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:  Pink SLip
References: <c6e.196f63a6.341c13fe@aol.com>
Message-ID: <009101c7f6f3$f0f9ff70$0101a8c0@desktoppbl>

Tommy:

what do you mean employee repercussions?  I think the unemployment office 
prefers to see that 1) they received a warning
and that the firing was 'just cause'.  Is it a continuing problem or 
something against company policy?

I had the new gal we'd trained for only 2 weeks not show up on Monday (the 
10th) so it short changed us for a few
days (leaving only 2 people here except when my part-time gal came in on 
Tuesday) - but because she did not show
and did not call (us or the employment agency I'd hired her through) she has 
no ground to stand on.

Check and see if your Unemployment Office has a reference guide to help you.

Fired because:   etc.

I finally figured that if they wanted to go file unemployment, fine....I've 
been paying into the darn thing for 25 years
and it's not money I'll ever get back anyway.


:-)  haven't tried my new program yet, have you?
Jodi Bowser
Pyramid Printing
Missoula, Montana
jodib@blackfoot.net
406-728-1503
fax 406-728-0505

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <VillagePrinting1@aol.com>
To: <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:42 AM
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Pink SLip


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Anyway, has anyone have a standard form or know where to get a form that
> stipulates reason for termination.  Apparently after the conference I 
> became a
> fireman.  Can't believe how many fires I'm enduring right  now.  An what 
> should
> I look forward to as far as employee  repercussions.
>
> Thanks
>
> Tommy Melendez
>
> Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
> 3612 E. Tremont  Avenue
> Bronx, N.Y. 10465
> NAQP Member  #1031539
> 718.904.7760
> 718.892.2315 Fax
> _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/)
>
>
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From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com  Fri Sep 14 13:39:14 2007
From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com)
Date: Fri Sep 14 13:39:43 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:  Pink SLip
Message-ID: <d09.1b2ee927.341c2142@aol.com>

Thanks for that info Jodi.  As far as that Fluid mask  program..OMG  Haven't 
stopped using it.  X-cellent!
 
Tommy Melendez
 

Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
3612 E. Tremont  Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
NAQP Member  #1031539
718.904.7760
718.892.2315 Fax
_www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) 



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From rstor at copycats.com  Fri Sep 14 16:15:24 2007
From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor)
Date: Fri Sep 14 16:17:58 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers Plan
Message-ID: <46EAEBDC.2070305@copycats.com>

I am considering implementing Printers' Plan.

I would love to speak with any users who:

a. Have multiple locations

or

b. Have a high-customer volume (think copy shop) location

If I can call you to chat for a few minutes, please email me you tel# 
and a good time to call.

TIA

Bob Stor
Copycats
New York, NY
212-557-2111 x20
www.copycats.com
From yaakov at sparkdirectny.com  Fri Sep 14 17:01:50 2007
From: yaakov at sparkdirectny.com (Yaakov Reshef)
Date: Fri Sep 14 17:02:21 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need a source
Message-ID: <E6E085F51F901F479BEBD4C3D4D183700F6A35@server1.DISCNYC.COM>

Amit,
May be you can bid on it? tuff tex ink is the ink that dries quick and
becomes hard.
Let me know.

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Sherwood
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:41 AM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] Need a source

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Customer wants outdoor signs 2000 - 14" x 22" or 1000 - 28" x 22 inch,
size does not have to be exact. 2 color solid yellow background - black
ink. 12 pt. C1S or heavier. Screen print or offset with tuff tex ink.
These will be outside for up to 4 weeks. Need a source to get these done

Bob Sherwood    
Cumberland Printing
P.O. Box 313
Monticello, KY 42633
606-348-4517
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From John at mpcny.com  Sat Sep 15 11:01:08 2007
From: John at mpcny.com (John)
Date: Sat Sep 15 10:59:42 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailbox and shipping business
Message-ID: <000a01c7f7a9$3f5fb8c0$587ba8c0@panther1>

I have a open office in our building. Separate front and entrance. I wonder if a shipping a mail box rental business may be a good fit. Have any of you  added that type of business? it would have it's own staff and operate separately from the printing company.

Our town has one PO and the bridges to it will be both be rebuilt soon, next year and other 2 years after. It will be a 3 year mess. I had some other business owners ask me about getting into this. I do not know the box rental business at all. Shipping we have done only for ourselves.

John Henry

Mitchell Printing
Oswego NY.

From jdaghir at gmail.com  Sat Sep 15 12:08:52 2007
From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir)
Date: Sat Sep 15 12:09:03 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Fiery vs Creo rips
In-Reply-To: <01dc01c7f569$0bb7baf0$0300a8c0@DANIEL>
References: <cf5.15be5936.34197e4b@aol.com>
	<01dc01c7f569$0bb7baf0$0300a8c0@DANIEL>
Message-ID: <83d5b9620709150908mc3a0946wba9328ce60346044@mail.gmail.com>

Not that I'm defending Creo or EFI, but in my opinion they shouldn't
directly support the end user because they didn't sell anything to the
end user.  If my car has a engine control module from Delco
Electronics in it and I'm having problems with it, I don't contact
Delco, I contact the manufacturer of the car (or more likely the
dealer I bought it from). Or an analogy closer to home - if I sell
some printing to a broker and the end user of the printing has some
problems, I expect to deal with the broker, not the end user, as I
didn't build end user support costs into my pricing.
Same thing with copiers - support for the entire package (print engine
+ rip) should come from the copier manufacturer and their dealers, not
from EFI or Creo. Expecting anything else is unrealistic.

That being said, dealers are often woefully unprepared to support
rips. We as buyers should LOUDLY and REPEATEDLY complain about this.
Sub-par service and support on rips should not be acceptable or the
norm.

But in the real world if you're really caught between a rock and a
hard place with a Fiery rip, you might try calling LanGrafix
(http://langrafix.com/) as they are authorized Fiery service and
support dealer (the only one as far as I know). I've dealt with them
in the past and they were much more knowledgeable about Fiery rips
than most dealers.

-- 
Jeff Daghir
MPS Printing, Inc.
"The Ink & Paper People"
Madison, IN
www.mpsprinting.com
jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com
From k_graham at hotmail.com  Sat Sep 15 16:11:06 2007
From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com)
Date: Sat Sep 15 16:11:42 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Fiery vs Creo rips
References: <cf5.15be5936.34197e4b@aol.com><01dc01c7f569$0bb7baf0$0300a8c0@DANIEL>
	<83d5b9620709150908mc3a0946wba9328ce60346044@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY135-DAV1994ED0BBF68A6086D263EBBD0@phx.gbl>

> Not that I'm defending Creo or EFI, but in my opinion they shouldn't
> directly support the end user because they didn't sell anything to the
> end user.  If my car has a engine control module from Delco
> Electronics in it and I'm having problems with it, I don't contact
> Delco, I contact the manufacturer of the car (or more likely the
> dealer I bought it from). > -- 
> Jeff Daghir

Good analogy - doesn't work but good analogy

My reasoning is that the RIP and copier need to be considered as 2 different 
items. Like buying a pickup and trailer, they go together but you can't get 
support for the trailer from the pickup manufacturer. Sometimes dealer 
support is brain dead, so you must go back to manufacturer - in this case 
EFI.

Case in point my purchase of Ikon CPP500 with RIP. Ikon western Canadian 
head of support told me I was the only one complaining and there was nothing 
wrong in spite of 200 installs in Canada. As we've heard EFI doesn't do low 
level support so I had to trick them, as item was still knew I emailed EFI 
saying I was trying the 500 and while fine the RIP was providing seriously 
defective results as compared to Fiery RIP on CLC 800, 2400 and Xerox Doc 
12.
and I would have to return demo.  Fortunately EFI took the bait and called, 
1st words were "What patches do you have installed?"

Me "None".

EFI "Seriously, you have to have the GLDN patch at least, its the one that 
accounts for glossy toner other wise it thinks its a old 8050 with the mat 
toner"

Me "None, maybe thats the problem can you send me the patch"

EFI  We can't, you have to get it from the dealer.

Me "The head of western Canadian software support for Ikon tells me theres 
nothing wrong, they have no fix"

EFI "Have them call their Toll Free Headquarters in Atlanta, I will email 
you the phone number"

End result - Ikon got patch and 2 months later the western Canadian expert 
came 500 kilometers to install (must have had 200 other installs to fix 
first) but we still had problems and as they wouldn't bring EFI in we 
finally had to unplug and sue Ikon - trial Oct 31, Nov 1, 2008

Possible cause for failure - they re-installed software but I've since read 
the technicians instructions and it also states updated profiles to match 
the patch must be installed on User computers which was not done (something 
we were never aprised of and did not receive as best we know).

http://groups.google.com/group/ColorCopier/browse_frm/thread/0dfd0e95d062d546/#


Solutions

A website dedicated to customer support allowing customer input - Xerox used 
to have one but discontinued the one which allowed customers to see other 
customer input - regrettable.

Xerox still provides a list of all patches to their RIPs on their support 
site - excellent

I know of no other manufacturer that provides a list of these patches and 
what they do - however if you know the equivalent RIP as is run on a Xerox 
you can get a fairly good idea as to if you need to request patches from the 
dealer as in most cases these must be done for all copiers.

Also the external RIPs may be configured for autodownloading of software 
patches for the Fiery via internet- maybe good, maybe not as sometimes a 
patch for 1 item causes a problem for another.

Ken Graham
CommunityPrinters.com
250-782-7108
Dawson Creek BC Canada
V1G 2G5

250-782-7108















From jdaghir at gmail.com  Sat Sep 15 17:18:54 2007
From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir)
Date: Sat Sep 15 17:19:08 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailbox and shipping business
In-Reply-To: <000a01c7f7a9$3f5fb8c0$587ba8c0@panther1>
References: <000a01c7f7a9$3f5fb8c0$587ba8c0@panther1>
Message-ID: <83d5b9620709151418i403d3716hdd4ce102b3ca7768@mail.gmail.com>

I could be way off base here since I don't have any experience with
the mailbox/shipping business, but I would guess that it is a low
overhead and low profit margin business compared to printing. I would
be afraid that time spent on that business would be less profitable
than time spent on your print shop. I would be more inclined to rent
that space out to someone else unless you just have a lot of spare
time on your hands.

-- 
Jeff Daghir
MPS Printing, Inc.
"The Ink & Paper People"
Madison, IN
www.mpsprinting.com
jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com



John said:
> I have a open office in our building. Separate front and entrance. I wonder if a shipping a mail box rental business may be a good fit. Have any of you  added that type of business? it would have it's own staff and operate separately from the printing company.
From rstor at copycats.com  Sat Sep 15 17:42:29 2007
From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor)
Date: Sat Sep 15 17:44:24 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailbox and shipping business
In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620709151418i403d3716hdd4ce102b3ca7768@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000a01c7f7a9$3f5fb8c0$587ba8c0@panther1>
	<83d5b9620709151418i403d3716hdd4ce102b3ca7768@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46EC51C5.5020605@copycats.com>

Jeff,

I think this is basically right. We do shipping (UPS) but it's an add-on 
service that our retail shop had time for without displacing other work 
most of the time. It can get in the way around Christmas.  We make  a 
profit of about $10-$20k/yr on that, but that's without assigning 
overhead to it. It certainly is not enough to justify a business on its own.

The UPS Store franchise owners are up in arms about the state of their 
business, by the way. UPS sets cheaper rates for direct pick-up 
customers than they are given.  Apparently UPS is telling them that they 
need to sell copies and printing to make money. 8-)

You can find some discussions on line if you google.

Regards,
Bob Stor
Copycats
New York, NY
212-557-2111 x20
www.copycats.com

Jeff Daghir wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I could be way off base here since I don't have any experience with
> the mailbox/shipping business, but I would guess that it is a low
> overhead and low profit margin business compared to printing. I would
> be afraid that time spent on that business would be less profitable
> than time spent on your print shop. I would be more inclined to rent
> that space out to someone else unless you just have a lot of spare
> time on your hands.
>
>   
From mark at bkprint.com  Mon Sep 17 10:20:14 2007
From: mark at bkprint.com (Mark)
Date: Mon Sep 17 10:20:48 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Envelope Feeders ~ Big Thanks!!
In-Reply-To: <52304DB8-6758-4AAA-8E72-665EEE039429@protypeonline.com>
References: <52304DB8-6758-4AAA-8E72-665EEE039429@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <p0602040fc3143c201a08@[192.168.1.2]>

Printowners~
Huge thanks to "Much Older" Robin 8^), Simon, Kelly & Dennis for your 
help on this little project! It looks like I need to have another 
look at the Suspension Feeder and have them bring it in to test.

I look forward to thanking each one of you personally at next years 
Owners Conference.
Talk with you soon!
Always A Pleasure~
Mark Bell

B&K
Marketing | Design | Print | Mailing
137 Citizens Boulevard
Simpsonville, Kentucky  40067

866.884.9425 Phone
502.722.2261 Fax

http://bkprint.com/

>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>Mark,
>since I'm much older than you are let me share a little advice in 
>response to your near divorce --
>"never confuse having a career with having a life" !!!!! NEVER ever 
>-- focusing is one thing -- setting your priorities is another.
>Okay -- I'll save the rest of the sermon for next fall when we are 
>both in Chicago for the conference!
>Re: your thoughts on the astro vs. the suspension feeder, I have not 
>looked at an astro in quite some time, but from what I remember, I 
>think you have the two switched -- the astro is the lesser of the 
>two. Do you have dealers in your area that will bring one in and let 
>you try it or do you have another printer with one or the other that 
>is close enough to you that you could visit?
>Sooo, with all this marketiing you are doing for other printers -- 
>are you also doing the mailing?
>Hang in there -- sounds like you are making some wise decisions -- 
>but...make sure you always have a LIFE and I'm guessing then you 
>will always have a WIFE! HA!!!
>robin
>
>p.s. wasn't that platemaker giving you fits a couple years ago? H 
>got it all up and working for you?
>
>Robin Niewold
>Pro-Type Printing
>130 N. Market Street
>Paxton, IL 60957
>217.379.4715
>robin@protypeonline.com
>
>
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From villageprinting1 at aol.com  Mon Sep 17 10:57:44 2007
From: villageprinting1 at aol.com (villageprinting1@aol.com)
Date: Mon Sep 17 10:59:07 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailbox and shipping business
In-Reply-To: <000a01c7f7a9$3f5fb8c0$587ba8c0@panther1>
References: <000a01c7f7a9$3f5fb8c0$587ba8c0@panther1>
Message-ID: <8C9C7523CC50147-D90-D1A@webmail-mf08.sysops.aol.com>


Hey John.? SHould of shown up for conference.? But I can help you in thattype of business.? Call me & I'll be more than happy to help you!



Tommy melendez


Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
3612 E. Tremont Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
NAQP Member #1031539
718.904.7760
718.892.2315 Fax
www.printing-n-graphics.com


-----Original Message-----
From: John <John@mpcny.com>
To: printowners@printweb.org
Sent: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:01 am
Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailbox and shipping business




***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I have a open office in our building. Separate front and entrance. I wonder if a 
shipping a mail box rental business may be a good fit. Have any of you  added 
that type of business? it would have it's own staff and operate separately from 
the printing company.

Our town has one PO and the bridges to it will be both be rebuilt soon, next 
year and other 2 years after. It will be a 3 year mess. I had some other 
business owners ask me about getting into this. I do not know the box rental 
business at all. Shipping we have done only for ourselves.

John Henry

Mitchell Printing
Oswego NY.

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From villageprinting1 at aol.com  Mon Sep 17 11:06:06 2007
From: villageprinting1 at aol.com (villageprinting1@aol.com)
Date: Mon Sep 17 11:06:37 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Fiery vs Creo rips
In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620709150908mc3a0946wba9328ce60346044@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cf5.15be5936.34197e4b@aol.com>	<01dc01c7f569$0bb7baf0$0300a8c0@DANIEL>
	<83d5b9620709150908mc3a0946wba9328ce60346044@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8C9C753682B6341-D90-DAF@webmail-mf08.sysops.aol.com>

Hey Jeff hows it going.? Your analogy of this problem holds water.? I had an incident with a copier company leasing a machine to me with a fiery.? There was so many problems in the beginning with the rip.? His answer to me was that I repeat I should call the rip service or get an IT guy on staff.? Imagine my blood pressure when I heard that.? The company ended up taking care of the problem, but what were they thinking.

Tommy Melendez

Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
3612 E. Tremont Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
NAQP Member #1031539
718.904.7760
718.892.2315 Fax
www.printing-n-graphics.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Daghir <jdaghir@gmail.com>
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:08 pm
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Fiery vs Creo rips



***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Not that I'm defending Creo or EFI, but in my opinion they shouldn't
directly support the end user because they didn't sell anything to the
end user.  If my car has a engine control module from Delco
Electronics in it and I'm having problems with it, I don't contact
Delco, I contact the manufacturer of the car (or more likely the
dealer I bought it from). Or an analogy closer to home - if I sell
some printing to a broker and the end user of the printing has some
problems, I expect to deal with the broker, not the end user, as I
didn't build end user support costs into my pricing.
Same thing with copiers - support for the entire package (print engine
+ rip) should come from the copier manufacturer and their dealers, not
from EFI or Creo. Expecting anything else is unrealistic.

That being said, dealers are often woefully unprepared to support
rips. We as buyers should LOUDLY and REPEATEDLY complain about this.
Sub-par service and support on rips should not be acceptable or the
norm.

But in the real world if you're really caught between a rock and a
hard place with a Fiery rip, you might try calling LanGrafix
(http://langrafix.com/) as they are authorized Fiery service and
support dealer (the only one as far as I know). I've dealt with them
in the past and they were much more knowledgeable about Fiery rips
than most dealers.

-- 
Jeff Daghir
MPS Printing, Inc.
"The Ink & Paper People"
Madison, IN
www.mpsprinting.com
jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com
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From swiftyprinting at mac.com  Mon Sep 17 12:01:02 2007
From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck)
Date: Mon Sep 17 12:01:22 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for Original Nuvera Owners (not the EA model)
Message-ID: <6C11D514-8914-401C-89D7-31508FD8367D@mac.com>

It appears that the Nuvera 120 suffers a serious design flaw in the  
way it produces copies using the "jump" technology. It seems when the  
humidity and temperature changes for the seasons it develops serious  
copy quality issues.

If you have/are experienced problems and service calls with "spits  
and puffs", hazing and background toning (Xerox wording) please let  
me know.

I feel Xerox needs to do onsite retrofits to bring these machines to  
the EA technology or do  a full recall and replacement. However I  
need to collect data to push for this.


Customer Service
Arlington Swifty Printing
1386 Massachusetts Avenue
Arlington, MA 02476
781-646-8700
www.arlingtonswifty.com


From zapit at zapcolor.com  Mon Sep 17 14:33:15 2007
From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez)
Date: Mon Sep 17 14:38:04 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Totally (off) but hey it's Monday
In-Reply-To: <20070915211912.5A452B85837@rb.enter.net>
References: <20070915211912.5A452B85837@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <051ECE0F-0A80-4648-B36D-956156C9B1EC@zapcolor.com>

Some have asked how I can be Mayor of a pretty large city (150,000)  
and try to keep up at ZAP?

Well, it does help to have a perfect wife who is here while I am out,  
a great General Manager and a staff that really knows their stuff
BUT it also helps to have something to look forward to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bUteT7cuqY

or:
http://tinyurl.com/2sh4xb

This is a place we have visited in years past, there are 200 full  
time resident of the island, Jost Van Dyke, and this "resort", more  
like a bed and breakfast, only has 6 rooms.

It is the home to the famous Soggy Dollar Bar, but Dec. 6th we head  
to the BVI for 10 days!

If anyone is planning a trip to the Virgin Islands from Dec. 6-17,  
let me know.

Eugene

>

Eugene Montanez
ZAP Printing & Graphics
127 Radio Rd
Corona, CA 92879
951-734-8181

Zapit@zapcolor.com




From list at interiorgraphics.com  Mon Sep 17 14:45:28 2007
From: list at interiorgraphics.com (Michelle at Interior Graphics)
Date: Mon Sep 17 14:49:14 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Totally (off) but hey it's Monday
In-Reply-To: <051ECE0F-0A80-4648-B36D-956156C9B1EC@zapcolor.com>
References: <20070915211912.5A452B85837@rb.enter.net>
	<051ECE0F-0A80-4648-B36D-956156C9B1EC@zapcolor.com>
Message-ID: <4BD8A8BA-4C0E-4093-A978-38AF7B06C55B@interiorgraphics.com>

Wow!  That place looks awesome!  It sure does help to have your eyes  
on the goal.  I've got Mexico on my mind...  That, and my family,  
keep me trudging along!


Michelle Maynor
"Your Personal Printer"
Interior Graphics & Printing
770 8th Avenue
Fairbanks, AK 99701
907.456.4982 phone
907.452.6992 fax



On Sep 17, 2007, at 10:33 AM, Eugene Montanez wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Some have asked how I can be Mayor of a pretty large city (150,000)  
> and try to keep up at ZAP?
>
> Well, it does help to have a perfect wife who is here while I am  
> out, a great General Manager and a staff that really knows their stuff
> BUT it also helps to have something to look forward to:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bUteT7cuqY
>
> or:
> http://tinyurl.com/2sh4xb
>
> This is a place we have visited in years past, there are 200 full  
> time resident of the island, Jost Van Dyke, and this "resort", more  
> like a bed and breakfast, only has 6 rooms.
>
> It is the home to the famous Soggy Dollar Bar, but Dec. 6th we head  
> to the BVI for 10 days!
>
> If anyone is planning a trip to the Virgin Islands from Dec. 6-17,  
> let me know.
>
> Eugene
>
>>
>
> Eugene Montanez
> ZAP Printing & Graphics
> 127 Radio Rd
> Corona, CA 92879
> 951-734-8181
>
> Zapit@zapcolor.com
>
>
>
>
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From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Mon Sep 17 14:49:25 2007
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Mon Sep 17 14:49:19 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Totally (off) but hey it's Monday
In-Reply-To: <051ECE0F-0A80-4648-B36D-956156C9B1EC@zapcolor.com>
References: <20070915211912.5A452B85837@rb.enter.net>
	<051ECE0F-0A80-4648-B36D-956156C9B1EC@zapcolor.com>
Message-ID: <00e201c7f95b$78503110$6601a8c0@corapurvine>

I could almost smell the ocean. I lived in Santa Monica, near the ocean, for
a while. Thanks for sharing!!!! 


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Mon Sep 17 15:39:27 2007
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Mon Sep 17 15:39:40 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Totally (off) but hey it's Monday
In-Reply-To: <051ECE0F-0A80-4648-B36D-956156C9B1EC@zapcolor.com>
References: <20070915211912.5A452B85837@rb.enter.net>
	<051ECE0F-0A80-4648-B36D-956156C9B1EC@zapcolor.com>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0709171239h4a7f0c5bk4a1fa08dc0dfcdb3@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/17/07, Eugene Montanez <zapit@zapcolor.com> wrote:
>
> BUT it also helps to have something to look forward to:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bUteT7cuqY
>
> This is a place we have visited in years past, there are 200 full
> time resident of the island, Jost Van Dyke, and this "resort", more
> like a bed and breakfast, only has 6 rooms.

That  was the first stop (after leaving St. Thomas) on one of the best
vacations I've ever taken -- a bareboat charter (42' Grand Banks)
around the BVI. First stop -- the beach bar on Jost Van Dyke (Foxy's,
I think -- it was a lot of years ago). If you ever get a chance to do
the BVI this way -- on your own (chartered) boat, at your own
leisurely pace, needing nothing more complex than sight navigation,
don't hesitate for a second!!

Enjoy, Eugene!


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com

====================================
Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
                                                     ~ Lord Bacon
From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Mon Sep 17 16:11:42 2007
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Mon Sep 17 16:12:35 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Totally (off) but hey it's Monday
Message-ID: <cc4.1b8fbf05.3420397e@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 9/17/2007 3:41:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com writes:

First  stop -- the beach bar on Jost Van Dyke (Foxy's,
I think -- it was a lot of  years ago). 


If I'm not mistaken, that is the bar that literally is right on the  beach 
and you make most of your own drinks or grab your own beers and run your  own 
tally and then pay at the end. The British and U.S. Virgin Islands match  
anything in beauty to islands found in the South Pacific. Having been to both,  the 
Virgin Islands are a lot closer and easier to get to, at least for me. It is  
still one of my personal goals to fly my plane there and just island hop...  
The only island I would never attempt to land at is St. Bart's where you need a 
 special checkout and approval prior to making any attempts at landing.... if 
 you've seen St. Bart's you will know exactly what I am talking about.
 

John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)   

by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 

2110 S. Dairy  Road
West Melbourne, FL 32904
321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
Cell:  321-794-6259
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
"Winners  analyze, losers rationalize."



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From dvmonto at optonline.net  Mon Sep 17 16:40:29 2007
From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto)
Date: Mon Sep 17 16:40:46 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Totally (off) but hey it's Monday
In-Reply-To: <051ECE0F-0A80-4648-B36D-956156C9B1EC@zapcolor.com>
Message-ID: <C3145E7D.2757C%dvmonto@optonline.net>

I have been to the BVI just about every year since the 80's and I have to
agree with Eugene.

Here is a little video I put together from our trip last year. I did not do
one yet for this years trip, but I guess I should get to it........

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2351009876008329994


-- 
David V. Monto

Sir Speedy Printing
1837 South Road
Wappingers Falls, NY 12590

Phone:845-298-8898
Fax: 845-298-8537

 __/7__/7__/7__
 \:::::::::::::::::::::::/
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"A man who is not a liberal in his twenties has no heart, and a man
who is not a conservative in his forties has no brain" -  Churchill



On 9/17/07 2:33 PM, "Eugene Montanez" <zapit@zapcolor.com> wrote:

> This is a place we have visited in years past, there are 200 full
> time resident of the island, Jost Van Dyke, and this "resort", more
> like a bed and breakfast, only has 6 rooms.
> 
> It is the home to the famous Soggy Dollar Bar, but Dec. 6th we head
> to the BVI for 10 days!
> 



From jgross at techiowa.com  Mon Sep 17 17:04:56 2007
From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross)
Date: Mon Sep 17 17:05:18 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Totally (off) but hey it's Monday
In-Reply-To: <C3145E7D.2757C%dvmonto@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <000901c7f96e$66d2ac70$1e00000a@tech.local>

Looks like a great way to travel, but I'll need to be a mate on the first
trip.  Stopping a sailboat in the right place without hitting anybody is a
feat I haven't a clue about.  Gotta show me first.

John A. Gross
Technigraphics, Inc.
PO Box 1846
Iowa City, Iowa 52244
jgross@techiowa.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of David Monto
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 3:40 PM
To: Printowners
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Totally (off) but hey it's Monday

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I have been to the BVI just about every year since the 80's and I have to
agree with Eugene.

Here is a little video I put together from our trip last year. I did not do
one yet for this years trip, but I guess I should get to it........

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2351009876008329994


-- 
David V. Monto

Sir Speedy Printing
1837 South Road
Wappingers Falls, NY 12590

Phone:845-298-8898
Fax: 845-298-8537

 __/7__/7__/7__
 \:::::::::::::::::::::::/
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"A man who is not a liberal in his twenties has no heart, and a man
who is not a conservative in his forties has no brain" -  Churchill



On 9/17/07 2:33 PM, "Eugene Montanez" <zapit@zapcolor.com> wrote:

> This is a place we have visited in years past, there are 200 full
> time resident of the island, Jost Van Dyke, and this "resort", more
> like a bed and breakfast, only has 6 rooms.
> 
> It is the home to the famous Soggy Dollar Bar, but Dec. 6th we head
> to the BVI for 10 days!
> 



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From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Mon Sep 17 17:07:58 2007
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Mon Sep 17 17:06:58 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Totally (off) but hey it's Monday
In-Reply-To: <C3145E7D.2757C%dvmonto@optonline.net>
References: <C3145E7D.2757C%dvmonto@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <E8C9DAD6-256C-4972-94EC-4E4E683FE618@falconprintandcopy.com>

So how long were you all in the business before you were able to take  
a proper vacation.  I'm averaging .75 days off a year over the past  
three years.  Maybe 08 will be my year though!

Regards,

Borzou


-------------- next part --------------

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t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134


On Sep 17, 2007, at 4:40 PM, David Monto wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I have been to the BVI just about every year since the 80's and I  
> have to
> agree with Eugene.
>
> Here is a little video I put together from our trip last year. I  
> did not do
> one yet for this years trip, but I guess I should get to it........
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2351009876008329994
>
>
> -- 
> David V. Monto
>
> Sir Speedy Printing
> 1837 South Road
> Wappingers Falls, NY 12590
>
> Phone:845-298-8898
> Fax: 845-298-8537
>
>  __/7__/7__/7__
>  \:::::::::::::::::::::::/
>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "A man who is not a liberal in his twenties has no heart, and a man
> who is not a conservative in his forties has no brain" -  Churchill
>
>
>
> On 9/17/07 2:33 PM, "Eugene Montanez" <zapit@zapcolor.com> wrote:
>
>> This is a place we have visited in years past, there are 200 full
>> time resident of the island, Jost Van Dyke, and this "resort", more
>> like a bed and breakfast, only has 6 rooms.
>>
>> It is the home to the famous Soggy Dollar Bar, but Dec. 6th we head
>> to the BVI for 10 days!
>>
>
>
>
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From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Mon Sep 17 17:19:12 2007
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Mon Sep 17 17:19:02 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Totally (off) but hey it's Monday
In-Reply-To: <E8C9DAD6-256C-4972-94EC-4E4E683FE618@falconprintandcopy.com>
References: <C3145E7D.2757C%dvmonto@optonline.net>
	<E8C9DAD6-256C-4972-94EC-4E4E683FE618@falconprintandcopy.com>
Message-ID: <010901c7f970$64da4cf0$6601a8c0@corapurvine>

I haven't had a PROPER VACATION since we went to Aruba 10 years ago.....:  (



Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 4:08 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Totally (off) but hey it's Monday

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From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com  Mon Sep 17 17:48:20 2007
From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com)
Date: Mon Sep 17 17:48:49 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Totally (off) but hey it's Monday
Message-ID: <be2.1cc5bf91.34205024@aol.com>

Let's Make A Print Owner's Get_away Trip for all of us.  Last vacation  I had 
was back in 98'  Sign Me UP!
 
Tommy Melendez
 
Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
3612 E. Tremont  Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
NAQP Member  #1031539
718.904.7760
718.892.2315 Fax
_www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) 




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From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Mon Sep 17 19:47:53 2007
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Mon Sep 17 19:48:14 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Totally (off) but hey it's Monday
In-Reply-To: <be2.1cc5bf91.34205024@aol.com>
References: <be2.1cc5bf91.34205024@aol.com>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0709171647n202c096ds3463ab5ef35ffd49@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/17/07, VillagePrinting1@aol.com <VillagePrinting1@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Let's Make A Print Owner's Get_away Trip for all of us.  Last vacation  I had
> was back in 98'  Sign Me UP!


A "get-away trip for all of us" would be a printing convention, not a vacation.



-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com

====================================
Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
                                                     ~ Lord Bacon
From info at desktopsxm.com  Mon Sep 17 19:57:01 2007
From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint)
Date: Mon Sep 17 19:57:22 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Totally (off) but hey it's Monday
In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0709171647n202c096ds3463ab5ef35ffd49@mail.gmail.com>
References: <be2.1cc5bf91.34205024@aol.com>
	<98f5b19a0709171647n202c096ds3463ab5ef35ffd49@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9EF34197-935A-4EFB-BB6D-9A569B808A12@desktopsxm.com>

would you all be interested in another printers convention in St.  
Maarten.


Joel Brint
Desktop Imaging
St. Maarten
Tel 542-4044
fax 543-1100

"The Printshop with a Difference"



On Sep 17, 2007, at 7:47 PM, Michael Vogel wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> On 9/17/07, VillagePrinting1@aol.com <VillagePrinting1@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> Let's Make A Print Owner's Get_away Trip for all of us.  Last  
>> vacation  I had
>> was back in 98'  Sign Me UP!
>
>
> A "get-away trip for all of us" would be a printing convention, not  
> a vacation.
>
>
>
> -- 
> Michael Vogel
> Sir Speedy Printing
> 9 Research Drive
> Milford, CT 06460
> tel 203-877-1231
> fax 203-878-2679
> mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
> www.eSirSpeedy.com
>
> ====================================
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> criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
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From greg at ajprinting.com  Mon Sep 17 19:57:14 2007
From: greg at ajprinting.com (Greg Johnston)
Date: Mon Sep 17 20:10:49 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Totally (off) but hey it's Monday
In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0709171647n202c096ds3463ab5ef35ffd49@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <be2.1cc5bf91.34205024@aol.com>
	<98f5b19a0709171647n202c096ds3463ab5ef35ffd49@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070917165630.03449ae8@ajprinting.com>

Michael Vogel wrote:A "get-away trip for all of us" would be a 
printing convention, not a vacation.

AND THEN REHAB.





At 04:47 PM 9/17/2007, you wrote:
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>On 9/17/07, VillagePrinting1@aol.com <VillagePrinting1@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > Let's Make A Print Owner's Get_away Trip for all of us.  Last 
> vacation  I had
> > was back in 98'  Sign Me UP!
>
>
>A "get-away trip for all of us" would be a printing convention, not 
>a vacation.
>
>
>
>--
>Michael Vogel
>Sir Speedy Printing
>9 Research Drive
>Milford, CT 06460
>tel 203-877-1231
>fax 203-878-2679
>mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
>www.eSirSpeedy.com
>
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>criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
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AJ Printing & Graphics
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From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Mon Sep 17 20:50:53 2007
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Mon Sep 17 20:51:24 2007
Subject: Visiting St. Maarten Re: [PrintOwners] Totally (off) but hey it's
	Monday
Message-ID: <c2b.1743e851.34207aed@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 9/17/2007 7:58:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
info@desktopsxm.com writes:

would  you all be interested in another printers convention in St.   
Maarten.



Joel, of course I would be interested, but to be candid you do have to tell  
these folks what happened the last time you had a conference in St. 
Maarten....  Ok, it wasn't a huge hurricane, but when the hotel manager at the cocktail 
party  announced he had good news and bad news, and then proceeded to announce 
that the  drinks were free, but the airport had just been closed and a 
hurricane named  "Lenny" was headed our way and we would be stuck there for the 
duration it  wasn't funny... 
 
It's not funny when you take 35-50 printers and evacuate to a print  shop, 
with everyone sleeping on the floor, counters and every nook and cranny of  your 
shop, that was not fun.... <g> Ok, it was a bit funny, but only for a  few 
minutes until the reality set in that we might all be spending 24-36 hours  
packed in the shop.... I remember when I went outside during the height of the  
hurricane to have a cigarette and then suddenly stepping by accident into a  
two-foot deep drainage ditch that I didn't know was there..... 
 
I remember when someone offers me a slice of Spam  and I actually accepted it 
and ate it... that is not fun. I  remember when the hurricane was finally 
over and we returned to the hotel and  lifted boulders out of the pool, and saw 
rocks piled 8 feet high that had been  thrown through the windows of the ocean 
front condos on the ground floor...  yes, I remember it well.... I remember 
drinking scotch by the moonlight that  night like it was the last scotch on 
earth and I ended up with a hangover so bad  the next morning that I considered 
just placing my head beneath the front tire  of a car and begging someone to 
drive over me! I also remember  carrying two buckets at a time to the second 
floor of our room to dump in the  toilet so we could flush the toilets... 
 
But most of all I remember listening to two local DJs who called up a  couple 
staying at a hotel.... somehow they new this family had two children and  
they, like so many others, were desperate to get off the island and on there way  
home.... the DJ's pretended to be calling from American Airlines and told the 
 couple that they could get them a flight out but the two children would have 
to  ride in the baggage compartment.... Honest to God, this was all live and  
absolutely true... well, at first, the couple objected strenuously but the DJ 
 (pretending to be from American Airlines) acted very sympathetic and told 
them  it was perfectly safe and pressurized, and the couple still objected... 
but then  the DJ told them that this might be the only flight for days and the 
only chance  to get off the island.... and you know what? The couple actually 
reneged and  finally decided (with thousands of people listening the 
conversation) that Ok,  they would let their kids ride in the baggage compartment..... 
it was a scene  right out of Candid Camera.
 
Ok Joel, I will come down there and in fact I am coming down there in  
November on a cruise, but will return any time you decide to have another go at  it! 
<g> Seriously, St. Maarten, both the Dutch and the French side, is a  
beautiful island to visit any time of the year. 
 
John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
_"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)  By Larry Hunt  & 
John Stewart
_www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) 
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
2110 S.  Dairy Road
West Melbourne, FL 32904
321-727-2442
FAX  321-727-2166
CELL: 321-794-6259

"Winners analyze, losers  rationalize."



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From oren66 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep 17 21:32:21 2007
From: oren66 at sbcglobal.net (Arie Teomi)
Date: Mon Sep 17 21:32:52 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Logo
Message-ID: <917203.70590.qm@web83403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Does anybody know of a good and resonable online Logo
creation service?

Thanks
Arie

Arie Teomi 
MINUTEMAN PRESS 
23500 Mercantile Suite F
  Cleveland, OH 44122 
P:216-464-1960 
F:216-464-1660 

www.minutemancleveland.com
  
Your Full Service 
PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner

From rick at jmjprinting.com  Mon Sep 17 21:53:45 2007
From: rick at jmjprinting.com (Rick Foster)
Date: Mon Sep 17 21:48:59 2007
Subject: Visiting St. Maarten Re: [PrintOwners] Totally (off) but hey
	it's 	Monday
In-Reply-To: <c2b.1743e851.34207aed@aol.com>
References: <c2b.1743e851.34207aed@aol.com>
Message-ID: <p05100307c314dfa41b33@[192.168.1.4]>

In reference to the message sent by QKCONSULT@aol.com, on 9/17/07, at 
8:50 PM -0400:

Amazingly even with all that scotch John consumed he still remembers 
the good times. <G>

-- 

Rick

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
        Rick B. Foster          JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA
  mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com        http://www.jmjprinting.com
         425.334.9716               Your Full Service Print Shop
       425.397.9716 Fax             We Appreciate Your Business!
_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
From info at desktopsxm.com  Mon Sep 17 21:55:40 2007
From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint)
Date: Mon Sep 17 21:55:44 2007
Subject: Visiting St. Maarten Re: [PrintOwners] Totally (off) but hey it's
	Monday
In-Reply-To: <c2b.1743e851.34207aed@aol.com>
References: <c2b.1743e851.34207aed@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C4E9DEE0-9C7C-4DF3-87F3-E540F3C4CF15@desktopsxm.com>

Hey John, don't make the others nervous.
I promise it won't be in November.
That Hurricane was weird. you forgot to mention that it went from  
West to East.
I think it was a first in known history.


Joel Brint
Desktop Imaging
St. Maarten
Tel 542-4044
fax 543-1100

"The Printshop with a Difference"



On Sep 17, 2007, at 8:50 PM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>
> In a message dated 9/17/2007 7:58:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> info@desktopsxm.com writes:
>
> would  you all be interested in another printers convention in St.
> Maarten.
>
>
>
> Joel, of course I would be interested, but to be candid you do have  
> to tell
> these folks what happened the last time you had a conference in St.
> Maarten....  Ok, it wasn't a huge hurricane, but when the hotel  
> manager at the cocktail
> party  announced he had good news and bad news, and then proceeded  
> to announce
> that the  drinks were free, but the airport had just been closed and a
> hurricane named  "Lenny" was headed our way and we would be stuck  
> there for the
> duration it  wasn't funny...
>
> It's not funny when you take 35-50 printers and evacuate to a  
> print  shop,
> with everyone sleeping on the floor, counters and every nook and  
> cranny of  your
> shop, that was not fun.... <g> Ok, it was a bit funny, but only for  
> a  few
> minutes until the reality set in that we might all be spending  
> 24-36 hours
> packed in the shop.... I remember when I went outside during the  
> height of the
> hurricane to have a cigarette and then suddenly stepping by  
> accident into a
> two-foot deep drainage ditch that I didn't know was there.....
>
> I remember when someone offers me a slice of Spam  and I actually  
> accepted it
> and ate it... that is not fun. I  remember when the hurricane was  
> finally
> over and we returned to the hotel and  lifted boulders out of the  
> pool, and saw
> rocks piled 8 feet high that had been  thrown through the windows  
> of the ocean
> front condos on the ground floor...  yes, I remember it well.... I  
> remember
> drinking scotch by the moonlight that  night like it was the last  
> scotch on
> earth and I ended up with a hangover so bad  the next morning that  
> I considered
> just placing my head beneath the front tire  of a car and begging  
> someone to
> drive over me! I also remember  carrying two buckets at a time to  
> the second
> floor of our room to dump in the  toilet so we could flush the  
> toilets...
>
> But most of all I remember listening to two local DJs who called up  
> a  couple
> staying at a hotel.... somehow they new this family had two  
> children and
> they, like so many others, were desperate to get off the island and  
> on there way
> home.... the DJ's pretended to be calling from American Airlines  
> and told the
>  couple that they could get them a flight out but the two children  
> would have
> to  ride in the baggage compartment.... Honest to God, this was all  
> live and
> absolutely true... well, at first, the couple objected strenuously  
> but the DJ
>  (pretending to be from American Airlines) acted very sympathetic  
> and told
> them  it was perfectly safe and pressurized, and the couple still  
> objected...
> but then  the DJ told them that this might be the only flight for  
> days and the
> only chance  to get off the island.... and you know what? The  
> couple actually
> reneged and  finally decided (with thousands of people listening the
> conversation) that Ok,  they would let their kids ride in the  
> baggage compartment.....
> it was a scene  right out of Candid Camera.
>
> Ok Joel, I will come down there and in fact I am coming down there in
> November on a cruise, but will return any time you decide to have  
> another go at  it!
> <g> Seriously, St. Maarten, both the Dutch and the French side, is a
> beautiful island to visit any time of the year.
>
> John  Stewart
> Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
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From Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au  Mon Sep 17 22:03:30 2007
From: Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au (Harry Brelsford)
Date: Mon Sep 17 22:03:49 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Logo
In-Reply-To: <917203.70590.qm@web83403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <917203.70590.qm@web83403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a06230906c314e245e9ba@[192.168.15.132]>


Try these - never used them.

http://www.pixellogo.com

Harry



>Does anybody know of a good and resonable online Logo
>creation service?
>
>Thanks
>Arie
>
>Arie Teomi
>MINUTEMAN PRESS
>23500 Mercantile Suite F
>   Cleveland, OH 44122
>P:216-464-1960
>F:216-464-1660

-- 
Harry Brelsford

Varsity Graphics
Shop 2 - 195 Varsity Parade
Varsity Lakes QLD 4227
Australia
Ph: 61 7 5575 9417
Fax: 61 7 5575 8091
Harry@VarsityGraphics.com.au
From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Mon Sep 17 22:21:25 2007
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Mon Sep 17 22:21:37 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Logo
In-Reply-To: <917203.70590.qm@web83403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <917203.70590.qm@web83403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0709171921l770dfb01q9c52169345e0ec77@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/17/07, Arie Teomi <oren66@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Does anybody know of a good and resonable online Logo
> creation service?

FWIW, this showed up in the Gmail adspace above your post:

   "Business Logo $99 - www.TheLogoLoft.com - 18,000 Businesses Love
Their Logo. Love Yours Too, Or Your Money Back!"


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com

====================================
Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
                                                     ~ Lord Bacon
From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com  Mon Sep 17 23:12:23 2007
From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com)
Date: Mon Sep 17 23:12:40 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Totally (off) but hey it's Monday
Message-ID: <d43.11a08c18.34209c17@aol.com>

That would be a nice vacation or conference like Michael Vogel said.   But it 
leaves us for some good times after seminars.
 
 
Tommy Melendez

Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
3612 E. Tremont  Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
NAQP Member  #1031539
718.904.7760
718.892.2315 Fax
_www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) 




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From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Mon Sep 17 23:50:47 2007
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Mon Sep 17 23:51:03 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Totally (off) but hey it's Monday
In-Reply-To: <d43.11a08c18.34209c17@aol.com>
References: <d43.11a08c18.34209c17@aol.com>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0709172050w4c1a751fwe82aa101ac2a2ac7@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/18/07, VillagePrinting1@aol.com <VillagePrinting1@aol.com> wrote:
>
> That would be a nice vacation or conference like Michael Vogel said.   But it
> leaves us for some good times after seminars.


Not quite. What he said was that a printers' get-away would be a
printers' conference, NOT a vacation. It's great to enjoy a good time
around a conference. But a vacation should be a mind-clearing respite
from all that's work-related.


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com

====================================
Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
                                                     ~ Lord Bacon
From boyantonprinting at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 18 00:38:52 2007
From: boyantonprinting at yahoo.com (Boyanton Printing)
Date: Tue Sep 18 00:39:56 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Totally (off) but hey it's Monday
In-Reply-To: <be2.1cc5bf91.34205024@aol.com>
Message-ID: <620705.71826.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

That's a great idea! I happen to be a travel agent on
the side and could handle booking the trip. How about
a group cruise to the caribbean! There are cruises
starting at 3 days long, 5 to 7 would be better. That
would be a great time!

Greg Boyanton
Boyanton Printing, Inc.
1018 N. Flowood Drive
Suite D
Flowood, MS 39232
601-939-6725
Fax: 601-939-7480

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> us.  Last vacation  I had 
> was back in 98'  Sign Me UP!
>  
> Tommy Melendez
>  
> Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
> 3612 E. Tremont  Avenue
> Bronx, N.Y. 10465
> NAQP Member  #1031539
> 718.904.7760
> 718.892.2315 Fax
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From jdaghir at gmail.com  Tue Sep 18 01:28:46 2007
From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir)
Date: Tue Sep 18 01:28:59 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference
In-Reply-To: <be1.1dd7bd06.341bf34b@aol.com>
References: <be1.1dd7bd06.341bf34b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <83d5b9620709172228u23f780b2r4a4f67af01b917e6@mail.gmail.com>

Okay, I know Robin asked for no more Chicago talk, but I'm just now
getting caught up and have some time to organize my thoughts about the
conference and Graph Expo. First off, as others have already said, if
you have never gone you should really do yourself a favor and make
time to go next year. It's a great opportunity to share, learn and
make some new friends. Personally I think meeting other printers is
the best part - the opportunity to spend some time with people who
know EXACTLY the problems I face every day. It helps keep me
(relatively) sane the rest of the year. The classes are usually very
good also. This year we had a lot of discussion about transforming
your business from just a job shop to more of a marketing solutions
provider. There were also classes on the technical aspects of variable
data production, marketing with purls and mailing services, all of
which dovetail nicely with becoming a marketing solutions provider. In
addition there was good class on equipment leasing - very timely for
me since I'm in the market for a new color copier. Overall the
conference was great - I think there were more attendees at this
year's conference than there have been in the last several years. And
that's a good thing.

Graph Expo is also a sight to see - especially if you are an equipment
junkie like me. In no particular order here's some of things I learned
at Graph Expo:

Pantone has an new spot color system out - Pantone Goe. It has 2000
some colors in it compared to the 1000 colors in the current PMS
systems and 10 new ink mixing bases. The new guide is laid out a
little more logically than the PMS guide but other than that I see no
benefit to printers. In fact it will probably be a big pain in the ass
since we will probably have to support both PMS and GOE for several
years. Hopefully it will be a long time before any designers in my
area start to use it. Pantone does have a pretty cool monitor
calibration system out - the Pantone Huey. It's pretty inexpensive and
worth checking out if you don't already have a monitor calibrator. And
in case you didn't already know Pantone is now owned by Xrite.

Konica Minolta is discontinuing the C500 in favor of the C550. The
C550 is essentially the C650 slowed down to 50 pages per minute. Same
engine and feed system, but it doesn't have some of the advanced
finishing options and the only rip choice is the internal Fiery. List
price is about $5000 less than the C650.

The Canon Impress C1 was an interesting machine. Beautiful output - in
fact I think it's the best toner based output I've every seen. The
gloss level of the output was almost a dead match for a press. Great
solids, smooth screens. The screening was a little different than the
normal open rosettes you get from a press, but I had to look very,
very close to see it. And it didn't look bad, just different. Nobody
other than a printer would ever notice the difference. It also
includes an internal densitometer to recalibrate its output every two
sheets to help maintain consistent color over time. The lower fuser is
actually belt rather than a roller so there's a lot larger contact
area in the fuser to help with fusing on heavy stocks. But here's the
catch - it's only 14 page per minute in color yet it's in the same
price range as the KM C650 and the X Doc 252. Personally I think it's
going to be a hard sell for Cannon at that price. The output is
better, but the output of the C650 and the Doc 252 is pretty damn
good. I don't think the improved quality is worth giving up the speed.
Maybe if the price was $10,000 less or if it could do 30 ppm instead
of 14 ppm it might be a little more compelling.

It seemed like there were many off-line UV coaters at the show this
year. I'm assuming this is due to the increasing amount of printing
that is done on digital devices and customer demand to have those
pieces coated to match printing that was done on a press. Prices
ranged from $20,000 for smaller manual feed devices to $40,000 for
devices with feeders and deliveries similar to a press. I'm not ready
for one yet, but it's something to keep an eye on. Digital pieces with
a UV coating look great!

HP had their new high-speed inkjet at the show - the HP CM8060 with
Edgline Technology. Very, very interesting - blazing fast for an
inkjet. Averages around 60 ppm, with up to 72 ppm. Like most inkjets
the speed varies with the total ink coverage. Uses CMYK inks plus a
clear primer that it lays down before the inks. It can print on most
normal uncoated stocks and some uncoated ones. Like other inkjets
heavy stocks and textured stocks are no problem. They were printing on
some heavily textured almost cloth-like stock at the show. And because
there's no fuser you don't have problems with dry, wavy, statically
charged output. Color doesn't vary at all. Color output was like most
other inkjets - mediocre at high speeds, stunning at low speeds. Since
it's an inkjet it has a wider color gamut than a press or a color
copier but it has trouble with graininess in light screens. The
machine is mechanically pretty simple - basically just paper transport
and the imaging head. It's aimed solely at the office market right now
- not print for pay. The large capacity stacker can only accept
8.5x11. 11x17 has to go through the bypass tray which is limited to
about 50 sheets. And it only has a low power embedded rip with PCL and
emulated PostScript. They don't really have a service contract
available for it and your ink costs will vary with coverage. And its
print head is only 8.5" inches wide so it runs 8.5x11 portrait through
the machine. When it does 11x17 it has to shift the head sideways and
make 2 passes to completely cover 11" wide paper, so 11x17 runs almost
1/4 the speed of letter. But the product manager I spoke to was very
keen to hear what changes/improvements I thought would be necessary
for it to be acceptable to the print for pay market. I think this
technology is worth watching very closely as it neatly bypasses many
of the inherent disadvantages of toner-based copiers. Improving the
paper handling and the rip are basically slam-dunks because HP can
simply transplant technology from existing copiers. If they can widen
the print head and improve the ink/paper compatibility I think there
is a very real possibility this technology could completely replace
toner-based copiers in 5-7 years.

There was a small area dedicated to XPS technologies and products at
the show. Right now most of the stuff was APIs and toolkits aimed at
developers for incorporation into other products, but there was one
company that was developing a stand-alone XPS preflight and editing
tool similar to PitStop. Global Graphics also had a good white paper
on XPS. If your not familiar with XPS it's basically Microsoft's
graphic page description format similar to a PDF. At first you might
think this bad for printers like the Pantone Goes sytem because it's
ONE MORE file format we'll have to support,  but I think in the end it
will actually be beneficial to us. XPS technology is built into every
copy of Vista and every copy of Office 2007 and is a free download for
XP. In a few years essentially EVERYONE will be able to create XPS as
easily as they print a document. The reason it will be good for us is
because we won't have to teach customers how to install and use a
virtual printer driver from our website or use Primo PDF or PDF995 or
anything like that. The XPS creation functionality will already be
built in. The best part is that the XPS format will not allow you to
create a document that doesn't have all of the fonts embedded and I
think this is still the number one GOTCHA with accepting customer
files. It won't solve all our problems as you will still be able to
make documents with low-res graphics, RGB color when it should be spot
color, etc. but fixing the font mess is a biggie. PDFs won't go away -
they're too firmly entrenched in the graphics art market. I think in
the long run we will continue to get PDFs from professional designers
but office users will send us XPS files. Global Graphics has added
handling of native XPS files directly in their rip - no need to
convert to PDF or Postscript before processing. I forgot to ask Xante
(RipIt) or EFI what their plans for XPS files were.

4-Over had a VERY large booth at the show - as large as some of the
big equipment vendors. I'm not sure if this means their doing well or
they are getting desperate. We've sent a few jobs to them and they
looked great. But don't ask them any questions or expect them to do
anything other than the commodity items in their catalog. Their prices
are ridiculously low - we usually triple their price. I'm just not
willing to sell printing that looks that good so cheaply. They did say
they were opening up a second plant in Ohio next year. All the orders
will continue to go through the same website but if you're in the
Midwest or the East Coast you should see a decrease in shipping costs
and times. I have mixed feelings about 4-Over ... I haven't decided if
they are a threat to my business or a boon.

Those were the things that stuck out the most in my mind. Again, if
you've never gone to the NAQP Owner's Conference or Graph Expo you
should really give it some serious consideration. No, it's not cheap.
But you'll get more information crammed into three or four days than
any other way possible, have a lot of fun and  make several new
life-long friends. And to me that is REAL value for my hard-earned
dollar.


-- 
Jeff Daghir
MPS Printing, Inc.
"The Ink & Paper People"
Madison, IN
www.mpsprinting.com
jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com
From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com  Tue Sep 18 05:17:51 2007
From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com)
Date: Tue Sep 18 05:18:54 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference
Message-ID: <d61.122ca9c7.3420f1bf@aol.com>

Jeff I couldn't agree with you more.  It's a small price to pay for  
improving all of our bottom lines.  The seminars I attended, were very  informative.  
One in particular is already paying off dividends.   Price Does Not Matter.  
There are a few customers I was  accepting doing their orders from their disc 
without rip charges.  I  realized that the few competitors I have are still 
running paper plates &  are not too savvy with accepting files from clients.  
These same clients  are not complaining about rip charges anymore.  Simply put, 
we  have excellent CSR's that can manage to provide the services they need  
RIGHT AWAY! 
 
And as for making friends.  Other than my customers, I found the  closest few 
that I met at the conference to be very good friends.  You know  who you are 
guys.
 
Jeff don't forget to inquire about RockBottoms
 
Tommy Melendez
 
Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
3612 E. Tremont  Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
NAQP Member  #1031539
718.904.7760
718.892.2315 Fax
_www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) 



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From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com  Tue Sep 18 09:07:01 2007
From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo)
Date: Tue Sep 18 09:07:20 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe's 3Q Profit
Message-ID: <46EFCD75.4010902@sugarloafprint.com>

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8RNEK082&show_article=1

http://tinyurl.com/ywj2au

So has anybody heard anything lately?

-- 
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Ron Sardo
Sugarloaf Print Shop
mailto:ron@sugarloafprint.com
www.sugarloafprint.com
570-788-5099 . Fax: 570-788-6077


-- 
Ron Sardo
Sugarloaf Print Shop
mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com
www.sugarloafprint.com
570-788-5099 . Fax: 570-788-6077

From jodib at blackfoot.net  Tue Sep 18 10:53:51 2007
From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser)
Date: Tue Sep 18 10:54:38 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Logo
References: <917203.70590.qm@web83403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000801c7fa03$ba268140$0101a8c0@desktoppbl>

Arie:

I have an excellent designer here in Missoula, and she works with businesses 
in and outside of Montana.  She also has done the Missoula Parade of Homes 
catalog for 5+ years and does a quarterly  magazine for the city of 
Missoula.  Her resume includes
 working in a printing environment so she has a very good understanding of 
artwork preparation.

You may contact her directly:  Kim Kinsinger
                                                  K Design
                                                  406-273-6193
                                                  kdesign@montana.com

If you have any additional questions, feel free to contact me directly:

Jodi Bowser
Pyramid Printing
Missoula, Montana
jodib@blackfoot.net
406-728-1503
fax 406-728-0505

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arie Teomi" <oren66@sbcglobal.net>
To: <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 7:32 PM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Logo


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Does anybody know of a good and resonable online Logo
> creation service?
>
> Thanks
> Arie
>
> Arie Teomi
> MINUTEMAN PRESS
> 23500 Mercantile Suite F
>  Cleveland, OH 44122
> P:216-464-1960
> F:216-464-1660
>
> www.minutemancleveland.com
>
> Your Full Service
> PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner
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From clc at crownmax.com  Tue Sep 18 10:59:11 2007
From: clc at crownmax.com (clc)
Date: Tue Sep 18 10:59:39 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Totally (off) but hey it's Monday
References: <be2.1cc5bf91.34205024@aol.com><98f5b19a0709171647n202c096ds3463ab5ef35ffd49@mail.gmail.com>
	<9EF34197-935A-4EFB-BB6D-9A569B808A12@desktopsxm.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c7fa04$7950cc60$7201a8c0@Crown.local>

I would if you can arrange for Stewart to sleep on the floor!

Seriously that is a great idea.


Charlie Counts

CROWNMAX, Inc.
2301 Roxalana Road
P O Box 234
Dunbar, WV 25064-0234
1-800-252-4011 -- Fax 304-744-8652

clc@crownmax.com
www.crownmax.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joel Brint" <info@desktopsxm.com>
To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" 
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Totally (off) but hey it's Monday


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> would you all be interested in another printers convention in St. 
> Maarten.
>
>
> Joel Brint
> Desktop Imaging
> St. Maarten
> Tel 542-4044
> fax 543-1100
>
> "The Printshop with a Difference"
>
>
>
> On Sep 17, 2007, at 7:47 PM, Michael Vogel wrote:
>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> On 9/17/07, VillagePrinting1@aol.com <VillagePrinting1@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Let's Make A Print Owner's Get_away Trip for all of us.  Last  vacation 
>>> I had
>>> was back in 98'  Sign Me UP!
>>
>>
>> A "get-away trip for all of us" would be a printing convention, not  a 
>> vacation.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Michael Vogel
>> Sir Speedy Printing
>> 9 Research Drive
>> Milford, CT 06460
>> tel 203-877-1231
>> fax 203-878-2679
>> mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
>> www.eSirSpeedy.com
>>
>> ====================================
>> Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
>> criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
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From char at themasterspress.com  Tue Sep 18 11:01:49 2007
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Tue Sep 18 11:04:50 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference
In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620709172228u23f780b2r4a4f67af01b917e6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <be1.1dd7bd06.341bf34b@aol.com>
	<83d5b9620709172228u23f780b2r4a4f67af01b917e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <015701c7fa04$dc35e040$0b01a8c0@CharXP>

Wow Jeff, you junkie.  Thanks.  I learned things from you here, and I was at
both.  Although I think I was talking too much and missed a lot at the show.
Big surprise.  There were good seminars and I missed some that you spoke
about.  You gave us a great birds eye view of the conference and show.
ch

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com
-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Daghir
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 12:29 AM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] NAQP Chicago Conference

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Okay, I know Robin asked for no more Chicago talk, but I'm just now
getting caught up and have some time to organize my thoughts about the
conference and Graph Expo. First off, as others have already said, if
you have never gone you should really do yourself a favor and make
time to go next year. It's a great opportunity to share, learn and
make some new friends. Personally I think meeting other printers is
the best part - the opportunity to spend some time with people who
know EXACTLY the problems I face every day. It helps keep me
(relatively) sane the rest of the year. The classes are usually very
good also. This year we had a lot of discussion about transforming
your business from just a job shop to more of a marketing solutions
provider. There were also classes on the technical aspects of variable
data production, marketing with purls and mailing services, all of
which dovetail nicely with becoming a marketing solutions provider. In
addition there was good class on equipment leasing - very timely for
me since I'm in the market for a new color copier. Overall the
conference was great - I think there were more attendees at this
year's conference than there have been in the last several years. And
that's a good thing.

Graph Expo is also a sight to see - especially if you are an equipment
junkie like me. In no particular order here's some of things I learned
at Graph Expo:

Pantone has an new spot color system out - Pantone Goe. It has 2000
some colors in it compared to the 1000 colors in the current PMS
systems and 10 new ink mixing bases. The new guide is laid out a
little more logically than the PMS guide but other than that I see no
benefit to printers. In fact it will probably be a big pain in the ass
since we will probably have to support both PMS and GOE for several
years. Hopefully it will be a long time before any designers in my
area start to use it. Pantone does have a pretty cool monitor
calibration system out - the Pantone Huey. It's pretty inexpensive and
worth checking out if you don't already have a monitor calibrator. And
in case you didn't already know Pantone is now owned by Xrite.

Konica Minolta is discontinuing the C500 in favor of the C550. The
C550 is essentially the C650 slowed down to 50 pages per minute. Same
engine and feed system, but it doesn't have some of the advanced
finishing options and the only rip choice is the internal Fiery. List
price is about $5000 less than the C650.

The Canon Impress C1 was an interesting machine. Beautiful output - in
fact I think it's the best toner based output I've every seen. The
gloss level of the output was almost a dead match for a press. Great
solids, smooth screens. The screening was a little different than the
normal open rosettes you get from a press, but I had to look very,
very close to see it. And it didn't look bad, just different. Nobody
other than a printer would ever notice the difference. It also
includes an internal densitometer to recalibrate its output every two
sheets to help maintain consistent color over time. The lower fuser is
actually belt rather than a roller so there's a lot larger contact
area in the fuser to help with fusing on heavy stocks. But here's the
catch - it's only 14 page per minute in color yet it's in the same
price range as the KM C650 and the X Doc 252. Personally I think it's
going to be a hard sell for Cannon at that price. The output is
better, but the output of the C650 and the Doc 252 is pretty damn
good. I don't think the improved quality is worth giving up the speed.
Maybe if the price was $10,000 less or if it could do 30 ppm instead
of 14 ppm it might be a little more compelling.

It seemed like there were many off-line UV coaters at the show this
year. I'm assuming this is due to the increasing amount of printing
that is done on digital devices and customer demand to have those
pieces coated to match printing that was done on a press. Prices
ranged from $20,000 for smaller manual feed devices to $40,000 for
devices with feeders and deliveries similar to a press. I'm not ready
for one yet, but it's something to keep an eye on. Digital pieces with
a UV coating look great!

HP had their new high-speed inkjet at the show - the HP CM8060 with
Edgline Technology. Very, very interesting - blazing fast for an
inkjet. Averages around 60 ppm, with up to 72 ppm. Like most inkjets
the speed varies with the total ink coverage. Uses CMYK inks plus a
clear primer that it lays down before the inks. It can print on most
normal uncoated stocks and some uncoated ones. Like other inkjets
heavy stocks and textured stocks are no problem. They were printing on
some heavily textured almost cloth-like stock at the show. And because
there's no fuser you don't have problems with dry, wavy, statically
charged output. Color doesn't vary at all. Color output was like most
other inkjets - mediocre at high speeds, stunning at low speeds. Since
it's an inkjet it has a wider color gamut than a press or a color
copier but it has trouble with graininess in light screens. The
machine is mechanically pretty simple - basically just paper transport
and the imaging head. It's aimed solely at the office market right now
- not print for pay. The large capacity stacker can only accept
8.5x11. 11x17 has to go through the bypass tray which is limited to
about 50 sheets. And it only has a low power embedded rip with PCL and
emulated PostScript. They don't really have a service contract
available for it and your ink costs will vary with coverage. And its
print head is only 8.5" inches wide so it runs 8.5x11 portrait through
the machine. When it does 11x17 it has to shift the head sideways and
make 2 passes to completely cover 11" wide paper, so 11x17 runs almost
1/4 the speed of letter. But the product manager I spoke to was very
keen to hear what changes/improvements I thought would be necessary
for it to be acceptable to the print for pay market. I think this
technology is worth watching very closely as it neatly bypasses many
of the inherent disadvantages of toner-based copiers. Improving the
paper handling and the rip are basically slam-dunks because HP can
simply transplant technology from existing copiers. If they can widen
the print head and improve the ink/paper compatibility I think there
is a very real possibility this technology could completely replace
toner-based copiers in 5-7 years.

There was a small area dedicated to XPS technologies and products at
the show. Right now most of the stuff was APIs and toolkits aimed at
developers for incorporation into other products, but there was one
company that was developing a stand-alone XPS preflight and editing
tool similar to PitStop. Global Graphics also had a good white paper
on XPS. If your not familiar with XPS it's basically Microsoft's
graphic page description format similar to a PDF. At first you might
think this bad for printers like the Pantone Goes sytem because it's
ONE MORE file format we'll have to support,  but I think in the end it
will actually be beneficial to us. XPS technology is built into every
copy of Vista and every copy of Office 2007 and is a free download for
XP. In a few years essentially EVERYONE will be able to create XPS as
easily as they print a document. The reason it will be good for us is
because we won't have to teach customers how to install and use a
virtual printer driver from our website or use Primo PDF or PDF995 or
anything like that. The XPS creation functionality will already be
built in. The best part is that the XPS format will not allow you to
create a document that doesn't have all of the fonts embedded and I
think this is still the number one GOTCHA with accepting customer
files. It won't solve all our problems as you will still be able to
make documents with low-res graphics, RGB color when it should be spot
color, etc. but fixing the font mess is a biggie. PDFs won't go away -
they're too firmly entrenched in the graphics art market. I think in
the long run we will continue to get PDFs from professional designers
but office users will send us XPS files. Global Graphics has added
handling of native XPS files directly in their rip - no need to
convert to PDF or Postscript before processing. I forgot to ask Xante
(RipIt) or EFI what their plans for XPS files were.

4-Over had a VERY large booth at the show - as large as some of the
big equipment vendors. I'm not sure if this means their doing well or
they are getting desperate. We've sent a few jobs to them and they
looked great. But don't ask them any questions or expect them to do
anything other than the commodity items in their catalog. Their prices
are ridiculously low - we usually triple their price. I'm just not
willing to sell printing that looks that good so cheaply. They did say
they were opening up a second plant in Ohio next year. All the orders
will continue to go through the same website but if you're in the
Midwest or the East Coast you should see a decrease in shipping costs
and times. I have mixed feelings about 4-Over ... I haven't decided if
they are a threat to my business or a boon.

Those were the things that stuck out the most in my mind. Again, if
you've never gone to the NAQP Owner's Conference or Graph Expo you
should really give it some serious consideration. No, it's not cheap.
But you'll get more information crammed into three or four days than
any other way possible, have a lot of fun and  make several new
life-long friends. And to me that is REAL value for my hard-earned
dollar.


-- 
Jeff Daghir
MPS Printing, Inc.
"The Ink & Paper People"
Madison, IN
www.mpsprinting.com
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From kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com  Tue Sep 18 12:52:10 2007
From: kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com (Kirk Squiers)
Date: Tue Sep 18 12:53:48 2007
Subject: Visiting St. Maarten Re: [PrintOwners] Totally (off) but hey
	it'sMonday
Message-ID: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111D4B9@fpserver.FP.local>

I'm in! Give me some dates.

Kirk K. Squiers
Central Michigan Graphics
1200 E. Oakland
Lansing, Michigan 48906
www.centralmichigangraphics.com
517-230-8600
kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com
-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Joel Brint
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:56 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: Visiting St. Maarten Re: [PrintOwners] Totally (off) but
hey it'sMonday

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Hey John, don't make the others nervous.
I promise it won't be in November.
That Hurricane was weird. you forgot to mention that it went from  
West to East.
I think it was a first in known history.


Joel Brint
Desktop Imaging
St. Maarten
Tel 542-4044
fax 543-1100

"The Printshop with a Difference"



On Sep 17, 2007, at 8:50 PM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>
> In a message dated 9/17/2007 7:58:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> info@desktopsxm.com writes:
>
> would  you all be interested in another printers convention in St.
> Maarten.
>
>
>
> Joel, of course I would be interested, but to be candid you do have  
> to tell
> these folks what happened the last time you had a conference in St.
> Maarten....  Ok, it wasn't a huge hurricane, but when the hotel  
> manager at the cocktail
> party  announced he had good news and bad news, and then proceeded  
> to announce
> that the  drinks were free, but the airport had just been closed and a
> hurricane named  "Lenny" was headed our way and we would be stuck  
> there for the
> duration it  wasn't funny...
>
> It's not funny when you take 35-50 printers and evacuate to a  
> print  shop,
> with everyone sleeping on the floor, counters and every nook and  
> cranny of  your
> shop, that was not fun.... <g> Ok, it was a bit funny, but only for  
> a  few
> minutes until the reality set in that we might all be spending  
> 24-36 hours
> packed in the shop.... I remember when I went outside during the  
> height of the
> hurricane to have a cigarette and then suddenly stepping by  
> accident into a
> two-foot deep drainage ditch that I didn't know was there.....
>
> I remember when someone offers me a slice of Spam  and I actually  
> accepted it
> and ate it... that is not fun. I  remember when the hurricane was  
> finally
> over and we returned to the hotel and  lifted boulders out of the  
> pool, and saw
> rocks piled 8 feet high that had been  thrown through the windows  
> of the ocean
> front condos on the ground floor...  yes, I remember it well.... I  
> remember
> drinking scotch by the moonlight that  night like it was the last  
> scotch on
> earth and I ended up with a hangover so bad  the next morning that  
> I considered
> just placing my head beneath the front tire  of a car and begging  
> someone to
> drive over me! I also remember  carrying two buckets at a time to  
> the second
> floor of our room to dump in the  toilet so we could flush the  
> toilets...
>
> But most of all I remember listening to two local DJs who called up  
> a  couple
> staying at a hotel.... somehow they new this family had two  
> children and
> they, like so many others, were desperate to get off the island and  
> on there way
> home.... the DJ's pretended to be calling from American Airlines  
> and told the
>  couple that they could get them a flight out but the two children  
> would have
> to  ride in the baggage compartment.... Honest to God, this was all  
> live and
> absolutely true... well, at first, the couple objected strenuously  
> but the DJ
>  (pretending to be from American Airlines) acted very sympathetic  
> and told
> them  it was perfectly safe and pressurized, and the couple still  
> objected...
> but then  the DJ told them that this might be the only flight for  
> days and the
> only chance  to get off the island.... and you know what? The  
> couple actually
> reneged and  finally decided (with thousands of people listening the
> conversation) that Ok,  they would let their kids ride in the  
> baggage compartment.....
> it was a scene  right out of Candid Camera.
>
> Ok Joel, I will come down there and in fact I am coming down there in
> November on a cruise, but will return any time you decide to have  
> another go at  it!
> <g> Seriously, St. Maarten, both the Dutch and the French side, is a
> beautiful island to visit any time of the year.
>
> John  Stewart
> Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
> _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)  By  
> Larry Hunt  &
> John Stewart
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From dominick at fmtc.com  Tue Sep 18 13:18:47 2007
From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing)
Date: Tue Sep 18 13:19:28 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions
Message-ID: <46F00877.40400@fmtc.com>

I am getting no where with Danka, or the other Canon sales company. 
Holding strong at 9.2 cents per click with 11 x 17 - 2 clicks. Told them 
they were nuts!

Remember how bad the KM6500 failed? The other company the bought it, has 
been down for 2 weeks waiting for parts! Another failure...

Have to admit, I have deleted all the e-mails talking about Xerox. They 
have always been the last resort for me, so I rarely save anything from 
them.

I think I am at or close to the "last resort" now, and want to open a 
conversation with them. I know their service sucks, so it would be a 
crap shoot.

What machine should I be looking for? I need consistant color quality, 
speed, and good off the glass. Which RIP would be the best choice?

I will share pricing (if I get any) and ask your opinions.

Thanks in advance for re-posting and re-answering.

Joe Dominick

Dominick's Quality Printing
542 W. Idaho Avenue
Ontario Oregon 97914
541.881.1121
Fax 541.881.1599

www.dominicksprinting.com
dominick@fmtc.com

Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider
Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here!

From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com  Tue Sep 18 13:33:31 2007
From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake)
Date: Tue Sep 18 13:34:52 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions
In-Reply-To: <46F00877.40400@fmtc.com>
References: <46F00877.40400@fmtc.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAAMTgi4BrjzJOgvGHbdvcWi0BAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>

They ARE nuts with that pricing. JMHO, don't go with a company with poor,
(or questionable) service. 

Mark Lake
PIP Printing
368 Jefferson Street
Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235
920.743.7370     920.743.4633 Fax
www.pipsturgeonbay.com      
Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dominick's Printing
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 12:19 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I am getting no where with Danka, or the other Canon sales company. 
Holding strong at 9.2 cents per click with 11 x 17 - 2 clicks. Told them
they were nuts!

I think I am at or close to the "last resort" now, and want to open a
conversation with them. I know their service sucks, so it would be a crap
shoot.

What machine should I be looking for? I need consistant color quality,
speed, and good off the glass. Which RIP would be the best choice?


From sos at olympus.net  Tue Sep 18 13:35:13 2007
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Tue Sep 18 13:35:16 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions
References: <46F00877.40400@fmtc.com>
Message-ID: <007d01c7fa1a$453fc7d0$0300a8c0@DANIEL>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dominick's Printing" <dominick@fmtc.com>
> I think I am at or close to the "last resort" now, and want to open a 
> conversation with them. I know their service sucks, so it would be a crap 
> shoot.
=======================

We've been pretty happy with the Xerox 240/Creo.   Now 242.  Although I was 
just trying to match color this morning with a proof I ran yesterday. 
Can't do it.
No amount of calibration or dinking around with gradation will match it. 
Always calibrate before running a proof.
The Doc 12 never needed calibration, never drifted, always right on the 
money.  The new EA toner, 240/250/260 needs to be calibrated at least every 
damned day.
It will not duplex cover stock, but does run it pretty well.

You can replace fuser, xerographic modules yourself so it doesn't need a lot 
of service.  But around here Xerox is the best service organization.  11x17 
always one click.  They have always been happy to send us a whole closest 
full of toner and replacement parts.

We've had it for a year and a half now, I don't really remember pricing and 
it probably wouldn't be that relevant now, but Larry Hunt approved the deal 
so it couldn't have been that bad.  Xerox simply would not quote a price, 
but we figured it out from their lease rates and amounts.

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860 


From don at sgbgprinting.com  Tue Sep 18 16:36:57 2007
From: don at sgbgprinting.com (Don Leese)
Date: Tue Sep 18 16:31:53 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers Plan
Message-ID: <00d901c7fa33$a8402280$1400a8c0@donxp>

I am looking for some feedback concerning the countless hours it will take to put stock sizes and paper variations into Printers Plan.  I just think that they should have made the program so you could upload a price book from Xpedx or Parsons like you can with Print Smith.  Thanks.

Don Leese
South Greensburg Printing
don@sgbgprinting.com
724-834-0295
From kellycrom at gmail.com  Tue Sep 18 16:40:51 2007
From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics)
Date: Tue Sep 18 16:41:01 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers Plan
In-Reply-To: <00d901c7fa33$a8402280$1400a8c0@donxp>
References: <00d901c7fa33$a8402280$1400a8c0@donxp>
Message-ID: <01bd01c7fa34$34fdf350$6d01a8c0@KELLY>

I am a PrintSmith user, but we never used the price book import feature. Why
would I want the entire pricebook of any paper vendor taking up that much
space in the program? We decided to only enter the stocks that we keep in
inventory(this only took maybe an hour). Then, when someone wants to order a
non-inventoried stock, it is entered as a special order item. From time to
time, we find that there are some commonly ordered(but not enough to keep in
stock) papers that we then created a new paper group for, so the reps don't
have to look them up in the book again.

Kelly Crom
Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.

We've Moved!!!
2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
Plymouth, MN  55441
New Phone:  (763)231-6970
kellycrom@gmail.com
www.applied-graphics.com 

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org 
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Don Leese
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 3:37 PM
> To: printowners@printweb.org
> Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers Plan
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> I am looking for some feedback concerning the countless hours 
> it will take to put stock sizes and paper variations into 
> Printers Plan.  I just think that they should have made the 
> program so you could upload a price book from Xpedx or 
> Parsons like you can with Print Smith.  Thanks.
> 
> Don Leese
> South Greensburg Printing
> don@sgbgprinting.com
> 724-834-0295
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From davek at epgvl.com  Tue Sep 18 16:41:08 2007
From: davek at epgvl.com (Dave Knapp)
Date: Tue Sep 18 16:41:07 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers Plan
In-Reply-To: <00d901c7fa33$a8402280$1400a8c0@donxp>
Message-ID: <003401c7fa34$408e4ee0$64fea8c0@DAVE>

Put them in as you need them. That way you are assured of a current,
up-to-date paper list.

Dave Knapp
Express Press of Greenville
555A South Pleasantburg Drive
Greenville, SC 29607
864/235-6950
864/242-3354 fax
DaveK@epgvl.com
www.epgvl.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Don Leese
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 4:37 PM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers Plan

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I am looking for some feedback concerning the countless hours it will take
to put stock sizes and paper variations into Printers Plan.  I just think
that they should have made the program so you could upload a price book from
Xpedx or Parsons like you can with Print Smith.  Thanks.

Don Leese
South Greensburg Printing
don@sgbgprinting.com
724-834-0295
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From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Tue Sep 18 16:46:33 2007
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Tue Sep 18 16:46:57 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers Plan
In-Reply-To: <00d901c7fa33$a8402280$1400a8c0@donxp>
References: <00d901c7fa33$a8402280$1400a8c0@donxp>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0709181346n7c3adab8o252ca1f3ad0403e6@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/18/07, Don Leese <don@sgbgprinting.com> wrote:
>
> I am looking for some feedback concerning the countless hours it will take to put > stock sizes and paper variations into Printers Plan.  I just think that they should > have made the program so you could upload a price book from Xpedx or Parsons > like you can with Print Smith.  Thanks.


It's really not as endless a process as you might think. Specs can be
copied and pasted from one paper to another, and you would have to
change only the paper name and price. There's no need for the whole
price book, only the papers you commonly use, and a paper in each size
and category called "Other," the cost for which you'll be prompted to
enter at the appropriate time when pricing. As for uploading from
Xpedx, I thought that could be done (I don't use Xpedx). At any rate,
the pain of the set-up effort will pay significant dividends for a
long time. It's a great program.


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com

====================================
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criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
                                                     ~ Lord Bacon
From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Tue Sep 18 17:02:55 2007
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Tue Sep 18 17:02:59 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers Plan
In-Reply-To: <003401c7fa34$408e4ee0$64fea8c0@DAVE>
References: <00d901c7fa33$a8402280$1400a8c0@donxp>
	<003401c7fa34$408e4ee0$64fea8c0@DAVE>
Message-ID: <000d01c7fa37$492ba1d0$6601a8c0@corapurvine>

I also find I also like it better to just enter the paper I use. I also put
an initial after the paper so I know who I got it from at a glance.

Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz


From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com  Tue Sep 18 17:18:40 2007
From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake)
Date: Tue Sep 18 17:20:07 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers Plan
In-Reply-To: <00d901c7fa33$a8402280$1400a8c0@donxp>
References: <00d901c7fa33$a8402280$1400a8c0@donxp>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAANZji7y76ZJMtRMs6tiJUf4BAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>

Just another reason that I said previously that no program will have
everything you want. PS has that feature, PP doesn't. I don't think 1
program is that much better than the other. They each have their strong and
weak points, so I'm not spending the money to go from a program with one set
of problems to another with a different set of problems. JMHO


Mark Lake
PIP Printing
368 Jefferson Street
Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235
920.743.7370     920.743.4633 Fax
www.pipsturgeonbay.com      
Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Don Leese
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 3:37 PM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers Plan

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I am looking for some feedback concerning the countless hours it will take
to put stock sizes and paper variations into Printers Plan.  I just think
that they should have made the program so you could upload a price book from
Xpedx or Parsons like you can with Print Smith.  Thanks.

Don Leese
South Greensburg Printing
don@sgbgprinting.com
724-834-0295
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From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Tue Sep 18 18:04:34 2007
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Tue Sep 18 18:04:46 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers Plan
In-Reply-To: <000d01c7fa37$492ba1d0$6601a8c0@corapurvine>
References: <00d901c7fa33$a8402280$1400a8c0@donxp>
	<003401c7fa34$408e4ee0$64fea8c0@DAVE>
	<000d01c7fa37$492ba1d0$6601a8c0@corapurvine>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0709181504v62794347of491e25abb6926@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/18/07, Cora Purvine <cpurvine1@cox.net> wrote:
>
> I also put
> an initial after the paper so I know who I got it from at a glance.


Why not use the paper vendor drop-down list?


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com

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From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Tue Sep 18 18:11:54 2007
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Tue Sep 18 18:12:05 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers Plan
In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0709181504v62794347of491e25abb6926@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00d901c7fa33$a8402280$1400a8c0@donxp><003401c7fa34$408e4ee0$64fea8c0@DAVE><000d01c7fa37$492ba1d0$6601a8c0@corapurvine>
	<98f5b19a0709181504v62794347of491e25abb6926@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <011f01c7fa40$f8df6770$6601a8c0@corapurvine>

I do use the list, but if I am in a hurry and want to go by vendor, that is
a quick way for me to see who I got it from. Saves a click....for me
anyway<G>


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

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[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:05 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Printers Plan

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On 9/18/07, Cora Purvine <cpurvine1@cox.net> wrote:
>
> I also put
> an initial after the paper so I know who I got it from at a glance.


Why not use the paper vendor drop-down list?


--
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com

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From rstor at copycats.com  Tue Sep 18 18:11:28 2007
From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor)
Date: Tue Sep 18 18:13:25 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers Plan
In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0709181504v62794347of491e25abb6926@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00d901c7fa33$a8402280$1400a8c0@donxp>	<003401c7fa34$408e4ee0$64fea8c0@DAVE>	<000d01c7fa37$492ba1d0$6601a8c0@corapurvine>
	<98f5b19a0709181504v62794347of491e25abb6926@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46F04D10.3000906@copycats.com>

I am looking at Printer's Plan.

One of my challenges is that one of our locations is a pretty busy and 
has a bunch of small-ticket cash sales. Some people that I've spoke with 
run these through a cash register that is parallel to the Printer's Plan 
software.

Has anyone found a good workable solution for my type of environment 
that runs through PP? I'd like to capture the revenue category of all 
transactions, not be prone to employee calculation errors, a have a good 
cash accounting at the end of the day.

Thanks,
Bob Stor
Copycats
New York, NY
212-557-2111 x20
www.copycats.com

Michael Vogel wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> On 9/18/07, Cora Purvine <cpurvine1@cox.net> wrote:
>   
>> I also put
>> an initial after the paper so I know who I got it from at a glance.
>>     
>
>
> Why not use the paper vendor drop-down list?
>
>
>   
From jdaghir at gmail.com  Tue Sep 18 18:15:12 2007
From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir)
Date: Tue Sep 18 18:16:06 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions
In-Reply-To: <46F00877.40400@fmtc.com>
References: <46F00877.40400@fmtc.com>
Message-ID: <83d5b9620709181515j45690722m137b5178d715154@mail.gmail.com>

As Dan said Xerox's Docucolor 242/252/262 would be the equivalent to
the KM C6500. The next step up would be X's Docucolor 5000 which they
consider to be their entry level "production" digital press.


-- 
Jeff Daghir
MPS Printing, Inc.
"The Ink & Paper People"
Madison, IN
www.mpsprinting.com
jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com

Joe said:
> What machine should I be looking for? I need consistant color quality,
> speed, and good off the glass. Which RIP would be the best choice?
From jdaghir at gmail.com  Tue Sep 18 18:15:12 2007
From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir)
Date: Tue Sep 18 18:16:41 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions
In-Reply-To: <46F00877.40400@fmtc.com>
References: <46F00877.40400@fmtc.com>
Message-ID: <83d5b9620709181515j45690722m137b5178d715154@mail.gmail.com>

As Dan said Xerox's Docucolor 242/252/262 would be the equivalent to
the KM C6500. The next step up would be X's Docucolor 5000 which they
consider to be their entry level "production" digital press.


-- 
Jeff Daghir
MPS Printing, Inc.
"The Ink & Paper People"
Madison, IN
www.mpsprinting.com
jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com

Joe said:
> What machine should I be looking for? I need consistant color quality,
> speed, and good off the glass. Which RIP would be the best choice?
From nt at andrewsblueprint.com  Tue Sep 18 15:21:03 2007
From: nt at andrewsblueprint.com (Nancy Thomsen)
Date: Tue Sep 18 18:30:16 2007
Subject: Visiting St. Maarten Re: [PrintOwners] Totally (off) but
	hey it's Monday
In-Reply-To: <c2b.1743e851.34207aed@aol.com>
References: <c2b.1743e851.34207aed@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20070918120427.02c0fdc8@mail.andrewsblueprint.com>


You left out snoring, sweating, cockroaches, flooded cars, watching 
the warehouse next door nearly come apart, the hotel ran out of food, 
the 24 hour trip home.  You also left out the beautiful weather after 
the storm finally passed, St. Barth's, Busby's Bar and beach, the 
interesting driving techniques, the jewelry I bought my Mom for next 
to nothing, the timeshare they moved us to at the top of the 
hill.   And Joel's hospitality.

Nancy



At 05:50 PM 9/17/2007, J S wrote:
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>Joel, of course I would be interested, but to be candid you do have 
>to tell these folks what happened the last time you had a conference 
>in St. Maarten....  Ok, it wasn't a huge hurricane, but when the 
>hotel manager at the cocktail party  announced he had good news and 
>bad news, and then proceeded to announce that the  drinks were free, 
>but the airport had just been closed and a hurricane named  "Lenny" 
>was headed our way and we would be stuck there for the duration 
>it  wasn't funny...
>
>It's not funny when you take 35-50 printers and evacuate to a 
>print  shop, with everyone sleeping on the floor, counters and every 
>nook and cranny of  your shop, that was not fun.... <g> Ok, it was a 
>bit funny, but only for a  few minutes until the reality set in that 
>we might all be spending 24-36 hours packed in the shop.... I 
>remember when I went outside during the height of the  hurricane to 
>have a cigarette and then suddenly stepping by accident into 
>a  two-foot deep drainage ditch that I didn't know was there.....
>
>I remember when someone offers me a slice of Spam  and I actually 
>accepted it and ate it... that is not fun. I  remember when the 
>hurricane was finally over and we returned to the hotel and  lifted 
>boulders out of the pool, and saw rocks piled 8 feet high that had 
>been  thrown through the windows of the ocean front condos on the 
>ground floor...  yes, I remember it well.... I remember drinking 
>scotch by the moonlight that  night like it was the last scotch on 
>earth and I ended up with a hangover so bad  the next morning that I 
>considered
>just placing my head beneath the front tire  of a car and begging 
>someone to drive over me! I also remember  carrying two buckets at a 
>time to the second floor of our room to dump in the  toilet so we 
>could flush the toilets...
>
>But most of all I remember listening to two local DJs who called up 
>a  couple staying at a hotel.... somehow they new this family had 
>two children and they, like so many others, were desperate to get 
>off the island and on there way home.... the DJ's pretended to be 
>calling from American Airlines and told the couple that they could 
>get them a flight out but the two children would have to  ride in 
>the baggage compartment.... Honest to God, this was all live and 
>absolutely true... well, at first, the couple objected strenuously 
>but the DJ  (pretending to be from American Airlines) acted very 
>sympathetic and told them  it was perfectly safe and pressurized, 
>and the couple still objected... but then  the DJ told them that 
>this might be the only flight for days and the only chance  to get 
>off the island.... and you know what? The couple actually reneged 
>and  finally decided (with thousands of people listening the 
>conversation) that Ok,  they would let their kids ride in the 
>baggage compartment..... it was a scene  right out of Candid Camera.
>
>Ok Joel, I will come down there and in fact I am coming down there 
>in November on a cruise, but will return any time you decide to have 
>another go at  it!  <g> Seriously, St. Maarten, both the Dutch and 
>the French side, is a beautiful island to visit any time of the year.
>
>John  Stewart




Nancy Thomsen
Andrews Blueprint, Inc.
269 Griffin St.
Salinas, CA 93901
831-424-0331
Fax 831-424-7485 Fax
www.andrewsblueprint.com

From robin at protypeonline.com  Tue Sep 18 18:40:25 2007
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Tue Sep 18 18:39:47 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Printers Plan (Kelly
Message-ID: <090DA2AD-9ACF-4C33-AA30-B87239E83081@protypeonline.com>

Don,
I agree with both Dave and Kelly -- first, when we started using PP  
we entered papers as we used/needed them. Secondly, I don't enter an  
entire catalog -- only the standard stuff or stock items and papers  
we use quite often. Saves a bunch of time and effort short-term and  
long-term. Mark's a super nice guy, really, but I can't agree with  
him that PS and PP are about the same! Sorry mark -- I'm bored and  
thought I would try to stir things up a bit. :))
robin

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com


From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Tue Sep 18 18:47:03 2007
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Tue Sep 18 18:46:49 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers Plan
In-Reply-To: <46F04D10.3000906@copycats.com>
References: <00d901c7fa33$a8402280$1400a8c0@donxp>	<003401c7fa34$408e4ee0$64fea8c0@DAVE>	<000d01c7fa37$492ba1d0$6601a8c0@corapurvine><98f5b19a0709181504v62794347of491e25abb6926@mail.gmail.com>
	<46F04D10.3000906@copycats.com>
Message-ID: <020901c7fa45$d57dfe40$6601a8c0@corapurvine>

Bob, Printer's Plan has a cash register tool that you can get for that
purpose. Look at their website and it will tell you all about it or you can
contact Tulin at 1-800-638-7526 X 101 and she will explain it to you and
might even let you try it to see if it will work for you, but you need to
talk to her about that. I don't have a need for it so didn't purchase it. 


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robert Stor
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:11 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Printers Plan

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I am looking at Printer's Plan.

One of my challenges is that one of our locations is a pretty busy and has a
bunch of small-ticket cash sales. Some people that I've spoke with run these
through a cash register that is parallel to the Printer's Plan software.

Has anyone found a good workable solution for my type of environment that
runs through PP? I'd like to capture the revenue category of all
transactions, not be prone to employee calculation errors, a have a good
cash accounting at the end of the day.

Thanks,
Bob Stor
Copycats
New York, NY
212-557-2111 x20
www.copycats.com

Michael Vogel wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> On 9/18/07, Cora Purvine <cpurvine1@cox.net> wrote:
>   
>> I also put
>> an initial after the paper so I know who I got it from at a glance.
>>     
>
>
> Why not use the paper vendor drop-down list?
>
>
>   
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From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com  Tue Sep 18 18:59:50 2007
From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake)
Date: Tue Sep 18 19:01:11 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Printers Plan (Kelly
In-Reply-To: <090DA2AD-9ACF-4C33-AA30-B87239E83081@protypeonline.com>
References: <090DA2AD-9ACF-4C33-AA30-B87239E83081@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAAB+oxICxx+tJptufjgp9ZQIBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>

With those compliments, you must be talking about another Mark. On the off
chance you meant me, sorry, I'm not going to get stirred up on whose opinion
is right or wrong (although you're wrong<g>). 


Mark Lake
PIP Printing
368 Jefferson Street
Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235
920.743.7370     920.743.4633 Fax
www.pipsturgeonbay.com      
Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com
 
To send a file to us, please use the link below
http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:40 PM
To: printowners printowners
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Printers Plan (Kelly

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Don,
I agree with both Dave and Kelly -- first, when we started using PP we
entered papers as we used/needed them. Secondly, I don't enter an entire
catalog -- only the standard stuff or stock items and papers we use quite
often. Saves a bunch of time and effort short-term and long-term. Mark's a
super nice guy, really, but I can't agree with him that PS and PP are about
the same! Sorry mark -- I'm bored and thought I would try to stir things up
a bit. :)) robin


From ssheers at sheergraphics.com  Tue Sep 18 19:38:42 2007
From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers)
Date: Tue Sep 18 19:33:45 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers Plan
In-Reply-To: <20070918221208.2170DB9AD95@rb.enter.net>
References: <20070918221208.2170DB9AD95@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <f8280bf499bde01c8746c8e5b1762f81@sheergraphics.com>

> I am looking for some feedback concerning the countless hours it will 
> take to put stock sizes and paper variations into Printers Plan.  I 
> just think that they should have made the program so you could upload 
> a price book from Xpedx or Parsons like you can with Print Smith.  
> Thanks.
In PrintPoint, start with inputting the 6 most popular papers and then 
clone ON-THE-FLY from within the estimate screen.

> Put them in as you need them. That way you are assured of a current, 
> up-to-date paper list.
In PrintPoint one can enter or clone a paper - right from the estimate 
screen. It's very easy to create a new paper item (or any other 
database/pre-press/post-press item etc.) ON-THE-FLY. Clone a paper, 
change the color from a pull-down menu, make other changes if needed 
and you're done. You're returned to the estimate screen which then 
contains the new paper.

> It's really not as endless a process as you might think. Specs can be
> copied and pasted from one paper to another, and you would have to
> change only the paper name and price.
In PrintPoint one does not have to copy and paste field contents. Just 
clone the paper from within the estimate. It's added to the database 
automatically.

> .... I also put an initial after the paper so I know who I got it from 
> at a glance.
> Why not use the paper vendor drop-down list?
In PrintPoint one can sort and find by name, mill, grade, weight, size 
dimension, color, wholesaler in any variation of sorting order.

> Just another reason that I said previously that no program will have
> everything you want. PS has that feature, PP doesn't. I don't think 1
> program is that much better than the other.
After nine years of using PrintPoint and watching many posts about PS 
and PP, We'll stick with PrintPoint. Windows, Macintosh - run both 
concurrently.


Please reply to Simon Sheers at:
<ssheers@sheergraphics.com>

Sheer Graphics Inc.
47 Chestnut Avenue,
Westmont, IL 60559-1127
Tel: (630) 654-4422
<http://www.sheergraphics.com>
Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more
From k_graham at hotmail.com  Tue Sep 18 23:07:26 2007
From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Sep 18 23:07:50 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions
References: <46F00877.40400@fmtc.com>
Message-ID: <BAY135-DAV10154EBA2CFC1CB9AE08CBEBB90@phx.gbl>

>
> I am getting no where with Danka, or the other Canon sales company. 
> Holding strong at 9.2 cents per click with 11 x 17 - 2 clicks. Told them 
> they were nuts!

We pay 10 cents a click but 11x17 is still 10 cents a click, but we are up 
in northern Canada in what you would consider a remote location. Even so we 
have a Xerox tech with factory training - unlike the Ikon crowd that gets 
their training from someone from the Edmonton that got training probably 
from someone in Ontario that maybe got training from Konica Minolta.

Black is 1.25 cents a click and we run more black than color because of 
mixed originals and short run card orders.I much prefer to run card through 
the color copier slow for black than through a fast black white machine.

>
> What machine should I be looking for? I need consistant color quality, 
> speed, and good off the glass.

One advantage of the Xerox 240 - 250, 242, 252, 260 is so much is self serve 
which greatly reduces the number of service calls
you install Toner, Drums, Waste Receptacles, Fuser Assembly is drop in, 
Xerox wants to provide the fuser assembly but after our 1st one got a minor 
nick they left it. I said I would use it if I had new stocks to try out so 
as not to ruin the good Fuser. They also provide a separate corona type wire 
that attaches to the black drum - I changed this today when the machine told 
me to.

Both my Xerox  machines were off a bit on copy length where 17" was printing 
16.875 but the technician adjusted both exactly upon my complaint.

> Which RIP would be the best choice?
After the problem with the Ikon 500/internal Fiery I took no chances and got 
the External Fiery mainly because of the Fiery on the XP12's which we kept, 
plus the Fiery on IR105 and IR7200 black machines. This way we use had 
Command Work Station to control all. However we were able to get demo units 
so saved a bit. One unit had a 3 hole punch/stapler unit, the other none - I 
just think about 7 thousand for a booklet finisher is too much, better to 
buy offline unit that does heavier books and lasts through 2 or 3 machines, 
unless of course you do booklets all day within the spec's of the online 
finisher.

We found the Fiery's both allowed installation of a monitor keyboard which 
has been handy. If the Fiery comes with Pitstop, imposition, and hot folders 
it can have a monitor, keyboard installed.

The only difference between 240 and 250 models is speed of the 8.5x11 size, 
the 11x17 runs at same speed. We ended up with 1 of each because thats the 
demo models that were available, we were about 40,000.00  complete, each. 
Another interesting possibility would be their business color equivilent but 
I don't know about its variable data or complex file capability.

Also we save files to the RIP using Fiery Free Form and then send Variable 
Data like numbering over separately. However I sure would like to see a few 
comparisons with Creo. both for variable data and for color, like most here 
I think EFI needs competition and if I had to pay full price for either RIP 
then I probably would have looked harder at the Creo.

It's funny but unlike Dan we've found our 240 and 250 to run like the Doc 12 
for calibrating which is to say maybe weekly(for the Gradation adjust). What 
I suggest is do the copier Gradation adjust weekly. This is separate from a 
RIP calibration and must be done before a RIP calibration which I would do 
after a technicians visit. The RIP calibration should not be necessary again 
as long as the copier doesn't change which is what you are doing by doing 
the copier Gradation adjustment.

All color copiers have some sort of Gradation adjustment, separate from RIP 
calibration, this is Xerox's gradation adjustment  http://tinyurl.com/26qn23

Another plus with Xerox is the best support site in the business and toll 
free tech support, though it might be to India.

One peculiarity with Xerox is it claims not to duplex coated paper while the 
Ikon 500 claimed to be able to. We found with the Xerox using Futura Gloss 
80# text we were able to run 16,000 copies without problem. This was 
something like 80 of 200 page books. We specified heavy1 card instead of 
coated and the duplex worked superb, better than results when we were 
running the Ikon 500.

Of side interest, many years ago we signed for a 6 month  trial on a 1070 
Xerox - great black and white machine analog copier but only letter, legal. 
However severely over priced, we stopped at the trial rather than sign for 5 
years. But the one big job we were counting on came in the last week and the 
machine broke and Xerox said with only 5 days to go they couldn't be 
bothered to send in a service man. I was many years before I allowed Xerox 
in the door and that was  so I could trial their copier and return it. 
However the 2nd time at this tactic I bought the Xerox Doc 12.

Also here the Xerox sales manager is the one that I deal with and I find 
much less run a round than going through sales people. Use your clout, tell 
Xerox the mayor is calling.

> Thanks in advance for re-posting and re-answering.
>
> Joe Dominick

Good Luck

Ken Graham
CommunityPrinters.com
250-782-7108
Dawson Creek BC Canada
V1G 2G5




From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com  Wed Sep 19 00:51:02 2007
From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com)
Date: Wed Sep 19 00:51:18 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers Plan
Message-ID: <cdc.1c2d4532.342204b6@aol.com>

Bob you bring up a good subject there.  I am also thinking of setting  up two 
systems at the front counter to calculate even the small  transactions.  
 
I just received my PP & never though of asking Tulin or any of my  buddies 
from the conference if I can also use the system for all my Fedex  shipping we 
do.  Any help on that will do.
 
Thanks
 
 
Tommy Melendez
 

Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
3612 E. Tremont  Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
NAQP Member  #1031539
718.904.7760
718.892.2315 Fax
_www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) 




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From nelsonind at sbcglobal.net  Wed Sep 19 02:08:47 2007
From: nelsonind at sbcglobal.net (Curtis Nelson)
Date: Wed Sep 19 02:10:03 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] re: 35K full color booklet quote (way too big for me)
Message-ID: <46F0BCEF.30305@sbcglobal.net>

I hope this is an acceptable use of the list.
This is way too big for me.
Can anyone be competitive on the following job?
Any suggestions?
I would normally pass on something this big....

I have the PDF too, but didn't attach it [lots of text, multi-colored 
borders (which bleed) and small full color photos everywhere].
This is all 4/4 with an aqueous coating.
It has 3 different languages in it (English, Spanish and Vietnamese), 
but is sequentially numbered in English.

> Quantity: 35,000 booklets
>  
> Pages:  72 pages text + 4 pages cover (78 total)

I will clarify 39 sheets total 4/4 8.5" x 11"
(essentially 20 sheets of 11" x 17") 4/4

>  
> Cover:  4 pages prints 2 sided 5/5 (11 by 17 with bleeds, folds to 8.5 
> by 11)
>  
> Dimensions:  8/5" by 11" finished booklet size.
>  
> Originals:  In Design file (in reader-sequences pages) and pdf for 
> reference.  PDF is separate attachment.  Printers pagination software 
> will need to adjust properly for creep and thrust based on thickness 
> of chosen text paper. 
>  
> Stock:  Cover; 95# Top Kote Dull Text or Equivalent
>             Text:  80# TopKote Dull Text or Equivalent
>  
> Colors:  Four color process plus satin aqueous coating (5/5) with full 
> bleeds.
>  
> Proof:  Color proofs and mockup
>  
> Bindery:  Score, fold, saddle stitch, trim and box in 1/2 size boxes 
> with quantity on box.
>  
> Delivery Date:  3 weeks from acceptance of proofs.
>  
> File Type:  Files created in inDesign for Mac.  All fonts and pictures 
> provided.
>  
> Please quote pricing to include shipping and production time to San 
> Jose, CA 95124.

You are welcome to e-mail me directly at nelsonind@sbcglobal.net
and         curtisn@wymac.com   (I'm now a Wymac mortgage loan agent 
from 9AM - 4PM).
I can accept personal (my business) e-mail only if it passes through 
their server during those hours.
That is fine with them (security reasons).
thank you,
Curtis Nelson
Nelson Industries - copying, printing and laminating
San Jose, CA
408-452-0116      This forwards to my cell phone if you have questions. 
From pressexpress at bfm.org  Wed Sep 19 05:43:21 2007
From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Wed Sep 19 05:44:45 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Publisher to pdf to printerspread
Message-ID: <44D82B56-EF57-4873-B63B-F61369592906@bfm.org>

I have a 24 page 8.5x11 Punisher, er, ah Publisher file.

I need to print it as a saddle stitched booklet via color copier on  
11x17 paper, fold and saddle stitch.

I am creating pdf's out of the Publisher file, bringing it into  
inDesign or Quark to do the page spreads on an 11x17 document like  
page 24 and 1  -  2 and 23, etc...

Is there a better way to do this?  Is there a way to get either a mac  
or pc to do the page impositions via a print driver directly out of  
Acrobat or Publisher?

Greg

Greg Weinfurter
Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org




From acepm2 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 19 06:08:52 2007
From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas)
Date: Wed Sep 19 06:09:06 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Publisher to pdf to printerspread
In-Reply-To: <44D82B56-EF57-4873-B63B-F61369592906@bfm.org>
References: <44D82B56-EF57-4873-B63B-F61369592906@bfm.org>
Message-ID: <c2778de30709190308r5e2231ecye983cbb8aa0c3b61@mail.gmail.com>

Greg,

You don't say what version of Publisher you have. Why don't you just use the
tools that came with your color RIP to do the imposition? If that is not
available, why don't you use the "create booklet" feature built right into
Publisher?

This is why I love Publisher files. Nobody wants to work with them. It's
really not that difficult once you take a few hours to understand how
Publisher really works. (I don't mean this as a slam... just make it do what
it is supposed to do.)

Thom Gulyas
ACE Printing & Mailing
www.acepm.com






On 9/19/07, Greg Weinfurter <pressexpress@bfm.org> wrote:
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I have a 24 page 8.5x11 Punisher, er, ah Publisher file.
>
> I need to print it as a saddle stitched booklet via color copier on
> 11x17 paper, fold and saddle stitch.
>
> I am creating pdf's out of the Publisher file, bringing it into
> inDesign or Quark to do the page spreads on an 11x17 document like
> page 24 and 1  -  2 and 23, etc...
>
> Is there a better way to do this?  Is there a way to get either a mac
> or pc to do the page impositions via a print driver directly out of
> Acrobat or Publisher?
>
> Greg
>
> Greg Weinfurter
> Press Express
> 1869 N. Stevens St.
> Rhinelander, WI 54501
> Phone 715-362-2828
> Fax 715-369-2828
> info@pressexpress.org
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>


-- 
Thom Gulyas
ACE Printing & Mailing
Berlin, Maryland 21811
www.acepm.com
From pressexpress at bfm.org  Wed Sep 19 07:21:13 2007
From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Wed Sep 19 07:21:59 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Publisher to pdf to printerspread
In-Reply-To: <c2778de30709190308r5e2231ecye983cbb8aa0c3b61@mail.gmail.com>
References: <44D82B56-EF57-4873-B63B-F61369592906@bfm.org>
	<c2778de30709190308r5e2231ecye983cbb8aa0c3b61@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <709292D2-7C1A-4E35-BF85-9580F34590A6@bfm.org>

Good morning Thom,

No rip with the Canon ir3200 that I am aware of.  I believe my set up  
is a stand alone machine, just plugged into ethernet and we print  
direct.

I found the feature in Publisher 2007 (sorry about the bash, just an  
ole mac guy).  Got it to print, seemed slower than printing from  
inDesign.  Plus some photos turned out grainy or pixiled.  Not  
visible on screen but noticable when comparing the Publisher printed  
doc versus the Quark with placed pdf's.  Graduates were stepped from  
Publisher as opposed to smooth from the Adobe/Quark route.  Any idea?

Also, I have another document, actually forty (40) one page Publisher  
documents that I need to create into one 40 page book.  Again, my  
mind set is to convert to pdf and build in Acrobat.  Any easy trick  
via Publisher to eliminate repeating the same steps 40 times?

Thank you for your advise.

Greg


On Sep 19, 2007, at 5:08 AM, Thom Gulyas wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Greg,
>
> You don't say what version of Publisher you have. Why don't you  
> just use the
> tools that came with your color RIP to do the imposition? If that  
> is not
> available, why don't you use the "create booklet" feature built  
> right into
> Publisher?
>
> This is why I love Publisher files. Nobody wants to work with them.  
> It's
> really not that difficult once you take a few hours to understand how
> Publisher really works. (I don't mean this as a slam... just make  
> it do what
> it is supposed to do.)
>
> Thom Gulyas
> ACE Printing & Mailing
> www.acepm.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/19/07, Greg Weinfurter <pressexpress@bfm.org> wrote:
>>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> I have a 24 page 8.5x11 Punisher, er, ah Publisher file.
>>
>> I need to print it as a saddle stitched booklet via color copier on
>> 11x17 paper, fold and saddle stitch.
>>
>> I am creating pdf's out of the Publisher file, bringing it into
>> inDesign or Quark to do the page spreads on an 11x17 document like
>> page 24 and 1  -  2 and 23, etc...
>>
>> Is there a better way to do this?  Is there a way to get either a mac
>> or pc to do the page impositions via a print driver directly out of
>> Acrobat or Publisher?
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> Greg Weinfurter
>> Press Express
>> 1869 N. Stevens St.
>> Rhinelander, WI 54501
>> Phone 715-362-2828
>> Fax 715-369-2828
>> info@pressexpress.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> PrintOwners Discussion List
>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Thom Gulyas
> ACE Printing & Mailing
> Berlin, Maryland 21811
> www.acepm.com
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners

Greg Weinfurter
Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org




From eric at digi-print.com  Wed Sep 19 08:22:21 2007
From: eric at digi-print.com (Eric Weber)
Date: Wed Sep 19 08:22:47 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Publisher to pdf to printerspread
In-Reply-To: <709292D2-7C1A-4E35-BF85-9580F34590A6@bfm.org>
References: <44D82B56-EF57-4873-B63B-F61369592906@bfm.org>
	<c2778de30709190308r5e2231ecye983cbb8aa0c3b61@mail.gmail.com>
	<709292D2-7C1A-4E35-BF85-9580F34590A6@bfm.org>
Message-ID: <p06240519c316c4082f19@[192.168.0.80]>

At 6:21 AM -0500 9/19/07, Greg Weinfurter wrote:
>   Again, my mind set is to convert to pdf and build in Acrobat.  Any 
>easy trick via Publisher to eliminate repeating the same steps 40 
>times?
>
>Thank you for your advise.
>
>Greg

Get this:

http://www.quite.com/imposing/


It may seem a bit pricey, but worth every penny. It has been 
recommended on this list many, many times.

And this product does so much more than imposing for a book. I think 
you can download a 30 day trial.

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From k_graham at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 19 09:53:51 2007
From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed Sep 19 09:54:48 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Publisher to pdf to printerspread
References: <44D82B56-EF57-4873-B63B-F61369592906@bfm.org><c2778de30709190308r5e2231ecye983cbb8aa0c3b61@mail.gmail.com>
	<709292D2-7C1A-4E35-BF85-9580F34590A6@bfm.org>
Message-ID: <BAY135-DAV2A9ECB64D07A9F514EFB2EBB90@phx.gbl>

> No rip with the Canon ir3200 that I am aware of.  I believe my set up  is 
> a stand alone machine, just plugged into ethernet and we print  direct.
>
> I found the feature in Publisher 2007 (sorry about the bash, just an  ole 
> mac guy).  Got it to print, seemed slower than printing from  inDesign. 
> Plus some photos turned out grainy or pixiled.  Not  visible on screen but 
> noticable when comparing the Publisher printed  doc versus the Quark with 
> placed pdf's.  Graduates were stepped from  Publisher as opposed to smooth 
> from the Adobe/Quark route.  Any idea?
>

You may find that sending multiple copies of microsoft documents causes the 
system to download the same file several times from the computer. A solution 
is to send the file once then using Command Work Station change the quantity 
to desired amount on the file that is still present on the RIP and tell it 
to print the balance. I assume the internal RIP is a EFI Fiery RIP. If its 
not a Fiery RIP it might be referred to as a mailbox as is on our IR6000, 
you print a copy to that then set quantity and print from the mailbox file.

There are also settings in Publisher for quality of print, make sure you are 
at highest quality.

Ken Graham
CommunityPrinters.com
250-782-7108
Dawson Creek BC Canada
V1G 2G5



From imageproprint at qwest.net  Wed Sep 19 11:46:58 2007
From: imageproprint at qwest.net (ImagePro)
Date: Wed Sep 19 11:47:49 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers Plan
In-Reply-To: <46F04D10.3000906@copycats.com>
Message-ID: <003401c7fad4$50415c60$6b00000a@domain1.local>

Bob,

We use Printer's Plan and use the Point of Sale module of Printer's Plan
called Quick Sale to record the small walk-in customer onesee, twoosee kind
of work like self-serve copies, etc. It works very well. It is integrated
into Printer's Plan and drives a cash drawer and receipt printer. 

Feel free to call me and I can give you more details about how we use this
feature.

Mark Rowley
ImagePro Printing & Copying, Inc.
95 West Harding Ave.
Cedar City, UT 84720
435-586-1105
435-586-0499 fax
mark@imageproprint.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-
> bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robert Stor
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 4:11 PM
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Printers Plan
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> I am looking at Printer's Plan.
> 
> One of my challenges is that one of our locations is a pretty busy and
> has a bunch of small-ticket cash sales. Some people that I've spoke with
> run these through a cash register that is parallel to the Printer's Plan
> software.
> 
> Has anyone found a good workable solution for my type of environment
> that runs through PP? I'd like to capture the revenue category of all
> transactions, not be prone to employee calculation errors, a have a good
> cash accounting at the end of the day.
> 
> Thanks,
> Bob Stor
> Copycats
> New York, NY
> 212-557-2111 x20
> www.copycats.com
> 
> Michael Vogel wrote:
> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> >
> > On 9/18/07, Cora Purvine <cpurvine1@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I also put
> >> an initial after the paper so I know who I got it from at a glance.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Why not use the paper vendor drop-down list?
> >
> >
> >
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From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Wed Sep 19 15:49:42 2007
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Wed Sep 19 15:48:54 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon ir550
In-Reply-To: <003401c7fad4$50415c60$6b00000a@domain1.local>
References: <003401c7fad4$50415c60$6b00000a@domain1.local>
Message-ID: <19EC3261-2526-4B47-A51C-EE7DD5D754A0@falconprintandcopy.com>

If anyone is interested in a Canon ir550 bw copier I'm moving one,  
fast.  It has 2.6 million copies on it which means it has a lot of  
life left.  Network print, collate, staple.  Bets offer w/pick up.

Regards,

Borzou


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www.falconprintandcopy.com
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134



From mail at myprinter.biz  Wed Sep 19 16:02:05 2007
From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz)
Date: Wed Sep 19 16:02:11 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou (was Canon ir550)
In-Reply-To: <19EC3261-2526-4B47-A51C-EE7DD5D754A0@falconprintandcopy.com>
Message-ID: <BEEIIPIOGLPLKIAABOLAGENECPAA.mail@myprinter.biz>

I don't know if anybody else is experiencing this, but all emails I get from
Borzou - and pretty much Borzou, only - come with blank bodies and text file
attachments.

In order to read what he wants to say, I've usually got to open more than
one text file to find the intended message.

I 'spect it's NOT something I'm doing wrong, but don't know for sure.

Anybody else experiencing that?

Tx.

Dan
Sir Speedy Printing Center
5845 Hollywood Boulevard
Hollywood, FL 33021
t 954.962.1309
f 954.962.1366
dan@myprinter.biz
www.myprinter.biz



-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 3:50 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon ir550


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****



From sos at olympus.net  Wed Sep 19 16:08:09 2007
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Wed Sep 19 16:08:20 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon ir550
References: <003401c7fad4$50415c60$6b00000a@domain1.local>
	<19EC3261-2526-4B47-A51C-EE7DD5D754A0@falconprintandcopy.com>
Message-ID: <023101c7faf8$cce68000$0300a8c0@DANIEL>

 If anyone is interested in a Canon ir550 bw copier I'm moving one,  
> fast.  It has 2.6 million copies on it which means it has a lot of  
> life left.  Network print, collate, staple.  Best offer w/pick up.
====================

If you want someone to pick it up, you might mention where you are.
Hint hint.

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860

From yaakov at sparkdirectny.com  Wed Sep 19 16:11:56 2007
From: yaakov at sparkdirectny.com (Yaakov Reshef)
Date: Wed Sep 19 16:12:14 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou (was Canon ir550)
Message-ID: <E6E085F51F901F479BEBD4C3D4D183700F6B5B@server1.DISCNYC.COM>

I have the same - it is not you, it is Borzou.

Yaakov Reshef
SPARK Direct * Kwik Kopy Printing
Marketing * Printing * Solutions

7 East 37th Street-NYC-10016
Tel:  212-328-2001
Fax: 212-328-2007(new number)
yaakov@Sparkdirectny.com 
www.sparkdirectny.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of
mail@myprinter.biz
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 4:02 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou (was Canon ir550)

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I don't know if anybody else is experiencing this, but all emails I get
from
Borzou - and pretty much Borzou, only - come with blank bodies and text
file
attachments.

In order to read what he wants to say, I've usually got to open more
than
one text file to find the intended message.

I 'spect it's NOT something I'm doing wrong, but don't know for sure.

Anybody else experiencing that?

Tx.

Dan
Sir Speedy Printing Center
5845 Hollywood Boulevard
Hollywood, FL 33021
t 954.962.1309
f 954.962.1366
dan@myprinter.biz
www.myprinter.biz


From ron at printingconcepts.com  Wed Sep 19 16:16:55 2007
From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart)
Date: Wed Sep 19 16:17:06 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Morgana Digifold
Message-ID: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHGEDGJEAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>

We purchased this machine at the show ($28K) and it was installed today.
Makereadies for a variety of folds are about 1 minute.  While this machine
is pretty slow, the Makereadies are so fast that on short runs it will
certainly beat our current methods by a great margin.  We have a full
compliment of ways to score and fold including letterpress and a Rosback 240
scorer, and I think this will take a lot of work away from them as well as
handle our digital stuff.  Practically no spoilage if any.




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From ron at printingconcepts.com  Wed Sep 19 16:16:55 2007
From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart)
Date: Wed Sep 19 16:17:24 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions
In-Reply-To: <BAY135-DAV10154EBA2CFC1CB9AE08CBEBB90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHIEDGJEAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>

We do have our KMc6500 up and running the the quality is very good, and as a
mid-size commercial printer ($6MM) we have to have pretty high standards.
This machine has register controls which I do not believe the Xerox 240 or
242 does.  I think the quality off of a 240 is good, but, we have the
requirement that our pieces must cut out well and register so tri-folds
don't look like they were printed at Kinkos.

We looked at the Xerox 5000 which has register, but is well over $100K and
has a high gloss finish to the toner which our salespeople hated.



-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of
k_graham@hotmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:07 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

>
> I am getting no where with Danka, or the other Canon sales company.
> Holding strong at 9.2 cents per click with 11 x 17 - 2 clicks. Told them
> they were nuts!

We pay 10 cents a click but 11x17 is still 10 cents a click, but we are up
in northern Canada in what you would consider a remote location. Even so we
have a Xerox tech with factory training - unlike the Ikon crowd that gets
their training from someone from the Edmonton that got training probably
from someone in Ontario that maybe got training from Konica Minolta.

Black is 1.25 cents a click and we run more black than color because of
mixed originals and short run card orders.I much prefer to run card through
the color copier slow for black than through a fast black white machine.

>
> What machine should I be looking for? I need consistant color quality,
> speed, and good off the glass.

One advantage of the Xerox 240 - 250, 242, 252, 260 is so much is self serve
which greatly reduces the number of service calls
you install Toner, Drums, Waste Receptacles, Fuser Assembly is drop in,
Xerox wants to provide the fuser assembly but after our 1st one got a minor
nick they left it. I said I would use it if I had new stocks to try out so
as not to ruin the good Fuser. They also provide a separate corona type wire
that attaches to the black drum - I changed this today when the machine told
me to.

Both my Xerox  machines were off a bit on copy length where 17" was printing
16.875 but the technician adjusted both exactly upon my complaint.

> Which RIP would be the best choice?
After the problem with the Ikon 500/internal Fiery I took no chances and got
the External Fiery mainly because of the Fiery on the XP12's which we kept,
plus the Fiery on IR105 and IR7200 black machines. This way we use had
Command Work Station to control all. However we were able to get demo units
so saved a bit. One unit had a 3 hole punch/stapler unit, the other none - I
just think about 7 thousand for a booklet finisher is too much, better to
buy offline unit that does heavier books and lasts through 2 or 3 machines,
unless of course you do booklets all day within the spec's of the online
finisher.

We found the Fiery's both allowed installation of a monitor keyboard which
has been handy. If the Fiery comes with Pitstop, imposition, and hot folders
it can have a monitor, keyboard installed.

The only difference between 240 and 250 models is speed of the 8.5x11 size,
the 11x17 runs at same speed. We ended up with 1 of each because thats the
demo models that were available, we were about 40,000.00  complete, each.
Another interesting possibility would be their business color equivilent but
I don't know about its variable data or complex file capability.

Also we save files to the RIP using Fiery Free Form and then send Variable
Data like numbering over separately. However I sure would like to see a few
comparisons with Creo. both for variable data and for color, like most here
I think EFI needs competition and if I had to pay full price for either RIP
then I probably would have looked harder at the Creo.

It's funny but unlike Dan we've found our 240 and 250 to run like the Doc 12
for calibrating which is to say maybe weekly(for the Gradation adjust). What
I suggest is do the copier Gradation adjust weekly. This is separate from a
RIP calibration and must be done before a RIP calibration which I would do
after a technicians visit. The RIP calibration should not be necessary again
as long as the copier doesn't change which is what you are doing by doing
the copier Gradation adjustment.

All color copiers have some sort of Gradation adjustment, separate from RIP
calibration, this is Xerox's gradation adjustment  http://tinyurl.com/26qn23

Another plus with Xerox is the best support site in the business and toll
free tech support, though it might be to India.

One peculiarity with Xerox is it claims not to duplex coated paper while the
Ikon 500 claimed to be able to. We found with the Xerox using Futura Gloss
80# text we were able to run 16,000 copies without problem. This was
something like 80 of 200 page books. We specified heavy1 card instead of
coated and the duplex worked superb, better than results when we were
running the Ikon 500.

Of side interest, many years ago we signed for a 6 month  trial on a 1070
Xerox - great black and white machine analog copier but only letter, legal.
However severely over priced, we stopped at the trial rather than sign for 5
years. But the one big job we were counting on came in the last week and the
machine broke and Xerox said with only 5 days to go they couldn't be
bothered to send in a service man. I was many years before I allowed Xerox
in the door and that was  so I could trial their copier and return it.
However the 2nd time at this tactic I bought the Xerox Doc 12.

Also here the Xerox sales manager is the one that I deal with and I find
much less run a round than going through sales people. Use your clout, tell
Xerox the mayor is calling.

> Thanks in advance for re-posting and re-answering.
>
> Joe Dominick

Good Luck

Ken Graham
CommunityPrinters.com
250-782-7108
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From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Wed Sep 19 16:18:51 2007
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Wed Sep 19 16:18:36 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou (was Canon ir550)
In-Reply-To: <E6E085F51F901F479BEBD4C3D4D183700F6B5B@server1.DISCNYC.COM>
References: <E6E085F51F901F479BEBD4C3D4D183700F6B5B@server1.DISCNYC.COM>
Message-ID: <00e701c7fafa$4ba08ed0$6601a8c0@corapurvine>

Mine come in the same way from him???? 


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Yaakov Reshef
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 3:12 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou (was Canon ir550)

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I have the same - it is not you, it is Borzou.

Yaakov Reshef
SPARK Direct * Kwik Kopy Printing
Marketing * Printing * Solutions

7 East 37th Street-NYC-10016
Tel:  212-328-2001
Fax: 212-328-2007(new number)
yaakov@Sparkdirectny.com
www.sparkdirectny.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of
mail@myprinter.biz
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 4:02 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou (was Canon ir550)

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I don't know if anybody else is experiencing this, but all emails I get
from
Borzou - and pretty much Borzou, only - come with blank bodies and text
file
attachments.

In order to read what he wants to say, I've usually got to open more
than
one text file to find the intended message.

I 'spect it's NOT something I'm doing wrong, but don't know for sure.

Anybody else experiencing that?

Tx.

Dan
Sir Speedy Printing Center
5845 Hollywood Boulevard
Hollywood, FL 33021
t 954.962.1309
f 954.962.1366
dan@myprinter.biz
www.myprinter.biz


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From bnjbriggs at juno.com  Wed Sep 19 16:35:26 2007
From: bnjbriggs at juno.com (bnjbriggs@juno.com)
Date: Wed Sep 19 16:37:42 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou (was Canon ir550)
Message-ID: <20070919.163526.28638.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>

So Borzou, if you're reading this, please take the gentle hint. Put your message in the body of your e-mail message, and not as attachments, and also your signature should include a location. 
Bob Briggs, Evangel Printers, Bucksport, ME

_____________________________________________________________
You don't have to do it on your own. Click here for great parenting help!
http://3rdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iihAtlhbyWno5Rmo8T6hbqbykLHFdINlqvVgSHf41mKogojYI/
From rstor at copycats.com  Wed Sep 19 17:10:00 2007
From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor)
Date: Wed Sep 19 17:12:03 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou (was Canon ir550)
In-Reply-To: <20070919.163526.28638.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20070919.163526.28638.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <46F19028.3050104@copycats.com>

I see his messages as regular text in the email. There are attachements, 
but I have not opened them.

I use Thunderbird.

Regards,
Bob Stor
Copycats
New York, NY
212-557-2111 x20
www.copycats.com

bnjbriggs@juno.com wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> So Borzou, if you're reading this, please take the gentle hint. Put your message in the body of your e-mail message, and not as attachments, and also your signature should include a location. 
> Bob Briggs, Evangel Printers, Bucksport, ME
>
> _____________________________________________________________
> You don't have to do it on your own. Click here for great parenting help!
> http://3rdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iihAtlhbyWno5Rmo8T6hbqbykLHFdINlqvVgSHf41mKogojYI/
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>   
From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Wed Sep 19 17:25:52 2007
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Wed Sep 19 17:26:11 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou (was Canon ir550)
In-Reply-To: <46F19028.3050104@copycats.com>
References: <20070919.163526.28638.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>
	<46F19028.3050104@copycats.com>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0709191425k344bf6f1t352f2168d4c5060a@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/19/07, Robert Stor <rstor@copycats.com> wrote:
>
> I see his messages as regular text in the email.


I do as well, though I haven't got a clue where he's from because he
doesn't include the required-by-PrintOwners-rules (where's Bob's
oversight?) complete signature.

On the other hand, this same thing happens to me with Mark Lake's
posts; I get them only as text attachments.


 --
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com
From si at ria.net  Wed Sep 19 17:28:55 2007
From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton)
Date: Wed Sep 19 17:30:59 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou and TedG
In-Reply-To: <46F19028.3050104@copycats.com>
References: <20070919.163526.28638.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>
	<46F19028.3050104@copycats.com>
Message-ID: <200709192130.l8JLUkH22977@plus50.host4u.net>

At 05:10 PM 9/19/2007, Bob Stor wrote:

>I see his messages as regular text in the email.

No problems with Borzou's email formatting here, either
(using Eudora 7.1.0.9 on a PC). As previously suggested,
it would help if Borzou included a city and state location
in his email signature.

The ones that show up funky here are from Ted Gelletly.
All the carriage returns are stripped away so his messages
show up as one continuous paragraph wrapped at the edge
of the page.

Doug


--
Doug Shelton
Superior Impressions, Inc.
Toledo, Ohio
mailto:si@ria.net 

From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com  Wed Sep 19 17:33:58 2007
From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake)
Date: Wed Sep 19 17:35:31 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou (was Canon ir550)
In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0709191425k344bf6f1t352f2168d4c5060a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070919.163526.28638.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com><46F19028.3050104@copycats.com>
	<98f5b19a0709191425k344bf6f1t352f2168d4c5060a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAADFzOiTcRVVHkInrPC1NvOwBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>

Does anyone else get my emails as attachments? If it were something on my
end, wouldn't I get it as attachments also? Just curious. I also get
messages from Borzou as attachments.

Mark Lake
PIP Printing
368 Jefferson Street
Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235
920.743.7370     920.743.4633 Fax
www.pipsturgeonbay.com      
Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com
 
To send a file to us, please use the link below
http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 4:26 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou (was Canon ir550)

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

On 9/19/07, Robert Stor <rstor@copycats.com> wrote:
>
> I see his messages as regular text in the email.


I do as well, though I haven't got a clue where he's from because he doesn't
include the required-by-PrintOwners-rules (where's Bob's
oversight?) complete signature.

On the other hand, this same thing happens to me with Mark Lake's posts; I
get them only as text attachments.


 --
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com
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From sgfinke at fuse.net  Wed Sep 19 17:54:17 2007
From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott Finke)
Date: Wed Sep 19 17:43:19 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou (was Canon ir550)
In-Reply-To: <20070919.163526.28638.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20070919.163526.28638.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <02A22783-EF45-4E3B-AE9C-569A115C85CC@fuse.net>

Everyone's emails come through the same here. Mac Mail.

Borzou is from Texas, I clicked on his website once. It has a cool  
Van Gogh / printing graphic. But yes, Borzou, use the signature line  
like the rest of us...




Gail Finke
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc.	
8630 Winton Road
Cincinnati, OH 45231
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
(513) 522-2679
Fax 522-2692
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
info@brentwood-printing.com
www.brentwood-printing.com




On Sep 19, 2007, at 8:35 PM, bnjbriggs@juno.com wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> So Borzou, if you're reading this, please take the gentle hint. Put  
> your message in the body of your e-mail message, and not as  
> attachments, and also your signature should include a location.
> Bob Briggs, Evangel Printers, Bucksport, ME
>
> _____________________________________________________________
> You don't have to do it on your own. Click here for great parenting  
> help!
> http://3rdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/ 
> Ioyw6iihAtlhbyWno5Rmo8T6hbqbykLHFdINlqvVgSHf41mKogojYI/
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>

From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Wed Sep 19 17:45:18 2007
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Wed Sep 19 17:44:27 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou and TedG
In-Reply-To: <200709192130.l8JLUkH22977@plus50.host4u.net>
References: <20070919.163526.28638.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>
	<46F19028.3050104@copycats.com>
	<200709192130.l8JLUkH22977@plus50.host4u.net>
Message-ID: <8993F74C-4A70-4FAC-8F9A-3818E08EEC7A@falconprintandcopy.com>

Apologies on all counts.

The only attachment that is ever in my email is my logo.  I've  
deleted everything in this email except straight text, and would be  
highly surprised if it caused some kind of problem.  Let me know if  
this one comes through clean.

Also, Ted, what program are you using?  I'm just using Mail, and as I  
imagine many of you are using Macs, I'm surprised so many are having  
this problem.  I've been contemplating the switch to Entourage for  
sometime (I don't like thunderbird), and it may be time to move on that.

In any case, let me know how this one comes through, and I'll format  
everything this way.  Most of my clients don't seem to be having a  
problem with my emails, but every once in a while I'll get something  
about question marks after periods.  Not instead of, after.  I'll see  
if I can do any more research on my end.  It may just be the logo  
causing the whole thing to become an attachment as printweb converts  
it to text and distributes it.

Also I didn't know about the address rule.  I'm not hiding from you  
guys.

Regards,

Borzou

Falcon Print and Copy
1921 Gallows Road
Vienna, VA 22182

www.falconprintandcopy.com
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134



From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Wed Sep 19 17:49:53 2007
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Wed Sep 19 17:49:38 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou (was Canon ir550)
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAADFzOiTcRVVHkInrPC1NvOwBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>
References: <20070919.163526.28638.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com><46F19028.3050104@copycats.com><98f5b19a0709191425k344bf6f1t352f2168d4c5060a@mail.gmail.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAADFzOiTcRVVHkInrPC1NvOwBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>
Message-ID: <000801c7fb07$02deb0c0$6601a8c0@corapurvine>

I get yours OK Mark. I am using Outlook and XP. 


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lake
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 4:34 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou (was Canon ir550)

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Does anyone else get my emails as attachments? If it were something on my
end, wouldn't I get it as attachments also? Just curious. I also get
messages from Borzou as attachments.

Mark Lake
PIP Printing
368 Jefferson Street
Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235
920.743.7370     920.743.4633 Fax
www.pipsturgeonbay.com      
Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com
 
To send a file to us, please use the link below
http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 4:26 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou (was Canon ir550)

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

On 9/19/07, Robert Stor <rstor@copycats.com> wrote:
>
> I see his messages as regular text in the email.


I do as well, though I haven't got a clue where he's from because he doesn't
include the required-by-PrintOwners-rules (where's Bob's
oversight?) complete signature.

On the other hand, this same thing happens to me with Mark Lake's posts; I
get them only as text attachments.


 --
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com
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From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Wed Sep 19 17:51:34 2007
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Wed Sep 19 17:51:34 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou and TedG
In-Reply-To: <8993F74C-4A70-4FAC-8F9A-3818E08EEC7A@falconprintandcopy.com>
References: <20070919.163526.28638.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com><46F19028.3050104@copycats.com><200709192130.l8JLUkH22977@plus50.host4u.net>
	<8993F74C-4A70-4FAC-8F9A-3818E08EEC7A@falconprintandcopy.com>
Message-ID: <000901c7fb07$3f7d5630$6601a8c0@corapurvine>

It came though clean on my system. Outlook on Windows XP. 


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 4:45 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou and TedG

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Apologies on all counts.

The only attachment that is ever in my email is my logo.  I've deleted
everything in this email except straight text, and would be highly surprised
if it caused some kind of problem.  Let me know if this one comes through
clean.

Also, Ted, what program are you using?  I'm just using Mail, and as I
imagine many of you are using Macs, I'm surprised so many are having this
problem.  I've been contemplating the switch to Entourage for sometime (I
don't like thunderbird), and it may be time to move on that.

In any case, let me know how this one comes through, and I'll format
everything this way.  Most of my clients don't seem to be having a problem
with my emails, but every once in a while I'll get something about question
marks after periods.  Not instead of, after.  I'll see if I can do any more
research on my end.  It may just be the logo causing the whole thing to
become an attachment as printweb converts it to text and distributes it.

Also I didn't know about the address rule.  I'm not hiding from you guys.

Regards,

Borzou

Falcon Print and Copy
1921 Gallows Road
Vienna, VA 22182

www.falconprintandcopy.com
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134



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From list at interiorgraphics.com  Wed Sep 19 18:05:48 2007
From: list at interiorgraphics.com (Michelle at Interior Graphics)
Date: Wed Sep 19 18:05:58 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] {OFF} Funky emails from Borzou 
In-Reply-To: <8993F74C-4A70-4FAC-8F9A-3818E08EEC7A@falconprintandcopy.com>
References: <20070919.163526.28638.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>
	<46F19028.3050104@copycats.com>
	<200709192130.l8JLUkH22977@plus50.host4u.net>
	<8993F74C-4A70-4FAC-8F9A-3818E08EEC7A@falconprintandcopy.com>
Message-ID: <CB8D91A1-A73B-4C9A-A64B-8A9AF8DF8F7E@interiorgraphics.com>

It comes through just fine on my end.  And...  I checked out your  
website to see where you are from (VA, not TX) and I LOVE the  
Monkeys!  I know this is completely off, but if you have a minute  
check it out for a laugh.  I also enjoy your Hot off the Press  
links.  Thanks!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Michelle Maynor
"Your Personal Printer"
Interior Graphics & Printing
770 8th Avenue
Fairbanks, AK 99701
907.456.4982 phone
907.452.6992 fax

"The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the  
most." - John Ruskin



On Sep 19, 2007, at 1:45 PM, Borzou Azabdaftari wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Apologies on all counts.
>
> The only attachment that is ever in my email is my logo.  I've  
> deleted everything in this email except straight text, and would be  
> highly surprised if it caused some kind of problem.  Let me know if  
> this one comes through clean.
>
> Also, Ted, what program are you using?  I'm just using Mail, and as  
> I imagine many of you are using Macs, I'm surprised so many are  
> having this problem.  I've been contemplating the switch to  
> Entourage for sometime (I don't like thunderbird), and it may be  
> time to move on that.
>
> In any case, let me know how this one comes through, and I'll  
> format everything this way.  Most of my clients don't seem to be  
> having a problem with my emails, but every once in a while I'll get  
> something about question marks after periods.  Not instead of,  
> after.  I'll see if I can do any more research on my end.  It may  
> just be the logo causing the whole thing to become an attachment as  
> printweb converts it to text and distributes it.
>
> Also I didn't know about the address rule.  I'm not hiding from you  
> guys.
>
> Regards,
>
> Borzou
>
> Falcon Print and Copy
> 1921 Gallows Road
> Vienna, VA 22182
>
> www.falconprintandcopy.com
> t.703.442.0124
> f.703.442.0134
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>

From ssheers at sheergraphics.com  Wed Sep 19 18:52:54 2007
From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers)
Date: Wed Sep 19 18:48:00 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou (was Canon ir550)
In-Reply-To: <20070919214940.5DA62BA1158@rb.enter.net>
References: <20070919214940.5DA62BA1158@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <e4abbff93fbbd866fb8d24a6baf3338c@sheergraphics.com>

> I see his messages as regular text in the email. There are 
> attachements, but I have not opened them.
> I use Thunderbird.

They are received quite normally here - no attachments, but strangely, 
the signature is truncated and missing details. :)

We use Macintosh OSX & Apple Mail.

Please reply to Simon Sheers at:
<ssheers@sheergraphics.com>

Sheer Graphics Inc.
47 Chestnut Avenue,
Westmont, IL 60559-1127
Tel: (630) 654-4422
<http://www.sheergraphics.com>
Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more
From slb at inkspot.net  Wed Sep 19 20:20:05 2007
From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman)
Date: Wed Sep 19 20:20:19 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou and TedG
In-Reply-To: <8993F74C-4A70-4FAC-8F9A-3818E08EEC7A@falconprintandcopy.com>
References: <200709192130.l8JLUkH22977@plus50.host4u.net>
Message-ID: <46F18475.1949.1F47A518@slb.inkspot.net>

This one came through as straight text with an in-line signature. 
Previously they were blank messages with several attachments. I'm 
using Pegasus under WinXPpro.

Steve




> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> Apologies on all counts.
> 
> The only attachment that is ever in my email is my logo.  I've  
> deleted everything in this email except straight text, and would be  
> highly surprised if it caused some kind of problem.  Let me know if  
> this one comes through clean.
> 
> Also, Ted, what program are you using?  I'm just using Mail, and as I  
> imagine many of you are using Macs, I'm surprised so many are having  
> this problem.  I've been contemplating the switch to Entourage for  
> sometime (I don't like thunderbird), and it may be time to move on that.
> 
> In any case, let me know how this one comes through, and I'll format  
> everything this way.  Most of my clients don't seem to be having a  
> problem with my emails, but every once in a while I'll get something  
> about question marks after periods.  Not instead of, after.  I'll see  
> if I can do any more research on my end.  It may just be the logo  
> causing the whole thing to become an attachment as printweb converts  
> it to text and distributes it.
> 
> Also I didn't know about the address rule.  I'm not hiding from you  
> guys.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Borzou
> 
> Falcon Print and Copy
> 1921 Gallows Road
> Vienna, VA 22182
> 
> www.falconprintandcopy.com
> t.703.442.0124
> f.703.442.0134
> 
> 
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Steve Blatman
Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
Tel: 610-647-0776
Fax: 610-647-4560

From kevin at abfprints.com  Wed Sep 19 20:35:42 2007
From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko)
Date: Wed Sep 19 20:38:51 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions
In-Reply-To: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHIEDGJEAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>
References: <BAY135-DAV10154EBA2CFC1CB9AE08CBEBB90@phx.gbl>
	<GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHIEDGJEAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>
Message-ID: <00ca01c7fb1e$2d68ebf0$1700a8c0@abf.local>

Ron, where are you located? We are real close to bringing in a KM6500 and I
would like more info on your purchase. 
1. What rip did you go with?
2. Did you add any finishing equipment to the box?
3. What are you paying for the box?
4. What are you paying for b/w clicks?
5. What are you paying for color clicks?
6. Do you plan on taking work of the duplicators (spot pms) and put it on
the KM 6500?
7. What was your final determination for going with KM vs Xerox, Cannon or
etc.

Kevin Danko

Advantage Business Forms\ 
102 N. Riverside Ave.
Rialto, CA 92376
Phone: (909) 875-7163
Fax: (909) 875-7971
www.abfprints.com
E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 1:17 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

We do have our KMc6500 up and running the the quality is very good, and as a
mid-size commercial printer ($6MM) we have to have pretty high standards.
This machine has register controls which I do not believe the Xerox 240 or
242 does.  I think the quality off of a 240 is good, but, we have the
requirement that our pieces must cut out well and register so tri-folds
don't look like they were printed at Kinkos.

We looked at the Xerox 5000 which has register, but is well over $100K and
has a high gloss finish to the toner which our salespeople hated.



-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of
k_graham@hotmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:07 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

>
> I am getting no where with Danka, or the other Canon sales company.
> Holding strong at 9.2 cents per click with 11 x 17 - 2 clicks. Told them
> they were nuts!

We pay 10 cents a click but 11x17 is still 10 cents a click, but we are up
in northern Canada in what you would consider a remote location. Even so we
have a Xerox tech with factory training - unlike the Ikon crowd that gets
their training from someone from the Edmonton that got training probably
from someone in Ontario that maybe got training from Konica Minolta.

Black is 1.25 cents a click and we run more black than color because of
mixed originals and short run card orders.I much prefer to run card through
the color copier slow for black than through a fast black white machine.

>
> What machine should I be looking for? I need consistant color quality,
> speed, and good off the glass.

One advantage of the Xerox 240 - 250, 242, 252, 260 is so much is self serve
which greatly reduces the number of service calls
you install Toner, Drums, Waste Receptacles, Fuser Assembly is drop in,
Xerox wants to provide the fuser assembly but after our 1st one got a minor
nick they left it. I said I would use it if I had new stocks to try out so
as not to ruin the good Fuser. They also provide a separate corona type wire
that attaches to the black drum - I changed this today when the machine told
me to.

Both my Xerox  machines were off a bit on copy length where 17" was printing
16.875 but the technician adjusted both exactly upon my complaint.

> Which RIP would be the best choice?
After the problem with the Ikon 500/internal Fiery I took no chances and got
the External Fiery mainly because of the Fiery on the XP12's which we kept,
plus the Fiery on IR105 and IR7200 black machines. This way we use had
Command Work Station to control all. However we were able to get demo units
so saved a bit. One unit had a 3 hole punch/stapler unit, the other none - I
just think about 7 thousand for a booklet finisher is too much, better to
buy offline unit that does heavier books and lasts through 2 or 3 machines,
unless of course you do booklets all day within the spec's of the online
finisher.

We found the Fiery's both allowed installation of a monitor keyboard which
has been handy. If the Fiery comes with Pitstop, imposition, and hot folders
it can have a monitor, keyboard installed.

The only difference between 240 and 250 models is speed of the 8.5x11 size,
the 11x17 runs at same speed. We ended up with 1 of each because thats the
demo models that were available, we were about 40,000.00  complete, each.
Another interesting possibility would be their business color equivilent but
I don't know about its variable data or complex file capability.

Also we save files to the RIP using Fiery Free Form and then send Variable
Data like numbering over separately. However I sure would like to see a few
comparisons with Creo. both for variable data and for color, like most here
I think EFI needs competition and if I had to pay full price for either RIP
then I probably would have looked harder at the Creo.

It's funny but unlike Dan we've found our 240 and 250 to run like the Doc 12
for calibrating which is to say maybe weekly(for the Gradation adjust). What
I suggest is do the copier Gradation adjust weekly. This is separate from a
RIP calibration and must be done before a RIP calibration which I would do
after a technicians visit. The RIP calibration should not be necessary again
as long as the copier doesn't change which is what you are doing by doing
the copier Gradation adjustment.

All color copiers have some sort of Gradation adjustment, separate from RIP
calibration, this is Xerox's gradation adjustment  http://tinyurl.com/26qn23

Another plus with Xerox is the best support site in the business and toll
free tech support, though it might be to India.

One peculiarity with Xerox is it claims not to duplex coated paper while the
Ikon 500 claimed to be able to. We found with the Xerox using Futura Gloss
80# text we were able to run 16,000 copies without problem. This was
something like 80 of 200 page books. We specified heavy1 card instead of
coated and the duplex worked superb, better than results when we were
running the Ikon 500.

Of side interest, many years ago we signed for a 6 month  trial on a 1070
Xerox - great black and white machine analog copier but only letter, legal.
However severely over priced, we stopped at the trial rather than sign for 5
years. But the one big job we were counting on came in the last week and the
machine broke and Xerox said with only 5 days to go they couldn't be
bothered to send in a service man. I was many years before I allowed Xerox
in the door and that was  so I could trial their copier and return it.
However the 2nd time at this tactic I bought the Xerox Doc 12.

Also here the Xerox sales manager is the one that I deal with and I find
much less run a round than going through sales people. Use your clout, tell
Xerox the mayor is calling.

> Thanks in advance for re-posting and re-answering.
>
> Joe Dominick

Good Luck

Ken Graham
CommunityPrinters.com
250-782-7108
Dawson Creek BC Canada
V1G 2G5




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From jdaghir at gmail.com  Wed Sep 19 21:23:30 2007
From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir)
Date: Wed Sep 19 21:23:44 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Morgana Digifold
In-Reply-To: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHGEDGJEAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>
References: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHGEDGJEAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>
Message-ID: <83d5b9620709191823w3badc787j167e5a8340af7038@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the report Ron. I'll have to try and take a look at this at
next year's Graph Expo. Let us know how you like it after you've used
it awhile.

-- 
Jeff Daghir
MPS Printing, Inc.
"The Ink & Paper People"
Madison, IN
www.mpsprinting.com
jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com


Ron said:
> We purchased this machine at the show ($28K) and it was installed today.
> Makereadies for a variety of folds are about 1 minute.  While this machine
> is pretty slow, the Makereadies are so fast that on short runs it will
> certainly beat our current methods by a great margin.  We have a full
> compliment of ways to score and fold including letterpress and a Rosback 240
> scorer, and I think this will take a lot of work away from them as well as
> handle our digital stuff.  Practically no spoilage if any.
From sgfinke at fuse.net  Wed Sep 19 22:13:44 2007
From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott Finke)
Date: Wed Sep 19 22:02:43 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou and TedG
In-Reply-To: <8993F74C-4A70-4FAC-8F9A-3818E08EEC7A@falconprintandcopy.com>
References: <20070919.163526.28638.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>
	<46F19028.3050104@copycats.com>
	<200709192130.l8JLUkH22977@plus50.host4u.net>
	<8993F74C-4A70-4FAC-8F9A-3818E08EEC7A@falconprintandcopy.com>
Message-ID: <4B2A7CA8-2EFD-421A-807D-E9C55C6D2D44@fuse.net>



On Sep 19, 2007, at 5:45 PM, Borzou Azabdaftari wrote:

> Also I didn't know about the address rule.  I'm not hiding from you  
> guys.


Texas, Virginia.... One of those places.

Gail Finke
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc.	
8630 Winton Road
Cincinnati, OH 45231
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
(513) 522-2679
Fax 522-2692
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
info@brentwood-printing.com
www.brentwood-printing.com



From championprinting at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 19 22:31:51 2007
From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly)
Date: Wed Sep 19 22:32:16 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou and TedG/Test
Message-ID: <664734.24158.qm@web38914.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

As someone that never learned proper typing, I try to keep posts short although I'm not always successful. This paragraph is being written as a single paragraph without returns (as I normally do). I've been using Yahoo Small Business email and hosting on a XP Pro or 2000 Pro OS.
 
This paragraph has a return here,
and here.
I have seen some posts that are one long line, but assumed it was the sender. Doug's comments were the first feedback (return)
that I've had. I'm curious if others see what Doug sees here and on the "other" list. Borzou's posts look fine to me. Thanks.
 
Ted Gelletly
Champion Printing
5401 New Expansion Drive
Eldersburg MD 21784
410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488
ted@championprintingonline.com 


----- Original Message ----
From: Doug Shelton <si@ria.net>
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 5:28:55 PM
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou and TedG


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

At 05:10 PM 9/19/2007, Bob Stor wrote:

>I see his messages as regular text in the email.

No problems with Borzou's email formatting here, either
(using Eudora 7.1.0.9 on a PC). As previously suggested,
it would help if Borzou included a city and state location
in his email signature.

The ones that show up funky here are from Ted Gelletly.
All the carriage returns are stripped away so his messages
show up as one continuous paragraph wrapped at the edge
of the page.

Doug


--
Doug Shelton
Superior Impressions, Inc.
Toledo, Ohio
mailto:si@ria.net 

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From ttspeer at grics.net  Wed Sep 19 23:20:01 2007
From: ttspeer at grics.net (Tim & Tammie Speer)
Date: Wed Sep 19 23:23:51 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] MidWest Printer's Party
In-Reply-To: <69A58543-BBB6-4896-9F46-3098C1AF47CE@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <C3175111.18EB4%ttspeer@grics.net>

Very late replying here. I don't think you can get more Midwestern than
Macomb, IL. If we have it in Macomb, there are 3 or 4 hotels to choose from.
Our shop is only a few blocks from the Holiday Inn Express. However, the
lake we live on is 22 miles from the shop.

That means there are no hotels within 22 miles of our house - not even a bed
and breakfast!

Tammie
 
 
Tammie Speer
----------------------------------
Tammie@MacombPrinter.com

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS
__________________________________
1120 East Jackson Street
Macomb, IL 61455
309.833.5250--fax 833.3123
http://www.macombprinter.com
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> Craig,
> Loda is a nice location but we aren't located on a lake like Tammie!!!
> :)
> robin
> 
> 
> Robin Niewold
> Pro-Type Printing
> 130 N. Market Street
> Paxton, IL 60957
> 217.379.4715
> robin@protypeonline.com

From printian at gmail.com  Thu Sep 20 02:12:35 2007
From: printian at gmail.com (Ian Franks)
Date: Thu Sep 20 02:12:49 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou (was Canon ir550)
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAADFzOiTcRVVHkInrPC1NvOwBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>
References: <20070919.163526.28638.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>
	<46F19028.3050104@copycats.com>
	<98f5b19a0709191425k344bf6f1t352f2168d4c5060a@mail.gmail.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAADFzOiTcRVVHkInrPC1NvOwBAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>
Message-ID: <d69b9f3a0709192312i52d41739w39444c67144bf098@mail.gmail.com>

I used to get Mark's mail as attachments but not anymore. Borzou's come
normally as well. I use Gmail

On 19/09/2007, Mark Lake <mark@pipsturgeonbay.com> wrote:
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Does anyone else get my emails as attachments? If it were something on my
> end, wouldn't I get it as attachments also? Just curious. I also get
> messages from Borzou as attachments.
>
>

-- 
Regards
Ian Franks
Print Image
3 Corlett Drive, Illovo, JHB
Ph 011 447 3133
Fax 011 447 0642
sales@printimage.co.za
www.printimage.co.za
From hal at pickimp.com  Thu Sep 20 09:07:26 2007
From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt)
Date: Thu Sep 20 09:07:49 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou (was Canon ir550)
References: <20070919.163526.28638.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>
	<46F19028.3050104@copycats.com>
Message-ID: <001601c7fb87$57a5f840$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net>

All his email is working for me, it must be a mac-in-thing.

Hal 



From jedwards at printzilla.net  Thu Sep 20 09:17:08 2007
From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards)
Date: Thu Sep 20 09:20:52 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou (was Canon ir550)
In-Reply-To: <001601c7fb87$57a5f840$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net>
References: <20070919.163526.28638.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>
	<46F19028.3050104@copycats.com>
	<001601c7fb87$57a5f840$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <3F891937-B841-4EC0-BD9C-3A547918B777@printzilla.net>


On Sep 20, 2007, at 8:07 AM, Hal Wendt wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> All his email is working for me, it must be a mac-in-thing.
>
>

Yes, it does work just fine on a Mac. It's working here on my Mac.

Jack Edwards
Oak Ridge North, Texas
from the Continental Club,
33 miles north on I-45,
east on Robinson Road,
across from City Hall
From swiftyprinting at mac.com  Thu Sep 20 09:24:44 2007
From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck)
Date: Thu Sep 20 09:25:37 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou (was Canon ir550)
In-Reply-To: <001601c7fb87$57a5f840$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net>
References: <20070919.163526.28638.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>
	<46F19028.3050104@copycats.com>
	<001601c7fb87$57a5f840$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <5BB7697A-6021-4979-94E1-D39DC76599EB@mac.com>


On Sep 20, 2007, at 9:07 AM, Hal Wendt wrote:

> All his email is working for me, it must be a mac-in-thing.

Actually it is an email setting thing.
He uses a graphic for a signature which is technically a displaying  
attachment.
Depending on how you have your email settings or how your server  
treats attachments on emails will depend on how the email is treated  
and what you see.

It is best to use plain text, no fancy fonts, colors or cute symbols  
when sending emails to bulk users such as a chat group. Not only for  
speed of those reading the documents but also since many, for safety  
reasons, will not allow their email to "display" graphics or  
attachments since this is a great way to hide a undetectable virus.



Chuck Pappas
Arlington Swifty Printing
1386 Massachusetts Avenue
Arlington, MA 02476
781-646-8700
www.arlingtonswifty.com
From craig at newhavenprint.com  Thu Sep 20 09:35:09 2007
From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger)
Date: Thu Sep 20 09:33:55 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] NW Ohio printers?
In-Reply-To: <5BB7697A-6021-4979-94E1-D39DC76599EB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20070920133353.53C73BA5149@rb.enter.net>

Hello,
We're doing a rush variable data mailing for a congressional race (5th
District) in Northwest Ohio. Is there any printers on the list (that do
mailing) in that district?  The campaign wants to make sure we use a permit
from that district, instead of our Indiana permit.

TIA
Craig Dellinger 
New Haven Print & Copy
7531 US 930 East
Fort Wayne, IN 46803
260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579
www.newhavenprint.com

From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com  Thu Sep 20 09:42:35 2007
From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake)
Date: Thu Sep 20 09:43:55 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou (was Canon ir550)
In-Reply-To: <5BB7697A-6021-4979-94E1-D39DC76599EB@mac.com>
References: <20070919.163526.28638.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com><46F19028.3050104@copycats.com><001601c7fb87$57a5f840$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net>
	<5BB7697A-6021-4979-94E1-D39DC76599EB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAABdDdY86mGNIsu6CIO/CTNLCgAAAEAAAAG8TXKUe4zxBmmxwDOZLgj0BAAAAAA==@pipsturgeonbay.com>

Ah man Chuck, you went and solved this mystery with 1 email. I'll bet
everyone was trying to come up with some exotic reason why there are so many
variations of how his (and my) emails are received. Way to go pal<g>. 


Mark Lake
PIP Printing
368 Jefferson Street
Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235
920.743.7370     920.743.4633 Fax
www.pipsturgeonbay.com      
Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com
 
To send a file to us, please use the link below
http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Chuck
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 8:25 AM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou (was Canon ir550)

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****


Actually it is an email setting thing.
He uses a graphic for a signature which is technically a displaying
attachment.
Depending on how you have your email settings or how your server treats
attachments on emails will depend on how the email is treated and what you
see.

It is best to use plain text, no fancy fonts, colors or cute symbols when
sending emails to bulk users such as a chat group. Not only for speed of
those reading the documents but also since many, for safety reasons, will
not allow their email to "display" graphics or attachments since this is a
great way to hide a undetectable virus.


From Printernot at aol.com  Thu Sep 20 10:16:47 2007
From: Printernot at aol.com (Printernot@aol.com)
Date: Thu Sep 20 10:18:44 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Funky emails from Borzou (was Canon ir550)
Message-ID: <d11.13ded943.3423dacf@aol.com>

No problems here. It all comes as text, no attachments. Using AOL 9.0 VR  and 
Vista
 
Don Byers
Colorado Springs, CO



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From ron at printingconcepts.com  Thu Sep 20 11:38:16 2007
From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart)
Date: Thu Sep 20 11:32:09 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] KM bizhub PRO 1050
Message-ID: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHAEEHJEAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>

We are considering installing a KM 1050 PRO black & white printer.  Does
anyone on this list have this model and could you comment on reliability and
how it handles card stock?   We like the booklet maker (does up to 200 page
books) with face trimmer so that seems to eliminate a lot of competitors out
there.

Any competitors to this machine you would suggest?




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From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com  Thu Sep 20 11:43:36 2007
From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt)
Date: Thu Sep 20 11:44:16 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] KM bizhub PRO 1050
In-Reply-To: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHAEEHJEAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>
Message-ID: <C317FF58.1B65C%cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com>

On 9/20/07 10:38 AM, "Ron Taggart" <ron@printingconcepts.com> wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> We are considering installing a KM 1050 PRO black & white printer.  Does
> anyone on this list have this model and could you comment on reliability and
> how it handles card stock?   We like the booklet maker (does up to 200 page
> books) with face trimmer so that seems to eliminate a lot of competitors out
> there.

We have had this machine (from IKON) for about a year and for the most part
are very happy with it. It handles most cardstock with the exception of
Astrobrites which none of our machines seem to like. It has some issues with
printing good solids at the edge of a page but I was told at GraphExpo there
is a software patch for that. Ours is fully configured except for the
stackers and we have moved a lot of our presswork over to the machine. The
print quality is very good and it prints very nice screens and photos. The
finisher is exceptional when it comes to saddle stitching and folding. The
only downside is that it is the least intuitive machine to run we have ever
had.

Hope this helps.

Cyndy

-- 
Cyndy Wendt
President
Pioneer Printing, Inc.
3133 S. 7th., Suite D
Lincoln, Nebraska 68502
cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com

402.483.7575



From dana at landmarkimpressions.com  Thu Sep 20 12:24:30 2007
From: dana at landmarkimpressions.com (dana)
Date: Thu Sep 20 12:24:10 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] KM bizhub PRO 1050
In-Reply-To: <GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHAEEHJEAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>
Message-ID: <4A2A1D36BB2C48F68106D9FB48CEE95A@LMI.lan>

Ron,

Have had the machine since April. Average about 500,000
impressions/month. Got the machine thru Konica they do the regular PM
that is listed. Went 2.4 million impression before we placed out first
service call. I think the fact the Konica does the pm service cut down
on the service calls we make. 

This machine was purchased to back up our DocuTech (older machine) The
Docutech has become the back up for the 1050.

Dana Wilson

Landmark Impressions
35 Industrial Parkway
Woburn, MA 02492

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 11:38 AM
To: printowners
Subject: [PrintOwners] KM bizhub PRO 1050

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

We are considering installing a KM 1050 PRO black & white printer.  Does
anyone on this list have this model and could you comment on reliability
and
how it handles card stock?   We like the booklet maker (does up to 200
page
books) with face trimmer so that seems to eliminate a lot of competitors
out
there.

Any competitors to this machine you would suggest?




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From char at themasterspress.com  Thu Sep 20 15:46:02 2007
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Thu Sep 20 15:46:33 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] New PMS colors
Message-ID: <001a01c7fbbe$e2bbe070$0b01a8c0@CharXP>

Is anyone changing to the new PMS colors.  I wasn't even thinking of it but
just had a customer asked me when I was changing.  Ugh.  Has anyone done
this.
ch

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com



From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Thu Sep 20 16:02:47 2007
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Thu Sep 20 16:01:57 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] New PMS colors
In-Reply-To: <001a01c7fbbe$e2bbe070$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
References: <001a01c7fbbe$e2bbe070$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
Message-ID: <22084132-61BF-46D9-9BA9-01453CC73F69@falconprintandcopy.com>

I'm not PLANNING on changing anytime soon.  If, and when, I start  
getting artwork created for the Goe colors, I'm not going to buy the  
base colors to mix them.  I figure it'll be at least a year or two  
till that happens.  And as I understand, they're supposed to work in  
concert with the current books, not replace them.  They use less base  
mixes, and offer like 2,000 extra colors, so they look great, but I  
don't see any of my current customer's changing their artwork, nor  
will I push any new customers in that direction.  I generally like to  
be proactive about new developments, but don't think this is one we  
have to be on top of.  I've only done a little research on it though,  
and am very interested in what others have to say on this.

Regards,

Borzou


Falcon Print and Copy
1921 Gallows Road
Vienna, VA 22182
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134


On Sep 20, 2007, at 3:46 PM, Charlene Sims wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Is anyone changing to the new PMS colors.  I wasn't even thinking  
> of it but
> just had a customer asked me when I was changing.  Ugh.  Has anyone  
> done
> this.
> ch
>
> Charlene Sims
>
> The Master's Press, Inc
> 14550 Midway Road
> Dallas, Tx  75244
> 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
> char@themasterspress.com
> www.themasterspress.com
>
>
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From swiftyprinting at mac.com  Thu Sep 20 16:29:07 2007
From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck)
Date: Thu Sep 20 16:29:43 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] New PMS colors
In-Reply-To: <001a01c7fbbe$e2bbe070$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
References: <001a01c7fbbe$e2bbe070$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
Message-ID: <58386D97-5C0A-4EE7-98A0-35C86EC7DC02@mac.com>


On Sep 20, 2007, at 3:46 PM, Charlene Sims wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Is anyone changing to the new PMS colors.  I wasn't even thinking  
> of it but
> just had a customer asked me when I was changing.  Ugh.  Has anyone  
> done
> this.
> ch
>
If you run a mixed environment in your shop (offset and digital) then  
part of that answer needs to include when will the RIP for your  
digital devices support the new colors. And does that mean a RIP  
which you purchased with Pantone Certification is now not certified,  
or if you have service on that RIP will the service contract include  
the new Pantone Lookup Library to re-certify the RIP as Pantone  
Certified?

We have double the problems here since we run offset and digital.

It is always fun in the printing business.




Chuck Pappas
Arlington Swifty Printing
1386 Massachusetts Avenue
Arlington, MA 02476
781-646-8700
www.arlingtonswifty.com
From sos at olympus.net  Thu Sep 20 16:30:20 2007
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Thu Sep 20 16:30:17 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] New PMS colors
References: <001a01c7fbbe$e2bbe070$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
	<22084132-61BF-46D9-9BA9-01453CC73F69@falconprintandcopy.com>
Message-ID: <007b01c7fbc5$109f8f90$0300a8c0@DANIEL>

 I generally like to
> be proactive about new developments, but don't think this is one we  have 
> to be on top of.
=======================

I like to be proactive as well, but I'm not going to do anything with Goe 
until forced to by customers which may very well be never.  We'll see.
More often than not, we print CMYK either digitally or on press.  Spot 
colors are getting more rarely used in my experience. Having 2000 more to 
choose from just seems counter productive to me.  We already don't use 99% 
of PMS colors now. Might as well make it 99.7%.

Again, we are in a very small market and most of our dinky customers will 
not pay extra for a PMS mix.  We do do a fair amount of spot color printing, 
but normally use our standard colors,  reflex blue, 192 red, 320 aqua, 165 
orange, 347 green, 471 brown, you get the picture. . .

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860 


From kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com  Thu Sep 20 16:38:28 2007
From: kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com (Kirk Squiers)
Date: Thu Sep 20 16:38:59 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] MidWest Printer's Party
Message-ID: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111D506@fpserver.FP.local>

No worries I have driven more than 22 miles with one eye shut late at
night !!!!

Kirk K. Squiers
Central Michigan Graphics
1200 E. Oakland
Lansing, Michigan 48906
www.centralmichigangraphics.com
517-230-8600
kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com
-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tim & Tammie
Speer
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:20 PM
To: Printowners List
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] MidWest Printer's Party

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Very late replying here. I don't think you can get more Midwestern than
Macomb, IL. If we have it in Macomb, there are 3 or 4 hotels to choose
from.
Our shop is only a few blocks from the Holiday Inn Express. However, the
lake we live on is 22 miles from the shop.

That means there are no hotels within 22 miles of our house - not even a
bed
and breakfast!

Tammie
 
 
Tammie Speer
----------------------------------
Tammie@MacombPrinter.com

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS
__________________________________
1120 East Jackson Street
Macomb, IL 61455
309.833.5250--fax 833.3123
http://www.macombprinter.com
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> Craig,
> Loda is a nice location but we aren't located on a lake like Tammie!!!
> :)
> robin
> 
> 
> Robin Niewold
> Pro-Type Printing
> 130 N. Market Street
> Paxton, IL 60957
> 217.379.4715
> robin@protypeonline.com

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From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com  Thu Sep 20 16:47:31 2007
From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com)
Date: Thu Sep 20 16:47:53 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] MidWest Printer's Party
Message-ID: <c26.1ec8531c.34243663@aol.com>

Tammie I suggest you contact a ASI member like myself & start ordering  cots! 
 : )  
 
 
Tommy
 
 
Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
3612 E. Tremont  Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
NAQP Member  #1031539
718.904.7760
718.892.2315 Fax
_www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) 



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From russ at mobile-print.com  Thu Sep 20 17:57:42 2007
From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters)
Date: Thu Sep 20 17:00:21 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] MidWest Printer's Party
In-Reply-To: <C3175111.18EB4%ttspeer@grics.net>
References: <C3175111.18EB4%ttspeer@grics.net>
Message-ID: <46F2ECD6.3000608@mobile-print.com>


>  However, the
> lake we live on is 22 miles from the shop.
>
>   

I drive 36 miles to work, so 22 doesn't sound too bad!!

Russ Peters
MOBILE PRINT, INC.
201 W. Central Road
Mount Prospect, IL 60056
Phone: 847-398-6155
Fax: 847-398-0788


From char at themasterspress.com  Thu Sep 20 17:06:29 2007
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Thu Sep 20 17:06:57 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] New PMS colors
In-Reply-To: <58386D97-5C0A-4EE7-98A0-35C86EC7DC02@mac.com>
References: <001a01c7fbbe$e2bbe070$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
	<58386D97-5C0A-4EE7-98A0-35C86EC7DC02@mac.com>
Message-ID: <002701c7fbca$1d071f00$0b01a8c0@CharXP>

Chuck I had not even thought of that aspect.  We might not want to change
But as designers or especially people who think they are designers start
using those colors, that is what they are going to be looking for.  The
person asking me this was a designer at a large church we do a lot of
printing for.  They are always the ones the paper companies and others go
after to change.  If they can get these people to change - that is easier
than getting printers to change.  I don't want to do it.  But if we start
getting requests, my thoughts are - if we don't do it, they will go to
someone who will.  Something new to ask for - is my rip compatible.  I bet
all the new graphic programs  that come up with updates will have it.
I hate changes........ I think I am getting old.  What was wrong with the
good ole PMS
ch

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Chuck
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 3:29 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] New PMS colors

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****


On Sep 20, 2007, at 3:46 PM, Charlene Sims wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Is anyone changing to the new PMS colors.  I wasn't even thinking  
> of it but
> just had a customer asked me when I was changing.  Ugh.  Has anyone  
> done
> this.
> ch
>
If you run a mixed environment in your shop (offset and digital) then  
part of that answer needs to include when will the RIP for your  
digital devices support the new colors. And does that mean a RIP  
which you purchased with Pantone Certification is now not certified,  
or if you have service on that RIP will the service contract include  
the new Pantone Lookup Library to re-certify the RIP as Pantone  
Certified?

We have double the problems here since we run offset and digital.

It is always fun in the printing business.




Chuck Pappas
Arlington Swifty Printing
1386 Massachusetts Avenue
Arlington, MA 02476
781-646-8700
www.arlingtonswifty.com
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From char at themasterspress.com  Thu Sep 20 17:14:16 2007
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Thu Sep 20 17:14:41 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions
In-Reply-To: <00ca01c7fb1e$2d68ebf0$1700a8c0@abf.local>
References: <BAY135-DAV10154EBA2CFC1CB9AE08CBEBB90@phx.gbl><GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHIEDGJEAA.ron@printingconcepts.com>
	<00ca01c7fb1e$2d68ebf0$1700a8c0@abf.local>
Message-ID: <003401c7fbcb$33799f50$0b01a8c0@CharXP>

Just wanting to make sure you are checking on the NAQP pricing.
Before buying.

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Danko
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 7:36 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Ron, where are you located? We are real close to bringing in a KM6500 and I
would like more info on your purchase. 
1. What rip did you go with?
2. Did you add any finishing equipment to the box?
3. What are you paying for the box?
4. What are you paying for b/w clicks?
5. What are you paying for color clicks?
6. Do you plan on taking work of the duplicators (spot pms) and put it on
the KM 6500?
7. What was your final determination for going with KM vs Xerox, Cannon or
etc.

Kevin Danko

Advantage Business Forms\ 
102 N. Riverside Ave.
Rialto, CA 92376
Phone: (909) 875-7163
Fax: (909) 875-7971
www.abfprints.com
E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 1:17 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

We do have our KMc6500 up and running the the quality is very good, and as a
mid-size commercial printer ($6MM) we have to have pretty high standards.
This machine has register controls which I do not believe the Xerox 240 or
242 does.  I think the quality off of a 240 is good, but, we have the
requirement that our pieces must cut out well and register so tri-folds
don't look like they were printed at Kinkos.

We looked at the Xerox 5000 which has register, but is well over $100K and
has a high gloss finish to the toner which our salespeople hated.



-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of
k_graham@hotmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:07 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

>
> I am getting no where with Danka, or the other Canon sales company.
> Holding strong at 9.2 cents per click with 11 x 17 - 2 clicks. Told them
> they were nuts!

We pay 10 cents a click but 11x17 is still 10 cents a click, but we are up
in northern Canada in what you would consider a remote location. Even so we
have a Xerox tech with factory training - unlike the Ikon crowd that gets
their training from someone from the Edmonton that got training probably
from someone in Ontario that maybe got training from Konica Minolta.

Black is 1.25 cents a click and we run more black than color because of
mixed originals and short run card orders.I much prefer to run card through
the color copier slow for black than through a fast black white machine.

>
> What machine should I be looking for? I need consistant color quality,
> speed, and good off the glass.

One advantage of the Xerox 240 - 250, 242, 252, 260 is so much is self serve
which greatly reduces the number of service calls
you install Toner, Drums, Waste Receptacles, Fuser Assembly is drop in,
Xerox wants to provide the fuser assembly but after our 1st one got a minor
nick they left it. I said I would use it if I had new stocks to try out so
as not to ruin the good Fuser. They also provide a separate corona type wire
that attaches to the black drum - I changed this today when the machine told
me to.

Both my Xerox  machines were off a bit on copy length where 17" was printing
16.875 but the technician adjusted both exactly upon my complaint.

> Which RIP would be the best choice?
After the problem with the Ikon 500/internal Fiery I took no chances and got
the External Fiery mainly because of the Fiery on the XP12's which we kept,
plus the Fiery on IR105 and IR7200 black machines. This way we use had
Command Work Station to control all. However we were able to get demo units
so saved a bit. One unit had a 3 hole punch/stapler unit, the other none - I
just think about 7 thousand for a booklet finisher is too much, better to
buy offline unit that does heavier books and lasts through 2 or 3 machines,
unless of course you do booklets all day within the spec's of the online
finisher.

We found the Fiery's both allowed installation of a monitor keyboard which
has been handy. If the Fiery comes with Pitstop, imposition, and hot folders
it can have a monitor, keyboard installed.

The only difference between 240 and 250 models is speed of the 8.5x11 size,
the 11x17 runs at same speed. We ended up with 1 of each because thats the
demo models that were available, we were about 40,000.00  complete, each.
Another interesting possibility would be their business color equivilent but
I don't know about its variable data or complex file capability.

Also we save files to the RIP using Fiery Free Form and then send Variable
Data like numbering over separately. However I sure would like to see a few
comparisons with Creo. both for variable data and for color, like most here
I think EFI needs competition and if I had to pay full price for either RIP
then I probably would have looked harder at the Creo.

It's funny but unlike Dan we've found our 240 and 250 to run like the Doc 12
for calibrating which is to say maybe weekly(for the Gradation adjust). What
I suggest is do the copier Gradation adjust weekly. This is separate from a
RIP calibration and must be done before a RIP calibration which I would do
after a technicians visit. The RIP calibration should not be necessary again
as long as the copier doesn't change which is what you are doing by doing
the copier Gradation adjustment.

All color copiers have some sort of Gradation adjustment, separate from RIP
calibration, this is Xerox's gradation adjustment  http://tinyurl.com/26qn23

Another plus with Xerox is the best support site in the business and toll
free tech support, though it might be to India.

One peculiarity with Xerox is it claims not to duplex coated paper while the
Ikon 500 claimed to be able to. We found with the Xerox using Futura Gloss
80# text we were able to run 16,000 copies without problem. This was
something like 80 of 200 page books. We specified heavy1 card instead of
coated and the duplex worked superb, better than results when we were
running the Ikon 500.

Of side interest, many years ago we signed for a 6 month  trial on a 1070
Xerox - great black and white machine analog copier but only letter, legal.
However severely over priced, we stopped at the trial rather than sign for 5
years. But the one big job we were counting on came in the last week and the
machine broke and Xerox said with only 5 days to go they couldn't be
bothered to send in a service man. I was many years before I allowed Xerox
in the door and that was  so I could trial their copier and return it.
However the 2nd time at this tactic I bought the Xerox Doc 12.

Also here the Xerox sales manager is the one that I deal with and I find
much less run a round than going through sales people. Use your clout, tell
Xerox the mayor is calling.

> Thanks in advance for re-posting and re-answering.
>
> Joe Dominick

Good Luck

Ken Graham
CommunityPrinters.com
250-782-7108
Dawson Creek BC Canada
V1G 2G5




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From ed at graphicprintersinc.com  Thu Sep 20 17:23:21 2007
From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce)
Date: Thu Sep 20 17:23:06 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions
In-Reply-To: <003401c7fbcb$33799f50$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
Message-ID: <005801c7fbcc$79623d50$5a01a8c0@fileserver>

Charlene, thanks for Chuck Slaughter's name & number. He is working on
pricing for me on a 6500. I should know something by Monday.

My local dealer is $27,000 more than Larry Hunt's lowest reported quote on
the same machine I want so it is not hard to justify Larry's newsletter
cost.

Ed Pierce
Graphic Print & Communication
Meridian MS 
601-485-7088
ed@graphicprintersinc.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 4:14 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Just wanting to make sure you are checking on the NAQP pricing.
Before buying.

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Danko
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 7:36 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Ron, where are you located? We are real close to bringing in a KM6500 and I
would like more info on your purchase. 
1. What rip did you go with?
2. Did you add any finishing equipment to the box?
3. What are you paying for the box?
4. What are you paying for b/w clicks?
5. What are you paying for color clicks?
6. Do you plan on taking work of the duplicators (spot pms) and put it on
the KM 6500?
7. What was your final determination for going with KM vs Xerox, Cannon or
etc.

Kevin Danko

Advantage Business Forms\ 
102 N. Riverside Ave.
Rialto, CA 92376
Phone: (909) 875-7163
Fax: (909) 875-7971
www.abfprints.com
E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 1:17 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

We do have our KMc6500 up and running the the quality is very good, and as a
mid-size commercial printer ($6MM) we have to have pretty high standards.
This machine has register controls which I do not believe the Xerox 240 or
242 does.  I think the quality off of a 240 is good, but, we have the
requirement that our pieces must cut out well and register so tri-folds
don't look like they were printed at Kinkos.

We looked at the Xerox 5000 which has register, but is well over $100K and
has a high gloss finish to the toner which our salespeople hated.



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From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of
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Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:07 PM
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>
> I am getting no where with Danka, or the other Canon sales company.
> Holding strong at 9.2 cents per click with 11 x 17 - 2 clicks. Told them
> they were nuts!

We pay 10 cents a click but 11x17 is still 10 cents a click, but we are up
in northern Canada in what you would consider a remote location. Even so we
have a Xerox tech with factory training - unlike the Ikon crowd that gets
their training from someone from the Edmonton that got training probably
from someone in Ontario that maybe got training from Konica Minolta.

Black is 1.25 cents a click and we run more black than color because of
mixed originals and short run card orders.I much prefer to run card through
the color copier slow for black than through a fast black white machine.

>
> What machine should I be looking for? I need consistant color quality,
> speed, and good off the glass.

One advantage of the Xerox 240 - 250, 242, 252, 260 is so much is self serve
which greatly reduces the number of service calls
you install Toner, Drums, Waste Receptacles, Fuser Assembly is drop in,
Xerox wants to provide the fuser assembly but after our 1st one got a minor
nick they left it. I said I would use it if I had new stocks to try out so
as not to ruin the good Fuser. They also provide a separate corona type wire
that attaches to the black drum - I changed this today when the machine told
me to.

Both my Xerox  machines were off a bit on copy length where 17" was printing
16.875 but the technician adjusted both exactly upon my complaint.

> Which RIP would be the best choice?
After the problem with the Ikon 500/internal Fiery I took no chances and got
the External Fiery mainly because of the Fiery on the XP12's which we kept,
plus the Fiery on IR105 and IR7200 black machines. This way we use had
Command Work Station to control all. However we were able to get demo units
so saved a bit. One unit had a 3 hole punch/stapler unit, the other none - I
just think about 7 thousand for a booklet finisher is too much, better to
buy offline unit that does heavier books and lasts through 2 or 3 machines,
unless of course you do booklets all day within the spec's of the online
finisher.

We found the Fiery's both allowed installation of a monitor keyboard which
has been handy. If the Fiery comes with Pitstop, imposition, and hot folders
it can have a monitor, keyboard installed.

The only difference between 240 and 250 models is speed of the 8.5x11 size,
the 11x17 runs at same speed. We ended up with 1 of each because thats the
demo models that were available, we were about 40,000.00  complete, each.
Another interesting possibility would be their business color equivilent but
I don't know about its variable data or complex file capability.

Also we save files to the RIP using Fiery Free Form and then send Variable
Data like numbering over separately. However I sure would like to see a few
comparisons with Creo. both for variable data and for color, like most here
I think EFI needs competition and if I had to pay full price for either RIP
then I probably would have looked harder at the Creo.

It's funny but unlike Dan we've found our 240 and 250 to run like the Doc 12
for calibrating which is to say maybe weekly(for the Gradation adjust). What
I suggest is do the copier Gradation adjust weekly. This is separate from a
RIP calibration and must be done before a RIP calibration which I would do
after a technicians visit. The RIP calibration should not be necessary again
as long as the copier doesn't change which is what you are doing by doing
the copier Gradation adjustment.

All color copiers have some sort of Gradation adjustment, separate from RIP
calibration, this is Xerox's gradation adjustment  http://tinyurl.com/26qn23

Another plus with Xerox is the best support site in the business and toll
free tech support, though it might be to India.

One peculiarity with Xerox is it claims not to duplex coated paper while the
Ikon 500 claimed to be able to. We found with the Xerox using Futura Gloss
80# text we were able to run 16,000 copies without problem. This was
something like 80 of 200 page books. We specified heavy1 card instead of
coated and the duplex worked superb, better than results when we were
running the Ikon 500.

Of side interest, many years ago we signed for a 6 month  trial on a 1070
Xerox - great black and white machine analog copier but only letter, legal.
However severely over priced, we stopped at the trial rather than sign for 5
years. But the one big job we were counting on came in the last week and the
machine broke and Xerox said with only 5 days to go they couldn't be
bothered to send in a service man. I was many years before I allowed Xerox
in the door and that was  so I could trial their copier and return it.
However the 2nd time at this tactic I bought the Xerox Doc 12.

Also here the Xerox sales manager is the one that I deal with and I find
much less run a round than going through sales people. Use your clout, tell
Xerox the mayor is calling.

> Thanks in advance for re-posting and re-answering.
>
> Joe Dominick

Good Luck

Ken Graham
CommunityPrinters.com
250-782-7108
Dawson Creek BC Canada
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From char at themasterspress.com  Thu Sep 20 17:30:04 2007
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Thu Sep 20 17:30:38 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions
In-Reply-To: <005801c7fbcc$79623d50$5a01a8c0@fileserver>
References: <003401c7fbcb$33799f50$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
	<005801c7fbcc$79623d50$5a01a8c0@fileserver>
Message-ID: <003801c7fbcd$68716d80$0b01a8c0@CharXP>

Great Ed.  And the NAQP pricing.  I hope it works out good for you.  I know
some are not happy with the machine but there are a lot of people making
good money with it.  Hope it makes a bundle for you.  Just make sure you
have good service.  No matter who you buy it from, that is key.  My C500 is
cooking right now and I am happy.
ch

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

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[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ed Pierce
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 4:23 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions

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Charlene, thanks for Chuck Slaughter's name & number. He is working on
pricing for me on a 6500. I should know something by Monday.

My local dealer is $27,000 more than Larry Hunt's lowest reported quote on
the same machine I want so it is not hard to justify Larry's newsletter
cost.

Ed Pierce
Graphic Print & Communication
Meridian MS 
601-485-7088
ed@graphicprintersinc.com
 

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[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 4:14 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Just wanting to make sure you are checking on the NAQP pricing.
Before buying.

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

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[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Danko
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 7:36 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
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Ron, where are you located? We are real close to bringing in a KM6500 and I
would like more info on your purchase. 
1. What rip did you go with?
2. Did you add any finishing equipment to the box?
3. What are you paying for the box?
4. What are you paying for b/w clicks?
5. What are you paying for color clicks?
6. Do you plan on taking work of the duplicators (spot pms) and put it on
the KM 6500?
7. What was your final determination for going with KM vs Xerox, Cannon or
etc.

Kevin Danko

Advantage Business Forms\ 
102 N. Riverside Ave.
Rialto, CA 92376
Phone: (909) 875-7163
Fax: (909) 875-7971
www.abfprints.com
E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com

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[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 1:17 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions

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We do have our KMc6500 up and running the the quality is very good, and as a
mid-size commercial printer ($6MM) we have to have pretty high standards.
This machine has register controls which I do not believe the Xerox 240 or
242 does.  I think the quality off of a 240 is good, but, we have the
requirement that our pieces must cut out well and register so tri-folds
don't look like they were printed at Kinkos.

We looked at the Xerox 5000 which has register, but is well over $100K and
has a high gloss finish to the toner which our salespeople hated.



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Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:07 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

>
> I am getting no where with Danka, or the other Canon sales company.
> Holding strong at 9.2 cents per click with 11 x 17 - 2 clicks. Told them
> they were nuts!

We pay 10 cents a click but 11x17 is still 10 cents a click, but we are up
in northern Canada in what you would consider a remote location. Even so we
have a Xerox tech with factory training - unlike the Ikon crowd that gets
their training from someone from the Edmonton that got training probably
from someone in Ontario that maybe got training from Konica Minolta.

Black is 1.25 cents a click and we run more black than color because of
mixed originals and short run card orders.I much prefer to run card through
the color copier slow for black than through a fast black white machine.

>
> What machine should I be looking for? I need consistant color quality,
> speed, and good off the glass.

One advantage of the Xerox 240 - 250, 242, 252, 260 is so much is self serve
which greatly reduces the number of service calls
you install Toner, Drums, Waste Receptacles, Fuser Assembly is drop in,
Xerox wants to provide the fuser assembly but after our 1st one got a minor
nick they left it. I said I would use it if I had new stocks to try out so
as not to ruin the good Fuser. They also provide a separate corona type wire
that attaches to the black drum - I changed this today when the machine told
me to.

Both my Xerox  machines were off a bit on copy length where 17" was printing
16.875 but the technician adjusted both exactly upon my complaint.

> Which RIP would be the best choice?
After the problem with the Ikon 500/internal Fiery I took no chances and got
the External Fiery mainly because of the Fiery on the XP12's which we kept,
plus the Fiery on IR105 and IR7200 black machines. This way we use had
Command Work Station to control all. However we were able to get demo units
so saved a bit. One unit had a 3 hole punch/stapler unit, the other none - I
just think about 7 thousand for a booklet finisher is too much, better to
buy offline unit that does heavier books and lasts through 2 or 3 machines,
unless of course you do booklets all day within the spec's of the online
finisher.

We found the Fiery's both allowed installation of a monitor keyboard which
has been handy. If the Fiery comes with Pitstop, imposition, and hot folders
it can have a monitor, keyboard installed.

The only difference between 240 and 250 models is speed of the 8.5x11 size,
the 11x17 runs at same speed. We ended up with 1 of each because thats the
demo models that were available, we were about 40,000.00  complete, each.
Another interesting possibility would be their business color equivilent but
I don't know about its variable data or complex file capability.

Also we save files to the RIP using Fiery Free Form and then send Variable
Data like numbering over separately. However I sure would like to see a few
comparisons with Creo. both for variable data and for color, like most here
I think EFI needs competition and if I had to pay full price for either RIP
then I probably would have looked harder at the Creo.

It's funny but unlike Dan we've found our 240 and 250 to run like the Doc 12
for calibrating which is to say maybe weekly(for the Gradation adjust). What
I suggest is do the copier Gradation adjust weekly. This is separate from a
RIP calibration and must be done before a RIP calibration which I would do
after a technicians visit. The RIP calibration should not be necessary again
as long as the copier doesn't change which is what you are doing by doing
the copier Gradation adjustment.

All color copiers have some sort of Gradation adjustment, separate from RIP
calibration, this is Xerox's gradation adjustment  http://tinyurl.com/26qn23

Another plus with Xerox is the best support site in the business and toll
free tech support, though it might be to India.

One peculiarity with Xerox is it claims not to duplex coated paper while the
Ikon 500 claimed to be able to. We found with the Xerox using Futura Gloss
80# text we were able to run 16,000 copies without problem. This was
something like 80 of 200 page books. We specified heavy1 card instead of
coated and the duplex worked superb, better than results when we were
running the Ikon 500.

Of side interest, many years ago we signed for a 6 month  trial on a 1070
Xerox - great black and white machine analog copier but only letter, legal.
However severely over priced, we stopped at the trial rather than sign for 5
years. But the one big job we were counting on came in the last week and the
machine broke and Xerox said with only 5 days to go they couldn't be
bothered to send in a service man. I was many years before I allowed Xerox
in the door and that was  so I could trial their copier and return it.
However the 2nd time at this tactic I bought the Xerox Doc 12.

Also here the Xerox sales manager is the one that I deal with and I find
much less run a round than going through sales people. Use your clout, tell
Xerox the mayor is calling.

> Thanks in advance for re-posting and re-answering.
>
> Joe Dominick

Good Luck

Ken Graham
CommunityPrinters.com
250-782-7108
Dawson Creek BC Canada
V1G 2G5




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From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com  Thu Sep 20 17:30:51 2007
From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com)
Date: Thu Sep 20 17:31:18 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] New PMS colors
Message-ID: <d10.1406077d.3424408b@aol.com>

I guess it all depends on what type of clients we have.  When almost  all our 
orders all for four color process.  We have about three clients  that require 
PMS work & they are for stationery orders.  I can't see  the new colors are 
going to make any major impact in our industry.
 
Tommy Melendez
 
Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
3612 E. Tremont  Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
NAQP Member  #1031539
718.904.7760
718.892.2315 Fax
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From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com  Thu Sep 20 17:49:34 2007
From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com)
Date: Thu Sep 20 17:49:50 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:  C650
Message-ID: <cd9.1aad2196.342444ee@aol.com>

Has anyone have any experience or knowledge on the C650 model.  I have  any 
interest also in KM 6500 / Xerox 250.  I am coming to the end of  my contract 
on my small unit in Feb.  Want to get as much information as  possible to help 
with my decision.  As always, thanks in advance.
 
 
Tommy Melendez
 
Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
3612 E. Tremont  Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
NAQP Member  #1031539
718.904.7760
718.892.2315 Fax
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From kellycrom at gmail.com  Thu Sep 20 18:00:04 2007
From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics)
Date: Thu Sep 20 18:00:09 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] New PMS colors
In-Reply-To: <001a01c7fbbe$e2bbe070$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
References: <001a01c7fbbe$e2bbe070$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
Message-ID: <03d801c7fbd1$9b168730$6d01a8c0@KELLY>

I think we'll all(offset printers) have to offer the new GOE colors
eventually, but I don't see any reason to "change" to the new colors(btw,
these are not replacing(according to the Pantone rep at Graph Expo) the
Pantone PMS system. I think we will initially plan on ordering mixed new
color directly from our ink company. And not until we start receiving orders
on a regular basis will we bring in the 10 new mixing inks to be able to mix
our own.
We currently charge $47 for a mix we do, and $80 for a custom mix from the
ink company. 

Also, we will all want to consider at least ordering the new Goe ink guide,
which includes a cd with the new colors to add into Adobe, Quark, etc. For
those of us who have digital machines, and do some sort of PMS matching, we
will have to wait for the RIP manufacturers to get out updates for the color
tables in the RIPs.


Kelly Crom
Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.

We've Moved!!!
2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
Plymouth, MN  55441
New Phone:  (763)231-6970
kellycrom@gmail.com
www.applied-graphics.com 

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org 
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:46 PM
> To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
> Subject: [PrintOwners] New PMS colors
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> Is anyone changing to the new PMS colors.  I wasn't even 
> thinking of it but
> just had a customer asked me when I was changing.  Ugh.  Has 
> anyone done
> this.
> ch
> 
> Charlene Sims
>  
> The Master's Press, Inc
> 14550 Midway Road
> Dallas, Tx  75244
> 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
> char@themasterspress.com
> www.themasterspress.com
> 
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From kevin at abfprints.com  Thu Sep 20 19:22:45 2007
From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko)
Date: Thu Sep 20 19:25:43 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions
In-Reply-To: <003401c7fbcb$33799f50$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
References: <BAY135-DAV10154EBA2CFC1CB9AE08CBEBB90@phx.gbl><GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHIEDGJEAA.ron@printingconcepts.com><00ca01c7fb1e$2d68ebf0$1700a8c0@abf.local>
	<003401c7fbcb$33799f50$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
Message-ID: <020701c7fbdd$27983860$1700a8c0@abf.local>

Charlene, I am not a member of NAQP. Can I still get info from them on
copier pricing?

Kevin Danko
Advantage Business Forms
102 N. Riverside Ave.
Rialto, CA 92376
Phone: (909) 875-7163
Fax: (909) 875-7971
www.abfprints.com
E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com

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From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:14 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Just wanting to make sure you are checking on the NAQP pricing.
Before buying.

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

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From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Danko
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 7:36 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions

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Ron, where are you located? We are real close to bringing in a KM6500 and I
would like more info on your purchase. 
1. What rip did you go with?
2. Did you add any finishing equipment to the box?
3. What are you paying for the box?
4. What are you paying for b/w clicks?
5. What are you paying for color clicks?
6. Do you plan on taking work of the duplicators (spot pms) and put it on
the KM 6500?
7. What was your final determination for going with KM vs Xerox, Cannon or
etc.

Kevin Danko

Advantage Business Forms\ 
102 N. Riverside Ave.
Rialto, CA 92376
Phone: (909) 875-7163
Fax: (909) 875-7971
www.abfprints.com
E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com




From gerrye at porathprintsource.com  Thu Sep 20 19:25:57 2007
From: gerrye at porathprintsource.com (Gerry Engelhart)
Date: Thu Sep 20 19:26:15 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Data capture with Visual Printleader
References: <20070920212308.8F492BA78AC@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <01f901c7fbdd$9977d4e0$6800000a@Engelhart>

Anyone out there have any experience using the Data Capture Module from 
Printleader?

I would be interested in talking to you to hear how it works and what it 
adds to your management of your shop

Gerry Engelhart (gerrye@porathprintsource.com)
Porath Printsource
Cleveland Ohio 

From slb at inkspot.net  Thu Sep 20 22:13:52 2007
From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman)
Date: Thu Sep 20 22:14:06 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] New PMS colors
In-Reply-To: <002701c7fbca$1d071f00$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
References: <58386D97-5C0A-4EE7-98A0-35C86EC7DC02@mac.com>
Message-ID: <46F2F0A0.31876.1006260@slb.inkspot.net>

> I think I am getting old.  What was wrong with the
> good ole PMS
> ch
> 

Did I miss something here? Is Charlene longing for PMS? <g>

Steve
(ducking and running for cover, but it was too good a line to pass 
up...)

Steve Blatman
Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
Tel: 610-647-0776
Fax: 610-647-4560

From ttspeer at grics.net  Thu Sep 20 22:11:26 2007
From: ttspeer at grics.net (Tim & Tammie Speer)
Date: Thu Sep 20 22:15:33 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] MidWest Printer's Party
In-Reply-To: <c26.1ec8531c.34243663@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C318927E.18F0D%ttspeer@grics.net>

Cots are a good idea. We have a big basement where everyone can sleep. It
walks right out to the lake. (well, there is a slight hill)

Tammie

 
Tammie Speer
----------------------------------
Tammie@MacombPrinter.com

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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__________________________________
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> 
> Tammie I suggest you contact a ASI member like myself & start ordering  cots!
> : )  
> 
> 
> Tommy
> 
> 
> Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
> 3612 E. Tremont  Avenue
> Bronx, N.Y. 10465
> NAQP Member  #1031539
> 718.904.7760
> 718.892.2315 Fax
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From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Thu Sep 20 23:01:29 2007
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Thu Sep 20 23:01:45 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] New PMS colors
In-Reply-To: <002701c7fbca$1d071f00$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
References: <001a01c7fbbe$e2bbe070$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
	<58386D97-5C0A-4EE7-98A0-35C86EC7DC02@mac.com>
	<002701c7fbca$1d071f00$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0709202001j2f739a4cs36291aa3b7b8f264@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/20/07, Charlene Sims <char@themasterspress.com> wrote:
>
> I hate changes........ I think I am getting old.  What was wrong with the
> good ole PMS


I say it's about time! Like King Derwin o Didd in Dr. Seuss'
"Bartholomew and the Oobleck" (my favorite book in 1950 or so) who was
tired of rain, hail, sun, fog, sleet and snow and had his wise men
conjure up green gooey oobleck to fall from the sky, I have looked at
the PMS book for years wishing for oobleck colors -- something new
under the sun. If I were a designer, I'd probably start using them
right away!


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com

====================================
Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to
criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.
                                                     ~ Lord Bacon
From swiftyprinting at mac.com  Fri Sep 21 07:35:09 2007
From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck)
Date: Fri Sep 21 07:35:27 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] New PMS colors
In-Reply-To: <002701c7fbca$1d071f00$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
References: <001a01c7fbbe$e2bbe070$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
	<58386D97-5C0A-4EE7-98A0-35C86EC7DC02@mac.com>
	<002701c7fbca$1d071f00$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
Message-ID: <A195BB17-3820-4821-B708-4DD24C7CFE49@mac.com>


On Sep 20, 2007, at 5:06 PM, Charlene Sims wrote:

> Chuck I had not even thought of that aspect.  We might not want to  
> change
> But as designers or especially people who think they are designers  
> start
> using those colors, that is what they are going to be looking for.   
> The
> person asking me this was a designer at a large church we do a lot of
> printing for.

Change is good and we will be happy to print the new colors. (We all  
remember the "new" pastel charts, right...those went well). Just  
think of the "New" upcharge and mixing fee you can now charge and  
have a good explanation to charge for it. More dollars for us. You  
can recoup that $500-$1200 Goe chart and mixing book charge in just a  
few jobs.
I look at it also as a selling point. Just because a designer wants  
it, doesn't make it right for the customer. If the customer prints  
pieces 4 color/spot/offset and digital then they need to think about  
how the color will cross over on all platforms. I have not seen a  
Pantone book showing the cmyk equivalents yet (do they have one for  
GOE as they do for PMS?). The new colors are also a time to educate  
the customer on when and what to use for their needs.

Chuck Pappas
Arlington Swifty Printing
1386 Massachusetts Avenue
Arlington, MA 02476
781-646-8700
www.arlingtonswifty.com
From char at themasterspress.com  Fri Sep 21 10:25:31 2007
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Fri Sep 21 10:25:54 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] New PMS colors
In-Reply-To: <46F2F0A0.31876.1006260@slb.inkspot.net>
References: <58386D97-5C0A-4EE7-98A0-35C86EC7DC02@mac.com>
	<46F2F0A0.31876.1006260@slb.inkspot.net>
Message-ID: <00f801c7fc5b$459bf260$0b01a8c0@CharXP>

:-)  Funny man.
You better duck.

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 9:14 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] New PMS colors

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

> I think I am getting old.  What was wrong with the
> good ole PMS
> ch
> 

Did I miss something here? Is Charlene longing for PMS? <g>

Steve
(ducking and running for cover, but it was too good a line to pass 
up...)

Steve Blatman
Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
Tel: 610-647-0776
Fax: 610-647-4560

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From char at themasterspress.com  Fri Sep 21 10:39:43 2007
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Fri Sep 21 10:40:22 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions
In-Reply-To: <020701c7fbdd$27983860$1700a8c0@abf.local>
References: <BAY135-DAV10154EBA2CFC1CB9AE08CBEBB90@phx.gbl><GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHIEDGJEAA.ron@printingconcepts.com><00ca01c7fb1e$2d68ebf0$1700a8c0@abf.local><003401c7fbcb$33799f50$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
	<020701c7fbdd$27983860$1700a8c0@abf.local>
Message-ID: <010501c7fc5d$3fb7b2b0$0b01a8c0@CharXP>

Yes Kevin.  You can join NAQP for a merely $465 and that is just one of the
benefits that you will get.  You can get the pricing before you join but to
get the deal you must be a member.  You can go to www.naqp.com and check out
other benefits.  You can also get a 10% discount on all your labels from
Discount Labels.  That in itself pays more than my membership fees each
year.  Please feel free to call if you have any questions.  Would love to
chat with you.  I am somewhat prejudice since I am the incoming Chairman
next year but have been a member for 30 years and I believe I would not
still be in business if not the things I have learned from being a member.
You can call Chuck Slaughter and he can give you the NAQP pricing and
clicks. He is the NAQP rep.  214.697.3455 is his cell phone number.  Tell
him I told you to call him.  

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Danko
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 6:23 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Charlene, I am not a member of NAQP. Can I still get info from them on
copier pricing?

Kevin Danko
Advantage Business Forms
102 N. Riverside Ave.
Rialto, CA 92376
Phone: (909) 875-7163
Fax: (909) 875-7971
www.abfprints.com
E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com



From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Fri Sep 21 11:10:37 2007
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Fri Sep 21 11:10:00 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions
In-Reply-To: <010501c7fc5d$3fb7b2b0$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
References: <BAY135-DAV10154EBA2CFC1CB9AE08CBEBB90@phx.gbl><GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHIEDGJEAA.ron@printingconcepts.com><00ca01c7fb1e$2d68ebf0$1700a8c0@abf.local><003401c7fbcb$33799f50$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
	<020701c7fbdd$27983860$1700a8c0@abf.local>
	<010501c7fc5d$3fb7b2b0$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
Message-ID: <2D173ACE-1CC9-4FDA-964A-F91343C3C8A1@falconprintandcopy.com>

WHAT?  We get 10% off at discount labels.  I'm heading to the website!

Borzou
Falcon Print and Copy
1921 Gallows Road
Vienna, VA 22182
703.442.0124



On Sep 21, 2007, at 10:39 AM, Charlene Sims wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Yes Kevin.  You can join NAQP for a merely $465 and that is just  
> one of the
> benefits that you will get.  You can get the pricing before you  
> join but to
> get the deal you must be a member.  You can go to www.naqp.com and  
> check out
> other benefits.  You can also get a 10% discount on all your labels  
> from
> Discount Labels.  That in itself pays more than my membership fees  
> each
> year.  Please feel free to call if you have any questions.  Would  
> love to
> chat with you.  I am somewhat prejudice since I am the incoming  
> Chairman
> next year but have been a member for 30 years and I believe I would  
> not
> still be in business if not the things I have learned from being a  
> member.
> You can call Chuck Slaughter and he can give you the NAQP pricing and
> clicks. He is the NAQP rep.  214.697.3455 is his cell phone  
> number.  Tell
> him I told you to call him.
>
> Charlene Sims
>
> The Master's Press, Inc
> 14550 Midway Road
> Dallas, Tx  75244
> 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
> char@themasterspress.com
> www.themasterspress.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Danko
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 6:23 PM
> To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
> Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Charlene, I am not a member of NAQP. Can I still get info from them on
> copier pricing?
>
> Kevin Danko
> Advantage Business Forms
> 102 N. Riverside Ave.
> Rialto, CA 92376
> Phone: (909) 875-7163
> Fax: (909) 875-7971
> www.abfprints.com
> E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com
>
>
>
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From kevin at abfprints.com  Fri Sep 21 11:18:35 2007
From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko)
Date: Fri Sep 21 11:22:11 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions
In-Reply-To: <010501c7fc5d$3fb7b2b0$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
References: <BAY135-DAV10154EBA2CFC1CB9AE08CBEBB90@phx.gbl><GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHIEDGJEAA.ron@printingconcepts.com><00ca01c7fb1e$2d68ebf0$1700a8c0@abf.local><003401c7fbcb$33799f50$0b01a8c0@CharXP><020701c7fbdd$27983860$1700a8c0@abf.local>
	<010501c7fc5d$3fb7b2b0$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
Message-ID: <006701c7fc62$aff48260$1700a8c0@abf.local>

Thanks Charlene! Next time I get to the Dallas area I would love to stop by
and visit your shop and take you to lunch.

Kevin Danko
Advantage Business Forms 
102 N. Riverside Ave.
Rialto, CA 92376
Phone: (909) 875-7163
Fax: (909) 875-7971
www.abfprints.com
E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 7:40 AM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Yes Kevin.  You can join NAQP for a merely $465 and that is just one of the
benefits that you will get.  You can get the pricing before you join but to
get the deal you must be a member.  You can go to www.naqp.com and check out
other benefits.  You can also get a 10% discount on all your labels from
Discount Labels.  That in itself pays more than my membership fees each
year.  Please feel free to call if you have any questions.  Would love to
chat with you.  I am somewhat prejudice since I am the incoming Chairman
next year but have been a member for 30 years and I believe I would not
still be in business if not the things I have learned from being a member.
You can call Chuck Slaughter and he can give you the NAQP pricing and
clicks. He is the NAQP rep.  214.697.3455 is his cell phone number.  Tell
him I told you to call him.  

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Danko
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 6:23 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Charlene, I am not a member of NAQP. Can I still get info from them on
copier pricing?

Kevin Danko
Advantage Business Forms
102 N. Riverside Ave.
Rialto, CA 92376
Phone: (909) 875-7163
Fax: (909) 875-7971
www.abfprints.com
E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com



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From char at themasterspress.com  Fri Sep 21 11:26:10 2007
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Fri Sep 21 11:26:30 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions
In-Reply-To: <006701c7fc62$aff48260$1700a8c0@abf.local>
References: <BAY135-DAV10154EBA2CFC1CB9AE08CBEBB90@phx.gbl><GFEELEOLMDNAFJFMAADHIEDGJEAA.ron@printingconcepts.com><00ca01c7fb1e$2d68ebf0$1700a8c0@abf.local><003401c7fbcb$33799f50$0b01a8c0@CharXP><020701c7fbdd$27983860$1700a8c0@abf.local><010501c7fc5d$3fb7b2b0$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
	<006701c7fc62$aff48260$1700a8c0@abf.local>
Message-ID: <014b01c7fc63$bd1832b0$0b01a8c0@CharXP>

Come on by to you and anyone else.  But if you are in Dallas, I will take
you to lunch.  I love having people here and can give you a tour of other
printers here also if you would like. 
ch

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Danko
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 10:19 AM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Thanks Charlene! Next time I get to the Dallas area I would love to stop by
and visit your shop and take you to lunch.

Kevin Danko
Advantage Business Forms 
102 N. Riverside Ave.
Rialto, CA 92376
Phone: (909) 875-7163
Fax: (909) 875-7971
www.abfprints.com
E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 7:40 AM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Yes Kevin.  You can join NAQP for a merely $465 and that is just one of the
benefits that you will get.  You can get the pricing before you join but to
get the deal you must be a member.  You can go to www.naqp.com and check out
other benefits.  You can also get a 10% discount on all your labels from
Discount Labels.  That in itself pays more than my membership fees each
year.  Please feel free to call if you have any questions.  Would love to
chat with you.  I am somewhat prejudice since I am the incoming Chairman
next year but have been a member for 30 years and I believe I would not
still be in business if not the things I have learned from being a member.
You can call Chuck Slaughter and he can give you the NAQP pricing and
clicks. He is the NAQP rep.  214.697.3455 is his cell phone number.  Tell
him I told you to call him.  

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Danko
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 6:23 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Color copier suggestions

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Charlene, I am not a member of NAQP. Can I still get info from them on
copier pricing?

Kevin Danko
Advantage Business Forms
102 N. Riverside Ave.
Rialto, CA 92376
Phone: (909) 875-7163
Fax: (909) 875-7971
www.abfprints.com
E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com



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From cpress at northnet.org  Fri Sep 21 11:26:27 2007
From: cpress at northnet.org (David Charleson)
Date: Fri Sep 21 11:26:50 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Intel Mac Transition
Message-ID: <46F3E2A3.4060202@northnet.org>

Hello,
I need to have my memory refreshed. How compatible are Quark 6.5 and 
Adobe CS1 applications on an Intel Mac? I am possibly thinking of 
upgrading one of our workstations to the new Mac so i can output 
Publisher files from the Windows side of the computer also . We are 
going to enroll in Adobes service provider program soon
and can upgrade to Quark 7 too. But i cant spend that kind of money 
right at this moment....so i guess i need to address which is better 
...getting the software first, or the computer first. What did some of 
you do during your transition?

Thanks,

David Charleson
President
Commercial Press Inc.
216 Cowan Rd
Canton NY 13617
P 315.386.3431
F 315.386.5259
cpress@northnet.org
www.commercialpressink.com
From swiftyprinting at mac.com  Fri Sep 21 11:51:28 2007
From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck)
Date: Fri Sep 21 11:51:41 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Intel Mac Transition
In-Reply-To: <46F3E2A3.4060202@northnet.org>
References: <46F3E2A3.4060202@northnet.org>
Message-ID: <23072230-65C9-4ED5-B5F0-B8E9C55C1CC5@mac.com>


On Sep 21, 2007, at 11:26 AM, David Charleson wrote:

> I need to have my memory refreshed. How compatible are Quark 6.5  
> and Adobe CS1 applications on an Intel Mac? I am possibly thinking  
> of upgrading one of our workstations to the new Mac so i can output  
> Publisher files from the Windows side of the computer also . We are  
> going to enroll in Adobes service provider program soon
> and can upgrade to Quark 7 too. But i cant spend that kind of money  
> right at this moment....so i guess i need to address which is  
> better ...getting the software first, or the computer first. What  
> did some of you do during your transition?

Besides Adobe's Program sign up for Quark Alliance, for the fee they  
will also send you their Print Collection tools. There seems to be  
some issues using Adobe's older versions on an Intel machine and I  
would suggest only CS3 on it. If you are upgrading to the new Intel  
Mac only do so if you can budget the new software also. Otherwise it  
is a waste of good dollars. We currently are switching every machine  
to be a dual machine. This way no one needs to play computer hop and  
it makes working more efficient.


Chuck Pappas
Arlington Swifty Printing
1386 Massachusetts Avenue
Arlington, MA 02476
781-646-8700
www.arlingtonswifty.com
From DanF at MMSNY.com  Fri Sep 21 11:57:01 2007
From: DanF at MMSNY.com (Dan Flatt)
Date: Fri Sep 21 11:53:55 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] KM bizhub PRO 1050
Message-ID: <A496437572132B4F9CE0AD1D591E969DBC5470@corningserver1.mmsny.com>

Ron,
We have 3 of the 1050's and we love them. One has stackers, one has the
folder and one has the bookletmaker.  Large paper feed trays are
awesome, bookletmaker is awesome and uptime is awesome.  The interface
is a little different from what we were used to but it works well.


Dan Flatt
vp/ owner
Multi Media Services 
11136-40 River Road
Corning, NY  14830
main 607-936-3186
CELL 607-331-7217 PLEASE CALL MY CELL FIRST!
Fax 877-684-3043
www.mmsny.com
 
Isn't it time that you had a business printer printing for your
business?
 
Other contacts:
Rick Bartholomew    owner                     607-769-8111
David Jackson         manager                  607-331-5422
Dick Shelford           Sunset Operations  607-331-5775
Patty Carlson           Strategic accounts  607-331-5314
Suzie Bartholomew Strategic accounts  607-331-5314
Dave Satterly           IR operations          570-882-0485
Ralph Begeal            CSR                         607-331-5572
Steve Mullen           CSR                         607-936-3186
Margaret Puffer       CSR / mailing          607-936-3186
Rose Flatt                 Design                    607-331-1555
Emily Colletta           Design                    607-331-7068 
Judy Pruyne             Design                    607-331-5963
 
 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 11:38 AM
To: printowners
Subject: [PrintOwners] KM bizhub PRO 1050


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

We are considering installing a KM 1050 PRO black & white printer.  Does
anyone on this list have this model and could you comment on reliability
and
how it handles card stock?   We like the booklet maker (does up to 200
page
books) with face trimmer so that seems to eliminate a lot of competitors
out there.

Any competitors to this machine you would suggest?




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Ron Taggart, President
PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC.
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www.printingconcepts.com
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From stephen at plazaprint.com  Fri Sep 21 12:08:24 2007
From: stephen at plazaprint.com (Stephen Sham)
Date: Fri Sep 21 12:08:44 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] KM bizhub PRO 1050
In-Reply-To: <A496437572132B4F9CE0AD1D591E969DBC5470@corningserver1.mmsny.com>
References: <A496437572132B4F9CE0AD1D591E969DBC5470@corningserver1.mmsny.com>
Message-ID: <46F3EC78.9040104@plazaprint.com>

Dan,

Could you share with us the cost equipment (purchase or lease) and the 
cost of operation (click charge and supplies)

Thanks.

-- 

Stephen Sham
Plaza Printing
126 E. Valley Blvd.
Alhambra, CA 91801 USA
626-576-0209
626-576-0433 fax

From oren66 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Sep 21 12:13:53 2007
From: oren66 at sbcglobal.net (Arie Teomi)
Date: Fri Sep 21 12:14:29 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Church Mailing List
Message-ID: <682634.14201.qm@web83414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I need a list of United methodist churches in several
zip codes.
My regular list provider came up with a low number.
The customer says he knows for sure that there are
more than 3 times as much.

Any Idea who can sell more accurate lists?

Thanks
Arie

Arie Teomi 
MINUTEMAN PRESS 
23500 Mercantile Suite F
  Cleveland, OH 44122 
P:216-464-1960 
F:216-464-1660 

www.minutemancleveland.com
  
Your Full Service 
PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner

From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Fri Sep 21 12:43:30 2007
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Fri Sep 21 12:44:04 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Church Mailing List
Message-ID: <c8b.166b48a7.34254eb2@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 9/21/2007 12:16:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
oren66@sbcglobal.net writes:

I need a  list of United methodist churches in several
zip codes.
My regular list  provider came up with a low number.
The customer says he knows for sure  that there are
more than 3 times as much.

Any Idea who can sell more  accurate lists?




I would suggest going to: _www.unitedmethodist.org_ 
(http://www.unitedmethodist.org)  website and  then under ask question send them a brief email and find 
out if the list is  available directly from them? I tried a search at 
_http://unitedmethodist.org/fac/_ (http://unitedmethodist.org/fac/)  for  Melbourne, 
FL 32901 and it returned 5-6 churches but not in an easy to covert to  list 
format.
 
John  Stewart
The Quick Consultant
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
321-727-2442
FAX  321-727-2166
Cell: 321-794-6259
2110 S. Dairy Road 
West Melbourne, FL  32904

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From jgross at techiowa.com  Fri Sep 21 12:46:42 2007
From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross)
Date: Fri Sep 21 12:47:14 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel or Access data merge
Message-ID: <000001c7fc6e$fd878e30$1e00000a@tech.local>

We have a monthly need to merge a data list into an existing excel spread
sheet.  We have a list of accounts in excel showing among other things, a
unique account number and monthly sales by that account.  Our accounting
system exports a report of current monthly sales and account numbers.  This
list varies from the excel list because of new accounts, closed accounts etc
so a cut and paste doesn't work.

 

Is there a function in excel that would match by account numbers and add the
sales figure to the sheet?

 

I believe that access will handle this function when the account number is a
"key" field in both tables, but we haven't figured this one out either.

 

Any suggestions or references would be appreciated and earn a beer or two in
Chicago next fall.  Thanks

 

John A. Gross

Technigraphics, Inc.

PO Box 1846

Iowa City, Iowa 52244

jgross@techiowa.com

 

From slb at inkspot.net  Fri Sep 21 12:51:24 2007
From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman)
Date: Fri Sep 21 12:51:52 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Church Mailing List
In-Reply-To: <682634.14201.qm@web83414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46F3BE4C.18783.31FEAF2@slb.inkspot.net>

Since many of them include the words "United Methodist Church" in 
their name, perhaps a goole search would get you what you need.

JAT,
Steve


> 
> I need a list of United methodist churches in several
> zip codes.
> My regular list provider came up with a low number.
> The customer says he knows for sure that there are
> more than 3 times as much.
> 
> Any Idea who can sell more accurate lists?
> 
> Thanks
> Arie
> 
> Arie Teomi 
> MINUTEMAN PRESS 
> 23500 Mercantile Suite F
>   Cleveland, OH 44122 
> P:216-464-1960 
> F:216-464-1660 
> 
> www.minutemancleveland.com
>   
> Your Full Service 
> PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> 

Steve Blatman
Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
Tel: 610-647-0776
Fax: 610-647-4560

From DanF at MMSNY.com  Fri Sep 21 12:56:11 2007
From: DanF at MMSNY.com (Dan Flatt)
Date: Fri Sep 21 12:53:10 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] KM bizhub PRO 1050
Message-ID: <A496437572132B4F9CE0AD1D591E969D077ED7@corningserver1.mmsny.com>

We bought ours from Eastern Copy Products (Global) who have been bought
by XEROX.
We have a 100,000 copy per month minimum although all 3 are pooled
together for overages (so our minimum is 300,000 in total from the three
machines so if one is high and one is low we are not penalized.
Out rate is $.0035 per 12x18 sheet (or smaller).
We run mostly A3 size paper which is like 11x17 and we use these for
short run booklets and printing the guts for perfect bound books as our
books range from 88 to 106 pages and we only have a 40 bin collator so
the guts are printed N-UP on A3 (same page up 2, 4, 6 or 8 times)
collated. All we have to do it cut the pages down and feed the perfect
binder (covers are printed separately).

This machine will print on 100# dull text like it was 20# bond... 

The price for the three with the below options is around $4,700 per
month (60 months)
1 stacker and base finisher  and extra set of 3 feed trays (5 total)
1 folding unit plus base finisher and extra set of 3 feed trays (5
total)
1 booklet maker plus base finisher and extra set of 3 feed trays (5
total)
All are connected using the postscript rip.

I use a cost of $.01 for equipment, plus $.0125 for overhead and labor
allocation, and $.0035 for click as my base cost excluding paper or
$.026 per copy or $.013 per letter-up), $.0065 per statement (4-up). 

Hope this helps. 

Dan Flatt
vp/ owner
Multi Media Services 
11136-40 River Road
Corning, NY  14830
main 607-936-3186
CELL 607-331-7217 PLEASE CALL MY CELL FIRST!
Fax 877-684-3043
www.mmsny.com
 
Isn't it time that you had a business printer printing for your
business?
 
Other contacts:
Rick Bartholomew    owner                     607-769-8111
David Jackson         manager                  607-331-5422
Dick Shelford           Sunset Operations  607-331-5775
Patty Carlson           Strategic accounts  607-331-5314
Suzie Bartholomew Strategic accounts  607-331-5314
Dave Satterly           IR operations          570-882-0485
Ralph Begeal            CSR                         607-331-5572
Steve Mullen           CSR                         607-936-3186
Margaret Puffer       CSR / mailing          607-936-3186
Rose Flatt                 Design                    607-331-1555
Emily Colletta           Design                    607-331-7068 
Judy Pruyne             Design                    607-331-5963
 
 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Sham
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 12:08 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] KM bizhub PRO 1050


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Dan,

Could you share with us the cost equipment (purchase or lease) and the 
cost of operation (click charge and supplies)

Thanks.

-- 

Stephen Sham
Plaza Printing
126 E. Valley Blvd.
Alhambra, CA 91801 USA
626-576-0209
626-576-0433 fax

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From keli at parchmentpress.net  Fri Sep 21 12:57:59 2007
From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie)
Date: Fri Sep 21 12:58:06 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Page analysis
Message-ID: <46F3F817.7040408@parchmentpress.net>

Hello,
In cost analyzing for a new printer many have costs based on 5% or 20% 
coverage.
Does anyone know a program that gives the % for each CMYK?

Does acrobat or pitstop do it?

thanks,
Michael Markuson (aka Keli)
Parchment Press
52 S River St
Coxsackie, NY 12051



From mail at myprinter.biz  Fri Sep 21 13:21:36 2007
From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz)
Date: Fri Sep 21 13:21:13 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel or Access data merge
In-Reply-To: <000001c7fc6e$fd878e30$1e00000a@tech.local>
Message-ID: <BEEIIPIOGLPLKIAABOLAAEIKDAAA.mail@myprinter.biz>

Is there a function in excel that would match by account numbers and add the
sales figure to the sheet?

John

John -

You might be able to pull this off by having a couple of worksheet is the
same workbook and linking cell in the using "if" arguments/condition, but it
might also be an SOB to write the arguments.  Might even required (or be
very helpful to have) a third worksheet into which to integrate the data

If you'll send me a sample of the worksheet into which you want the data
integrated and another showing a sample the data to be integrated, I'll take
a look at it for you.  (Both MUST show the account numbers, even if they
differ.)

Dan
Sir Speedy Printing Center
5845 Hollywood Boulevard
Hollywood, FL 33021
t 954.962.1309
f 954.962.1366
dan@myprinter.biz
www.myprinter.biz





-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Gross
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 12:47 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel or Access data merge


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

We have a monthly need to merge a data list into an existing excel spread
sheet.  We have a list of accounts in excel showing among other things, a
unique account number and monthly sales by that account.  Our accounting
system exports a report of current monthly sales and account numbers.  This
list varies from the excel list because of new accounts, closed accounts etc
so a cut and paste doesn't work.



Is there a function in excel that would match by account numbers and add the
sales figure to the sheet?



I believe that access will handle this function when the account number is a
"key" field in both tables, but we haven't figured this one out either.



Any suggestions or references would be appreciated and earn a beer or two in
Chicago next fall.  Thanks



John A. Gross

Technigraphics, Inc.

PO Box 1846

Iowa City, Iowa 52244

jgross@techiowa.com



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From pressexpress at bfm.org  Fri Sep 21 13:28:52 2007
From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter)
Date: Fri Sep 21 13:29:52 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Intel Mac Transition
In-Reply-To: <46F3E2A3.4060202@northnet.org>
References: <46F3E2A3.4060202@northnet.org>
Message-ID: <0F18C9DD-95C8-4721-AFB6-967A180A0122@bfm.org>

The one downside about this business is that we have repurchase our  
technology (solftare-copiers,etc) every 4-5 years at a tune of  
thousands of dollars.
On Sep 21, 2007, at 10:26 AM, David Charleson wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Hello,
> I need to have my memory refreshed. How compatible are Quark 6.5  
> and Adobe CS1 applications on an Intel Mac? I am possibly thinking  
> of upgrading one of our workstations to the new Mac so i can output  
> Publisher files from the Windows side of the computer also . We are  
> going to enroll in Adobes service provider program soon
> and can upgrade to Quark 7 too. But i cant spend that kind of money  
> right at this moment....so i guess i need to address which is  
> better ...getting the software first, or the computer first. What  
> did some of you do during your transition?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David Charleson
> President
> Commercial Press Inc.
> 216 Cowan Rd
> Canton NY 13617
> P 315.386.3431
> F 315.386.5259
> cpress@northnet.org
> www.commercialpressink.com
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Press Express
1869 N. Stevens St.
Rhinelander, WI 54501
Phone 715-362-2828
Fax 715-369-2828
info@pressexpress.org




From swiftyprinting at mac.com  Fri Sep 21 13:46:16 2007
From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck)
Date: Fri Sep 21 13:46:42 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46 ink lay down question
In-Reply-To: <0F18C9DD-95C8-4721-AFB6-967A180A0122@bfm.org>
References: <46F3E2A3.4060202@northnet.org>
	<0F18C9DD-95C8-4721-AFB6-967A180A0122@bfm.org>
Message-ID: <D37A8221-924B-4A35-97DE-8C17B609D3E9@mac.com>

Since my pressman is an idiot....

which Unit lays down the ink first on the QM46? Don't even ask it is  
Friday and I am already at my wits end.

And as a layman if you answer by unit let me know which unit is  
considered 1 and which is 2 (I think unit 1 is by the delivery end  
and unit 2 is the feed end?).

Thanks


Chuck Pappas
Arlington Swifty Printing
1386 Massachusetts Avenue
Arlington, MA 02476
781-646-8700
www.arlingtonswifty.com
From John at mpcny.com  Fri Sep 21 14:01:13 2007
From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry)
Date: Fri Sep 21 14:01:59 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Fedex/Kinkos underpreforms
Message-ID: <005401c7fc79$66363760$32a2a620$@com>

My take is FedEx is finding running a copy group far harder than ever
imagined.


http://www.graphicartsonline.com/article/CA6480639.html?nid=3470&source=titl
e

-- Graphic Arts Online, 9/21/2007 9:41:00 AM
FedEx released its Q1 results, but burying the performance of its struggling
Kinko?s printing unit within a new segment, FedEx Services?which includes
FedEx Kinko?s, FedEx Global Supply Chain Services and FedEx Customer
Information Services. Analysts say the move will keep FedEx from having to
reveal details about its Kinko's business that rival UPS does not report
about its UPS Stores.

The company said it changed the way it reports income from FedEx Kinko's
because it now contributes $900 million in package shipments for FedEx's
transportation companies, and because FedEx Service has responsibility for
sales and marketing companywide.


FedEx did report that Kinko?s copy product revenues declined and that
revenues for the new unit were flat. 


The company said it will continue to invest in its multi-year plan to open
new FedEx Kinko's locations and enhance its integrated digital document
service network to become a back office for local businesses and traveling
professionals. The company opened 90 centers in the first quarter.


Q1 profits for the entire company were up 4% to $494 million on revenue of
$9.2 billion. 


John M. Henry
Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
125-129 East First Street
Oswego, New York 13126
(315) 343-3531
(315) 343-3577 Fax
www.mpcny.com
John@mpcny.com
We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider
Microsoft Publisher Service Provider
 We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and
Standard 
Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to 
mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!!

 


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From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Fri Sep 21 14:02:42 2007
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Fri Sep 21 14:03:14 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel or Access data merge
Message-ID: <bce.1e00e6d3.34256142@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 9/21/2007 1:26:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
mail@myprinter.biz writes:

"if"  arguments/condition, but it
might also be an SOB to write the  arguments.


John,
 
It definitely can be done, but as Dan said, you would need a series of "If"  
statements.
 
First, you would import new list adjacent to old list. This assumes that  
both sets of data have been sorted first by account #.
 
Then in a third set of matching columns you would have to do some  
checking..... basically, the arguments would first say, check acct # in col A to  see if 
it matches acct # in col F.... if it does, then enter that in column  M.... 
then you would repeat that argument for customer name, and then account  
balance. I am assuming you are merging current balances against older balances  and 
want to know what the current overall balance is? The last argument would  
basically say, if amount B is the same as amount A the put amount A in column,  
if it does not match subtract one from the other to give current balance.
 
If the account numbers or names don't match you can have column say "New  
Customer" or whatever. With a sort, you would put all the new customers at the  
bottom of the list... it is really hard to see what you are trying to do, and  
how much more automated this could be without seeing the data you are working  
with... I'm also a bit suspicious as to why it needs to go into Excel... some 
 accounting function that your accounting program cannot provide?
 
John  Stewart
The Quick Consultant
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
321-727-2442
FAX  321-727-2166
Cell: 321-794-6259
2110 S. Dairy Road 
West Melbourne, FL  32904

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From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com  Fri Sep 21 14:27:00 2007
From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com)
Date: Fri Sep 21 14:27:28 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Fedex/Kinkos underpreforms
Message-ID: <bdf.1c62edb6.342566f4@aol.com>

I just read the same thing.  I read it out loud for my troops  here.  They 
all got a kick out of it.  My main counter person joked  about it....her quote 
was.  Should we still send annoying customers to  them  : )
 
Tommy Melendez
 
 
Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
3612 E. Tremont  Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
NAQP Member  #1031539
718.904.7760
718.892.2315 Fax
_www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) 




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From dennisewing at satx.rr.com  Fri Sep 21 14:31:41 2007
From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing)
Date: Fri Sep 21 14:30:44 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46 ink lay down question
In-Reply-To: <D37A8221-924B-4A35-97DE-8C17B609D3E9@mac.com>
References: <46F3E2A3.4060202@northnet.org>
	<0F18C9DD-95C8-4721-AFB6-967A180A0122@bfm.org>
	<D37A8221-924B-4A35-97DE-8C17B609D3E9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <46F40E0D.3010207@satx.rr.com>

Printing unit 2 is over the feeder and lays down ink LAST. That is why 
you always put your light color in printing unit 1 (The main press unit) 
to reduce color transfer from the dark ink. Feel free to call me if you 
can't make him see it. I've only been running presses for 32 years and 
don't' really know much. :->

Dennis W. Ewing Sr
Ewing and Sons Printing
12000 Crownpoint, #130
San Antonio, TX 78233
dennisewing@satx.rr.com
ewingandsons@satx.rr.com
210/650-5311
210/650-9916 Fax



Chuck wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Since my pressman is an idiot....
>
> which Unit lays down the ink first on the QM46? Don't even ask it is 
> Friday and I am already at my wits end.
>
> And as a layman if you answer by unit let me know which unit is 
> considered 1 and which is 2 (I think unit 1 is by the delivery end and 
> unit 2 is the feed end?).
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Chuck Pappas
> Arlington Swifty Printing
> 1386 Massachusetts Avenue
> Arlington, MA 02476
> 781-646-8700
> www.arlingtonswifty.com
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
From John at mpcny.com  Fri Sep 21 14:50:34 2007
From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry)
Date: Fri Sep 21 14:51:10 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: QM46 ink lay down question 
In-Reply-To: <20070921180313.D48FBBAD875@rb.enter.net>
References: <20070921180313.D48FBBAD875@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c7fc80$4afda9e0$e0f8fda0$@com>

On my Ryobi and my 4 color h berg unit is the first one from the feeder, 2
is delivery. On our display board when you push 1st unit that is what comes
on. So you lose Chuck, but hey it is Friday, unless you're in some other
country where maybe Saturday or reading this tomorrow <G>

John M. Henry
Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
125-129 East First Street
Oswego, New York 13126
(315) 343-3531
(315) 343-3577 Fax
www.mpcny.com
John@mpcny.com

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From John at mpcny.com  Fri Sep 21 14:53:35 2007
From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry)
Date: Fri Sep 21 14:54:09 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Page analysis 
In-Reply-To: <20070921180313.D48FBBAD875@rb.enter.net>
References: <20070921180313.D48FBBAD875@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <000c01c7fc80$b6f6f5c0$24e4e140$@com>

Be where I have found EVERY TIME that you have to multiply 2-4 times the
cost of per page estimate. In fact make them guaranty the costs and see how
fast they back tract. Xerox has a tool that will tell you usage but it works
on the machine sending the file.

John M. Henry
Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
125-129 East First Street
Oswego, New York 13126
(315) 343-3531
(315) 343-3577 Fax
www.mpcny.com
John@mpcny.com

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From slb at inkspot.net  Fri Sep 21 16:31:47 2007
From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman)
Date: Fri Sep 21 16:32:11 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Fedex/Kinkos underpreforms
In-Reply-To: <005401c7fc79$66363760$32a2a620$@com>
Message-ID: <46F3F1F3.4493.23B075@slb.inkspot.net>

John,

You are likely correct, but we should be careful about the obvious 
temptation to be smug. If they ever figure out how to run the copy 
operation (and, given the depth of their management talent and 
sufficient time and motivation, they're likely to do so), we're 
likely to have a really serious competitor on our hands. OTOH, the 
more people try their service when they don't have it "together" yet, 
the harder the time they'll have convincing everyone to use them when 
they do, eventually, get it together...

Steve


> 
> My take is FedEx is finding running a copy group far harder than ever
> imagined.
> 
> 
> http://www.graphicartsonline.com/article/CA6480639.html?nid=3470&source=titl
> e
> 
> -- Graphic Arts Online, 9/21/2007 9:41:00 AM
> FedEx released its Q1 results, but burying the performance of its struggling
> Kinko´s printing unit within a new segment, FedEx Services-which includes
> FedEx Kinko´s, FedEx Global Supply Chain Services and FedEx Customer
> Information Services. Analysts say the move will keep FedEx from having to
> reveal details about its Kinko's business that rival UPS does not report
> about its UPS Stores.
> 
> The company said it changed the way it reports income from FedEx Kinko's
> because it now contributes $900 million in package shipments for FedEx's
> transportation companies, and because FedEx Service has responsibility for
> sales and marketing companywide.
> 
> 
> FedEx did report that Kinko´s copy product revenues declined and that
> revenues for the new unit were flat. 
> 
> 
> The company said it will continue to invest in its multi-year plan to open
> new FedEx Kinko's locations and enhance its integrated digital document
> service network to become a back office for local businesses and traveling
> professionals. The company opened 90 centers in the first quarter.
> 
> 
> Q1 profits for the entire company were up 4% to $494 million on revenue of
> $9.2 billion. 
> 
> 
> John M. Henry
> Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
> 125-129 East First Street
> Oswego, New York 13126
> (315) 343-3531
> (315) 343-3577 Fax
> www.mpcny.com
> John@mpcny.com
> We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider
> Microsoft Publisher Service Provider
>  We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and
> Standard 
> Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to 
> mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!!
> 
>  
> 
> 
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From char at themasterspress.com  Fri Sep 21 16:45:23 2007
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Fri Sep 21 16:46:02 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Fedex/Kinkos underpreforms
In-Reply-To: <46F3F1F3.4493.23B075@slb.inkspot.net>
References: <005401c7fc79$66363760$32a2a620$@com>
	<46F3F1F3.4493.23B075@slb.inkspot.net>
Message-ID: <01c201c7fc90$5837ca90$0b01a8c0@CharXP>

You know Steve you are right.  I think we should not get too smug.  I have
had some Kinko employees.  Have one right now that worked here and then went
to Kinko's so he could work at nite and take care of his baby in the day.
They have some really good and efficient systems.  They charge good prices
that I would love to get away with.  And they just do it, and for some dumb
reason people just pay them.  If they ever catch on to hiring good people
that can give good customer service and know something about printing they
could be dynamite.  My employee could work circles around 3 of theirs at any
given time.  Which would frustrate the heck out of him.  We have learned a
lot from him and ways they do things.  Especially the prices and way they
charge things.  They don't give away their time. Good People that you treat
well make my company.  Lack of good people who don't make squat makes up a
lot of Kinko's.  One day I think they will catch on.  But I hope not.
 

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com



From Loren at inkonpaper.biz  Fri Sep 21 17:29:07 2007
From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina)
Date: Fri Sep 21 17:29:50 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Intel Mac Transition
In-Reply-To: <46F3E2A3.4060202@northnet.org>
References: <46F3E2A3.4060202@northnet.org>
Message-ID: <94D15A67-4E78-4DA2-BCD8-146F6B03DC4E@inkonpaper.biz>

I run CS2 and Quark 6.0 on a Mac Mini - Intel with no ( minimum  
anyway) problems

Loren Maurina
President
L & L Printing, Inc.
dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp
dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren

ph (586) 263-0060
fx   (586) 263-4895

Loren@InkOnPaper.biz



On Sep 21, 2007, at 11:26 AM, David Charleson wrote:

> How compatible are Quark 6.5 and Adobe CS1 applications on an Intel  
> Mac?

From stephen at plazaprint.com  Fri Sep 21 17:40:30 2007
From: stephen at plazaprint.com (Stephen Sham)
Date: Fri Sep 21 17:40:56 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] KM bizhub PRO 1050
In-Reply-To: <A496437572132B4F9CE0AD1D591E969D077ED7@corningserver1.mmsny.com>
References: <A496437572132B4F9CE0AD1D591E969D077ED7@corningserver1.mmsny.com>
Message-ID: <46F43A4E.9050701@plazaprint.com>

Thank you, Dan, for sharing.

-- 

Stephen Sham
Plaza Printing
126 E. Valley Blvd.
Alhambra, CA 91801 USA
626-576-0209
626-576-0433 fax

From michael at hooperprinting.net  Fri Sep 21 17:53:15 2007
From: michael at hooperprinting.net (Michael Hooper)
Date: Fri Sep 21 17:53:34 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] New PMS colors
In-Reply-To: <03d801c7fbd1$9b168730$6d01a8c0@KELLY>
References: <001a01c7fbbe$e2bbe070$0b01a8c0@CharXP>
	<03d801c7fbd1$9b168730$6d01a8c0@KELLY>
Message-ID: <FAC44F28-6F2A-473F-9E59-3FB1D517B0C7@hooperprinting.net>

You need a different ink company. We use Braden Suftin. Standard  
colors $10-15 and PMS $36 per lb.

Michael Hooper
Hooper Printing
2125 Bowes rd.
Lowell, MI 49331
616-897-6719
michael@hooperprinting.net
http://www.hooperprinting.com




On Sep 20, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I think we'll all(offset printers) have to offer the new GOE colors
> eventually, but I don't see any reason to "change" to the new colors 
> (btw,
> these are not replacing(according to the Pantone rep at Graph Expo)  
> the
> Pantone PMS system. I think we will initially plan on ordering  
> mixed new
> color directly from our ink company. And not until we start  
> receiving orders
> on a regular basis will we bring in the 10 new mixing inks to be  
> able to mix
> our own.
> We currently charge $47 for a mix we do, and $80 for a custom mix  
> from the
> ink company.
>
> Also, we will all want to consider at least ordering the new Goe  
> ink guide,
> which includes a cd with the new colors to add into Adobe, Quark,  
> etc. For
> those of us who have digital machines, and do some sort of PMS  
> matching, we
> will have to wait for the RIP manufacturers to get out updates for  
> the color
> tables in the RIPs.
>
>
> Kelly Crom
> Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.
>
> We've Moved!!!
> 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
> Plymouth, MN  55441
> New Phone:  (763)231-6970
> kellycrom@gmail.com
> www.applied-graphics.com
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
>> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims
>> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:46 PM
>> To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
>> Subject: [PrintOwners] New PMS colors
>>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> Is anyone changing to the new PMS colors.  I wasn't even
>> thinking of it but
>> just had a customer asked me when I was changing.  Ugh.  Has
>> anyone done
>> this.
>> ch
>>
>> Charlene Sims
>>
>> The Master's Press, Inc
>> 14550 Midway Road
>> Dallas, Tx  75244
>> 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
>> char@themasterspress.com
>> www.themasterspress.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> PrintOwners Discussion List
>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>>
>
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From kellycrom at gmail.com  Fri Sep 21 18:03:35 2007
From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics)
Date: Fri Sep 21 18:03:38 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] New PMS colors
In-Reply-To: <FAC44F28-6F2A-473F-9E59-3FB1D517B0C7@hooperprinting.net>
References: <001a01c7fbbe$e2bbe070$0b01a8c0@CharXP><03d801c7fbd1$9b168730$6d01a8c0@KELLY>
	<FAC44F28-6F2A-473F-9E59-3FB1D517B0C7@hooperprinting.net>
Message-ID: <008f01c7fc9b$42d69cc0$6d01a8c0@KELLY>

You mis-read my post. We CHARGE our customers $47(standard or we mix) and
$80(special mix from ink supplier). Our ink cost(from the supplier) is about
the same on standard colors, and about $30/lb for PMS.

Kelly Crom
Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.

We've Moved!!!
2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
Plymouth, MN  55441
New Phone:  (763)231-6970
kellycrom@gmail.com
www.applied-graphics.com 

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org 
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Hooper
> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 4:53 PM
> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] New PMS colors
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> You need a different ink company. We use Braden Suftin. Standard  
> colors $10-15 and PMS $36 per lb.
> 
> Michael Hooper
> Hooper Printing
> 2125 Bowes rd.
> Lowell, MI 49331
> 616-897-6719
> michael@hooperprinting.net
> http://www.hooperprinting.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 20, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics wrote:
> 
> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> >
> > I think we'll all(offset printers) have to offer the new GOE colors
> > eventually, but I don't see any reason to "change" to the 
> new colors 
> > (btw,
> > these are not replacing(according to the Pantone rep at 
> Graph Expo)  
> > the
> > Pantone PMS system. I think we will initially plan on ordering  
> > mixed new
> > color directly from our ink company. And not until we start  
> > receiving orders
> > on a regular basis will we bring in the 10 new mixing inks to be  
> > able to mix
> > our own.
> > We currently charge $47 for a mix we do, and $80 for a custom mix  
> > from the
> > ink company.
> >
> > Also, we will all want to consider at least ordering the new Goe  
> > ink guide,
> > which includes a cd with the new colors to add into Adobe, Quark,  
> > etc. For
> > those of us who have digital machines, and do some sort of PMS  
> > matching, we
> > will have to wait for the RIP manufacturers to get out updates for  
> > the color
> > tables in the RIPs.
> >
> >
> > Kelly Crom
> > Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.
> >
> > We've Moved!!!
> > 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
> > Plymouth, MN  55441
> > New Phone:  (763)231-6970
> > kellycrom@gmail.com
> > www.applied-graphics.com
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
> >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of 
> Charlene Sims
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:46 PM
> >> To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
> >> Subject: [PrintOwners] New PMS colors
> >>
> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> >>
> >> Is anyone changing to the new PMS colors.  I wasn't even
> >> thinking of it but
> >> just had a customer asked me when I was changing.  Ugh.  Has
> >> anyone done
> >> this.
> >> ch
> >>
> >> Charlene Sims
> >>
> >> The Master's Press, Inc
> >> 14550 Midway Road
> >> Dallas, Tx  75244
> >> 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
> >> char@themasterspress.com
> >> www.themasterspress.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> PrintOwners Discussion List
> >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > PrintOwners Discussion List
> > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> >
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
> 

From lists at tudorprinters.co.uk  Sat Sep 22 18:01:11 2007
From: lists at tudorprinters.co.uk (Gavin Keffert)
Date: Sat Sep 22 18:01:43 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] QM46 ink lay down question
In-Reply-To: <46F40E0D.3010207@satx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <JDEOLBBMCJFBFIKABDCPKEHBDHAA.lists@tudorprinters.co.uk>

Dennis has it spot on - print unit 2 is over the feeder. A different
numbering sequence to most other presses but it makes sense if you think of
a single colour quickmaster, the only print unit is over the delivery so
should always be consistently numbered as unit 1 for both single and two
colour versions. Also print unit 1 lays ink down first (onto the blanket)
and should have the lighter coloured inks. Knockout your separations and
reduce your pre-ink revolutions can help to avoid ink migration.

Gavin Keffert
Tudor Printers
Worthing, West Sussex, UK.

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Dennis Ewing
Sent: 21 September 2007 19:32
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] QM46 ink lay down question


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Printing unit 2 is over the feeder and lays down ink LAST. That is why
you always put your light color in printing unit 1 (The main press unit)
to reduce color transfer from the dark ink. Feel free to call me if you
can't make him see it. I've only been running presses for 32 years and
don't' really know much. :->

Dennis W. Ewing Sr
Ewing and Sons Printing
12000 Crownpoint, #130
San Antonio, TX 78233
dennisewing@satx.rr.com
ewingandsons@satx.rr.com
210/650-5311
210/650-9916 Fax



Chuck wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Since my pressman is an idiot....
>
> which Unit lays down the ink first on the QM46? Don't even ask it is
> Friday and I am already at my wits end.
>
> And as a layman if you answer by unit let me know which unit is
> considered 1 and which is 2 (I think unit 1 is by the delivery end and
> unit 2 is the feed end?).
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Chuck Pappas
> Arlington Swifty Printing
> 1386 Massachusetts Avenue
> Arlington, MA 02476
> 781-646-8700
> www.arlingtonswifty.com
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
_______________________________________________
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Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners



From robin at protypeonline.com  Sun Sep 23 09:21:24 2007
From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold)
Date: Sun Sep 23 09:21:31 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Firefox vs. Safari ?
Message-ID: <755593FB-FC1F-4F52-826D-36C7CDBEA6A4@protypeonline.com>

I use a MacBook Pro, Intel Core Duo -- currently using safari for my  
web browser....any advantages to using firefox instead of safari?

Robin Niewold
Pro-Type Printing
130 N. Market Street
Paxton, IL 60957
217.379.4715
robin@protypeonline.com


From doug at vipprinting.com  Sun Sep 23 09:34:40 2007
From: doug at vipprinting.com (Douglas W. Rinnert)
Date: Sun Sep 23 09:39:10 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Firefox vs. Safari ?
In-Reply-To: <755593FB-FC1F-4F52-826D-36C7CDBEA6A4@protypeonline.com>
References: <755593FB-FC1F-4F52-826D-36C7CDBEA6A4@protypeonline.com>
Message-ID: <p06240800c31c19931f7b@[24.172.131.241]>

Robin,

I use a IMac  OS X 10.3.9 Power PC G5 and have safari & firefox.  On 
many sites I have less problems with firefox than safari.  On some 
sites I can't use safari such as Xerox won't accept online payments 
using safari but will with firefox.  I now use firefox most of the 
time.

My son who runs our graphics dept. just ordered a new MacBook Pro I 
ask him Monday what he is using.

Doug Rinnert
V.I.P. Printing & Design
9862 Crescent Park Drive
West Chester, Ohio 45069
513.777.7468 office
513.777.7459 fax
-- 
Doug Rinnert
V.I.P. Printing & Design
9862 Crescent Park Drive
West Chester, Ohio 45069
513.777.7468 office
513.777.7459 fax
513.623.6907 cell
From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Sun Sep 23 21:08:42 2007
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Sun Sep 23 21:08:06 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Intel Mac Transition
In-Reply-To: <23072230-65C9-4ED5-B5F0-B8E9C55C1CC5@mac.com>
References: <46F3E2A3.4060202@northnet.org>
	<23072230-65C9-4ED5-B5F0-B8E9C55C1CC5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <31D957BB-A3F7-42A2-84A0-5AE9B67BB58D@falconprintandcopy.com>

We're running CS3 and 7.0 on our Intel-based Mac now, but we upgraded  
the hardware well before we upgraded the software.  Anything that  
runs on the old Macs still runs on the new ones, but is translated  
via Mac's Rosetta software.  The result is it all works, but not well  
as it would with the newer software that would communicate directly  
with the new processor.  Everything would run a little slower than it  
would with the upgraded software, and with CS2 its tough to keep all  
three programs open (one, that you're not using, usually crashes).   
Its annoying, but if you have to upgrade in phases its completely  
manageable.  Certainly not ideal, but only a minor inconvenience.  If  
you can find a way to at least get CS3 with it I'd strongly recommend  
it though.

Borzou Azabdaftari
Falcon Print and Copy
1921 Gallows Road
Suite 150
Vienna, VA 22182
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134
borzou@falconprintandcopy.com



On Sep 21, 2007, at 11:51 AM, Chuck wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2007, at 11:26 AM, David Charleson wrote:
>
>> I need to have my memory refreshed. How compatible are Quark 6.5  
>> and Adobe CS1 applications on an Intel Mac? I am possibly thinking  
>> of upgrading one of our workstations to the new Mac so i can  
>> output Publisher files from the Windows side of the computer  
>> also . We are going to enroll in Adobes service provider program soon
>> and can upgrade to Quark 7 too. But i cant spend that kind of  
>> money right at this moment....so i guess i need to address which  
>> is better ...getting the software first, or the computer first.  
>> What did some of you do during your transition?
>
> Besides Adobe's Program sign up for Quark Alliance, for the fee  
> they will also send you their Print Collection tools. There seems  
> to be some issues using Adobe's older versions on an Intel machine  
> and I would suggest only CS3 on it. If you are upgrading to the new  
> Intel Mac only do so if you can budget the new software also.  
> Otherwise it is a waste of good dollars. We currently are switching  
> every machine to be a dual machine. This way no one needs to play  
> computer hop and it makes working more efficient.
>
>
> Chuck Pappas
> Arlington Swifty Printing
> 1386 Massachusetts Avenue
> Arlington, MA 02476
> 781-646-8700
> www.arlingtonswifty.com
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>

From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Sun Sep 23 21:17:42 2007
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Sun Sep 23 21:16:52 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Firefox vs. Safari ?
In-Reply-To: <p06240800c31c19931f7b@[24.172.131.241]>
References: <755593FB-FC1F-4F52-826D-36C7CDBEA6A4@protypeonline.com>
	<p06240800c31c19931f7b@[24.172.131.241]>
Message-ID: <9D66AC1E-AC61-42DF-B630-57E05D60AA23@falconprintandcopy.com>

I pretty much concur here, if you're not seeing any problems with  
Safari, you're not having any.  There are certain sections of certain  
sites that Safari doesn't read properly, and certain sites that just  
don't work with Safari.  You'll either get a warning, or see  
something is clearly missing off the page if you're having a  
problem.  I use Firefox here, because it just doesn't have any of  
those problems, and I don't have to guess.


Borzou Azabdaftari
Falcon Print and Copy
1921 Gallows Road
Suite 150
Vienna, VA 22182
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134
borzou@falconprintandcopy.com



On Sep 23, 2007, at 9:34 AM, Douglas W. Rinnert wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Robin,
>
> I use a IMac  OS X 10.3.9 Power PC G5 and have safari & firefox.   
> On many sites I have less problems with firefox than safari.  On  
> some sites I can't use safari such as Xerox won't accept online  
> payments using safari but will with firefox.  I now use firefox  
> most of the time.
>
> My son who runs our graphics dept. just ordered a new MacBook Pro I  
> ask him Monday what he is using.
>
> Doug Rinnert
> V.I.P. Printing & Design
> 9862 Crescent Park Drive
> West Chester, Ohio 45069
> 513.777.7468 office
> 513.777.7459 fax
> -- 
> Doug Rinnert
> V.I.P. Printing & Design
> 9862 Crescent Park Drive
> West Chester, Ohio 45069
> 513.777.7468 office
> 513.777.7459 fax
> 513.623.6907 cell
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>

From ssheers at sheergraphics.com  Mon Sep 24 10:43:33 2007
From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers)
Date: Mon Sep 24 10:39:56 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Firefox vs. Safari ?
In-Reply-To: <20070923160002.5A06EBB8B93@rb.enter.net>
References: <20070923160002.5A06EBB8B93@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <f5796743c40ef98f774de39d666b58bd@sheergraphics.com>

Firefox reacts better with some websites. We use both, but primarily 
Safari.

In Firefox, the up and down arrows on an Apple keyboard do NOT take the 
cursor to the beginning or the end of a field.

I guess that's a Windoze hangover.

> I use a MacBook Pro, Intel Core Duo -- currently using safari for my 
> web browser....any advantages to using firefox instead of safari?

Please reply to Simon Sheers at:
<ssheers@sheergraphics.com>

Sheer Graphics Inc.
47 Chestnut Avenue,
Westmont, IL 60559-1127
Tel: (630) 654-4422
<http://www.sheergraphics.com>
Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more
From kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com  Mon Sep 24 11:27:50 2007
From: kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com (Kirk Squiers)
Date: Mon Sep 24 11:30:37 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Out source needed for Calendars
Message-ID: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111D52F@fpserver.FP.local>

Anybody have a preferred vendor for Calendars?


Kirk K. Squiers
Central Michigan Graphics
1200 E. Oakland
Lansing, Michigan 48906
www.centralmichigangraphics.com
517-230-8600
kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com
-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- to:
'Discussion 








From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Mon Sep 24 11:47:48 2007
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Mon Sep 24 11:47:13 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Out source needed for Calendars
In-Reply-To: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111D52F@fpserver.FP.local>
References: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111D52F@fpserver.FP.local>
Message-ID: <AC6A5757-A7BF-4B92-99CE-378479C549F2@falconprintandcopy.com>

www.4overtrade.com

You can get 1,000 on text for $2.54 each on text, $3.21 on 100#  
cover.  Available in 14 pt and 16 pt cover too! (Do I sound like work  
there, I should).  Make sure you get a shipping quote though, it can  
be pricey, especially if they want it quickly.

Thanks,

Borzou Azabdaftari
Falcon Print and Copy
1921 Gallows Road
Suite 150
Vienna, VA 22182
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134
borzou@falconprintandcopy.com



On Sep 24, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Kirk Squiers wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Anybody have a preferred vendor for Calendars?
>
>
> Kirk K. Squiers
> Central Michigan Graphics
> 1200 E. Oakland
> Lansing, Michigan 48906
> www.centralmichigangraphics.com
> 517-230-8600
> kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- to:
> 'Discussion
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From kevin at abfprints.com  Mon Sep 24 12:04:20 2007
From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko)
Date: Mon Sep 24 12:08:14 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Out source needed for Calendars
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norwood.com  

Kevin Danko
Advantage Business Forms 
102 N. Riverside Ave.
Rialto, CA 92376
Phone: (909) 875-7163
Fax: (909) 875-7971
www.abfprints.com
E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com
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[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kirk Squiers
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:28 AM
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Subject: [PrintOwners] Out source needed for Calendars

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Anybody have a preferred vendor for Calendars?


Kirk K. Squiers
Central Michigan Graphics
1200 E. Oakland
Lansing, Michigan 48906
www.centralmichigangraphics.com
517-230-8600
kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com
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From jdaghir at gmail.com  Mon Sep 24 12:10:57 2007
From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir)
Date: Mon Sep 24 12:12:21 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Out source needed for Calendars
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Message-ID: <83d5b9620709240910t472bbccfx841848d94065e676@mail.gmail.com>

It's been a while since I ordered from them, but we use Goes
Lithography in Chicago (same Goes that does the stock certificates):

http://www.goeslitho.com/

-- 
Jeff Daghir
MPS Printing, Inc.
"The Ink & Paper People"
Madison, IN
www.mpsprinting.com
jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com


Kirk said:
> Anybody have a preferred vendor for Calendars?
From mail at myprinter.biz  Mon Sep 24 12:58:52 2007
From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz)
Date: Mon Sep 24 12:59:44 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Fedex/Kinkos underpreforms
In-Reply-To: <46F3F1F3.4493.23B075@slb.inkspot.net>
Message-ID: <BEEIIPIOGLPLKIAABOLAEEGKDBAA.mail@myprinter.biz>

Steve (and others) -

No, we shouldn't be smug, and FedEx isn't going to let Kinko's wither and
die, but it's clear that they have major changes in store for Kinko's.

It should also be clear that those changes are a gamble being taken by the
same folks who, had they been correct in the first place about the synergies
that were going to be achieved by the FedEx/Kinko's marriage, wouldn't be
faced with taking the gamble now.

The changes being made aren't being made from a position of strength, other
than that offered by FedEx's deep pockets...the same deep pockets that
funded the mistake that made the current gamble necessary.

Almost all of what I've seen suggests that their new stores and redesigned
old ones are going to feature office supplies, some copy machines and be
FedEx drop-off locations, and that they'll be greater competition for office
supply stores with "copy centers" than they will be for printing firms that
can also put down ink.

To be successful they're either going to have to create new demand or steal
a sizable chunk of current market share from Office Depot, Staples,
OfficeMax, CostCo, Sam's and the Vikings and Quills of the world, and there
is little or nothing to suggest that they'll be able to do enough of either
to make a great deal of difference to any of us.

As what we do becomes increasingly digital, Kinko's - along with office
supply copy centers - will have the potential to be greater competitors, but
I think it's going to be a while before Kinko's or any of their office
supply competitors will make serious inroads into clients that have an
occasional need for a rush order of a case or two of two-color #10 window
envelopes.

Dan
Sir Speedy Printing Center
5845 Hollywood Boulevard
Hollywood, FL 33021
t 954.962.1309
f 954.962.1366
dan@myprinter.biz
www.myprinter.biz








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From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Steve Blatman
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 4:32 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Fedex/Kinkos underpreforms


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John,

You are likely correct, but we should be careful about the obvious
temptation to be smug. If they ever figure out how to run the copy
operation (and, given the depth of their management talent and
sufficient time and motivation, they're likely to do so), we're
likely to have a really serious competitor on our hands. OTOH, the
more people try their service when they don't have it "together" yet,
the harder the time they'll have convincing everyone to use them when
they do, eventually, get it together...

Steve


>
> My take is FedEx is finding running a copy group far harder than ever
> imagined.
>
>
>
http://www.graphicartsonline.com/article/CA6480639.html?nid=3470&source=titl
> e
>
> -- Graphic Arts Online, 9/21/2007 9:41:00 AM
> FedEx released its Q1 results, but burying the performance of its
struggling
> Kinko?s printing unit within a new segment, FedEx Services-which includes
> FedEx Kinko?s, FedEx Global Supply Chain Services and FedEx Customer
> Information Services. Analysts say the move will keep FedEx from having to
> reveal details about its Kinko's business that rival UPS does not report
> about its UPS Stores.
>
> The company said it changed the way it reports income from FedEx Kinko's
> because it now contributes $900 million in package shipments for FedEx's
> transportation companies, and because FedEx Service has responsibility for
> sales and marketing companywide.
>
>
> FedEx did report that Kinko?s copy product revenues declined and that
> revenues for the new unit were flat.
>
>
> The company said it will continue to invest in its multi-year plan to open
> new FedEx Kinko's locations and enhance its integrated digital document
> service network to become a back office for local businesses and traveling
> professionals. The company opened 90 centers in the first quarter.
>
>
> Q1 profits for the entire company were up 4% to $494 million on revenue of
> $9.2 billion.
>
>
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From slb at inkspot.net  Mon Sep 24 12:56:50 2007
From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman)
Date: Mon Sep 24 13:13:32 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Source needed for specialty label
In-Reply-To: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111D52F@fpserver.FP.local>
Message-ID: <46F7B412.7607.ED1FC45@slb.inkspot.net>

A customer has asked us about serial-number labels and cautionary 
labels for a product. The surface of the product's case is textured 
(not sure if it's metal or plastic, but I suspect metal with textured 
paint, because molds for plastic parts seem like they might be 
outside their cost parameters for now.

They want a label that will stick to a textured surface without 
showing the texture on the surface of the label.

In the past, we've supplied aluminum labels (from Nameplates for 
Industry, in New Bedford, MA) for this sort of application. Does 
anyone have a better idea (heavy plastic, perhaps?) or alternative 
sources?

TIA,
Steve

Steve Blatman
Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc.
14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA
Tel: 610-647-0776
Fax: 610-647-4560

From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Mon Sep 24 14:38:36 2007
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Mon Sep 24 14:39:05 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Source needed for specialty label
In-Reply-To: <46F7B412.7607.ED1FC45@slb.inkspot.net>
References: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111D52F@fpserver.FP.local>
	<46F7B412.7607.ED1FC45@slb.inkspot.net>
Message-ID: <00d501c7feda$1e105160$6601a8c0@corapurvine>

Could you somehow put a piece of foam on the back of the label? or a light
coat of something to build up the surface so it is flat under the label or
would they let you sand that one spot to make it smooth before applying the
label....or if they have the parts made, could they ask the manufacturer of
the parts to put a mask the size of the label in that spot so it doesn't get
the textured surface in that spot? JAT 


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz


From npiprinting at verizon.net  Mon Sep 24 14:04:54 2007
From: npiprinting at verizon.net (Steve Fairchild)
Date: Mon Sep 24 15:09:15 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Running coated paper on digital color copiers
Message-ID: <46F7FC46.4080009@verizon.net>

We have a new Savin 4045 color copier we have been running since Jan. 
this year.  Great machine with booklet maker and other features.  We 
have been running 80 and 100lb. text and cover on coated paper but we 
seem to have issues with the coating building up on the charger rollers 
which transfers to the drum after a few hundred copies. Apparently, the 
coating actually pulls off the sheet in  very small amounts where the 
image is transfered.  We have used digital paper and non-digital with 
same results.  Our service reps. have detected this to be a  common 
problem with coated paper.  This requires additional cleaning and 
premature wear of drum unit parts.

The question for our members:  Do you also have these problems or is 
this an isolated case? 
                                                     Especially 
interested in various other brands of copiers.  Xerox-Canon-Minolta

-- 

Thanks,

Charles S. Fairchild, President

Nicholas Printing, Inc.
1109 Broad Street
Summersville, WV 26651

1-304-872-5906 - Phone
1-304-872-5923 - Fax

npiprinting@verizon.net
www.nicholasprinting.com



From kevin at proprinters.ca  Mon Sep 24 15:19:54 2007
From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin at PRO Printers)
Date: Mon Sep 24 15:20:50 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Running coated paper on digital color copiers
References: <46F7FC46.4080009@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <003f01c7fedf$e40dcbe0$0200a8c0@promerivale1>

Not a problem with our Konica-Minolta CF8050 and not a problem I have heard 
of with any Canon or Xerox or Konica box.

Kevin Kerr
Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc.
1900 Merivale Rd.
Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4
Tel 613-727-9444
Fax 613-727-1945
kevin@proprinters.ca
www.proprinters.ca

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Fairchild" <npiprinting@verizon.net>
To: "Printowners list" <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:04 PM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Running coated paper on digital color copiers


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> We have a new Savin 4045 color copier we have been running since Jan. this 
> year.  Great machine with booklet maker and other features.  We have been 
> running 80 and 100lb. text and cover on coated paper but we seem to have 
> issues with the coating building up on the charger rollers which transfers 
> to the drum after a few hundred copies. Apparently, the coating actually 
> pulls off the sheet in  very small amounts where the image is transfered. 
> We have used digital paper and non-digital with same results.  Our service 
> reps. have detected this to be a  common problem with coated paper.  This 
> requires additional cleaning and premature wear of drum unit parts.
>
> The question for our members:  Do you also have these problems or is this 
> an isolated case? Especially interested in various other brands of 
> copiers.  Xerox-Canon-Minolta
>
> -- 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charles S. Fairchild, President
>
> Nicholas Printing, Inc.
> 1109 Broad Street
> Summersville, WV 26651
>
> 1-304-872-5906 - Phone
> 1-304-872-5923 - Fax
>
> npiprinting@verizon.net
> www.nicholasprinting.com
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From kellycrom at gmail.com  Mon Sep 24 15:28:12 2007
From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics)
Date: Mon Sep 24 15:29:13 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Running coated paper on digital color copiers
In-Reply-To: <46F7FC46.4080009@verizon.net>
References: <46F7FC46.4080009@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <01f001c7fee1$0d387910$6d01a8c0@KELLY>

We had similar problems when we had a Canon 4000. The coated paper was
causing a build up on the fuser assembly. We weren't using a digital coated
stock, and our tech told us we should only be using Canon gloss(of course)
and that we wouldn't have that problem with their stock. So, we switched to
only Canon coated papers. Guess what? Same problems. Canon had no argument
after that, and we got rid of the machine within the next year. We now run a
Xerox 6060, using the same gloss paper we use on our presses(Productolith)
and don't have the build-up problems anymore.

Kelly Crom
Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.

We've Moved!!!
2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
Plymouth, MN  55441
New Phone:  (763)231-6970
kellycrom@gmail.com
www.applied-graphics.com 

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org 
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Fairchild
> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 1:05 PM
> To: Printowners list
> Subject: [PrintOwners] Running coated paper on digital color copiers
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> We have a new Savin 4045 color copier we have been running since Jan. 
> this year.  Great machine with booklet maker and other features.  We 
> have been running 80 and 100lb. text and cover on coated paper but we 
> seem to have issues with the coating building up on the 
> charger rollers 
> which transfers to the drum after a few hundred copies. 
> Apparently, the 
> coating actually pulls off the sheet in  very small amounts where the 
> image is transfered.  We have used digital paper and non-digital with 
> same results.  Our service reps. have detected this to be a  common 
> problem with coated paper.  This requires additional cleaning and 
> premature wear of drum unit parts.
> 
> The question for our members:  Do you also have these problems or is 
> this an isolated case? 
>                                                      Especially 
> interested in various other brands of copiers.  Xerox-Canon-Minolta
> 
> -- 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Charles S. Fairchild, President
> 
> Nicholas Printing, Inc.
> 1109 Broad Street
> Summersville, WV 26651
> 
> 1-304-872-5906 - Phone
> 1-304-872-5923 - Fax
> 
> npiprinting@verizon.net
> www.nicholasprinting.com
> 
> 
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From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Mon Sep 24 15:39:28 2007
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Mon Sep 24 15:43:38 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Running coated paper on digital color copiers
In-Reply-To: <003f01c7fedf$e40dcbe0$0200a8c0@promerivale1>
References: <46F7FC46.4080009@verizon.net>
	<003f01c7fedf$e40dcbe0$0200a8c0@promerivale1>
Message-ID: <00dd01c7fee2$9f4a7730$6601a8c0@corapurvine>

Not a problem on my Lanier. By the way, they came out and adjusted my bypass
tray and now I can use it for the heavy stocks. The tech adjusted a spring
and changed the timing.

 


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kevin at PRO Printers
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:20 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Running coated paper on digital color copiers

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Not a problem with our Konica-Minolta CF8050 and not a problem I have heard
of with any Canon or Xerox or Konica box.

Kevin Kerr
Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc.
1900 Merivale Rd.
Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4
Tel 613-727-9444
Fax 613-727-1945
kevin@proprinters.ca
www.proprinters.ca

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Fairchild" <npiprinting@verizon.net>
To: "Printowners list" <printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:04 PM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Running coated paper on digital color copiers


> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> We have a new Savin 4045 color copier we have been running since Jan. this

> year.  Great machine with booklet maker and other features.  We have been 
> running 80 and 100lb. text and cover on coated paper but we seem to have 
> issues with the coating building up on the charger rollers which transfers

> to the drum after a few hundred copies. Apparently, the coating actually 
> pulls off the sheet in  very small amounts where the image is transfered. 
> We have used digital paper and non-digital with same results.  Our service

> reps. have detected this to be a  common problem with coated paper.  This 
> requires additional cleaning and premature wear of drum unit parts.
>
> The question for our members:  Do you also have these problems or is this 
> an isolated case? Especially interested in various other brands of 
> copiers.  Xerox-Canon-Minolta
>
> -- 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charles S. Fairchild, President
>
> Nicholas Printing, Inc.
> 1109 Broad Street
> Summersville, WV 26651
>
> 1-304-872-5906 - Phone
> 1-304-872-5923 - Fax
>
> npiprinting@verizon.net
> www.nicholasprinting.com
>
>
>
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From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com  Mon Sep 24 15:53:42 2007
From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel)
Date: Mon Sep 24 15:54:41 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Running coated paper on digital color copiers
In-Reply-To: <00dd01c7fee2$9f4a7730$6601a8c0@corapurvine>
References: <46F7FC46.4080009@verizon.net>
	<003f01c7fedf$e40dcbe0$0200a8c0@promerivale1>
	<00dd01c7fee2$9f4a7730$6601a8c0@corapurvine>
Message-ID: <98f5b19a0709241253o532fda6fm1e749dc5cb3e65c4@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/24/07, Cora Purvine <cpurvine1@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Not a problem on my Lanier.


Aren't Savin and Lanier the same boxes?


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com

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From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Mon Sep 24 15:56:24 2007
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Mon Sep 24 15:59:16 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Running coated paper on digital color copiers
In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0709241253o532fda6fm1e749dc5cb3e65c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46F7FC46.4080009@verizon.net><003f01c7fedf$e40dcbe0$0200a8c0@promerivale1><00dd01c7fee2$9f4a7730$6601a8c0@corapurvine>
	<98f5b19a0709241253o532fda6fm1e749dc5cb3e65c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00e101c7fee4$fcb4e2a0$6601a8c0@corapurvine>

Not sure. I think so??? 


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

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[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:54 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Running coated paper on digital color copiers

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On 9/24/07, Cora Purvine <cpurvine1@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Not a problem on my Lanier.


Aren't Savin and Lanier the same boxes?


--
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com

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From ed at graphicprintersinc.com  Mon Sep 24 17:47:30 2007
From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce)
Date: Mon Sep 24 17:47:32 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Running coated paper on digital color copiers
In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0709241253o532fda6fm1e749dc5cb3e65c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00e101c7fef4$82665b90$5a01a8c0@fileserver>

I do know Savin & Ricoh are the same but I'm not sure about Lanier.

Ed Pierce
Graphic Print & Communication
Meridian MS 
601-485-7088
ed@graphicprintersinc.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:54 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Running coated paper on digital color copiers

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

On 9/24/07, Cora Purvine <cpurvine1@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Not a problem on my Lanier.


Aren't Savin and Lanier the same boxes?


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com

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From DanF at MMSNY.com  Mon Sep 24 18:30:53 2007
From: DanF at MMSNY.com (Dan Flatt)
Date: Mon Sep 24 18:28:23 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Fedex/Kinkos underpreforms
Message-ID: <A496437572132B4F9CE0AD1D591E969DBC5488@corningserver1.mmsny.com>

I agree with Dan on the status of Fedex. My major concern comes with the "distribute then print" model that Kinko's is driving towards vs. the print then distribute model that we  all use.  As our customers become more global they will start to look at the cost to ship product vs. the cost to print product. In just in time environments where run lengths can be as low as 20 (training) or 1 (manufacturing) the cost to ship will start to exceed the cost to print and distribute then print makes huge economic sense.  FedEx would capture the lost revenue from shipping by replacing it with printing and delivery.
Very shrewd...

Dan Flatt
vp/ owner
Multi Media Services 
11136-40 River Road
Corning, NY  14830
main 607-936-3186
CELL 607-331-7217 PLEASE CALL MY CELL FIRST!
Fax 877-684-3043
www.mmsny.com
 
Isn't it time that you had a business printer printing for your business?
 
Other contacts:
Rick Bartholomew    owner                     607-769-8111
David Jackson         manager                  607-331-5422
Dick Shelford           Sunset Operations  607-331-5775
Patty Carlson           Strategic accounts  607-331-5314
Suzie Bartholomew Strategic accounts  607-331-5314
Dave Satterly           IR operations          570-882-0485
Ralph Begeal            CSR                         607-331-5572
Steve Mullen           CSR                         607-936-3186
Margaret Puffer       CSR / mailing          607-936-3186
Rose Flatt                 Design                    607-331-1555
Emily Colletta           Design                    607-331-7068 
Judy Pruyne             Design                    607-331-5963
 
 
 


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Steve (and others) -

No, we shouldn't be smug, and FedEx isn't going to let Kinko's wither and die, but it's clear that they have major changes in store for Kinko's.

It should also be clear that those changes are a gamble being taken by the same folks who, had they been correct in the first place about the synergies that were going to be achieved by the FedEx/Kinko's marriage, wouldn't be faced with taking the gamble now.

The changes being made aren't being made from a position of strength, other than that offered by FedEx's deep pockets...the same deep pockets that funded the mistake that made the current gamble necessary.

Almost all of what I've seen suggests that their new stores and redesigned old ones are going to feature office supplies, some copy machines and be FedEx drop-off locations, and that they'll be greater competition for office supply stores with "copy centers" than they will be for printing firms that can also put down ink.

To be successful they're either going to have to create new demand or steal a sizable chunk of current market share from Office Depot, Staples, OfficeMax, CostCo, Sam's and the Vikings and Quills of the world, and there is little or nothing to suggest that they'll be able to do enough of either to make a great deal of difference to any of us.

As what we do becomes increasingly digital, Kinko's - along with office supply copy centers - will have the potential to be greater competitors, but I think it's going to be a while before Kinko's or any of their office supply competitors will make serious inroads into clients that have an occasional need for a rush order of a case or two of two-color #10 window envelopes.

Dan
Sir Speedy Printing Center
5845 Hollywood Boulevard
Hollywood, FL 33021
t 954.962.1309
f 954.962.1366
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From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Steve Blatman
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 4:32 PM
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John,

You are likely correct, but we should be careful about the obvious temptation to be smug. If they ever figure out how to run the copy operation (and, given the depth of their management talent and sufficient time and motivation, they're likely to do so), we're likely to have a really serious competitor on our hands. OTOH, the more people try their service when they don't have it "together" yet, the harder the time they'll have convincing everyone to use them when they do, eventually, get it together...

Steve


>
> My take is FedEx is finding running a copy group far harder than ever 
> imagined.
>
>
>
http://www.graphicartsonline.com/article/CA6480639.html?nid=3470&source=titl
> e
>
> -- Graphic Arts Online, 9/21/2007 9:41:00 AM
> FedEx released its Q1 results, but burying the performance of its
struggling
> Kinko?s printing unit within a new segment, FedEx Services-which 
> includes FedEx Kinko?s, FedEx Global Supply Chain Services and FedEx 
> Customer Information Services. Analysts say the move will keep FedEx 
> from having to reveal details about its Kinko's business that rival 
> UPS does not report about its UPS Stores.
>
> The company said it changed the way it reports income from FedEx 
> Kinko's because it now contributes $900 million in package shipments 
> for FedEx's transportation companies, and because FedEx Service has 
> responsibility for sales and marketing companywide.
>
>
> FedEx did report that Kinko?s copy product revenues declined and that 
> revenues for the new unit were flat.
>
>
> The company said it will continue to invest in its multi-year plan to 
> open new FedEx Kinko's locations and enhance its integrated digital 
> document service network to become a back office for local businesses 
> and traveling professionals. The company opened 90 centers in the 
> first quarter.
>
>
> Q1 profits for the entire company were up 4% to $494 million on 
> revenue of $9.2 billion.
>
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From DanF at MMSNY.com  Mon Sep 24 18:32:17 2007
From: DanF at MMSNY.com (Dan Flatt)
Date: Mon Sep 24 18:29:37 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Running coated paper on digital color copiers
Message-ID: <A496437572132B4F9CE0AD1D591E969DBC5489@corningserver1.mmsny.com>

Ricoh manufactures and owns Lanier and Savin.  They are all the exact
same machines.

Dan Flatt
vp/ owner
Multi Media Services 
11136-40 River Road
Corning, NY  14830
main 607-936-3186
CELL 607-331-7217 PLEASE CALL MY CELL FIRST!
Fax 877-684-3043
www.mmsny.com
 
Isn't it time that you had a business printer printing for your
business?
 
Other contacts:
Rick Bartholomew    owner                     607-769-8111
David Jackson         manager                  607-331-5422
Dick Shelford           Sunset Operations  607-331-5775
Patty Carlson           Strategic accounts  607-331-5314
Suzie Bartholomew Strategic accounts  607-331-5314
Dave Satterly           IR operations          570-882-0485
Ralph Begeal            CSR                         607-331-5572
Steve Mullen           CSR                         607-936-3186
Margaret Puffer       CSR / mailing          607-936-3186
Rose Flatt                 Design                    607-331-1555
Emily Colletta           Design                    607-331-7068 
Judy Pruyne             Design                    607-331-5963
 
 
 


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[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ed Pierce
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:48 PM
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I do know Savin & Ricoh are the same but I'm not sure about Lanier.

Ed Pierce
Graphic Print & Communication
Meridian MS 
601-485-7088
ed@graphicprintersinc.com
 

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[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel
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On 9/24/07, Cora Purvine <cpurvine1@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Not a problem on my Lanier.


Aren't Savin and Lanier the same boxes?


-- 
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Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
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From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Mon Sep 24 18:49:12 2007
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Mon Sep 24 18:49:11 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Running coated paper on digital color copiers
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Message-ID: <012401c7fefd$206528f0$6601a8c0@corapurvine>

For a small shop, I am very happy with my Lanier. It is extremely dependable
and now that they have it fixed so that I can do the heavy card stock like I
was told I could when I bought it, I've got no complaints at all. I have
never even calibrated it. It does it automatically itself. The machine that
I had before this used to loose color, but this one never has, even when it
says it is low on toner.

I don't like the click charges, but have learned to charge accordingly. My
customers also like the vibrant colors. I've had more than one comment on
this.


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

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[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ed Pierce
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 4:48 PM
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I do know Savin & Ricoh are the same but I'm not sure about Lanier.

Ed Pierce
Graphic Print & Communication
Meridian MS
601-485-7088
ed@graphicprintersinc.com
 

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[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:54 PM
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On 9/24/07, Cora Purvine <cpurvine1@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Not a problem on my Lanier.


Aren't Savin and Lanier the same boxes?


-- 
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
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From kevin at abfprints.com  Mon Sep 24 22:00:18 2007
From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko)
Date: Mon Sep 24 22:03:49 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] BTC Ascor Plate Burner
Message-ID: <015001c7ff17$d405f780$1700a8c0@abf.local>

Hey folks, we have gone totally CTP and are no longer using our BTC Ascor
Plate Burner. It has a 5,000 watt light source and a vacuum frame size of 33
x 44. Anybody interested it and willing to give me $500.00 can have it!!!

 

F.O.B. Rialto, CA 92376

 

Kevin Danko

 

Advantage Business Forms

102 N. Riverside Ave.

Rialto, CA 92376

Phone: (909) 875-7163

Fax: (909) 875-7971

 <http://www.abfprints.com> www.abfprints.com

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From dennisdater at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep 24 22:10:07 2007
From: dennisdater at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Dater)
Date: Mon Sep 24 22:11:22 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] BTC Ascor Plate Burner
In-Reply-To: <015001c7ff17$d405f780$1700a8c0@abf.local>
Message-ID: <20070925021121.00FD8BBDBF3@rb.enter.net>

Kevin,

Don't be too fast getting rid of it. I have been CTP for a year and a half.
Several times we have had our CTP go down (various reasons), and we had to
go back to negs and burn metal plates. I'm glad I kept it. 


Dennis Dater
Allegra Print & Imaging                
8037 Vickers Street
San Diego, CA 92111
858-576-0100 or 619-696-6290
www.allegrasandiego.com
dennisdater@sbcglobal.net


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Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 7:00 PM
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Hey folks, we have gone totally CTP and are no longer using our BTC Ascor
Plate Burner. It has a 5,000 watt light source and a vacuum frame size of 33
x 44. Anybody interested it and willing to give me $500.00 can have it!!!

 

F.O.B. Rialto, CA 92376

 

Kevin Danko

 

Advantage Business Forms

102 N. Riverside Ave.

Rialto, CA 92376

Phone: (909) 875-7163

Fax: (909) 875-7971

 <http://www.abfprints.com> www.abfprints.com

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From bherion at bucksdigital.com  Tue Sep 25 06:57:24 2007
From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion)
Date: Tue Sep 25 06:58:33 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Running coated paper on digital color
In-Reply-To: <20070924222941.8A9E3BBD350@rb.enter.net>
References: <20070924222941.8A9E3BBD350@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070925065457.0329c478@bucksdigital.com>

At 06:29 PM 9/24/2007, you wrote:
> > The question for our members:  Do you also have these problems or is this
> > an isolated case? Especially interested in various other brands of
> > copiers.  Xerox-Canon-Minolta

I've had experience on many brands of machines and have found the 
stock makes more difference than any other factor in modern technology.
The brand of coated stocks I have found to work best (currently on 
Xerox equipment) is the Futura line.
The brand that has performed least successfully has been Fortune.
Hope that helps.


Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's
Bucks Digital Printing  v.215.579.4200    f.215-579-9510
90 Walker Lane  Newtown, PA 18940
www.bucksdigital.com


From mail at myprinter.biz  Tue Sep 25 06:58:26 2007
From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz)
Date: Tue Sep 25 06:58:39 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Running coated paper on digital color copiers
In-Reply-To: <A496437572132B4F9CE0AD1D591E969DBC5489@corningserver1.mmsny.com>
Message-ID: <BEEIIPIOGLPLKIAABOLAGEJJDBAA.mail@myprinter.biz>

Gestetner and Alfio (?) are also owned by Ricoh and are substantively the
same copiers.

Dan
Sir Speedy Printing Center
5845 Hollywood Boulevard
Hollywood, FL 33021
t 954.962.1309
f 954.962.1366
dan@myprinter.biz
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-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Dan Flatt
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 6:32 PM
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Ricoh manufactures and owns Lanier and Savin.  They are all the exact
same machines.

Dan Flatt
vp/ owner
Multi Media Services
11136-40 River Road
Corning, NY  14830
main 607-936-3186
CELL 607-331-7217 PLEASE CALL MY CELL FIRST!
Fax 877-684-3043
www.mmsny.com

Isn't it time that you had a business printer printing for your
business?

Other contacts:
Rick Bartholomew    owner                     607-769-8111
David Jackson         manager                  607-331-5422
Dick Shelford           Sunset Operations  607-331-5775
Patty Carlson           Strategic accounts  607-331-5314
Suzie Bartholomew Strategic accounts  607-331-5314
Dave Satterly           IR operations          570-882-0485
Ralph Begeal            CSR                         607-331-5572
Steve Mullen           CSR                         607-936-3186
Margaret Puffer       CSR / mailing          607-936-3186
Rose Flatt                 Design                    607-331-1555
Emily Colletta           Design                    607-331-7068
Judy Pruyne             Design                    607-331-5963





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From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ed Pierce
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:48 PM
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I do know Savin & Ricoh are the same but I'm not sure about Lanier.

Ed Pierce
Graphic Print & Communication
Meridian MS
601-485-7088
ed@graphicprintersinc.com


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[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:54 PM
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On 9/24/07, Cora Purvine <cpurvine1@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Not a problem on my Lanier.


Aren't Savin and Lanier the same boxes?


--
Michael Vogel
Sir Speedy Printing
9 Research Drive
Milford, CT 06460
tel 203-877-1231
fax 203-878-2679
mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com
www.eSirSpeedy.com

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From villageprinting1 at aol.com  Tue Sep 25 10:49:54 2007
From: villageprinting1 at aol.com (villageprinting1@aol.com)
Date: Tue Sep 25 10:50:54 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Running coated paper on digital color copiers
In-Reply-To: <012401c7fefd$206528f0$6601a8c0@corapurvine>
References: <98f5b19a0709241253o532fda6fm1e749dc5cb3e65c4@mail.gmail.com>	<00e101c7fef4$82665b90$5a01a8c0@fileserver>
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Message-ID: <8C9CD9A77FC6C74-444-ABA7@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com>

Cora....Ditto! I had same problems with my unit.? They actually replace just about every piece inside the guts, before a technician decided on changing feed rollers on bypass tray.? Oh wow!? It worked he said after how so much $$$$ they spent.? Oh yeah, my click charges are up there to.? Like you my click charges are?13? a?a piece,?is nothing to sneeze at, but?my customers dont complain about my charges or quality.

Tommy Melendez

Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
3612 E. Tremont Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
NAQP Member #1031539
718.904.7760
718.892.2315 Fax
www.printing-n-graphics.com


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Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 6:49 pm
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For a small shop, I am very happy with my Lanier. It is extremely dependable
nd now that they have it fixed so that I can do the heavy card stock like I
as told I could when I bought it, I've got no complaints at all. I have
ever even calibrated it. It does it automatically itself. The machine that
 had before this used to loose color, but this one never has, even when it
ays it is low on toner.
I don't like the click charges, but have learned to charge accordingly. My
ustomers also like the vibrant colors. I've had more than one comment on
his.

lass Act Printing and Foil
ora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
801 W. Juno Ave.
ichita, KS 67215-1742
h/Fax: 316-522-0733
purvine1@cox.net
ww.ClassActPrinting.biz
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I do know Savin & Ricoh are the same but I'm not sure about Lanier.
Ed Pierce
raphic Print & Communication
eridian MS
01-485-7088
d@graphicprintersinc.com

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On 9/24/07, Cora Purvine <cpurvine1@cox.net> wrote:

 Not a problem on my Lanier.

ren't Savin and Lanier the same boxes?

- 
ichael Vogel
ir Speedy Printing
 Research Drive
ilford, CT 06460
el 203-877-1231
ax 203-878-2679
v.sirspeedy@gmail.com
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From villageprinting1 at aol.com  Tue Sep 25 11:15:13 2007
From: villageprinting1 at aol.com (villageprinting1@aol.com)
Date: Tue Sep 25 11:16:06 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:  Help
Message-ID: <8C9CD9E0185D3B0-BD4-194@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com>

Is there any equipment that is out there that we can print envelopes with.? We do maybe 10,000 a month.? My location is strictly digital.? I presently use BCE & it takes sometimes 5-6 business days for black ink.? I don't want to go back to owning a press, even though I love the smell of ink & dont have the space for it.? Anyone have any knowledge of Meteor DP PRO desktop printer?

Tommy Melendez

Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
3612 E. Tremont Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
NAQP Member #1031539
718.904.7760
718.892.2315 Fax
www.printing-n-graphics.com
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From kellycrom at gmail.com  Tue Sep 25 11:41:18 2007
From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics)
Date: Tue Sep 25 11:42:06 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:  Help
In-Reply-To: <8C9CD9E0185D3B0-BD4-194@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C9CD9E0185D3B0-BD4-194@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <029501c7ff8a$84bb36e0$6d01a8c0@KELLY>

I looked at the Meteor at Graph Expo. It was a bit impressive in that it's a
toner based color digital machine that can run pretty much anything from
envelopes to plastic. I think the price tag was about $140,000 without the
envelope feeder.
Have you considered something like a RISO, or one of the other small
duplicators? I know that Ricoh has a similar machine(to the riso) called the
Priport(they were touting being able to run 100 envelopes for $6.00 in 5
minutes), and I believe Standard also has the same kind of machine.

Kelly Crom
Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.

We've Moved!!!
2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
Plymouth, MN  55441
New Phone:  (763)231-6970
kellycrom@gmail.com
www.applied-graphics.com 

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org 
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of 
> villageprinting1@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:15 AM
> To: printowners@printweb.org
> Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Help
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> Is there any equipment that is out there that we can print 
> envelopes with.? We do maybe 10,000 a month.? My location is 
> strictly digital.? I presently use BCE & it takes sometimes 
> 5-6 business days for black ink.? I don't want to go back to 
> owning a press, even though I love the smell of ink & dont 
> have the space for it.? Anyone have any knowledge of Meteor 
> DP PRO desktop printer?
> 
> Tommy Melendez
> 
> Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
> 3612 E. Tremont Avenue
> Bronx, N.Y. 10465
> NAQP Member #1031539
> 718.904.7760
> 718.892.2315 Fax
> www.printing-n-graphics.com
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From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Tue Sep 25 11:35:15 2007
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Tue Sep 25 11:42:21 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:  Help
In-Reply-To: <8C9CD9E0185D3B0-BD4-194@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C9CD9E0185D3B0-BD4-194@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <007901c7ff89$abd11fc0$6601a8c0@corapurvine>

I have a table top Samsung that does good envelopes, but you can only put a
few in at a time. It is a laser printer and it doesn't wrinkle the back of
the envelope, but 10,000 would keep someone busy for a very long time<G> 


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

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Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:15 AM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Help

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Is there any equipment that is out there that we can print envelopes with.?
We do maybe 10,000 a month.? My location is strictly digital.? I presently
use BCE & it takes sometimes 5-6 business days for black ink.? I don't want
to go back to owning a press, even though I love the smell of ink & dont
have the space for it.? Anyone have any knowledge of Meteor DP PRO desktop
printer?

Tommy Melendez

Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
3612 E. Tremont Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
NAQP Member #1031539
718.904.7760
718.892.2315 Fax
www.printing-n-graphics.com
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From championprinting at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 25 11:42:33 2007
From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly)
Date: Tue Sep 25 11:44:35 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:  Help/Digitally Printed Envelopes
Message-ID: <440334.55777.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

There are plenty of envelope wholesalers, but if you want them done quickly and professionally, I'd look for a local printer. I wouldn't be surprised if there is one on this list that contacts you privately. I would forget about digitally printed envelopes (at least for the time being). It is also proper list etiquette to give us a clue of the type of help you need in the subject line. Good luck.
 
Ted Gelletly
Champion Printing
5401 New Expansion Drive
Eldersburg MD 21784
410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488
ted@championprintingonline.com 


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To: printowners@printweb.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:15:13 AM
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Help


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Is there any equipment that is out there that we can print envelopes with.? We do maybe 10,000 a month.? My location is strictly digital.? I presently use BCE & it takes sometimes 5-6 business days for black ink.? I don't want to go back to owning a press, even though I love the smell of ink & dont have the space for it.? Anyone have any knowledge of Meteor DP PRO desktop printer?

Tommy Melendez

Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
3612 E. Tremont Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
NAQP Member #1031539
718.904.7760
718.892.2315 Fax
www.printing-n-graphics.com
From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Tue Sep 25 12:04:44 2007
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Tue Sep 25 12:05:44 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:  Help
In-Reply-To: <029501c7ff8a$84bb36e0$6d01a8c0@KELLY>
References: <8C9CD9E0185D3B0-BD4-194@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com>
	<029501c7ff8a$84bb36e0$6d01a8c0@KELLY>
Message-ID: <008301c7ff8d$ca2d3360$6601a8c0@corapurvine>

We had the Priport JP8000 and loved it. It would run any kind of envelope
with no scrap. It was very economical to run, but the registration was not
right on. If the colors don't touch you would probably be Ok. 

We even got the slave that is a two color machine, but IKON never could get
it set up for us as the tech hadn't had any training yet, so we sent it back
because the trial period was almost up. It was a 600 DPI machine so the
screens printed fine. Sometimes when I scanned an image you had to watch and
make sure there wasn't any residue or it would pick that up and print it
too. The colors are also transparent so that was an issue also if a color
overlapped. We printed from the computer and had 9 colored drums to choose
from. 

It also does great on carbonless forms and remittance envelopes. We even
printed the coin envelopes without any problems. On color jobs or spot
colors is where this machine excels!!! We even printed paper bags<G>


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

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From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Crom at Applied
Graphics
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:41 AM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] RE: Help

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I looked at the Meteor at Graph Expo. It was a bit impressive in that it's a
toner based color digital machine that can run pretty much anything from
envelopes to plastic. I think the price tag was about $140,000 without the
envelope feeder.
Have you considered something like a RISO, or one of the other small
duplicators? I know that Ricoh has a similar machine(to the riso) called the
Priport(they were touting being able to run 100 envelopes for $6.00 in 5
minutes), and I believe Standard also has the same kind of machine.

Kelly Crom
Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.

We've Moved!!!
2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
Plymouth, MN  55441
New Phone:  (763)231-6970
kellycrom@gmail.com
www.applied-graphics.com 

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org 
> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of 
> villageprinting1@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:15 AM
> To: printowners@printweb.org
> Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Help
> 
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> Is there any equipment that is out there that we can print envelopes 
> with.? We do maybe 10,000 a month.? My location is strictly digital.? 
> I presently use BCE & it takes sometimes
> 5-6 business days for black ink.? I don't want to go back to owning a 
> press, even though I love the smell of ink & dont have the space for 
> it.? Anyone have any knowledge of Meteor DP PRO desktop printer?
> 
> Tommy Melendez
> 
> Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
> 3612 E. Tremont Avenue
> Bronx, N.Y. 10465
> NAQP Member #1031539
> 718.904.7760
> 718.892.2315 Fax
> www.printing-n-graphics.com
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From kevin at abfprints.com  Tue Sep 25 12:04:44 2007
From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko)
Date: Tue Sep 25 12:10:27 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] BTC Ascor Plate Burner
In-Reply-To: <20070925021121.00FD8BBDBF3@rb.enter.net>
References: <015001c7ff17$d405f780$1700a8c0@abf.local>
	<20070925021121.00FD8BBDBF3@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <007201c7ff8d$cb431030$1700a8c0@abf.local>

Dennis, we don't even use film any more. All of our files are digital and if
my CTP went down I would still have to send files to anther vendor to have
plates made. We have had our Screen CTP device for 2 years without any
downtime. I need more floor space for my new KM 1050 and KM 6500!!! 

Kevin Danko

Advantage Business Forms 
102 N. Riverside Ave.
Rialto, CA 92376
Phone: (909) 875-7163
Fax: (909) 875-7971
www.abfprints.com
E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com
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From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Dater
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 7:10 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] BTC Ascor Plate Burner

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Kevin,

Don't be too fast getting rid of it. I have been CTP for a year and a half.
Several times we have had our CTP go down (various reasons), and we had to
go back to negs and burn metal plates. I'm glad I kept it. 


Dennis Dater
Allegra Print & Imaging                
8037 Vickers Street
San Diego, CA 92111
858-576-0100 or 619-696-6290
www.allegrasandiego.com
dennisdater@sbcglobal.net


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[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Danko
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 7:00 PM
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
Subject: [PrintOwners] BTC Ascor Plate Burner

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Hey folks, we have gone totally CTP and are no longer using our BTC Ascor
Plate Burner. It has a 5,000 watt light source and a vacuum frame size of 33
x 44. Anybody interested it and willing to give me $500.00 can have it!!!

 

F.O.B. Rialto, CA 92376

 

Kevin Danko

 

Advantage Business Forms

102 N. Riverside Ave.

Rialto, CA 92376

Phone: (909) 875-7163

Fax: (909) 875-7971

 <http://www.abfprints.com> www.abfprints.com

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From QKCONSULT at aol.com  Tue Sep 25 12:19:23 2007
From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com)
Date: Tue Sep 25 12:21:09 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:  Help
Message-ID: <cea.1b1a3465.342a8f0b@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 9/25/2007 11:43:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
kellycrom@gmail.com writes:

I looked  at the Meteor at Graph Expo. It was a bit impressive in that it's a
toner  based color digital machine that can run pretty much anything  from
envelopes to plastic. I think the price tag was about $140,000 without  the
envelope feeder.
Have you considered something like a RISO, or one  of the other small
duplicators? I know that Ricoh has a similar machine(to  the riso) called the
Priport(they were touting being able to run 100  envelopes for $6.00 in 5
minutes), and I believe Standard also has the same  kind of machine.

Kelly Crom



Kelly,
 
I would be interested in a few more of YOUR observations on this device.  
Since the company is located here in Melbourne, and has in fact been around on  
the fringes for 10-15 years, I would be interested in more details. I have  
written the company but would also like input from you. God, like so many in the  
industry, I would like to discover a device that could replace the 
traditional  offset presses that most of us still rely upon.
 

John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)   

by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 

2110 S. Dairy  Road
West Melbourne, FL 32904
321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
Cell:  321-794-6259
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
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From jdowning at libertygrouponline.com  Tue Sep 25 13:20:58 2007
From: jdowning at libertygrouponline.com (Joy Downing)
Date: Tue Sep 25 12:24:47 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Security RX/Medicaid Prescription Pads
Message-ID: <009501c7ff98$708a1d40$1401a8c0@JOY2>

Was just informed by the State Medicaid Director that in Kentucky the 
Medicaid Prescription Pad guidelines are the same as the level #2 Narcotics 
Prescription Pads.This goes into effect October, 01, 2007. Just thought I 
would share this, I don't know about the other states and their guidelines.
Joy Downing
The Liberty Group
Bowling Green, KY
jdowning@libertygrouponline.com 

From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Tue Sep 25 12:37:35 2007
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Tue Sep 25 12:38:14 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:  Help
In-Reply-To: <cea.1b1a3465.342a8f0b@aol.com>
References: <cea.1b1a3465.342a8f0b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <009101c7ff92$61162da0$6601a8c0@corapurvine>

Too bad John has blocked all my emails and won't get the information I
sent<G> 


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:19 AM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Help

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

 
 
In a message dated 9/25/2007 11:43:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
kellycrom@gmail.com writes:

I looked  at the Meteor at Graph Expo. It was a bit impressive in that it's
a toner  based color digital machine that can run pretty much anything  from
envelopes to plastic. I think the price tag was about $140,000 without  the
envelope feeder.
Have you considered something like a RISO, or one  of the other small
duplicators? I know that Ricoh has a similar machine(to  the riso) called
the Priport(they were touting being able to run 100  envelopes for $6.00 in
5 minutes), and I believe Standard also has the same  kind of machine.

Kelly Crom



Kelly,
 
I would be interested in a few more of YOUR observations on this device.  
Since the company is located here in Melbourne, and has in fact been around
on the fringes for 10-15 years, I would be interested in more details. I
have written the company but would also like input from you. God, like so
many in the industry, I would like to discover a device that could replace
the traditional  offset presses that most of us still rely upon.
 

John  Stewart
Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)   

by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 

2110 S. Dairy  Road
West Melbourne, FL 32904
321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
Cell:  321-794-6259
_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners
analyze, losers rationalize."



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From char at themasterspress.com  Tue Sep 25 12:49:41 2007
From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims)
Date: Tue Sep 25 12:50:50 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:  Help
In-Reply-To: <8C9CD9E0185D3B0-BD4-194@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C9CD9E0185D3B0-BD4-194@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <010b01c7ff94$16f73190$0b01a8c0@CharXP>

Tommy we have a couple of people that do it on a DI.  Fast and inexpensive
for short runs.  Do you have a fellow printer or 4-color printer you can
outsource to that has a DI
ch

Charlene Sims
 
The Master's Press, Inc
14550 Midway Road
Dallas, Tx  75244
972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317
char@themasterspress.com
www.themasterspress.com

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[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of
villageprinting1@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:15 AM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Help

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Is there any equipment that is out there that we can print envelopes with.?
We do maybe 10,000 a month.? My location is strictly digital.? I presently
use BCE & it takes sometimes 5-6 business days for black ink.? I don't want
to go back to owning a press, even though I love the smell of ink & dont
have the space for it.? Anyone have any knowledge of Meteor DP PRO desktop
printer?

Tommy Melendez

Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
3612 E. Tremont Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
NAQP Member #1031539
718.904.7760
718.892.2315 Fax
www.printing-n-graphics.com
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From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com  Tue Sep 25 12:52:22 2007
From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt)
Date: Tue Sep 25 12:54:42 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:  Help
In-Reply-To: <8C9CD9E0185D3B0-BD4-194@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C9CD9E0185D3B0-BD4-194@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20070925165344.XTSS10687.orval.can.rogers.com@D3YN3DB1.xoxocyberprint.com>

The DC12 has an attachment to run # 10 envelopes which may or may not 
work very well. We do short runs of 9 x 12, 10 x 13, and 12 x 18
envelopes on ours although it is a bit of a pain.

Gordon Watt
Xoxo
Toronto



At 11:15 AM 9/25/2007, you wrote:
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>Is there any equipment that is out there that we can print envelopes 
>with.? We do maybe 10,000 a month.? My location is strictly 
>digital.? I presently use BCE & it takes sometimes 5-6 business days 
>for black ink.? I don't want to go back to owning a press, even 
>though I love the smell of ink & dont have the space for it.? Anyone 
>have any knowledge of Meteor DP PRO desktop printer?
>
>Tommy Melendez
>
>Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
>3612 E. Tremont Avenue
>Bronx, N.Y. 10465
>NAQP Member #1031539
>718.904.7760
>718.892.2315 Fax
>www.printing-n-graphics.com
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From asinger at microformat.net  Tue Sep 25 13:39:54 2007
From: asinger at microformat.net (Aaron Singer)
Date: Tue Sep 25 13:41:31 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Security RX/Medicaid Prescription Pads
References: <009501c7ff98$708a1d40$1401a8c0@JOY2>
Message-ID: <00c701c7ff9b$1583ee50$7901a8c0@ABSPromotions.local>

Per the Federal Medicaid Board, any state that has existing legislation on 
the books requiring tamper proof pads for prescription can use the existing 
paper and is compliant with the new Federal Medicaid laws.

Aaron Singer
Document Security Specialist

Micro Format - Secure Guard
830-3 Seton Ct.
Wheeling, IL 60090
800-333-0549
Fax (847) 520-0197
asinger@microformat.net

For more information visit us at www.paper4printers.com or 
www.secureguardpaper.com
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<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:20 PM
Subject: [PrintOwners] Security RX/Medicaid Prescription Pads


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> Was just informed by the State Medicaid Director that in Kentucky the 
> Medicaid Prescription Pad guidelines are the same as the level #2 
> Narcotics Prescription Pads.This goes into effect October, 01, 2007. Just 
> thought I would share this, I don't know about the other states and their 
> guidelines.
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From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com  Tue Sep 25 14:05:26 2007
From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com)
Date: Tue Sep 25 14:06:53 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:  Help
Message-ID: <ca1.1cfeef72.342aa7e6@aol.com>

Hello there again Charlene.  I have my ex-partner that can  produce all the 
work I can give him.  It's unfortunate that he is  unreliable.  I do have 
access to a 2 color AB Dick 9810 free.   Just didn't want to go there.  Then I have 
to purchase a platemaker &  so on.  I'm at that (2 x 4) theory right now.  
Banging some  heads.
 
Tommy Melendez
 
Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
3612 E. Tremont  Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
NAQP Member  #1031539
718.904.7760
718.892.2315 Fax
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From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Tue Sep 25 11:03:38 2007
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Tue Sep 25 14:14:03 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Running coated paper on digital color copiers
In-Reply-To: <8C9CD9A77FC6C74-444-ABA7@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com>
References: <98f5b19a0709241253o532fda6fm1e749dc5cb3e65c4@mail.gmail.com>	<00e101c7fef4$82665b90$5a01a8c0@fileserver><012401c7fefd$206528f0$6601a8c0@corapurvine>
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Tommy, I have to pay .09 per each 8.5x11 color sheet, double for 11x17"  and
.012 for each 8.5x11 black & white, double for 11x17. 

I find that at about 500 sheets on the coated paper, 100# CS2, that the
machine seems to get hot and it starts to jam, but if I wait a few minutes
and leave the machine open to cool down, it starts running again for another
500 without a hitch. That is only when I am running the second side on 100#
CS2 full bleed. Does yours do this?


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

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Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:50 AM
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Cora....Ditto! I had same problems with my unit.? They actually replace just
about every piece inside the guts, before a technician decided on changing
feed rollers on bypass tray.? Oh wow!? It worked he said after how so much
$$$$ they spent.? Oh yeah, my click charges are up there to.? Like you my
click charges are?13? a?a piece,?is nothing to sneeze at, but?my customers
dont complain about my charges or quality.

Tommy Melendez

Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
3612 E. Tremont Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
NAQP Member #1031539
718.904.7760
718.892.2315 Fax
www.printing-n-graphics.com


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From: Cora Purvine <cpurvine1@cox.net>
To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'
<printowners@printweb.org>
Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 6:49 pm
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Running coated paper on digital color copiers



***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** For a small shop, I am very
happy with my Lanier. It is extremely dependable nd now that they have it
fixed so that I can do the heavy card stock like I as told I could when I
bought it, I've got no complaints at all. I have ever even calibrated it. It
does it automatically itself. The machine that  had before this used to
loose color, but this one never has, even when it ays it is low on toner.
I don't like the click charges, but have learned to charge accordingly. My
ustomers also like the vibrant colors. I've had more than one comment on
his.

lass Act Printing and Foil
ora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
801 W. Juno Ave.
ichita, KS 67215-1742
h/Fax: 316-522-0733
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rom: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ed Pierce
ent: Monday, September 24, 2007 4:48 PM
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ubject: RE: [PrintOwners] Running coated paper on digital color copiers
***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I do know Savin & Ricoh are
the same but I'm not sure about Lanier.
Ed Pierce
raphic Print & Communication
eridian MS
01-485-7088
d@graphicprintersinc.com

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ubject: Re: [PrintOwners] Running coated paper on digital color copiers
***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On 9/24/07, Cora Purvine
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 Not a problem on my Lanier.

ren't Savin and Lanier the same boxes?

-
ichael Vogel
ir Speedy Printing
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ilford, CT 06460
el 203-877-1231
ax 203-878-2679
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From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com  Tue Sep 25 14:15:16 2007
From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com)
Date: Tue Sep 25 14:16:26 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:  Help
Message-ID: <d3d.133cdce7.342aaa34@aol.com>

When you say a bit pain in the ( Y ) are you saying there is a lot of  jams?
 
Tommy Melendez
 
Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
3612 E. Tremont  Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
NAQP Member  #1031539
718.904.7760
718.892.2315 Fax
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From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com  Tue Sep 25 14:19:45 2007
From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com)
Date: Tue Sep 25 14:21:20 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Running coated paper on digital color copiers
Message-ID: <bfe.20c71fc3.342aab41@aol.com>

No I had feeding problems that sometimes it will move around ?" so when you  
would run second side they wouldn't line up properly.  Now I clean the  
rollers every so often.  I do have a problem trying to run blue.  I  get purple most 
of the times.  I don't know how to calibrate it.  If  anyone can help there 
would be nice.
 
Tommy Melendez
 
Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
3612 E. Tremont  Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
NAQP Member  #1031539
718.904.7760
718.892.2315 Fax
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From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Tue Sep 25 14:56:41 2007
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Tue Sep 25 14:56:14 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] large format mounting and laminating
In-Reply-To: <008301c7ff8d$ca2d3360$6601a8c0@corapurvine>
References: <8C9CD9E0185D3B0-BD4-194@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com>
	<029501c7ff8a$84bb36e0$6d01a8c0@KELLY>
	<008301c7ff8d$ca2d3360$6601a8c0@corapurvine>
Message-ID: <8B434E12-70AB-4049-8A4F-065A1A94453D@falconprintandcopy.com>

We just got a HP Z6100 in to test for a month.  We're either going to  
go with this, or the new Epson 9880 which comes out next month.  We  
need to set up some kind of mounting and laminating system, and cost  
aside, I really don't think we have room for a proper laminating and  
mounting machine.  I've heard mixed reviews, and know very little  
about, self-adhesive mounting, and cold laminating, that don't  
require any machines.  Has any one had any experience (positive or  
negative) with these?  Thanks in advance.


Regards,

Borzou



Borzou Azabdaftari
Falcon Print and Copy
1921 Gallows Road
Suite 150
Vienna, VA 22182
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134
borzou@falconprintandcopy.com



From scott at usacolor.com  Tue Sep 25 15:16:13 2007
From: scott at usacolor.com (scott)
Date: Tue Sep 25 15:17:34 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] large format mounting and laminating
In-Reply-To: <8B434E12-70AB-4049-8A4F-065A1A94453D@falconprintandcopy.com>
References: <8C9CD9E0185D3B0-BD4-194@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com>	<029501c7ff8a$84bb36e0$6d01a8c0@KELLY>	<008301c7ff8d$ca2d3360$6601a8c0@corapurvine>
	<8B434E12-70AB-4049-8A4F-065A1A94453D@falconprintandcopy.com>
Message-ID: <46F95E7D.7080600@usacolor.com>

the self adhesive works well for us, beats overspray. we pay about $7 
for a 32x40 board. Never had good luck with cold lamination. Hot 
laminate works ok if your pressures are set right. we run a hp5500

Scott Balsiger, 
President
USA Color Printing Inc.
www.usacolor.com
791 Manhomen Dr.
Bemidji, MN 56601
800-759-9126
218-759-9126
218-759-2883(fax)
218-556-5505(cell)



Borzou Azabdaftari wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> We just got a HP Z6100 in to test for a month.  We're either going to  
> go with this, or the new Epson 9880 which comes out next month.  We  
> need to set up some kind of mounting and laminating system, and cost  
> aside, I really don't think we have room for a proper laminating and  
> mounting machine.  I've heard mixed reviews, and know very little  
> about, self-adhesive mounting, and cold laminating, that don't  
> require any machines.  Has any one had any experience (positive or  
> negative) with these?  Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Borzou
>
>
>
> Borzou Azabdaftari
> Falcon Print and Copy
> 1921 Gallows Road
> Suite 150
> Vienna, VA 22182
> t.703.442.0124
> f.703.442.0134
> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com
>
>
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From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com  Tue Sep 25 15:38:39 2007
From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com)
Date: Tue Sep 25 15:39:43 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] large format mounting and laminating
Message-ID: <cbd.1c27ad3c.342abdbf@aol.com>

I have the same problem when it comes to laminating & Mounting.   What I 
found is that 95% of our work doesn't require lamination.  When we  do have to we 
drive to the nearest location & spend a whole not less than  having a unit of 
our.  Mounting we do in-house, we buy packages of foam  core & corrugrated 
plastic sheets.  There are easy to place against a  wall.  And we are at a need 
for space so we save there also.
 
Tommy Melendez
 
Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
3612 E. Tremont  Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
NAQP Member  #1031539
718.904.7760
718.892.2315 Fax
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From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com  Tue Sep 25 15:40:36 2007
From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com)
Date: Tue Sep 25 15:42:12 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] large format mounting and laminating
Message-ID: <cb3.1b4f66f3.342abe34@aol.com>

Scott I always wanted to try self adhesives.  Are they easy to  place.  Will 
the piece come off easy for slight adjustments?  And  where do you get your 
supplies?
 
Tommy Melendez
 
Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
3612 E. Tremont  Avenue
Bronx, N.Y. 10465
NAQP Member  #1031539
718.904.7760
718.892.2315 Fax
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From kellycrom at gmail.com  Tue Sep 25 15:45:11 2007
From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics)
Date: Tue Sep 25 15:45:16 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Meteor DP40 digital color WAS RE: Help
In-Reply-To: <cea.1b1a3465.342a8f0b@aol.com>
References: <cea.1b1a3465.342a8f0b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <031901c7ffac$96fed790$6d01a8c0@KELLY>

John,

Honestly, I only took a short look at the Meteor color machine. I was really
more interested in their UV coater. 
That said, the Meteor DP40 looks like it runs just under 40
8.5x11's/minute(17 12x18/minute), so it's no real speed demon. The fact that
it can run envelopes, plastic(PVC, polyester, vinyl), and up to 300gsm paper
stocks, could be a real plus vs. other toner based machines. It doesn't have
any kind of output tray, but rather they had it setup to drop the
output(from a very short conveyor) out to a portable electric jogging
table(I didn't really like that idea) I saw a demo machine they had running
at the show that was printing 4C envelopes with variable data - could be
good for smaller direct mail markets. It is driven by a Fiery RIP/Command
Workstation, so it is a familiar front end to most of us. From what I
overheard one of their reps giving a demo at the show, I think he said it
was priced around $140,000, and I didn't hear anything about service rates,
clicks, etc. 
The rep I was talking with at the show made it sound like MGI has a "strong"
base of customers in Europe(primarily France), and are just beginning(in the
last year or 2) to try and get in our market(U.S.). If you click on their
"customers" tab at their website www.mgi-usa.com, you see a list of European
companies, so they really don't seem to have a strong enough customer here
to want to throw out a name or two.



Kelly Crom
Applied Graphics Associates, Inc.

We've Moved!!!
2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250
Plymouth, MN  55441
New Phone:  (763)231-6970
kellycrom@gmail.com
www.applied-graphics.com 

 

> 
> Kelly,
>  
> I would be interested in a few more of YOUR observations on 
> this device.  
> Since the company is located here in Melbourne, and has in 
> fact been around on  
> the fringes for 10-15 years, I would be interested in more 
> details. I have  
> written the company but would also like input from you. God, 
> like so many in the  
> industry, I would like to discover a device that could replace the 
> traditional  offset presses that most of us still rely upon.
>  
> 
> John  Stewart
> Q. P. Consulting, Inc.
> Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ 
> (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)   
> 
> by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 
> 
> 2110 S. Dairy  Road
> West Melbourne, FL 32904
> 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166
> Cell:  321-794-6259
> _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 
> "Winners  analyze, losers rationalize."
> 
> 
In a message dated 9/25/2007 11:43:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
kellycrom@gmail.com writes:

I looked  at the Meteor at Graph Expo. It was a bit impressive in that it's
a toner  based color digital machine that can run pretty much anything  from
envelopes to plastic. I think the price tag was about $140,000 without  the
envelope feeder.
Have you considered something like a RISO, or one  of the other small
duplicators? I know that Ricoh has a similar machine(to  the riso) called
the Priport(they were touting being able to run 100  envelopes for $6.00 in
5 minutes), and I believe Standard also has the same  kind of machine.

Kelly Crom

From DanF at MMSNY.com  Tue Sep 25 16:04:16 2007
From: DanF at MMSNY.com (Dan Flatt)
Date: Tue Sep 25 16:02:04 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] large format mounting and laminating
Message-ID: <A496437572132B4F9CE0AD1D591E969DBC5490@corningserver1.mmsny.com>

Why don't you try the Colorspan 5400 series UV printer? It does rigid
and doll stock and doesn't need lamination.  We have the 9800 uvx and
love it.  Low cost to operate.

Dan Flatt
vp/ owner
Multi Media Services 
11136-40 River Road
Corning, NY  14830
main 607-936-3186
CELL 607-331-7217 PLEASE CALL MY CELL FIRST!
Fax 877-684-3043
www.mmsny.com
 
Isn't it time that you had a business printer printing for your
business?
 
Other contacts:
Rick Bartholomew    owner                     607-769-8111
David Jackson         manager                  607-331-5422
Dick Shelford           Sunset Operations  607-331-5775
Patty Carlson           Strategic accounts  607-331-5314
Suzie Bartholomew Strategic accounts  607-331-5314
Dave Satterly           IR operations          570-882-0485
Ralph Begeal            CSR                         607-331-5572
Steve Mullen           CSR                         607-936-3186
Margaret Puffer       CSR / mailing          607-936-3186
Rose Flatt                 Design                    607-331-1555
Emily Colletta           Design                    607-331-7068 
Judy Pruyne             Design                    607-331-5963
 
 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou
Azabdaftari
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:57 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] large format mounting and laminating


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

We just got a HP Z6100 in to test for a month.  We're either going to  
go with this, or the new Epson 9880 which comes out next month.  We  
need to set up some kind of mounting and laminating system, and cost  
aside, I really don't think we have room for a proper laminating and  
mounting machine.  I've heard mixed reviews, and know very little  
about, self-adhesive mounting, and cold laminating, that don't  
require any machines.  Has any one had any experience (positive or  
negative) with these?  Thanks in advance.


Regards,

Borzou



Borzou Azabdaftari
Falcon Print and Copy
1921 Gallows Road
Suite 150
Vienna, VA 22182
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134
borzou@falconprintandcopy.com



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From digitalgraphics at sbcglobal.net  Tue Sep 25 16:07:53 2007
From: digitalgraphics at sbcglobal.net (Chris Barton)
Date: Tue Sep 25 16:06:57 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] KM C6500 Owners Question
In-Reply-To: <20070925193945.651B3BC0782@rb.enter.net>
References: <20070925193945.651B3BC0782@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <002201c7ffaf$c2171200$6401a8c0@Chris>

 
So we've had the 6500 for a month now and our electric bill went up
$300.00....the tech told my staff to leave it on 24/7, that it goes into
sleep mode so don't shut it down, even on the weekends.....what are other
owners doing? Are you guys shutting it down at night and on weekends? Don?t
know how much of the increase in electricity usage is from when it's running
and from when it's sitting....but I need to try to lesson
it.......so....what are you guys doing?

Thanks

Chris Barton



Digital Color Graphics, Inc.
3209 W. Warner Avenue
Santa Ana, CA 92704

(714) 241-8443 

www.digitalcolorgraphics.com

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From scott at usacolor.com  Tue Sep 25 15:54:54 2007
From: scott at usacolor.com (scott)
Date: Tue Sep 25 16:10:02 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] large format mounting and laminating
In-Reply-To: <cb3.1b4f66f3.342abe34@aol.com>
References: <cb3.1b4f66f3.342abe34@aol.com>
Message-ID: <46F9678E.8060707@usacolor.com>

Just as easy as spray mounting, we get them from a company called 
mathison - from fargo nd

Scott Balsiger, 
President
USA Color Printing Inc.
www.usacolor.com
791 Manhomen Dr.
Bemidji, MN 56601
800-759-9126
218-759-9126
218-759-2883(fax)
218-556-5505(cell)



VillagePrinting1@aol.com wrote:

>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>Scott I always wanted to try self adhesives.  Are they easy to  place.  Will 
>the piece come off easy for slight adjustments?  And  where do you get your 
>supplies?
> 
>Tommy Melendez
> 
>Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.
>3612 E. Tremont  Avenue
>Bronx, N.Y. 10465
>NAQP Member  #1031539
>718.904.7760
>718.892.2315 Fax
>_www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) 
>
>
>
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>
From richard at weprintcary.com  Tue Sep 25 16:43:50 2007
From: richard at weprintcary.com (Richard Cobb)
Date: Tue Sep 25 16:45:07 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] KM C6500 Owners Question
In-Reply-To: <002201c7ffaf$c2171200$6401a8c0@Chris>
References: <20070925193945.651B3BC0782@rb.enter.net>
	<002201c7ffaf$c2171200$6401a8c0@Chris>
Message-ID: <46F97306.6070703@weprintcary.com>

We turn ours off at night by the top button only. That puts it into 
sleep. $300 extra? Heat wave? Global Warming?

Richard Cobb
Allegra Print & Imaging
1155 Kildaire Farm Road
Cary, NC  27511
919-468-3334
fax 919-468-3880

The Future of Printing is Here

Helping Businesses Find Ways to Enhance the VALUE of Their
Print Communications!

Chris Barton wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
>  
> So we've had the 6500 for a month now and our electric bill went up
> $300.00....the tech told my staff to leave it on 24/7, that it goes into
> sleep mode so don't shut it down, even on the weekends.....what are other
> owners doing? Are you guys shutting it down at night and on weekends? Don?t
> know how much of the increase in electricity usage is from when it's running
> and from when it's sitting....but I need to try to lesson
> it.......so....what are you guys doing?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Chris Barton
> 
> 
> 
> Digital Color Graphics, Inc.
> 3209 W. Warner Avenue
> Santa Ana, CA 92704
> 
> (714) 241-8443 
> 
> www.digitalcolorgraphics.com
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From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Tue Sep 25 16:53:20 2007
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Tue Sep 25 16:53:11 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] large format mounting and laminating
In-Reply-To: <46F95E7D.7080600@usacolor.com>
References: <8C9CD9E0185D3B0-BD4-194@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com>	<029501c7ff8a$84bb36e0$6d01a8c0@KELLY>	<008301c7ff8d$ca2d3360$6601a8c0@corapurvine>
	<8B434E12-70AB-4049-8A4F-065A1A94453D@falconprintandcopy.com>
	<46F95E7D.7080600@usacolor.com>
Message-ID: <B21FCF3E-DA59-4FDE-A248-393CCA446A1F@falconprintandcopy.com>

You have no idea how happy this is making me.  Scott, how are you  
currently doing your hot laminating?

Regards,

Borzou


-------------- next part --------------

www.falconprintandcopy.com
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134


On Sep 25, 2007, at 3:16 PM, scott wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> the self adhesive works well for us, beats overspray. we pay about  
> $7 for a 32x40 board. Never had good luck with cold lamination. Hot  
> laminate works ok if your pressures are set right. we run a hp5500
>
> Scott Balsiger, President
> USA Color Printing Inc.
> www.usacolor.com
> 791 Manhomen Dr.
> Bemidji, MN 56601
> 800-759-9126
> 218-759-9126
> 218-759-2883(fax)
> 218-556-5505(cell)
>
>
>
> Borzou Azabdaftari wrote:
>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> We just got a HP Z6100 in to test for a month.  We're either going  
>> to  go with this, or the new Epson 9880 which comes out next  
>> month.  We  need to set up some kind of mounting and laminating  
>> system, and cost  aside, I really don't think we have room for a  
>> proper laminating and  mounting machine.  I've heard mixed  
>> reviews, and know very little  about, self-adhesive mounting, and  
>> cold laminating, that don't  require any machines.  Has any one  
>> had any experience (positive or  negative) with these?  Thanks in  
>> advance.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Borzou
>>
>>
>>
>> Borzou Azabdaftari
>> Falcon Print and Copy
>> 1921 Gallows Road
>> Suite 150
>> Vienna, VA 22182
>> t.703.442.0124
>> f.703.442.0134
>> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> PrintOwners Discussion List
>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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>>
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From scott at usacolor.com  Tue Sep 25 17:30:50 2007
From: scott at usacolor.com (scott)
Date: Tue Sep 25 17:32:07 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] large format mounting and laminating
In-Reply-To: <B21FCF3E-DA59-4FDE-A248-393CCA446A1F@falconprintandcopy.com>
References: <8C9CD9E0185D3B0-BD4-194@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com>	<029501c7ff8a$84bb36e0$6d01a8c0@KELLY>	<008301c7ff8d$ca2d3360$6601a8c0@corapurvine>	<8B434E12-70AB-4049-8A4F-065A1A94453D@falconprintandcopy.com>	<46F95E7D.7080600@usacolor.com>
	<B21FCF3E-DA59-4FDE-A248-393CCA446A1F@falconprintandcopy.com>
Message-ID: <46F97E0A.9070907@usacolor.com>

a laminator from USI. I think its a 42" model. we run 38" 3 mil thru it. 
if it needs to be thicker we either run it twice or change rolls

Scott Balsiger, 
President
USA Color Printing Inc.
www.usacolor.com
791 Manhomen Dr.
Bemidji, MN 56601
800-759-9126
218-759-9126
218-759-2883(fax)
218-556-5505(cell)



Borzou Azabdaftari wrote:

>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>  
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> You have no idea how happy this is making me.  Scott, how are you  
> currently doing your hot laminating?
>
> Regards,
>
> Borzou
>
>
>
> www.falconprintandcopy.com
> t.703.442.0124
> f.703.442.0134
>
>
> On Sep 25, 2007, at 3:16 PM, scott wrote:
>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> the self adhesive works well for us, beats overspray. we pay about  
>> $7 for a 32x40 board. Never had good luck with cold lamination. Hot  
>> laminate works ok if your pressures are set right. we run a hp5500
>>
>> Scott Balsiger, President
>> USA Color Printing Inc.
>> www.usacolor.com
>> 791 Manhomen Dr.
>> Bemidji, MN 56601
>> 800-759-9126
>> 218-759-9126
>> 218-759-2883(fax)
>> 218-556-5505(cell)
>>
>>
>>
>> Borzou Azabdaftari wrote:
>>
>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>>
>>> We just got a HP Z6100 in to test for a month.  We're either going  
>>> to  go with this, or the new Epson 9880 which comes out next  
>>> month.  We  need to set up some kind of mounting and laminating  
>>> system, and cost  aside, I really don't think we have room for a  
>>> proper laminating and  mounting machine.  I've heard mixed  reviews, 
>>> and know very little  about, self-adhesive mounting, and  cold 
>>> laminating, that don't  require any machines.  Has any one  had any 
>>> experience (positive or  negative) with these?  Thanks in  advance.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Borzou
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Borzou Azabdaftari
>>> Falcon Print and Copy
>>> 1921 Gallows Road
>>> Suite 150
>>> Vienna, VA 22182
>>> t.703.442.0124
>>> f.703.442.0134
>>> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> PrintOwners Discussion List
>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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>>
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From soneal at conestogadpi.com  Tue Sep 25 18:20:08 2007
From: soneal at conestogadpi.com (Shawn O'Neal)
Date: Tue Sep 25 18:22:04 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] large format mounting and laminating
In-Reply-To: <46F97E0A.9070907@usacolor.com>
Message-ID: <012201c7ffc2$3e226bd0$b506a8c0@CopierComputer>

We have the 42" usi laminator and spray mount posters off an HP inkjet. For
qty jobs we have a Raster Printers flatbed UV machine that will print right
to the foamcore, plastic,wood glass etc.

Shawn O'Neal - General Manager
Conestoga DPI
Digital Printing & Imaging
ph. 717.389.0350
fx. 717.306.4495
www.conestogadpi.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of scott
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:31 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] large format mounting and laminating

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

a laminator from USI. I think its a 42" model. we run 38" 3 mil thru it.
if it needs to be thicker we either run it twice or change rolls

Scott Balsiger,
President
USA Color Printing Inc.
www.usacolor.com
791 Manhomen Dr.
Bemidji, MN 56601
800-759-9126
218-759-9126
218-759-2883(fax)
218-556-5505(cell)



Borzou Azabdaftari wrote:

>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> You have no idea how happy this is making me.  Scott, how are you
> currently doing your hot laminating?
>
> Regards,
>
> Borzou
>
>
>
> www.falconprintandcopy.com
> t.703.442.0124
> f.703.442.0134
>
>
> On Sep 25, 2007, at 3:16 PM, scott wrote:
>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> the self adhesive works well for us, beats overspray. we pay about
>> $7 for a 32x40 board. Never had good luck with cold lamination. Hot
>> laminate works ok if your pressures are set right. we run a hp5500
>>
>> Scott Balsiger, President
>> USA Color Printing Inc.
>> www.usacolor.com
>> 791 Manhomen Dr.
>> Bemidji, MN 56601
>> 800-759-9126
>> 218-759-9126
>> 218-759-2883(fax)
>> 218-556-5505(cell)
>>
>>
>>
>> Borzou Azabdaftari wrote:
>>
>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>>
>>> We just got a HP Z6100 in to test for a month.  We're either going
>>> to  go with this, or the new Epson 9880 which comes out next
>>> month.  We  need to set up some kind of mounting and laminating
>>> system, and cost  aside, I really don't think we have room for a
>>> proper laminating and  mounting machine.  I've heard mixed  reviews,
>>> and know very little  about, self-adhesive mounting, and  cold
>>> laminating, that don't  require any machines.  Has any one  had any
>>> experience (positive or  negative) with these?  Thanks in  advance.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Borzou
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Borzou Azabdaftari
>>> Falcon Print and Copy
>>> 1921 Gallows Road
>>> Suite 150
>>> Vienna, VA 22182
>>> t.703.442.0124
>>> f.703.442.0134
>>> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> PrintOwners Discussion List
>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
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>>
>>
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From nt at andrewsblueprint.com  Tue Sep 25 19:36:10 2007
From: nt at andrewsblueprint.com (Nancy Thomsen)
Date: Tue Sep 25 19:36:52 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] KM C6500 Owners Question
In-Reply-To: <002201c7ffaf$c2171200$6401a8c0@Chris>
References: <20070925193945.651B3BC0782@rb.enter.net>
	<002201c7ffaf$c2171200$6401a8c0@Chris>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20070925163325.02b8a108@mail.andrewsblueprint.com>

Power save (button on screen pad) at night.  Everything off on the weekends.

I didn't notice a big change in power usage when ours went in.  I'll 
be taking a closer look at our bills.

Nancy


At 01:07 PM 9/25/2007, Chris Barton wrote:
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>
>So we've had the 6500 for a month now and our electric bill went up
>$300.00....the tech told my staff to leave it on 24/7, that it goes into
>sleep mode so don't shut it down, even on the weekends.....what are other
>owners doing? Are you guys shutting it down at night and on weekends? Don't
>know how much of the increase in electricity usage is from when it's running
>and from when it's sitting....but I need to try to lesson
>it.......so....what are you guys doing?
>
>Thanks
>
>Chris Barton
>
>
>
>Digital Color Graphics, Inc.
>3209 W. Warner Avenue
>Santa Ana, CA 92704
>
>(714) 241-8443
>
>www.digitalcolorgraphics.com
>
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Nancy Thomsen
Andrews Blueprint, Inc.
269 Griffin St.
Salinas, CA 93901
831-424-0331
Fax 831-424-7485 Fax
www.andrewsblueprint.com

From newtone at cox.net  Tue Sep 25 21:46:52 2007
From: newtone at cox.net (Newtone)
Date: Tue Sep 25 21:47:26 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] KM C6500 Owners Question
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20070925163325.02b8a108@mail.andrewsblueprint.com>
Message-ID: <PAEEKAPPEKDBCMMGINFIAEKCDOAA.newtone@cox.net>

We turn on the KM6500 at night and leave the Fiery on. Once a week or so, we
reboot the Fiery (It is just a WinXP box, Fiery even has access to the
windows updates etc.

BTW, we just got our first PM today at about 190,000 copies. I was amazed at
how contaminated the yellow toner unit was. Instead of yellow, it was yucky
brown. Just like ink contamination across a T-head on the press. Be careful
about calibrating. Last week we had a tech calibrate the Fiery with his
ES1000 densitometer. Suddenly our copies went very highly saturated. Even
after the PM, color was over saturated. Today's tech restored the default
color setting in Command Workstation4 and everything seems great. There
seems to be two calibrations, the KM6500 itself and the Fiery.

We love our machine. Here in San Diego, we are fortunate to be serviced by
one of the highest rated Konica Minolta centers, and our service techs are
great!

We do not do full color press work in house, and  so our click charges are
less than outsourcing to local 4-color trade shops on runs even up to 5000.

Bob Newton
Town & Country Printers, Inc.
Santee, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Nancy Thomsen
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 4:36 PM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only;
printowners@printweb.org
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] KM C6500 Owners Question


***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

Power save (button on screen pad) at night.  Everything off on the weekends.

I didn't notice a big change in power usage when ours went in.  I'll
be taking a closer look at our bills.

Nancy


At 01:07 PM 9/25/2007, Chris Barton wrote:
>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>
>So we've had the 6500 for a month now and our electric bill went up
>$300.00....the tech told my staff to leave it on 24/7, that it goes into
>sleep mode so don't shut it down, even on the weekends.....what are other
>owners doing? Are you guys shutting it down at night and on weekends? Don't
>know how much of the increase in electricity usage is from when it's
running
>and from when it's sitting....but I need to try to lesson
>it.......so....what are you guys doing?
>
>Thanks
>
>Chris Barton
>
>
>
>Digital Color Graphics, Inc.
>3209 W. Warner Avenue
>Santa Ana, CA 92704
>
>(714) 241-8443
>
>www.digitalcolorgraphics.com
>
>No virus found in this outgoing message.
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Nancy Thomsen
Andrews Blueprint, Inc.
269 Griffin St.
Salinas, CA 93901
831-424-0331
Fax 831-424-7485 Fax
www.andrewsblueprint.com

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From bgallagher at nbn.net  Wed Sep 26 08:34:07 2007
From: bgallagher at nbn.net (Bob Gallagher)
Date: Wed Sep 26 08:35:06 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] KM C6500 Owners Question
In-Reply-To: <002201c7ffaf$c2171200$6401a8c0@Chris>
Message-ID: <C31FC9FF.27D05%bgallagher@nbn.net>

On 9/25/07 4:07 PM, "Chris Barton" <digitalgraphics@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

....the tech told my staff to leave it on 24/7, that it goes into

We turn ours off every night and over the weekend. Our tech recommended
that. Occasionally someone forgets to do it, but we haven't noticed any
increase in the electric bill.

Check our new website

Bob Gallagher
Gallagher Printing, Inc.
601 W. Main Street
Palmyra, PA 17078
717-838-1527
1-888-838-1527
Fax 717-838-5715
<bob@gallagherprint.com>
http://www.gallagherprint.com

An Adobe Service Provider
A Microsoft Publisher Provider
Member, Adobe Solutions Network


From k_graham at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 26 10:05:24 2007
From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed Sep 26 10:07:32 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Copier life expectancy -Canon  Ir5000, IR6000
References: <C31FC9FF.27D05%bgallagher@nbn.net>
Message-ID: <BAY135-DAV1F4CDF0BAFAC1134EDB9EEBB00@phx.gbl>

If anyone has or had a Canon IR5000 or Canon IR6000 can you tell me what 
copy count you actually got out of it or what it is up to.

I got just over 2,000,000 on mine but was wondering if people had got 3, 4, 
5, or more million with or without drum replacement which I think is due at 
about 3 to 4 million when the copier has had adequate preventive maintenance 
service.

Thanks

Ken Graham


From goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com  Wed Sep 26 11:09:18 2007
From: goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com (Goodway Print and Copy)
Date: Wed Sep 26 11:12:24 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Copier life expectancy -Canon  Ir5000, IR6000
In-Reply-To: <BAY135-DAV1F4CDF0BAFAC1134EDB9EEBB00@phx.gbl>
References: <C31FC9FF.27D05%bgallagher@nbn.net>
	<BAY135-DAV1F4CDF0BAFAC1134EDB9EEBB00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <011e01c8004f$36108d90$660000c8@LeslieXP>

I have 4 million- they just did some kind of overhaul - works great-
Our 550 has over 5mil

Leslie McDonald
GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC.
15121 Ventura Blvd.
Sherman Oaks, CA 91403
Phone:(818) 783-5172
Fax:(818)783-8649
goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com
www.goodwayprintcopy.com
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of k_graham@hotmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:05 AM
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
Subject: [PrintOwners] Copier life expectancy -Canon Ir5000, IR6000

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

If anyone has or had a Canon IR5000 or Canon IR6000 can you tell me what 
copy count you actually got out of it or what it is up to.

I got just over 2,000,000 on mine but was wondering if people had got 3, 4, 
5, or more million with or without drum replacement which I think is due at 
about 3 to 4 million when the copier has had adequate preventive maintenance

service.

Thanks

Ken Graham


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From cpurvine1 at cox.net  Wed Sep 26 13:26:47 2007
From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine)
Date: Wed Sep 26 13:27:50 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] KM C6500 Owners Question
In-Reply-To: <C31FC9FF.27D05%bgallagher@nbn.net>
References: <002201c7ffaf$c2171200$6401a8c0@Chris>
	<C31FC9FF.27D05%bgallagher@nbn.net>
Message-ID: <00a601c80062$6ae385f0$6601a8c0@corapurvine>

I like your new website Bob. I am deciding whether I need one or not since I
am so small and if it would pay for itself.....:  ( 


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Gallagher
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:34 AM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] KM C6500 Owners Question

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

On 9/25/07 4:07 PM, "Chris Barton" <digitalgraphics@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

....the tech told my staff to leave it on 24/7, that it goes into

We turn ours off every night and over the weekend. Our tech recommended
that. Occasionally someone forgets to do it, but we haven't noticed any
increase in the electric bill.

Check our new website

Bob Gallagher
Gallagher Printing, Inc.
601 W. Main Street
Palmyra, PA 17078
717-838-1527
1-888-838-1527
Fax 717-838-5715
<bob@gallagherprint.com>
http://www.gallagherprint.com

An Adobe Service Provider
A Microsoft Publisher Provider
Member, Adobe Solutions Network


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From bgallagher at nbn.net  Wed Sep 26 15:07:03 2007
From: bgallagher at nbn.net (Bob Gallagher)
Date: Wed Sep 26 15:08:22 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] KM C6500 Owners Question
In-Reply-To: <00a601c80062$6ae385f0$6601a8c0@corapurvine>
Message-ID: <C3202617.27D5B%bgallagher@nbn.net>

On 9/26/07 1:26 PM, "Cora Purvine" <cpurvine1@cox.net> wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> I like your new website Bob. I am deciding whether I need one or not since I
> am so small and if it would pay for itself.....:  (
> 
Websites for printers. Mike Stephens. After a lot of checking, it came out
on top.

Check our new website

Bob Gallagher
Gallagher Printing, Inc.
601 W. Main Street
Palmyra, PA 17078
717-838-1527
1-888-838-1527
Fax 717-838-5715
<bob@gallagherprint.com>
http://www.gallagherprint.com

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From dvmonto at optonline.net  Wed Sep 26 15:45:52 2007
From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto)
Date: Wed Sep 26 15:47:00 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] International Mail Postage Question
Message-ID: <C3202F30.27C09%dvmonto@optonline.net>

I sent this question to the other "list" a few days ago and only got one
answer from Hal. I thought I would send it to the "mature" list as all the
other one is concerned about is discussing WWII!



We are doing a newsletter & mailing for a client. There are approximately
5000 pieces, finished size 8.5 x 11.

180 of them are international (All over, Korea, England, Japan, Germany,
etc.) and I have determined that the postage on each will be $2.70. The
question I have is, how do I affix postage to each international piece? Post
Office drones want to sell me individual stamps that will total $2.70. I do
not see us using 6 or 7 stamps to total this amount. Wisdom of this list
suggested we get rid of our meter last year so I cannot use a meter tape.

So how would you affix postage for these newsletters?

-- 
David V. Monto

Sir Speedy Printing
1837 South Road
Wappingers Falls, NY 12590

Phone:845-298-8898
Fax: 845-298-8537
email: dvmonto@optonline.net

www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls

Sir Speedy has added mailing services to our capabilities! Let's talk about
your next project....perhaps, we can save you some time and Money on your
next mailing.


From jgross at techiowa.com  Wed Sep 26 16:10:01 2007
From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross)
Date: Wed Sep 26 16:10:58 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] International Mail Postage Question
In-Reply-To: <C3202F30.27C09%dvmonto@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <000001c80079$3860f420$1e00000a@tech.local>

Lick 'em and stick 'em or find a friend with a meter.  I'll be your friend
if you buy me a beer and don't regale me with how wonderful business is!

John A. Gross
Technigraphics, Inc.
PO Box 1846
Iowa City, Iowa 52244
jgross@techiowa.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of David Monto
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:46 PM
To: Printowners
Subject: [PrintOwners] International Mail Postage Question

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I sent this question to the other "list" a few days ago and only got one
answer from Hal. I thought I would send it to the "mature" list as all the
other one is concerned about is discussing WWII!



We are doing a newsletter & mailing for a client. There are approximately
5000 pieces, finished size 8.5 x 11.

180 of them are international (All over, Korea, England, Japan, Germany,
etc.) and I have determined that the postage on each will be $2.70. The
question I have is, how do I affix postage to each international piece? Post
Office drones want to sell me individual stamps that will total $2.70. I do
not see us using 6 or 7 stamps to total this amount. Wisdom of this list
suggested we get rid of our meter last year so I cannot use a meter tape.

So how would you affix postage for these newsletters?

-- 
David V. Monto

Sir Speedy Printing
1837 South Road
Wappingers Falls, NY 12590

Phone:845-298-8898
Fax: 845-298-8537
email: dvmonto@optonline.net

www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls

Sir Speedy has added mailing services to our capabilities! Let's talk about
your next project....perhaps, we can save you some time and Money on your
next mailing.


_______________________________________________
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Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners




From sos at olympus.net  Wed Sep 26 16:19:19 2007
From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford)
Date: Wed Sep 26 16:19:31 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] International Mail Postage Question
References: <C3202F30.27C09%dvmonto@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <02ce01c8007a$85460db0$0300a8c0@DANIEL>

 I do
> not see us using 6 or 7 stamps to total this amount. Wisdom of this list
> suggested we get rid of our meter last year so I cannot use a meter tape.
>
> So how would you affix postage for these newsletters?
=======================

I'd run them through my meter.  If you don't have a meter, find someone who 
does and use it.  We have people come in to use ours on occasion.  We just 
charge them whatever postage they use and hope they appreciate it.

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860 


From si at ria.net  Wed Sep 26 16:18:31 2007
From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton)
Date: Wed Sep 26 16:22:51 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] International Mail Postage Question
In-Reply-To: <C3202F30.27C09%dvmonto@optonline.net>
References: <C3202F30.27C09%dvmonto@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <200709262021.l8QKLTU23024@plus50.host4u.net>

At 03:45 PM 9/26/2007, Dave Monto wrote:

>Post Office drones want to sell me individual stamps that will total 
>$2.70. I do
>not see us using 6 or 7 stamps to total this amount. Wisdom of this list
>suggested we get rid of our meter last year so I cannot use a meter tape.
>
>So how would you affix postage for these newsletters?

Maybe 3 of the 90c Hagatna Bay stamps currently on sale?

http://tinyurl.com/68m5/90c.htm

Doug


--
Doug Shelton
Superior Impressions, Inc.
Toledo, Ohio
mailto:si@ria.net  

From rstor at copycats.com  Wed Sep 26 16:24:21 2007
From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor)
Date: Wed Sep 26 16:26:47 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] International Mail Postage Question
In-Reply-To: <C3202F30.27C09%dvmonto@optonline.net>
References: <C3202F30.27C09%dvmonto@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <46FABFF5.6070204@copycats.com>

Click 'n ship from the post office

This may make sense:

https://sss-web.usps.com/cns/landing.do or 
http://www.usps.com/shipping/label.htm

Bob Stor
Copycats
New York, NY
212-557-2111 x20
www.copycats.com

David Monto wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I sent this question to the other "list" a few days ago and only got one
> answer from Hal. I thought I would send it to the "mature" list as all the
> other one is concerned about is discussing WWII!
>
>
>
> We are doing a newsletter & mailing for a client. There are approximately
> 5000 pieces, finished size 8.5 x 11.
>
> 180 of them are international (All over, Korea, England, Japan, Germany,
> etc.) and I have determined that the postage on each will be $2.70. The
> question I have is, how do I affix postage to each international piece? Post
> Office drones want to sell me individual stamps that will total $2.70. I do
> not see us using 6 or 7 stamps to total this amount. Wisdom of this list
> suggested we get rid of our meter last year so I cannot use a meter tape.
>
> So how would you affix postage for these newsletters?
>
>   
From bjohnson at nemont.net  Wed Sep 26 16:52:09 2007
From: bjohnson at nemont.net (bob johnson)
Date: Wed Sep 26 16:52:48 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Quark 7.3
Message-ID: <a06240806c320768dfc3d@[192.168.0.113]>

Why does it take so long for QuarkXpress 7.3 for the MAC take so long 
for it to save, just about 10 seconds for a simple job?
just curious.

Bob Johnson
BJ's Printing
From jgross at techiowa.com  Wed Sep 26 17:12:19 2007
From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross)
Date: Wed Sep 26 17:13:14 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: small format scanning
In-Reply-To: <02ce01c8007a$85460db0$0300a8c0@DANIEL>
Message-ID: <000001c80081$ecae82a0$1e00000a@tech.local>

What are some charging to scan to PDF 20,000 documents.  Of course there is
a hand charge for preparing the documents and any returning to the previous
state.  I would probably do this on copy machines in otherwise down time.

John A. Gross
Technigraphics, Inc.
PO Box 1846
Iowa City, Iowa 52244
jgross@techiowa.com



From andy at CedarBusinessCenter.com  Wed Sep 26 17:14:07 2007
From: andy at CedarBusinessCenter.com (Andy Flamm)
Date: Wed Sep 26 17:15:22 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] large format mounting and laminating
In-Reply-To: <8B434E12-70AB-4049-8A4F-065A1A94453D@falconprintandcopy.com>
References: <8C9CD9E0185D3B0-BD4-194@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com>
	<029501c7ff8a$84bb36e0$6d01a8c0@KELLY>
	<008301c7ff8d$ca2d3360$6601a8c0@corapurvine>
	<8B434E12-70AB-4049-8A4F-065A1A94453D@falconprintandcopy.com>
Message-ID: <e413ceeb0709261414l75f4a0far98db467786e46d94@mail.gmail.com>

We started out using spray mount and self-adhesive, but neither worked well
for us. Spray mount was messy and a health hazard, and self-adhesive was
tricky to position and our heavy coated posters did not adhere securely. We
finally bought a ProSeal 44" mounter/laminator which uses heat-activated
boards and laminating pouches. It works much better. It really helps to be
able to position the print and then run it through the machine rather than
having just one shot for positioning. We have a 5 x 7.5' table dedicated to
mounting/laminating. If our volume were higher we would look at a "real"
laminator to cut costs, but for us the ProSeal seems right. We buy supplies
from USIdealers.com. Good luck!

Andy Flamm

On 9/25/07, Borzou Azabdaftari <borzou@falconprintandcopy.com> wrote:
>
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> We just got a HP Z6100 in to test for a month.  We're either going to
> go with this, or the new Epson 9880 which comes out next month.  We
> need to set up some kind of mounting and laminating system, and cost
> aside, I really don't think we have room for a proper laminating and
> mounting machine.  I've heard mixed reviews, and know very little
> about, self-adhesive mounting, and cold laminating, that don't
> require any machines.  Has any one had any experience (positive or
> negative) with these?  Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Borzou
>
>
>
> Borzou Azabdaftari
> Falcon Print and Copy
> 1921 Gallows Road
> Suite 150
> Vienna, VA 22182
> t.703.442.0124
> f.703.442.0134
> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>


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Cedar Business Center--Printing, Mailing & More Since 1983
345 Cedar Street, Suite 256
Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101

651-293-3904 voice
651-293-3905 fax

andy@CedarBusinessCenter.com
www.CedarBusinessCenter.com
From dvmonto at optonline.net  Wed Sep 26 17:28:00 2007
From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto)
Date: Wed Sep 26 17:28:49 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] International Mail Postage Question
In-Reply-To: <46FABFF5.6070204@copycats.com>
Message-ID: <C3204720.27C38%dvmonto@optonline.net>

On 9/26/07 4:24 PM, "Robert Stor" <rstor@copycats.com> wrote:

> Click 'n ship from the post office
    
Not an option. We are not going to enter 180 addresses one at a time!

The mail is already addressed. Need a reasonable way to affix postage.


-- 
David V. Monto

Sir Speedy Printing
1837 South Road
Wappingers Falls, NY 12590

Phone:845-298-8898
Fax: 845-298-8537
email: dvmonto@optonline.net


I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed,
but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody
that stands right, stand with him while he is right, and part with him when
he goes wrong.
- -- Abraham Lincoln


From tufelkinder at gmail.com  Wed Sep 26 17:35:00 2007
From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt)
Date: Wed Sep 26 17:35:37 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] International Mail Postage Question
In-Reply-To: <C3204720.27C38%dvmonto@optonline.net>
References: <46FABFF5.6070204@copycats.com>
	<C3204720.27C38%dvmonto@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <84f70d5e0709261435n3aec2b7s9074464b92eaed74@mail.gmail.com>

Can you use a labeler to affix the stamps? That's
what we do on some mailing...


Walt


Mercersburg Printing
Mercersburg, PA
http://mercersburg.net
800-955-3902
tufelkinder@gmail.com

-~

    Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so.
                                     -- Bertrand Russell
From jim at visaliaidea.com  Wed Sep 26 19:42:24 2007
From: jim at visaliaidea.com (James Laber)
Date: Wed Sep 26 19:43:22 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: International Mail Postage Question
In-Reply-To: <20070926211315.B50D6BC44BF@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <025701c80096$e4303c80$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local>


The last time I was at the front counter of the post office they could
create and print postage strips for the required amount that were much like
meter tapes. Did they get rid of this service. It used to be the way they
put postage on all parcels.
Jim Laber
Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc
1921 E Main St
Visalia CA 93292
559-733-4149 X118
Fax: 559-636-3690
jim@visaliaidea.com
http://www.visaliaidea.com/

Message: 3
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:45:52 -0400
From: David Monto <dvmonto@optonline.net>
Subject: [PrintOwners] International Mail Postage Question
To: Printowners <printowners@printweb.org>
Message-ID: <C3202F30.27C09%dvmonto@optonline.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

I sent this question to the other "list" a few days ago and only got one
answer from Hal. I thought I would send it to the "mature" list as all the
other one is concerned about is discussing WWII!



We are doing a newsletter & mailing for a client. There are approximately
5000 pieces, finished size 8.5 x 11.

180 of them are international (All over, Korea, England, Japan, Germany,
etc.) and I have determined that the postage on each will be $2.70. The
question I have is, how do I affix postage to each international piece? Post
Office drones want to sell me individual stamps that will total $2.70. I do
not see us using 6 or 7 stamps to total this amount. Wisdom of this list
suggested we get rid of our meter last year so I cannot use a meter tape.

So how would you affix postage for these newsletters?

-- 
David V. Monto

Sir Speedy Printing
1837 South Road
Wappingers Falls, NY 12590

Phone:845-298-8898
Fax: 845-298-8537
email: dvmonto@optonline.net

www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls

Sir Speedy has added mailing services to our capabilities! Let's talk about
your next project....perhaps, we can save you some time and Money on your
next mailing.







From sgfinke at fuse.net  Wed Sep 26 21:33:49 2007
From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke)
Date: Wed Sep 26 21:23:28 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: International Mail Postage Question
In-Reply-To: <025701c80096$e4303c80$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local>
References: <025701c80096$e4303c80$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local>
Message-ID: <96162E4A-D823-48B6-91B2-A35F6A2495AE@fuse.net>

Last time I sent a package the P.O. lady put stamps on it. I was  
looking for the tape thing too. I asked if they had one and the lady  
said no, but I figured it was just the branch.

Of course, this is the same agency that didn't know when the postage- 
paid envelopes would be available after the rate hike, didn't have a  
way to order them, and didn't know how many they would get in when  
the envelopes did come in. Sigh.

I'll be heading back to WWII now...




Gail Finke
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc.	
8630 Winton Road
Cincinnati, OH 45231
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
(513) 522-2679
Fax 522-2692
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
info@brentwood-printing.com
www.brentwood-printing.com




On Sep 26, 2007, at 7:42 PM, James Laber wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>
> The last time I was at the front counter of the post office they could
> create and print postage strips for the required amount that were  
> much like
> meter tapes. Did they get rid of this service. It used to be the  
> way they
> put postage on all parcels.
> Jim Laber
> Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc
> 1921 E Main St
> Visalia CA 93292
> 559-733-4149 X118
> Fax: 559-636-3690
> jim@visaliaidea.com
> http://www.visaliaidea.com/
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:45:52 -0400
> From: David Monto <dvmonto@optonline.net>
> Subject: [PrintOwners] International Mail Postage Question
> To: Printowners <printowners@printweb.org>
> Message-ID: <C3202F30.27C09%dvmonto@optonline.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> I sent this question to the other "list" a few days ago and only  
> got one
> answer from Hal. I thought I would send it to the "mature" list as  
> all the
> other one is concerned about is discussing WWII!
>
>
>
> We are doing a newsletter & mailing for a client. There are  
> approximately
> 5000 pieces, finished size 8.5 x 11.
>
> 180 of them are international (All over, Korea, England, Japan,  
> Germany,
> etc.) and I have determined that the postage on each will be $2.70.  
> The
> question I have is, how do I affix postage to each international  
> piece? Post
> Office drones want to sell me individual stamps that will total  
> $2.70. I do
> not see us using 6 or 7 stamps to total this amount. Wisdom of this  
> list
> suggested we get rid of our meter last year so I cannot use a meter  
> tape.
>
> So how would you affix postage for these newsletters?
>
> -- 
> David V. Monto
>
> Sir Speedy Printing
> 1837 South Road
> Wappingers Falls, NY 12590
>
> Phone:845-298-8898
> Fax: 845-298-8537
> email: dvmonto@optonline.net
>
> www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls
>
> Sir Speedy has added mailing services to our capabilities! Let's  
> talk about
> your next project....perhaps, we can save you some time and Money  
> on your
> next mailing.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>

From zapit at zapcolor.com  Wed Sep 26 22:01:54 2007
From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez)
Date: Wed Sep 26 22:07:22 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Cardstock speed on Xerox 260? and how many copies
In-Reply-To: <20070926211315.B50D6BC44BF@rb.enter.net>
References: <20070926211315.B50D6BC44BF@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <D97FB733-ABAE-4FF2-89E7-8E05A6E30ED1@zapcolor.com>

Does anyone have the speed slowdown rates on the newer 260 when  
running 12x18 cardstock?

Also how many copies per month on the 240.250/260's?
>

Eugene Montanez
ZAP Printing & Graphics
127 Radio Rd
Corona, CA 92879
951-734-8181

Zapit@zapcolor.com




From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Thu Sep 27 08:44:13 2007
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Thu Sep 27 08:43:50 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Quark 7.3
In-Reply-To: <a06240806c320768dfc3d@[192.168.0.113]>
References: <a06240806c320768dfc3d@[192.168.0.113]>
Message-ID: <0DBBA93F-E3AF-4A51-AEE4-DB4A4B0FFD6D@falconprintandcopy.com>

Cause it sucks.  Honestly.  I'm trying to roll everything we have  
over to InDesign, and use a InDesign plug-ing called (simply) Q2ID,  
that allows InDesign to open any Quark file.  Even our Quark 7.0  
files, open faster in InDesign than they do in Quark.  I can double  
click the Quark file, wait as I go to InDesign, browse out to the  
location, and open that same file.  It will be open and converted to  
InDesign in less than half the time it takes Quark to open its own  
file.  Its ridiculous.

Borzou Azabdaftari
Falcon Print and Copy
1921 Gallows Road
Suite 150
Vienna, VA 22182
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134
borzou@falconprintandcopy.com



On Sep 26, 2007, at 4:52 PM, bob johnson wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Why does it take so long for QuarkXpress 7.3 for the MAC take so  
> long for it to save, just about 10 seconds for a simple job?
> just curious.
>
> Bob Johnson
> BJ's Printing
> _______________________________________________
> PrintOwners Discussion List
> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>
>

From digitalgraphics at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep 27 12:13:13 2007
From: digitalgraphics at sbcglobal.net (Chris Barton)
Date: Thu Sep 27 12:12:44 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 25, Issue 75
In-Reply-To: <20070926211315.ABA79BC44BE@rb.enter.net>
References: <20070926211315.ABA79BC44BE@rb.enter.net>
Message-ID: <003001c80121$4eaf02a0$6401a8c0@Chris>

Hey, would someone be kind enough to email me issue 75 (Digest Version) as
for some odd reason I only got the first couple of responses in it and the
next couple were directed to me and they weren?t "there" odd......


Thanks

Chris Barton
info@digitalcolorgraphics.com
 




Digital Color Graphics, Inc.
3209 W. Warner Avenue
Santa Ana, CA 92704

(714) 241-8443 

www.digitalcolorgraphics.com
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   2. Re: KM C6500 Owners Question (Bob Gallagher)
   3. International Mail Postage Question (David Monto)
   4. RE: International Mail Postage Question (John Gross)
   5. Re: International Mail Postage Question (Dan Huntingford)
   6. Re: International Mail Postage Question (Doug Shelton)
   7. Re: International Mail Postage Question (Robert Stor)
   8. Quark 7.3 (bob johnson)
   9. RE: small format scanning (John Gross)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:26:47 -0500
From: "Cora Purvine" <cpurvine1@cox.net>
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] KM C6500 Owners Question
To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'"
	<printowners@printweb.org>
Message-ID: <00a601c80062$6ae385f0$6601a8c0@corapurvine>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

I like your new website Bob. I am deciding whether I need one or not since I
am so small and if it would pay for itself.....:  ( 


Class Act Printing and Foil
Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners
5801 W. Juno Ave.
Wichita, KS 67215-1742
Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733
cpurvine1@cox.net
www.ClassActPrinting.biz

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Gallagher
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:34 AM
To: printowners@printweb.org
Subject: [PrintOwners] KM C6500 Owners Question

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On 9/25/07 4:07 PM, "Chris Barton" <digitalgraphics@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

....the tech told my staff to leave it on 24/7, that it goes into

We turn ours off every night and over the weekend. Our tech recommended
that. Occasionally someone forgets to do it, but we haven't noticed any
increase in the electric bill.

Check our new website

Bob Gallagher
Gallagher Printing, Inc.
601 W. Main Street
Palmyra, PA 17078
717-838-1527
1-888-838-1527
Fax 717-838-5715
<bob@gallagherprint.com>
http://www.gallagherprint.com

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:07:03 -0400
From: Bob Gallagher <bgallagher@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] KM C6500 Owners Question
To: "printowners@printweb.org" <printowners@printweb.org>
Message-ID: <C3202617.27D5B%bgallagher@nbn.net>
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On 9/26/07 1:26 PM, "Cora Purvine" <cpurvine1@cox.net> wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
> 
> I like your new website Bob. I am deciding whether I need one or not 
> since I am so small and if it would pay for itself.....:  (
> 
Websites for printers. Mike Stephens. After a lot of checking, it came out
on top.

Check our new website

Bob Gallagher
Gallagher Printing, Inc.
601 W. Main Street
Palmyra, PA 17078
717-838-1527
1-888-838-1527
Fax 717-838-5715
<bob@gallagherprint.com>
http://www.gallagherprint.com

An Adobe Service Provider
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:45:52 -0400
From: David Monto <dvmonto@optonline.net>
Subject: [PrintOwners] International Mail Postage Question
To: Printowners <printowners@printweb.org>
Message-ID: <C3202F30.27C09%dvmonto@optonline.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

I sent this question to the other "list" a few days ago and only got one
answer from Hal. I thought I would send it to the "mature" list as all the
other one is concerned about is discussing WWII!



We are doing a newsletter & mailing for a client. There are approximately
5000 pieces, finished size 8.5 x 11.

180 of them are international (All over, Korea, England, Japan, Germany,
etc.) and I have determined that the postage on each will be $2.70. The
question I have is, how do I affix postage to each international piece? Post
Office drones want to sell me individual stamps that will total $2.70. I do
not see us using 6 or 7 stamps to total this amount. Wisdom of this list
suggested we get rid of our meter last year so I cannot use a meter tape.

So how would you affix postage for these newsletters?

--
David V. Monto

Sir Speedy Printing
1837 South Road
Wappingers Falls, NY 12590

Phone:845-298-8898
Fax: 845-298-8537
email: dvmonto@optonline.net

www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls

Sir Speedy has added mailing services to our capabilities! Let's talk about
your next project....perhaps, we can save you some time and Money on your
next mailing.




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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:10:01 -0500
From: "John Gross" <jgross@techiowa.com>
Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] International Mail Postage Question
To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'"
	<printowners@printweb.org>
Message-ID: <000001c80079$3860f420$1e00000a@tech.local>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Lick 'em and stick 'em or find a friend with a meter.  I'll be your friend
if you buy me a beer and don't regale me with how wonderful business is!

John A. Gross
Technigraphics, Inc.
PO Box 1846
Iowa City, Iowa 52244
jgross@techiowa.com

-----Original Message-----
From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org
[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of David Monto
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:46 PM
To: Printowners
Subject: [PrintOwners] International Mail Postage Question

***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****

I sent this question to the other "list" a few days ago and only got one
answer from Hal. I thought I would send it to the "mature" list as all the
other one is concerned about is discussing WWII!



We are doing a newsletter & mailing for a client. There are approximately
5000 pieces, finished size 8.5 x 11.

180 of them are international (All over, Korea, England, Japan, Germany,
etc.) and I have determined that the postage on each will be $2.70. The
question I have is, how do I affix postage to each international piece? Post
Office drones want to sell me individual stamps that will total $2.70. I do
not see us using 6 or 7 stamps to total this amount. Wisdom of this list
suggested we get rid of our meter last year so I cannot use a meter tape.

So how would you affix postage for these newsletters?

--
David V. Monto

Sir Speedy Printing
1837 South Road
Wappingers Falls, NY 12590

Phone:845-298-8898
Fax: 845-298-8537
email: dvmonto@optonline.net

www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls

Sir Speedy has added mailing services to our capabilities! Let's talk about
your next project....perhaps, we can save you some time and Money on your
next mailing.


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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:19:19 -0700
From: "Dan Huntingford" <sos@olympus.net>
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] International Mail Postage Question
To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only"
	<printowners@printweb.org>
Message-ID: <02ce01c8007a$85460db0$0300a8c0@DANIEL>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

 I do
> not see us using 6 or 7 stamps to total this amount. Wisdom of this 
> list suggested we get rid of our meter last year so I cannot use a meter
tape.
>
> So how would you affix postage for these newsletters?
=======================

I'd run them through my meter.  If you don't have a meter, find someone who
does and use it.  We have people come in to use ours on occasion.  We just
charge them whatever postage they use and hope they appreciate it.

Dan Huntingford
SOS Printing
2319 Washington Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
sos@olympus.net
(360) 385-4194  Fax (360) 385-5860 




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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:18:31 -0400
From: Doug Shelton <si@ria.net>
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] International Mail Postage Question
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
	<printowners@printweb.org>
Message-ID: <200709262021.l8QKLTU23024@plus50.host4u.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

At 03:45 PM 9/26/2007, Dave Monto wrote:

>Post Office drones want to sell me individual stamps that will total 
>$2.70. I do not see us using 6 or 7 stamps to total this amount. Wisdom 
>of this list suggested we get rid of our meter last year so I cannot 
>use a meter tape.
>
>So how would you affix postage for these newsletters?

Maybe 3 of the 90c Hagatna Bay stamps currently on sale?

http://tinyurl.com/68m5/90c.htm

Doug


--
Doug Shelton
Superior Impressions, Inc.
Toledo, Ohio
mailto:si@ria.net  



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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:24:21 -0400
From: Robert Stor <rstor@copycats.com>
Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] International Mail Postage Question
To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only
	<printowners@printweb.org>
Message-ID: <46FABFF5.6070204@copycats.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Click 'n ship from the post office

This may make sense:

https://sss-web.usps.com/cns/landing.do or
http://www.usps.com/shipping/label.htm

Bob Stor
Copycats
New York, NY
212-557-2111 x20
www.copycats.com

David Monto wrote:
> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> I sent this question to the other "list" a few days ago and only got 
> one answer from Hal. I thought I would send it to the "mature" list as 
> all the other one is concerned about is discussing WWII!
>
>
>
> We are doing a newsletter & mailing for a client. There are 
> approximately 5000 pieces, finished size 8.5 x 11.
>
> 180 of them are international (All over, Korea, England, Japan, 
> Germany,
> etc.) and I have determined that the postage on each will be $2.70. 
> The question I have is, how do I affix postage to each international 
> piece? Post Office drones want to sell me individual stamps that will 
> total $2.70. I do not see us using 6 or 7 stamps to total this amount. 
> Wisdom of this list suggested we get rid of our meter last year so I
cannot use a meter tape.
>
> So how would you affix postage for these newsletters?
>
>   


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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:52:09 -0500
From: bob johnson <bjohnson@nemont.net>
Subject: [PrintOwners] Quark 7.3
To: printowners@printweb.org
Message-ID: <a06240806c320768dfc3d@[192.168.0.113]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

Why does it take so long for QuarkXpress 7.3 for the MAC take so long for it
to save, just about 10 seconds for a simple job?
just curious.

Bob Johnson
BJ's Printing


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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:12:19 -0500
From: "John Gross" <jgross@techiowa.com>
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: small format scanning
To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'"
	<printowners@printweb.org>
Message-ID: <000001c80081$ecae82a0$1e00000a@tech.local>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

What are some charging to scan to PDF 20,000 documents.  Of course there is
a hand charge for preparing the documents and any returning to the previous
state.  I would probably do this on copy machines in otherwise down time.

John A. Gross
Technigraphics, Inc.
PO Box 1846
Iowa City, Iowa 52244
jgross@techiowa.com





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From digitalgraphics at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep 27 12:14:43 2007
From: digitalgraphics at sbcglobal.net (Chris Barton)
Date: Thu Sep 27 12:14:16 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 25, Issue 75
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Message-ID: <003101c80121$8459df10$6401a8c0@Chris>

 Crap! I just sent the whole digest in my response......Doh! Sorry!


Chris




Digital Color Graphics, Inc.
3209 W. Warner Avenue
Santa Ana, CA 92704

(714) 241-8443 

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From prtquick at eos.net  Thu Sep 27 13:03:26 2007
From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke)
Date: Thu Sep 27 12:37:29 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Quark 7.3
In-Reply-To: <0DBBA93F-E3AF-4A51-AEE4-DB4A4B0FFD6D@falconprintandcopy.com>
References: <a06240806c320768dfc3d@[192.168.0.113]>
	<0DBBA93F-E3AF-4A51-AEE4-DB4A4B0FFD6D@falconprintandcopy.com>
Message-ID: <2752e5e00b3f1b62f2128122892dac6a@eos.net>

Does that plug-in come with ID2? ID3?

We have countless problems with the newer Quark printing to our rip.

I have two: an old version 6.5 that runs fine, the Quark 7 is a real 
time-eater for us.



Scott Finke
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On Sep 27, 2007, at 8:44 AM, Borzou Azabdaftari wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
> Cause it sucks.  Honestly.  I'm trying to roll everything we have over 
> to InDesign, and use a InDesign plug-ing called (simply) Q2ID, that 
> allows InDesign to open any Quark file.  Even our Quark 7.0 files, 
> open faster in InDesign than they do in Quark.  I can double click the 
> Quark file, wait as I go to InDesign, browse out to the location, and 
> open that same file.  It will be open and converted to InDesign in 
> less than half the time it takes Quark to open its own file.  Its 
> ridiculous.
>
> Borzou Azabdaftari
> Falcon Print and Copy
> 1921 Gallows Road
> Suite 150
> Vienna, VA 22182
> t.703.442.0124
> f.703.442.0134
> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com
>
>
>
> On Sep 26, 2007, at 4:52 PM, bob johnson wrote:
>
>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>> Why does it take so long for QuarkXpress 7.3 for the MAC take so long 
>> for it to save, just about 10 seconds for a simple job?
>> just curious.
>>
>> Bob Johnson
>> BJ's Printing
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org
>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners
>>
>>
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From swiftyprinting at mac.com  Thu Sep 27 12:51:31 2007
From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck)
Date: Thu Sep 27 12:53:03 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Quark 7.3
In-Reply-To: <2752e5e00b3f1b62f2128122892dac6a@eos.net>
References: <a06240806c320768dfc3d@[192.168.0.113]>
	<0DBBA93F-E3AF-4A51-AEE4-DB4A4B0FFD6D@falconprintandcopy.com>
	<2752e5e00b3f1b62f2128122892dac6a@eos.net>
Message-ID: <C36BE19A-8EB3-4FC5-A3DC-348E2A409264@mac.com>


On Sep 27, 2007, at 1:03 PM, Scott Finke wrote:

> Does that plug-in come with ID2? ID3?
>
> We have countless problems with the newer Quark printing to our rip.
>
> I have two: an old version 6.5 that runs fine, the Quark 7 is a  
> real time-eater for us.


Are we talking Intel Machines or Power PC machines?

Quark on our Intel is much quicker than our PowerPC.

Chuck Pappas
Arlington Swifty Printing
1386 Massachusetts Avenue
Arlington, MA 02476
781-646-8700
www.arlingtonswifty.com
From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com  Thu Sep 27 13:12:34 2007
From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari)
Date: Thu Sep 27 13:12:17 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Quark 7.3
In-Reply-To: <C36BE19A-8EB3-4FC5-A3DC-348E2A409264@mac.com>
References: <a06240806c320768dfc3d@[192.168.0.113]>
	<0DBBA93F-E3AF-4A51-AEE4-DB4A4B0FFD6D@falconprintandcopy.com>
	<2752e5e00b3f1b62f2128122892dac6a@eos.net>
	<C36BE19A-8EB3-4FC5-A3DC-348E2A409264@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F85AAAFF-289B-4328-BB20-C1AC401FD432@falconprintandcopy.com>

We run CS3 on an Intel machine.  I'm on Quark 7.0 though, the update  
keeps failing for some reason.

The Q2ID plug-in is good for CS2 or CS3, and has saved us SO much  
time.  The only problems in formatting are with text wrap, but those  
are easily fixed.  Here's the link if you're interested:

http://www.markzware.com/q2id/store_usa.php


Regards,

Borzou


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www.falconprintandcopy.com
t.703.442.0124
f.703.442.0134


On Sep 27, 2007, at 12:51 PM, Chuck wrote:

> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>
>
> On Sep 27, 2007, at 1:03 PM, Scott Finke wrote:
>
>> Does that plug-in come with ID2? ID3?
>>
>> We have countless problems with the newer Quark printing to our rip.
>>
>> I have two: an old version 6.5 that runs fine, the Quark 7 is a  
>> real time-eater for us.
>
>
> Are we talking Intel Machines or Power PC machines?
>
> Quark on our Intel is much quicker than our PowerPC.
>
> Chuck Pappas
> Arlington Swifty Printing
> 1386 Massachusetts Avenue
> Arlington, MA 02476
> 781-646-8700
> www.arlingtonswifty.com
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>

From smc at sorrentomesa.com  Thu Sep 27 14:30:58 2007
From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel)
Date: Thu Sep 27 14:34:13 2007
Subject: [PrintOwners] Quark 7.3
In-Reply-To: <F85AAAFF-289B-4328-BB20-C1AC401FD432@falconprintandcopy.co
 m>
References: <a06240806c320768dfc3d@[192.168.0.113]>
	<0DBBA93F-E3AF-4A51-AEE4-DB4A4B0FFD6D@falconprintandcopy.com>
	<2752e5e00b3f1b62f2128122892dac6a@eos.net>
	<C36BE19A-8EB3-4FC5-A3DC-348E2A409264@mac.com>
	<F85AAAFF-289B-4328-BB20-C1AC401FD432@falconprintandcopy.com>
Message-ID: <200709271833.l8RIXM3b079915@i2bnetworks.com>


If you're running 7.0 on a an Intel Mac you're running under 
emulation and that's why its a dog.

7.01 was the first version ported for the Intel Mac so I would see 
about why the update is not taking.

That would be a big issue for me.

S.





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>We run CS3 on an Intel machine.  I'm on Quark 7.0 though, the update
>keeps failing for some reason.
>
>The Q2ID plug-in is good for CS2 or CS3, and has saved us SO much
>time.  The only problems in formatting are with text wrap, but those
>are easily fixed.  Here's the link if you're interested:
>
>http://www.markzware.com/q2id/store_usa.php
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Borzou
>
>
>
>
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>
>On Sep 27, 2007, at 12:51 PM, Chuck wrote:
>
>>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****
>>
>>
>>On Sep 27, 2007, at 1:03 PM, Scott Finke wrote:
>>
>>>Does that plug-in come with ID2? ID3?
>>>
>>>We have countless problems with the newer Quark printing to our rip.
>>>
>>>I have two: an old version 6.5 that runs fine, the Quark 7 is a
>>>real time-eater for us.
>>
>>
>>Are we talking Intel Machines or Power PC machines?
>>
>>Quark on our Intel is much quicker than our PowerPC.
>>
>>Chuck Pappas
>>Arlington Swifty Printing
>>1386 Massachusetts Avenue
>>Arlington, MA 02476
>>781-646-8700
>>www.arlingtonswifty.com
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